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Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?

Repost: This was first posted two years ago today. With 1,778 comments, its thread is no longer usable. I am closing the original to comments and reposting it here. Only the “See also” section has been changed – I still agree with what I said in the original post:

Why do many White Americans hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks? I am no scientist or scholar, but here is I how I currently think about it. This post is very much a work in progress.

There are plenty of things that keep white racist thinking in place:

  • Racist messages in jokes, history books, the news and on television, etc,
  • Material self-interest,
  • Fear of becoming an outcast among whites

and so on. But this is not the heart of the matter.

Not even material self-interest. After all, plenty of poor whites are racist. About all they have to show for it is this: “At least I’m not black.” And that gives it away: it is about white self-image.

My current understanding of the white self-image:

  1. Narcissism – having no true sense of self-worth they put up a false front to persuade the world, and most of all themselves, that they do have worth. They mainly do this through money, but also by putting down others to make themselves look better. Deep down they know the whole thing is a lie, which makes them all the more desperate to uphold the front.
  2. Dichotomous thinking – either/or thinking. Their films often have characters who are either all good or all evil. When you ask them about it they say that of course they know the world is not that simple, that it is just a storytelling device. Yet much of their thinking is very either/or, black-or-white. The One Drop Rule is a good example. So is their idea that they are Basically Good, getting upset when you point out anything that does not fit that overblown self-image. Like that maybe they are racist. Worst of all, it means they cannot accept people who are too different: if you are not the same as us then there must be something wrong with you. Either/or.
  3. Moral blindness – this is huge. Every single black person in the eyes of white people is the sign of a terrible crime from their ugly past, a reminder that their life is a fraud, that they are pretty much nothing more than armed robbers. But #1 and #2 make it hard for them to simply own up to their past and make it right. Instead they deny, shift blame, lie, twist facts and make black people into these creatures that they look down on, laugh at and yet, oddly, fear. It is a failed attempt to be at peace with themselves. This is why whites need to give reparations more than blacks need to receive it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with black people other than the bad patch of history they are going through, its side effects and the ordinary human failings. It is white people who have a deep crack in their souls.

I know that sounds extreme – partly because we have “white is right” pounded into our heads night and day – but their history shows that there is something seriously wrong with them.

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  1. “their history shows that there is something seriously wrong with them”: this is so true and sad. It only takes a second to look around and see the world we’re living in, ruled by the so called white “culture& civilization”. I don’t comment very often, but I keep on reading.Thanks

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  2. Abagond,

    I believe your assessment of white people is true, both corporately and pervasively true of individual so-called white people. However, I wonder whether you start with the premise that human nature is basically good but flawed, or human nature is basically evil despite knowing right from wrong. Elijah Muhammad called whites devils and so did David Walker, but they had different anthropologies. What’s yours? Best wishes for a Happy New Year.

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  3. “their history shows that something is wrong with them” statement made me laugh,despite the issue surrounding it.
    White people have been brought up with this superior belief right from the day they are born,the images,the stories in books,the adverts on billboards etc show that having white skin is a badge of honor,its good to be white,the dollar notes have a white face presumably like the UK one,white=rich=powerful=success.
    Whereas its a common code of conduct to look down on blacks because blacks represent the opposite-therefore if they don’t value anything about you,they have no respect for you.
    In blatant terms white skin is beautiful and black skin is ugly.

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  4. Abagond, I think your point number one (narcissism) and the first point you listed (jokes, history) come together in the sense, that the white Americans would have to face the truth that their history is a history of cruelty and oppression, and that in turn would hit their collective self-esteem.

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  5. Why in the world did you repost this? You had a post on this a year or so back. That is what I wonder.

    Anyways this is a good article and post. I agree with it 100%

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  6. @ Adeen

    The old post has 1,778 comments. That means it loads so slowly on some machines that it becomes unusable. I restart the Open Thread when it gets over 1,000 comments for the same reason. There are a few other posts that have over 1,000 comments. I might repost those too if they still show life.

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  7. @ Adeen

    I would love to ban every troll, but I have no objective way to determine who is a troll. It is a judgement call which I could unwittingly abuse to throw out commenters I do not like for personal reasons.

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  8. Thanks a lot for making a second thread to this post, Abagond. The comments keep coming in and it made the post longer to load and comment.

    This is no doubt a serious ongoing topic of discussion, especially considering how the disdain and disrespect with blacks by whites continue. Though, I didn’t think that the thread would continue with new comments. Then again, it has been attracting some certain people who have a problem with this topic.

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  9. I look at the narcissism aspect and then I look at the siege mentality white Americans seem to collectively hold and the zero-sum POV they tend to see from. As a result, any sort of progress on part of black America that’s definitively distinct and incapable of being co-opted and eventually absorbed/neutralized by mainstream white America is seen in a defeat for white culture, whether or not anyone wants to acknowledge that as such.

    There’s the ever-present subconscious fear that, in the event that black America rises to a position of unchallenged power and strength, that all of the ills visited upon blacks will be dished out on white America ten-fold. It’s the same sort of subconscious fear that gripped white colonists in Africa and parts elsewhere. A black American in any sort of powerful capacity therefore represents a dire threat to white society’s comfortable position and overall well being.

    As a result, the imperative directive is to neuter black America’s collective self-esteem to prevent its collective rise in power and, with any hopes, carefully guide the community towards the same dark path that dead ends at the quiet and damn-near imperceptible slow-motion suicide of Native American people and culture. In the meantime, the unspoken goal is to maintain the black community the same as it ever was in America’s history: as a servant class to wealthier whites and a release valve/punching bag/scapegoat to minimize societal strife among lower-class whites.

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  10. If I hated a certain group of people I would not be coming to their blogs and highjacking the distasteful individuals comments. I would not be obsessed with the vile individuals that I have so much disdain for. I would not be lurking on their blogs.

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  11. Again, stating that blacks are all inherently innocent (victims of situation) and all problems are caused by an inherent flaw in white people (okay, you said “many.” The fact that you emphasized it demonstrates more that you’re trying to get the naysayers to stop pestering you about your apparent racism than you yourself actually believing it; if you hadn’t italicized it, it’d seem genuine) seems close-minded. Not saying that many white people are not inherently guilty of abominable thinking/behavior or that they’re not fundamentally flawed themselves, but your viewpoint seems overly simplistic. I think you’ve pointed this out before, but from what I understand racism was initially designed for convenience (white people justifying mistreatment of people of color), and through generations of indoctrination and people’s own selfish desires they clung to this mentality. Basically, you’re saying that many white people are fundamentally flawed because they caused and perpetrate racism (which isn’t necessarily true), I’m countering that many white people (and human beings) are flawed because they selfishly never let go of racism.
    …And saying all black people are victims of their situations (I’m not saying that they’re not) and therefore are all basically good is unfair and racist. Human beings are human beings, and saying that one group is all good is just as prejudiced as saying that they’re all bad

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  12. @Vajackster:

    Again, stating that blacks are all inherently innocent (victims of situation) and all problems are caused by an inherent flaw in white people (okay, you said “many.” The fact that you emphasized it demonstrates more that you’re trying to get the naysayers to stop pestering you about your apparent racism than you yourself actually believing it; if you hadn’t italicized it, it’d seem genuine) seems close-minded.

    Many people read into Abagond’s arguments with the belief that he’s condemning or attacking all whites, which rankles a lot of people. After all, you don’t want to be accused of racism if you don’t see yourself as a racist.

    But here lies the rub: if you don’t see yourself as a racist, yet happily participate in a society and system that behaves in a racist manner and actively promotes racist policies and actions, and on top of that, see yourself as exempt from discussions about racism because of a lack of personal responsibility, then of course you’ll be highly offended when someone makes what you’d see as a blanket accusation that’s seemingly aimed at you.

    And yet black Americans are expected to accept blanket declarations of who they are, what they are supposed to be and how they behave by the same people who wince when blanket accusations are tossed their way. Talk about having your cake and eating it in one bite.

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  13. @Mack Lyons,

    As always, you’re rockin’ with astute and poignant points!

    Abagond, have you considered writing a post about the historical and present day “ZERO SUM game(s)” that whiteness employs to maintain the status quo??

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  14. @ Vajackster

    abagond did not use the word “all” to describe all blacks or all whites. You read that in and based much of your point on that. And yes, the word “many” was used, not “all”. Maybe you would not have noticed it if it were not italicized.

    You said:

    I’m countering that many white people … are flawed because they selfishly never let go of racism.

    abagond said:

    And that gives it away: it is about white self-image.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems you agree with abagond on this point.

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  15. I never read this post before. I thought one of the reasons would be the paranoia and fear of white men in our culture. And the white women who buy into the patriarchy as prescribed by white men. Not that I disagree with your reasoning at all. It’s the gun obsession, fear of the government, libertarian, conservative, religiously obsessed very strange white guy thing that gets me. Suck it up and stop being such pussies.

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  16. Christine

    And dare I say you did not read it this time. Carry on.

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  17. Mack Lyons

    *Standing ovation.*

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  18. To Abagond:

    Why do many White Americans hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?

    Can you give a figure or a percentage for what you consider many…?

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  19. dave

    As long as you have been here and as ild as this post is I am absolutely surprised that you fell into the same trap that many (I didn’t care to read fly by commenters) do. Where did he say all? I mean please point this out to me.

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  20. Correction old

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  21. One thing I think a lot of people miss is identifying what exactly whiteness is. Most people seem to think that it’s synonymous with European descent, but as abagond has shown whiteness has changed its form and definition much in the past and almost certainly will continue to do so. I’m not insinuating abagond hasn’t already said pretty well as much, but we gotta start seeing whiteness for what it really is, which is a priveledged class of people who were originally just wasps and those very similar to them, but has and will likely continue to widen and accept increasingly different people into its ranks in return for helping keep blacks and others who are too different to accept down. Another price that is paid is being forced to betray your former roots, and cease being true to yourself. In my opinion whiteness is a disease and an addiction. Mind you this is not synonymous with being biologically European or middle eastern, but whiteness as an identity I believe is a sickness that causes damage to them, and even more to people of color around them.

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  22. @ Sharina

    What the hell? It’s strange. Plenty of commenters have pointed out that abagond is not using the word “all” and he even went out of the way to point out his intent not to in this post. It’s as if the white commenters WANT abagond to say “all” so they can attack that argument instead of the actual one presented. What’s wrong with them?

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  23. All I can say is this: This post distinctly says MANY whites, not all whites. If you are offended, take that as a lesson. And here’s why:

    PoC, especially black people, are negatively stereotyped no matter what. When black people say or mean all white people when it comes to racism or anything in that area that acknowledges the pain, suffering and destruction of PoC, and you get upset, hurt and offended, congratulations. You got a slight taste of how it feels to be negatively stereotyped.

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  24. To Kiwi:

    What the hell? It’s strange. Plenty of commenters have pointed out that abagond is not using the word “all” and he even went out of the way to point out his intent not to in this post.

    That’s why I asked for a percentage or a figure.. if he is being consistent with this post: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/all-whites-are-racist/
    then the figure is 95% which although not all is quite close to it. But by using the specific word and rather strong word hate I would suspect he thinks it’s less than 95%.

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  25. Actually, I meant to say, “When PoC” instead of “When black people”. My bad.

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  26. Can you give a figure or a percentage for what you consider many…?

    No offense, but I see this sort of nitpicking quantifying as an intentional derail from the topic at hand.

    Plenty of commenters have pointed out that abagond is not using the word “all” and he even went out of the way to point out his intent not to in this post. It’s as if the white commenters WANT abagond to say “all” so they can attack that argument instead of the actual one presented. What’s wrong with them?

    See the above. Plus, they’re just dying to see Abagond step on that blanket statement landmine. They’re less interested in discussing the topic at hand and more interested in a fervent tut-tutting of Abagond’s “racist” statements.

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  27. To Mack Lyons:

    No offense, but I see this sort of nitpicking quantifying as an intentional derail from the topic at hand.

    No offense taken.. I wanted Abagond to give some (potentially rough) percentage as an answer to many whites who posted before and will likely post again. And let’s say he think it’s 60% I will try to address what my experiences with whites (as a white guy..) have been regarding his points based upon the white people I have been around for the last 52 years. Yes.. it is true I could address them without a figure I know…. If he doesn’t want to come with a figure.. I understand.

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  28. PoC, especially black people, are negatively stereotyped no matter what. When black people say or mean all white people when it comes to racism or anything in that area that acknowledges the pain, suffering and destruction of PoC, and you get upset, hurt and offended, congratulations. You got a slight taste of how it feels to be negatively stereotyped.

    This, in a nutshell.

    Which is why I find it pretty damned funny when white Americans get upset over perceived blanket statements made against them, yet proceed to make blanket statements of their own about black Americans and expect others to take those statements as fact…no….gospel.

    But back to the question of why most (rememeber, most but not all) whites hate, demonize, fear and otherwise look down on blacks.

    Actually, I just thought of something: try asking the topic question on Topix, Yahoo or any other barely moderated hovel and see where the responses take you (or not. I wouldn’t blame you if you didn’t want to).

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  29. I wanted Abagond to give some (potentially rough) percentage as an answer to many whites who posted before and will likely post again. And let’s say he think it’s 60% I will try to address what my experiences with whites (as a white guy..) have been regarding his points based upon the white people I have been around for the last 52 years.

    Trying to distill the feelings of white American culture in general towards the black community down to a percentage not only sounds damn-near impossible (unless you want to be caught in a vicious feedback loop of nitpicking and clarification), but also cheapens the arguments and concerns brought forth by black Americans. We could spend all day trying to pin down an approximate percentage, but that’s not what this discussion is about and it would be a grave disservice to take it into that direction.

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  30. Mack Lyons:

    Trying to distill the feelings of white American culture in general towards the black community down to a percentage not only sounds damn-near impossible

    Here’s what Abagond said before…

    “All white Americans are racist. Well, at least 95%…”
    Now of course that doesn’t mean hate…I believe he thinks are fairly high percentage of white Americans fall under what he has described as colorblind racism.

    I understand your point but I thought I would ask…he can chose to reply or not… I won’t bring it up again if he doesn’t reply.

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  31. @ Uncle Milton

    The fact that you responded to my comment is priceless. When I wrote it, you were the one white commenter I did not have in mind as I could tell you were not implying abagond had said “all” whites. But clearly, it seems you thought I was referring to “all” the white commenters, hence your reply.

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  32. Kiwi

    But clearly, it seems you thought I was referring to “all” the white commenters, hence your reply.

    You mean white commenters such as Sam, Mira and a number of others who are big supporters of Abagond and his site…? No Kiwi I was not referring to all white commenters on this board.

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  33. @ Louis DeCaro Jr. @ Vajackster

    I think that blacks and whites in America are born with the same human nature, the same as everyone else in the world, one that is flawed and given to evil. YET whites want to think they are Basically Good. To achieve that, in the teeth of their ugly history, their culture has become profoundly warped, morally blind, racist, sick, deluded.

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  34. VaJackster said: “Basically, you’re saying that many white people are fundamentally flawed because they caused and perpetrate racism (which isn’t necessarily true).”

    Are you then saying that people who cause racial strife and perpetuate racism aren’t the problem by prolonging the scourge of racism? You certainly don’t’ make a whole lot of sense, if any at all. The manner in which you presented your post literally says that whites are incapable of not being a racist and that they are somehow innately programmed in such a way. This is a typical cop out. You shouldn’t treat the vast majority of the people who frfequent this board with such underhanded and passive contempt.

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  35. @ kiwi

    Like abagond told me on another thread….they are stuck on stupid.

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  36. To piggyback on this comment:

    All I can say is this: This post distinctly says MANY whites, not all whites. If you are offended, take that as a lesson. And here’s why:

    PoC, especially black people, are negatively stereotyped no matter what. When black people say or mean all white people when it comes to racism or anything in that area that acknowledges the pain, suffering and destruction of PoC, and you get upset, hurt and offended, congratulations. You got a slight taste of how it feels to be negatively stereotyped.

    You also know what it’s like when we don’t care if you are upset, hurt and offended just like your people don’t care when we get upset, hurt and offended and tell us to get over it or as Christine said “suck it up…” Why should we care about your feelings when it shows you don’t care about ours, and your white people for the most part never did care for years. So again, why should we give a damn?

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  37. @Brothawolf

    I have wondered if they know the difference between many and all. I have struggled with perhaps it is just they are ignorant, but no body is that darn ignorant. And people wonder why I don’t turn on my emotions enough to care about the whining babble that comes out of many of these trolls mouths. I thank you for giving them a nice summary on why.

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  38. Here is a conundrum, perhaps someone here could help me with??? How come White racists cite I.Q. tests and statistics to “prove” most Blacks are legally retarded, yet they get upset if we’re on welfare??? Isn’t retardation a qualifier for disability/welfare???
    ~So many Black criminals,(who are over-represented in our prison industrial complex) should get treatment instead of incarceration because of this “fact”, correct???
    (Who are over-represented because of poverty,marginalization,selective policing and prosecution)
    ~Whites tout drug testing for welfare recipients and those receiving unemployment yet no such tests for gun owners, not even a mental health exam. Yet EVERY time a White dude “goes postal” at a school,theater,mall,workplace or place of worship he is said to suffer from a mental disorder.
    ~If Blacks are overwhelmingly shiftless,lazy and like to abuse welfare how can so many hardworking, intelligent Whites lose their jobs to us because of Affirmative Action??? I wish they’d make up their minds,are most of us working via Affirmative Action,in jail or on welfare??? Surely all these “facts” can’t co-exist!!! Grab a narrative and ride it til you die, but please make sure it doesn’t contradict the one you said four breaths ago!!! 

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  39. In regards to the 1000 comments page load issue, it is but a symptom of another issue – capacity ,things ,devices and people have a limited capacity.
    specific example – if you go to some of the larger sites with in excess of

    10,000 comments ,how likely is your comment to seen and read by any but the most random of viewer/commenters, much less you having time/energy to read all 10,000+ on that one site?

    In regards to many/most/all nitpicking/derail ,most of the time being that its many and most white people ,it becomes all as the exceptions prove the rule,are rare and generally ineffective and powerless.

    Now even more on post topic – what is whiteness?
    its skin whiteness which is due to the lack of the pigment melanin.
    it is not an absolute condition – it varies by degrees or percentages just as
    its causal factor the varying intensity of sunlight exposure in relation to
    geographic location.

    white people are thus former black people that migrated north.
    but it seems esp in the european variant of our species to make one far more

    aggressive and aesthetically inferior – not a pleasant combination.

    “having MORE melanin gives you advantages biologically that people with LESS don’t have, like fewer genetic defects and mental disorders and the skin aging better and higher fertility rates.”

    this less last part taken from a comment of a respected colleague.

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  40. This was really hard to read, hard to hear, but I’ve been thinking about it and I believe you’re right. I’m a white person who doesn’t want to be racist and tries to persuade other white people to stop being racist– but I also recognize that bits of racism are still in me that need rooting out.

    When you’re part of a people that has been oppressing other people for a long, long time, you know deep down inside somewhere that you would deserve it if they fought back, if they retaliated. I think that’s where white fear of black people really comes from. Because we know that if what we’ve done to you was done to us, we’d feel justified in retaliating. So we can either hope that you will be forbearing and gracious and won’t retaliate– or we can try to control you some more to keep you from retaliating. Most of us choose the latter. I don’t want to be one of those who do.

    So there is something wrong with us– and it comes from generations of being bullies, raised by bullies and taught to be bullies. Generations of power corrupting. The sins of the fathers visited upon the children. I want to break that cycle by listening to all of you and trying my best to hear you without defensiveness.

    That’s about all I can say. I wish “I’m sorry” meant more, but I know it doesn’t. How could it? But I am sorry.

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  41. krwordgazer

    Admitting is always the first step. Welcome and if you want to learn anything there are those willing and open to help.

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  42. @krwordgazer

    I think you hit the nail on the head with your commentary. I think that is why white denial is so rampant. If you deny the ugly truth re: white history and global civilization then there is no need to right the wrong. And the status quo remains.

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  43. @krwordgazer: I can respect what you said, you were honest. I like that you are open and capable of reflection and think about fixing being a solution to the problem of racism.

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  44. * I like that krwordgazer is open to being the solution instead of keeping the problem of racism going.

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  45. Thank you all for your gracious words.

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  46. @krwordgazer

    I think you nailed the problem right in the center. White fear essentially stems from not knowing if or how blacks are going to react about any thing at any given time considering our generational history of being oppressed. Thank you for your courage and honesty!

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  47. Sharina,

    I wish I knew the genuine answer myself. I believe there are indeed some people that truly are that thoughtless. I also believe there are those who know, but don’t care. Then, there are those who know, but I think they pretend to not know just to get conversations heated.

    krwordgazer,

    Thanks for your comments. I can imagine it’s hard to come to terms with the reality, but like Sharina said, you were admitted to it. To me it’s the first step to true healing.

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  48. I disagree with the sentiment expressed in Adeen’s first post! Abagond, thanks for reposting this topic. It boggles my mind how so many Whites automatically are angry and hateful towards someone because they merely are dark-skinned or merely are “black”!

    The anger at hearing anything positive about blacks. The anger and discomfort they show at black people merely talking to each other or black women being seen as attractive. We’re not supposed to be friends with each other, like ourselves or each other or be liked by anyone, nor are we to hold any job, be able to get an education, etc

    What is it then..death?

    Also notice how whenever apartheid is brought up then whites start talking about AIDS in Africa. It’s BULL. Most Africans don’t have hiv/aids, nor are most dying. Heck, so many Asian nations are poorer, more corrupt, have higher malnutrition and poverty rates yet for white people their sites are always on Africa. it’s creepy and scary!

    They want to homosexualize black men, are uncomfortable with black men being with a black woman, want black women to be shunned and un-wanted it’s psychotic.

    and

    It’s not just some, it’s MOST!

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  49. Abagond,

    Thank you for this re-post and your question.

    From time-to-time, I’ve raised a similar rhetorical question that, to me, cuts out all the white noise (no pun intended) when comes to discussions/debates over racism (what is and what isn’t racism, etc., etc.).

    To me, once you consider the type of question you raised in the context of the history of racism in the USA, it becomes rather hard for people to play racism equation game. By that, I mean, the idea that Black people and White people are “equally” racist, etc.

    I really don’t see the value in such a comparison but the truth of the matter is that there is a clear difference between two and your questions get to the heart of the matter.

    A simple thought experiment should show you what I’m getting at. If we changed you question by reversing the races:

    Why do Blacks hate, demonize, fear and look down on Whites?

    Beyond any particular quibbles over whether Blacks “look down” on Whites, etc… one would be hard pressed not to come up with, perhaps, a rational explanation for Black, anti-White racism. Up thread, someone mentioned Elijah Muhammad’s “white devil” comments. As ugly, wrong and as hateful as those comments might be, it’s pretty clear that the very history of White, anti-black racism was the impetus and animating/motivating feature of the comment/attitude.

    So, if you were to ask: What did White people ever do to Black people for Black people to hate them (i.e. to be racist towards them) the way they do?

    I believe you’d find the answer in the history of White, anti-Black racism itself. The same cannot be said for origin or impetus of White, anti-Black racism.

    When you consider the American historical context and pose the question:

    What did Black people ever do to White people for White people to hate them (i.e. to be racist towards them) the way they do?

    I think you come up with blanks or, at least, something very different from the type of explanation you could come up with to explain Elijah Muhammad’s “white devil” comments/attitude.

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  50. What did White people ever do to Black people for Black people to hate them (i.e. to be racist towards them) the way they do?

    Black people r blessed of God, too bad we r the only ones who don’t know this, whites do, and that is why they have this “irrational” fear and hatred of us. And God

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  51. *cue twilight zone music*
    personally, the whole nephilim/clay people/descendants of ham issue leaves me flat out in the cold, i just can’t go there to all that aprocyrphal ‘i believe this’ or that thing,
    but down the store, we were having a fairly intense conversation about american history, like in american schools, you would learn about the louisiana purchase, it came up, but not about haiti (contemporaneous, close geographically, and politically and economically relevant) and all the invasions by the uk, france, and the united states, because it seems to me, a few words spoken to a child, in furtherance of the truth, would challenge the power strucutre of the whole country, it is mostly fear.

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  52. Abagond:

    I think that blacks and whites in America are born with the same human nature, the same as everyone else in the world, one that is flawed and given to evil.

    I would agree with the first part of your statement, except for the concept of human nature being “flawed”.

    It’s simply impossible for nature to be “flawed”; neither humans, rocks, amoebae, nor hydrogen atoms.

    The usage of such terms suggests a lack of frank, honest, and holistic understanding of human nature and it’s capacities and proclivities.

    Abagond:

    YET whites want to think they are Basically Good.

    So does nearly every other culture. Why should we expect any particular one of them to behave differently from all others?

    This question sits at the heart of my frequent queries about “double standards”.

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  53. This “Uncle Milton” character bugged me enough to respond because that was annoying as hell.

    Well how many? Well give me a number. Well how many? Give me a percentage. I just wanted a number. I just wanted Abagond to tell me how many?

    This type of bullshit churns my stomach. As one person points out – it’s classic derailment. It hijacks the conversation away from the real topic. I’d also like to point out that it’s the one true sign of a lazy racist.

    I think my question to you would be, what’s a number for you that would “many”. 100 white people? 1,000 white people? 1 million white people? Some arbitrary number in between.

    Is your premise that if Abagond can’t prove it’s “many” then the answer is really none? That no white people are racist enough in great enough numbers to impact the lives of black people collectively?

    You disgust me. You’re the worst kind of lazy racist because you cloak your bullshit in idle curiosity but what you’re really saying is, Prove it. Prove your so-called racism, humiliation. Prove the indignities all black people suffer. Give me even an approximate number that supports your claim and then MAYBE I’ll believe you – or more likely – you’d set out on a course to explain why that number or any number can’t possibly be true.

    You are six inches below a snake’s navel vile and I have no patience with this type of ignorance and idiocy. Abagond might. But I don’t. But he is much more gracious than I am.

    You are the reason that a lot of days I simply cannot stand to be in the presence of white people. The fakeness of white people becomes too much to bear to the point where it is actually sickening – to the point of making me want to vomit.

    You are transparent and I despise you.

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  54. not everyone believes that gnostic or xian idea that mankind is inheriently evil

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  55. @ Alicia

    I agree. I have been around whites who will talk trash about africa in front of blacks and will refuse to acknowledge how many white families r financially sitting pretty from robbing diamond, metals, and other minerals from the land
    Forcing the people to have to move elsewhere.

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  56. on Sat 4 Jan 2014 at 16:49:24 Black Nihilist

    Here is something that you guys may not have thought of, with respect to why do white people not like black people. I’ll take a page from the book of Jonah Lehrer.

    The book (How We Decide) talked about the brain (in a metaphorical sense) as having two systems. System 1 (Emotional) and System 2 (Analytical).

    Sometimes we use System 1 as a shortcut for system 2 when the amount of data is too much to deal with.

    He gave an example of describing two people that go out and have sex. The man wears a condom and the woman in on birth control pills. Oh, and one more thing: They happen to be brother and sister.

    Most people, when they read that will say: Eeeeeww. But there are actually logical/genetic reasons that you don’t have sex with a first degree relatives. But most of us don’t have time to take a class in Genetics before we make an evaluation on something.

    And so it is thus with many things related to black people. There are about 4 cases:

    Case 1. There will be something that is productive and some number of black people will move toward it until it reaches a tipping point and then loses all credibility. (This could be any country that is managed by black people. Zimbabwe. South Africa. Haiti. Or any city. Detroit, MI. Highland Park, MI. East St. Louis, IL. etc)

    Case 2. There will be something that is obviously stupid and previously extant, and it attracts disproportionately more black people. (Prison. Islam. Prislam.) Blacks are 13% of the population but 44.1% of inmates and 45.2% of recidivists. (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pji02.pdf)

    Case 3. There will be something that cannot be easily gauged and if you find that there are disproportionately more black people, then you’ll know that it is wrong. Conversely, if there is something that you know is right then there will be fewer to no black people. (Prislam. Islamic militancy.)

    Case 4. You can have some number of black people in some place, and nothing productive will happen.

    Nigeria. (Independence, 1963. GDP per capita: $3002).
    Kenya. (Independence, 1963. GDP Per capita: $1802.)
    Zimbabwe. (Independence, 1983. GDP per capita: $589).
    Haiti. (Independence, 1825. GDP per capita; $1242.)

    But then you look at the two former colonies below (where there are no black people in sight in the running of the country), and what do you see?

    Hong Kong (Independence, 1997. GDP per capita: $52687)
    Singapore (Independence, 1963. GDP Per capita: $61046)

    So what does all this mean? To make a long story short, there is SO MUCH bad everywhere one sees black people.

    Most people (including white people, but not only them) will know *that* there is something wrong but not know *why* (or care why) it is wrong.

    They will use the emotional part of their brain (System 1) as a shortcut and the reaction is contempt/ disgust/ hatred.

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  57. Many and all are two different things. He said many not all whites. Reading is so fundamental.

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  58. on Sat 4 Jan 2014 at 17:50:49 Black Nihilist

    Quote “I agree. I have been around whites who will talk trash about africa in front of blacks and will refuse to acknowledge how many white families r financially sitting pretty from robbing diamond, metals, and other minerals from the land”

    Reply: You have to admit, the reason that whites (and others) are able to make purchases on such favorable terms is because the Africans are not, um, ,so competent. (The information from the last posting.) Just look at those morons in Sudan. They couldn’t even keep the country running long enough to get someone in to get the oil (and the South Sudan does have the most oil).

    Nigeria: Can’t even get the oil infrastructure in good enough shape to get oil out of the country.

    How stupid can you be? How can you mess that up?

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  59. @Black Nihilist

    Does it have to do with competence or poor training? If someone has never dealt with such a matter I doubt they will magically know what to do and how to do it. Though I imagine that moron is a word that can greatly be used in more than one situation.🙂

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  60. @mary burrell

    Exactly. It happened so many times I really should not be surprised but dang. On top of that I think even the Many is based on his encounters.

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  61. deepdkchocolate said: “Black people r blessed of God, too bad we r the only ones who don’t know this, whites do, and that is why they have this “irrational” fear and hatred of us. And God.”

    Amen and thank you for that Sista!

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  62. This still doesn’t answer the question. Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?

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  63. @Yasin

    Was it meant to?

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  64. Whites demonize, hate, fear and look down on Blacks due to years of European colonialism, slavery and racism and the fact that Whites hate and envy Blacks at the same time. I really don’t understand their fascination yet hatred of us. And honestly I never will understand their hatred for my people.

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  65. on Sat 4 Jan 2014 at 20:43:06 King of Trouble

    I have just come up against this whole black people in general are more violent issue recently in discussion. I once again open my mouth and found trouble. I have officially been declared a racist.

    All I said was fine maybe we are but it is only because we are trying to catch-up to few centuries of European culture. I think we missed out on those good times of going to other countries raping, stealing, and pushing people off their own land. Not to mention we have missed continental genocide. I guess, we just have lackluster violence but maybe just maybe one day we will catch up. Enslave nations of people, and tell them that it is for their own good because of course we know better how to manage. Then I know we will hit our enlighten age where we can say that stuff was in the pass. You should feel bad for bringing up now.

    I was sick, and my patience was wearing thin. Still, I think having to hear how violent I am just got to me. I am not the Yang to your Ying is all I wanted to say. You are no angel and I am not quite the devil so I just get tired of repetitive b.s. and no you don’t get a pass by saying oh we weren’t talking about you!

    This is probably why this section is so popular because I believe it attracts trolls like bees to honey.

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  66. « The top posts in 2013
    Why do Blacks hate, demonize, fear and look down on whites?
    Thu 2 Jan 2014 by abagond

    Repost: This was first posted two years ago today. With 1,778 comments, its thread is no longer usable. I am closing the original to comments and reposting it here. Only the “See also” section has been changed – I still agree with what I said in the original post:
    Why do many Black Americans hate, demonize, fear and look down on whites? I am no scientist or scholar, but here is I how I currently think about it. This post is very much a work in progress.
    There are plenty of things that keep black racist thinking in place:
    • Racist messages in jokes, history books, the news and on television, etc,
    • Material self-interest,
    • Fear of becoming an outcast among blacks
    and so on. But this is not the heart of the matter.
    Not even material self-interest. After all, plenty of poor blacks are racist. About all they have to show for it is this: “At least I’m not white.” And that gives it away: it is about black self-image.
    My current understanding of the black self-image:
    1. Narcissism – having no true sense of self-worth they put up a false front to persuade the world, and most of all themselves, that they do have worth. They mainly do this through money, but also by putting down others to make themselves look better. Deep down they know the whole thing is a lie, which makes them all the more desperate to uphold the front.
    2. Dichotomous thinking – either/or thinking. Their films often have characters who are either all good or all evil. When you ask them about it they say that of course they know the world is not that simple, that it is just a storytelling device. Yet much of their thinking is very either/or, black-or-white. The One Drop Rule is a good example. So is their idea that they are Basically Good, getting upset when you point out anything that does not fit that overblown self-image. Like that maybe they are racist. Worst of all, it means they cannot accept people who are too different: if you are not the same as us then there must be something wrong with you. Either/or.
    3. Moral blindness – this is huge. Every single white person in the eyes of black people is the sign of a terrible crime from their ugly past, a reminder that their life is a fraud, that they are pretty much nothing more than armed robbers. But #1 and #2 make it hard for them to simply own up to their past and make it right. Instead they deny, shift blame, lie, twist facts and make white people into these creatures that they look down on, laugh at and yet, oddly, fear. It is a failed attempt to be at peace with themselves. This is why blacks need to get reparations more than whites need to receive it.
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with white people other than the bad patch of history they are going through, its side effects and the ordinary human failings. It is black people who have a deep crack in their souls.
    I know that sounds extreme – partly because we have “black is beautiful” pounded into our heads night and day – but their history shows that there is something seriously wrong with them.
    See also:
    • The hearts of black people, part II
    • The “not all blacks” argument
    • The five walls of racism
    • black thought patterns:
    o dichotomous thinking
    o moral blindness
     John Trudell: When Columbus got off the boat
    o One Drop Rule
    o Basically Good
    o “Black is beautiful”
    o “Stereotypes have some truth to them”
    • Black personality:
    How to become black
    o narcissistic personality disorder

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  67. abagond pointed out that even poor whites look down on blacks, meaning that materialism has nothing to do with it. Similarly, even whites married to blacks look down on blacks. They learn to see their spouses and children as not being like “the other blacks” because they are half-white. That way, they can continue to look down on blacks in general. White people hang onto their own whiteness even if they marry nonwhites because being white is a part of their self-worth. This self-worth is culturally and historically built on putting down nonwhites.

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  68. @v-4

    Are you planning on making a blog witg that title? Or are you looking to see how blacks will respond to it?

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  69. @kiwi

    Very welk said.

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  70. Correction well

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  71. I have officially been declared a racist.

    Take that as a compliment as you have struck a chord with the jackazz who declared you as such. That is another ploy used to derail any discussion about their racism, flipping the script and calling the offendee the offender..

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  72. @kiwi: I agree with that.

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  73. LOL! I just looked at V-4’s post. Very funny, trying to flip the script. It doesn’t work that way, due to the inequality of racism. If everything were equal, there would be no race problem.

    “At least I’m not white.”

    AHAHA! Plenty of nonwhites with internalized racism have wished they were white. In nonwhite majority countries like Jamaica and China, having lighter skin or looking whiter is considered a sign of wealth and class.

    There are plenty of things that keep black racist thinking in place:
    • Racist messages in jokes, history books, the news and on television, etc,

    This one made me snicker and reminded me of a white commenter who was complaining about the “blackwashed media” when abagond gave advice to whitewashed people. I didn’t know Hollywood was dominated by old black men.

    I know that sounds extreme – partly because we have “black is beautiful” pounded into our heads night and day

    Yeah, right. Night and day? You don’t see very many black Miss Americas, do you?

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  74. Abagond,

    “There is absolutely nothing wrong with black people other than the bad patch of history they are going through, its side effects and the ordinary human failings. It is white people who have a deep crack in their souls.”

    Isn’t this saying white people are uniquely evil?

    White people are going through the same bad patch of history. Why do you believe the masses of white people would be immune to racist ideology if there wasn’t some deep crack in their souls when black people with their intact souls by into anti-black racism just as readily?

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  75. There have been several black Miss Americas.

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  76. “…flipping the script and calling the offendee the offender.”
    _ _ _

    Oh my but does that have a familiar ring to it! LOL!

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  77. on Sun 5 Jan 2014 at 02:29:55 Black Nihilist

    @Sharina.

    It is more likely to do with low IQ/ intelligence. The thing is: So many Asian countries started out poor, but they don’t stay that way. (Korea. China.) Neither of those two examples have resource wealth.

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  78. @ mary burrell

    Cool! But they can only be found among a sea of white faces, illustrating the nonsense in saying “black and beautiful” is pounded in our heads.

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  79. @ Black Nihilist

    Western imperialism in Africa was much more extreme than Western imperialism in Asia. Being right next to Europe meant colonial powers could keep their feet right on the throats of Africans and prevent them from uplifting themselves, like through education. Similarly, Western imperialism in Southeast Asia was more intense than Western imperialism in East Asia. Accordingly, Southeast Asia’s economic success does not compare to that of East Asia’s today. Yet another comparison could be made of China and India. India does much poorer than China, but then again, India was monopolized by the British whereas China was fought over by various European powers. A lot of this can be attributed to geographical proximity.

    Also, being a resource-rich but economically poor country is usually a curse. More powerful countries are tempted to take over and exploit the resources, like the land and the people. We see this still going on in Africa today, with Western “aid” chaining Africans by making them dependent on foreign powers. America occupied Japan very briefly. But then again, Japan is resource-poor. A similar story is when Colonel Custer fought the Lakota Sioux for their land. The reason he did so was because the US government wanted the gold underneath the Natives’ land. What should have been a blessing for the Natives (gold) turned out to be a curse (genocide).

    Also, Jews had low IQs when they arrived in America. Now that they have become white, their IQs have gone up. IQ is not always a causative agent. It often is also a result of environmental factors, like colonialism and racism.

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  80. @ Black Nihilist

    Modern Western imperialism in Africa is often accomplished by manipulating local leaders. Western powers will throw a bone out to anyone who is willing to bite and will then use those individuals to control the region. The “stupid” “low IQ” African leaders you are referring to are the result of neo-colonial leadership selection. Of course they would have to be stupid in order to be used as puppets. Or they’re selling out to line their own pockets. Many wars in North America between European settlers and Natives had different Native ethnicities fighting each other. Europeans had so much power that they could manipulate the indigenous peoples into killing each other. Hernan Cortez is one example. Most of his soldiers were Native groups who were enemies of the Aztecs. Personally, I always found it interesting how the African politcal borders were drawn by Europe to be “bite sized” pieces optimized for being controlled.

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  81. To ThatDeborahGirl:

    Well how many? Well give me a number. Well how many? Give me a percentage. I just wanted a number. I just wanted Abagond to tell me how many?

    Well, in a previous post, which I linked, he gave a percentage of how many whites in the US he felt were racist (95%) and why he felt that was a ball park figure. I didn’t nitpick with that post and I wasn’t going to with this one. But as I said if he didn’t feel like responding with a figure I wasn’t pursue the question again.

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  82. Randy
    said
    “I would agree with the first part of your statement, except for the concept of human nature being “flawed”.

    It’s simply impossible for nature to be “flawed”; neither humans, rocks, amoebae, nor hydrogen atoms.

    The usage of such terms suggests a lack of frank, honest, and holistic understanding of human nature and it’s capacities and proclivities.”

    makes sense to me,but I’m an atheist and abagond is a religious christian.
    the part about a rock being flawed is what got me ,flawed how? it a rock!

    – and given to evil – as apoosed to just bad and good,whenever I hear or read the word evil I know I’m dealing with the religious – whose reasoning is inherently flawed.

    Abagond:

    YET whites want to think they are Basically Good.

    So does “nearly” every other culture. Why should we expect any particular one of them to behave differently from all others?

    and where when and what culture or even lifeform does not think they are basically ,generally good.
    how could anyone think or choose to think they are basically bad or mostly bad and yet go on living – anything less than I’m mostly okay seem to make self destruction (sucide) inevitable.

    adeen
    “I really don’t understand their fascination yet hatred of us. And honestly I never will understand their hatred for my people.”

    so you don’t have the capacity to learn and grow?!

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  83. @MBeti

    I do have the capacity to grow and learn. I am still young. I am not stupid. Geez. I am sick of the older people on here thinking I am stupid.

    I just don’t understand why Whites hate us but they mimic our features and the way we talk and dress. That gets me upset and leaves me wondering what is up with these people.

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  84. I have to prove to myself everyday that I am smart in the White world but it is worse when your own people think you are stupid. It really gets me upset!

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  85. on Sun 5 Jan 2014 at 08:18:46 Black Nihilist

    @Kiwi.

    “Being right next to Europe meant colonial powers could keep their feet right on the throats of Africans and prevent them from uplifting themselves, like through education.” *** But then why did Africans not build civilizations that were strong enough to repel Europeans? I think you are confusing cause and effect.

    “Similarly, Western imperialism in Southeast Asia was more intense than Western imperialism in East Asia. Accordingly, Southeast Asia’s economic success does not compare to that of East Asia’s today.”
    *********Well, the Indian IQ is also much lower than the Chinese/ Korean IQ. So then, there’s that explanation, too. Wither Singapore? They were FULLY colonized by the British. The Malays, too.

    “Yet another comparison could be made of China and India. India does much poorer than China, but then again, India was monopolized by the British whereas China was fought over by various European powers. A lot of this can be attributed to geographical proximity.”

    **** IQ can explain it just as well.

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  86. on Sun 5 Jan 2014 at 08:21:50 Black Nihilist

    @Kiwi

    “Modern Western imperialism in Africa is often accomplished by manipulating local leaders. Western powers will throw a bone out to anyone who is willing to bite and will then use those individuals to control the region.”

    *****But then that begs the question: If they are leaders, then they should be head and shoulders above the run of the mill African. If you assumed that the whole African population had an IQ of something like 70, then you would expect that people in the top 5% would have an IQ of about 97. That’s enough to be manipulated.

    Again: Why didn’t they have the structures in place that made it such that they could defend themselves.

    “The “stupid” “low IQ” African leaders you are referring to are the result of neo-colonial leadership selection. Of course they would have to be stupid in order to be used as puppets. Or they’re selling out to line their own pockets. Many wars in North America between European settlers and Natives had different Native ethnicities fighting each other. Europeans had so much power that they could manipulate the indigenous peoples into killing each other. Hernan Cortez is one example. Most of his soldiers were Native groups who were enemies of the Aztecs. Personally, I always found it interesting how the African politcal borders were drawn by Europe to be “bite sized” pieces optimized for being controlled.”

    ****Ok, so why wasn’t the leadership that was already in place smart enough to see through that?

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  87. @ Solesearch and Legion

    “White people” have several things going for them that other groups do not, globally. They include:

    1. Imperialism

    2. Media empire

    3. Economic dominance

    4. Military dominance

    5. Genocide on multiple continents

    6. Race-based slavery

    7. Massive brain gain

    Anti-blackness seems to exist among all kinds of nonwhites, including blacks, but they have not developed a culture that engages in all of these things at once with such pervasiveness. In fact, much of the anti-blackness I witness among other nonwhites seems to give white people a pass.

    We can certainly question the value of focusing on white domination, the current paradigm that has been in place for 500 years. I should point out, though, that we could also question how certain people believe that blacks are uniquely oppressed, or that America is uniquely racist. Both viewpoints have been expressed on this blog.

    Personally, I have never imagined anti-racism as a bunch of blacks huddling together, gushing goodness. It looks more like an abused person trying to remove the foot that the abuser has on their throat, and the abuser trying to keep the foot there.

    I think I see what is meant when questioning whether it really is only whites who have a crack in their souls. Being a whitewashed person, it felt like I had a crack in my soul, and it was a very painful period to live through. I certainly bought into anti-black racism. Last time I used the Harvard IAT implicit prejudice test, I found that I had a preference for whites over blacks. I left a post on that thread if you want to check.

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  88. @ Black Nihilist. It’s not about I.Q.. It’s about economics. Who controls the resources and what economic engines are used.

    India suffered from colonialism, became freed and adopted socialist economics for about forty years. They are now “free market” and because of it the poverty level their is declining.

    “According to a 2011 poverty Development Goals Report, as many as 320 million people in India and China are expected to come out of extreme poverty in the next four years, with India’s poverty rate projected to drop from 51% in 1990 to about 22% in 2015. [6] The report also indicates that in Southern Asia, only India is on track to cut poverty by half by the 2015 target date.[6]”

    Your fixation with I.Q. is race realism, the argument behind supremacy.

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  89. @ Black Nihilist

    You are the one confusing cause and effect. IQ has been proven to be a result of environmental factors. Low IQ can be seen as an indicator of disadvantaged circumstances.

    Why didn’t they have the structures in place that made it such that they could defend themselves.

    Ok, so why wasn’t the leadership that was already in place smart enough to see through that?

    I’ll compare Africa and Europe to a rape victim and a rapist. Europe used to rape Africa frequently and has stopped, but is now psychologically abusing Africa. Should I ask the rape victim “Why weren’t you smart enough to defend yourself from rape?” “Why couldn’t you see and avoid psychological abuse?” It comes across as blaming the victim.

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  90. If IQ were so deterministic, then America would not be the world superpower. America scores dead last in math and science education among all the rich countries. America doesn’t collapse because it sucks all the brain drain immigrants from other countries. That’s political manipulation. I should know. My family is a part of that brain drain.

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  91. @ Legion

    You said you didn’t understand the statement. My understanding is that it’s one of the main premises of anti-racism, the theme of this blog, although the statement itself is flawed because whites are not the only ones to “have cracks in their souls” nor are blacks inherently good. I should have mentioned that the statement was a declaration of anti-racism first.

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  92. on Sun 5 Jan 2014 at 10:23:29 Black Nihilist

    @Kiwi. Can you show me where it is demonstrated that the US scores dead last in Math? And for ht

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  93. on Sun 5 Jan 2014 at 10:30:02 Black Nihilist

    @Kiwi

    Here are the international students who go to the United States every year.

    http://www.iie.org/en/Services/Project-Atlas/United-States/International-Students-In-US

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  94. on Sun 5 Jan 2014 at 10:44:57 Black Nihilist

    @Kiwi

    Same here. You aren’t really talking about anything, and I need to go have dinner.

    The topic of IQ and income has been THOROUGHLY explored (1) as has the relationship between IQ and national income (2). Garrett Jones. Richard Lynn. JP Rushton. Tatu Vanhanen.

    In any case, I made a much more subtle argument about the REASON that almost everyone hates black people. It was based on the Jonah Lehrer / Daniel Kahnemann books

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  95. @ Black Nihilist

    If what you claim regarding IQs is true, how do you explain the high average incomes and university entrance scores of Indians living in the US, UK and Australia?

    How do you explain the high HSC results achieved by Vietnamese Australian students who, according to you, have low IQs?

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  96. @ Kiwi

    I don’t understand how attracting bright people people to move to the US is racist.

    It’s certainly aggressively nationalist as it seeks to consolidate all of the best human resources within one country. Obviously this has a negative economic impact on the source countries which lose many of their best innovators and thinkers. It’s happened to Australia, which loses thousands of the best university graduates to the UK and the US every year.

    But how is this racist? I must be missing something here.

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  97. It seems a bit like advising blacks to huddle together under an assumed halo of inherent, (though mysteriously concealed) ‘goodness’ and soothe each other by wagging a collective finger at “white people.” Is that supposed to be a stratagem?

    No, it does not seem like anything of the such. No honest reading of the statement especially in context would have you or anyone reading/arguing in good-faith claiming that Abagond’s statement was any kind of advice or stratagem. Obviously, that’s how you want to reinterpret his statement in bad faith, of course.

    There’s clearly no attempt by you to address the actual subject of the commentary:
    Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?

    Instead, you’ve chosen to traffic in the type of mindset that falls well within the category of the “look down on blacks” kind of things. Surely, your suggestion is by your rhetorical question (Is that supposed to be a stratagem?) is that it is a bad strategy. Likewise, the blacks huddling together to soothe each other imagery is a similar type of mockery.

    That’s a direct and obvious interpretation of your words. No filters, agenda or “stratagem” needed.

    As for the “assumed halo or inherent goodness”…. Again, that’s a bad faith argument/statement. You can either choose to deal with whatever problem you have with Abagond’s statement honestly or just be a coward and continue your dishonest approach.

    It’s clear from Abagond’s statement that there was no “assumed halo or inherent goodness” for Blacks, mysteriously concealed or otherwise. Either contend with his statement and explain how there is something inherently wrong with Black people that can’t be seen as part of the bad patch of history they are going through, its side effects and [their] ordinary human failings or go find your own huddle to cry in.

    Make an actual argument or (do as you’ve done and) don’t.

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  98. ^^^^ My post above was @ Legion. ^^^^

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  99. wordynerdygirl:

    How do you explain the high HSC results achieved by Vietnamese Australian students who, according to you, have low IQs?

    In countries with merit-based immigration policies, one would expect that emigres and their children would demonstrate high scholastic performance.

    The real problem in these debates about IQ is the concept of “confounding variables”.

    Pointing out how environment can lower IQ is not sufficient to successfully counter the argument that one particular population has a lower average IQ than another due to genetics.

    From what I’ve read, it appears as though micronutrition and parasite load can play a non-trivial role in the cognitive function of populations of people, but unpacking those effects from all others appears to be yet infeasible.

    Stated another way, it doesn’t appear as though there is sufficient data to definitively prove either the genetic argument or the environmental argument.

    Adeen:

    I have to prove to myself everyday that I am smart in the White world but it is worse when your own people think you are stupid.

    In the natural world, every creature must prove its worth at all times. One should not expect the human sphere to be markedly different.

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  100. abagond been said people are inherently flawed i think “evil” is the term, ima let that one be

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  101. @ Randy

    Refugees form the bulk of the Vietnamese Australian population. My own husband was a refugee, although he arrived in Australia as a young child.

    I assume Vietnamese Americans are also largely humanitarian migrants/the sons and daughters of humanitarian migrants.

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  102. my learning has leaned towards zero sum i said this before
    we all committing suicide in the hood

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  103. takin it under advisement

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  104. STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS

    @Black Nihilist AND v8driver are olfay supremacist all they do is point out how inferior they are to black people by using false statistics to further their hatred for black people. They hate and fear stories about Tolu, Tokunbo, Tobi, and Temi, Ogunsanyas, or the twins Paula and Peter Imafidon BLACK TWINS WAY superior to white children. Their hatred for their mothers boyfriend comes out on your blog. Their self hatred comes out on your blog, and they are so scarred that an Africa might re-enslave whites and ACTUALLY MAKE THEM WORK. So they try to mess with your mind about IQ FACT whites are on the bottom as far as IQ is concerned. Read Iceman Inheritance : Prehistoric Sources of Western Man’s Racism, Sexism and Aggression BY A CAUCASION!!! AGAIN ITS Iceman Inheritance : Prehistoric Sources of Western Man’s Racism, Sexism and Aggression. Read it and YOUR IQ WILL GO UP TEN POINTS!!!

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  105. STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS

    @Black Nihilist AND v8driver BE QUITE we know stormfront sucks, and it MUST BE HARD TO LIVE BEING SO UGLY why exactly are you here WHY,? I’LL TELL YOU AND EVERYONE INFERIORITY COMPLEX !!!

    inferiority complex

    1. (Psychiatry) psychiatry a disorder arising from the conflict between the desire to be noticed and the fear of being humiliated, characterized by aggressiveness !!!!!

    GET IT, GOT IT, GO AWAY.

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  106. can it be a ‘street smarts’ section on the iq test?

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  107. just stayin….

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  108. @v8driver what about a hillbilly test where everyone just quotes favorite lines from white trash shows like duke of hazard !!!

    just “sayin”

    to everyone else not retarded look up “Judge Throws Out Convictions of 5 New Orleans Cops After ‘Grotesque Misconduct’ by Prosecutors” to see the redneck in action!!!

    Funny how they do this to civilians ALL THE TIME and nobody gets their conviction tossed. When police fail to uphold their responsibilities, they should be punished more harshly than others.

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  109. Legion, I thinks Abagond’s meaning is pretty plain. The only confusing thing is that it contradicts his whites aren’t uniquely evil argument.

    I don’t see anything ridiculous in the “stratagem” of convincing black people that they aren’t the subhuman savages white supremacy teaches them they are.

    But then he flips the script and says it is whites who have a “deep crack in their souls”. That is what I find ridiculous.

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  110. Black Nihilist

    Sorry but your response to me still does not tell me what iq has to do woth the situation. Though I will ask…how did you fair when you were in that situation? Since I assume you were and know how to deal with it quickly and effectively.

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  111. Excuse my typos

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  112. “In any case, I made a much more subtle argument about the REASON that almost everyone hates black people.”—actually you made an argument on IQ (which is only reasonable to racist and race realist). Even yhat was faulty.

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  113. on Sun 5 Jan 2014 at 16:36:12 Black Nihilist

    You haven’t read the whole forum.

    Read the post at: Sat 4 Jan 2014 at 16:49:24 Black Nihilist

    That answers the question.

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  114. When you’re part of a people that has been oppressing other people for a long, long time, you know deep down inside somewhere that you would deserve it if they fought back, if they retaliated. I think that’s where white fear of black people really comes from. Because we know that if what we’ve done to you was done to us, we’d feel justified in retaliating.

    I honestly see the reasoning here, but what about the growing trend of white people (especially white women) moving into ALL Black neighborhoods? Wouldn’t they fear the Big Black Man pursuing them? I have also seen countless white couples move into Black residential areas with no qualms. They walk their dogs, go jogging and etc. around all these scary Black folks who have guns, dreadlocks, sagging pants, are more likely to be committing crimes (*for those who are aware they will get the sarcasm here*), etc…

    I’m sorry i just don’t buy that white people “fear” Black people argument. That line of reasoning is a smokescreen for a larger issue.

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  115. ^You don’t pursue and invade people you are afraid of.

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  116. on Sun 5 Jan 2014 at 17:43:14 Lwanda Magere

    https://ose.utsc.utoronto.ca/ose/story.php?id=2135

    That link is to a study conducted by the University of Toronto on mirror neuron activity. All of the participants are White. Before the study was conducted, all of the participants were administered a test that measures subtle racism. The study found that Whites lack empathy for non-Whites. All participants showed low level of neural response for the chosen stimulus in the study. Many participants showed neural activity equivalent to watching a blank wall. The activity level was lowest for those who scored highly on the subtlty test, but activity was low across the board for all participants. So anyone looking to take issue with blanket statements about White racism, look no fuether than the above study, conducted by White people. The majority of Whites are racist, and if one uses this study as a sample population to determine “figures”, then all Whites are racist to some degree.

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  117. @ phoebeprunelle

    “You don’t pursue and invade people you are afraid of.”

    You can when their is a police force that protects Whites wherever they choose to live. POC don’t have that privilege.

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  118. Man, talk about the price of tea in China, what does I.Q. levels have to do with the topic of this post?

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  119. I think this conversation about IQ ect attempts to derail the thread.

    I see it as confirmation of “Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?” Race realism is justification for their hate/fear and domination.

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  120. @sharina: My sentiments exactly.

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  121. I don’t think they are 100% afraid of black people I think they are more afraid of karma. when blacks fought back during slavery they became scared before that they were ok being around blacks. They had blacks in their houses and on their property during slavery but after they would kill a black person for stepping foot on their property. whites have been going to black areas and invading our spaces and continue to do so. they would come into black neighborhoods to have s3x, dance, and experience the culture. Malcolm x talked about how whites would come to the black clubs at night to be with black people especially white women.

    There will always be some whites that feel ok being around blacks some of it is because they feel they are accepted others do it out of arrogance or to prove they are open minded.
    some do fear blacks and those are the ones that clutch their purse and walk on the other side of the street. there are some that are not afraid but are racist and arrogant, those are the ones that say racist things and don’t fear any backlash or say racist things to people’s face.

    white flight is what some do because they don’t like being around others not always out of fear. I think the whites that do stick around or move in do so because they feel accepted or because they know that neighborhood will be white again someday aka gentrification.

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  122. *Oops typos in above comment. What do i.q. levels have to do with this topic?

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  123. and they do so because they have the complexion for protection and if any black person does hurt them the law will be on them asap. heck there are whites that are friends with blacks and they get pulled over and the officer asks if they are alright.
    Then there are blacks that will hurt another black person before they lay a hand on a white person because they’ve been trained that black life isn’t worth as much as white. And a lot of black ppl take it out on other black people and will not attack white supremacy then there are blacks that will protect whites from other blacks no matter the cost. that is how a lot of slave revolts were prevented was the blacks that were brainwashed to protect white at all costs would tell on the ones that were going to fight back.

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  124. You can when their is a police force that protects Whites wherever they choose to live. POC don’t have that privilege.

    That’s not the point. White people living in Black areas don’t call the police frequently on their Black neighbors…

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  125. can ofay be a moderation word

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  126. I think this conversation about IQ ect attempts to derail the thread.

    It is and I don’t know why IQ even entered into the conversation in the first place. At any rate, I see IQ as a very poor indicator of intelligence among entire groups of people and as a ready-made excuse for others to otherwise condemn said groups as not being intelligent enough as a whole to merit respect.

    ^You don’t pursue and invade people you are afraid of.

    As I said before, it’s the fear of what the black community would do to them if they ever achieved a socio-economic majority throughout the entire country. They’re not going to be afraid of a few blacks on their block or even entire blocks of blacks – at least not as long as they can count on law enforcement and the justice system to help them out in their time of need. When even a photogenic platinum-blonde white teenager with well-connected and well-heeled parents can’t get satisfaction against blacks in the justice system, then all bets are off.

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  127. Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?

    Whites hate on blacks because this is what they’ve been taught to do so and it’s a generational learned behavior on how to approach blacks.

    Whites demonize blacks because whites must always be seen as inherently GOOD and blacks as being inherently BAD not only within these United Empire of States but globally as well. How else could whites provide the required maintenance for the phenomenon of white supremacy?

    Whites do not necessarily much fear blacks as much as they mistrust blacks. It seems that most whites mistrust us stems largely from of tortured interaction (Middle passage, slavery, rebellions, Jim Crow, etc.).

    Whites look down on blacks because it’s a learned behavior; it’s an acceptable norm on their part stemming from this country’s socially racist, relational construct.

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  128. @ mstoogood4yall

    I grew up in a city that experienced white flight, so I’m not sure if karma is at play here, given that most whites are amnesic about the history of Asian Americans. I think abagond had it right when he said that whites are uncomfortable with people who are different. That definitely seems to be a major factor in my experience.

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  129. @Black Nihilist

    “You haven’t read the whole forum”—My concern was not with the whole forum now was it? My concern was in your response to me. Though I will take a look at what you provided and respond accordingly.🙂

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  130. @Black Nihilist

    Ok read it and it does not answer my question as to what IQ has to do with the situation? He basically sees something wrong and questions on why, but there is no say on what that why is and frankly no real research conducted to determine the actual WHY. What I have basically concluded is that I can write a book with no real research and dress it up in an educated suit and have people take it for the truth. Simply by comparing one group to other group. As to your 2002 stats, there are more current ones and I believe blacks make up 14%.🙂

    Now for those that know a bit more than me please do enlighten me on the comparative situation between Nigeria, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Haiti and Hong Kong ,Singapore. I am curious on if they dealt with the same struggles etc.

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  131. @v8driver

    All ebonics are moderated words.

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  132. Unsure why my comment is in moderation.

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  133. @mary burrell

    IQ has absolutely nothing to do with the topic period, but black Nihilist brought it up for whatever purpose. I believe as a means to show why whites don’t like blacks etc. Though I am still not really seeing the individuals point.

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  134. @ wordynerdygirl

    I agree that brain drains are a result of nationalism. To add to that, America has a legacy of being a “white” country (similar to Australia). So that same nationalism is commonly associated with a white supremacist ideology. When you have a white majority country pulling in the best and brightest minds from across a nonwhite majority world, what we have is the smartest nonwhites working for whites and helping to build “their” countries/empires. For example, Silicon Valley, the world’s leading high tech center, is 50% foreign born, with the majority of its engineers being Asian. The vast majority of them work under white employers and are routinely denied leadership positions in spite of their qualifications, like my family. When my father came to this country, he was given only half the wages of his white coworkers. Even now that he is an American citizen, he is regularly denied promotion and works under white managers who are far younger and have less experience than him. So this is not just a case of xenophobia, but also racism.

    The irony is that white racists would normally tell Asian immigrants to just “go back to China”. But in this case, it is not so simple. Taiwan (where my parents are from) underwent an economic boom during the 90s, after they had left. Sometimes my family wonders whether we would be richer had we stayed and I am left to wonder whether I could have avoided white American racism altogether. But even so, America’s brain drain and its children leaving would have devastating consequences for the country. 70% of engineering PhDs in the US are foreign born. If America’s brain drain left, the scientific and technological establishment would collapse, leaving America poorer, and white Americans would be left wondering what happened to their empire. This is already happening as Chinese and Indian students are leaving back home for better opportunities and to avoid racism. This is just an example of where white racism bites white Americans in the ass, ironically.

    In the case of the UK and Australia, both have brain drains from other nonwhite majority countries. All the rich white countries are competing for this brain drain to keep their technological/economic edge.

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  135. @ Sharina

    I suspect Black Nihilist is a troll and is just trying to prove that blacks have low IQs, similar to DJ, Churchs, and countless others. I can’t believe I wasted so much time on him.

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  136. @Kiwi

    I have to agree at this point. I finally took the time to go back through what he said and it is as if he is trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole. His IQ argument is a bit weak and is based primarily on what two men believes and comparisons of one group to the other. Groups that I doubt really dealt with similar obstacles. On top of that I noticed how he ignored individuals with very good counters (wordynerdygirl and Michael Jon Barker).

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  137. @Sharina &Kiwi: I suspect black nilhilist is a troll derailing the thread.

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  138. @strangevistor 72: Those are good points.

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  139. When statistics and the quoting of so called i.q. scores are attached to black people, a red flag goes up for me. I always suspect racist troll.

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  140. As I said before, it’s the fear of what the black community would do to them if they ever achieved a socio-economic majority throughout the entire country.

    There have been times when Black people had bustling communities, businesses, financial institutions and so forth and in none of these examples did they advance on white people…

    Even if Black people gained the majority socio-economic privilege–many would be more likely to want to integrate whites into that equation as business, marriage and community partners instead of restricting the quality of their lives.

    We can agree to disagree because i do not believe that whites are on a large scale fearful of Black people. Their historical willingness to congregate with Black people when it is beneficial to them seems to contradict that belief.

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  141. @mary burrell

    I agree. Usually I would debate in these cases with no prejudice, but when it comes to a persons opinion I am not really interested. In the case of black nilhilist the argument would be simply that. An opinion that he believes is fact. Nothing solid to claim it as a fact and it would simply be foolish for me or anyone to debate that. This is however one that should be directed to the broken record. Though I won’t discourage others who choose to debate it.

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  142. @ kiwi

    I know, I said white flight is what some do because they don’t like being around others not always out of fear.

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  143. “Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?”

    Apparently Whites have a hard time accepting this.

    If the statement had been changed to read “Why do Germans hate, demonize, fear and look down on Jews” in context of Hitler’s National Socialism in Germany Whites would accept and understand that statement.

    The disconnect comes when they deny that the SAME kind of oppression applies to America.

    The U.S. has more prisons and has the highest prison population of any country in the world. Their are more American military bases in more countries then any other Empire in the history of mankind. American drone attacks can neutralize any potential “threat” in the world without impunity. American foreign policy supports some governments that are totalitarian and have both in the past and present support governments that practice apartheid and genocide.The Americans governments bail out of Wall Street and it’s crony capitalism of corporations mirror’s Nazi Germanys relationship with it’s “industrialists”. The Americans governments obsession with “security” gives the NSA god like powers to peer into the private lives of just not Americans but our “allies” as well. Like Nazi Germany the rise of those in Enforcement into a kind of Praetorian Class insures that the actions of citizens only occur with it’s tacit consent. Whether driving on roads, traveling in the air, visiting public land, walking down the street or even living in your own home, every action you take is predicated on its permission. The interpretation of these permissions is based on race and affluence and is reflected in the criminal justice system as well as in education and finance. The underlying systemic racism of our empire is the White Western cultural standard by which all things are judged. Whether it be beauty, litature, arts, entertainment, history, education ect all things reflect the self-image of the ruling group.

    Abagond said:

    My current understanding of the white self-image:
    1.Narcissism – having no true sense of self-worth they put up a false front to persuade the world, and most of all themselves, that they do have worth.

    Narcissism is self love/self worship. In Dante’s inferno Dante lays out the deadly sins all of which encompasses Narcissism and reflect the consequences of a false self image. Limbo (indifference), Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Wrath, Heresy, Violence, Fraud and Treachery. Together they reflect the West’s history of conquest and genocide and underlies the consequences of racism.

    The Abrahamic religions are founded on the idea the man is made in the image of God. Theologically that was interpreted to mean a geo centric understanding of the universe. The Earth was the center of the Universe and everything revolved around it, and man was given dominion over the Earth for the Glory of God. This gave those who viewed themselves as specially privileged by God a mandate to conquer and subject other people for the “Glory of God” as well as a Standard by which all things must be judged.

    It was this religious image that “put up a false front to persuade the world, and most of all themselves, that they do have worth.” This same false image transposes itself as Nationalism and as Racism.

    It was Carl Sagan in “Pale Blue Dot” that said “Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. ”

    This Narcissism of “imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe” is reflected in this white-self image that has become an anthropocentric Empire dictating to the world the Standard by which all things must be judged.

    2. Dichotomous thinking – “either/or thinking. Worst of all, it means they cannot accept people who are too different: if you are not the same as us then there must be something wrong with you. Either/or.”

    Either you accept the Empire as it is and get a “special” seat at the table or you will remain forever marginalized.

    3. Moral blindness – “this is huge. Every single black person in the eyes of white people is the sign of a terrible crime from their ugly past, a reminder that their life is a fraud, that they are pretty much nothing more than armed robbers.”

    It is moral blindness that creates the White savior complex and leads some to fight for social justice in a system where its not possible. The Messianic State is about management not freedom. As a White person you are a part of the standard by which all things are judged. That means tweaking the standard not getting rid of it.

    “There is absolutely nothing wrong with black people other than the bad patch of history they are going through, its side effects and the ordinary human failings. It is white people who have a deep crack in their souls.”

    It is the hidden wound. It is the consequences of conquest and empire, of exploitation and Supremacy.

    ” For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”

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  144. Solesearch

    Legion, I thinks Abagond’s meaning is pretty plain. The only confusing thing is that it contradicts his whites aren’t uniquely evil argument.

    … he flips the script and says it is whites who have a “deep crack in their souls”. That is what I find ridiculous.

    I can certainly understand you would say that but I think you’re ignoring the context and just reflexively reacting to the sticker shock, so to speak.

    If I understand Abagond’s statement (and I’ve heard that type of statement before), the “deep crack” in the souls of White people he is referring to is the corollary to the very thing Abagond seems to imply by Black people having “side effects” as a result of the “bad patch of history.”

    As the history goes, Black people were not the only people impacted by that history. White people were too. Both groups have responded and reacted to that history in some way and both groups have been changed by it, for good and for ill.

    I think once you consider that and everything that entails you might come to see how Abagond’s remark really isn’t that ridiculous.

    Re: the side-effects of the history with respect to Black people… Black people’s self-image has been damaged with you consider the range of self-hatred issues from colorism to so-called Black-on-Black crime.

    What were/are the effects of the “bad patch of history” on White people?

    Once you explore that, maybe you’ll understand that it’s not necessarily a contradiction you see in Abagond’s position but rather something more nuanced.

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  145. @Kiwi

    We’d get along just fine, just as we did before the brain drain. The problem is economic, not intellectual. The smartest people in the US are not getting PhDs because there’s no real pay-off compared to finance for example. This system was created because we have a grad school setup that treats people like dirt, and people used to being treated that way in their home countries tolerate it.

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  146. Evil white guy here. Reading this article and the comments underneath for the most part merely make me want to resign myself and say “f*ck it” and mind my own business. Of course this is what I do now, with decisions made not based on racial politics or looking down, fearing, or demonizing anyone. Decisions are based on what I perceive as the best for my wife, kids, and myself, with everyone else including all other white people, black people, and brown people a distant secondary consideration.

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  147. @ Joshua

    Interesting you should say that the US would do fine when plenty other white commenters are talking about how China will overtake the US. The brain drain has only pushed back the date when that happens. And America would definitely suffer if half of Silicon Valley were gone. America spends billions just to secure oil from the Middle East. The brain drain is even more important than that. It sustains science and technology, which are the source of economic prosperity in this country. But if you’re fine with seeing that move back to China, India, and other countries, that’s alright. It’s your loss.

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  148. Interesting. When black Americans do poorly in school, that is blamed on black families, black culture, black pathologies, blah blah blah… But when white Americans do poorly in school and have to rely on a mostly nonwhite brain drain from other countries to fill the intellectual gap, that is blamed on the schools. No blame on white people or their ways. Cool trick. Almost had me fooled.

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  149. Nquest2xl,

    “As the history goes, Black people were not the only people impacted by that history. White people were too. Both groups have responded and reacted to that history in some way and both groups have been changed by it, for good and for ill.”

    That is my position. Abagond states the opposite. He specifically states that The deep crack in the souls of white people is not caused by our shared history or normal human failings.

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  150. @Evil white guy (aka Joshua)

    If that is what you think of yourself then who am I to tell you that you are wrong. Now before you say this posts paints you as such then I would direct you to the part where it says many not all whites.

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  151. @Kiwi

    As I said, it isn’t a matter of brain power. The smartest guy I’ve ever met is a white guy who graduated from Caltech at 18 in mathematics, MS Princeton, PhD Cornell. He’s on Wall St energy trading rather than in the sciences or engineering. That’s where the US system incentivises people to go. That’s why all the harping on STEM being done now won’t make a difference as long as the sciences are deeply underfunded and engineering salaries are stalled due to the influx of cheap labor from China and India. Would Silicon Valley hurt if they went home? No doubt. It would be a few years before the gap could be made up. Engineering salaries would rise, and it would be a career worth joining again. These people weren’t brought over because of any shortage of intellect in the US, but because they keep labor costs down at places like Qualcomm and Microsoft. PhD programs rely on them because they’ll work for beans for a few more years while the American is out making a living. Then when they do get out they don’t make any more money in the US than they would of had they not gotten a PhD, but they do get a visa that gets them a job. After 25 years in the semiconductor industry as an engineer, I’ve seen this process play out more than once.

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  152. @Sharina

    I know it says many, not all in the original post. Some of the comments were not that conservative. In any case I’m not critiquing any once thing that was said, but how the whole thing makes me feel. I am a flawed irredeemable white guy just trying to get along in my own space and take care of my own – it makes me tired and it seems most days I’m barely treading water anyways. I don’t get how people have the time and energy to look down and demonize anyone else.

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  153. @Josh.. You should play this for your friend.
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrOZllbNarw)

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  154. We can agree to disagree because i do not believe that whites are on a large scale fearful of Black people. Their historical willingness to congregate with Black people when it is beneficial to them seems to contradict that belief.

    Both Rosewood, FL and Greenwood (a.k.a. Black Wall Street) in Tulsa, Oklahoma, successful communities both, were burned to the ground after reports (or rumors, even) of white femininity being sullied by black men – and these were communities where black Americans . So although some whites are more than willing to momentarily coexist with black Americans, that willingness can easily evaporate under the right set of circumstances.

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  155. @ phoebeprunelle

    It’s called gentrification. Pretty soon, the high property tax will move ’em out. Case in point anybody been to SE, Washington DC.

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  156. Solesearch,

    “That is my position. Abagond states the opposite. He specifically states that The deep crack in the souls of white people is not caused by our shared history or normal human failings.”

    Okay, I just looked back and saw your first post in this thread. So, I see where you’re coming from in terms of your position. But I really don’t see where Abagond stated anything like what you are claiming. And, to be quite honest with you, frankly, that dog won’t hunt.

    In the original post of yours that I responded to, you said you were confused because Abagond’s statement in this commentary Abagond contradicted what you called his “whites aren’t uniquely evil argument.” So, it seems pretty clear that Abagond didn’t say what you’re claiming in any previous thread. So whatever you believe he’s saying about the deep crack in the souls of white people has to be in this thread and this thread alone.

    The only problem with that is: what you’re claiming simply isn’t true.

    Abagond specifically stated in his commentary that deep crack in the souls of white people is a product of “their” history because “their [White people’s] history shows that there is something seriously wrong with them.” That history Abagond is referring to clearly includes our shared history.

    See Abagond’s point:
    “2. Dichotomous thinking… The One Drop Rule is a good example.”

    Beyond that, how is that you have the position like the one I have — that White people have been impacted by the “bad patch of history” — and still think the idea that White people have deep crack in their souls is ridiculous?

    It’s seems to me that you’re responding in sticker shock fashion and really don’t even grasp what the idea means.

    It would help if you would actually address the question I raised earlier:
    What were/are the effects of the “bad patch of history” on White people?

    And, specifically, what has been White people’s response/reaction to how they’ve been negatively impacted by that “bad patch of history.”

    You see, in the context of the side-effects Abagond mentioned regarding how Black people were/are impacted by the bad-history, there is tons of examples of Black people acknowledging how that bad-history has negatively impacted them, changed them culturally (in the way they think about themselves, etc.) in ways they feel are counterproductive.

    I’m simply not aware of there being any on-going, conscious acknowledgements or efforts on the part of Whites, generally, where they admit that the history of racism and participating in a racist society/social order in the past, let alone the present, has changed their social/cultural character, how they view themselves, etc.

    Please enlighten me…

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  157. on Mon 6 Jan 2014 at 05:12:10 Riverside_Rob

    @ phoebeprunelle
    “You don’t pursue and invade people you are afraid of.”

    I think that is an incorrect statement. Here’s why: I’ve seen a wolf, up close. It was larger than I expected, much larger than a big dog. He was mid chest to me at his shoulder. I understood immediately why previous generations of peoples feared the wolf and hunted them to near extinction in America and Europe. They are predatory and powerful and are the apex predator where they exist. Extinction of the wolf – or genocide of a people, is not morally defensible, but it is intellectually understandable.

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  158. Though I do believe racism still exists and it is awful that people have to experience it, I do believe it comes down to more of an issue of economic wealth and social values. I feel like you are trying to present it as solely a racial issue but when we actually delve deeper into it, it is more complex than that. I think we could all agree that, unfortunately, African Americans make up a large percentage of the working and impoverished class. This is due to a multitude of factors including racism, lack of resources, drug abuse, etc. Our culture finds it so important to project money that those without it are largely excluded and left feeling like second class citizens.

    I am making this point because as a white female growing up in a smaller city in Canada (98% white), I was largely excluded and ridiculed in school because I was born into poverty. I had very few friends and the only friends I did have, not so shockingly, were of a different ethnic/color make-up. My parents were devout Catholics, yet, they themselves had very few contacts/friends within the church, I feel, because they were excluded due to their economical standing. Even today, I can still find it hard to relate to many middle-class “white” people because they tend to talk about all the different ways they spend their money and I have very little interest in that (it also becomes quite irritating because it feels so shallow and empty). However, many of the impoverished people in my city – majority white – were also persons I did not want to hang around. This had very little to do with their own families finances, and very much to do with the atmosphere I would be surrounded in when socializing with them. There was a great underlying blanket of negativity (which is understandable in most circumstances) but there was also more social acceptance of drugs, lack of education, per-marital sex, violence toward one another, racism, and cursing. These are also qualities that the majority of “white” middle-class people reject and they should because they are not healthy.

    I am placing “white” in quotations because there are a multitude of ethnic backgrounds that are middle-class as well. I also do not feel that only white people are capable of adopting racist thinking.

    Fast forward a few years to now, where my mother – due to unique circumstances – is now living in a predominately black ghetto in Syracuse, NY. It has been there that I have felt the previous negative social dynamics the most. Racism, drug abuse, no importance on education, violence, and cursing are heard and felt on a continual basis. I cannot take a bus ride (because I cannot afford a car) without hearing someone cursing, blaring music (offensive and non-offensive), speaking disrespectfully of another person, or sharing intimate details about a relationship that I have no desire to hear! Now, I’m not saying that I would never hear these things elsewhere. However, I sharing with you that these are things that others do not like to be surrounded by because they negatively impact everyone. You wonder why “whites” are afraid of “blacks” (usually men) when they obviously present the persona that they will hurt someone who does something against them? Again, I use quotations because it isn’t something only limited to people of a certain color. If anyone is presenting that persona, people will stay away from them and will be afraid of them – just as the person carrying that persona intended.

    You mention whites looking down on blacks. Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, Sidney Poitier, Chris Rock, a lot of soldier who have fought for our country and his fellow mans freedom are inspirational! And that is only a small list. Some of the funniest and kindest people I have come across have been mixed, black, or other. I would never look down on them. However, “thugs” who disrespect and promote violence will never gain my respect. This again is not limited to color but by the character of a person. Do not give up hope and resort to “demonizing” whites as to why you feel many blacks are not looked up to. African Americans still make up a minority of the population but I think they have made wonderful strides in becoming household names and will continue to do so. You and I shall never know how much Ray Charles, Obama, and others have inspired a youth.

    I feel absolutely horrible when someone is subjected to racism. I recently stood up to someone on an online game who was trying to be funny, I suppose, by being racist. When I realized he wouldn’t stop, I removed myself from his presence. People have no right to make another human being feel bad about something they cannot control. Blacks and whites will never achieve harmony if we are constantly blinded by our own prejudice. We do have to make a better effort as a society to place pressure on those that are racist to let them know that it is not tolerated.

    However, I will not say that the “white” culture should accept or adopt clearly negative social values. I believe this is an area that usually urban or low economic people need to reflect on and start making some changes themselves. Society should help them achieve this – but it will always be up to each individual on how they will change. Hopefully, we will achieve a society where no one is felt to be less important due to circumstances out of their control. I believe we are on our way there, but we need to work together and stop blaming each other for the mess.

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  159. @ abagond

    I call BS on this. ‘Black’ Nihilist, Laura and Joshua all sound mighty like one former commenter with a username beginning with ‘A’.

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  160. Hey Laura,

    Thanks for sharing your point of view!

    “However, I will not say that the “white” culture should accept or adopt clearly negative social values. I believe this is an area that usually urban or low economic people need to reflect on and start making some changes themselves. Society should help them achieve this – but it will always be up to each individual on how they will change.”

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    I’m interested in what YOU think about the predominant “white culture” in the U.S. Do you see anything within “white” culture that has negative social values … that middle (as well as lower and upper) class “whites” “need to reflect on and start making some changes themselves?”

    What areas do you see in YOU that should change?

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  161. Though I am trying desperately to give “Laura” the benefit of the doubt, she really has composed one heluva condescending comment!

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  162. Pay It Forward,

    It is my opinion that whites (collectively, or individually) should NEVER be GIVEN the benefit of the doubt… they should have to earn it.

    *ALL whites (as in every single one of them) are at minimum: RACIST SUSPECTS – until shown, or proven otherwise.*

    *Neely Fuller’s observation*

    If we don’t learn to wary of “white” people … the ULTIMATE BENEFICIARIES of racism, we harm ourselves.

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  163. @ Wordy

    Joshua has been commenting here for nearly two years. Laura seems legit. Black Nihilist, though, is most likely Asplund.

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  164. @ abagond

    Ok – thanks for clarifying. I think after all the times A has trolled the board I’m a bit to ready to make assumptions!

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  165. I’ve been gone for a while, and I was worried there would be no one to troll with me gone. However, it appears those fears were misplaced. Glad this isn’t turning into a total echo chamber. A+ to black nihilist, even though I kind of doubt you are black (you might be of course, but you would be the first one I’ve seen here who is able to think outside of the politically correct box of blaming every evil under the sun on white oppression). You get the major issues. Individual blacks can of course be brilliant and great contributors to society. However, on an aggregate basis, blacks, when left to their own devices have trouble maintaining a high level of civilization. Most blacks aren’t criminals, but more of them are on average than folks of other races. If you observed this, you’d react accordingly (and even Jesse Jackson admits that he does).

    I wish the above weren’t true. I was brought up to believe that blacks only performed worse academically (on average of course) because they were oppressed. “There is absolutely nothing wrong with black people other than the bad patch of history they are going through, its side effects and the ordinary human failings. It is white people who have a deep crack in their souls.” That’s what I was taught in school and what I’d like to believe (minus that white people having a deep crack in their souls), it just doesn’t square with my experiences.

    Ultimately, you (denizens of this site) would blame all failures of blacks on whites (including modern Subsaharan Africa’s failure to rise above abject poverty despite vast mineral wealth, the significant decline in the average quality of life for blacks in SA after the end of apartheid, the living standards in any city in the US that has a majority black population), rather than take any responsibility for them yourselves. Pretty crazy if you step back and think about it. As white people gradually die out and Africa teems with billions and billions as food and medical aid is shipped in from abroad, you will still blame white people for Africans’ ability to feed themselves or create and maintain a stable society.

    When the collapse happens (probably within the next 20 years), everything will change. Here’s a good article to read and think about re: how people will look back and perceive the current state of the US (http://paulgraham.com/say.html). The politically correct Narrative is on the wrong side of history.

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  166. Biff said:

    “I’ve been gone for a while, and I was worried there would be no one to troll with me gone. However, it appears those fears were misplaced. Glad this isn’t turning into a total echo chamber. A+ to black nihilist, even though I kind of doubt you are black (you might be of course, but you would be the first one I’ve seen here who is able to think outside of the politically correct box of blaming every evil under the sun on white oppression). You get the major issues. Individual blacks can of course be brilliant and great contributors to society. However, on an aggregate basis, blacks, when left to their own devices have trouble maintaining a high level of civilization. Most blacks aren’t criminals, but more of them are on average than folks of other races. If you observed this, you’d react accordingly (and even Jesse Jackson admits that he does).”

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    This could also be said this way:

    Individual whites can of course be brilliant (Tim Wise, Jane Elliot, Michael Moore…) and great contributors to society. However, on an aggregate basis, whites, when left to their own devices have trouble maintaining a high level of civilization (without their penchant for going into lands that are not theirs to steal/take what doesn’t belong to them). Most whites aren’t street hoods, but an overwhelming number of them are involved in the corporate-political-militaristic complex (cartel) that wreaks evil, chaos and death across the planet because of their unquenchable appetite for profit and power. Most whites lack empathy, are mediocre, or less (i.e. George W. Bush) that benefits greatly from their (supposedly unseen) white skin privilege. If you observed this, you’d react accordingly (and even Michael Moore admits that he does).

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  167. @biff

    “(you might be of course, but you would be the first one I’ve seen here who is able to think outside of the politically correct box of blaming every evil under the sun on white oppression”—This really doesn’t say much considering you pick and choose what you read and ignore what does not fit into your idea of what those on this blog should believe.

    I think I even asked you before to point where I blamed all whites for anything but you were silent as you can’t very well do that but find no fault in the mistake of believing “you (denizens of this site) would blame all failures of blacks on whites.” Now because it is based on what you have seen you can’t really say what the individuals on this site actually do or don’t do.🙂

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  168. @Joshua

    Everyone is flawed. No one is perfect. People do the looking down and demonizing to remind themselves that they are better off in some way (imo). I think it makes them feel a little bit better about themselves if they have some uplifting thought. People like me don’t seem to care about race. class, etc but for others those things make them crazy.

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  169. @Matari

    Nice way to turn the tables.🙂

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  170. Both Rosewood, FL and Greenwood (a.k.a. Black Wall Street) in Tulsa, Oklahoma, successful communities both, were burned to the ground after reports (or rumors, even) of white femininity being sullied by black men – and these were communities where black Americans . So although some whites are more than willing to momentarily coexist with black Americans, that willingness can easily evaporate under the right set of circumstances.

    You don’t need to feel as though you have to tell me about those historical events in which i am aware of–and those few examples still do not contradict their willingness to move into Black neighborhoods that are economically below middle class.

    @Lifelearner–that’s exactly what i was getting at (gentrification).

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  171. or genocide of a people, is not morally defensible, but it is intellectually understandable.

    Everyone–i believe this comment above proves Abagond to some extent right on his post.

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  172. Nquest2xl,

    It sounds like we have a comprehension issue here. Let us refer back to Abagond’s actual words.

    “There is absolutely nothing wrong with black people other than the bad patch of history they are going through, its side effects and the ordinary human failings. It is white people who have a deep crack in their souls.

    I know that sounds extreme – partly because we have “white is right” pounded into our heads night and day – but their history shows that there is something seriously wrong with them.”

    This line, “their history shows that there is something seriously wrong with them.”, does not say what you think it means, that the deep crack in white people’s souls is caused by their history. It means what it says. It does not say the deep crack is caused by our shared history. It doesn’t say that explicitly nor does it imply it. I

    The previous paragraph: “There is absolutely nothing wrong with black people other than the bad patch of history they are going through, its side effects and the ordinary human failings. It is white people who have a deep crack in their souls.”

    Here he says unlike black people whose failings are due to a bad patch of history and normal human failings, the deep crack in the souls of white folks IS the cause of their history.

    Interpreting his statement any other way is wrong. This might not be what he meant, but it is what he wrote.

    I am not confused about the affects our history has had on white people. If you have something to say about it, then my god, man/woman, just say it. However, it won’t alter what Abagond wrote here.

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  173. on Mon 6 Jan 2014 at 15:19:24 Riverside_Rob

    Laura,
    Excellent post, very well thought out and communicated. I appreciate you being here.

    Phoebe and everyone, before you get comfortable on that moral high ground, recall the Hutu / Tutsi unpleasantness in Rwanda a few years past. Extinction or genocide is not an exclusively white occurrence. Fear can drive people to invade or attack, contrary to your earlier statement (phoebe). Hatred can cause people to murder hundreds of thousands of others with machetes, or millions of others using gas chambers, smallpox blankets or starvation. If you think your group is above the basest of human thought and behavior, you’re wrong.

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  174. @Riverside_Rob

    ‘If you think your group is above the basest of human thought and behavior, you’re wrong.”—Sorry if I don’t speak for the “group” but for myself. In speaking for myself I will say that your delusions of people taking the moral high ground or thinking they are better are simply that. YOUR DELUSIONS or quite possibly your own projections of what you think people will do based on what you would and have on this blog.

    And please by all means notice I said YOU and not white people as this seems to be a confusion with trolls on here.

    Sorry but my opinion is and has been that whites are no better than blacks and it is the delusions of certain white people that they are (particularly the trolls who have a massive amount of reading comprehension).

    Good day.🙂

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  175. Though I will get back to those of the delusional nature when I decide to engage in genocide, rob a store, or do some other crime.

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  176. sorry v8 as I was not aware of that word or it’s meaning. That may be the reason why it is a moderated word.

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  177. or atleast it should be

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  178. @Matari

    Is there a “predominant” white culture? When I travel I see many different cultures in areas around the US. Some are bizarre to me – the times I’ve been in Georgia or South Carolina for example the “white culture” appalled me, as it was like something in the water reduced their intellects by 40 points. Even close states that you think might be similar are far different – like Montana and Wyoming or Utah and Nevada.

    @Sharina

    Makes sense. They’re likely telling themselves Jesus loves them at the same time as looking down and sneering.

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  179. @Riverside Rob,

    Your wolf analogy has got to be one of the strangest ones I’ve seen here in awhile. So because you’ve seen a wolf up close and personal you instantly knew why they were hunted to almost extinction here and Europe and that is somehow comparable to the genocide of people and “intellectually understandable”. Nonsense. Also, who said any group was above….. anything? That’s just your diversionary red herring.

    @Linda,

    Nice spin of the “cultural pathology” wheel. I’m amused though that people are still buying into the “middle class values” mythology because it’s mostly just a silly marketing term.

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  180. Riverside_Rob

    Phoebe and everyone, before you get comfortable on that moral high ground, recall the Hutu / Tutsi unpleasantness in Rwanda a few years past. Extinction or genocide is not an exclusively white occurrence. Fear can drive people to invade or attack, contrary to your earlier statement (phoebe). Hatred can cause people to murder hundreds of thousands of others with machetes, or millions of others using gas chambers, smallpox blankets or starvation. If you think your group is above the basest of human thought and behavior, you’re wrong.

    I admit that sometimes I speak for – what I believe – the majority of my people would think. Right now, I will speak for myself when I say that don’t think I’m no better than whites or you in particular for that matter when it comes to morals. However, I don’t think I or my people are worst than whites.

    As Sharina pointed out, trolls that appear on these and other blogs flaunt their white supremacist delusions, include their “moral high ground”. To them, they think white people have that high moral ground instinctively while black folks are trudging around at the bottom with our gangsta rap, criminal ways and our sex drives doing 90 mph. It’s ironic, because they do that in the most asinine ways exhibiting rude behaviors.

    So, I don’t think we think we are “comfortable” on some “moral high ground”. We just know what’s what and aren’t afraid to say so. Besides, no one, like ks said, was on some high moral ground to begin with.

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  181. Joshua

    *Predominant* simply means most frequent, most common.

    You didn’t know this??

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  182. @ Riverside_Rob

    The only wolf on this blog is Brothawolf, and he’s howling for justice, not threatening others.

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  183. Racial prejudice is a learned behaviour, just like all forms of hatred and fear. Where it gets a lot more dangerous is the system we know as racism, because it’s so structural, and has been reigning for so long (that is, White supremacy) and is impossible for minority populations to challenge at this time because it’s run by the 1%
    It’s interesting how the response this problem is “then go back home,” while at the same time, European economic exploitation has not seized in Africa.

    From Africa, to the Indian in America, to the Aboriginal peoples in Australia; it’s so expansive and so sinister it’s almost hard to grasp.

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  184. It’s funny how whites like to blast Africa. At the rate the African middle class has been growing in the past 30 years, the middle class will expand to the size of today’s African population in under 40 years. This has happened in spite of the poverty, AIDS, war, and famine. 40 years is a pessimistic prediction given how evolving technologies are revolutionizing food, water, medicine, energy, telecommunications, and manufacturing.

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  185. @Matari

    I know what the word means, I’m asking you what culture you’re referring to.

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  186. Joshua

    I don’t have anymore FREE “CLUE” CARDS for clueless white people. Maybe I’ll have some again in Dec 2014 around the holiday season to dispense to the terminally clueless.

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  187. @Matari

    As long as you don’t expect to be understood, that’s just fine.

    But I don’t believe you can actually define what you meant. That’s plenty clueless in its own right.

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  188. on Mon 6 Jan 2014 at 21:49:56 Riverside_Rob

    Sharina says
    “Sorry but my opinion is and has been that whites are no better than blacks and it is the delusions of certain white people that they are (particularly the trolls who have a massive amount of reading comprehension). ”

    I respond – that was my point dear, that blacks are no better than whites. Why must you always look for an argument – and notifce I said you.

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  189. on Mon 6 Jan 2014 at 22:04:11 Riverside_Rob

    Sharina and brothawolf, Can you show me where I said whites are morally superior?

    Here’s Phoebe’s post I was responding to.

    phoebeprunelle
    “..or genocide of a people, is not morally defensible, but it is intellectually understandable.” (that is Phoebe quoting an earlier post of mine)”

    Everyone–i believe this comment above proves Abagond to some extent right on his post.

    So phoebe uses my quote to reinforce Abagonds treatise that white people are what – morally blind? which of those items of white self image do I reinforce for you?

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  190. I am making this point because as a white female growing up in a smaller city in Canada (98% white),

    That explains you fcking dumb comment.

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  191. @Riverside_Rob

    Emphasis on this particular part of my post “Certain white people” and “trolls who have a massive amount of reading comprehension.”—In your haste to respond you just proved that you fit into both categories.🙂

    You fail to comprehend half of what you read because you are projecting your own feelings of insecurities etc on to me and others.

    “I respond – that was my point dear, that blacks are no better than whites. Why must you always look for an argument – and notifce I said you”—I didn’t respond in care of your point but I clearly stated what my point of view was. On top of that I was being straight up and honest with you not looking for an argument, but this only proves my point about you projecting. Which in all retrospect is not my problem but a problem YOU have.

    Might want to fix that problem of yours because this is the last place to lack comprehension skills.🙂

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  192. @Biff:

    You’ve been gone a while. Were you on vacation or in a psychiatric unit. I have to admit you are one of the most comical trolls.

    Here’s a couple of articles from the ‘Economist’ for you Biff. The Economist can hardly be labeled a ‘libtard’ magazine. What are you calling liberals these days? Anywho:

    http://www.economist.com/news/special-report/21572377-african-lives-have-already-greatly-improved-over-past-decade-says-oliver-august

    http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21572773-pride-africas-achievements-should-be-coupled-determination-make-even-faster

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  193. @Riverside_Rob

    “Can you show me where I said whites are morally superior? “—Sure as soon as you can point to where I said you did say that.

    Comprehension is key and it really boggles my mind that every time you respond to anyone you have a misunderstanding. You blame it on this and you blame it on that, but bottom line is that you have an issue you need to sort out.

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  194. Solesearch,

    Comprehend what was and still is in plain sight (re: what Abagond’s specifically stated):

    My current understanding of the white self-image:

    Narcissism . . .

    Dichotomous thinking – either/or thinking. Their films often have characters who are either all good or all evil. When you ask them about it they say that of course they know the world is not that simple, that it is just a storytelling device. Yet much of their thinking is very either/or, black-or-white. The One Drop Rule is a good example. So is their idea that they are Basically Good, getting upset when you point out anything that does not fit that overblown self-image. Like that maybe they are racist. Worst of all, it means they cannot accept people who are too different: if you are not the same as us then there must be something wrong with you. Either/or.
    Moral blindness . . .

    Comprehension tells you that the One Drop Rule is firmly situated within “our shared history.”

    And my question was in no wise rhetorical.

    What were/are the effects of the “bad patch of history” on White people?

    I’ve asked you to consider it twice (now, three times) because my purpose for asking it in the first place was to say that the idea of White people having deep cracks in their souls is self-evident in any honest consideration of that shared history, how White people were impacted by it and how they have responded/reacted.

    Further, you can’t honestly state (as you did) that Abagond “specifically states that The deep crack in the souls of white people is not caused by our shared history or normal human failings” when he did not specifically state/say those words. You are assuming things that have not been “specifically” stated.

    You’re making an inference that belies the actual context. Again, see the reference to the One Drop Rule.

    Now, unless you’re willing to explore this issue via the question I posed (in a fruitless effort to help you understand what I believe Abagond’s statement implies), we’re done here. Maybe I should have phrased words in my previous posts to better aid in a genuine exchange but you simply can’t mind read or in-between-the-line read Abagond’s commentary and claim his specifically stated something he did not.

    I think I understand what he means while, at the same time, understanding your objection. Ultimately, comprehension (at least on my part) isn’t the problem. So far, you haven’t been willing to try to understand his perspective.

    That’s the issue here. You have a different perspective and, perhaps, because of the knee-jerk, sticker shock you’re still apparently in, you can’t get passed the blinders you’ve put on.

    As for me saying something “about the affects our history has had on white people,” I’ve already said plenty:

    I’m simply not aware of there being any on-going, conscious acknowledgements or efforts on the part of Whites, generally, where they admit that the history of racism and participating in a racist society/social order in the past, let alone the present, has changed their social/cultural character, how they view themselves, etc.

    Maybe now you will begin to discuss this because that is a big part of what is viewed as the deep cracks in the soul of White people — their, perhaps, hardened denial, refusal or inability to examine and deal with that.

    Again, I’m saying it seems to me that Black people, unlike White people, are aware of the negative side-effects — how our shared history with racism has negatively impacted Black people’s self-image, culture, etc. And this is community wide with Black people.

    The same cannot be said of the White community. That type of internal introspection and thorough-going examination of how racism has harmed them collectively and shaped the way the view things is sorely absent.

    Instead of a community of Tim Wise like thinkers, White Americans have and increasingly vocal band of Duck Dynasty die-hards who feel like Phil Robertson and believes Black people were “singing and happy” before they had their civil rights won/honored. There is a strong chorus of Whites, liberal and conservative, who, at some point, characterize Blacks the way Robertson does as welfare dependant, entitlement whores.

    I’ll stop there…

    I am not confused about the affects our history has had on white people. If you have something to say about it, then my god, man/woman, just say it. However, it won’t alter what Abagond wrote here. If you have something to say about it, then my god, man/woman, just say it. However, it won’t alter what Abagond wrote here.

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  195. “Ofay” is simply pig latin for foe. Is “foe” also a racist term? Or is only racist in its pig latin form?

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  196. *Or is IT only racist in its pig latin form?

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  197. @Pay It Forward: That is such a dated word, haven’t heard people use that since the 70’s. I was shocked to see it in the commentary.

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  198. @ Pay It Forward: I think the black panthers and Eldridge Clever used that word from the 60’s and 70’s.

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  199. @ mary, thank you.
    This is the first time I’ve heard this word to refer, disparagingly, to white people. (I’ve only heard ofay or ofey in UK and Europe to mean “being familiar with, having knowledge” from the French, au fait = being informed.)

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  200. @v8driver: You didn’t deserve that. You didn’t deserve to be called that ugly epithet.

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  201. V8, mary, since that’s what it means, shouldn’t it be a moderated word?

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  202. V8 asked abagond that very same question, I think it should be.

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  203. Nquest2xl,

    “Now, unless you’re willing to explore this issue via the question I posed (in a fruitless effort to help you understand what I believe Abagond’s statement implies), we’re done here. Maybe I should have phrased words in my previous posts to better aid in a genuine exchange but you simply can’t mind read or in-between-the-line read Abagond’s commentary and claim his specifically stated something he did not.”

    I’m not willing. I feel like I’m in the twilight zone.

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  204. Joshua asked :

    “Is there a “predominant” white culture? When I travel I see many different cultures in areas around the US. Some are bizarre to me – the times I’ve been in Georgia or South Carolina for example the “white culture” appalled me, as it was like something in the water reduced their intellects by 40 points.”

    White culture has the unique advantage of choosing whatever culture they wish to emulate while POC do not. Some Whites use the one drop rule to claim Native American heritage for example.

    Generally speaking white culture is war like and prone to violence. American foreign policy proves that. Film and video games exaggerate violence which desensitizes the reality of violence. Narcissism might be the defining feature of white culture. Everything is about how you look and what you have. Individualism is mixed in their as well.

    I was in Utah over the weekend hiking around. The people their were pleasant and friendly and curious as to where we were from. Every small town has a LDS church which is usually the biggest, best maintained building in town. I got the sense that the community revolved around the LDS church. I would say their are micro cultures like this within White areas.

    The justice system in Utah is run by Mormons. Utah is a State that has a higher then average rate of rape, 1/5 compared to 1/7 national average. It also has one of the lowest convictions rates for rape. I think this has to do with the strongly patriarchal theology of the LDS. White on White rape is happening and their is denial within that community that their is a problem.

    The media always talks about black on black crime, black on white crime and occasionally the white on black crime. But never white on white. It is a part of the moral blindness Abagond alludes too and would challenge that whites are “Basically Good”.,

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  205. Solesearch,

    Interpreting his statement any other way is wrong.

    No. Simply, you are wrong for casting your interpretation of what has said as what he “specifically” stated.

    Maybe you meant to say that you interpreted his statement/commentary that way but that’s not what you said. You said:

    “…Abagond states the opposite. He specifically states that The deep crack in the souls of white people is not caused by our shared history or normal human failings.”

    So, when I went back to look for that *specific* statement by Abagond. I did not find it. You should have told me to look for your context-stripping, context-ignoring *interpretation*.

    It is wrong for you to play mind-reader and insert your own interpretation and claim it’s something Abagond “states” simply because you feel justified by some kind of interpretative-license you give yourself given how Abagond said on thing about X but didn’t say it about Y therefore Z.

    It’s a faulty interpretative equation. And, again, it’s one that’s devoid of context.

    Now, Abagond’s idea regard White people’s history could encompass more than our shared history but you will note that I said (by virtue of the context clear provided and I clearly read) that history includes our shared history.

    Somehow, I was about to interpret Abagond’s commentary and see it as inclusive of things I’m aware of and/or agree with but, for some reason (ironically so), you want it to be in a black/white, exclusive, process-of-elimination type of territory.

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  206. Solesearch,

    I’m not willing. I feel like I’m in the twilight zone.

    I wonder why.

    I tried to take what you said seriously and thought I’d missed something since I usually only lurk here and post every blue moon (like, maybe, once or twice a year). But, as it turns out, I didn’t miss a thing.

    As it stands, we still don’t know why the idea of White people having deep cracks in their souls seems “ridiculous” to you. Of course, explaining that might require you do address questions like:

    What were/are the effects of the “bad patch of history” on White people?

    And, specifically, what has been White people’s response/reaction to how they’ve been negatively impacted by that “bad patch of history.”

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  207. Don’t forget “God Complex”, as part of white self image. They have conquered (killed) so many people of the world (and got away with it), they think they’re God. That’s why they love to climb mountains, bungee jump and shit – wanna conquer DEATH.

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  208. @Michael

    Choosing which culture to emulate? You mean to try and fit in with? I suppose as long as one kept one’s mouth shut that would be possible. I really would have no idea how to be a southerner or a Mormon except as a caricature.

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  209. Kiwi,

    The only wolf on this blog is Brothawolf, and he’s howling for justice, not threatening others.

    Indeed he’s not.🙂

    Riverside_Rob

    …brothawolf, Can you show me where I said whites are morally superior?

    I never said you said that whites are morally superior. I simply replied to what your comment based on the words I’ve read that you typed. With all due respect, you really need to learn reading comprehension, sir. I can’t show you what I never said.

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  210. biff,

    Are you the same guy who called himself ‘bliff’ or was that someone else? (Assuming he’ll return.)

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  211. @miss mary b, it’s ok, i’ve seen it slip through here before,

    also, i consider the little flame war as, again, a reminder for me not to be slipping, which i had, since i was drinking a bit last week

    xxxphantomxxx said:

    “@v8driver what about a hillbilly test where everyone just quotes favorite lines from white trash shows like duke of hazard !!!”

    well i might be a little rough sometimes but i assure you my vernacular comes from a different source, i do talk like i type sometimes, it’s just a bit much with all i have going on

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  212. on Mon 13 Jan 2014 at 20:17:39 Proud white devil

    You’re giving yourself too much credit, we don’t even view you as fellow humans .Subhuman is even pushing it.I literally have no empathy for you or your kind.Deal with it.

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  213. @ white devil

    LOL! Priceless comment.

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  214. @Proud white devil

    Glad we are on the same page. I view you as less than the sh*t I stepped in.🙂

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  215. I found myself back here this morning in this wonderful new year and though this is an old post I had to comment.

    “This is why whites need to give reparations more than blacks need to receive it.”

    That reminds me of a quote by James Weldon Johnson:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_of_Ell_Persons
    “I tried to balance the sufferings of the miserable victim against the moral degradation of Memphis, and the truth flashed over me that in large measure the race question involves the saving of black America’s body and white America’s soul.”

    “There is absolutely nothing wrong with black people other than the bad patch of history they are going through, its side effects and the ordinary human failings. It is white people who have a deep crack in their souls.”

    Exactly! IMO, Black people have maintained more dignity than should be expected in the hellish scenario that has been endured. Black people had been completely emptied like a drink that is poured out of a cup. Our lands were not our lands, our names not our names, our ancestral heritage not our ancestral heritage, our bodies not our own, we have planted for others to reap, built for others to inhabit, and yet we are hated for our service. It would not make sense at all except for the conclusion that the white collective is thoroughly evil and psychopathic in nature. They’re not ‘making mistakes’ or ‘messing up’. They’re wilfully malignant. They have created a drunken harlot of an economic system that exalts greed and usury to the detriment of the entire planet and its people. They have spearheaded the testing and use of atomic bombs to snuff out hundreds of thousands in an instant while polluting the earth for everyone including their own people.

    They love their evanescent egos more than anything and this is the basis of their defect and their endless frustration and restlessness. Unlike the world’s older people, they rarely see themselves as a part of things but as isolated egos in the midst of things. With the former view one can grow by merging and communing while with the latter grows by possessing and dominating. Merging creates a larger entity from the constituent parts. While the parts maintain their individuality they gain meaning from their position within the whole. Indeed this is the way a healthy multicellular organic body works. But merging involves a give and take. However, white culture only wants to take because it considers that merging will result in loss of self. So with insatiable appetite it takes everything and everyone it sees and guards its accumulated possessions like a ravenous beast. That is its flavour of growth and ‘progress’. Egotism and a desire to ‘become something’ manifests as a singlemindedly destructive and psychopathic collective consciousness. The manner of growth is the manner of growth of a cancerous tumor. A cell that misguidedly multiplies recklessly at the expense of its neighbours will ultimately destroy the body and itself. It’s not surprising that with Western Civilization we see the end of all life on earth as a real possibility.

    The spiritual conceptions of many other cultures could never allow such unbridled rapacity. For example, Ancient Egypt saw God (ntr/neter, plural: ntrw/neteru; awful similar to NaTuR but not sure if related) as existing in everything. Interestingly the Bantu suffix -ntu actually means entity or being. Furthermore, Bantu (Ba-ntu) is a rational being (aside: Ancient Egyptian Ba is the soul or unique personality). According to one source the rationality spoken of is “Comprehensive rationality that allows people to transcend calculations geared to substantiating their personal interests rather than harmony with the universe”. So in trying to advance their supposed interests at the expense of the planet white people would be acting like unintelligent bi-ntu (plants, beasts, stones) by this African conception.
    http://books.google.com/books?id=42l_Ob-GO-gC&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=ubu-ntu+ba-ntu&source=bl&ots=fJVIE39-p5&sig=ZDKVeGUs0bjyUQN1W_meFX6in8U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=T3vKUpvtK5SrsQSnzIDQDQ&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=ubu-ntu%20ba-ntu&f=false

    So in light of the above what’s with this persistent ‘white is right’ nonsense?
    Only by dint of endless propaganda and the moth-to-flame effect created by their extraction of all wealth is such an idea maintained. Unfortunately they are drunk with their own koolaid and cannot see that their end is unprecendented tragedy of both human and cosmic origin. Today they dig up dinosaur bones. Nobody will disturb their eternal slumber. Narcissus, Icarus, Phaethon. They’re not myth but allegory. My mind is already past white rule. Two world wars so far, destruction of traditional cultures, continual political strife, economic inequity, pollution with toxic and radioactive chemicals and white is right? Yeah right! When a critical mass moves past that ridiculous notion it’ll be time for change. There is no reward for apathy.

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  216. BTW, evil collective behavior on the part of pale societies is a worldwide phenomenon so eyes should be wide open by now. In India the darkest people are often the ill-treated ‘untouchables’ or as Ghandi (IIRC) called them, “children of God”. But where are the robbers going to hide on the day of Kala Bhairava’s manifestation?

    Kala Bhairava

    Kali
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali

    Kalah
    http://biblehub.com/hebrew/chalah_3617.htm

    Outer Space

    Also

    Hathor’s crown

    Ancient ‘egyptian’ winged disc

    Mesopotamian winged disc

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kukulkan
    Among the Lacandon Maya of Chiapas, Kukulkan is an evil, monstrous snake that is the pet of the sun god.

    Isaiah 34:4
    All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll

    Revelation 6:14
    The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

    Chinese Dragon chasing pearl:

    Chinese Dragon Dance
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WUnWPpRslM)

    Today’s scientists call that:
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV3gMfkvOEM)

    How to explain the symbols unless ancient people knew of it? They also held that spirit existed in all things and that the universe is not due to accident. With such an understanding, eventual destruction of this global see-evil-lies-ation is appropriate. Western Civilization is aspiritual because spirituality (not doctrine but understanding the universe on a level deeper than the perceptions) is incompatible with its aim: self-deification. Those misled by it on account of their stomachs will end up ‘self-defecating’ instead. Tick.Tock.

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  217. What I’m most sorry about is that there are people in this forum who truly believe all white skinned people are devils. Do you believe that?

    Are the conversations in this blog are meant for black people looking to re-enforce the idea of white’s evil nature or is there any value in engaging us other then to demonstrate your moral superiority?

    DDC:White people, always feel the need to be in control.. Black people can talk about whatever we like we do not need u to qualify or validate our thoughts or views the reality is white people have a history of wickedness , overlook that if u must but understand this; most of us cannot cause we have to deal with wicked white folks every day. U’ll get over it or u won’t.. Either way , stop whining.

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  218. hello! I stumbled across this blog yesterday and after some reading, needed to comment just to say thank you.

    thank you to abagond, thank you to the many amazing commenters.
    I’m white and I know it’s possible and probable that I may be viewed here with a suspicious eye. I accept and understand that. to me this blog is like an oasis of refreshing, brutal honesty and truth-seeking in a world of self-delusion and excuse making. I very much look forward to digging in here and expanding my understanding.

    in gratitude and much respect,

    jeremy

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  219. @ George Ryder

    I did not say ALL whites are like this. But MANY are. Particularly the “fear” and “look down on” parts. And those who are like this suffer from a brokenness, morally, psychologically and, from a Christian point of view, spiritually too.

    To say that whites are screwed up by their own racism is hardly a black supremacist thing to say. It is pretty much common sense. In fact, most whites seem to think so too given how upset they get when you call them racist.

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  220. George Ryder:
    Are the conversations in this blog are meant for black people looking to re-enforce the idea of white’s evil nature or is there any value in engaging us other then to demonstrate your moral superiority?

    DDC: WE do not have to reinforce the “idea” of white’s evil nature, sweetheart.

    George Ryder:
    I don’t think I’m whining…..I could be wrong though, you clearly know me better than i do…..according to the Bible all humans have a history of wickedness, so if you believe in Jesus we all come short of the glory of God.

    Perhaps white people come “shorter” of the glory….according to human history, humans have a history of wickedness in general. But I totally see why you think whites are the worst.

    Ur prior comments seem to be suggesting that black people should “modify” their views of whites to appease u and people like u , the truth is MANY people are sick and tired of the european, not just me and people on this blog and when u make ridiculous state,emts like this;
    “Are the conversations in this blog are meant for black people looking to re-enforce the idea of white’s evil nature or is there any value in engaging us other then to demonstrate your moral superiority?” It demonstrates a lack of understanding and empathy for the black race’s sojourn under the pall of white supremacist doctrine, which is very heavy and pervasive, let’s face it, u r selfish self-centered and self-absorbed. I find it amusing how dismissive white people like u r for other people’s suffering yet if anyone even addresses the horrors of their lives under white supremacy people like u start bellowing and belly-aching… It’s just not working anymore.

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  221. “believe it or not some white people want to be your friends and even allies, some of us find white supremacy disgusting. but how do we own up for the sins of our ancestors and make things right?

    we can’t make things right, nothing that our ancestors have done can be undone, i’m sorry. and still, i wish to be an ally and not an enemy.”

    you speak the truth here George.

    some — many — white people do not support the notion of one race ruling another, at all, anywhere, ever. I read the posts here and feel love for the author. not condemnation, not fear, not superiority…none of that. it may be cliché, but we really must all learn to see one another as a big human family…offer help and healing and forgiveness and friendship. what other way is there? like begets like. I offer my friendship here to all who would accept it.

    peace to all,

    jeremy

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  222. “many — white people do not support the notion of one race ruling another, at all, anywhere, ever.”—Many is relative. I prefer to take my chances of those white people that I know don;t support the notion of ruling one race and in my spectrum that accounts for some because I don’t know even a 1% of the population.

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  223. @ Sharina–

    yes I suppose I can only truly speak for myself as I can’t know anyone else’s deepest intentions, so I’m assuming based on my own outlook and what I perceive from others I know and associate with. of course I’m well aware of the systemic attitude of white superiority that is still rampant…it’s just that it’s a self-evidently absurd notion that I simply can’t believe so many white people continue to feel is a legitimate worldview. it’s mind-boggling. i suppose it doesn’t help that much of the media thrives off of perpetuating this sentiment with all the bullshit fear porn they push…but why everyone can’t see straight through that is another mystery to me.

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  224. jellyfish74

    You and me both.

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  225. Thank’s for engaging this white devil in conversation, it’s pretty clear what your opinion is of anyone that looks like me.

    DDC: U continue to refer to urself as “white devil” noone is holding a gun to ur head, quite frankly I find it very telling..

    With people like you spitting this non-sense rhetoric we’ll never get to the point where individuals are judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

    DDC: No sweetheart , with people like u commited to perpetuating white supremacy and racism in the world we can’t get past this. U don’t want to stop benefiting from it, that is pretty obvious.

    Your whole ideology must cause you a ton of pain in life. I am very sorry and I wouldn’t dare ask you to appease me by considering my point of view.

    DDC:
    My whole ideology must causes me pain? lol. No living in a society watching people being valued or debased according to their race sex religion or socio-economic status is what is so galling, u really r quite obtuse, aren’t u?

    I thought this was a really interesting blog, but perhaps I’m not welcome here. But thankfully that’s up to the moderator and not up to you sweethart.

    DDC: I hear violins… U r so tedious…

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  226. “With people like you spitting this non-sense rhetoric we’ll never get to the point where individuals are judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

    DDC: No sweetheart , with people like u commited to perpetuating white supremacy and racism in the world we can’t get past this. U don’t want to stop benefiting from it, that is pretty obvious.”

    how is he perpetuating white supremacy and racism? honestly curious. maybe i’m missing something, but it seems to me he’s far more open to dropping any kind of racial pretense than given credit for.

    another honest question: what specifically can an open minded, non-racist white person do to convince you they are not at all interested in perpetuating white supremacy and racism?

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  227. @ George Ryder

    I do not comment too frequently on Abagond’s blog, but I do sense a sense of bewilderment on your part and frustration on others.

    Firstly George, this is NOT about you, and I’m not being flippant here. This is a system that was bequeathed to us by our ancestors – black, white and to other peoples of colour. You have to get away from being WHITE or thinking such. None of us, save for the very, very wealthy and those who have an experimental social agendum, can do anything about the colour of our skin in the course of our normal everyday lives.

    Cease fixating on the colour of your skin; IT IS A DISTRACTION. Let’s discuss CULTURAL LEGACIES. Human being create culture, human beings can dismantle it. Where is George, the son, the brother, the uncle, the student, and the employee – THE NICE GUY?
    How did your skin colour make you any of those? – except possibly an employee.

    All of us are descendants and social creatures of this system that has been in place for many, many centuries/generations, which is still having devastating effects on some of us even today. This this is especially true for those, that the system deems inferior, and at one stage of our existence, bereft of humanity.
    Our skin is no more than a social and political package in which others had culturally en-wrapped OUR ANCESTORS – for some, a bit tighter than others – inversely/conversely – who in turn has passed it on to future generations.

    In an article I read recently, written by a black woman: she was emphatic that she could never date a white man and gave her reasons; they were historical, sociological and psychological. One white male commenter responded:

    “I am not self-privileged because of being white or male, only what others may reflect upon me for being such. I was not raised to assume I was entitled to anything, or was any better than anyone else, due to my lot in life of being a Caucasian male – just those inalienable rights to freedom, liberty, and justice FOR ALL” A deliberative thought on his part, on the racial dynamic complexities in America, if one is an American of European descent.

    You did not ask to be born a white male; you had no decision in the matter; however, with privilege comes responsibility. Try to change the cultural dynamics within your sphere of influence. It may be as inconsequential as telling your brother, sister, friend, significant other that his/her racial comment is unbecoming in this day and age – I wouldn’t recommend you saying it to your boss, unless you are able to comfortable discuss matters of race with him/her.

    If you watch television, view the programs critically for the many political or social messages you see and hear. Often times codes words are used – welfare queen, welfare, urban, thugs, drug dealer, (are you hearing subtexts?), States’ Rights, especially if the latter has US geographical connotations. Again, assuming you’re an American, ask yourself, why do the media not represent what I see in America? When was the last time you watched television program (assuming you watch television) and Whites (think culture) was not shown in a positive light or there wasn’t a balance to offset a/the negativism. In most instances, IF black people or POC are shown, it is shown in the most stereotypical way.

    You may ask, but how can little GR change what I view on my television screen? Ask your friend to do likewise, and before you know, you’ll have an army of critical television viewers and thinkers, and the hope is, you and others will start questioning the programming providers. That could also apply to the society at large.

    Not to make my comment more tedious: to your, the “blanket statements to the effect of “all blacks are lazy” or “all blacks see white people as former slave owners” – (I’m not saying that you say it, or even think it); ost black people are inured, and their skin is preened as ducks feathers, to the many, many stereotypical comments made by white people in their workaday lives (think culture). As a matter of fact, most Blacks assume that most Whites believe the stereotypes, make judgements about black people based hem, and even have taken actions based on them – where and when possible. You may ask how black people know this. – Because there is a track record, culturally, of them doing it and worse. At times, we do ignore them for sake of our sanity, except when their actions are just so egregious.

    Lastly, what’s with the “evil white man?” I know it’s an ascription to which others have imbued you, BUT are you or were you George the/an evil white man? You’ve got decouple white from George. It won’t be easy; the “white club” (think culture) can be unforgiving of those who decide to chart new waters.

    Your humanity should never be predicated merely on the colour of your skin. Unfortunately, although you may not subscribe to that belief, others do, hence my use of the “white club.”

    Focus on the culture and view it on a macro-level.

    And this, “if i am welcome in future conversations perhaps i should just listen and say i’m sorry repeatedly instead of getting defensive.” is a very good place to start.
    Remember, you’re the son, the brother, possibly father, the significant other, the student, the employee/employer, the uncle, who without fault of your own, got culturally wrapped in political, social packages, based primarily on skin colour. It is our responsibility to remove the racial encumbrances that are appended to, or culturally wrapped within those (black/white) packages. And, since some of us, especially those of European stock are in control the cultural (politics, economics, judiciary, education, etc.) levers, their efforts will have a greater impact, if they begin to discuss these issues among themselves, but they’ll have to start by listening to what POC are saying. Cheers!

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  228. @Ubuntu: Eloquent words.

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  229. @mary burrell

    I cosign. Very well said Ubuntu

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  230. @ George Ryder
    Just to import a semblance of balance to the “white club” – among some Blacks/ POC, you may be viewed with a bit of distrust and suspicion for a little while – should you decide to passage from being White to when George Ryder emerges. You may even be viewed as an interloper; but that too is the result and part of the brew, that is America’s racial cultural legacy. Key? Observe!, Listen!

    I read more than I comment on Abogond’s blog, but I can assure, some of the comments that you read here, are out of a sense of frustration of not being heard; and trust me, it really gets tiresome.

    Generation after generation of Blacks utter the same refrain and all you get from the other side is: it’s Blacks’ fault. – From Chattel slavery, Jim Crow, black people’s inability to read just after slavery was abolished, and the list goes on. – More contemporarily, RAP (not a fan): although, that genre of music was never around in the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, seventies – and yet Blacks were saying the same thing then as they are as they are saying now – the three constants never change. Certainly, we’ve accomplished quite a bit since those times, but we still have a very long way to go.

    There is an ancient African word; the root of it, if I’m not mistaken is derived from old Bantu:

    It is loosely translated: We are all in this together, but its more recent translation/usage is: Your humanity ceases to exist, should you deny me my own.

    Cheers!

    Thanks Mary Burrell! Thanks Sharina!

    I apologize for the typos and missing punctuation marks in my last post.

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  231. on Mon 20 Jan 2014 at 18:30:47 bygodsloveandgrace

    Dear Ubuntu,

    “Your humanity ceases to exist, should you deny me my own.”

    Thanks for providing a very succinct but powerful saying. It has really resonated with me. I’ve also enjoyed reading your exchanges with George.

    While you mentioned rarely commenting on Abagond’s blogs, I hope you will reconsider engaging in future discussions. I have enjoyed reading many thoughtful contributors’ perspectives and think you would be a welcomed addition.

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  232. on Thu 30 Jan 2014 at 12:24:47 Nancy Vukovic

    WOW.
    I just like to think of myself as a person.
    I live in Western Sydney, Australia, which has one of the highest immigration levels anywhere. It is a very exciting place to live. My kids’ best friends come from anywhere and everywhere, and I welcome them all. It’s so great to see a generation not poisoned by race awareness.
    If you think about it, horses and guinea pigs etc. come in different colours and we don’t think one is any better than another, do we? We are all one race! Humans!

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  233. @ Ubuntu:

    Excellent posts.

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  234. @Uncle Milton does it matter? Many is many. I pretty much agreed with everything you wrote abagond. when you look at how white people are so eager to want to own and claim EVERYthing for theirs, even if it is CLEARLY someone else’s? it kinda makes you wonder if there’s something evil about all of them. something they can’t help because it’s simply in their blood, their nature. the very essence of evil. it starts from their culture, this mindset they are instilled with from birth. that they have rights to everything and can do whatever they want because they are white. nothing has changed. look at what they did to the South and Central Americans, to the Indians, to the Native Americans, to Africans, to the aboriginal Australians, to the people of the Phillipines, to the people of the necobar islands, and sooooooooo many more countless examples that white people have a serious flaw and defect that seems to be pretty darn incurable. the ONLY life they value is that which they can exploit, manipulate and turn into the almighty dollar. even average everyday white people. them too. all they value is money, and nothing else. people of color tend to value family and tradition, from what i can tell by looking at POC all over the world.
    the only regret i have is that POC have yet to rally forth together and take back what is theirs, and right the wrongs done against them from the past. white people sure as hell won’t, and they’ll go on living up the good life at the expense of people of color til the earth ceases to turn.

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  235. My boss (white), made a comment about an African photographic exhibition, but did not even realise that it was derogatory and denigrating…but when I pointed out that he ought not to use this comment to describe, he then talked himself out of it, saying it was just the wrong turn of phrase, however, I know it is a deeply rooted subconsciousness that blacks are basically inferior. My boss would never believe that he is racist, quite the opposite. (I am black btw). I searched for a site that would explain this, and your words say exactly WHAT IT IS!!!! Thank you, for putting it into words.

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  236. @ Joy: Your comment reminds me of the Fredrich Nietzche quote” Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions destroyed”. You know who your boss is. He has showed you who he is. Believe him.

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  237. on Thu 20 Feb 2014 at 02:40:55 bygodsloveandgrace

    @ abagond

    Great post. I often wondered why some White people, who supposedly have all of the advantages, feel the need to demonize people of color.

    Why the constant comparisons across areas such as crime, welfare, economy, family, etc.? It boggles my mind the level of insecurity. Daily I see articles or blogs aimed at tearing us down and quite frankly it’s disheartening.

    At times, our society seems to be moving backwards in race relations when we should be evolving. Why the constant need to diminish our value”?

    If anything, I appreciate our resilience. We have survived amid great obstacles. But supremacists certainly love to hinder any progress we try to make.
    It’s exhausting.

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  238. WOW.
    I just like to think of myself as a person.
    I live in Western Sydney, Australia, which has one of the highest immigration levels anywhere. It is a very exciting place to live. My kids’ best friends come from anywhere and everywhere, and I welcome them all. It’s so great to see a generation not poisoned by race awareness.
    If you think about it, horses and guinea pigs etc. come in different colours and we don’t think one is any better than another, do we? We are all one race! Humans!

    Nancy,

    Those of European descent created the concept of race because they believed themselves to be the superior version of humanity, and it still holds true today. And history shows they wanted the whole world to know that whether they want to or not. We still see that supremacy today.

    If they had thought then what you think today, the world would be extremely different.

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  239. ABBAS,

    Some whites fear us when you are few in an area where most people are black. It’s due to stereotypes that they hold onto to, stereotypes they’ve created and won’t let go.

    And tell me, how come whenever white people mention black people, the one word you can be sure they will utter is ‘criminal’?

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  240. I thought Abbas got banned…

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  241. @ Kiwi

    He is banned. He was able to get on by using his girlfriend’s computer. I deleted his comments.

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  242. Come to think of it, Abbas does sound familiar.

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  243. Why do you hate yourselves? Insufferable bondage of being outcast from your homelands. Decades ago I worked with a man from Uganda. He told me that it was accepted history that the African tribes sent their miscreants and criminals into “slavery” to foreign lands. What you see in your mirror is the truth.

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  244. ALL negroes are violent.

    Thus, we hate ALL negroes because of their skin color.

    It only makes sense.

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  245. @TSK

    Wow, your mindset is racist, ignorant and sick! Not all Blacks are violent. There is good and bad in ALL races, cultures and ethnic groups. People like you are so small minded and ignorant that you don’t even notice that people are individuals regardless of their ethnicity and race.

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  246. well that’s not racist at all is it, of course it is.
    if i racially abused you in the street, you’d probably hit me for it.
    if you racially abused me , id just laugh and walk on, ignoring your comment.
    its quite clear that black people are always jealous of white people and its really hurts, i think its sad, really sad.
    i am no member of masons / Illuminati but yet i am talked about like im holding every black person back. truth is the more times you black people post comments like this your branding every white person the same.
    i don’t do that with all black people but i see more kill whitey & wipe out the white people than i ve ever seen racism and wipe out the nigger.
    you guys are so arrogant you claim we took the word nigger and took the power out of the word by using it themselves. .
    perhaps if you teach your baboon friends that an insult is and always will be an insult
    oh and the traits of races vary much so in what they listen to, watch on tv , what they drink , what products they buy. all has an effect by subliminal advertising.
    eg. coca cola is telling you to snort cocaine

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  247. ^^^ I let through Truther’s comments as an example of the sort of stuff that gets moderated out.

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  248. You’ve obviously hit a nerve with these kind of fools, Abagond. That’s why they drop by here giving there unwanted two cents.

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  249. Rather than recycle a stale article from years ago, exert a little bit of effort. Try something new and equally valid?

    Why do the Chinese hate, demonize, fear and look down on the black sub Saharan African?

    Why do the Japanese hate, demonise, fear and look down on the black sub-Saharan African?

    Why do the Indians (from the sub continent), fear and look down on the black sub-Saharan African?

    Why do the Arabs … well, you get my drift.

    Before you begin to write any such fresh and new article, make absolutely sure that you ignore the fact that no group of sub-Saharan Africans, from anywhere, has ever done anything to deserve a scintilla of respect from any group of sentient humans on this planet.

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  250. @ Targo

    no group of sub-Saharan Africans, from anywhere, has ever done anything to deserve a scintilla of respect from any group of sentient humans on this planet

    C’mon, you know that’s not true.

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  251. “Why do the Japanese hate, demonise, fear and look down on the black sub-Saharan African?”

    Linda says,

    Targo, why do white Americans find it necessary to drag everyone into their “race-games”… yes, many people around the world are prejudiced against Africans and their next door neighbors…so what!

    calling out other people doesn’t take away from American societies “sins”

    you need to deal with the sh’t in your own toilet, and leave everyone else to clean out theirs.

    Ethiopia and Japan’s Aborted Marriage Alliance

    http://bawza.com/2014/01/20/ethiopia-and-japan%E2%80%99s-aborted-marriage-alliance/

    Ethiopia and Japan had been communicating for some time concerning their economic and political interests. Many Japanese nationalists thought it was necessary to unite the colored races against the white.

    Guangzhou is witnessing many Afro-Chinese marriages, but the mainland’s lack of citizenship rights for husbands and a crackdown on foreign visas means families live in fear of being torn apart.

    http://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/article/1521076/afro-chinese-marriages-boom-guangzhou-will-it-be-til-death?page=all

    The relationship with Africa that China has so aggressively courted for economic gain – 2012 saw a record US$198 billion of trade between the pair – is producing an unexpected return: the mainland’s first mixed-race generation with blood from a distant continent and the right to be Chinese.

    Chinese prejudice against Africans is normally based on three aspects: traditional aesthetic values, an ignorance of African culture and society, and the language barrier.

    Furthermore, until the 1970s, foreigners were not permitted to live in the mainland, let alone marry a Chinese. When a child is born, the parents must register its ethnicity with the authorities: of the 56 boxes they can tick, “mixed-race” is not an option.

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  252. @ Targo

    1. If you read the post you would know why I reposted it.

    2. I have written about the anti-Black prejudice in China and the Arab world:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/arab-racism-against-blacks/

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/06/13/the-genocide-in-southern-sudan/

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2007/03/30/darfur/

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/lou-jing/

    3. I have also written about those who deflect discussions about White American racism by bringing up Asians and Arabs:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/10/03/the-arab-trader-argument/

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/10/28/asian-atrocity-argument/

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  253. Its funny how people like Tango really believe that Whites are universally respected and loved worldwide. They seem to have no idea what the Japanese and Chinese and Middle Easterners are saying about them! Lol. But, of course, in those cases, it must just be jealousy or something… I mean who wouldn’t love White people, right?

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  254. @ Kiwi

    Right, what have Whites ever done to hurt anyone?

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  255. @Linda

    the mainland’s first mixed-race generation with blood from a distant continent and the right to be Chinese.

    We know this is not true, right? You know that Chinese men brought their mixed black Children back to China as far back as the 19th century.

    It is true that China requires “nationality” of its citizens to be registered on their identity card, and there is no such thing as “mixed”. Since China has some 56-57 official “nationalities”, African-Chinese people are not necessarily different from, say, mixed Uyghur-Han in that respect. People are forced to choose.

    Well, prior to 2000, Americans were forced to “tick the box” and pick a single racial identity. But they did not have to carry ID cards indicating their race like many other countries.

    It is likely that these people will be forced to tick “Han Chinese” if their mother is Han, as they do not (yet) have official ethnic minorities of African origin.

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  256. @Targo

    “no group of sub-Saharan Africans, from anywhere, has ever done anything to deserve a scintilla of respect from any group of sentient humans on this planet”

    So much for mathematics, astronomy, construction, art, or language. Those aren’t significant contributions at all.

    @Linda

    Thanks…that was an interesting article!

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  257. @King

    They seem to have no idea what the Japanese and Chinese and Middle Easterners are saying about them!

    I am just trying to imagine Asians justifying prejudice against blacks by comparing themselves to whites. It’s simply a ludicrous idea.

    Or maybe Japanese are justifying their prejudice against Ainu (or Han justifying prejudice against Uyghurs) by stating how whites feel about Ainu (or Uyghurs).

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  258. “Jefe,
    We know this is not true, right? You know that Chinese men brought their mixed black Children back to China as far back as the 19th century. ”

    Linda,

    Yes, Jefe… we know this has been happening in China since then, but as we all mentioned in the other posts, most people have NO idea about Asia’s history whether in the USA or outside of the USA– then or Now!

    The one thing that most people fail to understand is that, yes, racism and prejudice exists around the world but the difference is that most countries absorbed/s their mixed-black population into the majority; whereas,

    in the USA, white American society Rejected/s their mixed-black population. They may have been absorbed in the past by accident because they looked “white” enough to Pass and no one knew they had African blood.

    but white America hated black people so much, that they even took their rejection of Africans a step further by making and passing Laws about the “purity of whiteness” — One Drop Rule and Jim Crow–

    they took their racial BS to another level that no one else around the world had — they made such a science out of it, that even the Nazi Germans and white Boers/ South African took their Cues from white America and looked to them to get advice!

    and just to say, I also believe that absorbing the mixed-race African descendants into a majority society is problematic because it allows Society and the mixed-race individuals to continue to look down and diminish Africans and African heritage and treat it like it’s a bad thing…. this is the problem I had with many Latino societies (and my Honduran relatives)

    The prejudice and colourism is still there. Depending on the country, you will now hear people say, “Oh, we are tri-racial or multi-racial” but trust, they’ll call out their Irish or Spanish grandparents 1st before they even mention who was black African or Native American in the family-if they even know or remember.

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  259. Tago has it analy backwards…this quote from Lindas link is more acurate

    “Chinese prejudice against Africans is normally based on three aspects: traditional aesthetic values, an ignorance of African culture and society, and the language barrier”

    What these other cultures have in common with the USA is, they just arnt going to recognise the real value and knowledge that has been passed onto the world from ancient pre Islamic , pre Christian black Africans, while these Afro diasporic cultural fundimentals became the foundations of cultural expresions of many countries that brought slaves in numbers from Africa, and, other parts of the world revel in participating in Afro diasporic cultural foundations , with out really being able to give it the credit for the contributions to human trajectory they represent …

    at the same time, because of the innovative and progresive nature of Afro diasporic cultures, they grate against the values of other cultures in the world , and , there inevitably are these bannings and represions of these cultures , from religioius or political , or just uptight sources in various other countries..and various decades and eras…its too much and too blatent to not be able to see it for the cultural racism that it is…

    yes , these other cultures look down on Afro diasporic black culture..for all the wrong reasons…

    to forge real bonds between poc, the cultural fault lines are going to have to be recognised and dealt with…if ignored…if the truths are ignored..there never will be any real unity…at some point, the cultural fault lines will clash

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  260. Everything I read points to inferiority complex. Thinking about your self as a victim give you an excuse for why you are a member of a failed race. I cant imagine what it would be like to be a member of a race that contributes nothing to the society. Like parasites your people destroying our neighborhoods, schools, use our stupid women to display your hatred and resentment. I understand that with 85 IQ average its very difficult to be a productive member of the society, so all the standards have to be lowered in order to include you, so some of you can get a job and support your self. Instead of asking why we hate you give me one reason why we shouldn’t.

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  261. Calling me name will not explain crime statistics. Why don’t you look up how many white women are raped by black vs black women by white men?

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  262. And please list successful black countries, or nice safe black neighborhoods?

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  263. Calling me names will not explain crime statistics. Why don’t you look up how many white women are raped by blacks vs black women by white men?

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  264. @ Boris Sorkin

    Instead of asking why we hate you give me one reason why we shouldn’t.

    Because blacks are human beings.

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  265. I am sorry its 75 IQ average, 5% higher then mildly retarded level. George, if you had a bossiness would you hire someone who is mentally challenged? I wouldn’t ether. Would you like to live in predominantly black neighborhood? I would love to hear why you think I am wrong?

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  266. Low IQ=cant learn=un employable=high crime rate=overflowing prisons=dysfunctional family=strain on social programs=white men is the devil.
    Someone is to blame for this. So white people gave blacks low IQ!

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  267. No argument to prove me wrong? What a surprise!

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  268. on Tue 15 Jul 2014 at 11:51:42 munu aka Bantu

    @Boris Sorkin
    “No argument to prove me wrong? What a surprise!”

    Not so fast!
    The main reason people here are not engaging you after your last comments is that they have already seen similar (almost “copy and paste”) arguments in the past in this same blog.
    If you are new to this blog I suggest that you take some time and walk the many discussions up here. Surely you will find an answer to your concerns.
    Anyway…
    I took notice that you asked:
    “And please list successful black countries, or nice safe black neighborhoods?”
    Apparently you don’t believe that neither “successful black countries” nor “nice safe black neighborhoods” exist.
    As I said, there many threads in this blog and some of them include rich discussions about those topics.
    I’ll skip the “successful black countries” issue because this would depend on the very definition of what is a “SUCCESSFUL country”, and I’ll go straight to the existence or not of “nice safe black neighborhoods”.

    Such nice places actually exist both in America and in Africa!

    In America:

    Look at the post (https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/02/13/the-black-middle-class-in-america/) where is said that

    “Because so many poor blacks live at the doorstep of the American media machine, in New York and Los Angeles, many whites have this picture of blacks as being mainly poor. They would be in utter shock if they drove through some of the all-black middle class suburbs of, say, New York or Atlanta.
    It is a part of America you rarely see on television or in films, yet it is one of the most notable changes that has taken place in the country in the past 50 years.”

    In Africa:

    Look closely at the pictures in the following links and ask yourself if in such urban environments you really don’t expect “nice neighborhoods” to exist.

    Lagos, Nigeria (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1656110)
    Nairobi, Kenya (http://www.nairaland.com/51356/nairobi-photos-kenya-beautiful-east/1)
    Maputo, Mozambique (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1446879&page=60) or (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1627875&page=4)

    Yes, comrade Boris, there is a World out there, in rapid change. Try to update your views about it, as soon as you can. Otherwise you can wake up tomorrow being unable to recognize it!
    Good luck!

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  269. @ Boris Sorkin

    “Instead of asking why we hate you give me one reason why we shouldn’t.”

    Do YOU hate Blacks? If so, why?

    “No argument to prove me wrong? What a surprise!”

    Most of what you have said has been said a zillion times before on this blog and argued at length:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/broken-record-dept/

    If you cannot find the right post for any of your points, please let me know on that thread. Thanks.

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  270. Why is it that every troll that comes to this blog wants someone to prove them wrong? It is as if they are too dumb to manage to do the research.

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  271. Boris Sorkin

    “Instead of asking why we hate you give me one reason why we shouldn’t.”—I can give you several, but it would first require that I lower my iq to do so and then it would require I pacify your ignorance. Two things that I am not currently bored enough to do.

    “Calling me name will not explain crime statistics.”—Neither will you posting in here pretending you understand them.

    As to your IQ claims, can you please post IQ’s from this century. I think it is a bit slow of you to be arguing based on scores from the 90s or earlier.🙂

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  272. @ Blacks Hate Themselves, Whites Don’t: Comment deleted for use of racial slurs.

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/comment-policy/

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  273. It is 2014 and it doesn’t look so good to be white, in any country. Russia might last awhile but Europe is burning and America is dead. Congratulations, you can feel good about electing your first black President and now China owns you all. Freedom was nice while it lasted.

    In real life Africa is a horrible place because a lot of horrible people live there. Kind of like how Mexico and central America are horrible places filled with horrible people, but then maybe you like living someplace where people burn and eat each other in the streets. If so, you will get the chance, because it is coming to a neighborhood near you half a million illegals at a time.

    Black IQs have not improved after half a century of assistance, but everyone else has had their performance decline though the tests have been dumbed down, predictable formulas instead of relational problems for example. Special help can allow a black kid to almost catch up, but the gains are lost by their teens. The ultimate consequence is that more equal results enforced in schools and colleges fail to produce capable personnel. In real life, engineers were doing things with slide rules back in the fifties that they can’t figure out with computers today.

    But don’t worry, when affirmative action is rolled back the colleges that use to have you in them will be filled with asians and they will not be burdened by your political correctness. They bought your debt, your house and your largest food producers and when they round you up into debtors camps, they will have chain gangs for you to find work in.

    As for whites raping blacks, I think that might have happened in the sixties, though they may have simply mistaken her for a sheep.I think whites may have gang raped someone too, but that was during the Fall of Carthage.

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  274. Haha

    I don’t know why I choose to reply to moron, but I’m bored so what the hell. China owned the USA for years now (try way before Obama). It is just a matter of when and if they choose to take it.

    AS to Africa perhaps you should read up on what is actually happening in Africa instead of what your little mind believes is happening in Africa. I bet you believe it is a country right?

    Everyone else had their performance decline because they probably were not that smart to begin with. Besides what is your excuse for why the IQ of Asian and African immigrants still outshine whites in the US? Besides I just read a few articles of black kids (not teenagers) who are already in college. at a young age. Many of them home schooled. On top of that I am curious for the low iqs in white school in white neighborhoods?

    “But don’t worry, when affirmative action is rolled back the colleges that use to have you in them will be filled with Asians and they will not be burdened by your political correctness.”—Most of those schools are already filled with Asians and they still are outshining the whites who complain about how they are making the course too hard. So what.

    In short you have managed to confuse an American issue with a black issue.

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  275. But don’t worry, when affirmative action is rolled back the colleges that use to have you in them will be filled with Asians and they will not be burdened by your political correctness.

    How am I burdened by black people’s “political correctness”? And how am I not already burdened by white people’s “political correctness”?

    In real life Africa is a horrible place because a lot of horrible people live there. Kind of like how Mexico and central America are horrible places filled with horrible people, but then maybe you like living someplace where people burn and eat each other in the streets.

    Just curious. Have you ever been to Mexico or Africa? Lots of nice people live there and no, none of them were burning or eating each other in the streets.

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  276. on Fri 25 Jul 2014 at 08:40:07 Person of Candor

    If ships from West Africa or China had reached the Americas first they would have been exactly as cruel and colonialist as the Europeans. Whites aren’t inherently any crueler than any other race.

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  277. on Fri 25 Jul 2014 at 11:18:20 thokozilespiritualhealer

    U still believe whites were the first to circumnavigate the globe? Foolish child,

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  278. Person of Candor

    And that is your problem. You have this idea that because European did it everyone will do it. Sorry but it does not work that way.

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  279. @ thokozilespiritualhealer

    Exactly. Zheng He sailed from China to as far as the coast of Africa a century before Christopher Columbus’s time. He led a fleet that would have made Columbus’s three ships look like dinghies. Zheng He was not cruel to the Africans nor did the Chinese ever colonize Africa, unlike the Europeans. Some of Zheng He’s men stayed behind and married the local women. Their descendants are alive today. Many were even offered scholarships to study in China. Columbus, on the other hand, decimated most of the Native population of Hispaniola. Whites are not inherently crueler. They just have a culture that dehumanizes other people racially.

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  280. @ Kiwi

    You beat me to it.🙂

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  281. @ Kiwi

    The problem with people like Person of Candor is that they have never heard of Admiral Zheng, or the great Treasure Ships. They are completely ignorant of non-Eurpoean history.

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  282. I hereby declare this exchange to be classic…

    “George, if you had a bossiness would you hire someone who is mentally challenged?”

    @Boris

    Do you mean if i had a “business”???

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  283. From experience.

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  284. @ TangGo

    You mean direct experience gained by whites, nearly all of whom live around blacks, right?

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  285. on Mon 18 Aug 2014 at 15:50:25 northernlights24

    While searching the WWW, I came across this site and your discussion re why whites hate blacks, Although I haven’t read every comment I have read many and I have to admit I’m rather shocked to learn how white people are viewed by the black people who have posted here. Let me start off by saying I’m not a racist. I wasn’t raised that way and I didn’t raise my daughter that way. She has dated white men as well as black men; white men early on in her life then black men exclusively. I did ask her one time if she had experienced any comments from people and she said the only people that have said anything negative to her were a few black women, but mostly dirty looks. She said she was approached by a few black woman over the years saying she shouldn’t date blacks because she was them away from the black women. I never had a problem whatsoever with her dating or for that matter marrying a man of another race as long as whoever she was with treated her with respect and loved her. That’s what I told her father (divorced) when he expressed his disapproval and she had no problem putting him in his place when he confronted her. I don’t deny that racism exists, believe me, and I’m not saying each and every one of you hasn’t experienced first hand prejudice or racism. Someone asked why a white person would want to mate with someone who lacks simple intelligence, is uncommonly ugly and has no moral standards.To answer that, I doubt you could find anyone would who would want to marry someone of that caliber, regardless of their race. They aren’t exactly redeeming qualities you know. Not all white people are how they’ve been described here. To name a few, we have been depicted as having a superiority complex, we believe every single black person is an armed robber, that we look down on, fear & laugh at blacks, That we fear black gangs & black rapists, we are racist because we are jealous as well as envious & that we are not happy being white, that we have access to money and power, that white is demonic and that we need blacks to be our punching bag. It was even said “These people” hate us. “These people”?? I couldn’t believe I’d read that. I’ve have heard people say “those people” and as soon as it’s said, they’re confronted with “what do you mean “those people”, because those words alone are negative and considered to be prejudicial or a sign or racism. I have no idea the number of white people who are truly racist or prejudiced against blacks or blacks against white for that matter, but by the same token you can’t say all white people are haters or racists because doing so is no less racist than a white person saying all blacks are lazy or criminals. I’m of the belief there is good in most people. Up until this moment I had no idea we (as whites) were viewed this way and I can only hope the majority do not share the same opinion. FYI, I don’t fear black gangs, I fear all gangs. I don’t fear black rapists, I fear all rapists. .I wouldn’t think of looking down on you, nor am I jealous, envious or terrified if a black person were to be polite or cordial. . I’m certainly not unhappy being white, as one person said. As a matter of fact, I think about being white about as much as I think about being right handed or brown eyed. A statement was made accusing whites of believing blackness is demonic while another stated whiteness was demonic. How about we not demonize any race in its entirety. .Nobody wants to be the victim of racism or have it happen to someone you know or love. You know how you feel when it happens to you, but that’s exactly what you’ve done by calling all whites haters, not to mention the long list of how we have been inaccurately described.. I can hear that you’re angry and I can’t begin to imagine the difficulties you’ve encountered during your lives but perpetuating racism isn’t the solution. I don’t expect to change the minds of those who have made these comments. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I wanted to share my thoughts and my perspective

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  286. @ northernlights24

    I did not say ALL Whites, I said MANY.

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  287. northernlights24

    “Although I haven’t read every comment I have read many and I have to admit I’m rather shocked to learn how white people are viewed by the black people who have posted here.”—This is a great assumption that just wows me each time. Do not, I repeat, do not assume everyone in here is black or American.

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  288. my b/f thought it was funny and he put another title on my post after I got up to go to the bathroom….he just now told me what he did and I apologize for his ignorance. I’d like to repost it correctly if I’d be allowed to do so

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  289. @ northernlights24

    Go ahead and repost.

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  290. Why are Africans so backward? The governments, the institutions, the populations — all backward and self-defeatingly incompetent.

    Africa News from the Wall Street Journal

    Ebola Virus: For Want of Gloves, Doctors Die

    Health Workers Believe Ebola’s Toll on Staff Could Be Mitigated With More Basic Hospital Supplies

    By Drew Hinshaw
    Updated Aug. 16, 2014 2:43 a.m. ET

    In the Liberian capital of Monrovia, the city’s main hospital has very little staff and few patients — an exodus triggered by several Ebola-related deaths at the facility.

    SERGEANT KOLLIE TOWN, Liberia—Rubber gloves were nearly as scarce as doctors in this part of rural Liberia, so Melvin Korkor would swaddle his hands in plastic grocery bags to deliver babies.

    His staff didn’t bother even with those when a woman in her 30s stopped by complaining of a headache. Five nurses, a lab technician—then a local woman who was helping out—cared for her with their bare hands.

    Within weeks, all of them died. The woman with a headache, they learned too late, had Ebola.

    Somewhere in the workplace exchange of handshakes and sweat, Dr. Korkor caught the virus, too. For five days, he read the Bible on a cot in an Ebola ward, watching his colleagues bleed to death from a disease they weren’t equipped or trained to treat. Across the room, a nurse pregnant with what would have been her third child slipped away. “She told me ‘Doc, I’m dying,’ ” he recalled Kou Gbanjah saying.

    (Ebola virus: Liberian authorities start re-hospitalizing patients who fled clinic).

    Though Dr. Korkor survived, his hospital has closed, as have dozens of other health centers in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea. It is a devastating setback for countries facing a range of deadly diseases in addition to Ebola. The World Health Organization estimates the region’s Ebola outbreak has killed 1,145 people, roughly half the 2,127 believed to have been infected. West African countries that had only begun to climb out from civil war and poverty have slipped into economic disarray.

    Much of this toll could have been avoided or at least mitigated, hospital workers on the front lines say, if they had been provided with medical basics, starting with one of the simplest: disposable rubber gloves.

    Instead, health workers have been treating many patients with unprotected hands, greatly increasing the risk the Ebola virus will kill the very professionals trying to fight it.

    As of Tuesday, at least 36 health workers in Liberia had died from the disease, according to health ministry records. Many who have caught but survived the virus are traumatized, as are colleagues, and may prove difficult to coax back to work.

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  291. @abagond,, Thank you for giving me an opportunity to repost. I certainly don’t condone those actions, nor do I share that opinion.

    The following is my repost:

    @abagond, I don’t know why you responded saying “I did not say ALL Whites, I said MANY”. I never said you did. I never mentioned you or any other name for that matter.

    The following paragraph is not directed at any one individual:

    When comments are made about racism, or any other topic, I think it’s very important to be specific about how wide spread you feel the problem is and by leaving out that information you give the impression it’s the entire group of people. In one reply to a post someone said “not all white people….” and the reply to that was “congratulations, now you know how it feels to be stereotyped”. When someone isn’t specific, such as the examples in my first post, the message becomes convoluted. As an example (and I am not saying I hold this opinion); if I were to say, “Blacks have a chip on their shoulders and have a sense of entitlement because their ancestors were slaves”, it gives the impression I’m saying ALL blacks if I’m not specific.

    @Sharina, I think I just got wow’d too (yes I realize I just made up a word). I find it amusing when someone feels the need to repeat themselves for nothing more than emphasis. But I will respond in kind. I am perfectly capable of reading, therefore, do not assume, I repeat, do not assume I required your redundancy. (end of private message)

    .In closing, I did find it a bit odd but not all that surprising that those were your responses to my post. I would have thought it might have produced some worthwhile dialogue but I can see your opinions are so deeply seeded that you aren’t interested in trying to see things from another perspective and I find that a shame. I came here and continued to read posts in the hopes I could see another perspective as well, not just leave mine. But it seems some are more interested in commiserating than narrowing the wide gap that you see between the races. Change sometimes takes a very long time but don’t you see the importance of reaching even one person at a time. You have the opportunity to do that here and I hope you have. But I worry after they’ve read the comments here, you’ll miss the opportunity that you may have had to make a positive change in that person. Seeing this was my first time here, I really don’t know the purpose or mission of this ongoing thread so maybe it was never intended to make a positive change but merely a place to post comments.

    Thank you abagond.

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  292. northernlights24

    I am perfectly capable of reading, therefore, do not assume, I repeat, do not assume I required your redundancy.”—-I didn’t assume. I just went by what you said which is “I have to admit I’m rather shocked to learn how white people are viewed by the black people who have posted here.” This is your own statement making it very clear that you thought it was a bunch of black people posting here.

    So while you may be fully capable of reading, you apparently weren’t too capable of reading what you posted or remembering it.

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  293. Abagond

    It still amazes me that you make one sentence and people begin to assume what you believe, what you aren’t doing, and what you don’t want to do. Lol

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  294. northernlights24

    Now that I am at my computer I can respond in full.

    I will repeat what a person said on open thread that really is more detailed on addressing such matters.

    “When I say “whites”, “Asians”, “blacks”, I never mean ALL, or necessarily even MOST. It means some, or possibly many. I saw in other comments how you object to terms like “whites”, “Asians”, etc. as “intelligent” people interpret that to mean all. I would counter that intelligent people don’t, or at least shouldn’t interpret it that way.

    And if you use all encompassing words like ALL or NEVER in your statements (esp. in CAPS), then people, even intelligent people, may interpret your statement to mean 100% or 0% of the cases. Unless you have actually examined 100% of the cases, it will undermine your credibility to use such all encompassing statements like that.( https://abagond.wordpress.com/open-thread/#comment-246740)

    “I would have thought it might have produced some worthwhile dialogue but I can see your opinions are so deeply seeded that you aren’t interested in trying to see things from another perspective and I find that a shame.”—Based on two simple statements you made a complete assumption (yet again). You already have it set in your mind what we believe, feel, think, are not interested in doing, and perhaps what color underwear we like. Why should I or anyone subject themselves to discussing with someone that already has developed an imaginary idea of what that person on the other end thinks? I say this often but it never gets old “when you assume you make an ass out of U and me.”

    You come to these blogs seeking out people who agree with your prospective and when you don’t find one you post your own ideas. I say this because I read through some comments and found many with varying ideas. You lecture people about what they are or are not doing and all the while this is nothing more than your elaborate assumptions subconsciously (possibly consciously) designed to make yourself out to be a superior individuals than the ones you are directing your ideas to.

    My goal is not to be rude, but it is to be realistic and as such the problem in what you see begins with you. For those that truly hate all whites they are not hard to find as they make it very clear.

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  295. northernlights24,

    After reading your comments, you just delivered almost every popular white proverb in existence.

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  296. @sharinalr @Sharina @Brothawolf You said “This is your own statement making it very clear that you thought it was a bunch of black people posting here”. This is quite an assumption as well as displaying your inability to comprehend. Where in my post did I ever mention “a bunch of blacks”. Those are your words, not mine. Where did I even mention a specific number that I believed were authored by blacks. I didn’t. What I said was “I’m rather shocked to learn how white people are viewed by black people”. So before you feel the need to critique my reading capabilities, I would suggest brushing up on your reading comprehension. You are hardly in any position to judge me while it’s blatant you can’t decipher one simple sentence. But if it’s still unclear let me simplify this even more. (shocked how blacks view whites).

    When typing whether in a text or in a forum such as this, it’s very important what you say doesn’t become convoluted. That’s why it’s important the reader isn’t left to interpret what you may have meant. You are judged on what you say and what you do not what you meant to say. So am I to understand if someone new comes to the thread they are supposed to know that it’s Sharina’s practice you “never mean ALL”. What you do by this omission is create unnecessary exchanges such as this. I have seen other posts where people are questioning the exact same thing. So it appears (and I’m only making an observation not a statement of fact) this is a confusing area for a number of people and you could avoid that unnecessary exchange merely by making your statements a bit less convoluted. And just so you’re clear on this, I do not object to the use of the words “whites”, “blacks” “asians” or even “Chihuahuas”. These are some of the examples to make it a bit clearer: “a few whites” or “quite a few blacks” or maybe even “one Chihuahua in heat and a great dane” would be helpful.

    I try not to make assumptions, however, when you are in a dialogue and sharing thoughts, one analyzes what is said and makes a determination based on that exchange and comes to what they believe is a reasonable conclusion. If, however, one or both fails to provide all the necessary facts/information by intentional omission or by accident, that’s where problems arise.

    There is one point where we do follow the same idea, oddly enough. I too agree that it appears you are not interested in any worthwhile dialogue. No I haven’t the desire nor the stomach to get the low down on your soiled underwear and the thought, quite frankly, is stomach churning. I had stated prior that I came here to get other’s perspective, as well as share my own. Did you breeze over that statement as well? Not surprising since it appears to be a habit you find difficult to break

    I don’t look for others that share my opinion. Besides I’d rather be in the company of blacks who don’t share my opinion than to be in the company of that poor white woman who is down on her knees, begging for forgiveness for the oppression of black folks, who says she would deserve it if ‘they’ fought back, who openly admits there is something wrong with her, but prays for your graciousness in absolving her for all the sins of the father visited upon the children. Hunny, get back up on your feet and take back some of the dignity you gave away. It’s hardly your fault or mine for what happened hundreds of years ago for crying out loud. If you are going to bow your head and pray, let it be to whatever God you may believe in. Only he can absolve you of your sins, not these people. You’re not responsible for something that happened some 400 years ago. Do you really think your simple “I’m sorry” has lessened their disdain for white people one single bit? I’ll be damned if I will apologize for something I haven’t done.

    Your next concern was cautioning me in the use of the words “ALL” and ‘NEVER”. I don’t believe I’ve used them in a way that would “tarnish’ my credibility so it’s a possibility you were merely offering some advice in case I made such grievous errors in the future. I may even decide to use these words in a way similar to your theory of omission, but in reverse. That is, using the words ALL or NEVER exclusively. But that wouldn’t mean I’m suggesting it’s really 100% or even 0% of the cases but maybe “some” or “a few”. After all, as long as people know my intent, it shouldn’t matter what words I omit or include, right?

    So let’s count, shall we:

    1. You made the assumption that I said “a bunch of blacks”;
    2. You assume those leaving comments should automatically know that if you make a statement such as “Whites are an ignorant bunch” (this was just a hypothetical example), you are not meaning that ALL are ignorant;
    3. You assumed I object to the use of the words white, asians and blacks when I do not object to those words at all. (This has already been addressed)
    4. You assume I don’t know the definition & proper use of the words “all” or “never”.
    5. You make the assumption I come to the blogs seeking people who agree with me; after all, I DID read many of the posts before I ever commented;
    6. You assumed I view myself as the more superior individual than the ones I’m directing my ideas, which is not only one of the biggest assumptions but is quite judgmental as well. You don’t know me as a person, nor do you know my character, morals, values or beliefs. You seem to be judging me while condemning those that judge you.

    Just for educational purposes, your use of the word “prospective” was incorrect. You confused the words “prospective” with “perspective”. The word prospective is used as follows: The white prospective juror was seated in the trial of a black man, as both attorneys were confident she would be fair and impartial.

    Perspective is used as follows : From my perspective, you have self-entitlement issues while blaming the white folk of today for something that happened 400 years ago. I found it quite amusing because I showed you how to spell it properly in my comment.

    I, too, have heard the saying “when you assume you make an ass out of U and me”. As you have made a plethora of assumptions, I would like to hand you a hankie so you can wipe off the ASSume which is dribbling down your chin at an alarming rate.

    @Hey bro, I just googled…Thanks for the credit, but I didn’t come anywhere near reciting every popular white proverb in existence.

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  297. northernlights24

    “This is quite an assumption as well as displaying your inability to comprehend.”—Unfortunately this not only shows your lack of comprehension, but a major issue with certain individuals ability to acknowledge and wrong and fix it. I actually quoted you in full what you said, but I will do it again and give a link.

    “Where in my post did I ever mention “a bunch of blacks”. Those are your words, not mine. “—Where in my post did I say you mentioned bunch of blacks? You quoted what I said and still fail to see your flaw. I said “This is your own statement making it very clear that you thought it was a bunch of black people posting here” which is referring to what you said here:

    “Although I haven’t read every comment I have read many and I have to admit I’m rather shocked to learn how white people are viewed by the black people who have posted here” (https://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/01/02/why-do-whites-hate-demonize-fear-and-look-down-on-blacks/#comment-248583).

    Above is your comment and it is clear from it you assumed there were blacks commenting in here. It does not say I am shocked about what others think or minorities think. So you can save the spinning for the educational lacking you may regularly deal with.

    “What I said was “I’m rather shocked to learn how white people are viewed by black people””—That is only half of your comment and I have posted the “who comment here” portion you conveniently left out.

    “So before you feel the need to critique my reading capabilities, I would suggest brushing up on your reading comprehension.”—No need because after this break down you will clearly see who needs that advice. Before I do so I will define assumption. Assumptions are “ thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.” With that being said let’s being.

    1. Nope. I actually quoted what you said and provided where you made that correlation based on a some comments you read.

    2. Nope. I made no such assumption. I actually explained it to you. In me explaining I was not assuming you knew.

    3. Nope. In fact I never mentioned your aversion to the terms white, Asians, or black. I used a quote from someone to illustrate what is meant by whites and not using all whites.

    4. Nope. I never said I did assume that. Again I used a quote from someone to illustrate a point.

    5. Actually I have proof that says as much. You made the clear comment “I came here and continued to read posts in the hopes I could see another perspective as well, not just leave mine. But it seems some are more interested in commiserating than narrowing the wide gap that you see between the races.” As i said I read the comments section too and there are tons of different perspectives. So in terms you were looking for one you agreed with or agreed with your idea. Not that there was no “different perspectives.”

    6. Nope and there goes that proof again. You lectured people on what you viewed as hate. I will quote “But it seems some are more interested in commiserating than narrowing the wide gap that you see between the races. Change sometimes takes a very long time but don’t you see the importance of reaching even one person at a time. You have the opportunity to do that here and I hope you have. But I worry after they’ve read the comments here, you’ll miss the opportunity that you may have had to make a positive change in that person.” Now there is nothing wrong with wishing well etc. But there is something wrong with it when it is based solely on an assumption and an unwillingness to ask the writer or others what they mean feel etc. If a person feels the need to lecture someone it usually if not always comes out of them feeling they are superior. IJS

    “I, too, have heard the saying “when you assume you make an ass out of U and me”. As you have made a plethora of assumptions, I would like to hand you a hankie so you can wipe off the ASSume which is dribbling down your chin at an alarming rate.”—Keep it because it is clear you just dived into the assumption that one would call mind reading. In fact I think you may be guilty of it in all 3 forms, but you won’t see it until you step back or get walked through.

    At any rate I look forward to you spinning this and I will respond to the remainder of your nonsense later.

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  298. continued

    “ So am I to understand if someone new comes to the thread they are supposed to know that it’s Sharina’s practice you “never mean ALL”.”—No, it is practice to ask and not lecture. There have been several white before you and those that wanted an open discussion asked.

    “And just so you’re clear on this, I do not object to the use of the words “whites”, “blacks” “asians” or even “Chihuahuas”. These are some of the examples to make it a bit clearer: “a few whites” or “quite a few blacks” or maybe even “one Chihuahua in heat and a great dane” would be helpful.”—Please quote where I said you did? I made it clear that I would use the words of another to illustrate a point. If a part of that quote did not apply to you then I am confused on what you are complaining and going on and on about. I clearly said “I will repeat what a person said on open thread that really is more detailed on addressing such matters.”

    “ try not to make assumptions, however, when you are in a dialogue and sharing thoughts, one analyzes what is said and makes a determination based on that exchange and comes to what they believe is a reasonable conclusion. If, however, one or both fails to provide all the necessary facts/information by intentional omission or by accident, that’s where problems arise.”—No, problems arise when individuals come in with preconceived ideas and get upset when people correct them. I corrected you on one thing and it was as if I spit in your face how you reacted.

    “There is one point where we do follow the same idea, oddly enough. I too agree that it appears you are not interested in any worthwhile dialogue. No I haven’t the desire nor the stomach to get the low down on your soiled underwear and the thought, quite frankly, is stomach churning. I had stated prior that I came here to get other’s perspective, as well as share my own. Did you breeze over that statement as well? Not surprising since it appears to be a habit you find difficult to break”—I am not interested in worthwhile assumptions. Which is actually what you are doing. Besides my dialogue seems to show more class than yours which tells me I would simply be wasting my knowledge with any real dialogue. For example I said what color underwear and here you are talking about soiled underwear. I read your take on other’s perspective and I agreed with you on much, but I see that comment as a front and the comments to follow a true show of what type of person you really are.

    “ I’ll be damned if I will apologize for something I haven’t done.”—- Then don’t as I am not sure who is asking you to apologize for anything. IJS

    “Just for educational purposes, your use of the word “” was incorrect. You confused the words “prospective” with “perspective”. The word prospective is used as follows: The white prospective juror was seated in the trial of a black man, as both attorneys were confident she would be fair and impartial……”—So I did. Though I have no issue admitting when I am wrong. Want a cookie or waffle for pointing it out? Or perhaps you want me to sue my spell check. *shrugs*Petty, but entirely amusing because it exposes much of your mindset. Hey there is this thing called a grammar troll (http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/18-types-of-internet-trolls) seems to define you perfectly.🙂

    In short I have learned a few things from your posts. You are either a liar or have short term memory. I found quite a few things you are claiming and evidence to contradict in your own posts. I think you are a closet racist. In fact in your attempt to correct me on the word prospective vs perspective you chose to use two example of the racial nature. Although I gather what you may have used it for it still says more about you, than me. Then again you have yet to ask me about me have you? You have an issue with comprehending written words and you do not have enough integrity to admit when you are wrong. Did I miss anything?

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  299. I have to be quite honest, I started to read your rambling, but I soon realized I didn’t want to inflict that much pain and suffering on myself. So I will walk away for now realizing that some people are so blinded by their own racism while accusing others of the same. Closing your minds to the truth and pulling the race card at every opportunity actually works against you. There are no black slaves today, there are no white only restaurants and you no longer have to move to the back of the bus, like the blacks did hundreds of years ago. So stop pretending to be the white man’s slave. You have the same opportunities as the next person and if you aren’t motivated to strive for excellence, don’t blame anyone else for the way your life turns out. And if for some reason you don’t get that job you really wanted to in the future, don’t cop out and justify it by saying they are racists. It just may be that you weren’t qualified. And if you get pulled over, don’t assume it’s because you’re black, maybe your tail light was out. And if someone doesn’t hold the door open for you at the restaurant, don’t automatically think it’s because of the color of your skin. Maybe, just maybe, they didn’t see you or maybe they just got some bad news and their mind was elsewhere. And if you think that person at your work that looks away when you walk by is a black hater, it just may be that it’s not your skin they don’t like, but the person under that skin. It’s time you free yourselves from the hatred, bitterness and contempt you feel for others. The only thing we owe you is the respect you show us.

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  300. @ northernlights24

    I suggest you actually read Sharina’s comment instead of continuing to assume what she or anyone else said or thinks. In fact, many of the things you assume others are thinking were never stated by anyone on this thread. Addressing some of your comments containing your assumptions here at nobody in particular reveals a certain set of assumptions you hold about blacks, which I frankly found condescendingly self-righteous. And I am not even black.

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  301. northernlights24

    You had no real reply because frankly you got caught being wrong. Your delusional at best because nothing you said applies to me. That is what makes this moment all too funny. You were assuming to the end. The sad part is you don’t even know if I am black or if I am female. If I am gay or straight. Like Kiwi pointed out, your comments display a level of assumptions you have for blacks.

    So in your empty words “It’s time you free yourselves from the hatred, bitterness and contempt you feel for “blacks”

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  302. I appreciate your suggestion, but I will decline. Considerable time has already been spent by all sides, making our opinions known and I don’t think reading the comment in it’s entirety and responding to that which I disagree would bring us any closer to understanding the other. We are worlds apart in our views and I don’t see us being able to bridge that gap. I believe one thing and you believe another. That is correct, some of what was said was not directed at any one person in particular, but was meant to be my collective assessment (opinion) of all the comments I’ve read whether the authors were black, white or purple.. I form my opinions (some call them assumptions) based on what people say in their comments, just as others form their opinion based on what I say in mine. I find it ironic though that some people have no difficulty making comments/assumptions about me and in the same breath chastise me for making assumptions/comments about them. I’m not sure what I said that you found condescending and self-righteous because I’ve never felt superior over someone, but I had to laugh when I read your comment “And I’m not even black”. (shakes my head). If you found what I said to be condescending or self-righteous what worldly difference would it make if you were black, white, pink or purple.

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  303. Sharina, No, the sad part is that you can’t even recognize if anything applies to you. You’d have to remove your blinders to see that. But you are correct about one thing, I don’t know your race or your gender, but more importantly I don’t care to know. My opinions are based strictly on what been said and nothing more. I have no interest past that point. While there may have been an occasion in your life when someone found you interesting enough to want to know more about you, but I assure you I do not have that desire. I have no hate or contempt in my heart for anyone, nor do I have reason to be bitter. If I dislike someone it’s not because of the color of their skin, it’s because of what’s beneath their skin. I had an opportunity to show these comments to my daughter’s long time boyfriend (who happens to be black) and the first words out of his mouth were, “You racist?” “You’re obviously talking to someone who doesn’t know you”.

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  304. @ northernlights24

    Before accusing someone of rambling, learn how to use paragraphs.

    See that on the right hand of your keyboard? It’s called the ‘enter’ key.

    Use it.

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  305. Racism within the white community is nothing more than self-preservation. They have to do something to survive on this planet when you are only 15% of the world’s population. The real history has shown that people of European decent have manipulated and stolen their way into prosperity on earth. This has taken many shapes and form, none more prevalent than the bible. They have used the bible as their justification to do what they have done and to act the way that they act. Showing their pictorial version of what Jesus looks like and scriptures making statements such as to obey them as they are Jesus and the use of slaves and how they are to be treated. This type of psychological input over thousands of years would give rise to the current mindset of people on both sides of this issue.

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  306. northernlights24

    “We are worlds apart in our views and I don’t see us being able to bridge that gap.”—-You don’t even know Kiwi’s views. So I hope he is getting a good laugh out of your assumptions.

    “No, the sad part is that you can’t even recognize if anything applies to you.”—Oh I recognize when things apply to me, but in this case it does not. If you don’t know my race or my gender then how can you say that I have a blame white people mentality? In fact I have not even given you an Idea of how I feel about whites, slavery, or anything on the matter yet you try so hard to make your assumptions stick to a person you have no clue about.

    “My opinions are based strictly on what been said and nothing more.”—Your opinions were based on what you assumed was black people. You can’t even own up to being wrong. You are still trying to push the color does not matter yet you completely contradict yourself in every comment thus far.

    “I have no interest past that point.”—You said that last comment, yet here you are.

    “While there may have been an occasion in your life when someone found you interesting enough to want to know more about you, but I assure you I do not have that desire”—And that is why you are making assumptions as if they are true.

    “I have no hate or contempt in my heart for anyone, nor do I have reason to be bitter. If I dislike someone it’s not because of the color of their skin, it’s because of what’s beneath their skin.”—Yet you can’t decide what is beneath a person based on assumptions, so this seems to be a false statement on your part to make yourself feel better. You feel too much of a need to remind us that skin color does not matter, but have you notice that you and only you have brought in skin color throughout this whole tango of words. Of course it is not do to skin color. It is do to ignorance and an unwillingness to change or acknowledge your ignorance. Just as you can say you are not bitter all day but your own words fail you again.

    “I had an opportunity to show these comments to my daughter’s long time boyfriend (who happens to be black) and the first words out of his mouth were, “You racist?” “You’re obviously talking to someone who doesn’t know you”.—Who cares. Notice once again how you are bringing in race? “Regardless of race” is what you are saying but using the black boyfriend to solidify that you are not racist. Yet at the same time using several example of the racial text and racial stereotypes to make a point. You are not the first racist to claim they are not racist yet make every other comment about race and what they assume is a stereotypical view of black people.

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  307. my collective assessment (opinion) of all the comments I’ve read whether the authors were black, white or purple..

    OMG, it’s been a while since commenters are responding to what purple people say.😛
    (https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/purple-people/)

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  308. @wordynerdygirl,

    Before accusing me of not knowing how to use paragraphs, learn the proper use of quotation marks. You used single quotation marks when you should have used double quotation marks.

    Additionally, I’d like to offer some suggestions regarding when to begin a new paragraph. A paragraph is a collection of related sentences dealing with a single topic. The basic rule of thumb with paragraphing is to keep one idea to a paragraph. You can have one idea and several pieces of supporting evidence. You can also have several points in a single paragraph, as long as they relate to the overall topic of the paragraph. Since all three of your sentences were closely related, one paragraph was all that was necessary.

    Following those simple guidelines should prevent you from repeating the same mistakes in the future.

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  309. northernlights24

    Before you seek to lecture anyone on anything take two notes.

    1. While that may be basic it also says as follows:
    “The Basic Rule: Keep one idea to one paragraph
    The basic rule of thumb with paragraphing is to keep one idea to one paragraph. If you begin to transition into a new idea, it belongs in a new paragraph. There are some simple ways to tell if you are on the same topic or a new one. You can have one idea and several bits of supporting evidence within a single paragraph. You can also have several points in a single paragraph as long as they relate to the overall topic of the paragraph. If the single points start to get long, then perhaps elaborating on each of them and placing them in their own paragraphs is the route to go.”

    Emphasis on the point getting too long and starting its own paragraphs.

    2. Research quotation marks and the use of singles:

    “In the United States, we use single quotation marks [ ‘ ’ ] to enclose quoted material (or the titles of poems, stories, articles) within other quoted material:
    • “‘Design’ is my favorite poem,” he said.
    • “Did she ask, ‘What’s going on?'”
    • Ralph Ellison recalls the Golden Age of Jazz this way: “It was itself a texture of fragments, repetitive, nervous, not fully formed; its melodic lines underground, secret and taunting; its riffs jeering—’Salt peanuts! Salt peanuts!'”

    British practice, again, is quite different. In fact, single-quote marks and double-quote marks are apt to be reversed in usage. Instructors in the U.S. should probably take this into account when reading papers submitted by students who have gone to school in other parts of the globe.”

    http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/quotation.htm

    I guess I forgot to mention not everyone in here is American.

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  310. jefe

    But the purple people are real. LOL

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  311. I’m afraid of purple people. They’re scary.😮

    And did he mention pink people too? OMG

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  312. It’s purple prose now

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  313. @ northernlights24

    was meant to be my collective assessment (opinion) of all the comments I’ve read whether the authors were black, white or purple..

    No, several of your comments were addressed at black people, and they revealed a set of assumptions you hold about blacks as a race. I found some of your views condescending even though I’m not black. I meant that some of your comments were addressed at groups, not individuals.

    We are worlds apart in our views and I don’t see us being able to bridge that gap. I believe one thing and you believe another.

    I have never discussed anything at length here with you, so please stop assuming what my views are or what I believe. Do not address me as if others’ views are mine. I can speak for myself. I believe you came here to have a discussion so I thought I would participate, but now it seems you don’t care for that since you seem to have already made up your mind about what I believe.

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  314. I don’t feel the need to insult people. It may be that I came close to the truth and it shatters how you view yourself. Perhaps you might benefit from developing a thicker skin or maybe even broadening those narrow views. Quite often those narrow minded individuals aren’t fully capable of recognizing their character flaws, even when pointed out to them.

    If they still choose not to make any changes in themselves, they will merely stagnate in their tainted and unrealistic view of themselves and they don’t deserve our sympathy. The recent request to “please stop…” reminded me of those school yard days when sobbing Susie would run to the teacher, snotty nose and all, whining “Billy pulled my hair and called me bad names. Make him stop”. If you seem to get offended easily and are continually telling others to stop making assumptions about you, take a good look at yourself and the things you say.

    If you want people to stop thinking negatively about you, stop supplying them with all the proof they need to draw that conclusion. It was never necessary for me to pick from a jar of assumptions.

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  315. @ northernlights24

    You know, I was going to respond to your first post, but after reading this:

    “So I will walk away for now realizing that some people are so blinded by their own racism while accusing others of the same. Closing your minds to the truth and pulling the race card at every opportunity actually works against you. There are no black slaves today, there are no white only restaurants and you no longer have to move to the back of the bus, like the blacks did hundreds of years ago. So stop pretending to be the white man’s slave. You have the same opportunities as the next person and if you aren’t motivated to strive for excellence, don’t blame anyone else for the way your life turns out. And if for some reason you don’t get that job you really wanted to in the future, don’t cop out and justify it by saying they are racists. It just may be that you weren’t qualified. And if you get pulled over, don’t assume it’s because you’re black, maybe your tail light was out. And if someone doesn’t hold the door open for you at the restaurant, don’t automatically think it’s because of the color of your skin. Maybe, just maybe, they didn’t see you or maybe they just got some bad news and their mind was elsewhere. And if you think that person at your work that looks away when you walk by is a black hater, it just may be that it’s not your skin they don’t like, but the person under that skin.”

    I realize that, you’re one CLUELESS white person, who from your post, seem to have fair grasp of the English language – the language used by most of the first European colonizers to North America approximately 400 hundred years ago. You WEREN’T there 400 years ago, so how is it today, you communicate in that language? There is a word for it, and, after it has been created, cannot be easily discarded on the trash heap of antiquity.

    As I’ve stated, I was going to respond to you but I’m glad I didn’t – As the proverb goes: why toss pearls to swine? (I do not consider you swine).

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  316. @ northernlights24

    I don’t feel the need to insult people.

    Please quote where I insulted you. Or did you skip past my comment and assume what I said again, like you did with Sharina’s comments? I read through your comments carefully and ask you to ever so kindly do the same for mine. I also have some questions for you, if you still care to have a discussion.

    pulling the race card at every opportunity

    What makes you think blacks are “pulling the race card at every opportunity”?

    So stop pretending to be the white man’s slave.

    Which blacks here are “pretending to be the white man’s slave”?

    don’t blame anyone else for the way your life turns out.

    Can you quote whoever is blaming others for their life situation?

    And if for some reason you don’t get that job you really wanted to in the future, don’t cop out and justify it by saying they are racists.

    Which blacks here are blaming others for not getting the job they want?

    And if you get pulled over, don’t assume it’s because you’re black, maybe your tail light was out.

    Which blacks here are assuming they got pulled over for being black and not their tail light?

    And if someone doesn’t hold the door open for you at the restaurant, don’t automatically think it’s because of the color of your skin.

    Who here said others don’t hold open doors for them because of skin color?

    It’s time you free yourselves from the hatred, bitterness and contempt you feel for others.

    Who has been hateful, bitter, or contemptful? Quote it, please.

    The only thing we owe you is the respect you show us.

    Who said you owe anybody?

    I eagerly await your reply, if you cared to read my comment.

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  317. @ Kiwi

    “I don’t feel the need to insult people. “—Isn’t it odd she says this and then goes on to insult everyone in the room, but even more funny is she tries to cover up her insults by saying “It may be that I came close to the truth and it shatters how you view yourself.”

    Sad part is she came no where near the truth about anyone yet and it seems she is doing nothing more than projecting her own insecurities on to the masses. Pitiful indeed.

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  318. wordynerdygirl

    Yes, it may indeed be assplund. Only he was delusional enough to start inventing things, lacked class, and seemed to project his issued on to others.

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  319. @ Sharina

    I’m almost 100% sure it is. What gave it away was the way ‘she’ immediately jumped on your comments.

    You’re one of the politest and most patient people on this blog. That’s why I was suspicious when northernlights started abusing you out of nowhere.

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  320. @ northernlights24 @ Wordy @ Sharina, etc

    I deleted some of your latest comments as being little more than insults slung back and forth.

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/comment-policy/

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  321. on Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 14:22:53 northernlights24

    Abagond

    I have to agree they were. I will try to avoid doing so in the future.

    Cin

    >

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  322. @Abagond

    Fine with that.

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  323. Whether you see this as an insult or not the individual did make this claim above: I don’t feel the need to insult people.

    Yet happily agrees that all comments deleted where here: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/01/02/why-do-whites-hate-demonize-fear-and-look-down-on-blacks/#comment-250177

    I feel asplund/northernlights24 fully got what he gave.

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  324. correction were*

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  325. Is Asplund back again? I am starting to see a pattern here, he always come to this thread post to spew his vomitus and then after so much spewing leaves for a couple of months and returns with a new user name. This is such a tired game. I wondered if this was him/her.

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  326. Mary

    It was. When wordy outed him/her a comment was made about the banning and how sureprised they were that she figured it out so quick. Of course that comment was deleted.

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  327. Surprised*

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  328. You think I’m someone from your past stalking you? Personally, I haven’t seen anything yet that would be worthwhile coming back to. You flatter yourselves too much. You sure don’t have an aptitude for detective work I’ll say that much. I have no idea who your asplund is but he sounds like someone who saw through all the transparencies as well. Besides, that’s not my MO. I’ve never found it necessary to sneak in under the radar. That’s too cowardly for my taste as I much prefer to have my presence known.

    “Toss pearls”? Oh please no. Save your pennies for that lavish vacation bbq’ing chicken at the local KOA. Don’t forget to take pictures, ya hear.

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  329. northernlights24
    “You think I’m someone from your past stalking you?”—Who said anything about a stalker?

    “Personally, I haven’t seen anything yet that would be worthwhile coming back to. “—Apparently everything is worth coming back to because you come back with a lame comments full of petty insults day in and day out.

    “You flatter yourselves too much.”—It is not flattery. More of a fact when you are still here after saying something contradictory.

    “I have no idea who your asplund is but he sounds like someone who saw through all the transparencies as well.”–Actually he was a self proclaimed troll, pretended to be better than what he was. Not that far from you at all. In fact almost identical to you.

    “I’ve never found it necessary to sneak in under the radar. That’s too cowardly for my taste as I much prefer to have my presence known.”—-Some how I doubt that as it seems the opposite of what you say is more true. Same as it was with him.

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  330. “I have to agree they were. I will try to avoid doing so in the future.”—I wonder if liars can help lying?

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  331. @ Sharina

    I doubt Northern is Asplund. He was more intellectual and academic seeming and lived in a different part of the country. I cannot, for example, imagine Northern talking about the Moors.

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  332. abagond

    That’s fair. Though that part about a ban being lifted in the comment (which I could have read wrong) really gave me the idea that that was who it was.

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  333. I suspect that Asplund will try pretending he is black or Asian or something not white to gain some credibility (it doesn’t work).

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  334. @ Jefe

    For me I believe asplund will take whatever route he/she needs. If we are use to one style he will find another. Then again he always loved to play either mixed or black.

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  335. @ northernlights24

    Just another question, because reading your comments has caught my interest: Why do you keep addressing the commenters as if they’re all one person? I’m curious as to why that is because I don’t usually see eye to eye with most other commenters here, not even the blog owner. Why do you see fit to address others as a collective, as if they have a hive mind? It’s somewhat troubling since several of your comments gave the impression that you assumed many, if not most here are black. Please clarify, if you don’t mind.

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  336. “[Y]ou no longer have to move to the back of the bus, like the blacks did hundreds of years ago.”

    – – –

    Yeah, that was some kind of stuff hundreds (or even thousands) of years ago, wasn’t it? And especially with seeing as how buses during those times were foot-powered by their passengers anyway….

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  337. ^ It’s based off a little known archeological find. True story!😛

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  338. @ Pay It Forward @ Legion

    HAhAhaHA! I gotta hand it to Asplund. As a history PhD, he was a lot smarter than that.

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  339. “buses during those times were foot powered by their passengers”? That must account for the white on the soles of their feet.

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  340. everything that was said in that post is true, but Gods word says◄ Romans 3:23 we have all fallen short of the glory of God, there is not one who is righteous, no not one.

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  342. Abagond, are you connected to the Illuminati?

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  343. Let me guess. you are non white.(Racist huh)

    Course you could be a uncle tom white guilt liberal who thinks they are special for being a sell out.

    Either way. your coment was extremely naive and biggoted and one would hope you learn your lesson of hypocrisy at some point.

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  344. Lol. Wow. I guess more whites are calling other whites sell puts and uncle toms.

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  345. Outs*

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  346. biggoted

    Sir, learn how to spell properly. It;s bigoted, not ‘biggoted’, got it?

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  347. Learn how to punctuate properly. This is not correct: It”s. This IS correct: It’s. One is a semi-colon (;). The other is an apostrophe (‘), got it?

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  348. @northernlights24

    Herneith specificly enjoys picking at and making fun of trolls. You responding with grammar corrections is doing nothing more than revealing how butt hurt you are. Trying to fix grammar will not redeem you from the embarrassment above.

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  349. Northernlights is a putz. Go troll somewhere else.

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  350. Learn how to punctuate properly. This is not correct: It”s. This IS correct: It’s. One is a semi-colon (;). The other is an apostrophe (‘), got it?

    Sir, my apologies, but that’s what happens when you are laughing whilst you type. The improper punctuation was not intentional as yours’ was!

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  351. Herneith, you’re amazing.

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  352. Abagond is right Northernlights is not Asplund as much as i hate admit it, Asplund was erudite not so much with this Northernlights character.

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  353. @A and Mary

    Fully Agreed!

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  354. You people are no better than the bully on the playground calling the other little kids names and your sticks and stones attempts don’t bother me in the least. Your opinions of me stay with you. You can’t honestly believe your words are so powerful that everyone is reduced to embarrassment at the mere reading of them. And the two comments made by Mary showed she had a serious case of butt hurt, since she felt more than one comment was necessary. But I soon realized the cause of Mary ell’s “butt hurt” and, as you can see, I removed the “Burr” in her saddle free of charge, although there could very well be some residual discomfort. Oh and btw, I don’t need your redemption. Save it for someone else that does.

    I think it’s safe to assume there’s nobody except for possibly a few people here that come close to admiring you as much as you admire yourself. (yes that was one statement which referred to multiple people). You can decide for yourselves if it applies to you or not.

    I can assure you I haven’t given this one second of my thoughts after I typed my first comment to Herneith, aside from the time it’s taken to write this, nor will I after I hit ‘send’, aside from the occasional lack of good judgment by coming here again to see what’s cookin. When I responded to Herneith I did so in kind to bring to his attention the fact he’d done the exact same thing he was accusing another of doing. Oh yeah and Herneith, you said to me “The improper punctuation was not intentional as yours’ was!” As mine was? If you were referring to the incorrect spelling of the word “bigoted”, I didn’t make that error, maddog did.

    I have seen many times by a few select individuals, the extreme “stroking” of egos, in an almost hero worship manner, akin to a “jerking off”, in an obvious, pathetic and desperate attempt to remain in good standing. I may very well have coined the newest phrase, the typographical masturbation. .

    Have a good day.

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  355. ^^^

    That’s gotta be one of the most butthurt comments I’ve read in a while.

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  356. For someone who does not care she sure did write a paragraph about it. LMAO

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  357. @Kiwi

    I think it is by far the most butt hurt I have ever glanced over.

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  358. She????? Fools. Lmao

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  359. @northernlights24

    I think you my dear are the fool, but I am glad your foolish behavior amuses you as much as it amuses us.

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  360. Have a good day.

    Okay dear.

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  361. I will bid you now a fond farewell, (okay that was a stretch, maybe just farewell) and leave you people to commiserate in your own cesspool of “poor me’s”. I’m sure you will continue believing all white folks are racist and blaming them for everything from your stubbed toe to the dirty look you “imagined”. I wouldn’t even be surprised if you blamed the little old white lady that you rear ended saying she slammed on her brakes when she realized you were black. Well you keep thinking that and racism will only get worse, not better. I really don’t think you want racism to end because you’d have to stop blaming whites for all your failures. Who would you have your finger pointed at then? Oh I have an idea, how bout yourselves.

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  362. @northernlights24

    Let you tell it you were to be gone weeks ago, so I will believe it when I see it.

    As to your all whites claim, you must have reading comprehension issues. No one said all whites not once, but then I woukd be a fool to expect better from you. Bye for now. 🙂

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  363. really don’t think you want racism to end because you’d have to stop blaming whites for all your failures.

    No dear, I do not want racism to end as it provides comical relief from buffoons such as yourself. Farewell!

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  364. The reason why White People Hate Black People so much is because Esau is jealous that Jacob (Israel) has his birth-right. White People can have all the money in the whole world and still hate BLACK PEOPLE because the only thing thats more powerful then having money is the Father’s LOVE. They dont hate the Jewish nation in Israel because they’re NOT the Real Jews so there’s NO threat (DEBT) their. That’s why the White People went through great lengths of destroying THE REAL JEWS background information in slavery. And thats why he’s the biggest Identity Theft person IN THE WORLD.The so called blacks that were brought on slave ships from africa was jews living in Africa and thats why the Africans pointed them out to the slave masters. NOBODY like JEWS and everybody wants their land since the beginning. THE BLACK PEOPLE,NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS AND LATINOS OF AND AROUND AMERICA ARE OF THE LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL. DONT TAKE MY WORD GET THESE BOOKS AND SEE FOR YOURSELF. “THE ICON” BOOK (FROM RUSSIA), ARTHUR KOESTLER “THE 13TH TRIBE” AND THEN READ YOUR OWN BIBLE (VERSION 1611, KING JAMES).

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  365. I just want to say I love this post and appreciate everyone’s comments even the ignorant ones because even those are admitting what Abagonds post is stating without necessarily coming right out and admitting it. It is interesting reading about the fear whites have for blacks. I feel so naive but I did not know that. I thought whites simply hated blacks just because. You all have educated me immensely. I think I like this person called Abagond.

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  366. This is a very interesting yet troubling topic. In my opinion there are several reasons why whites don’t like blacks. I recently just saw a show where they interviewed a man who purposely went out and killed 3 innocent blacks on the anniversary of his fathers death and the reasoning behind it was because his father was murdered by a black man. While I do understand his rage, I don’t think that was the right way to go about it and it showed quite a bit of incivility in himself. In this world there are tons of black people who are stereotypical and don’t apply themselves in the way that society would have them to, but there are also some who are good wholesome civilians, who are well educated, and are productive people in society. I think it is hard for people to see that blacks can be productive citizens because the wrong doings of other blacks over shows them. I just think it’s important that we don’t categorize all of one kind as horrible or uncivilized just because some of them make bad choices.

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  367. You know Kira, after READING what you wrote in your post I would probably be one of those,

    “stereotypical and don’t apply themselves in the way that society (WHITE PEOPLE) would have them to,”

    black people — if I saw that it was YOU who was laying in a gutter in need of just the littlest of help to live, to survive.

    Yes, I would leave your dumb, stupid, feeble, sick, RACIST mind to its own sickness as it rots in your “well educated,” and now failing once “productive” body.

    Of course you probably don’t see the slightest offense in your revealing post.
    Which makes it even more caustic and offensive!

    I just love – The White Gaze/Lens. {sarcasm}

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  368. Just Me, my intention was not to come off as racist because I am not. For that I apologize. I was just simply trying to say that not all black people are the same. There are some who want to be more that just a stereotype and prove that they can be just as good as anyone else, but there are some who don’t care and do whatever they want even if what they are doing may be branded as “bad choices”. The people who don’t care don’t realize there is kind of a stigma for ones who really to succeed because their bad choices end up overshadowing the hard work that they are doing. I think it’s important to know that every action we have has a reaction. No matter what end of the spectrum.

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  369. George

    Let just me and Kira handle their own situation and please do not attempt to speak for what may “anger” black people. Your interference only seeks to impose more misunderstanding because of your dislike of just me.

    Kira has explained and I am sure Just Me will listen and respond in kind. No need for the sour cheerleader to interfere.

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  370. Kira

    Not to interfere, but I would like to respond to something you said. Not one person on this earth is the same. That is a simple fact, so why must those of use in good standing be labeled a certain way because of those rotten apples? We should not. If a person acts dumb then that is on them. Not me because we share the same skin.

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  371. I don’t understand why I’m getting called racist for saying that not all black people are the same. I think it’s pretty crappy that on here everybody is too busy trying to shame one another rather than understanding or at least trying to understand.

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  372. Sharinilar, that’s what I was trying to get acrossed. But words on paper are sort of up for Interpretation and I guess the way it was perceived was not how I intended it.

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  373. @ Kira

    I think it is hard for people to see that blacks can be productive citizens because the wrong doings of other blacks over shows them.

    No, it is not hard to see blacks as productive because of some black people’s wrongdoings. It is hard to see blacks as productive because racist thinking views those wrongdoers as representative of blacks.

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  374. Kiwi, yes I completely understand.

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  375. @Kira

    my intention was not to come off as racist because I am not.

    But you came across as very racist (even though you insist that you are not). Do you have any inkling why?

    Should people hate, demonize, fear, look down on, or otherwise vilify all white people because of a few bad apples? Do all young white men look like mass murdering gunmen? (Actually, they do, but it doesn’t mean that we should think they are.) But because so many young white males look like psychotic mass murderers, does that rationalize why we all should be petrified of them? Vilify them?

    So the point is not that all white people are not the same (ie, NOT the analogue of your statement that all black people are different). Yet is it rational behavior
    (albeit wrong) for all white people to demonize blacks due to a few bad apples?

    The fact that you rationalize why there is a stigma reflects a very strong salient racist attitude.

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  376. If you completely understand Kiwi, then do you now know why your statements might strike people as quite racist?

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  377. Kira,
    I have to ask, HOW OLD ARE you?

    Why do I ask?
    Well… because most little humans, even as early as four years old pretty much ALREADY know that people are different…

    Okay, they know most People of Color ARE different! In all sorts of ways.
    But wait …. now that I’m thinking about it, these very young folks are probably aware that there ARE – also – LOTS of people LIKE YOU.

    Yup, people just like you!
    Lots of them.
    White.
    Paternal.
    Omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient with an overwhelming SAVIOR complex that comes down from on High to save (INFORM) the lowly Black people because if it weren’t for Kira (and the millions of other superior WHITES like her) we wouldn’t know a damn thing about anything, particularly our own selves and the “overly complicated world” in which we find ourselves in … with folks like you.

    Soooo, let me see if I can make this basic and clear for you. Unless you are three years old, you coming here to tell us that Black people aren’t all the same is on par with your cyber social skills being mentally retarded…. both of which even people that are born without eyesight could plainly see.
    No offense to retarded or blind people.

    @Sharina
    I think George R finally got one right.

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  378. To all who are addressing Kira:
    I think Kira is right about people on here not trying to understand one another and i don’t think she is racist. With that being said I think her approach on the topic was very poorly worded and did come off as a little demeaning . I want to understand where she is coming from. So is there any other way you would like to explain to help me because I am very interested in seeing your point of view.

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  379. The reason I meantion the sigma was because I have African American friends who feel that way. They explain to me how difficult it is to strive to be in a position of power or anything that puts them in a better place than whites because everyone expecting them to behave a certain way or others are looking at them as if they are inferior.

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  380. I’m saying black people who make bad choices effects them all because people start to form negative annotations about them. Just as with any other group. For example: white people who are racist (bad choice. See I’m showing everybody including white people make bad choices) make it hard for people like me, someone who is not racist but touches on the topic every now and then.

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  381. I mentioned earlier that a few of my friends (who are black) have told me that when they go places people expect them to act a certain way or speak a certain way. One of them told me that she went to a nice school where there were several different races and She encountered 2 people. one that was white and told her “you don’t act black” and another who was black and asked her “why she acted white.”

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  382. I never said it was the same. I showing you that we all are hit with different stigmas.

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  383. Yeah pretty much

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  384. I was speaking to white people about black people because some white people are assholes and don’t understand that.

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  385. @Kira

    No worries. It happens to us all including me.

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  386. George Ryder

    “I’m not all that bad”—Sad thing is you have no real idea what he was referring to you being right about. At any rate comment away, but doesn’t change the type of discord you look to sow.

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  387. Did any of you notice that Jessica is a sock puppet of Kira?

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  388. Kiwi

    Your not going to give her the smallest benefit of the doubt?🙂

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  389. @ Just Me

    “I think George R finally got one right.”—I guess I can give him that one.

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  390. @sharinalr thank you for at least trying to understand me.

    I honestly feel like feel like the way some whites are taught that black people are bad black people are taught that white people are the devil and will only see you as inferior. I am here arguing that both of these statements are false there is no one in this world that can hold another one below them. We are all equal in this world. So any African American on the page that feels oppressed step up and claim what it yours. Equality is amongs all of us so step up and claim it. Don’t allow racism or the negative comments to consume you. I think that of all of you understood the power is really in your hands this whole entire conversation would be invalid.

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  391. Kira

    “black people are taught that white people are the devil and will only see you as inferior.”—I disagree. As a black person I was taught many things, but never to hate or how a white person saw me. None of the black friends I have were taught this either. The only time I have ever heard of this is from white people. Mainly because they believe that because they were taught to have such feelings that blacks must also harbor such. That in itself is false.

    Whites do hinder blacks, but I agree that they do not fully hold them back because despite the hatred and racism towards black people we are still succeeding. The media loves to portray the worse of us, but there is a reason they do this. They do this so no one knows what black people truly do and can do. There are black genius kids, Black kids graduating college at ages as young as 12. There are blacks inventing products that most blacks will never know about and white people will try to take credit for. My list can go on, but I think my point is made.

    This does not mean that all of us are succeeding and the stereotypes are a lie because some are that way, but be sure that there are more of us that do not fit that stereotype than those of us that do.

    I invite you to learn and ask questions of things you do not understand as many in here will be happy to explain. If you choose not to do such then I still hold no ill will towards you, but wish you all the best.

    Remember knowledge is power and it is better to know than not to know.

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  392. George Ryder

    I know you want to seek approval from the people in here, but atleast try to do so by providing something of value rather than a display of desperateness.

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  393. @George Ryder

    I didn’t say you couldn’t say whatever you wanted to, but I did say it would be nice if you looked less pathetic seeking approval from individuals on this blog.

    As to stalking you, please. I am subscribed to this post and it shows up in my email. Not only that If you scroll up I have comments on here way before you even popped up. So you can keep dreaming but I am not into white boys. Call me when you reach man status and get a tan.

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  394. Jessica / Kira

    Is banned for using sock puppets.

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  395. @ George

    I deleted the comment in moderation.

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  396. By looking at the avatar.

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  397. I’m not all that bad

    Especially when you are sleeping!

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  398. “…There is absolutely nothing wrong with black people other than the bad patch of history they are going through, its side effects and the ordinary human failings. ..”

    I’m sorry that’s not 100% true. I’m black myself and I have traumatic memories of a child being teased and harassed because I acted “white” or an “oreo”. I was cursed at, called “fag” for no reason other than not hanging around other blacks. There’s a group think mentality in our community that exists but no one talks about. Also there’s gangs that hurt others for no reason you can’t put all of our failings on slavery and the residual effects of Jim Crow. Sorry.

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  399. Ra “Zenn Zenn” Wi

    Not sure what part is not 100% true. What you described is part of human failings.

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  400. @sharinalr

    yes I realized that too late after I already posted I made that post on emotion. All demographics have their strengths and weaknesses.

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  401. on Thu 18 Dec 2014 at 03:23:21 HappyCanadian

    I can’t speak for Americans, being a Canadian. Up here, most people don’t care about things like this since all those people that committed those crimes against humanity are dead.

    We put human rights into the constitution in 1982. Sure, there are some assholes from all ethnic backgrounds that try to ruin it, or guilt/shame people for being born a certain pigment.

    It’s kind of sad. It sucks the US is still this backwards. Good luck guys! I hope you can come together as a country and stop being bigots (those that are). It’s a skin color. It doesn’t represent your personality, abilities, or intelligence.

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  402. Happy Canadian you are a brain dead liberal jackals. Come and stay in one of any of America’s numerous black sh-t hole ghettos that they have created. Spend just one week and if you’re still alive I guarantee you will change your mind.I have to marvel at the ignorance of Blacks and the Latinos (aka Meztizos) the entire modern world was invented by Whites. Everything in it. Every convenience they have. Neither Blacks nor Latinos have ever made a single major contribution to any of it. Both of these races are users and takers and they have the nerve to complain. You call us sick and crazy? You groids are the only race still practising slavery you miserable pieces of sht you are for having the nerve to still bring up something that the White man ended 150 years ago. 600,000 White men gave theories you ungrateful scrum. Everything you Negroes touch turns to sht but to no end you blame us. You are the sick mentally ill and soon the long awaited race war will come and it’s over. Back to the bush you go. Wall to wall mud and all the files you can eat. No more Whitey to clothe you, feed you, house you or ever again have to look at your stinky assailed.

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  403. I allowed the above comment through moderation as an example of the hatred and demonization that the post talks about.

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  404. steel, take your haloperidoll please, shock treatment may help as well.
    HappyCanadian, it’s nice to be delusional. Perhaps you and steel should hook up!

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  405. ‘haloperidol’.

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  406. Well at least Happy can see just where that American racism comes from.

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  407. Don’t be fooled Sharina, these white Canadians are as racist as Americans but don’t have the gall to be as blatant(too polite unless they are loons). They prefer the more covert ways, the playing dumb meme. They look down on Americans as you can see, meanwhile they are two peas in a pod. The Americans are more bellicose whilst the Canadians are more subtle. Which would you prefer?

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  408. @Herneith

    I can’t argue that.

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  409. on Fri 19 Dec 2014 at 07:23:20 Dr. Jean Reno

    If your question is NOT rhetorical then I have to assume either you live on a planet somewhere with all democrats or else you are just dumb enough to ask a bone head question like this I imagine you are too stupid to understand the answer.
    But if you feel like hearing the truth here goes:

    1. Re whites hating [sic] blacks. Blacks need to understand that whites are not raised to like like they are so after 40 as a psychologist the usual pattern is to hate people who injure you–if a black man robs, pistol whips, rapes, etc., you you have no reason to love that person. The truth is that so many blacks lie steal and cheat (yes we know you play the “lets fuck why-t over” game from childhood–Barry obama is an excellent example–I’ve NEVER heard the man (assuming that is what he is) say one thing that isn’t a lie. He kills blacks and whites, “I’m pretty good at killing people” he says and is proud of it, not to mention the billions of bucks she’s stolen for himself since 2008.

    2. What you are doing is what Freud would call transference, i.e., YOU HATE whites so you ass/u/me whites hate you back. As I said it is the whites folks you victimize that hate you. Are you saying they should love being screwed over by black thugs, rapist, etc.?

    3. Whites as I’ve already said are not raised to hate and if a white person is saying something negative you can bet it is because they’ve been injured in some way by one or more often several blacks. Also since the average white has 15 + IQ points over the average black it may not dawn on you to ask the bad-white-person “what happened to them to cause such a problem as you describe. But I doubt it would occur to you.

    4. With the “fear” question you’ve hit the nail on the head–are white people suppose to just role over and let you break whatever law you want (the average crook commits over 300 crimes a year and over 80% of the criminals are black–sure you can claim we’re being racist in arresting only blacks, and of course you deny the fact that the average of burglers arrested is 14 and black, and of course you deny that the average person convicted of a crime has had a dozen arrests befor the courts get pissed enough to actually sentence them to hard time.

    So the fact is that there is way way too much violence in black communities (notice you don’t see white people riot at the drop of a hat do you)–you guys are raised to be violent whites are not–makes a wonderful hair and hound situation which is why the black on white violence is skyrocketing as you are aware (but, of course, will deny).
    The other side of that coin is that you’ve been told for over half century that you are always the victim, and I’m sure most of you believe it, so because you think you are always the victim and that ANYTHING you do to the victimizer, always a white person, is justified.

    So the bad news is that:

    A. Blacks are committing so many crimes that law enforcement (as you are aware) can’t handle it and the response is that ordinary people are starting to fight back.

    B, Contrary to what you’ve been taught white folks are NOT jumping into pickup and hunting blacks like animals–however, I can promise that white folks are coming to their senses and are no longer willing to accept the “it’s the whites fault” BS always spouted.

    Bottom line, you can call this racist or bigoted or whatever else you want to invent to feel justified in acting violent, but what people are discovering that white people too have a Right to live without fear, their families have the Right to be protected and their communities have a Right to survive and Americans are no longer will to accept being victimized just because you say it’s what we deserve.

    NB
    If you REALLY want to get even for the fact that someone sometime in your past may have been a slave then I suggest you go find your fellow africans and take out whatever hate you feel they deserve.

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  410. @Jean Reno,

    It is interesting that someone who claims to be a psychologist would have read all the things into the post that were not there, unless you were wearing a very thick lens that reinterprets everything to fit your pre-conceived notions.

    For example,

    after 40 as a psychologist the usual pattern is to hate people who injure you–if a black man robs, pistol whips, rapes, etc., you you have no reason to love that person.

    Yes, OK. Now how does that extend to hating black people in general? I have been beat up and robbed by black people on several occasions. I have been beat up, robbed and sent to the hospital emergency room by whites also. I do not feel a great deal of love for people who did that to me (although, technically, so my parents also beat /injured me and sent me to the hospital). Are you suggesting that I should hate all blacks and all whites for what a few did to me? Maybe hate all Americans?

    The truth is that so many blacks lie steal and cheat

    Some do, yes. So do many whites. So do many Asians. The truth is that while quite a few blacks lie, steal and cheat, even more white people do. The largest theft of property and money in the USA has been by whites.

    What you are doing is what Freud would call transference, i.e., YOU HATE whites so you ass/u/me whites hate you back.

    What you are doing is making something out of this air. Abagond has NEVER stated that he hates whites. And none of the statements made in this posts refer to “ALL” whites. Maybe you are doing this “TRANSFERENCE” thing. Do you hate people like that, so you are assuming that others hate in the same way that you do?

    Whites as I’ve already said are not raised to hate and if a white person is saying something negative you can bet it is because they’ve been injured in some way by one or more often several blacks.

    And where does that imply that one should hate and demonize all blacks because of what a few did. As I said, I have been injured in some way by one or more often several blacks. I have also been injured in some way by one or more often several whites. According to your psychological theory, how should I react to that?

    Also since the average white has 15 + IQ points over the average black it may not dawn on you to ask the bad-white-person “what happened to them to cause such a problem as you describe. But I doubt it would occur to you.

    In elementary school, High School, and again post university, I was measured to have an IQ of 175-180 – top 1%. But would it occur to you to ask the “bad” black person “what happened to them to cause such a problem as you describe?” Given the thick lens you are wearing, one would imagine that few things occur to you.

    you guys are raised to be violent whites are not

    OMG,😮😮😮
    OK, the gun toting, war mongering folks are which segment of the demographic? And which demographic is allowed to kill whom in the name of “self-defense”?

    white people too have a Right to live without fear

    So do Blacks and Asians and children and gays and old people. Everyone should have that right. It is not the sole right of any demographic.

    their families have the Right to be protected and their communities have a Right to survive and Americans are no longer will to accept being victimized just because you say it’s what we deserve.

    If you really understand what you wrote, then you should understand how police brutality and the justice system is ravaging black communities and the USA as a whole. It has also ruined any moral authority that the USA tries to claim in the international sphere.

    That thick lens you are wearing is distorting your interpretation of the reality in the USA and even causes you to have reading comprehension skills. It happens to a lot of people in the USA, even to blacks. But the first step is to recognize this and then strive to learn the truth. But for someone who claims to be a psychologist, you have not even tried to skim the surface of what constitutes the psychology in America.

    Would you consider relocating to a white reservation in Montana just to get away from this “violence”?

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  411. @Jefe

    You beat me to it.

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  412. @ Dr. Jean Reno
    It is quite amusing the way you write about being a pyschologist. You seriously seem to think that this makes up for the deficiencies in your logic. If you are going to respond with such pretentious rhetorical nonsense, do yourself a favour and the entry that you are commenting on.

    Your response to me is convoluted and reactionary. Such sophomoric and knee jerk comments undermine intelligent discourse and indicate a lack of insight on your part. Your interpersonal skills are woefully lacking and debar mature, intelligent discourse.

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  413. Haha! Nicely done, Jefe!

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  414. Sorry
    “and even causes you to have reading comprehension skills. ”
    –>
    “and even causes you to lack reading comprehension skills. “

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  415. All this psycho-babble makes wonder if Jean Reno is actually reacting to certain unrelated seminal events of a ‘traumatic childhood.’ Projection can be tricky!!

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  416. I realy want to date a white guy but it seems like all of them they dont like blacks coz i have meet a white from 2go afrikaans room and he said to me am using Greeneyes as my nick name because i want to attract white guys to add me so i beggen to hate white people in that manner maybe our colour black is a curs but still i want to be with a white guy altho am a black lady

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  417. @ Boris Sorkin, please list any successful white countries? We r all waiting with bated breath..lol.

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  418. @Thoko Zile Xaba
    You know how many different kinds of afro-people there are in this planet? You think all the “white people” are all the same? Thank “god” I live in Europe where we don’t have that kind of multiethnic societies, yet. I couldn’t put up with all this bullshit. I guess races really aren’t suppose to mix more than baby here and there.
    Check out just for fun, OECD countries to see what are successful white countries, of course not all of them are, but just about 94%. Or check out the Nordic countries, that’s where from all white people originate from. They are the most succesfull and happiest countriest in the world.

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  419. on Sun 4 Jan 2015 at 01:56:17 Harold Sampson

    Maybe you should ask a white person why they hate blacks. I’ll give some examples:
    1. Blacks are louder and more obnoxious than all other races. Not all blacks, but it’s noticeable to every other race.
    2. When blacks move to nicer neighborhoods, they still commit more crimes or always seem to start corny suburban gangs. They’re not dangerous, but it’s unncessary in suburban neighborhoods.
    3. Black women always give shitty attitudes about everything. Black men don’t even like to deal with them, and you can’t hire them to do anything because they’re such shitty workers.
    4. They think their culture is more important than any other race. This isn’t necessarily black peoples fault as dumb white kids try to mimic them.
    That’s all I got for now but I’m sure you can find more.

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  420. Harold Sampson

    And what percentage of blacks do you think fit into your little categories?

    As you claim not all, but then explain why whites would hate blacks if not all do this?

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  421. @ Sharina

    I thought Harold Sampson was joking but when I realized he wasn’t, I laughed even harder.

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  422. @Kiwi

    I guess laughing is the best response when you read something like that.

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  423. on Tue 10 Feb 2015 at 09:21:39 HateMOSTwhitemen

    TO HELL WITH YOU DUMB A SS demonic white male CREATURES! This world would be A LOT BETTER without you evil sh!t for brains being around! You sick fvcks are some of the most vile, disgusting, hateful creatures on this planet! Truly, spawns of satan. There is no other way to explain you evil hell bound worthless pieces of sh!ts! I just CANNOT WAIT until you demonic b@stards are finally back into the fiery pits of hell, WHERE YOU FOREVER BELONG! Just DIE already, so this world can finally begin to heal! Who would of guess that when an evil devil dragon takes a sh!t, another evil white male creature is born? And this is not to all white “men”, but the vast MAJORITY of them. D@mn near ALL of them around this fallen world! Their evil female counterparts too, to all of those this also applies to!

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  424. To answer the queston…..because negroes are savage animals. Just look at the savage animals burning and looting in Ferguson and still acting like the non humans they are!

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  425. HateMOSTwhiteman….shut you worthless black bastard. When are you groids going to evolve into humans? How long does it take?

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  426. @Eric

    When you make it to human status you can let me know.

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  427. @ Harold Simpson

    And can whites function without fxcking their own kids just to get
    a nut? Don’t forget necrophilia. Lol. But that’s the thing, we’re not ALL human beings. And this is the very reason for your white behaviors. You N@anderthal mfs still got the caveman gene in you. Lmao!!! White behaviors include: TROLLING and HARASSING black people who are clearly repulsed by you and don’t want to interact with you online just so you can try to find ways to prop up your false, flimsy, and fragile white superiority complex.

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  428. To answer the queston…..because negroes are savage animals. Just look at the savage animals burning and looting in Ferguson and still acting like the non humans they are!

    Tin hat alert!!!!

    HateMOSTwhiteman….shut you worthless black bastard. When are you groids going to evolve into humans? How long does it take?

    The same time it took for your mother to pump her brother and give birth to you……a couple of seconds!

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  429. @Herneith

    “Tin hat alert!!!!”—He has the whole suit.

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  430. @ Veronica

    MANY comments deleted for moderated language and for addressing commenters in a dehumanizing fashion.

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  431. @Abagond

    But Eric calling black people savage animals ISN’T dehumanizing? Huh. Interesting.

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  432. @ Veronica / V

    You are BANNED for using a sock puppet. And for trying to get around moderation.

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  433. Eric’s comments violated the comment policy, but given the subject of this post I let them stand.

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  434. Abagond, it’s your blog

    but is banning Veronica the right thing to do.

    Other people have done worse and have gotten warnings

    and even if right now she is being confrontational, she brings a new and fresh voice to the subjects at hand

    I hate to see new commenters get banned when long time trolls, resident race realist get to stay and disrupt to their hearts content

    just my 2 cents

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  435. ^^^EVen though I have my issues with her I agree. A warning would have been enough for now. She maybe so new she did not even read the comment policy.

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  436. Abagond. The ladies are correct. Veronica deserved at least a warning.

    George Ryder was a regular disruptive pain and lasted way longer than he should have. Even he got multiple warnings.

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  437. @ Just Me @ Sharina

    I did give her a warning and put her under moderation:

    “@ Veronica

    You REALLY need to take it down a few notches.

    Please read the comment policy.

    Your comments are moderated till further notice.”

    Source:
    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2015/03/06/blackoutday/#comment-279075

    It was only when she purposely went around my moderation that I banned her.

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  438. oooh … purgatory! that’s rough, and … noone knows you’re posting except abagond!

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  439. It’s your blog, Abagond. If it were mine, Eric would be the one gone instead of Veronica/V.

    Although I think I understand why you would leave Eric’s comments intact (to put the depths of WHITE racial hatred on exhibit ..?) I am nonetheless disappointed in your methodology of gauging and giving certain posters more (or less) chances than others.

    Veronica may have – in time – adjusted her pugnacious style in accordance with comment policies.

    Eric, and those like him?
    Doubtful.

    Sometimes it seems like you cut others more slack than you give us.

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  440. Oh come on!

    I know of no one whom Abagond has given a warning, has been placed on temporary modification, and then decided to create a sock puppet to get around that moderation who has ever survived the ban hammer?

    If so then please name them?
    Who was it?

    I’ll wait…

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  441. Why am I not surprised that …. ?

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  442. Any criticism of Abagond’s comment policy should be tempered by the reality that anytime you get a bunch of non-white people together without a clearly stated and agreed upon AGENDA, it tend to degenerate into fighting and squabbling.

    As a black person attempting to engage in constructive activity, you know Abagond is definitely under attack from the racists.

    Dealing with the egos and insecurities of black people is an entire 2nd job.

    As a former moderator myself, we once had to institute the following policy for our a counter racism discussion board:

    1. No criticism of a previous comment or person.

    2. State a problem. Suggest a solution to the problem.

    Guess what?

    Traffic immediately dropped 90%

    Myself and the other moderators were left looking down at the ground when we realized if nonwhite people can’t attack each other, they often have nothing to say.

    (((shakin my head)))

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  443. “Myself and the other moderators were left looking down at the ground when we realized if nonwhite people can’t attack each other, they often have nothing to say.”

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    This is rather odd and hypocritical of you Thwack considering all the lowly attacks you’ve made on a particular Black female commenter here, Black women at large and Black people in general.

    Not to mention your waxing on and on about your attraction to **Becky** secured in ropes, your penchant for Halloween sex dressed as a pirate and how big you think your penis is. Real role model material you are! Do you do stand-up comedy much? {{rolls eyes}}

    I still think you’re an imposter pretending to be Black.
    Did you not say on another thread something about how you stopped being a white person around the age of twelve?

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  444. See what I mean?

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  445. Take a look at Baltimore and dare ask me the question again about why blacks are so hated! Destructive, ignorant, violent, disgusting filth destroying this country and you ask why?

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  446. @RavenBeauty,

    Why are you so quick to demonize the several hundred violent rioters, yet ignore

    – the 10,000+ people who protested peacefully?
    – the deadly violence perpetrated by the police in the first place?

    Who killed who here?

    (https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/the-police/)

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  447. @Jefe

    I just wrote her comment off as her talking about the cops. I mean were they not the “Destructive, ignorant, violent, disgusting filth destroying this country” she was actually referring too?

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  448. @ Ravensbeauty, meanwhile white people will destroy and burn municipalities cause their team lost. Please stop.

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  449. @Ravenbeauty, whites tear up their municipalities when they lose a game, please stop.

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  450. I truly believe in my heart that the only reason why the white race fear & hate my black beautiful people so much & it will never change from the beginning is because of our true existence in the world today. We are the most exotic & sexual sexiest race of the universe . No one got what we have. Our true exotic appearance. We truly own the word exotic. Yes, we also own style fabulous & attitude.Yes that’s who we are. We are the true children’s of God. The way we are explains so much why this existence between black & white is so powerful in the world today. It explains so much why this white race & the rest of the world has so much powerful over my people. They brainwash my people to believe that dark is disgusting & white is pure knowing that whites are the ones who is suffering from their own skin disease. Like sun skin cancer. They don’t age very well. They truly believe in botox = toxins. I’m just calling it like I see it & read it. They believe in silicone & all kinds of shit. This is their true nature. They have no good & true history. Their history is evil. They claim that this american is their true God given right. So because of their wickedness this would explain why this land is going under. PS. I’m just calling it like I see it & read it.

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  451. My experience is that whites dislike blacks based on being treated poorly by SOME blacks, just as blacks disliking whites for the same reason. We may think we dislike a group based on stereotypes, but truly like individuals of that particular race. It’s like anything else.

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  452. Be kind to all people, and see the difference it makes, no matter what race, religion, class, ethnicity. Be the positive force of change. One good deed begets another. If each person saw the good in another, not prejudging, the world would slowly change for the better. We are all hard headed and prejudiced in our own ways. Not just white, not just black. Look at each person as an individual.

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  453. Well said white people are full of envy and jealousy towards the black people. Racism is really envy and jealousy. Black people are true race which every race mutated from just consider the sun which burn whites but blacks can live in the sun and never burn. That’s why whites could’nt pick cotton they would of been sizzling like bacon picking cotton. White people’s brains are less fuller than blacks brains. White people break their necks trying to keep black peoples development arrested. But how can you think clearly when your brain lacks the ability to to live a truthful life. In my opinion white people are viscous haters of the truth and went to Africa and stole the keys to how to run a nation and revised it and corrupted it.Black people have already done what white think they invented they teach their history which is a sack of lies. Whites think they fooling blacks, they only fooling themselves.Peace and love to those who love God and truth. It’s whites that know the truth also.

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  454. I do not believe this is at all true..you cannot generalize all whites..Why do white people demonize or fear blacks? Let us start with the liberal media. You can blame them. Every report they make is on the black man committing a crime…and today…you see black people taking videos with their cameras of others beating on whites…mothers with children…etc…of course all people are going to fear what is possible. I know many people, all races, and I do not associate myself with any who are criminals, thugs, pieces of shit, white trash, crap, druggies, assholes…no matter their color..I associate with people who care about me, and allow me to do the same with them..who lift me up and allow me to lift them..positive associations. I do not use the N word, I do however call all people who are scum and trash, scum and trash….I do know that black people can walk through a white neighborhood, but white people cannot walk through black neighborhoods…your article is biased and if you were a scholar you would know not to write such biased works…works that only show one side. Good works take one perspective and study and research to open up the other side as well….the devil’s advocate, if you will. I can tell you, as a white woman, there is NO WAY IN HELL..I would walk through a populated black neighborhood..why?? Because of how the media portrays blacks…blame them….stop supporting the means that causes the world views of blacks as it is today….start acting like productive citizens and not looting and stealing…Oh wait…you do not do that….you are against that….so NOT generalizing about a whole group is probably best. The media tells your story….if you want better stories…tell people to start creating them. God Bless. And I hope you take a look at the other side through journal articles.

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  455. @ Rebecca

    What you wrote was a polite letter of ignorance. For starters the post did not say all whites, but if the shoe fits I suppose one would jump the gun.

    “Let us start with the liberal media. You can blame them. “—Why should the media be to blame for people making the choice to be lazy and not fact check?

    ” Every report they make is on the black man committing a crime…and today…you see black people taking videos with their cameras of others beating on whites…mothers with children…etc…of course all people are going to fear what is possible.”—Last I checked this is a trait of conservative media not so much liberal media. They pretty much salivate at confirmation bias. As to the video, I would guess you are hinting at youtube. In that case you would have to actually search specifically for those type videos. Engaging in confirmation bias.

    “.I do know that black people can walk through a white neighborhood, but white people cannot walk through black neighborhoods…your article is biased and if you were a scholar you would know not to write such biased works…works that only show one side.”—So because you know it that means it does not happen in the opposite in the rest of the world? Black people get cops called on them for walking in white neighborhoods. Some even get harassed and there have been reports in media of this behavior. Where I live whites regularly go to the hood for food and to do business. You do realize your comment is also biased and naive. Not to mention you display some of what he speaks of without even realizing it.

    “I can tell you, as a white woman, there is NO WAY IN HELL..I would walk through a populated black neighborhood..why?? Because of how the media portrays blacks…blame them….stop supporting the means that causes the world views of blacks as it is today….start acting like productive citizens and not looting and stealing…Oh wait…you do not do that….you are against that….so NOT generalizing about a whole group is probably best. The media tells your story….if you want better stories…tell people to start creating them. God Bless. And I hope you take a look at the other side through journal articles.”—So on one end you advocate blaming the media, yet on the other the media is the truth? You don’t see very bright. Most blacks are productive. Most blacks are actually middle class and poor working class actually…..OMG work. No one regularly loots or steals and the amazing this is even in those riots the majority are not looting or stealing. As to creating better stories, I can think of several better stories that portray blacks as good citizens etc. But people like you would rather hear the bad. It makes you feel better about yourself because that is how narcissistic people are. See how you chastise for generalizing a whole group, yet were quick to do it yourself. All the while being exactly what abagond was talking about. Amazing how that works.

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  456. @ Rebecca Foster

    as a white woman, there is NO WAY IN HELL..I would walk through a populated black neighborhood..why?? Because of how the media portrays blacks

    So because the media portrays women as lesser than men and as being worthless unless they have big boobs, I have the right to call you a ” b!tch”. Great analysis.

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  457. @Kiwi

    ROFL!!

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  458. I’m actually starting to think that these white racists are actually ‘turned on’ by these stereotypes.

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  459. They describe them in such sexualized detail.

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  460. Hahaha! I’ve come across this so many times it has become hilarious.

    “I do know that black people can walk through a white neighborhood, but white people cannot walk through black neighborhoods…”

    I always ask the person, When were you beat up walking through a “Black neighborhood?” Then they start talking about news reports. I say, when were YOU beat up??? Well, of course I haven’t been beat up because I avoid walking through Black neighborhoods!

    Not to even mention the many good, middle-class or affluent Black neighborhoods, but even in the ghetto, this is not much of a problem. White people have this ridiculous notion that any White person who walks through the ghetto is immediately stopped, mugged, or raped in some dark alley. In reality, most White people in the ghetto are seen as unknown quantities. They are met with more distrust and nervousness than with instant victimization. Almost 90% of Black crime is committed against other Back people.

    The other side of the argument is equally hilarious: “black people can walk through a white neighborhood…” How many times have cops been called, followed by harassment, and illegal orders to “keep moving” towards Black people? Try getting a Black guy to walk through an affluent White neighborhood and see how far he gets before he’s in the back of a squad car, getting a ride to the borders of the community.

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  461. I do know that black people can walk through a white neighborhood, but white people cannot walk through black neighborhoods…

    Really? You think Black people don’t catch sh!t for being in places “we’re not supposed to be”? Like walking down a street or sitting on a bench or a kid getting shot by a coward with a badge because he was playing with a toy gun or a father who is callously pumped full of real bullets by police because he had a toy gun that wasn’t being pointed at anyone in a store with shelves of toy guns in a state that has an open carry policy? You mean like that? Your level of clueless is just effing cancerous to any society that isn’t trying to be a steaming pile.

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  462. Trayvon Martin’s dad lived in a majority white neighborhood, right?

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  463. on Sat 30 May 2015 at 20:01:52 Death the Kid

    @Rebecca

    Just like you all get off on quoting black on black crime stats, white one white is basically the same situation, even when accounting for strangers murdering strangers.

    If you were actually worried about your safety and not just a pathetic bigot, you wouldn’t be caught dead in a white neighborhood.

    You people have been saying the same BS since slavery. Get some new material.

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  464. @ Jefe

    The neighborhood is said to be racially mixed. Which makes that case even sadder as you still can’t get away from America’s dangerous anti-Black BS even in a space like that. Which is why I resent the whole “Black people are out to get ya!” nonsense that’s peppered throughout Rebecca Foster’s post.

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  465. @ Rebecca

    “I do not believe this is at all true..you cannot generalize all whites..”

    Yet I said, point-blank:

    “Why do many White Americans hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks? “

    I even put “many” in italics.

    And that was overkill. After all, if I had written a post on “Why are women beautiful?” it would hardly mean that I think there are no ugly women.

    You said:

    “your article is biased and if you were a scholar you would know not to write such biased works…works that only show one side.”

    Yet I said, point-blank:

    “I am no scientist or scholar, but here is I how I currently think about it. “

    Nowhere in the post do I claim to talk objectively about ALL White people. All the post claims to be is my current understanding of “Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?”

    I doubt the liberal media is at the root of it: the stereotype about Black men as dangerous goes back to the 1870s.

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  466. @ Rebecca

    “I do know that black people can walk through a white neighborhood, but white people cannot walk through black neighborhoods…”

    Tell that to Renisha McBride, Jonathan Ferrell or John Crawford. Oh wait, you can’t, because they’re dead:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/11/07/renisha-mcbride/
    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/jonathan-ferrell/
    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/09/29/john-crawford/

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  467. @ Rebecca

    “I can tell you, as a white woman, there is NO WAY IN HELL..I would walk through a populated black neighborhood..why??”

    You do know, right, that as a White woman you are way more likely to be raped or killed by a White man than by a Black man?

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  468. @.Abagond thanks for responding to Rebecca she is truly ignorant a black person who ends up in a white neighborhood needing help because they are in distress end up losing their lives.

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  469. I never ceases to amaze the the ignorant racist who come to this blog site to “ish” post and have nothing substantive to discuss except spew their ignorance racist diatribe. It’s people like them that make the world a messed up place to live in. I don’t think there is any hope for the people of the world like the poster Rebecca and those of her ilk they can’t be changed they will die ignorant and fearful of what they don’t understand because of their dark hearts.

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  470. ^
    Ignorant

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  471. I like this quote by Hari Kondabolu, “Saying that i’m obsessed with race and racism in America is like saying that i’m obsessed with swimming while i’m drowning.

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  472. Excellent quote Mary.

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  473. @sharinalr: It’s perfect for those clueless people who think that there is no racism in America and that black people are just race obsessed.

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  474. I love this Maya Angelou quote “Hate it has caused a lot of problems in this world, but it has not solved one yet.”

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  475. Doesn’t anyone see that this is racist? Reverse racism is a lie, racism is racism. I am white, grew up poor, and ended up joining the military. I served with many people from all walks of life, and cultures. I’ve never had a racist bone in my body. Evil is prevalent in every culture. Call it the fall of man, or human nature, whatever you call it, it is evil. I am very successful now, and it has nothing to do with “white privalage” it has to do with me coming from an unbroken family, having my father teach me that hard work, and honesty is the best way. For you race baiters, please note that white males are the only unprotected class in America.

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  476. or you race baiters, please note that white males are the only unprotected class in America.

    And the biggest murderers.

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  477. “Unprotected class”

    LOL! Yeah the group of people who’ve painstakingly effed over everybody they’ve come in contact with to control pretty much everything and have their narrative broadcasted worldwide. It’s almost like you have no goddamned sense.

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  478. I was watch a video with Marc Lamont Hill and Tim Wise and Professor Michael Eric Dyson and race realist Jared Taylor who is a proverbial “POS” and i listened to them talk about white privilege and Taylor said there was no such thing as white privilege and that blacks were the privileged ones because the white man was being denied his place in American society because of people of color. That the white man was far more intelligent and superior to black people. But Dyson and Tim Wise shut this s**t stain down and let him know that racism and white privilege were a real thing. Racist beast/demons are not some southern tobacco chewing, gimme hat wearing Bubba from the South. They were nice button down oxford shirts and nice pressed cotton dockers and penny loafers and speak standardized english.

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  479. I think they are feeling threatened about losing their place in the social hierarchy. Being the minority instead of the dominant majority.

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  480. @Mary

    That is exactly what it is. They fear losing their control.

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  481. For you race baiters, please note that white males are the only unprotected class in America.

    Put it to music and play it on the violin! what a joke, folks, you can’t create characters such as this.

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  482. Reblogged this on Catskill bob's Blogosphere and commented:
    older post on wordpress, but very timely…..

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  483. on Wed 29 Jul 2015 at 23:15:01 Aubrey Gaither

    DAMN, IF THAT AINT THE TRUTH!!! no one should comment on this post, just let it soak in and burn, whether your white or black.

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  484. The better question to ask is, “Why wouldn’t we?” You simple creatures literally beg for it by every single action you take.

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  485. Previous poster mentioned Whites becoming the minority instead of he dominant majority….
    I hate to break it to you, but if Whites ever do become the minority, we will still be the dominant minority…. Our dominance and power never came from raw population numbers, but our sheer mental superiority over such simplistic creatures. One White Man is the moral and militarial equivalent of a thousand blacks, easily.
    Don’t believe me, despite the overwhwhelming evidence? Don’t say I didn’t warn you….

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  486. @Truth

    What overwhelming evidence? You mean the ones that show how whites have stolen and taken credit for things that are not theirs? Or shall we say the need to disenfranchise people to get ahead. Okay. ROFL

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  487. Fact of the matter is it is not the fault of White people that blacks never had the chance to become fully evolved, fully functioning human beings.
    Take it up with God or Mother Nature, whatever helps justify your subhuman nature.
    It’s not our fault that you have been surpassed in every facet of life by every other race.

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  488. on Thu 27 Aug 2015 at 19:11:46 bygodsloveandgrace

    @Truth

    Can you at least try to be creative and stop lifting from the standard Stormfront playbook?

    The skewed and often incorrect “talking points” are tiring. If you want to have a real discussion about the topic, at least make it factual and informed.

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  489. @ Truth

    Is it painful to be that ignorant? Just curious.

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  490. @Truth

    “It’s not our fault that you have been surpassed in every facet of life by every other race.”—But isn’t it?

    White’s didn’t surpass. They just made sure no one else could make it to surpass them. Stealing from others is not an act of surpassing, but more of taking.

    For example if a white man and a black man enter a race and the white man sabotages the black mans car. The white man wins. He did not win or surpass him because he is white or because he is great, but because he had to cheat.

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  491. Yeah, tell me all about it. Blacks learned to harness electricity, invent the computer, the automobile, basically any technological advancement since the dawn of mankind…. And Whites just stole it all.
    Let’s get one thing perfectly clear: on their own, blacks never even learned to harness the wheel or fire, nor did they even have any written language to speak of before human interaction.
    You are truly delusional if you think for one single second that Whites stole anything at all from blacks except for free manual labor.
    We technically didn’t even “steal” that, as they were bought and paid for from their own ancestors.

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  492. The Truth is your already dead. A thousand years from now the white race won’t exist because, like the Romans, they will be absorbed by the people they conquered. Your nothing more then a foot note in history.

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  493. @Truth

    I didn’t say they stole it all, but a great deal of what you lay claim to was stolen from non-whites. I can give you a list of things that would blow your mind…or rather what is left of it.

    Actually that has been proven to be false. New information is out. Information that shows blacks have been using fire and other tools prior to engaging whites. Not to mention the discover of their written language thought to have not existed. I like to view that as more they could not hide it anymore.

    No sir it appears you are delusional. It was proven a long time among that even in slavery times the slave master would lay claim to black inventions under the idea that because the slave was their property so such was what the slave produced. Again I can direct you to a link that shows several others things stolen or hidden.

    Not all slaves were brought. Some were actually stolen and sold into slavery. Whites did this when they no longer had access or the ability to purchase them from tribe leaders. It is called a raid.😉

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  494. blacks never even learned to harness the wheel or fire, nor did they even have any written language to speak of before human interaction.

    Did I just read something that indirectly said that blacks were not human, ie. interaction among themselves was not human interaction?

    Are all humans not originally from Africa? Didn’t they learn those things before they left Africa?

    In a one drop rule sense, no white people are anatomically human and did not learn most of those things until they had actual human interaction with people from Africa.

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/03/30/neanderthals/

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  495. One White Man is the moral and militarial equivalent of a thousand blacks, easily.

    What’s your take on Hitler?

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  496. on Fri 28 Aug 2015 at 05:49:49 bygodsloveandgrace

    @ Jefe.. The Truth can’t handle the truth you just shared!

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  497. Um… if abagond likes us (Black people) so much then why does he allow obvious trolls? People need to get a life. I don’t go to “white people are better than black people!!!!!!!!!!” delusional forums and post comments to the contrary and tell them that they (the users there) suck @ss and are probably low self esteem homos. So why are white people coming to a pro-Black website and saying stuff like black people are stupid? Jeez abby, moderate or appoint some watchful eyes to do it for you.

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  498. Wait a minute…. you all mean to tell me that you actually think that blacks are fully evolved, fully functioning human beings?
    You do realize that blacks are the only ones that would believe that nonsense, right? I mean…. it really is that obvious.
    Average IQ levels equal to those of human beings with Down’s Syndrome, complete lack of abstract/critical thinking, complete lack of morality, ape-like appearances and mannerisms, behaviors, attitudes, always chimping out at the smallest hint of adversity, sky high levels of crime, std’s, offspring lacking both parents, I could go on and on and on….
    It really frightens me that you all actually think that you’re not your own separate species. We are NOT all the same, you are most certainly NOT “just like us.” I can’t believe you all actually believe this…. my guess is you’re just pretending, in order to get more government benefits or something.
    You all sure do have some nerve, making such outrageous claims!

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  499. @Truth

    “You all sure do have some nerve, making such outrageous claims!”—-Sounds like you just had a stroke and lost part of your mental capabilities. It is okay. The REAL truth can do that to people.

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  500. @ sharinalr

    The troll called Truth is looking for some attention. He’s a loser to himself and everyone else.

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  501. By the way…only reason I find myself at this joke of a site is because I just happened to type into google “everyone hates niqqers”.
    So funny though, how we enslaved you all for so many centuries…. my family gained great wealth from the Atlantic slave trade. Thanks!

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  502. “What we falsify here is the strong out-of-Africa hypothesis that everyone comes from the same population,” Dr. Paabo said.

    In his and Dr. Reich’s view, Neanderthals interbred only with non-Africans, the people who left Africa, which would mean that non-Africans drew from a second gene pool not available to Africans.
    Neanderthal DNA is where high human intelligence originated, by the way. Neanderthals were found to have larger craniums than blacks (homo erectus) thus larger brains.

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  503. @ Truth

    Deleted comments for use of racial slurs.

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/comment-policy/

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  504. on Sat 29 Aug 2015 at 02:51:29 bygodsloveandgrace

    We all know Truth is a troll. The question is, how long do we choose to entertain this?

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  505. It’s not black people you need to worry about Truth. Its people like me.

    If someone insulted your family you would take it like a coward. Thanks for proving my point.

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  506. @ Michael Jon Barker @ Truth

    Deleted comments for use of racial slurs.

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/comment-policy/

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  507. @Michael Cooper

    I know, but it is so funny watching him go bat shyte over truth he obviously can’t handle.

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  508. “…militarial equivalent”

    I think most of us are evolved enough to know that “militarial” is not a word.

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  509. Lol there goes his iq argument

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  510. @ Abagond. . You may have missed Truths racial slur nine paragraphs above this comment as its still their. I had copy and pasted it from their which I believe then got my comment deleted on your “use of racial slurs” policy. Or maybe it was me alluding to killing him. Regardless I’m done with the troll.

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  511. You all sure do have some nerve, making such outrageous claims!

    I am a Tharkess from Mars, now that’s an outrageous claim!

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  512. This troll is a perfect example that people like him/her are just cowards. Not only are him/her a coward they are also ignorant. People like these are such losers.

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  513. @Herneith

    Truth = smart is even more outrageous.

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  514. on Sat 29 Aug 2015 at 16:40:38 bygodsloveandgrace

    @ Herneith

    ” I am a Tharkess from Mars, now that’s an outrageous claim!” Ha! Indeed.

    @Mary It’s sad that in 2015 and with all the knowledge available that people still think like that.

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  515. @ Michael Jon Barker

    He was not using it as a slur in that case. But yeah, even aside from the slurs, you both were imagining violent consequences upon each other. That could count as “calls for violence”, but the slurs were a more clear-cut violation of the comment policy.

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  516. @bygodsloveandgrace: Oh well you can’t fix stupid.

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  517. @bygodsloveandgrace

    That is because people like him have been feed a lie and don’t know how to expel it. I feel sorry for him.

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  518. I must admit I find it hilarious when you creatures threaten us with violence, as if we should fear you or take you seriously. We dominated every single aspect of your worthless lives for many centuries through slavery, and for some reason you think that we should fear you and take you seriously?
    Have you been paying attention the past several decades?
    Just because you creatures are ugly and stupid does not give cause to fear you.
    By the way, not sure what was said about me before the post was deleted, but if you ever threaten me or my family directly, I’ll hang your ape ass from a tree and then set you on fire, you filthy little niqqer.

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  519. I am letting through the above comment by Truth as an example of racist hatred, which is very much on topic. BUT I am also banning her because she seems to have no willingness to follow the comment policy by her repeated and deliberate use of racial slurs.

    The commenter Truth is banned.

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  520. on Sat 29 Aug 2015 at 19:24:08 Michael Barker

    @ Abagond. Thanks for explaining it. My apologies.

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  521. on Sat 29 Aug 2015 at 20:05:58 bygodsloveandgrace

    @abagond. Yes thanks for the rationale. Truth’s final comment is incredibly vile and a reminder of the level of ignorance that has been passed down generationally.

    @sharinalr….Unfortunately that level of ignorance is so ingrained nothing can be done… As Mary said, you can’t fix stupid….

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  522. As many have said, ignorance is the core of commenter Truth’s problem. If you take the long view from slavery to now, it has been nothing but a long and slow road of intellectual defeat of racists and their childish ideas.

    First it was believed that Blacks possessed brute strength, but lacked the intelligence, composure and dexterity to truly compete with Whites in sports. Hitler still believed in 1932 that his ‘super race’ of Arian Whites could easily defeat the inferior Negro runners. Well…

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/P5c1Clex7b440PYJdJltIAOk9OdYlwD-ja8fqMI4ckmpCG9a5kHffp9goKw7rrVB6wi8xYOoeZLM_ZIi6l0Vhuvhjaxeui9PgxBtOeyxi4Yrn74-dbCVz4RB1SxHThHsWgPbMQ=w506-h284

    Heil Third Place.

    But the entire last century was punctuated with artificial ceilings of what Blacks couldn’t do because of their race—which ALL turned out to be wrong in every single instance. I won’t even waste time going through the list. Today’s racist have, by and large, grudgingly conceded that the “Blacks can’t do that” argument is a loosing one. They have now retreated behind the “Black Exception argument. Sure there are a few Blacks that can do well but MOST of them can’t! Again, a nonsense view that unwittingly proves that an aptitude for success has nothing to do with inherited racial genetics.

    With each decade the ground that racists stand on grows smaller and smaller as they strain in desperation to find some small space to hang their supposed superiority upon. Commenters like Truth are angry because they are desperate, plain and simple. Their world is crumbling and has been crumbling for a long, long, time. In fact the anonymous internet post is almost the last place of solace.

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  523. “losing” not “loosing!”

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  524. What The troll truth said was explicitly violent and should be reported. Threats like that should be taken very seriously for everyone’s safety. No joke.

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  525. ^^^^ I agree. She needs to be reported.

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  526. White propagandists are known for selling lies and racial fear and, obviously, Truth (aka The Troll) has bought plenty of lies and racial fear.

    Truth shouldn’t be concerned with marginalized Black people who live two hours away, it’s the neighboring White pedophiles and pederasts that he should be concerned with.

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  527. Joaquin, If identifying as white is a sickness then so is identifying as black. If one is a sickness, so is the other, There is no way around your statement. If it’s OK to be proud of being black as in the black pride label, then I’ll die being proud of being white.

    You think I live in shame over what happened 100s of years ago when the Europeans took over the Americas? Well, I don’t at all. We made these nations civilized and if you don’t like the way we did it you are free to move to the ‘civilized’ countries in Africa or Central America or the Middle East. The language you all use and the electricity and the computer you wrote your racism on was all invented by a white man. Yes, that electricity that changed the course of the world, same with the internet and the personal computer. You blacks should get on your knees and thank God every single beautiful day that you are not living in Africa where women get their clits cut off and have plates put in their lips and kids take showers in cow piss.

    I don’t feel inferior to any race. In my heart of hearts I truly believe that whites are, by far, the most advanced and superior race on the planet. Like they say, give a white a hammer and he’ll build a cathedral. Give an Asian a hammer and he’ll build more hammers. Give a Jew a hammer and he’ll give it to the negro to kill white people. You blacks are being played by the Jews and you’re to low IQ to know it. Once we whites are gone, and yes, we are leaving this planet quickly (It is GOD’s plan to get us out of here before the real *hit hits the fan) then you people who are jealous of us and hate us for our accomplishments will get to live in a complete hell hole of your own making. Then who will you blame for your failures? Who?

    When I look at blacks are read the words I’ve read on this thread I feel one thing, utter revulsion. Yes, blacks revolt me to the core. Years ago I learned to trust your heart in matters like this.

    I grew up in a lily white town in the 60s-70s in Southern Oregon. As an adult my husband was transferred to Fort Ord, California and I had a huge awakening on black ‘people’. They were rude, hateful, surly, abusive, and fowl mouthed. White women couldn’t even go shopping in a grocery store without these feral animals encircling her cart and daring her to even say excuse me. They attacked for no reason, just like they do today with the knockout game. You are hated for your low IQs and your feral behaviors. Nothing more, nothing less. I was not taught to hate races in my loving home. I was taught to hate you blacks by only you blacks. You did it to me, I didn’t do it to you. SO, I’ll take my leave and leave you to whine and blame and cry and bellyache, instead of going to college and working hard and keeping your yards up so we don’t have to see your trash. Tell you boys to pull their pants up and your girls to stop popping out little Negroes for others to support. Oh, and saying more whites are on welfare? Again, your concept of math is pathetically low. Have you no idea what percentages or per capita is? Whites are 30% of the welfare rates yet they are 70% of the population. Blacks are about 30% of the welfare rate and are only 12% of the population. SO statistically, per capita, more than twice as many blacks are on welfare as whites. But, I know math skills are not your strong point. Again, I love being white, I thank God for it every single day. If you call that narcissistic, then so be it. I am very proud of my white race and if that’s racist then I’ll wear that tag as if it’s a badge of HONOR. Only such an inferior people can be enslaved and held down by others.

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  528. @Cathy

    Your post Contradicts itself. Too bad that superior white intellect that your type likes to imagine you have did no justice on you.

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  529. This is the TRUTH. This is why I have to laugh when white people complain why can’t they have white pride or white history month. Because there’s NOTHING PROUD TO BE OF. NOTHING. Literally all the problems in Africa is because of white people. Everywhere they go they have to mess things up for black people.

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  530. @ Cathy

    I love being white, I thank God for it every single day.

    I can understand why you do since being White is the only thing you have to be proud of. White first, human second (or last). What’s there to be envious of?

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  531. Once we whites are gone, and yes, we are leaving this planet quickly (It is GOD’s plan to get us out of here before the real *hit hits the fan) then you people who are jealous of us and hate us for our accomplishments will get to live in a complete hell hole of your own making.

    You better not come to my planet, Mars! We will feed you Uranus on a platter!

    Yes, blacks revolt me to the core

    Your one of these white yahoos who secretly lust after blacks, you are probably turned on writing this crap. I will send you electrodes to cure you of your violent passions.

    Tin foil hat time! Seriously, the loons are out in full force.

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  532. how the zebra got it’s stripes or

    the origins of Shakespeare’s green-eyed monster or

    the beginning of the great trek or

    on the eighth day or

    the origin of *!r?u *Zh?au (white woman) and *!a?u *!Xua (white man) or

    why do whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?

    by taotesan

    in Africa,
    many sunrises ago , in the early dawn of humanity, a fingernail of a moon disappeared and the refulgent sun burnt fiercely after the gentle rosy fingered dawn.

    a special people lived in the red shifting sands of the kalahari. they had no leaders and no-one was given special importance.
    these people were consummate hunters and used caterpillars and the larvae of insects as poison to hunt giraffe. their sense of hearing, sight and smell, unparalleled.

    there were a set of twins who had perfected balanced ornamental pairs of ears. they did not listen to any-one. their eyes were bigger than their stomachs -they would insist on the lion’s share after a kill. they did not join in the celebrations of gratitude after a bountiful feast. when the people danced, they would be out of step, not in rhythm. the geckos, porcupines and frogs all would quiver upon their approach. they had bad busy fingers and would pull out the porcupine quills for fun.

    at the watering-hole the two teenagers would gaze at their reflection, in love with themselves.
    what the twins did next was so unspeakable, that the hairs of their mother slightly uncurled.

    their mother was enraged: “I shall slap the black off both of you!” and she did!

    her palm prints imprinted on their buttocks, flattening them somewhat.
    she slapped the black off them! at the bank of the watering hole, stood a small horse with white fur. the black landed on the white horse. it now had black and white striped patterns. the shock changed the colour of the twins’ hair and eyes and made their hair stand straight on end.

    the shock sent the zebra galloping

    and the twins on the run to the northern climes.

    did you know that zebras are just like snowflakes, each one is individual and has an individual pattern?

    taotesan

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  533. *perfectly, not perfected

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  534. Whites are 30% of the welfare rates yet they are 70% of the population. Blacks are about 30% of the welfare rate and are only 12% of the population.

    Notice how white people love playing these stat games, like it’s the ultimate trump card to shut down those uppity, annoying blacks with their nasty little opinions.

    Besides, this was already debunked before:

    I know this is a hard pill for many people to swallow since we have been constantly told that Blacks are the leeches of society. So, following that logic, they must make up the greatest percentage of all subsidies. But wait you say, Blacks still take more than their fair share of these “handouts”. After all, Blacks make up only 13.1 percent of the population, right? Yet, Blacks comprise nearly twice that percentage of SNAP recipients. True. But, I would counter that with this fact: The largest percentage of the unemployed in this country is Black people at 15.8%. http://www.dol.gov/_Sec/media/reports/blacklaborforce/. Whites make up 77% of the population while their unemployment rate stands at 7.9%. Yet, they still make up 37.6% of food stamp recipients.

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  535. @ Mack Lyons

    The argument about Blacks being welfare leeches and SNAP and percentages and all that completely leaves out corporate welfare.

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  536. I can’t believe the racist article and especially all the racist comments about whites. Not all whites are racists and not all blacks are racists. I have black friends and I treat them the same way i treat all my other friends because I’m intelligent enough to judge people based on their individuality and not on color. It must really suck for youmpeople to be racist enough to judge all whites of being bad.

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  537. @Richie

    Yet you are not intelligent enough to know that no one said ALL whites. Saying whites does not mean all whites. If I said white people have blue eyes does that mean all white people have blue eyes? A hit dog will holler and having black friends does not change that.

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  538. I believe it is a lot simpler than stated. Every world power favored their own race while subjugating anyone else. The Egyptians, Assyrians, Romans and each of the other world rulers did just the same. The major difference between the white ruling powers now and other world powers is the previous ones were primarily homogeneous.,

    Now there are multiple races who may be citizens of the USA for example. As a result, the government tries to establish a system of inclusion. However the USA started primarily white and incorporated slavery then tried to level the playing field after years of an institution that incorporates hatred and racism. Even whites who immigrated but we’re not English blue blood were shunned, so began racist organizations like The Know Nothings who hated Germans, Irish, Scottish etc.

    The fact sadly is this: Any race that becomes a ruling entity will favor its own. If blacks ruled the world, then art, history, music, politics, standards of beauty etc would all elevate blacks and degrade anything else. Even if the world were compromised of only one race, ways would exist to establish who and what is the most desireable. It’s problem that due to the nature of men, will only continue.

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  539. @ Kelly

    The Roman Empire was not homogeneous and its rulers did not favor a specific “race”. The Founding Fathers wanted America to be like Rome, so the “one race to rule them all” idea was flawed from the start. Please actually study history before spewing ignorant drivel.

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  540. @ Kelly

    “The fact sadly is this: Any race that becomes a ruling entity will favor its own. If blacks ruled the world, then art, history, music, politics, standards of beauty etc would all elevate blacks and degrade anything else.”

    It is not necessary to degrade others to feel good about yourself. That is what bullies, wife beaters, narcissists and racists do. It speaks of a lack of self-worth, of worth being conditional, the very thing that underlies racism.

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  541. You think white people hate blacks? Most people do. Maybe it is instinctive. I don’t know. My one year old nephew who has lived in a homogenous brown neighborhood couldn’t stop looking at a white girl who visited our neighbors house.

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  542. This post really is a magnet for drive-by White Supremacists who come to lecture, ridicule and play the dumb card. Like lemmings rushing to the sea, they can’t seem to stop proving Abagond’s points. LOL!

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  543. on Fri 5 Feb 2016 at 05:03:19 Beautiful Queen

    & not one white person can argue with that.

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  544. @ Afrofem

    I noticed that, too. It’s like they don’t even know what they’re inadvertently doing.

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  545. @ Kiwi

    Yeah. That is what makes the comments on this post such howlers;
    the drive-by White Supremacists are too darn lazy to read the posts for context. They seem incapable of appreciating other people’s point of view.

    They live in such White Adoration bubbles that when they see any analysis or criticism of European descent people they immediately screech about ‘hate’, unaware that they are projecting their state of mind onto other people.

    Anger + Criticism ≠ Hate.

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  546. on Fri 5 Feb 2016 at 09:28:58 Dorian motton

    Racism will never end just keep your faith in God and everything will be fine because it is all about the Lord

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  547. @Abagond

    Narcissism – having no true sense of self-worth they put up a false front to persuade the world, and most of all themselves, that they do have worth.

    I’ve often wondered if that’s rooted in the parenting styles found in White culture.

    Dichotomous thinking

    Is this really a “White thing”? I completely see it in myself and others… I guess I just never looked for it’s absence in POC.

    Moral blindness – this is huge. Every single black person in the eyes of white people is the sign of a terrible crime from their ugly past, a reminder that their life is a fraud, that they are pretty much nothing more than armed robbers.

    You think so? Like on a subconscious level? Yeah, maybe. I’ve always felt that Whites that hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks never gave history a passing thought, but you might be on to something.

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  548. Open Minded Observer

    “I’ve often wondered if that’s rooted in the parenting styles found in White culture.”—–I have thought this as well, but was also unsure if there was a major difference in how POC did parenting vs whites. I think it may have to do with living in a society that enforces white greatness.

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  549. @sharinalr
    “I think it may have to do with living in a society that enforces white greatness.”
    Yes, I think so. But, I think it’s not just about race though. Alongside the “White is right” messaging is this other dynamic. I see it all throughout White society. This constant need to bury anything displeasing and exaggerate anything that inflates their sense of self worth. It’s why every marriage is perfect until the divorce is announced. Every kid plays travel sports (and is the star of the team). Kids get the messaging from birth that valued = special. To be special or exceptional means you have to be better than others (real or imagined). At the same time, people are constantly looking for acknowledgement and recognition (kids and adults) which clearly speaks their internal lack of self worth. When it all converges, racism seems the inevitable outcome.

    I think your point is spot on though. Because if you remove the White greatness messaging, you lose a critical ingredient for racism. Whites would no longer hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks. People would just go on being narcissists or whatever and belittle or hate on everyone equally to inflate their sense of self worth. I honestly think that’s the point a lot of the colorblind crowd might be at now. They just wind up contributing to systemic racism unintentionally because their privilege allows them to succeed instead of POC …and success in spite of others is critical to their sense of self worth. But, those are not the Whites the post is referring to so that’s for another discussion perhaps.

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  550. Everyone needs a hobby, that’s theirs.

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  551. Open Minded Observer

    You make a very good points and I completely agree.

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  552. correction you make very good points*

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  553. @taotesan

    WOW! I just read your amazing parable. https://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/01/02/why-do-whites-hate-demonize-fear-and-look-down-on-blacks/#comment-294166

    It’s sort like of the ideas of Dr. Frances Cress Welsing infused with poetic prose . Very subtle and full of vivid imagery.

    I especially loved how you placed the fascinating San people in the center of the story. They have endured so much pain from their Bantu (and later European) neighbors over the centuries. Many people forget just how special they are and how much they have to teach the rest of us about being truly human.

    Thank you, taotesan!

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  554. Dear Ms Afrofem

    Thank you so very much for appreciating my ‘origins’ story. I would tell you that I was rather disappointued that nobody seemed to comment on it or perhaps understand it.
    How perceptive that you knew it was the San(my ancestors ) I was referring to!
    Yes, there are many onion rings in that ‘parable’.
    You have taken me somewhat out my my lurker status- still feel bruised by a horrible comment left by a racist. I have also been battling aphonia and writer’s block.
    In reciprocation, I have enjoyed reading your comments and insights , recently the exchange between you and Fan… .
    As to the San, I find I cannot adequately talk about it without feeling overwhelming sadness. I am still battling to read about the Dutch /Afrikaner genocide of my ancestors. I would be very careful, though of reading white historians interpretation of the ‘Bantu expansion’ . This is used in service to their sick ideology to downplay their grand theft of African land, genocide, slavery and apartheid.

    To tie in to the post, lest it becomes off-topic , for all the forests felled, written about Africans and Africans in diaspora, strangely, not one in the ‘not all’ camp of super non racists have adequately theorized or explained the reasons why white people hate other earthlings. If they did, then they would not be so at a loss at understanding their so-called pychopaths. To my mind, a white person is only deemed a psychopath when they harm other white people. Psychopathy seems normalized and internalized within their psyche, that there is absolutely nothing wrong at all hurting in all manner, a person that does not have a white skin.
    After having confronted and argued with many white South Africans, I have come to the conclusion that they (ALL!) think that Black suffering is a very good thing. They cannot live on this planet without stealing and hurting people. Original kleptomaniac sadists.

    Notice how insane they become when Black people stand up for themselves and love their people. Think Steve Biko, Robert Sobukwe, Sandra Bland, Patrice Lamumba , Malcolm X, Dr Frances Cress Welding…..

    Please excuse me for my lack of coherence and lucidity of thought.

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  555. taotesan @ “Please excuse me for my lack of coherence and lucidity of though”

    Linda says,

    no need… you were very clear and lucid.

    and Thank you for mentioning about the Bantu’s and how the white racists in your country and western historians have distorted south Africa’s history, in order to steal indigenous African’s land and their history.

    I got into an argument with one a few of Abagond’s racist trolls about this subject… they try to use any and everything in the book to link the Boers to South Africa–trying to claim that white people are “indigenous” to south Africa.

    (indigenous my a’s — just writing those words makes me want to vomit but those lies have made their way around cyberspace)

    if interested, here are the links to those exchanges:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/12/11/nelson-mandela/#comment-205745

    and

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/12/11/nelson-mandela/#comment-205912

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  556. @taotesan

    I agree with Linda, your writing is quite lucid. Thank you for sharing some of your personal story.

    I will write a longer response later….

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  557. @Linda

    I loved your pre-summary in #comment-205912:

    “History doesn’t begin with the Europeans and when they wrote stuff down… I guess for you and the lying white south Africans, the dinosaurs didn’t exist either because they didn’t leave behind a detailed diary of their existence and no one white person was there to witness and prove it!”

    You more than held your own against one of Abagond’s more abrasive trolls.

    Thank you for your research into the “Bantu Expansion”. It seems the Bantu Expansion is in the same category of White Supremacist propaganda as, “Black on Black” crime and the Crack Epidemic of the 1980s. Euro-propagandists take a few facts, twist meanings, conflate the facts with lies and shroud the whole thing in myth so that the people hurt by these events are presented as perpetrators instead of victims.

    This propaganda also seems to act as straw man contructs meant to derail conversations about race and social realities. A perfect place for anti-Black bigots to hide behind and lob semantic grenades.

    I learned a lot. I need to do more reading about the history of Southern Africa.

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  558. @taotesan

    “…not one in the ‘not all’ camp of super non racists have adequately theorized or explained the reasons why white people hate other earthlings.”

    That one had me stumped for years, too.

    One day, I was reading a psychology book and the author stated that people hate those they have harmed. The more they harm you, the more they hate you.

    Seems counterintuitive, doesn’t it? The author of the book went on to explain that when someone harms another person, their actions are at odds with their self image as a good, decent and moral person. To reconcile their actions with their self image, they have to label the person or persons they harm as bad people deserving mistreatment aka “the devil made me do it” defense.

    This process becomes habit, institutionalized and part of an oppressor group tradition…then it can go on for generations. Africans in the Diaspora, the indigenous people of South Africa, the Roma of Europe, the Dalits of India and yes, the San people in Botswana all become the hated “other”, not because of anything they do or did, but because of the harm they endure at the hands of others.

    Human psychology with all of it rationalizations and self-deception can be frightening and enlightening. It seems people who lecture others about “personal responsibility” need a strong dose of their own medicine.

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  559. @ Afrofem

    I learned a lot. I need to do more reading about the history of Southern Africa.

    Good to read that!
    People who live in the Northern hemisphere need to know more about what happens in the other half of the World.
    I wrote 2 years ago, in this blog, a piece about the history of the last quarter of century (XXth century) of Southern* Africa that, maybe, could be useful to you use as a starting point for more research (it’s not an academic paper, by the way…). See:

    (https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/in-memoriam-nelson-mandela/#comment-205067)

    * Please do not confound Southern Africa – a region encompassing all the Africa, South of the Congo river – and South Africa – the country that become known because of the Apartheid system which ended in 1994.

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  560. @munubantu

    Thank you for a link to your comment. I will have to read, absorb and respond later.

    To me, Southern Africa includes these modern nation-states:

    Angola, Zambia, Malawi, Mozambique, Madagascar, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, South Africa and the islands of Reunion and Mauritius.

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  561. @munubantu

    “All these historic events happened before our eyes, “in the time of our lives”.
    With awe we saw unfolding a long epic journey of Black people from racist yoke to liberation, in a large region encompassing, at that time, more than 100 million people.”

    Thank you for letting me see recent history of Southern Africa through your eyes. Your pride is palpable and deserved.

    Ejecting the colonial oppressors was a grueling and dirty business. The people of Southern Africa still bear the scars of those times. I am thinking of Namibian newspaper accounts of the years of fighting and pain…widows…orphans…amputees…the disappeared.

    I am also aware of the deep disappointment of the people who expected better living conditions, opportunities and leadership after liberation. Revolutions promise so much, but afterward there is a return to daily life; kids, laundry, in-law’s who annoy you, house payments and taxes.

    Sometimes history seems like a heaving ocean, filled with waves, dips, whirlpools and riptides. Every person has to make a decision whether to just float along on the surface, steer their own boat or journey with others on an ocean liner to a safe harbor. No matter how you travel the ocean of history, you are always aware of the power of the water to overwhelm you. Your destination can be very different from the one your set sail for so many years ago.

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  562. @Linda

    I had read your rebuttals on the Nelson Mandela thread.
    STANDING OVATION and LOW BOW.

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  563. @Linda, Ms Afrofem

    I feel I should add a substantive comment, but am unable to .

    I am reading about the genocide of my people and just last night watched a documentary . My head is done in.

    Ever since a little girl I have tried to figure out white people. I still can’t wrap my mind around their unmatched cruelty and greed.

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  564. on Sun 21 Feb 2016 at 15:00:33 Marilyn Williams

    One word FEAR, just as I fear rodents, I will do any and everything to keep them out because I know once they get in they will take over my space and I will no longer be in control. Sound familiar? Black people are tenacious, resilient, durable! Even through the FIRE we rise!

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  565. Let’s face the facts. Nobody likes black people. Not Hispanics, Asians, Indians, or Caucasions. Black people are strange in so many ways.

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  566. @ Don

    Who gives a damn!! Dr. Claude Anderson reminds his people, Blacks, about how other ethnic groups hate Blacks. It’s all good. I rather for an individual to keep it 100 with me than to pretend that he or she likes me. But what really amazes me about people is how Blacks are “loved” by other ethnic groups – especially White folks – when it’s election time, war time, the Super Bowl, and the NBA finals. Wake up Black people. As our Great Ancestor John Henrik Clarke once said: “Black people, you ain’t got no friends.” I’m cool with it.

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  567. @ Michael Cooper

    What I find most bizarre are people who openly express anti-Black attitudes but go nuts over games that LeBron James and Kobe Bryant play in or listen to Drake and Snoop Dogg all the time. It’s like they can’t make up their minds about whether they “like” Black people.

    What I’ve learned, though, is that at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter who “likes” you. When it comes to issues concerning race like justice, equality, rights, and freedom, how one feels about others should not matter. Being allies is not the same as being friends. If someone becomes an activist to make “friends”, they are likely doing it for the wrong reasons. People can do the right thing without having to “like” anyone.

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  568. @ Don

    What’s really “strange” is…wait! let me rephrase it…what’s really inhumane is this:
    http://www.theweeklyvice.com/2013/02/kara-vandereyk-jailed-after-having-sex.html
    http://www.theweeklyvice.com/2012/12/brittany-sonnier-charged-with-having.html
    http://www.theweeklyvice.com/2013/05/stephanie-mikles-school-behavioral.html

    Black people are known for doing stupid sh*t, but f*#%ing mammals isn’t one of them. God knows our limit and we know are limits.

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  569. @ Kiwi

    You couldn’t have said it any better. I agree – know the difference between “friends” and allies.

    People like these aren’t friends and they’re definitely NOT allies:




    Ask any of these Black athlete/hip hop entertaining-loving fans (White folks) how do they feel about reparations for Black Americans and affirmative action and all of them would turn RED!!!! I keep it 100.

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  570. Let’s face the facts. Nobody likes black people. Not Hispanics, Asians, Indians, or CaLet’s face the facts.

    Whippity do. Opinions are like anuses; everyone has one. Yours being especially shiteous.

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  571. I came across this post after writing the question in my google search box. Why was I thinking this : I had just finished reading Wikipedia’s entry on the Queen of sheba and while impartial and informative I was amazed at how twisted this entire entry is. The reality is that white historians have sought to rewrite black glory out of history books as if acknowledging it would somehow tarnish the current run of “white glory”. I guess that dichotomous thinking again is at play. It’s a real pity cos we live in this relative world and it seems our fellow humans born without melanin have sought to define their relative existence by attaching their self to a black anti self. Whereas we Africans are not so preoccupied with otherness even yellowbone/redbone is a western concept. Personally I have travelled and lived in the white people’s origin countries, their true domicile and truth be told I would be a little pissed off at Africa and Africans too, what will all the sunshine, endless sources of protein, fruit laden trees just weighing themselves down. and what about all those gorgeous people running around in song and praise with no cares in this world. I would want that and to secure it would exterminate them all. Racism is just economics of the stomach or the loins. so next time spare a thought for your white brother /sister, cos everybody loves the sunshine!

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  572. on Wed 9 Mar 2016 at 14:05:45 none of it is true not one word not even in a dream

    no white person even remotely feels what is written in this ridiculous article.but blacks will continue to buy straight hair and bleach skin and we don’t care or mind either. we still wouldn’t want to look like that end result . the real truth is blacks are “running out of” white people caring at all anymore and that’s why these articles are cropping up now. it will ALSO die out just like arab and muslim “uprisings” its all ebb and flow of what we ignore and don’t care about.
    to whites the black uprising issue is the same as the arab muslim one..just another thing to “pass” and this too shall pass
    it always does
    the more you talk
    the more you make it pass
    hence your frustration
    which we must ignore
    its not good for us or you.

    to actually care about this
    only thing I ever get from all these articles is thank GOD im not black!!!! id hate this!!
    white is beautiful lovely kind holy. nothing cracked (what until we see a black person?lol) in your dreams, you need it for an identity but we don’t and THATS what drives you all nuts so separation will be LOVELY for us:)

    peace of mind .
    I had it before I saw and heard what a black person thinks
    I feel no guilt except for the shame I feel that your mother cant for having you.

    I don’t feel bad for truth.
    breeding has always been your “power” quality has not been the power.
    simply showing up and saying look we are here see our black faces , as an angst to others has been your glee. you like it you enjoy saying we are here and we know you don’t like it
    monkeys do that too
    they screech and hurl terds at other beings lol like theyre glad their whole purpose was ONLY to annoy.
    whites tolerate it quietly because we cannot relate to that feeling.we knew only love and giving love.
    if it doesn’t come back to us what we gave.. we see monkeys.
    its always been that way.

    its really no big deal
    no real emotion anymore about it.,
    now its only a science freak show that we watch. that’s why blacks atarted writing all these articles..they wonder why their “supply” got cut off.
    they always knew they couldn’t get supply from each other
    that’s what blacks taught us the MOST.
    that theyre not ok on their own,.
    and are chimping out across the nation. we just let it pass
    and quietly think to ourselves “never again”
    righteously spiritually “aborted” from us
    and that’s when you all started aborting each other in record numbers

    so stop lying that you like being black.
    and then always doing the opposite
    we see that as a disease.

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  573. on Wed 9 Mar 2016 at 14:06:50 none of it is true not one word not even in a dream

    the white girl…green eyes brown hair.. is prettier with the cracked face than… “you know who”
    wow such a pretty image!!

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  574. on Wed 9 Mar 2016 at 14:11:36 none of it is true not one word not even in a dream

    in my experience its been that no one likes blacks that have these “loose” faces… like lips drooling “hanging” in that stupid posture… that face that says “i am dumb, I am immoral and I don’t care” they sport it like its cool…… like “I am a reject from all that’s Godly and Holy and now I rub it in your face too” they really DO have that “look” like a slack spirit in them.. like too lazy to even WALK…. like they are dragging something good with them …. that they hate.. MANY have that demon…. you can sense it.. I can see an upright black person from a mile away but most have that stupor look… like a demon raped them so many times they gave in to it and started to like it
    and ive even had black people TELL me that… so many are now agreeing they are possessed..its no surprise.. Africa has NO BOOK no one God religion ever known in history (name one in an African language) if there is one no one has ever heard of it
    it all voodoo… jumping around naked and with lips hanging open…
    something they are trying to “shake off” but its a terd that wont flush
    I think its themselves
    but they were under a delusion that they could be different

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  575. on Wed 9 Mar 2016 at 14:18:59 none of it is true not one word not even in a dream

    also a lack of intelligence and a pride in being a problem.. example , a negress above compared herself to rats to be exterminated LOL…. this is a prime example ,she feels pride in being that…. this is the TRUTH of the black existence. therefore once we get to the root of the problem of the rats..fire will WORK..and there will be no rising afterwards,just burnt to a crisp crispy black flakes.
    no rising
    the love ran out
    when we found out you cant love each other
    and will die crying lips hanging open .. the stupor look.
    as self aborted
    SELF aborted
    instead of always each other,
    life cant save you then ,especially not a womb🙂

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  576. on Wed 9 Mar 2016 at 14:28:28 none of it is true not one word not even in a dream

    kiwi those are avatars or “toys” to white people… sports figures and such.. liking one doesn’t mean you like ALL black people lol
    thatd be sick
    they almost got all excited about that themselves!! like oh look whites will accept all of us now because they like a basketball player lol that’s so funny
    I think its tribal thinking.
    they feel all included in the success of other blacks
    its a sad sad struggle of nothingness

    if I like a black actor why would I like the hood negress with aids and 5 kids who is a sodomy prostitute too?
    that makes no sense at all
    the actor broke out of his culture
    he is considered a success or one who “rose above” his lame ass people
    even they look up to him

    whites only see it as a toy to pick up and put down when done
    blacks only need to worry about themselves not what whites think cuz we are free
    free to think what we want and change at anytime
    they shouldn’t DEPEND on that

    we may have only wanted them to behave and they failed that royally
    they know they have no identity in Africa or here
    they know the spirit they have inherited that animaites their bodies is a demon
    the negress or black woman knows her greatest ENEMY is the black man
    for his being immoral

    yet her womb still pops them out
    and anything that comes from her womb inherits the same feeling she has and he has
    so they all hate each other
    I would too if that came from me

    id try to feel separate from my own womb and say its being used as a portal for demons from hell

    if that was me and my life that’s how id feel

    but many of them like it
    that’s why they cant be seen as human
    (if they like it)

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  577. @none of it is true not one word not even in a dream

    I see the crack rock you are smoking is in effect. No one has loose faces unless they are on drugs or the genetics of most whites who seem to get that right around 40. In that case it explains why you see them.

    Africans have several languages and religions that has been proven so many times it is a shame that people like you are still in the dark.

    Whites riot over sports. They pay anything for a black player. The current white anger is because blacks are being unapologetic black. Because they LOVE themselves enough to now stop caring what you think.
    🙂

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  578. sharinalr,

    hey Ms. Sharina… nice to see you… keep slaying those trolls

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  579. Sharina,

    LOL

    I was wondering if you would show up to put this drive-by escapee from the pit back in its place. You never disappoint! No matter how tiresome these demented and retarded idiots become.

    Thank you!

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  580. @Sharina
    You’re amazing for getting through that individual’s posts (if you were able to). I just scanned and bailed once I saw it was all nonsense.

    This whole “looking down on black people” is kind of funny because it is evident that removal of melanin does not improve the skin (skin cancer risks increase), the eyes (risk of vision problems increase), or the brain (neuro-melanin depletion is associated with Parkinson’s disease, for example, and black people also have the lowest rate).

    Despite the claims that lack of skin pigmentation is an adaptation for vitamin D production under the lower sunlight typical in Northern lattitudes, black people actually have higher blood levels of an active form of Vitamin D and better calcium absorption, resulting in stronger bones and lower osteoporosis risk.

    Here is a link to a study at the National Center for Biotechnology comparing black and white girls’ vitamin D levels and calcium retention: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2579645/
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Results: Black girls had lower serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D], higher serum 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D, and higher calcium absorption and retention than White girls. Calcium intake and race, but not serum 25(OH)D, predicted net calcium absorption and retention with Black girls absorbing calcium more efficiently at low calcium intakes than White girls.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D is the active form of the vitamin that aids the uptake of calcium. 25-hydroxyvitamin D [or 25(OH)D] is a precursor that is converted in the kidneys to the active form. In that study they determined that even though black girls have lower levels of the precursor, they have more of the active form. That study concluded that calcium intake and race correlated with the amount of calcium absorption and retention NOT the 25(OH)D levels. However, the common test for Vitamin D levels actually tests the amount of the precursor, not the active form, which will tend to make black people seem vitamin D deficient.

    This is actually the subject of serious scientific research. Another study:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2777641/
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    African Americans, 25-hydroxyvitamin D, and osteoporosis: a paradox

    African Americans have lower serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations and a lower risk of fragility fractures than do other populations. I review the evidence on factors other than vitamin D that might explain this paradox and the calcium economy in different life stages. Researchers are actively trying to explain this genetically programmed advantage. Factors that could protect African Americans against fracture include their higher peak bone mass, increased obesity rates [me: lol], greater muscle mass, lower bone turnover rates, and advantageous femur geometry. In addition, bone histomorphometry in young adults shows longer periods of bone formation.
    […]
    African American girls accrue more calcium than do white girls during adolescence as the result of increased calcium absorption and superior renal [me: kidney] calcium conservation. In adulthood, higher parathyroid hormone concentrations do not result in increased bone loss in African Americans because of their skeletal resistance to parathyroid hormone, and their superior renal conservation of calcium persists.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    To me, this slaughters the notion that pale skin developed as an evolutionary advantage in order to increase vitamin D production, calcium absorption, and therefore bone health under low sunlight. Black people, as a group, do not have racially-correlated chronic bone density problems even when living in colder climates. Quite the contrary, actually. African-Americans even absorb calcium more efficiently when calcium intake is low. It’s a paradox, as they say.

    So why would white people insist that the African human is an inferior being and build cultural rituals around his/her suppression? I’ll leave the reader to postulate. I’ll just say:
    Don’t hate, appreciate.

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  581. @none of it is true not one word not even in a dream: All that word vomit and stupidity.

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  582. @Sharina: Slaying trolls online is your super power. I don’t know how you were able to read that incoherent drivel. Kudos to you and carry on.

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  583. Since the Presidential campaign and all those Trump supporters which where all the stupid happens, I can see all the hatred and ugliness and this is only a mirror reflection of white America.

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  584. @none of it is true:

    They are looking for you, Cletus. Remember crack er is wack.

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  585. @sharinalr

    I love it when you crack that whip!

    Mary is right,

    ” Slaying trolls online is your super power.”

    Well said.

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  586. I see the crack rock you are smoking is in effect

    It’s not crack(so passe), its meth followed by heroin, not necessarily in that order.

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  587. Science keeps shrinking “white superiority” with each passing decade. The pale skin they so treasure and which is at the very center of “whiteness” is a genetic mutation which TAKES AWAY abilities of the skin that most normal humans (with melanin) have naturally. Skin with less melanin is inferior to skin with melanin. Cold hard fact. Science connected the deficient melanin in the skin with the blonde hair and the blue eyes. EVERY human’s iris is blue, but when it is normally pigmented it will appear perhaps green at it’s least concentrated state. Blue is a lack of pigment in the iris, and people with blue eyes have inferior eyesight to those who do not. And one huge kicker –

    Black people are MORE EVOLVED than every other human because we have been evolving much much longer. Only black people have a pure version in the deepest Congo. No other group of humans can claim purity because they all come from the Original Man. ONLY black people are the root of Humanity, nobody else is. Every single genetic trait available can be found in black African people because we are the source of those traits. But the traits unique to black people are not found in any other people. Only listening to the white lies will you start losing touch with the truth.

    Remember these things –

    White people have no moral authority. They can never be considered moral or innocent or trustworthy. Their history tells you everything you need to know, and this applies to even those who say they have done nothing.

    Never go to a white person to learn how to dance, how to cook, how to create music, how to be strong, honest or trustworthy. They cannot teach you things they do not know themselves. They cannot connect to Nature because they are mutants and they did not evolve their whiteness.

    Somebody who identifies with a race is racist. I am Human, not black. Do not call me African American or black. I am Human. If Human children were playing together, they would ask why some of the shildren get burned playing in the sun and why they cannot see as clearly, hear as clearly or tap their fingers to a beat. Even if everyone is hearing the same music, white people cannot process the patterns easily. Non-white children can do this before they can speak.

    Call me whatever you want, but I am correct.

    I ignore the white man until I need for him to unlock a gate, open a door or fetch information. I want nothing else from him. I think we can coexist, but he makes that increasingly difficult as well. He is a violent, warlike creature who DOES NOT KNOW PEACE. White people do not know peace and cooperation. Their history proves this over and over and over. They divide and conquer.

    Do not help them destroy others.

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  588. on Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 03:34:15 almost too stupid to reply to

    dumbest thing ive ever read.poor thing. no homes and slaving in the sun/lack of technology made you black.. I have no idea what made you into voodoo worship (no known god in Africa/not monotheistic NO known religious book in Africa.. in African language) majority of hiv/aids proportionately due to IMMORAL behavior (cdc says BI SEXUAL (abominations) black males give to black females….
    speaking English doesn’t suit you.

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  589. on Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 03:36:12 almost too stupid to reply to

    war like lol….. look at Africa lately? what a liar!!!!! but that’s what black people do. they fear extinction (I don’t know why????? )
    other than that no race on earth really wants them around…
    even Africans hate and kill Africans at record rates….
    English wont help you

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  590. @ almost too stupid / none of it is true

    Please stick to one user name or you will be banned.

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  591. @Origin

    To be honest I hit a few key points and ignored the rest as crack head babble. Which is what it is.

    @Linda, Fan…, Mary, and Afrofem

    Thank you.

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  592. @almost too stupid to reply to

    I am going to assume you don’t read your posts before submitting them, because then you would be introduced to the dumbest thing you ever read. Assuming you can actually read, because you sure as hell can not type.

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  593. on Sat 26 Mar 2016 at 02:14:29 Bella kulasiak

    The whites have always said that the black people were the Assassins were the bad people will I think the white people deserve that statement as their own that black people are good and the white people are more racist and terrorists than blacks or African-Americans that’s why I say and I’m a white person.

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  594. on Sat 26 Mar 2016 at 02:27:26 izabella kulasiak

    Why do whites always say that blacks were the terrorists are the Assassins well I think that the whites are the real assassins or terrorists in the world and blacks are nice not all like them better than the whites and that’s coming from a white person now that is what a person to stand up for their beliefs no matter what it is people say that they’re better than one another because of their skin color well doesn’t matter people say different words because they’re white or black I don’t give a shit about that you know it doesn’t matter who you are what color you are or how old you are and everything it matters who you think you are and want to be in life and if you believe in yiurself and if not then i hope you find the path to the believing in you and I didn’t and I’m 12 and I don’t know who I am or anything but most people do and you should find a path to that because no matter what color what race you are you shouldn’t be racist because what if people were saying that about you what would you think of yourself would you care or would you just not care and be stupid because thats what we have always said bad things about blacks and they say the same about us we treated them so badly this whole time when we could have been treating them like one of our own and I stand up white have always said that stuff like because they wanted to look dominate in front of their own kind blacks are our kind to this doesn’t matter what color. You saying that we’re better because we’re different color than them that’s what im standing up for and i hope you stand with me know matter what color you are.

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  595. Jealousy. …from the beginning

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  596. on Mon 11 Apr 2016 at 19:19:45 TeddyBearDaddy

    I went to drop off some used oil at a random gas station today and saw the sadest thing. A black couple with their little boy waiting in their VW Passat while the father’s F150 was getting some work done. I know we all have unique experiences but man I felt like …… I dunno what the waiting room situation was but wow… It’s something I’m familiar with, you don’t know how much acceptance you have in a setting so you take the cautious, sometimes undignified, route.

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  597. on Sat 30 Apr 2016 at 20:22:26 sophiamueller4

    Am I the only one who is completely past this and sees everyone as equals?
    I feel people need to move on, we in a generation of acceptance! Why is this still an issue? I look at a black person and know I don’t look like them, but I sure know that our insides look the same! I know there are professionals out there of every skin colour! Talented people! We all have our own same potential! It doesn’t matter how we look, I look different from a Chinese person too, or an aborigines or whatever else who cares? This just needs to stop.

    I also don’t relate to this, every human has flaws but I don’t believe myself to be better than anyone! We all know grey areas exist too, it’s not always black and white. We are a diverse race of humans who don’t (thankfully) look the same!

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  598. Am I the only one who is completely past this and sees everyone as equals?

    Probably. Being white allows you that luxury until the ‘other’ says or does something to pi** you off, you will fall back into the white supremacist mindset. Have a nice day and take care.

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  599. @ Herneith

    Nailed it! LMAO!

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  600. Or maybe, whites, asians, hispanics and every other human being on earth is just sick to death of listening to YOUR STUPID JUNGLE MONKEYFUCKS make excuses for ACTING LIKE GODDAMNED APES.

    Now pull up your pants, put on a belt, get a job, quit raping everything that you can catch and maybe, just maybe, you won’t earn yourselves a GENOCIDE because at this point EVERYBODY ON EARTH has GOOD REASONS to want your MONKEY ASS DEAD.

    KEEP TALKING APES because every word you utter provides more reasons to drag you out of your ghettos and Hang You in the Streets. It WILL HAPPEN SHITSKINS, because YOU WILL CHIMP OUT and you WILL EARN GENOCIDE.

    There is no stopping it, there is no preventing it,. YOU CAN’T CONTROL YOURSELVES and you aren’t worth enslaving again. You never contributed anything to human civilization and you never will.

    You are not human, you will never be human, you can’t even act human, so when humans deal with you as the invasive species you are, they will be acting in the right.

    You can scream and call it racist, you can deny statistics screaming that math is racist because apes like you can’t understand it, but everybody else has eyes, They can see you chimping out and destroying what you have been given.

    Your whining no longer wins you sympathy, at this point anybody that kills one of you, is doing the right thing.

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  601. sophiamueller4

    Am I the only one who is completely past this and sees everyone as equals?

    I feel people need to move on, we in a generation of acceptance! Why is this still an issue? I look at a black person and know I don’t look like them, but I sure know that our insides look the same! I know there are professionals out there of every skin colour! Talented people! We all have our own same potential! It doesn’t matter how we look, I look different from a Chinese person too, or an aborigines or whatever else who cares? This just needs to stop.

    The reason we can’t move on is because we – people of color – are reminded of it everyday somehow, someway by mostly white people. It won’t stop, because, again, mostly white people won’t allow it to stop so long as it gives them unfair societal, political and economic advantages.

    POC didn’t create this world. Wealthy, Christian, heterosexual white males did.

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  602. neuterable,

    Judging by your comment and your Google Plus page, you need to have your humanity card revoked.

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  603. @ sophiamueller4

    “Why is this still an issue?”

    Because of people like neuterable.

    “This just needs to stop.”

    It’s people like neuterable you need to convince to make it stop, not the POC on this blog.

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  604. Not to mention people like these…

    http://helloracist.com

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  605. @Neuterable:

    You are a textbook example of a person with extremely low self-esteem who projects their feelings of self-loathing and insecurity on others. Do everyone a favour, take your medications, get out of your mother’s basement and learn to get along with others. On second thought forget it, stay in the basement!

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  606. It’s people like neuterable you need to convince to make it stop, not the POC on this blog.

    They are too cowardly to confront other whites in real life or virulent supremacists like the miscreant neuterable online. It is easier to come to a blog and chastise Black people. This is but another facet of white supremacy, castigating those who are the recipient of the treatment meted out to them by whites.

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  607. @neuterable: I don’t think you are even human you are a prime example that monsters really are real.

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  608. @sophiamueller4: You don’t need to preach to black people and other people of color you need to go to the ones that are the virulent racist that are so consumed with hate for black people. You need to preach to the ones who created this asymmetrical system that promotes white supremacy and white privilege. If by chance you are still reading this thread. Read the post from poster neuterable. That’s who you need to be talking to.

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  609. @Brotha Wolf: That hello racist is vomit inducing that is proof that monsters really exist.

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  610. @Herneith: That’s the truth the poster sophiamueller4 comes to this space with her weak obtuse and morality drivel and the ones she needs to be spouting that ridiculous ranting to is her white peers.

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  611. This article is twisted. Your thought process is clearly off track. To lump a skin color together as you do, “to white people,” when you have no interviews no polls, no data to support these ideas…third rate journalism and silly. I’ll tell you why the white people I know dislike blacks: loud, obnoxious, violent and irresponsibly reckless behavior. It has nothing to do with guilt. White people walking around today will not take blame for slavery because it is not their fault. They will never even give that a serious second look. Your article has some big, well placed psychological terms. Unfortunately, however…it’s quite unrealistic and seems to me an attempt to stir up some attention for yourself.

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  612. @JFK

    Not really considering you and others have posted comments proving what he is saying. Sad part is you will never let it click that you have.

    Guilt has different meanings and can be displayed in different ways. When you feel guilt for something you may try to avoid speaking about it or twist it to suit your idea so you feel better about it. There have even been studies that highlight a lot of what he saying. Aside from what is said in this post, the internet has been a breeding ground for people showing their true colors.

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  613. The funny thing to me is people like neuterable always bring up what Hispanics and Asians think. When in reality Hispanics and Asians are tired of whiteness too. Probably secretly hating on them for accomplishing what he can’t. Heck even some whites are getting tired of those poor low iq neuterables’ of the the world, whose only accomplishment is being white. Harboring some bitterness and anger at the many accomplishments of black scholars and such. smh

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  614. “…even some whites are getting tired of those poor low iq neuterables’ of the the world…”

    @ Sharina

    The problem with neuterable is that there are still MILLIONS of people like him/her who think and believe like this, and if given the opportunity…

    .

    neuterable said:
    “…. at this point anybody that kills one of you, is doing the right thing.”

    When the tougher times arrive we’d better not be found employed/with money, OR, with a car and food in your home while they’re unemployed, living in their cars/tents and their children are going hungry.

    The law of Zero Sum gains will come to ravish THEM.. and kill us!
    Its happened before. It will happen again!

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  615. @Sharina

    “…even some whites are getting tired of those poor low iq neuterables’ of the the world, whose only accomplishment is being white.”

    So. Very. True.

    That is one reason drive by White Supremacists come to sites like this to vent. Their own rich White cousins are ready to kick them to the curb.

    Wealthy Whites are disinvesting in jobs, education, healthcare and housing for their poor White cousins. The pace of White disinvestment is slower than Black disinvestment, but it is still happening.

    Moderate and low income Whites are hanging on by their fingernails. In a generation, many of their children will be scraping for a living or illegally emigrating to wealthier countries looking for work—if they are lucky.

    The unlucky ones will join that vast river of slaves that are trafficked all over the globe for sex and menial labor. Not a pleasant thought.

    What the “poor low iq neuterables’ of the the world” don’t seem to realize is that them and their children would have a much better life if they would join forces with Black, Latino, Asian, Arab and Native people. Working together, we could remake this country into something that serves all of the people instead of just a few at the top.

    Everyone in this country could benefit from:

    ➣high quality public education, including tuition-free university

    ➣universal healthcare/low cost prescription drugs and devices

    ➣plentiful, high standard housing with low or no interest loans

    ➣universal low cost high speed internet service in urban and rural areas

    ➣rebuilt roads, bridges and high speed rail systems

    ➣rebuilt water systems

    ➣expanded Social Security

    Wealthy Whites don’t care if their poorer cousins attack other people… there is nothing more effective than misdirected rage in keeping them safe from their own shafted kinfolk.

    One day in the near future, being White will not be enough.

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  616. Your thought process is clearly off track.

    Liquor does that to you.

    It has nothing to do with guilt. White people walking around today will not take blame for slavery because it is not their fault. They will never even give that a serious second look.

    I always knew you whites were sociopathic! Thanks for clarifying this.

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  617. Is it a full moon or something? The loons seem to be coming out of the wood works! Yeah baby!

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  618. @Brothawolf @Solitaire @Mary Burrell

    I changed my username.. (Sophiamueller4)

    Im so shocked by this @neuterable There is some real evil in the world! ISIS may have competition from this guy. Im disgusted.

    because of people like him, I see why the writer took time to express these feelings, especially if this writer has sadly only ever known people like him.

    he is wrong. of course we all already know that.

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  619. @Herneith

    “Liquor does that to you.”

    LMAO!

    You never fail to lighten things up with a few bubbles of sweet, fermented sarcasm. Thanks!

    Love it.

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  620. @ mrssmartinez

    Do you understand why Herneith and Afrofem responded to you the way they did?

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  621. @Soltaire:

    You have to be sober at this time of the day in order to understand anything much less the question you are posing. I heartily commend those who have the patience to deal with these miscreants and try to seriously address their lunacy. I realize other people are reading this so in that regards a response is needed. I, however, do not have the capacity or patience to do this. Kudos to those who do!

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  622. @ Herneith

    Too many people are drunk on white privilege 24/7, alack!

    I for one admire your zany wit. You turn your impatience into gems of comedy.

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  623. Why do whites demonize blacks; all too many whites have serious issues with black sexuality, black physical/athletic prowess and strength. White men to this day can’t even deal with ‘his’ own women being equal to him. Save for technology not a whole lot going for them. Another problem is that so-called ‘successful’ blacks and Asians idolize whites and have sexual issues of their own. We’re all people in my book. All blood is red and we all got to die.

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  624. @Fred

    Why do you think Whites have issues with the bodies of Black people, including an obsession with the way they believe Black people express their sexuality?

    It seems to be a curious obsession. One that Whites do not project upon other ethnic/racial groups.

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  625. Listen, all we know is that racism is derived from fear, the sense of superiority, and pure hatred that’s being taught from those who still hate blacks. But let’s be honest here, we can all sit here and talk about why, but what is that really going to change? No matter how many civil rights acts came and gone, no matter if us blacks decided to come together to make things better for everyone, there are some whites that will still hate our guts. Hatred towards blacks is just illogical thinking that was and is currently being taught to young whites by their racist parents. We are not the type to tell them what or what not they can teach those children though as it’s those children’s choices as to whether or not to go along with those and blacks are not the type to interfere with the lives of others. Despite this, I can literally say that in this modern era, not all whites are in the wrong as there are even inter-racial couples and families all over America, proving that many whites have hearts for blacks.

    So where does the racism lie? The only problem of racism lies in those families teaching their children that whites are a higher power, blacks fear of white organizations such as the KKK, who are inferior to even whites nowadays, and how the government handle racist situations. Only the racist whites believe that they are superior even after equal rights came into play, but like I said before, there’s nothing blacks can do to change anything. Blacks live in fear as racist whites have the power to even legally kill them off as if they were animals even when we are all humans, causing us not to be involved in things that can ensure our success. Most people can’t sit still imagining the KKK hunting you down because you’re a rich black man that is also influential in America, a land that wouldn’t have been the way it is today without the blacks.

    Why do blacks commit the crimes that causes fear within’ whites even to this day?
    That’s simple. The government is the only thing ensuring that the African American race remains nothing more than unequal minority. We are sometimes unfairly accused of crimes we didn’t commit by public police (even black driving cars can be an excuse for a cop to pull him over and if no one’s looking, that black is as good as arrested and thrown in jail as the cop can easily make accusations and who’s there to believe the black? no one at all). Then the chain reaction happens. Due to the high rate of blacks being thrown in jail because of their hatred for the unfair justice system, there is massive fear placed into those white job owners that were taught as children that they were superior to any and all blacks, causing even innocent blacks to have difficult times finding decent jobs. Blacks struggle to survive in this country for that very reason and if they have a family, they will do anything to ensure that family is sheltered and clothed. This causes black to commit crimes to make money that they can’t get because the system makes it harder for them to get jobs. Those blacks are either killed or put in jail and it always makes the news, which causes more fear of blacks to spread, limiting even more blacks from getting jobs and repeats the entire process. Not matter how many whites side with us blacks, no matter how many arguments we all explain to anyone in this country, racism will always exist until there is no other race left for the racist ones to go against, but each other as the same race.

    How can we stop racism?
    By getting rid of race pity months like black history, which teaches the white and black youth that racism even existed. Black think that celebrating black history month is a good thing? It just reminds them of the tough times their ancestors went through, making it harder for them to forgive whites, even the ones that want things to be different. In my all-black school, I understood how difficult it was for some of our few white teachers to explain the concept of black history when young blacks are simply a white canvas ready to be painted any color. And when young blacks find out about the hardships their people had to go through before, the canvas can be painted black, but not as a color of race, but a color that is a negative to white, creating negativity towards whites. Another way is for whites to finally accept and be more open to blacks. Watching my old white friends move away because their parents didn’t want to live near black, literally crushed me. Where did blacks go wrong? Nowhere. That’s simply the narcissism causing my friends’ parent to think that being near blacks would be a bad thing and for absolutely no reason at all. So for the racist whites in general, their problem is illogical thinking and that needs to change as well if blacks and whites are ever to get along.

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  626. I am an 18 year old black and I believe that whites and black have the capacity to get along if the government allowed so. I have no reason to hate whites for the past I didn’t live, but racism is something I can’t accept as a part of the race that helped make this country as fun to live in as it is today. You say this else where, all you’ hear is “send him back to Africa” (Where I didn’t come from as I was born in America -.-” so how can I be sent “back”?) and “he’s black. his opinion doesn’t count here” (When I am just as or even more logical that the person that said that). Black are under estimated and considered a threat when we mean absolutely no harm to anyone. We do what we must to survive (speaking for the blacks trying their best not to be on the sides of the streets in this harsh world) Hopefully you all Understand where I’m coming from. It’s not the fault of most blacks and whites, it’s the fault of those foolish beings living in the past.

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  627. So please, spread my paragraph as far as you can get it. Many people need to hear this. Everyone does.

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  628. @Aura Wolf

    Your comment does a pretty mediocre job of digital blackface.

    If you were really a person of African descent, you would not spout such silliness as “race pity months” or “it’s the fault of those foolish beings living in the past.”

    Really!

    Go back to your racist subreddit and say these things to people just as clueless as you.

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  629. “Blacks live in fear as racist whites have the power to even legally kill them off as if they were animals even when we are all humans, causing us not to be involved in things that can ensure our success. Most people can’t sit still imagining the KKK hunting you down because you’re a rich black man that is also influential in America, a land that wouldn’t have been the way it is today without the blacks.

    @Afrofem

    I’m with you Afrofem! This comment reeks of nonsense and falsehoods.
    I’m not believing it was posted by a Black person either.

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  630. @ Fan

    Funny how they think they can sneak past people who live Black reality everyday. LOL!

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  631. Black commit most of the crime. Good people don’t like criminals.

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  632. @fatterbastard

    “Good people don’t like criminals.”

    How do you feel when you look in the mirror knowing you are standing on land stolen from Native Americans? People who benefit from crime are also criminals.