Some White American commenters say that this blog is anti-white. They seem to think the purpose of this blog is to make white people feel bad or look bad.
They say stuff like:
- It is anti-American and anti-Western.
- It is like the Nazis or Stormfront (the Klan website) or RTLM (the Rwandan radio station that called Tutsis cockroaches and called for their genocide).
- It is part of the “race grievance industry”, keeping racism alive.
I would like to say: “Of course I am anti-white! There is plenty about whites to be anti about!”
But it is messier than that:
- I am not anti-white. I am anti-racist. I would like to think that there is a difference between the two, between the sin and the sinner, between being racist and being white. Whenever I say something bad about whites it almost always has to do with their racism. Calling out racism is not racist. Even when I mock them, I am mocking their racism, not their ethnicity:
- I do not make fun of how they talk or dress or look.
- I do not make fun of the food they eat or the names they give their children.
- I do not hold up their poorest and most criminal elements as “what white people are like”.
- I do not excuse violence against them saying that whites kill each other all the time.
- I do not say their women are objectively ugly.
- I do not make racist jokes about them.
- I do not call them racial slurs or compare them to animals.
- I do not call for their genocide or ethnic cleansing.
- My blog is not meant for white people. Therefore it is not meant to make them think or feel a certain way. I discovered early on that most white people are beyond my powers of persuasion. Whites are not racist because they lack facts or proper reasoning. It goes deeper than that. It is way more irrational than that. I cannot make most of them see the light because they do not want to see the light. But by not writing for them that means:
- Some whites read my blog through a heavy layer of white guilt or a Fragile White Ego and get upset. Like two-year-olds they make their feelings the Centre of the Universe. Like two-year-olds they cannot tell the difference between anger and hatred. “Mommy doesn’t hate you, sweetie. She just does not like the bad thing you did.”
- The R-word: I think the main thing that upsets them is how I think most whites are racist. At least 80% of White Americans are racist to some degree. Not so much the Jim Crow racism of open hatred or scientific racism but the colour-blind racism that assumes whites are better than blacks, that American society is more or less fair and therefore blacks must be screwed up. The very kind of racism, in fact, that sees blacks as “whining”.
See also:
The way u kiss white people’s butts here? Yeah, ok..
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All they have to do is whine and u scurry to do their bidding..It actually would be amusing if it weren’t so pathetic.
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Abagond, I am one of your White readers. I know that you say you do not write for White people, but your blog is a gift to me – and likely to other White readers as well. You help me see things that society has taught me not to see. Thank you for that.
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Abagond. I find this piece you just released quite surprising. I am white and I feel slightly upset that you felt the need to explain yourself to the white readers of YOUR blog. The white people who don’t like it yet your reading it, well… that is the definition of insanity in my book…to keep doing something to see if a different result finally occurs in your favor. Anger and hate are two different things as you state and I read you as being very upset with the state of things in race relations in this country. I agree with about 50% of your content, respect 100% of your point of view. I did appreciate that you said most whites and 80% of whites are racist because that is probably correct, at least you didn’t say “all”. As for me I don’t FEEL like I am a racist, but I do know I have issues with one group of people and they are not African American. I know it’s wrong because you can’t group all into one…but it’s a trust issue, I will go no further…at least I admit it.
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Real talk. These Closeted White Bigots can eat diseased cow manure.
This racist system will fall before our lifetime.
And I am here for it.
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Abagond:
” I discovered early on that most white people are beyond my powers of persuasion. ”
I am learning this the hard way. I am not white, nor black. A heavy shade of brown and have seen my share of stuff (which pales in comparison to what stuff black people see here in the US). Most of my good friends are white.
When I correct them that its “Native American” and not “Indian”, many of them brush it off like its nothing or my opinion is not serious. Some of them get angry.
When it comes to racism, I feel scared, lonely and alone. Your blog is one place I can find some sanity. There are things I may not agree with you on (religion for example), but sociologically this blog has managed to hit the bullseye so to speak.
Adonis:
“This racist system will fall before our lifetime.”
I dont think so. I am more pessimistic about it. Racism is not a uniquely white people problem. At the moment it is. I think Humanity is wired to be bigoted and when another group gets power, they will become the new racists. I have lost hope in humanity. (This statement does not mean I excuse the white racists and in any way condone the crimes they have committed)
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But as a privileged segment of American society and “now” seeing things that you have been taught not to see , how is that not similar to reading an article that would potentially instruct you how to eat food in a way that it would digest more efficiently ? True , you’ll potentially have a healthier GI tract … but everything has been working pretty well for you so far . After you develop problems in your gut , then , and only then are you willing to change . Things have been going relatively well for white people for quite a while now ; Why in the world would “any” white person want that to change??.
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I occasionally read ur blog and find insight in what ur saying. So forgive if I’m wrong that the impression I get is that you’re stating that if you are white you must be racist, like its part of your DNA. I will never deny the atrocities done by white people but to feel guilt for those things is simply rediculous to even consider. Racism is learned by example. My parents never taught me to be racist. I may be judgmental on how people dress or how they carry themselves in public but being racist is not even close.
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It is important to point out and stand up against racism and hate.
Keep up your good work, Abagond.
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great abagond, I was thinking about the difference between anti white and anti racist today, and I came up with this. If they say “not all white ppl are racist” then why do they get offended and upset when u are anti racist? don’t they know they contradict themselves because if u think being anti racist is being anti white t,hen u are basically saying all whites are racist, instead of looking at it as we are against the racist whites not all whites. If u don’t fall into that category don’t get upset we are not talking about u. Same thing with reparations they say ” my family didn’t own any slaves” but they will be against reparations if u didn’t have anything to do with owning slaves then why are u concerned that the ones that did may pay for their wrongs? it makes no sense, I don’t get upset if someone calls out some black women for their foul behavior just as long as they say some and recognize there are good black women then idc.
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No racism will not go away it is passed down and even if it did go away there will be another thing to take its place, colorism. And even if whites disappeared there are other poc that don’t like black ppl.
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and its not just whites that think being anti racist is being anti white hell some lost black ppl think its the same too, smh.no its anti racist not anti white. *sigh* some folks don’t know the difference between anti racist and anti white and white supremacy and black supremacy, newsflash there can only be one supremacy at a time so there is no black supremacy while there is white supremacy.
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how do ppl say it is anti American, smh naw Monsanto, and all those greedy corporations are anti American making ppl do what they want and not allowing farmers to keep their seed that isn’t gmo. But ok attack the messenger attack the ppl that are trying to point out the wrongs in this country and its u are anti American. Yeah ok.
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I won’t even post on ur blogs because of the way u kowtow to these white supremacist’s , ur blog is for white people as they control the content the people who post here and u. u r a white supremacist by default, and it’s a damned shame.I know u actually believe that ur content is fresh and genuine, there is no way it can be, u cannot tell the truth here ur sole job here is to NOT offend white people. Ur a Tom. Plain and simple.
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Get rid of racism? That will be WWIII..All the isms and schisma wrought by white supremacy will be addressed @ that time and it will occur in our lifetime, every living thing on this planet has sighed the sigh of immeasureable suffering being held hostage and our freedoms held in sway by this monstrous race, Now go whine to u know who because I am saying things u don’t like and he’ll come and delete me like the good little Tom he is..
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A post for little ol’ me? How thoughtful! You list many things I haven’t alleged while ignoring the one thing I have. You single out whites for special condemnation while minimizing and excusing others for similar actions. You’ve even written several posts trying to discredit those who point it out. You call it a “fig leaf” but your ‘fig leaf argument’ is the real fig leaf. The fact you resorted to straw men in this posts shows you’re being dishonest.
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I know ur not talking to me..lol. Wow..What r u rambling on about?
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This blog is racist because if u do not placate the white supremacists who “run” this board they will start fights with u and delete ur commentary.
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Nothing wrong with being “anti-white”. Africans worldwide would be better off and more respected if they refused to accommodate their oppressors.
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Just the fact that anyone’s status as “anti-white” would be called into question after our history with the white race is , in effect, racist. We r not entitled to feel anything but “good” about living under the boot of white supremacy? lol.
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Abagond , you may not be anti white , but the mood of this blog has ripped some anti white racists apart , I wonder if anti white racism really is the prevailing factor of this blog…?
You have to understand that, some people do make the anti white positions…in answering them, like the anti interracial sex political agenda , I dont think it reflects you…
And my busting militant rhetoric of the sixties against interracial relatianships and the ties into their support and aligning with Mão and embracing The Little Red Book , all stuff I found thanks to your encouragement, if you can say we are in agreement that I wasnt derailing, then Im totaly on board you arnt anti white…
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@ abagond
That is why ALL racism is racism/white supremacy.
Racism is NOT about not “liking” someone of another group or refusing to date someone of another group. That might be called bigotry but it is an INDIVIDUAL behavior of an INDIVIDUAL PERSON.
Racism is a systematic way of harming people of another group AND that requires POWER and SYSTEMS and the collective agreement by that racist group to support and participate in the mistreatment of people outside that group
The ONLY people on the planet who systematically exhibit these kind of BEHAVIORS toward people JUST because they look different — no matter where they go — from North America to Africa to New Zealand and Australia, etc are
white people
for those who disagree, you should be able to put a BLACK FACE or a NON-WHITE FACE on all the behaviors below:
I do not make fun of how they talk or dress or look.
I do not make fun of the food they eat or the names they give their children.
I do not hold up their poorest and most criminal elements as “what white people are like”.
I do not excuse violence against them saying that whites kill each other all the time.
I do not say their women are objectively ugly.
I do not make racist jokes about them.
I do not call them racial slurs or compare them to animals.
I do not call for their genocide or ethnic cleansing.
AND
I would add two more things:
1. black (and non-white) people do not spend ANY amount of time turning the image of white people into “Halloween costumes” or sport team mascots
2. black (and non-white) people do not waste our time creating “jokes” about white people, such as the HUGE inventory of jokes created by whites about non-white and especially, black people, possibly because we’re too busy defending ourselves against ethnic jokes.
White people and their non-white sympathizers can deny this all their want but the EVIDENCE of such behaviors among mostly white people tells a different story.
And I suspect most whites know EXACTLY what I’m talking about
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Black people do not hang out on “white” websites solely to harass intimidate and mock white people and announce , as if anyone cared, how we don’t find their women “attractive.” Only white people do this, funny, they found us “attractive” during slavery..lol.
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I do not make fun of how they talk or dress or look.
Yes you do. On your “whites are individuals” broken records page, you show a bunch of similar-looking white women, implying that white people look alike and that all whites are the same.
I do not say their women are objectively ugly.
You’ve stated that you think black women are sexier and more beautiful than white women.
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I do not make fun of how they talk or dress or look.
Yes you do. On your “whites are individuals” broken records page, you show a bunch of similar-looking white women, implying that white people look alike and that all whites are the same.
I do not say their women are objectively ugly.
You’ve stated that you think black women are sexier and more beautiful than white women.
And that obviously bothered u, why would the preferences of a race u deem “inferior” bother u and I am almost certain u have no problem when ur white counterparts engage in the same behavior. Ur a racist and a hypocrite. The fact that a black man wants to be with his own black woman is a source of consternation for the white race that is why O disagree with allowing ur race to meddle in our affairs because ur only objective is to twist and pervert us from our natural paths.
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I admire your uneuthemistic posts about racism. However you act like every white person does these things. This is true of the majority, or at least a controlling percentage of the population, but associating all white people with racism is racist. Your hypocrisy is astounding. I don’t see why you don’t get it.
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I do not make fun of how they talk or dress or look.
Yes you do. On your “whites are individuals” broken records page, you show a bunch of similar-looking white women, implying that white people look alike and that all whites are the same.
I do not say their women are objectively ugly.
You’ve stated that you think black women are sexier and more beautiful than white women.
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@Vajackster
But here is the problem with that idea. In most of his post he clearly says majority or many. So it then becomes not his fault but the individuals who fail to read it in the first place.
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And that bothers u just like it bothers all white people. when a black man loves his own woman and prefers her to a white woman, that is why ur race spends so much time inundating us with mind-control via the media to make us believe that whites r “better” and “more beautiful” than we are and that we actually need u. But of course it shouldn’t bother us when our men marry white or if we access ur white racist media and r constantly inundated with imagery showing the black man stepping over black women to get to white ones. That don’t bother u at all.
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I admire your uneuthemistic posts about racism. However you act like every white person does these things. This is true of the majority, or at least a controlling percentage of the population, but associating all white people with racism is racist. Your hypocrisy is astounding. I don’t see why you don’t get it.
I have never met a white person that wasn’t “racist” sorry, I have met white people who have made overtures to convince me that they weren’t racist but have never met one that wasn’t, so I’m a racist? This argument whilst projecting the malady of u and ur race on the victims of white supremacy is amusing..
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@Dave Myers
If you really want to consider it well. Not every white person should fear being called a racist by every single misunderstanding. Good white people should not be so easily painted with the same brush as the bad ones that seek to make it hard on them. Racism is not something that effects just non-whites but whites as well. Yea it looks good on the outside but it is being eaten away like rotting flesh on the inside. This way can not and will not hold or sustain for long. Sure you can enjoy it but what will it look like for future generations who amazingly have to deal with the messed up sh*t of past generations.
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@ Vajackster
Nobody is talking about (or cares) how individual whites feel about us OR if they think black females (like me) are ugly. They have the right to feel that way as long as they don’t trample on anyone else’s rights
The problem is white racism extends itself past this to harm and malign black and non-white people — which can lead to job discrimination, inferior schools, police brutality, unjust incarceration, even death
An example of how whites use their POWER and SYSTEMS to harm black people is the entertainment industry SYSTEM
which pays racists like Don Imus and Russ Limbaugh MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to say ugly things about black people and non-white people and call black females ugly.– and that HARMS other people and tramples on their right to be treated with respect and dignity
Don Imus has a HUGE white following and is estimated to have the biggest audience in america — because a lot of whites OBVIOUSLY agree with him
There is NO black talk show host on radio or television in America that talks about the flat butts of white females or how ugly he or she thinks they are or that poor whites represent all white people or that white people are stupid, etc.
THAT is the difference.
And for a black man to say on his PERSONAL BLOG that he thinks black women are sexier is NOT the same thing as saying white females are ugly.
Are whites so insecure that they are threatened by a black male who thinks his own women are the most attractive?
YES
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It’s like all they do all damned day long is think about us.It;’s an unholy obsession a whole entire construct built around their fear and envy of US.
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When black people love themselves and their race that is a direct affront to these whites when we are happy and content that is a direct affront to these whites when we engage in independent though? Direct affront to whites and that is why all of these things that guarantee our freedom and autonomy from the white race are under attack.
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…And white women ARE ugly
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@ deepdkchocolate
I agree. Like you said, black people rarely spend any time on white supremacist websites but maybe we should so we can better understand what we are dealing with
Of course, I’m not saying all whites are in total agreement with those bloggers, but I do not believe that they are in total disagreement, either.
I suspect the two groups are closer than they claim to be
They study us and imitate us and sex us and covet whatever we have — yet they say we are inferior. How is that possible that people imitate and sex inferior people? Doesn’t make any sense…
Definitely, an unhealthy mentality BUT a very effective one when plotting against one’s enemies and devising schemes to defeat them
and so far, blacks are far behind in our understanding of white people — which is why we are losing the war so badly
Like that old saying goes — keep your friends close and your enemies closer
that is why they study us as thoroughly as they do — in my opinion
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@Lokee
“I think Humanity is wired to be bigoted and when another group gets power, they will become the new racists. I have lost hope in humanity.”—I am beginning to wonder about this as well so you are not alone.
@Steve
You have to look at it like this…there are white people who have committed atrocities, but just because there are white people who have done this that does not mean you have done this. Those people share your skin color but they are not you.
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@TrojanPam
“I suspect the two groups are closer than they claim to be.”—I suspect the same thing. I also have been wondering if all the trouble with racism and the like is the work of some much higher up whites than the everyday whites. I could be wrong but I have been pondering a lot of different things as of late.
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@ sharina
” I also have been wondering if all the trouble with racism and the like is the work of some much higher up whites than the everyday whites”
I think yes the elite whites do instigate things and have been telling everyday whites at least u aren’t black and trying to keep ppl fighting. But at the same time the everyday whites are the ones killing black ppl and saying things. The everyday whites are the ones defending the elite whites and helping to make them richer all the while they don’t care about them either. The everyday whites are the ones defending this country everytime someone points out any wrongdoing or hypocrisies. They don’t realize they aren’t worth anything to the elite ones either that is why they are shocked they were spying on them and why they are shocked when anything happens to them that the elites didn’t protect them from. I’m learning that just because u the same skin tone don’t mean u playin for the same team or working toward the same goal.
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as for them being mad that a black male says he prefers or likes black women rofl. I had to call the fools out a couple months ago when they were mad that some vids had a black man singing about black women and calling it racist. if u are ok with black being called a b1tch and a h.0 in music vids or wherever but get mad that they are called woman, queen, beautiful then the vid or whatever is not racist but u are. U are ok with black women being disrespected but the moment we are respected and loved its a problem? Yeah ok take notes ppl that is their fear of us black women being loved and respected by a man and not just any man but a black man. Trust whenever a man loves and respects a woman he WILL protect her and defend her. Thatt is what scares them is black men defending and protecting us. Ask urself how is it white women are on a pedestal? here’s the answer they didn’t get up there by themselves their men put them up there and they are worried black men will put us on a pedestal and be equal to them.
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MsTooGood, this last comment of yours reminds me of the following quote from “Chris Rock’s 1999 Bigger and Blacker TV special:
“Racism everywhere. Who’s the maddest people? White people.
No, you watch the TV, watch 60 Minutes. You see white people pissed off, man.
Man, the white man thinks he’s losing the country.
You watch the news: “We’re losing everything. We’re fucking losing. Affirmative action and illegal aliens… and we’re fucking losing the country.”
Losing? Shut the fuck up. White people ain’t losing shit.
If y’all losing, who’s winning? It ain’t us.
Shit, there ain’t a white man in this room that would change places with me.
None of you would change places with me. And I’m rich!
That’s how good it is to be white.
There’s a white, one-legged busboy in here right now… that won’t change places with my black ass.
He’s going, “Nah, man, I don’t wanna switch. I wanna ride this white thing out. See where it takes me.”
That’s right, ’cause when you white, the sky’s the limit.”
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Abagond, your blog is NOT anti White. They just don’t understand where he is coming from with his posts because they live in this world that White is right and anything that isn’t up to their beliefs is wrong and anti White. They see anything that is pro Black as anti White.
What is up with that?
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Comment in moderation references your msTooGood’s comment on the white elite vs “regular” whites.
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@mstoogood4yall
Well said.
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@Stacks
I was going to ignore your comment, but could not. That is your opinion but to be frank…there are pretty and ugly in every race.
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Some trolls actually believe that to be anti-racist is to be anti-white. In other words, you hate the game. That means you hate the player.
I feel that PoC should never have to explain themselves to white people, especially trolls who’s devoid of humanity to want to keep things the way they are. To them a PoC loving themselves and other PoC and fighting for the rights and privileges afforded to white people is seen as wrong, racist, a disgraceful sin.
To a lot of racist trolls, analyzing, criticizing and deconstructing white racism is no different than lynching black people. How on Earth they came up with a connection is beyond me, but then again, maybe they’re just using wimpy tactics to shift guilt.
These fools that pop-up and whine about how we’re racist against white people are afraid of their own guilt coming to the surface and that their reality is cracking. They know deep down inside that what we’re saying is true, but their cowardice in the form of white privilege prevents them from actual introspection and critical thinking.
None of us should have to worry about what these trolls think, because they rarely do think.
I know in my heart of hearts that there’s something wrong with the world, and I’m trying my damnest not to give into the propaganda that I or my people are what’s wrong with it. I also know that whatever’s wrong with the world is condemning all people, including whites.
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That “I do not” list is extremely powerful. I don’t think it’s even remotely reasonable to say you’re anti White, you have done a number of posts on internal racism, as well; you’ve looked at things full spectrum and all facets. Many individuals (if they approached the posts with an open mind), could take from it. There’s definitely a difference between talking about racism and being racist. I just had an experience of it a day ago; one can disagree with you discussing it, move on, and rarely encounter such a thing, again. I don’t get to choose being Black.
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@Mstoogood4yall, Please watch “The Drop Squad” you will laugh, and it will make you think about some things.
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When we are venting about our experiences a majority of white disreguard our experience. We are reacting to what has happened to us. But, they call it whinning, oppression Olympics. Instead of trying to understand and have empathy. That is what makes us angry, when our pain is disreguarded and not acknowledged. “You people need to get over it” or “My people didn’t own slaves” *SIGH*
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@ mary
Ok I will watch it next week.
@ pay it forward
lol chris rock is funny and conscious I love him.
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rofl oppression Olympics never heard that one.
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@Pay It Forward: I remember that Chris Rock doing that routine, And it was all the truth.
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@ mary
We can’t expect them to acknowledge our pain when we ourselves don’t acknowledge it or suppress it. Or we don’t acknowledge each other’s pains and struggles. I mean how many times have we seen black males and black females going at it and arguing because they don’t see each other’s pain or are too busy saying mine is more painful than yours. I’m starting to not care what other ppl are or are not doing, I can’t control them and have no intentions to. If white ppl acknowledge our struggles good if not that’s ok to me because they don’t make me who I am so they can’t destroy who I am.
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@mstoogood4yall: You are wise beyond your years. Like your comment. Right on the money.
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TrojanPam-
I agree. Like you said, black people rarely spend any time on white supremacist websites but maybe we should so we can better understand what we are dealing with
Of course, I’m not saying all whites are in total agreement with those bloggers, but I do not believe that they are in total disagreement, either.
I suspect the two groups are closer than they claim to be
They study us and imitate us and sex us and covet whatever we have — yet they say we are inferior. How is that possible that people imitate and sex inferior people? Doesn’t make any sense…
Definitely, an unhealthy mentality BUT a very effective one when plotting against one’s enemies and devising schemes to defeat them
and so far, blacks are far behind in our understanding of white people — which is why we are losing the war so badly
Like that old saying goes — keep your friends close and your enemies closer
that is why they study us as thoroughly as they do — in my opinion
There is not much to white people, they hate us and r out to destroy us. That has all they have ever done. They r envious and covetous of us, it ain;t that hard to tell.
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@Brothawolf
I agree.
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I had been planning to move to America in a few short years, but the contentions relating to race have left me somewhat ambivalent. I’m thinking Canada now, but I bet it’s just as bad there. Racism seems to be extremely overt in the US. I think it’s because it was founded on it, it can’t seem to shake its dna. It’s a shame. The US was every country’s role model at one point, but these things cause us all to look on, at it, as “stained.” America doesn’t realise how much it’s mocked over these things, it (the elites) don’t register the rest of the world noticing it’s hypocrisy, its extreme White supremacism, its injustice. I used to think you were better than the UK, but you’re far behind. We notice, we all do, and we view it as undignified and childish. Sorry.
In truth, the problems are in the numbers. Hispanics are on the come up. It’s about being a MINORITY. If we would only build families, “be fruitful and multiply,” apply ourselves to building our own businesses, making our own way in the US, we would gain in class and we would eventually begin closing the gap in sheer numbers. You may not want to hear it, it may sound radical, even ridiculous, but it’s the only way. Sorry.
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Asians hate black people a lot more than white people hate black people.
Asians make fun of black people, their culture and their features.
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“rainmaker:
“Asians hate black people a lot more than white people hate black people.
Asians make fun of black people, their culture and their features.”
Talk about a pathetic, deflection. -_-
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Its relative, EbonyMonroe…
I am American, living in Brazil. a country with more Afro descendants than America, and when I go back to the States, there is a dramatic differance in upward mobility of black Americans
Its almost painful to see…
The diologue of race is so much more hightened in the USA than most places, so, what is wrong with america and racism, gets more attention
Now, the figures of upward mobility for black Americans in comparison to whites is dissmal…
Racism, injustice, unfairness and the legacy of slavery are true in America, but, somehow, black Americans can play this system better than black Brazilians can
The dope smoking , slave owning, raping founding fathers didnt create their system for black people or minorities, but, the system they created is beatable in comparison to Brazil for black people…I cant say if that is true elsewhere
But, Brazil is much more like the United States than Briton, as far as population numbers and the “races”
but, this higher racial diologue takes a toll..it creates stress , a black person could go to Brazil and say they feel less stressful about race and racism…but, if they spend any time there, they will start to notice huge descrepancies between whites and all other types of people…they own it and run it
You see many more black Americans , in america, traveling, staying at high end hotels, owning businesses, in the media, of course,its still a racist media by any standard, but, Brazil is only now starting to integrate its media..the black shows in Brazil are American,black Brazilians recognise black American power
I just read when the French director was trying to make Black Orpheus in Brazil in the late 50’s, there was concern for the reaction of the white elite at showing black people as representing Brazil
Of course, Afro Brazilian culture is more powerful in brazil, than America, but you have to dig for it
If black culture is a criteria for feeling some comfort to be around, brazil and america are going to have more to offer than briton, even with more racism
That is the pull for me in brazil, a huge Afro diasporic culture
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This is what i can’t stand with a passion…
I say to someone, “The majority of white people are racist” ( which means not all of white people, for those white people that have poor, comprehension skills )
Some house Negro or Negresses that’s quick to defend white people or a white person will say, “wait, you can’t say that, not ALL white people are racist!”
First off, saying the Majority of white people are racist, isn’t saying they are all racist.
Second, AND? what the hell does that suppose to mean anyway? So by pointing out that, “not all white people are racist”, you’re saying that A small MINORITY is not racist. So black people are suppose to sleep good at night, knowing that a small minority of white people, aren’t racist?
Lets say hypothetically, ( maybe not so hypothetical, being this could actually happen in some parts of America ), Every single white person, that you have come across, you’re entire life, has discriminated against you and treated you with such disdain, because the color of your skin. Only but ONE, white person is your entire life has not treated you this way.
How would you feel, if some white person said to you, “wait, not all white people are racist!” So i should just be a thankful negro, that not ALL but one white person, that hasn’t been racist, towards me?
Then the House Negro or Negress approaches me and says, ” at least one white person, wasn’t racist towards you!
Its a slap in the face as it shows that the person speaking those words, really doesn’t give a rats ass about you or your plight and for the house Negro and Negress, it shows how they are slaves of white supremacy and are white identified sell outs, that just want to get along with whites and not start any trouble.
I focus on the MAJORITY, i can care less about the minority of white people, that “proclaim” they’re not racist and even that’s suspect!
The MAJORITY RULES!, NOT THE MINORITY!
The statement suggests that, because not ALL white people are racist, it gives racism and racist whites a pass and more particularly, any white person that makes such a statement, so racist whites and racism go unchallenged by using this ridiculous logic and it keeps black people, stagnant on race relations, between whites.
For the House Negros and Negresses that makes this statement…you already know. White washed, white identified, sellouts that make every excuse for their white masters!
They know who they are and they’re on this blog, the ones that promote white on and black love, over black on black love on a black identified blog, operated and owned by a black man. White supremacy is at work on this very blog!
Time waits for no man….
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Kiwi:
Coming up next:
Asians invented the n-word!
ya know? ^_^
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@Sharina: Yes, I know there are pretty and ugly in every race, but I honestly think white women are disgusting to me, literally. Pink flesh and flat butt just don’t do it for me.
As far as the blog topic goes: I don’t think Abagond is racist. That’s just white whinin’ and deflection/separatist tactics.
But say something about stormfront and it’s freedom of speech. White people love to flip their morals to suit their agenda, and to use against us. I personally don’t give half a damn what any white person thinks. Just like it’s ok to disrespect and dehumanize us, I can do the same.
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AMEN! @Sondis
Speak the truth brotha
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“Ebonymonroe
AMEN! @Sondis
Speak the truth brotha”
You already know, sista! ^_^
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@Sondis: I agree 100%!
Like it’s our job to go seeking out the lone whites who aren’t racist. That’s like saying most planes crash, but not all planes crash! (white logic) Would you still fly, or take the bus instead? I know all too well about this mindset. Being a product of Jamaican/Italian parents, I know all about the “not all whites are bad” spiel, but my memory and life experiences tells me otherwise.
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I had more to my comment, I wonder what happened?
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Stacks:
“I agree 100%!
Like it’s our job to go seeking out the lone whites who aren’t racist. That’s like saying most planes crash, but not all planes crash! (white logic) Would you still fly, or take the bus instead? I know all too well about this mindset. Being a product of Jamaican/Italian parents, I know all about the “not all whites are bad” spiel, but my memory and life experiences tells me otherwise.”
Yeah, if whites would focus on the FACT, the majority of their race is racist and NOT, how the minority of their race, isn’t racist, there would be progress but that is just wishful thinking at best.
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@Sondis: white people would never do that, they would be giving up their white privileges and entitlements, and you know that shit ain’t happening, not in our lifetime. It’s easier/less labor to keep racism intact.
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Why do my comments keep going to moderation?????
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Stacks:
Some words are moderated by default, so you have to wait until the author of this blog, allows the comment to go through. That or edit your initial post.
You’re also correct about white people, wanting to enjoy white privilege but then claim to denounce racism. You can’t enjoy white privilege and reject racism at the same time.
White people do this all the time, this is why I don’t trust white folks, they are two face in this way.
A white person that rejects, white privilege is rejecting white supremacy and therefore is against, racism. Anything short of this, I’m not trying to even talk to a white person about racism. You got the nerve to act like you’re against racism to black peoples face, yet enjoying all the perks that come with white privilege.
This is why I scoff at all the supposed, liberal whites that are on this blog, that claim to condem white supremacy, yet benefit from it and embrace it at every turn.
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Exactly, when your privilege is based on the belief system that “others” are inferior, you wouldn’t give up the privilege in a million years despite what it’s founded on, but then turn around and say I’m not racist? That’s worse than an out an out White supremacist, to me, because it’s this covert form that permeates Western society but goes unnoticed and isn’t ever corrected because it’s now so subtle. I too find the fact that members of the Black community jump up to defend White people (but wouldn’t defend their own), and get offended over people challenging racism, as though they are so deeply embedded with White supremacy that they identify more so with the White community, even at the expense of their own quality of life, by failing to challenge it.
@ Stacks
I understand. I too am the product of a mixed family, and there is no greater study than seeing it work in your own family members growing up.
@BR
I believe Brazil is worse than the US, but I’m weighing up the out and out racism of, say, Bill O Reily, and Dom Imus, etc, that would never be allowed in British media. Black British/general Black culture, is also big in the UK. We had a huge wave of Black music from the 70’s through to the 90’s. It’s just that, since the 90’s, White artists making Black music are the only ones given light. A lot of “Black culture” in the US is just exploitation. Meaning, the most stereotypical, degrading versions of Black music/images, imaginable, (like Spike Lee’s “Bamboozled”), are allowed in.
There are AAs who are allowed to progress, but I can assure you there are many poor AAs, working as slave labor in prison industrial complexes for multimillion dollar corporations, for selling small amounts of drugs, while White murderers and pedophiles serve a fraction of the time for more serious crimes, all as a result of “the war on drugs.” And then there’s the race and gender gap; the amount of BW who have been fired for wearing their hair natural AND unnatural. There’s so many overt issues in the US that the oppression must be suffocating, just by way of being so loud.
@Vajackster
It seems you were offended that Abagond stated that he prefers BW. I have read this blog for a while now, long before commenting. The amount of times Abagond would make a list of beautiful BW, only for W posters to come to the blog to dispute that BW are beautiful, at all. The mere fact that he (Abagond) was calling BW beautiful, offended them. Once again, you White people show your superiority complex. The mere fact that a BM said he prefers BW, made you come out to challange it. Do you challenge your various magazines who list how beautiful you (White people) are, over and over again, with only a few token AAs making it on the list? NO, I didn’t think so. This is why we get fed up. We get fed up of how entitled you are, that you conquered and fight to hold everything by way of comparison, (White= superior/Black= inferior), that even some random BM’s blog cannot go unchallenged for you. So the next time you jump up to say “not all,” just so you know, when we’re talking about subtle racism, and White supremacy, we’re actually talking about you, so please don’t include yourself in the “not all”.
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Abagond,
You shouldn’t have to defend yourself or excuse yourself to anyone… F’ck them!! Tell your Haters to go kick rocks…
You write this blog for yourself; and I don’t remember seeing a “mandatory” invitation that forced Anyone (white or otherwise) to come and participate or else…
your resident trolls come here because they enjoy the “Intellectual stimulation” that they can’t find anywhere else, that’s why your last Stalker spent so much time and energy writing about you.
if the white people who only skim this blog, don’t like your blog or understand the points you are trying to make, then they need to keep it moving and go elsewhere to get their Ego’s stroked and their hands held.
I, and everyone else black, brown or otherwise, who have to live in the REAL world and don’t have our Heads firmly planted under the ground, understand and appreciate your blog.
What’s the point of trying to Pacify a few cry babies when REAL life continues to turn “like the sands of time”
I like the fact that your Blog brings the focus on the “Reality’s” of being black, brown, or non-white in America (and sometimes you manage to spotlight International events too but I realize they don’t get as many hits by your American viewers, and white racist troll audience)
Anyway, here’s a little reminder that puts your Blog back in perspective for those people who are still Confused.
“Shopping while black”
Rob Brown, star of ‘Treme,’ says he was arrested at Macy’s after buying mom watch — he was “paraded” through Macy’s Herald Square in handcuffs and detained for an hour after being racially profiled and accused of using a fake card to buy his mother a $1,350 watch.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/black-man-sues-macy-cuffed-making-legit-purchase-article-1.1496735
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and let us not forget the topic of: black people who Spend a large portion of their money on Consumer goods in the USA but their US “green” dollars are not appreciated by the white corporations where they spend the Majority of their money — it’s taken for granted.
“Kayla Phillips, a 21-year-old nursing student from Brooklyn, told the Daily News that she was stopped by police after purchasing a $2,500 Céline bag at Barneys on February 28.
After buying the luxury item with the money from a tax return, the woman left the Madison Avenue store. Three blocks away, she says she was surrounded by four undercover police officers — two white, one African American and one Asian — at a nearby subway station.
Phillips says the white officers, a male and female, questioned her for 20 minutes, inquiring where she lives, why she was in Manhattan and how she was able to purchase such an expensive bag.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/24/barneys-racism-kayla-phillips_n_4155176.html
So, why didn’t the Barney’s clerk just turn down the Sale instead of having the Police track her down like a dog? silly me, of course, can’t have a confrontation in an upscale store that really only wants to cater to “certain” type of people.
The same “certain” kind of people who are expected to buy Kanye West “Slave” t-shirts and Jay-Z’s new line of clothing
My guess is that Kanye and Jay Z’s target market for Barney’s aren’t “black” people (since they have a sizable white following)–
but I could be wrong — maybe Jay-Z was trying to get more black people to shop at Barney’s, but it seems, Barney’s has spoken about how they feel about that idea.
Petition going around for Jay-Z to break his contract with Barney’s (which will never happen)
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/jay-z-dodges-questions-barneys-ties-alleged-racial-profiling-article-1.1496619
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“Liberal whites on this blog.blah blah” Geesus fuking krist, Sondis, did you pull that pseudo psycho ananysis out of your anal opening?
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I had spent a lot of time in my younger years trying to understand what happened in the USA. Eg,
– how non-Anglo European origin ethnics became “white”
– why the native Americans are practically gone, or at least not found in 95% of the USA
– how Asians entered the USA in large numbers in the 19th century, but their numbers actually plummeted until the 1950s
– how jim crow developed
– how segregation was maintained post Brown v. board
– how most blacks actually got to have some white ancestry, and how tens of millions of whites are actually part black.
– How “third” races fit into a white-black dichotomy, as well as tri-racial communities
– How the media and government contribute to all that
None of this was taught in school and no one talked about it. But it was interesting to seek this information and learn about the nature of the country
But what I didn’t realize that there was something underlying the whole process. Now I finally realize that it has something to do with a subconscious sense of guilt in America that is more commonly felt by white people than non-whites (but it applies to the USA at large), as well as a primeval need to protect a sense of self-image.
It actually is not new. It is only the tactics which changed. Prior to the 1970s and esp. before the 1960s, the USA was largely unapologetic about the whole thing. It can be traced back to Manifest Destiny (and its offspring – American exceptionalism), which was like a commandment from God. As this was a commandment from God, there had to be some way to deal with the cognitive dissonance to deal with the immoral byproducts of genocide, slavery, invasion, etc. to achieve those goals. Before the 60s, even the Bible itself was reinterpreted to allow such things to happen. The other way was to say to oneself, “At least we are the good guys” even if we do something bad. But somehow, on a subconscious level, we (or they, depending on how you identify) know something was not quite right.
This exposes layers of guilt and a fragile ego that must be nursed and bandaged over. Manifest Destiny as a divine directive must be protected at all costs as it is what American culture is based on. One of the biggest problems I have talking with Americans, esp. those that identify with the white side of the coin is about how racism is the elephant in America’s living room. This is like a taboo subject.
Maybe the difference with white anti-racists like Tim Wise is that he talks about those things without worrying about bruising his own personal fragile ego.
One more thing – I still haven’t seen any of those defenders try to defend Nazi treatment of the Jews with examples of how Jews treat the Palestinians to demonstrate how Nazis were NOT uniquely evil. No said they were uniquely evil and no one feels compelled to demonstrate that they were not uniquely evil either. Otherwise, they would say that Jews can be evil too. The reason why it is not used is because the whole method seems ridiculous. People accept that there was something evil about how Nazi Germany was run. They do not need to find examples of how some people who may be linked up with their victims could do evil things as well. Examples of how Jews attack Palestinians does not erase or cancel out how Nazis treated Jews. Finally, Europeans are not used as examples of how (white) Americans are not uniquely evil – it is always the “other” people.
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I am white as a lily and from Berlin. I love your blog and agree a lot with your points of view. Racism is also virulent in Europe and Germany and it is as shameful as it is in the US. When I watch black people, I notice them as a rule as more humorous, more beautiful and having more taste styling-wise as for instance white people. Racism has many roots, but one root seems to be crystal clear: envy.
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@ Wolfgang Schrader
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These silly whites…
Of course this blog is anti-white because whites nearly monopolize racism globally. Every non-white they met, they massacred, raped, plundered, AND rewrote history to paint themselves as good guys.
I fully agree with
Jefe on Sat 26 Oct 2013 at 10:35:45
It’s definitely an industrial strength case of denial. I think it should be studied as a medical phenomenon.
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^ Thank you for agreeing with some of my points, but I don’t find this blog to be particularly anti-white. White people are not uniquely evil, so there is no need to paint them as such. I do see the blog as challenging the narrative that has been taught to us in school and the media (and what has been selectively omitted).
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@ Jefe
But, of course. Are we to expect monuments to the slaughtered Native Americans in the centre of Washington, or a massive statue commemorating the genocide of the Middle Passage in Manhattan — any time soon?
If you take the example of Germany, what became known as “collective guilt” didn’t come out into the open until the 1960s, when it became intense and very public. Guilt was even recognized as A Psychological Feature of being German. That sense of guilt sticks around, despite how much the younger generations have dissociated themselves from the history of their forbears and those notions of guilt.
Naturally enough, the foreign press — particularly the British and American press — ALSO wanted the Germans to feel absolutely and uniquely guilty about what they did, and how they did it, to seal Germany’s utter capitulation.
But shouldn’t we wonder, as well, what efforts the American government made before and during the Holocaust in Europe to save the Jews and Roma and others being tortured and destroyed? Not forgetting that the US government did manage to smuggle a few of the Nazi scientists onto American soil before everything collapsed…. and didn’t President Truman refuse the request of the German, Albert Einstein, to criminalize lynching?
Even, the Church got involved, making the Stuttgart Declaration of Guilt, saying, for instance:
Through us infinite wrong was brought over many peoples and countries. That which we often testified to in our communities, we express now … We did fight for long years in the name of Jesus Christ against the mentality that found its awful expression in the…{the} regime of violence…
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/projects/niem/StuttgartDeclaration.htm
I don’t think the US wants anyone who is not “one of them” to bring those sins, past or present. But I think you know that, and that you know why.
There was one book that was read by young Germans at one time that is still in print: “The Burden of Guilt: A short history of Germany 1914-1945”, by H. Vogt.
(http://www.amazon.com/Burden-Guilt-History-Germany-1914-1945/dp/0195010930#reader_0195010930)
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Abagond, I dont think you are anti white…I think , fighting white racism, your blog goes into telling what is wrong with white people , in relationship to racism
If you search “white racism ” on your blog, there are close to 15 pages with ‘white people”, with about 15 threads on each page that is about 400 threads the overwelming number about what is wrong with white people in reguards to racism..about one a week…
which is fine, I have nothing against that, I think its great to have a place people can discuss this and vent and share information to fight white racism..
Its just that , I cant find a post that talks about things white people and black people combined to fight white racism…maybe i missed it…but , its sure hard to find, and , to omit that, is not showing the whole true picture, the picture that both white people and black people fought together , very hard every step of the way to put laws on the books in american society to fight for Civil rights
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/civil_rights
you are mostly giving a one sided picture..so, among many great commentors and comments, you get comments from some people that dwell on the anti interracial sex drek, or deal in huge generalisations and steryotypes…ive seen so many contradictory descriptions of what white people are and how they are racist, that , it seems the best advice to give is deal with white people as individuals and bear down on institutional racism
If these kinds of antiinterracial sex arguments , wrapped in a turd, because it smells so bad, use regugitated rhetoric from fringe militant groups of the 60’s, who its proved expoused burying black culture, Mao, Castroetc and marxist ideologues , and armed revolution, which failed miserably…it deserves to be stood up to…that doent meant i think your blog is wrong or anti white
by the way, in an interest to comment on the 50 million eliminated under Mao, I looked under search…I couldnt find anything…I mean open thread will justr lose it in a day, any discusion
Ill tell you, it is just amazing that on the far left diologue, and I see it big big time down here…mao and 50 million eliminated , happening right in my life time, in a very short space,is an absolute blind spot and never mentioned as they go over every centimeter of what is wrong with america
i find that mind boggling
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sondis
“rainmaker:
“Asians hate black people a lot more than white people hate black people.
Asians make fun of black people, their culture and their features.”
Talk about a pathetic, deflection. -_-
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Kiwi
@ sondis
Coming up next:
Asians invented the n-word!
At this rate, whites will have nothing to do with the oppression of every nonwhite race.
“Somebody else ate it!” – kid with mouth full of cookies and empty cookie jar in hands
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This Asian thanks Sondis & Kiwi!
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Well now what do we have here, I feel this thread is coming from something that started right around the xpraetorius debacle, i mean abagond did ask xpraet. whether he felt this blog was a black stormfront, not sure what’s lurking around in abagond’s psyche of course, but it’s interesting….
also, praying for, chanting the mantra of immanentizing the eschaton, that’s plainly unenlightened, but the world has gone so far down the path it’s on, the problem with that is it wont be some type of thing out in the street like some socialist anti-strike action back in the 1930’s with truncheons and street sweepers, or even the walking dead, more like bright light, everyone dies.
can i even say i’m not a racist? i’d sure like to think so, but like i said before i need some place like this to help me understand, and i don’t think that’s being an uncle tom, but wtf do i know about that, eh… don’t sweat it, dude.
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To Bulanik:
President Truman refuse the request of the German, Albert Einstein, to criminalize lynching?
No
http://www.blackhistorymoments.com/civil-rights/president-truman-sends-congress-anti-lynching-message/
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@ Legion, I think I’ve also heard of that study some while back, too.
The German “collective guilt” following genocide mentioned earlier was a phrase coined by the psychologist Carl Jung, so there is a precedent to this kind of study.
Carl Jung put forward his thoughts about the Germans 4 days after Germany’s unconditional surrender at the end of the 2nd World War in 1945. He made a prophecy that the victorious Americans would face a similar danger to the guilty Germans:
The Germans will recover when they admit their guilt and accept it; but the others will become victims of possession if, in their horror at the German guilt, they forget their own moral shortcomings. We should not forget that exactly the same fatal tendency to collectivization is present in the victorious nations as in the Germans, that they can just as suddenly become a victim of the demonic powers. “General suggestibility” plays a tremendous role in America today…
http://jungcurrents.com/books/c-g-jung-speaking/
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@Bulanik
I used to think like that until I uncovered what a group of white people did in Lewiston, Idaho to commemorate the ethnic Chinese miners that were slaughtered there.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3ss1TYevpU)
http://www.rgregorynokes.com/Chinese-Remembering/ChineseRemembering.html
In Washington, DC, there is the Smithsonian Museum of the American Indian and New York City also has a branch. I have not been to either one of them. But I think at the very least there should be some exhibits and a historical marker denoting the aboriginal inhabitants of the area where these museums are located. I doubt that there is any. In fact, the museum was not established until 1989 after it was discovered that the Smithsonian held in storage thousands of Native American artifacts and human remains.
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@Bulanik, my response to you is in moderation. Please check back later.
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Legion
The medical funding study you’re referring to has been discredited.
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/02/20/study-says-academic-productivity-not-race-determines-nih-research-funding
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That those who support abagond’s double standard claim it isn’t anti-white isn’t surprising. Nor is it surprising that Ive yet to hear a valid defense of his double standard. What I’ve heard instead is a ratcheting up of attacks as if that supports his position rather than mine. Keep it up. You make my case for me.
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@ Jefe. It’s not that I “think like that”.
My outlook is slightly more layered than only what’s “cut and dried” 😀
My argument wasn’t centred on the significance of monuments: it was one rhetorical question in a wider scheme of the German Guilt example that I was examining and how it might . This comparison is not a subject I’ve given much thought over to, admittedly.
But, I take your point, and thank you very much for the link about the Chinese miners, I never knew of that (notice I always admit stuff I don’t know, lol! 😀 )
In fact I believe the massacre, and it’s many years of cover-up, is worthy of a post all of its own, isn’t it.
@ Milton.
I said this: didn’t President Truman refuse the request of the German, Albert Einstein, to criminalize lynching?
You said “No”, and entered a link about showing that President Truman did indeed past anti-lynching law.
But does this mean Truman ACCEPTED the request of Albert Einstein and others when they made it?
It seems he did not.
Accordingly, in Paul Robeson’s biography by Martin Duberman, when Robeson and his anti-lynching delegation took this request to Truman, he actually TERMINATED the meeting with the delegation saying it wasn’t the time to end lynching.
Truman did not say “yes” at the time he was approached and at the moment that Albert Einstein was a signatory to the request to end lynching.
The American Organization to End Lynching met with the President on 23rd September, 1946, and the President’s response was not “Yes”. According to The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, on page 2, the President apparently replied that “political matters” made any answer impossible.
What is more, Paul Robeson said that the President took exception to the stated urgency to end lynching. Robeson asserted that it was obviously of great importance that the US take the lead in the Nuremberg trials yet dragged its feet when it came to showing justice to “Negroes in this country”.
Further, in another book about this incident, “Paul Robeson, Film Pioneer” by Scott Nollen, it was at this stage that Paul Robeson called upon the American public to demand that Congress pass civil rights legislation. From your link it would seem that Truman had the idea fly into his head to end lynching all on his own, instantly.
I believe this incident of Truman’s even made it into stage plays about Paul Robeson (the one I saw had James Earl Jones in the lead) which made it quite clear that Truman refused to lend his weight behind the end of lynching until at the time of Albert Einstein’s involvement.
I know you wouldn’t like to mislead anyone Milton, but perhaps Truman may have succumbed later. Your answer and accompanying link leaves out a few significant pointers, though.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=19460924&id=kiojAAAAIBAJ&sjid=-mkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3729,2347331
@ Legion, if you recall the study, it’d be great.
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@ Jefe — I meant to say: “…My argument wasn’t centred on the significance of monuments: it was one rhetorical question in a wider scheme of the German Guilt example that I was examining and how it might have a relevance to the American context.”
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@ Legion — that must be the one. Thank you.
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This blog post shouldn’t have had to exist in the first place. You have every right to NOT explain yourself to a bunch of entitled, tone-deaf trolls and white supremacists.
In the same way that an abusive husband wants his wife’s unconditional love even as the blows fall heavily, black America is asked to give its unconditional love to white culture. When that doesn’t happen, you end up with sad cases like our friend Joker.
Which a lot of people don’t seem to understand. Worse, they genuinely believe black Americans have the same institutional tools and capability to malign whites when it simply does not exist.
Meekness and deferential behavior towards whites, hatred of self and fellow blacks, lockstep adoption of, adherence to and elevation of standards set down by a dominant white American culture, etc. If I didn’t know any better, I’d say these folks are a bit miffed they’re not back in the very late 1800s or early 1900s, back when killing a Negro for a perceived slight against the fair White Race wasn’t even a mail-in fine.
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It’s a silencing tactic designed to stop people from criticizing or questioning white society about its role in propagating racism.
Beautiful.
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@ stacks
Don’t get me wrong I find nothing wrong with you having your preference and seeing beauty is us beautiful black women, but it bothers me that such beauty comes as the cost of denying others their beauty too.
Thank you for explaining. 🙂
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Well, Legion and Mack, about “anti american”, that may be true to argue that with Rush Lambaug, or the people that say “America doesnt need a pink slip..”
But not where I live…as a matter of fact its ridiculas to look at american foreign policy and not see it in the whole context…that is exactly my point about 50 million being just eliminated from Mao’s china , for flawed ideologies, ones the aniti interracial sex militants supported and touted
can you really understand the number 50 million? in my lifetime? in a short period of time?
and that there is a whole political agenda from the far left that wants to blame America for the whole tragedy of their military dictatorship crackdown, when they trained in China to have an armed revolution…touting che, aproven racist, mao and Marxist ideologues, which , in retrospect, with the fall of the Soviet union , its painfuly clear how wrong they were to start an armed revolution that didnt have popular follow through from the people, they hated the dictatorship, but didnt want communism..yet, these people, who some have political power , and media power, etc, write books, make docus, blaming america, even saying the Peace Corp had 300 people down there ready to figfht for the dictatorship, to show you how horrible this logic can get..like other flawed political,logic you could hear on here about international american affairs
and they pile on and destort the truth, and cant look at the whole truth, all sides were responsible for the crack down, all sides were dirty, including the soviet spies down there at the time
Legion, your Comsky is a prime example of someone who criticises American policy and distorts the whole truth, Ive proven his bs to you and you dont care, including recently saying China had better health care back in the 60’sand late 50’s , than america at that time..while 30 million are dying from starvation…that is just the blind spot in the far left, and I consider myself left, but these flawed political agendas just hurt the left
so that is what i mean, and you know I dont play around, and can seriously back up what Im saying…because i fuking look and listen to the putrid smell and sound of pure anti american for the wrong reasons, for far too much in the last 28 years…i see through it…and I know america is dirty , too, that seperates me from Limbaugh…but, getting the whole story is darn important..the whole context..cookie jar fables and semantical acuasations have nothing to do with the real truth..you know that from white racists trying to do it
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@ Legion and Bulanik
Enjoying your commentary. Thanks for the enlightening information.
@ Da Jokah
“You make my case for me.”—Well I think it is only fair seeing as the majority of the time you are making everyone else’s case. 🙂
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test Mao Red China cultural revolution..an answer to you Legion is in moderation
and the misspelling of Chomsky was a mistake, not on purpose
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rainmaker
Asians hate black people a lot more than white people hate black people.
Asians make fun of black people, their culture and their features.
White people, always trying to convince us that the world hates us. How would u know? I have treavelled everywhere and in many parts of the world, asia included, have been treated better than whites.
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Sondis:
Second, AND? what the hell does that suppose to mean anyway? So by pointing out that, “not all white people are racist”, you’re saying that A small MINORITY is not racist. So black people are suppose to sleep good at night, knowing that a small minority of white people, aren’t racist?
Tell ’em Boo, all whites r racist if u r benefiting from racism and white supremacy , ur a racist and a white supremacist.
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A. I find this piece you just released quite surprising. I am white and I feel slightly upset that you felt the need to explain yourself to the white readers of YOUR blog.
Because Blacks in this society have been “conditioned” to placate and be apologetic towards whites whenever we share a moment amongst ourselves to talk about us and our issues or just to spend time together.Also to always be cordial and “invite” whites into the inner sanctum of black social gatherings or any gatherings for that matter.A is a Tom because he has to placate his white people that pat him on the head like a dog and tell him when he is doing “good” not offending whites and towing the line with blacks, when he is doing “bad” allowing his black posters to fight fire with fire when whites here dish out racism and hatred towards blacks but somehow we should not respond in kind. Good negro, he’s a very-well behaved pet negroe, that’s all he is.
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“deepdkchocolate:
“Second, AND? what the hell does that suppose to mean anyway? So by pointing out that, “not all white people are racist”, you’re saying that A small MINORITY is not racist. So black people are suppose to sleep good at night, knowing that a small minority of white people, aren’t racist?”
“Tell ‘em Boo, all whites r racist if u r benefiting from racism and white supremacy , ur a racist and a white supremacist.”
Ya dig? ^_^
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I didn’t see Abagond’s post -this one or the one explaining “I do not write this blog for white people” as an apology or, as the one insulting asswipe of a commenter put it “but kissing” white folks. That was rude as hell to Abagond and I don’t think he deserves that at all. But he’s a lot nicer than me. I wouldn’t keep up a post that insulted me in my own space.
I saw it as an explanation. A polite explanation but an explanation nonetheless, that white people often need, especially when something isn’t written expressly from their frame of reference.
White people tend to think everything in the world revolves around them. To the point that half of them don’t even know they’re white- they’re just “normal” and everyone else is different. So it’s probably news to them that they view thinks from a collective white experience when they only see themselves as individuals. I always thought the Borg on Star Trek was a pretty good reference to white people – assimilate or destroy.
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Ha, Legion, its not even up anymore…whats the use, I dont care, you know exactly how I feel….and you know I can prove it …we just have to agree to disagree
but, when it goes down like this, I can counter arguments and prove them and they arnt derailing ,and , I get blocked anyway, this only shows me how the political agenda game works…
I feel very lucky to be where I am, the insights to international issues and just an incredible parrallel universe, to the USA, I get an incredible overveiw…
they are rioting in the streets down here now, for all the wrong reasons…for many of the mixed up flawed political agenda logic you can see floating on here sometimes…except this isnt a racial thing, its a pampered mostly white elite lily pons students making it a rite of passage to break things like public phones, burn buses and destroy cash machines , all things the hard working everyday person needs , not the elite..yelling anarchistic , anti capatalistic , marxist phrases, while the workers party is in power and a communist party member is in charge of the copa and olympics, another thing they are breaking stuff about…
i hate flawed political agendas with a passion
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I’ve been reading this blog for almost two years, in case anyone wonders about why I keep “coming back for more.” In the beginning this blog was a great resource, because it described how black Americans felt about white racism. That was especially valuable for me because I had a black foster son at the time and he was experiencing some of the very issues Abagond describes on this blog due to a racist school system.
Over the course of the last three or four months though, Abagond has become more and more radicalized. True about Abagond himself,but DEFINITELY that case with the commenters.
First point: The subject matter is always one of white on black/Asian/Hispanic racism. It makes sense for these kinds of themes to comprise the majority of topics given reality. However, there are enough instances of minority-on-minority racial violence/wrongdoing (ethnic cleansing of black neighborhoods in S. California, Black on Asian violence in Philadelphia schools, the Knockout Game in St. Louis), that at least ONE post could be written about that kind of topic. Instead, EVERY post is framed as whites vs. everyone else, and reality does not bear that out. Even if most of the racism in America is white on black, there are enough cases that they warrant some discussion on an anti-racist blog, don’t you think?
Second point: “He did it too” is a valid point on many posts because while you make sure to avoid describing racism as a function of whites’ racial biology, you definitely treat racism as a inherent function of white’s culture, even going all the way back to the Spanish to find where whites developed this unique moral malady. “He did it too,” proves that non-whites are just as susceptible to prejudice against other groups, and that fact debunks many claims on several posts. If racism is a human flaw, instead of a white western flaw, the whole blog would have to be a little more inclusive of different aspects of racism. When someone tries to introduce a little of this into the discussion, such as with B.R. and Maoism, they are labeled “trolls” and “derailing.” This is a structural feature limiting discourse on this blog. It, just like the whole “broken records” idea, is there so that the blame can always be shifted towards white society. And Kiwi- just because Asians didn’t invent the “N-word” doesn’t prove or disprove anything regarding racism dealt by Asians to blacks. The worst racist rhetoric I ever heard was on an Indian Reservation (And yes, the correct word is “Indian”). Hell, the comments in the Interracial Relationship thread itself are an example of hatred towards whites by others.
Third Point: The comments sections are utterly anti-white. Check out a few threads and partake of the discussion of “pinks” and other “white/albinic” people. There are also all sorts of tin-foil hat theories that make whites scapegoats for some black womens’ romantic unhappiness. Ridiculous because white men almost never talk or think about black women. Even racists are primarily concerned with young black men. Those kinds of theories can be discussed, along with jokes about lynching white males for sleeping with Asian women, etc. Look at how quickly I was called a racist simply for pointing out the truth about the identities of the various groups called the “Moors,” on the blog post.
Fourth Point: You selectively enforce the rules. People called me “assplund” right and left- nothing said. People call people “pinks” and all sorts of slurs and are not touched. You do this to control the discourse and build a cheerleader squad. If I hadn’t been able to sneak around your ban would you have let me back in? “Sock Puppets” are only a concern when someone disagrees with your premises. Yeah I know it’s your blog. Never said it wasn’t. But you also said you don’t allow dissent on your blog, hence my assertion that I can criticize the ideas discussed here. If you don’t want that kind of dissent just say so. It’s your blog. If you ban me again I won’t force myself on you. I’ve lost faith in the blog anyway.
Fifth Point: The name-calling. Just ridiculous on here. Discuss the points of an argument, not the person. I could be a 40 year old with elephant man syndrome and you wouldn’t know otherwise. Psycho-analyzing me and calling me names isn’t really possible. It can drown out an argument though.
Sixth Point: Have you ever noted anything positive done by whites to end racism/the suffering of blacks? Has that ever been the subject of a post? When I pointed out how our modern concepts of universal human rights and the history of the abolition movement are products of Western civilization, you fought that tooth and nail, along with everyone else. When I had demonstrated the truth of the claim with facts, you even suggested that my premise was invalid because we don’t know if slavery won’t return! An absurd argument designed to avoid giving Western civilization any credit. It’s the same thing with the idiotic idea that the Greeks weren’t “White.” It’s designed to take credit away from whites and transfer it to blacks. I don’t understand why anyone would think that’s necessary, but there it is.
Seventh Point: “This blog isn’t for white people,” “You don’t have to explain yourself to white trolls,” etc. If you want to be a social commentator, and make the kinds of claims you are making, you have to be able to defend them in free and open debate. Again, you can do what you want with your blog. I’m not saying you can’t ban white commenters.
Eight and Final Point: Didn’t you write that post about how if a non-white power had dominated the globe ca. 1500-1900, those non-whites would have behaved much more ethically? You know what the implications of that are.
In my opinion “Anti-Racism” shouldn’t consist of a black man dictating truth to a servile white man. It shouldn’t be about scapegoating others for one’s own shortcomings, or an amoral obsession with “payback.” It should be about how to put both groups on an equal footing. Lifting one group up without knocking another down.
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The phone caused me to misspell my own name. Just getting this in in case that’s use to get my comment deleted.
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The idea of any ethnic group having a space of its own, sequestered from white American eyes, is viewed in the mainstream American eye as highly suspicious. But I don’t see Abagond “inviting” whites into this space so much as he’s being cordial to those who stumble their way into it and remain while behaving in the utmost respectful manner. I do think the Joker-types should have been ejected at the first sign of trollish insouciance, but it’s not in my place to dictate moderation policy from the bleachers.
I’m not sure what you’re driving at. I assume “A” is Abagond and if that’s the case…
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I read this and it was like, WOW! THIS. I am so tired of all the white liberals in my area who go on and on about the 1% but then have apoplectic fits if you mention race. (I’m glad your eggs are from cage-free and hormone-free chickens, but do you have any idea how the Mexicans who work at this farm are treated, if they’re paid fair wages, etc? Do you care? How come you know more about the chickens then the HUMAN BEINGS?) I’m so tired of pointing out racial issues only to be told that I’m the one who sees race and it is because of people like me that racism is even an issue still in the USA. Fighting this is exhausting. Thank you!
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@ Asplund
You really, really need to give that one a rest: one person, one time called you that. And it came right on the heels of you doing the very same thing. I took you to task for it and not Rick because you put yourself under a microscope for having used a sock puppet. The only thing that saved your ass were all those comments about the Almoravids. They made me think that maybe you were not a troll, that maybe your Girlfriend Excuse was true. Rebeca from Brazil, aka Mr Satan, pulled the same shit and she is gone.
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I guess I should give it a rest as much worse has been said about me since. For the record it was not just once, and you only made that a ban worthy policy because I did it.
With that said I won’t mention it again. You have me the opportunity say my peace so thanks for that.
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I like it,while I’m certain of my ability to reason,I still have doubt ,these posts are going to sort this out one way or another – I only interested in the truth ,but I’m not naive nor ignorant enough to think that this applies to the majority of my species or even myself the majority of the time.
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@ Asplund
You do not know this blog or understand my position on racism if you think I think only white people are racist or that I write only about white racists.
Off the top of my head:
Mao’s crimes do not shed any light on racism as far as I can tell (it was Han on Han) – but Han Chinese treatment of Uighurs or Lou Jing does, and I wrote about them.
I have promised to write a post on racism between Black and Asian Americans. I have not done so yet, my fault, there are tons of things I have not written about yet, but I am not philosophically opposed to the idea.
In my experience White American racism is way, way, WAY more of an issue than Asian American racism. Even on this blog I have had like two Asian racist trolls, and they were just repeating white talking points, whitewashed wannabes. I cannot even count the white racist trolls I have had.
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@ Asplund
No, for the record it was only once. I can search my comments by keyword. Rick is the only one who called you that and he did it only once.
My comment policy was created the hard way. It did not spring into my head one afternoon. It has been built piece by piece in response to abuses like yours.
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@ Asplund
“Utterly”? Really? There are anti-black commenters too. I try to allow a full range of opinion. Commenters speak for themselves, not this blog. Only I speak for this blog.
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Maybe it was just once. I guess it seemed like more given the general hostility towards me.
Of course Asian racism is less prevalent than white racism. That’s just pure demographics.
Again, I’m noticing a trend over the last few months. I’m don’t claim to be infallible so I very well could be misinterpreting things. I started to sense synergy between the posts and the more radicalized commenters, as if posts were only designed to coax hostility out of the more ignorant and crazy observers here.
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@ Asplund
Obsession? Really? I have not even done a post on reparations (yet). That hardly counts as an obsession.
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However- Your making this thread does demonstrate that I could be wrong, as you are allowing people to address the topic in question. I did not expect that degree of sincerity.
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If you want to see how deep white supremacy goes in their disdain for PoC and their plights, you REALLY need to check this out: http://afrogrrrlxvx.tumblr.com/post/65207655793
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@ Asplund
Radicalized? Really? Like what are my “radical” posts of the past few months?
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“Brothawolf
If you want to see how deep white supremacy goes in their disdain for PoC and their plights, you REALLY need to check this out: http://afrogrrrlxvx.tumblr.com/post/65207655793”
UT Oh…as i lurk and read the delicious comments of abagond, torwards Asplund, you hit me with the upper cut.
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The obsession with “payback” is in reference to the commenters. While it’s true you may or may not be quite as extreme as the majority of them, most of the quality commenters have left, especially the quality white commenters like Lara. The remainder if folks seem to be vicious cheerleaders, openly proclaiming whites as enemies.
And you know there is a double standard in how people are treated. Someone calling chosen commenters an ethnic slur would be ground up immediately, while some of these psychos can talk about “pinks” and “payback” in every thread.
It’s like the post , “Are White Americans the Good Guys of history?” Maybe you actually, sincerely meant to examine that question. I got the impression it was fodder for extremists.
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Sondis you are among the worst- damn near insane. Racism is brutal out there, and you certainly have matched that brutality, or at least your comments would indicate that.
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And Abagond this is exactly what I’m talking about- ready for fifteen psychotics to start it up about my character rather than what I said. Remember that post about the “Hive Mind” that whites have- it seems like a lot of folks here have that same attitude.
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someone tell Asplund, that i don’t bother to go back and forth with racist white people…
Nice link Brothawolf….those were typical racist white people.
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That’s it, though. Your blog helped me make a major positive difference for a kid. For that I have to be grateful. I would not have been able to remotely understand how he was hurting without your posts.
My participation here is not positive, however. It’s hostility with no benefit to anyone.
Out!
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* plays the violin….
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heck, I am a white guy and even I think black women are sexier in just about every way I can think of. I didn’t set out to do it, but I am married to a black woman.
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David- don’t be too about that here. People will accuse you of he oxide and Sondis will call your wife a “bed wench” or “sellout” like he’s done Linda and some other women here.
Sondis- U made my last beautiful black gf loved my sleek blond mane? I sure did love her dark skin and voluptuous shape.
Now seriously I’m out for good. I’m not even going to check the replies. This is past due. Fading into legend.
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There was nothing extremist about that post — it just presented two sides of a coin.
But it seems like someone’s ego got highly bruised by that question, and the fact it was proposed that some might even answer “NO”, esp. if someone has devoted his career to answering YES.
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@ abagond I disagree with almost everything Asplund has said but he is correct in stating that you’re letting some pretty nasty slurs through. Why is ‘cr*cker’ a banned word but ‘pinkskin’ isn’t? Personally, I find the latter far more offensive.
I realise ‘white people’s feelings’ aren’t the concern of this blog but if you’re going to ban some words, why not others?
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Sondis, you brought out your violin too soon. I guess you have to tune it first before your serenade.
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“jefe
Sondis, you brought out your violin too soon. I guess you have to tune it first before your serenade.”
Indeed my friend, indeed….
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Abagond, my referances to Mao havew everything to do with support of him and his ideologies by militant black anti interracial sex advocates, and, exactly how their rhetoric fuels some comments on this blog…what is so hard to figure about that? or the gigantic blind spot the far left has about it? You have amnesia about it..
And , Abagond,you make a serious mistake in your post thread, by tying in “anti white”, with “anti American”…at that point you step out of being a black man , with his expertise about being black and experiancing white racism, to just another person with an opinion about American foreign policy, mostly formed from reading white far left opinions on it..or what ever…its not your expertise..its your opinion at that point
and what a mistake to think you or any one could lump me in with just any white person defending America , my opinon is not the same as the Republicans, or, Da Jokah, Randy, Asplund,
My opinion is unique and individual and goes much deeper as far as being subjected to anti Americanism, and your best bet, like anyone else on here , as far as talking about American foreign policy, is to treat me as an individual with serious experiance at being an american living where there is anti Americanism and hypocracy about it
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…and one last thing. He’s also right in saying that a lot of the more interesting commenters have left.
You still have some really good commenters like Jefe, Legion and Peanut. I don’t agree with all of their views but what they write is worth reading and makes me think, just like your posts do. But surely you’ve noticed that there used to be a more healthy level of debate and discourse in your comment threads?
I think the increasingly unrestrained use of terms like ‘albinic’, ‘pinkskins’ etc would deter many people – not just white people – from contributing. It detracts from many of the very valid arguments you make in your own posts.
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Alright I came back just to double check if my post went through yet.
Jefe- what the duck ate you talking about? How the hell do you know what I have devoted my life to? I teach predominately Asian history- how can my life’s goal be to serve as white America’s propaganda piece.
This Is exactly what I’m talking about. Assumptions and hive mind.
The question itself is extremist. The answer is obviously no. That real life isn’t so black and white. Seemed like the post was there to goad people into making hateful statements, similar to the ones you’ve consistently made about me.
Ride ass people have no class. I can’t lower myself to these standards lest I end up tarnished.
Alright now it’s over. Let these fools speak. They can have the last word. God knows they need it or they might crumble.
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@ Asplund: Comment deleted for obscene language and use of slur.
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Just where did i ever mix up where Jefe is from..? That was both of your false assumtion and part of your problem
Yeah Kiwi, you are just blind to the rhetorical dogma you habe biten off from 60’s black nationalist militant about interracial sex, you come in and agree with sondis about seeing a white man with an asian women makes you uncomfortable just like him
I laid it out on the interracial thread, the origins of this kind of thinking about interracial sex dogma from the militant black factions..and exactly how those factions also had flawed agendas about tap dancing and Armstrong, and they mention in their flawed dogma about their support and ideological alignment with Mao and the Little Red Book..
You are obviously not aware of this, like me who lived through it..just like you are unaware of black culture and how that is at the center of the real racism, and its not because you are asian, its because you are just ignorant of it..yet you latch on to the flawed aspects of anti interracial sex dogma from the 60’s black militants
and, jefe defended your position, then made a crude remark and ..ah lets get one thing straight, dont ever bring that hiding behind my wife and son, you are full of it with that and can kiss my behind, you wouldnt know the first thing about protecting my wife and son’s cultural needs , yet you dare bring out that tired cliche blog dogma…
and, Im not your dam uncle in law, yiou have to deal with my reality..another thing you have no idea about, and just lump it in with any old white opinion
in short, you are full of it , Kiwi
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@B. R I don’t think Kiwi has ever said he’s opposed to relationships between white men and Asian women.
I think he’s criticised the way that some white men exoticise Asian women while simultaneously trying to emasculate and denigrate Asian men. @Kiwi, correct me if I’m wrong in this.
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@ Asplund
The post on “Are White Americans the good guys of history?” was part of a series on white history that started here:
I do not think the question was extremist nor was the answer “obviously no”, not given the way history is taught and news reported in America. And certainly not given the way WHITEWASHED COMMENTERS LIKE YOU talk, throwing up every morally blind excuse (“Everyone does it”, etc) that you can think of.
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I also made it clear Kiwi , i respect both you and jefe’s information about the Asian american history and struggle..but crossed the line with your anti interrracial sex hang ups and even thinking you can say im hiding behind my wife and son
my god the nerve , the bs nerve, i get described as ‘sowering’ a child, by some one like its a pig or something
I raised my son, stuck with him all the way and we dont have long distance love and he is steeped in afro diasporic culture and is very aware who exactly is going to peg him and discriminate against him from all sides,, black white and Asian
Kiwi, you and jefe cant say squat about me hiding behind my wife and son, take that blog floating crap and shove it when it comes to me…you just have to deal with me as an individual…I never really checked you all until you came with that bs
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no, you are wrong nerdygirl…of course it could be the god dam accordian affect when people get called on their bs that we see on here
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@Abagond
I agree that many white americans in history are not in the “good guy” category, but many are. Nowadays you could but multiracial Americans in the same carton of eggs good and bad. You can mix and match that more than ever. Like my ancestors may have been 89% good and I still choose to be bad. I don’t , but the lord have given me the freedom to choose most of my sins I commit. I believe most people have that opportunity. There is something to “the sins of the father”. Luckily I have two parents that are good as gold. If anything I haven’t lived up to their standards of morality. … But I am trying.
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@wordynerdygirl
I don’t think so either, at least not expressly opposed. That’s not what I saw at least.
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Get all annoyed you want, Kiwi, I never capped on you expressing the personal degradation in your life…that is important
but you stepped over the line with your anti interracial sex agreements with Sondis…its not important whethewr you know black culture, but if you bite on the flawed rhetoric, you didnt really get it in the first place
gees, i respect both you and Sondis having defences against white racism, just dont look at me from a distance with a black woman or Asian woman, and when you dontknow me, get all queasy about it and peg us
yeah, jefe, you are good at the accordian affect…”i never said that..’
where did i ever mix you up with where you are from? born in alabama, to an asian father, white mother, moved to Dc area, in or near a black neighborhood, think black americans have weak culture..ah..that is where we have differant experiances in black neighborhoods..and you have had a traumatic childhood, that i definitly sympathise with..i think you live outside america, and hate to come bac..but I love coming back to black american culture
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I was not born in Alabama. There is a reason for that.
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Ha ha thanks for the advice but my skin is leather thick like a duck and any amount of name calling just rolls of my back. If people want to discuss it with me they can chat with me via e-mail, but not here. BTW been happily married for years and proud of it and my beautiful kid too!
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wow, I got one detail wrong, you sure mentioned Alabama..your mother was from there?
Also, you said its as though they didnt want you, but you say you had a brother? did i hear that right? Why would parents have a second child if they didnt want kids? or i heard you wrong
but, jefe, i know you have lots of things you say about the hardships of your parents, and their disfuntions, but i give them credit for having guts back then..they were up against horrible racism,its not surprising they buckled under the preasure
i know i cant really go back and second guess everything my parents did or desicians they made, just like I see my son doesnt get everything about me and the desicians i made..but we are together and have each others back…that is something i am so thankful for
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Legion
Ginther knew exactly what conclusion people would jump to when she published her study showing a “gap”. The Wang study showed the gap was based on productivity not discrimination. Now she says “No, no, no. The Studies aren’t competitive but complementary“. Yeah. Sure they were. #sarcasm.The Ginther and Wang studies aren’t a ‘gotcha game” but a game of ‘reading between the lines’. Now Ginther is back at it looking for another “gap” regarding networks. There’s no way to prove her motive but everyone knows her game. Everyone knows the reason for the gap, too. It’s affirmative action. If you let less qualified people into advanced programs they’re going to be less productive after they graduate.
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@bulanik, your argument that german post-wwii guilt is relevant to the american situation is slightly wide of the mark. I agree with regards to reparations, like that, ie post-slavery framework it applies; however, most posters here are of the opinion that the mostly-white power structure is still in effect, and hence the corollary, that ‘all whites are racist’ by tolerating and passively ‘reaping the rewards’ of this system, which anyone with half a brain and 1/4 of a heart should be able to see instinctively.
my argument is that perhaps not just whites are complacent, sometimes?
I had put this forth to abagond in a series of deleted comments (another drunkin posting night) on the ac-130 gunship thread, ie (this is to americans) well you live here too and i don’t see your ass on the 11:00 news about how you went out there and took measures to ‘fight the power’. imagine that.
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@ v8driver, it was a speculation, and one that would be highly resisted for sure!
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Lol @ the “great and valuable” contributions from the MIA poster known as “Laura.”
Is that the Laura who stated White women are quite obviously more beautiful than Black women, a peak of beauty Black women simply never reach? Is that the Laura who bragged that her brother has a confederate flag? Is that the Laura who stated BM’s attraction for WW is generally not returned? The Laura who was so disrespectful that she even ended up offending the easy going “brothawolf,” and ended up getting into it with him?
Yes, I see. White supremacy is quite intangible, it’s not a system that oppresses Blacks in the judicial, economic, social, voting/political, media, sense. It does not create “scientific” studies on how ugly BW are, either. It doesn’t do news story, after news story, centered on its obsession with the idea of the failure of the Black family unit, (and anything negative they can find in Black America), with statistics that are wholly inaccurate regarding the rate at which BM/BW get married. It doesn’t spew and circulate false statistics about BW and out of wedlock children rates, nor does it release incredibly offensive false statistics about BW and herpes. BW are not being locked up 2 to 3 times the rate of BM now, for non violent crimes, but serving incredibly disproportionate sentences in comparison to WW murderers and violent offenders. Yes, BW have never had any problems with White supremacism, as members of the African diaspora.
As I said, I finally see now that it’s this intangible thing, I see the light. Amen, amen… and then some more amen again.
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@v8driver
I feel you may be barking right up my alley/school of thought, here. Care to elaborate in the most politically correct manner possible dear.
… I only found out Abagond curses about a day ago. For some odd reason, I responded the way kids do the first time they find out their parents curse.
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Radicalized? Really? Like what are my “radical” posts of the past few months?
Whites definition of a black radical is any black person who does not take a kumbaya approach to white supremacy; isn’t kissing whites’ buttocks and ‘listening to their side’ and nodding in agreement like a wacky-doodle doll. It doesn’t even matter what the black person’s political slant is, they are ‘radical’. Just another in the long list in the deflective arguments department. Another tool to sustain white supremacy.
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The obsession with “payback” is in reference to the commenters. While it’s true you may or may not be quite as extreme as the majority of them, most of the quality commenters have left, especially the quality white commenters like Lara.
Now I know this guy is a troll if he is extolling that loon ‘Lara’ as a ‘quality’ commenter.
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Herneiths definition of white supremacy is any white person who does not take a kumbaya approach to black bigotry; isn’t kissing black’ buttocks and ‘listening to their side’ and nodding in agreement like a wacky-doodle doll. It doesn’t even matter what the white person’s political slant is, they are ‘racist’. Just another in the long list in the deflective arguments department. Another tool to sustain black bigotry.
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Nice try Joker.
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abagond @ ALL UNAMERICAN TRAITORS
You need to follow and learn from Mr. David Carroll. He gets it. You would see “supposed” racism quickly diminish if the mindset of Mr. Carroll was embraced by you minority, anti American, unpatriotic, traitorous lefty racist or in fact ALL POC.
Of course you will just label him an Uncle Tom or Ruckus and continue to wallow in your victimhood and jealously of white people.
Follow him and learn
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKgefhS8HAo)
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*Lara. (I called her “Laura,” when responding to the claim that her commentary was of quality. Lol.)
There isn’t a systematic form of Black bigotry under which White people experience oppression, (and I’m saying this respectfully), so it’s somewhat non applicable by way of comparison.
And I have spoken about racism from non Whites on this blog, Abagond has, and I know many other posters have, too. I’ve even stated that I don’t believe having “born privilege,” means you’re racist, (or even sexist), as long as you don’t continue in the oppression of others, which, sadly, is usually done (out of ignorance) by the average “privileged individual,” by being offended by the mere idea of, and refusing, to accept “the privilege” being challenged, which, in turn, protects the system of superiority, and, in turn, inferiority. But that’s White supremacism for you, babe.
I find it strange, though. I’m a woman, but I’m a supporter of men’s rights, even as a feminist. Even though that means that in judicial spaces, women would have their privileges challenged (eg. spousal support). So I can’t understand the idea of fighting against very apparent inequality, and feeling personally attacked, because it intrudes on your own privilege. I wish I could, however; I wish I could understand.
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“Herneith:
Whites definition of a black radical is any black person who does not take a kumbaya approach to white supremacy; isn’t kissing whites’ buttocks and ‘listening to their side’ and nodding in agreement like a wacky-doodle doll. It doesn’t even matter what the black person’s political slant is, they are ‘radical’. Just another in the long list in the deflective arguments department. Another tool to sustain white supremacy.”
Nicely put, i feel the same way.
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You hit the nail on the head, Abagond. You’re perceived as anti-white because your posts can make racists feel bad and guilty. Your posts often remind people of their and/or their forefathers’ sins, and expose them for the true racists they are.
So they leave nasty comments to try to make you (and every other non-European) feel as miserable as they do, and they desperately try to justify their sins with excuses and falsehoods to make themselves feel better.
These are not people who believe in justice. They only care about how they feel, and they’ll defend injustice, attack you, and lie until they feel better about themselves. Tune them out. Don’t give them a podium, like you did with xpraetorius. Crush them with facts, expose their lies, and they’ll go scurrying away like the cockroaches that they are.
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@October
Oh you silly little fool. Our politics operate on a plain you cannot understand. But before I enlighten you, there are two critical flaws in Mr. Carroll’s thesis: we have followed both the philosophy of Dubois and Washington, it’s not a simple matter of “Either & Or”, but “When, Where, How, & Why”. The second critical flaw is that he seems to believe that Afro-Americans have always lived in cities like Chicago, New York, and Detroit. In truth the ghetto residents are the descendants of the early 20th century Great Migration from the South who foolishly believed that they faced better prospects in the more Liberal North. Instead they faced poor living conditions, exploitation by robber barons, and vicious discrimination, bamboozled by the North’s thin facade of enlightened thinking.
Our mistake was in placing greater faith in you than you deserved. Our mistake was in believing that we could ever hope to rely upon anything aside from our wit and strength of will. This is the crux of Booker T. Washington’s philosophy; it is pointless to antagonize White America to give us rights, respect, status, and a position in their society for they will never give it to us. Instead, we must attain power and wealth for ourselves and amongst ourselves. If White America sees who industrious we are and chooses to accept us, fine. If not, who cares ’cause we don’t need them anyway.
The irony is that Organic Black Conservatives like Booker T. Washington, his protege Marcus Garvey, Mr. Carroll, and Malcolm X (yes, he was a Conservative) is that they have even less faith in the American experiment than the Duboisian Liberals do (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Cornel West). You like them (or shall I say “us” for I am one of them) because we do not bother you. This is not because we like you or your country, but because we find almost nothing to be gained through arguing with you.
Power is the key to uplift, palaver is a waste of precious time and energy.
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When you ask Black America to “take responsibility for itself”, are you even aware of the implications at hand? The first, and most obvious, is that Black America is not White America; you are splitting the country in two. The second is that these two Americas are not responsible for the well being of each other. Third, you are asking Black America to police itself, something we do not have the authority to do so long as we are citizens of the USA. In short, you are asking us to secede from the Union, because there is no way 42 million loosely connected people scattered across the landscape can “take responsibility” without establishing a government with the authority to manage the specific economic and educational needs of what would be the 32nd largest independent nation on the planet (for a scale of reference, African-Americans outnumber Canadians by 9 million). Now, I am perfectly alright with Afro-American sovereignty, but if you aren’t going to give us a country of our own STFU.
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This is a great example of the kind of racism that Abagond wrote about in this piece — and the type of “fun” thing that ONLY whites (some at least) seemed to enjoy doing to non-whites, especially blacks:
Black people would never wear a costume that was designed to turn the death of a 17 year old boy (CHILD), of any ethnicity into a comedy or party favor.
If I showed up with a costume like that, every black party-goer in the room would chastise and shun me, not clap me on the shoulder and praise my costume.
We (blacks) are of an entirely different nature and even on our worst day, we can’t come close to the level of collective hatred and cruelty whites display toward us.
The evidence of this is overwhelming
“Racist whites wear blackface and dress as Trayvon Martin for Halloween”
http://rollingout.com/shame-on-you/racist-whites-wear-blackface-dress-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-halloween/
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And all the black face makeup and stupid get ups just because it’s Halloween, then have a faux apology afterwards. *SIGH*
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This blog is not anti-white. It makes uncomfortable reading for white people, but that is not because the blog is anti-white, it is because it is predominantly about racism, and white people are the perpetrators getting called out.
It provides valuable insight into how others see us, and how we should look at ourselves.
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@ Mary
the question I always have is WHY do you have to offend people to have fun? Why would you make fun of a dead black boy (CHILD) even if you were a Zimmerman supporter?
And this has nothing to do with hating white people (I don’t hate anyone)
it has to do with recognizing a PATHOLOGY and a SOCIOPATHY regarding black and non-white people for no other reason than they are NOT white.
this deep-seated need to feel superior and be in a superior position over others by degrading and harming people who look different.is a mental illness
It is NOT just learned behavior but must have some genetic origins to dominate the behavior of white people worldwide toward non-white people.
According to Dr. Welsing, this behavior is rooted in fear of white genetic annihilation which creates hostilty and aggression in the white minority towards the non-white majority.
even the words like calling the non-white majority a “minority” indicate a desperate NEED to be in a superior position over someone else
Unless someone has come up with a better explanation, I have to agree with Dr. Welsing’s analysis of why white supremacy exists.
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@ Trojan Pam: Your comments give me food for thought.
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I see you lefties will dismiss Mr. David Carroll’s POV. He is a true American and his messaged should be embraced by all POC….PERIOD!
White Privilege is also a myth you people created to excuse your own failures IMHO…We live in a EUROPEAN (White) Western Country, so of course people of the original founders would have a little extra credibility than “others”, its just natural. Imagine if I as a white person tried this whining minority,lefty crap in any sub-Saharan African country…I would be in jail, deported or killed.
Europe, Americas(North and South), Australia, New Zealand and even Iceland have more than accommodated all the millions of non-White peoples dying to enter our countries…which boggles the mind because why would anyone want to live in countries where they will be victims of a cruel white supremacist culture..very strange indeed
I know personally I would get the hell out of this majority white country and move to a land where I would be among my own people if I shared the mindset of many of the people on this blog…its only common sense you would think.
Look up Mr. Stacey Gear on Youtube. Another smart American who at the end of his video ‘When I grow up on I want to be an Uncle Tom’ states…..
“Maybe, Just Maybe all of us Negros need to try to be a little more WHITE”
Also, why is it the so-called Uncle Toms don’t inherit this lefty victimhood mindset that oozes from this blogs posters? Perhaps they think for themselves? Could it be they strive to better themselves through hard work and being law-biding citizens of this great country? Perhaps they prefer to contribute to society instead of sucking it dry by whining about “supposed” ills of the past(which can never be changed btw)whilst looking for handouts or finally, could it be they’re not racist?
Could someone answer that one for me? Thank you
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@Trojan pam
Nah black people don’t do that stuff …..they just stand on street corners or in the US House of Representatives calling for the mass killing of white people and white babies and get away with it. Imagine if a white person stated the same things…..
Not even the most rabid white racist makes statements like that.
Get off your lefty victimhood high horse
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@ October
(although I’m sure this is a waste of valuable time)
Please PROVIDE THE LINK to the black people who are calling for the mass killing of white people
and even if you can provide a SINGLE LINK to a SINGLE (small) group of black people,
I doubt you will find more than that
which again, proves my POINT about the behavior of sociopaths
they see nothing wrong with what they do to their victims
and will try to shift the focus BACK to their victims and BLAME their victims for REACTING to their mistreatment as though reacting to the racism of whites
somehow makes black people the bad guys
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@October
You have such disdain for black people yet it amazes me that you are on this blog begging for attention. Would be sad if it were not so funny.
November will be here soon so….
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@ Mary
I’m happy to be of service 🙂
but you would probably learn more about what racism looks like from posters like “October” than you will ever learn from me
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@ Sharina
“November will be here soon so…”
lol
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@ Trojan Pam: You are right about that.
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Sondis,
Thanks. I think this helps illustrate how screwed up whiteness is. To mock the murder of a young child of color is how warped racism can make someone.
October,
I don’t know who you hate most, black people or liberals. Whatever the case, I always ask this to every troll who pops up. Why are you here?
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@Trojanpam
Here is a racist nutjob Kamau Kambon
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HJx-LWLcMw)
Here is another racist asshole spouting his nonsense on the streets and NO CHARGES FILED
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYKugGuQkZ0)
@Hating black people lol
I don’t hate anyone but lefty liberal trash whom are destroying our country and the world..
I bet you people advocate this crap…
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which again, proves my POINT about the behavior of sociopaths
they see nothing wrong with what they do to their victims
all
and will try to shift the focus BACK to their victims and BLAME their victims for REACTING to their mistreatment as though reacting to the racism of whites
somehow makes black people the bad guys
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The above examples are hallmarks of sociopathic behavior (eg, deceitfulness, lack of guilt / conscience, and spontaneous attempts to shift blame for their own treachery onto their victims or accusers).
These traits certainly fit the typical racist white to a “T”, as contrary to popular belief, sociopaths are made as well as born, and most are thought to be free persons in society rather than prison inmates.
Charm / Charisma (the ability to gain a devoted following despite an obvious tendency towards disingenuousness), though, is one trait which seems lacking in the average white racist.
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@ Pay It Forward
I agree that sociopaths are born and made but I have found that there is no “average” racist white person and there is no one way that a racist acts or speaks
some racists have black “friends,” some have black lovers and spouses and non-white children.
Some are soccer moms and U.S. senators as well as skinheads. Some are very charming, some are of the lowest intelligence
what they all have in common — that I have found — is they ALL believe in white supremacy and believe whites are inherently superior (whether they deny it or not) and that whites should rule and control non-whites,
and the degree of (white) dominance can range from patronizing non-whites and assuming they know best what is best for us (since we’re not capable of self-governance, like the poster B.R. often reminds me that I don’t think for myself but am parroting something another white person wrote)
to dragging us behind pick-up trucks and dropping napalm on innocent non-white children
even former President Lincoln (who was a non-white person passing for white) said he thought blacks should not be denied everything but that they were inferior to white people and basically should be under the domain and control of white people
that shows you how SICK racism is, that even the non-whites passing for white actually believe white is superior (which is the same as calling themselves inferior)
Another reason why I believe racism/white supremacy a MENTAL ILLNESS and for most, it is incurable
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“[… ] and BLAME their victims for REACTING to their mistreatment as though reacting to the racism of whites
somehow makes black people the bad guys.”
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Yes, an attempt is always made to have Black people’s “intentions” in speaking out against racism become the focal point rather than the racism itself.
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@October
My previous post is in moderation (hurry up Abagond)
All the more reason to create a country of our own where our “credibility” would be uncontested. Tell me: where is the rational in loving a EUROPEAN (White) country when I am neither European nor White? What loyalty do we owe a country that is not ours? What can America give us that we cannot give ourselves? What reason do we have to remain a member of this farce of a Union?
More often than not they flee to those countries because they present a facade of multi-cultural acceptance when in truth Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and Iceland are even worse than America is for non-white people. They foolishly believed what was on the proverbial brochures and now they’ll pay the price by having to deal with the BNP and Golden Dawn. I hope they don’t die.
Black Liberals, and Liberals more generally, think they can defeat the human condition with pen and paper. Pay them no mind. However, most people here aren’t Liberal. In fact most African Americans aren’t liberal at all so much as they vote against the GOP because we really don’t trust Rural Whites, and the feeling is mutual. So many of them will agree with what I have to say: we are already amongst our own people, the problem is that our people don’t have a country to return to. We are not Igbo or Bakongo, Yoruba or Mandinka, Jamaican or Haitian. We are not immigrants. We are African Americans, a nation in our own right, with a culture, history, and identity that is ours and ours alone. Race and racism were merely catalysts.
There are two reasons we haven’t struck out on our own: because some of us have yet to accept that America is, in your words, “a EUROPEAN (White) Western Country” and we could never hope to assimilate (if it hasn’t happened in 148 years, it never will. After all, Italians, Irish, and German immigrants didn’t need a Civil Rights Movement did they?), and because many more of us know it’s unlikely that America would let us go peacefully and we’d lose the war to follow. Nevertheless, all things come to an end. When America is weak and broken by some internal or external strife, we will have our independence and carve a country out of what’s left of yours assuming we aren’t dragged down with you. It is inevitable: the age of multi-ethnic empires is over and we have had a strong Nationalist spirit since the Antebellum years. I only hope to live long enough to see it.
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@ Pay It Forward
reminds me of the sociopaths that beat their wives and then get mad at them for getting a restraining order
as far as I’m concerned black people are extremely passive and accepting of our mistreatment.
If whites collectively had to endure a tenth of what we endure they would commit mass suicide — or murder
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Oh boy, looks like we got a winner on our hands. abagond, you were about due a new white racist troll. Perhaps a old troll under a new nick? sock puppets are a plenty on this blog.
Time waits for no man….
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@sondis
A presumed racist among certified racist…
Let me explain…
I posted links to black intellectuals explaining how to improve the situation of POC and end racism and I am labeled racist???
I cannot state I have black friends or dating a black chick…because then I am still presumed racist but just practicing white supremacy fetishes over POC…No win situation lol
I post black racist assholes screaming for white extermination and nothing is said(I am sure secretly agreed with this blogs posters)
I find victimhood lefties a funny lot
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I remember back in the 80s watching the many TV specials and telethons geared toward raising money for drought-stricken Ethiopia. These shows were entertaining as typically they featured well known comedians, singers and bands of a wide variety of musical genres.
Anyway, on one such show, a group of white teenagers from the audience were asked if their reason for attending was compassion for the starving people of Ethiopia. I’ll never forget how these kids all appeared to be instantly annoyed by the question, and how one of them responded to it by indignantly stating that they were not there to feed anyone. They were only there for the music.
Hey, I was very young at that time too, but I was still managed to be aghast at the abject cruelty of such a statement, and, so much so, that I still remember hearing it nearly 30 years later.
I also but more vaguely remember hearing a cruel joke from some white kids which concerned the starving people in Ethiopia and a Burger King jingle that asked the questions, “Are you huuuun-gry? Are you hungry … for Burger King now?!”
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@October
Usually one has to earn a PhD or be a celebrated author to be considered an intellectual. Neither Carroll nor Stacy Gear display any deep knowledge of history, sociology, politics, and economics beyond what could be heard regularly in a Harlem barber shop. Their intellectual chops are no greater than that of the Black Slavery Fetishists they mock.
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“D:
“Usually one has to earn a PhD or be a celebrated author to be considered an intellectual. Neither Carroll nor Stacy Gear display any deep knowledge of history, sociology, politics, and economics beyond what could be heard regularly in a Harlem barber shop. Their intellectual chops are no greater than that of the Black Slavery Fetishists they mock.”
Very good point! I agree with this statement and approve this message. ^_^
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@ October
Maybe I missed it
Where are YOUR LINKS to the black racist a*holes screaming for white extermination?
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October,
What is racism to you?
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@D
If you embrace western culture and accept the order of things you could be very successful and happy in our countries. Africans in Diaspora are in a unique situation as you stated(no Homeland) so, the most logical path would to embrace the gift of being AMERICANS and adopt the dominant culture.
Also, if you do not wish to embrace the American way of life the best part about our country is that you can leave to wherever you wish to reside….that is the best part…freedom.
If you think about skin color and separatist ideas based on supposed historical injustices then you would develop what most on this blog are infected with…racism, unpatriotic viewpoints and bitterness…..all recipes for failure.
I notice there are these gullible POC on this blog that adopt bogus historical inaccuracies like Lincoln wasn’t a white man or Egyptians were black Africans.
Those bogus claims and many others are all over the net spewed by idiots for idiots to gobble those ideas up…..wake up people
Listen to David Carroll and Stacey Gear on Youtube…Scroll up to my posts to find the links…..embrace the message.
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Also October,
Let me ask again. Why are you here?
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Mr. Carroll’s knowledge is typical of the laymen, but Stacy Gear knows almost nothing about Black identity if he believes that Blackness is about the way you talk, or your intelligence, or your criminal record. The only thing Gear knows of other Black people aside from his family is what’s seen on TV and heard over the radio; commercialized Blackness that is produced to be marketed to and consumed by Others, instead of authentic artistic expressions like those of the Harlem Renaissance and Hip Hop’s earlier days.
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Apparently I am being moderated now by the racist establishment of this blog lol
@Trojan Pam
Links are there…scroll up.
Because of this blogs bogus moderation policy replies and links pertaining to the present argument will get easily missed….
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@ Pay It Forward
The sickening irony (and truth) of such debacles of “aid to starving Africans” featuring a pack of entertainers parading up and down the stage and getting goo-gobs of publicity
is Africans would not be starving or living under these conditions if Europeans had not COLONIZED and STOLEN THE RESOURCES of these African people.
Genocide, pitting on group against another by arming ONLY one side, or committing atrocities then telling one side that the other side is responsible, or using biological weapons that MASQUERADE as sexual diseases, giving GMO food and “medicine” designed to sicken and sterilize the African people, poisoning rivers and lakes, and stealing the natural resources and wealth of African people — then at the end of ALL THAT
Holding self-serving concerts to glorify their “goodness” and “charity” and to MASK their CRIMES and deceive the population that Africans are so inferior they can’t help themselves.
If you want a good read, check out “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” by John Perkins, a white male “hitman” who explains in full detail how European and American firms and politicians SCHEMED to rob so-called third world nations (what is a third world? another phrase design to inferiorize non-white people).
and make SURE they never get out of poverty or build their own infrastructures
all in the name of racism/white supremacy
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@D
I would love to you to take Mr. Carroll’s challenge and try to deconstruct his argument…not one person has been able to do it. Mr. Carroll is the intellectual juggernaut and I admire and respect him.
If only POC would embrace his message….you would see POC situation improve immensely and that is 100% truth
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@ October
I see the links
Ok, let’s count ’em:
Dr. Kambon (who is far from a so-called nut job) is one person
The New Black Panther Party website says they have about 1,400 members
so, being generous, you’re talking about at most 1,500 people tops.
from your links
Now, a question for you:
Other than you find their freedom of speech offensive, when has any of that 1,500 or so people ever
stopped you from getting an equal education, a home loan, a just trial in a court of law, racially profiled you while driving or walking down a street, spit on your children while they were walking to school, shot one of your unarmed friends or relatives while wearing a policeman’s uniform or wore a Halloween costume pretending to be a white person.
(I could make a much longer list but I think you get my point)
someone calling you a “kracker” or giving you a mean look or pickpocketing your wallet does NOT count.
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@Trojan Pam
Those are just some examples there are many more video and blogs just as this devoted to hate and extermination of white people…and since you embrace the message of Kook Kambon I am pretty sure you know where to find them.
Freedom of speech??????????? Unless its a white person saying these things then its freedom of speech…If its a white person stating these things we lose everything.
The list of yours would have be deconstructed per situation because most lefty liberals love to see racism when none exist.
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@ October
I don’t care how many blogs or videos are out there
No one is violating your rights by posting them. All you have to do is go to another site OR TURN THE COMPUTER OFF
no harm done
Rather than go back and forth with you it’s obvious you CAN’T DECONSTRUCT the list — because white people are not oppressed by black systems that do not exist.
If you don’t agree, that’s cool. The truth is what it is
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@October
I already have:
He’s also quite the conspiracy theorist with a simplistic view of the world, but. . .
. . . it’s not like I disagree with him. Rather, I am taking his message to the logical conclusion: African American Independence from the United States. My real problem with Mr. Carroll is that the message is all he has, and his message is nothing new or profound in the least, in fact this tired platitude of self-reliance he is pushing is over 100 years old. What’s more, no one disagrees with it. Everyone Black person on this blog has, at one point or another, pushed for a more self-reliant Black America. Truth be told, we hate relying on America with a burning passion because we do not trust you.
The problem is that there are 42 million of us scattered throughout the country. Our large population would require more than motivational posters and by your boot straps pep talks to accumulate the wealth and power we desire. What we require is an organization with the authority to allocate money and labor where they are needed, to facilitate the founding and enriching of Black Owned Banks, to enact policies to protect Black Owned Businesses and help them flourish. What we need, plain and simple, is a government of our own. This notion that we can be scolded into empowerment is 100 years old and has yet to yield any notable results.
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You are using the ‘Back to Africa’ argument against me by telling me to just turn off my computer or leave this site. lol
I cannot deconstruct the list because I would have to look at each case individually. It would be easy to say I was pulled over by the cops because “I am Black” but many other factors come into play as reasons why cops pull people over.
Here is a post from a very intelligent poster who happens to be BLACK! He explains to a tee why the liberal left wants to keep racism afloat…..this blog is part of that agenda..but not to incriminate abagond solely as there are many, many blogs, videos, sites used solely for this liberal racist agenda.
–The left ALWAYS have race on their mind. They are always conscious of it. They have built a Race Industry that revolves around it. They look for racism in every issue and look for racism under every rock, whether real or imagined. No one reminds us more of the fact that Barack Obama is black….. then those from the left. The left use race and rely on racial identity politics and divisions to help win elections. White liberals and so-called black leaders are the true racist!
We are being used as pawns and kept dependent on government by our black leaders and white liberals for the sole purpose to paint the GOP as evil racist white men out to reinstate slavery. SMDH–
Ask yourself this—- are you one of the victims of this racist agenda? I believe all of you are from abagond down.
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Part of the reason whites get a hard ride here is the trolls.
So, we have white racists and we have trolls. We also have idiots who have read maybe one or two posts and a few comments who claim that the blog is anti-white. @ those people, why do you think it might seem anti-white? Perhaps because the target audience spends their lives dealing with racists and trolls and reacts accordingly?
Brothawold said:
^ Basically, that.
There are some misguided opinions expressed here by people who aren’t white and who assume that they know how all white people think; but the blog owner has explicitly stated that when he says “white people” he does not necessarily mean all white people. How many white racists do you know who qualify their opinions by claiming that they don’t mean all blacks/Asians/Muslims? No, not many.
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@D
I enjoy your post, sir but as Mr.Carroll states its all about self-sufficiency but I would hope not to form another country as you are implying but to improve black peoples situation right here in the US of A.
AA have already tried to have their own country…LIBERIA. The original natives did not take to well to the AA supremacy they tried to impose on them.
No, you need to succeed here and the only way to do it is to ditch the liberal left and the race industry.
@D
LOL Mr.Gear is a unique individual but he is no more or no less black then any other AA. He is an individual and chose to be himself.
He asks what is being black? He knows he’s black but he is not a stereotype…that is what make him successful IMHO
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@ October:
You’re a great example of white supremacy: borderline illiterate with ill considered, clichéd arguments. Thanks for the embarrassment. How the hell am I supposed to convince people that we don’t share too many genes?
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@Rick Buddoodoo
When limp wristed white liberals start throwing around insults….you know you won.
Back to MSNBC with you!
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Liberal? LIBERAL? LOL.
You really have no clue.
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@October
You talk of self-sufficiency, but shun our independence. Laughable. So long as one penny of our tax money goes into the hands of White Americans, your talk of self-sufficiency rings hollow because you are a burden to us at best. I’d rather see White children die starving than let them have our tax dollars for as long as conservatives push self-sufficiency.
Don’t pretend that you care about the plight of Natives, Mr. “America is a European (White) Western Country”. In any case, it would be best to negotiate selling some US land to us. Or we could take territory by force after the country inevitably dissolves. Or we could live on the moon. War is so messy I’d rather avoid it, but how does the saying go “Freedom is Paid with Blood”, right?
That’s nice King George III, but if we want independence, there’s jack you can do about it and I really couldn’t care less about what you think we should do. IMO, we need to ditch both parties and your albatross of a country altogether.
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@Rick
Going by your previous post I would say you are one of these PMSNBC watching white liberals who visits these racist industry sites to feed your white guilt by insulting white people to get your old “good white boy” reward pat on the head lol
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@ October
The stuff you say sounds like right-wing talking points, not something based in reality.
I have not taken a survey, but I would be willing to bet that most black commenters here believe racism exists because of repeated bad experiences with whites, starting from a young age, in most cases by the age of 11. The liberal agenda and Jesse Jackson and all that were probably not the deciding factors.
White liberals are themselves racist. The main reason blacks vote for them is because conservative whites are way worse.
The main race baiters are on the right:
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@D
Perhaps in your hatred of the greatest country on earth you missed the part about it being free to leave whenever you want to…. The Motherland awaits, my friend.
One thing just don’t bring your AA Supremacy with you….you know how that turned out.
I hope to see the day where an armed rebellion based on race breaks out and you awake the sleeping giant……the great thing is the majority of AA and POC will side with us. The sooner it starts the sooner we could finally put to death the source of the disease of racism..YOU and others with your mindset.
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TrojanPam writes:
“If you want a good read, check out “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” by John Perkins, a white male “hitman” who explains in full detail how European and American firms and politicians SCHEMED to rob so-called third world nations (what is a third world? another phrase design to inferiorize non-white people).”
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Wow, thank you! I’ll certainly make sure to check it out!
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@Legion
LOL. Perhaps not.
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@ October
“I bet you people advocate this crap…”—the way you were ranting I thought you knew it for sure. LOL
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@ October
Recommended for you:
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@abagond
Using puppets of the left like Col. Wilkerson as a legit source lol The guy was part of the liberal agenda to paint the GOP as evil white men. He probably got passed up for promotion to general so he is decided to be a bitter tool for the left.
Southern Strategy might have been GOP strategy back in the 60’s but now its all presumption by the liberal left and the race hustlers.
Bottom line:
The Left: Dependency
The Right: Self-Sufficiency
You decide.
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@October
I bear no hatred towards America, but she is not mine. I simply want a country of my own. It is not anger that guides me, but ambition. I want power for me and mine, to take hold of the reigns of history and struggle for world dominance like the great nations of old. If I must knock you off your perch than so be it.
I reiterate, ” We are not Igbo or Bakongo, Yoruba or Mandinka”. There is no Motherland for us. I will no more be accepted by them than I would be accepted by you. We must carve out a country for ourselves just as you have.
Yes, we should have all but eliminated them like the USA did to the Native Americans. Our bad.
You have fewer AA and POC friends than you think; why else would sites like this be so numerous? Marcus Garvey was the second most powerful Black man in US history and had an enormous following, and he espoused views almost identical to mine, although he was far more vicious.
Nevertheless, you will never see that day, because we are not fools. Like I said, I’d rather negotiate the purchase of land peacefully, or even live on the moon. We couldn’t best the United States at its current level of power. However, if the Old Confederacy makes good on its promise to “Rise Again” that would change everything. The Divided States of America is a much weaker foe, and trust me, no one is going to come to the defense of the New Confederacy.
There is no killing racism; bigotry and oppression are the human condition. That is why I can walk the path I do without remorse. No man, women, or child has ever beaten the human condition, but independence is a goal that has been achieved time and time again. I fight battles that can be won.
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@October
“Freedom of speech??????????? Unless its a white person saying these things then its freedom of speech…If its a white person stating these things we lose everything.”—-ROFL. Well tell that to stormfront because they say all kinds of sh*t on a daily and none of them have lost a thing.
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“D.
Mr. Carroll’s knowledge is typical of the laymen, but Stacy Gear knows almost nothing about Black identity if he believes that Blackness is about the way you talk, or your intelligence, or your criminal record. The only thing Gear knows of other Black people aside from his family is what’s seen on TV and heard over the radio; commercialized Blackness that is produced to be marketed to and consumed by Others, instead of authentic artistic expressions like those of the Harlem Renaissance and Hip Hop’s earlier days.”
Keep kicking that knowledge to this racist, brotha! ^_^
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In short both political parties are trash. The right however has managed to attract a bunch of nutcases that are not ashamed to show their nutty behavior.
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“D:
“The problem is that there are 42 million of us scattered throughout the country. Our large population would require more than motivational posters and by your boot straps pep talks to accumulate the wealth and power we desire. What we require is an organization with the authority to allocate money and labor where they are needed, to facilitate the founding and enriching of Black Owned Banks, to enact policies to protect Black Owned Businesses and help them flourish. What we need, plain and simple, is a government of our own. This notion that we can be scolded into empowerment is 100 years old and has yet to yield any notable results.”
Great points, D. Let me add something for this white racist, October.
Oh, just in case this racist has forgotten or probably didn’t know as black history isn’t taught to whites, being they don’t care to know about our history, only their own.
We were independent of whites at one point in history and flourished, it was called, BLACK WALL STREET in Tulsa,Oklahoma.
Guess what happen to our, utopia? Whites bombed it, because they hated to see that black people can make it without them and proved them wrong, that blacks were not inferior or imbeciles.
Black wall street was a slap in the face to the white supremacist system, white people have made it a point, to NEVER allow black people to become that powerful, again!
Time waits for no man…
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@ Pay It Forward
Also, check out “Trojan Horse: Death of a Dark Nation” (my book) and the 13 Weapons of Mass Mind Destruction” (just click on my name to go to the site)
(hope I don’t offend with my shameless promoting)
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@Sondis
Maybe they should’ve thought twice about arming themselves and inciting a riot against KKK members.
Most of the area was rebuilt and it thrived up until the 60’s…funny its failure started at the same time as the rise of radical liberalism in America. Figures
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@October
So, you don’t believe they should use their 2nd Amendment Rights to fight against a murderous terrorist organization? How un-American of you.
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@D
The boy was in custody and not in the hands of the whites who were also being unlawful. The Black mob incited the riot by arming themselves and traveling to the courthouse….period!
Arm yourself, protect yourself but do it within the law…That is what Ole’ George did and that is why he is a free man.
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@October
Thanks wikipedia. Yeah, desegregation was a real tragedy. Darn that radical liberalism. <__<
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@October
Was the American Revolution lawful according to the British?
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@Trojan Pam
Jesus Christ no wonder you people are so obsessed with racism and hate…that site is disgusting!
“Racism is White Supremacy” ……uh NO…Racism is not white supremacy it might be apart of racism but it is not racism.
Racism is ANYONE HATING ANYONE BECAUSE OF SKIN COLOR OR ETHNIC BACKGROUND.
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@October
I recall members of the Tea Party going to an Obama speech while armed. Perhaps they should have been sent to Guantanamo Bay? Oh wait, they’re White, and this is a EUROPEAN (White) Western Country, so naturally they have more credibility than us “others”. How silly of me.
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Just as I thought. October refused to answer my questions. Yet, he/she continues to act like he/she knows what racism is better than us people of color.
Racism is ANYONE HATING ANYONE BECAUSE OF SKIN COLOR OR ETHNIC BACKGROUND.
October, you sound like someone who gets his information about the black community from the local news, Fox News or the Drudge Report. None of what you’re saying holds any water, nor is it based on intellectual fact. Your basic argument is that the white male is the most oppressed human being in America which is utterly laughable.
October, racism is more than just hating. It is about implementing an oppressive machination of systems to take away the humanity of those the systems are targeting like Native Americans, Hispanics,Latinos, Blacks, and Asians. It is the principle behind the genocide of the First Nation peoples, the slavery and oppression of blacks, and any and all examples to further white supremacy.
Frankly speaking, in my opinion, anyone who doesn’t see it is willfully blind to protect their images, privileges and feelings.
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October sounds worse than a conservative. October sounds like a Tea Party member.
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TrojanPam, the only reason Im coming in here now is because you invoked my name and incorrectly interpreted what I meant…
Its like in Abagonds post, if you are arguing with me about anti americanism, Im not coming from the same place as a Rush Lumbaugh, Asplund,Randy..forget October…its a mistake to think, if you live in the chicago area, that you could know the same hypocracies of the people crying anti American slogans, and writing books with one sided stories in a country like Brazil, when I have been living here and facing that anti americanism 28 years, so, I have seen material you could never have accsess to, speak the language well enough to read and watch docus, make hook ups over years time that no one passing through could, and decades of news reports
It has nothing to do with your color , or inteligence, you are smartewr than I am, but, this isnt a college debate , or tv pundits, its my real life (, the way dealing with white racism is your real life, which is why you can be dead on the money when you want to be , whoa, just aminute, Im not saying i know what its like to be black), so I recognise all of the cliches fast, like, anti Americans always start with the Atom bombs in japan, from a world war that killed 42 million…which is exactly what you did…
and , even in your black narrative, you invoke things that you claim you didnt get anywhere, but I sure have heard them before, like a rerun
But you will only be confronted by me on anti interracial sex views, in the black narrative discusion, but, if you make statements I know dont ring true about American foreigh policy, you cant hide behind ‘Bwana thinks he knows more and can tell us black people blah de blah..” pulease
you are going to have to deal with me on a serious leval, and bring the facts to counter the real truths I learned the hard way , not political agenda dogma, and not write me off as fogging into defending white people, and thinking you are dumb..
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@October
There is no doubt I can succeed. I am succeeding, but just as Jews could never belong in Europe, we can never belong in America. No amount of acculturation or adoption of your culture is going to change that. (Honestly, why would we abandon the music, the poetry, the literature, the arts, the philosophy, the wondrous culture that we created all but from scratch over the 20th century, to fit in with a culture that has the defining feature of not having anything to do with us?) The moment we are seduced by that beautiful lie is the moment we set ourselves up for disappointment and disaster.
Click to access The_History_of_the_Jews_in_Europe.pdf
I don’t chase Liberal pipe dreams of a free and equal world anymore. I have accepted the world for what it is, and I have never been so peaceful.
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@ October
“Going by your previous post…”
One post and you know me? 😀
I visit a great many sites and communities that inform my political environment. Politics is one of the major focal points in my life. I am not a “liberal”. Liberal is weak and polluted. Liberal doesn’t begin to go far enough – in fact it doesn’t go anywhere.
The defeat of racism, the defeat of all inequality, is key to the establishment, development and continuation to the socio-political system toward which I, and many others, work. The actions of white racists are harmful to that goal. The reaction, in extremis, of PoC can be harmful to that goal. One cannot expect reaction to cease while the provocation persists. It is practical, therefore, to tackle white racism before whining about how anti-white PoC are. To do otherwise is cart-before-the-horse stupidity.
I am more closely allied to black anti-racists than I am to white racists. I don’t need a pat on the head. My attitudes serve my own anarchist-communist agenda. I don’t align myself with black anti-racists for some patronising, “liberal”, charitable, saintly motive. I’m pursuing a wider political agenda, and that just happens to be part of it.
One of the downsides to places like this, which exercise minimal moderation/censorship, is a dreadful signal-to-noise ratio. Abagond allows all manner of idiot ranting to remain on the page. That’s cool, I abhor censorship. However, when so many white people come along repeating (often unknowingly) racist clichés that are so well worn that they have their own posts here, it just gets all whites viewed with suspicion and meaningful communication takes many times longer than it would in a troll-free environment. That is extremely frustrating.
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D, that is it, you hit it on the head…culture
Asplund, I dont know if I feel comfortable you invoking my name, also, because I dont think we are on the same page…but, I dont know
But, I know, I like Abagond’s blog , and, where I have disagreed on some things, I am mostly in agreement with Abagond, and, he has been extremly fair in many aspects, including with you
The truth is, there are only two reasons Im arguing in here now , Jefe invoked the mao arguments, therefor , since we were just battling about it, and I proved my point very powerfully, by the way , , it implicates me in this thread, and I always am ready to respond to implications about me..I dont think my arguments were the same as the others, and I demand to deal with my arguments about him on my merits , not a generalised statement lumping me in
and the second is…
Abagond,There is no white person on this blog who argues against anti Americanism…no one, but me…
why do you think I can shift gears so hard and fast about hating American white racists, I have talked about “white racists ” often on here, to standing up to perceived anti American implications? Because Ive been exposed to the steroids version of it…Im not implicating all Brazilians , and, I want to clarify, I never claim to be speaking for Brazilians , its what I know in depth about a country Ive lived in for close to 30 years, what ive had to bolster my defences to deal with…hard core anti Americanism…this isnt an American arguing from the comfort of his American city, my comments come from hard on the ground practicle knowledge and the obsecion to dig down deeper to find real reasons behind strange dogma and rhetoric
there is a small anti american TV channal down here, they run anti american docus almost on a daily basis…the same ones over and over…some are actual propaganda docus for Castro and Che, actualy made in cuba, translated with Portuguese subtitles
I learn more from watching those about the hypocracy , and the docus made by the left overs of the failed marxist armed revolution down here..
I mean to hear Castro get animated , and pretty much giving prostitution as the reason they defeated Batista, but , knowing prostitution is running rampant on the gringo only hotels on his island, just speaks volumes…
So, I kind of have no choice but to have to argue in here, because the anti american phrase implicates me and only me
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B.R.,
LOL! You are a hoot. I see you’re still incoherently babbling on about your bogeymen, Marx, Castro, Che, Mao, 60s Black nationalists, et. al and inserting them into almost every conversation. At least you didn’t include tap dancing and Louis Armstrong this time around.
Look at you. You’ve been supposedly living in an amazing, vibrant country with a rich culture and some of the most staggeringly sexy and beautiful women in the world for 30 years yet you just continue to whine, whine, whine away about some supposed “hard core anti-Americanism” that, strangely, you always seem to find and can’t stop obsessing about and, despite your protests, it’s obvious that whatever you’re imagining has no practical effect on your life at all. Talk about white privilege.
C’mon now tell the truth. Back in the 60s some slick talking, fake radical “Iceberg Slim” type dude punked you and took your girl and you haven’t gotten over it so here we are 40 years later and you’re looking for ghosts to beat up on, right? Heh. There’s too much bu$$hurt in your posts for it not to be personal. Let it go, man.
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Abagond,
On point as usual though it will fall on the usual suspects (old and new versions) deaf ears. It is amazing though how quickly they fall back on variations of the “Broken Records” arguments.
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I’m finished being kind.
B.R.- How the hell has Abagond been fair with me? Once he found out he couldn’t thwart me in an argument and that I wasn’t a troll, he looked for any excuse he could to ban me. He is all about his “strong ban hammer.” I was too kind by allowing him to save face and unban me. I should have just kept posting considering he has done nothing but insult me and then threaten to ban me if I defend myself. Even in his most recent reply to me in this thread he has to insult me rather than deal with my argument.
As for my using your name- you used my name in many different places, linking me with people I don’t agree with either, but go ahead, if you think it will help endear you to the posters here, by all means do what you can to separate yourself from me. We do differ greatly in opinion I’m sure and I never thought you were “on my side,” if that helps.
Abagond- Do you honestly expect me to believe that that post was some kind of neutral inquiry? You have all sorts of methods of attacking white society. White people can’t even observe and have an opinion without casting a “white gaze.” They can’t defend themselves without protecting their “fragile white ego.” They can’t assert their own individual innocence in wrongdoing without falling victim to “moral blindness,” which is a stealthy way of accusing the majority of whites of immorality. Even this post is an attempt to lure out cheerleaders for bigoted comments. If it was sincere it would have read “Why I am not Anti-White,” rather than mocking a genuine concern.
You know you wrote that post to whip these people into a frenzy of anti-white negativity. And you are the one who is going to have to answer for that in the end. Look at that little girl Adeen- you have her saying “Black women don’t have the power to be feminine.” Think about the negative psychological impact these threads have on people. Your posts are the catalysts for some of these insane comments. I’ve never once seen you tell someone to tone it down, unless they were a dissenting commenter that is.
And if you are still needing proof of your anti-white attitude, do you remember the post you made in which you stated that if a black person kicked a white person’s teeth in, that white person would have to know deep down that they deserved it? How much more anti-white can you get?
Your blog used to be about how black people felt. Now it is a bunch of lame pseudo-psycho analysis of how white people think, as if you could every experience that first hand.
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Asplund,
Um….hahahahahahahaha…look at you catching feelings about a blog post. Given your histrionics above, I can imagine that if you had to regularly deal with actual racism they would’ve locked you away a long time ago. You can’t even handle what you are incorrectly characterizing here. Seriously, boo freakin hoo.
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Asplund, I said I dont think we are on the same page , and I said Im not sure
the fact Abagond unbanned you sais everything..if he was unfair, he could have just put you off
Im listening to you…I havent jumped in disagreeing..I have reservations, but, its not like you dont make some good points
dont expect quarter and dont give any if you think you are right..as long as you stay under the rules…
these discusions are like a game of football, everybody gets knocked down
I as a white person , I dont come in a blog like this , that is a black American blog, dealing with black American problems, looking to get accepted and liked…if i want respect , I have to prove it on a daily basis..if i disagree, i better have some facts or it will justifiably be scrutinised and ridiculed…and somebody somewhere is going to ridicule you anyway, that could come from any side…a white person called me a race traitor on here, and ive been called a racist by various people…wow, i guess winning freinds isnt exactly the object here…
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Including you among some names was my way to say that my referance to that subject was differant than any of the others made…and should be judged on its own merits…i didnt mean you think like the other names also…
my main point about that is, “derailing” can be missused…and I intended to prove my point about that subject and went into detail about it…each one of you has to do that for your referance (speaking in pricipal not to you personaly)
you dont see me getting high fived and allied with other posters who are mostly white and dont want to acknowledge the legacy of slavery still is in effect and racism still exists..they are mostly arguing against that…
and , its obvious ,Im not a lock stepper…. i dont sound like a republican or democrat..
and, I am armed with information that can slit a white racists jugalar and draw and quarter any of these notions of contributions by black Americans, Afro diaspora and the genius of black ancient Africa…I can arm an anti white racist to death …but, Ive seen anti white racists get burned on here, so I dont think that is the criteria or safe haven purpose it might seem on this blog
but, what ever that purpose, it gets into things that are hard to discuss in a lot of places and still is open to all kinds of people for debate
a blog owner gets to put his concepts as the points of referance and he has the right to dictate the flow…
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“Seriously, boo freakin hoo.”
This fool knows nothing about my ethnic identity or anything else. He also seems to think I’m upset. Not the case. I just point out the nonsense used to silence dissent. And also the actual derailments used to avoid arguments. I consider it a public service preventing other people from wasting time on this blog.
“Catching Feelings” What a dumbass expression. This fool also knows nothing about my ethnic identity, let alone whether or not I experienced racism.
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A blog owner does have the right to dictate flow. I just think he should be honest. If he is going to go down that route he should admit it for his readers’ benefit.
I’m not replying to you specifically, B.R., but I’m not getting where it seems like I’m wanting to make friends or something. I want rules to be followed in discussion. If my style seems sincere and emotionally persuasive, that’s just rhetorical skill.
As if anybody is supposed to tolerate a bunch of rudeness used to avoid arguments.
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Asplund,
“Silencing dissent”…as you go on and on and on with your complaints. A “public service” huh? Well aren’t we feeling self important today. Hahahaha…
Avoiding arguments!? In some some parallel universe maybe because there have been plenty or viewpoints batted around here. You just want Abagond and most of the folks here to suffer fools more gladly than they already are.
As I said, boo freakin hoo.
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@ Asplund
Mocking? Where in the post do I mock the issue? Where do I not take it seriously?
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@ Asplund @ ks: Comments deleted for insulting language.
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Cool. I kind of figured once it got dragged into the “yo momma” territory it was gone.
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Ha yeah.
It’s all good. Abagond let me give my opinion. I’ve got no more to say about it.
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Do you have some issues inregards to bias, prejudice and moral blindness to black people and other POC as compared to white people?
Sure; but on a whole I wouldn’t say this blog is anti-white or geared towards that.
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@ Asplund
Which threads are you talking about exactly? What should I NOT write about? And, while we are at it, what SHOULD I be writing about?
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D brings up some very good points in his/her posts. Black Americans have tried and are still trying to coexist with a people who, by far and large, really prefer not coexisting with them. They’ve made token efforts to convey otherwise, but their true thoughts on the issue always bubble up to the surface – the idiots recreating the Trayvon Martin shooting for kicks, for example.
So white culture won’t let black Americans coexist, but neither will they let them maintain their own successful enclaves, as evinced by Black Wall Street and Rosewood. Marcus Garvey’s attempts to “repatriate” black Americans to an African “homeland” fell through when it became patently clear that, as D or another poster brought up, black Americans didn’t have the same devious bloodlust that allowed their white counterparts to literally terraform the North American continent for their own settlement.
As for the “melting pot” model, that’s not working out either. In fact, its a nasty business – white males having their way with the most attractive black females and hoping that the resulting “half-breeds” manage to lighten themselves up through quadrooning and octarooning until they can eventually pass for “white” seems to be the only acceptable model.
So the only thing left to do is to carve out our own homeland from this country our forefathers were dragged to against their will, where we can finally be left alone among our own people to prosper and thrive, right? D believes that’ll only happen once the U.S. finally faces the same sort of downward trajectory that the Roman Empire faced in its twilight, allowing us to finally establish our own homeland with minimum interference.
I don’t know what to think about this, honestly, except to say that we won’t be seeing our 40 acres and a mule under a flag of our very own in our lifetimes. Perhaps the next generation and future generations may come to see repeated efforts at coexisting with white culture to be a futile effort and start making preparations for when the time comes to carve out their own nation from this country’s remnants. Perhaps we ourselves can start making preparations through…
…this.
On another note, I see guys like B.R., Asplund, Joker and October put a tremendous amount of effort in occupying physical and mental space on this blog. All because they’ve found exactly what they’re looking for – a receptive audience they can whip up in a frenzy with their nonsensical whining and arguments. Fruitful conversations get derailed and everyone’s mental space gets clogged up with troll banter.
They can’t get an audience like that at SWPDL, Stormfront or even Free Republic – they’d end up just preaching to the choir and that’s no fun at all. Shame we can’t even have our own spaces to vent without folks like these showing up to spew all over it for their own amusement.
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“On another note, I see guys like B.R., Asplund, Joker and October put a tremendous amount of effort in occupying physical and mental space on this blog. All because they’ve found exactly what they’re looking for – a receptive audience they can whip up in a frenzy with their nonsensical whining and arguments. Fruitful conversations get derailed and everyone’s mental space gets clogged up with troll banter.”
They can’t get an audience like that at SWPDL, Stormfront or even Free Republic – they’d end up just preaching to the choir and that’s no fun at all. Shame we can’t even have our own spaces to vent without folks like these showing up to spew all over it for their own amusement.”
You are totally wrong. Again, jumping to conclusions you don’t know anything about. I would never post on any of those racist sites. For one thing I doubt they’d allow an “octaroon” like me to even participate. And regarding the idea that because some buffonish dumbasses engage in ridiculously stupid behavior, then that means there has to be a political secession of 42 million people- I find that a little silly. I don’t think that secession by itself is necessarily bad, but to use something that little importance as your rallying flag………
You know the world is more complicated than “Stormfront” and “Hotep!!!” There are all sorts of nuances to how people think and all sorts of delicate positions people can take.
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Lol @ “B.R., Asplund, Joker, and October.”
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I changed the intro a bit. This is now Broken Record #21.
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ROFL! 😀
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@Asplund
““B.R., Asplund, Joker, and October.”—I have to agree with the laughter on this one. I have never known B.R. to fit in line with Da jokah’s or October’s ideas. As for you don’t know where you fit in.
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Is Asplund still at it??? What’s the deal??
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LOL@Blog
I am trying to help black people destroy stereotypes and in turn destroy what little remnant of racism is left in this society…and I am being labeled a racist??
Come on now people, David Carroll is one black American that could be a great leader of the black community, don’t you agree? I think every effort should be made for him to get a wider audience. I would also like to point out my admiration of Pastor David Manning but minus the religion.
If you want stereotypes to disappear you need to tackle those head on and in turn you will see supposed racism vanish…. These gentlemen do that.
Here is Dr. Manning on one of his famous truthful speeches
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuwlqeNRElI)
Here is a classic from Mr. Carroll
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPabIkRO2o)
Watch, learn, embrace.
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@Brothawolf
If I had to guess a need of attention or guilt efforts. I don’t know anymore.
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Shakes my head at these racist white people, they aren’t happy, unless they are trying to put black people, in their place. -_-
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Abagond,
So, the blog is anti white because you blog the truth and because those who are vetted by white supremacy are forced to take off the rose painted glasses and see the” other”? Um……This blog is not for the racist majority!! We (POC) have a right to process, analyze, intellectually and systematically dismantle the pain white supremacy has brought on people of color. We are obligated to do this. If you don’t like it…..tough. Troll elsewhere.
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@Asplund
I’ve always found going to war with the largest empire of all time over tea and stamp taxes to be insane, yet here we are. Really, secessions have occurred over sillier things than an earnest desire for enrichment and prosperity, which we cannot achieve without a government invested in putting our interests before those of everyone else. Between our gerrymandered electoral system and the means by which taxes our allocated, we can’t enrich ourselves through American governance.
But you’re a history professor, so tell me: have two ethnic groups with a history similar to that of White Americans and Black Americans ever reconciled and became one ethnicity, because as far as I can tell the answer is “no”. And I don’t mean temporarily joining forces for a while in the face of a common obstacle, even the US and the USSR can work together for a while. I mean a real synthesis of identity, culture, and collective memory.
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@Asplund
I really don’t care about the buffoonish, ridiculous behavior. Even if no one was mocking the death of a teenager via blackface, or elevating a pair of Youtube warriors to being “intellectuals” (ugh, seriously, that’s what passes for intellectual October? Either you’ve never taken a class beyond the eighth grade, or you hold Black intellect to a very low standard).
We would be economically stronger w/o the United States acting as a drain on our resources and labor, which could otherwise be used to increase our wealth and power instead of the power of a country that, as October correctly observes, is EUROPEAN (White) and Western. We are guests here, though the word “guest” suggests that there is a respect between ourselves and our hosts that frankly doesn’t exist. We are perpetual foreigners in the land of our birth, and I’m sick of it. I want my own house.
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@October
Leaders are charismatic, dynamic visionaries, with a plan for the future. David Carroll possesses none of those qualities. He is not a leader, he is a discontented bystander stewing in resentment, disappointment, and melancholy who believes that we can lift ourselves of poverty with magical thinking straight out of Rhonda Byrrne’s book. Leaders have strategies, not messages.
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@October
Leaders don’t lecture, they lead. They do not preach tired platitudes of self-help, they organize others to solve concrete problems. They don’t sit in front of a laptop, wearing shades indoors like he’s blind, spouting stale ideas we’ve all heard before but always amount to nothing. Dubois has said the same. Washington has said the same. Malcolm has said the same. Martin has said the same. Louis Farrakhan has said the same. Bill Cosby has said the same. Black people from all over the political spectrum have been talking that talk, but Marcus Garvey is the only one who had ever ACTED! Alas, if he talked even less and kept his cards close, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Show me someone who acts, and I’ll take you seriously.
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David Carroll encompasses everything that’s wrong with the previous generation: the belief that “Consciousness” and psychotherapy is going to save us, rather than bold leadership, organization, cunning, ambition, tenacity, and a general disregard about offending people (he’s got that last one down at least). That what is necessary is some kind mass enlightenment as if it’s the effing Matrix. (I’m sorry guys, but Generation X, you’re a huge let down to your parents and children, and you should be ashamed. Shame!) Seriously, he is just as addicted to unproductive naval gazing as his liberal counterparts. I. Am. Not. Impressed.
“Take the Red Pill, man! Vote Republican!” Yes, because Republican leadership has worked so well for our rural southern brothers and sisters. They don’t get the spotlight like those in the northern ghettos, but I assure you they are just as poor, if not poorer.
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@ D
“We would be economically stronger w/o the United States acting as a drain on our resources and labor, which could otherwise be used to increase our wealth and power instead of the power of a country that, as October correctly observes, is EUROPEAN (White) and Western. We are guests here, though the word “guest” suggests that there is a respect between ourselves and our hosts that frankly doesn’t exist. We are perpetual foreigners in the land of our birth, and I’m sick of it. I want my own house.”
Absolutely true and to be quite damn frank, I’m not down with anyone who doesn’t feel this way. I’m not down with being a homebuilder and not living in the house like my ancestors did.
Marcus Garvey was the last reality-addressing Black leader we’ve had. That was nearly a whole century ago. I’m down with Dr. Umar Infatunde and the likes. I’m not going to hear whatever else. Eff that.
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@D
. . . Slow clap
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October
I’m not a leader, but I’ll act like one by saying that we don’t need your brand of help which is nothing more than helping yourself into our business.
If you want stereotypes to disappear, use your so-called brain and think critically. See us as individuals instead of as a monolith. See us as human beings. If that’s too much to ask, go to Breitbart.com and hung out over there where you are more welcome.
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The Southern African-Americans are pretty poor but the south as a whole is pretty poor so there is a slight balancing affect.
Though it does bring up one thing; when they mention the average AA as being pretty poor but they don’t factor in the area they live in.
Can’t remember the numbers but it was something like the thirty grand range was the average wage for AA’s; which is basically what the average AA makes in the south but in the south that is pretty much the average paycheck, white or otherwise.
And factor in that 60% of AA live in the south…..so if they didn’t factor in for where they live; then that 60% of the south is being referenced as for the average paycheck of all AA and not just the southern AA.
Then the aspect of racism with property costing less in PoC neighborhoods.
The organization concept does bring up a good point, if AA wanted to they could create an organization to help nurture and reinforce them economically, set up scholarships, loans for business building etc….I mean by comparison they have similar numbers of people as Poland while having a superior economic base than Poland.
And Poland’s a country that funds its own healthcare, military, police, school systems etc…..
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@D,
You are laying it down! To be fair, the others (Dubois, Washington, Martin, etc.) did act. They just acted within the narrow confines of relatively “allowable” actions while Garvey was truly revolutionary but, I can’t be mad at the formers as I can’t imagine what it was like for them to navigate such a directly hostile society. Unfortunately they have been mostly stripped of all their relevant meaning and made into “civil rights” caricatures.
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Asplund, I think if any non Afro descendant posts on this blog, and, if they want to be received with any kind of respect, they have to at least acknowledge the enormous contribution black Americans have made to the foundation of American culture , and, then, be able to acknowledge that the people who gave us this culture , have received obstacles, barriors , discrimination and violence , at trying to find a place in our societies
without this minimum ackowledgement, expect to be received defensively
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D. –
Touché regarding the stamps and tea.
For the record I think black America could function as a separate nation. Don’t wanna go off topic, but if the political will was there I’d think it’d be possible.
I don’t think it would necessarily be too painful a transition either, provided the handover was peaceful and the right people were in charge of both societies. What about autonomous membership in a commonwealth. Seems to be working out for some First Nations.
There were points I was a little too hard on Abagond in the thread. Again it was an honorable move to give some folks some room to wail. I’ve made my complaints and and don’t want to over do it though. I’ve said too much already.
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Mack, well , this happens on here , so Im not surprised that because I happen, right or wrong, to debate American foreign policy issues, and not fit in with your beleifs, that you fog that over into being a white racist
Mbetti called me a racist for disagreeing with Chomsky (thank you , Legion, for not doing that), and debating about SSA , whether right or wrong, , with the premise of the need to ackowledge black African genius…..
so, if that is your criteria, by all means lump me in with what you perceive as the problem
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Marcus Garvey was right about one thing and only one thing….he knew the pinko liberal left would use gullible African Americans(like the ones on this blog) to vote exclusively to the party that is keeping the negro reliant and poor…..That is being practiced to this very day.
Of course you lefties and race industry lemmings are too blind to see it.
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You know, i wonder if there isnt a huge number of black Americans who think they dont want a seperate state, they might actualy love being in america , and just want somne kind of justice
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My comments are in moderation lol
There is no way African Americans could run their own country…sorry guys that is not even possible…it would be Anarchy at best to be honest. Not because I don’t think certain black AAs could lead a country but its citizens would make it Anarchy at best.
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I am not saying I disagree with your viewpoint, but what I take out of this post of yours is you want a place where only replies in agreement with the original commentary show up. There is no room for dissenting viewpoints in the comments section of this blog? Isn’t that going against the idea of freedom of speech…sort of? Or are you saying go ahead and post, but be ready to be ridiculed or slammed? Perhaps Abagond should somehow change his blog onto a website that can accept followers and block out those who are considered disrupters to the general discussion…or maybe this website already has that function I don’t know. With me, when one “race” takes pokes at another “race” (and I don’t care which “race” is doing it) it ruffles my feathers because I am an equal opportunity type fellow…I think people should look toward solutions and stop tearing each other apart. If people did this everyone would have written their peace and this readers comments would have ended two days ago.
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Jeez, it doesn’t say so, but my last comment was to be in response to Jacque…here it is below:
“Jacque
Abagond,
So, the blog is anti white because you blog the truth and because those who are vetted by white supremacy are forced to take off the rose painted glasses and see the” other”? Um……This blog is not for the racist majority!! We (POC) have a right to process, analyze, intellectually and systematically dismantle the pain white supremacy has brought on people of color. We are obligated to do this. If you don’t like it…..tough. Troll elsewhere.”
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I will be honest here, I am White. I grew up in the 80’s in an area that did not have a lot of of Blacks in it. I was not taught by my parents that Blacks were less than Whites. In fact, my father didn’t like Jews; so until I got older and could understand more of the world, I had some of those same feelings and thoughts.
I will also be honest about my thoughts about what I see here. Racism is found in every society and every ethnicity on this planet. White groups think they are better than Blacks. There are people on this very blog that think Blacks are superior to Whites. There are Mexicans who hate both Blacks and White, and vice-versa. Racism, in its purest form, is ANYONE who hates/dislikes/discriminates or thinks that someone is in ANY WAY, inferior to the person making that judgement based on ANY criteria, like skin color, religion, birth place, hair color..etc etc etc.
Getting around to the point… it is that we are ** all racists** to some point and degree. Was I enslaved or any of my ancestors? No and I admit as a human being that it was horrible for that to happen to any group of people, I don’t care what color they were; and we all know it happened to Whites as well as Blacks and to just about every other Ethnicity, as we go back through the millennia of human history. It is/was/will always be wrong. I will not try to pretend I know what you or those before you went through, as I cannot. What I do know is that if things are to change, for EVERYONE, the blame has to stop. What happened in the past cannot be undone. We have only control over what happens right now and in the short-term future.
Don’t use what you know and believe, to hate. Use it to TEACH, what not to become; and that goes for ALL sides, all people! Show everyone around you that none of us will be defined by a past that we had no control over. Lets face it folks, our children learn from us, how they should feel and act. If I were to tell them Black people should be kept in the gutter then that is what they would grow up believing. If you tell your children White people are the bane of all the Blacks no matter anything else, then that is what they will grow up believing. How in the hell is that going to improve anything for anyone?
Hatred breeds violence, and violence doesn’t care what skin color you have.
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@: October
This is an extraordinary, simplistic claim with no expansion into worthwhile argument.
For a start you display the usual establishment-fostered misunderstanding of Anarchy/Anarchism (if you meant it in the erroneous, corrupted, contemporary sense of “chaos” then your capitalisation makes no sense). African Americans not only could run their own country, but to do so basing the project on Anarchist cooperative values would set an example to the supposedly civilised western world as to how to create a sustainable, inclusive, equal society that does not destroy its environment.
What sensible reason do you offer why African Americans couldn’t run a country according to the current massive-state capitalist template, if they wanted to? If all the white people vanished and were replaced one-for-one by comparably qualified and experienced African American people why should anything change?
Of course, why the hell they would want to retain the current system is another matter. IMO, to retain an elitist hierarchical system would simply be to replace one’s racist oppressors with a new version whose prejudice is based upon class. The new boss would, at heart, be the same as the old boss, just a little less pale of skin.
But a brand new society free of the inequality of the current one? Not only would African Americans have the motivation to make it work (for they know first hand, as a coherent group, what it is like to live under an oppressive, elitist regime) but I’d envy them the opportunity.
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The Anarchist Movement? You have to be kidding me Buddhuu…I really do thank gosh that, coming to Brazil to be near beach life and culture , I had no idea I would get such an unexpected education on the cold war, a much greater understanding of marxism , cambio fluxuations, South American political dynamic, Farc and Hugo Chavez etc
I mean really , I dont care what you learned on paper, right now down here in Brazil, riots in nthe streets are becoming cronic, ive almost gotten caught in them three times out on tour, and the violent, property destroying represntations of the Anarchy Movement are manifested in the group called “the Black Block”..and black has nothing to do with race, because these punks are mostly lily white , mostly students, except when they actualy pay thugs to do some of the violence.
These naive chumps run around breaking public phones, buses and public bank machines, all things poor people badly need ,screaming anti capatalistic , marxist phrases , against the government for getting the copa and olympics in Brazil, when the people in power are the workers party and the guy in charge of some of the commitees is the communist party…talk about ridiculas
while a black construction worker helper is tortured and killed by the police in Rio, torture being one of the huge issues of the dictatorship, these weirdos are protesting for free bus fares and saving dog in animal rights protests, and bringing their violence everytime…the black block, the anarchistic movement with roots in Germany (yeah, Kwamla,thanks for that info you brought in of that clip with the guys with thw German accents, you put me ahead of the curve when i read in the paper down here that the black block was an Anarchy Movement that started in Germany) , infiltrates un violent protests and then goes off into their rampages
I wouldnt trust these people to run squat
why is it , when disscussing what black people really need out here, it attracts some of the most quack political ideas, that in truth would just run black people over the cliff?
the right answer is, black americans were given nothing after slavery and on top of that have had the worst obstacles and discriminations dumped on them to deal with…and have survived that…as a matter of fact, I learned so much from seeing how black people survived out in this racist world with still so much grace and poise…of course black people could make their own way alone if they wanted to
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@October
You realize that the liberal left of Garvey’s day were Republicans, right? We have indeed tried our luck with both parties, and both parties failed to empower us. The greatest American liberal lie of all, the lie that makes people like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Cornel West continue on their fool’s crusade, is the belief that we could ever have a place in your country. That you could unite the world in common humanity. The atrocities committed by the Liberal West in the 20th century make your short comings plain for all to see.
Also: we are not guillible, we just hate the GOP. I am going to be frank: unless you are FDR, you will not win the Black vote and the “Real American” (Rural White) vote at the same time. We despise each other, and while I never take anything in the game of power personally, “Real America” never has our interests in mind. The poverty of Southern Black Americans makes that demonstrably true.
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Legion,
Thanks.
October,
Are you a racist?
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@ October
A stereotype is an untrue generalization about a group. So by definition they are not affected by the truth or based on it. If they were they would not be called stereotypes.
Instead stereotypes are based on confirmation bias:
Stereotypes say more about the stereotyper than the stereotyped:
Bottom line: Stereotypes about blacks are not caused by anything blacks are doing wrong. They are caused by the NEED of whites to see blacks as screwed up so that they can see themselves as good people:
Stereotypes will not go away till whites become better parents.
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Last comment is in moderation, but that’s okay. Now to talk to people I can actually respect.
@B. R.
This may be the American in me talking, but there is no greater justice to be had for an oppressed people than independence. In my experience, Black Americans want Black self-sustenance: Black Schools, Black Businesses, Black Banks, Black Space Programs, All-Black Everything. Self-governance is the only way to achieve all of the above. Most of us already know this, but because this is ‘Merica, not India, many of us think the only way to accomplish this is through war. Low and behold, you have people prophesying Helter Skelter in the streets. With a government of our own, we can establish the curriculum, we can protect our businesses from foreign competition using tariffs and immigration policy (Gentrification No More!), and come now must I really explain the Space Program?
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@Asplund
Oh, we’ve long been offtopic. Abagond would have stopped me by now if he didn’t find the discussion productive at least. So long as we’re not trollish, we should be good.
That is how I’d like to go about it, so long we have access to the sea. Though we’d need much more land. Even California has a smaller population than Black America.
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@Rick Buddhuu
Marx predicted that class would disappear. He was wrong. However, there are advantages to an (almost) mono-ethnic nation-state. Establishing a social democracy would be much easier. I dare say that socialist, safety net governance is incompatible with multi-ethnic society. Take England for starters: there were no qualms with government assistance, so long as those being assisted were White and British. Now that the immigrant population has reached a critical mass of 8% or so, or last I checked, austerity reigns.
Humans simply aren’t wired to sympathize with people not of our own tribe. Poor and impoverished people who aren’t in our tribe are “freeloaders”, “parasites”, and an American favorite, “Welfare Queens”. The reason why European socialism works (or used to work) is because each tribe had a country of their own. The French have France, the Spanish have Spain, the Swedish have Sweden, and so on.
I can only hope such a society would be free of inequality, but I doubt it. There is no reason to believe that our experience with oppression would make us any wiser if Israel couldn’t pull it off. I would fight for the rights of non-Black people in this hypothetical society. However, we are arguably the most hated people on the planet; I doubt there would be that much immigration aside from those from the Caribbean and Africa.
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@October
That’s none of your concern sunshine, ’cause it ain’t your country. To embrace autonomy and accept the consequences of our actions, whether they be glorious or tragic, is the very crux of responsibility.
Self-sufficiency = sovereignty
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Great post, Agabond. I think your blog is excellent. Informed, informative, thoughtful, thought-provoking.
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Legion, it was another thread , based on his cumlative feelings of my long posts, and its obvious my feelings on Chomsky were part of it, and from SSA
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@ B.R.
You really can’t tell thugs who call themselves Anarchists from people who subscribe to the principles advanced by people such as Kropotkin (to choose the example that people are most likely to have heard of)?
Many of the people who adopt the label “Anarchist” have no understanding of the political philosophy beyond what they’ve been fed – i.e., “Yay, revolution! Let’s break stuff and put people against walls…”
@ D:
Marxism is not a practical way forward. It never was. Marx wasn’t an anarchist: he never fully explored the moral or justice issues. He was hung up on economics.
Class will not spontaneously disappear or simply evolve out. It will have to be eliminated by acts of collective will. Something that those in positions of privilege user their wealth and influence to prevent.
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Apologies, just realised I’m dragging this off topic.
If anyone still thinks I’m sane enough to argue with, maybe do it on Open Thread.
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@Rick Buddhuu
Fair ‘nough. Admittedly, I know much less than I’d like to about anarchy and socialism, and I’m not sure where to begin learning before I form an opinion.
There’s an adage: “We learn history to avoid the mistakes of the past”. I think it’s false; history always repeats itself. Rather, we learn history to know what is possible. What we see throughout history is the rise of stratified, urbanized civilizations time and time again. That implies to me that a world without class is unobtainable. The only societies that don’t develop class are very small and very isolated, like self-sustaining remote mountain villages in the Afghan mountains.
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it does relate though…Buddhuu,these are university students, who sometimes pay thugs to break things…they learn from their professors, if university students cant really seperate the differances, then its just a great example it looks good on paper but doesnt play out on the ground
Thinking capatalism is the problem isnt valid..yes, predatory , hyper cpatalism is a problem, where the rich get richer, and has to be dealt with, but not by justg eliminating capatalism
if you remove the obstacles and barriors of racism, black people do wonderful at capatalism
forget vamping on capatalism to cure racism, you have to vamp on racism to deal with racism
I mean communism didnt stop racism in cuba, and i dont think castro is a blatent racist (che was)
getting hung up on capatalism just doesnt really deal with racism
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OFF TOPIC: Anarchism
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Agreed. I’ll keep any mention of it to the open Thread.
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Just a question, Abagond, how about taking the “anti American” out of the thread , which is about “your blog is anti white”?
I mean surly you know that “anti American” opens up a huge huge huge spectrum of debate…that these subjects fall squarly under…
if we talk “anti american,”, you know ‘capatalism ” and “anti capatalism” fall directly in that…and you know what is next…..
but whatever you say…I just feel very strongly racism seeps through all of these political isms
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I find it strange that they find this blog anti White when we are living in an anti Black society that dehumanizes it’s Black citizens everyday. It is crazy. I believe they find this blog anti White because they are uncomfortable with the fact that Abagond talks about White racism in his posts and how minorities are affected by this. To me, that is racist because we are living in a time when the White population is in decline. They see any Black oriented things such as BET, Abagond etc as racist because fear Black people knowing their history and getting to love and embrace being Black.
Most of all, they fear a country where White people are the minority and where a non White person is in charge of something. They feel that they are superior because of their White skin. And they hate it when a blog like this speaks the truth about White supremacy and how it affects minorities because it disproves their logic and thinking that White is right.
Honestly I don’t find your blog anti White. Your blog has helped me with many incidents I have already faced in my young life regarding racism. Thus I applaud you for speaking up against White supremacy and I hope you keep on doing this blog .
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* I mean to them, that is racist.
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Racism is like the religious thing, it stands too heavily on its own…things are done in the name of racism or religion in these other political agendas, they are sub serviant to racism and religious dogmas..
all bets are off when it is racism
all bets are off when it is religion
beleive me, the commies are a tight third but the hyper caps are 6 inches directly behind them
both of them just flip the switch because they are about power and wealth and greed
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B.R.
I disagree that racism is like religious but both are very controversial topics. Combined with hatred and the power to oppress those you hate, racism is a system that oppresses others. Racism = White supremacy. And racism is a system where Whites have advantages over non Whites based on the fact that they are White much to the disadvantage of Blacks and other minorities.
And religion is also a controversial topic too. I think people take religion too far and impose religion on everyone. It is ridiculous.
To say racism is like religion is wrong.
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i dont care if yous say cause im white im racist i know im really not
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ask around the way
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@V8Driver
You don’t even know where I am coming from! White supremacy = racism and if anyone doesn’t get that then they are clueless.
According to scholars, racism is a system of advantages. Read this link. http://www.sociologyinfocus.com/2012/01/09/got-whiteness-scholars-say-youre-racist/
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Whites find things like this racist because they’ve been trained not to say these kinds of things about other culture’s and races all their lives, and if they do they can have serious repercussions.
When the various SJW and the like go around talking about culture purity/cultural appropriation and you know if any white guy said the same thing about not letting others use anglo-culture they would be called racist as fuck.
I mean if a white guy said so and so group; that the majority were morally weaker than they were, most would interpret that as the white guy being racist.
Whether they could be right or not.
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Really? I didn’t know that.
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@ main post / Abagond
“It is like the Nazis or Stormfront”
Nah, Nowhere near. Your posts usually (90% of the time) are very thoughtful and the way you treat your commenters suggests you are patient and fair when dealing with other people. You also tend to be so idealistic that is may seem freakish and naive to cynical a**holes such as myself. 🙂
I do think you have some biases and subjective opinions you see as facts, but that doesn’t automatically make you hateful or bigoted. IMO it’s normal. It’s human.
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@adeen i get it i am in a derivative manner racist because i alledgedly benefit from the legacy of racism, which is really in my opinion big business that has just changed shape a little, it is class as well as race
well what i have been dancing around is that all americans then are some type of way in that same category i said it to abagond i don’t think he liked also it was not well put by me
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but me? personally? naaaa seriously, wow. nope. i’m not even going to entertain that notion, sorry
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i could not live with myself if i though otherwise at this point in my life and stuff
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@v8driver
Yes, this is my perspective, too. Whites uphold White supremacy through racism, but minorities also join in empowering it through internalized racism. This shows itself in various ways in numerous minority cultures in the Western world.
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I think the idea that only whites can be racist is an idea that is definitely anti- white. It’s too reductionist- there are instances of black ” institutional power,” especially at the local level, and yes, it is significant that we have a black president. Black Americans do have some power in certain instances to politically damage others based on race if they so choose. And anyway, an act of physical violence is a form of power. Secondly that notion does hint that whites are an inherent enemy of blacks, and that can lead to more conflict, but not unity or harmony between the races.
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While I definitely don’t think all Whites hold prejudice against Blacks, (and this is an idea often presented, which I personally don’t agree with), still, Blacks just don’t have the power to systematically oppress White people as an entire group. Obama doesn’t even have the power to move without the Republicans’ say so. Black person/s can oppress White person/s, but not the White population. Racism is taught, it’s not down to Whites being an inherent enemy of Blacks. You’ve got to understand that even when White people belittle the systematic oppressions of Blacks, by alluding to the idea that Blacks could just use their own agency to undo their problems, it’s that very dismissal that protects it (Black oppression), by way of defending it from being challenged. Once one opens up that door, you’re essentially saying Blacks are at fault for their own oppressions. Which is a convenient and popular demonization of Blacks, to be blamed for their own oppressions. That would almost lead to the door of Blacks are inherently messed up, and this is why they encounter the issues they do.
You may have to do some research on the war on drugs, the demonizations and false stat propaganda continually being circulated in the news regarding BW and Black family. The model minority (as far as grades) being African students, who are still the least likely to find employment after graduation, Black women being fired over wearing their hair texture in a natural state, over a perm, (which are toxic). I could list and list things to paint a picture of how your character, your Blackness, is continually distorted, and how economically, judicially, socially, in media, etc, Blacks are living in a very anti Black world, and this is the problem. There is a thread here called Joshua Solomon, about a White guy who dyed his skin Black to see what it would be like, because he didn’t believe members of the Black community when they spoke on the issue of being Black in America. I would highly recommend you read it.
When rational members of the Black community discuss White supremacy, they’re discussing a systematic situation.
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Asplund
I think the idea that only whites can be racist is an idea that is definitely anti- white. It’s too reductionist- there are instances of black ” institutional power,” especially at the local level, and yes, it is significant that we have a black president. Black Americans do have some power in certain instances to politically damage others based on race if they so choose. And anyway, an act of physical violence is a form of power. Secondly that notion does hint that whites are an inherent enemy of blacks, and that can lead to more conflict, but not unity or harmony between the races.
I haven’t read all the comments, but I disagree that only whites can be racist. There is such a thing called internalized racism which is a byproduct of systematic and interpersonal racism from whites against blacks. There are PoC with negative perceptions about other PoC and themselves, and they behave accordingly.
Still, the history of this nation can not deny that white racism is the focal point behind its past and present attitudes regarding blacks. And no matter how many black-on-white crimes there have been up to the very second, it still pales in comparison to white-on-black racism which is really institutionalized violence.
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@ebonymonroe in the ac-130 gunship thread a ways back, also i think christians more violent than muslims? also i posited (deleted comments) that can you really gauge the policy of a violent regime as being the will of everyone in the society? no you cannot, if you ask me. unfortunately the leaders have nuclear missiles, complete secrecy, and ‘lockdown’ procedures for the general populace.
my personality will not allow me to to be considered in the same ‘milieu’ as that whole trip, i mean there is the whole thing of police violence etc but that is only the contact point between idk what we’re talking about here, it is an underclass concept posited by the ruling elite the dividing line being a badge, basically, or attachment to the military-(ex)industrial-“healthcare”-prison complex now
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as far as white on black racism goes in general there is gonna be obvious inertia against change, the effort needs to go towards a. where the power is and b. where change is even possible
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@ebonymonroe
“You’ve got to understand that even when White people belittle the systematic oppressions of Blacks, by alluding to the idea that Blacks could just use their own agency to undo their problems, it’s that very dismissal that protects it (Black oppression), by way of defending it from being challenged.”
again this is partisan politics coming through the filter of top-down vetted information coming through the media, most average ‘dude on the street’ person if you stopped him and said, you know, do you think blacks are ‘destroying themselves en masse’ would probably be quite perplexed and that is such a loaded and deep issue it really defies a concise phrasing to be asked, much less answered, and in my opinion is a wider issue of poverty, neglect of schools, and general disdain of the elites towards the people who in most cases would love to just have a damn job and a house, i mean really.
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it seems a little unfair but i guess in some sense what is seen as a ‘black issue’ is really what is troubling the usa in general, i mean we are all suffering
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granted it affects the black community most i mean and is not to be minimized or ignored or sidestepped at all.
but a lot of people are out there, no or poor education, job skills not there, it is a freakin mess, and there are no factories left here, it is a true nightmare
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I don’t want to give anyone the impression that I think black in white racism/ hostility is remotely equal to white in black. Hardly. I just think we all need checks on our aggression/ ideology, even if someone has a just cause.
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@asplund
“Secondly that notion does hint that whites are an inherent enemy of blacks, and that can lead to more conflict, but not unity or harmony between the races.”
it is hard for a mere citizen to refute what comes out of the tv, providing a divisive atmosphere, creating discordant sub-strata in the sub-ruling class, i’m not sure of the power of an image vs. spoken/written words in terms of psychological impact but there certainly are more cues thrown out in a 30 second commercial or 30 minute ‘sit-com’ than can be counted besides the textual presentation
why are you in denial there is a serious problem going around and just try to work with it, man.
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@v8driver
This is the point, you’re not a racist. You can see the correlation between class, systematic glass ceilings being put in position by elites, and you’re able to identify the outcome of Black suffering being no different to other races of people in the same position; just that it is often exacerbed in a community at the bottom of the totem pole.
But this is not usually the case of the average non Black person. Many non Blacks by into the media demonizations and spins of the Black community, and many come to a place of saying “why can’t you just get it together, it’s your own fault, you can do anything if you set your mind to it.” And when Blacks discuss the exacerbation in their community, as it pertains to being the last and lowest in America, (the Western world in fact), and institutional racism, it can often lead to. . . “you’re imagining things, you’re feeling sorry for yourself, you’re just lazy and expect a handout.”
@Asplund
In regards to your last post, believe it or not, I have read comments from Black posters on here who have completely disagreed with some of the prejudice showcased towards White people as a whole on here. I’m not in agreement with such positions, and though it may seem heavy, and I will admit just from being here a short time, I have come across some accusations about the intentions of all White people that were so far fetched that it made giggle. You have to take the meat and leave the bones. Some slightly Black women hate speech finds its way on here from time to time as well, I just take the meat and leave the bones.
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@Asplund
Familiarity breeds contempt. You put any two ethnicities together in close proximity and there will be conflict, even if there was no bad blood between them. Unfortunately, there is much bad blood to be had between Black and White Americans. The prognosis is grim. Unity and harmony would be nice, but I’d rather be realistic.
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Face—–palm @typos.
*a systematic glass ceiling
*other races of people put in the same positions;
*Many non Blacks buy into
*why can’t you just get it together?
*White people, as a whole, on here.
*it made me giggle.
*Some slightly extreme, and heavy Black woman hate speech((
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V8-
I hope I’m not giving off the impression of a denier. I don’t deny that our society is severely racist. I’m not a “bootstrap” personae. I believe that black Americans suffer from institutionalized racism, hence my support for reparations.
D- It’s sad but true that we have to be realistic about all this.
Ebony- I am The Lord of typos due to my having to use a phone. Don’t feel bad all your post is clear.
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Words have definitions so that we can understand a concept , and then compare and contrast that understanding to “arrive at ” at a greater “shared” resolution and understanding . I could be incorrect , but as well as I have been able to determine so far , the best description of the system bearing the bloody teeth of white supremacy is “RACISM” . Racism is made up and comprised of PREJUDICE multiplied by POWER . Given that understanding of Racism = Prejudice + Power , Black people living in America or any other place on the planet under the control of the SWS , have only been reacting defensively to the offensive actions of the white slaver and colonizer .
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The “Bootstrap Myth” is actually more or less correct.
8/10 black people are middle class and up despite social bigotry and being given poorer educations; not being near as willing to use social aids as much as white people are.
People seem to judge black people by their worst; even it seems black people who have internalized racism but the truth is; the vast majority of black people are stable and have their shit together.
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Which; kind of shows the racism of the SJW’s doesn’t it?
I mean if you look at how they describe the black or various PoC communities there isn’t a hell of a lot of difference between their opinion and the extreme racists opinion, they just react differently to the ideas being presented.
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@V-4
I believe the stats are more like 5/10. Personally, I consider that fact that we survived without being royally screwed up an accomplishment in itself, but I digress.
You may find this interesting:
http://www.chaunceydevega.com/2013/09/season-2-of-our-podcast-series-is-here.html
Let’s not lose touch with reality though; we are not operating at full capacity for the reasons I’ve already touched upon. If they were truly invested in our condition, they’d give us free reign over our dealings instead of gentrifying Harlem, unpacking Invisible Knapsacks, and navel gazing upon Privilege.
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What’s SWS and SJW
There’s a documentary on Stacks records, (the name escapes me at this time). Stacks records did the unthinkable; they set up Black owned banks in the Black community, they started a metropolis of thriving Black owned businesses catering to the Black community, they set up independent Black owned community outreach programmes, Black neighborhood councils, financial support for Black political figures. They created a Black owned real estate firm for Black neighborhoods, car dealerships, etc. All while flourishing as Stacks, the record label.
What happened did you say? They were gutted to the core by uncle sam, and their organization demonized so much so that there was no coming back from it. The various attempts to spin riches into wealth, and then into an independently thriving Black community, fly under the radar, but we have tried, and even almost succeeded.
@Asplund
Aw thanks, I’m not usually at my computer either, my writing ends up looking like the incoherent ramblings of a well meaning h@lfwit.
@D
As always, great and thorough points.
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SJW means social justice warrior. Your Tim Wise and Atheist Plus types who, supposedly, speak on our behalf but are really ignorant as to what our real goals are and always have been. They actually think we want to become them, in the cultural identity sense.
I don’t know what SWS means.
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V-4,
“The “Bootstrap Myth” is actually more or less correct.
8/10 black people are middle class and up despite social bigotry and being given poorer educations; not being near as willing to use social aids as much as white people are.”
Nah it’s not as most people live and die in the same class they were born into but, it is a wonderful sales tool which brings me to the point your post reminded me of a few minutes ago.
The wonderful invention of the “middle class” which was one of the greatest marketing/propaganda ploys ever. Along came the post WWII suburbanization boom and all of a sudden every post office worker, bus driver, factory worker, delivery man, teacher, etc. magically became middle class. Before that people were either working class or rich.
But hey when you need to sell houses, dishwashers, washing and drying machines, cars etc. to folks you have to fluff them up. What’s amazing is how quickly and well it worked. The formerly working class got a little taste of life in the “Big House” and they dropped the working class label like a bad habit. Fast forward just a couple of generations and you hear all sorts of people intoning about “The Death Of The Middle Class!!!” as if it was some permanent cultural fixture in American life and not some artificial creation designed to sell people stuff and placate them at the same time.
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I believe sws is system of white supremacy, I did not know what sjw meant now I know.
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Being so called middle class means almost nothing, I think I read somewhere that black middle class is really black ppl a couple of paychecks away from poverty, so if middle class blacks get laid off how long can we survive? When the government shutdown I saw so many stories of so called middle class saying they were screwed and would need help. Middle class is an illusion to make ppl think they’re above working class, in some areas yes but others no. If u can’t survive being laid off without having to take out money u are no different than the working class ppl that live paycheck to paycheck, u may not live paycheck to paycheck but if u get laid off how long can u last one month, two, three.
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@mstoogood4yall: Good points.
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@ Ebonymonroe: You have insightful commentary, enjoying you.
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Thank-you @Mary Burrell, and thank-you @mstoogood4yall & @D for bringing me up to speed on SWS & SWJ. I’m not familiar with Tim Wise beyond his article that dispelled the 72%-out-of-wedlock-births-in-the-Black-community-falsehood. Much appreciated.
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“If u can’t survive being laid off without having to take out money u are no different than the working class ppl that live paycheck to paycheck, u may not live paycheck to paycheck but if u get laid off how long can u last one month, two, three.”
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I know of several “so-called middle class” individuals who lasted not only 2 or 3 months, but up to 2 years between jobs, and without having to resort to handouts. My sister is one of them.
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@ The Incredible Mack (@DDSSBlog)
Very well stated comment!
part of which I’ve reposted below, and agree that this is the only way we can FULLY develop as a people. As long as we are oppressed under a system of racism/white supremacy, black people will always be forced into a state of UNDER-DEVELOPMENT and economic retardation.
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Excerpt from ‘The Incredible Mack’s’ comment:
So white culture won’t let black Americans coexist, but neither will they let them maintain their own successful enclaves, as evinced by Black Wall Street and Rosewood. Marcus Garvey’s attempts to “repatriate” black Americans to an African “homeland” fell through when it became patently clear that, as D or another poster brought up, black Americans didn’t have the same devious bloodlust that allowed their white counterparts to literally terraform the North American continent for their own settlement.
As for the “melting pot” model, that’s not working out either. In fact, its a nasty business – white males having their way with the most attractive black females and hoping that the resulting “half-breeds” manage to lighten themselves up through quadrooning and octarooning until they can eventually pass for “white” seems to be the only acceptable model.
So the only thing left to do is to carve out our own homeland from this country our forefathers were dragged to against their will, where we can finally be left alone among our own people to prosper and thrive, right? D believes that’ll only happen once the U.S. finally faces the same sort of downward trajectory that the Roman Empire faced in its twilight, allowing us to finally establish our own homeland with minimum interference.
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Making a statement about an entire group of people that includes individuals who are capable of going and/or do go against the generalized statement is prejudiced.
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…So, yes, your blog is racist to white people.
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So, why are you here, Jackster?
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To refute Abagond’s claim that the blog is not anti-white.
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The same argument could me made for stereotyping any group.
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@ Vajackster
“The same argument could me made for stereotyping any group.”
No. It can’t. No other group of people is responsible for crimes against Humanity the way you Euro/Euro-descended people are. Stop playing. You’ll lose.
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To Average Bee:
No. It can’t. No other group of people is responsible for crimes against Humanity the way you Euro/Euro-descended people are. Stop playing. You’ll lose.
Still a stereotype since you are lumping together the past actions of Finns, Poles, Estonians, Slovenes, Czechs, Hungarians, Slovaks, Norwegians, etc with Spaniards, the British, the French, and Portuguese.
My point with the above statement..? Don’t blame a Norwegian for the past actions of Portugal.. likewise you shouldn’t blame a Thai for the past actions of Japan.
To bring the example to the modern day.. civil war in Somalia or the Congo should not be equated to the behavior or conditions of the black community in the US or Britain. Yes.. I know there are racists who do this but it is a false analogy in my opinion.
And on a per capita basis I am pretty sure the Mongols have wreaked more mayhem than any European nationality.
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So, basically “racial identity” is hard to define, so it’s okay to group everybody under one thing. That’s just racism, right? Because the same disregard for individuals and generalizing for the whole is pretty key to racism in general (not that I think racism is due to ignorance, by otherwise innocent people. Racist people know better, but do it anyway).
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Valjackster,
When people say that white people are racist, they don’t mean all white people. Sadly, from what I’ve seen when they say that all blacks are criminals, some people actually mean it. Yet, people are more vocal about white criticism and are more passive about prejudices against blacks.
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That’s just racism, right?
No it isn’t, that would be bigotry or prejudice. Racism is White superiority/Black inferiority. Are all whites racist? Most likely and what’s more they realize it.
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No, the problem now is that this blog overwhelmingly indicates that the author in fact DOES group individuals unfairly, and my point is that doing so is hypocritical to the author’s message.
Let me stress, I’m not trying to say that some of the racist actions that Abagond mentions, (racially incited murder and genocide, etc), are equal to Abagond’s own racism. Of course not.
But the prejudiced mentality that caused those actions, “all people of one group are the same, etc” ARE present in this blog. If you disagree, then imagine making those kinds of generalized statements about people of color. That would be racist, right? That’s the kind of mentality that Abagond has criticized on his blog. So doing so himself, about another group of people, with an equal capability of going against stereotypes, is racist.
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@ Vajackster
Instead of making general statements about me making general statements about white people, I think it would be better if you gave an actual example of what you mean. You can tell us why it is racist and I can respond.
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Here’s just one: On your “whites are individuals” post, the image you use is many white women with blond hair, suggesting that white people ARE all alike. If someone suggested that with people of color, then it would be racist.
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@ Vajackster
Those are the blondes of Fox News. Unfortunately, that picture is just right for that post. I know whites are individuals. I say that in the post. But that only makes it all the more strange when they are way more alike than you expect, like repeating word for word things you have heard other whites say. Or like the blondes on Fox News.
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(sorry for my delayed rebuttal)
So, in your opinion, whites are technically individuals, but they’re still basically all the same.
Claiming general uniformity among white people based on Fox News is like doing the same for black people on BET; and we both agree that BET perpetuates negative stereotypes of people of color that don’t accurately represent the black population.
The problem is that if your logic was used against people of a different race, then it would be considered racist. There’s no difference.
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vajackster,
“So, in your opinion, whites are technically individuals, but they’re still basically all the same”
only when it comes to racism, which speaks to the pervasiveness of white supremacy and not to an innate trait of white people.
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@ Vajackster
No. It is not that simple. I wrote a whole post about how White Americans are individuals and yet act strangely alike sometimes. In fact, it is right below that picture:
The picture is not meant as proof. Nor does it take the place of the post. I wrote the post two years before I came across the picture.
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@ Vajackster
Like solesearch I think the sameness is cultural and, almost by definition, driven by racism. It is their own racism that makes them “white”.
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…and it’s your own racism that will always make you black. Also why you will never mention the “knockout game” .. because it’s not happening predominantly to “your” people.
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@dave
“and it’s your own racism that will always make you black.”—What???
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Sharina,
Dave has a habit of blaming black people for…anything, almost the same way Riverside_Rob, Da Jokah, Vajackster, like to blame blacks for violent crime. But, they’re still individuals lol.
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Sharina if I say the same thing as Abagond in reverse and it makes you shrug,..Why don’t you think I do the same? The point is if we really want to get past looking at color first, black people need to practice what they preach. You know what it would go along way for me if the same people like Abagond who point fingers at the entire white race for a few idiots, would do the same for things like the knockout game
Brothawolf in the future don’t speak for me. I’m perfectly capable of responding to a question.
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@Sharina.. I did respond to you but for whatever reason it’s in moderation.
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@Kiwi. That is not what I said. Again I don’t bite. I don’t think it’s very polite to speak for someone , especially if they are in the room. It would be one thing if I didn’t answer when pressed. You can ask my thoughts directly without speculating.
Certain things you may be able to separate from institutional racism. But running up to someone and punching them in the face is a one on one issue. It’s very personal. If a gang of whites were doing that it would be just as racist and it wouldn’t be from institutional racism.
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@Kiwi you are right that was in bad taste. It wasn’t one of my better moments. However the point was not about hitler. I didn’t feel that going all the way back to the early 80s to prove that whites do hate crimes on Asians all the time was reaching for straws. I didn’t handle that one well. So now you feel you can dismiss everything I say? I think there are alot of black people that do that. They look for one thing someone has said or done and never forgive them. I love Asian people so for me it isn’t putting two and two together.
Back to the subject . I’m not worked up about the knockout games. But to me Abagond is sort of like a referee in a football game that puts his racism whistle away when the guy on the team he likes commits the personal foul.
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Also on the “knockout games” you say they are more “individuals” practicing racism and Abagond is more concerned with “institutional” racism. You are sort of proving my argument. Because by that definition this blog has countless examples of “individual racism” by whites on blacks. You can try to spin it how you want.
I could also spin it and say that Black people have started their own “grassroots” form of institutional racism because it becomes a trend like the knockout games and flash mobs have become. It also sort of proves that some blacks don’t look at whites as individuals and will always try to chalk it up with regards to hate crimes as a byproduct of institutional racism. It’s never apples to apples when talking about black attacks on whites with some of them.
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One more thing… it was always also chalked up to poor people attacking whites because of opportunity. Well these kids with the knockout games aren’t even robbing these people… that argument doesn’t work here.
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@ Dave
CNN’s whistle is 50 times louder than mine. Think on that.
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@ Dave
This is not a crime blog. I write about Vincent Chin and so on because it helps me, and presumably others, to understand the country’s racism.
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@ Dave
If I did a post on knockout games at this point, you would hate it, because so far as I can tell it is more a case of racist paranoia than anything else, at least as of November 23rd 2013:
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😮
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I love all people Jefe… that’s the point. Stop reaching…
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Also @Kiwi… Would you say “Oh well too bad for me” if someone randomly punched you out partly as a game and party for your skin tone… I doubt it.
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@Abagond. I disagree that the “knockout games” are simple crimes. There is more to it than that. I use a term I’ve seen on here “Deep routed”
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@Abagond…. We’ve been through this before. If anything the trend on some shows on CNN and Especially MSNBC had not been anti-black biased. In fact I believe the scales have tipped in the other direction. If you want to go Fox news for over reporting on it maybe.
You on the other hand do a majority of posts about racism. I don’t that should swing one direction. a little fairness from time to time would be nice.
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*Think that should swing in one direction.
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If you want to say well it’s a balance of power then you dig this. Go in the bookstore and you will find several books written by Blacks on racism … most of that swings in the direction you like and post about as well. They make a friggen science about it. You try and find a book about it the other way you will be hard pressed. So to say it’s overly talked about is showing bias from you.
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(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev5D46nk7VU)
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Dave,
I apologize for speaking for you. However, at the risk of pushing the conversation off track a bit, I want to say that I’ve heard about these knockout games, and already, it has gained attention through the news, TV and internet.
I already know of two articles written by black men discussing the issue. I assume that they chose to do so because they felt the need to speak up. I also believe that they know the knockout games news will attract certain viewers, the kind obsessed with black violence and black crime.
So far, the news has been minimal, and I believe it is due to how infrequent it is. It’s not happening as much as people assume. If it was, there would be continuous news coverage with one case after another. And we know how much the news values violent crime by POC for shock value.
Yet, those few incidents in comparison to the rest of the black population will be used to judge the entire community. Being black in America means that we are to be judged by the worst of us who are the minority. The worst is always seen as representatives to the whole who are always seen as a monolith. The knockout games is just another reason to fear and hate the entire 35 million black population in America alone, not to mention the whole black race.
But we are not a monolith. As proof, (at least) a couple of blacks wrote about the games. But some chose not to because they have the human right to make their own individual decisions. If they chose not to discuss it, so be it. It’s no use crying over it.
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dave:
The point is if we really want to get past looking at color first, black people need to practice what they preach. You know what it would go along way for me if the same people like Abagond who point fingers at the entire white race for a few idiots, would do the same for things like the knockout game
As far as I can see, black people have been oppressed and fighting for equality all their lives, for centuries. Even the children of this generation will be continuing the fight because it aint over yet, unfortunately. The people at the top have far too much to lose and those aspiring to be on top do not want to relinquish what small grasp they have.
If this is the same dave that I have seen post on here in the past, you know that the balance of power is not with PoC, you have even seemed to raised the point about rich vs poor in some of your posts. How the hell are people who are still battling for basic decent treatment and respect supposed to extend the olive branch and expect it to have an effect?
I briefly looked at these knockout games and I understand from the reportings that there is a racial element to these but, but there is a hysteria that seems to be coming from you to this blog that is misplaced.
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@ dave
Your response to me was completely irrelevant of what I responded too. You have no idea what makes me shrug or my response to anything on this forum unless you are taking sneak peeks in my window to see my reactions.
“The point is if we really want to get past looking at color first, black people need to practice what they preach”—I think it is safe to say that America and it’s American ways have been lacking the ability to practice what it preaches for a long time…not just a black thing dear.
Now as to you calling people idiots…..prime example don’t you think.
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comment to dave in moderation.
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On top of that one of the guys I saw in an arrest for knockout games was white
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So now we can say whites are racist against whites. (rolls eyes)
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You know what’s sad? We’re ALL being played by people in REAL power – and that’s not any of us struggling to survive every day, it’s the people in the media, and in government. It’s in the best interest of certain people to keep the flames of racism alive. Look at white people and black people who get the most press coverage and are wealthy – like the bozos in office regardless of their political party, or Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc. You think those last two would be wealthy if they didn’t have a racism star to hang onto? No. Racism has made them really rich people. So they fuel the flames.
The flames are also fueled by people who know if we ever united and decided to toss them out on their ear from their current positions, they’d lose out on all the money and perks they enjoy. Everyone we whites and we blacks vote for have voted themselves pay raises, great insurance coverage, lifetime annual pensions that exceed $100,000 a year, and a lot of other perks. Who among us has the power to do the same? Oh, and things you and I would be sentenced to prison for, like insider trading, they’ve voted themselves exempt from. Why do you think they’re so rich? They hold themselves above the law.
We’re ALL fools. We buy into every little thing we read, 90% of which is slanted to fit a specific narrative and get a specific reaction and outcome. I don’t believe for a moment that all white people or all black people are racist. I DO believe all people are prejudiced. Blacks from certain parts of the country or world are prejudiced against other blacks. Whites are prejudiced against other whites based on where in the U.S. they’re from or based on nationality or religion. Both whites and blacks are prejudiced against each other. Hell, even Germans and Italians are prejudiced against other Germans and Italians based on where in their country they were born. Whether you’re talking about America, Germany, Italy or some other place it seems northerners tend to look down on those born in the south.
I know many of you, Abagond included, were not born in the U.S. as I was. But I can say this, I’m not the only one completely sick and tired of working like a dog for peanuts while people who pretend to represent me, don’t, and keep getting richer and richer off the hard work those of us who have no power are doing. They’re self-serving cry babies – spoiled brats who refuse to work outside their own political party so nothing gets done. They should be ashamed.
We all have negative thoughts about groups of people for whatever reason, but I believe every one of us would stop and help someone of that group if they were in trouble or needed our help. A white person is laying on the sidewalk bleeding – would most of you step around him or her or would you try and help? I think you’d try and help. That tells me it’s not really racism, it’s prejudice.
I wish we would all get together and stand up as one to let those in power know we’re mad as hell and we’re not gonna take it anymore. I don’t know about you, but I need my own bailout – forget the stinking banks that take government money and then have parties for their employees that cost millions of dollars and give themselves big fat bonuses which couldn’t possibly be based on profit if they’re getting a damn hand out so they don’t sink.
Think about it. If we’re all spending time focusing on something we perceive to be a big problem, it means our attention has been taken off of something else. What don’t they want us paying attention to? Start with the lousy job they’re doing, the spying on citizens they’re engaged in, them being overpaid, outrageous taxes, smokescreen policies to make us think our country is safer from terrorism, and a whole lot of other things they should be taken to task over.
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@Kiwii
Yes, I used 😮
Yep, I know too. 😛
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Oh Dave you know where to go to find those books. You can also buy the hardcore CD’s from there. However unless blacks have been over you and 90% of people you see on tv are black you either don’t understand racism or dare I say it; you are ignorant about how the world works.
“All the way back to the early 80’s” Dave, what are you 10! The eighties were not all that way back sonny. I might have to get my cane and hearing aid out but I definitely feel the eighties (Hence my youth) were not all that way back, you whippersnapper. Although I do have knee problems and a bad back and probably if I didn’t shave my head would see my own balding top. I am not that old the 80’s weren’t all that way back and hence should never ever be said in a phrase like that. Argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here I am going to try to tell you something Dave, telling a blogger what he should write about is dumb. You may suggest you might even ask if you could guest write on the subject, and if they reject it like Bobby Brown use to sing That his prerogative. I know it is late eighties so you might not know the song. As one strange person said, age has probably mellowed me.
In this case let me wag my finger at you young man. If you don’t like a blog leave it you never have to be on. See me, I don’t go on blogs that I feel the author doesn’t like black people. I don’t have too. Neither is it my place to go correct that persons opinion young blood. You get it, you dig! (Now that’s pure 60’s-70’s) That takes me way back. (Horrible Bell Bottoms and Butterfly Collars may you rot in the lowest part of the nether world.)
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In all my years on the internet, one of the things I noticed early on regarding forums where Blacks congregate to discuss racism is that there’s typically at least one random white male who has taken it upon himself to be forum regulator of Negro thought.
About 8 years ago I was a short-term member on a vicious Black British forum (many of its members not only hated British whites, who were openly referred to as “bluefoot”, but also Americans of all stripes; Arabs (who were hated, yes, but were still more highly rated than Americans), south Asians, and even seemed to have little love for one another, as Blacks from different parts of the Caribbean (my first time hearing of the “big island” / “little island” tribalism ) and Africa.
As ad hominem attacks typically went unchecked by board moderators, many forum members were cruelly ethnocentric towards members of other Black groups / nationalities, but who pulled NO punches whatsoever when it came to maligning every little thing concerning British whites (sort of how American whites try to do to American Blacks).
There was even one crazy, white British male poster who was tryna to regulate that forum. I almost felt sorry for the guy.
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@ Dave
MSNBC is sympathetic to blacks, it seems, but not CNN or Fox News. CNN has Don Lemon, for one thing. They were pro-Zimmerman. They gave us “Black in America”, which pushed the black pathology argument. They broadcast the Broken Africa stereotype coast to coast. They are the king of the Missing White Women Syndrome, though they seem to have cooled it on that one lately.
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@ King of Trouble
LMAO.
@ Dave
Vincent Chin is not some obscure case from the early 1980s that I dug up to bash whites with. It is historic in Asian American circles. Every American should know about it. Like with Trayvon, and most of the murders I cover, what makes it horrifying is not so much the killing itself, as bad as that is, but the way the criminal justice system acted. It was a case of Phantom Caucasian Justice.
That is why stuff like black-on-white crime, Mao and knockout games are beside the point.
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Sorry if this is a stupid thing to ask, but what exactly are ‘knockout games’? A tournament for sports is what first comes to mind, but I don’t think that’s what’s being referred to here.
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@ Yoseph
The Knockout Game:
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/11/19/police-examples-of-troubling-knockout-game-popping-up-all-over/
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In all my years on the internet, one of the things I noticed early on regarding forums where Blacks congregate to discuss racism is that there’s typically at least one random white male who has taken it upon himself to be forum regulator of Negro thought.
What about all the white people pretending to be black and anything but white to implement their tiresome and transparent agendas , that is a particular malaise that warrants exploring, the whites who pretend to be black on the internet. Guess it is demonstrative of a sad desire to actually want to be… Black.
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Knockout games? What about “Stand ur ground”?
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It seems like the 30-yr teflon view of history is abt right. Vincent Chin just qualifies.
Vincent Chin was a watershed event in US race relations, an event all Americans should know about.
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[…] Interesting reads: White History Month, and Anti-White […]
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Good post-I will probably read more from now on. I will read your blog regulary now, because it is really good and I think, that everyone who is black, should read your blog.
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I don’t do any of that stuff listed above, but you still label me as racist because I live in a community that is mostly white.
Ya know, when I bought my house, I never thought “I need to find an area that has both black people and white people.” I thought, “I need to find a house that is both affordable and close to the MMA gym I train at.” Why am I automatically racist simply because of where I live?
By the way, the coach at my MMA gym is black, and he’s like a father to me. I know plenty of very successful black people who have made it in this “white man’s world,” and none of them have your attitude. Coincidence?
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News flash Santa Claws:
Black people have heard whites falsely claim, “I can’t be racist because my [son, friend, mother, father, wife, coach, etc…] is black. That makes about as much sense as saying, “I can’t be a child molester because I sired an off-spring!”
Also, just because there are “successful” black people doesn’t mean that the USA a post-racial society. There have always been some measure of success within the black community. Does this mean that racism doesn’t exist or harm the lives of many dark skinned people?
Get over your fragile white ego!
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By the way, the coach at my MMA gym is black, and he’s like a father to me. I know plenty of very successful black people who have made it in this “white man’s world,” and none of them have your attitude. Coincidence?
First of all, kudos for having a black man who coaches you and is a father figure to you. Everyone should have one! Secondly, the blacks you are referring to are widely known as kerchief heads,or they got you fooled. It’s called going along to get along. Good evening!
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@Matari:
“[i]News flash Santa Claws:
Black people have heard whites falsely claim, “I can’t be racist because my [son, friend, mother, father, wife, coach, etc…] is black. That makes about as much sense as saying, “I can’t be a child molester because I sired an off-spring!”
Also, just because there are “successful” black people doesn’t mean that the USA a post-racial society. There have always been some measure of success within the black community. Does this mean that racism doesn’t exist or harm the lives of many dark skinned people?[/i]”
Does this mean one’s choice of home town is racist, even if race was not a factor in deciding it? Or is his claim of “you still label me as racist because I live in a community that is mostly white.” a misrepresentation of what is being said (I don’t know what he is saying that in response to, or where anyone has made such a claim of racism)?
“[i]Get over your fragile white ego![/i]”
Like… he should have as little ego as possible? Humility? (As those are both 100% good things — if you have little ego, then you have little ego to get hurt, and you also have little ego with which to fuel any jerkishness — both pluses)
Is the correct alternative to a “fragile ego”, white or not, to have little ego, and humility, and to be at peace with it?
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[…] “Your blog is anti-white” […]
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Thank you abagond, for your blog. Growing up in the south as a “colored person ” made me feel like I don’t have a country to call my own. I was born in America, but I’ve never felt like an American. I lived in a small redneck town, where I get made fun of and stared at even when I just go to the gas station. It’s nice to know that someone else noticed that racism didn’t go away, even with a black president. I watched the kkk give a speech. The grand dragon said ” we don’t have to have a reason to hate them, we hate them because they breath, we hate then because they exist.” At least I have a reason to hate the white devil.
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When dealing with an enemy expressing this level of fanaticism, there’s virtually no chance that you’ll ever win them over through diplomatic or non-violent means.
The only way you can deal with enemies of this caliber and resoluteness is to destroy them, down to a man.
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Yours is the voice of prejudice( I dare not say racism since the police of political correctness in their god-like authority have declared that blacks in America couldn’t possibly be racist). You hate whites. You hate whites because of their ignorance of what it feels like to be black. You however are equally ignorant of what it feels like to be white. How can any of us possibly know how it feels to be anyone else. We can only try. But to hate people for being guilty of what you are just as guilty of is hypocrisy. If you were me and I were you we wouldn’t think any differently. Our only responsibility would be to see each other as fellow humans and try to understand and empathize.
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Lisa,
“But to hate people for being guilty of what you are just as guilty of is hypocrisy.”
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LOL … Project much?
You need to go to this site’s broken record tab at the top of this page!
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When you don’t have an answer for a valid point you have to resort to being a critical smart Alec.
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“When you don’t have an answer for a valid point you have to resort to being a critical smart Alec.”
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You shouldn’t project so hard! Everyone sees it.
Valid point?
There are far too many (millions) delusional ones like you to take seriously.
I could go insane if I tried to set those of you who land here, straight.
The answers for your non-valid points surround you. You are literally in the Land Of Answers, but somehow you choose not to see them. You call the truth, hate.
I’ve got way better things to do than to repeat what has already been said here by the blog’s owner and many other commenters.
Lemme know when you’re going to Storm-Front so I can witness you holding them accountable for their racism!
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@Just Me
Funny you say that, that is a big thing from what I’ve seen on Stormfront. Somebody will go there and criticize them for their views, saying that they are racist. The SF posters will then ask this person if they go to black/Jewish nationalist sites and criticize the people there. Usually the poster does not respond to that question.
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@Lisa
And please post a link to where it has been declared by some authority figure that blacks can not be called racist? Show me where you will go to jail for calling a black racist? Only thing you managed to do was throw out accusations in manner to avoid your own possible racism and hate. Criticizing a person or people does not mean you hate them. Though hate can be clear depending on the wording, but nothing in this post indicated a hate of white people.
“When you don’t have an answer for a valid point you have to resort to being a critical smart Alec.”—You provide answers to questions not points (in the sense that you put them). You can either dispute a point, direct someone to a place where the point has been disputed at length, or ignore. He directed you to broken record.
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Lisa needs to go back to Storm Front. And get off this blog with her foolishness.
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You hate whites. You hate whites because of their ignorance of what it feels like to be black
Put it to music and play it on the violin!
You however are equally ignorant of what it feels like to be white.
Whippity do!
If you were me and I were you we wouldn’t think any differently.
That sounds like a refrain from a song.
Seriously, are you for real?
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When you don’t have an answer for a valid point you have to resort to being a critical smart Alec.
Not really. ‘Debating’ loons isn’t his forte.
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@Herneith, Lovin’ it and LmaOooo X-D
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@ Lisa
I read a recent Salon piece about the whole concept of “white fragility,” when white Americans become reflexively defensive whenever someone speaks truth to power about racism. To wit:
The above comes from a well-respected white woman, so you can relax, lower your shields and read along.
And I suggest you read that. All of it. Because perhaps you’ll get a clue as to what you’ve just done and why doing that is a bad thing.
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@ Lisa
I do not generally write about how Whites FEEL, but what they DO and SAY. Their words and actions are far more knowable. Their feelings, meanwhile, are often used to derail or shut down arguments about race. Like what you seem to be doing on this thread. Like what Mack Lyons said about White fragility.
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White fragility i read about that too. Fragile ego when the ones who are truly racist get angry for black people calling them out on their racism.
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Well most Whites give their kids normal names, like Robert (my name), or Michael, or Scott, or Edward, or James, or Christopher, or Owen, or Steven, or Thomas, or David, or William, or John, or Milton.
You can’t just throw random syllables together and call it a name…
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You support mass migration and multiculturalism for White countries. That is far worse than calling us derogatory things or making fun of us.
I’d rather have my feelings hurt for a moment then have my homeland destroyed for all eternity.
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