The knockout game (by 1990), also called polar-bearing or the one-hitter-quitter, is where you try to knock out an innocent, unsuspecting bystander by striking them with a single blow. It is done on a dare, for amusement, to show how tough you are. It goes back at least to the 1980s.
Some on the right, since at least 2011, have been saying it is a trend among Black American youths, that the liberal media has been “silent” because it is black-on-white.
The liberal media picked it up in 2013 after a string of hate crimes in New York in November.
Thomas Sowell says it is done by “young blacks” on “either whites in general or people of Asian ancestry.”
On Fox News, Greta Van Susteren said the game is, “regrettably popular amongst unsupervised African-American teens.”
So far there is no evidence (as of November 25th 2013) that it is:
- something new,
- spreading,
- racially motivated,
- mostly black youths attacking whites.
For example, Thomas Sowell uses a book that only looks at black-on-white-or-people-of-Asian-ancestry crime (“White Girls Bleed a Lot” (2012) by Colin Flaherty).
The police in cities where there have been reports of knockout games say that so far it appears to be an urban myth, that the attacks in question might be nothing more than the sort of random assaults that always go on.
Most criminologists and youth experts agree that unprovoked attacks on strangers by teenagers are real but extremely rare.
Mike Males, a research fellow at the non-profit Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice, said in 2011 that, “This knockout-game legend is a fake trend,” that the press has a habit of cherry-picking instances to create sensational stories that demonize youth.
Chauncey DeVega calls it a moral panic, a scare fed by press reports and rumour.
The press has been playing on white racist fears and stereotypes. You would never know that black youth crime is at a 50-year low. Or that assault by black youths has dropped by 59% over the past 20 years.
The idea of “roving black youths” randomly attacking innocent white people is not new. In 1989 the New York press called it “wilding” and said it was the favourite pastime of the “wolfpack” of black and Latino youths that attacked the Central Park Jogger. All. Made. Up.
Notice what is not a trend:
- White bullies: White youths beat up gays, Latinos and others all the time. Not a trend.
- White hate crimes: There are way more white-on-black hate crimes than black-on-white ones. Not a trend.
- White shooters: The Batman shooter in 2012 and the Sikh Temple shooter weeks later – not a trend. Even when Adam Lanza months later gunned down 20 schoolchildren in Newtown, Connecticut – still not a trend.
Because it will never be a trend. Because White American men are never seen as the Threatening Other, as a danger to the social order – because they are the social order (est. 1607).
Dispiriting: Seeing Al Sharpton and Jasmyne Cannick having to condemn knockout games because white people will otherwise assume they are for it.
Sources: AP, Patheos, John H. Tucker, New York Times, YouthFACTS.org, Chauncey DeVega, Slate, Mediaite, Front Page Mag, American Thinker, Thomas Sowell, Snopes, Think Progress, New York Post and “The Central Park Five” (2011) by Sarah Burns.
See also:
- Christopher Lane – yet more right-wing fear mongering
- confirmation bias
- The black brute stereotype
- The white racist guide to black pathologies
- racial profiling
- white shooters
- James Holmes – Batman shooter
- Wade Michael Page – Sikh Temple shooter
- Top ten school shooters in the world
- How the American social order came to be
I think that whites do not consider it a trend because of how they view themselves with respect to other races. This type of viewpoint is observed when whites talk about movies with an all white cast and movies with an all black cast. For example, the movie ‘The Master’ is not considered a racially themed movie whereas ‘The Best Man Holiday’ is classified as such. The Master has a all white cast.
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I can tell you that the game knockout is very real. I’m an 18 year old black male and I admit to playing the game when I was younger. From about 14 to 16, looking back on it I’m ashamed of it deeply. I will say though that it was never a race thing when me and my boys played it. Didn’t matter if you were black,white,Asian, etc. The only thing that was off limits were kids and women.
I blame the game really on the culture of rap and what not. Knockout was a way for us to feel tough and try to fit in with are scenery, which is/was the hood.
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From what I have researched, this propaganda piece is TOTAL BS.
White men are looking for a gateway to exercise their racial hate. And they understand at some point, one way or another, they will pay for their collective crimes (karma) (notice I did NOT call for violence), and this unnatural socio-economic inequality that stems from their savage acts cannot last.
And the idea that black male youths are going around randomly assaulting whites & Asian for fun & on camera just doesn’t make any sense.
IF BLACK YOUTHS go on some rampage, the first people who will be victims are black men & women.
Same with whites youths attacking their own as well.
See you soon @Da Jokah, I know your kind is after an orgasmic release after seeing this all over the news.
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The game is real. But the notion that it is a black game is false. The notion that it is a racial game is equally false. I know first hand..
When I lived Boston, which is a pretty racially diverse city…it was played. But not solely by blacks. It was actually more popular amongst hispanic teens.
In the same state, over in Fall River, MA its predominantly a Portuguese populace.. knockout was played there. By white Portuguese teens and south east Asian. The irony is, in fall River you will catch groups of all white teens, where as Boston, you won’t see many racially uniform groups of teens. The game is still played.
So to try and point blame on one particular race as the inventors and chief participants would be ridiculous to ANYBODY of Any race, who has ever lived in any inner city. In fact, the only white people (and I single out whites because they seem to be the main group bringing this game up) claiming its a race thing, have never actually seen it happen and get their info solely from the internet or recent media coverage
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@Slim u are a fucking liar, as soon as u said u blamed it on rap I knew u were a white troll, aint nothing hood about playing a damn knockout game hood folks or black folks dont do that, it sounds like something Stev O and his Jackass friends would do. But I’ll tell u what blacks love to copy white America to fit in especially the MTV and Jackass generation of hipsters.
@mussandrad U are absolutely correct
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@slim
You lost me on a couple of points. Your “rap” and “hood” arguments are not based on fact.
While I’ll be the the first to point out and demonize the many agenda at work in the music industry particularly in the hip hop genre, that manipulate and sway our youth into a certain behavior and way of thinking. None of these agenda involve the senseless knocking out of innocent victims
Your “hood” point is not working either. You may live in the hood, but that doesn’t make it a hood thing. I’ll give you the fitting in part, but not the “hood”.
How do you explain the teens who live in the suburbs of Medford Massachusetts? That’s far from the hood, yet knockout is played here.
I await your expeditious reply
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@Craig (@Executnr)
” But I’ll tell u what blacks love to copy white America to fit in especially the MTV and Jackass generation of hipsters.”—Exactly. I am waiting on the brave soul who will dig and find the root of where this began and see if Americans are going to find a way to deal with their problems or if they are going to make it a black problem that blacks need to deal with (not that they haven’t already)
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@mussandrad
Well said. One news report I saw (and need to post it) was showing the arrest of a white male in the knockout games. So it amazes me that people are still saying it is a black thing. I guess they are trying to rationalize by saying the dude was light skinned.
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I have to ask how many incidents are actually found. I have only seen two via tv. Unless they are peddling the same crime more than once then….
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@Abagond,
I know you are quoting here, but i guess as the usual narrative goes–the only white people who are capable of violence and malice towards people of color are those who are men??
Right?
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Great post!
This kind of false (and racist) reporting legitimizes the “Stand Your Ground” and “Concealed Carry” laws that were created mainly to allow (and to encourage) the slaughter of unarmed black people.
This black scapegoating was designed to give outraged, angry, frightened and economically challenged white America a TARGET to vent their rage upon.
It’s called BLACK SCAPEGOATING — just another form of ANTI-BLACKNESS and racism/white supremacy
So, now that black youth (and black adults) are “unsupervised” (aka wild n**gers attacking good, innocent white people), now they can push their REAL agenda of the white elites here–which is to disenfranchise, unemploy, incarcerate, and kill off) as many blacks as possible.
It’s the same reason President Obama was (S)ELECTED by the white elites. To give White America a TARGET to vent their rage and place the blame for what white people (behind the scenes) are really doing to them.
Because once you “prove” that a population (like ours) is more trouble than it’s worth, you can justify anything AND everything that you do to them, It’s the SAME strategy that was used by Hitler to JUSTIFY killing non-white (which includes Semite) people by painting them as a “problem.”
And we have seen this black scapegoating play out in the MURDERS of Trayvon Martin, Reneisha McBride, and the UNARMED black man who was shot by police while he was looking for help after his car broke down (I think that happened in Florida, too)
It is official: it is OPEN SEASON on black men, women, and children in america — LEGALLY, and it is time for black people to get out of denial.
The sickest and most ironic part is I think most white people KNOW bands of black youth aren’t attacking them because if it’s NOT HAPPENING – how can they NOT know it’s a lie? That’s like somebody telling me they’re putting money in my bank account but when I look NOTHING’S HAPPENING – so how can I not know they’re lying to me?
I think white people KNOW black people don’t run anything in america, either, because whenever white people need something done OR want something changed, white people go to OTHER WHITE PEOPLE (because they know who’s really running things)
They know black people aren’t the ones who are stealing their tax money, shipping their jobs overseas, robbing their pension plans, or saddling the children with decades of college debt. Yet, some are more mad at black people than they are at the real criminals, who, by the way, aren’t “black street gangs.”
I also think white people KNOW President Obama doesn’t run jack in that White House (which is why it’s still the White House), and that he’s just a puppet (yeah, I said it) and you know this is true because of the UNPRECENDENTED level of disrespect he gets by those in power—which would not happen if he WAS in charge. (just like you don’t go to your boss and curse him out because you are AFRAID of being fired). I did a post about it. Of course, that’s why President Obama was PLACED in that seat to begin with. To take the BLAME.
Almost everything in the news today, with a black name or face attached to it is being used as BLACK SCAPEGOATING, even the black male who rescued those three non-black females who were imprisoned for over ten years got no respect — another signal to the white collective that even when a black person does something good, he or she is still “BAD” and undeserving of respect.
Black scapegoating and anti-blackness is so bad and so well disguised today that even black people are jumping on the anti-blackness bandwagon and jumping all over each other, like the black people who think Tommy Sotomayer “has a good point.” (sic)
Keep your eyes open. BLACK SCAPEGOATING and ANTI-BLACKNESS are clearly the waves (and the agendas) of the future in America — because someone (us) will have to take the blame for all the economic pain and elimination of constitutional rights that is on the horizon for america.
Only this time, it will have a BLACK FACE (Obama’s AND ours) on it.
Be vigilant
(again, sorry about the long post)
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I knew there was something fishy about the reporting about this “trend”. It’s exactly like those idiotic parents who got all whipped up in a frenzy about teens supposedly “butt-chugging”, or having colored bracelet orgies, and other assorted nonsense, except this daft fantasy has the added “bonus” of a racial element. I can see it now “it’s not just any teens Martha, it’s NEGRO teens, they’ve gone wild and they’re just running around day and night beating anyone unconscious they encounter, my word” *sees black kid on the sidewalk and locks door*(lol)
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The powerful white people who control the media are really at work here.
The book called the Tavistock Institute of Human relations explains this well.
These people were even quoted in saying that they’ll make it acceptable for black to call themselves “niggers” and other deragatory names to demean them.
Have you ever saw the commercial with the rapping Hampsters? Ppl calling each other “dawg” “bow wow” “bitch” etc… Get my point?
See how the culture has been perverted and demeaned?
Anytime black people have something to unify themselves it always get destroyed. No different that how Black leaders got assassinated etc.
Maybe I’m wrong but I’ve noticed mainly when you hear about white people killing other whites it’s in some sort of lifetime crime mystery show on TV of something that happened back in the 90’s that nobody cares about but the media is quick to point out violence in Mexico with the cartels when our gov. Are the ones supplying them guns etc
@ Slim
I don’t believe you for a second.
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@ Joaquin
I agree, and I think this has a political agenda stink to it
I live in the Chicago area and due to the media making it look like huge numbers of wild black teenagers are running around beating up white people (which isn’t happening), young black people are being harassed in predominantly white and downtown areas just for doing nothing but being there.
A friend of mine’s son was downtown with two other boys (all in their teens) and they were looking up at a street sign trying to see where they were and these white policemen ran up on them and told them they couldn’t “loiter” — which is just a way of making them feel so uncomfortable (oppressed) that they wouldn’t WANT to go downtown again. It’s done to make them feel like criminals before they’ve even committed a crime — and lower their self-esteem.
Also, black people are losing jobs at a record pace in Chicago, and if you go downtown now, you see fewer and fewer blacks commuting to work. So, the city politicians (led by Rahm Emmanuel, Obama’s former Chief of Staff) are moving black people out of inner city areas via taxation, eliminating jobs, and allowing (or introducing) more crime– to get back valuable city land so whites will be able to move back to the city and avoid the long commutes. And this scenario is happening all over the country to black people.
All this goes hand in hand with the other
1. Paint blacks as a “problem”
2. Lead the white population to collectively conclude that something must be done about those “blacks”
3. Offer a solution by PURGING the “problem” from the work place, city neighborhoods, and college campuses.
I believe it will be increasingly unsafe and unpleasant for black people to walk around freely without the potential for being harmed or harassed by law enforcement.
It wasn’t so long ago that “freed slaves” had to show a PASS to travel in certain areas or to be out of a white town (like Downtown Chicago) before the sun set (just Google “sundown towns”)
Like former President Roosevelt once said, “Everything that happens in politics, happens because it was planned that way”
and I’d add, that everything that happens to black people in a white supremacy society (like america) happens because it was planned that way
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Abagond, I guess at some point, this post was necessary because your racist white trolls and resident race realists keep bringing up this game — a game that most people– black, white, or otherwise — don’t seem to know exists.
I’ve never heard of this game Period until your racist visitors brought it up — they are the Only people I’ve ever heard bring it up – yet they talk about it like this game is Common or common knowledge
I’ve never heard of this game being played in Miami or any other major Florida city, our local News media hasn’t cover it because this game is either Not happening here or it is so Rare, it doesn’t get brought up —
yet your resident white racists would have everyone who reads this blog believe that knock-out games happen frequently and are a major Problem
If it is being played in northern US States, then people up there should be more aware also, but it seems that this Knock Out game is not prevalent enough for people up North to know about either.
The local news always mentions when white or black teenagers beat up homeless people, random strangers, or each other but not a word is mentioned about “knock out” games — wouldn’t these games be talked about more frequently by the News if it was such a Huge problem for local authorities.
That’s why I said in another comment that white racist groups are waging a “propaganda war” — they are trying and seem to be succeeding in controlling the Narrative in the media and on the Internet — they keep repeating their lies, trying to make them true.
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@ DeepFried_BlackmansHolyGrail
I have never seen black people be so anti-black and anti-black-self as I have seen us over the last ten years. A lot of us are treating other black people the way white people sometimes treat us.
Walk around black people today and a lot of us won’t look each other in the eyes, won’t smile or be courteous to each other, will call each other the most foul names at the drop of a hat (but won’t say BOO to a white person)
and they way some of us prey on each other in our relationships and marriages is enough to make Dr. King AND Harriet Tubman turn over in their graves, wondering — “is this what I died for?”
Forty years ago, black males and females would have run the likes of a Tommy Sotomayor out of town on a rail. There’s no way his kind of foolishness would have been tolerated.
Nor would black females thought it was “cool”: to call each other b**tches and ho*s as terms of endearment. Those used to be fighting words.
ALL of this madness courtesy of integration and the white media that created and promoted this kind of “black entertainment”
We are falling fast and we better pull our pants up–literally– take our heads out of the sand, turn off the TV tube once in a while–and figure out how we’re going to tackle our growing list of problems, starting with being BETTER role models for our children and the man and woman in the mirror.
Don’t mean to preach but like D, it’s time to DO something
never heard of this but I will check out Tavistock Institute of Human relations
thanks!
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Reblogged this on Racism Is White Supremacy.
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@ Linda
It actually is happening pretty frequently, and it has been around for a while. At least 20 yrs, as I’m almost 30, and I’ve seen it played as a kid. It may not be so common in some areas. But its pretty common.
The thing is tho…its NOT a blk teen thing. It’s a teen thing. I just find it odd that it only made the mainstream news because the recent victims were white ans Jewish. Especially considering in Fall River Massachusetts, the Vietnamese and Cambodian kids play it, and recently knocked out a few black teenage girls.. that didn’t make the news as an Asian thug dilemma
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@TrojanPam
Tommy Sotomayor is weird and has a way of thinking where as when I hear him speak on certain things he seems to contradict himself and all his negro sheep followers just clap their hands for him like he’s their sheep herder.
As far as black men and women are bre ally think it all starts in the home Witt a good family structure. Especially when raising kids. Having two parents especially in my case a young male I bie e that having a strong man I your ice is a difference. I noticed a big difference in guys my age who had fathers and who didn’t. The ones who did were different In their attitudes. They were more confident in themselves, their goals. More confident with women and I was and other guys my age who had no fathers in their lives. I in particular noticed the feminine behaviors I’ve developed but have a hard time letting go. When I was younger I even painted my toenails (once of twice) and my mother didn’t stop me. I’m pretty sure if my father was there he would have out a stop to that sh*t soon as he saw it. I’ve even asked older men with advice on women because I felt uncomfortable talking about it with my mom. When it would easier if i had a father to turn to instead of going on my job asking older guys I trust to help me with dating etc.
I’m not too sure about females but I also believe a strong women and father would help especially me noticing how a lot of black girls do all these things to hair appearance to look like a white women because at a young age putting extensions in their hair they are indirectly being told grey are not good enough. (That’s one of few points Tommy Sotomayor made that I agree with).
So feminization, self hate, feeling ashamed of your natural appearance compared to a beauty stAndard plays a big part in how a child/adult sees themselves in the world. Dr Frances Cress Welsing hit this on the head.
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@ mussandrad
Interesting. Would you happen to have a link to that story? Thanks!
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Excuse my spelling mistakes, I’m on a iPhone and it has a auto -spell check.
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@ king no link. It may not have made the news at all.
I suppose I can look tho. But not now as I’m at work
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@Mussandrad
Sorry for the confusion. I’ll elaborate, what I mean by saying its a hood thing with me and my friends when we played it is that we done it for the power we felt and the masculinity it made us feel as young adolescent teens. When it comes to suburban kids I can’t give you an answer why the play it, I have no idea. I can only answer from my personal experiences with the game and why I and people I know played it. I stand by blaming it a bit of rap, while the genre has never exactly mentioned it it still promotes violence and knock out is a form of violence to show off power in a young kids mind .
I honest to god was not aware that white kids play it . I grew up on South side of Chicago. It was extremely rare too even see white people around me. Only did when I was downtown or up north.
@Craig,
Sounds nothing like somethinf the jackass crew would do at all. They do weird shit to themselves not brutal shit to innocents . And a white troll? Stop it. Don’t get so damm defensive from somebody telling there point of view on something.
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@ DeepFried_BlackmansHolyGrail
I totally agree with you about having the BALANCE of male/female influences when raising children. It damages the self-esteem of male AND female children when the fathers are absent and the only role model is that of the female parent–who is probably struggling emotionally herself–and probably came from the same sort of home.
That’s why I think it’s UNJUST to blame all or most of the blame on black mothers (or the fathers) for a problem that was CREATED BY the white supremacy system.
It’s no accident that as black people started to attend college in larger numbers (right after the so-called civil rights movement) that all of a sudden CRACK COCAINE flooded our neighborhoods while jobs were being taken out. It’s no accident that they created crack cocaine mandatory sentences and three-strikes-you’re-out laws (thanks to former Prez Clinton) that put large numbers of black males and females in prison for 5 to 10 years. And a lot of those people were non-violent low level dealers or users and a lot of them were PARENTS.
Everything possible has been done to destroy the black family since the days of CHATTEL SLAVERY, to break black males and females apart and pit us against each other — and the so-called interracial sex/dating thing is all part of that strategy.
Of course, black females are going to have some self-esteem issues in a white supremacy society that CONSTANTLY DEGRADES our appearance and demonizes our humanity. Of course, some of us are going to change our hair to fit a standard that even black males seem to buy into. And we all know that the light-skinned long-haired black female is often placed on a pedestal by equally low-self-esteemed black males.
Unfortunately, because we don’t know our history OR understand our enemies and that those SMILING FACES hide the evil that lurks within (like that old Temptation song — check it out and you’ll see just how accurate it is)
We seem to be falling for every trick thrown at us. We’re smarter than that, and I hope we realize it before it’s too late.
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[…] knockout games […]
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So, what do we do, how do we do it and how can we get others to do it?
Forgive me if it seems blunt, but I’ve had enough of the doom and gloom. For once, I’d like to see some action that’ll benefit, strengthen and protect us.
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Just reblogged this post
http://racismws.com/2013/11/27/knockout-games-reblogged-from-abagonds-blog/
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@Slim
While I am not into the guessing game or who you are, I am going to point out that you don’t really sound much like a teenager. Most I know do things like that for fun and simply because it is a joke and game to them. Not really because they have come to the conclusion and deep thought (most teens who participate in such don;t deeply think it through) that it is a power trip.
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@TrojanPam
EXACTLY. You’re very right about that.
Bill Clinton doesn’t care about black people nor does Hilary. They just kiss a little butt to get the black vote to give the illusion that white people in power give a damn about black problems. Bush, Bill and Hilary etc all went to the same college. They’re all in the same club. I don’t trust em.
As far as the broken family structures you are correct. It’s funny how white people remain ignorant to this stuff and say ” well blacks are just lazy ” and all that nonsense.
Most of those white people are coming from a whole nother world. The apple pie lifestyle ( as in a certain way abagond put it).
Those same white people come on here talking about Abagond being racist because they got their feelings hurt. They act like the universes revolves around their feelings.
They’re not the ones living in rat infested neighborhoods, having their children going to crappy school systems, having poor food resources in their communities that cause possible health problems, waking around junkies all day etc. But they complain because someone hurt their feelings on a blog? C’mon.
Systematic racism has put people in situation where they are bound to fail. Any time blacks gave something to unify themselves it gets destroyed and white people have the nerve to complain like they know how it feels to be oppressed etc. When they benefit in so many ways I this white supremacist society.
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@ Mack
No problem, I appreciate bluntness
What do we do and how can we get others to do it? Without making my response too long (since this is not my blog) this is what I believe.
Whenever people ask me what we should do, what they usually mean (not saying this is you)
is WHAT is the quick and easy solution to this problem so I can get back to my life?
The first thing I always advise is to EDUCATE ourselves about the real problem and that — in my opinion — is Racism/White Supremacy. Every problem black people have can be traced back to the effects of racism, starting with chattel slavery. You can’t fix something when you don’t know what’s broken.
That doesn’t mean we have no responsibility for our problems, but we are like the abused child who is being blamed for growing up in an abusive home with abusive parents. That being said, once you become an adult, you have to do your best to OVERCOME your abusive upbringing.
That is the position black people are in. We have to do something different than what our “abusive parents” taught us to do so we can thrive and survive in a hostile environment.
The second thing is to be REALISTIC about solving the problem. This “problem” has taken over 500 years to develop. There are no quick and easy solutions. There is no way to get every OR most black people on board with anything. The people who truly want change (to be liberated from racism) will do something with that information.
What I try to do is to plant seeds as best I can and then the rest is up to the person to either water it or let it die. I also count myself among the abused children who are struggling to overcome my own damage under the system of white supremacy. I can’t worry about the people who let the seeds of information die and then complain, “what is somebody (else) going to do about this or that problem?”
The main thing I suggest is for all of us — once we are armed with EDUCATION and REALISTIC THINKING — is to work on our own anti-blackness, and stop mistreating each other and stop name-calling each other, and stop betraying each other, and stop putting white people on romantic pedestals and knocking black people off, and to stop spending (wasting) our money on ‘black entertainment’ that degrades other black people, and to start finding ways to start our own businesses and putting our talents to work PUTTING other black people to work, and to work toward black unity.
There are many black people — including myself– who have put hundreds of hours into sharing information — but the problem is a lot of us don’t like to read — and if we do, some of us have to hear their “news” from the white media before it’s taken seriously (not my fault)
At this stage, it doesn’t matter to me if people are tired of hearing what I’m saying (not saying you are), OR if they think this is all doom-and-gloom because it’s REAL and it’s right in front of our faces,
and if we don’t get out of all this poisonous individualism, and running and chasing behind white people for a scrap of white validation, and start supporting each other and loving and nurturing and protecting and defending each other to the best of our ability
it will be too late to do ANYTHING.
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@Sharina,
If you’d like I could dumb down the way I’m typing right now. I’m a smart guy I’d like to believe and this blog is obviously filled with intelligent people, so why would I type or convey my thoughts in a teenage way ? I could give you proof that I’m a teenager of you’d like , have no issue with doing that .
I’m not going to lie at first it was a thing to do for fun just to see if you had the power to do it but when I think deeply into it the way I am now it’s obviously much more. There’s a song by Kendrick Lamar called “The Art of Peer Pressure” and in the song he says “Rush a nigga quick, then we laugh about it, that’s ironic cause I’ve never been violent, until I’m with the homies” that line right there is perfect for what I’ve felt when I’m with my friends and knockout always came from being with the homies. Maybe it’s cause I didn’t exactly fit in ..
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@Mack Lyons
In understand what you mean.
I honestly think that many people are not comfortable speaking out and bring a conscious effort to unify black people and others people and even making the aware of the system we live.
In my opinion the who have attempted to unify black people in that way have been assassinated, black mailed, had their organizations derailed etc. Because I think the people in power fear having people go against the system and expose them.
So in contrast I think as a result people ARE willing to speak out but they are hesitant because they know that there will be consequences and history tells them that.
All the Afrocentric people who have had their names slandered and even killed to this day but swept under the rug.
So it seems nobody cares but anytime we group together our groups get dismantled.
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So I think it’s all a process. Such as just making people aware of why things are as they are. Such a in America bring white for some time has been the standard…such as their language being considered professional, their style of dress being the only way one can achieve employment, and people who look like them being on all our money, do indeed apply to all white people. Therefore, no matter how poor, gay, or disabled you are, they still have white privilege and being non white…either get with the program or don’t and fail.
Just my opinion.
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@ DeepFried_BlackmansHolyGrail
that’s why EDUCATION is so important, because once you understand we live UNDER a SYSTEM of white supremacy, you will also understand that everything that is happening to you and your kind is happening BY DESIGN
you will understand that the Presidency is just an EMPTY SUIT of clothing, and that the real power is somewhere behind it, pulling the puppet strings.
You will understand that the SYSTEM is set to destroy your children and you will be more vigilant in protecting and educating them
You will understand that their biggest fear is black males and black females coming together to love and protect each other and you won’t fall for the Interracial Con Game (the title of one of my books) and allow them to divide and conquer us
You wont’ waste your precious hard-earned money buying “designer” clothing just have a white person’s name on your butt or feet because it won’t MEAN anything to you because you have learned to VALIDATE YOURSELF
You won’t sit in front of a movie or TV screen supporting those who degrade your images and you won’t let your children do it either so they will grow up strong minded, high-self-esteemed, and BLACK-SELF-RESPECTING
That’s what KNOWLEDGE will do, something that no amount of money can buy, that’s why I always tell people — when asked what we can do — is there are a ton of things we can do that don’t cost a dime but reap huge benefits
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@ DeepFried_BlackmansHolyGrail
You might be interested in my free Counter-Racism Boot Camp Course
http://racismws.com/counter-racism-101/
(thanks for letting me post this, Abagond)
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@TrojanPam
It’s also strange how so many people are facing jail time and even life sentences for marajuana and they’re not even violent criminals. Now, done states in this country have made marajuana legal. So those people incarcerated for marajuana and in jail for almost no reason. In jail for something that now bring made legal. Why aren’t these people being let out of jail.
Government is nothing but a science of ruling over other people.
Those powerful government people are nothing but gangsters in suits.
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@ TrojanPam
Thanks I’ll check out that link.
The interracial con game is a book you put our?
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@ DeepFried_BlackmansHolyGrail
One of the main reasons the U.S. has the world’s highest incarceration rate is the private prison industry being fueled by black, brown, and poor white bodies.
Another reason is slavery is unconstitutional EXCEPT when a crime is committed. That means locking up a lot of people guarantees a supply of free OR near-free LABOR AKA slaves.
When the BP oil spill happened in Louisiana a few years, Angola Prison (check this out, they named a PRISON after an AFRICAN nation), officials forced black male inmates to help clean up the spill — without giving them protective gear (!) and if they refused they were told they’d get more time on their sentence
And more recently, when we had all those tornados in Illinois, Illinois prison officials used INMATES (most of them probably black) to clean up those tornado-ravaged areas. How much did they pay them? Probably nothing.
and when you work people without paying them what do they call that?
SLAVERY
there are other reasons but I think my post is long enough
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@slim
Still not buying your rap claim.
Also, u go as far as to say whites, mainly from jackass hurt themselves…not innocents. What are u implying exactly? Have you been oblivious to the recent string of mass shootings? Give me a break dude. White folks are the most violent.
And you said something about not seeing white people in Chicago..I don’t believe that for a second.
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@ DeepFried_BlackmansHolyGrail
Yes, it is, here’s the link
http://racismws.com/the-interracial-con-game/
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@Mussandrad,
You must have select hearing , no where did I say that white don’t hurt people. I said the white boys on JACKASS the tv show. Steve-O,cChris, Knoxville and all those guys on the show. I know whites have done lots of mass shootings, the batman movie incident, School shootings and all types of other awful things. No where did I say white people don’t hurt people I said the white dudes on JACKASS. Where I grew up in Chicago on the Southside the only white people I seen on a daily basis were a couple teachers and policemen. Real shit.
On the rap music thing from my point of view it played a large role into it. Just my opinion. Just like that death metal rock music played an role in white kid school shootings. Music is a powerful thing when it comes to troubled youths.
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Slim,
“Knockout was a way for us to feel tough and try to fit in with are scenery, which is/was the hood.”
So what changed? You or the scenery?
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Slim
I blame the game really on the culture of rap and what not. Knockout was a way for us to feel tough and try to fit in with are scenery, which is/was the hood.
I don’t know if it’s been asked already, but how is rap culture to blame for you trying to knockout someone?
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Filmed in my city of Baltimore for anyone interested.
White supremacy and lie about the drugs that were placed in our communities on purpose.
(http://youtu.be/duU23qq2SkE)
This post just reminded me of it.
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Slim,
The reason why I asked is that I’ve listened to rap up to today. Some positive. Some negative. Some conscious. Some gangsta. Some trap. Some ranchy. (Yes, I said ranchy like the songs that used to be on BET Uncut back in the day.) Some old school. Some new school. Etc. I never had the urge to knock out someone because of some song. I also didn’t have the urge to pull out a gun and start shooting because I heard it in a few lyrics.
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@Solesearch,
I changed . I just grew out of it more than anything and realized it was a disgusting thing to do. It’s funny actually because I remember when it all changed in my head. A good friend of mine had knockedout a small Asian kid while we were down town and I sat back in watched in disgust for once. Instead of being impressed by the punching power I was truly disgusted. I walked over and helped the kid up and got his book bag for him and stuff and apologized for my friend. Even walked with him to the bus. I guess i pretty much just matured.
My scenery has changed now too tho.. I’m in college and living with my mom when in Chicago I was living my Dad, but the change occurred while I was still in Chicago.
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Abagond,
Violence by white people is never considered a trend. 2012 had a lot of mass shootings by white men, but no one – in the mainstream especially – ever considered it an issue with white males. They see them as a few angry loons who went off the deep end, never a pathology of white manhood.
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@Brothawolf,
When I was younger in it that stage me and my dudes were very impressionable, weak minded and wanting to fit in . Waka fkocka had a song called fight, a song called for my dawgs. Chief keef has a song called bang and numerous other ones that made us feel amped up . Get to feeling like that and you get violent. It’s no longer like that for me when I listen to the songs.
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@ Slim
You are missing the point in what I said. I personally don’t care if you are a teenager or not but you don’t sound like one is what I was saying. In the event that you are one then I am curious on why someone who is intelligent enough to convey themselves in the manner that you do is dumb enough to participate in such ruthless and ignorant games.
I agree that peer pressure makes you do dumb things but then you need to ask yourself why you chose to hang with individuals that get a thrill out of something like that? Are you accomplishing anything from it?
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I saw where you posted your changes so I should change my question to read “Did you accomplish anything from it during that time?”
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@Sharnia,
I’ve always been a very smart guy . Always in honors classes and stuff. I did it because of the peer pressure , my father who is a Moe from Terror town and really that’s it .. I was so weak looking back at it . I can’t even give you a reason as to why I would fall that low .. my dad kind of egged it on to a degree. But I can’t blame him for me doing that.
I didn’t accomplish anything from it except scarred knuckles and a broken finger . Smh
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Ehh@ slim
I’m familiar with both artists and both songs. I feel like your using the music as a scapegoat. I understand it may have amped you up during..but can’t see it causing the actions.
I used to be quite the drug dealer. I listened to trap music because I felt like the artists related to my struggle. In no way did it motivate me peddle more, or to sell more. Whether I listen to the music or not I’d have still been a drug dealer.
I think you should own up to your actions, which you appear to be doing. But don’t blame the music.
Again, Pusha T was and is my favorite rapper. I liked him because I felt he knew my struggle, but he isn’t the reason I was trapping.
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@ Brothawolf
I agree. Whites are individuals while blacks and non-whites are tied to one umbilical cord. But that’s why racism is practiced, to guarantee whites better treatment.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of black and non-white people who share the same twisted view (of themselves) and mimic whatever white people say about other black or non-white people
For example, I have NEVER once heard a white person say to a second white person in regard to a third white person caught doing something bad —
“Ain’t that just like a whitey?”
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u know the only knockout game I knew about was the basketball one. Dang ppl need to stop recycling words or I think its something else.
As for this knockout game it is not a recent thing the only thing that has changed is the name, and the media acting like its a black thing. Funny that nobody called it a white thing when it was some white teens going around beating up homeless people. It is the same thing they just change the name of things to suit their agenda, when it’s whites shooting and killing other kids in school or theaters its a tragedy a senseless act of violence, black person kills another black person its black on black crime *gasp*. White ppl break into stores for food, water, etc its taking necessities, blacks and poc do it and omg they are looting. white people slap, hit, or attack somebody and record it and its happy slapping, blacks do it and its knockout game call the press they attacking people.
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@ mussandrad and all
I dunno… It seems like Slim has several times taken direct responsibility for his actions. What he seems to be talking about is influences, atmosphere, and context.
Is it really possible to say to somebody, “Because I don’t think that rap had any effect on me, then it also must not have had an effect on you either?”
Shouldn’t a person be as free to say that rap had an influence on his mindset as you are to surmise that rap didn’t have an influence on yours?
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Also @ slim
I’m not bringing it to you right now, I know tone can be difficult to detect through written words.
You are a young blk male so my heart is with you. I advise all youth to be responsible and take responsibility in their actions. I agree peer pressure can be hard.. but a strong minded individual garners plenty respect. It also shows leadership
So while your boys might give you a hard time at first, your ability and willingness to stand up for what you believe in, whether right or wrong is something they will remember and cause them to seek out your counsel.
I assure you.
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@king I agree with that..
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@ Slim
Fair enough. I am trying to get a sense of what make teens do that. Teens where I live don’t do that.
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@king I even stated that it would appear the he is taking responsibility
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Ms trojanpam
I agree they will use this to justify or not care when a black person is killed. unfortunately when some black people mess up all black people pay for it and it’s usually the innocent black people that get killed for it. I have no respect for any punk people that participate in this activity but I don’t agree with them trying to act like this has not been going on and is new and unique to just black youth. u know what i’ll tell them what they tell us ” don’t jump to conclusions,” “u don’t have proof it’s a hate crime, wait for all the information to come out,” they didn’t use the c word so u can’t prove it was racially motivated.
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@mstoogood4yall
” ” don’t jump to conclusions,” “u don’t have proof it’s a hate crime, wait for all the information to come out,” they didn’t use the c word so u can’t prove it was racially motivated.”—-An absolutely perfect response to their nonsense.
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But @ mstoogoodforme
It’s NOT racial at all. It def happens in all black neighborhoods where there aren’t many whites to be victimized. What then would motivate them? It also happens in areas where there are not many blacks to participate or be the victims.
It just isn’t racial at all. I don’t care what the media tries to portray.
It’s my opinion that the media is thirsty and reaching for black on white racism.
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It’s like ever since the trayvon case they try to match the community outcry, and prove that everyone else is equally or more racist
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Slim,
Thanks for answering and your answer helped to remind me of something from my own youth.
There was a rap song called “Slam” by Onyx. It was played during after parties after football and basketball games in high school. (I suddenly feel old all of a sudden.) I love the song to this day, but it was dangerous when that song played. When the chorus said “SLAM!”, that’s what the boys did. It was only playful, but nonetheless a little painful and a lot annoying. I never took part in it, but I was “slammed” a few times. I had to move away from the dudes when that song was playing. Thank goodness no one was hurt, as far as I know, but what if one of those dudes didn’t take it well? A real fight could’ve broken out. Thank goodness that didn’t happen either.
Also, around that same time, during my freshmen years, a couple of Junior class dudes would slap me in the back of the head for reasons unknown. I think it was just to see how I would react seeing as how I was a freshmen.
I didn’t think much of it. I thought of it as just being young men goofing off the same way you have young white males go wild during rock and heavy metal concerts and shows.
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Brothawolf:
There was a rap song called “Slam” by Onyx. It was played during after parties after football and basketball games in high school. (I suddenly feel old all of a sudden.) I love the song to this day, but it was dangerous when that song played. When the chorus said “SLAM!”, that’s what the boys did.
I know that song well lol, I was in my early days of secondary school if I recall. What do you mean when you say SLAM, like slam in to you?
When I was about this age too (or maybe slightly younger) people used to call others ‘slaphead’ and slap them in the forehead to give them ‘knowledge’. The harder the better for some *smh*
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I do think music affects people but it is a combination of things from environment, parenting, personality, supervision, and who u interact with that influences behavior. music can put in ur mind to do something or think about something but all the things I listed have an affect on if u actually act on those impulses or not. Choosing the company that u keep as well as the music u listen to is important.
The industry knows music affects mood, it is why they went from playing conscious rap to gangsta rap and why when u hear a sad song u become sad or become happy from hearing an upbeat song. We must know something is up for them to put all this crap out at a time when more kids are growing up without both parents due to divorce, death, prison,etc. If parents are not around to teach and instill values and right from wrong in a child then the childs conscience will be messed up, add bad music to it and it is like loading a bullet into a gun. if either one is missing nothing will happen if u have a bullet but no gun u can’t hurt anybody, if u have a gun but no bullet u can’t shoot anybody. both are useless and can’t cause harm without both being used together. it is the same thing with music if u listen to bad music but have a stable environment, good conscience, involved parents, etc it won’t affect u as badly as someone that doesn’t have a good conscience, uninvolved parents, bad friends etc. music does affect thinking and behavior to an extent, but won’t cause u to go out and do everything they say in those songs only give u the idea. it is how people in canada and other countries can listen to the same music we do ,watch the same violent movies, and play the same violent video games ,but because of the different history and society the way people react to them is different and the rate of violence,murders ,and imprisonment is different.
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@ mussandrad
yeah I know it’s not racial, it does happen to other black people and poc. oh and they trying to say its anti semitic since some jews were hit as well smh. when it happens to another black person it is black on black crime it happens to a random white person and it’s omg they are targeting whites, hold up first off whites make up most of the population (for now) so of course they’d come into contact more with white vitctims, but that doesn’t mean they are specifically targeting them. Most of these are cases of opportunity, now if they lay in wait and allow other races of ppl to walk by and are like yeah lets just get this one white person then ok I can see them freaking out. But if they are laying in wait for one person to walk their way and it happens to be a white person that imo is not a means to start sounding the alarm that they are out to get whites.
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Trojan Pam, your words were like water to a dessert traveler, seriously I’ve echoed the same sentiments for years with respect to semantics of course. Bit you hit the nail on the head on my opinion. Most of us don’t know that the real problem is white supremacy, everything in the universe is governed by cause and effect but we are lead to believe that our problems are ours alone. As of our tree of problems was never a seed. Enjoyed reading what you had to say and I concur….
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@mstoogood
My whole thing is this. I feel like there are some dubious individuals trying to make it racist. All over the net on random forums people are always saying black teens. Now the media says black teens….
…It’s not black teens tho. It’s just teens.
They would have you think no white kids play it. No hispanics, no Asians.
It’s like black teens are gonna be the scapegoat for this. Now when they finally find out all teens of any given race are doing it, the black kids started it.
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[…] The knockout game (by 1990), also called polar-bearing or the one-hitter-quitter, is where you try to knock out an innocent, unsuspecting bystander by striking them with a single blow. It is done o… […]
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yeah its to the temple or jaw or the one had to the back of the neck like idk that one keep your teeth together if you like them
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Great article. Fear mongering and race baiting at its best!
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Still waiting on a response Abagond from my question posed to you up thread…
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The idea that a few incidences with no real signs of being widespread, common, or racially specific are a typical example of many of the baby boomers and other older generation’s(especially whites) irrational paranoia(and in this case also racism) making them believe more or less that the teens of today(especially dark complexioned ones) are orgy having, booze and drug crazed maniacs without any compassion or rationality. This is demonstrated by the fact that they’ll swallow some of the most far-fetched, illogical, and often flat out ridiculous exaggerations and falsehoods about youth(like this one) without the slightest bit of skepticism. The news(aka mass fear mongering) will report some baseless rumour or hasty conclusions about some isolated incident spread by chain email and other dubious sources as news, without even elementary fact checking. Soon all these clueless, sheltered fools with too much time on their hands are in histrionics and pushing for bans on things, all without taking a single damn second to observe consider how the story shows obvious signs of being engineered to play on their racist and generational prejudices and insecurities. But then again that’s the whole thing, they don’t fact check because they want to believe teens are mostly corrupted(they don’t have values like back in my day, pffft) and out of control, and that teens especially black and Latino boys, are these wild, violent savages who are completely unpredictable, and will pound the hell out of you for no reason. As a young man of Latino/Indigenous background, I got to say that you who believe this nonsense first of all look like paranoid, clueless, racist old fools. Despite all these “corrupting influences” you bemoan all the time, the young people of today, whatever their color, are no morally worse than your generation was, and there certainly isn’t a significant proportion of us who pump liquor up our rectums to get drunk faster, or have parties where we snort prescription pills and choke ourselves with belts, or take pounding innocent people unconscious so lightly as to engage in it as a recreational activity. Yes, there may be some who do outrageous things, but by and large young people, black or any other color, have the same age old human motives for their actions as anyone else did at that age. Stop projecting your fears and insecurities on us. Seriously, especially those suburban white women who be confidently repeating these preposterous fairy tales as if they are established truth on TV, and forming organizations to campaign against imaginary menaces to their kids. Like damn, I don’t understand how someone can live for 35+ years and apparently not have accumulated a single clue, still blindly believing every story that floats by that transparently panders to their basest fears and prejudices. These people obviously should spend some of that excess time and energy on a real issue, instead of trying to ban saggy jeans and rap music in schools, and make “possible miscreants” wear tracking devices, or whatever other silly-ass, misguided hijinks they periodically engage in.
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Look at all the deflection by the race industry employees smh It’s racial and its despicable! There have been cases all over the country about this racist, criminal game all the perpetrators are black youths.
Maybe Abagond could also post about the flash mobs all over the country by feral black youths destroying property and stealing everything in sight. These
animals who participate in these flash mobs also post their ignorance online for all to witness..smh
Black on white hate crimes need to be exposed as they happen way too often and are then covered up by the lame stream media. Only Fox News has the balls to bring this problem and other black on white crime to the countries attention.
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Black on white crimes…hundreds, thousands of them all for you to see.
Maybe these have something to do with all the blacks in prison, perhaps.
http://www.newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html
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I could explain it to you Christopher, but you wouldn’t really listen. You don’t really care about what and why, I suspect.
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King,
“Shouldn’t a person be as free to say that rap had an influence on his mindset as you are to surmise that rap didn’t have an influence on yours?”
Exactly. Adidas, Mountain Dew, nike, etc. are paying rappers millions of dollars to harness that influence.
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so,slim,how many whites and asians did you and you’r friends manage to seriously maim or kill? i know you wouldnt have the guts to answear this question truthfuly but i thought i would ask an inteligent question.so how many people did you and you’r friends distroy so you can feel remorse later in life.
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@King Look at the crimes against whites. There is no defense against the facts the link contains that I posted. These are criminals…BLACK ON WHITE CRIME! That is why the prisons are filled with blacks…not racism…criminality.
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do not worry slim,the jewish owned media is covering all the young black friends maiming and killing more whites and possibly asians.so,you’r secrety is safe.unless you want to be trutheful,nahhhh.
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Slim,
Good stuff man. We all did dumb stuff that we regret when we were kids. Lucky for us we didn’t get caught up. Everybody doesn’t get that chance.
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“We all did dumb stuff that we regret when we were kids.”
_ _ _
Well, not all of us….
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@Christopher Columbus
“There have been cases all over the country about this racist, criminal game all the perpetrators are black youths.”—Actually there has been no reports of this in my area so that busts you lie number one.
Secondly since I have been researching this the reports say primarily black youth not all of them are black youth. I have included a link of the white guy that was arrested.
“http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2013/1123/Brooklyn-attack-arrest-Is-knockout-game-a-hate-crime-video
If it makes you feel better you can pretend he is light-skinned.
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Also Christopher Columbus the link you provided actually only confirms you confirmation bias. You would be better off with actual stats, but then you would probably seek out some outdated stats to further prove your confirmation bias. hmmm nevermind then. Carry on.
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@Sharina
LOL That is not a white man…that is a Puerto Rican. Look at his friends who were also arrested…BLACK. I’m sure thuggery and rap music is the guiding light for their despicable lives.
Also, doesn’t abagond have a broken record about “hey they did it too” ? lol
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@gene willis
Considering people can trace ip addresses these days he took a risk even sharing his story, so ….
Secondly he never said he or his friends killed anyone. This is your exaggeration of what he said.
None of your questions are intelligent at this point, but perhaps if you calmed down and stop letting your emotions run wild then you might….might be able to ask something of the intelligent nature.
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@King
Not only that I don’t think he would actually understand it if you tried.
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@TrojanPam
I thought most of them are on life sentences. Hard to get more time added. He-he.
But of course, there are other forms of punishment.
Anyhow, seriously, yes, indeed, it seems that state governments still manage get free involuntary labour out of prison inmates. Maybe the state sees it as a way to get money to support the penal system in the USA. Has anyone seen a study of that?
But just imagine the corruption if the penal system is privatised. OMG :=o
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“
Just a moment Christopher…
@ Sharina
But should I even try to explain? It takes so much effort! Aand I’m tired and I have to make mushroom stuffing. And Christopher may not even want to understand… he may just need a place where he can, “strike back at Black people” rather than really listen or solve anything.
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@ mstoogood4yall
One thing I try to avoid doing is falling into the anti-blackness trap by blaming the “bad” black people for how white people view me. Because I know one thing has NOTHING to do with the other.
Even if every black person in the U.S. was a model citizen, racism would still exist and whites would still find ways to justify practicing it against us.
That’s what we should commit to our memory banks. Racism is NOT about black people messing up, it’s about white domination and mistreatment of anyone AND everyone who is not white — worldwide.
But, they have us so confused that we blame other black people for what white people are doing TO us — and I hear black people do this all the time by saying:
“I’m embarrassed for black people.” OR
“that so and so black person makes all of us look bad.”
When the reality is — ALL of us ALREADY look bad to a racist.
Whites see other white people committing all kinds of economic, political, militaristic, social, and violent crimes all the time
but they don’t walk around with a guilt trip because they are NOT forced to apologize every time a white person OR persons does the wrong thing.
That’s why I REFUSE to do it — and will tell anyone in a sec that if I didn’t DO the CRIME, I’m not taking the TIME to apologize or feel bad or feel ashamed
FOR SOMETHING I DID NOT DO
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@ Kudjoe
It’s good to know there are other people on the same page.
It would answer a lot of questions and provide some remedies to our problems if we could just agree on that one point:
the problem is racism/white supremacy.
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The explanation I keep hearing by the Race Industry Employees here is that its White peoples fault….. It cannot be Single Parent homes, Welfare state, glorifying criminality in music and culture and being Democratic party slaves…..noooo it cannot be that smh
P.S. Not to mention the great Black Americans in this country are labeled sell-outs and uncle toms by the majority of BA and the liberal media…its sickening.
You are being told by your white liberal slave masters that you are victims and that racism by whites(GOP) is the reason you are in your condition. You are told that you need white liberal policies because you cannot stand on your two feet without handouts….so vote for us(Demo-Crutchic party)
Come on…
Here is my man Alonzo Rachel to tell you like it is.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eudgDI-peAs)
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Interesting how (some) white people (who dislike black people) will come to the blog of a black person and vent all their hostilities,
which probably began early in life when their (white) parents knocked the beejeezus out of them on a regular basis
Because I have never met a well-adjusted RACIST or a racist who loved themselves or had a happy childhood.
Maybe we should send them a bill since we’re providing such a great outlet for their angst…
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@Trojan Pam
White Supremacy is the problem? LOL No its black racist like you who are the problem. White Supremacy is in your head not mine. You embrace it by keeping it alive…and yet life goes on, nothing changes, you continue to obsess over phantom racist white people. smh Look at your blog links for gods sake…..Dr.Welsing and other racist blacks are your teachers lol You are the racist and wear victimhood like a badge of honor. You need a new outlook on life.
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@Christopher Columbus
You nearly made me piss myself.
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@ Christopher C.
Looks like my last description of the typical racist rang a BELL since you came a’running…
Carry on…
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@TrojanPam
To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason,bis like administering medicine to the dead.
I wouldn’t even waste my time going back and fourth with @Christopher Columbus
Doesn’t matter what you say he/she will bring up sad and pathetic points. Lol I see a lot of ppl like @Christopher Columbus online commenting on blogs similar to this. It’s quite a time for entertainment.
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@ Peanut
I wonder what a good psychiatrist would say about a person who literally BEGS for the attention of the same people he (Christopher C.) claims to despise and be superior to?
Just thinking out loud…
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@ DeepFried_BlackmansHolyGrail
No worries, I won’t be going back and forth.
I’m not that bored. 😛
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It is absurd but so is mistreating people on the basis of color
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@peanut
When the infantile start throwing childish insults….You know you won lol
Racism is not the problem…its the race industry that is the problem. Its cultural marxist and people like you who do not know the meaning of the word nationalism or patriotism.
You betray your country(a country free to leave btw) with every stroke of the keyboard.
I do not feel superior to anyone. I just tell it like it is. It’s YOU who feel superior to me or anyone else who does not buy into your RACIST WHINE con game.
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@King
After being in a day long debate with someone on another forum I would have to say…No. You should not have to explain. The simple truth is I don;t think he wants to understand. The simple truth is I think he likes looking for anything to blame on blacks. It is not worth it.
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“When the infantile start throwing childish insults….You know you won lol”—I see a lot of morons try to claim a victory on this basis yet fail to look at their post full of insults and ridiculousness. hmmm quite interesting.
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Christopher Columbus,
White Supremacy is the problem? LOL No its black racist like you who are the problem. White Supremacy is in your head not mine. You embrace it by keeping it alive…and yet life goes on, nothing changes, you continue to obsess over phantom racist white people. smh Look at your blog links for gods sake…..Dr.Welsing and other racist blacks are your teachers lol You are the racist and wear victimhood like a badge of honor. You need a new outlook on life.
So, that means that the history of imperialism in Africa by European nations did not happen? That means the brutal enslavement of Africans was a fairy tale? The harsh, intolerable conditions Africans have suffered under European and American rule was due to our own faults? I guess that means the Black Codes was a myth. Jim Crow never existed. The War on Drugs was justified. All stories of lynchings and rapes were figments of some sick imagination that we thought of. The current police abuse and murders of blacks is because we’re a criminal race huh? The constant media attention to black criminality is our fault even though the media is own by white males? And so, the knockout games prove we are racist.
I don’t think you’re that obtuse not to know how incredibly out-of-touch with reality you really are. Then again, I’ve seen worse. lol
When the infantile start throwing childish insults….You know you won lol
So, by this estimation, you think you’ve won. Ha! Here’s some advice, don’t fight dragons using plastic spoons lol.
Racism is not the problem…its the race industry that is the problem. Its cultural marxist and people like you who do not know the meaning of the word nationalism or patriotism.
You betray your country(a country free to leave btw) with every stroke of the keyboard.
I have a feeling your brand of nationalism means waving flags and singing the National Anthem. lol But seriously, this country has done very, very, very, very little for me to make me want to so much as respect it.
I do not feel superior to anyone. I just tell it like it is. It’s YOU who feel superior to me or anyone else who does not buy into your RACIST WHINE con game.
It’s not us who feels superior to you. Maybe, it’s YOU who feel INFERIOR to us. Otherwise, why come here to troll around in the first place? Why don’t you seek professional help and learn how to conduct yourself online, eh?
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Omnipresent,
I know that song well lol, I was in my early days of secondary school if I recall. What do you mean when you say SLAM, like slam in to you?
When I was about this age too (or maybe slightly younger) people used to call others ‘slaphead’ and slap them in the forehead to give them ‘knowledge’. The harder the better for some *smh*
Well, slam gives it more impact than it was. I would say jump at random at anyone or anywhere landing on their feet mostly.
Nah, I didn’t get slapped from behind so that I would get knowledge. I think part of it was that I was a freshmen and that I was quiet and a little…awkward.
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@ all the whole knockout game “phenomenon” has not been reported here in Australia. I’ve also checked some of the Canadian news websites and it doesn’t seem to be reported there either.
Maybe it’s a problem with American teens rather than a problem with any particular race?
Again: USA ≠ the world.
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Christopher Columbus,
I just new saw a link from New Nation you’ve posted. So yeah, you’re far beyond reason.
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wordynerdygirl,
Well put. It’s not surprising seeing as how America’s pathology is its denial in its white supremacist racism.
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gene willis,
I have no comment towards you, except you’re the same as Columbus.
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@Gene Willis,
Wanna know the gods honest truth ? My best friend to this day put a man in the hospital and done time for playing the game. That’s the truth? Have I put someone in the hospital or worse? Couldn’t tell you. I hope and pray I never did. I grew up and matured into a man. I take full and complete responsibility for everything awful thing I’ve done. From selling this and that, carrying something I shouldnt of carried and everything else. On top of that I nearly went to jail for one of these things. I played my dues and learned. Think about that. We all make mistakes.. it’s how you grow from them.
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@Brothawolf
Of course you would try to dismiss the links. It will not fit your victimhood narrative of black people .
You dismiss facts because you would rather wallow in blaming white people like all these cultural marxist and race baiting liberals do.
You are also suffering from an emotional sickness when discovering history, seek help.
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You are not a slave…I am not a slave master…Only 4% of Americans ever owned a slave(Some of the slave owners were free blacks)The past is gone….It cannot be changed.
Alonzo Rachel will hit you with some knowledge here.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9_nZJfk1lI)
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@ Phoebe
Clearly, white women are fully capable of malice and violence towards people of colour. I did not limit the “white trends” by sex.
On the other hand, the American social order was founded for and by white men , which is why I wrote that sentence the way I did.
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I agree with Christopher Columbus, if we would all just stop talking about bad things and keeping them alive then they would all just go away. Don’t you see that discussing crime is just about making those fatcats in the criminal justice business rich? Maybe if you all stopped whining about murder so much people wouldn’t try to kill you, have you thought of that? Oh your mom was murdered? It’s the past, get over it, you just want to wallow in “fear for your life” and blame others for your problems.
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Why are Afro-Americans silent on current and past atrocities committed against fellow Africans by evil Arabs?
“Saudi family hang Ethiopian maid from hook – brutally beat her”
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ffb_1385169517
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Or, it was founded Abagond, (western social orders), by white men for the benefit of white women, white children and white men.
I seriously think the belief that ONLY white men have a role in this limits Black people from deconstructing this from all angles, thus prolonging our time in a system of racism…
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@ Christopher Columbus
I don’t think that you are seeing both sides of the issue yourself.
Are some Blacks excessive in blaming Whites as the cause of ALL of their problems? Of course. But that doesn’t mean that it’s futile to look at the history that caused some of the problems.
You see, long before their was anyone making a living by teaching, speaking, or writing about White prejudice and it’s effects, there were many more people teaching, speaking, and making a living from the propagation of the theories of Black inferiority. So the Pro-White / Anti-Black RACE INDUSTRY is much older, much larger, and has raised much more money for its practitioners over the years.
It’s important for you to understand and acknowledge that the “White Race Industry” came first, and has been the more powerful. Only then do you have the correct context through which to look at excesses in the “Black Race Industry.” That admission alone should slow you down and calm you down.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak1SlHjFBbU#t=61)
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bahwhahwa
ok ok so is Christopher colombus formerly poster October? Because he/she/ it keeps choosing names to a day/ month that has already passed. so yeah why listen to someone telling us to get with the times get over the past when they themselves are behind on dates.
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“I agree with Christopher Columbus, if we would all just stop talking about bad things and keeping them alive then they would all just go away.
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Maybe if you all stopped whining about murder so much people wouldn’t try to kill you, have you thought of that?”
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@Joaquin
Are YOU a white person?
I ask this because it’s usually (in my experience) a white person who makes this sort of blank-minded, empty-skulled type of statement … that it’s the victim that causes their own mistreatment. Blacks and other folks of color seldom say such nonsense, like: “if we would all just stop talking about bad things and keeping them alive then they would all just go away.”
Can you please explain in detail how you LOGICALLY reached your conclusion regarding how complaining about murder makes people want to kill …. ??
According to your way of thinking, the original native inhabitants of the Americas must have somehow talked Europeans (Columbus and company) into sailing to their lands to decimate their population and take their land and wealth.
Apparently these backward thinking people must have talked about Columbus a little too much, right??
Happy Turkey Day Everyone!
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@Matari
The original Native Americans lost their land either by it being uninhabited, trade or war. They have no claim to this land.
Remember this….The actions of our great European Settlers resulted in the greatest country on Earth! The US of A.
Back on topic
I see everyone seems to ignores Mr. Rachel’s truth contained in his videos smh
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@ Methusalem
who asked: “Why are Afro-Americans silent on current and past atrocities committed against fellow Africans by evil Arabs?
“Saudi family hang Ethiopian maid from hook – brutally beat her”
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ffb_1385169517
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I believe it’s the same reason blacks who descended from slavery (like me) are still practicing slave traditions (like Thanksgiving) instead of our original African traditions.
Our links to our past have been completely broken. Most of us do not know who we are or where we came from because everything that made us a PEOPLE was taken from us during 400 years of chattel slavery and replaced with a degraded and false identity by our slave-owners.
We still have slave names that we pass along to our children, and we still practice slave religions and slave traditions (the ones our slave-owners gave us). This is not a put-down, I am simply speaking the truth.
That is ALSO why we think nothing of spending our dollars with Arab-owned stores because we don’t understand or know the history of Arabs enslaving Africans in the past AND the present. Arabs are committing GENOCIDE and all kinds of atrocies against African people as I write this.
That is why I refuse to let them fry my fish OR my hair. Not because I hate them (I don’t) but because even in the U.S., you can see their attitudes toward blacks are disrespectful and especially towards black females — and those of you who have Arab merchants in your area know what I’m talking about.
Our NUMBNESS to the disrespect at the hands of those who KNOW our true history is all part of being a people who do not know who they are — other than what racist man and racist woman have TOLD us we are.
That’s why we still seek VALIDATION of our humanity from anyone who is NOT black as long as they have lighter skin and straighter hair. That is why we’re so proud to be seen in their company OR on their arm because it makes us feel more VALUABLE to be with or around someone whose identity is INTACT
BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW WHO WE ARE
We have gone from blacks (during slavery), to coloreds to Negroes to Afro-Americans to African-Americans and back to blacks (hmmm?) and our names are typically the names of our Scottish, English, and Irish owners, overseers, and serial rapists, like Washington and Jefferson.
That’s why i don’t call myself an Afro- OR an African-American — because I know I am not considered NOR am I treated as a U.S. citizen. Otherwise, why would blacks need a SEPARATE ACT (legislation) to guarantee my “right” to vote or to be treated “civilly” (Civil Rights Act?)
the last reason as to why we’re silent–all this is my opinion–is we have been deluded into thinking the interests of white americans are the same as ours and to cement that deal, the white elites CREATED the Obama presidency in part to lock in the support of blacks to WHATEVER policies Obama carries out against non-white people and nations.
I asked black people at my job after the leader of Libya (an AFRICAN NATION) was killed and some supported it JUST BECAUSE Obama’s name was on it. Had it been Geo Bush, I believe they would have seen it for what it was and an entirely different opinion. So, I said (maybe wrongly) — WHY call yourself an “African American” when you don’t care about AFRICAN PEOPLE?
So, my answer (which is too long as usual) to your question is — we don’t know WHO we are, and are therefore cannot identify to any real degree with our brothers and sisters in Africa
Many american-born blacks still link African people with the FALSELY CREATED images of African people who was always poor and illiterate and primitive and in need of white support and the comedy fodder in Tarzan movies. We have been deliberately discouraged from unifying and identifying with our African sisters and brothers because of the POTENTIAL of such a powerful and self-esteem-restoring alliance.
I pray one day that this will change. (and I’ll check out your link)
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@King
Nice video but there seems to be a one sided blame game going on in it.
Here check out this video…and the truth it contains.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrxmdjaK7Cs)
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^ talk about ignoring…
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@ Methusalem
Maybe you should search my blog for “Arab” instead of assuming and derailing my threads.
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OFF TOPIC: Arabs, slavery, Africa
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@ abagond
(sorry about that, will stay on topic)
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“The original Native Americans lost their land either by it being uninhabited, trade or war. They have no claim to this land.”
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C. Columbus
Your reading/interpretation/comprehensiveness skills are horribly lacking!
It’s probably best that you not respond to any questions that aren’t directed at you. Your inability to give a cohesive response to questions/topics here are as embarrassingly glaring as calling yourself initially, a month, and next, a monster (Columbus).
You do know that no one here is buying that *troll swill* you’re peddling.
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@Christopher Columbus
And your proof that he is Puerto Rican comes from where? Oh because his friends are black? For all you know he could actually be Jewish.
“Also, doesn’t abagond have a broken record about “hey they did it too” ? lol”—My argument is not that they did it too so it would not apply. You attempted to claim (and let me quote you so you can see how foolish you look) “There have been cases all over the country about this racist, criminal game all the perpetrators are black youths.”
1. For starter it has not been cases all over the country because as I noted and so have others that it is not happening in their areas. So you are wrong and you lost this one
2. You made the claim that the perps were all black youths. You were wrong in that as well as my link not only show an arrest of a non-black youth but in the article it stated clearly primarily black. Do you know what primarily means or am I dealing with an idiot pretending to be smart?
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I hope you have a plan of action to save face Christopher Columbus. Because once my comment comes out of moderation you are going to need to.
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@Christopher Columbus
Now I did further research and it turns out…he is not Puerto Rican at all, so that completely debunks your claim again. Another thing I want to notify you of, just because you decide a person is not white does not mean that is not what they can or will be classified in the arrest reports.
You made quite a few claims and I have thus far proven all of them wrong. Laugh it off if you choose, but it a crying shame when low IQ is a joke.
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@Sharina
Of course that is true…White crime statistics are bloated because they want to include non-white Hispanics. White Hispanics are on par with whites as far as crime(LOW CRIME RATES).
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He isn’t white but doesn’t it really matter? He adopted the black pathologies that molded his mindset to commit crime.
You have proven nothing wrong….You are just doing what most liberals and race hustlers do….deflect and point blame to the white man.
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1) We need to believe in ourselves and invest in our selves.
2) We need to strengthen and build our neighborhoods.
3) We need to educate ourselves and our children beyond what we can get in any school, college, or church.
4) We need to strengthen and build our own businesses, institutions, and media.
5) We may need to arm ourselves. Seriously arm ourselves.
Simple things we can do right now?
1) Stop calling each other bitches, hoes, n——, and other offensive words. Curb the public use of profanity of all kinds.
2) Stop littering and/or defacing the properties in our communities.
3) Be supportive and encouraging of family, friends, and neighbors. Is it so hard to greet each other and say hello?
4) Moderate or eliminate altogether our intake of tobacco, alcohol, pot, junk food, and mainstream media.
5) Pool our resources and begin buying land/property and developing it for our use. One million people contributing $1 per month is $12 million dollars a year. One hundred thousand people contributing $10 a month is the same. More people = more money. Stretch that out over a couple of years, and that’s a lot of dough. We could buy a lot of property with that kind of money.
6) Lead by example, and be mentors.
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Also stand tall and walk proud. We are an amazing people. We shouldn’t be ashamed or afraid of presenting ourselves as such.
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Christopher Columbus.
Of course you would try to dismiss the links. It will not fit your victimhood narrative of black people .
You dismiss facts because you would rather wallow in blaming white people like all these cultural marxist and race baiting liberals do.
You are also suffering from an emotional sickness when discovering history, seek help.
P.S.
You are not a slave…I am not a slave master…Only 4% of Americans ever owned a slave(Some of the slave owners were free blacks)The past is gone….It cannot be changed.
Alonzo Rachel will hit you with some knowledge here.
No, I’ll tell you what’s up. You are desperately wanting us to listen to your broken record comments and take them in as truth. And when we argue, you accuse us of being racist and lash out like a spoiled child, crying for us to pay attention to you and your white victimhood logic, not paying a hint of attention to what was said to you and not caring. As proof, I never said that I was a slave and you’re a slavemaster, but you sure sound like a member of a hate group, nonetheless.
I don’t want to hear your token black explanations. You only chose him because what he says is what you LIKE to hear.
You can’t stand to hear about white racism. You even try to tell yourself that it no longer exists. Instead, you want to scrounge around for any and all cause of black-on-white crime and violence and promote collective and racial shame on us to make you feel better. That’s what it’s all about. I’ve seen it many times before.
But you won’t admit it. You so stuck in whiteness, you’re blind and bitter. You don’t even want to know ‘why’, let alone how to fix the problem you and your kind love to bring up without solutions. You just choose, pick and post to state your case and make us feel guilty for having our own space where we can discuss racism away from people like you. So, you come in here to ruin them. That’s what’s up.
Now, did I leave anything out?
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Christopher Columbus,
You chose this topic because it plays directly into your black pathology of violent. It’s something you love dearly. And if the victims are white, that makes it sweeter. Yet, you seem to be unaware about how morbid that is, especially since – like so many racists – are worried so much about blacks that you purposely turn a blind eye to white crime. To you, white crime hardly exist or is not relevant to the conversation of saving whites. It makes no sense at all. You seem to care about white people, but you don’t seem to care about them unless a black person is involved. That is a half-a**ed consternation. And you know it. You want to deny it for your personal benefit.
You even deny that there are those of us here, in this blog alone, that is concerned about this topic. But no. You won’t see that, because that doesn’t fit your white racist image of black degenerates out for blood against innocent whites. SMH.
Now, it you want to continue with this extremist need to convince us to worry about your people when it’s clear to even third graders that your people don’t care about us, go right ahead. But don’t blame us when you get humiliated. 🙂
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Folks, ignore this ‘Christopher Columbus’, he is a postule on a diseased pair of buttocks. Ignore him and he will eventually dissipate like a foul sulfuric stench.
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@Christopher Columbus
Nice try at saving face but no cigar.
“Of course that is true”—What you said was not true. The guys name is
“White crime statistics are bloated because they want to include non-white Hispanics.”—What does that have to do with what you claimed? You are arguing Hispanics when the guy that committed the act is not even Hispanic.
“White Hispanics are on par with whites as far as crime(LOW CRIME RATES).”—That is amazing and how is it you can tell the difference between a white Hispanic, a white person, and a non-white Hispanic. Obviously you are failing in that because the guy is not Hispanic yet you are trying so darn hard to make him just that (I would put in here what he is but I think you need to do research).
“He isn’t white but doesn’t it really matter?”—-I am sorry but don’t really understand what you are asking here. Work on this and resubmit.
“He adopted the black pathologies that molded his mindset to commit crime.”—Regardless of what his mindset is (which isn’t some black pathology as you claim) he committed the crime and was not black so your bs argument fails and fails again.
“You have proven nothing wrong….You are just doing what most liberals and race hustlers do….deflect and point blame to the white man.”—Actually what you did here and in all your posts was deflect (I suggest you spend time defining what this is before attempting to use it as a rebuttal). If you had the mental capacity to understand what was actually going on then you would easily realize that not once did I place blame on the white man (though you are free to quote where I have). In fact I spent the whole time debunking all you ridiculous claims in which you can not seem to sustain, but instead play the blame game yourself. Please do not project your inabilities on me.
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Some of you are making valid points here. My bottom line is people have died because of this. Dismissing it… because at least according to all the reports I’ve seen (and I didn’t cherry pick), It’s mostly black kids doing this, won’t stop this behavior. My Dismissing it, you are giving them quarter.
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dave,
The bottom line here is that yes, people have died from it. That’s true. HOWEVER, this game, contrary to current media reporting is nothing new, nor is it limited to only being a “mostly black” thing. There’s a history behind assaults like this as pointed out in the article I linked to a few days ago. All have different names, but it ends with pain and death nonetheless, and some of them have white perpetrators.
Another thing is that if you take in what the news says and not ask questions and/or research, you will ultimately let the news rule your thinking and even scare you.
The news is biased when it comes to crimes. Most of the reporting on crimes involve youth of color, and it’s known to be overreported in relation to actual crimes being committed. But watching it, you would think that there is a crime wave committed by black youth. It’s no different than how it was during the era of the Black Codes 200 years ago.
NO ONE, as far as I know, is excusing or dismissing the crimes itself. What IS being dismissed is that it’s new, spreading and caused by black youth at large when black violent crime has been dropping in recent years.
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@ Dave
If you look upthread, there is a poster called Slim who admits to having participated in just such a game several years ago. As you read you will notice that he is both repentant and ashamed of his actions. A few other posters admonished him to take personal responsibility for his actions. Nowhere did anyone condone, excuse, incite or encourage his actions.
Nobody here is behind this sort of thing. But what is being discussed is the bigger picture of how such reprehensible incidents, by individuals can be used to marginalize and ramp up fear.
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Ok, so now the ‘knockout game’ being picked up by the Australian media:
(http://www.smh.com.au/world/kinghit-attacks-around-us-probed-for-link-to-knockout-game-20131123-2y26m.html)
Dave, you might also find this following article interesting. It talks about a new ‘king hit’ (the Aussie term for sucker punch) law being brought in here. Strangely enough, the idea for the law started from a sad case where a guy was randomly punched in the head and killed.
(http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/nsw-introduces-king-hit-law-after-outcry-over-thomas-kelly-sentence/story-e6frgczx-1226758191594)
I hope you notice that both the perpetrator and the victim were white. I really don’t think that your conspiracy theory is accurate.
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*is being. Sorry for the typos.
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@ grin and bear it
I agree with all those suggestions.
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“King hit”?????? I don’t think I like the sound of that!
I do not approve.
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@ King hehe 🙂
Anyway, the article proves the point you’ve been making all along in this thread. There are horrible, violent teenagers of every race and in every country.
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@Matari
First of all, as I stated in my earlier post, I am of Latino/indigenous heritage.
Second, you didn’t actually think I was being sincere about that did you? I had thought it was obvious I was mocking Christopher Columbus’s cartoonishly ridiculous arguments about race. I would hope you’d give my intelligence the benefit of the doubt at least to the extent that you’d second guess the the earnestness of me stating that murder and other crime would go away if we just ignored it. Racism benefits whites, just like robbing people benefits criminals, and pretending you aren’t being victimized in either case is about as effective as in the other. Again, I don’t want to be a douche and question your intelligence, as I’ve seen your posts before and know you not to be stupid, but perhaps being a little more observant of undertones in a post might serve you well in the future.
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@Abagond
You should do a post on this whole sharkeisha thing, it sure is stirring up a lot of talk on the Internet, and I think it’s a perfect example of how America loves to blow up examples of Blacks acting according to whites beloved modern day coon show stereotypes of being violent, ignorant, and\or buffoonish. It’s got everyone laughing at an assault too.
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@christopher Columbus.
You may have white privilege but you’re still scum to the white elite. I love the arrogance of white Americans. Your empire is falling my friend. 17.15 trillion dollars debt and 15.68 trillion dollars GDP. America can’t go on. African countries are already starting nuclear programmes if you didn’t know. All in preparation for when the dollar is worthless and Africa stop trading with the west and improve trading relations with China. So if you invade Africa, hopefully your precious country will be nuked from all four corners of the world. My black brothers and sisters, if your skills are not valued here, invest in gold and properties abroad, take your wealth to Africa where it’s needed and can grow much faster than in that hellhole Amurderkkka. Your skills will be much more useful in Africa. The shift is happening, be conscious but @coloumbus is right, do not wear victim hood as a badge of honor, we were scientists, mathematicians and kings before we were slaves, remember that. We should go back to Africa like they tell us to.
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How is this a “new” trend?
I’ve been jumped twice in the past 20 years by “youths”, and in both cases it was in a predominantly black neighborhood where it was well known that this sort of thing regularly happens if you’re white.
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http://www.blackmediascoop.com/no-sharkeisha-fight-video-goes-viral/
“SHARKEISHA FIGHT VIDEO BLAMED FOR SUICIDE”
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@ Dave
If you watch television you would think crime is mainly a black thing. IT IS NOT. Many people in television news are RACIST. You are basing your conclusions on THEIR ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE.
In the news stories I saw about knockout games, it was almost always black-on-white. That right there is a huge red flag since most crime is INTRA-racial. The press to date has given no evidence that this is somehow the exception. Some assaults seem to be hate crimes, yes, but most were not.
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Dave.. please come to Medford massachusetts. Please do.
The knockout game is pretty popular here. They call it superman. Medford is far from ghetto. If you are the victim of it in this town, you’re most likely white. The kids doing are white. You won’t find many black kids here at all tbh.
What then do you blame it on?
Also, where are the news reports for these “trends” amongst white males:
* shooting up an entire establishment, killing innocents
* pedophilia, because whenever I see a child missing, or raped it is by a white guy, or white couple
Why are these “trends” being swept under the rug as if they are less heinous?
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Yeah, I graduated from Tufts. 😛
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“Second, you didn’t actually think I was being sincere about that did you? I had thought it was obvious I was mocking Christopher Columbus’s cartoonishly ridiculous arguments about race. I would hope you’d give my intelligence the benefit of the doubt at least to the extent that you’d second guess the the earnestness of me stating that murder and other crime would go away if we just ignored it.”
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Joaquin:
Oops! My apologizes.
Sometimes I don’t get to read ALL the posts in a thread, and oftentimes miss a few, here and there. Like your earlier post. I took your post that I read and responded to at face value. Not knowing or seeing you before, I was compelled to reply the way I did. My bad! Your mocking tone seemed as REAL as the lame-brains trolls that come here pushing their silly backwards thinking. I’d say you got their spiel down, pat! : )
And yeah, these clowns deserve to be mocked outta here!
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*My apologies.
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Abagond:
Haven’t you observed that the media has almost universally obfuscated the race of the perpetrators?
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@ Dave
Let’s be honest. Your whole point was to cherry pick. I don’t see you as remotely riled up on cases were the perp is white so let’s not pretend. No one has dismissed what is happening but you are dismiss that whites have engaged and probably still are engaged in this game too. The problem is not a black one alone as you have consecutively tried to make it. The problem is a teen problem and the question is how to fix it or do we fix it as you are trying to by claiming it is a black thing? If you are going to take that road then you have no room to try and tell others what they are dismissing.
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@Randy
“I’ve been jumped twice in the past 20 years by “youths”, and in both cases it was in a predominantly black neighborhood”—This begs the question of had it been a predominantly white neighborhood and they were doing this does it mean that it is a black only thing or a thing that only leaves whites as the target?
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@ Randy
I can almost guarantee you that in those same neighborhoods, many more Blacks were jumped. Its also probable that there are Whites who have passed through those communities who were not bothered at all.
You have to start by looking at these as predominantly high-crime communities first, and only secondarily as racial enclaves. People of all races get jumped, mugged, and harassed, more often when they traverse high-crime areas. In this country, a disproportionate amount of poor neighborhoods are Black.
If you want to know how and why that occurred then I’ll explain it to you, but for now, I’ll spare you the obvious history lesson.
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@Matari
It’s all good haha, sometimes I don’t read things carefully enough before I respond.
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Sharina:
I don’t know the answer to your question.
I suspect that white people in black neighborhoods face additional risk of assault because it’s observable that they’re not locals, and as such, are less likely to effectively retaliate. It’s simply easier and less risky to victimize an outsider.
King:
But do white people get harassed more in high-crime predominantly black neighborhoods than black people in high-crime predominantly black neighborhoods? Your comment suggests that you think “no”, and if so I’d disagree. As mentioned in my reply to Sharina, being white in a black neighborhood pegs you as an obvious outsider.
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@Randy,
“But do white people get harassed more in high-crime predominantly black neighborhoods than black people in high-crime predominantly black neighborhoods? Your comment suggests that you think “no”, and if so I’d disagree.”
You can disagree all you want but, Sharina is right and you are wrong because the data is clear that crime is mostly intra-racial.
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I’ve been jumped twice in the past 20 years by “youths”, and in both cases it was in a predominantly black neighborhood where it was well known that this sort of thing regularly happens if you’re white.
If you knew you would be jumped, why were you there? Looking for action? Also, were you on vacation?
Haven’t you observed that the media has almost universally obfuscated the race of the perpetrators?
They don’t have to, they just have to show pictures and or videos. Based upon the whites already racist stereotyping, they will be able to draw their own inferences much as you do.
I suspect that white people in black neighborhoods face additional risk of assault because it’s observable that they’re not locals, and as such, are less likely to effectively retaliate. It’s simply easier and less risky to victimize an outsider.
This is bullsh^t. If you are a longtime denizon of the neighbourhood, you will be left alone because most of your neighbours know you. Otherwise it is as King says, if in a high crime neighbourhood, there is a likelier chance of being accosted. Even then there are many factors involved such as the time of day,for example. It could also be they saw you coming, recognized you as a weirdo and proceeded to protect their neighbourhood from you incessant barrage of verbiage. Maybe they were bored that day, take your pick. Your a hoot!
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@Matati
Another thing, I’m baffled as to how these guys think arguments that ridiculous can fly, like, if I told some white parent whose kid was being bullied in school that it’s probably the kids own fault, that the kids probably exaggerating or making things up, and that if they stopped complaining so much things might get better, they’d lose their sh*t.
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dang Joaquin i’d never heard of that video I saw it and smh. wtf is wrong with people. I know that even if there were one percent of black ppl acting like this they’d still over report it and say black ppl u need to fix this before u can get justice, they’d still use it as a way to make all black ppl look bad. I have no respect for black ppl that act that way and attack each other like that.
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Not by the numbers. But it’s apples and oranges anyway. You obviously have a lot more Black people who live in those neighborhoods 24/7 so they are more likely to be the victims of crimes that occur there. They are also clearly more susceptible to fall victim to wrong place/wrong time incidents
Not, only that, but Black gang members more often mistake other Blacks as being affiliated with rival gangs. The amount of people beaten, stabbed, and shot because they were thought to be somebody else, or because they were dressed the wrong way, is certainly a factor.
Now, are White people sometimes targeted just because they are White? Yes, that sometimes happens—but honestly, the majority of the time there are other factors involved. Being pegged as “an outsider” is often more safe than being pegged as “an insider.”
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@Randy
Even though you did not answers my question, you did give me a little to ponder on so thank you.
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@ks
I think that was king who hit that one.
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@ Randy
On the obfuscation thing I agree with Herneith.
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The naysayers are busy trying to tell us that no matter what, the news is right. Not environmental and location factors. Not history. And not even the reality that this is not limited to racial lines or other circumstances.
The argument is always that the news must be right or, “I was a victim of black crime once and I’m white.”
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@Brothawolf
Funny how they want to claim the news is right, but let an unreported crime of a white victim go by and we here all hell about the liberal media and how the news lies.
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King:
As you suggest, it’s not easy to unpack “stranger violence” by the raw numbers, given that locals in high crime communities quite obviously spend more time exposed to potential violence than non-locals.
Intuitively though, I think your reasoning is incorrect. Consider the most common advice given to those going into rough places: “try to blend in”. I’ve never heard it given as “try to stand out”.
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Well again, hear what I’m saying Randy. As a Black man traveling through a high-crime, inner-city neighborhood, I automatically would worry about:
-Being seen as a rival or threat to someone spoiling for trouble
-As a potential member of a rival gang
-Being mistaken for someone else who someone has a personal beef with
-Walking down the street with the wrong guy when his luck runs out
-Looking like I’m too chummy with a dangerous person’s girlfriend
These are all a result of looking like I’m part of the hood, and a participant in the shenanigans that go on there. I’m not saying that a person who looks like they don’t belong is 100% safe either, but they usually don’t think you’re a Crip, and you don’t happen to look too much like that guy who owes them money.
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Joaquin wrote:
“if I told some white parent whose kid was being bullied in school that it’s probably the kids own fault, that the kids probably exaggerating or making things up, and that if they stopped complaining so much things might get better, they’d lose their sh*t,”
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Great analogy, and I totally agree. but I can also imagine some white racist reading it and thinking, “yeah, but that’s different”.
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Sharina,
Funny how they want to claim the news is right, but let an unreported crime of a white victim go by and we here all hell about the liberal media and how the news lies.
Good point.
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Hmmm, this seems as stupid as that game where you throw your friend in the path of on coming traffic. Yes, it was big at my high school my freshman year. Or shame to admit it but as a dumb teenager whose frontal lobes weren’t fully develop we use to dare each other to stand on the top of a moving car. Teenagers of all shades do dumb things. Add a little color to the mix and now we got a menace to society. I don’t doubt that somewhere this game is a reality, but it is probably a micro-pocket of some different place. I doubt that it is just black teens because in the case of teenagers it is monkey see, monkey do no matter what shade they are. It is just the media trying to scare us.
@Trojan Pam, I grew up in Chicago it is the best place to see racism live in your face and kicking.
@Randy, please for the love god start being more aware of your surrounding. People who get jumped usually get jumped because they weren’t paying attention. Plus, I have to say usually they look like victims or someone who is easy to prey on.
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Its probably one ten-thousandth of one percent of kids white , black, or anything in between that have engaged or had anything to do with this. I was more mad when I heard some elderly people were targeted. Also if you were to see a small percentage of whites doing this , even if they weren’t the only ones, you guys would be up in arms. I’m just saying to condemn this. If white kids are doing it too then they should be just as condemned.
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Herneith:
A claim of media racism might apply if the media were deliberately highlighting assault perpetrators who are black. As I pointed out, the media seems to be attempting to eliminate race from descriptions of the crime.
That the perpetrators we’ve on video footage have been black appears to be the result of them being black. That’s reality, not racism.
As for me being assaulted for looking like a weirdo, I’m so congenial in appearance and presentation that I was once mistaken for being Canadian.
King:
I’m hearing you clearly. I’m suggesting that you with your particular set of risks are likely to face less danger than me with my particular set of risks should we both find ourselves as strangers in a high crime inner-city neighborhood.
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Black crime is down.. that to me is what is shameful about this. It’s the ultimate sucker punch on the person who is least suspecting. It sort of puts us backwards. Now maybe you are right to say the media is blowing this out of proportion. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen at all. It sort of like saying well school shootings are so rare there is no reason to make a stink about Sandy Hook… Yet they use that to confiscate guns.
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@dave
“Yet they use that to confiscate guns.”—I still have all my fire arms so who is confiscating guns? On top of that they still tried to excuse the shooter as a mentally unstable individual. Not a cold calculated killer as he was.
Who is saying it did not happen at all? Please point this cat out to us. No one is denying it is happening, but I see you are ignoring me when I said what is America going to do about it’s youth. You ignore me and continue to try to convince yourself that it is only black youth. Which proves the exact point that many have made in here about you.
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@dave
You are the only one I see condeming and dismissing.
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Yes, but your suggestion is based on a guess and no facts. There is no way that you can know that, and the numbers that are available to us would support the opposite conclusion, if any.
My own guess is that you have simply invested much more time in contemplating the risks to yourself, and have not seriously considered the higher number of risks that the people who live in the ghetto face. You have looked at the ghetto as a kind of modern Briar Patch, in which the chocolate rabbits can be thrown into without facing significant risk to themselves:
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Sharina
You ignore me and continue to try to convince yourself that it is only black youth. Which proves the exact point that many have made in here about you.
dave’s posted are recognisable because they are almost always hysterical and raving, either about the ‘oppressors in suits’ or about black people and crime. He wants people on here to take responsiblity for the crimes of a few individuals even though for years I am sad to admit, white people have committed many wrongs and ills. There is a hypocrisy in all of his posts where he wants black people to not be angry/upset/ with their treatment and certainly not to retaliate yet they are justifiable angry or upset for things where they are trying to get on in life and they are still being treated ‘differently’ because of their race. I saw this on one of the Zimmerman threads where, instead of the misjustice that had taken place when Trayvon was killed, he was simply worried about an uprising.
On the one hand he knows how it feels to be powerless and without a voice, and this is where he is able to have a something in common with PoC on this blog. However, his motivation is self serving and, from what I have seen, has no genuine interest in the plight of PoC –
Dont waste your time Sharina.
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This to me seems like a tactic on the part of the media to create paranoia and continue to fuel the racist agenda of white supremacy in America. It is just one more tactic to polarize America and keep people in fear.
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@Omnipresent
You are right and I think at this point I have to throw up the “why bother” hands. He acts as if he is concerned but in all honesty he is not. In my research I have come across blacks who have been the victim of knockout from whites so it is not a black thing as the resident trolls would like the world to believe.
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@mary burrell
I believe that is exactly what it is. I am surprised that this has been going on for as long as it has yet I am recently hearing about it.
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A claim of media racism might apply if the media were deliberately highlighting assault perpetrators who are black. As I pointed out, the media seems to be attempting to eliminate race from descriptions of the crime.
They don’t have to Randy, all they have to do is show the pictures/videos. It is suggestive advertising. Racist whites will draw their own inferences as to what they are looking at and gleefully assume that it is mostly blacks perpretrating this or other crimes. It is like watching commericials about household cleaning products. One would assume that it was only women who did any household chores and cleaning. The commercial doesn’t have to blatently state this.
That the perpetrators we’ve on video footage have been black appears to be the result of them being black. That’s reality, not racism.
The media chooses what stories they choose to broadcast. I don’t trust them as far as I can metaphorically throw them!
As for me being assaulted for looking like a weirdo, I’m so congenial in appearance and presentation that I was once mistaken for being Canadian.
I suppose all Canadians are white? As for Canadians being congenial, I can assure you they are not. They are just more subtle and ‘polite’ if you account for subterfuge being ‘congenial ‘ .
Also, were you on vacation?
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I don’t doubt that this doesn’t happen, but it is probably minuscule. It’s just the tactic of racist internet trolls to promote their racist mindsets and racist agendas.
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Whites just want to kill all Blacks. While stealing our culture and acting as though they have some part of it, or as if it’s all inclusive. Ask Eminem and all other assorted (white rapper) Vanilla Ice wannabes.
They use this “knockout game” nonsense as their propoganda. They want to be able to shoot us dead whenever they want. They always have. History proves me right. I don’t give a damn if these liars don’t put it in their textbooks.
Black People need to stop with this assimilationist BS. They can’t be trusted and we all know that. Better get your guns now before they make firearm ownership illegal for us.
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@average bee
You might want to make yourself sound like a black anti-white racist, but you sound just a little too much like the white trolls in your thinking. I have a suspicion you’re a white troll trying to misrepresent people of color an provide your own fuel for the white supremacist derailers.
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@average bee
The reason I say this is because a violent race war is exactly what the fanatical stormfront/tea party types want, and being quick to use brutality and violence in service of their cause is a really common theme in whites thinking. It’s just like in the old days when the cops and FBI would send their own man undercover into peaceful organizations and their demonstrations to stir up violence. I don’t advocate the “try to get along with them we’re all brothers and sisters” attitude, I agree that people of color first need to take concerted, persistent, and aggressive measures to reduce the dominance of whites(and the corporate interests through which they build their power) before any getting along can happen, but that’s through increasing our own independent political and economic bases of power in our own communities, and calling out their meddling as loudly as possible when we see it, not by giving them an easy excuse to send in the army and mow us down along with our women and children.
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@ Randy
You keep making it sound like some kind of cover-up.
Most reputable news organizations will not give a person’s race unless race matters to the story somehow. So they will give the race in, say, a hate crime but not in a bank robbery. And if race does matter they are supposed to make clear how.
The other case where they will give out the race is when a suspect is still at large and it is part of the police description
But this hardly stops the press from making the race known. They can show mugshots, sketches, videos, courtroom scenes, arrests, etc. Television news craves video.
Surely you are not that naive.
The news is reality as edited by white people. It could easily be racist: you do not know which videos they had and which they chose to use and why.
Television in general over-reports black crime, so you got to take stuff like that with a grain of salt..
In any case, at best it is anecdotal evidence. You can hardly draw any statistical conclusions from it.
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“In any case, at best it is anecdotal evidence. You can hardly draw any statistical conclusions from it.”
I thought using statistics was something bad – what the deal?
“The great thing about statistics is that they seem so objective and yet get rid of all the context: the drug trade, racist policemen and judges, bad policing, racial profiling, poverty, etc. Context only matters when white people do bad stuff. When black people do bad stuff, it is because something is wrong with them. That is not racist, that is just Reality.” – Abagond’s broken record department.
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on Wed 27 Nov 2013 at 18:55:11 TrojanPam
@ Mack
No problem, I appreciate bluntness
What do we do and how can we get others to do it? Without making my response too long (since this is not my blog) this is what I believe.
Whenever people ask me what we should do, what they usually mean (not saying this is you)
is WHAT is the quick and easy solution to this problem so I can get back to my life?
The first thing I always advise is to EDUCATE ourselves about the real problem and that — in my opinion — is Racism/White Supremacy. Every problem black people have can be traced back to the effects of racism, starting with chattel slavery. You can’t fix something when you don’t know what’s broken.
I love you pam, you’re so consistent. I love the way you mind read into Mack’s comments, then answer a question he didn’t ask. Let me ask, what happens when you’ve succedded in EDUCATING every black in the world, that all of their problems are the fault of white people and white supremacy? Will that lift them from poverty? Will that clean up their rat infested neighborhoods, prevent their children from working with crappy school systems, improve the poor food resources in their communities that cause possible health problems, and protect them from walking around junkies all day etc? (hat tip to DeepFried_BlackmansHolyGrail).
I don’t think it will pam – it will make more disillusioned, disgruntled, dysfunctional citizens of the black community. Your type of EDUCATING hasn’t been too successful these past decades, do you think you’re ready to try something else?
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Thu 28 Nov 2013 at 22:17:29 grin and bear it said:
So, what do we do, how do we do it and how can we get others to do it?
1) We need to believe in ourselves and invest in our selves.
2) We need to strengthen and build our neighborhoods.
3) We need to educate ourselves and our children beyond what we can get in any school, college, or church.
4) We need to strengthen and build our own businesses, institutions, and media.
5) We may need to arm ourselves. Seriously arm ourselves.
Simple things we can do right now?
1) Stop calling each other bitches, hoes, n——, and other offensive words. Curb the public use of profanity of all kinds.
2) Stop littering and/or defacing the properties in our communities.
3) Be supportive and encouraging of family, friends, and neighbors. Is it so hard to greet each other and say hello?
4) Moderate or eliminate altogether our intake of tobacco, alcohol, pot, junk food, and mainstream media.
5) Pool our resources and begin buying land/property and developing it for our use. One million people contributing $1 per month is $12 million dollars a year. One hundred thousand people contributing $10 a month is the same. More people = more money. Stretch that out over a couple of years, and that’s a lot of dough. We could buy a lot of property with that kind of money.
6) Lead by example, and be mentors.
2. on Thu 28 Nov 2013 at 22:23:55 grin and bear it
Also stand tall and walk proud. We are an amazing people. We shouldn’t be ashamed or afraid of presenting ourselves as such.
Grin and Bear it – I applaud and agree with your post 100%. That is a reasonable approach to affect change in a community and one that I think has been proven successful in many instances (Mormon’s, Amish, Jewish groups come to mind). There are no fingers pointing outward, just a mindset turned inward. I think you’re on the right track.
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@ Riverside Rob, you know I am not really old. In fact I still haven’t reached 40 so please think before typing. Most of those supposedly rat infested neighborhoods weren’t rat infested until Government cut backs. Which actually really happen because of white flight. Up until the late seventies you could find what use to be called Clean-up days around many cities in America. It was basically where the communities cleaned up the neighborhoods it had quite the festive atmosphere. Along came city cutback and those days were cut. Ignorant comments are worst than punches. Someone will believe you long after you have learned the correct information later.
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@King of Trouble
People ignore Riverside Rob simply because he is ignorant. I would say someone of a 5th grade education has more common sense than he chooses to display on these boards.
He believes all black neighborhoods are in poor inner city hoods or ghettos (at this point don’t care).
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@ Jefe
who said in response to my posts on black inmates cleaning up BP oil spill:
“I thought most of them are on life sentences. Hard to get more time added. He-he.”
Of course not, everyone in Angola Prison is not serving a life sentence. Even if an inmate is serving a life sentence, that doesn’t mean the prison officials should force them to clean up an oil spill for a PRIVATE CORPORATION that would have to PAY people to do it. And to do it without protective clothing is no laughing matter.
Guess I’m confused as to why you thought my post about inmates being mistreated was funny
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@ grin and bear it
Your list of things we can do was very constructive!
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@ King
I don’t know about the area where you live but white people are SAFER in black areas than black people who go into white areas
for one thing, white people represent people of authority, and most black people, especially so-called gang bangers, know they will bring the full weight of the law down on their heads if they mess with white people
The biggest danger to whites in a low-income black area is the same danger that black people face in that area: economic crimes of opportunity by poor young black people, meaning if you find yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time, you look like you have something worth stealing, you will get ripped off whether you are black or white–if that criminal thinks he can get away with it.
the FACT is, most black criminals target OTHER black people, just like most white criminals target other white people. If a white female gets raped, the odds are the rapist was a WHITE MALE, and possibly a family member or family friend. And all the white males who love to quote black on white rape statistics, have a TON of female family members and acquaintances who will tell a different story (if asked.)
Two tip-offs that white people are not as afraid of black neighborhoods as they pretend to be:
1. Drugs– they come to the hood on a regular basis to get their illegal drugs from those big, black, ‘scarey’ black drug dealers. Several years ago a local TV station in Chicago was reporting on a ‘crack-down” on drug dealers and their customers and it was funny as H to see MOST of the customers on the black, gang-infested West Side were white people from the suburbs– the SAME ONES who are soooo scared of poor degenerate black folks in the “hood.” (i really got a chuckle out of that one)
2. Gentrification — all over Chicago, in areas were black people couldn’t even venture out at night without packing or looking over their shoulder — now have all kinds of ‘yuppie-type’ white folks walking their dogs at ten o’clock at night like they don’t have a care in the world.
That’s why I don’t buy the argument that white people are ignorant about racism OR that it’s ignorance that causes racism in white people.
White people know EXACTLY how racism works and what it means to be white, just like they know they can walk down the street in a black area at ten o’clock at night with Poopsie the poodle and most black people are NOT GOING TO MESS WITH THEM — because black people know better
White people know the police are going to come running to their aid if anything goes down at the hands of a black person. And the black criminals know that they will be hunted down like dogs if they touch a hair on those middle-class white folks–and the police will sweep in and shut down those corner drug markets and throw a whole lot of black folks (innocent and guilty) in jail over one white person being harmed.
Remember Chuck Stuart, the white male from Boston who accused a black male of carjacking him and killing his pregnant wife? The Boston police stormed the black neighborhoods, breaking down doors and terrorizing black people over ONE WHITE FEMALE — only it turned out that Chuck Stuart killed his wife not some random black male
The reverse is true for black people in white areas — like Reneisha McBride who got shot in the face with a shotgun just for knocking on a white person’s LOCKED front door — which leads me to the logical conclusion that white people collectively present a far, far greater threat to black people than black people do to white people.
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@ King
Just read your response that you grew up in Chicago –and if anyone wants to get a hard-core taste of racism, that’s the place to spend your early years (among many other places)
Then I bet you know exactly what I mean about all those white folks walking around dangerous black areas like they don’t have a care in the world
while black people still have to have our own backs because we KNOW the police don’t
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@ Dave
I’ve been told the same thing by an ex-boyfriend who used to be a cop, that Chicago has had worst years than this one when it comes to shootings.
Not to say that any number of shootings is a good thing but it seems to me that there is a concerted, nationwide effort by the media and politicians to make it appear that black people are super violent and out of control
and it’s time we start asking ourselves — why?
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Randy,
With all due respect, you sound extremely sheltered from reality to the point where what you see on the news seems like genuine, unbiased objective information to you. It’s not. And it has been documented. Believing in what the news says is almost like believing in what cartoons show, that you can fall off a cliff 3,000 feet high and survive unscathed. I know you’re smart enough to know that’s not possible. So, why not consider that what you see on the news, like the rest of the media is skewed mostly in favor of whites? Why not consider that there are people who decide what gets on TV and what doesn’t, also in favor of whites? Just because you haven’t been taught to think that way, doesn’t mean it’s irrelevant.
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@ Riverside_Rob
Without wasting too much precious time with you, Mack asked ME (not you) a question. If he doesn’t have a problem with my answer, why would you? (unless you’re the blog police)
That scenario you laid out speaks VOLUMES about WHO YOU ARE, not who black people are. That you think poverty and bad schools and food are not the fault of the most powerful (white) people who control all the resources further illustrates the TRUE sociopathic nature of white people collectively, especially those who openly practice racism
The irony (and the truly funny part) of your response is how a growing number of white people are experiencing what black people have been dealing with for decades. POVERTY and JOBLESSNESS.
Speaking of JUNKIES, nobody loves drugs more than white people. That’s a FACT. There are more white heroin, crack cocaine, meth, and prescription drug junkies in the U.S. than all the non-white junkies combined.
Your kids love getting high so much that they are constantly INVENTING new (and crazy) ways to get high, like tying something around the neck until they pass out, pouring vodka in the eyeball to get drunk, sniffing and snorting and ingesting anything they can get their hands on, while the average black youth keeps it simple when they want to get high — either some bud or some booze.
What I find so astounding is how white people with their past AND current history can even THINK about opening their mouths to talk bad about any other group.
Absolutely astounding…
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I was reared in a working class / lower middle class Black neighborhood (meaning, in this instance, that 99% of my neighbors actually worked for a living – as opposed to the belief that persons of the “working class” somehow equal jobless layabouts – and were employed as either blue or pink collar workers, were homeowners who kept a neat yard, lawn and curbside, and that most owned at least one automobile. A good many of the men seemed quite proud to have wives who did not work outside of the home, and several families paid for their children to attend a nearby Catholic school, even though the families themselves were not actualy Catholic but Protestant).
Now, as I do have a fairly good memory of my childhood, I still somehow do not recall any of those rat infestations which one hears tell off so often in white racist wet dreams. And as to walking around junkies at ANY time of the day, this sounds like someone has been watching too many of those old, 70s “Blaxploitation” flicks.
The Public schools in the area, however, were indeed “crappy”… as well as, I might add, crap-tastic and crap-tacular too boot.
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“… pouring vodka in the eyeball to get drunk ….”
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OMG, really?! Here’s hoping it’s not ever tried using Everclear. It’ll melt their eyeballs.
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@ Pay It Forward
Google — pouring vodka into eyes
and you’ll see over a dozen links and YouTube videos
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Speaking of “knock-out games” —
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBpJD5JnaHc)
Racism/White Supremacy is a GLOBAL, WORLDWIDE SYSTEM
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TrojanPam,
Yeah, I just finished checking into that quaint little custom. Pure Insanity, it is.
There was also a video of a young white male attempting to get drunk by consuming a large quantity of hand sanitizer gel, which doubtlessly contains isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol rather than ethyl (drinking) alcohol anyway.
White kids can get quite imbecilic and self-destructive in their neverending quest for the almighty buzz.
It’s probably because they’re white.
(Ahh, I’m seeing the snowflakes as they drift down the page — it’s a nice touch abagond!)
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@ Trojan Pam aren’t you doing the same thing that you’ve been complaining about? That is, cherrypicking youtube videos to prove a point?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: most of the commenters on this site have a VERY USA-centric viewpoint.
For example, it’s disturbing that Average Bee (an extreme example) is calling for more people to arm themselves instead of calling for gun control. I’m sorry to say this but sometimes it seems as though Americans can be a bit impervious to logic where firearms are concerned. Countries that have introduced gun control have seen significant drops in their overall homicide rate – they’re safer.
I live in inner city Sydney and I have never once felt nervous about walking home in the dark – why? Because I know that while I might be mugged the chances that I will be mown down by some nutcase with a gun are remote to non existent.
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@ wordynerdygirl
Please give the quote where I complained about “cherrypicking youtube videos?”
If I’m going to be accused of something, the accuser should be accurate (and not jump to conclusions)
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Dear Sharina and King of Trouble – if you’d both to read and comprehend, I attributed the quote to that who produced it – BlackmansHolyGrail.
Here it is again – to save you the time to look for it “Will that clean up their rat infested neighborhoods, prevent their children from working with crappy school systems, improve the poor food resources in their communities that cause possible health problems, and protect them from walking around junkies all day etc? (hat tip to DeepFried_BlackmansHolyGrail).”
Sharina – your low brow attempts at insult are laughable. Keep swinging though.
King of trouble – how is that government is a requirement for people cleaning their neighborhood? I can tell you’re a young person by that comment alone. Are you suggesting that those cities don’t have a landfill? That garbage can’t be dumped away from where people live? Or are you saying that current ghetto dwellers aren’t interested in cleaning up after themselves?
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@TrojanPam the whole point of the post is that a few youtube videos of a particular behaviour does not constitute a trend. I agree with the original post.
I disagree with your argument that a single youtube video of Canadian police behaving very badly demonstrates that race relations in Canada are as toxic as they are in the USA.
I dislike the assumptions that Americans regularly make about other countries when you have never actually lived in those countries.
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trojan Pam, way to miss the point. BlackmansHolyGrail laid out the scenario – that is why he got hat tip in my post. My point to you dear, is what is the purpose of your educating people that they are victims? I think you’re smart enough to have understood what I was saying, yet you obfuscate and make it about the scene, rather than the dialogue – DISINGENUOUS!
For the last time – what is your goal of EDUCATING people that their problems are the result white supremacy. Please answer that, it’s important.
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Pay it forward – you’re guilty too. Talk about cherry picking the comment section – people, please pay attention. Here’s Deep fried blackmans_HolyGrail post in it’s entirety.
1. on Wed 27 Nov 2013 at 18:49:19 DeepFried_BlackmansHolyGrail
@TrojanPam
EXACTLY. You’re very right about that.
Bill Clinton doesn’t care about black people nor does Hilary. They just kiss a little butt to get the black vote to give the illusion that white people in power give a damn about black problems. Bush, Bill and Hilary etc all went to the same college. They’re all in the same club. I don’t trust em.
As far as the broken family structures you are correct. It’s funny how white people remain ignorant to this stuff and say ” well blacks are just lazy ” and all that nonsense.
Most of those white people are coming from a whole nother world. The apple pie lifestyle ( as in a certain way abagond put it).
Those same white people come on here talking about Abagond being racist because they got their feelings hurt. They act like the universes revolves around their feelings.
They’re not the ones living in rat infested neighborhoods, having their children going to crappy school systems, having poor food resources in their communities that cause possible health problems, waking around junkies all day etc. But they complain because someone hurt their feelings on a blog? C’mon.
Systematic racism has put people in situation where they are bound to fail. Any time blacks gave something to unify themselves it gets destroyed and white people have the nerve to complain like they know how it feels to be oppressed etc. When they benefit in so many ways I this white supremacist society.
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@Trojan Pam
Sorry that you thought I thought the post as a whole was funny. Of course I do not. I am working as a CSR (Corporate Social Responsibility) auditor now and the difficult thing to detect is the use of forced or involuntary labour. So, I am always reading up on it and attending seminars on the problem of involuntary unpaid labour. In fact, the problem of SLAVERY is worse today than it has ever been. There are more slaves today than there were during the entire period of the middle passage and the slavery period of the entire Americas.
So, nothing funny about the problem of using inmates as forced involuntary labour. Given the size of the US prison system, the USA is still operating one of the largest slavery systems in the world.
But I also read that over half the Angola inmates were on life sentences, so it seems strange to threaten them with longer sentences. (So, I admit, that particular sentence sounded “funny” (as in strange), an unlikely snippet of comic relief in what is other a very serious and grave subject). In any case, there are a myriad of other ways to threaten inmates besides lengthening their sentence.
(And I just realized that I used the pun “sentence” here – I laughed at myself despite my seriousness towards this subject).
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So here it is again for comprehensionally challenged – HolyGrail say’s blacks live in rat infested ghettoes, white people don’t know sh!t about it, so should shut up – it’s white peoples systematic racism that puts blacks in that condition. (Right – isnt’ that what he said?).
Then here come’s Pam…”The first thing I always advise is to EDUCATE ourselves about the real problem and that — in my opinion — is Racism/White Supremacy. Every problem black people have can be traced back to the effects of racism….
To what end does this education serve – that is my question. I think Chris Columbus had the same issue with you. What do you benefit by getting people to believe they’re victims? How is that uplifting to anyone? All it does is give some an excuse for their failure and a target for their bitterness. Why bother trying, you’ll only fail because the whites keep us down. Do you really believe that?
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@KOT
I was the victim of violent crime a number of times in the USA, some of them left permanent results and problems. I don’t think it is always right to peg it on the victim. After the trauma of being violently attacked, I had friends and family members (not to mention my boss and colleagues) add to my stress by suggesting that I was easy prey or somehow not paying attention.
This is one of the reasons why I left the USA.
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Pam – you posted this
Speaking of “knock-out games” —
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBpJD5JnaHc)
Racism/White Supremacy is a GLOBAL, WORLDWIDE SYSTEM
I watched it – I saw white cop tase a black kid, who was in fact the aggressor in hitting and trying to take another black kids back pack. I think he had it coming. maybe not a shot in the face, but he deserved to get the voltage. What I heard was a white dude whining about the perp getting a dart in the face. I wish that idiot would have gotten some juice too. Love the “bro” he sprinkles into his narratiation – like “don’t taze me bro” sound familiar.
Any way – what’s your point in this clip? White cop defends black from another black, therefore he’s wrong? If the cop didn’t do anything, you’d be claiming that police aren’t there to “protect and defend” black people. There’s no making you happy pam.
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Jefe,
I am genuinely sorry that bad things happened to you and that you felt it best to leave you home and family. Remember – Living well is the best revenge.
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@Sharina
I have been attacked by both blacks and whites in the USA, so I don’t label it as a black or white problem, but a problem in the USA. But I admit that most of my attacks were not in majority black neighbors, although the perpetrators were split between being black and white.
But I could bring up another anecdotal example of my own – my roommate in NYC was attacked and shook down by a group of black male youths while he walking home from the subway. He is a Filipino guy, and the Queens neighborhood was about 40% white / ethnic European, 30% Hispanic and 30% Asian. The landlords openly discriminated against blacks moving into the neighborhood (even the college educated professional kind). There were projects about 10 blocks away that were majority black. One would see small groups of black youths on the street sometimes – some neighbors thought they were “prowling”. I even saw some black girls stealing my large potted plants around the house and got away before I could catch them. That was not a black neighborhood, but anecdotal evidence would cause one to think that a large proportion of the street violence and theft were done by blacks.
Anyone probably could find some anecdotal evidence to support their point (or to confirm their stereotype). I do not support the use of anecdotal evidence as any proof of crime statistics. I also do not label it a black thing – there were projects nearby and there were poverty-stricken neighborhoods just walking distance away. But one cannot deny that people have anecdotal evidence to bring up.
What I think is so wrong in the USA is to racialize crime and violence. It makes whites and some Asians (and perhaps even some blacks) believe that they can avoid crime and violence by avoiding blacks (or perhaps avoiding Latinos in high Latino areas). I wish I knew the answer about how to deracialize America’s social problems, but simply not talking about race (ie, pretending to be racially colour blind) certainly is not the answer. Using anecdotal evidence to “prove” anything does not solve it either.
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@ jefe
+ 1.
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@wordynerdygirl
I support your arguments most of the time. I agree that it is strange to have the impulse to buy a gun to feel more safe after hearing about or seeing gun violence. America’s romance with guns is not only weird, but deadly.
But I can’t agree with you about Sydney either. My anecdotal experience is different. When I was last in Sydney, I was staying somewhere outside downtown – there was a train stop about 3-4 blocks away that took only about 10-15 minutes to get to the main urban and tourist areas.
But sometimes the train skipped that stop and went to the next stop about 5-6 blocks in the other direction. That was about the creepiest neighborhood I had ever been to – about as run down as any black ghetto I had been to in the USA with groups of youths congregating in the dark. I walked there in the daytime also, and it was very “rough” looking. I realized it was a mostly aboriginal neighborhood. My Vietnamese-American friend travelling with me (who passed the area separately without me) came to me that time and remarked that it was a “bad” neighborhood. And this guy grew up in the some of the poor working class black neighborhoods in D.C.
I also visited some of the aboriginal neighborhoods in northern Queensland. They feel scary too.
I am not sure that we can purely use your anecdotal experience, my anecdotal experience or someone else’s caught on a video to make valid comparisons among countries and cities.
I admit that the USA has a very toxic take on race relations, but other places like Australia have their own somewhat toxic problems. The treatment of Aborigines in Australia doesn’t seem any more antiseptic than the treatment of African-Americans or Native Americans in the USA.
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After the scare of the knockout games die down, something new will take its place as the next violent black pathology, and it will be based on a few media reports.
Black people have been and always will be seen as “the problem”. We will always be seen as aliens. We will always be seen as beasts. And we will always be told to live up to standards by those who can barely hold up their own. Why should we have to change when “they” can remain the same?
NO ONE defends these games. NO ONE! But if people see this as typical black male behavior, then why act surprised?
These are the black males the media is obsessed with. These are the only kinds of black males they WANT to see. These are the black males who were probably told they were bad since day one, and were treated as such. (Please note that I said ‘probably’). So, when they DO show off their badness, people will – all of a sudden – act amazed, disgusted and concern when they’ve had those views all along??
The bottom line is that if people and the world they live in continues to tell society that a certain group of people are savage-like, and that same group gets the message, don’t be surprised when one or a few of them actually does something to confirm one’s confirmation bias and becomes one’s anecdotal evidence. Why try to prove someone wrong, when they’ve already made up their mind about you and won’t change their thinking for anything?
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@ jefe can I ask when you last visited Sydney? I live in Newtown, only about a 10 minute walk from the area I think you’re referring to, which is called Redfern.
If so, Redfern has changed remarkably over the past five years. I wouldn’t say it’s ‘gentrifying’ in the way that Americans use the word – it’s still very diverse and has a high Aboriginal population, which is a good thing. But a really concerted effort by the community to bring services and business into the area has paid off over time.
It still is quite high crime area by Australian standards but, as I mentioned, I do not fear walking home in the dark. Maybe I’m foolhardy but the worst thing that could happen here is someone might ask me to hand over my purse, in which case I will do so. I don’t fear being shot or stabbed for no reason.
On your visits to Australia I hope also you noticed that we have far less segregation than in the US – most Sydney neighbourhoods are mixed. Melbourne is even less segregated.
I think I’ve said in other threads that Australia still has a problem with racism. The treatment of Aboriginal Australians was and is disgraceful. I do think that our contemporary race relations are less toxic than the USA’s – maybe this is because we don’t have the added dimension of gun violence.
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*hope you also noticed. I really should pay more attention to typos!
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@ jefe but I do accept your point about using anecdotal experience as evidence.
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@Riverside Rob, cleaning on that scale takes city involvement. Unless you have gone to the suburbs or any city and started seeing people clean up, Highly doubt it, that is what street sweepers and other city workers do. The clean up was more of a light respect your own neighbor pride thing. If you think a city gets magically cleaned without government help I got a bridge and pyramid to sell you. When the city stopped cleaning those areas as well citing underfunded and low tax base the more clutter builds. Which was why when I in New York in the 90’s it looked like a dump compared to most parts of Chicago back then. Anyway this isn’t the right forum for this discussion.
However, if you would like I worked in the Chicago Water Reclamation Center for a few years in their library and you well see how areas lose funding and basic services.
I also lived on the South Side of Chicago, where the factories were closed boarded up and all of my 16 years of being there not once were they torn down or converted to anything. Huge empty warehouses which collect rodents and trouble. I always use to hear from my teachers the phrase why should we pay for… American media is like the kid who gets a tiny bruise and makes up this huge story on how big it was and how it happen.
For example did you enjoy the low cost of food in the 80’s and 90’s? Which was basically brought on because the government subsidized gas. Yes, everyone and their taxes pay for lower gas then the rest of the world. Lower gas equals lower food cost, shipping and all that jazz. However, the distribution of those benefits are not always fair or equal. Then when someone talks about food stamps and poor minorities it becomes a case of hey aren’t they moochers. When mooching has been happening amongst those who are considered in the upper class.
Riverside, I’ll take it as my mistake because as I read it I thought you were agreeing with the quote. In which I explained that these quotes are passed down the line even after you find them false.
@ Trojan Pam, I had to pass three color lines to get to one of my High Schools. Most of my childhood I had my little sister with me and we had to walk in all white neighborhoods to get to school. I don’t look back on the years fondly at all.
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@King of Trouble you make some really great points.
I often wonder why single mothers trying to feed their families are demonised for collecting welfare. Would people rather their children starve? There will never be 100% employment so any reasonable person should support a safety net.
It’s even more sickening when at the same time corporations defraud their shareholders and consumers, and then are bailed out to the tune of billions of dollars. You don’t hear an outcry from the right about the massive welfare and tax breaks being given to the private sector.
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@Jefe, I do not peg it on the victim but I will ask you were you alone. I have been jumped but most of the time that I have been jumped it was because I crossed a color line Chicago.
Even at the best of times you still may be jumped, beaten, or killed but being aware is one of the best defenses you have. I don’t want too sound harsh it is just, I start to see 2/6 writing on the walls, or Ambrose Knights, Folks / People tagging or I start to see teenagers slowing their cars down I am cautious.
You should be careful because your life is one of the most important things you have. There were several things I had to be aware of when I was growing up. One was the local gang colours, two was wearing flashy things in the wrong neighborhoods, three what ethnic group area I was walking into. Even still, I got jumped. One needs to be aware were they are going. When I was a kid I knew better than to walk around too much in 63rd street where I had to go for after school, school. I don’t wear headphones with the sound so high I can’t hear what is around me. I do take precaution. Much like I do with the police, it is very rare that I want help from them because I don’t trust them much. I take a lot of precautions when dealing with them. Not every cop is bad but if I hear one calling me boy, or what where you doing in this neighborhood I am very cautious.
I don’t fault the victim in perfect world one shouldn’t have to worry about getting jumped for anything. Yet, there has to be away to keep those type of situation to a minimum. One that doesn’t say hey lets bring gasoline to this fire mix. There are always going to be people trying to feel superior, or get something easy, or attracted to violence but the number one thing is to keep your life and hopefully without having to take someone else.
When I was working with so called trouble youth the number one thing sited was the person looked out of place and was alone. Yet, you can’t be with someone all the time.
I site Rob because he carries around a knife, if he is not careful one day someone will be dead. He has already said he has used it. So while I understand your sentiment, I still think that any person carrying around a weapon should be more careful. I am not sure but I also think Rob said he had a gun. Lots of people have a false sense of safety because they are armed themselves.
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@wordynerdygirl
I think it might have been Redfern – sounds familiar. So you do know the neighborhood. Maybe I was staying in your neighborhood.
That was 8 years ago.
Maybe I should say what impressed me more about Australia is how incredibly WHITE it is in comparison with the USA, even in Sydney and Melbourne. The major cities in Australia impress me as similar in whiteness to places like Salt Lake City and Portland (or like Montreal and Toronto in Canada), which I consider to be overwhelmingly white cities (about 90% white, or maybe 80% in the case of Toronto). I am more used to places like Washington, New York, Baltimore, Atlanta, etc. which have only a fraction of the white population that Australia has. And the nonwhite population in Australia is primarily Asian, esp. Vietnamese, Chinese and Indonesian. So, since nonwhites are such a small minority (relatively speaking) in Australia that it is much more difficult to have such a high level of segregation — it is probably more similar to the segegration index in the USA between whites and Asians in the suburbs, or how “integrated” Queens in New York City is (which are often mixed white, Asian and Hispanic — all nonblack, or on the flipside, mostly black). I don’t think you can compare Australia and the USA in that sense.
Also, the situation with Aborigines in Australia is more similar to Native Americans than to blacks in the USA. There is a collective white guilt about importing millions of Africans into slavery, and selling their own children as slaves.
I think what makes the USA so toxic is the combination of gun violence with a legacy of slavery. That is why Australia reminds me of Canada. It is like USA minus guns and slavery.
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@KOT
I find this to be very peculiar about US culture.
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@ jefe I think you’ve summed it up perfectly. I agree that the situation with Aboriginal Australians is equivalent to that in Canada. I think Canada’s taken more steps toward equality though with the establishment of fully independent territories.
Back on topic, the ‘knockout game’ thing is now being reported by the tabloid media here, in Canada and in the UK. Just another rubbish story that distracts people from the real inequalities that they should be concerned about.
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@Riverside_Rob
Maybe I should be the one asking if you comprehend? The hat tip is a signification that you agree with it thus my comment and makes my comment to you very appropriate. Should I quote where you did your hat tip or are you going to run off to save face as you usually do?
“Sharina – your low brow attempts at insult are laughable. Keep swinging though.”
I am sure you would like to convince people it is laughable just as you would like to convince people you are smarter than what you are. As to your claims of a low blow, I was simply pointing out to KOT what ignorant comments are what is to be expected of you.
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@ Jefe
Thank you for answering that question. I threw it out for randy because I wanted to see if he can acknowledge to the American problem or if he was actually stuck on the “black” problem theory.
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@ KOT
“Riverside, I’ll take it as my mistake because as I read it I thought you were agreeing with the quote. In which I explained that these quotes are passed down the line even after you find them false.”—It was not a mistake on your part. He was agreeing with him as per his “(hat tip to DeepFried_BlackmansHolyGrail)” he made so very clear.
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I see we never learn:
That arguing with white people (even the most “liberal”) about racism is often futile.
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While he is giving credit to deepFried in his agreeance. This is actually him asking Pam these things. I did a search and these words only appear in his post so again No KOT it was not your mistake.
“I love you pam, you’re so consistent. I love the way you mind read into Mack’s comments, then answer a question he didn’t ask. Let me ask, what happens when you’ve succedded in EDUCATING every black in the world, that all of their problems are the fault of white people and white supremacy? Will that lift them from poverty? Will that clean up their rat infested neighborhoods, prevent their children from working with crappy school systems, improve the poor food resources in their communities that cause possible health problems, and protect them from walking around junkies all day etc? (hat tip to DeepFried_BlackmansHolyGrail).”
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@phoebeprunelle
which one is liberal or claimed to be?
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Grin and bear it,
“So, what do we do, how do we do it and how can we get others to do it?
1) We need to believe in ourselves and invest in our selves.
2) We need to strengthen and build our neighborhoods.
3) We need to educate ourselves and our children beyond what we can get in any school, college, or church.
4) We need to strengthen and build our own businesses, institutions, and media.
5) We may need to arm ourselves. Seriously arm ourselves.
Simple things we can do right now?
1) Stop calling each other bitches, hoes, n——, and other offensive words. Curb the public use of profanity of all kinds.
2) Stop littering and/or defacing the properties in our communities.
3) Be supportive and encouraging of family, friends, and neighbors. Is it so hard to greet each other and say hello?
4) Moderate or eliminate altogether our intake of tobacco, alcohol, pot, junk food, and mainstream media.
5) Pool our resources and begin buying land/property and developing it for our use. One million people contributing $1 per month is $12 million dollars a year. One hundred thousand people contributing $10 a month is the same. More people = more money. Stretch that out over a couple of years, and that’s a lot of dough. We could buy a lot of property with that kind of money.
6) Lead by example, and be mentors.”
Wouldn’t there need to be a we first. A national black organization to promote and orchestrate these things.
A lot of these things are all well and good but what is neglected is how do we get others to do these things?
By others I mean the bad people destroying black communities by littering, cursing, smoking weed, and eating twinkies for breakfast.
Seems like we need some type of national organzation to create and enforce codes of conduct and facilitate the pooling of our resources. Something where we could tax and fine all the black people and use those resources to build and maintain schools, hospitals, businesses. Something like a…government.
It’ll probably be really expensive paying two governments the black government and the American government. Maybe there is some form we can fill out to get out of paying taxes to the am. Gov’t since it’s not doing the things you mentioned. Maybe they’ll give us a refund.
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What’s up with the excessive moderation? It is annoying.
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I disagree with your argument that a single youtube video of Canadian police behaving very badly demonstrates that race relations in Canada are as toxic as they are in the USA.
Spoken like a true white supremacist cloaked in the mantle of ‘anti-racist’ or whatever the he** you folks are referring to yourselves nowadays. As for Canada, the racists are more covert and ‘polite’ about it, somewhat like yourself. I guess they possess a white colonial mindset as the benign white person looking patronizingly down on the coloureds. I am Canadian so can attest to this. I have also been a victim of their ‘kindly’ racism throughout my life. So go feed your benign form of white supremacy to others who don’t know any better, are wilfully obtuse, or simply put, don’t have a clue. Good day..
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Herneith:
In both cases I was attending social and cultural events in my fair city.
Brothawolf:
Abagond:
With a few notable exceptions, the US media has a persistent and oft-acknowledged “progressive” bias. If anything, black crime appears to be embarrassing to journalists steeped in PC philosophy.
Contrast the reporting of “knockout” attacks and “flash mobs”, where the perpetrators (mostly black, as observed in video footage) are referred to as “teens” and “youths”, with that of Zimmerman-Martin, where the media was quick to point out that the shooter was white.
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or maybe 80% in the case of Toronto
Actually, it is almost 30% of the populace that is a ‘visisble’ minority in Toronto. They are predicting it will actually be over 50% in 2017:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/visible-minorities-to-top-50-in-toronto-vancouver-by-2017-1.569113
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@Herneith,
OK, sorry, I haven’t been to Toronto for 15 years, I know it is changing. Still, it is a far cry from the US cities I have more experience with. And Canada’s visible minorities, like Australia’s, are mostly of Asian descent. They have nothing remotely similar to the US’s African American situation.
To tell the truth, I feel slightly cringingly towards Canada’s use of “visible minority” – it is almost as if they use it as a euphemism for race.
The article states
The comparable figure for the USA would be about two out of every five, or about 125-135 million people in 2017. Metro NYC all by itself already has as many “visible minorities” as the entire countries of Australia and Canada combined. So does greater Los Angeles. It is just a completely different scale.
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@ Randy
I have a 1999 copy of the New York Times style guide. Here is what it says about race:
Most American news organizations follow a rule like this.
The Zimmerman shooting is a good example. At first the race of the suspect and victim were NOT reported. But once Trayvon Martin’s parents made it about race, then race became part of the story.
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@ Solesearch:
Re: grin and bear it’s list:
The problem is that what both of you are suggesting is well-meaning but impossible. Making up a list of things that we should all do is fine, but as you have noted, how can we MAKE other people agree to act like that? However your own suggestions will not MAKE people act like that either.
The real question you are both asking is, how can we make people who wish to behave negatively, behave positively instead? But of course, there are serious limits to what can be done to accomplish this. In the end, if a person wants to act badly, there is not much in practical terms that can be done about it, except to move to a place where they cannot follow. That will not solve their problem—it will solve your problem.
Aside from that, it’s just a question of continuing to point to the results of their bad behavior and continuing to help like-minded people to find their own safe places, away from the madness. This is not just the case with Black dysfunction, areas, and people, but with ALL dysfunctional circumstances. There will always be people who choose to live badly, and to prey upon those who do not. They must either see the hopelessness of their own philosophy, or be left to follow it to it’s logical and miserable conclusion. But it cannot be effectively forced upon them.
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King, my comment was sarcastic.
I thought the list was ridiculous.
I don’t buy into the black dysfunction/culture argument as the cause for inequality.
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Sorry. You know what they say about the internet and sarcasm.
The cause for what kind of inequality???
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King,
Well I thought my comment was ridiculous enough for it to be apparent. The fact that it wasn’t is most telling. Racial inequality.
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Haha!! Actually, now that I go back and read it, the sarcasm becomes apparent 🙂
I would say that dysfunctional behavior does feed into racial inequality even if it is not *the cause* of it.
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@ Herneith I was arguing about the question of degree, not on whether racism exists in Canada or Australia – of course it does.
My point was that one video does not a trend make. I apologise for saying this as of course you are in a far better position than me to make a judgment call on the topic.
I realise that ‘liberals’ are the most hated class of people on this blog. Sorry, but I do believe that left wing values such as support for gun control and proper safety nets (e.g. universal healthcare) are better than the alternative viewpoint, which is best articulated by people like Randy and RiversideRob.
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King,
“I would say that dysfunctional behavior does feed into racial inequality even if it is not *the cause* of it.”
You mean it exacerbates it? Dysfunctional behavior is an effect of oppression. Effects can become causes but as long as oppression exists you’ll always be treating the symptoms.
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I guess perhaps you could put it that way. It gives people tools to continue the system of racial inequality. The more dysfunction that can be pointed to, the easier it is to justify the oppression. On the other hand, less dysfunction makes it more difficult to justify oppression. There is a positive correlation between dysfunction and oppression.
Sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn’t. Oppression is not a necessary ingredient—although of course—it does have a great influence.
There will always be some dysfunction, whether there is oppression or not. There will always be some oppression, whether there is some dysfunction or not. I’d say that the two are related but not purely causal.
But as long as one believes that dysfunction is the necessary end product of oppression, it means that dysfunction cannot ever be overcome by the dysfunctional. The oppressor has ALL of the power and the oppressed is a complete and powerless thrall.
I don’t believe that.
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@sharina.. i wasn’t ignoring you.. i just saw your comment. I have kids and am a busy guy. Not saying you aren’t busy either. So you think i’m just worried about black crime.. not true. I just see some hypocrisy here. Abagond will point out white on black crime, and you have and many comments are summed up in a nutshell as “See these whites hate us” in so many words. I’m not saying that. All I’m saying is to acknowledge it, and to condemn it, and don’t make excuses for it. Finding whites who do this(the knockout game) is cherry picking in my opinion, not the other way around.
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@omnipresent… I don’t sit here and argue with every post Abagond writes. I agree with alot of them. I’m the one that made the case for Abagond to post this. To his credit he did this. These discussions can be healthy. It needs to go both ways though. You can’t expect to just point fingers at an entire group of people and never face any rebuttal.
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King,
“Sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn’t. Oppression is not a necessary ingredient—although of course—it does have a great influence.
”
That’s not what I meant.
I didn’t say all dysfunction was caused by oppression. But all oppression causes dysfunction. That’s its purpose.
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King,
“But as long as one believes that dysfunction is the necessary end product of oppression, it means that dysfunction cannot ever be overcome by the dysfunctional. The oppressor has ALL of the power and the oppressed is a complete and powerless thrall.”
Not really. It means you should fight the oppression. You don’t have to be perfect to fight oppression. The idea that you do is itself oppressive.
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@Sharina continued…
I’ll give you an example of cherry picking the other way around.
Abagond has written a few posts about white cops who kill blacks(often kids) without provocation. Like they were judge, jury, and executioner. I have supported his position here and have condemned these worthless officers who have done this. I have commented in support of his position a few times. So I didn’t remain silent there.
Now lets say i “derailed” and said “Well it isn’t just black kids this happens to… infact more whites were killed by cops then blacks. In fact I just read about a case where the cops were black and puerto rican” Now even if that were true (I haven’t researched that) but lets say it were true. .. Would that make what that over zealous, probably racist cop did ok? No. You can’t excuse one act with another…, this isn’t a competition.
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@ Dave
In between the comment about you ignoring you had responded several times. The point was that you kept going on and on about how it is a black problem while ignoring the American youth problem or as jefe put it the American problem.
“So you think i’m just worried about black crime.. not true.”—For someone who claims it is not true you are the one on this thread hammering in it is black youth and that we have to stop dismissing and condemn it. Yet you ignored where several posters were not dismissing and actually condemning. So my question is where is the hypocrisy you keep saying? Are you considering it hypocritical to point out that this is an American problem in which whites participate in?
“you have and many comments are summed up in a nutshell as “See these whites hate us” in so many words”—I suggest that if you are going to make such accusations then you are going to have to back it up (which you can’t). I never said nor suggested any such thing.
“All I’m saying is to acknowledge it, and to condemn it, and don’t make excuses for it.”—So like I said prior. Point out the cat that is not acknowledging, that has not condemned it and is making excuses for it. I want to see this person because you are in here as if you are telling us something that we have not already done. So basically in YOUR mind it is not being done and you have to lecture us on doing it.
“Finding whites who do this(the knockout game) is cherry picking in my opinion, not the other way around”—Aww this sums up much. So it is cherry picking when you point out that whites are engaged in this but not so when you go out of your way to make sure people know blacks do this. How did you come up with that logic?
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I disagree.
Oppression causes stress, and discomfort, even injury, if it is is violent and physical. But “dysfunction” implies that the reaction to this stimulus is somehow abnormal, or unhealthy. I would argue that a person can react to stress or even injury in a completely healthy way that in non-dysfuntional.
For example, if my boss at work is harassing me. I can seek out council, establish support, seek a remedy. But even if these steps fail, my response to the oppression does not have to be “dysfunctional.”
On the other hand, if I deal with it by going home and getting stone drunk every night, then that is a “dysfunctional” reaction to the oppression I experienced. I don’t see that one automatically leads to the other.
BTW, do you mind having this conversation? I can never be sure if a conversation doesn’t come across as an argument or confrontation – again being the internet.
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@Sharina.. I guess we will have to agree to disagree here. The bottom line is people have died. Old people and women were targeted, and it is a cowardly, cold, and completely ignorant thing to do. It’s mostly young black kids targeting easy targets. Why don’t they go to a construction site and try to punch some of those guys out. …maybe they could walk in a boxing club or dojo or go find someone stronger to do this to. The kids engaging in this are cowards and I don’t care what color they are.
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@dave
“Now lets say i “derailed” and said “Well it isn’t just black kids this happens to… infact more whites were killed by cops then blacks. In fact I just read about a case where the cops were black and puerto rican” Now even if that were true (I haven’t researched that) but lets say it were true. .. Would that make what that over zealous, probably racist cop did ok? No. You can’t excuse one act with another…, this isn’t a competition.”
The part that you are not getting is no one is excusing the act. Several people over have spoken up against it but you want to dismiss the fact that it is an American youth issue. Not a blacks only issues that requires for you to come to a forum and lecture the blacks on it while dismissing the need to lecture the whites on it. Since it is a black problem then this should be a discussion where blacks talk about it and deal with it. so explain to me why you are in here trying to tell us all how to deal with it? Should you as a white person be carrying this method to your white troubled youth? Or is this where you ignore and continue to carry the idea that is is a black thing.
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@dave
This is the part that you are not getting. Read what I say very very carefully. I DON’T AGREE WITH IT AND THOSE THAT PARTICIPATE SHOULD BE PUNISHED MAY THEY BE BLACK OR WHITE.
You are the one making this a black only thing. I am making this an American youth thing.
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That’s good Sharina, did you have a nice Thanksgiving?
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@dave
And yes I see you saying mostly blacks but you are hammering in on the black thing.
As for agreeing to disagree I am perfectly fine with that, but when you are making accusations about me then you need to prove it and there is no agree to disagree about it. So I look forwards to you finding my comments that sum up in a nutshell that “See these whites hate us”
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in order to not derail i will answer that in open thread
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OK… have a good one doll 😉
ps I wasn’t talking about you personally with the “nutshell” comment. probably misunderstanding #42.
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@ Dave
Black community leaders and activists have, in fact condemned it.
Many of the commenters here have condemned it.
But what you are missing is the fact that “Black crime” is a most often used method for justifying racism. So when you come here with the familiar “White guy demands to know what Blacks are doing about… etc.” there is bound to be some blow back.
Blacks are not responsible for the Knockout Game. The *individuals* who are involved are responsible for it. There is no “Black Man Meeting” on the second Thursday night of every month in which Blacks get together and vote on the whether the Knockout Game should continue or not. Like Sharina, I fail to see your point.
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@sharina I wasn’t talking about you personally with the “nutshell” comment.
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King,
“For example, if my boss at work is harassing me. I can seek out council, establish support, seek a remedy. But even if these steps fail, my response to the oppression does not have to be “dysfunctional.””
The fact that you’re doing all of that instead of your work is dysfunction. Don’t you agree?
I don’t mind.
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree here. The bottom line is people have died. Old people and women were targeted, and it is a cowardly, cold, and completely ignorant thing to do. It’s mostly young black kids targeting easy targets. Why don’t they go to a construction site and try to punch some of those guys out. …maybe they could walk in a boxing club or dojo or go find someone stronger to do this to. The kids engaging in this are cowards and I don’t care what color they are.
Dave,
You keep saying that you don’t care what color they are, but you continue to include the words “young blacks” or “black youth” in your response. Like Sharina pointed out, you seem to worry more about black crime than any other color-coded crime in several articles and then say how you’re not racist. Even in the post about Vincent Chin, you made a comment about black-on-white crime.
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@King I realize it is certain individuals who do this. Some here need to practice what they preach with that. Certainly not you or Sharina.. but some on here have gone further than me with that. I’m simply pointing it out, and saying don’t ignore it. I’m not saying… “See how these blacks are” Some on here have done that in reverse in other individual cases, whether some of the cop murders or the Zimmerman case. Some say “We” (white people) don’t view you as individuals, well I as an individual do. See it’s hard to point a finger with that without immediately being a part of the individual vs. group argument.
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I’ve seen some on here say well “Whites don’t view “us” as individuals” Well you just committed two infractions in that argument. You groups yourselves as “us” , and you assumed all whites feel this way…. a double whammy.
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No. That is the normal and prescribed reaction to that particular situation. It may be distracting, but it is quite necessary. Dealing with another person’s dysfunctional behavior towards me is not itself dysfunctional, just because it takes time. (unless I myself choose an unhealthy way of dealing with it.)
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@Brothawolf… man move on from my goof on that one. Your like my wife remembering something from two years ago and still busting my stones about it.
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by the way brothawolf. I’ll come out and say it.. I’m not trying to start a fight but you are one of the commenters I’m referring to that speak in absolutes with all white people , yet you want to play the group vs. individual card when appropriate.
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also @brothawolf I acknowledged I was wrong on the Vincent Chin thing and apologized. Don’t forget it.
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King,
“Oppression causes stress, and discomfort, even injury, if it is is violent and physical. But “dysfunction” implies that the reaction to this stimulus is somehow abnormal, or unhealthy. ”
I guess I’m thinking of it as a disruption of normal functioning. Maybe that would just be a malfunction.
But if that malfunction continues a person is apt to find others ways to function, a work around that is dysfunctional. People are imperfect, weak. All people.
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@dave
“I wasn’t talking about you personally with the “nutshell” comment.”—Then that is my mistake
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King,
” Dealing with another person’s dysfunctional behavior towards me is not itself dysfunctional, just because it takes time. (unless I myself choose an unhealthy way of dealing with it.)”
Not completing your work would be considered dysfunctional.
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King,
Or working late to finish instead of getting your rest or going to your daughters soccer game. Would that be dysfunctional?
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I’ll come out and say it.. I’m not trying to start a fight but you are one of the commenters I’m referring to that speak in absolutes with all white people , yet you want to play the group vs. individual card when appropriate.
When it comes to the mainstream, it’s always “group vs. individual” when it comes to crime and violence. In that case, whites are always seen as individuals in many mainstream circles while blacks are seen a collective problems. My issue is why can’t blacks be seen as individuals as well? Why must we (black people) all be held accountable for these “games” when collective responsibility is lenient or nonexistent whenever a white person goes crazy?
I don’t know about you, but I see a gross hypocrisy here. That’s why often times I flip the script to prove a point.
I acknowledged I was wrong on the Vincent Chin thing and apologized. Don’t forget it.
Indeed you have. I’m just saying that the fixation continues it seems. Groups of blacks attacking innocent people seems to be on your mind during certain times in certain topics.
Like everyone here has condemned it. I, myself, want those punks to be punished for what they’re doing, and I also want something to be done to remedy this problem.
But I also know there’s more to this story than what the news is allowing to be shown. If we only see this as a “black problem”, and by some miracle, ALL black youth stop engaging in activities like this, youth crime WILL continue regardless whether it’s caught the news’ attention or not.
If this problem must be examined extensively, one must take into account many factors. Limiting this to the aggressiveness of black youths only based on news reports will only and likely end up and more racist laws against blacks. In other words, we need to stop looking at this as black youth crime, when violence is a part of American culture, not Black American culture.
I’m just saying.
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@ Dave
“I’ve seen some on here say well “Whites don’t view “us” as individuals” Well you just committed two infractions in that argument. You groups yourselves as “us” , and you assumed all whites feel this way…. a double whammy.”
That is great that some in here may or may not say this but I am more interested in where I have said that. I am more interested in where I stated anything close to “See these whites hate us” and before you say that you weren’t talking about me I would like you to review your quote:
“you have and many comments are summed up in a nutshell as “See these whites hate us” in so many words”
Emphasis on YOU HAVE.
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@Sharina I honestly wasn’t talking about you. I originally wrote “You have many commenters on this blog” then went back and rewrote it and didn’t fully delete the first part of it.
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@ Dave
Ok so I am guessing you meant “Abagond will point out white on black crime, and you have”
So I must make a correction. Quote where I have pointed out white on black crime? Quote where I have made white-on- black crime some massive emphasis in any of my post?
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@ Dave
“I honestly wasn’t talking about you. I originally wrote “You have many commenters on this blog” then went back and rewrote it and didn’t fully delete the first part of it.”
ok. Thanks for explaining
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What??? That is out of the question!! I refuse to miss the big game!!!!
There are many *choices* one can make—some to them are functional, some of them are dysfunctional. But my point is that being part of a dysfunctional system does not make one individually dysfunctional, ipso facto. It is quite possible to make reasonable choices even when in the jaws of an unreasonable predicament.
So if some kid is robbing the community businesses and hurting people, it’s not *because* he’s “oppressed,” it’s because he chooses to respond to the oppression we all have to face in an unhealthy and selfish manner. If some grown man is trying to follow my young, female cousins home uninvited, it’s not because he’s “oppressed” it’s because he’s making some bad and selfish choices that are going to land him in the hospital or the morgue.
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Again Sharina I wasn’t talking about you personally. My intent was to point out that some commenters(not you personally) jump to conclusions about white people in general after white on black hatred resulting in crime on other posts . I was under the impression that you thought I was doing that. Saying that because I’m pointing this out as a trend in part of the black community means you think I think many are engaged in it,and now I am scared or mad at all black people. If that’s what you think , you are mistaken. I was saying some on this blog (not you) but some have said in a nutshell. “See these whites hate us and can’t be trusted”… or “It’s open season on black men” or “We are under attack from racist whites” I ABSOLUTELY read similar comments on this blog. again not from you. I was under the impression you thought I was pushing those type of thoughts (in reverse) by commenting about this.
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@dave
Look up and when you are done I will be looking for an apology.
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@ Solesearch
I think it depends on how you want to define dysfunctional. Some definitions say that dysfunctional means “abnormal.” However, this is clearly unsatisfactory. It begs the question “what is normal?” So your birthday is However, it is also normal because it comes around on that same day in every year. We must therefore discard imprecise or useless definitions.
The definition that I find to be most accurate is “unhealthy.” If you use the word unhealthy in place of “dysfunctional” in any sentence you will always preserve the meaning and context. So if we are talking about healthy responses and unhealthy responses, then missing a game, in order to keep your job or sanity is quite functional.
Even in cases where you must make extreme choices, they are healthy choices when their priorities are logical. They are not dysfunctional.
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@ dave
Yes, clearly not every commenter here is going to be reasonable or consistent. But that is true anywhere you go on the internet. I think if you take a look around the internet, Abagond’s site is considered (in the mainstream) to be somewhat extreme. But bearing this in mind, can you really say that most of the comments here are about, “Kill all the White people?” For such an “extreme” website there sure seems to be a lot of levelheaded ballast to counter the extreme positions, wouldn’t you say? I mean, compare this site to a White Nationalist site and I think you will see a huge difference.
But furthermore, it would help you if you understood that White culpability and Black culpability are not the same thing. As I said above, Blacks have seldom had the chance to get together and vote on the course and policies of Blackness in America. The best we have been able to do is to vote for candidates (mostly White Democrats) who make promises and often don’t deliver. So when it comes to Black criminals, Black comedians, Black Activists, or Black anything, you are looking at unelected *individuals* who “represent” no real constituency.
However, when you look at the policies of White America, many of the worst abuses where codified into United States Law. In other words, White people did actually vote on these things at the Municipal, State and Federal level, year in and year out.
Blacks should be given an inferior education (White vote: YES)
Blacks should be able to live anywhere they can afford (White vote: NO)
Blacks should be excluded from the best jobs (White vote: YES)
Blacks should be excluded from having political power (White vote: YES)
These were things that were passed by popular votes all over the country, literally over the course of centuries again and again. White American society is therefore culpable for this system of institutional and representative oppression in a way that Black, Asians, or Native-Americans simply are not.
Secondly, White Americans collectively benefitted from things like
– Stealing and selling Native American Land
– Slavery and Jim Crow servant/underclass
– Forced Labor: Black/Native/Chinese
– Taxation without representation
These institutions robbed people of color and poured the proceeds into the White American economy. So whether you owned slaves or not, as a White person, you reap some benefit from the exploitation of ethnic Americans.
Because of these factors, the culpability of White Society is quite different than that of ethics Americans. It doesn’t mean that Whites are ALL bad of that they must personally answer for things that people who looked like them did 100 years ago. But neither can they brush off the past as if they somehow do not share in it’s ill-gotten bounty.
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@ wordynerdygirl
All I ask is accuracy when claiming I said something I did not say. Words are important.
I never said a single youtube video of Canadian police behaving very badly demonstrates anything. I posted it because it is just more PROOF that racism/white supremacy is a GLOBAL SYSTEM — and that white people function the SAME WAY toward non-whites no matter where they are in the world.
I have been to Canada and I was victimized by racist whites. I have regular email correspondence from black people who are LIVING (not visiting) in the UK, Russia, Canada, Sweden, etc. — and they ALL report being victims of white racism.
So, while there are differences depending on where you live in this world, there is ONE CONSTANT wherever white people come across non-white people:
RACISM/WHITE SUPREMACY
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@ Jefe
Thanks for the clarification.
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@ Brothawolf
who said: “Vlack people have been and always will be seen as “the problem”. We will always be seen as aliens. We will always be seen as beasts. The bottom line is that if people and the world they live in continues to tell society that a certain group of people are savage-like, and that same group gets the message, don’t be surprised when one or a few of them actually does something to confirm one’s confirmation.
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Exactly.
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@ phoebeprunelle
who said: “I see we never learn: That arguing with white people (even the most “liberal”) about racism is often futile.”
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AMEN.
Deny, deny, deny is how they keep their system of white privilege and domination hidden from their victims. As long as it works, don’t expect anything different.
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Sun 1 Dec 2013 at 14:35:54
Sharina
@Riverside_Rob
Maybe I should be the one asking if you comprehend? The hat tip is a signification that you agree with it thus my comment and makes my comment to you very appropriate. Should I quote where you did your hat tip or are you going to run off to save face as you usually do?
Sorry sharina sweetheart – the hat tip is signal of acknowledgment to a contributor – look it up in the urban dictionary.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hat+tip
Thus your comment on my comment is off base – as I’ve stated previously. Hat tip to you for coining the term “signification” that’s a good one.
Dave,
Stop apologizing to Sharina – I’ve played this game with her several times before. Sharina, it’s your M.O. to ask “show me where I said “blah blah”, you derail the conversation and you ask for an apology – you know full well what “nutshell” comments are – your argument style is juvenile.
I agree with Dave, I’ve seen comments to the effect that “white people think this” and “white people are against blacks” I’ve seen these comments from Linda and Pam and Adeen on the feminine side, and several male commenters here too. If you agree with their comments – it’s the same as if you said them. I’m not going to search all your posts – you type a lot, but I think you support those other women who claim victimhood.
King of Trouble – neighborhoods get voluntarily cleaned up all the time – google it. Cities continue to have trash pick-up – organize a group to tackle a particular site and call your alderman to arrange a dumpster or two. You (a generalization use of “you” for sharina) can’t expect someone to do everything for you – that is how neighborhoods become run down. Neighbors need to stay on top of it, or it turns to sh!t with litter, bums and graffiti. Empty warehouses might be another story, but if there is no food source, there typically isn’t a vermin problem.
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@ King the blog itself is not extreme at all. A few of the commenters are, however. The term “cave bi**hes” is used by at least two of the women on this blog quite regularly, and is tolerated/pormoted on the blogs they host. Likewise, Average Bee’s contributions do have a rather scary and militant flavour to them.
Of course, a site like stormfront is a million times worse because all of the commenters are white supremacist, racist nutcases.
No doubt this comment will cause a pile on – I really don’t care.
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*promoted. Yet another typo, sorry.
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“@ King the blog itself is not extreme at all.”
No, it’s just a perception brought on by taking the most extreme cases and making them the rule—which is, of course, is not fair.
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@King you said every commenter is not going to be fair or consistent, but they don’t get but& raapes if they do (Like some unfair commenters do on here). I think there is a reason for that,.. part of it is what color you are. It’s sort of like the knockout game… look the other way if the guy shares your color. I realize most people on here are sensible and you can have a civil debate with them. That’s why I believe fair policing is important. If you don’t share the mentality with the hate sites, then don’t play by their unfair rules, and hold different people to different standards only by who they identify with. Now of course that is up to Abagond to do . It’s my right to voice an objection, he doesn’t have to do it. I love living in a free country for that reason. No matter how many hate blogs are out there , you can always start your own that is great. I would start my own blog if I had the time minus the hate and unfairness.. but It may have some bias as Abagond does because I think there is a need for a blog like that. You don’t see many. They turn into hate sites real quick even if the intention isn’t there because you can’t police everyone. I’m sure Abagond pulls his hair out with that , and overall he does a decent job with it, even though I just criticized him, I do believe that. But it’s sort of like your favorite quarterback who just won the game.. there is always room for improvement.
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@Sharina.. don’t take my kindness for weakness. I may be a nice guy, but I don’t owe you an apology for something I didn’t do. Enough already, I’m not a pushover.
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@King and as far as voting just for Democrats.. not very beneficial imo. Should have switched to Republican and voted for Ron Paul. That is what I believe should have happened. But not that you got Sharptone on Msnbc probably isn’t going to. He sold out big time… But that is another matter for another time. (He did come out against the knock out games surprisingly) even though that was a good thing… more evidence he sold out.
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Really I take that back … It may still happen. Alternative media is becoming more powerful , and many people are waking up to “the game” the news media is playing with us. You guys are right to say that Fox and others are forcing division with this, . So did every other news station with the Zimmerman trial. It was 24-7 coverage for a month. You guys bought right into that and it was one victim. Some extreme people were saying “Self Defense” needs to go. not on here but on some other blogs. People are freekin brainwashed.
That being said… this (the knockout game) is out of control and Obama could speak up about it and do some good.but he is also brainwashed and probably thinks it’s all a right wing scam. That is also fueling division in this country. I’ll say this I think there is a reason the democrat is a donkey.
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Maybe a segway for you there Abagond? Should blacks vote democrat?
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@ dave why should Obama say anything about the knockout game? Law enforcement for incidents like the ones you are citing is the responsibility of state government. Wouldn’t it be more appropriate for police chiefs/commissioners to comment?
As I said in response to another poster, a few youtube videos do not constitute a trend. There are horrible teens in every country and of every description.
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@wordynerdygirl I saw the video about the guy that was shot and he said it is a trend, he called it a game that he and others do, He admitted doing to at least five more people.. and that is just him. By the way this is worse than random assaults, because these people aren’t expecting this and it throws your equilibrium off. It’s not a boxing ring or a video game.. there is a good chance you can hit the concrete or a curb and have a brain hemorrhage. MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY DIED! sorry but I don’t see why you don’t get it.
As far a president Obama. He is still well respected in the black community. If he came out and condemned this as he did after the Zimmerman trial it would go along way with these kids. After the flashmob attacks in philly mayor nutter condemned the attacks and they stopped.. period.
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@wordynerdygirl… Maybe someone will write it for him and put it on a teleprompter… Nutter spoke from the heart… maybe it won’t have the same effect sadly.
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@ dave Obama wiped the floor with Romney in the debates. No teleprompter required.
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I just found this…Nutter spoke about this as well. Listen to some sense please….. This is from this week. He is very matter of fact. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S78KKIDw1G4)
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Yeah he’s a really good liar isn’t he?
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Anywho.. I know Abagond will probably now delete some worthwhile comments, please don’t venture too far off topic…
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@ dave I’ve responded in the Open Thread.
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It’s sort of like walking a tightrope …as you noticed I would venture a little then segway right back to what the topic is “The knockout games”
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@wordy… thank you.
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Dave,
Hopefully white, Hispanic, and Asian community leaders can talk to their youth as well. As to curb the occurrence of this knockout game in white, Hispanic, and Asian communities, because its pretty prevalent there also.
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@ Christopher Columbus: Comment deleted for use of racial slur.
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Yes, that’s true. But there is also a reason for that. Abagond’s site seems to cater to two kinds of comments. One kind is a rather straightforward intellectual discourse on a given topic. The other is what I would call a cathartic comment. Sometimes people come here to blow off steam, or punch the metaphorical punching bag. In such cases, the person may not be exactly fair or consistent in what they say, but they are reacting to racism that they have experienced elsewhere.
This for perspective: If there was a Native American website, and from time to time, some of the posters there complained bitterly about White people and how bad they were, would you immediately jump in and say, “Hey, what’s the matter with you, haven’t you people ever heard of fairness?” Ask yourself why you would probably cut them some slack. Now apply the same logic and reasoning to Black people who sometimes come here and say things they probably wouldn’t say elsewhere. In most cases, if a person is consistently unfair in their comments, they will be eventually called out by somebody, and at the very least, they will notice that people are not responding much to their comments.
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@ Dave
“don’t take my kindness for weakness. I may be a nice guy, but I don’t owe you an apology for something I didn’t do. Enough already, I’m not a pushover.”
You now owe me two apologies. Not once but twice now you have jumped down my throat when I clearly said and let me quote again… “ok. Thanks for explaining” You did do this twice as I can quote where you have for you too.
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@Riverside_Rob
It also means thanks or thank you or I’m impressed. Would you like the link for that? I’m sure you know full well it has many definitions so no need to play games (though that seems to be your only trick).
“Thus your comment on my comment is off base”—No it was not, but trying to sweep it under the rug will not do. You took my post to be a response to the ridiculous questions you asked TP (when it was a response to KOT ). You then cowardly tried to throw the blame at Deepfried and added a hat tip (probably hoping for him to get the heat). It was like watching an elementary student yell “but he did it first!” In the end it does not matter who did it first because you did present those questions and in your own words so….nice try but no.
“Stop apologizing to Sharina – I’ve played this game with her several times before. Sharina, it’s your M.O. to ask “show me where I said “blah blah”, you derail the conversation and you ask for an apology”—It is funny how it is my M.O. when it seems more to be the M.O. of individuals such as yourself to claim I did something and not be able to provide the proof where I have. Then as to your famous M.O. disappear or try to deflect. 🙂
“you know full well what “nutshell” comments are – your argument style is juvenile.”—Says the pot to the kettle. If you can read then you know full well he started that sentence with YOU HAVE (though we already established a lack of comprehension on your part).
As to the rest of what you said, did not see the part of my comment where I said I disagreed in regards to what some do…..though I point back to what I said before “though we already established a lack of comprehension on your part. “
“If you agree with their comments – it’s the same as if you said them. I’m not going to search all your posts – you type a lot, but I think you support those other women who claim victimhood.”—-That is your problem right there. YOU THINK (which is not working out much for you). I have said on this blog several times there are certain things I agree with TP on. This is not a mystery nor is it hard to find and when you are on a post claiming I did something and can’t take the time to find this something on that post then you are foaming bs at the mouth. Because one black in this room says something is not a good enough argument for claiming I did something.
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“Riverside_Rob
agree with Dave, I’ve seen comments to the effect that “white people think this” and “white people are against blacks” I’ve seen these comments from Linda and Pam and Adeen on the feminine side, and several male commenters here too”
Linda says,
R_Rob, you need to stop telling lies and putting my name in your falsehoods.
At no time have you EVER read anything I wrote that said “white people all think alike or that they are all against black people”… if you can’t comprehend what you are reading, then you need to stop commenting.
I am specific when I speak about people, dear, such as when I am calling you out as the racist you are, I say “white racists” or “white race realists”
and if I do generalize, I say “white Americans” or “white European”– I like to actually NAME ethic groups or Nationalities with my generalizations because I realize that every one is NOT the same or think/act as a collective — I recognize that Ethnicity and Culture counts. I don’t lump all white people into any group — that’s what you do.
stop trying to pull me into your warped Racist world like you did on the other thread, trying to act as if you and I share a common goal:
Fri 15 Nov 2013 at 21:59:32_ Riverside_Rob to Linda
“I don’t preach hate, but I am growing fonder of the idea of being separate, segregated if you will. I don’t care if you’re town is nice or filled with shantys, I just want to be free of you. In that regard I have the very same feelings as many on the blog – Adeen, Adonis, Brothawolf, Matari and I think you too.”
you and I have Nothing in common — you’re all by yourself in your desire to lead a separate, segregated life —
I’m not black American but yet you THINK you know what my beliefs are because I see and talk about white American society as I see it, (through my immigrant eyes) and some of it happens to fall in line with your fellow Americans who are black — your fellow brethren who fought and died so that this country could be built and prosper.
The problem with you R_Rob is that you don’t understand the world that non-white/non-white American people live in or the dynamics that affect our lives. You think by reading this blog or watching the news, that you’ve got everyone figured out…
am I supposed to praise America as the unbiased, colour-blind society that it tries to sell itself to the outside world as, when I know different after stepping foot on American soil — I call it as I see it, the same way, as a member of the British “Commonwealth”, I see the mother country for what it is.
Americans don’t treat us black or brown foreigners any better once we’ve settled in– because once we start making money — then all of a sudden, we are taking bread out of your children’s mouths and you want to create laws to put us down or keep us out — so you can save your half-a’sed psycho-analysis for someone who cares about your opinion — I see you for what you and your white racist kind are.
The unfortunate part is that your hate taints American society and your governments policies and the average American is blind to the damage it causes…
that’s why they and white racists like you, all are sitting back wondering why everyone else around the world don’t like America (those who don’t wish to move here) … keep waiting for your white Utopia, R_Rob, and start learning Chinese and Spanish while your waiting.
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dave:
….These discussions can be healthy. It needs to go both ways though. You can’t expect to just point fingers at an entire group of people and never face any rebuttal
From what I have seen on my relatively short time on this blog there are people who are frustrated with constantly having to defend the wrong doings of a ‘few’ and it is not surprising. You are guilty of having a kneejerk reaction on posts I have seen of yours, even the one that triggered this post was supressed panic.
I dunno but it seems to me you are not a diehard racist but, you have a hard time separating PoC who are bad from the majority of the people of that race who do not do bad things. Its like you want the people on here to answer for them – if this is not their mindset and approach to life they cannot. Apart from corporate villains can you honestly say that you are as concerned about the effects of white crime as you are about others? If you are then you should look at what you write on here because your posts tell a different story.
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Okay, Dave and Riverside_Rob…
Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye!
I, Brotha James Wolf, here by apologize in the name of the entire black race for being more scarier to white people than a nuclear apocalypse!
Maybe that will ease your minds a little bit.
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@ King and Solesearch:
You both bring up salient points about my “list.” But so as not to derail the topic of “Knock-Out Games,” I’ll post my comments over on the Open Thread
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@Brothawolf
uh oh. You sure you want to do that?
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Sharina,
I’ll have to wait and see. 🙂
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Abagond:
I think that the Style Guide offers a good rule-of-thumb, but who determines when race is or isn’t germane to a story?
If you’re suggesting that race hasn’t been part of the “knockout game” reporting simply because none of the victims has raised the issue, then you’re probably being naive.
Ultimately, when such an obvious (if uncomfortable) fact is omitted from mainstream reporting, people grow more distrustful of the media and of each other, which ultimately weakens the social fabric.
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@Brothawolf
Yes I think we all will have to wait and see. Though after reading Linda’s post I was just reminded on how much of a liar Rob actually is. I don’t think anyone in here could get an honest word out of him.The expectation of logical conversation with him is null and void.
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Sharina,
I agree.
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@Ominpresent
From what I have seen on my relatively short time on this blog there are people who are frustrated with constantly having to defend the wrong doings of a ‘few’ and it is not surprising.
Why do some blacks put so much time and energy into defending? It shows you harbor guilt, the same as whites who spend time and energy defending what whites do.
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@ Randy
The press has been racializing it in spite of the rule. I wrote a whole post about it
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@Jayis
There is a difference between defending the whole race and defending yourself. Most white racist or race realist or whatever the heck they call themselves are defending all white people. They (if you have seen) make excuses for those that do wrong. Much of this comes from the idea or belief that one is talking about them.
Most blacks in here are not excusing the act of someone that does wrong, but are trying to defend themselves for being painted as the evil person that committed said crime.
So your theory of them harboring guilt holds no weight.
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um u on the wrong thread?
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oh nevermind
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amen sharina the whites that defend racists, attack the victims and say why are u offended most of the ppl on here are saying don’t use a small percent of these knockout crimes to justify already present racism/white supremacy and use it to really police and be afraid of blacks. black “leaders” have came out against this knockout mess. we know not all whites are racist but even the ones that say they are not racist participate in some way of aiding and abetting the real racists. If people want to go after the ones committing this act of violence go ahead I have no problem with that but don’t use it to justify stopping and frisking/ punishing more people when u were already doing that. I have no issue with the ppl being punished for their crimes, the whites that are not racist do have an issue with the racist ones being punished that is why they helped gz and why they say they are against reparations and why they tell ppl to get over things and not be offended by racist costumes. They may not have owned slaves, they may not be a cop, they may not make the racist costumes, but alot of them dam sure co sign with it, they are ok with stop and frisk, they are ok with the costumes, they are ok with a lot of things that don’t affect them.
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Jayis said:
Why do some blacks put so much time and energy into defending? It shows you harbor guilt, the same as whites who spend time and energy defending what whites do.
about my comment Ominpresent:
From what I have seen on my relatively short time on this blog there are people who are frustrated with constantly having to defend the wrong doings of a ‘few’ and it is not surprising.
I dont know if I agree there – if you are constantly being blamed for something that you didnt do, that is out of your control, most people will defend themselves.
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@mstoogood4yall
I agree and being ok with it is part of the problem and not part of the solution.
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1. Linda
“Riverside_Rob
agree with Dave, I’ve seen comments to the effect that “white people think this” and “white people are against blacks” I’ve seen these comments from Linda and Pam and Adeen on the feminine side, and several male commenters here too”
Linda says,
R_Rob, you need to stop telling lies and putting my name in your falsehoods.
At no time have you EVER read anything I wrote that said “white people all think alike or that they are all against black people”… if you can’t comprehend what you are reading, then you need to stop commenting.
Rob responds
Linda- you’re mistaken. First post on Renisha Mcbride is you – it’s Open Season on blacks, right.
1. Linda
So now because of the George Zimmerman case,
it’s “open season” against black people and all these racist punks think they can shoot a black person and get away with it because of the Stand Your Ground law
I wonder how your resident “race realists” plan to spin this one, Abagond.
Here’s another quote from you:
1. Linda
R_Rob, where’s the link to your list
you can bring in lists all day and play tit-for-tat
you white racists are busy indeed… if you try to google “white violence against black people” a whole BUNCH of websites pop up that discuss black-on-white crime… talk about trying to control the narrative and media spin..
I bet you white racist give thank God everyday for the Internet — the fastest way to spread your lies and hate.
“Despite the election of our nation’s first African-American president, African Americans remain by far the most frequent victims of hate crimes. Of the 7,624 hate crime incidents reported nationwide in 2007, the most recent year for which data is available, 34 percent (2,659) were perpetrated against African Americans, a number and percentage of incidents that has changed little over the past 10 years.
According to the FBI’s HCSA report, more than twice as many hate crimes were reported against African Americans as against any other group”
http://www.civilrights.org/publications/hatecrimes/african-americans.html
The State of Hate: Exploiting the Internet to Promote Hatred
“Extremists have taken advantage of the open forums and venues on the Internet, as well as new technologies, to promote their bigoted ideology.
Whereas hate mongers once had to stand on street corners and hand out mimeographed leaflets to passersby, the Internet has allowed extremists to access a potential audience of millions — including impressionable youth. It has also facilitated communication among like-minded bigots across borders and oceans, anonymously and cheaply enhancing their ability to promote and recruit for their cause.”
And finally:
1. Linda
Linda says,
R_Rob is not gullible nor is he ignorant… he knows EXACTLY what he is saying and why —
he is achieving his goal every time he types and comments — black people are not his target– he wants to use your responses to show and say to the average white person: “see, I told you they (black people) hate us”
he is a professional Racist… they use the code word: “race realist” online and his only goal is to go on blogs or controversial topics and spread hate…Trayvon Martin being portrayed as a “thug” was not accidently…
These racist PURPOSELY repeated their message long enough for most ordinary white people to start believing it…. Trayvon Martin was one of their most successful onlinePropaganda War’s that they won.
I wasn’t kidding with the article about the Neo-Nazi and other white Hate groups using the Internet to spread their Hate — they are targeting middle-class white Americans, (white North Americans period) and Europeans by continuously spreading fear that black and brown people are taking over or taking something away from them .
For the last 15 years, the Europeans on the Continent have gotten more vocal about their immigration “problems” with Arabs and Africans… the National Fronts in various European countries are even more Active than ever before.
These “race realist” groups are strategically using the Internet to spread their message against black people… it’s not by accident or ignorance… to these loons, they honestly believe that the “white race” is in danger…
I might make fun of them from time to time, but I recognize that they are a serious threat because they have infiltrated political groups, corporations, and many other facets of our lives.
it doesn’t take much “whispering” in their ears by white race realists to get ordinary white people to see things their way —- and scare them to death by saying “black people are criminals or “black and brown people are taking over”
that’s why if black Americans and black and brown people around the world don’t get our sh’t together and stop fighting and hurting each other — we shouldn’t be surprised about the negative outcomes
People need to wake up and realize what is happening
I think I attributed correctly to you those qualities I described.
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@ Linda and Brothawolf
“white people all think alike or that they are all against black people”… if you can’t comprehend what you are reading, then you need to stop commenting.”
It went right over his head. smh
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“Riverside_Rob,
I think I attributed correctly to you those qualities I described.”
Linda says,
no R_Rob, all you did is proved MY point when I said I am being specific — you are a white Racist…and I prefaced my statements and described people who think like you_ white people who are Racist
None of my comments stated that I think “white people as a group are white racist”… I called you and your kind (white racists) out for what you are__ white racist.
The term “white racist” describes a certain group of people, it doesn’t describe ALL white people and you know that — just you and your fellow white race realists.
the white people who aren’t white racists like you are not included in the white racist category… but you already know this…
all you are doing right now is telling me that I hit a nerve…
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@Abagond
The knockout game is no myth as some have been trying to paint it as. There is simply too much video evidence, many black teens have admitted to doing this, the police are in a tight spot because they’re unable to speak about it honestly without being labeled racists and all the bad PR that will bring. Many reported crimes are not investigated because if they don’t investigate it, there’s no record of it, and if there’s no record of it then on paper black crime isn’t that bad and it may even appear that black crime has gone down. But that’s just not the truth. Because of this, a lot of victims of black violence stop reporting crimes because ‘why bother’ if the police won’t do anything about it?’ So much black crime goes unreported by the media… its no myth. I used to think it was, but it isn’t. I’ve seen it happen far too much for it to be coincidence. The media actively covers up black crime….
As a black person myself, I have to say that covering the issue of black failure up will only make things worse.
@Sharina… Your research? Got any sources?
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@Abagond said “White hate crimes: There are way more white-on-black hate crimes than black-on-white ones. Not a trend.”
Oh this is rich… lol… Abagond, do you have any sources that confirm this? In fact, you probably do because you know why? Usually, if a black person commits a hate crime against a white person, and admits it’s a hate crime in that he enacted this crime because of the individual’s race, the black criminal will almost never be charged with a hate crime. Hard to believe, huh? I thought so too, until I saw it happen over and over and over again.
I wonder how many of those arrested during ‘beat whitey night’ were actually charged with hate crimes. Now imagine a horde of whites running around a state fair chanting ‘beat darky night’ while beating blacks..
People like this blogger who ignore the issue of black violence or deny it are nothing more than mafia wives. Just disgusting…
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@Big Boss
The source to said research is in the post were I said I researched. Feel free to click the link
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I am sure white youth participate in this foolishness as well, but it is under reported by the media. The black/ brown youth always get magnified in the news and the ignorance perpetrated by white youth is ignored.
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@ Linda: You know a hit dog will holler, (wink, wink, nudge,nudge) Lol! You get my drift.
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@mary burrell
Media under reports any and everything that is not going to bring them in ratings. I always try to tell people to stop relying on the media to tell you what you need to know. In our area we have a jail report (newspaper of those who were arrested). It has been fair in reporting everything the media (news outlets) “doesn’t have time” to report.
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Is it me or am I the only one getting the feeling of the pretend to be black persona?
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@sharina: No you are correct, there are faux pretend black people among us.
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@Mary Burrel
“I am sure white youth participate in this foolishness as well, but it is under reported by the media. The black/ brown youth always get magnified in the news and the ignorance perpetrated by white youth is ignored.”
Interesting that you say this. Where are the dozens and dozens of Youtube videos of white teens doing flash robs and rioting? Believe it or not, we no longer have to rely on the media. A lot of times, regular people with nothing to gain will show what reporters are simply not allowed to.
Although I don’t disagree with your overall point. I don’t disagree that white kids do participate in these type of acts, but honestly, the large majority of people who instigate these problems are black, and that’s a guarantee almost every single time.
@Sharina
Interesting again… Sharina, I wonder, what did you think of the media’s coverage of the Trayvon Martin case? Was that under-reported as well?
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@Big Boss
I don’t look at the news so I am not the best person to ask that. Also you might want to reread what I sad. Let me quote it here for you.
“Media under reports any and everything that is not going to bring them in ratings. ”
Emphasis on “ratings.” So high profiles do what for media sources?
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correction said*
I also don’t read newspapers I just look at jail reports.
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“the large majority of people who instigate these problems are black, and that’s a guarantee almost every single time.”—Since you can guarantee then do you mind providing proof of this guarantee? I am very curious on who it was that instigated these acts of violence and where they began.
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Riverside Rob, those are community clean ups that take money. I know I have organized a few of them. In both poor neighbors and not so poor neighborhoods. They are both an issue of money, and who exactly owns the land rights. Rats can thrive on almost anything they are a very successful animal. Highly intelligent, and are very good at survival. Even in the cleanest of neighborhoods rats are around somewhere. That you don’t see them is probably a tale sign of how great of survival skills they have. Much like cockroaches, rats are very good at adapting.
You cannot do a clean-up with some form of government it might just be the going to city council for paper work. Streets and sidewalks are own by the city.
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@ Big Boss
Why? Do you have a theory?
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Part of the reason the media underreports crimes by whites is due to the fact that the executives are friends with, related to or have close relations, business, political or otherwise, to the white community. It’s just a theory.
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@all
If you look at it honestly, yes, there were some white attacks involved, the one hasidic jewish guy in NYC I believe the perp was white or Albanian or something like that. But if some of you who feel that the attacks from white kids are under reported were to be honest, you would see that.. if it was a majority of whites, and the victims were majority black, it wouldn’t be covered up by the media. Blogs like this would be all over it, and it would be 24-7 coverage. It would be the proof you need that white racism is spreading and rampant. It’s called “whistle blowers” and activist groups… they would all be called into action. News stories would be all over it because it would get huge ratings and there probably would be retaliatory attacks like some that occurred after Trayvon died.
As I said before this is majority black youth on unsuspecting white victims that they view as an easy target. The question shouldn’t be is the trend just youth, or black youth. The question to me is the trend racially motivated to a degree? I believe that it is. Maybe not always directly , but indirectly.
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I feel this has been turned around on people who feel this should be talked about. .. and you know what serious derailing has occured. Some of you really don’t practice what annoys you the most.
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@sharina… one comment was in moderation and I should have let it run it’s course because Abagond allowed it so it looked like I wrote it twice. Didn’t mean to jump down your throat… I just felt I made an effort to make peace with you and you still were demanding an apology.=
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@King… point taken. But I will say the gap has shrunk considerably and I myself wasn’t born with the silver spoon either. Sometimes you can’t judge people just on who they identify with. We all live in this evil ridden test (Planet Earth). It’s harder to reach your hand out in friendship with who you constantly see imbalance.
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@omnipresent.. I do read a majority of Abagonds posts… and you are right I rarely comment on the other way around white on black crime or white violent crime in general. I have a handful of times though.
That being said I do agree with alot of the posts and realize they can be necessary when mainstream news isn’t reporting the whole truth.
I believe there are some crimes black on white that also are not mainstream news and forum should be given to those to speak out against it as a possible racist crime. I never said I am now scared of black people and want to do start arresting any black youth walking down the street. Some have put words in my mouth on that one. I think one of the reasons these crimes aren’t pushed in the media is because there is an assumption that panic would ensue. See the racist people at the top are under the ASsumption that the general public is AS racist or more than them… see they don’t interact with actual everyday blacks except for the vanilla talking heads over at the news station that they really don’t view as black. at least they are not the “inner city” blacks. .. and if the poor whites (That they look down on as well) hear this well, “It could cause a real problem” The cops who also always worry about racial battles in the street also tell local news how to spin certain stories and often the race of the perp is not shown or said in fear of a lawsuit.
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…continued
In the past if you were a poor white and got attacked there were no “whistle blowers” or “activists” to go to. Now there is social media and youtube , blogs, etc. that the news media then picks up on. That’s the way it worked with the knockout games not the other way around. Now if you say that “well that fit right in to their racial agenda and it became very convenient for them to now bash black youth in general(some on FOX and others did that)” I would agree with you. But it doesn’t then make what these few kids following a trend and sometimes with a racial spin(calling it polar bear hunting) on did ok.
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@ Riverside Rob
What an amazing misreading of what Linda said. In your examples she never said “White people do x”. She said “white RACISTS do x” where x is generally something racist.
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@ Dave, Big Boy, Randy, etc
If any of you have evidence that knockout games are mainly black-on-white and are mostly racially motivated, then you need to produce it. Otherwise you have no blooming idea whether the press is covering that up. And no, YouTube videos do not prove anything – they are ANECDOTAL.
In the national news stories from November 2013 that I looked at where the race of the criminal was apparent, he was black. EVERY SINGLE TIME. There is no known category of crime in America where the offender is black every single time. Huge red flag. The victim in all but two cases was WHITE. Another red flag – since most crime is intraracial.
So this idea that the press is “covering up” the supposed black-on-white nature of the crime is laughable. They are RACIALIZING it to the max. And YOU are their parrots.
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The fear is overblown. One or a few white victims of crimes by black suspects translates to an epidemic of black-on-white crime in the minds of many white folks, especially those in the news media.
Yes.The so-called liberal media not only reports black-on-white crime, but it overreports it if they deem it necessary to do so.
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@ Big Boy
For hate crimes I am going by FBI numbers. Perhaps Holder is massaging them somehow, but there was the same huge imbalance in 2007 when both the Attorney General and the FBI director were White and were appointed by a White Republican.
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@ Dave, Big Boy, Randy, etc
Dog whistle. Look it up.
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@ Dave
The white press is not like that.
For example, there are way more white-on-black hate crimes than black-on-white ones. Something I found out from black media, not white media. The white press rarely covers white-on-black hate crimes.
Or: Unarmed blacks are getting killed all the time by the police, security guards and vigilantes like George Zimmerman. Those stories rarely get much attention in the white press. Zimmerman was the exception, not the rule.
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@dave
You only need to make peace in the case the I am truly mad at you. Your comment was submitted before mine and when I saw you made a mistake then I quickly came back to say thanks for explaining.
I may come off as harsh with you, but when i start talking to you like I do Rob then you will know full well that I am mad at you.
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@Brothawolf
I try not to even explain to the naysayers about how the media works because frankly the news is accurate when it reports what they want to hear. They don’t care that most of the time information reporting is inaccurate. They just care that it plays into what they believe.
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@dave
You don’t get it it do you? It is not the media’s job to report every single crime period. It is there choice to report crimes if they so choose. Relying on the media to tell you every single crime is like relying on snow in the south. So people blindly believe that if the media is not reporting it then it is not happening or it is not happening as much. You have false sense of security in the media.
” Blogs like this would be all over it, and it would be 24-7 coverage.”—-Wrong. Most of the crimes Abagond has posted are ones I had no clue about. No large media coverage as you claim. Christopher Lane and Trayvon Martin were the only two that I saw coverage on when waiting in doctors office.
“The question shouldn’t be is the trend just youth, or black youth. The question to me is the trend racially motivated to a degree? I believe that it is.”—Wrong and I will respond at length on it later when I have more time. If it was just black youth and black youth only then we can look more into the racial motivated factors or the game and to some degree and for some youth it may be racially motivated, but when you have blacks and other groups of teens doing it then we do need to look into detering all teens from doing it. What message is being sent when you put for efforts to stop blacks from doing it, but give other kids the green light to do it?
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@ Dave
“The question shouldn’t be is the trend just youth, or black youth. The question to me is the trend racially motivated to a degree? I believe that it is.”—It is not a question of whether it is youth or black youth. It is youth. Whether it is racially motivated or not is a side issue to people getting hurt.
Let’s say we focus on black kids doing it only and we seek to deter and punish just the black youth as you seem to be indicating. The white or non-black youth that are still doing it officially have a cover-up. They can go knock people out and get away with it. Because the media has peddled to society that the crime is a black crime and you have convinced yourself that it is only a black crime you will conclude that it is a black person still doing the same thing, when in fact it was a white person or non-black doing it.
Another issue is dealing one form of justice to one group of people and another form to another group is only going to further the divide. You can’t claim justice and unity when you punish one for doing something the other is doing as well. This same mess is going on now and you wonder why race relations are so darn shotty.
Blacks just seem to become the escape goat race in order for white society to ignore the real issue.
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DaveI do read a majority of Abagonds posts… and you are right I rarely comment on the other way around white on black crime or white violent crime in general. I have a handful of times though
The only times you comment is when Abagond does yet another post on white on behaviours to complain about his doing this.
Dave: That being said I do agree with alot of the posts and realize they can be necessary when mainstream news isn’t reporting the whole truth.
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I believe there are some crimes black on white that also are not mainstream news and forum should be given to those to speak out against it as a possible racist crime. I never said I am now scared of black people and want to do start arresting any black youth walking down the street. Some have put words in my mouth on that one. I think one of the reasons these crimes aren’t pushed in the media is because there is an assumption that panic would ensue. See the racist people at the top are under the ASsumption that the general public is AS racist or more than them… see they don’t interact with actual everyday blacks except for the vanilla talking heads over at the news station that they really don’t view as black. at least they are not the “inner city” blacks. .. and if the poor whites (That they look down on as well) hear this well, “It could cause a real problem” The cops who also always worry about racial battles in the street also tell local news how to spin certain stories and often the race of the perp is not shown or said in fear of a lawsuit.
You seem to be trying to turn this around and make this a ‘Class’ issue. Its not. You are being dishonest when you do this because you know that is not the angle you are interested in either in this instance. About my comment, it is your approach to your fears about race that I question….and they are fears. I dont believe that you is not a little bit of relief from you when another black youth is arrested… and some vindication that your fears are not unwarranted too. Thats how you come across anyway. Look at what you said here:-
‘That being said I do agree with alot of the posts and realize they can be necessary when mainstream news isn’t reporting the whole truth’
You acknowledge that the media do not always portray things in a balanced/honest way, yet the paragraph above starts talking about the fact that not all black crime is reported because ‘panic would ensue’. Think about it dave, there must be a fair bit of coverage of black crime otherwise you wouldn’t be as scared as you are would you? The only people ‘frightened’ of being called out as a racist are those who over the years have tried to assimmilate and know that they are still on shaky ground and that once the ‘brown’ people are out of the picture, the aryan’s will start looking at people who arent ‘really white’ after all. Dont know if that applies to you but if the media wanna spin something they will do it whether overtly or covertly.
It don’t seem to me that you are really looking for balance and I still believe that you dont care essentially about all sorts of crime but only about white crime people as the victims of crime. In fact, I would say it is a preoccupation of yours and an acute fear of yours – never mind if all a black individual is doing is defending themselves.
Dave: In the past if you were a poor white and got attacked there were no “whistle blowers” or “activists” to go to. Now there is social media and youtube , blogs, etc. that the news media then picks up on. That’s the way it worked with the knockout games not the other way around. Now if you say that “well that fit right in to their racial agenda and it became very convenient for them to now bash black youth in general(some on FOX and others did that)” I would agree with you. But it doesn’t then make what these few kids following a trend and sometimes with a racial spin(calling it polar bear hunting) on did ok.
Again class issues – not really what this is about but, what about if a poor white accused a black person of attacking them, would they have someone interested in supporting them then? Of course there would. What about if you were a poor PoC in the past – who would have helped them then? Do they get the support and help they need even now? You already know the answer to this dont you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dave: But it doesn’t then make what these few kids following a trend and sometimes with a racial spin (calling it polar bear hunting) on did ok.
Again, what do you want people on this blog to do? I dont see anyone condoning this behaviour but, the same way you can be ‘selective’ in what posts you comment on is the same way that people can be selective in letting you be aware how disappointed or shocked they truly about this.
Mate, you are OBSESSED and it aint good for ya, not your mind nor your spirit.
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The bottom line is that if most of the news media is run by whites, and given how the U.S. is a white racist nation, wouldn’t it stand to reason that they would focus on crime and violence committed by blacks (and browns) more so than the same committed by whites?
You can’t expect the news not to have a racial bias if the people who choose which stories to cover have racial biases. And if one were to rely on the news to tell them how the world is, then they would assume that it’s much safer to live in white neighborhoods as opposed to black and brown neighborhoods.
In the case of the knockout games, the news would reaffirm their prejudices that blacks are more violent, and if you hear several stories of black youth attacks or one black-on-white attack covered extensively or given a heavy amount of attention, then some people will think that it’s the beginning of a widespread epidemic.
In this country crimes by black people are seen as epidemics, social problems that could only be fixed when 1. only blacks can do something about it, or 2. push harsher laws and punishments, put more cops on the street and allow stop-and-frisk procedures to where those stopped must comply or else, even if they haven’t done anything. In short, it gives more excuses to oppress black communities at large.
The local news media, when it comes to crime, has a motto “If it bleeds, it leads.” That’s why in the first ten minutes of every local news program and in the front page of local newspaper, the subject most prominent is CRIME. And who is most likely a suspect? Who’s mugshot will you see? They will tell or show you a black male or black males. Black men are the most often sought criminal during a crime report in the local news. That’s why I stay far away from it as possible, not just because it’s depressing to hear or read, but because it’s put of an agenda to criminalize blacks. Period.
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By continuing pushing the idea that the attacks are racially motivated is racial paranoia blossoming. As far as interracial crime is concerned, I should be more afraid of white people pulling something on me than vice-versa. It doesn’t have to be physically violent, just offensive and demeaning which can cause emotional violence.
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There is a book called ,The Culture of Fear: Why Americans Are Afraid of the Wrong Things by Barry Glassner. For instance we fear terroist attacks and not heart disease that kills 700,000 a year. So I get the point of criminalizing a race, but randomly punching strangers in the face speaks to the moral fabric of a person. Have any of you ever done anything stupid like this? Lets be candid majority of the perpetrators commintting these act of violence are black. That being said, we do we have to make excuses or compare this violence to something else. Why?
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myth000,
“So I get the point of criminalizing a race, but randomly punching strangers in the face speaks to the moral fabric of a person. Have any of you ever done anything stupid like this? Lets be candid majority of the perpetrators commintting these act of violence are black. That being said, we do we have to make excuses or compare this violence to something else. Why?”
No I haven’t but that’s kind of beside the point. Also, we don’t know that the majority of perpetrators committing the acts are black. We just know that in the the majority of incidents reported in the news the perpetrators are black but even that misses the point as what’s driving the racial fear mongering is not only the race of the attacker, it’s the race of the victims in those news reports.
As Abagond pointed out, you have something dubiously being presented as an all black crime with almost all non-black victims but that violates not only the prevailing crimre statistics and trends but common sense as well.
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@ks
The key word in all this is common sense and I have to wonder if some in here have any or if comes and goes in spurts
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hint hint rob…..hint hint myth000 hint hint trolls.
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@myth000
I would like you to point out this said person who is comparing the violence or making excuses. I think in most of the discussions things seem to go straight over the head of certain individuals that engage in it.
As I am not in the mood to repeat myself…please examine the comments I made to dave for further clarification on America’s Youth problem and the act of passing the buck as a means of not dealing with the issue.
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@Sharina,
Agreed. All one has to do and stop and think about it for a minute and it fallls apart. Also, the experts/professionals who have reviewed this particular bit of hysteria re: “knockout games” have pretty much concluded it’s very suspect, especially in the way it’s being presented in the media and other places.
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But it is amazing how the naysayers are getting a hard on for knockout games and the “oh how violent it is” but not one would even know of or mention the vicious beating of Cipriana’s boyfriend and brother by 10-11 white men. It was caught on video and to this day not one of those men were arrested.
Like I said and will continue to say. America has a problem and to continue to push it under the rug until blacks do it will not change or him the problem. It will continue and from what I am seeing escalating.
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@Sharina,
Thnaks for the tip on Cipriana’s bf. That’s terrible. Hope he heals and they all get justice.
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Abagond:
As the saying goes, “absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence”. Also, not all victims which I’ve read about were white, and I haven’t gone out of my way to seek these stories out.
A possible contributing factor to these observations may be race-related differences in reporting crimes to police / journalists.
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@ Dave,
One thing that Whites need to practice is patience. Stop thinking that a problem that their ancestors created over centuries is going to be totally fixed in a generation. The System of White Supremacy messed up a lot of people, both White and P.O.C. And everything hasn’t even been fixed yet.
Has there been progress? Yes, but that doesn’t mean that everything is OK. Why can’t you accept that, and then move forward with that understanding in mind? Is that really asking so much?
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Liar liar pants on fire – please show the stats where you can actually PROVE the white on black hate crime exceeds that of black on white? You are a deplorable racist hate-monger with nothing better to do than excuse a bunch of black thugs who are nothing more than racists themselves from their deplorable behaviour. You should be locked up with your beloved savages.
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@gossipgirlza
I am guessing the expectation of adult conversation is out of the window. Sorry but if you are looking for a room with Elementary students you might want to check elsewhere. 🙂
“PROVE the white on black hate crime exceeds that of black on white?”—You are not to primitive to know what google is right? Do a web search.
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@ gossipgirlza
1. In 2012 there were 1,206 white-on-black hate crimes and 305 black-on-white ones. Source:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2012/tables-and-data-declarations/5tabledatadecpdf/table_5_offenses_known_offenders_race_by_bias_motivation_2012.xls
2. Please show where I excused “a bunch of black thugs”.
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King,
“The definition that I find to be most accurate is “unhealthy.” If you use the word unhealthy in place of “dysfunctional” in any sentence you will always preserve the meaning and context. So if we are talking about healthy responses and unhealthy responses, then missing a game, in order to keep your job or sanity is quite functional.
Even in cases where you must make extreme choices, they are healthy choices when their priorities are logical. They are not dysfunctional.”
So what does that do to your family life? A family can’t be functional/healthy if the other parent is never around.
Maybe you choose to spend time with your family instead of working late in order to keep your family and your sanity, but then you loose your job or miss out on a raise because you missed your deadline.
Maybe we need to define oppression? Oppression renders what is healthy a non-option. The healthy thing would be to spend your working hours focusing on your work unburdened by your boss’s racism.
Your choices are between what is the healthiest of my options, which will cause the least dysfunction, even though neither could be considered healthy.
If the oppression isn’t removed the dysfunction will only get worse.
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Randy:
As the saying goes, “absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence”.
Mate, you ought to remember that when you constantly want to people to refer to statistical evidence to substantiate things they have experienced in life!
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White Texas Man Charged With Federal Hate Crime For Knock-Out
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Thanks for the link @With Love Glenn
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Well obviously the white attacker who is being charged with the federal hate crime is a total basturd. My thing is this .. why haven’t the black on elderly white perps that have been caught not been brought up on federal charges. Part of is Eric Holder is an extreme racist himself and should charge himself on hate crime charges.
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@dave
You have to have proof that it is a hate crime before you can actually charge a person with it. Simply because a person attacks a person of another color does not mean they did it as a hate crime. If there is proof then by all means they should. If it is speculation then not necessary.
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dave
My thing is this .. why haven’t the black on elderly white perps that have been caught not been brought up on federal charges. Part of is Eric Holder is an extreme racist himself and should charge himself on hate crime charges.
Why is it that the thousands of crimes agains PoC go unpunished even when they know the perpertrators?
Your approach is dodgy to me as although you condemn certain crimes against PoC it is ALWAYS to use it as a vehicle to highlight crimes towards white people. In other words, you dont really care about what happens to black people – it is just words. You are however TERRIFIED of a black uprising and, when there is something that happens that might make black people a little bit restless, you get hysterical and start talking about black people uprising and causing trouble – just like you did on the Trayvon thread.
Also, I have said it to you once and I will say it again – the people on this blog are NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WRONGDOINGS OF A FEW. Every time you post questions like this it comes across that you feel that they should take responsiblitiy for others in their race.
What is it you want from PoC dave – what would make you sleep better at night?
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Here’s some fair reporting for you. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNVg_Hz_KzU)
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I don;t know if you can call a random youtube video fair reporting (especially when it requires search and not all individuals are crazy enough to record it), but I will say those 6 individuals need their azz whooped and put in jail. Simple as that. What exactly are you looking for?
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