Wade Michael Page (1971-2012), American terrorist, skinhead and rock musician, killed six people at a Sikh temple on August 5th 2012 in Oak Creek, Wisconsin in suburban Milwaukee. In the police shoot-out that followed he shot himself in the head and died.
The Southern Poverty Law Center has had an eye on him since 2000. He wrote songs about killing Jews, blacks and gays. He belonged to the violently racist Hammerskin Nation. Despite all that he had no trouble buying a gun a week before the massacre.
This came just two weeks after the massacre at Aurora, Colorado by James Holmes.
President Obama offered his “thoughts and prayers”, he even called for “soul searching”, but nothing on gun control. The gun makers, through the NRA, pour millions into Congressional races. Even when Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in 2011 Congress did nothing.
Unlike Aurora, the president did not visit the families affected by this massacre, undercutting his claim that “We are all Americans”.
The vigil the night of the shooting
The temple was just a block from where Page’s girlfriend worked. Most likely the word “temple” drew his attention – to him it would have meant they were not white Christians and therefore did not belong in the country. Some think Page mistook the Sikhs for Muslims, but such subtleties scarcely mattered to him.
Page mainly hated Jews and blacks. He believed Jews run America through a Zionist Occupation Government and that blacks are favoured over whites in American society.
A scene from “Pink Floyd – The Wall” (1982)
Hammerskin Nation logo
He belonged to the Hammerskin Nation, which has six chapters in North America, nine in Europe and one in Australia. Founded in Texas in 1988, it was directly modelled on the neo-Nazis in the film “Pink Floyd – The Wall” (1982).
The Hammerskins beat up and sometimes murder blacks just for being black. They paint swastikas on Jewish temples. They firebomb places. They see a holy race war coming and want their men to have military training to be ready.
They also have a music scene: not just to make money but to get their message out and bring people into the movement.
Page himself had been in several skinhead bands through the years: he played guitar, sang and wrote songs. He saw it as a way to wake people up. Thus the name for his last band: End Apathy.
Page grew up in Littleton, Colorado – where the Columbine massacre would later take place on Hitler’s birthday, 1999. When he served in the army in the 1990s the skinheads there got him interested in the movement. At Fort Bragg in North Carolina he even met James Burmeister, the skinhead soldier who murdered a black couple in 1995. (Tim McVeigh, by the way, was also at Fort Bragg, briefly, and was also openly racist.)
The army has thousands of skinheads and does nothing about it. That, along with loose gun laws, means skinhead gangs are becoming increasingly militarized. In 2009 a government report, killed by Republicans, warned that a black president and high unemployment would mean more skinheads.
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Abagond 
The devils have all escaped hell. They live here in America.
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@Peanut
There have always been racists in the US armed forces…and needless to say that hate groups like KKK have been around for many years….nothing new and certainly no worse than before.
The incident at the mosque is no different than the southern “black” church bombings/fires of the 60s and 90s.
This is just proof that racism still exists, regardless if many “whites” say otherwise.
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I live in Trinidad and Tobago and I truly believe white people get away with murder…literally. Brad Boyce is a white Trinidadian that murdered 19-year-old Jason Johnson. He was freed due to ‘lack of evidence’. What a world we live in!
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Aba,
Thanks for this post.
Some thoughts on this Angry White Male Syndrome;
Most whites globally but especially in AmeriKlan, are unwilling and unable to take a deep look into themselves as to the reasons why they are so angry. One would surmise that being white, male, Christian and heterosexual is enough to obtain privilege and thusly happiness.
Yet privilege obviously isn’t enough since violence is the only form of communication they seem to comprehend. What this country needs, in order to survive, is a mass open and honest discussion as to why white males continue to terrorize the offensive “other.”
As we continue to become a Brown Nation and include different languages and religions within our human family, it’s horrifying that whites cling desperately to their “whiteness” as a form of genetic survival.
Another thing I’ve learned about these mass shootings is the overall message these predators want us to hear. That they are superior. That they are in control and their demands will be heard.
How many more must die before this country wakes up to the fact that AmeriKlan lionizes terrorists? And then it follows. If the terrorist is immortalized in our culture as a “hero” to his people for standing up for what he believes in, that only indoctrinates a younger white male crowd into the same thought process.
It is a sad and vicious cycle with no winners.
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Skin heads blaming black people for unemployment when the unemployment rate is higher among African Americans and rose in 2012? Three quarters of America’s population identify as white and one eighth is black but black people are taking all the jobs? These people have no brain and are just trained to look for scapegoats. Within the thought bubble they’ve constructed, it all makes sense. And politicians use the racial blame game to trick lower class white people into voting against their own interests.
Anyway, it’s a pity this guy didn’t shoot himself before taking all those innocent lives. Anyone can be a thief or murderer but you have to have pale skin to be a member of a white supremacist group. That’s a very solid profile. Me = wary of whites I don’t know well.
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@ Origin
Then allow me to please ask:
Is the formation of hate-groups nothing but a projection of what whites hate most about themselves? Is all the hate regarding the “other” really self-hate?
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@Origin
“Anyone can be a thief or murderer but you have to have pale skin to be a member of a white supremacist group.”
Not true, some white supremacist groups demand a check to see if you have any “savage” blood mixed in with whatever white ethnicity they happend to be. To them, if you have anything not white, doesn’t matter how pale you are, you’d be considered a half-breed and be seen as lower than “pure” whites and therefor a part of the problem (not knowing who’s truly white).
White supremacist groups are a joke, the only thing is when they decide to act out their hate onto people, instead of typically spouting about as if people care to listen.
It’s a shame this guy decided to attack a temple of all places, instead of being a passive racist like most of them are. *shrugs* what can you do, but hope idiots like them who are around stop the mindless hate, or atleast do so silently.
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“Skin heads blaming black people for unemployment when the unemployment rate is higher among African Americans and rose in 2012?”
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Let’s not forget that it’s not only the Skin-Heads who believe this common nonsense. A good number of OTHER (supposedly learned and non racist) white people believe this lie – and other racialized Fox News/Rush Limbaugh type falsehoods pertaining to all/most black people. Witness the white mainstream fear/belief that Obama was going to somehow disenfranchise white people for the sake of black folks.
The White Racial Frame – the DISTORTED (negative) beliefs about blacks that many/most whites in America hold on to is a persistent mindset that persists even after hundreds of years. The skin-heads are merely the most violent and most militant of disgruntled/deluded whites who are feeling some unwanted changes coming.
Law professor Derrick Bell firmly believed that if non-white (other) people didn’t exist/live in America, white people by necessity would have to create some bogey men/women to fear, scapegoat, mistreat. Otherwise they would turn on (Balkanize) themselves.
Whiteness is demonic!
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“Entitlement – Entitlement or a ‘Sense of Entitlement’ is an unrealistic, unmerited or inappropriate expectation of favorable living conditions and favorable treatment at the hands of others.”
http://www.outofthefog.net/CommonBehaviors/Entitlement.html
White racists, such as Wade Michael Page, suffer from a sense of self-entitlement. They of course accuse all others of this, but it is they who truly exhibit it, and on a monumental scale.
They seem to truly believe that they, over or before all others, should be given access to jobs, goods and services based solely on aspects of their physical appearance, i.e., “race”, which are nothing more than accidents of birth.
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The chef at the restaurant where Mitrice Richarson disappeared played the same type music.
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“Matari
Let’s not forget that it’s not only the Skin-Heads who believe this common nonsense. A good number of OTHER (supposedly learned and non racist) white people believe this lie – and other racialized Fox News/Rush Limbaugh type falsehoods pertaining to all/most black people.”
Linda says,
Matari…truth that you are speaking.
This is what drives me crazy about the American media and it’s politicians–the lies they are willing to tell and spread in order to feed the disease of the white American public.
I hear this word “entitlement” and “handout” and all I’m thinking is — “What Handout?”
I do my part as a US taxpayer and these people can k’ss it with this bulls’t about black/brown people and “entitlements”
The average black family in US are working/middle-class (and legal immigrants) pay into the tax system, and have the same issues as white Americans, so I don’t see how black people are “supposedly” receiving any benefits from the government.
If I lose my job tomorrow, lose my health insurance and can’t pay COBRA, I can’t get Medicaid because I own a house and have assets—so, where is my handout or government assistance?
If white Americans are scared or upset that black people are/might receive “so called” entitlements, then the US government needs to stop taking Social Security and Medicare out of my paycheck because MY money, that I work hard for, is currently being used to pay for these old white American’s excessive and expensive a’s medical bills.
I pay so much taxes/SS/Med each month that sometimes, I forget how much money I really earn because my net income is substantially less than my gross income. I look at my yearly Income Tax and go “Wow, I actually made that much money!” because I sure didn’t bring it home with me.
The white American public are a bunch of sheep and they believe everything they see and hear on TV, and that is why corporate American will continue to own them.
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Linda and Matari
http://diaryofanegress.com/2012/08/19/the-conversation-we-need-to-have/#comment-3026
The hatred and violence will continue and expand unless this is exposed/ discussed/ and or terminated.
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This is scary stuff to read. I really wonder how these people get involved in such groups. What must have happened psychologically for them to reach such a stage of racism? Or is it simply a combination of their own warped thinking and everyone else’s casual subtle racism that makes them believe they are undeniably correct?
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“What must have happened psychologically for them to reach such a stage of racism?”
Simple, fear of the unknown. Seeing as specifically in the US, whites have always been “the” race, they fear the days that as the population dwindles so does the american way.
They feel it’s their duty to protest/fight/and kill to maintain what they believe should be white and white only. That’s why you see more and more becoming hardcore racists/white nationalists. They believe in the myth that they can’t possible live/exist with any other race that they’ll fight to the end to maintain that myth.
Plus, add to that the thought of them thinking they’re going extinct (I really don’t understand this one, as whites have generally always been the minority of the world) and you have a ticking timebomb of idiots who will never learn.
Being partially white myself, I did have some of those same thoughts. But I never really took them to heart, as I find it stupid to dwell on it. Better to think ahead at a better future waiting to be seen.
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One, white supremacists are the dumbest and most spoiled people on the planet. They think that EVERYTHING should belong to the somehow oppressed white race. What’s more puzzling is that they think Jews, white Jews are somehow different from whites and don’t count as whites.
Most white supremacists are nothing but whiners, but sadly, as proven by Page, there are some who are a violent threat.
Two, not to deviate from the subject, but there was another shooting by a white male terrorist at Texas A&M last week. I think we’re seeing the angry white male syndrome unleashed.
Three, I’m not surprised that the President didn’t visit the victims of the families affected by the Sikh temple massacre. Chicago has had one of their bloodiest and violent summers to date, and he hasn’t even utter a word about them. In fact no one in the mainstream has as of yet, and we all know why.
These kinds of tragedies will continue to be committed by white people because white people are in extreme denial that they as a whole have MAJOR problems, one of them as seen in the Sikh temple is that they have a problem with people who are physically and culturally different than they are.
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Great comment @truthbetold..
Aga, do you have an “Angry White Male” post? If not, may I suggest one?
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@Yawn
The White Race is going extinct, I think mathematically speaking we only have another thousand years left.
And if we bred without racism, only another one hundred in the US.
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And what makes these skinheads ridicilous? The whole skinhead style was fashion of the black caribbean immigrants and working class kids originally in 60’s, Rude Boys and Skinheads and ska music, rock steady etc.
Other than that, it is pretty weird that openly racist hate groups can openly arm themselves and operate across the USA when the street gangs are designated as “street terrorism” and we all know what happened to Black Panther Party earlier. That tells a lot.
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“The White Race is going extinct, I think mathematically speaking we only have another thousand years left.
And if we bred without racism, only another one hundred in the US.”
I know, but historically we’ve always been the minority, and yet their NOW whining about it. That’s why white nationalism is on the rise, though I still say it’s unnecessary. But eh, what can you do… some people want to believe in race and want to see the “survival” of it (and yes, that was a subtle jab at some here).
If you’re so attached to the notion of race and being surrounded by nothing but those whom look like you, then they’d have a problem with it .. I do not though.
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I am scared of the racist skinheads – but I’m even more concerned about the European-Americans who do not see theses racist attacks as a MAJOR concern and as a byproduct of their own culture of xenophobia, and as a continuation of centuries of oppression of the ‘other’.
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[…] "The Southern Poverty Law Center has had an eye on him since 2000. He wrote songs about killing Jews, blacks and gays. He belonged to the violently racist Hammerskin Nation. Despite all that he had no trouble buying a gun a week before the massacre….Even when Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in 2011 Congress did nothing." -Abagond – click title to read more – "I am scared of the racist skinheads – but I'm even more concerned about the European-Americans who do not see theses racist attacks as a MAJOR concern and as a byproduct of their own culture of xenophobia, and as a continuation of centuries of oppression of the 'other'." -Glenn Robinson […]
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Mankind is the problem not Just white people , In Nigeria an islamic sect called boko haram have unleashed a wave of bombings and violent attacks upon innocent victims of same ethnicity , rwanda genocide also comes to mind . black on black crimes in america’s innercities . HUMANITY IS MESSED UP , PLAIN AND SIMPLE . I’ve lived long enough to judge for myself , humans are just plain messed up . not trying to take guilt of white peoples shoulders , for their past crimes , but let’s be realistic every white person is not evil neither is every black person a saint . we all are cracked vessels .
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WRT to Rwanda, one should take a look at how the Belgian Colonial government emphasized a rift between Hutu and Tutsi. The Tutsi were considered closer to “white” because of how they looked. However, there really is precious little genetic difference between the groups. As for Islam, that is not even a African religion. I don’t mean to be offensive but you have to be totally brainwashed to fight against your people for an ideology that was imposed on your culture.
That is my problem with black people: the identity confusion and internalized racism. That is at the root of many of the issues we see. Granted, it was not accidental but when is a critical mass going to wake up? I think it was also Boby Wright, who abagond mentioned in another post, that came up with the idea of “mentacide”. The cultural thought patterns that serve white supremacy are extremely self-destructive when assimilated by the intended victims.
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Smh @ this tragedy, (and the countless other atrocities as well)!! The true “colors” of this nation seem to virtually exploding into the lives of those considered “others” on quite a frequent basis these days..Seriously time for some major round-table discussions here in the ole’ U.S.!
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@ Abagond
Do you find it amusing how a post on white supremacy and its machinations gets sidetracked to how blacks “started” the skin head movement?” Do you find it amusing that a post designed to further explore the “whys” of white rage and violence gets derailed by saying this is a “human” problem?
Abagond, my definition of white supremacy is as follows:
Individuals who classify themselves as “white” who participate in a GLOBAL system to humiliate, terminate, oppress, subjugate and terrorize all other individuals that classify them selves as “non white”. This system is linked to ALL areas of human life from birth to death.
White racism / supremacy is the culprit of ALL suffering in the world. Including the suffering of themselves. They do not want to understand that their suffering breeds:
1. Insecurity
2. Lack of spiritual awareness
3. Apathy
4. Ignorance
5. Fear
These violent actions are a physical manifestation of a larger internal issue. Something the whites on your blog CANNOT and WILL NOT admit to is :
Whites act.
Coloureds re-act.
Why? Because the people that hold the power make the rules.
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@robert uyi
White Devils vs. Black Devils…The Common Link?
Yes, whacked-out blackmen are killing innocent sistas and brothas in Nigeria in the name of Islam, but, who is the genesis of the problem…White Muslim Men? Boko Haram and Al-Shabab are byproducts of whitemen from the Middle-East who have exported their insanity to the shores of Africa. At the same time, blackmen in this country will defend the same group of whitemen with no shame, but they have black blood on their hands just the same. We love to talk about the KKK and skinheads in this country, but condone the “Black KKK” in america who have killed more blacks than the klan ever did in totality. Again, who inspires this group of blackmen…Whitemen! If we’re gonna throw stones at evil blackmen, we can’t leave whitemen out of the convo. Time-Warner, Universal, Sony/BMG, Clear Channel, Hollywood, NFL, NBA, etc. Black people complain, but we don’t wanna confront “Whitemen In Suits” who are the puppet masters and ringleaders of the bs that we deal with. Include Disney, Comcast, Viacom, News Corp, all of them. We’re the stupid ones, believing that whitemen had changed for the better. How does all of this relate to black folk? The greatest fear of whitemen is an “Enlightened Black Male.” They’re not threatened by other men, it’s blackmen they fear the most. Why? We’re the only obstacle in their way, as it relates to having total control on this planet…money, power, women, resources, etc. Robert, blackmen need to wake up? A lot of us are in denial about what’s going on in this country. We obsess over hip-hop, sports, cars, sex, and other ish at our own peril. Evil whitemen are plotting our demise along with their “Black Sons” who do the same as them…Kill Black People!!!
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@ Robert Uyi
Where did you learn to think and talk like that? I never said whites are uniquely evil and yet you feel the need to argue against that position. Like out of the blue. Why? Plenty of whites do that, it is not just you. Like they learned it somewhere. What is going on?
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Whites do not UNDERSTAND true equality. True equality for whites = whites on top and everyone on the bottom. Pres. Obama’s 2008 election was a wake up call for whites invested in the cause of white supremacy. Hence, you had calls to “take our country back” and “save America” and “real Americans.” Whites see multiculturalism as an insult on their white supremacy.
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@ Diary
Yes, amusing.
I would not say ALL suffering, but certainly a huge percentage, directly or indirectly: we live in a stolen world remade for white people.
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“we live in a stolen world remade for white people”
thats a good phrase, Abagond
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@ Aba
“Where did you learn to think and talk like that? I never said whites are uniquely evil and yet you feel the need to argue against that position. Like out of the blue. Why? Plenty of whites do that, it is not just you. Like they learned it somewhere. What is going on?”
LOL!
Aba, didn’t you read the white book?
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@abagond … you said “Where did you learn to think and talk like that? I never said whites are uniquely evil and yet you feel the need to argue against that position. Like out of the blue. Why? “……….
You can’t be serious… Why? Because your agenda rips through the page flies through the screen and slaps us all in the face.
Your recent posts have that sort of “White men have problems” pattern to them. I have heard people on here that say that white owned news organizations have an anti black agenda just reporting the news. Not going further to generalize a whole race of people as you try to do here… oh wait you say “MOST whites…not all.” give me a break. Then you get surprised that after you stirred the pot some smoke came out. Come on you can’t thing people are that stupid.
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@Robert Uyi
If you’re “not trying to take guilt of[f] white peoples shoulders” then why on earth would you commence with a Black rapsheet?
As Tyrone mentioned, Nigerian terrorism is borne of islamic zealots (islam originates in Arabia, not Nigeria, if I’m not mistaken).
The Rwandan genocide is a consequence of Tutsi and Hutu education and control by Roman Catholics who instilled racial superiority of Tutsis and instituted a system of segregation.
As to “Black on Black” crime in America, most “blacks” are killed by other “blacks” just as most “whites” are killed by other “whites,” yet I’ve never heard of “white on white” crime.
Yes, blacks killing other blacks in America is sad, but MOST of the time it involves young males over money/drugs. Since African-American males have the country’s highest unemployment and poverty rates, this should come as no surprise. In majority black communities where poverty and unemployment are much lower, violent crime is consequently much lower.
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@dave
Abagond’s post is on Wade Michael Page, a murderer from a known hate group who killed innocent people in a place of worship.
Where in this post did Abagond equate his actions to all “white men” or generalize them? This post is very informational….it tells about Wade Michael Page. Did you actually read it before you started ranting? How you or anyone else could take offense to this particular post is incredible!
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@ dave
Interesting. So is writing about Wade Michael Page a slap in the face?
I have never ever said whites are uniquely evil. Do you honestly think I do not know about genocide in Rwanda or black-on-black crime in America? You might be excused in thinking I do not know about Boko Haram, but I do. The “Broken Africa” News Network has made sure of it:
http://articles.cnn.com/keyword/boko-haram
Fashion tip from moi, as Ankhesen would say: If you are excusing skinhead violence – or genocide or slavery or racism – you are doing it wrong.
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@ Dave
Of my last ten posts only one had that pattern. Certainly not this one.
I did not frame this as a White Pathology post. Instead I point fingers at loose gun laws, the army’s not cracking down on skinheads and Obama’s cowardice.
I could have framed Page as a violent extreme of what most white men are. I could have tied it to the Psychopathic Racial Personality post. I could have talked about the perpetual foreigner stereotype. I did none of that. I did not even say, “Most white men blah blah blah.”
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@resjan and @abagond, my comment was more in reference to your comment directed at Robert when you were surprised to hear that he was saying blacks commit hateful acts as well. Because he is black he must have “learned” that somewhere. In my opinion he made a fair and balanced observation. When you read through all of the comments, your post is not just about the events that occurred, but seem to go a little further and try to develop some pattern into the white male psyche.
You blatantly deny that…… but just as white racists might have their heads in the sand , as do some black racists, which you have admitted you are one of them.
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PS “Most whites” and “Most white males” is a common phrase on here. so blah blah blah to that.
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@Abagond
The origin of skinheads would be a rather interesting post (minus its current connotations). As for this character, it seems like a rerun, since this issue was brought up during the 90’s. The attitudes are (as was then) can be cloaked into other areas (i.e. conservatives). I’d rather just browse the ska music section…:/
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@Dave
So, you could not find anywhere IN ABAGOND’s POST where she said “most whites” etc. You can’t even find a reply on THIS PAGE where Abagond used “most whites” except to tell you that she did not previously use it.
Abagond only drew a parallel to McVeigh because he ALSO served at Fort Bragg and was openly racist…..
You are simply shifting the blame, knowingly or not, off this racist killer. The article is not about all the bad things white or black people have done…it is about Wade Page, and yet you and Robert felt a NEED to talk about why whites are not all bad and blacks are also bad. It’s illogical.
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@ Bulanik
Sorry for the misinterpretation on my part. I should’ve been clearer. What I meant was how some will try the “blacks did it too” argument as a derailment.
My apologies.
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@ Bulanik
The history of skinheads is certainly on topic, but Uyi’s comment was a derailment.
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@ dave
You and Mr Uyi need to read what I wrote and not assume what I mean.
Uyi is arguing that whites are not uniquely evil. I have never once anywhere ever said that whites are uniquely evil. Not in this post. Not on this blog. Not anywhere in any comment. Not even offline in private. I live in a white society that MAKES SURE I know about the evil things blacks do. It is pounded into my head. Believing that whites are uniquely evil would be like believing 2+2=5.
A huge cause of white misunderstanding on this blog is that MANY whites, unlike most blacks, try read my mind instead of my words. Most black commenters assume I have an opinion of my own. MANY white commenters assume they already KNOW what my opinion is without reading it. This leads to poor reading comprehension.
I do not know if Uyi is black. I do know he is whitewashed from the way he talks.
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I think it is important to show how the extreme racist movement hijacked the skinhead fashion and style because not many know the caribbean roots of that style and music. Also it was not a accident, like Bulaniks bit tells.
In one documentary I saw one old (former) skinhead said that close cropped hair came from the fact that as a working class kids they had no money for barber or they wanted their mother chopp their hair, so they cut it off or down to suede style. Heavy boots ansd shoes (Doc Martens came in 70’s) were also usefull because they lasted longer than ordinary shoes and because many working class kids went to work on factories and docks as teenagers and used those footwear both as working shoes and at freetime.
What drove them to the black jamaican clubs at least in London in 60’s was that those guys, blacks, were as down looked as they were and the music was something else (not pop. Beatles, hippie stuff etc.). Also the style of jamaican rude boys was similar in many ways as was the additude.
As for the violence, it had always been part of the working class cluture. Men drank heavily after the working week and fought on the streets, and the kids did the same. The first soccer riots occurred back in the late 1890’s and were also part of the working class scene in which the skinheads were ready to raise hell almost at every chance.
As Bulanik said, the right wing polticians saw these guys a good catch for their agenda.
The same thing happened again in the late 70’s with the second wave of ska and skinheads in England. At first it was black and white kids again, but then National Front began its recruiting drive among the skinheads and football hooligans. Among the latter it was not that successful since for football fans their club was their politics and religion, but skinhead style was hijacked. In film This is England the story is neatly compressed, from the start to the end, as based on the life of the director of that film .
But the appearace of the nazi skinhead movement in early 1980’s was not just an accident. European neo nazis had been trying to recruit supporters for a long time. What they saw in skinheads, they liked, but it was only after america neo nazis and racists began to finance the drive, also give advice and support, print magazines and make records and videos, the nazi skinheads became the Thing (this has been prove and told by european media years and years ago, proven by european police, researchers etc). Americans also invented the White power rock as a new music for the nazi skinheads, and the swedish right wingers started to release that music in Europe. Ska and rock steady was, after all, music by the black jamaicans. The media focused to the nazi skinheads and said that skinheads are nazis, and more the nazis joined in or adopted the style.
But it certainly would be an interesting post, if abagond has the time, since it is also a good example of how the racist rightwing does and can replace whole cultural phenomenas and claim them as their own and make everybody believe that its version is the right one and the only one.
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(http://www.victoryartgallery.com/)
mohawk haircuts were used by troops getting ready to invade on d day….of course Im not saying they were the original skinheads but they did sport that hair style before the skinheads
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Sam:
Americans also invented the White power rock as a new music for the nazi skinheads..
Disagree.. the British band Skrewdriver was probably the best known early Nazi Skin band and they started in the 70s several years before White power music aka Hatecore had any impact in the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_power_rock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver
Nazi skins and White power music in the US decidedly came later and had lower representation than in Britain.
Bulanik:
AFAIK, the “mohican” (in British English) was not worn by the original Skinheads, but by the punk rockers who came later.
That was my experience, generally, at least in the US, wearing a mohawk aka a mohican was a clear sign one was not a skinhead and sometimes people with mohawks were targeted by skinheads.
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@milton, bulanik:
We should not forget that there was even leftist skinheads, known as red skins, also they had their bands etc. and they were very much anti nazi guys. Red Skins was one of their bands. I’ve seen picture on the cover of an collection album (Oi Oi, or something like that) with white, brown and black skinheads posing for the camera. Damn, can’t remember the name of the record or the bands on the album.
But I bet if you go and ask the present or former members of the band Specials are they nazis, you would get pretty angry answers. After all, half of that band was black guys. One of their better known songs was Skinhead Moonstomp.
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I just had to post this Wow they said children should model their lives after this guy.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/22/13415785-monument-to-civil-war-general-ku-klux-klan-leader-triggers-controversy?lite
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I wonder how all these racists in the army handle a Black drill sergeant.
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@ Son2380
In Mobile they had “reenactments” where the south won! And everyone believed it.
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@ diaryofanegress
The Souf shall rise a-gain! Yeeehawww!
I have White ancestors who had sons in the Confederacy and it sickens me to know that their home is used as a shrine by some of these ya-hoos. They even have “Confederate Christmas” there.
Creepy.
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To Bulanik:
It seems, looking in, that when whites form groups for the promotion of white-only interests, does “the public” grow suspicious?
Yes.. there are a number of well funded and organized associations which monitor White hate groups. The two oldest and best known are the ADL (Anti-Defamation League) and the SPLC. (Southern Poverty Law Center..) Some groups engage in direct action (meaning they hold counter rallies when White Supremacists gather or out and out fight them…)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/20/1093174/-Anti-fascists-Attack-White-Nationalists-in-Chicago-Suburb
Local and national law enforcement also monitor Whites associated with hate groups. There have multiple WNs arrested in the past few decades before they ever fired a shot or thew a bomb. The more vocal they are the more likely they will be infiltrated and if they are committing illegal acts.. (Planning terrorist attacks, stock piling illegal weapons…) they are arrested. After all White Supremacists are considered a threat to the US government and they believe that Federal agents and the police are their enemies. (Some of them call the US government ZOG – Zionist Occupation Government..that’s one clue as to how they think…)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutaree
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/georgia-militia-terror-plot-toxin-exposives_n_1070677.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/08/nation/la-na-nn-alleged-nazi-plot-florida-20120508
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Bulanik is absolutly correct that most terrorism on American soil is by racist white terrorists, who certainly vote on the right…
As a matter of fact, the real white racist terrorists in the USA were the first ones who talked about forming individual cells and acting autonomously , way before Al Queada
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@bulanik:
Yes, this aryan non sense is really weird, considering that the roma people, gypsies, are the closest thing of aryans in Europe. On this light it is really weird that nazis went after them too.
But while we find the racial term “aryan” weird, stupid nonsense and even funny, equally stupid nonsensical and funny racial term “caucasian” is taken seriously and doing fine in USA. What that tells us? It was invented around the same time as “aryan” in the same context by the same racists in the same racist circles, in the context of the same racist theories, but still USA is using it as a race definition officially. It is still widely used as a valid racial definition. Not “white” but “caucasian”.
That is really revealing.
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Unlike the turban-wearing folk that were targeted and discussed in the newspapers, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a helpful listing of drawings showing white guys – each with a paragraph of explanation – telling us which ones were safe, which ones could do harm…
The article you posted indicated that most Muslims don’t wear turbans.,. which is the case for every Muslim I have known except for one… also the 9/11 attackers were pointedly not to wear attire identifying them as Muslims.
There have been numerous articles over the years detailing the paraphernalia, attire, and distinguishing tattoos of Neo-nazis. Overt symbols such as swastika tattoos can bar your induction into the US military.
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“The article you posted indicated that most Muslims don’t wear turbans.,.”
Should read
The article you posted indicated that most Muslims in the West don’t wear turbans.,.”
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To Sam:
It is still widely used as a valid racial definition. Not “white” but “caucasian”.
Both terms are officially in use. I know people who use the term Caucasian because they do not like to identify themselves as White.
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So? Even if the article indicated most male Muslims didn’t wear turbans, Wade Michael Page (and his ilk) couldn’t distinguish the ‘difference’. That’s why the article was so – helpful.
Not sure what Page thought but I suspect that he didn’t care if his victims were Muslims or not.
You can Google turbans and find plenty of information on the various sorts of turbans around the world and who wears them and how to tie them on Youtube, Ehow.com, Wikipedia, etc.
Numerous articles? Never seen one. Drawings of white men and explanatory paragraphs, lists of tattoos, etc, etc, separating wheat from chaff…..um, NO.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2141937/Spot-neo-Nazi-Right-wing-extremist-wanted-attempted-murder-arrested-police-identify–By-tattoos.html
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/default_graphics.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_symbolism#Runic_letters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_power_skinhead#Style_and_clothing
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-20111163-10391709/inside-americas-neo-nazi-movement/
http://www.yuma.usmc.mil/services/eo/documents/tattoos.ppt
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/Triskele.asp
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=neo+nazi+tattoos&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&biw=1920&bih=951&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=HUA7UObsPMmw2QWHvIGgAg
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2006/fall/motley-crews/racist-skinhead-glossary
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To Bulanik:
I’m am rather curious; which people do you mean, specifically?
Some people I have known over the years.. many of whom are left of center politically and would be construed as White.
Why don’t they like to identify themselves as White?
Maybe because terms such as Caucasian pride, Caucasian, power, or Caucasian supremacy… don’t exist. White supremacists.. in the US call themselves White.. not Caucasian.
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drawings of ordinary people next to possibly dangerous ones and how to differentiate the different types, like in the original article
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/lifestyles/links/turbans_27.html
If you mean the article above, no where does it say that any of the people in the drawings are potentially dangerous. That’s your interpretation.. (which I really doubt you actually believe but do so just for the sake of argument..) and it would have been useless in identifying any of the Muslim attackers in the US.
So your point is moot.
And yes there have been articles in print and movies which differentiated the appearance of N@zi skins from anti racist skins (often close in appearance but the racist skins generally have racist tattoos (other links have already detailed these..) and red and white laces in their boots.
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@ Uncle Milton:
It’s not the first time drawings have been used to distinguish friend from foe. Here are examples taken from several magazines such as Time and Life during WWII.
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Oops, I meant pictures. Anyway, here is the drawing I was referring to.
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Some things never change.
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To leigh204:
It’s not the first time drawings have been used to distinguish friend from foe.
Where in the article that I linked does it say “these are your friends and these are your enemies”…?
Also no turbans on any of these guys:
And there are multiple reports that some of them were at a strip clubs the night before the 9/11 attacks not exactly Islamic behavior.
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Atta,_alcohol,_strip_clubs_and_drugs
Then there is the guy who looks like every day is corporate casual:
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leigh204:
Some things never change.
You are making a false analogy. It was a simple article about how turbans are worn around the world and it makes absolutely no mention of who is a “friend or foe”.
Would you have know this guy would become part of 911 attack team..?
One of 911 attackers Ziad Jarrah:
If you do any reading you will know that Muslim terrorists in the West have assimilative behavior so they will not be detected.
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@ Uncle Milton
Two of Leigh’s pictures said nothing about friend or foe, so were they innocent informational pieces too?
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To Abagond:
Two of Leigh’s pictures said nothing about friend or foe, so were they innocent informational pieces too?
Nope look again.. they all discuss who is a friend/ally or enemy:
This photo:
comes from:
http://www.ep.tc/howtospotajap/
Look at the first page:
http://www.ep.tc/howtospotajap/howto03.html
As for this one above it states:
“…distinguish friendly Chinese from enemy alien Japs..”
The third one says it in the headline:
“How to tell your friends from the Japs”
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Forgot one: The Anglo-Saxon
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@ Uncle Milton:
Turban or not, Wade Michael Page was unable to make a distinction. And it’s very telling when you see a drawing, basically, a guide of various men wearing turbans, to distinguish them from a taliban member to sikh men.
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@ Uncle Milton
Most Americans, even those at the Seattle Times, know their country is at war with certain men in turbans. It is not a Coincidence that such “guides” appear during wartime. Leigh was on the money.
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Most Americans, even those at the Seattle Times, know their country is at war with certain men in turbans.
The illustrations of various types of Turbans was a link from this article:
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20010927&slug=turban270
“Understanding turbans: Don’t link them to terrorism”
“Not a good indicator
The irony of the American focus on turbans in the wake of the terrorist attacks is that, at least in this country, turbans are a very poor predictor of a person’s involvement in terrorist violence.
“Needless to say,” said Ellis Goldberg, head of the Middle East studies center at the UW, “none of [the hijackers] was wearing any type of turban.”
It is not a Coincidence that such “guides” appear during wartime. Leigh was on the money.
I disagree the article and illustrations were trying calm fears about people who wear turbans, not inflame them.
Now as to Afghan men and turbans. Much was made about the Northern Alliance whose leader, Ahmad Shah Massoud, was murdered just two days before 9/11 by an Al Queda operative. They were lauded heavily in the press and often wore the same or similar style turbans as the Taliban:
Northern Alliance soldiers with turbans:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8811033/A-decade-of-war-in-Afghanistan-in-50-pictures.html?image=1
http://www2.indystar.com/library/factfiles/crime/national/2001/sept11/northern_alliance.html
http://fineartamerica.com/featured/northern-alliance-troops-under-general-everett.html
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@ Uncle Milton:
Whose fears is the article/illustrations trying to calm? White people’s fears? And even if people could tell these turban wearing gentlemen apart, some murderous, delusional, racist person(s), hell bent on destruction, wouldn’t care about differentiating turbans. As long as the person looked different, wore different attire, basically, not white, that’s all that matters to them.
By all accounts, Wade Michael Page is considered a domestic terrorist. Now when you think of a terrorist, the common thought is that everyone who wears a turban must be a terrorist. Oh, but wait, Wade Michael Page didn’t wear a turban, did he?
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By the way, Wade Michael Page’s rampage is remarkably similar to the February 14, 1977 crime to Frederick Wm. Cowan. Page is the Cowan of the 21st century.
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By the way, Wade Michael Page’s rampage is remarkably similar to the February 14, 1977 crime to Frederick Wm. Cowan. Page is the Cowan of the 21st century.
Here are similarities:
Both killed six people
Both had two siblings
both shot in the head
both had military backgrounds
both got in trouble in the military
both had tattoos
both shot the police officer
both shot victims from India
both are white supremacists
both are racists
both are bald
both birth years end with an odd number
both ages in the range of 31-40
both had handguns
both had shootings on the first half of the month
both mother’s names are seven letters, (Beverly and Dorothy)
both fathers are retired
both days of birth end with an “1″, (November 11 and June 1)
both have victims over 29
both praised Hitler
both praised the Nazis
both does Nazi salutes
both are racist against non-whites
both have connections to Holmes (Cowan shot Frederick Holmes while Wade Michael Page lives in Holmes Avenue)
both have connections to Fred (Cowan shot Fred Holmes, while Wade Michael Page’s friend was a Fred Lucas)
both have connections to James and Holmes (Cowan shot James Green and Frederick Holmes), while 16 days after James Holmes shooting, Wade Michael Page start shooting the people and he died by his own hand.
both shot police officers of Celtic origin, Gaelic origin, ancestry from the British Isles, 16 letters long, are New Yorkers, came from New York, Celtic first names, first names five letters long, middle names five letters long, last names six letters long, both names have five syllables long ,both shot police officers have children (Allen Bruce McLeod have two children and Brian James Murphy have one biological child). both have a child have five letters long (Allen Bruce McLeod is Scottish, while Brian James Murphy is of Irish origin)
both shoot Indian victims that have the birth years in the 1940s and both came from British India.
both shot at police officers have three letters long (Ray Satiro and Sam Lenda)
Also, both shot at police officers have also have names begin with S (Ray Satiro and Sam Lenda).
both have muscular builds
both weigh over 200 pounds
both lives are returned to obscurity
and both are gone for good.
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Wade Michael Page is the son of Jesse Alvin and Beverly Page.
Jesse Alvin Page is the son of Jeff and Hazel (Roberson) Page.
Jeff Page is the son of Daniel Charles and Ann Page.
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So wait, they produce/listen to music with African origin to use it with their cause? Lol, just like with the swaztika symbol being originally Indian they took this too. Laughable.
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This shit right here had me cracking up LOL
“Yeah you mothafuckin’ American, I am BadASS!!!”
[img]http://www.biyokulule.com/sawiro/sawirada_waaweyn/al-Qaeda2.jpg[/img]
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