Here in one place is the list of the most common arguments that white racists use on this blog, listed roughly from the most common to the least:
- Anything but race – Racism is over. There must be some Logical Explanation that has nothing to do with race.
- Blame-shifting – Blacks like to use the race card, crying racism and blaming whitey, but blacks are to blame for their own mess. Racism is so 1968.
- ad hominem – question a commenter’s intelligence, character, age or motives.
- Whites are individuals – so you cannot make general statements about whites. Besides, that would be racist.
- “Blacks are racist too” – but they do not like to admit it. Find a case where a black person did something just as bad as what they are pointing out.
- “You are the racist one” – turn the tables.
- “I am offended” – how dare they call you a racist! You do not see a person’s colour – they could be purple for all you care!
- Arab trader argument – whites are not as evil as black people like to think. For example, it was not just white people who traded slaves: Arabs did it too! Few blacks know that, so make sure to point that out whenever you can.
- “But that happened to me too!” – whatever blacks complain about, try to find a case where a white person – you, a friend, someone in the news – experienced the same thing.
- Point out how “ghetto” and disagreeable black people are – because they are and it needs pointing out. No wonder no one gets along with them!
- Talk down to them – they are imagining things, they do not know what they are talking about. How dare blacks tell us what we are like. What do they know? Are they white?
- straw man – argue against some stock position that is kind of like the post. That way you can copy your comments from another blog. Or from Ann Coulter.
- Blacks need to be colour-blind – if they just stopped seeing race and talking about it so much then racism would go away!
- Start quoting rape statistics – out of the blue, if necessary. Rates of imprisonment are good too.
- The white inventor argument – whites invented everything so shut up already.
- Demand proof – Make them prove it beyond a reasonable doubt with facts and figures. Find holes in whatever facts they present. Find counter-facts.
- Make it about the past – and point out that your family never owned slaves. When are they going to stop living in the past?
- Go back to Africa – if it is so bad here, then go back to Africa already!
- Bootstrap – I made it on my own without help from anyone. Blacks expect something for nothing!
- Some of my best friends are black – so there is no way I am racist!
- Might makes right – all through history.
Most of these arguments take neither the truth nor the experience of black people seriously – because what matters most is white people and their feelings, particularly about feeling good living in a racist society.
See also:
- More on some of these arguments, but as seen from my point of view:
- blame-shifting
- “Whites are individuals”
- “I am offended”
- The Arab trader argument
- racism is not natural – despite what many whites want to believe
- The white inventor argument
- “You are the racist one” – I already know
- “Blacks are racist too”
- “Some of my best friends are black”
- “Go back to Africa”
- Bootstrap – based on blindness to white privilege
- derailing – a set of tactics which uses some of these arguments
- colour-blind racism – the racism that underlies these arguments
- How to tell if a commenter is white – partly by using some of these arguments
- What this blog has taught me about white people
Abagond 
Start quoting rape statistics – out of the blue, if necessary. Rates of imprisonment are also good, but not quite as shocking. Do not forget to compare black-on-white rape numbers to those of white-on-black. It will blow them out of the water!
Igor does this A LOT! Copy and paste is his (I’m assuming) best friend.
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omg, as i read each one, i can’t help but think of each time you see a place where commenting is allowed, whites always use one (if not half or all) of these derail “arguments”.
it seems like minorities are willing to talk about race but whites aren’t…the only race relations minorities seem to have trouble talking about is race relations between other minorities (such as blacks and asians or blacks and hispanics).
what sucks about this list, is that whites get away with it because they are the majority, and the majority make the rules not only in law, but in how American society itself works.
if only they knew how silly and stupid and hateful they look when they use those “arguments”.
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So true and LOL at the pic
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I think you forgot the ‘I’m have a black girlfriend/boyfriend/partner so I can’t be racist’.
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Good call. I forgot that one. Thanks.
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Good post, Ab.
“Go back to Africa – if it is so bad here, then go back to Africa already!” <—Havent heard that one since I was a kid.
"Point out how “ghetto” and disagreeable black people are – because they are and it needs pointing out. No wonder no one gets along with them!" <— This one I've heard most recently, particularly when discussing Black women. What irks me about that is, alot of the comments I've seen like this one or similar to, are made by Black men.
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How about this one;”I cant’t be racist because I have relatives who are black”. “Mind you I have never met them but know of them or maybe I have met them once but can’t remeber them”. Ergo; “I can’t be racist!” These are true conversations I’ve heard!
I have come upon this reasoning numerous times. Bizarre to say the least. They have never met these ‘black’ relatives(there own admission) or maybe so in passing,(again by their own admission) but will use these arguemnts to counter-act accusations of racism. This is supremely insulting as they suppose you are an idiot who will accept this reasoning. I find in general that whites with black relatives will use this as an arguement of last resort when all else fails. If they don’t have black relatives they will use some other racialized person in their immediate or extended families no matter how tenuos the relationship to ‘proove their lack of racist ideation.
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Finally, all in one place! Dude, you’re awesome!!
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You also missed the “Blacks are inferior” argument. I’ve seen Whites try to argue that Blacks in Africa are poor, downtrodden, oppressed and therefore Blacks as a whole are pathetic and cannot be helped. In other words, it is in our genetics to be inferior, no matter what good Whites do. Kind of the “white man’s burden” argument from colonial days.
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I love this post. I should cross post it at my site. I hear these arguments alot
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Every last one is the truth you made my day Abagond for posting this.
@ Herneith
I’ve heard that arguement as well. I remember this white womean off of the reality tv show “Rock Of Love” was accused of being racist because she kept referencing the Black women “ghetto” when she was on the reality show “Charm School”. She made her claim saying that she thinks anyone can be ghetto regardless of race. However, when she was on “Rock of Love” which is predominantly white women on that show, she never really call those girls “ghetto” she might’ve called the “trash” or “whores” but not ghetto. Which brings me back to the point that “ghetto” is synonymous to Black behaviour and she is guilty of referencing Black women exclusively as ghetto. Then she came back with the sorry excuse that her step-grandfather or some relative is Black. I’m like get the fuck outta here. That does not discount your ignorance.
Don’t get me started on Andrienne Curry making those statements on her myspace. Abagond don’t forget this one “There shouldn’t be a Black History Month if there was a white history month than it would be considred racist” these arguments kill me every time because they basically do not acknowledge white privledge and why there is seperatism on minorities having their own month to acknowledge their culture and heritage. It’s hispanic heritage month and there is reason for it. Next month is Native American month. Andrienne Curry killed me with racist commentary then have the nerve to derail accusations on her being racist to the fact that she dated a black man and she has African art in her home. While she mentioned she dated a Black man, she racially fetishsizes the man lol. It amazes me with her ignorance and has the nerve to say those things and got a shot of fame to become a model and the first model to ever win on America’s Next Top Model from a Black woman. smh
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@dani:
What’s frightening is this woman Curry(never heard of her as I don’t watch t.v.), may acturally marry a black man and have children. Imagine these potential children’s psychological amke-up? Scary indeed!
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Seriously. So true! I’ve heard each one, though only recently did I get the rape statistic one from a commentator on my blog. And I get some of these from my students in a sophomore literature class every time we begin talking about race. It’s difficult to get past some of these things.
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Another favourite; “How do you wash your hair?” or “how did you manage to braid your hair every day?”(I have locs). I kid you not! Before having locs: “how do you comb your hair”? Curiosity is curiosity but give me a break!
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Abagond, thanks for writing this, you have no idea how relieved I feel just knowing that I’m not the only one who feels infuriated everytime I hear this crap. This stuff should be made known to everybody, seriously.
And Herneith, I think you missed the point of this post.
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Thanks for your comment. It helps me to know that I am not going nuts.
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Oh brother…learn when to ignore stuff and crap like this wouldn’t be alive and kicking today.
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The list in your 10th point is laughable. Some of them are so way off and maybe one of them is actually valid.
You can call me racists and it wouldn’t offend me. 🙂 And if you did call me racist, doesn’t mean that you are the one who is racist.
Racism is over: Not
Blame-Shifting: Also called personal responsibility LOL
ad hominem: I had to look that one up. LOL
Whites are individuals: that is true, but to make a general statement about whites doesn’t make you racists.
Blacks are racists too: I refer to the claim of individualism
I am offended: then they are thin skinned
Arab trader argument: I didn’t know that.
But that happened to me too: Couldnt’ that be a valid arugment?
Ghetto: Never been there so I couldn’t comment
Talk down to them: I would never do that
Straw Man: This tactic is used throughout this blog
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Racist defines ignorance and lack of intelligence, the problem has never been about blacks and how ghetto,black history month is racist, and many other statements that I care not to to repeat. The problem is that you so caught up in your ancestry beliefs that mentally or spiritually you have not grown as and individual person.
What I do see for many years some whites have tried and has succeed in hiding the contribution that blacks has accomplish here in the united states not Africa blame your ancestry for there greed and social pathetic actions.
We have evolved into self thinkers, accomplishers and successors in your so call world.
“Don’t Hate Congratulate”
If you decided to call another black person a derogatory name take a look in your own back yard. What’s the difference nothing, Oh I forgot the skin color right!!!!!!.
The scenario is a man/woman raped your daughter, son, mother and then murder them. Tell me when does it matter the race of that person, that would define your
judgment towards that person? Would you say he’s white I’m going to give that person a brake because or he’s black he’s an animal give him what? .
So, I guess you would say I’m argumentative and I would
tell you “The Truth Hurts”.
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I never considered myself to be a racist but after thinking about it, I guess that I am. I don’t hate anyone, but I do choose not to have anything to do with blacks. If I’m not mistaken it’s still not illegal to be racist, right. It has been my experience the blacks are sadly lacking when it comes to morals, integrity, and values. I know that all blacks aren’t like this but the percentage of ones who are is very high, so high in fact that I refuse to take a chance on any of them. I also know that there are lots of whites who are in the same class as the blacks that I mentioned, I refuse to have anything to do with them either.
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Interesting list. As a black woman, I do find it very challenging to honestly discuss the experience of racism in America. I’m highly accomplished, upper middle class and have obtained many elements of the “American Dream”. I have friends and associates of all colors and cultures.
I find issues on both side of the fence perplexing. Many people that are otherwise well adjusted and intelligent believe there is little, if any, racism in American society today. I find myself steering clear of the discussions due to the sheer exhaustion of trying to explain something that is very clear through facts, figures and other means.
On the other hand, I also find mind-numbing when some issues that are validly personal responsibility issues are passed off as racism.
It’s complex. Many issues can validly be argued as the long-term effect of racism and marginalization. But not every single one. It is so rare to encounter an honest, open dialog where there is no point to defend, only truth to find.
I hope this is such a place. And if so, I hope there are others like it. But I really do wonder whether it’s productive to argue it at all. Or rather, to simply accept that there are differences in people and experiences that will always be beyond the perception and motivation to understand of others.
Peace to all of you.
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Watch come commentators will come and use those same lines. Thus, proving the points.
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ALL YOU RACIST PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK!!!
GET A LIFE!!!
ONE LOVE LIKE BOB MARLEY SAID!!!
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Don,no offense, but we are not missing much in your distancing from us!In fact who knows if the same observations you make about others-lacking morals, integrity, and values- can’t be said for you?It has been my experience that people that make a point to smugly look down on others on their flaws, usually tend to be the ones with the same flaws themselves.
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“Anything but race – Racism is over. There must be some Logical Explanation that has nothing to do with race.”
So to even explore other possibilities like classism, is racist? That is some sound logic.
“Blame-shifting – Blacks like to use the race card, crying racism and blaming whitey, but blacks are to blame for their own mess. Racism is so 1968”
Suggesting personal responsibility? How inconsiderate. People should be treated as demographics, not individuals right?
“Whites are individuals – so you cannot make general statements about whites. Besides, that would be racist.”
This is true there is no homegenous “white society”, and it is most often used in the sense that “white people” have power or money, while totally ignoring that there are more poor “white people” in this country than any other group. They must not have gotten the memo about their power and priviledge.
““But that happened to me too!” – whatever blacks complain about, try to find a case where a white person – you, a friend, someone in the news – experienced the same thing.”
Yes because showing context or how similar things are just part of the human experience is pretty racist.
“Demand proof – Make them prove it beyond a reasonable doubt with facts and figures. Find holes in whatever facts they present. Find counter-facts.”
I was kind of shocked by this one. What you are describing is how to logically debate, yet you managed to put a negative spin on it. Nice.
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So to even explore other possibilities like classism, is racist? That is some sound logic.
This post isn’t about classicism. It’s about how whites will argue when the topic of race is involved. Classicism would be another topic, discussed on it’s own.
Suggesting personal responsibility? How inconsiderate. People should be treated as demographics, not individuals right?
Right. Nice example of how to argue as a white person!
They must not have gotten the memo about their power and priviledge.
“At least I aint a n$##@#!” Just ask ol’ Billy Bob!
Yes because showing context or how similar things are just part of the human experience is pretty racist.
Yes it is when discussing racism with a black person and veering of the subject by saying “it happened to me!” Thereby discounting that black person’s experience. If nothing else, it is shows the self-centered nature of the person responding.
What you are describing is how to logically debate, yet you managed to put a negative spin on it. Nice.
This is a blog not a philosophy class! Nice indeed!
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Bane:
Most of the arguments have some truth to them – that is why they are used in the first place. But nine times out of ten when they are used by a white person when talking about race they are used to AVOID talking about white racism. The people who use these arguments are not interested in seeking the truth but in AVOIDING it.
Like the Anything But Racism argument. Sure, not everything is racist but when you talk to white people it seems like almost NOTHING is racist. They bend over backwards to avoid racism as a cause. They are like atheists talking about miracles.
Likewise, blacks are to blame for some of their mess, of course, but when you talk to white people it seems like whites ARE ALMOST NEVER RESPONSIBLE for any of the mess blacks find themselves even though whites have way more power, have a terrible record on race and most are quite clearly still racist.
And, yes, there is nothing wrong with demanding proof, but again when white people ask for proof in an argument about race six times out of ten they are not interested in knowing the truth – they just want the whole argument to get stuck on some point so that they do not have to take any of it seriously.
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Thank you, Herneith.
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Interesting list, indeed.
For the record, on french-language african forums we receive our good share of white trolls willing to teach us how we should handle the ubiquitous manifestations of white racism. Interestingly enough, they heavily rely on the same “arguments” you listed above. (Sometimes it makes we wonder if a database of ready-to-use-canned-arguments-to-pull –when-discussing-race-with-black-peoples exits somewhere…)
Yet, abagond, 2 of their all time classics do not appear in your list:
1. The “blacks sold blacks” argument. Usually pulled out of the blue regardless of the actual topic discussed in the thread.
2. “If some white dude ever said what you just said he would be deemed a racist!” Preferably used at random with no further evidence to back it up. It seems that, for the average Frenchman, such gratuitous assertion has value of scientific demonstration.
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You people are so incredibly stupid it boggles my mind. I could beat the crap out of you in a public debate so easily it is pitiful. You are a perfect example of racists who are entirely unaware of your own racism in that you patronize people of color by robbing of their essential humanity that would include them of being equally as capable of racism as any other human quality. Oh, the Noble Savage; aren’t they cute? You have no idea that you speak a language of race nor that saying you are aware you are assigning characteristics to white faces somehow makes it not racist; it’s like saying blacks are likely to be gang members or responsible for other black crime. I shed tears for people so utterly Orwellian in your mindset. To say you are frickin’ unthinking zombies is an understatement. I loved the one about the thousands of rapes committed by black men against white women but virtually zero the other way around not being an issue. Somehow, if that were reversed it would suddenly have the traction you so crave. What idiots – open your eyes to your own double standards whereby you assign racism in a blithe and cavalier manner to people you don’t know and haven’t met based on skin color. You are true disciples of the liberal Left and that is a fact.
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James May:
Instead of assuming I am an idiot, you need to reread the post with care because you just gave an example these:
“3. ad hominem – question a commenter’s intelligence, character, age or motives.
4. Whites are individuals – so you cannot make general statements about whites. Besides, that would be racist.
5. “Blacks are racist too” – but they do not like to admit it. Find a case where a black person did something just as bad as what they are pointing out.
6. “You are the racist one” – turn the tables. “
And after taking me to task for stereotyping whites you are quick to assume things about me, like that I think blacks are not racist or that I think I am not racist myself. Not so:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/08/08/all-blacks-are-racist/
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/i-am-racist/
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Oh yeah… you’re friggin’ brilliant in a debate. What a genius you are in proving the post to be totally wrong!
You people are so incredibly stupid it boggles my mind.
3. ad hominem – question a commenter’s intelligence, character, age or motives.
You are a perfect example of racists who are entirely unaware of your own racism
6. “You are the racist one” – turn the tables.
You have no idea that you speak a language of race nor that saying you are aware you are assigning characteristics to white faces somehow makes it not racist;
5. “Blacks are racist too” – but they do not like to admit it. Find a case where a black person did something just as bad as what they are pointing out.
“it’s like saying blacks are likely to be gang members or responsible for other black crime.
12. straw man – argue against some stock position that is kind of like the post
I shed tears for people so utterly Orwellian in your mindset. To say you are frickin’ unthinking zombies is an understatement.
11. Talk down to them – they are imagining things, they do not know what they are talking about.
I loved the one about the thousands of rapes committed by black men against white women but virtually zero the other way around not being an issue.
14. Start quoting rape statistics – out of the blue, if necessary.
etc, etc., etc.
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oops abagond types faster than me.
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But you caught some I missed!
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Dahoman X:
Those are good ones too. I need to update the post.
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Ha, you should also ad the James May doctrine:
“You are true disciples of the liberal Left.”
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That could also be the J docrtine, however.
“Liberal” is everyones’ favorite political curse these days. I guess because the conservatives have such a better track record when it comes to protecting human rights, prosprioty and dignity… right?
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and what do the non-racist whites say? “yeah, i admit it, i’m racist”? there are 2 things i hit people for: being intolerant, and accusing me of it. i am only intolerant of bigots.
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You people are so incredibly stupid it boggles my mind.
Why thank you! Not lets baffle him with bulls**t!
You are a perfect example of racists who are entirely unaware of your own racism in that you patronize people of color by robbing of their essential humanity that would include them of being equally as capable of racism as any other human quality.
Please give us back our humanity sir so we can be equally as racist as everyone else! Then we can discriminate on an institutional level. We can control the economy and call the shots!
Oh, the Noble Savage; aren’t they cute?
Yes they are:
You have no idea that you speak a language of race nor that saying you are aware you are assigning characteristics to white faces somehow makes it not racist; it’s like saying blacks are likely to be gang members or responsible for other black crime.
Nothing as bad as that dear!
I shed tears for people so utterly Orwellian in your mindset.
Iam crying as I type this, two fingered typist that I am, tears of mirth that is! Put it to music and compose yourself a concerto! Better yet, start singing ‘Cry me a River’, it works for me.
I loved the one about the thousands of rapes committed by black men against white women but virtually zero the other way around not being an issue.
Yikes, another closet case obsessed with black mens sexuality. Funny how that manages to worm its way into many of these discussions! Entertaining to say the least!
Somehow, if that were reversed it would suddenly have the traction you so crave.
No, it would put us on equal footing as both white and black men would be raping everyone. Equal opportunity for good or ill! The men wouldn’t care about who they raped! Everyone would be arguing about the whys and wheretofores as to why MEN rape, not what colour the rapists and the rapee is.
What idiots
You are opening up another debate as to what constitutes idiocy. However, this post isn’t about idiots although some of the commentors appear to be ‘idiots’. Stay on track now!
open your eyes to your own double standards whereby you assign racism in a blithe and cavalier manner to people you don’t know and haven’t met based on skin color.
It’s fun being cavalier, just ask the three Muskateers!
You are true disciples of the liberal Left and that is a fact.
I love that line! Whenever any black people or other racialized people speak of racism, they are liberals, sort of like calling white people racist! Look buddy, the fact of the matter is that you are contradicting youself. You say that every black person who discusses racism is a “liberal, sight unseen. Yet you take umbrage to commentors making ‘sweeping’ generalizations as to whites racism, sight unseen. The fact of the matter is, is that you don’t know these people’s political persuasion regardless of what they post here. For example, a ‘liberal’ in your country, may be percieved as a ‘conservative’ in another. This leads me to believe that you don’t know what the h$&$ you are talking about!
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These arguments seem to be universal. White racists use the same here in the Netherlands, allthough they tend to use national-ethnicity and religion more than race (in Europe, an anti-Islamic and integration discourse is used to hide the fact that this is actually about skin color).
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LOL that political cartoon is so spot on.
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When a White person (Beck, O’Reilly)brings up Martin Luther King, ie. “MLK said that we should not judge people by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character; Dr. King would be ashamed of you”…
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Your original post is a perfect example of #7 of “How to Win Online Arguments”.
7. One step ahead
Pre-empt all replies. Tell your opponent that you know exactly how he or she is going to respond to your message because you’ve seen it all before. List all potential counter-arguments to your position and invite your opponent to choose one.
linky—>http://www.urban75.com/Mag/argument.html
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And you are not using #7?
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No, I never did! (<—-#10)……;)
I think these little bits (How to Win Online Arguments) are so pervasive in the online world that they have become an unintentional part of how we present our discussions.
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LOL. black people are funny
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“LOL that political cartoon is so spot on.”
Nope, because lynching is a negro thing!
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Gotta agree with your observation, Abagon, about why whites use these lines you’ve listed– avoidance of what’s really at issue. And it’s true, too, that we do it to avoid ever really facing the past– I think this is because there’s no defense for America’s past, and because the evil is so enormous.
What’s difficult from my vantage point is I understand why whites use these tactics– in part because of what I’ve just written above, and in part– larger part, because it’s convenient and also because it’s not whites who suffered.
Here’s another very hard thing– I can remember a time when these arguments made sense to me. I’ve probably used at least half of them at some point. Now, I can’t remember what it was like to believe in them though as I indicated, I do remember using them. Actually, I do remember thinking they were a powerful list of proofs, but having this corner in myself that doubted them.
And I’ll conclude with the hardest thing. On the one hand, I can’t find anything in the post to argue with you about (this is true with regard to nearly all your posts I’ve read so far)– I mean, your writing is sharp and to the point and you have clearly analyzed your subject matter with a thoroughness I wish I could achieve with the same seeming effortlessness– and YET, I still worry that there will be some whites who tend towards basic decency, who are willing to try to listen to the points of view of others, and who are willing and able to evaluate themselves carefully– who may take from some of the posts the idea that there is nothing they can do that will be “right” in this sense. Mind you, I’m not saying that’s your problem or that you should backpedal to make things easier for the nice whites, but for quite some time I’ve believed that white and black America are destined to remain tied to one another, in much the way Nathaniel Hawthorne (himself a racist, I was dismayed to realize after reading his minor works) described Hester Prynne as being bound to the New England colony and its Puritan society that had done such harm to her. I don’t mean to say that white and black America have harmed each other; clearly, the harm has gone in one direction only even if it has produced a reaction which has sometimes resulted in individual acts of black on white violence– but that the trauma of the past may have worked to tie our two people together as Americans– even though, as you’ve noted elsewhere, for most whites, only other whites are “real Americans.”
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White racism is a myth!
America must force the mainstream media to start addressing the REAL crisis in America: Black racism & Black Hate
Also, the American federal gov’t MUST pay reparations to ALL victims in the White community of the experiment which is forced integration (launched in 1964).
The ‘victim’s list’ keep growing! This debt MUST be paid
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I agree with you wholeheartedly. I am still waiting for reparations! Care to support me?
Also, the American federal gov’t MUST pay reparations to ALL victims in the White community of the experiment which is forced integration (launched in 1964).
I agree. They can pay reparations to the white community after the pay us the forty acres and a mule that clown Lincoln promised! I want the equivalent in today’s currency with inflation factored in!
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“They can pay reparations to the white community after the pay us the forty acres and a mule that clown Lincoln promised! I want the equivalent in today’s currency with inflation factored in!”
That would be like a house in suburbia, SUV, a small business or executive position in a small business, I guess.
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America cannot afford reparations. BUT it can, somehow, afford to borrow hundreds of billions from China to give to the rich in the form of tax cuts.
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Touché.
BTW, I had no idea US has borrowed hundreds of billions from China to give to the rich in the form of tax cuts. It sure explains a sudden need to satanize that country in media.
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You know you posted this article because you know black people will use the same excuses and explanations, but word them in ways to support their own race. I know a lot of racist people that are black, white, hispanic, asian, muslim…I can go on. Yes I can sit here and say that black people are racist too, but isn’t that the truth? Look at the NAACP. An organization SPECIFICALLY for black people. Where’s an organization for the white people? Black History Month…where’s white history month? BET so where’s a WET channel? You might say that CMT or any other TV station is “white” but I don’t see a W (white) in the name of the channel so that does not legally make it white. How can the city of Columbia, SC have a Black News newspaper for the “African-American Community” but the city is not allowed to have an ACTUAL “white” newspaper? How come when it comes to scholarships there are SPECIFIC scholarships for blacks, hispanics, and minorities, but there are NO specific scholarships for white people? Yes slavery was horrible, but why in the hell would blacks TODAY deserve compensation for something that happened over a hundred years ago? I’m sorry your ancestors went through slavery but do you even know your own history? It was BLACK AFRICAN KINGS AND LEADERS that sold THEIR OWN SLAVES to other countries in exchange for cotton, tobacco, and other crops. I don’t believe slavery was right in any means, but it just BLOWS my mind that blacks think they DESERVE and are OWED something because “their ancestors” were slaves. My ancestors were Native American. The “whitey” people stole my land and shoved my family onto reservations. OH WELL!!! That happened in the PAST and now I’m married living on a military base with a brand new car in my driveway! Don’t blame the past for your problems today! Go out, get an education, get a job, and quit expecting the government to pay for everything! I just don’t understand how people in general call “whites” racist when we have to walk on egg shells so we don’t say something that will cause a black person to get mad! Blacks say they have it bad? You can say anything you want, wear anything you want, get minority scholarships, and even have a National Organization to back you, so I’m having trouble finding the problem. Try being white one day and see how “hard” it is. I wrote this from a neutral standpoint, but I’m betting I’ll be called a moron or racist because of it. That would just prove how correct I am in saying that because I’m white I’m racist. Well I’m tired of having to hide and watch what I say because this is a free country and if I want to call you black and not African-American, then I will. If you want to get politically correct, I’m Irish-German-English-Native American-and yes even BLACK-American. Thank you and have a GREAT day 🙂
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Congratulations Lauren!
You avoided the white inventor argument , but all in all , this was pure genius.
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@ JGreyden
I know! A virtual cornucopia of racist argument cliches!!!
3 word suggestion:
“HALL OF FAME”
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@king
seconded!
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The cliches in Lauren’s post make me 😆
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It’s odd to see all these cliche’s used in a post about these cliche’s. Is it a joke?
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It has to be a joke…that, or the insane ramblings of a mental defective! That can be amusing as well…sad and pathetic, yes, but still funny in a morbid sense. 😉
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I wrote this from a neutral standpoint, but I’m betting I’ll be called a moron or racist because of it.
Here goes Lauren:
If you had two brains you’d be twice as stupid!
That would just prove how correct I am in saying that because I’m white I’m racist.
If the shoe fits, wear it!
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@Herneith:
What’s really amusing and amazing is Lauren’s claim of neutrality in an obviously biased comment! Truly laughable…
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I’m going with the joke explanation.
Lauren has a fantastic sense of humor!! 🙂
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If you want to get politically correct, I’m Irish-German-English-Native American-and yes even BLACK-American
I don’t want to get politically correct as I can’t stand that term! Say what you mean and mean what you say, say I! Oh, by the way, being of partial black ancestry does not give one a pass on making incoherent remarks, if anything, it adds to the stereotypes of the dumb kneegrow, but then, maybe you ain’t as ‘smart’ as a pure blooded white, that may explain it!
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Yeah, I’m with king on this one. I think Lauren is hilarious stand up artist. 😀
A good example of this: “Look at the NAACP. An organization SPECIFICALLY for black people. Where’s an organization for the white people?”
That must be one of the funniest lines in recent comedy anywhere!! Move over Dave Chapell, here comes Lauren!! 😀
She just keeps them comin: “Black History Month…where’s white history month?”
“My ancestors were Native American. The “whitey” people stole my land and shoved my family onto reservations. OH WELL!!! That happened in the PAST and now I’m married living on a military base with a brand new car in my driveway”
Yeah right Lauren, that is why you are so keen to fight for a white man, right? I wonder what your ancestors are thinking about you right now :D!! Oh, you don’t believe in that kind of crap?? Well, how come? You gone white, my little injun gal?? 😀 You gone a white mans squaw?? I know few native americans who are not so eager to fight for white mans rights as you, but hey, maybe they are just stuck in the past and they should just move on, like ya’ll done there 😀
“If you want to get politically correct, I’m Irish-German-English-Native American-and yes even BLACK-American.”
Oh, sorry, you were not a native american then after all, my bad. I thought that you were, since you said so, but this explains a lot 😀
Great comedy this one!!!
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I always love White people who are “part Native-American”
Somehow, they always look totally White, and nobody else ever considers them to be the slightest bit Native-American—even after being told by them 1000 time. They then proceed to proclaim themselves as “minorities.”
It’s great for sounding exotic at bars… and for being down with the minority struggle…
“Hey, I’m 1/22nd Native-American… so I know what it’s like to be oppressed!”
Good stuff! lol!
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I am 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999% Uranusian. Hows that for exotic barroom talk!
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And the rest Martian?
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What was Lauren smoking? 😀
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“Oh, by the way, being of partial black ancestry does not give one a pass on making incoherent remarks, if anything, it adds to the stereotypes of the dumb kneegrow, but then, maybe you ain’t as ‘smart’ as a pure blooded white, that may explain it!”
I find some of her remarks quite incsive myself. It could that diverse gene pool has endowed her with “hybrid vigor” as they say ;-).
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It could that diverse gene pool has endowed her with “hybrid vigor” as they say
I’ll take the hybrid vigour done over easy with tones of gravy on the fries!
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You forgot the favre beans Herneith Lecter!
Lol!
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No I didn’t, that’s for dessert! Yum!!!
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FG said:
“I find some of her remarks quite incsive myself.”
Like which ones?
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“Look at the NAACP. An organization SPECIFICALLY for black people. Where’s an organization for the white people?”
Eeh… The KKK??
@leigh204: 😀 I was thinkin the same but maybe she was sniffin??
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Lauren:
White Americans got huge amounts of free land and free labour from Native Americans and blacks. Pretty much at gunpoint. So now it is no surprise that whites are, on average, more than ten times richer than blacks and Native Americans.
Even working-class whites on average own more property, live longer and go to better public schools than most MIDDLE-CLASS blacks. Most wealth is not earned but passed down and whites got a huge head start by robbing blacks and Native Americans.
Because of their wealth and numbers most things in America favour whites:
There is no WET because most television is all about white people.
There is no White History Month because most history is taught from a white point of view.
There are no special organizations defending the rights of whites because they have the votes to make laws that suit them – and enough white policemen and white judges who will see things in a way that favours whites.
But most white people take all that for granted. They do not even notice it. But they do notice anything that favours blacks. And so they think blacks are getting unfair advantages.
As to eggshells: most whites are so blind to their own racism that, yes, they say stupid racist shit and do not even see that it is stupid racist shit. That comes from not listening to black people and taking what they say seriously.
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@ABagond
That’s right! Tell her!
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@Abagond.
I admire your patience and your succinctness.
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lots of stupid in this thread
and as for your list, some of those are legitimate points but because you lump them together with idiotic arguments you think you can dismiss them all.
black culture promotes stupidity, that is the cause of your suffering not racism
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@ Vincent441
Either way, the biggest stupidity that White culture promotes is the idea that hundreds of years of Whites acting like heartless a–holes can all be fixed within a single lifetime. The Blacks, the Native Americans, the Chinese railroad workers, the interned Japanese-Americans… we must all be promoting the same stupidity… it has nothing to do with your collective a–holery.
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I find it truly AMAZING that sooo many blacks refer to white people directly or implicitly as the most evil people in the world. Yet, unless my eyes deceive me every February (black history mouth), there’s the black man, he doing his marching and praying (1960s)…I mean getting down on his knees & praying to god for…INTEGRATION!
Integration into white male society. Integration into white male created businesses. Integration into white male created residential areas. He’s pleading to be integrated into the very group he’s also calling his brutal oppressor and the most wicked of all.
Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but I do believe the black man is the only male group in ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY to ever claim that ANOTHER male group (another people) are the source for his freedom, his dignity, his equality, and even his very MANHOOD.
White males are NOT the source for the black man’s freedom, MANHOOD or whatever. I believe the black man MUST be separated … and be master of his on destiny! He gonna fight like MAD to prevent this. He got it pretty good …GUILT trippin’ white people with that slavery thing. ENOUGH is ENOUGH.
TOO MANY VICTIMS! White people must end this MADNESS that is forced integration. RAPE – ROBBERIES – MURDERS – MASSACRES… White people do NOT owe the black man ITERATION!
ENOUGH!!!
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black culture promotes stupidity, that is the cause of your suffering not racism
There is no single ‘black culture’, ‘genius!
lots of stupid in this thread
Yes, and you are the leader!
I find it truly AMAZING that sooo many blacks refer to white people directly or implicitly as the most evil people in the world.
Doesn’t take much to amaze you does it?
Yet, unless my eyes deceive me every February (black history mouth), there’s the black man, he doing his marching and praying (1960s)…I mean getting down on his knees & praying to god for…INTEGRATION!
You have been watching too many Stepin Fetchit movies coupled with blaxploitation films! Perhaps you suffer from hallucinations?
Integration into white male society. Integration into white male created businesses. Integration into white male created residential areas. He’s pleading to be integrated into the very group he’s also calling his brutal oppressor and the most wicked of all.
Sir or ma’am, we are not interested in your sexual fantasies of integrating with black men?
I believe the black man MUST be separated
What, and deprive you of your masturbatory fantasies?
White males are NOT the source for the black man’s freedom, MANHOOD
You would like a black man’s manhood but not for the reasons stated here, you protest too much!!
RAPE – ROBBERIES – MURDERS – MASSACRES
That sounds like European history in a nutshell!
White people do NOT owe the black man ITERATION!
Iteration or integration? Make up your mind! Or are you a one hand typist?
ENOUGH!!!
Wasn’t that the name of a disco song?
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@herneith: I thoughed that this 4 guy was a comedian! I mean, check this out: “Yet, unless my eyes deceive me every February (black history mouth)”!
Black history mouth?? What an earth is that???
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Herneith, I think everyone should consider your reply to my post as the apex of black intellectualism. Congrat.! Iam overwhelmed…
I will continue (on my sister site particularly) to build the ‘victim’s list’ – the true cost of forced integration in America – black male Massacres – black male Abuse of White Elderly – black male Abuse of our Children – black RACISM & HATE
…an indisputable consequence of this social engineering experiment – of the black man getting down on his knees and begging for integration into white male society. Forced integration MUST end!
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Herneith, I think everyone should consider your reply to my post as the apex of black intellectualism. Congrat.! Iam overwhelmed…
And so you should be! Listen sister, I don’t profess to be the epitome of any sort of ‘intellectualism’ when responding to your ilk. You spout nonsense, so I respond in kind.
…an indisputable consequence of this social engineering experiment – of the black man getting down on his knees and begging for integration into white male society.
You want a black man on his knees, but not begging for ‘integration’ but something else. The Freudian slips are coming fast and furious! You love seeing black men on their knees! The only social engineering here is getting a black man on his knees before you. Try doing this whilst spouting your particular nonsense. This isn’t a site for soliciting hookups!
black male Massacres – black male Abuse of White Elderly – black male Abuse of our Children – black RACISM & HATE
Go take your Chlorpromazine now!
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Black history mouth?? What an earth is that???
Another slip up, I don’t want to go there!
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Who would have thought that when Whitey was meticulously documenting every single, solitary, attrocity he ever committed, that his own writings would be used against him years, decades, generations, centuries, and even millinea later. My God, every single slave ever whipped and even the number of lashes received, for crissakes, was all written down in the plantation’s daily ledger. Many of those ledgers still exist today and those misguided whites who wrote it all down are being denigrated and demonized today for what their ancestors did.
No other racial group has a written record of their attrocities (as well as their more benevolent acts which somehow, are seldom discussed in these troubling times) as voluminous as whites do. And whites wrote it all themselves! No other racial group did about their attrocities. At least not near as much or with near the detail. If they had, then we would have a body of work in which to toxically scrutinize all their attrocities as well. So, we’re left with thinking other races were nothing but peaceful, wonderful people who never did anything at all that was the least bit unsavory.
Before judging whites so harshly, we should add just a little perspective. Just a little. It doesn’t take much.
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Essbro:
Why is it that most people who use the word “whitey” are themselves white?
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Language privilege?
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I was wondering about the same thing . Where does this whitey meme come from ?
And what is this fallacy about this western pseudo-akashic records in which every atrocities had been transcribed.
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I don’t know, Abagond. Good question. You likely have an answer of some kind. Don’t leave us wanting. Give us your opinion as to why.
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“I find it truly AMAZING that sooo many blacks refer to white people directly or implicitly as the most evil people in the world.”
It is clearly a minority of Blacks who go to that extreme. It is usually Dummies (yes, I mean you) who cannot parse the difference between expressed grievances against the historically oppressive White system, and individual White people.
Your “AMAZEMENT” is directly proportional to your lack of intelligence.
“Yet, unless my eyes deceive me every February (black history mouth), there’s the black man, he doing his marching and praying (1960s)…I mean getting down on his knees & praying to god for…INTEGRATION!
It’s not your eyes that deceive you but your wet sandbag of a brain that seems to be the trouble. Blacks have historically marched and demonstrated in behalf of attaining an inclusive society in which they could be treated as equals.
They were not asking to be integrated into a society where Whites would continue to be “the most evil people in the world,” as you put it. Are you really this stupid???
And they gave you your own blog (sigh)
“Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but I do believe the black man is the only male group in ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY to ever claim that ANOTHER male group (another people) are the source for his freedom, his dignity, his equality, and even his very MANHOOD.”
You’re wrong [correction noted] Oppressed peoples have always appealed to the humanity of their oppressors, as PART of their social emancipation strategy. Nobody ever said that this was the only part of the freedom strategy. Since Blacks have employed this strategy however, groups both within the U.S., and around the world, have emulated the strategy of the Black Civil Rights movement.
“TOO MANY VICTIMS! White people must end this MADNESS”
Yes, I quite agree, here is a partial list for your perusal:
1) American Indians (Manifest Destiny)
2) Black Slaves (Not Human)
3) Chinese Railroad Workers (Inferior Humans)
4) Filipinos (Inferior Humans)
5) Native Hawaiians (Inferior Humans)
6) Interned Japanese Americans (Not Real Americans)
Hey, did I leave any victims out?
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@ essbro:
You used the word, not me. You should know better than I do why you used it.
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Herneith: “You spout nonsense, so I respond in kind.”
Nonsense? And what did I “sprout” that was nonsense?
–was it when I stated that black men got down on their knees? This was called “pray ins” google it.
Oh, and what was the black man doing pray-ins for? To end his brutal oppression and give him FREEDMAN and Manhood. And was the black man’s Freedom and Manhood to be achieved by autonomy and self-determination. NOPE. He was praying for INTEGRATION. This, BTW, was a COMPLETE contradiction to what Gandhi was doing. He demanded his people be allowed self-determination. And good for him!
–was I sprouting nonsense when I said that the black males (America) are the only example in human history where a people claim they’re being oppressed by another people but don’t seek separation from their brutal and wicked oppressor, instead, DEMAND INTEGRATION into their brutal oppressors society? Name one other people in history that did what the black man did in the 60s. I’ve looked long and hard…
–was I sprouting nonsense when I said that the social-engineering law in 1964 (Civil Rights Act) created consequences that included black male attacks against the white population?
I could not find ONE example pre 1964 of a black male MASSACRE against innocent white people. I could not find ONE home invasion and the entire white family is slaughtered. I could not find ONE public abduction to perpetrate a rape. I could not find ONE example of a rape of a child, or rape of an elderly white woman, ect. All this inexplicable brutality from the black man against innocent white people has come about POST 1964.
No people in human history has ever sat back and tolerated another people attacking them like the white man has set back and tolerated the black man’s brutal crimes against them. I have had ENOUGH of this integration. It’s a failure. It’s time for the black man to have a homeland.. and be master of his own destiny. Blacks cannot use the white man as the source for their MANHOOD.
READ: Carlisle Indian School – an effort to teach the Indian out of the Indian. Didn’t work with them. It hasn’t worked with the black man. The Indian and the black man..is inside of them.
http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Unheralted-Charity-of-White-toward-Black-in-America
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Essbro:“No other racial group has a written record of their attrocities”
I know black history pretty darn good sir. Let me enlighten you – and others.
FACT: Yes, thanks to white people keeping records we know, courtesy of black male Historian John Hope Franklin, almost 30% of all free blacks owned slaves in New Orleans! This is just New Orleans! One of the biggest slave holders in the state of Louisiana was a black female, C. Richards, along with her son, who owned more than 150 Negroes. All over the South free blacks owned slaves. In fact, a FAR greater percent of free blacks owned slaves than free whites. (only 2% of southern whites owned slaves – THAT’S IT). In all of America, less than .05% of white people owned slaves.
Oh, ya think blacks were brutal to their slaves? You can COUNT ON IT! Look what the black man is doing in his black communities to each other today. The stories of brutality against slaves came from black treatment of their slaves. And how do I know that? Because virtually ALL blacks stayed near or on their white plantations after manumission (1865).
Here’s what the white man did for the back man after the Civil War (in an effort make in independent and self-reliant as a people):
http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Unheralted-Charity-of-White-toward-Black-in-America
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KING : “oppressive White system”
White people were breaking no laws maintaining a color line. NONE. There is no Constitution right to integrate! No people in human history ever received integration rights into another people’s society (post 1865, blacks were suppose to be a separate and self-reliant people). So the “white system” was NOT oppressive. It was consistent in structure to every other society that existed on plant earth in 1964; and, indeed, all thru human history. White people have nothing to feel guilty about pre 1964.
The black man was given integration rights in 1964…what no other people in human history ever received. And look what he’s done. He’s come into the white community and RAPED, ROBBED, MURDERED and MASSACRED. He’s used, and continues to use, the EEOC as a get-rich-quick scheme, which has seriously damged many white run-created businesses. Every gift he’s received becuz of the color of his skin, he’s basically put his middle finger in the face of white people and said, “that ain’t enough!”
King: “Blacks have historically marched and demonstrated in behalf of attaining an inclusive society in which they could be treated as equals.”
NONSENSE! Prior to 1964, there is not ONE example (1900 to 1964) coming from the black race, where they were the majority in any setting, public or private, where they tried to foster a diversified environment. Example:
–Negro baseball. Any whites/ NOPE
–Negro Newspapers? Any whites. NOPE
–Pullman Porters (95% black). Any effort to increase diversity? NOPE.
–Sky Caps (85% black) any effort to increase diversity? NOPE
–Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters; Did this black union EVER attempt to diversify it’s leadership. NOPE.
–When Walter White (a white male-looking Negro who headed the NAACP) married a white female, and who was it that took a furious exception to the act? Not a hard guess. Blacks.
And on and on it goes…
KING: “Since Blacks have employed this strategy however, groups both within the U.S., and around the world, have emulated the strategy of the Black Civil Rights movement.”
Yes, this is true. But ONLY in those countries that are part of the White Christian Western Civilization countries.
KING: “Oppressed peoples have always appealed to the humanity of their oppressors, as PART of their social emancipation strategy”
Gobblygook. I’m not winging this here. I know what I’m talking about. Again, name one people – in human history – who ever demanded integration into their oppressor’s society?
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CORRECTION: For the Carlisle Indian School link, I meant this one
http://hubpages.com/hub/Kill-The-Indian-to-Save-Him
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@americans4justice:
Stormfront is calling.
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Leigh204:“Stormfront is calling.”
LOL. TYou think you can GUILT TRIP me with that? Grow up!
My arguments have NOTHING to do with racism (racial superiority). One people cannot be the provider for another indefinitely. Further, One people cannot just sit back and take, Public Insults, RAPES, ROBBERIES, MURDERS, HOME INVASIONS, MASSACRES, RACISM & HATE indefinitely from another people.
Additionally, every problem that afflicted the black race pre 1964, and was suppose to be cured once the black man received his forced INTEGRATION – i.e. got what no other male group in human history received – has gotten worse e.g collapse of the family unit; 60% to 80% high school drop out rates for black males; illegitimacy rates; explosion of black male violent crime. These stats ALL represent failure for the black race as a people within this system! Ergo, FORCED INTEGRATION is a failure.
Also implicit in that “stormfront” (i.e. you be racist against the completely innocent black man) comment is: SUCK IT UP WHITE GUY —Suck up the black man’s outrageous racism, his hate , his abuses of his new freedoms (since 1964) in the white community? FORGET IT. I’m not going t suck it up! Too many victims.! Nor am I going to suck it up any longer with all his over failures in the “white man’s system.”
Blacks, IMO, MUST be master of their own destiny.
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KING, I see you removed your comment to me from yesterday. GOOD THING for you. I wrote out a response but I won’t share it here … since you obviously came to your senses and deleted what was so clearly fuzzy reasoning, oversimplifications and TRIPE.
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You think if you make a list of things that people actually do that are wrong that it somehow absolves those things? What kind of cracker-barrel logic is that? Is it the idea that if you say it first you win? What children. No ones trying to deny white folks are racist. The point is that if black folks are equally racist then it’s a wash and what’s the point? That brings you back to looking at how people treat each other and themselves. At heart all these comments are still the same: it’s whitey’s fault. It feels good but see how far that gets you in life. Now tell me how black folks built the pyramids and how your interest is purely academic and it’s just a coincidence you’re black. Then tell me all about hockey. Idiots. If you couldn’t talk smack about race you’d have no hobby and little to do in life except look in the mirror for the solution to your own problems instead of laying them of people without names or faces. The day you can see James Cone and Rev. Wright for the purveyors of Goebbel’s like hate speech they are is the day you’ll wake up.
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Forgot to say im 2 percent native ammeriiicaan!!!!! or white irish people were treated worst havent you seen gangs of newyork!!!!!
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“whites are not as evil as black people like to think”
So how evil do black people like to think white people are?
This might surprise you, but honestly, if most black people have this kind of resentment and negative attitudes towards white people, most white people are unaware of it.
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In this entry, you do seem to be painting as a “white racist” any person who argues against you’re belief that “white people are all racists.” That seems like a circular argument or something.
Also, many of the methods of argumentation that you claim to be the M.O. “white racists” are more like the way online arguments often take place, on any subject.
You seem to be trying to convince everyone that white people are all fundamentally evil and racist (is that what you are trying to do here?). Seriously now, what do you want from white people? What are your ideas for solutions, understanding that white people aren’t going to accept that they are fundamentally evil.
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When I said that online arguments take place this way, I mean that people often say stupid things on the internet, and use fallacious arguments.
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@Aaron
“This might surprise you, but honestly, if most black people have this kind of resentment and negative attitudes towards white people, most white people are unaware of it.”
Yep, we already know this… blacks are very keenly aware how CLUELESS white people (generally) are on matters of race. Yet, somehow that cluelessness doesn’t prohibit clueless whites from being “experts” and know-it-alls on sites like this one.
There ought be an automatic sensor/mechanism (widget) built into browsers that would direct all “clueless whites” (and clueless non-whites) to sites geared for cluelessness like — http://debunkingwhite.livejournal.com. A place where the clueless can freely give “voice” to their cluelessness. Otherwise, on “other” sites, the clueless should be quiet – and LISTEN only, so that their cluelessness issues might be resolved. As Abagond would say, “if only..”
{{{…sigh…}}}
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Although I agree all of this is true, you see it everywhere, on every kind of internet forum and occasionally in person, I can’t help get upset about the many comments saying ‘white people are racist’. Not ‘SOME white people are racist’. I don’t think these comments help in anyway, they pit different races against each other and yes there are racists within the white community but there are also people taking a stand and trying to make a change. The generalisation that all white people are racist, although incomparable to the racist generalisations made towards ‘minority’ groups, has the same effect. It causes shame and anger that you are being portrayed as something you’re not and similarly important it acts as more ammo for racists to throw at us.
And so although it is easy to direct your anger at an entire race, I would suggest that we classify racists away from the white community, for being white doesn’t mean that you will grow up being racist.
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hi my name is james i just read some of your blog the thing i dont care for are simply insults.wouldnt it be insulting if we were trying to think of a new insult?
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Here’s my list of racist dodges – thanks for your insights, and I’ve linked to this post. http://www.kadaitcha.com/2012/11/06/classic-apologist-dodges-for-racists-zionists-and-bigots/
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Your refusal to see the legitimacy in others’ narratives is precisely the same flaw as you criticize in these “dodges”.
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There is NO SUCH THING as reverse racism. People really do need to think about the meaning of the words they use… often people (both black and white) seem to confuse 3 similar terms and label them all racism.
1. PREJUDICE: Refers to a personal feeling about someone based on the general characteristics of a group. Blacks can be prejudiced against whites and whites can be prejudiced against blacks. Men can be prejudiced against women and women can be prejudiced against men. Blacks can also be prejudiced against other blacks and (far less commonly) whites can be prejudiced against other whites, etc. This is often due to a phenomena called Lateral Violence. Prejudice is manifested in a person’s way of thinking or feeling about individuals of a specific group.
2. DISCRIMINATION: Refers to the action taken by someone that disadvantages a member of a group for which they feel prejudiced. A woman may refuse a qualified man’s application for a job based purely on her prejudice toward men in general. A doorman may refuse entry to a black man purely based on his prejudice of black men in general. A realtor may deny a gay couple’s application for a rental based on their prejudice against homosexuals. The actions are examples of discrimination because they are acts against members of a group they feel prejudiced against.
3. RACISM, SEXISM, HOMOPHOBIA, ETC: Refers to a systemic, statistically significant societal disadvantage experienced by members of a specific group. When a group as a whole scores poorly compared to other groups on social markers at a statistical level, then prejudice and discrimination have become societally systematic. For example, in Australia, my people, the Aboriginal people – who share most in common with Native Americans in your country – are at the bottom of almost every societal marker. We have almost 10 times the number of our people incarcerated per year than South Africa did at the peak of apartheid. Our life expectancy is more than 20 years less than our white peers. We have the HIGHEST rate of youth suicide IN THE WORLD. The only part of this nation, the 2nd wealthiest in the world, living in 3rd world conditions and dying of diseases eradicated in all 1st world nations except Australia are Indigenous Australians. The most recent law made with respect to our people required the government to suspend the Racial Discrimination Act in order for it be passed into law.
When white people talk of reverse racism, what they are most often talking about is prejudice or discrimination. Sometimes of course, they’re just speaking shit, but often they are recounting a genuine case of discrimination. Reverse Racism is impossible based upon the fact that, certainly in this country and in America, white people as a group are NOT systemically, societally disadvantaged, as evidenced by the statistics that show their race thriving while ours is not.
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I chuckle whenever I hear the white man try to explain away the 522 years worth of blood on his hands, the stolen legacy he inherited, the blood money that he earns daily, the comfortable life he lives in comparison to others and at the daily expense of others globally. But black people just don’t get it, You trying explain the crimes of the white man to him is like trying to explain to the murderous psychopath that he committed murder. Look at the white people that responded to this blog. Which white person displayed any understanding of it? Give me one example? Not one. They are immoral and barbaric socio- and psychopaths by their very nature. They are born with the mentality that they are superior to every body around them, and rightly so. Every time you continue to try and address race relations with white people. The more of your dignity is stripped. After all the shit white people have put black people through. Here you are trying to address your issues with him as if they are ever going to be fixed, instead of focusing on self determination and getting ourselves off the bottom rung of the ladder, ways to own our own means of production, build institutions and infrastructure and have control over our own destinies. The white man owns the toilet roll we wipe our very arses with. I have not once seen a Chinese, Japanese or Native American blog focus on trying to improve relations with white people. Because they are determined and they are focused on trying to improve their positions in the world. After 150 years, the black man has not learnt to build his own economy, because he has not learnt group economics. He has not learnt that segregation and adopting his own culture is best for him. He is taught lies about his history from white institutions because he doesn’t control his own, he is continuously persecuted and victimised by white people and he continues to believe that America and Europe are the continents they are from. We’re on borrowed time here. The clock is ticking. We are getting further and further behind.
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Why is everything the White man’s fault? Blacks have several all-Black countries. Why don’t you go back there and try to improve the plight of your own people(s)? Why do you stay here just moaning and complaining? Do you really care, or do you just prefer pissing and moaning? You sound like a bunch of Jews or White conservatives!
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Wow, textbook case
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I scored points at the numbers 4,5,7,8,9,16,17 and 20.
What does that say?
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@JustAnotherOneofUsMob
Prejudice and discrimination based on skin color is racism too.
See here: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/racism
Racism
1. The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races
1.1 Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior
Like I said above, I scored points at no 16: Demand Proof (or in this case: supply it) 😉
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“I have not once seen a Chinese, Japanese or Native American blog focus on trying to improve relations with white people. Because they are determined and they are focused on trying to improve their positions in the world. After 150 years, the black man has not learnt to build his own economy, because he has not learnt group economics. He has not learnt that segregation and adopting his own culture is best for him.”
@Joseph
SOME of us ARE learning.
https://africanbloodsiblings.wordpress.com/
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@ Joseph
The only way you will do better is to focus on self-determination and getting out of the pit. Instead of focusing on how will white men accept you as their equals (which we won’t), create prosperity for yourselves.
I frankly don’t get and don’t care the whining about how someone has historically wronged them. Look at actually successful nations in the world; they don’t lament past wrongs and demand reparations or beg for aid. They work to improve their lot. Success breeds respect; whining breeds contempt.
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@Branko:
It isn’t a case of POC expecting whites to treat them as equals – experience shows that racist whites will, as you say, never do that. The extant system of white privilege loads the dice against POC having equal opportunities to achieve success.
Media stings in the UK have demonstrated many examples of prospective employers and (real) estate agents discriminating against POC and admitting to undercover reporters that the reason was race.
As for the whining thing, I have more contempt for a person who accepts oppression and inequality without resistance than I do for someone who yells back in its face.
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You can say whatever you like. I work with black people on a daily basis. Their work is half-assed and they give horrible customer service. There’s no sense of duty or attention to detail. They often lack emotional maturity. All the while being very arrogant and entitled. The consensus even amongst black men seems to be that black women are undateable. This creates a staggering amount of single black mothers that often aren’t emotionally mature. I’ve had conversations with some of my young black male co-workers and they talk about how their mothers where always yelling, screaming and hitting. More often then not this is the case. This behavior happens during very formative years and the results seems to be a lot of “acting out”. This cycle continues while getting progressively worse each time as social skills are decreased and personal responsibility for their children is shifted off their shoulders and onto to schools and institutions. But what do I care. Black lives matter.
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@ Leigh204sellout
Your imaginary black co-workers do not represent black people. If there work was as half-azzed as you claim they would be fired as the saying is “last hired…first fired.” That is unless of course the company has a bunch of half-azzed people working for them any way. In that case they are following company standards, which you so proudly exhibit due to your half-azzed research on matters.
In regards to black men dating black women, the stats are against you considering a large number of black men marry and date black women. Single black mothers include lesbian relationships, widows, and divorcee. So how did you come to the idea that the numbers are staggering? Not to mention single by choice women who have to be mature to decide that to begin with.
Unless you are black, I doubt you know the more often than nots. You just described America’s problem. Which obviously is not just black.
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It’s government work so their not going to be fired and they know it. Thanks afirmative action.
70% of black women are single. That’s a fact. I call that staggering.
You need to YouTube Tommy Sotomayor. Time to come out of your coma.
Black lives matter.
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Leigh204Sellout,
Are you a racist white person?
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Leigh204sellout
Being a government job does not guarantee you won’t get fired because you are black. Also affirmative action benefits that white female coworker more so than a coworker of color.
Actually that 70% is not a fact, it is a made up. Umber by people like Tommy Sotomayor who hates black women because they are black. That man makes up stuff for kicks and giggles knowing the dumber of the races will believe.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/11/opinion/sunday/black-and-female-the-marriage-question.html?_r=0
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@L.204sellout
While you come here and toss your racist garbage at us, your wealthy White cousins are robbing you blind. They even plan to steal your Social Security checks so that you end up in a 21st century county workhouse in your “golden years”.
Wealthy Whites won’t even blink when they toss you under the bus.
So much for the myth of White racial solidarity.
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Oh my! Is this for real? LOL! 🙂 Someone took the time to copy my screen name and call me a sellout? I’m flattered. Abagond, I do hope u can weed out the culprit. I’ve been called a lot of things but a sellout? This makes me laugh. 😀
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@ Leigh204sellout
If you want to continue commenting, please change your screen name to something uninsulting and stick to it.
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@ Leigh204sellout
Comments deleted for use of moderated language.
https://abagond.wordpress.com/comment-policy/
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Leigh204
Looks like a secret stalker.
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@ Sharina:
I think you’re right. I mean, I haven’t been on Abagond as much as I used to, but someone felt it was necessary to use my name and add sellout to it. Sellout? I don’t get it. How am I a sellout? To the weirdo, secret stalker, get a life. Thank you. lol. 😀
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@leigh:
It’s probably some disgruntled whiteman who is angry because you are not singing their proaises.
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I was laughing as I typed that excuse the typos!
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@Herneith:
Who knows? As you said, maybe this white dude is a bit miffed this one Asian woman doesn’t kiss their behinds. One thing that’s interesting, though. Idk what it is exactly, but my Asian spidey senses are tingling. The fact that this stalker referred to me as a sellout is telling. This person may not even be White. Dun dun dun!
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As for how to argue like a white person, it’s simple. Visit blogs run by Black people and whine and complain like a little b*tch. 🙂
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STRAIGHT FROM WHITE SUPREMACIES PLAY BOOK…..
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