The most beautiful black women

Wed Jun 13th 2007 by abagond

Here are the ten most beautiful black women in the world that I know of who are also famous enough to be in the Wikipedia. This is a work in progress. I am open to suggestions.

1. Vilayna Lasalle is an American swimsuit model and video vixen. Her face is perfect. She is part Brazilian and Creole. More.

2. Jill Marie Jones (1975- ) is an American actress. She starred in the television show “Girlfriends” and was once a cheerleader for the Dallas Cowboys. What lips! She is not beautiful in an ordinary way, but somehow I cannot take my eyes off her. More.

3. Sanaa Lathan (1971- ) is an American actress. She is probably best known as the heroine in “Alien vs. Predator” (2004). I saw her in “Disappearing Acts” (2000) and could not take my eyes off her. Looking at her is like eating ice cream on a hot summer day. More.

4. Heather Headley (1974- ) is a Broadway actress and singer from Trinidad. She starred in “Aida” and “The Lion King” on Broadway. More.

5. Gabrielle Union (1972- ) is an American film actress. Of all the women here she is easily the one I have mentioned most in this blog. More.

6. Naomi Campbell (1970- ) is a British supermodel from the 1990s. A great face and great legs. More.

7. Aissa Maiga (1975- ) is the highest-paid black actress in France. She is from Senegal. More.

8. Lela Rochon (1964- ) is an American film actress. She was in “Waiting to Exhale” (1995). You saw her dancing with Lionel Richie in “All Night Long” (1983). I could look at her forever. More.

9. Gloria Reuben (1964- ) is a Canadian actress who is best known for appearing on the television show “ER”, where she got Aids from her unfaithful husband. Her father is white, her mother Jamaican. She won Miss Black Ontario 1986. More.

10. Sade(1959- ) is a Nigerian-born singer from the 1980s. She has that otherworldly look, like a princess from a storybook. She is half white, but I am too much of an American to see her as white instead of black. The One Drop Rule, you know. More.

Honourable mentions (not in any order): Tamara Tunie, Gina Torres, Karyn White, Sharon Leal, Neferteri Shepherd, Alicia Keys, Brandy Norwood, Angela Bassett, YaYa Da Costa, Charmaine Sinclair, Ananda Lewis, Bria Myles, Kenya Moore, Jordin Sparks, Beverly Peele, Kerry Washington, Marsha Thomason, Estelle, Toni Braxton, Solange Knowles, Denise Nicholas, Lisa Bonet, Elise Neal, Adriana Bombom, Ildi Silva, Lizz Robbins, Angell Conwell, Toccara Jones, Reagan Gomez-Preston, Annie Ruddock, Nia Long and Latavia Roberson.

How I rank the general beauty of black women from different places:

Cameroon
Congo (either one)
France
West Africa (Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Senegal)
Britain
West Indies (Jamaica, Trinidad, Guyana)
America
Brazil
Colombia

I do not know enough about black women in other places, like Somalia or South Africa, to say.

See also:

The ten most beautiful women in the world – of any race
Other lists of beautiful black women:
- The most beautiful black Brazilian women – this is a new list; not yet sure which ones belong on this list too.
- The most beautiful black women models – just models, both fashion models and hip hop models
- The most beautiful black actresses
- The most beautiful Nigerian actresses
- The most beautiful black women
  - according to white people
  - according to black people
thick black women
video vixens
Black women are beautiful
- Vilayna Lasalle
- Jill Marie Jones
- Sanaa Lathan
- Heather Headley
- Gabrielle Union
- Naomi Campbell
- Tamara Tunie
- Angell Conwell
- YaYa Da Costa
- Lela Rochon
- Kenya Moore
- Liris Crosse – more beautiful than all of these women but she does not have an article in the Wikipedia.
- Dakore Egbuson – although famous in Nigeria, she too lacks a Wikipedia article.
- Annie Ruddock
- Gloria Reuben
race and beauty
- The most beautiful black women according to white people
One Drop Rule

Posted in beauty, black women, women | 505 Comments

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on Tue Sep 25th 2007 at 15:49:35 ftloveblog70

You really love your sistas! A very good thing.

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on Fri Sep 28th 2007 at 14:37:09 simo206

Great list and a great post! I dont know about Angell from Soul Plane though, I still have a bad taste in my mouth from that movie. One utterly beautiful black woman that you forgot to add is Angela Bassett, then again shes in a league of her own. 🙂

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on Sat Sep 29th 2007 at 12:28:47 abagond

Ah yes, Angela Bassett. Beautiful, yes, but I like Angell better, even if she does appear in terrible films. But thanks for reminding me. I will put Miss Bassett under Honourable Mentions.

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on Sat Sep 29th 2007 at 12:31:40 abagond

I am thinking of doing the ten most beautiful black actresses. I get a good deal of hits for that even though I do not yet have a page for it. I will be adding Angela Bassett there.

PS: I did do that posting on the ten most beautiful black actresses. The link is under “See also” above.

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on Mon Oct 15th 2007 at 09:54:05 loise

A woman in the most beautiful list who is also a refugee

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on Mon Oct 15th 2007 at 14:13:16 abagond

You are thinking of Alek Wek. Her family fled Sudan during the civil war. They went to London. Her father stayed behind to fight but was later killed.

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on Wed Oct 24th 2007 at 17:13:03 Blupanther

We have lots of beautiful women in Africa (not necessarily Cameroon….or Ethiopia) but you can check out some of our singers and models and actresses at Jamati online. http://www.jamationline.com

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on Thu Oct 25th 2007 at 12:11:16 abagond

Thanks for the link.

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on Sun Nov 4th 2007 at 02:17:20 ann

in american 1 DROP RULE means, i you have 1 DROP OF AFRICAN BLOOD YOU’RE BLACK.
you’re thinking about Brazil which is reverse from America. im only 1/4 black but i consider myself black even though i look Chinese and Italian with a nice tan.

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on Sun Nov 4th 2007 at 23:21:27 abagond

In America Sade is seen as black, because of the One Drop Rule, but in Brazil she would be seen as mixed.

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on Wed Dec 12th 2007 at 14:23:39 Daniel

My friend i thought there was no one on this world who loved the sistas as much as i did. After seeing your extensive list i still feel that way, but it’s nice to know i have some good competition 😛

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on Wed Dec 12th 2007 at 18:20:46 abagond

LOL

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on Wed Dec 12th 2007 at 21:50:15 Frank

That is so damn stupid! She Sadie is mixed! She is not black, she is not white, she is both!

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on Sat Dec 22nd 2007 at 00:25:16 Joy M.

I was so with you until I read, “All that is missing is hair that is naturally long.” Other than that, very nice.

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on Sat Dec 22nd 2007 at 00:51:00 abagond

Thanks. I do like long hair – I want to be honest – but I like black women better. They more than make up for their hair, even without a weave.

I expanded on that paragraph in the post “Black women are beautiful”.

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on Mon Dec 24th 2007 at 22:18:35 A. Marie

yeah, i agree w/ Joy M. I’m a black woman and I have naturally long hair.

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on Thu Dec 27th 2007 at 10:57:14 abagond

I see your point. Some black women do have naturally long hair, like Kenya Moore, but most do not as far as I know.

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on Tue Jan 1st 2008 at 13:50:00 lilkemet

Black women have such a unique Beauty. Since I kept my hair natural my afro hair has been growing really big. Also I have an African friend who has afro hair all the way down to her lower back i mean really long.

Jill Marie Jones was my favourite character in the television show Girlfriends but then she left.

PS: Happy new year

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on Wed Jan 2nd 2008 at 13:06:46 abagond

Happy New Year. I liked “Girlfriends” till Jill left.

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on Thu Jan 3rd 2008 at 22:03:32 Kevin

As a white male, I find black women to be the most beautiful. Women that should be considered for your most beautiful women list include Venus Williams, Thandie Newton, Rhianna and Iman. Also, some of the most beautiful women in the world live in Nigeria and Ghana.

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on Thu Jan 3rd 2008 at 23:10:12 abagond

Thanks for the suggestions.

Iman has a queenly sort of beauty, but it is too cold for my tastes.

Venus Williams, Thandie Newton and Rihanna are pretty at best, not beautiful, to me.

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on Fri Jan 4th 2008 at 02:38:54 Kevin

I forgot to mention Rachel Crawford. I think she is absolutely gorgeous. I fell in love with her the moment I first saw her on the tv series “Show Me Yours”.

http://www.flixster.com/actor/rachael-crawford

Thanks for this website. It is a great forum to show our affection and appreciation for black women, who rule my world.

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on Fri Jan 4th 2008 at 23:32:38 abagond

I did not know about Rachel Crawford. Thanks.

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on Sat Jan 5th 2008 at 19:21:32 Kevin

Rachel Crawford is at the top of my list. Other beautiful women not mentioned are Diahann Carroll, Lisa Bonet and Robin Givens. There are so many beautiful black women it is diffcult to list them all.

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on Sat Jan 5th 2008 at 20:25:26 abagond

It is hard to list them all. The three you just named are listed here in this blog:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/black-actresses/

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on Thu Jan 10th 2008 at 02:17:11 Nicolaus

Kevin Says:
Thu 3 Jan 2008 at 22:03:32
As a white male, I find black women to be the most beautiful. Women that should be considered for your most beautiful women list include Venus Williams, Thandie Newton, Rhianna and Iman. Also, some of the most beautiful women in the world live in Nigeria and Ghana.

**I second what Kevin said. Cameroon may have some beauties but they pale in comparison to Nigerian and Ghanian women. Pardon the pun…*LOL*

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on Sat Jan 12th 2008 at 23:06:44 Thula

Am I missing something?

I haven’t seen Toni Braxton in the list. I still think she could qualify as the most beautiful woman in the world.

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on Sat Jan 12th 2008 at 23:50:23 abagond

Sorry, my mistake. I had forgotten her. I added her as an Honourable Mention.

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on Tue Jan 29th 2008 at 09:24:30 Why?

Why don’t you include “Beyonce” in the list..??

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on Thu Jan 31st 2008 at 08:20:48 abagond

To me she is pretty but not beautiful. Nice to look at but I could not look at her on and on.

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on Mon Feb 18th 2008 at 03:15:57 Loving Brother

Why are all the “Beautiful Black Women”, light skinned sistas? Don’t get me wrong each and every one of the ladies in this anthology is a clear testament to the divine breath of the creator. However, there surely are other sun kissed, honey brown, sweet as fresh baked brownies (the kind your grandmother makes), dark and lovely ladies that could receive their well deserved and proper acknowledgment, with the same spirit in which this breathtaking compilation of all that is divine was assembled.

-Your loving Brother

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on Mon Feb 18th 2008 at 04:30:28 abagond

If you have a particular women in mind who I may have overlooked, then I am all ears.

I have nothing against dark-skinned women. My wife is darker than most of these women. But I am not going to add women just for the sake of some sort of politically correct balance. It is what it is.

I made a list like this of all women, not just black women. Half the women there are black. If I were to be politically correct, then only one or two of them could have been black. I would have hated that.

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on Mon Feb 18th 2008 at 10:47:57 excel

Top ten most beautiful sisters in the “WORLD”. Does this world include Africa? Jus le’a brother know, coz without taking anything away from “your most beautiful sisiters” who are all quite beautiful, i find it quite pathetic that all the “beautiful” women are from antwhere but Africa.

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on Mon Feb 18th 2008 at 12:12:19 kuda

also consider marsha thomason, and halle berry…and what is naomi doing on the list?

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on Mon Feb 18th 2008 at 14:28:08 abagond

No to Halle, but I did not know about Marsha Thomason. I will look into her. Thanks.

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on Mon Feb 18th 2008 at 14:39:55 abagond

I made this list and I agree: it is sad that there are no African women. From what little I have seen of them, they are generally better looking (to me) than women in Brazil, North America or even the West Indies.

The trouble is, most who are famous enough for a North American like me to know mainly come through the world of fashion – Iman, Oluchi, Alek and so on. Which means they have to be stick-thin and therefore unappealing (to me).

Next week I plan to do some digging on the Internet and come up with a list like this for Nigeria. Please send your suggestions! In time I want to do Cameroon too. Maybe that will help to bring some African women onto this list.

In the meantime, if you can think of any African women who are not thin as a rail or just plain beautiful anyway, please do tell me! I am all ears.

Here is my list of the most beautiful Nigerian actresses:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/the-most-beautiful-nigerian-actresses/

Not sure yet which ones belong on this list. Maybe Genevieve.

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on Tue Feb 19th 2008 at 02:29:53 Kevin

I suggest you consider Laila Ali for Honorable Mention. She is very beautiful.

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on Tue Feb 19th 2008 at 04:11:13 abagond

Marsha Thomason – yes as Honourable Mention
Laila Ali – no

Thanks for your suggestions.

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on Fri Mar 7th 2008 at 18:27:50 brooklyn

Salli Richardson Whitfield come on down!!! Damn her husband is lucky. Shorty been a dime piece since day one. I can’t believe yall looked past this fine ass hell sistah who been puttin it down since the beginning!!!Wake up please…

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on Thu Mar 13th 2008 at 07:36:45 Reagan

Kerry Washington is not on that list, How could that be?

Being an African American female, she is one of my beauty idols. Another of which is Jada Pinkett Smith.

Those are faces of women that I could look at all day long. Not to mention both of those women are smart, driven and confident black business women. With personalities that will knock you on your ass.

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on Thu Mar 13th 2008 at 10:26:59 abagond

You are right about Kerry Washington. I added her to Honourable Mentions.

I love Jada as an actress but to me she is not beautiful, not physically. On this list you get no points for inside beauty. That would be a very different list.

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on Sat Mar 29th 2008 at 02:38:31 caj

Most of these women are not that good looking. The one that are good looking still don’t compare to most attractive white women the world. Black women, in general, are not that attractive.

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on Sat Mar 29th 2008 at 12:18:13 abagond

There are some good-looking, even beautiful, white women, especially Latin and Middle Eastern women, but in general I think black women are better looking than white women:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/black-women-are-beautiful/

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on Sat Mar 29th 2008 at 16:43:21 caj

I guess we disagree on that one. But, that’s what opinions are for.

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on Wed Apr 2nd 2008 at 04:24:09 Stana

There is an actress or model on the bud commercial who took my breath away.

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on Thu Apr 3rd 2008 at 15:08:15 Harry

I am a bit perplexed about what most people would call black.especially white folks in the states.I am a multi racial man.I am half black and half white.I do not consider my self to be black and neither do i consider my self to be white.Sade and many other girls out there are not black.

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on Thu Apr 3rd 2008 at 16:43:56 abagond

In the States there is something called the One Drop Rule: if you look to be even part black African, then you are considered to be all black. So Sade, Halle Berry and Beyonce are seen as black, the same as Naomi Campbell. Tiger Woods calls himself Cablinasian, but to Americans he looks like a black man (even though only one of his grandparents was black).

I wrote a post about it here:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/one-drop-rule/

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on Fri Apr 4th 2008 at 02:33:39 caj

The term black, just like any other term, can be defined in many different ways. That being said, I have some questions for Harry:

1)The definition of black that I subscribe to is historical (i.e. anyone alive today that would have been considered black in the 1950’s in Mississippi, in my opinion, is black in this era as well). What definition of black do you subscribe to?

2)If I move into a neighborhood that, unbeknownst to me, is saturated with white supremacist, they would burn a cross in my front lawn. If you made the same mistake, would they only burn half of a cross in your front lawn?

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on Sun Apr 13th 2008 at 08:15:03 Akoyoko

Permets-moi de vous dire merci, Agabond. En tant que Camerounaise, je suis certainement fiere de lire le fait que vous trouver les Camerounaises jolies 🙂

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on Mon Apr 14th 2008 at 04:09:43 abagond

you’re welcome, although I notice the Nigerians do not agree with me!

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on Tue Apr 22nd 2008 at 16:49:57 Lisa

why do the Nigerians always have beef with Cameroonians …anyways, I am Cameroonian but I think SENEGALESE WOMEN ARE JUST VERY VERY BEAUTIFUL…I WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY PUT SENEGALESE WOMEN AS FIRST AND THEN, COMES KENYANS, CAMEROONIANS ,….AFRICA IS A LAND OF BEAUTIFUL BLACK WOMEN…….

But Senegalese women are just very strikingly beautiful

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on Tue Apr 22nd 2008 at 16:52:07 Lisa

Abagond,

make a list of “BEAUTIFUL AFRICAN WOMEN”

LET’S SEE WHAT THE REAL BLACK BEAUTY IS

AND MANY OF THESE WOMEN ON THE LIST, ARE NOT BLACK……

SADE IS DEFINITELY NOT BLACK

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on Tue Apr 22nd 2008 at 16:57:04 Lisa

AFRICAN WOMEN ARE MORE BEAUTIFULL THAN THIS

THIS LIST OUGHT TO HAVE MORE AFRICAN WOMEN IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT

“THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BLACK WOMEN”

YOU SHOULD HAVE RESEARCHED MORE AND SEE THAT THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BLACK WOMEN COME FROM AFRICA

I AM NOT SATISFIED WITH THIS LIST…PLEASE TRAVEL TO DIFFERENT PLACES OF AFRICA AND SEE HOW BEAUTIFUL AFRICAN WOMEN ARE

YOU CANNOT HAVE A LIST OF “MOST BEAUTIFUL BLACK WOMEN WITHOUT HAVING AFRICAN WOMEN…..

SOUTH AFRICAN WOMEN, NIGERIAN WOMEN, ANGOLAN WOMEN, CAMEROONIAN WOMEN, SENEGALESE WOMEN, SOMALIAN WOMEN ARE MORE BEAUTIFUL THAT ALL THESE WOMEN ON THE LIST

THE ONLY WOMEN THAT CAN COMPETE CAN BE JILL MARIE JONES APART FROM THAT AFRICAN WOMEN’S BEAUTY WILL SURPASS ALL OF THEM IN LESS THAT A SECOND.

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on Tue Apr 22nd 2008 at 16:59:03 Lisa

WHY DID YOU ADD FRANCE IN THERE? WTF ? MOST OF THE BLACK WOMEN IN FRANCE AND BRITAIN ARE EITHER AFRICANS OR CARRIBEANS …SO PLEASE DON’T DO THAT

I DON’T AGREE WITH YOUR LIST OF COUNTRY CLASSIFICATION….YOU JUST DON’T GET IT ABAGOND.

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on Tue Apr 22nd 2008 at 18:58:03 Lisa

You know what after reading your whole blog/site I think I would become a daily reader…but there are still some things I do not agree about the way you think>>> Lovely blog/site

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on Sun May 11th 2008 at 20:13:37 bomarchais

yes NIGERIAN AND GHANEAN WOMEN ARE PALE COMPARED TO CAMEROONIAN WOMEN,I ve not seen such beuty in women like i9n cameroon sorry for the wounded nigerians.

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on Wed May 21st 2008 at 21:10:27 Dr. Dee

You have a great list here, but I’d like to make a bit of a correction. Gloria Reuben’s father, you report, is “white,” which suggests he is of European descent. However, you referred to Ms. Reuben’s mother as “Jamaican,” which is not a racial identity. It is a national one. Many people who are from the U.S. assume all Jamaicans are “black” or of African descent. This isn’t true. There are “black,” “white,” “Asian,” and “Southeast Asian” Jamaicans. So, I assume that what you mean is that Ms. Reuben’s mother is a Jamaican “black” or a Jamaican of African descent.

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on Wed May 21st 2008 at 21:38:43 abagond

I stick to the facts I know. I know she is from Jamaica. Most likely she is black, given how Gloria Reuben looks, but maybe she is half-Chinese or something. The reader can make his own guesses.

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on Sat May 24th 2008 at 17:52:14 Peace

to Caj

You know I just don’t understand men like you who feel the continuous need to put Black women down. Here we have one of the few sites that praises the beauty of Black women, and like a moth to a flame, here comes a crab in the bucket to knock us down. I don’t know if you’re a black man who is suffering from mental slavery, and a weak mind that is obviously white washed, or what, but I find you to be a sad, sad character. There are so many beautiful women in all races, European features are just ONE standard of beauty-not the standard for everyone.

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on Sat May 24th 2008 at 18:14:58 Peace

abagond,

What about Vanity, Janet Jackson, Meagan Good, Latoya Luckett, Ashanti, Beverly Johnson, Garcelle Beauvais, and the old Chaka Khan (before the weight gain).

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on Mon May 26th 2008 at 01:07:43 abagond

I already thought of those except for Bevely Johnson. I will consider her. Thanks.

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on Mon May 26th 2008 at 01:35:54 abagond

In defense of Caj:

From what I can tell from his comments he is not a troll or someone who just came over here to cause trouble. He has been measured in his comments and, as far as I can remember, he has never called anyone names. Considering the abuse he has received, he has been a gentleman.

You may not agree with his opinions. I know I do not. But when I disagreed with him he did not get angry but, instead, helped me to understand where he was coming from. I have to respect that. I have learned quite a bit from him.

Yes, he likes white women better than black women. But so do most white men. He is merely being honest.

If he is black then his comments become strange, but I doubt that is the case.

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on Tue May 27th 2008 at 00:08:18 Malcolm B

I can see where Peace is coming from. If I didn’t like white women, I wouldn’t go on a website about good looking white women, just to throw stones at them.

Yes, there are a lot of brothers that for all sorts of reasons have turned away from our Black queens, but clearly their minds have been manipulated by different factors. I’ve heard all kinds of excuses. I love Black women. They are the most beautiful women to grace the earth. They stand by us better than any other race of females have stood by their mail counterparts, and I for one could never consider marrying a white woman or spending my hard earned money on one. I’m not prejudice, but with so many available sisters out there, why would there ever be a need to stray?

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on Wed May 28th 2008 at 11:42:38 abagond

Black women are beautiful and I would probably never marry a white woman either, but in my experience black women are hard to live with, so I can see why some black men go to white women.

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on Fri May 30th 2008 at 18:10:39 Blak Attak

Wow Agabond, I have to agree with you on the two lists thing.

I think it’s because it is more about stardom and celeb than actual beauty.

I mean, I’ve seen in my opinion many far more attractive black women randomly walking down a street than most of the women in the top 100 things.

I hate to sound shallow. I’m not.

This goes for other races as well.

Not quite sure why there aren’t as many dark skin chicks in the media.

I agree that the problem b/n black males and females seems more social.

A weird supporting stat is that even though black men are said to hop from woman 2 woman and date a lot of white women, over 92% continue to marry black.

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on Fri May 30th 2008 at 19:26:34 Malcolm B

Abagond,

Females period can be hell on earth to live with, but we don’t turn around and start sucking bone, so that excuse for brothers running to snow bunnies have never sat well with me. When white men have bad experiences with white women, most–in fact the vast majority, don’t start chasing sisters, so brothers going after white women cause black women are hard to live with is crazy to me. If there were nothing but black women, we would just find a woman that we can live with. Know what I’m saying?

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on Sat May 31st 2008 at 01:16:00 abagond

Yes. I see what you mean. Good point.

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on Tue Jun 10th 2008 at 22:04:28 angela

You put us West Indian gyals at #6?! We should be number one 😛

Theres a lot of women missing in your list that deserve to be there; not even mentioned in the ‘honorables…’

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on Tue Jun 10th 2008 at 23:16:00 abagond

I love West Indian women! Please give me any suggestions you have!

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on Tue Jun 17th 2008 at 03:41:15 mynameismyname

Most black men (92%) are married to black women.

Interracial marriage/dating with a black partner and non-black partner, while visible, are a small minority.

I already expressed the mistruths about the “one drop rule” on another blog posting. Naomi Campbell is actually mixed herself down the line (her father is said to have sizable amounts of Chinese ancestry), where did you come to the conclusion that she was simply “black” and Beyonce (who has two African American parents) is only “black” by the overstated “one drop rule”?

Anyway, nice list. And as far as color goes, I think the list has a nice balance. Don’t know what the other posters were talking about …can’t make everyone happy I guess.

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on Tue Jun 17th 2008 at 03:44:34 mynameismyname

What race is your wife, Abagond? And black women are harder to live with then white women? Says who? Half of the uniracial white marriages end in divorce. Domestic violence is also more prevelant in White America than Black America so you gotta explain that one. And are you black?

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on Wed Jun 18th 2008 at 05:57:40 abagond

Good point. From your comment it hits me that I have never been with a white woman, that my experience has mainly been with black women. So I will shut up from now on about black women being so hard to get along with. Hard compared to what? My humble apologies.

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on Wed Jun 18th 2008 at 06:03:02 abagond

mynameismyname:

I still have to disagree with you about the One Drop Rule. Naomi is mostly black and would be seen as black anywhere in the world. What sets America apart from most of the world is that you are either black or white – there is no “mixed” in between. So the black “race” has people who are 85% white or more.

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on Wed Jun 18th 2008 at 06:04:14 abagond

You might be interested in the comments under my posting about the most beautiful black women in Brazil:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2007/09/10/the-most-beautiful-black-brazilian-women/

I applied the one-drop English meaning of “black” to Brazil and some commenters have become very upset!! Check it out.

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on Wed Jun 18th 2008 at 16:03:29 mynameismyname

How do you know that Naomi is mostly black? And Beyonce isn’t? It seems like you’re making an assumption based on your perception of skin tone and appearance. Have you watched African American Lives 2 on PBS?

Tom Joyner, the radio host, is a fair skinned black man with gray eyes. His genetics results: 66% African. Mostly black, still. On the other hand you had Linda Johnson Rice, a brown skinned sister …40% European …more European than Tom Joyner.

Then, there’s the case with the Afro-Brazilian gymnast and the Afro-Brazilian musician on the Brazilian counterpart of the show …both of these folks looked like they could’ve been pure African.

They actually were mostly European.

So, please don’t make assumptions on a persons’ ancestry by appearances alone. It’s very biased and very false.

LOOKS ARE DECEIVING. Nothing is rarely like it seems or looks.

Also, the one drop rule is the reason why WE’RE all seen as black. Not a mixture.

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on Thu Jun 19th 2008 at 11:15:23 abagond

I read about that study the BBC did on Afro-Brazilians. Skin colour is not a sure guide, as they showed.

You can be more than one-fourth black and still pass for white, but in most cases 10% is enough to make you “look black” in America.

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on Wed Jun 25th 2008 at 19:35:04 icekristella

As an African, I’m a bit dissapointed that you didn’t include more beauties from Africa.

In my eyes, Somalian, Ethiopian and Zambian women are breathtaking.

But thanks for highlighting black beauty.

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on Wed Jun 25th 2008 at 21:21:29 abagond

You and others who are saddened by my lack of Africans should suggest some! Here in America the only beautiful Africans we ever hear of are the ones who become supermodels, like Alek Wek.

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on Sun Jul 6th 2008 at 06:29:07 Olivia

Just wondering what black women have you seen who are British- except for Naomi of course?

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on Sun Jul 6th 2008 at 06:32:16 Olivia

And Sade?

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on Sun Jul 6th 2008 at 11:28:07 abagond

Olivia:

The black British women I know of: Naomi Campbell, Sade, Jourdan Dunn, Downtown Julie Brown (American MTV), Thandie Newton, Sophie Okonedo, Zadie Smith, Leona Lewis, Joan Armatrading, Shirley Bassey (sang the Goldfinger song), Mel of the Spice Girls, Des’ree (“You Gotta Be”), Skye Edwards of Morcheeba, Maxine Nightingale, Mica Paris, Princess (singer from the 1980s), Annie Ruddock of Amazulu, Corrine Bailey-Rae and Estelle (singer, just came to the States).

Mainly singers, as you can see.

I did not know Des’ree was British till I saw her in an interview and heard her accent. That is pretty common for singers. I thought Joan Armatrading and Maxine Nightingale were American too. I did not know that Shirley Bassey was black or British or Welsh until I looked her up in the Wikipedia for some reason.

So there are probably others I know of but I think they are American.

I thought Neneh Cherry was British, but she is from Sweden!

I thought Macy Gray was British because I first heard her on Virgin Radio from London, but she is American.

Of these I have written about Naomi, Annie Ruddock and Jourdan Dunn (you live in her part of London, I believe):

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/naomi-campbell/
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/annie-ruddock/
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/jourdan-dunn/

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on Sun Jul 20th 2008 at 02:27:11 Justwondering

I’m sorry. To the people complaining about women on the list who are not black. I have a news flash for you. Black = African ancestry. Therefore it is perfectly acceptable to call classify a woman like Sade as black, specifically if she self identities as such. You could call her white as well, since she is half white, but its fine to say black as well. Also consider that every black in the diaspora has european ancestry or asian or amerindian anscestry somewhere down the line. That doesn’t make them any less black. Black is not an insult or something to be ashamed of, and as a proud black woman I take extreme offense at any suggestion that there is something the matter with it.

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on Thu Jul 31st 2008 at 22:17:27 Oliver

I wish you had included, in your list, past or older beauties such as Diana Ross, Dorothy Dandridge, the black actress from “Laugh-in”, etc. Next list you might consider could be black beauties from the past.

Thanks.

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on Fri Aug 1st 2008 at 23:52:31 abagond

Good idea. I am adding it to my list of Suggestions.

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on Wed Aug 6th 2008 at 09:34:57 LOEY

they would look lovelyier if they were more natural…come on bring back the afros be proud of your true african heritage…btw I would add Tyra Banks to the list…

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on Wed Sep 10th 2008 at 11:45:11 pamela living in Spain

I am amazed at this website. I am white and have been looking for a beautiful black woman to paint, even finding a website has been difficult. my designs are mostly of pinups from the fifties, but there are very few black women in this catagory so I am having to improvise using modern women in fifties costumes. I’m so sorry there is so much prejudism, if only we could all see how beautiful all women are no matter what colour the world would so much better.

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on Thu Sep 11th 2008 at 11:12:20 abagond

Video vixens are the closest thing we have to pin-up girls these days. Some of them have even done the old pin-up poses:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/01/12/video-vixens/

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on Tue Sep 16th 2008 at 06:13:59 Harry

I can’t believe i couldn’t find Rihanna in any of the charts. Rihanna possesses a kind of a very enchanting exotic beauty unlike any other black women. I don’t care, make a new list…

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on Tue Sep 16th 2008 at 07:07:41 lala4dayz

Harry I think Rihanna is attractive,she represents crossover beauty that is exceptable to the white world at large. She has european eyes and features. so i don’t think of her beauty as “enchanting exotic”as u say its just more accepted by the whites. The list does not need to change it is fine the way it is. if you redo it its just going to be light skinned mixed raced women. What else is new???

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on Tue Sep 16th 2008 at 13:31:25 mynameismyname

I agree w/ Lala, I feel that Rihanna is just merely attractive BUT her features are not “European” at all. They are actually pretty stereotypically West African. And believe it or not, there are actually full-blooded Africans with light eyes!

What exactly are “European” features, if you will? And what are “African” features? Are there only one set? So, would you say that East Africans from the Horn (Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans) have “European” features and broad-nosed, thick-lipped Germans have “black” features?

And …(gasp), there’s actually full-blooded Native Africans that have a light-brown skin tone similar to Rihanna’s!!! And ..(gasp), there’s actually some, who…get this…are actually LIGHTER THAN HER! Can you believe it?!

Learn about African diversity before you criticize or compare.

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on Tue Sep 16th 2008 at 23:05:38 abagond

I did not put Rihanna on the lists because she is more pretty than beautiful to me, meaning that she is nice to look at but she is not someone I could look at forever. I think it is her eyes: they are too strange looking to me. Also, she is kind of on the thin side.

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on Wed Sep 17th 2008 at 03:40:00 mynameismyname

She’s just merely “cute” to me. Nothing special. But she’s the pop tart of the moment so that’s why some people asked where she was in your list. In a year or two, it’ll be someone else.

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on Fri Sep 19th 2008 at 14:05:52 latoya

well in my opinion rihanna is not that beutiful at all she has a wide ass nose if you ask me the only thing pretty about her is her eyes. by the way thanks for putting niomi cambell up there oh yeah and sanaa lathan and about rihanna complexion you guys are acting like thats something unique thiers tons of beutiful black women that carry that skin complexion everyday on the streets

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on Sat Sep 20th 2008 at 00:03:46 Lutheria

It’s so interesting to me what some men define as beautiful in a woman. Lol, Rhianna does have strange eyes

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on Thu Sep 25th 2008 at 18:01:41 latoya

yeah like i said thats the only thing to me thats pretty on her its not that she has distinctive looks from other black women becouse i know alot of black women on the streets that can add up or look better than these celebriities that we so call beautiful and why is there even a such thing as the most beautiful first of all we cant judge whos the most beautiful by these lists to me thier no such thing. thiers always someone whos more attractive than the other you cant just say oh this is the list that defines beauty and thats how i see it

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on Fri Sep 26th 2008 at 03:29:44 sita

I definitely agree that cameoonian women are the most beautiful in West Africa and also much more beautiful than nigerian.I have been chased by so many nigerian guys if u know what i mean?

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on Mon Sep 29th 2008 at 02:39:24 Ify

I like this list. But i have to correct you in something.
Sade lived in Britian and sang for Britian but she’s not from there.

She’s half Nigerian(was born and raised there).
People always assumed she’s british but she’s not. Her mother is british but her father is nigerian.

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on Mon Sep 29th 2008 at 02:45:36 abagond

Oh, you are right: her parents met in London but she was born in Nigeria and lived the first four years of her life there.

Thanks.

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on Sat Oct 4th 2008 at 19:25:42 HT

I’m sorry, but any list of beautiful Black women that doesn’t include Halle Berry – even in the honorable mention – is just plain silly.

Same for Shari Belafonte.

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on Sat Oct 4th 2008 at 22:37:20 mynameismyname

HT,

I think that’s part of Abagond’s purpose with these lists. He wants to acknowledge the beautiful black women with their natural variety of looks because he (and many others) are sick of the Halle Berrys being the so-called “beacon of black beauty”.

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on Sun Oct 5th 2008 at 21:50:35 latoya

exactly i agree with you

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on Sun Oct 5th 2008 at 21:55:22 abagond

HT: mynameismyname said it better than I could. The mainstream media seem to push Beyonce and Halle as some kind of black beauty when all they like in them is a white beauty. It does sicken me. They are both beautiful, but they are hardly the most beautiful black women out there.

I put Solange Knowles on the list of Honourable Mentions and not Beyonce in part because Solange has kept her black hair and I love black hair.

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on Mon Oct 6th 2008 at 18:35:49 Gary

Black women are the most beatiful exotic women in the world.

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on Mon Oct 6th 2008 at 22:54:07 abagond

Exotic is relative.

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on Thu Oct 23rd 2008 at 00:48:46 jennifer

where are halle berry and stacey dash? i am shocked. they are gorgeous at any age.

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on Thu Oct 23rd 2008 at 04:12:19 abagond

I think mynameismyname answered this in comment #100.

Dash and Berry are good-looking, but they are not the most beautiful.

Halle Berry, in particular, for some reason gets hyped far beyond either her beauty or her achievements as an actress. Angela Bassett is far better than her on both counts, but where is the hype for her? Kimberly Elise is a far better actress than Halle and Gabrielle Union is far more beautiful, but no paparazzi are stalking them. Why is that?

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on Thu Oct 23rd 2008 at 09:42:12 jennifer

paula patton?

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on Thu Oct 23rd 2008 at 09:44:28 jennifer

I do think that for some reason halle berry, beyonce and rihanna seem to be the most hyped up women of colour at the moment. But that is not say others aren’t beautiful. I Personally find stacey dash and paula patton more beautiful than halle berry. jessica white is another pretty black model.

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on Thu Oct 23rd 2008 at 12:40:19 mynameismyname

Aba,

Why do people compare Berry and Bassett? They’re two different people.

Bassett is an ctor’s actor who graduated from Yale. She’s a bit older than Berry, much more mature and elegant. Understated woman, very picky in her chosen roles (she turned down the role in “Monster’s Ball” that Berry eventually won an Oscar for) and is very private about her personal life.

Berry, on the other hand, is much more malleable. She’s younger than Bassett and can play the “sex kitten” position much more throughly. Her life story is far less stable than Bassett’s, as is her quality of work.

She’s “pop media” material while Bassett is much more, I don’t know, “high brow”? Comparing Berry and Bassett is like comparing Eric Jerome Dickey to James Baldwin, in my opinion.

Berry’s career is a clear demonstration of how racist both Hollywood and the pop media is. The mainstream media ignored her almost a decade after the release of her first film, post-Oscar she still struggles to find quality work and relative to the white female Hollywood “A-List”, she’s way behind in terms of success and media attention. She just gets lots of pop media attention relative to any other black actress, outside of the Latifah/Whoopi nexus, of course.

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on Thu Oct 23rd 2008 at 16:21:33 abagond

I compared Bassett to Berry because she is clearly better, in both talent and beauty, and yet does not get even half the attention that Berry gets.

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on Thu Oct 23rd 2008 at 16:28:48 abagond

Jessica White is great.

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on Thu Oct 23rd 2008 at 17:09:36 mynameismyname

I agree, Aba. That’s clear who the more beautiful and talented actress is, but still, comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges.

My post above explains why one gets more pop-media attention than the other. One is more willing to play the “game” while the other is more dignified. Yet, outside of the magazines/TV screen, they both fight the same fight.

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on Fri Oct 24th 2008 at 21:15:56 latoya

I DO AGREE WITH YOU GUYS ITS REALLY GETTING ANNOYING NOW HALLE BERRY IS PRETTY BUT SHES NOT ALL WHAT THE MEDIA MAKE HER OUT TO BE POINT BLANK PERIOD.

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on Mon Nov 10th 2008 at 06:18:46 Kike

Lutheria:

gotta ask you, what part exactly is interesting??

cause I’m interested on what things regarding this subject woman (like you) feel interest.

“Redundant” sry

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on Fri Nov 14th 2008 at 05:01:47 stephaniehatch

Hey sweets, wat bout megan good?

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on Sat Nov 15th 2008 at 05:39:59 abagond

Meagan Good is nice looking but I would not call her beautiful.

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on Mon Nov 24th 2008 at 05:36:58 lil'vina

the women on this board are beautiful and i agree with mynameismyname, beyonce and halle berry are pretty but not the most beautiful women in the world in my opinion and that’s hollywood keep pushing that because of their skin tone. i mean i think kelly rowland is prettier than beyonce any day. hollywood is racist when it comes to black women because they’ll show the light skin girl while the dark skin girl doesn’t get recognized and that’s a shame to me. rihanna is way prettier than beyonce too and to me she’s not thin. she does have meat on her bones. angela bassett is a better actress but doesn’t get the recognition like halle does. i think there should have been more black women that is dark skin on the list but hey that’s what i think because we are beautiful too but we’re not recognized for that. i just wish that we could see more shades of color in hollywood than the same thing.

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on Mon Nov 24th 2008 at 12:26:45 abagond

Dark-skinned women are beautiful! The world would be a poorer place without them.

Part of the reason the women on this list are as light as they are is because it is limited to black women who are famous enough to have an article in the Wikipedia. Hollywood, which favours light-skinned women, has the power to make you known to millions and therefore get you into the Wikipedia.

Some say I prefer light-skinned women. I do not see that, but I am bound to be affected by white ideas of beauty like everyone else – whether I like it or not.

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on Mon Nov 24th 2008 at 20:05:01 mynameismyname

I agree, Aba.

Thanks to the shameful legacy of colorism, it seems like it’s almost taboo to recognize the beauty of a black woman who’s considered “light skinned”. I don’t think people should reverse the colorist wrongs that have been committed in the past (and many argue, in the present, as well) and shun “light” women. It’s just that many people need to be careful not to elevate these women as the “standard”. ‘Cause they’re not. There should be no standard of beauty that one has to live up to. That’s not very realistic and unfair.

Now, Aba, when you say H-Town favors “light skinned women”, you mean white women, right? Of course, anyone can see that. But I disagree with that ‘preference’ with the black women. Look at the list of all the black women who’ve had, some, at the very least, some half-way success in the US film/TV industry, from lets say from the ’70s to now ….”light skinned” women are not predominate, neither were they more successful. Hell, if I can gather names of the black actresses who are most visible in Hollywood, the majority ain’t light.

The “light skinned black girl” angle seems to come more from the mainstream media, IMO. The magazines that are targeted to lilly white readerships. By putting ambigious looking non-white women, they can say they’re diverse without deviating from the narrow, white template of beauty that they sell.

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on Mon Nov 24th 2008 at 20:08:54 mynameismyname

Also Aba,

I’m surprised people have cricitized you for the list above. The women you selected are pretty diverse in looks. It’s interesting: anytime a discussion occurs (online, at least)about black female beauty or black women in the industry, the conversation always veers into skin color politics. Even if there’s a variety of shades being presented (like on the list above).

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on Tue Nov 25th 2008 at 00:48:57 abagond

Skin shade, body shape and hair seem to be the three hot points. On this blog I get the most heat for having stated what I prefer in body shape. I should have known better, but it is too late now.

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on Tue Nov 25th 2008 at 01:23:14 lil'vina

i was giving my opinion of what i saw on this blog. yes the women on this list are beautiful but when you see list like this it seems it always have light skinned women. i’m not hating on nobody but why can’t nobody see that dark skinned women as beautiful other than “oh she’s cute for a dark skinned girl”. i know you have your preferences and i understand that but no one should have to diss someone because that’s not your type and i think it’s wrong. as for rihanna, she’s not even that thin if you really look at her.

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on Tue Nov 25th 2008 at 02:28:14 mynameismyname

Aba,

I think skin shade, hair and body type tend to be the sensitive areas for a lot of people when it comes to discussions of black female beauty because our racist country has declared white skin, thin stringy hair and bone-thin to be the near-requirements to be beautiful. The vast majority of black women lack all three of these attributes. Hell, most white American women miss the bone-thin one.

Lil’vina,

You seem fairly young. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But because we live in a country that says that one’s race shapes how attractive and successful they are, racial hangups can transpire in discussions of beauty.

Any black person who tells a black woman that she’s “pretty for a dark skinned girl” is basically saying that “you’re pretty for a black girl”. They’ve brought in the false, noxious yet ubiqitious idea that black women are less attractive than their white counterparts. This mentality also drives (one of) the reasons why the whiter looking girls seem so desirable to them in the first place.

Aba’s list is fairly diverse. As is TVOne’s (a black cable network) similar list, which I listed under the comments section of another blog posting on this site.

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on Tue Nov 25th 2008 at 02:49:23 lil'vina

yes i am young but why can’t people appreciate dark skin women? not all of them are ugly and i wrote my opinion just like everybody else did. and what me being young have to do with anything? hollywood shows the same thing when it comes to beauty. beyonce and halle for example. they’re both pretty women but they’re not the most beautiful women out there, especially black women. they think they’re the ideal black beauty and you’re right, beauty is in the eye of the beholder but beauty comes in all shades, sizes, race, whatever you can think of. i just people can beauty in every shade instead of being just the same thing when you look on the t.v. and magazines.

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on Sun Nov 30th 2008 at 03:22:04 Lance Mannion

You should check this smokin hot black woman, Tania Archer. She has a great website you should check out

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on Sun Nov 30th 2008 at 03:23:49 Lance Mannion

Here is the link, to her site. http://www.taniaarcher.com

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on Thu Jan 1st 2009 at 18:41:36 CHERRI

where is Halle? Lauren London? Claudia Jordon? Where is…..so many others that totally knock these chicks out the box…not that they ain’t pretty…just need a longer list…and most of these would not be on top 10. Lela Rochon would be definitely…won’t comment on any others…I haven’t read all the comments..so if I have repeated someone else…we must be on the same vibe…

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on Sat Jan 3rd 2009 at 10:28:09 E Morris

Condeleeza Rice should be on the list. She is elegant, classy, and beautiful even if she is politically on the wrong side.

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on Sun Jan 4th 2009 at 06:29:04 abagond

Tania Archer – not in the Wikipedia, so I will not add her.

Condoleeza Rice – I do not regard her as beautiful, but my post on her gets far more hits than you would expect for a secretary of state. She gets more hits than Tyra, for example.

Halle, Lauren London, etc – all good-looking, of course, but to me, the maker of this list, not as beautiful as the women listed above. It might make sense, however, to double the size of the list to 20.

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on Wed Jan 7th 2009 at 16:13:04 Craig Knight

Check out Heather Sims. She played the wife of Jefferey Wright in a movie called Broken Flowers. Although she doesn’t possess the ‘traditional’ Hollywood beauty of a Halle Berry or Beyonce Knowles, she is still breath taking. I’m curious to see where she would fair on your list.

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on Wed Jan 7th 2009 at 17:01:25 abagond

Can you give me a link to her picture? She does not Google up well.

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on Wed Jan 7th 2009 at 22:34:23 MM

Heather Alicia Simms:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0799967/

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on Wed Jan 7th 2009 at 22:45:31 Ray Williams

Yes, black women are beautiful. We, as black men, must love and protect them. Today, our women feel unloved. That is why, I feel, there is such a big rift between black men and women in the development of black families. The father/daughter relationship is crucial. When black daughters are not cared for and nurtured by their fathers, they are being trained to distrust, dislike and discard black men as adults. A new film project, http://www.wherewasdaddy.com, discusses this all-important relationship.

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on Thu Jan 8th 2009 at 20:04:52 abagond

I agree with that. It affects the women in my own life.

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on Thu Jan 8th 2009 at 20:06:06 abagond

To me Heather Simms is good looking, but not beautiful. She would not make this list. Thanks for the suggestion, though. I did not know about her.

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on Fri Jan 9th 2009 at 18:05:22 everythingsblackthataintwhite

Ray #133. fathers have a role to play, but certainly no more than a mother. If a daughter grows up with a father that is worthless, then the mother has a major role to play as do the other male members of that family. It’s a strange thing to suggest that because a black father is a waste of space that his relationship with that child would be more likely to make the child chose to look outside of her race for a partner. would you ever suggest such a thing to a white person?
My belief is that if the mother has had a bad experience with that man, she needs to educate her daughter into understanding her own self worth, and what she should expect of a black man. not accept of a black man.
And if that mother has a son, the same should be stated to him also. problem i see at the moment is that a lot of black men (?) seem to think that because they can have children all over the place they should be rewarded with a pat on the back, hand them an oscar. but don’t ask them to provide!!

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on Wed Jan 14th 2009 at 11:49:54 Wenona

Hi everyone i have thouroughly enjoyed reading your opinons on this topic. hello abagond thanks for starting it.
First ? what is beauty? like some have said it is in the eyes of the beholder. All women take a small offence if a man may not find her attractive they start to question their physical atributes. Some men prefer oriental women some like indian women, it hurts most when a man from their own race finds another race more attractive.
It hurts black women most because we were always told we were an ugly race broad nose big lips big bottom.

HELLO Peeps what are alot of white women doing today. bum chek inplants tanning putting collegene in lips etc. canerows braids. All black attributes.

We are as a race quite insecure about our beauty as a whole. Yes I know that Peeps would say im not.

If beauty turned on its head white having more black looks and blacks having more white and the media, hollywood said this is the new beauty, this will still be an issue with black women.

As for peeps slaming lighter skinned women, are no better than those who think black is not beautiful. It translates as the lighter you are the less black you are. NEWS BULLENTINE: WE COME IN DIFFERENT SHADES OF BLACK FROM YELLOW TO RED TO NAVY BLUE TONES & ALL THE INBETWEENS.

Dorthy Dandridge & Lena horne both faced racial ignorance during their era and look how white skinned they are. Berry herself is still fighting it. Light skinned medium or dark the world will always see us as nothing but black.

And for the person who said that they prefer solange one reason is because her hair is real oh please. Wearing wigs or weaves dose not mean you are or want to be white. Many black women have afro wigs what are they then? My hair at the moment is natural but because i love changing the way i look i also have wigs and weaves as well as wearing my own hair out.
doesnt make me white or want to be.

I know u dont need me to defend u abagond but i will anyway.
bagond has listed women that we all might know or can look up. If i was to do the same list about white black or asian men i can only go by example. He can not put down who he does not know.
No one country island or state has better looking women than another.

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on Thu Jan 15th 2009 at 00:32:03 abagond

Wenona said:

Dorthy Dandridge & Lena horne both faced racial ignorance during their era and look how white skinned they are. Berry herself is still fighting it. Light skinned medium or dark the world will always see us as nothing but black.

Right: in the end there is only one shade of black.

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on Sun Jan 18th 2009 at 00:59:32 nahla

some suggestions:

Miriam Chemmoss

teiko dornor
http://www.bellasugar.com/gallery/525139?page=0,0,8

tiguida

fatou ndiaye

genevieve

majolie (miss senegal 2007)
http://www.hi5.com/friend/photos/displayUserAlbums.do?ownerId=202928849

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on Mon Jan 19th 2009 at 06:07:36 abagond

Great suggestions! Thanks.

I already knew about Genevieve – she tops my list of Nigerian actresses. And I just heart about Fatou Ndiaye from another commenter.

Teiko Dorner I did not know but I like her. Tiguida too.

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on Fri Jan 23rd 2009 at 15:20:36 Lance Mannion

Tania is a real woman, an accomplished woman making a difference. This make her very beautiful and she’s just dropped dead gorgeous. Wikipedia or not!!! Best in 2009

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on Mon Jan 26th 2009 at 14:45:28 oge

if i should say africans have very pretty female creatures,but the very beautiful ones are not loud.

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on Tue Jan 27th 2009 at 11:15:08 PAULA

Where are Tyra Banks and Eva Pigford?

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on Tue Jan 27th 2009 at 21:50:50 serendipity

Tyra Banks is too fake, in my opinion (and I’m a girl), for me to appreciate her beauty. If she stopped with the weaves a little, I think she’d look better. I think Eve Pigford is beautiful but i also find her really annoying.

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on Wed Jan 28th 2009 at 05:16:15 abagond

Eva and Tyra are both beautiful, of course, but they did not make this list of mine because their eyes make them look kind of strange.

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on Thu Jan 29th 2009 at 14:09:26 ricardo

Mozambique has beutifeul women too.

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on Thu Jan 29th 2009 at 14:51:32 simao

If they are so beutifeul like that, why some of them do need a wig and an overdose of make up?
For example: Naomi Campbell and Jill Marie

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on Thu Jan 29th 2009 at 22:01:02 mynameismyname

Easy answer, Simao:

They’re in the entertainment industry. A industry where wigs, weaves, extensions, falls, loads of makeup, and big budget stylists are the rule.

It’s a vanity industry, so all of the aforementioned accessories that I listed above are neccessary.

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on Fri Jan 30th 2009 at 10:53:46 simao

Any woman could be beutifeul wearing a good wig and good make up…

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on Mon Feb 2nd 2009 at 03:02:43 JamaicanGuy

Yendi phillips, Jamaican beauty queen and she is on wikipedia
Lisa Hannah -Another Jamaican Beauty queen

I like this blog BTW because i dont normally post stuff on the net

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on Mon Feb 2nd 2009 at 03:25:14 JamaicanGuy

Black Beauties in all form

Lisa Hannah- Jamaican Politican and Beauty Queen

Nadia Buari- African movie star

Marsha Thomason- Actress

Yendi Phillips- Former Miss Jamaica and TV host http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1065/1258933782_cd1e59988a.jpg?v=0 Definately check her out

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on Mon Feb 2nd 2009 at 23:46:09 abagond

Thanks!

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on Tue Feb 3rd 2009 at 05:50:16 abagond

ricardo: are there any Mozambican women you can recommend?

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on Thu Feb 5th 2009 at 05:41:07 Dale from Midland

Hello!?? Tyra Banks. Pam Grier, Eartha Kitt , Lena Horne, Phylicia Rashad, Beyonce’ Knowles, Tina Turner???? Who is running this? Halle Berry? Lisa Bonet?

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on Thu Feb 5th 2009 at 05:49:47 JamaicanGuy

Phylicia Rashad is beautiful fi real

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on Fri Feb 6th 2009 at 04:12:55 abagond

Dale: I am running this list. Most of those are beautiful women, but not as beautiful as these.

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on Fri Feb 6th 2009 at 05:00:37 mynameismyname

Aba,

Do you get tired of random commentators wondering where Halle Berry is on your list of beautiful famous black women?

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on Fri Feb 6th 2009 at 11:16:55 abagond

Yes, her and Beyonce. Halle is beautiful and Beyonce is good-looking, but they are not in the top ten!

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on Sun Feb 8th 2009 at 02:43:19 ddiamondd

how you possibly make a list and leave Halle Berry Off

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on Mon Feb 16th 2009 at 10:35:26 Ivan

Where are Alek Wek, Queen Latifah and Jennifer Hudson? How about Mo’Nique and Sherry Sheppard (of “The View”)? Not all “beautiful Black women” are thin, and even a super dark Black woman like Wek can be beautiful (skin, teeth, attitude!)

Where are Nia Long and Mellissa DeSosa. BTW, Meagan Goode IS Beautiful!

And people are going to kill me for saying this, but nobody has EVER seen Whoopi Goldberg glammed up. I saw her legs one time, and they’re beautiful. If she’s make herself up, Black men would look at her differently, I guarantee it. I can see the beauty in her face. Her voice is a turnoff, tho. Hell…they are ALL beautiful. Throitup 4 tha sistas!

On the flip, I am reading some really ignorant statements. #1, I see some chocolate on the list. G.U. is brown-skinned and Naomi is chocolate.

As for the people who say, “I’ve seen prettier women on the street”, these celebs were once on the street, too. They come from “regular” lives and families.

So, of course, they do not look any better or worse than anyone else. Celebs are just ordinary people with money and fame…that’s it. They pee, they fart, they get bad breath, they get B.O., they booboo, they lose shyt, they get high, they get drunk, they throw up. They’re just humans…not gods.

Most were not born rich or famous, and many grew up dirt poor. Most went to public schools. Most have been dumped by guys, many were beaten up or beat other girls up. Most are both liked and disliked by many. Some are liars, thieves or jezebells. They are human. And I love them all despite their flaws.

One last note, I love the people who intelligently bring up the fact that skin color and/or features do not tell someone’s ethnicity or genetic makeup. I am a milk-chocolate brotha who happens to wear a bald head.

When I tell people I have Indian Blood and Chinese in my background, some people look at me with skepticism, despite my extraordinarily skinny, pointed nose, slanty eyes, dark, thick eyebrows, and straight body hair. They look at me as if to say, “Oh, no…another one of these brothas with a light-skin complex…ashamed to be Black, trying to claim he’s ‘mixed'”, when I am telling the flat-out truth.

But, with my features, it shouldn’t even be that hard to tell, so I shoulod get the benefit of the doubt.

There’s no way to tell if someone is of mixed heritage or not, and we are mostly mixed. Whites keep us down by calling us Black. So, the next time someone white calls you Black, tell them you’re not, and be serious about it. Say it more than once and say it firmly. Watch the look on their faces…and then laugh.

I say all of this just to put it down for all of the dark Blindians and Blasians out there. And, another thing…Black women, quit calling light-skinned men “pretty boys”…they are no more or less “pretty” (i.e., beautiful)than any other Black men.

What if we called light-skinned women “the pretty girls”?..oh, I forgot…we sort of DO. We have to stop that.

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on Mon Feb 16th 2009 at 10:52:44 abagond

Jennifer Hudson is good-looking but not beautiful. Alek Wek is ugly!!! Sorry, but I do not see what people see in her. Nia Long should be in honourable mentions. That is my mistake. I never heard of Mellissa DeSosa.

You are right about not being able to tell a person’s background just by their looks. People who do DNA ancestry tests are surprised all the time by what they find. Obama says he is a mutt – but America itself is a mutt nation.

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on Mon Feb 16th 2009 at 17:22:35 mynameismyname

Ivan,

When you say “even like a super dark woman can be attractive”, it seems as if you’re implying that being “super dark” usually deters from your looks? Where does this attitude come from, with many people of color? I always thought extreme paleness could take away from someone’s beauty. Not extreme darkness. Why else is the tanning industry a billion dollar one?

Alek Wek isn’t for everyone, but I do think she is beautiful. People like her because, by Western standards, she’s “exotic”. Yet, she’s a typical Dinka in terms of looks. This ties in with a recent post by Aba.

I totally agree with Ivan: phenotype and genotype don’t always correlate, no matter what people lazily believe.

And YES, the majority of blacks who could be considered “light skinned” are NOT European/ambigious looking. It’s refreshing that someone can actually see that. I’m so tired of people correlating “light skin” on a black person with “long hair” or “white features” (which are??). Please. Most are negroid. Black people can produce the colors of the rainbow. Science has concluded that fact. So, being less dark, doesn’t make you “more mixed” or “less black” at all. At least, not most of the time.

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on Mon Feb 16th 2009 at 21:30:30 lil'vina

well abagond i for one think she’s beautiful. yeah she is super dark but so what? the only reason why people think she’s ugly because of her skin tone. a lot of people can’t accept a woman that’s dark skin. and i agree with mynameismyname, people need to get over thinking that light skinned people have european features which most don’t. i’ve seen many light skinned people with nappy hair, wide nose and big lips. my mom is light skinned and she has those features as well.

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on Mon Feb 16th 2009 at 21:56:17 RealityChecker

the only reason why people think she’s ugly because of her skin tone. a lot of people can’t accept a woman that’s dark skin.

Not so. I think she is way too tall and way to skinny.

Also as a dark-skinned black man, I am tired of having my sanity or racial self-worth and self-esteemed questioned anytime I don’t jizz myself at the site of every dark-skinned women. Someone always whining about “colorism”. Can’t we face the reality that some people are just plain ugly (in the eye of the beholder of course) regardless of skin tone.

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on Mon Feb 16th 2009 at 22:16:47 abagond

For me the main thing wrong with Alek Wek’s looks are her eyes. They are small and often squinty looking. Not the sort of eyes I could look at forever and fall in love with. Compare them to Sanaa Lathan’s.

Her very short hair and thin body do not help, but I have seen beautiful women just as thin and short-haired, so it is not that. And I have seen plenty of beautiful women with dark skin, so it is not that either. It is her eyes.

I think the reason she is so successful as a high fashion model is because, like Iman, she is thin and looks exotic.

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on Mon Feb 16th 2009 at 22:21:18 lil'vina

well reality checker, there are some people that would think she’s ugly whether it’s her skin tone or not. sadly, that’s how it is. and i think her figure is fine to me.

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on Mon Feb 16th 2009 at 23:05:22 JamaicanGuy

I just googled her pics…shes one ugly person regardless of skin tone…alek wek=ugly in any culture

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on Fri Feb 20th 2009 at 07:53:26 mynameismyname

Abagond,

What famous black women do you find are overrated in looks? And underrated?

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on Sat Feb 21st 2009 at 11:05:37 abagond

Overrated: Alek Wek, Beyonce, Halle Berry, Rihanna, Iman, Melyssa Ford, Esther Baxter, Tyra Banks, Angel Lola Luv, Meagan Good.

Underrated: Eve, Bre, Liris Crosse, Toccara Jones, Lizz Robbins, Angell Conwell, Brandy, Heather Headley, Gloria Reuben, Beverly Peele, Estelle, Tweet.

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on Sat Feb 21st 2009 at 16:20:52 mynameismyname

I actually think that Iman IS a beauty, although admittedly there are many other similar-looking Somali women who could blow her away, physically.

I actually like Angel and Meagan.

However, I don’t think that Estelle and Brandy are underrated in looks, because neither of them are lookers to begin with IMO. Brandy’s average to me (she does look better nowadays than she did in her hey day) and Estelle is just not good looking to me. I can say the same about Gloria Reuben, she’s nothing special to me too.

Overrated: Everyone on your list sans the women I pointed out; add Alicia Keys (big time), Vivica A. Fox, Buffie The Bodie, Jada Pinkett Smith, Chanel Iman, Mya.

Underrated: All your women you pointed out except the ones I pointed out; add Salli Richardson, Kenya Moore, Taral Hicks, Vanessa A. Williams, Alfre Woodard.

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on Sun Feb 22nd 2009 at 04:31:21 abagond

I like Vanessa A. Williams and Alfre Woodard too!

Kenya Moore – I almost put her in my list of underrateds – people tend to forget about her even though she is still beautiful – but then again she did win Miss USA.

Jada – I used to think she was overrated till I saw her in Alicia Keys’s “Superwoman”.

Mya – overrated in her own mind, at least.

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on Mon Feb 23rd 2009 at 02:20:11 mynameismyname

A friend of mine saw Alfre in person, when she was campaigning for Obama in North Carolina several months ago. He remarked that she’s even more beautiful in person.

Kenya Moore, alongside Angela Bassett and Salli Richardson, is easily the most stunningly beautiful woman in the industry. There’s a lot of them, of course, but something about those three is just so “special”, if that makes sense.

Kenya’s a goddess, in my eyes.

Jada’s far from ugly, but she’s nothing special, in my opinion. She always struck me as man-ish (like Alicia Keys), but that impression may have to do with what I actually know about her (and Keys).

Mya, like Jada, is from around my way. So, I was familiar with her and her family, before she became famous. She actually used to be a correspondant on BET’s “Teen Summit”. It’s funny, nobody ever looked at her as a sex symbol back then. LOL.

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on Mon Feb 23rd 2009 at 03:16:40 lil'vina

i think alicia keys is beautiful in my opinion. she just have a manish voice. i always thought that kenya moore was beautiful and still is. it’s sad that she doesn’t get the recognition like halle and beyonce, and she’s more attractive than both of them. meagan good, brandy(when she was younger), tyra, esther baxter, and bre from ANTM are beautiful in my opinion as well.

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on Mon Feb 23rd 2009 at 04:09:11 mynameismyname

In person, Alicia Keys doesn’t look like the pictures you are used to seeing.

She’s pale and pimply-faced in person without makeup. And extremely manly in both aura and mannerisms.

She’s very photogenic, she’s a natural fit for the camera.

But that’s about it.

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on Mon Feb 23rd 2009 at 04:35:02 lil'vina

i rather look at someone who doesn’t who any harm to their skin than for people that constantly tan and look nasty looking. i still think that alicia keys is beautiful and i’ve seen pictures of her without makeup. still looks fine to me.

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on Sat Feb 28th 2009 at 04:44:00 Tommy

There is no way to MEASURE AND RANK a listing of beauty. However….I must make this comment. Why is it that when we speak of the beauty of black women, we never name her as the most beautiful PERIOD! Have you ever seen a listing where people name the 10 most beautiful white women. No. Of course not. White has become synonymous with beauty. Never will you see People magazine,Cosmo or Vogue refer to a white woman as the most beautiful WHITE WOMAN. Nor do they call their magazines…..White Magazines….though we know they are. They simply say the MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMAN PERIOD which implies superiority. Their magazines are referred to as MAINSTREAM. As simple as this concept is…..it keeps them in power. We must change our thinking as a people.
FYI. To see people compare beauty is nothing less or more than ABSURD! You like what you like and we all know that behind every preference is often an abundance of issues of self perception and self hatred. To anyone who has the nerve to make a negative comment about someone’s features ….I am more than certain that the object of your insult couldn’t care less for I am sure that she see’s you as the typical average brainwashed backward and ignorant fool. Why insult something that someone else likes. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE IN THAT! Does it make you feel better about yourself. Does it validate something within you? WHAT IS THE PURPOSE IN THAT?
I will however add my list of some of the famous BEAUTIFUL WOMEN who’s beauty that I simply adore.

Iman(the personification of graceful beauty), Grace Jones(A Goddess of Beauty. Rare), Sade,
Whitney Houston(looks like an ancient African Queen of East Africa),
Naomi Campbell(LORD HAVE MERCY), Diana Ross(the most amazing eyes and lips), Waris, Mary J (has the face of a sculpture), Jody Watley, Katoucha, Women of Somalia and Senegal have jaw dropping beauty,
Alek Wek(looks like a Nubian Goddess.No shock here. She is from the region formerly known as Nubia. (present day Sudan. Her complexion is unreal.)and
Josephine Baker(Nefertiti reborn).

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on Sat Feb 28th 2009 at 04:55:16 Tommy

How does one refer to another human being that he or she does not know as Ugly? A word rooted in the worst of the worst. I have found that only “TRULY ugly” (the real kind of ugly) people do that. The irony is that these people who speak such filth go to church on Sundays, praise the lord and talk about being SAVED while jumping up and down the rows like a bunch of damned fools all the while insulting what is known to many as GODS WORK (ONE’S PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES) HMMMMMM.
Some of you should visit the graves of your ancestor’s slavemasters and/or colonizers and ask for your mind back!

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on Sun Mar 29th 2009 at 23:10:40 TS

Why do some people think that beautiful woman have to be a singer, in the movie, dancer and etc? There are many beautiful woman out there that just work a regular job. Only two of the woman posted can really be considered beautiful. Being beautiful is more than just the face and body. Whomever decided to do this website need to do further research about what beauty really is.

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on Mon Mar 30th 2009 at 05:50:24 JamaicanGuy

@ TS- wow that must be the simplest and best comment on here. well said TS. But to the defensive of Author of this thread and the fellow participants in it including myself, i think the reason why only famous people are mentioned in this thread (and every other thread as a matter of fact) is because they are we commonly known and it is easier for discussion/conversation sake. Sure there are many beautiful women out there doing regular jobs DUH!!! lol *smiles* but if we were to list every beautiful women out there on the streets then this discussion would be endless/pointless therefore we choose PUBLIC figures to talk about as a representation of such beauties

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on Mon Mar 30th 2009 at 11:19:07 abagond

JamaicanGuy got it right.

As I have pointed out elsewhere on this blog, you can walk down the street and see better women than you can see in Hollywood. I am not blind. This is particularly true of black women. But to make the list even doable I had to limit it somehow. As noted in the post it is limited to those who are famous enough to make the Wikipedia.

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on Sat Apr 4th 2009 at 01:54:33 derelict

“exotic is relative”… u said it

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on Mon Apr 6th 2009 at 06:27:57 cocoaneenee

Thanks for adding Heather Headley… I hate her voice, but her smile is absolutely killer. She’s definitely underrated.

BTW, what about Kelly Williams (she used to play Laura on Family Matters) and Kelly Rowland from Destiny’s child?

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on Mon Apr 6th 2009 at 06:43:56 cocoaneenee

I forgot Tia/Tamera Mowry… I used to think they were ugly back when they played on “Sister, Sister”, but now that they’ve grown up they look beautiful.

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on Mon Apr 6th 2009 at 14:16:18 La Reyna

Tommy wrote in his post:

“How does one refer to another human being that he or she does not know as Ugly? A word rooted in the worst of the worst. I have found that only “TRULY ugly” (the real kind of ugly) people do that. The irony is that these people who speak such filth go to church on Sundays, praise the lord and talk about being SAVED while jumping up and down the rows like a bunch of damned fools all the while insulting what is known to many as GODS WORK (ONE’S PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES) HMMMMMM.
Some of you should visit the graves of your ancestor’s slavemasters and/or colonizers and ask for your mind back!”

I COULDN’T AGREE LESS! AMERIKKKA HAS A STRANGE WAY OF DEFINING WHO’S BEAUTIFUL AND WHO’S NOT. OUR STANDARD OF BEAUTY IS BASED ON RACE AND CLASS. ANY PERSON DON’T CONFORMED TO THE ABOVE CRITERIA GETS DEMONIZED AND DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN ALL AREAS OF LIFE. FURTHERMORE, IT’S TO THE ADVANTAGE OF THE DOMININANT GROUP HELL-BENT UPON MAINTAINING THEIR POWER DESPITE THE FACT THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA OCCUPIES THE OVAL OFFICE AND THAT WE HAVE OUR FIRST LADY OF COLOR, MICHELLE OBAMA.

AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP.

LA REYNA

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on Sun Apr 12th 2009 at 19:47:56 Stop Worrying About what White People Think

What is the difference between your list and the “white list”?

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on Mon Apr 13th 2009 at 22:35:18 inclusiveman

mynameismyname Says:
“I feel that Rihanna is just merely attractive BUT her features are not “European” at all. They are actually pretty stereotypically West African.”

True. I think some people refer to coloring and features interchangeably, but they are totally different things.

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on Mon Apr 13th 2009 at 22:40:57 JamaicanGuy

if i may mention a deceased person….i think Aaliyah would/should be on here also Chilly from the group TLC

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on Tue Apr 14th 2009 at 01:47:36 Black&German

Aaliyah was gorgeous.

“True. I think some people refer to coloring and features interchangeably, but they are totally different things.”

Amen to that! I’ve had people ask me if I got my eyes from my white mother, since they’re green, but the shape is identical to my father’s mother and very African-looking. In fact, I look a lot like her (nose, hair, eyes, skin color etc.). I don’t look anything like my mother.

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on Tue Apr 14th 2009 at 19:39:20 A White Guy

lil’vina Says:
“i agree with mynameismyname, people need to get over thinking that light skinned people have european features which most don’t. i’ve seen many light skinned people with nappy hair, wide nose and big lips. my mom is light skinned and she has those features as well.”

Maybe we should discard the black and white labels altogether. They are colors and don’t really apply anyway.

People who are referred to as “Asian” today used to be called “yellow” many years ago. The “yellow” label has been practically eliminated, unless referring to light skinned people of African descent.

Twenty years ago, “African American” was seldom used, but today has gained acceptance. Besides, the term “light skinned black” always sounded contradictory to me. If you have a tan or brown car, you don’t describe it as a “light black car.” That does sound ridiculous, doesn’t it?

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on Wed Apr 15th 2009 at 23:29:34 abagond

When people say “light-skinned” it is shorthand for “light-skinned for a black person”.

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on Wed Apr 15th 2009 at 23:36:43 mynameisnyname

Right, it’s relative.

To elaborate on what AGW said, I always thought the term “dark skinned black” was contradictory. And redundant. Like saying “light skinned white”. LOL.

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on Wed Apr 15th 2009 at 23:52:41 A White Guy

Mynameisnyname, what do you think about the other points?

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on Thu Apr 16th 2009 at 00:12:25 mynameisnyname

I agree with everything you said, AGW.

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on Thu Apr 16th 2009 at 01:29:50 A White Guy

Mynameisnyname, I don’t take credit for it. You and Lil’vina made the points that color is practically irrelevant compared to features in regards to ethnic identification.

I was only expanding on your arguments and added a few observations about societal changes, such as the jargon. “Asian” has almost totally displaced “yellow” and “African” or “African American” is gradually displacing “black.”

All of this may be positive for these reasons:

· It may be nice to move beyond the color labels.

· White Americans are more likely to identify ethnically, not as white, but as Americans of (Italian, Irish, German, etc.) descent.

· There is no such place as “Blackland.”

· Why should people of African descent be lumped together under the “black” label when all the other groups have a geographical reference? Is that a vestige of inequality?

Abagond, what do you think of starting a thread “Should we discard the black and white labels?” I think there would a lot of feedback, which would be interesting.

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on Thu Apr 16th 2009 at 13:17:51 Black&German

“There is no such place as “Blackland.””

Had to giggle at that. The whole racial-identification-thing is very confusing. I, for example, have two passports and two birth certificates: a German one and an American one. I’m a native speaker in both languages. I was born in Germany and lived there most of my life.

So, when people ask me what I am, I used to say, “German and American”. Inevitably, they ask again, “No, I mean, what are you REALLY?” It’s such a strange question. My German/Czech ancestors where there since the time of the Romans and my American ones (African, English, and Cherokee) here since the colonial days or before. I don’t really consider myself African at all.
But, if people ask me what I am now, I just say what they REALLY want to know: “I’m black”. What they’re really asking is: why do you have a nose like that?

I had a South African white female friend in middle school and she hated the same question (she was asked due to her accent). She’d say, “South African” and they’d say, “No, where are you REALLY from?” *roll eyes*

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on Thu Apr 16th 2009 at 17:09:45 A White Guy

B&G, you get it! The black label is really meaningless. You are not African, as you said. You are partially of African descent with a mixture of other ethnic influences. Obviously, those who say to you “What are you really?” notice that and are curious. I don’t take credit for the “no such place as Blackland” point. I have a female friend from college who made that argument back in the days when the “African American” term was more controversial.

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on Thu Apr 16th 2009 at 18:02:33 mynameismyname

AWG,

How is B&G “not African”? LOL.

Of course, like most western blacks she has a mixture of ethnicities but they don’t discount one another.

If someone is French and Italian, are they not French? Or not Italian? No, they’re both.

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on Thu Apr 16th 2009 at 18:38:38 Black&German

I am of African descent. That is undeniable. That was not my point.

But is my husband Italian simply because the Romans once occupied his village and he has a Roman nose? Isn’t there a time-limit somewhere?
Is my daughter African? What about if she has children with a European? Will their children be African? Is this the one-drop rule in perpetuity? At what point will African-Americans have been in America for so long that they cease to have any connection to the African continent?

I pointed out to my husband a few weeks ago that our children are African-American and would be eligible for affirmative action. He nearly busted a spleen laughing. His comment: “They’re whiter than me!” (and it’s true)

They don’t discount one another, but I don’t like how my entire ethnic and cultural background (which is very diverse) is reduced down to “African”. Even of my two black grandparents, one is 1/4 Cherokee and the other had more English blood than African in her (and was even paler than I am).
I prefer “black” over “Afican-American”. On the one hand, it’s silly to name an ethnic group after a color. On the other hand, I think that black people in America have an ethnicity and culture that is not simply African but rather unique and complete in it’s own right. Perhaps we need to come up with a new label…

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on Thu Apr 16th 2009 at 18:41:28 A White Guy

Mynameismyname,
I understand what you are saying. B&G said “I don’t really consider myself African at all” but she also did acknowledge having African ancestry.

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on Thu Apr 16th 2009 at 19:05:42 A White Guy

What is ironic is that I used to hate the term ‘African American,’ but, over time, I accepted it and now prefer it to ‘black.’ Of course, ‘African American’ does not apply to non-Americans. Caribbean people of African descent are referred to as ‘Afro-Caribbean’ and that would be consistent. Also, given the historical baggage connected to ‘black’ (which replaced ‘negro’), I do think it is a more dignified term. If Americans of Italian descent can identify as ‘Italian American’, what is wrong with Americans of African descent identifying as ‘African American’ in all fairness?

I think this discussion should be in a separate thread, since it is off-topic here.

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on Thu Apr 16th 2009 at 19:29:30 Black&German

Perhaps it’s just passport-snobbery but I consider myself German-American because I have citizenship in both countries. My mother’s neighbor’s daughter is Senegalese-American for the same reason.

Being of Italian or African descent does not warrant hyphenation. They’re all just Americans to me. Isn’t being American ENOUGH? After all, a large portion of the planet would be quite happy to join the plain-old-American club.

Aaah! My kids are digging in my vegetable garden. Talk later!

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on Thu Apr 16th 2009 at 19:47:52 A White Guy

I actually agree with you. I was resisting the hyphenation of American identity and found it to be a losing battle. So given a choice between the hyphenations and the archaic color designations, I would prefer to abandon the archaic color designations.

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on Thu Apr 16th 2009 at 20:22:15 Black&German

Yes, the colors don’t make much sense anymore. Especially with all the intermarriage. But the hyphen-technique has its drawbacks, as well. Here’s how a recent post-party conversation with my husband went:

Me: Nice party, don’t you think?
Him: Yeah.
Me: Isn’t it nice that we weren’t the only mixed couple there?
Him: Huh?
Me: Didn’t you notice that X’s wife was Asian-American?
Him: No. How could you tell?
Me: Oh, her eyes were a bit slanty.
Him: Her eyes were a bit slanty. So she belongs to the slanty-eyed Asian-American group.
Me: Yes.
Him: How else is she different from her husband?
Me: (wracking my brains) Oh… I don’t know.
Him: You don’t know. So because she has slanty-eyes she’s somehow special. And we have something in common with that couple because my wife has slanty-eyes, too.
Me: Yes. But my eyes are African slanty-eyes. It’s something different. (getting frustrated) Oh, you wouldn’t understand! It’s an American thing.
Him: You’re right. I don’t understand. It’s an American thing. Let me get this straight: At that party we’re all Catholic, all live in the same town, listen to the same music, have the same friends, belong to the same socio-economic group, studied the same subjects in college, share hobbies, work in the same industry, all have children, and are all the same age. But I’m supposed to feel kindred with those particular people because his wife has slanty-eyes?
Me: Aaargh! Let’s change the subject.

I hate when he does that! Germans are so… damn… logical!

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on Thu Apr 16th 2009 at 20:33:15 A White Guy

I hope Agabond reads my message. This is an interesting topic that should be discussed on a separate thread, because it is too good a topic to get scrambled with “The most beautiful black woman” topic.

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on Fri Apr 17th 2009 at 07:15:23 abagond

Right, a good discussion but better to continue it here:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/african-american/

If that is not suitable, then suggest a better topic and I will do a post on it.

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on Wed Apr 29th 2009 at 00:40:05 Tru-Dru

Nice list, but it sucks without Raven-Symone on it. Make A New list with Raven, and Monique Coleman on it they are both Hot!

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on Wed Apr 29th 2009 at 03:16:46 abagond

Thanks for your suggestions. Unfortunately I do not think either woman is beautiful.

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on Sun May 3rd 2009 at 17:19:57 sana

this list is bullcrap!!
The most beautiful exotic women are in north africa(egypt,morrocco,tunisia,sudan,algeria,etc)
beautiful bodies, long dark hair,wide gorgeous eyes that sing to u, and mesmerizing full lips!
but i guess this list is for “ok” looking ppl

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on Mon May 4th 2009 at 06:13:45 abagond

This list is limited to just black women. You should go here:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/the-ten-most-beautiful-women-in-the-world/

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on Mon May 4th 2009 at 15:14:54 mark

simply put.. read your bible man was earthin color. So for there to never be a black woman they never found attractive i feal they are not being honest with themselves. we started dark and if time stood still long enough,we would probably end up all dark or at least darker.im white with a red head girlfriend and i see nothing wrong for someone dating a black woman if he wants.I have seen some damb fine black women. As ive got older and wiser ive let that go.what color? for anyone doughting that black and white people are a little closer related than you think,there is a new genetick test that deciphers the % of all races in your bood. guess what there is absoloutly no way to tell no difference between the races. we are all brothers and sisters down to the last percent!

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on Mon May 4th 2009 at 15:35:42 mark

If i had lived in a different part of the U.S. i could see myself with a black woman.In the north it is not so common.However i have been south and seen quite a bit of relationships that envolve white men black woman. i even got “hit” on by a beutifull black woman while i was down there. I just wish it were more common in the north where i live.Something more comeforting about seeing that happen…like there is a real change taking place. Ahhh it will happen.It is a matter of time.My favorite African country for home grown Queens is Nigeria.Athletic biulds.yet still curvy. whats sad is that there is so many blacks in the north in U.S.Realy know very little about ther history where they come from.The impressive things African people are respnsable for and some of the cool stuff they did as opressed slaves in this country to aqire there freedom. We have so much to learn,much to let go before we truly come together as a united people.be you black or white.

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on Fri May 15th 2009 at 08:09:19 Robert

Joy Bryant should be near the top of this list.

She would be #1 on my list.

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on Sat May 16th 2009 at 23:11:15 Robert

And how in the world can Halle Berry not be on this list. She is #2 on my list.

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on Sun May 17th 2009 at 08:45:52 abagond

Wow, I think I am going to have to put a disclaimer about Halle in the post. Halle Berry is beautiful, but she is hardly the most beautiful black woman out there. She is not even the sort of woman I could look at forever, the kind I have a hard time tearig my eyes off of. For some reason she is hyped far beyond what her talent or beauty would merit.

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on Sun May 17th 2009 at 17:50:17 mynameismyname

I agree with both Abagond and Lynette.

Kenya Moore is a goddess, in my eyes. I just peeped her in a new issue of some up-and-coming black entertainment magazine and she still has “it”. It’s a crime to look that good! LOL.

I love Gabby. And I used to love Ananda back in the day as well. Gabby’s spunk and Ananda’s intellect make them even more beautiful.

And for the record, Halle Berry can’t touch any of the aforementioned ladies!

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on Sun May 17th 2009 at 19:42:58 abagond

Robert: I agree with Mynameismyname and Lynette: Kenya Moore, Ananda Lewis and Gabrielle Union are all better looking than Halle Berry. And not just by a little bit either.

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on Fri May 22nd 2009 at 00:04:50 Robert

Kenya Moore, Ananda Lewis and Gabrielle Union all make my list.

But Joy Bryant is my #1 most beautiful woman. Forget the other adjectives – black, white, purple, whatever – Joy is my most beautiful woman – period.

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on Tue Jun 2nd 2009 at 10:34:31 Marie Brady

Women of African Descent hair grows very long when we leave it alone and let it do what it does naturally. I have seen many women with dreadlocks down to their behinds.

It is quite beautiful

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on Mon Jun 8th 2009 at 21:58:29 amask

Hi
I am from CAMEROON i think Stephani okereke is the best of all of them i love the way she talks the way she acts the way walks and the she looks she is amazing.

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on Tue Jun 9th 2009 at 07:03:18 Jamaica_Girl

In my opinion, there is a distinct difference between race and ethnicity/culture/heritage and nationality. Terminologies like Afro-Jamaican, Indio-Jamaican, African-American and Black don’t make sense to me when used interchangeably. You can be black and not be African-American. To me, black (or race in general) is how you self-identify and how other’s perceive you. But you can be black and have European (or other) heritage/ancestry. There is nothing wrong with being black, but there is also nothing wrong with accepting other portions of your ancestry. This is as long as you are equally proud of your African ancestry. I also don’t believe that there is anything the matter with showing interest in someone’s heritage/race/ethnicity/cultural mix by asking. Sometimes questions are asked innocently. I think those being questioned sometimes assume the worst of those asking. And at other times, those being asked are not as proud of their ancestry as they probably should be. And yes, there are times when those asking are doing so in order to assign stereotypes. But in general, I believe people are interested in knowing about someone’s interesting (and maybe exotic) physical features.

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on Mon Jun 15th 2009 at 02:02:25 allsound

how about the most beautiful african models

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on Sun Jun 21st 2009 at 03:33:59 moondog

Hi,
Nice list but where is Claudia Lennear? She was part of Joe Cocker’s Mad Dogs and Englishmen. She could sing background vocals in a bikini top. She blows these
TV women out of the water. She was the inspiration for the Stones song Brown Sugar.
Wake up!

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on Mon Jun 29th 2009 at 16:29:20 Tyrone

The Truth About African Beauty:

The reason why the beauty of blackwomen is such an explosive issue, is because, nobody wants to lay all of the facts on the table. Blackwomen have been told since their birth that whitewomen, latin women, middle-eastern women, east-indian women, asian women, and polynesian women are a notch above them, Really? What do all of the women I just listed have in common? All of them have african ancestry. Admitting the truth about “Black Female Sexuality” is explosive. It would expose everything and everybody who victimized sistas for their own sexual pleasure. It would shatter “White Supremacy” as we know it.

Tyrone, why is this important? Once sistas know the real story of the Arab and European Slave Trade, They’re Free! Understand, white racism has always been about controlling and exploiting the sexuality of blackwomen. Because, once you get past all the bulls**t, it’s about who is going to have access to our women. Non-black men desire our women, and they want us brothas out of the way by any means necessary.

REMEMBER! IT’S ABOUT THE SISTAS STUPID!!!

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on Tue Jun 30th 2009 at 06:46:19 james

I believe the east african women are more beautiful then any other race in africa. take a look at ethiopians, somalians and eretrians. i have dated couple of them and i found them amazing.

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on Wed Jul 1st 2009 at 12:19:37 bedaga

eehh! if the viewer must ma comment then the page should be upside down.. does it mean i almost bget information as early as it is expiring? i gues no but becoz my service provider(the web)travelz by bus all the way from america. i must say it reached me late. but still i also see that the sisters hiked

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on Wed Jul 1st 2009 at 12:23:45 bedaga

dont take all those erros to blame me of the lang but you must fill in those words in the text”see,got , is-was,”

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on Fri Jul 10th 2009 at 14:24:38 Neil

I love these black lady for they are very beautiful. And i hope they are very happy also. Neil

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on Sat Jul 11th 2009 at 05:02:29 Nubiah

Here for you abagond, a few selection of beautiful African women from Cameroon, Mali , Angola , Senegal and Cape verde. (underrepresented on your blog)

The first is Tiguida she is from the same country as me “Mali”, She’s so flawless. you surely know her.
http://www.jamati.com/online/style/tiguida-malian-beauty/?img=9

the second is the cameroonian model Elga
my country too.
http://www.jamati.com/online/la-mode/elga-beaute-du-cameroun/?img=4

The third is from Senegal, She was elected Miss Senegal 2007,She’s gorgeous.
http://www.dinoutoo.com/reportages-dakar/culture-et-spectacles/-Miss-Senegal-2007–2464.html

This pic is Miss Angola, her chocolate skin and killer body makes her my fav.

The last pic is Mayara from cape verde, a gorgeous singer, I actually know her and I have some family in Cape verde too.
media.timeoutnewyork.com/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/665/665.x600.mr.andrade.opener.jpg?

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on Sat Jul 11th 2009 at 19:12:08 laromana

Nubiah,
Thanks so much for showing examples of the MANY gorgeous 100% African beauties that exist in the world. In America, there are too many ANTI-BW RACIST/HATERS who claim that full blood BW are ugly. These lying idiots need to be silenced by being shown the undeniable TRUTH about Black beauty.

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on Sat Jul 11th 2009 at 23:52:02 Nubiah

You welcome Laromana!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!( I will put it more as often as necessary to show “our” diversity and beauty)LOL.

There are so many gorgeous 100% African women but because of stereotypes and lies some people in afro-diaspora (too many for me) don’t even believe it.

That’s why they like claming an admixture to explain their beauty.
That’s sad.

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on Tue Jul 14th 2009 at 08:27:54 jadeaja

GREAT STUFF!!! I WNAT TO SHOW ALL THE YOUNG SISTAS THIS SITE! I AM A LIGHT SKINNED BLACK WOMAN WHO IS OFTEN ASSUMED TO HAVE A WHITE PARENT. I AM EVEN TOLD BY BOTH BLACKS AND WHITES THAT IM NOT BLACK ENOUGH. EH????
ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO I CUT OFF MOST OF MY HAIR IN AN ATTEMPT TO RID MYSELF OF THE TOXIC HAIR RELAXER PATTERN. I WORE WEAVES DURING THIS TIME. FOLKS ASSUMED THAT I COULD NOT GROW HAIR. NOW A SPORT A BIG LONG MANE OF FUNKY COPPER, BLONDE AND BROWN CURLS. I LOVE IT!!! HOWEVER MANY OF MY WHITE PEERS DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO WHEN MY BLACKNESS SLAPPED THEM IN THE FACE. THE SAME MEN WHO CALLED ME HOT OR BLACK-A-NESE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO SEE ME. ON THE FLIP SIDE A NEW HOST OF WHITE SUTORS CAME ABOUT. I LIVE IN SCOTTSDALE AZ (CANT WAIT TO MOVE). THE BROTHERS OUT HERE ARE 99% INTO BLONDE WHITE WOMEN. THEY LOOK AT ME….STARE EVEN. I CANT TELL WHAT THEY ARE THINKING. I CAN ONLY ASSUNME THAT THERE ARE NOT MANY SISTAS WITH A FRO WALKING THE STREETS OF THE ULTRA WHITE CONSERVATIVE DESERT STATE. I FEEL FREE AND MORE BEAUTIFUL THEN I EVER HAVE. MY HAIR IS WORK BUT WELL WORTH IT. I LOVE THE WAY THAT WE SISTAS AGE. OUR SKIN STANDS THE TEST OF TIME. OUR MUSCLES POP. WE HAVE BUTTS, LIPS AND HIPS. HAPPY TO BE ME.

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on Wed Jul 15th 2009 at 08:58:28 Burak Apaydin

you could have put Kimberly Glass in the list too. she is much better than some women in the list.

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on Thu Aug 13th 2009 at 17:48:14 Maluson

you said that most beautiful black women are found in 1. cameroon and in 2. congo..

DAMN RIGHT! I’m from Congo (Kinshasa) and I’ve been in other countries, and yes there are some magnificent black women in the world and especially in Africa but the most beautiful are from Congo..

My wife and myself are from congo, and my wife is an ex model and she is just between Thick and Thin (in your definition) and oh my god she is beautiful (pretty eyes, pretty lips, big breast with a thin waist and a nice booty), damn I love her… and she knows it. Thank god for such beautiful black women.

And thank you for your blog, really great.

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on Fri Aug 14th 2009 at 03:12:04 abagond

Thank you! See, I am not completely delusional, even if Nigerians do not want to admit it!

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on Sun Aug 16th 2009 at 12:17:40 didi

sWAZI WOMEN:

http://www.pbase.com/tessajoughin/image/33896408

BOTSWANA:mISS UNIVERSE 1999:

http://gorgeousblackwomen.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/mpule-kwelagobe/

Congo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFDDc-Eo9C4&feature=related [loud YouTube video]

My favorite(himbas):Natural and absolutely beautiful women:

http://www.worldisround.com/articles/22108/photo6.html

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on Mon Aug 17th 2009 at 20:21:02 Malika

Well done!! but I guess your choice of beauty tells you are not well travelled… Kisses!

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on Tue Aug 18th 2009 at 08:24:21 didi

Some videos of congolese beauties:

Miss Benita mureka tete:The first african to finish on the podium of an international beauty contest.She finished 3rd at miss universe 1985:

Aimee Dobala:Finished 5th at miss universe 1986:She should have won!

Miss olive Kabila:The first lady of the democratic republic of Congo:

Widow Mobutu:

The late Geourgous Wife of gabon president Omar Bongo dancing with her diminutive husband.She is being praised by the late congolese singer MADILU;

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on Fri Aug 21st 2009 at 08:24:46 alli

OK PEOPLE…….BLACK CARIBBEAN GIRLS are beautiful and EXOTIC without mixture…UNLIKE BLACK AMERICASN we dont have the same values… there are biracial americans who look the same as Black caribbean girls…America’s view of Black beauty is biracial beauty ,,,and dats terrible…….and i love that in the Caribbean in all the music videos our men worship us,.unlike black American men lol…thank God i’m west indian lol

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on Mon Aug 24th 2009 at 13:01:47 Black&German

Just had to say that at my cousin’s wedding this weekend there had to be at least 4 or 5 women who would have made your list. My husband acted like his eyes were going to fall out of his head. And, according to him, their figures were so amazing that if he’d only seen a picture of them he’d have assumes it was Photo-shopped. LOL!
I guess I’ve gotten used to the way they look so I don’t notice it anymore but it was entertaining to see his reaction.

Actually, I could see that many beautiful black women just walking around DC, Baltimore Harbor, or Silver Springs. Whenever I hear, “Black women are ugly!” I just shake my head. Are they blind or just willfully ignorant?

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on Sat Aug 29th 2009 at 12:40:10 ida

If to be beautiful it is to have a pretty faces,then the prettiest black faces,men or women, are found in bantu countries from Congo to SA.Congo,Swaziland,Botswana and South africa have the prettiest black women in the world and they are fully black.

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on Sun Aug 30th 2009 at 07:16:34 nubiah

Even I am from Cameroon to me they are not the most beautiful in Africa neither Congo nor Nigeria(damn not! I never saw one drop dead gorgeous from Nigeria, I know some are going to hate for saying that!)..

Malian, Senegalese,Guinean, Ghanean, Rwandese,Reunionese,Malgache, Peuls(by far the most beautiful women in the world), Ethiopian and Angola have the most beautiful.

I also love the beauty of Afro-latinas.

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on Sun Aug 30th 2009 at 10:11:26 Maluson

To Nubiah, when you say Angola have the most beautiful, you should know that in Angola they are also “Bantus” and that you find the Bantu people in Congo AND Angola, just go to Angola and see that they also talk Lingala beside english and portugese. They just look like congolese people but with other languages.

So… for me the Bantus women are the most beautiful (Congo and Angola included).

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on Sun Aug 30th 2009 at 19:13:25 nubiah

Maluson,

I know people from Angola are also Bantu but to me they are more beautiful than Congolese.( not all Angolese speak lingala! to me they don’t(all) share the same features, of course some do coz the history of Angola but others have different features and I am not talking about the mixed with portuguese)

But in term of beauty everybody can’t agree with everybody, we all perceive beauty in different way.

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on Tue Sep 1st 2009 at 10:37:39 Agostinho

Nubiah, you so themm right, Angolan woman are beautful, that i agree with you.

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on Tue Sep 1st 2009 at 16:08:40 laromana

nubiah Says:

I also love the beauty of Afro-latinas.

laromana Says,
Thanks for your compliment to Afro-latinas.

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on Tue Sep 1st 2009 at 18:20:42 nubiah

De nada, Laromana I truly think
ellas tienen algo único.

I grew with plenty of them and love the way they are confident and enhance their beauty.

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on Tue Sep 1st 2009 at 18:30:16 laromana

nubiah Says:

De nada, Laromana I truly think
ellas tienen algo único.

I grew with plenty of them and love the way they are confident and enhance their beauty.

laromana Says,
Gracias por tus palabras de alabanzas!

So nice of you to notice that about us.

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on Wed Sep 2nd 2009 at 16:32:24 ida

Some people confound to be beautiful with to have straight hair,long whites noses and light skins(ethiopians,somalis,….).I am talking real beauty without biais!Ethiopians have fail so far to finish in the top 10 either in miss world or miss universe and somalis produce great top models who arent always that great beauties(Iman,warsame,kadra omar…).When it comes to beauty(men or women),some countries must be totally discounted(cameroun,benin,togo,ivory coast,ghana,….).Senegaleses are tall,slim but their faces arent always pretty!In a Country like RDCongo you find all types of beauties from somalis looking to pure bantus.And men look also GOOOOOD and are the most elegant and most charismatic in africa.

Some congolese boys:
Fally ipupa:

Kaysha Mokolo:

The great Joe Mpoy:

Sapeurs de bundes:Learn some style tips.

The best looking president in africa:At over 60 he is still going strong.Saddly he is a dictator:

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on Wed Sep 2nd 2009 at 18:50:52 nubiah

LOL Ida!

I am a big a Fally( my ex-fake husband), anyway,

if you I find or some find West African to be beautiful because of her features or hair , light skin, thin body(most of them doesn’t even fit this description), you are wrong.

To me Iman and co (except Liya Kedebe) aren’t beautiful but I know some west African who are drop dead gorgeous with beautiful rich skin.

Black beauty , doesn’t come in one shade so why is it so bad to admire someone with curly, straight, slender nose, slim etc…

And white features mean nothing, slender nose, straight hair etc.. aren’t, but they are an human traits, like broad nose.

But I agree with u some beauties from some countries are underrated.

for the record, to me congolese men are more than gorgeous but in general Bantu Men are by far the most sexy and beau.

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on Wed Sep 2nd 2009 at 19:50:49 islandgirl

I think a lot of Africans, especially Ethopian and Samolians are beautiful. One of the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen was Rachel Stuart, she used to host “Caribbean Rhythms”.

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on Mon Sep 7th 2009 at 00:40:16 Tina

There are extremely beautiful black women all over the world. All places are blessed with them. Encourage those who are like you. The way you treat your sister, country woman or not, does come back to you. Your children can travel and give birth in any part of the world. And, then what would happen? They would still be beautiful. At their core, they are still a reflection of you. And, you are all beautiful. LOVE ur reflection. From, a beautiful woman, inside and outside.

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on Sun Sep 13th 2009 at 12:04:22 ida

Some black first ladies:

Michelle Obama:

Classy,gorgeous,superbright:

Olive Kabila(Congo):

Gorgeous,classy,bright:

Camerounese first lady:

Crappy,ugly..etc..she looks like a 10 dollars hoe:

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on Sun Sep 13th 2009 at 23:01:37 Fuzzinurspace

i have a fondness for all brown skinned women.(white guy here)and my boys are of mixed decent.yet i wonder why we as humans continue to point out race it should be a non issue no distintions.we all bleed red and we all have hopes fears and desires when will we get past this?genetically we are all pretty much decendants of a few “black women”in early africa.so God bless those wonderful eves who gave rise to us all.

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on Mon Sep 14th 2009 at 03:10:45 abagond

At first I just had a list of the most beautiful women, regardless of race. But then I noticed I was getting loads of hits for “beautiful black women”, so I made this list.

I used to believe that women of all races were equally beautiful, but then I saw that I was just fooling myself:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/politically-correct-beauty/

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on Mon Sep 14th 2009 at 03:13:59 abagond

ida:

I generally do not regard Michelle Obama as beautiful, but in that video she looks great.

I have seen Miss Hair (Chantal Biya) of Cameroon before.

Thanks for the links.

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on Mon Sep 14th 2009 at 10:22:18 sarah

hello everyone!!
Abagond you so damn right Cameroonians has such beautiful women!! we have a great mutlitude of beauties the bantu, the semi bantu, the hausas fulani and so on 280 ethnies so 280 reasons to be beautiful! I like our beauty diversity the girl from the North and the South or East has different face but so gorgeous sorry for you Ida but even I do not really like Chantal’s Biya big hair she’s a very gorgeous girl and especially friendly

Just some cameroonian sister’s beauties
http://dulcecamer.blogspot.com/2009/08/mario-epanya-en-vogue.html (see marion gako at the end of the interview)

http://dulcecamer.blogspot.com/2009_04_05_archive.html

http://dulcecamer.blogspot.com/2008_07_27_archive.html

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on Mon Sep 14th 2009 at 10:24:06 sarah

That’s for you Ida…
http://maison.jamna.net/2008/11/

Pride to be cameroonian and big up to them LOVE YOU!

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on Mon Sep 14th 2009 at 10:46:09 abagond

Wow. Thanks for the links!

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on Mon Sep 14th 2009 at 11:16:14 sarah

nubiah don’t forget our cameroonian males
so hot actually, for me centre(because Cameroon is a central african country) and south of the continent do have the best male with hot bodies not too thin

http://www.instantcast.com/users/DavidNso

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on Mon Sep 14th 2009 at 11:45:28 sarah

abagond you are welcome bro! and many thanks for my beautiful cameroonian sisters!
a last one for the road…

http://yayemarieba.blogspot.com/2007/10/nelly-moudime-our-cameroonian-covergril.html

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on Mon Sep 14th 2009 at 13:36:13 lama

there is no need to be american to be beuatiful 100% african pure beauties

cameroun
http://www.peuplesawa.com/fr/bnnews.php?nid=836

Senegal
http://www.seneweb.com/music/artist.php?artid=9

Congo
http://www.tvsa.co.za/actorprofile.asp?actorID=6744

For me these three countries gather the African beauty

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on Mon Sep 14th 2009 at 13:45:31 ida

the “beautiful” chantal biya:

Hahahhaahahaaaa!Conmerounais!

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on Mon Sep 14th 2009 at 15:19:27 nayah

sarah agbor

http://kamerstories.blogspot.com/2007/06/meet-talented-ms-agbor.html

http://www.camerfeeling.net/dossiers/dossiers.php?val=992_suzan+agbor

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on Mon Sep 14th 2009 at 15:22:46 sarah

ida we seem to have different tastes and different education lol

Big up to my cameroonian stuning beauty sisters and Abagond good choice! and kiss the haters too.

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on Fri Sep 18th 2009 at 04:21:50 thompson

I want to meet nice ladies that can aid my needs…

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on Mon Sep 21st 2009 at 06:47:51 Lucas

Just two words for you.

Zoe Saldana…

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on Wed Nov 11th 2009 at 06:04:53 Sthe

hey.. a few comments in jest..

What is beauty really, all of the women on your list are as we see them beautiful but they most of them have weaves on, what will they look like without the weaves and make up?

Are we careful not to choose the most polished women instead of the most beautiful?

And if you wanna define Black beauty, don you wanna look at purely black women, whos features have not been influenced by other races???

think about it..

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on Wed Nov 11th 2009 at 16:27:16 AO

“What is beauty really, all of the women on your list are as we see them beautiful but they most of them have weaves on, what will they look like without the weaves and make up?

Are we careful not to choose the most polished women instead of the most beautiful?”

@ Sthe

Isn’t this what is done with White women? We almost never see them in any other way being presented to the world unless they are perfectly coiffed, polished, and made up to perfection. A beauty standard, that according to most white people, no other woman of any other race can even come close to achieving. Although we all know that they are not representing themselves as they truly are yet we are supposed to accept that they are the most beautiful of all women.

p.s. i know, as you already stated, that you were throwing these out there in jest. 🙂

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on Mon Nov 16th 2009 at 02:56:16 Ironcat1

Why isn’t Tamara Taylor of “Bones” on your list of Beautiful Black Women. I’m a 57 year old white man and my knees melt every time I see her. Am I the only one who realizes what an awesome woman she is?

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on Sun Nov 22nd 2009 at 20:10:26 Shani

Abagond,

Would you please explain specifically why you don’t consider Halle Berry top 10 material?

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on Sun Nov 22nd 2009 at 22:29:34 abagond

I keep getting asked this, so I will write a post on it in the coming week.

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on Mon Nov 23rd 2009 at 09:28:35 tara

Cameroonians women are really hot, I’m from ghana but I used to livein Cameroon they are really natural got such beautiful skin tone and are sensual. The Northern region of Cameroon has such stunning beauties I was just whouaa abagond you are right, but don’t forget my ghanians sisters because we are hot too

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on Wed Nov 25th 2009 at 16:44:54 abagond

Shani said:

“Would you please explain specifically why you don’t consider Halle Berry top 10 material?”

My answer is here:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/halle-berry-is-not-the-most-beautiful-black-woman-in-the-world/

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on Sat Nov 28th 2009 at 07:41:35 Autumn

I am mixed with black, puerto rican, jamaican, creek native american, and cheerokee native american. And all me and my bothers and sisters are mixed, my half brothers and sisters have white in them too. Anyway I used to think i was so ugly cause people used to pick on me and some black girls were jealous because me and my sisters all have long hair. And we straighten it because we think it will make us beautiful, we all have naturally curly hair not afro curly but still curly. And I know that a lot of black women feel they are not beautiful enough. I mean we are all light skinned, some of us have reddish undertones like me, and then some of my half siblings are even lighter. People are always asking me what race or nationality I am. Or they will ask me if my hair is real and when I say yes then they will say are you mixed? And I say yes and then they are like oh that’s why. That annoys me its like black women cant have nice hair. I think people of all races or nationalities have beautiful people. But the most beautiful I think are the Ethiopeans, Asians, Indians, and mixed or multiracial people. And another thing look at my picture and tell me what race or nationality came to your mind first. Or maybe you can’t tell. Just curious, cause a lot of people have a hard time guessing what I am. I think its a little funny. : )

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on Sat Nov 28th 2009 at 07:51:22 Autumn

Oh sorry my picture doesn’t show here. Go to http://www.myspace.com/chenelle88 you can see pictures of me there. And just to warn you I’m wearing some lingerie in some. All the pictures are of me, I have some of my friends and some of my sister. Also, my husband. (He’s Haitian)

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on Fri Dec 4th 2009 at 03:43:36 Kellia

I really enjoyed looking at this list and i think the women chosen are beautiful. It’s really sad to me that we get caught up in whose pretty, whose beautiful, and whose not. someone made a comment about Rhiannah having a wide nose or some silly comment. So what if her nose is wide, she is has her own beauty. Not everyone who is pretty is going to look the exact same. Halle berry has her own beauty. Gabrielle Union has her own beauty, Jada Pinkette-Smith has her own beauty. The woman walking down the street has her own beauty. I wish people would stop saying who looks better than who. Appreciate the beauty of women. Maybe more women would be a little bit more confident and feel better if society isn’t branding on what beautiful or not.
Less competition to worry about.

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on Mon Dec 14th 2009 at 15:38:13 Nita

Abagond what is your definition of long hair?

Black woman do and can have long hair. Short hair is not permanent. It’s just a matter of allowing it to grow long. Many do not allow their hair to grow nor do they give it what it needs for it to do so. It’s not like we can’t have long hair. We may not have long hair in great numbers like other races of women. But we are out their.

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on Thu Dec 17th 2009 at 17:51:57 Sese

you forgot Liberia, i have to be bias but I stumbled across this blog and I am impressed

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on Sun Dec 20th 2009 at 18:05:36 thompson

i would like marrying a lady who’s ready to marry now

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on Tue Dec 29th 2009 at 05:40:11 charisma

What about drop dead gorgeous Vanity, Stacey Dash, Pam Grier, Jessica White, Keisha Knight Pulliam, Lark Voorhies, Christina Millian, Dawn Robinson of EnVogue, Reagan Gomez, India.Arie, Lauren Hill.

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on Fri Jan 1st 2010 at 23:28:40 DTrent

That “one-drop rule” annoys me! Would you say it also applies to people of the same race but not the same nationality? Ex: The mom is Irish, the dad is Polish. The child claims to be…………WHAT?!? If she claims to be Polish, she ignores her mom in herself. If she claims ONLY the Irish half, she ignores her dad in herself. WHAT’S WRONG WITH CLAIMING BOTH?!? She could say she’s Polish/Irish.
The same with mixed race people. Ex: Halle Berry is NOT black. She’s mixed. The same goes for Sade, Mariah Carrey, Alicia Keys, etc………..
Perhaps it’s only about PERCEPTION. If the person LOOKS more black then blacks claim her. If she looks more white but has “one drop” of “black blood” in her, she’s still black?!?! Noooooooooo! This is just my opinion but I feel it’s a valid one.

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on Fri Jan 1st 2010 at 23:59:28 tulio

I have a question for other black men…when you see a very attractive black woman with a white man, does it upset you or make you a little bit jealous?

I have to admit, I don’t like it. I know it’s wrong, and I shouldn’t care, but somehow I do. And it has nothing to do with any opposition to interracial dating as I have interracially dated myself. I actually understand why many black women get upset when they see a well-off or famous black man with a white woman. Many black women would hate to see Danzel dating a white woman. I notice that a lot of black models seem to date white men. That actually annoys me. For one thing, you don’t see a lot of white female models with black men(other than Heidi Klum). Yet when it’s the reverse, many black female models are with white guys.

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on Sun Jan 3rd 2010 at 05:13:39 leaveumthinking

Here is my list

1 Vanity
2 Stacey Dash
3 Lark Voorhies
4 Janet Jackson
5 Dawn Robinson of En Vogue
6 Iman
7 Kenya Moore
8 Jessica White
9 Aaliyah
10 Irish of 702

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on Sun Jan 3rd 2010 at 05:58:59 jeri

Tulio

I think you are just human. We all get jealous and insecure. As long as it doesn’t get out of hand, it is no big deal.

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on Mon Jan 4th 2010 at 02:33:35 Shani

leaveumthinking,

I like your list even though I am not familiar with a few of them on there. Here is my list:

1) Lauryn Hill
2)Nia Long
3)Janet Jackson
4)Phylicia Rashad
5)Kenya Moore
6)Stacey Dash
7)Whitney Houston (before drugs)
8)Angela Bassett
9)Gabrielle Union
10) Iman

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on Mon Jan 4th 2010 at 03:10:02 leaveumthinking

@ Shani

I forgot about Whitney Houston, Lauren Hill, and Phylicia Rashad. Its hard to just name 10.

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on Mon Jan 4th 2010 at 04:11:24 jeri

Since we were on topic of africans, I want to mention 2face Ibidia again. I think his so hot!!He’s Nigerian by the way.

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on Mon Jan 4th 2010 at 04:13:58 jeri

Also, Abagond could you do a topic on popular African Men like 2face Ibidia.

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on Tue Jan 5th 2010 at 03:24:53 MerriMay

@ Ida

I second that! Southern African women ie bantu are knockouts, esp South African, Botswanan, Swaziland, Angolan, Namibian ,Mozambique, Zimbabwe.

Jazz Singer Goapele,
former Miss Universe Mpule Kwelagobe,
Leleti Khumalo of Sarafina fame.
Mpho a pop singer in London charts
Shingai lead singer in another pop band(will post her bandname, can’t recall at the moment)

Will post links to all these beautiful ladies down south.

The Cameroonian first lady has the look I’ve observed with some West African women in London. Not all. Bleached skin with little pale patches, and what looks like hastily applied too pale for her skin tone make-up, and then the severe drawn on pitch black eyebrows. I saw her pics in a conservative newspaper in London, the English had a field day with her! Cringeworthy. I don’t tend to see that bleached skin with West Indians though. Before I get attacked for my views pls bear in mind these are my own observations! No offense intended.

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on Wed Jan 20th 2010 at 18:57:02 JAY

abagond
U should see ethiopian women they’re the most beautiful women on earth. No other race have such beauties like the Ethiopians. Its undreal how fine the women are. Hard to find ugly ones.

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on Mon Jan 25th 2010 at 10:23:53 cutie puff

I’m from south Africa…and I think Soth Africa also has Africa’s most beautiful. How abt you also include some south african babes on your list…and hey! Plz dnt 4get Mozambiquen girls…they have hot bodies!

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on Tue Jan 26th 2010 at 11:46:58 Jania

I agree with cutie puff and, Im not even from South African but damn??!!! South Africa definately has it going on! one thing I love about south African’s is that they have the kind of beauty that appeals to almost all races. I mean no offense, but often I get a Nigerian girl that only black people find good looking…even worse…only black nigerian people find that person attractive. I studied in South Africa for three years and when a black girl is pretty even white, indian or chineese people for that matter will find that girl attractive. Honestly real beauty should appeal to all races!

If only black people think you hot maybe you not that hot after all and, if only white ppl find a certain white girl attractive and all other races don’t agree then maybe she is not that hot after all! I mean really…beauty is beauty period! this whole black beauty and white beauty thing is nonsense…if u are pretty you are pretty! and by the way Alek whateva her name is, the model, the one who grew up in London…yeah that one, she is not beautiful! no ways! I’m not saying this coz she is dark skinned…I’m saying this coz she just not beautiful!!!!! and I bat there’s a lot of ppl out there who agree with me. I want to strangle who ever it is that started this whole thing abt her being good looking…that person must have been seriously high…on what? I have no clue…but whateva it was, it sure is strong!

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on Sat Jan 30th 2010 at 22:58:05 Jessica

Ivorian (Ivory Coast), Guinean, Malian women r very beautiful constantly, the rate of beautiful women u can meet in the street ir so high…these are some example
Guinee : Katoucha, Binti Bangoura

Mali: Tiguida ( ridiculously gorgeous, never saw anyone as beautiful), Awa Diawara

Ivory Coast: Nina Keita (old Navy commercial the dark skin one), Jessi MBengue ( Ivorian/ Algerian), Aurelie Eliam, Sery Dorcas

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on Thu Feb 4th 2010 at 15:10:02 nora

http://www.missafricaunitedstates.com/semi2010/bio-MelanieKamayou.html

These girl is so beautiful and I truy believe that cameroonians are very hot, even I am from Zimbabwe where beauties are also common I confess that cameroonia have thise different and very interesting natural beauty actually for me I think that bantou’s beauty is more interesting and natural than sahel’s one.

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on Thu Feb 4th 2010 at 17:13:34 peanut

you should see the Peanutian women. They’re hot!!! Peanutian women are just the bomb, hard to find ugly ones!!!

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on Thu Feb 4th 2010 at 17:16:39 Natasha W

Lol, peanut.

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on Thu Feb 4th 2010 at 17:42:49 AO

LMAO Peanut 😀

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on Thu Feb 4th 2010 at 19:07:01 Aiyo

Peautian? LOL you are funny

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on Fri Feb 5th 2010 at 18:02:41 A Hunter

Venus Williams is a classic beauty, top of the line!! Striking! And you say pretty at best? Whatever!!!

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on Sun Feb 7th 2010 at 18:50:19 Jessica

Video on west african beauty

Video about clubing in abidjan-Ivorycoast

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on Fri Feb 12th 2010 at 15:33:14 Maryama

Hi, nice post. i just want to say that black women on a whole, in every country and nation in the world you can find beautiful black women. and women in general. Now i have seen black women many nations who were very beautiful. The African American women have very many beautiful ladies,South African, Ethiopian, Camerounian, etc. many of the Sahelian African ladies have an elegance and fine features that are very beautiful. You can also see this in Haiti, Brazil, Colombia, all over the African Continent as well! Being presentee in an array of skin tones, eye shapes , face shape and physical stature. very nice. I am from Senegal, we pride ourselves on being stylish elegant and groomed and we recognize black is beautiful! as shouold we all.

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on Fri Feb 12th 2010 at 20:28:16 B. R.

These are some great Brazilian women

Esperanca Spalding belongs on the list

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on Fri Feb 12th 2010 at 21:17:52 B. R.

More beautiful Brazilian girls ,with two time Billboard World Music charting artist , Edi Machado in the middle.

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on Sat Feb 13th 2010 at 12:55:28 THOMPSON

black women are beautiful

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on Wed Feb 17th 2010 at 06:33:00 ribkin

Most beautiful black women can be found in Mozambique, a portuguese speaking country on the South Eastern coast of Africa, just above South Africa. There is a BIG difference between black and mixed-race, Obama is a ‘mulato’ in America ‘black’ means everyone who’s not white…what kind of bs is that? Most of the ladies here do not qualify as ‘black’, especially the American and Brazilian ones…Brazil is practically a nation of mixed breeds. Also I don’t find West African ladies attractive, don’t know why Cameroon is ranked near the top of your list….

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on Wed Feb 17th 2010 at 12:20:12 Thad

Brazil is practically a nation of mixed breeds.

Hmmmm. True enough, but then again so is the United States, as far as that goes.

And anyone who seriously believed “mixed” is necessarily prettier than “not mixed” hasn’t travelled much in Brazil. Sure there are a lot of pretty mixed people. And then there are a lot of mixed people who seem to carry the most unattractive physical traits of all their ancestors.

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on Wed Feb 17th 2010 at 15:06:37 B. R.

ribkin ,I dont think your eyes are seeing correctly. Both clips I brought in from Brazil have some women that are as dark as any woman directly from Africa.

I dont think you know Africa , there are ranges of color differances there.

It would be hard pressed to find anywhere in the world a more spectacular, beautiful, sensual incredible example of black female beauty than the passista ,in Brazil, dancing the samba for her escola da samba. Im not talking about the rainha da bateria ,who are mostly white celebrities, im talking about the passistas from the community of the escolas who are mostly black.

The samba is absolutly one of the hardest dances to do well ,in the world. Its a dance with roots squarly from Africa. Ive seen documentary films of zulu dancers doing variations on the Rio samba and the samba from Bahia , and you know the zulus did those movements first. Most Brazilians cant knock off a decent samba step.

Its funny, all the girls I brought in on these clips , including Esperanza Spalding , would have had to use the colored wash rooms in the south in the USA before the laws changed it, I dont see any reason to exclude them as great examples of beautiful black women.

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on Wed Feb 17th 2010 at 16:11:14 Thad

…im talking about the passistas from the community of the escolas who are mostly black.

If you gloss all colors from light brown to dark-almost-blue as “black”, yes. But Brazilians themselves don’t tend to see things that way.

Most Brazilians cant knock off a decent samba step.

Sorry, B.R., that’s a stereotype that pisses many Brazilians of color off. First of all, samba’s not so much Brazil as it is Rio de Janeiro and, perhaps, Salvador. Secondly, I very much doubt it’s African roots are Zulu: they are more likely Angolan or Nigerian or both. Finally, samba has a TON of other roots, many non-African such as (I sh%* you not) polka. This is why you hear “The Beer Barrel Polka” played by traditional blocos at carnaval.

As Hernano Vianna points out, samba is as much a modern, urban and syncretic musical form as jazz. It most certainly is not a pure relic of pre-modern African culture.

Its funny, all the girls I brought in on these clips , including Esperanza Spalding , would have had to use the colored wash rooms in the south in the USA before the laws changed it, I dont see any reason to exclude them as great examples of beautiful black women.

That’s always a big question: does one use Brazilian or American definitions of “black” when one looks at Brazilians? Both views have their problems and advantages.

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on Wed Feb 17th 2010 at 16:12:34 Thad

Whoops! Just noticed you said “Most Brazilians CAN’T knock off a decent samba step.” True, that. My bad. I read that as “can”.

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on Wed Feb 17th 2010 at 18:33:03 B. R.

Thad, as far as the Zulu documentary, I was just amazed that they were doing those steps that seemed so similar to samba from Rio and Bahia. I wouldnt want to say they were the exact origin of those steps from Rio.

Sub sahara African rhythms and dances have vast differances but also similarities.

And that is what I was referring to, was the similarities of these steps. If the Zulu tribe had these steps, there is a good chance that they could have been in another African tribe near Angola or Mozambique. After all, there is a lot of similar 6/8 feeling in the drum beats of sub sahara Africa, as well as duple time rhytyms that are the roots of so many great rhythms of the Americas ,like jazz, rumba, funk, samba , mambo etc

Yes, Rio samba has a lot of influences. The fundimental rhythms and dance steps can be found in the samba da rodas in Bahia and that came to Rio, but, Chiquinha Gonzaga and the choros brought in sophisticated European harmonies.

Yeah , I think I know what you mean about polka sambas, a lot of groups from Sao Paulo and south definitly sound like they have some polka in it.

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on Wed Feb 17th 2010 at 18:35:12 jessica

another post for west african beauty

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on Wed Feb 17th 2010 at 18:56:24 Thad

If the Zulu tribe had these steps, there is a good chance that they could have been in another African tribe near Angola or Mozambique.

B.R., Angola and Mozambique are on opposite sides of the continent, in the first place, and there was little to no overland communication between the two until the late 19th century.

Secondly, AFAIK, the Zulus themselves were never anywhere near Angola or Mozambique during the years of Portuguese suzerainty. They were an expanding and imperial nation in their own respect – very dangerous folk. They weren’t conquered until the very end of the 20th century and – again AFAIK – they contributed no significant numbers of slaves to the new world.

The Zulus were strictly badass.

As for polka, it didn’t come out of SP: it was a development out of urban, port town Rio de Janeiro. You’re thinking of polka as German folk tradition. By the late 19th century, it had already become a mass cultural product which was exported across the world. A lot of Rio’s polka influence, in fact, came from the U.S. and not Europe.

For a VERY good and factual account of samba’s roots that distinctly demystifies the afro-primitivism some people would like to attribute to the musical style, let me suggest
Hermano Vianna’s The Mystery of Samba. An excellent book!

http://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Samba-Popular-National-Identity/dp/0807847666

Finally – and the musical folks can back me up on this one – samba has very little to do, rhythmatically or otherwise – with the 6/8 beat you’re talking about. Samba is basically 2/4.

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on Wed Feb 17th 2010 at 19:01:13 Thad

LOL at the comment re: Chiquinha Gonzaga, btw. I’ve never heard of her being described as a purveyor of “sophisticated European harmonies” before. At the time, she most “sophisticated Europeans” considered her to be a ordinary lil’ mulata girl who made obscene music.

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on Wed Feb 17th 2010 at 19:30:20 B. R.

Thad, I said that many African rhythms had similarities like 6/8 , and some dance steps all over the sub sahara continent. There is every reason to beleive the Zulus had some of these similarities as well as differances uniqe to them that I know .

I said duple rhythm,also, that is 2/4 . 6/8 feels had its influence on American jazz.

And the people who really were playing the beat in Samba da Rodas in Bahia , who brought those beats and dance steps to Rio, didnt think in western terms. It wasnt until people like Gonzaga started writing these songs did they use the European style of writing to interperate it , meaning they staffed it in 2/4.

What ever the classical composers thought of her, she did organise those musical elements into writing it down. She was in charge of inventing the music union and copy righting in Brazil.

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on Wed Feb 17th 2010 at 19:38:52 B. R.

Ill try to look into that book, but, trust me, I dont get my information from books about music , I get it from the musicians themselves.Not that books cant be informative.

Authors can put their own spin on it , but, musicians and dancers are the real source of where it came from.

I suggest comparing histories of music from as many differant sources as you can and trying to make your conclusion out of that, never rely on one book to tell you the story.And always go to the musicians , they are the most important source about the music .They can tell you things about the music an intellectual writing about it never could.

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on Wed Feb 17th 2010 at 20:20:46 Thad

And the people who really were playing the beat in Samba da Rodas in Bahia , who brought those beats and dance steps to Rio, didnt think in western terms.

Sorry, man: that’s the myth, not the way history has it. Samba coalescing in Rio was a lot more complicated than the mythical “Bahians brought in an unsullied Ioruban cultural form”. For one thing, samba was also influenced by jongo, a carioca Angolan-based cultural form.

And no, all African music is not really pretty much all alike at heart, just as European music isn’t. The zulus and the ioruba had next to no contact with each other and close to zero cultural diffusion betwen them.

I’m not aware, actually, that Chiquinha wrote any sambas down at all. Lundus, maybe. Corta jacas, certainly. All these musical forms are as different from one another as polka is from, say, Dixieland.

Ill try to look into that book, but, trust me, I dont get my information from books about music , I get it from the musicians themselves.Not that books cant be informative.

Authors can put their own spin on it , but, musicians and dancers are the real source of where it came from.

Hermano comes from one of the most musically active families in town, with a loooooong history of participation in our local music scene. His brother was a leader in Brazil’s transformative rock movement during the 1980s and ’90s. He studied under one of Rio’s most renowned musical anthropologists, a man also deeply involved in the city’s music scene.

In this town, music and academia have been feeding off and interacting with each other for 80 years. Things are not as neatly compartmentalized as they are in the states.

(As an aside, I’m getting kinda tired of the American presumption that academics all live in a rarified ivory tower and never deal with reality. I wish Americans would stop it with this tired old crap. You are the only people in the entire world who believe that “intellectual” is a nasty word and that people who actually take the time to really investigate something down to its roots are, in fact, butt ignerint and obviously alienated. Why do you people constantly make this ridiculous presumption?)

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on Wed Feb 17th 2010 at 20:51:13 Thad

That last bit’s not a crack on you specifically, B.R. It’s more by way of a general observation. The United States is the only place in the world where a man or a woman who’s dedicated their life to studying something will routinely be called a “know-nothing” by people who are amateurs and enthusiasists. In part, I think it’s democratic. Mostly, however, I think it’s insulting and really arrogant.

For the record, no, I do not think that people who live in the middle of something necessarily have a better or more real view of it than anyone else. Observation, analysis, shared information, some sort of constructed objectivity, no matter how contingent… All this is also necessary for a decent analysis of things.

So when it comes down to choosing between the viewpoint of a guy who’s vibrantly involved in the carioca musical scene and WHO ALSO has done deep documentary and historical researchj on it, versus some other guy who may be a great musician, but who hasn’t ever looked beyond the “truths” that he’s received as child… Well, I know who’ll I’ll go for, every time. Both guy’s opinions are important, but only one of them has the information that will really allow one to put the scene into perspective.

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on Wed Feb 17th 2010 at 20:52:31 Thad

But once again, we are WAAAAAAY off topic here.

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on Wed Feb 17th 2010 at 21:44:47 B. R.

Hermano doesnt come close to the musicians I know, i saw his very good docu by the way, but,he doesnt know as much as Luizao Maia, Gilson Peranzzetta, Barrosinho, Elza Soares, Coco Raiz de Arco Verde, Bernardinho de Nacao Pernambuco,Aurinhna de Coco,Rafael Vernete, Paulo Russo, and many more musicians I have had personal contact with and discussed the hystery of the music.

All due respect to Palaramas do Succeso,they pale in comparison to those musicians I mentioned.

I told you there were differances in African music and similarities. Quit your bad habit of mischaractorising what people say.I have many African records that are all over sub sahara Africa,and they all have 6/8 beats and grooves similar in duple meter as well as specific differances.

If Zulus couldnt get to other parts of Africa, how could Oprahs ancesters wind up on a slave ship to America? You are loosing credibility wth every step here , Thad, you better understand, i know more about music and Brazilian music than you do.

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on Wed Feb 17th 2010 at 22:00:33 B. R.

And samba is huge, it has absorbed many differant styles and aproaches, from marchas, frevo, even funk, but the very essential beat and dance step comes from those samba da rodas. If you know anything about the beat, you could see how it absolutly dominates all the other influences.

Jongo is more in 6/8 and you can see some of their steps in the Porta Bandeira and Mestre Sala, but ,the basic samba step comes from those roda da baianas.

Do you know how to dance the samba, Thad? I do,and not as a week long lesson, Ive been studying it for years. I dont even think Vianna could crack off a decent step.

As an aside , Thad,im getting tired of your condencending atitude. I dont care what you choose to beleive, Ive been in Brazil longer than you have, I know as much about Brazilian music as you know about Brazilian anthropology.

You can choose the Viannas to beleive, but ,ill choose Luizao Maia over him any , any , any day week month or year, and ,Gilson Peranzzetta, Fabinho Costa, Elza Soares and the musicians I know in the North east and the dancers i know from Bahia.

He did make a great docu , like the tragectory of that original film crew that went thoughout Brazil in the 30’s

But I respect the players, not the rock hits guys and their brothers.The people i know could absolutly wipe them out on the bandstand.

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on Thu Feb 18th 2010 at 00:06:34 Thad

Thad, you better understand, i know more about music and Brazilian music than you do…. Ive been in Brazil longer than you have…

Whoah. And I’m being condescending?

I’ll respond in Portuguese, a language we both share. What I’d really like at this point is a PM function. I ask Abagond’s indulgence this once and invite you to continue this discussion over on my blog if you like, B.R., as we’ve really jumped the shark on this one I think. It’s about as far off topic as it could go, now.

Não sei com quem estou falando, B.R. É isto? E devo saber?

Escrevo aqui usando meu próprio nome. Sem ter acesso a seu, não tenho como saber quem você é ou julgar o que deve conhecer. Todavia, você faz afirmações que me soam um tanto forçadas, vindo de um gringo supostamente bem informado e que vive 20+ anos no Brasil.

Por exemplo, tenho que admitir que, quando ouço você qualificar a música africana como sendo total e inteiramente no passo 6/8… Bom, eu conheço várias formas que não são, então isto me coloca em dúvida para com seu grau de conhecimento total da história cultural da que é música, supostamente tão superior a meu. Também tenho que dizer que nunca fui bem impressionado por pessoas que recitam litanias de nomes como resposta aos argumentos dos outros. Soa assim: “Eu devo ser fodão, cara, porque olha só quem são meus amigos.” E, no entanto, qualquer um pode dar uma busca no Wiki e recolher uma lista de nomes. Também já fui para festas com celebridades, e até trabalhei por algumas: isto não quer dizer que conheço bem essa gente, ou que necessariamente aprendi algo com eles.

Mas a questão principal na minha mente é isto: se você conhece tão bem todos aqueles artistas que afirma conhecer profunda e intimamente, e se você tem vivido aqui, como eu, 22 anos… ..então como é que você pode dizer as coisas que você afirma em nossa discussão sobre raça e neurosis no Brasil?

Quero dizer, você é amigo da Elza, mas nunca ouviu ela cantar “A carne mais barata no mercado é a carne negra”…? Como você pode interpretar aquela música e ainda afirma que o Brasil não é psicologicamente “hung up on race”?

Finalmente – e isto é sério, cara – nunca ouvi pessoas como Elza Soares ou Paulo Russo falar mal dos Paralamas. Muito pelo contrário: evidenciam o maior respeito para os caras e suas contribuições significantes à música brasileira. Luizão Maia, em particular, não cuspe no prato de que tanto comeu, sendo amplamente e bem conhecida sua trajetoria pela pop brasileiro. Então me pergunta da onde vem toda essa sua arrogância, sua desqualificação de artistas e intelectuais brasileiros que seus próprios amigos respeitam?

Finalmente, a história e a música são dois campos de conhecimento separados, embora articulados. Luizão pode ser o maior contrabandista da história brasileira mas, pelo que eu saiba, ele nunca publicou uma palavra sequer sobre a história da música. Estou errado? Ou quer me dar uma referência? Pois até agora, meu caro B.R., você é perito em citar nomes de músicos, mas não tão habilidoso em defender suas teorias ao respeito da história cultural da MPB. Dizer “eu sou músico e pronto – cala boca porque conheço mais que você” não é argumento lógico, nem respeitoso.

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on Thu Feb 18th 2010 at 00:42:25 ribkin

Nao tem nada ver pessoal…

Most people on this list do not qualify as black.

If you don’t look like me ( have both black parents and 4 black grandparents ), you are not black.

IMHO Dark is not always synonymous with beautiful.

Southern African black Women > West/Central/Northern Black Women

I really don’t understand the fascination with Brazil, despite what you see on TV, there is a LOT of negative things about their over-sexualized, crime-infested culture.

I don’t give a flying **** about Samba and don’t see how it is relevant to the topic at hand.

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on Thu Feb 18th 2010 at 02:01:24 B. R.

I should always know to cut and paste becaue the blog went out on a long answer, here is the hack version

see about ribkin, I still think the passista is the highest form of black beautiful sensual exitement that you can find in women on the planet, I dont care what you think.

Thad, really , get serious, I respect Palaramos, I respect immensly Hermanos docu, but , can you show me one video they did that they really cut a monster samba? They are fantastic Americanised rock musicians with great Brazilian influences put in. Im talking about some of the greatest musician on the planet, who can stand toe to toe with the greatest musicians anywhere in the world. Do you think they can handle the kind of sophisticated harmonies at the tempo these great musicians can ,or push the samba groove as deep? They sure made more money, are more popular, and , in public of course these people would give them respect.

But Luizao used to come over to my apartment , and we would talk music and I guarentee that he knows his abilities are higher than the Rio rock musicians.Same with Paulo. Do you think he would think Palaramas could be on the same bandstand as he was with Luis Avelar and Carlos Bala and cook the way they did? or with Gilson Peranzzetta?They just couldnt hang, and im not putting them down as much as defending against you using them as a bludgeon .

Luizao innovated how to play samba bass, any bass player playing samba is 3/4 Luizao. Where is Palaramas equal to that? Have you ever heard his music? Banda Bonzai? Kudos if you have, but that is the real Luizao and its histroy and education, and never got recorded . Can you really in any way state what that innovation is? because i know what it is and it just floors me , it bring goose bumps. Can Palaramas play bop like Luizao or Paulo? Heck no

Im puting this up now and continuing my answer…

sorry people this discusion has turned into chinese, but, at least it keeps the thread going…

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on Thu Feb 18th 2010 at 02:19:22 B. R.

Why are you lying about what I said about 6/8 in African music? I didnt say all sub sahara music is in 6/8, I said its in most all of the cultures in sub sahara Africa along with duple meter.

Its part of the African genius, their gift to the world, call responce rhythms with dances specificly made to go with them like none other in the world except their diaspora.

Its like funk has many variations all over the USA, the Oakland stroke, New Orleans meters feel, Miami Cuban influence, New York hard edge slap bass ala Marcus Miller,gogo sound from DC.They all are differant from differant areas but with deep groove…that is the African gift, that deep call responce groove and dances to go along with it, that can release the spirit in a very special way.They tapped into that and gave it to the world and its has dominated the world.

The Zulu steps I saw like samba werent the normal steps of Zulu ive seen, but it floored my how close to samba from Rio it was, and another step like samba from Bahia like they do.But i didnt say they got it directly from them. I said it mus be a step that was passed from tribe to tribe over centuries. A tribe near Mozambique might not have crossed paths but a tribe next to a tribe next to a tribe did.Ive got records from Africa that have all have thier own interpretaions of 6/8 ,using that bell pattern you can find in condomble 6/8, but each one unique.

Its great to have a docu by Hermano, but , its like a jazz dj who knows all the records recorded, knows who the players are, knows can really give you the histroy, but you better get out and see Art Blakey or Elvin Jones play, because they are telling you the histroy in their playing, like Luizao did.

Man, great if you name is out here, but, what am I going to gain from showing you what I do and have you get arrogant with it, because you have been called on your arrogance on here and there is every reason to know you are going to be flipant about any information i give you.

And , sure you speak better Portuguese than me, but i dance better samba than you.I would just butcher a marvelous language to try to write Portugues. You are a college boy, I work the street at night.

Go ahead and bring it up in your blog if you want

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on Thu Feb 18th 2010 at 02:20:09 B. R.

great videos everyone ,i love them and they show there are many differant shades in Africa

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on Thu Feb 18th 2010 at 02:57:53 Thad

B.R., let’s take it over to Ana Paula’s article thread, because that’s really where this debate belongs. My reply to your most recent comments is there:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/black-brazil-in-the-black-gringo-gaze/

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on Thu Feb 18th 2010 at 03:46:42 ribkin

@B.R. “highest form of black beautiful sensual exitement[sic]”

huh?

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on Thu Feb 18th 2010 at 13:51:44 B. R.

If i have to explain that , you arnt going to get it, ribkin

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on Thu Feb 18th 2010 at 14:11:48 Thad

It’s a white boy thing, ribkin, you wouldn’t understand. 😀 😉

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on Thu Feb 18th 2010 at 15:10:40 abagond

Thad:

Thank you for moving the discussion.

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on Thu Feb 18th 2010 at 18:43:13 ribkin

@B.R, don’t worry about ‘explaining’ anything.

@Thad, lol, I figured as much.

I rest my case, I’ve just been schooled about black beauty by a white guy.

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on Tue Feb 23rd 2010 at 03:37:56 B. R.

you tell me ribkin

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on Tue Feb 23rd 2010 at 05:55:32 Shani

South African women have an elegant type of beauty. African American women have a sensuous type of beauty. West African women tend to have a combination of both. East African women who look like Iman have a type of beauty that seems to go back to the beginning of time. North African women and black european women have a classy type of beauty. Carribean women have a magnetic type of beauty. If I missed anyone, I apologize.

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on Tue Feb 23rd 2010 at 11:14:55 B. R.

ribkin seems to think Brazilian women are mixed and not black enough. this video from brazil shows a very dark brazilian woman dancing.

so much for ribkin’s theories

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on Tue Feb 23rd 2010 at 13:52:56 islandgirl

“East African women who look like Iman have a type of beauty that seems to go back to the beginning of time.”

I totally agree with that. Well with everything that you’ve said on that post.

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on Tue Feb 23rd 2010 at 20:10:54 ribkin

I didn’t say Brazilian women were not “dark” enough, and I didn’t say that “darkness” itself was the most component of beauty

I said Brazil that most of the prominent women in their society are not actually black, but mixed or white

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on Tue Feb 23rd 2010 at 22:49:11 B. R.

ahhhh ribkin, its much more than that….

Its about the passista is one of the highest forms of “black beautiful sensual exitement” in women of color, packed in an incredible art of dance and drumming in the Brazilian culture:

Please dont let the color of my skin get in the way of enjoying a cultural phenominon, ( dont mind Thad, he wouldnt know about this)

I mean at least let me know you think these dancers Ive been brining in are black,beautiful , sensual and esiting…..you are making work hard here, ribkin ahhhhhh lol.

People should know , its very common to refer to the passistas as “mulatas”, that is in the titls. The girls themselves refer to each other as that. Its just part of the culture.

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on Tue Feb 23rd 2010 at 23:04:44 ribkin

nice video btw… to each his own. For you, beauty, is interpreted in a highly superficial, sexual manner… the dancers are incredible, don’t get me wrong

it is kinda weird though, to have black women feauturing in clip about ‘mulatas’, in my country mulatos and blacks are two different social classes

B.R. I think you have a sexual attraction to these ‘passistas’, plain and simple, call it whatever you want it, i.e. “highest forms of “black beautiful sensual exitement”… listen to yourself speak. It’s one thing to admire beauty, and another to be a sexual pervert.

You are probably a middle-aged, overweight white guy who lives near a high school and preys on black teens…lol

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on Tue Feb 23rd 2010 at 23:34:34 B. R.

ahhhhhh and Im married to a passista ahhhhhhhhhhhh

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on Tue Feb 23rd 2010 at 23:39:17 B. R.

Its just culture, ribkin, wonderful culture. These are the high leval dancers doing a very hard dance. These are the equivalant of the Boshoi ballet dancers in Russia (meaning the best dancers are).

These dancers go out in public and dance in front of people 8 to 80 in Brazil, they are on public tv at carnival at all hours.

Im having fun with this , anyway, for sure the title is “Most beautiful black women” and I think Im contributing…no?

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on Tue Feb 23rd 2010 at 23:56:45 ribkin

IMO a ‘culture’ that objectifies women in this way is not really much of a culture at all…luckily for you, culture is one of those things that is exempt from criticism.

Somehow this went from being about objective beaty, to subjective beauty… from now on I’ll reserve my judgement about whether a woman is appealing to me until I see her shaking her booty in a thong.

I have a Slavic girfriend who can’t dance to save her life 🙂

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on Wed Feb 24th 2010 at 12:13:41 B. R.

ribkin

Every one has a right to their opinion.

I just would like to point out that, there are many modern dance companies and even some ballet companies in the Western tradition that use nudity in their performances.

The beats and dance steps in these clips (please include all I have brought in in this judgement) are very informed by Afro centric concepts, and by all stretch of the imagination, they reach a high leval by those standards.

Granted , you did say culture is above a kind of judgemental criticism, but, why does this culture have to be sentanced to the bottom of the cultural spectrum?

I never look on this culture as sexual, I call it black, beautuful , sensual , exiting and dificult to master.

and…for and overweight , middle age white guy, its the electricty bolt I need to jump start the old ticker…

dont worry, I would never judge somedodies girl freind by whether they can dance or not…I just love to knock off a few samba steps myself

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on Fri Feb 26th 2010 at 16:06:17 Grey's Anatomy Fanatic

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on Sat Feb 27th 2010 at 04:21:02 silverflyt

Correction-#1 “Vilayna LaSalle”

Her real name is Denise S. (I’ll spare full disclosure of her last name because I don’t want to put her all the way on front street.) I’ve known Denise and her sister Felecia, mother, father and oldest sister since the 4th grade, through elementary, middle, & highschool. Hell, she lived a down the street.

And while gorgeous she definately is (ALWAYS was) it really burns me up that she has told the world she is “mixed” with Brazillian and Creole. That’s just rediculous. Both her parents are African American-not Creole, not Brazillian. She adds that bit of flair to her persona so that she can be classifed as “exotic”, in order to boost her hireability. She’s not proud to be Black.

The sad truth is, “Exotic” models are just more in demand in the hip hop world than “Black” models are, and she knows this. They didn’t care how black she was when she was swinging from a stripper pole after graduation though; I really don’t know why she thinks they will care at this point of her “career” as a C list video vixen or while modeling nude for Playboy.

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on Sun Feb 28th 2010 at 19:25:23 Thad

Ribkin sez:
For you, beauty, is interpreted in a highly superficial, sexual manner… the dancers are incredible, don’t get me wrong.

And the problem with this is…?

IMO a ‘culture’ that objectifies women in this way is not really much of a culture at all.

How about you give us a decent, clear definition of “objectifies women” and then show us a culture which, according to your definition, doesn’t?

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on Fri Mar 5th 2010 at 06:35:11 jose

the nigerians are beautiful miss Genevieve the actress and oluchi the model ie victoria secrets, they are striking with west african features

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on Fri Mar 5th 2010 at 16:19:41 ColorofLuv

Ribkin –

Fale comigo! Quero saber mais da sua definicao de ser “Preto”. O que e isso? Parece que ta pensando como um gringo.

Translation:

Ribkin –

Talk to me! I want to know more about how you define black. What is this? Seems as if you’re thinking like a gringo.

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on Fri Mar 12th 2010 at 02:03:17 they stink

Black people stink!!! and they definitely are not beautiful. They have big lips and its annoying. Except for Gabrielle Union. She is actually something to look at.

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on Mon Mar 15th 2010 at 00:31:54 La Reyna

Is that No_Slappz again?

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on Mon Mar 15th 2010 at 00:46:14 La Reyna

They Stink,

You have no right to come up on this website insulting Black women period. If you think we’re “ugly”, then leave us alone. I don’t cotton to your racist insults.

La Reyna

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on Mon Mar 15th 2010 at 01:24:22 MerriMay

They Stink

Confused much? First black people stink , in the very next line you profess to liking Gabrielle Union, she’s a black woman, simpleton!

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on Mon Mar 15th 2010 at 03:22:21 abagond

They Stink is not a sock puppet of No Slappz.

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on Tue Mar 23rd 2010 at 00:55:29 Leaveumthinking

Abagond what happened to my comment to They stink? How come he can bad talk black people but when the same thing is done to him it gets erased?

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on Tue Mar 23rd 2010 at 01:51:39 abagond

I do not remember. Most likely his comments were about black people in general and yours were about him personally.

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on Fri Mar 26th 2010 at 06:21:51 John Aster

Kudos for Gabrielle Union but where’s Pam Grier and how about Melyssa Ford, Aisha Tyler, Rosanne Katon? Obscure but hot

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on Fri Mar 26th 2010 at 11:25:27 abagond

I never heard of Rosanne Katon. Thanks.

Aisha Tyler is more cute than beautiful, though I did use to watch “Talk Soup” partly just to gaze at her.

I am probably not old enough to truly appreciate Pam Grier. I have never seen any of her films, for example. But even in what bits of “Jackie Brown” that I have seen, where she is 48, she is still good-looking, so she must have been even better in the 1970s.

I did a post on Melyssa Ford. If she is not in Honourable Mentions, then it is probably a mistake:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/melyssa-ford/

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on Tue Apr 6th 2010 at 21:17:26 MAC HARRIS

MOST BEAUTIFULL, COME ON , SAGGING BREAST, CELLULITE AND OUT OF SHAPE BUTTOCKS. LETS GET REAL. MAKE OVERS FOR SURE AND MOST WOMAN WILL LOOK HOT, LETS TALK TRUE BEAUTY AND WHAT HAVE WE GOT. YES TAKE AWAY THE MAKE UP AND HAIRDO’S AND WHAT HAVE WE GOT. LET THE PERVERTS GIVE YOU THE NAMES, THEY ARE TRUELY GOOD WITH THAT AND BEARS NO SHAME. LETS TALK CLASS WHEN WE MENTION BEAUTY. I THINK YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE BIG PICTURE HERE.

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on Wed Apr 7th 2010 at 21:06:51 Obafemi

Ribkin Cameroonian girls and West africans are near to the top because they’re on top! they have natural and classy beauty not sophisticated or fake as some…plus some people seem to have the same advise as abagond anyway each and everyone has it’s own tastes.

Guinee
Senegal
Mali
Chad
Cameroon
Nigeria
Niger
Ivory Coast

This is what you call beauties thanks jessica for the videao!

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on Thu Apr 8th 2010 at 09:00:26 Geri

Thandie Newton is missing from that list. Love her!

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on Mon Apr 12th 2010 at 18:23:27 Neytiri

Mireille Urumuri (from Rwanda) is missing from that list
Blog about her:
http://suzanneinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/04/vancouvers-got-talent-mireille-urumuri.html

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on Mon May 31st 2010 at 10:33:40 Afrika

What about Tyra Banks?

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on Wed Jun 2nd 2010 at 23:14:50 they stink

I never said I liked Gabrielle Union I said black people have big lips and its annoying except Gabrielle Union. She is actually something to look at but she probably stinks too. So therefore I am not confused. I am entitled to my opinion and if you dont like it I really dont care. Deal with it.

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on Wed Jun 2nd 2010 at 23:17:42 Natasha W

^Wow, you reply two months too late just to make that ignorant statement?

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on Wed Jun 2nd 2010 at 23:21:14 leigh204

Wth is this bs about black people having big lips and it’s annoying? That’s utterly ridiculous.

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on Thu Jun 3rd 2010 at 02:53:28 Eurasian Sensation

Hahaha how can someone be annoyed by big lips?

That dude needs to find a better hobby than going around sniffing black people.

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on Thu Jun 3rd 2010 at 02:59:10 Happiness

To be frank, there is good looking and then not so good looking in every race and face.

To the person who says that black people stink…..LOL, sorry, but people of all races can stink, most especially if they fail to keep good hygienic practices.

You can always tell the intelligence level or should I say low logical thinking of some people just by the idiotic comments they make.

When there is a conversation going on, they will always jump in and abuse a person based on race, just ridiculous!

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on Thu Jun 3rd 2010 at 04:33:49 Herneith

That dude needs to find a better hobby than going around sniffing black people.

Maybe he’s got a fetish for it!

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on Fri Jun 11th 2010 at 12:14:31 tony

What?
No Meagan Good?

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on Wed Jun 16th 2010 at 16:00:23 Robin

For me, the list of most beautiful bw goes like this.

1. Somaili
2. Eritreans
3. Fulani
3.West Indians
4. French
5. South Americans

Some West Africans are attractive but alot of the actresses I see in Nollywood movies tend to look a bit mannish and too heavy. Also, big noses are a turn-off for me. But they are alot better looking than most of the women I’ve seen from NC. That’s where that fat donkey Fantasia came from. It’s like they took all of the ugliest black women across the country and decided to put them in one state to kept other people from stoning them to death. Just like what they did to all fat white women and put them in Wisconsin

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on Tue Jun 22nd 2010 at 15:24:48 Sarah

@Robin

I think any black women is beautiful. There is beauty in every race. Im half African American and half Eritrean. But my moms side (African American=west African) take over my dads east African side making me look more west African than Eritrean. I love the habesha looks, they are very distinct, you cant tell a hebasha person walking down the street because of the way they look. Im kinda sad I don’t have more of their looks.

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on Thu Jul 1st 2010 at 17:39:09 Robin

Don’t mind me. I’m very picky when it cames to looks. I’m artist. There are a lot of whites I think ugly as well. Sarah Jessica Parker and Natalie Portman look weird as hell to me. I don’t know how Natalie is able to close your month. I don’t really care about skin color or hair texture. I go more facial features and tend to like slim/lanky figures. All hair textures to me are pretty to me as long it’s long, healthy and soft. It does annoy that when people think black people=West African.

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on Mon Jul 5th 2010 at 23:22:55 Richard Quinton

Not the American ones they are overated like Halle Berry.

I say black brazilians, black women in Africa who are grossely underated and black women in France who seem to have a unique personality. Wish all black women are like this!

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on Mon Jul 5th 2010 at 23:24:06 Richard Quinton

I say black brazilians, black women in Africa who are grossely underated and black women in France who seem to have a unique personality. Wish all black women are like this!

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on Wed Jul 14th 2010 at 03:36:59 shytorie

Wow

I find it really sad concerning some of the statements that are on this page. Beautiful black women have been found all over the world. It not the outward appearance that makes a black women beautiful it’s what she holds on the inside that makes her beautiful. Beautiful is in the eyes God and God only.

You guys are so shallow!

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on Sun Jul 18th 2010 at 21:16:43 Ankhesen Mié

You ranked Cameroon as #1? Merci, cheri…that’s my home!!!!

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on Sun Jul 18th 2010 at 22:56:48 Cherished131

Love your choices. Universal beauty.

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on Thu Aug 5th 2010 at 14:04:03 Dirty Harry

What they all have in common is WHITE DNA in their genes!
If you look at the photos of Black slaves you will see the Negro features. Now when the White man started having sex with the slaves, the White DNA began to change those pronounced Negro features in many Blacks. In the Five Points of New York (The Gangs of New York) lots of White women cohabited with Negros & so the result is that many “Blacks” today do look beautiful. Muhammad Ali had good Irish DNA in his blood.

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on Thu Aug 5th 2010 at 14:13:21 Natasha W

^Really? You sound a little ignorant. By “a little” I mean “very.”

And I don’t know who you’re looking at that is white up there (besides the couple of biracial women). Vilayna Lasalle, Jill Marie Jones, Heather Headley, Aissa Maiga (from Senegal…), etc, are nowehere near white. Lol. You’re not the brightest star, are you?

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on Thu Aug 5th 2010 at 17:24:46 laromana

Dirty Harry says,
What they all have in common is WHITE DNA in their genes!
If you look at the photos of Black slaves you will see the Negro features. Now when the White man started having sex with the slaves, the White DNA began to change those pronounced Negro features in many Blacks. In the Five Points of New York (The Gangs of New York) lots of White women cohabited with Negros & so the result is that many “Blacks” today do look beautiful. Muhammad Ali had good Irish DNA in his blood.

laromana says,
Spoken like a typical ANTI-BW RACIST/HATER MORON.

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on Wed Aug 11th 2010 at 08:04:10 J

abagond, how do you feel about the model oluchi onweagba?

I am, admittedly, a white male. But i think that oluchi is the most beautiful woman i have ever seen with a perfect body (in a white man’s opinion) with a beautiful face and lovely dark skin.

I also think zoe saldana is very pretty as well.

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on Thu Aug 12th 2010 at 09:55:14 kel

Fr,
I have been to ethiopia and i have neva seen so much beauty in one place like that and i think it has the most beauties.u can just stare at a fellow woman for ages in that place

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on Thu Aug 12th 2010 at 18:57:00 cahvelle

ok so im a bit late on seeing this……..i typed in most beautiful black woman hoping to see my name pop up…………… well i think based on all the comments that i’ve seen people on this thing is bein biased. just because you live in africa doesnt mean africans are most beautiful…………. im from jamaica and i think im the most beautiful girl ever…….if you take make up from all these actors they might look like crap………and i dnt say jamaicans are most beautiful…… because i havent been through all the world…………… and i like gabrielle union……..ooooh and when i think of beauty it includes the whole body…….halle berry aint all that because i shape better than her…..

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on Thu Aug 12th 2010 at 19:08:07 Gen

Ehh, is Cahvelle serious?…..

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on Thu Aug 12th 2010 at 19:38:17 cahvelle

serious about wat in particular?

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on Thu Aug 12th 2010 at 19:41:04 Natasha W

cahvelle,

“ok so im a bit late on seeing this…i typed in most beautiful black woman hoping to see my name pop up”

Lol.

Great way to find a blog.

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on Thu Aug 12th 2010 at 19:43:48 cahvelle

shytorie
Wow

I find it really sad concerning some of the statements that are on this page. Beautiful black women have been found all over the world. It not the outward appearance that makes a black women beautiful it’s what she holds on the inside that makes her beautiful. Beautiful is in the eyes God and God only.

You guys are so shallow!

i dnt think you can just look and say that we are shallow. yes we understand that true beauty shines from within, but who would know that……………who truly knows what all these people we are rating are truly like on the inside………i think you should think and not be so intellectual. we are obviously speaking about physical beauty!!!!!!!

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on Thu Aug 12th 2010 at 19:46:21 cahvelle

natasha
im serious im at work and didnt have anything to do and i look at my self through the computer screen and typed in most beautiful black woman………with high expectations too…lol

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on Thu Aug 12th 2010 at 20:05:29 Scipio Africanus

This post is an awesome discussion on the early history of samba, if nothing else.

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on Thu Aug 12th 2010 at 20:48:56 Kim

Hey, wheres Lauryn Hill?

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on Fri Aug 13th 2010 at 20:35:50 abagond

Cahvelle:

Please do not post other people’s email addresses.

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on Fri Aug 13th 2010 at 20:59:01 Genna

wat???????????? how comes???
i think some people need to be added to this list. and some that actually are black……….have you ckecked out the jamaican singer cherine anderson?

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on Fri Aug 13th 2010 at 21:02:01 abagond

Genna/Cahvelle:

This is getting bad. I do not allow sock puppets. This is a warning. If you continue to go by any other name than Cahvelle, then I will ban you.

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on Sat Aug 14th 2010 at 17:52:24 leona

Cameroon any time any day natural, classy beauty and charm comng from this beautiful country!! Yes abagond you know what beauty means thanks for us

Cameroooooooooon

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on Mon Aug 16th 2010 at 12:58:21 Hinwa Ahmed

Hi am a lady not beautiful lady but medium I want send my photo but I don’t know how can I send it

thanks

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on Wed Sep 8th 2010 at 02:42:07 perawan desa

what about laura gemser…? i think she was the most beautiful black girl too…wasn`t she ???

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on Wed Sep 8th 2010 at 03:07:32 RDKirk

I also vote for Cameroon.

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on Mon Sep 20th 2010 at 09:02:05 vindicator

In all honesty, I could never pick a top 10 when it comes to black women. It’s just so damn hard

There’s too many hot ones. Maybe later!

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on Mon Sep 20th 2010 at 10:38:54 wellissanè

abagond here is a view of what black beauty is…and why you’re right about Cameroon

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-403748.0.html

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on Wed Sep 22nd 2010 at 21:07:14 Rachel

Strange at least 6 out of the 10 are mixed race, so what does this prove black women need a bit of white blood to make it? Odd list.

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on Sat Oct 9th 2010 at 00:30:52 Eden

I really like this website. I love how we embrace Black beauty. I understand there might be a debate about which type of Black women look better, but its expected because we are human, and we have different perspectives. I am personally Nigerian. I’m not being conceited but I have been told I am beautiful, but sometimes I feel insecure because I feel that I might be second-grade compared to a White woman. The thoughts haunt me so many times. However, I am improving. I believe that beautiful Black women are found everywhere, no matter their nationality. Perhaps, the best looking Black women are from Brazil, the West Indies, West Africa and East Africa (not in order). Still, there are beautiful Black women everywhere. Let us not forget that.

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on Fri Oct 22nd 2010 at 11:58:19 liltiz

coming from the heart ,i think somailan girls are the best look in afica and from ghana

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on Fri Oct 22nd 2010 at 15:53:05 Natasha W

Rachel, 6 out of 10 are not mixed; only the last two are. Mixed meaning more mixed than the average person in the Americas.

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on Fri Oct 22nd 2010 at 19:02:04 eloo

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on Sun Oct 24th 2010 at 21:17:00 William

Sorry your list is not even close.

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on Sat Nov 6th 2010 at 04:26:44 brenda nakaja

Ten most beautiful ladies from Southern Sudan

Alek Wek (Model)
Suraya Issa ( Miss Sudan canada)
Atong Arjok (Model)
Ayok mondyit ( Miss Southern Sudan)
Akuol diing (model)
Eunice malath ( Miss Southern Sudan)
josephine rukia ( Model)
Agowa omot ( model)
Nyabel lual (Model)
nathalie Zambakari ( Miss Southern Sudan)

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on Sat Nov 6th 2010 at 05:04:59 King

SuuuuDaaaan!!!

Why have you excluded Angelique Deng???

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on Sat Nov 6th 2010 at 05:10:06 King

OOooPS never mind, she’s just spelled differently!

I like your list, brenda!

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on Tue Nov 9th 2010 at 19:51:26 sepultura13

Great list – I hadn’t had a chance to glance it over until today.

Nice to see that you include dark-skinned AND light-skinned women, regardless of your personal preference! : )

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on Thu Nov 11th 2010 at 07:55:37 Alexa

Liya Kedebe, Sesliee lopez, Emanuela de Paula, Jordan Dunn, Chanel Iman, Arlenis Sosa, Jessica White…. they are black or mixed with black models who are also very beautiful.

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on Sat Nov 13th 2010 at 19:16:04 medium

i like that this post show you some beautifull black women. i just don’t like the links with the thick, thin, fat etc. i think its disrespectfull kinda being hypocritical. showing beautifull black women is one thing. but categorizing them stems another problem. it can be defensive and i think the person that post it was trying to do something positive. but then made it personal.

excuse my spelling

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on Sat Nov 13th 2010 at 21:27:41 Stephen

I’m a northern Italian man…blonde hair & Blue eyes. I worked in the projects of Chicago for several years. There I saw some of the most beautiful black women in my entire life. From the look of regalness to hip hop. I’ve always respected and am in awe of a black woman’s beauty! Very cool subject thread, looks like it will go on forever!

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on Thu Nov 18th 2010 at 16:19:22 haingo

Very good list, however I think you failed to mention East African Women in your ranking, some of which include Ethiopians, Burundians, Sudanese, Rwandans and Somalian women as gorgeous. Proof being some of the famous runway models being from some of these countries.

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on Thu Nov 18th 2010 at 17:40:40 abagond

Haingo:

I have not seen enough East Africans to judge – just runway models and the war refugees you see on television. I think they do well as models because whites come from East Africans.

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on Thu Nov 18th 2010 at 18:05:23 Usagi

I have not seen enough East Africans to judge – just runway models and the war refugees you see on television. I think they do well as models because whites come from East Africans

Why is it that everything someone brings up East Africans, there alwasys some back hand remark about us? We’re just as Black as so-called real “Blacks”. Blacks came from the East, too. We make very good models because we’re beautiful and thin. Stop hatin’. The cradle of life was said to begin in Ethiopia, not Mali or the Gold Coast or whatever you claim are true “Blacks” Just because your nose and butt have their own zipcode doesn’t mean that you’re more of African beauty than me.

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on Thu Nov 18th 2010 at 18:58:45 Shan

Top 10 Countries with the most beautiful black women:

1. America
2. Trinidad and Tobago
3. Nigeria
4. Ethiopia
5. Somalia
6. Egypt
7. Bahamas
8. Jamaica
9.France
10. Brazil

This is based on what I’ve seen from my travels, beauty pageants, immigrants, and other media, so of course it’s a little skewed. LOL

My top 10 most beautiful black women of any nationality:

1. Dorothy Dandrige (American)
2. Whitney Houston (American) of course in her early days; such a bright smile
3.Jayne Kennedy (American)
4.Iman (Somalian)
5.Lauryn Hill (American)
6.Mpule Kwelagobe (Botswana) Miss Universe
7.Pam Grier (American)
8.Wendy Fitzwilliam (Trinidad and Tobago) Miss Universe
9. Lena Horne (American)
10 .Phylicia Rashad (American)

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on Sat Nov 20th 2010 at 11:36:17 ifeanyi

Seriously I’m Nigerian and I traveled over the continent, ans seriously I’ve seen a lot of natural beauty in Cameroon, with classy good looking especially a girl named Naoumie Ekkiko she’s so stunning , then Angola, Mali, Bortswana got some gorgeous girls too, but as for Nigeria yes we got some pretty girls but sometimes too sophuisticated.

My top 10

Botswana
Cameroon
Angola
Mali
Senegal
Ivory Coast
Nigeria
South Africa
ZIMBABWE
Kenya

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on Sat Nov 20th 2010 at 16:00:29 abagond

Naoumie Ekiko is amazing! If she was famous enough to be in the Wikipedia, she would be on this list.

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on Mon Nov 22nd 2010 at 10:44:27 cecile

Yes abagond and ifeanyi in Cameroon we have the chance to have some of the most natural beauties in Africa and I really proud of if, diverse and plenty beauty which is the result of 250 people and groups from the whole continent that s why Cameroon is called AFRICA IN MINATURE….

check this out

African are just wouah but Cameroonians are naturally super….

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on Sat Nov 27th 2010 at 00:36:06 Jesper Svensson

Wow, really? You didn’t include Somalia, Ethiopia or other countries? I’m not the only one shocked, other echoed the sentiment. Based on my extensive travels around the world, I’ve made my own list below:

My list:
1. Somalia
2. Ethiopia/Eritrea (they have a name since they’re kind of the same people starts with an H, Habash or something)
3. Rwanda
4. Ivory Coast
5. Namibia
6. Djibouti
7. Niger
8. Kenya
9. Senegal

I’ve been to Somalia, before the war started when I was a child (my parents were missionaries there) and let me tell you, there are far greater ravishing beauties there that outshine Iman and I do consider Iman as being beautiful.

My list of beautiful black women are
1. Hawa Ahmed
2. Sara Nuru
3. Yasmin Warsame
4. Sessilee Lopez
5. Oluchi Onweagba
6. Kerry Washington
7. Jeneil Williams

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on Wed Dec 1st 2010 at 01:08:14 J

I enjoyed this list.

I don’t think these are the most beautiful black women though, not even close! I see two or three stunning black ladies nearly every week here in the UK that are so much hotter we are talking whole orders of magnitude and not just a few degrees. That number goes up if I have to travel through London on public transport or on foot as I encounter more people that way.

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on Sat Dec 4th 2010 at 15:37:09 medium

there is alot of beautifull black women this list is not big enough. first runner up in miss universe yendi phillips(she is jamaican) should have definately been on it. she is more stunning.

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on Sun Jan 2nd 2011 at 20:07:00 Luca De Beau

I don’t understand how this is any different from the White goddess site that you blasted on…it’s no different.

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on Sun Jan 2nd 2011 at 20:19:06 King

Oh come on Luca! This post is simply a list of Abagond’s choices for the 10 most beautiful Black women.

– Where above does he say that Black women are objectively “the most beautiful?”

-Where does Abagond say that Black women are “superior?”

-Where does he downgrade the looks of white women?

Can you see the difference now?

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on Sun Jan 2nd 2011 at 20:28:22 Herneith

I don’t understand how this is any different from the White goddess site that you blasted on…it’s no different.

Well for one thing, he hasn’t posted pictures of a bunch of broads with their t8ts, a22, and tw4ts exposed for one. Try another angle!

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on Sun Jan 2nd 2011 at 20:36:03 leigh204

Are you serious, Luca? Something tells me that you are.

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on Mon Jan 3rd 2011 at 02:25:45 Charlene

To me Cameroon has the most exotic girls in West and Central Africa, maybe I am being biased!! I am half-Cameroonian and half-Jamaican!! But that is where the most slave trade happened, and I know from my Cameroonian side, I have spanish, chinese, arab, portugease and brazillian. And Jamaicans are gorgeous too, they are soooooo beautiful, and I know that this side of me has moxture of everything, but… Opinions ain’t facts, so get over it. Oh… I would say Somali tie with Cameroon then West Indies. And to me Rihanna does not have white features, all she has is light skin. Someone with European features would be Iman. And Beyoncè has more Aftican than Naomi Campbe. Bey is half black, half creole (black with other significent ethnicities in the blood) while Na is half Jamaican (stand up) half chinease.

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on Mon Jan 3rd 2011 at 02:45:15 medium

@herineth

you told him, good and proper
we need to say no more

lol
i’m cracking up

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on Mon Jan 3rd 2011 at 03:15:23 BleuParfum

In my opinion Black American women, hands down, are the most beautiful Black women in the world.

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on Mon Jan 17th 2011 at 14:13:20 LEANNA

Charlene got it right Cameroonian women are so hot and shapeful, so diversed beauties and body in this country, I’m not from there I’m Tanzanian where women are really hot too, in Cameroon women are different from where you are geographically speaking, the Hausa and Bantus beauties are so representated well up there you can just look at it on the street.

I would say Cameroon, Angola, Tanzania, Guinea Conakry and Nigeria.
East African are charming as well but used to have the same kind of beauty.

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on Sat Jan 22nd 2011 at 19:38:11 The Truth

1st of all, how can you name the most beautiful black women without mentioning Halle Berry and Zoe Saldana,

2nd, Jennifer Lopez is the most beautiful sexy desirable gorgeous stunning woman of all time bar none. She is better looking today than ever.

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on Sun Mar 6th 2011 at 22:43:08 dan

nice n send me more info on beautiful black women

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on Tue Mar 8th 2011 at 17:26:16 White man marries a Congolese woman

Nice blog about the most beautiful black woman. As a white man who married a very beautiful Congolese woman about more than a year ago i couldn’t disagree. African women are truly something to truly behold they have unbelievable beauty and they are sophisticated, sleek and sexy. The opinions of were the most beautiful African women come from are just opinions and thats thats. As they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder……

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on Tue Mar 8th 2011 at 20:10:47 Usagi

Somaili Women are beautiful. I love the way guntiinos look.

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on Thu Mar 10th 2011 at 17:38:08 Tom

The black women in South Africa are very beautiful. They typically have high cheekbones and fine strong faces.

I call it God’s joke: putting one of the world’s most beautiful black races right next to one of the world’s ugliest white races. Hard to believe that apartheid didn’t work the other way round!

..and before anyone gets their knickers in a twist: I am white and know that I’m making sweeping stereotypical and superficial statements. I know that not all of my white South African cousins look like crap. Take Charlize Theron for example (ok… nobody mention her role in Monster).

The truth is that the world is full of a wonderful mix of beautiful and ugly people of all shapes and colours.

I’ve just got to figure out a way of nabbing me one of the beautiful ones before she notices how ugly I am.

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on Fri Mar 11th 2011 at 04:58:53 Ghouroub

hi
I really love black woman exept her lips

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on Sun Mar 13th 2011 at 18:59:11 mids

Well the reason Halle Berry and Zoe Saldana shouldnt be on the list is becasue they are both mixed. I want to see full on black women with the natural kinky hair texture here.
The One Drop Rule is stupid and makes no sense, just like the people who made it. How can “black” cancel out “white”. It’s like mixing blue and yellow and calling it blue when it’s obviously green.

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on Thu Apr 14th 2011 at 00:23:36 redpanda

AMBER-JOI WATKINS is the most beautiful black woman EVER!!!!!!!she is miss pennsylvania. the most gorgeous white woman EVER is KATE BEAVER….. go to imdb.com and type in actress kate beaver

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on Thu Apr 14th 2011 at 03:49:44 Usagi

You’re right Red Panda, she’s very pretty. I love Emilie Autumn.
http://www.bryanreesman.com/blog/2009/11/30/emilie-autumns-personal-asylum-part-one/

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on Wed Apr 20th 2011 at 22:05:24 Anon

“Sarah

@Robin

I think any black women is beautiful. There is beauty in every race. Im half African American and half Eritrean. But my moms side (African American=west African) take over my dads east African side making me look more west African than Eritrean. I love the habesha looks, they are very distinct, you cant tell a hebasha person walking down the street because of the way they look. Im kinda sad I don’t have more of their looks.”

Wow. I have never heard of that mix before. Eritrean mixed with African American!? I’m Eritrean myself and can’t believe it lol not saying you are lying but I have never heard of an Eritrean being with an African American,
if we marry non Eritreans (which is rare) we tend to marry white so it’s very surprising to hear of an Eritrean marrying an African American 🙂
And yes we do have very recessive genes which is why we tend not to marry non Eritreans.

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on Thu Apr 21st 2011 at 05:08:24 Anonymous

Well I would recommend to start researching up East Africans because there are plenty of well known ones such as Models Iman/Waris and many other

Have a look at this video

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on Wed May 4th 2011 at 00:19:03 lacongolia

Yeah so you know alot about black women! I like the fact that
you put Congolese women on number 2, I am also from congo(RDC) and I am proud of it! Keep up the good work

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on Thu May 19th 2011 at 20:18:08 Fluffy

What about Jasika Nicole?

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on Mon May 23rd 2011 at 15:30:45 saira

what is this……..black beauty…….. today fashion is black beauty…..what i imagine its here itself…..

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on Wed May 25th 2011 at 19:35:40 ...........

I don’t really understand why you’ve put Brazil and Columbia in the list because there of a different ethnic group, and you should really include some Eritreans because although there aren’t many famous Eritrean women they are have been the most beautiful women I’ve came across- they have beautiful eyes and faces and they have lovely hair as well its really soft, thick and grows quite long.

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on Wed Jun 8th 2011 at 10:30:35 LeaderDesslok

DAVIDA PHILLIPS is the most beautiful african-american woman on the planet!!! She’s an NBA dancer for the philadelphia 76ers!!!2nd to her, is miss pennsylvania 2011 miss amber-joi watkins. the most beautiful woman of ANY nationality though is a young lady named kate beaver. (imdb.com = kate beaver)

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on Wed Jun 8th 2011 at 22:28:25 bpcheer

LeaderDesslok,

You have great taste! Pageant girls and professional cheerleaders.:)

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on Thu Jun 9th 2011 at 01:05:14 leigh204

Black women are absolutely gorgeous! I think fashion model, Fatima Siad, is stunning!

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on Thu Jun 9th 2011 at 02:28:23 King

Wow, she IS beautiful! Thanks Leigh!!

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on Thu Jun 9th 2011 at 02:44:17 leigh204

Here she is once again. I love her features!

She has one of the best side profiles I’ve ever seen.

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on Fri Jun 10th 2011 at 12:38:15 Baiye Gordon

In my opinion beauty should be “racialised” because every race has unique features. In Southern Africa a women is considered not sexy if she is having “flat behind” like the Chinese. while in senegal or somalia, a women with ” Ikebe super” (Nigerian slang for big bums) as weird.

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on Fri Jun 10th 2011 at 18:09:40 Usagi

@ Baiye Gordon
That’s true. I’m part Somaili and I have the body type (long torso,legs, and flat behind) I do find really big butts like Buffie and Jeniefer Lopez weird. Some people thinks it’s weird for me not to want a big butt, but I like being flat. I prefer to be thin and lanky or being thick. I don’t get the appeal. Nikki Minaj and Angel lov shouldn’t got those butt injections. They look like cartoons to me.

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on Thu Jul 7th 2011 at 13:14:04 nunya

this site and blog is useless. If u r going to name or talk about black women, first make sure u have a black woman, and make sure ur speaking about a BLACK WOMEN because u can mislead people, and from what u have on here most are not black nor do they conduct as being or engage in being black.

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on Fri Jul 8th 2011 at 14:47:24 Hannu L

@nunya

Define ‘black’ for starters.

While you’re at it, I’ll define ‘white’.

Ladies and gentlemen, drop your gloves.

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on Sat Jul 16th 2011 at 20:53:54 Frankie Fame

A great list with some inspired choices! Well done!

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on Wed Jul 20th 2011 at 15:42:26 cherry

Cameroonians have it all!! and you’re damn right shape, curves, natural and diverse beauty Naoumie Ekkiko is what I call a true beauty but there are plenty of them and better in Cameroon

http://www.myspace.com/missafricausapageant/photos/17333091#%22ImageId%22%3A17333091

http://www.lionnes.com/blog/?p=1211
and all the women and guys in pictures are Cameroonians

http://baobab-magazine.com/?p=71

http://www.modelmanagement.com/model/pamela-djambou/photos/

http://yenihsworld.blogspot.com/2011/05/cameroonian-model-madeleine-glatz.html

That’s what Africa in Miniature aka Cameroon’s got and many many more I’m sooo proud

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on Mon Aug 15th 2011 at 02:51:46 The Cynic

I don’t know about the entire world, but the most beautiful black women in Hollywood is Kerry Washington. Hands down.

http://tinyurl.com/3vtjcey

Damn this woman is effortlessly sexy. I dare someone to find a prettier famous black chick. If she exist, I want to know who she is!

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on Mon Aug 15th 2011 at 03:23:54 SunnyDAlum

@ The Cynic

Mm…Kerry Washington…very beautiful lady.

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on Mon Aug 29th 2011 at 17:40:45 Arrafepem

Hello, your post is very invaluable for me. I shall keep an eye on your web site. Please do update.

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on Thu Sep 1st 2011 at 00:10:00 graig

Aaliyah

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on Thu Sep 1st 2011 at 12:57:56 Geno

time to update the list ,gotta get ya ya decosta on there.. she gets much love

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on Mon Sep 5th 2011 at 15:11:26 Gerald-Paul

My man, clearly you have not been to Tanzania or Rwanda. I am original African and I have been all over the continent, but to me I think Tanzania has the most beautiful girls in the world…and I am Ugandan!

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on Tue Sep 20th 2011 at 04:57:20 Tina

Hey. I didn’t see Renee Elise Goldsberry’s name on the list. Google Ms. Renee. She is an awesome actress, singer, and song writer. I don’t believe you forgot her. She is most beautiful.

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on Tue Sep 20th 2011 at 05:26:04 King

^ Even worse, he doesn’t have Tika Sumpter

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on Wed Sep 21st 2011 at 08:49:24 James

Sorry people but your list is wrong.My wife is not on your list.My wife is the most beautifull woman on the planet and I am a lucky guy to have found her.We met on Afrointroductions.com and she is from Rwanda.She is beautifull and has the complete package along with a great personality.I know someone has to be married to the most beautifull girl in the world and I am glad it is me.Don’t be jealous there are some out there that might be close

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on Thu Sep 22nd 2011 at 02:44:10 moesha

This is my list
Somali
Eritereans
Ethiopians
Berundi
kenyans
Ghambian
Angola
….The most Breath takin woman r somalis Most of them r covered up but still you see thier beauty ..imagine their long naural hair ..And the most perfect bone structure Breath takin’ people ..With that caramel or dark chokelte skin ..just cant beat that for sure PS iman isnt all that

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on Sat Oct 29th 2011 at 02:36:56 bims

@James

aww thats so sweet. Hope you guys have a wondeful thanksgiving/christmas

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on Sun Oct 30th 2011 at 10:10:58 karl winchell

Great comments from all. African women are so traditionally beautiful, and african american woman have a diverse beauty. Yes, Angelia Bassett is the great example, and one to be on the top ten. A classically trained actress from an Ivy league school who pumps up in the gym to play the lead of the greatest sista of all (Tina Turner). Well that’s brains and muscle,and the sexyist thing of all, at least from a man’s point of view!

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on Mon Nov 28th 2011 at 11:14:56 mbali

nonhle thema and aldecia molaudzi from south africa i think she should be on the list, please add

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on Sun Dec 4th 2011 at 18:20:34 Lenny

I think your view of beauty is “the more sub-saharan a woman looks, the more beautiful you think she is”. If we look at beauty on a broader scale where it’s not “African beauty standards”, and rather look at it in a universal scale, none of the women you mentioned would make the list coz not everyone digs the whole “African beauty” thing.
Beyonce, Halle Berry and Alicia Keys are waaaaay better looking than the women you listed (Combined).
1. Ethiopians
2. Somalis
3. Kenyans(Not all but the Kikuyus, Swahilis and Taitas only)
4. Nigerians(lgbos to be precise)

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on Sun Dec 4th 2011 at 20:11:49 abagond

@ Lenny

This is my list and this is what I dig. Screw being “universal”, which in most cases is just a nice way of saying “white” and so is hardly universal at all! White people make up less than a fourth of the world. Beyonce, Halle Berry and Alicia Keys are all beautiful women, of course, but to me they are not waaaaay better looking than the women I listed. Hardly.

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on Sun Dec 4th 2011 at 20:16:02 Gen

Newsflash “universal scales” of beauty is bullshit.

If we look at beauty on a broader scale where it’s not “European beauty standards”, and rather look at it in a universal scale, none of the women you mentioned would make the list coz not everyone digs the whole “European beauty” thing.

Wake up.

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on Wed Dec 7th 2011 at 13:08:55 Ngarunyi

The African west coast has its beauties, but heck thy are mere candles to East Africa’s suns

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on Tue Dec 13th 2011 at 08:36:13 Mutenhesanwa

Who ever wrote or composed this list – has never been to South africa, trust me – South africa does not only have the most beautiful black ladies in the orld. it has the most beautiful ladies in the world.
The list was suppose to be named the 10 most popular black ladies in the world.
Trust me on this one – come to South Africa and before you get back to you home you would have relisted your list…

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on Tue Dec 13th 2011 at 08:44:35 Mutenhesanwa

THis is my list..

South Africa
Swaziland
Botswana
Tanzania
Ivory Coast
Cameroon
Jamaica
Trinidad
Barbados
United States of america

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on Tue Dec 13th 2011 at 12:56:31 Nom De Plume

I think Angela Bassett is just gorgeous. It’s like the older she gets, the more beautiful she becomes.

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on Tue Jan 24th 2012 at 19:46:58 Paul

Man it took me this long to stumble across this blog and its golden list of ladies … definitely some of the hottest listed here and mentioned in follow-up statements as well.
I didn’t see Vivica Fox or Garcelle Beauvais mentioned or did I over look them somewhere. And I was really surprised that Halle B didn’t make your cut .. I know its your list but she’s Halle B!

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on Tue Jan 24th 2012 at 20:12:45 abagond

@ Paul

People keep asking that so I wrote a post about it:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/halle-berry-is-not-the-most-beautiful-black-woman-in-the-world/

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on Sat Jan 28th 2012 at 13:40:28 Paul

Man I took the time to read your other post that you directed me to above. After doing so, I have to say that I see your point clearly. I have to face the funk when its all funked up like that. Enjoyed your post

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on Sat Feb 25th 2012 at 21:55:23 Blonderay

None of them are black except the one who works in France. They all seem a mixture to me.

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on Fri Mar 30th 2012 at 17:23:16 Steve

I like Nicki Minaj.

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on Sat Mar 31st 2012 at 10:23:29 deep

She may be gone but i consider Aaliyah to be the most beautiful woman who ever lived black white or yellow, should be on the top spot. May she rest in peace.

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on Sun Apr 22nd 2012 at 20:46:58 Lalala

Everybody needs to relax….geez, everybody cannot be on his personal list, make your own list! I am West Indian….no not indian…but black from the West Indies. I could sit here and argue all day long that Trinis are the most beautiful, but no country or region has the most beautiful. You can have your opinion and leave it at that as abagond has. That being said however, there could be greater representation of black West Indian women on this blog and will be making some suggestions soon enough.

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on Fri Jun 1st 2012 at 07:04:43 James

You are right Africa has some of the most beautifull woman, I should know I married the most beautifull and sexiest woman there.

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on Fri Jun 1st 2012 at 08:32:29 BobbyDZ3

The best love I eveer had was with the most beautiful Black woman I ever dated. I’m white and I rather make love with a beautiful black woman than a white woman. Ican’t stop thinking about her. I want her again.

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on Wed Jun 6th 2012 at 18:18:31 Pardonme

Forgive me, this may be a bit off topic. However, I’ve noticed a trend in some of the comments posted under this article.

I’ve noticed that quite a few commenters are fevent advocates of being termed “mixed” rather than being considered “black”.

“Also, the one drop rule is the reason why WE’RE all seen as black. Not a mixture.”

As unfortunate as this may seem, America is not the only nation that’s under the influence of the “one drop rule”. If you don’t believe me, google the experiences of mixed french models ( having a black parent and white parent). See what the global fashion industry has to say about them.

This may sting to hear, but, as far as most non-black people are concerned, we’re all black. Wether you look like Halle Berry, Zoe Saldana, or Naomi Campbell. The differences that we see mean little to the majority of non-black people, at lease outside of Latin America.

I have two black parents. However, both of their lineages are heavily mixed with white relatives. I am mixed. I consider myself black because that part of my heritage is seen by most non-black people (many of whom, will be responsible for considrering my resumé to J.P. Morgan’s department for financial analysts.) I have come to terms with that. Mainly because “black” people in this country look foolish when we aruge about these differences.

We should really be more concerened with economic growth and education amongst “blacks”. When we achieve more economic clout, non-blacks will want to recognize our “mixed” ethnic backgrounds.

By the way, Vilayna Lasalle is rightfully at the top of this list. This woman literally won the genetic lottery. Her genes lined up in such a way that produced an extraordinarily lovely being. I can honestly say that I would not want to stand next to her in a photo shoot :P.

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on Thu Jun 14th 2012 at 08:39:02 jack

90%of the bleautiful black women are mixed because they have indian blood in them from past 200 years and all of the jamaican population have indian blood in them.this is because the british and french took large number of indian slaves with them every where

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on Fri Jun 22nd 2012 at 08:55:01 Buster McDermott

I believe their beauty is a given gift. I finally found this list of Hottest Black Girls Under 40. I enjoyed it so much. http://www.ranker.com/list/the-30-hottest-black-girls-under-40/greg

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on Wed Sep 5th 2012 at 15:26:13 jully

every african is beautiful

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on Mon Nov 12th 2012 at 18:35:36 Paul

Fatou N’diaye should be here

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on Tue Nov 27th 2012 at 19:27:35 saikou

I suggest you visit East Africa especially Ethiopia. Well I expect you to mention The Gambia in your ranking since you have mention Senegal which surround The Gambia on all three sides but is country of its own.

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on Wed Dec 5th 2012 at 04:25:23 delredd

MS. DENISE MATTHEWS AKA VANITY IS ULTRA BEAUTIFUL!!! I LOVE HER 2 THE END OF TIMES.

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on Thu Jan 31st 2013 at 03:04:15 Adeen

I love this list! I agree with most of the women on this list except Naomi Campbell.
I find Sanaa Lathan, Jill Marie Jones etc to be very beautiful women and don’t get me started on Angela Bassett. I find Gabrielle Union to be beautiful as well.

@Jack
You are ignorant! Black women don’t have to be mixed to be beautiful!

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on Fri Mar 29th 2013 at 03:09:37 King

90%of the bleautiful black women are mixed because they have indian blood in them from past 200 years and all of the jamaican population have indian blood in them.this is because the british and french took large number of indian slaves with them every where”

Where do people get these ridiculous figures from? Imagine 90% of Blacks mixed with Indians! Thats higher than the percentage mixed with Whites.

But also, notice the dimwit path of racist illogic:

– All Black women are ugly / but What about the ones everyone says aren’t?
– OK, then MOST Black women are ugly / Then explain the beauty?
– Well, ALL the beauty comes from other races / How many blacks are mixed?
– 90% of them!!!! They’re almost ALL mixed!!!

Hmmm… OK so if 9 out of 10 of Black women are mixed with “Indians blood” then are 90% of Black women beautiful then?

NO!!!

Then are 90% of Indian women beautiful? Isn’t that even higher than the percentage of beautiful White women?

NO!!!!!!

Then are they only beautiful when they get mixed together? Is there some kind of Black/Indian genetic beauty magic that happens?

%^*$%%$$*@#@!!!!!!

“Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.”

Proverbs 17:28

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on Fri Mar 29th 2013 at 03:23:24 mary burrell

@ King, Wise observation brother. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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on Thu May 9th 2013 at 01:42:57 danja derring

VANITY IS A VERY BEAUTIFUL WOMEN she’s a reborn christian now. she’s still beautiful & i still love her 2 she’s the 7th wonder of the world.

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on Thu Sep 5th 2013 at 20:21:38 Asplund

If anyone is interested, there is an Ethiopian model named Ferajgenet Melaku- in my opinion she is the most beautiful woman in the world.

She did a repose of the famous Betty Grable rear shot, but looks a lot better in my opinion.

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on Wed Nov 27th 2013 at 03:47:54 Maal Wayya

There are so many beautful women in Africa, but who will introduce them for the world? pls advertize the beauty of African women.

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on Wed Jul 9th 2014 at 11:52:05 gj

I think Ethiopian women are about the prettiest in the world.

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on Wed Jul 23rd 2014 at 04:33:30 Déborah M

I know some beautiful West/Central African women. Even though some of them are not famous enough to be on Wikipédia, they are worth googling:

Tiguida Sissoko

Edwige Badakou

Maria Borges

Katoucha Niane

Joëlle Kayembe

Hapsatou Sy

Teiko Dornor

Leila Lopes

Jackie Appiah

And this is a video of black women (mostly every day French black and mixed women along with famous black women):

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej-t6vrbXek)

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on Tue Aug 12th 2014 at 03:58:59 gj

Generally, I think mixed women are the most attractive…the more mixed the better looking.
In Africa, I think the most attractive women are from Ethiopia, then Somalia/Eritrea. I have had the most exposure to Central African (from West, Central, and East) women. I don’t know the women from North Africa or Southern Africa so well.
If you are looking for a wife/girlfriend, I highly recommend Addis Abeba. The food there is also VERY nice!
namaste

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on Thu Aug 21st 2014 at 22:02:10 Marie

I’m a mix up of(french&africain from my mum & muslim asian & africain) from my dad, so I’m much more africain but its difficult to know where I come from 😉

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on Sat Nov 22nd 2014 at 20:28:11 claire

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Shakespeare expressed this in Love ‘s Labours Lost:

” beauty, though but mean
Needs not the painted
flourish of your praise:
Beauty is bought by
judgement of the eye,
Not utter’d by base sale of
chapmen’s tongues”

I live in Cape Town, South Africa where some of the most beautiful women in the world live. There is a great diversity to our looks, testament to a complex cultural heritage. It is very special to behold beautiful South African Black women because just the other day during Apartheid we were made out to be ugly by whites. I think many do not how beautiful they are and still compare themselves unfavourably to white women.

I think BBW increase their beauty when they have less accoutrements, make-up, weaves, etc.

In my travels in Africa and abroad, I have seen many heart stopping beautiful black women. BBW have that unique ineffable something, but I won’ t go into which region or “race” has the most beautiful women. Comparisons are odious. I think there are beautiful women the world over.

For my list of BBW, these are some of the women( in the media) whom I think are the epitome of beauty. Shari Belafonte, to me, is the most beautiful of any nationality.The rest are in no particular order:

1. Shari Belafonte: American actress
2. Naomi Campbell: British supermodel
3. Iman: Ethiopian model
4. Alice Walker: Great American writer
5 .Hlubi Mboya: South African actress
6 Bonang Matheba: South African celebrity.
7 .Lena Horn: Great American Jazz singer
8. The young Whitney Houston: Great American singer
9 Vanessa Williams: American actress
10: Diana Ross: Great American singer

Special mentions of the exquisite aesthetic of the BBW: Miss Botswana Miss Universe: Mpule Kwelagobe Dorothy Dandridge; Dianne Carrol; Thandie Newton; ; Joelle Kayembe, Josephine Baker ; Arlensis Sosa Pena; Damara Lewis and many more.
I can see how Beyoncé can be considered beautiful although I don’t like her music and don’ t quite know what all the fuss is about. Same goes for Halle Berry. Alek Wek might beautiful in real life, and perhaps not photogenic.

There’s something very special about Ethiopian women. There is a regality and self assurance there, that I intuit has something to do with not being colonized by whites. The Himba women, of Namibia ,too, are arresting.

I understand Black to be: i a positive identification of all people who are not white. Under this umbrella, there all the combinations of mixed heritage of African descent. It is also shorthand and neutral for all the diverse people of African descent.
Just commenting here on different beauties, brings to mind how wonderfully diverse we earthlings are.

Thank you Mr Abagond for your superb blog.

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on Sun Mar 13th 2016 at 10:01:45 B

You forgot the late great Whitney Houston and Paula Patton.

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on Sun Mar 13th 2016 at 10:42:12 King

@ claire

“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”

Yet, I think that most beholders never realize how much things like money and social standing influence who can afford to be beautiful.

The simple power of being able to afford makeup and get your hair done on a regular basis makes a HUGE difference in who is considered beautiful.

Take that away, and even movie stars begin to understand why people who can hardly make ends meet are so often not perceived as beautiful. And that’s not even to mention plastic surgery, Botox, and Collagen.

http://www.people.com/article/teen-plastic-surgery-back-to-school

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on Wed Dec 18th 2019 at 16:07:49 Mary Burrell

Five beautiful Black women in 2019 were crowned in beauty pageants. Miss Teen USA, Miss USA, Miss Universe, Miss World. Black is beautiful.

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