Fox News (1996- ), along with CNN and MSNBC, is one of the three main cable news channels on American television. Its fact-checking is so terrible that its viewers are less well-informed than those who do not follow the news.
- Ownership: Rupert Murdoch, who also owns Sky News, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post, Vogue and 21st Century Fox, among other things.
- Location: New York.
- Political viewpoint: hard-right Republican.
- Viewers: Over a million nightly viewers, more than CNN and MSNBC put together.
- Orwellian catchphrase: “Fair and balanced.”
- Parodies: “The Colbert Report” (2005-2014).
Willie Horton.
Roger Ailes runs Fox News. He is the one who produced Rush Limbaugh’s television show in the 1990s. He and Lee Atwater gave us the Willie Horton ad (pictured) in 1988, which played on White racist fears of Black rapists. He was media advisor to Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George Bush and Rudy Giuliani.
Fox News is part of the Southern Strategy, which Ailes helped to pioneer in his Nixon days. It uses racist dog whistles to divide the working class and get Whites to vote against their class interests. Now that Ailes has a television channel, he can race-bait 24 hours a day, coast to coast. As the Southern Poverty Law Center noted in 2010, Fox News has a
“long history of crude and transparent race-baiting.”
Fox News is also part of the Republican Bubble, creating a world cut off from knowable facts while it pulls the Republican Party farther and farther right. This has made the party more ideological and hard-line and less open to compromise, reason – or facts, like on global warming.
2014: Five White people discuss Race in America on Fox News.
Race: Host Bill O’Reilly says that no one he knows at Fox News is racist. Yet, somehow:
- Blacks made up only 1% of its audience in 2010, even though they made up 19% of MSNBC’s audience and 21% of CNN’s.
- Whites who watch Fox News regularly are markedly more racist than those who do not. That is true even if you only look at White conservatives over the age of 50.
Most White conservatives who regularly watch Fox believe:
- Teflon History: Slavery has little effect on Blacks today.
- Bootstrap Myth: If Blacks would only try harder they could be just as well off as Whites.
Nearly half believe Blacks are lazy.
Fox plays up the racism of Blacks and plays down the racism of Whites, even at the expense of knowable facts. For example:
- Dylan Roof: It suggested that he was anti-Christian, not anti-Black, in the teeth of Roof’s own words to the contrary.
- Tea Party: It repeatedly suggested or claimed that there was no evidence that they are racist – despite their racially charged signs and slogans.
- Shirley Sherrod: It repeatedly said she was racist, even after the video that that was based on was shown to be edited, taking her comment out of context.
- NAACP bombing: When the Colorado chapter of the NAACP was bombed on the evening of January 6th 2015, CNN and MSNBC had reported it by the next day, Fox News had not.
-Abagond, 2015.
Sources: Mainly Inquistr (2015), ThinkProgress (2015), Salon (2015), Politifact (2014), Media Matters (2011), SPLC (2010), Huffington Post (2010).
Update (2019): Fox News now is just straight-up propaganda in the service of Donald Trump, the current US president. It swung behind Trump in March 2016, when he was running for president. Roger Ailes was forced out four months later. It has since descended into painful self-parody. There are maybe only two people left who have any respect for the truth or critical thinking – Mike Wallace and Shepard Smith. It flat-out lied about the Mueller Report, which means it assumes/knows its audience does not read.
See also:
- talking heads on Fox News:
- Sean Hannity
- Bill O’Reilly
- Laura Ingraham
- Stacey Dash
- Juan Williams
- Candace Owens
- Michelle Malkin
- Frank Gaffney
- The press
- Republican
- Dylan Roof
- Tropes:
- 2014 Media guide
Abagond 
Fox news should be changed to Faux news because their news sources are false and unreliabe
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It amuses me greatly regarding the pic of the all white panel’s discussion on race in America. The last time I checked, race in America involved black people and other POC.
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This is a perfect summation. People who depend on Faux “news” for their information seem, in my experience anyway, to be most likely to cling to false notions which have repeatedly disproven with scientific study, and in denial about all manner of discrimination. If I make a reference to the continued existence of Sundown Towns, for example, these are the people who A/ Don’t have any idea what the term means AND B/ When I explain the concept, they immediately try to defend/deflect by saying absurd things like, “well, there are a lot of black neighborhoods where white people aren’t safe, either.”
The level of idiocy is so pathetic I would find it laughable–if it weren’t for the fact that these nutball sheeple are numerous and quite dangerous in their collective power–they have a vote and tend to use it. And often use it to elect people who will do whatever possible to prevent people of other political persuasions from exercising their own votes…
Yikes.
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Fox Family disciples have killed more people than the Manson Family disciples
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“That is true even among White conservatives over the age of 50.” Shouldn’t this read: “That is true especially among White conservatives. . . “?
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@ Kiwi
Lots of whites who hold racist ideas about blacks and other nonwhites make exception of Asians, which are seen as exotic. While there is a history of racism against Asians in the USA, lots of whites who would never associate with blacks will accept and even support white-Asian unions, particularly a white male and Asian female union, which is considered somehow appropriate if not typical. Racism in the USA has a shape and profile; it is not just “racism” in some generic sense.
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@ Lou:
You DO know you’re talking to Kiwi, right? He has a lot to say about the WM/AF dynamic. Go on, Kiwi. Explain it to him.
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You do know that one of those people in that picture of the blondes is a man, right?
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@ satanforce
I noticed that too. I assume it is a joke.
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@ Lou
Even when you consider only White conservatives over 50, regular Fox News viewers are STILL more racist than others.
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@ Lou
Some of the most racist commenters on this blog have been White men married to Asian women. Kiwi was being sarcastic.
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@@abagond
I don’t think so, else why would he be so prominently shown/ Ann Coulter may be skinny, but not hard to miss.
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Wow Peanut lol letting it all hang out!
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Pumpkin said, “Randy and Biff?” Be careful, Pumpkin. Most of the folks here are studiously avoiding using my screen name, so as not to encourage my re-appearance (though they still enjoy throwing off not too subtle insults at me when they can).
“Oh that one guy who was always harassing Kiwi and who I told him to stop and he basically said I was “emasculating,” Kiwi by defending him…”
Um, Pumpkin, please go back and look at topics I commented on. 90% of the time it was Kiwi responding to me, not vice versa. It only appears to you that I was “harassing” him, because when Kiwi chose to take things personal (as he always did), I hit back harder than he could. That’s why abagond made it impermissible to even make any insinuations about someone’s sexual orientation (though it seems it’s perfectly find to talk about men who like Asian women.. just not men who like men–a little strange when you think about it).
abagond said “Fox News is also part of the Republican Bubble, creating a world cut off from knowable facts while it pulls the Republican Party farther and farther right. ”
abagond, you KNOW that the mainstream media as a whole is well to the left of public opinion on most issues. You also KNOW that the country as a whole is moving further and further to the left as the years go by. So your scaremongering is at worst very deceptive, if not outright lying.
The sad truth is leftism is causing greater and greater inequality because (i) it discourages the wealthy, intelligent and successful from having more kids, while (ii) practically encouraging the poor, unintelligent and less successful to have more kids and blowing up their families with easy out of wedlock births and divorces; and (iii) encourages illegal immigration that burdens all tax payers while primarily benefiting the wealthy who can make use of cheap labor and live in almost all white neighborhoods. So we have a situation where the country is moving further and further to the left, but (absent technological advances, whose impact on overall economic well-being has been relatively limited in recent years) things are clearly getting worse for most people, especially NAMs. Although you can’t deny either of these trends, you can’t seem to see that these two things are directly correlated…
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Kiwi, I am not defending Biff, but that is not what he said.
He was trying to make personal insinuations (of the ad hominem kind) while trying to sound impersonal.
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@ satanforce
LMAO.
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@ Pumpkin
And some others.
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@ Pumpkin
You have summoned him forth!
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@ biff
The press as a whole is to the left of the country as a whole, I agree with that. But I do not see the country as a whole moving to the left. I do not even see how you see that. Yes, it moved left from 1930 to 1970, but since then it has moved right. Thus schools are resegregating, the racial wealth gap is growing, income inequality is getting worse and the Voting Rights Act was gutted.
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@Abagond: Isn’t censoring someone a form of oppression (violating someone of their most basic rights)?
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@biff:
Is that you Bill? Think of it folks, you take the crss of the fs’ and you got bill!
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abagond said, “But I do not see the country as a whole moving to the left. I do not even see how you see that. Yes, it moved left from 1930 to 1970, but since then it has moved right. Thus schools are resegregating, the racial wealth gap is growing, income inequality is getting worse and the Voting Rights Act was gutted.”
Really? You are soaking up the liberal media kool aid here, abagond… In 1970, there was equal rights legislation, but no requirement or expectation for “affirmative action”. People didn’t get fired or turned into an instant pariah for claiming that there were, on average, differences in intelligence between blacks and whites. Women were not expected to be exactly the same as men and heavily recruited to be in the military. Gay marriage was not celebrated, let alone transsexuals. Single motherhood wasn’t heroic. On the whole, people were much more “conservative”, even with some hippies challenging power structures. Now the former hippies control the power structures! Today we have “micro-aggressions”, “fat acceptance”, “transphobia”.. all sorts of equalist garbage. Even using the term “illegal immigrants” is not politically correct, as it might offend someone. Someone from 1970 (an Archie Bunker type) if dropped in 2015 New York would be completely shocked at how traditional, conservative values have been discarded. No way he thinks the country has moved to the right.
The racial wealth gap is actually exacerbated by the move of the country to the left (as I noted in my last comment) and resulting growing inequality (destruction of black families through single motherhood and divorce, while wealthy whites have one kid and pass along all their wealth). That was a major point of my comment. Raising tax rates wouldn’t change this fundamental dynamic. Increasing welfare hasn’t made blacks or Hispanics rich… No way it was easier for a black to vote in the South in 1970 than now. As for “resegration”, wealthy white liberals do not want THEIR kids in a school where whites aren’t a majority. This isn’t due to evil Republican schemes at all. Increasing “diversity”, will mean increasing efforts to segregate, though these take the form of moving to a “good neighborhood, with a nice school district”.. Don’t be fooled. Our country is on a path towards greater inequality and racial conflict… Your man in the white house is leading the charge, no matter what he says.
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LOM:
That’s leftist media indoctrination for you. The real problem in America is white on black violence. Official statistics say otherwise, but no doubt they are just evil and racist:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/06/24/the-real-guerrilla-race-war-that-the-media-covers-up/
Yes, media overall is well to the left of the citizenry, but the real problem is the “conservative media”… I see. These are not the droids you are looking for…
Reagan lowered tax rates for the richest, but overall tax collected has increased dramatically since 1970 (the rich had tons of loopholes to avoid super high rates), and the size of the government has exploded. This is not “conservative” in any meaningful sense of the word…
In any case, I don’t think blacks were more privileged somehow in 1970 than now (though they didn’t have their families completely blown up by leftist policies yet, it’s true), but even if they were, that’s not the sum total of what most Americans would consider to be liberal vs. conservative.
The argument that the US as a whole was more liberal as a whole in 1970 than in 2015 is laughable. Obama’s platform, and even his candidacy, would have been impossible in that political climate. Even Obama has flip flopped to the left in the last few years to support State mandated gay marriage.
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By the way, Kiwi, I am not defending jefe, but his reading comp. skills are a lot better than yours, and not just on this one post.
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@Biff
So you post a site steaming with racist to prove your point? ROFL
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Fox News infuriates me so much. They always have it on in the lobby and breakroom at work. I only see it in passing as I have no time for chilling at work but I think I will make it my mission to change the channel to MSNBC everyday.
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http://wapiti.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8343dba6753ef0133f5564532970b-320wi
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Honestly, I believe that the newscasters and reporters on Fox News promote racial animousity and fear of African Americans and other minorities as well as gays, immigrants and anyone that doesn’t fit into the White, Christian, upper to middle class, heterosexual paradox. And many of the viewers who tune into this travesty also look down on minorities particularly African Americans, gays and others who aren’t White, Christian and heterosexual like themselves. And from such programming and viewing being very popular among a segment of Americans, one must wonder why there is so much racial and class division in our society.
I am not entirely blaming the racism and classism on the Republican, rightwing segment of society. However I believe this segment is partially to blame for the racial and class division due to the way the newscasters and reporters on Fox News create this belief that Blacks, other minorities, immigrants, gays etc are taking over the country and are taking away their rights. And the people who tune into Fox News believe this and eat it up.
Since many of their viewers believe this, many of them act out on these beliefs by voting for Republican politicians who will enact legislations and policies that will favor White, Christians from upper class backgrounds and put African Americans, minorities, gays etc at a disadvantage. Or they will raise their children not to hang around minorities, gays or people of low income background. Or they would protest against marriage equality and any policy that is for bettering the plight of the marginalized and oppressed in society.
Again, I know not all Republicans believe or think this way. There are some Republicans and those who tune into Fox News who aren’t racist but let’s face it, far too many of them are. And I believe that Fox News plays a role in helping to spread racial animousity and intolerance for African Americans, gay people, Hispanics, immigrants, those of low income background, single mothers and anyone who doesn’t fit into the upper to middle class background, Christian, heterosexual, White and cisgender.
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http://crooksandliars.com/files/mediaposters/2013/08/27843.jpg?ts=1396411074
It’s very ironic how Bill O’Reilly talks ill about the hip hop music industry when the same network that employs him is bringing in tons of revenue from its hit television show called ‘Empire’. Does O’Reilly know that Empire is a “Dynasty” set in the hip hop world. Empire has broken Nielson records as the first series since at least 1991 to build its audience in every episode. Rather one sees it as exploitation or not, Fox is $loving$ their hit television show ‘Empire’. O’Reilly doesn’t want to accept the fact that the problem isn’t hip hop music, the problem is White-owned corporations that have the power to control and manipulate our society. Obviously, Bill O’Reilly is a major critic of hip hop music and he’s entitled to that right. However, O’Reilly wouldn’t be critical of hip hop music if rappers weren’t influencing White suburban kids and/or signed by major corporations. Interstingly, it’s the music industry, which is another White-controlled industry, that gives rappers a platform – a platform that many rappers don’t use or can’t handle. Nowadays, rap music can be heard on major radio stations and inside sports arenas and stadiums. One has to have power to allow what many White Americans call “thug music” to be played inside arenas and stadiums that are NOT built, owned or managed by Black rappers or Black people in general. Bill O’Reilly should have studied the history of rap music before criticizing it.
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@ Biff
Your rheotrical comments – WOOF, WOOF!! – are extremely amusing.
Malcolm X had a parable and it went like this: “If you throw a brick at a pack of dogs, the dog that barks the loudest is the one that got hit.”
Truth hurts – not literal, like getting hit.
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So I’m left in the familiar position of having people mostly not address my underlying statements and instead getting a lot of ad hominems and non sequiturs (ht to Michael Cooper, WOOF, WOOF to you too!) thrown at me. Also, disqualify the source because Heartiste = Stormfront, even though it’s a site that never cites SF, never says hail H*tler or the N word. If you can disqualify the source, you don’t need to address the underlying arguments, or in this case the government’s racist statistics.
So, yeah, made my point about the media overall being well to the left of the country and the country moving steadily leftward (see, also e.g., 2 recent Supreme Court cases on Obamacare and gay marriage, which it has been discovered is enshrined in the holy Constitution, though the forefathers forgot they put it there…) and that’s really what I wanted to say…
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@biff
It does not need to be as stormfront to be racist. The article you posted quotes a known racist who frequently plays loosely with numbers to draw the conclusion that white on black violence is out of control when in reality that is not the case. Let us not also look at commenters on said site who use feral to refer to black men.
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Furthermore it is not the statistics that are racist. It is people who use them in a manner to instill a false sense of fear and hate.
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@ Biff
Both left (Democrats, CNN, MSNBC, etc.) and right (Republicans, Fox, Tea Party, etc.)-winged parties are from the same damn bird – the Bird of White supremacy.
As Malcolm X said the Conservatives are the wolf and the Liberals are the fox. The wolf goes straight for the kill, whereas the fox will deceitfully play with its prey before killing it.
Biff, if you’re concerned about the current issues of our nation then help us eradicate White supremacy? Can you help?
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sharina said: “a known racist who frequently plays loosely with numbers to draw the conclusion that white on black violence is out of control when in reality that is not the case.” How dare you slander abagond that way!!!
Mike Coop said: “if you’re concerned about the current issues of our nation then help us eradicate White supremacy? Can you help?” Can you help us eradicate black criminality and much lower tested (on average) IQ scores? Can you help?
Kiwi said: “The Founding Fathers also forgot they had put interracial marriage in the Constitution”. You’re right. That’s why Pocahantas and her hubby were burned at the stake, as was any man who married a woman with non-white blood, because the Constitution said it was forbidden.
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“As Malcolm X said the Conservatives are the wolf and the Liberals are the fox. The wolf goes straight for the kill, whereas the fox will deceitfully play with its prey before killing it. ”
You will always, no matter what, still support the fox, the mortal enemy of the wolf, despite its deceitfulness and destruction of society. Why should the wolf show you any mercy?
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The wolf cares for the good of the pack, including the future of its offspring (why married people with kids overwhelmingly vote Republican). The fox just cares for itself in the present and doesn’t think about the future (why young people and single people overwhelmingly vote Democrat–individualism over the big picture good of society–go transsexuals!).
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@ biff
I never understand why Whites want to eradicate Black criminality. I would think that most people realize that criminality cannot be totally eradicated. But even if that was the goal, why wouldn’t the goal be to eradicate ALL criminality?
I’m all for education and higher test scores.
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@biff
“How dare you slander abagond that way!!!”—-I am sure you wish. At any rate Derbyshire does that constantly with crime stats. He presents them, but then dishonestly comes to a conclusion that blacks are killing whites at a disproportionate rate when that is not true. I guess he figures most of his audience won’t check the numbers (or are not smart enough to) and from what I have read many don’t, so they go on believing him because it is what they want to. I read an interesting article from a guy who followed Derbyshire religiously until he read something by him that prompted him to actually check the numbers.
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@King
Oh king you know whites don’t commit crime. Just mistakes they should be forgiven for.
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HAHA, Sharinalr, You mean like that guys who mistakenly murdered people and then broke out of prison and were stalking the through the woods of upstate New York? Those kind of “mistakes???”
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Honestly, I can’t quite figure it out whether racists actually know that what they are saying doesn’t make sense, but they feel that the ends justifies the means… Or whether they can truly be so blind so as to actually believe their own propaganda (which would be truly remarkable.)
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To Kiwi:
The Founding Fathers also forgot they had put interracial marriage in the Constitution, but I know you’re not interested in pointing that out.
FWIW, the US constitution does not mention marriage – laws varied on a state by state basis until 1967 for interracial marriage and this year for gay marriage.
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@Biff
From reading your responses, I believe that you are most likely a Conservative and a Republican. And you most likely also watch Fox News as well. However I am wondering why are you on this site if you believe African Americans and other minorities, gays and transsexuals to be inferior to White, Christian, heterosexual, middle class men like yourself?
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I truly believe that Fox News is plays a role in in promoting racial animosity and fear of minorities, gays and those of lower income background into the minds and hearts of their viewers. Most of their viewers are older, White, Christian, heterosexual and middle to upper class men(or women) who believe that minorities and gays are taking over the country. I read somewhere that the average age for a Fox News viewer is sixty eight. Not shocking. Many of these people are getting scared because they fear the population of the country growing browner and more diverse and fear gays getting legal rights under the Constitution because they losing economic, social and political power and privileges. Thus they cling to racial paranoia and slogans such as ”Taking back my country” to sooth their fears of a racially diverse country where equality for everyone is promoted and a reality.
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Angela/Adeen:
Thank you for your respectful tone. It means a lot to me. Happy to try to respond. I am conservative, but not registered for either party. Haven’t voted in a decade or more. I don’t watch Fox News. I don’t read it’s website either. It seems kind of amateurish to me. I don’t like the political bent, but I would be more likely to use CNN or MSN. Also, the term middle class has become pretty meaningless if ivy league grads can all squeeze in (though I’m not 1% or anything).
I don’t think black people are “inferior” just because on average they have lower IQs. I don’t think Jewish people are “superior” because of their higher IQs on average. However, it’s silly to pretent blacks and whites are exactly the same. I’m sure most people here have seen that facebook linked video where a black couple is randomly put on the air at a gas pump and they bust out a couple of incredible songs (starting with living on a prayer). Just the way that was carried out, I can’t imagine a white couple being able to do that in terms of the rhythm and spontaneity (I say that as someone who spent the afternoon in a karaoke room with an actual professional actress in musicals who was saying I was better than the original singer for one song—hyperbole, yes, but not by much—and I couldn’t do that.). Also, individuals are different. There are plenty of highly intelligent blacks who don’t exhibit any stereotyped negative traits of blacks.
abagond deals with topics that are very interesting to me. He doesn’t automatically ban people who disagree with him, though those people often wind up getting banned.. he at least does have a system of rules about that. Do you only read websites and listen to news broadcasts from sources you totally agree with? Wouldn’t that make you as bad as the people in the “Republican Bubble” created by Fox News?
Please read my initial response as to how leftism is making the country more stratified and increasing inequality. This is really happening, so it’s not paranoia. If you were right and the problem is really 68 year old white men watching Fox news, then you’d just have to wait another decade or two and the problem would be solved as they’d all just die out…. but somehow you know things are actually getting worse, despite the iphone upgrades..
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The real question biff, is why?
Why have you been for so long carrying on about Black crime statistics and test scores. I mean, they hardly can effect you. It seems disingenuous to keep up this charade of concern… especially over things that have been clearly debunked time and time again.
It is time you turned a new leaf and became an HONEST man, repenting of your years of internet folly and waste.
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@King
I think they truly believe what they say. Even if you present evidence to the contrary or show them where they are wrong and how they will still circle around to the same conclusion they had before. They do not and can not see it any other way.
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@angelaroselle
I agree. Fear is a major driving force in all of this. Most of their viewers would not know the truth if it slapped them in the face. Then again I am not one to look at the news either way.
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Please check my observations, sharinalr.
This is what biff does:
First, he likes to talk about “Black crime” stats a LOT. He has been beating this drum on this site (and probably others) for years. The way he talks about it, you would think that it was a constantly worsening epidemic. Yet, in my own research, I have found that universally, violent crimes across the U.S. have been on the decrease since the mid 1970s. Every chart that I have seen shows this to be true, and these are not figures from the “Black Press” or even all from liberal publications.
Does it strike you as strange that biff never seems to mention any of this, with all his caterwauling and squawking about “Black crime?”
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^Sorry, looks like I lost the link somehow.
(http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/familyfacts/charts-web/833-FF-chart.jpg)
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This is what biff does:
There are a plethora of crime stats out there, but lets take rape for example. Since it was so recent sited as the reason by mass murder Dylan Roof as the reason why he shot up a prayer meeting full of mostly middle-aged Black women, it’s a current topic.
When you look at rape, the large MAJORITY of all rapes always come from people that the victim knows. A remarkable number comes from people victim knows quite well. The idea that Black men, in large numbers are jumping out of bushes and indiscriminately raping White women is false… completely false. Most White women are raped by White men (who they know.)
Yet, this idea that Black crimes, like rape, are constantly plaguing biiftown is yet another wrongheaded idea, completely unsupported by the available data.
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@King: That is a nice pie chart. LOL
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Fox News is a pariah.
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Well maybe not a pariah that is the wrong word but Faux News is lame.
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@Abagond please delete my first post about Fox news being a pariah because that is an incorrect statement. Fox News has many imbecile sheep followers.
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Bill O’Reilley and his ilk are deplorable as well along with those clowns Stacy Dash and Juan Williams.
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What biff does:
And lastly, biff likes to do a little statistical trick that most racists CONSTANTLY use. Its really a bit of diversionary mathematics.
What if I told you that your kid’s high school had a terrible problem!!? You see, some of the student’s have been found to be using drugs, and of those problem students, 80% of them are BLACK!!! (Cue dramatic music!)
But some vital information is missing (or has been intentionally been left out.)
When we really examine it, we realize that only selective numbers have been revealed. Let’s ask a few important questions:
Q How many problem students are there?
A 20 students
Q What is the total student population of the high school?
A 2000 students
Q What is the Black student population?
A 800 students
So now we have better information from which to draw a more complete picture.
– With a student population of 2000 having 20 kids with a drug problem is actually rather low. In fact it calculated to only 1% of the student population.
– If there are 800 Black students and 16 of them are caught using drugs, again that is actually a very small percent of them. In fact it calculated to only 2% of the Black student population.
So, what does that tell you?
The original focus tried to overlook the fact that the VAST MAJORITY of students have NOT been known to use drugs. It also ignores the fact that by far, MOST Black students (98%) don’t use drugs.
Instead, the original focus was to go into the small number of kids that do use drugs and try to point at racial percentage differences within that small number in order to cast aspersions on the majority of Black kids who don’t use drugs.
Similarly, in the real world, statistically, Blacks in prison represent less than 5% of the Black population. So instead of focusing on the 95% of Blacks who aren’t criminals, racist want to cut into the relatively small percentage of people who are criminals and point out within that group, that a larger percentage is Black. FORGET THE FACT THAT IT’S ACTUALLY A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE BLACK U.S. POPULATION.
You see how that really works, and why biff is a tremendous fraud?
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@ Kiwi
Not only that, but his misplaced anger about crime is more than ridiculous.
There reality is that by a vast majority, most Black people are not criminals. in fact, a very small fraction are. Yet because our small fraction is bigger than his small fraction, he takes to lecturing the 95% that aren’t criminals about 5% that are!
This is the REAL picture of Black crime – Blue is non-criminals:
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Good point Kiwi. Haha
And as I recall the statistics teacher also used to say that the accuracy of every statistic relies upon TRULY random sampling. That is, in fact, the hardest part about statistics. So often you don’t realize that there is a bias in your sample, and of course, that skews the whole outcome to be incorrect.
There is no credible genetics who thinks that IQ is controlled by “race.” In fact, as far as they are concerned, there are not different “races” genetically speaking.
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The suspected White supremacist Biff says: “Can you help us eradicate black criminality and much lowered test (on average) IQ scores? Can you help?”
Hmmm…”Black criminality”. I ask White supremacists and suspected White supremacists – What’s the definition of “black criminality”? I always get the same White supremacist-quotes: “Blacks who are career criminals.”
Any intelligent person knows that there’s a lot of crimes in America. The reality is that Black people commit a few of the many crimes that exist in America. The few crimes (petty or non-petty thefts and street drug-selling) that Blacks commit NEVER miss news pundits, like Fox’s, but when it’s the many crimes (currency scheme, inside trading, sercurities fraud, public corruption, cyber crimes, etc.) that Whites commit these same news pundits miss them all or MOST of the time. What’s up with that?
Biff, here’s a list of federal crimes – you (or anyone) can be the judge of what’s a “black” or “white” crime:
1. Bank Fraud Crimes – To engage an act or pattern of activity where the puropose is to defraud a bank of funds.
2. Bribery Crimes – When money, goods, services, information or anything else of value with intent to influence the actions, opinions, or decisions of the taker.
3. Computer Fraud & Hacking Crimes – Where computer hackers steal information sources contained such as bank information, credit cards, and proprietary information.
4. Counterfeiting Crimes – Occurs when someone copies or imitates an item without having been authorized to do so and passes the cpy off for the genuine or original item.
5. Credit Card Fraud Crimes – The unauthorized use of a credit card to obtain goods of value.
6. Currency Schemes Crimes – The practice of speculating on the future value of currencies.
7. Embezzlement Crimes – When a person who has been entrusted with money or property appropriates it for his or her own use and benefit.
8. Environment Schemes Crimes – The overbilling and fraudulent practices exercised by corporations which purport to clean up the environment.
9. Extortion Crimes – When one person illegally obtains property from another by actual or threatened force, fear, or violence, or undercover of official right.
10. Forgery Crimes – When a person passes a false or worthless instrument such as a check or counterfeit security with the intent to defraud or injure the recepient.
11. Health Care/ Medicare Fraud Crimes – Where an unlicensed healthcare provider provides services under the guise of being licensed and obtains monetary benefit for the service.
12. Inside Trader Crimes – When a person uses inside, confidential, or advance information to trade in shares of publicly held corporations.
13. Insurance Fraud Crimes – To engage in an act or pattern of activity wherein one obtains proceeds from an insurance company through deception.
14. Investment Schemes Crimes – Where an unsuspecting victim is contracted by the actor who promises to provide a large return on a small investment.
15. Kickback Crimes – When a person who sells an item pays back a portion of the purchase price to the buyer.
16. Larceny/Theft Crimes – When a person wrongfully takes another person’s money or property with the intent to convert or steal it.
17. Money Laundering Crimes – The investment or tranfer of money from racketeering, drug, transactions or other embezzlement schemes so that it appears that its original source either cannot be traced or is legitimate.
18. Racketeering Crimes – The operation of an illegal business for person profit.
19. Securities Fraud Crimes – The act of artificially inflating the price of stocks by brokers so that buyers can purchase a stock on the rise.
20. Tax Evasion Crimes – When a person commits fraud in filing or paying taxes.
21. Counterintelligence Crimes – Include national security threats and economic espionage.
22. Computer Crimes – Include access device fraud, computer fraud, injuring or damaging communication systems operated or controlled by the United States or intended for use by military or civil defense functons fro the United States, interception of communications (wire, oral or electronic), unauthorized access to store communications and disclosure of the contents of communications and custom records.
23. Crimes Against Children – Include child abduction, domestic and international parental kidnappings, sexual exploitation of children, interstate transportation of obscene material, online child pornography, physical/sexual abuse of a child on a governmental reservation, National Sex Offender Registry matters and violations of the Child Support Recovery Act.
24. Crimes Against Humanity – Certain acts which are committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian popluation, with knowledge of the attack: murder, enslavement, or extermination.
25. Cyber Crimes – Include criminal spam, phishing, spoofed or hijact accounts, international re-shipping schemes, Cyber-extortion, auction fraud, credit card fraud, Intellectual Property Rights (IPR), Computer Intrusions (hacking), economic espionage (theft or trade secrets), international money laundering, identity theft, pirating (software, music and movies), online child pornography and child exploitation and obscenity.
26. Federal Civil Rights Violations – Include hate crimes, Color of Law/Police Misconduct, Involuntary Servitude/Slavery (ISS) and Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrance (FACE).
27. Gun Crimes – Include possession of a firearm by a convicted felon, possession by an undocumented immigrant, and “unlicensed” possession of a firearm that requires a license.
28. Immigration Crimes – Include illegal re-entry, smuggling undocumented immigrants, harboring undocumented immigrants and immigration fraud.
29. Import and Export Crimes – Include smuggling goods Into the United States, entry of goods by means of false statements, importation or exportation of stolen property, failure to declare imported goods to customs, aiding unlawful importation and exportation of arms or munitions of war.
30. Major Thefts – Include stealing art, jewelry and gems.
31. Organized Crime – Includes Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizatons Act (RICO), drug trafficking (drug cartel or drug kingpin) and crimes involving well-entrenched organizations.
32. Public Corruption Crimes – Involve law enforcement officers accepting money to protect or facilitate drug-trafficking and organized criminal activity.
33. Tax Crimes – Include tax evasion, tax fraud, and public corruption tax crimes.
34. Violent Crimes – Include child abduction or mysterious disappearance of children, serial murders, mass murders, single homicides, serial rapes, extortions, terrorist threats, kidnapping, product tampering, arsons and bombings, weapon of mass destruction, public corruption, and domestic and international terrorism.
35. White Collar Crimes – Include antitrust, bankruptcy fraud, environmental crime, financial institution fraud, governmental fraud, healthcare fraud, Internet computer crime, insurance fraud, money laundering, securities and commodities fraud and telemarketing fraud.
Hmmm…Black IQ scores. Biff, haven’t you read: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/black-iq/ or do I have to give you an update on the White-invented IQ test?
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@ Kiwi
Good breakdown.
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… So when I try to respond to questions, I get pulled into these 3 or 4 on 1s… and I respond for a while, but when I feel like I’m just rehashing stuff I’ve said before and exit, Kiwi will declare victory and call me a hypocrite.You can’t let someone get the last word, unless you are willing to let them insult you, and Kiwi always insults me and will always have the last word.
Kiwi, there are significant differences between gay marriage and interracial marriage. The latter can naturally produce kids, while the former can’t. The former is prohibited by most major world religions The latter is not. The Bible specifically has a lot to say about homosexuality, but nothing really negative to say about interracial marriage (and there are plenty of examples, e.g., Moses) of Men of God taking foreign brides (though followers of God are supposed to marry other followers of God). That said, I don’t think the Constitution says anything about marriage, and I think States should also have the right to regulate interracial marriage if their democratically elected officials choose to do so. It’s not for 9 unelected people on the Supreme Court to decide.
So, I don’t care about the crime stats in a vacuum. Yes, overall crimes have been going down. The US still has hollowed out, no-go areas, in most major cities that don’t really exist in say Asia, because of black people and white flight.. but still, it’s a manageable issue for most whites.
The main issue that concerns me is that hispanics, and to a lesser extent, blacks are becoming a bigger and bigger portion of the population, while whites will become a minority and then a shrinking minority. Though most blacks and hispanics are not criminals, lower IQ lead to worse results on average across a spectrum of outcomes.
We’ll become more like Mexico or Brazil: more stratification, less social justice. Eventually, crime will go back up, as it already is in New York post stop and frisk, but that is only part of the picture. Whites at the top will be OK, but it will make the country as a whole a less desirable place to live, even for POC. You guys can see that things in the country are getting worse for most people and that inequality is increasing, but you can’t seem to put the pieces together….
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@Biff
I am not affiliated with any political power but I do lend more towards Liberal in my views. I have watched both Fox News and MSNBC and I don’t necessarily agree with many of the views spouted on those networks. I have read many sites and blogs whose views I don’t agree with as well as sites and blogs that I do agree with. But many of your comments on here reminds me of the comments I have read Republicans write on rightwing centered blogs. So I am open to views that are different from mine.
And I also go by research on my views as well. These links confirms that the average age of Fox News viewer is age 68, Caucasian American and Conservative.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2550377/The-average-age-Fox-Viewers-68-majority-politically-conservative-white.html
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/05/may-cable-news-ratings-spare-no-one-189393.html
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/01/half-of-fox-news-viewers-are-68-and-older/283385/
”Wouldn’t that make you as bad as the people in the “Republican Bubble”
created by Fox News?”
No, because I did not a create a network where I allow newscasters and reporters to create unnecessary fear and paranoia into the minds and hearts of their viewers. I don’t have that kind of power.
As for America becoming like Mexico and Brazil, I agree with you on this regard. Things are getting worse and worse especially when it comes to racial relations, growing economic gap between the rich and the poor, lack of health care coverage for many people, culture wars, obesity rising etc. Overall, America is deteriorating economically, socially and politically.
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Kiwi:
There are other ways forward. Stop tacitly encouraging out of wedlock births from people of all races. Stop encouraging divorce. Celebrate and encourage traditional marriage and more traditional gender roles. Encourage highly intelligent people to have more offspring. Stop condoning illegal immigration. These measures would actually have a disproportionate benefit on the black community, and they are just common sense.
Suggesting that I’m implying we need to restart slavery is just ridiculous and a way to dodge the fact that my big picture prediction for the country is dead on.
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yay crime stats again
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WHITE CRIMINALITY that’s often ignored by news networks, like Fox News:
http://popularinfographics.com/gmos/ (article)
http://www.doyourpart.com/eco-news/group-of-chemists-call-for-less-toxic-safer-chemicals/ (article)
http://www.nationofchange.org/neurologist-warns-neurodegenerative-disease-surge-due-chemtrail-spraying-1378712902 (article)
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@ Biff
I’m quite sure some Native American person in the 17th century said similar things that you saying today – e.g., illegal immigration invasion and criminality.
Karma is a motherf*%#er, ain’t it?
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i been up hundreds of telephone poles, that girl can climb!!!! wow
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2015/6/27/this_flag_comes_down_today_bree
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@Pumpkin
What would that accomplish? Taking down the flag would only be a superficial concession. Taking it down wouldn’t improve our general material conditions. What’s more Dylan Roof was a murderer, but he was not an agent of the state. S.C. isn’t responsible for what he did.
Frankly, I am leery of the media’s attempts to have us fixate on Roof, S.C., and the Confederate Battle Flag.
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Pumpkin said: “Abagond is a graduate from an Ivy League and is very intelligent are you implying that he’s not intelligent because of some stereotype”… I’ve never implied anything of the sort. I know there are many smart people of color here, including abagond. There are also plenty of smart white people who believe most of the things abagond does. I’m just trying to present a different view point.
“and does your wife know that you post this kind of stuff on the internet?”
Please, you’re not my mom. Off topic shaming language. For the record, my wife is probably still not 100% comfortable with the fact that one of my best friends here is black, but I’m making progress with her…
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Pumpkin, your question, though it is related to Kiwi’s perennial favorite topic, doesn’t really have anything to do with abagond’s post.
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Oh biff, are you still here?
Since you are such an expert on genetics and DNA, please tell me, what are your thoughts on Epigenetics as they apply to your deterministic views of heredity IQ???
Of course… you are quite right to ignore my questions… Because you know well within what coils I will squeeze you, and with what sharp fangs I will gnaw at thee, like some relentless and bedeviled Asp!
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Kiwi hit it on the nail. It’s true, most Asian/Asian-American women who have White husbands support their hubby’s White supremacist viewpoints. Biff is a wise fella. He knows if his wife reads his antagonistic comments she would hold a sign like this Asian-American activist:
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@ Biff
Share this information to your significant other:
http://randleusfederman.weebly.com/asians.html
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@ Pumpkin
You got an excellent point – what does Biff’s comments about Black people’s IQ have to do with this post? It has NOTHING to do with this post but everything to do with a White person’s White supremacy mindset. But, then again, maybe Biff is telling us in a code way that Fox News representatives think no different than him.
Btw, if you or anyone noticed I listed every crime in America and Biff still hasn’t given me a reply on what ethnic group is known to commit these crimes. He’s dodging me like the other White or suspected White supremacists.
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Biff, you actually came back after the intellectual azz whooping you got on the “Willfully Obtuse” thread? Well, I guess every team that gets blown out always has another game but think of it this way; if Blacks have lower IQ’s than Whites & you lost a debate to us darkies then what does that say about you?
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Biff: “Ramble ramble ramble using questionable logic to make a point that’s off topic”.
Commenter A: “But Biff why is this xyz then”?
Commenter B: “Yeah, what’s up with that? Explain yourself”.
Biff: “You’re off topic”.
LOL! Oh Biff, never change.
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@ Gen
I feel yah!
Most White supremacists will NEVER change.
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#Fox News So Racist
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Fox News pundits and the rest of those who fly the White supremacy banner are TOO AFRAID of the fact that America will pretty soon become a dominant Brown society:
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This came on my Google+ page “Fox News makes you stupid enough to vote Republican.”
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The consumers of Fox News believe without argument that the divisive opinions and hate filled perspectives are factual. They don’t even check their facts.
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I know – Fox News would find it VERY difficult for the future ethnic-Brown majority to be successful professionals, like biologists and chemists:
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Fox News is science fiction
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The dog whistles of racusm is what Hitler used. Thise who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
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Update (2019): Fox News now is just straight-up propaganda in the service of Donald Trump, the current US president. It swung behind Trump in March 2016, when he was running for president. Roger Ailes was forced out four months later. It has since descended into painful self-parody. There are maybe only two people left who have any respect for the truth or critical thinking – Mike Wallace and Shepard Smith. It flat-out lied about the Mueller Report, which means it assumes/knows its audience does not read.
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It has been interesting to read the comments sections of Fox News during the 2020 election as more and more, I guess pundits is the word, start to distance themselves from Trump’s struggle to remain in office. While I do still believe there’s a small potential for him to “win” because the law is a quirky thing… the absurdity of the claims continues to increase to the point where even people like Tucker Carlson and Rush Limbaugh (not Fox, I know) have made statements to give themselves some wiggle room. I have no idea how many “Biffs” that influences, but the diehards that comment are the kind of people flocking to more niche outlets like NewsMax (touting 3M app downloads this month) in order to protect their bubble. If you’ve ever played Fortnite you’ll appreciate that I see them as players abandoning old forts and racing to build new ones as the bubble of safety continues closing in around them. The last true believer standing may be a winner in their mind, but in the end, they were being played by a game so that others could profit in real life.
It will be interesting to see if those consumers go back to Fox or if the future is more extreme niche media that makes Fox News look like “mainstream”.
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So the Trumpers are turning on Fox News and going to Parler. And Parler got hacked.
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I don’t think Parler actually got hacked.. not in a technical way anyway.. socially they got hacked by Twitter not fact checking tweets with the #ParlerHacked hastag.
Yeah, Parler is another example of chasing the shrinking bubble. The problem is they’re fleeing Facebook and Twitter which will turn them into left-wing echo chambers by their absence. I miss seeing birthdays and memes of kittens.
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@ Open Minded Observer
Here you go:
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^^^^^ LOL ^^^^^
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