Here are the black women that English-speaking black people think are the most beautiful (See below for how I came up with this list):
Halle Berry (9 lists) – an American film actress, the first black woman to win an Oscar for Best Actress. That was for “Monster’s Ball” (2001). Her mother is white. More.
Vanessa Williams (7 lists) – an American beauty queen, singer and actress. She was the first black Miss America (1983).
Angela Bassett (7 lists) – an American film actress, a much better mone than Halle Berry.
Tyra Banks (6 lists) – an American supermodel. She is the first black woman to make the cover of GQ magazine and Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue (1997). More.
Gabrielle Union (6 lists) – an American film actress. More.
Beyonce Knowles (6 lists) – an American singer. She was in Destiny’s Child and then on her own. More.
Toni Braxton (5 lists) – an American singer from the 1990s. Best known for “Un-Break My Heart” (1996).
Nia Long (4 lists) – an American actress who plays the lead character in black films and a supporting character in white ones. More.
Naomi Campbell (4 lists) – a British supermodel from the 1990s. A great face and great legs. More.
Sade (3 lists) – a Nigerian-born singer from the 1980s. Her mother is white. More.
Phylicia Rashad (3 lists) – an American actress best known for playing Claire Huxtable on “The Cosby Show” in the 1980s and early 1990s.
Janet Jackson (3 lists) – an American singer, sister of Michael Jackson.
Honourable mentions (those who made 2 lists): Whitney Houston, Tatyana Ali, Serena Williams, Sanaa Lathan, Queen Latifah, Nancy Wilson, Meagan Good, Lena Horne, Laila Ali, Kim Eternity, Jada Pinkett-Smith, Diahann Carroll, Chilli Thomas, Anita Baker, Amerie, Aaliyah.
I have a list of black women just like this only it is according to white people. Here is who made which lists:
- Both white and black lists: Halle Berry, Beyonce, Tyra Banks, Vanessa Williams, Angela Bassett.
- White only: Iman, Mariah Carey, Thandie Newton, Alicia Keys.
- Black only: Gabrielle Union, Toni Braxton, Nia Long, Naomi Campbell, Sade, Phylicia Rashad, Janet Jackson and all of the honourable mentions.
In the white list nearly half of the women had a white parent. In the black list only one in six do. Halle Berry topped both lists.
I made the list like how I made the white one: I put “the most beautiful black women” into Google and went through the first 100 websites. If a website had an open-ended list of beautiful black women, then I recorded the top ten women it had. I threw out any lists that were duplicates and any that were clearly made by white people. That left me with 21 lists. Then I found out which women made the most lists.
Nearly all the lists were done by black people, where the race was knowable, so I think the same is true in general. After all, it is hard for me to imagine a white person picking Nia Long, Meagan Good, Tatyana Ali or Anita Baker. They simply would not come to mind. Most white people do not even know who Nia Long is!
– Abagond, 2009.
See also:
Abagond 
So, Aba, took me up on my suggestion after all!
Fascinating stuff.
I actually searched for “the most beautiful black women” on Google too, yet did not come up with any actual lists. How did you? If you don’t mind, can you cite at least two of the lists? I’m just curious.
The list makes sense, as the female celebs are more diverse than the ones on the other list. I expected that.
What I didn’t expect was some of the omissions. No Vivica? Wow. I know for a fact that many black Americans really like her. Stacey Dash is another suprising omission.
I’m suprised Tyra made a lot of lists. I’ve already heard black folks crack on her forehead so I’m suprised that a segment find her “beautiful”.
LOL, Nia and Meagan aren’t that well known to middle America but I don’t think the typical white person would find them unattractive. Same with Anita Baker and Tatyana Ali. Hell, Ali’s dated her share of white men so some defintely do find the woman attractive!
Great stuff, Aba. I’m going to think of some more ideas for prespective entries. LOL.
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I see it’s business as usual at Abagond. Nice to know that the women you most admire somehow don’t get mentioned as beautiful. Will you ever get that beauty as power is ultimately limiting? You find the skimpiest photos possible and when you do finally do a post about black female achievement there is no mention of their beauty. I think you should simply stop talking about black women because every time you do it ends up being degrading.
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I like the list.
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There’s a few lists on the “sexiest black women”, did you consider those as well?
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mynameismyname: No, just “beautiful”. I wanted to do it just the same way as the white list.
Here are some of the pages I looked at:
http://www.wanderlist.com/blackbeauty
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_n6_v47/ai_12102815/pg_1
http://forums.vh1.com/vh1/board/message?board.id=c1e6c59dd25dd2227de72443956b8c0&thread.id=1430
The last one is a forum, so has more than one list.
More here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=the+most+beautiful+black+women&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
Also I did not put “the most beautiful black women” in quotes in Google. I did that to match what I did with the white list.
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Kat: thanks.
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Renee: On my list of the black women I most admire Toccara Jones and Dorothy Dandridge are physically beautiful to me, not just good-looking. But that is not how they made the list. As much as I like female beauty, I admire artistic achievement and especially courage even more.
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mynameismyname: I think most white people would say Nia Long is pretty if you showed them a picture of her, but they would not think of her name on their own. The same for Tatyana Ali and the others.
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I agree about Tyra Bank’s forehead. I remember when I first saw her she seemed kind of strange looking. She got to where she is more because she works hard and does not easily give up than because of her raw beauty.
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Color struck. Just plain and simple, color struck.
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How do you figure, Chi?
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Once Again I say Nice list, but it sucks without Raven-Symone on it. Make A New list with Raven, and Monique Coleman on it they are both Hot! They are talked about a lot.
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No can do. The point was to make the list independent of my own judgement in the matter.
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I’m surprised the likes of Rihanna or Ciara didn’t make either list. But I just wanted to say that it is very presumptuous of you to assume that most white people don’t know who Angela Bassett or Nia Long is. Maybe Nia Long wouldn’t be as known but Angela Bassett graduated from Yale and most would recognize her from at least from her role as Tina Turner.
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Most white people do not know who Nia Long is. Ask and see. I did. I am not presuming anything. In fact, I had assumed the opposite, that most of them do know who she is, but then found out quite by accident that most do not.
I was surprised. But then I thought about it: all the films she has starred in were “black” films. Unlike Will Smith she has never played the lead in anything that made it big among white people.
Most white Americans do seem to know who Angela Bassett is.
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Of course, most Americans (regardless of their “race”) know who Angela Bassett is. She’s an highleu respected, Oscar-nominated talent, one of the most successful black actresses in the last 20 years. She has had a much more resourceful career than Halle Berry, who was a much bigger pop celebrity than she. (Remember, Berry auditioned for the role of Tina Turner, she lost it to Angela; she was a shoe-in in “Monster’s Ball).
Yes, Nia Long, Sanaa Lathan and many of the others wouldn’t be that well known to most white Americans. They may recognize Nia from some small part she’s had in a “white” film. Ditto for Sanaa. Yet, most whites would recognize their beauty. There’s no denying that.
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Thanks for bringing Nia Long to my attention. She is incredibly beautiful. I am white.
My top 3 would be Joy Bryant, Halle, Nia.
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I’M just going to assume that you did indeed
intend to put VANITY on your list and that she just slipped your mind because except for HALLE she would be on top of anyones list. Also , no mention of KERRY WASHNGTON-
cmon now.
Personally… HALLE, VANITY, LARK VOORHIES, STACEY DASH, AND TYRA would make my top five with ASHANTI not far behind.
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Abagond can I suggest french actress Aissa Maiga? She’s very beautiful and a great actress. There is a post on her over at Ebony Intuition
http://ebonyintuition.blogspot.com/2009/05/aissa-maiga-french-actress.html
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Good call: I have seen Aissa Maiga before but did not know who she was. She is beautiful.
If I can find enough material I will do a post here, but at the very least she will get on Black Beauty of the Day.
Thanks!
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kidnice said:
I’M just going to assume that you did indeed
intend to put VANITY on your list and that she just slipped your mind because except for HALLE she would be on top of anyones list. Also , no mention of KERRY WASHNGTON-
cmon now.
I do not choose who goes on this list. I made it by counting how many times different women appear on lists of beautiful black women made by others. Read the post to know more.
I do, however, have my own list of favourites here:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2007/06/13/the-ten-most-beautiful-black-women-in-the-world/
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Your list is unfair. You listed mixed people on both lists. Halle Berry (1/2 White), Naomi Campbell (1/4 Han Chinese) and Sade (1/2 White).
“In the white list nearly half of the women had a white parent. In the black list only one in six do. Halle Berry topped both lists.”
You have 3 mixed black women on the black list.
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Those two lists are not a matter of my opinion. They are simply the black women who appear most often in lists of beautiful women made by English-speaking blacks and whites on the Internet. Read the post to find out how I made the lists. I followed a particular procedure so that my own opinion would not affect the outcome.
My own opinion is here:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2007/06/13/the-ten-most-beautiful-black-women-in-the-world/
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Firstly there are people that the black community know about that perhaps less white people have heard of such as nia long & meagan good.
Secondly what black people look up to as a standard of black beauty would be different. they are unlikely to put alicia keys or mariah carey high up on a list because there would be some black people saying they don’t really represent the typical black woman.
An interesting example is the british girl band mis-teeq. Alesha dixon is seen as one of the most beautiful british women of colour to white people.
However i can remember seeing a list of the most sexiest done by black people and both sabrina & su-elise were in a higher position than her. perhaps because alesha dixon has whiter facial features or maybe they want to subvert from what more white people like.
mariah carey is closer to the looks of white women than black women. but someone like halle berry is more of a happy medium.
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jamie: why is it unfair that some mixed women are mentioned? should mixed women never be mentioned. should they just be left on the sidelines. there aren’t any official lists done on the most beautiful mixed women now are there. hmmm. so then so what if they are included on lists for black women? a lot identify more so with their black side anyway.
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I didn’t quite understand your post jamie. or were you trying to say that its ironic that less half white women were mentioned on the black list?
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You have made a major error in your lists and I know this because, you admit it. You said (paraphrasing) that if there were mostly white women in the list, you assumed that the author was white and vice versa for mostly black on the list. But I know so many black guys who are only attracted to white women or mostly white with few black exceptions. I also know white guys who like black women. That is a smaller list, but you get the gist. Side note, I am white and I would put Nia Long on my list and I see you have that on the black list. Oh and 1 other thing. Why would you think white people would not know who Angela Basset is? She’s only play in a gazillion movies.
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We all know that 99.9% of black males are enraged that Hallie Berry is in a happy and loving inter-racial relationship with a white man.
HOWEVER, the moment that their daughter, Nahla becomes of age, those same jealous men [yep those same guys who preach against bw/wm ir] will be lining up and beating down Gabriel’s door to be with his “light and wavy” daughter. [somebody better tell him to get his shotgun ready!!]
You would never see a white supremacist type white male go after Seal and Heidi Klum’s daughter… Let alone prefer her and consider her to be “the epitome of beauty”
Compare and contrast the proud black male vs. the nazi white male…
At least with the white Nazi white male his argument or so-called “cause” is always consistant!
My question is if black males where really concerned about this so-called “black love” wouldn’t they PREFER the women who come from these unions? Instead of chasing white men, Hispanic men and Asian men’s daughters??? Or even the biracial women—lighter women.
[[this is a rhetorical question
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Leslie, Bullseye!! This proves that there is little to no racial pride among blacks.
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^^^
Oh, come on, that may be going too far. At the end of the day, black Americans do have much pride in being black. Even if they have conflicted feelings about it based on their experiences.
Plenty of racist white men would date or fornicate with a mixed-race-appearing black female. They may feel superior to her but they’d still date her. I don’t think that the great majority of black men and women in American care about Halle Berry or any other untouchable celebrity figure. Trust me, they have waaayyy more tangible things to be concerned with. Like bills, taxes, everyday life, perhaps…
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I believe these are the most beautiful black women:
Vilayna Lasalle
Kenya Moore
Kiara Kabukuru
Eva Pigford
Jourdan Dunn
Lauren London
Alicia Keys
Rhianna
Selita Ebanks
Danielle Evans (“Dani” Evans)
Noemie Lenoir
Agbani Darego
Quiana Grant
Ildi Silva
Cassandra Ventura (“Cassie”)
Halle Berry
Thandie Newton
Vanessa Williams
Tyra Banks
Keisha Knight Pulliam
Naomi Campbell
Tatitana Ali
Gabrielle Union
Garcelle Beauvis
Michael Michelle
Ciara
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To comment on #28 Leslie
Black men go after white women for status reasons…… these women are simply trophies to them……. they have no real love for you …… I’m sure Tiger Woods and O.J. Simpson has proven that ….. you will simply put up with more “BS” are are easier to have sex with.
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@Leslie, no, black men are NOT “enraged” that Halle Berry has a white babydaddy. In fact it’s par for the course. You’re projecting your black female behavior onto us. Sade never had a black man in her band or videos, but we still love her without question. It’s only sistas who get mad when a Snipes or Diggs come out with a non-black girlfriend or wife. Hell, black women are “enraged” that none of Tiger’s home-wrecking, sack-chasing floozies are black!
I’m surprised none of the posters here tried to slide ghetto-looking chicks like Fantasia or Precious into the Most Beautiful list. LOL.
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@not-surprised
Please don’t project your own insecurities by making out that black women are taking issue with Tiger’s bimbos.By your logic, typical black male behaviour. If anything, am happy that a black woman wasn’t involved with that nonsense, yet again proves that for all his trophies, this black man(Tiger) is only perpetuating a stereotype about black men and serial cheating. Like his predecesors, OJ, Kobe et al.The Tiger story proves who the biggest gold-diggers are hands down, and they’re not black women!
Think about that the next time you have a go at black women!
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Glad to see us make our own list of who and what we think iz pretty. No Ones Opinion Of Us Iz Mo Important Than Ours!
When we stop worrying bout what “THEY THINK” and focusing on our on views, we will see a whole new world or Beauty, Love n Creativity among and for ourselves emerge!
Please stop helping with the stereo type that Black Men are standing, watching, waiting, lurking roun every corner looking for white women. This kind of thinking was responsible 4 gettin Black Men lynched n murdered for YEARS! And in this mssg form it’s still here 2day. Why do U think a “handfull” of high profile BM with WW are constantly put bfo the world”?! Also ask urself, ‘HOW MANY OF THE PRO ATHLETES THAT U DON’T SEE… HAVE BLACK WIVES N GIRLFRIENDS….ANY WHY THEY’RENEVER SEEEN?!!
A recent survey shows that 80-85% of BM are still n relationship with BW (wives, girlfrns)
Here a research method that each of U can apply to urselves. Think of all the BM U know (father, bros, cuz’n, friends, etc). 4get the celebrities. Most of U (us) don’t know any anyhow. Now count to see how many on ur list are with BW. Your survey will mo n likely confirm the results of the above survey… Majority BM are still with BW!!!!
So who’s making us angry n hostile bout seeing BM n WW round every corner???
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@not_surprised Says:
You’ve met every black women to make blanket statements like this? Your views are laughable. Sorry but most people couldn’t give a fig for these people. If anything they are entertained by their antics. The ones that do are delusional if they let these people’s lifestyle influence their ways of thinking. I get the impression that the black women who get ‘angry’ as you say, are more angry at the disdain some of these celebrities show for their own kind. Otherwise the could’nt care less who they are dating or married to. You see it’s the self loathing that is rejected, it’s not as if they are going to date or marry any of these celebrities. As for ‘golddigging’, how many women exist today who have the amount of personal fortunes that men do. There is an economic disparity between the genders. Almost all women who marry wealthy men are in effect ‘golddiggers’. As for Tiger Wood, if nothing else, he has shown poor taste in the women he chose to galivant around with. What I don’t understand is why this has garnered the headlines it has. By the way, who are Smipes and Diggs?
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@Herneith:
I think not_surprised was referring to Wesley Snipes and Taye Diggs. They’re married to non-BW.
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I don’t go to movies and I don’t watch television to know who many of these people are. I gather from what media I read, such as newspapers etc, I am not missing much. I tend to wait for any movie which has picqued my interest, to come out on DVD. In most instances I’m glad I do this as I am, more often than not, disappointed. I prefer documentaries if anything.
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@Herneith:
You’re not missing much. Believe me. There’s a lot of garbage on tv so much so I barely watch anything these days.
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“F” the celebrities. The general attitude of another ngga wit a WW is prevalent and is applied GENERALLY to ALL Black Men. As if we want to even if we can’t!
I think this Celeb Focusing is used as an xcuse for not coming to grips an dealing wit ones own personal insecurities and esteem issues. Turn off the Soaps, Stop reading all these gossip mags, n sex books,
let go of trying to be recognized and accepted according to other folks standards.
The person, man or woman, who truly loves themselves, DO NOT RESPOND TO WHO FOLKS THEY DO NOT KNOW AND WILL NEVER MEET, are bunking with! Ask urself,”WHO” is the source of your info about who the celebs are with and what is this(Ur) American need for GOSSIP?!
There are millions of evryday BM and BW and few celebs on the planet. And we’re programmed to see the interace stuff EVERYWHERE! Yet if Ur Life Depended on it, “U couldn’t name 20 BM or Bwomen n IR relationships without researching it on the web!” And if U can, Ur too much into others lives and not enuff into ur own!
Again think of all the BM That U KNOW! Now add up how many are with BW! U may see that Ur attitude, ur anger, uurrrrrrr…..won’t allow u to admit the truth n release Ur own stereo typical image of BM. FAAAAAAARRR MORE BLACK MEN ARE WITH BLACK WOMEN THAN THE MATRIX WOULD HAVE U BELIEVE. Are U having trouble finding or keeping one? If so ask Urself what Ur part in theproblem is??
I for one will not be the POSTER Boy for all the wrongs in America and Blak Relationships
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“FAAAAAAARRR MORE BLACK MEN ARE WITH BLACK WOMEN THAN THE MATRIX WOULD HAVE U BELIEVE.”
I agree.
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Shae:
Thanks for the list!
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Abagond, don’tknow ifur male or female but agreement is a wonderful thing whenver, wherever it’s found….particularly if it’s
between BM+BF.
Remember….. we were not brought here to be made into productive citizens, with strong moral principles, healthy intelligent children and loving caring relationships!
Are U male or female??? take care
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I LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE BEYONCE AND I THINK THAT SHE SHOULD BE IN THE FIRST PLACE. SHE IS GORGEOUS, NICE VOICE, WONDERFUL BODY. . .SHE IS SO PRETTY. . . I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVEEEEEEE YOUUUUUUUUUUU BEYONCE. ADORO-TE DA CABECA AOS PES BEE
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Have a look at my contribution here:http://jamewatadza.blogspot.com. Might clear up some confusion about ‘black’ women. There are two types of black in Africa, The bantu (never ever mentioned or considrered inthese beauty lists) and the North African Arabic ‘blacks’…the Imans and soon….then of course the mixed race ‘blacks’ of the West, Beyonce, halle Berry etc
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That link was broken. This one is not:
http://jameswatadza.blogspot.com/2010/01/why-are-africans-so-embarrassed-chapter_02.html
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Deus me livre… 8/
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Only two types of blacks in Africa, James?
Methinks you’re forgetting a lot of people.
And Beyoncé is a mixed race black? Why not a mixed race white? Or simply mixed race?
I mean, unless of course you really believe the old anglo-saxonist understanding that a drop of black blood is infintiely polluting…
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Beyonce’s genetic background goes beyond her two parents. Knowles mom is definitely creole and I very much doubt that her dad has 100% African ancestors, either.
This is what amazes me about Americans: when it comes to race, family history frequently only goes a generation deep.
BtW, yes there are MANY different types of Africans in Africa. However, by the time slavery really got cranking in the U.S., most were coming from the region of southern Africa or the Bay of Benin.
The Songhai Empire fell in the 16th century and a HUGE number of NW Africans got shipped to Brazil at that time, causing a couple of Muslim-oriented slave revolts, in fact.
But U.S. American slavery really started taking off only after the invention of the cotton gin around the turn of the 19th century – 200 years later. NW Africa was pretty much “slaved out” by then.
So yeah, it’s just possible that someone as light-skinned as Beyoncé could perhaps maybe have 100% African ancestors, but it’s very, very unlikely, especially when one realizes that her roots are in New Orleans, perhaps North America’s most mulatto city.
So even if we didn’t know that Tina Knowles was racially mixed, Occam’s Razor would mitigate against the idea that she’s “100% pure African”.
Sorry.
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Sure you are. That’s how you define yourself socially and how others define you.
Genetically, however, it’s another ball of wax entirely and that genetics doesn’t just rinse out in the wash, as Abagond’s post makes clear.
Colorism does indeed exist and it is especially apparent when white and black people talk about who are the most beautiful black women. So while you may say “all black are equal”, that’s obviously not the case, is it? If it were, we’d be seeing very dark skinned blacks described as “beautiful” as often or more often than people like Beyoncé.
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So yeah, it’s just possible that someone as light-skinned as Beyoncé could perhaps maybe have 100% African ancestors, but it’s very, very unlikely, especially when one realizes that her roots are in New Orleans, perhaps North America’s most mulatto city.
The thing with people comparing other black people to Beyonce is that Beyonce had a nose job, lip reduction, and skin bleaching. This is a fact, when you look at her older pictures. So that is the reason her features appear more Eurocentric than other blacks, and her sister, Solange. Anyone can look like Beyonce, if they have the money to dole out. Although I personally thought she looked better before the procedures; she’s plain now.
James, there are not two types of Africans.
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Well, that kinda goes to prove Abagond’s point, doesn’t it? I mean if this black woman had to bleach her skin to be considered ~beautiful~ by the masses…
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Well, that kinda goes to prove Abagond’s point, doesn’t it? I mean if this black woman had to bleach her skin to be considered ~beautiful~ by the masses…
It proves that even black Americans are brainwashed by a Eurocentric idea of beauty, yes.
Don’t get me wrong, I see beautiful black women every day, much prettier than Beyonce even by a Eurocentric ideal. There are some that are naturally beautiful but Beyonce (or Halle) isn’t one of them.
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Also, white celebrities routinely have plastic surgery as well. You’d be hardpressed to find anyone in Hollywood who hasn’t gone under the knife in some fashion.
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@Natasha W:
Exactly. You see all these white celebrities regarded as beautiful such as Charlize Theron or Catherine Zeta-Jones, and they definitely weren’t born with those flawless faces or figures.
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Lynette,
Thank you! Beyonce, in less sophisticated terms is (and looks) “regular black”. LOL. There’s nothing racially ambigious or “exotic” about her. Plenty of ‘sistas’ in the hood and beyond look like her. MANY look better actually.
Natasha is also so right on. Beyonce’s look, like most celebrities, is made. She and most of her celeb peers are not naturally beautiful. The best plastic surgeons, makeup artists, weave/wig techs, stylists and personal trainers that money can buy are responsible for their “beauty”.
That’s why it specious to compare everyday people to these figures.
It’s funny, most of the black picks for prettiest black women aren’t even light skinned yet people are still screaming about skin color! It never ends. LOL.
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All your language talks about “black people” and “white people”. This simply drives black and white people apart. Instead of championing our differences you should celebrate our similarities. We are all just “people”. Until we see that we will never be truly united. We will always be “black” or “white”.
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with great respect to the black actresses in hollywood,,, throughout the years I ‘ve seen the black women skin tone and strong feature being diluted … gone are the features of Ms.Tyson..Ms. Grier,,Ms Dobson.. and Ms Graves.. although these women were mainly in blaxploitation flims, neverhteless their presence were ever more prominent on the screen then than it is now…and then there are the singers like Millie Jackson,, Roberta Flack and Betty Wright just to name a few who’s voices were different in every way each had their own style of singing and yet sang the same from their souls ..now its all mockingbird.. looking and sounding the same
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As an open-minded caucasian person who appreciates beautiful when of every race and nationality, I can only say that beautiful black women have beautiful white women beat pretty much hands-down.
I’m surprised white people left Naomi Campbell of their list, and that black people left Iman off theirs. And I’m doubly surprised women like Stacy Dash, Selita Ebanks and Jessica White aren’t even mentioned by either.
To each his own, I guess.
But it doesn’t matter if you’re looking at black women with “white features” or women with predominantly “African features.” What matters is whatever the individual feels naturally attracted to, and let’s face it: In a multi-cultural world, people of mixed race are very often the most attractive and/or physically gifted, having the predisposition to draw from the best elements of a wider gene pool. Genetic and cultural diversity are simply part of evolution.
That said, the most important thing ultimately is not the ability to admire physical beauty. It’s about being a trustworthy person of good character, and being able to find a person who is also like that, so that two people can cultivate a genuinely loving and healthy relationship with one another. Regardless of race, I think we can all agree that being a good person, and finding another good person, are true challenges in life.
Go President Obama! A truly great and inspirational leader of our times.
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I forgot to add that, as beautiful as Beyonce is…
Kelly Rowland is the BOMB!!!
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Adam,
“In a multi-cultural world, people of mixed race are very often the most attractive and/or physically gifted, having the predisposition to draw from the best elements of a wider gene pool.”
This is just not true. The “hybrid vigor” theory has been debunked time and time again yet people still repeat it as if it has any truth.
(1) The most genetic diversity is found within those social constructs called “races.”
(2) Those with mixed ancestry are no more attractive than those with parents of the same “race.” The media tends to give a skewed view of groups of people. The average multiracial person isn’t always so conventionally attractive. Check Rain Pryor, Tameka “Tiny” Cottle, Ursula Rucker, and Joakim Noah.
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Though some argue otherwise, hybrid vigor has not been “debunked,” as you say, although I would agree that it works under some circumstances, and not under others. Also, I am not trying to suggest that all multi-racial people are attractive. But it’s clear that some are very attractive. Neither am I arguing for or against what society at-large considers attractive, but rather what the individual does or does not. That the media may exert influence on individual tastes is undoubtedly true; some people are susceptible to those influences; others are impervious to them. Having said that, I can assure you that my personal preferences for Naomi Campbell and Kelly Rowland have not been influenced by society in the least, and I don’t care whether a woman I find attractive is purely of one race or multi-racial. I just care if she’s attractive and hope that she’s also a good person.
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Adam,
“Though some argue otherwise, hybrid vigor has not been “debunked,”
It hasn’t? Find me a peer-reviewed study that backs it up. I’ll wait.
Hybrid vigor doesn’t apply to humans because *gasp* humans of different appearances are not actually different breeds. Humans are not pigs or sheep (well, most are sheep, but that’s another subject…), sorry. Like I said, since most genetic diversity occurs within “races” and not between them, if hybrid vigor in humans did in fact exist, it would apply to those that are not multiracial or biracial since.
“Also, I am not trying to suggest that all multi-racial people are attractive. But it’s clear that some are very attractive.”
And some “mono-racials” are very attractive. What’s your point?
“Neither am I arguing for or against what society at-large considers attractive, but rather what the individual does or does not.”
So you’re saying that you consider those with mixed heritage to be very attractive? Good for you. Just don’t go speaking for everyone and attempting to use biology to support your beliefs.
“Having said that, I can assure you that my personal preferences for Naomi Campbell and Kelly Rowland have not been influenced by society in the least”
Anyone who thinks their preferences are not influenced by their environment is kind of wrong. All people are affected by society whether in large or small, or good or bad ways. But let’s not derail the topic…
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Correction: it would apply to those that are not multiracial or biracial since they would be more genetically diverse.
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Beautiful is beautiful and ugly is ugly. I didn’t that creature Tiny was mixed. All I knew that she was one of the ugliest women I’ve seen on TV. She needs a nose job badly. I’ll take Iman, Yasmin Warsame, Grace Jones or Hibret Fekadu any day of the week. Skin color and hair textures aren’t very good ways to tell if a person’s attractive. I go by facial features, thier bodies and whether they look heathly or not. I like flat face, a small button nose, eye color and shape aren’t important, and nice normal thick lips.I prefer reddish-brown skin, but dark brown and olive are my second fav. I love tall, thin bodies with a hourglass figure with a medium sized butt (I’m a boob person). Also I’m not a fan of short hair. I love long very curly/wavy hair. I don’t get the hype about straight hair and think it looks plain. Hair should long and soft, regardless of texture. It’s a sign of health. But anyway, that’s my take on it.
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Well, technically, what I see as beautiful you might see as ugly, and there’s nothing wrong about it. Personally, I don’t get what’s soo unattractive about Joakim Noah, but that’s just me. The point is, “superior biracials” trope is just a myth. Even if it sounds biologically logical, it doesn’t work the way people imagine it.
There are a few cultural and genetic reasons.
Cultural:
1.Many people’s only experience with biracials comes from media. And we all know how accurate that is. The most handsome ones are cast in movie roles and they become models for all biracials. Reality might be completely different.
2.Biracials are seen as a tool for ending racism. If we could only make people reproduce with those of different races, all of the problems will just go away. This makes biracials seem more precious and special than they actually are: they are no more or less unique than any other person on the planet.
3. Biracials also serve as models for “familiar, yet exotic” appeal that is sometimes praised. I’m sometimes guilty as charged there.
As for genetic reasons, we should ask Natasha. 😀 I had no idea that the most genetic diversity is found within races. So I’m all ears.
But here are some common misconceptions:
1. Just like a person whose parents are a brother and a sister doesn’t have a good DNA potential and has a high risk of genetic diseases, those whose parents are members of different races have “stronger” DNA because genes are so different. That makes them almost a superior breed. (Sounds logical, but obviously is not true).
2. A biracial person will get the best from both worlds, and will therefore have an incredibly attractive physical features. (This comes from a belief that parents’ genetic traits are equally shared and that a kid will be “something in between”, and not just that: that the kid will get everything that is considered the most attractive from both of their parents’ races. Which makes you wonder: what if the child gets the least attractive features from both of the races?)
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The current status of this is still disputed. The currently most widely accepted version is that there is as much diversity within one ethnic group as there is between different groups. Human genetics is a mind-bogglingly complex field.
We as a species are given a complex set of traits that are as fundamentally similar as they are diverse. Instead of celebrating some of our petty differences we should take advantage of the diversity of our ideas, talents, visions, strengths to achieve something amazing together. Instead of putting huge efforts in searching for a piece of false comfort inside a barb wired fence some call “their own race” (which, by their standards, is really just a tiny set of superficial traits), humans should thrive in their diversity.
Failing to learn from nature, some humans have come to a stage where they have the arrogance to think that nature must learn from them. Nature permanently reinvents itself. A lot of nature’s ways may seem counterintuitive and chaotic to humans. It may be rooted in the fact that humans have a tendency to classify things – and even people – according to similarities that are obvious to them, however only to them. Nature doesn’t need to classify. It can very well keep existing in chaos (by human standards), even when humans are long gone. Nature doesn’t need the human sense for order as it is able to discipline itself according to its own few laws. Nature doesn’t need humans. Humans need nature.
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I’m glad that a discussion has been sparked. I didn’t mean to imply “mono-racials” aren’t or can’t be attractive, nor to suggest that multi-racial or bi-racial people are a superior breed of human. All I’m saying is that some multi-racial people can be very attractive physically, and never argued that “mono-racial” couldn’t be. I stand on personal preference and individual tastes, and believe that has more to do with my personal experience and less or nothing to do with societal pressures. As for arguments concerning “hybridization” among humans, the onus is on Natasha, not me, to furnish evidence and peer-reviewed studies that confirm introducing genes from a wider gene pool seldom or never, create greater genetic diversity. I’m all ears, too (right back at you).
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Adam, lol at you attempting to switch it around.
You made the claim that it wasn’t debunked. Therefore, you find support for the claim. Quite simple unless of course, you can’t find support for it.
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Femi it is not disputed as far as I know. It it widely supported.
“Of the 0.1% of DNA that varies among individuals, what proportion varies among main populations? Consider an apportionment of Old World populations into three continents (Africa, Asia and Europe), a grouping that corresponds to a common view of three of the ‘major races’16, 17. Approximately 85−90% of genetic variation is found within these continental groups, and only an additional 10−15% of variation is found between them.”
From the world’s most esteemed scientific journals, Nature: http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.html
This article confirms their findings:
http://genome.cshlp.org/content/12/4/602.full.html
And so do countless others.
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[P.S. If you want to reply, please do so on the following post so we won’t derail this topic further: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/race-is-social/ ]
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Natasha, I honestly don’t understand why you have such a hard time with people’s personal preferences, but I’m not “switching” anything. In fact, you are the one who dismisses more than half of what I’m saying, not even acknowledging my views on the inner person, focusing instead on a small part concerning human evolution and imputing perspectives I never conveyed. Every time I try to make myself more clear, you come back and act like I stand on hybrid vigor at all costs, when I don’t. I never said anything about hybrid vigor, in fact. You are the one who brought that up. All I said was that offspring of interracial parents draw from a wider gene pool, and that this is an advantage. Then, in deference to your apparent knowledge and intelligence, I conceded this may not always be the case, but still argue that sometimes, at least, it is or can be. I happen to believe that genetic diversity can be a product of multi-racial interaction. That is hardly an unreasonable view, nor does it mean mean I don’t find “mono-racial” women unattractive. Anyway, if you insist that my view on genetic diversity is untenable, and that what I believe is not or can’t ever be the case, I would be grateful if you could please refer me to a qualified scientific source which clearly states that. Please also forgive me for not taking your word as gospel on that for the time being. If you provide the reference, I will gladly look it up and respond afterwards. You claim to know something I don’t, so I’m asking for a chance to be enlightened by you. Is that so hard for you to do for someone?
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Adam, this is your logic:
You: X (a scientific point), not an opinion, is correct.
Natasha (a scientist): No, X has been disproved by countless studies. Would you like to show me one where it hasn’t been? (Correctly putting the onus on you since you brought it up.)
You: I never said X! But, well…can you show me where it says X is incorrect? (Notice that you conveniently ignore the links right above you, even though it was on you to show your support in the first place.)
Sir, you get an F.
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I just looked at the nature article. Thanks for the link. Very interesting, but it fully supports neither one theory nor another:
“Clustering of individuals is correlated with geographic origin or ancestry. These clusters are also correlated with some traditional concepts of race, but the correlations are imperfect because genetic variation tends to be distributed in a continuous, overlapping fashion among populations. Therefore, ancestry, or even race, may in some cases prove useful in the biomedical setting…”
Therefore, unless we insist on adhering rigidly to polarized views – which I don’t – no one is right or wrong here. It was never a case of right or wrong for me, anyway.
So back to the original topic, I think Natalie Cole, Naomi Campbell, Iman, Kelly Rowland, Stacy Dash, Selita Ebanks Halle Berry and Vanessa Williams are very beautiful women. But I also find Daniela Pestova and Vendela Kirsebom, as well as a host of other women from other races or mixed race, to be very beautiful.
And I don’t think that should be held against me.
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Jasmin:
Thanks.
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Abagond,
Thank Natasha–she’s the scientist, I’m just the Logic Fail Police. 🙂
Btw, when is the stereotype formation post coming? (Sorry I’m nagging you like an errant child, but patience has never been one of my strong points. ;-))
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Adam, I already provided the portion which contradicts your theory. And I am not judging your taste; I really couldn’t care less who you think is attractive. I’m just challenging your view that multi-racial people are more genetically diverse due to their ancestry. Why am I challenging it? Well, that’s my job and it’s clear that many on this blog are ill-informed regarding human genetics. It’s not only for your benefit, but for anyone that might come across this.
Thanks, Jasmin.
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Jasmin:
LOL. Barring he unforseen, I promise to have it up by the weekend.
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Natasha, to say that you don’t care about who people find attractive sounds disingenuous because that’s the main reason people are reading this.
But I do thank you for providing the link to the nature article, and for shedding light on genetic diversity vis-a-vis ancestry and race. You have ultimately helped me understand these issues better, and for that, I’m grateful.
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Adam, reading what? I was just looking through the comments on the sidebar, saw yours promoting a disproven theory, and decided to reply. The most beautiful black [celebrity] women to me aren’t on this list (although two are in the honorable mentions).
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I was not attempting promoting a disproven theory, nor has the “theory” been “disproven.” Anyway, it’s been real, but I’m moving on.
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The theory in humans has no basis, as shown above.
See you around.
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@ Natasha
I see where you’re coming from. I made a logical error reflecting about your statement. We’re actually saying the same thing but from different angles. I was referring to the findings that for instance a Wolof can be genetically as different and as similar at the same time from/to a Sicilian than from/to another Wolof.
*End of derailment. Sorry about that*
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Jasmin:
The post on confirmation bias will be up later today.
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Yay! 🙂
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I found this discussion on doing a google search on “black women and images of beauty..” I must say this discussion proved to be interesting and thought provoking. As a woman who is defined by society as “Black/African-American” I have often been extremely bewildered at what has been heralded as “beautiful” as it relates to Black women. As a women who was born and raised in the U.S. I have often been bewildered at what has been heralded as “beautiful” as it relates to women in general. I find the icons in the dual arena dismaying. I have no psychological studies to present, nor scientific data or theories. All I have is my personal experience and thoughts on the subject matter.
I find most of the persons listed on both lists as beautiful are, indeed, beautiful. However it appears to be from a heavily Eurocentrically influenced standard of beauty. Let’s be real…most of the US, Europe and sadly other countries have been indoctrined by the European standard of beauty.
I’ve had issues with people proclaiming the vast beauty of Halle Berry as, IMHO, she looks like a brown-skinned version of her white mother. Nuff said. To me, she is nice looking. NOT beautiful. Most others listed are light-skinned Black women– save for Angela Basset and Phylicia Rashad and perhaps a few whose names I didn’t recognize. I’m not sure. Where are the Black/Dark, Dark beauties? There are so many. I know several myself. Perhaps there are none to mention as they will never become a celebrity because of the inherent racism that still permeates the entertainment industry where the standard of beauty is based on Eurocentric values?
Being in the entertainment industry I know many extremely talented and beautiful Black women of the darker and darkest hues who, unfortunately, barely get work in the industry because they are too dark. Early in their careers their dreams of fame and fortune are dashed and the harsh reality that the United States is not ready to embrace their beauty. I know singers who can out sing, dance, perform and outshine Beyonce while asleep (u get my point) and are more beautiful, but the masses will never know the kind of visual and artistic beauty they can bring to the arena JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE DARK!!!
I speak for them because I know them and I know their frustration because they are my sisters. I often wonder when women of their vast beauty and talent will be a welcome vision in the public arena. When will their beauty be heralded along side all others??
Sad, sad, sad.
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To the group… please forgive my grammatical and spelling errors. I should have edited before submitting.
I know this is not a discussion about light/dark complexions, however when it comes to Black Beauty one cannot ignore this aspect of the discussion.
IN ADDITION: I would like to know which Black Beauty listed would remain on the list if she were to wear her hair in its “natural” unchemically processed form? Or even better, which one would have made the list at all with naturally kinky hair? Hmmmmm…..
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Beautiful Black women have Wte women beat Hands down. There is no comparison, there is no competition. Black women are simply beautiful, Natural and as God intended them to be. No botox lips here nor fake butt injections.
Wow, alot of Black women are simply beautiful, honey colored skin, beautiful features and wrinkle free. I’d put my chips on beautiful Black women any day of the week!
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Saphire says,
I found this discussion on doing a google search on “black women and images of beauty..” I must say this discussion proved to be interesting and thought provoking. As a woman who is defined by society as “Black/African-American” I have often been extremely bewildered at what has been heralded as “beautiful” as it relates to Black women. As a women who was born and raised in the U.S. I have often been bewildered at what has been heralded as “beautiful” as it relates to women in general. I find the icons in the dual arena dismaying. I have no psychological studies to present, nor scientific data or theories. All I have is my personal experience and thoughts on the subject matter.
I find most of the persons listed on both lists as beautiful are, indeed, beautiful. However it appears to be from a heavily Eurocentrically influenced standard of beauty. Let’s be real…most of the US, Europe and sadly other countries have been indoctrined by the European standard of beauty.
I’ve had issues with people proclaiming the vast beauty of Halle Berry as, IMHO, she looks like a brown-skinned version of her white mother. Nuff said. To me, she is nice looking. NOT beautiful. Most others listed are light-skinned Black women– save for Angela Basset and Phylicia Rashad and perhaps a few whose names I didn’t recognize. I’m not sure. Where are the Black/Dark, Dark beauties? There are so many. I know several myself. Perhaps there are none to mention as they will never become a celebrity because of the inherent racism that still permeates the entertainment industry where the standard of beauty is based on Eurocentric values?
Being in the entertainment industry I know many extremely talented and beautiful Black women of the darker and darkest hues who, unfortunately, barely get work in the industry because they are too dark. Early in their careers their dreams of fame and fortune are dashed and the harsh reality that the United States is not ready to embrace their beauty. I know singers who can out sing, dance, perform and outshine Beyonce while asleep (u get my point) and are more beautiful, but the masses will never know the kind of visual and artistic beauty they can bring to the arena JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE DARK!!!
I speak for them because I know them and I know their frustration because they are my sisters. I often wonder when women of their vast beauty and talent will be a welcome vision in the public arena. When will their beauty be heralded along side all others??
Sad, sad, sad.
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Saphire,
I totally agree w/everything you’ve shared.
I hate ANTI-BW RACISM w/ALL my heart and believe we (BW/PRO-BW supporters) must do all we can to DESTROY it by helping to CHANGE the NEGATIVE/ANTI-BW RACIST images in American culture/media.
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@Saphire–
Where are the Black/Dark, Dark beauties? There are so many. I know several myself. Perhaps there are none to mention as they will never become a celebrity because of the inherent racism that still permeates the entertainment industry where the standard of beauty is based on Eurocentric values?
You made a lot of good points. This is why I also made the point in another thread that there are BW who are more beautiful or just as beautiful as Sophia Loren, but the world will never see them.
Although I rail against the complexion hierarchy, in all honesty, I can’t blame most European men in the entertainment industry for putting the beauty of European women at the top of the beauty hierarchy. They came from these women. To me, there’s nothing out of the ordinary for men to find the women who look most like their mothers to be most beautiful, just like most people think their kids, who may be hideous looking, are beautiful. So, it’s logical for the WM in Hollywood to exalt the beauty of these Euro women who are their point of origin.
I think that the entertainment industry will go through spells of putting a few darker women out there, and maybe dark women will become the “style” for very brief periods, but the entertainment industry will always revert back to exalting the beauty of Euro women. That’s simply the logical norm for them.
Given that situation that is not going to change until everyone becomes the same complexion and looks mostly the same, I think dark black women need to get real and get a strategy instead of continuing to hit their heads against the wall.
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@Saphire–
Early in their careers their dreams of fame and fortune are dashed and the harsh reality that the United States is not ready to embrace their beauty. I know singers who can out sing, dance, perform and outshine Beyonce while asleep (u get my point) and are more beautiful, but the masses will never know the kind of visual and artistic beauty they can bring to the arena JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE DARK!!!
I can just imagine the anguish of these women. If I ever had a dark daughter, I would discourage her from going that route. She might make it to the top, but the chances are too slim. I would push her to develop her other talents and skills instead.
I also don’t believe that the whole idea of BW producing media that highlights the beauty of BW will change anything either. There are already plenty of beautiful BW walking around, but as you’ve mentioned, it’s mostly the lighter women whose beauty is seen. It doesn’t matter how beautiful a woman is if others are blind to it.
Another thing is that the beauty of BW is intertwined with the worth of Black people as viewed by others in the world and Black people themselves. It’s been stated repeatedly that many WW who are average looking or have below average looks are viewed as beautiful or hot simply because White people are viewed as being smarter, more productive, and have a higher value in the world. Don’t forget that many or maybe most Black people also co-sign the higher value of white people and many, if not most BM therefore also co-sign the greater worth and beauty of WW.
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THIS SO CALLED LIST OR LISTS, IS ALL BS,IT DON,T MENTION WHAT ERA, DEAD OR ALIVE, AGE, BESIDES, ITS MOSTLY MADE UP OF HALF-BREEDS, IT SHOULD CONTAIN MORE WOMAN LIKE T . ALI, AND THE NIA LONGS , GET MY DRIFF, ALL THE FAKE BROTHERS OUT THERE WANT A HIGH YELLOW WHITE POINTED NOSE NO LIP CHIC, GIVE ME A NICE ROUND BEHIND WITH NICE FULL LIPS ANY DAY. BESIDES, THOSE HALF BREEDS ARE LIKE WHITE WOMAN WHEN THEY START GETTING OLDER, THE WRINKLES SPOUT UP EVERYWHERE, BUT THE BROWN SISTA RETAIN HER YOUTHFUL SKIN, THEY ONLY GET BETTER.
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^^^^^^^^
Huh?
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The term “HALF BREEDS” seems a bit dated, wouldn’t you say?
Perhaps CHUCKJ is a cowboy who perhaps hangs around saloon bars saying:
“We don’t serve drinks to HALF BREEDS, you filthy injun!
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Maybe I shouldn’t respond to this post since I’m not black, but I actually don’t see a difference between this or any list posted on this website.
I’m inclined to belive though that the people working in entertainment industry try to play it safe and want to give the audience what they think the audience wants. There are probably myriads of very talented people who never have a chance to rise to the top – or anywhere near it- due to such expectations, and I’m sure race is a big part in this.
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Injuns rule! As kids we often played injuns, because they were so frigging cool (it’s true)!
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@king
funny
@chuckj
i think the whole world by now is full of half breeds, quarter breeds etc, i don’t think there are much people that is 100 percent black. but these are just the famous black women and its but so much of them in the industry. why do we have to put someone down to make a point. when that is exactly what we don’t like.
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Phylicia Rashad? really? a bit older than the other girls here…
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Phylicia Rashad is in her sixties now, but because of the endless Cosby reruns on television, she is frozen in time as she was circa 1988 when she turned 40. She was kind of old even then, as beautiful women on television go, but still looked great. It did not hurt that the show presents her as an idealized black woman.
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Why are the features considered “beautiful” the ones that be on white girls. Do you have to have a skinny nose, big booty, and carmel or lighter complexion to be considered a beautiful and even gorgeous black girl?
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What the hell is a black standard of beauty? If whites or other races don’t find “black/African features” attractive is it logical to conclude they are racist? Why is it that the black man that doesn’t fancy these feautures is considered a self-hater? Just bc THESE women look good and are black, doesn’t mean YOU look good bc you are black. Maybe if ppl would stop looking to the media to validate themselves, there would be no controversy concerning race & beauty…
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I am white and I know who Nia Long is lol. First time I saw her was in Love Jones. She is very talented and beautiful. I think it’s amazing that some people think BM date white women for a status symbol when in fact a lot of BM have issues dating other than BW due to the way others might view them. A recent quote from a movie I watched….”it would be really difficult to become the first black president with a Julia Roberts look a like on my arm.” Come now…many BW are branching out and dating non BM. It’s a new day…I hope…..and people should be free to date others based on the content of their character and not the color of their skin. I know this is very optimistic thinking but it is sad that the US still has so many divides. It was interesting to read Thandi Newton’s bio and the fact that she was surprised at how America views race. My friend is a English born BW and she said “in the US people make bi racial children choose sides, but in England we just let them be children.”
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There should not be comparisons about who is better looking based on white women verses black women. All women should be grouped together why? because weather white or black or whatever race a woman is there are TONS OF BEAUTIFUL WOMEN OF ALL COLORS !!!!
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The whole who’s more beautiful than the next is really ridiculous we are all beautiful, and quite frankly beauty is in the eye of the beholder. that’s what wrong with our young generation of women be they black or white………our young girls are afraid to look and be who they are………………STOP IT PEOPLE. For real if you were blessed to be apart of this world that in itself is beautiful.
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I’ve dated women who were pretty on the outside but had a bad attitude. Their attitude made them ugly. Real beauty is on the inside.
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Why isn’t Whoopi Goldberg on this list?
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Richard, I do agree with you. Beauty comes in a massive variety. It is unfortunate that what is marketed is totally against natural beautiful black women whose features and hair types are opposite of the”Barbie doll” types.
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Gabriele union is really pretty
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I am a white woman I always thought Rosalind Cash was gorgeous.
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Kelly Rowland, Zoë Saldana, Keke Palmer and Jill Scott should’ve made this if we are talking beauty. Especially Jill, she can pull all looks and still remain beautiful regardless if white people know them.
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how about a post on the most beautiful half white women? i nominate paula patton.for one.
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Judy Pace, Lola Falani, Donna Summer, and Brenda Sykes.
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*Falana
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