I already wrote about how to think about black crime as a white racist. This post covers the advanced topic of American crime statistics:
- Whatever White Americans do is normal – no matter how high or low their numbers, they commit crimes at the proper rates. Always. This is a given. Because there is nothing wrong with them. To think otherwise would be racist! They are the measure against which everyone else is judged.
- Racialize crime – blame most of the crime on black people. Even where whites commit most of it. If challenged, make it about the crime rate:
- Crime rate – Where white people commit most of the crimes it is because most people are white. How is that wrong? But if blacks, who are 13% of America, commit more than 13% of any crime, even 14%, it is because there is something wrong with them:
- Higher black crime rates prove Criminal Tendencies – the great thing about statistics is that they seem so objective and yet get rid of all the context: the drug trade, racist policemen and judges, bad policing, racial profiling, poverty, etc. Context only matters when white people do bad stuff. When black people do bad stuff, it is because something is wrong with them. That is not racist, that is just Reality.
- Interracial crime – for added effect compare black-on-white crime to white-on-black crime. This is especially good for rape because of white male sexual insecurities and because the government report is particularly misleading. Black-on-white crime proves what everyone already knows: blacks are out to get whites! No matter how low the absolute numbers.
- Hispanics – If Hispanics are not separated from whites in some statistic point that out and state, without proof, that non-Hispanic whites (True White People) have a lower crime rate.
- Hate crimes – blacks commit most of the hate crimes. Everyone knows it. Except the FBI, whose numbers clearly cannot be trusted.
- Where African statistics are low they are wrong, where they are high repeat them. Rape or murder is low in Senegal? They are bad at recording crime. Do they even have pencils over there? Rape is high in South Africa? It must be right. If anything it is probably understated!
- Genocide, slavery, blah, blah, blah – whites killed tens of millions of people of colour to get to where they are. But if anyone brings that up just say it was too long ago to count, that they need to get over it. Or bring up Rwanda and use that as a fig leaf. Wars past and present are off the books too. So is Wall Street. The only true measure of how violent and immoral a race is are the street crimes they commit in an unjust society that favours one race over another.
- Why blacks disagree – not because you are wrong but because they like to whine and avoid responsibility, are given to emotional Negro thinking and have low IQs. If they had bigger brains and were objective like you, they would see the light – like those Reasonable Negroes they show on television.
See also:
- The white racist guide to black crime
- Whites who fear blacks are racist
- reading while white: black rape statistics – special subtopic!
- reading while white: history and news
- wiping out millions of people – doesn’t count, ha ha!
- black crime statistics – my own take
- Why so many black men are in prison
- Reasonable Negroes
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@ Abagond
Wow!
I wonder how whites will spin this…
I’d also like to add one thing…
If black who commit crimes have something wrong with them, then whites who are arsonist, deviants, pederests and cannibals MUST have something wrong with them too, no?
Or is it that they have a “good reason” like a mental defect, a poor upbringing, alien mind control, etc?
And of course it does not reflect poorly on the entire race, correct?
As everyone knows that whites are generally good, decent, hardworking, Puritanical folks…
( wink, wink)
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@ truthbetold:
Excellent point. For instance, the psychopath who shot and murdered innocent people in Tulsa, Oklahoma – a family member says that he’s a “good kid who was driven to the brink (read: ‘snapped’)” because of the stress of his father’s shooting and his girlfriend’s suicide – she apparently shot herself in front of him; that’s an interesting factoid that should be looked into; was it really suicide? What was their DV record? That would shed some light into what type of person this ‘good kid’ really is…
There’s also the sickening justifications surrounding the soldier who murdered those innocent civilians: “He saw someone’s leg blown off right in front of his eyes.” That supposedly makes it all right to go out and shoot children execution-style! Disgusting…
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@ Abagond
Another brilliant post Abagond.
As a young white man, I would submit that I have been stopped by two police cruisers in the middle of a public park in the middle of the day in an urban setting. For smoking weed. Which I was doing. Which they let me off non-chalantly. They didn’t even confiscate my pipe or marijuana. They just wrote down my information to update it from their outdated system records. Which was the extent of my exchange with the police. They appreciated my honesty. Which meant that i wasn’t added to the white criminal statistics for a drug charge.
As far as your list. I would add to number one that whites aim to be the bearers of objectivity.
They stack their very subjective experience up to very subjective media representations of Black people and then like the sparing differential. Which means they self-support their own illusions.
Which is why Trayvon’s murder irks them to no end. Their white moral, intellectual, judicial supremacy myth begins to falter in broad daylight. Which is why they try to undermine Trayvon’s right to justice. Because they are unable to look directly at the illusion that they have conjured.
My opinion anyway.
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Right: white psychopathic killers are Troubled Individuals while black psychopathic killers show how black people truly are deep down.
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@ Sepultura13
Yes, I found the story about the solider most interesting.
Sepultura, the one thing about white criminals that divides this nation is : The benefit of the doubt.
Jon Benet Ramsey, the Caylee Anthony trial, EVERY white police officer that shoots black men, women and children and politicians, are all given the ” maybe it wasn’t him / perhaps there’s more to the story” argument.
OJ Simpson, who I believe was guilty from day one, was not afforded that privilege. Neither was Tiger’s multiple liasions. Or Chris Brown’s wife / girlfriend beating escapade. From cheating to murder to simply existing, blacks are guilty.
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@ truthbetold:
Agreed. We are never given the benefit of the doubt; it’s always “Suspicious/Guilty on sight,” while white people are “Innocent without question.” The whole “innocent unless/until proven guilty” is a bunch of hogwash.
My blinders about the in-justice system were removed long ago…
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Excellent examination. This particularly struck me: “Context only matters when white people do bad stuff.”
So true.
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Abagond,
Many people might consider the validity of this very well-presented opinion.
However, it might lead one to the conclusion that any differences in incarceration rates and criminal behavior is purely illusory. This must also be true for random acts of hostility (in public transit in NYC, for example, a city I abhor for a wide variety of reasons) , and every other aspect of racial disparity in America.
That’s fine. It means this:
We don’t need to concern ourselves with this illusory difference, then.
I’m sure there’s exactly as much murder and theft and random violence going on in the Asian community. I mean, we all know how criminal Koreans are: like sneaky demons, those guys.
I’m sure you’re right.
Call me cynical, but while the difference may not be as extreme as a bunch of white racists think it is, the difference is real. Guns, drugs, assault and despair: I’m sure precisely the same amount as would be accounted for by poverty versus wealth is dished out by every population group in America.
As much as white racists deserve contempt, the attempt to whitewash the staggering social collapse and decay in black America, with its attendant civil-war level rates of random violence and sociopathy, is revolting.
As much as white America needs to admit it has a problem with race (except when it comes to Asians, for some weird reason- Asians are easily the most problem-free of all segments of American society, for reasons that must beggar explanation, of course), black America needs to face facts: A hard-boiled core of this community is so outrageously sociopathic as to render solutions and social peace extremely difficult. While most black Americans are peaceful, law-abiding and decent, a given percentage of the black population is frightening.
*WHY* almost ceases to be relevant.
As long as blacks continue to say – hey, there’s absolutely no problem of any kind except racism, and basically when a black man commits a crime, white people are responsible – then expect nobody to apologize for “survival” racism. This is the kind of racism that sees a simple equation virtually all teachers, no matter how liberal, even black teachers – notice.
The more black students in a school, the worse the behavioral problems. I’ve known at least three black teachers who have moved to mostly white schools to avoid poor black students. They have no problems with poor white or Asian kids.
It’s an unspoken truth in the education business. You can blame whites all you want, and there’s lots of racism to go around. But there’s a real effect here. Upper-class blacks spend so much time disassociating themselves from every cultural aspect of contemporary celebrated “blackness” – “Oh, I’m not like that. Don’t be racist. We’re just like you.” – that it gives to the lie of “no difference”.
White people who want their kids not to get the snot beaten out of them, not to have to deal with guns and knives at school, random frequent thefts, and out-of-scale assaults, including attacks on teachers (even in class), have one direct solution. Move to areas with as few blacks as possible. Hispanics, fine. Asians of any persuasion, awesome. Poor white kids – shockingly, almost never a problem.
Inner city or suburban black kids – the higher the percentage, the worse every social dilemma.
It’s one-to-one.
Tell me there’s no problem. Tell everyone that. That guarantees we’ll be debating why the black community is such a basket case 100, 200 , 300, 400 years from now. Cultural change in black America isn’t any issue at all, I’m sure.
Not addressing the problem guarantees endless, just endless racial strife and a lot of really poor black Americans.
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I guess this somes up commentator Randy to a tee! Very insighful JT!
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@ Gorbachev
Right, because racializing crime works so well. /sarcasm
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Thank you Kwamla. It is Abagond and posters like you, truthbetold, Demerera, SomeGuy, SatanForce, Sepultura, Teddy, Brothawolf, Bulanik, Sam, etc. that inspire me to keep coming here even when i am writing my final exams. LOL. It is the hardest thing in the world to avoid the temptation of responding to some of your posts/ avoiding the landmines that are the “race realists.”
Nonetheless I have to keep going or I am going to get tossed around on my final exams (the first of which is tomorrow!) This is the last word from me for awhile.
Cheers,
JT
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Abagond,
And yet, you get this:
– white Americans who call themselves liberal and vote more taxes for X or Y and then whine about high taxes and no jobs, and complain about why things are made in China while shopping at Walmart and talk about equality while voting for policies that are anything but – and then these people are the VERY FIRST that move out of neighborhoods that have blacks. BTW, liberal white teachers are among the most shocked and the most racist after first teaching in black-majority schools. Talk to then ten years later: you’ll never find more virulent racists.
– Black Americans who say there’s nothing wrong and it’s all misperception. BTW, noticing patterns in daily life, and the daily lives of everyone you know, ever meet or come into contact with – is now a social crime and a hallmark of how you’re oppressing (X) group. Because don’t you know – there are no social patterns. It’s all entirely random, except when it comes to college admissions or special rights for Y group. Then it’s a conspiracy.
– Racist white Americans who use every common theft from a store to claim it’s a Jihad by Black Gorillas out to murder, rape and pillage until Civilization Itself is bleeding on a sacrificial slab, entrails scattered around the Temple of Stanlinist Thought.
All the while, black kids grow up without fathers. All the while, whole generations are lost to the internecine bickering, the accusations, the pogroms and ideological moral crusades, populist leaders on all sides who smell and look like the worst kinds of hucksters and cheats–
One thing is nearly certain. Until something – anything – intervenes in the black urban poor communities of this country, the toilet bowl and the barrels of guns are what black American can expect.
Every day, we import more new people – Hispanics who loathe blacks more than anyone on Earth, except Asians, who we’re importing endless streams of, too. And they’re becoming quite quickly a new elite.
You think anti-black racism from whites is a problem? Don’t worry. Just give it 20 years. You’ll look back on white racism with a wonder at how great it used to be when only white people were in power.
I give you this:
Again, posts like yours indicate yet another nail in the coffin. Whites and blacks have irrational, bitter, visceral hatred of each other. The deed wont’ be done until America is ruined by one side or the other.
Neither side is even remotely honest.
We get the government and the enemies we deserve.
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@ Gorbachev
The approach to crime statistics in the post leads to failed crime policies. Because it is not meant to understand what is truly going on but to give whites a fig leaf to hide their racism behind.
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@ Gorbachev
I don’t know where to begin. Your entire post was fascination, in a revolting, backwards, ignorant sort of way.
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@Truth
“Again, posts like yours indicate yet another nail in the coffin. Whites and blacks have irrational, bitter, visceral hatred of each other. The deed wont’ be done until America is ruined by one side or the other.
Neither side is even remotely honest. ”
I’m sorry, but as ignorant as YOU might see him as his points are extremely valid. He’s one of the main people I constantly come here hoping he posts, I love reading his comments.
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One side: Blacks are either saints and whites evil demons, or exactly the same in every conceivable way, without the slightest sociological difference.
Other side: Whites are wonderful and charming and flawless victims of black crime or blacks are barley human gorillas.
There are several several ideological “dynamics” at play. All of them are wrong. It’s not much more than raw tribalism.
Whites will never apologize for slavery. Those that do are stealing from you with the hand they hold behind their backs. Blacks need to solve all of their own problems. The less help they get, the better. None of that help comes at a reasonable price. Not one measly dollar.
Crime in the black urban centers is out of control. Here’s a stat. If the white population excluding hispanics was compared to those in Canada or low-crime countries in Europe, it would have almost the same crime rate. What skews American crime stats is the black community. For some reason, the last 50 yeas has been a nearly continuously brutalizing experience for blacks that the previous 150 yeas was not.
The collapse of the black family, thanks feminism and well-meaningliberal do-gooderism, has resulted in catastrophic levels of sociopathy in black culture, especially among black men.
Racializing crime is what non-black people do in order to stay alive. It perpetuates the problem, for sure.
But nothing has convinced me that anyone is capable of approaching this subject with anything like neutrality or honesty. Defensive racism – being afraid of black men – seems to be a very sane policy in some parts of this country. Being afraid of hite people – much less relevant.
And nobody is afraid of gangs of Korean kids, are they?
As soon as this racial dynamic ceases to be white-black and becomes white-Asian-Hispanic-Black, as the demographics change, then ideologues on all sides are going to have to deal with things in a brader scope.
Already, these otherwise ideologically convenient waters are being muddied by racial complications. Asians come here in one generation and end up doing bettr than anyone in American history. Some arrive far poorer, than the poorest Americans, with no language skills. They face discrimination too.
And yet, white people are blamed for not wanting their kids to go to school with thug-like black kids.
The next white guy who gets beaten up and nearly killed just because he’s white or the next trayvon Martin – maybe the war wil start then.
Crime stats are not a myth. Lots of black men are in prison because they’re committed crimes. WHy did they do this? Maybe racism is a component. Maybe it’s harder for them to get jobs. But little Asian kids don’t generally pick up guns or go Polar Bear Hunting.
Black kids born today can give you a PhD on Slavery, and yet can’t begin to tell you how they’re going to get a job. A teacher I know can go on for hors about how whites are racist for fearing blacks, and she herself – a black woman – is terrified of groups of black men, having been at the nasty end of three robbery attempts in the past two yeas, each one by a small group of black men. Not one white man has ever threatened her in any way. In highschool, she was raped by a black student who was given a complete pass by the white principal because he was afraid of being called racist.
he mental gymnastics she goes through – whites are racist for worrying about black crime, and yet her own personal aversion to groups of black men – I have no idea how she manages.
It wold be nice for people never to notice the race og the person attacking them, and be neutral, but let’s be clear. There’s a pattern here. A small percentage of young black men terrorize black communities. These men are alternately treated like beasts by the court system and paradoxically often excused because of the color of their skin.
Something is up.
You can say that we whites are paranoid, but there are black people who say the same thing. I guess they must have internalized racism.
Because it’s all just illusions.
I personally want it to be just illusions. That would be great No crime difference. Certainly no vast crime difference.
My fear: I doubt this is the case.
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@ yawn
Please elaborate further.
What exactly do you agree or disagree with?
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@ Gorbachev,
Your post is rather self-serving. You only bring up the extreme blatant racism of white people, and then complain about liberals, and then you bring up black pathology? Black kids growing up without fathers?
I see through you.
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When I read this I think of the common tendency to find ways to excuse blatant guilt or culpability on all but the most horrifying cases.
I notice that the victim is also important in this case: Someone who murders “undesirables”, aka black men, women, children, people of color, the homeless, gays or transgender individuals usually gets people willing to give them a “pass” in terms of their guilt. Sure they did it, but there’s always a willingness to explore why, even if it gets them off with a technicality or an insanity plea.
Now if the victims are young white men and women who come from homes with money? Then your less likely to see excuses.
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pretty bad trolling on your part abagond.
Ask any person who commits the majority of these crimes: serial killing, mass shootings, financial crimes, collusion, domestic violence, etc and the majority, white included will tell you white people do. I’ve never met a single white person who doesn’t agree that the majority (nay, near all of them!) of serial killers are white.
Ask anybody, without them having seen it, how many people they would expect on the FBI’s most wanted list to be Black. How many would they expect to be white. Do you really think that people wouldn’t say that most would be white?
What about all those people who watched “America’s Most Wanted.” Do you think they shook their heads in disagreement whenever a white person was featured on it? Do you think they said, “wait a second, 80% of the people on this episode are white! This isn’t ‘normal.'” (as you put it)
But you probably know this, so you come up with some troll argument that is limited to independent violent crimes. White people don’t own up for their street crimes, so they must think they’re the perfect race and that everything they do is normal, good, and forgivable.
Tell me, do you think white people deny the existence of organized white crime? White collar crime? Do they deny the existence of militant white groups? Or are you just implying that they they these are “normal” and “justified?” I bet America was just filled with white people who saw Bernie Madoff and said, “what’s so bad about that!”
Before you get your undies in a bunch, why don’t you look at FBI statistics and see the amount of resources dedicated to the investigation of organized and primarily white crime.
All of these things are probably meaningless to you though because you can rationalize them in some egregious way:
“of course, these things exist, but they’re not relevant to the discussion! We’re talking about violent crimes, not white collar crimes! Anyway people are sympathetic to white collar crimes! Nobody gets upset about them! Move on and let me continue on with my broad sweeping claims of what people believe: ‘Whatever White Americans do is normal'”
or
“White people just see these as exceptions to the norm. Forget that I’m arguing black crime is an exception to the norm; I can demonize them for this viewpoint in this specific case because it supports my argument.”
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@ Ace
The victim MUST be someone who conveys innocence, purity and non threatening sexuality. That’s why white, blond beauties are a “favorite” to draw sympathy and ire.
Undesirables or social scurges are not wanted or welcomed, a drain if you will, so when they are victimized, it was “deserved.” This sick mindset releases any guilt or responsibility in the publics psyche. It also continues the false perception that white America is not racist, fair and basically decent, God – fearing people.
Ace, have you EVER seen a black, Latin, Asian or Native person that was televised 24/7 on American tele, that had a massive manhunt for their killer, set up donations in their name, made a law that prevented future folks from meeting the same fate and started a Foundation to help other victims?
I haven’t.
And I’ve been all over the US/ UK/ Islands…
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@ Truthbetold,
Like Germany was denazified after World War II, I think the union should have de-confederized after the civil war. Obviously the political will was lacking and still lacks to accomplish this though. To the USA’s deficit.
@ Earl,
Wait i cant even read your whole post – YOU are coming to Abagond’s and you are accusing HIM of trolling YOU?
LOL
Am i missing something?
Secondly, I would mention that speaking about millions of peoples lived experience of white racism hardly constitutes trolling.
Check yourself.
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@ Earl,
I truly think you’ve missed the point of that entire post Abagond did.
@ Truthbetold,
I have noticed. I also noticed that there is an attempt to only show pictures that flatter them (which is in their right as families of the victim), but when a person of color is a victim of a white crime it’s seen as “dishonest” to portray them as innocent or pure. There’s always this hidden, “Oh we all know who that girl really was, she has to have done something wrong with her life” when people of color or gay people attempt to do that.
The Dahmer case is a major example of that, I think. The only reason why he got away with killing so many people before someone actually noticed (keep in mind that one young Asian teenager escaped and was taken BACK to his killer because the cops believed the white man over actually listening to what he or the women who found him were saying) was because his victims somehow “deserved” their fate due to being gay or people of color. It’s pretty damn sick, I agree wholeheartedly. In fact, the majority of serial killers who were able to get a lot of victims chose “low risk” targets who wouldn’t draw any sort of response from he public.
No, I haven’t. Honestly, I haven’t, and I, like you, have been everywhere. I think the Trayvon Martin case has been the first recent case where I’ve seen a victim who was a person of color given any real media attention. I’m not sure if that should reassure me or make me feel even more sick about it.
Have you heard of “Find Our Missing”? I think that focuses on “undesirable” missing people who would be ignored otherwise.
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@ JT,
Yes! I noticed with the “denazification”! There was no anti-confederate movement where they were forced to walk through slave quarters or put their officers up for execution. The US had completely failed to keep the promises it made in favor of pandering to the south (who should have been treated like the traitors they were) and making laws that would be the basis for all of the continued racial oppression from then onward.
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Abagond is trolling when he says stuff like this:
“Hate crimes – blacks commit most of the hate crimes. Everyone knows it. Except the FBI, whose numbers clearly cannot be trusted.”
Please tell me the implication here, that white people don’t trust the FBI and its statistics? Any proof of this American anti-FBI conspiracy? I’ve never heard of such a thing.
Anyway, he is further trolling n the sense he wants to make a dramatic, grand claim about how people perceive and forgive crime in general instead of the more truthful specific one, which is in regard to violent crime.
Ace, I don’t think i missed the point:
the advanced topic of American crime statistics as Abagond bolded out and the American perception of crime as he implied throughout the rest of his post.
If Abagond is excluding a good majority of crime in America, he can say it. But he isn’t. He’s making a broad generalization and relying on a specific subset to support his claim.
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It’s stunning how accurate this is. I often think the posts on this site go overboard, and I also think that some characterizations of obnoxious racism by Whites is not because they’re white, but because of circumstance…oh, there I go doing it again! Circumstance matters because they’re white… lol. I still feel that way though. I think if our positions were reversed, we’d be the same.
Still, I really like how you draw out unconscious biases so that they are more visible. It’s easier to think critically that way and question where thinking processes might be compromised.
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@ Earl
“Anyway, he is further trolling n the sense he wants to make a dramatic, grand claim about how people perceive and forgive crime in general instead of the more truthful specific one, which is in regard to violent crime.”
Earl,
1. This is his blog therefore he cannot be a troll.
2. This “grand claim” has too many examples to list…this year.
3. People’s perceptions and “context” has EVERYTHING to do with guilt vs. innocence if you’re white, well-to do, handsome and have connections.
4. The reference about the FBI was being used as a way to derail/deflect black innocence / white guilt.
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@ Earl,
No, I get what your saying, but I think you’ve missed what he is. He is not saying that all white people excuse crime or don’t trust the FBI or something. The logical fallacies your noticing are not what he is saying, but what racists are saying that he’s mimicking up there (believe it or not, we’ve seen plenty of arguments just like those here.)
He’s saying that racists use FBI crime statistics to prove points about black “pathology” but then they say those same statistics are inaccurate when people bring up facts like how white people commit more hate-crimes (or more crimes in general due to sheer numbers).
He’s pointing out the hypocrisy of claiming there is a black “pathology” and that there is something wrong with all black people, while making excuses for white crime or how many more crimes are committed by white people. You can’t have it both ways: Either crime statistics can be used to predict pathology, or it can’t, you can’t say that it works for one race but not the other .
For example, if you look at some racist people who post here: They will often ignore white crime, or state that there has to be some deeper reason for the crime (i.e. mental illness, some fault on the part of the victim, etc.), but when it comes to black people, they often see black crime and decide that it means that all black people have something inherently wrong with them and there can never be any extenuating circumstance. .
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@ Earl
Small example:
When Micheal Vick was convicted to inhumane animal practices, the media tore him in half. ( I’m not defending dog fighting. We have a Golden)
I heard everything from: ” Give him the gas chamber to lock him up forever!”
When Jerry Sandusky, a KNOWN pederest, was outed, the media looked into the boys’ claim to discredit them. After all, ole Jerry was a beacon of hope and success for Penn State!
One person was made to be a vile monster that destroys innocent lives.
The other was just “horsing around” in the shower with 9 year old boys….
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I knew sooner or later certain people would arrive to fight this post like a Poodle fighting against a Saint Bernard.
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truthbetold,
Abagond can troll if he wants. It’s his blog, and I’m sure he knowingly brings out his own troll from time to time. I understand that about perception and believe perception brings about a majority of stereotyping when it comes to certain crime. I wasn’t trying to say anything about the perception of black crime, but abagond seemed to direct this post to crime in general. Like I said, when people thing of white collar criminals, serial killers, people in organized crime they often think about white people. I don’t believe if you asked the average white person to define crime, they would only talk about violent crime to which they assert is dominated by minorities.
Ace,
I understand what you are saying and see the truth in it. I guess the problem I had was trying to see the distinction between this post about the perception of crime and abagond’s previous post about black crime. If he is a talking about violent crime/urban crime all these things people like to pin on minorities, then there is a misconception, but I don’t see a misconception about crime in general in America.
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ehh, I followed the Jerry Sandusky news and I have to disagree with you. It was in the headlines for weeks. I don’t know anyone outside of Penn State who didn’t call him an animal.
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Earl,
Yeah, I understand what you’re thinking. I think the beauty of these crime posts Abagond does is that its pointing out the logical fallacies of attributing negative stereotypes on one group for things that the other group is doing just as often. The unfairness of it, along with how it affects victims of crime just make it even more relevant. I personally feel that using crime to predict the actions of an entire race is just plain ridiculous, but it seems like people are fine with using statistics only if it can prove something about a group that they don’t belong to.
On misconceptions, I know I see this common thread of wishing to find a deeper reasoning behind the actions of white criminals. I have also noticed that there seems to be an almost positive (I don’t know how accurate the word “positive” is, but I wasn’t able to think of a better one at this moment) spin on crimes that are usually dominated by white perpetrators, i.e. white collar crime or serial murder, and there always seems to be a “but”. Yes, their violent, but they’re “smarter than average”. Yes they killed 10 people at once but they were “bullied”. Yes they stole millions of dollars but they were “clever”. They might have been abusing young boys but they’re a “good citizen”. “Urban crime” is usually reserved for minorities since they aren’t “clever” enough to pull off things like cyber-crime and serial murder, and they aren’t seen as victims so there’s little attempt to discover what drove them to do what they did. A black kid who takes part in a burglary is just a burglar. There is no “but” or attempt to figure him out.
In order for people of color to be charged with crimes that involve that “cleverness”, I’ve noticed that it has to be tied in with other racial stereotypes. For example, you are still more likely to see people of color accused of doing things like “cheating the system”, even though the numbers don’t add up.
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@ Earl,
On the Sandusky thing, I don’t think people approved of what he did one bit. But I also didn’t see people calling for his death, prison time, throwing out racial slurs or attempting to prove “white pathology”. He was seen as someone who acted outside of the norm, instead of being seen as an example of it.
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@ Ace
Thank you…
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People were certainly calling for his imprisonment. To say that people don’t think he should spend life is prison is a diservice to outrage that comes with pedophilia. You may disagree, but many people would argue that there are no bigger monsters in America than pedophiles and sex offenders. They don’t have their own registry for nothing.
No, people weren’t calling him racial slurs. People don’t think white people are all pedophiles, but most people would say pedophiles are most likely to be older white males. There are a lot of women who would be struck with fears of child molestation if they saw an older white male talking to their kids.
In comparison to Michael Vick, he certainly was demonized in part because he was black. But like i said, I don’t see how this has much to do with America’s perception of crime in general or really the Sandusky case. Michael Vick is back playing football. Nobody is going to allow Sandusky back into, even, society. People are not more forgiving of white people because they are white. Nobody wants to see Jerry Sandusky not spend the rest of his life in prison.
Look at the recent case of Bobby Petrino who was fired from his job as a highly successful NCAA football coach for basically lying and having an affair with a student. He received no sympathy from Arkansas nor from the audience of college football.
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more forgiving in all areas, i meant to say. They are more forgiving when it comes to violent crimes and crimes of law enforcement among others.
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@ Earl
The crux of this debate is:
When whites do bad things, it’s just an individual flaw.
When blacks do bad things, it’s just the way those people are.
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Ok. I will not debate the belief of that as it is the crux of very visible racism in society.
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@ Earl,
I personally recall seeing people taking commentary from others on the news covering the Sandusky case and there were people trying to come to terms with his actions due to his ties to the community. Even then, there were people willing to give him some benefit of the doubt, even though the majority of people still thought he deserved to go to prison.
No one says that people aren’t calling for his imprisonment (obviously they have been). But we are saying that Sandusky won’t be used as an example of “white pathology”. His crime will be viewed as evil on an individual basis. People aren’t going to look out their window, see a middle aged white man walking around and think “pedophile like Sandusky”. On the other hand, plenty of people have no problem looking outside and seeing a young black man or woman and thinking “dangerous”. That’s the problem. It seems like it’s okay to condemn a man for committing a crime, unless he’s black. Then it’s okay to condemn his entire race along with him, and that’s wrong.
No one is saying that these men escape without any consequences to their action. What we are saying is that, unlike Micheal Vick, these men will not have their actions go on to reflect their entire race. Odds are you will not see people say, “See, that’s why we can’t trust white people with kids.”.
There’s no good reason why we can look at Sandusky and think “Oh he needs jail time…” but look at Micheal Vick and think, “Black people aren’t civilized.” And yet, we see just that happening all the time and that is not fair.
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@ Earl, Truthbetold,
Ah okay I didn’t see those posts when I was writing this.
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I am waiting for the three stooges to appear; Doug 666, Bliff, and Randy. One dollar says Doug 99 will show up first!
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^^^ “doug 666″…I nearly fell over with laughter!
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Black pride ,brown pride are all aloud but white pride is not? whites rise up an defend your heritage and stop being race traders.
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While it is true that Lincoln regarded slavery as an evil and harmful institution, it is also true, as this paper will show, that he shared the conviction of most Americans of his time, and of many prominent statesmen before and after him, that blacks could not be assimilated into white society. He rejected the notion of social equality of the races, and held to the view that blacks should be resettled abroad. As President, he supported projects to remove blacks from the United States
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I really dont get the white mans guilt b.s. my people are from Poland and Italy .. Pollocks are stupid and all deigoes are in the mob? who is rasist now?
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White devil,
What are you talking about? That was random…
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@whitedevil:
You should change your moniker to ‘Tasmanian Devil’ seeing as you have the brains of one. On second thought, I take that back, Tasmanian devils are sort of cute. Anywho, what does ol Abe and his hypocritical views have to do with how whites read crime stats? Oh I forgot, ‘Pollacks are stupid and dagos are in the mob, who is rasist now’. You read like a walking advertisement for the race unrealists. Carry on with the jokes!
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@abagond some of your position on this is the assumption that any white who speaks up against reverse racism must be racist. Let me tell you this some cops may be cautious arresting or hurting a black person unjustly BECAUSE of the civil rights movement and that is a good thing. …………However say there is a recent immigrant from Poland or Hawaii or Mexico or Russia and the cops know they could play dirty and kill them or plant some drugs or lie in court. There is possibly a situation in the back of their minds they wouldn’t worry about it. After all the guy from Hawaii wouldn’t have thousands of angry protesters , or the NAACP, or the Hawaiian Panther Party, or Fake Political Activists like Kalahari Sharpton, or anything else to help him.
Don’t you see how this could be frustrating to some. What if the cops and the attorneys and the judge aren’t racist, but these organizations still exist. Isn’t then there an unfair advantage.
I could say the same thing about affirmative action. I don’t think anyone but black people truly benefit from that.
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^ you have reading comprehension issues (at the very least) it seems.
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@ white devil
Why don’t you start the mass migration first by going back to Europe if you feel that way. I’m pretty sure our Native American posters just love utter moral hypocrisy of your statement.
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Great posts, Aba!
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@ Dave,
Actually there are anti-defamation groups for indigenous individuals, of which Hawaiians would count. So yes, I’m sure that if that happened to them, there would be protesters waiting and willing to demand the fairness they’ve been denied. And Al Sharpton, (along with Jessie Jackson and other red herrings) fought hard for civil rights, even risking their lives. You have no real reason to feel frustrated because someone gets help from groups created specifically because society saw fit to constantly attack and demean them. They exist because of things like what Abagond is showing examples of up there. Without those groups there’d be no one defending them or keeping them from unfair laws which could hurt them.
Also, you really shouldn’t be feeling persecuted over something like affirmative action (unrelated to this thread but I’ll bite). After all, you’ve been receiving it for years. Why would it be a problem now that other people can get some of it too?
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The fundamental problem, why we view crime as racially or ethnically based, even when it is to some degree, or why we like or hate affirmative action (or the affirmative action of white racism), or whatever —
is because we willingly excuse “our” people of crimes, while especially blaming “others” for theirs.
The truth is this: Blacks and whites in this country have always been two separate peoples. Some have merged, but were kept separate and distinct by white racism. In response, there’s plenty of black racism to go around.
We need to face facts. It’s possible that there’s no good solution to have multiple national and sub-national identities in one country.
it means that when a black criminal gets gunned down in the street by cops, blacks won’t see a criminal getting publicly gunned down, they’ll see a brother getting gunned down. Whites will see a criminal.
When a white family has their home invaded by black thugs, the wife is raped and the family jewels stolen, white people see a vast tghrea tby alien black people and black people see a brother or two being bad, but basically just normal guys comitting a crime – indicating no social issue at all.
When a black guy is arrested for Drivign while Black, black people see institutional racism (even if the cop is black). White people see diligent cops.
When a black woman is denied a job at a restaurant because the owners fear having her friends hang out there, again, it’s racism directed at errant hooliganism which may not even be a factor for the girl – or it might. if you own a business, why take a chance?
The problem is that neither black nor white people want anything to do with each other. Whites represent little more than targets, either through official or unofficial redistribution and vengeance. Whites view blacks as a historical accident and an unassimilable sub-population.
Interesting, they don’t seem to have the same attitude towards Asians. So it’s not just a race/culture thing. In other words, in the past, it was race. Take race out of it, and now it’s a culture thing.
Two mutually reinforcing cultural attitudes. They each breed separation and anxiety.
I’m told by friends that in places like Canada, blacks and whites mix far more freely. I’d note they don’t have the same history of slavery there, they tend to choose highly educated black immigrants, and the black population seems to be culturally quite similar to the white population in terms of values and tastes. I’m not sure about Australia or New Zealand.
Now that this cultural dynamic has set in, we effectively have two mutually reinforcing cultural dynamics, which means that there may, in fact, be no solution of any kind.
We may have to face facts:
Racism is here to stay. As time goes on, it’s likely going to get much, much worse.
Red herrings like calls for reparations for slavery (the civil war sorted that out, promises or not), calles for repatriation to Africa (black Americans are as American as anyone else), calls for widescale affirmative action (if only there was actual equality in education and culture) and calls for equality of treatment without expectant equality of outcome (like good libertarians argue) will come to nothing.
Whites are racist for good reasons. Blacks are racist for equally good reasons. Blacks are angry in general for excellent reason; whites are wary for the same reasons, also excellent.
There is, in fact, no balm for this wound.
This is the difficulty people have in facing it. “If only we got along (wishful thinking of dreamers)”, “If only we were all the same (hopeful intellectuals)”, “Agree with me that we’re all the same or I’ll silence you (modern “liberalism”)”, “If only we could segregate everything we’d all be happier (racialist conservatives)”, …
All of these are pipe dreams. All the wishing in the world will change nothing: History has given us two populations who, if given the choice, would have nothing to do with each other. One seems permanently disadvantaged, through genes or culture or racism or a combination of all three. The other seems insecure, overconfident and arrogant, when it’s not trying too hard to be accomodating and ideologically correct.
The label “racist” barely has any useful meaning any more. It’s just a tag to silence people or dismiss them or score points with like-minded fellows.
The truth is that history has handed us some pretty sour lemons.
People like my half-black nieces have to navigate this pirhanna-infested water.
The enemies they face are legion, from liberal puritans to conservative racists, either of which can be black or white. No matter what they do, they need to find some way to make sense of the social miasma they find themselves in.
Whites may be racist bastards, but both sides need to own up to their flaws, their own ideological demons, and this is the problem:
Nobody can. Honesty is impossible in this climate. We just sit back and smack each other while the house burns. We’ve been doing it so long we don’t even notice any more. Rest assured everyone else on the outside knows what’s going on.
My Asian friends are dead-on. Black and white are both American, and both fratrididal.
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@ace
I don’t feel persecuted at all . I’m just saying that you can’t assume people are racist. That is alot of the argument for affirmative action. So if they arent racist then it becomes an unfair advantage.
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@ Gorbachev
That is way off topic, at least as stated. Commenters derail other threads with black crime stats and IQs. Now here we are and you are derailing crime stats! Wow.
Maybe I will write a post on white learned helplessness (= White people are helpless! They cannot help being racist douchebags!), but in the meantime go to the Open Thread or here:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/why-do-whites-hate-demonize-fear-or-look-down-on-blacks/
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@ Dave,
That doesn’t make sense. Racism causes the unfair advantage. No one benefits from racism except for (mostly) the racist. The examples up top show some ways in which that happens. It’s not the black people who receive some advantage from white people assuming all black people are irredeemable, it’s white people.
No one “assumes” someone is racist. Either someone says or does something racist, or they don’t. You’d have to willingly know what your doing in order to sit there, look at someone’s skin color, and treat them differently purely on that factor alone. There’s no “maybe” or “accident”. Hence, the institutions you brought up have been racist for a very long time, they’ve already proven (often recently) that they cannot be trusted to think fairly. Just because someone asks them to treat black people with some manner of equality or respect doesn’t mean that there’s some unfair advantage, it’s just asking them to live up to the things they claim they do. The problem you are running into is that you’ve been convinced that any positive thing black people receive (even if it’s some semblance of equality to you) is somehow to your detriment, or somehow is some unfair advantage over you. But you seem to ignore the advantage you yourself receive in the fact that if you walk down the street, you aren’t going to have your actions reflect your race or your race reflect how others initially treat you.
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Nice post as usual Abagond. Well placed and succinct points.
The Rwanda genocide gets to me because there is always focus on the genocide and not the amazing healing that went on and still goes on in Rwanda. These people did an extraordinary thing and forgave one another and are trying to move on. But racist people always use this as a backdrop to prove our savagery as black people and fail to see the overwhelming humanity these people had to forgive their neighbour for killing a loved one.
Same thing with the truth and reconciliation commission in South Africa. Black people there agreed to forgive and provide amnesty to the white racists there. But now all they get is ‘look at how you blacks have messed up OUR country’..smh.
Those stats are just used as confirmation that we are just rabid savages prepared to kill. Hmm you should read accounts of slaves while on board the ships…the africans said they had never encountered a more savage and cruel race. But that doesn’t matter right?
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@ Earl
Not sure I understand you. How can I troll my own blog?
This is how I wrote this post: I listed the arguments I have heard a zillion times about blacks and crime stats, wrote them down and then either wrote down the unsaid part that makes it racist or otherwise makes it seem illogical. Like how crime stats are used to prove something about the true nature of black people, but not that of white people. Or we trust FBI or African numbers when they favour our racist view of crime and throw them aside when they do not.
To come to a conclusion and THEN find facts to support it while overlooking those that do not is almost the definition of prejudice, a huge part of racism.
In no way am I asking anyone to turn a blind eye to crime committed by blacks. Instead I am objecting to the racist and therefore illogical and therefore idiotic ways people have of thinking and talking about it.
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@ Malkia,
On Rwanda, one of the biggest reasons why I get fed up with racists using that example is that these “civilized” white countries sat back and watched, and had to be convinced to even call it a “genocide” (even when U.N. soldiers begged them to take action or allow them to do so in their stead). Even after the Holocaust (where they were shown first hand what a genocide was, in an example they couldn’t ignore like they usually did), they still couldn’t figure out whether or not that was a genocide! The conflict was ended by blacks and the healing was started by blacks. But racists still won’t hesitate to use that conflict as an example of “pathology”.
Of course it doesn’t matter, since that proves that individual whites were racist, and we can’t possibly apply any negative reaction to anything racists have done, because white people are all individuals, even if they did it with nationwide policies! Hitler was totally an exception! Institutional slavery! Totally an “exception”! Rwanda? That just proves that black people can’t run countries!
Pedophilia and serial murder? Exceptions! Statistics are wrong there and should be investigated! Crime? All black people share the blame, and the statistics are suddenly set in stone!
The ability to treat white crime as an exception instead of the rule while doing the opposite in regards to people of color just makes it easier to excuse policies that hurt people of color. If we can paint black people as responsible for all societal ills, then we won’t have to watch where we shoot or who we hire. No one wants to be equal with a “problem”.
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@abagond: Good post again.
Notice how none of the white excusers do not even whisper the word Organized crime. And yet, from 1920’s up to early 1990’s white organized crime was the absolutely biggest crime in the USA and one of the biggest in the world.
If we think that at its peak Cosa Nostra alone had some 3000 to 4000 members (in 1980’s FBI estimated the number of members around 2300), we know that out of that number most guys had killed at least one individual. They had to. You do not enter this organisation without participating in a murder, and in the past the requirement was actual murder. In order to become a made member, a made guy in Cosa Nostra, you had to kill someone by your own hands. Later it became enough to participate in murder, chop up the body, help to kill the victim by holding etc. or setting up the actual murder. But in the earlier times you personally had to kill someone.
That alone puts the number of their murder victims in thousands. Even when some members did not personally killed anybody, others did by dozens. In Cosa Nostra there were litterally dozens of guys who killed up twenty guys and many who had killed even more than that. And that number is just their murders and just by the italianamerican organized crime. This does not include murders committed by their associates and non members who were and are involved in that business.
Other mobs, jewish and irish and mixed, were and are part of the organized crime too. Just check out bostonian irish Whitey Bulger. How many guys he personally killed? Not to mention those legendary guys in Murder Inc. who killed guys by dozens. Philip Strauss alone was convicted with 58 murders the cops knew and he was suspected from as many more.
Add to this the drug trade which they controlled pretty much from 1930’s untill 1990’s. How many people died during those decades from over doses and other drug related reasons? Thousands at least. The drug trade by white organized crime litterally destroyed dozens of black neighborhoods all across the USA from New York to Detroit, to Chicago to LA. And that was nothing? Nothing criminal? How many victims that had? Hundreds of thousands.
Add to that the massive commercial thievery, lone sharking, gambling, numbers, prostitution, porn, labour unions, corruption of polticians, judges, judicial systems in several cities, Hollywood (via Sidney Korshak and his pals), and forgery, robberies, transportation, fashion industry, clothing industry, waste management etc.
It is very funny how all these guys promoting the idea of black criminality somehow forget all of that!
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@ Sam
Not only is organized crime not mentioned, but neither is deviant behaviour. It’s nice to see selective outrage on this thread.
@ dave
I’ll respond briefly then drop it. I don’t want to derail…
Affirmative action and welfare were created to benefit whites. Especially white women. Look it up.
Cops and judges and everyone you listed ARE racist, (institionalized racism is the system), that’s why white and black crime stats are seen, judged and reported by the media differently.
@ gorbachev
I had trouble with the root of your debate.
Simply put, whites who commit crimes are made to have a good reason for doing it. It does not reflect poorly on the entire population.
Blacks are just born savages so criminal behaviour is expected. No excuses are made. No benefit of the doubt.
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@sam – Thank you so much for bringing up organized crime. That was a time when White gangs terrorized many communities. They were no different (probably much worse really) than the crips or bloods, but that part of American history is always conveniently forgotten when the criminal behavior of certain groups is discussed.
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@ Truthbetold, Sam, Saadiyah,
I’ve noticed that organized crime (much like white collar crime, art theft, and cyber crime) is often treated like something “cool” or “edgy”. You know, guys in suits wearing fedoras and living the “sweet life”. Selective outrage indeed. Notice how the Mexican Mafia is used to show that Mexicans are dangerous foreigners, but the Italian Mafia is used to show how stylish and “mysterious” white gangsters are? Sopranos anyone? Biker gangs? Game of Thrones? Bonnie and Clyde? The European pirate?
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@ Ace
Romanticism plays a big part of it. It shows how white crooks are envied for their slyness and intelligence. Again, this is a spin to downplay the seriousness of the crime. Bernie Madoff was described as a criminal mastermind. I often wonder if Madoff was a black guy named Jerome Jenkins, how long would he have gotten away with it?
Ace, why hasn’t anyone responded to the facts, glaring facts, about pederests? Doug and Randy are cautiously missing from this thread.
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@Ace – You’re totally right. White gangsters have been made into cool, smart, exciting celebrities, despite the fact that they were mass murderers, thieves, or had committed other felonies. For non-Whites doing the same, they are touted as dangerous monsters who are wreaking havoc on society.
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@ Ace, truthbetold, sam, Saadiyah:
Spot on! Books and movies about Alfonse ‘Scarface’ Capone, ‘Bugsy’ Malone, and the whole ‘Godfather’ romanticism is amazing. The two people who went on a recent West Coast murder spree were described as a “modern-day ‘Bonnie & Clyde’ “.
TV shows glorifying the ‘outlaw biker’ lifestyle are nauseating to me: Sons of Anarchy and Full Trottle Saloon seem to be very popular. I like to ride, but do my best to stay away from the racist riffraff – and there is plenty of that at any motorcycle rally, even the popular ‘Toys For Tots’ run…it’s crazy.
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@truthtobetold:
Bernie Madoff is one of the biggest criminals ever and yet his doings are seen somehow “victimless” even though he stole billions which means tens of thousands lost their pention funds, money, houses, life savings etc.
I also find it extremely funny that there even is so called “white collar crime”, like that type of criminality is clean and somehow victimless. In fact so called white collar crime is usually organized crime in it self no matter what defenition one uses but for some how it very seldomly gets the RICO treatment from the DA’s or FBI. White collar crimes usually hit the whole society, not just junkies and homeless, but every one.
@ace:
The mystifying and glamouring of the italian mafias is very strange phenomena indeed. Catanian mafiaboss Pippo Calderone puts it very straight in his biography:
1. There has never been any rule in sicilian mafia that bans killing of women and children. If they have to be murdered, then they have to be. It doesn’t matter how young a child is or who the woman is, if they are the ones who have to be killed, they will be. As a matter of fact, sicilian mafia has killed numerous women and children in the past.
2. There has never been any rule against drug business. The whole organisation has never made an official desicion to go in it but every single member can get in drug trade if he wishes to do so.
As for the violence, anything goes. Like judge Giovanni Falcone said before he was killed, the mafia does not send esoteric messages or do artistic murders. It kills people in any method that is usefull. The point is to kill, to make sure that a person is killed. Any method will do: acid bath, fire, shooting, strangulation, knifing, bombs. The murder is the message.
Giovanni Falcone was killed himself by a thousand kilo bomb which was placed under a normal highway. The explosion cut the four lane road in half. Just couple kilometers futher up the road there was the back up, similar device. Falcone, his wife and bodyguards were killed in the blast.
If any one wishes to get a realistic picture about napolitan camorra, the naples mafia, read a book Gomorra by Roberto Saviano or see the movie under the same name. The movie was actually made in the real places and few real life camorristi are acting on it as extras. It is not a pretty sight.
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it cracks me up that white people think black people dont know about their crimes. white people will kidnap your child, rape him, kill him, film the whole thing then sell it to other white people. all you have to do is watch cable to see the crimes that white people do. these crimes dont get put on the six of clock news. cold case files, forensic files, court tv, discovery id, wicked attraction (where they show the white women assisting the men with killing innocent women, the white women also lure the childern to be raped and murdered by their husbands and boyfriends). dont forget the show snapped where they show back to back “sweet, innocent” white women murdering their husbands for money! these programs show white people commiting horrific crimes against innocent people that just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. these murders are many and not few and far between. some people have even said this is normal behavior for white people to kill and traumatize for the fun of it. just look no further then when white people use to burn and kill black people for entertainment on wednesday afternoons. they would watch black people being burned alive screaming and bleeding and would sit there and eat their lunch!! yes, black people know the crime that white people do. we feel YOU are the historical mistake on this earth. and so do other whites that is why your white women is trying to mix you out.
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To:
Bernie Madoff is one of the biggest criminals ever and yet his doings are seen somehow “victimless” even though he stole billions which means tens of thousands lost their pention funds, money, houses, life savings etc.</i?
Nonsense.. there has been much press about Bernie Madoff's victims.
Over 726,000 hits on Google for Bernie Madoff's vicitms:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=Bernie+Madoff's+victims&oq=Bernie+Madoff's+victims&aq=f&aqi=g1g-s3&aql=1&gs_l=hp.3..0j0i10l3.8821l8821l1l9184l1l1l0l0l0l0l121l121l0j1l1l0.efis.1.&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=af73696fe4de10c7&biw=1920&bih=975
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@ace
A more accurate comparison than the ones you gave would have been the various wars in the former Yugoslavia that were occurring around the same time as the Rwandan genocide. That particular little spat gave us the phrase “ethnic genocide”.
You’ll also wann check out some the war rape stories that they have too.Pretty good stuff! Like the Srbs would gang rape the Bosnian women, then leave them in a dungeon for nine months so that theywould give birth to Serb “chetnicks”.
I’ll post some stories in more detail later.
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@ Ace:
I didn’t understand why the police didn’t bother to follow up Dahmer’s story regarding the young Asian teenager. If I recall, an African-American woman had reported a bloody, naked Asian youth. And, of course, we know what happened to this young man. It’s a damn shame so many innocent people died because the police took what Dahmer said at face value due to his being white.
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@ Leigh,
Same here. It was the saddest part of that case for me. It didn’t make sense to me either. If you were a cop and you saw that, what part of that would not scream “follow up on immediately”? They were too busy making fun of the black women’s accents and joking around with Dahmer to pay attention to fact that this 14 year old boy was drugged and bleeding.
It was so shameful because all the victims were either Asian, Black, or white but poor and gay. These were people that the cops could care less about due to things like what Abagond laid out up there.
You know, Ted Bundy only got away with as many as he did because no one was suspicious of a clean cut white man who voted Republican. The Atlanta Child Murder got away with so many because black children weren’t valuable enough to investigate thoroughly from the start. Richard Speck’s murder spree was blamed on the “madness of the 60’s”.
I wonder how any victims could’ve been saved in almost every serial killer case if people didn’t resort to finding ways to blame the victims or feel out the killer?
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@ Gorbachev
The only voice of reason here.
Separation is the only way.
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Click to access Rape_Myths_&_Facts.pdf
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“@ Gorbachev
The only voice of reason here.
Separation is the only way.”
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I’m behind on reading ALL the comments, but I saw this ^^ one:
Isn’t “separation” an odd assessment coming from RR and supposedly neutral members of “THE racist group” – white supremacy – that enjoys IMPOSING themselves upon populations/people/lands/nations that were/are minding their own business??
You *entertainers* can’t even separate yourselves from this site, much less anything else. You can prove me wrong when you stop entangling yourselves (and your sole reasonable voice) in the affairs of “others” and return to your native European habitats – on and offline.
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“Myth:
Most sexual assaults involve a black man raping a white woman.
Fact:
– In 93% of assaults, the rapist and victim are of the same race
– In 3.4% of sexual assault cases, white men raped black women
– In 3.3% of sexual assault cases, black men raped white women
Click to access Rape_Myths_&_Facts.pdf
(CCASA = Colorado coalition against sexual assault)
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White supremacists like to bring up the ‘Color of Crime’ which in turn references the ‘National Crime Victimization Survey’. Just know that the white-on-black rape in the survey was based on an estimation drawn from 10 or fewer cases. Pure bullcrap”.
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@bulanik:
Trust me, these white excusers are more than happy forget about Russia and its crime. As a matter of fact, they are very happy to ignore the whole east Europe. And for good reason too. 😀
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To Bulanik:
How come there aren’t more crime comparisons with countries like Russia?
Perhaps, because we aren’t in Russia…? For the record I would think someone comparing “Black and White crime” to Sweden, Russia, various countries in Africa, the Carribean, etc.. and then applying it to the US are just pulling something out of their rear.
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@ Matari
Separation is a funny thing, isn’t it?
For a group of people who believe that they are truly superior, they are constantly in our faces, talking to us, wearing our clothes, listening to our music in one form or another (for the ignorant whites here: blues, jazz and hip-hop paved the way for rock and roll, pop
and country music.) eating our food and wanting desperately to be as cool, suave and “hip” as we are.
I’m amazed that racists come on a black blog to argue to the death with people they consider subpar. And stay for months arguing the same thing! I’m also amazed that when you bring up obvious truth
about who they are, they get offended but have no trouble insulting you and expect you to agree with them.
If whites like Bliff, mr. white, doug( who is strangely missing from this thread) and Randy feel that separation is the key from us , why can’t they do it?
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@truthbetold:
Rock’n’roll was black music originally in 1940’s. All the white rockers, excluding perhaps Pat Boone, recognized that and told so. Even the name Rock and roll was black lingo at that time.
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Trughbetold and Sam….absolutly
Is music , dance and culture just swept under the rug in these discusions of invention? Its not under my rug
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“Trust me, these white excusers are more than happy forget about Russia and its crime. As a matter of fact, they are very happy to ignore the whole east Europe.”
I have personally noticed that many racist white people don’t consider them white. They also don’t consider southern Europeans white. They claim all the inventions yet they don’t claim the people.
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@ sam:
“Rock & roll” was, specifically, a term for sex that was originally coined by the black blues singers – before the 1940s, too. Funny to think that music that seems tame by today’s standards was actually quite scandalous back in the day – then again, considering the negative labels that were given to anything associated with black people, it’s hardly surprising. Only when rock & roll was sanitized and ‘whitewashed’ did it become acceptable and ‘mainstream’…
Old-school Delta blues…good stuff! 😎
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@ Uncle Milton
No it’s quite relevant due to the fact tha it goes against the HBD narrative of Brutish Blacks and Brilliant Whites. Its hard to say that blacks have poor impulse control in a country like Barbados, or that whites are calm, industrious ethical Protestants in a country like Russia. Easy to point out South Africa, harder to counterargue with yourself Barbados, the whole Eastern Caribbean , or Botswana.
The point is not about American blacks, but the black race in general.
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To Satanforce and Bulanik:
the HBD narrative of Brutish Blacks and Brilliant Whites…
Yes I supposed I wasn’t clear in my comments:
“For the record I would think someone comparing “Black and White crime” to Sweden, Russia, various countries in Africa, the Carribean, etc.. and then applying it to the US are just pulling something out of their rear.”
were directed towards HBD types…or anyone bringing in criminal activities in other countries and comparing them to the US.
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To Bulanik:
I notice you did not reply to my answer on another thread regarding NAMBLA…
Don’t remember the comment. What was it..?
NAMBLA… that’s all ancient Greek to me.
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@ Uncle Milton,
I do think that it’s a relevant point. Usually the HBDers, “race realists” and racists bring up the “black race” when they’re talking about blacks, so they aren’t exactly limiting themselves geographically.
@ B.R., Sam,
The odd thing about that whole situation is that white rockers saw little wrong with enforcing the segregation and other laws that made it okay for them to play black music but keep out black people. They were fine using black music to make themselves wealthy, but it seems like that was about it. Much like many other people who are fine using facets of black “culture” that they like but refuse to treat the people who developed it with any sort of respect.
@ Truthbetold,
Honestly, the separation argument makes me think of a playground bully who is mad pouting in a corner because their victim told the teacher and got him yelled at. Sure, he was fine being “friends” when he got to pull her hair and slam her face into the dirt, and yes, they “got along” when he got to steal her lunch and make her eat sand. But now that he has to be nice? He suddenly wants to mope in the corner and be “left alone”.
All of these racists who want “separation” don’t really want that, not in anyway that isn’t dysfunctional . They want to return to the time when we all “got along”, aka when they got to bully us openly and we had to all be subservient to them. You know like their “black friends” who only agree with them to their face. Since they can’t have that, they feel victimized and suddenly want to be “separate”.
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This is, in effect, a low -level civil war. White people look on it that way.
When a white guy is racist, the public hue and cry is now a suffocating din. When a bunch of black teens beat up a white guy for – well, for being white, nothing happens. The whole tit-for-tat thing is a red herring. Without Trayvon, the same things were happening every day, in every city. Insert convenient excuse for current hatred here. Proximate cause, irrelevant.
So you can say that the reading of these crime stats is irrelevant, but the sociological facts on the ground make daily survival a different matter.
You tell us it’s just a problem of perception. There is, indeed, no problem at all.
Like the Florida real estate agent who didn’t want to appear racist, so despite her own instincts went with a black potential client to view an apartment – where he raped her. She went there solely because she didn’t want to appear racist. That motivation got her raped. Or the guy I knew who didn’t want to appear racist and left his car in the care of some local kids who said they’d wash it for him. He had doubts, but they seemed like nice kids. Virtually anything of value that was movable was stripped from the car when he got back. When asked why they’d done it by their parents, the immediate answer they gave that was supposed to be a perfect rationalization was: He was a white guy, it’s not like it was a crime.
This is what white people think. We know what black people think: We all misread and misrepresent statistics. But we also experience social reality.
What’s most galling for blacks is how whites use these things to justify indiscriminate racism. What’s most galling for whites is how black Americans hide behind racism and use it like a shield to disarm any potential criticism.
You see any good way out of this? I don’t. It’s a hands-gripping-throats spiral to the bitter end.
And on that note, here’s some potential payback. Note the rather sad effect.
Mr. Watts was on his way home from the nearby Gas Express Mart at Starr Avenue and White Street about 4:45 p.m. Saturday when the boys approached him.
One pointed at Mr. Watts and said, “take him down,” the victim recounted in an interview Monday. Mr. Watts, carrying home two small bags of pork rinds to dole out as treats to his three dachshunds, looked at the youth and said, “Why you picking on me?” Mr. Watts recalled. “Remember Trayvon. Why you picking on me?”
The boy, again, allegedly told his friends to “take him down.” While Mr. Watts was down the boys kicked him, over and over, shouting, “[Get] that white [man]. This is for Trayvon … Trayvon lives, white [man]. Kill that white [man],” according to a police report. Toledo police charged two children — the 11-year-old and a 17-year-old — with robbery, Sgt. Roy Kennedy said.
At his home Monday, Mr. Watts said he has never allowed weapons inside and that when his four children were growing up, they were not allowed to play “cops and robbers, to kill the Indians.” During the Vietnam War, Mr. Watts, who served in the military from 1950 to 1961, refused to let his boys play GI Joes. There would be no more killing, he said. But now, Mr. Watts says he plans to buy a gun and obtain a permit to carry it. “What happened to me … down here on the corner, that changed my perspective on humanity,” Mr. Watts said.
The assault occurred only a few hours after a peaceful rally, near the Thurgood Marshall Building, 420 E. Manhattan Blvd., to show support for the Martin family.
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@ Gorbachev
That is a straw man. I do not know a single black person who thinks crime is not a big deal.
As I said above:
People like you. You are almost textbook. You are Mr Confirmation Bias all the way.
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/08/03/confirmation-bias/
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@ Gorbachev:
Your story of Mr Watts leaves something out:
http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2012/04/07/Toledo-police-Man-s-account-of-assault-may-be-exaggerated.html
It seems that your dear Mr Watts was knocked down and robbed of his pork rinds but he is pouring gasoline on the fire of an already tense racial situation by framing it as an act of racial revenge.
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I think Uncle Milton might be referring to how the ancient Greeks accepted man-boy love as an ordinary thing.
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I often wonder if Madoff was a black guy named Jerome Jenkins, how long would he have gotten away with it?
Probably a couple of months. The tip off? A negro with money in the bank not asking for ‘handouts’ according to these white racists. They would be looking for something to bring this successful negro down.
Ace, why hasn’t anyone responded to the facts, glaring facts, about pederests? Doug and Randy are cautiously missing from this thread.
Draw a pentacle and invoke ol Scratch and his minions Beelzabub and Baphomet. They will show up in the guise of those two you mentioned. On the other hand they may be too busy indulging in these proclivities right now to respond. Give them a couple of hours or days.
About the go back to Africa argument. Well jackarses, you would follow us there if for nothing else the resources or charity purposes as you need something to feel good about yourselves, and you enjoy thieving on a grand scale it would appear. Not for most of you the robbing of banks or b&es. So that wouldn’t be an ideal solution.
@Uncle Milton:
I think Uncle Milton might be referring to how the ancient Greeks accepted man-boy love as an ordinary thing.
If what he says is true, then you are a filthy pervert! Shame on you!
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Abagond,
Of course, blacks think it’s a problem. But like tribal consciousness prescribes, they don’t see it as a black problem – they see it as a crime problem.
Given that the majority of it goes down on one side of the fence, the white communities see it as a black problem. Tribal, again. But just to hammer home the point that this is tribal.
In fact, what is generally known is that blacks will target whites for special abuse just because they’re white.
Here’s a bunch of entirely unapologetic racists pointing this out. They’re racist. But this is what you have to deal with.
Like it or not: These white people are your neighbors, your coworkers, and the people who share your citizenship. They are the people who vote with you. They are the people who get frustrated. You can rail against this racism all you want, but the problem is – they’re not entirely wrong about crime. So long as racists can read the news, and see the experiences of others and the people they know, they’ll harbor racism. Every time a mob of black kids descends on a shopping mall to engage in the sport of mass five-finger liberation or decides to beat the crap out of some guy for no reason other than the fact that he’s white, they don’t see random youths committing violence.
They see someone from a tribe different from theirs beating up their own. That’s the sum total of it.
http://glpiggy.net/2012/04/14/man-arrested-in-the-baltimore-beating/
This is what black and white means: racism justified by black anger and black racism; black anger justified by white racism.
What’s your solution for getting out of this pickle? Frankly, both positions seem entirely rational.
Segregation won’t work. Feel-good liberal no-race ideological pandering won’t work, because it’s failed spectacularly so far. Massive taxation and redistribution isn’t working at all, even when it did.
If you have a solution that can solve the problem on both sides of the fence, then please tell me. In the meantime, white racism seems to be a survival tactic, and what Derbyshire recently wrote for Takimag that got him into trouble makes huge amounts of practical sense for white parents and their kids. Say it’s racist – it’s also reality. And advice black parents give about not getting a fair shake and whites never really trusting you – same deal.
Pretending it’s nice or going after whites only or blacks only solves nothing. People just retreat into their respective tribal positions.
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@ Gorbachev
Listen up good:
1. The fact that you cited GL Piggy tell us all we need to know.
2. Overall, whites target blacks for various hate crimes all throughout history til the present day. This is undisputed.
3. Your shopping mall example is moot.
4. Segregation doesn’t work indeed. That’s why whites are ALWAYS in our faces, dying to know what we lowly coloureds are talking about, thinking about, eating, wearing, what music we listen to, how we wear our hair, raise our children, why we talk the way we do, how we can dance so well, who we marry, who we sleep with, the size of our men’s privates, sex tricks / positions and what makes us so damn special that we’re actually proud to be black.
5. Blacks don’t give a damn what whites do. That’s why we’re here, on a black blog, minding our own business. We didn’t seek you, Gorbey, YOU sought us.
But then again…you always do.
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Truthbetold,
Thank you!
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@ Brothawolf
You are most welcome.
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“Crime rate – Where white people commit most of the crimes it is because most people are white. How is that wrong? But if blacks, who are 13% of America, commit more than 13% of any crime, even 14%, it is because there is something wrong with them:”
Pick a categapry Abagond. How about murder – blacks commit about 50% of the murders and are 13% of the population. How should a white man feel about that? Does it mean anything at all to you?
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I’ve been doing some thinking and have come to the core issue in black/white problems. Its not slavery by the way. Why did all non-english speaking white immigrants meld so quickly? Why do Asians do so well? Why are Hispanics progressing (the high rate of their immigration skews their very real assimiilation)?
They all are interbreeding.
That is what it all comes down to. White males do not favor black females – this is definitely racist but seemingly unavoidable.
I’m not sure how much it has to do with physical attraction vs cultural disdain vs fear of public scorn vs fear for his future children. I’m also not sure if its completely one-sided; do black women perhaps find white men equally unappealing? My experience tells me that black women do not feel a strong pull towards white men but its white men who hold the majority of blame here I think. I know that my first ever crush was on a black girl and she could not return the affection – I beleive this was mostly out of fear of being stigmatized.
All the racism stuff is just the normal reaction between two culturally isolated groups that live together. I think blacks feel this barrier to intermarriage and react to it – the raction is not acceptable nonetheless. I have no solutions and will continue to protect my family.
Jewish success is a bit of a different story.
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@Brahms
I agree,
My first crush was on a White guy and he didn’t like me back. Strange.
”All the racism stuff is just the normal reaction between two culturally isolated groups that live together. ” I agree 100%.
And not all Black girls dislike White guys I actually have a fetish for White guys although I prefer Black guys.
And I think that White guys are actually afraid of being stigatimzed as well because they was this White guy liked me but he told me on fb though.
Yeah I was taught that it wasn’t socially acceptable for a Black woman to date a White man and vice versa. I don’t see why people find it socially unacceptable.
And you seemed to dislike me after I re read your comments on the other post. Don’t you? Am I a threat to you? Just tell me.
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Interracial dating is way off topic here unless you can apply it to the post. I am deleting any further comments about it on this thread.
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@Abagond
Sorry. I promise I wouldn’t go off topic.
@Brahms
I am not a criminal or bad person. I make good grdes and mind my own business at school. You think there is something wrong with Blacks? How come you comment on this blog then?
People of ALL RACES commit crime regardless of their social status.
I just want all this sterotyping Black people with criminals to stop because not all Black people are blood thirsty killers.
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Brahms, a white man doesnt need to feel anything aboiut reading statistics of 50 percent murder an 13 percent of the poplulation
Statistics are skewed, people can skew them anyway they want to
They sure dont alude to the racist atitudes and realities in society that create conditions that can fan violence. Take the drug murders out by rivaling gangs. What would the statistics say then? What are the circumstances? Statistics are as cold as a white racist klansman
Adeen, …really nice new picture !!
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BR?
The statistics show that blacks commit too much violent crime and attack whites more than whites attack blacks. It all hinges on crime. If blacks simply had this large sub-population that liked to act macho but weren’t actually violent or criminally inclined then I wouldn’t care. There are percentages of both black and white that enjoy violent crime; the percentage is much higher among blacks. Black violent crime affects both whites and blacks – I condemn whites who behave this way; I want cops patrolling poor white areas and locking up every white criminal they find; do you feel the same about poor black neighborhoods?
It seems you want to dismiss the statistics – I have lived the statistics.
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Adeen
I have no dislike for you, you have an open mind which is more than can be said for most people who visit this blog.
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To Bulanik:
Who said:
“Further, I notice you did not reply to my answer on another thread regarding NAMBLA.”
When I asked her to reiterate the question said:
“You expect ME to step’n fetch it for you, do you? I think not: look it up yourself.”
Since I don’t know what you originally asked or on which thread the original question was posed…. and you don’t seem to want to tell me.. I guess you don’t think the question was too important.
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To Bulanik:
If the international crime figures showed a preponderance of African nations as crime leaders in a discussion about black crime in the US, I am tempted to ask whether Uncle Milton would have come back as quick;y with his vulgar dismissals in an effort to put a stop to it right then and there.
As they stand, the figures I linked earlier showed that most of the world’s criminal activity is centred in North America and Western Europe; it seem that only one African country makes a showing in the top 20 of that list:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes
I was not interested in comparing relative crime statistics of different countries but since you seem think I am avoiding something.. let’s look at the data first from the link you provided:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes
Off the bat I notice that the first three most populous countries in Africa (Nigeria, Egypyt, and Ethiopia) are not even listed and things like software piracy and suicide are listed under the crime category. Also some countries have many listings for various crimes and some only have a few listings. Also there is no adjustment for population. (EG understanding what the actual crime rate is..) When we drill down to homicide statistics per capita a different story emerges:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_hom_ove_hom_rat_per_100_pop-rate-per-100-000-pop
Two of the three African countries which actually did have homicide data listed did not fare well. (Zambia, Mauritius, Morocco, and the Seychelles did not list homicide data…the majority of African countries aren’t listed) The third, Côte d’Ivoire, is shown as having a homicide rate of 6.136 per 100,000 compared to the US at 9.1 per 100,000, but the figures for the latter are way too high per the FBI. The average homicide rate per 100,000 in the US is 4.8, markedly less. Obvious errors and incomplete figures with the majority of the countries of the world not even listed. (The most populous countries of two continents…China and Nigeria don’t even make the list..toss in Pakistan and Egypt for good measure..) Per another list the homicide figures listed for Thailand by Nationmaster are 682% too high.
Then we have this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
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Brahms, your post escaped me, so I will adress it now..
I want a police force that is fair, not asuming people have weapons because of racial profiling , and then shoot them.
Your statistical reverance totaly doesnt speak to reality. If I see statistics about black violence in black neighborhoods, I know its mostly drug traficing , related violence. Its one of the only upward mobility , high risk, high eanings oportunities that many young poor black males find themselves confronted with in mostly a bleak situation that that young man is only too aware of the very real racism and discrimination that he has started to perceive at a very young age.
I dont want police spending time on drug busts, I think drug laws and the drug war are some of the biggest hypocracy that our society has going. And, it is blatenly racist and a big excuse to lock up black people. There absoutly is an element in our society that wants to feed the prison indusdry complex. In the most covert insidious way this element alternativly sends messages of reward and punishment .
I consider white collar crime and white scams equaly as bad as any drug crime , if not worse
The police need to focus on the real violent criminals black and white and any color who pray on society…those statistics are severly skewed by drug violence statistics
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BR
“young poor black males find themselves confronted with in mostly a bleak situation that that young man is only too aware of the very real racism and discrimination that he has started to perceive at a very young age.”
You lay the blame at whites for black murdering gang thugs? Incredible.
Drug war – maybe it would help to stop selling or doing drugs? Is it racist to ask blacks to not sell or take drugs?
You can equate white collar crime and murderous black drug gangs all you want. Its an amazing position to hold but you’re welcome to it.
“he police need to focus on the real violent criminals black and white and any color who pray on society…those statistics are severly skewed by drug violence statistics”
I see – blacks shooting blacks and innocent bystanders is not real violence. Blacks making the lives of decent blacks hell is not a problem that needs to be addressed. These gang members are not “real” criminals – I’m sure there’s no correlation between being a black gang member and being a rapist.
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@Brahms
….the lives of decent blacks ….
Wow. From all of the commentary you post on this and other blogs, we would never have known ‘decent blacks’ existed! Tell me, how do you discern which blacks are indeed ‘decent’ – are they the ones who wholeheartedly assimilate? The ones who are the opposite to those that you grew up knowing that you dont feel ‘ostracised’ in their presence?
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Demerara
I’ve repeatedly said that problem balcks represent only a subpoulation of blacks. This subpopualtion is responsible for 52% of the ALL murders in the U.S..
If you want the definition of the word decent, use a dictionary; its a word that applies to all races.
like this
“Characterized by conformity to recognized standards of propriety or morality.”
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@Brahms
If you want the definition of the word decent, use a dictionary; its a word that applies to all races.
I asked how YOU discerned which black people are decent – I understand what the word means perfectly.
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Oh, white people dont do drugs too ?
I gave you the reason that some young black Americans might be caught up in a violent crime, meaning that it has nothing to do with your day to day life, yet it winds up on statistics that white race (ist) realists trot out all day to wail on black crime threats to them. They and you dont really care about black on black violence, you just use it as a statictic .
Like I said, drug laws are the most hypocritical racist shams out there…you beleive the crap you would like to twist it into
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BR
“meaning that it has nothing to do with your day to day life”
So I’m not allowed to care about behavior unless it directly affects me in my daily life? Do you have daily run-ins with serial killers? Shall we not care about them either?
Nonsense of course – even if blacks only hurt other blacks and never touched a white, they are still citizens in this country who deserve your attention. They still would be a drain on police and the prison system for the bigots out there.
Drug laws do not make blacks sell drugs and join gangs – to think otherwise is delusional. And no, prohibition did not cause white gangs – both are/were criminals. And no, women wearing cetain clothes does not create rapists.
Criminal enjoy crime – they will fill all niches available.
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Demera
“I asked how YOU discerned which black people are decent – I understand what the word means perfectly.”
I follow the definition. Many whites do no meet the standards as well.
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Br
“Oh, white people dont do drugs too ?”
White people don’t form drug gangs and terrorise neighborhoods, play the knock out gang on blacks, riot in the street and burn and loot, pull random blacks out of vehicles and smash their heads in with concrete blocks, gang attack lone black and strip them naked in the street, etc..
Now please tell me about wall street and evil colonialism and I’ll you that no stock broker has ever played the knock out game or fired an uzi from a car window.
Violent crime is just that – violent. All races participate, blacks have a proclivity for it. This is reality.
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@Brahms
brahms
Demera???
“I asked how YOU discerned which black people are decent – I understand what the word means perfectly.”
I follow the definition. Many whites do no meet the standards as well.
So, how do YOU filter out the detrius? What ‘standard’ must be met to pass?
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[…] Reading while white: crime statistics […]
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Interesting crime stats from the FBI. Overall whites commit 70% of all crime in the USA. The media does not talk about this.
More than twice as many whites as blacks were arrested and charged with a crime, according to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri
Of 9.5 million offenses charged, 6.7 million whites were arrested, compared to 2.5 million blacks.
The most common crimes were drug abuse violations, resulting in arrest of 770,430 whites and 381,006 blacks.
Whites were far more likely to be arrested driving under the influence. Of 998,035 total offenses, 877,810 of those arrested where whites.
Blacks, meanwhile, were more than twice as likely as whites to be arrested for gambling, 5,153 to 1,964.
And while blacks comprise about 13 percent of the population, they were charged with most of the robberies, 40,993 compared to 33,070 for whites, and nearly as many homicides–4,395 black and 4,454 white.
Whites outnumbered blacks about 2-1 in arrests for other crimes, including rape (11,766-6,114), aggravated assault (203,076-103,697), burglary (143,889-103,697) and larceny/theft (556,215-233,806.)
Whites also were most often arrested for motor vehicle theft, arson, other assaults, fraud, embezzlement, dealing in stolen property, vandalism, weapons charges, prostitution, sex offenses, crimes against families and children, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, vagrancy, curfew and loitering, suspicion, as runaways and all other offenses not including traffic.
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It is crucial to raise kids to see people as people.
For the first fifteen years of my life I was unaware racism existed. People looked different from each other, but that didn’t mean anyone would be acting a certain way.
When somebody acts racist it still shocks me that ignorance like that goes on. I never let it slide, either, or laugh along to fit in (when a racist joke or snide comment is uttered.) I never, ever fail to point out that kind of ignorance if my child is present, and will make sure the racist is aware of being part of a teachable moment.
When I meet people from other countries, or states, or neighborhoods, or cultures I feel nothing but a genuine curiousity about them, and want to know what their lives were like growing up where they did and how they did. I have no preconceived notions.
Growing up with no prejudgements makes for responsible citizens who are outraged by injustice and willing to do the right thing when they see it happening.
All children should be given the book ‘Sneetches’ by Dr. Suess (adults should read it as well. I read it as an adult.) It clearly illustrates the ridiculousness of racism in the most simple way
I advise everyone, black and white, to steer clear of cops. In my experience, I’ve noted that many police officers take an easy road to solving crimes which is more likely to lead to a quick closing of a case rather than any type of “justice.” (if anything, this is more about money than it is about color, imo).
This shortcut justice detrimental to all races. If everyone worked together to fix the social injustices occurring at the courthouses daily, we might get closer to a peaceful and cohesive society.
PS Brahms, even if no stockbroker fires Uzi’s out of windows, what Wall Street has done is criminal. (Selling sh!t mortgage backs securities, encouraging predatory lending, fraudulent foreclosures, and MERS faulty record-keeping) White collar crime is worse than violent crime because it generally causes the poverty which causes the violent crime. You can say it’s a choice but brokers have more of a choice not to commit their crimes. Brokers not stuck in a cycle of poverty are not consistently pushed back down whilst trying to climb out.
In poorer neighborhoods with crappy schools the opportunities are much less, and when children are born into this they must spend much of their time concerned with survival (for example: your dad is gone, your mom’s at work, you have to watch your sister and take the laundry to the laundry-mat: school isn’t number one on that kids mind. Getting through the day is.)
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To Franklin:
Why I think the “no snitching rule” is not widespread among Black people.
In response to Franklin who asked for a link demonstrating that Blacks are more likely to report crime than Whites:
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/ascii/rcp00.txt
“Race of victim Overall violence against black victims (49%)
was reported at a significantly higher percentage than
violence against white victims (42%) and at a somewhat
higher percentage than violence against Asian victims (40%).
Serious violent crime and aggravated assault against
blacks was reported in higher percentages than
comparable crimes against whites. Regardless of the type
of victimization, apparent differences in reporting
percentages among American Indians and all other racial
groups were not significant.”
So the report does not come out explicitly and say that black people reported crime at a higher rate than whites but I would say it is highly accurate inference given that the most likely people to call the police when there has been a black victim would also be black.
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To Bulanik:
Odd, that one who will trawl the net looking for the exceptional and little-known in attempts to show god know what, cannot even trace his own questions, by himself, on this blog-site!
Ummm noo.. it was your question.. not mine. You wanted me to answer a question you had posed on another thread but chose not link to the question nor to restate it.. but just said go look for it.
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While looking for an answer to Franklin’s question I found this:
Arrest-Related Deaths, 2003-2009 – Statistical Tables
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=2228
Here’s the PDF:
Click to access ard0309st.pdf
The data could be incomplete and/or tainted but FWIW here are some of the figures:
From table 5:
Percentage and numbers of police homicides by arrestees’ race in the 6 year period:
White, non-Hispanic – 41.7% 1,233
Black, non-Hispanic – 31.7% 937
Hispanic – 20% 599
Other – 3.6% 107
Unknown – 2.7% 82
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Can I ask:
Why is every single all black neighborhood bad inane cities, like St Louis, Jefferson City, Springfield ALL Missouri? This is pretty much the same across the whole country. We have lots of races in Mo but Afircans ALWAYS causes the hate drama.
Why is it that you always see black women on local news crying about the crime in their neighborhoods, when it’s their own people’s doin it? So the “poleeece” patrol and BABY SIT. And if the police step up patrols, the heathen Africans take pot shots at them at night as they drive by? SO WHAT GIVES?
We have Germans, Laotions, Chinese, Japanese, Itailians, all kinds her. Yet the Africans act like absolute heathens, killing themselves and each other…
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@Shania Stallone
First, not every “black neighborhood” is bad and crime-ridden. Poor, urban black neighborhoods often have higher crime rates, but what about rich black neighborhoods? What about poor, rural black communities? I blame the media for your ignorance, but yes, there are upper middle class and wealthy black communities throughout America that have low crime rates.
Here are a few majority black, wealthy, relatively LOW-crime communities in urban/suburban America: In LA: View Park-Windsor Hills, Ladera Heights
NYC: Rosedale, Springfield Gardens, Laurelton
DC area: Hillcrest, Penn Branch, Dupont Park, Crestwood, Shepherd Park, Bowie, Fairwood, Accokeek, Glenn Dale, Brandywine, Clinton, Waldorf, St. Charles, Rosaryville, etc
Atlanta area: Cascade Heights, Conyers, Stone Mtn
I can go on and on….and that doesn’t count the many rural, majority-black communities which have low crime rates.
US DOJ stats say 69% of crime is committed by “whites” in America and most whites are killed by other whites, and given the two maniacal white terrorists who killed 7 innocent worshippers in a Wisconsin mosque, 12 innocent people in a movie theater, be careful who you call heathens!
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@ Shania
I agree with resjan. The trouble with mile-high statistics is they make all black neighbourhoods seem the same and they are NOT the same. There are huge differences.
And if you are going to get your picture of blacks from television you will NEVER get a true picture.
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@Shania Stallone and
@abagond
Here is a good NYT article entitled, “Black Incomes Surpass Whites in Queens”
with a caption of a black boy walking on a street of single-family homes and well-manicured longs encaptioned, “The Cambria Heights neighborhood in Queens, a county that belies the ‘STEREOTYPE of blacks living in dangerous, concentrated, poor, slum, urban neighborhoods,’ one policy expert says. ”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/nyregion/01census.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&ei=5090&en=2ef39d445a4d36da&ex=1317355200&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
The article will give Shania some insight on more well-to-do, safe black communities in the biggest city in America.
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^^ Thank you. I used to live not far from Cambria Heights.
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@ Shania
One thing you should understand is that, because of racial segregation in housing and social life in America, most white people hardly ever even SEE black middle-class neighbourhoods. And since most are quiet there is no reason for them to make the news.
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Wow. Thank you for this. I haven’t read through the comments, but I enjoyed the post itself.
I came upon it while on a Google search for links to refute statements borne from the very tactics you describe, used by some non-Hispanic White folks in the Orange County Register comments section — in response to a newspaper piece on “OC’s white supremacy legacy.”
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Lol, “emotional negro thinking”! It’s true; that’s how most White Americans/Europeans think, but the way you put it was just too funny. I’m definitely going to start saying that. Had my laugh for today.
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Hey abagond will you change the wording where you said especially good for rape I know you didn’t mean it in that context but it threw me out of what you were talking about.
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But yes alot of white people don’t believe statistics that prove your most likely to be victimized by your own race. Also it must be said wall street favors rich over poor whatever color the poor may be.
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@ Realityisabitch
I deleted the comment you plagiarized from the Manhattan Institute.
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Tim Wise has interesting commentary about the “crime statistics” argument.
http://www.timwise.org/2013/08/race-crime-and-statistical-malpractice-how-the-right-manipulates-white-fear-with-bogus-data/
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@abagond (blog post): “the great thing about statistics is that they seem so objective and yet get rid of all the context: the drug trade, racist policemen and judges, bad policing, racial profiling, poverty, etc.”
Which makes me wonder: what happens if one were to do a statistical investigation which _corrected_ for all those factors? My bet is it would then show no true difference between blacks and whites in this regard, because no races are “inherently bad”, contrary to what racists may think.
But still, it’d be an interesting project, and I’d be curious if anyone has done anything like this, or tried to. Have they? How much such correction can be done, anyways, given the extent to which these problems pervade the society?
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