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Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?

Why do many White Americans hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks? I am no scientist or scholar, but here is I how I currently think about it. This post is very much a work in progress.

There are plenty of things that keep white racist thinking in place:

  • Racist messages in jokes, history books, the news and on television, etc,
  • Material self-interest,
  • Fear of becoming an outcast among whites

and so on. But this is not the heart of the matter.

Not even material self-interest. After all, plenty of poor whites are racist. About all they have to show for it is this: “At least I’m not black.” And that gives it away: it is about white self-image.

My current understanding of the white self-image:

  1. Narcissism – having no true sense of self-worth they put up a false front to persuade the world, and most of all themselves, that they do have worth. They mainly do this through money, but also by putting down others to make themselves look better. Deep down they know the whole thing is a lie, which makes them all the more desperate to uphold the front.
  2. Dichotomous thinking – either/or thinking. Their films often have characters who are either all good or all evil. When you ask them about it they say that of course they know the world is not that simple, that it is just a storytelling device. Yet much of their thinking is very either/or, black-or-white. The One Drop Rule is a good example. So is their idea that they are Basically Good, getting upset when you point out anything that does not fit that overblown self-image. Like that maybe they are racist. Worst of all, it means they cannot accept people who are too different: if you are not the same as us then there must be something wrong with you. Either/or.
  3. Moral blindness - this is huge. Every single black person in the eyes of white people is the sign of a terrible crime from their ugly past, a reminder that their life is a fraud, that they are pretty much nothing more than armed robbers. But #1 and #2 make it hard for them to simply own up to their past and make it right. Instead they deny, shift blame, lie, twist facts and make black people into these creatures that they look down on, laugh at and yet, oddly, fear. It is a failed attempt to be at peace with themselves. This is why whites need to give reparations more than blacks need to receive it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with black people other than the bad patch of history they are going through, its side effects and the ordinary human failings. It is white people who have a deep crack in their souls.

I know that sounds extreme - partly because we have “white is right” pounded into our heads night and day – but their history shows that there is something seriously wrong with them.

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1,774 Responses

  1. on Fri 6 Jan 2012 at 17:24:29 Menelik Charles

    What, no mention of envy of Blacks? racial envy is the source of all white people’s issues with Blacks from castration to rape, and from segregation to discrimination.


  2. on Fri 6 Jan 2012 at 17:24:53 Menelik Charles

    I’m just saying


  3. I think on points 2 and 3 you are into it. Sometimes I wonder what in the state system, in the federal government system keeps up the racial segregation alive, why they still inquire your ethnicity in papers and such. Officially there is no such thing, hey, even the prez is black, but still: there is always the ethnicity epithet on everything. Same in the news media, entertainment, in everything. Why is this so important in USA in 2011???


  4. Yep, that DEFINITELY should be up there too.


  5. ENVY, that is.


  6. I’m reminded of this every day at work…the way I’m treated, compared with my co-workers, is sub-human at best. I see the backs of people’s heads as they walk by, as they do their utmost to not make eye contact with me because I might *GASP* say ‘hello’ to them or something! Being polite and cordial terrifies them, it seems…it’s truly INSANE.


  7. Simply put: people of European descent, especially those with formal education, are aware of their genetic inferiority, and have to resort to extreme measures to assert their dominance over people of color. Many act this out on a subconscious level and are, many times, unaware of this defect in their thinking.


  8. Sepultra, we are not talking about a misunderstood reaction to tattoos, piercings, or your perceived religious or political persuasion?
    Just asking to make sure,…


  9. This post does really need work.

    Anyway. Why do whites hate, disrespect and discriminate against blacks? It’s tied to the white superiority complex. The white man’s burden, if you must. Whites–going back to racialized science and history of the 18th and 19th century–taught that whites are the superior race and non-whites are savages. White people grew up learning about the advancements and histories of whites, while being taught that they’re superior since they invented all of what is called “civilization.”

    They believed it was their burden to civilize savages. Christianity didn’t help. It was used to justify slavery and anti-miscegenation, and enforce white superiority.

    When you grow up having power over others, it’s easy to disrespect those people and look down on them. After hundreds of years of disrespect, it’s hard to change.


  10. on Fri 6 Jan 2012 at 19:07:33 GrannyStandingforTruth

    Excellent post!


  11. I guess the question is asked in a way making it hard to answer, as I think fear is the answer, fear for black gangs, black rapists, fear for the other, fear for guilt, fear for the unknown, fear for ancestral guilt, fear for false accusations, fear for just accusations, going back to fear for slave rebellions.


  12. These people hate us like WE kidnapped them from Europe, ripped them away from their cultures, split apart their families, enslaved them, murdered them, raped the women, mutilated the men and enacted Jim Crow laws against them. It’s downright creepy. There’s also a pathological obsession with Black people that is hard to explain. I belong to a website for people of color to express dissent over the European power structure and when Europeans or European Americans drop by the first thing they rant is “Ni66er” this and that. It’s like the default racism is Black oriented. They never think about the others that they’ve crapped on the world over. It’s automatically Black people. I find this fixation extremely frightening. I think it is at a molecular level. Black people are the biggest biological threat to Europeans. They are a global minority that could be easily wiped out at the drop of a sperm or ovum…and no other sperm or ovum presents its physical phenotype as strongly as the Black human. I suspect that this is also why they feel the need to segregate themselves from others, no matter where on the globe they choose to migrate to and forcibly displace the original inhabitants. I truly believe that Europeans will never join the global community because it would ultimately mean their demise. Racism is in their genes. It acts as fail safe for racial preservation. I don’t know. I’m just thinking aloud right now.


  13. Why do many white Americans, hate, demonize, fear and look down on blackness?

    Because someone has to groom the next generation of little oppressors.


  14. Man I was just reading this great 1965 Ebony issue – “The White Problem in America”. I think you can find it here on Google books: http://bit.ly/xk6VYk

    The racial discord in America is propelled by the “fears and frailties” of white Americans because “the White American is a problem to himself and that because he is a problem to himself he has made others problems to themselves. When we say that the white American is a problem to himself we mean that racism is a reflection of personal and collective anxieties lodged deep in the hearts and minds of white Americans.”

    And that’s just the first page. Really great, hard-hitting stuff by Ebony on this topic.


  15. That picture is scary.

    Well, I think a lot of people are racist due to conditioning, upbringing and media influence. There are probabaly other factors that I haven’t added.

    Jealousy and envy as people already mentionedis another reason why.

    A lot of people who have negative stereotypes about black people hardly know any black people and even if they do, have been given a negative view of black people through the media, newspapers, magazines etc. All the way down to ideals of beauty and what beauty or lack of it, should look like.


  16. @Danila:

    That Ebony magazine link is great. Thank you!


  17. I’ll co-sign with “Strongblack” and “Mel”. It’s the irony of perceived superiority (genetics) and use of religion (non-White origin) that seals the deal for me…:/


  18. Abagond:

    Whites are not happy being white…Bottomline! If they were happy, they wouldn’t waste time trying to keep black people under their boot. Black people were brainwashed to think that white racism was always about whites viewing themselves as better than us…Wrong! If that was true, whites wouldn’t obsess over black folk as much as they do…Real Talk! Jealousy and envy is the issue that we often overlook. There is a reason why so many blackwomen were raped by white slaveholders. It wasn’t just about having control over blackwomen, sexual lust was a major factor as well. Abagond, white people don’t wanna get deep with it on this level. Tyrone doesn’t care about feelings, I gotta keep it funky at all times……Yessssssssss!

    Tyrone
    Black Eros Movement


  19. Every single black person in the eyes of white people is the sign of a terrible crime from their ugly past, a reminder that their life is a fraud, that they are pretty much nothing more than armed robbers.

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. I’ve never heard a single white person express this view. I’m sure there are white folks who believe this, but they have to be a tiny minority.

    You’ve always struck me as a sharp guy, so I’m surprised that you would err so completely with this observation.


  20. “These people hate us like WE kidnapped them from Europe, ripped them away from their cultures, split apart their families, enslaved them, murdered them, raped the women, mutilated the men and enacted Jim Crow laws against them.”

    Of course, you think about your enemies the way you think they think about you.


  21. @ Teddy

    I’m not understanding your reply. Elaborate please.


  22. Abagond,

    Dr. Frances Cress Welsing theorizes it best. Please look her up and maybe do a post about her. It’s “white genetic survival” even Mark Twain commented on the insecurity of white skin juxtaposed to “beautiful black skin”.


  23. Good post, very uncomfortable reading.

    It’s partly victim-blaming: the people on top want to believe we live in a fair world, therefore as the world clearly isn’t fair to POC there must be something wrong with them that caused it. But there’s more to it than that, because people who should understand all about victim blaming, like many white feminists, still manage to hold on to their racim.

    I think Mel‘s explanation is part of it too, but it doesn’t explain why it’s so hard for white people to rid themselves of their racism, why white people cling both conciously and subconciously onto their racist worldview.

    As for your points Abagond (thinking about whether they apply to my mindset, not disputing the general argument):
    1. Narcissism A year ago I’d have said it was ridiculous that any of my self-worth came from being white: after all I almost never thought about my whiteness. But the shame I feel at reading about more and more white atrocities against POC, and the confusion I feel about becoming ashamed of my race, suggests that whiteness was a more important part of my identity than I knew. Or maybe feeling ashamed is natural, but doesn’t necessarily mean I was proud of being white before… I’m not sure yet.

    2. Dichotomous thinking Yes. I can’t square “I am a racist” with “I am a good person” and I haven’t been willing to abandon the second one. I’ve currently fudged a compromise of “I am a racist, but it’s not my fault because I didn’t decide to be one, and I’m still a good person because now I know about it I’m trying to stop it.” It’s ridiculous, but hard to break out of this dichotomous thinking thing!

    3. Moral blindness I don’t understand what this paragraph is trying to say. Is it basically the same point as paragraph one? I understand the statement about reparations which you explained to me a while ago.Could you explain what you mean when you say moral blindness? I can’t find a good definition of this phrase.

    sepultura, I’m sorry about how your co-workers treat you, it must be so hard to have to deal with that every single day.


  24. No time now, but, if you know who did what to whom, even if you are pretty sure that your ancestors (barring the ancestors by rape) could not have been involved with slavery in any way for geo-historical reasons, but you know that you look like people whose ancestors did do those things, you have reason to fear the revenge of the black people.
    And as you, seeing yourself as innocent, fear that other people will see you as guilty based on your looks, you are very close to seeing them as equally guilty.


  25. @ Jessica, I agree.


  26. Abagond,

    There is a far more simple answer to your question.

    If you were to unload your question just a wee bit and instead asked your “average white person (AWP)” to rate their lifetime experience with blacks as either “bad, fair or good,” the majority would fall below the “fair” level.

    Now, you can chalk that up to “racism,” but who REALLY cares anymore?


  27. on Fri 6 Jan 2012 at 20:31:52 Jay from Philly

    The fear part is true. The rest isn’t. It’s because they’ve lived in a neighborhood where that nice Black couple moved in down the block. Then the second family moved in, and they weren’t so bad. Then the third and fourth moved in, and they didn’t mow their lawn, they parked in other people’s driveways, played loud music all night, invited sons and nephews and baby daddies to “stay” for a while since he had nowhere else to go after being let out of jail. Then the kids couldn’t play on the block anymore without being assaulted. Neighbor’s houses started getting broken into and car windows get smashed. The corner deli got robbed and the owner got shot. For Sale signs started going up and prices started to drop and Section 8 landlords swooped in bought up properties for cheap flooding the neighborhood with hoodrats. Next thing you know you’re underwater on your mortgage and a prisoner in your own home.

    The reverse is also true. They’ve bought a house in a really cheap neighborhood and get the stank-eye from your neighbors. They glare at you from the front stoop when you get home from work, throw trash on the ground in front of you when your sweeping up out front, and scream “AH KNOW YOU AIN’ MOVIN’ IN HEE-AH!”. Then you try to show up the community meeting where they talk over you, interrupt you, and say pass the sign-up lists away from you. Efforts to clean up that garbage-strewn vacant lot are met with “I’d rather have a drug-dealer selling out of there than a white person planting a community garden.” Your attempt to open a coffee shop is met with hysterical opposition and legal roadblocks thrown up by the poverty pimp councilwoman. That old lady in a red wig and robe gets all neck-rolling on you becayse the drug dealer you called the cops on was her boy Ray Ray who “wuz gettin his lahf tugevah”. Flyers are passed around of coffee shops and condos and cafes with outdoor seating with wording about how “HERE THEY COME” and what “the community” has to to do stop it. Then some would-be robbery victim shoots back and “the community” takes to the streets in protest of a white man defending himself.

    The first part happened in Grays Ferry. The second part is happening now in Point Breeze and around Temple.


  28. @ Randy

    “Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. I’ve never heard a single white person express this view. I’m sure there are white folks who believe this, but they have to be a tiny minority.

    You’ve always struck me as a sharp guy, so I’m surprised that you would err so completely with this observation.”

    Noone is referring to on the explicit level. What is unconscious and/or automatic/implict racism for $400 Alex. Is an indirect form that seeps through the cracks of the facade. Study up Randy etc.

    As a white person i recognize it in my own people. Time to wake up Randy. The time for denial/avoidance has reached its end.


  29. Ahhh, so it’s OUR fault that they hate us and have hated us for centuries way before “That old lady in a red wig and robe gets all neck-rolling on you becayse the drug dealer you called the cops on was her boy Ray Ray who “wuz gettin his lahf tugevah”.”

    First it was because we we uncivilized, then it was because we are subhuman, then less intelligent, then because we were born slaves. Funny how that works…..
    Real funny. I have a feeling that if we a model minority, then we would still be hated. Just like Asians who they claim to love but love to make fun of. To the point of trying to make their scholastic studiousness and intelligence a draw back. White people have never needed a reason to hate Blacks.


  30. Abagond,

    Another weakness in your theory is the lack of straightforward acknowledgement that our “white” perception of blacks didn’t start in some academic sense, but on the pee-wee football fields. It was further enhanced by infrequent trips to the “mall.” It advanced to the basketball courts starting our teenage years. It went from there. The “teaching of racism” was as invisible as you imagine.

    Bro… It’s like you live in your own self-created bubble. Separationist at heart. Preacher of integration in the public sphere.


  31. @ Menelik Charles

    Why do you think whites have racial envy of us? I’ve heard other Black people say this but for the life of me I don’t understand it. I mean, basically they have a lot of benefits in society that Blacks don’t have. Why would you be envious of someone who (in their opinion) is lesser than a sub human? I’m truly interested in what you or others have to say about racial envy.


  32. @ Abagond

    This post is a very interesting one. It’s a question that I (and probably many other Black people) have wondered about for many years. From the time that I first realized that someone could hate me just for the color of my skin (this happened to me at the tender age of eight) to the (almost) age of forty I have wondered why. I could see if I have done something to you but to just hate someone simply for being different doesn’t make sense. It’s someone already stated they act as if we made them endure the Middle Passage, slavery, Reconstruction, Jim Crow and Ronald Reagan.


  33. Another thing that I don’t understand is why a white person who is supposedly so superior to a subhuman Black would want to lie down with one. I truly don’t get that. Why would a white man or white woman want to mate with someone who comes from a group of people who (supposedly) lacks simple intelligence, is uncommonly ugly and has no moral standards? If I truly didn’t respect someone or their culture, I would not be trying to get intimate with that person let alone have children.


  34. I think it’s important to ask this simple question, what’s wrong with white people? I think this post answers that wholeheartedly.

    It’s not us or other POC with the problem. It’s white people with this extreme inferiority complex. This aversion to the truth about their history, and their constant convincing of being normal, good, or better than everyone else, doesn’t show how superior most of them think they are.


  35. @brothawolf:

    I remember a post saying something about white men taking the land from red men and forcing chained black men to work it. I can’t imagine feeling good or patriotic about something like that.


  36. mochasister:

    Yes, whites have access to money and power. It makes life easier for whites, but, that doesn’t have anything to do with race. Asian men have money and power, but, the women of their race are poached from them by other men. Blackmen have the least amount of wealth and power among all men, yet, blackmen love themselves the most because they’re black. It doesn’t matter how poor or rich a blackman may be, he’s a member of the “First Tribe” of humankind. That fact alone, gives blackmen bragging rights. Mochasister, do you have a clearer picture of the issue now? Never confuse wealth and race, not the same thing!!!

    Tyrone
    Black Eros Movement


  37. on Fri 6 Jan 2012 at 23:03:42 ArmChairPsycho

    I’ve read the wholesale mistreatment of blacks by whites is a sort of psychological defense mechanism. For whites to treat blacks as anything less than an abomination would be to concede their humanity and thus their inherent equality. And so to accept that fact in the face of the centuries of irrational hatred and unspeakable violence perpetrated by whites against people of color would be to confront their own obscenity to the degree that would shatter their collective psychic identity. In effect, their souls couldn’t bear it. Hence, the charade endures.


  38. As Abagond has frequently stated, there’s nothing wrong with black people!

    But there’s something wrong with white people.

    They follow a religion, though hardly anyone calls it that, called WHITENESS which encompasses the white racial frame which is basically how whites see themselves (good, normal, nice, etc) how they see the world (their oyster to do with as they please) and how they see black people (folks to look down on, blame and fear).

    And yes, as a collective they do have a crack in their souls which is why I continue to state:

    WHITENESS IS DEMONIC!

    It alters/harms/ruins the psyche of the card carrying members of the white club/religion. WHITENESS causes them to sever their spiritual/psychic bond/connection to other HUMANS that are people of color.

    White people shooting at unarmed black victims of Katrina attempting to cross a bridge into another (white) township to alleviate their suffering …

    White people BOMBING an American community known as the Black Wall Street ..

    And on and on.
    Whiteness is demonic. There is not one good thing about Whiteness!
    Nothing, nada, zilch!

    @ Jay & Thor
    Why are you people even on this site???
    What’s your purpose for coming here?


  39. I do’nt know the race of the children/parents, or of the school district members and teachers, but I thought this was despicably interesting.
    —————————————————————————–

    Parents outraged after homework assignment refers to slavery,… | http://www.wsbtv.com

    Slavery homework assignment

    Several Gwinnett parents contacted Channel 2 Action News in outrage after their children brought home a math assignment that referenced slavery and beatings.

    Christopher Braxton talked with Channel 2’s Kerry Kavanaugh and said he couldn’t believe it when he read his 8-year-old son’s math homework Wednesday.

    “It kind of blew me away,” Braxton said. “Do you see what I see? Do you really see what I see? He’s not answering this question.”

    The question was a word problem that said, “Each tree had 56 oranges. If eight slaves pick them equally, then how much would each slave pick?”

    Another math problem said, “If Frederick got two beatings per day, how many beatings did he get in 1 one week?”

    “I was furious at that point in time,” Braxton said.


  40. :o

    Roach said the administration will work with teachers on how to develop better questions that are “meaningful and appropriate.”

    That’s what the spokeswoman has to say about this??


  41. (That was meant to be a shocked face, it looks more smiley than I expected.)


  42. For those whites that are out and out racist and not just have one random prejudice but basically as a consistent behavior on some conscious or subconscious level.

    Well; from what I’ve gathered, I want to say on this blog but it could be elsewhere, racism first really started out at about the same time people started enslaving via race instead of humanity in general.

    And there’s this thing about a goat experiment, also can’t remember if it was here or elsewhere that I heard about it. Where these guys in the military had to do various tests and experiments on goats, and far as everybody knew, none of them had any specific phobias or dislikes of goats before they started doing it.

    But it wasn’t long into the tests that apparently the various people involved in it started having negative opinions about goats, they are dirty etc….and so on.

    Basically they know they have to do bad things against them, so they give themselves negative opinions of them so they can feel justified and not morally repulsed by their actions.


  43. @Oyan,

    I think the “math” problems are deliberate. We’ve moved into an era where ppl believe it’s their RIGHT to offend black people because it fits into the larger philosophical point they think they need to make: our culture is too PC.

    I can’t imagine how anyone writing these problems couldn’t look at them and see something wrong. It must be a case of wilful blindness.


  44. @Nom De Plume

    You’re right, but they have means that helps them feel good and patriotic despite those facts. The same means should be used to heel those who are the victims of the past and present. This is how sick this society truly is whether they want to admit it or not.

    @Matari

    There’s no other way to put it. Whiteness IS demonic indeed. It’s pure hell inflicted on nonwhites. And the reason why Jay and Thor come here is because they don’t have anything better to do and they too are suffering from a major case of mental whiteness. Why else would they come to this blog and say the usual lines over and over again knowing most people, including Abagond, will never agree with them?


  45. In America, much of the racism is heavily laced with classism. Many white ppl just want somebody to feel better than so they can artificially inflate their self-esteem.

    p.s. Does anybody know what happened to the commenter King?


  46. sepultura13
    I’m reminded of this every day at work…the way I’m treated, compared with my co-workers, is sub-human at best. I see the backs of people’s heads as they walk by, as they do their utmost to not make eye contact with me because I might *GASP* say ‘hello’ to them or something! Being polite and cordial terrifies them, it seems…it’s truly INSANE.\
    —————————————————————————————————

    Mostly every job I’ve had was ‘this environment.’ At my current place of empoyment, yesterday at the all faculty meeting, a woman in my division walked around in our meeting with a pen(?) that had a large doll like head of one of those minstrel faces from the 1920’s of a black face, with large white lips and large bulging white eyes. A black employee walked over to her and asked her what it was, and she proudly responds, oh, my significant other got this for me, and look what it does, to which the white employee held it up in the black employees face, and clicked the object, to which it lit up, from its eyes. This object was both a pen and flashlight. Very offensive.
    She walked around with it all day in her hand.


  47. “After all, plenty of poor whites are racist. About all they have to show for it is this: “At least I’m not black.” And that gives it away: it is about white self-image.”

    Is it White self-image or White privilege?

    If a poor White man and a rich Black man are standing on opposing corners at 3am and a cop drives by, who is more likely to draw the attention of the police?

    No matter how poor, being White has its privileges, don’t you think?


  48. @ commentarybyvalentina

    I agree about the fact of white privilege even for poor whites, but I doubt many poor whites themselves see it that way, at least not at the level of material self-interest, which is what I was arguing.


  49. @ Randy

    “Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. I’ve never heard a single white person express this view. I’m sure there are white folks who believe this, but they have to be a tiny minority.

    You’ve always struck me as a sharp guy, so I’m surprised that you would err so completely with this observation.”

    I never said they express that view. To the contrary, I said they avoid it with lies, twisted facts, stereotypes and all the rest. It is from the way they avoid it that I know they know it and know that it makes them uncomfortable.

    If we assume you are right then we would have to conclude that whites are either not terribly bright (they do not understand how and why blacks got to America) or they are (and this could be true, unfortunately) even more breathtakingly delusional and heartless than I suspected.


  50. @ ArmChairPsycho:

    You know just where I am coming from.

    @ darqbeauty

    Right, it has nothing to do with what black people are doing or failing to do, now or in the past.


  51. @ cj-canadian

    The Reckless Tortuga videos on racism are great.


  52. The more I read this blog, the more it seems like a psychology experiment to me. Maybe, it’s just the way the blog comes across to me.

    When reading here, I always feel that I should be on my guard. I think it’s a TRUST issue.


  53. @ Jessica

    Yes, I will have to read her.


  54. @ Sarah

    “Could you explain what you mean when you say moral blindness? I can’t find a good definition of this phrase.”

    I should probably do a post on it since I bring it up quite a bit.

    Moral blindness is where you are blind to the evil you do or which is done in your name. You lie to yourself, rationalize, minimize, remain wilfully ignorant, blame the victim, etc.


  55. @ Sarah

    “I think Mel‘s explanation is part of it too, but it doesn’t explain why it’s so hard for white people to rid themselves of their racism, why white people cling both conciously and subconciously onto their racist worldview.”

    Right, which is why I think it is more than simple brainwashing and ignorance. It is extremely resistant to facts. It is too deeply held for that.


  56. @darqbeauty
    “Ahhh, so it’s OUR fault that they hate us and have hated us for centuries way before.”

    I dont think so, not about that centuries way before. For most of history slavery was accepted, and it has known many different forms, Hating slaves as a group did not make sense at all, it is as stupid as hating sheep. Dehumanizing them, making the free people, no matter how poor, feel in the same class as the slave owners, to prevent a revolution of the combined slaves and paupers against the powerfull slave owning class, makes perfect sense. I am afraid that this system of keeping the low low by playing the different low classes, is still very much alive.


  57. playing the different low classes against eachother, of course.


  58. @Tyrone
    “There is a reason why so many blackwomen were raped by white slaveholders. It wasn’t just about having control over blackwomen, sexual lust was a major factor as well.”

    I know that black boys are taught from a young age that black women must be kept on a pedestal and continually told how wonderful they are. Even so, women don’t really like this. For some reason, it makes us less attracted to you when you do this.


  59. “I know that black boys are taught from a young age that black women must be kept on a pedestal and continually told how wonderful they are.”

    Who told you this? How do you know this?

    Sometimes I read comments on this blog and have to just burst out laughing. Getting a good laugh is one of the reasons I probably return here too often.

    In the meantime…..No mention of the Diana Abbott tweets about “divide and conquer” and current Labour controversy, seeing as it is so relevant to this blog and its topics.


  60. Abagond,

    I guarantee that the majority of what you are referring to is a combination of moral blindness and simple ignorance. Since the majority of whites remain unaffected by racism today and yesterday, they have little to point out about it except that they are not!!!

    Now to the point i am guilty of bringing up too frequently:

    What is preventing you from summarizing the main points of your blog in a manifesto and having your followers forward it to as many organizations and institutions as possible around the country? I know i would damn well do that bc i believe that a manifesto needs to be written so that every time these act of moral blindness etc. are pulled publicly/privately Blacks, Whites etc. can refer to such a document and say this is what you’re doing and its been done ad nauseum by other white oppressors. Here is the document that proves it.

    Just a thought! Bc i really feel that evry person needs access to such a resource. Otherwise they are doomed to repeating the mistakes of the same ignorant/morally blind family/community members that do the same shit.

    It is like a constitution!


  61. @Happiness, maybe you should assume that Lara has a sense of humor, and merely indicates that women do not like it at all when mentioning a historical desire to rape them is considered as a compliment.


  62. Things white people like to do:

    Be in charge/center stage – by telling black people how they should go about combating white racism practiced by OTHER WHITES by writing a manifesto/constitution.

    News Flash:
    Someone needs to read Racism 101
    -especially the part where it says that it’s white people’s primary RESPONSIBILITY to get other white people to STOP BEING RACIST. This is not the responsibility of black people, or other POC.

    http://resistracism.wordpress.com/racism-101/


  63. teddy,
    I do have a sense of humor, but my comment was serious. Actually men rape women for two reasons, they are attracted to her or they want to punish her men.
    From what I’ve heard, black women don’t exactly play hard to get. I just don’t buy this myth that black women were quaking in fear when a white man showed up.


  64. @oyan:

    I don’t know the race of the children/parents, or of the school district members and teachers, but I thought this was despicably interesting.

    Parents outraged after homework assignment refers to slavery

    —-

    I found the vid.


  65. “Who told you this? How do you know this?”

    Black men are constantly talking about how wonderful, beautiful, and strong black women are. It seems like they are afraid to criticize them, and are over the top in their praise. I’m glad white men don’t do this, because I don’t like being idealized like that.


  66. Aside from a psychological need to justify their actions or simply to feel better about themselves I would say ignorance.

    Black people are basically foreign, the other,exotic, not many white people have much of any interaction at all with black people, admitably much of that may simply be by choice but it still has the consequence of not knowing anything about that group they are not interacting/avoiding.

    At least not on any real level.

    That said; one of the most racist people I know gets along with black people and interacts with them fairly well, he just rarely slips up around them about it.

    And ultimately because they actually believe these things, they’ve been told this misinformation their entire lives by their parents, tv, etc….and they’ve simply never questioned it.

    Much like most peole don’t question their religion or historical and scientific teachings at school, they just process it, go on with their lives and rarely honestly think about it to the point its almost instinct.

    Then of course factor in tribalism, nationalism etc…..many times minorities retain differences in their culture as compared to the main stream.

    Which sure; they should be able to keep that connection but it also means that you are yourself defining and demonstrating to be “the other” by not becoming totally assimilated.

    Though being a different race thats pretty much a given anyways.


  67. @Lara

    “Black men are constantly talking about how wonderful, beautiful, and strong black women are.”

    Well, black women have to be strong with all the BS that we have to put up with such as rumours, false information, tyrants, stereotypes, overexaggerated lies told about us everyday.

    In fact, it is a black man’s responsibility to uplift black women instead of going around saying bad stuff about us, as if everyone else doesn’t do a fine job of that already.

    Anyway, go and watch some videos on YouTube, you don’t always see black men saying good things about black women.

    In the meantime….Back to Diana Abbott, why is everyone jumping on that woman….When white politicians say racist stuff, everyone just brushes it off as though it is nothing and they never say “apologise or resign” to any of those people. The main problem with being a politician is that you are under somebody’s thumb, you can’t say what you want to say without everyone wanting to jump on you and eat you…..I hate that.

    @teddy1975

    Why should a black woman, white woman or any woman find it a compliment that a brutish male wants to rape them? That just means that the creature, regardless of colour, cannot control himself. It’s a matter of self-control.

    There also seems to be a lot of these stalker-like men prowling the streets as well. Self defence is important against a maniac/nutcase.


  68. Beats me, Happiness, that was the way I read Tyrone’s comment.


  69. I wouldn’t call rape a matter of self-control, most of them have plenty of thought about who it is they rape.

    Usually go for the victims least likely to report to the police, friends, family, children etc…..

    They aren’t people who lack self-control; they’re just people who like hurting and raping others to feel a sense of domination.

    So I was thinking about Kenya Moore/other black women suggested for the part and their multiracial features and its not really fair to call black people self-hating for liking those who are multiracial, in the US most black people are multiracial so of course thats what they are attracted to.


  70. Totally wrong post; that was supposed to go on the Zula one, inregards to the Kenya Moore bit.


  71. Happiness,
    I generally find it is nerdy black men who treat black women like queens.
    I’ve listened to a show from someone named Thugtician, who is very critical of black women. He is too harsh, but my guess is black women behave like ladies in front of him.


  72. @ Matari:

    News Flash:
    Someone needs to read Racism 101
    -especially the part where it says that it’s white people’s primary RESPONSIBILITY to get other white people to STOP BEING RACIST. This is not the responsibility of black people, or other POC.

    http://resistracism.wordpress.com/racism-101/

    Amen!!!


  73. @Lara,

    Was that on YouTube? The Thugtician?

    Ok, I just looked him up on YouTube, they have closed his account.

    I think a lot of black guys treat women like queens not just the nerdy ones, just a matter of finding the right one really. Anyway, if a man is constantly criticising black women then I don’t bother to go to their channel again. There was someone like that on YouTube, blocked and deleted, he was always rude and annoying as well. Also, I tend to avoid those types of videos.

    @V-4
    “They aren’t people who lack self-control; they’re just people who like hurting and raping others to feel a sense of domination.”

    That’s true. I guess a rapist knows why they commit this crime. I was watching a video on YouTube of a mass murderer who had been killing people, they were talking to him in jail, he looked normal as well and was well educated. I think he was executed, I didn’t watch the whole video though.


  74. What is preventing you from summarizing the main points of your blog in a manifesto and having your followers forward it to as many organizations and institutions as possible around the country?

    Doh-re-me. You see it is like this, will he get paid? This is very time consuming and expensive, that which you propose. Perhaps you can set up a fund?

    I know i would damn well do that bc i believe that a manifesto needs to be written so that every time these act of moral blindness etc. are pulled publicly/privately Blacks, Whites etc. can refer to such a document and say this is what you’re doing and its been done ad nauseum by other white oppressors.

    From personal experience, they will do the following; Accuse this ‘manifesto’ of being ‘racist’ as it describes modes of speech and behaviour which occur daily;but it will be the blacks who are racists. Flipping the script seems to be something they are adroit at. White folks feelings have been hurt by this! This manifesto you propose will be branded a left wingnut, politically correct by a nigra who 1. Doesn’t know his place. 2. As per Randy, a sharp nigra. 3. He has hurt a lot of white folks feelings and sensibilities with his posts. 4. doesn’t know his place. 6. Once such a manifesto was sent to ‘institutions they would probably send the CIA or the National Enquirer(same things) after him. 7. One would have to have an inkling, just an inkling mind you, as to what he is trying to put across. My guess is that most don’t, this is evinced by many of the obtuse posters this blog has had in the past and currently has, who argue the inarguable. 8. He doesn’t know his place.


  75. Happiness,
    My guess is black women got him shut down. Rule number one of PC is, don’t ever criticize black women, they are perfect.


  76. @Lara

    I’m glad white men don’t do this, because I don’t like being idealized like that.

    Is this your experience? No-one has ever treated you as if/told you that you were special or put you up on a pedestal? Often, this happens whether we ‘court’ it or not. You cant literally ‘demand’ that people think like this. But I must say, no wonder your posts often read as though you are resentful towards BW.

    I can understand the pressure that might be felt with being idealised but I dont think it follows to the same degree in ‘day to day’ life i.e. people idealise celebrities as they are ‘sold’ a particular image about that individual but we dont really ‘know’ that person. In ‘reality’ people are much more accessible and their good points and flaws become apparent much more readily.

    My guess is black women got him shut down. Rule number one of PC is, don’t ever criticize black women, they are perfect

    You think BW are that powerful? Some people strive for perfection and like to be respected for this and why not. Maybe you feel that you’re not worth the effort but not everyone thinks like that.


  77. @ Abagond,
    Most whites fear, demonize and hate blacks for one simple reason:
    It’s all they have.

    Self esteem, or lack thereof, is the reason why people hate. Whites were oppressed in their own land, hated their own lives, hated their women and ultimately, themselves.

    Slavery was a great way to feel better about their dullness, lack of culture, lack of thanksgiving, lack of life…
    You will never find an answer to this, my friend.
    It exists because it can. And, sadly, it will never end.

    Menelik charles is correct. Envy is a HUGE part of this hatred. Whites lack culture, so they adapt to the culture of others. They lack style, so they want our style, our dress. They lack dance, music, aging gracefully, food, soul, our bodies…so they want ours. They are reeling from this ” disconnect ” because they have nothing that makes their lives meaningful.

    Oh…wait…they have money.
    So what?
    At the end of they day, they are still left wanting.

    This hatred of blacks comes from hatred of themselves.


  78. @V-4

    ‘…one of the most racist people I know gets along with black people and interacts with them fairly well, he just rarely slips up around them about it.’

    —-

    I don’t doubt it. It’s the most dangerous kind of racism, IMO. It’s the ‘smile in your face/stab you in the back’ kind. He may not slip up around them now, but he eventually will. It always comes out in one way or another.


  79. @ Nom de Plume

    The ” smile in your face, stab you in the back” kind is heavily seen in the workplace.
    Most blacks are very aware of this hypocrisy. Whites have no trouble playing a round of pool / golf with the person they are about to slaughter.

    I tried to have white friends in the past. At work and outside of work. Race always come up in the most uncomfortable fashion.
    The Obama campaign taught me a lesson I’ll never forget.


  80. Truthbetold,
    Thinking everyone is jealous of you is probably the reason you have trouble making and keeping friends.
    Demerera,
    Many black women are more confident than they should be. They are behind on every measure of success, and yet have sky high self esteem. Why?


  81. @Truthbetold:

    The ” smile in your face, stab you in the back” kind is heavily seen in the workplace.
    —-

    I know all too well. I have more than a few scars.


  82. “Slavery was a great way to feel better about their dullness, lack of culture, lack of thanksgiving, lack of life…”

    Or maybe they just needed the cotton picked.


  83. @ Lara,
    Why do you insist on coming here? You are purposefully twisting words and ultimately missing the point. Please see example #3 of this blog.

    @ Nom de Plume
    I too have scars. That’s why I now work mostly from home.


  84. What point have I missed? You said that white people lack style, culture, dancing ability, musical ability, good bodies, good food, aging gracefully and soul. You said we are dull.


  85. “I too have scars. That’s why I now work mostly from home.”

    I thought black women were strong.


  86. @Lara

    Many black women are more confident than they should be. Compared to who – you? As stated previously, just because you have decided not to make an effort yourself doesnt mean others should follow.

    They are behind on every measure of success, and yet have sky high self esteem.
    I think its already been established that you dont know any BW Lara so I am at a loss here as to who you are comparing yourself with. Don’t forget, you openly admitted frequenting an online dating site that boasts that it is ‘number one for sugar daddies’ so perhaps we can deduce that you yourself have not reached any measure of success and need a man with deep pockets to support you.

    Why? Why not?


  87. @ Brothawolf,
    The inferiority complex is the underlying reason why we are made into demons.
    Remember the resturant scene in Scarface?
    Tony Montana said society needs people like him so they could point their fingers and say that’s the bad guy.

    Whites need us a lot more than we need them. Without us, they would lack a comparison.


  88. “Whites need us a lot more than we need them. Without us, they would lack a comparison.”

    And without us, you would lack indoor plumbing.


  89. @ Lara,
    Last week, I wrote to Jay from philly on another subject who has ideas shockingly similar to yours. I wonder if there’s a secret club…?

    I will not respond to your particular brand of ” dialogue” anymore.


  90. @ Truthbetold, oyan, and Nom De Plume:

    Sounds like we bear the same scars. Two sayings come to mind:

    “Damned if you do; damned if you don’t.”
    “I must be a mushroom – I’m kept in the dark and fed a diet of shit.”

    This is what the workplace is like, whether the environment is white-collar or blue. It’s frustrating.


  91. @Lara

    “I too have scars. That’s why I now work mostly from home.”

    I thought black women were strong.

    By admitting that someone has been ‘scarred’ by past events suddenly makes them weak?

    Seriously Lara, I have suggested it before but, I honestly get the sense that you have a masochistic personality. You come on here and contribute to conversations with people that, in your day to day life, seem to leave you reeling with confusion, resentment and envy and more than once, you have alluded to the fact that you dont respond well (inwardly) to being treated ‘nicely’. You seem to be oblivious to the fact that your posts reflect extremely low self esteem and instead, you make your comments and asides to genuine posters who come on here to engage and interact.

    You can’t get frustrated by those who want to be treated decently and respectfully just because you seem to have come to terms with the fact that you dont like/dont deserve to be revered.


  92. Demerera,
    If you have a problem with someone at work, you deal with it like an adult and continue to show up to do your job. You don’t request to work at home like a fragile little flower.


  93. @Demerera
    “You can’t get frustrated by those who want to be treated decently and respectfully just because you seem to have come to terms with the fact that you dont like/dont deserve to be revered.”

    Being treated decently and respectfully, does not mean no one is ever allowed to criticize you. Black women actually used to be kind of admirable, not anymore.


  94. Lara said:
    “Black women actually used to be kind of admirable, not anymore.”

    MMM I wonder why that is? could it be that they have been so mistreated that they no longer feel obligated to be nice to people anymore?

    In your opinion, why do you think black women use to be admirable? is it because you ‘nice’ white people had your way with them? what changed?


  95. Sounds like Lara would be more comfortable at Stormfront. I wonder why is she here. What is she getting from visiting this blog other than telling Black women that we aren’t shit and have too high self esteem issues. “Curiouser and curioser..”


  96. Never mind I don’t want to hear your opinion.


  97. @Lara

    Being treated decently and respectfully, does not mean no one is ever allowed to criticize you

    I agree but, just say for one minute, that the kind of criticism you are facing is unjust? Are you not allowed to respond to that?

    Black women actually used to be kind of admirable, not anymore

    I guess this is following emancipation…..this must have been such a bind to those who expected people to ‘know their place’…


  98. Many black women are more confident than they should be. They are behind on every measure of success, and yet have sky high self esteem. Why?

    Because they aren’t you ‘Lara’.

    Or maybe they just needed the cotton picked.

    Too bad you weren’t around then! You could have shown them how to do it. Better yet, they may not have even needed slaves with people like yourself; clowns and buffoons. They wouldn’t have gotten much ‘cotton picked’ though as they’d be too busy laughing. You put paid to the notion of white supremacy.

    Please see example #3 of this blog.

    Maybe ‘Lara’ makes these remarks to illustrate these points.

    What point have I missed?

    You didn’t miss the point, you missed the ship!

    And without us, you would lack indoor plumbing.

    Why? Did you invent indoor plumbing? Stop taking credit for inventions you had nothing to do with. The good ol ‘White Inventor Argument’. ‘Lara’, you are a comedian!


  99. Aba,
    Even if whites pay reparations, that could not repay over 450 years of pain and struggle. Opportunities lost, souls destroyed, countless families gone. Most blacks can’t even trace their family tree…I know I can’t. My grandmother was forced to leave her home and put on some reservation on N. Dakota.
    I can’t imagine how they could ever say, ” I’m sorry.”

    And to be honest, I don’t know if ” I’m sorry ” will do…

    Most whites hold on to their white pride like a badge of honour. No matter how bad things get in their lives, at least they have white skin.


  100. @ Truthbetold
    Europeans will NEVER give reparations because they would then have to start doling out reparations to everyone. The Tazmanians, the Australian Aborigines, the Native Americans, the Native Canadians, the South Africans, the Japanese, ect. They don’t have enough money in the world to pay for their global terrorism. There’s not enough water on Earth to wash away the collective blood on their hands.


  101. Darqbeauty

    Actually, Lara has been seen on Unamused’s blog which is like Stormfront.


  102. Truthbetold,

    Exactly. Whites need us to be their punching bags.


  103. @Nana
    “Could it be that they have been so mistreated that they no longer feel obligated to be nice to people anymore?”

    Actually, it’s the exact opposite. Black women have been beyond reproach for some time now, and this had made them insufferable. Older black women are usually nice and pleasant. The young ones are not.


  104. Actually, it’s the exact opposite. Black women have been beyond reproach for some time now, and this had made them insufferable. Older black women are usually nice and pleasant. The young ones are not.

    Lara, seriously, why are you here?


  105. @ Darqbeauty

    Yes. You are correct. This is why they live mostly with the lies they tell themselves.


  106. “Lara, seriously, why are you here?”

    Because I want to be. Why are you here?


  107. We are here because this is SUPPOSED to be a safe place for us to discuss issues at hand without being subject to the condescension of people such as yourself.
    As my mother says “We can’t have NOTHIN’.”


  108. Wow. I wonder how black folks feel when they hear racist white people say “Why do all black people…[insert whatever hateful gross generalization such as "smoke crack/have babies out of wedlock/take welfare instead of a paycheck"]?”

    Generalizations = Ignorance

    The fact is, poor black people and poor white people have more in common (and often know it) than they do with their wealthier counterparts. I promise you, many, many whites are too busy trying to hold their day to day lives together to spend time plotting ways to destroy or undermine black people.

    And one of the reasons no one is getting reparations from slavery is because of the difficulty in deciding who deserves what/how much. Does an American who descended from 18th century slaves deserve more than a child of a 1st generation African immigrant?

    My Nigerian husband’s great-grandfather was kidnapped as a boy by family enemies (other Nigerians) and taken to be sold to traders. He was rescued before he was sold, but who was the bigger monster? The buyer or the seller?

    Anyone who thinks evil descended and is perpetrated only from white people refuses to see the real truth: evil lurks in the heart of all. Specific instances of racism, hatred and disrespect should be called out when it’s safe to do so. When it’s not, it’s everyone’s responsibility to bring it to the attention of the entire community (not just close friends) so the perpetrators can be punished and/or isolated.


  109. Lara, seriously on behalf of the morally unblinded white population (i.e. me), get the &*^% out of here. Your contempt for people of colour is transparent. You perpetuate ugly and outdated myths about people of colour. And you are clearly morally bankrupt and altogether ignorant. In other words, a pest that would have no future in a just society.

    Read books by the innumerable black scholars/historians/authors. Do rereading of African/American/W. European history. And reach out into the community. There is more that you could learn than you would ever imagine. Especially, since your current state is less than nil. It’s dangerously misinformed.


  110. I see someone is using the Arab slave trader argument. The topic at hand is why WHITES demonize Blacks. No one here is saying that other people don’t do this. We are speaking of the subject at hand.


  111. @ INJen

    I see your point and it’s a very good one.
    But to counter point, the Jews were offered an apology with reparations.
    The reason why so many whites remain silent about overt racism is because of fear of being ostracized by their own community.

    I believe the reason why blacks will never get any kind of meaningful reparations is because we are still seen as subhuman whilst Jews (mostly) identify as white.


  112. @INJen;

    The fact is, poor black people and poor white people have more in common (and often know it) than they do with their wealthier counterparts.

    —-

    Yet time and time again many poor white people will vote against their own interests.

    @INJen:

    Specific instances of racism, hatred and disrespect should be called out when it’s safe to do so.

    —-

    Agreed.

    @INJen:

    When it’s not, it’s everyone’s responsibility to bring it to the attention of the entire community (not just close friends) so the perpetrators can be punished and/or isolated.

    —-

    If that only worked. Oftentimes when racism is brought up to the “entire community,” people will still deny that racism was involved, and the person with the complaint will be accused of ‘playing the race card.’ I’ve seen it too many times. When you say, “…so the perpetrators can be punished an/or isolated,” this indicates to me that you personally have not experienced anti-black racism. A person who has, IMO, would not make such an assertion because they know it is not reality.


  113. @ Nom De Plume

    All excellent points! Well said!!!
    An example of this is all the backlash directed at Michelle Obama for urging kids to eat healthy and exercise.

    When certain white racists make ugly remarks about her looks / body and some people point out that racism is the foundation, after all noone said a word about Nancy Regan’s ” Just say NO! ” , the offenders are quick to point out that it is the offended that’s playing the race card.


  114. @ INJen

    “Wow. I wonder how black folks feel when they hear racist white people say “Why do all black people…[insert whatever hateful gross generalization such as "smoke crack/have babies out of wedlock/take welfare instead of a paycheck"]?””

    I never said ALL whites. But it is a fact that MOST White Americans do at least one of the things in the title. It is not some gross generalization on my part or the mass hallucination of black people. It is a fact of sociology:

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/colour-blind-racism-the-four-frames/

    “Anyone who thinks evil descended and is perpetrated only from white people refuses to see the real truth: evil lurks in the heart of all.”

    I never said that whites are the ONLY ones who have done evil in the world. But so far as Black and White Americans are concerned the evil done by others is not the main issue. If you run over my dog, telling me that dogs get hit and killed all the time just makes you look like a cold-hearted jerk. Likewise if your husband sleeps with another woman and then tells you, “Get over it, men do it all the time.”


  115. @truthbetold:

    I think many whites believe that in order to be racist, one has to call black people the “N” word to their face, burn crosses in people’s yards, display swastikas, etc. POC understand that oftentimes racism is displayed in more subtle ways, which can make it more challenging to prove…and more easy to deny.

    As for the First Lady, you”re right. Occasionally I listen to talk radio. You wouldn’t believe the vitriol out there. I’m amazed at how often they make fun of her appearance and call her “uppity,” a word that has racial undertones here in the U.S. Is that all they can come up with? No other First Lady has been attacked in this way, nor has any President. How many Presidents can you think of who have been asked to show their birth certificates?


  116. Inregards to jews and reperations; there are a whole lot less Jews than Black People in the US, probably alot less globally then there are Black People in the US.

    I remember hearing the US has more Athiests in it than the world has Jews.
    And its not like the US has a boat load of Athiests.

    Basically its way cheaper; I remember a statement that supposedly even if we just gave comparable reperations to black people as we have the indians the price would still go up into the trillions of dollars due to the difference in size between the two groups.

    Not that it couldn’t be done; it just wouldn’t be cheap.

    When people such as Lara etc….make the comment or some variation of, that black women are hard to get along with I always find that strange.

    I’ve always got along with them well enough; be polite to them and they are polite back to you the vast majority of the time, thats regardless of whether they like you or not.

    Pretty much applies to humanity as a whole.


  117. @Lara

    Because I want to be. Why are you here?

    I’m here to learn something. What’s your excuse?

    All you’re doing is illustrating the topic at hand. You’ve brought nothing – absolutely nothing constructive to the conversation. You’ve shown that you have a trace of narcissism and moral blindness with every comment you make. No one with an open mind takes you seriously. The only reason why you continue to show up is because you have yet to say something that would get you banned here. (I hope you will)

    Anyway, whiteness trumps humanity from what I’ve seen. Whites and POC who are sick with whiteness will display the usual symptoms all for the objective of putting down other POC, including their own, and putting whites on some pedestal. It’s never about doing the right thing, but doing what’s right for white people.


  118. @Herneith

    “From personal experience, they will do the following; Accuse this ‘manifesto’ of being ‘racist’ as it describes modes of speech and behaviour which occur daily;but it will be the blacks who are racists. Flipping the script seems to be something they are adroit at. White folks feelings have been hurt by this! This manifesto you propose will be branded a left wingnut, politically correct by a nigra who 1. Doesn’t know his place. 2. As per Randy, a sharp nigra. 3. He has hurt a lot of white folks feelings and sensibilities with his posts. 4. doesn’t know his place. 6. Once such a manifesto was sent to ‘institutions they would probably send the CIA or the National Enquirer(same things) after him. 7. One would have to have an inkling, just an inkling mind you, as to what he is trying to put across. My guess is that most don’t, this is evinced by many of the obtuse posters this blog has had in the past and currently has, who argue the inarguable. 8. He doesn’t know his place”

    And all of that is (99% chance) very well going to be true. Nonetheless, we (meaning anyone that is anyone) need to INSTRUCT others how we are to be treated.

    This is not to say that that instruction has been missing. I reassert this: I am not shifting the blame on people of colour. What i am trying to say is that in a perfect world we would never need to say it in a way that white people understand. However, unfortunately the world we live in is one wherein we have to accommodate the IDIOT-syncracies of the educate the uneducated and suffer the insufferable.

    This refers wholly to white people bc the alternative is being in a state of constant conflict bc of their inability to appreciate the beauty/genius/languages etc that is black people. So others have to teach them.

    Once a lesson plan has been written by someone on this board (i.e. any of the posters or owner of the site) or someone else thereafter, it is up to the rest of social justice minded individuals to have the fight on our backs for that effort. Executing the plan and addressing the misinformed and bigoted (i.e. any of those that come on this board or the hundreds of millions of whites across the world).

    This is why i restate: It is the responsibility of a leader amongst the black community to write a declaration to the of racism. And then it is up to anyone who hopes for a better future to execute this dream.

    JT


  119. @Nom de plume

    Most of these poor whites will side with rich, powerful whites based on the association of white skin. They see them as people who have their best interest at heart even though they will get shafted in the end like black and brown folks. Still, they will point to the problems of society on black and brown people and never at the rich and powerful white men.

    Also, whites have been taught in one way or another about what’s good and what’s bad when it comes to race. Whites who mean well believe that racism involves name calling, hate groups, and crimes against blacks. They were also taught that it existed heavily in the past and that it rarely happens today. Those who still commit to those acts are ousted by other whites. They don’t want to be associated with them which is funny considering how all blacks must take responsibility for a crime against a white person by one or a few blacks.

    Now, at the same time they are taught about their many accomplishments, inventions, and heroes, and are shown how they are superior in subtle ways all the time. They see their faces as positive images everywhere. They are told that they are “normal” people, that they are basically good, and that only they have what it takes to make it in society.

    However, what many of these white folks don’t know is that racism is also systematic or institutional, that history plays an important part on how society operates today, that they have many privileges based on their skin, and that they live in a society of white supremacy and they live in a bubble of sorts.

    Some of them don’t know it. Some of them know it, but don’t care. Some of them believe they are victims of racism against them. And some of them don’t want to know it. They are so lost that you can’t make heads or tails of this and they prefer it that way.


  120. Break it down, brothawolf! Break it down!


  121. “Lara, seriously, why are you here?”

    Everyone needs a hobby. ‘Lara’s’ is going to blogs such as this and making intentionally stupid and incendiary remarks. Either ‘Lara’ is a good comedian or is obtuse as to the ideas being posted here. In any case all ‘Lara’ should be met with is ridicule as should the other clowns posting along the same lines. They are here to be obstructive not instructive, nor do they wish to impart knowledge. Maniacal, ramblings such as HBD and other forms of white supremacy lunacy doesn’t count and that is what they contribute. To be succinct; they are full of festering fecal matter. A purgative is in order.


  122. WTF saying that white people have a crack in their soul and that history shows that there is something seriously wrong with them is a fucked up and incredibly racist thing to say. Don’t you realize that by saying shit like this you are having the EXACT SAME MINDSET that you accuse white people of having?

    How is white=bad a better message than black=bad? both are just as misinformed, racist, offensive, and completely untrue. It’s sad to watch someone who seems to crusade against racism fall prey to it himself. It’s like you have adopted the same mindset that you attack white people for.

    I don’t deny that white people do heinous and terrible things sometimes, but that does not mean that all white people have a crack in their soul. They are still people like anyone else. Demonizing whites in the same way that whites have demonized blacks is not okay. Don’t stoop to their level, abagond.


  123. @ baruga:

    So if I demonized the Nazis for what they did to the Jews, would that make me just as bad as a Nazi? Would that be stooping to their level?

    White Americans wiped out the Native Americans, took their land and then forced millions of black people to be slaves to work that land. They are STILL racist against them and STILL benefit materially from their racism both past and present. All of that is true. None of it is a lie or a stereotype or a gross generalization. I am not twisting facts. If anything, I am understating them.

    You do not get to do stuff like that and expect people to keep their mouths shut about it. I am not demonizing them – their own actions have. They are the ones who marked themselves off from the rest of mankind and made themselves, in effect, a criminal organization.

    And once again, I did not say ALL whites. I said MANY White Americans. It could be argued that only 10% of them are like that while the rest of them are fucking cowards, mindless sheep whose silence is bought and paid for.

    Stop being a sheep.


  124. As always, abagond, you hit the nail on the head.


  125. Abagond, people will always find ways to justify their own prejudices and bigotry, you and I included. That doesn’t make them right.


  126. @ Baruga,

    Can you follow this little illustration?

    You might know that if one kicks EVEN A LOYAL dog long and hard enough, eventually that dog is going to have a REACTION to its oppression and mistreatment. No?

    So then, is this dog just simply walking around on its hind legs (getting all uppity) and looking for a way to “justify” being a prejudiced and bigoted dog?

    Baruga, “people will always find ways to justify their own” inability to reason reasonably, you included. That doesn’t make it a good thing!


  127. Why do whites hate, demonize, fear, look down on and attempt to CONTROL blacks?

    It’s the control aspect that really gets on my last nerve!
    No matter what area of life: education, finance, work, entertainment, religion, law – whatever, white people are always trying to CONTROL black people!!


  128. Reparations have already been paid: you have the privilege of being American citizens. What more could you ask for?
    JT,
    You can shove your instruction manual right up your ass.


  129. @ Lara

    Its not an instruction manual. Its a Declaration to the End of Racism. It’s something that you could read every night before bed and grow Lara. Oh you would grow. Granted this would mean putting aside Mein Kampf for a week or two. I know thats asking a lot. But the White Supremacist literature…well, it’s not exactly supported by facts/science/history/truth.


  130. ” It could be argued that only 10% of them are like that while the rest of them are fucking cowards, mindless sheep whose silence is bought and paid for.”

    YYYYYEEEESSSS!!!!!!!!

    Oh Aba, I so do love your comebacks!


  131. @ Brothawolf
    “funny considering how all blacks must take responsibility for a crime against a white person by one or a few blacks.”

    I couldn’t have said it better myself.
    I’ve always wondered why society never sees all whites for being evil or deviant.
    Look at the Penn state sex scandal.
    Can it not be argued that pedophilia is a ” white man’s disease?”

    Yet, whites maintain their status as top of the food chain when countless examples have proven otherwise that they are deviant by nature.


  132. @Truthbetold:

    re: @brothawolf:

    “funny considering how all blacks must take responsibility for a crime against a white person by one or a few blacks.”

    —-

    That’s why sometimes you will see black people give a collective cringe whenever a black person commits a crime. I doubt if whites have the same collective response when whites commit crimes such as high school, university and office building mass murders. They know society at large will not be judging whites as a group nor will it say, ‘Man! Those young white males sure are violent, aren’t they?.


  133. Lara, don’t be stupid, it might be a bit better now, but I have read testimonies of people self identifying as black, that they have never felt accepted as a US-citizen before they left the USA. Pretty worthless reparation thus…


  134. @ Nom de Plume

    Hear, hear! Look at Columbine vs. Virginia Tech. Noone looks at young white males as violent, do they? Those young men were just individuals who did a bad thing.

    The young Asian male at Virginia Tech was not afforded the same treatment. My coworker, who is Japanese, had to quit his job. The racism directed at him was horrible. Never mind that he was not the same ethnicity as the shooter but in the eyes of most whites, all Asians must be alike.


  135. @ Teddy

    I am a black woman born in another country. Even though we’ve been here for over 20 years, I can tell you that I still feel very much like an outsider.
    It’s impossible to count how many times I’ve been approached by whites who want to know where I’m from by my ” exotic” looks and my accent and inflection.

    They automatically assume that because my skin is fair and my speech is crisp, I’m different from other blacks.
    WTF???
    Blacks, mostly, have a very clear view of America. It’s not that we hate this country but we know that it’s not perfect. There’s a lot of damage that was done at our expense.

    That’s why when we see a white person yelling about how they LOVE America, we just have to look at them and wonder, Are you right in the head?
    It’s as if whites view this country was a perfect place to live. With no flaws.
    Must be nice to live in a world made of marshmallow fluff…


  136. Ok, I put my few words in here too. As for Lara, you are truly funny. “Many black women are more confident than they should be. They are behind on every measure of success, and yet have sky high self esteem. Why?”.

    What an earth that means?? They should not have a high self esteem???

    And once again, it seems that people here do not understand the System. One of the oldest song sang for the poor white in USA has been the one which says that they are, if nothing else, white, just like the rich, and therefore a bit like them and above every other ethnic group. And the poor whites are happy puppies yappin the same tune because they do not understand, that they are poor and in deep Sht because the rich white folks want them to be in that situation. Then they make the poor white fight against everyother poor and laugh at the stands watching this insanity.

    I think it was one of the most powerful and corrupt poltical bosses of New York who once famously said: You can always hire the other half of the poor to kill the other half. They still do that, only more subtle ways.

    When the wealth in USA is distributed in a similar way as in any other underdeveloped country, richest 10% having some 80% of all the wealth (if not even more), the 90% fighting for the 20% of wealth, the System works by institutionalized racism as one of the tools to keep the 90% out. This is something which I think some commenters do not get, no matter how or how many times it will be told, shown, proven or demonstrated to them.

    Being a white person struggling economically in USA is because OTHER WHITES TOOK YOUR MONEY. Instead of going berserk about blacks, latinos, asians or what ever, you should be going berserk about the real problem. Why there is social injustice, why there is so much poverty, why there is no universal healthcare, why there are millions in USA who can not read, why there are hunderds of thousands who are hungry?

    But what do you do? You go and vote the candidates who work for the System, you support them and cheer them on. I have no clue why.


  137. So, as I was saying about Diane Abbott and everyone jumping on her for her tweets. I don’t think she should quit her job either. I have heard much much worse from many members of parliament who happen to be white saying blatantly racist stuff and nobody says anything about any of them.

    The problem we are facing in today’s politically correct society is that you have to have the same opinion as everyone else. Some people DO like to divide and conquer, a bit like these managers at work saying that lower grade staff members should watch other staff members of the same grade and report back, this is one of many divide and conquer tactics used, this does not even necessarily depend solely on colour, but divide and rule is one of many tactics used to pkay one group of people off against the other, in this instance Diane Abbott happens to be talking about some white people who do this…..I am sure this is happening in parlaiment and that is probably why she said it.

    Also, she is the first black female MP, what better way to get her kicked out. When MPs stole money from parliament coffers, a lot of them stood their ground and went nowhere and have kept their jobs to this day.

    Diane Abboot, do not quit, I agree with you……Some people need to face facts, she is merely stating facts….People are going to get offended but the truth is the truth.


  138. @ Sam
    Thank you for sharing your thoughts. An explanation for this may be that systematic racism was an excellent way to keep poor, uneducated whites from learning that rich whites do not care about them.

    By using blacks, browns, yellows and reds as the punching bag, rich, powerful whites brainwashed the poor.

    What a mastermind, no?
    Poor, undereducated and racist whites will vote AGAINST their own best interest, as Brothawolf stated. It is done because ” at least I’m not black.”
    White solidarity prevails. Even though, they are being used.

    I read a diary of a former KKK member who realized that he was being used by the very system that he swore to protect. This is where shame, anger and self loathing begins. This is also where most whites develop that ” fakeness” to live with the guilt.


  139. “Blacks, mostly, have a very clear view of America.”

    That’s so true.


  140. @ Lara

    “Many black women are more confident than they should be. They are behind on every measure of success, and yet have sky high self esteem. Why?”.

    Hmmm, sounds like jealousy to me and this sounds familiar. Why can’t people mind their own business and do their own thing. Whay are you constantly watching to see what other people are doing? Sounds like insecurity…..Secure people ooze confidence because they ‘feel good’ about themselves.

    This is a sign of low self esteem when you can’t live and let live and mind your own business about matters that do not concern you directly. It is also the sign of a control freak/tyrant/dictator, telling other people how to be and how to act because you are unhappy or dissatisfied with self.

    If you were happy within yourself and your inner light was radiating and shining through, then you wouldn’t even be that concerned about why people feel good about themselves…..Jealousy and envy comes to mind.

    Every person sees success differently, again this can be ground right down to “Esteem Issues”.


  141. Lara said:-

    JT, You can shove your instruction manual right up your ass

    Is this the kind of response to give when someone criticises what you say Lara? Not setting a good example here are you. And there’s me thinking you were a thick skinned tough broad…

    LMAO


  142. @sam:

    Instead of going berserk about blacks, latinos, asians or what ever, you should be going berserk about the real problem.

    POC are seen as drains on a society where white tax payers foot the bill. Apparently people forget that black people pay income taxes, too. The other day I saw stats that show what I have always known. More whites receive food stamps than any other group (by number and percentage), yet blacks are painted as the ones who are “gaming the system.” I don’t think income disparity will get the attention it needs until the media puts a white face on it. The black face it has now just makes people want to look the other way or scapegoat those who have fallen on hard times.

    @Truthbetold:

    ‘Hear, hear! Look at Columbine vs. Virginia Tech. Noone looks at young white males as violent, do they? Those young men were just individuals who did a bad thing.”

    Unfortunately not everyone has the luxury of just being an individual.


  143. Truthbetold,
    Why do white Americans owe you anything? Your ancestors were never slaves.


  144. @Truthbetold
    “I can tell you that I still feel very much like an outsider.”

    I have never felt like anything other than an American. Who do you think is a better citizen, someone like me or someone like you?


  145. It’s sad to watch someone who seems to crusade against racism fall prey to it himself.

    Why do you think he is ‘crusading’ against racism? Did he hurt your white sensibilities and feelings? If I had a violin I’d compose a dirge for you.

    I don’t deny that white people do heinous and terrible things sometimes, but that does not mean that all white people have a crack in their soul

    Perhaps, but enough of them do, to create deleterious effects on racialized people.

    Demonizing whites in the same way that whites have demonized blacks is not okay.

    Why not? In fact, I think whites give demons a bad name. There is demons in hell weeping at the wickedness of you white folk!

    Abagond, people will always find ways to justify their own prejudices and bigotry, you and I included. That doesn’t make them right.

    In other words, this poster can’t come up with a retort to what you posted. The ol ‘Can’t we all get along whingery. I’d take cheese with my whinge!

    Reparations have already been paid: you have the privilege of being American citizens. What more could you ask for?

    How about some of those Yankee football players in their tights and shirtless!!!!!!

    You can shove your instruction manual right up your a…

    Congratulations JT! You’ve managed to unnerve this “lara’ person!

    I doubt if whites have the same collective response when whites commit crimes such as high school, university and office building mass murders.

    They don’t. Many a time I’ve had white people ask me why blacks do this, or why they do that, from the mundane to questions of criminality. However, if a white man is charged with paedophilia, he is just a plain pervert. A black man? Why do blacks behave like that, is what the bolder whites will ask you?

    So, as I was saying about Diane Abbott and everyone jumping on her for her tweets. I don’t think she should quit her job either.

    I think she should be promoted! What I found especially irksome, were the kerchief heads who came to the white establishment’s defence when they should have been circling the wagons around Abbott. Abbott for Prime Ministress!


  146. I have never felt like anything other than an American. Who do you think is a better citizen, someone like me or someone like you?

    Truthbetold is the better citizen. Why? Truthbetold questions the status- quo and doesn’t blindly follow the herd mentality of white supremacy like you and your ilk do.This is why you are morally bankrupt.


  147. “I think whites give demons a bad name.”

    I’m proud to be part of a dominant warrior race. You guys can have the prize for being nice.


  148. “Congratulations JT! You’ve managed to unnerve this “lara’ person!”

    An accolade perpetually tarnished. Afterall, what is it they say about polishing a turd?

    “I’m proud to be part of a dominant warrior race. You guys can have the prize for being nice.”

    When you say warrior, you mean an individual that possesses a gun and hides in suburbia? Tough stuff us whites are!


  149. Dominant Warrior race? Which one would that be?


  150. @ Herneith

    I’ve tried my entire life to grow as a human. It hasn’t been easy. We are not from America, we are multiracial and every member of my family is a different
    shade / complexion with many accents.

    The hardest part of my growth is traveling abroad to visit my relatives and seeing how they live and are treated in comparison to the United States.
    It was shocking for me to go back to London proper and see many, many blacks, Middle Easterns, etc living and thriving despite a bad economy.

    The attitudes are just different. There is a lack of ” we’re number one” mentality.
    The same for when I visit the St. Ann’s in Jamaica.
    There is a sense of unity, pride of culture and helping your neighbor. I remember we were at the countryside and one neighbor came to borrow some yams and potatoes. In return, he gave what he could: fresh tomatoes, herbs from his garden and a chocolate drink called ” Milo”.

    Americans, not all of them but enough of them, are so concerned with being on top…they ignored more pressing issues, even if it’s to their demise.

    When the Japanese had their earthquake, they had great composure, grace and unity.
    I wonder if Americans would do the same…

    Not because I question things, doesn’t mean I hate them. Yes, anger does come out but a part of growing as a person, is to challenge EVERYTHING you’ve been taught.

    Especially the lies.


  151. Whites fear blacks because they know blacks, honestly, are no different from them. We’re human, but in order to make themselves “feel” as if they are above and beyond, they have to create this superficial difference through skin color and by mere association via skin color, they try to attach everything negative that a black person has ever done to black people in general—repelling anything remotely positive. Actually, this is so ingrained in their minds concerning black people in general, when they see a black person and that they are doing something positive, it almost hurts their feelings– completely blows their minds.
    Similarly they try to attach everything positive that a white person has ever done, to their group—repelling the negative. A white person doing something negative, in the same sense, blows their minds…most of them “don’t talk about it”. Life doesn’t work that way, and people who use common sense can see right through it.


  152. @Lara

    I’m proud to be part of a dominant warrior race./i>

    Its all very well being a part of something Lara but it dont mean jack shi*t if you aren’t a contributor – judging from your posts on here its incomprehensible that you could be …..

    You guys can have the prize for being nice

    Full of contradictictions aint ya


  153. @ Indigoblu
    I love the statement, ” it almost hurts their feelings…”
    Yes. That’s why they try to find a way to discredit you…


  154. @Teddy:

    ‘I have read testimonies of people self identifying as black, that they have never felt accepted as a US-citizen before they left the USA.”

    I have read similar accounts. It reminds me of something called the ‘Perpetual Foreigner’ syndrome, if I remember correctly. I have witnessed U.S.-born Asian Americans being asked where they’re from. When they answer (without a foreign accent) that they were born in *insert state*, they are often asked the follow-up question, ‘Yeah, but where are you FROM?’ as if the Asian American didn’t understand the question the first time it was asked. It’s the ‘You don’t look like me so you can’t possibly be a real American’ way of seeing people.


  155. Has anyone ever read Brainwashed, by Tom Burrell?
    I first time I read that book, I felt as if my nerves became raw.
    Every bone in my body hurt. I cried. Openly.

    It gave me a greater insight as to who we are, as blacks in America.
    I had to read it 3 times to let it sink in.
    I’m still trying to process it because it hurts.


  156. @Truthbetold
    Agreed.

    I haven’t read it, but now that you are mentioning it, I’m interested in reading it. I’ve been longing to read a good book that was not school related, so I’m going to check it out. Thanks.


  157. Now that I just “googled” that book, and saw the cover, I realized I wanted to read that book over 2 year ago and never got around to it.


  158. @ indigoblu,
    You are welcome. Be prepared to be hurt by this honest book. I’ve had sleepless nights just thinking about it.


  159. @truthbetold:

    ‘When the Japanese had their earthquake, they had great composure, grace and unity. I wonder if Americans would do the same…”

    Perhaps. For a while at least. When 911 happened, I saw people of different ethnicities, ages, faiths and socio-economic positions crying, praying and hugging each other while proclaiming, ‘We are ALL Americans!!!’ When the dust settled, however, things went back to ‘business as usual.’


  160. LOL!!! Perhaps, you are right about that one.


  161. I’m proud to be part of a dominant warrior race. You guys can have the prize for being nice.

    If you want ‘prizes’ go to Bingo. Warrior race my bunghole.

    An accolade perpetually tarnished. Afterall, what is it they say about polishing a turd?

    ‘A turd by any other name is just a turd’.

    Dominant Warrior race? Which one would that be?


  162. DEAD @ Herneith!!

    I swear I sometimes feel like certain people are Elois and others are Morlocks.


  163. @JT
    “When you say warrior, you mean an individual that possesses a gun and hides in suburbia? Tough stuff us whites are!”

    There is nothing of value in their neighborhoods. They don’t set up nice stores or restaurants. If there was something we wanted, we’d be there, they wouldn’t be able to stop us.


  164. Lara, go back to Trollsylvania.


  165. White people create culture, and beautiful cities and fun. They just show up for it.


  166. @Darqbeauty, perhaps this will do?


  167. “Lara, go back to Trollsylvania.”

    Amen. I was about to respond to her preposterous lies once more and then i read your post. Thanks darqbeauty. =D


  168. @lara: “I’m proud to be part of a dominant warrior race”

    For starters, in which wars you have been fighting? What type of military training you have received? How about medals? Two, three purple hearts? Medal of Honor?? You would not call yourself a warrior just for fun, would you?

    See, warriors go to wars. That is why they are called warriors. They war. Usually they are called soldiers, mercenaries etc. Sometimes they are known as terrorists or guerillas etc. But warriors do not sit at home front of their computers typing funny text or babble about race.

    Warriors do not talk. They do very nasty and bad things. They maim, murder, kill, destroy, torture, beat, rape other humanbeings. War is like that. It is very, very dirty, nasty and dangerous. It is not fun at all. That is why people like you hire someone else to go to war. And that is why people like you are not, in any sense, warriors. Like Rober the Bruce very famously put it in AD 1314 in Bannockburn: Let us do or die.


  169. I’m proud to be part of a dominant warrior race.

    If you were proud, you wouldn’t be putting down black women like you’ve been doing. You wouldn’t be proclaiming that your culture is all that and a bag of chips while putting down other cultures especially those of African descent.

    Someone broke you, and now you’re showing everyone how low your self-esteem is. I don’t blame you, if I were you and thought the way you do, I’d have low self-esteem too lol.


  170. Also Lara, for a member of a warrior race, you sure are emotionally and intellectually fragile.


  171. @Brothawolf

    “Someone broke you, and now you’re showing everyone how low your self-esteem is. I don’t blame you, if I were you and thought the way you do, I’d have low self-esteem too lol.”

    ***********************
    : ))) Well bruh, WHITENESS breaks a lot of white people.
    Lillian Smith certainly thought so!

    I also think that it’s “whiteness” at the root of their being broken and why many of them act the same way some of the ones that come here behave. They just can’t help being the way they are. They went to far into that whiteness “cloud” and now they can’t escape. Only a lucky few can navigate themselves out of its grasp, and fewer still can remain/stay free from its clutches – e.g. Jas0n & Zek.

    “Intellectually fragile?”

    You’re being very kind & super-generous. lol


  172. LOL I could say some other words, but I didn’t want to disrespect Abagond’s blog.


  173. Abagond:

    If we assume you are right then we would have to conclude that whites are either not terribly bright (they do not understand how and why blacks got to America) or they are (and this could be true, unfortunately) even more breathtakingly delusional and heartless than I suspected.

    Group actions considered by our modern morality to constitute “atrocities” have occurred among nearly all peoples. Rarely do feelings of guilt appear to persist among the descendents. In the case of slavery in America, most white folks aren’t even related to the original slaveholders.

    “Black” people in southern Africa arrived as part of massive Bantu migrations which displaced Khoisan, pygmy, and other groups nearly to the point of extinction. Do you know any black Africans who feel continued guilt over this?


  174. @ Randy

    If whites deep down truly believe those sorts of rationalizations then how do you account for the hatred and demonization of blacks when blacks have done nothing wrong to whites, certainly not on the scale of what whites have done to blacks?


  175. I have not had many opportunities to experience the demonisation by Euro-Americans that so many of you speak of, but the ones that I experienced, actually bring me to different conclusions than that Abagond has arrived at. I will explain how I arrived at a different conclusion by first using an incident of racism that I had experienced while I was in Florida a year and a half ago to do an important medical procedure. In another comment, I will then show that the demonisation of Blacks has come about as result of Western civilization adopting a Metaphysics and Epistemology of Anal and Oral Sex.

    During the medical examination that is required prior to surgery, I was examined by a young white male doctor (I believe of Irish-Catholic/Italian extraction) who appeared to be doing his internship. The gentleman, having examined me shirtless, and having read the form I had previously filled out, cracked a smug smirk, and asked in a most smug tone of voice “How’d you get those?”, referring to the scars from the gunshot, stab and surgical wounds on my upper body. I proceeded to answer that they were a result of robbery attempts. The gentleman then asked where I lived. I replied that I lived in the nation’s capital, to which he then responded “Isn’t that the bad place?” I then calmly explained that Kingston is home to almost half the population, thus making his statement a gross over-generalisation. He then smiled meekly and then proceeded to continue the examination , rather meekly.

    The above anecdote gives us main points that will prove invaluable to understanding why whites engage in “demonisation.”

    (1) Black men do not get shot, they get themselves shot
    (2) Bad things do not happen to good people
    (3) In lieu of exposure to Black people, bad things happen to black people because they are bad.
    (4) Televised images are an excellent reflection of reality

    These points can be attributed to:

    Cultural Narcissism (1)

    Narcissism , in this sense does not mean egoism or selfishness. Instead think back to Narcissus entranced by his reflection. He could not tell his true self from his false. And that is what modern culture leads to. An ongoing economic crisis, combined with the constant threat of terrorism in a world teetering on the brink of environmental collapse encourages survival – not living. Survival means you withdraw into a “minimal self”, there is no room for empathy, understanding or commitment. The focus on reality TV and hook up sex over relationships I believe are a symptom of this in the Euro-American community. They realise that a good portion of their selves is missing, causing them to use

    Narcissistic Defenses

    Splitting becomes necessary reducing the world to good/evil. Projection means that you place your own insecurities onto a scapegoat (Black rape stats). And withdrawal means that you only interact with those of your own kind, thus withdrawing into enclaves (White Flight). None of these defenses, however, are able to withstand Narcissistic Injury, which tends t come about during times like these.

    I will hae to elaborate at another time why these are not exclusive to Euro-Americans, as well as how we have become dominated and subjugated by a Philosophy of Buttsecks.


  176. The Use of Stereotypes

    White people feel that they are under siege, not merely due to external factors, but due to those within their own race that seek to create docile consumers by dividing them into different demographics so that they may be better exploited (this is also obviously the case for Blacks and other races). This used to be a distinct and real course of study up to the 1920s, (2) but is no longer made overtly known to marketing students. Nowadays, the stigmatisation of Blacks occurs as a result of confirmation bias (3)

    If you were a white person would be inclined to watch a video called “Shit White girls say to Black Girls ?” You would not even bother inputting that into your Google search, instead looking at the latest Kardashian, or whatever would reinforce your beliefs.

    It takes disasters, economic crises, total wars and other upheavals to create the type of existential crises to force people out of their long held beliefs. Perhaps, that may be the one good thing to come out of the recent economic troubles.

    Sorry for being so long winded

    (1) The Minimal Self – Christopher Lasch
    (2) Propaganda – Edward Bernays
    (3) Public Opinion – Walter Lippmann


  177. “Here was I, the white man with his gun, standing in front of the unarmed native crowd – seemingly the leading actor of the piece; but in reality I was only an absurd puppet pushed to and fro by the will of those yellow faces behind. I perceived in this moment that when the white man turns tyrant it is his own freedom that he destroys. He becomes a sort of hollow, posing dummy, the conventionalized figure of a sahib. For it is the condition of his rule that he shall spend his life in trying to impress the “natives,” and so in every crisis he has got to do what the “natives” expect of him. He wears a mask, and his face grows to fit it. I had got to shoot the elephant. I had committed myself to doing it when I sent for the rifle. A sahib has got to act like a sahib; he has got to appear resolute, to know his own mind and do definite things. To come all that way, rifle in hand, with two thousand people marching at my heels, and then to trail feebly away, having done nothing – no, that was impossible. The crowd would laugh at me. And my whole life, every white man’s life in the East, was one long struggle not to be laughed at.”

    George Orwell, “Shooting An Elephant”


  178. abagond:

    If whites deep down truly believe those sorts of rationalizations then how do you account for the hatred and demonization of blacks when blacks have done nothing wrong to whites, certainly not on the scale of what whites have done to blacks?

    At the risk of complete oversimplification, I’ll just offer one primary reason why people in my majority-white hometown feared black folks: crime.

    There was a far greater likelihood of becoming the victim of theft or assault if you went into a black neighborhood vs. a white one. My observation was that “white flight” had nothing to do with an anti-preference for melanin, but rather was a desire to escape crime and related social pathologies.

    Also, one could see that neighborhoods which had previously received greater numbers of black residents had increasing levels of litter, unresolved home maintenance issues, and other indicators of community disorder.

    I recall driving in the car with my father who would point out things like, “I remember when this neighborhood used to be all northern Italians. We were dirt poor but everyone kept their place tidy. Just look at how these houses are falling apart now.”

    I suppose that you could say these feelings therefore originated from personal experience and observation, and not due to any grand plan to create group antipathy towards black people.


  179. @randy: And what you think caused all that “terrifying” crime and community disorder? Race? Color of the skin?

    You are smart guy. You can figure this one out if you really want. Question is Do you really want? I bet you do not. That would be really scary indeed.


  180. What do you think caused the crime, Sam?


  181. Every time I go into my local Home Depot, there are a lot of black people in there. Yet, black neighborhoods still look run down. What’s that all about?


  182. “unresolved home maintenance issues”

    Yes. Clear plastic is only a temporary fix for a broken window, not a permanent one.


  183. Wow, reading this I would think the white Americans here have no idea what a slumlord is. Or what not having money is like.


  184. @ Randy

    ” My observation was that “white flight” had nothing to do with an anti-preference for melanin, but rather was a desire to escape crime and related social pathologies.”

    My observation, having lived in places subjected to white flight, is that it is a self-serving racist lie that white people like to tell themselves. It does not, for example, account for why extremely few whites move to black middle-class neighbourhoods where crime is low. Or even why, in Manhattan, they live in neighbourhoods with markedly higher crime rates than the middle of Harlem.

    In the early 1980s Chinatown was the murder capital of Manhattan. Yet I know people who had no trouble going there who would shake like a leaf if they had to go to Harlem. Their fear was grounded in racism, not fact.


  185. sam:

    @randy: And what you think caused all that “terrifying” crime and community disorder? Race? Color of the skin?

    abagond

    Wow, reading this I would think the white Americans here have no idea what a slumlord is. Or what not having money is like.

    The immediate question was about how white folks came to feel a certain way about black folks.

    I’d offer that proletarian people (aka “regular folks”) of all nationalities tend deal with the situations at hand without much concern for the grand sweeps of history which may have engendered them. That tends to be a luxury of the introspective bourgeoisie. The poor are busy scratching out a living.

    In the case I described, people simply wanted safe neighborhoods for their children. Nobody cared “why”.

    Even if you knew “why”, that would make little difference, as you’re not going to solve any grand societal issues being the peon that you are. You simply move from places where people are more likely to assault each other to places where they aren’t.


  186. On one hand I can understand to some extent the plight of the poor, on the other I remember a black inspirational speaker who came to my high school back in the day.

    He made a decent speech about how any body can succeed if they put their mind to it etc….one thing that stuck out to me though was how he mentioned he was so poor that his house had a huge hole in the floor in one of the rooms that they had to walk around and it was there for years.

    But unless someone is basically handicapped in some way there really is no legitimate excuse for that. Doesn’t cost much at the end of the day to buy some nails, a hammer and some wood to cover up a hole.


  187. If I may interject…
    Most whites have kept up the facade, the lie of perfection for so long, they no longer know what it is like to live without it.
    If I may be frank…that’s why I longer have conversations of meaning with whites. The truth, no matter how delicately put, seems to offend and torture them.

    The fear you speak of, going into a black neighborhood, albeit a middle class one, is rooted in the racist belief that blacks are prone to violence and will attack ANYONE for no reason.

    Satanforce said the whites feel that they are under siege.
    Why is that?
    Could it be that centuries of crime, rape, robbery, lies, falseness and deceit have home home to roost?

    Projection is a big part of it. We tend to see the worst in ourselves and put them on to others.

    @ V-4
    wood, a hammer, nails and glue costs money. Not everyone has that luxury when the rent/mortgage, bills, food, gas is due.

    @ Randy
    Racism defies fact. It, by definition, defies logic. When people start coming up with reasons why they feel the way they do, backed by stats and science, they only serve to fulfill that lie.
    And it becomes a never ending cycle.


  188. “If I may be frank…that’s why I longer have conversations of meaning with whites. The truth, no matter how delicately put, seems to offend and torture them.”

    *******************************

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    …and EXCLAMATION POINT!

    **it’s MOSTLY a gigantic waste of time and energy**

    THEY can’t see truth, don’t want to see truth, and really don’t want to believe truth!


  189. @V-4:

    ‘….one thing that stuck out to me though was how he mentioned he was so poor that his house had a huge hole in the floor in one of the rooms that they had to walk around and it was there for years.”

    “But unless someone is basically handicapped in some way there really is no legitimate excuse for that. Doesn’t cost much at the end of the day to buy some nails, a hammer and some wood to cover up a hole.”

    I guess this is supposed to be an example of how the poor don’t help themselves, or perhaps how they’re just too dumb or lazy to help themselves? I’m thinking that if I had a “huge” hole in my floor, simply nailing a board over it would not make it safe to walk on. I would try to cover it but I would still walk around it (especially if I was unable to repair it properly). Also, do we know if the hole was in an upstairs room? As for the length of time the hole was there, could it be that the family was just too poor to hire a professional contractor to do the work?

    I wasn’t there to hear what you heard, but this sounds like another example of the “Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps” way of thinking.. Your comment also ties in wonderfully with the title of this post, “Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and LOOK DOWN ON blacks? Not being facetious here, but thanks. I doubt if I could have summarized it better.


  190. “The fear you speak of, going into a black neighborhood, albeit a middle class one, is rooted in the racist belief that blacks are prone to violence and will attack ANYONE for no reason.”

    My brother, his girlfriend and my parents were riding the NY subway two weeks ago. A gang of blacks got on and approached a lone black man. Within minutes they were all punching him. One pulled out a knife and slashed this man’s face. My mom was really shaken up by it, she’d never seen an unprovoked attack like that. I guess she is just sheltered.


  191. “THEY can’t see truth, don’t want to see truth, and really don’t want to believe truth!”

    Nope, we just don’t agree with you.


  192. Blacks have had the upper hand with whites for about 60 years now, in the United States. All they’ve had to do is throw a temper tantrum and they have gotten their way. Things are starting to change, whites are no longer so willing to give in to you.


  193. You people can’t figure out how to fix a hole in the floor? No wonder Detroit is on the verge of collapse.


  194. I ended up on this website due to a link from a website I was on to another article here.

    What I see in the article and most of the comments here is exactly the same thing that whites are being accused of doing. On the one hand people want to be treated as individuals, and on the other they want to be treated as a group. On the one hand they want to be accepted for who they are, and on the other they want an apology or more for what someone elses ancestors did to their ancestors. All that ends up happening is a circular motion of distrust and hate that keeps the problem from ever being solved. This can be seen all over the planet, between and inside every possible grouping of humans, from race to religion to economic category. Most of history is represented by one group taking from another simply because they could. Peaceful tolerant places historically never lasted long due to this – they were wiped out/taken over.

    My personal view on this topic is that the title is trivially silly. I don’t know any white people personally who demonize, fear, or who look down on blacks, but I know they exist. I did know people of the older generations who did but for the most part this was based on complete ignorance – they lived in an area where there were simply not many people at all much less a minority. Blacks were simply the “Other”. My grandfather who made racist statements infrequently also loved to watch Mohammed Ali box. A cousin of my parents who married a black man was treated hostilely by my grandparents generation (some of them) but NOT by their children. With rise of modern media, typical responses have been either becoming much more tolerant, or much more intolerant. I see the world for the most part getting better, but where it is not, becoming much more easy to identify and point out.

    For me, I grew up without a single minority family in the area except for Native Americans who tended to be isolated on the reservations. I never knew any blacks until coming to LA for college, nor did I know much from television etc. except for the civil rights movement which I saw as completely justified given what I saw on TV. I really didn’t and don’t to this day know much about the cultures of say the deep south or the upper mid-west as I’ve never lived in those places.

    My experiences on moving to LA varied. I’ve never experienced crime from blacks, although I have from white teenagers. The blacks in my college were quite varied in politics and outlook. I do remember being shocked when I was training as a waiter for a part time job (all the jobs were held by students) under a black captain being called an “nword’s nword” by some of the other black and white students working there. Most of what I (think I) know of blacks unfortunately comes from what I will call advertising – music, news, other media – not from personal experience. I doubt that the advertising is accurate, but the hip-hop music and its culture of violence disturb me. I do love Jazz, Swing, and early R&B.

    Comments such as I see here reinforce in me a tendency when In the presence of a black person I don’t know to not say anything rather than say something out of ignorance they personally may decide is racist. Some here have apparently decided that not saying anything is also racist. Telling someone they are racist for such things is not helpful, either to them or you if the desire is to actually to become acquainted. If your desire is to simply reinforce an attitude in the minds of these people you are probably on the right track. I also read that in surveys that blacks are perhaps the least likely group to support gay rights, which intensely puzzles me.

    Bottom line, I try very hard to treat people as individuals, and if you come from someplace unfamiliar, even within the United States, I’m likely to ask many questions about what it’s like etc.would I like to visit or live there. If I make a mistake jumping on it as racist is almost a guarantee that future interaction will be held to a minimum if only to ensure that such a mistake does not get repeated. Much more productive would be “why do you think that?” Being a racist, and obviously there are a few black racists posting here, is not a solution to being treated badly – and I doubt that anyone here, black or white, has any “power” myself included.


  195. *Waits for Lara to say something that will get her banned so the rest of us won’t have to put up with her/him.*

    From most of these comments from Randy, Lara, and anyone else making similar statements about white flight, I find it tiresome but nonetheless insulting that one would think that black neighborhoods because of the association with black communities and destruction.

    In the first place crime can happen anywhere at anytime by anyone. Black communities are not the number one places for crime to happen. Crime can occur in white communities, middle class and upper class communities. The problem is that cops are always in poor black communities for the stereotype that those places are cesspools for crime. Politicians and the news always – ALWAYS – make it seem like anyplace where black people are will be destroyed. But people like Lara doesn’t have the moral capacity to comprehend how that can be depressing because you know, black people are screwed up by nature because a racist white person told me so.

    Why not try asking how and why crime happens instead of just assuming it has to do with culture or skin color? Why not do some genuine research instead of jumping headfirst into some myths and stereotypes like a crackhead jumping into an empty swimming pool? Why not take into account that your kind of mentality is harmful to others and yourselves instead of holding on to them as if you were Linus refusing to let go of your security blanket?

    *Shakes his damn head.*


  196. Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?

    Maybe they stumble upon the insane rants of the many black commenters here, including Abagond himself.

    This stuff makes stormfront look tame.


  197. Amen Brothawolf. One need look no further than Abagonds comments’ section for examples of the narcissm, dichotomous thinking, and moral blindness he refers to.

    Worse. They think they can speak for the experience of hate and discrimination that people of colour experience from the Whites and yet they are CLEARLY so far removed from the experience themselves. Really goes to show that a little bit of intelligence is a dangerous thing. SMH.

    JT


  198. Maybe they stumble upon the insane rants of the many black commenters here, including Abagond himself.

    Maybe they were already racist and just need something to use as an excuse for their racism. No-one can make you ‘racist’. That’s a decision you come to. It is like saying to the victim of a drunk driver that they shouldn’t have been crossing on a red light when they were knocked down.

    This stuff makes stormfront look tame.

    I see you have diverse interests, either you frequent stormfront or you don’t; if you do, you are probably one of their minions. If you don’t, you do not know what the hell you are talking/writing about.


  199. @ Brothawolf
    I was in a mainly white town of Brookfield, WI on assignment 2 years ago.
    Cops broke down the door of a mansion due to the fact that the owner was making crystal meth in his basement!

    When this erupted, many people were, “shocked” and ” dumfounded” .
    One person said, ” Hm. That’s unusual. You would think it would happen in Milwaukee.” Milwaukee is a segregrated town with blacks on one side, poor whites on the other.

    Trying to understand racism will put you in Bellvue Mental Hospital.


  200. @Hernieth

    I’m going to tap that reply right back at you and say that the beyond belief racism that is prevalent here and on many mainstream black websites just shows that African-Americans are just as racist (actually worse) than Whites are. There’s no self-censorship at all.

    Black people who don’t remotely understand Whites are here spewing the worst vitriol imaginable and getting a pat on the back for it. Why in the heck should White people do you any favors at all, or treat you humanely when you are not willing to do the same?

    You want equality right? Of course, we all do. You are also entitled to be called out and shamed for being a delusional nest of bigots too. I will say it’s more than a little telling how incredulous and fragile some of the black bigots are when someone with a contrary opinion picks them apart.

    I have to wonder-are these the posts of the bigoted black liberal bourgeoisie or just a bunch of adroit White trolls doing an excellent job of defaming said black liberals?

    Judging at the anti-White, Asian and Latino bile that passes for humor on Black pop culture websites, it’s probably the former.

    On a positive note, it appears that the White left is slowly waking up to the hateful, racist black people they’ve been making excuses for all these years :)


  201. This stuff makes stormfront look tame.

    I see you have diverse interests, either you frequent stormfront or you don’t; if you do, you are probably one of their minions. If you don’t, you do not know what the hell you are talking/writing about.

    Actually Stormfront is monitored by SLPC, ADL, a whole slew of anti-racist organizations (some of them with questionable affiliations of their own) and thousands of curious minorities. It’s got one of the largest “lurker” populations on the internet bar none and googling up “stormfront” will pull up several threads on black pop culture web forums from posters who read threads there. The kicker on those black pop culture web forums? Many, many of those same posters whining about what’s said there (which actually has a stricter moderation policy than good Mr. Abagond) have NO problem saying the vilest things about White people.

    Hypocrisy, thy name is the African-American mainstream. Oh, that neanderthal/honkey and his racism….


  202. Last post before I head to the gym:

    Why I’m thankful for Black bigots like the folks at Mr. Abagond’s comments section.

    You’re more delusional and even LESS intelligent than the average Stormfront or VNN poster so it’s clear you’ll never be a threat to the long term survival of the United States or Western civilization as a whole;-)


  203. @ Emily:

    Please quote something I said and then tell us why it is racist.


  204. I don’t know about stormfront, but this is as racist a place as I’ve seen in the past 20 years. I see lots of complaining, and a lot of Catch-22 type “logic”. If that’s really all that this blog has to offer, then it is part of the problem and in no way part of any solution. The host doesn’t understand my point of view any better than I apparently understand his, yet he feels free to generalize and stereotype, all the while complaining that others do that to him. This is the type of place that rather than leading to some kind of consensus, can lead only to further division and hostility. Is that REALLY what the host wants?


  205. abagond
    @ Emily:

    “Please quote something I said and then tell us why it is racist.”

    Abagond, look at your posts for a minute with an objective eye. You’re totally crazy and definitely racist. Is she/he actually going to get a useful reply from you?

    Best just to ignore you and see if anything useful can come from interaction with the other racist black people.


  206. “It is white people who have a deep crack in their souls.”


  207. Abagond said:

    My observation, having lived in places subjected to white flight, is that it is a self-serving racist lie that white people like to tell themselves. It does not, for example, account for why extremely few whites move to black middle-class neighbourhoods where crime is low. Or even why, in Manhattan, they live in neighbourhoods with markedly higher crime rates than the middle of Harlem.

    1. Do you think that those white folks would have been welcomed by the existing residents of middle of Harlem?

    2. People tend to naturally aggregate with their in-group. Where I grew up Italians, Irish, Germans, and Poles tended to live apart from each other.

    Further, Northern Italians, Southern Italians, and Sicilians would each cluster separately. Is that “racism” too?


  208. Emily, are you ‘Lara’s’ cousin or sister?


  209. Lara/Emily/Ashley Todd.

    Same $hit, different pile.

    Check out the link if you don’t remember the lovely Ashley Todd. Lara, Ashley and Emily could be BFFs I’m sure.

    http://exiledonline.com/the-daily-inquisition-ashley-todd/


  210. Yawn …

    For the endless numbers of clueless WHITE folks:

    See if you can wrap your little clueless minds around this: – again –

    African Americans cannot be called “racists,” because they do not have the ability to deny anyone “the dignity, opportunities, freedoms, and rewards that this nation offers white Americans”

    When, or if, black people begin chaining, shipping, enslaving, selling, lynching, raping, oppressing, exploiting, shooting, jailing, whipping, maiming, torturing, evangelizing, robbing, stereotyping, bullying, bombing, segregating, building highways and thruways to dislocate businesses, communities and neighborhoods; creating SUN-DOWN towns, experimenting on, discriminating against, prohibiting, murdering, holding back/controlling in every imaginable way while HATING WHITE PEOPLE en mass via de jure and de facto racism for HUNDREDS of years, then and only then can calling black people racists make sense.

    Unless America’s historical and traditional scripts are flipped, the ONLY people who can possibly ever qualify to be racists, and “fight their (“natural”) tendency toward it,” are WHITE people.

    Otherwise, the word “racist” – “makes NO SENSE!”


  211. You apparently do not understand the word “racist” then Matari, as most white people have neither done nor have any power to do what you describe (as if you experienced yourself).

    By the way, I detect a mental aberration in your post which indicates that yes, you would do all of those things you describer were you only able.

    Yawn indeed.


  212. Dave,

    Today, race is a discredited construct. It was not always the case.

    It was devised by white people in the 20th and 19th centuries to forward ideas of colour based hierarchies.

    Delineating the races of caucasians and blacks meant that politicians, diplomats, etc. would have an implicit excuse to withhold civil rights from people of colour. People of colour were excusably slaves if they were biologically/mentally inferior. Minstrel shows could only be hillarious if the subjects of them were already dehumanized. Jim Crowe could prevent contamination of inferior genetics. ETC. ETC. ETC.

    Thus, a system was devised and perpetuated by WHITES in interest of WHITES, to the expense and oppression of PEOPLE OF COLOUR, a system very much still in the works.

    If you took a single course in sociology/anthropology/history you would know that Blacks cannot be racist. They can be bigoted, prejudiced, hateful etc. but they cannot be racist. Because they are not able to nor have they ever been able to withhold rights from whites in a SYSTEMIC fashion as whites have been and continue to do today.

    This is all coming from a white individual.

    JT


  213. Rubbish. Race was hardly devised by white people, nor has the oppression of others on such a classification been limited to whites. Example, Japan over Korea and China. The definition of “racism” you use is meaningless in any context except as history. Simply being unable to exercise that power rather than unable AND unwilling does not make one not a racist – it makes one a racist without success to date. And yes, I have had plenty of college courses on such topics, but apparently not taught with the “color” you accept as truth.

    Without whites willing to buck such systems in America blacks would still be in slavery and Obama would never have become President.


  214. “This is all coming from a white individual. ”

    **************************************

    I can’t help but LOL at THAT, because – as we all know, if an utterance comes from a white person, as opposed to a black person, the testimony is then seen as legitimate, “objective,” even-handed and carries much more clout and weight!

    Yup, we’ve come a long way, but not nearly as far as some people think.

    Black people, by and large, are NOT credible to “white” people which is part and parcel of what Abagond is persistently, doggedly always saying – in hundreds of various ways!!!!!

    And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why (in part) what Mr. Lister just wrote:

    “most white people have neither done nor have any power to do what you describe,”

    is an utterly amazing – LIE.


  215. “Example Japan, Korean, China”

    Nice example.

    Nationality does not equal race.

    Ethnicity does not equal race.

    Cultural group does not equal race.

    Thus, Japanese, Korean, and Chinese would not be considered different races but of the same race. To be precise, the Malayan race. According to Blumenbach.

    Let’s turn towards a neutral source. Wikipedia:

    “The European concept of “race” arose in the 17th century at the time of the scientific revolution and the age of European imperialism and colonization.[26][27] As Europeans encountered people from different parts of the world, they speculated about the physical, social, and cultural differences among various human groups. During the Atlantic slave trade, human groups were categorized in order to justify the subordination of African slaves.[28]”

    “In the United States, Thomas Jefferson saw Africans as inferior to Whites in intellect, and embued with unnatural sexual appetites, but sawNative Americans as equals to whites.[37]”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_humans)

    Now please tell me that race hasn’t been used to the advantage of white people at largely the expense of people of colour. Please tell me that so i know that i am completely wasting my time talking to you in the first place which every protein in my body already tells me as much.


  216. Where are these “people” coming from???

    If there’s anything to be understood about racism is that it deals mostly with myths and lies and never truths. The truth is the enemy to the faith that white people are superior based solely on white skin and numerous myths about them.

    Since this topic talks about, as the title suggests, why whites hate, fear, demonize, or look down on blacks, it talks about the experiences coming from blacks. It’s based on loads of research on the subject. And the proof constantly appears from different people who troll in here proving the topic’s three main points: narcissism, dichotomous thinking, and moral blindness.

    The trolls that have been appearing in here rant in some way or another about how whites did great things and without them black people would be lost, or left to rot in Africa. They believe that blacks by nature are dumb, lazy, dysfunctional, violent, and oversexed. And, they don’t care to hear our pain, frustrations, or point of view (unless it agrees with them).

    It’s futile to talk with them from a different point of view. They are too screwed up to give another person’s POV a chance, yet, they log into blogs like this for what? To disturb forums. To grab attention, and to spew their predictable bullshit.

    And that is the truth. They can’t stand the truth. They devalue truth. They could care less about how “we” feel. They don’t care if we are suffering. In fact some of them want us to feel low, to be ashamed of who we are. At the same time they want us to worry about them. They want us to worship them. They want us to shut up and be happy while we love and respect them UNCONDITIONALLY.

    These trolls here are mentally challenged, psychologically broken, spiritually absent, morally deprived, overprivileged, warped human beings with self-esteem issues and too much idle time on their hands.


  217. @ Matari

    I realize that that is the truth of the matter (about the way in which the legal system/media/society put weight behind what white people say and discredit what people of color say). It was a poor choice of words.

    If i were to reword it, i would say that I don’t believe this conversation is being had along lines of color/non-color but rather along the lines of empathy, acceptance, truth, and justice. Those that are empathetic, accepting and honest realize how loudly the bells of truth toll whenever people of color speak about their histories and experiences, discrimination and perseverance.

    Those that are not empathetic, honest, and accepting stop reading after the first words about systemic oppression are written. Or they read but they take in zilch of what is SAID. They go on to verbal diarrhea what they were told from their trailer trash family about these matters.

    I believe that I respect and listen. Therefore I believe that I belong in the former group. I apologize for the ignorance from that post.


  218. Unfortunately, JT, the Japanese have historically considered THEMSELVES to be of a different and better race than the Chinese or Koreans, a prejudice which still exists today. It doesn’t really matter that YOU consider them to be of the same race, the excuse for their behavior was exactly the same.

    Here in this group I see people like the host who consider, based on their race, that they are “better” than other groups. I see still others who would obviously like nothing better than to engage in such behavior given the ability and opportunity. I notice you not very cleverly ignored where the very same Wikipedia article goes on to explore the concept among other races, as an example “However, the concept of human races is generally accepted in some other regions of the world, such as Asia and Eastern Europe”. The fact is that “race” is not a only a white concept, but is embedded in such things as the Hispanic “La Raza” name. The article you quote also says “Groups of humans have probably always distinguished themselves from other groups.”

    It would be stupid to say that some white people historically haven’t used such a classification to derive advantage from other peoples It would be equally stupid to say that no other race has done this, or that a larger number of whites haven’t fought just such an advantage in modern times.

    The idea of collective racial guilt is an example of someone trying to achieve an advantage over others based on the classification of race. It is racist, to the core. I feel no “guilt” over the past personally, but I do think that current Americans can and should do better than our collective ancestors did. My ancestors were for the most part not even in the country during slavery and those that did live here were Hessian soldiers. Should I feel “guilt” that they fought for the British against the rebel Americans?

    Nobody here alive today experienced the vast bulk of what is being complained about, nor have the vast majority of whites benefited from the advantages of slavery. Yet many here want to claim victim-hood status, and you are apparently willing to accept oppressor status based on very specious logic. Now if your only interest is in speaking in secret code rather than solving whatever problem might exist, you are on the right track. Frankly, I have little interest in that and would rather look at where our common interests lie – that a small number of people are controlling more and more of the wealth of this nation. Race is irrelevant unless you want to cause division amongst those who are in the same economic straights.


  219. JT

    I find no fault with what you wrote, or how you said it.
    It did make me laugh, though!

    As you just said, I was only addressing the TRUTH of the matter.

    (Notice how the subject has now shifted/derailed to the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans? Looks like things are getting hot in Mr. Lister’s kitchen! Can’t stand the heat … derail)


  220. Please, Matari, do and try to stay focused. The claim was that “race” was a purely European construct. That has been shown to be patently false.

    Derailment and diversion do seem to be your methods.


  221. @Truthbetold/Nom De Plume

    Yes; those things cost money but over the course of years, they could have been able to get the resources to deal with it.

    And I’m not bad talking the poor, been poor grew up with welfare and going to the dump to get clothes, toys and food. You did what you had to do to get by.

    I’m not saying it had to look good or professional.


  222. on Tue 10 Jan 2012 at 07:54:18 just a white person...kind of

    There are alot of posts with White people are this and White people are that…Well, as a white person, i neither fear you nor do I believe I should give you special treatment due to the color of your skin. For whatever reasons, my ancestors did not like black people, but I am a new generation and made it my goal to include more tolerance and understanding into my viewpoint. I did not choose the way of my parents. But at the same time, as an individual, I don’t appreciate being told what my viewpoints are based on my race. I guess I could understand why black people are still suspicous and accusing us whites all the time..it is not going to change overnight. but please don’t generalize every white person in the same category..if you don’t want to be generalized either, then you could understand.


  223. Really Dave?

    Bob beats his wife so its not big deal if Tom does it, she needs to shut up and smile at the dinner parties so Tom can get that promotion and she can get beaten in a nicer house right? People of color being quiet about America’s racial hierarchy is not in OUR best interest. Genocide, stolen labor, stolen identities, broken treaties, internment camps, reservations, experiments, segregation, white flight, police brutality, “ching chong” hats, good credit but bad loans, last hired but first fired (hardly ancient history), the list goes on but oh let’s not talk about that!

    So what if your family wasn’t on the Mayflower, your johnny come lately European immigrant ancestors were let into the club based on their similar pigmentation and their willingness to “play ball” to preserve a white haven built on wholesale murder,rape, theft, exclusion and lies and YOU (with their -one more time – similar pigmentation) benefit from it and even take pride in it, America isn’t the result of pixy dust and pony kisses so don’t pretend that white people don’t have racial baggage (and not the head shaving, cross burning cliche degenerate BS either). Now the greed of the elites is waaay too obvious, jobs and housing are a problem for YOU, they were problems for different groups in the American population before that (and it has only gotten worse), it was called whining then but with buzzwords like “we are the 99″, anger and outrage at injustice is now legit and acceptable, see a pattern? You sir, don’t get to say “race is irrelevant”, it wasn’t engineered to “other”, dehumanize, and push you to the back of the line.


  224. Like I’ve said in other threads, the white americans do not want to admit that their whole counrty is based on racism. At first, racism against the REAL americans, the natives, which is still going on today. Yes, I have witnessed this by myself in various forms. Againts the blacks, yes, I have see this too. Against the asians, “chinks, dinks, slant eyes, dingdongs etc.” Against others “towelheads, ragheads etc.”

    It is in the very core of the System, so much so, that white americans can not see it nor they want to admit it. Get real with the real history of your country. Find out the facts. You can see it yourselves! The whole System is made to benefit the very few and racism is one of the bed rocks of the System.

    When italians came to USA in droves back in late 19th century early 20th, they were stuffed in horrible ghettoes and called as garlic eating greasers, dirty subhumans worthy only for manual labour. When the irish came, they were looked as monkey, just check any cartoon of that time. The only way these immigrants could begin their social climb was to join in the System, to accept its very core values, that there is always some other group beneath you. These happened to be the blacks and the natives.

    The whole System is based on this: in order to better your own social status, you must join in and accept their values, and the racist world view. In order to get better life, you must step on somebody else. If you want to have a chance in this System, you must act the way that those above you will give you a pass. They will show you how to get on, but they will not let you rise too high. Only way to get in, to join the Club, is money.

    Once you make a millions, you are accepted. At that level race is no more an issue. You can join the country clubs and golf clubs and such and laugh and enjoy with your white counter parts. And that, my friends, shows you what it is all about: Money.

    Racism is one very important tool in the System. It is conquer and divide, keep those mexicans, salvadorans, dominicans, jamaicans, haitians, blacks, chinese, koreans and others fighting between themselves. Keep them hating each other, competening with each other, and they won’t even notice how you reap the harvest right in front of them. Dangle the carrot in front of them: look, P Diddy made it, so can you! Yes, once you have made your millions. Then you are in, at least as long as you have those millions.


  225. Dave Lister, get back on the Red Dwarf, of course race is a purely European construct. That is race, as it is under discussion here. One Drop Rule, “White superiority”, all that.
    There might be some justification in calling it a European-American, rather than a European one, but considering Raza, as in la Pura Raza Española, as proof that “Race” is not a WHITE concept, just demonstrates your ignorance.


  226. Really really Gen. Once again all I see are mass generalizations, racism, and whining that life isn’t fair. I don’t recall anyone saying that they need to “shut up” or “be quiet” so once again we see the strawman set up to be torn down by those too emotional and without any reasoning ability at all. “Ching chong hats” (whatever those are) mixed in with a list including genocide do your point, whatever it is, so much good in establishing a sense of proportion as well. You feel free to protest “ching chong hats” though if you feel it helps your cause – which by this point I can’t even tell if you know.

    Just what “ball club” do you think I’m a member of? Again, you want to be treated based on your own criteria but your behavior as an individual is so bad why would anyone want to associate with you? Another strawman gets set up to be knocked down in her “pixy dust and pony kisses” silliness, again, not something I or anyone else have claimed. America has racial baggage period – and people like you are doing nothing whatsoever to eliminate that and forced to conclude that without it, you wouldn’t know who you are. I came from nowhere with nothing and nobody gave me anything. I got a good education in a field that pays well and am not a boss or manager of anyone, black, red, white, or purple. Where you get off making all kinds of claims about me while whining that someone else does that to you is hypocritical in the extreme.

    Now, I can tell you that I saw the problem of the elites from way back during the Reagan years, which means I’ve been seeing it a whole hell of a lot longer than you have, but you go right ahead and feel special in your victim-hood and demand that all whites are out to oppress you, all the while busy alienating any possible allies – such as GAYS – because you can’t possibly look beyond your own nose. Funny how you feel free to speak FOR all these other minorities when most of them haven’t any more interest in your juvenile politics and self-interest posing as morality than I do. Without allies and the ability to form consensus your self-interested whining will never be anything more.

    The last strawman, that I don’t get to say that race is irrelevant gets set up by you Gen. I never claimed I did, so there goes that self-righteousness along with the rest of your unenlightened self-interest. What I would like to know is if a solution is even possible, and listening to people like you, I would have to say No. Fortunately in reality you don’t speak for anyone but yourself, and even that is so much noise added to an already noisy background.

    Is this blog nothing but a mutual masturbation and whining arena?


  227. Teddy, you are free of course to make whatever statements you like, and without evidence they will be given all the validity they deserve. Frankly, I don’t care what you think about the concept of race, as without a doubt the definition is used as a political tool rather than in an overall historical context. I’ve already shown more than one example of a contradiction, which is all I need to do to make the claim worthless, and with little effort I could find many more.

    As far as Red Dwarf is concerned, Dave Lister is one of my all time favorite television characters and I think the actor is very good. That’s why I use the name of the character. Interesting what Dave Lister’s race is, don’t you think?


  228. “Race is irrelevant unless you want to cause division amongst those who are in the same economic straights.”

    You said that.

    You are dreaming if you think not trying to sort out racial baggage won’t have an effect on who gets what if the country gets back on its feet.
    White Americans have a long rich tradition of voting against their class interest because of racism so that ship has sailed, focusing on the gap without addressing the causes won’t fix it soo now I’m right back at my wife beating analogy and pretty much all of the previous post. If you don’t understand what binds the major atrocities to the smaller indignities in the list then I don’t know what to tell you. I’m not even going to get into your ally comment and ways in which race/gender/sexuality intersect, neither will I touch your bootstrap story and the irony of you calling me a hypocrite haha. You type a lot but say very little so I’m probably not going to read your next wall of text.


  229. “Unfortunately, JT, the Japanese have historically considered THEMSELVES to be of a different and better race than the Chinese or Koreans, a prejudice which still exists today. It doesn’t really matter that YOU consider them to be of the same race, the excuse for their behavior was exactly the same.”

    And yet you haven’t been able to exemplify this arguement with a japanese philosopher, political theorist, economist from the 17th century or forward like i have (Blumenbach/Jefferson) with a W. European/U.S example.

    And Blumenbach/Jefferson represent neither the earliest nor the most prolific authors on this subject and knowledge.

    Moreover, you have provided little evidence to your claim that the Japanese racially motivated and propped up a whole economy based on that claim.

    “Please, Matari, do and try to stay focused. The claim was that “race” was a purely European construct. That has been shown to be patently false.

    Derailment and diversion do seem to be your methods.”

    That seems to be a bit rich coming from someone who dived right into south-east asia for tangential evidence that barely even represents as much.


  230. Nope, Dave Lister always seemed pretty much compatible with a miscegenated future to me.With other words, though I do believe in the possibility of human races (subspecies, genetically distinct variants), I do not consider any hybrid between genetically different populations from Africa and/or from orher continents, as being anything but a generic human being. So Dave Lister is just “Species: Homo sapiens L.1758 Race: N/A” to me.

    “Unfortunately, JT, the Japanese have historically considered THEMSELVES to be of a different and better race than the Chinese or Koreans, a prejudice which still exists today. It doesn’t really matter that YOU consider them to be of the same race, the excuse for their behavior was exactly the same”

    Did they consider themselves a better people, a better culture, a better race, a better tradition or a better something else? The transition/translation of a concept between languages is often very hard. You claim that they thought of themselves as an English word, and I am pretty sure they did not do that.No contradiction, just another evidence that in the USA intelligence, unlike education, often seems to correlate with pigmentation.

    “The fact is that “race” is not a only a white concept, but is embedded in such things as the Hispanic “La Raza” name. ”

    La Raza is Spanish, thus Raza is a Spanish concept, White means European or descendant of Europeans in this context, Spain is a European Nation, and thus is La Raza a white concept.That some products of miscegenation use it to indicate themselves too, does not mean that the concept is not White.Where is your contradiction?

    “I don’t know about stormfront, but this is as racist a place as I’ve seen in the past 20 years. ”

    You don’t know about Stormfront? First week online? Got your vision restored by a miracle after 20 years? Please do tell. If this is really the most racist place you have ever seen, please do tell where you live, loads of dark folks would like to move into your neighbourhood.


  231. “Emilysnewfan
    abagond
    @ Emily:

    “Please quote something I said and then tell us why it is racist.”

    Abagond, look at your posts for a minute with an objective eye. You’re totally crazy and definitely racist. Is she/he actually going to get a useful reply from you?

    Best just to ignore you and see if anything useful can come from interaction with the other racist black people.”

    Wow:

    1. You call me a racist
    2. Refuse to back it up.
    3. Hide behind a sock puppet.


  232. @ Dave Lister

    Gen’s comment was great. She was not trying to disprove your statements but show how wrong your whole mindset is. You should reread it and try to understand it as if it might be true:

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/why-do-whites-hate-demonize-fear-or-look-down-on-blacks/#comment-107467


  233. @ just a white person…kind of

    “But at the same time, as an individual, I don’t appreciate being told what my viewpoints are based on my race. I guess I could understand why black people are still suspicous and accusing us whites all the time..it is not going to change overnight. but please don’t generalize every white person in the same category..if you don’t want to be generalized either, then you could understand.”

    I never ever say ALL whites or EVERY white. I am not that brainless. If my statements do not apply to you, then great, I am happy for you. But in my experience, MOST of the whites that it does not apply to do not get upset.


  234. @ Abagond

    It’s funny the number of times you’ve needed to clarify that (in my short time here I’ve seen it in a large number of your posts). I think you even clarified that with me when i first started posting here.

    It would seem that whites take the greatest exception when they are being prototyped. It would be interesting to track how strong our ire is to the prototypes of people of color. For example, how repulsed or outraged we become when we hear Gingrich talking about the black food stamp epidemic.
    Where is the roaring then?

    JT


  235. @V-4:

    ‘And I’m not bad talking the poor, been poor grew up with welfare and going to the dump to get clothes, toys and food. You did what you had to do to get by.’

    Point taken.

    ***********

    @Just a white person…kind of':

    ‘…nor do I believe I should give you special treatment due to the color of your skin.’

    I think this where many white people err in their thinking. I don’t think the vast majority of people of color want special treatment. FAIR treatment is what’s really desired. I think people look at some of the programs and spokespeople out there and ASSUME special treatment is what people of color are demanding. Special treatment is not the the goal, evening the playing field is.


  236. Fair treatment with a smile, perhaps.


  237. “I don’t think the vast majority of people of color want special treatment.”

    Yes, they do. And what is up with this term “people of color”? White people aren’t white, we are a range of difference skin tones.

    @brothawolf
    “And, they don’t care to hear our pain, frustrations”

    Unless I’m your therapist, you’re right, I don’t want to hear this.


  238. “…nor do I believe I should give you special treatment due to the color of your skin.”

    Most whites in America will say this but they always seem to find one excuse or another to oppose any solid measure that would threaten the special treatment that society gives their colour of skin. Most > 80%, in this case.


  239. @emily valier aka @emilysnewfan:

    So you’ve been hiding behind a sock puppet? You said you had to leave last night because you were off to the gym. It appears you are the one who doesn’t want to answer questions.

    @emily valier aka @emily’s new fan:

    ‘You’re more delusional and even LESS intelligent than the average Stormfront or VNN poster so it’s clear you’ll never be a threat to the long term survival of the United States or Western civilization as a whole ;-)

    This sounds kind of racist…and arrogant ; )


  240. “This sounds kind of racist”

    Most of what white people say, sounds racist to you, so what’s the difference.


  241. @Teddy:

    Smiles are cool when they’re genuine. ;-)


  242. If I am going to be held responsible for something my ancestors may have done over 150 years ago, then can I hold all black people responsible for present day black on white crime?


  243. Why would you? You have nothing to lose from the way in which the system is currently structured.

    There is no parallel here. I know the absence of one must be infuriating however you need to move on with life and accept that what is told to you is infact the truth.


  244. JT,
    Are you talking to me?


  245. No the person behind you. =D


  246. That was sarcasm. Yes I am talking to you.


  247. Well, I don’t get your point. If you don’t want to defend your own race, fine, a lot of white people aren’t interested in discussing race. I just don’t see why you are so down on your own people. You know we aren’t the way the people on here are making us out to be.


  248. Well, I guess i would say that i’m not with you on your premise: that white people represent “your own people.” Maybe in a very loose way (i.e. melanin, socio-economic privilege) but in many significant ways, we are quite different.

    I am surprised you haven’t found more of that over the course of your own socialization.


  249. White people are very diverse, we are interesting that way. We also don’t have strong race loyalty. These are good qualities, if you think about it. Even so, I’m not going to trash other white people just to be accepted by black people.


  250. “Is this blog nothing but a mutual masturbation and whining arena?”

    Given the mindless whining of the responses I’ll take “Yes” as the correct answer. Feels good but ultimately useless.


  251. “Is this blog nothing but a mutual masturbation and whining arena?”

    Given the mindless whining of the responses I’ll take “Yes” as the correct answer. Feels good but ultimately useless.

    Actually, here hardly qualifies. If you want to see what mutual masturbation and whining is among black people, just go look for a forum or blog about “Afrocentricsm”. If anyone wanted to see Nietzsche’s Last (Black) Man in action, that would be the place.

    Not even Black Marxists like those guys.


  252. “Is this blog nothing but a mutual masturbation and whining arena?”

    Given the mindless whining of the responses I’ll take “Yes” as the correct answer. Feels good but ultimately useless.

    A commenter answers his own comment about masturbation. Wow.


  253. For example, how repulsed or outraged we become when we hear Gingrich talking about the black food stamp epidemic.
    Where is the roaring then?

    At the homepage there is currently a profile on Ronald Reagan. At the end of that profile is on the welfare queen stereotype. That may be a good place to start in order to find the answer to your (rhetorical ) question.

    But the whole pigmentation thing being a way to keep people “out of the clubhouse” is something that I don’t necessarily buy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_United_States#Educational_attainment

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/03/black_immigrants_an_invisible.html


  254. Reading this blog is rocking me sideways.


  255. No, abagond, nobody else answered the question directly. I merely point out the conclusion based on the indirect answers given.


  256. Brothawolf said:

    “It’s futile to talk with them from a different point of view. They are too screwed up to give another person’s POV a chance, yet, they log into blogs like this for what? To disturb forums. To grab attention, and to spew their predictable bullshit.

    And that is the truth. They can’t stand the truth. They devalue truth. They could care less about how “we” feel. They don’t care if we are suffering.

    They want us to shut up and be happy while we love and respect them UNCONDITIONALLY.

    These trolls here are mentally challenged, psychologically broken, spiritually absent, morally deprived, overprivileged, warped human beings with self-esteem issues and too much idle time on their hands.”

    ——————————

    White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can – very accurately – be described as deluded – about themselves and about the world they live in.

    White people have managed to get through entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky:

    a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac. …

    People who cling to their delusions find it difficult, if not impossible, to learn anything worth learning:

    a people under the necessity of creating themselves must examine everything, and soak up learning the way the roots of a tree soak up water.

    As people still held in bondage must believe that “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make ye free.

    ***************
    James Baldwin


  257. Lara:

    Putting blackwomen on a pedestal is not about having control over blackwomen. As blackmen and men in general, we respect the building blocks of our humanity…God, Blackwomen, Family, Children, etc. If a blackman loves blackwomen, he loves black people…Bottomline!!!

    Tyrone


  258. @ Tyrone

    Save your energy for something more constructive.


  259. @ Matari
    ” a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac. …

    People who cling to their delusions find it difficult, if not impossible, to learn anything worth learning”

    Wow.
    I’ve heard comments about why blacks don’t love their country and such.
    This is an awesome, realistic explaination.
    I’ve always said that it’s not that blacks hate America but that we have a realistic view of it.

    And yes, delusions make it impossible to open ones’ mind. You become a mental slave to your own lies.


  260. @Truthbetold

    “Wow.
    I’ve heard comments about why blacks don’t love their country and such.
    This is an awesome, realistic explaination.
    I’ve always said that it’s not that blacks hate America but that we have a realistic view of it..”

    *********************

    “… we are the victims of a kidnapping, enslavement, embarrassment [hatred, oppression] and harassment. Everything else should be moot. Frankly, no kidnapped person should ‘behave’ according to the standards of the kidnappers.”

    Onitaset


  261. Matari, just when were you “the victim(s) of a kidnapping, enslavement,”?

    I can believe some of the last two embarrassment [hatred, oppression] and harassment.


  262. Lara asked a question that I have yet to see anyone answer. Why?


  263. Lara posts a lot, what question are you talking about?


  264. “If I am going to be held responsible for something my ancestors may have done over 150 years ago, then can I hold all black people responsible for present day black on white crime?”


  265. @Dave Lister: No, not all of them.


  266. Teddy: ???


  267. Dave Lister,

    I’m nowhere as generous as some others here, so I shan’t be feeding you any more TROLL food… please go beg somewhere else.


  268. Answer has been provided.


  269. Lara asked a question that I have yet to see anyone answer. Why?

    You know when you’re on a long car journey with kids getting fractious and bored in the backseat and the same conversation keeps going back and forth from adult to child with little variation:-

    “Are we there yet”

    “No”

    “When will we get there?”

    “Soon”

    “How soon?”

    ” X time”

    A few minutes passes

    “What time is it”

    “X time”

    “How long til we get there”

    “Well, if I told you we were due to get there at X time, how long do you think it will be?”

    “Yeah but, I want you to tell me cos its taking ages”

    “Come on, you can do it, lets work it out together”

    “Dont wanna, I’m bored. I wanna go home, its taking too long now”

    Get the gist. Look at the previous comments Lara has made on other posts – i’m sure she’ll make you proud!!!!


  270. @ Dave Lister:

    Lara is an attention whore and a troll. She is not serious about any of the things discussed on this blog. She just says whatever racist thing comes into her head and then sits back amuses herself with the reactions. She is not here to learn or understand or anything like that. She is a huge waste of time.


  271. You might be right, but it was still a legitimate question. Why do whites have to take responsibility for the crimes of whites from the past, and yet blacks don’t even have to take responsibility for current day crimes?


  272. Dave Lister,

    Why should anyone provide an answer to someone who will likely reject it because it doesn’t sit well with her “views”? Why should anyone attempt to make you, Lara, or any one of you like-minded thinkers try to see OUR POV when in the end, you don’t care no matter how many times you ask for proof or evidence you would reject anyway? In other words Dave, why bother?

    You think you’re right no matter what Abagond or anyone who disagrees says. So, what’s the point in conversing with you. For that matter, why come here if you don’t plan on considering different viewpoints? This is what I talked about earlier.


  273. @ Dave Lister

    You also seem to be a waste of time, which is why I have said little to you. You have received some excellent answers and comments which you either choose not to understand or pick at the edges of instead of understanding the substance of what is said to you. And then, after not truly listening to anyone, you expect us to listen to you and your advice.


  274. @Dave Lister, “Of them”

    @ Everybody,
    this is sort of an race relations historyl IQ-test,
    Click on the link,
    You see’ll a picture from Surinam before 1863,
    Watch it carefully
    Count the slaves.
    How many slaves are there?
    Please post the answer.

    http://www.schooltv.nl/slavernij/enlargment.jsp?vraag_id=10116


  275. I do see your point of view. I have put myself in a black person’s shoes many times. Even if I understand you, it doesn’t mean I have to agree with you.


  276. There aren’t any slaves in that picture.


  277. Lara, I’ll answer this question by asking this one: Why don’t whites take responsibility for their crimes, past, present, and way more numerous and destructive as well as become aware of the privileges they have as a result of those crimes commit by most whites, but expect all blacks to take responsibility for a few crimes by a few blacks against whites?

    Frankly Lara, I’m tired of you. You are not worth my blood pressure much less my attention. I’m going to do what your parents have done and give up on you.


  278. Lara, to be frank, you are too intellectually and morally retarded to learn…or evolve.


  279. @Lara

    Even if I understand you,

    The $64,000 question is not if or whether you do understand but whether or not you care to comprehend. I dont mean in the tactile sense – more from the fact that clearly, your ‘prejudices’ dont impede you in day to day life so does it really bother you whether you ‘get it’ or not….


  280. @ Demerera:

    That pretty much sums it up! :cool:


  281. Lara: 0, the answer of the humanist dreamer, who has no understanding at all of Dutch.

    The text under it translates as”The slave at the right has rented a slave boy”.


  282. Abagond, I don’t care if you listen to my advice or not, frankly, certainly much less than you care whether or not I accept yours. To say I’ve received “excellent answers and comments” is again stretching the definitions of words beyond all relevant use. What I have gotten are claims with no real backing, complaints with no real solutions proposed (other than white people are bad), and illogic and Catch-22’s that approach astronomical proportions. If I don’t get your POV it’s because it was either phrased in such racist language (by many here), made claims about what I personally think, is historically highly dubious, or simply ranting nonsense.

    Here Teddy replied to the question without any context and thinks he’s done his job – and I noticed you deleted my reply probably because of the word “silly”. “Not all of them” is an answer if you know what “them” in the question is being referenced.

    Someone posted a comment about how it wasn’t the job of black people to fight white racism, it was the job of whites. As if the correspondence of my skin color determines whether or not it’s my job. Turned around then it’s the job of the black people not white people to fight black crime and whatever other antisocial behavior blacks might engage in regardless of whether that’s their career, or they know the person, but only because they share certain familial characteristics.

    Another person claims race is an invention of whites, which can be and has been shown to be false. European “scientists” developed what has been called scientific racism, but that was due primarily to the fact that science itself in a methodical sense was a European development following the end of the Islamic golden age. That pseudo-science was opposed by others at the time and has since been repudiated by the mainstream scientific establishment.

    There seem to be many people here who are set in their world view that whites are the source of all evil, that all whites are responsible for what evil has occurred, and that we should simply accept that point of view as truth. I see people reinforcing each others distorted world view to the point where it becomes accepted truth in spite of the historical facts in contradiction. I’ve already said that I feel no guilt for the actions of anyone in the past other than myself, nor do I accept the flawed but apparently accepted notion here that I should without way more than I’ve seen here. By all means hang onto that, it seems so successful – and I’m sure you know the definition of insanity, right?


  283. Show that “race” as used in the country south of Canada, is not a European invention, please.


  284. Skimming through this article very quickly and reading some comments, this highlights one of the main things I absolutely do not like about the Internet, the ability for some people to return under a number of guises, characters and personas to wreak havoc, troll and generally just stir the pot.

    After a while the whole thing justs gets confusing, especially having to read through the trollish posts. I never know whether I’m on a serious website or involved in an experiment, which frankly spoils my enjoyment of this website and wanting to participate/contribute.

    How can I take anything seriously here when some of the characters appear to be disturbed in the mind?

    You never know who is who on here.


  285. Where are these “people” coming from???

    I’d hazard a guess and say Uranus. They are, for the most part comical. The perplexing thing for me is why do they bother? If I think someone is ‘stupid’ whether by choice or by inclination, I don’t talk or interact with them unless I am paid to. That speaks to their own lack of intelligence if anything. It also speaks to their lack of self -worth.

    Unfortunately, JT, the Japanese have historically considered THEMSELVES to be of a different and better race than the Chinese or Koreans, a prejudice which still exists today.

    But that happened to me too!!!!!

    Here in this group I see people like the host who consider, based on their race, that they are “better” than other groups.

    I don’t consider myself to be better than anyone. I AM BETTER, NO IFS ANDS, OR BUTTOCKS, I MEAN BUTS.

    Should I feel “guilt” that they fought for the British against the rebel Americans?

    Yes. Don’t get me wrong, I love Yankee men! I think every woman should have one, especially those fine football players in tights!

    Race is irrelevant unless you want to cause division amongst those who are in the same economic straights.

    Communist! Trotskyite, or Leninist?

    Well, as a white person, i neither fear you nor do I believe I should give you special treatment due to the color of your skin.

    Why not?

    I don’t recall anyone saying that they need to “shut up” or “be quiet”

    Shut up and be quiet Dave.

    but you go right ahead and feel special in your victim-hood and demand that all whites are out to oppress you,

    Dave, what do you think of woman-led relationships? Now that is oppression! Just ask any man in one!

    Where’s Dr. Grizlickson when you need him?

    If I am going to be held responsible for something my ancestors may have done over 150 years ago, then can I hold all black people responsible for present day black on white crime?

    The only crimes here are your babblings! Call the Cops!

    JT,
    Are you talking to me?

    No, your twin sister Ilsa, the she-wolf.

    We also don’t have strong race loyalty.

    Oh, but you do.

    Feels good but ultimately useless.

    That sounds like a lot of the men I have dated recently!

    “Is this blog nothing but a mutual masturbation and whining arena?”

    Maybe I should change my moniker to ‘Master Bates’, but I’m female. Mistress Bates doesn’t have the same feel!

    Matari, just when were you “the victim(s) of a kidnapping, enslavement,”?

    Last night.

    Lara asked a question that I have yet to see anyone answer. Why?

    Lara is full of turd that’s why.

    She is a huge waste of time.</em.

    Oxygen thievery should be made a felony over there in the States.

    Why do whites have to take responsibility for the crimes of whites from the past, and yet blacks don’t even have to take responsibility for current day crimes?

    Like I wrote before beeyotch, the only crimes are your constant babblings.

    and I’m sure you know the definition of insanity, right?

    I for one have seen insanity and its’ name is David Lister! Oh where is Dr. Grizlickson? At least he was funny! Seriously, you are one obtuse piece of bunghole matter! I don’t waste my time ‘explaining’ anything to you and your ilk except to mock. That is all you deserve.


  286. That’s true, Happiness. Oh, and that picture showed two slaves, a man and a boy, passing three free men, recognizable as such as they wear shoes, which was something slaves were not allowed to do in Surinam.


  287. @herneith: :D


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  289. Teddy, so everyone in bare feet is a slave? Who was the owner, one of the others in the picture? You are drawing conclusions that the picture alone does not grant. Also, nobody I know of claimed that “race as used in the country south of Canada” was not a European invention. That’s just another straw man amongst all the others that you seem to thrive on as arguments.

    Hereneith, I rather doubt anyone pays you for anything, much less to hear what “insights” you might have.


  290. Dave Lister,

    Why don’t you try and convince the rest of us that you are worth the free education that everybody has been supplying? Tell us why another minute should be spent on someone who ignores or refutes the facts? It would seem to me that you are, Sir, what we call a “lost cause.”

    JT


  291. I can’t find the exact quote, but Abagond wrote something about white crimes against blacks, in the past, were worse than black crimes today. Total BS. A crime isn’t some theoretical thing, it is something bad that actually happens to a real person. Unless you are prepared to tell me black people’s lives are worth more than white people lives, you have no leg to stand on.
    I would say black on white crime is more random and vicious, than white on black crime ever was.


  292. Lara,

    Why don’t you try and convince the rest of us that you are worth the free education that everybody has been supplying? Tell us why another minute should be spent on someone who ignores or refutes the facts? It would seem to me that you are, Sir, what we call a “lost cause.”

    JT


  293. Why don’t you answer my question? Any time black on white crime is brought up on this site, it is immediately dismissed. I want to know why. As far as race relations go, I am pretty open to seeing both sides. This is one area that is infuriating to me. If I have to be held responsible for a lynching that happened 100 years ago, then why can’t I hold all black people responsible for the violent crimes that are committed by black people, on a regular basis in this country?


  294. For all Herneith’s supposed humor, it’s pretty obvious to me that she is the stereotypical jealous, angry black woman. I have yet to see one comment of any value from her.


  295. Black-on-white crime is an issue, but not such an important issue as why Black-on-Black crime is more than the Black percentage of the population squared as percentage of all crime. That’s why.


  296. Black on black crime tends to be more things like disputes over turf and family or domestic issues. If white people are begin targeted merely because of their skin color, that is more alarming.


  297. @lara: Why it is more alarming? Because victims are whites? What about white on black crime then?

    You know the whites lynched blacks quite freely in the South just few decades ago, actually during the life time of your grandparents, I guess. Actually blacks were lynched in USA for couple hundred years at least. That is without court orders, just like that, just because they were blacks. But I guess that was not too big a deal, right? I mean, some white guy is robbed by blacks today. Lynching is nothing compared to that, is it?


  298. The free education I have been given would be worth exactly that on an open market, but what I might have learned is that:

    1. White people have a crack in their soul or no soul.
    2. Everything bad that happens/good does not happen is the responsibility of whites.
    3. That a white is racist no matter what he does or does not do personally.
    4. Racial guilt, racial virtue, and hereditary guilt and virtue are all facts.
    5. Whites solely invented the concept of race.
    6. Blacks are not responsible for their condition or any improvement in that condition, from pregnancy, schooling, and employment.
    7. If neighborhoods turn to hell following white flight, it is the fault of the whites who left, not the fault of those who stayed/replaced them and turned it to hell.
    8. If schools in black neighborhoods are violent, it is not the responsibility of the parents/residents to change this but for others to fix this.
    9. Black people cannot be racist because they have no power but all whites are because they all have power whether they know it or not.
    10. Attacking a person and calling them racist is the correct approach for every possible infraction, whether intended or not.
    11. That the list of four frames of a white persona talking about racism is designed with Catch-22 type logic such that a white person is always racist.
    12. Because all whites are racist whether they know it or not, the only solution is for whiteness to disappear – a la the Final Solution.

    Since I believe none of this, yes JT I’m sure in your racially polarized radically politicized mind I’m a “lost cause”, someone who believes that working together is the only solution – not conflict. I’ll wear that label proudly.

    Interesting, as this never occurred to me before now but I’m sure it has to others, Cavil in the new Battlestar Galactica series is a direct commentary on race relations. Cavil’s excuse for genocide would meet with the approval of some I’ve seen here.


  299. @Dave Lister: Oh, grow up, man! You behave like a three year old in a tandrum. If you do not like whats been said here, think about why all these people are saying what they are saying. Try to think what is it what makes people this bitter or recentful, angry or what ever. They did not just pop out of nowhere and started to behave nasty. Instead of trying to do that, you just whine like a baby.


  300. sam,
    White people are often murdered by black people today. I was not thinking of just theft, which barely gets the attention of the police.


  301. LOL, sam. I have avoided saying that very thing about the complainers here, and the lack of any useful solution proposed along with the complaints. What I posted is exactly, some of the the comments I have read perusing many of the older threads. So people are “bitter or resentful, angry or what ever”, that justifies whatever conclusions they want to draw as fact? I agree that in many cases there is cause, I disagree with the analysis and the lack of solutions.

    Feel free to point out exactly where a tantrum has been pointed out by myself, or is “tantrum” another code word used around here?


  302. on Wed 11 Jan 2012 at 22:21:51 vanishing point.

    @Dave Lister
    There are scientific studies that demonstrate that white people lack empathy for other groups, and also, that the more prejudiced the person is, the more likely that the person will also lack empathy for other groups. Sort of like a crack in the soul:) Here is one link, there are more studies if you google Michael Inzlicht.

    http://www.michaelinzlicht.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2011/06/Gutsell-Inzlicht-in-press1.pdf


  303. I see the pseudo-science of scientific racism is alive and well, but with those other than the mainstream scientists, including racists like vanishing point.

    Is that really the article you are going to quote as support : “Results revealed no significant differences between ethnic groups on any of these variables, all P’s > 0.16, ns, suggesting that the actors from each ethnic group were viewed similarly, at least at an explicit level.” Nowhere does it say what you claim.


  304. @VP, No that’s not what the article you linked to claims, the article says that the three Earasian groups all showed that behaviour. White was just used in the example.


  305. @ Dave Lister and Vanishing Point:

    I did a post on an earlier Inzlicht study (that does pretty much say what you are saying):

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/the-hearts-of-white-people-the-science/


  306. on Wed 11 Jan 2012 at 23:14:46 vanishing point.

    @Abagond, didn’t know you had done a post, now I get to read your take and all those comments, thanks:)


  307. Nonsense, abagond. A study that includes only whites as subjects, which this one did, says NOTHING about whites in the context of other races’ reactions to similar studies. You read what you want to read – eg. whites lack empathy for other groups. What it does say is the prejudiced individuals show a similar involuntary response on a test of responses to actions which themselves are neutral – drinking water. A scientist you are not.

    JT, the second study does not answer the question: who were the participants, at least that I saw. A study quoted within that study however says ” Responses made by African American participants in
    one study were indistinguishable from those of European
    American participants: both groups were biased toward claiming
    weapons in black hands more than in white hands (Correll et al.,
    2002).” Your reading of this study is just as flawed as abagond was in reading his, or vanishing point in his.

    Next.


  308. For all Herneith’s supposed humor, it’s pretty obvious to me that she is the stereotypical jealous, angry black woman. I have yet to see one comment of any value from her.

    And you won’t in regards to any of your posts. No, I am not a ‘jealous, angry black woman, I write as I find. I find you and your ilk to be hilarious, hence my supposed ‘humour’!

    Hereneith, I rather doubt anyone pays you for anything, much less to hear what “insights” you might have.

    I don’t expect to get ‘paid’ nor do I offer any ‘insight’ to you and your kind, it is a lost cause.


  309. on Thu 12 Jan 2012 at 01:21:38 vanishing point.

    @Dave Lister,
    I think you are focusing too much on trying to discredit this scientific study instead of thinking about the basic concept: groups favor and have empathy for their own group but not other groups.. And whiteness is the power structure in the United States. The whole concept of whiteness sets up a double standard that favors white people and disadvantages people of color. If we want to be moral and if we believe in social justice, if we want to uphold the beliefs that we claim that we cherish, than we have to find ways to increase our empathy for people of color and listen to the experiences that are very generously shared here.


  310. I didn’t discredit the scientific studies at all. I discredited unscientific conclusions drawn from them.

    As far as experiences are concerned, I have a lot of empathy for people who are the subject of abuse and job/loan/education discrimination. I have none for people in here ranting about slavery and genocide, blaming all whites in the process. Nobody here has experienced that, how ever strongly they rant about it. Similarly, I have no experience of the other side, no matter how strongly I feel about it.

    As an ally I’m someone who is all for coming down on the banks, businesses and whoever else has shown a pattern of intentional discrimination.

    The power structure in this country is MONEY. Most people will never have much money, black, white, or purple.


  311. Hereneith, in understanding your thought processes I am indeed a lost cause.


  312. Dave Lister,

    Just like your kind, it’s unscientific if it makes white people look bad, but on the other hand if it makes you look superior, then it’s legit. SMH.

    You don’t know what any of us who are “whining” have been through, nor can you understand how painful it can be. Even if we do tell you, you will dismiss it. People here do not whine. People come to sites like this to vent in a space where it is reserved for people like us who otherwise don’t have an outlet. We are sick and tired of the shit that happened in the past AND present, and we’re sick of being told not to voice our frustration. The last thing we need is you and others like you telling us that we’re whining, when you have no damn clue what it’s like to be black in America.

    It’s not your place to tell us what she should and shouldn’t think, should and shouldn’t say, or should and shouldn’t feel. If you do have empathy, you wouldn’t be constantly trying to tell us to stop ranting especially when you don’t know why. That’s not something someone with intelligence or morals would do.


  313. Brothawolf, but it’s perfectly ok for you to tell me what I think, what I should think, and demand that I accept your point of view. Obviously, you can’t read because I very much accept that many bad things still happen in the US. What I don’t accept is any group responsibility based on race when you wouldn’t either.

    Again, if all you want is a site for mental masturbation on racial topics then I have no further interest. If “white people just won’t understand” in part it’s due to attitudes like yours with no free exchange of ideas. If the majority here just want to ineffectively tell each other how bad whites are and what they should do with no challenge to your ideas then so be it. If talking about what white girls say to black girls is the key issue of the week, count me out. I don’t care about generalizations from either side. You tell me.

    As far as science is concerned, get a clue. It is never scientific to draw a conclusion unsupported by the data in question (or article in this case). Conclusions were being drawn and claimed based on these papers for support, when in fact the papers never made the claim, or didn’t conduct the level of research necessary to support the claim of the person here making it. I never refuted or tried to refute anything in those articles, only the misuse of those articles. They simply didn’t say what the poster in question claimed.


  314. @ Dave Lister

    If you are going to approach what is said here with a closed mind, finding reasons to dismiss what people are saying rather than trying to understand it, then, yes, it is a waste of your time. And people will see you as a lost cause and not take you seriously – why should they? It is not because you disagree with them – it is because you are not even seriously listening. Half of talking is listening.

    This blog, far from being just some kind of whine-o-rama of victim-hood, has plenty that examines and questions the very white way you think. White is not always right just because it paid for the microphone.


  315. Dave Lister,

    I didn’t say, nor implied that it’s okay for me to tell you what to think, say, or feel. So, stop pulling straws. And don’t imply that I can’t read. (Is it because I’m black, and therefore illiterate?).

    I was saying that is that this is one of the few spaces where people like me can talk freely about living in this society build on white supremacy. Also, I was saying that you have no idea what it’s like to be black in this nation. So, you think all we do is complain when you don’t know what we go through. You can’t make generalizations based on a lack of knowledge. We are not complainers, we are frustrated human beings trapped in a world your people constructed from the blood, sweat, and tears of the red and black man.

    By the way, this assumption that whites won’t understand because of attitudes like mine is a tone argument to avoid the subject. People like me don’t have attitudes for nothing. Like I said, we are frustrated, and your stubborn and condescending attitude not to take us seriously doesn’t help at all.

    We have ideas, but you won’t listen. You will assume this site is racist against whites without the slightest clue why and why it should be considerable. Most of us don’t hate whites, but we’re tired of the systems and mindset associated with whiteness in regards to POC, and we have the human right to express them.

    As far as science goes, the same could be said about scientific racism. They’ve made conclusions based on pseudo-scientific research which have been proven unfounded or false. Yet, they still have a following where people ate it up without question because it supported their racist beliefs. If it sounds good, people will jump on it whether it’s tested or not. Since this was an experiment with some results that were less than favorable to a certain population, it’s no surprise that they would avoid it at all cost and discount it.


  316. @dave lister: “Again, if all you want is a site for mental masturbation on racial topics then I have no further interest. If “white people just won’t understand” in part it’s due to attitudes like yours with no free exchange of ideas. If the majority here just want to ineffectively tell each other how bad whites are and what they should do with no challenge to your ideas then so be it. If talking about what white girls say to black girls is the key issue of the week, count me out.”

    There you go, behaving like a five year old who is mad when things do not go his way.

    I don’t agree everything said here, nor I do agree with everybody all the time, sometimes I agree with someone for something, sometimes I dissagree in some other subject. What I do not do, at least try to avoid, is getting angry or insulted. Once you start to go down that road, it is a dead end. That is why so many use that kind of arguing today.

    Like the talebans or other religious zelots, you stand up and shout: I am insulted! And that’s it. There are no more arguments. You just have been insulted and feel angry about it. There is no reason, just a feeling of being insulted and thats it.

    You try appear as a reasonable man, but you behave like any Al Qaida spokes person or closed minded zelot. “This is it! You accuse all the whites! I’m havin none of it!”. The end.

    You do not like to discuss about the slavery? Why? It is the basic cause of all the troubles between the blacks and whites in USA. That is a historical fact. To exclude that from any discussion about race or racism is not only stupid, but also dishonest. You can not wipe history away no matter how much it buggs you. One has to look history as it is and realise that we do not live in some La La Land which has no connection to the things way past. We are products of our histories, wheater we like it or not.

    United States of America has a history of racism and racial genocide. That is a fact. Those things echo still today. That is why this blog is alive too. That is why you feel insulted and so angry about these things. But instead of stopping there, instead of just being angry and/or insulted, you should dive head on into the history and look at it as it is. Germans have done that, why can not you? They have no illusions about their history, holocaust and all, why you should have?

    I understand that you get angry when some one here says “Whites this and whites that”. It is a generalisation. It may offend you. But at the same time, the black americans hear the same all the time. Even you say it in your responses: YOU do this and that, YOU say this and that about all the whites. Funny, isn’t it?

    And even when abagond has repeatedly again and again said and pointed out that he does not talk about ALL THE WHITES, you take it that way. Why? That is something what you should think about. Where that comes from? If you are not a racist and you have an open mind and intelligence to engage in a open discussion of the suibjects, why do you feel so offended? What is it that ticks you off? If you KNOW that you are not a racist white biggot, why do you get so angry, insulted, annoyed? I don’t. I am a white man. But, I am not an american white man. Perhaps there is something there.


  317. sam, there is nobody here with the power to insult me in any real way. I don’t allow people with thinking problems to rent that much space in my head. I’m not mad, I’m laughing at you just as I do at the asylum represented by those people commenting on Fox News stories. The hypocrisy here is almost world class. When I say I’m having none of it that means I’ve run out of time to play with the children discussing topics like “what white girls say to black girls”. It means, ok, I thought this was an adult blog, but it turns out not to be the case, so I’ll leave as the real head cases here keep demanding that I and anyone else do who doesn’t tow their party line. I’m not mad, or going to be mad, maybe disappointed, but I’ll live.

    As far as slavery is concerned, by all means discuss it. It is a dramatic part of US history, and a very sad blemish on the history of the country. But if I’m going to participate in that discussion, it will be because ALL of the details that are available from those times and the context in which it occurred are discussed, not just cut off at an arbitrary line selected for political purposes.

    You mention Germany. If Germany had overthrown the Nazis themselves before they wiped out most of the Jews the moral line would be different. This country went to war in the bloodiest conflict on a per capita basis in which the US has ever been engaged to eliminate the scourge of slavery. Tens of thousands of people were killed or maimed in the US civil war. Also, Germany until recently was a rather monolithic society, with very little immigration. The USA is a polyglot country with a population base that for the most part came here AFTER slavery was ended. The parallels between that case and ours is tenuous.

    I’m not offended, angry, insulted, or any other strongly emotional state of mind. I am a little annoyed at the lack of quality in the supposed facts that get tossed around, and I’m disappointed that the goal is not finding solutions, but in playing the blame game. If the whining from a few to leave is the consensus, I will. Simple as that. Not mad, or offended, but shaking my head once again at how silly people can be and wondering what it is you actually think you’re going to accomplish.


  318. brothawolf says “I didn’t say, nor implied that it’s okay for me to tell you what to think, say, or feel. So, stop pulling straws.”

    That is not a strawman. The theme of what whites should do and think runs under practically every topic that I’ve read so far.

    “And don’t imply that I can’t read. (Is it because I’m black, and therefore illiterate?).”

    So, you have an attitude. It isn’t helping you reach beyond the choir. That really isn’t my problem. That’s a YP, not an MP.

    That is called a “prejudicial question”. If I imply you can’t read its because you clearly haven’t read what was written. The fact that you would even weasel that “reason” in says worlds more about you than it does about me. I have done less stereotyping here than pretty much every other poster I’ve seen, including the host.

    “By the way, this assumption that whites won’t understand because of attitudes like mine is a tone argument to avoid the subject. People like me don’t have attitudes for nothing. Like I said, we are frustrated, and your stubborn and condescending attitude not to take us seriously doesn’t help at all.”

    So, you have an attitude. It isn’t helping you reach beyond the choir. That really isn’t my problem. That’s a YP, not an MP. It’s like an emotional person lashing out at everyone but wanting them to love and support them anyway.

    Yep, scientific racism was not science. It was an aberration and a misuse of the word science. Some people ate it up, no doubt. Lately here it has been attempted to be used by those to show “whites are bad, or lacking empathy or (insert your claim here)”. However, in this case, the papers cited for support of that position don’t say anything of the kind. I don’t know what population you are referring to in this case, that show it in an unfavorable light and so try to avoid it and discount it. The papers themselves don’t do so. The claims people were making for these papers don’t sound any different than someone claiming “blacks have been found to have a lower IQ” or “blacks have been found to be naturally violent” – nonsense that also gets repeated by those trying to sound like they have a scientific argument.

    There is no difference.


  319. abagond, if someone tells me that they’ve been assaulted, or raped, or denied a promotion, or kept from doing something because of their race, I’m all ears.

    When someone says ” this is the way whites think, it’s wrong, and this is the way whites should think” then you will have a strong discussion for two reasons: one, because the thinking among whites is as varied as the number of people in that group. For two, you have no authority to tell me or anyone else how we should think. THERE IS NO MONOLITH. You are however free to tilt at windmills in this country.

    “This blog, far from being just some kind of whine-o-rama of victim-hood, has plenty that examines and questions the very white way you think. White is not always right just because it paid for the microphone.”

    That’s a strawman, which seems to be a preferred form of argument here – white is not always right. In fact, white doesn’t even agree on what’s right, any more than any other arbitrary grouping of people do.

    It’s also nonsense, since you don’t have a clue about me, my politics, my history, where I’ve lived, and what I’ve been through. Similarly I don’t have a clue about your background. There are two options, common ground or hostility. Given that common ground seems to be out, I’ll leave rather than deal with irrational hostility. Again, not mad, not offended – both would rent space in my head.


  320. @ Dave Lister

    All I know of you is what you wrote here and it is full of scripted, white racist tropes. That is what I based “the very white way you think” on.

    My comment was not an argument, straw man or otherwise. It was just a bit of advice. Do with it what you will.


  321. @dave lister:

    “I’m disappointed that the goal is not finding solutions, but in playing the blame game. If the whining from a few to leave is the consensus, I will. Simple as that. Not mad, or offended, but shaking my head once again at how silly people can be and wondering what it is you actually think you’re going to accomplish.”

    We can not have any solutions unless we know what is wrong and you keep on denying that there is something wrong. You call it “The Blame Game”. Catchy, but very silly. The only way to accomplish anything is to open it up, let the problems come out. You do not want that. You want to deny them, at least the ones which do not suit you. That is childish and very very immature. Just like your announcement that you are going to walk out. It is precicely the kind of behavior that a person has when he is feeling insulted/offended, just like you do, no matter how much you keep denying it. You are offended when blacks say that whites should examine their heads, right? Why?

    “You mention Germany. If Germany had overthrown the Nazis themselves before they wiped out most of the Jews the moral line would be different. This country went to war in the bloodiest conflict on a per capita basis in which the US has ever been engaged to eliminate the scourge of slavery. Tens of thousands of people were killed or maimed in the US civil war. Also, Germany until recently was a rather monolithic society, with very little immigration. The USA is a polyglot country with a population base that for the most part came here AFTER slavery was ended. The parallels between that case and ours is tenuous.”

    Nazis considered the jews and the gypsies and slavs and others to be a race apart. They did not see their country homogenious at all. They attempted to make it such according to their ideology, that is by killing all the jews and some others. Some lesser races were destined to be as slaves for their “aryan master race”. I think that kind of thinkin was very much similar as the one which americans had when they slaved blacks and tried to wipe out the native americans. Arguments were very much the same for similar reasons.

    The reasons behind the civil war were more complicated than just about slavery. Perhaps you have been brainwashed to think so by your official version of that part of your history. Some states fighting for the Union were actually supporting slavery and practising it. General Lee was an officer in US army before the conflict and originally wanted no war at all in which he was forced to take part in. The economic, political and many other issues were at stake. Not just slavery.

    And on that note, when slavery was officially ended, what happened? Did the inherit racism in the very system of the nation and its government sees to be? Did USA hug and kiss the native population and accepted them as brothers? How come a black person could not drink from the same public fountain as whites in the South in early 1960’s? Why native americans were killed by federal and state officials as late as in 1970’s when they wanted what the government had promised to them in many, many legal agreements?

    Americans, specially white americans, are very fond of talking about moral values, morals etc. That is why the country is very much a hypocracy, moralistic nation, which talks about the right things and does something else. You are part of that culture. Instead of taking a hard long look at yourself and your country, you want to control the debate. You want people talk like you want. You do want the support of your views and not anything else. You get offended. You get insulted. You act like somebody is calling your mama something dirty. But I am not laughting at you. I feel deep sorry. You are part of the problem, like it or not.


  322. this assumption that whites won’t understand because of attitudes like mine is a tone argument to avoid the subject. People like me don’t have attitudes for nothing. Like I said, we are frustrated, and your stubborn and condescending attitude not to take us seriously doesn’t help at all.

    We have ideas, but you won’t listen. You will assume this site is racist against whites without the slightest clue why and why it should be considerable. Most of us don’t hate whites, but we’re tired of the systems and mindset associated with whiteness in regards to POC, and we have the human right to express them.

    Exactly.


  323. “We can not have any solutions unless we know what is wrong and you keep on denying that there is something wrong.”

    Strawman Number one.

    “You call it “The Blame Game”. Catchy, but very silly. The only way to accomplish anything is to open it up, let the problems come out. You do not want that. You want to deny them, at least the ones which do not suit you.

    Strawman number two – or perhaps a reading problem.

    “That is childish and very very immature. Just like your announcement that you are going to walk out. It is precicely the kind of behavior that a person has when he is feeling insulted/offended, just like you do, no matter how much you keep denying it.”

    Persistent strawman claim in the absence of fact. Childish and immature indeed.

    “You are offended when blacks say that whites should examine their heads, right? Why?”

    Strawman number three. My response to that is the same as a black persons would be – whites and blacks are not a monolithic entities. In a generic sense everyone should examine their heads all the time. However you don’t know what I think, any more than someone who claims that whites have a “crack in their souls”. Some do. Most don’t.

    “I think that kind of thinkin was very much similar as the one which americans had when they slaved blacks and tried to wipe out the native americans. Arguments were very much the same for similar reasons.”

    Very likely, at least for some. Other Americans held the opposing point of view. At the beginning a compromise was attempted in the hope that slavery would end I suppose. In the end however an extremely bloody war had to be fought. In Germany no such actions occurred, although there were some Germans opposed to the system no significant rebellion happened.

    “The reasons behind the civil war were more complicated than just about slavery.”

    Of course it was. Do you really want to go off in the direction of state’s rights vs the central government and other related issues? The fact is that the rebellion itself was sparked by the election of Lincoln who it was feared would end slavery.

    “General Lee was an officer in US army before the conflict and originally wanted no war at all in which he was forced to take part in. ”

    General Lee believed he was a Virginian first, an American second, as did many other at that time. The war forced him to choose.

    “Did USA hug and kiss the native population and accepted them as brothers?”

    Did you expect to jump from the end of slavery to love in an instant? Nothing I’m aware of evolves that quickly, especially when attitudes have to die with the person before they change.

    On public drinking fountains and the NA incidents, I don’t know. The drinking fountains were a fixture in particular areas of the country, ended with “separate but equal” doctrine.

    “That is why the country is very much a hypocracy, moralistic nation, which talks about the right things and does something else. You are part of that culture.”

    I agree completely – including many other actions like the war in Iraq, torture of prisoners, the war on drugs, the negative influences of the churches, the distortion of money power, the ignorance of the electorate, on and on. You won’t find me disagreeing with any of that.

    “Instead of taking a hard long look at yourself and your country, you want to control the debate.”

    Nonsense. I can’t possible “control the debate”. I also have a very jaundiced eye towards this country given that my wife and I talk about becoming political refugees to another country should the Republicans win the next election. You don’t know me, or what “hard looks” I’ve done in the past or continue to do. You’d rather make unsupportable claims.

    “You want people talk like you want. You do want the support of your views and not anything else. You get offended. You get insulted. You act like somebody is calling your mama something dirty. But I am not laughting at you. I feel deep sorry.”

    More repetitive strawman claims. Get over them, they are not factual they are merely an attempt to make me the subject of your debate rather than whatever issue exists. If that’s how you debate, I can well believe that you’ve never gotten anywhere with one.

    “You are part of the problem, like it or not.”

    1/312,841,543th of the problem as of this exact moment.


  324. “All I know of you is what you wrote here and it is full of scripted, white racist tropes.” “Do with it what you will.”

    I’ll take that drunken nonsense with a beer chaser please.


  325. @ Dave Lister

    I’m a little confused as to why you are here. You pretty much have to be looking for this blog to find it and it primarily deals with Black issues.

    I personally would never go to a website that dealt with White issues and do what you are doing, so you don’t see anything strange about your presence here?


  326. Ah yes, another demand for compliance. If this blog “primarily dealt with black issues” it wouldn’t spend so much time talking about perceived white issues and what whites should do to change.

    I’ve already stated how I found this blog, and no, I wasn’t looking for it. It is interesting to find a blog that is a mirror image of some of the tamer white racist websites.


  327. @ Dave

    I too am confused as to why you are here.

    The reason why we, as people of colour, spend so much time discussing whiteness is because we are constantly at the brunt of it.

    Black issues are indeed comingled with white issues because of this racist society.
    You cannot deny that there is one without the other.
    If you do…please find another blog.
    This is not the one for you.


  328. Of course issues are comingled, but that wasn’t what the previous poster claimed now, was it.


  329. @ Dave Lister

    I am not asking you to comply with anything. Why are you so defensive?

    I think the problem is that you don’t think you are brainwashed. You don’t think there is anything wrong with you. You think you are a completely rational thinker. You are not.


  330. I may not be a “completely rational thinker”, SomeGuy, but compared to anyone I’ve seen post in response to me I’m the ultimate rational thinker.

    Anyone who has to ask why someone is a little defensive given the silly responses is pretty far down the list.


  331. @Dave Lister

    When a person goes to Alcoholics Annonymous, one of the first things they do is stand up and say, “Hi, I am so-and-so. I’m an alcholic.” The person humbly acknowledges his affliction. That individual may slip up, now and then, but at least he recognizes the problem and takes each day as he can.

    You haven’t even entered the building yet, much less SERIOUSLY admit you have a problem.


  332. Did you have something relevant to say, SomeGuy, or were you just randomly sniping with BS?


  333. @dave lister: “On public drinking fountains and the NA incidents, I don’t know.”

    That is right, you do not know, and yet you make claims here like you know. That, my friend, is part of the problem. If you knew that federal officers shot down unarmed native americans in 70’s and got easily away with that, you would come down from your high horse and start to talk about the issues instead of acting like the highest authority on everyhting or some highschool debate club referee.

    If, by some miracle accident, you would’ve been looking at a gun pointed at you just because the officer of law took you by mistake as an native one, you would have another kind of perspective towards these issues. I can assure you, it is very much claryfying moment when you realize, that your life is in danger because the policies of the federal state by an officer of that said state. Just because they mistakenly think you are part of a group they are after because of their race identity. Or when you are in a car with young black men at night and two police cruisers stop you “just to check you out”. Those are moments which make some issues very clear very fast.

    Now, before you start throwing straw men around again, these incidents are real. They happen in USA every day. Racial profiling is alive and doing extremely well. That is part of the problem and that is why some of the black commenters here seem to be a bit annoyed towards the white americans. I very well understand that perhaps you never have had such experiences and regard them as fanciful story telling, but if so, then that is also part of the problem. Perhaps you understand what I am trying to say.Perhaps you do not.


  334. @Someguy:

    in response to @Dave Lister:

    ‘When a person goes to Alcoholics Annonymous, one of the first things they do is stand up and say, “Hi, I am so-and-so. I’m an alcholic.” The person humbly acknowledges his affliction. That individual may slip up, now and then, but at least he recognizes the problem and takes each day as he can.”

    I was going to use that same analogy for a comment on a different thread. It is so fitting. In order to overcome a problem, one has to admit that there IS a problem.


  335. Dave Lister,

    You’re no different than the other trolls stop by. You throw around your arrogance and conceitedness trying not to take in what other people are saying while, on the other hand, expect them to agree with you. Abagond, Sam, Truthbetold, SomeGuy, and myself disagree with you and presented sound reasons as to why. You on the other hand can’t accept it, and as a result become defensive making childish insults.

    We are just saying that there is another side to the stories that you’ve obviously been taught since day one, and that side should never be discounted simply because you have an inability to understand them. You could at least try to see it from a different perspective. Now, I know you’re thinking that it applies to us as well, but the problem is WE ALWAYS HEAR IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHITES, and what you’re saying is what we hear all the time. You see in the world of whiteness, we have to learn what you learn, see what you see, think what you think, and feel what you feel. However, you don’t have to learn, see, think, or feel from the side of nonwhites.

    That is a privilege that you have that keeps you from different experiences. Your ego and pride clearly shows in your responses. You can try to deny it or rationalize it all you want. You can continue to demean us if that’s what you want, but it just shows your closed-mindedness.


  336. When a person goes to Alcoholics Annonymous, one of the first things they do is stand up and say, “Hi, I am so-and-so. I’m an alcholic.” The person humbly acknowledges his affliction. That individual may slip up, now and then, but at least he recognizes the problem and takes each day as he can.

    You haven’t even entered the building yet, much less SERIOUSLY admit you have a problem.

    That’s the point Dave Lister. You are so drunk and addicted to the privileges you have of being a white man in white dominated society, you don’t see it as a problem. You probably don’t even know you have privileges over other groups. When you realize that your whiteness and white privileges are actually hurting you and others, then it’s the first step towards opening your mind.

    Thanks SomeGuy.


  337. sammy, when I say I don’t know I mean I don’t know the details. But then, if I said I knew you’d complain and now you complain because I said I don’t know. Nice logic there, bud. I didn’t live in the south, so I only know what I’ve read on that topic, and I’m glad it is no longer the case that seperate but equal is forced. On the NA case, I was out of the country for several years and I haven’t read anything in detail about what went on – and I assume you are referring to South Dakota.

    “I very well understand that perhaps you never have had such experiences and regard them as fanciful story telling, but if so, then that is also part of the problem.”

    Then you clearly haven’t been reading what I’ve written, because not once have I denied that such events have occurred and continue to occur in this country. Now why don’t you calm down, stop with the self-righteous angry man routine, and go back and find all the places where I have accepted that this country is far from perfect. Here’s a hint: I know it’s very far from perfect and that racially motivated killing and oppression still occur. When you get that in your head, come back and tell me where it was that I’ve ever said that a particular such event never happened.

    As before, you ARE left with strawmen.


  338. Your “sound reasons” brothawolf, don’t pass the smell test for reason at all. So far of the posters here only one is less rational than your posts, and I haven’t seen he/she post in a while and I’ve purposely avoided commenting on other threads. As far as childish insults are concerned, remove the beam in your eye pal.

    Frankly at this point the nonsense has gotten repetitive. You want to persist in your myth and I refuse to adopt it. I guess I’ll stay drunk on my white power in a town pretty much dominated by Mexicans and let you do deal with you. We’ll see how it works out for you.

    Nom de plume, to overcome a problem there must be a problem, it must be recognized, and a solution must be formulated. Apparently the solution part eludes everyone including those complaining here.

    I will probably continue to lurk just for humor’s sake.


  339. Abagond:

    We live in the real world, not disneyland. White folk gotta let “The Wizard of Oz” stuff rest in peace. Black people have tongue, Will Speak With Passion!!!

    Tyrone
    Black Eros


  340. Dave Lister,

    You said my reasons are not sound, but yet, you haven’t shown why or how. At this point, I tire of this back-and-forth with someone who proves what I’m saying not only about him, but other people who think like him.


  341. Still, Dave Lister, why are my reasons not sound and yours are?


  342. I find some of the blogs on this site quite interesting. However I think there is too much emphasis on “black vs. white.” I’m not American, so I can’t really judge what it’s like for Americans…but I think Canada is pretty much the same and I’ve spent a lot of time in the states.

    I think race relations in general have gone beyond black/white in the US.There are huge numbers of people from all over the world in particular the hispanic and asian population.

    It is worth noting that while whites still have the vast majority of the population in the US, people of asian origin now have a higher median income, higher levels of education, and higher average IQ.

    Take that for what it is. The fact is Asian people in North America (who have only lived here for max. 1 or 2 generations) seem to be surpassing both whites and blacks. And we’ve been here for hundreds of years! We’re spending too much on football, video games, and celebrities.


  343. Actually I believe they have a higher income per household but that the thing is they have on a average a few more people living per household than white people do.

    That they actually get under paid on average despite having notably better educations than their white counterparts.

    I could be wrong here, I mean things could have changed since the last time I bothered to look these things up.


  344. @Sam

    Slavery may not have been the “only” reason for the civil war it was certainly the main one and the biggest, as specifically referenced by their leaders in speeches and several states who joined the South’s side.

    Yes it was about states rights, the states right to own slaves.


  345. I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be “the Union as it was.” If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

    http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm


  346. Why is it so hard for black people to accept that they are inferior i mean we are really giving you a favour to include you in the modern human category but since you haven’t had any civilization of worth whatsoever no scientist whatsoever no inventors you have absolutely contributed nothing to this world on the other hand everything you are enjoying in the modern world has been invented by Caucasians (and i don’t use the word white since a lot of people think race is about colour which it isn’t it is about the shape of the skull and people of European and middle eastern decent are considered Caucasian) and I mean every invention and amazing discoveries in science,art, music,literature from the ancient times, be it the Persian empire, Greece, Roman empire to the middle age empires of the holy Roman empire Ottoman empire to the renaissance age with great inventors such as Leonardo da Vinci up to the modern world with inventions such as auto mobile, air plane, modern machinery they have all been invented by Caucasians all three types be it Nordic(Germans, Dutch, Norwegians, Swedish etc.),alpine(Russians, Swiss, etc..) or Mediterranean(Italians, Spanish, Greek, French, Persians etc..) we have proved ourselves to be the most advanced human beings, I mean you people could have achieved these as well but that’s how nature is some become smarter and more creative and others don’t and it’s nothing to get upset about it is just how nature works, you don’t see a baboon complaining about not being as smart as a chimpanzee haha, but that’s how evolution is we Caucasians have evolved more than others from our ancestor Australopithecus which closely resembles modern chimpanzee. By the way have you ever wondered why blacks look very similar to chimpanzees and have achieved the least and why Caucasians look the least like chimpanzees and have achieved the most, it give you something to think about. You people even comparing yourselves to us is pathetic in the least.


  347. @al d

    Apart from the embarrasingly inarticulate diatribe, littered with gramatical and punctuation errors what have YOU specifically done that has contributed to the greatness of the white race?

    Meanwhile ts all very well hanging on to the coat- tails of some of the innovative pioneers of the past and present but, it is always amusing when people like yourself come on to blogs like this. You try to take credit for it your self whilst deliberately ignoring that cyclical events i.e. the origins (defintately not always ‘white’), the evolution of (certainly not always ‘white) that take place in the development of any invention. By the same token its not ‘always’ POC either but, a fusion of and a combination of both but hey, I guess your history books didnt tell you that did they.

    You people even comparing yourselves to us is pathetic in the least.
    It is you that is doing all the comparisons, and statements such as you don’t see a baboon complaining about not being as smart as a chimpanzee haha, demonstrate how smart and knowledgeable you are – you must really make the white race proud *rolls eyes*

    Anyway, i’m sure your post will evoke some emotional responses out there,buckets of tears….of laughter.


  348. @ Demerera

    Isn’t it interesting how these silly types of “Caucasians” trolls latch onto certain accomplishments of others? Yet they never seem to claim the other type of accomplishment – 500 years worth of ATROCITIES visited upon POC by folks who classify themselves as white.

    These “proud” people want to claim the glorious past, but not the bad and the ugly past.
    Why not??


  349. @anyone:

    I not going to engage “al d” directly. It’s impossible to reason with this kind of “logic.” I will say that I’m glad he posted. It serves a purpose. It plays into what some have been discussing on so many of these threads. I especially enjoyed the monkey references. Lovely.


  350. @Matari

    I always get the sense that the ones who post most about the achievments and accomplisments of people of a bygone era and lamenting about how they were responsible worldwide for creating civilisation, are the ones who are ‘reaching’ to find some pride that they can attribute to themselves in day to day life.

    In other words, they feel that have no relevance or significance in day to day life so, they tread on the ones they feel can elevate them.

    the people who post on here in this vane are like a broken flippin record *sigh*


  351. I find it amusing that many deluded White people believe that every single invention they see around them was created by them.


  352. Demerera,

    It’s a complex they have. Behind the computers, they have no life. They have nothing going on for them. They are bitter, and they are not too bright. The only thing they have going for them is their pale skin. So, they will project their shortcomings and faults onto black people to make themselves feel better.

    Also, we have to realize that some of them are indeed a lost cause, online at least. They need to see a psychiatrist, but instead they get therapy from the internet.


  353. Nom De Plume,

    It’s amazing when they try to argue against you, they always prove your point. I always thank these people for proving my cases for me.


  354. Being a white guy myself I find it extremely funny when ever some one starts to rant about the glorius history of the “Caucasians” and include themselves in to that imaginary “race”. There is something so pathetic in it.

    @brothawolf: “They need to see a psychiatrist, but instead they get therapy from the internet.” :D Very much indeed.


  355. @ Satanforce

    Missippi:

    In the momentous step which our State [Mississippi] has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

    Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery– the greatest material interest of the world.

    Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

    Jefferson Davis:

    ..if I had not believed there was justifiable cause; if I had thought that Mississippi was acting without sufficient provocation, or without an existing necessity, I should still… because of my allegiance to the State… have been bound by her action. I, however, may be permitted to say that I do think she has justifiable cause, and I approve of her act.

    I conferred with her people before that act was taken, counseled them then that if the state of things which they apprehended should exist when the convention met, they should take the action which they have now adopted…

    It has been a conviction of pressing necessity, it has been a belief that we are to be deprived in the Union of the rights which our fathers bequeathed to us, which has brought Mississippi into her present decision. She has heard proclaimed the theory that all men are created free and equal, and this made the basis of an attack upon her social institutions [i.e., slavery]; and the sacred Declaration of Independence has been invoked to maintain the position of the equality of the races.

    Cornerstone Speech:

    But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.

    [Thomas] Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this [slavery], as the “rock upon which the old Union would split.” He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day.

    Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the “storm came and the wind blew.”

    Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

    This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails.

    I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men.

    The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal.


  356. I think moral absolutism in storytelling is fairly common in all cultures. People like to identify with good people, and watch bad people be cast down.

    I’m not complaining, though. This was a great post.


  357. Stupid post and stupid conversation that followed.

    I can offer a much more realistic reason why many whites dislike blacks, or at least don’t want to live with them and finance them. (note that most “white supremacists” don’t necessarily hate blacks)

    The main issues:

    1. Crime
    2. Low average IQ

    So instead of continuing this ridiculous discussion of the obscure roots of racism, look this stuff up. The average black IQ in the USA is 85, and cutting edge genetic and neuroscience produces overwhelming evidence that IQ is genetic (i.e. it can’t be changed).

    And just look at prisons. Before somebody thinks it, crime isn’t because of poverty – there are far more poor white people than there are poor black people but the prisons are full of blacks.


  358. @Sandwich

    Well; part of why prisons are full of black people is racism, put it this way there are around 6 times as many white drug dealers and users as black people.

    Because there is about that many times more white people than black people and races on a whole in the US more or less have the same amount of drug usage as one another.

    So if 6x as many white people use and sell drugs as black people than how come 50% of people in jail on drug charges are black?

    We know thats not accurate for their involvement in the drug trade or use of drugs and we know thats inaccurate towards their purportions in the US?


  359. @ sandwish

    Far from the modern conservative utopia of a “colour-blind society,” Euro-centric racial chauvinism seems to rear its ugly head. You are just one of a whole generation of whites who will continue to peddle notions of black intellectual inferiority.

    It is possible that some day the white race may be able to look at people of different races and see them as human beings without losing sight of what is special and unique about racial or ethnic membership?


  360. @V-4, recent research in the Netherlands showed that people who looked “Not-Dutch” had a chance about 5 times greater than the non-migrant natives, to get a verdict involving jail time, and people who did not speak the lingo well about 4 times greater. Reasons are not very clear, but it was suggested that court was less willing to try alternative punishment, you know forced labour in liberty and such, with people who might be harder to communicate with.

    If Euro-Americans see Afro-Americans as foreigners, something like that may be going on.


  361. Its fair to say that the black population of this world are in a disadvantaged position currently, and those facts must be respected. However, I feel this ‘blame game’ towards whites has gone out of hand and finger pointing from a black perspective is the order of the day, if not the only order of the day.

    Lets call a spade a spade without any emotional connotation.

    Since the black american aqcuired more ‘human rights’ in the public sphere they are more vocal towards the wrong doings of the white man, than having a faint idea about their own wrong doing and where it all started. Going back to the early 1200s, when african slave trading were strive amongst the arabian/islam community, those very chiefs of their respective clans had very little respect for their own community and were much worried about their own level of wealth and popularity. Its a given fact that those chiefs sold their own people towards enslavery, not by force, but by will. It is only in the 15 -1600s when the euro community became accustomed to the idea and participated.

    Looking back at that alone, does it not give one a sense of human abuse from one black man over another black man? Wher is the respect in that considering the modern black mans cry for more respect? If my mother was to pimp me for money in order to finance her lifestyle, do you ever think those i’m pimped to will respect me? I’ll leave that to you.

    Also some comments her relates to the fear whites have of black, does that mean the arabians are also fearful of the black man as the main ideology of black enslavement lies with them? Not sure about that. There are comments about white superiority, white racism etc etc. Apologies, in greater world history racial superiority has always been very visible amongst on racial cast over another one. The famous Ghandi believe that Indians should not live amongst blacks during the South African aparheid years as indians a culturally and racially more superior than blacks. Till today the chinese sees blacks as inferior, but in the same sentence the euro community too. So what is the issue her? Is there a level of insecurity amongst blacks. Do they need to use the blame culture to find some ideological culture. If I ask the average black american what he thinks needs to be done in africa, the continent of his roots, the general response I get is hmmmmm, then he finds a way back to blaming.

    Many of you commenting on this post don’t even have the faintest idea on the history of africa.

    I see some making comments; white superior men raping black inferior women. But yet forgetting that the black alpha male man does the same. Is it not wrong irrespective of whether it is white over black or black over black?

    Coming back to the African landscape and that of the tribal system, if malcolm x had to live during the 1200s, wheb slave trading was strive and accepted by the african chiefs, would he have spoken out against his own ‘brother’? Well if he did, let me tell you, the chief would not have thought twice to have him killed. Believe me, no one questions the african chief.

    But yet malcolm x had a voice against white oppression.

    In fair history, the african clans also oppressed. Now taking into consideration that the khoisan people of africa are the true african sons. Humanities genes comes from these people, not the black africans. African clans oppressed the khoisan, the khoisan was a graceful people. Not following the paths of war,peaceful in themselves and their culture. The khoisan has been present on the african continent from more than 30 000bc. Up till today the back african will not acknowledge this. How many african americans even know about the khoisan? Yet following blame culture as the only way to find meaning is the order of the day.

    Now don’t get me wrong. I find many faults with the white man. His ways and doings. But one thing i can say is that what happened was a clear indication of what humanity should not do. Is there not a lesson learned? Why blame, try to find ways of breaking down another person for wrongdoings if we can start living lives promoting racial equality. Is this not the path of perfecting humanity?


  362. I think it’s because some believe they steal, murder, rape, make a mess, involved in crime, are loud, obtain low education results, are noisy, arrogant, aggressive, have a victim mentality, want everything for nothing, can’t think for themselves, aren’t inventive, use the race card when they fail, feel whites owe them forever because of slavery but won’t acknowlede that their own people enslaved them and never look to the Arabs for their involvement, can’t seem to advance themselves without white assistance etc. This is certainly not my own feelings but feel this about sums up a lot of (some) white people’s feelings.


  363. Jimbo, they are your feelings.

    To everyone else :

    Here we have a textbook study. He spouts everything from the Arab trader argument to race cards to slavery. :) Observe, and take notes. We have a real live breathing specimen that encompasses everything Abagond has painstakingly documented in racist white pathology.


  364. on Wed 28 Mar 2012 at 21:23:21 flipperd1@yahoo.com

    now white people has passed on the hatred and racism to other people of non color ,the dominicans,puerto ricans ,mexicans,jews,and any other people of non color i live in new york if you are black in new york you can hang it up every race is out to destroy black people ,police only lock up black people.in the boro of manhattan ,from 125st down is 95 percent white but the arrest are 97 percent black go figure anything to keep black people down .i one never hated no one until now.white, puerto ricans,dominicans,mexicans kill them all and let god sort it out.


  365. this to the racist al d your day will come and i hope im there to watch you beg ,


  366. I think you should be asking the real question: Why do blacks hate whites?


  367. @Mary

    I think you should be asking the real question: Why do blacks hate whites?

    Care to enlighten us on your theory on this?


  368. V-4

    Well; part of why prisons are full of black people is racism, put it this way there are around 6 times as many white drug dealers and users as black people.

    There are probably more white drug users than black. But I doubt there are more white drug dealers. Gangs are a major indicator of drug distribution. That’s one of the main reasons gangs exist. And there is very little white gang activity.

    The reason there appears to be a disproportionate number of blacks in prison for drug use is because most blacks arrested for drug dealing take a plea bargain. DA’s offer them a lower charge in return for pleading guilty and a quick resolution. They just don’t have the time to take every drug dealer to court for a long drawn out trial. They similarly offer drug users a deal in exchange for a quick resolution. Most people arrested for simple drug possession get a simple fine. They don’t go to prison regardless of race.


  369. @Jimbo

    I second his post. It’s a pretty good description of how blacks look like to whites. This is all the stuff they want to deny, butjust keep on repeating the mantra that whites are “racist, racist, racist”.

    To you Abagondites….what would happen if you put all the whites in railroad cars and shipped us off to the Sonora desert for some ‘racism deprogramming’ by some old hippies and Black Panthers?

    We would come back ‘deprogrammed’, but blacks’ lives would continue as it is. I guess us whites would have been brainwashed just not to say anything.


  370. I think anyone who judges a person on the basis of race is lacking something in their own character. I think we need to stop dividing and separating ourselves and start thinking of ourselves as one species of infinite variation. I’m of
    Scottish/Irish decent, but I respect all people of integrity. That’s what it’s all about–what a person is on the inside. And we’re all basically the same–looking for love and safety. None of the white people I know hate blacks, because I don’t associate with bigots.


  371. I have no problem with black people as a race. I live in Augusta and go to a good highschool where it’s maybe 65% W, 30% B, and 5% other races. I usually get along with everyone and dated two black girls, but I always avoid people who are “sketchy” or “shady” regardless of color. I can admit that most of the time that it is black people, but it isn’t exclusive to them, not at all. I would be afraid to be approached by a tall, black kid at night and would be just as afraid to be approached by a big, white kid.


  372. on Sat 14 Apr 2012 at 22:01:14 grin and bear it

    And there is very little white gang activity.

    As is so evinced by the Russian, Italian, Irish, Jewish, Albanian, Greek, Polish, etc. mobs, the KKK, Aryan Nations, Hell’s Angels, Blood and Honor, various Christian Identity groups, etc. Not to mention HSBC, Enron, and various other white collar crime syndicates. Some might even include the CIA since they’re known for drug running, weapons dealing, assassinations, etc.


  373. “As is so evinced by blah, blah, blah.” All of those groups are in the PAST. Show me a white gang of today whose goal is to specifically target Blacks.

    How about trying it this way: “And there is very little BLACK gang activity”
    As is so evinced by the black flash mobs of the past summer, yelling “kill Whitey”, Blacks breaking into a water park to terrorize customers; shootings on the Coney Island Boardwalk, and Miami during Urban Weekend. I could go on and on and on. You need more?

    As for the CIA, look up Eric Holder’s Fast and Furious disaster. Mr. Holder was black the last time I checked.

    You are so tied to the past, you’re not paying attention to the present.


  374. on Sat 14 Apr 2012 at 23:28:14 grin and bear it

    Typical selective outrage when someone points out how not so perfect white people are. First off, Eric Holder is head of the DOJ, not the CIA, which is an independent agency of the federal government, and existed long before Holder got to Washington. “Past summer” is also in the “past,” last time I checked. Additionally, no one said anything about “killing whitey,” or a dearth of “black gang activity.”

    Upthread, destructure asserted that drug distribution was a purveyor of gang activity, then, incorrectly, noted that there were no white gangs. I merely pointed out the fallacy of his statement by citing some of the better known white gangs and criminal enterprises, most of which participate in/or have participated in the trafficking of drugs/illegal substances, and are current in their activities.


  375. on Sun 15 Apr 2012 at 00:23:50 grin and bear it

    And you are in such denial of the past, your vision of the present is warped and clouded. So much so, apparently, that it affects your reading comprehension. Where in my post did I say anything about white gangs targeting blacks? Yes, in fact, many of them do (and yes they do still exist, according to the FBI and the Southern Poverty Law Center), but that’s not what I said.

    Upthread, destructure asserted

    Gangs are a major indicator of drug distribution. That’s one of the main reasons gangs exist. And there is very little white gang activity.

    To which I pointed out the (CURRENT) existence of various “white” gangs, most of whom participate in unsavory activities, such as trafficking in illegal substances, to $upport their “organizations.”

    The operations of the CIA (and, to concede your point, the ATF, which falls under jurisdiction of the DOJ) pre-date Holder’s tenure as AG. Their “methods” have been known for several decades. Holder didn’t invent those tactics, nor will they cease once he leaves office. And, frankly, it’s something we should all be concerned with.

    It’s amazing how white racists are so quick to excuse and overlook the evils perpetrated by white people just so they can direct a magnifying glass over black behaviors, as if that’s going to somehow conceal the stench of their own sh!t.


  376. For years you’ve very cleverly thrown out, “You’re a racist,” and white people would bend over backwards to prove that they weren’t. You could call them practically anything, but don’t call them a racist. That was like the kiss of death to a white person, putting them down the walk of shame. But with the election of Mr. Obama, the white community breathed a big sigh of relief. They voted for him to prove to themselves that, “See, we’re really not racists.” It might seem simplistic, but after years of being called evil white racists, when we knew we weren’t, it was like a burden was lifted off of our shoulders. So you can call me a racist till the cows come home, but my fear of that word has been ameliorated. If you want to keep calling me that, knock yourself out. It’s almost a joke anymore.

    On the other hand, my fear of you is very real. It’s obvious that you’re filled with hate. So my original question still stands: Why do black people hate white people?

    You know, not everyone likes nor gets along with everyone. That’s a reality of life. Just look at family dynamics. We all have different personalities. I think you ought to take into consideration that when a white person doesn’t like you, it’s probably not because you’re black, but it’s because they just don’t like you. That does happen, you know. But if you believe that there’s a big white conspiracy to keep the black people down, you’ll never see anything beyond that.


  377. @Mary

    How about trying it this way: “And there is very little BLACK gang activity”
    As is so evinced by the black flash mobs of the past summer, yelling “kill Whitey”, Blacks breaking into a water park to terrorize customers; shootings on the Coney Island Boardwalk, and Miami during Urban Weekend. I could go on and on and on. You need more?

    If you rely on the news, then yes, it would appear that black people across the country are going out of control. However, the news, like the rest of the media doesn’t portray black people in a balanced, non-racially biased way. Those black people who did those crimes as you’ve noted are a minority. Most of us are not like that, or are you more willing to believe what the idiot box tells you as opposed to real black people?

    As for the CIA, look up Eric Holder’s Fast and Furious disaster. Mr. Holder was black the last time I checked.

    Oh. Case closed. He’s black and as such, he’s a screw-up, and the only screw-up. Don’t make me laugh.

    You are so tied to the past, you’re not paying attention to the present.

    And you are afraid of the past so much you can not possibility see how it connects to the present. That is common knowledge whether you like it or not.

    For years you’ve very cleverly thrown out, “You’re a racist,” and white people would bend over backwards to prove that they weren’t. You could call them practically anything, but don’t call them a racist. That was like the kiss of death to a white person, putting them down the walk of shame. But with the election of Mr. Obama, the white community breathed a big sigh of relief. They voted for him to prove to themselves that, “See, we’re really not racists.” It might seem simplistic, but after years of being called evil white racists, when we knew we weren’t, it was like a burden was lifted off of our shoulders. So you can call me a racist till the cows come home, but my fear of that word has been ameliorated. If you want to keep calling me that, knock yourself out. It’s almost a joke anymore.

    Many white people didn’t give a fuck to try and prove themselves to anyone, but many blacks have always, ALWAYS tried to prove that they are not a race of unintelligent lazy savages who rob people and rape women. Still, that didn’t matter to people like you because as long as there is just one black person fitting that stereotype, you white asses were happy as hell.

    Oh yeah. It was simple as voting a black man in office to prove you’re not racist. That’s the lamest excuse to date.

    Here’s the real deal, you, as an individual, has helped to prove that nothing’s changed. You try to argue that white’s aren’t racist, but yet, you show off your racist mindset. That is a contradictory statement in on itself.

    Many whites are still programmed with that racist mindset. They’re just too damn scared to admit it. They’re too frightened to look at themselves in the mirror and examine and correct their flaws which include bigotry and prejudice.

    So, what do they do instead? Project. Scapegoat. Make up lies. That is the meaning of mental and moral malfunctions.

    On the other hand, my fear of you is very real. It’s obvious that you’re filled with hate. So my original question still stands: Why do black people hate white people?

    You know, not everyone likes nor gets along with everyone. That’s a reality of life. Just look at family dynamics. We all have different personalities. I think you ought to take into consideration that when a white person doesn’t like you, it’s probably not because you’re black, but it’s because they just don’t like you. That does happen, you know. But if you believe that there’s a big white conspiracy to keep the black people down, you’ll never see anything beyond that.

    We all are smart enough that everyone doesn’t get along with everyone, but some cases are unique if not totally stupid. Some people dislike others because of their skin color. That’s it. And it’s time you and other people understand that simple fact. And before you try to turn it around and make it a “black” problem, let me stop you right there. The problem is that many whites are too blind to see that they are the ones with problems, and you fit that bill, Mary.

    And if you continue to deny that it’s the system of white supremacy and racism that is keeping many blacks down, then you will never learn a damn thing. It is the truth. Just because you disagree, can not, or will not see it doesn’t make it any less true, just like rich black folks do not cancel out the rule.

    In the end why not examine your own problems before you tell us about ours as if you know better. You certainly do not know better unless you shut up and listen and not judge. That is the only way your mind will evolve if you let it. But something tells me that you won’t being knowledgeable about black people using the news as reliable sources and all.

    *thinks to himself* There must be a factory somewhere cranking these people out.


  378. First of all my name is Horrez White and i would like to say hi to everyone before i go any further and also i would like to say that what i am about to say is my opinion and how i feel so please do not get offended. My belief as to why i think some white people demonize,hate and fear people of color is because of guilt,jealousy and self hate. Why i say this is because to hate a race of people that has done nothing to them clearly shows me a great deal of self hatred because how you view others reflects on how you view yourself. Another thing a constant reminder to say the n word,paint an unfair picture of people of color and to constantly try to dehumanize people of color clearly shows me a great deal of jealousy.Its almost like when a friend or coworker talks badly about another coworker every time she see’s the coworker and for no reason at all but out of her own personal reasons which is a sign of jealousy.I think fear that white people have for people of color goes back to what i said guilt”..Nothing but fear of the unknown for what was done in the past and how it was done, yet looking at black men and how strong they are, and at how much strength they have some white people get and really feel intimidated by this.I believe these type of white people just hate themselves ,are selfish and full of self hatred.I believe that there are a lot of white people that wish they were black and the white women just love black men.I see it every day.


  379. “*thinks to himself* There must be a factory somewhere cranking these people out.”

    *************

    There is BrothaWolf.
    The factory is known as the United States of America.
    Its largest product/export are millions of deluded/clueless racists suffering from the insanity of the WRF (white racial frame). For those unfamiliar with the term there’s wiki …


  380. co sign Brothawolf , Grin and bear it, Tawana

    “I would be afraid to be approached by a tall, black kid at night and would be just as afraid to be approached by a big, white kid.”

    Grayson, that is kind of the right idea


  381. Matari, your post came in while Im writing, co sign with you too


  382. Help me not be racist. Here is why I think I am.
    Three people in my life have been murdered, all by blacks.
    My house has been broken into twice, once by blacks-confirmed, the other time, blacks were convicted for breaking into houses in my neighborhood, so I think it is safe to assume they broke into mine too.
    I have been mugged once, by a black.
    My car has been broken into maybe 8 times in my life, no I don’t know who did it, but the more blacks moved into the neighborhood, the more frequent it became until I moved.
    From my business—– probably 75% of customer theft is by blacks, and
    about 90% of employee theft is by blacks.
    After 40+ years on this planet, no whites have murdered anyone I know, no whites have broken into my house (pretty damn sure) never been mugged by a white, etc.
    What do I do?
    I do not discriminate, but I do think I am racist. I think the black race commits more crime than any other. I do not like that. I have mostly black friends ( I know its a cliche to say that) but I do distance myself from getting to close to them. I get invited to parties or church, but I will not go with them. Mostly because I don’t want to be a part of that culture.
    Don’t hate me.


  383. @ Nick T,

    Then remember that whites commit more crime than any other group due to sheer numbers, whites commit more serial numbers, rapes, and drug offenses due to sheer numbers, and remember that none of this means a thing about the race of the person.

    remember that the actions of a person are what they should be held accountable for, not their skin color.

    If you know nothing of the culture, don’t be so quick to equate it to violence because of what you claim happened to you in your life. Because remember that black people have had just as many terrible things done to them by white people. And yet they think your worth reaching out to, despite your obvious racist attitudes. If they can do that for you, then you should at least be able to do that for them and be honest with them.

    They aren’t your “black friends” if you are going to hold them responsible for the actions of some alleged black people. Especially when they likely have a lifetime of reasons to not reach out to white people and yet are willing to invite you into their circle.


  384. @Ace

    This is assuming that all those things really happened to NickT.


  385. @ Brothawolf,

    Good catch there.

    They do seem a bit exaggerated.


  386. I am wondering what kind of neighborhood he lived in to have come in contact with so many black criminals. I grew up in an area with 86% black people and never had all of that happen to me. Amazing! Could it perhaps have been the same person targeting him? How are you going to say you have “black friends” and you are not close to them. They are just people you know who happen to be black. Just wow.

    Also, were any of these people caught? You said you knew they were black, so there were witnesses to the crime? What happened? When were you mugged? I didn’t even know people still mugged people. I thought that was just something that happened on TV and in parks, at midnight, in the city.

    At least you admit that you are racist. Only a racist would conclude that skin color is a indication of criminality/violence.


  387. on Sat 12 May 2012 at 01:21:35 Judgementalist

    I bet I can find a blog about how blacks are racist towards whites. It turns my stomach to use such broad terms, because identifying people based on groups is a sick, vicious cycle that encourages delusion and posturing, and attacks logic.


  388. “I bet I can find a blog about how blacks are racist towards whites. It turns my stomach to use such broad terms, because identifying people based on groups is a sick, vicious cycle that encourages delusion and posturing, and attacks logic.”

    ******

    — Judge

    Ever heard of this old Internet cliche?

    “Never underestimate the POWER of stupid people in large groups!”
    Especially when that GROUP has been in POWER for hundreds of years.

    And yes, you’re right about delusions (of grandeur). The largest group in America seems to be more given over to viciousness and posturing than any other group in the world, and they use “logic” to justify that.

    Isnit sad??


  389. cleonette,

    That’s why I suspect NickT’s comment. It seems highly exaggerated that he came across so many black criminals in his lifetime.

    It’s ridiculous to think that criminality is synonymous with black culture as Nick pointed out in his comment. Even though he admitted he is a racist, it’s still preposterous to equate blackness with criminality. Then again, in this nation it’s as American as apple pie. The most disadvantaged and marginalized groups are often the ones most likely to be criminalized. Blacks in America have always been the scapegoat of so many problems in this society. However, rich whites are more likely to be seen as true examples of the American Dream who deserve protection and unrelenting respect.

    I also want to suspect that Nick may have made this up, the Phantom Black Man/Woman Syndrome. He may have made up those incidents to try to validate his hatred towards an entire group of people and gain some sympathy. Something seriously tells me that no white person on Earth has had that much bad luck from blacks. But what’s really telling is this:

    “After 40+ years on this planet, no whites have murdered anyone I know, no whites have broken into my house (pretty damn sure) never been mugged by a white, etc.”

    Here, we see white people as incapable of being as criminal minded or violent compared to blacks. The thing is, even if this sentence is true, there are countless other whites who have been murdered, robbed, and mugged by other whites. Just because his family hasn’t been victimized by other whites, doesn’t mean that whites as a whole don’t harm each other.

    For example, I knew a white woman who told me that she was gang raped by a group of white men. (Amazingly, this never made the news.) So, she definitely has been a victim of white-on-white violence.

    Also, a couple of weekends ago, two white men committed an armed robbery at a local store.

    Still, those two examples are nothing compared to the worst atrocities caused by white men.


  390. Judge,

    I already have three blogs in mind: Unamused, GLPiggy, and D-Structure.


  391. As I was sitting here reading this post the first thing that came to mind is bullies. In most situations bullying is the result of a narcissistic person with many insecurities that find some sick pleasure in making someone else life feel like crap in order to make themselves feel better. They hold on to lies and many facades for comfort.

    I thought about this in this manner a while back when I was wondering why racist whites hate black. After reading a lot of these comments it is sad that it is not obvious to them. If what was said was not true why get upset, there would be no point in it if it does not apply to you.


  392. @ Mary

    “Why do black people hate white people? “—To answer your question I don’t hate whites. These post have been about white racists and believe me dear there is a difference. The problem is that many whites that come to these boards to protest don’t even realize there is a difference.

    “I think you ought to take into consideration that when a white person doesn’t like you, it’s probably not because you’re black, but it’s because they just don’t like you.”—That does happen but everytime that happens (taking skin color out of the equation) it is usually the result of jealousy. I have been there before myself. I was jealous of this other black girl mainly because she had everything I thought I wanted. Little did I know she was jealous of me because she thought I had everything she wanted. We talked about each other and did not like each other. I had to do some soul searching. In most cases people don’t really know what they are jealous about because they do convince themselves they have nothing to be jealous of. Rule of thumb usually is if you like someone for no reason at all. You have not one reason, then it is usually some type of jealousy


  393. “That’s why I suspect NickT’s comment. It seems highly exaggerated that he came across so many black criminals in his lifetime.”

    And if he were black writing stereotyped stuff about whites (or asians for that matter, or jews, gays, etc) it would be okay right? How about the rights so many in the black community want to deny to gay people (including gay people of color?)

    “At least you admit that you are racist. Only a racist would conclude that skin color is a indication of criminality/violence.”

    followed by:

    “Also, a couple of weekends ago, two white men committed an armed robbery at a local store.

    Still, those two examples are nothing compared to the worst atrocities caused by white men.”

    Hypocrisy.

    Of there is white on white crime. So, where is the blog about black on black crime? Oh, write, it doesn’t happen I guess.

    “I didn’t even know people still mugged people. I thought that was just something that happened on TV and in parks, at midnight, in the city.”

    Seriously? Where do you live, under a rock?


  394. “we know that white people usually do not view people of color as fully human” and you wonder why people think you’re generalizing and saying “all”? Being biracial and gay, I have my own beef with this blog and the black community in general. How about you talk about the rampant homophobia and sexism in parts of the black community (the high black vote in CA that caused prop 8 to pass being an example)? Or how black churches (ironically using the white’s religion) speak out about and vote in blocs against GLBT people? Or the disproportionate number of GLBT people, white or black, and especially transgender, that are killed by black heterosupremacists? Why black gay/bi men have to be on the “down low” because they are so afraid of the reaction from their communities, of being told they’re “no longer black” , as happened to me and so many others? Unfortunately it seems being an oppressed group makes you more likely to oppress others when you have an advantage, not less, and as poc we need to admit that we are just as prone to that as the rest of humanity. White people got lucky with guns, germs, and steel and western europe grabbed the advantage. Would we have been any better in their shoes? Judging by how some of us treat women and gays, probably not. That is not to say that there isn’t plenty of homophobia and sexism in the white community. But at least it is talked about. Too often if any of us, white or black, mention anything about homophobia in communities of color, we’re told we’re racist and to shut up. Tracy Morgan and Roland Martin being good examples-there were a lot of excuses for their behavior and even accusations of racism (apparently not thinking GLBT folks are human is okay) There is such a thing as straight privilege and male privilege, and too often just like you feel that white people play down white privilege, I feel that some (notice, I won’t say all) POC who are straight and/or male pretend that neither of those give them any advantages. And they do, at least in certain circumstances. Even the worst white supremacist prefers a black hetero couple to a white gay one. Honestly I’ve been overall treated better by white liberals and white (and black) glbt people then by supposed “black liberals”. I’ve experienced a lot more homophobia in the black community than racism outside of it. People can be oppressed in some areas and have privilege in others. Being a member of a group privileged in one way doesn’t automatically equal privilege in everything, and it’s not fair to target innocent white GLBT people as some kind of “revenge” (I’ve seen it done). Bring up the word “gay” to some of the most “liberal” “godfearing” anti racists, both white and black, and watch the homophobia come out. It will be interesting to see how quickly the anti gay remarks spring up on this blog. Besides sexuality and gender, there are also things like disability, class, etc (I agree with that you said about voting against their own class as far as white people go). As a gay person who’s been harassed by angry poc coming out of a lesbian club late at night (it’s in a neightborhood where it’s not wanted, but it has a right to be there), I can tell you, the knife can cut both ways. When I, being biracial, responded with “as a person of color I would think you would know better than to treat others that way” I got accused of being racist! Being a poc does not give you the right to oppress others with any privildge you do hold (ex, heterosexuality). It would be nice if other kind of oppression were addressed more (across all races, heterosuprmecay and gender affects poc too, they are often treated horribly by their own communities). That’s why I no longer hang out in black religious communities and most black communities I do hang out are for GLBT people. I’ve also been overall well accepted into the lesbian community by people of all colors. I’m barely accepted otherwise. Acting like the oppressor doesn’t make you free. It only makes you another oppressor.


  395. @ Michelle

    Can’t say I agree with you in that regard. I live in an agree where gay men and women are openly accepted. I have always welcomed GLBT in my life. Not only because of gay male relatives, but because of the massive injustice they receive. I did a speech in regards to GLBT mistreatment in my college speech class and you would not believe the remarks I received from the white students. They automatically rated my speech as bad. The other black students like my speech and accepted it for what it is work.

    My experience is different from yours based on area, but for many people in this room it does not matter what area they are in it is a 9 times out of 10 that they will be treated badly by whites no matter if they are heterosexual or not. They have are black.

    Also they are referring to racist whites not all whites.


  396. @ Dana

    “And if he were black writing stereotyped stuff about whites (or asians for that matter, or jews, gays, etc) it would be okay right? How about the rights so many in the black community want to deny to gay people (including gay people of color?)”—Asians are included in people of color and guess what we are not referring to all whites in here (at least I am not). The blog is about racist whites for the most part. As for gays then who in here mentioned they did not like gays or lesbians. Did I miss something or are you on an off topic rant?

    “Seriously? Where do you live, under a rock?”—One thing you fail to realize is people live in different area. What you experience may not even happen where they live. I for one have not experienced a mugging. Never even seen one happen except on TV. I also have not seen mistreatment of gays, but a lot of people pretty welcoming to them (youth mainly). Mormons are the only ones I have had the pleasure of seeing openly accept gays (you know the people gays claimed boycott them so much). Those white baptist are the ones I see run for the hills when a gay comes by. I have seen gays in black churches; Participating in church.

    I could openly call you a liar on the spot, but what would be the point because I am mature enough to know different area different experiences.


  397. @ Dana

    If you have an issue with what brothawolf says address it with him. Stop coming in her acting like everyone in the room made that comment about whites. You seem to be looking for an axe to grind with black people.


  398. @
    “Or the disproportionate number of GLBT people, white or black, and especially transgender, that are killed by black heterosupremacists?”—-I beg to differ on this. Did you forget James Craig Anderson, Gwen Araujo, Mathew Shepard? All killed by whites. Maybe a few but I can pull up much more. There are bad in each bunch. Black and white.

    Oh here’s a link to the black community doing nothing. http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/lgbt/Paige-Clays-murder-spurs-forum-action/37626.html

    A lot more blacks are in support than you might think. I am sorry it is not in your area, but don’t convince yourself that your area represents others.


  399. Dana,

    “That’s why I suspect NickT’s comment. It seems highly exaggerated that he came across so many black criminals in his lifetime.”

    And if he were black writing stereotyped stuff about whites (or asians for that matter, or jews, gays, etc) it would be okay right? How about the rights so many in the black community want to deny to gay people (including gay people of color?)

    You see Dana, Blacks have always been disrespected, harmed and even killed by whites in history (Yes, I said history) and even today. In many cases what they’ve done against us was way more destructive on so many levels than what we’ve done to them as a collective.

    No one said that it would be okay if it was a black man making the same statements. However, I’ve read and heard testimonies from PoC who dealt with the ignorance white people shoved in their faces while hiding behind a phony smile.

    I have heard of high-profiled moments where white people invent – that’s right – invent phantom black people to cover up their crimes against other whites. Who’s to say that NickT’s comment isn’t synonymous with the old ploy to make themselves out to be more worthy of being considered ‘victims’ only when black people express their pain and frustrations dealing with racism?

    Finally, I would like to know where you got that idea that the black community is trying to deny rights to gays. From the way you put it, you seem to want to employ that only the black community’s guilty of this, assuming that’s true.

    “At least you admit that you are racist. Only a racist would conclude that skin color is a indication of criminality/violence.”

    followed by:

    “Also, a couple of weekends ago, two white men committed an armed robbery at a local store.

    Still, those two examples are nothing compared to the worst atrocities caused by white men.”

    Hypocrisy.

    Of there is white on white crime. So, where is the blog about black on black crime? Oh, write, it doesn’t happen I guess.

    “I didn’t even know people still mugged people. I thought that was just something that happened on TV and in parks, at midnight, in the city.”

    Seriously? Where do you live, under a rock?

    What do you mean hypocrisy?

    Well, by that logic, where are blogs about white on white crime?

    Dana, there are blogs and articles all over the internet alone that discussed black-on-black crime. They are everywhere. It is discussed online, and is being confronted offline. There are certain members within poor, crime-ridden black communities who are actually doing all that they can to stop the violence.

    Now, who’s living under a rock?


  400. @ Herneith

    LOL. You said a mouht full. I figured it would not be too long.


  401. @ Dana

    “Seriously? Where do you live, under a rock?”

    No. I live in a majority black area that has never, had a single mugging occur. The town I live in is super small and everybody knows everybody. Or maybe its just had for you to believe there are place that exist that have muggings on a daily basis.


  402. * Or maybe it’s just hard for you to believe there are places that exit that have had no muggings on a regular or daily basis.

    Also, many of us have GLBT’s in our families so idk what you are talking about. Yes there are Christians who believe it is a sin, me being one of them. However, I don’t hate the sinner, I hate the sin, including my own. I am far from perfect. I do not believe in violence against anyone. Also, I don’t mind any laws that are made in favor of all that the GLBT community is in favor for. I respect your views, so please in turn respect mine. Christian doesn’t equal hate gay people and for you to say that is just as bad as what you claim people do to you.

    I am going to say this one thing and you can take it however you like. People have a choice in the way they want to live their life. I chose to be a Christian and Christianity teaches that it is a sin. I have the right to that belief. I will believe that until I die. Does that mean I wish bad on people who are gay? No I do not. Am I violent against them? No. Christianity does not teach prosecution or violence. It says judge not least yea be judged. That means that Christians are not to treat anyone bad. That is not Christian behavior. Also, Christian does not equal perfect and heterosexual. We are at church because we are imperfect, not because we perfect. Think of church as a hospital for the soul. I am sorry if you have been subjected to any type of violence or condemnation, but I will not change my beliefs. I will treat someone homosexual no different than I treat anyone else. Believe me, people who call themselves Christian and do the things you are talking about are not just treating homosexuals like that. They probably treat everyone who do not share their beliefs bad, probably people that attend service with them too.

    I can’t for the life of me figure out why people come to this blog and try to turn it into what they want to read. GO TO ANOTHER FREAKIN” BLOG ON THE TOPIC YOU WANT TO READ!!!!!!!


  403. @ cleonette

    I agree with your post and it really sums it up perfectly. I have family that sees being gay as a sin, but are in no way homophobic. They still treat them the same.

    @ Dana and Michelle if you want to discuss this issue further I would be happy to on open thread.

    @ Michelle I am curious on how you get the claim of an abundance of the black community voted for prop 8 and neglect the fact that an abundance of the white community did as well. Even though you are trying to say black and white in your post to appear neutral I heavily noticed the need to push a large sum of blame on the black community. Why? You mention blacks beat and kill GLBT, but I am curious of any stories or example of this in news reports if you do not mind sharing. A personal story works for me as well.


  404. @cleonette

    Would you vote against the right for Gay people to marry?


  405. @Sharina

    Do they look at wearing clothes made from more than one fabric as a sin or eating seafood as a sin?


  406. Gay marriage, etc is off topic here. Please continue on the Open Thread.


  407. @ V-4

    Who my family? No they do not, but my uncle does see eating seafood as a sin.


  408. @ v-4

    will elaborate on open thread


  409. In my humble and for what it is worth opinion I think white people and black people have both been carrying the scars and hatred of the ancestors that came before them. This has kept them apart..If you have a white friend, or if your white and have a black friend, are they not friends? Take everybody you meet on a person to person basis. Lumping everybody into this group or that group is not going to get anybody anywhere…Unite all people living in this country, we are one country and we have bigger problems happening to all of us. Your good, I’m good we are all good….let’s all be great together!
    By the way , I am your typical Italian American guy from the Boston area…raised around hatred and misunderstanding about everything and everyone during the ugly 70’s and 80’s.
    What do I hate? It is not the color of a persons skin, not the bloodline they come from, not the country that there ancestors came from… what I hate is bad food, bad music, greedy corporations, crooked politicians, criminals, the media, the Kardashians!! and people who are so stupid that they hate people for no reason other then they are just so dumb they can’t think for themselves..Expand your circle of friends …love a white guy!


  410. @ Joey Vellucci

    I agreed with you all the way up to the Kardashians. At that point your own ignorance started to appear.

    I don’t hate whites or any other race for that matter. I personally have friends from all backgrounds. Many in the room do. The thing you don’t get is regardless of who you agree or disagree with this country has some major issue in the department of inequity.

    There are white people out there that believe we blacks want money, to be treated superior, etc. We do not want that. Money does not satisfy people; look at the Kardashians. What we want is respect. We want to be respected and treated equally.

    If a child is in school and they achieve high honors and they are black then give that child the credit they deserve. My best friend is school was valedictorian (black female). It is tradition that the stage is set for her alone. The salutatorian was the sit with the class. That year they made her share the stage with the salutatorian (white female). She was very angry but never showed it.

    I also have an issue with how living in America (suppose to be the melting pot) and you have to give up traditions of your country, language of your country, just to fit into the American stereotype. That urks me to no end because I feel like people should be able to freely carry out there traditions with out being told to speak English or act American.


  411. Hi Sharina,
    Sorry about the Kardashian snipe.. It was just an attempt at humor to lighten up the post.
    I agree with you on most of your post. As far as giving up your traditions, that is something that is happening to all people regardless of race. Traditions our parents did, change with every generation, every generation finds traditions of there own and little by little the old traditions are gone and something else becomes a tradition. I grew up with big Sunday dinners with the whole family. For many years we did not do that for some reason everybody got busy, we are now doing it again as much as possible and showing our kids what it is all about. Hopefully they will carry that on. Growing up we were a typical big huge white Italian family…we are now a multi cultural, multi race, multi- language, mixed race, crazy beautiful family and it all works just fine..everybody is happy and we enjoy our differences..
    We can complain about how the country is this and this race is that and people from Europe or from wherever did this and that but when it all comes down to it, what are we going to do about it today? What are we going to do this very minute? I can’t change what others do or what people did years ago but what I can change and what you can change is what is inside our hearts and minds right now. If you want to preserve a tradition, language or anything special about who you are and where you came from, you do it and you do it happily and without worry what anybody thinks about it. Unfortunately if you can’t communicate with the majority of the population, it cuts down on your fun factor as a citizen in this country…What difference does a language make ? It is just a tool to communicate with each other..personally I like to pick up bits and pieces of different languages as it is something interesting and fun to be able to communicate a different way. If I moved to say France and wanted to be a citizen, I would learn French so I could communicate freely and not be scratching my head not knowing what people were saying to me..
    I don’t know all the answers but I do know what I think and I think that people are good and bad in every color…just as they are great in every color…
    I am sure there are many other people who feel the same way,
    Thanks,
    Joey


  412. @ Joey Vellucci

    Now that you netter explained I understand a bit more where you are comming form. FYI I am not a big fan of the Kardashians or Jersey Shore for that matter.

    I know every race gives up traditions and that is what I am referring to. I did not mean blacks per say but everyone. This is one thing I love is meeting people with different traditions and seeing them freely express it. It is like a breath of fresh air to me.

    I agree with you when you ask the question what to do about it. We have big Sunday dinners at my grandmothers. It took the death of my grandfather for us to really get started on doing it and making it stick. I prey that every single tradition, every single ounce of love I show for other races regardless of skin color, etc. passes on to my daughter. I have notice that it slowly does with my daughter. I personally am a big fan of education and I try my best to introduce my daughter to different cultures so she has respect for them and their beliefs.

    I agree that no one has all the answers and there are good and bad in every color, but what I fear more than anything is the good will get caught in the cross hairs of the bad. I worry abut that day in and day out. Believe it or not Joey….There are few that think the way you and I do. Even I was surprised at the few that do. I was blessed to be born in an area where although racial hatred is an issue, it has greatly decrease and we all get along fine here. To say a town like this is in the south is a weird phenomenon.

    I saw a black man and a white man greet each other with hugs and walk in the store together one day, so I know it is not all bad. I do know and realize for the racist out their they do it out of hate and jealousy and I don’t think they even realize they have this issue. They show the same signs that bullies show when they choose a victim and this is regardless of race as well.


  413. Sharina,,,your a good women and from your comments can tell a great mom as well!


  414. @ Joey Vellucci

    Thank you.


  415. do you blacks just come on here and bash whites with no evidence whatsover in todays problems? you just say things happen today but cant show it. pathetic, im sure in real life you talk to whites like this, not a chance because youd loose your benefit of whites watching what they say around you. Your an inferior race keeping racism going on the internet. EVEN if you hate whites your no better than them complaining like children everyday on the internet. for a race that think they are superior you sure do act exactly like the people you claim to hate!

    no im not white either


  416. @CIN

    Try reading why abagond writes this blog and what he means when he refers to “whites”. I am white and I love this blog because it helps me to learn and understand their experiences and feelings. I do not take this as a racist blog…I take it as the truth from their experiences in their life. I feel these blogs are great at addressing issues. I have seen white people come on here and ask questions and make statements in a respectful way and the the replies are respectful as well. But if you come on here angry and disrespectful…be sure that is what you will get in return. This is a great learning experience for me and has really taught me a great amount. It addresses many problems of today that people…white and black…turn their heads to if it does not affect them directly. And in my opinion it is only enabling racism and oppression to exist.


  417. I love this blog…I personally, I will tell you from my experience, as a white woman, my opinions of this subject….Personally I feel it comes from fear of an uprising among the black population. For so many years white men and women owned slaves and once those slaves were free…they saw how capable they were and that they actually had their own minds and free will. Well, in my opinion, it terrified them that they would become the slaves and have done to them what they had done to the black population..(please…if I say anything that is offensive let me know…I am still learning what terms and phrases are considered offensive and racist.)…so in turn for years and generations it is taught to their children to stay away from them and they are brainwashed to think that they are better, smarter, have better family values. I grew up in a small all white town from the north that hid racism very well. My parents moved there because they did not want to subject us to the race riots that she went through as a teenager. I remember the first time I ever met a black family…I was 6 yrs old and my parents saw them broken down on the I69 and they did not want to leave them there because no one was stopping to help. My parents brought them back to our house and I sat there watching and could not understand why everyone was so scared. The husband and wife were clutching each other tightly together along with their little girl. My parents were frantically trying to round up my dad’s tools so he could go fix the car. I could feel the tension and see how scared everyone was…but I did not understand. Then after everything was fixed and my parents dropped them off and followed them home to make sure it did not break down again. I kept asking why everyone was so scared and why their skin was brown. I didn’t understand because at the age of six no one had ever mentioned to me that there were people that were brown or what racism was. They finally told me what people in the town thought and how they feared for our and their safety. I have many memories of white racism and I will share them if anyone is interested. But since I have a tendency to type long posts (sorry) I am going to end this one here. :)


  418. @ Cin

    Although you may actually run away at this point, you need to actually realize that people on this blog are typing based on their experiences with whites. This does not refer to all whites and if you actually read anything you will understand that. The color of your skin does not matter if you can not gather a basic understanding of what the people in this room are actually talking about.

    “for a race that think they are superior you sure do act exactly like the people you claim to hate!”—-Not on person in the room acts or has claimed superiority over any race of people. For you to say such a statement means you yourself must believe blacks are superior.

    “Your an inferior race keeping racism going on the internet.”—This statement shows your stupidity. Blacks can not be inferior and superior. Pick one. Secondly you must not get around to blogs much. I have been to white blogs that say way more nasty things about blacks and people of color in general. This actually is much more civil but I can happily point you to a white blog to so you can see how civil racist and racism actually is.

    Lastly, I don’t hate whites. My daughters best friend is white. My neighbors are white. I have no reason to hate them. I am happy with myself so I actually see no real reason to put down another race. The whites I personally know feel the same. The way I see it if you are comfortable with yourself then you have no need to hate or put down another race. There are whites that do this on a regular basis and there are blacks that do this as well. This particular blog is referring to the whites that do it.

    I can see based on your post you have some insecurities that you need to work on.


  419. @ cin

    In case you did not notice. There a white posters here as well.


  420. @ Michelle

    Don’t apologize for writing a long post. Sometimes you have to say a lot to get people to understand. Make it as long as you need to. :)


  421. Co sign with Sharina and Michelle


  422. @ Michelle:

    Thank you for your posts on here. I always enjoy reading them and I value your input. As Sharina mentioned, there’s no need to apologize. People always learn something (not counting the hardheaded racists) when coming on Abagond’s blog. I know I benefit whenever I come here.


  423. @ Abagond – Michelle

    “…They finally told me what people in the town thought and how they feared for our and their safety. I have many memories of white racism and I will share them if anyone is interested. But since I have a tendency to type long posts (sorry) I am going to end this one here. :)

    *******

    Perhaps Abagond might create another thread – this time for white people ONLY – describing their first experience (or whatever) with white racism/supremacy and how it impacted them regarding their feelings/thoughts on race as it relates to blacks and other non-whites.

    In other words, it would be the racial inverse of the recent non-white only thread describing where posters described their early experiences of racism.


  424. oops ….

    “In other words, it would be the racial inverse of the recent non-white only thread describing where posters described their early experiences of racism.”

    Should read :
    In other words, it would be the racial inverse of the recent non-white only thread where posters described their early experiences of racism.


  425. Interesting point , Matari

    Growing up white , thank god my parents iived in an integrated neighborhood and they tried to instill being not racist in me and my brothers. I made great freinds in grade school and when I started to butt my head up against racist white society , I smelled it and wanted no part of it. I started to see the hypocracy , discrimination and unfariness in racist white society towards black Americans at every turn


  426. B.R.

    Your parents were certainly not the norm – LOL – which made them uniquely *good/wise/insightful* parents. Unfortunately Amerikkka still has an extreme shortage of the type of parents that you were blessed with!


  427. @ B. R.:

    Interesting point , Matari

    Growing up white , thank god my parents iived in an integrated neighborhood and they tried to instill being not racist in me and my brothers. I made great freinds in grade school and when I started to butt my head up against racist white society , I smelled it and wanted no part of it. I started to see the hypocracy , discrimination and unfariness in racist white society towards black Americans at every turn

    My deepest apologies for interjecting myself into your conversation, guys, but I can relate to a certain extent, B.R. I went to schools with hardly any POC because there weren’t many in the first place. However, my parents particularly my mom made it a point for me to befriend other POC when they first arrived in school and to bring them over to my house. My parents always told me to treat others the way I would want to be treated. Also, I witnessed/experienced a lot of racist incidences that left me shaking my head at how unjust/absolutely wrong racism can be.


  428. Of course it is up to others their choice of words or phrases, but I personally prefer ‘slaveholder’ to ‘slaveowner’ and ‘held slaves’ as opposed to ‘owned slaves’, as it is my own belief that people can only hold others in bondage or as slaves, and that they do not & cannot ever own other human beings.


  429. THIS IS THE DEAL THIS WHAT I AM HEAERING WHITE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF BLACKS AS THE OLD SAYING GOES. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND WHAT ABOUT WHEN THE KKK WAS RUNNING AROUND SLAYING& LYNCH BLACK NOW WHOS TALKING ABOUT THAT WHITE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME POINTING THE FINGER BUT THE TRUTH BE TOLD WHITE. PEOPLE HAVE MISS TREATED. EVERY RACE UNDER THE SUN THEY HAVE A REASON TO FEAR ALL OF MAN KIND


  430. Leigh, absolutly ( sorry i missed your post, it passed throught the comments section without me realising it).

    I think we are lucky people to have had parents that tried to pass on a way to see things in this world and how to deal with people

    I also think a person can have parents that are racist and that person can see through it and look inside themselves for the truth and the right way to look at this world and the people in it


  431. on Fri 15 Jun 2012 at 19:36:11 leon carter jr.

    Fear Fear fearrrrr:……………………..


  432. @ tyrone

    I agree with you on this 100%. I really think it is a large fear that if any other race gets power that it will be turned around and whites will be treated how they treated every other race.


  433. I am mixed and think that you are a bunch of idiots judging whites being racist, isn´t that racist if anything! And the only racism I´ve observed throughout my life is from black people, but somehow black racism is justified because they portray themselves as victims. Are you stupid, more white people voted for Obama than black people. And the only reason black people vote for Obama was due to racial reasons not because of his politics. I think you should grow the fuck up and give white people a chance, or at least, mixed people. Im tired of black racist people living under these assumptions!


  434. @ Dani

    I am tired of idiots like you making an assumption. Here is a clue…Ask people what whites they are talking about then get back to us.

    FYI not everyone in this room is black.


  435. @ Dani

    Try B.R. Michelle, maybe even Jt and maybe they will decide as white patrons to educate you on what this blog is about.


  436. I love it when idiots open their mouth and prove just that.


  437. on Wed 20 Jun 2012 at 02:59:24 liftingingoshen

    And blacks aren’t racist right? Here’s the deal whites don’t fear or look down on the Japanese and they bombed our country, at some point you have to at least entertain the idea that the behavior of your community as a whole contributes to the way white people view black people.


  438. @ liftingingoshen

    You also have to wake up and realize that not all blacks are like that. Did you know a large number of blacks don’t live in Ghettos, or have never been in jail? I am guessing not. Just like you have no idea what this particular post is really about.

    Here’s an idea ask next time and avoid walking into a room and proving the point that many blacks in here have already pointed out or rather many whites in here have pointed out as well.


  439. When in doubt make a stupid comment. Seems to work for some people these days I guess.


  440. on Wed 20 Jun 2012 at 03:14:03 liftingingoshen

    @Tyrone – the world was a brutal place 1000 years ago, 500 years ago etc… every race killed, raped, and stole land during war. Every race enslaved other people. Do you really think only white people stole land during war? Look at the state of Africa, they’ve had how many genocides in the past 30 years? And it’s all black on black.

    Like I said at some point blacks have to stop looking to punish whites for the past, it’s an absurd notion I must atone for the sins of my fathers. I’m an individual and owe you nothing and I have nothing to apologize to you for.


  441. on Wed 20 Jun 2012 at 03:17:47 liftingingoshen

    Sharina, the overwhelming amount of violent crime perpetuated by the black community is a fact. We don’t have to get into the reasoning as to why that is, there basic fact is black men commit a grossly disproportionate amount of violent crime.

    Like I said at some point you have to step back and take stock of your own community and stop blaming me, direct that energy into lowering crime rates in your communities, strengthen your families, basically just take some responsibility instead of looking to pass the buck and make excuses.


  442. @ liftingingoshen

    For one most if not all the individuals in here are not punishing whites for something that happened in slavery time. Get over it. For every black person that I have heard used that line there is a white person right behind them following it up with “stop complaining about slavery blah.” It has an impact but not the impact whites like you keep making it.

    Most of the individuals in here have actually experienced racism from racist whites today. That is right…in 2012 and that is what the blog is referring to.

    Have I meet white they are describing?…no because all of the whites I have meet are confident and strong etc. The racist whites usually show these characteristics though. They usually have some type of envious chip on there shoulders about black people. I describe it as more of the bully complex.

    So if you are not a racist white what is your issue? As the saying goes “A hit dog will holler.”


  443. @ liftingingoshen

    Ok so you say it is a fact, but what does it have to do with black people who do not commit crimes?

    Basically what you are saying is lets pass another persons crime on to another black person. Oh and by the way I don’t blame white people for anything and never have. We have white individuals who blog on this board and I am not constantly blaming them for a darn things, so you might want to try and readdress the way you speak to me about blame.


  444. on Wed 20 Jun 2012 at 03:30:51 liftingingoshen

    @sharina – if you can concede that the black community commits a disproportionate amount of violent crime, then perhaps you can also understand that maybe just maybe, the reason why white people view the black community negatively is because of the high crime rates and ignorance we see from the black community? Maybe that is really all it is, no conspiracy, no other reason, simple life experience and being intelligent to realize when one group of commits an enormous amount of violent crime you watch your six around that group.

    My wife was mugged last week by a black man, I wasn’t surprised at all, I grew up in bed-stuy before gentrification, I don’t need an education on this stuff I lived it and have more reasons than I can count to be wary of blacks. it has nothing to do with me thinking I’m better than blacks or them being inferior or whatever, it really is just common sense. If one group of people routinely perpetuated violence against you, you take stock of that and assess your life accordingly. Simple as that really.


  445. @ liftingingoshen

    Just to break it down a little further for you. Blacks have and constantly continue to be looked down upon by racist whites simply because someone in the black community decides to commit a crimes. That black could live in nice neighborhood living the American dream and you will always have someone like you say “fix the black crime issue.” Most of the time I hear that I think “I got to raise my own darn kids first.” I can only be an example, but how can I be an example to kids in neighborhoods that are 5 states away, hundreds or thousands of miles away. I can’t tell them a darn thing. Most of the blacks I know are just like me. Treated equal in our town and when they leave it they are in the company of ignorant whites trying to tell them to fix the black crime issue and they have never seen it other than on the news.


  446. @ liftingingoshen

    In what part of my post did I say blacks did not commit crime? What I said was I don’t see it because I don’t live in that type of area.

    “the reason why white people view the black community negatively is because of the high crime rates and ignorance we see from the black community?”—Again what the heck does that have to do with me as an individual. I have no control over what other people do and again the whites I know don’t think that way. They actually see me as an individual so lets not try to speak for the whole white race in regards to what they think.

    “it has nothing to do with me thinking I’m better than blacks or them being inferior or whatever, it really is just common sense. If one group of people routinely perpetuated violence against you, you take stock of that and assess your life accordingly. Simple as that really.”—Are you racist? You do realize that there are racist whites and normal wholesome whites? (I always ask this so don’t be offended…you will be surprised at how many people can’t tell the difference).

    There is a major difference between taking caution and even more of a difference in blacks depending on your area. Again I live in an area where blacks nor whites act into all the craziness. There are those in each party that commit crimes. White mean in my stated commit a large rate of sexual assault crimes usually against minors. Do I fear all white men? No. I see black gangs on the news. Do I fear going to the hood or in the Ghetto? No. Do I blame the white race for those sexual deviants? No. Do I blame blacks for those gang violent deviants? No.

    It is one thing to be cautious but down right ignorant to blame a whole race for something. Same thing you are in here chastising blacks for doing…You are in here doing. No need to be on a high horse.


  447. correction men*


  448. If one group of people routinely perpetuated violence against you, you take stock of that and assess your life accordingly. Simple as that really.

    And now you know why blogs like this exist. See, if you simply took time to look at the situation from the other end, you would have no need to waste your time here.


  449. The white mindset is in full effect, folks. I might make a response to this…I might.


  450. @ Someguy and Brothawolf

    Why waste your energy?


  451. on Wed 20 Jun 2012 at 13:09:20 liftingingoshen

    @ Sharina – I’m no more racist than you, the original poster who wrote this ridiculous article, or the 99% of the black contributors including yourself who rant out insanely racist judgments against whites. I stand by what I wrote, you have your world view I have mine. The original writer of these absurd racist essays is just provoking people I know that (as race discussions typically do), you have some white people trying to get the nod of approval from the blacks in here even as they trash their entire race (which is pathetic). Then you have me who has never cared about political correctness. You want to know why whites “fear” and “hate” blacks (using the OPs words)???? Simple – you haven’t shown that you are able to behave like civilized people as a whole within a society. You make up what 12% of the population and account for over half of all violent crimes. Really that is why, you are largely uneducated, and largely you are violent as a collective whole. Blacks can’t want this brotherhood and community then reject it when the negatives are shown. It has nothing to do with whites having no soul or no self worth like you claim. It seriously is the behavior of the black community in terms of education, and crime that makes white weary of blacks.

    Look at the Treyvon Martin case, national uproar among blacks which I can understand, but where is the outrage over the hundreds of Treyvons murdered in Chicago by blacks? Where is Jesse? Where is Obama? It shows the black communities inability to try and fix their own problems, much easier to blame everyone else.

    Look at Africa, you blame the white man, but how many mass rapes are committed there? How many genocides? Is there ONE country that has a functional government on the entire Continent? The only country that was decent was South Africa and that was when white people were running the place, now it’s a complete disaster.


  452. If I read Lifting correctly, then blacks need to go big. They need to advance from street crimes, which whites are afraid of, and do stuff like bomb cities, take land, make people slaves and wipe out millions of whites in genocides. Then blacks will fit right in – everyone does that stuff! – and whites will no longer fear them.


  453. @ Lifting

    At some point you have to at least entertain the idea that the behavior of your community as a whole contributes to the way black people view white people.


  454. on Wed 20 Jun 2012 at 14:00:35 liftingingoshen

    @ abagond – you aren’t reading me correctly at all, you are using the lowest common denominator to cause more controversy and looking for more traffic on your blog, which is fine, kudos to you.

    Blacks already do all of that and more, that’s my point. The slave trade in Africa still runs, genocide in Africa is rampant, cutting off limbs, mass rapes, endless war, bombing cities, wiping out millions of other blacks, it’s all there, and not done by white people.


  455. “liftingingoshen
    Look at the Treyvon Martin case, national uproar among blacks which I can understand, but where is the outrage over the hundreds of Treyvons murdered in Chicago by blacks? Where is Jesse? Where is Obama? It shows the black communities inability to try and fix their own problems, much easier to blame everyone else.”

    Linda says,

    Liftin, no sarcasm intended,

    but ‘why is it so difficult for white Americans to understand that the reason black Americans are upset with the Trayvon Martin case was for the simple fact that Zimmerman was not arrested initially?’

    The outcry from the black community was about Double-Standards. That their biggest complaint was over police conduct and what they viewed as police non-action. Why do whites like you keep missing that fact?

    With all the crime that is being done by blacks, as you keep pointing out, the majority of them get detained and arrested for their crimes. This was the point that black Americans were making.

    The police do a stellar job at arresting black perpetrators, especially when they admit they killed someone (like Zimmerman), so that people who like statistics can throw those numbers into black Americans faces and talk about crime because the police are on top of their jobs in the black community and those black criminals get arrested.

    Black Americans are protesting this case because they feel the police were applying double-standards when it comes to the perpetrator getting arrested.

    Why are white Americans missing this point even though black Americans keep repeating this over and over…

    Also, do you attend a black church, or work with minority-based organizations that have outreach programs…do you have regular contact with the black community for you to say that blacks arent’ doing anything about crime in the black community?

    Do you at least listen to Tom Joyner?


  456. @ liftingingoshen

    Don’t try to put words in my mouth and make me a racist just because that is your sorry excuse for life. I never once said anything bad about whites on this blog. I have said things bad about their counterpart the white racist which it is obvious from you rant that you don’t know the difference between.

    I don’t give a darn about your political correctness. It is your ignorance that is annoying.

    “Simple – you haven’t shown that you are able to behave like civilized people as a whole within a society. You make up what 12% of the population and account for over half of all violent crimes. Really that is why, you are largely uneducated, and largely you are violent as a collective whole. Blacks can’t want this brotherhood and community then reject it when the negatives are shown. It has nothing to do with whites having no soul or no self worth like you claim. It seriously is the behavior of the black community in terms of education, and crime that makes white weary of blacks.”

    —Is this all you got. As I have stated in my post a majority of blacks have there shit together, but not all of them are in the news like the ones that commit crimes. What part of that do you not understand or are you so wrapped up in the “oh it’s blacks fault” blanket that you can not grasp that concept. What makes you mad is that is is actually true because you want the ones to have it together to take responsibility for the ones who don’t. You want that excuse to hate all blacks and in reality you have nothing.

    “It shows the black communities inability to try and fix their own problems, much easier to blame everyone else.”

    —A lot of black leaders work with the youth in there areas, but not all of them count on jesse, obama, and al. Do your research buddy because so far you are hitting 0 for 0.

    “Look at Africa, you blame the white man, but how many mass rapes are committed there? How many genocides? Is there ONE country that has a functional government on the entire Continent?”

    —Again do some research. It was the white male interference that lead to them reacting like that. The “I can fix everything” attitude. So do some research!!! Also as I said before…Why should I take blame for issues half way across the world.

    All you did was point fingers at blacks and never once managed to realize that white racist have put a hand into a lot of the things blacks do.


  457. @ Lifting

    “the world was a brutal place 1000 years ago, 500 years ago etc… every race killed, raped, and stole land during war. Every race enslaved other people. Do you really think only white people stole land during war? “

    When whites do it, there is nothing wrong with them because “everyone does it”. But when blacks do the very same thing they are called violent, they need to fix their communities, etc. You are practising a racist double standard.


  458. “Blacks already do all of that and more, that’s my point. The slave trade in Africa still runs, genocide in Africa is rampant, cutting off limbs, mass rapes, endless war, bombing cities, wiping out millions of other blacks, it’s all there, and not done by white people.”—I have not killed anyone…Has anyone else been on a mass murder spree? I have not raped anyone? How about the rest of yall? What about that criminal record he keeps speaking of?


  459. @ Lifting

    White fear of blacks cannot be accounted for by crime. Patterns of white flight and police profiling show that their fear goes way beyond what is rational.

    Blacks commit about half the murders in America yet whites are something like six times more likely to be killed by a white person instead. That shows that the levels at which white keep themselves apart from blacks go far beyond what is rational from the point of view of mere crime. There is more to it than what you are saying.


  460. @ liftingingoshen

    Do you realize you are the only one bringing up things that happened not only in Africa, but that a large some of blacks don’t even do?

    The media has you people brainwashed into believing that all or majority of blacks do that and it is incorrect. That is why I say do better research and what better research than to either get to know a black person or move. This is why I never look at news or listen to statistics on any race because if they was the case I would be hiding my children from white men.


  461. correction That*


  462. Why waste your energy?

    @Truth,

    Considering Someguy’s avatar i was wondering why he would?


  463. I know right. To say we blacks do that so often, then we must remember.


  464. @ Lifting:

    Of blacks you say:

    “Like I said at some point you have to step back and take stock of your own community and stop blaming me, direct that energy into lowering crime rates in your communities, strengthen your families, basically just take some responsibility instead of looking to pass the buck and make excuses.”

    And smear all blacks with the crimes of a few and excuse white fears of blacks based on that.

    Yet when it comes to white misdeeds the rules are different:

    “Like I said at some point blacks have to stop looking to punish whites for the past, it’s an absurd notion I must atone for the sins of my fathers. I’m an individual and owe you nothing and I have nothing to apologize to you for.”

    Yet more racist double standards. Whites are judged as individuals, blacks are judged by the worst among them. How nice.

    Interesting too that you missed the racist double standard of the Trayvon case.


  465. @ Lifting

    I deleted one of your comments. You are not allowed to use the n-word in your comments.


  466. on Wed 20 Jun 2012 at 14:57:10 liftingingoshen

    At least be clear and show the context it was written in, I said the Irish were considered Potato N-Word of Europe. Since I’m being moderated here, and my words purposely being twisted by the site owner I’ll move on, no need to attempt a discussion when all people want is to push an agenda.


  467. @ Lifting

    Yes, please move on to somewhere where you can say the n-word freely and no one will challenge your racist frame of mind.


  468. @ @ liftingingoshen

    “Like I said at some point you have to step back and take stock of your own community and stop blaming me”—Who blamed you for anything? Where did anyone in here point the finger and say [your name] I blame you for my life. You seem to miss the post where I made it clear I don’t blame whites just to so you can have something to base your baseless argument on.

    “direct that energy into lowering crime rates in your communities, strengthen your families”—I am a Mormon so family strengthening is key, but you can tell that to all my white sisters who husband walked out on them and did not even say a darn word.

    “basically just take some responsibility instead of looking to pass the buck and make excuses”—I take plenty of responsibility. What you keep saying is take responsibility not only for yourself and your family but the black community as a whole. Do you take responsibility for child rapist, serial killers, kkk crimes etc.? I guess you don’t think Scott Peterson and ted bundy were white?


  469. See how quick they give up when there arguments really have no basis.


  470. The slave trade in Africa still runs

    White slavery exists in both the U.S. and in Europe, especially Eastern Europe. White girls are kidnapped and sold off to sex slavers.

    genocide in Africa is rampant

    Where? Tell me exactly where in Africa genocide is happening at this moment. If you bring up a past genocide, I’m afraid I must remind you of the many genocides committed by Europeans.

    cutting off limbs

    In the 30 years Belgium was in the Congo, they dismembered and killed millions of Black Africans. Perhaps the current Africans learned this from them.

    mass rapes

    From master/slave rapes to White college kids drugging and date raping White women, I don’t think you are in a position to talk about rape.

    endless war

    America has been in a war for almost every decade of it’s existence.

    bombing cities

    See above.

    wiping out millions of other blacks

    Not only do Whites kill other Whites, they kill plenty of other people as well. See, above.

    Bottom line is, I don’t live in an African country, I live in America. Many, if not most, of the problems stated in this blog pertain to America and the Western World in general, not Africa (at least that’s what it seems to me). I don’t want to play tit-for-tat. We can talk about each others “motherland” all day, but that’s not the real focus. The real focus is the treatment of Blacks living in the Western world. Africa really has nothing to do with it, since, as you say, it’s Black on Black. This is about Black and White.

    Now if you can refute the grievances of Blacks living in the Western world, then fine. But don’t bring up Africa when Europe has it’s own set of problems.


  471. @Someguy and Lifting

    ^Why do either of you care about mentioning or thinking of Africa? You both are clearly fighting over who should and shouldn’t get the most benefits of whiteness, so Africa to you two should be a non issue.

    Cheers! :-)


  472. @ phoebeprunelle

    lolwut?


  473. lolwut?

    I find it hard to understand why two people who have:

    a. never stepped foot in Africa

    b. probably won’t ever (they are too scared its one huge jungle with diseases waiting to jump their flesh)

    Should be even talking about Africa to prove or refute an argument.


  474. Should be even talking about Africa to prove or refute an argument.

    I believe that’s what I said in my post. Are you trying to Jedi Mind Trick me??


  475. I believe that’s what I said in my post. Are you trying to Jedi Mind Trick me??

    Unhunh. . .


  476. @phoebeprunelle

    I had to actually sift through a month and a half of posts to try to piece together why you made that odd statement to me. I think you’re referring to some comments I made in the post about views on continental African women. I don’t know where you got the impression that I’m somehow anti-African, but that isn’t the case. It’s true I support the Black American cause primarily, but it’s my hope that tighter bonds can be made between Africa and the African diaspora. Maybe you should review some of my other posts before you judge me so harshly.


  477. on Fri 22 Jun 2012 at 03:31:30 liftingingoshen

    @someguy – You’re an American, deal with it. You’re as African as I am Irish, the only thing Irish about me is some mixed DNA, a surname, and penchant for beer, other than that nothing, I actually tan real well… culturally, linguistically, religiously, and politically I couldn’t be less Irish and I don’t see myself as Irish at all but an American. Same with you and Africa, drop both of us in the middle of the Congo and we are both lost on an alien continent, you… slightly… very slightly less so.


  478. @liftingingoshen

    I must be losing my mind, because I’m pretty darn sure that’s basically what I said to you in my post. The heat must be getting to everyone. Seriously.


  479. lost on an alien continent

    So. . . you’re telling me that only extraterrestials reside in DRC?


  480. Funny. Lifting claimed he was not coming back and jumps back in to repeat something another poster said. Whites like him should not ever talk about blacks being uneducated because it is clear it is a disease running around in the white community as well.


  481. on Fri 22 Jun 2012 at 15:00:35 liftingingoshen

    My mother is into genealogy and I’ve had my DNA traced for the National Geographic Genome project, it came from Africa, settled in Iran for 40,000 years or so, migrated through Spain and Europe, then most recently Ireland for several thousands years.

    My updated DNA profile my Mom had done points to me having Native American and African blood recently, my Mom said a great great great grandmother was probably part African American bust passed as white. No idea where the Native American came from, my mothers side were here as Dutch settlers early so I assume that’s where the Indian came from.

    I don’t claim any exclusive whiteness, but I identify as white of European descent.

    What I meant by my statement was take any black from America and me and drop us both into the Sudan or Congo and we are both completely and equally lost, maybe the black guy has a tiny leg up. You are no more African than I am Irish, I don’t claim any Irishness, I’m an American, you’re an American, this blank-American is a huge part of the problem. Just be an American


  482. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840

    “Do pigmentation and the melanocortin system modulate aggression and sexuality in humans as they do in other animals?”

    Really? Dark skin = aggressive/slutty… “-__-… I will never understand why studies like these are made in 2012…and become published.


  483. I’m an American, you’re an American, this blank-American is a huge part of the problem. Just be an American

    I’ll view myself as “just an American”, when I get treated like “just an American”.


  484. on Fri 22 Jun 2012 at 16:21:28 duckduckgoofs

    deedee

    Black supremacists make unsupported claims about how melanin and the pineal gland are supposed to give blacks super powers. I’m glad to see that real scientists are looking into it. Thanks for the link.


  485. I’m glad to see that real scientists are looking into it. Thanks for the link.

    Rushton’s name comes up frequently in that report, so it’s wise to take it with a grain of salt….or the whole shaker.


  486. @duckduckgoofs

    I don’t see how this article is any less outlandish then claims that are made by Black Supremacist.


  487. *that article


  488. @lifting and someguy,

    Look i get what both of you are saying, i just don’t agree. A change in geographic location does not erase one’s lineage.

    That’s fine if you want to think of yourself as American only or whatever. . .

    but many people are not satisfied with just that.

    Ali Mazrui said it best “I can be in America for 1,000 years but i will always be a Kenyan.”


  489. @phoebeprunelle

    I respect that. We can be involved the same struggle and have different viewpoints, as long as we agree on the ultimate goal, which is the empowerment of Black people.


  490. on Fri 22 Jun 2012 at 17:14:06 duckduckgoofs

    as long as we agree on the ultimate goal, which is the empowerment of Black people.

    Amen, brotha! Black power! Black power! :)


  491. @ Duck

    And I am going to say to you what I say about every study. BS. Based on your comment the real scientist are just as stupid then, which makes my stance on statistics and “supposed” scientific research more justified.


  492. @ Joe

    I am going to be so bold as to say you are just plain stupid. You take one person’s comment (because it was not in the blog) and do a generalization of everyone. You could have directed your stupidity towards them but I am guessing if you had tried that they would have squashed you like the bug you are.

    Heres an idea. Leave the thinking to people with brains.


  493. on Sat 23 Jun 2012 at 15:27:17 duckduckgoofs

    deedee, Sharina

    I’m well aware that many on this blog have an aversion to science and statistics that doesn’t support their “views”. Oddly enough, the same people often applaud unsupported claims by abbie and others that do.

    Co-signed! haha


  494. @ Duck

    Well I stick by what I have said since day 1. I do not support statistics. I can’t trust them unless I have done the research myself.


  495. @duckduckgoofs

    I wouldn’t assume that those that disagree with statistics have a slight dislike for science and all statistics. I also, at least from my understanding, find that abagond at times shares his own personal opinion and others may share that same viewpoint from their experience. Ah, still scattered brain hopefully I’m slightly clear.

    Side note, I miss chemistry ><.


  496. @duckduckgoofs

    The problem with the numerous White bigots that come to this site is that many simply are simple minded people. They may have a great rote memory for information, but they lack the mental sophistication to extrapolate data and come to any conclusion other than a grossly simplistic explanation. Many times they will take raw data, without proper context, and weave it into their own bigoted psyches, inadvertently strengthening their cultural bias. Then they present this “insightful information” as scientific gospel to the people on this blog. I will concede that we all do this to a degree, but I think those with social privilege are less likely to scrutinize any material that tells them they are less than special or, at the very least, the “norm”.

    Furthermore, when the White bigot’s opposition offers their own scientific sources, these scientists are accused of being left-wing, socialist, communist, too liberal and a whole host of different slurs used in order to shatter their legitimacy. Then when Blacks question the bigots’ sources, the bigots are incensed that the “lowly ne-gro” is questioning their White authority.

    I’m sorry if we are not a bunch of “kool-aid” drinkers (actually JJ killed those people with cyanide mixed with FLAVOR-AID, a kool-aid knock-off brand). If you were in a society where people are, at best, indifferent to your suffering, you’d be wary of any claims that demonize you or your ethnicity/race as well. You appear to lack genuine empathy towards Blacks because you see Black people as foreign. Although, I don’t like the methods than White society utilizes to stay in existence, I understand the reasons behind it. How about you try to understand Blacks, instead of posting snarky comebacks and pseudo-insightful lubtish. Or is that a little too close to the battlefield for your comfort zone?

    And the man is called ABAGOND, not “abbie”. If you are on his site, then at least give the man that respect.


  497. @Someguy

    Well said but I fear your commentary will fall on deaf ears…..


  498. @SomeGuy:

    Most, if not all of these posters you refer to, are out to lunch. They are here for their own need to bolster their already non-existence sense of self and worth. Almost all their utterances scream this. The first clue is the fact that they come here in the first place spew their oftentimes comical bullshite. They are here to rile up and inflame people. For them it is a masturbatory experience coupled or aided by liquor and or some other intoxicant. If it isn’t those two, they are just plain off their rocker! At best, they are comical and doubly so as their posts are intentional.


  499. Someguy,

    Great response, but I agree with Demerera. It will go into one ear and out the other with some people.

    Some people like duckduckgoofs are unable or unwilling to comprehend the point of view of people they deem as “different” from their point of view. In the end their points of view are the only points that matters. All others are just wrong for one reason or another regardless if they are good or supported. All of which shows that they are:

    A. Not interested in any conversation.
    B. Not interested in learning.
    C. Just a run-of-the-mill troll

    Duck,

    You’ve mentioned that, “Black supremacists make unsupported claims about how melanin and the pineal gland are supposed to give blacks super powers.”

    What are black supremacists and who are they exactly? From what I’ve heard these so-called black supremacists are usually black people trying to undo centuries worth of white supremacist programming while installing a sense of pride and self-worth long lost from the hearts and minds of blacks from generation to the next.

    To some with the white racist mindset, that’s a no-no. Black people in this country can never hold their heads high or be proud that they are black. To do that may cripple the foundation of this great republic.


  500. @ Brothawolf and Someguy

    I have to give kudos to your responses.


  501. @ Demerera

    It will. Lately I am begining to wonder if any of them really know what they are talking about. After watching lifting try and argue his case about hating blacks based on Africa, I am convinced that something must be seriously wrong with them.

    As Herneith put it “They are here for their own need to bolster their already non-existence sense of self and worth.”


  502. correction beginning.


  503. @ Sharina, brothawolf, Herneith and Demerera

    It’s tiring isn’t it? I mean, it really is mentally, emotionally and even physically tiring. That’s why I post a few days then take a month or so vacation.


  504. @brothawolf

    You asked duckduckgoofs “What are black supremacists and who are they exactly?”

    I have read several books by a couple Black nationalists that although insightful were slightly prejudice. They called out whites in pretty vicious ways and suggested the same sort of negative things about whites that white supremacists says about Black folk. It isn’t the same as those that seek out the truth because the truth doesn’t have to bring others down. The most annoying things is that these few individuals are used as an archetype for the mindset of all Black people which is an unreasonable assumption that can be made..


  505. @Sharina

    “II am going to be so bold as to say you are just plain stupid. You take one person’s comment (because it was not in the blog) and do a generalization of everyone. You could have directed your stupidity towards them but I am guessing if you had tried that they would have squashed you like the bug you are.

    Heres an idea. Leave the thinking to people with brains.”

    Nice try, but it’s not just one person on this blog, it’s most everyone on this blog. Anyways, my comment has been censored because the truth couldn’t be handled. That truth being that it would be best, since we Whites are so evil and we’re not going to change, that Blacks and Whites just seperated. Blacks go to Africa, Liberia allows immigration of American Blacks. The US govnerment pays for the move, builds Blacks a home there and gives them enough money to live on, say 200,000 dollars, which would be rich there. Oppressed, put upon Black Americans would be free of evil Whites forever and live like kings in Liberia.


  506. @ Someguy

    It gets extremely tiring. Most days it is the why bother.


  507. Hey Joe

    How about YOU give me that $200K bucks??
    Why? Because it’s YOUR truth/idea that blacks and whites should be separated, and blacks should go to Liberia. The government may, or may not pay, I haven’t checked … but since it’s you, and not the government suggesting that disgruntled, dissatisfied blacks go to Liberia, that $200K should come from your pocket.

    You can look at it as restitution/compensation/reparations for “Oppressed, put upon Black Americans.” You could also get as many of your *like minded* associates, neighbors, friends and family to follow your example – paying individual black people reparations of $200,000 (or more) directly from their personal finances for being oppressed and put upon – BY YOU KNOW WHO.

    Or, you and all the other white people that think and act like you could go back to whatever European country of your origin. How about that??? Then you guys could be Kings, Queens, Dukes, Knights, Ladies, Lords, serfs, etc.. in Europe… again!


  508. @ Joe

    “Nice try, but it’s not just one person on this blog, it’s most everyone on this blog”—Really so find one person on this blog that has really said anything hateful towards whites other than the persons statement you quoted. I will wait on that.

    “Anyways, my comment has been censored because the truth couldn’t be handled.”–You will have to ask abagond about how much of your comments are sensored, but truth of the matter is you would not know truth if it hit you in the face..slide down it and landed in your mouth.

    “That truth being that it would be best, since we Whites are so evil and we’re not going to change, that Blacks and Whites just seperated. Blacks go to Africa, Liberia allows immigration of American Blacks. The US govnerment pays for the move, builds Blacks a home there and gives them enough money to live on, say 200,000 dollars, which would be rich there. Oppressed, put upon Black Americans would be free of evil Whites forever and live like kings in Liberia.”—Here you are repeating yourself and just a few seconds ago you stated Abagond sensored you. See what I mean by your lack of knowing the truth. In regards to the statement at hand and the interest of the Native Americans…I propose this. Whites leave America and let them have. You do realize while blacks were forced here you whites took it from someone else. I am sure the Native Americans would love to have their land back, so the government can pay for your to get your sorry butt out too. Now because you are as dumb as you appear to be…you do realize that for those individuals that do have native American blood and heritage (blacks do fit into this due to mixing of races) You are on their land.

    So while those nice mixed blacks are waving your sorry white butt goodbye. The rest of the white race can happily pat you on the back for opening your stupid mouth to such a grand ole idea.

    Here’s some advice…..Go actually learn something. The biggest problem I have ever had with “Racist” White (have to emphasize for the stupid) is that all of you believe because you do something then every other race must be doing it as well. Because you believe something it must be true.

    Do you even realize that a great deal of blacks live comfortably, do not do drugs, are not on welfare, do not live in the ghetto, has on average 2 kids, have a college education, and I could go on but why bother? It bothers some of you whites so darn much that you keep holding on to the blacks that do get into trouble just so you can say the “see look.”

    Whites have been living a lie since god knows how long. Whites have not invented as much as they think. You can happily take credit for stealing most of what you think you invented. America is not your land. I see more whites living the welfare dream than I see blacks. The list could go on but once again why bother. You don’t have the brain power to go actually figure that out.


  509. @Matari

    I find it humorous that Joe suggests Liberia as if he was absolutely certain they’d happily accept tens of millions of foreigners in their country. lol


  510. <It’s tiring isn’t it? I mean, it really is mentally, emotionally and even physically tiring. That’s why I post a few days then take a month or so vacation.

    No, I don’t find it particularly tiring. You see, for the most part, these same buttocks holes wouldn’t dare make these utterances to a black person’s face off line in the real world. So their posts are just so much online hot air. They are comical if nothing else. It’s the ones who run things in the real world who are tiring especially the colour blind ones. The blatant racist is on the fringes even amongst their own kind.

    Blacks go to Africa, Liberia allows immigration of American Blacks.

    Why do the ‘blacks’ have to go back to Africa? Why not the ‘whites’ go back to Europe? Nice try indeed!

    “II am going to be so bold as to say you are just plain stupid.

    Be bold, because he is ‘stupid’. Imagine using that time worn “Go back to ‘Africa argument”? :

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/go-back-to-africa/


  511. http://gifsoup.com/view3/1909591/clapping-o.gif

    @Sharina, Matari, Herneith, SomeGuy

    Wish I could imbed gifs but the standing ovation gif seems appropriate :D .


  512. Why not the ‘whites’ go back to Europe? Nice try indeed!

    Herenith, dear lady (smh), don’t you know they can’t go back to Europe–its not lily white anymore.


  513. lifting,

    What can I say. You are full of stereotypes, among other things. Shall I waste my time listing them, or shall I move on as I would have more luck teaching a cat to unicycle?


  514. It’s disturbing. It really is. These guys must be too far gone to allow ignorance, fear and hatred to rule their lives and are proud of it. You have to agree with them on everything they say about blacks in order for them to stop talking and smile crookedly behind their computer screens.

    It’s not gonna happen.

    So far, certain comments begs to ask the question about the mentality, psychology, intelligence, and actions of those who are color-aroused with hatred. And that question is what’s wrong with them? Something has to be broken in there. Otherwise, not only would they not be so proud to be this insane, but they wouldn’t waste their time on an anti-racist blog to do so.

    I mean is whiteness all that matters to them in the end? Are they really that hollow inside as to hold on to such an archaic ideal?


  515. on Sun 24 Jun 2012 at 05:04:03 duckduckgoofs

    hernieth

    You sound upset. :(


  516. @ brothawolf

    For most of them I can say they are stuck in the white is right attitude. Everyone that came in had it stuck in their minds that whites do nothing wrong. Lifting ignored me several times when I pointed out to crimes of whites. He completely acted like I did not say it and continued to go on to talk about Africa and all kind of nonsense that had little or nothing to do with what is going on here today in 2012 America.

    I also noticed that many of them have this idea that whites build America. They don’t actually acknowledge the works of the individuals that actually did build this land. They are delusional at best. Brainwashed into believing that only whites accomplish anything.


  517. Because at the end of the day I’m still me and you’re still you. And I wouldn’t have it any other way.

    If you are so satisfied with your life, then why are you here?


  518. on Sun 24 Jun 2012 at 07:07:21 duckduckgoofs

    someguy

    Some play solitaire and others do crosswords. I like to argue with nitwits. It relaxes me.


  519. @Sharina and others

    “In regards to the statement at hand and the interest of the Native Americans…I propose this. Whites leave America and let them have it.”

    Most of America, about 99% was empty wilderness and not owned or occupied by anyone, when Whites first came so spare me the nonsense about Whites “stealing” America. However, I’m all for giving the Indians back the one percent of land they occupied. Anyways, the first people who came to America were the Clovis people from Europe 20,000 years ago or at least if not first, they came around the same time as the Indians. Anyways, if the land were “stolen” as you say, then Blacks are also benefiting by staying on the stolen land and that’s wrong, right?

    “How about YOU give me that $200K bucks??
    Why? Because it’s YOUR truth/idea that blacks and whites should be separated, and blacks should go to Liberia. ”

    Nice try, but why should I give YOU 200K, I don’t owe you anything. Anyways, why would you want to stay in America around evil Whites? No Black on here ever answers WHY they want to stay around Whites?

    ” Why not the ‘whites’ go back to Europe? Nice try indeed”

    Why should Whites go back to Europe? It was Whites who founded, created and built America. Don’t give me the nonsense about Blacks slaves building America, they didn’t. I’m not saying that no other race contributed to building America, but up a couple of decades ago, America was ninety something percent White, so Whites did create America, just like the Chinese created China, the Mexicans created Mexico and so forth..

    Why do the ‘blacks’ have to go back to Africa?

    Blacks are the ones who should leave since Africa is their homeland and their ancestors were kidnapped against their will. The proper thing to do is to return the kidnapped home, right? Anyways, Blacks are the ones complaining about Whites so they are the ones who should return to their homeland, that would solve their problem.

    “Do you even realize that a great deal of blacks live comfortably, do not do drugs, are not on welfare, do not live in the ghetto, has on average 2 kids, have a college education, and I could go on but why bother? It bothers some of you whites so darn much that you keep holding on to the blacks that do get into trouble just so you can say the “see look.” ”

    Yes, I realize there is a Black middle and upper class. However, Blacks in large numbers almost always destroy any school or neighborhood they move into, turning it into a crime ridden slum. I know from EXPERIENCE. Look at Detroit or any other American urban city. Blacks commit crime far, far in excess per capita of their numbers. Blacks attack Whites as a rate of FORTY times the reverse. When you rape, attack and murder OUR people, we have every right to be very angry. It’s not just Whites either, NO race, be they Asians or Hispanics, wants to live around large numbers of Blacks.

    “You can happily take credit for stealing most of what you think you invented. America is not your land. I see more whites living the welfare dream than I see blacks. ”

    Wrong, we didn’t “steal” anything and America is OUR land and you’re lucky you’re here. More Blacks are on welfare per capita than Whites by far, the welfare being paid for by you guessed it, EVIL YT.


  520. Face it, none of you want to go back to Africa because you have a much better life in America than you ever would back in Africa. Blacks today benefited enormously from slavery. American Whites have done more for American Blacks then any other race has done for any minority on the planet. Whites have spent 15 trillion on Blacks for everything from head start, the War on Poverty, welfare, medicaid, section 8, EBT etc. Blacks get preferences in job and university admissions, government aid, affirmative action etc. What other race would do this for a minority that hated them and committed so much violence against them? The answer is none.

    Blacks have to keep playing the “victim card” because they know that many of today’s spineless Whites will feel guilty. However, things are changing and more and more Whites are growing a backbone and are getting fed up with giving so much only to be hated and bashed. The truth is African-Americans are in no way oppressed, quite the opposite, they are favored beyond belief. Some day,if things continue as they are, Hispanics could become the majority in America. If that day comes, you can kiss all of your “Black priveledge” goodbye.


  521. duck,

    And your comments showed me what I knew about you. So, we’ve shown that we know each other.


  522. Blacks today benefited enormously from slavery. American Whites have done more for American Blacks then any other race has done for any minority on the planet. Whites have spent 15 trillion on Blacks for everything from head start, the War on Poverty, welfare, medicaid, section 8, EBT etc. Blacks get preferences in job and university admissions, government aid, affirmative action etc. What other race would do this for a minority that hated them and committed so much violence against them? The answer is none.

    OMG – and he actually believes this!


  523. blockquote> It was Whites who founded, created and built America. Don’t give me the nonsense about Blacks slaves building America, they didn’t. I’m not saying that no other race contributed to building America, but up a couple of decades ago, America was ninety something percent White, so Whites did create America, just like the Chinese created China, the Mexicans created Mexico and so forth..

    Abagond should ban your ass just for the sheer stupidity of this statement…

    Whites did not found “America”, no more than they founded South Africa, Hispaniola, various parts of the Yucatan Peninsula or any other place that had been captured and colonized by them. Answer me this–where did the name America come from anyway? Hint: The vast majority of what we think of as north america today had many, many–if not thousands of languages, different ehtnic groups of the indigenous people who once were in abundance here, birth rituals, naming rituals, etc, etc…

    Why should Whites go back to Europe?

    The more appropriate question is why won’t they? You are way too backwards for your brothers and sisters in continental Europe–they believe in socialism, while”you” are still clinging on to an epic fail called capitalism–France has an obesity rate just hovering over 8%, while your “family” here is 23% and rising, so “ya’ll” are too fat to join them. The same obseity trends can be found in Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Denmark,etc. But, the grand finale is this–Europe is not lilywhite anymore and you will be surrounded by a plethora of black, brown, and yellow people! Much like you are trying to escape here–but you won’t ever–no matter where you go in the world cause WE are going to be there. Black communities are springing up in the Ukraine and Croatia–my husband’s colleauge and our good friend who is white and from Croatia was telling us how happy she was about this!

    Cheers! :-)


  524. @Joe

    “However, I’m all for giving the Indians back the one percent of land they occupied.”

    —They only occupied 1%. LOL that is rich and stupid.

    “Anyways, the first people who came to America were the Clovis people from Europe 20,000 years ago or at least if not first, they came around the same time as the Indians.”

    —Errr wrong. Go back to school or online search or something. Clovis people were believed to be from Asian or European decent not just European. This is based on DNA found in American Indians. ” DNA actually suggest that there was a group before them, so try again.

    “Anyways, if the land were “stolen” as you say, then Blacks are also benefiting by staying on the stolen land and that’s wrong, right?”

    —Well see based on your logic this actually is blacks land. Our ancestors had a large chunk of putting it together for sorry racist whites to occupy. I would say we should benefit to some extent considering us and Indians families build it with blood sweat and tears.

    “Don’t give me the nonsense about Blacks slaves building America, they didn’t.”

    —Actually they did. White people were so freaking lazy back then they never even nursed their own young. Black women took milk from their own breast to nurse white men who grew up and treated them just as back as their fathers. Raped their daughters and created laws to justify it. Black cooked for whites, built house for whites, tilled land for whites, built road, etc. So please tell me what white society did other than just sit back and enjoy it. Bark commands maybe. You really need to start doing your research. I mean really.

    “Anyways, Blacks are the ones complaining about Whites so they are the ones who should return to their homeland, that would solve their problem.”

    —I guess you missed that lecure about not all whites and me mentioning returning to Africa. See how whites like to believe it is all their idea and can not read to boot.

    “Yes, I realize there is a Black middle and upper class. However, Blacks in large numbers almost always destroy any school or neighborhood they move into, turning it into a crime ridden slum. I know from EXPERIENCE.”

    —Actually this is where you wrong and I am going to pull a duck and say you are bias. Just because you have that issue in your area does not mean it is all blacks. It has been stated not once but several times on this post (which I know now you fail to read) that many blacks are not like that but low and behold stupid takes hold of people like you and you believe anything the media tells you but are the same idiots calling media bias when they show the true nature of a white killer.

    “When you rape, attack and murder OUR people, we have every right to be very angry.”

    —Ok so you just basically made some of the individuals point in here. Whites have been raping black women for centuries so we are justified in being angry. Nice to know you agree. Not to mention the white men that kill blacks unjustly. Remember the good ole kkk and the massive hangings they have done and the black guy that was dragged behind his truck by whites….oh I could just go on and on. But you don’t really want to hear about my justifications do you?

    “It’s not just Whites either, NO race, be they Asians or Hispanics, wants to live around large numbers of Blacks.”

    —Why is it white racist always try to convince themselves that it’s not them it’s Asians too (Hispanic is not a race numb nuts…go back to school get a real education)? For starters go to an Asian blog. They don’t really like white people as much as you whites claim. They are smart enough to use white people, but tolerate is really all you can get from them. Secondly you need to travel because we actually live in neighborhoods with large some of blacks and a few whites. We don’t have many Asians around here.

    “Wrong, we didn’t “steal” anything and America is OUR land and you’re lucky you’re here. More Blacks are on welfare per capita than Whites by far, the welfare being paid for by you guessed it, EVIL YT.”

    —Actually it is more my land do to the Native American mixture in my blood and I can tell you many other blacks have that backing. Secondly as a Native American that and see how quick he might spit in your face. You stole their land and forced them into caps to become white or as it was stated back then “civilized.” They peacefully occupied the land before white people. When whites came they drove them off of it. When they migrated and tried to start again more whites came and drove them off that…Those that went peacefully anyway.

    As far as welfare you might want to recheck those numbers and post them. Tell yourself what you want if you like. That is what white racist like you usually do. Oh and welfare is paid for by tax payers dumby…You know in which blacks pay into.


  525. @ Joe

    Another thing about the welfare. There are whites on welfare that know how to cheat the system and have been for years. White couple living in 1.5 million dollar beach house on welfare. Look that up or better yet take a nice drive to the good ole south and take a look at the welfare queen of the trailer park. Hey if you have time go to Utah. Polygamy marriages are the largest set of women on welfare and government assistance.


  526. “OMG – and he actually believes this!”

    *******

    He can’t help but believe this this crap. Whiteness corrupts and renders weak minds incapable of rational analytical thought. Demonic…

    Thanks for coming here Joe and confirming for us – yet again – that we should:

    Never underestimate the incredible stupidity of overwhelming numbers of racists with white supremacist (delusional) mindsets!

    *Broken record department ….*


  527. Joe,

    I just want to thank you for the entertaining story you just shared. I always enjoy a bit of fiction sprinkled with truth.

    You’ve just confirmed my theory that you Americans have mediocre secondary schools, which I believe should be responsible for teaching history properly(Universities don’t and shouldn’t have to pick up the slack)

    Seriously though,

    I’d like to think that your anger at the posters caused you to share your views in the skewed direction that you presented it because you present yourself as an educated person.

    So, I do believe you know, that even though white Europeans invaded and occupied the new world and slaughtered and displaced millions of Natives, without the Native Indians help, whites would not have survived in the Americas.

    Without Squanto’s help and guidance, the Plymouth Colony would not have survived.

    http://www.millsgen.com/gen/hist/pilstor4.htm

    Also, the Massachusetts colonists had to form mutual defense treaties with several Native Indian nations who agreed to help them fight other Indian nations that were trying to get rid of the white colonists (as well as the French)

    i hope you also know that the Virginia and Pennslyvania colonies had to form treaties with the Iroquois Nation to prevent all out war, and that Your great statesmen, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin, were involved with leaders of the New York-based Iroquois Confederacy.

    Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin, formed their ideas of democracy by using the ‘Great Law of Peace of the Iroquois Nation’, as the framework to write the American Constitution (They also copied ideas from France)

    I find most white Americans have this belief that their forefathers achieved everything on their own, with no help from others, then you all (Americans) turn around and wonder why the rest of the world can’t stand you (and NO, it’s not jealousy)

    But, members in every society have a need to feel good about themselves and their forefathers, so I can’t fault you for continuously drinking the Kool-Aide.


  528. Some play solitaire and others do crosswords. I like to argue with nitwits. It relaxes me.

    Nice try at deflection, but that’s not it. Be honest with yourself. Admit your life isn’t as fulfilling as you’d like it to be. Not even your “Whiteness” can help you.

    If silly jokes, childish insults and your skin color is all you have, you really don’t have much. Do you? Couple that with the fact you feel the need to argue with people you think are intellectually beneath you makes you seem really pathetic and desperate for attention. So, I wouldn’t brag about that to anyone. Keep that to yourself.

    I think I’m done with this particular thread, but I’d like to thank you before I go. Thanks for demon-strating and legitimizing the main topic “Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?” You been such a perfect example, I feel the need to extend my gratitude at your cooperation.

    I mean, who would have thought that a “highly intelligent” bigot would read the main topic and then go on to voluntarily prove every point against him by posting the most inane lubtish! Wow, intellect at it’s finest moment! You deserve a big ol’ gold star! BRAVO!

    Now, go and “ignore” this post like you do the others that you can’t defend against.

    Ciao!


  529. @ Linda

    Thank you very much for your post. People like joe are the reason I consider home schooling my daughter at times. I don’t want her thrown into an educational system that will teach her the lies of history rather than the truth.


  530. You sound upset.

    Nope. Hemorrhoids and gas pains are upsetting, not some lunatic spewing forth vomit on a blog. I find you funny actually. If you need something to relax you, go to watch paint dry and leave the sane folk alone! You must have little or no self-worth to come to a blog populated mostly with people you consider to be ‘inferior’ to you, or who you detest. That bespeaks your weak mind. Well I have no intentions of feeding into your self-hatred of yourself(didn’t you say you are ‘mixed’?). Have a wonderful day!


  531. @Sharina & others

    “OMG – and he actually believes this!”(Whites have done more for Blacks)

    It’s the truth, deny it all you want. The FACTS back it up.

    “Abagond should ban your ass just for the sheer stupidity of this statement…Whites did not found “America”,”

    You’re the one who is stupid. I was talking about the nation the USA, NOT the continent. Christ you’re thick. Yes, Whites did create the country called the USA-Blacks didn’t create it, neither did Mexicans, or Asians. Up until about 4 decades ago, the USA was around 94% White and there was little racial diversity.

    “—They(Indians) only occupied 1%. LOL that is rich and stupid”

    That is true. If ya want to see rich/stupid, look at yourself lol. Indians were nomadic tribes that fought against each other and combined together only occupied about one percent of what is today the USA and Canada. The myth that Whites “stole” all of the land is just a guilt trip used on Whites. Like I said, I’m all for giving Indians back the amount they occupied.

    Non-Whites of every race in past history stole, slaughtered others, invaded and did everything that Whites did and were just as bad if not worse so spare me the only-Whites-are-so-evil schtick. Asian mongols invaded Europe, and stole, slaughtered and raped. If I used your silly mindset, then I could say Europeans were later justified in later attacking the Asiatic Indians but of course I don’t.

    “The more appropriate question is why won’t they”(Whites back to Europe)

    Why should we? We created and founded the USA. Imagine though if all Whites today went back to Europe, it would be a disaster for Blacks.

    “—Actually they did(slaves built America). White people were so freaking lazy back then they never even nursed their own young.”

    Can anyone be this stupid? A few of the rich had Black wet nurses. Really, you’re delusional.

    “Black cooked for whites, built house for whites, tilled land for whites, built road, etc. So please tell me what white society did other than just sit back and enjoy it. Bark commands maybe. You really need to start doing your research. I mean really.”

    No you really need to do your research. A FEW RICH WHITES had Blacks do the work, 95% of all Whites did their own work.ROFLMAO

    “—Errr wrong. (Whites being in the Americas first or same time)Go back to school or online search or something.”

    There is increasing evidence that a small amount of Whites were either here first or came around the same time as the Indians based on numerous tools only found in Europe as well as caucasian skeletons. It is very probable that at least some Europeans did come much, much earlier as the Ice Age hit Europe hard and Europeans too would have had to travel to find food.

    “—Ok so you just basically made some of the individuals point in here. Whites have been raping black women for centuries so we are justified in being angry.”

    Another tired myth and lie. White slave owners raping slaves was uncommon, not saying it never happened but it was not common. Back in the past, there was no birth control, so if Whites raping Black slaves were common, there would be huge amounts of half Black babies but mulattos only made up a small portion of the populace and many of those were the result of willing sex. Half Black/Whites are far more common today with all the birth control we have then back then. Black men have raped far more White women than ever was the reverse.

    “Remember the good ole kkk and the massive hangings they have done and the black guy that was dragged behind his truck by whites….oh I could just go on and on. But you don’t really want to hear about my justifications do you?”

    Massive hangings, more nonsense. Whites too were lynched as well as Blacks. Back then, if someone was believed to have committed a crime, they were strung up without trial at times, wrong though it was.Lynchings for Blacks averaged about 40 per year, Whites about half that. Compare that with the average Black on White yearly murder rate today of 2,500 TODAY in America, EVERY 18 months, Blacks murder and equal number of Whites than Whites lynched Blacks in ALL of American history.

    “—Why is it white racist always try to convince themselves that it’s not them it’s Asians too (Hispanic is not a race numb nuts…go back to school get a real education)? For starters go to an Asian blog. They don’t really like white people as much as you whites claim. They are smart enough to use white people, but tolerate is really all you can get from them”

    Oh, the old “racist” card, yawn. Personally, I don’t care what Asians or Hispanics think of Blacks. (yes I realize they are not a “race” per se but treat them as such because they are a seperate “minority” group) However, I don’t need to convince myself of anything, on average Asians/Hispanics do NOT like Blacks and think them inferior, especially Asians. I also never said Asians liked Whites. Yes,some Asians use us because today, Whites are affected with a sick altruism and this needs to change amongst Whites.


  532. “Another thing about the welfare. There are whites on welfare that know how to cheat the system and have been for years. White couple living in 1.5 million dollar beach house on welfare. Look that up or better yet take a nice drive to the good ole south and take a look at the welfare queen of the trailer park. Hey if you have time go to Utah. Polygamy marriages are the largest set of women on welfare and government assistance.”

    I’m never said there were no Whites on welfare. Yes, there are Whites who cheat welfare, Whites who are trashy, Whites who commit crimes. Polygamists are a miniscule amount of people. The difference is we Whites don’t blame Blacks for these White people, we blame these White people themselves.


  533. @ Joe

    “Compare that with the average Black on White yearly murder rate today of 2,500 TODAY in America, ”

    Please try to remain reality-based.


  534. @Linda

    “Joe-I just want to thank you for the entertaining story you just shared. I always enjoy a bit of fiction sprinkled with truth.”

    What I say is not fiction but the truth and all of it can be backed up with facts. Of course to a brainwashed, politically correct person like yourself, you do find the truth to be an “entertaining story”..

    “You’ve just confirmed my theory that you Americans have mediocre secondary schools, which I believe should be responsible for teaching history properly(Universities don’t and shouldn’t have to pick up the slack)”

    Again, this shows how pathetically naive and ignorant you are. You’ve just confirmed my theory that you(I’m guessing typical ignorant European ,maybe Canadian one) who knows nothing about the US or our education system but actually thinks they do. Seriously, do you really think I learned this truth from the US educational system? No, I did NOT.The US educational system, of which I unlike you, have experience with, is just as politically correct and brainwashing as the European/Canadian one. I studied the truth apart from the marxist American educational system.

    Without Squanto’s help and guidance, the Plymouth Colony would not have survived. Without Squanto’s help and guidance, the Plymouth Colony would not have survived. Without Squanto’s help and guidance, the Plymouth Colony would not have survived.”
    “So, I do believe you know, that even though white Europeans invaded and occupied the new world and slaughtered and displaced millions of Natives, without the Native Indians help, whites would not have survived in the Americas.Without Squanto’s help and guidance, the Plymouth Colony would not have survived.”

    I realize that the early Indians help the original colonists to survive. I also realize that Whites at that time did kill and displace Indians(not millions there were only 200,000 to 2 million) and that was wrong. As I said. I’m all for giving the Indians back the percentage of the land they occupied. However, most of N.America was not “invaded” as it wasn’t occupied nor did it belong to anyone. Also, non-Whites in the past ,all over the world, invaded, slaughtered, raped and stole from others including Asiatic mongols doing this to Europeans long before Europeans did this to Asiatic Indians in the Americas. All races were horrible in the past, Whites TODAY have no more reason to feel guilty than any other race.


  535. @joe

    Another tired myth and lie. White slave owners raping slaves was uncommon, not saying it never happened but it was not common. Back in the past, there was no birth control, so if Whites raping Black slaves were common, there would be huge amounts of half Black babies but mulattos only made up a small portion of the populace and many of those were the result of willing sex.

    There were a significant majority of mixed babies and you damn well know it. What census would have recorded that information at the time – honestly! Do you think that WW would want to know about their men creeping down to the slave quarters in the wee hours and creating ‘brown’ babies? How would society cope with the fact that these, often pillars of society sated their lustful desire by sleeping with a woman deemed inferior and potentially not even seen as human?

    Those depraved and disgusting slave owners frequently raped and assaulted their black slaves imposing on them in a way they couldnt or wouldnt do to their wives. Overwhelmingly, these were certainly not consensual couplings as you are trying to portray here. Everything that has ever been writen and shown historically about this time proves it.


  536. Sharina-

    “Thank you very much for your post. People like joe are the reason I consider home schooling my daughter at times. I don’t want her thrown into an educational system that will teach her the lies of history rather than the truth.”

    The reason I would home school my kids is that the US education system is a marxist brainwashing tool, just like in Europe and the rest of the West, that tells Whites they are evil and horrible. I would also homeschool my kids if there were a lot of Blacks in the school because sending a White child there would not be safe.


  537. @ Joe

    You need to get a grip. On reality. American public schools are hardly Marxist or white-bashing. They are more like the opposite:

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/what-can-be-taught-as-history-in-texas/


  538. Linda

    “I find most white Americans have this belief that their forefathers achieved everything on their own, with no help from others, then you all (Americans) turn around and wonder why the rest of the world can’t stand you (and NO, it’s not jealousy)”

    Christ, Linda can you really be this ignorant?. You don’t know a damn thing about Americans or what we believe. Yes, our forefathers did achieve most everything on their own, just like the forefathers of any other country did. (Of course, in every country including ours, there was help or influence from others, but it was the forefathers of any country that did most of the creating and building.) As far as the rest of the world, I care about whether they like America or not, just as much as they care whether we like them ,NOT.


  539. “The more appropriate question is why won’t they? You are way too backwards for your brothers and sisters in continental Europe–they believe in socialism, while”you” are still clinging on to an epic fail called capitalism”

    Don’t make me laugh, socialism in Europe is failing. Most European nations have never spent much on their miltary but instead on social welfare because the USA has acted as the world’s policeman. Europe doesn’t have as large and costly Black/Mexican illegal populace using social welfare either though that is rapidly changing and the Euros don’t like it one bit. The USA sadly has a LOT of socialism, 15 trillion spent on our lovely and oh-so-grateful Blacks alone, not to mention the billions we spend on non-White illegals for free medical. Of course, Blacks love socialism as long as Whites are paying the taxes.

    “France has an obesity rate just hovering over 8%, while your “family” here is 23% and rising, so “ya’ll” are too fat to join them. ”

    One of the reasons are obesity stats are so high are because American Blacks have high obesity rates(thanks to all the EBT cards that Whites pay for for their food and drank), though more American Whites are obese than are Europeans. i don’t want to join Europe.

    “But, the grand finale is this–Europe is not lilywhite anymore and you will be surrounded by a plethora of black, brown, and yellow people! Much like you are trying to escape here–but you won’t ever–no matter where you go in the world cause WE are going to be there.”

    I’ve been to Europe so I know there are a lot of non-Whites there. Again, if Whites are so evil, why do Blacks and others follow them everywhere going to their countries? Why can’t Blacks make a success of their own nations?

    “Black communities are springing up in the Ukraine and Croatia–my husband’s colleauge and our good friend who is white and from Croatia was telling us how happy she was about this! ”

    Silly, naive European. She won’t be as the numbers of Blacks and all the crimes and welfare usage increases.


  540. Whew, I spent much longer on here than I wanted. Pointing out the truth to you people is crazy because there is no so blind that won’t see. Just sit back and blame all your problems(which are totally your fault) on the EVIL WHITE BOOGEYMAN. You’ll never change and take responsibiltiy for yourselves. However, a fair warning, fewer and fewer Whites, seeing the amount of favortism you have, are not buying your crap anymore. If Hispanics do become the majority and that could happen someday if things continue as they are, you can say goodbye or adios to your Black privilege. I’m going and this is my last post, keep living the fantasy folks.


  541. @Joe

    I’ve been to Europe so I know there are a lot of non-Whites there. Again, if Whites are so evil, why do Blacks and others follow them everywhere going to their countries? Why can’t Blacks make a success of their own nations?

    Certainly in the UK the black people from the Commonwealth were invited to help support the ‘mother country’ after the war but, of course, you being such a smart man knew this already didnt you. *rolls eyes*

    Trust me, for many that arrived in Blightly thinking that the streets were literally paved in gold were in for a nasty shock but d’you know what? They persevered despite the fact that often they were treated like the ‘uninvited guests’ – with cries of ‘go back to your own country’ even those who fought during the war for England were treated in this disgusting way. They were only trying to help re-build a shattered nation, what they had been asked to do in the first place!


  542. @ Joe

    Nor did you get the part where I said blacks don’t blame whites for welfare. You skip right by that. If you actually listened to what most blacks on welfare blame whites for it would blow your mind.

    Hey and I know a ton of whites on another blog at this very moment blaming blacks for the economy because of them being on welfare and lazy.


  543. @ Joe

    And before you get off topic. What you actually said was that there are more blacks on welfare than whites. I asked you to post your statistics. I just gave you an example of some of the largest welfare abusers. We can exclude trailer park welfare queens because many of them may actually need it and I do not want to trash people in need.


  544. @ Joe

    In 2010 it was estimated to be about 30,000 to 50,000 people that lived a lifestyle of polygamy. There have been reports that say 100,000 and up.

    It is estimated that 61% of welfare users are white, while 33% are black. Now I am not really big on statistics for reasons I have stated before but I tell you what. Go figure out why these numbers are higher (a chance to educate yourself) and then come back. Take this a freebie.


  545. @ Joe

    “All races were horrible in the past, Whites TODAY have no more reason to feel guilty than any other race.”

    —No one said They should and before you start raging off topic again most of this is what you brought up. You claimed a large sum of this crap in the beginning of how this land belong to whites, which it did not. DO you know the definition of invade? Look it up. You can’t invade something that has no occupants. You can’t invade empty land so now you are starting to contradict yourself. You can not claim that Indians did not occupy all of it only a small amount and at that same moment claim whites invaded the rest of the empty lands. Once you do that research then you might want to take another look at what you said.

    AS far as the American school system, from my experience in it we always learned blacks all came over as slaves. Even you are arguing this ignorant point and yet you are so against the system. It took me going to college and taking an Woman History course to learn that there were blacks that came over here free. Was actually always taught that white men did everything. Turns out the “good” white women did more undercover and blacks and Indians exceeded more than what whites will admit.

    “Yes, our forefathers did achieve most everything on their own, just like the forefathers of any other country did.”

    —You need to stop trying to claim most because if you cared to research you would actually find how much was stolen from blacks, Asians, etc. and claimed as white inventions. Start with who actually co-invented the light bulb (no Edison did not do it all alone as people have been taught).

    “Blacks have high obesity rates(thanks to all the EBT cards that Whites pay for for their food and drank), though more American Whites are obese than are Europeans.”

    —Stupid and backwards. LOL. Where to begin. I guess you missed that episode of American obesity. I guess you also missed the TV 600lbs. Staring a white woman who can’t get out of her house. Oh did you forget the fat white lady that wanted to sue McDonalds because she was fat or was it he hmmmm….If I am to believe the white stereotype then aren’t all blacks athletes? Again this is where you need to actually do some research weight varies depending on height. What is considered obese for one is not obese for another, so any statistic you put in the table will not be of any good unless test actually factor that in. Also as I have stated before and I will be providing links. White women are more likely to get government assistances programs and with that being said they would actually more likely be on EBT.

    “Again, if Whites are so evil, why do Blacks and others follow them everywhere going to their countries? Why can’t Blacks make a success of their own nations?”

    —You just asked that question so no need for the Again, but it has already been answered. Do you not realize that blacks do not follow whites right? Africa was invaded by whites, Blacks were forced here, and to other European countries by whites. They did procreate in those areas. You can’t be stupid enough to ask this but then again you already proved that.

    “She won’t be as the numbers of Blacks and all the crimes and welfare usage increases.”

    —You keep claiming it but do not post any statistics to it although you have claimed you have them to prove it. Also you are now trying to claim all blacks are on welfare. You must be blowing a fuse.


  546. I see that Joe said in his last comment that his last comment would be his last comment. Who believes that he will come back with more comments?


  547. @ Joe

    “If Hispanics do become the majority and that could happen someday if things continue as they are, you can say goodbye or adios to your Black privilege. I’m going and this is my last post, keep living the fantasy folks.”

    Did you skip that part in school that said HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE. For you to be that stupid after I told you it was not before is beyond me.

    Secondly try as you might but there are; what you white people call black Hispanics and based on your ignorant logic I still will have a heads up on you because I am married to an Hispanic. LOL.

    It does not pay to be stupid.


  548. @ brothawolf and Bulanik

    I am sure he will be back. Dumb as ever


  549. “JOe
    Christ, Linda can you really be this ignorant?. You don’t know a damn thing about Americans or what we believe. Yes, our forefathers did achieve most everything on their own, just like the forefathers of any other country did.”

    What I say is not fiction but the truth and all of it can be backed up with facts. Of course to a brainwashed, politically correct person like yourself, you do find the truth to be an “entertaining story”..”

    Linda says,

    Joe–Hahahahaha…you called ME, politically correct and brainwashed too….hahaha…that was cute…my fantastic English must have clued you in….your entertainment quota is going up:-)

    You assume too much, sunshine, and I don’t want you to live up to being the caricature of the saying ‘when you assume….”

    I’ll ignore half of what you said because I must have hurt your feelings, so you wish to lash out…dry your eyes Joe and lets start again.

    so, Let’s pick up where I left off:

    NO, Joe, your forefathers did not achieve everything on their own. They did achieve many things but they had LOADS of help.

    I see you completely ignored the fact that your Declaration of Independance and American Constitution got it’s backbones from the Iroquois Nation

    http://www.lightparty.com/Spirituality/Iroquois.html

    So, thank the Native Indians for introducing your white forefathers to Democracy.

    Now, let’s talk about this Native Indian population number you keep squaking about.

    It’s estimated that in 1776, there were 2.5 million people living in the American colonies. The first official census, 1790, recorded 3,929,214 people of the United States. (The Indian nations weren’t included)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1790_United_States_Census

    Native Indians were only included in US after they were herded onto Reservations in 1860, so JOe, you have NO idea how many natives lived in America, since your own white ancestors had NO CLUE.

    http://www.archives.gov/research/census/native-americans/1790-1930.html

    It was estimated that the Aztecs alone, were about 125 million (and that was just the tippy, tippy, Southwest).

    to paraphrase you, “Christ, Joe, can you really be so ignorant?
    (Christ, Linda can you really be this ignorant?)…you wish I was ignorant. As it stands, it’s going to take me days to re-educate you because the Kool-aide jug you drank from was massive.

    What’s also kind of hilarious is how you are so certain about Your so called FACTS when your own American historians admit they don’t know the how many Native Indians there were in North America and they can’t even agree on an estimated number.

    Alfred Kroeber thought it was 8.4 million, and “Henry Dobyns, an anthropologist, claimed in 1966 that there were between 10 and 12 million people north of Mexico in 1492, and between 90 and 112 million in all of the Americas.”

    http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072879130/student_view0/chapter1/where_historians_disagree.html

    Maybe you would have been better off attending your secondary school…the education is sort of free after all (yes, I know, you all pay taxes, blah, blah, blah…not as much as Europe though, cry babies)

    For you pleasure and perusal

    map of Native Indian nations in North / Central America 1500’s
    http://go.grolier.com/atlas?id=mh00100

    map of Native Indian nations in North America 1700’s
    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~prsjr/na/maps/NA_nations.jpg

    and hey Joe, good luck in learning your new national language–Spanish.


  550. Of course, Abagond, has me in moderation after I wrote Joe such an insightful letter :-)

    Sharina, I have a questions for you.

    Why do Americans say that ‘Hispanic is not a Race’?

    I’ve heard this for the past few years and I am confused, considering that the average Caribbean, Central or South American Latino is mixed race (possible combinations of 2 or 3–European, Native Indian, and African),

    Since races are made up anyway, why can’t they be termed ‘Hispanic’?
    What race should they be?

    Is this another ‘only in America’ concept since no other country practices the ‘one drop rule’ (Only USA)


  551. “But this part is worrying:

    “The reason I would home school my kids …”

    People like JOe have children.
    They really shouldn’t.”

    **************************

    @ Bulanik-

    Joe’s home schooled, or public educated, kids will likely be spewing “historical” facts like how white America – and Israel – founded Palestine, Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc and caused this newly US/Isreali remade Middle East to become a wonderful oil producing mecca that prospered and enriched the indigenous people living on only 1% of the aforementioned land.

    *eye roll*


  552. on Mon 25 Jun 2012 at 00:33:53 Jay from Philly

    Well it happened again last night. Four people dead, all Black-on-Black crime. Nobody’s has been arrested, because of “STOP SNITCHIN'”. Gotta protect those thugs at all costs. Better to have blood of your own people in the streets than have a thug face justice.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20120624_Night_of_violence_leaves_four_dead.html?c=r


  553. @Linda

    I just wanted to quickly say this. In American culture, generally speaking, there is no mixed/biracial/coloured racial classification. It was phased out about a hundred years ago. Hispanics may be a mixed race, again generally speaking, but they will most likely be classified as White, Black or Latino (meaning a sort of watered down Native).

    Also, I have seen a fair amount of Australians and New Zealanders use the one-drop rule as well.


  554. @Linda

    Hispanic isn’t a race; its a cultural inheritance, to put it simply the closest you can get to out and out race for Hispanics are the ones from Spain and they are more or less white…..

    What people refer to as a “race” for Hispanics would be Mestizo.

    Unless you want to get real hardcore about what you mean inregards to race and include all the groups such as Irish, English, French etc….as different races as well.


  555. @ Linda

    Watching “The Wiz” so sorry if it takes long for me to respond. According the American census and tab keepers Hispanic is not a race. We are always categorized by the color of our skin etc. The thing about it though is now all of a sudden the very people who made this crap up now want to separate themselves from Hispanics and make them a separate race. That is the way I see it and of course I could be wrong.

    Most Hispanics I have met see themselves as separate anyway.


  556. @ Jay for Philly

    Now that you have taken the time to research, then take the time to research black people. Blacks do not and have not ever condoned black crime no matter who the victim is. Blacks will likely shun their own to a much higher degree than most outside idiots think, especially when they commit crimes. For those that don’t speak up it is not due to not snitching as you have been so dumb enough to believe. Don’t snitch is a gang thing and it refers to gang members not snitching on other gang members.

    Blacks who usually witness crime do not speak out of fear for their life. Similar to white judges, officers, and other individuals who do not speak when Italian mobsters kill, steal, and do the like. The only difference is blacks are not offering those greedy judges, officers, etc. a cut of the profits. The blacks that committed that crime will more likely end up in jail and racist bigots like you can go on complaining about black crime rate and at the same time complain about how blacks never get caught. You people would not know your azz from a hole in the wall.

    Now go type in a search and find the churches and other black community organizations that are fighting black crime.


  557. Whoah it must be a full moon out tonight what with JOe and Jay from Philly posting. Were you on vacation Jay?


  558. “SomeGuy,
    In American culture, generally speaking, there is no mixed/biracial/coloured racial classification”

    Yes. I’m aware.

    I know the US government started using the term Hispanic in 70’s to cover anyone coming from a Spanish-speaking country, but I think by breaking them down into black or white is misleading, considering practically a new group of people were created by the bi- or tri-racial lineage that goes back many years (but due to La Raza, many people deny the Indio or African heritage)

    “Sharina@
    Most Hispanics I have met see themselves as separate anyway.”

    Linda says,

    Very true, which is why I asked my question. Most Latinos don’t buy into the whole US Hispanic vs Latino debate anyway (they will call themselves by nationality)

    but to fit into the US paradigm of race, US based Hispanic / Latinos need to be described as something, since American society likes to put everyone in racial boxes, and calling them either white or black is inaccurate based on their mixed genealogy.


  559. @Sharina

    We generally don’t talk to Jay. Answering him s waste of your good time. His main thing is to go BWE sites and try to get his rocks off. He’s just a pissant.


  560. @Linda

    I agree that we Americans have some strange ideas about race and racial classifications. At this point, I can’t tell if it’s getting better or worse.


  561. @ Linda

    I get what you are saying.

    The thing about it with me is I find it all too funny that the same people who made it such a big deal are the same people who want to undo it because it does not paint the white light for the white race. For example the Martin case. I hear all too often white “racist” screaming:

    He is not white he is Hispanic or This is the liberal media’s way of starting a race war because Zimmerman is not white.

    Yet, they forget that is it their standards of race that makes him white.


  562. I will never understand racist whites’ hatred of black people. They’re being irrational.


  563. @Leigh

    I ask that question everyday and while I have some ideas…none of them stick because I meet a new racist with a new set of views and always too stupid to count.


  564. @ Sharina:

    @Leigh

    I ask that question everyday and while I have some ideas…none of them stick because I meet a new racist with a new set of views and always too stupid to count.

    LOL! I mean, it never ceases to amaze me how racist people can hate another race simply because of the hue of their skin. It makes no sense to me whatsover.


  565. Why would you expect to understand an irrational person? By definition there is nothing there to understand.


  566. blacks, please don’t call whites evil…i bet if you were born white, you would do the same to blacks.
    you have to realise that calling them bad and blaming them is not going to make them love you or not fear you.
    White superiority is something that almost all whites have from childhood…

    you can watch the doll test on you tube to understand what i mean.

    whites think that they are the ones who are normal, nice, good,…. from childhood, they grow up with this in their mind.
    To make them understand that blacks and whites are both nice, normal, good is not easy.

    Blacks;
    Use some understanding.
    whites:
    Get rid of white superiority mentatality.

    Peace


  567. @ LEIGH.. You dont understand? Irrational? I guess you have never had the pleasure of living in a neighborhood where there was zero crime until blacks moved in and all of a sudden the crime rate skyrockets, gangs infest the streets..
    Is it an irrational fear that if your wife or daughters car breaks down in a black neighborhood they are in danger ?
    Maybe you have never had the pleasure of walking thru an all black neighborhood at night…Irrational? EVEN JESSIE JACKSON FEARS A GROUP OF YOUNG BLACK ME TO YOUNG WHITE MEN!


  568. @bob

    There really is nothing to fear…I have broken down in a black neighborhood…guess who helped me and who kept driving! I get my lottery tickets at a gas station in a place that the army declared off limits to white soldiers because they said it was the “ghetto” and white people were in danger there (same place I broke down). And guess who robs the gas station the most! In case you guessed wrong…It was a group of black men that helped me while all the white men kept driving by. And the gas station gets robbed by white men all the time.


  569. It seems there are people on here that are naive to who is committing crimes across America…so let me give you a little advice. If you live in a well off neighborhood or even a middle class neighborhood…don’t let people in your house dressed in suits or slacks and ties that are trying to sell you something. They will often offer you a free item such as 2 liter of soda, free room of carpet cleaning, can of pringles, etc. They are normally casing your house to see what they can steal and a week later your house will be broken into. It normally happens frequently around Christmas and Tax season. Also if you live in a well off or middle class neighborhood that is building new houses…the construction crews will case houses and cars and break into them. Those are all things that happen frequently where I live. I have only let one salesperson in my house after checking his legitimacy with the company and I actually purchased something from him and the whole time he was there…he was afraid…because he was in a white owned house in the south and he was black. He was very polite and I tried to make him less scared but it did not help much. He went through the whole presentation regardless of how scared he was. I even got a hand written “thank you” letter from him a few weeks later.


  570. @ Ange

    “blacks, please don’t call whites evil…i bet if you were born white, you would do the same to blacks.”—I am going to guess you are young or someone that has been brainwashed to believe that if whites do it so does every other group. If the later is true then you need to grow up and educate yourself.

    For starters blacks don’t hate whites. Most people come in here and believe that and almost all the white racist that do comment never once realize we are talking about racist and not whites in general. Most if not all of us have white friends, family, etc. So it is not this hate for white people. Most want to work with white people to come to some understanding and this is not just blacks but other people of color and a small group of white people want this is well. We all just want to be treated as individuals and not constantly be deemed “bad” simply because of the color of our skin. White racist always make up the we don’t like you because of ghettos, robberies, and crime statistics, then they forget that a lot of blacks do not live in the ghettos. A lot of blacks don’t commit crimes, a lot of blacks are not thugs etc. That is when those like us here realize it is just a mass production of excuses. They want to excuse their hate. Justify it for the masses. They practice divide and conquer to make people of color hate each other so they can continue individual racist tactics. The list could go on but for the sake of time lets stop here.

    My first instance of racism was a whites towards Asians and at the time I was too young to understand. I hated watching Asian women constantly subject themselves to white beauty standards. Was in my teen when I realize it was an issue with blacks as well.

    “To make them understand that blacks and whites are both nice, normal, good is not easy.”—I agree it is not easy, but I also realize that giving up is a cop-out. If you are a person of color do you want to be treated like crap constantly by white men and just write it off as “they were born that way.” No. No one wants that and where other groups once were silent about this; A new generation has been coming forth slowly fighting such injustices by racist whites.


  571. @ Satanforce

    Thanks for the heads up.


  572. @ Bob

    I am black and I am not afraid of neither, so y our point abut Jesse Jackson is very mute. If you want to know what a black person is thinking. Try asking a black person and stop assuming what black people think.

    Because you are the third person to do this…Why do you white people think that because you are afraid of something or because you do something then blacks must do it?

    Also to add to what Michelle just said you to. There is a place smack in the middle of the ghetto around here. White men and women will drive their nice clean fancy cars there just to get the chicken. Day or night. Not one of them are afraid to at all. It is a black runned business and they tried to put one in the upscale neighborhood (our upscale is mixed with blacks, whites, and Hispanics) but it failed because all of the whites preferred the black neighborhood restaurant.


  573. @Sharina

    Some of the best food here is in those “unsafe” places. They are family owned and not commercialized. When I worked I would go to lunch at some of these places that look like little shacks and you walk in and see businessmen in suits having meetings over lunch. That stereotype of unsafe is just that…a stereotype based off of unjustified fear. I always enjoyed those places because it added to the experience…it felt like I was stepping back in time before everything became franchised. I prefer roadside or parking lot bbq to the big name bbq restaraunts…but I have been with people that were too afraid to stop and get food. They could never give good reasons but kept claiming they were justified in their reasons. I would not go to lunch with them again. I finally got to the point of asking first before I left in someone else’s car lol.


  574. To Linda and Jay from Philly:

    The police do a stellar job at arresting black perpetrators, especially when they admit they killed someone (like Zimmerman), so that people who like statistics can throw those numbers into black Americans faces and talk about crime because the police are on top of their jobs in the black community and those black criminals get arrested.

    In general, arrest rates for reported crime are lower in predominantly Black neighborhoods.. but speaking of statistics.

    Jay from Philly mentioned the “no snitching” attitude however the US Department of Justice surveys indicate Blacks actually report crime at a slightly higher rate than Whites, which FWIW jibes with my experience with Black people that I worked with in an informal neighborhood watch.


  575. To Sharina:

    Also to add to what Michelle just said you to. There is a place smack in the middle of the ghetto around here.

    My I ask what region of the country you live and the size of your town..?
    Personally I have had few problems with Black people in smaller to medium size cities in the South.


  576. @ Uncle Milton

    I live in the south. I live really close to the border of Georgia so it is easy to cross. The town or ghetto area I was referring to is in Georgia. population as of 2007 is 8468. I will try to find something more recent.


  577. @Sharina…I live close to the border of Georgia as well…I do most everything in Georgia. The town I am referring to has a population of 189,885 as of 2010.


  578. @ Michelle

    There is this amazing Fish market and restaurant in the ghetto that has been their since I was a child. White owned and have the best seafood ever. The chicken restaurant that is black owned is always packed and oh so good. My husband went to the ghetto the other day for some bbq restaurant he found. My favorite Chinese restaurant is in the ghetto. LOL.

    I love it here and most people are very friendly. They give you so much food I usually end up with my lunch and dinner off one meal. :)


  579. @ Michelle

    My town is so small that I have no choice but to do things in Georgia. LOL. with a population of 8468 you pretty much know everybody lol. The Georgia town closet to me has a population 195,844.

    For all those that thought the south was super racist. This should show you it is not. LOL.


  580. Sharina,

    I sympathize. My town seems small and settles in a red state in the South (South Carolina).


  581. @ Brothawolf

    Wow you are in South Carolina too. LOL such a small world it is indeed.


  582. i see even in this research that they will try tokeep there lies in tact .Even when you look through out history of not just america but the world . anglo-saxons have a mind set to do nothing but kill, steal, and destroy others and their own . Do you really think that they invented such things as MATHEMATICS/ASTRONOMY / ARCHITECTURE shhh……even great cooking,lol. No but seriously the majority of the people in the world lived in the africa and the persian gulf ,but hey give them credit for the names of the continents and taking the sabbath away from our God. if you study cultures every non-european culture has a evil name for white people……(example white-devil). the fact that every thing has a begining and an end they need to ask for forgiveness to all races.


  583. @ Real TAlk

    The problem is most whites or rather white racist; do not see the real issue. They don’t like a person of color pointing out their flaws because they see themselves as perfect. The generally think most people of color make up things.

    A good example is when I went to a blog on whitewashing of films. Asians in the room were upset that asian characters were being made white. One guy was so bold as to say that yea and if I don’t agree with you all you Asians will say that I am racist. This is something I thought was only said about blacks. Which lead me to realize that anyone that does not agree with white people they assume they are A) racist or B) will assume that they are racist. This could be a result of them being called racist all the time but most white racist are so dense they don’t even realize why they are racist at all.

    Anyway I am rambling. Whites feel like they fixed something or made it better and to me there interferences have made things worse and brought about a lot of hate a distrust of whites.


  584. I don’t envy a single black person on this planet, I feel no guilt for a black person’s “plight,” nor do I feel any need to contribute to or support “reparations.”


  585. @comments

    Wanna cookie?


  586. try examining yourselves collectively as a race. Most human progress, advances in science, inventions, technology, the spread of Christianity, basically anything good in human history, was based in whole in in significant part on the efforts, industry, commitment, dedication and risk taking of people of European descent. Sorry that’s the way it is, but “it tiz what tit tiz.”


  587. @ comments

    I second that!


  588. Correction

    @ The cynic

    I second that!!!


  589. @ comments

    You need to attempt to remotely educate yourself before saying anything. It would be a shame for someone to just walk in and make you look more stupider than you managed to do on your own.


  590. @ comments

    Human progress was the result of many races not just Europeans. We can say they take the cake at stealing the most advances in science, inventions, technology etc.


  591. You have about 5-10 more years of a free ride until my generation replaces our parents. On on that point, at least we know who ours are. You’re done once you have to make it on your own. Historically, you can’t. You aren’t used to a white person getting in your face are you? “More stupider,” did you learn that one at Howard University?


  592. @ comments

    For starters I have 2 degrees to my name so this imaginary free ride you want to claim does not exist for me or my family.

    Secondly I can trace my family back several generations. O’bannons on what side of the fence and a long line of Dallas on the other. My great grandfather Dallas was actually one of the first free slaves in this area. My dear father in the manager at the company he works for. Did all that with good old hard work.

    Historically blacks can and have, but I am giving you time to get off your lazy white inbred but to look and actually see what blacks have done before I shatter your white world into pieces.

    You will be surprised what I learned. Tick Tock.


  593. @ comments

    For the record. It is always the stupid ones that talk first and read later.


  594. I don’t envy a single black person on this planet, I feel no guilt for a black person’s “plight,” nor do I feel any need to contribute to or support “reparations.”

    If we wanted to hear from an a–hole like you we’d f-rt!

    You aren’t used to a white person getting in your face are you?

    Genius, do you realize you are typing this message behind a screen? Nope, didn’t think so.

    You have about 5-10 more years of a free ride until my generation replaces our parents.

    Is that a threat or a promise? If it’s a promise, carry on!

    try examining yourselves collectively as a race.

    Take your own advice, maybe you will actually learn some thing! On second thought, probably not.

    Most human progress, advances in science, inventions, technology, the spread of Christianity, basically anything good in human history, was based in whole in in significant part on the efforts, industry, commitment, dedication and risk taking of people of European descent. Sorry that’s the way it is, but “it tiz what tit tiz.”

    You forgot Hitler, Stalin, King Leopold II….a lovely bunch, that lot, spreaders of good will like yourself!

    @Joe:

    You’re insane, carry on!


  595. @ Herneith

    Is it me or all the trolls getting a bit dumber.


  596. correction are*


  597. Gotta love those “Angry White Male” posters.Their middle-class Utopian dream ultimately resulted in a short respite from peonage. Enjoy your post-modern servitude “comments”, you’ve earned it. Good on you! Peanut butter jelly time!


  598. Sharina,

    I’ve noticed that too.

    Someguy,

    It seems comments is in a world of his own, and he thinks he’s king.


  599. @ Brothawolf

    I guess their motto must be “It is cool to say something stupid.”


  600. @ brotherwolf

    Yup, he’s a little “Tin Hitler”.

    VEE SHALL CONQUER ZEE WORLD! MUAHAHA!

    Since the Baby Boomers thinks his generation are all a bunch of slackers, maybe he’ll invent a robot to do the work for him.

    M-M-MASTER! THE ROYAL BALLS ARE CLEAN! INITIATING SHUTDOWN!

    I did notice him mention Reparations. It Seems like that word comes out of more White mouths than Black ones. Funny that.


  601. @ SomeGuy

    “I did notice him mention Reparations. It Seems like that word comes out of more White mouths than Black ones. Funny that.”—That is because most whites believe that throwing money at something fixes every problem.


  602. Sharina,

    That’s basically it.


  603. Does he know how many people died in this “spreading of Christianity “?


  604. @ B.R.

    I don’t think he does or maybe he is like most white racist who have been taught the everything good is white. The common theme with most racist seem to be little or no knowledge of pretty much anything. They live in a bubble of hate. Most of the time it is funny, but it really is sad at times too.


  605. good article, one of the best article i read on this site. to the point an true.

    but i have to say that the author did forget to mention that black people are hated on because of their physical beauty, especially our chocolate skin.


  606. @ Herneith…as always, only you can shut down trolls with your razor-sharp wit! ;)


  607. comments,

    You screamed, “try examining yourselves collectively as a race. Most human progress, advances in science, inventions, technology, the spread of Christianity, basically anything good in human history, was based in whole in in significant part on the efforts, industry, commitment, dedication and risk taking of people of European descent. Sorry that’s the way it is, but “it tiz what tit tiz.”

    It’s so funny when you racists or race realists or whatever you call yourselves try to mock ebonics to make fun of a group.

    Anyway, first off, why not try and follow your own advice, and not just do it to find out how great you THINK you are. Why not examine your shortcomings, faults, and sins, unless you’re crazy enough to think white people are better than Jesus.

    And as I recall, there were a lot of deaths during the spread of Christianity. So much for faith, huh?

    Then you rant saying, “You have about 5-10 more years of a free ride until my generation replaces our parents. On on that point, at least we know who ours are. You’re done once you have to make it on your own. Historically, you can’t. You aren’t used to a white person getting in your face are you? “More stupider,” did you learn that one at Howard University?”

    The white racist mindset (WRM) is poisonous on so many levels.

    What is this “free ride” you’re talking about? (I bet he’ll say affirmative action and welfare if he does respond).

    As far as making it on your own, historically speaking, your people didn’t and apparently couldn’t. You need us to look after your children, tend to your crops, build your houses, cook for you, clean for you, etc. etc. while your ancestors hardly did anything that required lifting a finger. So, in a way you need us WAY more than we need you.

    If whites were all that, they would’ve done all that I’ve mentioned and more ON THEIR OWN. So, tell me again, who can’t make it on their own?

    I’m waiting.


  608. Man, what the hell is wrong with these people? lol


  609. @ Brothawolf

    I ask myself the same thing every time one of them comments. I have to wonder if our educational system is so screwed up that they actually believe that whites have really made all the advancements they believe. Do they not know about Benjamin Banneker, Granville Woods, or William Purvis?


  610. Wow! I ran across this site by accident. I was amazed at the level of anger and hatred here. I realize that a lot of it may be justified as I do not know your situation.
    I am a white, Canadian female.There are good and bad in any race. I do not believe blacks are criminals, dumbers etc than whites.
    Race should not be a consideratiojn in the worth of an individual. Integrity, hard work, honesty, etc make up the worth of someone. There are many fine black leaders in the world, just as there are many good white leaders.
    Our children should be raised side by side, equal in every opportunity and right.
    Many whites, myself included have a high regard or low regard for people based on the individual. It is a little unrealistic and harsh to lump all whites or blacks together. It is racial discrimination either way.


  611. @ Ruth

    It is actually not about all whites, so no need to get all hyped up. It is actually referring to whites that act that way. It becomes tiring constantly putting “racist” whites in front of whites all the time so some people don’t do it and just put whites, but it is not referring to them all as some in here have white friends and family members.


  612. @ Sharina…believe it or not, there are many white Americans who have never heard of those men or any of the other successful Black people throughout history besides MLK.

    My husband had never heard of Dr. Charles Drew until I told him. I chalk it up to a lack of exposure in many cases. It seems that most white people don’t have to know much about Black history, but we have to learn all about theirs in school for the most part.


  613. @Cinnamondiva

    I honestly feel that this lack of information is what causes the issues between blacks and whites. So many whites believe strongly that only whites have done things and accomplished things. It is sad but I think if the schools started teaching facts then this would possibly resolve a lot of issues.


  614. @ Ruth Kirby…I’m not sure who you think is being angry and hateful, but it seems your view is a bit simplistic and naive. I don’t mean that as a personal attack, so please don’t be offended.

    I am a woman of mixed race (black and white). My husband is white. And as Sharina pointed out, many of the other people of color on this website also have white friends and family members. But we tend to distinguish racist whites from the white people who take the time to understand where we’re coming from.

    As a Canadian, your perspective on racial issues might be slightly different from those of us in the United States. Racism is a problem in Canada as well, but most of us are talking about racism from our perspectives as people of color in America or the UK or wherever. And as a white woman, you might not understand what people of color have to deal with very often with regard to racial discrimination, among other issues.

    I agree with all of your statement about how there is good and bad in every race. I agree with the notion that race should not be a consideration in a person’s worth. It is wonderfully idealistic to see the world that way. But unfortunately, that isn’t reality. An honest character and a good work ethic are fine things to have and they will help a person to succeed…but skin color matters. Race matters.

    It shouldn’t, but it does. This is something many of us learn as children. As long as people continue to judge one another for superficial reasons, race will always be an issue. It is that elephant in the room which will never disappear. And while I don’t agree with those that insist on bashing all white people or declaring that all white people are evil racists, the truth is that many people have had painful experiences with white folks and it left them feeling like they can’t trust most white people.

    It sounds like you’re hinting at “reverse racism” with your last comment. The truth is that yes, some people of color are very angry and hurt and they have every right to be. No, it is not an excuse to be hateful and cruel…but you can’t expect people to be lovey-dovey when it comes to a subject like racism either. It is something that runs very deep, especially in America.

    I hope I wasn’t too harsh. I simply wanted to share my thoughts on what you had to say.


  615. Sorry to hear the plight of black people in America. The reality is that, thank god most black people live in Africa and the Carribean. Therefore they do not have to suffer from white man racism. We are the lucky ones.


  616. LMAO at Joe. Paraphrased from his statement:”If (white) America would just give black Americans trillions of dollars and send them back to Africa, america would be a better place!”

    Really, really? He didn’t see anything amiss with sending (literally) tens of millions of educated black people with (if they didn’t have them before, they’d surely have them *now*) chips on their shoulders and trillions of dollars in free cash, back to Africa? There are tens of thousands of university-trained black doctors, financial analysts, engineers, scientists, etc., living in Africa right now (who, in concert with the native degree holders, are doing their damndest to “modernise” countries such as Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya and South Africa/Namibia among others.) Does it even make a lick of sense, to you, to send *even more* educated black people to the continent (where the very first thing that will pop into their heads is, “If we have to live here now, why the f*ck are we sending millions of tons of steal to Asia and Europe when we don’t have steel reinforced buildings of our own?”) I’m not even exaggerating on that point, as I have a cousin (engineer, retired) who spends six months out of every year teaching classes on modern metallurgy to students in central African countries (Nigeria is his personal favorite, but he’s visited the CAR and Rwanda as well.) Do you honestly think that your life will be *better* when politically adept black Americans start wandering through the continent and telling various Africans that, “This is what you’re fighting about, the right to be rejected by Americans and Europeans and Asians as soon as you become inconvenient. They won’t come here to fight us for fear of losing too many soldiers. They won’t use nuclear weapons against us for fear of losing our materials, our gold and our oil and our iron. We’re selling these things to non-Africans for pennies on the dollar, so that they can make their countries beautiful for even their poorest people as our “rich” people have to lead us into slavery and genocide to afford houses make of concrete. *Why* are we doing this to each other?”

    For reference, the above spiel was essentially said word for word by a Sudanese immigrant/refugee, who I met in my travels. He told me that his revelation re: non-African exploitation of African resources began on the day that he decided to get married. Prior to emigrating to Europe, he had worked for a decade in a Botswana gold mine (remember, refugees travel very far) and was paid about $5/ounce of mined gold (whether in dust or flakes) and $10/finger segment-sized nugget. When he worked the mine, he thought that he was being paid *well* (as there were mines within a day’s walk where the miners would be paid 1/2-1/5th of their salaries.) So, having an intimate relationship with gold measures, he assumed that a set of four wedding bands would cost him €100-150 at most (if fees for smelting and transport were included, plus a 100% markup for profit.). He walked into a jewelry store, picked out the richest/smallest bands available and asked the price. The jeweler told him €750. When he heard the cost, he remembered that the local black market/undercover gold melter (a family who would turn “stolen” gold into discreet bars) would only charge 50% of the amount of smuggled gold. The rings, rings that he could have bought for about $100 American in Botswana, were marked up by close to 1000%. On that day, he thought to himself, “If I, a man who didn’t learn to *read* until I was old enough to drink legally, could see that there was something wrong with the dealings here, then surely all of the black Americans who worked in the offices at my janitor’s job would figure it out *if they were forced to live the life that I had lived*.” He took another pull from his Stübbi and added, “If we, as black people, made the other people pay us the same way as they pay each other, we wouldn’t have all of the problems that we have. Instead, we spend our time talking about how much we don’t need or care about non-Africans with our mouths, while chasing them with our minds. Everything the European has, he puts online. We could make our own solar panels, our own factories, our own cars. We have the means at our fingertips, but we would rather chase a name brand and cosy up to the same people who treat us like dirt than to do things for ourselves.” Then he finished his beer and left…


  617. on Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 10:01:20 David Bagadev

    Oh my word… black people attempting to ‘work white people out’ makes for some great comedy. Where do I even begin…

    Well, how about I begin with the person who said ‘I truly believe Europeans will never join the global community’. Sorry, what? The only countries I can think of off the top of my head that have not ‘joined the global community’ are North Korea, Saudi Arabia & Iran (and I’m sure a few others, although it depends how you define ‘joining the global community’). North Korea in particular, is an isolationist state. Name some European countries that are isolationist… go on.

    If white people are so racist, why have they allowed mass non-white immigration into Western Europe for the past 50 years (particularly for the past 15 years)? Someone, please explain that to me.

    If white supremacists run the USA, why then in 1999 did NATO decide to bomb Yugoslavia, killing over 2000 innocent white people? I guarantee no one who reads what I just said knows ANYTHING about the decimation of Yugoslavia in 1999, at the hands of NATO.

    If white people are so evil, why are Africans literally risking their lives attempting to cross the Mediterranean on little wooden crafts, just so they can make it into Europe? They seek refuge amongst white people, so if white people are so evil, why do Africans choose Europe to seek refuge in, and not other African countries, or Arab/Asian countries for that matter?

    If white people are so evil, why do blacks always move into white neighbourhoods? Blacks move into white neighbourhoods, then the area goes downhill and whites start to move out. You never see white people moving into black neighbourhoods, only the other way around.

    If whites are so evil, why is this happening? If white people are so racist, why are they so generous when giving to charities which are collecting for BLACK people in desperate need of food & water when there’s a drought/famine in Africa?

    So many good questions… and all you’re going to do is either ignore them or say I’m talking bullshit. Haha… love it! XD

    Now, to prove you’re all REALLY against slavery, and not just a bunch of racists trying to justify their hatred of whites, I need to ask you – have you ever spoke of the history of the Arabs, and their enslavement of black Africans which was occurring ONE THOUSAND YEARS before the Atlantic slave trade was established? In all, the Arab enslavement of black Africans lasted over 1300 years. Do you have anything to say about that? Google ‘Arab enslavement black Africans’ to DESTROY your ignorance, racists.

    And now, current events – The enslavement of black Africans in Mauritania, at the hands of Berbers. What are YOU all doing to stop it? Don’t answer, I know what you’re doing… NOTHING. You’d rather moan & whine about white folk, post up some pictures of Malcolm X & other black revolutionaries on your blogs. LOL! How pathetic! You’ve all been exposed. You either know about the enslavement of blacks at the hands of Berbers today, and you’re doing nothing to stop it… or you’re unaware of it – either way, you’re all fake, because you aren’t even aware of current African issues (or just don’t care) – SLAVERY being the most pressing one – wouldn’t you agree? Are you helping your ‘brothers & sisters’ out in Africa who are currently enslaved by Berbers? Are you attempting to break the mental & physical chains that keep them in bondage? What are YOU doing? N – O – T – H – I – N – G.

    The truth is, many whites don’t like blacks simply because of the way you ACT. You are loud, obnoxious, rude, arrogant, ignorant, aggressive… so basically, just plain unpleasant. I DO NOT want to live amongst you – but growing up in London, I was FORCED to.

    Blacks make up just 10% of London’s population, yet are responsible for over 70% of London’s street crime.

    Out of all violent crimes between blacks & whites (in the USA), 90% of the time, WHITES are the victim. So, say there’s 1 million violent crimes committed between blacks & whites (against each other) – this means that 900,000 of these violent crimes involves a WHITE person, and a BLACK perpetrator.

    And your own ‘culture’ (rap) outright glamorizes crime. That’s the stereotype YOU have created for yourself – not whites – YOU. Don’t like it? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. DESTROY IT.

    Start raising your bastard children, instead of letting them run around, free-will.

    Black males (I can’t call them ‘men’), stop being such COWARDS and start taking responsibility & learn how to raise your fucking BASTARD children, so they don’t end up living a life of crime, which only reinforces the ‘black thug’ stereotype that your beloved hero 2 Pac (and all the other black rappers) was so keen on.

    Now remember, black folk – if white people are so evil, why are blacks moving into white neighbourhoods & seeking REFUGE in European countries? Always keep this in mind, because it utterly obliterates ALL your arguments about how whites are oh so evil and racist and nasty and mean… boo hoo.

    I did have to smile though when blacks ran to white people for help when the earthquake hit Haiti… and when Katrina struck NOLA… and whenever there’s a drought/famine in Africa… it’s always the white man to the rescue. ALWAYS.

    So no, there’s nothing wrong with white people – there’s things wrong with individual white people, because they have individual problems, but there’s nothing wrong with white people as a race.

    Remember now black folk, if white people are so racist, why are Africans literally risking their lives attempting to cross the Mediterranean on little wooden crafts, just so they can make it into Europe? They seek refuge amongst white people, so if white people are so evil, why do Africans choose Europe to seek refuge in, and not other African countries, or Arab/Asian countries for that matter? Haha, I sure love making this point, because everyone I make it to is left completely speechless. :-D

    So black folk, you get back to talking about how wonderful your skin is, how you were the first people on the planet (hmmm… surely if you were the ‘first people’ on this planet, you would be the most advanced, no? LMAO), how whites hate you because they’re jealous… and a bunch of other stuff, to make yourselves feel better.

    As we see, Africa is a cesspit. Everything good that it has today, is due to Europeans – the entire infrastructure was built by Europeans. The Kariba Dam & Manyuchi Dam in Zimbabwe… thanks to white engineers. Just two examples… that must hurt Mugabe so much. So much for his ‘black pride’ LMAO!

    If you want reparations, go take a walk to the ELITE of the countries that participated in slavery. Also bear in mind that whilst the Atlantic slave trade was established, white people in Western Europe were virtual slaves themselves – they did NOT benefit from slavery, only the elite did.

    And I take it you’ll also go to the Arabs for reparations from them too, yes? Seeing as they enslaved blacks for 1000 years longer than the white man did, I would have thought your focus would be more on them… but me making that point is just another way of exposing your hatred of whites (whine about white enslavement of blacks, but never say a word about Arab enslavement of blacks, or the current Berber enslavement of blacks in Mauritania).

    Keep in mind too that the Irish, Greeks, Lithuanians, Romanians, Russians, Finnish, Icelanders, Polish, Norwegians, Serbs, Austrians, Estonians, Slovakians, Czechs etc etc never had anything to do with slavery (so you’ll have to find another reason to hate those white people lol).

    You can also save the arguments about genocide & slavery that ‘white people’ are responsible for – genocides & slavery have ONLY ever been carried out by the ELITE of nations – so blame THEM. Should Estonians be blamed for the genocide of Native Americans & slavery of black Africans? Exactly, you dopey fools.

    I’ve learned plenty about black folk over the years, but one of the things that really stands out about them – they find it virtually impossible to take advice/learn. They are also unable to view things from other peoples’ perspectives, and are unable to question themselves & ask the question ‘maybe it’s me that’s wrong?’.

    White people don’t hate non-whites – if they did, they wouldn’t be welcoming so many of them into Europe. There are some who do, but the vast majority don’t. You cannot look at the actions of the elite, then blame all white people based on that. The elite do not care about ANYONE (other than themselves) – white, black, Asian, Muslim, Christian, Hindu… NO ONE.

    There really is so much more to say on this subject, but I can’t sit here all day, destroying you racist dummies. I’ve done a damn good job though, in a short period of time. Hehe…

    This was fun.

    Have a nice day. :-)


  618. You wasted a lot of print saying a lot of ridiculas lies…I cant even begin..Europeans decimated Africa, read this blog and all the information is here….whites created white flight and black American ghettos, this is a fact, why are you writing fiction…your whole post is fiction..your arguments have already been addressed and destoyed on this blog many times over, I suggest you read more and get educated


  619. @ David Bagadev

    1.

    I guarantee no one who reads what I just said knows ANYTHING about the decimation of Yugoslavia in 1999, at the hands of NATO.

    One of my commenters lived through the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia and knows more about it than you ever will.

    2. This thread is about WHY WHITES hate or demonize or look down on BLACKS. Many of the other things you talked about we have heard a zillion times before. They are standard scripted defences used by white racists. Go here if you want to pursue them further:

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/broken-record-dept/

    3. I’ve learned plenty about white folk over the years, but one of the things that really stands out about them – they find it virtually impossible to take advice/learn. They are also unable to view things from other peoples’ perspectives, and are unable to question themselves & ask the question “maybe it’s me that’s wrong?”. Blacks, on the other hand, hear the white perspective ALL THE DAMN TIME – and way too many believe too much of it.


  620. Don’t bother with this apparent A.W.M. (Angry White Male). I doubt we’ll hear from David again. He’s the type to take a dump, don’t flush and let other people deal with it.


  621. @ Abagond:

    Hope you don’t mind this being a little off topic but reading this guy’s post prompted me to tell you something. I just finished reading a book called The Psychopathic Racial Personality by Bobby E Wright.

    Even though the book is small, it’s compact and gets right to the point. I always wondered why whites do and say the things they say. But Dr. Wright explains it to a tee.

    White people, in simple terms, are mentally sick. Sicker than we realize. And the scary part about them is they have no clue how diseased they are…they raise their kids in that sickness and the kids continue the vicious cycle.

    I recommend it. Just a quick thought.


  622. @ truthbetold

    I am so glad you brought that up because I was generally thinking along the lines that white people have some issues. I don’t want to go into detail on my experience in here as it would be off topic.


  623. @ Sharina

    Ok…open thread then?


  624. No, blacks cause 80% of crime in the United States. Being white is being ‘wrong’ according to the media.

    Some just believe blacks are nasty.

    Some love their race, and have pride.

    Most gays are black.

    Blacks have lower average IQ scores than that of a white.

    Just a few examples. ( Not racist if factual! )


  625. Important fact, this Teddy is not THAT ^ Teddy.


  626. @ Teddy (the illegitimate one)

    Most of what you said is not factual, but your ignorant opinion. How do you know what most gays are? Most public white figures are in the closet gays that are married to women.

    I guess we are going to ignore the recent crime by a white guy or better yet the recent string of crimes by whites. Oh yes whites like you always do because if they didn’t then they would not have anything to rag on blacks about.

    Actually in a matter of seconds I just proved my IQ is higher than yours so that throws the blacks have lower IQ’s out the window.

    In short you have managed to be yet another great specimen for this post. See only racist, insecure, whites like you actually believe the crap the media or other racist tell them.


  627. Thank you for the opinion. Interesting point of view. Racism is big in America for sure. Personally I came here from a different country where we have no black people at all and I had absolutely no racist attitude against any race at all. If anything I was more fascinated to find out about other people who didn’t look like me. The most disappointing thing was to find out that a lot of black people are very ignorant, lazy and the biggest racists themselves. It’s just a shame the way you guys think you should act like that just because of the past. I’m Russian and in my country slavery ended after it ended in the US and the slaves were white. reparations are just a joke. Most of yous are already receiving welfare and disability. There is some black people that are respectful but most of you give a very very bad impression and not because of the color. Think about it.


  628. @ Birdie

    What you are saying is based on stereotype and confirmation bias – or, at best, unfortunate experiences. I know because for one thing most blacks are not on welfare or disability. It is a matter of public record.

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/08/03/confirmation-bias/


  629. No, my opinion is truly unbiased. Like I said I’m an outsider, somebody who didn’t grow up in the USA, somebody who came here as a blank page, without an opinion or any idea about stereotyping. Let me tell you, I had lots and lots and lots of bad experience with black folks. And I actually have some black acquaintances that I like very much but I don’t even consider them black because they don’t have this attitude that a lot of black people have. And you, guys, hate us a lot more than we do, it’s just true.


  630. Its true in your little world, Birdie, I just traveled to the states, randomly called a video company for a shoot, the owner happnes to be black, I didnt know it, got great business, and over all didnt have any problems with any black Americans, only good business, and, got some great help when I needed it from black Americans , one guy went out of his way to help me out with a problem I had, and I super aprecieted it…

    I think you only are referencing only your experiances which isnt in any way the whole truth


  631. @ Birdie

    It’s funny how you imply that since you come from Russia, you have no racial bias; as if Russia was free from such concerns. Really? Is that why antisemitism has a stronghold of millions in your country? Is that why there are dozens of Neo-Nazi paramilitary groups in Russia? Is that why there is anti-Islam sentiment and mosques are popping up all over Russia? Really, you have no racial bias, because there are no “Black” people in your country? You, my friend, are no unbiased witness.

    And since Russia is practically one gigantic ghetto, perhaps you should worry about your own people instead of googling Black blogs such as this one. Glass houses and all.


  632. @ Birdie

    For someone who is not biased you just managed to spout every ignorant thing a biased could say. A true unbiased individual would look and interact with people on an individual basis and not generalize them based on skin color.


  633. So wait, you just said “anti-Islam sentiment and mosques are popping up all over Russia”. You just contradicted yourself on that part. If there was an “anti-Islam sentiment” why would mosques pop up everywhere? We have a lot of Muslims and we get along very well. I dated a Muslim guy for 3 years and 50% of my friends are Muslim. I’m completely clueless where you got that information.
    Actually talking about Muslim. I always wondered why all of a sudden young black people decided that they want to become Muslim? This is just out of curiosity honestly. I mean I know quite a few that come from a very Christian background but turn into “Muslims” even though they don’t follow the religion at all? Maybe someone could just explain it?


  634. Just a little article I found:

    Russia is another nation experiencing an upsurge in racism and anti-Islamic sentiments. A number of neo-Nazi groups have sprung up in recent years, the most extreme of which have attacked and killed foreigners and immigrants from Chechnya, Tajikstan, and Caucasian nations that were once part of the USSR.

    This past July, Amnesty International reported that racially-motivated violence remained a serious problem in Russia. The AI report said that, according to data from the SOVA Centre for Information and Analysis, 37 people died as a result of hate crimes during 2010. The authors wrote:

    “In April, Moscow judge Eduard Chuvashov was killed, reportedly by members of a far-right group, after he had sentenced several perpetrators of hate crimes to long-term imprisonment. In October, 22-year-old Vasilii Krivets was sentenced to life imprisonment for the murder of 15 people of non-Slavic appearance. The extent of the problem was brought into sharp focus shortly before the AI report was published when five members of one of Russia’s most vicious neo-Nazi gangs were jailed for committing 27 murders. They belonged to the Nationalist Socialist Society North and were handed life sentences at Moscow City Court. The string of killings included the videotaped decapitation of one of their own gang members.”

    During the trial, the court heard how the gang targeted dark-skinned victims. They were also convicted of decapitating one of their own whom they suspected of being a police informant and stealing money from the gang’s funds. The decapitation, during which they donned clown masks and sang a patriotic song, was videotaped and posted online. Following the case, a group of nationalists announced a coalition with Russia’s third-largest political party, the Liberal Democrat Party, which is committed to protecting Russian people and their interests.


  635. @ Birdie

    I don’t know where you live that you claim to know all black people, but there are blacks that were born and raised Muslims. Just as some blacks were raised christian. In the case of my cousin he actually spent a lot of time around black Muslim men and in turn ended up learning their ways and becoming one but since you claim to know blacks so well it is beyond me why you could not figure that much out.

    ” I mean I know quite a few that come from a very Christian background but turn into “Muslims” even though they don’t follow the religion at all?”—It is funny how you claim this but also make the claim that most black people are bad etc. How would you really know anything about them if they are just these hateful nasty people that you so claim them to be. Would their other family and friends not influence them to be the same if your claim was so true?

    Be careful…We would not want you contradicting yourself.


  636. @ Sharina:

    Well, a little birdie told me that Birdie is full of it.


  637. @ Leigh

    She is full of something, but I am giving her enough rope to hang herself because they always do.


  638. “I mean I know quite a few that come from a very Christian background but turn into “Muslims” even though they don’t follow the religion at all? Maybe someone could just explain it?”

    – – –

    Why not ask the “quite a few” that you profess to know to explain to you why they, as you phrased it, “turn into ‘Muslims’ even though they don’t follow the religion at all”?


  639. White love to ask stupid why do Black people…?” type questions.
    Well, here’s a stupid “why do white people…? type question:

    Why do so many white men apparently think it looks good to pull their hair into a point on the top of their heads?


  640. One black guy that turned into “Muslim” is my friend’s sister’s husband. All of a sudden he doesn’t eat pork and grew a beard. And that’s about it for him when it comes to Islam. some other ones are my boyfriend’s childhood friends that are pretty much the same. It’s just very funny how they make sure to walk around telling everybody that they are “Muslim” and act like they are better people because of that. I love how everybody on here acts like they don’t know what I’m talking about.


  641. Birdie, black Americans have been looking towards Islam since the early 50’s.Many black artists and intellectuals were tired of the hypocracy they were facing in a racist white society and expored other posibilities. Many jazz musicians, Americas treasure as far as culture is concerned, were in the vanguard of making this desician to convert to Islam.

    You also had a more specific sect, the Nation of Islam, who were more radicle in their concepts, at first, saying all white people were devils. But , they arnt the same as a black American making a conversion to Islam.


  642. @ Birdie

    Either you can’t read or you are too dumb to understand what you are reading. I even gave you a great example at that and you still seem to be in space.

    White teens are claiming to be Muslim too in some areas so it is not black exclusive, but since the focus is on blacks (which you clearly know nothing about) let me repeat what I originally said “In the case of my cousin he actually spent a lot of time around black Muslim men and in turn ended up learning their ways and becoming one,” This happens and clearly it has happened in the case you keep talking about, but it is not ALL blacks teens as you keep claiming.You don’t know all black teens hell you only know a handful of black people and it is only due to the relationship with your boyfriend.

    Most blacks that do convert actually are converted by full fledged black Muslims.


  643. One black guy that turned into “Muslim” is my friend’s sister’s husband. All of a sudden he doesn’t eat pork and grew a beard. And that’s about it for him when it comes to Islam. some other ones are my boyfriend’s childhood friends that are pretty much the same. It’s just very funny how they make sure to walk around telling everybody that they are “Muslim” and act like they are better people because of that. I love how everybody on here acts like they don’t know what I’m talking about.

    So, from a single person you classify a whole group? How many White women start doing yoga and taking about reincarnation? A small minority? But you never hear people say, “What’s with White women and the New Age movement??”

    Some people use their religion as a badge, it’s not a Black or White thing; it’s a Human thing. Do you know how many White Mormons come knocking on my door trying to convert me? What’s up with White people trying to convert everybody??

    See how that works.


  644. “It is white people who have a deep crack in their souls.

    I know that sounds extreme – partly because we have “white is right” pounded into our heads night and day – but their history shows that there is something seriously wrong with them.”

    Genocide, mass murder, mass rape, torture, enslavement, totalitarianism…they have all been done by Asians.

    Have Asians got a deep crack in their souls too?

    Africans have also showed an ability to do those things in the right circumstances and have done most or all of those things.

    No race has a monopoly on immoral behaviour.

    But to say that an individual white person living in America or Britain today has a deep crack in their soul because they were born with white skin is horribly racist and ignorant.

    It seems that your reaction to the racism that black people have received has been to become racist yourself. its just as ugly and wrong.


  645. @ Steve

    Let me ask you something. Do you put down other racial groups to make you feel better or superior? If the answer to this is no then you are not the type of white person this post is referring to. Now if your answer is yes then this is exactly talking to you.

    I urge you to please try to read beyond the words because so often people read the post and have no clue what it is talking about and go on with long posts only to find out later they were wrong and this post was not what they thought.


  646. @Sharina

    He made a clear statement. WHITES have a deep crack in THEIR souls. THEIR history show that there is something seriously wrong with THEM. That is definitely a general statement about white people, not certain white people. I don’t see what difference context makes to that statement. Sorry if I am not subtle enough to understand it properly.

    And as for your first question, no, I definitely don’t do that. I’m not proud of being white. i’d happily be something else. In fact, I’d happily be any race as long as I was good looking lol. Maybe I will be black in my next life, eh? If my cracked soul can get into a black body.


  647. @ Steve

    See if you are not like that then the truth of the matter is this does not apply to you. It really is meant for whites that are so far gone their is really no other way to think of them. Most people that are regular on this blog tend to realize that it refers to the racist whites and not all whites.I think at times some see it as a hassell to put racist whites in front of everything.

    I know a lot of good white people that I do not believe they fit into this category at all. They are like family. They do not and would never put another race down because they are strong and secure in themselves. Enough so to see the beauty in all races. When I read this I don’t think of them, because immediately a racist white comes to mind.

    I could be wrong in what I think and believe the blog is about, but I truly do not believe it is referring to all whites. You can always ask Abagond for clarity.


  648. @Sharina

    He/she wrote it like it was about all whites. I’m sure he/she will see this. He/she can clarify it if he/she wishes.

    thanks.


  649. @ Steve

    Sharina has it right. If you want to pull sentences out of context and condemn me a racist, do it by all means and show everyone what kind of dick you are. OR if you want to UNDERSTAND what I am saying, then maybe you can read the WHOLE post and not pick it apart like that.

    First sentence:

    “Why do many White Americans hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks? “

    That sets the scope for the post – it is about the MANY WHITE AMERICANS who demonize, fear and look down on blacks. I am NOT going to put “THE MANY WHITE PEOPLE WHO BLAH BLAH” at the beginning of each sentence just to stop assholes from pulling me out of context. People like that will twist my words some other way. I am not writing for white racist assholes in any case. They have NO desire to understand what I am saying. They just want to play games and not get to what’s real. I am writing for people with some damn sense who read at least at an eighth grade level.

    More:
    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/the-not-all-whites-argument/


  650. @ Steve

    In rereading this post I ran across two key wordings.

    “There are plenty of things that keep white racist thinking in place:” and “Not even material self-interest. After all, plenty of poor whites are racist.” These two statements are indicators that the issue is not all whites but white racist.


  651. btw is it not also a little ridiculous to write about black people as if they are one person and white people as if they are one person?

    “There is absolutely nothing wrong with black people other than the bad patch of history they are going through, its side effects and the ordinary human failings.”

    erm….there is something deeply wrong with some black people. The psychopaths, child rapists etc. Other’s are saints and wonderful human beings. A race is composed of individuals.

    There’s a bit of a difference between Idi Amin and Martin Luther King.

    But no…there’s nothing wrong with black people! They’re just going through a bad patch.

    As if they share a soul.

    WTF excessive group think.


  652. Like I said.


  653. @ Sharina

    being racist isn’t the only way to have a cracked soul. Agabond will have to clarify. His/her statement was clear enough.


  654. @Steve

    He did. If you actually read his post and his comment you’d have got it by now.
    Missing the ‘many’ in the race-related posts seems to be endemic.


  655. @ Steve

    It is not about other ways to have a cracked souls. It is about White racist individuals that do have cracked souls. It about the characteristics of a white racist individual from stand points of blacks and whites (not all blacks in room) individuals that have encountered white racist and their racism.


  656. Steve,

    You said, “btw is it not also a little ridiculous to write about black people as if they are one person and white people as if they are one person?”

    Here’s the overview: Whites view black people as one entity particularly when it comes to crime and violence. Black people who engaged in bad behavior are representatives to the entire group. Therefore, being black is the same as being violent and criminal in the minds of many whites.

    And this society in one way or another is obsessed with what is known as the ‘criminal black man’ image. White racists and so-called race realists are highly obsessed. If you doubt me, take a look around the web. Check out news articles. Go to youtube.com. It’s everywhere.

    However, no one, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE must judge whites the same way UNLESS you’re talking about their endless list of accomplishments and achievements. Then, AND ONLY THEN, are they to be seen as a race of supreme human beings.

    See the double standard? If not, you are completely lost.

    Then you mentioned, “He made a clear statement. WHITES have a deep crack in THEIR souls. THEIR history show that there is something seriously wrong with THEM. That is definitely a general statement about white people, not certain white people. I don’t see what difference context makes to that statement. Sorry if I am not subtle enough to understand it properly.”

    You see whenever white people make similar or more derogatory statements – and they have – they usually mean most or all black people. In their minds there are no good black people unless they serve them or if they are dead.

    Basically Steve, this is a case of do unto others as they have done unto you. In other words if white people talk about black people as they do, why can’t the reverse be expected and understood?


  657. ^^^ Right. Genocide or slavery? Everyone does it. Inventions? Only the white ones matter and prove that whites are a cut above everyone else.

    White racism is like that in general: notice the good that whites do and the bad that blacks do while overlooking the bad that whites do and the good that blacks do. Throw in confirmation bias and there you go!


  658. @ Steve

    To put you out of your misery, I think MOST White Americans are racist and to the degree that they are racist, they are damaged.

    I ALSO think blacks are damaged too by racism, but in a different way: externally through racist police, courts, employers, landlords, estate agents, etc, and internally through believing what white racism says about blacks and all the side effects of that, like self-destructive behaviour.

    For whites to get where they are they needed to dehumanize black and native Americans and, to a lesser degree, Latino and Asian Americans (and in earlier times, Irish, Jewish and Italian Americans). They did not get off clean. They could not go through that without having a damaged sense of THEIR OWN humanity. In fact, the damage is more profound because that is where it started. The crack in their soul.

    Suggested reading:

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/john-trudell-when-columbus-got-off-the-boat/

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/12/30/how-to-become-white/

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/05/26/can-white-americans-be-unracist/

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/09/30/white-is-right/


  659. on Mon 30 Jul 2012 at 05:33:13 duckduckgoofs

    @ abag To put you out of your misery, I think MOST White Americans are racist and to the degree that they are racist, they are damaged.

    And yet most interracial crime is committed by blacks.


  660. @ Duck

    How does that have anything to do with what I just said? I mean, other than as a classic white racist derailment. Is that the best you can do?


  661. Agree that that statement is a pure derailment, and has nothing to do with the point you were trying to make.


  662. on Mon 30 Jul 2012 at 06:24:24 duckduckgoofs

    @ abag “How does that have anything to do with what I just said? I mean, other than as a classic white racist derailment. Is that the best you can do?”

    It has everything to do with what you said. The black propensity for violent interracial crime demonstrates black racism. But you can hide behind calling it a “white racist derailment” if you like.


  663. “White racism is like that in general: notice the good that whites do and the bad that blacks do while overlooking the bad that whites do and the good that blacks do. Throw in confirmation bias and there you go!”

    Yup. And when black accomplishments cannot be ignored they’re “deracialized”. For example, we all know about black crime but Jazz is AMERICAN as are the sprinting accomplishments on the track. There was a youtube video with an African musician (Ali Farka Toure, I think) who was talking with an African-American about the African influence in Blues music. In trots someone who starts to say in the comments that he is a racist because everyone is an INDIVIDUAL! At the time, I was floored by the ignorance. It is OK to explain white Amercan culture with pilgrims and European immigrants but an African talking about cultural links to black America is being racist!

    The white supremacist attitude towards POC is appropriative and vampiric. Nothing must remain with their victims: no dignity, no history, no accomplishments. Suck the blood, digest it, and leave a corpse into which to excrete fears and hatreds. So be worked for centuries and get called lazy. Get raped by white slave masters but the men of your race are sexually predatory brutes. Get almost wiped off a continent by visitors but they’re not savage you are. African art is primitive; mimic it via cubism. Pigmented skin is ugly; spray on tans. Thick lips are ugly; get collagen injections. Appropriative and vampiric. Extractive and destructive. Parasitic.

    Note that I’m not here making an argument against cultural exchange. That is not what occurs here. Possessions (cultural or material) are depicted as valueless when held by POCs but they are subsequently taken and reworked by white people and declared valuable. Furthermore, after perpetrating injustices against POC white racism confers nobility on itself and villainy on the victims. This demonization is necessary since POC must be made to retroactively “deserve” the crimes committed against them. Here’s a modern microcosm of a modus operandus spanning both centuries of time and continental geography: George Zimmerman and his police accomplices versus Trayvon Martin, the skittles-shooting “thug”.

    So I agree with quite a few of your points here. Being white (not having fair skin or having European ancestors, but being “white”) is almost like being a member of a cult. “White is right”. To come out, one has to accept that they once believed falsehoods and risk ostracism from former members. The term “white lies”, meaning diplomatically expedient unthruths, is surprisingly appropriate in both meaning and imagery. I guess sometimes the truth will out!


  664. “black propensity for violent interracial crime”
    LMAO, I’m going to go back to do some other work now. :P


  665. lol@Jefe
    Thick, thick, thick irony.


  666. duck,

    I am seriously considering going back to calling you ‘goofs’ because you’re getting more and more goofier by each response.

    You mentioned the same old tired line mentioned thousands of times by other white posters and trolls that most interracial crime is committed by blacks. When Abagond questioned it’s validity to this post you replied,

    “It has everything to do with what you said. The black propensity for violent interracial crime demonstrates black racism. But you can hide behind calling it a “white racist derailment” if you like.

    I’m going to go out on a limb and say that you made that comment to excuse white people hating and fearing black people which answers the title question. In other words if black people didn’t create so much crime and violence against whites, then whites would not hate and fear them so much.

    *Sighs!*

    As usual, the historical and societal contexts are completely left out to support your thinking, duck. In your mind white people have done absolutely nothing wrong to black people or any non-white ever or so it would seem from your constant need to make people of color out to be dysfunctional villains against the “innocent white man” when they talk about white people whom you seem to love do darn much.

    I also noticed that you conclude that the problems PoC and poor people face is their own fault. Yet, you barely explained why that is so.

    One more thing, you constantly focus on ‘black racism’, but almost all of your comments regarding black people are basically racist.

    Let’s get 10 things straight once and for all so you can move on to something else you don’t like:

    1. Yes, most of us think most or all white people are racist.
    2. Yes, some of us believe blacks are racist as well, but in a different way.
    3. White racism is the major cause for the problems PoC in America and around the world face.
    4. The white group (race) is not blameless.
    5. We black group (race) is not to blame for most or everything wrong with society.
    6. You protect white people on this blog.
    7. You think poorly of black people.
    8. You hate it when blacks talk about whites in a negative way, and yet, you come and listen or read their comments on your own free will.
    9. Talking about blacks in a negative way is the way to go because to you, it’s true. And what you think is all that matters.
    10. You are seriously deluded.

    The end.


  667. @ brothawolf
    “Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
    Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
    Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
    Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.”
    Just saying…
    http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html


  668. Black crime statistics are OFF TOPIC here. It is not just a derailment, it has been done to death elsewhere. (By the way, Birdie’s numbers come American Renaissance which even the Republican mainstream thinks is too racist).

    If you want to continue talking about it, please go to the Broken Records Dept to find the appropriate thread.

    On the other hand, talking about HOW black crime leads to white hatred or demonization or whatever of blacks is certainly on topic.


  669. @ Duck

    This thread is about white racism, not black racism.


  670. on Mon 30 Jul 2012 at 07:47:11 duckduckgoofs

    @ bro

    “You mentioned the same old tired line mentioned thousands of times by other white posters and trolls that most interracial crime is committed by blacks.”

    Maybe so. But the evidence still supports it. Only some people can’t deal with it so they call it a “broken record” and create rhetorical arguments to hide behind, instead.

    In other words if black people didn’t create so much crime and violence against whites, then whites would not hate and fear them so much.

    I have no idea whether “whites” hate and fear blacks or not. However, it’s interesting that you complain about others viewing blacks as a single, monolithic entity when that’s all I see from you. But for the sake of argument, let’s assume you’re right. Wouldn’t that suggest the solution would be for blacks to stop committing so much violent interracial crime?

    But, wait. You don’t see violent, interracial crime as a problem do you? Indeed, you bring up “historical and societal contexts” as as an excuse to justify those violent, interracial crimes. You only care that blacks might be thought poorly of as a result of that violent interracial crime.

    “Let’s get 10 things straight once and for all”

    Well, I guess you told me! :) I’m always amazed at the tendency of those here to make a list and claim its true with no evidence or reason other than “Cuz I said so!” Then again — that kind of does go along with your native religion ie. voodoo. I wouldn’t be surprised if you thought sticking pins in a doll and muttering some mumbo jumbo makes something true, too.

    Friend of yours?

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS1AVpYLzAE)


  671. Birdie,

    We’ve heard it all before plenty of times. Your attempt to recycle the same stats doesn’t make it true or relevant to the topic. Your failure to comprehend that proves your intellectual shortcomings.

    Like duck and all other color-aroused haters to come and go, you want something to give you a reason to hate and/or fear black people and think very less of them so you won’t have to feel guilty and confused about having those feelings.

    This topic is about white racism. Get that through your head. It’s not that hard to understand.


  672. on Mon 30 Jul 2012 at 07:57:00 duckduckgoofs

    @ abag

    It looks like abag has a new blog policy — any comments he doesn’t like are “off topic”. LOL!


  673. duck, I knew you’d nitpick certain parts from my response. That’s typical of you. But since you attempt to hold on to interracial crime (black-on-white) even though this post has nothing to do with it, I will respond as it relates to this post.

    You said,

    “…The evidence still supports it. Only some people can’t deal with it so they call it a “broken record” and create rhetorical arguments to hide behind, instead.”

    What evidence? From where?

    You further said that (you) have no idea whether “whites” hate and fear blacks or not. However, it’s interesting that you complain about others viewing blacks as a single, monolithic entity when that’s all I see from you. But for the sake of argument, let’s assume you’re right. Wouldn’t that suggest the solution would be for blacks to stop committing so much violent interracial crime?

    Are you serious?!? You really don’t know if whites hate or fear blacks? You can’t really be that lost in the dark.

    I’ve met and seen many whites who have expressed their disdain and anxieties about blacks personally, by word-of-mouth, and through broadcasts. Were you born yesterday or something?

    Let me ask you this simple question: Let’s assume that you’re right. Why do you think there is interracial crime involving blacks against whites? Why do you think blacks would target whites?

    “But, wait. You don’t see violent, interracial crime as a problem do you? Indeed, you bring up “historical and societal contexts” as as an excuse to justify those violent, interracial crimes. You only care that blacks might be thought poorly of as a result of that violent interracial crime.”

    I do see interracial crime as a problem, but not the way you see it.

    Most crimes are committed by whites against blacks, and most of them are for reasons involving hate. Black-on-white on the other hand is mostly about opportunity. Many of the black perpetrators who do commit those crimes would or have committed crimes against other blacks. The white victims weren’t targeted for revenge or black supremacy, they were targeted because they had something the criminals want just like black victims.

    I’m also concerned with black-on-white crime because most black suspects are given harsher punishments for their crimes since the victim is white especially if the judge, prosecutor, and jury are all white. If it involves murder, you can best believe that they will try to give the criminal the death penalty. But if it’s the other way around, the chances for getting the death penalty decrease. The same goes for “black-on-black” murder as well.

    The emphasis here is that white lives are deemed more valuable than black lives. It has been this way for generations. If you want proof, look it up yourself. It’s been documented for years. I assume you are capable of researching it yourself. I don’t have to do it for you. In any case this is one example of how whites look down on black people.

    As for your last statement which reads:

    “Well, I guess you told me! I’m always amazed at the tendency of those here to make a list and claim its true with no evidence or reason other than “Cuz I said so!” Then again — that kind of does go along with your native religion ie. voodoo. I wouldn’t be surprised if you thought sticking pins in a doll and muttering some mumbo jumbo makes something true, too.”

    There is evidence to prove our case. You just refuse to accept it or are too lazy to look it up yourself. That’s all I will say about this because your last statement is enough to insult yourself.


  674. And duck,

    This is abagond’s blog. So he has the right to delete any and all comments that are not relevant to the topic or are offensive to others. If he has deleted yours and you don’t know why, you are a sad case.

    The bottom line is that whites do demonize, fear and hate blacks for the simple underlying reason that they are not white. I know that sounds simple, but it’s not. It’s complicated to even understand that which is highly illogical.

    If you can’t take the fact that white people have a problem with black people for no good reason, that’s your problem.


  675. @ Duck

    I am generally pretty freewheeling about threads – I like to keep them loose to see what comes up. But this black crime statistics argument we have heard a zillion times before – it truly is a broken record – and it has nothing to do with this post. Or if it does neither you nor Birdie have made it clear how.


  676. on Mon 30 Jul 2012 at 08:56:58 duckduckgoofs

    “What evidence? From where? “

    The alleged reason for abag making crime statistics a “broken record” was that they’d been presented so many times that everyone knew it already. And you’re going to ask what the evidence is? LOL!

    “Are you serious?!? You really don’t know if whites hate or fear blacks? You can’t really be that lost in the dark.”

    I was shot twice and I don’t. So I don’t know why they would. Personally, I think blacks have a tendency to overestimate themselves and their abilities. Psychologists have confirmed this.

    “Most crimes are committed by whites against blacks, and most of them are for reasons involving hate. Black-on-white on the other hand is mostly about opportunity.”

    Cuz you say so! Right? :)

    I’m also concerned with black-on-white crime because most black suspects are given harsher punishments for their crimes since the victim is white especially if the judge, prosecutor, and jury are all white. If it involves murder, you can best believe that they will try to give the criminal the death penalty. But if it’s the other way around, the chances for getting the death penalty decrease. The same goes for “black-on-black” murder as well. “

    I’ve looked into it and that’s not entirely true. White juries give EVERYONE harsher sentences than black juries. There are more blacks on death row than whites because blacks commit more murders. But white murderers are actually MORE likely to get the death penalty than black murderers. The reason is that most whites commit murders in areas where the juries will be mostly white and give them the death penalty. Whereas most black murderers commit murders where the jury will be mostly black and won’t. Plus, there is the issue of blacks refusing to convict guilty blacks when the victim is white.


  677. on Mon 30 Jul 2012 at 09:03:03 duckduckgoofs

    @ abag “But this black crime statistics argument we have heard a zillion times before – it truly is a broken record “

    Maybe so. But that’s mainly because you and others refuse to acknowledge it. You simply say, “Nope. Statistics are racist. Cuz I said so!” And then you call it a “broken record” so you don’t have to deal with it anymore.


  678. How about plain ignorance about other cultures and the complacency and disinterest (laziness?) to do something about it? That’s at least what I have experienced as the main issue in Europe among white people who look down on people of colour.

    Now a factor I see with white Americans that weighs in considerably is money and a certain arrogance around it. Many Americans still believe that money can buy them everything, even respect. They can’t directly buy humans anymore but they still seem to expect someone they pay to dance after their pipe. Or put it this way: “I pay you so I don’t have to respect you”.


  679. duck,

    I wanted YOU to produce some evidence to back up your statement, but surprise, surprise! You didn’t.

    To said, “I was shot twice and I don’t. So I don’t know why they would. Personally, I think blacks have a tendency to overestimate themselves and their abilities. Psychologists have confirmed this.”

    What do you being shot twice have to do with this? What do blacks supposed tendency to overestimate themselves have to do with this?

    I don’t know why whites would hate and fear blacks either. I’m not sure they know themselves without including the words “more crimes” in their statements.

    And this:

    “I’ve looked into it and that’s not entirely true. White juries give EVERYONE harsher sentences than black juries. There are more blacks on death row than whites because blacks commit more murders. But white murderers are actually MORE likely to get the death penalty than black murderers. The reason is that most whites commit murders in areas where the juries will be mostly white and give them the death penalty. Whereas most black murderers commit murders where the jury will be mostly black and won’t. Plus, there is the issue of blacks refusing to convict guilty blacks when the victim is white.”

    There you go again, starting off by defending whites. Anyway, you want information that supports evidence about racism in the death penalty, here you go:

    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/FactSheet.pdf
    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-penalty-black-and-white-who-lives-who-dies-who-decides#Executive Summary
    http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-and-race
    http://www.aclu.org/capital-punishment/race-and-death-penalty
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2001/12/10/death-penalty-and-race/
    http://www.eji.org/eji/deathpenalty/racialbias
    http://www.criminology.fsu.edu/penology/news/Ogletree%20Article%20(Race%20and%20DP).pdf

    Those links point to one of the darkest realities of how much white lives are valued over black lives.


  680. duck,

    You said, “Maybe so. But that’s mainly because you and others refuse to acknowledge it. You simply say, “Nope. Statistics are racist. Cuz I said so!” And then you call it a “broken record” so you don’t have to deal with it anymore.”

    So, are we supposed to take what is supposedly said about blacks through numbers and just accept it without question huh? We are supposed to be “obedient” and just take such statements in no questions asked, huh? And we’re supposed to agree with what you say, but what we said is wrong in some way shape or form according to you, huh?

    You are way to immature to have a descent argument with if you think we’re just going to simply agree with this black crime campaign you and others like you are so hooked on.


  681. Brothawolf , great to see that you are willing to back up what you say with links…..Duckgoofs seems to be all off the top of his head…


  682. on Mon 30 Jul 2012 at 11:05:37 duckduckgoofs

    @ bro “I wanted YOU to produce some evidence to back up your statement, but surprise, surprise! You didn’t.”

    Pardon me for having not provided sources at 3 am. Perhaps I should have vomited up a list like you did?

    But here’s the problem with your list — it’s an informal fallacy known as “shotgun argumentation”. That means your claims and evidence may or may not be true. But your intention was to provide so many sources that it’s not possible to respond to them all. It’s like listing 10 book titles and saying, “See. That’s my argument. Now prove me wrong.”

    I did, however, go through the first link and it is COMPLETELY CONSISTENT with my argument. In fact, your first link actually SUPPORTS my argument. Your second link was a book online. If you have something specific that supports your argument then you need to reference it specifically. But this “read a book” argument is pathetic.

    “There you go again, starting off by defending whites.”

    Yes, I’m defending whites. Do you have a problem with that? If you weren’t trying to smear them then I wouldn’t be. My recommendation is to reel it in. Lose your malicious motive and only go with arguments that you can support.

    You are way to immature to have a descent argument with if you think we’re just going to simply agree with this black crime campaign you and others like you are so hooked on.

    Whoa! I should frame that. Because you just basically just admitted that facts have nothing to do with it.


  683. The post I made which started “btw is it not also a little ridiculous to write about black people as if they are one person and white people as if they are one person?”, I regret writing this post now. I have not read the responses yet but afterwards I realized that I was missing the point. As I now understand it, he was saying there is nothing wrong with black people as a group. They are not more predisposed to crime, violence and impulsive behaviour as racists say. There are bad black people but they are not bad because they are black.

    Sorry about that. I make a comment about my prior post next.


  684. @ abagond

    The earlier statement does qualify the later statements as referring to white ‘Americans’. However, given the wording of the later statement, I think you must be referring to most or all of them. I can just about read it as most so I will leave it at that. Thanks for clarifying that you were referring to most, or at least thing it about most.

    I will read your links. I’ve read a lot of things on the internet about black crime and IQ and stuff like that. I would like those things not to be true so that we can all live together, so the situation of black people can be improved, and for the sake of humanity as a whole. So I have explored those contentions about black crime and violence and low IQ in order to try to disprove them. This also allows me to expose and challenge my own racism and overcome it, in order to be a better person.

    That’s pretty much my motivation. Plus when I was younger Muhammad Ali was my hero so I read a lot about the civil rights movement through that.


  685. “Right. Genocide or slavery? Everyone does it. Inventions? Only the white ones matter and prove that whites are a cut above everyone else.”

    Not my mentality.

    On another blog recently, somebody was arguing that Asian people are intelligent but lack creativity and therefore can’t invent stuff or make breakthroughs in physics. I linked them to the Wikipedia article ‘list of Chinese inventions’. They got pwned.

    You can make an excellent case that in the 15th century Beijing was the centre of the most advanced civilisation on earth and London was primitive and dirty by comparison.

    Watch the first episode of Niall Ferguson’s ‘Civilisation: is the west history?’ for more info.


  686. Here’s a statistic that bigot Whites and their mulatto lapdogs may not like (since they are so fond of using statistics). If you add up the amount of actual inventors in America and Europe and compare it to the populace; much less than 1% of all Whites invent anything of worth. I really don’t see how that proves Whites are inherently technologically superior, when over 99% don’t create anything of value in their lifetimes.

    It’s the very small minority which drives society as a whole; any society. If you are White and haven’t done anything in your life, you really have no business talking about inventions and sticking out your chest with inflated pride. You’re riding other people’s coat tails! Your self-worth is based on someone else’s deeds. Have some self respect! You too mulattoes!


  687. Isn’t generalization the root of the theory of races ? Some people need to reflect on that.

    Other that, your reflections (original post) are quite on point. Just don’t forget that not all (though very many) light-skinned people are “white”. Whiteness is a state of mind, a pathological one, that not every other light-skinned person shares. Hence my problem with the “they”, the generalizing pronoun, the same the racist theoretician inaugurated some centuries ago.

    As of the first comment, “black envy”, I doubt it very very much ! Racists/white supremacist really BELIEVE in whiteness. Like all other beliefs, it doesn’t react to rational arguments. That is where part of the problem stands.


  688. on Mon 30 Jul 2012 at 16:06:44 duckduckgoofs

    @ Someguy

    1 I’m familiar with smart fraction theory. And as a member of the smart fraction I can tell you that productivity depends as much on a population’s average intelligence as its smart fraction. And since you bring the average down… NO SOUP FOR YOU! hahah

    2 Do I sound like a guy whose short on self respect?


  689. @ Duck
    I am really shocked that you of all people have turned to rambling like a buffoon.

    You know full well I don’t take to statistics no matter what the situation. So it truly doesn’t matter if they are racist or not, but I guess to you because I am black that must be my reason now.

    “I was shot twice and I don’t. So I don’t know why they would. Personally, I think blacks have a tendency to overestimate themselves and their abilities. Psychologists have confirmed this.”—You think because you were shot by a black person that means whites do not hate blacks???? Are you really that stupid??? On another note I don’t need a psychologist to tell me my abilities. I am fully aware of them. Sad that you need one to reaffirm you delusional superiority.


  690. @ Duck

    “2 Do I sound like a guy whose short on self respect?”

    Lately you have been and that is in no way meant to be funny.


  691. @ Steve

    I saw that you were trying to understand so I tried to explain the best I could. Now if you were like any of the other trolls then maybe I would be less kind. LOL.


  692. @ Birdie

    You are always just saying and always magicly keep just trying to side track. You brought up black muslims and your ignorance in regards to that. Can you try to remotely address what you orginally came in here to do and stop trying to get out of the fact that you have been wrong several times over on several different things.

    Also if you are going to do statistics (pathetic how people hold on to papers with numbers) then atleast try to use something that is not in 2005.


  693. @ Cornlia

    Very interesting take.


  694. duck

    You wanted information to back up my argument about the Death Penalty. I gave them to you. Yet, you replied:

    “Pardon me for having not provided sources at 3 am. Perhaps I should have vomited up a list like you did?”

    At the very least I did more than you have EVER done with your comments. Those links help support the existence of racism in the death penalty which coincides with this topic way more than your petty interracial crime argument.

    I’ll be back.


  695. @ duck

    1) I bring the average down? I graduated Summa Cum Laude, junior. Is that all you’ve got? Ha!

    2) Who said I was addressing you? I don’t know if you’re short on self-respect, but you are sure as heck not short on ego.


  696. I’m back. A thunderstorm came through and I don’t want to risk my computer getting a power surge.

    Anyway duck,

    Maybe those links was a cheap shot to you, but then again, whenever those with the white racist mindset ask for proof or information that supports arguments against them, they still reject it hands down without even the tiniest consideration. So, what’s the point?

    And here is some info that supports MY argument that you overlooked (on purpose):

    • In Louisiana, the odds of a death sentence were 97%
    higher for those whose victim was white than for those
    whose victim was black. (Pierce & Radelet, Louisiana
    Law Review, 2011).

    • A study in California found that those who killed whites
    where over 3 times more likely to be sentenced to death
    than those who killed blacks and over 4 times more likely
    than those who killed Latinos. (Pierce & Radelet, Santa
    Clara Law Review, 2005).

    • A comprehensive study of the death penalty in North
    Carolina found that the odds of receiving a death sentence rose by 3.5 times among those defendants whose
    victims where white. (Prof. Jack Boger and Dr. Isaac Unah, University of North Carolina, 2001).

    • In 96% of states where there have been reviews of race and the death penalty, there was a pattern of either
    race-of-victim or race-of-defendant discrimination, or both. (Prof. Baldus report to the ABA, 1998).

    • 98% of the chief district attorneys in death penalty states are white; only 1% are black. (Prof. Jeffrey
    Pokorak, Cornell Law Review, 1998).

    How does that support your argument that:

    ” White juries give EVERYONE harsher sentences than black juries. There are more blacks on death row than whites because blacks commit more murders. But white murderers are actually MORE likely to get the death penalty than black murderers. The reason is that most whites commit murders in areas where the juries will be mostly white and give them the death penalty. Whereas most black murderers commit murders where the jury will be mostly black and won’t. Plus, there is the issue of blacks refusing to convict guilty blacks when the victim is white.”

    No where in your statement mentions anything about juries or murder demographics anywhere in this list of findings.


  697. duck (continued),

    You said, “Yes, I’m defending whites. Do you have a problem with that? If you weren’t trying to smear them then I wouldn’t be. My recommendation is to reel it in. Lose your malicious motive and only go with arguments that you can support.”

    And we are defending blacks. You seem to have a HUGE problem with that since you’re here. If white people get to smear blacks with negative stereotypes, statistics, and myths of black inferiority, why can’t black people defend themselves and turn the tables? Are we supposed to sit back and let them do that to us? Hell no! We know who we are better than they OR YOU ever know, and we are sick and tired of being scapegoated by people, such as yourself, that are part of the problem.

    And you are DEFINITELY part of the problem. You can’t stand it if anyone criticizes white people in how they think, behave, or whatever. White people are not blameless just like black people and poor people are not to blame for all of the problems of this society. In fact you are a willing example of this very post!


  698. Brothawolf…

    So what the racial composition of the jury in these cases…? Is that data available…? Multiple surveys indicate that Whites support the death penalty at a much higher rate than Blacks. In cases where there is a Black murder victim I would guess that there would be several Black jurors and often death penalty cases require a unanimous vote.


  699. To Brothawolf:

    If white people get to smear blacks with negative stereotypes, statistics, and myths of black inferiority, why can’t black people defend themselves and turn the tables?

    Because two wrongs don’t make a right..? It’s fair to criticize White posters who make broad negative assumptions and statements about Blacks but then Abagond and many of the posters here turn around and do the same thing towards Whites. The logic behind most of these types of comments, coming from either group, tends to be rather weak.


  700. To Bulanik

    That means, Brothawolf, you are wrong, and an “illogical” for thinking blacks ought to defend themselves.

    I reiterate: “It’s fair to criticize White posters who make broad negative assumptions and statements about Blacks”


  701. @Uncle Milton

    It’s fair to criticize White posters who make broad negative assumptions and statements about Blacks

    Ok…

    but then Abagond and many of the posters here turn around and do the same thing towards Whites.

    Teach us more about your ‘logic’ Milton. Enlighten us or better yet, lead by example.


  702. Im not quite sure how to understand why some people dont get that things are not on an even steven basis for white people and people of color. In the face of all the information talked about on the blog, pretty blatent facts about discrimination , racism, obsticles always being thrown in the way , police profiling, some people act as though everthing is equal and no one should feel put upon , angry or the need to defend themselves from unfair issues on the table

    And, I dont see anything wrong with recognising the source of unfair discrimination and obstacles and pure racism,is white people and how they created and dealt with these issues of slavery and race and post slavery and the history that all leads up to where we are at today


  703. Uncle Milton,

    You said, “So what the racial composition of the jury in these cases…? Is that data available…? Multiple surveys indicate that Whites support the death penalty at a much higher rate than Blacks. In cases where there is a Black murder victim I would guess that there would be several Black jurors and often death penalty cases require a unanimous vote.”

    In some cases all white juries are used in such cases. It was true in the past, and it still holds true in some cases today. It’s not always true in every case, but this kind of practice still goes on.

    Then you said,

    “Because two wrongs don’t make a right..? It’s fair to criticize White posters who make broad negative assumptions and statements about Blacks but then Abagond and many of the posters here turn around and do the same thing towards Whites. The logic behind most of these types of comments, coming from either group, tends to be rather weak.”

    Why is it wrong to defend ourselves and point out the problems with people with the clear case of the white racist mindset (WRM)? Are we supposed to just sit back and let this crap continue without a strong and sound defense? No!

    The bottom line is that if white people don’t want to be “attacked” as some people think it is, then they damn well better look at themselves in a honest mirror and correct their faults which include having a problem with black people because they are black. End of story.


  704. Bulanik and B. R.,

    Thank you!


  705. @ brothawolf:

    As always, you said it better than I ever could.


  706. @Bulanik

    I have a feeling we are going to see a nugget or 2 that has been squirreled away on this blogsite by Uncle Milton for just this occasion!!
    Perhaps there’s a nugget buried somewhere about how smart at maths Nigerian kids can be or some such, to display that he is one step ahead …..LOL

    I cant wait ;-)


  707. Thanks Leigh.

    Demerera and Bulanik,

    I think it’s delusional to think that to question whites is wrong in some way or to have a critical examination into their mentality and behavior is somehow racist. Yet, to do the same to black people is okay, and we shouldn’t counter that at all?

    Do these people think we should be subservient to them, silent and appreciate that?


  708. To Brothawolf:

    Why is it wrong to defend ourselves and point out the problems with people with the clear case of the white racist mindset (WRM)?

    You and Abagond and other posters are of course free to construct a debate however you so choose… and Abagond has clearly stated that this blog is not structured for White people. I have zero problems with you or anyone criticizing people like Bliff or Jay from Philly who came here and made sweeping negative statements about Blacks. (And offered my own rebuttal to Bliff on a few occasions..) But Abagond and others have turned around and basically done the same thing towards White people, it’s a human reaction but in my opinion an ineffective style of argument when you are not preaching to the choir.


  709. Uncle Milton,

    But aren’t there a considerable number of whites who have the WRM? As such, wouldn’t it be safe to conclude that they have a problem with black people as shown in every facet of society since this is a white dominated nation? And shouldn’t black people have the right to question their morals, integrity, and intelligence that puts black people down on lower levels? Are we really going to allow this to continue without so much as an objection?

    This is the reality. We live in an eye-for-an-eye world. If white people think they have the right to put us down and get defensive when the script is flipped, that same right should be available to people of color as well. And white people should come off their high horse and stop thinking they’re blameless of darn-near anything and everything wrong with race relations. They are no better than the rest of us, especially black people. It is their false since of supremacy that created that “better than human” image.


  710. @ Uncle Milton

    I can’t argue with that. That’s why I personally try to phrase my own statements with the term “White bigot” to differentiate between White people as a whole and biased individuals.


  711. To Brothawolf:

    In my previous post I said:
    ” I have zero problems with you or anyone criticizing people like Bliff or Jay from Philly who came here and made sweeping negative statements about Blacks.”

    Here’s one of my own towards Jay from Philly:

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/why-do-whites-hate-demonize-fear-or-look-down-on-blacks/#comment-133940

    “Jay from Philly mentioned the “no snitching” attitude however the US Department of Justice surveys indicate Blacks actually report crime at a slightly higher rate than Whites, which FWIW jibes with my experience with Black people that I worked with in an informal neighborhood watch.”


  712. @ Uncle Milton

    Crime statistics are off topic here.


  713. You know I just registered for more classes at my college and my advisor was black this time. He was really cool and we had a few really good laughs. Most of all he helped me so much cause I had a lot of questions. At the end he was like: ” Girl, you have a full-time job and you got three As and a B your last semester. God bless you!” Now all I’m thinking is why all the black people can’t be like that? You, guys, have no idea when you say: “You only know a few who are your boyfriend’s friends and blah blah blah…” No. I work as a bartender in NYC. i meet all kinds of different people and so many of them. When you work as a bartender you see how people act, you hear what they are talking about, you feel their personality. I meet so many “gangstas” amongst the black guys it’s not even funny. I have to put up with the most disrespect from this type of people, listen to their foul language and, needless to say, NONE of them tip but make sure to give you the hardest time about food and drinks quality. They will seriously run you to death and bitch about everything.! EVERYTHING! Then at the end won’t tip you a dollar or maybe something like $2 on a $60 check. I’m sorry, but it just doesn’t happen with white people ever, never. So can you explain to me why does that happen?


  714. To abagond:

    @ Uncle Milton

    Crime statistics are off topic here.

    Yes they are… however, I was responding to Bulanik. I was offering a rebuttal to the HBD notion that crime has a genetic basis, where would you suggest I place that post..? And may I link that post as a response to Bulanik below?

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/why-do-whites-hate-demonize-fear-or-look-down-on-blacks/#comment-140006


  715. To Someguy:

    That’s why I personally try to phrase my own statements with the term “White bigot” to differentiate between White people as a whole and biased individuals.

    And when it comes down to the real world.. in the work place, school etc..In my opinion that will generally be a more effective approach.

    To Brothawolf:

    But aren’t there a considerable number of whites who have the WRM?

    I would suggest there is a wide gradient. I don’t know how white people act around other whites in the Carolinas but in California most whites will shun any person that says “I hate or fear Blacks”. That does not mean that they are not racist themselves but such overt behavior is rarely tolerated here.

    that same right should be available to people of color as well…
    I can’t stop you, Abagond, or any else from “flipping the script..” ,but what’s the endgame for you outside of a few blogs or a discussion boards..?


  716. Bulanik:

    No, Uncle Milton. My comment was not ABOUT crime stats, was it, now?

    Um you weren’t…? Here’s what you said:

    “Damn. I recall that Uncle Milton practically blew a fuse when we were discussing the white propensity for violent crime and I drew in European crime stats for comparison purposes….and guess what?

    Briefly I think you confused me with Bliff…. we can continue this discussion on a thread of Abagond’s choosing.


  717. @ Birdie

    Honey you are not the first to get an A and have a full time job. Been there, Done that, had two kids while doing it and still managed to graduate with honors.

    Put you big girl undies on and address me if you want to address me. You came in here like a racist ignorant child and you are still a racist ignorant child as far as I can see. So the f**ck what you work in a bar. You fail to get the key point in your own stupidity. You can only say what blacks are like based on what you see in your own area. You can not attest for all blacks or the majority of blacks for that matter as I have stated to you so many times. What part of that does your small mind not grasp?

    You want to come in and say what all blacks are like and you have no idea. First you claim they were all trying to be Muslims now you want to claim they are a majority gangsta. You are making up so much crap you don’t know what lie you want to push off to the masses.

    Yes, there are bad blacks that are gangsta, but they are not the majority and the bad should not speak for the good. Just because you listen to someone’s conversation does not mean you know them either. You can catch a brief part of someone’s conversation and quickly conclude you know everything about them? What are you smoking??? I don’t judge a person based on a 5 sec conversation I might have heard over a room full of people and music. Sorry if I am not as ignorant as you.


  718. Uncle Milton,

    You said, “I would suggest there is a wide gradient. I don’t know how white people act around other whites in the Carolinas but in California most whites will shun any person that says “I hate or fear Blacks”. That does not mean that they are not racist themselves but such overt behavior is rarely tolerated here.”

    That’s the thing. Most whites definition of racism is about individual and personal hatred of blacks in the form of Neo-nazis, cross burnings, and racial epithets. They don’t know or don’t CHOOSE to know that racism is also systematic. And they sure don’t realize how harmful racism is to THEMSELVES.


  719. @ Birdie

    I am also sure that if that professor saw some of the ignorance you displayed on this board he would be less likely to take you as a serious person and I am sure you were all but too quick to kiss azz.

    “I’m sorry, but it just doesn’t happen with white people ever, never. So can you explain to me why does that happen?”—This is just you being ignorant. If a person does not tip then skin color does not even matter. I have seen white people in restaurants not only not tip but smear food on the tables for waitresses to clean up and laugh on the way out. If you did not get a high tip then honey that means your service was crap and based on the things you say in here about blacks it would not surprise me, so the fact that they cared to give you $2 would amaze me.

    When my husband and I tip (yes blacks tip) we always do it based on the service we get. If we have constant instances of crappy service then the tip drops. If the service is good then it goes up from the 15%. Good service is not just doing what we ask, but the attitude in which you do it.


  720. Birdie, let me examine your comment to see if I’m understanding you.

    You said, “You know I just registered for more classes at my college and my advisor was black this time. He was really cool and we had a few really good laughs. Most of all he helped me so much cause I had a lot of questions. At the end he was like: ” Girl, you have a full-time job and you got three As and a B your last semester. God bless you!” Now all I’m thinking is why all the black people can’t be like that?

    First of all, can’t be like what? Like you? Like white people? Are you saying that black people in general are nothing like your advisor?

    “You, guys, have no idea when you say: “You only know a few who are your boyfriend’s friends and blah blah blah…” No. I work as a bartender in NYC. i meet all kinds of different people and so many of them. When you work as a bartender you see how people act, you hear what they are talking about, you feel their personality. I meet so many “gangstas” amongst the black guys it’s not even funny. I have to put up with the most disrespect from this type of people, listen to their foul language and, needless to say, NONE of them tip but make sure to give you the hardest time about food and drinks quality. They will seriously run you to death and bitch about everything.! EVERYTHING!”

    So, the black people you meet at your job must represent most or all black people in the whole nation huh? Many gangstas are black guys. So, many black guys are gangstas, right?

    And they are disrespectful for no reason, huh? Black people in general curse, don’t tip, give you a hard time, and whine about everything.

    Well, are they treated like human beings with the same respect as you would want to be treated yourself? Do you see them as people and not as black people?

    Finally, you said “Then at the end won’t tip you a dollar or maybe something like $2 on a $60 check. I’m sorry, but it just doesn’t happen with white people ever, never. So can you explain to me why does that happen?”

    Let me see. Are they treated well? Are they given first-class customer service? Do you talk to them with respect and not talk down to them? In short do you treat them as people? Do people at your job treat them as people?

    You may be working in the wong place. Perhaps, you need to work at a place where there is nothing but white people so you won’t have to be bothered by us foul-mouthed, no tipping, disrepsectful, whining, blacks and us black male gangstas.

    Answer me these questions (yes’s and no’s are preferred even though I have a feeling that is asking WAAAAAAY too much for you), and answer them with honesty unless you feel the need to lie or fudge the truth in order to make yourself appear right.

    Oh, one more thing, just because white people tend to tip more doesn’t mean they are better customers than anyone else.


  721. Oh, Sharina, Pleeease :) I kinda expected some kind of an answer as : “It’s because you don’t provide good service!” LIAR! Just stop lying and look at the facts. Black people don’t like to tip. I would say 60% of blacks don’t tip doesn’t matter what kind of service you provide.
    A few weeks ago I had this black kid who was asking me all about the specials and prices and “what should i get”. I’m like: “Dude, honestly if you want the best deal you should get a LIT” I make it for him and he’s all like:”Thank you so much! You’re the best bartender!” Walks away, didn’t tip me a dollar.Did you just tell me I was the best bartender? Really? Just wasted 10 min of my time asking about: “How much is Patron? How much is Ciroc? Blah blah blah…” That happens ALL THE TIME with black people. Not all of them but 60-70% are like that. “Can I get some ranch dressing” ” This wings have no flavor, can I get smthng else instead?” The bitchiest most annoying customers ever! I shall really see no difference. Peleeeaase!


  722. @ Sharina
    “Honey you are not the first to get an A and have a full time job. Been there, Done that, had two kids while doing it and still managed to graduate with honors.

    Put you big girl undies on and address me if you want to address me. You came in here like a racist ignorant child and you are still a racist ignorant child as far as I can see. So the f**ck what you work in a bar. You fail to get the key point in your own stupidity. You can only say what blacks are like based on what you see in your own area. You can not attest for all blacks or the majority of blacks for that matter as I have stated to you so many times. What part of that does your small mind not grasp?

    You want to come in and say what all blacks are like and you have no idea. First you claim they were all trying to be Muslims now you want to claim they are a majority gangsta. You are making up so much crap you don’t know what lie you want to push off to the masses.

    Yes, there are bad blacks that are gangsta, but they are not the majority and the bad should not speak for the good. Just because you listen to someone’s conversation does not mean you know them either. You can catch a brief part of someone’s conversation and quickly conclude you know everything about them? What are you smoking??? I don’t judge a person based on a 5 sec conversation I might have heard over a room full of people and music. Sorry if I am not as ignorant as you.”
    Sharina, good for you, girl! I was absolutely not bragging by saying that I’m a good student=it’s the way you want to twist it. I hope it makes you feel better about yourself.
    Your silly name-calling really doesn’t do much for me. If you want to defend your opinion on more intellectual premises than you should rethink your style of posting. Good luck! I’m sure, you are by far more intelligent individual unlike me :D


  723. Birdie is not actually looking for answers. She’s a one trick pony: asking that Blacks justify or ‘explain’ what she sees as aberrant Black behavior is her way of putting Blacks on blast. She is getting across her negative thoughts about Blacks by framing them as questions

    White racists pull that trick all the time. I’ve noticed that its usally the women who resort to that tactic. If Birdie actually seeks answers to those stupid questions, then why doesn’t she simply ask them of the penny-pinching, boorish “gangstas” who come into her bar (and I would love to be there if she does)? Why doesn’t she ask her blessings-bestowing black professor? I’m a well-mannered diner and a great tipper; why should I be expected to explain the behavior of ill-mannered cheapskates?

    Birdie already knows there are people of all races like that (boorish, cheap) in the world, and that certain people (especially very young people), regardless of race, who may think it’s cool to identify themselves as belonging to a specific group, whether they hold to the tenets of that group or not.

    If she doesn’t understand these things, then Birdie is a bird brain.


  724. . “First you claim they were all trying to be Muslims now you want to claim they are a majority gangsta. You are making up so much crap you don’t know what lie you want to push off to the masses.”
    Hahaha!!!!! R u serious? Gangstas are the ones who turn into Muslims ( fake gangstas turn into fake Muslims). So as long as you grow some beard and “don’t eat pork” (just bacon) it’s alright to smoke and drink and not pray 4 times a day ( but you are still a Muslim)


  725. @ Birdie

    I was very polite to you until you decided to just plainly make ignorant claims and then follow it up with “It’s just true.” You still can not get from out of your own butt to realize how ignorant you sound. Why should I respect someone who has the comprehension capacity of a cock roach?

    “First you claim they were all trying to be Muslims now you want to claim they are a majority gangsta. You are making up so much crap you don’t know what lie you want to push off to the masses.” I see I need to clarify this statement for you. When you first came in you started talking about how all blacks want to be Muslims. Ignoring the actual facts that others gave you on Muslims and changing the subject to avoid admitting how wrong you are. Now you are talking about gangstas and how you claim a majority of blacks are.

    I’m sorry but I am a Mormon and I never did anything gangsta, so I guess you are wrong again about what a majority black people are.

    Now you claim gangsta’s are the one’s that turn into “fake” Muslims. Are you taking a creative writing course because you are so good at writing stories. Now you want to say Black Muslims are gangstas. I guess I better watch out for the Muslim girl at Old Navy because she is now a gangsta.


  726. @ Fiamma

    Thank you for that. I have not seen anyone use such a tactic and I tend to have a short amount of patience for people who willingly act stupid. She was fitting the bill.


  727. @ Birdie

    “Your silly name-calling really doesn’t do much for me. If you want to defend your opinion on more intellectual premises than you should rethink your style of posting. Good luck! I’m sure, you are by far more intelligent individual unlike me”—-If I wanted to defend my opinion on an intellectual premises that would require I talk to someone else. You can’t even comprehend the basic things I say and your brain would likely explode if I addressed it on a more scholarly level.

    Your are making the choice to act unintelligent. I am not making that choice for you.


  728. @ Birdie

    Most of the Blacks on this site bring up relevant issue regarding how Whites interact with Blacks in negative ways. You aren’t even doing the opposite. You’re just nitpicking irrelevant behaviors, which by and large, have no effect on Whites as a whole. Who cares if Blacks want to be Muslims? That has no effect on you. This isn’t a public forum for you to air out your insignificant pet peeves. Stop being so neurotic.

    If you don’t like it, you can lump it; take it down the road and dump it.


  729. Another giveaway to Birdie’s white racist mind-set is when she said something to the effect that all Black people should be like her professor.

    She didn’t say ‘all people’ but “all blacks”, as if all non-Blacks are easygoing blessing-givers — which, obviously, is nowhere close to reality. In her world it’s only Black people who need to think, behave etc. in certain ways.


  730. Why are you looking down on black people, Birdie ? Lots of generalisations and stereotypes…..I just thought you could give us an insight to the title of this thread


  731. @ B. R.
    I am inclined to tell you that your reply was the most informative out of all the answers about “Black” Muslims. In all due respect B.R., my boyfriend was raised in a section 8 neighborhood with nothin’ but black friends so I look down on “fake gangstas” who think it’s cool to carry a gun around and sell drugs. I just don’t get it. For some reason it seems it is okay to call white folks “crackers” and White Men “White Boys” when any small remark towards African Americans is always deemed inappropriate and unlawful. In my experience I have witnessed more racism towards Caucasian people without punishment… but any similar/significant remarks towards minorities is easily substantially prosecuted with prejudice.


  732. Birdie,

    You told Sharina, “…You can only say what blacks are like based on what you see in your own area. You can not attest for all blacks or the majority of blacks for that matter as I have stated to you so many times. What part of that does your small mind not grasp?”

    But in your earlier comment, didn’t you say the following?

    “…all I’m thinking is why all the black people can’t be like that?”

    Weren’t you making a general statement implying that all blacks are not like your college adviser and thus, you wish they are all the same like him like one group with a single mind?


  733. Birdie,

    It seems to me YOU are the one making generalizations based on the black people in YOUR area. I connected the dots within your comment about the black people you were referring to in the bar.


  734. on Tue 31 Jul 2012 at 11:03:57 duckduckgoofs

    @ Someguy “I graduated Summa Cum Laude, junior.”

    If that’s true then you’re very much the exception aren’t you? Out of curiosity, what field? I’d also be curious to know what uni but I won’t ask because I wouldn’t answer it either.

    >>>

    @ bro How does that support your argument that:

    You need to go back and read my argument again. and again. and AGAIN! Until you finally understand it. Your quotes support my argument BECAUSE they show that someone convicted of murdering a white victim is more likely to get the death penalty than someone who murders a black victim. You see that and say, “Aha! It’s RACISM!” But you’ve never stopped to think about what it means.

    Who is more likely to murder white victims and who is more likely to murder black victims? Blacks are more likely to murder blacks and whites are more likely to murder whites. In fact, 94% of blacks are murdered by other blacks and 89% of whites are murdered by other whites. So the person most likely to murder a black victim is ALSO black. If juries are less likely to give someone the death penalty for murdering a black victim that means that a BLACK murderer is usually the one not getting the death penalty.

    Who do you think is sitting on the jury? Do you think they’re going down to Alabama to find white guys to sit on juries in Chicago and Detroit? Black juries are the ones who aren’t giving blacks who murder other blacks the death penalty.

    You personally demonstrate this with your own comments. On the one hand, you complain that the death penalty discriminates against blacks. While on the other hand, you complain that black lives are valued less because the blacks who murder other blacks aren’t given the death penalty as often. You can’t have it both ways.

    Now compare this to whites. According to your own statistic, people convicted of murdering whites are 97% more likely to get the death penalty. That means its probably going to be a white guy who gets the death penalty. Whites aren’t going to the ghetto to murder other whites. So the case is probably going to be tried in a majority white area with a majority white jury. That means its mostly white juries hanging white murderers for murdering white victims. Do you have a problem with that? Yeah, well, if a black guy murders someone white in a white area then the white jury is going to hang his azz, too. Do you have a problem with that one?

    White juries are hanging juries. And black juries are weak on crime.


  735. @Brothawolf

    Do these people think we should be subservient to them, silent and appreciate that?

    In a word – Yes. The crux of it all is that BP were enslaved by these people and, a few hundred years later given ‘liberty’. They dont want BP to keep discussing the wrongs that occurred, little caring or appreciating that they have no doubt left an indelible imprint as to treatment in the present day. Instead, they want what they did ‘right’ focused on and praised and by contrast, to ‘highlight’ how grateful BP should be after all thats been done for them!


  736. @Birdie

    So can you explain to me why does that happen?

    Have you learned nothing from your brief participation on this blog? One BP cannot speak for any other however, in line with my role in Personnel, I will have a stab at your question.

    Perhaps you are not performing well in your role i.e. slow service/bring out the wrong menu choices/calculate the bill incorrectly

    Or they may feel that:-

    you look surly/unclean/your attitude is off/you work in a dive/your expectations are unrealistic i.e. maybe the food is poor

    I hope this has been helpful to you and you go on reflect on just some of the many possibilities that have been demonstrated here.


  737. @Milton

    In my previous post I said:
    ” I have zero problems with you or anyone criticizing people like Bliff or Jay from Philly who came here and made sweeping negative statements about Blacks.”

    You and people like you just cant help it can you. You must always feel ‘superior’ to someone, somehow… At times, you are ALL on the same page though the way it is portrayed is different. Some prefer the overt, uncouth and ignorant way, others are stealth like and implicit…..


  738. @ Duck

    I don’t want to say the school, but will just state I have a science degree. It’s just and associates degree, nothing major, but I graduated at the top of my class. I could have continued my studies, but certain circumstances prevented me from doing so.

    But I would like to ask you this: What would I be an exception to?


  739. @ SomeGuy

    I believe Duck is holding on to the delusional dream that blacks are not smart and do not accomplish anything, when in reality it is one of the many things that is hidden by society to push the black thug agenda.


  740. @ Sharina

    The reason I asked him is because I don’t think I said that I was “Black”. I’ve always said that I was mixed race. I do sometimes consider myself fully Black because of social programming and my ethnicity would probably be considered “African American”; but racially I am mixed race.


  741. @Someguy

    I do sometimes consider myself fully Black because of social programming and my ethnicity would probably be considered “African American”; but racially I am mixed race.

    Perhaps he has ‘lumped you in’ with AA regardless. Maybe he only see’s things in Black and white with no shades in between…


  742. on Tue 31 Jul 2012 at 17:06:07 duckduckgoofs

    @ Someguy

    I respect a science degree whether it’s associates, bachelor’s, master’s or Phd. I come from a STEM background, too.

    But I would like to ask you this: What would I be an exception to?

    The majority of people who think they’re above average… but aren’t.


  743. @Bulanik

    @Demerera

    Remember Doug? He was a highly-trained and ‘elite’ lawyer (race realist troll) of, um, massive intellect but couldn’t analyze fairly straightforward case law and its interpretations?

    Oh yeah – Doug laaaas. He was friends with Jack Daniels wasnt he. Didn’t he show his ‘sound’, ‘reasoning’ and ‘debating’ skills on the Zimmerman thread didnt he?


  744. @ Uncle Milton

    “You and Abagond and other posters are of course free to construct a debate however you so choose… and Abagond has clearly stated that this blog is not structured for White people. I have zero problems with you or anyone criticizing people like Bliff or Jay from Philly who came here and made sweeping negative statements about Blacks. (And offered my own rebuttal to Bliff on a few occasions..) But Abagond and others have turned around and basically done the same thing towards White people, it’s a human reaction but in my opinion an ineffective style of argument when
    you are not preaching to the choir.”

    It is not my style that is mainly at fault. It is talking while black. According to the Rules of Racial Standing, there are only two times when most whites will take what I say seriously: when I agree with them and when I bad-mouth blacks.

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/10/29/the-five-rules-of-racial-standing/

    Saying anything bad about whites, however true, marks me as hateful, angry and racist in their eyes. Their loss, not mine. I am not one of those who thinks talking nicely to whites will change anything.


  745. “Saying anything bad about whites, however true, marks me as hateful, angry and racist in their eyes. Their loss, not mine. I am not one of those who thinks talking nicely to whites will change anything.” <- What you wrote Abagond.

    "Toronto has a huge gang problem, every single gang shooting this year has involved a first or second generation BLACK immigrant (Somali, Jamaican, Nigerian, West Indian)… I fail to see how pointing out the obvious and asking to have an honest conversation about it makes me terrible" <- what someone from Stormfront wrote.

    Hmm, seems oddly similar. Minds who take radical positions on the opposite sides tend to think a like I assume.

    But I digress, I'll step back into the shadows of a lurker now and watch from a safe distance, because as much as I disagree with the site .. it's fun watching two sides self-destruct.

    Annnd … GO!.


  746. To Abagond:

    It is not my style that is mainly at fault.
    In my opinion some of your posts about Whites “flip the script” some do not.

    Saying anything bad about whites, however true, marks me as hateful, angry and racist in their eyes.
    Bliff came here and posted a bunch of half truths and erroneous information about Blacks. Did his words affect you or did you roll your eyes and think here’s another?


  747. Sharina,

    Duck isn’t holding on to it, he’s obsessed with it. That’s his theme to almost every response to any and all posts related to the topic of race. That is why he tends to derail – a lot.


  748. To Demerera:

    You must always feel ‘superior’ to someone, somehow…
    Nope.


  749. duck,

    First of all, Yes! I do see racism when it gives harsher sentences to black suspects or murderers of whites. That means hints how much white lives are valued in this damn society.

    Second, As usual you miss MY POINT. I was talking about racism in death penalty sentencing. That’s my main topic. My topic is NOT about who is likely to murder who. It is NOT about black juries and YOUR belief that they are weak on crime. Those are just your weak attempts to shift the conversation in your favor to look down on blacks YET AGAIN.

    Face it. You’re just babbling out of both sides of your mouth to try to override the focus of my topic and this topic of this blog. If you keep derailing other posts with your usual “blacks are bad” theme, you may end up getting banned.


  750. on Tue 31 Jul 2012 at 21:21:55 duckduckgoofs

    @ bro “First of all, Yes! I do see racism when it gives harsher sentences to black suspects or murderers of whites.”

    That’s not what’s happening. You’re just too dumb to understand the argument / data.


  751. @Milton

    I said:You must always feel ‘superior’ to someone, somehow…

    You predictably responded Nope.

    I fail to see why you feel the need to differentiate and thereby distance yourself from these commenters when you ALL say the same thing. Ask yourself why you feel distinct and therefore in a class of your own from your white peers. The delivery is different but the basis and frequent fallacious assertions /reasonings are all from the same stereotypical and often baseless PoV.


  752. https://www.law.upenn.edu/journals/conlaw/articles/volume3/issue1/BowersSteinerSandys3U.Pa.J.Const.L.171(2001).pdf

    Read it all. It is a comprehensive study published in the journal of constitutional law, it analysis the racial bias of the death penalty and sentencing in general. Black people are much more likely to award life sentences while white people are for the death penalty.


  753. duck,

    That is exactly what’s happening. You just don’t want to see it. You don’t want other people to be right and you wrong. That is one of your many problems. You are just too immature and too ignorant to take disagreements seriously let alone stay within a topic so simple a third-grader understands.

    I don’t have a habit of derailing threads because I don’t respect the blog or the blogger enough to stay on topic. I don’t get upset when some of my comments don’t pass. That is the truth, duck. So, stop projecting your inadequacies in conversations onto those who respect this blog.


  754. This article also states that racism is a factor in jury decisions, all black juries are EXTREMELY rare.


  755. duck,

    This topic is about why white people look down and hate black people. I used the death penalty as an example to show how lives are valued based on the color of the skin of the criminal and the victim. That coincides with this post on a legal level.

    This post is about what’s going on with white people in regards to black people according to BLACK PEOPLE, the very white people people you admit to protect and the people who’s mindset you took in in regards to racism.

    On occasion you called Abagond and some of the posters here black racists. So, the question many of us have asked so many like-minded posters is why bother to come here if it pisses you off?

    There are a few theories, but it all points to the fact that you don’t know how to debate. You derail, use strawmen, use the media as viable sources, and juvenile name-calling. So, why not look at your faults in your responses before you point out the faults, real or imagined, in others?


  756. silentreturn,

    I heard that black juries are very rare indeed.


  757. @ Birdie

    The sad thing is B.R. responded to you several posts ago and just now you want to acknowledge what he said. After going on serial rants about what you think of “black” Muslims and black people in general. ***Rolling eyes***

    “For some reason it seems it is okay to call white folks “crackers” and White Men “White Boys” when any small remark towards African Americans is always deemed inappropriate and unlawful.”—Please name one white person that has been arrested for saying any derogatory name towards a black person??? Quote a law where it is now unlawful to call a person names??? Go ahead.

    The phrase white boy is no more far fetch then the phrase Boy in which whites used to call black men to degrade them. In most cases that I have heard the term “white boy” it is not used to degrade anyone only to get the attention of a young white teenage male.

    Do tell me what a “fake” gangsta has to do with what some blacks call whites?? You are all over the page with things that don’t match your agenda of trying to bash blacks. It is like you are searching so hard for something bad to say about blacks that you are making yourself sound like a lunatic that is obsessed with what black people do and don’t do.


  758. @ Birdie

    “Oh, Sharina, Pleeease :) I kinda expected some kind of an answer as : “It’s because you don’t provide good service!” LIAR! Just stop lying and look at the facts. Black people don’t like to tip. I would say 60% of blacks don’t tip doesn’t matter what kind of service you provide.”—Oh and how is that facts. Because you work in a bar and you know facts. You work in one bar in one area and you conclude that 60% of blacks around the world don’t tip. Now I must ask what are you snorting or shooting. Try working in a restaurant. Fact of the matter is color does not dictate bad service. I can see from how you act in here that you are more than likely no better towards blacks in person. I can almost promise you that people sense it no matter how much you put on a smile. I think it more bothers you that people don’t automatically tip and treat you nice because you are white. Sorry that white privilege is not working for you in the black community the way you thought it should.

    “A few weeks ago I had this black kid who was asking me all about the specials and prices and “what should i get”. I’m like: “Dude, honestly if you want the best deal you should get a LIT” I make it for him and he’s all like:”Thank you so much! You’re the best bartender!” Walks away, didn’t tip me a dollar.Did you just tell me I was the best bartender? Really? Just wasted 10 min of my time asking about: “How much is Patron? How much is Ciroc? Blah blah blah…” That happens ALL THE TIME with black people. Not all of them but 60-70% are like that. “Can I get some ranch dressing” ” This wings have no flavor, can I get smthng else instead?” The bitchiest most annoying customers ever! I shall really see no difference. Peleeeaase!”

    You just proved my point about poor service. What more do you want? Who wants a bartender with a sour attitude, Who wants to tip for crappy food, etc. I can tell you right now I would not tip or pay for crappy food and service. On top of that kids don’t tip no matter what color, especially if they are low on funds. You fail to realize a very important key to it all. You don’t just get tips because you say so or because you believe it is mandatory. Tips are options. If a person does not want to tip you then guess what THEY DON’T HAVE TO.


  759. @ brothawolf

    I personally have been wondering what is up with Duck or maybe I just thought better of him than he really is. When I first came to the blog I admire that he would use some type of logic to argue his points, even if I did not agree but lately he has been babbling. No structured or sound argument and down right name calling, which I really didn’t expect from him.


  760. @ Birdie

    Statistically speaking Whites are more likely to do drugs, rape, and molest children, but I would never let those statistics define the individual I meet and get to know on my own. That is why I never pay that crap any mind. If I meet a white person and they are cool then I am not going to be thinking in the back of my mind ” I better not be nice because the statistic report says etc.” I am not going to allow numbers on a sheet of paper to determine my thoughts on all white people, black people, or Asian people. It is sad and pathetic how people like you let numbers on a paper determine your thoughts on black people without even getting to know them.

    9 time out of 10 when I have meet people like you…They are always the ones that have this wall up. That is what is so sad about is is that you have up this “I hate blacks” wall that is so high that you can’t even see past it.

    Now if you want to learn something about blacks then I am sure others will be happy to explain and help with that. If you want to continue to convince yourself that you know black people, then I am sure others will treat you like the idiots that all come in here and claim they know “all” black people.


  761. Sharina,

    I think he’s starting to crack. He sounds desperate to risk derailing topics, and lately – if not mostly – his responses always seem to point to the “black people are dumb and violent” theme over and over again.

    I don’t know what’s going on with him or any other posters with similar or more terrible comments. They must really have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to certain people, and it’s always black people they have a problem with.

    To these people it seems like being black is a sin. If not, they are heavily focused on them and the color of the people making them.

    (Sighs and SMH)


  762. To Demerera:

    You predictably responded Nope.
    Yes.. because it is the correct response.

    frequent fallacious assertions /reasonings ..
    Such as..?


  763. on Wed 1 Aug 2012 at 09:01:31 duckduckgoofs

    @ bro

    You can engage in all the mock psychoanalysis you like. It doesn’t change the facts, it doesn’t disprove my argument and it certainly won’t provoke me. But if you and Sharina want to play that game then have at it.


  764. @ Duck

    This really is not the first time I have noticed this. Frankly it was noticed on another topic and as I remember others wanted to know about all this talk about the shooting you keep hinting at and not devolving the hold thing. I also remember you saying you did not want to talk about it and I remember saying I will not ask you about it. From them on I noticed your usual calm and collective arguments have turned into a bunch of rants.As I stated with Brotherwolf, it could have been sooner and I just have not noticed


  765. correction whole*


  766. Well, I don’t know who I am quoting here who quoted someone else, but it’s just to say.
    From this: “”Toronto has a huge gang problem, every single gang shooting this year has involved a first or second generation BLACK immigrant (Somali, Jamaican, Nigerian, West Indian)…”

    What does a Somalian have in common with a West Indian ? Not much.
    What does a Nigerian have in common with a Jamaican and a West Indian – Jamaicans being West Indians…- ? A lot, culturally speaking, since their ancestors where kidnapped and deported to the Americas by Europeans some centuries ago.
    What does a Nigerian have in common with a Somalian ? Very little.

    What forces them to find themselves in the same boat not literally anymore, but figuratively yes, and it does have grave implications) ? Racism. They are all defined as “black” for being Afro-….

    *maybe*, (maybe), maybe ??? it has something to do with the fact that finding themselves in a foreign European-rooted country and having to deal with the racism that was and still a funding concept of relationships between Africans and Europeans in the Americas AND in Africa ?
    Maybe ? Maybe, finding one’s place in countries that consider that they are inherently “white” is difficult ?
    Maybe? Maybe the huge gang that was made up thousands of Europeans for 400 years that was ruling over the Atlantic, the African coasts and the Americas has SOMETHING to do with them being reduced to killing each other ?

    Maybe, maybe ??? the fact that these people are still forced to migrate to find a better life has something to do with Euro-American firms and governments still holding the keys to economics (surely) and politics in their OWN countries ?
    `
    Maybe Europeans should start looking at their own selves to see that their civilization is still the biggest threat to dark-skinned people ? (Listen to Bob Marley’s 400 years song… instead of buying racist plush bananas wearing Rastafari hairstyle and bonnets at the fair)

    I am a European, light-skinned, blond-haired and blue-eyed, and I wish I had nothing to do with those “deniers” who, after 400 years continue to constantly imply that being “black” has something to do with being violent.
    Then maybe, maybe ? being “white” and claiming it is the epitome, the summit, the top, the ultimate way to be violent ?


  767. duck,

    Is my so-called psychoanalysis far off? You haven’t denied any of my assertions that you are obsessed with black people acting violent or criminal. In fact you’ve been derailing topics lately to prove your usual case. And the last time I checked in another post, you got your sources from the mainstream media of all places. You can’t seem to let it go. You can’t seem to respond without bring up how bad black people are.

    So, you tell me what is it. Why are you constantly telling us something we haven’t heard before? What is your beef with black people especially if they defend themselves against people who see many things wrong with them? Why is it that we can’t say anything critical about whites because that is racist?

    If you want to deny that you have a problem, go ahead. But let’s get one thing straight.

    Black people, whether you know it or not, know that we have issues. We don’t deny them. We don’t cover them up. We are well aware of the problems we face. and some of us, like myself, know that not all problems come from within. That is something we just can not agree with. Why? Because it’s way too easy to blame ourselves rather than put the blame where it belongs. And in this society, that is not allowed without being called a black racist.

    What Abagond, myself, and many other black bloggers are doing is doing what is hard to do in this society and that is question the white group. Our theme is to find out why they hate us. We’ve heard many of the reasons ranging from I.Q. to mentioning slavery to crime. None of those hold any weight for the most part. When you cross out all of these responses as excuses, then you have to ask again, what’s wrong with them when it comes to black people.

    That is not hate. That is love. Because that is trying to find the truth in all this. The truth is nothing to frown at. It’s time to hear the black person’s truth from a black person. Makes sense doesn’t it?

    It is love because there are people trapped in this matrix of whiteness that discards their minds, hearts and soles for the “white mind”. These people don’t want to be human. They want to be white – at any cost.

    And if white people who are sick with racism on some level or another want to truly heal and not be anxious being around us or talking about us, they need to stop with the denial, stop with the blame game, and quit calling us names. They need to find out why they truly hate black people without pointing the blame on the entire black group. That is not healing. That is not a way to truly feel good. That is self-hatred.

    All I’m saying is that if you don’t want people to jump on your case, then you need to listen or read, look at yourself, and fix the wounds in your heart. Acting tough won’t cut it. Humbling yourself is the only way.


  768. duck,

    No one is trying to provoke you. You just want me or someone else to provoke you. This is from someone who loves you as one is supposed to love everyone.


  769. @Bulanik

    He did? What did he do?


  770. So much for my response. lol


  771. @ Bulanik

    And he was one I did not expect to do that. Sad really.


  772. @ Brothawolf

    I guess your theory was correct.


  773. Brothawolf, your responce was incredible…glad you made that statement


  774. I found out he used sock puppets on a different post and after he was banned he said he’ll be back with more sock puppets.

    He really is disturbed.


  775. Sounds like you’re the one with a race problem bro. I’m white and I don’t have a damn thing against black people. And here’s a little history lesson for you: not only blacks were slaves. What about Native Americans? Even whites were slaves. Many whites have problems with blacks. Many blacks have problems with whites. Etc. the world is a bad place. But there is also good. Advice: stop looking at the negatives and start looking at the positives.


  776. ^ YES! Turn a blind eye to all the effedupness that can put you out of work, keep you out of neighborhoods you can more than afford, or cause you to be “accidentally” shot by someone carrying a gun and shield. Talking about racists attitudes mean you have a problem!


  777. @ Anonymous

    Seems like you need a lesson in basic reading comprehension bro. No one said blacks were the only slaves and no one said this was about all whites. I will say this much though. The whites that actually do have a deep seeded problem are always the ones that come in miscomprehended what they read and what is being said; then try so hard to give everyone else a history lesson or advice that they obviously need more than the rest.

    But carry on.


  778. *Talking about racist attitudes means you have a problem!* Ugh! grammar/spelling issues lol.


  779. Anonymous, I am a person who is /was classified as “white” in American racial classification system and in the 18th century European attempt at separating and hierarchizing (never know how to say that, I’m French) humans along genealogical/ pseudo-genetic/ phenotypical lines. You are wrong, my “bro”. You don’t know what you are talking about and you need to learn A LOT.

    First, read books on the difference between the treatment of Native Americans and Africans by the same people that enslaved them, Europeans. (there are many books) They actually commissioned (the Vallaloid debate see Wiki) themselves to reflect on whether “Indians” were really human, whether they had a soul or not. They didn’t consider the possibility for Africans, as they decided (as others like Arabs/Muslims had before) that the Bible was telling them that Africans were “black” as a punishment from God, therefore were “paying” for their sin by being their slaves. Simple, right ? So easy.

    Well, the problem is, the ideology is very very resilient, and we are STILL in the midst of it. Your discourse is the proof. You don’t want to listen to what “blacks”, that is those that were designated and labelled as such by racists (pseudo-scientists who were also naturalists, biologists, ethnologist, anthrologists – do you realize how much academia was put to work to spread the propaganda ? You are a victim of it too…) have to say, because you *think* you know better.

    White-minded people are like that. The concept of whiteness, when they have accepted it as a fact, which it is not (it is an illusion), messes up their minds. It is, I believe personally (and the author of this blog too !), a psychiatric ailments. It needs to be treated. BUT, the doctors, most of them, are also “white”-minded, the researchers, many of them are. And this mental disease serves a goal, plus it benefits its sufferers. And it’s very victims tend to accept and even claim some of the ideologies postulate, like “blackness”. The development of the ideology in colonial settings is so complex it is incredible when you read about it. So it is VERY complicated to attack.

    Take time to actually read what people write, what they say, what they claim, because they may sound angry, they may be angry, but they are rarely hateful, very rarely, surprisingly, considering what they and they forefathers have had to endure (the worst didn’t stop long ago). When they tell you something is racist, believe them, listen to them. Try.
    When they tell you they have suffered to a point that no other group of humans has, believe them. They know, they undergo it.

    Don’t use the classical trick (I learnt recently what it is called “the fig leaf argument”.) Someone tells you about something serious, and you say, “yes, but, I too, they too… blah blah.” No, they are telling you about something specific, that has its own causes and consequences. They are not talking about something else. But that DOESN’T mean that they don’t care about the rest.

    Simply, in this case, they HAVE TO take care of that problem, because they know that, in this day and time, nobody (or so few, unfortunately) will take care of it in their place.

    Words from a (beige-skinned) “sis”.

    Peace


  780. Why do blacks have to move to white countries? Whites wouldn’t hate, demonize, fear or look down on blacks if blacks did not live in our countries. Stop the hate Separate. Its really THAT simple.

    Why should whites have to take blacks into their countries we feel the same as Israel

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10250768

    JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is warning that Israel could be swamped by illegal migrants from Africa.
    The mounting number of migrants is high on the national agenda following a series of crimes, including rapes, that have been blamed on the newcomers.

    Netanyahu says the influx is “threatening the fabric of Israeli society, its national security and its national identity.”

    He says if Israel doesn’t stop it, then “60,000 infiltrators are liable to become 600,000, and lead to the eradication of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state.”


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZD-YOQ-DQ&feature=related
    Do you see the difference yet? What has the black race contributed to man kind? Have they helped the human race? Do they or will they upgrade the society that they are introduced to? Why should we turn them lose on our streets? If you want your children to go to school with them, mate with them,if you want them running around your neighborhood, where you work,eat and live then move to them don’t move them here.


  781. @ Crusader

    If you are asking all those questions then you obviously are an idiot. When you actual care to do some real research on all the blacks have contributed to the betterment of society then it might be worth my time to help in your re-education, but until then…..you are free to live in your delusion.


  782. @ Crusader

    Because I am a nice person I will give you some place to start. http://blackinventor.com/

    Now when your brain has stopped scrambling from all the lies you have been told and you realize that your speech and videos on people in Africa and Israel has nothing to do with black people in the united states ( a land that does not belong to white men I might add and the fact that blacks did not move here but were kidnapped and taken here) then we can talk.


  783. @ Sharina:

    You tell ‘em. :D


  784. “Why do blacks have to move to white countries? Whites wouldn’t hate, demonize, fear or look down on blacks if blacks did not live in our countries. Stop the hate Separate. Its really THAT simple.”

    LOL!

    I needed that…


  785. To paraphrase the words of the late Great Malcolm X, the White Man’s chickens are finally coming home to roost.


  786. Sharina
    Why do all of the so called black inventors have European names? If the black man was ever capable of these inventions he would have had a country full of neat things before and when the Europeans found them.Land will always belong to the conqueror. And for the record your people sold you and yes LOL you have very strong ties to africa. The real black man(your people) is in the videos I posted. History has been written and a website full of lies will not change it. You are an afrocentric preaching delusions of grandeur.Here is the truth but don’t look because it hurts.
    http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx

    http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2012-02-11/black-man.png


  787. Who is that idiot ?
    I have news for you Mr Crusader. I am light-skinned but not white and I don’t believe YOUR lies because they are so petty they are too easily to dispelled. You sound ridiculous as do all the people of your kind.

    Ancient Egyptians operated on patients thousands of years before the Europeans did. Traditional African medicine, in most African countries as they were modeled by the occupier with the help of his weapons and a few traitors, can cure many psychological and somatic illnesses. Maybe you can go see them. That will do you and us some good. You will learn some things you have no idea about and that will leave us some posting space.

    Have a nice trip.


  788. Abagond, is it possible to give Crusader his own thread so that he can talk to his own-oh-so-highly-superior self and let us have serious and interesting conversations together ?

    Mind you, he is also a good object of study in the frame of this very topic. I wonder, how come ethnological studies never focus on his twisted kind ?


  789. This Crusader guy doesn’t even know his geography and mixes the Pacific with the Atlantic, Pacific Islands with Africa. (One doesn’t have to go to far to do so, it’s all in Pirates of the Caribbeans).
    Go read some books before trying to give other people’s lessons.


  790. To the Crusader:

    Your link attributes a racist quote to Darwin:
    http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2012-02-11/black-man.png

    That doesn’t match Darwin’s writing style.

    It actually is a somewhat paraphrased quote from a novel called “The Clansman: An historical romance of the Ku Klux Klan”, by Thomas F. Dixon Jr written in 1905, which was also the basis for the racist film “Birth of a Nation”

    http://www.freefictionbooks.org/books/c/11773-the-clansman-by-thomas-dixon?start=133

    Darwin’s entire body of writings online:
    http://darwin-online.org.uk


  791. Crusador, why does Afro diasporic culture just absolutly dominate and lead by the nose European culture everywhere they brought slaves from Africa? White people just suck off of Afro diasporic culture like a hungry baby on a big breast of nurishing milk…

    What is disgusting is to hear the tyrade of a real chump like you who I guarentee you, if you look at your cultural choices, Id bet the farm that they have Afro diasporic roots….


  792. @ Crusader

    What is a name? You really should ask yourself that. Most blacks were robbed of there culture by then, so why would they have African names? The white name and culture was beaten into them.

    Secondly They had inventions just like every other country. Most inventions white men stole, claimed they made it, taught idiots like you they made it so you can spend your life believing whites made it, and had none alive to tell otherwise. Funny how delusional you are that when presented with black inventions, that you so freely partake of, your first response was denial. That is what years of stupidity and delusion will do to you.

    Thirdly no one sold me because I was born here. My heritage is actually a mixture of white (Irish to be exact), Indian, and black.

    Now maybe you are having a heart attack because the truth hurts you, but I am sorry. The truth far from hurts me. I guess all the great counter responses have you head exploding now….it is ok. I am sure reality will sink in eventually.


  793. @ Crusader

    What does any of those links have to do with what I said to you or even presented to you?? The saddest part about the second link is you are too ignorant to truly comprehend what is actually being said. More over if you did further research then you would find that blacks and Asians and even some other Europeans made it to the Americas years before the half-whit Europeans in big fancy boats. As far as your first link, my 5 year old has a higher IQ than you and I personally know plenty of blacks (some apply themselves and some don’t) that proves those results as hogwash. Then again I tend not to believe every thing someone throws at me and tries to pass it off as facts. You on the other hand seem to need it.


  794. @ Bulanik

    That would require that he actually read and based on his response and the links he posted…I am guessing he does not. LOL!


  795. First of all the Egyptians were not black.Second a negroid is a negroid be it from an island or africa, all of you dwell around the equator because you never could make it in the cold regions unless you are living off of the white man.There is not one black in africa that would not sell his mother to live in a white country.
    While reading through these post I see ignorant remarks from some who should keep their thoughts to themselves.I’m not a racist I’m a realist, enjoy:-)
    The black man uses the excuse of slavery to hate the white man but the truth of the matter is that they envy the white man and every non-negro race because every time they get in or see a fine automobile,(or anything with a wheel for that matter)planes,trains or when they use a smart phone,(or any form of communication other than face to face)computer,gps or any other invention made by great minds they know that they have contributed NOTHING.At the same time the black man marches up and down the street hollering “We’s Equal”and I look at that and say “sure you are” that’s why Nigeria has the best space program,Uganda makes the best computers,Ethiopia makes the finest automobile,Ghana has the finest cities in the world and most of the cures for the diseases that plague mankind are developed in Haiti and lets not forget how they jumped in their clippers to explore and map the world and before that they put on their armor while armed with weapons like the Crossbows,Swords,Halberds they crushed European empires with Trebuchets,catapults and ballistas.I could go on and on and on about the great accomplishments of the negro race but I feel I have made my point.
    What were the black people doing in their native lands 700, 600, 500,400,300,200, 100,50,25,2 years ago,and here we are today every time I turn on the tv some kind of hand out is headed to africa. Why is this? Why are blacks so needy? Africa is agriculturally rich, it has every precious and semi-precious stone known to man,petroleum,gold,and copper and the list goes on and on.With all of this going for it plus the great black man that dwells there, why do they need anything from the outside world. Out of the 54 countries on the african continent a least one of them should be a super power.Why is it that little countries like(to name a few) Iceland, Finland, England and other European countries that don’t have the natural resources like africa does do so much better and always have?You came to bat for the black people, so swing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkp8_Dj1TzA
    http://www.youtube.com/watchv=OoThvKoCXbQ&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLECD1A90C298F1EF4
    Of course you will have to respond using everything that your people had nothing to do with like electricity, English, written language, pc,Internet and so on so I will be waiting for your reply queen of nothing.


  796. @ Crusader

    What does all this have to do with the post?


  797. My people come from the land of the ice and snow for which we have prevailed,we built magnificent civilizations,we built great bridges and dams,cured diseases, we crossed oceans,marched in tactical legions to conquer and colonize foreign lands or to protect our own,explored the unknown,invented the unimaginable,inconceivable, incredible, unbelievable, unthinkable, impossible and the fantastic but yet we just got started. I can claim this what can you claim?


  798. @ Crusader

    Either tell me what this has to do with the post or continue your argument at the thread for the White Inventor Argument:

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/the-white-inventor-argument/

    Otherwise if you continue your ignorant ranting here I will mark you as a source of spam.


  799. Wow, someone’s a jibberjabbering fool.


  800. It’s amazing that those who look down on blacks like them enough to visit their blog to assert their white supremacy. thus, proven the point of the topic at hand. It’s like volunteering to be the perfect example of something terribly wrong.

    Crusader,

    I won’t comment on everything you’ve said because it speaks volumes of your color-aroused hatred you were programmed to follow. I will make a comment about this:

    The black man uses the excuse of slavery to hate the white man but the truth of the matter is that they envy the white man and every non-negro race because every time they get in or see a fine automobile,(or anything with a wheel for that matter)planes,trains or when they use a smart phone,(or any form of communication other than face to face)computer,gps or any other invention made by great minds they know that they have contributed NOTHING.

    The white man has FORCED the black man to love him unconditionally no matter how many times he sh*ts on him. He wants black people to love whiteness more than they do. He reinforces white supremacy at almost every turn hoping that the people he looks down upon loves him through all the sins he has committed, benefited from or both that he can’t come to grips with because that would mean facing the harsh truths.

    And who on Earth taught the black man that he has contributed nothing? Obviously, you’ve been taught that big fat lie and like the sheep that you are, you believed it.

    Why are inventions the basis for your weak-minded argument? Inventions by individuals do not make the entire group for which those individuals are identified with great. But racism makes that stupid generalization whenever white people want to “prove” that they are great and blacks are not. However, they PURPOSELY IGNORE many great contributions by blacks at ANY time. That’s unfair and illogical because it focuses on one group at the expense of another.

    Crusader, let me make one thing clear. All you’ve down was prove the point of this post, and you’ve done it so well.


  801. I commend all of you who even took the time to respond to this Idiot Crusader.

    These race realist are attracted to Abagond like flies on sh’t and make as much noise.

    I hope all of our ‘race realist’ friends are taking Spanish and Chinese language classes because while they and the rest of America (white) keeps focusing on blacks and legal/illegal Mexicans in America, China will call in America’s trillion dollar debt and start taking over their property in the USA real soon…


  802. Crusader is a living metaphor. So white that he is actually becoming transparent.


  803. “I hope all of our ‘race realist’ friends are taking Spanish and Chinese language classes …. China will call in America’s trillion dollar debt and start taking over their property in the USA real soon…”

    *****

    Culminating with the beginning of the United States of China, and the end of the *Model Minority* stereotype that will undoubtedly be replaced with much less flattering ones from yesteryear. “REALISTS” (aka racist whites) would have someone to hate and demonize more than blacks.

    Knowing whiteness’ propensity for violence and control of all things and people, the USA (and the west) imo would rather start a cataclysmic nuclear war with China (and her allies) than go quietly into submission. These are certainly interesting times!


  804. The black man uses the excuse of slavery to hate the white man but the truth of the matter is that they envy the white man and every non-negro race because every time they get in or see a fine automobile,(or anything with a wheel for that matter)planes,trains or when they use a smart phone,(or any form of communication other than face to face)computer,gps or any other invention made by great minds they know that they have contributed NOTHING.

    The above argument is carefully crafted to utterly implode the self-esteem and confidence of black people, to make them feel like NOTHING, so they can go back to being the humble servants of their “betters” (i.e. whites). It’s easy to have a docile people at your beck and call when you constantly remind them they contributed NOTHING because they are NOTHING.

    Amazing how all of these attempts to devalue black existence always loop back towards returning black people to their previous “peculiar” condition. It underlines the unfathomable sickness of “whiteness” and white supremacy.

    The white man has FORCED the black man to love him unconditionally no matter how many times he sh*ts on him. He wants black people to love whiteness more than they do. He reinforces white supremacy at almost every turn hoping that the people he looks down upon loves him through all the sins he has committed, benefited from or both that he can’t come to grips with because that would mean facing the harsh truths.

    Just as human beings demand unerring loyalty from dogs, the white man demands the same from his black and brown counterparts. You either love the white man or you hate him – there’s no such thing as “middle ground” on this issue.


  805. @ Linda

    I guess it is a good thing my 5 year old insisted on learning Chinese this year. LOL!


  806. You said it Linda. In my country, in the capital city, Paris, these idiots are making money selling historic buildings like chocolate rolls, mostly to the Arabic Peninsula states. And then they make the people believe that “Arabs” (those of our French citizens who have North African parents and grand-parents) are abusing the social system…


  807. No one needs scientific proof to SEE that Ancient Egyptians were Africans. Looking at Amenophis’s dynasty’s statues is enough. https://www.google.com/search?q=amenhotep+iii&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=6Ju&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvnsb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=7Qc1UKq0EbCy0QGjy4D4DQ&ved=0CFwQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=787

    Not seeing it means you suffer from mental blindness.

    Plus, go to a museum with an African, let him/her visit the Sarcophagi and mummis rooms and see his/her reaction (“These people -Europeans- are savages ! How Can you take people out of their tombs and expose them like this ! This is sick !”) ! I actually have always thought exactly the same. If all the artifacts that are exposed in museums were brought back where they belong, the greatest of all civilizations would be visible. Museums are just a way to lie about history, by splitting the cultural wealth of other people’s apart.

    Then take the African visitor to the Ancient Egyptian everyday life artifacts room. Even more edifying: this is what happened to me:

    There we are looking at combs, hoes, files, scissors, and others technological, metallic objects.

    A French woman tells her daughter: “Look these are the objects Pharaoh and the queens used.”

    Here comes the African: “Oh, look ! What is my grand-ma’s stuff from the village doing here ?”

    What more proof do the idiots and liars need ?


  808. Amenhotep III ^^

    Queen Tyie looks exactly like an African woman I know very well. Same face, same eyes, same skin color.

    People like Cheik Anta Diop have proven long ago that Subsaharian languages are linked to Ancient Egyptian. A traditional Tsuti from present Rwanda haircut is the exact copy of the Pharaoh’s so called “headdress”. It was in fact their hair, and the little curls on them that look like decoration to a Euro-centrist eye are hair curls.

    But they just don’t want to see it.


  809. Racism really makes totally blind ! And transforms in such liars:

    Drawing:
    http://www.suziemanley.com/famous_egyptians/amenhotep_3_and_tiye.htm

    Originals:
    http://wysinger.homestead.com/tiye.html

    I mean, what more do they need ?


  810. on Wed 22 Aug 2012 at 17:44:06 the_noeticist

    This idea of “dichotomous thinking” is actually brilliantly perceptive. I’ve noticed this, as well, with white people but hadn’t put a fabulous name on it.

    For example, think about when you discuss crime with white supremacists. One thing they love to say is that black people support criminals. (Notice there is never a qualifier in this statement.) They like to say that there is always some black person (typically a woman because, apparently, black women are liable to fall into “Oh, lawd!” fits at any moment) saying, “Tyrone was a good boy,” when Tyrone is arrested for something.

    To white people, anyone who is ever or has ever been charged with a crime is the Devil Incarnate.* To them, there can be no context for the action, no reasoning that could possibly explain what caused the person to do what they do. They’re just evil people with no redeeming qualities. And never, ever suggest that something beyond themselves could have caused an action! That’d get white folks real mad.

    Black people don’t do this. Black people are nuanced because we have to be–our lives were/are harder, wrought by tough decisions and stressful circumstances. Like Sethe’s killing of Beloved in Morrison’s novel was not painted like she was a monster for doing it; it was painted in the colors of reality: greys. White people obviously have no understanding of this, which is sad. But it would be pointless to outline how simple-minded they are–it might upset some delicate balance (pardon the pun)…

    * Unless the person is white (Rodney King cops) or a white woman (she gets grey, like those they-just-have-to-be-mental female sex abuser teachers) or an honorary white accused of killing someone black (George Zimmerman).


  811. What does “the true black man” mean anyway? I don’t like throwing this word around but my geez, this person is just plain stupid, like quintessential, not even trying, don’t look at my penis, coattail hanger-on, cartoon, stupid. I hope he realizes that there are A LOT of “the true white man” moments which would make “his people” look far less than human, if one cares to look at the world in a narrow, self serving, dishonest, out of context bullsh*t manner like he’s doing. And I bet those would send these types into a rage because now they can post a link somewhere showing “proof” of how their divine group is under attack and they all can start their circle jerk. “Crusader” LOL, just so rich, unoriginal but rich nonetheless, so keep diggin..uhh I mean talking!


  812. Gen
    This is not some fringe group that I posted this is a way of life and you should be ashamed for denying your people. And you don’t have to look hard at all to find the truth.


  813. white civilisation at its finest


  814. Genocide in Uganda


  815. This is what I mean by a white racist cant see anything of value in ancient African traditions….they are blinded by their racism, they miss so much, what a putrid existance , wallowing in the sewage of their racist drek..the foul stench of their ignorance is overwelming


  816. @B. R

    “white civilisation at its finest”

    I think it’s noble you believe Nazi Germany was tied to all white civilisations. You do know that without the efforts of the allies, only whites would have probably existed if Germany had won the war and the (white)allies decided not to fight against their own brothers and sisters.

    Face it, If you bring up Germany it’s moot to attribute it to “white” civilisation if whites actively fought against what Germany was doing, instead of sitting back and allowing it.

    I think you try too hard, I really do.


  817. The white people in this video are the real sob’s, the scum of the earth..so much to be proud of , eh Crusador?


  818. No , Yawn, dont bore me, if this chump can run his mouth like that with his unfair examples, and if you buy it, you all need to suck on what Im brining in


  819. It is actually interesting that you would bring up the Rwandan genocide, which has its roots in the partition into “races” of a people that was united under its own rules BEFORE the Europeans arrived and DECIDED that one group ‘Tsutis” were “superior” to the other “Hutus”, on the ground that these people had different physical features. Our admirable civilization and its formidable creation called the theory of races has had horrible implications right in the middle of Africa. It is POISON.

    And you are seriously “grave”, as we would say in France, and admirably illustrate Narcissistic Personality Disorder.


  820. Yawn, Whiteness had crush Hitler because he was the psychopath/ Narcissist that they try not to show whiteness creates. He was going to bring down whiteness, because he was attacking whites… Cannibalism. As Aimé Césaire said,“What he [the European or white man] cannot forgive Hitler for is not the crime in itself, the crime against man…it is the crime against the white man…the fact that he applied to Europe colonialist procedures which until then had been reserved exclusively for the Arabs…the ‘coolies’…the ‘niggers’” (Discourse on Colonialism – a book to read…)

    A little like what’s happening on the financial level in Europe these days. After attacking the rest of the world, they are coming after their own, and THAT is not okay. It”s cannibalism on a large scale.
    Aimé Césaire said this on capitalism (which is the sister of racism and colonialism): Hitler “makes it possible to see things on a large scale and to grasp the fact that capitalist society, at its present stage, is incapable of establishing a concept of the rights of all men, just as it has proved (in)capable of establishing a system of individual ethics”


  821. The White Inventor argument is off topic here. Those who want to pursue it can do so here:

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/the-white-inventor-argument/


  822. @B. R.

    “No , Yawn, dont bore me, if this chump can run his mouth like that with his unfair examples, and if you buy it, you all need to suck on what Im brining in”

    So let him run his mouth, all he’s doing is proving a point by provoking you into a response. You think he really cares what intellect you bring to the table? it goes in one ear and out the other, I should know I was exactly how he was when I was younger.

    “This is what I mean by a white racist cant see anything of value in ancient African traditions….they are blinded by their racism”

    I do agree with this though.

    @Cornlia

    It’s interesting how you Europeans keep posting paragraphs of stuff to respond to me, when I do not engage/care to engage in conversation.

    You just remind me of a Sam copy, and that is in itself a put off. You try too hard aswell, but for difference reasons altogether. Seems White Europeans are already being programmed to forget/destory a discription of “white” even though you’ll never see any other people who be arab/indian/asian/black do so ever in regards to “race”.

    Do you think you parading around saying “Demolish race theory” is going to impact everyone? Please, so far the only people who are actively trying to are whites in the western world, while ever other “race” still prances around calling themselves asian/black/etc race. So in the end, “whites” are gone, but every other race still exists, hell ask Tyrone if he’ll ever get rid of the black race thought process, I’ll bet nope, not a chance.

    If I’d ever care about the topic, I’d follow those nasty white nationalists would be correct in the assumption that they’re being killed off… but, seeing as I’m mixed I personally couldn’t care.

    Hope you enjoy seeing Tyrone preech of a black world, cause race theory is NOT what’s causing the worlds problems at the moment.