Disclaimer: I know there are some truly kind and concerned white people, but this post is about the many, not the few.
The “Go back to Africa” argument says that if black people do not like it in America, they should go back to Africa. Mostly it is not an argument about Africa but about the kindness of white people. It makes the point that White Americans have been nicer to black people than anyone else in the world, even nicer than black Africans would be.
Pat Buchanan loves this argument and makes it more directly. Here he is in 2008:
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
Where to begin?
First, it assumes that blacks are richer in America because White Americans have been kinder to them than Africans would be. Wrong: blacks are richer in America because America is richer.
The pie is so big in America that even when it is divided unjustly, as it is, it still leaves most people with more pie than any ordinary person would get in the Third World. Which is why people from the Third World come to America: poverty is worse than racism. But that does not excuse racism.
The argument also overlooks how Africa got to be so poor and screwed up. It turns a blind eye to the effect of the Atlantic slave trade on Africa and the effect of white rule, both direct (colonial empires) and indirect (banana republics).
And like the Arab trader argument it makes whites look good by comparing them to someone else.
But the worst thing about this argument is that it is such a huge lie.
Whites pretty much let blacks twist in the wind, like we saw on television right after Katrina. Blacks are like unwanted stepchildren in America. Whatever blacks have achieved has been in spite of whites for the most part. Most whites were quite fine with Jim Crow, if you remember. And even now most seem to be quite fine with failing black schools, black ghettos and high rates of black unemployment and crime (so long as it is not in their neighbourhood). Thus the kindness of white people.
And just so you know how morally broken this argument is, it goes back to slave days. Here is Robert E. Lee in 1856:
The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.
Spoken like a true white person: it is not so bad and, besides, it is not our fault.
See also:
Abagond 
Thank you Abagond. Yet again you’ve provided a very clarifying portrait of another realm of the collective white psyche. I hadn’t thought about the connections between this common white reaction to black charges of racism and the common white belief in the fundamentally benign kindness of whiteness. Very true, that.
This post reminded me of a conversation I once had with a white woman whose ancestors owned an antebellum plantation. She said that she hates the bad rep her ancestors got, for being so cruel and all. She sincerely believed that much to the contrary, those who were enslaved by her ancestors were entirely happy slaves. She ended her filial defense with this claim:
“And you know something? When the war was over and our slaves were released, most of them wandered around for awhile, hopelessly lost and aimless. And then soon enough, you know what they did? They turned around and came RIGHT BACK HOME.”
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600,000 wasn’t it more like 12 million?
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bought to the new world including latin america
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http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2006/february/africanslaves.htm
i remember my professor who is white saying its estimated about 12 million people were brought from africa to the new world, including s.america, central,n.america all along the coast of the americas, the islands
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i hate the go back to africa comment ,my response is i would like to go back to africa, but first im going to need about 250 years worth of reparation to be paid in full, then i’ll go back
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What they neglect to say with this retort, is that without slave labour, they wouldn’t even be here to make this statement! After being present on this continent for 400 years, most of which was through forced labour, why should blacks go back? We have just as much of a stake in this continent as any other group. Bring up the supposed living conditions pre-slavery in Africa(based upon accounts of white slavers not the slaves), colonialism in Africa(Apparently a Utopia according to the white colonialist), post-colonialism(According to whites, it went to ‘hell’), slavery in the US(the whites freed the slaves you ungrateful Negroes!), post slavery(you are the best treated blacks In the world!), and so on and so on, is used to shut down any talk of of racism in North America. If this doesn’t work they will invoke the Arab Slave Traders argument. . If that fails “Go back to Africa!”, as a last resort.
They have failed to grasp whatever was being discussed to begin with! By the way, I have had foreign -born whites who could barely string together a sentence in English shout this at me. This perception hasn’t changed much since Robert E. Lee’s day.
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Very insightful and spot on. Whenever I here that I just reply “Go back to Europe”. If you are not Native American, you didn’t originate from these lands.
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I’ve come to the conclusion that those kinds of people don’t want to see Black people have anything and get anywhere, some actually don’t want to see Black people alive, we should shut up and leave well enough alone apparently. They quickly forget how America got its start, and how it gained, distributed and maintains its wealth. Slavery, Jim Crow, Trail of Tears, Black cannon fodder, Black, Red, Yellow, Brown lives lost building that railroad, Sundown towns, outlawing of cultures, human medical experiments, anti- Chinese groups, Sweatshops, colored soldiers (who you never hear about) who thought they’d change things by fighting in Uncle Sam’s wars only to change nothing, I could go on.
Today a lot of people want you to believe what isn’t, that America is one big Benetton ad (sans Black women that is). The whip snapping, anti-Civil Rights, foaming at the mouth America has just gone underground. We saw a tip of it during the election and you see it again now they’re turning the illegal immigration thing into some kind of “Brown problem”. No real attempt made to see pass their own noses, its disgusting.
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GO BACK TO AFRICA NIGGERS!! white people LOVE saying that. LOL!!
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Hello from Russia!
Can I quote a post in your blog with the link to you?
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whites refuse to assert any kind of positive racial identity and have allowed radical multiculturalists like the people on this blog to define them. No Gen, America wasn’t only built on slavery. And many whites ethnics have contributed and been discriminated against. America’s history of violence and discrimination isn’t any different than most countries.
People tell you to go back to Africa not because they don’t want you here, but because you’re a hypocrite and cry baby. If you think America is so bad, why do you live here? Why would you want to live in an evil, racist country?
You want portray the Western slave trade as a key mark of whites’ unique evil. You can only do this by whitewashing Islamic slavery. But another point needs to be made as well: whites are responsible for the abolition of slavery around the world. The Enlightenment doctrine of inalienable human rights convinced whites that they were morally obligated to eradicate slavery, and they have pursued this goal with remarkable dedication for the past two centuries.
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Polprav: Yes so long as you link back to the original.
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“Most whites were quite fine with Jim Crow, if you remember.” If that is so, how come we don’t have Jim Crow anymore. “And even now most seem to be quite fine with failing black schools, black ghettos and high rates of black unemployment and crime (so long as it is not in their neighbourhood). Thus the kindness of white people.” Why should it be white people’s problem to fix the high rate of black crime, unemployment? If the shoe was on the other hand, would blacks help us? All of black people’s problems are self-inflictated.
That’s the great thing about being black, you don’t have to take responsibilty for being a loser….it’s just those evil white folks fault. But the more critical point missed by abagond is that both sides of this debate are so entrenched in their positions (the battle of “quit being a victim” versus “quit being a hypocritical apologist”) that nobody seems to see that both sides can co-exist.
The fact that many “urban schools” (code for “predominantly black schools”) do not have dollar-for-dollar equality with some “suburban schools” (code for “mostly white, and sometimes with high-achieving Asians or other minorities”) does not contradict the fact that in many states, some urban schools with MORE dollars per capita than suburban schools still do worse in every measure of educational achievement.
In Abagonds world, every black man who would suggest taking self-responsibility over the things one CAN control, is simply a pawn of the evil white overlord who stands in purposeful oppression of black self-awareness.Abagond is a divisive separatist who seeks to promote the ‘us against them’ mantra that continues to wall us off from one another; from communication; from healing. he carries a great talent for distributing blame.
Fewer and fewer teens (of both races) have jobs after school or on weekends. I taught in Harlem for two years, and had a stack of job applications in my desk, but none of my students got jobs. They’d fill out the application and never turn it in. Dr. Rudy Crew (former NYC schools chancellor) told me it’s the “bling-bling” culture of today; kids can’t see the connection between having beautifull things and paying for them. When it comes to teen pregnancy, they can’t see the connection with having a child and having to take care of it.
Whites are not without social ills. Instead of trying to be the star student or basketball player, white girls want to be Paris Hilton. Women are making huge accomplishements today in sports, politics, NASA, and even boxing, yet girls would rather emulate a stupid rich bimbo.
I saw the same problems in schools with black AND white kids. Your child won’t be a sucess unless you shut off the damn TV, pull the iPods out of their ears, and say “YOU WANT THESE THINGS, YOU”LL WORK FOR THEM!!!!”
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If you think America is so bad, why do you live here? Why would you want to live in an evil, racist country?
Why should we? We have for the most part, been on this continent for 400 years, and therefore have a stake in it. We don’t have to ‘go back’.
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Lol Abagond, how do I even post links here because I think Jane needs to read the posts about derailing and using the “Arab Slave Trader” argument.
Ok, Jane, I’ll bite. Where did you see me type that America was built only on slavery? Have nothing to say about what happened to the Native People, Asians, Latinos? The reality is that these “White ethnics” you speak of mostly came by choice and are now well assimilated and enjoy White privilege, that is your racial identity so the first line of your response doesn’t even make sense. And I really don’t feel like bothering with the rest of your response as it’s just ridiculous.
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Herneith, I didn’t say you had to go back. But since you hate America so much, why would you want to live in a nation that you feel is so evil and racist? The fact is that you’re a hypocrite. As much anti-American BS you spew, I bet you wouldn’t leave this country for all the money in the world.
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Jane, does Herneith rail against America, or against white racism? Seems to me it’s the latter, and if it is, your claim that Herneith “hates America so much” doesn’t make any sense.
Are you assuming (as white people so often do), that the “real Americans” are “white people”?
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By the way,
Going back to back AFRICA it’s like going to HELL
Actually many black and non black folks are going to live in Africa.
Looking for better quality of life and opportunities ( that not only happens in western world, LOL!)
I have been in Cape verde , Cameroon, Nigeria, South Africa and Ivory Coast, recently and found the population of non black and black(non African) quite important and quite rich and HAPPY TO LIVE THERE like many Africans DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and for those who doesn’t know (apparently a lot do in America so in this blog), in some African countries you can find plenty Africans who are richer than some black Americans.
But of course you have to travel a bit to believe that and don’t think America is the World!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thank you so much Nubiahbelle,
You took the words out of my words.
Also, black Americans are the epitome of American, in my eyes. This country wouldn’t be what it currently is if people of African descent never graced this land. Anyone who doesn’t know that is too ignorant for words.
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LOL! Myname,
That’s Nubiahbella also formely known as Nubiah!!!!!!! LOL!
and I meant “Going back to Africa it is not like going to HELL”,
Also I want to add, I still don’t understand the Go back in Africa?
I mean are we (the rest of the world) the only ones to see BLACK AMERICANS AS TRULY AMERICAN?
Do we ask the french descents in Canada to go back in France? etc….
and off topic,
Black American and Black African etc.. are not interchangeable,
We share the skin colour but we have 2 different identities, so do Black latinas etc….
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Jane, me and you think alike.
Hang in there, it’s not always easy on an anti-white website….
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Muscular Maximus, Should that really be “Anti-white,” or “anti-white-supremacist”?
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Anti-White & Anti-White supremacist.
Doesn’t matter, it’s all the same in the end.
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Muscular, Vain Maximus,
By my understanding of this web site, you’re absolutely wrong about that. To be against the abuses wrought by ongoing, de facto white supremacy is not to be automatically against white people themselves.
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You have your opinion.
I have mine.
Anything against “white” in any manner is racist.
Just as if I we’re to say..”I hate ghett0 blacks. I hate the fact that they have crime ridden neighborhoods. Such violence. Such disconnect.
So, if I was against ghett0 blacks, I would be seen as in hating them all. Since people don’t like that term anyways….it’s an automatic labeling of a racist/bigot that I am.
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Muscular, Vain, Uninformed Maximus,
This isn’t just a matter of opinion; facts in this matter are indeed observable by all, should they be willing to open their eyes.
Anything against “white” in any manner is racist.
In the U.S., it is factually observable that white people enslaved black people. Many whites have also discriminated against blacks afterward in countless ways, ways that continue to negatively affect and impede many black lives. To write against those ongoing effects is not the same as you saying (hypothetically?) “I hate ghetto blacks.”
As I read this web site, it’s not a place where most readers on the other side of the table from such readers as you and Jane are simply writing “I hate whites.”
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“it is factually observable that white people enslaved black people.”
Why are we living in 1860?
“Many whites have also discriminated against blacks afterward in countless ways, ways that continue to negatively affect and impede many black lives.”
And blacks aren’t guilty in any sense of this at all? That all blacks are just dandy and love all whites whilst continuing to blame their shortcomings upon whites?
Look. The slavery issue is a done deal. It happened 150 years ago. Not I, or you or anyone else in this world was personally involved with slavery. I so happen to be called out because I am white.
Let me ask you.
If I change my avatar to a black man, will I still receive blame? Would I still receive blame if I posed as a black man to begin with? Of course not. Because whites can’t possibly dare judge or deem blacks as racist as well.
Wait, that’s impossible! I forgot, “the whites made us do it”. “It’s all the whites fault for the way we are”. “Whites have all the power & privilege, we can’t possibly be racist”.
As if only whites are the oppressors. As if the fact some blacks are just too d@mn lazy to do something about it. But no, they want all their problems pushed on whites. That’s the easy way out….blame whites.
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Muscular, Vain, Uninformed, Unreasonably Bitter Maximus,
“it is factually observable that white people enslaved black people.”
Why are we living in 1860?
We’re not. I was responding to your fallacious claim that Anything against “white” in any manner is racist. White people enslaved black people, and they justified doing so with a claim that white people are superior to black people. Being against “white” by pointing that out is not racist. Nor, again, is pointing out the ongoing abuse of many black people by racist white individuals and racist, white-supremacist institutions.
“Many whites have also discriminated against blacks afterward in countless ways, ways that continue to negatively affect and impede many black lives.”
And blacks aren’t guilty in any sense of this at all? That all blacks are just dandy and love all whites whilst continuing to blame their shortcomings upon whites?
Not in any significant sense, significant in that if significantly affects that collective that we still call “white people.” As I wrote above, the U.S. remains a de facto white supremacist society (an observable fact that you seem yet to have observed). Most blacks I know don’t blame their “shortcomings,” whatever that means, on whites — they blame racist institutions, systems, and ideology for repeatedly impeding black lives. That said, that doesn’t mean that they blame “all,” or even most, of their problems on those white-supremacist realities.
If I change my avatar to a black man, will I still receive blame? Would I still receive blame if I posed as a black man to begin with?
If you said the same uninformed, unreasonably bitter things that you’ve said so far, yes, I think you still would.
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“White people enslaved black people,***(and black people sold their own)*** and they justified doing so with a claim that white people are superior to black people.
Fixed that for ya.
“Nor, again, is pointing out the ongoing abuse of many black people by racist white individuals and racist, white-supremacist institutions.”
I concede this happens. But, you can’t say blacks don’t so the same upon hatred for whites. Everyone gets discriminated. Whites against whites, blacks/blacks, Hispanic/Hispanic, Black/White, White/Black etc. etc.
Why must it always be the “white fault”? Why don’t we hear how black people are trying to improve their neighborhoods? Why they can’t get rid of that completely disastrous and horrid music called (c)rap? Toten guns, slangin’ rocks, bustin’ a cap in yo azz, raping women, degrading women etc. Kids hear that garbage and pick up on it. It seems to affect the black community the most.
Many aspects can be improved on both sides of the ball. Complaining about it gets us nowhere. I honestly think things will never change. Some people have that hope, I tend to digress.
I believe this country is forever doomed for racial ambiguity. Thus the debate continues. The hate continues to swell.
This doesn’t help.
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Why must it always be the “white fault”? Why don’t we hear how black people are trying to improve their neighborhoods? Why they can’t get rid of that completely disastrous and horrid music called (c)rap? Toten guns, slangin’ rocks, bustin’ a cap in yo azz, raping women, degrading women etc. Kids hear that garbage and pick up on it. It seems to affect the black community the most.
The largest consumer group of rap is young, suburban, white males.
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Muscular, Vain, Uninformed, Unreasonably Bitter, Cynical Maximus,
“White people enslaved black people,***(and black people sold their own)*** and they justified doing so with a claim that white people are superior to black people.
Fixed that for ya.
Fixed what? All you’ve done by deploying The Arab Trader Argument is divert attention (unsuccessfully) from the fact that I refuted your claim that any anti-white statement is racist. As for the new point you’ve raised — black people sold their own — so what? That doesn’t mean that, again, it wasn’t racist for white people to enslave black people under the guise of a supposed white superiority.
But, you can’t say blacks don’t so the same upon hatred for whites. Everyone gets discriminated. Whites against whites, blacks/blacks, Hispanic/Hispanic, Black/White, White/Black etc. etc.
Sure, but as I said above, and as you’ve now conceded, discrimination against blacks and other groups at the large, vastly injurious hands of various institutional modes of white supremacy does occur, and it’s a far, far greater impediment to non-white lives than the occasional modes of discrimination faced by whites at the hands (and, significantly, not the institutions) of non-white people.
Why must it always be the “white fault”?
Why are you so sure that black people don’t discuss and fix problems on their own within their own homes and communities, problems that they don’t consider “the white fault”?
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“The largest consumer group of rap is young, suburban, white males.”
Yes maybe so. But, I don’t see the bloodshed rampant throughout neighborhoods as in the black community. In the ghett0’s, this is well proven.
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macon:
I concede this argument. It is going nowhere and I stand by my statements and my beliefs.
Tally up a victory for yourself. You just won one over the white man.
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Maximus,
Why do you read here?
I’m not being sarcastic; I’m 100% interested in your answer, because I don’t understand why someone would spend so much time with people they seem to have a great deal of disdain for, on the Internet no less.
This goes back in part to a comment I left in another thread last week or so, when I said that I’m confused as to why people intentionally seek out things they don’t like. This blog isn’t well-known (in the general sense), it’s not on TV, not written by someone famous, etc., so you (the general you) have to go looking for it to find it. Certainly there are countless blogs that say the exact opposite of what this one says–the Internet is big enough that you can find someone who will agree with you on even the most obscure topics.
Bottom line: What do you get out of this blog?
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Do you “really” want me to answer your question?
In all of it’s entirety and honesty?
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Yes, I do, though maybe I should have asked why you “participate” instead.
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I might respond later.
I’m not really in the mood to right now.
I’m just p!ssed. Not because of this blog, but because of personal reasons.
I’m having a bad day. So what. Guys have them to.
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@Jane:
First of all Jane, I am a Black Canadian of seven generations. My family has been in Canada since 1812. White racism is not the sole domain of America. I am not going anywhere. As for criticizing white supremacy, that is my right. I am not going to be a good ‘Negress’ and turn a blind eye as to what is going on around me. Have you ever heard the phrase ‘”hate the sin but not the sinner’? Well, that is how I view this. I belong in Canada just as much as any white Canadian.
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One of my best buddies is in the hospital in bad condition from a car accident.
I am completely stressed out.
I am going to go to the hospital later to hopefully see him.
Just thought I would share that.
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“First of all Jane, I am a Black Canadian of seven generations. My family has been in Canada since 1812. White racism is not the sole domain of America. I am not going anywhere. As for criticizing white supremacy, that is my right. I am not going to be a good ‘Negress’ and turn a blind eye as to what is going on around me. Have you ever heard the phrase ‘”hate the sin but not the sinner’? Well, that is how I view this. I belong in Canada just as much as any white Canadian.”
That’s right! You tell her, Herneith!
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Share that with me (in response to my question)? Or just with OP in general?
If you were talking to me, I’m still confused, because you are always hostile, so that seems like more than just a bad day. On the other note, this certainly doesn’t seem to be a stress-free place for you….do you combat stress with stress?
I don’t understand how having a stressful situation/having a bad day going on excuses rudeness and uncouth behavior, given that you aren’t a 5-year-old…does posting here make you feel better?
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Hmm. Methinks Maximus and Jane would be an ideal couple perhaps? LOL
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Pitiful.
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For starters, “ones” should not have an apostrophe because it’s not a possessive, but I’m sure that manual can help you out. 🙂
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Oh man I just get a kick out of seeing his shirt rip, his snout grow, and the matted fur fill in lol.
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Oh my days Jasmin watch how this Maximus guys is trying to avoid your question you asked a perfectly reasonable question of “Why do you post here?” and he is giving you everything but the awnser he has taking derailing to a whole new place I never got that these people who supposedly hate black people spend all their time on the internet searching through blogs and videos and all that just to say they hate black people I will never get it some people need to get a life really it sounds very obsessive…
in the words of Mariah Carey “so why you so obessed with us?” LOL
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Bullcrap.
Over the ages, white societies have evolved the most humanistic, inclusive and pluralistic societies ever devised by man.
Affirmative action, housing subsidies, massive third-world immigration- human rights comissions, hate-speech laws, diversity dogma in universities; you name it, white society provides them all. Hurricane Katrina was a disaster; but in all fairness, you can’t mention Katrina without the list above. It’s quite obvious that whites don’t let blacks “twist in the wind”.
There isn’t a single non-white society that provides even a fraction of these things for their racial minorities.
It is also no secret to many that all people’s of this world are racist. Racism is practiced all over the world; it’s not, and never has been, exclusively a white thing.
This is why it is important to visit places like China and India, south America and yes, Africa, because of the complete lack of people there who give a sh*t about any racial grievance or sensitivity that you may have. It is only in white society where you can complain to the government and receive copious amounts government assistance and legislation in response to a your complaints. Nowadays, whites are the LEAST racist people of the world and white society is the most friendly to minority races.
Don’t bother responding with “whites are so racist” it means nothing to me because I am fully aware of how racist the rest of the world is. Everyone is racist. Especially you guys.
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Rycher wrote,
It is also no secret to many that all people’s of this world are racist. Racism is practiced all over the world; it’s not, and never has been, exclusively a white thing.
Who here said it was exclusively a white thing? And why do you think it’s important to point out, like a child in a schoolyard who’s been caught doing something wrong, “Well, they do it too!” Does pointing out other instances of racism make white American racism okay? (Answer: no, it doesn’t.)
You should stop undermining your own position with the simplistic Arab Trader Argument. Here, go read this, so you can come back and be taken more seriously:
The Arab Trader Argument
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@macon:
Macon, this Rycher has already commented on the Arab Trader Argument post. He has provided a longer post here, the other was more brief.
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abagond, ABAGOND WHERE ARE YOU?
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Peanut:
The 600,000 figure that Buchanan uses is just those who came directly to the United States.
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Macon D at comment #1:
Interesting. I do not take the “fundamentally benign kindness of whiteness” as a given, but I suppose many whites do, like you say.
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i see the bloodshed you white people do everytime i watch SNAPPED, FORENSIC FILES, COLD CASE FILES, DATLINE, 48 HOURS damn i could go on and on.
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Abagond wrote,
I do not take the “fundamentally benign kindness of whiteness” as a given, but I suppose many whites do, like you say.
Right, that you don’t is obvious, and I hope I didn’t imply that I think you do.
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Jane said:
“That’s the great thing about being black, you don’t have to take responsibilty for being a loser….”
And the great thing about being white is that you almost never have to take responsibility for being a racist jerk.
Sorry, but that had to be said.
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Jane:
This post is part of a series about the ways white people avoid the charge of racism. Your comments have examples of some of them that I already covered. Start here:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/how-to-argue-like-a-white-racist/
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Just so you know, Rycher is the one who inspired me to write this post.
Sadly, it seems to have gone right over his head: he is still arguing that “we treat our darkies better than anyone”.
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I offer the comparison to India, China, etc for some much needed perspective. If one focuses too much on blogging how many black people are on sitcoms or how many minorities are on the latest Calvin Klein billboard, one soon forgets to blog about the real injustices in the world, such as the atrocities being comitted in Sudan by the racist arab janjaweed militias on blacks.
Some food for thought: in Arabic, why is the same word (abid) used for both black and slave? Definitely some good reading.
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Rycher said:
“If one focuses too much on blogging how many black people are on sitcoms […] one soon forgets to blog about the real injustices in the world, such as the atrocities being comitted in Sudan by the racist arab janjaweed militias on blacks.”
I am fully capable of blogging on both:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/the-blackness-of-american-television/
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2007/03/30/darfur/
You have to sink that low – to compare America to Darfur to make it seem good? That is pretty sad. That is your “perspective”? That black Americans should count their blessings that at least they are still alive?
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Jane said:
“And even now most seem to be quite fine with failing black schools, black ghettos and high rates of black unemployment and crime (so long as it is not in their neighbourhood). Thus the kindness of white people.” Why should it be white people’s problem to fix the high rate of black crime, unemployment?
What about because they are Americans? Your fellow countrymen? Or is America only for white people? Or do only white people count, like back in slave times?
You are arguing out of both sides of your mouth: First you call Herneith a hypocrite for not seeing how kind whites are to blacks but when I point out that they have been less than kind, you ask why should they be kind? Which is not how kindness talks.
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I have never been to Africa but I suspect it is better than most Americans imagine simply because all we hear about Africa in the States is the bad news: plague, famine and war – Aids, hungry children, boy soldiers, etc. The continent could not support a billion people if that was all that was going on.
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Abagond: “You have to sink that low – to compare America to Darfur to make it seem good? That is pretty sad. That is your “perspective”? That black Americans should count their blessings that at least they are still alive?”
No. I am raising the issue of Darfur to contrast it against your regular blog topics which focus on things that seem quite trivial relative to the horror of Darfur and given the many concessions that whites provide to minorities.
If whites were as bad as this blog makes them out to be, millions and millions of non-whites would not be flocking to white nations. If whites were so evil and racist, they would simply apply a Japanese style immigration system, which wouldn’t allow anyone to become a full blown citizen except whites.
I noticed you posted two links in response to my previous post: the sitcom post and the darfur post. I noticed something interesting: **why did your sitcom post contain 38 comments, while your Darfur post currently shows ZERO comments?** Perhaps this is a little telling of your readership? Perhaps the topic is a little too inconvenient given the popular white-bashing that is so required on this blog?
It seems as if trivial matters of race in white society are more abhorrent to people here then serious issues of race in non-white society. The average topic on this blog seems to confirm this.
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I wrote that post on Darfur two years ago back when I had hardly any readers. A fairer comparison would be the one I wrote last June about the genocide in South Sudan:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/06/13/the-genocide-in-southern-sudan/
That got six comments. That is half of the mean for this blog (11 comments per post), which for a post on foreign news is not bad.
Years ago I was telling my girlfriend about South Sudan. This was while the genocide was in progress (but getting little Western press). She gave me a strange look like I was ranting (probably I was). Then she said, “Why do you care about what goes on there? What difference does it make to YOU?” I think that is the approach most people in North America take to foreign news.
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Rycher said:
“… concessions that whites provide to minorities”
Justice is now a favour?
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Rycher said:
“If whites were as bad as this blog makes them out to be, millions and millions of non-whites would not be flocking to white nations.”
People come to white countries not because white people are so loving and kind and fair and just and wonderful and tra-la-la but because work there pays way better.
Poverty is a worse evil than racism. It especially seems that way when you have experienced poverty but have yet to experience racism.
But just because poverty is worse than racism that does not make racism a “trivial” concern.
“If whites were so evil and racist, they would simply apply a Japanese style immigration system, which wouldn’t allow anyone to become a full blown citizen except whites.”
Please. White countries let in people of colour to screw them because they can get away with underpaying them.
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@abagond:
I have never been to Africa but I suspect it is better than most Americans imagine simply because all we hear about Africa in the States is the bad news: plague, famine and war – Aids, hungry children, boy soldiers, etc. The continent could not support a billion people if that was all that was going on.
If it doesn’t sell newspapers then the Western press will not report on it, at least as a major news event. Look at Rwanda. It wasn’t until hundreds of thousands of people were slaughtered that it started to become ‘front page’ news. The same with Darfur. Any African country that is functional and successful in governance or stability, you don’t hear about them. In most cases. You have to seek out information yourself via personal contacts and the media(African media etc). The internet is a wonderful thing!
http://www.abyznewslinks.com/afric.htm
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You’re so very very wrong. Consider this one (of many) example:
Denise Milani, a black woman in the UK was given the following “job”. She was appointed as the “Head of the Metropolitan Police’s Diversity and Citizen Focus Directorate, and she is given 75,000 pounds annually. Thats roughly $122,250 USD.
Not too shabby eh? Don’t forget all the fancy benefits that come with these types of “jobs”. And I’m sure that whatever she does to fill 8 hours a day probably isn’t very hard. In fact, she probably does mostly nothing except push a few papers and ramble about “social justice”. But she makes quite a bit more than a general physician would in my city :).
((Despite the fact that she’s living the good life, her son has still been brought up on charges of sexually assaulting women on commuter trains. But thats another story.))
Look around white society; there are thousands of Denise Milani’s living the good life because white society is more benevolent and more welcoming than any previous society has ever been. So when you say that whites just let in non-whites so they can “screw” them, consider the Denise Milanis and realize just how absurd your statement really is.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221176/Yard-diversity-chief-s-son-faces-trial-sex-attacks-Tube-26-year-old-court-offences-commuter-trains.html#ixzz0URphKj04
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221176/Yard-diversity-chief-s-son-faces-trial-sex-attacks-Tube-26-year-old-court-offences-commuter-trains.html
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So Denise Milani is anecdotal evidence of what? That most black people in Britain are overpaid and underworked compared to white people? I find that hard to believe. Are their government numbers to back up this claim?
And just what is the point of bringing up her son? I do not understand that unless you assume that black people are GUILTY TILL PROVEN INNOCENT!
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@Abagond…
You might like to know that:
– Patricia Hewitt who was ‘given’ the role of health secretary.. son was recently charged with Possession of Cocaine: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214948/Patricia-Hewitts-son-charged-cocaine-possession.html
Ken MacDonald who was ‘given’ the job of Director of Public Prosecution (where of course he only has to ‘push paper’) had drugs convictions http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/new-head-of-cps-has-drugs-and-speeding-convictions-535861.html
Jeffery Archer a multimillionaire author was given a peerage – where quite frankly you do bugger all and don’t even have to go to the house to vote (only on exceptions) and he commited fraud and perjury whilst a serving member of the house: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1447880.stm
(His wife to was investigated)
Jonathan Aitken: who was ‘given’ a seat and ministerial position… still couldn’t help from commiting fraud, taking bribes and committing perjury and got sent to prison…
I guess it ain’t just black folk and their families …right…..
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@Rycher:
First of all, the Daily Mail is a tabloid newspaper that thrives on sensationalism and which celebrity is humping who, which celebrity lost fifty pound in a week, which regularly rails against what it perceives as ‘political correctness’ ,which rails against immigrants and refugees and so on and so on. I read this tabloid online frequently and have bought copies of it when I come across a copy of it. I greatly enjoy the ‘Femail’ section(which I find comical and entertaining, sort of like reading a satirical magazine/newspaper), which is chock full of celebrity gossip but so’s the National Enquirer. The only difference being that the Daily Mail throws in ‘political commentary’ and ‘news for good measure. Headlines such as;
City Lawyer Swindles Bank out of 7 million pounds then paid off mortgage and had breast implants
or hows’ this one?
Briton named as world’s heaviest man warned to ‘lose weight or die’ as he balloons to 70 stone
This one is particularly ‘informative’
,Shocking images of girl gang kicking a male victim in drunken attack which left him with a footprint on his face.
If you quote the ‘The Mirror” another British Tabloid to prove your points, than I know you are nothing but full of sh*t.
I perused the other British Newspapers and this is the only one that made mention of this women. Oh yes and when Googled, this woman and her son were made mention of on sites such as ‘stormfront’, Chimp out and other sites of this ilk. They all referenced the Daily Mail Article when posting their comments.
As for this woman you use for your ‘example’ of non-whites benefiting from white benevolence, wonders of wonders, she was born and raised in England! Are you saying she is not entitled to employment? Who are you to determine this?
As for her son being charged and sent to trial, he hasn’t been convicted of the alleged complaints, why bring this up? Is she guilty by association? Did she spur her son on? What’s your point? What does it have to do with this woman’s job and her race? If you wanted to use her as an example of non-whites benefiting from white benevolence, you should have just left it at that.
According to your own, more reputable newspapers, there is a ‘race’ problem in the UK institutional and otherwise. Using examples of a few racialized people in ‘high positions does not qualify as an example of how benevolent and inclusive your society is.
Please. In the future please refrain from using tabloid fodder as your references. There is enough references on the internet, library etc, available which are more illustrative of the state of race relations in predominantly white societies.
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Good comments, Soul and Herneith!
I think I get it now: Denise Milani is like Barack Obama: a black person in high position who “proves” that whites are not racist. But in her case she is clearly undeserving because she is guilty by association to charges of an unproved crime. You know how those black people are, etc.
He seems to think whites are fools NOT to be racist.
Rycher, you got to do better than this.
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Abagond,
I just read about what you are talking about in the comment above in Tim Wise’s book “Between Barack and a Hard Place.” It talks a lot about Racism 2.0, which is what many White people (including some commenters on this blog) participate in. Wise talks about “exceptionalism” and how many Whites hold someone like Pres. Obama up as an exception (and a reason to say the US is no longer racist) while maintaining negative beliefs about Blacks in general. I highly suggest you read the book (I really liked it, though I did have some disagreements with Wise), and it would be great if you did a post on it. 🙂
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There are TONS of Denise Milanis all over white society. So Abagond, when you make the claim that “whites just let in non-whites to SCREW them or pay them less” it shows that you are quite ignorant of the plethora of cushy over-paid jobs given to minorities on the backs of hard-working taxpayers. I could provide an endless list of minorities given the same types of jobs as Mrs. Milani.
Denise Miliani is anecdotal evidence of white society bending over backward to appease the racial sensitivities of minorities; these institutional contortions are found nowhere else the world.
The principal premise of this blog is how racist, cruel, stupid, and clueless whites are with respect to non-whites.
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@Jasmine:
I have watched youtube segments with Tim Wise. I’ve not read any of his books though. I am going to the States on Sunday for a couple of weeks so will have to look out for it and some of his other books! Can you get it at most chain bookstores like Boarders? Thanks for the info.
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And I think that premise needs some serioius re-evaluation given today’s trends.
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Rycher said:
“you are quite ignorant of the plethora of cushy over-paid jobs given to minorities on the backs of hard-working taxpayers. I could provide an endless list of minorities given the same types of jobs as Mrs. Milani.”
Here are the British government’s numbers:
West Indians compared to whites in Britain, to take an example:
1. West Indian men are 3.5 times more likely to be out of work than white British men.
2. West Indians are 53% more likely to live in poverty.
3. West Indian men make 88% of of what white men make in hourly pay for full-time work.
Details:
In 2004 the unemployment rate among white British men was 4%. For Black Caribbean men it was 14%.
In 2002-2005, the poverty rate for whites was 15%. For Black Caribbeans it was 23%. (For Pakistanis and Bangladeshis it is 52%).
To Britain’s credit, hourly pay is more equal by race than in America, but whites still make more: for those in full-time work during 2001 to 2005 white men made an average 11.88 pounds an hour, Black Caribbean men 10.50.
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Rycher said:
“And I think that premise needs some serioius re-evaluation given today’s trends.”
My premises:
1. Thomas Jefferson: All men are created equal.
2. Lord Acton: Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Which one needs updating? How would you update them?
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Jasmin: Thanks for the recommendation.
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@abagond..
nope I don’t think you’ve fully gotten it yet..
If you don’t mind I’d like to elaborate.
See, it’s like this:
1) Any time a minority busts their behind, working through the ranks and overcomes the unbelievable obstacles set in their path and gets a job which is usually reserved for a white person..then that black [person was given that job.
2) When a white politician commits any of the following: fraud, rape, sex crimes, perjury, bribery, corruption, abuse of public funds, then politicians are simply corrupt.
However any black politician who does anything similar to what his colleagues are doing represents his entire race.
3) When a point can’t easily be proven, racists seek far away countries with black populations to prove their point. They seem to think that no-one else woill be aware of that farway country and it’s politics.
4) Do not bother showing examples of similar crimes to them. It will fly over their head or they’ll simple ignore it thinking it will make the fact go away.
Obviously there’s more to this list but it’s late in good ole blighty and I’ve got a comic book to get through.. oh as well as planning my next trip to the continent of Africa. Alas I can’t travel the entire continent so I’ll simply stop off at just one country.
ooops.. p.s. don’t say that to loudly, don’t think these erm people know that Africa is a continent.
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Herneith,
I ordered my book off of Amazon, since I needed it for a class, but it is pretty new (written post-Obama’s election), so I bet you can find it in Borders. I had some agreements and some disagreements, so I’d love to discuss it with you (promise we won’t hijack your blog, Abagond). 🙂
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@Jasmin:
Thanks Jasmin, I found it on sale at the chain booskstore here so I will probably buy it tomorrow. Best of all it is on sale, 24% off totalling 11.36CAD!
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Hi abagond…I’m ready to say something intellectual.
When I hear the phrase (command) “Go back to Africa [ya ungrateful blackie!], more than being a long reflection about the glorious generosity of whites, I hear, “Fuck you and whatever you have to say.”
An important point has yet to be mentioned in these comments–the fact that the comment, aside from being bizarrely racist, is also just plain hurtful. It connotes, smugly, that if you have a problem go somewhere away from the listener, to a place where you can squat with other whiney victims.
As for the gentleman by the name of Maximus, I completely understand your line of thinking, I really do, and I say that with no sarcasm, no ego, and no anger. But, I would like to respectfully disagree with you on some of your points with one very real, tangible fact: every institution that runs this country, from the Executive Branch of the government down to the police, is majority white, majority heterosexual, majority American (needless to say), and majority male. This is what constitutes what is called “institutional power” and this is why white people have all of the money and all of the political power. Everything economic hinges on the power of white.
White people are not willingly drowning themselves in the stories of black people uplifting black people. You complain that you do not hear stories of black people lifting up their communities, but have you bothered to seek out such stories? If not, why not? I live in the same country that you live in, and I understand how unavoidable the commercialized blackness of big booty hos and gun-carrying thugs is. It is how black people are perceived. Part of it is, without question, the doing of black people. I know some loose black girls that have babies and men that don’t take care of business, I do. But what happens is that the white-run media (an institution with more control than any of us realizes) takes this image of black people, finds others like it, and that is the black person they expect to see.
I have a four-year degree from a prestigious college, and I am still addressed as “girl” and “girlfriend.” Neither of those, as I’m sure you realize, are my name.
I think that what macon d was trying to convey to you is the fact that it almost doesn’t matter if every single black person got up, went to college, and became coorperate attorneys, we would still be defending in front of a white jury, listening to a white judge, in a court room pack with mostly white people for the simple fact that white people are the majority.
Please don’t forget that in several years, when the new majority is supposed to be Latino, as mentioned before, every institution that runs the United States will still be majority white, majority heterosexual, and majority male, still granting whites all of the institutional power, still making white the “right” way to be. If this is not true when the United States is majority Latino, I owe you a big apology and dinner out.
To the gentleman by the name of Rycher: I think that you argue very intelligently, but you have flown right over the point that (I believe) you were trying to make, that white people are “bending over,” in effect submitting, to racial pressure. If this is the case, why hasn’t every poor colored person with a sob story been awarded a job? How many are there like Milani who do not actually qualify for their positions? And I do not mean that they were handed the position on a silver platter, I mean how many worked diligently to move upward socially and economically and were granted this over a white person because the public white employer felt “pressured?”
Rycher, I just can’t believe that there are as many as you say.
Those high-ranking social positions aren’t given away like candy to WHITE PEOPLE, so how is it that suddenly there is a legitimate threat of an unqualified person of color stealing it in EVERY scenario? It honestly doesn’t make sense, and, forgive me, sounds more paranoid than truthful.
And, just to play Devil’s Advocate (against myself, I realize), if there truly were a great many people of color in high-ranking social positions, like the one Milani occupies, as a visible cave-in to public pressure, then first of all you still have nothing to be concerned about, because the other 95% of positions like that are still held by qualified individuals, whatever their color. Second of all, when she leaves the position, I bet MY LIFE that they will not fill it with another black body (since this is all she is, assuming that “they” just “gave it to her”).
I don’t mean to stereotype you, whatever your ethnicity, but at the core of that argument is an advert reference to what is called in the United States “The Urban Takeover,” white America’s fear mass of savage black and brown people simultaneously conquering both suburbia and corporate America, filling the suburbs with violence and the corporate world with the corrupt and idiotic. Please tell me if you think that I am wrong, please do.
But I can’t help but to hear this Urban Takeover in your posts. It’s honestly a little chilling.
And just another personal opinion: I would have looked at the employer cock-eyed if a white person had been chosen to be the principle of ANY diversity outreach program, unless they had a substantial experience with such a delicate area.
No, I do not mean to imply that every black Tom, Dick, and Harry is more qualified than an Oxford-trained white person.
But if this Oxford-trained white person hasn’t experienced any sort of institutional racism, but Harry could write a book about the number of times he applied for an entry level position but was turned down or ignored…tell me what you think. I do not feel that my line of thinking is skewed by my experiences as an educated black woman, but instead enhanced.
~*~ Pretty Star, OA
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@Alexandria:
Excellent post! Very well said!
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Wasn’t it a black person named Marcus Garvey who started that back to africa movement.
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True, but “Go back to Africa” when it comes from the mouths of white people is not about moving to another continent but about their kindness. If anything, Garvey disproves their argument by calling their bluff.
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I had no idea there was such thing as “go back to Africa” argument. It makes no sense, it’s igrnorant, racist and disrespectful (towards black people and Native Americans).
However, I am not quite sure poverty (unless it’s extreme) is worse than racism.
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I am a white South African wishing to start my own business. I did not grow up in a rich family. Not one bank want’s to give me a loan because of Black Economic Empowerment crap. They only give big loans to blacks. I was about 10 years old when apartheid ended. I only realized what apartheid was when I was about 17 years old. I have never done anything to any black person. I have no intention to either. But what they are doing to limit us and our freedom to personal economic freedom makes me sick.
They promised all whites freedom during talks with the apartheid government. They showed that they cannot be trusted.
Me starting my own business is not taking from the poor black man. It is good for the economy instead, but they would rather give that up so they can feel better for making things difficult for us.
I can say that I have been discriminated against by the ANC government for being white, I have to sit and listen to their open hate speech towards us everyday on news channels. Whites this, whites that. They blame all their shortfalls on us. We don’t get the billions in tax money ANC(blacks). You do.
In our headlines at the moment all the newspapers are reporting on how black ministers departments spent up to R 137 000 000, approx 10000000 pound on travelling. What about the poor?
Whites don’t do anything to blacks. They just wan’t to continue their business with one another and live out their lives without being nasty to a poor good black man or have anything or as kittle as possible to do with them, because it creates problems. If blacks dislike working for whites, go work for a black men.
As far as I’m concerned they should just leave us alone. You hate us don’t you? Don’t get involved with our money making ( because you can do better, create wealth in your communities). Let’s see how that goes. We made the Rand. Make something of your own. Trade with cattle or something. We don’t talk to you, we don’t help you or at least I don’t because you all support those bastards(politicians) that sing about killing me and how bad I am. You believe them, you feel the same way You don’t know me, but I know your type.
I have had
1. 6 car break-ins (probably whites)
2. 1 car stolen (probably whites)
3. 1 friend shot in front of his wife and 3 year old boy.(3 black men)
4. Nevermind this line
5. I had a friend shot in front of a night club, no apparent reason(group of black men)
6. A female friend raped repeatedly(by 5 young black males)
7. Parents house cleaned out. (probably a white guy)
8. Friends apartment robbed on the 2nd story of a flat block.(2 black men) Climed up the front of the building aremed with 9mm’s. Can you believe it.
6. When I was staying in the same flat I saw my curtain move in the early morning hours. I grabbed it. Was definately a black arm in my hand.
7. Got broken into in our Pretoria house and nearly cleaned out.(probably a bad white man).
8. My ucle was shot and left for dead. He recalled a black male on the scene, no shit.
9. Another Uncle and my Aunt was fired upon on a hi-way with an assauted rifle in an attempt to stop them. (definately a black man)
8. My brother was nearly hi-jacked the other night.(black man).
And then up to date nearly 3000 white farmers have lost their lives. It’s cheaper to kill them than to buy their land, don’t you agree ANC. Just keep it very quiet.
That was just me and my little world. There are 6 million more of us. Imagine the stories.
I think we can see the picture here. When white people start making hard earned money. Black politicians tell them whites are taking money from them and it is rightfully theirs (economic wise). Blacks must be very racist because 80% of them vote for these politicians who spew hate speech and the ANC are still in power.
That’s what whites did. We stole their money and gave them AIDS.
Maybe we commit the sin of making money in Africa but at least we don’t murder, rape and blame crime on poverty. A empty stomach doesn’t make you wan’t to screw or kill. Or at least it doesn’t make me want to.
I really wish all of us can move to Europe. I’m sure everone will eventually if that was possible.
Africa hates white people. No matter what we do to make things right, they will always hate white people deep inside. They even hate other black tribes. Thay hate everything except those things the West can provide.
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@ WhiteSA
That’s funny, from your pic I would never have described you as a white South African. Try Colored. Of the Cape Town coloreds.
That’s not a sun tan, more melanin! Ok ok I digress lol
As a ‘White’ South African :smdh: typically you’ve glossed over what your fellow whites got up to before the government told you all where to shove your white previlege!
3000 white farmers killed huh? Tragic, but out of curiosity you wouldn’t happen to have a toll on how many BLACK farmers were killed during apartheid now would you??
It’s tough that things suck for whites in SA, my black South African father was in exile in Canada when I’m sure your lot was revelling on being white in SA. Like you I didn’t know what aparthied was until we were forced to leave.
I will agree with you though on the dismal crime rate, the tribal squabbling and corrupt Government officials, but it’s WHITES that hate Africa!! That’s another topic altogether.
The problem with a lot of you white South Africans is that you’re too self serving to have an honest debate about race and history, too self centred to be fair. I’ve lost family members to White south Africans in power. They weren’t poor or thugs, but educated people, teachers, professors and lawyers that dared to oppose that regime and paid with their lives, The rest of us are dispersed all over the world!
You’ll have to excuse me if I have little sympathy for your plight!
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I’m writing a research paper on racism in america and how it goes both ways and will likely never end. This website proves it.
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Nailed it!
Also I have noticed the same white people that say “I wasnt alive during slavery” and/or “my family never owned slaves so I cant be held responsible of benefit from white privilege”
will be the same people spewing that “blacks should be grateful” bullshit.
They will do anything to make the white collect look good, even if their argument is inconsistent.
In their minds you cant blame/point out white people and white privilege but you can thank white people for bringing your black ass to America.
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@WhiteSA, white apartheid government and economic establishment played a major role in creating conditions for crime rates to be out of control. Compare South Africa’s homicide rate to that of its immediate neighbors. According to wikipedia, Zimbabwe and Swaziland’s homicide rate is a fraction of South Africa’s. These countries have historical, ethnic and cultural ties to South Africa but there is a huge difference in crime rates today.
As far as the “go back to Africa” thing goes, it is a joke. Black American culture is mostly based on Western European culture. Many black Americans derive a significant part of their genetic ancestry from Europeans. So how about black people go back to Europe.
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I’ve typed it before, and I’ll type it again, whites seem to never fail to prove how RIGHT you are about them. This blog was about the “Go back to Africa” argument, and here, some whites (Jane, WhiteSA and Maximus) come and prove that the blog is TRUE about what they say about them. I mean “hello?”
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To WhiteSA this may sound harsh, but all the experiences you had and crimes you described proves one thing, what goes around comes around.
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Will:
Right, almost without fail some white commenter will miss the point while proving the point.
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Speaking of what goes around coming around, the South African White Supremacist Eugene TerreBlanche was found murdered at his home recently.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1263460/Eugene-Terreblanche-murdered-home-South-Africa.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo
A despicable rabidly racist waste of space. I remember this man and his ilk during my earlier years in South Africa. Whites like him-and there are millions of them- reap what they sow.
The audacity of these people never ceases to amaze me. On one hand they tell blacks in the Americas to go back to Africa, on the other treat African soil like its their god given right! Bet it never occured to the likes of Eugene TerreBlanche and his thieving forefathers to go back to where they come from if they wanted a separatist Afrikaaner State.
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Whoa why is my comment on moderation????
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There are already so called Afrikaans states, the Transvaal and the Orange Free State were from what I can recall predominantly white states, pretty much no go zones for the likes of moi.
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Isn’t it funny (not haha funny) when some whites think blacks/poc are complaining, they say the ‘Go back to Africa’ or ‘Go back to wherever the hell you came from’ line? I had the ‘Go back to China’ said to me and I’m not even Chinese.
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Jane, I see exactly where you are coming from. Jane is right for the most part. Whites can’t always be blamed for the problems blacks are facing in this country. It is a waste of time. Blaming whites will get us absolutely nowhere. If parents want their children to be successful, they have to make the effort. Take the ipods, computers, t.v etc away and make school a focus. Give them tools that will stimulate their minds, raise them to be successful. I agree with the statement she made that on the end of both spectrum, you have whites that are so absorbed with telling blacks to “Get over it” and blacks saying “It’s your fault” so much to the point that it divides us. We both have fault; pointing fingers is a waste of energy. Her argument is not ridiculous Jen, maybe you should read it and give it thought; instead of finding a way to divide yourself from her. Abagond, in tenth grade, I did not like white people despite the fact that I had whites friends. My racism, thank goodness, lasted only that school year. If you want I can tell you all the ills of whites but that would be a waste of my time and energy. Plus it would be beside the point. Concentrate your efforts on issues facing all the races, the responsibility everyone should take, and how we can better unite. It is talks like this and thoughts like this that spark worthy revolution.
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The arguement is valid FOR A LOGICAL HUMAN BEING!!
If I am in a place which makes my life a living hell, logical sense tells me to GTFO! lol
Most of these haters of the US of A just want a free hand out anyway..nothing more.
but
In Africa you will have Black Supremacy…aiint it coooool?
You will never have to deal with YT Devilz ever again…sound good?
Why suffer? When freedom awaits!!!!!
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Great White Man, you’re a troll.
Why don’t whites move back to Europe? Since North America isn’t there original land? Is that not a logical conclusion to come to as well?
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Great White:
Why do you the word “whitey” (YT)? It seems like it is only white trolls who use that word. Why is that?
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@ Natasha W
The difference is I LOVE MY COUNTRY!!!!
and the Natives traded most of the land for simple trinkets and FIRE WATER lol
Same with African cheifs in the trade of slaves. African slaves were traded fro booze, weapons and simple trinkets like Mirrors.
@Abagond
I use YT because I encounter the slang so much in dealing with low life Afrocentrics.
YT
Devilz
Cavemen
Cavebeast
So much envy by those “people” its funny…lol
I never resort to racism in my dealings with these @ssholes either….they cannot say the same.
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Why bother? There is a dichotomy on this blog. There are those who have differing opinions and want to engage in dialogue to either “prove their point” or “understand” perspective while participating in a virtual group session.
The other side is: Ignorant people who don’t really want to understand anything, who then get kicks out of derailing threads or making blatantly racist remarks… (which infuriates me)
It is my opinion that Rycher – comments posted above – did hit the nail on the head. What I find ironic is that he/she was attacked rather than questioned for additional information – or better yet, embraced in the unity against Racist ideology. (did Jesus preach to the righteous, or to the sinners? Think about it.) The problem with the derailers is that too many on this blog give the time of day to a minority group of White fanatics who show up just to prove that “Whites are racist”. They are a minority faction group which is a far cry from mainstream society in all its diversity.
Why even acknowledge their idiotic statements. It is like engaging a 1 year old in a debate. Nothing you say will matter, so why bother. The only difference is that you give the baby a bottle, while you give the “racist” fuel for the fire. Take away the fuel, the fire no longer burns.
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GWM,
The difference is I LOVE MY COUNTRY!!!!
And you think that black Americans do not love the US? Why? Because they criticize some aspects of it? If a parent admonishes their child for crossing the street without looking both ways does that mean they do not love their child?
and the Natives traded most of the land for simple trinkets and FIRE WATER lol
Same with African cheifs in the trade of slaves. African slaves were traded fro booze, weapons and simple trinkets like Mirrors.
Nonsense.
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Great White said:
“@Abagond
I use YT because I encounter the slang so much in dealing with low life Afrocentrics.
YT
Devilz
Cavemen
Cavebeast
So much envy by those “people” its funny…lol
I never resort to racism in my dealings with these @ssholes either….they cannot say the same.”
But what black person on this blog ever used those terms to express his beliefs? It is a strawman argument that has the side effect of making blacks look racist.
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Great White:
Instead of arguing against the black people in your head, try arguing against the living, breathing black people on this blog.
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Abagond, sorry for the double post. I thought buffoon was the reason I was getting moderated…
You are getting more strict, abagond, my friend.
I have not insulted anyone since you made it clear it is against the rules.
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@ Natasha…
Great point… Not sure if ‘GREAT WHITE MAN’ ever served his country or not. I did… and I can assure you, there is a disproportionate number of minority groups as compared to U.S. society as a whole who are serving in our Armed Forces. (I recall a stat quickly of something like 30% Black in the Army alone: not including Air Force, Marines or Navy.)
Now add other minority groups and you have close to a 45/55 ratio. ALL MY BROTHERS LOVE THIS COUNTRY… ALL…. Not derailing this thread by any means. I’m just trying to say: If you want to see a BAND OF BROTHERS who love their country, look at our Armed Forces.
Are there racist people there? Sure… The soldiers are a product of American society, rural, urban, etc… Go to war: put a Black man and White man in a foxhole together when someone is trying to kill them, and you’re gonna see two AMERICANS who love their country kick some arse.
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@abagond
I don’t argue, my friend. I enlighten.
Any and all Afrocentric myths can be debunked!!!
So it’s really no arguement needed. The gullible post bogus points of view and I correct them.
You see racist, black or white, cannot grasp the truth. They will indeed get E-motional when confronted with it.
I’m a realist, abagond, nothing more.
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Great White:
I made YT a moderated word since it is just a respelling of whitey.
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Great White:
No calls for violence. It is against WordPress policy.
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@Abagond you moderated my post.
I know Afrocentrics don’t like the truth about Africa. They think it’s some paradise that was ravaged by Europeans and Arabs
Here is the truth!!!!
This is a response to some Afrocentric who claimed the Dahomey Nation was the pinnacle of civilization smh
The origins of Dahomey can be traced back to a group of Aja from the coastal kingdom of Allada who moved northward and settled among the Fon people of the interior. By about 1650, the Aja managed to dominate the Fon, and Wegbaja declared himself king of their joint territory. Based in his capital of Agbome, Wegbaja and his successors succeeded in establishing a highly centralized state with a deep-rooted kingship cult of sacrificial offerings. These included an emphasis on human sacrifices in large numbers, to the ancestors of the monarch. Human sacrifices were not only made in time of war, pestilence, calamity, and on the death of kings and chiefs, they were also made regularly in the Annual Customs, believed to supply deceased kings with a fresh group of servants. Four thousand Whydahs, for example, were sacrificed when Dahomey conquered Whydah in 1727. Five hundred were sacrificed for Adanzu II in 1791. The sacrifices for Gezo went on for days. Human sacrifice was usually done by beheading, except in the case of the king’s wives, who were buried alive. All land was owned directly by the king, who collected taxes from all crops that were produced.
Good day, Gentlemen
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In a few years whites will be outnumbered in America. Blacks are not going anywhere.
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I just read this blog for the first time, with “abagond” as getting an A in racism, but he’s certainly not the only one…..don’t you realize, that THIS is exactly what the powerful muckety-mucks want us to do ? Just keep fighting amongst ourselves, while “they” continue manipulating societal discourse ? I am caucasian, white ? Who the hell is “white”, my skin isn’t white, so quit using those f***ed up government/census terms. You are not “black” either ! My ancestors were discriminated because they didn’t speak English when they arrived, and weren’t German either, so they became farmers, and trappers. Evil is not selective, it attaches itself to any race. YOU need to figure out how to fix YOU.
I cannot do it, or I would. Don’t lose sight of the big picture, my friend, there area very small portion of rich corrupt people running things, and that needs to change. The middle class is dissolving at an alarming rate, and we need to understand and prevent this together. Don’t be fooled by your so-called “higher” standard of living, we are all serfs, if we are not the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Kennedys(less important),etc…and don’t be fooled by the false stereotypes created on TV, and in Hollywood. Don’t live the Hollywood stereotype, instead try getting involved in what your instincts really tell you to do, and connect with people who really care about the future.
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I also read the article about shoplifting, don’t think for a minute that caucasian (“white”) people aren’t watched over by shopkeepers, it happens to all the time. The fact that the “survey”(stop trusting surveys) stated that a majority (where/when/who’s survey?) of shoplifters were “white” females 20-30’s proves only that this particular group got caught more often. Shopkeepers, and security guards have never topped the popularity list anyways. Enough of the anti-caucasian racism, slavery did not end because a small minority of “whites” wanted it to end, it ended because the majority wanted it stopped. Abagond you are spewing hate speech….you know, Hitler used this method to help achieve power.
Is that your goal ? Or are you just trying to stir up hatred in general ?
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Ah, the trolls…are they in season yet? 😉
Another derailment tactic – insert ‘class’ over ‘race’ and put everyone in the same boat: “we are all serfs…” But that sounds like classic Tea-Bagger nonsense! You know, that ‘political’ party who wants to ‘take back our country’?
Personally, I’ve been wondering who took the country in the first place…if it’s gone, where have I been living all this time???
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[…] “Go back to Africa” […]
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I would love to go back to Africa, IF I knew who my people were. Unfortunately I do not. Besides, this is my home. I have more claim to it than a lot of whites probably do as I have native american ancestry on both sides of my family tree. Choctaw.
What I always say to anyone who tells me to go back to Africa is to tell them to go back to where ever the hell they originally came from.
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“People should be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.”
-MLK
I think he meant both black and white.
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However way you dish it, Caucasian people had a large hand to play in the enslavement and oppression of people of African decent, not to mention others. You (addressing the ‘trolls’) cannot deny the slave trade happened and cannot say, with a serious face, that 400 years of oppression, regression, depression, and pure loathing of the African peoples by people of the Caucasian persuasion did and does not have any lasting effects on the persecuted and the persecutors. Sure the African people sold *some* of their own to the Europeans and that was wrong,but what was worse was that your people (Caucasians) took advantage of the Africans who had never seen Caucasians before or could even guess at their intentions. I’m not downplaying the African part to play in enslavement but I will sure as hell not diminish the part your Ancestors had to play in the mess we have today. ‘We’ as in all of us, because like it or not, African-Americans have just as much claim to the Americas as Caucasians do. The blood, sweat and tears of the slaves still bring bounty to this nation. The indentured servants did as well I imagine, they toiled i’m sure, but they were for all intents and purposes free after their contracts were up. An African in those times was a slave for life. They were dogs, beats, burdens on the world and yet…..you still found use for them. Had the Africans not been brought to America i’m quite sure another group would have taken their place and my voice would be theirs.
You may say Your Ancestors didn’t own slaves but how sure are you of that? Are the mystical goings on of the past susceptible to your infallible guess work and reasoning, for surely you are greater than the World’s historians!
The fact is sh!t happens, but that doesn’t mean we should forget about it or justify it in some way with divine happenings, blame the supposedly genetically inferior group or claim we had nothing to do with it. This is ‘our’ America. When you say you love this country, you mean you’ll try everything on God’s green Earth to see it’s fair for all its inhabitants.
No one is blaming white people, because it could have just as easily have been another group, what we are saying is that you don’t help the situation by being so damn negative and bigoted.
You say you don’t own slaves and don’t condone it, but because you still benefit from them and still use remnants of the thinking that kept them down.
If you don’t want to be a part of the solution, you don’t have to be. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying ‘Be this, because that is what I am and I am better that you, therefore I am right and you are wrong’.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness.”~ Mark Twain*
*Yes, he is a white author but literature, like all subjects are enriched by the creativity and creations of all people and of all times.
Have a nice day XP
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[…] What have I done or what have Black people done to engender the hate? Hate that makes people want to lynch us from trees, set fire to our churches, and shoot us down like dogs in the street. A lot of times we are told to “go back to Africa.” […]
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@The Space Between the Stars
An black slave is more salty-priced than an white one. Only few can buy.
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[…] “Go back to Africa” […]
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@jean
Sorry dear, but will be the white & brown latinos who will be majority;
African-Americans still will be minority;
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@Abagond
this story of whites thinking “U.S. is better than africa” is pure idiocy of you part.
Whites only said this to you go to Africa, not to say U.S.A is better than africa
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“going to Africa?” lol! which African country wish to receive those strangers?
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@ the south African man , you don’t particularly look white by any measure looking at your pic, though you seem to speak for one,you say the crime and atrocities you experienced are from black people, yet you seem to forget that the white men in the slave trade committed some of the most barbaric, hostile murderous violence ever that outweighs the more trivial crimes that certain black commit today.
Bty it makes me laugh when a white in America says go back to Africa,I just reply go back to yours, America has NEVER BELONGED to the white man, America was first inhabited by the arawak Indians and then white men took over and made America theirs, just because a country is yours through birthright, your true country is the one that reflects your heritage..so when white people say go back to Africa, they should go back to their native country first.
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Whie people think black people are an ugly color. Thats where all antiblack racism comes from. They hate the way blacks argue and complain about their past or current problems. Most whites dont care about blacks problems. Everything associated with black people is ugly, to them. Deal with it thats reality.
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lol, you don’t even know your own cultural history. The king of Africa, sold your ancestors to the queen of england who then sent you here. Africa’s current leader still takes young boys and girls and makes them slaves. (Boys=soldiers/labour, girls= child sex slaves). The country itself is ate up with poverty, aids, malaria, etc. And I am honestly sick of the crying and the whining. I grew up poor, I don’t use my race as a tactic to get by with almost everything or to bully others. It wasn’t the current generation that enslaved your ancestors, I suggest you get the chip off your shoulder or move back to africa, since you think it’s so much nicer.
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Sai
You don’t seem to know much of it either. All that hard work and education was not part of it. Some were sold, some came here free, and some were actually kidnapped.
Africa is not a country. It is a continent. As to the current state of it…..http://www.howwemadeitinafrica.com/new-report-reveals-africas-fastest-growing-cities/39194/
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Oh and FYI….you can not go back to a place you have never been.
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re: Sai’s remark
But he just did that.
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Kiwi
I have no idea. I just hope he did not pay to be educated on that mess.
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WOW did I stumble on to an early Malcolm X army of haters or what. Relax people love the Lord and we will all get through this as one people the Human Race
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Go back to Africa? Africa is full of white people..
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ThokozileX (@TheFinalDayze)–Actually, it isn’t, they make up less than one percent of the continent’s population. However, they do have the most power…
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@Glorp
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https://www.gofundme.com/2ddma8z8
This is hilarious! The white racists are too cheap to put their money where their mouth is when telling
black people to go back to Africa!.
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Next time someone tells you to ‘Go back to Africa”, send them this link!
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Thanks for the link, Herneith! So funny! If these silly-minded white people are telling black people to “Go back to Africa” then they should practice what they preach because they sure as hell aren’t from the US or Canada originally. Go back to Europe, hypocrites!
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Put your money where your hate is!!!! Hahahahahaha!! If you read some of the comments, they clueless racist accuse this guy of wanting ;handouts’ as per usual. They are too stupid to realize this is satire. One fool donated 45USD with the express wish that he doesn’t come back. I think I’ll put one up and see what happens. I want to be sent to the States seeing as how my ancestors were forced to flee!
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The guys selling t-shirts here:
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You know what all your problems are? its all about white people.Nobody takes responsibility for their words or actions.we all have done wrong on this subject but point fingers anyway. Whites shouldn’t be yellin nigger and blacks shouldn’t be callin whites crackers and honkeys.as long as we keep callin names it will never end.everybody’s got an opinion. We all have good and bad apples.hold your tongue and at least TRY to get along
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Yet again…it’s always the White man’s fault. The Black race is actually superior to the White race because of the vibrational quality of the melanin in their skin. Yet somehow this White man, claimed to be a primitive cave dweller, conquered all of Africa is less than 100 years?!?
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The biggest issue with this is that it implies that modern-day Black people are from Africa. I, for one, denounce European DNA on account of the systematic rape that is so blatantly shown when the DNA tests are brought forth, but it is still there. I would think that after forcibly subjugating different ethnicities and depriving them of their culture to break them, then systematically raping the women and girls, there would be no way to go back. But maybe, I am wrong. Maybe White men did not give Black people European DNA predominantly through rape; they would like to believe that with their justification of rape due to those licentious little Black girls seducing even such “fine” White men. Maybe White men did not force different ethnicities to breed with one another; well, the variation in DNA from politically defined states that suit European needs says otherwise, the Middle Passage says otherwise, and the slave raids say otherwise. If I go “back”, then Whites will have had to not have done what they did. They will have not have been able to make race; Get rich off of slavery; Force Black people into Jim Crow and Apartheid; Murder Asian men well into the 1900s; Throw people into internment camps; Advocate and participate in genocide; Throw FN people into “Reservations” after wiping them out. if I go “back”, I am assuming that us contemporary Black Americans are the people who were first enslaved here, fresh off the boat. So, White people, could you even handle that? Do you want to go “back”? I can imagine that those succulent privileges are too good to give up, you know, after genociding and/or raping most of the world’s people and resources.
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@Luke:
White people could not have conquered anyone without the Slave Trade, of which they could not have perpetuated without “Blacks” themselves due to their inability to handle the climates. They had to stay on the coastline. Sadly, even “Blacks” of the time often did not know that race-based slavery was the system in place. If they did, many of them opted out of selling slaves– a madame from one area rings a bell. She stopped after finding out what was being done. Why would they continue if that enslavement would mean that they would ALL be forced to the bottom of the global totem pole? Anyways, this “primitive cave dweller” may want to try giving reparations to the group of people who aided their demonic hegemony’s inception. Because he is so morally sanctimonious, he should do his due diligence and hand it over. So, Luke, when are we getting it from the White man?
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@ofbordelloandmen
…And here we go again on with that same Dvorkin-style nonsense of mixing race and gender. Just for a sake of misandry, I suppose?
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@ofbordelloandmen
Who says this is a stupid or racist enough.
You said white people’s genes are in blacks through rape. This is true in the past (Jim Crown era and before it), but do not apply so much today. The mixed-race Americans of today are, most of the times, products of love.
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@Nagpo
Misandry is an odd way of putting it. If I have qualms with White men, but not Black men, am I a misandrist? I would gander that most Black women in the States probably do in some respect (it is a continuum shaped by our mentalities concerning Blackness), but I would never think that they are misandrists. That seems a little too textbook and lacks the complexity of intersectionality that most Black women go through. Maybe, it is that an expression of gendered racism. Because I would beg to differ of it being the former. And although I realize that White women can be greatly racist, it is obvious that their racism cannot survive without the racism of White men– they have an edge because of that that allows them to get away with it.
And White men really did have to stay on the coastline because of malaria, which is why I am surprised that they were even in the Congo (I believe that using native forces was still more common than the presence of White men though)… Also, I was informed by a Guyanese woman that they had to get out of Guyana for a similar reason– the climate (her honest opinion…). It just was not a good environment for them.
@Mr. Satan
What do you mean by the “who says this is racist or stupid enough”? Also, I am not talking about the present, which bears little importance on my perspectives of DNA that most Black Americans have. I believe that there is certainly less mixing within our group now. Not to mention, what I have is not from a White mother who loves me. It is from a White man(s) who raped a Black woman(s). Chance even puts that supposition in my favor. The luxury that Seal’s children have has not been bestowed upon most Black Americans. White people simply do not have to think that their DNA tests reveal rape because their people did not go through the same trauma as mine during slavery, colonization, and Jim Crow. Can I make this another example of #Whiteprivilege or nah, not having to worry about shame or anger when they get their 2% African DNA to claim that they are Black?
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Dude, I’m not saying there is no racism and no rape, I’m saying this is not the rule anymore in interracial relationships. Sorry if my words has a different meaning for your ears.✌
And no, if I discover I’m 2% black or even 50% black, I’ll not explode in anger or cower and his in shame. I love anyone who loves me.
😘😘😘😘
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@Mr Satan
Yeah, but even saying “most of the times, products of love” is not necessarily true, because certain white men fetishize black women or any woman of color. That isn’t necessarily love. Some of the most racist unions I have seen have been interracial, so not sure what love is actually there. You can have sex with someone and still see them as beneath you.
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@Mr. Satan
I neither claimed that you said neither. You were inappropriately using a faulty appeal to emotion concerning the rape of Black women who suffered even further by bearing children conceived of such rape as a past occurrence by talking about how such babies today are conceived out of love. It has nothing to do with the information that I expressed, as most Black Americans do not have predecessors whose mixed ancestry is from that of a loving relationship. That is backed up by the brutal history of racism that no one could escape in America if they were to operate in such a society. My comment about the 2% DNA has purely to do with the pathetic mindset of Whites who make YouTube videos shamelessly claiming that they are Black when they never will be. Black people may make such videos, but I can guarantee that a Black person will make note of their inferiority complex or internalized racism that warrants them happy of “rape blood”. Again, it is fairly obvious that you just will not be able to comprehend what I am saying because you will never be Black. You were not only not raised as a Black American, but the world will also never see you as such for whatever given reason. Our Blackness is not rap music. It is being able to feel pain when Black men are being shot– FOR REAL– on television, which is basically a good ole lynch postcard for White people to share with their White buddies and like on YouTube when they attempt to justify the murders by blame shifting in the comments. It is a pain that reminds us of centuries of treatment in America that would put the Devil to shame. And in some cases, it is having to shut off our humanity because we cannot cope with the pain of Black bodies being shot like cattle being grossly probed for consumption. We are a multifaceted people, not 2% on a DNA map.
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Agree. I, sadly, believe that we implicitly as Black people see these relationships as a form of a social step-up. If our concept of “love” is heavily shaped by the society that we live in, then I am going to question why race would not play a great factor when this society has race in its founding and its name– America.
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@ofbordelloandmen
Well, if you ‘have qualms with White men, but not Black men’, that makes you b.o.t.h. a racist a.n.d. a misandrist. Or a person with a teenage/infancy trauma. Or all the three in one. In fact, I don’t know you personally, just like you are hardly to know anyone of the people you label as ‘White males’.
You say that ‘our Blackness is not rap music. It is being able to feel pain when Black men are being shot’, but it’s a self-defeating strategy to try to build your identity on a victim status.
Good to hear about the malaria and the stuff, though, because the Russian ‘private’ military and mining companies are getting into the CAR and neighborhood more and more actively since China had started losing its position in Africa. This gives me some hope that the Russian ‘colonists’ will have to retreat someday, too.
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@ofbordelloandmen I’m not appealing to any kind of emotion.
Anyways I’m speaking of the couples of today.😘
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“it’s a self-defeating strategy to try to build your identity on a victim status” says the white man who gets upset whenever white men are criticized.
It is neither racism nor misandry to talk about the historical wrongs committed by white men as a group.
It is not racism to talk about the historical wrongs committed by white people (men and women) as a group.
It is not misandry to talk about the historical wrongs committed by men as a group.
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@Mr.Devil Luciferian aka Mr. Satan
You need to check the comment policy because switching names and not specify could be viewed as you using a sock puppet.
“Anyways I’m speaking of the couples of today.”—Not really. You speak on a presumed idea that love is the result of those couples and their mixed children. Let me put this another way. There are black men and women who fetishize mixed kids. They form unions not for love but for the idea of creating what they believe is the ultimate beauty. Same for certain white men and women. They fetishize mixed kids. Love is hardly if at all the basis for their union. Some mixed couple really do love each other, but I see a lot of white male with a woman of color union and that white male has done or is doing something racist while professing love to the same person those racist acts were exhibited against.
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Oh and yes you are appealing to emotion, but carry on.
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@sharinalr thanks!
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@ Sharina
Not only is he switching names in violation of the policy, but I think he’s already been banned … at least if he is the same Mr. Satan from Brazil who got banned some years ago.
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@abalone sorry for having change my name, was not my aim using other name.
Email is the same. Forgive-me.
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Mr Satan:
Okay.
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@Nagpo
Lol, dude. Maybe, I am all three? However, I am a teen, but I do not recall anything race related causing personal problems other than stereotypes about being dumb , angry, not having my dad in my home, or being poor just annoying. I would say that it is just gendered racism. Like when White women hate Black women but like Black men or when White men hate Asian men but like Asian women. It is highly racist, but shows the complexity of even something as supposedly simple as racism.
I grew up with people of varying races, religions, sexuality, etc., so to say that I do not know what White men are like would be wrong (of course, not all). There was “good” and “bad” in everyone, but racism only seemed to strangely hamper the psyche of White kids versus the others in terms of their humanity. They could say, “Black lives matter!” (I prefer Black power, as BLM seems like pandering now and a way for White liberals to wash their hands of guilt), but they could not talk about Jim Crow (which some of my family members can still describe being in).To be around Whites in this day, you have to be willing to shut off a portion of yourself, which can be traumatic. For instance, I noticed that Black boys would be the ones to hang out with the White kids, but in return, they would have to make fun of our race (often use stereotypical names and give them stereotypical behaviors); it is like a right of passage into their circles. Even the homosexuals did it to be in with the heterosexuals. I like not making fun of my race, thanks.
Also, I am not sure why you are getting sensitive over what I said and trying to invoke the current colonization by China. I just believe that having been there for thousands of years, “Black” people (mainly West and Central groups) are more readily able to adapt to the climate and diseases. This would explain the higher prevalence of sickle cell in places like Nigeria, as well as carriers who have an advantage over malaria. The same can be found in Black Americans because they are from the region and in Indians because they also have higher malaria prevalence. Also, White racists love saying that we are known for having vitamin D deficiences, but this is a very Eurocentric approach, as we do not produce it the same way as “White” people because Black Americans are not from Europe. We do not need the supplements like White people do because of where most of our ancestors, having been in such an environment, had bodies capable of producing vitamin D on their own to avoid consuming highly toxic levels from the sun.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/11/20/246393329/how-a-vitamin-d-test-misdiagnosed-african-americans
https://americanbonehealth.org/bonesense/african-americans-need-less-vitamin-d-and-calcium/
https://www.essence.com/lifestyle/why-black-women-carry-more-weight/
I am sorry that your feelings are hurt. I will try not to do it again, Nagpo, but will you also stop calling me names? My mother gave me one already, to my father’s dismay. Lol.
@Mr. Satan
Lol, just stop. I am not the “one love” type.
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@Solitaire
I was not aware a Mr. Satan had been banned. Thanks for the heads up.
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@ Sharina
Well, I’m not sure that it is the same person. Abagond seems to be letting it go.
But there was a Mr. Satan from Brazil who got banned here:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/comment-policy/#comment-190314
This current individual sounds a lot like the old one and appears to be Brazilian from the Google Plus link in his alternative username here:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/go-back-to-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-403326
My hunch is that it’s the same person, but I could be wrong.
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@ofbordelloandmen
When you grow up and ‘have to pay an admission fee’ as a joke target within a group, you are not a part of it because you are stigmatized as ‘other’, Humans normally don’t make fun of those they identify as belonging to their groups. When you don’t belong to a group, you don’t know much of it, or of any of its representatives. Can you at least name MBTI types of some White acquaintances of yours?
Given the recent DNA findings, I wouldn’t postulate that ‘Black Americans are not from Europe’. You can never be sure about any DNA properties for sure.
https://gizmodo.com/turns-out-the-first-people-in-england-were-actually-bla-1822796426
And what do you define as ‘calling me names’? Any examples?
And… feelings hurt? Whose? How? When? I am really glad the Russian PWCs shall bankrupt in Herbert Well’s style, like those giant Martian octopuses.
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@russian nagpo
Black Americans typically aren’t from europe. They are from America.
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@sharinaIr
Thanx, cap. But my point was that the Europeans actually have some Black DNA before the British Crown came to Africa or the Americas, at least the British Europeans.
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@A Russian Nagpo
“Europeans actually have some Black DNA before the British Crown came to Africa or the Americas, at least the British Europeans.”–True, but in the context of the sentence it didn’t get across as such.
Also, “And what do you define as ‘calling me names’? Any examples?”:
“Well, if you ‘have qualms with White men, but not Black men’, that makes you b.o.t.h. a racist a.n.d. a misandrist. Or a person with a teenage/infancy trauma. Or all the three in one. In fact, I don’t know you personally, just like you are hardly to know anyone of the people you label as ‘White males’.”
All this is basically name calling masked as intellectual discourse. If you do it. Own it, but as for examples…how many more you need?
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@sharinaLr
Any connection between the two parts of your message?
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A Russian Nagpo
Sure is, but the fact that you don’t realize just means I woukd waste my time to explain. But keep name calling and asking for examples so I can pop up with them. 😁
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@sharinalr
For the sake of accuracy, I’ve went as far as have even checked it in a dictionary. A name-calling is something abusive (which is not applicable here), or insulting, or making an addressee to experience bad feelings (or at least such is a definition applied in my tradition), but I doubt you or that nickname holder share my religious views, so it is not a ‘name-calling’ from my part, but rather an attempt to manipulate my verbal behaviour according to your interests which I don’t know and which are therefore likely to contradict mine, from yours.
Like an old Chinese saying goes, ‘It’s hard to find a black cat inside in a dark room, especially when there is no black cat in it’. It’s me to define my intentions, not you.
As for the addressee — I doubt the nick-holder would be insulted by exactly the same things as those you’ve mentioned.
However, it was sad that she (or he) is a teen. I don’t see any other reason to mention of being underage except of being scared. And being scared means that a person is slinking into a domain (s?)he doesn’t belong to, which, in turn, means breaching of borders, or, in other words, the aggression.
So who is a real abuser here? And is it a name-calling to call a cat or a racist what they are?
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PS ‘…it was said’, not ‘it was sad’, of course 🙂
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@ A Russian Nagpo
“However, it was [said] that she (or he) is a teen. I don’t see any other reason to mention of being underage except of being scared.”
No, ofbordelloandmen clearly said that she is a teen in response to your statement here :
“…that makes you …. a person with a teenage/infancy trauma”
Her rejoinder to that remark was that she currently is a teen. No need to read anything else into it about being scared or having aggression.
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“And is it a name-calling to call a cat or a racist what they are?”
You’re not even trying to understand her. She’s talking about her experience as a black woman in a white-majority nation, and you can’t hear a word she’s saying because you are so offended that she dared to criticize white men.
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@A Russian Nagpo
“For the sake of accuracy, I’ve went as far as have even checked it in a dictionary.”—So you checked the dictionary, presented the definition, and decided what you did does not fit the definition because of some bs religious views etc.? Please allow me to open up a stadium so you can have a seat.
Telling someone they are “b.o.t.h. a racist a.n.d. a misandrist. Or a person with a teenage/infancy trauma” is insulting especially when there is no basis for it other than you being in your feelings about the mention of white men.
“Like an old Chinese saying goes, ‘It’s hard to find a black cat inside in a dark room, especially when there is no black cat in it’. It’s me to define my intentions, not you.”—You are free to define your intentions, but I am free to point out how your explanation is Bs, especially when this has become a habit. You enjoy being insulting through the use of name calling or condescending and when called on it acting like you did nothing wrong and claiming “intentions”. No one knows your intention, but they can become quite clear when you watch the mastery in which certain actions are done.
“However, it was “said” that she (or he) is a teen. I don’t see any other reason to mention of being underage except of being scared. And being scared means that a person is slinking into a domain (s?)he doesn’t belong to, which, in turn, means breaching of borders, or, in other words, the aggression.”—You do realize that trauma isn’t joke right? However, seeing the world for what it is does not equate to having teenage/infancy trauma. You are basically saying she is damaged for the things she is saying when most if not all she said had truth to it. But it goes right back to what I already said about basis
“So who is a real abuser here? And is it a name-calling to call a cat or a racist what they are?”—You are. It is name-calling no matter how you try to excuse it because you have no basis for calling them that. Now next time you want to ask for examples, stop being surprised and dismissive when they are provided.
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@sharinalr
‘So you checked the dictionary, presented the definition, and decided what you did does not fit the definition because of some bs religious views etc.?’
Nope. And the views I am referring to are not any bs (unlike the crabp you are so generously spreading here on the fan).
And I don’t have any intention to go on with this useless ranting of yours. I’m not so sick or drunk as u r… a Solitaire’s clone, I presume?
[Pls don’t bother to answer, for there will be no further comment on your bs from my part].
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@ A Russian Nagpo
If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
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@ Sharina
““So who is a real abuser here? And is it a name-calling to call a cat or a racist what they are?”—You are.”
Thank you! Seriously, he is a grown man crying and weeping and trying to portray himself as abused because a teenager spoke some real truths about the world. SMH.
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@Solitaire
If he is abused by stuff she said he obviously has read very little of abagond’s posts.
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@ A Russian Nagpo
“Nope”–Let me just go ahead and call you a straight out liar and quote your words. Here you state the definition: * “A name-calling is something abusive (which is not applicable here), or insulting”* Here you add your own definition: ” or making an addressee to experience bad feelings (or at least such is a definition applied in my tradition” Here is where you came to your own conclusion that it doesn’t fit because: ” but I doubt you or that nickname holder share my religious views, so it is not a ‘name-calling’ from my part”
“And the views I am referring to are not any bs (unlike the crabp you are so generously spreading here on the fan).”—Crap is the several posts you made of you being in your feelings and not based on the factual experiences of any one other than yourself. In fact I wager they are not your facts, but opinions.
“And I don’t have any intention to go on with this useless ranting of yours. I’m not so sick or drunk as u r… a Solitaire’s clone, I presume?”–Use that dictionary of yours to look up ranting. I am quite calm and have not used caps to indicate any behavior otherwise. At any rate you asked for examples of name calling and got it. Don’t be mad that you got exposed. Own it and move on. Solitaire is yet another individual who caught you, except she has been catching you all along.
“[Pls don’t bother to answer, for there will be no further comment on your bs from my part].”—Of course not. What person would rebuttal when they got caught.
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@Nagpo
Lol.
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@All
I am 18.
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@ofbordello
‘lol’ ¿what?
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Your blog cries about racism, yet here you are, generalizing white people.
Hypocrite.
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Is he wrong? There’s no such thing as racism against whites. Prejudice maybe but not racism. Whites invented racism. Funny how none of you want to take credit for the systems you put in place.
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“Your blog cries about racism, yet here you are, generalizing white people.
Hypocrite.” – James McDonald
Here you are complaining about what black people either complain or “cries” about. Your audacity level is astounding!
Spoken like a contemporary Overseer!
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The revered Gen. Lee thought with proper discipline black people could be graduated to a better life. He had the termerity to hold God in question as to his actions. What a bunch of bull!
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Well last week the occupant of the White House promoted this hateful rhetoric telling the Freshmen Congresswomen to go back where they came from, although they are Americans. And he especially expressed his vitriol against one of the Congresswomen who is from Somalia, even though she’s a naturalized American citizen. Now people are emboldened to tell people to go back to where they came from.
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Folks, the next time some ass***e tells you to go back to Africa respond with this; ‘There’s no return on stolen goods.’ If that doesn’t shut them up it will at least flummox the idiots.
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