Bill Clinton on Thursday (April 7th 2016) in Philadelphia had his own run-in with Black Lives Matter protesters. While he did answer their concerns instead of kicking them out (the more common approach), he talked down to them in true paternalistic, White liberal fashion.
Bill Clinton was US president from 1993 to 2001. He is campaigning so that his wife, Hillary Clinton, can be president from 2017 to 2021, if not till 2025.
In 2015 they both apologized for the mass incarceration of Black men caused by the 1994 Crime Bill that they supported. Hillary Clinton also apologized for calling Black youth “superpredators”, that “we have to bring them to heel.” But then on Thursday Bill Clinton defended the Crime Bill and the superpredator remark!! As if the apologies were fake!
Bill Clinton defending her superpredator remark:
“I don’t know how you would characterize gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out on the street to murder other African-American children. Maybe you thought they were good citizens. She didn’t.”
And:
“You are defending the people who kill the lives you say matter.”
I guess if Hillary loses, he can always work for Fox News.
Protesters were holding signs that said “Clinton Crime Bill Destroyed Our Communities” and “Black Youth Are Not Super Predators.”
Then Bill Clinton said, without irony:
“Tell the truth!”
He said protesters would not “hush” because they feared the truth. But he made statements about the 1994 Crime Bill that PolitiFact rated as “mostly false”! And statements about his 1996 welfare reform bill that the Huffington Post said were all false!
He argued that he and Hillary cared about Black lives. He even used Africa as an example!!! You know, that place where he did not a damn thing about the Rwandan genocide, despite his treaty obligations. What nerve.
A day later he said the Black Lives Matter protesters just wanted to be on television. He said he “almost” wanted to apologize for what he said.
Now that most Black primary voters have already voted, the Clintons no longer have to fauxpologize to Black people. Instead they need to appeal to what Hillary Clinton called “hard-working Americans”, meaning the racist White working class they have long built their electoral power on, the very people for whom they passed the draconian crime and welfare bills, many of whom are now Donald Trump supporters.
Michelle Alexander, author of “The New Jim Crow” (2010), commented on Facebook:
“Unfortunately much of the mainstream media seems to be buying (yet again) much of what Bill was selling yesterday. … It is a gross distortion to suggest that black people wanted billions of dollars slashed from child welfare, housing and other public benefits in order to fund an unprecedented prison building boom. It was Bill Clinton’s deliberate political strategy — one he championed along with the ‘New Democrats’ — to appeal to white swing voters by being tougher on struggling black communities than the Republicans had been, ramping up the drug war and gutting welfare.”
– Abagond, 2016.
See also:
- YouTube: Bill Clinton and Black Lives Matter
- comment: Michelle Alexander, PolitiFact, Huffington Post
- 2016 US election for president
- tropes:
- Black Lives Matter
- The mass incarceration of Black men
- Fox News
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Great post, as always! The Clintons really just don’t get it and don’t really care. I’m curious what you mean by: “…Hillary Clinton, can be president from 2017 to 2021…”
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Bill Clinton is a con artist. So is his wife. They will say anything to get her elected. Neither one gives a damn about black people. Bill was a bad president and his wife will be even worse. They know blacks mostly vote Democrat so they know blacks aren’t going anywhere. Which is why they say whatever the hell they want. They both make me sick!
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Bill could sell swamp land in Florida!
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“He even used Africa as an example!!!”
Yes this *&^%$*! inveigled himself as Nelson Mandela’s buddy.
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Andrew Joseph Pegoda:
“Hillary Clinton, can be president from 2017 to 2021, if not till 2025”
Abagond meant that if Hillary would be elected for a 2nd term, if she was elected for a 1st term.
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Bill Clinton= PoS. Figure that acronym out!
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Reblogged this on Helping the Crippled 2 God Community Organization and commented:
This is to Michelle Alexander about Bill Clinton’s comment, I think you are half right, but however Bill Clinton is making a great community assessment about Black Democracy in Philadelphia. See Bill Clinton approach is right because he is nationally aware of the economic setback of black people not just in Philadelphia, but Chicago and even Los Angeles
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Lol! Thanks. My brain didn’t process the “if” so I read it as if Abagond was suggesting Bill only wanted her to have one term or something like that.
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@Herneith
Ah! Very apt. His wife also a noisome stink-wave.
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Bill and Hill are hypocrites? Only now are Blacks waking up to that fact? How stupid. Why were people on this blog giving Lordy sh*t because he was promoting Bernie? At least Bernie doesn’t have a record of taking the Black vote for granted, because his constituents are mostly white. Now that it doesn’t matter, people are looking at the real record of Clinton. The fact that she was for Goldwater when Bernie was fighting for Civil Rights, made not the slightest impression on the Black political class. Could it be that they are all bought and paid for by the Clintons?
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I don’t think Bill’s comments are going to have a negative effect on the votes Hillary is getting from the Black community going forward into the primaries. That said their does seem to be more Blacks voting for Bernie now then their was at the beginning of the primary though it seems not enough to point to an actual shift.
I don’t think Bernie will win New York but I do think he will pull more then 40%. In California he seems really popular and I see Bernie support everywhere. But the Clinton machine in California is very well established.
I have also seen stories of Clinton delegates switching to Bernie so his support is growing in spite of his slow start.
The question is how many voters can Bernie herd back to Clinton once she gets the nomination. Right now one in four say they won’t support Hillary if she gets the nomination. That number is likely to rise if the Clinton machine resorts to dirty tricks. Party loyalty may not be as strong as it once was. I think Jill Stein will benefit from former Bernie supporters. I think the Green party will have its biggest year.
If Trump doesn’t get the nomination and goes third party its possible that the election gets spilt three ways with no candidate winning enough of the electoral collage to be declared a winner.
From the electoral collage web site.
“If no candidate receives a majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most Electoral votes. Each state delegation has one vote. The Senate would elect the Vice President from the 2 Vice Presidential candidates with the most Electoral votes. Each Senator would cast one vote for Vice President. If the House of Representatives fails to elect a President by Inauguration Day, the Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House.”
Considering the Republicans control the house this scenario doesn’t look good.
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None of this is surprising to me.
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I wonder if the Clinton Machine hired fake BLM protesters for the express purpose of giving the HRClinton campaign a “Sister Souljah moment”.
http://politicaldictionary.com/words/sister-souljah-moment/
In other words, more political calculation and manipulation of working class Whites at the expense of Black people. It is a well practiced maneuver on the part of the Clinton Machine.
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Bill and Hillary is a two-headed snake of the same pit. Either one of them will bight the hell out of you as soon they notice you’re not conscious of their deeds. These people have turned essentially turned condescension into an art when speaking to black folks!
Bill and Hillary: Alright black folks, you’re out of order, therefore, turn around, face the wall and don’t say a darn word until WE SAY you have permission to speak.
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@blakksage
The sad part is that some Black folk will turn around and face that wall until their masters tell them otherwise.
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“Now that most Black primary voters have already voted, the Clintons no longer have to fauxpologize to Black people. Instead they need to appeal to what Hillary Clinton called “hard-working Americans”, meaning the racist White working class they have long built their electoral power on, the very people for whom they passed the draconian crime and welfare bills, many of whom are now Donald Trump supporters.
Or Bernie Sanders supporters…
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Looks like the battle lines have been drawn. The mask has fallen off and its time to remain vigilant. If she wins, she will have to earn the respect of African Americans every step of the way. Everyday will have to be a day to be vigilant before she and her husband create another “super-predator” myth to pass another flawed law. I have a feeling that if Hillary wins, she will have to do something really great in her first term in order to win a second term.
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GCM! That finger wagging reminds me of another racist PoS.
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“I have a feeling that if Hillary wins, she will have to do something really great in her first term in order to win a second term.”
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If she wins her greatest feat will have been becoming the first ever woman president. Her second greatest feat (as first lady) was almost coming up with a national health care plan.
The scariest feat is that she and her rapist husband will be back in the white-house renting out the Lincoln bedroom while covering up non-stop scandals… and worse!
Amerikans and the news media must have a very short memory re Vince Foster, Ron Brown, Mena Arkansas drug hub, Watergate, Webb Hubbell (as Chelsea’s daddy) China-gate and so much, much more.
Unbelievable!
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But Bernie Sanders voted for that same crime bill as senator! Lets not forget that! Black politicians also supported this bill. I’m sick of the Clintons getting most of the blame for this.
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Wow, how uncanny that Abagond did a post on this topic and I have been reading different viewpoints on this topic all morning and I was just getting ready to read the article Michelle Alexander did on Why Black People Shouldn’t Vote For Hilary Clinton. I have every intention of purchasing her book The NewJim Crow. No, I am no with her and HRC will not be getting my vote this latest dust up with Bill Clinton popping off at BLM is why I can’t ride with the Clintons. I had to laugh at HRC showing up at Black Girls Rock ceremony and pandering to the black female audience and looking at me the body language and looks on the audience members faces, she was very out of place in that venue.
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Unfortunately many black folks want to remain on the Clinton plantation.
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here we go
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it is disingenuous and sort of seemingly reflexively or self-apologetic? i guess from the perspective of him ushering in big prison that’s what i got out of it, just some bullish, i really have not had an instant where my opinion of bill clinton has improved since i guess he was on mtv the first time
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oops sorry the quote didn’t show through, i tryed to transcribe it
he’s saying ‘you defend the gang leaders who get 13 year old children hopped up on crack and send them out in the street to kill people’ wow… first of all, would you give a strung out crackhead a loaded gun?
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Afrofem said: “The sad part is that some Black folk will turn around and face that wall until their masters tell them otherwise.”
Very true Afrofem! This is nothing short of 400 years of conditioning and/or learned behavior at work, and in plain sight. Black folks must begin to self actualize themselves in a new realm as a NATION, not as mere scattered and impotent communities. We must disconnect from this adversarial political system and move to create a new self concept of ourselves politically, socially and spiritually. But first and foremost, we must unite as a people.
Metaphorically speaking, continual leaning on the white man’s shoulder for support in every manner imaginable has gotten us to the destination of a desolate intersection for far too long.
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Mary said,
“Unfortunately many black folks want to remain on the Clinton plantation.”
Abagond has pointed our in other places how poorer whites voted against their own self interest by voting Republican. I was thinking the same analogy could be made here with the Black vote going for Clinton. Then it occurred to me that at least whites had the option of voting Democrat whereas Blacks don’t really have any where else to go. As a poster pointed out further up the thread Bernie voted for the crime bill too. That said I think you could still make the argument that Bernie is the better canidate because he has done the least amount of damage to the Black community in spite of him supporting the crime bill.
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@Mary Burrell
So true! She does have lots of nerve, doesn’t she?
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@v8driver
That whole comment by WJClinton was pure “dog whistle” politics. The people who responded to to his whistle all conveniently forgot about the methheads, opiod and heroin addicts in their own households.
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@Michael Jon Barker
Yikes!
The procedures that follow an Electoral College split are pretty terrifying. With the Republicans in obstruction mode and the Democrats in hand-wringing mode those procedures are a recipe for disaster.
Then again, it might be just the crisis that could help end the undemocratic Electoral College. Sometimes crisis = opportunity. Sometimes crisis just equals pain.
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@akim67
You make a great point that the crime bill that devastated Black communities had broad bi-partisan support. And bi-racial support (to the everlasting shame of the Congressional Black Caucus).
However, the Clintons were at the sharp edge of the axe that cut down so many Black men in their prime and left the Black community in a shambles.
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“You make a great point that the crime bill that devastated Black communities had broad bi-partisan support. And bi-racial support (to the everlasting shame of the Congressional Black Caucus).”
In other words, they, the Congressional Black Caucus, were and still are “…bought and paid for by the Clintons…” Nothing new here, except that a substantial part of the White electorate revolted against the traditional leaders the GOP and the Democratic parties tried to foist on them by voting for Trump and Sanders.
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@gro jo
The Congressional Black Caucus has been labeled the “Black Misleadership Class” by the writers and editors of Black Agenda Report for nearly a decade. They got a lot of vociferous pushback from die-hard Black Democrats in the early days…and pure hate when they dared to call Obama a phony.
Now, most people see how rotten and useless the CBC (and Obama) are to the majority of Black folk.
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“Now, most people see how rotten and useless the CBC (and Obama) are to the majority of Black folk.”
I don’t know about “most”. Just this minuscule minority of internet denizens that takes the time to examine the facts.
Obie’s approval rating among blacks still runs about 90 percent.
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You people fail to understand how wonderful Bill Clinton ha been to the blacks of America. I don’t know if you remember but Bill Clinton is the first black president (so says black writer Alice Walker) AND he even played the saxophone on the Arsenio Hall Show! So how could he be anti-black when black people loved him when he was in power! Look how you supported him during the Lewinsky thing! Are you suggesting that black people put pressure on he Democratic Party? GET REAL!
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“Obie’s approval rating among blacks still runs about 90 percent.”
Incredible!
That’s some serious *field* negro’s cognitive dissonance going Obomber’s way as the head *house* negro in-charge!
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@Fan …
I’m tellin ya! It blows my mind!
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The last week of February it was 94! Damn near 100 percent!
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I found this picture on Michele Alexander’s Web site. Bill sending a message to white people that he got their them super predators.
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“The last week of February it was 94! Damn near 100 percent!”
@ nomad
The Matrix’s blue pill swallowers live on.
… or they’re part of the Zombie apocalypse.
Hold on to your seat!
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^^^ *those super predators
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@nomad
OK, OK, I was way off base with that statement!
90% or higher means my Southern relatives and I would still get into shouting matches over their hero, The First Black Prez.
Thanks for the correction. (smile)
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Bailed out banksters/wall street. Black approval rating 90%.
Baited and switched healthcare reform. Black approval rating 90%.
Tried to sellout social security. Black approval rating 90%.
Destroyed the most prosperous nation in Africa. Black approval rating 90%.
Presides over brutal racist police state. Black approval rating 90%.
This be funny, but it’s also the truth.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/snl-fake-black-political-talk-show-thinks-obama-can-do-no-wrong-ever/
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I guess Slick Willy’s not so black anymore! And to think, the only reason Clinton is beating Bernie is because of her strong support from blacks in the South. SMDH
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Folks stop falling for the okey doke. Clinton, Sanders, Trump, Cruz, et al. are all hacks of varying degrees selling different songs to whomever will listen.
Bill is going for another Sister Souljah moment but good old Bernie voted for the bill too. People also forget the the Violence Against Women Act and Assault weapons ban were included in the bill as well. In terms of mass incarceration, the prison population started to rise in the 1970s and was, and is, largely a state driven issue not federal as most crimes committed are/were state, not federal, crimes.
To be fair to the odious CBC, they (Conyers) proposed an alternative crime bill crime which included prevention programs, drug treatment, and creating job opportunities but as is their craven nature they fell in line in the end.
IMO, the other issue being raised which Slick Willy knows is not really about the crime bill but is about the “mainstream” perception of the BLM movement. The BLM movement violates what I call the third rule of Blackness in America which is – “White feelings are more important than Black reality”.
Notice how most of eternal whines about BLM are either less concerned or not concerned at all about the actual issue being raised – the never ending police brutality against blacks? Rather, they are concerned that Black people protesting about it makes them feel uncomfortable and their uncomfortableness is more important than Eric Garner laying dead in the street. Hence the “All Lives Matter” response slogan. They don’t care about the issue or “all lives”. What they really mean is “Why don’t you Black people stop complaining about the police killing you!? It’s making me upset…..at you.”
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“Bailed out banksters/wall street. Black approval rating 90%.
Baited and switched healthcare reform. Black approval rating 90%.
Tried to sellout social security. Black approval rating 90%.
Destroyed the most prosperous nation in Africa. Black approval rating 90%.
Presides over brutal racist police state. Black approval rating 90%.
This be funny, but it’s also the truth.”
Blacks refuse to experience buyer’s remorse. Obama allowed them the illusion of being in charge for eight years. I can’t blame the man, after all he never promised to do anything for Blacks. Can anybody here recall a single promise Obama made to the Black electorate? I can’t. The Obama thing was always, a one way love affair. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qqXLiNll80)
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@ks
Or Akai Gurley bleeding out on a stairwell. Or Sandra Bland murdered in a jail cell over a traffic stop.
Abagond has covered this territory in detail:
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@Afrofem,
Indeed. One of my favorite examples of that is the “civilization” argument where they claim to be civilized and extol the virtues of civilization and so on.
I mean they have spent the vast majority of their history murdering each other in the tens and hundreds of millions for any number of reasons usually over the plots of land the size of Rhode Island. They had to invent global organizations and structures that were primarily designed to keep them from each others throats and secondarily everybody else’s throats. Even with all that, they still hate each other and the whole thing could fall apart into their usual tribal insanity.
But when it comes to us, get ready for a lecture about Shakespeare, or a count of Nobel Prizes or how they built roads or….blah, blah, blah….
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Not in my elemenet with American politics.
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Probably off the mark: Bill Clinton recycling the ‘superpredator sound-bite’ signalling Black peril , after his wife has got the Black vote, in a similar way that other president, Ronald Reagan used ‘Welfare Queen’ to garner votes in a kind of Southern strategy. Sounds like the Democrats are Republicans in sheep’s clothing.
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^element
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‘I swear I am not a racist, one of my best friends is Black’:
(http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/06/bill-clinton-on-mandela-he-inspired-me-before-i-knew-him/)
Propaganda peddling pornographic poverty:
(https://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work/by-region/africa)
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@gro jo
‘ Can anybody here recall a single promise Obama made to the Black electorate?”
Let me —think—
No. But he did tell us we didn’t exist in any sociopolitical sense.
“Now even as we speak,” Obama told delegates to the Democratic National Convention in Boston, “there are those who are preparing to divide us… I say to them tonight, there’s not a liberal America and a conservative America; there’s the United States of America. There’s not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there’s the United States of America.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/06/disrespecting-obama-race-class-empire-and-identity-politics/
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@taotesan
“Sounds like the Democrats are Republicans in sheep’s clothing.”
That is the bare truth about American politics. You can see it in South Africa, but most Americans are blind to that one fact.
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@ks
Seems like you’ve heard those “Master Race” songs before. (chuckle)
We all have them memorized from elementary school onward.
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I don’t know when you’re going to get it . White people are all the same.
All whites without any exception are filled of a strong negative mindset towards African people . All whites are filled with a severe COMPLEX of ”superiority” towards the HUMANS beings they dragged in chains, burned alive, forced in to hard UNPAID labor for over 400 years.
Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Bernier Sanders, Donald Trump,Ted Cruz, John Kasich are all the same white filled with the same STINKY white shit. No difference. All those white candidates are all filled with the same HATRED towards African people.
All whites, regardless of ”what” they are, who they are, poor, rich, illiterate, educated, average Joe, regular guy, famous, Christians, males, females, young, old, human rights advocates, pastors, priests, nuns, political leaders, lawyers, prosecutors, white police, FBI, white reporters, school teachers, professors, whites claiming to be so much in love with nonwhites and all those FAT and OLD white females CHASING Jamaican men and others for SEX, it doesn’t matter who a white claims to be, when it comes to African people , whites share the same exact degrading, dehumanizing, criminalizing and stereotyping views towards them!
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It would be off-topic,Afrofem,but I would say it is also very exasperating here that quite a few/many Black and Coloured voters that are members of a white liberal party:The Democratic Alliance. Just can’t understand it . Many Coloureds in the Cape voted after Nelson Mandela became the first Black democratically elected president, for the New Nationalist Party, the party of the previous regime!
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@ taotesan
I referred to your post on the open thread, as South African politics is a bit of topic here.
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wifey jokes about cp time
(https://youtu.be/-Rzt0p97ngg)
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@taotesan
Hi. This is very interesting.
I’m unfamiliar with SAfrican politics but are you saying that the coloureds sided with the whites against the blacks?
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Bull. Please explain the fact that a white woman doctor making over $300k a year would marry and have children with a black man who makes less than she does? They live a nice life in their million dollar house. She isn’t fat or old, at least she wasn’t when she married him. Should said black man in question quit her for a black woman, will he get a better deal? It’s one thing to accuse Whites of the crimes they committed, but it’s silly to demonize every member of that group.
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@ graceverywell
In my young times in Germany I remember receiving a suggestion for reading and, indeed, a book by a German woman friend. It was a book from Eric Fromm and despite the fact that I don’t recollect precisely its title, one of the thoughts of its author had in me a lasting impression.
Fromm wrote there something about human relationships and power, and, more precisely he stated that humans tend to recognize the humanity of the Other (fellow human) insofar they recognize the power behind that Other (human)
In the absence of that power the Other tend to be seen or treated as nothing more than an animal or inanimate object.
This is a very generalized phenomenon. You see it not only in the way Whites (oft) see and treat Blacks, but also in the way members of upper classes (oft) see and treat members of lower classes in a given society*, or in the way citizens of wealthy countries (oft) see and treat immigrants of poorer countries, etc.
This observation, despite very negative in its direct mean, has nonetheless a possibly positive interpretation, namely: the way Whites (and indeed the rest of mankind) sees and treats Black people worldwide, will probably improve significantly if and when, some Black nations** develop substantially.
This points to a way out of the conundrum.
Theoretically, humans should treat their fellow humans correctly independently of the power they see emanating from them. But the reality is that unless you become somewhat powerful, they’ll likely treat you like a nobody.
The redemption of Blacks will not come individually. Only a few collective Black entities (Black nations) will achieve that goal (of redemption of the race).
*My father was born and lived most of his live in the Portuguese colony of Mozambique. He saw the abuses of the colonialists against Africans at that time, but he also saw the country become independent, the socialist revolution that swamped it in the first decade, the civil war and finally its turn to capitalism. Despite the richness of that social experience, he remains a very class conscious individual and this I see, even today, in the way he treats his servants in his house. Makes me remember, a little bit, the way colonialists treated colonized Black people during the colonial era: the yells, the frequent overload of work imposed unto them, etc. Sometimes you wonder what makes people behave so hardly towards other people. And this is typical of a middle and upper class in our society. Race is not the only boundary!
**Black nations. I believe that a few African countries have a profile today that will allow them to become substantially powerful in a few decades. This was what I had in mind when I wrote the paragraph above about Black nations that will redeem the race.
PLEASE, ABAGONG, DELETE MY LAST COMMENT!
Came with a grave error in form!
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“You know, that place where he did not a damn thing about the Rwandan genocide, despite his treaty obligations” I wonder how the BLM movemnet sees the Rwanda conflict. Do BLM people have sympathy for the Tutsis, or are the Tutsis rather seen as a market-dominating minority (like maybe Koreans in L.A in the 90´s) opressing the good Bantu people. After all I suppose Bantu people are thge poeple BLM cares about. Do those Tutsis, who are coloured yet rather caucasian looking maybe even remind BLM people of south-.asian shop owners in towns like Ferguson? Does the BLM movemnet comdemn what the Hutus did, or is it rather seen as a justified uprising, like giant flash-mobs and riots? Isn´t the fact that the Tutsis prevailed and Kagame came to power reminding BLM people of the kind of “power structure” they are fighting in the US?
OR is it primary seen as an issue of black people killing black people, respectively black people dying which – following BLM logic – immediately leads to the question: which white man is to blame?
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@ Max
I do not remember BLM ever coming out in support of genocide against anyone.
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@ munubantu
POOF!
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@ graceverywell
Whilst I can see where you are coming from, disagreeing and agreeing with viewpoints, I will never defend white people to argue with you.
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@ nomad
Not funny. Yet further proof she is a racist.
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Now, let’s apply the same standard here that’s applied Trump supporters:
ALL of Hillary Clinton’s supporters are racist.
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@ Kartoffel
I have a reply in the ‘Open Thread’
@Nomad
I have a reply in the ‘Coloured Thread’
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Was he lying? If you’re from the hood, you know black on black crime. This generation is SOFTTTTTT, and focused on political BS, while other races are focused on building new industries. Enough is enough.
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@graceverywell
I see things differently. I understand and have personally experienced the fact that many Whites/European descent people have strong negative views of Black/African people and a superiority complex. Many, but not all.
If you are Black, like me, you have experienced a lifetime of abusive behavior from Whites including daily micro-aggressions, police stops, being followed around stores and worse…much worse. Being on the receiving end of abusive behavior can lead to great anger or rage. Totally understandable.
If you allow your rage to control you it can burn away your thoughts, your feelings and eventually your body (in the form of poor health). Meanwhile, the people you caused your rage are sleeping just fine every night and will outlive you. There’s no justice in that, is there?
However, if you control your rage and put it to work for you, it can act as fuel for positive change in your life and the lives of people you care about. Positive change like fighting against police violence and other injustices.
There are Whites who have broken out of the “superiority complex” jail. They see themselves as fully human (faults and all) and are able to see other people as fully human, not just as stereotypes. They are a minority, but they are out there.
graceverywell, don’t let your rage rule you. Anger can be a good servant, but a poor master.
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“Anger can be a good servant, but a poor master.”
🙂
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@Nomad : Di Blasio is married to a black woman why did he agree to do this tasteless joke about cp time?
@Abagond:
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@Abagond: Why do you think DiBlasio would go along making a tasteless joke about cp time when he is married to a black woman himself?
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@Mary Burrell
‘Di Blasio is married to a black woman why did he agree to do this tasteless joke about cp time?’
I dunno but i’ve seen this kind of thing before. Whites thinking they’ve got a pass to make racial jokes because they have a friend who’s black and sometimes that friend is you. Jokes about watermelon and fried chicken meant to be ironic.
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@ Mary Burrell
He has a Black wife. It’s just possible she says this type of thing at home all the time (we all know a lot of Black folk who do this privately) and DiBlasio “forgot” exactly where he was. Maybe, just maybe….
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@ Mary
Di Blasio should know better, but, like nomad said, maybe he thinks he gets some kind of pass. I do not see Jeb Bush making Mexican jokes.
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I laughed when I saw this in the news because the joke felt so fucking flat and it came from a man who has built a reputation in NYC for being a bumbling fool when he is good and ready. C’mon, it was funny watching him make the joke and the audience giving him that “are you fucking crazy” look. I was waiting for them to start hurling tomatoes at him.
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@Afrofem
‘90% or higher means my Southern relatives and I would still get into shouting matches over their hero, The First Black Prez.’
LOL! You;re a heretic.
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@nomad
So true, so true! (chuckle)
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@Kiwi
Thanks for the link.
I’m sure that happens a lot in unhealthy relationships. In the case of Ms. Hanson it sounds like her husband was extremely disrespectful and insensitive. If he were married to a White woman, he would still be a lout. With a Black wife it took on a racial dimension.
Not all interracial or inter-ethnic couples are comfortable discussing and understanding race, ethnicity or respect.
I feel for Ms. Hanson, she went to that quack, Dr. Laura, for help and only received more abuse. I hope Ms. Hanson has since found a healthy resolution to her husband’s disrespect.
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‘Slick Willy’ sounds vaguely obscene. That moniker alone shopuld prevent folks from voting for him.
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“Di Blasio should know better, but, like nomad said, maybe he thinks he gets some kind of pass. I do not see Jeb Bush making Mexican jokes.”
That’s because Jeff Bush didn’t degay his wife and Di Blasio did that.
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Kiwi said
“I know for a fact that White men make jokes about and mock the race of their non-White wives all the time.”
It depends upon whether the relationship is rooted in supremacy or whether it’s rooted in mutual repect.
Men who mock their wives, regardless of what race they are, do so because they are weak not because they are strong.
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ah boy this all is going deep here. i am guilty of saying something similar to this recently, to my wife, actually. i was trying to get a ride to the train station from my lead tech after a job (a black guy, real nice) and it started off ‘by the way, i have to pick up my son on the way’ and a 15 block ride wound up taking almost an hour, and i got to babysit a newborn in bull’s running car while he ran inside someone’s house (twice).
i was much more guilty of an anti-jewish bias i guess implicit in terms of my first marriage, it was usually couched in something like, “who’s cheaper, scottish or jews?”
and explaining that all to someone else was always like ‘i can say that because…’
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in my defense i was explaining why i was late, call it a cop out!
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@v8driver
At least you are being honest.
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@ From the real hood not rap hood
“Was he lying?”
Yes, he was lying when he said “She was the first candidate who said let’s get these people who did nonviolent offenses out of prison.”
She supported mandatory minimums for mere possession of crack and crack cocaine, which is a NONVIOLENT offense that disproportionately targeted blacks at a rate of 90%.
60% of people in federal prisons under Bill were there on drug related charges, not nonviolent crimes. It was only 22% a decade earlier.
He was lying when he said, “You are defending the people who kill the lives you say matter.” No one at that event was defending criminals.
He was also lying when he said, “Why did we have the largest drop in African-American poverty in history when I was President.” Poverty did not drop in the African-American community, they just stopped including the hundreds of thousands of blacks that were newly incarcerated.
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60% of people in federal prisons under Bill were there on drug related charges, *not violent crimes*
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“‘Slick Willy’ sounds vaguely obscene. That moniker alone should prevent folks from voting for him.”
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Slick Willy is called that because he has more lives more than 10 cats combined.
Literally.
He used many of his *cat lives* (getting away with murder and more) while married to Witchery, I mean Hillary. The witch has a bunch of 9 lives of her own, too. She been implicated in a large number of scandals – even before her latest “email” debacle.
Their scandals aren’t conspiracies theories. They are cover-ups. They are crimes that those at the top (with power/money) regularly get away with, and never go to jail for. The only difference is that most politicians aren’t the trailer park variety – no offense to decent folks who live in Trailer Parks.
Neither one of them should ever occupy a public office again.. but this is Amerika where strange and frightening things happen on the regular.
(See the Clinton Chronicles and other related aberrant stuff on the Internet)
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@taotesan
“@Nomad
I have a reply in the ‘Coloured Thread’”
could not locate.
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@Nomad
I think you should just type Coloured (and not Thread) the search field.
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‘Willy’ is a slang name for a man’s genitals here it may be in the States as well. Wasn’t he getting bjs in the White house by some intern? Memories are short it seems.
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“Wasn’t he getting bjs in the White house by some intern? Memories are short it seems.”
Yep, he was, or so we’re told. The NEWS stories/cycles are MANAGED to overload one’s brain with all sorts of meaningless stuff to divert our attention away from the things we should know about!
Monica, the least of his indiscretions, was imo a diversion for his higher crimes.. and I’m not talking about adultery.
Anywho, the rapist in chief was impeached, and then acquitted by the US senate who possessed ample evidence to convict.
That was my wake up call.. my realization that the US govt is without a doubt foul and that the rule of law is a dead letter.
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@graceverywell
I am one of those people who dislike people telling me who, what and how I am, having lived in an authoritarian state. So please dismiss as you see fit and keep the best bits. After it ‘came to an end’ I was terrified of white people. Then I moved in to a space, where I refused to take on the same characteristics as them and humanized them as full human beings with a capacity to change from being beneficiaries, on lookers and colluders with apartheid to sincerely interrogating their role in perpetuating structural racism and gross inequality. So far, only one white person that I have met and know personally has blown me out the water in all my dealings with white people. He is one of my best friends’ husband. He is a government minister in a majority Black political party. There are very few, I have not met personally , but they are worth mentioning for two reasons, to acknowledge their fight against injustice and pointing out they are far too few. I am not talking about white people with pleasant personalities( who after the benefit of the doubt are fundamentalist racists with a nice façade.)
There is not one Black South African who knows of Father Trevor Huddleson, an Anglican priest who wrote ‘Naught for your Comfort’, who does not consider him to be a hero, myself included. Then there is Che Guevara and Fidel Castro whom many American minds are poisoned against. But it was Fidel Castro, with his Internationalist policy in Angola, who had played a very important and leading role in contributing to the ending of apartheid. Castro and Che Guevara are men that many Africans celebrate as heros, myself included. That is why the late Nelson Mandela considered Castro a true friend ( and a hero in our liberation). Then there was the time at a UN conference against racism, that I had met two ultra- orthodox Jewish men who were against the state of Israel. I had since learned that there are quite a few Jewish Israeli dissidents in jail.
I/we can’t not talk about, for example, John Brown, John Pilger, Eli Wiesl, Viktor Frankl, Ronnie Kasrils, Susan Sontag, Noam Chomsky, my friend’s husband, et al and say white people are just the same. Whatever foibles and shortcomings they may have they had made up with their contribution to humanity. They fall in my beautiful human beings category. They are fully human the way we are fully human. It is a just a great tradegy that most white people can’t apprehend the rest of humanity as fully human and not a monolithic mass to hurt. The great pity, in the white supremacist dominated world, there are too few, far too few ‘beautiful human beings’.
Then there are white people who use the ‘not all’, the exemplars of humanity, to excuse their own racism.
Because of the structure of white supremacy, we have centuries of perfected brainwashing, with people’s minds weakened from originality, we sometimes cannot even locate our own enemy even if they are right in front of us. For example, Black people voting for the Clintons , not once but twice. Another great white person said: ‘Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.’
I understand though, where you are coming from because sometimes the structure is so huge that I also find myself in that continuum of looping despair, cynicism and anger, where they all seem to be the same. Yet we are complex, capable of magnanimity and correct vision even towards those who are unjust towards us.
As angry as I am about injustice and inequality,I still for my own sake, locate the ‘good’ in others with my own lens. And memorialize what is possible.
End of ramble.
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@ graceverywell
I agree with taotesan: there are some good White people, who are not just facade, but sadly they are few. White supremacy is an extremely powerful ideology, like sand in a sandstorm.
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@taotesan
Beautifully written!
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@ abagond:
“I do not remember BLM ever coming out in support of genocide against anyone”
there was this Harvard debate recently where a BLM guy talked about “never affirm white life”, make them commit suicide etc.
The debate can be watched on youtube.
There is a lot of stuff like that in the internet, associated with the #BLM hashtag.
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@ taotesan
And, please, don’t forget also Ruth First and Joe Slovo, who, in my opinion were true heroes in the fight against Apartheid:
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_First)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Slovo)
Both lived for a while in Maputo in the 80’s and R. First died there*, amidst the confrontation
But we don’t need to demand so much for normal White citizens in order to be acceptable as human beings.
My understanding of White behavior can be summarized in one sentence**:
— Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely! —
Whites have become too powerful for too long vis-a-vis people of color, in different latitudes, and that power corrupted their nature to a certain extent. They have learnt to see themselves as kind of half-gods. This was the type of prevailing racial interactions until recently. The worldwide process of awakening of people of color is turning gradually the power balance to a more even relationship, and the changes in believes will come naturally, both in the minds of Whites and non-Whites, although slowly. A few generations must come and go in order to achieve a new equilibrium.
Notes:
*Joe Slovo survived to see his country turns a democracy.
** This sentence is not of my authorship and is oft applied to characterize how the minds of certain individuals (politicians) who transit from regular guys to dictators for life change as a consequence of that.
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Incomplete sentence in my last comment:
It should be:
R. First died there*, amidst the confrontation between the Apartheid regime and the forces against it, inside and outside South Africa, in particular in the so called Frontline states**.
**About Frontline states, see the Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontline_States)
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