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Black pathologies are those things that hold Black Americans back, like crime, drugs, illegitimacy and dropping out of high school. These are things they are doing to themselves. Racism is dead. They need to stop whining about white people and face up to the problems in their own communities.
How to argue black pathologies:
- Make it about comparative rates. Because blacks are only 13% of the country, stuff like rape or illegitimacy will be largely white. So instead make it about the rate. It does not matter how bad the white rate is. All that matters is if the black rate is worse.
- Whites are normal. Whites do not have pathologies because their behaviour, no matter how extreme, always counts as “normal”. Whites commit genocide? Everyone does it. It is human nature. Blacks rob a 7-Eleven? Something is wrong with black people. They have criminal tendencies. The crime rate proves it!
- Make it a black thing. Put the word “black” in front of it: Black crime. Black illegitimacy. Black fatherlessness. Black gangs. Black high school drop-outs. See how that works? Do not talk about crime in general, just black crime. As if it is mainly a black thing. As if the black sort is somehow strangely different.
- Correlation is cause. If those born out of wedlock are more likely to wind up in prison, then make black illegitimacy the cause of crime. Even though it is hardly the main cause. Likewise, if those who are married are less likely to fall below the poverty line, then make “the breakdown of the black family” the cause of poverty, not the other way round. Be sure to make it about what black people do, nothing else. If someone makes it about what white people do, say that making general statements about whites is racist and anti-white.
- Internal v external causes. When coal mines shut down in West Virginia and crime and poverty among whites go through the roof, it is called “bad times”. When steel mills shut down in Chicago and crime and poverty among blacks go through the roof, it is called “a tangle of pathologies”. Know the difference! Whites can blame the economy, the government, social trends, food additives, Mexicans, Muslims, blacks and even reverse racism. Blacks are only allowed to blame themselves – otherwise it is called “whining” and “not taking responsibility”. Tell the author of this blog post that he is “letting blacks off the hook.”
- Statistics and charts – use them! They are so easy to twist! If others come up with counter statistics, twist them too! Or give a long, confusing explanation about why they are wrong.
- Studies. Find studies that support your point. There is bound to be one. A good study is hard to understand but has simple charts.
- Inconvenient truth. When black people say you are twisting numbers, that it is not like that and blah, blah, blah, just tell them that they do not want to face up to the hard truths.
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Abagond 
Great job. This one belongs in the “Broken Records” Hall of Fame as a reference tool.
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[…] The white racist guide to black pathologies | Abagond. […]
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Well written article.
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The racist trolls always love to use these points as deflection arguments.
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where is the story behind this picture? anyway great post, now how long before the people this post was written about show up…
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This is brilliant and so very true. They just love to use ‘comparisons’ to ‘prove’ their point, which is always the same: that black people are somehow, some way, committing most of the murder and mayhem in this enormous country, and what’s more, that black people are somehow violent ‘by nature’, UNLIKE THEM. As someone said in a comment on this blog, their attitude is “I’m white and I’m right”. As if we are all one day going to break down in tears and cry, “You’re right! Oh God, you’re so right, we are bad!” Ahhhh…..NO.
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Rates are racist. Statistics are racist. Scientific studies are racist. In fact, evidence is probably racist, too. You guys should probably just ignore all that racist evidence.
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I remember onetime I was in a “debate” with a white person about Hurricane Katrina and how it affected people well when race came up and I made some points he not only told me to ” Lay off the cool aid” but also looked at a spelling error I made and BAM!!! He and other whites all did the same thing and said things similar to “your grammar makes you look uneducated.”
It’s kind of funny now that I think about it but it made me wonder why they always wanna switch the subject.
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But I came across the article about “Derailing” and it made sense. I enjoyed reading this post. Good piece.
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I also find point #5, ‘internal vs. external causes’ to be particularly apt. In addition to all the external causes listed for white wrongdoing (which rarely happens anyway) there are a number of others, including but not limited to:
The sun
The moon
The weather
Natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes, floods, etc.
Sunspots
Magnetic fields
Bad parents
Religion
Provocative clothing (worn by women only)
Unemployment
‘My wife left me’
‘My kids hate me’
‘My boss hates me’
President Obama
Immigrants
Black people
Conspiracies
False Flag operations
The Chinese
Etc. etc., etc. You get the picture. Because ‘personal responsibility’ is for other people, not them.
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I think your #2 and #3 are very key. Why label things “Black”? Even when whites want to talk about some evil or atrocity that they did, they will not call it “white”. For example, the decimation of the Native American peoples is not called a white genocide. At best it is called the Native American genocide.
It would be like calling the Nazi holocaust as the European Jew holocaust — making sure that the perpetrator is not in the label (and therefore, probably could not be helped).
If blacks shot whites, it would be called a black shooting. If whites shot blacks, it would still be called a black shooting. If whites do it to other whites, then “white” is not added.
Eg, white mass shootings and massacres. The one in Wisconsin is called a Sikh mass shooting. The others are just called mass shootings.
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Great post! I was just listening to a C.O.W.S. podcast where the guest repeatedly used all of the these strategies and more.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-c.o.w.s.-w-the-white-voice/id572466171?i=162813629&mt=2
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Are they tattooing IQs on kids’ foreheads now?
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@pamela, you forgot add two popular external causes they give for their actions:
The devil and God.
@agabond, you forgot another technique:
Whenever they are not allowed to dominate any situation, it is always the worst form of oppression ever.
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Da Jokah
Rates are racist. Statistics are racist. Scientific studies are racist. In fact, evidence is probably racist, too. You guys should probably just ignore all that racist evidence.
Thank you for that delightful and accurate demonstration 🙂
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I think Abagond could now do a post on the “International Guide to White American Pathologies”.
Target audience: NON-Americans
to put it in perspective with black pathologies, Native American pathologies and Asian-American pathologies that the white American media and politicians promote.
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[…] The white racist guide to black pathologies […]
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@ Abagond, this post is one of your best.
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@ Jefe:
I was thinking pretty much the same thing.
Remember not longer ago, when President Obama made the outrageous error of telling the people of Poland that there were “Polish death camps” during the time of Nazi occupation in their country? There were no Polish death camps.
That a Nazis creation and enterprise.
In that one mistake, a nation’s history was distorted: “… as if there were no Nazis, no German responsibility, as if there was no Hitler”, according to Poland’s PM.
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The picture is from a PSA on black fatherlessness. The “64” means the 64% of blacks who grow up without a father. I do not know how they arrived at that number.
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@ Jefe – In the thread about using charts and statistics you insisted that Abagond’s argument as weak and also that you and I were making the same argument. We weren’t and I was going to write you back explaining why, but then Abagond wrote this post and now I don’t have to, because it really explains everything.
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@ThatDeborahGirl
Actually, his #6 here was exactly my point about his post. (As Abagond points out), White racists love to draw on statistics and charts to point out (or even “prove”) “black” pathologies, yet then Abagond drew out similar statistics and charts to counterpoint — ie, following the same methodology that he was rallying against. Then in this post here, he points out that it is what white racists do. But then he did it too. That is why it impressed me as weak.
Tim Wise did not do it that way. He took one statistic and took a simple, but robust approach to discredit the use of a particular misleading statistic. He did not bring in new statistics from unknown sources or reconfigure them to create a different result. He sliced through the misleading use of the particular statistic like a hot knife through butter.
I have no problem with the current post. I agree with it. But if Abagond is going to criticize white racists for using statistics and charts to validate black pathologies (which he rightfully should do), then he has to be a bit careful about using the same approach to present his counterpoint. The end result is more confusion. And it will reduce his credibility as he is using the same approach that he is criticizing.
So, likewise, this current post is explaining and supporting my position in the other thread also.
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@Bulanik
So, did you notice anything strange about calling the internment of Japanese-American behind barbed wire in concentration camps during WWII as “Japanese-American Internment Camps”? Should it be called “White American Internment Camps (for Japanese-Americans)”? Is the killing of Vincent Chin an Asian-American hate crime or a white American hate crime? When ethnic Chinese and blacks were lynched in the late 19th century and early 20th century, should we call them “white” lynchings, ie, put the perpetrator in the label, not the victim?
How are these outrageous errors any different from the one Obama committed?
People have no problem calling the mass shooting at the DC Navy Yard a couple months ago a “black” shooting.
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Oh. I get it. Any attempt to address the problems in the black community–like the very obvious illegitimacy rate–is racist. What, then, of works like Charles Murray’s “Coming Apart: The State of White America”? In that work, it’s made pretty plain that the “pathologies” you mention have, after 50 years of Great Society-like effort, been spread around evenly enough to turn even historically immune sub-populations and suburbs a bit more “ghetto.”
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@ futurodellanazione
This post does not say that “ANY” attempt is racist. It says that the approach outlined above is racist because it is based on racist double standards.
What is wrong with talking about just illegitimacy or, better yet, fatherlessness, which is more to the point? Why in the world would a white person want to talk about BLACK illegitimacy in particular? In my experience nearly every white person who has done that had no true concern for blacks. Because those who did, those who were truly concerned about illegitimacy, were also just as concerned about white illegitimacy too. They did not racialize it. Because why would they?
Blacks can talk about black illegitimacy and whites about white illegitimacy because in that case they are talking about their own communities. Their interest is presumed to be sincere, and most often it is.
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@ abagond
But RATE is an important factor in social science. Look at methamphetamine, for instance. Why target black, inner-city populations with anti-meth messages and programs when, for whatever reason, blacks don’t seem to be into meth, while rural whites are killing themselves with it?
If I’m in charge of a state police agency and I have limited budgets, I’m not going to waste money to target a message at populations that, statistically, don’t need or respond to that message.
But, that said, it goes back to the other point I was making about Murray’s work analyzing the slow moral and social rot of white society. The post-LBJ welfare state and post-1960s amorality society has instituted such a system (or network of interlocking systems) of anti-family, anti-marriage, anti-stability government dependency that your point is valid. Illegitimacy isn’t “just” a ghetto problem, statistically, like it once was. Those “pathologies” are everywhere.
I think it’s just taking a while for white people to realize that, before long, they, too, will be “ghetto.”
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post is true
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Good post, but it contains an important and perhaps easily overlooked caveat: what makes such discussions “racist” has to do with double-standards.
Abagond:
My “community” does not begin and end with people of my own race.
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@Anne:
Thanks for responding. I actually didn’t leave out God and the Devil, I just included them under the umbrella term ‘Religion’. But as everyone knows, there are many, many other external reasons why whites flip out or commit criminal acts through no fault of their own. Just read through some of the local news stories that appear in newspapers or on the Internet, or listen to local radio and television broadcasts every single day, and you’ll hear plenty. In fact, an entire book could be written on the subject.
There have been several recent cases during the past year, such as the guy in NYC who got drunk at a burrito place and picked out two random black customers to pick a fight with because he blamed them (and all other black people) for his recent job loss (he claimed he was fired from Goldman Sachs), and the fact that his wife left him. Then there’s the guy who was recently arrested for buying kittens from Craigslist, taking them home and naming them, then devoting a room in his home, which he called the ‘kill room’ where he would kill the animals because he was ‘mad at society’. I won’t sicken anyone with the gruesome details. And then there’s the Mayor of Toronto, who SOMEHOW found himself in a crack house where he SOMEHOW found himself using crack. He did admit that what he did was “stupid”, so I guess we can give him credit for that. But,you get the picture.
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Reblogged this on Aisle C.
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OK, I’m about to get extra black.
I don’t give a shit what Tim Wise did or how he did it. I don’t care that you were more enlightened or, more to the point, entertained, by what Tim Wise said. I don’t give a fuck. If I had a pocket full of fuck, I still wouldn’t give you one on this.
#6 does not make your point about Abagond. It makes the point about YOU. You were the one who went on the long ass diatribe about how Abagond’s point was weak- and then you had the audacity to co-sign it with some bullshit like – “We (meaning black people) need to focus on fixing the problems versus presenting weak ass argument with charts.” You still have yet to address me on your ass backwards thinking on this. Like black people are supposed to collectively jump up and address all the false data out there about us. That’s what we have black intellectuals for. That’s why we have brothas like Abagond. And I sure as hell don’t appreciate you being all like…well Tim Wise said…man, fuck Time Wise.
Now look. I’ve just about had it. I’m sick today, and you and I are NOT making the same point. At all. So I’m going to try to express myself succinctly and clearly while jacked up on Robitussin.
If Abagond’s charts and statistics show that black people are just mirroring overall trends – then what the hell problems are there to solve that are SPECIFIC to the black community?
NONE. None. And you’re on my last damned nerve because you seem to equate Abagond using charts and statistics to promote the TRUTH is along the same lines as some damned racist using statistics to promote their tyranny.
It’s not the fucking same man. It’s just not. And stop acting like it is. Cuz you’re pissing me off and my cold medicine is not allowing me the filter that I usually have to tell you off in a polite fashion. Or maybe I’m just using that as an excuse. Either way, you’re wrong.
Abagond has a fine line to walk? Abagnd has to be careful? Man fuck that. Abagond’s credibility is only “compromised” for the same reasons as usual: because he’s black and telling the TRUTH – not because he used a goddamned chart.
The only thing weak here, Jefe, is your logic.
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And by the way, don’t pretend to support me and then continue to make the opposite fucking argument. That is some condescending bullshit that is not appreciated.
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Nah, you missed the best argument tactic of all. Find an article that uses all those racists newspaper reports, collates them into categories and drop it into the cauldron of discussion. Watch the race grievance afficianados contort themselves to ignore the turd in the punch bowl.
Like this – africa associated peoples behavior on public transport conveyances. read for your please or disgust, or ignore as you like. Your little world of “why is everyone always picking on me” is getting smaller and the odds that “Open season on blacks” that is decried on this post quite often just might be a sefl fulfilling prophecy.
http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2013/11/afros-and-transport-today-and-yesterday.html#more
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So ‘on point’. I always say,whites find,I mean MAKE UP, statistics to prove everything for their advantage to perpetuate the white supremacist system.
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Riverside_Rob
Every new comment you make is getting more and more irrelevant. If you don’t like what this blog is saying, LEAVE. You don’t have to stay here.
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Abagond: What is the story of the photo with the 64 on the little girl’s forehead?
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@ Mary
Scroll up. I answered that in one of my comments.
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I think the photo is saying that racist scientist say that black children have low I.Q’S. That is probably what the number 64 is about. That reminds me of that Bell Curve rubbish.
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@abagond, Thanks for responding. I see now. I was all the way off.
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@Brothawolf
I have found that old rob suffers from a series of delusions of grandeur. With a huge case of confirmation bias and a hint (a huge understatement here) of projection. It is quite interesting to simply sit and watch him and his arguments fall apart.
Notice how often he has and continues to be addressed on certain matters and how he still believes it is just being ignored.
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Sharina,
I see the same thing. Now, it’s getting woefully pathetic to see him make a parody out of himself.
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This is an excellent and useful post.
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@ mary
well great guess I didn’t know what the 64 meant, I thought it was some kind of symbol or meant something else like the number 69 rofl.
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@mstoogood4yall: I tried. rofl@69.
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@DG,
You seem a bit wired. 😛
You think the current post supports your prior argument. I think the current post supports my prior argument. It’s a difference of opinion.
Why don’t we just agree to disagree? No need to hurl personal or moderated language!
Peace.
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sharina, nice of you to speak up. what arguments are falling apart? your avoidance of what I say isnt’ the same as debunking what I say. You understand that right? You and brothawolf are cute when you play patty cake and call me pathetic, but my arguments and sources I cite are relevant and directly related to your postion vis-a-vis your victim status.
I don’t feel ignored here, you’re always good for some sanctimonious comment, but I think you’re reading the posts. Heck, I’m just trying to keep real with some outside perspective for y’all.
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@Riverside_Rob
So which post should I direct you to where I not only debunked what you have said but laughed in your face as you scurry away to find new information? How about we change it up and you actually debunk something I say without ( and this will be the big trick for you) me looking it up for you?
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“I think it’s just taking a while for white people to realize that, before long, they, too, will be “ghetto.” ”
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^^^futurodellanazione
Ummm … news flash:
Interesting that you don’t recall, or acknowledge, that the ORIGINAL occupants of ghettos (in Europe and the US) were white people … and how ghetto has somehow (racism/ws???) morphed into a term for black folks.
But you are right about how MORE middle and working class whites are piling up in the ghetto, again. With the economy failing and (jobs) being off-shored, and bankrupt – your white privilege cards are surely being *played out* of existence.
White supremacy may very well be shifting to *white ELITE supremacy*, where the white elites are no longer pretending to favor non elitist whites over People of Color.
As one commenter is apt to say: “A hit dog will holla/howl!”
Well, there are without a doubt a LOT of hit dawgs now howling!
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@kiwi: Thanx, I don’t feel so bad.
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@ matari: I think that’s my phrase.
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@Riverside_Rob
So here is your task.
1. Find where it is I called you pathetic.
2. Find one sentence where I claimed to be a victim. This will be the umpteenth time we have addressed this and more than likely the umpteenth time you will avoid addressing it.
3. Point to where I said you felt ignored (reading comprehension is key here).
side note* what YOU THINK and what has been going on since you got here are two different things.
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@Matari
Very well said. 🙂
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@@Riverside_Rob
“what arguments are falling apart?”—Oh almost forgot (didn’t want you to think I was avoiding). All of your arguments are falling apart or rather they are non-existent. You are only trying to play a tit for tat with people and nothing more. Who can make the longer list or who can find better stats etc. All a ridiculous game of who is worse.
I originally said that I imagined da jokah as the guy who crosses the street when he sees blacks only to get mugged and beaten by the white guy on the other side. Then responding with “but the crime stats says I am least likely to be mugged by you” and the perp responds “I guess those stats are unreliable.” I was highly mistaken….that seems more like you.
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After reading through this again, this is just a bunch of racial double standards.
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Reblogged this on Mbeti's Blog and commented:
Very good analysis.
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Riverside_Rob
sharina, nice of you to speak up. what arguments are falling apart? your avoidance of what I say isnt’ the same as debunking what I say. You understand that right? You and brothawolf are cute when you play patty cake and call me pathetic, but my arguments and sources I cite are relevant and directly related to your postion vis-a-vis your victim status.
I don’t feel ignored here, you’re always good for some sanctimonious comment, but I think you’re reading the posts. Heck, I’m just trying to keep real with some outside perspective for y’all.
I didn’t call you pathetic. I said you were a parody of yourself.
Anyway, your “sources” mainly try to relate to your victim mindset.
This so-called “outside perspective” is nothing we haven’t heard a million and one times by other like-minded people. In fact, most of the time, that’s the only perspective given almost all the time. Yet, a different perspective isn’t mentioned or heard as much, and it is likely shot down when it emerges as part of the race grievance/liberal/black racist/race baiting/whining/etc. movement out to attack white people.
Rob, in another post you mentioned how you felt oppressed, and I practically rolled over after reading it. But I thought of something. If you felt oppressed as you’ve said, then that shouldn’t been the moment you’ve learned what it’s like to be the “other” if only for a brief moment and not as damaging.
Instead, you see that as black racism against you. You see that as a reason why you should stay clear of black people – all black people.
I still stand by what I said to you in that post, because I consider it an insult to those who never chose to be what they are, nor did they choose to get the kind of treatment they’ve been getting for years. Yet, you continue to condemn them for what a few have done to you some time ago, and worse, you did it on a thread where a member of that group was killed while seeking help.
The narcissism you project everytime you type is obvious, Rob. And instead of seeking understanding and – perhaps – knowledge, you continue whining and making commenters dislike you.
In short, you brought this on yourself.
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This is progress and evolution of this blog and counter/anti racism.
As I was reading it I was thinking – “white” really have little to say to us and most of them should just STFU.
But then we would not have gotten to this point – which confirms a recent quote I found –
Friends teach you what you WANT to know. Enemies teach you what you NEED to know.
— Unknown
And on the 3. point ,it recently occurred to me how obvious it is that the allegedly most intelligent and advanced group of people refer only to their skin color as the sole component of their identity.
Also when was the last time anyone has heard a “white” person refer to themselves as european american , but every non-“white”/albinic group has to refer to either a mono-color i.e. black ,brown etc or national origin i.e chinese,japanse,mexican etc etc
@ThatDeborahGirl
I gotta cosign both the spirit and letter of those two posts –
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/11/14/the-white-racist-guide-to-black-pathologies/#comment-201668
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/11/14/the-white-racist-guide-to-black-pathologies/#comment-201669
valid ,on point and enteraining – if abagond or wordpress ever upgrades the comment feature to something like disqus I’d vote it ,like it and love it.
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@Abagond
I would like to focus on a fragment of your post, because IMO it relates to a larger theme that’s noticeable in many of your posts and comments.
Here:
“Whites commit genocide? Everyone does it. It is human nature. Blacks rob a 7-Eleven? Something is wrong with black people. They have criminal tendencies.”
you seem to be implying that there is an analogy between the two arguments – the ‘whites are genocidal’ one and the ‘black criminality’ one. That if a person believes genocide is not a ‘white thing’ then they also shouldn’t believe crime is a ‘black thing’.
It’s interesting that you seem to simultaneously notice the similar nature of the two arguments and dismiss it. You do seem to support the ‘white pathology’ argument, so how is it reasonable for you to disagree with ‘black pathology’ arguments? What makes them different? Don’t they use the same illogical reasoning?
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@ Jefe – well, that’s because you’re blind as a bat and you are definitely seeing what you want to see
And while I’m still pissed off….
Abagond, I haven’t been around or commented as much since the Tommy Sotomayor debacle because your support of sistahs on that topic was pretty damned half-hearted. My opinion is that you let down black women everywhere with your attitudes in that post.
And the whole time I was typing my response to Jefe, I have to admit, in the back my mind I was thinking: Why I am going out on a limb to back up Abagond, when he dropped all black women like a bad habit back there?
But honestly that was secondary to me making my point to Jefe (who was wrong as hell by the way) and also I just really felt it. Like I had to say what I had to say. So I did it. But I feel I need to address you too.
I know you strive for objectivity. But it seems to me, that’s there’s a difference between being objective and compromising what you should know to be right.
The next time, you give less than unequivocal support to your sistsahs, remember this thread. And remember how tough black women have your back despite, not because of, how you all regard us. And put your back into it and give us the same support we show you.
Back to my Robitussin and scrabble.
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I was not “clowning” I think 89% of black males are generally cruel or sociopaths in some way. I stand by what I said. Even though my diatribe was difficult to write, I had to say it. I just don’t like when people sugar coat reality even if I am bitter,so what? . I admit I was bitter, but it has felt better to NOT forgive, that’s right ladies. DON’T forgive or excuse. There are way more white and non black men out there so why would I take a chance on another black man? Never again, they generally aren’t trust worthy. Faceit black men are generally sociopaths. They are not usually leaders, although I have met and seen two or three upclose. Usually black men are only meant for a good time. Nothing serious. Who neds the aggravation. African men are sexist but they tend to be better family men. My critical assesment is mostly towards American black men. But don’t get me wrong, I have met black men who were devine, however, I have always believed in opening up my mind so I could have more choices and varieties. Black men are difficult, they are just too difficult to figure out and deal with. Even the less lazy ones are difficult to deal with. I dunno I just know that I have dealt with al kinds of men and the black ones are the most difficult and messy to try to have a real relationship with. For me black men can serve as sex partners for most women, but that’s it.
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@colalover,
Uh huh. Hahaha, thanks for proving my point. Don’t worry, Sharina should be along soon to give you a hug.
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-In that case, why would you take a chance on another American man?
-Was he right-handed? Better date only left-handed guys now.
-In fact, maybe you should forget about men altogether and date women?
So why does it come down, not to nation, not to hand dexterity, or gender, but to race? …Because you are a filthy racist.
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@Ks
And why should I? Her comment is not relevant to this post. 🙂
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@Sharina,
Yeah…lol. C’mon give it up.
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@ks
And what is it I am suppose to be giving up? 🙂
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colalover
I was not “clowning” I think 89% of black males are generally cruel or sociopaths in some way. I stand by what I said. Even though my diatribe was difficult to write, I had to say it. I just don’t like when people sugar coat reality even if I am bitter,so what? . I admit I was bitter, but it has felt better to NOT forgive, that’s right ladies. DON’T forgive or excuse. There are way more white and non black men out there so why would I take a chance on another black man? Never again, they generally aren’t trust worthy. Faceit black men are generally sociopaths. They are not usually leaders, although I have met and seen two or three upclose. Usually black men are only meant for a good time. Nothing serious. Who neds the aggravation. African men are sexist but they tend to be better family men. My critical assesment is mostly towards American black men. But don’t get me wrong, I have met black men who were devine, however, I have always believed in opening up my mind so I could have more choices and varieties. Black men are difficult, they are just too difficult to figure out and deal with. Even the less lazy ones are difficult to deal with. I dunno I just know that I have dealt with al kinds of men and the black ones are the most difficult and messy to try to have a real relationship with. For me black men can serve as sex partners for most women, but that’s it.
As a black man, I will tell you there are those of us who are indeed cruel and sociopathic. However, we do not own the rights, patents or credentials on cruelty or sociopathic behavior. There are a men like that in EVERY group. Do I know how many there are in each group. No. But thinking that 89% of black men are screwed up is like saying that all black men are screwed up with the exceptional few that are rare as diamonds, and I can tell you’ve said it because you’ve had less-than-pleasant experiences with black men. For that, I apologize.
However, I take offense when you say that we are only meant for a good time and nothing serious. That means that black men are not capable of love or to be loved. Everyone deserves to be loved and to enjoy life. To say that I’m only good for the bed is to reject my humanity and yours.
Colalover, with all due respect, I doubt that you have dealt with all kinds of black men let alone conclude that not most of them are no good because we come in all sorts of varieties. If you have, you wouldn’t have made such a racist statement. There are good and bad men in every group. Black men do not corner the market on bad behavior nor were we created as mere sentient sex toys for pleasure and nothing else. Speaking for myself as an example, I will tell you that I am not part of the supposed 89%, nor am I merely just a “good time”.
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@ ThatDeborahGirl
Okay. Thanks. Take it easy and get well soon!
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A question for colalover; How is it when a white woman dates/marries a string of white aholes(there are plenty of those), she has bad luck with men or chooses the ‘wrong’ kind. However when a black woman has the same pattern 85% of black men are sociopaths?
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@ Herneith
Excellent question! But in Colalover’s case it seems she mainly dated white men while getting her ideas about black men from working for Social Services. She lives in a state that is less than 5% black.
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@ eco
I have written about genocides committed by whites (Warsaw Ghetto, Namibia, Tasmania, Tainos) and by non-whites (Darfur, South Sudan). I did not try to excuse or play down either kind. Nor do I make excuses for Rwanda or Ethiopia. I do not try to make genocide into a white thing. So I am not trying to racialize it or use a racist double standard.
On the other hand, I do believe White America is still genocidal (along with Australia and Sudan). That comes not from some “rate” or “correlation” or even past actions. It comes from the way it is acting now. It excuses past genocide (“Everyone does it!”, “It was disease!”, etc). It dehumanizes blacks. That stuff is not “normal”. It comes from a genocidal mindset:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/04/16/the-eight-stages-of-genocide/
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Thank you for this.
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Abagond, great stimulating article! Most appreciative that you’ve taken the feelings out of my head and articulating it exactly in writing!
Before I proceed, I apologize in advance for this novel of a post of mine.
I’ve always noticed this issue, but was never able to convey it in writing or verbally for fear of hurting white people’s feelings when expressing it around them.
I’m so glad and relieved that you and few others feel the same way about whites never ever labeling themselves and when non-whites call them out on it, they immediately get defensive and like to argue that non-whites are too sensitive, grow a back-bone, get a life, go back to China, Africa, India, etc!
Whites never ever think that they’re the more sensitive ones even though they’re always immediately up in arms when called out on their racist bull shits vs non-whites who have had to endured for eons in silence on this sort of racial issues!
Like you and other have commented/pointed out –we would NEVER see this sort of headline news “White man goes on a shooting rampage, White police officer shoots dead unarmed man, etc”.
Whites and white media outlets alike have no problem in pointing out when the subject matters are non-white or white-related. Whites are always quick to label/discern the the color or race of the subjects who are not white or white-related. Thus, it saddens and disappoints me greatly that non-whites will ALWAYS continue to experience/be subjected to the negative treatments (both subtle, indirect, and direct) from white people/institutions.
Whites will continue to blindly perpetuate the negative stereotypes upon those who/that are not white or white-related. As such, racism (overt or covert) continues to exist and be passed down to their descendants (from generation to generation).
But these days, a majority of white folks always argue that they’re not racist AT ALL (think Trayvon Martin, Asiana Airline plane crash racist jokes, Jimmy Kimmel skit of white kid shouting to kill all of the people in China, etc). Instead they usually love to assert that non-whites are just too “sensitive, liberal, welfare recipients, etc who needs to get a life, etc”.
For example -when a relatively small group of protestors (mostly americans of asian descents) for the FIRST time grew a semi-backbone and found courage to make a small stink and rallied against a white person/institution, the Jimmy Kimmel Show and ABC (for making the decision to broadcast their “improvised/unrehearsed” skit about the white kid proclaiming/shouting excitedly to kill all of the people in China), all of the mostly white people came out of the wood works in droves and predictably denounced the protestors for “being too sensitive”, JK show/ABC has the right to free speech, and telling the protestors of course to “go back to China”.
Talk about POT meet KETTLE! Those accusing the protestors for being too sensitive, never thought or asked themselves that they are the ONES that are being more sensitive for responding to to a small group of mostly non-white protestors who were only making a small stink about it.
If whites are not sensitive then why didn’t they just ignore the protestors as the protestors HAVE the RIGHT of free speech as well! Instead, the whites en masse chose to respond (not in kind literally) with racial slurs, derogatory comments, etc.
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“… … If whites are not sensitive then why didn’t they just ignore the protestors as the protestors HAVE the RIGHT of free speech as well! Instead, the whites en masse chose to respond (not in kind literally) with racial slurs, derogatory comments, etc.”
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Because these white folks LIVE IN WHITE BUBBLELAND where *delusions* meets, intersects and overlaps with *privilege.*
It must be nice to live in Oz!
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*standing ovation* for brothawolf and herneith. Brothawolf u went easy on her and remained respectful good for u. Imo she sounds just like the white ppl that say racist things and say oh I can’t stand those people …..but I will still sleep with them smh. If I don’t like somebody I’m not going to deal with them and I dam sure ain’t sharing my bed with em.
yes there are some black males that are disrespectful, bad, selfish,etc. But I never think to put a percent on it, I can’t do that because first off I haven’t met all black men, second off I haven’t travelled to all the states, what’s prominent in one area is small in another. I see some black males and females that act disrespectful bad, etc but I don’t put a percent on it. also it makes no sense for 85% of black males to not be ish I mean a lot of ppl say its the ones born of single mothers that act that way but it don’t add up one minute they say 72% of black kids born out of wedlock and those are the ones that cause trouble now she sayin 89% of bm ain’t ish. I don’t know what percent of black men are bad but I know dang well it ain’t that high. Then what makes a man good or bad?, the definition for both varies for different people. some think a bad man is a man that’s immature, a man that’s made mistakes has a bad past, or a man that has tattoos. Then some think a good man is a man that makes a certain amount, comes from a certain family/ enviornment, acts a certain way, etc. She reminds me of some of the black males that go on about black women ain’t ish and blah blah blah. either way they need to get out more and stop thinking white people are that much better. Because if u want to compare whose the baddest guy of all time black men will not win that, black men are not the original baby daddies. if u want to date white ppl and praise them why not tell them why not go to their websites and praise them. I know why they won’t because they know dam well they looking for a reaction from black men/ black women with their generalizing comments.
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@ herneith
“How is it when a white woman dates/marries a string of white aholes(there are plenty of those), she has bad luck with men or chooses the ‘wrong’ kind. However when a black woman has the same pattern 85% of black men are sociopaths?”
good question I think it’s because they love trying to show that black people are just born that way. People like that love to try to show how much better whites are by throwing black people under the bus *cough* don lemon *cough*. I have no respect for those kind of people if u want to be with somebody else that is fine but don’t start lying and making excuses sounds lame like the people that say oh I couldn’t find a good black man/ woman so I got with this other race. Or the ones that say oh I couldn’t find a good man / woman so now i’m a dating within my gender. obviously people are not happy as there are people here and on other blogs that are with another race of person but I don’t hear them saying oh black men/ black women, ain’t ish or majority of them aren’t. no most of the ones that are truly happy don’t waste their time trying to make it like black men/ women are the worst possible choice. There have been ppl that are happy and they just say well I fell in love with this person. as far as I;m concerned its just some people’s tactic to make it seem black men/ black women are uniquely bad or bad relationship choices.
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This is very true, it is strongest for the African diaspora, imho, but I’ve also noticed this extends to other minorities, too. The exception to the whole, the generalizations.
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mstoogood4yall,
Thanks.
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“if u want to date white ppl and praise them why not tell them why not go to their websites and praise them. I know why they won’t because they know dam well they looking for a reaction from black men/ black women with their generalizing comments.”
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MsTooGood’s deft insights are right on … as usual!!!!
But seriously, Jorbia did the same …. NEGATIVE generalizing about black men, and it seems that I’m the only vocal one here that remembers that side of her.
Now that I got that lil’ tidbit off my chest, I hope I’m done bringing up Jorbia’s name in polite company….
….until her next lookalike shows up.
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No, I remember that too, and STRONGLY disagreed with her on those posts. But I do cut a little more slack for Black women in this regard since they are members of an historically oppressed group—women—and Black men are a part of the historically oppressing group—men.
There are bound to be some bad feeling and mistrust after the long and ongoing history of male on female oppression in ALL societies, including Black-American.
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“No, I remember that too, and STRONGLY disagreed with her on those posts. But I do cut a little more slack for Black women in this regard since they are members of an historically oppressed group—women—and Black men are a part of the historically oppressing group—men.
There are bound to be some bad feeling and mistrust after the long and ongoing history of male on female oppression in ALL societies, including Black-American.”
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King. Thanks for chiming in!
I get your sentiment… regarding *MISTRUST* but isn’t learning and preaching and practicing TRUST among African Americans more goal worthy than cutting slack to those that have entered into the twilight (delusional) zone?
I mean c’mon now. How many more hundreds of years are we willing to endure suspecting and mistrusting each other MORE THAN those who perpetrate racism and benefit from this blanket mistrust?
No, I’m not saying that all of us are trustworthy. But there are a lot of us who ARE that are dumped into the untrustworthy pot – for no rational reason.
When do we stop (as Abagond says) suffering from internalized racism???
Where should the line be drawn in YOUR opinion?
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@ matari
I don’t really remember jorbia because I started commenting close to when she left. I just saw a few of her comments I didn’t see the ones about black men just the ones where she was sounding condescending to black americans and poor people.
@ king
“There are bound to be some bad feeling and mistrust after the long and ongoing history of male on female oppression in ALL societies, including Black-American.”
Thanks for acknowledging that. At the same time black Americans do have to get over some of our differences since we are the minority here and can’t afford to not trust each other based on minor things. I don’t mistrust all black males/females just the ones that make certain comments or act a certain way. I can’t expect others to respect us and treat us with respect and not stereotype us when some of us do it to each other especially when they do it publicly smh. Other races can see what we discuss and the issues we have with each other and that is how some of the trolls can come and start stuff and imitate other commenters because they’ve observed how we interact with each other. I notice the trolls come on certain threads and make certain comments to start us fighting, it’s usually posts about tommy, interracial, out of wedlock births, that get them here and they start making generalizing comments but I see they never leave those threads they never comment on important threads only the controversial ones. We gotta show a good example of how to treat each other so others cannot infiltrate and find that weak point as well as so the younger generation can learn how to treat and view other black people in a positive way.
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[…] Black pathologies are those things that hold Black Americans back, like crime, drugs, illegitimacy and dropping out of high school. These are things they are doing to themselves. Racism is dead. They need to stop whining about white people and face up to the problems in their own communities. […]
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@Matari
“NEGATIVE generalizing about black men.”—Actually I remember more of her negative generalizations being about black Americans. In fact I would agree that your assessment of her on the other thread was correct, but the underlining things that she did say rang some truth depending on the person.
There were many good conversations to be had with her but she did not take criticism well at all.
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It is obvious that rates are a very important way to look at numbers. It’s just a brute fact. It is also useful to look at numbers in a way not using rates for certain issues. I know they can be overused or for the wrong reasons, but using rates is not necessarily an indicator of anything. Simply try to determine if rates are appropriate in the context in which they are presented.
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I think that white people really just project the reality of their own behaviour here. The things that they claim about black people are actually true about themselves. I mean, they are very benevolent about the white crime and instead of tackling this issue they quickly just point a finger in black direction and make up statistics about black crime. Or, what’s totally twisted is their attitude to criminals. I read an article about a white man who killed his child because he wanted to get revenge against his ex who divorced him and had the kid at her care. His white neighbour described him as a ‘doting dad who could not live without his child’. I mean,how primitive and monstrous is that? We don’t even need to go into a discussion about what whites would comment if such crime was committed by a black or muslim person. They’d be all over him hysterically moralising about what he’d done.
When a white person commits crime it means no big deal in the eyes of the whites. They don’t take much notice, they certainly aren’t observe any patters and there is no way they would assume that their race has a problem. It’s all good. Crime is an issue only if someone else does it.
I mean, one truly has to stop and think sometimes when you see their reactions. I’m not a psychologist but there’s something not quite right with them.
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To Abagond:
So instead make it about the rate. It does not matter how bad the white rate is. All that matters is if the black rate is worse.
Am I to understand that you don’t think the rate of something, either positive or negative matters..?
As you have stated there are more whites in the US living below the poverty line than blacks. From this, if the rate (of poverty) does not matter, should we say that whites in the US in general are worse off than blacks since there are more whites living below the poverty line?
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@ Uncle Milton
Of course the rate matters. But people use the higher Black rate to racialize issues. So poverty becomes a Black thing, even though there are more poor Whites. Same with illegitimacy, crime, etc. People act like 98% of fatherless children are Black, like Blacks are the main cause when that is hardly the case (it more like 26%). If there are, say, a million fatherless children, why does the race of their fathers suddenly matter? What is gained by that?
When the Black illegitimacy rate was 24.5%, Patrick Moynihan sounded the alarm about Black illegitimacy. Fair enough. But when the White rate was 23.0%, Steve Sailer sounded the alarm – about Black illegitimacy. This is what I mean.
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To Abagond:
But when the White rate was 23.0%, Steve Sailer sounded the alarm – about Black illegitimacy. This is what I mean.
I did some searches and it would appear that the Alt-Right (race oriented/racist) right including Sailer definitely mentions white illegitimacy. The discussion was pushed to some degree by Charles Murray’s book on white Americans but Sailer noted the high white illegitimacy rate 11 years ago: http://www.isteve.com/2003_black_illegitimacy_rate_declines.htm
He also discussed the high illegitimacy rate (Mostly white) in Britain which he believes is a cause for the UK’s rising crime rate:
http://www.vdare.com/articles/how-much-ruin-in-a-nation-uk-vs-us-white-working-class
Per the article above, in 1993, Charles Murray predicted a rising white underclass on the basis on increased illegitimate births among whites.
The conventional right seems to place less emphasis on race (albeit discussing the rate increase among Latinos..)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/dec/01/20061201-084845-1917r/
http://www.frc.org/specialpublication/rising-illegitimacy-americas-social-catastrophe
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“Whites are normal. Whites do not have pathologies because their behavior, no matter how extreme, always counts as “normal”.”
People tend to view their own experience, culture, religion and society as the norm by which they judge all others. That’s not strange or unusual or unique to various euro-Americans. Sometimes the judgement can be that the society under question is superior in some way but usually not, especially when the group doing the judging happens to also be the wealthiest and most powerful in the world – white Americans.
Just assume that no matter where you are in the world you will be an oddity and not one to be emulated; even if a double standard is at work in making the judgement.They will be nice to you, because as a tourist you well spend money then leave. Unfortunately for blacks, as a minority in America they aren’t on vacation and can’t leave.
You can try and convince whites to change and forget their double-standards. But they can’t change, its their nature. But then, its everyone’s nature to view their own society and culture as normal. For most people even in diverse lands they spend most of their youth totally enclosed within the envelope of their own society and culture. By the time they have free agency their sense of normal is set.
Its interesting to note: “According to a study by Robin Dunbar at the University of Liverpool, primate brain size is determined by social group size. Dunbar’s conclusion was that most human brains can only really understand an average of 150 individuals as fully developed, complex people (Known as Dunbar’s number).” – Tribalism, Wikepedia. Think about that. I new 150 people by the time I was 5-10 and none of them were of another ethnic group or tribe.
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