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Why do many White Americans hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks? I am no scientist or scholar, but here is I how I currently think about it. This post is very much a work in progress.
There are plenty of things that keep white racist thinking in place:
- Racist messages in jokes, history books, the news and on television, etc,
- Material self-interest,
- Fear of becoming an outcast among whites
and so on. But this is not the heart of the matter.
Not even material self-interest. After all, plenty of poor whites are racist. About all they have to show for it is this: “At least I’m not black.” And that gives it away: it is about white self-image.
My current understanding of the white self-image:
- Narcissism – having no true sense of self-worth they put up a false front to persuade the world, and most of all themselves, that they do have worth. They mainly do this through money, but also by putting down others to make themselves look better. Deep down they know the whole thing is a lie, which makes them all the more desperate to uphold the front.
- Dichotomous thinking – either/or thinking. Their films often have characters who are either all good or all evil. When you ask them about it they say that of course they know the world is not that simple, that it is just a storytelling device. Yet much of their thinking is very either/or, black-or-white. The One Drop Rule is a good example. So is their idea that they are Basically Good, getting upset when you point out anything that does not fit that overblown self-image. Like that maybe they are racist. Worst of all, it means they cannot accept people who are too different: if you are not the same as us then there must be something wrong with you. Either/or.
- Moral blindness – this is huge. Every single black person in the eyes of white people is the sign of a terrible crime from their ugly past, a reminder that their life is a fraud, that they are pretty much nothing more than armed robbers. But #1 and #2 make it hard for them to simply own up to their past and make it right. Instead they deny, shift blame, lie, twist facts and make black people into these creatures that they look down on, laugh at and yet, oddly, fear. It is a failed attempt to be at peace with themselves. This is why whites need to give reparations more than blacks need to receive it.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with black people other than the bad patch of history they are going through, its side effects and the ordinary human failings. It is white people who have a deep crack in their souls.
I know that sounds extreme – partly because we have “white is right” pounded into our heads night and day – but their history shows that there is something seriously wrong with them.
See also:
What, no mention of envy of Blacks? racial envy is the source of all white people’s issues with Blacks from castration to rape, and from segregation to discrimination.
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I’m just saying
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I think on points 2 and 3 you are into it. Sometimes I wonder what in the state system, in the federal government system keeps up the racial segregation alive, why they still inquire your ethnicity in papers and such. Officially there is no such thing, hey, even the prez is black, but still: there is always the ethnicity epithet on everything. Same in the news media, entertainment, in everything. Why is this so important in USA in 2011???
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Yep, that DEFINITELY should be up there too.
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ENVY, that is.
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I’m reminded of this every day at work…the way I’m treated, compared with my co-workers, is sub-human at best. I see the backs of people’s heads as they walk by, as they do their utmost to not make eye contact with me because I might *GASP* say ‘hello’ to them or something! Being polite and cordial terrifies them, it seems…it’s truly INSANE.
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Simply put: people of European descent, especially those with formal education, are aware of their genetic inferiority, and have to resort to extreme measures to assert their dominance over people of color. Many act this out on a subconscious level and are, many times, unaware of this defect in their thinking.
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Sepultra, we are not talking about a misunderstood reaction to tattoos, piercings, or your perceived religious or political persuasion?
Just asking to make sure,…
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This post does really need work.
Anyway. Why do whites hate, disrespect and discriminate against blacks? It’s tied to the white superiority complex. The white man’s burden, if you must. Whites–going back to racialized science and history of the 18th and 19th century–taught that whites are the superior race and non-whites are savages. White people grew up learning about the advancements and histories of whites, while being taught that they’re superior since they invented all of what is called “civilization.”
They believed it was their burden to civilize savages. Christianity didn’t help. It was used to justify slavery and anti-miscegenation, and enforce white superiority.
When you grow up having power over others, it’s easy to disrespect those people and look down on them. After hundreds of years of disrespect, it’s hard to change.
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Excellent post!
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I guess the question is asked in a way making it hard to answer, as I think fear is the answer, fear for black gangs, black rapists, fear for the other, fear for guilt, fear for the unknown, fear for ancestral guilt, fear for false accusations, fear for just accusations, going back to fear for slave rebellions.
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These people hate us like WE kidnapped them from Europe, ripped them away from their cultures, split apart their families, enslaved them, murdered them, raped the women, mutilated the men and enacted Jim Crow laws against them. It’s downright creepy. There’s also a pathological obsession with Black people that is hard to explain. I belong to a website for people of color to express dissent over the European power structure and when Europeans or European Americans drop by the first thing they rant is “Ni66er” this and that. It’s like the default racism is Black oriented. They never think about the others that they’ve crapped on the world over. It’s automatically Black people. I find this fixation extremely frightening. I think it is at a molecular level. Black people are the biggest biological threat to Europeans. They are a global minority that could be easily wiped out at the drop of a sperm or ovum…and no other sperm or ovum presents its physical phenotype as strongly as the Black human. I suspect that this is also why they feel the need to segregate themselves from others, no matter where on the globe they choose to migrate to and forcibly displace the original inhabitants. I truly believe that Europeans will never join the global community because it would ultimately mean their demise. Racism is in their genes. It acts as fail safe for racial preservation. I don’t know. I’m just thinking aloud right now.
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Why do many white Americans, hate, demonize, fear and look down on blackness?
Because someone has to groom the next generation of little oppressors.
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Man I was just reading this great 1965 Ebony issue – “The White Problem in America”. I think you can find it here on Google books: http://bit.ly/xk6VYk
The racial discord in America is propelled by the “fears and frailties” of white Americans because “the White American is a problem to himself and that because he is a problem to himself he has made others problems to themselves. When we say that the white American is a problem to himself we mean that racism is a reflection of personal and collective anxieties lodged deep in the hearts and minds of white Americans.”
And that’s just the first page. Really great, hard-hitting stuff by Ebony on this topic.
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That picture is scary.
Well, I think a lot of people are racist due to conditioning, upbringing and media influence. There are probabaly other factors that I haven’t added.
Jealousy and envy as people already mentionedis another reason why.
A lot of people who have negative stereotypes about black people hardly know any black people and even if they do, have been given a negative view of black people through the media, newspapers, magazines etc. All the way down to ideals of beauty and what beauty or lack of it, should look like.
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@Danila:
That Ebony magazine link is great. Thank you!
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I’ll co-sign with “Strongblack” and “Mel”. It’s the irony of perceived superiority (genetics) and use of religion (non-White origin) that seals the deal for me…:/
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Abagond:
Whites are not happy being white…Bottomline! If they were happy, they wouldn’t waste time trying to keep black people under their boot. Black people were brainwashed to think that white racism was always about whites viewing themselves as better than us…Wrong! If that was true, whites wouldn’t obsess over black folk as much as they do…Real Talk! Jealousy and envy is the issue that we often overlook. There is a reason why so many blackwomen were raped by white slaveholders. It wasn’t just about having control over blackwomen, sexual lust was a major factor as well. Abagond, white people don’t wanna get deep with it on this level. Tyrone doesn’t care about feelings, I gotta keep it funky at all times……Yessssssssss!
Tyrone
Black Eros Movement
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. I’ve never heard a single white person express this view. I’m sure there are white folks who believe this, but they have to be a tiny minority.
You’ve always struck me as a sharp guy, so I’m surprised that you would err so completely with this observation.
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“These people hate us like WE kidnapped them from Europe, ripped them away from their cultures, split apart their families, enslaved them, murdered them, raped the women, mutilated the men and enacted Jim Crow laws against them.”
Of course, you think about your enemies the way you think they think about you.
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@ Teddy
I’m not understanding your reply. Elaborate please.
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Abagond,
Dr. Frances Cress Welsing theorizes it best. Please look her up and maybe do a post about her. It’s “white genetic survival” even Mark Twain commented on the insecurity of white skin juxtaposed to “beautiful black skin”.
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Good post, very uncomfortable reading.
It’s partly victim-blaming: the people on top want to believe we live in a fair world, therefore as the world clearly isn’t fair to POC there must be something wrong with them that caused it. But there’s more to it than that, because people who should understand all about victim blaming, like many white feminists, still manage to hold on to their racim.
I think Mel‘s explanation is part of it too, but it doesn’t explain why it’s so hard for white people to rid themselves of their racism, why white people cling both conciously and subconciously onto their racist worldview.
As for your points Abagond (thinking about whether they apply to my mindset, not disputing the general argument):
1. Narcissism A year ago I’d have said it was ridiculous that any of my self-worth came from being white: after all I almost never thought about my whiteness. But the shame I feel at reading about more and more white atrocities against POC, and the confusion I feel about becoming ashamed of my race, suggests that whiteness was a more important part of my identity than I knew. Or maybe feeling ashamed is natural, but doesn’t necessarily mean I was proud of being white before… I’m not sure yet.
2. Dichotomous thinking Yes. I can’t square “I am a racist” with “I am a good person” and I haven’t been willing to abandon the second one. I’ve currently fudged a compromise of “I am a racist, but it’s not my fault because I didn’t decide to be one, and I’m still a good person because now I know about it I’m trying to stop it.” It’s ridiculous, but hard to break out of this dichotomous thinking thing!
3. Moral blindness I don’t understand what this paragraph is trying to say. Is it basically the same point as paragraph one? I understand the statement about reparations which you explained to me a while ago.Could you explain what you mean when you say moral blindness? I can’t find a good definition of this phrase.
sepultura, I’m sorry about how your co-workers treat you, it must be so hard to have to deal with that every single day.
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No time now, but, if you know who did what to whom, even if you are pretty sure that your ancestors (barring the ancestors by rape) could not have been involved with slavery in any way for geo-historical reasons, but you know that you look like people whose ancestors did do those things, you have reason to fear the revenge of the black people.
And as you, seeing yourself as innocent, fear that other people will see you as guilty based on your looks, you are very close to seeing them as equally guilty.
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@ Jessica, I agree.
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Abagond,
There is a far more simple answer to your question.
If you were to unload your question just a wee bit and instead asked your “average white person (AWP)” to rate their lifetime experience with blacks as either “bad, fair or good,” the majority would fall below the “fair” level.
Now, you can chalk that up to “racism,” but who REALLY cares anymore?
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The fear part is true. The rest isn’t. It’s because they’ve lived in a neighborhood where that nice Black couple moved in down the block. Then the second family moved in, and they weren’t so bad. Then the third and fourth moved in, and they didn’t mow their lawn, they parked in other people’s driveways, played loud music all night, invited sons and nephews and baby daddies to “stay” for a while since he had nowhere else to go after being let out of jail. Then the kids couldn’t play on the block anymore without being assaulted. Neighbor’s houses started getting broken into and car windows get smashed. The corner deli got robbed and the owner got shot. For Sale signs started going up and prices started to drop and Section 8 landlords swooped in bought up properties for cheap flooding the neighborhood with hoodrats. Next thing you know you’re underwater on your mortgage and a prisoner in your own home.
The reverse is also true. They’ve bought a house in a really cheap neighborhood and get the stank-eye from your neighbors. They glare at you from the front stoop when you get home from work, throw trash on the ground in front of you when your sweeping up out front, and scream “AH KNOW YOU AIN’ MOVIN’ IN HEE-AH!”. Then you try to show up the community meeting where they talk over you, interrupt you, and say pass the sign-up lists away from you. Efforts to clean up that garbage-strewn vacant lot are met with “I’d rather have a drug-dealer selling out of there than a white person planting a community garden.” Your attempt to open a coffee shop is met with hysterical opposition and legal roadblocks thrown up by the poverty pimp councilwoman. That old lady in a red wig and robe gets all neck-rolling on you becayse the drug dealer you called the cops on was her boy Ray Ray who “wuz gettin his lahf tugevah”. Flyers are passed around of coffee shops and condos and cafes with outdoor seating with wording about how “HERE THEY COME” and what “the community” has to to do stop it. Then some would-be robbery victim shoots back and “the community” takes to the streets in protest of a white man defending himself.
The first part happened in Grays Ferry. The second part is happening now in Point Breeze and around Temple.
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@ Randy
“Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. I’ve never heard a single white person express this view. I’m sure there are white folks who believe this, but they have to be a tiny minority.
You’ve always struck me as a sharp guy, so I’m surprised that you would err so completely with this observation.”
Noone is referring to on the explicit level. What is unconscious and/or automatic/implict racism for $400 Alex. Is an indirect form that seeps through the cracks of the facade. Study up Randy etc.
As a white person i recognize it in my own people. Time to wake up Randy. The time for denial/avoidance has reached its end.
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Ahhh, so it’s OUR fault that they hate us and have hated us for centuries way before “That old lady in a red wig and robe gets all neck-rolling on you becayse the drug dealer you called the cops on was her boy Ray Ray who “wuz gettin his lahf tugevah”.”
First it was because we we uncivilized, then it was because we are subhuman, then less intelligent, then because we were born slaves. Funny how that works…..
Real funny. I have a feeling that if we a model minority, then we would still be hated. Just like Asians who they claim to love but love to make fun of. To the point of trying to make their scholastic studiousness and intelligence a draw back. White people have never needed a reason to hate Blacks.
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Abagond,
Another weakness in your theory is the lack of straightforward acknowledgement that our “white” perception of blacks didn’t start in some academic sense, but on the pee-wee football fields. It was further enhanced by infrequent trips to the “mall.” It advanced to the basketball courts starting our teenage years. It went from there. The “teaching of racism” was as invisible as you imagine.
Bro… It’s like you live in your own self-created bubble. Separationist at heart. Preacher of integration in the public sphere.
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@ Menelik Charles
Why do you think whites have racial envy of us? I’ve heard other Black people say this but for the life of me I don’t understand it. I mean, basically they have a lot of benefits in society that Blacks don’t have. Why would you be envious of someone who (in their opinion) is lesser than a sub human? I’m truly interested in what you or others have to say about racial envy.
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@ Abagond
This post is a very interesting one. It’s a question that I (and probably many other Black people) have wondered about for many years. From the time that I first realized that someone could hate me just for the color of my skin (this happened to me at the tender age of eight) to the (almost) age of forty I have wondered why. I could see if I have done something to you but to just hate someone simply for being different doesn’t make sense. It’s someone already stated they act as if we made them endure the Middle Passage, slavery, Reconstruction, Jim Crow and Ronald Reagan.
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Another thing that I don’t understand is why a white person who is supposedly so superior to a subhuman Black would want to lie down with one. I truly don’t get that. Why would a white man or white woman want to mate with someone who comes from a group of people who (supposedly) lacks simple intelligence, is uncommonly ugly and has no moral standards? If I truly didn’t respect someone or their culture, I would not be trying to get intimate with that person let alone have children.
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I think it’s important to ask this simple question, what’s wrong with white people? I think this post answers that wholeheartedly.
It’s not us or other POC with the problem. It’s white people with this extreme inferiority complex. This aversion to the truth about their history, and their constant convincing of being normal, good, or better than everyone else, doesn’t show how superior most of them think they are.
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@brothawolf:
I remember a post saying something about white men taking the land from red men and forcing chained black men to work it. I can’t imagine feeling good or patriotic about something like that.
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mochasister:
Yes, whites have access to money and power. It makes life easier for whites, but, that doesn’t have anything to do with race. Asian men have money and power, but, the women of their race are poached from them by other men. Blackmen have the least amount of wealth and power among all men, yet, blackmen love themselves the most because they’re black. It doesn’t matter how poor or rich a blackman may be, he’s a member of the “First Tribe” of humankind. That fact alone, gives blackmen bragging rights. Mochasister, do you have a clearer picture of the issue now? Never confuse wealth and race, not the same thing!!!
Tyrone
Black Eros Movement
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I’ve read the wholesale mistreatment of blacks by whites is a sort of psychological defense mechanism. For whites to treat blacks as anything less than an abomination would be to concede their humanity and thus their inherent equality. And so to accept that fact in the face of the centuries of irrational hatred and unspeakable violence perpetrated by whites against people of color would be to confront their own obscenity to the degree that would shatter their collective psychic identity. In effect, their souls couldn’t bear it. Hence, the charade endures.
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As Abagond has frequently stated, there’s nothing wrong with black people!
But there’s something wrong with white people.
They follow a religion, though hardly anyone calls it that, called WHITENESS which encompasses the white racial frame which is basically how whites see themselves (good, normal, nice, etc) how they see the world (their oyster to do with as they please) and how they see black people (folks to look down on, blame and fear).
And yes, as a collective they do have a crack in their souls which is why I continue to state:
WHITENESS IS DEMONIC!
It alters/harms/ruins the psyche of the card carrying members of the white club/religion. WHITENESS causes them to sever their spiritual/psychic bond/connection to other HUMANS that are people of color.
White people shooting at unarmed black victims of Katrina attempting to cross a bridge into another (white) township to alleviate their suffering …
White people BOMBING an American community known as the Black Wall Street ..
And on and on.
Whiteness is demonic. There is not one good thing about Whiteness!
Nothing, nada, zilch!
@ Jay & Thor
Why are you people even on this site???
What’s your purpose for coming here?
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I do’nt know the race of the children/parents, or of the school district members and teachers, but I thought this was despicably interesting.
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Parents outraged after homework assignment refers to slavery,… | http://www.wsbtv.com
Slavery homework assignment
Several Gwinnett parents contacted Channel 2 Action News in outrage after their children brought home a math assignment that referenced slavery and beatings.
Christopher Braxton talked with Channel 2’s Kerry Kavanaugh and said he couldn’t believe it when he read his 8-year-old son’s math homework Wednesday.
“It kind of blew me away,” Braxton said. “Do you see what I see? Do you really see what I see? He’s not answering this question.”
The question was a word problem that said, “Each tree had 56 oranges. If eight slaves pick them equally, then how much would each slave pick?”
Another math problem said, “If Frederick got two beatings per day, how many beatings did he get in 1 one week?”
“I was furious at that point in time,” Braxton said.
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Roach said the administration will work with teachers on how to develop better questions that are “meaningful and appropriate.”
That’s what the spokeswoman has to say about this??
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(That was meant to be a shocked face, it looks more smiley than I expected.)
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For those whites that are out and out racist and not just have one random prejudice but basically as a consistent behavior on some conscious or subconscious level.
Well; from what I’ve gathered, I want to say on this blog but it could be elsewhere, racism first really started out at about the same time people started enslaving via race instead of humanity in general.
And there’s this thing about a goat experiment, also can’t remember if it was here or elsewhere that I heard about it. Where these guys in the military had to do various tests and experiments on goats, and far as everybody knew, none of them had any specific phobias or dislikes of goats before they started doing it.
But it wasn’t long into the tests that apparently the various people involved in it started having negative opinions about goats, they are dirty etc….and so on.
Basically they know they have to do bad things against them, so they give themselves negative opinions of them so they can feel justified and not morally repulsed by their actions.
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@Oyan,
I think the “math” problems are deliberate. We’ve moved into an era where ppl believe it’s their RIGHT to offend black people because it fits into the larger philosophical point they think they need to make: our culture is too PC.
I can’t imagine how anyone writing these problems couldn’t look at them and see something wrong. It must be a case of wilful blindness.
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@Nom De Plume
You’re right, but they have means that helps them feel good and patriotic despite those facts. The same means should be used to heel those who are the victims of the past and present. This is how sick this society truly is whether they want to admit it or not.
@Matari
There’s no other way to put it. Whiteness IS demonic indeed. It’s pure hell inflicted on nonwhites. And the reason why Jay and Thor come here is because they don’t have anything better to do and they too are suffering from a major case of mental whiteness. Why else would they come to this blog and say the usual lines over and over again knowing most people, including Abagond, will never agree with them?
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In America, much of the racism is heavily laced with classism. Many white ppl just want somebody to feel better than so they can artificially inflate their self-esteem.
p.s. Does anybody know what happened to the commenter King?
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sepultura13
I’m reminded of this every day at work…the way I’m treated, compared with my co-workers, is sub-human at best. I see the backs of people’s heads as they walk by, as they do their utmost to not make eye contact with me because I might *GASP* say ‘hello’ to them or something! Being polite and cordial terrifies them, it seems…it’s truly INSANE.\
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Mostly every job I’ve had was ‘this environment.’ At my current place of empoyment, yesterday at the all faculty meeting, a woman in my division walked around in our meeting with a pen(?) that had a large doll like head of one of those minstrel faces from the 1920’s of a black face, with large white lips and large bulging white eyes. A black employee walked over to her and asked her what it was, and she proudly responds, oh, my significant other got this for me, and look what it does, to which the white employee held it up in the black employees face, and clicked the object, to which it lit up, from its eyes. This object was both a pen and flashlight. Very offensive.
She walked around with it all day in her hand.
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“After all, plenty of poor whites are racist. About all they have to show for it is this: “At least I’m not black.” And that gives it away: it is about white self-image.”
Is it White self-image or White privilege?
If a poor White man and a rich Black man are standing on opposing corners at 3am and a cop drives by, who is more likely to draw the attention of the police?
No matter how poor, being White has its privileges, don’t you think?
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@ commentarybyvalentina
I agree about the fact of white privilege even for poor whites, but I doubt many poor whites themselves see it that way, at least not at the level of material self-interest, which is what I was arguing.
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@ Randy
I never said they express that view. To the contrary, I said they avoid it with lies, twisted facts, stereotypes and all the rest. It is from the way they avoid it that I know they know it and know that it makes them uncomfortable.
If we assume you are right then we would have to conclude that whites are either not terribly bright (they do not understand how and why blacks got to America) or they are (and this could be true, unfortunately) even more breathtakingly delusional and heartless than I suspected.
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@ ArmChairPsycho:
You know just where I am coming from.
@ darqbeauty
Right, it has nothing to do with what black people are doing or failing to do, now or in the past.
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@ cj-canadian
The Reckless Tortuga videos on racism are great.
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The more I read this blog, the more it seems like a psychology experiment to me. Maybe, it’s just the way the blog comes across to me.
When reading here, I always feel that I should be on my guard. I think it’s a TRUST issue.
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@ Jessica
Yes, I will have to read her.
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@ Sarah
I should probably do a post on it since I bring it up quite a bit.
Moral blindness is where you are blind to the evil you do or which is done in your name. You lie to yourself, rationalize, minimize, remain wilfully ignorant, blame the victim, etc.
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@ Sarah
Right, which is why I think it is more than simple brainwashing and ignorance. It is extremely resistant to facts. It is too deeply held for that.
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@darqbeauty
“Ahhh, so it’s OUR fault that they hate us and have hated us for centuries way before.”
I dont think so, not about that centuries way before. For most of history slavery was accepted, and it has known many different forms, Hating slaves as a group did not make sense at all, it is as stupid as hating sheep. Dehumanizing them, making the free people, no matter how poor, feel in the same class as the slave owners, to prevent a revolution of the combined slaves and paupers against the powerfull slave owning class, makes perfect sense. I am afraid that this system of keeping the low low by playing the different low classes, is still very much alive.
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playing the different low classes against eachother, of course.
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@Tyrone
“There is a reason why so many blackwomen were raped by white slaveholders. It wasn’t just about having control over blackwomen, sexual lust was a major factor as well.”
I know that black boys are taught from a young age that black women must be kept on a pedestal and continually told how wonderful they are. Even so, women don’t really like this. For some reason, it makes us less attracted to you when you do this.
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“I know that black boys are taught from a young age that black women must be kept on a pedestal and continually told how wonderful they are.”
Who told you this? How do you know this?
Sometimes I read comments on this blog and have to just burst out laughing. Getting a good laugh is one of the reasons I probably return here too often.
In the meantime…..No mention of the Diana Abbott tweets about “divide and conquer” and current Labour controversy, seeing as it is so relevant to this blog and its topics.
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Abagond,
I guarantee that the majority of what you are referring to is a combination of moral blindness and simple ignorance. Since the majority of whites remain unaffected by racism today and yesterday, they have little to point out about it except that they are not!!!
Now to the point i am guilty of bringing up too frequently:
What is preventing you from summarizing the main points of your blog in a manifesto and having your followers forward it to as many organizations and institutions as possible around the country? I know i would damn well do that bc i believe that a manifesto needs to be written so that every time these act of moral blindness etc. are pulled publicly/privately Blacks, Whites etc. can refer to such a document and say this is what you’re doing and its been done ad nauseum by other white oppressors. Here is the document that proves it.
Just a thought! Bc i really feel that evry person needs access to such a resource. Otherwise they are doomed to repeating the mistakes of the same ignorant/morally blind family/community members that do the same shit.
It is like a constitution!
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@Happiness, maybe you should assume that Lara has a sense of humor, and merely indicates that women do not like it at all when mentioning a historical desire to rape them is considered as a compliment.
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Things white people like to do:
Be in charge/center stage – by telling black people how they should go about combating white racism practiced by OTHER WHITES by writing a manifesto/constitution.
News Flash:
Someone needs to read Racism 101
-especially the part where it says that it’s white people’s primary RESPONSIBILITY to get other white people to STOP BEING RACIST. This is not the responsibility of black people, or other POC.
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teddy,
I do have a sense of humor, but my comment was serious. Actually men rape women for two reasons, they are attracted to her or they want to punish her men.
From what I’ve heard, black women don’t exactly play hard to get. I just don’t buy this myth that black women were quaking in fear when a white man showed up.
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@oyan:
I don’t know the race of the children/parents, or of the school district members and teachers, but I thought this was despicably interesting.
Parents outraged after homework assignment refers to slavery
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I found the vid.
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“Who told you this? How do you know this?”
Black men are constantly talking about how wonderful, beautiful, and strong black women are. It seems like they are afraid to criticize them, and are over the top in their praise. I’m glad white men don’t do this, because I don’t like being idealized like that.
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Aside from a psychological need to justify their actions or simply to feel better about themselves I would say ignorance.
Black people are basically foreign, the other,exotic, not many white people have much of any interaction at all with black people, admitably much of that may simply be by choice but it still has the consequence of not knowing anything about that group they are not interacting/avoiding.
At least not on any real level.
That said; one of the most racist people I know gets along with black people and interacts with them fairly well, he just rarely slips up around them about it.
And ultimately because they actually believe these things, they’ve been told this misinformation their entire lives by their parents, tv, etc….and they’ve simply never questioned it.
Much like most peole don’t question their religion or historical and scientific teachings at school, they just process it, go on with their lives and rarely honestly think about it to the point its almost instinct.
Then of course factor in tribalism, nationalism etc…..many times minorities retain differences in their culture as compared to the main stream.
Which sure; they should be able to keep that connection but it also means that you are yourself defining and demonstrating to be “the other” by not becoming totally assimilated.
Though being a different race thats pretty much a given anyways.
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@Lara
“Black men are constantly talking about how wonderful, beautiful, and strong black women are.”
Well, black women have to be strong with all the BS that we have to put up with such as rumours, false information, tyrants, stereotypes, overexaggerated lies told about us everyday.
In fact, it is a black man’s responsibility to uplift black women instead of going around saying bad stuff about us, as if everyone else doesn’t do a fine job of that already.
Anyway, go and watch some videos on YouTube, you don’t always see black men saying good things about black women.
In the meantime….Back to Diana Abbott, why is everyone jumping on that woman….When white politicians say racist stuff, everyone just brushes it off as though it is nothing and they never say “apologise or resign” to any of those people. The main problem with being a politician is that you are under somebody’s thumb, you can’t say what you want to say without everyone wanting to jump on you and eat you…..I hate that.
@teddy1975
Why should a black woman, white woman or any woman find it a compliment that a brutish male wants to rape them? That just means that the creature, regardless of colour, cannot control himself. It’s a matter of self-control.
There also seems to be a lot of these stalker-like men prowling the streets as well. Self defence is important against a maniac/nutcase.
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Beats me, Happiness, that was the way I read Tyrone’s comment.
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I wouldn’t call rape a matter of self-control, most of them have plenty of thought about who it is they rape.
Usually go for the victims least likely to report to the police, friends, family, children etc…..
They aren’t people who lack self-control; they’re just people who like hurting and raping others to feel a sense of domination.
So I was thinking about Kenya Moore/other black women suggested for the part and their multiracial features and its not really fair to call black people self-hating for liking those who are multiracial, in the US most black people are multiracial so of course thats what they are attracted to.
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Totally wrong post; that was supposed to go on the Zula one, inregards to the Kenya Moore bit.
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Happiness,
I generally find it is nerdy black men who treat black women like queens.
I’ve listened to a show from someone named Thugtician, who is very critical of black women. He is too harsh, but my guess is black women behave like ladies in front of him.
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@ Matari:
Amen!!!
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@Lara,
Was that on YouTube? The Thugtician?
Ok, I just looked him up on YouTube, they have closed his account.
I think a lot of black guys treat women like queens not just the nerdy ones, just a matter of finding the right one really. Anyway, if a man is constantly criticising black women then I don’t bother to go to their channel again. There was someone like that on YouTube, blocked and deleted, he was always rude and annoying as well. Also, I tend to avoid those types of videos.
@V-4
“They aren’t people who lack self-control; they’re just people who like hurting and raping others to feel a sense of domination.”
That’s true. I guess a rapist knows why they commit this crime. I was watching a video on YouTube of a mass murderer who had been killing people, they were talking to him in jail, he looked normal as well and was well educated. I think he was executed, I didn’t watch the whole video though.
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What is preventing you from summarizing the main points of your blog in a manifesto and having your followers forward it to as many organizations and institutions as possible around the country?
Doh-re-me. You see it is like this, will he get paid? This is very time consuming and expensive, that which you propose. Perhaps you can set up a fund?
I know i would damn well do that bc i believe that a manifesto needs to be written so that every time these act of moral blindness etc. are pulled publicly/privately Blacks, Whites etc. can refer to such a document and say this is what you’re doing and its been done ad nauseum by other white oppressors.
From personal experience, they will do the following; Accuse this ‘manifesto’ of being ‘racist’ as it describes modes of speech and behaviour which occur daily;but it will be the blacks who are racists. Flipping the script seems to be something they are adroit at. White folks feelings have been hurt by this! This manifesto you propose will be branded a left wingnut, politically correct by a nigra who 1. Doesn’t know his place. 2. As per Randy, a sharp nigra. 3. He has hurt a lot of white folks feelings and sensibilities with his posts. 4. doesn’t know his place. 6. Once such a manifesto was sent to ‘institutions they would probably send the CIA or the National Enquirer(same things) after him. 7. One would have to have an inkling, just an inkling mind you, as to what he is trying to put across. My guess is that most don’t, this is evinced by many of the obtuse posters this blog has had in the past and currently has, who argue the inarguable. 8. He doesn’t know his place.
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Happiness,
My guess is black women got him shut down. Rule number one of PC is, don’t ever criticize black women, they are perfect.
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@Lara
I’m glad white men don’t do this, because I don’t like being idealized like that.
Is this your experience? No-one has ever treated you as if/told you that you were special or put you up on a pedestal? Often, this happens whether we ‘court’ it or not. You cant literally ‘demand’ that people think like this. But I must say, no wonder your posts often read as though you are resentful towards BW.
I can understand the pressure that might be felt with being idealised but I dont think it follows to the same degree in ‘day to day’ life i.e. people idealise celebrities as they are ‘sold’ a particular image about that individual but we dont really ‘know’ that person. In ‘reality’ people are much more accessible and their good points and flaws become apparent much more readily.
My guess is black women got him shut down. Rule number one of PC is, don’t ever criticize black women, they are perfect
You think BW are that powerful? Some people strive for perfection and like to be respected for this and why not. Maybe you feel that you’re not worth the effort but not everyone thinks like that.
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@ Abagond,
Most whites fear, demonize and hate blacks for one simple reason:
It’s all they have.
Self esteem, or lack thereof, is the reason why people hate. Whites were oppressed in their own land, hated their own lives, hated their women and ultimately, themselves.
Slavery was a great way to feel better about their dullness, lack of culture, lack of thanksgiving, lack of life…
You will never find an answer to this, my friend.
It exists because it can. And, sadly, it will never end.
Menelik charles is correct. Envy is a HUGE part of this hatred. Whites lack culture, so they adapt to the culture of others. They lack style, so they want our style, our dress. They lack dance, music, aging gracefully, food, soul, our bodies…so they want ours. They are reeling from this ” disconnect ” because they have nothing that makes their lives meaningful.
Oh…wait…they have money.
So what?
At the end of they day, they are still left wanting.
This hatred of blacks comes from hatred of themselves.
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@V-4
‘…one of the most racist people I know gets along with black people and interacts with them fairly well, he just rarely slips up around them about it.’
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I don’t doubt it. It’s the most dangerous kind of racism, IMO. It’s the ‘smile in your face/stab you in the back’ kind. He may not slip up around them now, but he eventually will. It always comes out in one way or another.
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@ Nom de Plume
The ” smile in your face, stab you in the back” kind is heavily seen in the workplace.
Most blacks are very aware of this hypocrisy. Whites have no trouble playing a round of pool / golf with the person they are about to slaughter.
I tried to have white friends in the past. At work and outside of work. Race always come up in the most uncomfortable fashion.
The Obama campaign taught me a lesson I’ll never forget.
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Truthbetold,
Thinking everyone is jealous of you is probably the reason you have trouble making and keeping friends.
Demerera,
Many black women are more confident than they should be. They are behind on every measure of success, and yet have sky high self esteem. Why?
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@Truthbetold:
The ” smile in your face, stab you in the back” kind is heavily seen in the workplace.
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I know all too well. I have more than a few scars.
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“Slavery was a great way to feel better about their dullness, lack of culture, lack of thanksgiving, lack of life…”
Or maybe they just needed the cotton picked.
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@ Lara,
Why do you insist on coming here? You are purposefully twisting words and ultimately missing the point. Please see example #3 of this blog.
@ Nom de Plume
I too have scars. That’s why I now work mostly from home.
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What point have I missed? You said that white people lack style, culture, dancing ability, musical ability, good bodies, good food, aging gracefully and soul. You said we are dull.
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“I too have scars. That’s why I now work mostly from home.”
I thought black women were strong.
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@Lara
Many black women are more confident than they should be. Compared to who – you? As stated previously, just because you have decided not to make an effort yourself doesnt mean others should follow.
They are behind on every measure of success, and yet have sky high self esteem.
I think its already been established that you dont know any BW Lara so I am at a loss here as to who you are comparing yourself with. Don’t forget, you openly admitted frequenting an online dating site that boasts that it is ‘number one for sugar daddies’ so perhaps we can deduce that you yourself have not reached any measure of success and need a man with deep pockets to support you.
Why? Why not?
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@ Brothawolf,
The inferiority complex is the underlying reason why we are made into demons.
Remember the resturant scene in Scarface?
Tony Montana said society needs people like him so they could point their fingers and say that’s the bad guy.
Whites need us a lot more than we need them. Without us, they would lack a comparison.
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“Whites need us a lot more than we need them. Without us, they would lack a comparison.”
And without us, you would lack indoor plumbing.
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@ Lara,
Last week, I wrote to Jay from philly on another subject who has ideas shockingly similar to yours. I wonder if there’s a secret club…?
I will not respond to your particular brand of ” dialogue” anymore.
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@ Truthbetold, oyan, and Nom De Plume:
Sounds like we bear the same scars. Two sayings come to mind:
“Damned if you do; damned if you don’t.”
“I must be a mushroom – I’m kept in the dark and fed a diet of shit.”
This is what the workplace is like, whether the environment is white-collar or blue. It’s frustrating.
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@Lara
“I too have scars. That’s why I now work mostly from home.”
I thought black women were strong.
By admitting that someone has been ‘scarred’ by past events suddenly makes them weak?
Seriously Lara, I have suggested it before but, I honestly get the sense that you have a masochistic personality. You come on here and contribute to conversations with people that, in your day to day life, seem to leave you reeling with confusion, resentment and envy and more than once, you have alluded to the fact that you dont respond well (inwardly) to being treated ‘nicely’. You seem to be oblivious to the fact that your posts reflect extremely low self esteem and instead, you make your comments and asides to genuine posters who come on here to engage and interact.
You can’t get frustrated by those who want to be treated decently and respectfully just because you seem to have come to terms with the fact that you dont like/dont deserve to be revered.
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Demerera,
If you have a problem with someone at work, you deal with it like an adult and continue to show up to do your job. You don’t request to work at home like a fragile little flower.
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@Demerera
“You can’t get frustrated by those who want to be treated decently and respectfully just because you seem to have come to terms with the fact that you dont like/dont deserve to be revered.”
Being treated decently and respectfully, does not mean no one is ever allowed to criticize you. Black women actually used to be kind of admirable, not anymore.
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Lara said:
“Black women actually used to be kind of admirable, not anymore.”
MMM I wonder why that is? could it be that they have been so mistreated that they no longer feel obligated to be nice to people anymore?
In your opinion, why do you think black women use to be admirable? is it because you ‘nice’ white people had your way with them? what changed?
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Sounds like Lara would be more comfortable at Stormfront. I wonder why is she here. What is she getting from visiting this blog other than telling Black women that we aren’t shit and have too high self esteem issues. “Curiouser and curioser..”
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Never mind I don’t want to hear your opinion.
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@Lara
Being treated decently and respectfully, does not mean no one is ever allowed to criticize you
I agree but, just say for one minute, that the kind of criticism you are facing is unjust? Are you not allowed to respond to that?
Black women actually used to be kind of admirable, not anymore
I guess this is following emancipation…..this must have been such a bind to those who expected people to ‘know their place’…
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Many black women are more confident than they should be. They are behind on every measure of success, and yet have sky high self esteem. Why?
Because they aren’t you ‘Lara’.
Or maybe they just needed the cotton picked.
Too bad you weren’t around then! You could have shown them how to do it. Better yet, they may not have even needed slaves with people like yourself; clowns and buffoons. They wouldn’t have gotten much ‘cotton picked’ though as they’d be too busy laughing. You put paid to the notion of white supremacy.
Please see example #3 of this blog.
Maybe ‘Lara’ makes these remarks to illustrate these points.
What point have I missed?
You didn’t miss the point, you missed the ship!
And without us, you would lack indoor plumbing.
Why? Did you invent indoor plumbing? Stop taking credit for inventions you had nothing to do with. The good ol ‘White Inventor Argument’. ‘Lara’, you are a comedian!
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Aba,
Even if whites pay reparations, that could not repay over 450 years of pain and struggle. Opportunities lost, souls destroyed, countless families gone. Most blacks can’t even trace their family tree…I know I can’t. My grandmother was forced to leave her home and put on some reservation on N. Dakota.
I can’t imagine how they could ever say, ” I’m sorry.”
And to be honest, I don’t know if ” I’m sorry ” will do…
Most whites hold on to their white pride like a badge of honour. No matter how bad things get in their lives, at least they have white skin.
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@ Truthbetold
Europeans will NEVER give reparations because they would then have to start doling out reparations to everyone. The Tazmanians, the Australian Aborigines, the Native Americans, the Native Canadians, the South Africans, the Japanese, ect. They don’t have enough money in the world to pay for their global terrorism. There’s not enough water on Earth to wash away the collective blood on their hands.
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Darqbeauty
Actually, Lara has been seen on Unamused’s blog which is like Stormfront.
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Truthbetold,
Exactly. Whites need us to be their punching bags.
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@Nana
“Could it be that they have been so mistreated that they no longer feel obligated to be nice to people anymore?”
Actually, it’s the exact opposite. Black women have been beyond reproach for some time now, and this had made them insufferable. Older black women are usually nice and pleasant. The young ones are not.
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Lara, seriously, why are you here?
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@ Darqbeauty
Yes. You are correct. This is why they live mostly with the lies they tell themselves.
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“Lara, seriously, why are you here?”
Because I want to be. Why are you here?
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We are here because this is SUPPOSED to be a safe place for us to discuss issues at hand without being subject to the condescension of people such as yourself.
As my mother says “We can’t have NOTHIN’.”
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Wow. I wonder how black folks feel when they hear racist white people say “Why do all black people…[insert whatever hateful gross generalization such as “smoke crack/have babies out of wedlock/take welfare instead of a paycheck”]?”
Generalizations = Ignorance
The fact is, poor black people and poor white people have more in common (and often know it) than they do with their wealthier counterparts. I promise you, many, many whites are too busy trying to hold their day to day lives together to spend time plotting ways to destroy or undermine black people.
And one of the reasons no one is getting reparations from slavery is because of the difficulty in deciding who deserves what/how much. Does an American who descended from 18th century slaves deserve more than a child of a 1st generation African immigrant?
My Nigerian husband’s great-grandfather was kidnapped as a boy by family enemies (other Nigerians) and taken to be sold to traders. He was rescued before he was sold, but who was the bigger monster? The buyer or the seller?
Anyone who thinks evil descended and is perpetrated only from white people refuses to see the real truth: evil lurks in the heart of all. Specific instances of racism, hatred and disrespect should be called out when it’s safe to do so. When it’s not, it’s everyone’s responsibility to bring it to the attention of the entire community (not just close friends) so the perpetrators can be punished and/or isolated.
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Lara, seriously on behalf of the morally unblinded white population (i.e. me), get the &*^% out of here. Your contempt for people of colour is transparent. You perpetuate ugly and outdated myths about people of colour. And you are clearly morally bankrupt and altogether ignorant. In other words, a pest that would have no future in a just society.
Read books by the innumerable black scholars/historians/authors. Do rereading of African/American/W. European history. And reach out into the community. There is more that you could learn than you would ever imagine. Especially, since your current state is less than nil. It’s dangerously misinformed.
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I see someone is using the Arab slave trader argument. The topic at hand is why WHITES demonize Blacks. No one here is saying that other people don’t do this. We are speaking of the subject at hand.
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@ INJen
I see your point and it’s a very good one.
But to counter point, the Jews were offered an apology with reparations.
The reason why so many whites remain silent about overt racism is because of fear of being ostracized by their own community.
I believe the reason why blacks will never get any kind of meaningful reparations is because we are still seen as subhuman whilst Jews (mostly) identify as white.
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@INJen;
The fact is, poor black people and poor white people have more in common (and often know it) than they do with their wealthier counterparts.
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Yet time and time again many poor white people will vote against their own interests.
@INJen:
Specific instances of racism, hatred and disrespect should be called out when it’s safe to do so.
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Agreed.
@INJen:
When it’s not, it’s everyone’s responsibility to bring it to the attention of the entire community (not just close friends) so the perpetrators can be punished and/or isolated.
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If that only worked. Oftentimes when racism is brought up to the “entire community,” people will still deny that racism was involved, and the person with the complaint will be accused of ‘playing the race card.’ I’ve seen it too many times. When you say, “…so the perpetrators can be punished an/or isolated,” this indicates to me that you personally have not experienced anti-black racism. A person who has, IMO, would not make such an assertion because they know it is not reality.
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@ Nom De Plume
All excellent points! Well said!!!
An example of this is all the backlash directed at Michelle Obama for urging kids to eat healthy and exercise.
When certain white racists make ugly remarks about her looks / body and some people point out that racism is the foundation, after all noone said a word about Nancy Regan’s ” Just say NO! ” , the offenders are quick to point out that it is the offended that’s playing the race card.
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@ INJen
I never said ALL whites. But it is a fact that MOST White Americans do at least one of the things in the title. It is not some gross generalization on my part or the mass hallucination of black people. It is a fact of sociology:
I never said that whites are the ONLY ones who have done evil in the world. But so far as Black and White Americans are concerned the evil done by others is not the main issue. If you run over my dog, telling me that dogs get hit and killed all the time just makes you look like a cold-hearted jerk. Likewise if your husband sleeps with another woman and then tells you, “Get over it, men do it all the time.”
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@truthbetold:
I think many whites believe that in order to be racist, one has to call black people the “N” word to their face, burn crosses in people’s yards, display swastikas, etc. POC understand that oftentimes racism is displayed in more subtle ways, which can make it more challenging to prove…and more easy to deny.
As for the First Lady, you”re right. Occasionally I listen to talk radio. You wouldn’t believe the vitriol out there. I’m amazed at how often they make fun of her appearance and call her “uppity,” a word that has racial undertones here in the U.S. Is that all they can come up with? No other First Lady has been attacked in this way, nor has any President. How many Presidents can you think of who have been asked to show their birth certificates?
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Inregards to jews and reperations; there are a whole lot less Jews than Black People in the US, probably alot less globally then there are Black People in the US.
I remember hearing the US has more Athiests in it than the world has Jews.
And its not like the US has a boat load of Athiests.
Basically its way cheaper; I remember a statement that supposedly even if we just gave comparable reperations to black people as we have the indians the price would still go up into the trillions of dollars due to the difference in size between the two groups.
Not that it couldn’t be done; it just wouldn’t be cheap.
When people such as Lara etc….make the comment or some variation of, that black women are hard to get along with I always find that strange.
I’ve always got along with them well enough; be polite to them and they are polite back to you the vast majority of the time, thats regardless of whether they like you or not.
Pretty much applies to humanity as a whole.
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@Lara
I’m here to learn something. What’s your excuse?
All you’re doing is illustrating the topic at hand. You’ve brought nothing – absolutely nothing constructive to the conversation. You’ve shown that you have a trace of narcissism and moral blindness with every comment you make. No one with an open mind takes you seriously. The only reason why you continue to show up is because you have yet to say something that would get you banned here. (I hope you will)
Anyway, whiteness trumps humanity from what I’ve seen. Whites and POC who are sick with whiteness will display the usual symptoms all for the objective of putting down other POC, including their own, and putting whites on some pedestal. It’s never about doing the right thing, but doing what’s right for white people.
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@Herneith
“From personal experience, they will do the following; Accuse this ‘manifesto’ of being ‘racist’ as it describes modes of speech and behaviour which occur daily;but it will be the blacks who are racists. Flipping the script seems to be something they are adroit at. White folks feelings have been hurt by this! This manifesto you propose will be branded a left wingnut, politically correct by a nigra who 1. Doesn’t know his place. 2. As per Randy, a sharp nigra. 3. He has hurt a lot of white folks feelings and sensibilities with his posts. 4. doesn’t know his place. 6. Once such a manifesto was sent to ‘institutions they would probably send the CIA or the National Enquirer(same things) after him. 7. One would have to have an inkling, just an inkling mind you, as to what he is trying to put across. My guess is that most don’t, this is evinced by many of the obtuse posters this blog has had in the past and currently has, who argue the inarguable. 8. He doesn’t know his place”
And all of that is (99% chance) very well going to be true. Nonetheless, we (meaning anyone that is anyone) need to INSTRUCT others how we are to be treated.
This is not to say that that instruction has been missing. I reassert this: I am not shifting the blame on people of colour. What i am trying to say is that in a perfect world we would never need to say it in a way that white people understand. However, unfortunately the world we live in is one wherein we have to accommodate the IDIOT-syncracies of the educate the uneducated and suffer the insufferable.
This refers wholly to white people bc the alternative is being in a state of constant conflict bc of their inability to appreciate the beauty/genius/languages etc that is black people. So others have to teach them.
Once a lesson plan has been written by someone on this board (i.e. any of the posters or owner of the site) or someone else thereafter, it is up to the rest of social justice minded individuals to have the fight on our backs for that effort. Executing the plan and addressing the misinformed and bigoted (i.e. any of those that come on this board or the hundreds of millions of whites across the world).
This is why i restate: It is the responsibility of a leader amongst the black community to write a declaration to the of racism. And then it is up to anyone who hopes for a better future to execute this dream.
JT
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@Nom de plume
Most of these poor whites will side with rich, powerful whites based on the association of white skin. They see them as people who have their best interest at heart even though they will get shafted in the end like black and brown folks. Still, they will point to the problems of society on black and brown people and never at the rich and powerful white men.
Also, whites have been taught in one way or another about what’s good and what’s bad when it comes to race. Whites who mean well believe that racism involves name calling, hate groups, and crimes against blacks. They were also taught that it existed heavily in the past and that it rarely happens today. Those who still commit to those acts are ousted by other whites. They don’t want to be associated with them which is funny considering how all blacks must take responsibility for a crime against a white person by one or a few blacks.
Now, at the same time they are taught about their many accomplishments, inventions, and heroes, and are shown how they are superior in subtle ways all the time. They see their faces as positive images everywhere. They are told that they are “normal” people, that they are basically good, and that only they have what it takes to make it in society.
However, what many of these white folks don’t know is that racism is also systematic or institutional, that history plays an important part on how society operates today, that they have many privileges based on their skin, and that they live in a society of white supremacy and they live in a bubble of sorts.
Some of them don’t know it. Some of them know it, but don’t care. Some of them believe they are victims of racism against them. And some of them don’t want to know it. They are so lost that you can’t make heads or tails of this and they prefer it that way.
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Break it down, brothawolf! Break it down!
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“Lara, seriously, why are you here?”
Everyone needs a hobby. ‘Lara’s’ is going to blogs such as this and making intentionally stupid and incendiary remarks. Either ‘Lara’ is a good comedian or is obtuse as to the ideas being posted here. In any case all ‘Lara’ should be met with is ridicule as should the other clowns posting along the same lines. They are here to be obstructive not instructive, nor do they wish to impart knowledge. Maniacal, ramblings such as HBD and other forms of white supremacy lunacy doesn’t count and that is what they contribute. To be succinct; they are full of festering fecal matter. A purgative is in order.
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WTF saying that white people have a crack in their soul and that history shows that there is something seriously wrong with them is a fucked up and incredibly racist thing to say. Don’t you realize that by saying shit like this you are having the EXACT SAME MINDSET that you accuse white people of having?
How is white=bad a better message than black=bad? both are just as misinformed, racist, offensive, and completely untrue. It’s sad to watch someone who seems to crusade against racism fall prey to it himself. It’s like you have adopted the same mindset that you attack white people for.
I don’t deny that white people do heinous and terrible things sometimes, but that does not mean that all white people have a crack in their soul. They are still people like anyone else. Demonizing whites in the same way that whites have demonized blacks is not okay. Don’t stoop to their level, abagond.
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@ baruga:
So if I demonized the Nazis for what they did to the Jews, would that make me just as bad as a Nazi? Would that be stooping to their level?
White Americans wiped out the Native Americans, took their land and then forced millions of black people to be slaves to work that land. They are STILL racist against them and STILL benefit materially from their racism both past and present. All of that is true. None of it is a lie or a stereotype or a gross generalization. I am not twisting facts. If anything, I am understating them.
You do not get to do stuff like that and expect people to keep their mouths shut about it. I am not demonizing them – their own actions have. They are the ones who marked themselves off from the rest of mankind and made themselves, in effect, a criminal organization.
And once again, I did not say ALL whites. I said MANY White Americans. It could be argued that only 10% of them are like that while the rest of them are fucking cowards, mindless sheep whose silence is bought and paid for.
Stop being a sheep.
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As always, abagond, you hit the nail on the head.
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Abagond, people will always find ways to justify their own prejudices and bigotry, you and I included. That doesn’t make them right.
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@ Baruga,
Can you follow this little illustration?
You might know that if one kicks EVEN A LOYAL dog long and hard enough, eventually that dog is going to have a REACTION to its oppression and mistreatment. No?
So then, is this dog just simply walking around on its hind legs (getting all uppity) and looking for a way to “justify” being a prejudiced and bigoted dog?
Baruga, “people will always find ways to justify their own” inability to reason reasonably, you included. That doesn’t make it a good thing!
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Why do whites hate, demonize, fear, look down on and attempt to CONTROL blacks?
It’s the control aspect that really gets on my last nerve!
No matter what area of life: education, finance, work, entertainment, religion, law – whatever, white people are always trying to CONTROL black people!!
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Reparations have already been paid: you have the privilege of being American citizens. What more could you ask for?
JT,
You can shove your instruction manual right up your ass.
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@ Lara
Its not an instruction manual. Its a Declaration to the End of Racism. It’s something that you could read every night before bed and grow Lara. Oh you would grow. Granted this would mean putting aside Mein Kampf for a week or two. I know thats asking a lot. But the White Supremacist literature…well, it’s not exactly supported by facts/science/history/truth.
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” It could be argued that only 10% of them are like that while the rest of them are fucking cowards, mindless sheep whose silence is bought and paid for.”
YYYYYEEEESSSS!!!!!!!!
Oh Aba, I so do love your comebacks!
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@ Brothawolf
“funny considering how all blacks must take responsibility for a crime against a white person by one or a few blacks.”
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
I’ve always wondered why society never sees all whites for being evil or deviant.
Look at the Penn state sex scandal.
Can it not be argued that pedophilia is a ” white man’s disease?”
Yet, whites maintain their status as top of the food chain when countless examples have proven otherwise that they are deviant by nature.
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@Truthbetold:
re: @brothawolf:
“funny considering how all blacks must take responsibility for a crime against a white person by one or a few blacks.”
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That’s why sometimes you will see black people give a collective cringe whenever a black person commits a crime. I doubt if whites have the same collective response when whites commit crimes such as high school, university and office building mass murders. They know society at large will not be judging whites as a group nor will it say, ‘Man! Those young white males sure are violent, aren’t they?.
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Lara, don’t be stupid, it might be a bit better now, but I have read testimonies of people self identifying as black, that they have never felt accepted as a US-citizen before they left the USA. Pretty worthless reparation thus…
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@ Nom de Plume
Hear, hear! Look at Columbine vs. Virginia Tech. Noone looks at young white males as violent, do they? Those young men were just individuals who did a bad thing.
The young Asian male at Virginia Tech was not afforded the same treatment. My coworker, who is Japanese, had to quit his job. The racism directed at him was horrible. Never mind that he was not the same ethnicity as the shooter but in the eyes of most whites, all Asians must be alike.
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@ Teddy
I am a black woman born in another country. Even though we’ve been here for over 20 years, I can tell you that I still feel very much like an outsider.
It’s impossible to count how many times I’ve been approached by whites who want to know where I’m from by my ” exotic” looks and my accent and inflection.
They automatically assume that because my skin is fair and my speech is crisp, I’m different from other blacks.
WTF???
Blacks, mostly, have a very clear view of America. It’s not that we hate this country but we know that it’s not perfect. There’s a lot of damage that was done at our expense.
That’s why when we see a white person yelling about how they LOVE America, we just have to look at them and wonder, Are you right in the head?
It’s as if whites view this country was a perfect place to live. With no flaws.
Must be nice to live in a world made of marshmallow fluff…
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Ok, I put my few words in here too. As for Lara, you are truly funny. “Many black women are more confident than they should be. They are behind on every measure of success, and yet have sky high self esteem. Why?”.
What an earth that means?? They should not have a high self esteem???
And once again, it seems that people here do not understand the System. One of the oldest song sang for the poor white in USA has been the one which says that they are, if nothing else, white, just like the rich, and therefore a bit like them and above every other ethnic group. And the poor whites are happy puppies yappin the same tune because they do not understand, that they are poor and in deep Sht because the rich white folks want them to be in that situation. Then they make the poor white fight against everyother poor and laugh at the stands watching this insanity.
I think it was one of the most powerful and corrupt poltical bosses of New York who once famously said: You can always hire the other half of the poor to kill the other half. They still do that, only more subtle ways.
When the wealth in USA is distributed in a similar way as in any other underdeveloped country, richest 10% having some 80% of all the wealth (if not even more), the 90% fighting for the 20% of wealth, the System works by institutionalized racism as one of the tools to keep the 90% out. This is something which I think some commenters do not get, no matter how or how many times it will be told, shown, proven or demonstrated to them.
Being a white person struggling economically in USA is because OTHER WHITES TOOK YOUR MONEY. Instead of going berserk about blacks, latinos, asians or what ever, you should be going berserk about the real problem. Why there is social injustice, why there is so much poverty, why there is no universal healthcare, why there are millions in USA who can not read, why there are hunderds of thousands who are hungry?
But what do you do? You go and vote the candidates who work for the System, you support them and cheer them on. I have no clue why.
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So, as I was saying about Diane Abbott and everyone jumping on her for her tweets. I don’t think she should quit her job either. I have heard much much worse from many members of parliament who happen to be white saying blatantly racist stuff and nobody says anything about any of them.
The problem we are facing in today’s politically correct society is that you have to have the same opinion as everyone else. Some people DO like to divide and conquer, a bit like these managers at work saying that lower grade staff members should watch other staff members of the same grade and report back, this is one of many divide and conquer tactics used, this does not even necessarily depend solely on colour, but divide and rule is one of many tactics used to pkay one group of people off against the other, in this instance Diane Abbott happens to be talking about some white people who do this…..I am sure this is happening in parlaiment and that is probably why she said it.
Also, she is the first black female MP, what better way to get her kicked out. When MPs stole money from parliament coffers, a lot of them stood their ground and went nowhere and have kept their jobs to this day.
Diane Abboot, do not quit, I agree with you……Some people need to face facts, she is merely stating facts….People are going to get offended but the truth is the truth.
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@ Sam
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. An explanation for this may be that systematic racism was an excellent way to keep poor, uneducated whites from learning that rich whites do not care about them.
By using blacks, browns, yellows and reds as the punching bag, rich, powerful whites brainwashed the poor.
What a mastermind, no?
Poor, undereducated and racist whites will vote AGAINST their own best interest, as Brothawolf stated. It is done because ” at least I’m not black.”
White solidarity prevails. Even though, they are being used.
I read a diary of a former KKK member who realized that he was being used by the very system that he swore to protect. This is where shame, anger and self loathing begins. This is also where most whites develop that ” fakeness” to live with the guilt.
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“Blacks, mostly, have a very clear view of America.”
That’s so true.
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@ Lara
“Many black women are more confident than they should be. They are behind on every measure of success, and yet have sky high self esteem. Why?”.
Hmmm, sounds like jealousy to me and this sounds familiar. Why can’t people mind their own business and do their own thing. Whay are you constantly watching to see what other people are doing? Sounds like insecurity…..Secure people ooze confidence because they ‘feel good’ about themselves.
This is a sign of low self esteem when you can’t live and let live and mind your own business about matters that do not concern you directly. It is also the sign of a control freak/tyrant/dictator, telling other people how to be and how to act because you are unhappy or dissatisfied with self.
If you were happy within yourself and your inner light was radiating and shining through, then you wouldn’t even be that concerned about why people feel good about themselves…..Jealousy and envy comes to mind.
Every person sees success differently, again this can be ground right down to “Esteem Issues”.
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Lara said:-
JT, You can shove your instruction manual right up your ass
Is this the kind of response to give when someone criticises what you say Lara? Not setting a good example here are you. And there’s me thinking you were a thick skinned tough broad…
LMAO
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@sam:
Instead of going berserk about blacks, latinos, asians or what ever, you should be going berserk about the real problem.
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POC are seen as drains on a society where white tax payers foot the bill. Apparently people forget that black people pay income taxes, too. The other day I saw stats that show what I have always known. More whites receive food stamps than any other group (by number and percentage), yet blacks are painted as the ones who are “gaming the system.” I don’t think income disparity will get the attention it needs until the media puts a white face on it. The black face it has now just makes people want to look the other way or scapegoat those who have fallen on hard times.
@Truthbetold:
‘Hear, hear! Look at Columbine vs. Virginia Tech. Noone looks at young white males as violent, do they? Those young men were just individuals who did a bad thing.”
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Unfortunately not everyone has the luxury of just being an individual.
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Truthbetold,
Why do white Americans owe you anything? Your ancestors were never slaves.
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@Truthbetold
“I can tell you that I still feel very much like an outsider.”
I have never felt like anything other than an American. Who do you think is a better citizen, someone like me or someone like you?
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It’s sad to watch someone who seems to crusade against racism fall prey to it himself.
Why do you think he is ‘crusading’ against racism? Did he hurt your white sensibilities and feelings? If I had a violin I’d compose a dirge for you.
I don’t deny that white people do heinous and terrible things sometimes, but that does not mean that all white people have a crack in their soul
Perhaps, but enough of them do, to create deleterious effects on racialized people.
Demonizing whites in the same way that whites have demonized blacks is not okay.
Why not? In fact, I think whites give demons a bad name. There is demons in hell weeping at the wickedness of you white folk!
Abagond, people will always find ways to justify their own prejudices and bigotry, you and I included. That doesn’t make them right.
In other words, this poster can’t come up with a retort to what you posted. The ol ‘Can’t we all get along whingery. I’d take cheese with my whinge!
Reparations have already been paid: you have the privilege of being American citizens. What more could you ask for?
How about some of those Yankee football players in their tights and shirtless!!!!!!
You can shove your instruction manual right up your a…
Congratulations JT! You’ve managed to unnerve this “lara’ person!
I doubt if whites have the same collective response when whites commit crimes such as high school, university and office building mass murders.
They don’t. Many a time I’ve had white people ask me why blacks do this, or why they do that, from the mundane to questions of criminality. However, if a white man is charged with paedophilia, he is just a plain pervert. A black man? Why do blacks behave like that, is what the bolder whites will ask you?
So, as I was saying about Diane Abbott and everyone jumping on her for her tweets. I don’t think she should quit her job either.
I think she should be promoted! What I found especially irksome, were the kerchief heads who came to the white establishment’s defence when they should have been circling the wagons around Abbott. Abbott for Prime Ministress!
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I have never felt like anything other than an American. Who do you think is a better citizen, someone like me or someone like you?
Truthbetold is the better citizen. Why? Truthbetold questions the status- quo and doesn’t blindly follow the herd mentality of white supremacy like you and your ilk do.This is why you are morally bankrupt.
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“I think whites give demons a bad name.”
I’m proud to be part of a dominant warrior race. You guys can have the prize for being nice.
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“Congratulations JT! You’ve managed to unnerve this “lara’ person!”
An accolade perpetually tarnished. Afterall, what is it they say about polishing a turd?
“I’m proud to be part of a dominant warrior race. You guys can have the prize for being nice.”
When you say warrior, you mean an individual that possesses a gun and hides in suburbia? Tough stuff us whites are!
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Dominant Warrior race? Which one would that be?
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@ Herneith
I’ve tried my entire life to grow as a human. It hasn’t been easy. We are not from America, we are multiracial and every member of my family is a different
shade / complexion with many accents.
The hardest part of my growth is traveling abroad to visit my relatives and seeing how they live and are treated in comparison to the United States.
It was shocking for me to go back to London proper and see many, many blacks, Middle Easterns, etc living and thriving despite a bad economy.
The attitudes are just different. There is a lack of ” we’re number one” mentality.
The same for when I visit the St. Ann’s in Jamaica.
There is a sense of unity, pride of culture and helping your neighbor. I remember we were at the countryside and one neighbor came to borrow some yams and potatoes. In return, he gave what he could: fresh tomatoes, herbs from his garden and a chocolate drink called ” Milo”.
Americans, not all of them but enough of them, are so concerned with being on top…they ignored more pressing issues, even if it’s to their demise.
When the Japanese had their earthquake, they had great composure, grace and unity.
I wonder if Americans would do the same…
Not because I question things, doesn’t mean I hate them. Yes, anger does come out but a part of growing as a person, is to challenge EVERYTHING you’ve been taught.
Especially the lies.
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Whites fear blacks because they know blacks, honestly, are no different from them. We’re human, but in order to make themselves “feel” as if they are above and beyond, they have to create this superficial difference through skin color and by mere association via skin color, they try to attach everything negative that a black person has ever done to black people in general—repelling anything remotely positive. Actually, this is so ingrained in their minds concerning black people in general, when they see a black person and that they are doing something positive, it almost hurts their feelings– completely blows their minds.
Similarly they try to attach everything positive that a white person has ever done, to their group—repelling the negative. A white person doing something negative, in the same sense, blows their minds…most of them “don’t talk about it”. Life doesn’t work that way, and people who use common sense can see right through it.
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@Lara
I’m proud to be part of a dominant warrior race./i>
Its all very well being a part of something Lara but it dont mean jack shi*t if you aren’t a contributor – judging from your posts on here its incomprehensible that you could be …..
You guys can have the prize for being nice
Full of contradictictions aint ya
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@ Indigoblu
I love the statement, ” it almost hurts their feelings…”
Yes. That’s why they try to find a way to discredit you…
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@Teddy:
‘I have read testimonies of people self identifying as black, that they have never felt accepted as a US-citizen before they left the USA.”
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I have read similar accounts. It reminds me of something called the ‘Perpetual Foreigner’ syndrome, if I remember correctly. I have witnessed U.S.-born Asian Americans being asked where they’re from. When they answer (without a foreign accent) that they were born in *insert state*, they are often asked the follow-up question, ‘Yeah, but where are you FROM?’ as if the Asian American didn’t understand the question the first time it was asked. It’s the ‘You don’t look like me so you can’t possibly be a real American’ way of seeing people.
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Has anyone ever read Brainwashed, by Tom Burrell?
I first time I read that book, I felt as if my nerves became raw.
Every bone in my body hurt. I cried. Openly.
It gave me a greater insight as to who we are, as blacks in America.
I had to read it 3 times to let it sink in.
I’m still trying to process it because it hurts.
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@Truthbetold
Agreed.
I haven’t read it, but now that you are mentioning it, I’m interested in reading it. I’ve been longing to read a good book that was not school related, so I’m going to check it out. Thanks.
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Now that I just “googled” that book, and saw the cover, I realized I wanted to read that book over 2 year ago and never got around to it.
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@ indigoblu,
You are welcome. Be prepared to be hurt by this honest book. I’ve had sleepless nights just thinking about it.
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@truthbetold:
‘When the Japanese had their earthquake, they had great composure, grace and unity. I wonder if Americans would do the same…”
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Perhaps. For a while at least. When 911 happened, I saw people of different ethnicities, ages, faiths and socio-economic positions crying, praying and hugging each other while proclaiming, ‘We are ALL Americans!!!’ When the dust settled, however, things went back to ‘business as usual.’
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LOL!!! Perhaps, you are right about that one.
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I’m proud to be part of a dominant warrior race. You guys can have the prize for being nice.
If you want ‘prizes’ go to Bingo. Warrior race my bunghole.
An accolade perpetually tarnished. Afterall, what is it they say about polishing a turd?
‘A turd by any other name is just a turd’.
Dominant Warrior race? Which one would that be?
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DEAD @ Herneith!!
I swear I sometimes feel like certain people are Elois and others are Morlocks.
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@JT
“When you say warrior, you mean an individual that possesses a gun and hides in suburbia? Tough stuff us whites are!”
There is nothing of value in their neighborhoods. They don’t set up nice stores or restaurants. If there was something we wanted, we’d be there, they wouldn’t be able to stop us.
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Lara, go back to Trollsylvania.
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White people create culture, and beautiful cities and fun. They just show up for it.
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@Darqbeauty, perhaps this will do?
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“Lara, go back to Trollsylvania.”
Amen. I was about to respond to her preposterous lies once more and then i read your post. Thanks darqbeauty. =D
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@lara: “I’m proud to be part of a dominant warrior race”
For starters, in which wars you have been fighting? What type of military training you have received? How about medals? Two, three purple hearts? Medal of Honor?? You would not call yourself a warrior just for fun, would you?
See, warriors go to wars. That is why they are called warriors. They war. Usually they are called soldiers, mercenaries etc. Sometimes they are known as terrorists or guerillas etc. But warriors do not sit at home front of their computers typing funny text or babble about race.
Warriors do not talk. They do very nasty and bad things. They maim, murder, kill, destroy, torture, beat, rape other humanbeings. War is like that. It is very, very dirty, nasty and dangerous. It is not fun at all. That is why people like you hire someone else to go to war. And that is why people like you are not, in any sense, warriors. Like Rober the Bruce very famously put it in AD 1314 in Bannockburn: Let us do or die.
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If you were proud, you wouldn’t be putting down black women like you’ve been doing. You wouldn’t be proclaiming that your culture is all that and a bag of chips while putting down other cultures especially those of African descent.
Someone broke you, and now you’re showing everyone how low your self-esteem is. I don’t blame you, if I were you and thought the way you do, I’d have low self-esteem too lol.
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Also Lara, for a member of a warrior race, you sure are emotionally and intellectually fragile.
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@Brothawolf
“Someone broke you, and now you’re showing everyone how low your self-esteem is. I don’t blame you, if I were you and thought the way you do, I’d have low self-esteem too lol.”
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: ))) Well bruh, WHITENESS breaks a lot of white people.
Lillian Smith certainly thought so!
I also think that it’s “whiteness” at the root of their being broken and why many of them act the same way some of the ones that come here behave. They just can’t help being the way they are. They went to far into that whiteness “cloud” and now they can’t escape. Only a lucky few can navigate themselves out of its grasp, and fewer still can remain/stay free from its clutches – e.g. Jas0n & Zek.
“Intellectually fragile?”
You’re being very kind & super-generous. lol
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LOL I could say some other words, but I didn’t want to disrespect Abagond’s blog.
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Abagond:
Group actions considered by our modern morality to constitute “atrocities” have occurred among nearly all peoples. Rarely do feelings of guilt appear to persist among the descendents. In the case of slavery in America, most white folks aren’t even related to the original slaveholders.
“Black” people in southern Africa arrived as part of massive Bantu migrations which displaced Khoisan, pygmy, and other groups nearly to the point of extinction. Do you know any black Africans who feel continued guilt over this?
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@ Randy
If whites deep down truly believe those sorts of rationalizations then how do you account for the hatred and demonization of blacks when blacks have done nothing wrong to whites, certainly not on the scale of what whites have done to blacks?
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I have not had many opportunities to experience the demonisation by Euro-Americans that so many of you speak of, but the ones that I experienced, actually bring me to different conclusions than that Abagond has arrived at. I will explain how I arrived at a different conclusion by first using an incident of racism that I had experienced while I was in Florida a year and a half ago to do an important medical procedure. In another comment, I will then show that the demonisation of Blacks has come about as result of Western civilization adopting a Metaphysics and Epistemology of Anal and Oral Sex.
During the medical examination that is required prior to surgery, I was examined by a young white male doctor (I believe of Irish-Catholic/Italian extraction) who appeared to be doing his internship. The gentleman, having examined me shirtless, and having read the form I had previously filled out, cracked a smug smirk, and asked in a most smug tone of voice “How’d you get those?”, referring to the scars from the gunshot, stab and surgical wounds on my upper body. I proceeded to answer that they were a result of robbery attempts. The gentleman then asked where I lived. I replied that I lived in the nation’s capital, to which he then responded “Isn’t that the bad place?” I then calmly explained that Kingston is home to almost half the population, thus making his statement a gross over-generalisation. He then smiled meekly and then proceeded to continue the examination , rather meekly.
The above anecdote gives us main points that will prove invaluable to understanding why whites engage in “demonisation.”
(1) Black men do not get shot, they get themselves shot
(2) Bad things do not happen to good people
(3) In lieu of exposure to Black people, bad things happen to black people because they are bad.
(4) Televised images are an excellent reflection of reality
These points can be attributed to:
Cultural Narcissism (1)
Narcissism , in this sense does not mean egoism or selfishness. Instead think back to Narcissus entranced by his reflection. He could not tell his true self from his false. And that is what modern culture leads to. An ongoing economic crisis, combined with the constant threat of terrorism in a world teetering on the brink of environmental collapse encourages survival – not living. Survival means you withdraw into a “minimal self”, there is no room for empathy, understanding or commitment. The focus on reality TV and hook up sex over relationships I believe are a symptom of this in the Euro-American community. They realise that a good portion of their selves is missing, causing them to use
Narcissistic Defenses
Splitting becomes necessary reducing the world to good/evil. Projection means that you place your own insecurities onto a scapegoat (Black rape stats). And withdrawal means that you only interact with those of your own kind, thus withdrawing into enclaves (White Flight). None of these defenses, however, are able to withstand Narcissistic Injury, which tends t come about during times like these.
I will hae to elaborate at another time why these are not exclusive to Euro-Americans, as well as how we have become dominated and subjugated by a Philosophy of Buttsecks.
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The Use of Stereotypes
White people feel that they are under siege, not merely due to external factors, but due to those within their own race that seek to create docile consumers by dividing them into different demographics so that they may be better exploited (this is also obviously the case for Blacks and other races). This used to be a distinct and real course of study up to the 1920s, (2) but is no longer made overtly known to marketing students. Nowadays, the stigmatisation of Blacks occurs as a result of confirmation bias (3)
If you were a white person would be inclined to watch a video called “Shit White girls say to Black Girls ?” You would not even bother inputting that into your Google search, instead looking at the latest Kardashian, or whatever would reinforce your beliefs.
It takes disasters, economic crises, total wars and other upheavals to create the type of existential crises to force people out of their long held beliefs. Perhaps, that may be the one good thing to come out of the recent economic troubles.
Sorry for being so long winded
(1) The Minimal Self – Christopher Lasch
(2) Propaganda – Edward Bernays
(3) Public Opinion – Walter Lippmann
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“Here was I, the white man with his gun, standing in front of the unarmed native crowd – seemingly the leading actor of the piece; but in reality I was only an absurd puppet pushed to and fro by the will of those yellow faces behind. I perceived in this moment that when the white man turns tyrant it is his own freedom that he destroys. He becomes a sort of hollow, posing dummy, the conventionalized figure of a sahib. For it is the condition of his rule that he shall spend his life in trying to impress the “natives,” and so in every crisis he has got to do what the “natives” expect of him. He wears a mask, and his face grows to fit it. I had got to shoot the elephant. I had committed myself to doing it when I sent for the rifle. A sahib has got to act like a sahib; he has got to appear resolute, to know his own mind and do definite things. To come all that way, rifle in hand, with two thousand people marching at my heels, and then to trail feebly away, having done nothing – no, that was impossible. The crowd would laugh at me. And my whole life, every white man’s life in the East, was one long struggle not to be laughed at.”
George Orwell, “Shooting An Elephant”
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abagond:
At the risk of complete oversimplification, I’ll just offer one primary reason why people in my majority-white hometown feared black folks: crime.
There was a far greater likelihood of becoming the victim of theft or assault if you went into a black neighborhood vs. a white one. My observation was that “white flight” had nothing to do with an anti-preference for melanin, but rather was a desire to escape crime and related social pathologies.
Also, one could see that neighborhoods which had previously received greater numbers of black residents had increasing levels of litter, unresolved home maintenance issues, and other indicators of community disorder.
I recall driving in the car with my father who would point out things like, “I remember when this neighborhood used to be all northern Italians. We were dirt poor but everyone kept their place tidy. Just look at how these houses are falling apart now.”
I suppose that you could say these feelings therefore originated from personal experience and observation, and not due to any grand plan to create group antipathy towards black people.
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@randy: And what you think caused all that “terrifying” crime and community disorder? Race? Color of the skin?
You are smart guy. You can figure this one out if you really want. Question is Do you really want? I bet you do not. That would be really scary indeed.
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What do you think caused the crime, Sam?
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Every time I go into my local Home Depot, there are a lot of black people in there. Yet, black neighborhoods still look run down. What’s that all about?
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“unresolved home maintenance issues”
Yes. Clear plastic is only a temporary fix for a broken window, not a permanent one.
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Wow, reading this I would think the white Americans here have no idea what a slumlord is. Or what not having money is like.
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@ Randy
My observation, having lived in places subjected to white flight, is that it is a self-serving racist lie that white people like to tell themselves. It does not, for example, account for why extremely few whites move to black middle-class neighbourhoods where crime is low. Or even why, in Manhattan, they live in neighbourhoods with markedly higher crime rates than the middle of Harlem.
In the early 1980s Chinatown was the murder capital of Manhattan. Yet I know people who had no trouble going there who would shake like a leaf if they had to go to Harlem. Their fear was grounded in racism, not fact.
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sam:
abagond
The immediate question was about how white folks came to feel a certain way about black folks.
I’d offer that proletarian people (aka “regular folks”) of all nationalities tend deal with the situations at hand without much concern for the grand sweeps of history which may have engendered them. That tends to be a luxury of the introspective bourgeoisie. The poor are busy scratching out a living.
In the case I described, people simply wanted safe neighborhoods for their children. Nobody cared “why”.
Even if you knew “why”, that would make little difference, as you’re not going to solve any grand societal issues being the peon that you are. You simply move from places where people are more likely to assault each other to places where they aren’t.
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On one hand I can understand to some extent the plight of the poor, on the other I remember a black inspirational speaker who came to my high school back in the day.
He made a decent speech about how any body can succeed if they put their mind to it etc….one thing that stuck out to me though was how he mentioned he was so poor that his house had a huge hole in the floor in one of the rooms that they had to walk around and it was there for years.
But unless someone is basically handicapped in some way there really is no legitimate excuse for that. Doesn’t cost much at the end of the day to buy some nails, a hammer and some wood to cover up a hole.
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If I may interject…
Most whites have kept up the facade, the lie of perfection for so long, they no longer know what it is like to live without it.
If I may be frank…that’s why I longer have conversations of meaning with whites. The truth, no matter how delicately put, seems to offend and torture them.
The fear you speak of, going into a black neighborhood, albeit a middle class one, is rooted in the racist belief that blacks are prone to violence and will attack ANYONE for no reason.
Satanforce said the whites feel that they are under siege.
Why is that?
Could it be that centuries of crime, rape, robbery, lies, falseness and deceit have home home to roost?
Projection is a big part of it. We tend to see the worst in ourselves and put them on to others.
@ V-4
wood, a hammer, nails and glue costs money. Not everyone has that luxury when the rent/mortgage, bills, food, gas is due.
@ Randy
Racism defies fact. It, by definition, defies logic. When people start coming up with reasons why they feel the way they do, backed by stats and science, they only serve to fulfill that lie.
And it becomes a never ending cycle.
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“If I may be frank…that’s why I longer have conversations of meaning with whites. The truth, no matter how delicately put, seems to offend and torture them.”
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…and EXCLAMATION POINT!
**it’s MOSTLY a gigantic waste of time and energy**
THEY can’t see truth, don’t want to see truth, and really don’t want to believe truth!
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@V-4:
‘….one thing that stuck out to me though was how he mentioned he was so poor that his house had a huge hole in the floor in one of the rooms that they had to walk around and it was there for years.”
“But unless someone is basically handicapped in some way there really is no legitimate excuse for that. Doesn’t cost much at the end of the day to buy some nails, a hammer and some wood to cover up a hole.”
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I guess this is supposed to be an example of how the poor don’t help themselves, or perhaps how they’re just too dumb or lazy to help themselves? I’m thinking that if I had a “huge” hole in my floor, simply nailing a board over it would not make it safe to walk on. I would try to cover it but I would still walk around it (especially if I was unable to repair it properly). Also, do we know if the hole was in an upstairs room? As for the length of time the hole was there, could it be that the family was just too poor to hire a professional contractor to do the work?
I wasn’t there to hear what you heard, but this sounds like another example of the “Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps” way of thinking.. Your comment also ties in wonderfully with the title of this post, “Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and LOOK DOWN ON blacks? Not being facetious here, but thanks. I doubt if I could have summarized it better.
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“The fear you speak of, going into a black neighborhood, albeit a middle class one, is rooted in the racist belief that blacks are prone to violence and will attack ANYONE for no reason.”
My brother, his girlfriend and my parents were riding the NY subway two weeks ago. A gang of blacks got on and approached a lone black man. Within minutes they were all punching him. One pulled out a knife and slashed this man’s face. My mom was really shaken up by it, she’d never seen an unprovoked attack like that. I guess she is just sheltered.
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“THEY can’t see truth, don’t want to see truth, and really don’t want to believe truth!”
Nope, we just don’t agree with you.
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Blacks have had the upper hand with whites for about 60 years now, in the United States. All they’ve had to do is throw a temper tantrum and they have gotten their way. Things are starting to change, whites are no longer so willing to give in to you.
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You people can’t figure out how to fix a hole in the floor? No wonder Detroit is on the verge of collapse.
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I ended up on this website due to a link from a website I was on to another article here.
What I see in the article and most of the comments here is exactly the same thing that whites are being accused of doing. On the one hand people want to be treated as individuals, and on the other they want to be treated as a group. On the one hand they want to be accepted for who they are, and on the other they want an apology or more for what someone elses ancestors did to their ancestors. All that ends up happening is a circular motion of distrust and hate that keeps the problem from ever being solved. This can be seen all over the planet, between and inside every possible grouping of humans, from race to religion to economic category. Most of history is represented by one group taking from another simply because they could. Peaceful tolerant places historically never lasted long due to this – they were wiped out/taken over.
My personal view on this topic is that the title is trivially silly. I don’t know any white people personally who demonize, fear, or who look down on blacks, but I know they exist. I did know people of the older generations who did but for the most part this was based on complete ignorance – they lived in an area where there were simply not many people at all much less a minority. Blacks were simply the “Other”. My grandfather who made racist statements infrequently also loved to watch Mohammed Ali box. A cousin of my parents who married a black man was treated hostilely by my grandparents generation (some of them) but NOT by their children. With rise of modern media, typical responses have been either becoming much more tolerant, or much more intolerant. I see the world for the most part getting better, but where it is not, becoming much more easy to identify and point out.
For me, I grew up without a single minority family in the area except for Native Americans who tended to be isolated on the reservations. I never knew any blacks until coming to LA for college, nor did I know much from television etc. except for the civil rights movement which I saw as completely justified given what I saw on TV. I really didn’t and don’t to this day know much about the cultures of say the deep south or the upper mid-west as I’ve never lived in those places.
My experiences on moving to LA varied. I’ve never experienced crime from blacks, although I have from white teenagers. The blacks in my college were quite varied in politics and outlook. I do remember being shocked when I was training as a waiter for a part time job (all the jobs were held by students) under a black captain being called an “nword’s nword” by some of the other black and white students working there. Most of what I (think I) know of blacks unfortunately comes from what I will call advertising – music, news, other media – not from personal experience. I doubt that the advertising is accurate, but the hip-hop music and its culture of violence disturb me. I do love Jazz, Swing, and early R&B.
Comments such as I see here reinforce in me a tendency when In the presence of a black person I don’t know to not say anything rather than say something out of ignorance they personally may decide is racist. Some here have apparently decided that not saying anything is also racist. Telling someone they are racist for such things is not helpful, either to them or you if the desire is to actually to become acquainted. If your desire is to simply reinforce an attitude in the minds of these people you are probably on the right track. I also read that in surveys that blacks are perhaps the least likely group to support gay rights, which intensely puzzles me.
Bottom line, I try very hard to treat people as individuals, and if you come from someplace unfamiliar, even within the United States, I’m likely to ask many questions about what it’s like etc.would I like to visit or live there. If I make a mistake jumping on it as racist is almost a guarantee that future interaction will be held to a minimum if only to ensure that such a mistake does not get repeated. Much more productive would be “why do you think that?” Being a racist, and obviously there are a few black racists posting here, is not a solution to being treated badly – and I doubt that anyone here, black or white, has any “power” myself included.
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*Waits for Lara to say something that will get her banned so the rest of us won’t have to put up with her/him.*
From most of these comments from Randy, Lara, and anyone else making similar statements about white flight, I find it tiresome but nonetheless insulting that one would think that black neighborhoods because of the association with black communities and destruction.
In the first place crime can happen anywhere at anytime by anyone. Black communities are not the number one places for crime to happen. Crime can occur in white communities, middle class and upper class communities. The problem is that cops are always in poor black communities for the stereotype that those places are cesspools for crime. Politicians and the news always – ALWAYS – make it seem like anyplace where black people are will be destroyed. But people like Lara doesn’t have the moral capacity to comprehend how that can be depressing because you know, black people are screwed up by nature because a racist white person told me so.
Why not try asking how and why crime happens instead of just assuming it has to do with culture or skin color? Why not do some genuine research instead of jumping headfirst into some myths and stereotypes like a crackhead jumping into an empty swimming pool? Why not take into account that your kind of mentality is harmful to others and yourselves instead of holding on to them as if you were Linus refusing to let go of your security blanket?
*Shakes his damn head.*
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Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?
Maybe they stumble upon the insane rants of the many black commenters here, including Abagond himself.
This stuff makes stormfront look tame.
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Amen Brothawolf. One need look no further than Abagonds comments’ section for examples of the narcissm, dichotomous thinking, and moral blindness he refers to.
Worse. They think they can speak for the experience of hate and discrimination that people of colour experience from the Whites and yet they are CLEARLY so far removed from the experience themselves. Really goes to show that a little bit of intelligence is a dangerous thing. SMH.
JT
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Maybe they stumble upon the insane rants of the many black commenters here, including Abagond himself.
Maybe they were already racist and just need something to use as an excuse for their racism. No-one can make you ‘racist’. That’s a decision you come to. It is like saying to the victim of a drunk driver that they shouldn’t have been crossing on a red light when they were knocked down.
This stuff makes stormfront look tame.
I see you have diverse interests, either you frequent stormfront or you don’t; if you do, you are probably one of their minions. If you don’t, you do not know what the hell you are talking/writing about.
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@ Brothawolf
I was in a mainly white town of Brookfield, WI on assignment 2 years ago.
Cops broke down the door of a mansion due to the fact that the owner was making crystal meth in his basement!
When this erupted, many people were, “shocked” and ” dumfounded” .
One person said, ” Hm. That’s unusual. You would think it would happen in Milwaukee.” Milwaukee is a segregrated town with blacks on one side, poor whites on the other.
Trying to understand racism will put you in Bellvue Mental Hospital.
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@Hernieth
I’m going to tap that reply right back at you and say that the beyond belief racism that is prevalent here and on many mainstream black websites just shows that African-Americans are just as racist (actually worse) than Whites are. There’s no self-censorship at all.
Black people who don’t remotely understand Whites are here spewing the worst vitriol imaginable and getting a pat on the back for it. Why in the heck should White people do you any favors at all, or treat you humanely when you are not willing to do the same?
You want equality right? Of course, we all do. You are also entitled to be called out and shamed for being a delusional nest of bigots too. I will say it’s more than a little telling how incredulous and fragile some of the black bigots are when someone with a contrary opinion picks them apart.
I have to wonder-are these the posts of the bigoted black liberal bourgeoisie or just a bunch of adroit White trolls doing an excellent job of defaming said black liberals?
Judging at the anti-White, Asian and Latino bile that passes for humor on Black pop culture websites, it’s probably the former.
On a positive note, it appears that the White left is slowly waking up to the hateful, racist black people they’ve been making excuses for all these years 🙂
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This stuff makes stormfront look tame.
I see you have diverse interests, either you frequent stormfront or you don’t; if you do, you are probably one of their minions. If you don’t, you do not know what the hell you are talking/writing about.
Actually Stormfront is monitored by SLPC, ADL, a whole slew of anti-racist organizations (some of them with questionable affiliations of their own) and thousands of curious minorities. It’s got one of the largest “lurker” populations on the internet bar none and googling up “stormfront” will pull up several threads on black pop culture web forums from posters who read threads there. The kicker on those black pop culture web forums? Many, many of those same posters whining about what’s said there (which actually has a stricter moderation policy than good Mr. Abagond) have NO problem saying the vilest things about White people.
Hypocrisy, thy name is the African-American mainstream. Oh, that neanderthal/honkey and his racism….
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Last post before I head to the gym:
Why I’m thankful for Black bigots like the folks at Mr. Abagond’s comments section.
You’re more delusional and even LESS intelligent than the average Stormfront or VNN poster so it’s clear you’ll never be a threat to the long term survival of the United States or Western civilization as a whole;-)
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@ Emily:
Please quote something I said and then tell us why it is racist.
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I don’t know about stormfront, but this is as racist a place as I’ve seen in the past 20 years. I see lots of complaining, and a lot of Catch-22 type “logic”. If that’s really all that this blog has to offer, then it is part of the problem and in no way part of any solution. The host doesn’t understand my point of view any better than I apparently understand his, yet he feels free to generalize and stereotype, all the while complaining that others do that to him. This is the type of place that rather than leading to some kind of consensus, can lead only to further division and hostility. Is that REALLY what the host wants?
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abagond
@ Emily:
“Please quote something I said and then tell us why it is racist.”
Abagond, look at your posts for a minute with an objective eye. You’re totally crazy and definitely racist. Is she/he actually going to get a useful reply from you?
Best just to ignore you and see if anything useful can come from interaction with the other racist black people.
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“It is white people who have a deep crack in their souls.”
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Abagond said:
1. Do you think that those white folks would have been welcomed by the existing residents of middle of Harlem?
2. People tend to naturally aggregate with their in-group. Where I grew up Italians, Irish, Germans, and Poles tended to live apart from each other.
Further, Northern Italians, Southern Italians, and Sicilians would each cluster separately. Is that “racism” too?
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Emily, are you ‘Lara’s’ cousin or sister?
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Lara/Emily/Ashley Todd.
Same $hit, different pile.
Check out the link if you don’t remember the lovely Ashley Todd. Lara, Ashley and Emily could be BFFs I’m sure.
http://exiledonline.com/the-daily-inquisition-ashley-todd/
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Yawn …
For the endless numbers of clueless WHITE folks:
See if you can wrap your little clueless minds around this: – again –
African Americans cannot be called “racists,” because they do not have the ability to deny anyone “the dignity, opportunities, freedoms, and rewards that this nation offers white Americans”
When, or if, black people begin chaining, shipping, enslaving, selling, lynching, raping, oppressing, exploiting, shooting, jailing, whipping, maiming, torturing, evangelizing, robbing, stereotyping, bullying, bombing, segregating, building highways and thruways to dislocate businesses, communities and neighborhoods; creating SUN-DOWN towns, experimenting on, discriminating against, prohibiting, murdering, holding back/controlling in every imaginable way while HATING WHITE PEOPLE en mass via de jure and de facto racism for HUNDREDS of years, then and only then can calling black people racists make sense.
Unless America’s historical and traditional scripts are flipped, the ONLY people who can possibly ever qualify to be racists, and “fight their (“natural”) tendency toward it,” are WHITE people.
Otherwise, the word “racist” – “makes NO SENSE!”
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Hahahaha!!!
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You apparently do not understand the word “racist” then Matari, as most white people have neither done nor have any power to do what you describe (as if you experienced yourself).
By the way, I detect a mental aberration in your post which indicates that yes, you would do all of those things you describer were you only able.
Yawn indeed.
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Dave,
Today, race is a discredited construct. It was not always the case.
It was devised by white people in the 20th and 19th centuries to forward ideas of colour based hierarchies.
Delineating the races of caucasians and blacks meant that politicians, diplomats, etc. would have an implicit excuse to withhold civil rights from people of colour. People of colour were excusably slaves if they were biologically/mentally inferior. Minstrel shows could only be hillarious if the subjects of them were already dehumanized. Jim Crowe could prevent contamination of inferior genetics. ETC. ETC. ETC.
Thus, a system was devised and perpetuated by WHITES in interest of WHITES, to the expense and oppression of PEOPLE OF COLOUR, a system very much still in the works.
If you took a single course in sociology/anthropology/history you would know that Blacks cannot be racist. They can be bigoted, prejudiced, hateful etc. but they cannot be racist. Because they are not able to nor have they ever been able to withhold rights from whites in a SYSTEMIC fashion as whites have been and continue to do today.
This is all coming from a white individual.
JT
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Rubbish. Race was hardly devised by white people, nor has the oppression of others on such a classification been limited to whites. Example, Japan over Korea and China. The definition of “racism” you use is meaningless in any context except as history. Simply being unable to exercise that power rather than unable AND unwilling does not make one not a racist – it makes one a racist without success to date. And yes, I have had plenty of college courses on such topics, but apparently not taught with the “color” you accept as truth.
Without whites willing to buck such systems in America blacks would still be in slavery and Obama would never have become President.
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“This is all coming from a white individual. ”
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I can’t help but LOL at THAT, because – as we all know, if an utterance comes from a white person, as opposed to a black person, the testimony is then seen as legitimate, “objective,” even-handed and carries much more clout and weight!
Yup, we’ve come a long way, but not nearly as far as some people think.
Black people, by and large, are NOT credible to “white” people which is part and parcel of what Abagond is persistently, doggedly always saying – in hundreds of various ways!!!!!
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why (in part) what Mr. Lister just wrote:
“most white people have neither done nor have any power to do what you describe,”
is an utterly amazing – LIE.
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“Example Japan, Korean, China”
Nice example.
Nationality does not equal race.
Ethnicity does not equal race.
Cultural group does not equal race.
Thus, Japanese, Korean, and Chinese would not be considered different races but of the same race. To be precise, the Malayan race. According to Blumenbach.
Let’s turn towards a neutral source. Wikipedia:
“The European concept of “race” arose in the 17th century at the time of the scientific revolution and the age of European imperialism and colonization.[26][27] As Europeans encountered people from different parts of the world, they speculated about the physical, social, and cultural differences among various human groups. During the Atlantic slave trade, human groups were categorized in order to justify the subordination of African slaves.[28]”
“In the United States, Thomas Jefferson saw Africans as inferior to Whites in intellect, and embued with unnatural sexual appetites, but sawNative Americans as equals to whites.[37]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_humans)
Now please tell me that race hasn’t been used to the advantage of white people at largely the expense of people of colour. Please tell me that so i know that i am completely wasting my time talking to you in the first place which every protein in my body already tells me as much.
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Where are these “people” coming from???
If there’s anything to be understood about racism is that it deals mostly with myths and lies and never truths. The truth is the enemy to the faith that white people are superior based solely on white skin and numerous myths about them.
Since this topic talks about, as the title suggests, why whites hate, fear, demonize, or look down on blacks, it talks about the experiences coming from blacks. It’s based on loads of research on the subject. And the proof constantly appears from different people who troll in here proving the topic’s three main points: narcissism, dichotomous thinking, and moral blindness.
The trolls that have been appearing in here rant in some way or another about how whites did great things and without them black people would be lost, or left to rot in Africa. They believe that blacks by nature are dumb, lazy, dysfunctional, violent, and oversexed. And, they don’t care to hear our pain, frustrations, or point of view (unless it agrees with them).
It’s futile to talk with them from a different point of view. They are too screwed up to give another person’s POV a chance, yet, they log into blogs like this for what? To disturb forums. To grab attention, and to spew their predictable bullshit.
And that is the truth. They can’t stand the truth. They devalue truth. They could care less about how “we” feel. They don’t care if we are suffering. In fact some of them want us to feel low, to be ashamed of who we are. At the same time they want us to worry about them. They want us to worship them. They want us to shut up and be happy while we love and respect them UNCONDITIONALLY.
These trolls here are mentally challenged, psychologically broken, spiritually absent, morally deprived, overprivileged, warped human beings with self-esteem issues and too much idle time on their hands.
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@ Matari
I realize that that is the truth of the matter (about the way in which the legal system/media/society put weight behind what white people say and discredit what people of color say). It was a poor choice of words.
If i were to reword it, i would say that I don’t believe this conversation is being had along lines of color/non-color but rather along the lines of empathy, acceptance, truth, and justice. Those that are empathetic, accepting and honest realize how loudly the bells of truth toll whenever people of color speak about their histories and experiences, discrimination and perseverance.
Those that are not empathetic, honest, and accepting stop reading after the first words about systemic oppression are written. Or they read but they take in zilch of what is SAID. They go on to verbal diarrhea what they were told from their trailer trash family about these matters.
I believe that I respect and listen. Therefore I believe that I belong in the former group. I apologize for the ignorance from that post.
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Unfortunately, JT, the Japanese have historically considered THEMSELVES to be of a different and better race than the Chinese or Koreans, a prejudice which still exists today. It doesn’t really matter that YOU consider them to be of the same race, the excuse for their behavior was exactly the same.
Here in this group I see people like the host who consider, based on their race, that they are “better” than other groups. I see still others who would obviously like nothing better than to engage in such behavior given the ability and opportunity. I notice you not very cleverly ignored where the very same Wikipedia article goes on to explore the concept among other races, as an example “However, the concept of human races is generally accepted in some other regions of the world, such as Asia and Eastern Europe”. The fact is that “race” is not a only a white concept, but is embedded in such things as the Hispanic “La Raza” name. The article you quote also says “Groups of humans have probably always distinguished themselves from other groups.”
It would be stupid to say that some white people historically haven’t used such a classification to derive advantage from other peoples It would be equally stupid to say that no other race has done this, or that a larger number of whites haven’t fought just such an advantage in modern times.
The idea of collective racial guilt is an example of someone trying to achieve an advantage over others based on the classification of race. It is racist, to the core. I feel no “guilt” over the past personally, but I do think that current Americans can and should do better than our collective ancestors did. My ancestors were for the most part not even in the country during slavery and those that did live here were Hessian soldiers. Should I feel “guilt” that they fought for the British against the rebel Americans?
Nobody here alive today experienced the vast bulk of what is being complained about, nor have the vast majority of whites benefited from the advantages of slavery. Yet many here want to claim victim-hood status, and you are apparently willing to accept oppressor status based on very specious logic. Now if your only interest is in speaking in secret code rather than solving whatever problem might exist, you are on the right track. Frankly, I have little interest in that and would rather look at where our common interests lie – that a small number of people are controlling more and more of the wealth of this nation. Race is irrelevant unless you want to cause division amongst those who are in the same economic straights.
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JT
I find no fault with what you wrote, or how you said it.
It did make me laugh, though!
As you just said, I was only addressing the TRUTH of the matter.
(Notice how the subject has now shifted/derailed to the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans? Looks like things are getting hot in Mr. Lister’s kitchen! Can’t stand the heat … derail)
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Please, Matari, do and try to stay focused. The claim was that “race” was a purely European construct. That has been shown to be patently false.
Derailment and diversion do seem to be your methods.
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@Truthbetold/Nom De Plume
Yes; those things cost money but over the course of years, they could have been able to get the resources to deal with it.
And I’m not bad talking the poor, been poor grew up with welfare and going to the dump to get clothes, toys and food. You did what you had to do to get by.
I’m not saying it had to look good or professional.
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There are alot of posts with White people are this and White people are that…Well, as a white person, i neither fear you nor do I believe I should give you special treatment due to the color of your skin. For whatever reasons, my ancestors did not like black people, but I am a new generation and made it my goal to include more tolerance and understanding into my viewpoint. I did not choose the way of my parents. But at the same time, as an individual, I don’t appreciate being told what my viewpoints are based on my race. I guess I could understand why black people are still suspicous and accusing us whites all the time..it is not going to change overnight. but please don’t generalize every white person in the same category..if you don’t want to be generalized either, then you could understand.
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Really Dave?
Bob beats his wife so its not big deal if Tom does it, she needs to shut up and smile at the dinner parties so Tom can get that promotion and she can get beaten in a nicer house right? People of color being quiet about America’s racial hierarchy is not in OUR best interest. Genocide, stolen labor, stolen identities, broken treaties, internment camps, reservations, experiments, segregation, white flight, police brutality, “ching chong” hats, good credit but bad loans, last hired but first fired (hardly ancient history), the list goes on but oh let’s not talk about that!
So what if your family wasn’t on the Mayflower, your johnny come lately European immigrant ancestors were let into the club based on their similar pigmentation and their willingness to “play ball” to preserve a white haven built on wholesale murder,rape, theft, exclusion and lies and YOU (with their -one more time – similar pigmentation) benefit from it and even take pride in it, America isn’t the result of pixy dust and pony kisses so don’t pretend that white people don’t have racial baggage (and not the head shaving, cross burning cliche degenerate BS either). Now the greed of the elites is waaay too obvious, jobs and housing are a problem for YOU, they were problems for different groups in the American population before that (and it has only gotten worse), it was called whining then but with buzzwords like “we are the 99”, anger and outrage at injustice is now legit and acceptable, see a pattern? You sir, don’t get to say “race is irrelevant”, it wasn’t engineered to “other”, dehumanize, and push you to the back of the line.
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Like I’ve said in other threads, the white americans do not want to admit that their whole counrty is based on racism. At first, racism against the REAL americans, the natives, which is still going on today. Yes, I have witnessed this by myself in various forms. Againts the blacks, yes, I have see this too. Against the asians, “chinks, dinks, slant eyes, dingdongs etc.” Against others “towelheads, ragheads etc.”
It is in the very core of the System, so much so, that white americans can not see it nor they want to admit it. Get real with the real history of your country. Find out the facts. You can see it yourselves! The whole System is made to benefit the very few and racism is one of the bed rocks of the System.
When italians came to USA in droves back in late 19th century early 20th, they were stuffed in horrible ghettoes and called as garlic eating greasers, dirty subhumans worthy only for manual labour. When the irish came, they were looked as monkey, just check any cartoon of that time. The only way these immigrants could begin their social climb was to join in the System, to accept its very core values, that there is always some other group beneath you. These happened to be the blacks and the natives.
The whole System is based on this: in order to better your own social status, you must join in and accept their values, and the racist world view. In order to get better life, you must step on somebody else. If you want to have a chance in this System, you must act the way that those above you will give you a pass. They will show you how to get on, but they will not let you rise too high. Only way to get in, to join the Club, is money.
Once you make a millions, you are accepted. At that level race is no more an issue. You can join the country clubs and golf clubs and such and laugh and enjoy with your white counter parts. And that, my friends, shows you what it is all about: Money.
Racism is one very important tool in the System. It is conquer and divide, keep those mexicans, salvadorans, dominicans, jamaicans, haitians, blacks, chinese, koreans and others fighting between themselves. Keep them hating each other, competening with each other, and they won’t even notice how you reap the harvest right in front of them. Dangle the carrot in front of them: look, P Diddy made it, so can you! Yes, once you have made your millions. Then you are in, at least as long as you have those millions.
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Dave Lister, get back on the Red Dwarf, of course race is a purely European construct. That is race, as it is under discussion here. One Drop Rule, “White superiority”, all that.
There might be some justification in calling it a European-American, rather than a European one, but considering Raza, as in la Pura Raza Española, as proof that “Race” is not a WHITE concept, just demonstrates your ignorance.
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Really really Gen. Once again all I see are mass generalizations, racism, and whining that life isn’t fair. I don’t recall anyone saying that they need to “shut up” or “be quiet” so once again we see the strawman set up to be torn down by those too emotional and without any reasoning ability at all. “Ching chong hats” (whatever those are) mixed in with a list including genocide do your point, whatever it is, so much good in establishing a sense of proportion as well. You feel free to protest “ching chong hats” though if you feel it helps your cause – which by this point I can’t even tell if you know.
Just what “ball club” do you think I’m a member of? Again, you want to be treated based on your own criteria but your behavior as an individual is so bad why would anyone want to associate with you? Another strawman gets set up to be knocked down in her “pixy dust and pony kisses” silliness, again, not something I or anyone else have claimed. America has racial baggage period – and people like you are doing nothing whatsoever to eliminate that and forced to conclude that without it, you wouldn’t know who you are. I came from nowhere with nothing and nobody gave me anything. I got a good education in a field that pays well and am not a boss or manager of anyone, black, red, white, or purple. Where you get off making all kinds of claims about me while whining that someone else does that to you is hypocritical in the extreme.
Now, I can tell you that I saw the problem of the elites from way back during the Reagan years, which means I’ve been seeing it a whole hell of a lot longer than you have, but you go right ahead and feel special in your victim-hood and demand that all whites are out to oppress you, all the while busy alienating any possible allies – such as GAYS – because you can’t possibly look beyond your own nose. Funny how you feel free to speak FOR all these other minorities when most of them haven’t any more interest in your juvenile politics and self-interest posing as morality than I do. Without allies and the ability to form consensus your self-interested whining will never be anything more.
The last strawman, that I don’t get to say that race is irrelevant gets set up by you Gen. I never claimed I did, so there goes that self-righteousness along with the rest of your unenlightened self-interest. What I would like to know is if a solution is even possible, and listening to people like you, I would have to say No. Fortunately in reality you don’t speak for anyone but yourself, and even that is so much noise added to an already noisy background.
Is this blog nothing but a mutual masturbation and whining arena?
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Teddy, you are free of course to make whatever statements you like, and without evidence they will be given all the validity they deserve. Frankly, I don’t care what you think about the concept of race, as without a doubt the definition is used as a political tool rather than in an overall historical context. I’ve already shown more than one example of a contradiction, which is all I need to do to make the claim worthless, and with little effort I could find many more.
As far as Red Dwarf is concerned, Dave Lister is one of my all time favorite television characters and I think the actor is very good. That’s why I use the name of the character. Interesting what Dave Lister’s race is, don’t you think?
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“Race is irrelevant unless you want to cause division amongst those who are in the same economic straights.”
You said that.
You are dreaming if you think not trying to sort out racial baggage won’t have an effect on who gets what if the country gets back on its feet.
White Americans have a long rich tradition of voting against their class interest because of racism so that ship has sailed, focusing on the gap without addressing the causes won’t fix it soo now I’m right back at my wife beating analogy and pretty much all of the previous post. If you don’t understand what binds the major atrocities to the smaller indignities in the list then I don’t know what to tell you. I’m not even going to get into your ally comment and ways in which race/gender/sexuality intersect, neither will I touch your bootstrap story and the irony of you calling me a hypocrite haha. You type a lot but say very little so I’m probably not going to read your next wall of text.
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“Unfortunately, JT, the Japanese have historically considered THEMSELVES to be of a different and better race than the Chinese or Koreans, a prejudice which still exists today. It doesn’t really matter that YOU consider them to be of the same race, the excuse for their behavior was exactly the same.”
And yet you haven’t been able to exemplify this arguement with a japanese philosopher, political theorist, economist from the 17th century or forward like i have (Blumenbach/Jefferson) with a W. European/U.S example.
And Blumenbach/Jefferson represent neither the earliest nor the most prolific authors on this subject and knowledge.
Moreover, you have provided little evidence to your claim that the Japanese racially motivated and propped up a whole economy based on that claim.
“Please, Matari, do and try to stay focused. The claim was that “race” was a purely European construct. That has been shown to be patently false.
Derailment and diversion do seem to be your methods.”
That seems to be a bit rich coming from someone who dived right into south-east asia for tangential evidence that barely even represents as much.
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Nope, Dave Lister always seemed pretty much compatible with a miscegenated future to me.With other words, though I do believe in the possibility of human races (subspecies, genetically distinct variants), I do not consider any hybrid between genetically different populations from Africa and/or from orher continents, as being anything but a generic human being. So Dave Lister is just “Species: Homo sapiens L.1758 Race: N/A” to me.
“Unfortunately, JT, the Japanese have historically considered THEMSELVES to be of a different and better race than the Chinese or Koreans, a prejudice which still exists today. It doesn’t really matter that YOU consider them to be of the same race, the excuse for their behavior was exactly the same”
Did they consider themselves a better people, a better culture, a better race, a better tradition or a better something else? The transition/translation of a concept between languages is often very hard. You claim that they thought of themselves as an English word, and I am pretty sure they did not do that.No contradiction, just another evidence that in the USA intelligence, unlike education, often seems to correlate with pigmentation.
“The fact is that “race” is not a only a white concept, but is embedded in such things as the Hispanic “La Raza” name. ”
La Raza is Spanish, thus Raza is a Spanish concept, White means European or descendant of Europeans in this context, Spain is a European Nation, and thus is La Raza a white concept.That some products of miscegenation use it to indicate themselves too, does not mean that the concept is not White.Where is your contradiction?
“I don’t know about stormfront, but this is as racist a place as I’ve seen in the past 20 years. ”
You don’t know about Stormfront? First week online? Got your vision restored by a miracle after 20 years? Please do tell. If this is really the most racist place you have ever seen, please do tell where you live, loads of dark folks would like to move into your neighbourhood.
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Wow:
1. You call me a racist
2. Refuse to back it up.
3. Hide behind a sock puppet.
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@ Dave Lister
Gen’s comment was great. She was not trying to disprove your statements but show how wrong your whole mindset is. You should reread it and try to understand it as if it might be true:
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@ just a white person…kind of
I never ever say ALL whites or EVERY white. I am not that brainless. If my statements do not apply to you, then great, I am happy for you. But in my experience, MOST of the whites that it does not apply to do not get upset.
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@ Abagond
It’s funny the number of times you’ve needed to clarify that (in my short time here I’ve seen it in a large number of your posts). I think you even clarified that with me when i first started posting here.
It would seem that whites take the greatest exception when they are being prototyped. It would be interesting to track how strong our ire is to the prototypes of people of color. For example, how repulsed or outraged we become when we hear Gingrich talking about the black food stamp epidemic.
Where is the roaring then?
JT
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@V-4:
‘And I’m not bad talking the poor, been poor grew up with welfare and going to the dump to get clothes, toys and food. You did what you had to do to get by.’
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Point taken.
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@Just a white person…kind of’:
‘…nor do I believe I should give you special treatment due to the color of your skin.’
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I think this where many white people err in their thinking. I don’t think the vast majority of people of color want special treatment. FAIR treatment is what’s really desired. I think people look at some of the programs and spokespeople out there and ASSUME special treatment is what people of color are demanding. Special treatment is not the the goal, evening the playing field is.
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Fair treatment with a smile, perhaps.
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“I don’t think the vast majority of people of color want special treatment.”
Yes, they do. And what is up with this term “people of color”? White people aren’t white, we are a range of difference skin tones.
@brothawolf
“And, they don’t care to hear our pain, frustrations”
Unless I’m your therapist, you’re right, I don’t want to hear this.
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Most whites in America will say this but they always seem to find one excuse or another to oppose any solid measure that would threaten the special treatment that society gives their colour of skin. Most > 80%, in this case.
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@emily valier aka @emilysnewfan:
So you’ve been hiding behind a sock puppet? You said you had to leave last night because you were off to the gym. It appears you are the one who doesn’t want to answer questions.
@emily valier aka @emily’s new fan:
‘You’re more delusional and even LESS intelligent than the average Stormfront or VNN poster so it’s clear you’ll never be a threat to the long term survival of the United States or Western civilization as a whole 😉
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This sounds kind of racist…and arrogant ; )
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“This sounds kind of racist”
Most of what white people say, sounds racist to you, so what’s the difference.
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@Teddy:
Smiles are cool when they’re genuine. 😉
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If I am going to be held responsible for something my ancestors may have done over 150 years ago, then can I hold all black people responsible for present day black on white crime?
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Why would you? You have nothing to lose from the way in which the system is currently structured.
There is no parallel here. I know the absence of one must be infuriating however you need to move on with life and accept that what is told to you is infact the truth.
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JT,
Are you talking to me?
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No the person behind you. =D
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That was sarcasm. Yes I am talking to you.
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Well, I don’t get your point. If you don’t want to defend your own race, fine, a lot of white people aren’t interested in discussing race. I just don’t see why you are so down on your own people. You know we aren’t the way the people on here are making us out to be.
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Well, I guess i would say that i’m not with you on your premise: that white people represent “your own people.” Maybe in a very loose way (i.e. melanin, socio-economic privilege) but in many significant ways, we are quite different.
I am surprised you haven’t found more of that over the course of your own socialization.
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White people are very diverse, we are interesting that way. We also don’t have strong race loyalty. These are good qualities, if you think about it. Even so, I’m not going to trash other white people just to be accepted by black people.
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“Is this blog nothing but a mutual masturbation and whining arena?”
Given the mindless whining of the responses I’ll take “Yes” as the correct answer. Feels good but ultimately useless.
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Actually, here hardly qualifies. If you want to see what mutual masturbation and whining is among black people, just go look for a forum or blog about “Afrocentricsm”. If anyone wanted to see Nietzsche’s Last (Black) Man in action, that would be the place.
Not even Black Marxists like those guys.
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A commenter answers his own comment about masturbation. Wow.
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At the homepage there is currently a profile on Ronald Reagan. At the end of that profile is on the welfare queen stereotype. That may be a good place to start in order to find the answer to your (rhetorical ) question.
But the whole pigmentation thing being a way to keep people “out of the clubhouse” is something that I don’t necessarily buy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_United_States#Educational_attainment
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/03/black_immigrants_an_invisible.html
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Reading this blog is rocking me sideways.
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No, abagond, nobody else answered the question directly. I merely point out the conclusion based on the indirect answers given.
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Brothawolf said:
“It’s futile to talk with them from a different point of view. They are too screwed up to give another person’s POV a chance, yet, they log into blogs like this for what? To disturb forums. To grab attention, and to spew their predictable bullshit.
And that is the truth. They can’t stand the truth. They devalue truth. They could care less about how “we” feel. They don’t care if we are suffering.
…
They want us to shut up and be happy while we love and respect them UNCONDITIONALLY.
These trolls here are mentally challenged, psychologically broken, spiritually absent, morally deprived, overprivileged, warped human beings with self-esteem issues and too much idle time on their hands.”
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White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can – very accurately – be described as deluded – about themselves and about the world they live in.
White people have managed to get through entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky:
a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac. …
People who cling to their delusions find it difficult, if not impossible, to learn anything worth learning:
a people under the necessity of creating themselves must examine everything, and soak up learning the way the roots of a tree soak up water.
As people still held in bondage must believe that “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make ye free.
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James Baldwin
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Lara:
Putting blackwomen on a pedestal is not about having control over blackwomen. As blackmen and men in general, we respect the building blocks of our humanity…God, Blackwomen, Family, Children, etc. If a blackman loves blackwomen, he loves black people…Bottomline!!!
Tyrone
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@ Tyrone
Save your energy for something more constructive.
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@ Matari
” a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac. …
People who cling to their delusions find it difficult, if not impossible, to learn anything worth learning”
Wow.
I’ve heard comments about why blacks don’t love their country and such.
This is an awesome, realistic explaination.
I’ve always said that it’s not that blacks hate America but that we have a realistic view of it.
And yes, delusions make it impossible to open ones’ mind. You become a mental slave to your own lies.
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@Truthbetold
“Wow.
I’ve heard comments about why blacks don’t love their country and such.
This is an awesome, realistic explaination.
I’ve always said that it’s not that blacks hate America but that we have a realistic view of it..”
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“… we are the victims of a kidnapping, enslavement, embarrassment [hatred, oppression] and harassment. Everything else should be moot. Frankly, no kidnapped person should ‘behave’ according to the standards of the kidnappers.”
Onitaset
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Matari, just when were you “the victim(s) of a kidnapping, enslavement,”?
I can believe some of the last two embarrassment [hatred, oppression] and harassment.
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Lara asked a question that I have yet to see anyone answer. Why?
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Lara posts a lot, what question are you talking about?
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“If I am going to be held responsible for something my ancestors may have done over 150 years ago, then can I hold all black people responsible for present day black on white crime?”
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@Dave Lister: No, not all of them.
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Teddy: ???
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Dave Lister,
I’m nowhere as generous as some others here, so I shan’t be feeding you any more TROLL food… please go beg somewhere else.
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Answer has been provided.
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Lara asked a question that I have yet to see anyone answer. Why?
You know when you’re on a long car journey with kids getting fractious and bored in the backseat and the same conversation keeps going back and forth from adult to child with little variation:-
“Are we there yet”
“No”
“When will we get there?”
“Soon”
“How soon?”
” X time”
A few minutes passes
“What time is it”
“X time”
“How long til we get there”
“Well, if I told you we were due to get there at X time, how long do you think it will be?”
“Yeah but, I want you to tell me cos its taking ages”
“Come on, you can do it, lets work it out together”
“Dont wanna, I’m bored. I wanna go home, its taking too long now”
Get the gist. Look at the previous comments Lara has made on other posts – i’m sure she’ll make you proud!!!!
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@ Dave Lister:
Lara is an attention whore and a troll. She is not serious about any of the things discussed on this blog. She just says whatever racist thing comes into her head and then sits back amuses herself with the reactions. She is not here to learn or understand or anything like that. She is a huge waste of time.
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You might be right, but it was still a legitimate question. Why do whites have to take responsibility for the crimes of whites from the past, and yet blacks don’t even have to take responsibility for current day crimes?
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Dave Lister,
Why should anyone provide an answer to someone who will likely reject it because it doesn’t sit well with her “views”? Why should anyone attempt to make you, Lara, or any one of you like-minded thinkers try to see OUR POV when in the end, you don’t care no matter how many times you ask for proof or evidence you would reject anyway? In other words Dave, why bother?
You think you’re right no matter what Abagond or anyone who disagrees says. So, what’s the point in conversing with you. For that matter, why come here if you don’t plan on considering different viewpoints? This is what I talked about earlier.
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@ Dave Lister
You also seem to be a waste of time, which is why I have said little to you. You have received some excellent answers and comments which you either choose not to understand or pick at the edges of instead of understanding the substance of what is said to you. And then, after not truly listening to anyone, you expect us to listen to you and your advice.
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@Dave Lister, “Of them”
@ Everybody,
this is sort of an race relations historyl IQ-test,
Click on the link,
You see’ll a picture from Surinam before 1863,
Watch it carefully
Count the slaves.
How many slaves are there?
Please post the answer.
http://www.schooltv.nl/slavernij/enlargment.jsp?vraag_id=10116
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I do see your point of view. I have put myself in a black person’s shoes many times. Even if I understand you, it doesn’t mean I have to agree with you.
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There aren’t any slaves in that picture.
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Lara, I’ll answer this question by asking this one: Why don’t whites take responsibility for their crimes, past, present, and way more numerous and destructive as well as become aware of the privileges they have as a result of those crimes commit by most whites, but expect all blacks to take responsibility for a few crimes by a few blacks against whites?
Frankly Lara, I’m tired of you. You are not worth my blood pressure much less my attention. I’m going to do what your parents have done and give up on you.
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Lara, to be frank, you are too intellectually and morally retarded to learn…or evolve.
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@Lara
Even if I understand you,
The $64,000 question is not if or whether you do understand but whether or not you care to comprehend. I dont mean in the tactile sense – more from the fact that clearly, your ‘prejudices’ dont impede you in day to day life so does it really bother you whether you ‘get it’ or not….
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@ Demerera:
That pretty much sums it up! 😎
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Lara: 0, the answer of the humanist dreamer, who has no understanding at all of Dutch.
The text under it translates as”The slave at the right has rented a slave boy”.
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Abagond, I don’t care if you listen to my advice or not, frankly, certainly much less than you care whether or not I accept yours. To say I’ve received “excellent answers and comments” is again stretching the definitions of words beyond all relevant use. What I have gotten are claims with no real backing, complaints with no real solutions proposed (other than white people are bad), and illogic and Catch-22’s that approach astronomical proportions. If I don’t get your POV it’s because it was either phrased in such racist language (by many here), made claims about what I personally think, is historically highly dubious, or simply ranting nonsense.
Here Teddy replied to the question without any context and thinks he’s done his job – and I noticed you deleted my reply probably because of the word “silly”. “Not all of them” is an answer if you know what “them” in the question is being referenced.
Someone posted a comment about how it wasn’t the job of black people to fight white racism, it was the job of whites. As if the correspondence of my skin color determines whether or not it’s my job. Turned around then it’s the job of the black people not white people to fight black crime and whatever other antisocial behavior blacks might engage in regardless of whether that’s their career, or they know the person, but only because they share certain familial characteristics.
Another person claims race is an invention of whites, which can be and has been shown to be false. European “scientists” developed what has been called scientific racism, but that was due primarily to the fact that science itself in a methodical sense was a European development following the end of the Islamic golden age. That pseudo-science was opposed by others at the time and has since been repudiated by the mainstream scientific establishment.
There seem to be many people here who are set in their world view that whites are the source of all evil, that all whites are responsible for what evil has occurred, and that we should simply accept that point of view as truth. I see people reinforcing each others distorted world view to the point where it becomes accepted truth in spite of the historical facts in contradiction. I’ve already said that I feel no guilt for the actions of anyone in the past other than myself, nor do I accept the flawed but apparently accepted notion here that I should without way more than I’ve seen here. By all means hang onto that, it seems so successful – and I’m sure you know the definition of insanity, right?
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Show that “race” as used in the country south of Canada, is not a European invention, please.
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Skimming through this article very quickly and reading some comments, this highlights one of the main things I absolutely do not like about the Internet, the ability for some people to return under a number of guises, characters and personas to wreak havoc, troll and generally just stir the pot.
After a while the whole thing justs gets confusing, especially having to read through the trollish posts. I never know whether I’m on a serious website or involved in an experiment, which frankly spoils my enjoyment of this website and wanting to participate/contribute.
How can I take anything seriously here when some of the characters appear to be disturbed in the mind?
You never know who is who on here.
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Where are these “people” coming from???
I’d hazard a guess and say Uranus. They are, for the most part comical. The perplexing thing for me is why do they bother? If I think someone is ‘stupid’ whether by choice or by inclination, I don’t talk or interact with them unless I am paid to. That speaks to their own lack of intelligence if anything. It also speaks to their lack of self -worth.
Unfortunately, JT, the Japanese have historically considered THEMSELVES to be of a different and better race than the Chinese or Koreans, a prejudice which still exists today.
But that happened to me too!!!!!
Here in this group I see people like the host who consider, based on their race, that they are “better” than other groups.
I don’t consider myself to be better than anyone. I AM BETTER, NO IFS ANDS, OR BUTTOCKS, I MEAN BUTS.
Should I feel “guilt” that they fought for the British against the rebel Americans?
Yes. Don’t get me wrong, I love Yankee men! I think every woman should have one, especially those fine football players in tights!
Race is irrelevant unless you want to cause division amongst those who are in the same economic straights.
Communist! Trotskyite, or Leninist?
Well, as a white person, i neither fear you nor do I believe I should give you special treatment due to the color of your skin.
Why not?
I don’t recall anyone saying that they need to “shut up” or “be quiet”
Shut up and be quiet Dave.
but you go right ahead and feel special in your victim-hood and demand that all whites are out to oppress you,
Dave, what do you think of woman-led relationships? Now that is oppression! Just ask any man in one!
Where’s Dr. Grizlickson when you need him?
If I am going to be held responsible for something my ancestors may have done over 150 years ago, then can I hold all black people responsible for present day black on white crime?
The only crimes here are your babblings! Call the Cops!
JT,
Are you talking to me?
No, your twin sister Ilsa, the she-wolf.
We also don’t have strong race loyalty.
Oh, but you do.
Feels good but ultimately useless.
That sounds like a lot of the men I have dated recently!
“Is this blog nothing but a mutual masturbation and whining arena?”
Maybe I should change my moniker to ‘Master Bates’, but I’m female. Mistress Bates doesn’t have the same feel!
Matari, just when were you “the victim(s) of a kidnapping, enslavement,”?
Last night.
Lara asked a question that I have yet to see anyone answer. Why?
Lara is full of turd that’s why.
She is a huge waste of time.</em.
Oxygen thievery should be made a felony over there in the States.
Why do whites have to take responsibility for the crimes of whites from the past, and yet blacks don’t even have to take responsibility for current day crimes?
Like I wrote before beeyotch, the only crimes are your constant babblings.
and I’m sure you know the definition of insanity, right?
I for one have seen insanity and its’ name is David Lister! Oh where is Dr. Grizlickson? At least he was funny! Seriously, you are one obtuse piece of bunghole matter! I don’t waste my time ‘explaining’ anything to you and your ilk except to mock. That is all you deserve.
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That’s true, Happiness. Oh, and that picture showed two slaves, a man and a boy, passing three free men, recognizable as such as they wear shoes, which was something slaves were not allowed to do in Surinam.
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@herneith: 😀
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Teddy, so everyone in bare feet is a slave? Who was the owner, one of the others in the picture? You are drawing conclusions that the picture alone does not grant. Also, nobody I know of claimed that “race as used in the country south of Canada” was not a European invention. That’s just another straw man amongst all the others that you seem to thrive on as arguments.
Hereneith, I rather doubt anyone pays you for anything, much less to hear what “insights” you might have.
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Dave Lister,
Why don’t you try and convince the rest of us that you are worth the free education that everybody has been supplying? Tell us why another minute should be spent on someone who ignores or refutes the facts? It would seem to me that you are, Sir, what we call a “lost cause.”
JT
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I can’t find the exact quote, but Abagond wrote something about white crimes against blacks, in the past, were worse than black crimes today. Total BS. A crime isn’t some theoretical thing, it is something bad that actually happens to a real person. Unless you are prepared to tell me black people’s lives are worth more than white people lives, you have no leg to stand on.
I would say black on white crime is more random and vicious, than white on black crime ever was.
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Lara,
Why don’t you try and convince the rest of us that you are worth the free education that everybody has been supplying? Tell us why another minute should be spent on someone who ignores or refutes the facts? It would seem to me that you are, Sir, what we call a “lost cause.”
JT
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Why don’t you answer my question? Any time black on white crime is brought up on this site, it is immediately dismissed. I want to know why. As far as race relations go, I am pretty open to seeing both sides. This is one area that is infuriating to me. If I have to be held responsible for a lynching that happened 100 years ago, then why can’t I hold all black people responsible for the violent crimes that are committed by black people, on a regular basis in this country?
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For all Herneith’s supposed humor, it’s pretty obvious to me that she is the stereotypical jealous, angry black woman. I have yet to see one comment of any value from her.
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Black-on-white crime is an issue, but not such an important issue as why Black-on-Black crime is more than the Black percentage of the population squared as percentage of all crime. That’s why.
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Black on black crime tends to be more things like disputes over turf and family or domestic issues. If white people are begin targeted merely because of their skin color, that is more alarming.
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@lara: Why it is more alarming? Because victims are whites? What about white on black crime then?
You know the whites lynched blacks quite freely in the South just few decades ago, actually during the life time of your grandparents, I guess. Actually blacks were lynched in USA for couple hundred years at least. That is without court orders, just like that, just because they were blacks. But I guess that was not too big a deal, right? I mean, some white guy is robbed by blacks today. Lynching is nothing compared to that, is it?
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The free education I have been given would be worth exactly that on an open market, but what I might have learned is that:
1. White people have a crack in their soul or no soul.
2. Everything bad that happens/good does not happen is the responsibility of whites.
3. That a white is racist no matter what he does or does not do personally.
4. Racial guilt, racial virtue, and hereditary guilt and virtue are all facts.
5. Whites solely invented the concept of race.
6. Blacks are not responsible for their condition or any improvement in that condition, from pregnancy, schooling, and employment.
7. If neighborhoods turn to hell following white flight, it is the fault of the whites who left, not the fault of those who stayed/replaced them and turned it to hell.
8. If schools in black neighborhoods are violent, it is not the responsibility of the parents/residents to change this but for others to fix this.
9. Black people cannot be racist because they have no power but all whites are because they all have power whether they know it or not.
10. Attacking a person and calling them racist is the correct approach for every possible infraction, whether intended or not.
11. That the list of four frames of a white persona talking about racism is designed with Catch-22 type logic such that a white person is always racist.
12. Because all whites are racist whether they know it or not, the only solution is for whiteness to disappear – a la the Final Solution.
Since I believe none of this, yes JT I’m sure in your racially polarized radically politicized mind I’m a “lost cause”, someone who believes that working together is the only solution – not conflict. I’ll wear that label proudly.
Interesting, as this never occurred to me before now but I’m sure it has to others, Cavil in the new Battlestar Galactica series is a direct commentary on race relations. Cavil’s excuse for genocide would meet with the approval of some I’ve seen here.
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@Dave Lister: Oh, grow up, man! You behave like a three year old in a tandrum. If you do not like whats been said here, think about why all these people are saying what they are saying. Try to think what is it what makes people this bitter or recentful, angry or what ever. They did not just pop out of nowhere and started to behave nasty. Instead of trying to do that, you just whine like a baby.
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sam,
White people are often murdered by black people today. I was not thinking of just theft, which barely gets the attention of the police.
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LOL, sam. I have avoided saying that very thing about the complainers here, and the lack of any useful solution proposed along with the complaints. What I posted is exactly, some of the the comments I have read perusing many of the older threads. So people are “bitter or resentful, angry or what ever”, that justifies whatever conclusions they want to draw as fact? I agree that in many cases there is cause, I disagree with the analysis and the lack of solutions.
Feel free to point out exactly where a tantrum has been pointed out by myself, or is “tantrum” another code word used around here?
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@Dave Lister
There are scientific studies that demonstrate that white people lack empathy for other groups, and also, that the more prejudiced the person is, the more likely that the person will also lack empathy for other groups. Sort of like a crack in the soul:) Here is one link, there are more studies if you google Michael Inzlicht.
Click to access Gutsell-Inzlicht-in-press1.pdf
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I see the pseudo-science of scientific racism is alive and well, but with those other than the mainstream scientists, including racists like vanishing point.
Is that really the article you are going to quote as support : “Results revealed no significant differences between ethnic groups on any of these variables, all P’s > 0.16, ns, suggesting that the actors from each ethnic group were viewed similarly, at least at an explicit level.” Nowhere does it say what you claim.
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@VP, No that’s not what the article you linked to claims, the article says that the three Earasian groups all showed that behaviour. White was just used in the example.
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@ Dave Lister and Vanishing Point:
I did a post on an earlier Inzlicht study (that does pretty much say what you are saying):
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Or
Click to access cdps287.pdf
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@Abagond, didn’t know you had done a post, now I get to read your take and all those comments, thanks:)
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Nonsense, abagond. A study that includes only whites as subjects, which this one did, says NOTHING about whites in the context of other races’ reactions to similar studies. You read what you want to read – eg. whites lack empathy for other groups. What it does say is the prejudiced individuals show a similar involuntary response on a test of responses to actions which themselves are neutral – drinking water. A scientist you are not.
JT, the second study does not answer the question: who were the participants, at least that I saw. A study quoted within that study however says ” Responses made by African American participants in
one study were indistinguishable from those of European
American participants: both groups were biased toward claiming
weapons in black hands more than in white hands (Correll et al.,
2002).” Your reading of this study is just as flawed as abagond was in reading his, or vanishing point in his.
Next.
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For all Herneith’s supposed humor, it’s pretty obvious to me that she is the stereotypical jealous, angry black woman. I have yet to see one comment of any value from her.
And you won’t in regards to any of your posts. No, I am not a ‘jealous, angry black woman, I write as I find. I find you and your ilk to be hilarious, hence my supposed ‘humour’!
Hereneith, I rather doubt anyone pays you for anything, much less to hear what “insights” you might have.
I don’t expect to get ‘paid’ nor do I offer any ‘insight’ to you and your kind, it is a lost cause.
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@Dave Lister,
I think you are focusing too much on trying to discredit this scientific study instead of thinking about the basic concept: groups favor and have empathy for their own group but not other groups.. And whiteness is the power structure in the United States. The whole concept of whiteness sets up a double standard that favors white people and disadvantages people of color. If we want to be moral and if we believe in social justice, if we want to uphold the beliefs that we claim that we cherish, than we have to find ways to increase our empathy for people of color and listen to the experiences that are very generously shared here.
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I didn’t discredit the scientific studies at all. I discredited unscientific conclusions drawn from them.
As far as experiences are concerned, I have a lot of empathy for people who are the subject of abuse and job/loan/education discrimination. I have none for people in here ranting about slavery and genocide, blaming all whites in the process. Nobody here has experienced that, how ever strongly they rant about it. Similarly, I have no experience of the other side, no matter how strongly I feel about it.
As an ally I’m someone who is all for coming down on the banks, businesses and whoever else has shown a pattern of intentional discrimination.
The power structure in this country is MONEY. Most people will never have much money, black, white, or purple.
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Hereneith, in understanding your thought processes I am indeed a lost cause.
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Dave Lister,
Just like your kind, it’s unscientific if it makes white people look bad, but on the other hand if it makes you look superior, then it’s legit. SMH.
You don’t know what any of us who are “whining” have been through, nor can you understand how painful it can be. Even if we do tell you, you will dismiss it. People here do not whine. People come to sites like this to vent in a space where it is reserved for people like us who otherwise don’t have an outlet. We are sick and tired of the shit that happened in the past AND present, and we’re sick of being told not to voice our frustration. The last thing we need is you and others like you telling us that we’re whining, when you have no damn clue what it’s like to be black in America.
It’s not your place to tell us what she should and shouldn’t think, should and shouldn’t say, or should and shouldn’t feel. If you do have empathy, you wouldn’t be constantly trying to tell us to stop ranting especially when you don’t know why. That’s not something someone with intelligence or morals would do.
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Brothawolf, but it’s perfectly ok for you to tell me what I think, what I should think, and demand that I accept your point of view. Obviously, you can’t read because I very much accept that many bad things still happen in the US. What I don’t accept is any group responsibility based on race when you wouldn’t either.
Again, if all you want is a site for mental masturbation on racial topics then I have no further interest. If “white people just won’t understand” in part it’s due to attitudes like yours with no free exchange of ideas. If the majority here just want to ineffectively tell each other how bad whites are and what they should do with no challenge to your ideas then so be it. If talking about what white girls say to black girls is the key issue of the week, count me out. I don’t care about generalizations from either side. You tell me.
As far as science is concerned, get a clue. It is never scientific to draw a conclusion unsupported by the data in question (or article in this case). Conclusions were being drawn and claimed based on these papers for support, when in fact the papers never made the claim, or didn’t conduct the level of research necessary to support the claim of the person here making it. I never refuted or tried to refute anything in those articles, only the misuse of those articles. They simply didn’t say what the poster in question claimed.
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@ Dave Lister
If you are going to approach what is said here with a closed mind, finding reasons to dismiss what people are saying rather than trying to understand it, then, yes, it is a waste of your time. And people will see you as a lost cause and not take you seriously – why should they? It is not because you disagree with them – it is because you are not even seriously listening. Half of talking is listening.
This blog, far from being just some kind of whine-o-rama of victim-hood, has plenty that examines and questions the very white way you think. White is not always right just because it paid for the microphone.
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Dave Lister,
I didn’t say, nor implied that it’s okay for me to tell you what to think, say, or feel. So, stop pulling straws. And don’t imply that I can’t read. (Is it because I’m black, and therefore illiterate?).
I was saying that is that this is one of the few spaces where people like me can talk freely about living in this society build on white supremacy. Also, I was saying that you have no idea what it’s like to be black in this nation. So, you think all we do is complain when you don’t know what we go through. You can’t make generalizations based on a lack of knowledge. We are not complainers, we are frustrated human beings trapped in a world your people constructed from the blood, sweat, and tears of the red and black man.
By the way, this assumption that whites won’t understand because of attitudes like mine is a tone argument to avoid the subject. People like me don’t have attitudes for nothing. Like I said, we are frustrated, and your stubborn and condescending attitude not to take us seriously doesn’t help at all.
We have ideas, but you won’t listen. You will assume this site is racist against whites without the slightest clue why and why it should be considerable. Most of us don’t hate whites, but we’re tired of the systems and mindset associated with whiteness in regards to POC, and we have the human right to express them.
As far as science goes, the same could be said about scientific racism. They’ve made conclusions based on pseudo-scientific research which have been proven unfounded or false. Yet, they still have a following where people ate it up without question because it supported their racist beliefs. If it sounds good, people will jump on it whether it’s tested or not. Since this was an experiment with some results that were less than favorable to a certain population, it’s no surprise that they would avoid it at all cost and discount it.
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@dave lister: “Again, if all you want is a site for mental masturbation on racial topics then I have no further interest. If “white people just won’t understand” in part it’s due to attitudes like yours with no free exchange of ideas. If the majority here just want to ineffectively tell each other how bad whites are and what they should do with no challenge to your ideas then so be it. If talking about what white girls say to black girls is the key issue of the week, count me out.”
There you go, behaving like a five year old who is mad when things do not go his way.
I don’t agree everything said here, nor I do agree with everybody all the time, sometimes I agree with someone for something, sometimes I dissagree in some other subject. What I do not do, at least try to avoid, is getting angry or insulted. Once you start to go down that road, it is a dead end. That is why so many use that kind of arguing today.
Like the talebans or other religious zelots, you stand up and shout: I am insulted! And that’s it. There are no more arguments. You just have been insulted and feel angry about it. There is no reason, just a feeling of being insulted and thats it.
You try appear as a reasonable man, but you behave like any Al Qaida spokes person or closed minded zelot. “This is it! You accuse all the whites! I’m havin none of it!”. The end.
You do not like to discuss about the slavery? Why? It is the basic cause of all the troubles between the blacks and whites in USA. That is a historical fact. To exclude that from any discussion about race or racism is not only stupid, but also dishonest. You can not wipe history away no matter how much it buggs you. One has to look history as it is and realise that we do not live in some La La Land which has no connection to the things way past. We are products of our histories, wheater we like it or not.
United States of America has a history of racism and racial genocide. That is a fact. Those things echo still today. That is why this blog is alive too. That is why you feel insulted and so angry about these things. But instead of stopping there, instead of just being angry and/or insulted, you should dive head on into the history and look at it as it is. Germans have done that, why can not you? They have no illusions about their history, holocaust and all, why you should have?
I understand that you get angry when some one here says “Whites this and whites that”. It is a generalisation. It may offend you. But at the same time, the black americans hear the same all the time. Even you say it in your responses: YOU do this and that, YOU say this and that about all the whites. Funny, isn’t it?
And even when abagond has repeatedly again and again said and pointed out that he does not talk about ALL THE WHITES, you take it that way. Why? That is something what you should think about. Where that comes from? If you are not a racist and you have an open mind and intelligence to engage in a open discussion of the suibjects, why do you feel so offended? What is it that ticks you off? If you KNOW that you are not a racist white biggot, why do you get so angry, insulted, annoyed? I don’t. I am a white man. But, I am not an american white man. Perhaps there is something there.
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sam, there is nobody here with the power to insult me in any real way. I don’t allow people with thinking problems to rent that much space in my head. I’m not mad, I’m laughing at you just as I do at the asylum represented by those people commenting on Fox News stories. The hypocrisy here is almost world class. When I say I’m having none of it that means I’ve run out of time to play with the children discussing topics like “what white girls say to black girls”. It means, ok, I thought this was an adult blog, but it turns out not to be the case, so I’ll leave as the real head cases here keep demanding that I and anyone else do who doesn’t tow their party line. I’m not mad, or going to be mad, maybe disappointed, but I’ll live.
As far as slavery is concerned, by all means discuss it. It is a dramatic part of US history, and a very sad blemish on the history of the country. But if I’m going to participate in that discussion, it will be because ALL of the details that are available from those times and the context in which it occurred are discussed, not just cut off at an arbitrary line selected for political purposes.
You mention Germany. If Germany had overthrown the Nazis themselves before they wiped out most of the Jews the moral line would be different. This country went to war in the bloodiest conflict on a per capita basis in which the US has ever been engaged to eliminate the scourge of slavery. Tens of thousands of people were killed or maimed in the US civil war. Also, Germany until recently was a rather monolithic society, with very little immigration. The USA is a polyglot country with a population base that for the most part came here AFTER slavery was ended. The parallels between that case and ours is tenuous.
I’m not offended, angry, insulted, or any other strongly emotional state of mind. I am a little annoyed at the lack of quality in the supposed facts that get tossed around, and I’m disappointed that the goal is not finding solutions, but in playing the blame game. If the whining from a few to leave is the consensus, I will. Simple as that. Not mad, or offended, but shaking my head once again at how silly people can be and wondering what it is you actually think you’re going to accomplish.
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brothawolf says “I didn’t say, nor implied that it’s okay for me to tell you what to think, say, or feel. So, stop pulling straws.”
That is not a strawman. The theme of what whites should do and think runs under practically every topic that I’ve read so far.
“And don’t imply that I can’t read. (Is it because I’m black, and therefore illiterate?).”
So, you have an attitude. It isn’t helping you reach beyond the choir. That really isn’t my problem. That’s a YP, not an MP.
That is called a “prejudicial question”. If I imply you can’t read its because you clearly haven’t read what was written. The fact that you would even weasel that “reason” in says worlds more about you than it does about me. I have done less stereotyping here than pretty much every other poster I’ve seen, including the host.
“By the way, this assumption that whites won’t understand because of attitudes like mine is a tone argument to avoid the subject. People like me don’t have attitudes for nothing. Like I said, we are frustrated, and your stubborn and condescending attitude not to take us seriously doesn’t help at all.”
So, you have an attitude. It isn’t helping you reach beyond the choir. That really isn’t my problem. That’s a YP, not an MP. It’s like an emotional person lashing out at everyone but wanting them to love and support them anyway.
Yep, scientific racism was not science. It was an aberration and a misuse of the word science. Some people ate it up, no doubt. Lately here it has been attempted to be used by those to show “whites are bad, or lacking empathy or (insert your claim here)”. However, in this case, the papers cited for support of that position don’t say anything of the kind. I don’t know what population you are referring to in this case, that show it in an unfavorable light and so try to avoid it and discount it. The papers themselves don’t do so. The claims people were making for these papers don’t sound any different than someone claiming “blacks have been found to have a lower IQ” or “blacks have been found to be naturally violent” – nonsense that also gets repeated by those trying to sound like they have a scientific argument.
There is no difference.
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abagond, if someone tells me that they’ve been assaulted, or raped, or denied a promotion, or kept from doing something because of their race, I’m all ears.
When someone says ” this is the way whites think, it’s wrong, and this is the way whites should think” then you will have a strong discussion for two reasons: one, because the thinking among whites is as varied as the number of people in that group. For two, you have no authority to tell me or anyone else how we should think. THERE IS NO MONOLITH. You are however free to tilt at windmills in this country.
“This blog, far from being just some kind of whine-o-rama of victim-hood, has plenty that examines and questions the very white way you think. White is not always right just because it paid for the microphone.”
That’s a strawman, which seems to be a preferred form of argument here – white is not always right. In fact, white doesn’t even agree on what’s right, any more than any other arbitrary grouping of people do.
It’s also nonsense, since you don’t have a clue about me, my politics, my history, where I’ve lived, and what I’ve been through. Similarly I don’t have a clue about your background. There are two options, common ground or hostility. Given that common ground seems to be out, I’ll leave rather than deal with irrational hostility. Again, not mad, not offended – both would rent space in my head.
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@ Dave Lister
All I know of you is what you wrote here and it is full of scripted, white racist tropes. That is what I based “the very white way you think” on.
My comment was not an argument, straw man or otherwise. It was just a bit of advice. Do with it what you will.
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@dave lister:
We can not have any solutions unless we know what is wrong and you keep on denying that there is something wrong. You call it “The Blame Game”. Catchy, but very silly. The only way to accomplish anything is to open it up, let the problems come out. You do not want that. You want to deny them, at least the ones which do not suit you. That is childish and very very immature. Just like your announcement that you are going to walk out. It is precicely the kind of behavior that a person has when he is feeling insulted/offended, just like you do, no matter how much you keep denying it. You are offended when blacks say that whites should examine their heads, right? Why?
Nazis considered the jews and the gypsies and slavs and others to be a race apart. They did not see their country homogenious at all. They attempted to make it such according to their ideology, that is by killing all the jews and some others. Some lesser races were destined to be as slaves for their “aryan master race”. I think that kind of thinkin was very much similar as the one which americans had when they slaved blacks and tried to wipe out the native americans. Arguments were very much the same for similar reasons.
The reasons behind the civil war were more complicated than just about slavery. Perhaps you have been brainwashed to think so by your official version of that part of your history. Some states fighting for the Union were actually supporting slavery and practising it. General Lee was an officer in US army before the conflict and originally wanted no war at all in which he was forced to take part in. The economic, political and many other issues were at stake. Not just slavery.
And on that note, when slavery was officially ended, what happened? Did the inherit racism in the very system of the nation and its government sees to be? Did USA hug and kiss the native population and accepted them as brothers? How come a black person could not drink from the same public fountain as whites in the South in early 1960’s? Why native americans were killed by federal and state officials as late as in 1970’s when they wanted what the government had promised to them in many, many legal agreements?
Americans, specially white americans, are very fond of talking about moral values, morals etc. That is why the country is very much a hypocracy, moralistic nation, which talks about the right things and does something else. You are part of that culture. Instead of taking a hard long look at yourself and your country, you want to control the debate. You want people talk like you want. You do want the support of your views and not anything else. You get offended. You get insulted. You act like somebody is calling your mama something dirty. But I am not laughting at you. I feel deep sorry. You are part of the problem, like it or not.
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Exactly.
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“We can not have any solutions unless we know what is wrong and you keep on denying that there is something wrong.”
Strawman Number one.
“You call it “The Blame Game”. Catchy, but very silly. The only way to accomplish anything is to open it up, let the problems come out. You do not want that. You want to deny them, at least the ones which do not suit you.
Strawman number two – or perhaps a reading problem.
“That is childish and very very immature. Just like your announcement that you are going to walk out. It is precicely the kind of behavior that a person has when he is feeling insulted/offended, just like you do, no matter how much you keep denying it.”
Persistent strawman claim in the absence of fact. Childish and immature indeed.
“You are offended when blacks say that whites should examine their heads, right? Why?”
Strawman number three. My response to that is the same as a black persons would be – whites and blacks are not a monolithic entities. In a generic sense everyone should examine their heads all the time. However you don’t know what I think, any more than someone who claims that whites have a “crack in their souls”. Some do. Most don’t.
“I think that kind of thinkin was very much similar as the one which americans had when they slaved blacks and tried to wipe out the native americans. Arguments were very much the same for similar reasons.”
Very likely, at least for some. Other Americans held the opposing point of view. At the beginning a compromise was attempted in the hope that slavery would end I suppose. In the end however an extremely bloody war had to be fought. In Germany no such actions occurred, although there were some Germans opposed to the system no significant rebellion happened.
“The reasons behind the civil war were more complicated than just about slavery.”
Of course it was. Do you really want to go off in the direction of state’s rights vs the central government and other related issues? The fact is that the rebellion itself was sparked by the election of Lincoln who it was feared would end slavery.
“General Lee was an officer in US army before the conflict and originally wanted no war at all in which he was forced to take part in. ”
General Lee believed he was a Virginian first, an American second, as did many other at that time. The war forced him to choose.
“Did USA hug and kiss the native population and accepted them as brothers?”
Did you expect to jump from the end of slavery to love in an instant? Nothing I’m aware of evolves that quickly, especially when attitudes have to die with the person before they change.
On public drinking fountains and the NA incidents, I don’t know. The drinking fountains were a fixture in particular areas of the country, ended with “separate but equal” doctrine.
“That is why the country is very much a hypocracy, moralistic nation, which talks about the right things and does something else. You are part of that culture.”
I agree completely – including many other actions like the war in Iraq, torture of prisoners, the war on drugs, the negative influences of the churches, the distortion of money power, the ignorance of the electorate, on and on. You won’t find me disagreeing with any of that.
“Instead of taking a hard long look at yourself and your country, you want to control the debate.”
Nonsense. I can’t possible “control the debate”. I also have a very jaundiced eye towards this country given that my wife and I talk about becoming political refugees to another country should the Republicans win the next election. You don’t know me, or what “hard looks” I’ve done in the past or continue to do. You’d rather make unsupportable claims.
“You want people talk like you want. You do want the support of your views and not anything else. You get offended. You get insulted. You act like somebody is calling your mama something dirty. But I am not laughting at you. I feel deep sorry.”
More repetitive strawman claims. Get over them, they are not factual they are merely an attempt to make me the subject of your debate rather than whatever issue exists. If that’s how you debate, I can well believe that you’ve never gotten anywhere with one.
“You are part of the problem, like it or not.”
1/312,841,543th of the problem as of this exact moment.
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“All I know of you is what you wrote here and it is full of scripted, white racist tropes.” “Do with it what you will.”
I’ll take that drunken nonsense with a beer chaser please.
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@ Dave Lister
I’m a little confused as to why you are here. You pretty much have to be looking for this blog to find it and it primarily deals with Black issues.
I personally would never go to a website that dealt with White issues and do what you are doing, so you don’t see anything strange about your presence here?
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Ah yes, another demand for compliance. If this blog “primarily dealt with black issues” it wouldn’t spend so much time talking about perceived white issues and what whites should do to change.
I’ve already stated how I found this blog, and no, I wasn’t looking for it. It is interesting to find a blog that is a mirror image of some of the tamer white racist websites.
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@ Dave
I too am confused as to why you are here.
The reason why we, as people of colour, spend so much time discussing whiteness is because we are constantly at the brunt of it.
Black issues are indeed comingled with white issues because of this racist society.
You cannot deny that there is one without the other.
If you do…please find another blog.
This is not the one for you.
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Of course issues are comingled, but that wasn’t what the previous poster claimed now, was it.
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@ Dave Lister
I am not asking you to comply with anything. Why are you so defensive?
I think the problem is that you don’t think you are brainwashed. You don’t think there is anything wrong with you. You think you are a completely rational thinker. You are not.
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I may not be a “completely rational thinker”, SomeGuy, but compared to anyone I’ve seen post in response to me I’m the ultimate rational thinker.
Anyone who has to ask why someone is a little defensive given the silly responses is pretty far down the list.
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@Dave Lister
When a person goes to Alcoholics Annonymous, one of the first things they do is stand up and say, “Hi, I am so-and-so. I’m an alcholic.” The person humbly acknowledges his affliction. That individual may slip up, now and then, but at least he recognizes the problem and takes each day as he can.
You haven’t even entered the building yet, much less SERIOUSLY admit you have a problem.
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Did you have something relevant to say, SomeGuy, or were you just randomly sniping with BS?
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@dave lister: “On public drinking fountains and the NA incidents, I don’t know.”
That is right, you do not know, and yet you make claims here like you know. That, my friend, is part of the problem. If you knew that federal officers shot down unarmed native americans in 70’s and got easily away with that, you would come down from your high horse and start to talk about the issues instead of acting like the highest authority on everyhting or some highschool debate club referee.
If, by some miracle accident, you would’ve been looking at a gun pointed at you just because the officer of law took you by mistake as an native one, you would have another kind of perspective towards these issues. I can assure you, it is very much claryfying moment when you realize, that your life is in danger because the policies of the federal state by an officer of that said state. Just because they mistakenly think you are part of a group they are after because of their race identity. Or when you are in a car with young black men at night and two police cruisers stop you “just to check you out”. Those are moments which make some issues very clear very fast.
Now, before you start throwing straw men around again, these incidents are real. They happen in USA every day. Racial profiling is alive and doing extremely well. That is part of the problem and that is why some of the black commenters here seem to be a bit annoyed towards the white americans. I very well understand that perhaps you never have had such experiences and regard them as fanciful story telling, but if so, then that is also part of the problem. Perhaps you understand what I am trying to say.Perhaps you do not.
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@Someguy:
in response to @Dave Lister:
‘When a person goes to Alcoholics Annonymous, one of the first things they do is stand up and say, “Hi, I am so-and-so. I’m an alcholic.” The person humbly acknowledges his affliction. That individual may slip up, now and then, but at least he recognizes the problem and takes each day as he can.”
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I was going to use that same analogy for a comment on a different thread. It is so fitting. In order to overcome a problem, one has to admit that there IS a problem.
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Dave Lister,
You’re no different than the other trolls stop by. You throw around your arrogance and conceitedness trying not to take in what other people are saying while, on the other hand, expect them to agree with you. Abagond, Sam, Truthbetold, SomeGuy, and myself disagree with you and presented sound reasons as to why. You on the other hand can’t accept it, and as a result become defensive making childish insults.
We are just saying that there is another side to the stories that you’ve obviously been taught since day one, and that side should never be discounted simply because you have an inability to understand them. You could at least try to see it from a different perspective. Now, I know you’re thinking that it applies to us as well, but the problem is WE ALWAYS HEAR IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHITES, and what you’re saying is what we hear all the time. You see in the world of whiteness, we have to learn what you learn, see what you see, think what you think, and feel what you feel. However, you don’t have to learn, see, think, or feel from the side of nonwhites.
That is a privilege that you have that keeps you from different experiences. Your ego and pride clearly shows in your responses. You can try to deny it or rationalize it all you want. You can continue to demean us if that’s what you want, but it just shows your closed-mindedness.
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That’s the point Dave Lister. You are so drunk and addicted to the privileges you have of being a white man in white dominated society, you don’t see it as a problem. You probably don’t even know you have privileges over other groups. When you realize that your whiteness and white privileges are actually hurting you and others, then it’s the first step towards opening your mind.
Thanks SomeGuy.
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sammy, when I say I don’t know I mean I don’t know the details. But then, if I said I knew you’d complain and now you complain because I said I don’t know. Nice logic there, bud. I didn’t live in the south, so I only know what I’ve read on that topic, and I’m glad it is no longer the case that seperate but equal is forced. On the NA case, I was out of the country for several years and I haven’t read anything in detail about what went on – and I assume you are referring to South Dakota.
“I very well understand that perhaps you never have had such experiences and regard them as fanciful story telling, but if so, then that is also part of the problem.”
Then you clearly haven’t been reading what I’ve written, because not once have I denied that such events have occurred and continue to occur in this country. Now why don’t you calm down, stop with the self-righteous angry man routine, and go back and find all the places where I have accepted that this country is far from perfect. Here’s a hint: I know it’s very far from perfect and that racially motivated killing and oppression still occur. When you get that in your head, come back and tell me where it was that I’ve ever said that a particular such event never happened.
As before, you ARE left with strawmen.
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Your “sound reasons” brothawolf, don’t pass the smell test for reason at all. So far of the posters here only one is less rational than your posts, and I haven’t seen he/she post in a while and I’ve purposely avoided commenting on other threads. As far as childish insults are concerned, remove the beam in your eye pal.
Frankly at this point the nonsense has gotten repetitive. You want to persist in your myth and I refuse to adopt it. I guess I’ll stay drunk on my white power in a town pretty much dominated by Mexicans and let you do deal with you. We’ll see how it works out for you.
Nom de plume, to overcome a problem there must be a problem, it must be recognized, and a solution must be formulated. Apparently the solution part eludes everyone including those complaining here.
I will probably continue to lurk just for humor’s sake.
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Abagond:
We live in the real world, not disneyland. White folk gotta let “The Wizard of Oz” stuff rest in peace. Black people have tongue, Will Speak With Passion!!!
Tyrone
Black Eros
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Dave Lister,
You said my reasons are not sound, but yet, you haven’t shown why or how. At this point, I tire of this back-and-forth with someone who proves what I’m saying not only about him, but other people who think like him.
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Still, Dave Lister, why are my reasons not sound and yours are?
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I find some of the blogs on this site quite interesting. However I think there is too much emphasis on “black vs. white.” I’m not American, so I can’t really judge what it’s like for Americans…but I think Canada is pretty much the same and I’ve spent a lot of time in the states.
I think race relations in general have gone beyond black/white in the US.There are huge numbers of people from all over the world in particular the hispanic and asian population.
It is worth noting that while whites still have the vast majority of the population in the US, people of asian origin now have a higher median income, higher levels of education, and higher average IQ.
Take that for what it is. The fact is Asian people in North America (who have only lived here for max. 1 or 2 generations) seem to be surpassing both whites and blacks. And we’ve been here for hundreds of years! We’re spending too much on football, video games, and celebrities.
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Actually I believe they have a higher income per household but that the thing is they have on a average a few more people living per household than white people do.
That they actually get under paid on average despite having notably better educations than their white counterparts.
I could be wrong here, I mean things could have changed since the last time I bothered to look these things up.
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@Sam
Slavery may not have been the “only” reason for the civil war it was certainly the main one and the biggest, as specifically referenced by their leaders in speeches and several states who joined the South’s side.
Yes it was about states rights, the states right to own slaves.
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http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm
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Why is it so hard for black people to accept that they are inferior i mean we are really giving you a favour to include you in the modern human category but since you haven’t had any civilization of worth whatsoever no scientist whatsoever no inventors you have absolutely contributed nothing to this world on the other hand everything you are enjoying in the modern world has been invented by Caucasians (and i don’t use the word white since a lot of people think race is about colour which it isn’t it is about the shape of the skull and people of European and middle eastern decent are considered Caucasian) and I mean every invention and amazing discoveries in science,art, music,literature from the ancient times, be it the Persian empire, Greece, Roman empire to the middle age empires of the holy Roman empire Ottoman empire to the renaissance age with great inventors such as Leonardo da Vinci up to the modern world with inventions such as auto mobile, air plane, modern machinery they have all been invented by Caucasians all three types be it Nordic(Germans, Dutch, Norwegians, Swedish etc.),alpine(Russians, Swiss, etc..) or Mediterranean(Italians, Spanish, Greek, French, Persians etc..) we have proved ourselves to be the most advanced human beings, I mean you people could have achieved these as well but that’s how nature is some become smarter and more creative and others don’t and it’s nothing to get upset about it is just how nature works, you don’t see a baboon complaining about not being as smart as a chimpanzee haha, but that’s how evolution is we Caucasians have evolved more than others from our ancestor Australopithecus which closely resembles modern chimpanzee. By the way have you ever wondered why blacks look very similar to chimpanzees and have achieved the least and why Caucasians look the least like chimpanzees and have achieved the most, it give you something to think about. You people even comparing yourselves to us is pathetic in the least.
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@al d
Apart from the embarrasingly inarticulate diatribe, littered with gramatical and punctuation errors what have YOU specifically done that has contributed to the greatness of the white race?
Meanwhile ts all very well hanging on to the coat- tails of some of the innovative pioneers of the past and present but, it is always amusing when people like yourself come on to blogs like this. You try to take credit for it your self whilst deliberately ignoring that cyclical events i.e. the origins (defintately not always ‘white’), the evolution of (certainly not always ‘white) that take place in the development of any invention. By the same token its not ‘always’ POC either but, a fusion of and a combination of both but hey, I guess your history books didnt tell you that did they.
You people even comparing yourselves to us is pathetic in the least.
It is you that is doing all the comparisons, and statements such as you don’t see a baboon complaining about not being as smart as a chimpanzee haha, demonstrate how smart and knowledgeable you are – you must really make the white race proud *rolls eyes*
Anyway, i’m sure your post will evoke some emotional responses out there,buckets of tears….of laughter.
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@ Demerera
Isn’t it interesting how these silly types of “Caucasians” trolls latch onto certain accomplishments of others? Yet they never seem to claim the other type of accomplishment – 500 years worth of ATROCITIES visited upon POC by folks who classify themselves as white.
These “proud” people want to claim the glorious past, but not the bad and the ugly past.
Why not??
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@anyone:
I not going to engage “al d” directly. It’s impossible to reason with this kind of “logic.” I will say that I’m glad he posted. It serves a purpose. It plays into what some have been discussing on so many of these threads. I especially enjoyed the monkey references. Lovely.
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@Matari
I always get the sense that the ones who post most about the achievments and accomplisments of people of a bygone era and lamenting about how they were responsible worldwide for creating civilisation, are the ones who are ‘reaching’ to find some pride that they can attribute to themselves in day to day life.
In other words, they feel that have no relevance or significance in day to day life so, they tread on the ones they feel can elevate them.
the people who post on here in this vane are like a broken flippin record *sigh*
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I find it amusing that many deluded White people believe that every single invention they see around them was created by them.
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Demerera,
It’s a complex they have. Behind the computers, they have no life. They have nothing going on for them. They are bitter, and they are not too bright. The only thing they have going for them is their pale skin. So, they will project their shortcomings and faults onto black people to make themselves feel better.
Also, we have to realize that some of them are indeed a lost cause, online at least. They need to see a psychiatrist, but instead they get therapy from the internet.
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Nom De Plume,
It’s amazing when they try to argue against you, they always prove your point. I always thank these people for proving my cases for me.
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Being a white guy myself I find it extremely funny when ever some one starts to rant about the glorius history of the “Caucasians” and include themselves in to that imaginary “race”. There is something so pathetic in it.
@brothawolf: “They need to see a psychiatrist, but instead they get therapy from the internet.” 😀 Very much indeed.
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@ Satanforce
Missippi:
In the momentous step which our State [Mississippi] has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery– the greatest material interest of the world.
Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
Jefferson Davis:
..if I had not believed there was justifiable cause; if I had thought that Mississippi was acting without sufficient provocation, or without an existing necessity, I should still… because of my allegiance to the State… have been bound by her action. I, however, may be permitted to say that I do think she has justifiable cause, and I approve of her act.
I conferred with her people before that act was taken, counseled them then that if the state of things which they apprehended should exist when the convention met, they should take the action which they have now adopted…
It has been a conviction of pressing necessity, it has been a belief that we are to be deprived in the Union of the rights which our fathers bequeathed to us, which has brought Mississippi into her present decision. She has heard proclaimed the theory that all men are created free and equal, and this made the basis of an attack upon her social institutions [i.e., slavery]; and the sacred Declaration of Independence has been invoked to maintain the position of the equality of the races.
Cornerstone Speech:
But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.
[Thomas] Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this [slavery], as the “rock upon which the old Union would split.” He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day.
Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the “storm came and the wind blew.”
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.
This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails.
I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men.
The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal.
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@ V-4.
Thanks.
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I think moral absolutism in storytelling is fairly common in all cultures. People like to identify with good people, and watch bad people be cast down.
I’m not complaining, though. This was a great post.
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Stupid post and stupid conversation that followed.
I can offer a much more realistic reason why many whites dislike blacks, or at least don’t want to live with them and finance them. (note that most “white supremacists” don’t necessarily hate blacks)
The main issues:
1. Crime
2. Low average IQ
So instead of continuing this ridiculous discussion of the obscure roots of racism, look this stuff up. The average black IQ in the USA is 85, and cutting edge genetic and neuroscience produces overwhelming evidence that IQ is genetic (i.e. it can’t be changed).
And just look at prisons. Before somebody thinks it, crime isn’t because of poverty – there are far more poor white people than there are poor black people but the prisons are full of blacks.
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@Sandwich
Well; part of why prisons are full of black people is racism, put it this way there are around 6 times as many white drug dealers and users as black people.
Because there is about that many times more white people than black people and races on a whole in the US more or less have the same amount of drug usage as one another.
So if 6x as many white people use and sell drugs as black people than how come 50% of people in jail on drug charges are black?
We know thats not accurate for their involvement in the drug trade or use of drugs and we know thats inaccurate towards their purportions in the US?
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@ sandwish
Far from the modern conservative utopia of a “colour-blind society,” Euro-centric racial chauvinism seems to rear its ugly head. You are just one of a whole generation of whites who will continue to peddle notions of black intellectual inferiority.
It is possible that some day the white race may be able to look at people of different races and see them as human beings without losing sight of what is special and unique about racial or ethnic membership?
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@V-4, recent research in the Netherlands showed that people who looked “Not-Dutch” had a chance about 5 times greater than the non-migrant natives, to get a verdict involving jail time, and people who did not speak the lingo well about 4 times greater. Reasons are not very clear, but it was suggested that court was less willing to try alternative punishment, you know forced labour in liberty and such, with people who might be harder to communicate with.
If Euro-Americans see Afro-Americans as foreigners, something like that may be going on.
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Its fair to say that the black population of this world are in a disadvantaged position currently, and those facts must be respected. However, I feel this ‘blame game’ towards whites has gone out of hand and finger pointing from a black perspective is the order of the day, if not the only order of the day.
Lets call a spade a spade without any emotional connotation.
Since the black american aqcuired more ‘human rights’ in the public sphere they are more vocal towards the wrong doings of the white man, than having a faint idea about their own wrong doing and where it all started. Going back to the early 1200s, when african slave trading were strive amongst the arabian/islam community, those very chiefs of their respective clans had very little respect for their own community and were much worried about their own level of wealth and popularity. Its a given fact that those chiefs sold their own people towards enslavery, not by force, but by will. It is only in the 15 -1600s when the euro community became accustomed to the idea and participated.
Looking back at that alone, does it not give one a sense of human abuse from one black man over another black man? Wher is the respect in that considering the modern black mans cry for more respect? If my mother was to pimp me for money in order to finance her lifestyle, do you ever think those i’m pimped to will respect me? I’ll leave that to you.
Also some comments her relates to the fear whites have of black, does that mean the arabians are also fearful of the black man as the main ideology of black enslavement lies with them? Not sure about that. There are comments about white superiority, white racism etc etc. Apologies, in greater world history racial superiority has always been very visible amongst on racial cast over another one. The famous Ghandi believe that Indians should not live amongst blacks during the South African aparheid years as indians a culturally and racially more superior than blacks. Till today the chinese sees blacks as inferior, but in the same sentence the euro community too. So what is the issue her? Is there a level of insecurity amongst blacks. Do they need to use the blame culture to find some ideological culture. If I ask the average black american what he thinks needs to be done in africa, the continent of his roots, the general response I get is hmmmmm, then he finds a way back to blaming.
Many of you commenting on this post don’t even have the faintest idea on the history of africa.
I see some making comments; white superior men raping black inferior women. But yet forgetting that the black alpha male man does the same. Is it not wrong irrespective of whether it is white over black or black over black?
Coming back to the African landscape and that of the tribal system, if malcolm x had to live during the 1200s, wheb slave trading was strive and accepted by the african chiefs, would he have spoken out against his own ‘brother’? Well if he did, let me tell you, the chief would not have thought twice to have him killed. Believe me, no one questions the african chief.
But yet malcolm x had a voice against white oppression.
In fair history, the african clans also oppressed. Now taking into consideration that the khoisan people of africa are the true african sons. Humanities genes comes from these people, not the black africans. African clans oppressed the khoisan, the khoisan was a graceful people. Not following the paths of war,peaceful in themselves and their culture. The khoisan has been present on the african continent from more than 30 000bc. Up till today the back african will not acknowledge this. How many african americans even know about the khoisan? Yet following blame culture as the only way to find meaning is the order of the day.
Now don’t get me wrong. I find many faults with the white man. His ways and doings. But one thing i can say is that what happened was a clear indication of what humanity should not do. Is there not a lesson learned? Why blame, try to find ways of breaking down another person for wrongdoings if we can start living lives promoting racial equality. Is this not the path of perfecting humanity?
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I think it’s because some believe they steal, murder, rape, make a mess, involved in crime, are loud, obtain low education results, are noisy, arrogant, aggressive, have a victim mentality, want everything for nothing, can’t think for themselves, aren’t inventive, use the race card when they fail, feel whites owe them forever because of slavery but won’t acknowlede that their own people enslaved them and never look to the Arabs for their involvement, can’t seem to advance themselves without white assistance etc. This is certainly not my own feelings but feel this about sums up a lot of (some) white people’s feelings.
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Jimbo, they are your feelings.
To everyone else :
Here we have a textbook study. He spouts everything from the Arab trader argument to race cards to slavery. 🙂 Observe, and take notes. We have a real live breathing specimen that encompasses everything Abagond has painstakingly documented in racist white pathology.
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now white people has passed on the hatred and racism to other people of non color ,the dominicans,puerto ricans ,mexicans,jews,and any other people of non color i live in new york if you are black in new york you can hang it up every race is out to destroy black people ,police only lock up black people.in the boro of manhattan ,from 125st down is 95 percent white but the arrest are 97 percent black go figure anything to keep black people down .i one never hated no one until now.white, puerto ricans,dominicans,mexicans kill them all and let god sort it out.
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this to the racist al d your day will come and i hope im there to watch you beg ,
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I think you should be asking the real question: Why do blacks hate whites?
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@Mary
I think you should be asking the real question: Why do blacks hate whites?
Care to enlighten us on your theory on this?
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V-4
Well; part of why prisons are full of black people is racism, put it this way there are around 6 times as many white drug dealers and users as black people.
There are probably more white drug users than black. But I doubt there are more white drug dealers. Gangs are a major indicator of drug distribution. That’s one of the main reasons gangs exist. And there is very little white gang activity.
The reason there appears to be a disproportionate number of blacks in prison for drug use is because most blacks arrested for drug dealing take a plea bargain. DA’s offer them a lower charge in return for pleading guilty and a quick resolution. They just don’t have the time to take every drug dealer to court for a long drawn out trial. They similarly offer drug users a deal in exchange for a quick resolution. Most people arrested for simple drug possession get a simple fine. They don’t go to prison regardless of race.
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@Jimbo
I second his post. It’s a pretty good description of how blacks look like to whites. This is all the stuff they want to deny, butjust keep on repeating the mantra that whites are “racist, racist, racist”.
To you Abagondites….what would happen if you put all the whites in railroad cars and shipped us off to the Sonora desert for some ‘racism deprogramming’ by some old hippies and Black Panthers?
We would come back ‘deprogrammed’, but blacks’ lives would continue as it is. I guess us whites would have been brainwashed just not to say anything.
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I think anyone who judges a person on the basis of race is lacking something in their own character. I think we need to stop dividing and separating ourselves and start thinking of ourselves as one species of infinite variation. I’m of
Scottish/Irish decent, but I respect all people of integrity. That’s what it’s all about–what a person is on the inside. And we’re all basically the same–looking for love and safety. None of the white people I know hate blacks, because I don’t associate with bigots.
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I have no problem with black people as a race. I live in Augusta and go to a good highschool where it’s maybe 65% W, 30% B, and 5% other races. I usually get along with everyone and dated two black girls, but I always avoid people who are “sketchy” or “shady” regardless of color. I can admit that most of the time that it is black people, but it isn’t exclusive to them, not at all. I would be afraid to be approached by a tall, black kid at night and would be just as afraid to be approached by a big, white kid.
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As is so evinced by the Russian, Italian, Irish, Jewish, Albanian, Greek, Polish, etc. mobs, the KKK, Aryan Nations, Hell’s Angels, Blood and Honor, various Christian Identity groups, etc. Not to mention HSBC, Enron, and various other white collar crime syndicates. Some might even include the CIA since they’re known for drug running, weapons dealing, assassinations, etc.
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“As is so evinced by blah, blah, blah.” All of those groups are in the PAST. Show me a white gang of today whose goal is to specifically target Blacks.
How about trying it this way: “And there is very little BLACK gang activity”
As is so evinced by the black flash mobs of the past summer, yelling “kill Whitey”, Blacks breaking into a water park to terrorize customers; shootings on the Coney Island Boardwalk, and Miami during Urban Weekend. I could go on and on and on. You need more?
As for the CIA, look up Eric Holder’s Fast and Furious disaster. Mr. Holder was black the last time I checked.
You are so tied to the past, you’re not paying attention to the present.
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Typical selective outrage when someone points out how not so perfect white people are. First off, Eric Holder is head of the DOJ, not the CIA, which is an independent agency of the federal government, and existed long before Holder got to Washington. “Past summer” is also in the “past,” last time I checked. Additionally, no one said anything about “killing whitey,” or a dearth of “black gang activity.”
Upthread, destructure asserted that drug distribution was a purveyor of gang activity, then, incorrectly, noted that there were no white gangs. I merely pointed out the fallacy of his statement by citing some of the better known white gangs and criminal enterprises, most of which participate in/or have participated in the trafficking of drugs/illegal substances, and are current in their activities.
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And you are in such denial of the past, your vision of the present is warped and clouded. So much so, apparently, that it affects your reading comprehension. Where in my post did I say anything about white gangs targeting blacks? Yes, in fact, many of them do (and yes they do still exist, according to the FBI and the Southern Poverty Law Center), but that’s not what I said.
Upthread, destructure asserted
To which I pointed out the (CURRENT) existence of various “white” gangs, most of whom participate in unsavory activities, such as trafficking in illegal substances, to $upport their “organizations.”
The operations of the CIA (and, to concede your point, the ATF, which falls under jurisdiction of the DOJ) pre-date Holder’s tenure as AG. Their “methods” have been known for several decades. Holder didn’t invent those tactics, nor will they cease once he leaves office. And, frankly, it’s something we should all be concerned with.
It’s amazing how white racists are so quick to excuse and overlook the evils perpetrated by white people just so they can direct a magnifying glass over black behaviors, as if that’s going to somehow conceal the stench of their own sh!t.
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For years you’ve very cleverly thrown out, “You’re a racist,” and white people would bend over backwards to prove that they weren’t. You could call them practically anything, but don’t call them a racist. That was like the kiss of death to a white person, putting them down the walk of shame. But with the election of Mr. Obama, the white community breathed a big sigh of relief. They voted for him to prove to themselves that, “See, we’re really not racists.” It might seem simplistic, but after years of being called evil white racists, when we knew we weren’t, it was like a burden was lifted off of our shoulders. So you can call me a racist till the cows come home, but my fear of that word has been ameliorated. If you want to keep calling me that, knock yourself out. It’s almost a joke anymore.
On the other hand, my fear of you is very real. It’s obvious that you’re filled with hate. So my original question still stands: Why do black people hate white people?
You know, not everyone likes nor gets along with everyone. That’s a reality of life. Just look at family dynamics. We all have different personalities. I think you ought to take into consideration that when a white person doesn’t like you, it’s probably not because you’re black, but it’s because they just don’t like you. That does happen, you know. But if you believe that there’s a big white conspiracy to keep the black people down, you’ll never see anything beyond that.
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@Mary
How about trying it this way: “And there is very little BLACK gang activity”
As is so evinced by the black flash mobs of the past summer, yelling “kill Whitey”, Blacks breaking into a water park to terrorize customers; shootings on the Coney Island Boardwalk, and Miami during Urban Weekend. I could go on and on and on. You need more?
If you rely on the news, then yes, it would appear that black people across the country are going out of control. However, the news, like the rest of the media doesn’t portray black people in a balanced, non-racially biased way. Those black people who did those crimes as you’ve noted are a minority. Most of us are not like that, or are you more willing to believe what the idiot box tells you as opposed to real black people?
As for the CIA, look up Eric Holder’s Fast and Furious disaster. Mr. Holder was black the last time I checked.
Oh. Case closed. He’s black and as such, he’s a screw-up, and the only screw-up. Don’t make me laugh.
You are so tied to the past, you’re not paying attention to the present.
And you are afraid of the past so much you can not possibility see how it connects to the present. That is common knowledge whether you like it or not.
For years you’ve very cleverly thrown out, “You’re a racist,” and white people would bend over backwards to prove that they weren’t. You could call them practically anything, but don’t call them a racist. That was like the kiss of death to a white person, putting them down the walk of shame. But with the election of Mr. Obama, the white community breathed a big sigh of relief. They voted for him to prove to themselves that, “See, we’re really not racists.” It might seem simplistic, but after years of being called evil white racists, when we knew we weren’t, it was like a burden was lifted off of our shoulders. So you can call me a racist till the cows come home, but my fear of that word has been ameliorated. If you want to keep calling me that, knock yourself out. It’s almost a joke anymore.
Many white people didn’t give a fuck to try and prove themselves to anyone, but many blacks have always, ALWAYS tried to prove that they are not a race of unintelligent lazy savages who rob people and rape women. Still, that didn’t matter to people like you because as long as there is just one black person fitting that stereotype, you white asses were happy as hell.
Oh yeah. It was simple as voting a black man in office to prove you’re not racist. That’s the lamest excuse to date.
Here’s the real deal, you, as an individual, has helped to prove that nothing’s changed. You try to argue that white’s aren’t racist, but yet, you show off your racist mindset. That is a contradictory statement in on itself.
Many whites are still programmed with that racist mindset. They’re just too damn scared to admit it. They’re too frightened to look at themselves in the mirror and examine and correct their flaws which include bigotry and prejudice.
So, what do they do instead? Project. Scapegoat. Make up lies. That is the meaning of mental and moral malfunctions.
On the other hand, my fear of you is very real. It’s obvious that you’re filled with hate. So my original question still stands: Why do black people hate white people?
You know, not everyone likes nor gets along with everyone. That’s a reality of life. Just look at family dynamics. We all have different personalities. I think you ought to take into consideration that when a white person doesn’t like you, it’s probably not because you’re black, but it’s because they just don’t like you. That does happen, you know. But if you believe that there’s a big white conspiracy to keep the black people down, you’ll never see anything beyond that.
We all are smart enough that everyone doesn’t get along with everyone, but some cases are unique if not totally stupid. Some people dislike others because of their skin color. That’s it. And it’s time you and other people understand that simple fact. And before you try to turn it around and make it a “black” problem, let me stop you right there. The problem is that many whites are too blind to see that they are the ones with problems, and you fit that bill, Mary.
And if you continue to deny that it’s the system of white supremacy and racism that is keeping many blacks down, then you will never learn a damn thing. It is the truth. Just because you disagree, can not, or will not see it doesn’t make it any less true, just like rich black folks do not cancel out the rule.
In the end why not examine your own problems before you tell us about ours as if you know better. You certainly do not know better unless you shut up and listen and not judge. That is the only way your mind will evolve if you let it. But something tells me that you won’t being knowledgeable about black people using the news as reliable sources and all.
*thinks to himself* There must be a factory somewhere cranking these people out.
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First of all my name is Horrez White and i would like to say hi to everyone before i go any further and also i would like to say that what i am about to say is my opinion and how i feel so please do not get offended. My belief as to why i think some white people demonize,hate and fear people of color is because of guilt,jealousy and self hate. Why i say this is because to hate a race of people that has done nothing to them clearly shows me a great deal of self hatred because how you view others reflects on how you view yourself. Another thing a constant reminder to say the n word,paint an unfair picture of people of color and to constantly try to dehumanize people of color clearly shows me a great deal of jealousy.Its almost like when a friend or coworker talks badly about another coworker every time she see’s the coworker and for no reason at all but out of her own personal reasons which is a sign of jealousy.I think fear that white people have for people of color goes back to what i said guilt”..Nothing but fear of the unknown for what was done in the past and how it was done, yet looking at black men and how strong they are, and at how much strength they have some white people get and really feel intimidated by this.I believe these type of white people just hate themselves ,are selfish and full of self hatred.I believe that there are a lot of white people that wish they were black and the white women just love black men.I see it every day.
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“*thinks to himself* There must be a factory somewhere cranking these people out.”
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There is BrothaWolf.
The factory is known as the United States of America.
Its largest product/export are millions of deluded/clueless racists suffering from the insanity of the WRF (white racial frame). For those unfamiliar with the term there’s wiki …
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co sign Brothawolf , Grin and bear it, Tawana
“I would be afraid to be approached by a tall, black kid at night and would be just as afraid to be approached by a big, white kid.”
Grayson, that is kind of the right idea
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Matari, your post came in while Im writing, co sign with you too
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Help me not be racist. Here is why I think I am.
Three people in my life have been murdered, all by blacks.
My house has been broken into twice, once by blacks-confirmed, the other time, blacks were convicted for breaking into houses in my neighborhood, so I think it is safe to assume they broke into mine too.
I have been mugged once, by a black.
My car has been broken into maybe 8 times in my life, no I don’t know who did it, but the more blacks moved into the neighborhood, the more frequent it became until I moved.
From my business—– probably 75% of customer theft is by blacks, and
about 90% of employee theft is by blacks.
After 40+ years on this planet, no whites have murdered anyone I know, no whites have broken into my house (pretty damn sure) never been mugged by a white, etc.
What do I do?
I do not discriminate, but I do think I am racist. I think the black race commits more crime than any other. I do not like that. I have mostly black friends ( I know its a cliche to say that) but I do distance myself from getting to close to them. I get invited to parties or church, but I will not go with them. Mostly because I don’t want to be a part of that culture.
Don’t hate me.
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@ Nick T,
Then remember that whites commit more crime than any other group due to sheer numbers, whites commit more serial numbers, rapes, and drug offenses due to sheer numbers, and remember that none of this means a thing about the race of the person.
remember that the actions of a person are what they should be held accountable for, not their skin color.
If you know nothing of the culture, don’t be so quick to equate it to violence because of what you claim happened to you in your life. Because remember that black people have had just as many terrible things done to them by white people. And yet they think your worth reaching out to, despite your obvious racist attitudes. If they can do that for you, then you should at least be able to do that for them and be honest with them.
They aren’t your “black friends” if you are going to hold them responsible for the actions of some alleged black people. Especially when they likely have a lifetime of reasons to not reach out to white people and yet are willing to invite you into their circle.
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@Ace
This is assuming that all those things really happened to NickT.
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@ Brothawolf,
Good catch there.
They do seem a bit exaggerated.
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I am wondering what kind of neighborhood he lived in to have come in contact with so many black criminals. I grew up in an area with 86% black people and never had all of that happen to me. Amazing! Could it perhaps have been the same person targeting him? How are you going to say you have “black friends” and you are not close to them. They are just people you know who happen to be black. Just wow.
Also, were any of these people caught? You said you knew they were black, so there were witnesses to the crime? What happened? When were you mugged? I didn’t even know people still mugged people. I thought that was just something that happened on TV and in parks, at midnight, in the city.
At least you admit that you are racist. Only a racist would conclude that skin color is a indication of criminality/violence.
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I bet I can find a blog about how blacks are racist towards whites. It turns my stomach to use such broad terms, because identifying people based on groups is a sick, vicious cycle that encourages delusion and posturing, and attacks logic.
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“I bet I can find a blog about how blacks are racist towards whites. It turns my stomach to use such broad terms, because identifying people based on groups is a sick, vicious cycle that encourages delusion and posturing, and attacks logic.”
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— Judge
Ever heard of this old Internet cliche?
“Never underestimate the POWER of stupid people in large groups!”
Especially when that GROUP has been in POWER for hundreds of years.
And yes, you’re right about delusions (of grandeur). The largest group in America seems to be more given over to viciousness and posturing than any other group in the world, and they use “logic” to justify that.
Isnit sad??
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cleonette,
That’s why I suspect NickT’s comment. It seems highly exaggerated that he came across so many black criminals in his lifetime.
It’s ridiculous to think that criminality is synonymous with black culture as Nick pointed out in his comment. Even though he admitted he is a racist, it’s still preposterous to equate blackness with criminality. Then again, in this nation it’s as American as apple pie. The most disadvantaged and marginalized groups are often the ones most likely to be criminalized. Blacks in America have always been the scapegoat of so many problems in this society. However, rich whites are more likely to be seen as true examples of the American Dream who deserve protection and unrelenting respect.
I also want to suspect that Nick may have made this up, the Phantom Black Man/Woman Syndrome. He may have made up those incidents to try to validate his hatred towards an entire group of people and gain some sympathy. Something seriously tells me that no white person on Earth has had that much bad luck from blacks. But what’s really telling is this:
“After 40+ years on this planet, no whites have murdered anyone I know, no whites have broken into my house (pretty damn sure) never been mugged by a white, etc.”
Here, we see white people as incapable of being as criminal minded or violent compared to blacks. The thing is, even if this sentence is true, there are countless other whites who have been murdered, robbed, and mugged by other whites. Just because his family hasn’t been victimized by other whites, doesn’t mean that whites as a whole don’t harm each other.
For example, I knew a white woman who told me that she was gang raped by a group of white men. (Amazingly, this never made the news.) So, she definitely has been a victim of white-on-white violence.
Also, a couple of weekends ago, two white men committed an armed robbery at a local store.
Still, those two examples are nothing compared to the worst atrocities caused by white men.
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Judge,
I already have three blogs in mind: Unamused, GLPiggy, and D-Structure.
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As I was sitting here reading this post the first thing that came to mind is bullies. In most situations bullying is the result of a narcissistic person with many insecurities that find some sick pleasure in making someone else life feel like crap in order to make themselves feel better. They hold on to lies and many facades for comfort.
I thought about this in this manner a while back when I was wondering why racist whites hate black. After reading a lot of these comments it is sad that it is not obvious to them. If what was said was not true why get upset, there would be no point in it if it does not apply to you.
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@ Mary
“Why do black people hate white people? “—To answer your question I don’t hate whites. These post have been about white racists and believe me dear there is a difference. The problem is that many whites that come to these boards to protest don’t even realize there is a difference.
“I think you ought to take into consideration that when a white person doesn’t like you, it’s probably not because you’re black, but it’s because they just don’t like you.”—That does happen but everytime that happens (taking skin color out of the equation) it is usually the result of jealousy. I have been there before myself. I was jealous of this other black girl mainly because she had everything I thought I wanted. Little did I know she was jealous of me because she thought I had everything she wanted. We talked about each other and did not like each other. I had to do some soul searching. In most cases people don’t really know what they are jealous about because they do convince themselves they have nothing to be jealous of. Rule of thumb usually is if you like someone for no reason at all. You have not one reason, then it is usually some type of jealousy
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“That’s why I suspect NickT’s comment. It seems highly exaggerated that he came across so many black criminals in his lifetime.”
And if he were black writing stereotyped stuff about whites (or asians for that matter, or jews, gays, etc) it would be okay right? How about the rights so many in the black community want to deny to gay people (including gay people of color?)
“At least you admit that you are racist. Only a racist would conclude that skin color is a indication of criminality/violence.”
followed by:
“Also, a couple of weekends ago, two white men committed an armed robbery at a local store.
Still, those two examples are nothing compared to the worst atrocities caused by white men.”
Hypocrisy.
Of there is white on white crime. So, where is the blog about black on black crime? Oh, write, it doesn’t happen I guess.
“I didn’t even know people still mugged people. I thought that was just something that happened on TV and in parks, at midnight, in the city.”
Seriously? Where do you live, under a rock?
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“we know that white people usually do not view people of color as fully human” and you wonder why people think you’re generalizing and saying “all”? Being biracial and gay, I have my own beef with this blog and the black community in general. How about you talk about the rampant homophobia and sexism in parts of the black community (the high black vote in CA that caused prop 8 to pass being an example)? Or how black churches (ironically using the white’s religion) speak out about and vote in blocs against GLBT people? Or the disproportionate number of GLBT people, white or black, and especially transgender, that are killed by black heterosupremacists? Why black gay/bi men have to be on the “down low” because they are so afraid of the reaction from their communities, of being told they’re “no longer black” , as happened to me and so many others? Unfortunately it seems being an oppressed group makes you more likely to oppress others when you have an advantage, not less, and as poc we need to admit that we are just as prone to that as the rest of humanity. White people got lucky with guns, germs, and steel and western europe grabbed the advantage. Would we have been any better in their shoes? Judging by how some of us treat women and gays, probably not. That is not to say that there isn’t plenty of homophobia and sexism in the white community. But at least it is talked about. Too often if any of us, white or black, mention anything about homophobia in communities of color, we’re told we’re racist and to shut up. Tracy Morgan and Roland Martin being good examples-there were a lot of excuses for their behavior and even accusations of racism (apparently not thinking GLBT folks are human is okay) There is such a thing as straight privilege and male privilege, and too often just like you feel that white people play down white privilege, I feel that some (notice, I won’t say all) POC who are straight and/or male pretend that neither of those give them any advantages. And they do, at least in certain circumstances. Even the worst white supremacist prefers a black hetero couple to a white gay one. Honestly I’ve been overall treated better by white liberals and white (and black) glbt people then by supposed “black liberals”. I’ve experienced a lot more homophobia in the black community than racism outside of it. People can be oppressed in some areas and have privilege in others. Being a member of a group privileged in one way doesn’t automatically equal privilege in everything, and it’s not fair to target innocent white GLBT people as some kind of “revenge” (I’ve seen it done). Bring up the word “gay” to some of the most “liberal” “godfearing” anti racists, both white and black, and watch the homophobia come out. It will be interesting to see how quickly the anti gay remarks spring up on this blog. Besides sexuality and gender, there are also things like disability, class, etc (I agree with that you said about voting against their own class as far as white people go). As a gay person who’s been harassed by angry poc coming out of a lesbian club late at night (it’s in a neightborhood where it’s not wanted, but it has a right to be there), I can tell you, the knife can cut both ways. When I, being biracial, responded with “as a person of color I would think you would know better than to treat others that way” I got accused of being racist! Being a poc does not give you the right to oppress others with any privildge you do hold (ex, heterosexuality). It would be nice if other kind of oppression were addressed more (across all races, heterosuprmecay and gender affects poc too, they are often treated horribly by their own communities). That’s why I no longer hang out in black religious communities and most black communities I do hang out are for GLBT people. I’ve also been overall well accepted into the lesbian community by people of all colors. I’m barely accepted otherwise. Acting like the oppressor doesn’t make you free. It only makes you another oppressor.
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Here we go!
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@ Michelle
Can’t say I agree with you in that regard. I live in an agree where gay men and women are openly accepted. I have always welcomed GLBT in my life. Not only because of gay male relatives, but because of the massive injustice they receive. I did a speech in regards to GLBT mistreatment in my college speech class and you would not believe the remarks I received from the white students. They automatically rated my speech as bad. The other black students like my speech and accepted it for what it is work.
My experience is different from yours based on area, but for many people in this room it does not matter what area they are in it is a 9 times out of 10 that they will be treated badly by whites no matter if they are heterosexual or not. They have are black.
Also they are referring to racist whites not all whites.
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@ Dana
“And if he were black writing stereotyped stuff about whites (or asians for that matter, or jews, gays, etc) it would be okay right? How about the rights so many in the black community want to deny to gay people (including gay people of color?)”—Asians are included in people of color and guess what we are not referring to all whites in here (at least I am not). The blog is about racist whites for the most part. As for gays then who in here mentioned they did not like gays or lesbians. Did I miss something or are you on an off topic rant?
“Seriously? Where do you live, under a rock?”—One thing you fail to realize is people live in different area. What you experience may not even happen where they live. I for one have not experienced a mugging. Never even seen one happen except on TV. I also have not seen mistreatment of gays, but a lot of people pretty welcoming to them (youth mainly). Mormons are the only ones I have had the pleasure of seeing openly accept gays (you know the people gays claimed boycott them so much). Those white baptist are the ones I see run for the hills when a gay comes by. I have seen gays in black churches; Participating in church.
I could openly call you a liar on the spot, but what would be the point because I am mature enough to know different area different experiences.
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@ Dana
If you have an issue with what brothawolf says address it with him. Stop coming in her acting like everyone in the room made that comment about whites. You seem to be looking for an axe to grind with black people.
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“Or the disproportionate number of GLBT people, white or black, and especially transgender, that are killed by black heterosupremacists?”—-I beg to differ on this. Did you forget James Craig Anderson, Gwen Araujo, Mathew Shepard? All killed by whites. Maybe a few but I can pull up much more. There are bad in each bunch. Black and white.
Oh here’s a link to the black community doing nothing. http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/lgbt/Paige-Clays-murder-spurs-forum-action/37626.html
A lot more blacks are in support than you might think. I am sorry it is not in your area, but don’t convince yourself that your area represents others.
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Dana,
You see Dana, Blacks have always been disrespected, harmed and even killed by whites in history (Yes, I said history) and even today. In many cases what they’ve done against us was way more destructive on so many levels than what we’ve done to them as a collective.
No one said that it would be okay if it was a black man making the same statements. However, I’ve read and heard testimonies from PoC who dealt with the ignorance white people shoved in their faces while hiding behind a phony smile.
I have heard of high-profiled moments where white people invent – that’s right – invent phantom black people to cover up their crimes against other whites. Who’s to say that NickT’s comment isn’t synonymous with the old ploy to make themselves out to be more worthy of being considered ‘victims’ only when black people express their pain and frustrations dealing with racism?
Finally, I would like to know where you got that idea that the black community is trying to deny rights to gays. From the way you put it, you seem to want to employ that only the black community’s guilty of this, assuming that’s true.
What do you mean hypocrisy?
Well, by that logic, where are blogs about white on white crime?
Dana, there are blogs and articles all over the internet alone that discussed black-on-black crime. They are everywhere. It is discussed online, and is being confronted offline. There are certain members within poor, crime-ridden black communities who are actually doing all that they can to stop the violence.
Now, who’s living under a rock?
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@ Herneith
LOL. You said a mouht full. I figured it would not be too long.
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@ Dana
“Seriously? Where do you live, under a rock?”
No. I live in a majority black area that has never, had a single mugging occur. The town I live in is super small and everybody knows everybody. Or maybe its just had for you to believe there are place that exist that have muggings on a daily basis.
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* Or maybe it’s just hard for you to believe there are places that exit that have had no muggings on a regular or daily basis.
Also, many of us have GLBT’s in our families so idk what you are talking about. Yes there are Christians who believe it is a sin, me being one of them. However, I don’t hate the sinner, I hate the sin, including my own. I am far from perfect. I do not believe in violence against anyone. Also, I don’t mind any laws that are made in favor of all that the GLBT community is in favor for. I respect your views, so please in turn respect mine. Christian doesn’t equal hate gay people and for you to say that is just as bad as what you claim people do to you.
I am going to say this one thing and you can take it however you like. People have a choice in the way they want to live their life. I chose to be a Christian and Christianity teaches that it is a sin. I have the right to that belief. I will believe that until I die. Does that mean I wish bad on people who are gay? No I do not. Am I violent against them? No. Christianity does not teach prosecution or violence. It says judge not least yea be judged. That means that Christians are not to treat anyone bad. That is not Christian behavior. Also, Christian does not equal perfect and heterosexual. We are at church because we are imperfect, not because we perfect. Think of church as a hospital for the soul. I am sorry if you have been subjected to any type of violence or condemnation, but I will not change my beliefs. I will treat someone homosexual no different than I treat anyone else. Believe me, people who call themselves Christian and do the things you are talking about are not just treating homosexuals like that. They probably treat everyone who do not share their beliefs bad, probably people that attend service with them too.
I can’t for the life of me figure out why people come to this blog and try to turn it into what they want to read. GO TO ANOTHER FREAKIN” BLOG ON THE TOPIC YOU WANT TO READ!!!!!!!
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@ cleonette
I agree with your post and it really sums it up perfectly. I have family that sees being gay as a sin, but are in no way homophobic. They still treat them the same.
@ Dana and Michelle if you want to discuss this issue further I would be happy to on open thread.
@ Michelle I am curious on how you get the claim of an abundance of the black community voted for prop 8 and neglect the fact that an abundance of the white community did as well. Even though you are trying to say black and white in your post to appear neutral I heavily noticed the need to push a large sum of blame on the black community. Why? You mention blacks beat and kill GLBT, but I am curious of any stories or example of this in news reports if you do not mind sharing. A personal story works for me as well.
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@cleonette
Would you vote against the right for Gay people to marry?
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@Sharina
Do they look at wearing clothes made from more than one fabric as a sin or eating seafood as a sin?
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Gay marriage, etc is off topic here. Please continue on the Open Thread.
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@ V-4
Who my family? No they do not, but my uncle does see eating seafood as a sin.
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@ v-4
will elaborate on open thread
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In my humble and for what it is worth opinion I think white people and black people have both been carrying the scars and hatred of the ancestors that came before them. This has kept them apart..If you have a white friend, or if your white and have a black friend, are they not friends? Take everybody you meet on a person to person basis. Lumping everybody into this group or that group is not going to get anybody anywhere…Unite all people living in this country, we are one country and we have bigger problems happening to all of us. Your good, I’m good we are all good….let’s all be great together!
By the way , I am your typical Italian American guy from the Boston area…raised around hatred and misunderstanding about everything and everyone during the ugly 70’s and 80’s.
What do I hate? It is not the color of a persons skin, not the bloodline they come from, not the country that there ancestors came from… what I hate is bad food, bad music, greedy corporations, crooked politicians, criminals, the media, the Kardashians!! and people who are so stupid that they hate people for no reason other then they are just so dumb they can’t think for themselves..Expand your circle of friends …love a white guy!
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@ Joey Vellucci
I agreed with you all the way up to the Kardashians. At that point your own ignorance started to appear.
I don’t hate whites or any other race for that matter. I personally have friends from all backgrounds. Many in the room do. The thing you don’t get is regardless of who you agree or disagree with this country has some major issue in the department of inequity.
There are white people out there that believe we blacks want money, to be treated superior, etc. We do not want that. Money does not satisfy people; look at the Kardashians. What we want is respect. We want to be respected and treated equally.
If a child is in school and they achieve high honors and they are black then give that child the credit they deserve. My best friend is school was valedictorian (black female). It is tradition that the stage is set for her alone. The salutatorian was the sit with the class. That year they made her share the stage with the salutatorian (white female). She was very angry but never showed it.
I also have an issue with how living in America (suppose to be the melting pot) and you have to give up traditions of your country, language of your country, just to fit into the American stereotype. That urks me to no end because I feel like people should be able to freely carry out there traditions with out being told to speak English or act American.
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Hi Sharina,
Sorry about the Kardashian snipe.. It was just an attempt at humor to lighten up the post.
I agree with you on most of your post. As far as giving up your traditions, that is something that is happening to all people regardless of race. Traditions our parents did, change with every generation, every generation finds traditions of there own and little by little the old traditions are gone and something else becomes a tradition. I grew up with big Sunday dinners with the whole family. For many years we did not do that for some reason everybody got busy, we are now doing it again as much as possible and showing our kids what it is all about. Hopefully they will carry that on. Growing up we were a typical big huge white Italian family…we are now a multi cultural, multi race, multi- language, mixed race, crazy beautiful family and it all works just fine..everybody is happy and we enjoy our differences..
We can complain about how the country is this and this race is that and people from Europe or from wherever did this and that but when it all comes down to it, what are we going to do about it today? What are we going to do this very minute? I can’t change what others do or what people did years ago but what I can change and what you can change is what is inside our hearts and minds right now. If you want to preserve a tradition, language or anything special about who you are and where you came from, you do it and you do it happily and without worry what anybody thinks about it. Unfortunately if you can’t communicate with the majority of the population, it cuts down on your fun factor as a citizen in this country…What difference does a language make ? It is just a tool to communicate with each other..personally I like to pick up bits and pieces of different languages as it is something interesting and fun to be able to communicate a different way. If I moved to say France and wanted to be a citizen, I would learn French so I could communicate freely and not be scratching my head not knowing what people were saying to me..
I don’t know all the answers but I do know what I think and I think that people are good and bad in every color…just as they are great in every color…
I am sure there are many other people who feel the same way,
Thanks,
Joey
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@ Joey Vellucci
Now that you netter explained I understand a bit more where you are comming form. FYI I am not a big fan of the Kardashians or Jersey Shore for that matter.
I know every race gives up traditions and that is what I am referring to. I did not mean blacks per say but everyone. This is one thing I love is meeting people with different traditions and seeing them freely express it. It is like a breath of fresh air to me.
I agree with you when you ask the question what to do about it. We have big Sunday dinners at my grandmothers. It took the death of my grandfather for us to really get started on doing it and making it stick. I prey that every single tradition, every single ounce of love I show for other races regardless of skin color, etc. passes on to my daughter. I have notice that it slowly does with my daughter. I personally am a big fan of education and I try my best to introduce my daughter to different cultures so she has respect for them and their beliefs.
I agree that no one has all the answers and there are good and bad in every color, but what I fear more than anything is the good will get caught in the cross hairs of the bad. I worry abut that day in and day out. Believe it or not Joey….There are few that think the way you and I do. Even I was surprised at the few that do. I was blessed to be born in an area where although racial hatred is an issue, it has greatly decrease and we all get along fine here. To say a town like this is in the south is a weird phenomenon.
I saw a black man and a white man greet each other with hugs and walk in the store together one day, so I know it is not all bad. I do know and realize for the racist out their they do it out of hate and jealousy and I don’t think they even realize they have this issue. They show the same signs that bullies show when they choose a victim and this is regardless of race as well.
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Sharina,,,your a good women and from your comments can tell a great mom as well!
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@ Joey Vellucci
Thank you.
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do you blacks just come on here and bash whites with no evidence whatsover in todays problems? you just say things happen today but cant show it. pathetic, im sure in real life you talk to whites like this, not a chance because youd loose your benefit of whites watching what they say around you. Your an inferior race keeping racism going on the internet. EVEN if you hate whites your no better than them complaining like children everyday on the internet. for a race that think they are superior you sure do act exactly like the people you claim to hate!
no im not white either
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@CIN
Try reading why abagond writes this blog and what he means when he refers to “whites”. I am white and I love this blog because it helps me to learn and understand their experiences and feelings. I do not take this as a racist blog…I take it as the truth from their experiences in their life. I feel these blogs are great at addressing issues. I have seen white people come on here and ask questions and make statements in a respectful way and the the replies are respectful as well. But if you come on here angry and disrespectful…be sure that is what you will get in return. This is a great learning experience for me and has really taught me a great amount. It addresses many problems of today that people…white and black…turn their heads to if it does not affect them directly. And in my opinion it is only enabling racism and oppression to exist.
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I love this blog…I personally, I will tell you from my experience, as a white woman, my opinions of this subject….Personally I feel it comes from fear of an uprising among the black population. For so many years white men and women owned slaves and once those slaves were free…they saw how capable they were and that they actually had their own minds and free will. Well, in my opinion, it terrified them that they would become the slaves and have done to them what they had done to the black population..(please…if I say anything that is offensive let me know…I am still learning what terms and phrases are considered offensive and racist.)…so in turn for years and generations it is taught to their children to stay away from them and they are brainwashed to think that they are better, smarter, have better family values. I grew up in a small all white town from the north that hid racism very well. My parents moved there because they did not want to subject us to the race riots that she went through as a teenager. I remember the first time I ever met a black family…I was 6 yrs old and my parents saw them broken down on the I69 and they did not want to leave them there because no one was stopping to help. My parents brought them back to our house and I sat there watching and could not understand why everyone was so scared. The husband and wife were clutching each other tightly together along with their little girl. My parents were frantically trying to round up my dad’s tools so he could go fix the car. I could feel the tension and see how scared everyone was…but I did not understand. Then after everything was fixed and my parents dropped them off and followed them home to make sure it did not break down again. I kept asking why everyone was so scared and why their skin was brown. I didn’t understand because at the age of six no one had ever mentioned to me that there were people that were brown or what racism was. They finally told me what people in the town thought and how they feared for our and their safety. I have many memories of white racism and I will share them if anyone is interested. But since I have a tendency to type long posts (sorry) I am going to end this one here. 🙂
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@ Cin
Although you may actually run away at this point, you need to actually realize that people on this blog are typing based on their experiences with whites. This does not refer to all whites and if you actually read anything you will understand that. The color of your skin does not matter if you can not gather a basic understanding of what the people in this room are actually talking about.
“for a race that think they are superior you sure do act exactly like the people you claim to hate!”—-Not on person in the room acts or has claimed superiority over any race of people. For you to say such a statement means you yourself must believe blacks are superior.
“Your an inferior race keeping racism going on the internet.”—This statement shows your stupidity. Blacks can not be inferior and superior. Pick one. Secondly you must not get around to blogs much. I have been to white blogs that say way more nasty things about blacks and people of color in general. This actually is much more civil but I can happily point you to a white blog to so you can see how civil racist and racism actually is.
Lastly, I don’t hate whites. My daughters best friend is white. My neighbors are white. I have no reason to hate them. I am happy with myself so I actually see no real reason to put down another race. The whites I personally know feel the same. The way I see it if you are comfortable with yourself then you have no need to hate or put down another race. There are whites that do this on a regular basis and there are blacks that do this as well. This particular blog is referring to the whites that do it.
I can see based on your post you have some insecurities that you need to work on.
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@ cin
In case you did not notice. There a white posters here as well.
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@ Michelle
Don’t apologize for writing a long post. Sometimes you have to say a lot to get people to understand. Make it as long as you need to. 🙂
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Co sign with Sharina and Michelle
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@ Michelle:
Thank you for your posts on here. I always enjoy reading them and I value your input. As Sharina mentioned, there’s no need to apologize. People always learn something (not counting the hardheaded racists) when coming on Abagond’s blog. I know I benefit whenever I come here.
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@ Abagond – Michelle
“…They finally told me what people in the town thought and how they feared for our and their safety. I have many memories of white racism and I will share them if anyone is interested. But since I have a tendency to type long posts (sorry) I am going to end this one here. 🙂 ”
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Perhaps Abagond might create another thread – this time for white people ONLY – describing their first experience (or whatever) with white racism/supremacy and how it impacted them regarding their feelings/thoughts on race as it relates to blacks and other non-whites.
In other words, it would be the racial inverse of the recent non-white only thread describing where posters described their early experiences of racism.
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oops ….
“In other words, it would be the racial inverse of the recent non-white only thread describing where posters described their early experiences of racism.”
Should read :
In other words, it would be the racial inverse of the recent non-white only thread where posters described their early experiences of racism.
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Interesting point , Matari
Growing up white , thank god my parents iived in an integrated neighborhood and they tried to instill being not racist in me and my brothers. I made great freinds in grade school and when I started to butt my head up against racist white society , I smelled it and wanted no part of it. I started to see the hypocracy , discrimination and unfariness in racist white society towards black Americans at every turn
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B.R.
Your parents were certainly not the norm – LOL – which made them uniquely *good/wise/insightful* parents. Unfortunately Amerikkka still has an extreme shortage of the type of parents that you were blessed with!
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@ B. R.:
My deepest apologies for interjecting myself into your conversation, guys, but I can relate to a certain extent, B.R. I went to schools with hardly any POC because there weren’t many in the first place. However, my parents particularly my mom made it a point for me to befriend other POC when they first arrived in school and to bring them over to my house. My parents always told me to treat others the way I would want to be treated. Also, I witnessed/experienced a lot of racist incidences that left me shaking my head at how unjust/absolutely wrong racism can be.
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Of course it is up to others their choice of words or phrases, but I personally prefer ‘slaveholder’ to ‘slaveowner’ and ‘held slaves’ as opposed to ‘owned slaves’, as it is my own belief that people can only hold others in bondage or as slaves, and that they do not & cannot ever own other human beings.
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THIS IS THE DEAL THIS WHAT I AM HEAERING WHITE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF BLACKS AS THE OLD SAYING GOES. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND WHAT ABOUT WHEN THE KKK WAS RUNNING AROUND SLAYING& LYNCH BLACK NOW WHOS TALKING ABOUT THAT WHITE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME POINTING THE FINGER BUT THE TRUTH BE TOLD WHITE. PEOPLE HAVE MISS TREATED. EVERY RACE UNDER THE SUN THEY HAVE A REASON TO FEAR ALL OF MAN KIND
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Leigh, absolutly ( sorry i missed your post, it passed throught the comments section without me realising it).
I think we are lucky people to have had parents that tried to pass on a way to see things in this world and how to deal with people
I also think a person can have parents that are racist and that person can see through it and look inside themselves for the truth and the right way to look at this world and the people in it
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Fear Fear fearrrrr:……………………..
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@ tyrone
I agree with you on this 100%. I really think it is a large fear that if any other race gets power that it will be turned around and whites will be treated how they treated every other race.
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I am mixed and think that you are a bunch of idiots judging whites being racist, isn´t that racist if anything! And the only racism I´ve observed throughout my life is from black people, but somehow black racism is justified because they portray themselves as victims. Are you stupid, more white people voted for Obama than black people. And the only reason black people vote for Obama was due to racial reasons not because of his politics. I think you should grow the fuck up and give white people a chance, or at least, mixed people. Im tired of black racist people living under these assumptions!
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@ Dani
I am tired of idiots like you making an assumption. Here is a clue…Ask people what whites they are talking about then get back to us.
FYI not everyone in this room is black.
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@ Dani
Try B.R. Michelle, maybe even Jt and maybe they will decide as white patrons to educate you on what this blog is about.
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I love it when idiots open their mouth and prove just that.
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And blacks aren’t racist right? Here’s the deal whites don’t fear or look down on the Japanese and they bombed our country, at some point you have to at least entertain the idea that the behavior of your community as a whole contributes to the way white people view black people.
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@ liftingingoshen
You also have to wake up and realize that not all blacks are like that. Did you know a large number of blacks don’t live in Ghettos, or have never been in jail? I am guessing not. Just like you have no idea what this particular post is really about.
Here’s an idea ask next time and avoid walking into a room and proving the point that many blacks in here have already pointed out or rather many whites in here have pointed out as well.
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When in doubt make a stupid comment. Seems to work for some people these days I guess.
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@Tyrone – the world was a brutal place 1000 years ago, 500 years ago etc… every race killed, raped, and stole land during war. Every race enslaved other people. Do you really think only white people stole land during war? Look at the state of Africa, they’ve had how many genocides in the past 30 years? And it’s all black on black.
Like I said at some point blacks have to stop looking to punish whites for the past, it’s an absurd notion I must atone for the sins of my fathers. I’m an individual and owe you nothing and I have nothing to apologize to you for.
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Sharina, the overwhelming amount of violent crime perpetuated by the black community is a fact. We don’t have to get into the reasoning as to why that is, there basic fact is black men commit a grossly disproportionate amount of violent crime.
Like I said at some point you have to step back and take stock of your own community and stop blaming me, direct that energy into lowering crime rates in your communities, strengthen your families, basically just take some responsibility instead of looking to pass the buck and make excuses.
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@ liftingingoshen
For one most if not all the individuals in here are not punishing whites for something that happened in slavery time. Get over it. For every black person that I have heard used that line there is a white person right behind them following it up with “stop complaining about slavery blah.” It has an impact but not the impact whites like you keep making it.
Most of the individuals in here have actually experienced racism from racist whites today. That is right…in 2012 and that is what the blog is referring to.
Have I meet white they are describing?…no because all of the whites I have meet are confident and strong etc. The racist whites usually show these characteristics though. They usually have some type of envious chip on there shoulders about black people. I describe it as more of the bully complex.
So if you are not a racist white what is your issue? As the saying goes “A hit dog will holler.”
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@ liftingingoshen
Ok so you say it is a fact, but what does it have to do with black people who do not commit crimes?
Basically what you are saying is lets pass another persons crime on to another black person. Oh and by the way I don’t blame white people for anything and never have. We have white individuals who blog on this board and I am not constantly blaming them for a darn things, so you might want to try and readdress the way you speak to me about blame.
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@sharina – if you can concede that the black community commits a disproportionate amount of violent crime, then perhaps you can also understand that maybe just maybe, the reason why white people view the black community negatively is because of the high crime rates and ignorance we see from the black community? Maybe that is really all it is, no conspiracy, no other reason, simple life experience and being intelligent to realize when one group of commits an enormous amount of violent crime you watch your six around that group.
My wife was mugged last week by a black man, I wasn’t surprised at all, I grew up in bed-stuy before gentrification, I don’t need an education on this stuff I lived it and have more reasons than I can count to be wary of blacks. it has nothing to do with me thinking I’m better than blacks or them being inferior or whatever, it really is just common sense. If one group of people routinely perpetuated violence against you, you take stock of that and assess your life accordingly. Simple as that really.
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@ liftingingoshen
Just to break it down a little further for you. Blacks have and constantly continue to be looked down upon by racist whites simply because someone in the black community decides to commit a crimes. That black could live in nice neighborhood living the American dream and you will always have someone like you say “fix the black crime issue.” Most of the time I hear that I think “I got to raise my own darn kids first.” I can only be an example, but how can I be an example to kids in neighborhoods that are 5 states away, hundreds or thousands of miles away. I can’t tell them a darn thing. Most of the blacks I know are just like me. Treated equal in our town and when they leave it they are in the company of ignorant whites trying to tell them to fix the black crime issue and they have never seen it other than on the news.
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@ liftingingoshen
In what part of my post did I say blacks did not commit crime? What I said was I don’t see it because I don’t live in that type of area.
“the reason why white people view the black community negatively is because of the high crime rates and ignorance we see from the black community?”—Again what the heck does that have to do with me as an individual. I have no control over what other people do and again the whites I know don’t think that way. They actually see me as an individual so lets not try to speak for the whole white race in regards to what they think.
“it has nothing to do with me thinking I’m better than blacks or them being inferior or whatever, it really is just common sense. If one group of people routinely perpetuated violence against you, you take stock of that and assess your life accordingly. Simple as that really.”—Are you racist? You do realize that there are racist whites and normal wholesome whites? (I always ask this so don’t be offended…you will be surprised at how many people can’t tell the difference).
There is a major difference between taking caution and even more of a difference in blacks depending on your area. Again I live in an area where blacks nor whites act into all the craziness. There are those in each party that commit crimes. White mean in my stated commit a large rate of sexual assault crimes usually against minors. Do I fear all white men? No. I see black gangs on the news. Do I fear going to the hood or in the Ghetto? No. Do I blame the white race for those sexual deviants? No. Do I blame blacks for those gang violent deviants? No.
It is one thing to be cautious but down right ignorant to blame a whole race for something. Same thing you are in here chastising blacks for doing…You are in here doing. No need to be on a high horse.
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correction men*
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And now you know why blogs like this exist. See, if you simply took time to look at the situation from the other end, you would have no need to waste your time here.
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The white mindset is in full effect, folks. I might make a response to this…I might.
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@ Someguy and Brothawolf
Why waste your energy?
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@ Sharina – I’m no more racist than you, the original poster who wrote this ridiculous article, or the 99% of the black contributors including yourself who rant out insanely racist judgments against whites. I stand by what I wrote, you have your world view I have mine. The original writer of these absurd racist essays is just provoking people I know that (as race discussions typically do), you have some white people trying to get the nod of approval from the blacks in here even as they trash their entire race (which is pathetic). Then you have me who has never cared about political correctness. You want to know why whites “fear” and “hate” blacks (using the OPs words)???? Simple – you haven’t shown that you are able to behave like civilized people as a whole within a society. You make up what 12% of the population and account for over half of all violent crimes. Really that is why, you are largely uneducated, and largely you are violent as a collective whole. Blacks can’t want this brotherhood and community then reject it when the negatives are shown. It has nothing to do with whites having no soul or no self worth like you claim. It seriously is the behavior of the black community in terms of education, and crime that makes white weary of blacks.
Look at the Treyvon Martin case, national uproar among blacks which I can understand, but where is the outrage over the hundreds of Treyvons murdered in Chicago by blacks? Where is Jesse? Where is Obama? It shows the black communities inability to try and fix their own problems, much easier to blame everyone else.
Look at Africa, you blame the white man, but how many mass rapes are committed there? How many genocides? Is there ONE country that has a functional government on the entire Continent? The only country that was decent was South Africa and that was when white people were running the place, now it’s a complete disaster.
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If I read Lifting correctly, then blacks need to go big. They need to advance from street crimes, which whites are afraid of, and do stuff like bomb cities, take land, make people slaves and wipe out millions of whites in genocides. Then blacks will fit right in – everyone does that stuff! – and whites will no longer fear them.
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@ Lifting
At some point you have to at least entertain the idea that the behavior of your community as a whole contributes to the way black people view white people.
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@ abagond – you aren’t reading me correctly at all, you are using the lowest common denominator to cause more controversy and looking for more traffic on your blog, which is fine, kudos to you.
Blacks already do all of that and more, that’s my point. The slave trade in Africa still runs, genocide in Africa is rampant, cutting off limbs, mass rapes, endless war, bombing cities, wiping out millions of other blacks, it’s all there, and not done by white people.
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“liftingingoshen
Look at the Treyvon Martin case, national uproar among blacks which I can understand, but where is the outrage over the hundreds of Treyvons murdered in Chicago by blacks? Where is Jesse? Where is Obama? It shows the black communities inability to try and fix their own problems, much easier to blame everyone else.”
Linda says,
Liftin, no sarcasm intended,
but ‘why is it so difficult for white Americans to understand that the reason black Americans are upset with the Trayvon Martin case was for the simple fact that Zimmerman was not arrested initially?’
The outcry from the black community was about Double-Standards. That their biggest complaint was over police conduct and what they viewed as police non-action. Why do whites like you keep missing that fact?
With all the crime that is being done by blacks, as you keep pointing out, the majority of them get detained and arrested for their crimes. This was the point that black Americans were making.
The police do a stellar job at arresting black perpetrators, especially when they admit they killed someone (like Zimmerman), so that people who like statistics can throw those numbers into black Americans faces and talk about crime because the police are on top of their jobs in the black community and those black criminals get arrested.
Black Americans are protesting this case because they feel the police were applying double-standards when it comes to the perpetrator getting arrested.
Why are white Americans missing this point even though black Americans keep repeating this over and over…
Also, do you attend a black church, or work with minority-based organizations that have outreach programs…do you have regular contact with the black community for you to say that blacks arent’ doing anything about crime in the black community?
Do you at least listen to Tom Joyner?
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@ liftingingoshen
Don’t try to put words in my mouth and make me a racist just because that is your sorry excuse for life. I never once said anything bad about whites on this blog. I have said things bad about their counterpart the white racist which it is obvious from you rant that you don’t know the difference between.
I don’t give a darn about your political correctness. It is your ignorance that is annoying.
—Is this all you got. As I have stated in my post a majority of blacks have there shit together, but not all of them are in the news like the ones that commit crimes. What part of that do you not understand or are you so wrapped up in the “oh it’s blacks fault” blanket that you can not grasp that concept. What makes you mad is that is is actually true because you want the ones to have it together to take responsibility for the ones who don’t. You want that excuse to hate all blacks and in reality you have nothing.
—A lot of black leaders work with the youth in there areas, but not all of them count on jesse, obama, and al. Do your research buddy because so far you are hitting 0 for 0.
—Again do some research. It was the white male interference that lead to them reacting like that. The “I can fix everything” attitude. So do some research!!! Also as I said before…Why should I take blame for issues half way across the world.
All you did was point fingers at blacks and never once managed to realize that white racist have put a hand into a lot of the things blacks do.
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@ Lifting
When whites do it, there is nothing wrong with them because “everyone does it”. But when blacks do the very same thing they are called violent, they need to fix their communities, etc. You are practising a racist double standard.
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“Blacks already do all of that and more, that’s my point. The slave trade in Africa still runs, genocide in Africa is rampant, cutting off limbs, mass rapes, endless war, bombing cities, wiping out millions of other blacks, it’s all there, and not done by white people.”—I have not killed anyone…Has anyone else been on a mass murder spree? I have not raped anyone? How about the rest of yall? What about that criminal record he keeps speaking of?
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@ Lifting
White fear of blacks cannot be accounted for by crime. Patterns of white flight and police profiling show that their fear goes way beyond what is rational.
Blacks commit about half the murders in America yet whites are something like six times more likely to be killed by a white person instead. That shows that the levels at which white keep themselves apart from blacks go far beyond what is rational from the point of view of mere crime. There is more to it than what you are saying.
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@ liftingingoshen
Do you realize you are the only one bringing up things that happened not only in Africa, but that a large some of blacks don’t even do?
The media has you people brainwashed into believing that all or majority of blacks do that and it is incorrect. That is why I say do better research and what better research than to either get to know a black person or move. This is why I never look at news or listen to statistics on any race because if they was the case I would be hiding my children from white men.
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correction That*
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@Truth,
Considering Someguy’s avatar i was wondering why he would?
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I know right. To say we blacks do that so often, then we must remember.
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@ Lifting:
Of blacks you say:
And smear all blacks with the crimes of a few and excuse white fears of blacks based on that.
Yet when it comes to white misdeeds the rules are different:
Yet more racist double standards. Whites are judged as individuals, blacks are judged by the worst among them. How nice.
Interesting too that you missed the racist double standard of the Trayvon case.
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@ Lifting
I deleted one of your comments. You are not allowed to use the n-word in your comments.
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At least be clear and show the context it was written in, I said the Irish were considered Potato N-Word of Europe. Since I’m being moderated here, and my words purposely being twisted by the site owner I’ll move on, no need to attempt a discussion when all people want is to push an agenda.
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@ Lifting
Yes, please move on to somewhere where you can say the n-word freely and no one will challenge your racist frame of mind.
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@ @ liftingingoshen
“Like I said at some point you have to step back and take stock of your own community and stop blaming me”—Who blamed you for anything? Where did anyone in here point the finger and say [your name] I blame you for my life. You seem to miss the post where I made it clear I don’t blame whites just to so you can have something to base your baseless argument on.
“direct that energy into lowering crime rates in your communities, strengthen your families”—I am a Mormon so family strengthening is key, but you can tell that to all my white sisters who husband walked out on them and did not even say a darn word.
“basically just take some responsibility instead of looking to pass the buck and make excuses”—I take plenty of responsibility. What you keep saying is take responsibility not only for yourself and your family but the black community as a whole. Do you take responsibility for child rapist, serial killers, kkk crimes etc.? I guess you don’t think Scott Peterson and ted bundy were white?
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See how quick they give up when there arguments really have no basis.
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White slavery exists in both the U.S. and in Europe, especially Eastern Europe. White girls are kidnapped and sold off to sex slavers.
Where? Tell me exactly where in Africa genocide is happening at this moment. If you bring up a past genocide, I’m afraid I must remind you of the many genocides committed by Europeans.
In the 30 years Belgium was in the Congo, they dismembered and killed millions of Black Africans. Perhaps the current Africans learned this from them.
From master/slave rapes to White college kids drugging and date raping White women, I don’t think you are in a position to talk about rape.
America has been in a war for almost every decade of it’s existence.
See above.
Not only do Whites kill other Whites, they kill plenty of other people as well. See, above.
Bottom line is, I don’t live in an African country, I live in America. Many, if not most, of the problems stated in this blog pertain to America and the Western World in general, not Africa (at least that’s what it seems to me). I don’t want to play tit-for-tat. We can talk about each others “motherland” all day, but that’s not the real focus. The real focus is the treatment of Blacks living in the Western world. Africa really has nothing to do with it, since, as you say, it’s Black on Black. This is about Black and White.
Now if you can refute the grievances of Blacks living in the Western world, then fine. But don’t bring up Africa when Europe has it’s own set of problems.
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@Someguy and Lifting
^Why do either of you care about mentioning or thinking of Africa? You both are clearly fighting over who should and shouldn’t get the most benefits of whiteness, so Africa to you two should be a non issue.
Cheers! 🙂
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@ phoebeprunelle
lolwut?
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I find it hard to understand why two people who have:
a. never stepped foot in Africa
b. probably won’t ever (they are too scared its one huge jungle with diseases waiting to jump their flesh)
Should be even talking about Africa to prove or refute an argument.
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I believe that’s what I said in my post. Are you trying to Jedi Mind Trick me??
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Unhunh. . .
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@phoebeprunelle
I had to actually sift through a month and a half of posts to try to piece together why you made that odd statement to me. I think you’re referring to some comments I made in the post about views on continental African women. I don’t know where you got the impression that I’m somehow anti-African, but that isn’t the case. It’s true I support the Black American cause primarily, but it’s my hope that tighter bonds can be made between Africa and the African diaspora. Maybe you should review some of my other posts before you judge me so harshly.
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@someguy – You’re an American, deal with it. You’re as African as I am Irish, the only thing Irish about me is some mixed DNA, a surname, and penchant for beer, other than that nothing, I actually tan real well… culturally, linguistically, religiously, and politically I couldn’t be less Irish and I don’t see myself as Irish at all but an American. Same with you and Africa, drop both of us in the middle of the Congo and we are both lost on an alien continent, you… slightly… very slightly less so.
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@liftingingoshen
I must be losing my mind, because I’m pretty darn sure that’s basically what I said to you in my post. The heat must be getting to everyone. Seriously.
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So. . . you’re telling me that only extraterrestials reside in DRC?
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Funny. Lifting claimed he was not coming back and jumps back in to repeat something another poster said. Whites like him should not ever talk about blacks being uneducated because it is clear it is a disease running around in the white community as well.
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My mother is into genealogy and I’ve had my DNA traced for the National Geographic Genome project, it came from Africa, settled in Iran for 40,000 years or so, migrated through Spain and Europe, then most recently Ireland for several thousands years.
My updated DNA profile my Mom had done points to me having Native American and African blood recently, my Mom said a great great great grandmother was probably part African American bust passed as white. No idea where the Native American came from, my mothers side were here as Dutch settlers early so I assume that’s where the Indian came from.
I don’t claim any exclusive whiteness, but I identify as white of European descent.
What I meant by my statement was take any black from America and me and drop us both into the Sudan or Congo and we are both completely and equally lost, maybe the black guy has a tiny leg up. You are no more African than I am Irish, I don’t claim any Irishness, I’m an American, you’re an American, this blank-American is a huge part of the problem. Just be an American
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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840
“Do pigmentation and the melanocortin system modulate aggression and sexuality in humans as they do in other animals?”
Really? Dark skin = aggressive/slutty… “-__-… I will never understand why studies like these are made in 2012…and become published.
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I’ll view myself as “just an American”, when I get treated like “just an American”.
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deedee
Black supremacists make unsupported claims about how melanin and the pineal gland are supposed to give blacks super powers. I’m glad to see that real scientists are looking into it. Thanks for the link.
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Rushton’s name comes up frequently in that report, so it’s wise to take it with a grain of salt….or the whole shaker.
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@duckduckgoofs
I don’t see how this article is any less outlandish then claims that are made by Black Supremacist.
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*that article
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@lifting and someguy,
Look i get what both of you are saying, i just don’t agree. A change in geographic location does not erase one’s lineage.
That’s fine if you want to think of yourself as American only or whatever. . .
but many people are not satisfied with just that.
Ali Mazrui said it best “I can be in America for 1,000 years but i will always be a Kenyan.”
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@phoebeprunelle
I respect that. We can be involved the same struggle and have different viewpoints, as long as we agree on the ultimate goal, which is the empowerment of Black people.
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as long as we agree on the ultimate goal, which is the empowerment of Black people.
Amen, brotha! Black power! Black power! 🙂
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@ Duck
And I am going to say to you what I say about every study. BS. Based on your comment the real scientist are just as stupid then, which makes my stance on statistics and “supposed” scientific research more justified.
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@ Joe
I am going to be so bold as to say you are just plain stupid. You take one person’s comment (because it was not in the blog) and do a generalization of everyone. You could have directed your stupidity towards them but I am guessing if you had tried that they would have squashed you like the bug you are.
Heres an idea. Leave the thinking to people with brains.
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deedee, Sharina
I’m well aware that many on this blog have an aversion to science and statistics that doesn’t support their “views”. Oddly enough, the same people often applaud unsupported claims by abbie and others that do.
Co-signed! haha
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@ Duck
Well I stick by what I have said since day 1. I do not support statistics. I can’t trust them unless I have done the research myself.
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@duckduckgoofs
I wouldn’t assume that those that disagree with statistics have a slight dislike for science and all statistics. I also, at least from my understanding, find that abagond at times shares his own personal opinion and others may share that same viewpoint from their experience. Ah, still scattered brain hopefully I’m slightly clear.
Side note, I miss chemistry ><.
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@duckduckgoofs
The problem with the numerous White bigots that come to this site is that many simply are simple minded people. They may have a great rote memory for information, but they lack the mental sophistication to extrapolate data and come to any conclusion other than a grossly simplistic explanation. Many times they will take raw data, without proper context, and weave it into their own bigoted psyches, inadvertently strengthening their cultural bias. Then they present this “insightful information” as scientific gospel to the people on this blog. I will concede that we all do this to a degree, but I think those with social privilege are less likely to scrutinize any material that tells them they are less than special or, at the very least, the “norm”.
Furthermore, when the White bigot’s opposition offers their own scientific sources, these scientists are accused of being left-wing, socialist, communist, too liberal and a whole host of different slurs used in order to shatter their legitimacy. Then when Blacks question the bigots’ sources, the bigots are incensed that the “lowly ne-gro” is questioning their White authority.
I’m sorry if we are not a bunch of “kool-aid” drinkers (actually JJ killed those people with cyanide mixed with FLAVOR-AID, a kool-aid knock-off brand). If you were in a society where people are, at best, indifferent to your suffering, you’d be wary of any claims that demonize you or your ethnicity/race as well. You appear to lack genuine empathy towards Blacks because you see Black people as foreign. Although, I don’t like the methods than White society utilizes to stay in existence, I understand the reasons behind it. How about you try to understand Blacks, instead of posting snarky comebacks and pseudo-insightful lubtish. Or is that a little too close to the battlefield for your comfort zone?
And the man is called ABAGOND, not “abbie”. If you are on his site, then at least give the man that respect.
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@Someguy
Well said but I fear your commentary will fall on deaf ears…..
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@SomeGuy:
Most, if not all of these posters you refer to, are out to lunch. They are here for their own need to bolster their already non-existence sense of self and worth. Almost all their utterances scream this. The first clue is the fact that they come here in the first place spew their oftentimes comical bullshite. They are here to rile up and inflame people. For them it is a masturbatory experience coupled or aided by liquor and or some other intoxicant. If it isn’t those two, they are just plain off their rocker! At best, they are comical and doubly so as their posts are intentional.
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Someguy,
Great response, but I agree with Demerera. It will go into one ear and out the other with some people.
Some people like duckduckgoofs are unable or unwilling to comprehend the point of view of people they deem as “different” from their point of view. In the end their points of view are the only points that matters. All others are just wrong for one reason or another regardless if they are good or supported. All of which shows that they are:
A. Not interested in any conversation.
B. Not interested in learning.
C. Just a run-of-the-mill troll
Duck,
You’ve mentioned that, “Black supremacists make unsupported claims about how melanin and the pineal gland are supposed to give blacks super powers.”
What are black supremacists and who are they exactly? From what I’ve heard these so-called black supremacists are usually black people trying to undo centuries worth of white supremacist programming while installing a sense of pride and self-worth long lost from the hearts and minds of blacks from generation to the next.
To some with the white racist mindset, that’s a no-no. Black people in this country can never hold their heads high or be proud that they are black. To do that may cripple the foundation of this great republic.
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@ Brothawolf and Someguy
I have to give kudos to your responses.
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@ Demerera
It will. Lately I am begining to wonder if any of them really know what they are talking about. After watching lifting try and argue his case about hating blacks based on Africa, I am convinced that something must be seriously wrong with them.
As Herneith put it “They are here for their own need to bolster their already non-existence sense of self and worth.”
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correction beginning.
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@ Sharina, brothawolf, Herneith and Demerera
It’s tiring isn’t it? I mean, it really is mentally, emotionally and even physically tiring. That’s why I post a few days then take a month or so vacation.
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@brothawolf
You asked duckduckgoofs “What are black supremacists and who are they exactly?”
I have read several books by a couple Black nationalists that although insightful were slightly prejudice. They called out whites in pretty vicious ways and suggested the same sort of negative things about whites that white supremacists says about Black folk. It isn’t the same as those that seek out the truth because the truth doesn’t have to bring others down. The most annoying things is that these few individuals are used as an archetype for the mindset of all Black people which is an unreasonable assumption that can be made..
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@Sharina
“II am going to be so bold as to say you are just plain stupid. You take one person’s comment (because it was not in the blog) and do a generalization of everyone. You could have directed your stupidity towards them but I am guessing if you had tried that they would have squashed you like the bug you are.
Heres an idea. Leave the thinking to people with brains.”
Nice try, but it’s not just one person on this blog, it’s most everyone on this blog. Anyways, my comment has been censored because the truth couldn’t be handled. That truth being that it would be best, since we Whites are so evil and we’re not going to change, that Blacks and Whites just seperated. Blacks go to Africa, Liberia allows immigration of American Blacks. The US govnerment pays for the move, builds Blacks a home there and gives them enough money to live on, say 200,000 dollars, which would be rich there. Oppressed, put upon Black Americans would be free of evil Whites forever and live like kings in Liberia.
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@ Someguy
It gets extremely tiring. Most days it is the why bother.
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Hey Joe
How about YOU give me that $200K bucks??
Why? Because it’s YOUR truth/idea that blacks and whites should be separated, and blacks should go to Liberia. The government may, or may not pay, I haven’t checked … but since it’s you, and not the government suggesting that disgruntled, dissatisfied blacks go to Liberia, that $200K should come from your pocket.
You can look at it as restitution/compensation/reparations for “Oppressed, put upon Black Americans.” You could also get as many of your *like minded* associates, neighbors, friends and family to follow your example – paying individual black people reparations of $200,000 (or more) directly from their personal finances for being oppressed and put upon – BY YOU KNOW WHO.
Or, you and all the other white people that think and act like you could go back to whatever European country of your origin. How about that??? Then you guys could be Kings, Queens, Dukes, Knights, Ladies, Lords, serfs, etc.. in Europe… again!
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@ Joe
“Nice try, but it’s not just one person on this blog, it’s most everyone on this blog”—Really so find one person on this blog that has really said anything hateful towards whites other than the persons statement you quoted. I will wait on that.
“Anyways, my comment has been censored because the truth couldn’t be handled.”–You will have to ask abagond about how much of your comments are sensored, but truth of the matter is you would not know truth if it hit you in the face..slide down it and landed in your mouth.
“That truth being that it would be best, since we Whites are so evil and we’re not going to change, that Blacks and Whites just seperated. Blacks go to Africa, Liberia allows immigration of American Blacks. The US govnerment pays for the move, builds Blacks a home there and gives them enough money to live on, say 200,000 dollars, which would be rich there. Oppressed, put upon Black Americans would be free of evil Whites forever and live like kings in Liberia.”—Here you are repeating yourself and just a few seconds ago you stated Abagond sensored you. See what I mean by your lack of knowing the truth. In regards to the statement at hand and the interest of the Native Americans…I propose this. Whites leave America and let them have. You do realize while blacks were forced here you whites took it from someone else. I am sure the Native Americans would love to have their land back, so the government can pay for your to get your sorry butt out too. Now because you are as dumb as you appear to be…you do realize that for those individuals that do have native American blood and heritage (blacks do fit into this due to mixing of races) You are on their land.
So while those nice mixed blacks are waving your sorry white butt goodbye. The rest of the white race can happily pat you on the back for opening your stupid mouth to such a grand ole idea.
Here’s some advice…..Go actually learn something. The biggest problem I have ever had with “Racist” White (have to emphasize for the stupid) is that all of you believe because you do something then every other race must be doing it as well. Because you believe something it must be true.
Do you even realize that a great deal of blacks live comfortably, do not do drugs, are not on welfare, do not live in the ghetto, has on average 2 kids, have a college education, and I could go on but why bother? It bothers some of you whites so darn much that you keep holding on to the blacks that do get into trouble just so you can say the “see look.”
Whites have been living a lie since god knows how long. Whites have not invented as much as they think. You can happily take credit for stealing most of what you think you invented. America is not your land. I see more whites living the welfare dream than I see blacks. The list could go on but once again why bother. You don’t have the brain power to go actually figure that out.
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@Matari
I find it humorous that Joe suggests Liberia as if he was absolutely certain they’d happily accept tens of millions of foreigners in their country. lol
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<It’s tiring isn’t it? I mean, it really is mentally, emotionally and even physically tiring. That’s why I post a few days then take a month or so vacation.
No, I don’t find it particularly tiring. You see, for the most part, these same buttocks holes wouldn’t dare make these utterances to a black person’s face off line in the real world. So their posts are just so much online hot air. They are comical if nothing else. It’s the ones who run things in the real world who are tiring especially the colour blind ones. The blatant racist is on the fringes even amongst their own kind.
Blacks go to Africa, Liberia allows immigration of American Blacks.
Why do the ‘blacks’ have to go back to Africa? Why not the ‘whites’ go back to Europe? Nice try indeed!
“II am going to be so bold as to say you are just plain stupid.
Be bold, because he is ‘stupid’. Imagine using that time worn “Go back to ‘Africa argument”? :
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@Sharina, Matari, Herneith, SomeGuy
Wish I could imbed gifs but the standing ovation gif seems appropriate 😀 .
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Herenith, dear lady (smh), don’t you know they can’t go back to Europe–its not lily white anymore.
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lifting,
What can I say. You are full of stereotypes, among other things. Shall I waste my time listing them, or shall I move on as I would have more luck teaching a cat to unicycle?
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It’s disturbing. It really is. These guys must be too far gone to allow ignorance, fear and hatred to rule their lives and are proud of it. You have to agree with them on everything they say about blacks in order for them to stop talking and smile crookedly behind their computer screens.
It’s not gonna happen.
So far, certain comments begs to ask the question about the mentality, psychology, intelligence, and actions of those who are color-aroused with hatred. And that question is what’s wrong with them? Something has to be broken in there. Otherwise, not only would they not be so proud to be this insane, but they wouldn’t waste their time on an anti-racist blog to do so.
I mean is whiteness all that matters to them in the end? Are they really that hollow inside as to hold on to such an archaic ideal?
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hernieth
You sound upset. 😦
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@ brothawolf
For most of them I can say they are stuck in the white is right attitude. Everyone that came in had it stuck in their minds that whites do nothing wrong. Lifting ignored me several times when I pointed out to crimes of whites. He completely acted like I did not say it and continued to go on to talk about Africa and all kind of nonsense that had little or nothing to do with what is going on here today in 2012 America.
I also noticed that many of them have this idea that whites build America. They don’t actually acknowledge the works of the individuals that actually did build this land. They are delusional at best. Brainwashed into believing that only whites accomplish anything.
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If you are so satisfied with your life, then why are you here?
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someguy
Some play solitaire and others do crosswords. I like to argue with nitwits. It relaxes me.
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@Sharina and others
“In regards to the statement at hand and the interest of the Native Americans…I propose this. Whites leave America and let them have it.”
Most of America, about 99% was empty wilderness and not owned or occupied by anyone, when Whites first came so spare me the nonsense about Whites “stealing” America. However, I’m all for giving the Indians back the one percent of land they occupied. Anyways, the first people who came to America were the Clovis people from Europe 20,000 years ago or at least if not first, they came around the same time as the Indians. Anyways, if the land were “stolen” as you say, then Blacks are also benefiting by staying on the stolen land and that’s wrong, right?
“How about YOU give me that $200K bucks??
Why? Because it’s YOUR truth/idea that blacks and whites should be separated, and blacks should go to Liberia. ”
Nice try, but why should I give YOU 200K, I don’t owe you anything. Anyways, why would you want to stay in America around evil Whites? No Black on here ever answers WHY they want to stay around Whites?
” Why not the ‘whites’ go back to Europe? Nice try indeed”
Why should Whites go back to Europe? It was Whites who founded, created and built America. Don’t give me the nonsense about Blacks slaves building America, they didn’t. I’m not saying that no other race contributed to building America, but up a couple of decades ago, America was ninety something percent White, so Whites did create America, just like the Chinese created China, the Mexicans created Mexico and so forth..
Why do the ‘blacks’ have to go back to Africa?
Blacks are the ones who should leave since Africa is their homeland and their ancestors were kidnapped against their will. The proper thing to do is to return the kidnapped home, right? Anyways, Blacks are the ones complaining about Whites so they are the ones who should return to their homeland, that would solve their problem.
“Do you even realize that a great deal of blacks live comfortably, do not do drugs, are not on welfare, do not live in the ghetto, has on average 2 kids, have a college education, and I could go on but why bother? It bothers some of you whites so darn much that you keep holding on to the blacks that do get into trouble just so you can say the “see look.” ”
Yes, I realize there is a Black middle and upper class. However, Blacks in large numbers almost always destroy any school or neighborhood they move into, turning it into a crime ridden slum. I know from EXPERIENCE. Look at Detroit or any other American urban city. Blacks commit crime far, far in excess per capita of their numbers. Blacks attack Whites as a rate of FORTY times the reverse. When you rape, attack and murder OUR people, we have every right to be very angry. It’s not just Whites either, NO race, be they Asians or Hispanics, wants to live around large numbers of Blacks.
“You can happily take credit for stealing most of what you think you invented. America is not your land. I see more whites living the welfare dream than I see blacks. ”
Wrong, we didn’t “steal” anything and America is OUR land and you’re lucky you’re here. More Blacks are on welfare per capita than Whites by far, the welfare being paid for by you guessed it, EVIL YT.
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Face it, none of you want to go back to Africa because you have a much better life in America than you ever would back in Africa. Blacks today benefited enormously from slavery. American Whites have done more for American Blacks then any other race has done for any minority on the planet. Whites have spent 15 trillion on Blacks for everything from head start, the War on Poverty, welfare, medicaid, section 8, EBT etc. Blacks get preferences in job and university admissions, government aid, affirmative action etc. What other race would do this for a minority that hated them and committed so much violence against them? The answer is none.
Blacks have to keep playing the “victim card” because they know that many of today’s spineless Whites will feel guilty. However, things are changing and more and more Whites are growing a backbone and are getting fed up with giving so much only to be hated and bashed. The truth is African-Americans are in no way oppressed, quite the opposite, they are favored beyond belief. Some day,if things continue as they are, Hispanics could become the majority in America. If that day comes, you can kiss all of your “Black priveledge” goodbye.
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duck,
And your comments showed me what I knew about you. So, we’ve shown that we know each other.
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Blacks today benefited enormously from slavery. American Whites have done more for American Blacks then any other race has done for any minority on the planet. Whites have spent 15 trillion on Blacks for everything from head start, the War on Poverty, welfare, medicaid, section 8, EBT etc. Blacks get preferences in job and university admissions, government aid, affirmative action etc. What other race would do this for a minority that hated them and committed so much violence against them? The answer is none.
OMG – and he actually believes this!
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blockquote> It was Whites who founded, created and built America. Don’t give me the nonsense about Blacks slaves building America, they didn’t. I’m not saying that no other race contributed to building America, but up a couple of decades ago, America was ninety something percent White, so Whites did create America, just like the Chinese created China, the Mexicans created Mexico and so forth..
Abagond should ban your ass just for the sheer stupidity of this statement…
Whites did not found “America”, no more than they founded South Africa, Hispaniola, various parts of the Yucatan Peninsula or any other place that had been captured and colonized by them. Answer me this–where did the name America come from anyway? Hint: The vast majority of what we think of as north america today had many, many–if not thousands of languages, different ehtnic groups of the indigenous people who once were in abundance here, birth rituals, naming rituals, etc, etc…
The more appropriate question is why won’t they? You are way too backwards for your brothers and sisters in continental Europe–they believe in socialism, while”you” are still clinging on to an epic fail called capitalism–France has an obesity rate just hovering over 8%, while your “family” here is 23% and rising, so “ya’ll” are too fat to join them. The same obseity trends can be found in Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Denmark,etc. But, the grand finale is this–Europe is not lilywhite anymore and you will be surrounded by a plethora of black, brown, and yellow people! Much like you are trying to escape here–but you won’t ever–no matter where you go in the world cause WE are going to be there. Black communities are springing up in the Ukraine and Croatia–my husband’s colleauge and our good friend who is white and from Croatia was telling us how happy she was about this!
Cheers! 🙂
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@Joe
—They only occupied 1%. LOL that is rich and stupid.
—Errr wrong. Go back to school or online search or something. Clovis people were believed to be from Asian or European decent not just European. This is based on DNA found in American Indians. ” DNA actually suggest that there was a group before them, so try again.
—Well see based on your logic this actually is blacks land. Our ancestors had a large chunk of putting it together for sorry racist whites to occupy. I would say we should benefit to some extent considering us and Indians families build it with blood sweat and tears.
—Actually they did. White people were so freaking lazy back then they never even nursed their own young. Black women took milk from their own breast to nurse white men who grew up and treated them just as back as their fathers. Raped their daughters and created laws to justify it. Black cooked for whites, built house for whites, tilled land for whites, built road, etc. So please tell me what white society did other than just sit back and enjoy it. Bark commands maybe. You really need to start doing your research. I mean really.
—I guess you missed that lecure about not all whites and me mentioning returning to Africa. See how whites like to believe it is all their idea and can not read to boot.
—Actually this is where you wrong and I am going to pull a duck and say you are bias. Just because you have that issue in your area does not mean it is all blacks. It has been stated not once but several times on this post (which I know now you fail to read) that many blacks are not like that but low and behold stupid takes hold of people like you and you believe anything the media tells you but are the same idiots calling media bias when they show the true nature of a white killer.
—Ok so you just basically made some of the individuals point in here. Whites have been raping black women for centuries so we are justified in being angry. Nice to know you agree. Not to mention the white men that kill blacks unjustly. Remember the good ole kkk and the massive hangings they have done and the black guy that was dragged behind his truck by whites….oh I could just go on and on. But you don’t really want to hear about my justifications do you?
—Why is it white racist always try to convince themselves that it’s not them it’s Asians too (Hispanic is not a race numb nuts…go back to school get a real education)? For starters go to an Asian blog. They don’t really like white people as much as you whites claim. They are smart enough to use white people, but tolerate is really all you can get from them. Secondly you need to travel because we actually live in neighborhoods with large some of blacks and a few whites. We don’t have many Asians around here.
—Actually it is more my land do to the Native American mixture in my blood and I can tell you many other blacks have that backing. Secondly as a Native American that and see how quick he might spit in your face. You stole their land and forced them into caps to become white or as it was stated back then “civilized.” They peacefully occupied the land before white people. When whites came they drove them off of it. When they migrated and tried to start again more whites came and drove them off that…Those that went peacefully anyway.
As far as welfare you might want to recheck those numbers and post them. Tell yourself what you want if you like. That is what white racist like you usually do. Oh and welfare is paid for by tax payers dumby…You know in which blacks pay into.
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@ Joe
Another thing about the welfare. There are whites on welfare that know how to cheat the system and have been for years. White couple living in 1.5 million dollar beach house on welfare. Look that up or better yet take a nice drive to the good ole south and take a look at the welfare queen of the trailer park. Hey if you have time go to Utah. Polygamy marriages are the largest set of women on welfare and government assistance.
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“OMG – and he actually believes this!”
*******
He can’t help but believe this this crap. Whiteness corrupts and renders weak minds incapable of rational analytical thought. Demonic…
Thanks for coming here Joe and confirming for us – yet again – that we should:
Never underestimate the incredible stupidity of overwhelming numbers of racists with white supremacist (delusional) mindsets!
*Broken record department ….*
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Joe,
I just want to thank you for the entertaining story you just shared. I always enjoy a bit of fiction sprinkled with truth.
You’ve just confirmed my theory that you Americans have mediocre secondary schools, which I believe should be responsible for teaching history properly(Universities don’t and shouldn’t have to pick up the slack)
Seriously though,
I’d like to think that your anger at the posters caused you to share your views in the skewed direction that you presented it because you present yourself as an educated person.
So, I do believe you know, that even though white Europeans invaded and occupied the new world and slaughtered and displaced millions of Natives, without the Native Indians help, whites would not have survived in the Americas.
Without Squanto’s help and guidance, the Plymouth Colony would not have survived.
http://www.millsgen.com/gen/hist/pilstor4.htm
Also, the Massachusetts colonists had to form mutual defense treaties with several Native Indian nations who agreed to help them fight other Indian nations that were trying to get rid of the white colonists (as well as the French)
i hope you also know that the Virginia and Pennslyvania colonies had to form treaties with the Iroquois Nation to prevent all out war, and that Your great statesmen, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin, were involved with leaders of the New York-based Iroquois Confederacy.
Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin, formed their ideas of democracy by using the ‘Great Law of Peace of the Iroquois Nation’, as the framework to write the American Constitution (They also copied ideas from France)
I find most white Americans have this belief that their forefathers achieved everything on their own, with no help from others, then you all (Americans) turn around and wonder why the rest of the world can’t stand you (and NO, it’s not jealousy)
But, members in every society have a need to feel good about themselves and their forefathers, so I can’t fault you for continuously drinking the Kool-Aide.
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Nice try at deflection, but that’s not it. Be honest with yourself. Admit your life isn’t as fulfilling as you’d like it to be. Not even your “Whiteness” can help you.
If silly jokes, childish insults and your skin color is all you have, you really don’t have much. Do you? Couple that with the fact you feel the need to argue with people you think are intellectually beneath you makes you seem really pathetic and desperate for attention. So, I wouldn’t brag about that to anyone. Keep that to yourself.
I think I’m done with this particular thread, but I’d like to thank you before I go. Thanks for demon-strating and legitimizing the main topic “Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?” You been such a perfect example, I feel the need to extend my gratitude at your cooperation.
I mean, who would have thought that a “highly intelligent” bigot would read the main topic and then go on to voluntarily prove every point against him by posting the most inane lubtish! Wow, intellect at it’s finest moment! You deserve a big ol’ gold star! BRAVO!
Now, go and “ignore” this post like you do the others that you can’t defend against.
Ciao!
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@ Linda
Thank you very much for your post. People like joe are the reason I consider home schooling my daughter at times. I don’t want her thrown into an educational system that will teach her the lies of history rather than the truth.
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You sound upset.
Nope. Hemorrhoids and gas pains are upsetting, not some lunatic spewing forth vomit on a blog. I find you funny actually. If you need something to relax you, go to watch paint dry and leave the sane folk alone! You must have little or no self-worth to come to a blog populated mostly with people you consider to be ‘inferior’ to you, or who you detest. That bespeaks your weak mind. Well I have no intentions of feeding into your self-hatred of yourself(didn’t you say you are ‘mixed’?). Have a wonderful day!
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@Sharina & others
“OMG – and he actually believes this!”(Whites have done more for Blacks)
It’s the truth, deny it all you want. The FACTS back it up.
“Abagond should ban your ass just for the sheer stupidity of this statement…Whites did not found “America”,”
You’re the one who is stupid. I was talking about the nation the USA, NOT the continent. Christ you’re thick. Yes, Whites did create the country called the USA-Blacks didn’t create it, neither did Mexicans, or Asians. Up until about 4 decades ago, the USA was around 94% White and there was little racial diversity.
“—They(Indians) only occupied 1%. LOL that is rich and stupid”
That is true. If ya want to see rich/stupid, look at yourself lol. Indians were nomadic tribes that fought against each other and combined together only occupied about one percent of what is today the USA and Canada. The myth that Whites “stole” all of the land is just a guilt trip used on Whites. Like I said, I’m all for giving Indians back the amount they occupied.
Non-Whites of every race in past history stole, slaughtered others, invaded and did everything that Whites did and were just as bad if not worse so spare me the only-Whites-are-so-evil schtick. Asian mongols invaded Europe, and stole, slaughtered and raped. If I used your silly mindset, then I could say Europeans were later justified in later attacking the Asiatic Indians but of course I don’t.
“The more appropriate question is why won’t they”(Whites back to Europe)
Why should we? We created and founded the USA. Imagine though if all Whites today went back to Europe, it would be a disaster for Blacks.
“—Actually they did(slaves built America). White people were so freaking lazy back then they never even nursed their own young.”
Can anyone be this stupid? A few of the rich had Black wet nurses. Really, you’re delusional.
“Black cooked for whites, built house for whites, tilled land for whites, built road, etc. So please tell me what white society did other than just sit back and enjoy it. Bark commands maybe. You really need to start doing your research. I mean really.”
No you really need to do your research. A FEW RICH WHITES had Blacks do the work, 95% of all Whites did their own work.ROFLMAO
“—Errr wrong. (Whites being in the Americas first or same time)Go back to school or online search or something.”
There is increasing evidence that a small amount of Whites were either here first or came around the same time as the Indians based on numerous tools only found in Europe as well as caucasian skeletons. It is very probable that at least some Europeans did come much, much earlier as the Ice Age hit Europe hard and Europeans too would have had to travel to find food.
“—Ok so you just basically made some of the individuals point in here. Whites have been raping black women for centuries so we are justified in being angry.”
Another tired myth and lie. White slave owners raping slaves was uncommon, not saying it never happened but it was not common. Back in the past, there was no birth control, so if Whites raping Black slaves were common, there would be huge amounts of half Black babies but mulattos only made up a small portion of the populace and many of those were the result of willing sex. Half Black/Whites are far more common today with all the birth control we have then back then. Black men have raped far more White women than ever was the reverse.
“Remember the good ole kkk and the massive hangings they have done and the black guy that was dragged behind his truck by whites….oh I could just go on and on. But you don’t really want to hear about my justifications do you?”
Massive hangings, more nonsense. Whites too were lynched as well as Blacks. Back then, if someone was believed to have committed a crime, they were strung up without trial at times, wrong though it was.Lynchings for Blacks averaged about 40 per year, Whites about half that. Compare that with the average Black on White yearly murder rate today of 2,500 TODAY in America, EVERY 18 months, Blacks murder and equal number of Whites than Whites lynched Blacks in ALL of American history.
“—Why is it white racist always try to convince themselves that it’s not them it’s Asians too (Hispanic is not a race numb nuts…go back to school get a real education)? For starters go to an Asian blog. They don’t really like white people as much as you whites claim. They are smart enough to use white people, but tolerate is really all you can get from them”
Oh, the old “racist” card, yawn. Personally, I don’t care what Asians or Hispanics think of Blacks. (yes I realize they are not a “race” per se but treat them as such because they are a seperate “minority” group) However, I don’t need to convince myself of anything, on average Asians/Hispanics do NOT like Blacks and think them inferior, especially Asians. I also never said Asians liked Whites. Yes,some Asians use us because today, Whites are affected with a sick altruism and this needs to change amongst Whites.
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“Another thing about the welfare. There are whites on welfare that know how to cheat the system and have been for years. White couple living in 1.5 million dollar beach house on welfare. Look that up or better yet take a nice drive to the good ole south and take a look at the welfare queen of the trailer park. Hey if you have time go to Utah. Polygamy marriages are the largest set of women on welfare and government assistance.”
I’m never said there were no Whites on welfare. Yes, there are Whites who cheat welfare, Whites who are trashy, Whites who commit crimes. Polygamists are a miniscule amount of people. The difference is we Whites don’t blame Blacks for these White people, we blame these White people themselves.
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@ Joe
Please try to remain reality-based.
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@Linda
“Joe-I just want to thank you for the entertaining story you just shared. I always enjoy a bit of fiction sprinkled with truth.”
What I say is not fiction but the truth and all of it can be backed up with facts. Of course to a brainwashed, politically correct person like yourself, you do find the truth to be an “entertaining story”..
“You’ve just confirmed my theory that you Americans have mediocre secondary schools, which I believe should be responsible for teaching history properly(Universities don’t and shouldn’t have to pick up the slack)”
Again, this shows how pathetically naive and ignorant you are. You’ve just confirmed my theory that you(I’m guessing typical ignorant European ,maybe Canadian one) who knows nothing about the US or our education system but actually thinks they do. Seriously, do you really think I learned this truth from the US educational system? No, I did NOT.The US educational system, of which I unlike you, have experience with, is just as politically correct and brainwashing as the European/Canadian one. I studied the truth apart from the marxist American educational system.
Without Squanto’s help and guidance, the Plymouth Colony would not have survived. Without Squanto’s help and guidance, the Plymouth Colony would not have survived. Without Squanto’s help and guidance, the Plymouth Colony would not have survived.”
“So, I do believe you know, that even though white Europeans invaded and occupied the new world and slaughtered and displaced millions of Natives, without the Native Indians help, whites would not have survived in the Americas.Without Squanto’s help and guidance, the Plymouth Colony would not have survived.”
I realize that the early Indians help the original colonists to survive. I also realize that Whites at that time did kill and displace Indians(not millions there were only 200,000 to 2 million) and that was wrong. As I said. I’m all for giving the Indians back the percentage of the land they occupied. However, most of N.America was not “invaded” as it wasn’t occupied nor did it belong to anyone. Also, non-Whites in the past ,all over the world, invaded, slaughtered, raped and stole from others including Asiatic mongols doing this to Europeans long before Europeans did this to Asiatic Indians in the Americas. All races were horrible in the past, Whites TODAY have no more reason to feel guilty than any other race.
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@joe
Another tired myth and lie. White slave owners raping slaves was uncommon, not saying it never happened but it was not common. Back in the past, there was no birth control, so if Whites raping Black slaves were common, there would be huge amounts of half Black babies but mulattos only made up a small portion of the populace and many of those were the result of willing sex.
There were a significant majority of mixed babies and you damn well know it. What census would have recorded that information at the time – honestly! Do you think that WW would want to know about their men creeping down to the slave quarters in the wee hours and creating ‘brown’ babies? How would society cope with the fact that these, often pillars of society sated their lustful desire by sleeping with a woman deemed inferior and potentially not even seen as human?
Those depraved and disgusting slave owners frequently raped and assaulted their black slaves imposing on them in a way they couldnt or wouldnt do to their wives. Overwhelmingly, these were certainly not consensual couplings as you are trying to portray here. Everything that has ever been writen and shown historically about this time proves it.
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Sharina-
“Thank you very much for your post. People like joe are the reason I consider home schooling my daughter at times. I don’t want her thrown into an educational system that will teach her the lies of history rather than the truth.”
The reason I would home school my kids is that the US education system is a marxist brainwashing tool, just like in Europe and the rest of the West, that tells Whites they are evil and horrible. I would also homeschool my kids if there were a lot of Blacks in the school because sending a White child there would not be safe.
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@ Joe
You need to get a grip. On reality. American public schools are hardly Marxist or white-bashing. They are more like the opposite:
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Linda
“I find most white Americans have this belief that their forefathers achieved everything on their own, with no help from others, then you all (Americans) turn around and wonder why the rest of the world can’t stand you (and NO, it’s not jealousy)”
Christ, Linda can you really be this ignorant?. You don’t know a damn thing about Americans or what we believe. Yes, our forefathers did achieve most everything on their own, just like the forefathers of any other country did. (Of course, in every country including ours, there was help or influence from others, but it was the forefathers of any country that did most of the creating and building.) As far as the rest of the world, I care about whether they like America or not, just as much as they care whether we like them ,NOT.
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“The more appropriate question is why won’t they? You are way too backwards for your brothers and sisters in continental Europe–they believe in socialism, while”you” are still clinging on to an epic fail called capitalism”
Don’t make me laugh, socialism in Europe is failing. Most European nations have never spent much on their miltary but instead on social welfare because the USA has acted as the world’s policeman. Europe doesn’t have as large and costly Black/Mexican illegal populace using social welfare either though that is rapidly changing and the Euros don’t like it one bit. The USA sadly has a LOT of socialism, 15 trillion spent on our lovely and oh-so-grateful Blacks alone, not to mention the billions we spend on non-White illegals for free medical. Of course, Blacks love socialism as long as Whites are paying the taxes.
“France has an obesity rate just hovering over 8%, while your “family” here is 23% and rising, so “ya’ll” are too fat to join them. ”
One of the reasons are obesity stats are so high are because American Blacks have high obesity rates(thanks to all the EBT cards that Whites pay for for their food and drank), though more American Whites are obese than are Europeans. i don’t want to join Europe.
“But, the grand finale is this–Europe is not lilywhite anymore and you will be surrounded by a plethora of black, brown, and yellow people! Much like you are trying to escape here–but you won’t ever–no matter where you go in the world cause WE are going to be there.”
I’ve been to Europe so I know there are a lot of non-Whites there. Again, if Whites are so evil, why do Blacks and others follow them everywhere going to their countries? Why can’t Blacks make a success of their own nations?
“Black communities are springing up in the Ukraine and Croatia–my husband’s colleauge and our good friend who is white and from Croatia was telling us how happy she was about this! ”
Silly, naive European. She won’t be as the numbers of Blacks and all the crimes and welfare usage increases.
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Whew, I spent much longer on here than I wanted. Pointing out the truth to you people is crazy because there is no so blind that won’t see. Just sit back and blame all your problems(which are totally your fault) on the EVIL WHITE BOOGEYMAN. You’ll never change and take responsibiltiy for yourselves. However, a fair warning, fewer and fewer Whites, seeing the amount of favortism you have, are not buying your crap anymore. If Hispanics do become the majority and that could happen someday if things continue as they are, you can say goodbye or adios to your Black privilege. I’m going and this is my last post, keep living the fantasy folks.
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@Joe
I’ve been to Europe so I know there are a lot of non-Whites there. Again, if Whites are so evil, why do Blacks and others follow them everywhere going to their countries? Why can’t Blacks make a success of their own nations?
Certainly in the UK the black people from the Commonwealth were invited to help support the ‘mother country’ after the war but, of course, you being such a smart man knew this already didnt you. *rolls eyes*
Trust me, for many that arrived in Blightly thinking that the streets were literally paved in gold were in for a nasty shock but d’you know what? They persevered despite the fact that often they were treated like the ‘uninvited guests’ – with cries of ‘go back to your own country’ even those who fought during the war for England were treated in this disgusting way. They were only trying to help re-build a shattered nation, what they had been asked to do in the first place!
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@ Joe
Nor did you get the part where I said blacks don’t blame whites for welfare. You skip right by that. If you actually listened to what most blacks on welfare blame whites for it would blow your mind.
Hey and I know a ton of whites on another blog at this very moment blaming blacks for the economy because of them being on welfare and lazy.
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@ Joe
And before you get off topic. What you actually said was that there are more blacks on welfare than whites. I asked you to post your statistics. I just gave you an example of some of the largest welfare abusers. We can exclude trailer park welfare queens because many of them may actually need it and I do not want to trash people in need.
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@ Joe
In 2010 it was estimated to be about 30,000 to 50,000 people that lived a lifestyle of polygamy. There have been reports that say 100,000 and up.
It is estimated that 61% of welfare users are white, while 33% are black. Now I am not really big on statistics for reasons I have stated before but I tell you what. Go figure out why these numbers are higher (a chance to educate yourself) and then come back. Take this a freebie.
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@ Joe
—No one said They should and before you start raging off topic again most of this is what you brought up. You claimed a large sum of this crap in the beginning of how this land belong to whites, which it did not. DO you know the definition of invade? Look it up. You can’t invade something that has no occupants. You can’t invade empty land so now you are starting to contradict yourself. You can not claim that Indians did not occupy all of it only a small amount and at that same moment claim whites invaded the rest of the empty lands. Once you do that research then you might want to take another look at what you said.
AS far as the American school system, from my experience in it we always learned blacks all came over as slaves. Even you are arguing this ignorant point and yet you are so against the system. It took me going to college and taking an Woman History course to learn that there were blacks that came over here free. Was actually always taught that white men did everything. Turns out the “good” white women did more undercover and blacks and Indians exceeded more than what whites will admit.
—You need to stop trying to claim most because if you cared to research you would actually find how much was stolen from blacks, Asians, etc. and claimed as white inventions. Start with who actually co-invented the light bulb (no Edison did not do it all alone as people have been taught).
—Stupid and backwards. LOL. Where to begin. I guess you missed that episode of American obesity. I guess you also missed the TV 600lbs. Staring a white woman who can’t get out of her house. Oh did you forget the fat white lady that wanted to sue McDonalds because she was fat or was it he hmmmm….If I am to believe the white stereotype then aren’t all blacks athletes? Again this is where you need to actually do some research weight varies depending on height. What is considered obese for one is not obese for another, so any statistic you put in the table will not be of any good unless test actually factor that in. Also as I have stated before and I will be providing links. White women are more likely to get government assistances programs and with that being said they would actually more likely be on EBT.
—You just asked that question so no need for the Again, but it has already been answered. Do you not realize that blacks do not follow whites right? Africa was invaded by whites, Blacks were forced here, and to other European countries by whites. They did procreate in those areas. You can’t be stupid enough to ask this but then again you already proved that.
—You keep claiming it but do not post any statistics to it although you have claimed you have them to prove it. Also you are now trying to claim all blacks are on welfare. You must be blowing a fuse.
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I see that Joe said in his last comment that his last comment would be his last comment. Who believes that he will come back with more comments?
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@ Joe
“If Hispanics do become the majority and that could happen someday if things continue as they are, you can say goodbye or adios to your Black privilege. I’m going and this is my last post, keep living the fantasy folks.”
Did you skip that part in school that said HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE. For you to be that stupid after I told you it was not before is beyond me.
Secondly try as you might but there are; what you white people call black Hispanics and based on your ignorant logic I still will have a heads up on you because I am married to an Hispanic. LOL.
It does not pay to be stupid.
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@ brothawolf and Bulanik
I am sure he will be back. Dumb as ever
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“JOe
Christ, Linda can you really be this ignorant?. You don’t know a damn thing about Americans or what we believe. Yes, our forefathers did achieve most everything on their own, just like the forefathers of any other country did.”
What I say is not fiction but the truth and all of it can be backed up with facts. Of course to a brainwashed, politically correct person like yourself, you do find the truth to be an “entertaining story”..”
Linda says,
Joe–Hahahahaha…you called ME, politically correct and brainwashed too….hahaha…that was cute…my fantastic English must have clued you in….your entertainment quota is going up:-)
You assume too much, sunshine, and I don’t want you to live up to being the caricature of the saying ‘when you assume….”
I’ll ignore half of what you said because I must have hurt your feelings, so you wish to lash out…dry your eyes Joe and lets start again.
so, Let’s pick up where I left off:
NO, Joe, your forefathers did not achieve everything on their own. They did achieve many things but they had LOADS of help.
I see you completely ignored the fact that your Declaration of Independance and American Constitution got it’s backbones from the Iroquois Nation
http://www.lightparty.com/Spirituality/Iroquois.html
So, thank the Native Indians for introducing your white forefathers to Democracy.
Now, let’s talk about this Native Indian population number you keep squaking about.
It’s estimated that in 1776, there were 2.5 million people living in the American colonies. The first official census, 1790, recorded 3,929,214 people of the United States. (The Indian nations weren’t included)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1790_United_States_Census
Native Indians were only included in US after they were herded onto Reservations in 1860, so JOe, you have NO idea how many natives lived in America, since your own white ancestors had NO CLUE.
http://www.archives.gov/research/census/native-americans/1790-1930.html
It was estimated that the Aztecs alone, were about 125 million (and that was just the tippy, tippy, Southwest).
to paraphrase you, “Christ, Joe, can you really be so ignorant?
(Christ, Linda can you really be this ignorant?)…you wish I was ignorant. As it stands, it’s going to take me days to re-educate you because the Kool-aide jug you drank from was massive.
What’s also kind of hilarious is how you are so certain about Your so called FACTS when your own American historians admit they don’t know the how many Native Indians there were in North America and they can’t even agree on an estimated number.
Alfred Kroeber thought it was 8.4 million, and “Henry Dobyns, an anthropologist, claimed in 1966 that there were between 10 and 12 million people north of Mexico in 1492, and between 90 and 112 million in all of the Americas.”
http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072879130/student_view0/chapter1/where_historians_disagree.html
Maybe you would have been better off attending your secondary school…the education is sort of free after all (yes, I know, you all pay taxes, blah, blah, blah…not as much as Europe though, cry babies)
For you pleasure and perusal
map of Native Indian nations in North / Central America 1500’s
http://go.grolier.com/atlas?id=mh00100
map of Native Indian nations in North America 1700’s
and hey Joe, good luck in learning your new national language–Spanish.
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Of course, Abagond, has me in moderation after I wrote Joe such an insightful letter 🙂
Sharina, I have a questions for you.
Why do Americans say that ‘Hispanic is not a Race’?
I’ve heard this for the past few years and I am confused, considering that the average Caribbean, Central or South American Latino is mixed race (possible combinations of 2 or 3–European, Native Indian, and African),
Since races are made up anyway, why can’t they be termed ‘Hispanic’?
What race should they be?
Is this another ‘only in America’ concept since no other country practices the ‘one drop rule’ (Only USA)
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“But this part is worrying:
“The reason I would home school my kids …”
People like JOe have children.
They really shouldn’t.”
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@ Bulanik-
Joe’s home schooled, or public educated, kids will likely be spewing “historical” facts like how white America – and Israel – founded Palestine, Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc and caused this newly US/Isreali remade Middle East to become a wonderful oil producing mecca that prospered and enriched the indigenous people living on only 1% of the aforementioned land.
*eye roll*
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Well it happened again last night. Four people dead, all Black-on-Black crime. Nobody’s has been arrested, because of “STOP SNITCHIN'”. Gotta protect those thugs at all costs. Better to have blood of your own people in the streets than have a thug face justice.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20120624_Night_of_violence_leaves_four_dead.html?c=r
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@Linda
I just wanted to quickly say this. In American culture, generally speaking, there is no mixed/biracial/coloured racial classification. It was phased out about a hundred years ago. Hispanics may be a mixed race, again generally speaking, but they will most likely be classified as White, Black or Latino (meaning a sort of watered down Native).
Also, I have seen a fair amount of Australians and New Zealanders use the one-drop rule as well.
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@Linda
Hispanic isn’t a race; its a cultural inheritance, to put it simply the closest you can get to out and out race for Hispanics are the ones from Spain and they are more or less white…..
What people refer to as a “race” for Hispanics would be Mestizo.
Unless you want to get real hardcore about what you mean inregards to race and include all the groups such as Irish, English, French etc….as different races as well.
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@ Linda
Watching “The Wiz” so sorry if it takes long for me to respond. According the American census and tab keepers Hispanic is not a race. We are always categorized by the color of our skin etc. The thing about it though is now all of a sudden the very people who made this crap up now want to separate themselves from Hispanics and make them a separate race. That is the way I see it and of course I could be wrong.
Most Hispanics I have met see themselves as separate anyway.
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@ Jay for Philly
Now that you have taken the time to research, then take the time to research black people. Blacks do not and have not ever condoned black crime no matter who the victim is. Blacks will likely shun their own to a much higher degree than most outside idiots think, especially when they commit crimes. For those that don’t speak up it is not due to not snitching as you have been so dumb enough to believe. Don’t snitch is a gang thing and it refers to gang members not snitching on other gang members.
Blacks who usually witness crime do not speak out of fear for their life. Similar to white judges, officers, and other individuals who do not speak when Italian mobsters kill, steal, and do the like. The only difference is blacks are not offering those greedy judges, officers, etc. a cut of the profits. The blacks that committed that crime will more likely end up in jail and racist bigots like you can go on complaining about black crime rate and at the same time complain about how blacks never get caught. You people would not know your azz from a hole in the wall.
Now go type in a search and find the churches and other black community organizations that are fighting black crime.
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Whoah it must be a full moon out tonight what with JOe and Jay from Philly posting. Were you on vacation Jay?
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“SomeGuy,
In American culture, generally speaking, there is no mixed/biracial/coloured racial classification”
Yes. I’m aware.
I know the US government started using the term Hispanic in 70’s to cover anyone coming from a Spanish-speaking country, but I think by breaking them down into black or white is misleading, considering practically a new group of people were created by the bi- or tri-racial lineage that goes back many years (but due to La Raza, many people deny the Indio or African heritage)
“Sharina@
Most Hispanics I have met see themselves as separate anyway.”
Linda says,
Very true, which is why I asked my question. Most Latinos don’t buy into the whole US Hispanic vs Latino debate anyway (they will call themselves by nationality)
but to fit into the US paradigm of race, US based Hispanic / Latinos need to be described as something, since American society likes to put everyone in racial boxes, and calling them either white or black is inaccurate based on their mixed genealogy.
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@Sharina
We generally don’t talk to Jay. Answering him s waste of your good time. His main thing is to go BWE sites and try to get his rocks off. He’s just a pissant.
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@Linda
I agree that we Americans have some strange ideas about race and racial classifications. At this point, I can’t tell if it’s getting better or worse.
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@ Linda
I get what you are saying.
The thing about it with me is I find it all too funny that the same people who made it such a big deal are the same people who want to undo it because it does not paint the white light for the white race. For example the Martin case. I hear all too often white “racist” screaming:
He is not white he is Hispanic or This is the liberal media’s way of starting a race war because Zimmerman is not white.
Yet, they forget that is it their standards of race that makes him white.
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I will never understand racist whites’ hatred of black people. They’re being irrational.
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@Leigh
I ask that question everyday and while I have some ideas…none of them stick because I meet a new racist with a new set of views and always too stupid to count.
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@ Sharina:
LOL! I mean, it never ceases to amaze me how racist people can hate another race simply because of the hue of their skin. It makes no sense to me whatsover.
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Why would you expect to understand an irrational person? By definition there is nothing there to understand.
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blacks, please don’t call whites evil…i bet if you were born white, you would do the same to blacks.
you have to realise that calling them bad and blaming them is not going to make them love you or not fear you.
White superiority is something that almost all whites have from childhood…
you can watch the doll test on you tube to understand what i mean.
whites think that they are the ones who are normal, nice, good,…. from childhood, they grow up with this in their mind.
To make them understand that blacks and whites are both nice, normal, good is not easy.
Blacks;
Use some understanding.
whites:
Get rid of white superiority mentatality.
Peace
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@ LEIGH.. You dont understand? Irrational? I guess you have never had the pleasure of living in a neighborhood where there was zero crime until blacks moved in and all of a sudden the crime rate skyrockets, gangs infest the streets..
Is it an irrational fear that if your wife or daughters car breaks down in a black neighborhood they are in danger ?
Maybe you have never had the pleasure of walking thru an all black neighborhood at night…Irrational? EVEN JESSIE JACKSON FEARS A GROUP OF YOUNG BLACK ME TO YOUNG WHITE MEN!
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@bob
There really is nothing to fear…I have broken down in a black neighborhood…guess who helped me and who kept driving! I get my lottery tickets at a gas station in a place that the army declared off limits to white soldiers because they said it was the “ghetto” and white people were in danger there (same place I broke down). And guess who robs the gas station the most! In case you guessed wrong…It was a group of black men that helped me while all the white men kept driving by. And the gas station gets robbed by white men all the time.
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It seems there are people on here that are naive to who is committing crimes across America…so let me give you a little advice. If you live in a well off neighborhood or even a middle class neighborhood…don’t let people in your house dressed in suits or slacks and ties that are trying to sell you something. They will often offer you a free item such as 2 liter of soda, free room of carpet cleaning, can of pringles, etc. They are normally casing your house to see what they can steal and a week later your house will be broken into. It normally happens frequently around Christmas and Tax season. Also if you live in a well off or middle class neighborhood that is building new houses…the construction crews will case houses and cars and break into them. Those are all things that happen frequently where I live. I have only let one salesperson in my house after checking his legitimacy with the company and I actually purchased something from him and the whole time he was there…he was afraid…because he was in a white owned house in the south and he was black. He was very polite and I tried to make him less scared but it did not help much. He went through the whole presentation regardless of how scared he was. I even got a hand written “thank you” letter from him a few weeks later.
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@ Ange
“blacks, please don’t call whites evil…i bet if you were born white, you would do the same to blacks.”—I am going to guess you are young or someone that has been brainwashed to believe that if whites do it so does every other group. If the later is true then you need to grow up and educate yourself.
For starters blacks don’t hate whites. Most people come in here and believe that and almost all the white racist that do comment never once realize we are talking about racist and not whites in general. Most if not all of us have white friends, family, etc. So it is not this hate for white people. Most want to work with white people to come to some understanding and this is not just blacks but other people of color and a small group of white people want this is well. We all just want to be treated as individuals and not constantly be deemed “bad” simply because of the color of our skin. White racist always make up the we don’t like you because of ghettos, robberies, and crime statistics, then they forget that a lot of blacks do not live in the ghettos. A lot of blacks don’t commit crimes, a lot of blacks are not thugs etc. That is when those like us here realize it is just a mass production of excuses. They want to excuse their hate. Justify it for the masses. They practice divide and conquer to make people of color hate each other so they can continue individual racist tactics. The list could go on but for the sake of time lets stop here.
My first instance of racism was a whites towards Asians and at the time I was too young to understand. I hated watching Asian women constantly subject themselves to white beauty standards. Was in my teen when I realize it was an issue with blacks as well.
“To make them understand that blacks and whites are both nice, normal, good is not easy.”—I agree it is not easy, but I also realize that giving up is a cop-out. If you are a person of color do you want to be treated like crap constantly by white men and just write it off as “they were born that way.” No. No one wants that and where other groups once were silent about this; A new generation has been coming forth slowly fighting such injustices by racist whites.
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@ Satanforce
Thanks for the heads up.
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@ Bob
I am black and I am not afraid of neither, so y our point abut Jesse Jackson is very mute. If you want to know what a black person is thinking. Try asking a black person and stop assuming what black people think.
Because you are the third person to do this…Why do you white people think that because you are afraid of something or because you do something then blacks must do it?
Also to add to what Michelle just said you to. There is a place smack in the middle of the ghetto around here. White men and women will drive their nice clean fancy cars there just to get the chicken. Day or night. Not one of them are afraid to at all. It is a black runned business and they tried to put one in the upscale neighborhood (our upscale is mixed with blacks, whites, and Hispanics) but it failed because all of the whites preferred the black neighborhood restaurant.
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@Sharina
Some of the best food here is in those “unsafe” places. They are family owned and not commercialized. When I worked I would go to lunch at some of these places that look like little shacks and you walk in and see businessmen in suits having meetings over lunch. That stereotype of unsafe is just that…a stereotype based off of unjustified fear. I always enjoyed those places because it added to the experience…it felt like I was stepping back in time before everything became franchised. I prefer roadside or parking lot bbq to the big name bbq restaraunts…but I have been with people that were too afraid to stop and get food. They could never give good reasons but kept claiming they were justified in their reasons. I would not go to lunch with them again. I finally got to the point of asking first before I left in someone else’s car lol.
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To Linda and Jay from Philly:
The police do a stellar job at arresting black perpetrators, especially when they admit they killed someone (like Zimmerman), so that people who like statistics can throw those numbers into black Americans faces and talk about crime because the police are on top of their jobs in the black community and those black criminals get arrested.
In general, arrest rates for reported crime are lower in predominantly Black neighborhoods.. but speaking of statistics.
Jay from Philly mentioned the “no snitching” attitude however the US Department of Justice surveys indicate Blacks actually report crime at a slightly higher rate than Whites, which FWIW jibes with my experience with Black people that I worked with in an informal neighborhood watch.
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To Sharina:
Also to add to what Michelle just said you to. There is a place smack in the middle of the ghetto around here.
My I ask what region of the country you live and the size of your town..?
Personally I have had few problems with Black people in smaller to medium size cities in the South.
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@ Uncle Milton
I live in the south. I live really close to the border of Georgia so it is easy to cross. The town or ghetto area I was referring to is in Georgia. population as of 2007 is 8468. I will try to find something more recent.
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@Sharina…I live close to the border of Georgia as well…I do most everything in Georgia. The town I am referring to has a population of 189,885 as of 2010.
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@ Michelle
There is this amazing Fish market and restaurant in the ghetto that has been their since I was a child. White owned and have the best seafood ever. The chicken restaurant that is black owned is always packed and oh so good. My husband went to the ghetto the other day for some bbq restaurant he found. My favorite Chinese restaurant is in the ghetto. LOL.
I love it here and most people are very friendly. They give you so much food I usually end up with my lunch and dinner off one meal. 🙂
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@ Michelle
My town is so small that I have no choice but to do things in Georgia. LOL. with a population of 8468 you pretty much know everybody lol. The Georgia town closet to me has a population 195,844.
For all those that thought the south was super racist. This should show you it is not. LOL.
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Sharina,
I sympathize. My town seems small and settles in a red state in the South (South Carolina).
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@ Brothawolf
Wow you are in South Carolina too. LOL such a small world it is indeed.
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i see even in this research that they will try tokeep there lies in tact .Even when you look through out history of not just america but the world . anglo-saxons have a mind set to do nothing but kill, steal, and destroy others and their own . Do you really think that they invented such things as MATHEMATICS/ASTRONOMY / ARCHITECTURE shhh……even great cooking,lol. No but seriously the majority of the people in the world lived in the africa and the persian gulf ,but hey give them credit for the names of the continents and taking the sabbath away from our God. if you study cultures every non-european culture has a evil name for white people……(example white-devil). the fact that every thing has a begining and an end they need to ask for forgiveness to all races.
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@ Real TAlk
The problem is most whites or rather white racist; do not see the real issue. They don’t like a person of color pointing out their flaws because they see themselves as perfect. The generally think most people of color make up things.
A good example is when I went to a blog on whitewashing of films. Asians in the room were upset that asian characters were being made white. One guy was so bold as to say that yea and if I don’t agree with you all you Asians will say that I am racist. This is something I thought was only said about blacks. Which lead me to realize that anyone that does not agree with white people they assume they are A) racist or B) will assume that they are racist. This could be a result of them being called racist all the time but most white racist are so dense they don’t even realize why they are racist at all.
Anyway I am rambling. Whites feel like they fixed something or made it better and to me there interferences have made things worse and brought about a lot of hate a distrust of whites.
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I don’t envy a single black person on this planet, I feel no guilt for a black person’s “plight,” nor do I feel any need to contribute to or support “reparations.”
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@comments
Wanna cookie?
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try examining yourselves collectively as a race. Most human progress, advances in science, inventions, technology, the spread of Christianity, basically anything good in human history, was based in whole in in significant part on the efforts, industry, commitment, dedication and risk taking of people of European descent. Sorry that’s the way it is, but “it tiz what tit tiz.”
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@ comments
I second that!
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Correction
@ The cynic
I second that!!!
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@ comments
You need to attempt to remotely educate yourself before saying anything. It would be a shame for someone to just walk in and make you look more stupider than you managed to do on your own.
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@ comments
Human progress was the result of many races not just Europeans. We can say they take the cake at stealing the most advances in science, inventions, technology etc.
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You have about 5-10 more years of a free ride until my generation replaces our parents. On on that point, at least we know who ours are. You’re done once you have to make it on your own. Historically, you can’t. You aren’t used to a white person getting in your face are you? “More stupider,” did you learn that one at Howard University?
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@ comments
For starters I have 2 degrees to my name so this imaginary free ride you want to claim does not exist for me or my family.
Secondly I can trace my family back several generations. O’bannons on what side of the fence and a long line of Dallas on the other. My great grandfather Dallas was actually one of the first free slaves in this area. My dear father in the manager at the company he works for. Did all that with good old hard work.
Historically blacks can and have, but I am giving you time to get off your lazy white inbred but to look and actually see what blacks have done before I shatter your white world into pieces.
You will be surprised what I learned. Tick Tock.
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@ comments
For the record. It is always the stupid ones that talk first and read later.
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I don’t envy a single black person on this planet, I feel no guilt for a black person’s “plight,” nor do I feel any need to contribute to or support “reparations.”
If we wanted to hear from an a–hole like you we’d f-rt!
You aren’t used to a white person getting in your face are you?
Genius, do you realize you are typing this message behind a screen? Nope, didn’t think so.
You have about 5-10 more years of a free ride until my generation replaces our parents.
Is that a threat or a promise? If it’s a promise, carry on!
try examining yourselves collectively as a race.
Take your own advice, maybe you will actually learn some thing! On second thought, probably not.
Most human progress, advances in science, inventions, technology, the spread of Christianity, basically anything good in human history, was based in whole in in significant part on the efforts, industry, commitment, dedication and risk taking of people of European descent. Sorry that’s the way it is, but “it tiz what tit tiz.”
You forgot Hitler, Stalin, King Leopold II….a lovely bunch, that lot, spreaders of good will like yourself!
@Joe:
You’re insane, carry on!
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@ Herneith
Is it me or all the trolls getting a bit dumber.
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correction are*
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Gotta love those “Angry White Male” posters.Their middle-class Utopian dream ultimately resulted in a short respite from peonage. Enjoy your post-modern servitude “comments”, you’ve earned it. Good on you! Peanut butter jelly time!
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Sharina,
I’ve noticed that too.
Someguy,
It seems comments is in a world of his own, and he thinks he’s king.
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@ Brothawolf
I guess their motto must be “It is cool to say something stupid.”
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@ brotherwolf
Yup, he’s a little “Tin Hitler”.
VEE SHALL CONQUER ZEE WORLD! MUAHAHA!
Since the Baby Boomers thinks his generation are all a bunch of slackers, maybe he’ll invent a robot to do the work for him.
M-M-MASTER! THE ROYAL BALLS ARE CLEAN! INITIATING SHUTDOWN!
I did notice him mention Reparations. It Seems like that word comes out of more White mouths than Black ones. Funny that.
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@ SomeGuy
“I did notice him mention Reparations. It Seems like that word comes out of more White mouths than Black ones. Funny that.”—That is because most whites believe that throwing money at something fixes every problem.
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Sharina,
That’s basically it.
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Does he know how many people died in this “spreading of Christianity “?
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@ B.R.
I don’t think he does or maybe he is like most white racist who have been taught the everything good is white. The common theme with most racist seem to be little or no knowledge of pretty much anything. They live in a bubble of hate. Most of the time it is funny, but it really is sad at times too.
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good article, one of the best article i read on this site. to the point an true.
but i have to say that the author did forget to mention that black people are hated on because of their physical beauty, especially our chocolate skin.
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@ Herneith…as always, only you can shut down trolls with your razor-sharp wit! 😉
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comments,
You screamed, “try examining yourselves collectively as a race. Most human progress, advances in science, inventions, technology, the spread of Christianity, basically anything good in human history, was based in whole in in significant part on the efforts, industry, commitment, dedication and risk taking of people of European descent. Sorry that’s the way it is, but “it tiz what tit tiz.”
It’s so funny when you racists or race realists or whatever you call yourselves try to mock ebonics to make fun of a group.
Anyway, first off, why not try and follow your own advice, and not just do it to find out how great you THINK you are. Why not examine your shortcomings, faults, and sins, unless you’re crazy enough to think white people are better than Jesus.
And as I recall, there were a lot of deaths during the spread of Christianity. So much for faith, huh?
Then you rant saying, “You have about 5-10 more years of a free ride until my generation replaces our parents. On on that point, at least we know who ours are. You’re done once you have to make it on your own. Historically, you can’t. You aren’t used to a white person getting in your face are you? “More stupider,” did you learn that one at Howard University?”
The white racist mindset (WRM) is poisonous on so many levels.
What is this “free ride” you’re talking about? (I bet he’ll say affirmative action and welfare if he does respond).
As far as making it on your own, historically speaking, your people didn’t and apparently couldn’t. You need us to look after your children, tend to your crops, build your houses, cook for you, clean for you, etc. etc. while your ancestors hardly did anything that required lifting a finger. So, in a way you need us WAY more than we need you.
If whites were all that, they would’ve done all that I’ve mentioned and more ON THEIR OWN. So, tell me again, who can’t make it on their own?
I’m waiting.
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Man, what the hell is wrong with these people? lol
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@ Brothawolf
I ask myself the same thing every time one of them comments. I have to wonder if our educational system is so screwed up that they actually believe that whites have really made all the advancements they believe. Do they not know about Benjamin Banneker, Granville Woods, or William Purvis?
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Wow! I ran across this site by accident. I was amazed at the level of anger and hatred here. I realize that a lot of it may be justified as I do not know your situation.
I am a white, Canadian female.There are good and bad in any race. I do not believe blacks are criminals, dumbers etc than whites.
Race should not be a consideratiojn in the worth of an individual. Integrity, hard work, honesty, etc make up the worth of someone. There are many fine black leaders in the world, just as there are many good white leaders.
Our children should be raised side by side, equal in every opportunity and right.
Many whites, myself included have a high regard or low regard for people based on the individual. It is a little unrealistic and harsh to lump all whites or blacks together. It is racial discrimination either way.
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@ Ruth
It is actually not about all whites, so no need to get all hyped up. It is actually referring to whites that act that way. It becomes tiring constantly putting “racist” whites in front of whites all the time so some people don’t do it and just put whites, but it is not referring to them all as some in here have white friends and family members.
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@ Sharina…believe it or not, there are many white Americans who have never heard of those men or any of the other successful Black people throughout history besides MLK.
My husband had never heard of Dr. Charles Drew until I told him. I chalk it up to a lack of exposure in many cases. It seems that most white people don’t have to know much about Black history, but we have to learn all about theirs in school for the most part.
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@Cinnamondiva
I honestly feel that this lack of information is what causes the issues between blacks and whites. So many whites believe strongly that only whites have done things and accomplished things. It is sad but I think if the schools started teaching facts then this would possibly resolve a lot of issues.
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@ Ruth Kirby…I’m not sure who you think is being angry and hateful, but it seems your view is a bit simplistic and naive. I don’t mean that as a personal attack, so please don’t be offended.
I am a woman of mixed race (black and white). My husband is white. And as Sharina pointed out, many of the other people of color on this website also have white friends and family members. But we tend to distinguish racist whites from the white people who take the time to understand where we’re coming from.
As a Canadian, your perspective on racial issues might be slightly different from those of us in the United States. Racism is a problem in Canada as well, but most of us are talking about racism from our perspectives as people of color in America or the UK or wherever. And as a white woman, you might not understand what people of color have to deal with very often with regard to racial discrimination, among other issues.
I agree with all of your statement about how there is good and bad in every race. I agree with the notion that race should not be a consideration in a person’s worth. It is wonderfully idealistic to see the world that way. But unfortunately, that isn’t reality. An honest character and a good work ethic are fine things to have and they will help a person to succeed…but skin color matters. Race matters.
It shouldn’t, but it does. This is something many of us learn as children. As long as people continue to judge one another for superficial reasons, race will always be an issue. It is that elephant in the room which will never disappear. And while I don’t agree with those that insist on bashing all white people or declaring that all white people are evil racists, the truth is that many people have had painful experiences with white folks and it left them feeling like they can’t trust most white people.
It sounds like you’re hinting at “reverse racism” with your last comment. The truth is that yes, some people of color are very angry and hurt and they have every right to be. No, it is not an excuse to be hateful and cruel…but you can’t expect people to be lovey-dovey when it comes to a subject like racism either. It is something that runs very deep, especially in America.
I hope I wasn’t too harsh. I simply wanted to share my thoughts on what you had to say.
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Sorry to hear the plight of black people in America. The reality is that, thank god most black people live in Africa and the Carribean. Therefore they do not have to suffer from white man racism. We are the lucky ones.
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LMAO at Joe. Paraphrased from his statement:”If (white) America would just give black Americans trillions of dollars and send them back to Africa, america would be a better place!”
Really, really? He didn’t see anything amiss with sending (literally) tens of millions of educated black people with (if they didn’t have them before, they’d surely have them *now*) chips on their shoulders and trillions of dollars in free cash, back to Africa? There are tens of thousands of university-trained black doctors, financial analysts, engineers, scientists, etc., living in Africa right now (who, in concert with the native degree holders, are doing their damndest to “modernise” countries such as Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya and South Africa/Namibia among others.) Does it even make a lick of sense, to you, to send *even more* educated black people to the continent (where the very first thing that will pop into their heads is, “If we have to live here now, why the f*ck are we sending millions of tons of steal to Asia and Europe when we don’t have steel reinforced buildings of our own?”) I’m not even exaggerating on that point, as I have a cousin (engineer, retired) who spends six months out of every year teaching classes on modern metallurgy to students in central African countries (Nigeria is his personal favorite, but he’s visited the CAR and Rwanda as well.) Do you honestly think that your life will be *better* when politically adept black Americans start wandering through the continent and telling various Africans that, “This is what you’re fighting about, the right to be rejected by Americans and Europeans and Asians as soon as you become inconvenient. They won’t come here to fight us for fear of losing too many soldiers. They won’t use nuclear weapons against us for fear of losing our materials, our gold and our oil and our iron. We’re selling these things to non-Africans for pennies on the dollar, so that they can make their countries beautiful for even their poorest people as our “rich” people have to lead us into slavery and genocide to afford houses make of concrete. *Why* are we doing this to each other?”
For reference, the above spiel was essentially said word for word by a Sudanese immigrant/refugee, who I met in my travels. He told me that his revelation re: non-African exploitation of African resources began on the day that he decided to get married. Prior to emigrating to Europe, he had worked for a decade in a Botswana gold mine (remember, refugees travel very far) and was paid about $5/ounce of mined gold (whether in dust or flakes) and $10/finger segment-sized nugget. When he worked the mine, he thought that he was being paid *well* (as there were mines within a day’s walk where the miners would be paid 1/2-1/5th of their salaries.) So, having an intimate relationship with gold measures, he assumed that a set of four wedding bands would cost him €100-150 at most (if fees for smelting and transport were included, plus a 100% markup for profit.). He walked into a jewelry store, picked out the richest/smallest bands available and asked the price. The jeweler told him €750. When he heard the cost, he remembered that the local black market/undercover gold melter (a family who would turn “stolen” gold into discreet bars) would only charge 50% of the amount of smuggled gold. The rings, rings that he could have bought for about $100 American in Botswana, were marked up by close to 1000%. On that day, he thought to himself, “If I, a man who didn’t learn to *read* until I was old enough to drink legally, could see that there was something wrong with the dealings here, then surely all of the black Americans who worked in the offices at my janitor’s job would figure it out *if they were forced to live the life that I had lived*.” He took another pull from his Stübbi and added, “If we, as black people, made the other people pay us the same way as they pay each other, we wouldn’t have all of the problems that we have. Instead, we spend our time talking about how much we don’t need or care about non-Africans with our mouths, while chasing them with our minds. Everything the European has, he puts online. We could make our own solar panels, our own factories, our own cars. We have the means at our fingertips, but we would rather chase a name brand and cosy up to the same people who treat us like dirt than to do things for ourselves.” Then he finished his beer and left…
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Oh my word… black people attempting to ‘work white people out’ makes for some great comedy. Where do I even begin…
Well, how about I begin with the person who said ‘I truly believe Europeans will never join the global community’. Sorry, what? The only countries I can think of off the top of my head that have not ‘joined the global community’ are North Korea, Saudi Arabia & Iran (and I’m sure a few others, although it depends how you define ‘joining the global community’). North Korea in particular, is an isolationist state. Name some European countries that are isolationist… go on.
If white people are so racist, why have they allowed mass non-white immigration into Western Europe for the past 50 years (particularly for the past 15 years)? Someone, please explain that to me.
If white supremacists run the USA, why then in 1999 did NATO decide to bomb Yugoslavia, killing over 2000 innocent white people? I guarantee no one who reads what I just said knows ANYTHING about the decimation of Yugoslavia in 1999, at the hands of NATO.
If white people are so evil, why are Africans literally risking their lives attempting to cross the Mediterranean on little wooden crafts, just so they can make it into Europe? They seek refuge amongst white people, so if white people are so evil, why do Africans choose Europe to seek refuge in, and not other African countries, or Arab/Asian countries for that matter?
If white people are so evil, why do blacks always move into white neighbourhoods? Blacks move into white neighbourhoods, then the area goes downhill and whites start to move out. You never see white people moving into black neighbourhoods, only the other way around.
If whites are so evil, why is this happening? If white people are so racist, why are they so generous when giving to charities which are collecting for BLACK people in desperate need of food & water when there’s a drought/famine in Africa?
So many good questions… and all you’re going to do is either ignore them or say I’m talking bullshit. Haha… love it! XD
Now, to prove you’re all REALLY against slavery, and not just a bunch of racists trying to justify their hatred of whites, I need to ask you – have you ever spoke of the history of the Arabs, and their enslavement of black Africans which was occurring ONE THOUSAND YEARS before the Atlantic slave trade was established? In all, the Arab enslavement of black Africans lasted over 1300 years. Do you have anything to say about that? Google ‘Arab enslavement black Africans’ to DESTROY your ignorance, racists.
And now, current events – The enslavement of black Africans in Mauritania, at the hands of Berbers. What are YOU all doing to stop it? Don’t answer, I know what you’re doing… NOTHING. You’d rather moan & whine about white folk, post up some pictures of Malcolm X & other black revolutionaries on your blogs. LOL! How pathetic! You’ve all been exposed. You either know about the enslavement of blacks at the hands of Berbers today, and you’re doing nothing to stop it… or you’re unaware of it – either way, you’re all fake, because you aren’t even aware of current African issues (or just don’t care) – SLAVERY being the most pressing one – wouldn’t you agree? Are you helping your ‘brothers & sisters’ out in Africa who are currently enslaved by Berbers? Are you attempting to break the mental & physical chains that keep them in bondage? What are YOU doing? N – O – T – H – I – N – G.
The truth is, many whites don’t like blacks simply because of the way you ACT. You are loud, obnoxious, rude, arrogant, ignorant, aggressive… so basically, just plain unpleasant. I DO NOT want to live amongst you – but growing up in London, I was FORCED to.
Blacks make up just 10% of London’s population, yet are responsible for over 70% of London’s street crime.
Out of all violent crimes between blacks & whites (in the USA), 90% of the time, WHITES are the victim. So, say there’s 1 million violent crimes committed between blacks & whites (against each other) – this means that 900,000 of these violent crimes involves a WHITE person, and a BLACK perpetrator.
And your own ‘culture’ (rap) outright glamorizes crime. That’s the stereotype YOU have created for yourself – not whites – YOU. Don’t like it? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. DESTROY IT.
Start raising your bastard children, instead of letting them run around, free-will.
Black males (I can’t call them ‘men’), stop being such COWARDS and start taking responsibility & learn how to raise your fucking BASTARD children, so they don’t end up living a life of crime, which only reinforces the ‘black thug’ stereotype that your beloved hero 2 Pac (and all the other black rappers) was so keen on.
Now remember, black folk – if white people are so evil, why are blacks moving into white neighbourhoods & seeking REFUGE in European countries? Always keep this in mind, because it utterly obliterates ALL your arguments about how whites are oh so evil and racist and nasty and mean… boo hoo.
I did have to smile though when blacks ran to white people for help when the earthquake hit Haiti… and when Katrina struck NOLA… and whenever there’s a drought/famine in Africa… it’s always the white man to the rescue. ALWAYS.
So no, there’s nothing wrong with white people – there’s things wrong with individual white people, because they have individual problems, but there’s nothing wrong with white people as a race.
Remember now black folk, if white people are so racist, why are Africans literally risking their lives attempting to cross the Mediterranean on little wooden crafts, just so they can make it into Europe? They seek refuge amongst white people, so if white people are so evil, why do Africans choose Europe to seek refuge in, and not other African countries, or Arab/Asian countries for that matter? Haha, I sure love making this point, because everyone I make it to is left completely speechless. 😀
So black folk, you get back to talking about how wonderful your skin is, how you were the first people on the planet (hmmm… surely if you were the ‘first people’ on this planet, you would be the most advanced, no? LMAO), how whites hate you because they’re jealous… and a bunch of other stuff, to make yourselves feel better.
As we see, Africa is a cesspit. Everything good that it has today, is due to Europeans – the entire infrastructure was built by Europeans. The Kariba Dam & Manyuchi Dam in Zimbabwe… thanks to white engineers. Just two examples… that must hurt Mugabe so much. So much for his ‘black pride’ LMAO!
If you want reparations, go take a walk to the ELITE of the countries that participated in slavery. Also bear in mind that whilst the Atlantic slave trade was established, white people in Western Europe were virtual slaves themselves – they did NOT benefit from slavery, only the elite did.
And I take it you’ll also go to the Arabs for reparations from them too, yes? Seeing as they enslaved blacks for 1000 years longer than the white man did, I would have thought your focus would be more on them… but me making that point is just another way of exposing your hatred of whites (whine about white enslavement of blacks, but never say a word about Arab enslavement of blacks, or the current Berber enslavement of blacks in Mauritania).
Keep in mind too that the Irish, Greeks, Lithuanians, Romanians, Russians, Finnish, Icelanders, Polish, Norwegians, Serbs, Austrians, Estonians, Slovakians, Czechs etc etc never had anything to do with slavery (so you’ll have to find another reason to hate those white people lol).
You can also save the arguments about genocide & slavery that ‘white people’ are responsible for – genocides & slavery have ONLY ever been carried out by the ELITE of nations – so blame THEM. Should Estonians be blamed for the genocide of Native Americans & slavery of black Africans? Exactly, you dopey fools.
I’ve learned plenty about black folk over the years, but one of the things that really stands out about them – they find it virtually impossible to take advice/learn. They are also unable to view things from other peoples’ perspectives, and are unable to question themselves & ask the question ‘maybe it’s me that’s wrong?’.
White people don’t hate non-whites – if they did, they wouldn’t be welcoming so many of them into Europe. There are some who do, but the vast majority don’t. You cannot look at the actions of the elite, then blame all white people based on that. The elite do not care about ANYONE (other than themselves) – white, black, Asian, Muslim, Christian, Hindu… NO ONE.
There really is so much more to say on this subject, but I can’t sit here all day, destroying you racist dummies. I’ve done a damn good job though, in a short period of time. Hehe…
This was fun.
Have a nice day. 🙂
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You wasted a lot of print saying a lot of ridiculas lies…I cant even begin..Europeans decimated Africa, read this blog and all the information is here….whites created white flight and black American ghettos, this is a fact, why are you writing fiction…your whole post is fiction..your arguments have already been addressed and destoyed on this blog many times over, I suggest you read more and get educated
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@ David Bagadev
1.
One of my commenters lived through the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia and knows more about it than you ever will.
2. This thread is about WHY WHITES hate or demonize or look down on BLACKS. Many of the other things you talked about we have heard a zillion times before. They are standard scripted defences used by white racists. Go here if you want to pursue them further:
3. I’ve learned plenty about white folk over the years, but one of the things that really stands out about them – they find it virtually impossible to take advice/learn. They are also unable to view things from other peoples’ perspectives, and are unable to question themselves & ask the question “maybe it’s me that’s wrong?”. Blacks, on the other hand, hear the white perspective ALL THE DAMN TIME – and way too many believe too much of it.
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Don’t bother with this apparent A.W.M. (Angry White Male). I doubt we’ll hear from David again. He’s the type to take a dump, don’t flush and let other people deal with it.
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@ Abagond:
Hope you don’t mind this being a little off topic but reading this guy’s post prompted me to tell you something. I just finished reading a book called The Psychopathic Racial Personality by Bobby E Wright.
Even though the book is small, it’s compact and gets right to the point. I always wondered why whites do and say the things they say. But Dr. Wright explains it to a tee.
White people, in simple terms, are mentally sick. Sicker than we realize. And the scary part about them is they have no clue how diseased they are…they raise their kids in that sickness and the kids continue the vicious cycle.
I recommend it. Just a quick thought.
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@ truthbetold
I am so glad you brought that up because I was generally thinking along the lines that white people have some issues. I don’t want to go into detail on my experience in here as it would be off topic.
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@ Sharina
Ok…open thread then?
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No, blacks cause 80% of crime in the United States. Being white is being ‘wrong’ according to the media.
Some just believe blacks are nasty.
Some love their race, and have pride.
Most gays are black.
Blacks have lower average IQ scores than that of a white.
Just a few examples. ( Not racist if factual! )
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Important fact, this Teddy is not THAT ^ Teddy.
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@ Teddy (the illegitimate one)
Most of what you said is not factual, but your ignorant opinion. How do you know what most gays are? Most public white figures are in the closet gays that are married to women.
I guess we are going to ignore the recent crime by a white guy or better yet the recent string of crimes by whites. Oh yes whites like you always do because if they didn’t then they would not have anything to rag on blacks about.
Actually in a matter of seconds I just proved my IQ is higher than yours so that throws the blacks have lower IQ’s out the window.
In short you have managed to be yet another great specimen for this post. See only racist, insecure, whites like you actually believe the crap the media or other racist tell them.
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Thank you for the opinion. Interesting point of view. Racism is big in America for sure. Personally I came here from a different country where we have no black people at all and I had absolutely no racist attitude against any race at all. If anything I was more fascinated to find out about other people who didn’t look like me. The most disappointing thing was to find out that a lot of black people are very ignorant, lazy and the biggest racists themselves. It’s just a shame the way you guys think you should act like that just because of the past. I’m Russian and in my country slavery ended after it ended in the US and the slaves were white. reparations are just a joke. Most of yous are already receiving welfare and disability. There is some black people that are respectful but most of you give a very very bad impression and not because of the color. Think about it.
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@ Birdie
What you are saying is based on stereotype and confirmation bias – or, at best, unfortunate experiences. I know because for one thing most blacks are not on welfare or disability. It is a matter of public record.
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No, my opinion is truly unbiased. Like I said I’m an outsider, somebody who didn’t grow up in the USA, somebody who came here as a blank page, without an opinion or any idea about stereotyping. Let me tell you, I had lots and lots and lots of bad experience with black folks. And I actually have some black acquaintances that I like very much but I don’t even consider them black because they don’t have this attitude that a lot of black people have. And you, guys, hate us a lot more than we do, it’s just true.
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Its true in your little world, Birdie, I just traveled to the states, randomly called a video company for a shoot, the owner happnes to be black, I didnt know it, got great business, and over all didnt have any problems with any black Americans, only good business, and, got some great help when I needed it from black Americans , one guy went out of his way to help me out with a problem I had, and I super aprecieted it…
I think you only are referencing only your experiances which isnt in any way the whole truth
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@ Birdie
It’s funny how you imply that since you come from Russia, you have no racial bias; as if Russia was free from such concerns. Really? Is that why antisemitism has a stronghold of millions in your country? Is that why there are dozens of Neo-Nazi paramilitary groups in Russia? Is that why there is anti-Islam sentiment and mosques are popping up all over Russia? Really, you have no racial bias, because there are no “Black” people in your country? You, my friend, are no unbiased witness.
And since Russia is practically one gigantic ghetto, perhaps you should worry about your own people instead of googling Black blogs such as this one. Glass houses and all.
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@ Birdie
For someone who is not biased you just managed to spout every ignorant thing a biased could say. A true unbiased individual would look and interact with people on an individual basis and not generalize them based on skin color.
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So wait, you just said “anti-Islam sentiment and mosques are popping up all over Russia”. You just contradicted yourself on that part. If there was an “anti-Islam sentiment” why would mosques pop up everywhere? We have a lot of Muslims and we get along very well. I dated a Muslim guy for 3 years and 50% of my friends are Muslim. I’m completely clueless where you got that information.
Actually talking about Muslim. I always wondered why all of a sudden young black people decided that they want to become Muslim? This is just out of curiosity honestly. I mean I know quite a few that come from a very Christian background but turn into “Muslims” even though they don’t follow the religion at all? Maybe someone could just explain it?
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Just a little article I found:
Russia is another nation experiencing an upsurge in racism and anti-Islamic sentiments. A number of neo-Nazi groups have sprung up in recent years, the most extreme of which have attacked and killed foreigners and immigrants from Chechnya, Tajikstan, and Caucasian nations that were once part of the USSR.
This past July, Amnesty International reported that racially-motivated violence remained a serious problem in Russia. The AI report said that, according to data from the SOVA Centre for Information and Analysis, 37 people died as a result of hate crimes during 2010. The authors wrote:
“In April, Moscow judge Eduard Chuvashov was killed, reportedly by members of a far-right group, after he had sentenced several perpetrators of hate crimes to long-term imprisonment. In October, 22-year-old Vasilii Krivets was sentenced to life imprisonment for the murder of 15 people of non-Slavic appearance. The extent of the problem was brought into sharp focus shortly before the AI report was published when five members of one of Russia’s most vicious neo-Nazi gangs were jailed for committing 27 murders. They belonged to the Nationalist Socialist Society North and were handed life sentences at Moscow City Court. The string of killings included the videotaped decapitation of one of their own gang members.”
During the trial, the court heard how the gang targeted dark-skinned victims. They were also convicted of decapitating one of their own whom they suspected of being a police informant and stealing money from the gang’s funds. The decapitation, during which they donned clown masks and sang a patriotic song, was videotaped and posted online. Following the case, a group of nationalists announced a coalition with Russia’s third-largest political party, the Liberal Democrat Party, which is committed to protecting Russian people and their interests.
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@ Birdie
I don’t know where you live that you claim to know all black people, but there are blacks that were born and raised Muslims. Just as some blacks were raised christian. In the case of my cousin he actually spent a lot of time around black Muslim men and in turn ended up learning their ways and becoming one but since you claim to know blacks so well it is beyond me why you could not figure that much out.
” I mean I know quite a few that come from a very Christian background but turn into “Muslims” even though they don’t follow the religion at all?”—It is funny how you claim this but also make the claim that most black people are bad etc. How would you really know anything about them if they are just these hateful nasty people that you so claim them to be. Would their other family and friends not influence them to be the same if your claim was so true?
Be careful…We would not want you contradicting yourself.
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@ Sharina:
Well, a little birdie told me that Birdie is full of it.
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@ Leigh
She is full of something, but I am giving her enough rope to hang herself because they always do.
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“I mean I know quite a few that come from a very Christian background but turn into “Muslims” even though they don’t follow the religion at all? Maybe someone could just explain it?”
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Why not ask the “quite a few” that you profess to know to explain to you why they, as you phrased it, “turn into ‘Muslims’ even though they don’t follow the religion at all”?
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White love to ask stupid why do Black people…?” type questions.
Well, here’s a stupid “why do white people…? type question:
Why do so many white men apparently think it looks good to pull their hair into a point on the top of their heads?
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One black guy that turned into “Muslim” is my friend’s sister’s husband. All of a sudden he doesn’t eat pork and grew a beard. And that’s about it for him when it comes to Islam. some other ones are my boyfriend’s childhood friends that are pretty much the same. It’s just very funny how they make sure to walk around telling everybody that they are “Muslim” and act like they are better people because of that. I love how everybody on here acts like they don’t know what I’m talking about.
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Birdie, black Americans have been looking towards Islam since the early 50’s.Many black artists and intellectuals were tired of the hypocracy they were facing in a racist white society and expored other posibilities. Many jazz musicians, Americas treasure as far as culture is concerned, were in the vanguard of making this desician to convert to Islam.
You also had a more specific sect, the Nation of Islam, who were more radicle in their concepts, at first, saying all white people were devils. But , they arnt the same as a black American making a conversion to Islam.
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@ Birdie
Either you can’t read or you are too dumb to understand what you are reading. I even gave you a great example at that and you still seem to be in space.
White teens are claiming to be Muslim too in some areas so it is not black exclusive, but since the focus is on blacks (which you clearly know nothing about) let me repeat what I originally said “In the case of my cousin he actually spent a lot of time around black Muslim men and in turn ended up learning their ways and becoming one,” This happens and clearly it has happened in the case you keep talking about, but it is not ALL blacks teens as you keep claiming.You don’t know all black teens hell you only know a handful of black people and it is only due to the relationship with your boyfriend.
Most blacks that do convert actually are converted by full fledged black Muslims.
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So, from a single person you classify a whole group? How many White women start doing yoga and taking about reincarnation? A small minority? But you never hear people say, “What’s with White women and the New Age movement??”
Some people use their religion as a badge, it’s not a Black or White thing; it’s a Human thing. Do you know how many White Mormons come knocking on my door trying to convert me? What’s up with White people trying to convert everybody??
See how that works.
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“It is white people who have a deep crack in their souls.
I know that sounds extreme – partly because we have “white is right” pounded into our heads night and day – but their history shows that there is something seriously wrong with them.”
Genocide, mass murder, mass rape, torture, enslavement, totalitarianism…they have all been done by Asians.
Have Asians got a deep crack in their souls too?
Africans have also showed an ability to do those things in the right circumstances and have done most or all of those things.
No race has a monopoly on immoral behaviour.
But to say that an individual white person living in America or Britain today has a deep crack in their soul because they were born with white skin is horribly racist and ignorant.
It seems that your reaction to the racism that black people have received has been to become racist yourself. its just as ugly and wrong.
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@ Steve
Let me ask you something. Do you put down other racial groups to make you feel better or superior? If the answer to this is no then you are not the type of white person this post is referring to. Now if your answer is yes then this is exactly talking to you.
I urge you to please try to read beyond the words because so often people read the post and have no clue what it is talking about and go on with long posts only to find out later they were wrong and this post was not what they thought.
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@Sharina
He made a clear statement. WHITES have a deep crack in THEIR souls. THEIR history show that there is something seriously wrong with THEM. That is definitely a general statement about white people, not certain white people. I don’t see what difference context makes to that statement. Sorry if I am not subtle enough to understand it properly.
And as for your first question, no, I definitely don’t do that. I’m not proud of being white. i’d happily be something else. In fact, I’d happily be any race as long as I was good looking lol. Maybe I will be black in my next life, eh? If my cracked soul can get into a black body.
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@ Steve
See if you are not like that then the truth of the matter is this does not apply to you. It really is meant for whites that are so far gone their is really no other way to think of them. Most people that are regular on this blog tend to realize that it refers to the racist whites and not all whites.I think at times some see it as a hassell to put racist whites in front of everything.
I know a lot of good white people that I do not believe they fit into this category at all. They are like family. They do not and would never put another race down because they are strong and secure in themselves. Enough so to see the beauty in all races. When I read this I don’t think of them, because immediately a racist white comes to mind.
I could be wrong in what I think and believe the blog is about, but I truly do not believe it is referring to all whites. You can always ask Abagond for clarity.
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@Sharina
He/she wrote it like it was about all whites. I’m sure he/she will see this. He/she can clarify it if he/she wishes.
thanks.
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@ Steve
Sharina has it right. If you want to pull sentences out of context and condemn me a racist, do it by all means and show everyone what kind of dick you are. OR if you want to UNDERSTAND what I am saying, then maybe you can read the WHOLE post and not pick it apart like that.
First sentence:
That sets the scope for the post – it is about the MANY WHITE AMERICANS who demonize, fear and look down on blacks. I am NOT going to put “THE MANY WHITE PEOPLE WHO BLAH BLAH” at the beginning of each sentence just to stop assholes from pulling me out of context. People like that will twist my words some other way. I am not writing for white racist assholes in any case. They have NO desire to understand what I am saying. They just want to play games and not get to what’s real. I am writing for people with some damn sense who read at least at an eighth grade level.
More:
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@ Steve
In rereading this post I ran across two key wordings.
“There are plenty of things that keep white racist thinking in place:” and “Not even material self-interest. After all, plenty of poor whites are racist.” These two statements are indicators that the issue is not all whites but white racist.
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btw is it not also a little ridiculous to write about black people as if they are one person and white people as if they are one person?
“There is absolutely nothing wrong with black people other than the bad patch of history they are going through, its side effects and the ordinary human failings.”
erm….there is something deeply wrong with some black people. The psychopaths, child rapists etc. Other’s are saints and wonderful human beings. A race is composed of individuals.
There’s a bit of a difference between Idi Amin and Martin Luther King.
But no…there’s nothing wrong with black people! They’re just going through a bad patch.
As if they share a soul.
WTF excessive group think.
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Like I said.
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@ Sharina
being racist isn’t the only way to have a cracked soul. Agabond will have to clarify. His/her statement was clear enough.
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@Steve
He did. If you actually read his post and his comment you’d have got it by now.
Missing the ‘many’ in the race-related posts seems to be endemic.
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@ Steve
It is not about other ways to have a cracked souls. It is about White racist individuals that do have cracked souls. It about the characteristics of a white racist individual from stand points of blacks and whites (not all blacks in room) individuals that have encountered white racist and their racism.
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Steve,
You said, “btw is it not also a little ridiculous to write about black people as if they are one person and white people as if they are one person?”
Here’s the overview: Whites view black people as one entity particularly when it comes to crime and violence. Black people who engaged in bad behavior are representatives to the entire group. Therefore, being black is the same as being violent and criminal in the minds of many whites.
And this society in one way or another is obsessed with what is known as the ‘criminal black man’ image. White racists and so-called race realists are highly obsessed. If you doubt me, take a look around the web. Check out news articles. Go to youtube.com. It’s everywhere.
However, no one, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE must judge whites the same way UNLESS you’re talking about their endless list of accomplishments and achievements. Then, AND ONLY THEN, are they to be seen as a race of supreme human beings.
See the double standard? If not, you are completely lost.
Then you mentioned, “He made a clear statement. WHITES have a deep crack in THEIR souls. THEIR history show that there is something seriously wrong with THEM. That is definitely a general statement about white people, not certain white people. I don’t see what difference context makes to that statement. Sorry if I am not subtle enough to understand it properly.”
You see whenever white people make similar or more derogatory statements – and they have – they usually mean most or all black people. In their minds there are no good black people unless they serve them or if they are dead.
Basically Steve, this is a case of do unto others as they have done unto you. In other words if white people talk about black people as they do, why can’t the reverse be expected and understood?
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^^^ Right. Genocide or slavery? Everyone does it. Inventions? Only the white ones matter and prove that whites are a cut above everyone else.
White racism is like that in general: notice the good that whites do and the bad that blacks do while overlooking the bad that whites do and the good that blacks do. Throw in confirmation bias and there you go!
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@ Steve
To put you out of your misery, I think MOST White Americans are racist and to the degree that they are racist, they are damaged.
I ALSO think blacks are damaged too by racism, but in a different way: externally through racist police, courts, employers, landlords, estate agents, etc, and internally through believing what white racism says about blacks and all the side effects of that, like self-destructive behaviour.
For whites to get where they are they needed to dehumanize black and native Americans and, to a lesser degree, Latino and Asian Americans (and in earlier times, Irish, Jewish and Italian Americans). They did not get off clean. They could not go through that without having a damaged sense of THEIR OWN humanity. In fact, the damage is more profound because that is where it started. The crack in their soul.
Suggested reading:
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@ abag To put you out of your misery, I think MOST White Americans are racist and to the degree that they are racist, they are damaged.
And yet most interracial crime is committed by blacks.
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@ Duck
How does that have anything to do with what I just said? I mean, other than as a classic white racist derailment. Is that the best you can do?
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Agree that that statement is a pure derailment, and has nothing to do with the point you were trying to make.
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@ abag “How does that have anything to do with what I just said? I mean, other than as a classic white racist derailment. Is that the best you can do?”
It has everything to do with what you said. The black propensity for violent interracial crime demonstrates black racism. But you can hide behind calling it a “white racist derailment” if you like.
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“White racism is like that in general: notice the good that whites do and the bad that blacks do while overlooking the bad that whites do and the good that blacks do. Throw in confirmation bias and there you go!”
Yup. And when black accomplishments cannot be ignored they’re “deracialized”. For example, we all know about black crime but Jazz is AMERICAN as are the sprinting accomplishments on the track. There was a youtube video with an African musician (Ali Farka Toure, I think) who was talking with an African-American about the African influence in Blues music. In trots someone who starts to say in the comments that he is a racist because everyone is an INDIVIDUAL! At the time, I was floored by the ignorance. It is OK to explain white Amercan culture with pilgrims and European immigrants but an African talking about cultural links to black America is being racist!
The white supremacist attitude towards POC is appropriative and vampiric. Nothing must remain with their victims: no dignity, no history, no accomplishments. Suck the blood, digest it, and leave a corpse into which to excrete fears and hatreds. So be worked for centuries and get called lazy. Get raped by white slave masters but the men of your race are sexually predatory brutes. Get almost wiped off a continent by visitors but they’re not savage you are. African art is primitive; mimic it via cubism. Pigmented skin is ugly; spray on tans. Thick lips are ugly; get collagen injections. Appropriative and vampiric. Extractive and destructive. Parasitic.
Note that I’m not here making an argument against cultural exchange. That is not what occurs here. Possessions (cultural or material) are depicted as valueless when held by POCs but they are subsequently taken and reworked by white people and declared valuable. Furthermore, after perpetrating injustices against POC white racism confers nobility on itself and villainy on the victims. This demonization is necessary since POC must be made to retroactively “deserve” the crimes committed against them. Here’s a modern microcosm of a modus operandus spanning both centuries of time and continental geography: George Zimmerman and his police accomplices versus Trayvon Martin, the skittles-shooting “thug”.
So I agree with quite a few of your points here. Being white (not having fair skin or having European ancestors, but being “white”) is almost like being a member of a cult. “White is right”. To come out, one has to accept that they once believed falsehoods and risk ostracism from former members. The term “white lies”, meaning diplomatically expedient unthruths, is surprisingly appropriate in both meaning and imagery. I guess sometimes the truth will out!
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“black propensity for violent interracial crime”
LMAO, I’m going to go back to do some other work now. 😛
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lol@Jefe
Thick, thick, thick irony.
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duck,
I am seriously considering going back to calling you ‘goofs’ because you’re getting more and more goofier by each response.
You mentioned the same old tired line mentioned thousands of times by other white posters and trolls that most interracial crime is committed by blacks. When Abagond questioned it’s validity to this post you replied,
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that you made that comment to excuse white people hating and fearing black people which answers the title question. In other words if black people didn’t create so much crime and violence against whites, then whites would not hate and fear them so much.
*Sighs!*
As usual, the historical and societal contexts are completely left out to support your thinking, duck. In your mind white people have done absolutely nothing wrong to black people or any non-white ever or so it would seem from your constant need to make people of color out to be dysfunctional villains against the “innocent white man” when they talk about white people whom you seem to love do darn much.
I also noticed that you conclude that the problems PoC and poor people face is their own fault. Yet, you barely explained why that is so.
One more thing, you constantly focus on ‘black racism’, but almost all of your comments regarding black people are basically racist.
Let’s get 10 things straight once and for all so you can move on to something else you don’t like:
1. Yes, most of us think most or all white people are racist.
2. Yes, some of us believe blacks are racist as well, but in a different way.
3. White racism is the major cause for the problems PoC in America and around the world face.
4. The white group (race) is not blameless.
5. We black group (race) is not to blame for most or everything wrong with society.
6. You protect white people on this blog.
7. You think poorly of black people.
8. You hate it when blacks talk about whites in a negative way, and yet, you come and listen or read their comments on your own free will.
9. Talking about blacks in a negative way is the way to go because to you, it’s true. And what you think is all that matters.
10. You are seriously deluded.
The end.
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@ brothawolf
“Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.”
Just saying…
http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html
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Black crime statistics are OFF TOPIC here. It is not just a derailment, it has been done to death elsewhere. (By the way, Birdie’s numbers come American Renaissance which even the Republican mainstream thinks is too racist).
If you want to continue talking about it, please go to the Broken Records Dept to find the appropriate thread.
On the other hand, talking about HOW black crime leads to white hatred or demonization or whatever of blacks is certainly on topic.
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@ Duck
This thread is about white racism, not black racism.
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@ bro
“You mentioned the same old tired line mentioned thousands of times by other white posters and trolls that most interracial crime is committed by blacks.”
Maybe so. But the evidence still supports it. Only some people can’t deal with it so they call it a “broken record” and create rhetorical arguments to hide behind, instead.
In other words if black people didn’t create so much crime and violence against whites, then whites would not hate and fear them so much.
I have no idea whether “whites” hate and fear blacks or not. However, it’s interesting that you complain about others viewing blacks as a single, monolithic entity when that’s all I see from you. But for the sake of argument, let’s assume you’re right. Wouldn’t that suggest the solution would be for blacks to stop committing so much violent interracial crime?
But, wait. You don’t see violent, interracial crime as a problem do you? Indeed, you bring up “historical and societal contexts” as as an excuse to justify those violent, interracial crimes. You only care that blacks might be thought poorly of as a result of that violent interracial crime.
“Let’s get 10 things straight once and for all”
Well, I guess you told me! 🙂 I’m always amazed at the tendency of those here to make a list and claim its true with no evidence or reason other than “Cuz I said so!” Then again — that kind of does go along with your native religion ie. voodoo. I wouldn’t be surprised if you thought sticking pins in a doll and muttering some mumbo jumbo makes something true, too.
Friend of yours?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS1AVpYLzAE)
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Birdie,
We’ve heard it all before plenty of times. Your attempt to recycle the same stats doesn’t make it true or relevant to the topic. Your failure to comprehend that proves your intellectual shortcomings.
Like duck and all other color-aroused haters to come and go, you want something to give you a reason to hate and/or fear black people and think very less of them so you won’t have to feel guilty and confused about having those feelings.
This topic is about white racism. Get that through your head. It’s not that hard to understand.
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@ abag
It looks like abag has a new blog policy — any comments he doesn’t like are “off topic”. LOL!
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duck, I knew you’d nitpick certain parts from my response. That’s typical of you. But since you attempt to hold on to interracial crime (black-on-white) even though this post has nothing to do with it, I will respond as it relates to this post.
You said,
Are you serious?!? You really don’t know if whites hate or fear blacks? You can’t really be that lost in the dark.
I’ve met and seen many whites who have expressed their disdain and anxieties about blacks personally, by word-of-mouth, and through broadcasts. Were you born yesterday or something?
Let me ask you this simple question: Let’s assume that you’re right. Why do you think there is interracial crime involving blacks against whites? Why do you think blacks would target whites?
I do see interracial crime as a problem, but not the way you see it.
Most crimes are committed by whites against blacks, and most of them are for reasons involving hate. Black-on-white on the other hand is mostly about opportunity. Many of the black perpetrators who do commit those crimes would or have committed crimes against other blacks. The white victims weren’t targeted for revenge or black supremacy, they were targeted because they had something the criminals want just like black victims.
I’m also concerned with black-on-white crime because most black suspects are given harsher punishments for their crimes since the victim is white especially if the judge, prosecutor, and jury are all white. If it involves murder, you can best believe that they will try to give the criminal the death penalty. But if it’s the other way around, the chances for getting the death penalty decrease. The same goes for “black-on-black” murder as well.
The emphasis here is that white lives are deemed more valuable than black lives. It has been this way for generations. If you want proof, look it up yourself. It’s been documented for years. I assume you are capable of researching it yourself. I don’t have to do it for you. In any case this is one example of how whites look down on black people.
As for your last statement which reads:
There is evidence to prove our case. You just refuse to accept it or are too lazy to look it up yourself. That’s all I will say about this because your last statement is enough to insult yourself.
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And duck,
This is abagond’s blog. So he has the right to delete any and all comments that are not relevant to the topic or are offensive to others. If he has deleted yours and you don’t know why, you are a sad case.
The bottom line is that whites do demonize, fear and hate blacks for the simple underlying reason that they are not white. I know that sounds simple, but it’s not. It’s complicated to even understand that which is highly illogical.
If you can’t take the fact that white people have a problem with black people for no good reason, that’s your problem.
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@ Duck
I am generally pretty freewheeling about threads – I like to keep them loose to see what comes up. But this black crime statistics argument we have heard a zillion times before – it truly is a broken record – and it has nothing to do with this post. Or if it does neither you nor Birdie have made it clear how.
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“What evidence? From where? “
The alleged reason for abag making crime statistics a “broken record” was that they’d been presented so many times that everyone knew it already. And you’re going to ask what the evidence is? LOL!
“Are you serious?!? You really don’t know if whites hate or fear blacks? You can’t really be that lost in the dark.”
I was shot twice and I don’t. So I don’t know why they would. Personally, I think blacks have a tendency to overestimate themselves and their abilities. Psychologists have confirmed this.
“Most crimes are committed by whites against blacks, and most of them are for reasons involving hate. Black-on-white on the other hand is mostly about opportunity.”
Cuz you say so! Right? 🙂
I’m also concerned with black-on-white crime because most black suspects are given harsher punishments for their crimes since the victim is white especially if the judge, prosecutor, and jury are all white. If it involves murder, you can best believe that they will try to give the criminal the death penalty. But if it’s the other way around, the chances for getting the death penalty decrease. The same goes for “black-on-black” murder as well. “
I’ve looked into it and that’s not entirely true. White juries give EVERYONE harsher sentences than black juries. There are more blacks on death row than whites because blacks commit more murders. But white murderers are actually MORE likely to get the death penalty than black murderers. The reason is that most whites commit murders in areas where the juries will be mostly white and give them the death penalty. Whereas most black murderers commit murders where the jury will be mostly black and won’t. Plus, there is the issue of blacks refusing to convict guilty blacks when the victim is white.
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@ abag “But this black crime statistics argument we have heard a zillion times before – it truly is a broken record “
Maybe so. But that’s mainly because you and others refuse to acknowledge it. You simply say, “Nope. Statistics are racist. Cuz I said so!” And then you call it a “broken record” so you don’t have to deal with it anymore.
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How about plain ignorance about other cultures and the complacency and disinterest (laziness?) to do something about it? That’s at least what I have experienced as the main issue in Europe among white people who look down on people of colour.
Now a factor I see with white Americans that weighs in considerably is money and a certain arrogance around it. Many Americans still believe that money can buy them everything, even respect. They can’t directly buy humans anymore but they still seem to expect someone they pay to dance after their pipe. Or put it this way: “I pay you so I don’t have to respect you”.
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duck,
I wanted YOU to produce some evidence to back up your statement, but surprise, surprise! You didn’t.
To said, “I was shot twice and I don’t. So I don’t know why they would. Personally, I think blacks have a tendency to overestimate themselves and their abilities. Psychologists have confirmed this.”
What do you being shot twice have to do with this? What do blacks supposed tendency to overestimate themselves have to do with this?
I don’t know why whites would hate and fear blacks either. I’m not sure they know themselves without including the words “more crimes” in their statements.
And this:
“I’ve looked into it and that’s not entirely true. White juries give EVERYONE harsher sentences than black juries. There are more blacks on death row than whites because blacks commit more murders. But white murderers are actually MORE likely to get the death penalty than black murderers. The reason is that most whites commit murders in areas where the juries will be mostly white and give them the death penalty. Whereas most black murderers commit murders where the jury will be mostly black and won’t. Plus, there is the issue of blacks refusing to convict guilty blacks when the victim is white.”
There you go again, starting off by defending whites. Anyway, you want information that supports evidence about racism in the death penalty, here you go:
Click to access FactSheet.pdf
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-penalty-black-and-white-who-lives-who-dies-who-decides#Executive Summary
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-and-race
http://www.aclu.org/capital-punishment/race-and-death-penalty
http://www.counterpunch.org/2001/12/10/death-penalty-and-race/
http://www.eji.org/eji/deathpenalty/racialbias
Click to access Ogletree%20Article%20(Race%20and%20DP).pdf
Those links point to one of the darkest realities of how much white lives are valued over black lives.
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duck,
You said, “Maybe so. But that’s mainly because you and others refuse to acknowledge it. You simply say, “Nope. Statistics are racist. Cuz I said so!” And then you call it a “broken record” so you don’t have to deal with it anymore.”
So, are we supposed to take what is supposedly said about blacks through numbers and just accept it without question huh? We are supposed to be “obedient” and just take such statements in no questions asked, huh? And we’re supposed to agree with what you say, but what we said is wrong in some way shape or form according to you, huh?
You are way to immature to have a descent argument with if you think we’re just going to simply agree with this black crime campaign you and others like you are so hooked on.
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Brothawolf , great to see that you are willing to back up what you say with links…..Duckgoofs seems to be all off the top of his head…
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@ bro “I wanted YOU to produce some evidence to back up your statement, but surprise, surprise! You didn’t.”
Pardon me for having not provided sources at 3 am. Perhaps I should have vomited up a list like you did?
But here’s the problem with your list — it’s an informal fallacy known as “shotgun argumentation”. That means your claims and evidence may or may not be true. But your intention was to provide so many sources that it’s not possible to respond to them all. It’s like listing 10 book titles and saying, “See. That’s my argument. Now prove me wrong.”
I did, however, go through the first link and it is COMPLETELY CONSISTENT with my argument. In fact, your first link actually SUPPORTS my argument. Your second link was a book online. If you have something specific that supports your argument then you need to reference it specifically. But this “read a book” argument is pathetic.
“There you go again, starting off by defending whites.”
Yes, I’m defending whites. Do you have a problem with that? If you weren’t trying to smear them then I wouldn’t be. My recommendation is to reel it in. Lose your malicious motive and only go with arguments that you can support.
You are way to immature to have a descent argument with if you think we’re just going to simply agree with this black crime campaign you and others like you are so hooked on.
Whoa! I should frame that. Because you just basically just admitted that facts have nothing to do with it.
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The post I made which started “btw is it not also a little ridiculous to write about black people as if they are one person and white people as if they are one person?”, I regret writing this post now. I have not read the responses yet but afterwards I realized that I was missing the point. As I now understand it, he was saying there is nothing wrong with black people as a group. They are not more predisposed to crime, violence and impulsive behaviour as racists say. There are bad black people but they are not bad because they are black.
Sorry about that. I make a comment about my prior post next.
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@ abagond
The earlier statement does qualify the later statements as referring to white ‘Americans’. However, given the wording of the later statement, I think you must be referring to most or all of them. I can just about read it as most so I will leave it at that. Thanks for clarifying that you were referring to most, or at least thing it about most.
I will read your links. I’ve read a lot of things on the internet about black crime and IQ and stuff like that. I would like those things not to be true so that we can all live together, so the situation of black people can be improved, and for the sake of humanity as a whole. So I have explored those contentions about black crime and violence and low IQ in order to try to disprove them. This also allows me to expose and challenge my own racism and overcome it, in order to be a better person.
That’s pretty much my motivation. Plus when I was younger Muhammad Ali was my hero so I read a lot about the civil rights movement through that.
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“Right. Genocide or slavery? Everyone does it. Inventions? Only the white ones matter and prove that whites are a cut above everyone else.”
Not my mentality.
On another blog recently, somebody was arguing that Asian people are intelligent but lack creativity and therefore can’t invent stuff or make breakthroughs in physics. I linked them to the Wikipedia article ‘list of Chinese inventions’. They got pwned.
You can make an excellent case that in the 15th century Beijing was the centre of the most advanced civilisation on earth and London was primitive and dirty by comparison.
Watch the first episode of Niall Ferguson’s ‘Civilisation: is the west history?’ for more info.
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Here’s a statistic that bigot Whites and their mulatto lapdogs may not like (since they are so fond of using statistics). If you add up the amount of actual inventors in America and Europe and compare it to the populace; much less than 1% of all Whites invent anything of worth. I really don’t see how that proves Whites are inherently technologically superior, when over 99% don’t create anything of value in their lifetimes.
It’s the very small minority which drives society as a whole; any society. If you are White and haven’t done anything in your life, you really have no business talking about inventions and sticking out your chest with inflated pride. You’re riding other people’s coat tails! Your self-worth is based on someone else’s deeds. Have some self respect! You too mulattoes!
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Isn’t generalization the root of the theory of races ? Some people need to reflect on that.
Other that, your reflections (original post) are quite on point. Just don’t forget that not all (though very many) light-skinned people are “white”. Whiteness is a state of mind, a pathological one, that not every other light-skinned person shares. Hence my problem with the “they”, the generalizing pronoun, the same the racist theoretician inaugurated some centuries ago.
As of the first comment, “black envy”, I doubt it very very much ! Racists/white supremacist really BELIEVE in whiteness. Like all other beliefs, it doesn’t react to rational arguments. That is where part of the problem stands.
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@ Someguy
1 I’m familiar with smart fraction theory. And as a member of the smart fraction I can tell you that productivity depends as much on a population’s average intelligence as its smart fraction. And since you bring the average down… NO SOUP FOR YOU! hahah
2 Do I sound like a guy whose short on self respect?
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@ Duck
I am really shocked that you of all people have turned to rambling like a buffoon.
You know full well I don’t take to statistics no matter what the situation. So it truly doesn’t matter if they are racist or not, but I guess to you because I am black that must be my reason now.
“I was shot twice and I don’t. So I don’t know why they would. Personally, I think blacks have a tendency to overestimate themselves and their abilities. Psychologists have confirmed this.”—You think because you were shot by a black person that means whites do not hate blacks???? Are you really that stupid??? On another note I don’t need a psychologist to tell me my abilities. I am fully aware of them. Sad that you need one to reaffirm you delusional superiority.
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@ Duck
“2 Do I sound like a guy whose short on self respect?”
Lately you have been and that is in no way meant to be funny.
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@ Steve
I saw that you were trying to understand so I tried to explain the best I could. Now if you were like any of the other trolls then maybe I would be less kind. LOL.
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@ Birdie
You are always just saying and always magicly keep just trying to side track. You brought up black muslims and your ignorance in regards to that. Can you try to remotely address what you orginally came in here to do and stop trying to get out of the fact that you have been wrong several times over on several different things.
Also if you are going to do statistics (pathetic how people hold on to papers with numbers) then atleast try to use something that is not in 2005.
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@ Cornlia
Very interesting take.
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duck
You wanted information to back up my argument about the Death Penalty. I gave them to you. Yet, you replied:
“Pardon me for having not provided sources at 3 am. Perhaps I should have vomited up a list like you did?”
At the very least I did more than you have EVER done with your comments. Those links help support the existence of racism in the death penalty which coincides with this topic way more than your petty interracial crime argument.
I’ll be back.
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@ duck
1) I bring the average down? I graduated Summa Cum Laude, junior. Is that all you’ve got? Ha!
2) Who said I was addressing you? I don’t know if you’re short on self-respect, but you are sure as heck not short on ego.
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I’m back. A thunderstorm came through and I don’t want to risk my computer getting a power surge.
Anyway duck,
Maybe those links was a cheap shot to you, but then again, whenever those with the white racist mindset ask for proof or information that supports arguments against them, they still reject it hands down without even the tiniest consideration. So, what’s the point?
And here is some info that supports MY argument that you overlooked (on purpose):
• In Louisiana, the odds of a death sentence were 97%
higher for those whose victim was white than for those
whose victim was black. (Pierce & Radelet, Louisiana
Law Review, 2011).
• A study in California found that those who killed whites
where over 3 times more likely to be sentenced to death
than those who killed blacks and over 4 times more likely
than those who killed Latinos. (Pierce & Radelet, Santa
Clara Law Review, 2005).
• A comprehensive study of the death penalty in North
Carolina found that the odds of receiving a death sentence rose by 3.5 times among those defendants whose
victims where white. (Prof. Jack Boger and Dr. Isaac Unah, University of North Carolina, 2001).
• In 96% of states where there have been reviews of race and the death penalty, there was a pattern of either
race-of-victim or race-of-defendant discrimination, or both. (Prof. Baldus report to the ABA, 1998).
• 98% of the chief district attorneys in death penalty states are white; only 1% are black. (Prof. Jeffrey
Pokorak, Cornell Law Review, 1998).
How does that support your argument that:
” White juries give EVERYONE harsher sentences than black juries. There are more blacks on death row than whites because blacks commit more murders. But white murderers are actually MORE likely to get the death penalty than black murderers. The reason is that most whites commit murders in areas where the juries will be mostly white and give them the death penalty. Whereas most black murderers commit murders where the jury will be mostly black and won’t. Plus, there is the issue of blacks refusing to convict guilty blacks when the victim is white.”
No where in your statement mentions anything about juries or murder demographics anywhere in this list of findings.
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duck (continued),
You said, “Yes, I’m defending whites. Do you have a problem with that? If you weren’t trying to smear them then I wouldn’t be. My recommendation is to reel it in. Lose your malicious motive and only go with arguments that you can support.”
And we are defending blacks. You seem to have a HUGE problem with that since you’re here. If white people get to smear blacks with negative stereotypes, statistics, and myths of black inferiority, why can’t black people defend themselves and turn the tables? Are we supposed to sit back and let them do that to us? Hell no! We know who we are better than they OR YOU ever know, and we are sick and tired of being scapegoated by people, such as yourself, that are part of the problem.
And you are DEFINITELY part of the problem. You can’t stand it if anyone criticizes white people in how they think, behave, or whatever. White people are not blameless just like black people and poor people are not to blame for all of the problems of this society. In fact you are a willing example of this very post!
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Brothawolf…
So what the racial composition of the jury in these cases…? Is that data available…? Multiple surveys indicate that Whites support the death penalty at a much higher rate than Blacks. In cases where there is a Black murder victim I would guess that there would be several Black jurors and often death penalty cases require a unanimous vote.
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To Brothawolf:
If white people get to smear blacks with negative stereotypes, statistics, and myths of black inferiority, why can’t black people defend themselves and turn the tables?
Because two wrongs don’t make a right..? It’s fair to criticize White posters who make broad negative assumptions and statements about Blacks but then Abagond and many of the posters here turn around and do the same thing towards Whites. The logic behind most of these types of comments, coming from either group, tends to be rather weak.
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To Bulanik
That means, Brothawolf, you are wrong, and an “illogical” for thinking blacks ought to defend themselves.
I reiterate: “It’s fair to criticize White posters who make broad negative assumptions and statements about Blacks”
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@Uncle Milton
It’s fair to criticize White posters who make broad negative assumptions and statements about Blacks
Ok…
but then Abagond and many of the posters here turn around and do the same thing towards Whites.
Teach us more about your ‘logic’ Milton. Enlighten us or better yet, lead by example.
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Im not quite sure how to understand why some people dont get that things are not on an even steven basis for white people and people of color. In the face of all the information talked about on the blog, pretty blatent facts about discrimination , racism, obsticles always being thrown in the way , police profiling, some people act as though everthing is equal and no one should feel put upon , angry or the need to defend themselves from unfair issues on the table
And, I dont see anything wrong with recognising the source of unfair discrimination and obstacles and pure racism,is white people and how they created and dealt with these issues of slavery and race and post slavery and the history that all leads up to where we are at today
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Uncle Milton,
You said, “So what the racial composition of the jury in these cases…? Is that data available…? Multiple surveys indicate that Whites support the death penalty at a much higher rate than Blacks. In cases where there is a Black murder victim I would guess that there would be several Black jurors and often death penalty cases require a unanimous vote.”
In some cases all white juries are used in such cases. It was true in the past, and it still holds true in some cases today. It’s not always true in every case, but this kind of practice still goes on.
Then you said,
“Because two wrongs don’t make a right..? It’s fair to criticize White posters who make broad negative assumptions and statements about Blacks but then Abagond and many of the posters here turn around and do the same thing towards Whites. The logic behind most of these types of comments, coming from either group, tends to be rather weak.”
Why is it wrong to defend ourselves and point out the problems with people with the clear case of the white racist mindset (WRM)? Are we supposed to just sit back and let this crap continue without a strong and sound defense? No!
The bottom line is that if white people don’t want to be “attacked” as some people think it is, then they damn well better look at themselves in a honest mirror and correct their faults which include having a problem with black people because they are black. End of story.
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Bulanik and B. R.,
Thank you!
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@ brothawolf:
As always, you said it better than I ever could.
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@Bulanik
I have a feeling we are going to see a nugget or 2 that has been squirreled away on this blogsite by Uncle Milton for just this occasion!!
Perhaps there’s a nugget buried somewhere about how smart at maths Nigerian kids can be or some such, to display that he is one step ahead …..LOL
I cant wait 😉
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Thanks Leigh.
Demerera and Bulanik,
I think it’s delusional to think that to question whites is wrong in some way or to have a critical examination into their mentality and behavior is somehow racist. Yet, to do the same to black people is okay, and we shouldn’t counter that at all?
Do these people think we should be subservient to them, silent and appreciate that?
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To Brothawolf:
Why is it wrong to defend ourselves and point out the problems with people with the clear case of the white racist mindset (WRM)?
You and Abagond and other posters are of course free to construct a debate however you so choose… and Abagond has clearly stated that this blog is not structured for White people. I have zero problems with you or anyone criticizing people like Bliff or Jay from Philly who came here and made sweeping negative statements about Blacks. (And offered my own rebuttal to Bliff on a few occasions..) But Abagond and others have turned around and basically done the same thing towards White people, it’s a human reaction but in my opinion an ineffective style of argument when you are not preaching to the choir.
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Uncle Milton,
But aren’t there a considerable number of whites who have the WRM? As such, wouldn’t it be safe to conclude that they have a problem with black people as shown in every facet of society since this is a white dominated nation? And shouldn’t black people have the right to question their morals, integrity, and intelligence that puts black people down on lower levels? Are we really going to allow this to continue without so much as an objection?
This is the reality. We live in an eye-for-an-eye world. If white people think they have the right to put us down and get defensive when the script is flipped, that same right should be available to people of color as well. And white people should come off their high horse and stop thinking they’re blameless of darn-near anything and everything wrong with race relations. They are no better than the rest of us, especially black people. It is their false since of supremacy that created that “better than human” image.
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@ Uncle Milton
I can’t argue with that. That’s why I personally try to phrase my own statements with the term “White bigot” to differentiate between White people as a whole and biased individuals.
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To Brothawolf:
In my previous post I said:
” I have zero problems with you or anyone criticizing people like Bliff or Jay from Philly who came here and made sweeping negative statements about Blacks.”
Here’s one of my own towards Jay from Philly:
“Jay from Philly mentioned the “no snitching” attitude however the US Department of Justice surveys indicate Blacks actually report crime at a slightly higher rate than Whites, which FWIW jibes with my experience with Black people that I worked with in an informal neighborhood watch.”
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@ Uncle Milton
Crime statistics are off topic here.
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You know I just registered for more classes at my college and my advisor was black this time. He was really cool and we had a few really good laughs. Most of all he helped me so much cause I had a lot of questions. At the end he was like: ” Girl, you have a full-time job and you got three As and a B your last semester. God bless you!” Now all I’m thinking is why all the black people can’t be like that? You, guys, have no idea when you say: “You only know a few who are your boyfriend’s friends and blah blah blah…” No. I work as a bartender in NYC. i meet all kinds of different people and so many of them. When you work as a bartender you see how people act, you hear what they are talking about, you feel their personality. I meet so many “gangstas” amongst the black guys it’s not even funny. I have to put up with the most disrespect from this type of people, listen to their foul language and, needless to say, NONE of them tip but make sure to give you the hardest time about food and drinks quality. They will seriously run you to death and bitch about everything.! EVERYTHING! Then at the end won’t tip you a dollar or maybe something like $2 on a $60 check. I’m sorry, but it just doesn’t happen with white people ever, never. So can you explain to me why does that happen?
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To abagond:
@ Uncle Milton
Crime statistics are off topic here.
Yes they are… however, I was responding to Bulanik. I was offering a rebuttal to the HBD notion that crime has a genetic basis, where would you suggest I place that post..? And may I link that post as a response to Bulanik below?
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To Someguy:
That’s why I personally try to phrase my own statements with the term “White bigot” to differentiate between White people as a whole and biased individuals.
And when it comes down to the real world.. in the work place, school etc..In my opinion that will generally be a more effective approach.
To Brothawolf:
But aren’t there a considerable number of whites who have the WRM?
I would suggest there is a wide gradient. I don’t know how white people act around other whites in the Carolinas but in California most whites will shun any person that says “I hate or fear Blacks”. That does not mean that they are not racist themselves but such overt behavior is rarely tolerated here.
that same right should be available to people of color as well…
I can’t stop you, Abagond, or any else from “flipping the script..” ,but what’s the endgame for you outside of a few blogs or a discussion boards..?
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Bulanik:
No, Uncle Milton. My comment was not ABOUT crime stats, was it, now?
Um you weren’t…? Here’s what you said:
“Damn. I recall that Uncle Milton practically blew a fuse when we were discussing the white propensity for violent crime and I drew in European crime stats for comparison purposes….and guess what?
Briefly I think you confused me with Bliff…. we can continue this discussion on a thread of Abagond’s choosing.
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@ Birdie
Honey you are not the first to get an A and have a full time job. Been there, Done that, had two kids while doing it and still managed to graduate with honors.
Put you big girl undies on and address me if you want to address me. You came in here like a racist ignorant child and you are still a racist ignorant child as far as I can see. So the f**ck what you work in a bar. You fail to get the key point in your own stupidity. You can only say what blacks are like based on what you see in your own area. You can not attest for all blacks or the majority of blacks for that matter as I have stated to you so many times. What part of that does your small mind not grasp?
You want to come in and say what all blacks are like and you have no idea. First you claim they were all trying to be Muslims now you want to claim they are a majority gangsta. You are making up so much crap you don’t know what lie you want to push off to the masses.
Yes, there are bad blacks that are gangsta, but they are not the majority and the bad should not speak for the good. Just because you listen to someone’s conversation does not mean you know them either. You can catch a brief part of someone’s conversation and quickly conclude you know everything about them? What are you smoking??? I don’t judge a person based on a 5 sec conversation I might have heard over a room full of people and music. Sorry if I am not as ignorant as you.
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Uncle Milton,
You said, “I would suggest there is a wide gradient. I don’t know how white people act around other whites in the Carolinas but in California most whites will shun any person that says “I hate or fear Blacks”. That does not mean that they are not racist themselves but such overt behavior is rarely tolerated here.”
That’s the thing. Most whites definition of racism is about individual and personal hatred of blacks in the form of Neo-nazis, cross burnings, and racial epithets. They don’t know or don’t CHOOSE to know that racism is also systematic. And they sure don’t realize how harmful racism is to THEMSELVES.
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@ Birdie
I am also sure that if that professor saw some of the ignorance you displayed on this board he would be less likely to take you as a serious person and I am sure you were all but too quick to kiss azz.
“I’m sorry, but it just doesn’t happen with white people ever, never. So can you explain to me why does that happen?”—This is just you being ignorant. If a person does not tip then skin color does not even matter. I have seen white people in restaurants not only not tip but smear food on the tables for waitresses to clean up and laugh on the way out. If you did not get a high tip then honey that means your service was crap and based on the things you say in here about blacks it would not surprise me, so the fact that they cared to give you $2 would amaze me.
When my husband and I tip (yes blacks tip) we always do it based on the service we get. If we have constant instances of crappy service then the tip drops. If the service is good then it goes up from the 15%. Good service is not just doing what we ask, but the attitude in which you do it.
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Birdie, let me examine your comment to see if I’m understanding you.
You said, “You know I just registered for more classes at my college and my advisor was black this time. He was really cool and we had a few really good laughs. Most of all he helped me so much cause I had a lot of questions. At the end he was like: ” Girl, you have a full-time job and you got three As and a B your last semester. God bless you!” Now all I’m thinking is why all the black people can’t be like that?
First of all, can’t be like what? Like you? Like white people? Are you saying that black people in general are nothing like your advisor?
“You, guys, have no idea when you say: “You only know a few who are your boyfriend’s friends and blah blah blah…” No. I work as a bartender in NYC. i meet all kinds of different people and so many of them. When you work as a bartender you see how people act, you hear what they are talking about, you feel their personality. I meet so many “gangstas” amongst the black guys it’s not even funny. I have to put up with the most disrespect from this type of people, listen to their foul language and, needless to say, NONE of them tip but make sure to give you the hardest time about food and drinks quality. They will seriously run you to death and bitch about everything.! EVERYTHING!”
So, the black people you meet at your job must represent most or all black people in the whole nation huh? Many gangstas are black guys. So, many black guys are gangstas, right?
And they are disrespectful for no reason, huh? Black people in general curse, don’t tip, give you a hard time, and whine about everything.
Well, are they treated like human beings with the same respect as you would want to be treated yourself? Do you see them as people and not as black people?
Finally, you said “Then at the end won’t tip you a dollar or maybe something like $2 on a $60 check. I’m sorry, but it just doesn’t happen with white people ever, never. So can you explain to me why does that happen?”
Let me see. Are they treated well? Are they given first-class customer service? Do you talk to them with respect and not talk down to them? In short do you treat them as people? Do people at your job treat them as people?
You may be working in the wong place. Perhaps, you need to work at a place where there is nothing but white people so you won’t have to be bothered by us foul-mouthed, no tipping, disrepsectful, whining, blacks and us black male gangstas.
Answer me these questions (yes’s and no’s are preferred even though I have a feeling that is asking WAAAAAAY too much for you), and answer them with honesty unless you feel the need to lie or fudge the truth in order to make yourself appear right.
Oh, one more thing, just because white people tend to tip more doesn’t mean they are better customers than anyone else.
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Oh, Sharina, Pleeease 🙂 I kinda expected some kind of an answer as : “It’s because you don’t provide good service!” LIAR! Just stop lying and look at the facts. Black people don’t like to tip. I would say 60% of blacks don’t tip doesn’t matter what kind of service you provide.
A few weeks ago I had this black kid who was asking me all about the specials and prices and “what should i get”. I’m like: “Dude, honestly if you want the best deal you should get a LIT” I make it for him and he’s all like:”Thank you so much! You’re the best bartender!” Walks away, didn’t tip me a dollar.Did you just tell me I was the best bartender? Really? Just wasted 10 min of my time asking about: “How much is Patron? How much is Ciroc? Blah blah blah…” That happens ALL THE TIME with black people. Not all of them but 60-70% are like that. “Can I get some ranch dressing” ” This wings have no flavor, can I get smthng else instead?” The bitchiest most annoying customers ever! I shall really see no difference. Peleeeaase!
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@ Sharina
“Honey you are not the first to get an A and have a full time job. Been there, Done that, had two kids while doing it and still managed to graduate with honors.
Put you big girl undies on and address me if you want to address me. You came in here like a racist ignorant child and you are still a racist ignorant child as far as I can see. So the f**ck what you work in a bar. You fail to get the key point in your own stupidity. You can only say what blacks are like based on what you see in your own area. You can not attest for all blacks or the majority of blacks for that matter as I have stated to you so many times. What part of that does your small mind not grasp?
You want to come in and say what all blacks are like and you have no idea. First you claim they were all trying to be Muslims now you want to claim they are a majority gangsta. You are making up so much crap you don’t know what lie you want to push off to the masses.
Yes, there are bad blacks that are gangsta, but they are not the majority and the bad should not speak for the good. Just because you listen to someone’s conversation does not mean you know them either. You can catch a brief part of someone’s conversation and quickly conclude you know everything about them? What are you smoking??? I don’t judge a person based on a 5 sec conversation I might have heard over a room full of people and music. Sorry if I am not as ignorant as you.”
Sharina, good for you, girl! I was absolutely not bragging by saying that I’m a good student=it’s the way you want to twist it. I hope it makes you feel better about yourself.
Your silly name-calling really doesn’t do much for me. If you want to defend your opinion on more intellectual premises than you should rethink your style of posting. Good luck! I’m sure, you are by far more intelligent individual unlike me 😀
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Birdie is not actually looking for answers. She’s a one trick pony: asking that Blacks justify or ‘explain’ what she sees as aberrant Black behavior is her way of putting Blacks on blast. She is getting across her negative thoughts about Blacks by framing them as questions
White racists pull that trick all the time. I’ve noticed that its usally the women who resort to that tactic. If Birdie actually seeks answers to those stupid questions, then why doesn’t she simply ask them of the penny-pinching, boorish “gangstas” who come into her bar (and I would love to be there if she does)? Why doesn’t she ask her blessings-bestowing black professor? I’m a well-mannered diner and a great tipper; why should I be expected to explain the behavior of ill-mannered cheapskates?
Birdie already knows there are people of all races like that (boorish, cheap) in the world, and that certain people (especially very young people), regardless of race, who may think it’s cool to identify themselves as belonging to a specific group, whether they hold to the tenets of that group or not.
If she doesn’t understand these things, then Birdie is a bird brain.
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. “First you claim they were all trying to be Muslims now you want to claim they are a majority gangsta. You are making up so much crap you don’t know what lie you want to push off to the masses.”
Hahaha!!!!! R u serious? Gangstas are the ones who turn into Muslims ( fake gangstas turn into fake Muslims). So as long as you grow some beard and “don’t eat pork” (just bacon) it’s alright to smoke and drink and not pray 4 times a day ( but you are still a Muslim)
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@ Birdie
I was very polite to you until you decided to just plainly make ignorant claims and then follow it up with “It’s just true.” You still can not get from out of your own butt to realize how ignorant you sound. Why should I respect someone who has the comprehension capacity of a cock roach?
“First you claim they were all trying to be Muslims now you want to claim they are a majority gangsta. You are making up so much crap you don’t know what lie you want to push off to the masses.” I see I need to clarify this statement for you. When you first came in you started talking about how all blacks want to be Muslims. Ignoring the actual facts that others gave you on Muslims and changing the subject to avoid admitting how wrong you are. Now you are talking about gangstas and how you claim a majority of blacks are.
I’m sorry but I am a Mormon and I never did anything gangsta, so I guess you are wrong again about what a majority black people are.
Now you claim gangsta’s are the one’s that turn into “fake” Muslims. Are you taking a creative writing course because you are so good at writing stories. Now you want to say Black Muslims are gangstas. I guess I better watch out for the Muslim girl at Old Navy because she is now a gangsta.
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@ Fiamma
Thank you for that. I have not seen anyone use such a tactic and I tend to have a short amount of patience for people who willingly act stupid. She was fitting the bill.
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@ Birdie
“Your silly name-calling really doesn’t do much for me. If you want to defend your opinion on more intellectual premises than you should rethink your style of posting. Good luck! I’m sure, you are by far more intelligent individual unlike me”—-If I wanted to defend my opinion on an intellectual premises that would require I talk to someone else. You can’t even comprehend the basic things I say and your brain would likely explode if I addressed it on a more scholarly level.
Your are making the choice to act unintelligent. I am not making that choice for you.
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@ Birdie
Most of the Blacks on this site bring up relevant issue regarding how Whites interact with Blacks in negative ways. You aren’t even doing the opposite. You’re just nitpicking irrelevant behaviors, which by and large, have no effect on Whites as a whole. Who cares if Blacks want to be Muslims? That has no effect on you. This isn’t a public forum for you to air out your insignificant pet peeves. Stop being so neurotic.
If you don’t like it, you can lump it; take it down the road and dump it.
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Another giveaway to Birdie’s white racist mind-set is when she said something to the effect that all Black people should be like her professor.
She didn’t say ‘all people’ but “all blacks”, as if all non-Blacks are easygoing blessing-givers — which, obviously, is nowhere close to reality. In her world it’s only Black people who need to think, behave etc. in certain ways.
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Why are you looking down on black people, Birdie ? Lots of generalisations and stereotypes…..I just thought you could give us an insight to the title of this thread
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@ B. R.
I am inclined to tell you that your reply was the most informative out of all the answers about “Black” Muslims. In all due respect B.R., my boyfriend was raised in a section 8 neighborhood with nothin’ but black friends so I look down on “fake gangstas” who think it’s cool to carry a gun around and sell drugs. I just don’t get it. For some reason it seems it is okay to call white folks “crackers” and White Men “White Boys” when any small remark towards African Americans is always deemed inappropriate and unlawful. In my experience I have witnessed more racism towards Caucasian people without punishment… but any similar/significant remarks towards minorities is easily substantially prosecuted with prejudice.
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Birdie,
You told Sharina, “…You can only say what blacks are like based on what you see in your own area. You can not attest for all blacks or the majority of blacks for that matter as I have stated to you so many times. What part of that does your small mind not grasp?”
But in your earlier comment, didn’t you say the following?
“…all I’m thinking is why all the black people can’t be like that?”
Weren’t you making a general statement implying that all blacks are not like your college adviser and thus, you wish they are all the same like him like one group with a single mind?
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Birdie,
It seems to me YOU are the one making generalizations based on the black people in YOUR area. I connected the dots within your comment about the black people you were referring to in the bar.
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@ Someguy “I graduated Summa Cum Laude, junior.”
If that’s true then you’re very much the exception aren’t you? Out of curiosity, what field? I’d also be curious to know what uni but I won’t ask because I wouldn’t answer it either.
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@ bro How does that support your argument that:
You need to go back and read my argument again. and again. and AGAIN! Until you finally understand it. Your quotes support my argument BECAUSE they show that someone convicted of murdering a white victim is more likely to get the death penalty than someone who murders a black victim. You see that and say, “Aha! It’s RACISM!” But you’ve never stopped to think about what it means.
Who is more likely to murder white victims and who is more likely to murder black victims? Blacks are more likely to murder blacks and whites are more likely to murder whites. In fact, 94% of blacks are murdered by other blacks and 89% of whites are murdered by other whites. So the person most likely to murder a black victim is ALSO black. If juries are less likely to give someone the death penalty for murdering a black victim that means that a BLACK murderer is usually the one not getting the death penalty.
Who do you think is sitting on the jury? Do you think they’re going down to Alabama to find white guys to sit on juries in Chicago and Detroit? Black juries are the ones who aren’t giving blacks who murder other blacks the death penalty.
You personally demonstrate this with your own comments. On the one hand, you complain that the death penalty discriminates against blacks. While on the other hand, you complain that black lives are valued less because the blacks who murder other blacks aren’t given the death penalty as often. You can’t have it both ways.
Now compare this to whites. According to your own statistic, people convicted of murdering whites are 97% more likely to get the death penalty. That means its probably going to be a white guy who gets the death penalty. Whites aren’t going to the ghetto to murder other whites. So the case is probably going to be tried in a majority white area with a majority white jury. That means its mostly white juries hanging white murderers for murdering white victims. Do you have a problem with that? Yeah, well, if a black guy murders someone white in a white area then the white jury is going to hang his azz, too. Do you have a problem with that one?
White juries are hanging juries. And black juries are weak on crime.
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@Brothawolf
Do these people think we should be subservient to them, silent and appreciate that?
In a word – Yes. The crux of it all is that BP were enslaved by these people and, a few hundred years later given ‘liberty’. They dont want BP to keep discussing the wrongs that occurred, little caring or appreciating that they have no doubt left an indelible imprint as to treatment in the present day. Instead, they want what they did ‘right’ focused on and praised and by contrast, to ‘highlight’ how grateful BP should be after all thats been done for them!
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@Birdie
So can you explain to me why does that happen?
Have you learned nothing from your brief participation on this blog? One BP cannot speak for any other however, in line with my role in Personnel, I will have a stab at your question.
Perhaps you are not performing well in your role i.e. slow service/bring out the wrong menu choices/calculate the bill incorrectly
Or they may feel that:-
you look surly/unclean/your attitude is off/you work in a dive/your expectations are unrealistic i.e. maybe the food is poor
I hope this has been helpful to you and you go on reflect on just some of the many possibilities that have been demonstrated here.
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@Milton
In my previous post I said:
” I have zero problems with you or anyone criticizing people like Bliff or Jay from Philly who came here and made sweeping negative statements about Blacks.”
You and people like you just cant help it can you. You must always feel ‘superior’ to someone, somehow… At times, you are ALL on the same page though the way it is portrayed is different. Some prefer the overt, uncouth and ignorant way, others are stealth like and implicit…..
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@ Duck
I don’t want to say the school, but will just state I have a science degree. It’s just and associates degree, nothing major, but I graduated at the top of my class. I could have continued my studies, but certain circumstances prevented me from doing so.
But I would like to ask you this: What would I be an exception to?
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@ SomeGuy
I believe Duck is holding on to the delusional dream that blacks are not smart and do not accomplish anything, when in reality it is one of the many things that is hidden by society to push the black thug agenda.
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@ Sharina
The reason I asked him is because I don’t think I said that I was “Black”. I’ve always said that I was mixed race. I do sometimes consider myself fully Black because of social programming and my ethnicity would probably be considered “African American”; but racially I am mixed race.
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@Someguy
I do sometimes consider myself fully Black because of social programming and my ethnicity would probably be considered “African American”; but racially I am mixed race.
Perhaps he has ‘lumped you in’ with AA regardless. Maybe he only see’s things in Black and white with no shades in between…
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@ Someguy
I respect a science degree whether it’s associates, bachelor’s, master’s or Phd. I come from a STEM background, too.
But I would like to ask you this: What would I be an exception to?
The majority of people who think they’re above average… but aren’t.
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@Bulanik
@Demerera
Remember Doug? He was a highly-trained and ‘elite’ lawyer (race realist troll) of, um, massive intellect but couldn’t analyze fairly straightforward case law and its interpretations?
Oh yeah – Doug laaaas. He was friends with Jack Daniels wasnt he. Didn’t he show his ‘sound’, ‘reasoning’ and ‘debating’ skills on the Zimmerman thread didnt he?
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@ Uncle Milton
It is not my style that is mainly at fault. It is talking while black. According to the Rules of Racial Standing, there are only two times when most whites will take what I say seriously: when I agree with them and when I bad-mouth blacks.
Saying anything bad about whites, however true, marks me as hateful, angry and racist in their eyes. Their loss, not mine. I am not one of those who thinks talking nicely to whites will change anything.
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“Saying anything bad about whites, however true, marks me as hateful, angry and racist in their eyes. Their loss, not mine. I am not one of those who thinks talking nicely to whites will change anything.” <- What you wrote Abagond.
"Toronto has a huge gang problem, every single gang shooting this year has involved a first or second generation BLACK immigrant (Somali, Jamaican, Nigerian, West Indian)… I fail to see how pointing out the obvious and asking to have an honest conversation about it makes me terrible" <- what someone from Stormfront wrote.
Hmm, seems oddly similar. Minds who take radical positions on the opposite sides tend to think a like I assume.
But I digress, I'll step back into the shadows of a lurker now and watch from a safe distance, because as much as I disagree with the site .. it's fun watching two sides self-destruct.
Annnd … GO!.
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To Abagond:
It is not my style that is mainly at fault.
In my opinion some of your posts about Whites “flip the script” some do not.
Saying anything bad about whites, however true, marks me as hateful, angry and racist in their eyes.
Bliff came here and posted a bunch of half truths and erroneous information about Blacks. Did his words affect you or did you roll your eyes and think here’s another?
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Sharina,
Duck isn’t holding on to it, he’s obsessed with it. That’s his theme to almost every response to any and all posts related to the topic of race. That is why he tends to derail – a lot.
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To Demerera:
You must always feel ‘superior’ to someone, somehow…
Nope.
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duck,
First of all, Yes! I do see racism when it gives harsher sentences to black suspects or murderers of whites. That means hints how much white lives are valued in this damn society.
Second, As usual you miss MY POINT. I was talking about racism in death penalty sentencing. That’s my main topic. My topic is NOT about who is likely to murder who. It is NOT about black juries and YOUR belief that they are weak on crime. Those are just your weak attempts to shift the conversation in your favor to look down on blacks YET AGAIN.
Face it. You’re just babbling out of both sides of your mouth to try to override the focus of my topic and this topic of this blog. If you keep derailing other posts with your usual “blacks are bad” theme, you may end up getting banned.
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@ bro “First of all, Yes! I do see racism when it gives harsher sentences to black suspects or murderers of whites.”
That’s not what’s happening. You’re just too dumb to understand the argument / data.
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@Milton
I said:You must always feel ‘superior’ to someone, somehow…
You predictably responded Nope.
I fail to see why you feel the need to differentiate and thereby distance yourself from these commenters when you ALL say the same thing. Ask yourself why you feel distinct and therefore in a class of your own from your white peers. The delivery is different but the basis and frequent fallacious assertions /reasonings are all from the same stereotypical and often baseless PoV.
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Click to access BowersSteinerSandys3U.Pa.J.Const.L.171(2001).pdf
Read it all. It is a comprehensive study published in the journal of constitutional law, it analysis the racial bias of the death penalty and sentencing in general. Black people are much more likely to award life sentences while white people are for the death penalty.
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duck,
That is exactly what’s happening. You just don’t want to see it. You don’t want other people to be right and you wrong. That is one of your many problems. You are just too immature and too ignorant to take disagreements seriously let alone stay within a topic so simple a third-grader understands.
I don’t have a habit of derailing threads because I don’t respect the blog or the blogger enough to stay on topic. I don’t get upset when some of my comments don’t pass. That is the truth, duck. So, stop projecting your inadequacies in conversations onto those who respect this blog.
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This article also states that racism is a factor in jury decisions, all black juries are EXTREMELY rare.
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duck,
This topic is about why white people look down and hate black people. I used the death penalty as an example to show how lives are valued based on the color of the skin of the criminal and the victim. That coincides with this post on a legal level.
This post is about what’s going on with white people in regards to black people according to BLACK PEOPLE, the very white people people you admit to protect and the people who’s mindset you took in in regards to racism.
On occasion you called Abagond and some of the posters here black racists. So, the question many of us have asked so many like-minded posters is why bother to come here if it pisses you off?
There are a few theories, but it all points to the fact that you don’t know how to debate. You derail, use strawmen, use the media as viable sources, and juvenile name-calling. So, why not look at your faults in your responses before you point out the faults, real or imagined, in others?
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silentreturn,
I heard that black juries are very rare indeed.
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@ Birdie
The sad thing is B.R. responded to you several posts ago and just now you want to acknowledge what he said. After going on serial rants about what you think of “black” Muslims and black people in general. ***Rolling eyes***
“For some reason it seems it is okay to call white folks “crackers” and White Men “White Boys” when any small remark towards African Americans is always deemed inappropriate and unlawful.”—Please name one white person that has been arrested for saying any derogatory name towards a black person??? Quote a law where it is now unlawful to call a person names??? Go ahead.
The phrase white boy is no more far fetch then the phrase Boy in which whites used to call black men to degrade them. In most cases that I have heard the term “white boy” it is not used to degrade anyone only to get the attention of a young white teenage male.
Do tell me what a “fake” gangsta has to do with what some blacks call whites?? You are all over the page with things that don’t match your agenda of trying to bash blacks. It is like you are searching so hard for something bad to say about blacks that you are making yourself sound like a lunatic that is obsessed with what black people do and don’t do.
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@ Birdie
“Oh, Sharina, Pleeease 🙂 I kinda expected some kind of an answer as : “It’s because you don’t provide good service!” LIAR! Just stop lying and look at the facts. Black people don’t like to tip. I would say 60% of blacks don’t tip doesn’t matter what kind of service you provide.”—Oh and how is that facts. Because you work in a bar and you know facts. You work in one bar in one area and you conclude that 60% of blacks around the world don’t tip. Now I must ask what are you snorting or shooting. Try working in a restaurant. Fact of the matter is color does not dictate bad service. I can see from how you act in here that you are more than likely no better towards blacks in person. I can almost promise you that people sense it no matter how much you put on a smile. I think it more bothers you that people don’t automatically tip and treat you nice because you are white. Sorry that white privilege is not working for you in the black community the way you thought it should.
“A few weeks ago I had this black kid who was asking me all about the specials and prices and “what should i get”. I’m like: “Dude, honestly if you want the best deal you should get a LIT” I make it for him and he’s all like:”Thank you so much! You’re the best bartender!” Walks away, didn’t tip me a dollar.Did you just tell me I was the best bartender? Really? Just wasted 10 min of my time asking about: “How much is Patron? How much is Ciroc? Blah blah blah…” That happens ALL THE TIME with black people. Not all of them but 60-70% are like that. “Can I get some ranch dressing” ” This wings have no flavor, can I get smthng else instead?” The bitchiest most annoying customers ever! I shall really see no difference. Peleeeaase!”
You just proved my point about poor service. What more do you want? Who wants a bartender with a sour attitude, Who wants to tip for crappy food, etc. I can tell you right now I would not tip or pay for crappy food and service. On top of that kids don’t tip no matter what color, especially if they are low on funds. You fail to realize a very important key to it all. You don’t just get tips because you say so or because you believe it is mandatory. Tips are options. If a person does not want to tip you then guess what THEY DON’T HAVE TO.
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@ brothawolf
I personally have been wondering what is up with Duck or maybe I just thought better of him than he really is. When I first came to the blog I admire that he would use some type of logic to argue his points, even if I did not agree but lately he has been babbling. No structured or sound argument and down right name calling, which I really didn’t expect from him.
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@ Birdie
Statistically speaking Whites are more likely to do drugs, rape, and molest children, but I would never let those statistics define the individual I meet and get to know on my own. That is why I never pay that crap any mind. If I meet a white person and they are cool then I am not going to be thinking in the back of my mind ” I better not be nice because the statistic report says etc.” I am not going to allow numbers on a sheet of paper to determine my thoughts on all white people, black people, or Asian people. It is sad and pathetic how people like you let numbers on a paper determine your thoughts on black people without even getting to know them.
9 time out of 10 when I have meet people like you…They are always the ones that have this wall up. That is what is so sad about is is that you have up this “I hate blacks” wall that is so high that you can’t even see past it.
Now if you want to learn something about blacks then I am sure others will be happy to explain and help with that. If you want to continue to convince yourself that you know black people, then I am sure others will treat you like the idiots that all come in here and claim they know “all” black people.
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Sharina,
I think he’s starting to crack. He sounds desperate to risk derailing topics, and lately – if not mostly – his responses always seem to point to the “black people are dumb and violent” theme over and over again.
I don’t know what’s going on with him or any other posters with similar or more terrible comments. They must really have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to certain people, and it’s always black people they have a problem with.
To these people it seems like being black is a sin. If not, they are heavily focused on them and the color of the people making them.
(Sighs and SMH)
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To Demerera:
You predictably responded Nope.
Yes.. because it is the correct response.
frequent fallacious assertions /reasonings ..
Such as..?
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@ bro
You can engage in all the mock psychoanalysis you like. It doesn’t change the facts, it doesn’t disprove my argument and it certainly won’t provoke me. But if you and Sharina want to play that game then have at it.
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@ Duck
This really is not the first time I have noticed this. Frankly it was noticed on another topic and as I remember others wanted to know about all this talk about the shooting you keep hinting at and not devolving the hold thing. I also remember you saying you did not want to talk about it and I remember saying I will not ask you about it. From them on I noticed your usual calm and collective arguments have turned into a bunch of rants.As I stated with Brotherwolf, it could have been sooner and I just have not noticed
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correction whole*
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Well, I don’t know who I am quoting here who quoted someone else, but it’s just to say.
From this: “”Toronto has a huge gang problem, every single gang shooting this year has involved a first or second generation BLACK immigrant (Somali, Jamaican, Nigerian, West Indian)…”
What does a Somalian have in common with a West Indian ? Not much.
What does a Nigerian have in common with a Jamaican and a West Indian – Jamaicans being West Indians…- ? A lot, culturally speaking, since their ancestors where kidnapped and deported to the Americas by Europeans some centuries ago.
What does a Nigerian have in common with a Somalian ? Very little.
What forces them to find themselves in the same boat not literally anymore, but figuratively yes, and it does have grave implications) ? Racism. They are all defined as “black” for being Afro-….
*maybe*, (maybe), maybe ??? it has something to do with the fact that finding themselves in a foreign European-rooted country and having to deal with the racism that was and still a funding concept of relationships between Africans and Europeans in the Americas AND in Africa ?
Maybe ? Maybe, finding one’s place in countries that consider that they are inherently “white” is difficult ?
Maybe? Maybe the huge gang that was made up thousands of Europeans for 400 years that was ruling over the Atlantic, the African coasts and the Americas has SOMETHING to do with them being reduced to killing each other ?
Maybe, maybe ??? the fact that these people are still forced to migrate to find a better life has something to do with Euro-American firms and governments still holding the keys to economics (surely) and politics in their OWN countries ?
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Maybe Europeans should start looking at their own selves to see that their civilization is still the biggest threat to dark-skinned people ? (Listen to Bob Marley’s 400 years song… instead of buying racist plush bananas wearing Rastafari hairstyle and bonnets at the fair)
I am a European, light-skinned, blond-haired and blue-eyed, and I wish I had nothing to do with those “deniers” who, after 400 years continue to constantly imply that being “black” has something to do with being violent.
Then maybe, maybe ? being “white” and claiming it is the epitome, the summit, the top, the ultimate way to be violent ?
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duck,
Is my so-called psychoanalysis far off? You haven’t denied any of my assertions that you are obsessed with black people acting violent or criminal. In fact you’ve been derailing topics lately to prove your usual case. And the last time I checked in another post, you got your sources from the mainstream media of all places. You can’t seem to let it go. You can’t seem to respond without bring up how bad black people are.
So, you tell me what is it. Why are you constantly telling us something we haven’t heard before? What is your beef with black people especially if they defend themselves against people who see many things wrong with them? Why is it that we can’t say anything critical about whites because that is racist?
If you want to deny that you have a problem, go ahead. But let’s get one thing straight.
Black people, whether you know it or not, know that we have issues. We don’t deny them. We don’t cover them up. We are well aware of the problems we face. and some of us, like myself, know that not all problems come from within. That is something we just can not agree with. Why? Because it’s way too easy to blame ourselves rather than put the blame where it belongs. And in this society, that is not allowed without being called a black racist.
What Abagond, myself, and many other black bloggers are doing is doing what is hard to do in this society and that is question the white group. Our theme is to find out why they hate us. We’ve heard many of the reasons ranging from I.Q. to mentioning slavery to crime. None of those hold any weight for the most part. When you cross out all of these responses as excuses, then you have to ask again, what’s wrong with them when it comes to black people.
That is not hate. That is love. Because that is trying to find the truth in all this. The truth is nothing to frown at. It’s time to hear the black person’s truth from a black person. Makes sense doesn’t it?
It is love because there are people trapped in this matrix of whiteness that discards their minds, hearts and soles for the “white mind”. These people don’t want to be human. They want to be white – at any cost.
And if white people who are sick with racism on some level or another want to truly heal and not be anxious being around us or talking about us, they need to stop with the denial, stop with the blame game, and quit calling us names. They need to find out why they truly hate black people without pointing the blame on the entire black group. That is not healing. That is not a way to truly feel good. That is self-hatred.
All I’m saying is that if you don’t want people to jump on your case, then you need to listen or read, look at yourself, and fix the wounds in your heart. Acting tough won’t cut it. Humbling yourself is the only way.
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duck,
No one is trying to provoke you. You just want me or someone else to provoke you. This is from someone who loves you as one is supposed to love everyone.
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@Bulanik
He did? What did he do?
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So much for my response. lol
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@ Bulanik
And he was one I did not expect to do that. Sad really.
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@ Brothawolf
I guess your theory was correct.
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Brothawolf, your responce was incredible…glad you made that statement
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I found out he used sock puppets on a different post and after he was banned he said he’ll be back with more sock puppets.
He really is disturbed.
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Sounds like you’re the one with a race problem bro. I’m white and I don’t have a damn thing against black people. And here’s a little history lesson for you: not only blacks were slaves. What about Native Americans? Even whites were slaves. Many whites have problems with blacks. Many blacks have problems with whites. Etc. the world is a bad place. But there is also good. Advice: stop looking at the negatives and start looking at the positives.
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^ YES! Turn a blind eye to all the effedupness that can put you out of work, keep you out of neighborhoods you can more than afford, or cause you to be “accidentally” shot by someone carrying a gun and shield. Talking about racists attitudes mean you have a problem!
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@ Anonymous
Seems like you need a lesson in basic reading comprehension bro. No one said blacks were the only slaves and no one said this was about all whites. I will say this much though. The whites that actually do have a deep seeded problem are always the ones that come in miscomprehended what they read and what is being said; then try so hard to give everyone else a history lesson or advice that they obviously need more than the rest.
But carry on.
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*Talking about racist attitudes means you have a problem!* Ugh! grammar/spelling issues lol.
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Anonymous, I am a person who is /was classified as “white” in American racial classification system and in the 18th century European attempt at separating and hierarchizing (never know how to say that, I’m French) humans along genealogical/ pseudo-genetic/ phenotypical lines. You are wrong, my “bro”. You don’t know what you are talking about and you need to learn A LOT.
First, read books on the difference between the treatment of Native Americans and Africans by the same people that enslaved them, Europeans. (there are many books) They actually commissioned (the Vallaloid debate see Wiki) themselves to reflect on whether “Indians” were really human, whether they had a soul or not. They didn’t consider the possibility for Africans, as they decided (as others like Arabs/Muslims had before) that the Bible was telling them that Africans were “black” as a punishment from God, therefore were “paying” for their sin by being their slaves. Simple, right ? So easy.
Well, the problem is, the ideology is very very resilient, and we are STILL in the midst of it. Your discourse is the proof. You don’t want to listen to what “blacks”, that is those that were designated and labelled as such by racists (pseudo-scientists who were also naturalists, biologists, ethnologist, anthrologists – do you realize how much academia was put to work to spread the propaganda ? You are a victim of it too…) have to say, because you *think* you know better.
White-minded people are like that. The concept of whiteness, when they have accepted it as a fact, which it is not (it is an illusion), messes up their minds. It is, I believe personally (and the author of this blog too !), a psychiatric ailments. It needs to be treated. BUT, the doctors, most of them, are also “white”-minded, the researchers, many of them are. And this mental disease serves a goal, plus it benefits its sufferers. And it’s very victims tend to accept and even claim some of the ideologies postulate, like “blackness”. The development of the ideology in colonial settings is so complex it is incredible when you read about it. So it is VERY complicated to attack.
Take time to actually read what people write, what they say, what they claim, because they may sound angry, they may be angry, but they are rarely hateful, very rarely, surprisingly, considering what they and they forefathers have had to endure (the worst didn’t stop long ago). When they tell you something is racist, believe them, listen to them. Try.
When they tell you they have suffered to a point that no other group of humans has, believe them. They know, they undergo it.
Don’t use the classical trick (I learnt recently what it is called “the fig leaf argument”.) Someone tells you about something serious, and you say, “yes, but, I too, they too… blah blah.” No, they are telling you about something specific, that has its own causes and consequences. They are not talking about something else. But that DOESN’T mean that they don’t care about the rest.
Simply, in this case, they HAVE TO take care of that problem, because they know that, in this day and time, nobody (or so few, unfortunately) will take care of it in their place.
Words from a (beige-skinned) “sis”.
Peace
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Why do blacks have to move to white countries? Whites wouldn’t hate, demonize, fear or look down on blacks if blacks did not live in our countries. Stop the hate Separate. Its really THAT simple.
Why should whites have to take blacks into their countries we feel the same as Israel
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10250768
JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is warning that Israel could be swamped by illegal migrants from Africa.
The mounting number of migrants is high on the national agenda following a series of crimes, including rapes, that have been blamed on the newcomers.
Netanyahu says the influx is “threatening the fabric of Israeli society, its national security and its national identity.”
He says if Israel doesn’t stop it, then “60,000 infiltrators are liable to become 600,000, and lead to the eradication of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state.”
Do you see the difference yet? What has the black race contributed to man kind? Have they helped the human race? Do they or will they upgrade the society that they are introduced to? Why should we turn them lose on our streets? If you want your children to go to school with them, mate with them,if you want them running around your neighborhood, where you work,eat and live then move to them don’t move them here.
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@ Crusader
If you are asking all those questions then you obviously are an idiot. When you actual care to do some real research on all the blacks have contributed to the betterment of society then it might be worth my time to help in your re-education, but until then…..you are free to live in your delusion.
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@ Crusader
Because I am a nice person I will give you some place to start. http://blackinventor.com/
Now when your brain has stopped scrambling from all the lies you have been told and you realize that your speech and videos on people in Africa and Israel has nothing to do with black people in the united states ( a land that does not belong to white men I might add and the fact that blacks did not move here but were kidnapped and taken here) then we can talk.
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@ Sharina:
You tell ’em. 😀
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“Why do blacks have to move to white countries? Whites wouldn’t hate, demonize, fear or look down on blacks if blacks did not live in our countries. Stop the hate Separate. Its really THAT simple.”
LOL!
I needed that…
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To paraphrase the words of the late Great Malcolm X, the White Man’s chickens are finally coming home to roost.
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Sharina
Why do all of the so called black inventors have European names? If the black man was ever capable of these inventions he would have had a country full of neat things before and when the Europeans found them.Land will always belong to the conqueror. And for the record your people sold you and yes LOL you have very strong ties to africa. The real black man(your people) is in the videos I posted. History has been written and a website full of lies will not change it. You are an afrocentric preaching delusions of grandeur.Here is the truth but don’t look because it hurts.
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx
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Who is that idiot ?
I have news for you Mr Crusader. I am light-skinned but not white and I don’t believe YOUR lies because they are so petty they are too easily to dispelled. You sound ridiculous as do all the people of your kind.
Ancient Egyptians operated on patients thousands of years before the Europeans did. Traditional African medicine, in most African countries as they were modeled by the occupier with the help of his weapons and a few traitors, can cure many psychological and somatic illnesses. Maybe you can go see them. That will do you and us some good. You will learn some things you have no idea about and that will leave us some posting space.
Have a nice trip.
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Abagond, is it possible to give Crusader his own thread so that he can talk to his own-oh-so-highly-superior self and let us have serious and interesting conversations together ?
Mind you, he is also a good object of study in the frame of this very topic. I wonder, how come ethnological studies never focus on his twisted kind ?
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This Crusader guy doesn’t even know his geography and mixes the Pacific with the Atlantic, Pacific Islands with Africa. (One doesn’t have to go to far to do so, it’s all in Pirates of the Caribbeans).
Go read some books before trying to give other people’s lessons.
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To the Crusader:
Your link attributes a racist quote to Darwin:
That doesn’t match Darwin’s writing style.
It actually is a somewhat paraphrased quote from a novel called “The Clansman: An historical romance of the Ku Klux Klan”, by Thomas F. Dixon Jr written in 1905, which was also the basis for the racist film “Birth of a Nation”
http://www.freefictionbooks.org/books/c/11773-the-clansman-by-thomas-dixon?start=133
Darwin’s entire body of writings online:
http://darwin-online.org.uk
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Crusador, why does Afro diasporic culture just absolutly dominate and lead by the nose European culture everywhere they brought slaves from Africa? White people just suck off of Afro diasporic culture like a hungry baby on a big breast of nurishing milk…
What is disgusting is to hear the tyrade of a real chump like you who I guarentee you, if you look at your cultural choices, Id bet the farm that they have Afro diasporic roots….
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@ Crusader
What is a name? You really should ask yourself that. Most blacks were robbed of there culture by then, so why would they have African names? The white name and culture was beaten into them.
Secondly They had inventions just like every other country. Most inventions white men stole, claimed they made it, taught idiots like you they made it so you can spend your life believing whites made it, and had none alive to tell otherwise. Funny how delusional you are that when presented with black inventions, that you so freely partake of, your first response was denial. That is what years of stupidity and delusion will do to you.
Thirdly no one sold me because I was born here. My heritage is actually a mixture of white (Irish to be exact), Indian, and black.
Now maybe you are having a heart attack because the truth hurts you, but I am sorry. The truth far from hurts me. I guess all the great counter responses have you head exploding now….it is ok. I am sure reality will sink in eventually.
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@ Crusader
What does any of those links have to do with what I said to you or even presented to you?? The saddest part about the second link is you are too ignorant to truly comprehend what is actually being said. More over if you did further research then you would find that blacks and Asians and even some other Europeans made it to the Americas years before the half-whit Europeans in big fancy boats. As far as your first link, my 5 year old has a higher IQ than you and I personally know plenty of blacks (some apply themselves and some don’t) that proves those results as hogwash. Then again I tend not to believe every thing someone throws at me and tries to pass it off as facts. You on the other hand seem to need it.
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@ Bulanik
That would require that he actually read and based on his response and the links he posted…I am guessing he does not. LOL!
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First of all the Egyptians were not black.Second a negroid is a negroid be it from an island or africa, all of you dwell around the equator because you never could make it in the cold regions unless you are living off of the white man.There is not one black in africa that would not sell his mother to live in a white country.
While reading through these post I see ignorant remarks from some who should keep their thoughts to themselves.I’m not a racist I’m a realist, enjoy:-)
The black man uses the excuse of slavery to hate the white man but the truth of the matter is that they envy the white man and every non-negro race because every time they get in or see a fine automobile,(or anything with a wheel for that matter)planes,trains or when they use a smart phone,(or any form of communication other than face to face)computer,gps or any other invention made by great minds they know that they have contributed NOTHING.At the same time the black man marches up and down the street hollering “We’s Equal”and I look at that and say “sure you are” that’s why Nigeria has the best space program,Uganda makes the best computers,Ethiopia makes the finest automobile,Ghana has the finest cities in the world and most of the cures for the diseases that plague mankind are developed in Haiti and lets not forget how they jumped in their clippers to explore and map the world and before that they put on their armor while armed with weapons like the Crossbows,Swords,Halberds they crushed European empires with Trebuchets,catapults and ballistas.I could go on and on and on about the great accomplishments of the negro race but I feel I have made my point.
What were the black people doing in their native lands 700, 600, 500,400,300,200, 100,50,25,2 years ago,and here we are today every time I turn on the tv some kind of hand out is headed to africa. Why is this? Why are blacks so needy? Africa is agriculturally rich, it has every precious and semi-precious stone known to man,petroleum,gold,and copper and the list goes on and on.With all of this going for it plus the great black man that dwells there, why do they need anything from the outside world. Out of the 54 countries on the african continent a least one of them should be a super power.Why is it that little countries like(to name a few) Iceland, Finland, England and other European countries that don’t have the natural resources like africa does do so much better and always have?You came to bat for the black people, so swing.
http://www.youtube.com/watchv=OoThvKoCXbQ&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLECD1A90C298F1EF4
Of course you will have to respond using everything that your people had nothing to do with like electricity, English, written language, pc,Internet and so on so I will be waiting for your reply queen of nothing.
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@ Crusader
What does all this have to do with the post?
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My people come from the land of the ice and snow for which we have prevailed,we built magnificent civilizations,we built great bridges and dams,cured diseases, we crossed oceans,marched in tactical legions to conquer and colonize foreign lands or to protect our own,explored the unknown,invented the unimaginable,inconceivable, incredible, unbelievable, unthinkable, impossible and the fantastic but yet we just got started. I can claim this what can you claim?
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@ Crusader
Either tell me what this has to do with the post or continue your argument at the thread for the White Inventor Argument:
Otherwise if you continue your ignorant ranting here I will mark you as a source of spam.
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Wow, someone’s a jibberjabbering fool.
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It’s amazing that those who look down on blacks like them enough to visit their blog to assert their white supremacy. thus, proven the point of the topic at hand. It’s like volunteering to be the perfect example of something terribly wrong.
Crusader,
I won’t comment on everything you’ve said because it speaks volumes of your color-aroused hatred you were programmed to follow. I will make a comment about this:
The white man has FORCED the black man to love him unconditionally no matter how many times he sh*ts on him. He wants black people to love whiteness more than they do. He reinforces white supremacy at almost every turn hoping that the people he looks down upon loves him through all the sins he has committed, benefited from or both that he can’t come to grips with because that would mean facing the harsh truths.
And who on Earth taught the black man that he has contributed nothing? Obviously, you’ve been taught that big fat lie and like the sheep that you are, you believed it.
Why are inventions the basis for your weak-minded argument? Inventions by individuals do not make the entire group for which those individuals are identified with great. But racism makes that stupid generalization whenever white people want to “prove” that they are great and blacks are not. However, they PURPOSELY IGNORE many great contributions by blacks at ANY time. That’s unfair and illogical because it focuses on one group at the expense of another.
Crusader, let me make one thing clear. All you’ve down was prove the point of this post, and you’ve done it so well.
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I commend all of you who even took the time to respond to this Idiot Crusader.
These race realist are attracted to Abagond like flies on sh’t and make as much noise.
I hope all of our ‘race realist’ friends are taking Spanish and Chinese language classes because while they and the rest of America (white) keeps focusing on blacks and legal/illegal Mexicans in America, China will call in America’s trillion dollar debt and start taking over their property in the USA real soon…
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Crusader is a living metaphor. So white that he is actually becoming transparent.
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“I hope all of our ‘race realist’ friends are taking Spanish and Chinese language classes …. China will call in America’s trillion dollar debt and start taking over their property in the USA real soon…”
*****
Culminating with the beginning of the United States of China, and the end of the *Model Minority* stereotype that will undoubtedly be replaced with much less flattering ones from yesteryear. “REALISTS” (aka racist whites) would have someone to hate and demonize more than blacks.
Knowing whiteness’ propensity for violence and control of all things and people, the USA (and the west) imo would rather start a cataclysmic nuclear war with China (and her allies) than go quietly into submission. These are certainly interesting times!
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The above argument is carefully crafted to utterly implode the self-esteem and confidence of black people, to make them feel like NOTHING, so they can go back to being the humble servants of their “betters” (i.e. whites). It’s easy to have a docile people at your beck and call when you constantly remind them they contributed NOTHING because they are NOTHING.
Amazing how all of these attempts to devalue black existence always loop back towards returning black people to their previous “peculiar” condition. It underlines the unfathomable sickness of “whiteness” and white supremacy.
Just as human beings demand unerring loyalty from dogs, the white man demands the same from his black and brown counterparts. You either love the white man or you hate him – there’s no such thing as “middle ground” on this issue.
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@ Linda
I guess it is a good thing my 5 year old insisted on learning Chinese this year. LOL!
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You said it Linda. In my country, in the capital city, Paris, these idiots are making money selling historic buildings like chocolate rolls, mostly to the Arabic Peninsula states. And then they make the people believe that “Arabs” (those of our French citizens who have North African parents and grand-parents) are abusing the social system…
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No one needs scientific proof to SEE that Ancient Egyptians were Africans. Looking at Amenophis’s dynasty’s statues is enough. https://www.google.com/search?q=amenhotep+iii&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=6Ju&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvnsb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=7Qc1UKq0EbCy0QGjy4D4DQ&ved=0CFwQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=787
Not seeing it means you suffer from mental blindness.
Plus, go to a museum with an African, let him/her visit the Sarcophagi and mummis rooms and see his/her reaction (“These people -Europeans- are savages ! How Can you take people out of their tombs and expose them like this ! This is sick !”) ! I actually have always thought exactly the same. If all the artifacts that are exposed in museums were brought back where they belong, the greatest of all civilizations would be visible. Museums are just a way to lie about history, by splitting the cultural wealth of other people’s apart.
Then take the African visitor to the Ancient Egyptian everyday life artifacts room. Even more edifying: this is what happened to me:
There we are looking at combs, hoes, files, scissors, and others technological, metallic objects.
A French woman tells her daughter: “Look these are the objects Pharaoh and the queens used.”
Here comes the African: “Oh, look ! What is my grand-ma’s stuff from the village doing here ?”
What more proof do the idiots and liars need ?
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Amenhotep III ^^
Queen Tyie looks exactly like an African woman I know very well. Same face, same eyes, same skin color.
People like Cheik Anta Diop have proven long ago that Subsaharian languages are linked to Ancient Egyptian. A traditional Tsuti from present Rwanda haircut is the exact copy of the Pharaoh’s so called “headdress”. It was in fact their hair, and the little curls on them that look like decoration to a Euro-centrist eye are hair curls.
But they just don’t want to see it.
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Racism really makes totally blind ! And transforms in such liars:
Drawing:
http://www.suziemanley.com/famous_egyptians/amenhotep_3_and_tiye.htm
Originals:
http://wysinger.homestead.com/tiye.html
I mean, what more do they need ?
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This idea of “dichotomous thinking” is actually brilliantly perceptive. I’ve noticed this, as well, with white people but hadn’t put a fabulous name on it.
For example, think about when you discuss crime with white supremacists. One thing they love to say is that black people support criminals. (Notice there is never a qualifier in this statement.) They like to say that there is always some black person (typically a woman because, apparently, black women are liable to fall into “Oh, lawd!” fits at any moment) saying, “Tyrone was a good boy,” when Tyrone is arrested for something.
To white people, anyone who is ever or has ever been charged with a crime is the Devil Incarnate.* To them, there can be no context for the action, no reasoning that could possibly explain what caused the person to do what they do. They’re just evil people with no redeeming qualities. And never, ever suggest that something beyond themselves could have caused an action! That’d get white folks real mad.
Black people don’t do this. Black people are nuanced because we have to be–our lives were/are harder, wrought by tough decisions and stressful circumstances. Like Sethe’s killing of Beloved in Morrison’s novel was not painted like she was a monster for doing it; it was painted in the colors of reality: greys. White people obviously have no understanding of this, which is sad. But it would be pointless to outline how simple-minded they are–it might upset some delicate balance (pardon the pun)…
* Unless the person is white (Rodney King cops) or a white woman (she gets grey, like those they-just-have-to-be-mental female sex abuser teachers) or an honorary white accused of killing someone black (George Zimmerman).
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What does “the true black man” mean anyway? I don’t like throwing this word around but my geez, this person is just plain stupid, like quintessential, not even trying, don’t look at my penis, coattail hanger-on, cartoon, stupid. I hope he realizes that there are A LOT of “the true white man” moments which would make “his people” look far less than human, if one cares to look at the world in a narrow, self serving, dishonest, out of context bullsh*t manner like he’s doing. And I bet those would send these types into a rage because now they can post a link somewhere showing “proof” of how their divine group is under attack and they all can start their circle jerk. “Crusader” LOL, just so rich, unoriginal but rich nonetheless, so keep diggin..uhh I mean talking!
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Gen
This is not some fringe group that I posted this is a way of life and you should be ashamed for denying your people. And you don’t have to look hard at all to find the truth.
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white civilisation at its finest
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Genocide in Uganda
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This is what I mean by a white racist cant see anything of value in ancient African traditions….they are blinded by their racism, they miss so much, what a putrid existance , wallowing in the sewage of their racist drek..the foul stench of their ignorance is overwelming
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@B. R
“white civilisation at its finest”
I think it’s noble you believe Nazi Germany was tied to all white civilisations. You do know that without the efforts of the allies, only whites would have probably existed if Germany had won the war and the (white)allies decided not to fight against their own brothers and sisters.
Face it, If you bring up Germany it’s moot to attribute it to “white” civilisation if whites actively fought against what Germany was doing, instead of sitting back and allowing it.
I think you try too hard, I really do.
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The white people in this video are the real sob’s, the scum of the earth..so much to be proud of , eh Crusador?
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No , Yawn, dont bore me, if this chump can run his mouth like that with his unfair examples, and if you buy it, you all need to suck on what Im brining in
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It is actually interesting that you would bring up the Rwandan genocide, which has its roots in the partition into “races” of a people that was united under its own rules BEFORE the Europeans arrived and DECIDED that one group ‘Tsutis” were “superior” to the other “Hutus”, on the ground that these people had different physical features. Our admirable civilization and its formidable creation called the theory of races has had horrible implications right in the middle of Africa. It is POISON.
And you are seriously “grave”, as we would say in France, and admirably illustrate Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
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Yawn, Whiteness had crush Hitler because he was the psychopath/ Narcissist that they try not to show whiteness creates. He was going to bring down whiteness, because he was attacking whites… Cannibalism. As Aimé Césaire said,“What he [the European or white man] cannot forgive Hitler for is not the crime in itself, the crime against man…it is the crime against the white man…the fact that he applied to Europe colonialist procedures which until then had been reserved exclusively for the Arabs…the ‘coolies’…the ‘niggers’” (Discourse on Colonialism – a book to read…)
A little like what’s happening on the financial level in Europe these days. After attacking the rest of the world, they are coming after their own, and THAT is not okay. It”s cannibalism on a large scale.
Aimé Césaire said this on capitalism (which is the sister of racism and colonialism): Hitler “makes it possible to see things on a large scale and to grasp the fact that capitalist society, at its present stage, is incapable of establishing a concept of the rights of all men, just as it has proved (in)capable of establishing a system of individual ethics”
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The White Inventor argument is off topic here. Those who want to pursue it can do so here:
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@B. R.
“No , Yawn, dont bore me, if this chump can run his mouth like that with his unfair examples, and if you buy it, you all need to suck on what Im brining in”
So let him run his mouth, all he’s doing is proving a point by provoking you into a response. You think he really cares what intellect you bring to the table? it goes in one ear and out the other, I should know I was exactly how he was when I was younger.
“This is what I mean by a white racist cant see anything of value in ancient African traditions….they are blinded by their racism”
I do agree with this though.
@Cornlia
It’s interesting how you Europeans keep posting paragraphs of stuff to respond to me, when I do not engage/care to engage in conversation.
You just remind me of a Sam copy, and that is in itself a put off. You try too hard aswell, but for difference reasons altogether. Seems White Europeans are already being programmed to forget/destory a discription of “white” even though you’ll never see any other people who be arab/indian/asian/black do so ever in regards to “race”.
Do you think you parading around saying “Demolish race theory” is going to impact everyone? Please, so far the only people who are actively trying to are whites in the western world, while ever other “race” still prances around calling themselves asian/black/etc race. So in the end, “whites” are gone, but every other race still exists, hell ask Tyrone if he’ll ever get rid of the black race thought process, I’ll bet nope, not a chance.
If I’d ever care about the topic, I’d follow those nasty white nationalists would be correct in the assumption that they’re being killed off… but, seeing as I’m mixed I personally couldn’t care.
Hope you enjoy seeing Tyrone preech of a black world, cause race theory is NOT what’s causing the worlds problems at the moment.
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Abagond: @Sarah,
“I think Mel‘s explanation is part of it too, but it doesn’t explain why it’s so hard for white people to rid themselves of their racism, why white people cling both conciously and subconciously onto their racist worldview.”
Right, which is why I think it is more than simple brainwashing and ignorance. It is extremely resistant to facts. It is too deeply held for that.
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That description fits marxist anti-racists. Their paradigm of pervasive white racism resists all appeals to reason and logic and facts and lived experience.
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Yawn, if you do feel differant than Crusador, I shouldnt have implicated you
Many of the posters here are very well educated and polite enough to know how to intelligently dispatch of scum pond levals of some of the white racists that come in here…
Im not…
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@ Yawn,
if you don’t care about what I say, why do you even bother commenting it ?
You say: “when I do not engage/care to engage in conversation.” Why are you here then ?
This is a blog, people comment, you comment, I comment !
Or is it: “I, Yawn, comment, and you “Europeans” shut up” ??
You’re a funny guy too.
And that is a very interesting phrase: “So in the end, “whites” are gone, but every other race still exists” But I’ll let you think about why it is.
I also find it interesting how when you don’t really know how (or don’t want to) discuss things, objects, facts, you (and many others) try to destroy people’s personalities (“Do you think you parading around”). There is a pattern here. And what I get from it is that it does bother you a little bit that I and others like me “might” impact someone sometime somewhere. ‘Cause, if you didn’t care, why would you bother ?
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Yawn, another interesting thing is that you would talk in the place of “Tyrone” (who I have never met here) instead of letting him say what he has to say if he wishes to express himself. Kinda typical too.
Oh and, “race theory is NOT what’s causing the worlds problems at the moment”, is that, like, your “decision”, or is it magical, suddenly it stopped having consequences on this world, or is it wishful thinking ?
Like saying “racism is no more”, so it magically disappears.
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And this “even though you’ll never see any other people who be arab/indian/asian/black do so ever in regards to “race”” shows how little you know the rest of the world.
It is not the same being an “arab/indian/asian/black” in the US and in the places of origins.
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Just answer me this, Cornlia. If what you wrote is true, then why do Black people get so much negativity from the native population when they visit the Middle East, India, China and even parts of Africa? If things are so different as you claim, then why the hostility?
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I don’t think we are talking about the same thing here, SomeGuy.
I am referring to the racial classification system in the US, which groups people that would otherwise not consider themselves as belonging to the same groups.
Ex: Asians = Indians, Paskistani, Chinese, Indonesian, etc…
Arabs are actually classified as “white” in the US system.
“Blacks” are referred to as people with African origins.
You are referring to the system of caste in India (about which I don’t know enough, but I have noticed that color of skin does play an essential role), racism based on the Bible (similar to the Christian racism) on the part of Muslims (confused with being “Arabs”, but there are Christian Arabs, and most Muslims are not Arabs).
I don’t know about racism in Asia (China, Korea and India, to be precise), several close friends who went there didn’t report any “direct” racism as part of business trips or a semester of study, but you may have knowledge about that (Mira Sorvino, the American actress, wrote a thesis on Anti-African racism in China, so I imagine there is a pattern there too).
What I was telling Yawn is that the racial system, which is institutionalized in the US, makes its own “racial” distinctions, that don’t necessarily -and rarely do- correspond to how people view themselves (and view others) in the countries of origin. I wasn’t saying that there isn’t any anti-African or colonial-type prejudice in all those places.
Being a dark-skinned Indian and a dark-skinned African/black in the US doesn’t have the same impact on your lives. Being dark-skinned *period* (Indian or African) in India ? I don’t know.
Where does the prejudice stem from in China ? Do you know if there is research and history on that ? I would be interested to learn about that. If I can find Sorvino’s thesis, I’ll read it.
Thanks.
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But my point was, the effect is exactly the same; so why is it so important to point out minor differences in how other racists act?
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So basically Crusader made no point.
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@ Crusader
So basically what you are saying is when someone debunks your claims then you will change it from past to present to suit the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about and no leg to stand on?
“You should know this from the books they left behind because after all they had a written language or did they?”–Actually they did have written language. Now if you loved history so much you would know that right???
“That’s right you speak,write and read the white devils language”—Does language matter? Will it change anything? I know African kids that come here and excel and English is not their first language. That is if you want to conclude that intelligence hinges on if a person knows English or not? Then again that is the only leg you have to stand on right??? Oh and for the record I have a multi-language home. LOL!!
Now in regards to Egyptians. Scholars have clearly stated that Egyptians have negroid features, but can not be defined by our ideas of race.
Now as far as other inventions by Black men….I will be more than happy to provide people and names, but I can’t do it in here so I will post it in another room. I doubt you go because you are obviously afraid of what the truth is.
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The effect is not “exactly” the same.
For instance, the Chinese in Africa do not behave the same as the Europeans. They learn the languages, they live in the same places as the natives, when the Europeans used to (and still do) express the belief of their superiority by not doing this (among other things).
Recently, I learned about a Muslim African-American woman who stayed in a North-African country for a few weeks, and said the people there treated her like a queen. Which is not exactly what I heard from Christian Africans (among which a University professor working there for a year, and a Cameroonian family on vacation there). They experienced bad racism. I heard the same story from from a Malian friend whose brother studied for a while in another North African country. She said it was a horrible experience for him.
However, youth with African origins, North or Sub-Saharian in France, tend to stick together because they undergo racism together. But, you will see people mix more, between people of European, North-African and Subsaharian descent. Which is not as frequent in the US.
What I am trying to say here is that the prejudice is different depending on who is prejudiced and against who. And that things are not as clear-cut in some places as in others. The “color-line” varies with cultures and people(s).
In Africa, albino people are treated usually with disdain or fear, and sometimes outright violence. Is it something that is old, or tied to the influence of the encounter with light-skinned Europeans ? Also, the Pygmies in Cameroon, for instance, undergo a very tough racist attitude. Is it recent and linked to the teachings by Europeans that their way of life is “savage” and therefore inferior ? If someone has info on these, it would be nice to have references.
But what you pointed, this seemingly universal prejudice, is a fact. I know there a book written on the fact that males in all cultures tend to chose light-skinned mates. Whatever the culture and whatever the average skin color where they live. When did it start, where did it start ? Is it a “natural” fact, like some animal species mate with partners that are this or that color, or is it a cultural fact that spread through the generations and encounters ? I’m planning to get that book. This is indeed something one can notice with most “political and economical elites” around the world.
If we focus on your remark, that “the effect is the same”, then we have to broaden the post question to “why do light-skinned people around the world hate-demonize-fear-or-look-down upon dark-skinned people ?”…
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@ crusader/Anonymous
Now on the issues of Uganda and Africa as a whole. I have no issue with My brothers and sisters over seas. I am not ashamed of them, but I also do not have a collective mindset where all blacks speak for me and I speak for all blacks. I know for a fact that people like you not speak for all whites.
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@ Crusader
Here is the link to the other blog https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/the-white-inventor-argument/#comment-142880
That way you can see that White inventions are not as long standing as you believe them to be. Now I am not shy of giving credit where it is due and you yourself have not contributed anything note worthy.
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@Cornlia: Peace and Blessings, Holding out the olive branch.
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I will never, ever understand the lengths racist whites will go to malign black people.
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Mary, it’s not irony, right ? (Since you mentioned the baguette and Josephine somewhere else).
I hope you do realize that I don’t think I hold the truth. I am really trying to think this race thing through… A little complicated when it is your own ancestors’ invention… and has done so much damage.
Peace to you.
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“I will never, ever understand the lengths racist whites will go to malign black people.”
*****
Leigh, if the *racists* didn’t “malign” black people, and didn’t have Africans/blacks as a group to look down upon, feel better than/superior to, their collective delusional/irreparable psyches would implode. Seriously! : /
Racists NEED to be RACIST, or else.
It’s a spiritual sickness..
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Crusader,
You waltz in here with your videos and white supremacist propaganda expecting us to take it in at face value without any question. And let’s be real here, most of what you said was anti-intelligent. You can’t expect us not to at least laugh our butts off at the stupidity you’re leaving behind.
Here’s the deal; you hate it when any hint of sin, something that ALL humans are capable of, against blacks by whites is even suspected. It’s so major that you felt the need to come here and tell us what to think like some two-bit dictator.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from blogging is that racist white people can’t stand to be told what they’ve done or are doing wrong to others. They think they are blameless. They think they are the real victims.
Victims of what – other than their own broken psychology, inverted morality, and warped morality??
Matari,
It’s like I said in another post. They need us more than we need them. WAY MORE. They want someone to hate. Someone to ease their guilt and shame. And someone to make them feel good about being a racist.
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Yes, Brothawolf. Exactly.
And it is in accordance with the “needs” of people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
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@ Brothawolf
Well said as always.
@ Cornlia
Well said as well.
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blacks are retarded. sounds simplistic, but is the root cause of all the problem. Explains the easy conversions to religion. White people are not opposed to skin colors, that of course would be stupid. Whites view black skin as an indicator of the retarded behavior lying within.
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Bob. It does “sound” simplistic. It is. And retarded you are. And of course racist, as the expression of racist views is a sign of ignorance and retardness, as your last sentence states: “Whites view black skin as an indicator of the retarded behavior lying within”. You clearly stated the illusional state of mind white-minded people are in. The word “view” is enough to indicate the illusion you guys live in.
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Why would a sane, intelligent and happy person “hate, demonize, fear or look down on” a “retarded” person, really ? Unless they are retarded themselves, right Bob ?
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@ Bob
It is ok to feel inferior to blacks. I am also so glad you are a great example to the point of the blog itself. LOL! That only envious, jealous, and insecure white people hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks. Too bad you were too retarded and ignorant to realize it. ROFL!!!
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@ Cornlia
Isn’t it amazing how the individuals who claim blacks or any other people as retarded always say something retarded. It speaks in volumes to me.
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The next blog should be about the effects of racism to the individual IQ. The last two white racist commenters have been nothing more than jokes.
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Fact is, Bob, I could almost feel pity, because I know some “officially” mentally retarded people who actually know how to feel shame, compassion, happiness, basically know how to relate to others even with the intellectual deficiency they have. They don’t lack feelings. Sometimes having too many of them is at the root of their problem.
But your (and other people’s like you) retardedness is intellectual AND mostly emotional. It must be complicated to deal with, so why not turn against easy preys to feel like you are a somebody…
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Yep Sharina,
what amazes me is how they are always complaining about how blacks and others are this and that, and instead of minding their own business, and being their own superior selves on their pedestal, keep coming after them *as if* they had something to gain out of the confrontation with people they *supposedly* have nothing to gain from… Hmmm, crazy…
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@ Cornlia
They always have to know what blacks are doing. Especially since they have convinced themselves that the white race is becoming extinct and that the blacks are out to get them. You know I realized something. If blacks are this and that to whites then why do blacks make them so paranoid? Also if whites consider blacks so retarded and unintelligent then why are they always checking up on us?? You would not need to check on or fear someone that you don’t think is smart enough to do anything to you? LOL!
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“Tout à fait” Sharina.
Imagine being “one of them” and not understanding them. I think I will be amazed all my life.
For a while, I used to get angry and try to make them understand, but those who are really racist won’t budge.
Then I tried to step back, be calmer and very clear and simple in what I would tell them, point to specific facts, and those who are not racist but just ignore facts, and are open-minded, when you explain things to them, get it. But it is VERY complicated to know where to start because it’s a learning process -or rather un-learning- that takes years. It requires changing identities, basically. Looking at the world in a completely different way. With other lenses, goggles, often a telescope to look back in time !
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Okay Bob,
You said, “blacks are retarded. sounds simplistic, but is the root cause of all the problem. Explains the easy conversions to religion. White people are not opposed to skin colors, that of course would be stupid. Whites view black skin as an indicator of the retarded behavior lying within.”
There are a lot of white people who ARE opposed to skin color for the simple reason that it’s dark. And anything ‘black’ is considered bad while whites have that opposite image.
In fact in many dictionaries that equate anything with white as being innocent, descent, good, etc. and anything black as foul, wicked, vicious, etc. And so, they call themselves ‘whites’ and us ‘blacks’ and associated themselves with their color-coded connotations.
You, for example said that they (whites) view black skin as an indicator of the retarded behavior lying within.” So, not only have you provided a clear example as to the problem, but you also negated your own argument.
And you call us retarded?
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brothawolf… let me click on the imaginary “like” button.
If he doesn’t understand that he has been figured out by now…
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lolwut? The Celts, Scandinavians, and all of Europe threw all of their own deities under the bus for a brown skinned, brown eyed, curly brown haired Semitic savior. Africans, in the interior of Africa, were the LAST people to be converted to outside religion. So what the f*ck are you smoking, buddy?
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co-sign with Brothawolf, Matari, Cornlia, Sharina, Someguy
You know, Im trying to not get banned on here, so , I have to hold inside the real words Id really like to say to these individuals
There is an undenying patheticism to their pitiful posts
We have so much information on this blog of African civilisations, contributions, genius , culture, so much information on the real deal of the lies and racism and discrimination and just plain cruelty and evilness from white racists ….
These people arnt “my people”…I shun them and totaly wash myself of any association of “whiteness ” that would give us anything in common, we have nothing in common
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And this is what I mean, B.R. Nothing in common. Except the color of our skin (maybe).
This is why we manage to channel our anger, and *try to* teach what we know and learn more.
I am glad I found this blog.
My people are not the people who look like me, but the people who think in the same direction as me.
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Cornlia
“For instance, the Chinese in Africa do not behave the same as the Europeans. They learn the languages, they live in the same places as the natives, when the Europeans used to (and still do) express the belief of their superiority by not doing this (among other things).”
You are wrong africa is doomed.The Chinese want africa and no one can stop them, not in africa any way. The Chinese along with their lack of human rights and their lack of patience for incompetence this is going to get ugly.The black man of africa may be poor but at least he has resources, africa is about to get raped, the black man will not even have resources to fall back on when the Chinese get finished and I’m sure the Russians will want their slice.
“It is seeing local black workers either paid a pittance or pushed out completely in favour of Chinese labourers. And African shops are now flooded with cheap Chinese products.”
“With little fanfare, a staggering 750,000 Chinese have settled in Africa over the past decade. And more are believed to be on their way.
The strategy has been carefully devised by officials in Beijing, where one expert has estimated that China will eventually need to send 300million people to Africa to solve the problems of over-population and pollution.
The plans appear on track. Across Africa, the red flag of China is flying. Lucrative deals are being struck to buy its commodities – oil, platinum, gold and minerals.
New embassies and air routes are opening up. The continent’s new Chinese elite can be seen everywhere, shopping at their own expensive boutiques, driving Mercedes and BMW limousines, sending their children to exclusive private schools.
The pot-holed roads are cluttered with Chinese buses, taking people to markets filled with cheap Chinese goods. More than a thousand miles of new Chinese railroads are crisscrossing the continent, carrying billions of tons of illegally-logged timber, diamonds and gold.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2168507/Footage-shows-brand-new-Angolan-city-designed-500-000-lying-empty.html
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@ B.R.
I tend to believe that people that are against the lies of racism tend to be another breed in themselves. They see a different world that all racist don’t see.
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Crusader;
“africa is about to get raped”… now THAT is a statement.
Only problem is, it’s 500 years old.
You are in deep deeeeep denial. Someone says “Chinese”, *et hop*, here you are, bashing the Chinese.
Let’s talk about you and your ancestry. Which happens to be mine too.
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What I can see coming under your anti-Chinese-in-Africa rant is this all-humanitarian-belief that “You” know it all and will even SAVE the Africans ! Poor Africans ! What, are you going to invent a second “civilizing mission” BS to get at Africa again under the pretext of saving it from the “Yellow threat” ? Damn, you guys never give up, do you ?
You’re losing the African cake ? Too bad. Let Africans take care of that. They don’t need you.
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Sharina, all I can say is, those people have always felt wrong to me, I think they are against the grain of reality , not me…slowly over time, ever so slowly and with great struggle, the racists are proved over and over again to be wrong in their actions and ways and rationalsations. I just feel I am going with a flow much bigger and stronger than them.
There is no doubt, its them and their beleifs that suffer from osification , a very stiff and arcaic relic of failed beleif systems that wallow in their racism
The rest of us are moving ahead…
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@ B.R.
I completely agree with you.
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B.R., Sharina, Cornila,
Ever since I read that science article that shows that those with low intelligence are more likely to be conservative and racist, I said to myself, ‘BINGO!” It explains it all even though it’s really a no-brainer. Racists and so-called race realists (whom I consider as racists who hate being called racist but have no problem being racist) operate from an extremely low level of thinking that concludes that only physical features describe a person.
It’s the kind of caveman-style of thinking that holds them back from realizing that they are severely lost.
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Cornlia
You got it all wrong I’m not anti-Chinese-in-Africa personally I think it’s great. But it won’t be great for the black people unless you think it’s good because they will have new dumps to shop out of. 95% of what I posted on that topic was c/p from the article not a rant.You should read it it’s a great plan for the Chinese they need that land and they are entitled to it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2168507/Footage-shows-brand-new-Angolan-city-designed-500-000-lying-empty.html
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Ha ha Crusader, it’s funny how you constantly illustrate the preceding post… (Brothawolf)
Of course, I had noticed it wasn’t you talking. For once, you did use brackets (which you don’t usually do when quoting us here) and it is obviously not your writing…
Why don’t you just go and do something good for yourself. We can live without you and your kind. Go garden, why not. Maybe you will re-build the link with nature you have lost.
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Brothawolf…Ha…yes….bingo
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@ Crusader
They are also entitled to the United states. Let’s see how that goes.
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Sharina
“They are also entitled to the United states. Let’s see how that goes.”
I would love it. The Chinese lined up the heroin addicts and dealers in the streets and shot them in front of everyone, I pray they take over this cesspool.
China or Russia would be good.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/monitoring/media_reports/1408835.stm
For the record the disdain and hate toward blacks by other races is not caused by the color of your skin it’s the problems that come with it. Maybe this will not get deleted like my other posts that pointed out obvious flaws that comes with the negroid race. Let me give you an example. Let’s say red haired people are a huge problem, every time you pick up the paper,turn on the news you see where a red haired person has killed,raped,robed a black person or the red heads were running around with their pants about to fall off in front of the black elders or riding around playing loud vulgar music around black women and children, causing trouble in schools,selling drugs, stealing, spreading urban blight,flash mobs stealing,gangs, the prisons are full of the red heads, red heads account for 13% of the population yet 39.8% are on welfare and make up 40.2% of all prison inmates. Red heads look for any reason to riot which turns out to be a giant flash mob stealing everything they come up on and attacking any one that was not a red head. Now not all red heads are like that but they still stick up for the ones that are because after all they are red heads also but at the same time don’t want to live in a red head neighborhood so moves to an all black neighborhood so he don’t have to worry about his possessions while he’s at work and his children can have black friends and maybe a black mate one day all the while his young and other red heads are walking all up and down the street all night now the blacks don’t like this because they know what will come with this, but to say anything would be racist so instead you move and your house gets bought by a realtor that section 8’s the house to a red head that has a few children by different men and of coarse a man moves in with her and he has his friends over there all of the time, of coarse no one has a job, trash starts to line the street property values drop and the blacks move out. Now would you love red haired people and want them in your neighborhood? Mixing in with your family? Or would you be a racist?
brothawolf
What you and others call a racist is someone who sees the truth and then points it out the stupid people are the ones that don’t see or don’t want to see the problem.
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@ Crusader
Well let me stop you before you start sounding ignorant again (although it is too late). I am not dumb enough to think that because a person has red hair they are a bad person. Color of a person’s hair does not define them. Regardless of the stigma, I would actually still welcome that person into my neighborhood. Into my life if they are cool enough. Simple because I realize that just because a red head person commits a crime or does not want to achieve. That does not mean all red head people do not want to achieve or commit crimes.
Just because one person is bad does not make them all bad. It is similar to statistics pointing out that a majority of child molesters are white middle aged men. Should I then decided that all white men are going to molest my child? Should I prepare to shoot all white men for it?
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“I am not dumb enough to think that because a person has red hair they are a bad person. Color of a person’s hair does not define them”
WHEW! right over your head.
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Woooh, the guy is seriously grave… He doesn’t one thing. At least we have good laughs… LOL
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“get”^
About the long post on the Chinese should take over the US so that all the “criminals” can be shot…
He doesn’t even understand that we are talking about arable land, not people.
If the Chinese had to take care of all the violent dummies that people this place, he might be surprised…
But anyway, what’s the use really. These guys will always find ANYTHING to say… Zimmermann syndrome. They are the victims. Against all evidence.
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Wow, you are all deluded racists. There is zero envy of your blackness. The reason is that many blacks have a sense of entitlement and lack any real achievement. Many of you are terrible parents and rely on the state to raise your children. This irks us because we feel that we are paying for your problems.
Let slavery go. We as Whits Americans had nothing to do with it. We feel no guilt for it, while it was wrong, it was not a sin we committed nor was it committed on your person… Move on.
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@ Crusader
I think the really sad part is how far over your head it went. We can stop the metaphor. You want me to believe because some blacks have said problems then they are the problem and should not be trusted, but the point here is what some people do does not define the race as a whole. I gave you a perfect example of molesting white men and you gave me a perfect example of white racist stupidity.
Another thing that seems to go over a lot of white racist head is this belief that Asians adore them. Asians see whites as racist and I recently have seen many articles speaking out about it, so if you are happy about china taking over then I am happy for you, but don’t think they will coddle the white man.
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Charles,
One, you don’t know who you’re talking to (you just suppose)
Two, who talked about slavery here ?
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@ Charles
Let me make this cut and dry for you. If you were not the type of white to hate, demonize, fear, or look down on a black person or in short envy them,. Then you would not be in here. You would not make a long drawn out paragraph about how you are not, because people who are not do not need to explain to the world they are not. This whole blog would have slid off you and not bother you as it has apparently.
Now not one person has brought up slavery in here, but another white racist. They seem to talk about slavery more than blacks; I wonder why?
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It is interesting however that you would bring up slavery when we are talking about racism… Shows you KNOW exactly what the history is about…
Nobody is asking you to feel guilty about anything. The problem is that white-minded people feel no SHAME and continue the same BS on the next generations.
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@ Cornlia
The funny part is only the white racist seems to be bringing up slavery. LOL!
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I like your comments Sharina ! 😉
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Even more funny is how quick crusader disappears after he is made a fool out of. Darn.
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To wit, or to the dim whits … lol
“This irks us because we feel that we are paying for your problems.
Let slavery go. We as [DIM?] Whits Americans had nothing to do with it.”
******
Just saying…
: )))
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@Crusader,
So, …what if all your information about “RedHeads” in the news was inaccurate. Not a true picture..What then? Would you still be friends or would you make judgements based on distortions and lies.
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dim whits!!! LOL
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Sharina, he’s doing research to quote more stuff ’cause he can’t think by himself. He thinks it makes it look scientific when he illustrates stuff with video.
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“Crusader
Let me give you an example. Let’s say red haired people are a huge problem, every time you pick up the paper,turn on the news you see where a red haired person has killed,raped,robed a black person or the red heads were running around with their pants about to fall off in front of the black elders or riding around playing loud vulgar music around black women and children, causing trouble in schools,selling drugs, stealing, spreading urban blight,flash mobs stealing,gangs, the prisons are full of the red heads, red heads account for 13% of the population yet 39.8% are on welfare and make up 40.2% of all prison inmates.”
Linda says,
Crusader, you just described the first 200 years of the US/American colonies and it’s murderous expansion West and South, where the Indigenous population outnumbered the white occupiers by 3:1 but white people still managed to cause chaos and mayhem everywhere they went even though they were outnumbered (but not outgunned)
http://wps.pearsoncustom.com/wps/media/objects/2428/2487068/int_map/imp_0029.html
so if you want to give a more factual example, say “white people” in place of “red heads” and put Native Indians and enslaved Africans” in place of “black person” and you will be telling the TRUTH for the 1st time on this blog.
White Europeans murdered and terrorized each other, the Indigenous population, and the enslaved/free black/coloured people who had no legal protection. White people killed indiscrimately and procreated like rabbits until they managed to become majority.
US White society hit the jackpot with Jim Crow laws all the way up until the 1960’s, which gave white men a license to rape black women, kill black men and children and not be arrested or prosecuted by the US or State laws–
so if you feel as though payback is a b’tch with the Mexicans (majority mixed with Native Indian) taking back their land and the black Americans giving white American society a big “F’ck U”, then you can always leave and try to go back to Europe (your ancestors original home continent)
I am sure they will welcome you with open arms once you figure out which country your ancestors belonged to–with you white Americans being so mixed with “a little bit of this and a little bit of that”– I hear gene DNA testing is almost accurate and would be quite helpful.
If you feel as though America is your home since your ancestors went through all the trouble to commit mass murder in order to steal the land, then guess what, it’s also the home of your black American countrymen who also shed blood and died for this country… so that people like you can get on the internet and talk sh’t.
suck it up and go study your Mandarin–the Chinese are very methodical and will be coming for their US investments real soon.
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You guys need to point these morons to the Broken Record Dept, not argue with them.
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Sharina
II have no problem with the Chinese but then again I’ve only met a few. Now the Japanese I know and they have my respect a very smart,civilized people with a low crime rate.
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For the record the disdain and hate toward blacks by other races is not caused by the color of your skin it’s the problems that come with it.
I thought it was because of halitosis, thanks for correcting us!
Maybe this will not get deleted like my other posts that pointed out obvious flaws that comes with the negroid race.
I hope none of your future posts are deleted also! You are comical!
Or would you be a racist?
Is that a rhetorical question or an oxymoron? By the way, the example you give of the red heads is a moronic one.
What you and others call a racist is someone who sees the truth and then points it out the stupid people are the ones that don’t see or don’t want to see the problem.
I’m ‘racist’! Can I get a show of hands from the other ‘racist’ here? Carry on.
@charles:
Wow, you are all deluded racists.
Thanks Charles, that is a compliment coming from clueless wonders such as yourself, keep the jokes coming!
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You respect them not because they are your fellow Human beings, but because they have a low crime rate??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!
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“Charles
Wow, you are all deluded racists. There is zero envy of your blackness. The reason is that many blacks have a sense of entitlement and lack any real achievement. Many of you are terrible parents and rely on the state to raise your children. This irks us because we feel that we are paying for your problems.”
Linda say
Charles, I know what you mean. With white Americans being the majority population in the US and the largest welfare recipients, it drives me nuts that your government takes out so much money out of my paycheck to pay for these white single mothers and slackers who don’t want to work and keep blaming Obama for their failures.
White American society are the biggest entitlement babies in US—if FDR didn’t enact your entitlements and housing/farm subsidaries, your grandparents would still be living in their ghettos, back water farms, and their trailers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal
As an immigrant (legal by the way), your government has been “nickel and diming me” from day 1—I have to pay exorbitant fees to file forms (up to $1000 for some), higher fees and taxes on real estate–it just never ends…but I do my part gladly as a US taxpayer.
Make sure you don’t use Medicare or accept your Social Security checks once you retire…I don’t want any ungrateful white people living off my hard earned money that my black/brown a’s put into your financial system.
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@ Crusader
One thing I have learned about the Japanese and Asians in general is that they know how to pimp the white men and make them feel special. Do you feel special crusader? Do you? I personally think it is laughable because all the while they are secretly plotting a take over and idiots like you, who they lead to believe are important, are all but to quick to believe they have your back. I think it is justified considering the things white men have done to them. Gullible is what you are.
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Crusader,
So, what you’re saying is that the truth is all it takes is the physical appearance, which includes the color of the skin, to determine who that person is or what his or her life is worth, right?
Charles,
So, only black people are racists and whites are not, huh? Anyway, black people have accomplished many great things before and after slavery. Only a real dunce would think a whole group of people didn’t have one single great thing about them. And I wouldn’t talk about the collective racial aspect of parenthood considering that I hear a lot of news reports on incest in mostly white household, or some married white female teacher committing statutory rape on one of her students.
Who has mentioned slavery?
In any case don’t tell us to let go of slavery you, assuming you’re white, won’t let go of your sick sense of supremacy and false sense of entitlement.
Everyone,
Is it me or does it seem like the drones are coming out more than usual.
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Someguy,
You’re right. These drones all belong to the broken record department. They all say the same thing and all think alike. It’s truly like talking to the Borg from Star Trek.
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@ Crusader
Asians are not just made up of Chinese and Japanese. It is almost sad that you believe that. I also never said or asked you if you had a problem with Chinese or Japanese. What I said was…and I quote “Another thing that seems to go over a lot of white racist head is this belief that Asians adore them.”
It is a laughable amazement to me. Mainly because I have seen evidence to the contrary, yet all these whites run around convincing themselves Asians love them. Now based on your response it is obviously very much you don’t know about the Japanese. I have quite a few Japanese friends and I guess you will be in for a shock.
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@ Brothawolf
You are completely right about that. A lot of them are coming out and I am inclined to believe they may be using sock puppets because of the past incident with duck. Also because most of these individuals comment once and disappear.
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Sharina,
I think racists want non-whites to love them because they don’t love themselves. In fact I think they despise themselves and they want someone to love them based on the fact that they are white.
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I’m starting to think that as well, Sharina. They may be sock puppets, but it would be frightening to know that they are different people with the same hive mind.
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@ Brothawolf
and that is what makes white racist sad and pathetic.
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The whole “Asians hate you Blacks too” sounds awfully friggin’ familiar, doesn’t it? Hmm….
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Linda
God himself must have been racist because we were separated at one time that was God’s plan and it should still be that way. I would love to be sent back to Europe. Well as for the Indians, they should have armed themselves. They lost and that’s all it is to it. As far as the Mexicans taking any thing back, their country may implode if anything happens. One thing you can believe is that I would never rape a black anything, EEEEW. Their has been more white blood shed for this country than black blood.As for the Chinese, it will be great.
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“Linda
God himself must have been racist because we were separated at one time that was God’s plan and it should still be that way.”
and you know this “how” Crusader? is God talking to you right now as we speak? whispering in your ear.
“Well as for the Indians, they should have armed themselves. They lost and that’s all it is to it.”
Glad you agree with me that your white ancestors were a bunch of murderering thugs who invaded and slaughtered innocent people.
“As far as the Mexicans taking any thing back, their country may implode if anything happens.”
Wake up, sleeping beauty, you white Americans are all are a bunch of sheep who are still sleeping in your green pastures. Your politicians are whores to the highest paying International Corporations, so if any country is going to implode, you are living it in.
“One thing you can believe is that I would never rape a black anything, EEEEW.”
Good boy, you should stick to raping white anythings.
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Good lord, this blog is like cat nip for clueless white people hahaha.
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“Good lord, this blog is like cat nip for clueless white people hahaha.”
You forgot egotistic blacks btw.
We could use some humour, where’s Satan at?
“The whole “Asians hate you Blacks too” sounds awfully friggin’ familiar, doesn’t it? Hmm….”
Asians hate Whites aswell, so that statement is flawed. Ever had the pleasure of meeting an asian supremacist? (Not not joking either) This dude believed that east asians should “take” over the world and protect their women from the black/white savages. I was actually pretty stunned as I’ve never seen someone ever considered to be an asian supremacist, it was quite funny to see the whole mindset in a different shade.
“God himself must have been racist because we were separated at one time that was God’s plan”
Nonsense, your lineage more than likely contanes not just white ancestry if you go back far enough. Everyone is mixed, and everyone is the same .. now mindset wise is veerrrry different.
“Nobody is asking you to feel guilty about anything. The problem is that white-minded people feel no SHAME and continue the same BS on the next generations.”
Says the one who denounces any connection to the word “white”. You’ve denounced your identity, you thus no need to comment furthur on anything to do with race m’lady.
@Linda
Don’t feed the troll, they just come back in doves .. apparantly more set in their ways then before, and more religious it seems.
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linda
This line is what’s it’s about:
That’s why I refer to people like Crusader, Bob, and the rest of them as drones. It’s like attacking a bee hive and have the whole swarm on your butt, or like going up against the Borg, killing one and another pops up. You kill that one, and another pops up.
These people don’t realize that they have been screwed BIG TIME by overprivileged whites who don’t give two craps about them. They’ve been suckered into believing that they are like them because of their skin. As such, they are more likely to side with white crooks as opposed to the black community. The damage has been done, and it will take a lot on THEIR part for black people to trust them – ever.
Crusader,
If there’s one thing white racists love to do is NEVER, EVER take ANY responsibility for their, their people, or their ancestors misdeeds or crimes. They think they are blameless for any and all things and all the fault goes to the victim.
Good grief!
How about this, Crusader. How about considering that God created everyone differently because this Being many people believe in, love, and even use to justify their stupidity and hatred was creative like that – because the world would be boring if everyone’s the same?
Instead of blaming the Indians…correction First Nation peoples for not being armed as you say, why not blame your ancestors for engaging in terror against them in the first place?
Why shouldn’t the Mexicans take what was theirs to begin with. Who stole from whom?
As far as rape is concerned I won’t even go there, but Linda responded accordingly, and I thank her for that.
Give it up, Crusader.
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“Now the Japanese I know and they have my respect a very smart,civilized people with a low crime rate.”
Yeah, well, I sure the Japanese are all very happy to have your respect, Mr. Self-Important.
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Charles
If you want to argue about moral blindness, you are a prime example of that with your statements about Chicago and your overall view of us.
The truth is we are living proof of the terrible crime committed by White Americans and Europeans in the past. (Don’t even think about bringing that old “Africans had slaves too” argument) What you think black people are doing now, as you’re implying with that ‘armed robbers’ stereotype, is NOTHING compared to what whites have done. Your people have stolen WAY MORE things, tangible and intangible, than blacks ever did for as long as we were brought here against our will.
If you want to owning up the past, why not owning up to yours? I bet when you saw that word ‘slavery’ you almost peed in your pants. People like you are ashamed of your people’s history, and instead of owning up to it, you blame the victims.
Again, who needs a lesson about moral blindness?
Black people in general don’t deny anything. We know we have problems in this and in other countries. But most of us know that it wasn’t mostly the fault of ourselves. We also know that people like you are angry because some of us have the guts to talk about what you don’t want us to talk about. And we know that there are members in our community who are doing something about it. Not only that, we know that there are white people who try to do right by not succumbing to the idiotic, heartless behavior of people like you, one who believes that black people are society’s problem and never the rich, overprivileged, crooked white men creating these problems.
For the last time, who needs a lesson in moral blindness?
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Maybe Abagond should create a “Diarria of the mouth” thread…
The world looks down on black people? How about the world sucks off of black culture in a really huge massive way
You know, you can smash these people to smithereens with the sledge hammer of truth and it doesnt make any differance
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@ Charles
You did bring up slavery because the author never once mentioned it. The even more sad part about all this ( besides the fact you think you are more clever than you are) is that you believe that slavery is the only white crime. I beg to differ and I could give examples but then it would require skills to educate the mentally retarded.
Secondly you bring up that I am wrong, but truly have no clue what I have said to be wrong. Now if you concluded my evaluation of you makes me wrong then so be it, but it was not. Several white individuals are actually in here and several white individuals visit this site and out of the ones that did not feel envy or any type of jealously….they were all quite pleasantly curious and actually very pleasant to speak with. None of them made assumptions or stereotypes, but then again they could actually read; which is something I noticed you can’t do very well.
Now if you had chosen to address the Author then it is as simple as saying @Abagond which you so happily did with us and did not do with him, so that makes you free for all in here. Your reverse psychology does not work here, but you can go to white racist boards because I hear they are too slow to know any better.
Lastly if you were getting a good laugh then why so serious and why so angry at what is being said? You are a big contradiction.
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Charles
I didn’t once respond in anger. I don’t allow mentally challenged individuals to make me angry, so while you are getting all hot under the collar don’t convince yourself Iam. I never rioted a day in my life and if you actually know history then you will know that during the riots most blacks stayed indoors. The one that made that choice were out destroying things. I can’t attest to chicago or the black on black murder rate, but I am sure you can provide statistics right??
“YPU DP IT TO YOURSELVES.”—Spelling issues here; no surprise. I don’t do it to anything because I haven’t committed a crime or been to Chicago, etc. But since I am black I guess I must have right??? I guess that will be my new line for the white child molesters. Except I will be clear to use proper spelling. ROFL because you had the nerve to misspell using caps.
“We love you little guys, always the butt of the joke and you don’t even know it.”—Oh the world loves you racist guys too. Always the butt of a joke and too stupid to know it. Prime example is in here. LOL!!
I bet you are going to kick yourself when you realize what moral blindness is actually talking about, but no worries we like it when you are the butt of a joke and you don’t even know it. LMFAO!!
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@ Yawn
““Nobody is asking you to feel guilty about anything. The problem is that white-minded people feel no SHAME and continue the same BS on the next generations.”
Says the one who denounces any connection to the word “white”. You’ve denounced your identity, you thus no need to comment furthur on anything to do with race m’lady. ”
Says the one who orders other people around.
My dear, denying white-minded people the right to define me doesn’t mean that I am blind to the effects of “race”, on the contrary. And that will give up talking about it and learning about it. Even and especially if it bothers people like you.
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@ Yawn
I have never meet an Asian that hates black only, but I have meet one that hates whites and blacks and any group that is not them, so your statement is a bit flawed as well. Although because crusader claims to know so much I figured he could figure out the rest himself and because you claim to know so much I figured you might be able to as well, but I guess I have bad judgement.
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One “east-Asian” person (what ever that means) doesn’t represent all “east-Asians”.
One “Asian” doesn’t represent all “Asian’ (the American reference to Asian being EXTREMELY broad and therefore racist, just a way to not say “yellow”).
There are people commenting here who are of all origins, classified as “black”, “white”, “Asian” and probably also “Hispanic” (then separated into “black” and “white” by the American colonial color line) and others.
What is interesting is to notice that two posters already “assumed” that our commenting against them (white racists) makes us all “black”… Just saying.
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@ yawn
And for future references….when white racist come in with their I know all then I like to challenge it and part of that challenge is them figuring it out themselves. It is no fun if you come in and decide to correct someone by telling it all because you feel the author of the post is wrong.
Also there was a Asian journalist who many believed was crazy. He hated blacks and whites and had even gained a hate for Asian because of the way they let whites treat them (as if they were afraid of them). Now I am sure from your funny story that you did not get the jist of what this guy was truly saying. I wish the whites would get rid of the blacks and once that is done they would get rid of the whites.
I have only met one of these and have read about a few examples of these, but like any other racist hey have the same mindset.
Oh and another thing even though you come in here and jive on the “egotistic blacks” you really are no different. You jump to respond to any and everything and have little or no clue what is going on and even at time what is being said. I think you need to learn patience and let all be revealed before you jump in and ruin the big kicker.
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Yawn
I read back through and I think I may have misread something and if I have just ignore my last post.
I have an extreme tendency to need to break people; like crusader and Charles; into small bits of nothing and verbally piss on them once I do. It has become a process for me and I reveal small parts until they are at the breaking point. I thought you were revealing one of my points in regards to Asian’s loving whites, so I was a bit bothered. I was wrong though.
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I would like to point at something that is of importance to me. These are just ideas, not convictions.
“Asians” are not referred to as “yellow”. I have never studied why exactly, but I have an idea that it may be because they have never endorsed the definition of them “whites” coined. They do not let them imprison them and their mind inthe frame of race.
That is why I think it’s a solution. It seems to be working. They also apparently reject the “Asian” globalizing notion.
Except Asian-Americans, who, being Americans for one or many more generations, “have to” align themselves with “the law”.
What do you think ? In relation to the topic: why do whites “seem” not to hate, demonize, fear or look down on “Asians” as much as they do “blacks” ?
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Yawn,
Actually you were revealing some parts,but it did not seem intentional once I read it again, so again I was wrong.
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@ Cornlia
It would be a great topic but crusader was even more great at illustrating why whites are like that. They believe Asians fear them and love them in their fear. They tend to view Asians as weak. Also I think it is the idea of that white racist see blacks as a threat. They don’t realize that the real threat already has them by the balls.
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I know many have mentioned the collective mindset of racist, but I was shock to see that indicator in other chats I have been in. As of late I have been looking at my soap opera’s. Particularly the Bold and the Beautiful. Now one particular lady made the choice to make personal attacks on individuals instead of solely debating the soaps. In this her response was that no one likes you. I saw another young lady say similar things like you treat everyone like this. Now I laughed because I had just got through talking to several other individuals on the board, respectfully.
Now with racist that seems to be the running theme. (insert race/ethnicity) don’t like Blacks.
I noticed with the women I encounter they seem to have low self-esteem and can not stand a debate on their own. They always have to resort to tactics that require them to get personal so they feel like they are winning. Of course one woman called me a N***er because she could not get under my skin, but it amazed me how weak minded she was. How she spent days following me from thread to thread trying to start an argument only to find herself disappointed at the loss. Waiting for me to slip up so she can have a chance at winning a debate against me. Got so bad she finally started putting words in my mouth.
Anyway I see that pattern in here with the white racists.
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Sharina wrote: “They always have to resort to tactics that require them to get personal so they feel like they are winning”.
Yep, typical. Every time. Sometimes they manage to retain it for a while, but then it just flows like vomit. As a “white” poster, I always get the “you are the ignorant one”. Recently from a guy who supposedly had a Master in Archeology and maintained that Egypt was and had always been “Mediterranean”, against all evidence. I asked him for scientific arguments to support his claim, he kept coming at me calling me “idiot”, “thick brains”, “stupid”, “I can’t believe how stupid you are”… blah blah blah.
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Hi,
Stumbled across your blog a few days ago and I just want to thank you, as I’ve found it very informative and interesting.
However, this post made me a little uncomfortable. And some of the comments made me very uncomfortable! Just as I would take a stand at anything saying there was a problem with black people, I feel the same about saying there is a problem with white people. Some whites are racist, yes. Some POC are racist too, it seems. There are so many issues with the statement “whites are demonic.”
I don’t take a stand against black racism. I take a stand against racism, judging anyone based on the colour of their skin. You are posting about how white people think. What white people? All of them? It’s very problematic to make generalisations like that.
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“There are so many issues with the statement “whites are demonic.””
Gemma
Please show exactly where you found the above quote… and then perhaps we can discuss those “so many issues” regarding YOUR quote.
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Hi Gemma.
I think you can go through the comments to notice that there are people here who are “officially” (by white supremacist laws) classified as “whites” who 1) do not classify themselves as such (I am one of them) , 2) are very much aware nonetheless of the very real effects on many post-colonial societies such as France and the US of the idea of race, 3) do recognize that there is something really really wrong with “whiteness”.
To conclude, there are racists in this world as it functions these except in small pockets where “non-whites” rule, “racists” are white supremacists, which doesn’t mean that *all* light-skinned of Europeans descent are racist, BUT unfortunately, most are (that is my opinion and my personal experience that tells me that).
Many of those who claim to not be racists and yet don’t see “why we should always talk about this and slavery and colonization” are racists. Otherwise they would realize that part of the problem is that we do not look back to understand what went wrong.
There ARE many white-minded people who DO hate, demonize, fear or look down on “blacks”… and other human groups, mostly with dark-skin, or for mythical reasons, such as the way Jews were viewed in Europe for many centuries.
Why always call the “Some POC are racist too” when people are trying to understand WHY so many behave and/or claim their white supremacy ? Why not take care of THAT problem first and THEN, look at WHY “Some POC are racist too” ? Couldn’t it be a reaction to ALL the things they have had to endure generations after generations (and not so long ago and still today ???) ?
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And the label “racist” is usually being used here as a pure definition: “A person who believes at some level, the doctrine that a certain race is superior to another or all others.” Most people when they say “racist” don’t necessarily mean that the person belongs to the Klan, Nazis, or Skinheads, they just have an underlying belief that certain groups tend to be superior to certain others and that it has something to do with their race.
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OMG! This David character thinks he knows all about Black people. He had just contradicted himself. He said there are some racist white, but not all. Well then, not all Black people are bad. You can’t generalize a whole race of people just because you had a few bad experiences with Blacks. Yes, some black people are loud, rude just like there are loud and rude and evil White people. People like him is the reason why we have racism in this so call great USA. He doesn’t know what it’s like to be Black here in America. He doesn’t want to admit that Whites, not all, are racist.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with black people other than the bad patch of history they are going through, its side effects and the ordinary human failings. It is white people who have a deep crack in their souls.
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To the racists,
First of all, I thank each and every one of you who took the time to post messages in response to abagond’s original post. As a Black student at a highly prestigious west coast university (take that, White envy!), it is posts like these that keep the fire burning within Black American souls to never forget what the past, and obviously present, still blatantly represent in the actions and thoughts of many White Americans.
Second, please, I ask you to keep posting. In all honesty, the opinions, comebacks, youtube videos, and rants of racial superiority are a goldmine to those who know that many (though not all) use the internet to type things to an unseen audience they would not actually dare say to the same audience in real life if standing in front of them. Again, please keep posting. The propaganda is highly useful to the cause of educating the minds of young progressive Americans of all ethnicities and backgrounds who seek a better world for all, not just for the privileged few.
To those who see this education as “indoctrination”, well, I say to you, of course it is brainwashing. But no less than the brainwashing built into minds of many “all-american old’ timers” who believe that homosexuals and mixed race couples are doomed for eternal fire because one “true book” out the ( *insert an integer here that approximates the thousands of historical religious philosophies*) says so.
I have to go now. Myself and several friends are going to “indoctrinate” more young souls (many of which are probably your children) into believing the message of social justice and equality. But again, to the racists, don’t go anywhere. Keep posting, believe every word you say, and leave your children to us.
Cheerio!
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black people are 13% of the population but 80% of the prison population over in the USA. Blacks are known around the world to be dumb, poor, violent and destructive to even their own people.
I own a business and blacks have told me they called me to by their properties rather than sell it through an agent or a black investor becuase they are afriad of getting scammed. I have bought hundreds of properties fom blacks and fixed them up and sold them to white families. Where I invest the poor blacks are being pushed out by rising prices.
Blacks in Costa Rica and Panama are kept on the carribean side because they can’t even figure out how to get plumbing, legitimate businesses…..civilazation. In colombia they all live in Choco…poor… really poor…Hut living poor! In Chile and Argentina the blacks were so poor they have all died of disease. Seriously….google the vanished blacks on southern south america.
SOURCE: Spaniard that invests throughout the world. Thanks for reading!
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google 100 lies and one fact about negros. No puedo vivir a lado de los negritos.
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@ Juan
That is funny considering a white guy on another blog just argued down an Asian guy that whites are the majority in prison. Also funny is that I am black and prefer to do business with blacks or whoever I feel I like.What is also very funny is that considering I am suppose be dumb poor, violent, and destructive. I have 3 degrees, I live in a fairly nice house in a fairly nice majority black neighborhood., I never had a record or was violent against anyone let alone other blacks. Amazes me even more is that these same violent and dumb black people you so claim sold you their properties.
Now you are trying to use examples of other countries to justify your response of blacks, yet it sounds really like you don’t even know all blacks. hmmm…
Even more funny is the fact that you are acting like they are suppose to invent plumbing, or they should by all accounts have some type of business (which I thought was a choice not a requirement) and you have decided what constitutes civilization. LOL!!!
Yea talk to me when you learn to realize that things cost money and you need money in order to get them. Thing don’t just fall from the sky and considering they are poor blacks I see why they are not putting money on those things that you seem to hold so much value to. I would spend less time looking down on people and more time trying to help fix the problem.
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@ Juan
100 lies and one fact about negros. Is actually full of lies and has been proven so. #1 pre-clovis people were some of the first individual to not only reach Americas but also travel the world with no fear of the flat world.Asian and blacks actually invented most of the things on fact #1 and if you go to the white inventor blog I have links to prove that.
fact#2 is also incorrect as the white inventor blog page has an extensive list and dates that pre-date white inventors
fact#3-#5 I hate to disappoint but even that is wrong. Black females have graduated valedictorian at the high schools here for some years now. even now and then the individual will be a white female. It may even alternate each year. We have more white students having to retake test to pass.
Now I could go on but as of now I do not have the time, but it is that kind of ignorance that messes up he world.
I have had whites tell me Hispanics are stupid, dirty, and only god to clean yards etc. So should I think the same about you.
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Wow what sheer stupidity. The vast majority of white folks aren’t racist at all. It is the deep hatred and bias that black folks enable among each other – and is reinforced by some naive white people who reinforce more black hatred. Any rhetoric that assigns blame for racism to one particular race of people clearly reflects no understanding of what racism actually is. What’s worse is rhetoric tries to excuse one’s own “race” from the rest of human nature by claiming they “can’t be racist”. This ridiculous notion couldn’t be more fundamentally racist. And stupid.
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“The vast majority of white folks aren’t racist at all.”
*more broken record fodder!*
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Apparently Sammy, the Bizzaro universe in which YOU AND “the vast majority of whites folks..” clearly reside, the word “racist” has a completely different meaning than it has in THIS universe.
Nonetheless, if this plethora of whites you speak of are in anyway similar to you, then they aren’t just hardcore, subtle, passive or quiet racists, but deluded (and BLIND) liars as well!
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Wow amazing how this post generated so much interest. After reading Message To The People The Course in African Philosophy by Marcus Garvey written in 1937 and edited by Tony Martin in the late 80’s and the more recent How to Deal with white People by David Goldberg. It is clear that most people really don’t know what they are talking about. The comments here just point in that direction. What a bunch of bigots what a great blog.
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@ Sammy
I don’t remember anyone excusing black racism in here. I also don’t remember this blog referring to all whites either, but I am glad you managed to prove to others in the room the point that the whole blog was making. It is always the slow learners that seem to not get it and then get on some high horse about it.
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@ Matari
co-sign
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To the blacks on this blog:
Why do you continue to be lead into a verbal altercation with enemies? Cut them from your life and move onward. We have more important things to worry about than people who hate themselves and take it out on us!
What I find most disheartening is the non-black Coloureds who side with whites. When will they ever learn that this is just apart of the game called Divide and Conquer?
History never lies.
Can we blacks just focus on each other and stop wasting time with parasites? We have work to do and time is running out. Study the Roman Empire. ALL OF IT. If you want to learn what whites are up to, the Roman Empire, which is what modern day AmeriKlan really is, will tell you outright what they are:
Thinking
Saying
Doing
Planning
There’s no more time for foolishness.
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White people just want to feel like they have a safe & secure future on this planet, like everybody else. Black people (because of many of their behavior & attitudes, represent a very real threat to this). The Zionist Media doesn’t do Black people any favors either. Your writing is good but fraught with hypocrisy.
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The teachings of the Jewish “Talmud” & the “curse of ham” have probably corrupted Western society & Christianity a bit as well. Generally, people are fearful & apprehensive about Blacks because of their fiery temperaments & aggressive nature that they are “world renowned” for.
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“White people just want to feel like they have a safe & secure future on this planet, like everybody else. Black people (because of many of their behavior & attitudes, represent a very real threat to this). The Zionist Media doesn’t do Black people any favors either. Your writing is good but fraught with hypocrisy.”
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Hey Aussie Bob
Let’s tell the truth by: Flipping your script
BLACK people just want to feel like they have a safe & secure future on this planet, like everybody else. WHITE people (because of many of their PAST AND CURRENT behavior & attitudes, represent a very real threat TO THE ENTIRE GLOBE ). The *WHITE* RUN Media doesn’t do ANYONE any favors either. Your writing is EXCELLENT AND FULL OF REALITIES THAT I (AS A WHITE PRIVILEGED MALE AUSSIE) SADLY, AM INCAPABLE OF FULLY UNDERSTANDING!
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Aussie Bob wrote:
“White people just want to feel like they have a safe & secure future on this planet, like everybody else”.
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I’m sure the Aboriginals of Australia (and the native of the Americas, of Alaska, of Hawaii, of New Zealand, of India and of various African nations etc), as well as the neighboring native Tasmanians, (while the still existed) held the self same sentiments as white people just before they were subjugated, and / or exterminated by white people.
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There’s something wrong with all people. I’m mixed race, i’ve been treated like some sub-human abomination by both whites and blacks in my lifetime. From what i’ve gathered in my life, whites and blacks are just as pathetic, unworthwhile, directionless and retarded as each other.
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” just before they were subjugated, and / or exterminated by white people.”
When stuff such as the UN and human rights never existed, completely different than today. Yet, you have situations like Syria where half the world doesn’t seem to care what happens to those innocent folks.
“represent a very real threat TO THE ENTIRE GLOBE”
Nonsense, typical of you. You and your kind are a threat to the globe. Walking around inciting hate needlessly. Thank god the younger folks who grow up in multiculturalism hopefully will never learn to think like you sad people.
“I don’t remember anyone excusing black racism in here”
Actually Matari and a few others have excused black racism, specifically against whites by saying blacks can’t be racist. That’s nonsense and anyone with a brain could tell you that. Also by claiming racism against other non-whites by blacks is simply the course of internalized racism, again excusing racism for something else that doesn’t paint any responsibility on the person.
And how’s calling out folks who don’t agree with your view uncle toms? I’m sure Thomas Sowell enjoys that so much as a black person to hear other blacks pushing him to the “them’ status.
“What I find most disheartening is the non-black Coloureds who side with whites.”
What I find disheartening is the view that you project of “us vs them” and expect everyone else to share that view. Not everyone will have your personal experiences and problems, so generalising every single non-white who doesn’t follow your ass as siding with whites is beyond pathetic.
Hell, I came to see some exciting topics from Abagond and again it goes downhill with the same bunch of sad folks repeating the same crap over and over and over with a different cover.
Goddamn, I’m happy I stopped coming here. I’ve never felt better about myself or the world knowing that bigots are few and far.
Enjoy the hatefest, especially from the ones who constantly repeat it without any new developments.
@Abagond
Hopefully you find whatever enlightenment you’re seeking, but sticking around some of these folks will just set you back.
Well, have fun though. I might read up on your threads from time to time but I will never ever look at any of these comments again, some of the typical commenters truly disgust me. Since I stopped coming here and caring what others think I’ve learned to look at other people and place myself in their shoes and to try and empathize with others, even if I see them as “different” (It’s really hard to get over that though flowing through your head whenever you see someone not of your race, but I’ll manage hopefully).
@Shar
“I thought you were revealing one of my points in regards to Asian’s loving whites, so I was a bit bothered. I was wrong though.”
You were right actually. I was revealing before, as I’m sure I am now. Being around some of these commenters has impacted my mind in a bad way. Seeing as much of my discomfort here came from American posters, I actually started feeling more and more racist the more I came and read posts from those folks. I’ve personally walked by non-whites before and have judged them as I’ve walked by but after being here for a while I truly did start to walk why thinking “Why are these people here, here ruining my life”. In a place like Toronto of all places., where our diversity is something to be proud of, not ashamed of or hated.
My comment I made that you posted that up there was actually shortly after said incident, I truly felt that (east)asians were indeed the only ones we could have some sort of connection with, and blacks being the least.
I’ve had time to think, and I was severely wrong. I wasn’t taught that growing up, and I’ve never really had thoughts like that. I will admit my family even though being mixed can and sometimes do be racist in regards to how they talk about others but I generally see myself as being better than to give in to those notions. That was one thing I learned to see, something I usually ignore and never gave a thought about but now do. So I did learn something.
I’ve got a lot to learn, but I’d rather do it on familiar terms.
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@ Yawn
You know what’s funny? You constantly cry about the unfairness of this blog and how blacks are so racist, yet you cannot keep away. Typical European. I know what’s troubling you, Yawn. You want desperately to be melaninated once again. Looking in the mirror and seeing whiteness is torture, isn’t it? At least if you resembled “one of us”, you’d have some say in our discussions. But, sadly, you do not.
Your hidden white dynamic is constantly being unraveled, talked about, deconstructed and theorized. Blacks are no longer in fear of the pasty-skinned European who wishes to destroy us. Even your fellow albinos are distancing themselves from their whiteness because they understand that it’s a disease that will cause them insurmountable misery. ( Except Randy. He’s too far gone) We’re fighting back through continuous education, group meetings, lectures, blogs, interviews, talk radio and classroom discussions. And you can’t handle it.
Too effing bad for you.
You ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.
Centuries of injustice is blowing up in your faces and your grip on sanity is becoming more and more loose. That’s why your kind is blowing up buildings and churches, desperate to lessen the brown population. Even Dr. Robert Jensen, a white man, openly admits that the world’s biggest problem is white people.
Ever since the day my foremother spawned that genetic mutation that she cast out of Africa, the entire world has whimpered in pain. 8% of the entire population causes 92% of its problems. No wonder your people are screaming mad. You’ve known all along that you are your biggest problem. Just like we had to endure centuries of torment, it’s your turn, buddy.
Cry me a river.
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@ Yawn
Good luck on the soul searching.
“And how’s calling out folks who don’t agree with your view uncle toms? I’m sure Thomas Sowell enjoys that so much as a black person to hear other blacks pushing him to the “them’ status.”
It has nothing to do with whether an individual agrees with the person or not. Uncle Tom’s were individuals who “are slavish and excessively subservient to perceived authority figures, particularly a black person who behaves in a subservient manner to white people; or any person perceived to be a participant in the oppression of their own group.” Thomas Sowell is considered an uncle tom basically because he excuses whites and hold blacks accountable for things they are not. He considered certain things acceptable for whites where he does not consider it acceptable towards blacks. I did research into the dislike of him by the black community and this seems to be the reason many feel the way they do towards him.
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blacks are generous,i dont hate whites but i tink they are thieves,self centerd people.who cnt acept thier mistakes.they nt even shy to travel into african lands 4 tourism,afta they destroyed everything we had.they claime we are natin,yes they hate us,il 4reva hate whites,cuz i knw my past,and i hav buildings,castles,and history as evidence.bomboclot
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Regardless of color or race, People who dont respect themselves by educating themselves, and who talk like fools, dress like thugs, aspire to be gangsters and think that is cool, and who expect society to solve all their problems instead of manning up and taking advantage of the opportunities provided to them, I cannot respect. That goes for Whites, Blacks, Asians, Or anyone out there who falls into this category. There are plenty of people of all races, backgrounds, economic situations, and who have been oppressed who have gotten out of it and made something of themselves. No freaking excuses. Excuses are for the weak.
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The racism and stereotyping in this forum is sickening. All of us should be as one instead of US People and YOU People. What the hell is wrong with some of you.
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Sharina:
Thomas Sowell is considered an uncle tom basically because he excuses whites and hold blacks accountable for things they are not.
Whatever you may think of him, one of the best rebuttals to the differences in the Black/White IQ came from Thomas Sowell. He pointed out that (per tests given by the US military…) Northern Black IQs at least until WWII, were higher than Southern White IQs. He also notes that the roughly 15-point gap in contemporary black–white IQ scores is similar to that between the national average and the scores of particular ethnic white groups in years past.
He considered certain things acceptable for whites where he does not consider it acceptable towards blacks.
In his book “Black Rednecks, White Liberals” he argues that much of the so called negative “Black ghetto” behavior can be traced directly to Southern Whites:
“As late as the 1940s and 1950s, he argues, poor Southern rednecks were regarded by Northern employers and law enforcement officials as lazy, lawless, and sexually immoral. This pattern was repeated by blacks with whom they shared a subculture in the South. Over the last half century poor whites and most blacks have moved up in class and affluence, but the ghetto remains filled with black rednecks.”
Whether you agree with or not at root I think he presents interesting rebuttals to not only the left (White and Black..) but to conservatives and racist Whites.
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Uncle Milton
I don’t think anything of him really because I don’t know or care enough about him to draw a conclusion. I read one thing on him because I was asked to by duckduckgoofs and have not went any further since. My statement was in conjunction with the reasoning why other blacks feel the way they feel about him (blacks I have spoken to mainly online.)
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[…] at the end of the day and why? Oh, but we're talking about gender inequality.. why did I mention racism? It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic… Doesn't it? It's not important enough to talk […]
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Blacks are dumb, scientifically proven to have large sculls and small brains. They want to aspire to do many things, but achieve very few. I can’t think of any black physicist? Can you?
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@Sharina,
Your name gives it away. Your black high schools are trash filled with big hair big butt black bimbos. Please, it’s not La Jolla High school, your A$$$ would have been kicked out before you even hit the zip code.
Also, it’s Asians (Chinese and Indians) that have invented language and math, NOT blacks – fuktard get that right!
Please, stay in your place,and remember where you belong – at the back of the bus.
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Pooja, Neil DeGrasse Tyson is a Black physicist and a prominent one. Math was invented by the Sumerians and the Egyptians as well as language. Egyptians are Africans. You sound like a sad, lonely and bitter person who is ignorant of the most rudimentary of ancient history as well as modern. Ignorance hurts you, hurts others and opens you up to extreme ridicule. It sounds like you hate Black people. Perhaps you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why you feel the need to call people “fucktards”. Are you unable to debate in a highbrow intellectual manner? Why are you calling names like a young child? Are we all “big meanie poo poo heads” now, Pooja? For the love of Yah, please get your head, heart and spirit right. Because that hateful thing isn’t a good look for you.
Oh and Mark Dean holds 3 of IBMs original 9 patents. He lead the team that invented the gigahertz computer processing chip. Which enabled people, like yourself Pooja, to own a personal computer that doesn’t take up space the size of a city block. Good day to you.
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@ Pooja
You are sad. I went to school with majority white. Was honor student, cant relate to your stereotype.
Did I say who invented language and math? I think not.
Don’t hate because I can and have taken your place. Learn to read and you might be able to kiss my feet.
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I wish whites never found you, you would still live in Africa in tribes, doing your rituals, dancing around and hunting like homo erectus did a lot of thousands of years ago.
I wish they never took you to their countries, never had to interbreed with you. I wish whit people weren’t that posh to think they were superior to enslave you.
I just wish us, white people, would be in apartheid from the rest of the races and we would simply keep doing our thing, evolving and getting technologically advanced while the rest of you would still live the way you did.
I hate it that you guys live in a western way and will always put the blame on us.
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Pooja and Demon,
I feel sorry for you. You’re hating black people for being…nonwhite people. It’s saddening.
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Totaly co-sign with Darq beauty, Sharina and Brothawolf
layering pollyrhtyms is advanced mathamatics , by the way
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Demon, if your ancestors had felt that way instead of stealing everyone’s lands, committing genocide and spreading disease, then perhaps your wish would be a reality. But then if wishes were horses, beggars would ride. Perhaps if your ancestors had been more clear headed and less blood and land thirsty, then everyone would be sitting in their beautiful unspoiled lands enjoying truly green living.
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Ok – just stumbled into this. You guys are nuts. Stop being so paranoid. Attributing past occurrences to current mentalities is beyond ridiculous. Racism only exists among the ignorant folks. Learn to look past pigment and you will see that either side has an incredible amount to offer. Stop hating because it only hold YOU back. done.
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Well since we people of color are “nuts” perhaps you would listen to Tim Wise who says the EXACT same thing. Only he’s believable and his words have credence because he’s white.
When someone describes a sunburn as painful, I don’t dismiss it because it’s never happened to me. However, when we speak amongst OURSELVES, we can’t have a candid conversation without someone trying to downplay or degrade the validity of our experiences and concerns. Must be nice to live in such a privileged world. Must be nice….
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@ doneANDdone.
Thank you for reminding us of your ignorance. I shall take into consideration that you are nuts.
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This discussion serves nothing but to promote hatred. I say this; there is not a person on this earth that is not right in his or her own mind. If you want racism to stop, stop teaching it to the children. Remember, wisdom is justified by what?
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@ James
Yet another patron Who lacks comprehensive skills.
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I will tell you why white people hate blacks seem no one wants to say it out loud. They make us hate them by saying “oh why isnt there atleast one black person on tv” or “oh people are sooo racist” using the race card on everything which makes the racism accumulate. Al Sharpton for starters he is the worst person that is alive. They will use the race card to get whatever they want. They make more babies than i can change my socks. Oh but they can have an ALL black school thats not racist though oh no. But im sure if we had an all white school there goes the racist card.Pulease I didnt have to learn it from my parents or friends I hear it and see it every where. I can say some of them are good that actually work and make a living for themselves but Im going to tell you alot of them are not. Of course with all that baby making they love to use welfare.
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@ Ashley
I guess that makes you blind and deaf.
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Ashley
Good lord, you seemed to have played every trick in the white girl’s handbook to racism except for bursting into tears. Though I’m sure if you return (which none of the ignorant white people who keep reviving this topic EVER have), you’ll pull that card out too.
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freedom of speech tehnoun you can kiss theirs but im not your weak lol your not even worth my time anymore.
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@ Ashley
um do you care to make a complete sentence? And not worth your time but you gave notification just to return to see what the blacks are saying about you??? LOL!!!!
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Ashley,
Punctuation, child. Learn to use it.
And drop the freedom of speech crap. That’s the default fallback argument for people who realize they’ve said something stupid. I don’t recall freedom of speech meaning that you were free from criticism of any and all stupid things you say or do.
And realizing and recognizing the truth is not, and I quote, “kissing theirs”. The weak one here is the girl who refuses to see past her carefully constructed fantasy world that exists as an excuse for her mindless hatred, aka you.
But look at me, I’m talking to you as if you’re a rational human being that can be reasoned with. Clearly I’m wasting my own time just as much as I’m apparently wasting yours.
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It’s not only whites that hate blacks. No one likes them. Hell, they even hate themselves!
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@ wayne
Typical white racist response. LOL. You know you racist get dumber and more naive day in and day out. I guess it it that election bitterness that is driving you trolls in here. smh
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I’m loving your guys responses I think their great laughable lol. I am so glad you guys are offended. Now I am going to join back to my white people and laugh at all your responses because thats what we do.
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@ Ashely
Trust me honey we are laughing too. Because there is nothing funnier than an uneducated White telling blacks they are uneducated. LMFAO. Now in regards to being offended I don’t need to be because like all racist whites you are WRONG. Just like you claim we were not worth your time yet you are in here day in and day out. too pathetic and just too darn funny. smh
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@ tehnoun
I think you hit a nerve with Ashley because she is back. LOL!!
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Ashley,
At this point you’re not even trying. At least you learned about punctuation marks, even if you can’t seem to get a grasp on using them well. Whatever, it’s a waste of time to keep posting in a dead topic responding to a twelve year old. G’day, and I hope you stick around and entertain us as much as we’ve entertained you. 😉
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Sharina,
The more nerves I hit, the better, I say. Watching trolls flounder when they’re forced to deal with the crap they give other people is too much fun.
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This doesn’t leave much hope for humanity, does it?
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@ Lisa
That depends on what you mean by that. In fact the thread is not talking about all whites, but you can always tell the whites that it does apply to by the responses they give. I actually find it funny. More so when you get those that try to convince you they are not racist yet say the most outright racist things. I get even more of a giggle out of the fact that none of what they say applies to me or any of the blacks in this room.
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Blacks are really no more hated nor loved than any other race of people. It’s only in black peoples MINDS that they are the most hated or loved of people. Only in their minds. THAT is how blacks in this modern culture have been conditioned and brainwashed.
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@ Samhain
Do point to where it says most hated? Seems like it is only in your MIND.
Speaking of in peoples mind…I had the unfortunate pleasure of running into a site full of whites hating blacks (nothing new). The guy said there is nothing worse than an educated black that speaks proper English and dresses well. That was so funny considering a few mindless racist drones said all blacks are uneducated.
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@ a white man
I deleted your comment due to its use of racial slurs:
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you deleted my comment because it put the truth in your racist face.
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The trolls seem to be on a roll as of late.
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Also, you would delete it again if i posted it without any swearing, and i know why….because im white. because you can always find time to feed the flames of hatred. you can always find reason to believe in things you dont really know about or understand. it is folks like you that keep racism alive
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I agree LMAO!!
” it is folks like you that keep racism alive”–Says the man that got deleted for using racial slurs.
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a white man
You didn’t need to pick such an obvious name, dear. It’s obvious to anyone reading your comment.
Also, there have been other white people, myself included, who post here without getting our comments deleted due to chronic idiocy.
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LOL @ White man whining about being deleted and calling Abagond racist..while using racist slurs! Wow, we got a bright one here folks!
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‘White man whining about being deleted and calling Abagond racist..while using racist slurs!’ excuse me, did you see it happen? no? guess what racist sympathizer, i never said ANY slur. she deleted it because it contained researched facts going against what she believes. no joke….
also, friend, if you cant see the obvious white-bashing going on here i dont know what to say. look at her hate-ridden article:
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Narcissism – having no true sense of self-worth they put up a false front to persuade the world, and most of all themselves, that they do have worth. They mainly do this through money, but also by putting down others to make themselves look better. Deep down they know the whole thing is a lie, which makes them all the more desperate to uphold the front.
Dichotomous thinking – either/or thinking. Their films often have characters who are either all good or all evil. When you ask them about it they say that of course they know the world is not that simple, that it is just a storytelling device. Yet much of their thinking is very either/or, black-or-white. The One Drop Rule is a good example. So is their idea that they are Basically Good, getting upset when you point out anything that does not fit that overblown self-image. Like that maybe they are racist. Worst of all, it means they cannot accept people who are too different: if you are not the same as us then there must be something wrong with you. Either/or.
Moral blindness – this is huge. Every single black person in the eyes of white people is the sign of a terrible crime from their ugly past, a reminder that their life is a fraud, that they are pretty much nothing more than armed robbers. But #1 and #2 make it hard for them to simply own up to their past and make it right. Instead they deny, shift blame, lie, twist facts and make black people into these creatures that they look down on, laugh at and yet, oddly, fear. It is a failed attempt to be at peace with themselves. This is why whites need to give reparations more than blacks need to receive it.”
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@ a white man
LOL. Keep going. You get funnier each post. Researched facts LMAO. Where do these trolls get this mess???
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If you got your comment deleted by Abagond, it was for good reason. Abagond has the patience of a saint when it comes to dealing with “race realists”. However, despite your sense of entitlement, you can’t come here and tell Abagond how to run his blog. If he makes the call to delete your comment, then you just have to deal with it. You have the option of leaving. No one made you come here.
They make it so we have to create safe spaces for ourselves, then hey turn around and invade the very space you created to get away from them. They “hate” us so much, that they follow us to the depths of cyber space. Damn, they’re like stalker ex boyfriends who hate you because you broke up with them…but can’t leave you the hell alone. 😛
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Abagond, my comment was caught in moderation. Thanks!
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also, friend, if you cant see the obvious white-bashing going on here i dont know what to say. look at her hate-ridden article:
Ms. Abagond is looking for a white man, in reality, this post is her plaintive plea for one(‘she’ doth protest too much). ‘She’ needs a strong white man such as yourself to show ‘her’ what day it is, you appear to be such a candidate with your erudition, grammar, and other writing capabilities. Best of all you are white! Ms. Abagond, like all black women needs a man to treat her as she deserve. Who better than a white man such as yourself? Many of these online ‘romances’ leads to happy marriages. Why don’t you send ‘her’ your email address. You can get together over a coffee and discuss her ‘racism’. Who knows maybe you’ll be able to win ‘her’ over with you amatory skills! Get real buddy!
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dont you get it?!?! YOU ARE THE ONE forcing yourself to create a ‘safe place’. YOU, NOT ANYONE ELSE.
when you say ‘they’, -YOU- are DIRECTLY implying a separation of some sort, thereby creating it.
THERE IS NO ‘THEY’, ONLY ‘US’.
listen darqbeauty…there was a war fought partially over this. can you please… show respect to the honored dead. do NOT say ‘they’. do NOT let the women, men and children who fought the civil war be slandered, as they are EVERY TIME YOU MAKE A DISTINCTION between races. every time you say ‘THEY.’
i would fight another war and die horribly if it meant blacks could just shut up about the fact that they are different; i really would kill suffer and die if meant the cessation of suffering for a large group of people, any time, any color, whether I knew them or not. thing is, YOU ALREADY HAVE BEEN GIVEN FREEDOM. NO, YOU EARNED IT, TOOK IT FROM THOSE WHO WRONGFULLY KEPT IT FROM YOU. IT ALREADY HAPPENED. whites died in droves so you could be free, fighting and suffering along blacks as brothers and sisters.
I will not let you are anyone else slander that blood bond.
there is no ‘they’, there is ‘US’.
UNITED.
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@ a white man
Then it is fair to say that you will be putting together a petition to ban census and other devices that separate individuals based on race?
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a white man
Just stop resisting the man in scrubs and take your Thorazine. While you’re at it, take a typing class.
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Reblogged this on Mbeti's Blog and commented:
Insight and Dialogue
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unless there is some logistical ease in distinguishing race that makes it easier to work with, I see no reason. there are other ways to identify and organize people on paperwork; forcing people to fill out their race is pointless. A name, address, or blood type/birth date/eye color should be enough for on the spot Identification.
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“Whites died in droves so you could be free”.
It’s called cause and effect. I’m not going to thank anyone for freeing my people from a condition that they induced. That’s lunacy. We didn’t create this system. Your people did. Now when we speak out against the very system that keeps us at a perpetual socio economic disadvantage it becomes “why are you Blacks never happy?”. We are allowed to have safe spaces. Your invasion of them smacks of entitlement. We don’t want you hear, yet you force your opinions down our throats and berate us like children. We know how to think for ourselves and if we should happen to disagree with what you’re saying, it’s our prerogative as grown human beings. You don’t seem to understand that after four centuries of fighting, we may be done offering the other cheek. What your opinions are don’t matter. Your people got us into this mess, it is ultimately up to us to fix it. We don’t need a by your leave to start cleaning the spill and we certainly don’t need your input on how to approach the puddle. Thank you very much.
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On a side note to the people here, does anyone else notice a pattern?
1.Whites Exclude Blacks.
2. Blacks try to become included.
3. Whites become angry or incensed.
4. Blacks create something for themselves since they are being excluded.
5. Whites come and spy on the people they want to exclude.
6. Blacks end up having more fun doing their own thing.
7. Whites becomes angry at this and accuse Blacks of being racists and separatists.
(Working examples are BET and the Miss Black USA pageant)
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You may not see a point in it, but that is how the system has been working for years. Separating the race on paperwork. If we are an “US” as you say, then why do we need any type of separation?
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looks like you the winner!! finally someone who isnt in factual denial (and extremely hostile) like darqbeauty. “then why do we need any type of separation?”
because “tall, skinny, 5′ 9″ with a brown hat and green shirt” could mean anyone- adding “Black” or “Hispanic” or “Caucasian” could be the only way to ID someone definitively (dramatically easier for cops/medical personnel).
other than scant logistical purposes like that one, there is NO REASON why anyone should be talking or thinking about the color of their skin as a negative.
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“there is NO REASON why anyone should be talking or thinking about the color of their skin as a negative.”
We have BEEN saying this. Why do they come here with their sanctimonious preaching? Regurgitating things WE have been saying for centuries. If anyone needs to hear this, it’s white people. Not us. You’re preaching to the choir here. Go preach to your brethren who instituted this system, benefit from it on a daily basis and are loath to give it up at the expense of equality with others. We may come off as hostile…or simply as people who are tired of bullshit and don’t care about saying the truth as THEY see it.
However, your sense of entitlement will never allow you to see where we are coming from. Having living among your people as a MINORITY for over 400 years, we are well acquainted with what and how you think. We are inundated on a daily basis. YOU on the other hand would do well to sit back and listen, if you are TRULY interested in positive race relations. LISTEN to the people who live this every day instead of coming with a condescending and patronizing tone about what YOU think we out to think and feel.
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Abagond,
My comments got caught in moderation AGAIN. I’m not seeing any trigger words that would get it caught in the filter.
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do you even notice what you are doing when you reply? YOU UP THE ANTE. you increase hostility. ‘no one insults abagond’s intelligence’ or what? are you his mommy? ” but he’s no dummy HOW DARE you insult his intelligence and imply that HE (not she) doesn’t research his stuff, he does A LOT of research!
> 😦 😡 >:(”
i cant believe this one… analyze how FAST you became hostile. see how unnecessary that is?
I assumed the reason the post was deleted was because he didnt like it. there was not ONE swear or slur, i proofread the whole thing and checked the community guidelines, so…..
also its kind of hard to have a civil discussion when darqbuauty and others keep making these hate filled racist comments at me.
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Oh no…cue the victim stance and the male version of White Woman’s Tears. I wonder if Abagond will tell us what his post said so he can stop whining about it.
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@ a white man,
Here you basically acknowlege ‘swearing’:
“Also, you would delete it again if i posted it without any swearing, and i know why….”
Here you deny it:
“….[T]here was not ONE swear or slur, i proofread the whole thing and checked the community guidelines, so…..”
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So, which which is it? Did you or didn’t you swear / use a racial slur, white man? Get your lies straight.
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@ fiamma blu
Excellent question. I didn’t even notice I did that, although I wasn’t trying to lie exactly. I wasn’t sure if I did swear at first but I hadn’t actually re read the thing at that point, and I hadn’t checked guidelines either.
After re-checking both, the answer is still no. the original post was probably just too annoyingly long.
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@ Peanut
right then.
Well I believe that I had not explicitly stated an insult at Abagond. I’m Pretty sure it was more implying that I was convinced the post was denied because the author seems to be very convinced in his ways and would not allow something to the contrary to be posted.
Now I really don’t have a clue why it was denied, perhaps it just looked annoying
I meant no offense, Peanut.
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Anglo White’s feelings about blacks and other people of colour have their roots primarily in the very earliest colonization of the Americas, long before race science. Because of the nature of the economy, as well as their culture and the local peoples they encountered, they never incorporated indigenous peoples into their society, and saw them as threats and obstacles to expansion. Also poor whites and people of colour at one time recognized their common interests as peoples exploited by the elites, rebelling together against the colonial elites’ poor treatment of them. This presented a problem for the colonial elite, who solved their problem by creating an identity and societal structure that could bind poor whites to them with certain material and psychological rewards(not being enslaved, being hired more, white pride), preserving their dominance by simultaneously neutralizing poor whites as a threat to them by giving them a stake in the status quo, and gaining an ally in keeping people of colour down by making poor whites perceive other races’ challenges to the elites unfair advantages as threats to their own status. Of course English the attitudes towards those who were different went back to the cultural changes in England following of the late middle ages and their colonization of Ireland. Race science only crystallized what was already a strong, widespread folk ideology.
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This is getting sadder and sadder.
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Man I had gone to sleep and woke up to this.
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I know this has been asked before, but why do they come here?
I see trolls that try to say that blacks are just as, or more, racist than whites ever were or are. I see trolls that say that blacks give them a reason to hate them. I see trolls whining about how they aren’t entitled to say what they want to say even though it is hate speech. And this has been happening as of late on a topic that has been here for almost a year.
This just shows that you can never tell white people that THEY ARE THE ONES WITH ISSUES REGARDING COLOR, or else you will invite drones. Yes, I said it. WHITE PEOPLE HAVE PROBLEMS WHEN IT COMES TO COLOR.
White people who feel insulted or amused by this post, listen if you can. I’m going to say it so that even a 3rd grader can understand it, and use CAPS whenever possible to invoke a sense of saying it as plain and loud as possible (lol): YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE OF COLOR, ESPECIALLY IF THEY SPEAK THEIR MINDS! That’s right, we have minds, AND we have rights. Just as you think you have the right to say the usual victim-blaming, racist, hate-filled, over-entitled rhetoric that has been said here a hundred thousand times already, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO RESPOND ACCORDINGLY WHETHER YOUR SELF-RIGHTEOUS, DELUSIONAL MORONIC BEHINDS LIKE IT OR NOT!
Since some of you think you’re all that and then some, YOU ARE NOT! If you were, you wouldn’t be here at all bringing a butter knife to a gun fight. Everything you said has been said before ANY OF US WERE BORN, and it was wrong then. So, what makes you think you are right today? What makes you think you’re an authority on race and black people WHEN THROUGHOUT HISTORY, YOU’VE BEEN DEAD WRONG EACH AND EVERY DAMN TIME? So much for the superior white race.
Okay. Now who’s stupid enough to challenge this? This will be predictable.
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@ brothawolf:
Yes, as always, you are correct! Call out racist white people and they come here all snivelly, whiny, and not making any sense. Look at these posts. How typical.
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@leigh204
“Yes, as always, you are correct!”
Brave too! Not everyone has the courage to fight the straw man they’ve built.
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I’m waiting for “a white man” to come back and prove Brotha Wolf’s awesome comment right as he flails at the keyboard, trying to refute the whole thing.
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The point of this post is to answer the question as to why whites look down on blacks as shown by these trolls. Some may even go so far as to ask why what have black people in history up to this point have done to whites that was horrible enough to have so much contempt for them. The usual answers from these people will range anywhere from welfare queens to black-on-white, both built from lies, fears and hatred. However, when it’s all said and done, white people are in no moral position to accuse black people of ANYTHING on a collective scale, especially when it comes to blacks against whites. And when you realize that their fears and hatred is unfounded, then you can only conclude that white people are the ones with “problems” and not blacks.
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tehnoun,
“A white man” may just do that, or other people will come and argue on behalf of white people who are always victims at the hands of blacks and how we should feel sorry for them. It’s quite taxing.
Though I keep asking myself, why bother arguing with them. We have about as much chance of changing their minds as we have of terraforming Mars in the next six months. And no matter what, they will want to remain snug in their disdain. So, I wonder why we waste our time with these jesters.
Maybe because we feel the need to defend ourselves against this form of hate. Maybe because we still hope for things to change. Maybe we still have love for them to want them to change. I dunno. I do know they love to hate, but they can’t come up with enough reasons to hate black people as black people have to not hate black people.
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And by reasons, I mean excuses.
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@brothawolf
“And when you realize that their fears and hatred is unfounded, then you can only conclude that white people are the ones with “problems” and not blacks.”
oooorrrrr you could notice you are cherry picking the examples of white behavior (the “trolls”) that match your preconceptions about white people and then forming generalizations about millions of other people. Then you could realize you are mimicking a thought process common amongst the racist whites you are criticizing, and ultimately being ignorant, like they are.
Nah, that’s not going to happen.
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I actually feel sorry for the guy. He contradicted himself so much I was beginning to wonder if he knew whether he was coming or going.
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eco,
How about this, I could be doing the same thing that most (at least some) white people do when it comes to individual black people who screw up or commit a crime. You know, the white folks who use those moments to confirm their bigotry against an entire race? A little tit for tat.
And how is what I said as ignorant as the racist whites I accuse? How is what I said pointless and without substance?
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“And how is what I said as ignorant as the racist whites I accuse?”
Not ‘as ignorant as’. It’s a similar kind of ignorance, not necessarily a similar magnitude. I think the kinds are similar, because you are using a thought process a lot of the people you are criticizing, are using. You can even recognize it as wrong when others do it. “You know, the white folks who use those moments to confirm their bigotry against an entire race”. Yeah, that’s what I meant. Just so we are clear, I’m not implying you are bigoted, I wouldn’t go that far.
“How is what I said pointless and without substance?”
You are relying on a faulty thought process. Reaching a conclusion through irrational or illogical or biased means tends to severely undermine the conclusion… I think it’s not a stretch to say it’s unsubstantiated.
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@ Peanut
I feel sorry for him because he is stuck in his ways. It is there choice I know and it can’t be helped but I always feel sorry for people like that. Contrary to what he said he does not want to learn anything from us or this blog. In the past those that want to learn ask questions to understand what point the blog is trying to make. He started off ranting because he got deleted and ran on the idea that because we did not see it then we can not prove he got deleted for racial slur. He then went on to tell us the author wants to hide us from the truth (a little divide and conquer technique if you ask me). When no one was falling for his bs then he goes on to the helpless white man that all of us are ganging up on. He becomes sorry for his actions and then is never heard from again.
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@ Peanut
I agree but I just wish that some of the trolls that do come on here take 5 minutes to read not only the blog but comments that follow before they just go crazy. I myself am also curious on what he wrote.
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eco,
You are relying on a faulty thought process. Reaching a conclusion through irrational or illogical or biased means tends to severely undermine the conclusion… I think it’s not a stretch to say it’s unsubstantiated.
Explain.
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It begins with slavery and ends with our own denigration. As a result, economic impunity does not pertain to people of color in this country; easier to deny equal footing if one is not “qualified”. American exceptionalism does not apply to wage slaves, athletes, entertainers, or even politicians. For example, Barack Obama was not “experienced enough” in the 2008 presidential election. And when he became experienced Congress refused to work with him. I’m tired of writing.
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@brothawolf
“Explain”
I said: “you (…) are cherry picking the examples of white behavior (the ‘trolls’) that match your preconceptions about white people”.
That’s, obviously, an incorrect way to support a conclusion. And you have, undeniably, constructed a general conclusion about white people based on the behavior of the “trolls”. I can even use your own words:
“The point of this post is to answer the question as to why whites look down on blacks as shown by these trolls. (…) And when you realize that their fears and hatred is unfounded, then you can only conclude that white people are the ones with ‘problems’ and not blacks.”
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eco,
I realize that those who object any sort of criticism against white people in general will use tone arguments or try to find some loophole or two. Either way, it’s all a attempt to protect their feelings and sentiments by shifting blame onto the other person.
Eco, I’m going to be straight up about this, why should I or anyone else hold my thoughts on the generalizations of whites when whites have not only done the same thing, but have created an atmosphere where nonwhites are excluded outside in a world that says that they are not “normal” because we are not white? You make it seem as if what I said and what whites say, or racist trolls say, are similar. It is not.
What they said is based on negative stereotypes and destructive myths that have been in existence before any of us were born. They, including the so-called well-meaning whites as I’ve seen, live with that notion and those with power use it to further suppress people of color. What I’ve said will hardly put a dent into the white power structure, but it has obviously scarred someone’s feelings.
So again, why should I or anyone else be the bigger person not to generalize whites when white people do it to POC all the damn time? We shouldn’t have to kiss anyone’s ass if they’ve looked down on us from the start and are (for the most part) content with it. If anything, they now know how it feels to be generalized for the actions of some. But most of the time, they don’t see it as a teaching tool. They see it as reverse racism, and they don’t understand why this is so. Why? It’s because their privileges keep them from learning what they should know.
So, while you believe that in some way my comment was similar, me explaining to you why it is not will fall on deaf ears. You will continue to believe what you will and not learn a damn thing even when someone explains it to you. And even then, like you’re doing with my responses, you will find something to negate the importance of what I said because it doesn’t sit right with you. You can deny, and you probably will anyway, but I sure as hell won’t waste my time with someone who wants to keep their privilege.
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This entire blog seems to be about how hard-done-by blacks have had it in the past.
Yes it was tough for our ancestors, but what’s our excuse for all our poverty stricken, unemployed brothers all over the world, and Zimbabwe, Nigeria, look how we are living,
whites have been very warm to me, I was brought up by whites and all I can say is STOP BLAMING people that are dead for a problem that is world spread, let’s get positive and pick ourselves up and leave the whites alone.
The best way to prove we are better is to actually show it and DO it, that does not mean kill the whites, it means do better then them, if you feel an atmosphere where whites dominate then I’m sorry to say but your issues are deep. If what you want is an atmosphere where only blacks rule and live, look no further than the countries I’ve mentioned, remember the world is bigger than America, the best thing we can do is prove our point, not point finger.
It’s not the white race that made you black and its not the blacks fault that whites are white.
Do you guys think you are helping the race issue by continuing to hate whites?
Imagine a world without whites? God help us.
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@ Whiteblack
For starters I am going to be forthcoming in saying you are not black, but I will say nice try at pretending to be. Secondly what in heck are you even talking about? Everyone no matter what race is experiencing poverty and unemployment…not just places in Africa. Also no one said anything about killing whites. What and where did you read that or is that? Who said anything about hating whites?
I tell you what…learn to comprehend exactly what the blog is saying and then make a comment to save yourself the sorry lot of embarrassment you just did.
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To the trolls that seem to love this blog…DO not pretend to be black. Have some guts to say what you want to say without always trying to us the “a black man says it” card or rather the pretend black man.
Secondly learn to comprehend the blog. I mean it is said that when someone says anything about whites the first thing you trolls do is turn things into something it is not.
Thirdly not all whites are racist, so please stop convincing yourself that racist whites =all whites. It does not, but it is sad that you guys can never tell the difference. It is sad that the blacks you hate so much have to spell things out for you like you are an illiterate moron.
Lastly We are not talking about the past. I know if you keep mentioning the past it will make you feel better because you get to feel like the issue is not happening now, but sorry no.
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Sharina,
I disagree with you regarding the “trolls”, because it’s impossible to know who is penning what on this site. I do agree with you in terms of “not all whites are racist”, because you can never really deal in absolutes with a topic like this. And, I wholeheartedly disagree with you about the past “Those who cannot remember the past…” and such.
Chris
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People are free to make there own choices about who they like and who they want to be friends with. A black guy can dislike a black guy, no problem. A white guy can dislike a white guy, no problem. But if a white guy dislikes a black guy or vise versa, it’s racism. Why can’t we all just accept the fact that not everyone will like everyone or want to be friends with everyone? If there are in fact people who would treat someone differently in any situation because of skin color, I’m sure they are in the minority, the whole world is trying to move forward. It truly takes a very deeply disturbed person from any race to hate an individual from another race especially if the said person would have otherwise been civil in his response to a person of same race.
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@ Chris
You may disagree, but there are key things that many of the “I’m black” trolls say that give them away as to them not being white and I for one will not tell what it is because it will allow them to change their tactics.
A lot of the people who have commented in here have stated clearly they are referring to things that have happened to them. Not in the past but today. I am one of those people. The past has been used in reference to things that have propelled to our future but I am not one who has used the past as a blame tool for whites. Some do, but I don’t. But feel free to point to where in the blog the past was used to blame white racist behavior.
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Whiteblack,
First of all, racism is more than just disliking someone because they are of a different “race”. Racism is about using prejudice and power to oppress certain groups who are outside of the dominant groups “norms”. It is about reducing groups to lower-class human beings through political and economic means and presenting propaganda to convince society that they are not fit to exist or thrive.
Second, we live in a society of white supremacy. While whites are still the majority – for now – they still have the overall powers and prejudices to maintain their system of racism alive.
Third, I agree the world is moving forward as there are other people who are sick of white supremacy and are starting to realize that. They want to free of whiteness, the atmosphere where white is right all the time. They had enough of this BS and we are already seeing cracks form in this racist matrix.
Fourth, I also agree that it takes a deeply disturbed person to hate an individual from another race. So, why are your responses show that you are likely to defend those people?
Fifth, if you’re not black and are white, stop fronting. That is pathetic if this is so. If you are indeed black, you have demonstrated another kind of racism, internalized racism.
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@ Whiteblack
Again what are you talking about? Is there a comprehension issue that is failed here because you are really running off the radar? NO one said not once that people are not allowed to be friends with the other race. Not one person at all. See I think this is your way of avoiding what it is I have said. Lucky for me, not so much for you, I am not so easily distracted.
Again where did anyone say they hated, wanted to kill, or any of the above to white people?
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I don’t know about the rest of you, but to say that these trolls are disturbed is an understatement. It just shows that you can’t talk about white people especially in a negative way. Black and brown people is the way to go, but never white people. Why? That’s racist. But talking about black and brown people negatively and in a racist manner is good because it’s true.
SMH.
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@ Chris
Correction not being black*
Also I was not alive during that past, but I have relatives that were and their pain is more than enough to remind me that it is one that I refuse to go back to. So it is not that I do not care about the past, but it is that I can not base things on something I have not lived. I can only base it on my own experiences.
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Brothawolf
I agree and your on point. Like everyone else I am starting to get annoyed. I have to wonder what is it they want. They don’t read the blog at all and just go on long rants about nothing.
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Sharina,
Exactly. They must feel entitled to do what they want, the “free speech” thing and all that, because they don’t have anything better to do.
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Sharina,
Everything that exists has a specific nature. Each individual entity exists as something in particular and has characteristics of what it is. A is A. The past defines you no matter your beliefs. Period. You can call it DNA, experiences, environment or old stories. It doesn’t matter if you lived through slavery, because if you are Black in this country you will always be associated with it by Whites and Blacks alike. Now, nobody ever said this has to define your future, but “A” is “A”.
Chris
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What difference would it make if anyone knew what my skin tone was?
Then you’d say ” see told you, he’s a racist ” or ” internalized racist ” you don’t even know me so to accuse me of being a racist is a very unmotivated verdict.
I feel that this blog is not trying to educate and help the cause but perhaps making it worse, what is white supremacy? I thought that shyt was over, if I’m a black that grew up with the so called white privileges and I have a white wife I suppose she’s racist too? Maybe she just hasn’t told me yet or maybe she doesn’t even know? What is a so called “well meaning white” supposed to do to be able to pass as a non racist in your opinion? My opinion is that if a person helps another person from there heart, regardless of race, it is good.
Whites are not majority, whites need to be helped, in our modern society the younger generation of whites are not nearly as bad as the old oppressor type.
This is just an opinion and I stand to be corrected.
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By the way, earlier I said, “It begins with slavery and ends with our own denigration. As a result, economic impunity does not pertain to people of color in this country; easier to deny equal footing if one is not “qualified”. American exceptionalism does not apply to wage slaves, athletes, entertainers, or even politicians. For example, Barack Obama was not “experienced enough” in the 2008 presidential election. And as the incumbent Congress refused to work with him.”
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@ Chris
I see where you are coming from in that regard.
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@ Whiteblack
You miss the point completely. No one cares if you are black or not, but from much of what you say you are not. Now I am sure you are waiting on me to tell you what makes you not black so you can change the wrong but I will not do that. I will allow you to well….figure it out.
Secondly your mind is currently so closed that you have little to no idea what the blog is about let alone the ability to understand exactly what it is that brothawolf just said to you. If you want to learn something ask, but instead of wanting to learn you are telling us what the blog is about when you have no clue. I mean seriously none.
For starters no one is talking about who helps who etc. No one is talking about hating whites etc. and no one is talking about killing whites etc ( pulled that in because you keep trying to bypass) No one is talking about all whites (which is a given). What the blog is talking about is the behavior of racist whites and racist whites are not all whites. The mere fact that you are still typing and have yet to grasp that tells me that you will not grasp much else.
Having a white wife does not make you smart or more well to do and telling your back story will not make me think you are more black, just more desperate to fulfill the lie.
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And another thing. You avoid most of that is said to you. If you addressed them then you will realize you have been corrected several times now. But hey some people like avoidance. Now your opinion would be all well and dandy if it was actually on something that this blog was truly talking about. You duck and dodge the subject like it will kill you or something.
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@brothawolf
“I realize that those who object any sort of criticism against white people in general will use tone arguments or try to find some loophole or two. Either way, it’s all a attempt to protect their feelings and sentiments by shifting blame onto the other person.”
There is also the possibility that they are right and you are wrong. Like when logic supports their reasoning, but doesn’t support yours.
In this particular case, I haven’t used the tone argument and my “loophole” is the fact that you are using a illogical, biased thought process (that cherry-picked examples justify broad generalizations). This isn’t about my feelings. It’s about your ignorance.
“why should I or anyone else hold my thoughts on the generalizations of whites when whites have (…) done the same thing ”
Because ‘but he did it first’ doesn’t work as an excuse after third grade?
Because it is immoral? Being hurt by someone doesn’t give you the right to hurt others.
Because if you want to claim you are right you should actually try to be right? When two people are doing the same wrong thing the one whose actions are causing less damage isn’t being less wrong.
“You make it seem as if what I said and what whites say, or racist trolls say, are similar. It is not. (…) What I’ve said will hardly put a dent into the white power structure”
I said you share a faulty thought process with them. An element building your (and their) worldview. Something that convinces you (and them) that you are right even though you (and they) clearly are not.
That’s what I pointed out. Not that your whole worldview is similar to theirs. Not that yours is as destructive as theirs. Not that your actions in general are similar to theirs.
“So again, why should I or anyone else be the bigger person not to generalize whites when white people do it to POC all the damn time?(…) If anything, they now know how it feels to be generalized for the actions of some.But most of the time, they don’t see it as a teaching tool.”
Being shown wrong behavior over and over doesn’t work as a teaching tool. The example of correct behavior and the explanation of the difference between wrong and right behavior is needed too.
I’m not saying you should/are supposed to teach someone something. I’m saying your ‘it’s a teaching tool’ justification doesn’t make sense.
“So, while you believe that in some way my comment was similar, me explaining to you why it is not will fall on deaf ears. You will continue to believe what you will and not learn a damn thing even when someone explains it to you.”
“Explains”? You are claiming you have a right to do wrong things because others have severely wronged you. What you really are doing is trying to justify your ignorance and immoral behavior.
“You can deny, and you probably will anyway, but I sure as hell won’t waste my time with someone who wants to keep their privilege.”
And I feel I’ve shown that you are being ignorant.
P.S. How can you determine if I’m privileged if you do not know who I am? I think you do not understand what that word means, what kind of relation it implies.
Oh, why do I even bother…
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whiteblack,
It’s obvious you’re too blind or too stupid to talk to. It’s not surprising seeing as how most of the new people that show up to this and other similar topics will defend their hardest to make it seem that this blog is making things up, is part of the problem with racism and defending white people even if it costs their own common sense.
So what if what you said is an opinion? You must really be foolish as hell as to not expect people to argue your opinion. Not to mention that what was said here is based on personal and historical FACTS that you want to avoid at all costs like a typical sheltered white person with no respect for truth or morality but will protect whiteness no matter what.
The truth hurts like hell, doesn’t it?
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This “whiteblack” person is a case in point. They think Black people are stupid and come here toting that assumption just to have it fall flat at their feet. This is why they must cling to the La-La land of whiteness. To see the truth would mean the utter destruction of their world as they know it. They come here pretending to be Black and when we magically know (magic negro anyone *smirk) that they aren’t, they are flustered and resort to :
1. Diversion tactics by speaking on topics not on hand
2. Clinging more fiercely to the lie and thus revealing themselves even more clearly.
3. Show their utter contempt and hatred now that their cover is blown.
4. Try to wheedle their way into our tolerant graces.
5. Display some form of White Woman’s/Man’s tears and expect us to feel sorry for them. Even though they have lied AND have added the affront of supposing we were stupid enough to fall for their ruse.
If we were as stupid as these people like to THINK we are, we would have been dead a long long time ago. Good luck with that.
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eco,
I don’t know why I bother seeing as how you don’t get and don’t want to get it, but here goes.
“There is also the possibility that they are right and you are wrong. Like when logic supports their reasoning, but doesn’t support yours.
In this particular case, I haven’t used the tone argument and my “loophole” is the fact that you are using a illogical, biased thought process (that cherry-picked examples justify broad generalizations). This isn’t about my feelings. It’s about your ignorance.”
How is what you said right and what I said was wrong? You haven’t done anything except gave your empty criticism. How is what was said illogical? Racism and white supremacy are both illogical and immoral, and it is supported by those with the white racist mindframe, most of whom who have that mentality are whites. Plain and simple. This isn’t about my ignorance. It is about your attempt to avoid the problem, the problem that a lot of whites have, their sick obsession with color being the determining factor as to who achieves and who fails, who is smart and who is dumb, and who deserves to live and die.
“Because ‘but he did it first’ doesn’t work as an excuse after third grade?
Because it is immoral? Being hurt by someone doesn’t give you the right to hurt others.
Because if you want to claim you are right you should actually try to be right? When two people are doing the same wrong thing the one whose actions are causing less damage isn’t being less wrong.”
So I or no other person of color should express their anger and frustrations living in a white racist nation and blame those who support and defend it? We should just be nice about it, politely tell those people what they’re doing is wrong and hope and pray that things will get better?
Excuse me eco, but this is reality, not some after school special. History teaches us that POC have tried to tell whites about their sins. And everytime. similar to what you’re doing, they reject it. They ignore it. They laugh at it. And then, they go about their business of racism. Plus, also like what you’re doing, you try to shift the blame to the people who express their anger and frustration because they had the nerve to tell those people they were wrong.
Are you so privileged as to avoid the harsh truth that white people are not all that innocent then or now? Are you so sheltered as to believe that we, the people who express ourselves, are wrong? Who are you to tell us how we should approach this? You think that racism is the same on both the black and white sides. You could never be more wrong. So, why should I or any of us take your suggestion seriously?
“You are claiming you have a right to do wrong things because others have severely wronged you. What you really are doing is trying to justify your ignorance and immoral behavior.”
Eco, what wrong things I have done against you? What wrong have I done against white people? I have done nothing except express my pain, the cause of which is white racism supported mostly by white people. Yet, I am the one who’s wrong and immoral.
“And I feel I’ve shown that you are being ignorant.
P.S. How can you determine if I’m privileged if you do not know who I am? I think you do not understand what that word means, what kind of relation it implies.
Oh, why do I even bother…”
You haven’t shown me a damn thing as to why I’m the ignorant one. Again, you just unloaded a pile of empty criticisms and reverse blaming.
Are you not a white male? Then you benefit from white privilege. If you don’t understand, do some research. If you don’t understand and are not willing to do any research, then frankly stop typing.
In conclusion you have shown your ignorance here, and you want to maintain living in your own little world. If you want to go back to that world, have a nice trip, but don’t come back, leave some more nonsense and expect people to listen to you without disagreements. This isn’t a blog for you. My comments were not made to make you feel warm and fuzzy. You’re just pissed off that what I said holds a lot of merit. There are a lot of white people with a problem with skin color and throughout history up to this very second, they use that against nonwhites in devastating ways. And you, as a white male, benefit from it because the actions of your racial ancestors have created the big lie that white skin is normal and superior.
And that’s your problem eco, your privilege as a white male to think you’re right and I’m wrong especially in a subject you know nothing about. You’ve looked down on me and my comments, but haven’t addressed why they were wrong in your opinion. So, that tells me that you were offended and you are arguing based on feelings alone. Poor you.
Why the hell should your feelings matter more than mine? Is that right? Should I not speak up on it even if I express my own emotions? Your privileged mindset will numb your morality and common sense and, as you’ve shown, will blame me instead.
Now, show me where I’m wrong and explain why instead of throwing your whiteness around like some flag of excellence.
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@brothawolf
“How is what you said right and what I said was wrong? You haven’t done anything except gave your empty criticism. How is what was said illogical?”
Logic is on my side, because I’m objectively right when I’m saying that you can’t form a conclusion about the properties of a set based on the properties of its proper subset. So, constructing conclusions about white people based on the behavior of the “trolls” is not logical.
You can try, but it’s not going to be a true conclusion, a proper logical reasoning.
Since my first comment addressed to you, I have been pointing out the fact that you are cherry picking examples of white people and forming generalizations about white people. I thought I do not have to explain why that is illogical. I guess I’ve overestimated your intelligence.
“This isn’t about my ignorance. It is about your attempt to avoid the problem, the problem that a lot of whites have, their sick obsession with color being the determining factor as to who achieves and who fails, who is smart and who is dumb, and who deserves to live and die.”
You are derailing. Trying to change the topic of the discussion. We are talking about your specific actions, not the problems of white people. It doesn’t matter what white people are doing, it’s not going to affect the fact that your thought process was illogical.
“So I or no other person of color should express their anger and frustrations living in a white racist nation and blame those who support and defend it?”
And more derailing… You can express whatever you want, but when you say illogical or immoral things somebody may point out that you are wrong.
“you try to shift the blame to the people who express their anger and frustration because they had the nerve to tell those people they were wrong. ”
I wouldn’t criticize a logical argument.
“You think that racism is the same on both the black and white sides.”
No I don’t. If you want to say that I do, prove it. I think black and white racism share certain elements, aspects, but I do not think they are identical.
“Are you not a white male? Then you benefit from white privilege.”
Please name a few situations in which I have benefited from white privilege.
“If you don’t understand, do some research.”
Actually, it seems you don’t understand it. For example, you don’t seem to notice privilege depends on the context, the situation, and is not a static thing. That’s why I asked about examples. I can’t think of any situations when being white gave me some kind of an advantage, but who knows, maybe you’ll manage to prove me wrong about that.
“Why the hell should your feelings matter more than mine?”
My feelings don’t matter and I do not particularly care about yours. The truth matters.
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Telling comments like the one eco made to brothawolf are one of the reasons why I side-eye racist white people.
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@ Eco
What makes what you said more logical than Brothawolf. Logic is not necessarily on your side you just believe it to be because you want to believe your way of thinking is right.
“So, constructing conclusions about white people based on the behavior of the “trolls” is not logical.”–This I will disagree with you on completely because frankly no one is talking about all whites (he has said racist whites several times now). Also most white racist have the same repeated mindset. In life and online. They run on ridiculous stereotypes and ideas that they want to believe to make themselves feel worth a darn. The only thing with trolls is you get to see proof of it in one place.
Now just to cut this short. Everything you said to Brothawolf can be turned around to apply to you. You will believe and see what you want to.
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I am in a “listening mode” with the blog now, since Ive been ridiculasly and falsely accused of “stalking”.
The exception is, as I have stated, that if Peanut mentions something about Brazil I am happy to comment on that , as I just did…
But, Im coming in on this one to state, I dont get that Brothawolf would judge me for being white if I met him. I think he would have his antenna up for if I was “wrapped up in whiteness”, but, he would wait to find out where Im coming from . I dont get he puts all white people in a bag and judges them…
Eco, after various times of people running tests of sending out white people and black people to try to rent an apartment or apply for a job,etc, it has been proven over and over that the white person will get favored…I read every 2 or 3 years in the New York Times that black females and hispanic females get paid less than their white counterparts, I read that inner city , mostly black schools are in worse conditions than suburban mostly white schools
the media , although advanced compared to Brazil, leaves a lot to be desired as far as showing real black stories and lives , compared to the white life and stories shown…
It seems there are various things that run through the fabric of our society that definitly indicates that to be born white American has more privaledge than to be born black American
that is my opinion…now I will go back into “listening mode” (however ,if someone does have a direct question they want me to answer , Ill do my best if I see it)
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Eco, what is with you and thinking your opinions and feelings are some sage “truth” that no one can question? You repeatedly claim you are objectively right without stating why, and get all exasperated when people don’t buy your crap. Perhaps if you treated this more like a discussion and less like a lecture, and maybe even realized it’s possible for you to be wrong sometimes, everyone would be happier.
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@sharina
“What makes what you said more logical than Brothawolf. Logic is not necessarily on your side you just believe it to be because you want to believe your way of thinking is right.”
“Logic is not necessarily on your side”. Prove it. I’m being precise, saying that you can’t “form a conclusion about the properties of a set based on the properties of its proper subset.” In this case that means you can’t construct a logical conclusion about white people based on cherry picked “trolls”. This obviously works also when you replace white people with Black people in that reasoning.
There is a family of four. A mother, a son, a daughter and a fourth person. Who is that person? A father? Stepfather? Grandpa? Grandma? Another daughter? Another son? Mom’s sister? Mom’s brother?
It’s impossible to logically determine what the whole set is based on a proper subset.
We instinctively make assumptions about what the rest is, but that has nothing to do with logical reasoning. It doesn’t allow us to determine what the truth actually is.
“This I will disagree with you on completely because frankly no one is talking about all whites (he has said racist whites several times now).”
He was talking about white people in general. For example here: “The point of this post is to answer the question as to why whites look down on blacks as shown by these trolls. (…) And when you realize that their fears and hatred is unfounded, then you can only conclude that white people are the ones with ‘problems’ and not blacks.” He does mention racist white people, but he is using more general terms too.
“The only thing with trolls is you get to see proof of it in one place.”
They are not “proof”, they are examples that reaffirm preconceived ideas. Their behavior doesn’t prove anything about a much larger group of people.
“Now just to cut this short. Everything you said to Brothawolf can be turned around to apply to you. You will believe and see what you want to.”
No it can’t. If you believe it can be turned then you do not understand basic math, how logic and sets ‘work’.
@B. R.
“after various times of people running tests of sending out white people and black people to try to rent an apartment or apply for a job,etc, it has been proven over and over that the white person will get favored”
Absolutely! I’m not denying white privilege exists. Sure it does. I’m saying I’m not benefiting from it. I do not want to explain what I mean by that just now, but I will. I think this can lead to an interesting observation about generalizations and assumptions.
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@ tehnoun
“Eco, what is with you and thinking your opinions and feelings are some sage “truth” that no one can question? You repeatedly claim you are objectively right without stating why, and get all exasperated when people don’t buy your crap. Perhaps if you treated this more like a discussion and less like a lecture, and maybe even realized it’s possible for you to be wrong sometimes, everyone would be happier.”
I said: “you can’t form a conclusion about the properties of a set based on the properties of its proper subset.” Do you understand what that means? How it applies to what I’m talking about? If you did this discussion would be much clearer to you.
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@ B.R.
I don’t think you are a stalker and I do wish you would continue to speak out and contribute to discussions. I like what you have to say.
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@ eco
I don’t have to prove it. Sadly you do because you are the one that believes your claims are more logical than brothawolf’s.
” In this case that means you can’t construct a logical conclusion about white people based on cherry picked “trolls”. This obviously works also when you replace white people with Black people in that reasoning.”–This whole comment is why you are on a lose lose with this argument. He is not talking about whites in general and if you read back to much of what he says he has not once but several times made it clear he is referring to “racist” whites. If you have carried any deep discussions on this blog you will know that it is only referring to racist whites and not whites in general. Many like brother wolf will say whites instead of going the long way out to constantly clarify racist whites (Another saying used on this blog). Ask Abagond because he has said this not once but several times.
“Their behavior doesn’t prove anything about a much larger group of people.”—really then tell me one thing that have said that has not been wide used by actual racist??
“No it can’t. If you believe it can be turned then you do not understand basic math, how logic and sets ‘work’.”–Oh I understand it quite well. I think it is you who is so stuck in your ways that you fail to see how the things you say to him can be turned around on you. I will give you time to put on your thinking cap and realize where and how it does.
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@ Eco
Math has nothing to do with comprehending the basics of what I just said, but if you feel it will somehow help you then by all means go ahead. I hope that so called logic you keep holding on to helps you out.
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I don’t think you are a stalker and I do wish you would continue to speak out and contribute to discussions. I like what you have to say.
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I agree. B.R. I find your posts balanced, reasonable, thoughtful, honest.
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@Eco
I believe that WHITE people are generally racist. That’s not to say that there aren’t a few who genuinely strive and struggle to overcome their conscious and unconscious racist tendencies. I wish you were one of those few. Unfortunately, you’re in this “I’M RIGHT” (ego) WIN at every turn bag about the size of Texas. I doubt that anything or anyone on this blog can help you.
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@sharina
“I don’t have to prove it. Sadly you do because you are the one that believes your claims are more logical than brothawolf’s.”
I did prove it.
“This whole comment is why you are on a lose lose with this argument. He is not talking about whites in general and if you read back to much of what he says he has not once but several times made it clear he is referring to ‘racist’ whites.”
I do not think that distinction is clear, but that doesn’t matter. Even if he is talking about racist whites he is still wrong. The subset of racist “trolls” does not allow him to form logical conclusions about a larger set. In this case, the set containing all racist whites.
“If you have carried any deep discussions on this blog you will know that it is only referring to racist whites and not whites in general.”
A lot of commenters on this blog use definitions of racism that are so broad that they virtually contain everyone (or every white person) except for a few people or use even vaguer terms and don’t bother to define racism at all. In both cases the generalizations are very, very broad and obviously inaccurate.
“really then tell me one thing that have said that has not been wide used by actual racist??”
What has that to do with anything? What is that supposed to prove? At best you will show the two groups are similar, not identical.
“Math has nothing to do with comprehending the basics of what I just said,”
There would be no ‘comprehending’ without math.
@Matari
“That’s not to say that there aren’t a few who genuinely strive and struggle to overcome their conscious and unconscious racist tendencies. I wish you were one of those few.”
There are a few commenters here who think critically and try to analyze things rationally. I wish you were one of those few.
I like that you said: “I BELIEVE THAT white people are generally racist”. Brothawolf could learn something from you.
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eco,
“Logic is on my side, because I’m objectively right when I’m saying that you can’t form a conclusion about the properties of a set based on the properties of its proper subset. So, constructing conclusions about white people based on the behavior of the “trolls” is not logical.
You can try, but it’s not going to be a true conclusion, a proper logical reasoning.
Since my first comment addressed to you, I have been pointing out the fact that you are cherry picking examples of white people and forming generalizations about white people. I thought I do not have to explain why that is illogical. I guess I’ve overestimated your intelligence.”
I didn’t base my conclusions on a subset of whites. I based it on personal, historical, and social facts. These trolls represent the mindset that this and other blog posts have written about, some of them made by other white people.
I find it rather telling that you go out of your way to defend this mindset even resorting to cast blame on me which is a derailing tactic of avoiding any kind of accountability.
“You are derailing. Trying to change the topic of the discussion. We are talking about your specific actions, not the problems of white people. It doesn’t matter what white people are doing, it’s not going to affect the fact that your thought process was illogical.”
That is such bullsh*t! I was right on point with my issue as it pertains to this blog post. You are the one trying to shift the blame of this issue onto black people. What is the topic of this thread? “Why do whites demonize, fear or look down on blacks”. This is not about my specific actions, actions you have yet to address. And it DOES matter what white people are doing especially the ones with power. You must be a complete and utter fool not to realize that.
“You can express whatever you want, but when you say illogical or immoral things somebody may point out that you are wrong.”
You haven’t even shown me how my argument was illogical or immoral. The only thing you said was that I based my argument on a subset of whites. I’ve pointed out my conclusion is not based on them. They are just examples of the kind of thinking they have and apparently you are protecting.
“Please name a few situations in which I have benefited from white privilege.”
You expect me to hold your hand and tell you how you benefit from white privilege? Why not get off your ass and do some damn research for yourself? Aren’t you capable of doing it? Why not look it up for yourself instead of asking me? And why should I answer to you? You would just reject it. You probably would go so far as to say that there is no research, which is a lie. So why bother?
“Actually, it seems you don’t understand it. For example, you don’t seem to notice privilege depends on the context, the situation, and is not a static thing. That’s why I asked about examples. I can’t think of any situations when being white gave me some kind of an advantage, but who knows, maybe you’ll manage to prove me wrong about that.”
Again, why not look it up yourself? I am not your servant. You can do it yourself if you want.
“My feelings don’t matter and I do not particularly care about yours. The truth matters.”
And I don’t care about yours either, and I agree, the truth matters. But I don’t think you’re interested in the truth, especially if it bothers you. You come off as some intellectual, but you’re really just a pretentious jerk who expect us to think, feel and see what you see, and if we don’t, they are not valid. You won’t even do the counter-research yourself. You expect us to do it for you as if we’re your servants or something. Real intellectuals go out and do the research themselves. And you’re as far from being intelligent about race just like the rest of these “race realist” thugs.
You see, you don’t know what it’s like to be a POC in a racist society like the U.S. So, you don’t know first hand about how it feels on a daily basis. In other words you are not an authority on race issues. So, you have no right to consider what I’m saying to be immoral let alone illogical. Racism is not illogical. So, why expect the issue to be logical to begin with?
Bottom line eco, POC have to constantly deal with the pressures from this white racist society, and to have you talk down to us when we have the gall to call out white people on their racism is rubbing salt into the wound. You don’t know as much as you think you know, and we do not agree with you and it’s explained why by other people. Yet, your privilege keeps you from learning because you don’t have to learn what we know. That right there is one example you asked for. Look up the rest yourself, man.
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Eco,
Stop trying to come off as some genius because you’re not. You’re not even smart enough to have a descent conversation on a subject you know nothing about. You can’t argue and you have no right to tell us how we are wrong or immoral on issues we are quite familiar with.
Frankly, all you’re doing is defending racism while separating yourself from the trolls that frequent on this topic. But you sound like a troll yourself. You are not interested to learn anything? You just felt offended because of my comment which was not meant to demean but explain. White people have a problem with POC. Deal with it. And you defending it by any means tells us a lot about you.
The only thing that makes you think your claims are more logical than mine is because you think you know more about race than I do. What does a white person know about being suspected of being a shoplifter the minute he or she steps into a store? What does a white person know about not seeing wide representations of themselves in all forms of media? What does a white person know about being suspected of a crime just from the way he or she looks? What does a white person know about being worried whether or not a restaurant will take in his/her people?
If you don’t understand that those are a few examples of white privilege, you are incapable of learning anything.
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Eco,
Lastly, and for laughs, how are you not benefiting from white privilege if you’re a white male yourself? This I gotta read.
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@ Eco
Where and how did you prove it? I mean what fact have you actually presented other than your thoughts or opinions. Even now you are still spouting opinion followed by not one fact. Based on what you said it is clear that it can also be concluded that brothawolf has presented a fact.
“Even if he is talking about racist whites he is still wrong.”—How is he wrong about racist whites? This is the big question here that you keep dancing around with logic and math comprehension. Talking in circles as I like to call it. Do racist whites not share the same exact thoughts and comments as the trolls that come to this page? It was a simple yes or no question.
“What has that to do with anything? What is that supposed to prove? At best you will show the two groups are similar, not identical.”–It has to do with everything, but because you are still struggling to grasp the concept here. Let me throw you a bone. You believe that what he has said about racist whites is wrong because it does not what….fit into what all racist whites may or may not think or feel. Do share with me one idea about a racist white that is different from those trolls on this blog? Show me one difference. I mean is it not funny that every troll has said the exact same things. Maybe different ways but the same thing, so what brothawolf said is not far fetched at all.
“There would be no ‘comprehending’ without math.”–Actually there would because numbers can not account for everything. You can not determine everything in life based on numbers or math. Does your math tell you when I or the next person will die. Do you comprehend the mysteries of death with math?
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@ eco
See A clear sign someone is scrambling is when they feel the need to call someone else ignorant or stupid because they do not share your idea. Which is all you have here is an idea and not a fact. SMH
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Matari and Sharina, I just want to address your comments to me and say thank you for your vote of confidence , and, I just want to make clear to you and to Abagond that I havent exited the blog , Im here, Im listening, and, as always, especialy with people like you both and Brothawolf and plenty of others here, Im always learning…
I seriously had to face the fact that I am repeating myself a lot and have to take the time to step back and listen and pick my shots that can mean more …
at least the same points I always make, my firm beleif in the gift and genius that ancient black Africans have brought us, and the unbeleivable story of how that gift survived even slavery in the Afro diaspora in the Americas, and is leading us into the future inspite of people not even acknowledging it….anything about Brazil…anything about music….the only things I have any real expertice on, will be better made more spread out over time..
Im here listening , for sure.
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Eco
Just give straight answers instead of trying to sound like some pipe-smoking philosophy professor. You refuse to talk like a normal human being and insist on skirting around questions by just repeating yourself again and again, as if saying “I’m objectively right” is a holy talisman that will actually make it so. If I hear you bring up “math” again as if that word alone was the answer, I’m gonna lose it.
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Seriously eco,
You’re masking your ignorance with a bunch of jargon trying to avoid the root of the subject. Again, this is not about me and my comments. This is about the topic of this thread. I gave my comments based on this thread, the dippy trolls that are drawn to it, and again, personal, historic and social facts and truths, the kind of truths you purposely avoid with your talk of illogic, immorality and math comprehension??? That is not how a smart person debates let alone behaves.
You are on no level to be spouting about logic and morality when you’re the one acting like a self-absorbed, arrogant, jester refuting anything and everything said by POC ever since you came to this blog for one reason or another.
This is not a blog for you. It never was. Sharina, Tehnoun, B. R. and myself will not tip toe our thoughts and feelings regarding issues that we know about and feel strongly about just because it offends you. We have been offended for too long because of privileged white people like yourself who thinks the world revolves around them and only the opinions of other like-minded whites matter more than water itself.
All in all, you are a shining example of what this topic is about. You look down on blacks. You don’t consider our knowledge as “real” knowledge. You don’t consider our emotions as valid enough to express. You walk around with a false sense of enlightenment and brilliance, and it kills you that you are revealed as just another typical white man with a racist mindset.
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@brothawolf
“I didn’t base my conclusions on a subset of whites. I based it on personal, historical, and social facts.”
Really? So what did you mean when you said:
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“I see trolls whining about how they aren’t entitled to say what they want to say even though it is hate speech.(…) This just shows that you can never tell white people that THEY ARE THE ONES WITH ISSUES REGARDING COLOR”
“The point of this post is to answer the question as to why whites look down on blacks as shown by these trolls.”
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It looks to me that you used the trolls to form these conclusions.
“I find it rather telling that you go out of your way to defend this mindset even resorting to cast blame on me which is a derailing tactic of avoiding any kind of accountability.”
I wasn’t defending white people. I said that “you are mimicking a thought process common amongst the racist whites you are criticizing (…) you share a faulty thought process with them.”, so I do notice that a lot of white people are doing the same thing I’m criticizing you for. I do think their actions are more destructive than yours (“that’s what I pointed out. Not that your whole worldview is similar to theirs. Not that yours is as destructive as theirs. Not that your actions in general are similar to theirs”).
I’m not defending their mindset and I’m not denying they are wrong too.
“That is such bullsh*t! I was right on point with my issue as it pertains to this blog post. You are the one trying to shift the blame of this issue onto black people.”
I said you, brothawolf are doing something wrong. I wasn’t even talking about Black people. Making it look as if I had a problem with Black people seems to be your favorite derailing tactic. I’m not criticizing you race. I’m criticizing you.
“You haven’t even shown me how my argument was illogical or immoral.”
Sure I did. Constructing a broad generalization about millions of people based on limited examples or experiences is illogical. The trolls can’t imply it nor your experiences with members of the group, nor anyone else’s experiences with other members, nor historical facts (because they are not about the current state of things). The processes that can lead you to such a generalization are illogical. They can’t be logical because the properties of proper subsets do not imply properties of the whole set. If you know what the whole thing is, you can know the parts, but knowing some elements doesn’t automatically lead to knowledge about the whole thing, and in this case you can’t know the whole thing because it’s physically impossible to know millions of people well. Of course, you can have opinions about them, beliefs, but the generalizations can’t be ‘the truth’ about the group.
“I’ve pointed out my conclusion is not based on them.”
If it’s not about the “trolls” then it’s based on other limited experiences, limited sets of facts that can not justify generalizations about millions of people.
“You expect me to hold your hand and tell you how you benefit from white privilege?”
Nope. I’m expecting you to realize that since you don’t know me your knowledge of other white people doesn’t really give you any information about me.
“And you’re as far from being intelligent about race just like the rest of these ‘race realist’ thugs.”
“Race realist”? I’m about as much of a race realist as you are a rocket scientist.
“You see, you don’t know what it’s like to be a POC in a racist society like the U.S.(…) and to have you talk down to us when we have the gall to call out white people on their racism is rubbing salt into the wound”
I do not know what it’s like to be a POC in the US, but I do know that appealing to the readers’ emotions and fishing for sympathy is a derailing tactic. Your version of white woman’s tears doesn’t work on me.
“But you sound like a troll yourself. You are not interested to learn anything?”
When have I said that? I’ve used this blog to learn things, just not from you.
“You just felt offended because of my comment which was not meant to demean but explain.”
Are you projecting? I haven’t started this feelings nonsense. My feeling were not hurt and as I’ve mentioned before I do not think they matter. You are the one who keeps bringing up feelings and trying to appeal to the readers’ emotions.
“The only thing that makes you think your claims are more logical than mine is because you think you know more about race than I do.”
And you know that because… Yeah, I know – more projection.
I think I’m more logical than you are.
“If you don’t understand that those are a few examples of white privilege”
That is the kind of privilege a white person can have… in America. What is true in America is not true everywhere. I think that simply being born an American would make me much more privileged than I am.
“I gave my comments based on this thread, the dippy trolls that are drawn to it, and again, personal, historic and social facts and truths, the kind of truths you purposely avoid with your talk of illogic, immorality and math comprehension??? That is not how a smart person debates let alone behaves. ”
Yeah, smart people avoid logic and focus on “personal facts”. Well, maybe the “smart” people you know do…
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@sharina
“Where and how did you prove it? I mean what fact have you actually presented other than your thoughts or opinions. ”
The things I have said about sets and implications are facts. That’s pretty much the core of my argument.
“Based on what you said it is clear that it can also be concluded that brothawolf has presented a fact.”
When?
“How is he wrong about racist whites? This is the big question here that you keep dancing around with logic and math comprehension. ”
I’ve explained it over and over and over. Because it’s not logical to form conclusion about a group based on it’s much smaller subgroup. I’ve used sets to prove it. You are ignoring this explanation without actually criticizing it.
“Do racist whites not share the same exact thoughts and comments as the trolls that come to this page?”
Yeah, they do. They are similar in some aspects, so what?
“Do share with me one idea about a racist white that is different from those trolls on this blog? Show me one difference.”
The obvious example would be racially motivated killings. I think nobody has ever murdered anyone on the internet. So the trolls don’t go as far as some people do in real life. They can’t.
I should also point out that people do not behave on the internet like they do in their daily lives. So the things they do or say on the internet may not be examples of what they do in their real lives. For example, I’m pretty sure they spend less time staring at cats.
“Does your math tell you when I or the next person will die. Do you comprehend the mysteries of death with math?”
I said comprehending things would be impossible without math. Your example is an incomprehensible thing, not something that can be truly understood by means other than math.
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Eco,
“It looks to me that you used the trolls to form these conclusions.”
I used these trolls as an example. In any case these trolls are saying what I’ve heard and read for years from other white people. I know a lot of POC and other whites have heard the same things as well.
“I wasn’t defending white people. I said that “you are mimicking a thought process common amongst the racist whites you are criticizing (…) you share a faulty thought process with them.”, so I do notice that a lot of white people are doing the same thing I’m criticizing you for. I do think their actions are more destructive than yours (“that’s what I pointed out. Not that your whole worldview is similar to theirs. Not that yours is as destructive as theirs. Not that your actions in general are similar to theirs”).
I’m not defending their mindset and I’m not denying they are wrong too.”
You haven’t pointed out anything. All you’ve done was pointed how I was wrong. Thus, you tried to demonize me when I made that comment without thinking about what you wrote in your last reply. You did not think their actions were more destructive, and you didn’t point it out either just like you didn’t point out how my comment was immoral.
“I said you, brothawolf are doing something wrong. I wasn’t even talking about Black people. Making it look as if I had a problem with Black people seems to be your favorite derailing tactic. I’m not criticizing you race. I’m criticizing you.”
Eco, ever since you’ve been on this blog, you criticized every post about white people and those who agreed with it’s information. And you’ve made similar statements.
“Constructing a broad generalization about millions of people based on limited examples or experiences is illogical. The trolls can’t imply it nor your experiences with members of the group, nor anyone else’s experiences with other members, nor historical facts (because they are not about the current state of things). The processes that can lead you to such a generalization are illogical. They can’t be logical because the properties of proper subsets do not imply properties of the whole set. If you know what the whole thing is, you can know the parts, but knowing some elements doesn’t automatically lead to knowledge about the whole thing, and in this case you can’t know the whole thing because it’s physically impossible to know millions of people well. Of course, you can have opinions about them, beliefs, but the generalizations can’t be ‘the truth’ about the group.”
Stop going in circles. I’ve explain why it was said as plain and simple as possible. Yet again, you’re more focused on how I am wrong, while ignoring like statements about blacks by these fools. Why haven’t you criticized them? You said NOTHING.
“If it’s not about the “trolls” then it’s based on other limited experiences, limited sets of facts that can not justify generalizations about millions of people.”
And yet, when trolls do the same thing, you don’t utter a word as we’ve seen in the past when it comes to Abagond’s threads.
“I do not know what it’s like to be a POC in the US, but I do know that appealing to the readers’ emotions and fishing for sympathy is a derailing tactic. Your version of white woman’s tears doesn’t work on me.”
How on Earth is this a derailing tactic? How is what I’m doing a version of a white woman’s tears? I wasn’t trying to derail anything, nor was I trying to work on your sympathies. I said what I said. You had a problem with it. I’m trying to explain it, but you won’t listen for one reason or another. And both of us and other people are engaged in a back-and-forth with someone who refuses to “get it”.
“Are you projecting? I haven’t started this feelings nonsense. My feeling were not hurt and as I’ve mentioned before I do not think they matter. You are the one who keeps bringing up feelings and trying to appeal to the readers’ emotions.”
Are you serious? You think what I’m doing is to appeal to readers’ emotions? You apparently thought that my statement about white people encompassed all or most white people, including you possibly. Why else would you feel the need to argue?
“I think I’m more logical than you are.”
That sounds like conceitedness and smugness, two more emotions.
“That is the kind of privilege a white person can have… in America. What is true in America is not true everywhere. I think that simply being born an American would make me much more privileged than I am.”
And you base this on what? You mean to tell me not all of my questions applied to you? If so, how?
“Yeah, smart people avoid logic and focus on “personal facts”. Well, maybe the “smart” people you know do…”
I said personal, historic and social. Why are you avoiding those aspects?
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@ eco
And what makes the facts? Because you believe them to be? Because you say they are? I that is the case then it is again true that what brothawolf has said is a fact as well.
“I’ve explained it over and over and over. Because it’s not logical to form conclusion about a group based on it’s much smaller subgroup. I’ve used sets to prove it. You are ignoring this explanation without actually criticizing it. “–I am not ignoring or criticizing. I am questioning it. Questions that you still refuse to answer and continue to dance around.
“Yeah, they do. They are similar in some aspects, so what?”–On this blog and many others I have seen they are similar in more than some aspects. Now the fact that they share so many similarities then it is not wrong to for brothawolf to draw a conclusion based on the blog and the majority of racist whites he has encounter. From his experience they are all the same (another thing you keep missing in your need to be right).
“The obvious example would be racially motivated killings. I think nobody has ever murdered anyone on the internet. So the trolls don’t go as far as some people do in real life. They can’t.
I should also point out that people do not behave on the internet like they do in their daily lives. So the things they do or say on the internet may not be examples of what they do in their real lives. For example, I’m pretty sure they spend less time staring at cats.”—Tell that to the victims of the craigslist killer and other online predators. Any who…why is it logical for you to draw a conclusion based on the trolls but for brothawolf to not draw one based on them. How can you determine they will not kill someone? What makes you so right that they are not killers behind a keyboard. You have made an assumption based on what? yet are condemning brothawolf for making an assumption about racist whites based on his personal experience with them and the similarities between them and the trolls. I sense double standards here.
“I said comprehending things would be impossible without math. Your example is an incomprehensible thing, not something that can be truly understood by means other than math.” Well explain it since it can not be truly understood by anything other than math.
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@brothawolf
“I used these trolls as an example. In any case these trolls are saying what I’ve heard and read for years from other white people. I know a lot of POC and other whites have heard the same things as well. ”
Are you claiming you were talking about the white people you know? I mean, the trolls and the people whose opinions you have heard or read? How many people would that be?
“You haven’t pointed out anything. All you’ve done was pointed how I was wrong. Thus, you tried to demonize me when I made that comment without thinking about what you wrote in your last reply.”
Which reply do you mean?
Also, I’ve said: “Not ‘as ignorant as’. It’s a similar kind of ignorance, not necessarily a similar magnitude.” in my second comment addressed to you.
“just like you didn’t point out how my comment was immoral. ”
You said: ““why should I or anyone else hold my thoughts on the generalizations of whites when whites have (…) done the same thing” and that’s what I called immoral. Being hurt by someone doesn’t give you the right to hurt others.
Later I said illogical OR immoral things can be criticized.
“Eco, ever since you’ve been on this blog, you criticized every post about white people and those who agreed with it’s information. And you’ve made similar statements.”
Find an example when I’ve attacked Black people in general instead of particular people, particular opinions. Again, it seems you are projecting. I do not generalize like that, I do not think like you.
“Yet again, you’re more focused on how I am wrong, while ignoring like statements about blacks by these fools. Why haven’t you criticized them? You said NOTHING.”
There were plenty of people calling them out. I didn’t feel the critics needed my help. I usually challenge Black people not because I feel the whites have better points, but because this is a majority Black blog and when people on your side of the barricade say ignorant things it often remains unnoticed.
“That sounds like conceitedness and smugness, two more emotions.”
And you are still the one who keeps bringing up emotions as if they mattered.
“And you base this on what? You mean to tell me not all of my questions applied to you? If so, how?”
In my country being white is not an advantage, because virtually everyone is white. People don’t see me as a potential shoplifter, but I doubt Ghanaians are consider potential thieves in Ghana. This is not about white privilege, it’s about being a native in the country your people rule. I often get to see people like me on TV not because I’m white, but because I’m in a country run by people like me. Japanese people can say the same thing. None of your questions apply because globally these are not situations related to white privilege. People in many nonwhite countries experience the same privileges and for the same reason – they are natives in their own country.
“I said personal, historic and social. Why are you avoiding those aspects?”
Because it’s impossible to address something so vague. You named kinds of facts, not the facts.
@sharina
“And what makes the facts?”
Laws of logic. I’m using them to explain and justify my point. When I say something is logical I do not mean ‘I think it makes sense’, I mean there is a precise mathematical method that allows you to objectively determine something is true.
“Now the fact that they share so many similarities then it is not wrong to for brothawolf to draw a conclusion based on the blog and the majority of racist whites he has encounter.”
‘Similar’ does not imply ‘identical’. The people he has encountered give him a possibility to construct conclusions about the people he has encountered, not larger groups.
“From his experience they are all the same”
And he can use that experience to form conclusions about them, not other people.
“Any who…why is it logical for you to draw a conclusion based on the trolls but for brothawolf to not draw one based on them. How can you determine they will not kill someone?”
I haven’t determined they will not kill someone. I said they can’t do it on the internet, that it’s only possible in real life.
“Well explain it since it can not be truly understood by anything other than math.”
That’s not what I said.
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WOOHOOO, You go Eco!.
Teach those racist fools to look into the mirror and see exactly what they’re fighting against.
It’s awesome how the typical bunch (again) jump in to defend one of their own.
And you wonder why no one beyond a few takes this blog seriously anymore eh Eco.
I’m just happy someone else is taking good o’l teary Brotha to task now instead of blindly siding with him.
Hey Brotha, I’m sure diaryofanegress could use you over there, they love talking about how evil and racist the white race is and how they’ll decide to either save or kill the white babies when the race war happens, you might be interested in that sort of thing being the racist you are.
Toodles.
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Why is so funny white people are trying claim Northern African as white. They called them brown skins white people… If you born in US and have 1 drop of african bloods you are black, but if you are born in Africa and you have 1 drop of white bloods, white people call you white….
All European museums are full of CLASSIC AFRICAN ARTIFACTS from NUBIA, ZIMBABWE, Egypt, SOUTH AFRICA, NIGERIA, CAMEROON, ETHIOPIA etc but yet they say we have no history
I bet if African RECLAIM all AFRICAN ARTIFACTS European museums will be a SAD SCENE
It is amusing to constantly hear the justification and occasional defending of the institution of chattel slavery that was forced upon black people, here, for multiple hundreds of years…. The greatest Crime the world has ever witnessed….
Few White people can comprehend being kidnapped, transported 9,000 miles and then forced into a barbaric system, and SURVIVING the untold atrocities that occured from 1555 thru the 20th century ( lynchings, jim crow, etc.).
Perhaps she should have asked an 8 year old Black Girl who probably was raped & impregnated by a white “Massa”, after watching her father castrated & hung what real problems were…
This is a phenomenom I like to call “John Wayne Gacy” syndrome. When Gacy got caught with the 30 dead kids in his basement,he was smiling and joking about it…until he found out he was going to be punished for it. All of a sudden,he completly denies everything and calls HIMSELF the victim. That’s caucasoid mentality. After everything they’ve done and are doing,they consider themselves the victim. Ain’t that a bitch?
The weird things about it is, they never speak about how the imperialist nation stole America, parts of Indonesia, the Indies, Australia, South Africa and many other countries where people of color originate from. They are like spoilt children who want to take what they want but not let others play with THEIR toys. No wonder people of color are starting to develop a strong dislike for the genetic recessive human being. What a hypocrite.
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eco,
“Are you claiming you were talking about the white people you know? I mean, the trolls and the people whose opinions you have heard or read? How many people would that be?”
I’m referring to all sources including my own and those of others. It’s far from millions. I will say that. I still stand by my statement because I did not mean all whites, nor did I say anything insulting to them. I merely said that they have a problem with color or rather people of color, especially when POC speak their minds in regards to white folks’ actions and mindset that affects POC. That was point of the response that started this rolling snowball.
“Find an example when I’ve attacked Black people in general instead of particular people, particular opinions. Again, it seems you are projecting. I do not generalize like that, I do not think like you.”
I’ve seen you make criticisms to similar posts pointing out how erroneous they are. I do not think like you either, and I don’t want to because I am my own person and I think differently than you. It seems like you are implying throughout your responses that you want me to think like you in regards to my own comment.
“There were plenty of people calling them out. I didn’t feel the critics needed my help. I usually challenge Black people not because I feel the whites have better points, but because this is a majority Black blog and when people on your side of the barricade say ignorant things it often remains unnoticed.”
How has what I said any more ignorant than what you said? I could say the same thing about your comments. As a matter of fact, I did, and I explained why. It still went past you. You didn’t criticize but you demonized my statement without considering the implications as to why a black person like myself would make such a statement. Instead you said that it was similar to a what a white racist would say about blacks.
Okay, it is similar, but the differences lie in impact, society and power. My comment will be brushed aside, while similar sentiments by whites in power will be carried out. Why? Because again, they have a problem with POC, more specifically black people.
And now, we’re back at square one. This circular logic is making me dizzy.
“In my country being white is not an advantage, because virtually everyone is white. People don’t see me as a potential shoplifter, but I doubt Ghanaians are consider potential thieves in Ghana. This is not about white privilege, it’s about being a native in the country your people rule. I often get to see people like me on TV not because I’m white, but because I’m in a country run by people like me. Japanese people can say the same thing. None of your questions apply because globally these are not situations related to white privilege. People in many nonwhite countries experience the same privileges and for the same reason – they are natives in their own country.”
They don’t see you as a potential shoplifter? THAT IS WHITE PRIVILEGE. You often get to see people like you on TV? THAT IS WHITE PRIVILEGE. It doesn’t matter if you’re in another country. Whiteness is upheld and valued worldwide. Whiteness is seen as normal or superior the world over thanks to white supremacist imperialism and colonialism.
“Being hurt by someone doesn’t give you the right to hurt others.
Later I said illogical OR immoral things can be criticized.”
I agree. Except, who did I hurt? Did I hurt you? If so, then you made this personal.
In the end you could’ve left it alone and ignore it. No, you felt entitled to respond to it because you felt it was ignorant and immoral while remaining silent to the goofy comments left behind by the trolls. Why? Because part of you was offended because it referred to white people. Out of all the, as you call it, similar comments made recently, you chose mine to be the one to argue. So, again, this is very telling.
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@ Yawn
Either add something to the conversation or go cry in the corner like you always do. Because Eco’s argument is faulty and he knows it.
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@ eco
Just because you say it is the laws of logic does not mean it is logical. It seems to only be logical for you which I feel it is no more logics for you than it is for brothawolf.
“‘Similar’ does not imply ‘identical’. The people he has encountered give him a possibility to construct conclusions about the people he has encountered, not larger groups.”–Did I say it implied identical? no I did not. In fact I told you certain things that may be different between the two (examples so to speak). What I originally said was name or tell me something about these white racist blog trolls and real life white racists that are different in mindset. That are infact different from what brothawolf has actually said about them. You went on to say how there are differences but never told what. You continued to tell me I was wrong but failed to realize that not only were you wrong but you were avoiding the question to be told you were wrong. Now that you have yourself in a cluster f***k of information that you have thrown out; I will be taking this time to get out and put us back on the original question path at hand.
“And he can use that experience to form conclusions about them, not other people.”—His experience with trolls and actual racist is what you are failing to realize here and to him based on what he has seen they are all the same. You are trying to stomp of what he has experienced and say it is not valid because you can’t mathmatically draw a conclusion. I told you math can not account for everything.
“I think nobody has ever murdered anyone on the internet. So the trolls don’t go as far as some people do in real life. They can’t.”–This is what you orginally said not that “I haven’t determined they will not kill someone. I said they can’t do it on the internet, that it’s only possible in real life.”–As you later go on to say, but that is neither here nor there. Now where is your proof that people can’t murder over the internet. With technology people can do plenty and actually have, so because you have decided that people can’t and most people don’t have the means to then it has yet to be done that we know of. So I would not be so quick to say what people can and can not do when you really have no idea.
“That’s not what I said.”–Oh so you did not say “Your example is an incomprehensible thing, not something that can be truly understood by means other than math.”— I changed around a few words but what you said still stands. Now do your mathimatical explaination of death.
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I agree with all the points, especially number one. I enjoy watching their discomfort when I speak to them and they look at me like I’m some kind of magic monster. They’re not the only ones who can speak English or make cogent arguments, but they think they are. I think even the liberal ones are so backward. They don’t know how to deal with black people who don’t need a hand out. They always look at you with distate- how dare you not need the great White savior! It’s so sad. Off topic, I tried to shake hands with a white lady the other day and she looked at me like I had just offered to smear dog feces on her face. Oh they are so above us they don’t even need to be polite!
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I am around just for a few minutes because I saw a lot of traffic happening here these last weeks in my emails. I appreciate Sara’s comment (especially about the hypocrisy of my ancestors and many -most- of my Euro-descendant cousins).
But, I would like to just say.
In this realm, “race”, be careful not to generalize in turn. Be careful with what anger provokes.
I see more and more “essentialization” going on in the discussions that invoke “race” on the internet on the part of African-Americans. Don’t fall in the trap.
When you say, Sarah, “it’s Caucasoid mentality”, and you are talking about a monstrously pathological human being, you must be careful with explaining what you mean. My point is, if you want white-minded people who are not yet totally engulfed in the pathology of race to listen to what you are saying, you have to make sure that the “Caucasoid” you are referring to is understood as an identity that is imposed. Not a “natural”, “essential” fact. That is the reason why it is pathological, because it wants to pass as essence and nature. When it’s not.
I began asking myself questions about my civilization in its museums. In the way it presented Egypt as “not really African” and yet I could see that the things presented behind the windows were obviously African. So I wondered, why the heck do they want us to believe that Ancient Egypt was not African, and is not located in Africa, when it is?
You have to realize, and this is the answer to the question “why do whites hate, demonize, fear or look down on blacks”, that “whites” (those humans categorized as such) are taught to think that way. They can avoid the teaching, as I did, because there were non-racist people in my family and I did my own thinking and realized what was going on, or they can be un-taught (which is extremely difficult to do when the original teaching endows you with privileges).
But you can’t teach someone by attacking him or her.
I personally am trying to find ways to get white-minded people to listen and understand, but I know I am against a huge manipulative scheme. i am trying anyway and doing it whenever possible with children. Because they haven’t been manipulated yet.
Peace.
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@ Yawn
I have to say your little off board rehabilitation has not done much for you. You are still a soar and hateful individual. That now encourages others to be just as soar and hateful no matter how wrong they are. You can’t hope to learn anything if you can’t even fathom being wrong. You and eco have that problem. You talk yourselves into circles hoping the person you talk to is two dumb to realize it and are mad when the individual is not.
It is not racist for me or anyone else to point out the faults in what Eco said. He was and is trying to argue how he is more logical than brothawolf when in fact he is not and just because he continues to say it will not somehow make it so. Same goes to you. When I did say something to you, it was because I felt you had said something wrong and not in defense of anyone. Eco had said plenty to brothawolf before I had said anything to him about a quote he said that I felt was wrong.
Since you have so much concern about Eco, then help him or go to your corner and continue to hide behind your “I am not racist you are” cloak.
You want to claim the blacks in the room need to be challenged and the site is dead because of it yet you and people like you are so afraid of being challenged that you run right after you make a comment.
Now if you will excuse me I better go tell my husband we need to divorce because I am racist.
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@ Bellasparx
You are not off topic. It is good to hear your experiences and your thoughts on the matter at hand.
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@ Cornlia
It is hard to tell what whites want to learn and which ones want to simply spout racist and hateful remarks. Based on some of the comments it is as if because they are racist then you have to be. Some type of order of things. I like most have just lost my patience with a lot of them. The way is not to stoop to their level, but how do you respond when a person is constantly telling you that you are angry or whatever even when you are not. In my case I respond with being tired of hearing it and treating them the way they obviously think I should be treating them.
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@ Brothawolf
This is a question that I have as well. If others have made similar comments to yours or as he claims illogical and immoral comments, then why is it that he has not challenged them? I understand some comments you fail to see or read because I have done that on this blogs and others but he has acknowledged that he has seen others, so why the failure to respond to them.
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@brothawolf
“I’m referring to all sources including my own and those of others. It’s far from millions.”
Are you claiming that the things you said do not apply to other white people? Even sharina thinks you were generalizing about racist whites, not just the ones you know…
“I’ve seen you make criticisms to similar posts pointing out how erroneous they are. ”
And I’ve criticized individual people and their specific statements. I wasn’t ranting and generalizing about wrong/ignorant Black people, but you feel you can generalize about large groups of white people. I’m not being a hypocrite.
“How has what I said any more ignorant than what you said? I could say the same thing about your comments. As a matter of fact, I did, and I explained why. It still went past you. You didn’t criticize but you demonized my statement without considering the implications as to why a black person like myself would make such a statement. Instead you said that it was similar to a what a white racist would say about blacks. ”
It doesn’t matter why you would make such a statement, the mechanism is still the same and still wrong. Nothing went past me, I did not acknowledge your justifications because they do not matter. It’s not important why you did something wrong, it’s still wrong.
You are like a guy who was caught speeding by a traffic light camera and then starts making excuses:
– why shouldn’t I drive a car however I want to? Who are you to tell me it’s wrong?
– all the other people around me were speeding. Why shouldn’t I do it too?
– if the cameras can’t catch all of the people who are speeding then I shouldn’t be held responsible either.
– my speeding couldn’t hurt anyone, because the situation was not dangerous. Other people who brake the rules can cause much more harm than me!
None of that stuff proves he wasn’t speeding and shouldn’t get a ticket.
I’m not acknowledging your points, because you do not have a point. You are not proving me wrong, you are justifying your actions. To prove me wrong you need to take my reasoning (about sets) and show it’s not true. Good luck with that.
“Okay, it is similar, but the differences lie in impact, society and power. My comment will be brushed aside, while similar sentiments by whites in power will be carried out.”
There is a difference in impact, power, etc. Absolutely! But this doesn’t give you a license to do wrong things.
“They don’t see you as a potential shoplifter? THAT IS WHITE PRIVILEGE.”
Ghanaians don’t see other Ghanaians as potential shoplifters? They have white privilege! Same thing for Japanese people, Kenyans, Koreans, Nigerians, etc. It’s not really about white privilege, is it?
You can have racial privilege in a multicultural(multiracial) society. In monoracial societies those things you have mentioned are just a consequence of the fact that you are a native.
I could have white privilege if I moved to a diverse country like France or the UK. I think it’s safe to assume I would be treated better than immigrants from most African countries. But I’m not living in a diverse country.
“I agree. Except, who did I hurt? Did I hurt you? If so, then you made this personal. ”
The guy who was speeding doesn’t have to cause an accident to be doing something wrong and you do not have to actually hurt anyone for your statements to be wrong (illogical).
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@sharina
I’m not playing your game anymore. The best you can do is manipulate my statements. I say nobody can be murdered on the internet and you turn it into ‘internet can’t be used to murder someone’. I say understandable things can be comprehended by math and you turn it into ‘everything can be comprehended by math’.
“Just because you say it is the laws of logic does not mean it is logical.”
I have pointed out the laws I’m using (sets and subsets) and I do not mind talking about logic. I’m actually being criticized for talking too much about math/logic.
You are not bringing anything to the table. At best you are repeating brothawolf’s arguments in a slightly different form and bringing up unrelated issues (internet, math and comprehending). I feel talking to you is a waste of my time and I’m going to ignore you from now on. Bye.
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@ eco
I find it funny that you are now running away from things you have quoted. Notice the quotation marks around things that I copied and pasted that you said. If you now can not back them up or just do not agree with them then don’t cry like a baby and blame me. Blame you.
“I say understandable things can be comprehended by math and you turn it into ‘everything can be comprehended by math’”- You never said that and that is why I started to put in quotes what you said as to avoid further confusion and I went on to question you to be sure I was getting it right myself.
“I have pointed out the laws I’m using (sets and subsets) and I do not mind talking about logic. I’m actually being criticized for talking too much about math/logic.”–And all I have said was things can not be solved by math alone. Did not criticize you for using it but that using it will not solve everything. Even if I don’t like math, I understand it serves a purpose. It was just that the purpose you wanted to use it for could not be used here.
“You are not bringing anything to the table. At best you are repeating brothawolf’s arguments in a slightly different form and bringing up unrelated issues (internet, math and comprehending).”–No I actually am questioning you on something I have been for some time now and while related to brothawolf’s argument it is not nor has it been about his stance on whites or whatever it is that you guys are actually debating about.
Your problem is you made a claim. One you could not back up. One I questioned and to whine like a baby is laughable. You could have simply said “I don’t have that answer and can’t draw a conclusion,”
It is what it is. There is no shame in being wrong and I have been, but I have also not been upset by it because I like hearing others point of view. I don’t take ones word for it especially those who claim their way to be fact.
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Uncle Milton is the only one on this board that I have seen who truly challenges the trolls as well as all of us. He goes about it the right way and provides links and other things to support what he says. I respect that and I will continue to whether I agree or not.
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@ BellaSparx
I can attest to that type of treatment as well. They are amazed at how eloquent our speech can be, our conversation is not like the stereotypical memes that the Media portrays. That’s why this blog is such a breath of fresh air. They hate us because they can never be us. They suffer from a superiority complex.
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Oh and rude me. Goodbye Eco
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@ lifelearner
I can’t say any of my experiences amount to others on the blog, but I can say my passive attitudes about racism changed the day a white woman (disagreeing over the soaps) told me that I should jump back over the boarder where I belong. I never laughed so hard though, but it opened my eyes to the hatred that my husband experiences from racist individuals who have convinced themselves that Mexicans are the enemy and they are all here illegally.
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eco,
Seriously, how long are you going to keep up this run-around?
“Are you claiming that the things you said do not apply to other white people? Even sharina thinks you were generalizing about racist whites, not just the ones you know…”
In other words I’m still wrong – more so – because what I’ve done was no different than what many whites have proven to have done for ages up to this very second and used that generalization to create a monolith of dysfunction and inferiority? The comment I made was worst than the entire campaign of white supremacy that began centuries ago, and I shouldn’t be like those people because two wrongs don’t make a right even though I have yet to see as to what I said was so hurtful.
You are still hung up on my generalizations about racist whites? And it sounds like you’re defending them a little bit.
“It doesn’t matter why you would make such a statement, the mechanism is still the same and still wrong. Nothing went past me, I did not acknowledge your justifications because they do not matter. It’s not important why you did something wrong, it’s still wrong.”
How is what I said wrong, for the hundred thousandth time??
Let me put it this way, Other POC and some whites have said similar things in the past and today. Almost of it was based on personal experiences. The trolls I encounter online is part of my personal experience with cyber racism, but it is not the whole story. You can’t argue with one’s personal experience if you can not relate.
Furthermore, you don’t have any right, no matter how obligated you think you are, to tell someone not to feel or say what they feel or say especially if there are good reasons and explanations behind it. You are not an authority on morale any more than I am or anyone else. My good reasons come from the frustrations of living in this white racist hellhole known as America, and I said what I said because it had to be said. Still, I don’t see how it’s wrong to you, and you still haven’t told me how.
“I’m not acknowledging your points, because you do not have a point. You are not proving me wrong, you are justifying your actions. To prove me wrong you need to take my reasoning (about sets) and show it’s not true. Good luck with that.”
If you won’t acknowledge my points, I should have the same freedom not to acknowledge yours. Plus, I can’t prove you wrong because you don’t want to consider that you may be wrong. So, any attempt to show you my point of view is futile, and I won’t waste any time doing so.
Yes, I am justifying my actions because I don’t think I said anything wrong as you constantly put it but fail to show how. I still think that white people have problems when it comes to people of color, and I think you are one of those people but hate to consider that conclusion. This is not the same as saying that you or white people are evil. This is to say that they have a problem, a problem that needs to be addressed, confronted and fixed. So, what’s wrong with that?
And you’re speeding example is flawed at best. I can admit when I’m wrong, but I’m not wrong about this. I have not imagine all of the racist incidents that happened to me. I did my research into racism and how it affects PoC. What I said was not hurtful. And you can not cast down on someone who may say the same thing about white people especially if you have no idea what they been through. You can’t argue against their personal experiences. Doing so makes you look like an obnoxious control freak. You also can not say that they are wrong while saying hardly anything about the people or institutions that have created those feelings to begin with.
If you did argue against racism like you said, you wouldn’t be having this argument with me. If you weren’t offended by my comment in any way, you wouldn’t have responded. If you didn’t include yourself into the category of whites pertaining to the comment, this conversation wouldn’t exist.
You see eco, you can hide behind your facade of trying to express logic, but the fact of the matter is that racism is ILLOGICAL. When it comes to threads about race and race relations, some of the testimony is not based on logic. It is based on emotion. I know that sucks for you, but that’s how it goes. You can’t expect a square peg to fit in a round hole. So, you can’t expect logic to be the basis of a subject so illogical and yet, so destructive as racism.
Frankly, I’m tired of this merry-go-round, back-and-forth with you. I still stand by my comments, and nothing you can say or do will change that. And I know that’s part of your agenda as Sharina says.
I bid you adieu.
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One last thing, eco,
If a woman were to say that men have a problem with women, it is not my duty to tell her that her statement is wrong and immoral, especially if she has had lousy and painful experiences with men that influenced her decision and if there are men who are content with making hurtful generalizations about women and apply that mindframe to suppress women. The same applies to this case as you’ve demonstrated that you do look down on blacks if they express their frustrations with white people and their racism.
Again, I bid you adieu.
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I may as well go after Yawn while I’m here.
“Teach those racist fools to look into the mirror and see exactly what they’re fighting against.”
So, it’s my fault that I am angry because I refuse to be “satisfied” living in a white racist society? Good one, Yawn.
“It’s awesome how the typical bunch (again) jump in to defend one of their own.”
I guess someone has to since we can’t rely on people like you to do it. And it takes one to know one.
“And you wonder why no one beyond a few takes this blog seriously anymore eh Eco.”
Those who don’t take this blog serious is part of what this topic is about. Apparently, thinking that black people are criminals and rapists are okay, but make one criticism about white people, and it’s immoral.
“I’m just happy someone else is taking good o’l teary Brotha to task now instead of blindly siding with him.”
I’m not teary. I’m just amazed at the level of complacency of folks like you as to their lifestyle of living in their own world.
“Hey Brotha, I’m sure diaryofanegress could use you over there, they love talking about how evil and racist the white race is and how they’ll decide to either save or kill the white babies when the race war happens, you might be interested in that sort of thing being the racist you are.”
I heard you were trying to rehabilitate yourself from your mindset. Looks like it’s going quite well for you. Besides, you are kidding yourself. I have never said that the white race was evil, nor will I resort to violence against them. And face it, the only ones who want a race war is you. No one brought it up.
I have admitted a few times on my blog and this one that I am racist. At least I’m real enough to admit it. What’s your excuse?
Good bye.
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“And you wonder why no one beyond a few takes this blog seriously anymore eh Eco.”
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How could you possibly know whether or not “no one beyond a few takes this blog seriously anymore”? Did you cobduct a poll or something?! Perhaps it is you who needs a few lessons in logic from eco — the one whose coattails you’re attempting to ride, eh, Yawn?
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Correction: “And you wonder why no one beyond a few takes this blog seriously anymore eh Eco.”
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Yawn, how could you possibly know whether or not “no one beyond a few takes this blog seriously anymore”? Did you conduct a poll or something?! Perhaps it is you who needs a few lessons in logic from eco — the one whose coattails you’re attempting to ride, eh, Yawn?
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@brothawolf
“Seriously, how long are you going to keep up this run-around?”
I do not know. How long are you going to try to derail and change the topic?
My original point, the one that started this mess, was about your generalization. When you are using a smaller group of examples/experiences you know, to form conclusions about a larger group you do not know, you are wrong and you are not being logical. I can objectively prove this lack of logic using sets. In some cases it may seem to be possible to determine what a large set is, based on its proper subset, but it is not possible.
You can have opinions of beliefs about that larger group, but none of it can be the truth about the group. You can not form a logical conclusion about them based on a smaller group.
Since it is not possible, when a person says they do know the properties of that larger group they are wrong and being ignorant.
It’s clear you are avoiding this discussion and trying to change the topic. You want to talk about your right to say things or to use certain statements to defend yourself against a greater wrong, or you are pointing out that others are doing similar things on a much larger scale. I’m saying these are attempts to derail, because these different topics can’t help us determine if your generalization was right or wrong. You do have a right to say whatever you want, that’s true, but that doesn’t change the fact that some of the things you say can be wrong. You can and should defend yourself, that’s true, but that does not mean the statement you are using are right and true. Others are causing a much greater wrong with their generalizations than you but that doesn’t make your statements become true.
I’m not taking away your right to say things. I’m not telling you how you should feel. I’m pointing out the fact that some of the things you say may not be true.
I’m constructing a discussion about your generalization, if it was right or wrong, and you are trying to discuss your right to make that generalization regardless if it was true or false. We are going in circles because I’m not letting you to derail and coming back to the original topic which apparently you do not want to talk about.
“I can admit when I’m wrong”
That must be why you are trying so hard to change the topic into one you are right about. /sarcasm mode off
“When it comes to threads about race and race relations, some of the testimony is not based on logic.”
That’s why it’s called ‘opinion’ or ‘belief’, and not ‘fact’ nor ‘truth’.
“If a woman were to say that men have a problem with women, it is not my duty to tell her that her statement is wrong and immoral, especially if she has had lousy and painful experiences with men ”
Depends what one sees as the better scenario: making yourself feel better with lies or accepting reality and truth even when that’s difficult or hurtful to do.
” you’ve demonstrated that you do look down on blacks if they express their frustrations with white people and their racism. ”
No, I look down on individual people when they spread nonsense and pretend it’s the truth.
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@fiamma blu
“Perhaps it is you who needs a few lessons in logic from eco — the one whose coattails you’re attempting to ride, eh, Yawn?”
Isn’t it obvious Yawn wasn’t looking for a serious discussion?
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“No, I look down on individual people when they spread nonsense and pretend it’s the truth.”—So you look down on yourself then?
LOL. Oh you have to admit you set yourself up with that one.
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Your intelligence and wit have blown me away.
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Eco
hopefully this will end this discussion (and I don’t care if you ignore me or not eco) but You really was doing the same things you accused Brothawolf of doing. Which is what I was trying to point out to you. You in turn started to change things around so that you can be right. You kept saying you are using subsets and set etc. but you would never go into detail. You wanted everyone to believe you were right because of your laws of logic. The more I questioned you the more irritated you became because I assume and still do that you have no answer.
Going back and forth is pointless because everything and I mean every single thing you have claimed he is doing you are doing and you are just doing it to each other. You are no more right them him and you know no more facts than he. You can be mad at me for pointing it out but someone has to.
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Eco
I know I am intelligent. I don’t need you or anyone else to verify it. Just like I would assume no one in here needs me to verify it for them. Now if it makes you feel better to try and belittle me then go ahead. Prove the point of the blog as brothawolf has painted you and make him 100% right about what he has concluded. I mean you have already decided to belittle matari because she made a comment on what she thought of you. I prefer not to attack someones mental capacity because we are all capable of great things in different areas or all. Now you have a great evening. 🙂
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@sharina
“You kept saying you are using subsets and set etc. but you would never go into detail.”
I said “that you can’t form a conclusion about the properties of a set based on the properties of its proper subset” and the fact that this apparently isn’t detailed enough makes me feel depresses.
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Ok, let’s go… I think I should divide this into points. It will be easier to read.
1) All people are distinguishable.
‘People’ is a plural form of ‘person’. A person is “a human being regarded as an individual” where ‘individual’ means: “a single human being as distinct from a group” and ‘distinct’ is: “recognizably different in nature from something else of a similar type”.
Quotes from oxforddictionaries.com
2) Groups of people are sets.
Sets are collections of defined and distinct objects. Thus objects which we consider (define as) people can form a collection, a set.
3) We will be analyzing two sets
‘A’, which is a collection of racist* people that we know or that we experienced in some way.
‘B”, which is a collection of all racist people (or ‘all American racists’, we can use either)
*) I should define what “racist” means, but since I think everyone reading this has their own idea about it I will not bother. We can all use our own definitions, it’s not going to change anything.
4) Assumption: A is a proper subset of B (B contains elements A doesn’t have – this means we do not know all racists). I think this is obvious – none of us knows the millions of people that are out there.
5) Thesis: Every new racist we get to know (slightly) changes our understanding of racism. Slightly changes the content and thus properties of set A.
Proof: When we encounter a racist there are only two possibilities:
a) the racist is different from the ones we know
b) the racist is exactly like one of the ones we know (has an identical nature, personality)
From what I marked as 1) we know that people (racists) are distinguishable, different in nature, thus each is slightly different from the other.
In case a) this means we are adding a new element to set A thus slightly changing it and our understanding of racism. We are expanding it with a new, (slightly) different example.
In case b) thanks to 1) we know that people can be identical only when they are the same person, thus we have encountered a racist we already know, one that already is an element of set A, one that isn’t changing our understanding of racism, the properties of the set.
This proves the thesis marked as 5)
6) Thesis: The properties of set A do not imply the properties of set B.
The properties of B are defined by its elements. From 5) we know that every new racist makes a (slight) difference. So properties of A can imply the properties of B only when A and B are the same set, have the same elements. In 4) we are assuming they are not, that we do not know every racist.
From this we know that the properties of a proper subset of people of a kind do not imply the properties of all the people of that kind.
Especially, our experiences with a limited amount of racists can not imply a logical conclusion about all racists.
We can obviously put any other group in place of racists. If we do not know all of them then we do not know them. We can generalize, have opinions, beliefs, but it can’t be the truth about them unless we know all of them.
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Now let me use my crystal ball…
Brothawolf is going to think that since I put so much effort into this I must REALLY have a problem with Black people. 🙂
Sharina still will not be able to notice that the element of here reasoning she mentioned here::
“On this blog and many others I have seen they are similar in more than some aspects. Now the fact that they share so many similarities then it is not wrong to for brothawolf to draw a conclusion based on the blog and the majority of racist whites he has encounter. From his experience they are all the same (another thing you keep missing in your need to be right).”
is a illogical generalization. A opinion, a belief. But it is clearly not the truth, not a fact. We can establish this by applying logical reasoning to it. It could only be true when people would be identical, but they are not, they are people. They have different natures, different personalities, different thoughts, different opinions, different ways of thinking about and expressing racism, etc. The differences are not big, but they exist. In general terms people are alike. In precise logical terms, we are all different.
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Eco, I thought we were done with this, or at least I was.
I have never ever derailed any blog, especially any of the ones here, and I’m not trying to derail this one. My point was that white people have a problem with POC. The evidence is all around us.
Think about it: Where on Earth have White Europeans and Americans entered that was originally inhabited by POC and it became a peaceful and harmonious place for everyone, including the POC?
For instance, people keep referring to Africa as one huge cesspool of wars, disease and famine. Yet, no one, especially not whites, has ever considered that European colonization was possibly a primary factor in the disorientation in parts of the continent that we see today, let alone the fact some European and American corporations have abused the continent’s resources, and government officials continue to find ways to allow it to happen from the outside. Most of them are white, by the way.
But wait, there’s more: Why because of the stop and frisk policies of New York that most of the people stopped were that of young blacks and latinos? People say it’s because of drugs and violence. It happens more often in those areas than those heavily populated by whites. But there are three problems that make this statement false:
1. Most drug users are white.
2. According to the recent FBI report *and every report recorded before), the most people arrested for violence are white.
3. Whites normally, not every time, get a lighter sentence for the same crimes blacks and Latinos do while most black people (and I suspect Latinos) in prison are there for nonviolent drug related crimes.
So, why are black and brown people filling up prisons if they only cause a minimal amount of violence nationwide and are not the majority of drug users?
Finally, let’s look at Obama’s election and re-election. A lot of white folks were and still are not happy. Some of them, even the poor ones, hoped that Mitt Romney would win. He lost, and many of them were surprised as hell.
Even so, Romney and his cohort Paul Ryan have shown that they don’t care about the poor, including poor whites. They care about the millionaires and billionaires. They want to help corporations remain outrageously wealthy and free to do whatever they want to keep their wealth and gain more.
Even though Obama is no savior, he was still a better choice over both Romney, and McCain for that matter. But a lot of white people didn’t want him in office. Why? Because he was a black man. In the end they came up with all sorts of suspicions and stereotypes as to why Obama needed to go, one way or another, but they were stone-cold silent as to the competencies of Romney and Ryan.
The only conclusion behind all these examples (and more) leads to one thing, white people have a problem with people of color. They look down on us because we’re not the same them. They see us as the eternal threat to their existence and power. And their hatred and fears are unfounded for the most part. It sounds like a simple conclusion, but it’s not. It’s more complex.
Maybe I am missing some important points in those examples or all in all, in this society, looking down on blacks is a sad but typical occurrence, and most of the time, that illness comes from mostly whites.
To you it’s a general statement, and for some reason, you think it’s immoral. I didn’t say that whites were evil or anything like that. I said that they had a problem. You took it as an offensive statement. Why? I have yet to know. Like Sharina said, you don’t explain. You mostly leave empty criticism and then call it “logic”. You just dance around the issue repetitively in almost every response.
That is why I’m done. If you won’t explain what you’re talking about. Then, there’s nothing to say here.
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@brothawolf
“I have never ever derailed any blog”
Said brothawolf right before he started derailing about: stop and frisk, the war on drugs, the last two US presidential elections and colonialism.
God, you are so full of sh!t.
“To you it’s a general statement, and for some reason, you think it’s immoral.”
Illogical. One of your justifications was immoral.
“I said that they had a problem. You took it as an offensive statement. Why? I have yet to know. Like Sharina said, you don’t explain. You mostly leave empty criticism and then call it ‘logic’.”
Yeah, because out of us two I should be more specific and I have a problem with sticking to the topic.
I said your generalization was illogical and I called you ignorant for using it. I explained, in great detail
(abagond.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/why-do-whites-hate-demonize-fear-or-look-down-on-blacks/#comment-151973),
why I consider it illogical. You are avoiding this subject and trying to change the topic into a discussion about your right to make that generalization, a discussion that wouldn’t establish if the generalization was true.
Possibly, because you do not want to admit to a white guy that you were wrong. That would really hurt, wouldn’t it?
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@ Eco
And I will say to you what I said to you before. You don’t know how many racist trolls or otherwise brothawolf or the people he knows has encountered. I know it is not millions, but if you take into account the large amount of people he knows across the united states etc. then you can not draw a proper conclusion to conclude that what you say is fact. In turn what you are doing is telling him along with many others that their experience is false and wrong or illogical (I am sure you do not realize that). Most people in here go by what they have seen and not by what they can put together by logic. None of us in here know which or what is a fact because we don’t know everyone, so The big confusion here is why is what you say considered is a fact over brothawolf. Even in your detailed logic formula you can assume and not give a fact to anything. I am sure brothawolf could do the same, but none of it will be a fact unless you both go meet every racist and find similarities and differences in their mindset. Even that is difficult and a racist might not divulge that type of information.
What you will never realize is that YOU….not me. Made a claim. If you are going to go out of your way to make a claim then YOU are the one that needs to provide detail and explain. I did not need to reason or use any elements of my own reason because I only questioned what you said and nothing more.
Read back. Carefully read back to how the back and forth started with me and you. I (and my god I can’t believe I am repeating this for the 10th time) simply told you that you can not say your way is fact because you can not account for the unknown using your logic. You have no idea how may trolls brothawolf encountered and you have no idea the percentage those trolls amount to compared to real people, so in short you are giving out a guesstimate to say he is wrong and frankly he is no more right or wrong than you.
“On this blog and many others I have seen they are similar in more than some aspects. Now the fact that they share so many similarities then it is not wrong to for brothawolf to draw a conclusion based on the blog and the majority of racist whites he has encounter. From his experience they are all the same (another thing you keep missing in your need to be right).”–My mistake in this quote is not putting a question mark for you because once again if you are using this as me making a claim then you are so lost it is not even funny. Here is the quote with proper puncuation:
“On this blog and many others I have seen they are similar in more than some aspects. Now the fact that they share so many similarities then it is not wrong to for brothawolf to draw a conclusion based on the blog and the majority of racist whites he has encounter? From his experience they are all the same (another thing you keep missing in your need to be right).”—Better. Now in this you would be answering the questions and based on the question then based on brothawolf experiences as I have said how does it make him illogical don’t answer that).
Now the problem here is they do not have different thoughts and different opinions of racism. That is why this blog has a broken record department and that is why the stereotypes and lies about blacks are so widely known. They are things racist whites think and believed. It is not any different. The difference can be their face, their experiences, or their skin color.
Now it is you that continue this back and forth because you want to prove and be sure you are right. You want brothawolf to admit he is wrong. And perhaps you want this black man to admit he is wrong to you, but whatever your reason is…you are acting like you have something to prove over him. Now I am from this point going to stop the back and forth because frankly you have done more than enough to prove the point I made for me (which by the way is that you know no more than brothawolf or the pot calling the kettle black so to speak).
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“Now let me use my crystal ball…
Brothawolf is going to think that since I put so much effort into this I must REALLY have a problem with Black people. 🙂
Sharina still will not be able to notice that the element of here reasoning she mentioned here::”——And here you are still trying to belittle people to avoid facing the fact that you are wrong. So sad yet has managed to do nothing but prove brothawolf’s point.
Now let me try my hand at this. Eco still refuses to realize that I did nothing more than question his reasoning and never made a claim or reasoning myself or maybe not because he has not realized it yet. LMFAO!!
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Eco
I want to be clear on one more thing before I go. I rarely make any claims in here. I question others. I listen to others and I take in their thoughts. I have done that since I started coming to this blog. Your current actions are those similar to doug, who unfortunately made claims of facts and ended up having a mental break when he came to realize that his facts were not working with the logic he wanted to hold on to. He believe too that I was making a claim of something and I was doing nothing more than questioning him and quoting things he said. He tried so hard to trip me up. When he finally realized he had screwed himself with his own words then he snapped. Could not escape his own words.
Now if you truly want to know what I believe and think in regards to racists. Do yourself a favor and ask me. Don’t assume my reasoning because I disagree with you. I hate when people assume they know you because you are not being a “yes man” for them. It is so disheartening. Now if you have anything else to say I will listen and if you are lucky I may even respond.
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@ Brothawolf
I will admit that I just took the time to read back and find out what it is exactly that eco is complaining about that you have said. While I am not for generalizations of a whole people, I am still confused on what he seems to be so angry and upset to call you ignorant, but I have yet to find one post where he is also calling the white racist trolls ignorant that have said similar or worse generalizations about blacks. I see him claim he stands up and speaks out again outlandish statements but I have not seen once him stand up against those statements of the trolls.
So I must ask…what is it he has against you? If anyone knows then please do tell me. I find it hard to believe that someone would jump on a person for days long simply because they want them to admit they are wrong about a generalization that every troll has used.
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@sharina
I wrote a long reply to you, but deleted it, instead of sending it. Why bother? You would not be capable of understanding it. I will only point out the fact that you managed to use my point, my reasoning, as if it was correct and claimed I’m wrong for using it, at the same time.
A-f%$^&n-mazing.
“None of us in here know which or what is a fact because we don’t know everyone, so The big confusion here is why is what you say considered is a fact over brothawolf. Even in your detailed logic formula you can assume and not give a fact to anything. I am sure brothawolf could do the same, but none of it will be a fact unless you both go meet every racist and find similarities and differences in their mindset”
We do not know the truth about them, because we do not know everyone. Yeah, THAT’S MY POINT! The fact we do know, is that we need to know all of them to know the truth about them.
The only thing I assumed in my formula is that nobody knows millions of people well. Everything else is a logical conclusion based on statements established as true.
How the hell did you graduate high school?! Jeez.
“see him claim he stands up and speaks out again outlandish statements but I have not seen once him stand up against those statements of the trolls. ”
Well that must prove it never happened!
Find my conversation with the “radical autonomy” guy. ‘Thordad’? Something like that.
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@ Eco
“How the hell did you graduate high school?! Jeez.” —With honors and a few degrees to follow. How did you? Or did you should I ask? Go ahead and why is it that you as a white person feel the need to belittle and look down on someone? Do you feel inadequate? Is it to make you feel like a man? Or a smarter man? It is so sad what happens when you challenge a person reasoning. How quick they feel threatened.
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“With honors and a few degrees to follow.”
Yeah and that’s why sixth-grade level math is too complicated for you. You can’t even figure out what I’m assuming and what is a conclusion.
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@ eco
“The things I have said about sets and implications are facts. That’s pretty much the core of my argument.”—This is your quote. My stance from the beginning is that it is not fact. They can be used to prove brothawolf’s logic and fact as much as it can be used to prove yours. I have said several times what makes you more right than him in various forms. My stance on that has not changed. You are not more right than him. From you I see either you have finally grasped what I was saying or you are switching sides. I actually only went into more detail of what I was saying in the first place. Not that it has changed.
He is no more wrong or right than you. I never said he was more right and I never said you were more right because frankly you could assume from either of your stances. I urge you to actually read back or not makes no nevermind to me. You were so hell bent on being right that you actually dropped the ball on this one and proceeded to do exactly what tehnoun and matari said you were doing. Be right at all costs. Even at the cost of failing to realize what a person was actually trying to say to you.
I end with saying what I have been since this started A) this has been my stance all this time and B) Your still wrong. And to be clear on what it is you are wrong about. You are wrong because you believe that your stance in some how superior to brothawolf’s. You only want it to apply to brothawolf but news flash eco. It applies to you as well.
Even the most insane people can make what they say seem logical using sets and implications.
“Find my conversation with the “radical autonomy” guy. ‘Thordad’? Something like that.”—Why should I? I see plenty of racist trolls on this thread you have yet to address. Again saying just as much if not more so ridiculous things.
Not sure what you thought I have been saying this whole time, but hey not my problem because I have nothing to prove. You do.
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@ Eco
“Yeah and that’s why sixth-grade level math is too complicated for you. You can’t even figure out what I’m assuming and what is a conclusion.”—It must really hurt to be made a fool of but look on the bright side. You made a fool of yourself. I just helped you to magnify it.
I said I did not like math. Not that it was complicated. Just because I fail to be interested in your sets and implications did not mean I did not understand it. Rather I was not interested in it. Big difference, but hey whatever makes you feel like somebody right?
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Oh how funny this is. I am just so giddy with laughter. Engaged in a discussion with a real down home example of the blog itself. LMFAO!!!
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“They can be used to prove brothawolf’s logic and fact as much as it can be used to prove yours.”
Do it then.
“Even the most insane people can make what they say seem logical using sets and implications. ”
If that is true, then apparently you and Brotha are not as clever as them.
“Just because I fail to be interested in your sets and implications did not mean I did not understand it.”
The fact that you do not know what they imply, does.
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@Ego
What idiotic third grade teacher of yours told you that you were a prodigy of some kind? You seem to think you’re a genius and that you have some license to constantly demean and belittle everyone around you. And good fucking god, stop trying to compare literally everything to math in some pointless and arbitrary fashion. You’re only doing it because you want to sound smart without actually saying anything meaningful or answering anyone’s questions.
And I know your reply will be “Oh, you’re just too stupid to get it. How did you finish high school? Blah blah blah math blah blah blah logic blah blah blah I’m so smart.” Because that’s all you can do when people call you on your fucking bullshit. All your imaginary smarts are just that, imagined, and if someone reads past your endless padding and evading they will realize you don’t know anything about the subject you’ve suddenly declared yourself an expert on.
Long story short: get over yourself.
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@ Eco
“Do it then.”—Why should I? Is there some type of reward for me doing it?
“If that is true, then apparently you and Brotha are not as clever as them.”–You are just so hard up to get me to support a claim and argue on. Why? I guess it is that need to be right thing again? And insults make you clever. Funny because it took several posts before you produced one ounce of your sets and implications. LMFAO!!
“The fact that you do not know what they imply, does.”—Who said I didn’t…you? We have established that your word is not golden already. I don’t remember going into details about it or even talking about it much with you (you did the talking mostly)? You based your conclusion on?
The old you are either with me or against me tactic. ROFL!!!
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@ Tehnoun
Don’t make him cry yet. I was hoping he would last just a bit longer. LOL!!!
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“Why should I? Is there some type of reward for me doing it?”
Other than actually proving me wrong? Not really.
“it took several posts before you produced one ounce of your sets and implications.”
I was assuming I’m talking to educated people and pointing out that cherry picked examples do not justify conclusions about a group, will be enough. I honestly thought that does not require any other explanation. Especially when most people here are familiar with that faulty thought process and can recognize it when white racists are using it when generalizing about Black people.
I think you are still not aware that by attacking my claim, that you need to know all of the members of a group to form a logical conclusion about them, you are actually defending a though process racist whites use when generalizing about Black intelligence or violence.
“Who said I didn’t…you?”
You said that “even in your detailed logic formula you can assume and not give a fact to anything”. In my opinion this clearly shows you do not understand what you are talking about. You do not know why that assumption was there or if it was an error to use it. I think you do not understand the process. I would love to see someone explain how am I wrong instead of arbitrarily saying that someone else’s opinion is true. Seeing you try to prove yours using logic, you know, try to beat me at my own game, would be awesome too, but I think we both know that’s not going to happen.
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@ eco
“Other than actually proving me wrong? Not really.”—Well there you go because I don’t have to prove anything to you. I don’t have to prove you right or wrong because again it would require that I make some type of claim and the only thing I said and have continued to say is you are no more right than brothawolf.
“I was assuming I’m talking to educated people and pointing out that cherry picked examples do not justify conclusions about a group, will be enough. I honestly thought that does not require any other explanation. Especially when most people here are familiar with that faulty thought process and can recognize it when white racists are using it when generalizing about Black people.
I think you are still not aware that by attacking my claim, that you need to know all of the members of a group to form a logical conclusion about them, you are actually defending a though process racist whites use when generalizing about Black intelligence or violence.”—So because I don’t agree with you or brothawolf 100% I some how am agreeing with the thought process of racist whites. Wow how your logic has fallen. LMFAO!!!
“even in your detailed logic formula you can assume and not give a fact to anything”—Well where is that fact then? LMFAO!!! I mean I have been asking for this so called fact that you have about these white racists and I haven’t gotten one. This is so tiring when you could have just answer the questions in the first place.
“Seeing you try to prove yours using logic, you know, try to beat me at my own game, would be awesome too, but I think we both know that’s not going to happen.”—See this is what you fail to realize. I would first have to make a claim that I agree with of what brothawolf said. I would actually first have to make a claim period. So far you are telling me what I believe because I do not fully support you. You don’t know what I believe other than you are no more right than him. This is all you know but it amazes me that from that you have concluded what I know and don’t know; what I think or believe or don’t think or believe etc.
Like I said before. If you were sure of yourself and that you were actually right.Then you would not need the reassurance that you feel you need. You are going on and on waiting for me to say you are right but you are not and I told you clearly why I do not believe you are not. You have chosen to ignore it so not much I can do if you decide to ignore.
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@ Eco
Now before you are quick to respond and fail to miss the point yet again.
I am looking for a fact that you can draw from you sets and implications about the white racist. I don’t care what brothawolf said or believe because you will only be using that to derail. You claimed there are facts then you present to me a set of facts that can be drawn from your set of implications. Not assumptions. I don’t want to hear what you assume, but I want to hear what you know to be a clear cut fact about the trolls and the racist whites period. Since you believe your sets and implications can gather facts then here is the floor. Don’t talk about anything else just what I asked.
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“I make some type of claim and the only thing I said and have continued to say is you are no more right than brothawolf. ”
and that is not a claim? You live in a world of your own…
“I am looking for a fact that you can draw from you sets and implications about the white racist. ”
It’s all there and I’ve already explained it. Based on the definition of a person as an unique individual and the definition of sets we can easily conclude a fact that the properties of a set of people do not allow us to form logically correct claims about larger sets that contain the given set. In the case of some white racists it is a fact that examples of Black criminals do not allow them to form logical generalizations about larger groups of Black people.
The assumption I used did not make the reasoning weaker. It was there to highlight a specific situation, to make things less abstract – so I wouldn’t be talking about getting to know every racist in the world as if that was doable. That’s why I was talking about racist people and not about sets of people of a vague kind – I felt that would be a bit too abstract for my audience. We can remove my assumption and the reasoning still works. It proves that it is a fact that the properties of a set can’t be concluded from the properties of its proper subset. That means the qualities of a group of people can’t be logically concluded based on a smaller subgroup. Attempts to form such a conclusion are not logical, are not precise and are opinions, beliefs, etc.
I can’t make this any simpler.
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eco,
Said brothawolf right before he started derailing about: stop and frisk, the war on drugs, the last two US presidential elections and colonialism.
God, you are so full of sh!t.
Those were examples to the topic at hand. I even said that in my response.
“Illogical. One of your justifications was immoral.”
And yet, you still haven’t explained why you think so.
“…Out of us two I should be more specific and I have a problem with sticking to the topic.”
I don’t have a problem sticking to the topic. I’ve been on top from the beginning.
“I said your generalization was illogical and I called you ignorant for using it. I explained, in great detail
(abagond.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/why-do-whites-hate-demonize-fear-or-look-down-on-blacks/#comment-151973),”
Okay. Let’s straighten this out. My statement was not meant to generalize all white people. Just some or (at least) many. Like I said before, I don’t think whites are evil. However, I do think many of them, if not most, are brainwashed by the creation their ancestors gave birth to: white supremacy.
“why I consider it illogical. You are avoiding this subject and trying to change the topic into a discussion about your right to make that generalization, a discussion that wouldn’t establish if the generalization was true.”
How was my comment not part of the topic of this post? And I didn’t turn this into a defense for my comment until you responded. All the while, I stayed within the subject matter and didn’t veer off once explaining why I said what I said.
“Possibly, because you do not want to admit to a white guy that you were wrong. That would really hurt, wouldn’t it?”
LOL. Are you serious? Eco, I’m not afraid to admit if I’m wrong. I’ve said that. But, I don’t think what I said was wrong.
Plus, you can’t or won’t explain precisely how I’m wrong. You continue to say that I derail he subject which I haven’t. I’ve stayed on topic and backed it up since day one.
It is pointless to argue against one’s thoughts especially when you can’t relate to their experiences in life. If you can’t, you shouldn’t try to discredit them on something they are familiar with simply because you have some sort of problem with their statement logical or otherwise. You also can not tell them how wrong they are without solid facts. If you do, they are just empty. Again, in conversations like this facts, opinions and sometimes emotions are necessary.
You just can’t or won’t seem to grasp that what I said or what every else has said is their right to say it. If there are POC who says anything about white racism, white supremacy, white privilege, white people or whiteness and how it frustrates them, and it angers you, a white man, quite frankly, that’s too bad. They will not and should not have to tip-toe or avoid their realities when it is up in their faces every single day, especially if it annoys you.
I won’t change what I said. I still stand by it. And it’s not because of what you think, that I’m afraid to admit that I’m wrong to a white man. I really don’t care what color or gender you are. I stand by what I said because I see it all the time. With all due respect, you’re not special.
In the end you have got to realize that my comment was not directed towards you. That is why I fail to see how you’re arguing against it. I admit that I’m not as good as this as Sharina, but I will not give in to what I believe is correct.
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Sharina,
“I will admit that I just took the time to read back and find out what it is exactly that eco is complaining about that you have said. While I am not for generalizations of a whole people, I am still confused on what he seems to be so angry and upset to call you ignorant, but I have yet to find one post where he is also calling the white racist trolls ignorant that have said similar or worse generalizations about blacks. I see him claim he stands up and speaks out again outlandish statements but I have not seen once him stand up against those statements of the trolls.”
Exactly my points. I don’t see how my comment was harsh enough for him to start this battle over.
“So I must ask…what is it he has against you? If anyone knows then please do tell me. I find it hard to believe that someone would jump on a person for days long simply because they want them to admit they are wrong about a generalization that every troll has used.”
I don’t know either. He is hellbent on trying to get me to give in and tell him he’s right. Why does he continue with this? I wish I knew. I said all I could and defended myself the best way I can. So, it’s hard to say.
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“My statement was not meant to generalize all white people. Just some or (at least) many.”
If it was a generalization about a group of people you do not know it was still illogical, false. It doesn’t make a difference if it was all white people, racist white people or some racist white people. It still relies on a idea that you can construct such a logical generalization about people you do not know. You can’t. I explained that step by step here
abagond.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/why-do-whites-hate-demonize-fear-or-look-down-on-blacks/#comment-151973
Also, when I said you are changing the topic I meant the topic of our discussion, not Abagond’s post.
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@ Eco
“and that is not a claim? You live in a world of your own”—Depends on your definition of a claim. If by claim you mean “maintain something is true: to say, without proof or evidence, that something is true” Well then I stand by my claim and I would have my proof and or evidence to its truth if you would answer my question, but I can take your non-answer as truth.
I see your sets and implications and I understand what point you are making. You don’t need to repeat that much because this is actually not what I am looking for. I feel you are misunderstanding what I am looking for so I will do my best to be clear. Brothawolf made a claim on a mindset (specifically racist whites have an issue with POC). Now to define mindset would be “beliefs that affect somebody’s attitude: a set of beliefs or a way of thinking that determine somebody’s behavior and outlook.” Now I agree that he can not determine that a whole group of people have the same mindset, but you on the other end can not say they do not. Unless you are a mind reader then we can just stop all this silly back and forth. So either you are a mind reader and you know what people are thinking or you are not in which case you are officially in the same boat you placed brothawolf in. You either know these individuals mindset or you don’t. Which is it?
You can’t prove that his belief of the mindset of white racist is false and he can’t prove that his belief of the mindset of white racist is true for all of them. Simple as that. It is a question that you will have to answer on your own and without your precious sets and implications.
If you don’t get that much then I am sorry.
Now based on my own encounters in here and on other threads; I do believe that white racists have a problem with POC. I don’t feel brothawolf was wrong in saying that. The whole point of them being considered a racist is because they have a problem with the other race. What problem they have I don’t know? I don’t pretend to know the thoughts of illogical people.
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@ brothawolf
“That is why I fail to see how you’re arguing against it. I admit that I’m not as good as this as Sharina, but I will not give in to what I believe is correct.”–I actually think you are better at this than me.
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Eco,
I’m trying to stay on topic of this post, not the discussion you and I are having because I would risk derailing off the subject of this post which is what I think you’re trying to do.
And as usual, why is what I said such a big deal to you especially after I explained it? So what if it seems illogical to you? Are you some authority on logic? No. Neither am I. Like I said, which apparently you didn’t get, race and racism are not logical, and just because it isn’t doesn’t make it any less significant. It may be to you, and that’s fine, but that doesn’t mean that I should think the same way as you. Again, it may not matter to you as far as ‘logic’ goes, but it matters to me because it makes no sense as why color and race matters more than humanity. If you still don’t understand, I’m sorry for ya.
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@sharina
“Brothawolf made a claim on a mindset (specifically racist whites have an issue with POC). Now to define mindset would be ‘beliefs that affect somebody’s attitude: a set of beliefs or a way of thinking that determine somebody’s behavior and outlook.'”
I could agree with the concept that there are archetypes of racist mindsets (HBDer, skinhead, etc.), but the idea that there is just one kind, is a clear contradiction with the dictionary definition of a person. People have recognizably different natures. So they behave and think in slightly different ways and have slightly different beliefs and outlooks, definitely not identical ones.
“brothawolf”
“So what if it seems illogical to you? ”
I’m not saying it seems illogical. I’m saying it IS illogical and I have proved this. For some reason you haven’t addressed my reasoning and I’m not buying the explanation that you believe it’s off topic
“Are you some authority on logic? No.”
It was an important element of my college education. I do know something about it…
“Like I said, which apparently you didn’t get, race and racism are not logical, and just because it isn’t doesn’t make it any less significant.”
If something is illogical then it is objectively untrue. I think that is extremely significant.
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@ Eco
No one is saying there is one kind. Heck I think we all agree they have different kinds and levels of racists and racism. The only thing that was said was that they have an issue with people of color. Now correct me if I am wrong but I thought having an issue with another race was a prerequisite of being racist. If all of a sudden it is not then why even bother with the word racist because there are no racist right? Why are we even here talking about them because they don’t even exist.
Yes they may have an issue with one racial group or all etc, but the bottom line is they do not like a person based on their skin color.
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Now please anyone in the room do enlighten me but is there some other kind of white racist that likes the racial group they constantly pick on or black racist that likes the racial group it picks on etc?
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Eco,
You may think you’re as logical as a Vulcan from Star Trek, but you’re still human.
“I’m not saying it seems illogical. I’m saying it IS illogical and I have proved this. For some reason you haven’t addressed my reasoning and I’m not buying the explanation that you believe it’s off topic”
Okay. You said it IS illogical. I agree because like I said a million and one times, RACISM IS NOT LOGICAL. Also, why should I address your reasoning?
“It was an important element of my college education. I do know something about it…”
That makes you experienced, not necessarily an expert.
“If something is illogical then it is objectively untrue. I think that is extremely significant.”
I agree, but what has been said and done as far as racism and its effects on POC are concerned are objective. The emotions felt by POC are subjective. The latter shouldn’t be left out of the conversation. I don’t see why you can’t comprehend that.
Racism and race are illogical, but to say that it’s untrue is ignorant and just plain stupid. To say that it never existed is just as ignorant. To deny or denounce the emotions of those affected by it is pompous and arrogant.
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Having followed this conversation for a few days I want to share with you folks some thoughts:
0. The guy named eco insists vehemently that brothawolf recognises his statement regarding whites as false because said statement is based on trolls which are, at most, a subset of white people and therefore cannot, logically, be applied to all whites. My comments:
1. When people speak we are supposed to interpret what they say both “by letter” and “by substance”. In the first sense brothawolf’s statement is obviously false (he does not know all whites and therefore cannot speak about all of them). But what about the substance of his statement? Is it false too?
2. Do you know eco that logic, that you repeatedly refer to, can have different meanings? We can speak about logic in a “narrow sense” or in a “latu senso”. In the narrow sense you can be refering to the laws governing strict deductive thought. But in the “latu senso” one can include also other sets of rules including the ones that govern inductive reasoning. And do you know what? We all need to resort to inductive reasoning most of the time to navigate the events and scenarios that appear to us day by day. Next I will give you a few examples…
3. eco, let’s try to think about the day of tomorrow. What do you intend to do? Do you think to wake early morning, take a shower, shave your teeth, eat a snack and prepare yourself to go to work? If this is the case let me ask you: are such thoughts “logically” meaningful? How do you know that the day of tomorrow will be a normal day as you have lived until now? How do you know that tomorrow we will not be watching a visit by space aliens or that the sun will be gone? You don’t know! Strictly speaking you don’t know and “logically” you should not be planning anything ahead of the next day of your life, less yet the next month or year. What you have lived until now is only a subset of all days, months, years and do not give you a firm basis to make assumptions about tomorrow. Strictly, “logically” speaking!
4. eco, don’t despair! You and me and all of us make plans about future days (and we can keep doing so!) because our Universe is highly regular and our brains are endowed with the ability to think inductively. Even not knowing all members of a set we look at subsets – called samples – extract from them patterns and regularities and we proceed to conclude – oft with success! – about the whole set! This is one of the main subjects of the science of Statistics, do you know? As I write and not very far my place, biologists and doctors are possibly going through a breaktrough in the fight against a deadly tropical disease and no, they haven’t looked at all possible patients carrying the disease but only to a relatively small subset of them! And I bet they are right on track! They are not being “illogical” for doing this! Look at: http://allafrica.com/stories/201211100042.html.
5. In your discussion with brothawolf you should try to figure out if his generalization could possibly be applied to a significant part of the set of white persons or not. Sometimes generalizations make sense, sometimes not. And you should also try to see if his statement was socially relevant or trivial. This should be your focus and not a reference to a very general “law of logic” (which, by the way, you don’t seem to know the proper context where to apply). This could lead to a fruitful discussion. As it is, to me your attitude seems more to be a derailing attempt! As an observer I see an interesting topic – worth discussing – become a stupid walk around tautologies!
munu aka Bantu
P.S:
eco, please, don’t conflate “logic” and “math”. Although closely related, they are different domains of thought! Strictly speaking…
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[…] So, let me ask again. Is the following illogical and immoral: White people have problems when it comes to POC. You check out the beef here. […]
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@sharina
“Heck I think we all agree they have different kinds and levels of racists and racism.”
So the single racist mindset brothawolf was talking about doesn’t exist. It’s not as unified as he made it seem.
@brothawolf
“Okay. You said it IS illogical. I agree because like I said a million and one times, RACISM IS NOT LOGICAL.”
I was talking about my claim that what YOU said was illogical.
“Also, why should I address your reasoning?”
To defend your own reasoning?
“That makes you experienced, not necessarily an expert. ”
Yeah, that’s how I see it too.
@munu aka Bantu
I’m using very basic terms because I think only that applies in this case. We are discussing an extremely subjective topic. We do not have a single definition of racism, or a racist, We can not rely on people’s actions and need to consider their thoughts too. We do not have a system that would allow us to measure how successful our attempts were at making predictions about their thoughts and beliefs and when we analyze actions it’s safe to assume there will be different interpretations and at least a few ideas about motives.
“As I write and not very far my place, biologists and doctors are possibly going through a breaktrough in the fight against a deadly tropical disease and no, they haven’t looked at all possible patients carrying the disease but only to a relatively small subset of them! And I bet they are right on track! They are not being “illogical” for doing this!”
Unfortunately, in the case of the ‘disease’ we are discussing, people do not seem to be able to agree who is carrying and who isn’t, what are the symptoms, who is cured, how do you cure someone, how is the disease spreading, are there any patterns etc.
People can agree about these things, but only in the most extreme cases of infections. I think we all sense there is more, but we have different, often conflicting, ideas about what “more” is.
If you believe this can be analyzed with logic that isn’t so basic please try to do it.
“In your discussion with brothawolf you should try to figure out if his generalization could possibly be applied to a significant part of the set of white persons or not.”
I’m afraid that would be very subjective and ultimately useless.
“please, don’t conflate “logic” and “math”. Although closely related, they are different domains of thought! Strictly speaking…”
True, but does logic have a tool stronger than math? One that is harder to dismiss?
One more thing. As you can probably guess, I think ‘sensu stricto’ usually means ‘in the strict, precise sense’ and rarely ‘in the narrow sense’. 🙂
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@ Eco
You are refusing to answer the question while still trying to maintain that brothawolf is wrong. I feel this is a form of derailment. Stop trying to use brothawolf to escape the question.
DO WHITE RACIST NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE OF COLOR?
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Is there some other type of white racist that does not have a problem with people of color? If you can’t answer those questions them I feel you have given me the clear answer that you are not only wrong but full of s***t to boot.
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@sharina
Maybe you should sit this one out. Munu aka Bantu clearly knows what (s)he is doing. I do not think you do. Watch him/her. Make notes. Learn.
If you actually understood what my point is, you would know why I am ignoring your question. You are asking me to make the kind of general statement I say people shouldn’t make. How am I supposed to answer if I do not know who do you mean by “racist whites”? Also, are you assuming racist people “have a problem” with ALL the other races?
Really, sit this one out. You are not good at this.
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@ Eco
Munu aka Bantu is trying to make a point in regards to logic something clearly different from the point I am getting at here. Again you are trying to lump what I am saying into others peoples so you can dismiss it. Avoidance tactic so to speak.
“How am I supposed to answer if I do not know who do you mean by “racist whites”?—-Well Eco are there other types of racist white people I need to know about that think differently about people of color? If you would answer my question you would know where to start with this. Unless there is a white racist that does not have a problem with people or person of color then you know full well the answer to this.
” Also, are you assuming racist people “have a problem” with ALL the other races? “—I personally don’t assume. They could have a problem with one race or all. I may have said this before as well.
I am asking you personally your opinion. This is not the logic quiz. Is there a white racist (any or all) that does not have a problem with POC (any or all)? Simple yes or no. More if you choose to elaborate.
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@ eco
The difference between you and muntu is that he/she uses logic but does not hide behind it. You are and hiding behind it. You assume way too much about people, yet have some obsessive nerve to want to yell logic when it suites you. I will say this again…..i understand your logics and what you are trying to say but that is not what i am asking and that is not the point i am making here. I am guessing you are trying to think ahead of me and figure out what i am going to say before i say it. Dont.
You can use the i am ignoring you excuse because of blah reasoning as long as it makes you feel better,but it still comes around to avoidance. I believe this because you could have acknowledge the question and not generalize. InsInstead you did what most people do when they cant answer or are afraid to answer certain question. Pretend it is not there.
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@ ego
I dont pretend to be good or great at this, but if i wasn’t something then you would not be arguing for days with me about it.
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let’s be productive here…
i don’t see how conversations such as “WHITENESS IS EVIL” or the opposite “BLACKNESS IS EVIL” is going to get ANYONE further. it is only going to divide people. yes, white people have done some really evil shit, that much is obvious. but when you write posts about how WHITE IS EVIL, then you wonder why white people fear blacks… where is the logic in that? of course they would be scared, because they know black people hate them cause they’re “evil” !! so it’s just going in cycles of hate.
i think a huge part of it is that white people don’t know how they could ever make up for what their people have done,and your post seems to imply this. of course black people tell them they can’t. so think of it like an argument where someone really fucked up, but they know the person will never forgive them, and will hate them forever. so they are probably going to “avoid eye contact” as you put it and pretend like the issue (racism) doesn’t exist, because it appears to be unsolvable. i’m not saying this it right, but i think it has to do with the issue. the average white person is scared because they know they fucked up, and they know that black people are PISSED about it. so what do they do? they act like it’s no biggie because it threatens their comfortable existence. they’re scared because black people write posts like this about how WHITENESS IS EVIL.
now i am white, but i believe i have a better understanding of this than the average white person, because i grew up in a very poor and very diverse city in NY. my community gets involved with anti-poverty, anti-racism, minority rights and all that. i have been treated like garbage by police and the public for being homeless, and i have been profiled and illegally searched (and arrested) all because of my dreadlocks. on the other hand, i know that i have what they call “white privilege.” if i am asking someone for help, and there is a black man across the street who needs the same thing, i know i’m probably gonna get approached first… i am aware of all these things.. but i didn’t ask for this white privilege, in the same way you didn’t ask for oppression, we have centuries of history behind us and a personal lifetime of media trying to tell us who we are or should be. i am not racist in my heart, but i see racism all around me, and because of the color of my skin, i am unavoidably a part of the racist system.
my question is.. what the hell can we DO about this?!
how can each of us accept other colors of skin and erase all prejudices behind them? we KNOW white people fucked up. we KNOW there is a systematic racism in our society today. but nobody can continue to hold hate in their heart if we are ever going to progress… or else the cycle continues. hating on white people for being racist is like bombing for peace. i am not trying to deny the tragedy of this country, but broad statements like “WHITENESS IS EVIL” are only going to further isolate white people from the understanding that we are all equal and worthy people.
instead of spreading more hate and negativity, spreading more fear and demonizing (whether it’s of black people or white people), let’s talk about how to spread more POSITIVITY, acceptance of cultural differences, and changing a racist system. what are some tangible things we can actually DO (especially for white people) to end racism?
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@ Eco or ego
Now that I am no longer in church I can elaborate my thoughts.
1. I don’t think your issue is with generalization of brothawolf’s statement as you claim. I think you have an issue with him. If generalization and the falsehood of his statement was such an issue then you would pretty much be in a debate on the matter everyday. Many have made similar generalizations and you have not jumped on not one of them for it. Because it is a free country you are free to hide behind that lie.
2. In the process of you kissing munu aka Bantu azz you fail to realize one thing. That like many others she or he has stated that you are derailing. ” I do not think you do. Watch him/her. Make notes. Learn”–I am here to learn so this is not the insult you thought it might be. Looks like I learned (rolling eyes) that you are derailing. Nice surprise. It is noted
3. This is the statement that is causing so much trouble:
WHITE PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE OF COLOR (POC).
Now we know that all white people do not have a problem with people of color. It was later specified to: RACIST WHITE PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE OF COLOR (POC). From here i asked if there is a racist white that does not have an issue with people of color? You ignored. You did not need to know any real specifics to answer that question. If there was a kind that did not have a problem with people of color all you had to do was tell what kinds. Then this whole thing would have been dropped. If you did not know of any then you could have said ” I don’t know” and it would have been dropped. Instead to maintain the illusion that you know all you decided to ignore and further reiterate that brothawolf is wrong. The issue or questions were not directed at brothawolf and he had at this point been taken out of the equation. The focus was now on you and your thoughts.
See the only thing that can be considered general is people of color. This could be any large set of people and white racist can hate one or all people of color. I have yet to meet a white racist that loves a person of color or people of color. Which is why I asked you if there was a group I did not know about. See I ask questions and do not assume. You avoid them and are quick to assume. All of your assumptions so far have been wrong.
I have found myself rewording questions and everything thinking it was a matter of you did not understand what I was saying. In that regard I am wrong because it is not a matter of you not understanding….it is a matter of you avoiding. I don’t like to assume so I will refrain from assuming why it is you are avoiding, but you are not right. In fact you are wrong. I know you are going to go on about me not understanding logic because you don’t actually understand what it is I am telling you you are wrong about. I will give you a hint though. It is not about what brothawolf said. Now if you decide to go on by all means be my guest, but until you answer that question then everything you say is pointless. Pointless for me and pointless for you. You will be once again trying to talk your way out of the hole you dug (derailment). Good luck with that.
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Eco, I’m honestly tired of this arguing, and this thread has swollen to the point where it takes a while to load up on my computer. It’s time to move on because at the rate it’s going, it could go on forever. These are my final comments regarding this whole pointless debate.
“Also, why should I address your reasoning?”
To defend your own reasoning?
I’ve been defending my reasoning to the hilt. I used examples and explain why I said what I said and why I won’t take it back. I’ve done MORE than enough in those regards, and that’s why I’m moving on because this is just quicksand. For some reason my defense isn’t good enough in your eyes to just want to stop and think without finding excuses – yes, excuses to reject it instantly. I don’t expect you to agree with them, but I did expect (I don’t know why) some viable reason as to why I’m wrong, why my comment was immoral, and whatever else. All I’ve gotten was the same empty comments. You know it. I know it. Sharina knows it. And anyone else witnessing this spectable knows it too.
“That makes you experienced, not necessarily an expert. ”
Yeah, that’s how I see it too.
But as Muntu has shown, you may know some, but you still have a lot to learn. Not every can walk around as if they are educated in a particular field and don’t feel as if they know everything about that subject. Even the wisest man has something yet to learn.
Oh yeah. I STILL stand by my comment and reasoning.
The bottom line is that if my comment touched a nerve, which I think it has, you should just say so and not hide behind your shields of illogic, immorality, math and the like trying to appear more mature and more knowledgeable (which is what I strongly think you were doing) on a subject you clearly need to learn more about. I will admit that I was offended by your claim that it was immoral. But I responded accordingly and did not derail from the thread or the topic.
Even you should know that this has gone on too long, but I don’t think you want to ponder on my comments so much as to demonize them. I also don’t think you want to appear as possibly wrong or you hate to “lose” this argument. This is just what I think, but this is not a win-lose conversation. This is where ideas, opinions and thoughts are exchanged. Facts are used. Emotions are used. All of that do not deconstruct the concept of logic.
Think about it.
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@ Brothawolf
I want to say thank you for saying that because I needed that wake up call myself. It takes days to get one answer from eco and really enough is enough. All the avoiding and derailing is tiring.
“But as Muntu has shown, you may know some, but you still have a lot to learn. Not every can walk around as if they are educated in a particular field and don’t feel as if they know everything about that subject. Even the wisest man has something yet to learn. “—I agree because no one knows everything, but him pretending to seems to be some type of defense mechanism for him
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Sharina,
You’re welcome and thanks.
I’ve said all I can say and more with eco, sometimes I’ve repeated myself. He has to learn that this definition of what is logical and moral is not the definite definition.
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@Sharina
“Munu aka Bantu is trying to make a point in regards to logic something clearly different from the point I am getting at here.”
You think so, because you do not understand Munu. (S)He has a much, much better idea about what needs to be done to defend you stance than either you or brothawolf have. You do not really get why I’m dismissing certain things, why I’m saying some things are baseless opinions. Munu does and has the right idea how one could show they are more than just opinions, that they are valuable, how they could explain more things than my reasoning can.
I should have sticked to my original idea and ignored you. I’ll try again from now on. I’m tired of talking to someone who does not understand the implications of their own questions, not to mention my answers.
“In the process of you kissing munu aka Bantu azz you fail to realize one thing. That like many others she or he has stated that you are derailing.”
My comments can be seen as derailing if there is a reasoning better than the one I presented. Munu says such a reasoning exists, but we have not seen it yet.
@brothawolf
“I’ve been defending my reasoning to the hilt.”
Originally, I pointed out that you are generalizing, that your opinion, belief about white people or white racists is not the truth about them. Then, instead of explaining how what you said is more than an opinion, how it’s ‘objective’, you started defending your right to voice your opinions. You explained why you believe it was ok you you to say these things, to feel a certain way, not why others should agree with you and accept your claims, see them as the truth.
“But as Muntu has shown, you may know some, but you still have a lot to learn.”
Actually, Munu hasn’t showed much yet. My precise (or “narrow” as she/he calls it) reasoning may not be the best one to analyze this issue, but Munu hasn’t presented a better one.
“Oh yeah. I STILL stand by my comment and reasoning. ”
And you still haven’t shown why others should consider it as more than just some subjective opinion.
“I will admit that I was offended by your claim that it was immoral. ”
I’ve explained, a few times already, that I do not think your reasoning was immoral. The ‘I can do it because others have done it’ justification is.
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@ Eco
“You think so, because you do not understand Munu.”—I think so because I asked a simple yes or no question and Muntu did not ask a question at all but was telling you what is what. I think it is quite different. I simply inquired and if someone is inquiring about something I did not know they had to prove something. So based on your logic. When you ask questions then you have to prove the questions you are asking is true and logical? ROFL!!!
:”I’m tired of talking to someone who does not understand the implications of their own questions, not to mention my answers.”—Oh how you assume so much. LOL. That is what is so funny about this. You assumptions keep allow you to be wrong and lose the debate itself. It would be nice for someone to enlighten you what is happening here but I am actually happy they haven’t. I figure since you know so much that you could answer those questions no problem. I saw you tell brothawolf he is wrong, kiss muntu aka buntu azz, and tell me I do not understand but I never once saw you answer my question.
“My comments can be seen as derailing if there is a reasoning better than the one I presented. Munu says such a reasoning exists, but we have not seen it yet.”–Wrong. Your comments can be seen as derailing when you are asked one thing and continue to talk about another not related to what you are asked. Which, by the way, you have been doing since this began.
“belief about white people or white racists is not the truth about them.”—Oh and you know the truth about them?
Here is a fact….1. You don’t understand. 2. Your a hypocrite. So you continue to ignore me because frankly you proved exactly what I needed you to.
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I want to say that this is a clear example of the damages of pride. Days have gone by of debating over a statement that was said to be a generalization and the person who made this claim has unknowingly (I am guessing) made a generalization himself. Now I am sure he will convince himself he did not and he will probably go on not realizing what he did, but there is much prideful people do not realize. I can only shake my head at this (with a smirk).
@ Brothawolf
believe it or not you actually won this debate. I would explain why I feel that way, but I would like eco to figure out why. I mean he is so smart and all he could not possible miss his very own failures. LMFAO
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@ Eco
One last thing. Please PLEASE oh please…Do not respond to me anymore. I have found there is nothing more pathetic than watching a man or boy scramble around a simple yes or no question. I have gotten a great laugh all week but it has become more sad that funny now.
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Eco
You should really just stop embarrassing yourself and stop rambling on about subjects you know nothing about. You need to drop the “I’m an expert on everything” attitude if you want to actually win an argument, because the quickest way to make everyone realize you’re just a dumbass is by repeating the same things even after everyone has told you you’re wrong and exactly why you are at that. Maybe you should just drop the act and admit you’re only playing this ridiculous game of question-and-refuse-to-answer because you feel offended that people are talking about racist whites.
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Frankly eco, I don’t care anymore.
“Originally, I pointed out that you are generalizing, that your opinion, belief about white people or white racists is not the truth about them. Then, instead of explaining how what you said is more than an opinion, how it’s ‘objective’, you started defending your right to voice your opinions. You explained why you believe it was ok you you to say these things, to feel a certain way, not why others should agree with you and accept your claims, see them as the truth.”
And why should it matter if others should or should not agree with me, or accept my claims as the truth?
“Actually, Munu hasn’t showed much yet. My precise (or “narrow” as she/he calls it) reasoning may not be the best one to analyze this issue, but Munu hasn’t presented a better one.”
So, why are you even bothering to drag this on if nobody, including you, according to you, has a reasoning most appropriate for this conversation?
“And you still haven’t shown why others should consider it as more than just some subjective opinion.”
And I don’t care. I don’t see why you should.
“I’ve explained, a few times already, that I do not think your reasoning was immoral. The ‘I can do it because others have done it’ justification is.”
You know what, eco, I’m finished. I’m tired and I’m ready to move on. YOU are the one trying to keep this argument on life support. I don’t see why this is such a big deal to you. Nobody does. Get over it, already.
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@brothawolf
“And why should it matter if others should or should not agree with me, or accept my claims as the truth? ”
Do you consider saying ignorant things as something negative? If you don’t, then you don’t have to care if the things that you believe are true are actually true. If you do, then you might want to analyze which elements of your worldview can be considered true, ‘objective’, and which are a matter of a person’s perspective, their individual experiences and beliefs. Being precise and avoiding talking about large, vaguely defined groups of people would be a nice touch too.
“So, why are you even bothering to drag this on if nobody, including you, according to you, has a reasoning most appropriate for this conversation?”
That’s not what I said. There MAY be a reasoning better than the one I presented, but such a reasoning hasn’t been put forward yet.
“I don’t see why this is such a big deal to you. Nobody does.”
That’s true. A lot of people here do not recognize ignorance when the ignorant statement fits into their worldview. Apparently some believe that certain ways of thinking are wrong only when the people they disagree with use these ways of thinking.
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Why don’t blacks want to live in AFRICA, if whites are so ‘mean’ to them, and ‘inferior’? LOL.
Any answers from the blacks? Why don’t you want to live around your own race?
Whites want to – but YOU keep forcing yourselves into OUR living space. Why are you here? Not enough whites in Africa?
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“Apparently some believe that certain ways of thinking are wrong only when the people they disagree with use these ways of thinking.”—Shall we all say hypocrite in unison. This is what I find funny because it was him screaming we were all wrong among other things. Belittling anyone that disagreed with him and now because we are not all not playing into this game of his he is trying to act civilized (or maybe it was Muntu aka Buntu giving him the reality check).
Oddly enough this was my original point. He presented himself as if he was some how better and above brothawolf simply because of the statement he made and in the end was doing everything he chastised brothawolf for.
Enough said……point proven….DONE.
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@ Steve Jones
“Why don’t blacks want to live in AFRICA, if whites are so ‘mean’ to them, and ‘inferior’? LOL.”—Strangely enough it is always racist whites who decided they are inferior. I guess you guys believe that then. So be it. white racists are inferior.
I would love to live in Africa. So what gave you the impression that I would not?
“Any answers from the blacks? Why don’t you want to live around your own race?”—What gave you that impression?
Now considering America is not actually whites land then you would have to gladly go back to where ever. Maybe the monarchs won’t try to persecute you for the treason of your ancestors (shrugs shoulder).
“Why are you here? Not enough whites in Africa?”—Besides the fact that I was born here?
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eco,
I’ll answer you in the Open Thread because I can see you’re already trying to derail this post into a subject all about you.
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^^^Having discussions like these with whites are completely pointless. It’s just a waste of time. These people will never understand nor do they want to understand what others go through. There are only THREE things and THREE things only you need to understand about them.
1. whites, in general, are a very HATEFUL people. They HATE difference (yet simultaneously, they thrive on it.). They especially have a severe hatred for those who are of darker hue.
2. They are very MANIPULATIVE. I think it’s even safe to say that they are probably the most manipulative group of people the world has ever seen. (there are millions of examples: white women tears, the ability to take a part of some one else’s culture and plastering themselves all over it to make it seem like it came from them, murdering whole races with guns and successfully labeling blacks as the most violent, twisting rules and laws just so they could always come out on top no matter how wrong they are, acting angry towards blacks as if we did something wrong to them when we have never hurt them the way they have us, the ability to make it seem like everything that has been in existence long before they ‘appeared’ started with them such as ‘math, language, music, art,’ and ect…. ect… )… Literally millions of examples… Don’t take anything they say as the complete truth.
3. They don’t care about justice. The only thing they care about is their SELF-IMAGE, because it allows them to do #2 effectively. As long as that image remains clean and pristine, everything is fine and dandy in their book.
Know these three things and nothing they say will surprise or upset you. It’s considered a sin for them to view and treat others as human, hell it’s considered a sin for them to even respect others. Discussions about race relations with them are pointless. I wish more blacks knew this.
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To ALL reading this–
ARABS ARE BLACK PEOPLE
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@G.
Your point?
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I cannot understand how anyone can believe that the colour of your skin determines whether you’re a ‘good’ or ‘bad’ person – skin colour is determined by biology influenced by environmental and evolutionary factors which dictate the level of melanin in our skin needed to be protected from UV rays. Basically, the sunnier/hotter the country you live in/descend from the darker your skin will be.
The things that make groups of people different are customs, beliefs, languages etc. When you (metaphorically of course!) strip all that away we’re the same: blood and tissue, fat and bone. We all bleed, we all break and we are all temporary. The path we chose makes us who we are, not the colour of our skin.
The fact that we are all human should unite us not divide us.
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“The path we chose makes us who we are, not the colour of our skin.”
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Heh …. I bet that’s REALLY EASY for YOU to say (and believe).
Go read about Joshua Solomon’s experiment, then come back and see if you can say the above — again.
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Matari
Why would it be easy for me specifically?
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@ Laura Ann
I think we all know that and we all have been trying to get racist whites to see just that. If you really want to make a impact then go to a racist white blog and say just that.
To often individuals like yourself come in and say this to black bloggers as if it is our fault racist whites view us the way they do. As if we are suppose to make the change. Hate to break it to you but change goes both ways. Even if all blacks extended the olive branch, it would require racist whites accept it.
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@ Laura Ann
I don’t know you or your situation, but until you experience racism then all of what you say is easy to say. It is people who have been told they are less smart, ugly, etc. simply because they are black that can truly attest to those hardships. I have not experienced any real face to face racism, but I also refrain from telling people in here what they should and should not do or how they should and should not feel.
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@Laura Ann
The things that make groups of people different are customs, beliefs, languages etc. When you (metaphorically of course!) strip all that away we’re the same: blood and tissue, fat and bone. We all bleed, we all break and we are all temporary. The path we chose makes us who we are, not the colour of our skin.
The fact that we are all human should unite us not divide us.
No. The real fact is that if whites and their ancestors had that same outlook on humanity, so much wouldn’t have happened to so many people of color over the centuries. White Europeans and White Americans have that divide-and-conquer mentality for which they use skin color and ethnicity as their excuse for basic global domination and demonization of all things darker than white. POC, like myself, are sick and tired of this being the so-called norm, and we’re sick and tired of being told that we are the ones always wrong when we dare to stand up to this sick obsession.
White racism and white supremacy divided the human race to what it is today. White privilege keeps that division alive.
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“Why would it be easy for me specifically?”
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Have you researched Joshua Solomon’s becoming a BLACK man experiment yet??? Therein his experience lies the epiphany to your apparently clueless/careless kumbaya-ish comment.
Sometimes one needs to leave their “ROSE” colored bubble, if only for a moment, to get a more real {{{truth}}} of another reality…
That’s what Joshua did. You ought to read/learn about it – and then come back here and tell us if you still stand by your previous opinion.
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Never before has such a terrible pustule of reverse racism come to my attention. You have the gall to generalize an entire race whilst accusing them of doing the same. Are you daft? You think all white people are vicious, tyrannical overlords because of something our ancestors did; as though the children of murderers are born murderers. Perhaps the particular CULTURE you’ve encountered in whatever ignorant part of the world you dwell in oppresses you and your race, but to put down my entire race based on the localized attitudes of some individuals is not only RACIST, but hateful, illogical, and dangerous.
Perhaps you should learn more about history before demonizing us, as it was WHITE MEN that signed off on the equality laws in place today. It was WHITE MEN running the news networks that gave your racial struggle the attention it needed. It was WHITE MEN that fought and died in the Civil War to end slavery, and a WHITE MAN president that lead the anti-slavery movement. Slavery was never condoned in a large amount of white majority countries – and in fact, my own country (Canada) was the end of an underground railroad designed by WHITE MEN AND WOMEN TO LIBERATE BLACK SLAVES. So perhaps rather than promoting the racial divisions you seem to despise, you should realize that actions belong to individuals, and that both despicable and great people can belong to any race or culture.
You should be fucking ashamed of this display. It hurts me to think that I’ve lived a moral life, with aiding my fellow man as a top priority, only to be hated for the colour of my skin – the same fucking thing you’re saying is wrong, you fools.
Hopefully one of you actually reads this and maybe your victim complex will subside, but probably not. You’ll probably continue to blame AN ENTIRE RACE for your problems because it’s easier that way. You people make me sick.
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@ White Man
Perhaps you should learn to READ. This post is about the “many White Americans” who “hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks.” First damn sentence of the post. In boldface even. If you do not hate, demonize, fear or look down on blacks then it is not about you. If you do not live in America it is not about you. Get a grip.
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Abagond
BUT the heading of the article is “Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?” Maybe you should learn to read what you write.
You talk yourself into circles, dude. All I can say is thank God I do not live your life. This is all you have, your hatred of whites. I can read some of the rubbish on this site and walk away for a couple of months but You live in it day in and day out, 24/7.
Shame!
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@ Wayne
Where in this post do I show hatred for whites?
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@ Wayne
No, you need to read what I wrote. “Whites” does not mean “ALL whites”:
You and White Man need to read what I WROTE, not put words in my mouth.
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I’m just throwing this out there because…. Well…..anyway, so if someone commits a crime repeatedly but then eventually learns it is wrong and stops doing it, does that mean the criminal is actually a good person? Should, the victims thank the criminal for stopping or merely forgive the criminal? And if the criminal was never punished because there was no law against the crime when it was first committed, does that mean no actual crime was committed? Or does it mean that the laws caught up to the morals of the society the criminal lives in? Finally, do the victims owe the criminal any special gratitude for obeying the law when it changed? Are they obligated to keep silent about the crime simply because it stopped? Are they wrong if they don’t see the end of the crime as a great relief but as just something that was long overdue?
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Never before has such a terrible pustule of reverse racism come to my attention.
Is that you Conrad Black, you constipated cockatrice you? They only ‘pustule’ is the one on your brain.
You have the gall to generalize an entire race whilst accusing them of doing the same.
Why not? We learnt from the best!
Are you daft?
Only half the time! The other half of the time is spent shucking and jiving and strumming on a banjo, or going to Bingo.
Perhaps the particular CULTURE you’ve encountered in whatever ignorant part of the world you dwell in oppresses you and your race, but to put down my entire race based on the localized attitudes of some individuals is not only RACIST, but hateful, illogical, and dangerous.
I am from Canada and let me assure you that they are just as racist as the white Americans but are more ‘polite’ and subtle in their approach. The systemic racism here is just as bad. I can attest to this in the real world, not on a blog where people discuss racism, or vent. In fact, the systemic racism is the worst for the fact that it is more subtle. This applies to education, employment and policing. STFU with your self-righteous white Canadian brand of bullsh$te.
Perhaps you should learn more about history before demonizing us, as it was WHITE MEN that signed off on the equality laws in place today.
‘White’ history, coupled with the current treatment meted out by the ‘enlightened’ white establishment is what I base my conclusions on, real life experiences, not something I read in books. The books only serve to put a name to modes of racist treatment served on a platter by you colour-blind racists and your ilk.
It was WHITE MEN running the news networks that gave your racial struggle the attention it needed. It was WHITE MEN that fought and died in the Civil War to end slavery, and a WHITE MAN president that lead the anti-slavery movement.
Listen, the bottom line in regards to slavery has always been the almighty dollar, economics, agrarian versus industrial economies. Television and newspapers?, the ad revenue. Morality was but another propaganda tool. Maybe you should read some history. My family managed to purchase as many of their relatives’ freedom as possible. Two sons escaped to Canada on their own without the help of anyone. They had to evade capture by traversing some very dangerous terrain to get up here. The other strand, the ones who came up here after the War of 1812, were ‘invited’ and were given land and freedom for helping the British. But that’s enough of a history snippet for you. You can find out about black history yourself as I had to (excepting oral traditions handed down and verified via records) ,another racist fact of life in the education system here in Canuck land.
Slavery was never condoned in a large amount of white majority countries – and in fact, my own country (Canada) was the end of an underground railroad designed by WHITE MEN AND WOMEN TO LIBERATE BLACK SLAVES.
You should really, really read history. There was no input from blacks with the underground railway eh? Perhaps the negroes back then and today, aren’t/weren’t sufficiently grateful eh?
So perhaps rather than promoting the racial divisions you seem to despise, you should realize that actions belong to individuals
Practice what you preach. Help out by dismantling the system of white supremacy, not just doing things that make you feel good about yourself and your whiteness.
It hurts me to think that I’ve lived a moral life, with aiding my fellow man as a top priority, only to be hated for the colour of my skin – the same fucking thing you’re saying is wrong, you fools.
If I had a violin I ‘d write you a concerto. That is mighty white of you helping all those people. Want a medal? Let me ‘educate’ you a little. For every action there is a reaction. Blacks cannot be racist. In the hierarchical society, blacks are at the bottom of the heap that is the dung hill of society. Blacks you think of as ‘racist’, are reacting to white supremacy. White supremacy is inculcated into the brains of blacks from birth either wittingly or unwittingly. It takes education and dint of will to sever the white supremacist ideation, most likely all never do totally. Got it? Blacks cannot be racist, repeat this refrain 500 times. It is a deflection on the part of whites who think so, as it makes them look less racist and guiltless when a ‘racist ‘black ‘, reacting to white racism, reacts.
Hopefully one of you actually reads this and maybe your victim complex will subside, but probably not. You’ll probably continue to blame AN ENTIRE RACE for your problems because it’s easier that way. You people make me sick.</em.
I don't have a 'victim' complex, can't speak for anyone else here though. In fact, I enjoy taking on the system of white supremacy in the real world! It has helped me acquire invaluable knowledge! I am not 'blaming' an entire race, just describing some of their modes of behaviour which is vital for navigating around white supremacy. The last thing you do is get angry actually, you get busy. The fact that you characterize people's reactions to white supremacy as a problem speaks to your own incipient racism. As for making you 'sick', you white racists(which is 90% and I'm being generous), make me sick, and have done so ever since the age of three being called ni!!ger and the ensuing years of navigating the systemic racism inherent in "Canadian" society. Nah, they make me laugh actually. But you know what? I get a chuckle out of clowns like you because you are par for the course, a col-our blind racist, the worst of the racist lot!!! 'O Canada" indeed.
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@ Wayne and White Man
I am glad you both can read the title, but I swear you need to go back to school and learn to actually read. “Why do many White Americans hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?”
Its in bold at that. Are glasses in order?
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@ White Man
“Slavery was never condoned in a large amount of white majority countries and in fact, my own country (Canada) was the end of an underground railroad designed by WHITE MEN AND WOMEN TO LIBERATE BLACK SLAVES.”
ALL “white majority countries” practised slavery at some point in history–ALL, including Canada until 1830.
You guys like to pretend it never happened, but it was a Canadian institution that lasted nearly 200 years.
Canada was not “the end of an underground railroad” it was AN end, along with other places like Mexico, Florida, Pennsylvania, etc. Free blacks (like William Still), escapees (like Harriet Tubman), and Native Americans were also part of the structure of the underground railroad–not just white people.
“It was WHITE MEN that fought and died in the Civil War to end slavery, and a WHITE MAN president that lead the anti-slavery movement.”
Black men fought and died in the American Civil War too, but that’s beside the point. The war was never about slavery but about unifying a divided country.
You should look up “civil war” in an encyclopaedia.
Lincoln never ever lead any “anti-slavery movement” of any kind. He merely believed slavery should not spread into the new territories. He famously stated:
“I think I am a Whig, but others say there are no Whigs, and that I am an abolitionist, even though I do no more than oppose the EXTENSION of slavery.”
and
“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is NOT either to save or to destroy slavery.”
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@ Herneith
I’m smiling this great BIG smile because of you!
VERY BIG … LOL
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LOL @ Herneith!!!
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my comment got swept away under the arguments….
as a white person, what can i DO to dismantle the system of racial oppression?
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Herneith,
Your responses are why I like you so much. LOL
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Herneith at her best! Lol!
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@ J rinn
Your comment got answered. You need to scroll up and find the response to you.
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Its amazing how whiteman, Whiteblack, wayne Yawn and even eco, feel no compulsion to make rational point.
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@ Crusader what is it that you are claiming? Africans had written language thousands of years before a euro peeing had a shoe or a window or knew how to bathe. In Mali, Songhai, Timbuktu, Nubia, Egypt, Ethiopia, …when Black Muslims conquered and ruled Europe for 800 years we taught you how to bathe, how to read and write…that the world was not flat it was round…for your people had lived in the dark ages for so long you wallowed in your ignorance. The Great muslim universities were built all over europe and your renaissance was born. You dont dwell in the dark ages for 100’s of years then just start painting rembrants. Finally the Moores were expelled from their last stronghold in Spain in, guess what year? ….1492! You better get back in your history books and read what Constantine De Volney tried to tell you and E. Wallace Budge because they tried to tell you the truth.
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This is why I enjoy this blog spot so much. Henrieth, you made it simple and plain. * thunderous applause* 🙂
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@ Steve (and I don’t care if Steve is gone, this posts is for ALL racists)
You (had the nerve) to say this:
“Why don’t blacks want to live in AFRICA, if whites are so ‘mean’ to them, and ‘inferior’? LOL.
Any answers from the blacks? Why don’t you want to live around your own race?
Whites want to – but YOU keep forcing yourselves into OUR living space. Why are you here? Not enough whites in Africa?
This is what is interesting with true racists. They are REALLY stupid. I mean so stupidly stupid it’s hilarious.
But the problem is that it would be hilarious if it was not tragic. For those they constantly annoy, target and try to destroy.
I am what the clique of scientists, philosophers called “the Enlightment” (they were of my nationality, French), politicians and capitalists of the 17th, 18th and 19th called “white”.
Steve, go to a library and open a history book: it will tell you that Europeans (your ancestors apparently) and Africans (those who were deported as Africans and arrived as slaves, not those who traveled freely to the New World before most Europeans didn’t know there was one) WERE NOT the original inhabitants of the Americas. Question one answered.
Even though I’m not classified as “black”, I will answer the second question because people like you totally disgust me. CAN YOU please, live around what YOU call “your own race”, self-called “Whites” (because Europeans were the first to invent their “own race”, not Africans or other dark-skinned people) and LEAVE US (who want to live together in peace with others) the F…. ALONE ! (You don’t know how good it feels to throw that in your face).
You DARE ADDRESS the descendants of Africans with such a statement: ” YOU keep forcing yourselves into OUR living space”
YOU DARE !!!! YOU ARE SO PATHETIC !
And here we close the loop: “Why are you here ?” Answer given above.
PA – THE – TIC. RACISTS ARE PA – THE – TIC.
And stick to the rest of the world like LEECH.
WAR !
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It’s funny how far from the truth this article is. All of the Black people posting support for this article are sadly mistaken. I’m white and I was raised by parents who teach in city schools where the population is almost 100% black. I’ve never been raised as a racist. Growing up in school, I had to read books which promoted equality. I never viewed anybody else in a negative light before meeting them based upon their race. BUT, as I’ve grown older I’ve seen that it doesn’t matter if I’m nice/accepting of blacks. The attitude is NOT reciprocated. I get funny looks when I’m in mostly black areas, shitty service (most of the time) when I patron black shops. It’s painfully obvious for us “whities, honkeys, crackers, etc.” to see that black people hate us just as much as we “supposedly” hate you guys.
I’m liberal and voted for Obama twice. Do you think if Obama didn’t get a good portion of the white vote that he would have ever even come close to winning? NO! Point is there’s tons of liberal whites like myself who are a little disillusioned to helping blacks in particular because in everyday society the hatred you guys have for us is so fucking evident. Of course people are going to deny that this is true, but hopefully somebody who is real and isn’t afraid of admitting the fact that there is a widespread hatred for whites in the black community will post up. I don’t feel this way about Asians, Latinos, Indians, etc. because I don’t receive the same type of disrespect and hatred from other races- just black people. Take your fucking heads out of your asses.
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It’s funny how far from the truth this article is.
Not really, your response however is hilarious!
I never viewed anybody else in a negative light before meeting them based upon their race. BUT, as I’ve grown older I’ve seen that it doesn’t matter if I’m nice/accepting of blacks. The attitude is NOT reciprocated.
What a bunch of ungrateful negroes! A white man tries to be nice to them and they aren’t hollering ‘yes sah’! to him. The dastardly devils!
It’s painfully obvious for us “whities, honkeys, crackers, etc.” to see that black people hate us just as much as we “supposedly” hate you guys.
Getting knee capped is painful, not people who do not respond to your ‘politeness’.
Point is there’s tons of liberal whites like myself who are a little disillusioned to helping blacks in particular because in everyday society the hatred you guys have for us is so fucking evident.
It is time for some introspection on your part. You never liked blacks in the first place and are looking for an excuse to ‘legitimize’ this viewpoint to yourself. No need to feel guilty. You are joining the millions of other openly white racists, you are not alone!
I don’t feel this way about Asians, Latinos, Indians, etc. because I don’t receive the same type of disrespect and hatred from other races- just black people.
When you are getting your buttocks perpetually kissed by those folks why would you? Perhaps if us black folks kissed white behind like that, then you would be shown some respect. I think I am going to go and purchase this item so I can kiss white buttocks all day long at will:
Satisfied?
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Wow Mike,
Give it to Mikey he’ll eat anything. Maybe you need some Cheerios. You expect people to like you. I have been in places where I was the only black person and yes a lot the whites there weren’t happy to seem. I don’t expect every white person to. I don’t hate white people because I know the person I expect myself to be. You seem lost Mike, I really hope you find yourself because that amount of hate in you is eating you. Like one of those face suckers in Alien has implanted in you something and it is waiting to crawl out. Only you can be the person you are supposed to be if hating blacks is beneficial to you then it was your choice. No one can make you do anything. Even at gun point, when an ex-girlfriend’s father told me he didn’t want my dark N- hands touching his daughter. I could have choose to ignore him. Instead I picked the option of making her an ex. Do I hate all white men because this type of hatred (while the gun was extreme I have heard those words a lot) no. In the end his daughter did commit suicide. Which is ashame because she was very cool her art was amazing and she was uber smart, with a laugh that could light up an auditorium. She is gone whatever it was that chew up her father she ended up marrying a white guy who beat the crap out of her and we think but aren’t sure but he might have caused her miscarriage.
I think Mike you should really check that hate so what if people around you are hateful; what matters after all is the person you are. If you choose hate ultimately it is yours choice not anyone elses. I’m not above it I have two people in my past I can’t find it in my heart to like.I work on that every day because I have a baby now and that crap can filter into your kids.
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Mike is trying to present an argument to invalidate the premise of the blog post “It’s funny how far from the truth this article is.”
However, in doing so, he actually validates the premise he is arguing against. Abagond had a word for those kind of argument “Roys .. . ????”. I can’t find it in the glossary.
It sounds like he carries this sense of white privilege wherever he goes and is alarmed when he doesn’t receive all the benefits that come with it. My mother used to think like this sometimes, and she didn’t like it when I pointed it out to her.
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Mike says,
It’s funny how far from the truth this article is. All of the Black people posting support for this article are sadly mistaken. I’m white and I was raised by parents who teach in city schools where the population is almost 100% black. I’ve never been raised as a racist. Growing up in school, I had to read books which promoted equality. I never viewed anybody else in a negative light before meeting them based upon their race. BUT, as I’ve grown older I’ve seen that it doesn’t matter if I’m nice/accepting of blacks. The attitude is NOT reciprocated. I get funny looks when I’m in mostly black areas, shitty service (most of the time) when I patron black shops. It’s painfully obvious for us “whities, honkeys, crackers, etc.” to see that black people hate us just as much as we “supposedly” hate you guys.
Translation: Black people are delusional as this article shows. White people don’t hate them. No, the problem really is that black people hate whites and there is no good reason why they should. And my personal experience is the same with most whites everywhere.
I’m liberal and voted for Obama twice. Do you think if Obama didn’t get a good portion of the white vote that he would have ever even come close to winning? NO! Point is there’s tons of liberal whites like myself who are a little disillusioned to helping blacks in particular because in everyday society the hatred you guys have for us is so fucking evident. Of course people are going to deny that this is true, but hopefully somebody who is real and isn’t afraid of admitting the fact that there is a widespread hatred for whites in the black community will post up. I don’t feel this way about Asians, Latinos, Indians, etc. because I don’t receive the same type of disrespect and hatred from other races- just black people. Take your fucking heads out of your asses.
Translation: I’m a liberal. I voted for a black man to be President. So, I can’t possibly be racist. Also, there are many more like me who are liberal and voted for Obama, and they are not racist either. Still, you hate us poor whites, and only you people hate us, not other races. I COMMAND YOU TO STOP HATING US!!
I think I translated the white-splaining accurately enough. LOL 🙂
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lol @ brothawolf you translated perfectly.
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Whatever. The only good point I can see is from King of Trouble, saying that I expect people to like me. I DO. Not because of some fucking “white privilege” that seems like such a recurrent theme on this website. I expect people to like me because I’m kind, helpful, and genuine with people. I treat others in the ways in which I’d like to be treated. As K of T said, it might be foolish to think this way. I’ve grown to learn this gradually as I’ve gotten older- you simply can’t please everybody. I’m sorry about your ex girl’s racist dad and what ultimately happened with her.
Herneith- you’re a joke. Yeah, I say that it seems like the outward hatred for whites by blacks is extremely evident in my day to day interactions and that I don’t get this type of vibe/treatment from other races. They must be kissing whitey’s ass right? Your statement automatically implies that I deal with these other races in a master type attitude, like I’m some rich, snobby white guy. Couldn’t be farther from the truth. I know I’m not special. My doctor is Indian and waaay smarter than me. Does he kiss my ass when I go for a checkup? Not every white person is some stuffy old rich guy or self entitled spoiled kid. But whatever justifies your bitterness, be my guest. Let it eat away at you. Can’t be too healthy.
FYI this was the first article I read on this site, but after posting my comment I browsed a bit and read some more. This site it a place where black people profess their hatred for whites. You can reply with whatever logic you want to try to dispute that statement. No sense in arguing with people who clearly dislike whites to begin with.
I quote the owner of this site from another blog post “Blacks cannot be racist.” Give me a fucking break. This site is a shining example of racism towards whites by blacks. It’s no better than racist white sites that promote racial propaganda. As smart as some of you posters may think you are, I know that there are far more intelligent people of your race out there who don’t share your twisted beliefs. It’s people like you on both sides of the color spectrum who help fuel the fire for racial tension (yes I know there’s many other factors that play into it). Have fun hating whitey and writing your long-winded justifications of your statements.
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@ Mike
1. Where did I say, “Blacks cannot be racist” ? I find that surprising since I believe the opposite.
2. Do you think I hate white people? If so, how do you know? Can you give an example? Actual quotes would be helpful.
Thanks.
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@mike
I have read the vast majority of the blog posts all the way back to 2006 (about a thousand in total) and I never received the impression at all that there is any widespread expression of hatred of whites, esp. by the blogger. It has also been stated hundreds of times on this blog that blacks are racist also.
And I am not a black person.
Yes, please provide actual examples of what you mean.
There is one thing the blogger has done a few times that made me feel uncomfortable, even “OUCH”. I think there are some groups of people that have been vilified on this blog, but it is not really whites (at least in the general sense).
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i do not fear anyone…
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Whites look better than non whites. No one likes rough skin, pitch dark mundane skin, face like a chimp, huge lips, curly hair etc. People like light skin, colored eyes, soft flowing hair, soft skin, soft features, elegant bone structure. White people DO have superiority in the looks department.
Whites are not the smartest and share the same % as other races. Asians seem to be brighter. Blacks are mostly good at sports, physical activities. Look at Africa – still a land of savages. If Blacks were so civilized, how come Africa is not Canada?
Look at Asia. Its booming. China has a larger economy that Germany.
Life is not fair. Get over it. Whoever made the world, did a lousy job!
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I am not racist at all. I have many many friends that are black and I am myself not white. But I am NEVER attracted to a black woman. Or even asian woman. That is why most successful people take white wives (incl black). Most brown or black people would get rid of their blackness if they could marry into white. Makes sense. No one wants lousy genes to pass.
I think that non whites should reduce their populations. That is the only way to make the world more friendly and less hostile. The whites should breed more so we have a planet of nicer looking people.
Plus, non whites are just as racist. Look at Japanese, they think they are “white” and better than chinese! Go figure! So this squity eyed, yellow faced, short height ugly people are RACIST! LOL!
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@ Jon
you are not white. You are not black, so i guess you are stupid and self hating. Go figure.
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Jon writes:
“I think that non whites should reduce their populations. That is the only way to make the world more friendly and less hostile.”
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What makes you think a world of far more whites and far fewer People of Color, that whites would be any friendlier / less hostile than they are now?!
Whites would probably be even more hostile and bullying toward the few PoC that were left; and there’d definitely be more hostility between the various ‘white’ ethnic groups, as they’d have fewer PoC to use as punching bags / targets for their hate.
After the ‘whites’ finally got rid of all the remaining PoC, ‘whiteness’ / being ‘white’ would no longer have any meaning for them and they’d turn the full blast of the hostility onto each other. [Or, perhaps, the ‘Nords’ would try to turn the typically swarthier ‘Meds’ into their new whipping boys of color.]
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Jon
The second you felt the need to type “I am not racist at all” is when you probably should have considered not commenting at all.
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Jon,
Look reality sucks. Whites dominate in the looks department. Look at models. Even in India the light indians are admired. Successful Blacks marry whites, etc.
No one likes oversized, rough features. Or even dark/brown Indian or asian features. Whites look beautiful – much like the color in a rainbow or the colors around us. Learn to give credit where it belongs. If we dont have it, someone else does.
It is hard to see the world being unfair. It makes us mad. I see fat people, ugly people, people with no brains etc. Most blacks KNOW that they are not attractive. Need more evidence? Go to a strip club. Check how many black dancers get dances versus white ones. And even the black men dance with white ones!
Why did “God” made the world this way? No one knows.
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I came from dark skinned country. Trust me, lighter skinned is considered beautiful. And Non whites are just as racist. They will discriminate and gang up at the slightest chance. Do you think Chinese will marry black? Ask a Chinese person and she will tell you. Data shows Asians prefer to marry white in the US.
Going black is simply the bottom of the food chain. Period. You may love the black person for some reason but your kids will have no looks and you will be lucky if they get top brains.
Asian woman and men are not considered attractive either – but more than blacks. Asians are brainy so that is a plus for them.
The white population generally more educated. The asians are swarming and breeding like insects. Most live in dirty polluted countries with little education except some medieval barbaric religion like Islam. That is what I meant by “reduce” populations. So white countries are cleaner and the whole world wants to immigrate there!
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All of you sitting here and commenting would not go to a SINGLE country in Africa and live there. Why? If the blacks are so civilized, why are Africans still living 1000 years ago? Common…accept something…
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Jon
Do the asylum caretakers know you’re out of your padded room? I’d suggest getting back there before they find out.
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It’s kind of funny how these white racists think they can spoon feed us their drivel by pretending to be a Person of Color.
White Racist or Uncle Ruckus type…it doesn’t matter as I’m I’m still not going for any of it.
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@ jon
If blacks were not attractive then we can conclude that mixed races don’t exist. Should be no black models or actress. Black sisters engages married dating other races are all liars. No way that right
I would love to go to Africa. In fact my husband and i discussd it along with the idea of going to Mexico.
I might efeel sorry for misguided jon.
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@
jon
Last I checked i don’t remember blacks coming to America freely…and was this land not taken from the Iians? I guess you meant to say whites flock to others land…take it and conclude it as their oaown.
You should take your show on the road.
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Correction Indians
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Jon, you are a few cards short of a deck.
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His aces were replaced with jokers. 😛
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Yes the whites took Indian land and they are not “nice” by any means. They are very racist. They will annihilate to get what they want and I have already said that they are not the brightest (and hence not a superior race).
All I have said is that they are superior in the looks department. Blacks are superior in physical built department. Asians are likely in the brains department (or at least compete with whites).
Overall whites present the best human combination of brains and beauty. All evidence, statistical or otherwise supports this. I have already given many examples.
I understand that blacks and Asians feel bad about not having those looks. I dont have them either. But I am not insecure to say it that I dont!
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Here is a link for black athletes and white women: http://bossip.com/696652/black-athletes-and-white-women3920/
Tiger numerous mistresses were ALL WHITE. GO figure!
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“Yes the whites took Indian land and they are not “nice” by any means. They are very racist. They will annihilate to get what they want [….]”
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Well, you know it has been said that it wasn’t the smartest but the meanest, most bloodthirstiest, murderous cutthroats who were the ones to survive millennia of trolling the frozen tundra.
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Caffeine & Nicotine: We might agree on your point. Yes, they are usually cold and mean. History also supports them to be ruthless and racist.
Many non whites are not lacking in meanness department also. Tales are endless. I also do not find blacks to be any nicer – just as selfish. I was racially profiled on jobs and found no black support (they just protected their own jobs). It was some whites actually that had some feelings (did not help in any case).
Point is this: non whites do not have a case unless they demonstrate that they are less racist, morally better and more civilized. All else being equal, whites have superiority in looks and no evidence of brains goes against them. They also also more educated.
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Agabond,
Please, please, please, monitor your comments better. It seems as if another commenter who does not understand grammar and punctuation has slipped through your screening process. After all if I have to read how intelligent or stupid certain groups of people are, I would like to read it in proper English. It shows that you have a higher IQ after all.
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@ Anne
I do not delete comments for bad English so long as they still make sense. I let people shoot themselves and their arguments in the foot.
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@ Jon
Get real. Beauty is highly subjective and is heavily affected by Hollywood and the world fashion industry, both run by whites. I think black woman on the whole are way more beautiful than white woman, but I do not state it like some kind of objective truth. Science gave up on that kind of stuff in the 1800s.
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Agabond,
I understand. It looks like there are a lot of injured feet on this post.
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abagond: Things unfortunately are not that subjective. Do you like fat white hairy women (who SHAVE THEIR FACE)? Would you marry her? Our standards of beauty are based on our sense of nature: blue skies, blue ocean, green trees, colorful flowers etc. We do not like pitch dark skies, black trees and all black or brown surroundings! Blue eyes and blonde flowing hair looks so pretty (with a nice face!)
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Look at Michelle Obama and compare her with Laura Bush. Here is a typical Black woman compared to a typical white woman. Enough said…
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^^^ LMAO. Speak for yourself.
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@jon–
All of you sitting here and commenting would not go to a SINGLE country in Africa and live there. Why? If the blacks are so civilized, why are Africans still living 1000 years ago? Common…accept something…
I don’t usually respond to white posters of your type on here, so take out your notebook.
You apparently feel superior to Blacks. You actually stated that you think that Whites have more brains and beauty than Blacks. Preposterous. Your comments show that you have swallowed lots of misinformation about Whites and Blacks to make yourself feel good. I find that most of the Blacks on this forum have also swallowed enough foul information to make themselves unwell. In both cases, that works against improved race relations.
We know from White historians that many American Whites are the offspring of criminals: thieves, killers, liars, perverts, morally depraved, mentally unbalanced, retards, feeble-minded, defects. Some of these traits are passed through genetics.The UK dumped enormous amounts of its White trash garbage in America and Australia. So we know that many of you come from people who were depraved thugs and gangstas and carry those traits. Many of you still talk and behave as depraved defects. It doesn’t matter if some of you are highly-educated, articulate with perfect teeth, modulated voices, wear 3-piece suits, and sit in corporate offices.
But some of you are also decent, normal human beings like my White fiance, but he would never try to assert any type of White superiority because both he and I know the history.
Some African people are foul too. Many of them are corrupt to their core. They helped in the capture and enslavement of their own by some of you. African countries are still paying for that, but your depraved tendencies are still in your blood and in your culture, and some of you are proud of it.
I know some Blacks here have stated that they’ve felt inferior to Whites, but some of us could never feel inferior to any of you because we know who your ancestors were. We know how you got here.
My parents are American Blacks, but I mostly grew up outside America and lived among lots of other groups. I went to boarding school in an Africa country for 8 years. I still go there sometimes to visit and I may go there to live. My fiance and I have talked about that. Africa is very different from America and that’s what fools people. Different.There are advantages and disadvantages in each place, but you’ll hardly find any European who has lived in Africa who doesn’t want to go back there to live. America has lots of technology and conveniences, but I find most White and Black Americans to be socially retarded, severely lacking in social skills. Africans tend to be socially advanced with intricately refined social skills.
Whites like you may find this shocking, but Europeans who have lived in Africa, tend to love Africa. They never want to leave. White and Black Americans have the money to go Africa, but they prefer to remain ignorant, arrogant and under-exposed.
But that’s on par with European culture since it tends to exclude people. . This is what causes them to be able to justify abominable deeds like killing millions of others to take what they want from them. This is their thug-gangsta mentality that they continue.
There are some Africans who live a simpler life. Many Americans would also love to leave the rate-race and return to a simpler life.
So we live in a world where those with the thug-gangsta mentality are the most powerful and rule. Some Whites have been spared the thug-gangsta mentality, but I would hope that the Black Americans here would realize that no amount of reasoning, statistics, or “proof” of any type is ever going to persuade thug-ganstas to be fair.
The world will either change or be nuked one day. When or if the latter happens, it will be because of people who mostly have your socially retarded belief system.
In the meantime, I believe that Black Americans need to build their families and communities in order to exercise as much power as possible.Unlike some Black Americans, I know how to maneuver systems, so I can get my needs met and won’t lack for creature comforts. I don’t see any reason why they shouldn’t make sure they’re comfortable too.
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@jon–
Look at Michelle Obama and compare her with Laura Bush. Here is a typical Black woman compared to a typical white woman. Enough said…
There you go again trying to make yourself feel good. These women look different. You’re showing your socially retarded mindset that believes that “different” means inferior or superior.
Another thing is that there’s only been one Black first lady. I notice that you were careful in choosing Laura Bush because you know that by male standards, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Bush, Nancy Reagan were not attractive. That’s the opinion of most White men that I’ve read.
I know you believe that White women have superior looks because you’ve been taught that and so many Black American men put White women’s looks at the top. The fact is that White women have lots more money to have an easier life.If we were to flip the script and give Black women the same amount of money and the social position to have that easier life, there would be no comparison.
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Dear Jorbia: Whatever makes you feel good is fin with me. I am just not insecure about my looks – I am just not great looking! Thats fine with me.
Why do black men go white (as you said) is something to ask them. I think they choose it as its just pretty and lovely. Thats the same reason you get a shiny mercedez Benz as opposed to ….whatever!
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Jon
Do you think you’re accomplishing something here? I guess in a sense you are, but that “something” is embarrassing yourself and nothing more. Everyone has heard this drivel before, you are not some heavenly sage who is gifting us with divine knowledge that no one else has ever dared to speak. You’re simply a white racist troll who has nothing better to do than pee on the keyboard and send it in like it was a normal comment. I’d suggest you kindly stop and go get some mental help. It’ll work wonders for that condescending ego and insane babbling.
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@jon–
Things unfortunately are not that subjective. . . . We do not like pitch dark skies, black trees and all black or brown surroundings! Blue eyes and blonde flowing hair looks so pretty (with a nice face!)
Most views are very subjective and you’ve made it clear that you’re heavily invested in your views about the “superior” looks of White people. You are biased.
Some people see White skin as looking like a plucked, raw chicken’s flesh or like bread that has not browned. It appears “unfinished” or undone. It’s not appealing at all to them.
Many Whites obviously like dark skin and prove it by baking themselves in the sun and then bragging about their beautiful tans. I’m very light skinned but I can tan fast to get very dark. I get endless compliments from White people about my “gorgeous” skin. I obviously look the way they want to look. There are no Black people who are “pitch” Black.
Some people see White hair as similar to the hair on a shaggy dog or other animal. It’s nothing to brag about. You’ve swallowed the notion that flowing hair is beautiful when it’s on the head of a woman who has flesh that looks like a raw chicken’s flesh. This is a very subjective preference that you’ve learned. You’ve learned a very limited view of life.
I think that many White women are beautiful but they’re no more beautiful than any other group of women. Women from various parts of the world look “different” and their looks are helped to a large degree by money and lifestyle.
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tehnoun: Good point. What I am trying to do here is give you a formula that will do you wonders. You want to “win” right? Here is how you do it:
(1) respect your opponent. Praise their qualities with an open mind. Listen and watch intently their strengths and weaknesses
(2) Consider all possibilities. What are the consequences of your actions? Will it help you to be mean, selfish or racist? Will it help you to get together with other non whites and demonstrate unity? Or will it help you to just rant and “hate” anyone that may be a challenge?
(3) Will it help to excel in education? Is it true that blacks are behind and commit more violence than anyone else? If true is it possible that part of it could be their own fault?
A human being, at the end of the day is liked or disliked based on how they treat others. Not everything is decided by looks and brains. Why not make everyone around you smell like roses (even if they make you feel like shit). Give roses and let others praise you.
Standup next time if someone is being profiled or treated badly in your office or neighborhood. Dont just play politics and secure your own job. Demonstrate that you mean “fairness”. Stand up for people that arent even black and you will have support of even whites!
I went to civil rights commission. The woman was black and I has clearly been wronged. She looked at me and commented that “racism was just something people make up”. She did not extend me the courtesy, partly because I am not black and partly all that she cared was her job and her relationship with the company. By denying me the right to be heard and respected, she destroyed her own image in my eyes and in the eyes of many others.
Try this new approach. I have. Its done me wonders! Next time I meet someone that hates me, I thank them for something that I admire in them.
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@jon–
Dear Jorbia: Whatever makes you feel good is fin with me. I am just not insecure about my looks – I am just not great looking! Thats fine with me.
Jon, you don’t want to go there with me because I can seriously whip you if you want to debate this. I know you think you have more brains because you are white, but all you’ve shown is that you’ve swallowed a lot of poop.
I’m not insecure about my looks either, but that’s not what you started talking about. Don’t chicken-skin out now! You talked about the superiority of White looks as in Whites as a group.
Why do black men go white (as you said) is something to ask them. I think they choose it as its just pretty and lovely. Thats the same reason you get a shiny mercedez Benz as opposed to ….whatever!
Honestly, I’ve asked the same question on here. A lot of people on both sides of the aisle silently wonder about that. My fiance asked me that too. It’s ironic that so many Black American men will moan on here and practically anywhere else about White “supremacy” and call Whites all kinds of foul things, but when they get a few dollars they go and buy a blonde or a light woman. Black American men especially have become a huge embarrassment to many in the Black world in doing that. They talk one way and walk differently. It’s such a gigantic contradiction until most people don’t take them seriously. Many Black American women definitely don’t trust Black American men and that’s a main reason why they don’t.
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@jon–
Why not make everyone around you smell like roses (even if they make you feel like shit). Give roses and let others praise you.
Foul! You need to take your own advice. Read what you wrote above about the inferiority of Black looks and brains. You weren’t trying to make Black people “smell like roses” or “respect” them or “consider all possibilities.”
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Oh dear! Physician heal thyself! What a wonderful world it would be if everyone took their own advice.
Slightly off topic, but it is a fact that most people decide how they will feel about someone before interacting with them which is to say that no amount of insincerity can cover a deep seated dislike of someone. Or in other words, we forgive those we want to forgive and hold accountable those we want to blame.
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Yes I agree that I did not come here to make people feel like roses. I just wanted to speak my mind. So I did.
And please, note that I am NOT white. I am not black but I am not white.
Truth sucks in general. Most humans cant take criticism of themsleves and will attack someone if they said anything. Our feeling of importance is damaged if someone says something bad about us – even if it is true!
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No jon, it’s really about logic. You can’t even define what I “Black person” is. You have only seen less than 1% of your assumed worldwide “Black population” in your day-to-day life or on TV. There is no way for you to really know how they all look. Add to that the fact that attraction is subjective, so what you like may be quite different than what I like, and neither of our opinions would be a transcendent truth.
The problem, more than anything else, is you are a dummy and don’t even realize it. You’ve come to spill your bumbling “thoughts” into the vacuum of the internet, but in reality, you have nothing worthwhile or even interesting to say. Go away dummy.
Save yourself the embarrassment.
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There are common widely accepted standards of beauty. That does not mean that each and every person agrees on that standard – just that most do. For example, Glacier is Montana is considred a beautiful place – its cystal clear lakes, lush green surrondings, flowers and wild life, colorful scenery etc. Its nature at best. On the other hand, Sahara desert is not considered a beautiful place. Its mundane, hot and full of rattle snakes, cactus etc. SOme people may like to go to Sahara but most dont.
@ Jorbia: Africa is rated as the most backward continent on the planet – ecnoonmically, physical beauty, political stability etc. Some people may wat to live there in Sudan where civil war rages every now and then and the next dictator brutally forces son to slaughter his own mother, most dont. There are droughts famine common place there. No one is safe. Brutal dictators and walr lords roam around freely etc etc. This “beautiful” continent is the most foresaken part of the world and rate lowest by the UN. You can only comopare Africa to Afganistan, pakistan or some other similar Moslem countries.
So if you love to live in Africa and that is your ‘taste” then why not go there? fact is no one is going there and you are here in the US blogging!
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King: Black is not a race but color. So is white. By “white” I mean whites skin color of people of western euripean descent. Asians like Chinenese (some are light actually) do not have good looks in general. Indians (esp sount indians) are almost black.
There is not a single famous Bollywood actress that is black from South India. They are all lighter skinned (sometimes half white). Lower caste Indians are mostly black.
Such is the truth. Most will marry white if they had a chance and produce white babies.Fact is less than 10% of the world is white.The blue eyed blonde is a rarity and treat. So value her as she is gorgeous. She has something we dont.
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You dimwit! Glacier is Montana is a single location, you’re trying to use a generalized racial label of convenience to categorize billions of people and then assess how handsome or or beautiful they all are. Are you really this obtuse? You might as well say that orange is a more beautiful color than violet because you took a poll on it last week and orange got more votes.
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So by White you mean “white skin.” But then you say that some east Asians have white skin, but unfortunately they do not have good looks in general. So then you stipulate that its western europeans who are white… meaning that eastern europeans are not White!
Just stop talking, dummy.
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The best test of beauty ios strip clubs. Ask how much a black or asian stripper makes versus white ones. you have your answer on “beauty is very subjective”!
All of you men here talking – when you go to strip clubs you go white. The soonest you get a chance to go for a blonde you would. Stop this hypocrisy!
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King: you are not following. White is a skin color and not a race. boilogical definition of races are based on bone structure and not skin color. When people die, they look for bone structure, not skin as they have no skin!
So by “white” I mean white skin color of original people of western europe. You could include some eastern european countries also as far as Ukraine. Bu there are no blondes there. So you see that even whites have a lot of variation in looks. The British and French dot look as nice as germans and Nordic people.
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@ Jon
The beauty of white women is off topic here. This has gone beyond a mere tangent. I have written a post about it, so you can continue there:
Any further comments on the topic here will be deleted.
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Jon
Your truth and the truth are two different things. You are suffering from a mental delusion and should kindly back away from the computer.
Another thing…why pretend to be a prson of color? Do you think it will make us take you seriously? Before you declare your colorness again beware that you have given away key signals that you are white.
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Jon (and his ilk here) reminds me of those deluded self-hating non white souls that worships at the altar of whiteness I’ve seen on shows like Montel Williams, Rickki Lake, Povich, Oprah, Springer, Jenny Jones and Phil Donahue.
(Watching non-constructive messages – psychological ASSAULTS – desensitizing methodologies – and all manner of confusion and nonsense consequently contributed to my decision to forgo TV ownership/watching,)
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@Jon–
Yes I agree that I did not come here to make people feel like roses. I just wanted to speak my mind. So I did.
So you are a hypocrite. But I’ve also said what was on my mind to you.
So if you love to live in Africa and that is your ‘taste” then why not go there? fact is no one is going there and you are here in the US blogging!
Fortunately for me, I travel, so i have a broad, multicultural view of life. When I marry, my husband and I will travel there and we may buy a place there near where I went to school. You can say what you want, but you can’t pry most of those Europeans out of Africa. It’s weird, the way some of them talk about living there, as if it’s a magical place to them.
You’re showing your illness by coming to a mainly Black site to talk about your love for blondes.
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@ Dave Lister
“Did USA hug and kiss the native population and accepted them as brothers?”
Did you expect to jump from the end of slavery to love in an instant? Nothing I’m aware of evolves that quickly, especially when attitudes have to die with the person before they change.
On public drinking fountains and the NA incidents, I don’t know. The drinking fountains were a fixture in particular areas of the country, ended with “separate but equal” doctrine. Are you for real? The mention of a drinking fountain was a just metaphor for the ills of the Jim Crow legal system. Sam mentioned that Black could not drink from some public drinking fountains that were designated white, especially in the South during the early 1960s; I believe he meant that UNTIL the early 60s. That would be NO! No!
And when did the doctrine of separate but equal” ended?
On one hand, you are arguing “Nothing I’m aware of evolves that quickly, especially when attitudes have to die with the person before they change.” Yet on the other hand, you are using the ending of the separate but equal doctrine which was only struck approximately down less than a decade prior – (Brown vs the School Board of Topeka, KS) to illustrate that white people in America, especially in the South, had this epiphany, a transfiguration if you will, that saw them embracing the Supreme Court’s Ruling.
What happen to “Nothing I’m aware of evolves that quickly, especially when attitudes have to die with the person before they change” Can you not see duplicity of your argument?
I’m sure you’ve heard of Governors George Wallace, Barnett and other southern governors and student James Meredith? They all came to prominence in the 60’s, although “SEPARATE BUT EQUAL LEGALLY DOCTRINE ONLY ENDED in the Mid-Nineteen Fifties” I wonder who voted for those guys, giving them plurality of votes, thus allowing them to go on and becoming governors? You may want to re-read your post.
Don’t forget, “I may not be a “completely rational thinker”, SomeGuy, but compared to anyone I’ve seen post in response to me I’m the ultimate rational thinker.” Indeed!
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@ Parfum Bleu
“Of course it is up to others their choice of words or phrases, but I personally prefer ‘slaveholder’ to ‘slaveowner’ and ‘held slaves’ as opposed to ‘owned slaves’, as it is my own belief that people can only hold others in bondage or as slaves, and that they do not & cannot ever own other human beings.”
Your argument does not make sense. Slave-owners owned slaves, as they would, horses, mules, cattle, sheep, hogs, dogs etc. Trying putting that within the concept of one saying, “horseholder,” “sheepholder,” cattleholder a “dogholder”?
Bondage, the emphasis being on “bond” means, for whatever reason, one must serve by law or convention a “specific duration” for what is deemed a transgression against the state or an individual – e.g. failure to pay a debt, at the time, could have one ending up in a debtor’s jail for a PRESCRIBED DURATION or serve in some capacity until the debt was paid: the individual must be released, save for, while serving on the original, he/she is charged with another transgression – fictional or actual, then the duration could be extended. There were many cases where whites were held in bondage, most commonly for seven years, after which, they would be free. Slavery in the West was one of Chattel and multi-generational: Example, the offsprings of enslaved black women would automatically be slaves (except is some rare instances) – try that on for ten to twelve generations). If you owned a cow, it had a calf, that calf would be yours; you are NOT the cow/calfholder, you ARE the owner. I would strongly suggest you read scholarly writings on the repercussions of the Dread Scott Decision.
I noticed of late, a number of white Americans are trying their best to whitewash America’s historical slavery past even whiter than it actually is. Recently, a Texas outfit, a publisher of American text books, and in this case a history text, wanted to remove the term, the “slave trade” and replace it with something less significant; what they conjured up was the TRADE BETWEEN AFRICA AND AMERICA; it did not stand, principally due to outcry and derision on the part of African-Americans to its notion.
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Another black feeling sorry for itself….ugh. Chill out and watch BET
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@ Matt
Another white person feeling sorry for himself.
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The following should have been in quotation marks and attributed to Dave Lister in my response to him.
“Did you expect to jump from the end of slavery to love in an instant? Nothing I’m aware of evolves that quickly, especially when attitudes have to die with the person before they change.
On public drinking fountains and the NA incidents, I don’t know. The drinking fountains were a fixture in particular areas of the country, ended with “separate but equal” doctrine.”
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“Yet on the other hand, you are using the ending of the separate but equal doctrine which was only struck approximately down less than a decade prior”
Should read:
Yet on the other hand, you are using the ending of the separate but equal doctrine, which was only struck down approximately a decade prior…
“I noticed of late, a number of white Americans are trying their best to whitewash America’s historical slavery past even whiter than it actually is.”
Should read:
I noticed of late, a number of white Americans are trying their best to whitewash America’s historical slavery past even whiter than it already is.
@ Matt
Not sure to whom your comment was directed, but it greatly complements “slave-owner” or “cattle-holder” – choose one or both, since in your superior wisdom, refers to a human being as a thing by using “itself.” In fact, it behooves you, and would also suggest, you look up the meaning of Ubuntu – has nothing to do with software; the concept predates it (software) by many, many, many centuries.
I guess, you curse the day when your great grand or grand pappy gave blacks leave to learn to read and write: their magnanimity has now caused “blacks” to haunt you intellectually, simply due to having to listen to them (‘blacks’), and even more irksome, read what they write/wrote – written words last longer than spoken.
You would probably like nothing better at this juncture than giving a Black, ”a thing,” a free ride (blacks love free), James Bird, Paris, Texas style, due to his/her insolence. After all, what’s the purpose of being anointed/ordained SUPERIOR, if you’re not allowed to exemplify it?
BET? Not one of the components of my cable package.
Good Luck Mat and I mean it in all sincerity.
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[…] will end by quoting another inspirational blog entry, by abagond, from a site that asked why whites fear […]
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@ Matt
Rather than giving me a long ride outside of a pick-up truck, I beseech you, take me to your next poker game, with iron shackles around my neck of course; you will tether me outside your poker venue, as was the custom, and since you aren’t a skilled poker player, you are going to lose. On losing, you may offer me up as your contribution to the pot. You lose the last game again and at the end your poker session, I will belong to someone else, who may keep or trade/sell me, but at least, I’ll be alive.
A little more humane, don’t you think Matt?
Dear oh dear, how crazy of me? I have again deluded myself and mistakenly type the word “humane,” knowing fully well that I’m not, thus the word would not apply
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@Matt
I don’t know why people like you even bother to comment on a blog made by people you feel are inferior? People like you belong on Stormfront
@Ubuntu
I agree!
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Let’s be honest – who is committing more of the crime? who are the ones largely filling up the welfare list? the ones dropping out of school? gangs? the list goes on and on. They need to stop pointing fingers and get over the whole slavery era – it was their ancestor that suffered wrongfully, not the blacks of today. Everyone makes their own choices in life, and everyone should be held responsible for them. Look at Barack Obama – make good choices, don’t be lazy or irresponsble, and anyone can make someone of themselves and have a better life. It takes work – for everyone. …I’m moving to Asia. They understand respect, hard work and making good choices…. they also probably punish criminals.
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And also, whoever the idiot is that posted this ridiculous thing is probably some lazy, bitter slob who would rather bring other people down than look in a mirror. Look at the most successful countries and cultures in the world – they are all either white or asian. When you work hard, you get somewhere. People today just don’t get it and they are making this world a horrible place. And also, you’re a racist yourself for putting all of these horrible comments against whites… whites and asian are the ones robbed and beaten by the blacks – look at the stats. Not the the other way around… and then, they take our taxes and use it to sit on welfare or fund the prisons they crowd – again, look at the stats. We need to stop giving idiots excuses to be idiots.
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@ B
Lets look at the stats then. Did you know that according to stats whites commit more violent crimes? More whites are on welfare than blacks. While it is not widely known white gangs are just as deadly and rising as blacks or Latinos, but since the list goes on do share so I can share some facts. The media hides so much doesn’t it? Could save individuals making fools of themselves if it was available through tv instead of just plain research and knowledge.
Secondly this post isn’t even referring to all whites so I guess it is referring to you because you responded to it so personally. He must have read your type very well.
Thirdly the poster is well educated. You might have wanted to research that before making a fool of yourself.
“We need to stop giving idiots excuses to be idiots.”–You are right we do. So as the idiot you have shown to be I suggest you pack your bags and disassociate yourself with the human race.
“Look at the most successful countries and cultures in the world – they are all either white or asian. When you work hard, you get somewhere.”–Actually from what I hear Africa has become quite successful. It is not the starving children and needy that tv has lead you to believe it is.
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@Sharina
Well said. I am sick of trolls coming on here, belitting and degrading Blacks based on stereotypes and lies they heard and learned from the media and their racist families.
Do they even have a life of their own?
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So white people are just bad right? Huh that ls funny because the majority of Africa and haiti are black. White people may be bad and all in your head but at least everything we touch doesnt turn to a poverty stricken waistland ripe with drug fed armies who chop off peoples arms for their 3$ bracelettes.
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@ J
Yet another non-reading moron. It has been said not once not twice but several times over that this is not about all whites, so I will assume that it is talking about you and or whites you associate with. “The bad” whites are becoming a increase problem in this country. More parents are concerned about sending their kids to school because some white kid might shoot them or they could be molested or kidnapped and raped repeatedly. You pick.
The majority of Africa and Haiti is black and while I know little about Haiti. Africa is actually doing quite well. Again it is tv that tells you these places are bad yet they are hot tourist attractions for white people. Hell white people live in these places yet you are dumb enough to spout that repeated non-sense of “it is not safe…its too many black people.”
“White people may be bad and all in your head but at least everything we touch doesnt turn to a poverty stricken waistland ripe with drug fed armies who chop off peoples arms for their 3$ bracelettes.”—I hate to be the truth dealer but the major reason Africa and other black countries have experienced poverty is because of whites interjection. Were you aware that when whites wanted a land in Africa and blacks lived on it or owned it that they would just bulldoze it down. Leaving many blacks homeless. Research goes far. You might want to try it.
Lastly it is amazing that people like you are quick to look down on blacks when whites have such an ongoing and increasing problem. Seriously what room do you have to play innocent?
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@ Adeen
That is how they work and frankly they have no life. It is easier for them to point out crimes of blacks than own up to white crime and the rise of it. This has been going on for a long time and as a result it has only gotten worse. Even after reports of foiled school shootings continue they would rather go on a black website and shake fingers at black crime statistics. Old ones because recent ones point to whites being a 59% in violent crime.
On top of that many of them are not knowledgeable enough to know what cause the downfall of African people at some point and know even less to realize that the country has picked itself up.
Truth of the matter is they cling on to the “good Asian” talk but I can promise you if push come to shove they will turn on Asian’s too.
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@ Sharina, Is’nt this viewing black people through the white lens? I think that’s what these misinformed individuals are doing. I guess reading a reference book and learning about African and Hatian cultures would be too much before they start typing their ignorance into cyberspace. You have killer debate skills.
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@Mary and Sharina
Good insight. Now I see your points. I believe they learned this behavior from their racist families and from the images of Blacks in the media. Of course, they are going to see us Blacks as less.
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@ Adeen I think you are correct.
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This is bullshit, sorry for my French. But this whole myth that white people are afraid, hate blacks is just non-sense. Most whites are okay with blacks, it seems black people have more issues with white people, like imagining that white people “hate them”.
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whites and asian are the ones robbed and beaten by the blacks – look at the stats.
Sir/ma’am, we do not wish to read about your sexual proclivities about being beaten. This is not a S&M hook up site. Thank you and have a good day!
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@Alexander
LOL, i guess the slavery, segregation and apartheid, Jim Crow laws, lynching, KKK, skin heads, the AB, etc. are all in black peoples’ heads. Some imagination they’ve got!
And let me save you the hassle: “that was such a long time ago…we’re not like that anymore yadayada.”
Just b/c laws had to be created to help prevent whites from being evil and unjust to other humans doesn’t prove that they are any less racist than they were a couple of generations ago.
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@resw77
You are right. Racism has become more subtle these days than it was a couple of generations ago.
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@ Mary Burrell
Thank you but I have to give credit to brothawolf because of a post he did in regards to Africa and how we are taught t hat it is a bad place. Since that post I have been researching and taking a better look at Africa. There are several great films that bring to light the plight of African people.
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Seems like the racist trolls are bored again begging and pleading us to love white people and the greatest forms of ugliness and evil come in the form of black skin. Of course, history has nothing to do with today, and there’s no viable reason for blacks to have any suspicions or animosity towards whites.
It’s getting more and more tiresome and it doesn’t look like it’s going to let up. More and more trolls will come with the same memes letting the broken record continue to spin.
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After looking at the latest trolling comments, it’s no wonder why POC have suspicions and some type of animosity towards whites. They continue to bring it on themselves. I have a question with the jons, alexanders, j’s and any other naysayers, how do you expect us to love and respect white people when, as it shows in your comments, those like you have a big problem with us?
Do any of you have what it takes to answer the question WITHOUT citing stats pertaining to crime and poverty? Can you not consider that everytime anyone says anything regarding sins, crimes, mistakes and problems that white people have that are TRUE in regards to POC (and other whites), is a way of advocating hatred for the white man? Are you too fragile to take criticism in regards to people similar to you? Why do YOU take it personality if you’re not one of “those” whites?
If any of them have the guts to answer truthfully without resorting to broken records, I’d like to read them.
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@Brothawolf
Excellent point but these people are sick and would never say it in our faces. Racism has become more subtle in the last two generations since Jim Crow and segregation was outlawed. So SOME Whites either still openly express racial animosity like the Skin Heads and Neo Nazis and the rest made their racism more subtle and not so visible like closet racists. MANY of them may smile in our faces and be nice to us but then talk about people in our race and make fun of us behind our backs with their own people.
Very few Caucasians in America are actually genuine enough to see their ways and try hard not to be racist, prejudice towards minorities. I respect this small percentage of Caucasians but I don’t see them around much.
And this is coming from a young, Black woman and I haven’t studied them very long either!
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@Alexander
”Most whites are okay with blacks”
, Most Whites are indifferent to Black people! And a small minority hates Blacks and other POC and a smaller percentage actually respects Blacks and minorities genuinely.
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I came to US from Europe 15 yeas ago. I came from the area where only whites live. I have never seen people of other races in my life with the exception of some Asian people (very little experience ). So when I came to US I was simply curios to see such diversity of people different races and nationalities . To me all of them were no different from me ,people are people.
But fifteen years pass by and I can tell you for sure that the only people who i do not respect (for the most part) are African Americans-they are the nastiest kind from all of the different people I have met in here. I do not have problems with Africans or people of other ethnic groups ,and skin color is the last of my concerns.I am not going to lie I have met some very nice African Americans but from my experience (and you can not take it away from me) they are exception . Most of the African Americans (and I am not referring to Africans from Africa or other countries) are nastiest human beings with low cultural levels and no respect for others and themselves . African American neighborhoods (again I am sharing my personal observations) that I ever been at are just nasty dumps. I do not consider my self racist and I am not a racist but my personal experience and my observations thorough those 15 years in US turned me from neutral to someone who has practically no respect for African Americans as a group . I am still neutral to Africans and other minorities , but I can not stand (for the most part) that nasty breed and shame of the human race-African Americans. My negative attitude and total disrespect to African Americans is simply product of my experiences and observations with them….And As I stated above I have no problems with any other groups of people (including blacks from other countries)….And those who are talking about envy ??? Bitch please…get real, The only people who are envy are AFRICAN AMERICANS. Assholes stop blaming others for your failures . People of many different nationalities come to US (including blacks from Africa) with only few backs in their pocket and several years later you see them doing good and you AFRICAN AMERICANS (having all those minority programs ) are keep milking and destroying your own country .I simply have no respect for you assholes (with small exception). And I really feel bad for those African Americans who must live in the shadow of hood rats who make bad name for the entire group….No fucking respect….
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European,
I’ll make this short and sweet. If you want blacks to respect whites, then whites need to respect themselves not because they’re white, but because they are human beings. It will then lead to respect of others and then maybe, those others will respect them. They would not demonize an entire group for whatever reason. They would not jump to silly conclusions about a few they’ve encountered.
In short, European, if you want us to respect you, talk to us like human beings and not like mangy dogs.
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^ Geez… who’s turn is it to explain the world to a clueless White person this time?
I nominate brothawolf.
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Haha!!! perfect timing!! I was just nominating you, and here you appear before I can even hit “send.”!
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European,
We get it already: you hate Black Americans but Africans are A-OK in your book (you stated it about 5 times in your rambling, novella-lengthed comment).
Now that you know the US is just chock-full of us Blacks, its not too late to return to whichever pristine Shangri-La you hightailed it from in the first place (surely one person there has noticed your absence). By returning immediately, you’ll no longer have to be bothered with the likes of us — and the bonus is that we will have one less of your type to deal with.
If you don’t want to (or can’t) return to your country of origin for whatever reason, then perhaps the “country” of Africa will welcome you with open arms.
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To Brotha Wolf . Dude do not mix Blacks and African Americans . Blacks from Africa for the most part are no different than people of other races and ethnic groups . So please do not mix up. African Americans are not BLACKS they are (I guess I can call it that way) Is one of the ethnic groups (if you will)of black race . And disrespect to others , envy,racism and just simply bad attitude and luck of manners are simply signature of that nasty breed . So one more time BLACKS and AFRICAN AMERICANS are two different kinds and skin color does not make AFRICAN AMERICAN same as Black person from some other country . Yes , assholes are in every race but from my personal experience I see more assholes in African Americans . Why do you think me who never had any experience with other kind of people except whites (before coming to US) having practically no respect (with the small exception for AFRICAN AMERICANS, not blacks but AFRICAN Americans….
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I do not hate anybody. Hate and no respect are two different words….and two different meanings . Yes for the most part I have little respect for African Americans as a group , but neutral to blacks and people of other kinds .
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They do not bother me to the level that I have to move back , total African American population is less than 12% in the entire country…I can live with out respecting them…they honestly do not make any significant difference in my life….And instead of sending me back :))) change your nasty attitude for the starter . Respect must be gained….And when you act like an asshole and expect people to respect you for that…? :)) Good luck…
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Let me ask you a very simple question, European… and one I’d like you to actually answer. Can you please give us an estimate of what percentage of the Black population in the U.S. that you have had bad experiences with?
Don’t dodge it—don’t ignore it—give an HONEST answer for once.
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And let me ask you the same question -What percentage of White population in US you had bad experience with? Though question?
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You and me and all of the people who posted above make their perceptions on personal experiences and observations…..
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I can not give you any numbers same as you can not provide me with numbers as well. But to make it simple Most-dicks ,some-nice. White americans-most nice, some dicks, Africans Most nice-some dicks,Asians Mostly-nice, some dicks, indians-most-nice, some dicks….
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You can not take my personal experience from me same as i can not take yours from you. I really can not stand people who talk about things they have practically no experience with . i remember meeting some redneck boy who was talking smak about blacks , but I kind of suspecting that he hardly had any experience with them…. idiot.
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So in other words, you cannot answer the question? Probably because the answer makes you look like a fool. Instead you have to dodge by asking me a separate question that really has no bearing on the rightness or wrongness of your own answer. Is that correct?
Or will you stop the shell h=game and actually give an answer?
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🙂 You did not answered the question either , but I am suspecting that our answers will be the same …people who I had a chance to have experience with that would be the answer. You must be an idiot (pardon my french) if you expecting me to give you numbers…
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I’ll bet your line of thought was “I’ll push that craka to the wall with my clever question” well you did not…
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by the way there is 3 more answers are which are on hold by moderator..
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For some reason they did not go through…
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Notice how the “craka” doesn’t want to actually answer the question, but continues to play for time… this time he’s trying to read my mind and tell me what my motives were for asking the question.. Last time it was repeating the question back at me.
Could it be any more obvious that this dummy doesn’t want to say…
“Uh… well, actually… I’ve only encountered about 0.0000012 % of the U.S. Black population, so my analysis is about as accurate as any of you judging all of Europe based on your encounters with Gypsies!
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You have to understand I am not trying to prove anything . Anybody is entitled to their own opinion .What I was trying to show you guys that people can not respect other people for negative shit. And I totally understand that some of you had bad experience with whites (not all of them are angels ) and your experience is your experience, nothing you can do about that….And if it’s negative experience then so be it…
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Well Again 🙂 There are 4-5 answers which are on hold , for some reason your moderator is playing games…
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Seems like he is very selective on what to let to post….pathetic…
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Dude you are real clown… 🙂 I’ll bet you realized by now that you are not clever than you thought… Answer the question yourself mr Hippocrate
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They are in moderation because you probably said something stupid like “craka” but worse. You see we get a lot of shallow primitive, and deranged European types around here and we have to have a few defenses against certain words… not that I have anything against Europeans, of course… Some of my BEST FRIENDS are Europeans!
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How many whites did you have bad experience with (from the entire population) ? Give me the number and i’ll eat my shorts
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No, I was not crossing the line .
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As for you Euro, if you can’t even answer a simple question, what’s the point of even coming here?
And as for me answering the question—please point out where I said that I didn’t respect Europeans? You see, the reason I’m not answering the question is because it doesn’t apply to people who don’t make stupid racial generalization, capiche?
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Don’t assume that I’m as stupid as you are.
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Well – the first sign of not very smart merson if acusation of somene who you do not know of being stupid ,or call someone names when you run out of argument….
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“person” “accusation”
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Typical African American attitude…..good night sir.
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There is no argument with a person who does;t respect you based on the actions of other people who kind of look like you.
I’m calling you what you are, a dummy. But that judgement is based on your OWN foolish actions not on your color.
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Sweet dreams! 🙂
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Yes, you prove that point quite nicely!
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Why did he call me “Hippocrates,” does he think I’m a doctor???
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Why is it that whites are quick to play the race card to get out of arguments? Most blacks…I don’t think he has met any African Americans on a serious level. Most people who has had a bad experience with African Americans give details to what that bad experience is. He did not. Then he becomes a hypocrite and call African Americans the very thing that he is. This reminds me of when someone said that African Americans ended up with the worst behaviors from Europeans…LOL.
Now image running into several people who believed that respect is gained and you had a bad attitude with them. I guess they would not be giving you much respect.
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@European
Whatever you call yourself, as a woman of Jamaican descent, well my parents are Jamaicans, I find you offensive.
To get respect, you have to show respect to people instead of making stupid generalizations and stereotypes about a group of people. Not every African America is a bad person.
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@European:
Don’t hold back say what you mean!
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And let me ask you the same question -What percentage of White population in US you had bad experience with? Though question?
Do you have all day?
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Well Again 🙂 There are 4-5 answers which are on hold , for some reason your moderator is playing games…
Maybe it’s your habit of referring to people as anal apertures to start. Go to the comment policy section on the restrictions, using cuss words is one of them unfortunately!.
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European,
To Brotha Wolf . Dude do not mix Blacks and African Americans . Blacks from Africa for the most part are no different than people of other races and ethnic groups . So please do not mix up. African Americans are not BLACKS they are (I guess I can call it that way) Is one of the ethnic groups (if you will)of black race . And disrespect to others , envy,racism and just simply bad attitude and luck of manners are simply signature of that nasty breed . So one more time BLACKS and AFRICAN AMERICANS are two different kinds and skin color does not make AFRICAN AMERICAN same as Black person from some other country . Yes , assholes are in every race but from my personal experience I see more assholes in African Americans . Why do you think me who never had any experience with other kind of people except whites (before coming to US) having practically no respect (with the small exception for AFRICAN AMERICANS, not blacks but AFRICAN Americans….
My point is not about classifications of Africans and African-Americans. That is off the subject. In America if your skin is dark and have certain Africanesque features, you are considered black in an institutional sense, and whether you’re from Johannesburg or Joplin, you’re still considered by the mainstream in some way, shape or form inferior to whites. But I digress.
My point and the point of this topic is why whites look down on us. All you are doing is lumping the entire population based on a few you presumably encountered. That is an example of lazy thinking. And if you show disrespect to an entire population, then how on Earth do you expect any in return?
I do not hate anybody. Hate and no respect are two different words….and two different meanings . Yes for the most part I have little respect for African Americans as a group , but neutral to blacks and people of other kinds .
Again, if you have little respect for African-Americans, then it should only result in little respect for you. Why not try and give some, starting with the people in this blog?
They do not bother me to the level that I have to move back , total African American population is less than 12% in the entire country…I can live with out respecting them…they honestly do not make any significant difference in my life….And instead of sending me back 🙂 )) change your nasty attitude for the starter . Respect must be gained….And when you act like an asshole and expect people to respect you for that…? 🙂 ) Good luck…
And here again, why not give respect instead of demanding it while dressing down the entire group? Why should we respect you when you said that you have little respect for them in the first place?
All this shows is that you have little respect for yourself if you cut down others while demanding it. Deny it all you want, but it still shows in your words alone.
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King writes:
“Why did he call me “Hippocrates,” does he think I’m a doctor???
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/File:Hippocrates_rubens.jpg”
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@ “mr Hippocrate”
Yeah, I caught, too lol
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Wow European are you asking the question why aren’t African American people just like me? Because just like you going to an African American place for just 15 years felt dumped on. How about being an African American for almost 200 and something years and getting dumped on. Lets see how nice you want to be or how friendly you think whites are? My goodness 15 years and you go crying like a baby. Thick skin please we’ve had to have it for more years than you. Still have to have it. Oh how silly European you are being. Why don’t you just be bridge I mean obviously you understand the inner workers of how racism works you should be able to build them. Ah but yet just look the people you claim to disrepect you don’t want to so why should they since they have had more then 15 years of brown smelly stuff.
Now it is back to euro for me, guv. By the way subsitute blacks for peasant and you sound just like the old lords of yore about the peasant class. Really European please get some new material I was about to site you plagerism. I don’t even have to go back that far I am just going to call your comments Jacksoness as in Andrew Jackson. So while I can surely understand your Jacksoness comment which let me sum it up to be sure, After my race beat, overworked, pushed, and ran that mule to its breaking point I can’t see why it isn’t automatically nice to me. Truely this is progessive thinking.
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@King of Trouble and all
European whatever he or she calls him or herself is a troll. This person is just sick in the head. My family is originally from Jamaica and although my family and I never went through Jim Crow or segregation, we can somehow still relate to our AA counterparts. I maybe from a different culture from you but I am still Black. I came on here looking at European’s sick comment about AAs because I found it offensive and I wanted to defend my own Black people in America. You guys have been through so much and it is sad that people are still disrespecting you guys and stereotyping you guys. Jamaicans went through a lot but not on the scale that African Americans have gone though and it is truly sad.
If this Euro troll, whatever he or she calls their self, disses Black Americans only as an ethnic group BUT prefers foreign Blacks like most of my family members, Africans, Trinidadians, Guyanese, etc? There are good and bad people in all races, cultures and ethnicities. Not all AAs bad people.
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@European
Luckily for you since you hate African Americans, African Americans don’t even make up 1% of the Black population in the world. America makes up 5% of the world’s population
http://www.worldpopulationbalance.org/population_energy
Black Americans make up 12% of America’s population and that is not even half of America’s population.
So why don’t you go back to Europe?
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Adeen Only American born black people o citizens can be called AFRICAN AMERICANS….. OMG… What a bunch of not very smart people….
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I am done wasting my time in this hole. Good luck crying… Whites do not hate you, they simply do not care….
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@dfdf
OMG you have comprehension issues. It is always the dumb ones calling other people dumb.
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^ Really??? When did they stop caring?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPbMsZM-eO4)
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Whites don’t care but are always peeking in on the blacks to see what they are doing. Not the sound of someone who does not care huh?
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@dfdf
I am of Jamaican descent and I know that only Black Americans are Americans. Can you read?
@Sharina and King
Why are they obsessive about us?
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@ European
I have a comment policy:
Certain words are moderated – if you use them in a comment, it goes into the moderation queue. I reserve the right to kill all moderated comments. After all, if you cannot express yourself in civil language most likely you are a troll. “Cracker” is a moderated word, but not all of its illiterate variants.
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@Sharina, King, Adeen
The paranoids come on to websites like this to spy on us, for the impending race war. They are buying up all the guns and ammunition because after all these years of no retaliation, somethings got to give! (*ok, end of sarcasm 😉 )
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That’s because many of them absolutely refuse to believe that we’re not interested in retaliation and just want to get on with our lives without having to deal with both our own bull crap and theirs and that we have a vested interest in seeing this country do well, and be better.
We have families and jobs and concerns too,that are being constantly disrupted by not just our own problems but by white people who have problems with us. The last thing we’re going to be doing is fomenting a war that could get significant numbers of our community killed.
Some white people are always sitting around looking for a doomsday and The Race War is just another one of those doomsdays they seem to be looking forward to. Why so many of them long for the end of civilization, you can guess at for yourself.
It must be incredibly stifling for these people to have to obey rules with consequences. After all, when the apocalypse comes one can do whatever one has always wanted to do and drop that thin veneer of civility one has been wearing all these years. One can go back to a more simpler time where you don’t have to act like a person and give in to all one’s basest instincts, which ironically, is what such people keep accusing Black people of doing.
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@Ikeke35
I think you hit the nail on the head. I believe that this type imagines a kind of “bizarro world” where everything is backwards. instead of them being the the marginalized losers that they are, they instead see themselves as the prepared and prophetic class, who knew to buy guns and powdered eggs. They fantasize about a world in which they are right instead of tragic.
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Ikeke35
Some white people are always sitting around looking for a doomsday and The Race War is just another one of those doomsdays they seem to be looking forward to. Why so many of them long for the end of civilization, you can guess at for yourself.
It must be incredibly stifling for these people to have to obey rules with consequences. After all, when the apocalypse comes one can do whatever one has always wanted to do and drop that thin veneer of civility one has been wearing all these years. One can go back to a more simpler time where you don’t have to act like a person and give in to all one’s basest instincts, which ironically, is what such people keep accusing Black people of doing.
Thank you!
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ROFL King, “guns and powdered eggs”. That summed it up so well. Took me like 5 minutes to stop laughing.
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O my God, you don’t know us Whites (except, perhaps, those liberal types that hang around you). Try read some White racially conscious stuff – not necessarily books- from http://www.amren.com or http://takimag.com . Then, you’ll find what we really think and feel.
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@ Bardon
I don’t know many if any liberal whites. I know a good bit of conservative whites who believe that those tv repubs make them look bad.
Why should I waste time trying to learn about whites through books when I can simply get to know them on an individual basis and determine what they are like that way instead of what a book says that could possibly not represent them at all?
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Is this what Doomesday Preppers is about?
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@ Mary Burrell, it depends there are those who feel that a race war will come so they are ever so much keeping their guns close and hiding in gated communities. There are those who think the government will fall and their will be chaos and looting in which case they are stocking up and living behind closed gated communities. In all it is the chicken little approach to life, I am sorry if I am not being sensitive on the subject but I grew up in a high school that was all about this. Of course it was the second coming for them and they will be taken up to heaven but what about the rest of y’all.
A Doomesday Prepper is one who is preparing it could mean they are preparing for the day an EMP is dropped so there will be no electronics so skills like blacksmithing, sewing, and other things that require less electronic skills. It also means that some people are putting thier computers and electronic items in Faraday cages. However if you see someone stockpiling on dried or canned food this is a small indicator this person is worried about some collaspe in society.
You also tend to find this people homeschool at lot more, not all people who do this are preppers but you see a lot of preppers doing this. For the Christian ones they are leaving messages for their loves ones who will be left behind after the second coming and the time of revelations. I don’t know for sure because I really don’t want to do the research but the media makes it look like America has a large concentration of these preppers.
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Except for occasionally wandering out of their gated communities to shoot unarmed Black people because “he startled me”.
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@Ikeke35
You are right but why would racist Caucasians(not all Caucasians are racist) want a race war. Isn’t there already enough racial tension in this country?
@King
You are right but many of these sickos are so called religious people.
Does anyone here know the root to why MANY Whites think that they are better than Blacks? No, not all Whites are racist.
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@Adeen, In some form it has been around for a long time but to the degree we see it now it was during Victorian rule that is became sharpened under new science theories. Here is where white so-called scientist had to develop theories. This also includes a lot of ameuter anthropoligist and archelogist which includes most of them at this time since it was being established as a science. Now that science was taking a lead and England was taking over the world their had be a reason. The reason was clear to them it must be because of our skin we have developed as the highest of all the races of man. Then they went on to try to prove it by claiming they came from a special place, or that because the live in the northern part of the world they had somehow developed more brain power. One agruement I use to get was the ability to make castles and not huts, but if you were building castles it is because your neighbors weren’t friendly in my opinion.
Racism in the form of superiority comes from also the victory achieved in battle the romans thought that celts were ignorant, stupid, unruly and dirty beast.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
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@King of Trouble
Thanks for the information.
I find it funny MANY Caucasians think they are superior when everything they have came from us. We are the first people and the ones who created civilization while their ancestors lived in caves. The Greeks and Romans borrowed their ideas from the ancient Egyptians. Non Blacks can’t handle the fact nor do they want to acknowledge the fact that the human race came from Blacks, the very same people they hate.
As a Black woman, I am proud of my race.
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Here is a guy who a mere fifteen years ago, was a Slovene, Finn, German, Pole, Italian, Serb – you may add to the list – came to the US and seems to have lost all sense of his ethic identity and has now become “white,” and is exhibiting all symptoms that are ascribe to, or imbued with white/whiteness, yet he wants us all to believe that the country from which he came, he was neutral on the issue of race and was never a racist. I’m assuming to be considered to a bona fide racist and you live or are from Europe, one has to” Hiel Hitler.” European, and others of his ilk, will have us believe that only the Hiel Hitlerites are white supremacists and racists.
You may have experienced comments made to you; although you never definitively stated such, save for the derisive word you called yourself, if it was ever used to you at all, was NOT in the context of European/Bob/Eddy/Pavol, but white/whiteness. White and whiteness have currency in America – the concept you seem to have already tenaciously grasp, and with such exuberance, to the irritant African Americans and fail to recognize it.
It’s often said, the most fervent adherents to the tenets of a religion are usually the most recent convert, and it’s being amply demonstrated here by European.
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I’m so glad I found this board. I think it’s important to be able to discuss with one another and see we are basically having the same experiences. I totally related with the posters who mentioned white needing to feel in “control” of a black person. What I can’t understand is why as a race they like to degrade black women in particular. I guess both genders get it but since I’ve been among whites for the past almost 20 years it appears to be a general pattern where they want to make black women in particular feel shunned. I know I am not the only one of us to have witnessed white men trying to get black men to not prefer black women. Whites use the media to make it appear we are the ones angry and on the attack but I find it’s the opposite and it has been for the 100’s of years of oppression, It’s white men focused to attack black women and white men focused on black men. Not the other way around. This board has been a great read! I feel for the person who said they prefer to work at home, but hey, one’s happiness and confort must come before all else. White supremacy/anti-black racism is a mental disorder/SICKNESS many White Americans have!
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Another point I agree on is the fact that many Whites are OBSESSED with blacks.
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@ Krillanr
Here is a quote from the first line of the blog: “Why do many White Americans hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?” It is not talking about all whites. It is talking about those that do. If you don’t then you don’t.
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@Gina
”White supremacy/anti-black racism is a mental disorder/SICKNESS many White Americans have!”
Well said. I don’t see why Whites are obsessed with us Black people. I believe that most White Americans are racist but unconsciously and consciously. I believe it is in their nature to look down on Blacks and other minorities without realizing it. I am not saying this out of hatred, I don’t hate Whites but out of experience.
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Your generalizations really hurt your argument here. I fully agree that white people have perpetrated horrible racism in both thought and action, but to say “white people have a crack in their souls” is not only extreme, it’s overtly racist. “White people’s history” is so ridiculously broad that you might as well say “humanity’s history proves that humans have something wrong with them.” At least that would be a little more sound reasoning. More accurate might have been “American history shows there was (or is) something wrong with Americans,” or even “with Christians,” since religion was the original rational for racism.
I’d wager you didn’t truly mean this to apply to all white people, but to equate white people as a whole with racists just takes away your credibility. I don’t have a crack in my soul. I don’t think you do either. I thought the idea was that racism’s wrong because race doesn’t define someone’s worth as a human (like soul fractures might); based on what you’ve written here, it seems you think the only mistake white racists made is that they picked the wrong side.
Racism’s racism, no matter who you are.
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@ Alex McG
I made the scope of the post clear in the first sentence. I should not have to repeat it in each sentence so as to avoid being taken out of context. I am afraid you misunderstood because you do not want to understand.
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@Abagond: I realize I must have come off as having a knee-jerk reaction (something like, “But I’m white and I’m not a racist! You’re making me feel guilty! Reassure me!”) and seem like I’m beating a dead horse, and I apologize for that.
I’ll admit that I didn’t take much notice of the “many” in the first sentence, but to be fair, the title is essentially the same sentence, without the limit on scope. Surely, it’s understandable that I could have missed that?
I also didn’t mean to say that you should have to say “racist white people” instead of “whites” every time you want to refer to the subject of the post. However, you could easily write, “Racists have a deep crack in their souls,” and I’d be right there with you.
In any case, I didn’t think you meant non-racist white people, but some of the phrasing came off as pretty inflammatory and accusative, which I understand comes with the highly charged subject, but I also think it could be avoided without detracting from your point. The reason for my comment was that I do like the post, and I thought that the (apparent, not intended) generalizations distracted from your point and hurt your overall effectiveness.
Imagine I’m a white high school student who hadn’t considered the ideas you bring up; when I read the second to last paragraph and hear that there’s nothing wrong with black people but there is something wrong with white people, how likely am I to take the rest of your argument to heart? I’d be more likely to dismiss it and be less inclined to listen in the future.
I don’t think I misunderstood, but it is possible. I think I may have miscommunicated my point, or I might not have been clear enough that I didn’t believe you were actually talking about all white people. If that’s the case, I apologize.
@ Peanut: I didn’t think I missed the point of the post, but it is possible. To comment on the content, I liked that the focus was on the self-image of the racist as the root of the bigotry; I just wrote a similar thing in a paper a few weeks ago–that the bigot’s prejudices are integral in his world view and a real part of his identity. He cannot acknowledge anything that could contradict his prejudices without losing his sense of self. The fear of being proven wrong and having that fragile self-image fall apart would cause him to project those fears onto others, leading him to make hatred and scorn an even bigger part of who he is.
Too often I think people look at racism as something that only projects outward from the racist, when the problem is really that when they turn inward, all they find is a fear and insecurity that they need to blame on someone else.
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1. Narcissism , what proof do you have of the over generalizing statement that whites have no self worth ? Can you read the mind and soul of white people? I didn’t think so 2.dictomonous thinking . ” in their movies” more generalizing , what movies? Most of Hollywood is run by jews. 3 moral blindness. I have never owned or beaten any slave , nor have my parents or grandparents or distant relatives from Ireland . In a vain attempt to point out that all white people are racist you have shown yourself to be ignorant and of course racist . Like any one who wants to point out others flaws – take a look at yourself – racist
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@ Tyronedaracist
Now that I am doing laughing at your post ridiculous post I can begin to respond to it. “Why do many White Americans hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?”—This is the first sentence in the whole blog. Does many equal all? So in your “vain” attempt to counter Abagond’s post you failed to read that he was not talking about all and have shown yourself to be ignorant, but whether you are racist has yet to be seen.
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Although considering you extreme offense I can bet most of what he said may be true for you.
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I’m not going to defend Tyronedaracist in any way (largely because I think he sounded like an idiot), but despite the “many” (which I acknowledge does technically limit the subject) in the first sentence, the title and a lot of the language in the post can be misleading in regard to the target being all whites or only some. But that’s not the point, really.
What I really wanted to point out that offense at a perceived insult or accusation–intended or not–is not a reliable or fair indication that it’s true. I have no idea whether this is the case for Tyrone McRacist or not, and to be honest, I don’t really care. But I’d be careful of using the “you ran from the cops so you must be guilty” argument. Wouldn’t you be offended if you thought someone was saying you had no self-worth?
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And you Pooja, do you have such a big brain that you share one with the rest of your family’s small skulls, idiot ?
(“idiot” will get moderated but your “fuktard” went through no problem -Abagond, we need to write a list of these racists’s favorites as they create them so that you can add them to your moderation device)
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@ Alex McG
“Wouldn’t you be offended if you thought someone was saying you had no self-worth?”—Actually no because I don’t measure my self worth based on what other people think of me. I know my worth. I know who I am whether someone agrees or not.
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“But I’d be careful of using the “you ran from the cops so you must be guilty” argument.”—Actually because I use to work in the criminal justice system that is kind of my thought process.
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Alex McG and Sharina sorry to interfere in the conversation, I hadn’t read this thread for a while, but I’d like to say this about the quote you posted
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Your self-worth depends on a lot of external factors, what you’ve been told about yourself and people like you. In the domain of “race”, it seems to me that the balance tilts totally unfairly towards people classified as “white”, so when a person not classified as such “knows his/her worth”, that means there has been a strong counteracting force (anti-racism ?) from different directions to help that person build his/her self-worth.
Just a thought while passing here.
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@ Cornlia
You don’t need to apologize for interfering. I enjoy your input.
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@Cornlia: I agree with Sharina; contributing isn’t interfering–no apology necessary 🙂
@Sharina: I’m glad you’re secure enough in yourself to not take offense at attacks on your self worth; not everyone has found the peace and unity of ego it takes to build that kind of fortitude. Some of those people might project their inner conflict onto others in the form of racism, it’s true. But most people haven’t found that unity of self (even if they believe otherwise) and many of them are simply still struggling with it–without resorting to hatred. Just because Tyrone’s emotional reaction seems to indicate he isn’t there yet doesn’t mean he’s a racist. His username might be a good indication, though 😉
“Actually because I use to work in the criminal justice system that is kind of my thought process.” –You don’t see a problem with that?
Again, not defending Tyrone. For all I know, he’s a hate-mongering ofay in denial. It’s hard to say.
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@ Alex McG
You make a good point. I don’t see Tyronedaracist as racist at this point though, but I do believe that what Abagond wrote may actually be words that apply to him. I guess I just see no point in getting angry over something that is not true for that individual. I do understand him wanting to fight against generalizations though. I know quite a bit of whites that this would not apply to, but he came off as more how dare you point out the flaws of whites rather than don’t generalize.
“You don’t see a problem with that?”—If you want the honest truth,,,,no. It comes down to I have not seen anyone run that was not. This is not to say that those who do not run are not just as guilty.
“Again, not defending Tyrone. For all I know, he’s a hate-mongering ofay in denial. It’s hard to say.”—Even if you were it would be ok with me. It is good to get an understanding where some of these individuals come from, but I often times feel as if they want understanding and pity but are not willing to understand us.
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Maybe it’s because 6% of the population ( adult black males) are responsible for 80% of violent crime in the US or 78% of rapes commited?According to the DOJ stats that doesn’t even have a separate catagory for hispanics and whites! Black males are genetically pre-disposed to violence and have difficulty containing their emotions. Combine that with lower median i.q levels and you’ve got a problem. There is a reason that most black males will wind up in jail at somepoint in their lives and it’s not because of racism.
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Tisa, can we talk about the last three hundred years and the number of children fathered by some of my (or your, probably) ancestors, their brothers and cousins all over the planet through rape ? (of so-called non-white women).
And then we can re-do the statistics accordingly.
As for the “containment of emotions”, that just MADE ME LAUGH.
Racists have this particularity of displaying the highest level of stupidity possible.
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But then Tisa, you’ll serve us the other side of your racist coin which says that “black” women were looking for it… Also they all jumped joyfully into the slaveships. We all know that.
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@ Tisa
It is so funny that crime stats and IQ is all you people have when the world is full of contradiction to this. I suggest you take a long and hard look at the fbi national crime stats and soak in few facts about rape and violent crime. While I could rub it in your face the high crimes of whites, I won’t because I don’t believe that race is an indication on a persons ability to commit a crime.
2011: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43
Another thing you do realize that in the grand united states that Hispanic is not a race but an ethnic group. They can categorize as white or black for race.
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@ Cornlia
Nice response. I really just had to laugh at Tisa though. She pointed out black crimes but tried to explain away white crimes by saying “According to the DOJ stats that doesn’t even have a separate catagory for hispanics and whites.”
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and I haven’t even mentioned the ‘mexican’ part of the ‘hispanic’ equation yet…
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@ Tisa
Go ahead and mention them. What point do you have? They still can be classify as white or black. I get it. You want to make this big point of pointing out that Hispanics do most of the crime and they are classified as white, but it is not white crime blah blah and blah. Well tell that to the victims of columbine, sandy hooks, Ted bundy victims, Aileen Wuornos victims…I am sure you can fill in the rest. Back to my original point crime or the likelihood that one will commit it can not be determined by race, but the ignorant sure hang on to that belief.
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@Sharina
Well said!
Tisa, I love your stats, hahaha. Exactly 78% of rapes? That is quite an impressive study! I’m wondering, though–why didn’t they stop some of those unreported date and acquaintance rapes when they were counting them? I guess that’s what being a world-class statistic fabricator is all about–professional detachment. Oh, that, and staying away from numbers that end in 5 and 0, since those don’t sound real.
It’s sad that more statisticians don’t have their integrity; did you know that 64.3% of statistics are completely made up? Sad but true.
By the way, have you learned anything interesting from your recent studies in phrenology? Have you found the cranial carburator that makes asians so smart?
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@ tisa
I have a comment policy. Please review it. I delete comments that use racial slurs.
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@ Tisa
So I guess I we can fully say you lack a level of comprehension? I never made a claim that if we take out the Hispanic part of the white etc anything. What I said and let me quote it again because you missed it “You want to make this big point of pointing out that Hispanics do most of the crime and they are classified as white, but it is not white crime blah blah and blah.” Which you so happily proved me right.
“The deeper point is, that a very high proportion of Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and most all populations of countries from the carribean have black ancestory and a very high criminal activity count per captia by race..they are not ‘hispanic’
Get it yet?”—Actually you might want to do some research because they are classified under Hispanic. May want to up your research hun. I know enough Puerto Ricans and Dominicans that would spit in your face with that response. You pretty much are going through the trouble of making a long winded talk on something I already made a point on minus a large some of error on your part.
“Why don’t you focus on how to save your children from a ‘community imposed’ lifestyle of crime and no education instead of crying about shit from the past? WHy don’t you direct your energy towards fixing your social ills instead of trying to re-write hard, cold facts, like Dept of Justice crime stats?”—My children are straight As. I am a Mormon so pretty strict yet loving in the department of moral and personal accountability, I live in a nice home in a nice Black community, with manicured lawns, etc. I graduated top of my class etc. I could go on but I don’t like to brag. I didn’t rewrite crime stats. I just posted a link of them from the FBI 2011 national crime. Here it is again http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43
I guess you are having a hard time accepting them. I worked in the criminal justice system so I have seem more than what people take stats on. I guess all those kkk sites have you believing in a ‘community imposed’ lifestyle theory. LOL.
“Take some responsibility for your ‘communites’ actions and implement ways to prevent future generations from propegating the ‘gangsta’ role model. Stop blaming whitey for your failures and keep your young men out of jails by fixing your social construct first.”—I guess all those prayer rallies and other programs in the black community is them ignoring the problem. And let us not forget the regular occurrence of black Valedictorian graduates in my area. I don’t know the last time I saw the gangsta persona. About the last time I saw the grunge persona.
“Oh and I’m 2nd generation Korean-American btw, so save your KKK and trailer park insults -k?”—Just because you are “Korean-American” does not change that you are a racist or that you could in fact live in a trailer park, but hey thanks once again for proving me right. I look forward to your latest ignorance.
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@ Alex McG
Thank you!
And you made a very good point here in regards to stats. People can make up a stat on anything. I have for years questioned the validity of crime stats among others. For one just because someone is arrested does not mean they are guilty and have been found such for that crime. Two people can be not guilty and still be in jail.
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Whites look down and hate Blacks because of racial envy and at the same time, curiosity and hatred. they are jealous of us because we age better than them and we are supposedly better at sports than they are. At the same time, they hate us because they think that they are better than us yet they want to know how we do things.
Honestly this statement was from my experience with Whites and I hardly trust them. Or my own Black people. I do have trust issues but Whites, for the most part, aren’t trust worthy.
@Sharina
No use convincing an ignorant racist like Tish on here. Let her continue in her racist thoughts and ignorance because one day it will bite her in the butt. To some extent. I feel and know that most White Americans think like this twit, subconsciously or unconsciously or maybe a little bit of both. I just say hello and goodbye to most Whites at my job and school because I just don’t trust them very much.
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Adeen and others,
What baffles me the most is how you can hate a person merely because they look different from you. My mother had one Italian-american woman harassing her at work and saying “There’s some people I see, that I just don’t like”! She was talking about blacks. Many whites behave like that. I do know that there are whites who fight against this type of behavior and I do recall at pro-affirmative action events there were many whites there ( much more whites than asians or hispanics), however in everyday life, I cannot deny that the vast majority of whites behave as if blacks, merely because we’re of a different race & no matter how kind we are, believe we’re to be put under their foot, made to feel low and also be in “hurt mode”.
It’s scary to me how individually so many act angry and uncomfortable at seeing a black person friendly with another black person and how they don’t really like black couples (black man and black woman together). it’s creepy and psycho.
I am comfortable around everyone, asians, hispanics and others unless someone has done something to me. I had really bad experiences with hispanic racism some time ago but I moved and was willing to give those in my town a chance atleast. I don’t see people and hate them because of how they look. to me that is madness!
but it’s how it is and we have been facing this for hundreds of years, it’s getting better but how do we do more so we are less vulnerable to it?
Why is there not more emphasis on blacks getting more into management positions and starting more businesses because that’s where it happens most – on the job.
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@ adeen:
Are you sure about that? I have been in situations where I have been around hispanics or asians yet the white person doing the hating was very focused on me or a black person. It’s odd and sick. As if we’ve done something to them. Yet the whole history going back hundreds of years is white on black oppression, not just in the US or Europe but in Latin America and even in Africa.
re:
“Whites look down and hate Blacks because of racial envy and at the same time, curiosity and hatred. they are jealous of us because we age better than them and we are supposedly better at sports than they are. At the same time, they hate us because they think that they are better than us yet they want to know how we do things. “
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@Gina
Please don’t discount my experiences. Your response has excellent points to it. We don’t hate Whites because I know I don’t but I am wary of most of them though. Most of my friends at school are POC. I have had bad experiences with Whites regarding racism. I don’t hate Whites but I DO believe most Whites in America are racist because majority of them conform to society’s idea that White is right and Black get back whether they realize it or not. I think racism is subconsciously or unconsciously interwined inmost of their minds based on the stereotypes and things they heard about Blacks and other minorities from their parents and family members.
I don’t trust most Whites because most of them don’t give me a reason to trust them at all. Many Caucasians come off as nice in person but talk about Blacks and other minorities behind our backs and call Blacks and other POC racial slurs. I have experienced it. That is why the closest I have come to Whites in person is hello and goodbye.
I know there is good and bad in all races but racism =White supremacy and institutionalized racism that Blacks and other minorities go through each day in this country and if you, are a White person, you will never understand the experience I had as a Black woman in this country.
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@ Gina
I think a lot of it has to do with racist whites fear of blacks. While all races can be a force to be reconned with, blacks is a force that will actually fight against them compared to other groups who are willing to assimilate with them or atleast give the appearance of that.
With that being said it comes down to constant reminder of blacks being less. It is the mentality that if you are told you are less then you will act less and not go over the head of racist whites. If more blacks shake off the mentality they can greatly succeed on a new level. A level that is fearful for the racist whites because they can no longer rideskin color alone to get by (among other major changes).
This is me ranting and I could be wrong but just a thought.
If I was you I would continue to like people on an individual basis and not race. You have d*ck heads in each race.
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Sharina, The title of the page we’re on is “Why do whites hate, demonize fear and look down on blacks?” There is no separation there about racist white people in particular or heaven forbid the consideration that every race has racists. After this post I’m not checking this page again, it’s just a bunch of clucking about racism, get out there and do something about it. Our opinions won’t change things.
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@ krillanr
I know full well what the title says, but thank you for providing evidence that you did not care to read past that. I do plenty about it and then come to this blog and vent about it. So my actions do plenty while your opinions do nothing.
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The site emailed me your reply Sharina, I meant no offense even though I was blunt with my opinion.
I didn’t aim my comment about sharing opinions at anyone in particular, and you are different than many who talk about things that bother them.
I commend you for working against racism, and I was unfair overall to the value of this blog.
The title of the page dissuaded me from reading because it’s too vague. I am white and I have known and do know people of many different races, we have no trouble getting along.
My only meaning is the common phrase that words are cheap and actions get the work done. It’s the arguing that is pointless in my mind, that is a lot of what ya see online.
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@ Krillanr
I will apologize as I was rude and blunt as well and thank you for taking the time to give me a better understanding of where you are coming from.
You should not dis value opinions period because while they seem like nothing they can lead to actions. Talk is cheap and indeed can get you nowhere but some peoples talk can insight actions in others and I have gotten that from this blog.
I know for a lot of people the title throws them off and it serves more to grab attention. Truth of the matter is most if not all know this does not apply to all whites, but for those that this does apply to it is quite accurate.
When I first read this blog I immediately thought he was not talking about all whites because I had a contradicting prospective in my everyday life, so to me he was talking about those that fit the bill. I also just never once thought people could see this as him talking about all whites either. We all have different perspectives and what I perceived the language to mean I did not think that others would perceive it in a different light.
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Adeen.
This is very wise and mature talk.
Unfortunately, you are right about most people classified as “white”. It is (and must be) very difficult to entrust them… I am a person classified as “white” in the US, and I think the same, except that I don’t have to undergo the result of their behavior personally. I avoid those people too. I absolutely cannot stand it when they start their racist rants or simply stupid remarks. I used to get angry with them, now I just mock them with a short remark.
However, as part of a family whose other head is classified as “black”, I do undergo the impact of their behavior. And my presence helps whenever we have to do things that are difficult or “risky” when it’s only my husband. It’s totally unfair… totally disgusting.
I like your approach very much. Thank you. It feels good to know there are people like you (and I know many others) who do not categorize to the extremes but yet are aware of the reality. And many times it is indeed much safer to not trust at all.
I just hope I manage to make a few people around me change and some of the kids I talk and teach to learn and spread a non-racist attitude so that people like you don’t have to deal with that BS. Thank you Adeen.
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LO0L at Sharina-bragging bout being a Mormon. THE MOST RACIST RELIGION ON THE PLANET. This is a religion that woulnd’t even let blacks in the door until 1978 when the gov’et threatend to shut down it’s ‘churches/wards! All the black butt kissing in the world isn’t going to change that Sharina, or the Dept of Jusctice violent crime stats. What kind of fool are you? Oh and you were’ ‘top of your class’ ” your kids get staright a’s in the finely manicured lawn section of your black town! lol WHAT KIND OF INTERNET LIES ARE THOSE? they aren
‘t even decent lies.
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To all of you handwringing,, pandering white people– listen chicken hearts…. Just admit the reason you don’t and can’t trust blacks is because of their violent nature worldwide. Look at the rape stats from Haiti-look at the infantile rape stats in South Africa- google the dept of justice stats for yourselves, don’t be fooled by liars like Sharina! Look at the world around you. Look at the black peoples posts on this very message board that clearly show that they don’t like you, don’t trust you and feel that you owe them something- and it will never change
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Tisa? You are Asian, (I’ll take your word for it). You must be one of those white washed ones who think the sun shines out of white peoples anal apertures. Carry on!
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@ Tisa
Awww I see facts are starting to hurt your ego. Let me enlighten you are more.
Blacks were in the Mormon church since the beginning. The idea that they weren’t is a tailored lie. In fact they held the same positions as the whites in the church until after joseph smith died in which it was decided that blacks could not hold the priesthood (not that they were banned from the church). facts :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mormons
All the moronic rants on your part won’t change these stats either….http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43
And I will quote “White individuals were arrested more often for violent crimes than individuals of any other race, accounting for 59.4 percent of those arrests.”
I didn’t say I lived in a black town. I said a black neighborhood(majority black but a mixture of whites and Hispanics and a few Asians) and it is obvious that you don’t know the difference between a black neighborhood and a ghetto which you are trying to refer to. As you naively believe that all blacks live in them. Sorry but that is a myth that racist tell each other to make themselves feel better.
Maybe you live in them, maybe your black baby daddy left you and you are taking it out on other blacks, whatever the case is you are a nice example of what this blog is pointing out.
Like i said…I don’t like to brag but if you like I will be happy to scan a picture of my transcript, the numerous honor societies I am in, my kids report cards, my house, my neighborhood, my neighbors, etc.
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correction you more*
LMFAO @ Tisa!!!!!!OMG FBI crime stats are fake. LOL!!! I must have fabricated it in my crime lab in the basement. LAYSA!!! I have heard it all.
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@ Tisa
I just deleted two of your comments. It is not necessary to call people names to prove them wrong or question their opinions.
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Funny thing about ‘internet braggers” like Sharina… They follow a typical pattern. They always talk about their ” degrees’ the million dollar houses they live in, their fantastic jobs that make them experts on any subject and their kids that wear their angelic halos in public. But when you ask them to pony up and prove their lies-they resort to insults and usually get hysterical.. Let’s see if Sharina posts the proof of the ‘maincured lawns, criminal justice expertise, honors soceities and transcripts” I can bet you, this request will be met with ‘ I don’t have to prove anything to you” or ” let’s see your credentials” (you know, the ones I haven’t mentioned) or insults. I’ve taken your own stats and proved my point that I was correct and proved you to be wrong. I’m also taking into consideration I’m debating with someone who beleives that ‘golden plates’ are buried on a hill in upstate NY and suscribes to a religion that was forced by the u.s. govt to open it’s churches to blacks or lose religious tax exemptions! google is your fren- lol.
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http://www.vdare.com/articles/mapping-the-unmentionable-race-and-crime
Read with an open mind if you want the TRUTH or just google. That’s how I found it, within 10 seconds..
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@ tisa
What you found within 10 seconds is a well-known white supremacist website.
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Abagond- I know. But I wanted to use it anyway, because numbers don’t lie. I posted that one for the reaction-their racist opinions don’t change the facts-I’m done with Sharina-she’s toast. Thank you for not deleting all of my posts-Tisa
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Here is a non-racist site “The report says 40 percent of white hate crime victims were attacked by blacks, adding, “The small number of black hate crime victims precludes analysis of the race of persons who victimized them.”
The report by the Justice Department is the one most often cited by hate-crime experts as depicting the true national story. It shows the number of incidents is more than 15 times higher than FBI statistics alone reflect.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2006/02/34888/#7cw7WEF779Kx44uY.99
WASHINGTON – The most likely victim of a hate crime in the U.S. is a poor, young, white, single urban dweller, according to an analysis of Justice Department statistics collected from between July 2000 and December 2003.
A November report by the Bureau of Justice Statistics detailing a study of 210,000 “hate crimes” a year during that period has gone virtually unreported by the U.S. press.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2006/02/34888/#7cw7WEF779Kx44uY.99
The american media doesn’t want you to know.-these stats are 10 years old-the update will be this year 2013, it’s a lot worse from what I’ve read. I’m bi-racial so it doesn’t affect me so much, but on my life expericence, blacks seem to think it’s okay to make racist jokes and names about my racial background because they are blac and get a free pass. I’ve had many more racial insults and gestures done to me by blacks then any other race, by far. Racism is not a white-only problem. Look at the posts here by black people-it’s downright scary, there’s an air of justification and smugness, that it’s ok not to like, trust or associate with whites. Prove me wrong with the truth-not opinions like Sharina’s who obviously in spite of her ‘magna cum laude ivy league college degree”, can’t seem to comprehend statistical charts and percentages per capita…
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@ Tisa
Awww did someone throw a tandrum while I was sleeping? Now you are starting to contradict yourself. I thought my stats were a lie? Made up. 🙂
What do you thinks stats are? I never argued the validity of them. I simply put in a link. Quoted one statement from it and allowed you to run with it trying to validate and change and switch things around. It is actual quite funny and again proves my point how racist hold on to any type of stats as long as they support their ignorance. Now those stats are actually based on the 2011 estimated population. Like all stats I am sure their is a margin of error. But like I said to someone previously. I am not sure why people believe that because whites make up more of the population that that some how vindicates them from being the most arrested group for violent crimes. No matter how you argue it it will not change the fact that 243,928 whites were arrested for violent crimes nor will it make it worse for the 157,384 blacks that were also arrested for violent crimes. Get over it. How does what whites do and don’t do affect you? For that matter how does what blacks do and don’t do affect you?
There is that reading comprehension again. I never said their was not racist in the Mormon church. What you claimed was that blacks were not allowed in the church. In which I responded to. Gave you a link as well. refer to the above comment. Elijah Abel was baptized into the church in 1832. My black in law was baptized into the church in 1965, so this idea that blacks were not allowed in the church is simply ridiculous. The previous link suffices as my evidence so I will not be “googling it” again. If you can’t comprehend that then you just can’t.
I never said I live in a million dollar home. I simply stated I lived in a black neighborhood and not a ghetto. My husband is the worker. I get the amazing privilege of being a stay at home mom with my two lovely children. Well you did not ask me to prove anything I offered to provide it to you.
Funny part about all this. Never said half the stuff you are claiming. LMFAO!
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@ abagond
You didn’t have to delete them. I love the fact that Tisa was so obsessed that she wrote several comments about me arguing over things I never said. It was quite flattering to say the least.
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@Tish
And where did you get these dumb statistics from, Stormfront?
The oppressed can’t oppress the oppressors.
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Yes, they can Adeen on a local basis. Happens all the time in an area where the numbers game favors it even if on a more global level the opposite is true.
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@ Joshua
Do you care to explain or provide an example?
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I does bring to light a good question though. Can the oppressed oppress the oppressor?
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Yeah, white supremacist sites are easier to find on Google than anti-racist sites. No surprise, I would say. Seems like they are opened the right doors.
About two years ago, I was trying to find reference to “white” anti-racist Civil Rights activists, I typed “White Civil Rights activists” and…
the first link with David Duke’s site !
These guys are actually defending against the “oppressor” !! They are so sick it would be hilarious if it wasn’t tragic…
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@Sharina
He didn’t answer my question because he doesn’t even understand what it is like to be an oppressed minority in AmeriKKKa.
The oppressed doesn’t have the power to oppress the oppressor. The oppressor has economic, political and social power to oppress and take advantage of the oppressed. That is what White Americans have been doing in the past and still doing to Blacks, Mexicans, Native Americans to this day. White America is still on top despite the fact that they are afraid of the Black man in the Oval Office. White AmeriKKKa has prospered from Blacks and other minorities worldwide being oppressed, downtrodden and has exploited third world nations to it’s advantage for centuries. The economic downturn and slow decline of AmeriKKKa is payback for the years AmeriKKKa has exploited third world countries and Native Indigneous people, mistreated Blacks, Latinos and the way Americans of all races spend and live reckless lives.
Blacks can be prejudiced against Whites but they don’t have the power to oppress and keep Whites down the way Whites in AmeriKKKa use institutionalized racism to keep Blacks and Latinos down. AmeriKKKa and most of AmeriKKKa’s White citizens have a lot to atone for for the way they mistreat Blacks and other minorities.
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@ Adeen
You did amazing at answering the question. While I hear crickets in the direction of Joshua.
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@Sharina
It is the truth. I try to post nothing but the truth on here.
We, Blacks can live without White people but Whites can’t live without us. AmeriKKKa will go down in a heartbeat if Blacks left this country as well as Latinos. If America had no Blacks and Latinos, Whites wouldn’t have anyone to bring the problems of the nation on.
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@ Adeen
I know and it is good to stick to telling the truth. It seems to hurt people more than anything else.
“If America had no Blacks and Latinos, Whites wouldn’t have anyone to bring the problems of the nation on.”—Actually they would. It would then turn on to Asians and once they left then it would be poor whites.
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@ Tisa
“Stick your head in the sand if you want, Sharina. that there are 14.82 murders per 100K by blacks versus 2.17 per 100K for whites -According to the stats that YOU posted.Per capita there are 7x more murders committed by blacks than whites, according to ‘your’ stats”—-Before I go I had to comment on this. Are you sure these are stats I posted. I did some research and found this on a site:
FBI Crime Stats for 2010:
90% of blacks are murdered by blacks, and 83% of whites are murdered by whites?
In 2010 there were 14.82 murders per 100K by blacks versus 2.17 per 100K for whites?
Per capita there are 7x more murders committed by blacks than whites.
So you basically took stats from somewhere else (not what I posted) and decided to claim it as something I posted. Then you go on to try and prove me wrong with them (as if I made a claim either way). LMFAO!!!
I am having a heart attack I am laughing so hard. No integrity at all. none. I guess you may want to start choking down that burnt toast you just served yourself.
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@Sharina
Tish is whitewashed sellout, there is no hope for her. And you are right and America will always be AmeriKlan or AmeriKKKa to me and many all minorities until White AmeriKKKans change their ways and atone for their sins, get rid of institutionalized racism and try to make our society more tolerant of people of different races.
I can’t wait until the day AmeriKKKa becomes a society that judges people based on their character instead of the color of their skin but for now, AmeriKKKa is a racist country.
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No crickets, I have a life. Try it, Sharina.
Any place where locally the power – any or all of political, economic,social – is held by a group that is normally oppressed nationally it is possible for the oppressed to become the oppressor. It isn’t by any means equivalent to the larger oppression. I’ve seen it with Latinos, I’m not as familiar with blacks.
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@ Joshua
I don’t have to try it. I live it.
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And unless anyone in this room is dead. I am most certain we all have a life.
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SHARINA- what do I have to do to explain to you that 6% of the population commits 80% of violent crime in america per captia? Do you know what per capita means? I don’t think you do-you’re the only person on the planet that refuses to accept hard, cold facts. Oh well, everyone else knows it, you keep kidding yourself-you just don’t get it. you can’t compare a group that represents approx 65% of the pop. and compare it to 13% -when one group is almost 5 times larger than the other the numbers are going to be askew. PER CAPITA and you CANNOT compare the true white stats as long as the FBI/DOJ doesn’t separate latinos and whites. Take the latino/mexican crime stats out of the white crimes and you will see them fall dramatically and then get the sickening reality that black americans by far commit nearly all of the violent crime in this country.The black on white rapes stats are horrifying and the white on black rape is so low that it is classified as ‘n/a” according to the fed gov’t.Since you have all day to do nothiing, read those stats you were provided when you pull your head out of that hole you have it in.Cheers!
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The Bureau of Justice Statistics further estimated that if this trend continues, 36 out of 1000 Black women in the United States can expect to go to prison in their lifetime, compared to 15 out of a 1000 Hispanic women and 5 out of 1000 white women (Greenfeld and Snell, 1999). Black women are dangerous too. This is why whites fear blacks-I don’t think they ‘hate’ them’ or demonize them, but if it walks like a duck….
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1 in every 15 African American men and 1 in every 36 Hispanic men are incarcerated in comparison to 1 in every 106 white men
.Black and Hispanic students represent more than 70 percent of those involved in school-related arrests or referrals to law enforcement. Currently, African Americans make up 42% and Hispanics 28% of confined youth today. ( remember-black males make up approx 6% of the u.s. pop.)According to the US Department of Justice, when comparing the incarceration rates to the to the American residential population, black males are 6 times and Hispanic males are a little more than 2 times more likely to be held in custody than white males in 2007.Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 28% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 16% of Hispanic males and 4.4% of white males.
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@Tisa
Where did you get these statistics? I am sure you get them from Storm front because Blacks aren’t anymore violent than anyone else. I am a Black woman and I am not more violent than anyone else. I am not mean or violent. It is sad that White supremacy has affected your mind to the point that you feel you are better than Blacks and Latinos. I really should pray for people like you,
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@ Tisa
You don’t have to explain it to me because I know what the 2011 stats say and I can read them just fine. You keep trying to explain it to me to try and clean up the egg off your face. Your integrity is gone at this point and anything you say is no longer trust worthy. Actually blacks my dear make up 14.1% of the population and white 69.1%. You can’t even get that part right let alone try to explain to me about per capita. I never denied any crime facts, so where in any of my posts are you getting the idea that I have? I know blacks commit a lot of crime, but whites do too. I also realize because of blacks being a small group that if 1 in 3 blacks commit a crime then the percentage is thus larger than if 1 in 9 whites commit a crime. It is you writing post after post after post trying to deny and debunk. Then you throw stats with no link. Stats that are not national but only focus on one state, non existent stats, stats that are not even current, and the sad part is that you are trying to pass the off as current. Once again damaging your integrity. Then you keep hounding on the rape stats yet very careful not to post them. Now you switch the words around to say “The black on white rapes stats are horrifying and the white on black rape is so low that it is classified as ‘n/a” according to the fed gov’t.” Then once again you are trying to hold on to the idea that fbi stats don’t separate Hispanics from whites. Well wake up moron they don’t separate them from black either. Another mute point you keep harboring on.
So basically what I learned from you is you are a liar. Who was bullied in school by blacks so spends her time looking for black crime stats in hopes to make other blacks feel inferior (like the blacks that bullied you did) and makes up lies on blogs in hopes that she can win one against a black. LOL! I am black and I was bullied and picked on by blacks, but who cares. I am not going to hate them or try to label them a statistic.
In regards to your “I have nothing to do” comment. You must live in the freaking dark ages. With technology I could be anywhere and responding on my phone, tablet or laptop. The fact that people say things like that these days really speaks in volumes to their limited minds.
You can continue to post all day and you won’t win this argument. In fact you lost the moment you lost your integrity. You lied and for that no one is going to believe the bull you try to pull out of your azz. My position was and has been that whites and blacks commit a large sum of crime period. They just commit it more so in different areas. You can pull up stats and calculate them or find a site to do it for you all day and all night, but it won’t by change the fact that 6,578,133 crimes by whites or the 2,697,539 by blacks. They chose to do it. Ted bundy a white man made the choice to go kill several women. Adam Lanza a white man chose to kill innocent children. Numbers and stats can be made to be whatever one wants, but the people who do the crime are facts. I don’t need to look at numbers on a paper to see what is going on around me and make judgements on that. You do. So what next are you going to post to prove me right about you some more? You have not debunked me or proved me wrong because you are so delusional you have no clue what my position is or what I believe. You are trying so hard to think for me because of my skin color and you are getting it wrong every time.
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@ Adeen
I honestly would take her stats and any stats with a grain of salt. She lost her integrity and If anyone is willing to go through such lengths to prove some stats right then you have to wonder the validity of the source. One of her stats is not found. Others can be found but they are from 2000 to 2006 and the recent stats all have to do with drugs and arrest for drugs (not the violent crimes she claimed on blacks earlier). It all is just another example of her lack of integrity as an individual. She is taking drug stats and trying to pass them off as black violent crime, but if indeed those violent crimes were an ace in the hole for her why be so deceitful?
At first it was funny as hell. Now I have to laugh to keep from crying because it really is just sad.
My advice to you Adeen is keep doing you. Keep being a walking contradiction to what white racist think. Most racist are just insecure children who need someone else to be less than them so they feel better about themselves. I have been a contradiction my whole life…so has my family…so has my friends…so has so many other blacks that I have had the pleasure of knowing (visit ATL if you need more proof). But never let their ignorance determine if and how you succeed.
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Do these trolls realize that by posting their disdain does nothing but prove the case?
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ah man this thread is really getting depressing. I hold up the archetypical troll as someone posting ‘fbi stats’ and there is another one. Clearly young, impressionable and on some type of mission. Seems like some sort of ‘indoctrination sortie’ of some type. I mean who would even read vdare much less post about it here, like there is something to prove. It just makes it harder to relate that there is white people that just go for it like that, very sad.
I count this blog as a blessing everyday, abagond and everyone else truly has been very tolerant and accomodating of my rants and personal issues, and you know, clearly malcom x said you can do nothing, but i don’t know that to be the case.
it’s a real problem.
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@Sharina
Thanks but I live in a racist town full of people like her and they get on my nerves. I know there is racists everywhere you go but they are really bringing this country down
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I’ve never seen such collective denial.It’s like Stockholm syndrome! Sharina- how can you claim those numbers when whites and latinos and mixed together and dont’ have separate catagories? PER CAPITA is all that matters. Youre little strawman is pathetic.. unfortunately you will have to google some of these terms I’ve used because you don’t possess the mental capacity to grasp them. I’ve slam dunked you, proved you wrong and now you’re just on an emotional rant. ( typical ) because I embarassed you on here.Now I understand that you’re just out of your league, but not worthy of my pity. you don’t even know what per captia means and you can’t read stats-college grad with honors LOL! The rest of you; Are you so blind in your guilt and butt kissing that you can’t admit the truth when it’s right in your face? Sharina obviously can’t comprehend statistics, but there is a reason that whites ( and others) fear blacks-it’s because they are violent, have low i.q.’s and have allowed the federal gov’t and entitlement programs destroy the black family unit.–80% of black households have one parent-the mothers.a crimes stats-
Don’t buy the lies, research it on your own, 1 in 3 black men will be in prison at some point in their lives. Black womens crime stats are horrifying Google the Dept of Justice . BTW it’s not just whites that feel this way.I can assure you of this, Asians want nothing to do with blacks because of the crime rates and latinos always separate themselves in every urban area across the u.s.to get away from them. Asian families always gravitate to white areas, always.To all of you who ‘disagree’ with hard cold facts, ask yourselves this; it’s 2;00 a.m and your car broke down at a crossroad-to the west is a black neighborhood-to the east is white-to the south is latino and the north is mixed. Which way would you walk home? lol- you don’t have to answer here, but we know which way you would NOT walk and all the lies in the world won’t change that choice. Have a nice day!.
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I think I found a clue as to why Sharina and others like her are behaving like they are on this site. Here’s is Sharina’s words-notice how she tries to build a strawman of assumptions and clearly gives a peek into her motivations for spewing lies and misinformation.
Her words: “So basically what I learned from you is you are a liar. Who was bullied in school by blacks so spends her time looking for black crime stats in hopes to make other blacks feel inferior (like the blacks that bullied you did) and makes up lies on blogs in hopes that she can win one against a black. LOL! I am black and I was bullied and picked on by blacks…”
So now you get on the internet to try and bully others because of repressed rage.great.
Abagond, why is she allowed to call me a moron? Curious as to why it’s ok for her to engage in name calling- However,I had to lol at that post of hers that you deleted, that accused me of getting impregnated by a black guy who ran off and left me! HA!
Oh, btw- it’s not just the violent crime rates. You also have a 10 times greater chance of catching AIDS or another std from blacks than any other race. The rate of chlamydia among black women was over seven times the rate among white women….
The chlamydia rate among black men was almost 11 times the rate among white men (761.8 and 69.9 cases per 100,000 men, respectively).
Among males aged 15–19 years, the rate among blacks was 13.1 times the rate among whites….
In 2010, 69% of ALL reported cases of gonorrhea occurred among blacks. The rate of gonorrhea among blacks in 2010 was 432.5 cases per 100,000 population, which was 18.7 times the rate among whites (23.1). This disparity has changed little in recent years. This disparity was larger for black men (22.2 times) than for black women (16.2 times.)
Black women aged 15–19 years had a GONNORREAH rate of 2,032.4 cases per 100,000 women. This rate was 17.1 times the rate among white women in the same age group (119.0). Black women aged 20–24 had a gonorrhea rate of 1,997.6 cases per 100,000 women, which was 12.7 times the rate among white women in the same age group. ( Sharina, are you in this stat?)
Primary and Secondary Syphilis: The overall 2010 rate for blacks was eight times the rate for whites, while the 2009 rate was 9.2 times the rate for whites In 2010, rates for black women aged 15–19 years were 38 times the rate for white women of the same age..
http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats10/minorities.htm.
HIV/AIDS:The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that they accounted for nearly half (44%) of all new infections in 2010, despite making up only 14% of the population. This represents a rate that is eight times as high as that of whites.
Let’s see… highest per capita violent crime rates, highest per capita incarceration rates, highest std/hiv/aids rate, lowest high school and college graduation rates, highest teen pregnancy rates, highest unemployment percentages, highest number of food stamp and welfare recipients per captia, largest number of single parent household rates and the biggest whiners and excuse makers on the planet. Prove me wrong, you can’t.
Have a nice day!
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@ Tisa
Here is a question for you…Where did I deny the stats? They are old stats were they not? What I said and what people can Google and find is that you took stats from drug convictions and tried to use them as violent crime proof. This is not false this is a fact. For example when you made this claim in numbers:
1 in every 15 African American men and 1 in every 36 Hispanic men are incarcerated in comparison to 1 in every 106 white men.Black and Hispanic students represent more than 70 percent of those involved in school-related arrests or referrals to law enforcement. They can be found here http://www.alternet.org/story/154587/1_in_3_black_men_go_to_prison_the_10_most_disturbing_facts_about_racial_inequality_in_the__u.s._criminal_justice_system and here http://truthoffering.com/post/32721893351/the-war-on-drugs-a-war-on-the-black-community
You can’t argue stats on drug convictions and claim this as violent crime. It is a deceitful tactic. It makes you a liar.
I pulled stats from a 2011 crime report and you have yet to debunk it. You have quoted people on crime stats from 2010 but not once have you been able to calculate probability or likelihood of the stats I have presented nor the rate of crimes . So until you do you can save the per capita talk. I will actually do it for you when I have more time.
You are the one that keeps making claims on numbers a stats. You are the one trying to compare black and white crime. Remember this quote by you “when one group is almost 5 times larger than the other the numbers are going to be askew.” You have several post above doing just that (I guess you are not only a moron but delusional). So answer this question how can you claim those numbers when blacks and Latinos are mixed together and don’t’ have separate categories? yea have been saying this for a long time and you still try to bypass it. Do you even know what position you are taking or are you bouncing from one to the other to see what gives you a better chance of winning?
I have written one or two post per your several responses to me and I am the emotional one. Ummm ok.
Bully you. LOL. Oh and abagond did not delete any of my post. I never accused you of anything. I said maybe. It has been you accusing me of all type of crap. This is what I said to you :Maybe you live in them, maybe your black baby daddy left you and you are taking it out on other blacks, whatever the case is you are a nice example of what this blog is pointing out.
So I guess it is official. Comprehension issues. Oh and before I forget. You may want to refresh your memory on strawman arguments because you actually have been doing a fine example of it. Again when I have more time I will give more detail.
Also when I return I will actually provide links to the current stats you keep throwing out and being deceitful about.
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@ Tisa
If you had so conclusively won as you claim then you would not be still making post after post of stats after stats, Of all the post you made not one of them addressed the stats I put in. You just bring in new stats. You really only need one to prove a point, but that is only if you actually had won.
I was bullied by them but unlike you I don’t try to make them a crime statistic to discredit the accomplishments in their lives. According to the definition of Bully it would first require that I am actually being mean or cruel to you (no different than I am from any other racist) and it would also require that you view yourself as smaller or weaker person.
According to my actually 2011 crime stats the population estimate is 238,952,977. Of this estimate blacks make up 14.1% and whites 69.1%. So blacks are 33,453,417 and whites are 164,877,554. Blacks commit about 157,384 of violent crime meaning about 470.45 per 100k. Whites commit about 243,928 of violent crime so about 147.94 per 100k. If I was to exchange the population of each Leaving each crime to its own race then blacks would make up about 95.46 per 100k. While whites would amount for 729.16 per 100k. So lets be fair and test a situation of equal amount down the middle 99165485.5 whites and blacks. Blacks 158.71 per 100k and whites 245.98 per 100k. See how a large population can make a large sum of crime seem like it is not that much and a small population can make a large sum of crime seem out of this world ( like very one in that group has committed a crime). Each group has its own issues with crime and as I stated to you previously. Trying to focus on one will not vindicate the other. They still commited the crime so what are you going to do about it? Can you change it?
Now on to your std stats. “Because minority populations may use public clinics more than whites, differences in rates between minorities and whites may be increased by this reporting bias.13 However, prevalence data from population-based surveys, such as NHANES and the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, confirm the existence of marked STD disparities in some minority populations.14,15…..Many cases are reported with race and/or ethnicity missing. Rate data presented in this report are not adjusted for missing race or ethnicity.” Interesting and enough said. I have been with my husband for 10 years so sorry to disappoint you in your once again wrong assumptions of me. Now If I had fit into those statistics then I would have contracted the disease from white men because that is really the only type of relationships that were serious that I had prior to my husband that would actually become sexual. 🙂 Furthermore I am not responsible for the bad decision of others. I can educate and educate some more but I can’t decide for them, so what is your point in the STD rant?
In regards to welfare http://statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/. Whites are a close mark my dear, but not my business. With Teen pregnancy Hispanics actually are the highest according to http://www.cdc.gov/TeenPregnancy/AboutTeenPreg.htm. The amazing thing about this link is instead of just quoting stats it seeks to look at the deeper issues that these individuals face in regards to teen pregnancy and the likelihood of dropping out because of it.
Here is the thing. The things you were wrong on I did prove you wrong (which is the reason you are trying to bring focus to something else aside from begging the room to believe you). I pegged you as deceitful and I provided the correct links to view information that you said was one thing and turns out to be stats for another (none of which I have yet to deny). You keep saying I said or believe one thing and still you are trying to argue it, but how can you argue what I never said. So you are propping up an argument with yourself. So you might want to actually start debating me on something I said first.
FYI I never respond to people in anger as it would expose a weakness. You should try it and maybe…just maybe you will be able to read and comprehend what I said. Instead of getting mad over things I did not say, but you thought I said. LMFAO.
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@ Tisa
Let’s say the statistics are indeed correct. What now? You come here to whine and berate, but what have you done about the situation? Common decency would dictate if your fellow man is in obvious need of help, then you would do whatever you can to improve their condition – however small your contribution. After all, it’s the Christian thing to do.
However, if you just sit there and complain, but do absolutely nothing about the problem, aren’t you now part of that problem? If you are in a better position than someone else and can help them and you don’t, then you don’t really have a right to complain.
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@Tisa:
Why are you here and what do you want or hope to accomplish with your comical diatribes? For someone who wishes to keep separate from blacks, I would gather that last thing they would do is to come to sites such as this. Perhaps this is your hobby(mines gardening)? Perhaps you need some good ol sh*ts and giggles(I love a good laugh myself, thanks for providing some!). Perhaps you secretly wish to be persuaded to the contrary? Maybe you are secretly lusting after black men or women(i don’t know if you are male or female). In any case the jig is up, beat it or go to the broken records department, sheesh.
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The facts remain, the facts. The question put forward was in the title of the article”why do…” Well, I’ve explained it to you and you refuse to accept the facts. The violent crime rate, ridiculous std rates, incarceration percentages, unemployment rates, highest school dropout rates and single parent household percentages. Because of these societal ills, brought on by glamorizing a ‘gangsta’ lifestyle and refusal to embrace education and a predisposed genetic disposition to violence worldwide, everyone-including whites, asians and other racial and ethinic groups, do not want to live around blacks and don’t want their children exposed to all of the validated stats I’ve provided. It’s simple, really. Black people need to be accountable for their own ‘villages’ and until they quit blaming everyone else for their failures, the perception will continue and passed onto future generations.Have a nice day.
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Humor is the wrong way to disarm racism. Humor cement rather this evil.
For me, the only way is to bring out the truth: THERE ARE NO RACES when we talk about human beings. In USA and some other countries they still believe that humans can be divided in races. Such thoughts belongs to the 18th century.
“Race” is a tool to keep track of dogs, cats, horses and some other animals on economic grounds, but “race” is in no way scientific. Science talk about species, subspecies, etc.
There are no subspecies of humans. 30.000 years ago it maybe was two: Modern man and the Neanderthal man. Today all human beings are very similar, genetically. That’s why new viruses and diseases are so dangerous, it kills all men and women, not only “white”, “brown” or “black”.
Humans are one. The same family. It’s a good thing that we look a little different, differences which are caused by adaption to different climates.
Elimination of prejudice of all kinds is a must now.
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@ Tisa
And that is where your problem is and why you argument fails to even meet the bar. You can’t tell the difference between a fact and your opinion. Truth is that there are whites that don’t feel this way because they don’t need to, but their are also whites that feel this way simply because they see blacks accomplish things and they have not accomplished anything in their life. Many whites go by stereotypes that are actually untrue and use that be a guide to black people all the while being wrong. In my area white black and Asian relationships are soaring. We have a great deal of black white relationships and black Asian relationships that are just growing. I saw my first Korean and Black relationship and they had two absolutely beautiful children with them. Many of the Asian supermarket’s I go to regularly are in what most would consider the ghetto. Black neighborhoods and businesses are on a rise. I see more and more of them. These are facts that I see with my own eyes. We had a white female commenter on the blog a while back and she told the story of how her car broke down in the ghetto and all the whites passed her by and did not bother to stop, but a black man who owned a gas station came out to help her. My sister-in-law who lives in Texas lives in a neighborhood with Hispanics and Asians. Her favorite neighbor is Vietnamese. My best friend is Filipino and one of my good friends is Chinese. Facts.
Sorry to once again break it to you but blacks do value school (granted not all). A lot of successful blacks are in the shadows and people like you would not know anything about them because you bury your head in the sand and let stats that are god knows how accurate tell you what the majority of blacks are doing. Just as quick as you googled those stats you could have easily googled to see what blacks are actually doing instead of what numbers are telling you they might be doing.The links is a list of 10 successful black individuals.
http://www.businessinsurance.org/10-most-successful-african-american-ceos-of-all-time/
http://rollingout.com/business/big-thinkers/10-black-child-geniuses-you-should-know/
Fact of the matter is most people (no matter race) want racism to die. They don’t give a crap about crime stats because they know how to judge people based on the content of their character and not what numbers label them as. They know that crime stats are not something you can rely on and only the ignorant do. And for those ignorant that do it is because they have low self-esteem issues that lead them to look for someone to make seem or look worse than them so they can boost themselves up. Behaviors of a typical bully. Furthermore people like you are the problem. You make it hard for non racist whites to be viewed as individuals that just want to make friendships and live life on a non-racist stand point. You don’t stand for all whites. You stand for the ignorant bunch that we all are trying to get rid of.
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@ Stefan Santerre
Very well said. I think sometimes you have to laugh. It is sad and I pity the mindset of racist.
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Sharina =lol @ any Korean being with a black person. If you’re going to make up fantasies, at least make it halfway believable.All the hundreds of Koreans I know ( as well as most asians) wouldn’t be caught dead with a black person..The family shame and dishonor would be too much pressure and you obviously know nothing about asians. We open grocery stores in your neighborhoods because you won’t-we make money off of you, we don’t ‘date/.you. lol at your little anecdotes- I will stick by all of the verified crime/rape/std stats I’ve provided before risk my life and safety. Have a nice day!
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@ Tisa
You love to contradict yourself (must be a glutton for punishment). If What I said is a fantasy then it would be not true…made up…part of my imagination. Then you naively come in to say “ll the hundreds of Koreans I know ( as well as most asians) wouldn’t be caught dead with a black person.” So are you claiming what I said is made up or that the people you know would not?
I don’t have to make up . It is a fact. Just because the ones you know would not does not account for the others you don’t know and don’t have a clue about what they think or believe. If you want to be real with Asian culture dating any race outside of their own is bothersome. On top of that I said I only saw one and you are ready to flip the coop. Why are you upset about what one female decides to do? Oh I know because you thought you knew all Koreans. Just like you know what all whites think too LOL.
here is some links to prove otherwise. I threw in some stats as you like them so much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States#Asian_and_Black
http://s1.zetaboards.com/Express_Yourself/topic/3145095/1/
Well unless the black community regularly cooks Asian cuisine then I doubt the store was set up for the main purpose of making money on just blacks. When I speak of Asian supermarkets I mean products from Asia. Popular Japanese, Chinese, Korean, and Filipino products that can’t be found in the states. Since my Chinese and my Filipino friend taught me how to cook a few dishes I have been going to them to get the products. It’s not for everyone (learned that with Thai food). Now weave stores you may have a case. 🙂 There is also a grocery store run by blacks in the area that sells America products that most Americans would be looking for.
You know repeating your stats are verified makes you sound desperate for it to be true. It is like another form of you pleading for the blacks whites and Asians (oh yea not just blacks in here) of this blog to agree with you. . Your argument failed because you were trying to prove something that could not be proven with those stats. If you actually understood stats (or cared to) then you would know why people are dismissing them.
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@Sharina
Tisa is a lost case. I doubt she will ever wake up until a White person calls her the n word and tells her that he just sees a Black person when they see her. After all, that is how most Whites see Blacks as n words. Honestly I am in support of Blacks making their own businesses because that is what they should do.
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@ Adeen
I personally at this point love watching her be wrong each and every time she posts something. It was funny and now it is just sad because I don’t even think she knows what she is wrong about. I see that you also notice that in one post she is Korean American and in the next she is biracial (the price of being a liar).
I support black businesses too, but I am a huge supporter of minority businesses in general. A great deal of my family members own their own businesses and have been a big hit with the community blacks and whites. A lot of blacks actually own their own businesses, but due to the media people are lead to believe that blacks only live in the ghetto and commit crimes. False information to feed the bigots it what it is.
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@ Tisa
South Korean woman married to a Black man and they have a mixed child. AND they live in South Korea.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFjHct6yRa4)
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@ Tisa
Children of Black fathers, Korean mothers:
Amerie,
Hines Ward,
Will Demps,
Tasha Reid,
Crystal Kay,
Tomika Skanes,
La’Shontae Heckard.
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@ Bulanik
I guess Tisa shouldn’t go to the Caribbean or her head would explode!
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Stephan, the cultural residual of RACE is RACE AND RACISM and we have to deal with them as they manifest themselves TODAY.
You cannot say there is no race when the concept was practiced for hundreds of years by Whites/Western Europeans; its practice became a culture or a significant component of the overall culture. You cannot wish racism away by saying there is no race. [most, including me, agrees with you] A culture doesn’t suddenly die because laws have been changed. As human beings, culture sustains us, whether through the language we speak, farming, herding, finance and other social rituals.
Whenever I hear this from a person who considers himself/herself “raceless,” I see a white person. I hear platitude, cluelessness and a person who isn’t even willing to listen to the effects racism has on the lives of peoples of colour (POC) – not to mention that that person even willing to try to eliminate them from his/her workaday life.
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Just so I’m clear Stefan, most of us know that the taxonomy of the so call “races” is bunk; nevertheless, racism is very much alive and well. Even as a child, I never subscribed to the concept of “race” and that was a long time ago.
However, we are now left with its legacy and it still has detrimental resonance on all of us – some more than others.
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Um, the fact that this blog post is still active and that it’s getting harder and harder to open as it takes a little longer to load is an indicator to how white people take criticism even if they are not individual targets. They come to defend their complacency with their bigotry and prejudice because their racial paranoia got the better of them. They really hate black people, and they want you to feel bad for being black and outspoken.
It’s sad that some people will try to find as many reasons as possible to hate, even resorting to making them up, but are too lazy and too comfortable not to love and show humanity.
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lol- I’m bi-racial asian style, Sharina, abagond and other like-minded sheep.. Half Korean and half Japanese,I’m sure I don’t have to post the miniscule numbers of ‘bad’ asians, do I? It’s about culture, community, honor, values and education that separates us from blacks. . If you had paid attention to my posts instead of arguing against the documented facts about violent crime and std’s ( an exercise in futility, btw) You will notice that I said that the black community has to fix itself. It’s no longer white peoples obligation to take care of you. You get more benefits and entitlements than any racial group in the world, yet you fail as a whole. Sure, you can google succesful people ( beyond sports, which is a joke ) but I’m talking about future generations, which if it continues on this path, will only lead to more failure.There is not one succesful black majority country in the world. Take a look at what happened to Rhodesia after it was turned over and into Zimbabwe. Tragic and telling.
Spin it anyways you want, put lipstick on that pig- whites fear you because of the violence, the demonize you because they don’t want to be blamed for your failure any longer and they look down on you because you’re always crying about racism, but they are smare enough to figure out that the biggest racists in the u.s. are blacks. You know it’s true.
These are facts. If you have sexual relationships with blacks you have a very, very high risk of catching std’s.If you are a victim of violent crime, there is a very good chance the perp is black, per capita.Blacks also have the lowest i.q.’s as well and resist education exampled by the ridiculous H.S. dropout rates If you want to talk about positive moves you can make to help your people escape this modern day slavery that american blacks are caught in, first you have to acknowledge theses truths. The fact is, that you’ve allowed the federal gov’t to destroy the black family by not resisting ‘minority status, handouts, entitlements, welfare, food stamps and every hustle there is to be had from the gov’t while 78% of black children do not have a live-in fathers for fear of losing the ‘benefits’….oh, never mind….. whatever. Whites look down on you for that stuff too. It’s not that hard to figure out……or is it?
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@ Tisa
Does it really even matter what you are? Only you are making a big deal about it as you kept saying that you were Korean American and now biracial (and who mentioned asian crimes?). As far as stats again something only you are arguing about. Almost all your posts are stats. You could not even calculate the per capita and you keep repeating it over and over again like you get it. LOL
“You will notice that I said that the black community has to fix itself”–You will notice that I said efforts have been made and are continuing to be made, so at this point you are simply back-peddling. http://www.africansuccess.org/
“You know it’s true.”–No it isn’t. You want it to be true but you are not white so how can you speak as to what they believe or think? Heck even the whites on this blog called you out to be a loon. Most blacks don’t even hate whites they just don’t trust them. I guess you can be a speaker for the racist though. They believe that bs.
You should take a class on causality and correlation. Then you might get a clue on why you are wrong. Wow can’t believe you are still making up stats. So pathetic, but not surprising.
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@ Tisa (continued)
“an exercise in futility, btw”—Not really because my goal is not to change your mind. I just enjoy watching you be wrong. It is funny and sad all in one because you will try and change the subject anytime you are wrong to something you believe you can win. Usually this results in trying to argue something that was not said or mentioned at all thus making a new category of information for you to be wrong in. While it is futile for you…it is entertainment for me.
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Sharina writes:
“You want it to be true but you are not white so how can you speak as to what they believe or think?”
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Yeah, that’s a good question. How does a half Korean / half Japanese “biracial” (?) person presume to speak for whites?! Or even for other Koreans or Japanese persons, for that matter?!
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Denial-not just a river in Africa….lol, what a hoot, this public display of collective Stockholm syndrome. Ignorance, refusal to face facts, race cards and assorted fantasies about the reality that you face. I haven’t argued on one point, just watching you make fools of yourselves with your heads in the sand. Oh well, it’s too easy to blame whites and everyone else for your soceital problems. rather than hold yourselves accountable, isn’t it? Why do you think asians can come to this country not speaking the language, no money in their pockets, yet we are always at the top of the class in schools, have the lowest crime rates and the highest percent of business owners per capita in the u,s,? Because we ‘get it” and are too honorable to take help from the gov’t. Blacks just don’t know how good they have it, they just want reparations and handouts while they whine for more. Good luck with that.
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@ Tisa
Wow. Stupidity at it’s finest ladies and gentleman. The proof is in your post. I will break it down for you.
1. You brought in your race, so who is playing the race card? No one cared or stated what you were and were not other than a racist and you don’t need to be white to be racist. Here is a few quotes from your post to remind you: “Oh and I’m 2nd generation Korean-American btw” “Half Korean and half Japanese.” Frankly I think you are white hiding behind an Asian persona, but whatever.
2. You argued crime stats (a few that actually did not exist). “Maybe it’s because 6% of the population ( adult black males) are responsible for 80% of violent crime in the US or 78% of rapes commited?”—the mere fact that you came back with more and more is an indication that you are arguing the validitiy of them (besides the fact that you kept repeating that). Here is a quote as proof to that “don’t want their children exposed to all of the validated stats I’ve provided.” What was there to deny? I don’t remember anyone denying your stats. I remember you being decietful and lying about certain things that I took it upon myself to correct. I stated to you several times on outreach programs and the like, so no one is in denial of the problems, but there has been improvement and effort (what you are denying).
3.”h well, it’s too easy to blame whites and everyone else for your soceital problems. rather than hold yourselves accountable, isn’t it?”—More proof of what you are trying to argue. Not all blacks blame whites (or other minorities for that matter) for their problems.
4.http://www.nytimes.com/1994/05/19/us/southeast-asians-highly-dependent-on-welfare-in-us.html. Completely debunks your theory of Asians not needing government assistance. Every race has. The free assistance you are arguing that blacks get is available to everyone not just blacks. So now you are trying to argue Asian stats when no one has an issue with Asians in here. Do you some how believe that arging asian achievements it will vindicate whites? Again with the changing the subject just to find a winnable argument.
Each post you make is simple deflection. You are simply just ignorant on a lot of matters and instead of owning up to it and learning you continue to repeat the ignorance. So you get proven wrong on something and you post again talking about something else. What is the point in that? Do you enjoy having people make you look like a moron? Is it easier hiding behind a computer? Even a white racist would not support you and if you wonder why…..actually read your posts.
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@ Abagond
I did not know you had us all held here as hostages and now we are defending you and expressing empathy and sympathy towards you. Darn that Stockholm syndrome LOL!!
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@ Sharina
Bwah-hah-hah!!!!
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@ Adeen
I found this site for you. http://www.blackentrepreneurprofile.com/successful-women/
Being young and in a racist town that tells you you are no good can be discouraging, but the success of blacks is out there. I think it is just too often hidden and covered up. The media and racist wants us to believe that blacks are a criminal race, but if you look hard enough you can find the truth.
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@Sharina
Thank you very much. I am originally from New York and when I moved to the small town, I was shocked. I never knew how racism worked until I moved down here. I saw racism in my home state of New York but not on the scale as I saw in Ocala. It was like I went back a century when I moved to NOcala. My mother moved here for a better life for me to live in. Yes I am living a much better life than in New York but I hate my town so much. I can’t wait until this upcoming fall because I become a senior and will graduate and move out of Ocala for good. I will go back to New York sooner or later after high school graduation. I wouldn’t ever move back to that town ever again and I wouldn’t tell anyone I came from that place either. Since I am a native New Yorker, I will always say I am a New Yorker.
I do have plans and aspirations to be a famous author/journalist one day. You are very encouraging me right now because I always feel discouraged and left out at school like I am invisible. I hope I become successful at what I do,
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Hey Adeen I’m originally from new york brooklyn ,what part are you from if I may ask?
Also sorry to hear about your bad experiences in that small town – if its not too painful could you give some examples of the racism you experienced or observed there?
I think its great that you aspire to be a famous author/journalist and I’m sure you will succeed as I can already see you have great potential.
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In regards to the continuous accusations of this blogger stating about a group
and being accused of referring to all when he meant some or most(should say most or define what percentage if possible in any future posts if relevant)
zero /none/complete absence of
a few – 1 to 10 percent
some – 1 to 20
many – 25 to 45
most the majority – 51 to 99
100/all/complete presence of
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Yeah maybe 50 years ago it was that way now days the black race is 1000 times more racist then white people I am so sick of hearing and seeing white people are after the black people when it’s the other way around!! Poor poor black people feel sorry for me get a life all they want is attition!!!! When a white person does something wrong they are the first to scream racist but white people can’t yell racist to them cause black people aren’t racist!!!!
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@MBeti
Sorry I didn’t responded sooner but in lived in Brooklyn but I was born in Manhattan. I moved to racist, small town in Florida, Ocala when I was eight years old and hate it. I have family up in New York still who want me to visit.
I hated Ocala because many of the White students were so rude to me and the Black people were so ignorant and ghetto, it is unreal. Plus these White girls bullied me in my freshmen of high school for being different and not acting like a stereotypical Black girl. Black students pretty much went along with them or laughed at me.
I know NYC is a great place for a journalist.
@Jason
Why don’t you go on Stormfront? How are Blacks more racist? I am not racist and I don’t hate Whites at all. Plus haven’t done anything horrible to Whites the way Whites have done to Blacks?
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@adeen
no need to apologize ,I knew you would respond when you had the time.
“I hated Ocala because many of the White students were so rude to me and the Black people were so ignorant and ghetto, it is unreal. Plus these White girls bullied me in my freshmen of high school for being different and not acting like a stereotypical Black girl. Black students pretty much went along with them or laughed at me. ”
I’m 50 years old and live in los angeles – but as far as everything else you said in that part of your comment – all I can say is a big BIG – me too.
Sometimes I don’t know who I despise more the white people that benefit or the black people that gleefully go along.
If it where not for you/us few who speak out and act out I would easily not care anything about any part of humanity – as it is I’m at the pitful state that when I hear of a disaster effecting some white people I don’t care and when I hear about some black youth getting profiled or killed by police – I remember how many insist on calling me ,you and themselves n—-ger, and will fight a man like me to the death at the drop of a hat to defend this – again I don’t care ,indeed I say good they went to deserved fate.
as to the jason’s etc
your young adeen and on this issue you may want to fight with passion and ideals but I may have learned that thier are limits not just to your ability but necessity as well,many are not even worthy of your anger or detain.
Be well and may you grow beyond bullies and other inferiors.
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@Mbeti
Thanks for your encouragement and you are right but it makes me upset because I have to battle racism my whole life as well as other minorities. I have faced so much racism living in Ocala, it is unreal so I am little biased against Whites.
I hope to become a famous author/journalist one day. I know it will be harder for me as a Black woman but I hope I could make it
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I have the true answer to your question and. The true reason whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks is because “they” know who black people really are. Blacks in America are the real Jews. If you know the Bible then you know the people they call Jews most certainly are not. Sorry I can’t go more into detail, time is precious. If you have a specific question please email me @ laylahlauree@gmail.com and I will answer as soon as I have a chance. They hate our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS “the REAL JESUS of the Bible and that is why they hate us the Bible tells us so.
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@Adeen
I think your biggest obstacle may be the anger and frustration you feel – if you ever succeed in resolving this ,I think it will make the greatest fame in any endeavor seem trivial in comparison.
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@adeen
You obviously can see the religious commenter right after your comment and before my latest reply – it reminds me of my harshness toward your religious views and how gracious you where and have been – And all the lessons I still have to learn.
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Hello, Can any one tell me why it is that such a large percentage of whites ( not just white Americans but Europeans, through the Caribbean, Latin America, Canada, etc) have and harbor this hate in their hearts for blacks in particular? I mean I know we have all had instances on the job or elsewhere where although Indians, Latinos, etc were present, whites were focused on Blacks in terms of hating!
As a black woman in my 30’s now, although I say “it is what it is” now more, I still wonder WHY. Why the hatred? Why do so many whites prefer to feel black men don’t like black women? Many of us black women have experienced diverse situations where the white men were trying to persuade black men NOT to like black women. I could never imagine black men doing that to white men/white women.
Also, why are many whites uncomfortable when blacks are friendly with each other on the job? Why in their hearts do many, not all, but a large percentage want to see us hurting, downtrodden, on the bottom of everything?
It’s not just an institutional, general thing either but as individuals from young to old behave like that. Thinking back I recall all the hateful looks and vibes on my college campus towards us although whites were the vast majority on campus.
Also, I thought most Brazilians thought it great how “diverse” their nation is. Many of the “brown” ones will say “we have asian, black, lots of mixes, etc” and smile. But about 5 times in the past few years when I met a White Brazilian ( all 5 of them were women) and they started bragging about being from Brazil. I mentioned “you have alot of people of african descent” and each time the white brazilian would make up their face in DISGUST and HATE. To me, I have to say “what the heck…?”
Another thing I know many of us have faced is where you come across a white person, even merely over the phone and they greet you with this disdain, ANGER, hate and resentment as if we’ve done something to the white race.
What’s really going on?
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1 black woman raped by a white man in the last 35 years. In 1985 alone 40,000 white women were raped & sexually assaulted by black men. That’s more than all the black women raped by white men in last 10,000 years and that was just one year and in america only. The other parts of the world are not included. Jesus told white people you will be hated above all others and if not for his return there would be none left alive. This hate goes all the way back to Genesis when God said he would put hatred between Eve’s seed & Satan’s seed. Adam & Eve were white. Strong’s #119: ‘adam (pronounced aw-dam’). to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy.
Satan’s seed was black. Olmec Heads in s. america, africa, egypt China had blacks there first & they were all in to “serpent” worship. The white man has always had God’s word in his hands & it was meant for him only. Every white nation on earth is being forced to mix with the brown & black races while the non-white races are allowed to have their own nations with no mixing going on. Arab nations for arabs, asian nations for asians, white nations for everyone! White people have turned from their God and he will soon use the other peoples to destroy us because of our whoring after strange flesh. God did not flood the earth to kill sinners. It was race mixing Gen 6:4. Noah & his family were the last few white people that were pure blooded and uncontaminated by the fallen angels. But the Nephilim returned after the flood so we read the key to prophesy “So it was in the days of Noah, so will it be when the Messiah returns”. That’s a world full of mixed white & blacks with few whites left. Race mixing is promoted in every white nation and only whites nations. Whites 100 years ago were over 30% of the worlds population and now it’s less than 10% and falling fast. Our genocide is coming quickly and the evil world that says Great White Satan LOVES it and looks forward to it and taking part in the wholesale rape and slaughter of white people. This is being set up by design and is no accident.
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^ People read this and realize what crazy looks like.
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@Joe Schmoe:
I always thought it was the white people who were direct descendants of ol’ Beelzebub! Take your chlorpromazine quick! That’s an order from Cthulhu!
Sincerely, Lillith, head she-demon in charge! Loon.
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@Gina
you pose a very interesting and important question.
what is it about the members of our species that due to geological environment factors are lacking significant quantities of melanin in their epidermis (primarily) that makes them appear to us to be far more aggressive particularly toward those groups that are phenotypically opposite them..
This variant of our species is the newest(most recent) grouping due inevitable migratory patterns northward.
One hypothesis I submit is that based on my own observations and supported by statements of others – the northern climate produces a phenotype that is atheistically subordinate to the equatorial based meleniated phenotype.
Also it would seem that it may produce a more aggressive strand of our species as well.
As one’s phenotype is currently a completely involuntary attribute (as well as components of one’s personality and temperament) it seems plausible that the primary way to deal with perceptions of inadequacy is to express hostility against the group that most exemplifies the traits that one’s own group lacks.
However to admit this consciously even to one’sself is probably not in one’s short term best interest or capacity.
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interesting Mbeti and yes they are hostile to us! I mean there are some white men on my job that come in angry and ready to attack ( like they have racial hostility which to me in sick).
I mean honestly how can you be angry because a persons skin color is different from yours? That’s sick!
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@Mbeti
Thanks for answering my replies and yes you are right about me being frustrated and angry. I have to live in a small, racist town full of racist, redneck and delusional mainly Caucasians and crazy, ghetto and uneducated Black people. Many of the people in that town treat me so badly, it is unreal.
It was a cultural shock when I moved to NOcala from NYC.
I want to be a journalist and leave NOcala for good. I hate it so much!
@Gina
The type of racism I experience is what I go through in NOcala going to school. Many White kids are in awe of how much smarter I am than they are and ridicule me for it. And the stupid, sellout Black kids go along with them.
Truth is, they hate us is because they are jealous of us. They have an inferiority complex
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inferiority complex? We’ve been oppressed for 500 years plus by them, when will they get over their “insecurity” jesus!
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@Gina
They do have an inferiority complex. They are jealous of our beautiful brown skin, features and how strong and brave we are. How could you see plain Jane White women get butt implants, tan, breast implants etc ? To look like us Black women. Plus they are envious of how well we age while many of the, start aging earlier than we do. Plus we are a strong race of people. We are still here after centuries of slavery and oppression that they have done to us. Trust me, most of them would have never survived what we have went through as a people.
I am a Black woman and I am proud of my race. We are strong and beautiful race unlike any other.
I don’t condone hating Whites but please Black people love yourself.
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Adeen, from the US to Latin America, even in the Caribbean, whites, through oppression, have been able to be on top and keep blacks down for the past how many hundreds of years. It’s like a bully having beat their victim to a pulp and the victim is bleeding, yet the bully is still “jealous” of his beaten down victim? That makes no sense to me. Indians, Asians, Hispanics are all beautiful people, as are we black people. Why is it that Whites are so focused and want to keep down blacks in particular? Not Asians or Hispanics or Indians but only Blacks? I don’t think it’s jealousy at all, but raw, psychotic hole-in-the-soul, hate!
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@adeen
Your welcome, I noticed your comments on many of abagond’s post and
what I find most interesting about your comments is that you seem to have reached some of the same conclusion I have ,specifically that its not just white’s that are racist but most blacks support them in their racism – this can be as painful if not more than the viciousness of whites ,for what does it mean when no matter what horrors whites have or will visit upon us – Most black people will support them in this.
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Gina, thanks for your input. We, as Blacks, are beautiful people but I don’t see why we are the main target of their hate though? What did we do to them that made them hate us so much?
MBeti, I love hearing from you. You are right that many Blacks side with Whites on racism and it isn’t right
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I’m just an average man who puts on his pants, goes to work, takes care of his family…but I have to say that you people have some serious problems. Lol…. People believe they are victims always need someone to blame….and you happen to live in a self proclaimed country of victims….. You blame me…I blame you…. I glad to see it in writing that you hate me for living… May the God you worship love you anyway…. As for me I’d rather just stay away from you….. Peace!
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Can you tell me how I can quote someone else’s text when I reply? For now I will just put your quote under my part.
This is a question we all have to ask ourselves. Even in my 30’s, I’ve accepted that it’s how things just are however the effort they put into us is mind-boggling. They act so obsessed with us, going from focusing on black men to attacking black women. I’ve talked about how white men often try to get black men not to like black women, right in front of our faces, or how they hate to hear anything good about black people, act homo with black men and on and on.
They don’t want us to like each other, be liked by anyone, get educated, get a job, like ourselves, so what on each do they want from us? To die off is the only alternative I can think of.
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@Greg
You don’t know the whole point of this forum and we don’t hate the existence of you guys. We hate what MANY Caucasians have done to Black people centuries ago.
Gina, this is coming from a Black woman but I am 18, sister to sister, the whole goal of White supremacy is to keep non Whites especially Black people down. Of course, they don’t want us to love each other. They don’t want us to stick together because they don’t want us to come together and knock down the system of White supremacy. Nothing is more dangerous to White supremacy than Blacks working together for a common good.
They want Black men to lust after and desire White women because they want to prove that White women are more desirable and beautiful than Black women, which we both know is NOT true. Many Whites degrade Black women because they want us Black women to feel that we aren’t wanted or desired. Part of White supremacy is uplifting and elevating the White woman ”on a pedestal” and epitome of beauty while degrading and disregarding the beauty of a Black woman.
And the issues of self hate and not liking ourselves can be connected to White supremacy and colorism, which is connected to White supremacy. Many Black people hate their dark skin, nose and lips and hair because they want to look like a White person. According to the media and White AmeriKKKlan, White features are beautiful and Black isn’t. Also many of our family members play into this as well as they prefer light skin members of the family over dark skin family members. If he liked ourselves, we wouldn’t buy into the image of beauty being a White woman with blond hair and blue eyes. And most of all, he wouldn’t trust Caucasians if he liked ourselves.
They don’t want us to get jobs because they prefer to hire their own White people than Blacks. It has been proven that White companies would hire a White person with a criminal record over a Black person with no criminal record. How messed up is that? Very messed up. That is why the Black unemployment has always been higher than White unemployment even when the economy is going well.
Many Whites want to see us down and last in economically, socially and politically. This was their goal for centuries.
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These posts represent some of the most bizarre thinking that I have ever encountered.
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[…] The Black family is a direct assault to White Power and white women are the greatest tool to destroy it. White people for centuries have had a hatred of Black people. Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks? « Abagond […]
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@Adeen
I don’t know if you’re still even reading this or if you’ll see it, but I was just reading along and then I saw that you live in Ocala, FL. That’s crazy! I grew up and went to school there too, and I agree with you a thousand percent- you HAVE to get the eff out of that town. Actually, you should really leave Florida altogether, because it really is a terrible place. I didn’t realize that until I left it, but I knew since I was a teenager that I needed to leave stupid Ocala. Honestly, it’s not like you will not deal with racism anywhere you go in America, but I guarantee you will not feel it so acutely elsewhere.
The thing about Ocala is that you will feel ostracized if you are the least bit different- they are SO narrow-minded. If they think you’re weird and don’t fit their narrow views of what you should be, you won’t fit in. And you shouldn’t want to! Because most of them are going nowhere and the ones that set their goals on success in Ocala are really just reaching for lame, pitiful goals. (And I’m not dissing your parents- my parents still live there too. But you’re young and sound smart, you can have so much more.)
So, definitely, keep your head down and eyes on the prize until you get free. The best of luck to you!
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I really can’t believe this backwards hilly billy ideology is still around. Yeah there are plenty of racist white people but there are just as many racist black people too!
We are not ashamed or lack confidence and your statements in them self make you a racist ..which is slightly ironic with what your trying to pitch. If the tables haven’t been turned yet they are certainly equal, I agree there are some aspects of society that harbor a resentment to black society but there are other aspects that favor you.
Granted you might have experienced quite fair share of racism where you live but so do white people, but the media (in Europe) is definitely protecting your side. Everyone I know Black, White and Asian have all been mugged, assaulted, insulted by black people. Yet nothing gets said when all around the Western world black people commit more crime. Yet all I hear is how one off incidents of white on black crime gets spread on the news, when all I have to do is walk the streets or talk to a few people and hear they got assaulted or mugged.
I can truly tell you now that a lot of resentment in the younger generation that you might experience is from normally having more than one negative experience with a specific population group and generalizing to the rest.
But its not a race thing its the culture attached that causes issues. So why don’t you focus on the negative gang culture that dominates a fair amount of young black society which in turn makes them less likely to succeed in life and generates further discrimination than instead of screaming oppression or the race card every time you come into a minor conflict with a non black.
Every race has been slaves at one point or another and it is a stain on my peoples history but in the last 30 years you’ve been getting your hands dirty and been looking the other way.
I really want things be equal but we have all work together.
And to the black woman who was moaning about how black people want lighten their features due to the ‘White Supremacist World’
Evolution 101: Everyone wants to look mixed race. The more varied gene pool the more attractive. White people tan, Black people lighten and straighten hair
You really were over thinking on that one
Regards
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@ Adeen ‘ We hate what MANY Caucasians have done to Black people centuries ago.’
Probably the most stupid comment of them all
I could badger on how English invaded Ireland a century ago or how the lighter skin Egyptians were slaves. Think of the present, digging up stuff in the past more then half century ago is pointless and only fuels stupidity for a future generation who had no idea what it was like in those times.
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RACISM IS THE PRESENT!
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Why go a century ago we can talk about now Tom. The Irish just had problems down in Australia do not think that your history does not add up. Because just like bricks, or a weak foundation, or the one rotten apple, it all builds up. The problem now is that the Irish did get tired of it and they rioted and were pretty much slaughtered in history. So did the Egyptians they were not passive so I would say that in modern day oppression we are going light. Still Tom because history is never used as a weapon go ahead as say one of the most stupidest things a person could let out of his mouth. Former History teacher and I am telling you history does matter.
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Examining the past only gives context but context is important. Whitewashing the past and therefore obscuring the context only serves to confuse marginalized people.
Nothing white people preach about how the people who experience racism are SUPPOSED to feel about it is intended to benefit racism’s victims. The quicker people realize that the quicker they’ll be free.
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@Tom and Amanda
Why are you even on here? I am not stupid. You guys are here to stir up trouble and make sure that we like you guys. Guess what, I am not going to kiss your ass any more!
Trolls like you make me sick.
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@Tom
Are you stupid? Many White people have done bad things to Black people centuries ago. Did you even study history? Not all White people were bad back then but many of them were.
Remember slavery?
Remember Jim Crow?
Remember the Holocaust?
The imperialism of India, Japan and other countries
Apartheid?
Stealing land from Mexico
Killing off Native Americans and Indigneous people and taking their land
I can go on and on about this but you would probably whine and complain that I am being racist. I am merely telling the truth.
I am for Whites and Blacks living together in peace as long as White people acknowledge how racism negatively affects Blacks and other minorities and try and dismantle the system/
@Abagond
Please I am sick of these stupid White trolls commenting on here. They get on my nerves. Why don’t you do something to make them stop coming on here.
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I thought Amanda was trying to cheer Adeen on and encourage her. What happened?
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Why do whites hate/demonize/fear or look down on blacks (&other non whites)?
I think that the beginning of an answer to that question can be extracted from that blog post (& the comments!):
White people lack empathy for brown people, brain research shows.
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@ Tom
You don’t know enough of the black community to conclude that our problem is predominantly gangs. Gangs are in all races, so what you are saying is one gang is more acceptable than another. If a problem is to be fixed then lets fix American culture.
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@Sharina
Tom is a stupid troll that made enough time in his trailer park to post his stupid comment. He doesn’t know what we face as a race of people in this country. We doesn’t know how it is like to be racially profiled and stereotyped because he is a White man with privilege.
Honestly I am sick of trolls like this coming on here.
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STOP TALKING TO THESE FUCKING PINKSKINS ABOUT RACE!
Whites do not have it in them to admit their error. They do not sympathize. They do not empathize. All they do is lie and kill. Their history is proof of that. Current events are proof of that. Their replies and responses on this blog and ALL OVER THE INTERNET are proof of that.
Look at them. They always resort to the same tired shit;
The “violent culture” meme – amazing as they are the ones who are the primary consumers of said culture, and the primary ones who pump drugs into low-income Black neighborhoods.
The “crime stats” lie — never taking into consideration the leniency that all white cops (and we all know there are no exceptions) and judges have on whites as opposed to Blacks.
And every other tactic listed on this blog.
They are disgusting, arrogant, filthy liars. And with the fuckin’ nerve to point out irrelevant shit, like Irish Slavery at the hands of Cromwell, as if…
Any white person is affected by it today; as if Europe is a populace-gutted, resource-robbed shadow of what it was before the Irish left.
Any other race came into Europe, sacked it, burned its libraries, and enslaved/bred war with it’s people to the tune of 100mil.
Stop arguing with them. They aren’t worth it. State facts and move on. Let these cunts’ heads explode trying to cook up rebuttals.
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Exactly why there is a racial divide here in America. You wont see this over seas. It is your thinking that’s the problem. Have you stepped out of the box (HOOD) and have interacted with whites? The problem is you are holding your self down with this train of thought which was passed down from parent to parent to that the white man is to blame for everything. If you knew history it was a black man who sold the slaves to the whites. If you like living in a dung hut someplace in Africa, by all means go there. You need to face the real problem in the US and that’s the Mexican take over. The Government is doing a good job by keeping race in the picture and distracting you from real problems. Have a look at the news and web and you will see they are winning at keeping the divide.
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@ Jonathan
I think people who make ignorant assumptions like you are the reason for racial divide. You assume that a man that holdd an ivy league school degree lives in the hood and has had no interactions with any white people. You went on to assume African live in dung huts and not to mention the wide assumption that his life revolves around tv. My and they wonder why racial divides exist….didn’t even have to watch tv to get the ignorance that causes it.
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Oh and I forgot the assumption that parents teach kids to hate the white man. Oh how dare they have individual experience s that teach them to acknowledge the hatred and racism of certain white men. Or just the ignorance of them as displayed by you Jonathan.
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There seems to be a lot of black racist people commenting on this site, all assuming black people are superior to whites.. The absurdity is unbelievable.A lot of white people dont hate black people but make racist comments in anger because it easily offends,If you are angry with someone, your not thinking properly, you just want to hurt the person who you are directing your anger. White people dont care about racism or weather you like white people or not,black peple do care and that sets them as a target
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@nick
For one you assume that all commenters are black. Secondly not “all” commenters said anything about being superior to whites, but it no longer seems to suprise me that even the slightest critique of white peiple translates to….”all” (insert ethnic group) are racist (believe they are superior to whites). Even when they are saying no such thing.
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The absurdity of Nick’s viewpoint is unbelievable.
WAIT . . .
I believe it. 😮
Anyhow,
there is a grain of lesson that we can take from his comment. Let’s not foam at the mouth when they come, but take re-control of the situation.
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u know what nick is right about one thing whites do say some racist things when they angry and I’ll add when they drunk. Kenneth chamberlain was killed by white cops who used the n word and they said it was their way of getting his attention. smh.
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There is some truth to what he says, but I question how much out of anger it is said vs deep feelings bubbling to the surface. Is it a show of how a person truly feels?
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Anyhow,
there is a grain of lesson that we can take from his comment.
Yes there is. The lesson I learned from Nick’s comment is this; one shouldn’t imbibe copious amounts of liquor and meth, with a spliff thrown in for good measure, and proceed to type.
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Why do blacks hate, demonize, fear and look down on whites?
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Why do rape victims hate, demonize, fear and look down on rapists?
Swapping words in such a way doesn’t absolve wrong doing and sure as hell doesn’t make unequal relationships equal but nice try.
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@ Mr Satan
Blacks in America have every reason to – the wonder is that they do not do that as much as you might expect. Most blacks think TOO HIGHLY of whites, if anything.
Whites, on the other hand, NOT being the wronged party, certainly not on the same scale, have no good reason. Thus my post.
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In studying history I’ve recognized why whites tend to demonize and hate blacks, it’s because they see black plights as a reflection of their heritage and past. Historically speaking, Medieval Europe was no different from modern Africa, for instance during Late roman period, Northern Europeans lived in ” Wattle and daub” huts, and were known to have gone about naked ( an overexaggerated stereotype of Africa) living a ” primitive ” lifestyle. Even during the middle ages, there was scientific unproductivity and superstition compared to other places like Song China or Islamic Golden age. There was Constant warfare with Feudalism ( A form of Gangsterism mixed with Warlords ) and absolutism ( similar to modern dictatorships). During the famine of 1315, Rape increased from its already common rates while the Vikings supposedly raped and pillaged the East in Europe and Norman areas. Many whites( not all) even criticize Africa’s Wars even though there is no African counterpart to the HUNDRED years war or hide the fact that Medieval European murder rate was 35 per 100000 ( compared to 17 per Modern Africa).
Even the economy was depressive, with the average English peasant ( the richest at the time) making 1000$ per year, which is Third world even by Third world/African standards. It took Europe 1000 years before it got out of the dark ages and created functional societies and for literacy levels to rise. With this being said, RARELY would you hear a non-white ever bring up white peoples problems and history but every problem from the Chinese cultural revolution, Arab spring, and of course African/Black problems are broadcasted from Toronto to Sydney. Im not saying the above things about white people make them ” inferior” because I could I easily bring up the “bads” of all other races but I’m just saying how hypocritical White minded people are. Its hard for the black communities (or any non-white community) to progress while always being reminded of their problems, with Western media fronting as if it doesn’t have no ” skeletons in the closet” as well.
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In addition to white minded hypocrisy, I criticize the Euro centricity of Academia.
One of the major things I hear from White supremacists is that Blacks are uncivilized ( despite them Whites living in the dark ages for 1000 years before themselves being ” Civilized” by foreign peoples ). Another is the belief that it was Europeans who entirely made the modern world. What allowed Europe to rise from the middle ages to the modern period was its adoption of foreign influences. This is not to deny credit where it’s due but to destroy the Euro centricity that exists. The reason Europe is “worshipped” is due to the rise of Modern technology and science in its land. Other than the Nazism of Eurocentrics, many things have been proposed for an explanation for the great divergence. The generally accepted theory is that the modern scientific method is what gave Europe ” its Technological impetus” and what allowed the formation and evolution of modern science ( hence the name).Surprisingly, the method does not come form Europe but was adopted from the Islamic golden age specifically Alhazen. Another example is the principles of Calculus and the Arabic Numerals (1,2.3) which arrived from southern India via the Middle east or Iberia. Yet, another example comes from China which gave Europe, The Printing movable type which allowed rapid intellectual growth and psychological changes towards technology and Guns/Rockets which allowed Europe to annihilate indigenous peoples it encountered. When Eurocentrics fail to take heed these influences, they create this mirage of supremacy which to them justifies racism. Rather than see the modern world as a product of interactions between Human cousins, they see it as a pillar which “they” should be worshipped because they “created” it. Many peoples like the Incans and Mayans were not able to contribute due to separation by oceans while others like SSA or Australia were ” blessed” with infertile environments separated by sea and sand. We should celebrate our achievements a s a species ( remembering are faults as well) and strive to make the future world but as so long academia lies or twists history, it seems we will continue to see our difference until we join the fossils of dinosaurs.
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Acurious Youngin
RARELY would you hear a non-white ever bring up white peoples problems and history ..
Are saying the crimes of National Socialists and the deleterious impact of Western Imperialism are discussed among POC..? Most of the leaders of Latin American countries have been heavy critics of US Imperialism (as are many authors and academics from Latin America..) Plenty of criticism by POC towards Western Imperialism and Africa. Scathing criticism (By politicians, academics, in the arts etc..) in Asia of Western Imperialism.
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^ I think that is one reason why we need to learn something other than English and Western European languages – to read what they are writing.
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This is different as all imperialist acts have been related to the peoples in question versus the things the west criticizes rarely has anything to do with the west( except maybe those of the Western World Black American community but even then in an indirect way).
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@ACurious Youngin
Stop with the drugs, man!
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^ Cute.. If you believe im wrong abut any of said things then do your own research libraries or online; you actually remind me of the fact that many white people refuse to acknowledge these things as if it just fell from the sky>
1.Tacitus and Julius Ceaser on Germania
2.Youtube ” Dark Ages”
3.Ruiz, Teofilo F. “Medieval Europe: Crisis and Renewal”. An Age of Crisis: Hunger
3.Siedenburg, Pieter, A History of Murder: Personal Violence in Europe from the Middle Ages to the Present
4. Ibn Fadlans account of ” Russ Vikings”
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@Abagond afff stop being so militant against white people, for your own safety.
To assume whites do this based on racism ( except for true evil rednecks: KKK, Aryan nation, Aryan brotherhood) Is the same as if I assume mostly blacks are evil for the evil manners of some black creeps.
Stop complaining about white people.
Those slavemasters, slave traders and slaves are dead, the conseqüences exists, but stop being so childish. The historical blame whitey is losing it’s force because of people using this excuse for all they do in their life (include things that isn’t white’s men doing!)
Now, excuse-me, my mother-in-law Bessy prepared some tasteful food (Yah she is black with self-steem enough to give up the historical excuse and to search justice when need. USA it’s ten times behind my copuntry when comes to stop racism!
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There are some Whites who are of the seed of Lucifer. These Whites were sired by 200 of the Fallen angels and Black women. Then there are The Whites who are of the seed of Noah who was born an Albino. In the Book of Enoch it is noted that Lamech said to his father Methuselah, “My wife has given birth to a son who does not look like one of us. He has white hair and white skin like that of the angels. Methuselah went to his father, Enoch, who is now residing with the Watchers (not part of the fallen angels) Enoch tells him that the child is an Albino (not a part of the fallen angels dna) He is to be named Noah. This is how the other set of White people came about thru one of Noahs sons. These Whites mated among themselves which sustained the White race. They had to leave the Black race because they were being killed for body parts for various reason. The White race mated within their families mostly..even to this day. The Fallen Angels children did the same but they were a fearless, barbaric race of Whites..The Titans..the kazars. They were destroyers, killers. They are of the seed of Lucifer..full of hate toward God’s seed. Their hate is an everlasting hate. On the 6th day God create male and female..one of these women is who Cain married…not a sister born later..not an ape as some theorizes. After the flood the fallen angels came back and did the same things as before(had sex with the women) Nephilims are on earth today and have been for a long time. The combustible humans is one of their signs. The very tall is another.
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@Mai7 give up this bullshit. Whites has not made by Lucifer.
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@Abagond Because blacks CAN BE RACIST!!! The past isn’t excuse to hate.
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@Abagond Thanks tribalism for the slavery of black people not only white men!
White men bought your ancestrals from the enemy tribes of your people!
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@ Mr Satan
I have one question…..what are you smoking?
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In Africa existed inter-tribal wars, the winner catch the defeated tribe ( or at least some) and make those defeated as slaves. They can sell the slaves to the moors, arabs, whites or to other blacks. Africa has and still have problems not created by white\arabs\moors. Tribalism is the obstacle to the african countries can be better. Tribecracy MUST be eliminated.
No I not smoke because of my lung problems (caused for years smoking tobacco cigarrtes).
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@ Mr. Satan
Here is a post that will clear up the mass confusion you seem to have. https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/africans-sold-their-own-people-as-slaves/#comments
To further clear it up. The reason I asked if you were smoking something is because:
“White men bought your ancestrals from the enemy tribes of your people!”—So one form of slavery for another does not excuse it nor does it absolve white men of their crimes.
“The past isn’t excuse to hate.”—Who said they hated anyone?
“To assume whites do this based on racism ( except for true evil rednecks: KKK, Aryan nation, Aryan brotherhood) Is the same as if I assume mostly blacks are evil for the evil manners of some black creeps.”—I will quote one thing from this post and let you decide if it means all whites or not “Why do many White Americans hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?” In the end a hit dog will holla.
“Yah she is black with self-steem enough to give up the historical excuse and to search justice when need.”—Has nothing to do with self-esteem but I will attribute that to poor choice of words.
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Now if you will excuse me I will go back to ignoring you like everyone else, but a word of advice…stop trying to be so desperate for attention. It is not flattering in the least.
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Why do whites, hate, demonize, and fear blacks? The ones who do are filled with fear, ignorance, and darkness. This is not all whites but the ones who do, this applies to them.
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The question is; Why do insane whites come to this blog to spew their garbage? Slow day at stormfront?
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Abagond what the heck happened to my post?
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Wait, wrong article. Forget what I said xD
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LOL. Any white person lecturing black people about ‘tribal warfare’ must know very little of the history of Europe. I’d forgive ignorance of the 100 years war, or 7 years war but you’d have to be living under a rock in hell not to not know about WWI and WWII or the wars fought between whites to establish the USA and keep it together. Some of these people are so deluded it’s almost sad.
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Mr Satan:
“@Abagond afff stop being so militant against white people, for your own safety.
To assume whites do this based on racism ( except for true evil rednecks: KKK, Aryan nation, Aryan brotherhood) Is the same as if I assume mostly blacks are evil for the evil manners of some black creeps.
Stop complaining about white people.
Those slavemasters, slave traders and slaves are dead, the conseqüences exists, but stop being so childish. The historical blame whitey is losing it’s force because of people using this excuse for all they do in their life (include things that isn’t white’s men doing!)
Now, excuse-me, my mother-in-law Bessy prepared some tasteful food (Yah she is black with self-steem enough to give up the historical excuse and to search justice when need. USA it’s ten times behind my copuntry when comes to stop racism!”
Translation: WAAAAHHHH!! Everyone is mean to me here *stomps foot and pout* I’m going away to stormfront, b/c they’re nicer and you guys stink *sticks out tongue* I bet…I bet, I’ll find cooler people to talk too *wipes tear* Me and my imaginary friend are leaving to make our own club and it’ll be…. super awesome and betterer than YOURS!!!! *Runs off with teddy bear*
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I may not know much about European or African history, but I know that Europe was no heaven. So, white people need to come off of that delusion that somehow Europe was better than Africa based on white supremacist propaganda that white people are better, especially when it comes to morals.
Of course, this is directed to a guy who calls himself “Mr. Satan”.
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Here is the real reason why So called “white people” hate “Blacks.”… Black people were enslaved for hundreds of years… HUNDREDS OF YEARS. During this time peoples minds were being molded in the thinking blacks are shit and whites RULE! BLACK children were born into slavery… can you imagine being 5 years old and learning that a white man hold your life in the palm of his hands and that you cant do shit about it. He rapes your mother and beats the shit out of your Dad and Mother and looks you in the eyes and tells you work them fields BOY. It got SO BAD for blacks, that white people had black people killing blacks. Well… this went on for HUNDREDS OF YEARS. Black people in America only recently got our civil rights… Its not like you can free the slaves today and tomorrow white people embrace us with open loving arms. White people are a work in progress… it may take 300 years to reduce racism in America.
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Here is something funny: When admitted racism becomes an even more important topic such as it is, then you will see that change in people Yes there are no more of those old slave trader, and such, as well as so what you have a black mother-in-law thanks to Mr. and Mrs. loving. Also never forget that as there are people who will never got over the slavery of their ancestors, there are people on the other end of that same argument which you so ignorantly choose to push aside.
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The fact of the matter is that most negroids are much more racist and hate filled and obsessed with race than the average Caucasian. That’s just the way it is. And when negroids are the criminal and Caucasians are the victims of crime as is nearly always the case, the negroid mentality is that whites deserve to be attacked. In the few cases where the Caucasian is the attacker and the negroid is the victim, the rest of the negroids are likely to blow everything out of proportion as if this sort of thing happens quite often.
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Sir, you should refer to ‘Caucasians’ as caucasoids.
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@ Robert Wayne
Since it is a fact then you should have no problem proving (opinions are not facts mind you though the amount of morons who think so is rising)
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Robert Wayne,
Remember, while you think that, Caucasians are committing crimes (violent crimes) against other Caucasians way more than your unfounded fear allows you to know. Just think about that. While you worry about black-on-white crime, white-on-white crime is happening in much larger doses.
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I cannot believe some of the comments on here. Try flipping the debate over to “Why do many black people want to live in white countries?”. As a non-American I look at the city of Detroit – from what I read – Detroit is ranked the most dangerous American city for the fourth year in a row – anyone like to guess why? Ask any other race of people (white, asian, latino, indian, arab etc) and they will all say the same thing – the black race is generally very aggressive and violent. Why don’t blacks just accept this truth? Blacks whine about whites, and whites whine about blacks. Nothing new there. How about this – why don’t the two races just live apart – and let each race get on with living in its own way – SEPARATELY.
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@TimeToRant
“Why do many black people want to live in white countries?”—The correct real question should be why whites want to live in black or non-white coutries? America was not originally a white country and is it me or is theflood of whites Iin predominantly black areas in Africa saying something.
Why do people like you constantly say stupid stuff?
Now if you will excuse me i must go rob a liquor store because you know how all blacks are. I need to catch up.
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Here are 2 reasons why whites should fear blacks:
Man hunted after punching young woman in the face in ‘shocking and unprovoked’ attack -London
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-hunted-after-punching-young-woman-in-the-face-in-shocking-and-unprovoked-attack-at-willesden-junction-train-station-8825889.html
Thug who knocked two women unconscious by punching them in random attacks is jailed
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2284264/Michael-Ayoade-Thug-knocked-women-unconscious-punching-random-attacks-jailed.html
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@TimeToRant
Sorry that is more proof you are ignorant. Although if I cared to make this a tit for tata I could find quite a few to match your two articles, but I don’t generalize awhole group when individuals do wrong. 🙂
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@Sharina
Oh yeah? Show me some of those numerous examples, where white men are attacking/raping black women on a regular basis. The statistics don’t lie – black on white crime far exceeds that of white on black. Even though the powers-that-be and the media do their best to cover up the facts. If you deny it’s true – then it’s you who are the ignorant one and totally deluded.
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@ TimeTo Rant
“Show me some of those numerous examples, where white men are attacking/raping black women on a regular basis.”—Your ignorance alone should not surprise me that you can’t read or you are just going off with failure to understand what you even put out their. I am free so I can do a break down.
This is what you stated:
“Here are 2 reasons why whites should fear blacks:
Man hunted after punching young woman in the face in ‘shocking and unprovoked’ attack -London
Thug who knocked two women unconscious by punching them in random attacks is jailed”
Now I am not sure if you understand what a tit for tat is but a tit for tat would require I proved links to something similar not something esculated. Get it Got Good.
“The statistics don’t lie – black on white crime far exceeds that of white on black.”—Actually they do to an extent. As stats only report from agency that are willing to report and reporting are not from all agencies. So while I won’t say they flat out lie I will say they hide a lot of information.
Here is link to fbi hate crimes http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2011/narratives/offenders though they actually mean little or nothing to me.
“Even though the powers-that-be and the media do their best to cover up the facts”—They do but then again I don’t pay them any attention, but people like you tend to believe them when they say what you like and deny them when they say what you don’t like.
“If you deny it’s true – then it’s you who are the ignorant one and totally deluded.”—I could deny the moon and stars and still manage to be nowhere near as ignorant and deluded as you. I mean look the proof is in your posts how off you are.
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escalated*
I am sure I can guess what rebut you are going to have.
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And another thing TimeToRant. In order for this debate to be remotely constructive it would require you learn to read. Reading is key and if you can not comprehend the simply statements I said above then you will sadly fall on your face during the more complex one. So here is a few things you need to take into account.
1. You stated “Show me some of those numerous examples”—I never made claim to numerous examples. I said “quite a few to match your two articles”
2. I stated “Although if I cared to make this a tit for tata I could find quite a few to match your two articles, but I don’t generalize awhole group when individuals do wrong.” Meaning if I want to I will and if I don’t then I don’t have to. I mean if you could find those two articles then I am sure you can find other instances if you wanted to, but I am guessing your goal was confirmation bias.
3. “white men are attacking/raping black women”—Was someone raped in those articles?
4. You stated “regular basis.” Now you do realize your two articles would not suffice in a tit for tat as regular basis. You would need atleast a once every 3 days of articles for a month to solidify a request for that one.
I hope you get the jist.
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@sharina
From what you’ve written, it seems I’m responding to someone who was born in the 1990’s – i.e. you’re still a little ‘wet behind the ears’- in other words – you’re still a bit of a kid. This will be my last response then – kiddo. (Btw – I’ve been reading before you were even born – thanks). Just because I haven’t engaged in what you call a ‘tit-for-tat’ and responded in a way that fits within your bizarre rules of online debating – you respond with condescending BS.
When I wrote “Show me some of those numerous examples, where white men are attacking/raping black women on a regular basis.” – I was EXPANDING on the overall topic. In your online world – you seem incapable of understanding this simple concept.
It’s true – that the news-links I posted did not involve rape. BUT In the UK – black males are ALSO raping or sexually assaulting white women in particular – on a regular basis (regular means – that such crimes will be reported in the media on a weekly basis where the suspect is described as black. Then you have the reports of actual convictions as a result of a court case- where the gory details emerge. i.e. mug-shot of guilty black rapist or rapists – yes there has been a growing culture of black gang-rape in the UK. Oh did I mention, the majority of the victims are white women). Any time there is a reported gang-rape in a UK city – you can bet the perpetrators are all black, and the victim is not black.
That FBI hate-crimes link you posted – I had a quick glance. You said the stats they mean nothing to you. The report states: of the known 5,731 hate-crime offenders in 2011: 59 percent were white and 20.9 percent were black. This is what they mean to me: Black people make up around 13% of the US population (according to census records) which is nearly 1/8th of the population. So according to these stats, they were responsible for 1/5th of hate crimes despite being only 1/8th of the population as a whole.
Then you have to factor-in the issue of when these crimes are committed by African-Americans are they actually interpreted by the police as ‘hate-crimes’ in modern America? Are African-American ‘hate-crimes’ taken as seriously by the authorities and mass media when compared to white hate crimes. Are African-Americans ‘capable of being racist’ or are they always the ‘victims’?
I suspect not – and that there exists a double-standard. A black can say ‘honky’ or ‘cracker’ with impunity, but if a white says the ‘n-word’ – you’ve got a riot on your hands. Am I right? Over and out.
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@ TimeToRant
While you may have being reading longer than I, you stopped short of actual comprehension. So I guess your last response is more of a run before you make a fool of yourself attempt more than anything else. Anyway,
“Just because I haven’t engaged in what you call a ‘tit-for-tat’ and responded in a way that fits within your bizarre rules of online debating – you respond with condescending BS.”—Actually you were engaging in nothing more than tit for tat. I fear you have no idea what it means which is why you went on the defense here. Anytime you bring in links and then require someone bring in something similar then you are attempting a tit for tat. In this case you brought in what blacks did and then wanted me to show something whites did. While it would be more than fun to do this…it is not actual debating. It is a “I know you are but what am I.” Quite childish in fact. Also I stated clearly I am not ignorant enough to judge a person on what one person on their group does.
“I was EXPANDING on the overall topic. In your online world – you seem incapable of understanding this simple concept.”—You pulled that out of your azz. In order for you to expand on the topic you would have to first be on topic. Instead you wanted on and on about blacks.
“It’s true – that the news-links I posted did not involve rape. BUT In the UK – black males are ALSO raping or sexually assaulting white women in particular – on a regular basis (regular means – that such crimes will be reported in the media on a weekly basis where the suspect is described as black.”—Yet you can not provide links of this “regular basis” occurrence? Taking the subject to the UK won’t save you either (post was on USA).
“Oh did I mention, the majority of the victims are white women). Any time there is a reported gang-rape in a UK city – you can bet the perpetrators are all black, and the victim is not black.”—More you talk about but can’t prove.
“Then you have to factor-in the issue of when these crimes are committed by African-Americans are they actually interpreted by the police as ‘hate-crimes’ in modern America?”—The same can be said for a white person. You can only determine a hate crime once you prove the individual is a hot tempered racist. So….what is your point?
“I suspect not – and that there exists a double-standard. A black can say ‘honky’ or ‘cracker’ with impunity, but if a white says the ‘n-word’ – you’ve got a riot on your hands. Am I right?”—n-word is used more often then people realize and please do tell me how many riots have happened? Oh that right? Riots are only what certain white people believe will happen. Yea get out because you had nothing to begin with.
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The problem with TimeToRant is that he doesn’t know that he doesn’t know. His old head is filled with cobwebs, half-rotten theories, and misunderstood statistics. TimeToRant really needs, above all else, TimeToThink. He doesn’t yet understand how truly exhausting it would be just going through and correcting his plethora of errors, bad assumptions, and 7th grade logic.
(Sigh)
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Still not excuse to hate white people!
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@ Mr. Devil
“Still not excuse to hate white people!”—I think you meant “still not reason to hate white people!”
Secondly I don’t hate white people I hate or rather dislike ignorant whites. Big…major difference.
Lastly who in hell loves admire or even respects someone that treats them like dirt? So for the people who hate whites that act like that towards them….so be it.
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@King
If I were in the 7th grade, I’d really be offended at your (logic) comment…
*Pre-school* or perhaps *kindergarten* logic might be more appropriate.
🙂
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You’re right Matari.
My sincerest apologies to 7th graders for the implied insult.
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I am so sick of these White trolls on here spewing their ignorant, racist crap thinking that they know everything about us. They make me sick. These trolls always prove my logic about White people: They hate and envy us at the same time. Also they are obsessed with us yet they fear us. Honestly I think these people are one sick group of people. I am glad I am not them.
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King,
On second thought, I’ve probably did the same injustice to pre-schoolers and kindergarteners! 😦
Even little people deserve more respect. lol
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Claiming that ‘honky’, ‘redneck’, ‘cracker’ etc are comparable to the N-word is one of the more stupid and disingenuous things I see crop up in arguments.
It’s not the words per se, it is the history and the context that make it impossible for them to be equivalent to the N-word. Anyone claiming otherwise is either ignorant, having failed to think it through properly, or is just feigning injury/offence for dishonest, rhetorical purposes.
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@TimeToRant
As I recall, they didn’t get much choice originally.
And which are the “white” countries? Outside of Europe I think you’ll find that historically we stole most of them from the other races who lived there first.
Well, I’m white and even I don’t get why someone should accept it as truth just because you say that is what all other races would say. Have you carried out the research? I don’t recall seeing it published anywhere.
If it wasn’t for racist a$$holes there would be no need to live apart. Personally, I prefer living together. I appreciate that many contributors here feel differently.
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There is considerable hatred of whites among some readers. They don’t post on the threads I am interested in though. The most base and animalistic are those who oppose interracial relationships. They are projecting their own romantic inadequacies onto their racial identity. That’s disturbing to me. It’s regressive.
At the same time there are enlightening posts, thus I stick around. And anyway, there’s no more anti white hatred here than anti black hatred on other sites.
I tend to look at people heavily racialized identities with pity. No one who has to fall back on his or her race likely has too much to offer. Certainly if they are threatened by my dating black and Asian women.
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Might want to be cautious with that pity there. It could be seen as implying that you feel superior.
If you’re a white person (pardon me if I infer incorrectly) then some might just be suspicious of your motives in dating PoC. It is not always an agenda-free choice.
That said, I am glad that there are some happy interracial relationships. Personally I see it as an optimistic and positive thing as long both partners are in it for honest reasons – hopefully race is way down the list.
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Right again Matari…. hmmm perhaps I should have made the comparison to rodents… or maybe bacteria?
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@ Asplund: Comment deleted for use of a racial slur.
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I find time to rant’s rant pretty interesting…
Where I live in Massachusetts it’s almost the opposite. Most sexual battery are committed by methed up white guys. Although most crime around here generally goes unreported, regardless of the type, be it sexual, drugs or violent. There may be statistics to back this up, but I’ll look for it later for the sake of debate. But its pretty much a rule of thumb to not be around Quincy, Medford, and Somerville at night. So I guess its regional. And that’s not to say that there aren’t black crimes because there are, also black rapes. But generally sex crimes around here are by whites or the recent wave of MS13 gang members(idk where the hell they came from all of a sudden, but they be raping shit up..seriously) so I do think its a regional thing. Also in more predominantly black neighborhoods in boston, most crimes are robberies, and drug dealings. Again, that’s not to say black folks up here don’t commit sex crimes, because they do. It’s just generally a white crime tbh. So like if you hear about crime up here, we don’t really worry about the race of the assailant because the nature of crime usually gives it away. If something gets shot up or a drug deal gone wrong..we know who did it lol. Just as if there’s a sex crime up here we pretty much assume its a white guy or them ms13 kids. So I really think its a regional thing.
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@ Asplund
“The most base and animalistic are those who oppose interracial relationships.”—Who said anything about interracial relationships on this thread? I think you are projecting your feelings of inadequacy on readers who may feel this way. It is their opinion and they are entitled to it and I think it does not make them any more “base or animalistic” than you who has given them such a cruel title because they don’t agree with it.
“And anyway, there’s no more anti white hatred here than anti black hatred on other sites.”—Disagree. N-word is a common word used on anti-black sites like stormfront. You get your post deleted for any type of racial slurs here.
“Certainly if they are threatened by my dating black and Asian women.”—No one is. Did not read a comment that said they were on this particular thread, but then again I do feel that you are once again projecting some inadequacies. If not then I don’t see the need for your constant rant on dating black or Asian women. If that is what you like then go for it. I know plenty of people who do and you are not some special case.
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@ King
“Right again Matari…. hmmm perhaps I should have made the comparison to rodents… or maybe bacteria?”—Hey! I find rodents quite intelligent. Put him in a category of his own. Somewhere below bacteria.
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@Rick Buddhuu
In a sense I took Asplund to say that those that disagree with interracial marriages are beneath him. I take it the same as I do with those who disagree. To each his own. The mere fact that he was on flaunt mode tells me he is inadequate in some aspects. You don’t need to flaunt if you are happy and ok. Especially on a thread where I have yet to read talks on interracial relationships.
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I didn’t think that was a racial slur. I didn’t use it as such. I was referring to people of all raves by using it. I’ll use the term ” morlocks” instead, and again I’m talking about all races here.
Sharina – this is the first time I’ve ever commented on interracial relationships on this blog. I think you have me confused with someone else?
I’m not really seeing how I have feelings of inadequacy, since I’m all about freeing up dating in terms of competition. But whatever. People opposed to interracial dating are primitive. They feel threatened and their baser urges take over.
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@ Asplund
I don’t have you confused with anyone because I never said you did. I was saying why are you even bringing it up on this thread (and you are the one who is bringing it up)
“I’m not really seeing how I have feelings of inadequacy, since I’m all about freeing up dating in terms of competition. “—Just because you are about “free up dating in terms of competition” does not mean you are not projecting inadequacies. Anytime you resort to this type of baseless name calling (People opposed to interracial dating are primitive) it tells me that this is more true for you than them.
“They feel threatened and their baser urges take over.”—More of your own projections. For starters…why does it even matter how they feel? You are happy and living your life so it should not matter right? Yet you chose to paint them as feeling a certain way when frankly you don’t know what way they feel or don’t feel. This could though come from your own inner feelings in regards to them and perhaps interracial dating.
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Sharina-
My feeling I adequate is just a bunch of baseless shaming language. In with a sweet, beautiful Nigerian chick right now. No reason to feel inadequate there.
Even if I was “projecting” or trying to make up for low self-esteem, if dissent change the fact that people who are that clannish are frightened if the competition. Keep in mind here I am not talking about people who simply prefer their own race. I’m talking about say fir example an Asian man hostile to interracial relationships between asian women and white men, or some insecure white nerd threatened by a black man dating a white woman. That’s pathetic to me.
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OFF TOPIC: interracial relationships, unless you can relate it to the original post.
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I meant it as a passing comment demonstrating how there were folks on here with string anti-white prejudice, akin to anti- black prejudice on other sites, which several posters above me were debating.
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@ Asplund
And anti-white prejudice was on-topic how?
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@Asplund
“My feeling I adequate is just a bunch of baseless shaming language”—If you read what you wrote then you would realize how quickly it is not. If you are not inadequate individual then you would have no need to make claims along the line of people that are against interracial relationships are xyz. Also you blew it open when you had to announce who or what type of woman you are dating (A sign that you feel announcing this will make you more believable or such). So but the adequate don’t rely on I am dating such and such to solidify a claim.
“Even if I was “projecting” or trying to make up for low self-esteem, if dissent change the fact that people who are that clannish are frightened if the competition.”—If is not an option if it wasn’t so thus you are. You idea of fact and opinion are two different things. Because you do not know what these individuals feel and why you can’t make the claim that it is a fact and thus have made your argument invalid.
” I’m talking about say fir example an Asian man hostile to interracial relationships between asian women and white men, or some insecure white nerd threatened by a black man dating a white woman. That’s pathetic to me.”—Not sure if I believe you as if this was the type of people you were refering to because if it was you could have elaborated above.
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@Asplund
This blog is not about hatred of Whites. This blog is for Black people and others to discuss the issues in the world that matter to them. Yes many of the issues on this site is related to Black Americans because the author of this blog is a Black man. And honestly as a Black woman, I come on here to talk to Blacks and other people about the issues that matter to me the most.
This blog is not about hatred of White people at all.
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Sharina,
just to let you know… you were right about Naijagirl being an imposter.
I made a comment about Asplund on the “Spanish Thread” and NaijaGirl came on to comment, was talking in first person as though she was Asplund.
Then Asplund tried to play it off as if NaijaGirl answered for him by accident.
My comment to mussandrad, Mbeti:
“White western historians and teachers (Asplund) choose to whiten the “players” coming out of Africa that actually participated in Europe’s history”
NaijaGirl responds to the comment:
“Naija Girl
Linda-
How have I “whitened” them? I merely described their “whitening” of themselves through marriage with Visigoths, which they did not me.”
So, you and the other posters indeed smelled a rat… Good catch.
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I knew it. its funny how he tried to play it off as if his girl had his computer last smh. they always slip up eventually.
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sounds like some xprae type thing, oh no I’m a black female now I’m a white male, now i’m … dismissed. rofl
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I told you something was quite amiss about Naija girl, Jada Poo1 mentioned as well.
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Abagond,
For one, some people using it as a rebuttal to the text in the post. Secondly, large numbers of posters were commenting on it when I entered the thread. I was just going with the flow. If I’m “derailing” you have the power to delete any said posts. It’s not like I’m combative about that.
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i think irr’s are relevant to this thread currently in that sotomayor and his imitators are going on about weaves and ratchet behavior etc etc and it is really causing turmoil amongst black people because you know i don’t just read about all that here even
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@V8driver
I am glad you noticed fools like Tommy Sotomayor dividing our community and promoting hatred of Black women in this country. And you really are a White man? I was expecting a Black man to post what you posted.
I guess you disproved my belief about White men and I am saying this as a Black woman
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As for me being some kind of nefarious weirdo-
1. I’ve been posting long before my girl.
2. I showed her this site because I enjoy reading it and she has difficulty with some of the issues discussed.
3. My posts are damn near dissertations. I don’t know why I’d go to the trouble to do whatever it is you said I’ve done. I’ve never been bested in an argument here, so why would I need some kind of weird handle? I will tell her not to post here anymore. I looked back over the posts and no one was particularly nice to her. She said someone called her a bitch.
I was the first person to comment on my posting under her name, Look at the timing of the thread.
Finally, it WOULDN’T MATTER EVEN IF IT WAS ME, my argument was rock-solid in every thread I’ve been in. Damn.
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@Adeen So you’re saying I need hate Arabs, Moors, Berbers, Huns, vikings, romans and mongols for what they done to the ancestors of white people?
LOL!!!!:D
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(bold emphasis mine).
Sharina nailed it.
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@adeen firstly i am touched. really. couple things though i have been kinda of seeing your struggles here (and being a little afraid to comment on some things you said because well a lot of times there is nothing i could really say around here i know that very well) we are all here i think to struggle with the difficult issue of ‘race’ and identity and stuff but we are all human but the simple fact remains some people ie racists are going to find something to latch onto to avoid dealing with their own inadequacies or insecurities and it is a shallow and inimical way to deal with life but it will only change if the younger ones learn how to overcome that nonsense
second i want to get in head of this one i think i just committed plagiarism to wit:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/123505037742352/permalink/520037238089128/
uh well it just popped into my head and i was going back over my feed and saw this post from earlier so it resonated, for sure, i have been watching sotomayor closely he came up just after that sweet brown mess with the memes or whatever.
his message is so clouded, i just can’t really see any type of consistency, there is a ‘clowning’ (his term) subtext to his videos that he posts like the hoodrats beating each other up or their kids etc etc then he turns around and says white people are clowning on black women on tv and so forth, so idk my own head is a mess.
my friends are pretty much all black, i don’t really hang out with white people, and it is making me feel some type of way that acceptance you know i couldn’t get from my ‘own’… especially the family, you know the hood life isn’t easy but i feel it was easier for me to integrate fully into the black neighborhood than it would be for a black dude to pop into a white neighborhood, i mean i experienced like maybe two overt instances of someone mouthin off about me being white in over a year, i know that would not be the same in the reverse situation you know that too, im’ sure.
i am approacing something resembling sobriety and well when i first came here i was a nut just posting drunk all the time and so forth, with several true nervous breakdowns recorded for posterity! but i am able to really well a. see the good in most people (not all) and that has gotten me trapped in some very unstable and unfriendly relationships but b. it is the aggravating factor of substance abuse in 99.9% of them that was causing the problem, not because of the interracial issue.
it’s been said a lot here too lately about what is mental health and what is crime and where is the dividing line, it doesn’t matter too much when they just lock you up. I am really on that in terms of a philisophical abstraction, not sure if i can articulate it better, it’s sort of a preliminary rumination thing.
and yeah that’s my picture, never had a tan. my fb thingie is on my avatar tag, it’s public.
and i sympathize? empathize? the black women always take a lot of pounding if they get a check they’re this that and the third or a career woman who is never home, like that is specific to that demographic. it’s not.
sorry this is a little disjointed just wanted to respond, not really in ‘professional writing’ mode, thanks.
-tc
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@ Sharina: You always nail it.
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@v8driver: Admire your courage for being transparent and sharing your journey.
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well you know what good is keepin it in and just getting all mad and frustrated that’s whats wrong with most everybody i find
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🙂
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Rick-
I’m living the idea that I have feelings of “inadequacy.” First of all I only discussed my own personal life AFTER a bunch of bs shaming language that was an irrelevant ad hominem.
Not one ad hominem out of my mouth and yet I’m always “derailing ” it’s like when all these folks say that Sotomayor had been to jail. Red Herrings and ad hominems.
It’s vulgar among learned people to be tribalistic and zealous fir some backwards notion of racial purity.
Again, nobody nailed a damn thing but me.
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@Linda
I will say good catch indeed as the interaction with said individual openned my eyes to somethings. Though it is sad that people resort to such tactics to be credible. Then complain about being called out on their inadequecies.
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@ Mary and Rick
Thank you. I do try.
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@ Asplund
Man up and stop whining. You were on an off topic rant (calling other people names I might add) and then have the nerve to complain about someone pointing out something they noticed about you.
I told you to a T why I felt you were inadequate and you proved me to a T to be right. So what is your problem? So you can stop with the false red herring and ad hominems accusations.
Oh and the only thing you nailed was your head to a wall. Sit down. I would hate for your masscara to run on the computer screen.
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Sharina-
Let me clear up this matter for you with facts rather than a bunch of emotional nonsense.
1. People who are opposed to interracial relationships are bigots.
2. My being opposed to bigotry isn’t a sign of inadequacy. Its a sufn of character. That’s just you using the same kind of bullshit shaming language as your whole “man up” spiel. Did you know I also live in my mother’s basement and have small penis?
You haven’t massacred a damn thing except for any semblance you possessing reason. You accuse me of inadequacy. I demonstrate I’d have no reason to feel inadequate. Yet that is somehow even more of a sign that in inadequate.
Stick to the facts sweetie. You don’t know anything about me.
People who are opposed to interracial relationships are clannish bigots.
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To continue-
How does my talking about my relationship make me “inadequate” somehow. I’m proud of the beautiful women I hang around. First of all what does anyone even mean by “inadequate?” That needs a little bit of definition. According to Sharina, criticizing someone else for any reason whatsoever, morality be damned, is a sign of inadequacy. That’s arguing like a five year old. Jesus Christ I didn’t think that kind of irrational arguing still existed on the net in 2013!
And Linda what does my girl posting on here have to do with anything? How exactly does that affect my arguments? I’m just curious.
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@Asplund
ROFL! Epic fail!
1. That is not a fact bit rather your opinio (there is a difference).
2. Your right it is a sign of your character. Your inadequate character. Lol. Oh and you might want to look into what is considered shaming. You did that by calling people who don’t agree with IR names of the lowest kind (as if that will change minds). By the way more projection in the small penis mother basement comments (I never said you were or thought it).
Learn the difference between facts and opinion. You are so far from fact you could not find it on a map. 🙂
I thought I said masscara? I don’t condone violence…more projection perhaps?
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Correction* bit should be but and opinion.
One more nail in your coffin is that…well. ..I am not against interracial marriages. I am simply against people trying to push how theyfeel onto others a bd uaing moron logic as justification.
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Sharina-
I’m replying but in the interracial thread, so as not to have my post deleted. You can check it there.
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Asplund
because I know you are lurking.
“According to Sharina, criticizing someone else for any reason whatsoever, morality be damned, is a sign of inadequacy.”—Nope that is not according to me but to you. See comment above to read why I said you are and in detail what you presented to me as a sign you are.
I think it is fair to not only add you are inadequate, but delusional as well. 🙂
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I think this post needs more space for its comment section. Racist trolls are losing their minds over this post, and it’s getting slower and slower for it to load.
Forgive me for being behind on the latest assault perpetrated by those who want to defend the false sense of white honor, but anti-white prejudice is nowhere near as painful as anti-white prejudice. White people have numerous outlets that will relieve their guilt and sadness for their bigotry. Black people mostly have to somewhat go it alone.
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@Mary Burrell- we were right about Naija Girl! I knew it was only matter of time. I told everyone she was not a “Naija Girl”. The way “she” was talking was TOTALLY OFF!!?
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@v8driver
Interesting post. I hope things are better for you now.
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i dont mean to sound bitter but ‘better’ would introduce a concept of duality, anyway my driver license is restored and i’m out of jail and i escaped the girl who was being mean and decided she had enough chances on the downside i’m stuck in the sticks in new jersey with no car but that is weak compared to my hustle, thanks.
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all that happy crap zen stuff aboud being happy by yourslef, about yourself well that leaves me a little cold but truly one must face ones own demons and that is not gonna happen if you just hatin based on some phenotype or concept of other and well there you go
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@v8Driver
I appreciate your comment. I am only eighteen years so I am fairly young. I do admit that I am wary of White people and I don’t trust them much. I never show it in my actions because I don’t want to be outed as a racist. I live in a small, town and most of the White people in my town are very racist. I also have been treated badly by some of them so I have to be careful around them. And as a young, Black female, my bad experiences with your people as well as the way many Whites treat Black people in past and present has led me to be careful around them and not fully trust them.
Yes I hope I don’t sound like a bigot to you but I can’t help being a little biased against White people based on the way they treated me and oppressed my people for centuries. I want to make a huge impact on the world but I feel like my bias is in the way.
I really hope I don’t sound like a bigot to you. I just want to come clean and be upfront with another White person on the issue of racism. You sound more tolerant than 80% of the Whites who live in my town.
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@adeen i wasn’t wanting to make it worse know what i mean? i know you’re goin through it, i read most of the comments here.
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Adeen
I have read on many of the posts from you that as a teenage person with a Jamaican heritage you have experienced racism in the town that you moved to from New York. The way you write reminds me a lot of my teenage niece 🙂
Can I ask, how this racism manifests itself? I guess I am trying to get an idea of context. My partner attendeded school from the 70’s to the 80’s and endured physical and verbal abuse. By your age the experiences she described were what I would expect of people perhaps from a couple of decades before and certainly not in the U.K!!! When we see people there is a reminder too as we grew up in the town. It is weird for her seeing people as adults who physically and mentally scarred her. One had the audacity to greet her like an old friend! I cant believe also that it was males who did this attacking and that they were not pulled up on it.
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i think sotomayor is going for a ‘shock jock’ approach, i told him he aint howard stern the other day also that i’m trying to stick up for him, here, but he is not helping me or himself, again this is just nuts, i am going to try to go through this to some degree…
https://www.facebook.com/groups/123505037742352/permalink/520629774696541/
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Blacks are the most racist people. The creator of this article is a racist idiot.
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huh. sotomayor is coming out on this thread now,
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@Tina
Blacks can’t be racist. The oppressed can’t oppress the oppressor.
@V8Driver
I know that you aren’t trying to make it worse. You come off as a decent person and rather tolerant. Nice to hear from a tolerant White person
@Omnipresent
The racism in my area is mostly subtle however it does become overt sometimes. The way most Whites smile in my face, I know they think less of me. And the way they use political correctness to cover up their racism and say that Blacks are inferior….priceless, I know how they really view Blacks. And the way they act like you are an exceptional Black person because you can read and write well…..well they really can’t believe that they found a smart Black person. And the way they touch my hair when I get my hair done. And the way they ask you stupid questions about my race too.
White girls in my ninth grade bullied me and I don’t know what they had against me. Even these days the girls at the table act stereotypical with me. I can’t wait to graduate in the Spring and leave to this place for good. It is a horrible place for any minority to live in. I want to be a writer so I want to go back to NYC.
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Adeen
I hope you find happiness in NYC.
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@ Adeen: This is just my personal opinion, but I feel when you leave that town you live in things will be better. There was a young woman who was a frequent commenter on this blog. She lived in that very same town you reside in now. She was a young white woman from the U.K. she was lesbian. The way she described the town,it just sounds like a small mined bigoted town that doesn’t tolerate much of anything. So when you go back to NYC, I think you will have a better attitude and see the world with a fresh new pair of eyes.
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@ Tina: You seem very angry. Did you take time to read the entire thread post. Have you really in your heart of hearts taken the time to think and do self reflection and introspection? Maybe perhaps you yourself have some prejudice against non white individuals. Before you make such an unfair blanket statement against all black people. Maybe this is how you feel personally against people different from you. Can you be perfectly honest with yourself?
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@Mary Burrell
I want to go back to NYC and start a career as a writer and do two years at a community college to get a degree in journalism. I do hope to find a group of Black people who think like me with whom I can discuss race with.
In a way, my bad experiences with White people scarred me so I don’t really trust them or like being around them. Maybe that will change but for now, I feel like that. I don’t like it but I really do.
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@mary burrell
A lot of times with those pop up to vent people I roll my eyes and think…cry me a river.
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@ Sharina: I think you may be right.
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I want to go back to NYC and start a career as a writer and do two years at a community college to get a degree in journalism.
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Please consider looking into getting a 4 year / Bachelor’s degree, and possibly a Master’s. Just a thought.
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It is probably because of all of the crime that blacks commit. There are so many vocal black racists and white people aren’t as stupid as you seem to think they are. If they encounter enough black racists, then obviously they aren’t going to like blacks, which is perfectly normal.
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“…..white people aren’t as stupid as you seem to think they are. If they encounter enough black racists, then obviously they aren’t going to like blacks, …”
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@ Mr. Bawls
Slavery supposedly ended around 1865, then came the Black Codes, Lynching, Jim Crow, Race Riots, and the black expulsion from all white communities/counties in what’s now referred to as Sundown Towns all across Amerikkka — all happening before the Civil Rights movement circa 1960.
So WHEN, exactly, to your way of thinking did black Americans in our 400 plus years of living here become “racists?”
Your sage answer will also provide me with the knowledge of when black people began systematically depriving large amounts of white folks of their basic human rights, civil/social liberties, unfair/unequal justice, fair housing, equal access to employment and education, and so on.
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‘Rick Bawls’, an appropriate moniker you whingeing SOS. As for white people not being as stupid as we think they are, you act as proof that they are, STFU.
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Matari, slavery was abolished in the United Stated 150 years ago and you certainly were never a slave and neither were your parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents. Other groups have been on the receiving end of discrimination generations ago and they overcame it. Also, only something like 4.8% of the southern whites even owned slaves, so it is absurd of you to blame the entire white race for slavery which ended so long ago. [See http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm%5D Read the article I linked – a surprising number of free blacks also owned slaves in the South, although I bet you’ll give a free pass.
Do you think it is fair for whites to stereotype blacks when they have been victims of crimes committed by blacks or were effectively discriminated by blacks in terms of applying to schools or for jobs, where blacks receive race-based Affirmative Action handouts? If you think that is unfair and racist, how is that any different from the way blacks view whites for slavery that ended 150 years ago? And don’t forget, a lot of whites died fighting for the North during the Civil War.
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uh if you look at this dude’s name even it is rather offensive why bother with that
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*applause for Matari* Well said. Some people are clueless, bringing up strawman arguments and studies in hypothetical reasoning instead of facts. I love how he says, “well some Blacks owned slaves too”. Like the handful of Black slave owners negates over 400 years of en masse institutionalized racism. From what rock do some of these people come from….or rather what cave. Troglodytes. You can take the caveman out of the cave but not the cave out of the caveman. I stopped coming to this blog in earnest because Abagond allows these people to spew their rhetorical bulls*it and constantly derail the posts. These people make my bile rise. Looks like mother nature is sick of them too…because their numbers aren’t looking too good. Thank god. I don’t think the Earth or humanity can take much more of them. The Universe can and will balance itself out.
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@ Rick bawls
I would first like to make you aware your link does not work.
Secondly Free slaves actually brought family members or those they had some attachment to. Those they could find I would imagine. I tend to believe they pulled together to free as many as possible.
“Do you think it is fair for whites to stereotype blacks when they have been victims of crimes committed by blacks or were effectively discriminated by blacks in terms of applying to schools or for jobs, where blacks receive race-based Affirmative Action handouts?”—Please do enlighten us on what blacks are getting that whites are not? Affirmative Action does not just benefit blacks. It benefits white women, it benefits the disable, it benefits any minority. Get a grip. That type of stereotyping is for the ignorant (which I prefer to separate myself from)
“And don’t forget, a lot of whites died fighting for the North during the Civil War.”—Do you still hold on to the idea that the Civil War was about ending slavery? That was simply a afterthought.
Now because I have made it clear that I choose not to interact with the ignorant. I will ignore you from this point on.
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“[…] a surprising number of free blacks also owned slaves in the South, although I bet you’ll give a free pass.”
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A surprising number of those free Blacks also held as “slaves” their own relatives! It wasn’t uncommon for free Blacks to hold their own relatives as slaves after paying off or ‘purchasing’ them from white slaveholders. These purchased relatives were, in essence treated as “free” human beings as long as they were apart of the household of the family members who ‘bought’ them.
If I were a free person of color and had the financial wherewithal to pay the ransom to take, as a slaveholding Black person, my relatives under my wing to protect them, I would most certainly have done so!
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R Bawls,
Still waiting for an answer to:
So WHEN, exactly, to your way of thinking did black Americans in our 400 plus years of living here become “racists?”
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~Darqbeauty
Thank you.
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Sharina you beat me by a few second!
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*seconds*
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A surprising number of those free Blacks also held as “slaves” their own relatives! It wasn’t uncommon for free Blacks to hold their own relatives as slaves after paying off or ‘purchasing’ them from white slaveholders. These purchased relatives were, in essence treated as “free” human beings as long as they were apart of the household of the family members who ‘bought’ them.
Yes that was more common than what you read in the ‘history books’. My ancestress and two youngest children were ‘purchased’ by her older brother who managed to accumulate some land and wealth. He purchased and manumitted as many of his relatives as he could afford to. He was not able to purchase her two older teenage boys( I suspect it was because they were in their prime as workers), so they aided them in escaping to Canada. I suspect that this was quite common but isn’t remarked upon in many of the history books.
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@ Pay It Forward
lol.
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everyone needs to check out realhistoryww.com. it gets down to the bottom of the history of race and black/white relations.
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Sharina, white women do not benefit from Affirmative Action programs! Those programs are designed to give unqualified black people handouts based solely on skin color.
Matari, blacks have been very racist since I have been alive. I grew up and attended a high school that was only about 10% black, but I witnessed many black kids messing with white kids simply because those kids were white. You can call that typical hazing if you want, but when it is a bunch of black kids messing with white kids, I would call that racist.
I have been to movie theaters where black people yelled out “kill that white bitch” during a horror movie, and I would also label that as racist. If a white person were to yell out “kill that black bitch,” there is little doubt that black people would consider that racist and would likely beat or even murder the white person.
In any major city it is also very, very common for black criminal to choose white victims. There were a number of reported incidents of groups of racist black youths ganging up to mug whites or Asians in several major cities over the past few years, including a number in Chicago, for example.
Black people are likely becoming more and more racist with each successive generation because they have learned that racism pays off for them. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have done quite a bit to promote racism within the black community and have been rewarded with many handouts over the years. Remember the 1992 LA Riots where blood-thirsty black criminals viciously attacked White and Asian drivers simply because of the color of their skin? How about the 1995 OJ Simpson case where blacks around the country celebrated and carried on when OJ Simpson was set free by a biased jury after murdering his white ex-wife? If OJ had been white, he definitely would have been convicted.
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Rick Bawls,
1. Every nonpartisan report I’ve seen has explicitly said that white women have been the biggest benefactors of affirmative action since its inception.
2. Do you think black people placed in certain positions or careers didn’t earn it and got there solely by affirmative action?
3. Black kids messing with white kids is nowhere near as impactful as white supremacist societies being racist against Blacks all over the world. So, your attempt to play the reverse racism card is futile, because all you’re doing is describing schoolyard bullying, not oppression.
4. I question your moments regarding black behavior. I wonder if you’re not making it up to illustrate black racism.
5. If you are being serious about those moments, they do not define the entire group. In case you didn’t get the memo, black people are not a monolith, nor do the kinds you describe occupy much of the whole Black American population.
6. Not the ‘black-on-white crime’. You guys love to be paranoid against black people as a whole, and don’t bother to truly wonder why.
7. Racism has always paid off on behalf of rich white men, the same rich white men many whites idolize and follow even though those guys would play them faster than the Nintendo WiiU.
8. If you think for a moment that white people are now the oppressed race in America, you need to wake up and stop being so scared of black people. Why not grow what your last name suggests?
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@gmad
That article is not real history. It is a peace done by an individual who strung together information to fit into their conspiracy theory.
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@ Rick Bawls
“Sharina, white women do not benefit from Affirmative Action programs! Those programs are designed to give unqualified black people handouts based solely on skin color”—If you are still stuck on that delusion then you really need to sit down and read through the program thoroughly. Here is a link to start.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/affirmative-action/
You can do any web search to find more. Pay close attention to the part where it mentions women as a primary beneficiary of this. So while you are worried about the one black man or hispanic that might have gotten the job because of it. You pay no attention to the several white women that might have gotten it because of it as well.
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Another article to add
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I will be honest in my attempt to answer the question. This is probably going to get me crucified but it will be informative as to a white person’s POV.
Hate
I think only a small portion of whites have actual hatred for blacks. Maybe less than 10%. Among those who do, that hatred usually stems from the same place as blacks who have hatred for whites. Abuse, assault, mistreatment, etc. One example I can think of is the bikers in NY who assaulted a motorist with his wife and child in the car. The two adults in that car will no doubt harbor some hatred for blacks because of what happened. Same thing with relatives of lynching victims. A lot of hatred there. But I don’t think most whites and blacks have actual hatred for one another. Not by a long shot.
Demonize
I think the demonization that both blacks and whites give each other comes from the same place. A frustration of not being able to see each other’s point of view. Whites see themselves as letting go of power and sharing it with blacks. When blacks don’t show signs of going along with this process, whites see them as fundamentally broken people. Just like blacks get angry when whites don’t recognize the difficulties they face growing up in inner city areas. I realize not all do. I’m not saying “all.”
Fear
I think this is the most rational aspect of prejudice. I don’t think most whites fear most blacks in general, but most whites fear most black males 14-35, because of a fear of assault, robbery, etc. It’s sad, but for those who have those fears, they can always find examples of whites beaten, robbed, etc. A white person encountering a black male 14-35 is like a black person encountering a 6’10” klansmen in rural Georgia. There’s a history of assault and murder there in the minds of many.
I’ll give a perfect example. I remember going to see Freddy vs. Jason as a teenager. The theater-goers were about half and half white and black. I was the only Asian and I went with a group of whites. MANY of the black theater-goers were being extremely loud, yelling out at the top of their lungs about stabbing white girls, even throwing popcorn. It was very disruptive and disrespectful to the movie-goers who wanted to hear the dialogue. One of my friends wanted to ask them to quiet down. He said he would ask politely but I begged him not to. He went ahead and asked them if they could “please keep it down.” I know he did because I heard it. At the end of the night, I had security walk us out because a large number of the black movie-goers had threatened us, even threatening our lives. I was afraid of them and I think my fear was justified. There are plenty of instances of whites and Asians not fearing blacks and being beaten and murdered, like the Vietnamese man in St. Louis killed by black “youths” playing “knockout game.” I don’t fear middle aged black men or black children. But teens and young adult males definitely. I back down from black females when they get super angry because I have a prejudice that when a black person gets going on irrational attack mode, there’s zero chance of talking them down. I remember a guy threatened to fight me once because I accidentally walked in front of him. I didn’t see him. I was raised to have respect for others so I don’t disrespect on purpose. I know he has probably had a bad life but he had no right to go that far, threatening to kill me even!
Look Down on Blacks
This comes from low educational achievement and disruptive behavior in schools. My parents came from China, fleeing the cultural revolution as young people. We didn’t have anything and I went to school in Oakland, CA for a year. The vast majority of the black students had zero respect for the teacher, even though she was black herself, and they beat me and the two black boys who were my friends, just because we were smart and “nerdy.” I doubt they have done much with their lives since.
I hate that I have these prejudices, but I do have them, and in some instances I think they serve a purpose. They protect little old me from pounding. So apologies to everyone. Hope no offense here. I am not talking about present company, just the ruffians.
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@Meng Tzu
I will respond to you later but I will leave with saying thank you for your honesty in your experiences and being respectful. I greatly appreciate that.
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Meng..yes, thanks for your sharing..
I was intimidated and threatened by black guys …white guys too…brown guys too
Who helped me with black guys, was other black guys…I always saw it as guys who messed with me , who happened to be black…I had too many black freinds to just think the people who messed with me represented black people
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@ Kiwi
“How on Earth is it that an Asian is trying to speak from white people’s POV?”–Awesome catch.
@Meng Tzu
What kiwi pointed out holds truth. How can you (a non-white person) know or speak for a white persons set of mind?
“Maybe less than 10%”—Though I see hate as a strong word…I doubt it is that low when we speak in regards to prejudice or bigotry.
In your section on fear I have to wonder to what level of truth that holds. I have been around blacks that fit into the category you are speaking of and never had not one say anything along the lines of killing me. They may look angry or threaten to fight but never kill. Angry looks yes, but beyond that nothing. I have experienced the same with whites by the way.
Here is an example. A black woman was beaten in a cracker barrel by a white male who nearly knocked her daughter over as he pushed the door open. The woman made a response asking him to be careful in which he proceeded to beat her in front of her daughter and other white onlookers (none helped the woman). A white man did testify against her in court saying she spit on the man. A white woman did testify for her of the assault.
“There are plenty of instances of whites and Asians not fearing blacks and being beaten and murdered, like the Vietnamese man in St. Louis killed by black “youths” playing “knockout game”–If there are so many then provide those if you don’t mind. I will provide others of cases of white assault. Other than my example.
Basically I get that because of your experience that is a justification in a sense for behavior to treat all blacks the same. Which I will be frank and call it bs and plain ignorance. Cop out even.
I’m black and was bullied by blacks, but I never used that as some type of excuse to hate or dislike all blacks. I like people as I meet them (regardless of skin color). If a person is to weak minded for that and need excuses to justify their ignorance then the question becomes…who has the real issues?
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boo on comment in moderation.
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you stats are bs until it is a verifiable news agency(ies) not in the pocket of the government with E5’s on site etc etc to vet stuff. please *headache*
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@meng tzu are you chinese?
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well from that perspective i think south korea doin ok business wise hyundai samsun htc etc
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oh man wrong thread idk sorry
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“Matari, blacks have been very racist since I have been alive. I grew up and attended a high school that was only about 10% black, but I witnessed many black kids messing with white kids simply because those kids were white. You can call that typical hazing if you want, but when it is a bunch of black kids messing with white kids, I would call that racist.”
“I have been to movie theaters where black people yelled out “kill that white bitch” during a horror movie, and I would also label that as racist. If a white person were to yell out “kill that black bitch,” there is little doubt that black people would consider that racist and would likely beat or even murder the white person.”
“Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have done quite a bit to promote racism within the black community and have been rewarded with many handouts over the years. Remember the 1992 LA Riots where blood-thirsty black criminals viciously attacked White and Asian drivers simply because of the color of their skin?”
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@ Rick Bawls
I’m feeling right now like I’m in a Twilight Zone episode, or a Star Trek space/time continuum void stuck in an event horizon where the same exact sequence is repeated again and again until the captain and crew figures out a way to escape the temporal anomaly. My point? Here WE GO AGAIN… it just never stops.
Even the Broken Record Dept can’t stop this ceaseless influx of white people with the same old tire, and deluded – white gaze, white lens, white racial frame. Such is whiteness. When you’re a card carrying member of the WHITE CLUB, it’s virtually impossible to break free of delusion, and what the REAL differences are between RACISM and REACTIONS TO RACISM.
RACISM & REACTIONS TO RACISM ARE NOT THE SAME.
Let me say it again this way: RACISM is not the same thing as bigotry, prejudice, weariness, bullying, hatred, violence and so forth! Last time I checked, black people never had the power of the law, or money, or politics to force oppression, violence on white people universally/collectively.
And get away with it!
Nope… I’m not playing your bullshit game using twisted logic, words and appalling fake sentimentality that attempts to describe black REACTIONS to WHITE RACISM as RACISM. It is not. It’s not even close.
Listen closely, though I really suspect you and millions of your brethren cannot understand this: Black people can’t be racists!
When you can show me when blacks have wielded the POWER needed to displace, lynch, rape, shoot, murder and deny housing, employment, education, justice, financial opportunities and so on to millions of white people at large – AND GET AWAY WITH IT … then and only then will I reconsider my stance on whether blacks can be racists.
We had to deal with white-supremacy/RACISM since day One.
There’s a corresponding BLACK back-lash to 400 plus years of white RACISM,( a RACISM, I’ll remind you) that did not have to be.
I suggest you deal with this backlash.
You want the backlash to end?
I’d urge you to convince your fellow WHITE club members to cease being Racists!
Finally, here’s a little question for you, Bawls. If you care to answer it.
Why do white people construe hearing the TRUTH from black folks about what/how white people do as hateful?
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It’s with some trepidation that I post this. I don’t want to be misunderstood and I may be stating the obvious. On the other hand, I may be posting something that will annoy. I really hope not.
Also, I’m aware that what I have to say focuses on the semantics and doesn’t address the reaction-to-racism aspect. I do get that part and I totally accept that what a lot of whites would call racism is, indeed, reaction to racism. What I want to address, though, is simple misunderstanding of terms.
As Matari correctly says, white people crop up here again and again complaining that PoC are racist. Part of the problem is semantic: most white people are simply unaware of the racism=power+prejudice equation. Our default understanding is racism=race-based prejudice. That is what I was taught in my English schools and, as far as I’m aware, it’s what most whites here understand.
It honestly took me several visits here to grasp the racism=prejudice+power definition. The first few times I read people here asserting that black people cannot be racist I kind of scratched my head. I thought, How can that be true? I’ve seen it.
I’ve known and worked with just a couple of black people whom I had considered racist. One hated white, Indian and Pakistani people, while the other guy just hated whites but was fine with Asian people. In my head at that time (maybe 15 or 20 years back) the word in my head for those guys was “racist”. Until I read this blog I still thought that was just the word that described all racial hatred/prejudice.
I think that most UK whites would say the same. I kind of assumed that the same would true of UK black people. I assumed that if they had a different definition I would have heard it, but I stand corrected. I found the following on a UK newspaper website: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9221047/Black-people-cannot-be-racist-says-former-Ken-Livingstone-aide.html.
It is absolutely appropriate for there to be different terms for simple(?) prejudice/hatred and for supremacist, privileged, power-wielding prejudice. I also think it would be good if more white people were aware of the racism=prejudice+power definition. It would avoid a lot of confusion and arguing at cross purposes because I really think that a lot of people don’t realise that white people and black people mean different things by the same term.
For my part, I get it and I’ve taken it on board. Even if I do encounter racial prejudice from black people against others (which I don’t) I will try to avoid thinking in terms of racism and try instead to use alternative descriptions. I’ll try to explain it to other whites too. In fact, I think the potential for misunderstanding is large enough to make it worthwhile blogging on the subject.
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@ Rick Buddhuu
I tend to agree with the following statement ” racism=race-based prejudice.” As I glimpse at other blogs and listen to the white posters that come to the blog I begin to realize that perhaps they are not aware of what is meant by racism.
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@Sharina
Why are you defending this troll?
He is wrong on race relations like most Whites. They either get defensive and try to gear the conversation towards other topics or outright deny our struggles with racism.They don’t understand our struggles and mistake us for preferring our own race as racism. Most people prefer their own race and ethnic background.
Plus Black people can’t be racist because the oppressed can’t oppress the oppressors. It doesn’t go that way. If you and this Rick Budhha troll, whatever his stupid name is, think that Blacks can be racist…well good for you! Anyways we are living in reality and the reality is Black people are the marginalized and oppressed. Racism is racism=power+prejudice because that is how White supremacy operates. White supremacy is a system that gives White people privileges and benefits much to the disadvantage of Blacks, Asians, Indians etc because of their White skin and power. And White supremacy is global and worldwide.
Yes, White people are our oppressors and enemies. They have lynched, murdered, oppressed, marginalized, beaten, enslaved Blacks, Native Indians and stole land from Native Americans and many others. I would like to think that White people is the enemy of mankind, which I think they are, but in reality all of mankind hates Black people more than anything.
We shouldn’t engage in conversations with race with Whites on here unless they are B.R. or a few ”Liberal” Whites but please don’t talk to the White trolls. They don’t understand or get it and will never get it. White people are too warped up in their false sense of pride and ego to care what POC think yet they think about us enough to go on our websites and blogs. These people truly make me sick.
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they’re the most hateful no good STUPIDASS FUCKING RACIST PEOPLE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD!
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@Adeen
What troll was I defending? Believe it or bot some whites actually don’t go by the same idea of racism we do. This is based simply on my observation. You have to realize that they were fed the lie too. While some are aware, not all arr.
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On top of that I don’t remember saying anything about blacks being racist etc. I quoted what I agreed on and left it at that.
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” Believe it or not some whites actually don’t go by the same idea of racism we do. ”
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It could also be said that ALL black people DON’T agree on the same definition of *RACISM.* (Even here on this blog..)
But I guess differences are what makes the world go ’round … or so they say.
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@Sharina
I thought you were defending that troll. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Anyways you are right that Whites and Blacks don’t have the same definition of racism. We actually go through racism while White Americans only have the meaning of the word in their heads and penetrate racist behavior because of their racist nature. They don’t understand us and never will.
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“I have been to movie theaters where black people yelled out “kill that white bitch” during a horror movie”
Bahwhahwa rofl. well maybe if the white chicks would stop tripping over everything in the horror movie they wouldn’t be killed. I root for the woman to escape but when she keeps tripping over stuff i’m just like smh u gonna get killed take off the heels and run, oh great now she done twisted her ankle yep she dead. Oh but don’t worry a white person always survives to the end of the movie so cheer up.
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@Adeen.
I didn’t say that blacks can be racist. I tried to explain how some of us (white people) start off not understanding the situation, but eventually see the point that is repeatedly made here. I was explaining the default (mistaken) perception of “racism” that we white people have to overcome before we understand why black people cannot be racist.
I thought I had made it clear that I do now understand and that I support the position that black people cannot be racist.
What I don’t get is why you would call me a troll.
No matter. I obviously don’t have what it takes to express myself in a way that doesn’t piss people off here. That has never been my intention and I apologise for having done so.
I wish you all well, but there’s little point in my butting in if I can’t earn trust through being honest (and trying to be respectful at the same time). I’ll quit bothering you all.
Peace.
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Há ha , its your delivery , Rick , it throws people , it threw me , cmon, hang in there , like I said , everyone gets knocked down on the feild in discussions about race issues…
It took me a second to get Matari , also, and then it clicked in . Matari is a great example of the varied nuances in positions on these subjects , át. The same time having a no nonescence position with white people and their naiveness about their racism and wraping themselves in their whiteness
Thanks, Adeen, I did always think black people werent benig racist to defend against white racism . Its like how can you be racist peddling backwards in defence
I also distinguish hating what whites have fone from being racist , they are differant things
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For what it’s worth, which is probably not much, here’s my own blog post on the Racist terminology thing:
http://www.buddhuu.com/can-black-people-racist/
I don’t expect that is any clearer than my failed attempt above. I know my writing is verbose and long-winded. I can’t help it, I over-think stuff and that’s reflected in my style.
I’ll continue to read this blog – It’s too useful a resource to abandon – but I’ll stay out of the discussions so as not to derail stuff by causing misunderstandings.
Thanks.
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Buddhu , again, you haved to remember, there are , what, 50 to 100, if even that, people posting on here , who are all individuals , with individual opinions, which form pockets of agreement…
Why would you be discouraged posting because a couple of people disagreed with you, sometimes to an extreme degree? Just because Adeen feels one way about you , you are still having a conversation with Sharina…you seem to be atributing some people’s opinions to a group , or to the whole suposed collective opinion on this blog…Ive been called a racist on here…I laugh at that, but fighting negative opinions on Afro Brazilian booty dancing is what makes me want to leave…haha go figure
You cant really come on here as a white person and say ‘look at me, Im ok, Im not like the racists, you can accept me..” there are some people like Truthbetold, who just dont want to speak to white people (even if they still read white people’s books) , but that isnt how all people feel here
Dont be like the white people here who come in with good intentions, get muffed or rebuffed at some point , and , decide to leave…too frustrated by having to deal with that hard core feeling in the pit of their stomach, that black people have to carry with them all the time in a racist white society
Adeen is a sharp minded young black lady , very attractive also, I might add, from seeing her pictures when she brought them in…she is living in a very down situation for an intelligant attractive black woman, anything a few miles north of South Beach in Florida, is running into “whiteness” in its full blown american version
Adeen is discovering how to find her place in this racist world, and you can see her mind working on it and making adjustments as she goes…I cant blame her for some of her views…and , Malcolm X is a great example of a person who was always in motion with his views…he changed some of his views middway in his life…
this is the nature of dealing with race issues…and its not easy
Ill tell you too, Ive butted heads big time on here with people, and Ive learned something from each of these people , about things that didnt relate to the subject Im disagreeing with them on….Sondis, TojanPam, Sam, Kwamla, Bulanik,Solesearch Linda etc…Ive had major disagreements with them, but , Ive also learned things from them outside our disagreements…and if they are truly listening, they can learn major things from me also
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@ Rick
Adeen lives in Florida, one of the more racist parts of America. Among other things it gave us:
and the Rosewood Massacre.
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B.R. and Abagond.
I’m very grateful to you both for taking the trouble to respond to me,
Please don’t misunderstand, my withdrawal is no petulant tantrum. I think this is a great place and I intend to keep reading. I do think that I lack the knack of putting my points across in a way that people can follow. My style is long-winded. I’d rather read the discussions than confuse and derail them.
I’m very happy to have my opinions challenged. In fact I rely on it. The problem is that people are challenging an opinion or position that I do not hold. The fault is mine for not making myself clear.
I am not angry at Adeen, as I have said, the fault for any misunderstanding lies in my obscure style. I have read many of Adeen’s posts and I have a great deal of respect for her, her opinions and the experiences that have shaped them. She is an eloquent and fiery young lady – I’d have to be crazy to deliberately offend her! I think directed anger is a powerful tool for change and I hope she continues to stand in strong opposition to the crap she sees going on around her.
I remain an ally, whether I’m wanted or not! LOL. I’m not leaving in a sulk (or even leaving). Just saving my hot air and noise.
Thanks again.
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@Rick Buddhu
I respect your opinion although you don’t see it the way that I see it. Maybe I misread your post, who knows. Anyways I do respect your opinions. Sorry if I called you a troll, I was being way too harsh on you.
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Matari
Very true.
@ Everyone
Aside from what Abagond mention what Adeen deals with in Florida is a very toxic situation and after my visit to Florida I understand fully why. Whites there and rude plain and simple. The only nice whites I met were people who were out of town and visiting like me. I avoided engaging them (and usually I am kind to everyone and speak as I pass). If I wanted kindness or some type of respect I turned to hispanics, Asians, or those of carribean descent.
I was lucky to meet two nice whites in the same day. If you wanted nice whites you had to meet them at disney world parks (most who were out of towners).
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@B.R. and Abagond
Thanks for explaining to him about my views. I appreciate it. 🙂
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@Adeen.
Thanks. No apology necessary; the misunderstanding was my fault.
Peace.
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@Sharina and everyone
That is how it is where I live in my small town. Most of the Whites in my town are very racist and rude. I was bullied by White girls in my 9th grade year. It really changed my perspective and race and Whites in general. I started visiting Abagond in the tenth grade and commenting. So far, this blog has helped me with situations that relate to race in my young life so far.
I plan on moving back to NYC after I graduate this Spring but deep down, I know I will always deal with racism. My experiences in Florida has made me stronger in a way and made me deal with any oncoming racism I will have to deal with with courage and strength.
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@ Rick Buddhuu
While this statement might seem honourable and respectful on your part. It could also be seen as weak, a cop out, superficial and of someone less than interested….
In my view its not about your style of writing its about your honestly expressed words and thoughts. We can all pick up on these (even on blogs) and make our own judgements as to whether these are spoken from a place of heartfelt sincerity or not.
Something of which even BR has spoken to. Many people here, including myself, might not agree with all of the views he expresses. But none of them would doubt his expressed passion for African/Black and disaporic cultural music, particularly drum rhythms and evident knowledge in this area.
To me its an obvious example of you choosing to exercise your “white privilege”. You can choose to opt in and out of conversations of racism as you so choose because it doesn’t really affect you.
This is precisely what “white trolls” can and do on this blog when they feel like it. X-prat-non-serious being a primary example of this. Who if I am not mistaken, at one point, you seemed to be in agreement with on some issues?
But allow me to give you some credit in making, what seems like, an honest attempt (in your own blog) to come to terms with the paradoxical argument of anyone Black or white exhibiting acts of racism. Western Societies purposely inaccurately definition of this has a lot to do with this. Its defined in the interests, like so many things are in this society, in the interests of the dominating group – those identifying and accepted as white.
What I noticed about the discussion here about racism and how Matari expertly explained the differences in his post. Where he ended with the pertinent question:
“…Why do white people construe hearing the TRUTH from black folks about what/how white people do as hateful?
You have consciously or otherwise substituted your own explanation for racism as being more properly defined as: Power+ Prejudice. Something I don’t think Matari’s explanation was not strictly simply communicating.
Nevertheless, this blog is replete with explanations and definitions from numerous contributors on this very topic. I would certainly suggest if you are going to opt out of future discussion you use the time to read through some of those threads as indeed Abagond has already suggested.
My own take on why your newly arrived at Racism=Power+Prejudice is flawed can be found here:
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@Kwambla
I disagree, that is how White supremacy operates though. Racism=Power + Prejudice.
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Its ok to disagree Adeen (by the way its Kwamla not Kwambla)
What you, and anyone, else here has to do if they believe Black people cannot be racist is account for this in a way that does not reinforce the very thing they believe is not possible.
Everyone has power and everyone can exercise prejudice so ANYone can be racist!
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@Kwamla
Racism is a social construct not a biological one. No one is born to be a racist, they are taught racism from their parents and environment. Also racism is a system where Whites benefit because of their White skin much to the disadvantage of non White people like us Blacks, Latinos, Asians etc. Also White supremacy is global too.
Black people or minorities living in AmeriKKKlan can’t be racist because they don’t have the power to oppress. The oppress can’t oppress the oppressor. It doesn’t go that way. Any Black person who dislikes White people isn’t a racist, that Black person is biased and prejudiced but they don’t have the power to oppress and marginialized Whites the way White have marginalized and oppressed Black people for centuries. And they still continue to marginalize and oppress Blacks and other minorities in this country to this very day.
And remember this scenario:
Blacks and minorities in AmeriKKKlan= oppressed and marginalized.
Whites= oppressors and our enemies.
You and I can’t be racist against White people in this country because we don’t have the power to oppress them the way that they oppress. And if this can’t get through you, I don’t know what can because I outlined the TRUTH!
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RIck u don’t have to leave I respect u, you are one of the few whites on here that are willing to try to explain to other whites how they have certain privileges and what they are doing wrong.
@ all
This is my definition of what racism is, racism is having the power to exercise ur prejudice against the people u hate and having privileges that help to keep u in a position so u can continue to exercise ur power. I have not seen a case of a black police officer killing an unarmed white person and not serving any time, I have not seen a black person deny the right to live where u want to a white person, I have not seen an all black jury in cases involving race, I have not seen a black equivalent to fox news on national tv. I have not seen a white person hung just because they white and their killers get away with it. I have not seen black ppl or poc go into a predominately white country and create segregation and have their facilities more up kept than the white ones. I have not seen a black person be able to deny the right of hospital care to a white person. Black ppl have not been able to deny whites the right to vote. I have not seen a black person request black nurses only for their baby and get their request accepted. I have not seen a black person be able to have a white family kicked out of a restaurant because they felt threatened. The few things I do see some black ppl exercising what power they have is when they form groups like the black panther party where they don’t allow whites to join. That is the only thing I’ve seen compare just being able to choose who ur close friends, lovers, or associates are to being able to do all the things I listed above. And during slavery black people weren’t even allowed to choose their lovers all the time either.
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@ mstoogood4yall
Thank you very much. I was never going to leave, but it looks as if Kwamla has made it pretty hard for me even to shut up! LOL.
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@ Kwamla
I did a double take here.
Please specify where I agreed with X-he-who-shall-not-be-named. If you can show me that I did then I will be shocked.
I only recall disagreeing with him.
(Doh, and I seem to have screwed up the blockquote thing a couple of posts up. One of those days.)
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Rick Buddhuu: Rick, you know I have nothing but mad respect for you. Please consider staying. I enjoy your perspectives.
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@ mary burrell
Thank you very much. The same back at you 100%.
Ok, enough already. I’ll continue posting verbose drivel.
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Ok, sorry about this – it’s an attempted fix for the blockquote mess-up in my last long post.
This was in reply to Kwamla.
Another thing that I still need to adjust to is the fact that everything one says here is subject to a startling degree of scrutiny. That is not a complaint, just something that I never appreciated to the extent that your words brought home to me.
My withdrawal (which seems to be increasingly less successful) seemed like a good idea because I regularly fail to make my intentions clear. People read things that I didn’t write – sometimes to the point of inferring that my position is the very opposite of what it truly is. I figured I was just wrecking the signal-to-noise ratio. If people can tolerate that then I’ll gladly continue.
“Less than interested”… “choosing to exercise your “white privilege”. Yeah, you can assign any motives you like to someone you don’t know. Sometimes you’ll be correct, sometimes you’ll be way off the mark.
I had already visited a couple of those. As Abagond took the time to post the links I have, of course, worked my way through some more and will read the rest.
I think you may be surprised how many of the archive posts I have read since I’ve been coming here. I recall reading, for example, that Abagond doesn’t buy the racism=prejudice+power equation. His post on that subject was one of the first times I encountered the concept – which I’ve since encountered on other sites too. I’ve read arguments on both sides and I tend to think that there is considerable merit in the equation – and in specifically using the word “racism” for the left-hand expression of the equation, which is the aspect that initially bemused me. Anyway, I’m sold on the validity of the R=P+p equation.
(Drat it. This going to turn into more long-windedness from me, but you kind of brought it upon yourself.)
Anyway, whether or not people buy R=P+p, and/or the premise that black people cannot be racist, it seems to me that most accept that there is a difference between white-on-black racism/prejudice and black-on-white racism/prejudice and that a key difference is the white privilege/power aspect. That being the case it seems sensible to me to have different, specific terms for the two behaviours.
Why the hell not use “Racism” to mean just the white perpetrated type? That’s the main kind of racism (both in frequency and in harmful effect) so why not give it the name that is already established as a “bad” word, the word that everyone knows?
Most racists are white. Why not let them be labelled as such an insist upon a different term for your own dislikes prejudices? Seriously, I’m asking.
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Hurray! Mary’s Magic touch of sweetness worked! Rick will stay. 🙂
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The craziness where the parents didn’t want the black nurse taking care of their newborn, that was some horse manure. I think she filed a law suit, and she was awarded. Good for her.
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@Sharina: You were sweet to say that. Rick is a great commenter.
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LOL, Sharina. 😀
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@ sharina
Lol yeah i nominate ms mary burrell as officially the sweetest commenter.
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@mstoogood4yall: You are the greatest. You know I love you too. Everyone is valuable.
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yes mary the nurse did settle the lawsuit but they didn’t say for how much. I’m glad for her it is crazy to me to be told not to do ur job simply because u don’t have the right skin for the job. Its just funny to me that whenever something like that happens they say oh our staff is now undergoing diversity training rofl.
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abagond said
Rick
Adeen lives in Florida, one of the most racist parts of America. Among other things it gave us:
\https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/08/24/hank-thomas/
and the Rosewood Massacre.
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Damn! didn’t connect the dots til now
I moved from north where I was born to south for warmer climate,figured I was not going to change economic class anytime soon (unfortunately correct) so I might as well live where its warmer, I wondered why I choose california/la over tampa/fla now I see it was a good decision.
“Most racists are white. Why not let them be labelled as such an insist upon a different term for your own dislikes prejudices? Seriously, I’m asking.”
cause in addition to that fact ,whites decide what terms are used to describe what,
I think albinic and melaniated are more accurate and scientific than the vague terms black or white – good luck to me seeing these considered let alone adopted anytime soon
Race stands for competition symbolically.
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“Most racists are white. Why not let them be labelled as such an insist upon a different term for your own dislikes prejudices? Seriously, I’m asking.”
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Rick,
I would say that ALL racists are white. As far as a different term for prejudices, an entire array of words already exist:
Bias, preference, REACTION (one of my favorites), intolerance, suspicious, pugnacious, hate ( hate is also a word some use to describe hatred of white-supremacy/RACISM…. as ALL black people don’t hate ALL white people – contrary to what many whites seem to believe. Being tired, weary, wary, and worn out doesn’t mean hatred. It can mean withholding giving whites the benefit of the doubt – until it might be SAFE to do so.
There are other words … but the practice of RACISM/RACIST should be assigned ONLY to so-called whites. It was designed by whites to benefit only whites, by separating whites from the rest of humanity. That’s an historical fact anyone can research.
I keep harping on when/if whites cease to be WHITE, perhaps some progress (deconstruction of RACISM/white supremacy) can begin to be made. Otherwise racism will remain intact because too many “whites” love their PERCEIVED whiteness and all the perks that come with it.
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“as ALL black people don’t hate ALL white people – contrary to what many whites seem to believe. ”
or what many need others to think they believe.
“but the practice of RACISM/RACIST should be assigned ONLY to so-called whites”
empasis on “should”
“racism will remain intact because too many “whites” love their PERCEIVED whiteness and all the perks that come with it.”
No they pretend to.
the perks come from successful violence,deception and cooperation.
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@ Matari
Well, yes, fair enough. I should have used one of the more general terms and said something like: Most racial-bigots/race-haters/racially-prejuudiced are white. Why not let them be labelled as such and insist upon a different term for your own dislikes and prejudices?
The more I read here, the more obvious it becomes that the semantics are completely confused. Even amongst PoC there is no agreement on a clear definition of racism. The frustrating thing is that I think most people kind of agree on most of the important points of the situation – the differences between the kinds of racial prejudice practised by whites and those that can be practised by PoC, and the truth of a white supremacist system – but there isn’t consensus on which labels should apply.
As words not only describe ideas, but also shape them, this is a serious problem.
I have come to agree with this.
@ Kwamla
I acknowledge the point you have made in several posts that anyone can have power.
I would suggest that doesn’t invalidate the Racism=prejudice+power equation as that equation does not specify white racism. It would apply equally to a black supremacist world if things had developed that way. It would apply to a Martian supremacist world should we be invaded a la War of the Worlds.
To some extent, on of the appealing things about the R=P+p equation is that it is not, in itself a racist or prejudiced equation. It would adapt to apply to whichever group was, or became, the power-wielding oppressor.
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@ Kwamla
If, by “these two elements”, you mean prejudice and power then surely the point many are making is that in an unfair white-dominated system that power is also unequal. One group is privileged to the disadvantage of the other. There is a power/privilege gradient down which flows R=P+p Racism. The kind of prejudice and bigotry that is backed up by a system.
On the “White Women’s Tears” thread TrojanPam posted the following link to interviews with Mr. Neely Fuller, Jr.
http://theblackcodefiles.com/sound-clips/.
Amongst those clips is one where he says that the white racist is backed up by a huge army. To me, his words implied that he meant more than just numbers.
We may all have some power, but its unequal distribution between groups, in my opinion, is more than enough to make R=P+p work.
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BTW, Kwamla, I’m still waiting for you to point to my alleged agreement with X-whatever-his-name-is. It must have been a significant example for you to use it in a challenging manner in your post.
I honestly don’t recall agreeing with that person. It’s nagging at me. Please clarify.
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“The more I read here, the more obvious it becomes that the semantics are completely confused. Even amongst PoC there is no agreement on a clear definition of racism.”
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As long as you realize that this “confusion” didn’t occur by in a void, by chance, or accident. It was designed to camouflage and mitigate the violence and oppression of white-supremacy/racism by falsely claiming that anyone can be a racist and practice racism – which is bullsh*t… yet MANY people have adopted this bogus claim.
1. It lets whites off the hook… they are often heard saying (“…see, you ____ people are racists too!”)
2. It confuses some POC regarding not being able to see fully the issues (truth) in front of them, pertaining to what racism IS, and how racism WORKS.
3. If everyone can be a racist then “racist” would and should have the same exact meaning as – biased – prejudice – particular – preference. ORIGINALLY racism did not mean these words. TODAY, these words are being implemented to mean racist/racism. They are NOT the same, yet they are often interpreted/seen as the same in the English lexicon.
The word has been watered down and rendered almost useless … it no longer carries the full weight of its true meaning. I try to demonstrate this rendering by asking the clueless when exactly did black slaves become *racists*? Because one has to know that millions of kidnapped Africans were certainly biased, prejudiced, particular, hateful, upset, angry, violent, etc about this new predicament (CHATTEL slavery) they found themselves in. But who can claim that kidnapped Africans were racists? Or when, how and where they morphed from being non-racists to becoming racists? This is why I call BS to any claim about blacks being racists.
How to get everyone on the same page using the same definition?
By continually telling the truth!
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@Kwamla
You are right. Racism is Power + prejudice. White supremacy is Whites having power to oppress, exploit and marginalize the people they hate. That is the truth.
Any Black person who dislikes Whites is a bigot or prejudiced not racism because they don’t have the power to oppress Whites.
@Matari
I agree with you completely. Black people can’t be racist because they don’t have the power to oppress. The oppressed-Blacks, Hispanics and Asians can’t oppress the oppressor-White people. And whenever a White person calls a Black person racist many times they are racist themselves or they don’t want to take responsibility for the racism their ancestors created to put minorities in ”their place”.
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”I would say that ALL racists are white.”
I would say MOST Whites are racist not all. I am not fond of White people and I am saying this.
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Yes…I believe it would be true to say there is a lot of confusion in the area of defining what exactly constitutes a “racist and racism”. This confusions is no accident as the following statements by both Rick and Matari illustrate:
Rick
and then by Matari
What you have shown Rick is that by defining racism in such a way that does not explicitly specify white racism perpetuates the lie and confusion that ANYONE, including Martians, can be racist if they so choose to exercise their own power and prejudice. Arguments about how much power or how extreme the prejudice are really irrelevant because if both are present then YOU can be RACIST!
This is why I prefer and would stick to the Nelly Fuller definition of Racism=White Supremacy. It should also be clear why it is necessarily expressed in this way. Its a one-way street. This is how it was socially constructed.
When things are already set up GLOBALLY in this way. All anyone can ever do is re-act to this situation. Which is what Black people/POC have been doing since the onset of slavery, imperialism and colonialism.
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@ Rick Buddhuu
I would search through the XPrat thread and examine some of your own responses there to find out why I might have drawn my conclusions. I, also, would have to do the same to bring this to you. But at this stage I am quite happy for us to agree to disagree on our interpretations.
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My definition of racism is a bit different, and it’s based on my observations about how race works in America at least. Racism is the thoughts, beliefs, and/or actions that contribute the perpetuation of the social construct known as Race. Racists are the people who do racism. Race, the social construct/ cast system couldn’t exist w/o a relationship of unequal power between “races”. I often demonstrate this by saying that if African, European, and First Nation people sat down and wrote the Bill of Rights together, there’d be few if any problems.
Race, the social construct; Racism, the defense of Race; and Racists, the defenders of Race.
To that end, I do think it is possible for Black people to be racist. Clowns like Pastor Manning are an obvious example. It gets murkier when one talks about Black Nationalism and Black Supremacy. The former is a desire for independence, the latter is a desire to reverse the racial hierarchy. Now, there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to part ways with a society that oppresses you; seeing as America felt it was just to rebel against England over a tax dispute (according to the common understanding, at least), the definition of oppression is very broad and our situation definitely qualifies. However Black Separatism and Black Supremacy overlap to a depressing degree (although Americans didn’t stop hating England until the early 1900s, so I suppose you can’t have nationalism without bigotry of some kind.)
The SPLC sees both Black Nationalism and Black Supremacy as viable threats, but beyond making people angry and provoking murder and violence, the damage that BN and BS can/will do is hypothetical, compared to the very real power that White Supremacy still holds. To use a contemporary example, Black people have no say in which states will benefit from the Affordable Care Act. It just so happens that the states opting out of the Affordable Care Act are states with large Black populations. So, not only will fewer Black people receive coverage, the entire community will suffer because only a handful of men and women will have to support their aging parents and grandparents, wayward siblings, and sickly sons, daughters, nieces and nephews almost entirely on their own. This is not the work of the KKK, but the work of Federalism and so-called “Colorblind Policy”. We don’t have the power to hold White people under our boots like that in this country or any other.
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@ Adeen
When you accept racism as a social construction created specifically to privilege those identifying with and accepting the construction of “whiteness”. It becomes easier to distinguish those people most likely to associate with the practise of racism from those less inclined to. Its this association of “whiteness” with “racism” and how aware a white person is of this that determines their level.
Most white people do not even consider de-constructing/re-constructing their own sense of what “whiteness and privilege” means so they can be considered racist by default.
This is also why if you use the definition of “white supremacy”. Attempting to associate “Blackness”, or any other colour, with racism makes no sense?
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@ Matari
I’ll be honest and admit that I hadn’t considered that the confusion might be deliberate, although I’m prepared to accept it as a working hypothesis while I think it through.
If I’m going to be honest then I’m going to say a lot of things that are going to sound stupid, because some of the ideas I encounter here are new to me.
Agreed. That doesn’t work.
Understood. Although by accident or design it also confuses some white people. My own struggle to get it all clear is probably evident.
I’ve spoken to a few white people about this definitions issue in the last couple of days. One outright rejected the idea that black people can’t be racist. She disagrees with me and says that as far as she is concerned all racial-hatred is racism. She says I’m over-thinking it. She already consider me a bit of a conspiracy theorist because of my opinions on class conflict.
The two white males I’ve discussed it with understand what I’m getting at with R=P+p and agree that white supremacist racism could be described that way. They also see the point that by this definition black people cannot be racist in the same way, but neither of them seems to understand the possibility of black people not being “Racist” at all. They seem hung up on that being the only possible blanket word for race prejudice/hatred.
These are two guys from an anarchist network. They share my views on class conspiracy and are anti racist. I expected them to agree with me. Instead, they seem sceptical that there is an actual white supremacist system at all. Which just got us into an argument about definitions of “system”. When I have the opportunity I’ll discuss it with them again if they’re willing.
I’m not sure I’m reading the first paragraph correctly. Please could you confirm what racism originally meant as you allude to it above?
The second paragraph I entirely agree with.
Yes, that’s got to be the way, but simple failures of understanding are a significant obstacle. If a lot of people are as slow to get it clear as I seem to be then the task will be a slow one.
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@ Adeen.
Agreed. This is my understanding, and is the version I have come to accept and the version I am repeating in blogs and Facebook notes.
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@ Kwamla
I’ll respond properly tomorrow, if you’ll excuse me. I have to go out and host a music session in about 30 mins, It would be rude to rush out a poorly considered reply.
Have a good evening (as it is here), everyone.
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@ Kwamla
If you mean the “Notes on xPraetorius” thread, I think you’ll find that I did not participate in that discussion.
In the absence of evidence to support your claim:
I respectfully suggest that perhaps you are, indeed, mistaken.
Some participants here have come to accept that my attempts at discussion are genuine and that I am not trolling – even though I am still taking a while to get to grips with some of the concepts I read here.
If you believe me to be a troll then all you will see in my contributions are imagined agendas and tricks. You may find plenty of errors and misunderstandings, and probably some conclusions that I need to rethink. No problem: point them out and I’ll rethink them.
I hold plenty of unpopular positions and beliefs and am ashamed of none of them: I’m an atheist and an anti-capitalist anarchist-communist. I support free healthcare for the poor. I do not believe that military service to an imperialist, corporate lackey government entitles a person to respect or gratitude. I blog and rant on social media about my views constantly. I get plenty of sh!t back.
I’m a big mouth. If I were racist – if I even mildly disliked people of colour – you would know about it.
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@ Kwamla
I’m struggling to see what we’re really disagreeing about here, but I’m prepared to try to grasp it if you’ll spare the time to point out where I’m misunderstanding.
Let me restate, and hopefully clarify my position. Please note all of the following points. Any one taken out of context will give a distorted impression of my position.
1) I favour the Racism=Prejudice+Power definition of Racism.
2) I have come to accept the view that in this, the real world, the dominant system IS a white supremacist system as you allude to in your last paragraph quoted above.
3) As a consequence of point 2, so long as that system remains, only whites can be Racist.
The Martians thing may have been a red herring. Either you don’t get what I meant, or I don’t get your objection. I was (subsequent to ACCEPTING that ONLY WHITES CAN BE RACIST IN THE CURRENT REAL WORLD) trying to emphasise the importance of the power SYSTEM (as opposed to the limited power of individuals) in empowering Racism.
The power of individuals is not what allows them to be racist. It is a power SYSTEM. If you are claiming that I implied that PoC or Martians could be racist if they chose to exercise some kind of personal/individual power then you misunderstand me. If they enjoyed the privilege of a system (hypothetical) equivalent in power and oppressive nature to the current white supremacist one that holds in this REAL world then (again, hypothetically) they would be empowered to be Racist if they chose to be so. But ONLY with the backup of that SYSTEM.
So, in the real world, only whites can be Racist (because of R=P+p).
(For my own use, I have adopted the standard of using initial capital to refer to Racism as supported by the white privilege system.)
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@Rick Buddhu
I respect your opinions and I am glad you are learning because I am learning too as a young, Black person. Maybe I have some help for White Americans to change their ways and help Blacks like me and Kwamla, Latinos and Asians to help dismantle the system.
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@Rick Buddhu
I read somewhere that you posted that some of the Black people whom you worked with hated White people. Well, according to the racism=power + prejudice, they are prejudiced and biased against White people. They don’t have the power to exercise their hate and oppress White people the way Whites have oppressed Blacks for centuries.
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Rick,
The clarification on racism’s original meaning that you requested is in this piece from sociology professor Joe Feagin of RacismReview.com.
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“….you have to first understand that “racism” in its original meaning (as determined by the scholar who coined that term in Germany under the Nazis) and in its still deepest meaning, means systemic racism. Only whites have created and maintained a system of racial oppression in the US case. In the original sense, thus, there is only systemic white racism. Anyone can be prejudiced but whites are the ones who created our 346 years of extreme racial oppression (Jim Crow and slavery) and the few decades of still large scale discrimination against Black Americans and other Americans of color since the end of Jim Crow in 1969.
Whites still firmly control — in spite of Obama’s election and other modest recent gains for Americans of Color — our political, economic, and legal systems, and they control our “white party,’ too–that is, the Republican Party. So white men voted at about 63 percent and white women at about 56 percent to put that white party back fully into power.
Blacks, Latinos, Asian Americans voted overwhelmingly to keep that white party from getting back into power and making things worse than they are now (still much racial discrimination targeting them, and great inequalities of economic and political power). Even so , whites (mostly men) still run all major institutions in the country, including Congress, the Supreme Court, and much of the White House. Yet white men are only about 32 percent of the adult population!”
(end of excerpt)
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The Western nations, run largely by white men overwhelmingly control wealth generating investments, lines of credit, access to loans, international central BANKING, ENERGY and the military industrial (war machines) complex needed to impose their will upon non-white nations. But I digress…
Racism = white supremacy/colorism/violence/mistreatment/oppression ….
Reaction (to racism) = bias, prejudice, anger, hostility, hate, bigotry, suspicion…. etc.
See the difference now? It’s clear as crystal…. right?
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“Some participants here have come to accept that my attempts at discussion are genuine and that I am not trolling [. . . .]
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You can count me among those participants, Rick. Your commentary thus far strikes me as thought provoking and sincere — and nowhere near what might be termed ‘trolling’.
I’m glad to see that you are continuing to comment.
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It is late here (1am) and I have to work later this morning. (Doh!)
More importantly, I have had a few beers so it would not be respectful to comment just now beyond saying thanks for your understanding and tolerance.
This isn’t the kind of place one posts when under the influence.
Catch you all later. Have a good night.
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@ Rick Buddhuu
This is your whole argument in its entirety. Your three points clarify your position well in support of this definition of “…R=P+p)…”
However, as I would continue to maintain, this supplied definition is flawed. Not just flawed but intentionally flawed. This is actually a lot more simpler given your three points
The simple question which you would have to account for is this:
How does your preferred definition of “…Racism=prejudice+power…” account for the observation of your own point (3)?
“…3) As a consequence of point 2, so long as that system remains, only whites can be Racist…
The honest and truthful answer is it DOESN’T!
“…R=P+p)…” doesn’t hint or suggest the exclusive nature of this situation in any way. It hides, obfuscates and intentionally omits this potentially crucial bit of information. In other words it adds to the haze and mist surrounding discussions of racism because it is intentionally UNCLEAR or non-specific in its definition.
Again, this is why I maintain Racism=prejudice+power will always remain a flawed and limited definition towards defining racism.
The obvious question, given this conclusion, to ask is in whose interests does this serve?
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@ Kwamla
Apologies, I’ve read your post several times, but I’m afraid I just can’t get your point clear in my mind. If you have the patience to rephrase it I’d be grateful.
Or if anyone else would care to have a go at an idiot-proof explanation… All input welcome.
@ Adeen
Yes indeed. This is how I have come to understand it,
It makes sense to me, which I why I’m eager to understand Kwamla’s objection. There may be something I’ve overlooked.
@ Matari
Thanks very much. Excellent and very helpful excerpt.
That original definition is clear, and is in accord with the capital R Racism that I understand.
The temptation to go off at a tangent into discussion of wider class oppression is strong, but that would drift too far off topic.
What I will say is that I need to re-evaluate the nature of oligarchy and plutocracy in light of this. Clearly white males are grossly over-represented amongst those in power – in my country as well as yours. What I need to consider is whether racial oppression is as big a factor in the elite’s core aims as class oppression is. Is it a goal in itself or is it a strategy aimed at dividing working and lower middle classes to make rule easier to maintain?
Is systemic white supremacist racism its own raison d’etre; is it the main focus… or is it a tool of more general class conflict – massive collateral damage?
As I say, that strays off topic, but in my mind it follows from the discussion here and requires consideration.
Whatever. The system certainly, and unquestionably, needs to be dismantled.
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@ Rick Buddhuu
This really is not that difficult to grasp….So its beyond me why you’re having such a problem…
You mention gender and class as if these are separate entities when they really are all interrelated as well many other unconsidered human aspects. It would be erroneous and limiting to consider one and not the others. They all impact on us.
Indeed we could express sexism in the same way as white supremacy
Sexism=Male Supremacy
Now does this definition apply only to white males or ALL males?
How about Sexism=Prejudice + Power ?
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@ Kwamla
Well, it’s obviously not difficult for you as you are the person explaining it, so you already know what you mean. It is not uncommon for two people to find each other’s communication difficult to follow. It is so much easier speaking to someone face-to-face. If you and I were discussing this over a beer or a coffee I’d have it straight in minutes. This internet back and forth stuff requires patience and trust.
Sexism=Prejudice+power…
IMO, that is valid. Males enjoy a disproportionate degree of privilege and power in most societies with which I am familiar. I would say not just white males. Where that is the case then women will not be in a position to be sexist in any way that significantly threatens the patriarchal system.
Well, of course they do. You state the obvious.
I don’t accept that I mention them as “separate entities”. My post explicitly mused over the relationship between Racism and class conflict – the interplay between those interacting considerations.
They can be considered discretely in so far as different groups and individuals tend to focus on certain aspects. A woman may conduct much of her discourse with a view to addressing sexism. A socialist man or woman trade union activist may be more pressingly concerned with class oppression and the unfair distribution of wealth. A person of colour may be primarily concerned with the injustices faced by PoC in a white supremacist society. Any of those people may focus on their particular area of main concern and be relatively (but not necessarily) less concerned with the others.
Of course these things are all connected, but they are also discrete aspects that can be considered as such when exploring how they interact, which is exactly what I was describing in my post.
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@ Rick Buddhuu
If you agree with the similar definition I offered for sexism as you just stated:
Ok…So now then following on from what you have written above here. Which of the two definitions (given below) best describes the phenomenon of sexism at the hands of men that woman experience?
Is it…
Sexism=Prejudice+Power…
OR
Sexism=Male Supremacy…
Which one in your view is more accurate and clear as a definition? And why?
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i want to say some things but this gettin way heavy
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Some people want to abuse you. Some people want to be abused by you. Some people want to use you. Some people want to be used by you.
In conclusion, prejudice+power is a starting point for discriminatory action in a discernible world.
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i would posit the implication or connotation of power wether actual or derived from preconceived notions could substitute for the theoretically proposed concept of ‘power’ in the mas or minus accepted ‘power+prejudice’ side of the equation thuse drawing in a disenfranchised white person bein able to be racist
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not my most eloquent quote but somethin been naggin at me with this all
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wanna talk about scientific method lets make a theorem like in algebra
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also kwamla and budhhu is assuming heavily on the side of women have no power that is clearly wrongmindful from the gate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_strike
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@ v8driver
Women aren’t powerless in the sense that they are weak. Individual women can be as strong as, or stronger than, individual men, but they are disadvantaged by a unbalanced system. Women suffer systemic discrimination that is difficult to challenge via individual action – or even by limited concerted group action. A revolution is required in the mindset of men to address the problem properly.
The implication of relative powerlessness is not meant in any disrespectful or demeaning way, merely being used to describe the consequence of male domination of the system.
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@ Kwamla
Both are correct.
The latter is more specific, and therefore clearer. The former is the principle from which the latter is derived.
The first is the equation that would apply equally to a hypothetical matriarchal system as to a patriarchal one.
The second is that formula applied to the current real-world situation in which males dominate. It specifically describes how things actually are at present.
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How do this sound to you Rick…?
If this applies to women could it equally apply to Black people/African-Americans too?
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Absolutely. That is my current understanding of the situation, thus I would accept that version without alteration.
In my mind. that is what I have been saying.
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Ok…Thats good Rick. We would seem to have found a level of understanding and agreement then.
Which of the two definitions (given below) best describes the phenomenon of racism at the hands of white people that Black people experience?
Is it…
Racism=Prejudice+Power…
OR
Racism=White Supremacy… …..?
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Both describe it, but the second is the more specific description.
Again, the first describes the principle, the mechanics. The second describes how that mechanism applies in the real world under the current system.
Things that are equal to the same thing are equal to each other.
Racism=Prejudice+Power
Racism=White Supremacy
Therefore, in our current, real world system, Racism=White Supremacy.
I’m increasingly coming to suspect that we may not have disagreed too much in the first place, but that the problem may have been of communication.
We’ll see.
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Or,
In this current, real world system, Prejudice+Power=White Supremacy.
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May God save all women in grand power and prejudice! Rule Britannia! Britannia rule the waves, may Britons never be slaves!
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Well my thoughts are starting to coalesce as i am here in the dmv fightin 2 states to get my license back, something like and this is gonna be unpopular is the p+p=r sort of inherently puts the ‘discrimnated against’ entity in a position of less than as part of the equation, and if not feeds that is probably to strong but exists as a negative image or flip side of ppl like xpratorious saying things like ‘race baiting’ etc and while is on us whites who intuit and resist racial and gender inequality we all know that also enables the patronimic white liberal entity too so how is the chain to be broken but by both sides without rioting and extreme measures
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And no im not jumping ship i am tryin real hard to express my feelin some type of way really what comes to mind is the day without mexicans movie something like that i cant really even say my feelings or intuition is completely known or understood to myself on some real ish
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What we have learned….?
The problem is Prejudice+Power can define any number of systems of oppression. Racism and Sexism are but just two. Its a general description but it is not specific. In discussions like this concerning emotive subjects like racism, sexism, classicism etc…we need to be very specific otherwise we risk unnecessary and mis-directed emotional outbursts because of past centuries of unresolved pains and hurts.
Keeping “…isms” defined like this at the general level allows them to stay there and no one individually or or collectively needs to own up and take responsibility for them.
Of course this suits the agenda of those who derive power and privilege from those “…isms” the most. It simply adds to the mass confusion and inability to resolve basic equality issues. We then erroneously go on living our our lives believing inequality is a natural state of being for some peoples – Which of course it IS NOT!!! Its simply been purposely set up in society to seem like it is…
Like the question this post of Abagond’s posed: Why do whites hate and demonize, fear or look down on Black people?
I think this probably has a lot to do with it…
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@kwamla nice. very well put.
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Ah. I think I finally see your point.
Yes, it is important to be specific and clear.
I also think it is valid to examine the more general principles that make these things work, but not in a way that muddies water that should be kept clear. Some of my musings may well have been vague enough to do that.
That said, I actually think my own position is quite clear and explicit.
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@Kwambla
Racism= White supremacy in my eyes. And I agree with your other points too
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/123505037742352/permalink/524950917597760/?comment_id=525581887534663&offset=0&total_comments=402
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ah ha someone is accusing me of posting a virus with the pingback here from black world news, ok…
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@ All above…
Thank you for your agreement. Your comments are appreciated.
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I think you need to get out more in the world. Not all white people are like this. I live in a mixed neighborhood and do you think that I look at the African American neighbor with contempt? No! That is not how I was brought up because my mother who came from a poor Jewish neighborhood (projects) taught me better than that. Talk to more white people before you generalize. No matter what race you are, there is some racism in each race and don’t say there isn’t because that is turning a blind eye to the overall problem. We need to treat each other with respect, but we don’t have to necessarily like each other even in our own race! To me, people thinking that one race is inferior to another is totally absurd when we come from the same primordial ooze millions upon millions of years ago.
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@ Notorious
“I think you need to get out more in the world. Not all white people are like this.”—Um Duh which is why the first sentence says “Why do many White Americans hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?” Not all.
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@Sharina-Then I apologize, because I thought it was a generalization.
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@Notorius
It happens. To be honest I am not one to sing on to the “all people” theory myself. I have some pretty cool friends of all backgrounds. 😉
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Im not a racist. From experience ,Im just a simple ,low keyed, Misanthrope
Generally i think most of “MANKIND” (all nationalities)looks down on anyone who he thinks is beneath him(aka different) .Thats what causes many of our conflicts. Whites do it to each other as do all races.When its done White on Black,then its racism. Our courts dontt recognise this in reverse.
Blacks exhibiting resentment and hostility tends to make those whites that werent racist before begin 1st to developing predjudices against the blacks.
This racism is being fanned by both black and whites. who want it to remain or get worse.
The Lone Misanthropic Ranger
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@Misanthropedia
“Blacks exhibiting resentment and hostility tends to make those whites that werent racist before begin 1st to developing predjudices against the blacks.”—I disagree. If you were not prejudice or held some type of prejudice to begin with then nothing a person does is going to make you suddenly become prejudice. This is because you know that there are azz holes in each race and you would not blame the whole race for that one azz hole.
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@Misanthropedia
There are prejudiced persons in all “races”.
The only difference is that no one else except whites have built an empire on it. On a bunch of lies.
Whites built the system of White Supremacy, the real and only “NWO”, and have built their racism on that alone. No one else has done this. No one else lies about history and/or pillages other nations and peoples in the name of “empire”. That’s a euro thing; a white thing.
Feel free to disagree and obfuscate though.
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sharina
Where did you get this idea? “If you were not prejudice or held some type of prejudice to begin with then nothing a person does is going to make you suddenly become prejudice. ”
Where did i say in my post “something a person did to me suddenly made me predjudiced? ” This cannot be discussed rationally if you are going to misread and misinterpret what i wrote.
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@Misanthropedia
” This cannot be discussed rationally if you are going to misread and misinterpret what i wrote.”—Your right which is why I am confused on how you misread and misinterpreted what it is I wrote. How you became confused at drop of the hat. So it is fair to say any intellectual discussion I thought I was going to get from this is a sham?
“Where did i say in my post “something a person did to me suddenly made me predjudiced?”—I was not referring to you as in YOU, but had you been anyone of some intellect you would know that.
Secondly a hit dog will holla. 🙂
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Your example of unprovoked vitriol at me about my posts are just one of the justifiable reasons people learn to hate others and you specifically.
Until you obtain the ability to use the correct word to express your ideas ,youre always going to have communicative issues.
Youre an idiot when you cant seem to muster the correct word and just expect everyone to know what you mean If they cant read your mind .
Youre not much of a social problem solver as youve shown me,but
you seem to have the aptitude for making a fine bigot and racist .
With your attitude you have shown here,you will never find the “truth” as it is but only as you want to see it.
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This article appears to be written by a very intelligent person who has not matured beyond mere thoughtfulness and into mutual sensibility. Your take is your take; you perceive alone. If and when you perceive communally, you will begin to see a shared understanding among people, that they don’t compete with others because of characteristic such as color, they see strength in others as a means to being strong as individuals. Whatever social discrimination becomes popular, it isn’t true unless it lives forever. White and blacks will not always alienate and resent each other. In fact, if you can see that you are just stuck in negative thinking, you could shift gears and ask yourself for a second opinion. Most importantly, the racial discrimination is more about fear of injecting foreign culture into the local culture of the region in which both cultures coexist. This is a science, not an evil. When a foreign body enters an organism, the organism defends itself until it adapts. As a society, cultures defend themselves until the society adapts. On a more personal note, you make me, a Caucasian, appear to be programmed like a computer to innately disturb you. This proves the aforementioned immaturity I described. You simple don’t know people. And as you get older, you will realize you will not always know yourself. It’s normal. It’s called Difference.
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we Don’t fear blacks. everything else is fine, but we don’t fear them because there’s nothing to fear. how weird……
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@Misanthropedia
My first post was not some attack on you. I was not upset by what you said at all, but I did offer my opinion on the matter. An opinion in which you responded with snippy rudeness. If you were to be rude then how is it I am not allowed to.
“Until you obtain the ability to use the correct word to express your ideas ,youre always going to have communicative issues.”—I communicate quite well. The issue seems to be individuals with comprehension issues. Those to embarrassed to acknowledge they have them and insist it is someone else.
“Youre an idiot when you cant seem to muster the correct word and just expect everyone to know what you mean If they cant read your mind”—I did not see where the words were that hard to understand, so the question is who is the real idiot here. It did not take mind reading, but it did break the upperhand you thought you had, so now you resort to petty name calling and tantrum throwing for basically nothing other than your embarrassment in getting caught in your bs.
“Youre not much of a social problem solver as youve shown me,but
you seem to have the aptitude for making a fine bigot and racist .”—I never claimed to be a social problem solver. It is not my job to solve the problems of people. So you can conclude I am a bigot and racist on little to no words but you can’t even figure out what I mean in one sentence? Interesting how that works for a person grasping at straws.
“With your attitude you have shown here,you will never find the “truth” as it is but only as you want to see it.”—And what is the truth? I have found people have different truths and you seem to be living in your own idea of “truth.” But let’s be frank. What you ended up doing was in a sense telling on yourself. As I said before….A hit dog will holla.
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@Misanthropedia
Comment in moderation, but I wanted to further note. Part of your downfall is you got ahead of yourself. You focused on the bs petty insults such as “This cannot be discussed rationally if you are going to misread and misinterpret what i wrote.” I politely gave my opinion on the phenomenon which actually could have been discussed on an intellectual level, but you chose to got with name calling and insults. Which tells me you had no intention to discuss anything rationally.
Also your reaction tells me that you are the type of person I was referring to. That is the reason for your defensive nature for no reason, so no there is no way I would possibly get an intellectual conversation out of you who has already displayed an emotional imbalance.
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This made me really sad, to read. And if that’s what you wanted new to feel, I guess that’s ok. I can take that. But I hope you know that – no matter what you’ve seen in white people that were horrible to you – that’s not all of us.
My love and respect for other people is never tempered by race. It’s not what my Quaker ancestors passed down, it’s not how I was introduced to the world by MY parents, and …
…I just don’t hate. ❤
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Thank you dear.
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“Quaker ancestors”? Yeah. Okay.
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“In fact, if you can see that you are just stuck in negative thinking, you could shift gears and ask yourself for a second opinion.”
That’s what it is? “Negative thinking”? Black history at the hands of these whites means nothing, even though it is consistent if not overt. It has no bearing on anything. Has this Anonymous (typical) clown read the site? Do these people read? Or is it that they come down with mad cases of schizophrenia and dyslexia when reading the truth?
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“Quakers”@ miz Maeve
“In Fact”@ Anonymous
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The interesting thing is your post and the comments here show how racist some people on here are. People on your side politically When everyone stops buying the ideas that society is against them is the moment that they are free. Stop perpetuating the stereotypes that you supposedly are against. Seriously after seeing the comments here , I don’t see a answer to this issue because you need someone to blame and hate
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@Moon. “People on your side politically When everyone stops buying the ideas that society is against them is the moment that they are free.”
Their is no political party in the U.S. that’s not racist. The Empire is structured to marginalize and exploit any group that doesn’t reflect the image of the ruling tribe.
“Stop perpetuating the stereotypes that you supposedly are against.”
Recognizing the psychology behind racism empowers those affected by it.
Some POC on this blog may be prejudice but they can never be racist. To eliminate racism would require shutting down the Empire.
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@Moon
Your comment is actually proof that you did not read the post let alone the comment section. For starters the post has little or nothing to do with politics. Everything is not a struggle of dems vs repubs and I find most who try to make it are trying to fight the truth. Secondly most in here do not belong to or support any of the major political parties.
As to the remainder of you post I was going to write it off as the ramblings of a mad individual, but it seems Michael responded to it fairly well.
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What I don’t understand is why pretend you’re not racist when deep down you are. For instance I heard with my own ears a white guy said that if it was back during the slavery days he would hang a black girl to whom he did not like. But, he is supposed to have black friends and hang around black people. I mean what’s the deal, just pick a side. And it isn’t the first time I’ve heard racist comments come out of white people’s mouths at the school I went to but they “supposedly had black friends”. I just don’t understand why you would put it in that way if you weren’t racist.
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WHITES OWNED NOTHING. EVERYTHING THEY HAVE THEY STOLE. THE ROMANS RAN THE BLACK HEBREWS OUT OF ISRAEL. THEY FLED INTO PARTS OF AFRICA BECAUSE THEY COULD EASILY HIDE AMONGST OTHER BLACK SKINNED PEOPLE. BUT THESE PEOPLE HATED THE HEBREWS ALSO. WHITES KIDNAPPED HEBREWS & ETHIOPIANS & SOLD THEM ALL OVER EUROPE. THE BOOK OF ENOCH TELLS YOU WHAT COLOR THE ANGELS WERE..THEY HAD WHITE SKIN. SO, SOME WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE SIBLINGS OF THE ANGELS. BETTER KNOWN AS NEPHILIMS. THEY THINK NARCISSISTICALLY AS THEIR FATHERS..THE ANGELS. THEY MAY BE SMARTER BECAUSE OF THIS MIXING ALSO. THE BIBLE SAYS THE ANGELS ARE JUST A LITTLE ABOVE MAN. HUE MAN MEANS COLOR…WHITES ARE A MIXTURE OF HUE MAN & FALLEN ANGELS ACCORDING TO GENESIS. THEY CAN’T PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE DONE ANYTHING WRONG.
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@ Mai7
1. Please do not write your comments in UPPER CASE. Going forward, I will delete them if you do.
2. Please resubmit your comment in moderation with at least an approximation of correct capitalization.
Thank you.
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Shut the hell up. We don’t hate you.
We hate your huge ego.
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^ That’s exactly what the abusive bastard husband said to the wife he was beating with a crowbar.
“Shut the hell up!!!! I’m not abusing you!! It’s your ^%*%&$^%$ attitude that I don’t like!!!!”
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This is truly sad…smh.
@Lara….i’m not sure if you are still on this post but you are beyond ignorant not only in reference to Black people as a whole but also on history as well…
You stated this: “If it weren’t for your race there would be no indoor plumbing.”
Are you serious? You have put your foot so far in your mouth I’m certain it’s coming out of the other end by now..How about state facts instead of repeating what your “warrior race” have told you…let’s just take race out the picture a wee bit and make this a history lesson instead. Do you know who THE MOORS were? Clearly you don’t because if so you would have never stated such ignorance. The Moors were BLACKS who came along in 73AD and taught your “warrior race” civilization sweetie. And by civilization I mean castles, washing and bathing, beliefs and practices and INDOOR PLUMBING among other things. Go do your research. Please. Your ignorance simply put is just shameful to the entire HUMAN RACE. Even your “RICH WHITE WARRIOR SCHOLARS AND HISTORIANS” will tell you this. Your people were living very unclean and savagely and were also struggling before MY PEOPLE CAME ALONG AND SHOWED OUR LOVE AND KINDNESS. It’s not about being better than another race my dear. We were put here to love one another unconditionally the same way our SAVIOUR intended. I’m not sure why white america never wants to hear the truth about themselves. Everyone wants to skip over what they have done and the racists systems our government still have in place til this very day. We ALL NEED TO RISE ABOVE THIS ISSUE OF RACE AND JUST TRY TO BE AS OUR HEAVENLY FATHER. I guarantee the world would instantly be a better place for it. There is only one race and that’s the HUMAN RACE. IN THE END, THERE WILL BE ALL RACES IN HEAVEN AND CERTAINLY ALL RACES IN HELL. EVIL HAS NO PLACE IN HEAVEN NO MATTER WHAT COLOR YOU ARE.
#STOPTHERACISM
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I think we need a part two for this thread. It’s getting harder and harder to come with all these responses still coming in.
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^^^ Just a thought. ^^^
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I am closing this thread to comments and reposting the post:
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