You too can look at black crime just like a white racist. Just follow my seven easy steps:
- Trust the news to give you a balanced picture. If most men arrested on the evening news are black, then blacks commit the most crimes! See how simple that is? If most of the black criminals on the news are psychopathic killers and not two-bit robbers, then that is because most black criminals are psychopathic killers and not two-bit robbers. No need to think. Just trust the good white people at the news room to get it right. Unlike black people, their judgement is not clouded by race.
- Attribution error: When white people do something bad it is due to circumstances, a bad upbringing, a psychological disorder or something. Because, apart from a few bad apples, white people are Basically Good. Everyone knows it. But when black people do something bad it is because they were born that way. They try to put up this front of being good but given the right circumstances their true nature comes out. Sad but true.
- Know your stereotypes! Stereotypes come from hundreds of years of white insight into the true nature of black people. The important stereotype here is the Black Brute: blacks were all savages till white people saved them and brought them to America. Whites taught them civilization, but deep down they are still savages. All those black criminal psychopaths on the evening news prove it! And, as if that was not bad enough:
- Black people want revenge! They are still whining about slavery over a hundred years later! They will not get over it and move on like whites have. They are just bursting with hatred for white people. They are just waiting for a chance to get back at them. Most black-on-white crimes are, truth be told, hate crimes.
- Know what Jesse Jackson said! No need to listen to all those whining speeches of his. Just remember the only reasonable thing he ever said:
There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.
See? And he is black! So how can it be racist to profile blacks and be afraid of them?
- Know the tell-tale signs: Black criminals dress like black people! Like wearing hoodies or wearing their pants hanging down. When whites dress that way it is for fashion or comfort. When blacks do it it means they are a criminal or want to be one. Know the difference!
- Do not read the FBI or DOJ numbers for yourself. Trust the experts at American Renaissance or Stormfront to twist the numbers for you. If someone points out how twisted those numbers are, just find some other source or some other way to twist them. Or just repeat them! After all, everyone knows blacks are criminal by nature. The numbers prove it!
See also:
Abagond 
You can even bring this list down to one point: don’t be critical. Wether you have blind faith in the news you’re given or you trust stereotypes, to be racist actually means a lack of critical thought.
Way back in time you could have been a critical thinker and believe in racism. The thinking about natural order and taxonomy had as a logical outcome the thinking about different human races. The science of genetics has proven different races a backward idea, so instead of being a critical nowadays you’re just a dumbass.
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Great post, but I think you forgot one:
8) Say whatever racist garbage you want, but “prove” you’re not a racist with a quote from MLK-Jr. Bonus points if it’s from the “I Have A Dream” speech.
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… but how come most pedophiles are white? This is a mystery news can’t solve.
Not that people should trust anything they hear on the news.
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Help me out: Is there a good list of our examples of black folk claiming self defence and being tried for murder anyway
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LOL!
This pretty much describes most white Americans.
I’d like to add one more:
If you happen to meet another white person who doesn’t subscribe to this mindset, shun them, fear them, tell your kids to stay away from their kids, for they are a race traitor and are being brainwashed by some mystical black voodoo.
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“Trust the news to give you a balanced picture.”
You can’t do that. Just look at the Trayvon killing.
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Abagond,
# 5. might also include the folks with Prof Bell’s SUPER-STANDING status, ie Clarence, Elders, Sowell, Williams and the rest of the gang.
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It is amazing to me that anyone would want to date or marry these wicked people. They are truly demonic.
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#6 don’t forget these details as well: “if they wear cornrows, dreadlocks, or do a black handshake or terrorist fist pump that is a sign that a crime is getting ready to occur”
*eye roll*
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It is ignorant to believe that other races can be racist too? Why is it that I in society before I speak of something about a black individual I have to declare that I am not racist before I do? Why is it that I must fear and watch my tongue in case of back lash. There has been hundreds of cases of black on white crime that was much more heinous. Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian who were beaten and raped, by 5 black people, the man was beatend, raped, may have had his penis cut off, and then burned and shot infront of the girl friend.
The girl friend was tied and raped for at the minimum of two days, before she was dismembered and put into the trash can in the kitchen. There was no national media coverage, there was not even a local coverage, why? because it wold cast a bad look on the black communities because these two who were killed were white of course.
how ever Duke University rape case, in which three white students were charged with raping a black stripper at a party in March, 2006. All the charges against the students were eventually dropped but the case generated a lot of visibility and controversy along racial lines.
In short if you do not believe in racism based murders against whites on black, than you are a sick individual and the reason why white people afraid to go out at night.
Source: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/christopher-channon.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom
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#2 A perfect example of this is Staff Sgt. Robert Bales. The guy murders 17 Afghans-mostly women and children- sleeping in their homes in cold blood. I thought it was interesting that the media didn’t rush to make any judgements and instead speculated as to what factors could have led him to commit these murders. His character was not immediately assailed or smeared – not even when info surfaced about his financial misdeeds were made public. Further still, his wife declared he was innocent when interviewed for CNN.
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What is the message you are trying to convey with this latest post Abagond? Are you saying that whites and blacks commit violent crime at the same per capita rate? That interracial crime is perfectly matched percentage wise? Ie., blacks attack whites at the same percentage as whites attack blacks?
I read the FBI statistics and I know that none of that is true.
I’m sorry that reality isn’t confirming your personal worldview.
The only thing you need to be talking about is how black people can become productive members of society. Start helping your people because whites are getting a little tired of all the gratification.
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@TheFirebrand – that is always the case when a White person, especially a woman, commits a crime. There is first a search for some mental illness, past traumatic experience, recent negative life situation, etc.to explain why they committed their crime. It is believed that committing crimes goes against a White person’s normally good nature. Even though they, just as any other race, commit multiple crimes daily. There are more reported serial killers and pedophiles amongst Whites, yet Whites are NOT stereotyped as naturally serial killers or pedophiles.
When a Black person commits a heinous crime, no one looks for a reason that might have led to that crime. The fact is that they are Black and that’s what Black people do…commit crimes, petty or savage or in between. That is also why when a Black person is a victim of murder or assault by Whites or policemen, it is automatically assumed by racists that he/she must have done something to deserve being victimized. It’s like being innocent and Black is an oxymoron to racists. BTW, that is exactly what was said(tweeted) by a young White person when they found out that a beloved character in The Hunger Games was Black instead of White.
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@ Brahms,
That is quite an emotional response that you are bringing. A race realist guided by emotion? What heresy to the cult of the bell curve!
You make ridiculous claims and conclusions and then posit that your opinions should be inscrutable (e.g. Blacks are inherently criminal; genetically inferior, etc.”)
Your opinons dont hold up to scrutiny and more importantly to actual robust science conducted by Alan Sroufe and the effects of low socio-economic status, maternal history of care, and maternal stresses on mothers of all ethnicities and their child’s psychological well-being (to a much stronger extent than genetic temperamental factors which were survey of all populations prior to testing of their psychopathological outcomes).
If you do not have support of the system whether you are Black or White you are setting them up to fail. Your continued emphasis on Blacks genetic inferiority is a less than a veiled attempt to further marginalize and demoralize Black people because you hate them .
Your assigned homework – stop reading and watching propaganda and be nice with Black people in your interactions with them.
This might just allow you to unentrench yourself from infantile white supremacist doctrine. Something fundamentally bankrupt in logic.
How to intercede in this dysfunctionality. Back to university work! =)
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@TheFirebrand
A perfect example of this is Staff Sgt. Robert Bales.
No, he isn’t a good example. He had served several tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan and had served admirably. It was known he had an injury, a head injury, I believe. The shootings are typical of a soldier that goes bonkers – they just go off one day and shoot a multitude of people, so for the media to wonder if this is what happened with Bales is legit.
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@JT
Your opinons dont hold up to scrutiny and more importantly to actual robust science conducted by Alan Sroufe and the effects of low socio-economic status, maternal history of care, and maternal stresses on mothers of all ethnicities and their child’s psychological well-being
How are the black women in a low socio-economic status to begin with? Because their biology affects their ability, so they are prone to be in a low SES. These low SES black women then raise, in a low SES environment, kids who have a greater chance of being low SES because of both environment & biology. This is “feedback”, an engineering term, that also applies to sociological issues.
You mentioned “maternal stresses on mothers of all ethnicities”. Well, then this applies to all mothers and there is no additional stress on black women.
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@ JT
Please do not indulge Bliff. He is here for amusement.
If anyone in America has “pulled themselves up by their bootstraps”, it’s people of colour. And we have the history to prove it.
Yesterday, Abagond stated that Bliff has willful ignorance.
I wholeheartedly agree.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
How long does it take for centuries of legal inequality, political walling out, economic underclass relegation, attempts at cultural genocide, and social devestation to be repaired. (Hint: this is a trick question).
You don’t have the education to understand what the answer to this question is. But intergenerational inheritance of highly disfavorable conditions is bound to have profoundly detrimental effects.
And yet we have Black president and a number of other profoundly accomplished theorists, anthropologists, scientists, lawyers, athletes, politicians and entertainers who have transcended this dyke.
All things being held equal, Blacks have shown through their triumphant history that they are empirically superior to whites.
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It’s always funny to read excuses by racist whites about the criminality of blacks when on a whole, whites commit more crimes, for longer periods of time, without being caught or suspected.
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@JT
“transcended this dyke. ” And what is her name???
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@Bulanik
I’d really like some clarity on this, but in the meanwhile, what are we to make of this?
The usual suspects: denial, repression and downright nastiness….
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@ Bulanik and Demerera
Remember folks, when whites do something bad, it’s because of a mental defect, bad upbringing or “aliens made me do it”.
When blacks do bad things, we’re just born that way.
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“Attribution error:”
Has anyone else noticed how the media has already begun to try to find out ‘what would cause’ the soldier who killed 17 people in Afghanistan to do it. They’re talking about him being injured in Iraq, that he saw a friend get injured a day before the murders, etc. Plus all of his friends since high school have been interviewed and have all said that this is not the person they knew.
The media is trying to find any reason possible, other than the guy is a mass murderer, to justify why he did killed those women and children.
If he were Black the story would have been that he was just a murderer, period.
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@truthbetold
Remember folks, when whites do something bad, it’s because of a mental defect, bad upbringing or “aliens made me do it”.
When blacks do bad things, we’re just born that way.
Ah, is that how it goes 😉
See, there are many whites on here who prophess to ‘know’ the content of all black characters the worldover it seems, without having set foot outside their own locality – go figure!!!!
i would be intrigued to see whether they are as quick and judgemental to give the same character assassination to white people who indulge in these disgusting things. I’m sure there is at least 1 who will come back and try to justify these things and as you say truth, attribute them to something that is outside ‘normal’ constraints of control.
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@Bulanik
I can’t understand how come white men are so inclined to molest children – of all races….? It defies understanding.
Even at 14, 15, 16 people refuse to acknowledge that whilst a girl may ‘look’ and seemingly ‘act’ mature, nevertheless she is still an adolescent and is stll ‘developing’ mentally. Men who approach these girls will feign ignorance or outrage when people express negative feelings about this but it is discomfiting to witness and IMO makes you wonder what else that individual is capable of.
Do you recall Mandy Smith who had a ‘relationship’ then got married to Rolling Stone Bill Wyman? She was only a few years older than me and my peers were horrified at this:-
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189753/If-happened-Bill-jail-Mandy-Smith-Rolling-Stone-seduced-her.html)
Paedophilia was always a crime even in the 80’s wasnt it? Why was this allowed to go on unchallenged? Was it because he was rich/white/famous?
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Abagond,
It’s funny you wrote that because my latest post goes along the lines of this one:
http://brothawolf.wordpress.com/2012/04/04/the-wrong-source/
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@commentarybyvalentina
“Attribution error:”
Has anyone else noticed how the media has already begun to try to find out ‘what would cause’ the soldier who killed 17 people in Afghanistan to do it. They’re talking about him being injured in Iraq, that he saw a friend get injured a day before the murders, etc. Plus all of his friends since high school have been interviewed and have all said that this is not the person they knew.
The media is trying to find any reason possible, other than the guy is a mass murderer, to justify why he did killed those women and children.
If he were Black the story would have been that he was just a murderer, period.
That’s it, exactly. Then again, it’s not surprising how most of the news media covering this story is owned and operated by white males.
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Wow.
So since “crime reports” prove that all blacks are inherently criminal, I”m going to say that all whites are pedophiles. They’re all pedophiles, cannibals and serial killers. And since the only major attacks on American soil were committed by white people (before Sept. 11th) they’re terrorists too! Anti-American terrorists! They’re clearly the reason I am afraid to go out at night! Oh my gosh! Forget all of the normal, decent white people in the world, I’m just going to pretend they don’t exist because they don’t fit my limited, uninformed, biased view of the world!
Seriously now, anyone who says that it’s up to black people to prove themselves to white people is just ridiculous. Black people have been fighting for this country even before they had the right to freaking vote, even when it wasn’t convenient to label them as “criminals” in an attempt to control them. Black people have been making businesses, Black Wall Streets, entertainment, technology, and jobs for this country since they were freed. It’s not up to them to prove their worth to some people who’s only reading comprehension comes from reading Stormfront to sate their failing egos.
It’s up to white people to prove THEIR worth. Why are THEY supposed to be treated as better, superior, more truthful, or more individual when they sure as hell haven’t worked harder than every non-white immigrant or ex-slave in this country than it’s formation?
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@Brahms
The only thing you need to be talking about is how black people can become productive members of society. Start helping your people because whites are getting a little tired of all the gratification.
It’s amazing how you can eat since you’re so full of shit.
Black people have been trying to become productive members of society against the odds, and some have achieved their goals.
Plus, black people are helping black people. There are brothers and sisters actually doing the damn thing and are taking it upon themselves to correct the ills society, in large part, handed to them.
Last, don’t tell Abagond or any other person what you wouldn’t do yourself. Also, stop thinking that white people deserve all or at least a sizable fraction of credit because most of you would not help a black person unless you get something in return to satisfy your whiteness, and that’s real.
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@ brothawolf,
I come from a military family, who’s been in a lot of conflicts. My own father was in for the majority of my life.
That soldier does’t deserve to wear a uniform. He’s an insult to the uniform, and if he was black (or especially if he were middle eastern) there would be a big difference in how that whole situation was viewed. Maybe if white people stopped making excuses for every evil thing one of them did, people wouldn’t be so quick to see them as the racist pricks they can be.
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Abagond,
How about this one? Read the Color of Crime, the Jared Taylor version. This is proof that black people are more likely to commit more crimes than whites. They are also more likely to commit more crimes against whites than the other way around, and their is proof that more hate crimes are committed by blacks against whites.
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Ace,
It’s screwed up that white people make excuses for their dysfunctional behavior, but black people are not “allowed” to explain our problems or else that would be considered whining.
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@ brothawolf
They need that illusion like we need air.
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I do notice that whenever a black person commits a crime, the first thing you see is his/her face everywhere. Of course, if you see it often enough, you’re liable to think black people are criminals. There is an unfairness there. What’s good for the goose should also be good for the gander, but it’s not so.
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Oops, I was referring to the media and the unfair portrayal of black people..
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leigh204
It’s been written that chances increase that a mugshot of the suspect will be shown if that person is black. Plus, it mentions that they will also show black suspects restrained by cops and in chains, and they focus more on cases where the victims are white and the suspects are black.
There was a study done by the Heinz Endowment that studied how black men are portrayed in the Pittsburgh news:
http://www.heinz.org/mobile/secondary.aspx?SectionID=6&ParentID=251&SubID=255&RootID=6
I hope Abagond does a post on this someday. In the meantime I wrote a response:
http://brothawolf.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/brothas-in-the-news/
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@Everyone
Did Bliff really cosign a mass murderer ?…or am I losing my mind?
“No, he isn’t a good example. He had served several tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan and had served admirably. It was known he had an injury, a head injury, I believe. The shootings are typical of a soldier that goes bonkers – they just go off one day and shoot a multitude of people, so for the media to wonder if this is what happened with Bales is legit.”
Bales is a perfect example as I said and precisely for the reason expanded upon by Abagond.
Of all the soldiers who have done multiple tours, who may have psychological trauma, does not mean they will just lose it like Bales did. But hey, if you can live with the fact you’d easily and uncritically align yourself with this man then I have no more words for you.
Your manner offends.
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@ Firebrand
No, you’re fine.
Bliff is our useful idiot.
Plus he validates every suspicion I’ve EVER had about white America.
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I do notice that whenever a black person commits a crime, the first thing you see is his/her face everywhere.
Not true at all. Many editors openly admit to censoring the race in many instances in order not to contribute to stereotypes. Even if there are more stories of black crime in the news its still underplayed compared to the amount of crime black criminals commit.
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Not true at all. Many editors openly admit to censoring the race in many instances in order not to contribute to stereotypes.
Who are these editors that you speak of? They must be in the teeny tiny minority then…
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@firebrand
I thought it was interesting that the media didn’t rush to make any judgements and instead speculated as to what factors could have led him to commit these murde
I think Bales is being downplayed, as well. But not for the reasons you think. The MSM is overwhelmingly liberal democrat. If Bush were in office they would be emphasizing Bales in order to say, “See! This is what Bush’s war has caused!” But Obama is in office and the MSM doesn’t want to focus on it because it would remind everyone that Obama hasn’t withdrawn the troops.
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demerera
Who are these editors that you speak of? They must be in the teeny tiny minority then…
For years, “COPS” was the show most accused for having emphasizing black crime. But if you watch the video you can hear its creator admitting that he’s deliberately doing the opposite.
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I once heard someone remark that blacks committed 90% of the crime in the U.S. WTF? That’s not even physically possible since we only constitute about 15% of the population. But he was insistent.
One has to wonder where they get this information. As Abagond indicated above, official crime statistics don’t bear it out, yet this kind of thing is repeated ad nauseum. I suppose if you say it long enough and loud enough, it becomes some sort of truth. Except, not.
Furthermore, if blacks are inherently criminal, then how do they account for all the instances of crime committed by whites? I mean, if it’s in our DNA and we’re less intelligent and lazy and more prone to violence because we’re all bastard children from the ghetto with a zillion half brothers and sisters who spring from loud, obese, welfare cheat mothers and brutish, yet nonexistent fathers, which came about because we were savages in Africa and slaves in the U.S., but then rescued and freed by the Great White Savior, as a result of our cranial capacity being too limited to have done it ourselves, then what possibly induces someone without that background — without those “pathologies” — to commit a criminal act?
What makes those bootstrapping, hard working, disciplined, “basically good,” “default,” children from nuclear families do things like murder, rape, aggravated assault, arson, burglary, larceny, fraud, vandalism, drug and alcohol related abuses, offenses against the family and children (an actual FBI category), embezzlement, etc.? Because DOJ and FBI reports indicate that about 70% of that activity can be traced to whites. Why would they do such things when they have so much going for them. I mean, they created civilization and language and history and all that is wonderful in the world. Their moms are slim and beautiful and gracious and their dads are kind and supportive and monied. Their communities are pristine and functional. And their leaders…their “leaders” are principled, intelligent, selfless dignitaries. And yet, there’s still a criminality there. How can that be?
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saadiyah
There are more reported serial killers and pedophiles amongst Whites, yet Whites are NOT stereotyped as naturally serial killers or pedophiles.
The FBI debunks the serial killer myth in the discussion of “Base Rates” from…
FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin, October 2006, Volume 76, Number 10. Page 14.
Base Rates
A lack of understanding of base rates can lead to misinterpreting research fi ndings and forensic results.4 Consider the oft-quoted fact, “Serial killers are usually white males.” While technically correct, at least for the United States, this statement is incomplete. To understand it properly, the relevant base rates also must be considered. Three different studies of serial murderers found black offender proportions of 16, 20, and 20 percent, and female offender proportions of 9, 10, and 16 percent. According to the 2000 census, the U.S. population is 75 percent white and 49 percent male. So, while disproportionately male, the only reason most serial killers in the United States are white is because most of the population is white. More important, all else being equal, serial killers are less likely to be white in predominantly black or Hispanic areas.
Robert Lindsay similarly debunks the pedophile myth on his blog.
Myth: Whites Are More Likely to be Pedophiles and Child Molesters
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grin and bear it
I once heard someone remark that blacks committed 90% of the crime in the U.S. WTF?
Either you misquoted that person or they misquoted the original statistic. The actual quote is that blacks commit 90% of the INTERRACIAL crime in the US. In the most recent figures. blacks only committed 83% of the INTERRACIAL crime in the US.
do things like murder, rape, aggravated assault, arson, burglary, larceny, fraud, vandalism, drug and alcohol related abuses, offenses against the family and children (an actual FBI category), embezzlement, etc.? Because DOJ and FBI reports indicate that about 70% of that activity can be traced to whites.
Not true. The DOJ and FBI reports don’t say 70% of those crimes are committed by whites.
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I believe the word I phrasing I used was “about 70%.” And now I’ll have to ask which reports you’re referring to because the ones at http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr seem to indicate otherwise. Here’s an encapsulation:
% W % B
Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter 49.3 48.7
Forcible rape 65.7 31.8
Aggravated assault 63.7 33.5
Burglary 67.4 30.8
Larceny-theft 68.9 28.3
Motor vehicle theft 63.3 34.0
Arson 75.2 22.6
Other Violent crime 59.3 38.1
Property crime 68.4 28.9
Other assaults 65.6 31.7
Forgery and counterfeiting 66.4 32.0
Fraud 66.0 32.2
Embezzlement 66.3 31.2
Stolen property: buy, rec, pos 65.2 33.0
Vandalism 73.7 23.5
Weapons; carrying, possessing, etc. 58.2 40.1
Prostitution and commercialized vice 54.3 42.4
Sex offenses 73.8 23.5
Drug abuse violations 66.6 31.8
Offenses against family and children 66.3 31.2
Driving under the influence 85.7 11.5
Liquor laws 83.1 12.0
Drunkenness 82.2 15.2
Disorderly conduct 63.6 33.9
Vagrancy 56.9 40.1
All other offenses (except traffic) 66.2 31.0
Suspicion 64.5 34.3
Average 66.88 29.45
Total Arrests 10,177,907
White 7,066,154
Black 2,846,862
7 million of 10 million is 70%
Source U. S. Department of Justice, Universal Crime Reports, 2010, Table 43
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43
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Oh, and by the way, destructure, thank you for correcting me about what I know I heard. I mean, I was there, and you weren’t, but somehow you have such superior hearing and intellect that you know precisely what some guy said directly to me. Who knew you had psychic abilities as well as so many other…talents.
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JT
“intergenerational inheritance of highly disfavorable conditions ”
I love it.
Is that anything like morons giving birth to morons? No? Oh I see, only the unfavorable conditions are passed on, like reading-phobia. Please understand, this happens on the white side too but blacks have shown a superior relish for dysgenics.
Imagine if all white trailer trash suddenly increased their birth rate by 200% – this is what has happened to the black community. Its happening in all communities in the West – is that racist of me?
Professor GT, take note of the definition sir,
Dysgenics (also known as cacogenics) is the study of factors producing the accumulation and perpetuation of defective or disadvantageous genes and traits in offspring of a particular population or species.
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grin and bear it
Oh, and by the way, destructure, thank you for correcting me about what I know I heard. I mean, I was there, and you weren’t, but somehow you have such superior hearing and intellect that you know precisely what some guy said directly to me. Who knew you had psychic abilities as well as so many other…talents.
I never said you misheard it. I said “Either you misquoted that person or they misquoted the original statistic.” But the fact you misread my comment does suggest you misunderstood that person as well.
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Here you go black-centrists: a black man shoots a mentally retarded white man who was walking with his companion dog. The black man believed the leash was a pipe. The mentally retarded man is dead. NOW LISTEN TO THIS PART:
THE BLACK MAN WAS NOT ARRESTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/crime/taco-bell-shooting-victim-was-holding-leash-not-weapon-4-4-2012
Where is the national media coverage? Where are the white rallies? Where’s David Duke? I can’t wait for the BS double-standard from the black-centrists on this one.
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The black man believed the leash was a pipe.
Yeah. I always put my dog on a pipe when I take it for a walk.
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destructure,
How about this:
This is one part of the movie “Bowling for Columbine”: (Skip to 8:43 if you want to go listen to the interview with a former Cops producer) However, this illustrates how the news help create and maintain the racial bias against blacks.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFzkV9D9Dt0&context=C46f9e48ADvjVQa1PpcFOKdQ_z1e-t3BRCM5iVBmg69-jrKRnn4Q4=)
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When I was growing up in my black community (sorry if you guys are tired of hearing my stories) I knew a retarded black guy. He was probably 20 or so and would hang around the neighborhood acting like a kid. One day he got beat-up by a black guy – I was shocked that a person would beat up a mentally retarded person. Back then I didn’t understand the extent to which a large sub-population of blacks have an empathy deficit for lesser humans and animals – knock out game, flash mobs, dog fighting, pit bulls walked on heavy chains, etc.. Took two years in the black-run Caribbean to realize how common this trait is.
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sorry if you guys are tired of hearing my stories
I’m sorry to! However I do enjoy a good story. Carry on!
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@brothawolf:
Yes, I’ve seen what you’ve mentioned in the news time and time again. How often do you see that with white suspects? Not as often. Talk about a blatant media bias.
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Brahms,
Here you go black-centrists: a black man shoots a mentally retarded white man who was walking with his companion dog. The black man believed the leash was a pipe. The mentally retarded man is dead. NOW LISTEN TO THIS PART:
THE BLACK MAN WAS NOT ARRESTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/crime/taco-bell-shooting-victim-was-holding-leash-not-weapon-4-4-2012
Where is the national media coverage? Where are the white rallies? Where’s David Duke? I can’t wait for the BS double-standard from the black-centrists on this one.
So now you want to get hyped up because you’re pissed that a no-good black man, in your mind you’re probably calling him the n-word, took away a precious white life that didn’t deserve it, but recently you had the audacity to tell us we shouldn’t be upset when a white man killed an unarmed black boy. How very hypocritical of you.
Why don’t you start an all-white rally and call David Duke if you’re so hung up on this? But while you’re at it, why don’t you start rallies and meetings over the following:
http://www.kptv.com/story/17325841/corvallis-man-accused-of-sexually-abusing-boy-13
http://www.kptv.com/story/17326086/man-pleads-guilty-in-prolific-child-porn-case
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/josh-powell-perfect-crime_n_1406657.html?ref=crime
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/matthew-puccio-confesses_n_1406610.html?ref=topbar
And this isn’t very popular online, but some blog sites have caught wind of this story. I wonder why:
http://zuri1.com/video-8th-grader-shot-his-mother-dead-after-trying-to-rape-her/
And these are just a few stories of white people raping and killing each other? Why not have an outcry for them? Is it because they’re white? Is it because you can’t fathom the fact that white people are capable of committing violence against their own people? Whatever the case, stop whining.
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Brahms,
Seriously. What good are you doing trying to paint black people as degenerates?
Here’s the reality, if you can do that to us, we can turn around and do the same to your people. So, deal with it.
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@ Brahms
Really? Blacks have am empathy deficient? How many continents have we stolen? How many people have we committed genocide against across the globe? How many laws have we enacted to make sure that white people stay at the bottom of the socio economic ladder? How many whites have Blacks lynched?
I’m with Mira. Why don’t whites ever address their pedophilia problem? Oh, because they’re too busy pointing the finger at anything that doesn’t have recessive genetics.
LOL Some of the people on this blog are pure entertainment. Love pointing out splinters in other peoples eye when they have a damn PLANK in their own. 😛
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leigh,
And it’s like I always say, white people don’t have that anxiety POC feel when they hear about a crime. That anxiety is worrying whether the suspect(s) are the same color hearing about the crime. White people are privileged not to worry about who the suspect’s color is because they were born into a society where whiteness means individualism whereas blackness, for example, is seen through a collectivist view.
This is why I stay away from the news. This is why that picture above sickens me, no offense to you Abagond. And this is why I’m sick and tired of hearing Brahms trying to make the entire black community be held accountable for the crimes a few fools, while they can’t even fathom taking responsibility for what their ancestors have done.
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To Bulanik:
Can you imagine if the publicized cases of child sex abuse, fathers raping their daughters, imprisoning and these daughters and bearing their children (such as the recent case in Germany) had been attributed to black men, what conclusion would have been drawn about ALL black men?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,551246,00.html
Well ..you don’t have to imagine it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Wesson
I doubt many people have heard of Marcus Wesson.
“Marcus Delon Wesson (born August 22, 1946) is a man convicted of nine counts of first-degree murder and 14 sex crimes, including the rape and molestation of his underage daughters. His victims were his own children, fathered by incestuous relationships with his daughters and nieces, as well as the children by his wife. He has been described as Fresno’s worst mass murderer.”
Messed up to be sure.. but uncommon with Black men as with White men. By the way, the case you cited was in Austria not Germany.
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leigh
“Yes, I’ve seen what you’ve mentioned in the news time and time again. How often do you see that with white suspects? Not as often. Talk about a blatant media bias.”
On June 6, 2007 the LA Times made this official statement. “Racial information was once routinely included in news stories about crimes, but in recent decades, newspapers and other media outlets stopped mentioning suspects’ or victims’ race or ethnicity because of public criticism. Newspapers came to embrace the idea that such information is irrelevant to the reporting of crimes, and may unfairly stigmatize racial groups.”
Perhaps they don’t want to unfairly stigmatize whites – racist media at it again.
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Darqbeauty,
I really hope Abagond lets my comment to Brahms pass so I can illustrate how his anger is half-assed.
It’s like I said, white people like Brahms are only concerned about white victims when the suspect is black, but won’t do a damn thing if the suspect is white.
However, blacks, browns, Asians, and Native Americans care no matter what the color of the perpetrators are.
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darqbeauty
“I’m with Mira. Why don’t whites ever address their pedophilia problem? ”
Start thinking for yourself or maybe reading. The link was given a few responses up – blacks are overrepresented among child molesters, whites are underrepresented.
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/myth-whites-are-more-likely-to-be-pedophiles-and-child-molesters/
“How many continents have we stolen? How many people have we committed genocide against across the globe? How many laws have we enacted to make sure that white people stay at the bottom of the socio economic ladder? How many whites have Blacks lynched?”
You are too easy. AFRICA?????
Tutsis-Hutus, necklacing, South Africa and Zimbabwe white genocide.
“How many laws have we enacted to make sure that white people stay at the bottom of the socio economic ladder? ”
Government sanctioned apportionment of white farmland – were you not aware of that?
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Brahms,
On June 6, 2007 the LA Times made this official statement. “Racial information was once routinely included in news stories about crimes, but in recent decades, newspapers and other media outlets stopped mentioning suspects’ or victims’ race or ethnicity because of public criticism. Newspapers came to embrace the idea that such information is irrelevant to the reporting of crimes, and may unfairly stigmatize racial groups.
Now, you’re almost running on empty.
That may be true in the LA Times, but the mention of race is still a news report standard in assault, sexual assault, rape, robbery, and murder if the suspects are identified. If the suspect is black, he will be described as black. If the suspect is white, he will be described as white. And so on.
Sometimes it doesn’t matter if they mention race or not, because if they look at mugshots or police sketches, that says it all.
Sometimes you can tell by the name. Although, it will lead to misconception from time to time.
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“It’s like I said, white people like Brahms are only concerned about white victims when the suspect is black, but won’t do a damn thing if the suspect is white.”
hypocrite
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@ brothawolf
People of Color have empathy. I have often wondered if it was our downfall, considering the double speak, hatred and underhanded tactics that racist whites have employed over the centuries. Blacks were naive enough to believe that when they sold their own into slavery, it would be the Biblical slavery everyone was used to. Not the brutal chattel horror it was. Blacks did not murder white families in their beds, despite having their own families ripped from them time after time. Native Americans were kind enough help them out when they got here. The Meso Americans treated them like gods. The Indians opened them with welcome arms and became victims. This is a common and running theme when it comes to them interacting with people of color. I have often wondered who they would point the finger at if there were no people of color around…then I remember. All I have to do is pick a history book on Europe and the answer is staring me in my face. Rampant class castes, war mongering, religious persecution, child labor and soldiering, gender inequality ect.
And. Think about this. The people who has most VEHEMENTLY protested their presence from the beginning have been the Chinese. And look where they are now. Just some random thoughts.
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@ brothawolf:
I hear you loud and clear, bw. Like any POC, I feel a sense of dread when I watch the news about another POC committing a crime. It’s like this. You cross your fingers and PRAY the person who did the criminal act is not the same race. Soon after the VA Tech shooting in ’07, I was at a magazine kiosk and some white guy standing there with a newspaper in his hands and asks me why the Asian shooter murdered those students. I looked at him incredulously. I curtly responded, “Just because I happen to have an Asian face, somehow I know what goes on in this guy’s head?” That was a wtf moment.
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@ brothawolf
He’s “finding” his facts. We’re “looting” them. LOL! 😛
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To Mira:
but how come most pedophiles are white? This is a mystery news can’t solve…
Do you mean in the US or the world…? If the former the majority (one of the definitions of most in English) of the population is White. However there is basically no data to indicate that Whites are pedophiles at a higher rate than other populations and some data that indicates that Whites molest children at somewhat lower rates than other populations. Given the nature of the crime I would say it is almost impossible to know the real figures.
Various studies I have read indicate that Whites molest at a rate reflective of their population to somewhat less than their numbers in the population.
See page 8:
Click to access rsorp94.pdf
White population at the time of the above survey 80.1 %
Click to access cqc4.pdf
That said incarceration for a heavily under reported crime like child molestation is likely not accurate. Some surveys from 00s indicate:
Click to access CSA-FS20.pdf
“Race. The findings about race are also inconclusive. Several national studies have found that
black and white children experienced near-equal levels of sexual abuse [2, 4]. Other studies,
however, have found that found that both blacks and Latinos have an increased risk for sexual
victimization[6, 18]”
I searched for the actual papers that were cited in the document above but one would have to pay to get the data. These are surveys…. which have their errors… but one could argue that they are more accurate than citing actual incarceration rates. I would like to see the source data but I don’t want to pay for it.
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I also have to add about the recent shooting at a Christian university in Oakland, Califonia. One co-worker of mine remarked to me, “What’s up with Asians shooting up innocent people?” Seriously? I was gobsmacked.
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brothawolf
However, this illustrates how the news help create and maintain the racial bias against blacks.
I forwarded to the section you asked me to watch and it did no such thing. Blacks aren’t over reported as criminals. Blacks just commit a disproportionate share of crime.
Here’s the reality, if you can do that to us, we can turn around and do the same to your people. So, deal with it.
Well, if that’s not the pot calling the kettle black. Abagond and his acolytes spend a great deal of time trying to demonize whites. In just this thread alone there have been numerous false claims that whites have higher rates of serial murder, pedophilia, etc. I’ve presented documentation that whites have lower rates of those crimes. And, yet, right after I disproved the claim darq repeated it. And right after you complained brahms is trying to “paint blacks as degenerates” you turned right around and demanded whites take “responsibility for what their ancestors have done.” Your hypocrisy is self evident.
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@ leigh
When white people say to me, “Why do Black people do such and such?”
I answer, “I don’t know, but at next months super secret global negro meeting, I’ll address your question and see what the hive mind comes up with.”
Deadpan.
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“What’s up with Asians shooting up innocent people?” Seriously? I was gobsmacked.
After some of the posts you wrote on your blog you’ve got the nerve to be “gobsmacked”? Yeah, well tough sh**.
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Just for the record, most, if not all blacks on this site are back-centrists and by definition racists. I know that there are normal and good black people oot there – I’ve have more experience that most white people in that area.
My problem is what to do about the sect of blacks (most here fall in it) who will not respect even a non-racist white. The only answer I see is a split among blacks – you guys keep up the “white-racist society” stuff and the normal blacks can carry on. Whites have already made that split – I have never and will never associate with true racist whites; blacks need to think on that.
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@ darqbeauty:
lol! You know it never ceases to amaze me the incredibly ridiculous comments made by a lot of white people I’ve encountered throughout my life.
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Some people need to shut the fcuk up. lol!
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To Grin and Bear it:
I once heard someone remark that blacks committed 90% of the crime in the U.S. WTF? That’s not even physically possible since we only constitute about 15% of the population.
Blacks are 12.6% of the population and nothing I have read would indicate that Black people commit 90% of the crime in the US.
Blacks commit murder (mostly against other Blacks..) at a rate 7.15 times higher than Whites but since they are 12.6% of the population, the percentage of murders in the US committed by Black people is around 50%.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/tables/oracetab.cfm
Other data is harder to discern and is obtained through surveys of victims and police departments around the US.
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@ leigh,
I think that’s why PoC’s LOVED the “Sh*t White Girls Say to (Insert Minority Here)”. Because we’ve ALL had white people say some left field, brow raising, jaw dropping crap. Just the other day, while dining, we overheard this YOUNG white woman was talking about “orientals”. Like Asians people are effing rugs or vases or something. Me and my dinner companions just BARELY stifled our laughter. She was speaking so confidently and with such condescension. And you KNOW what she ended the conversation with.
“But, like, I’m not racist or anything.”
LOL!
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@darqbeauty:
Nope, not racist at all. 😉 And I really thought Chesca Leigh’s vid was spot on. And of course, many white folks didn’t find her vid amusing at all because it obviously hit close to home.
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Some people need to shut the fcuk up. lol!
U Mad? 🙂
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The fact that SO many people of color liked it, not just Black, and that SO many white women found it offensive, speaks volumes to me. One is the observation that people of color have a great sense of humor. The second is that racist microaggressions are felt every day by people of color, yet the white women were offended that attention was being brought to it.That they were more offended that attention was being brought to it than the fact that they happened at all. They have a weird way of turning on the water works to gain sympathy when they are called on their bullsh*t. I believe it is called “WWT”.
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darqbeauty
” we overheard this YOUNG white woman was talking about “orientals”.”
Why is “Oriental” offensive? I understand that it is – I’m very PC enlightened, but why?
Orient simplly means “East”. Asia is East of Europe.
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leigh
“Some people need to shut the fcuk up. lol!”
That’s nice; been drinking have we?
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@darqbeauty:
Yes, I’ve heard this term before and abagond has done a post on it. It’s funny how so many white people get up in arms about being made fun of when they do this a lot of times to non-whites. Boo-fcuking hoo. 😉 Gotta love crybabies.
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Yep. She’s mad. hehe
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Brahms,
My sentence explains why in the context it was used. Because it refers to a thing and not a person. This is American English we are speaking here.
LOL@ You being “enlightened” 🙂
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[…] “The White Racist Guide To Black Crime” […]
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Oh, don’t forget the gold grill! And the middle finger salutes! While you’re at it, please add ebonics for good measure!
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Add wearing your hair natural. Because Black hair is a political statement for some reason! lol
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Blacks don’t have hair.
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@ destructure
You don’t have to keep braying to convince me you’re a jackass. I believe you! 😛
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LOL! Go darqbeauty! I adore you! 😀
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It’s just so immature and vindictive. It would be different if people actually did research and genuinely went in with a desire to discuss a group of people. But in these cases they just want to throw out their opinions which are nothing more than ideological garbage, and then pass it off as fact. They are never open to learning anything or correcting their views if they are wrong, they just want to “stick it to” a group of people because it sates their own little shrinking egos. The crime argument is just another way they do that.
Anyone think it’s interesting that blacks only became “criminals” when they couldn’t be controlled as “docile, happy slaves”? The idea that someone’s race makes them more likely to commit any act is just preposterous, nothing more than anti-intellectual drivel meant to sate the failing egos of people who’ve lost their right to supremacy a long time ago.
@ Brahms,
I believe it is because it’s a term created by people who systematically used it to objectify the “exotic East”. Asian people, for example, are not rugs or carpets. Therefore if they don’t want to be referred to as an exotic “thing” that should be respected more than your wish to call them that.
@ Leigh,
I’ts true. It’s always okay to make fun of people of color for being PoC (ever notice how Asians “can’t drive” or Mexicans are “lazy”) but you can never seem to get away with making fun of white people for what they actually do. It’s proof that this whole post-racial “don’t take yourself too seriously and we can all get along” doesn’t go both ways.
You’d think they’d gather that maybe they shouldn’t do it if they don’t want to be made fun of for it, but that’s the lovely part of WWT:
Being able to say all of the culturally insensitive things you want and then being able to play the victim when people finally call you out for it.
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“@ destructure
You don’t have to keep braying to convince me you’re a jackass. I believe you! 😛 ”
LOL.
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@ Darqbeauty,
I’m going to watch them flail a bit while you continue work your magic.
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Uh-oh! I’ve stepped in it now. I know how sensitive black women are about the hair thing. I apologize.
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Drqbeauty
“My sentence explains why in the context it was used. Because it refers to a thing and not a person. This is American English we are speaking here.”
Try again. Asian refers to a thing and not a person as well. Why is the word offensive? I understand the offensiveness of N-word and even “boy” but not Oriental.
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Brahms,
You chose one statement from my response to you, and made a swan dive into a conclusion. I’ve also said that POC care about their own no matter what the colors the criminals are. Case in point:
http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/2012/03/23/editorial-to-those-who-keep-asking-why-yall-dont-care-when-black-folks-kill-black-folks/
Now, I beg you to still call me…or rather call black people hypocrites again after reading this, if you read it that is.
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Ace
“Anyone think it’s interesting that blacks only became “criminals” when they couldn’t be controlled as “docile, happy slaves”? The idea that someone’s race makes them more likely to commit any act is just preposterous, nothing more than anti-intellectual drivel meant to sate the failing egos of people who’ve lost their right to supremacy a long time ago.”
Whites are falsely labeling blacks as criminals? No, the facts are simply being stated, sorry if you don’t like them. Blacks commit 50% of the murders in this country while being 12% of the population – why? why? why? I’m sure it has something to do with white males. Enlighten this white devil.
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@darqbeauty
People of Color have empathy. I have often wondered if it was our downfall, considering the double speak, hatred and underhanded tactics that racist whites have employed over the centuries. Blacks were naive enough to believe that when they sold their own into slavery, it would be the Biblical slavery everyone was used to. Not the brutal chattel horror it was. Blacks did not murder white families in their beds, despite having their own families ripped from them time after time. Native Americans were kind enough help them out when they got here. The Meso Americans treated them like gods. The Indians opened them with welcome arms and became victims. This is a common and running theme when it comes to them interacting with people of color. I have often wondered who they would point the finger at if there were no people of color around…then I remember. All I have to do is pick a history book on Europe and the answer is staring me in my face. Rampant class castes, war mongering, religious persecution, child labor and soldiering, gender inequality ect.
That’s what it is. POC have always treated whites way better than they ever have treated them. There are exceptions, but as a whole, white people have been destructive not only to POC, but to their own in Europe.
How can they be genetically superior, as race realists believe, when they could not and can not control their own pathologies let alone take accountability for them?
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If it makes you feel better destructure…and since you are the only one bringing up hair, then your dead keratin cells are better than my dead keratin cells. You sound like you need an ego boost. Such a fragile ego..that you have to talk about another persons hair like a petty girl in middle school. I’ve never seen a male display this kind of behavior before. Fascinating.
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@Ace:
Exactly. These white women with their tear-stained faces cry like babies because of their feigned hurt feelings. Aww, such fragile creatures.
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@Leigh
I hear you loud and clear, bw. Like any POC, I feel a sense of dread when I watch the news about another POC committing a crime. It’s like this. You cross your fingers and PRAY the person who did the criminal act is not the same race. Soon after the VA Tech shooting in ’07, I was at a magazine kiosk and some white guy standing there with a newspaper in his hands and asks me why the Asian shooter murdered those students. I looked at him incredulously. I curtly responded, “Just because I happen to have an Asian face, somehow I know what goes on in this guy’s head?” That was a wtf moment.
I know how you fell. I cancelled a trip to my old college because of a couple of murders committed by one brotha. Even though I wasn’t responsible, I still felt dead inside. And I shouldn’t have to feel this way. That’s the thing.
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@brothawolf
LOL @ being able to be wiped out at the drop of a melanated sperm or ovum equating to genetically superior.
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@ brothawolf
Apparently we are the Borg and we have a collective hive mind consciousness. They are 7 of 9. They are “individual”. 😛
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@ brothawolf:
No, you shouldn’t have to be feel this way at all since what happened wasn’t your fault. However, what is it with racist white people who seem to want to make you accountable for what another person of your race does?
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brotha
“You chose one statement from my response to you, and made a swan dive into a conclusion. I’ve also said that POC care about their own no matter what the colors the criminals are. Case in point:
http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/2012/03/23/editorial-to-those-who-keep-asking-why-yall-dont-care-when-black-folks-kill-black-folks/
Now, I beg you to still call me…or rather call black people hypocrites again after reading this, if you read it that is.”
I called you a hypocrite because you said this –
“It’s like I said, white people like Brahms are only concerned about white victims when the suspect is black, but won’t do a damn thing if the suspect is white.”
In other words, I’m impying (since you didn’t get it the first time somehow) that you don’t care when the suspect is black and the victim white. You link an essay talking about how blacks care about black and black crime – yes indeed, I’m sure they do.
Further, you are black not a POC. You don’t get to pick the teams (whites against all non-whites); I know you’d like to. Do Koreans want to be part of your team? Indians, Hispanics? – ‘fraid not. The teams you are actually forming are black vs non-black; that should work out well you black-Egyptian-centrists.
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@ Brahms,
Except that those are not “facts” that prove anything about the entire black population. Also, as many people also note, blacks are ARRESTED more for those crimes, they don’t necessarily commit more of them. Also, we are forgetting the most important thing: To decide that an entire group of people are likely to act a certain way based on a statistic or assumption is just intellectually unsound.
If I used that logic, then all white people are pedophilic terrorists with a penchant for eating human flesh and listening to alternative rock. I mean…the statistics say white people do all of those things more than everyone else AND they make up more of the population! Sorry you don’t like that.
The difference is that I go out of my way to think intellectually and remember that there are just too many factors and real life exceptions to those statistics to use them as a way to evaluate an entire group, You, on the other hand, are fine doing what your doing, even though those assumptions have led to the unfair persecution of entire groups of people for centuries.
You aren’t taking into account the outliers, or the fact that that finding is not in reference to the “rule”, it just deals with the exception. Of course, racists have always been skilled at side stepping actual facts (or real life experience from the people they are talking about) in favor of cherry picking and twisting the meaning of ones they think best fit their ideology.
Also, since you have no clue over what race I am, I find your use of “white devil” in your response to me to be hilarious. (Because, since I do not agree with your racist views, I must be a black person who sees white people as “white devils”) Here I thought you’d needed to know someone was black here in order to be needlessly dismissive or racist towards them. Now I know racists are just jerks to everyone that doesn’t agree with their outdated, 1960’s view of the world.
The fact of the matter is using crime rates as an excuse to denigrate or insult an entire group of people (many of which would never commit a crime, even if their lives would be easier if they did) is nothing more than petty vindictiveness over a loss of undeserved privilege.
@ Darqbeauty,
Did I actually see someone pull the “black women’s hair” trick out of the bag? Haven’t’ seen that in a while.
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@ Brahams,
Also, you DO realize that black people are POC too, right?
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Brotha
You were correct in your response – I retract my last statement. You were making a distinction between my feelings towards white on white vs black on white violence. You are correct, I do place more emotional value on black on white crime.
You may or may not place more value on white on black crime vs black on black. I’ll let you answer that.
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@ Ace, I saw that and laughed. It seemed like something a spiteful vindictive and shallow woman would do. Like I stated before, I have never seen a male display that type of behavior.
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Ace
“Also, you DO realize that black people are POC too, right?”
I reject the term; I won’t accept its use because it is offensive. It alienates whites.
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Ace
“Except that those are not “facts” that prove anything about the entire black population”.
I’ve never said or implied such a thing and do not believe that entire black population is flawed; I will not read the rest of you diatribe.
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Note to self:
Must use the words POC more frequently.
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@destructure
I forwarded to the section you asked me to watch and it did no such thing. Blacks aren’t over reported as criminals. Blacks just commit a disproportionate share of crime.
That is the dumbest answer to the age-old question and you know it, or rather you don’t want to know it. It’s not as simple as you make it sound. Why not do some research as to why this is so, and I mean research that’s not published by your race realist messiahs.
Well, if that’s not the pot calling the kettle black. Abagond and his acolytes spend a great deal of time trying to demonize whites. In just this thread alone there have been numerous false claims that whites have higher rates of serial murder, pedophilia, etc. I’ve presented documentation that whites have lower rates of those crimes. And, yet, right after I disproved the claim darq repeated it. And right after you complained brahms is trying to “paint blacks as degenerates” you turned right around and demanded whites take “responsibility for what their ancestors have done.” Your hypocrisy is self evident.
But instead of seeing if what Abagond wrote was valid–instead of stopping and thinking that there is some truth behind it, you call it demonization. It seems that white people like you hate it when whites are viewed as a negative light, but will take negative images, publications, and blogs about blacks as the gospel. Don’t deny that it’s true that whites hate to be told the truth from black people let alone hate to hear how they are dysfunctional even when it comes to their own people.
Where the hell is this so-called documentation?
Now, you’re twisting my words. I said:
…This is why I’m sick and tired of hearing Brahms trying to make the entire black community be held accountable for the crimes a few fools, while they can’t even fathom taking responsibility for what their ancestors have done.
Hasn’t Brahms consistently tried to make black people out to the racist supremacists or a race of violent-for-no-reason people? (Knowing you, you’ll say no.) And I have not asked white people to take responsibility for what they’ve done in the past or what they’re doing today. I said that you can’t fathom taking responsibility for what your ancestors done. If that is true, then what chance is there for your people as a whole, to take responsibility for the shit those of you in higher places are doing?
In a nutshell that’s the fucking problem with white people, they can’t or won’t take responsibility for their screw ups. Period. And you’re living proof of that fact. You want to blame everything on black people. In your warped, little mind, white people are perfect saints.
You really are a sheltered, self-centered, fool.
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To brothawolf:
I know how you fell. I cancelled a trip to my old college because of a couple of murders committed by one brotha. Even though I wasn’t responsible, I still felt dead inside.
Well you shouldn’t feel this way. That’s coming from a White person who has experienced violence several times at the hands of Black people (including a hospitalization and permanent scarring..) and not someone who picked up a few stories in the newspaper and feels obliged to talk about Black crime.
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“Ace
“Also, you DO realize that black people are POC too, right?”
I reject the term; I won’t accept its use because it is offensive. It alienates whites.”
But doesn’t the term “whites” alienate other groups ?!?
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@ Brahms,
But…didn’t you use it up there in response to Brothawolf? Why, is it only offensive because it’s a term people chose for themselves instead of some insulting slur you’d throw in it’s place? Didn’t white people alienate themselves by imposing rules and policies that actually alienated those people of color?
Yes you did. You said and implied it more than once. Unlike many “realist” or racist-centered places, you cannot suddenly pretend your words are an etch-a-sketch that you can shake off when people call you out on what you say. Also, the whole “black centrist” title you slapped onto at least two of your posts proves that you do.
You don’t have to read my “diatribe” it’s much easier for racists to ignore things that call out their views for the illogical ego-centric ravings that they are. In fact, I’d prefer not to have to repeat the same things to you when you clearly are intent in arguing the same ideas every time you want to make a point .
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@ deedee7789,
Of course not! As we all know, white is just a term created for “inclusiveness”. Everyone knows that people of color totally chose not to be “white”! All of that “coloreds only” stuff was so totally created to alienate white people!
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Hmm. POC all over the world, join hands, start a love train. 😀
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@Brahms
In other words, I’m impying (since you didn’t get it the first time somehow) that you don’t care when the suspect is black and the victim white. You link an essay talking about how blacks care about black and black crime – yes indeed, I’m sure they do.
Further, you are black not a POC. You don’t get to pick the teams (whites against all non-whites); I know you’d like to. Do Koreans want to be part of your team? Indians, Hispanics? – ‘fraid not. The teams you are actually forming are black vs non-black; that should work out well you black-Egyptian-centrists.
Believe it or not, I do care, and there are black people who do care about black-on-white crime. For example, going back to my reply to Leigh earlier. This one guy killed his pregnant girlfriend, and ended up killing a police officer. After this was on the news, people, including the black community not only expressed their sorrow, but have organized meetings to stop the violence seeing as how that was the third cop killed within less than a few months and from what I’ve heard, all three of those cops were white.
Here’s the thing though, you, or rather many whites in general, DON’T CARE if the suspect is white and the victim is black, nor do they have much drive to stop white-on-white violence.
Who the fuck are you to tell me I’m not a POC? I know I’m a member of a group of groups that is the target of white supremacy. I’m not about picking teams, coming from someone who chose to be on the team of race realists. I know there are POC against blacks and vice versa, and I know that gets you off with such ecstasy, but there are others who are trying to build bridges with each other while people like you want to burn them.
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@ Leigh,
Ha, should we pick up the gay and trans people? I’m sure they’ll love the whole “oppressor alienation” angle.
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LOL @ Them using the term “colored” and then getting mad because we call ourselves people of color.
I guess the term white is supposed to be a generically all inclusive word! We People of Color learn something new every day!
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@Ace:
The more the merrier, I say. 🙂
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deedee7789
“But doesn’t the term “whites” alienate other groups ?!?”
POC excludes only whites and includes all others.
Black excludes all non-blacks, asian excludes all non-asians
If I were to describe my group as PONSAC – people of non-Subsaharan African color…….it would include all except blacks. It would slectively exclude only blacks as POC does to whites.
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darqbeauty
“LOL @ Them using the term “colored” and then getting mad because we call ourselves people of color.
I guess the term white is supposed to be a generically all inclusive word! We People of Color learn something new every day!”
Who’s “them”. Is that kind of like when Trayvon’s mom said, “they killed him”.
Racist
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Why does there have to be a reason or some sort of explanation for anything bad a white person does when it’s clearly an excuse.
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Maybe some of you should do some studying on the pineal gland. Blacks have an active pineal gland while majority of whites have a calcified one. Studies indicate that the active pineal gland in blacks and other minority groups actually account for a higher moral standard. I have never committed any crime or violent act, and I don’t know very many people personally who have. This makes me wonder where in the world they come up with the numbers for statistics that perpetuate these outrageous claims of inherently bad people.
I used to work as a juvenile sex offender counselor and the most heinous crime were committed by white, male teens ages 14 to 17. I had 24 students in my unit at all times and out of the 24, I would never have a number higher than 6 minority children. In the general crime units most of the children were minority teens from poverty ridden, urban areas. The white children came from very diverse backgrounds and represented all socio-economic statuses. Explain this with your faulty statistics….
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@Brahms
You were correct in your response – I retract my last statement. You were making a distinction between my feelings towards white on white vs black on white violence. You are correct, I do place more emotional value on black on white crime.
That’s the whole point! Black people are affected by crime in an emotional way no matter who did the crime. They have been working our asses off to try to stop the violence only to hear criticism from whites.
We are trying our hardest to make a difference. What are white people’s excuses of not being just as riled at their own violence against themselves? Why must they only show a hint of outrage when the subject is a POC, and only then are their movements strictly their movements, no POC allowed?
And another thing, I’m tired as hell of having to deal with being judged by the actions of a few fools. That doesn’t even make sense that it happens. They do not represent me any more than I represent black people in America and around the world. And I know you don’t want to represent white people everywhere, but you don’t have to worry about that, because you’re skin gives you immunity from such a collectivist view. Do you ever get a terrible feeling within you when you hear that a white person committed a violent crime or did something crazy or stupid? No. But I do, and I’m not alone. Why do we feel this way? Because this is part of the collective gaze. The whole race is indicted for the actions of a few. That’s what I and other POC have to deal with all the time. Your lack of empathy prevents you from truly understanding the depths of this pain.
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@ Brahms,
Except for the fact that white people chose the term “black” not the other way around. They also chose to exclude all of the people of color who fall under the term. Also, not all blacks come from “sub Saharan Africa” so no, it wouldn’t exclude them. I think you should research a little more before you try to pick apart “terms” people use to describe each other.
Also…
Classy bringing up the mother of a murdered teen to debate over the use of the word “them” and whether it’s racist to a group of people who regularly go out of their way to “other” others .
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ace
@ Brahms,
I believe my position has been consistent. I believe the problem with present-day America is dysgenics which affects all races but blacks especially.
I’ve explained my position on POC – its quite logical.
“Black centrists” – I am definitely prejudiced against black centrists just as you are racist against white racists (hell, maybe all whites right?).
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I’m tired of this. I’m literally drained.
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Brahms,
You can shout “racist” as much as you want but coming from someone who says things like,
“Back then I didn’t understand the extent to which a large sub-population of blacks have an empathy deficit for lesser humans and animals ”
no one is really paying you any mind. Even my typing to you is half hearted and lackluster. You don’t even have the redeeming quality of being entertaining like Bliff or Doug1. 😦
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I was going to say something but I am laughing too hard. Sometimes reality is so much funnier than fiction. I mean, who could come up with guys like Brahms or these guys in fiction??
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@abagond: good post once again! great to see how the resident racist trolls prove it right.
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@brothawolf
Vampires feed on the blood and energy of others. Sunlight burns them. Have pale skin and lack a conscious.
Sounds like you have Van Helsing syndrome! I recommend a cup of chamomile tea and a viewing of the original “Night Of The Living Dead” stat!
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2956447426428748010)
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@ The Inconvenient Truth
If you do not want your comments deleted then please learn to express yourself without using racial slurs.
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Brahms wrote, “Further, you are black not a POC. You don’t get to pick the teams (whites against all non-whites); I know you’d like to. Do Koreans want to be part of your team? Indians, Hispanics? – ‘fraid not. The teams you are actually forming are black vs non-black; that should work out well you black-Egyptian-centrists.”
Bingo. POC is a politically motivated term. People with a chip on their shoulder want to pretend there is some sort of bond between non-whites. There’s not. As soon as the number of non-whites reaches a certain point they forget about whites and start fighting each other. Then they want to blame whites for pitting them against one another. Sorry, Whites have nothing to do with that. Non-whites just can’t get along with one another. Leigh, of course, is just a hemorrhoid. I’ve yet to find something she’s not angry about.
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Brothwolf
“They have been working our asses off to try to stop the violence only to hear criticism from whites”
I do not condemn blacks for ignoring black on black crime. I condemn those blacks who go nuts when a white shoots a black; who rally in the street as if there is some problem (any problem) with whites killing blacks and getting off scott free. It angers me because of the obvious black on white violent crime problem – blacks are running around hitting whites and trying to knock them out – and people here ignore this symptom of cultural decay! how?
As to the rest of your post. I have said before that I understand the plight of normal blacks and the world that has been created for them by their racist and violent brothers and sisters (I know you disagree with that assessment). I truly beleive that they are the most alienated of all English-speaking people. As a white man however, I can do nothing for them except approach each black as an individual – something I have always done and will continue to do. Yet, I cannot ignore what is happening to whites at the hands of a sub-set of blacks. A lesser man would be a raving racist – and many are becoming so.
Why not condemn this culture of thuggery and misogyny? Instead, we have Abogond rationalizing every nuance of this sub-culture – basically, its a black repsonse to white racism. Its inane.
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LOL @ inconvenient truth!
Racist much? Why do you think we care about what you have to say about us? You’re obviously biased. Your words fall on deaf ears. It angers you that intelligent People of Color don’t care about your empty blustering.
Now don’t get all mad and come back and shoot the place up now, ok? Just kidding! 😛
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Well, that didn’t last long. hehe
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sam
@abagond: good post once again! great to see how the resident racist trolls prove it right.
Just because you guys cheer each other doesn’t make your points valid. Brahms has been beating the pants off you guys. Of course, you’d never acknowledge. That sort of makes it an exercise in futility. Personally, I enjoy the exercise.
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DB
You shouldn’t be using those kinds of expressions. Abagond will delete your post like he just deleted mine. Won’t you abagond? Abagond??? Oh, well. Maybe not. Still, it was nice of you to steal my rebuttal and type it back to me.
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I looked up the definition for “Dysgenetics”
I’m sure you have a definition but I’m posting it for reference, so I apologize for any redundency:
” the study of factors producing the accumulation and perpetuation of defective or disadvantageous genes and traits in offspring of a particular population or species.”
It also relates to “eugenics”.
Why do you believe that blacks are especially likely to pass on defective or disadvantageous genes and traits if you do not (as you claim above) personally adhere to a viewpoint which denigrates black people as a race? It’s absolutely contradictory. Your just using racist viewpoints in a way that’s more socially acceptable. In fact, it seems almost like a Nazi-like view of race and how it is tied to traits and morality, and is honestly too disturbing for words.
People are not naturally more “defective” because they have a certain skin color, and they don’t share the same “genes” due to the fact that their ancestors might have come from the same place.
“I’ve explained my position on POC – its quite logical.”
Except that it isn’t. You cannot claim to be excluded when you yourself created the exclusion. It’s like a bully getting mad the “nerds” are sitting at a table doing homework together a week after he beat them up and told them they couldn’t sit with him. Why should they create a term that includes people who systematically act like they are opposed to being associated with them without some heirachy? If white people truly wanted inclusion, why try so hard to exclude the people of color in the first place?
“I am definitely prejudiced against black centrists just as you are racist against white racists (hell, maybe all whites right?).”
I can’t be racist against “white racists”, last time I checked, white and racist are not instantly in the same category. “Racist” is not a race, it is a person who sticks to an ideology and way of thinking that elevates his/her race above someone else’s. However, I am one of those “PoC” you referenced up there in response to Brothawolf. Many of us who aren’t tricked into believing a Euro-centric view of other PoC do not want to be on same team as the people who make a point to regularly dehumanize us every day.
Saying “You are acting racist” or “You believe in racist views” is not the same as saying “black people are inherently more likely to commit crimes” or “black people are less intelligent”. I do not see white people as inherently evil, defective, or more likely to commit negative actions. When I see white people, I see an individual, not a “study” or a Stormfront pamphlet. That is the difference. Racists see a person of a different race as an inhuman object that is not worth the title of “individual”, as something defective that they should put all effort into wiping out or disenfranchising.
And that doesn’t explain why you choose to dismiss anything someone says as “black centrist”. It doesn’t help your arguments when you dismiss someone as a part of a certain group as if it has somehow diminished their point of view.
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I don’t steal. Land. Resources. People. And certainly not rebuttals. *sweet smile*
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@ Brahms,
Also, you realize that “thuggery” and misogyny are not “black” right? They’ve been happening for centuries. Also, black is not a “culture”, it is a race. There are many different “cultures” that blacks are a part of. You cannot dismiss an entire race by bringing up societal ills that your own race has a long history of perpetuating just as much.
And how did black people create this “racist” world for themselves when they had racists saying things about them during the 200 plus years most of them were kept as slaves? Did they have some sort of political power to make this “world”? And did the Jews make Germany a “racist” place, or did the Germans fall prey to an ideology that made it so?
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Ace
People are not naturally more “defective” because they have a certain skin color, and they don’t share the same “genes” due to the fact that their ancestors might have come from the same place.
That’s not really the idea behind dysgenics. The idea is that negative traits exist in all populations. And when people with negative traits reproduce at a higher rate those negative traits increase harming the population. As it is, there is a universal dysgenic trend since the most intelligent people currently average the fewest children and the least intelligent currently average the most. That trend is true of ALL populations today. But it is most true of blacks. Therefore, the black population is being harmed most by dysgenics.
From your comments I would guess that you’re not black. I don’t agree with them but the grammar and syntax is more sophisticated than abagond’s other readers.
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DB
Who are you kidding? You steal every time the welfare checks come out.
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darqbeauty
“LOL @ inconvenient truth!
Racist much?”
And yet black racist comments are allowed to stay on his site
Cleonette
“Maybe some of you should do some studying on the pineal gland. Blacks have an active pineal gland while majority of whites have a calcified one. Studies indicate that the active pineal gland in blacks and other minority groups actually account for a higher moral standard. “
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Ace
And did the Jews make Germany a “racist” place, or did the Germans fall prey to an ideology that made it so?
That’s an interesting point. Especially, since most of the arguments blacks make against whites are the same ones nazis used against jews.
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“From your comments I would guess that you’re not black. I don’t agree with them but the grammar and syntax is more sophisticated than abagond’s other readers.”
Yet he comes here day after day to hear the thoughts of and debate with people he considers intellectually inferior.
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@Cleonette
“Maybe some of you should do some studying on the pineal gland. Blacks have an active pineal gland while majority of whites have a calcified one. Studies indicate that the active pineal gland in blacks and other minority groups actually account for a higher moral standard. “
Blacks keep saying that. But I’ve yet to see a study linking the pineal gland to morality. From what I can tell, the pineal gland is primarily vestigial. But it does limit sexual development in children. After that its not really used. The studies I’ve seen suggest older whites have higher levels of pineal calcification but the condition is common in most populations.
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@ destructure,
I have a job. There are more white people on welfare than Black. Therefore, I as an employed Black woman, am paying more for lazy welfare stealing whites than lazy welfare stealing Blacks. Why are so many of your people on welfare? They need to pull themselves up by their boostraps like I did! My office is hiring for a janitorial position. Spread the word! 🙂
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@ Destructure,
How do you know it’s “most true of blacks”? Do you have irrefutable proof that the majority of blacks carry and pass on negative genes purely because they are black? If you take one black person and another from complete opposite sides of the world, can you say with confidence that they are both more likely to pass on negative genes versus two white people? You can’t really trace it because they don’t have the same lineage, or share the same family of genetics, right?
Saying it’s true of “all populations” seems like a smokescreen to avoid accusations of “racist”, because you’ve still decided that it has to be especially true for one group (in this case, black people). It’s awful convenient. It reminds me a lot of what some social Darwinists say, which has been used to explain inequality people face as something they’ve brought on themselves (i.e. the poor were born stupider and therefore deserve to be poor).
I honestly do not see how I have been any more eloquent than Brothawolf or others. Do you mean that you read where I said I wasn’t “black”? Or are you referring to the nature of my posts? Are you basing the quality of my words on my racial background?
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DB
Yet he comes here day after day to hear the thoughts of and debate with people he considers intellectually inferior.
Most people are intellectually inferior. Why should you be any different?
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LOL Did he just compare Black people to Nazis?
You’re braying again….
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Intellectual inferiority is not something I presume about anyone. I don’t even assume you are intellectually inferior. I just assume that you’re a complete ignoramus. MY presumption is based on empirical evidence. However, you think I am intellectually inferior because I am Black.
Yet you are here day after day arguing with those you consider beneath you. If you are in possession of such a vaunted and high intellect, then why can you not shut down threads with a few well placed words? I think you have delusions of grandeur. A truly wise man knows that he knows nothing at all. Your words betray you to be anything but wise.
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@ Bliff
You need to speak to Steven Haws. He is drawing conclusions based on just two examples! You need to school him in statistics!
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/04/04/the-white-racist-guide-to-black-crime/#comment-121963
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Oh, and if you don’t like what is being said on this blog, no one is forcing you to stay here. You come here on your own accord. To argue with people you think are below you. And can’t seem to win a debate with. 🙂 Day after day after day after day ad infinitum ad nauseum…
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@ saadiyah
You read my mind. When I wrote #2 I almost put in that “innocent black people” is an oxymoron!
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Ace
“Why do you believe that blacks are especially likely to pass on defective or disadvantageous genes and traits if you do not (as you claim above) personally adhere to a viewpoint which denigrates black people as a race? ”
I don’t know why blacks have an 80% out of wedlock birth rate but that is a fact. People who father children and walk away or who get pregnant by thugs have poor genes and are passing them on.
“Nazi-like” in reference to dysgenics – traits are passed on, sorry. If Einstein and Ayn Rand had children they would be smarter than the children of Mariah Carey and Hulk Hogan.
“It’s like a bully getting mad the “nerds” are sitting at a table doing homework together a week after he beat them up and told them they couldn’t sit with him.”
The nerds in your anology are all non-whites – that is the flaw. Whites don’t have issues with all non-whites. Further, hispanics have more problems with blacks than with whites; moreso for asians.
“black people are inherently more likely to commit crimes” or “black people are less intelligent”
Never said that. However, the blacks that are committing the crimes are the same blacks who are producing the most children – dysgenics. If you compare aveages among races then yes, blacks are more likely to do this or that but that is not saying “blacks” as in “all blacks”.
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@ Brahms
That racists do not use common sense in thinking about black crime, that they are idiots. It is unfortunate that they vote and make things way worse.
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Ace
“And did the Jews make Germany a “racist” place, or did the Germans fall prey to an ideology that made it so?”
Wake up son. Of course Jews made Germany a racist place – I suppose Jews have been kicked out of countries over 100 times because people didn’t like matza balls? Your historic knowledge is weak – look into the changes in German culture leading up to Hitler’s overwhelming support. The topic is not relevant here.
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DB
Once again, you fail to understand the concept of base rates. Since blacks are already over-represented on the welfare rolls I sincerely appreciate your not being among them. As for why whites are on welfare, its the same reason blacks are on welfare. Most of them are single mothers.
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@ Destructure,
I apologize for my length but I feel that these sorts of points need to be addressed thoroughly.
Also, on the Nazi Germany point:
I haven’t seen these comments where blacks refer to whites in the same way Germans referred to Jews (and all other non-Aryans). I have, however, seen many white people view blacks in a similar manner, even if they do not personally subscribe to views that would call for any ethnic cleansing or inequality.
If I misunderstood and your post is actually referring to black people believing white people have earned their “world”:
In the whole Germany situation, the world sort of grabbed Germany and shoved their nose into the mess they created. The Holocaust was something they were never allowed to forget, the Germans who knew the situation but did nothing but profit from it were held as responsible as the men in uniform starving and shooting the “undesirables”. They had to own up to what they did and their officials were put on trial. There was no hushing up or attempt to soften the consequences of their actions.
Also, after the Rwandan Genocide, many of the killers were put on “trial” in this sort of group meeting where they had to talk to the relatives of their victims and make some attempt at reconciliation. They did terrible things but the fact that they were wiling to take responsibility for what they’d done made reconciliation easier than if they sat smugly and tried to blame their victims.
That is what I think racists need to have happen to them. They need to be shown concrete examples to just what their views have done to real life tangible people. That is not because they are “white”, it is because they are racist.
I do not personally believe anyone “earns” the prejudice they experience, white people included. To believe that would be hypocrisy on my end. People are not their skin color, their skin color is just one tiny part of who they are .
That’s why I find the whole “black crime as justification for prejudice” to be so ridiculous. Is it truly right to use something like that to justify hurting an entire group of people? No.
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@ Brahms
I see that fake paternalism and telling blacks what to do is a habit that dies hard.
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Ace
I haven’t seen these comments where blacks refer to whites in the same way Germans referred to Jews
Such comments are common on this blog. There are such comments on just this thread. If you haven’t seen them it’s because you don’t wish to see them. As for the rest, you’ve made assumptions about me and others that don’t necessarily apply.
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Abogond
“I see that fake paternalism and telling blacks what to do is a habit that dies hard.
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Sorry for caring; seemed like you guys could use some direction. Hint – stop beating a dead horse.
How many black lives as fake paternalism ruined I wonder – the horror, the horror.
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Abagond
Since you’re hear, maybe you’d like to comment on the black man who shot the white mentally disabled man for yelling and walking a dog? The black man was not arrested – just like Zimmerman – can you believe that?
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/crime/taco-bell-shooting-victim-was-holding-leash-not-weapon-4-4-2012
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Abagond
“That racists do not use common sense in thinking about black crime, that they are idiots. It is unfortunate that they vote and make things way worse.”
That is a true statement. Racists think that all blacks are inferior to all whites; are prone to violence, things like that.
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@Brahms
I just remembered something. POC generally share a common struggle as part of making connections with one another. The “Untouchables” of Indian viewed Black Panthers and the Civil Rights movement of the 60s positively. The indigenous people a of Australia also felt solidarity with Black people in the US since similar experiences were happening for them. There was also much diversity in California with people fighting for equal rights (http://dregsone.tumblr.com/post/16984807304/black-history-month-yellow-peril-brown-berets) <-Free Huey pic. This isn't to make you stop feeling the way you do about the term POC but just to rather give you a different perspective on it.
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@Brahms
I do not condemn blacks for ignoring black on black crime. I condemn those blacks who go nuts when a white shoots a black; who rally in the street as if there is some problem (any problem) with whites killing blacks and getting off scott free. It angers me because of the obvious black on white violent crime problem – blacks are running around hitting whites and trying to knock them out – and people here ignore this symptom of cultural decay! how?
And you don’t think black people have every right to feel outraged especially ever been handed the lie that we live in a post-racial/colorblind society? To us that’s a hard right to the jaw to remind us that nothing’s changed.
Are you trying to say that white-on-black crime is no reason for blacks to get upset, but we should be more concerned about black-on-white crime?? Are you serious??
Don’t give us that age-old fear that black-on-white crime is running rampant. We know damn well that it happens, but nowhere near as much as what you racists believe. And stop trying to say that this cultural decay is our fault while not sharing a small slither of responsibility is pompous if not totally stupid. We’ve heard it a million and one times. Frankly, I’m sick of hearing it.
Why not hold white serial killers, white mass murderers, white pedophiles, white rapists, white white collar criminals, and white crooked politicians that helped ran this nation into the ground responsible? What the bloody hell makes them free from blame or guilt?
Yes, black people are aware of the violence going on in their communities, and we are trying to do something about it with what we have, but to sit here and blame the black community for taking a huge part in cultural decay is a cold-hearted racist assumption copied from the minds of David Duke and Jared Taylor.
Why not condemn this culture of thuggery and misogyny? Instead, we have Abogond rationalizing every nuance of this sub-culture – basically, its a black repsonse to white racism. Its inane.
There are black people who do condemn thuggery and misogyny as well as try to understand what it’s about. What the hell are you talking about? Many black people don’t support a culture that shoves them into negative roles, the same roles you want to see us in as that seems to be your hang-up.
Bottom line: why don’t you and other white people who think like you take a look in the mirror before you conclude that our images are a reflection of the real thing.
I’m tired of arguing with you about who deserves to be worthy victims and what not. You’re starting to give me an aneurysm.
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@ Brahms,
“I don’t know why blacks have an 80% out of wedlock birth rate but that is a fact. People who father children and walk away or who get pregnant by thugs have poor genes and are passing them on.”
But they don’t. It is not a fact. If that were the case almost every black person would have to already have a child. That just isn’t feasible. And again applying “thugs” in the same argument as “blacks” goes to show your own racial views are polluting your arguments.
““Nazi-like” in reference to dysgenics – traits are passed on, sorry. If Einstein and Ayn Rand had children they would be smarter than the children of Mariah Carey and Hulk Hogan.”
But it is. If you believe certain races are more likely to pass on negative genetic traits than others, you are using Nazi-like views. It isn’t pretty but it’s a proper comparison.
“The nerds in your anology are all non-whites – that is the flaw. Whites don’t have issues with all non-whites. Further, hispanics have more problems with blacks than with whites; moreso for asians.”
And the “nerds” don’t all get a long either. That is part of living in a country that puts so much emphasis on “race” and competition. Also, you can only go off of what you assume. I can firmly say as one of those “PoC” that it’s tough growing up in a world where you are forced to throw each other under the bus to have a better chance of assimilating. It’s like with the Irish. They didn’t start hating blacks until American society told them to choose between their complexion protection (valuable to a foreigner that had no other real status) and possible economic competition. But I can garuntee we PoC don’t all subscribe to the views you claim we do, we know how “divide and conquer” has worked in the past.
And how is it truly a flaw? You stated you have issues with the term PoC because it excludes white people, but white people created the exclusion by excluding people of color from an equal place in their society. It is not the onus of people of color to go out of their way to include white people who refuse to stop separating themselves from people of color.
“black people are inherently more likely to commit crimes” or “black people are less intelligent”
“Never said that. However, the blacks that are committing the crimes are the same blacks who are producing the most children – dysgenics. If you compare averages among races then yes, blacks are more likely to do this or that but that is not saying “blacks” as in “all blacks”.”
No but I was referring to the difference between calling someone a racist versus making blanket statements which are a lot more offensive and can actually contribute to unfair policies.
You also say, further up in the thread, that you see people as individuals. How can you do that yet claim that black people are more likely to do anything? Doesn’t that sort of go against the whole “personal responsibility” argument?
Again, if we did that, white people would be more likely to pass on the genes for pedophilia, homosexuality, and sexualized violence (since averages show that there are higher numbers of white people who have been identified as pedophiles, gay, or sexual serial killers), But we know that it would be ridiculous. Also, how do you know those are the same blacks who do both? Do sit at night outside of black people’s bedrooms in order to make sure blacks who commit crimes also have more kids? How are you really certain?
I live in a mostly white town (well mostly white and then there’s Hispanic, very low black population, except for on Post or in the Country Club Estates, where black people mainly live). The majority of white people there were uneducated, had a past with drugs, got pregnant young, etc. Same with the Hispanic people there. Black people? All either joined the military, got jobs, or went to college. Can I say, due to that, that white people are more likely to be drug addicts, who are uneducated and likely to pass on those negative genes to their offspring? If averages say “yes”, does that make them something to use as a basis on how all white people are viewed?
It has been said that you cannot use statistics or “averages” to evaluate entire groups of people, nor should you. There are too many people to do that effectively, and too many outliers to make it accurate.
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Well if you care that much, Brahms, perhaps you should start your own blog instead of telling Abagond how to run his.
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@ brothawolf
That’s the lunacy of white supremacists. Telling us how inferior we are while complaining that we are imagining racism. Funny how that works.
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@Ace
Also, you realize that “thuggery” and misogyny are not “black” right? They’ve been happening for centuries. Also, black is not a “culture”, it is a race. There are many different “cultures” that blacks are a part of. You cannot dismiss an entire race by bringing up societal ills that your own race has a long history of perpetuating just as much.
And how did black people create this “racist” world for themselves when they had racists saying things about them during the 200 plus years most of them were kept as slaves? Did they have some sort of political power to make this “world”? And did the Jews make Germany a “racist” place, or did the Germans fall prey to an ideology that made it so?
THANK YOU! Of course, Brahms will still find ways to blame it on black culture.
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@ Brothawolf
Oh yes:
When whites blame circumstances it is called “context”. It is seen as being intellectually sophisticated.
When blacks blame circumstances it is called “whining”. It is seen as being emotionally unsophisticated.
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deedee
Whites supported Huey Long -they were called “rednecks” – it seemed to be a true people’s movement not a people of color movement. I don’t know much about him though, he did say this:
“I don’t know much about Hitler. Except that last thing, about the Jews. There has never been a country that put its heel down on the Jews that ever lived afterwards.”
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-did-jewish-communists-threaten-huey.html
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@ Destructure,
“Such comments are common on this blog. There are such comments on just this thread. If you haven’t seen them it’s because you don’t wish to see them. As for the rest, you’ve made assumptions about me and others that don’t necessarily apply.”
And yet you have chosen to often ignore the more offensive things racists who visit this blog have said (or even supported them). Sometimes you’ve joined in on saying rather nasty things specifically meant to racially bait someone. I do not see you ever saying that the racists who come on here have said anything wrong or inaccurate.
I honestly have not seen anyone come on here and make statements that are similar to the ones Germans used towards the Jews. I do not see people here comparing white people to animals, justifying putting them to death by the millions, or supporting policies that work to strip them of their hard earned rights. Hence I also went on to add something in case you meant that black people here believe that white people have earned some sort of prejudice.
I don’t see what assumptions I have made that aren’t based off of what you have said. I know that I brought up the Rwandan genocide and the post-Holocaust fervor because, in both of those examples, people were forced to account for what their views had done, even if they did not personally take part in enforcing the laws (or sanctions) that made those situations possible. I feel that racists should have the same thing done, how is that making an assumption about you?
I just think that using crime statistics as an excuse to attack an entire group of people is at best ignorant and at worst deplorable.
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@ Brothawolf,
Yep, because black people are not allowed to be a part of anything but a black “black culture” that can be filled with as many negative stereotypes as people can fit in it. If it wasn’t the black “culture of thuggery and misogyny” it would be “black women have the most dangerous womb”.
Only white people seem to be unique enough to have their actions and views treated as personal flaws instead of flaws of their racial heritage.
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The white news and shows like “Cops” are a sort of Black Watch:
http://whitewatch.info/
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Brotherwolf
Careful with that aneurysm, blacks do have a genetic predisposition to hypertention.
Lets simplify this a bit. You want shared blame for issues with blacks. It seems partly you blame white racism – I really can’t see that at all. I just don’t see this racism and no one here has yet to show me where it is.
The more interesting thing you mentioned was culture and what was influencing black culture. Do you blame whites? Whites don’t run hollywood, the music industry, or anything else having to do with culture formation. Jews run these enterprises and Jews do not consider themselves white.
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Ace
Come on man. “But it is. If you believe certain races are more likely to pass on negative genetic traits than others, you are using Nazi-like views.”
That’s not it at all. They are not genetically predisposed to pass on negative traits. Let me put it straight – dumb blacks are having way more kids than smart blacks.
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@ Brahms,
But there’s racism everywhere. You might not want to see it but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. The very act of putting one race above another is an act of racism, according to the definition. They should not have to show you where it is, it’s not their job to educate you on something you seem content to ignore. You are not the final judge over whether or not the racism exists, especially when even your own statements show that it does.
You can’t deflect blame by claiming people in charge are “Jews”, I don’t recall Jews being in charge of the industry when the Birth of a Nation came out (which actually caused a lot of people to join the Klan).
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Ace
its getting too late to repeat why the pedophile thing and the serial killer thing are completely false – been done in this thread by someone else
“Again, if we did that, white people would be more likely to pass on the genes for pedophilia, homosexuality, and sexualized violence (since averages show that there are higher numbers of white people who have been identified as pedophiles, gay, or sexual serial killers),”
Now – IF these perverts/killers had more kids, on average than normal whites then YES, over some number of generations their numbers would eventually overtake normal whites such that the majority of whites would be perverts and serial killers (assuming serial killers et al are determined by genes for the sake of argument).
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That this stuff about Bales was going on at the very same time as Trayvon was being made into a thug is an utterly priceless piece of post-racial Americana.
White man guns down women and children? Misunderstood.
Black teenager gunned down walking back from 7-Eleven? A thug in the making.
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@ Brahms,
But that’s no different! You are using it to suggest black people pass on more negative genes than other groups, that is no different. You also say up there that they ARE more genetically predisposed to pass on negative traits (according to your averages). You cannot view people as individuals and yet use viewpoints like that.
And how do you know? How do you actually know that more “dumb” blacks are somehow having more kids than “smart blacks” are? That is my problem. You already seem to have a negative opinion of blacks, so how can I trust that your belief is anything more of an assumption?
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@ Brahms,
But why are your views on black crime more accurate than those “false” serial killer and pedophilia statistics? You’ve just proven my point. It is not something that can be used to evaluate an entire population! They do not have “more kids” than the ones who do not subscribe to those “lifestyles”. Much like black criminals and “dumb people” do not constitute the majority (or entire) of the black population (the numbers are actually rather trumped up).
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Ace
I’ve split one of your paragraphs because it concerns two different issues.
And yet you have chosen to often ignore the more offensive things racists who visit this blog have said (or even supported them). (…) I do not see you ever saying that the racists who come on here have said anything wrong or inaccurate.
Is what they say “wrong or inaccurate” because it’s “offensive”?
Sometimes you’ve joined in on saying rather nasty things specifically meant to racially bait someone.
If you’ll go back up the thread you’ll notice the “nasty things” I say are usually preceded by the nasty things said by others. If you don’t like my apples then don’t shake my tree. I mean that generally as well as personally.
I honestly have not seen anyone come on here and make statements that are similar to the ones Germans used towards the Jews. I do not see people here comparing white people to animals, justifying putting them to death by the millions, or supporting policies that work to strip them of their hard earned rights.
No, abagond’s acolytes generally don’t compare whites to animals, advocate genocide, etc. Then, again, you generally don’t see abagond’s critics doing that either. For the reason, please see the comment policy. But you’re mistaken to say you haven’t heard anyone make statements similar to the nazis. That shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what the nazis were saying. Prior to WW2, most nazis weren’t going around saying that either.The argument was that jews had gotten rich by cheating and that they were holding germans down. Sound familiar?
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ACE
Holy …..
@ Brahms,
“But there’s racism everywhere. You might not want to see it but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. The very act of putting one race above another is an act of racism, according to the definition. They should not have to show you where it is, it’s not their job to educate you on something you seem content to ignore. You are not the final judge over whether or not the racism exists, especially when even your own statements show that it does.”
So I’ll just take your/their word on it I guess. Don’t call white society racist unless you can back it up.
“You can’t deflect blame by claiming people in charge are “Jews”, I don’t recall Jews being in charge of the industry when the Birth of a Nation came out (which actually caused a lot of people to join the Kla”
You mean that movie that was made in 1915? News flash – whites were pretty damned prejudiced in 1915. Women can vote now! Welcome back Time Traveller. Jews run Hollywood too Time Traveller -they disbanded the Legion of Decency and the Hollywood production code in the early 60s – now we get good movies like Hostel and Saw.
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@ grin and bear it
Here is how it works in Whitelandia:
Black person uses facts and reasons – MIGHT be right. Let’s wait and see if any white man agrees with him.
White man says something in a confident tone – probably true even though no facts or reasons were given.
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abagond
That this stuff about Bales was going on at the very same time as Trayvon was being made into a thug is an utterly priceless piece of post-racial Americana.
I’ve already given my opinion of that further up the thread. I believe the reason it was de-emphasized was more political than racial. Btw, when I first heard about it I told my mother that I hoped they held a quick trial and an even quicker execution. Like ripping off a band-aid. I really don’t know how I can be any more clear about my opinion on the matter than that. Bale isn’t the only one who’s gone off the chain and done something like that. There have been several incidents in which allied Afghan troops attacked US troops. There was also a palestinian doctor who shot up a base in texas and there have been a couple of black guys who’ve killed fellow soldiers in iraq. I’ll bet you didn’t even know about those.
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abagond
White man says something in a confident tone – probably true even though no facts or reasons were given.
I didn’t provide the facts because it was a well-known statistic. The 83% figure is from the 2008 National Crime Victim Survey. The 90% figure is from the NCVS survey from a previous year.
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abagond
Here is how it works in Hoodtopia:
White commits crime against black – it HAS to be racism.
Black commits crime against white – ignore it because it promotes racist stereotypes.
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Mexican shoots black guy – Close enough. We’ll blame it on the whites anyway.
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@ Brahms
Are you white-centric? Are you racist?
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deedee
Whoops – you meant Huey Newton.
All I can say is pick your friends wisely; whites aren’t your enemy, Jews are (not Israelis but “Diaspora Jews” “Assimilation Jews” “Trotsky Jews” – they like to take over other people’s countries). There are plenty of people of all races that don’t like whites and the media enforces that every time they can – you know this – wouldn’t want people to be able to stop and think for too long.
The POC thing is propaganda to stir anti-white beliefs.
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Abagond
I’m not white-centric, I’m a believer in merit. I welcome all who want to be polite and responsible citizens – but that means acting white; no country is big enough for competing cultures, languages, etc..
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Brahms
Jews are smart and have worked hard. They’ve earned they’re success. Crawl off their backs.
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@ Brahms
I am rationalizing every nuance of this sub-culture of thuggery and misogyny? Please, direct quotes where I ever did such a thing.
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@ Brahms
You are not white-centric – you just want every one to act white? Huh?
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@ Brahms
“And yet black racist comments are allowed to stay on his site”
And yet white racists comments are allowed to stay on my site.
I deleted Inconvenient’s comments for using a racial slur, just as I deleted one of yours for the same reason.
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@ destructure
Toni Morrison said it best:
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Careful with that aneurysm, blacks do have a genetic predisposition to hypertention.
Lets simplify this a bit. You want shared blame for issues with blacks. It seems partly you blame white racism – I really can’t see that at all. I just don’t see this racism and no one here has yet to show me where it is.
The more interesting thing you mentioned was culture and what was influencing black culture. Do you blame whites? Whites don’t run hollywood, the music industry, or anything else having to do with culture formation. Jews run these enterprises and Jews do not consider themselves white.
I honestly think Brahms thinks we’re dumber than a kid touching a flagpole with his tongue in the middle of winter in Calgary.
I could explain what contributes hypertension among blacks in this society, but it would be useless to waste my time and energy.
Also, since you’re so knowledgeable, why don’t you tell me what black culture is, and while you’re at it, tell me what white culture is.
I don’t blame whites. I blame whiteness and everything that comes with it. That is not the same as white people although many of you do live it as a religion.
And that old excuse about whites, not Jews controlling whatever, is played out. Even if they don’t consider themselves white, they are still considered ‘white’ by American race standards.
You know, I wonder if your gene pool is contaminated. I wonder if there is something biologically wrong with your ability to properly and rationally think and feel. I wonder if they are both inferior to that of POC.
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@ Brahms
I covered that already:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/selective-outrage/
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abagond
Toni Morrison said it best:
Fail. You should probably not attempt profundity so early in the morning.
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brothawolf
I could explain what contributes hypertension among blacks in this society, but it would be useless to waste my time and energy.
Poor diet? Lack of excercise? Obesity? Wait. Don’t tell me. It’s racism, right? Racism causes hypertension???
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I just read the story of the ‘Taco Bell’ shooting. There are glaring differences, namely the victim was not stalked, and the racial profiling criteria is missing. This appears to be a case of over-reaction on the part of the perpetrator. In addition, after it happened he called the police. You also, will not see blacks taking the side of the shooter;he was wrong, guilty, over-reacted. Case closed. The shooter does need to be arrested; why was he not charged? Maybe the police in this case have an agenda;and it does not show a system of bigotry, racism on the part of the black community in this case. Critical thinking is necessary.
This ‘tit-for-tat’ dynamic which nonblanks are attempting, is so unfair. Whites/nonblack Americans trying to draw a comparative picture of historical violence, racist oppression given to black Americans, to, incidences of black crimes towards nonblanks clearly lacks equivalency. There is no comparison. geez!
What is driving this need to compare historical acts of violent discrimination, oppression and injustice towards the black American community is guilt. Whites/nonblacks want to say, see you all are just as horrifying as we were to you. Doesn’t work at all.
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Dysgenics is off topic. I am deleting any further comments on it.
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@ Brahms
You will never see it because you assume American society is more or less fair and just. Therefore blacks have only themselves to blame. Given the country’s history that is not a common-sense position.
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I agree , Brathawolf. and I agree with something you said once, I think it was you. You said black people can be bigoted or biased but not racist
White people created this whole racist thing, black people can ony back peddle and defend themselves against it
I aways knew slavery has created affects that abolutly linger on into our time right now. Its like these people never saw the tests when a white person goes out to to get an apertment, a loan, a job versus a black person..I mean what more blatent truth do you want
But let me tell you, living in a country like Brazil , with a majority black population and they abandoned slavery in 1888, and still ran slaves from Africa a decade more, you can really perceive , because they are plagued with many of the same problems as the USA, how deeply slavery has affected the racial dynamic right up to today
Last time I looked Sony was one of the big media corps and the last time I looked they are from Japan
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How do you like my spelling ?
You know , Ive been feeling geneticly and melonomicly challenged, with all the inventions these white people have made that deplete the oxzone, my white skin is severly jeaprodised
I always though that the lack of unsightly body hair was an evolution up for the human species
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@ destructure:
POC, POC, POC. Yes, that just screams angry. 😉
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Destructure
“Jews are smart and have worked hard. They’ve earned they’re success. Crawl off their backs.”
I don’t resent their success or their networking. I resent the anti-white bias that is clearly seen in their media, immigration laws, anthropology and history departments. I resent their role as organizer for anti-white minority rebels and I resent their leading role in multiculturalism.
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@mira if you accept one set of numbers from the department of justice then you must accept another. If one set of numbers are disputed then you MUST dispute them all. It’s selective truth.
For instance it was all fine and dandy when Zimmerman’s character and past criminal record and his arrest picture was portrayed all over the news and on here. Then when that was turned around(which I agree was bs) on Treyvon it was “The thuggification of Trayvon Martin” But if you want to play hardball whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
If you don’t want to accept the numbers on violent crime and dispute them……. Then If Abagond wanted to really be fair he would say that well there are alot of child sex crimes in the black community that go unreported, there are alot of 14,15 year old girls getting pregnant by older men that also go unreported. So that may be bridge the gap a little.
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However, these white men that do this need help. We need to start teaching our young men to respect women and to become men themselves in the traditional sense.
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Abagond
“You are not white-centric – you just want every one to act white? Huh?”
I want American culture and heritage preserved. This heritage does not involve blaming others for one’s shortcomings or an 80% out of wedlock birth rate.
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Abagond
“I deleted Inconvenient’s comments for using a racial slur, just as I deleted one of yours for the same reason.”
I used no racial slur – “boy” is not a slur.
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Brotherwolf
“I don’t blame whites. I blame whiteness and everything that comes with it. That is not the same as white people although many of you do live it as a religion.
And that old excuse about whites, not Jews controlling whatever, is played out. Even if they don’t consider themselves white, they are still considered ‘white’ by American race standards.
You know, I wonder if your gene pool is contaminated. I wonder if there is something biologically wrong with your ability to properly and rationally think and feel. I wonder if they are both inferior to that of POC.”
Feel good getting that racism out? You sir, are black and proud.
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Abogond
“You will never see it because you assume American society is more or less fair and just. Therefore blacks have only themselves to blame. Given the country’s history that is not a common-sense position.”
You can’t change history son – I guess you’ll have your crutch permanently.
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Brahms wrote…..
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/crime/taco-bell-shooting-victim-was-holding-leash-not-weapon-4-4-2012
Where is the national media coverage? Where are the white rallies? Where’s David Duke? I can’t wait for the BS double-standard from the black-centrists on this one.”
Abagond wrote…….
I covered that already:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/selective-outrage/
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Woah hold the phone abagond you did not cover that case , nor did the media that really has me pissed. The guy killed a handicap person walking a dog and not only did they not arrest him they didn’t release his name. Don’t skip over it like that abagond I really lost some respect for you there. Don’t lie like that.
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Number four is interesting. There is this thinking with many white people that black people are out to get them one way or another after slavery. Can’t you see? The black-on-white crimes are “proof”. White people fear blacks who seek retribution. If black people were so keen on vengeance, white people would have been already done away with a long time ago.
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@leigh by the way how is your “invitation only” ” I hate white people” blog coming along. lol:0
By the way that’s how “exclusive” clubs got started……you are on your way.
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@ Dave
No, I did not cover the Taco Bell shooting itself. But the principle in that post applies to it: whites can generally trust the police and courts to do the right thing, blacks cannot.
In the Taco Bell case if the police and the mayor and state attorney, etc, were all black and had a history of being soft on black-on-white murders, and if there was a history of white lynchings and newly-won white civil rights, then, yes, whites would and should be outraged and protest and all that. Because it would look like they are letting him get away with murder. But that murder does not take place in that historical and institutional context.
Many whites, like Brahms, act like there is no history and that blacks and whites are equally powerful or at least can trust the institutions of society equally. But that is not real.
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I found some racists in Chicago y’all:
Some communities are not very happy to have them. Chatham, where generations of African-American teachers, lawyers and other professionals have called home, has seen an influx of former CHA residents with vouchers — about 120 of them.
“It has been disastrous for Chatham,” said Keith Tate, president of Chatham-Avalon Park Community Association.
“Never did we see individuals sitting on their cars drinking 40-ounce bottles of beer.”
http://www.suntimes.com/11719228-417/neighborhoods-of-cha-relocations-experienced-higher-crime-rates.html
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Abagond
No, they are probably all white or hispanic yet they did not arrest the black shooter – where’s the institutional racism, where’d it go?
– there’s the BS double standard I was hoping for!
Go ahead and throw in “blacks cannot be racist by definition” – it would fit nicely.
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Found some more racists
“There is nothing more painful for me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery — and “then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.” Double J
The former Charleston, S.C., chief of police, Reuben Greenberg, said the problem facing black America is not racial profiling. Greenberg. who is black, said, “The greatest problem in the black community is the tolerance for high levels of criminality.”
Former Los Angeles police Chief Bernard Parks, also black, defending racial profiling, said: “It’s not the fault of the police when they stop minority males or put them in jail. It’s the fault of the minority males for committing the crime. In my mind, it is not a great revelation that if officers are looking for criminal activity, they’re going to look at the kind of people who are listed on crime reports.”
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Chief Bernard Parks raises an interesting point. On the one hand, blacks say they’re aware of the crime problem and want to do something about it. On the other hand, police are accused of profiling when they try to do something about it. Very interesting.
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Yes and add to that the code of not snitching on fellow blacks and you see how much blacks are concerned with crime in their neighborhoods. They may be concerned but not as concerned as they are for them racist whites.
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Simply amazing.
Reading these comments have proven to me, yet again, that the white mind set is far more diseased than I’ll ever know.
For the folks who say ” Get over it” and “Stop using slavery as an excuse” would you tell Americans who lost their loved ones in 9/11 to get over it?
Would you demand a rape victim who suffers from PTSD to just get over it? Imperialism created this mess. Denial and blatant racism permits the continuation for the next generations to come. Instutionalized racism is very real, practiced everywhere, especially in law enforcement where the klan were the cops, judges, bailiffs, etc.
Whites are simply unable to own up to the fact that they created the very system they’ve know come to loathe. Black men are blamed, targeted, hunted, profiled and killed to keep up the illusion of the black savage beast. It was and is done on purpose.
To anyone here who claims that history has no effect on the present, you are in denial, ignorant or stupid. Willfully so. Are there black men who are criminals and need to be locked up? Yes. But so are other men who commit crimes of any race.
The media, run by rich white males, tells you who and what they want you to believe is your next “big threat.” A dark face makes it more palpable. And you believe it, without question.
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@Brahms
Took two years in the black-run Caribbean to realize how common this trait is.
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@brahms:
“Wake up son. Of course Jews made Germany a racist place – I suppose Jews have been kicked out of countries over 100 times because people didn’t like matza balls? Your historic knowledge is weak – look into the changes in German culture leading up to Hitler’s overwhelming support. The topic is not relevant here.”
Thank you very much. I was expecting this but thanks for confirming it. So, my son, you are a neo nazi. That explains everything you do here. 😀
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@brahms:
“Yes and add to that the code of not snitching on fellow blacks and you see how much blacks are concerned with crime in their neighborhoods.”
No snitching? Oh boy you are childish! Show me two criminals and I’ll show you one snitch. Most criminals will be snitched, white or black.
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@ ABAGOND
Why Black Crime Statistics cannot be trusted –
Given the racist history and current racial climate in the US, I can’t unequivocally trust all “black” crime statistics as factual. Slavery By Another Name author, Douglas Blackmon’s research, among many others, have demonstrated whiteness’ predilection for skewing all things relating to blacks in the most possible negative way.
It’s been shown in virtually countless staggering criminal justice/race studies in America that white people via their skin privilege, are indicted, prosecuted, imprisoned less, or given second/third chances, or simply excused/dismissed more than non-whites.
There’s a rather obvious long historical trend of whites murdering black people – and getting away with it. No, not ALL the time but certainly more times than white society would care to admit or reveal.
There’s an awful lot of white on black violent crime that is not reported as such. Instead they are often excused as “unfortunate” accidents, or by some other “justifiable” bogus category (ie self-defense) aside from it being what it is/was: murder, homicide, manslaughter, et al.
It has also been discussed and established on this blog how America’s historical disregard for black person-hood that originated in slavery is still a prevailing, lingering frame in the minds and attitudes of those who subscribe to the White Racial Frame. The mishandling of: evidence, procedural processes, plus witness tampering coupled with the utter white implicit bias as viewed in the GZ/Martin and Prof Gates cases, among many others, lends support to why whites in Law Enforcement/Legal System can hardly be trusted to annotate and document truthful crime stats, especially those statistics related to black criminality, or black victim-hood when/where whites are involved.
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sam
It’s interesting how I was the only person who actually spoke out against the anti-semitism. Apparently, it didn’t bother abagond’s acolytes too much. As for you, I’ve seen no evidence you’re sincerely concerned about Jews themselves. Rather, you’re just happy to have the opportunity to smear him as evidenced by that great big smiley. And that explains everything you do here, as well.
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Wow this conversation is soooooooooo deep!
This is what I observe as a young Black teenage girl, White people, for the most part, get away with crime. Look at Casey Anthony. Only some of them get caught.
Not a lot of Blacks have the privileges to get away with crime unless they are OJ Simpson, Michael Jackson and other rich and famous Blacks. I am not saying Michael Jackson and OJ Simpson were guilty, in fact, I thought Michael Jackson was innocent but not sure about OJ. Anyways in the media’s eyes, Black people commit the most crime because most of the crime you hear about is from a Black man or woman. They do report crime from other races and nationalities such as the shooting of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman, a mixed raced man of half Pervuian and Jewish heritage though, I know I am not a criminal or bad person but someone might think so because of the color of my skin. And if I am falsely accused of murder, I doubt I would get out of jail unless I had enough money to get myself a good lawyer. Or if I am rich and famous. I don’t know, all I know is AMerica is not a country of racial equality in terms of education, work, housing etc.
@Truthbetold
I agree with you because you really have a point. Years of colonization and internalized racism makes people think that the face of a criminal is a Black person’s face. As well as actions of bad Blacks who make their own race of people look bad. I am Black and I have seen Whites watch me over in a store just because they felt that I might steal something. They hardly do that to their own White people, do they?
They always tell us to get over it but we can forgive the Whites for what they did to us but not forget. We can’t forget how they raped my foremothers. We can’t forget how they made our ancestors work day and night in he cotton fields, well sugarcane plantations for me because my family comes from Jamaica. We can’t forget the beatings from the whip they received from the White slave master. We can’t forget how Jim Crow laws and segregation kept us away from our White counterparts back in the day. We can’t forget seeing a dead Black man hanging from the tree because he was lynched. We can’t forget how inhuman our ancestors felt when they were put on that boat and carried out in chains like herded animals to the ”New World”. We can’t forget how Whites justified their slavery by using the Bible to cover up their evil deeds. We can’t forget how they(Whites back in the day) set up this system where Blacks can’t really owe up to much or get away with much really. How Blacks can be blamed for something false and people still believe it, kind of like Michael Jackson.
Most of these things have affected the future and how people see Blacks. I would like for us to live in a country where races of all people live together in harmony and peace. Sadly it is not that way, we still go through racism and Whites benefit from it.
@Brahms
I know you probably see America as the most perfect place in the world for anyone to live in. Not for Blacks and other minorities like me.I know this because I knew this White girl back in 6th grade and she thought America was the best country ever and that nothing ever goes wrong in this country. I am not saying America is hell for us but it is tougher to live in this country because we don’t have the privilege of being White, bright, light eyes etc.. Or having money either, which minorities don’t have. I don’t think you can relate to minorities . And I am not racist at all just an observer of what happens between the races and the country in general.
And this is all from the perspective of a young Black teenage girl and what I observe and see most of the time.
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bulanik
That probably took you a long time to write but I’ll debunk it in 5 seconds with one simple observation: You make claims but you don’t support them.
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@ Adeen
Spot on! Well said.
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Abagond
All de (& di) things REAL RACISTS aka race realists come here to do:
Deny, delude, defraud, debacle, derail, devalue, deal out, decry, deform, debase, decant, decree, deceive, decimate, divide, deflect, diminish, defame, defile, delay, divert and deride.
Note: This is only the short “d” list.
1 – WHO takes racist white people that do ALL the above, seriously??
2 – WHY would such people be deserving of y(our) respect/decorum?
3 – HOW many racists have you witnessed CHANGED by force of logic/debate/reason?
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Spot on! Well said.
But not very well-supported. The only evidence any of you ever offer is “cuz I said so!”
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All de (& di) things REAL RACISTS aka race realists come here to do:
Maybe so. But there’s one thing blacks don’t come here to do — support their arguments.
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@ Destruction
We don’t need to support our arguments.
We’re living proof of the argument.
And you are living proof of the root cause.
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@Bulanik
destructure said: That probably took you a long time to write but I’ll debunk it in 5 seconds with one simple observation: You make claims but you don’t support them.
LOL. Just because he says it aint so then it CAN’T be – surely you dont need more validation than that do you 😉
I love the way that these individuals source articles that merely support their bias without even trying to make a balanced and logical argument.
I too have noticed that the subject of Paedophilia and the statistics therin makes the most vocal of commenters become mute….I suspect that it doesnt enable them to make the same biased arguments as usual…
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[Cleonette
Maybe some of you should do some studying on the pineal gland. Blacks have an active pineal gland while majority of whites have a calcified one. Studies indicate that the active pineal gland in blacks and other minority groups actually account for a higher moral standard. I have never committed any crime or violent act, and I don’t know very many people personally who have. This makes me wonder where in the world they come up with the numbers for statistics that perpetuate these outrageous claims of inherently bad people. ]
The Pineal gland affect sleep and wake patterns it has nothing to do with moral standards people in the metaphysics field say it is associated with space time stuff
http://www.crystalinks.com/thirdeyepineal.html
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@ Matari:
My answers – 1. Not I; can’t speak for anyone else. 2. They aren’t – not in my book. 3. None, nada, zip, zilch, zero…
That’s just my take on it. Good questions! 😎
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Albinism espieally total epidermal albinism and even partial epidermal albinism to be produced requires a harsher environment and results in a extremely aggressive population.
Hatred and deciet by these populations against more and fully melenieated populations from gentler climates is therefore predictable.
Also albinic phenotype populations are genetically subordinate AND astheically inferior ,further motives for aggression and deciet.
What does this have to do with this particular blogs topic
(The white racist guide to black crime)?
1.In a cursory browse of comments it seems too many still ask why white(albinic) people act the way they do.
2.Notice how the “criminal” african american male has short hair in a wave pattern.
This due to the enforced belief that straight hair is an exclusively albinic(white) phenotypic trait as well as a inherently superior one.
This male has throughout its entire life been treated with abouse and sorn primarly by its own family and comunity at the behest of the albinic(white) community.
But we still say we don’t know why.
I’m beginining to wonder have black people ever cared or do we just like to say we do.
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The racial bias of the media is evident by looking at how the media (and community) is treating Trayvon Martin, a victim of homicide versus TJ Lane, a young man who murdered several of his classmates in Ohio around the same time that Trayvon was killed.
TJ Lane has been largely protected from media scrutiny. He has been quickly ushered out of the spotlight. I’ve seen almost no one trying to dissect his life to show that he was a bad seed and what he did was a natural result of who/how he was. As a matter of fact one of the first things that was said about TJ Lane was, “This is not about bullying. This is not about drugs. This is someone who is not well.” Again, a wholesome(we won’t know because no one will attempt to dig up any dirt on him) White teen kills (as several of them have done) only because of mental illness. It’s impossible that he was simply a monster, thug, or a naturally inclined criminal. They’ve attempted to paint Trayvon that way though. A White racists even hacked into Trayvon’s email account to try prove that he was no saint and therefore was not a bad candidate to be murdered.
Has anyone, Black or White, attempted to dig up any dirt of anyone of TJ Lane’s victims to prove that one of them was somewhat deserving of being executed by this boy? I sure haven’t seen it. Yet these racists (including some of the posters here) don’t hesitate to justify why a Black victim brought on his/her own murder. Shows how sick these people are and the media encourages it.
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destructure
“Blacks don’t have hair.”
I don’t get it.
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truthbetold
“Simply amazing……..
…..The media, run by rich white males, tells you who and what they want you to believe is your next “big threat.” A dark face makes it more palpable. And you believe it, without question.”
Yeah, I really can’t understand how something that happened so long ago can affect you personally. The media is not owned by whites.
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Demerera
“Took two years in the black-run Caribbean to realize how common this trait is.
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Yes, when you are living in a population that is maybe 98% black, one can really see the pathology. Maybe blacks in America see more white pathology than I give them credit for – if so, they should be able to cite examples. I am not immune to criticizing whites so seems like I would see it too. I see problem whites as being a very small percentage and I even see more problem blacks – considering blacks are 15% here….you get what I’m saying.
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@destructure
I will have to say for me personally when I see something offensive (like a racist remark) I do not personally respond to it because someone else might (like you against the sand n-word and “Jew” blaming remarks or other posters against “criminal’, low-intellect, bad genes Blacks remarks). I don’t see what difference it would make for me stating that it is rude comment when someone else already has. My silence is not condoning the racist statement and I don’t feel that all of the other posters are condoning those sorts of statement either. But what is troubling to me is that you only speak out against vicious remarks against groups that may not fall into the category of Black. I believe that you are against prejudice but only for particular groups. If that is the case then why is that? If you have already explained why then just link your comment where you did so if you have the time (I’m still slightly new to the site and I’m not sure about how to search ALL comments without checking every post individually).
@Bulanik, @ Adeen
Wow, very insightful.
@Brahms
O.o…”choose my friends wisely”…Okay, I think you may have misunderstood my post. It was not to show POC banding together against Whites. I do not hate nor condone the hating of Whites. You don’t know how uncomfortable I get when people start tossing around “Nazi” comments because I feel that it is a bad stigma for all Germans (My great grandfather, a German immigrant , WAS NOT a Nazi). But I also don’t condone the hatred of POC by Whites or other POC. I just wanted to show that POC can band together and see each other in the same light. That is all.
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Sam
“Thank you very much. I was expecting this but thanks for confirming it. So, my son, you are a neo nazi. That explains everything you do here. ”
No Nazi, just honest and informed. But you’re welcome nonetheless. I do believe get along better if they live amongst themselves but I’m not opposed to an experiment which groups enlightened people of all races together – I’d like to see that in practice wouldn’t you? Of course I would rather live with educated blacks than trailer trash whites – no, I’m not as Nazi-like as you think.
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sam
“No snitching? Oh boy you are childish! Show me two criminals and I’ll show you one snitch. Most criminals will be snitched, white or black.”
Rephrase that for this white man will you?
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Adeen
@Brahms
I know you probably see America as the most perfect place in the world for anyone to live in. ……. bright, light eyes etc.. Or having money either, which minorities don’t have. I don’t think you can relate to minorities . And I am not racist at all just an observer of what happens between the races and the country in general.”
Tell me about your observations. I cannot agree that minorities are kept down – I don’t see it. What keeps them down specifically?
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truthbetold
“We don’t need to support our arguments.
We’re living proof of the argument.
And you are living proof of the root cause.”
That is the black problem in prose my friend.
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@ Brahms
Whites don’t run the media, you say?
What planet do you live on?
Never mind.
Today is Good Friday. My family, ALL OF THEM, is coming over and I won’t make myself crazy today. No TV, no radio, just family time.
To everyone else:
God Bless you all.
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deedee
“But I also don’t condone the hatred of POC by Whites or other POC. I just wanted to show that POC can band together and see each other in the same light. That is all.”
But you are OK with an organizing principle that puts all nonwhites in one group and leaves whites by themselves? – that would be 92% to 8% world population by the way.
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truthbetold
“Whites don’t run the media, you say?
What planet do you live on?”
Here’s Joel STEIN talking about it:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183.column
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@Brahms
Yes, when you are living in a population that is maybe 98% black, one can really see the pathology.
I still dont get your reference to the Caribbean, please dont tell me your generalisations extend that far, to a place i’m pretty sure you havent been to let alone lived in. If you are talking about migrants from the Caribbean to the U,S, you cant escape the fact that the environment and societal influences would have a dramatic effect on their behaviours and actions and it is incorrect to say otherwise.
It seems to me that from your posts, you are always harkening back to the most emotionally upsetting and frustrating times in your life. I get that you felt you were always on the outside looking in and I also get that you had a hard time. You are not alone in this but others dont wear it like a cloak, trying to mask their behaviours and motivations therein like you do.
Honestly? You need to get out – experience the world and get a balanced view of what life is really like. Whilst the U.S is a massive country, in terms of the ROtW, it is merely a small reflection of individuals who unfortunately seem to be immersed in either one PoV or another.
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@Brahms
But you are OK with an organizing principle that puts all nonwhites in one group and leaves whites by themselves? – that would be 92% to 8% world population by the way.
If the odds are that stacked why do you feel the need to rail against it so? Surely the teeny tiny minority that post on here are not a threat to you in your day to day life OR is this your attempt at supressing anyone who doesnt aspire to your PoV?
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@Brahms
I just never put much thought into the term POC. Like Adeen, I prefer the we are all human approach yet people hold onto race very strongly at times. I assumed that POC is used in countries where we are the minority. When majority is read as “White” then is it really wrong for minority groups to see the difference with the majority and Identify as a POC in a smaller setting? I mean I can walk into a store and see an “ethnic” hair section or “ethnic” food section and I feel that implies that minority groups in America are viewed as different and that are needs are different from the majority. This is not something that we have done but company owner who want to cater to a certain market. When others point out differences is it really wrong to acknowledge them?
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“Maybe so. But there’s one thing blacks don’t come here to do — support their arguments.”
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Some of us do not come here to continually waste our time engaging the terminally deluded. Once I understand that a poster is a troll, it becomes rather obvious that the truth, regardless of its overwhelming factual support, or presentation, will never be received by persistent and pathetic racists.
All the “support…” in the world can’t/won’t change a defective/cracked soul.
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@Brahms
I see Whites getting off despite their wrong doings all the time and hear about it too. I am only 16 and my bullies last year got away with makng me feel bad and telling me that I am worthless and a second class citizen because I am Black. This White guy, who used to say that he hates Black girls. Casey Anthony got off because of lack of evidence and because she is White. If Casey Anthony was Black, she would be in jail right now.
Internalized racism and the racist judical system keeps minorities down. Blacks and other minorities are kept down by the media and White culture telling them that they aren’t worth anything and that White is better and superior, Whites are more likely to get hired to jobs and promotions than non Whites because Whites are supposedly ”better” people. That is why it is easier for a White person to become big in Hollywood because minorities have to deal with sterotypes that were created and internalized in their cultures and races. Black and Latino men are constantly put in jail because they are ”bad” and do ”bad” things” which a lt of them do and for no reason as well. The judical system doesn’t help Blacks every much unless they are rich and have money or celebrities.
Blacks and other Minorites go though housing discrimination and White schools still get more funding than Black schools.
I am not trying to blame everything on Whites because that is not what I want to do. I want to answer your question, that is all. I have nothing against Whites but I just think that that the bad Whites from back in the day, Christopher Columbus etc make Whites as a whole look bad. And the horrible ones today such as Donald Trump.Yes, there is still a lot of horrible and racist Whites but they are bad and racist people in every race and enthnicity.
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@ Brahms,
Did I see you try to use the Caribbean as your example of pathology up there ? Because I highly doubt you have a clue.
a. The carribean is not “black run”.
b. There is no “pathology”
Take this from someone who has many family members from the Caribbean and visits there regularly.
Also, you realize racism didn’t suddenly stop the minute black people (in America) were freed a certain part of the country, right? Your realize black people have only just gotten the right to vote within many people’s lifetimes, right? Also, haven’t you heard of a micro aggression?
Last time I checked, you can’t will the truth away by erasing history or the experiences people deal with every day, right?
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@Ace
a. The carribean is not “black run”
When you say this, i’m not sure what you mean. Sure, many Islands in the West Indies were colonised either by the Spanish, British or French but the vast majority of them have gained independence from their colonisers.
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Why are we talking about the Caribbean? Ironic because my family is from the Caribbean as well as Ace’s, Jamaica to be exact and I wouldn’t say the Caribbean is exactly ”Black run”.
Anyways I agree with Dee. I see people as humans but we live in a racist society where everything is about race. Race this race that and I want this to stop!
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Demerera
“If the odds are that stacked why do you feel the need to rail against it so? Surely the teeny tiny minority that post on here are not a threat to you in your day to day life OR is this your attempt at supressing anyone who doesnt aspire to your PoV?”
The tiny minority would be whites at 8%.
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Hey Brahms, when are you going on vacation again?
My problem is what to do about the sect of blacks (most here fall in it) who will not respect even a non-racist white.
Well being a black centered nigress or whatever the he__ you call it, here is my suggestions: Provide us with shopping expenses for clothing, PURSES, FOOTWEAR, cosmetics, trips to the salon/spa, several all expense paid vacations a year(luxury ones not those cheap all inclusive ones to one star hotels during hurricane season)!, Belgian Chocolate(this would tie in nicely with the luxury vacation!), manwhores!, luxury abodes furnished to the hilt! That’s for starters!
The only answer I see is a split among blacks – you guys keep up the “white-racist society” stuff and the normal blacks can carry on.
The ‘normal blacks’___Aka kerchief heads, Stepinfetchit pros!
I have never and will never associate with true racist whites; blacks need to think on that.
What? All this time I thought you were a white supremacyst! The only thing I am thinking on right now is what I’m going to have for dinner! Steak or stuffed salmon?
Now, I beg you to still call me…or rather call black people hypocrites again after reading this, if you read it that is.”
Why do you care what he calls you as long as it ain’t late for dinner?
Racist
Now hold on pardner!
(hell, maybe all whites right?).
Just the ones who refuse to keep me in purses and footwear, yeah you!
I mean, who could come up with guys like Brahms or these guys in fiction??
MAD magazine son!
And yet black racist comments are allowed to stay on his site
It is his blog he can do what he wants! If he wishes to be the only cusser or hurl ‘racist, sexist’ and other comical names at people he can. If you don’t like it, contact blowitoutyourhole.com.
I see that fake paternalism and telling blacks what to do is a habit that dies hard.
Come on now, you’re hurting Pappy’s feelings!
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Are you white-centric? Are you racist?
Like most whites, he is genuinely concerned for the ‘coloured’. That is mighty white of him! Thank you sah(tears rolling down my cheeks!).
I’m not white-centric, I’m a believer in merit. I welcome all who want to be polite and responsible citizens – but that means acting white
Folks, this is the kind of thinking produced when close relatives breed generation after generation! Remember that movie ‘The Hills have Eyes’? Here is but another example of this___but not as bad as the movie.
I want American culture and heritage preserved.
See above.
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You make claims but you don’t support them.
Neither do you loon. Posting news items from the white dominated media doesn’t count.
Listen clown, Why are you here? So you can act as comic fodder? You are to be derided and made short work of, not read and responded to in a serious manner. You are starting to pi^^ me off. I come here to learn of other black p[perspectives in the diaspora, not some deluded white racist clown that doesn’t know his arse from a hole in the ground. If I wanted such I would frequent stormfromt, chimp.com and similar sites. As it is you are a waste of oxygen here. You and your fellow buffoons should take a flying leap off the nearest cliff. If there isn’t any around, I will provide the transportation costs.
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I want American culture and heritage preserved.
Is that the culture brought from your European pilgrim fathers or the ones of the Native Americans, the indiginous people of the U.S?
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Adeen
“I am only 16 and my bullies last year got away with making me feel bad and telling me that I am worthless and a second class citizen because I am Black.”
Then I faced the same racism. Shake it off, you will be judged by your merit at some point.
“Casey Anthony got off because of lack of evidence and because she is White. If Casey Anthony was Black, she would be in jail right now.”
Not to be rude, but if you think the media went easy on Casey Anthony, you’re in trouble. The judicial system did what it does – win some lose some. OJ was also let off also. You must reconcile the media’s portrayal of Casey Anthony and your idea that the media keeps blacks down – seems the media was on your side.
“Blacks and other minorities are kept down by the media and White culture telling them that they aren’t worth anything and that White is better and superior”
Are you talking about hip hop videos and culture? Black movies? What?
When you talk about blacks not getting hired as much as whites – is there no other reason for that then racism? Simply start acting white – I know this is a radical thing to say but if you want to be successful its almost a guarantee for a black person; perhaps you already understand this. This may seem unfair but my ancestors had to stop acting Irish, Indians from India stop acting Indian, etc.. That’s the melting pot and it works – multiculturalism, where everybody flaunts their culture, does not.
“Black and Latino men are constantly put in jail because they are ”bad” and do ”bad” things” which a lot of them do and for no reason as well. The judicial system doesn’t help Blacks every much unless they are rich and have money or celebrities.”
You are making an argument about whites getting it easier in the courts – that’s your opinion but I don’t see it. I do see rich and famous people getting it easier probably because they can afford good lawyers. I don’t see the media portraying blacks and hispanics as evil – I see whites playing the roles of killer or evil person in almost all movies.
“Blacks and other Minorities go though housing discrimination and White schools still get more funding than Black schools.”
The housing part is probably true. I would blame blacks for this problem – even blacks don’t want section 8 blacks moving into their neighborhoods. If blacks didn’t commit the crime – whites, other races, and other responsible blacks wouldn’t care if they lived in their neighborhoods. There is no discrimination of upper-middle class or wealthy blacks. I would keep all section 8 people from getting into my neighborhood asmwell – white, black, etc..
School – true. Most taxes for schooling are from local taxes so if its a rich area you’ll have high tax revenue – no way to change that. But I really don’t think a lack of funds is the problem in black schools – do you? Will increasing funds change the mindset of blacks that ridicule good students with Uncle Tom and Oreo (at least in my day)?
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@Brahms
Then I faced the same racism. Shake it off, you will be judged by your merit at some point.
Thats just it Brahms, you havent shaken it off. Its still so raw for you and we see examples of this in most every comment you make on threads such as this.
Shame on you coming on here and saying this to Adeen.
Dig deeper Brahms and be a positive example to adolescents such as Adeen – the only thing she is learning from you is how to turn into a bitter wannabe troll.
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I give up on these stooges (Brahms, destructure, Bliff, and the like). Here’s what they firmly believe in despite evidence against them:
1. Blacks commit more crimes in America than whites.
2. Blacks commit more crimes against whites than the other way around ever.
3. The liberal media is ran by Jewish people who are not white. However, they present excellent evidence to back up the high black crime problem in their news reports.
4. Black people don’t worry about crime in their own neighborhood unless it’s committed by a white man.
5. Black people need to stop getting so upset with white-on-black crime which rarely happens ever.
6. Black people need to care and do something about black-on-white crime.
7. Black people blame racism on everything.
8. Black people are genetically deficient.
9. Black people glorify their thug and misogyny culture.
10. The problem with society is black culture.
11. History has nothing to do with what is happening today. It is purely the fault of black people for their problems.
12. Black people who side with what we think about blacks are proof that black people have serious problems with their culture.
13. We are not racists. We are race realists. It is black people who are the real racists.
I’m done. You can’t make a leopard change its spots. This conversation is seriously getting more more depressed than usual. (I’m not asking for sympathy. I’m just telling it like it is.) Any normal person would’ve committed suicide by now, but seeing as how we’re still here proves our strength against such madness.
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Adeen, research your history, research your culture, there is so much you can find that will give you strength, and confidence
When people do that, it is total insecurity, they have the problem not you
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Demerera
“Thats just it Brahms, you havent shaken it off. Its still so raw for you and we see examples of this in most every comment you make on threads such as this.
Shame on you coming on here and saying this to Adeen.
Dig deeper Brahms and be a positive example to adolescents such as Adeen – the only thing she is learning from you is how to turn into a bitter wannabe troll.”
I did face some racism; I also was aided by several honorable blacks. I have dislike for you and other dishonorable black-centrists on this site; a position which I’ve made clear.
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brothawolf
“I give up on these stooges (Brahms, destructure, Bliff, and the like). Here’s what they firmly believe in despite evidence against them:
1. Blacks commit more crimes in America than whites.”
I gotta stop you right there. Are you a complete imbecile? After all the pages of discussion, you still believe that my point (and others) is that blacks commit MORE crime than whites?
They commit more crime per capita; they commit 50% of the murders while making up ONLY 12% of the population- note, that is not MORE, not MORE.
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I love it.
Is that anything like morons giving birth to morons? No? Oh I see, only the unfavorable conditions are passed on, like reading-phobia. Please understand, this happens on the white side too but blacks have shown a superior relish for dysgenics.
Imagine if all white trailer trash suddenly increased their birth rate by 200% – this is what has happened to the black community. Its happening in all communities in the West – is that racist of me?
Professor GT, take note of the definition sir,
Dysgenics (also known as cacogenics) is the study of factors producing the accumulation and perpetuation of defective or disadvantageous genes and traits in offspring of a particular population or species.
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@ Brahms,
Talk about selective reading. I am not talking the inheritance of unfavorable genes – i am talking about the inheritance of unfavorable environmental circumstances that allow the nearly identical genetic makeup that people of Black and White background to manifest in the worst possible ways.
i.e.
A (White/Black( parent who doesn’t read to their (White/Black) 8 year old child before bed because they are too busy working the night shift to get by.
Having had less words read to you accumulates over the 18 years preceding secondary school and has long term detrimental effects on a child’s verbosity, capacity for formal operations, developmental arc etc.
Then take into the consideration of incessant bullying, stigmatization, unfavorable learning circumstances, and a WHITE-centred education system.
These are just a few of the ingredients to the cultivation of a permanent underclass.
Which is not what I am saying exists.
Because despite the extremely improbable odds, the vast majority of Blacks have transcended the pitfalls of white racist society to become highly educated and perseverant.
How many days of your life have you faced systemic oppression? What do you know about being Black in America?
*Listens to crickets chirp*
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*having less words read/said to you
** accumulates over the 18 years preceding post-secondary school
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@ Brahms,
If you want to own your explicit racist beliefs you need to own everything that goes with them – including the blindness to how the books have been cooked at a macro and micro level for Black America since they were stolen from Africa and forced into lifelong slavery and brutalizing punitive treatments.
You try and break a people’s spirit for generations yet they manage to survive and thrive. Now you try and do it some more with your race realist nonsense.
Get a clue: you are the EVIL that you are looking for. Own it.
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@Brahms
I did face some racism; I also was aided by several honorable blacks. I have dislike for you and other dishonorable black-centrists on this site; a position which I’ve made clear.
WTF has that got to do with your response to Adeen? I too faced adversity, but I have also been embraced by people who shared the same hue as my detractors. So what? Do you think that after 20 odd years I am gonna let those f*ckers define me? Forget that. Maybe, and I concede that it may be different for the likes of you, your more recent experiences differ to mine. The same people who tried to f*ck me over because of who I am and what I was, are the same people trying to befriend me or get into my knickers! Neither appeals to me – their base humanity cannot be that far beneath the surfaces and I do not wish to taint my day to day life with this. That being said, as a teenager, these interactions feel like the ‘be all and end all’ of life and I understand this AS DO YOU so I was naturally disappointed with your flippant response.
Quite frankly, I think I have been more than patient with you and whilst at times I have pulled your leg, I havent dismissed your comments. This peevish response from you suggests that I have hit a nerve – I am neither dishonourable nor disingenuos and I refute your accusations.
I dont think that its too much to ask that when you speak to young, potentially impressionable people that you tailor your response accordingly. I see no reason for them to have to absorb your lifelong and irrational grudge against Black people due to your own bitterness.
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*I have dislike for you and other dishonorable black-centrists on this site; a position which I’ve made clear.*
It is this part in particular which I refer to in my response above
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@Brahms
I gotta stop you right there. Are you a complete imbecile? After all the pages of discussion, you still believe that my point (and others) is that blacks commit MORE crime than whites?
They commit more crime per capita; they commit 50% of the murders while making up ONLY 12% of the population- note, that is not MORE, not MORE.
Don’t try to make me out to be the moron here. If I hadn’t said it, it would’ve been said sooner or later by someone who agrees with everything you, destructure, Bliff, Dave, or even Doug, who’s not here for some odd reason, said.
And that reminds me of two extra themes I see repeating themselves over and over again:
14: White people are right about everything including the subjects of race and racism. Black people who agree are honorable.
15. White people do not commit any wrongful acts against blacks. The ones that did in history does not count.
And if black people do commit 50% of the murders in this country per capita, not saying that I agree with you because I don’t, then pray tell, what percent of murders do whites commit?
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The silence is deafening.
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@Bulanik
That comment by Brahms about his ancestors giving up their cultural identity is sad. I think some people fail to realize that the “melting pot” was a idea to get white “ethnics” (German, Italian, Czech, Irish, etc.) to meld into one and be like the dominant Anglo-Saxon Protestants (Brits). Non-whites were never apart of the picture.
http://amst312.umwblogs.org/2009/03/20/the-day-we-celebrate/
That’s a racist depiction of Irishmen around the mid to late 1800s. To be “ethnic” was to be assumed a criminal and a lowly human being. It is recycled for any group of people that don’t assimilate into the dominate American culture. Screw being accepted by someone who hates who you are as a person. Why should the “ethnic” folks have to change? America was built (literally) by immigrants (both forced and consenting), hard working individuals who wanted the best for themselves and their families. They were stereotyped as being stupid, lazy, and ruthless. They were none of those things….and no one group of people have the right to define what is the norm and the way everyone should be..That to me is a ridiculous notion.
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@Brahm
I am so hurt by your comment because you are saying that I am racist. Yes there is Black on White racism but i don’t condone it. I am not a Afrocentrist and nor do care to me.I believe in equality for all. I consider you a cyber bully. And I am NOT dumb just because I am a Black teenager.
@DeeDee7789
You have a point but some Whites still don’t see Jews, Irish, Poles not Italians as White.
I am just so upset right now.
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Adeen….he has the problem , not you, dont let people who are frustrated, bounce you off the wall
The truth is, he doesnt know how to reach out to you. He doesnt recognise your humanity
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Adeen, Don’t let Brahm get to you. He thinks you are lesser than human because you have dark skin. Therefore anything he says to you is colored by his personal bias. That is like getting upset at Hitler or David Duke. They do not have the truth, only their flawed empirical version of it. You are obviously intelligent and thoughtful. And you come from a STRONG stock of people. You should pity him. Think about his profound ignorance and pity him. Pity someone who has to make a Black teenager feel bad. Pity him because he feels the need to come to black blogs and tell Black people that we are intellectually inferior. Pity him because he comes here day after day angry that we do not agree with his assessment of our perceived “inferiority”. Pity him above all because he is pitiful. Pick your chin up girl. We come from people who survived the transatlantic voyage. And from those are the people who survived disease. From that are the people who survived slavery. From that are the people who survived sharecropping and Jim Crow. We are the living pin point of strength. We never had to survive off the back and hard works of others. We have never had to suppress another peoples in order to rise. Pick. Up. Your. Chin. Don’t EVER feel bad because a jackal considers your prey. Arm yourself with knowledge. Because if we were have as stupid as we claimed, he wouldn’t come around trying to bring us down. Which is an exercise in futility. We are not going to their blogs, sweetheart. THEY are coming to OURS and trying to tell us that we are stupid…all the while arguing with the objects of their scorn. It speaks volumes.
*hugs*
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@Adeen
Something to remember is that people who are mean to you for no reason can be people who find flaws within themselves and try to bring others down to build themselves back up. Those people are hurting too but that is no excuse for them to be cruel. You must be doing something right that makes them jealous so keep it up and keep your eyes on your hopes, wishes and dreams because you will reach them. Don’t worry about others and just focus on you. You have a bright future ahead.
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Adeen, take everything Brahms says with a grain of salt. He has a condition: diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain. He’s an odious breeze on a hot day. No one should make you feel less than what you are. From what I’ve read of your posts, you’re a kind, beautiful, intelligent, young woman with a strong head on your shoulders. You are so wise beyond your years and you have so much to offer the world. Though I have never met you, I have so much respect for you. Keep your head up and stay strong, Adeen. 🙂
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Only a pig attacks a young girls self esteem. Only a pig.
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Yeah , Adeen, there comes a time when I guess you have to start forging your ” creep detector ” antenna, and , if you are black in America, you have to include the ” white racist creep detector” antenna
Then you put it on……and walk right through them
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Adeen,
I wish I knew then what I know now at your age. I was too lost in a false euphoria that racism is dead and black people are free. If I hadn’t “awoken” from my long sleep, I may have been the kind of black person who may have sided with Brahms.
I will admit that going back-and-forth with people like Brahms and destructure is draining especially if you try not to give into their object white racial mindset that they deny having. It’s taxing and stressful to constantly resist this matrix of whiteness that surrounds us, and it beaten into our heads by overt racists like the people who appear here.
What Brahms and destructure here are doing is nothing more than cyber-bullying in the form of a race realist idealism, and they are too mentally and morally absent to realize that. Men (and women) like these fools are simply scared as hell of change and differences. They are petrified to death by the fact that black people are not as docile as they would want them to be. They fear that black people, POC, and even some whites are not so intellectually, morally and even spiritually subservient to the will of white supremacy, the only thing that means the world to people like them.
Adeen, don’t let jackasses like Brahms get to you. It’s hard because what he said tears deep into your very being. It’s like being wounded by a gunshot to the heart. However, you possess the knowledge that can shield his and other projectiles. You possess what they lack: a brain, a heart, and a soul. You have what they want to control.
Don’t let them think that there is something wrong with you. The truth that they don’t want to face is that there is something wrong with them. I don’t know if there is a God, but if there is one, sooner or later they will have to answer to Him, and no amount of white privilege can save them.
Stay strong.
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@Bulanik, B.R., Darqbeauty and Leigh204
Thank you all for your thoughtful posts. I do have so much hopes and dreams. I hope to be a writer one day when I grow up and be a famous author.I want to date all of these Hollywood actors and be well known. And do what I love doing:writing.
@Leigh204
”From what I’ve read of your posts, you’re a kind, beautiful, intelligent, young woman with a strong head on your shoulders. You are so wise beyond your years and you have so much to offer the world. Though I have never met you, I have so much respect for you. Keep your head up and stay strong, Adeen”
Thank you for your words, Leigh. You are so kind
@Brahm
You only show me how cold and racist you are. People like you are the reason why America can’t go pass race in seeing humans. I am very upset at you and I want Abagond to kick you off of this site. I really mean it.
I just wish racism can end and people with racial problems like you can say this in my face!
@Bulanik,
LOL, I would love for you to tell me more about the Irish. Although my family are Blacks from the Caribbean, I have do have Irish roots. Well ancestral wise. I would love to talk to you.
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@Brothawolf
Thank you very much for your comments.
Honestly I don’t have much problems with Destructure because that blogger doesn’t bother me. Brahm does and you are right. I wouldn’t let that evil person get to me.
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@abagond………have you ever heard of a make up call by the refs who are biased towards one team……..then they make a bs call to make up for the disparity. Problem is when it is a human life fear of the media doesn’t compute. You should be as mad at black on white injustice as the other way around. Now you have set a president.
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I was mad at what happened to Treyvon. My boy who is five years old is best friends with a POC who is half black and half east asian. If something happened to him(his friend) I would be pissed. But what about a “white” person. Do they deserve no justice becuase of the assumption that all cops are biased toward blacks. Blull shatw,l
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@leigh I’m sorry. I see you as a nice person……my problem is how you see me.
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@Dave
I like your second comment. I am also mad at what happened to Trayvon as well. And NOT ALL cops are biased towards Blacks but a lot are. I have a little brother at home and I wonder if this will happen to him one day. I hope it doesn’t.
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@adeen I have a son and we live in a mixed area. He doesn’t see color and neither does his friend. However I get scared when he tries to take on older kids during outside play. Sometimes you will hear kids say “look at this crazy white kid” now they don’t view him as a threat………..yet so they don’t act on his aggressiveness. But when he’s older they might keep him down due to his race. It does go both ways. I hoped by the time he got older his race wouldn’t be a factor, but I don’t think the media wants that.
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Dave, congradulation for choosing to be in an integrated neighborhood. Your son is going to have very rich insights into life and the world, if he is open minded
What you have to instill in him is that, if someone is giving him a hard time, and its racialy motivated against him because he is white, its just mean people who happen to be black
That is Brahms problem. He got hassled by some people who happened to be black, then helped , even, by some people who happen to be black. Instead of grasping that, he has internalised hate against all black people ever since
I still dont see what is wrong with focusing on how black people are being mistaken for criminals , mistaken for having weapons, and getting killed for it. What is wrong with addressing that issue on its own?
Its like there are a whole lot of white people who just dont want to take the time to get to know people as individuals
A real wise person is going to be vigilant against the reality of each individual out there that could be a threat, not transfer it into race, if they do that, their own race is surly going to bite them in the rear for not being truly vigilant
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I mean really, that would happen to me all the time, growing up in an intergrated neighborhood, acualy realy socialising with my black freinds in a black neighborhood, or going to the south side or west side to do my gigs with all black bands.
Some individual might start hassling me , maybe even because Im white, and , then my freinds, or even just a good samartin would stick up for me, I never even for one minute equated one person with a whole race…..been burglarised too….guess what, been ripped off much worse by white people in scams
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@Adeen – Brahms is a brute and his comment to you was absolutely cruel and not in any way justifiable. He owes you an apology, if he has a conscience he would do that.
As a young Lady preparing to enter a world that throws all sorts of distorted imagery about Black women that aims to assault our womanhood. We have a double-burden of being Black and being female and have to deal with all kinds of negative mess but still we manage to Rise. If I were you I’d start reading (if you haven’t done so already) Bell Hooks, Angela Davis, and pick up Melissa Harris-Lacewell’s book “Sister Citizen” I just finished this and its brilliant!
@Brothawolf – I really love to read your commentary, I’ve been reading this blog for 2 years, and I’ve come to the conclusion that you are the Knight-in-Shining armor here.
@Ace, Leigh, DarqBeauty, Matari, Demerera, Deedee, Hernieth – I have to give you all standing O’s for your comments.
@Abagond – Have you heard of the “Horatio Alger” myth – the basis of the American dream/American exceptionalism/rags-to-riches/hard work = great gains mind set?
Brahms terrible response to Adeen up there made me think of it and how most white males like Brahms can just assume that “…you will be judged by your merit at some point.” When that is not the case.
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co-sign about brothawolf
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@Firebrand
Brahms terrible response to Adeen up there made me think of it and how most white males like Brahms can just assume that “…you will be judged by your merit at some point.” When that is not the case.
I think one of the most telling things that he said was this Simply start acting white – I know this is a radical thing to say but if you want to be successful its almost a guarantee for a black person; perhaps you already understand this.
This shows that he is aware of racism at all levels and other aspects of ‘perception’ yet he comes on here and accuses me of being dishonorable!!!!!!!!!!
BTW, I intend to look up some of the books you recommended to Adeen, they sound most interesting 🙂
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Abagond:
Whites don’t fear black thugs, they fear the “Other Brotha.” Sometimes, the “BTs” become colorblind and victimize white folks from time to time…Ish Happens! All of the crocodile tears are so phony black people. If Pookie and Man-Man are so dangerous, Why aren’t they locked up with the other deviants of society? A godless blackman with a gun is a racist whiteman’s best friend…Real Talk!
Tyrone
Free Aquarius
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@Bulanik
Have you also noticed that these last 2 threads, this one and “selective outrage” thread, exposed the predators and their modus operandi with the youngest commenters?
Unfortunately yes. In light of the ‘Racist Teens’ thread I hoped for more – silly me I guess…
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@Demerera – I did read that. But my most visceral reaction was to what he said to Adeen because it was so hurtful. And even to his point whites..or “ethnic” whites who emigrated had to “derascinate” themselves to become part of mainstream or normative whiteness (ex. Fred Astaire’s real surname was Austerlitz). The Irish, Russian, Germans, Italians all had their time running around in the nightmares of white anglo-american nativists, but unlike Blacks they could “normalize” whereas Black and Brown folks are always foreign.
As for the books – I have to recommend the following
Hooks- Ain’t I a Woman: Black Women and Feminism, Davis –
Women, Race, & Class, and I do encourage you grab Sister Citizen. Check out George Yancey’s – Black Bodies, White Gazes: The Continuing Significance of Race
@Bulanik – I also notice how there is no where near the same level of activity for the thread on Rekia or Chamberlain…strange is it not?
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@The Fire Brand
Thanks for the recommendations. Make him apology to me.
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Thanks, Firebrand and B.R.
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@B.R.
That is Brahms problem. He got hassled by some people who happened to be black, then helped , even, by some people who happen to be black. Instead of grasping that, he has internalised hate against all black people ever since.
That seems to be a common theme of why these people became racists–er, race realists. They were attacked by a group of blacks for no reason. Ergo, they became racist against them. Like I said in another comment, that one group of blacks manifested into millions of blacks or an entire race. That is some psychological malfunction if I ever heard one.
Then again, they could already have prejudices against blacks, and their supposed attack confirmed it. It makes their points load and clear. This makes me question if they did anything to provoke their attacks in the first place.
And then, there’s the possibility that there never were any attacks. You know, the old “phantom black man” routine we’ve heard in the news. A white person commits a crime and blames it on a black person who never existed. They may have said that to excuse their racism to a very pathetic degree as we all know that’s no excuse to hate an entire race for the actions of an extremely small part of a populations of tens of millions.
Whatever the case, Brahms wants to justify his disdain for black people no matter what, and he doesn’t care if he offends anyone. That is how sick he is.
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Demerera
*I have dislike for you and other dishonorable black-centrists on this site; a position which I’ve made clear.*
It is this part in particular which I refer to in my response above”
Are you a black-centrist? Do you believe life is made unfair by whites? Do you believe white people have stolen your history and made it theirs? Do you believe all Egyptian dynasties were black?
My response to Adeen was fine – she’s seems like a smart girl and I was telling her the truth. Only a minority of whites are racist – don’t follow the black-centric crap and you’ll do fine; follow the likes of Brothawolf and Abagond and she’ll have a life of great excuses while she goes nowhere.
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JT
*having less words read/said to you
** accumulates over the 18 years preceding post-secondary school
Yes, that is very important and I agree – I read to my kids every night – never miss a night. It is more important for the dad to read than the mom for some reason -studies show.
I know that most of the problems with certain percentages of all people is environmental. This environmental stuff is passed on though. In addition, I believe that genetic traits are passed on. But its neither here nor there – fix the problem of morons having children and both issues go away – the black out of wedlock rate is 80%.
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JT
“If you want to own your explicit racist beliefs you need to own everything that goes with them – including the blindness to how the books have been cooked at a macro and micro level for Black America since they were stolen from Africa and forced into lifelong slavery and brutalizing punitive treatments.
You try and break a people’s spirit for generations yet they manage to survive and thrive. Now you try and do it some more with your race realist nonsense.
Get a clue: you are the EVIL that you are looking for. Own it.”
Examples? Not of my race realism but of how whites have cooked books etc..
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Bulanik
“my ancestors had to stop acting Irish…
Can you tell me, please, what you mean by this?
I’ve lived for some years in Ireland, and I want to know what acting Irish is.”
To integrate into society as American – ie not “Irish-American”. Having the Afro-centric identifier of African American says it all doesn’t it?
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Brothawolf
“And if black people do commit 50% of the murders in this country per capita, not saying that I agree with you because I don’t, then pray tell, what percent of murders do whites commit?”
I don’t know- how about 50%? Now what?
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deedee
“That comment by Brahms about his ancestors giving up their cultural identity is sad. I think some people fail to realize that the “melting pot” was a idea to get white “ethnics” (German, Italian, Czech, Irish, etc.) to meld into one and be like the dominant Anglo-Saxon Protestants (Brits). Non-whites were never apart of the picture.”
asians, indians, Africans from Africa – all have melded. Some Africans decided to take on hip hop nonsense culture – their loss (and mine).
There are some interesting talks by African immigrants about American native blacks on youtube – they don’t hold your culture in high esteem.
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Adeen
“I am so hurt by your comment because you are saying that I am racist. Yes there is Black on White racism but i don’t condone it. I am not a Afrocentrist and nor do care to me.I believe in equality for all. I consider you a cyber bully. And I am NOT dumb just because I am a Black teenager.
@DeeDee7789
You have a point but some Whites still don’t see Jews, Irish, Poles not Italians as White.
I am just so upset right now.”
You sound pretty bright to me actually. I re-read my comment to you and I’m not seeing where I implied you were a racist or dumb. I didn’t call you an afro-centrist either. Could you point to specifics in my comment? Maybe I’m too engrained in arguing with older people on these forums. I was trying to give you some honest advice – sorry.
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dave
“I have a son and we live in a mixed area. He doesn’t see color and neither does his friend. However I get scared when he tries to take on older kids during outside play. Sometimes you will hear kids say “look at this crazy white kid” now they don’t view him as a threat………..yet so they don’t act on his aggressiveness. But when he’s older they might keep him down due to his race. It does go both ways. I hoped by the time he got older his race wouldn’t be a factor, but I don’t think the media wants that.”
You better know who those older kids are – I’m sure you don’t want my advice but I have plenty since that was my childhood as well.
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BR
“That is Brahms problem. He got hassled by some people who happened to be black, then helped , even, by some people who happen to be black. Instead of grasping that, he has internalised hate against all black people ever since”
No, not all black people, just those that don’t want to get along in white society who see a white kid playing in the neighborhood and have to point our his race – see Dave’s comment. Who taught those black kids that it was ok to do that? Their parents.
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BR
“I never even for one minute equated one person with a whole race….”
Great – sounds like we think alike.
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firebrand
” Brahms is a brute and his comment to you was absolutely cruel and not in any way justifiable. He owes you an apology, if he has a conscience he would do that.”
Could point out where I was cruel? Was it when I said “shake it off”? What should she do? Dwell on it? Let it ruin her life? No, she should shake it off and concentrate on bettering herself – she will be judged by her merit someday, not by her race like she apparently is now. There are pockets of white racism in this country (rural areas mainly) but its easily avoidable.
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Demera
“I think one of the most telling things that he said was this Simply start acting white – I know this is a radical thing to say but if you want to be successful its almost a guarantee for a black person; perhaps you already understand this.
This shows that he is aware of racism at all levels and other aspects of ‘perception’ yet he comes on here and accuses me of being dishonorable!!!!!!!!!!”
So, you are fundamentally different than me – is that what you are saying? This country, like it or not, is white – it was white before slaves and other non-white immigrants so naturally, the businesses, colleges, etc. are either white OR the behavior and mannerisms that have been engrained are white.
You want a separate black America – got for it! Separate. Or, grumble and complain about not being accepted when you purposefully refuse to assimilate (is this payback for slavery? I think so). You portray me as a crazy racist for expecting races to adapt to the dominant culture – well excuuuuse meeeeee (as Steve Martin used to say).
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Brothawolf
“That seems to be a common theme of why these people became racists–er, race realists. They were attacked by a group of blacks for no reason. Ergo, they became racist against them. Like I said in another comment, that one group of blacks manifested into millions of blacks or an entire race. That is some psychological malfunction if I ever heard one.”
Nope. I disowned a semi-friend for making a racist jokes when I was around 30. My transformation occurred while living in the Caribbean. Whites were targeted and treated badly; blacks were rude and violent. The behavior of blacks towards whites is well known (if you live there) – how does one explain it? Simple – blacks are pissed off about slavery and will never let it go – any thing that is wrong in their lives serves as self-fulfilling prophecy. Even in country that is black-run, whites are still blamed and targeted.
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@Brahms
All is well but however explain to me what all those comments to the older people were about? I don’t completely understand it. I hope you aren’t offending them either.
I believe that all races should get along and all of this race baiting crap in America and the world should stop. I am sick of White, Black, Asian and Hispanic racists battle each other and put each other and treat each other like crap. It is so annoying. Plus Jesus, our Lord and Savior doesn’t want us to hate each other because of the color of our skin. We were put on earth to love each other and treat each other with love and dignity.
That is why racism upsets me and makes me so sad to hear, read and see racism. It is just tragic. I don’t understand the roots of racism and how it came to be but racism really is ugly and ruined the lives of many people.
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@brahms:
“This country, like it or not, is white – it was white before slaves and other non-white immigrants”
Oh you cheeky little liar, you are at it again, aren’t you!
Your country was red before any white man stepped on its shores. You are just another immigrant yourself, son. I know it makes you feel like a cotton candy but get over it. You and your family are just another bunch of foreigners compared to any native american.
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@Brahms
My response to Adeen was fine – she’s seems like a smart girl and I was telling her the truth. Only a minority of whites are racist – don’t follow the black-centric crap and you’ll do fine; follow the likes of Brothawolf and Abagond and she’ll have a life of great excuses while she goes nowhere.
If it was “fine”, how come she was upset by it? See. That’s so typical of you, you don’t want to own up to anything, but expect others, particularly blacks, to own up to the problems caused by society. You really are foolish if you think what you said wasn’t hurtful, if not false.
I know that most of the problems with certain percentages of all people is environmental. This environmental stuff is passed on though. In addition, I believe that genetic traits are passed on. But its neither here nor there – fix the problem of morons having children and both issues go away – the black out of wedlock rate is 80%.
The black OOW rate isn’t that high. If so, what about the white OOW rate? And even if people are born out of wedlock, what’s the big deal as long as the children have some kind of viable support. Just because a kid is born into a two-parent home, doesn’t guarantee that the children will not have a hard time. This is a perfect example of critical thinking. Learn it.
To integrate into society as American – ie not “Irish-American”. Having the Afro-centric identifier of African American says it all doesn’t it?
Oh puh-lease. You didn’t have to give it up. You could’ve embraced it even against all odds the same as blacks have done.
You sound pretty bright to me actually. I re-read my comment to you and I’m not seeing where I implied you were a racist or dumb. I didn’t call you an afro-centrist either. Could you point to specifics in my comment? Maybe I’m too engrained in arguing with older people on these forums. I was trying to give you some honest advice – sorry.
That apology was as phony as the Kardashian sister’s fame. That shows you are not sorry and was looking to pass the blame onto her. You really are low.
No, not all black people, just those that don’t want to get along in white society who see a white kid playing in the neighborhood and have to point our his race – see Dave’s comment. Who taught those black kids that it was ok to do that? Their parents.
Correction. You whites didn’t want to get along with us in the first place. Many blacks wanted to integrate into your society and be your equals, but your people wasn’t having any of that, and they were beaten and killed because of that. So, why in the hell would blacks want to get along with the people who don’t see us as people in the first place? Maybe it’s because we are morally superior to you hateful whites.
And it was those black people that helped justify your prejudices against black people. Admit it. They helped prove you right about all of us, and you were so convinced that this is how black people as a whole act. And how the fuck do you know who taught black children to do that? But it doesn’t matter. Just blame the parents. SMH.
So, you are fundamentally different than me – is that what you are saying? This country, like it or not, is white – it was white before slaves and other non-white immigrants so naturally, the businesses, colleges, etc. are either white OR the behavior and mannerisms that have been engrained are white. You want a separate black America – got for it! Separate. Or, grumble and complain about not being accepted when you purposefully refuse to assimilate (is this payback for slavery? I think so). You portray me as a crazy racist for expecting races to adapt to the dominant culture – well excuuuuse meeeeee (as Steve Martin used to say).
No! This country was red before it became white, as you say.
Why the hell is assimilation a big fucking deal to you? Why can’t we be who we are and not try to be like another group of people? That is one of your biggest hangups. You want everyone, especially blacks, to be like white people as if your people are so damn special. Fuck that. If you’re so hung up on whiteness why don’t YOU to a all-white nation and live the rest of your hateful ass in peace.
And the only person portraying himself to be a crazy racist is you. Like it or not, you are the only one who’s making yourself sound like a klansman. You don’t even like to be held accountable for anything wrong, huh? You probably think you didn’t do or say anything wrong, huh? Those are products of a delusional mind. You really are a basket case.
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@ Brahms
You keep saying this but it is not a fact, not even as a rounding error. The latest CDC numbers from last November put it at 72.3% for all blacks (72.8% for non-Hispanic blacks). See Table 15:
Click to access nvsr60_01.pdf
And you do know, right, that among all out-of-wedlock births blacks come third:
Out-of-wedlock births in America, 2009 (the latest year for which there are figures):
1,142,871 white
531,445 Hispanic
444,044 black
43,257 Asian
31,812 native
Yet for some reason it is always the black ones who are seen as some kind of threat to the nation. Why is that?
Oh sorry, I forgot. Base rates! Even though white men leave more dead bodies, raped women and fatherless children in their wake, black men are STILL the bigger threat!!! Because it is the RATE that is ALL IMPORTANT.
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@Brahm
You want a separate black America – got for it! Separate. Or, grumble and complain about not being accepted when you purposefully refuse to assimilate (is this payback for slavery? I think so). You portray me as a crazy racist for expecting races to adapt to the dominant culture – well excuuuuse meeeeee (as Steve Martin used to say).
This is one of the ways in which dishonour manifests itself on forums like this. You make a statement and present it in such a way that you suggest and heavily imply that this is attributable to me. Show me where I specifically said this, I insist. If I am going to be accused of such things then show proof. Your comments will not be trusted in future if you choose to blatantly lie and put words in my mouth – words that I did not say.
BTW, I saw your poor excuse for an apology to Adeen – thats another example of dishonour right there. When people cant take responsibility for how they made someone feel and meanwhile try to suggest that there was nothing wrong in their comment, like you did, despite the fact that several other commenters on here raised objections/concernes about your response too highlights a dishonesty in your intentions.
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@Brahms
First:I have dislike for you and other dishonorable black-centrists on this site; a position which I’ve made clear.
Then:Are you a black-centrist? Do you believe life is made unfair by whites? Do you believe white people have stolen your history and made it theirs? Do you believe all Egyptian dynasties were black?
These are questions that you really dont care to have the answers for, certainly not from me. On one occassion you again, accuse me of being something without clarifying what my position is and then you have the cheek to ask me, particularly when you have made your feelings very clear about me.
I find it difficult to discuss anything with you, such is your denial and bitterness. Whilst initially I felt a smidgen of sympathy at what you expressed about your childhood I now see that you use it as a way fo perpetuating your own deep seated and ugly insecurities about BP to use a phrase from your earlier comment ….., grumble and complain about not being accepted
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“deedee
asians, indians, Africans from Africa – all have melded. Some Africans decided to take on hip hop nonsense culture – their loss (and mine).
There are some interesting talks by African immigrants about American native blacks on youtube – they don’t hold your culture in high esteem.”
I can only speak on an conversation I overheard recently. A young woman from Nigeria who has naturally kinky hair have zero co-workers speak to her. As soon as she straightened her hair then her co-workers started to actually interact with her and many of the African students (I participate in several minority student organizations) didn’t understand why. Is that a part of the melding you mention? If so that is unfair.
Also, I have heard some Africans mention they believed that Black women were welfare queens, loud, ghetto, Black men as thugs etc but these were thoughts not substantiated by actual interactions with Black American people. They mentioned that when they first came to the US that was what they assumed and found actual interaction to show that those previous views were misguided.
The negative actions of some Blacks does not represent Black culture. So it is not accurate to say that they don’t hold my culture (do you also mean Cherokee along with Black because both were a part of my upbringing) in high esteem.
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@ Abagond
You say: “Oh sorry, I forgot. Base rates! Even though white men leave more dead bodies, raped women and fatherless children in their wake, black men are STILL the bigger threat!!! Because it is the RATE that is ALL IMPORTANT.”
So Abagond’s “logic” when comparing blacks and whites is to ignore that “rates” (my god, another one of those pesky whites using words that actually put things in perspective) indicate a situation within the black community that’s wildly out of control.
Look, both whites and blacks have large numbers of people doing “bad things.”
But OF COURSE white numbers for just about ANY subject will be high.
Why?
Because there’s over 223 MILLION of us here.
Blacks only account for around 39 million. That’s a lot smaller. So if there’s 184 MILLION more of us than you- yeah it’s not a shocker that anything we do will be in large numbers.
But Abagond’s “logic” is to find whites guilty of having a large population rather than looking at blacks who have exaggeratedly large numbers of crime NOT because of large population but because of extremely high “rates” of criminal behavior.
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So basically having a large population is “wrong” but it’s “ok” to be the population with BY FAR the highest criminal proclivity.
Let’s ignore that inconvenient little fact because then the basis for all these “cute, ironic, would-be eye-opening” blogs don’t have merit.
Now it’s all reduced to a black man arbitrarily cheerleading for fellow blacks not for real merit but because they happen to be the “home team”.
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@Brahms
“The System” is rigged. No matter how “acceptable” a black person may be within black society and white society, they’re still gonna face roadblocks. Black people can overcome anything and anybody, but, why do we have to deal with the bull**** all the time when others don’t?
Tyrone
MindScape
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@Tyrone
I love hearing from you and you are telling the truth 100%You are so realistic too
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To Abagond:
And you do know, right, that among all out-of-wedlock births blacks come third:
Out-of-wedlock births in America, 2009 (the latest year for which there are figures):
1,142,871 white
531,445 Hispanic
444,044 black
43,257 Asian
31,812 native
Well for the non-Hispanic Whites I see a figure of 641,252. Higher yes.. but as a percentage of the population.. markedly lower than the Black or Latino rate. Even so, in my opinion, out of wedlock births are not necessarily bad in and of themselves. Correlation is not necessarily causation. I had two (Black male) tenants who had children out of wedlock but were clearly devoted fathers.
That said I do think (from personal experience..) that not having a father around, whether the parents are married or not, has a negative psychological effect on young men.
Even though white men leave more dead bodies..
1) No – since 1986 per the DOJ, there are fewer White murderers than Black murderers in the US.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/tables/oracetab.cfm
And that’s with the DOJ including Latinos in the White perp count and with the White/Latino outnumbering the Black population by 6.2 to 1.
Even so.. murders are fairly rare.. it’s the other (much more common) peripheral crimes such as assault and robbery that are the real threat.
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@ Inconvenient Truth,
No, I think the point is that it’s racist to fear blacks based on “numbers” when white people have a higher crime rate due to more people committing said crimes. It makes no sense to look at a black person and say “Oh there’s a chance there will be crime because he’s black!” when you don’t think that way about your own race.
There is also the hypocrisy of painting one race as “criminal” and “violent” when white people have done a lot of criminal and violent things. In US history, for example, black people would have more reason to fear white people than the other way around, since it was white people who were riding around razing towns, lynching people, and blowing up churches based purely on the color of their victims skin until well into the 70s and onward, and they also had the law protecting them for a long time. However, it appears that black people do not think that the numbers prove that there’s some inherent criminality in white people. So why do white people get a pass in thinking black people are inherently violent and scary?
Either way, there’s a chance there will be crime, but basing your fears of someone one their race is stupid.
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@ ace
Ace,
YOU JUST ARENT GETTING IT.
Let me ask you a question: if a car was 10% faster than another, it’s a difference but nothing huge right?
Now let’s say it’s a 25% difference: one car can go 80 mph the other 100. That’s a pretty big difference.
Well black propensity towards crime vs white propensity towards crime are often ASTRONOMICAL differences. Blacks commit many crimes at more than 700% higher rate than whites!!! SEVEN HUNDRED!!
To appreciate that difference, it’s like taking that car from before that was going 100 miles an hour and comparing it to a jet going 700 miles an hour!
These enormous differences blacks commit at many crimes at this much higher a rate.
THAT’S WHY WHITES HAVE A RIGHT TO PROFILE BLACKS!! Because again, we’re not talking about 10% difference or even 25% difference but HUNDREDS of percents higher!!
Think about it- white people in trailer parks are just as poor as black people in ghettos. But if you walk through ANY trailer park in the middle of the night you’ll be perfectly fine. Walk through almost any black ghetto in the middle of the night and YOU’LL THANK GOD you came out alive.
In fact, it’s hard to think of ANY all-white neighborhood that’s dangerous, yet hard NOT to think of any all-black neighborhood that’s safe!!!
HUGE DIFFERENCES.
If blacks are unhappy with how they are perceived THEN CHANGE!!!
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“Think about it- white people in trailer parks are just as poor as black people in ghettos. But if you walk through ANY trailer park in the middle of the night you’ll be perfectly fine. Walk through almost any black ghetto in the middle of the night and YOU’LL THANK GOD you came out alive.
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If blacks are unhappy with how they are perceived THEN CHANGE!!!
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Ironic…
How the members of the most criminal group ever on the planet (white supremacy) are calling the people they oppress, harm and kill, criminals.
Pot calling the kettle black? Absolutely!!
Frankly, I don’t give a damn what any racist thinks of me.
I refuse to be “acceptably black.”
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To Ace:
No, I think the point is that it’s racist to fear blacks based on “numbers” when white people have a higher crime rate due to more people committing said crimes.
No, when one is referring to the crime rate it is a matter of percentages… Black people (generally lower income Black men between the ages of 15 – 35) commit crime at a higher rate than Latinos, Non-Hispanic Whites, and Asians. That is not in dispute by any peer reviewed social scientist. Nominally, not just as a percentage of the population, Blacks have committed more homicides every year (since 1986) than Whites. Other crimes are not so skewed and I would venture to say that Whites drive drunk at higher rate than Blacks.
It makes no sense to look at a black person and say “Oh there’s a chance there will be crime because he’s black!” when you don’t think that way about your own race.
No it doesn’t if that is the only qualifier.. and it would be absurd to have fear of elderly Black women leaving church on a Sunday or young Black children. But they are times when I think it is wise to exercise caution around some younger Black men. (FWIW I also tend to avoid younger White male strangers who have been drinking..)
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so signing here with Brothawolf,Abagond, Sam, Demerera, Ace, Matari, Dee dee, Tyrone, Adeen
Ok, Uncle Milton, about the statistics, statistics can be stacked and misleading, but, I see you try to be fair and lets say there is some truth to those statistics.
Arnt black Americans the only group of people ripped from their homeland, thrown into brutal slavery, have their familes torn apart, after slavery,thrown into society with absolutly no recouse, face brutal jim crow, racists, lynchings, realters and goverments creating ghettos in the north, neglecting the people in those ghettos all the way, absolutly proven discrimination in getting jobs, housing, loans etc
What other group has been split up from their families, had no recources and networks of like people to help them out when they arrived with job markets that opened up to them?What other group has had all those things laid on their backs in this society?
If statistics lean in that direction, what other argument makes such a powerful claim that the traces of slavery can be felt in our society right up into today? The one argument the racist fight the hardest against
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Of course by any stretch of the imagination,”so sign” is “co-sign”
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@ Matari:
Spot on! I say pretty much the same thing: “I refuse to live down to the limited expectations of small-minded, inbred, racist white trash.” 😎
Dumbing myself down just so some insecure person can feel better about themselves has never been my modus operandi.
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Sepultura13 … AMEN
B.R. — Too bad you can’t “can” your insight and basic understanding of American history and pass it to the terminally deluded and clueless – not that they would actually want/take it.
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Matari, I missed your comment above my last comment and absolutly co-sign with you
You know that the things I say are blatently obvious, to anyone and everyone, these people who are fighting it are in denial
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@ InconvenientTruth,
It seems like you aren’t getting it, to be frank.
I highly doubt the number is 700% higher, proof or no dice, okay? Just look at any current report. I’ll wait.
“These enormous differences blacks commit at many crimes at this much higher a rate.”
Then, shouldn’t we profile whites because white people just commit more crime in general? Should I avoid white businesses because white people commit higher rates of identity fraud?
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THAT’S WHY WHITES HAVE A RIGHT TO PROFILE BLACKS!! Because again, we’re not talking about 10% difference or even 25% difference but HUNDREDS of percents higher!!”
A right? No buddy, they have NO right. That’s the problem. And again, your numbers are not only off, but your dramatics are hilarious. I’d think you were being sarcastic if i didn’t know otherwise.
“Think about it- white people in trailer parks are just as poor as black people in ghettos. But if you walk through ANY trailer park in the middle of the night you’ll be perfectly fine. Walk through almost any black ghetto in the middle of the night and YOU’LL THANK GOD you came out alive.”
Odd, I don’t know anyone who’d willingly walk through a white trailer park during the day, let alone at night (unless they live there), because profiling poor people as criminals is pretty common too. I’ve been in black ghettos, I’ve been in trailer parks. Black people smiled at me. Trailer park folk, smiled at me. I think both groups deserve better than your attempt to use their circumstance to prove a racist agenda.
“In fact, it’s hard to think of ANY all-white neighborhood that’s dangerous, yet hard NOT to think of any all-black neighborhood that’s safe!!!”
I know plenty of white neighborhoods people avoid because of the neo-nazis, young punks, and kkk families that think they own the place. I know all black neighborhoods that consist of two and three story houses and manors where crime is so minuscule that you don’t have to lock your doors at night It’s not wise to get your world experience from Stormfront, dear.
“HUGE DIFFERENCES.”
What’s that difference?
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If blacks are unhappy with how they are perceived THEN CHANGE!!! ”
We’ve been saying the same thing to racist people for years, still haven’t’ seen many takers on their end.
Maybe it’s because, I don’t know, normal people should be able to look at two black people and tell the difference between one and the other? Maybe you just shouldn’t dig for excuses to profile if you don’t want the same stuff being done to you?
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@ Ace
You say that when I claim blacks commit crime at 700%, it’s laughable. And proof or “no dice”
Here’s your dice:
According to Department of Justice 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than SEVEN TIMES (yes, that’s 700%) higher than the rates for whites.
Blacks are also your own worst enemies.
You are victims of murder 6 times more than whites, with 94% of your killers being other blacks!
So apparently blacks are doing A LOT more than as you say, “giving smiles” to people in the ghetto. (and by the way, HOW DARE YOU minimize what’s going on the ghettos.)
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/intimates.cfm#intgender
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Abagond
“And you do know, right, that among all out-of-wedlock births blacks come third:
Out-of-wedlock births in America, 2009 (the latest year for which there are figures):
1,142,871 white
531,445 Hispanic
444,044 black
43,257 Asian
31,812 native”
You need to take some extra math classes. I guess I’ll point out the importance of percentages – AGAIN; why listing gross numbers is completely useless. Yes, Abagond, whites have the highest number of OOW births. Why would that be? Man, that’s a tuff one. Um……..could it be that whites make up 70% of the population?
Dividing 1142871 by 2193429 (total OOW births) gives .52. Look at that, whites are underrepresented.
And blacks are at 20% (according to your numbers) – overrepresented.
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Tyrone
“The System” is rigged. No matter how “acceptable” a black person may be within black society and white society, they’re still gonna face roadblocks. Black people can overcome anything and anybody, but, why do we have to deal with the bull**** all the time when others don’t?”
What BS do you have to deal with?
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Ace
“No, I think the point is that it’s racist to fear blacks based on “numbers” when white people have a higher crime rate due to more people committing said crimes. It makes no sense to look at a black person and say “Oh there’s a chance there will be crime because he’s black!” when you don’t think that way about your own race.”
No, whites do not have a higher crime “rate”. Rate – “A quantity measured with respect to another measured quantity” 60 miles PER hour. 5,000 homicides per 100,000 people, etc..
Maybe this will help: pretend that the percentage of black males who commit violent crime is 100%. It is possible, that even with this rate, whites would commit more violent crimes than blacks. Now, in this hypothetical world, even though whites commit more crime, would it still be make no sense to fear black males?
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Matari
“Frankly, I don’t give a damn what any racist thinks of me.
I refuse to be “acceptably black.””
I know, that’s what I’ve been saying; blacks refuse to assimilate and then complain about not being allowed to assimilate.
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Ace
“Then, shouldn’t we profile whites because white people just commit more crime in general? Should I avoid white businesses because white people commit higher rates of identity fraud?”
You are hopeless I fear.
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@Ace
“If blacks are unhappy with how they are perceived THEN CHANGE!!! ”
We’ve been saying the same thing to racist people for years, still haven’t’ seen many takers on their end.”
BLACKS are the ones killing at 700 percent higher than whites! IT’S YOU PEOPLE that need to change!!!
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Look if you told the average white person that whites were murdering 700% more than other racial groups, it WOULD STOP HIM DEAD! He’d be thinking “what the hell is wrong with us to act like that”?! -In other words, it would shock our senses and we sure as hell would want to get to the bottom of it.
Notice the difference when you tell black people this… “Not possible! What B.S.!” -denial denial denial
But what’s amazing is how they “feel” for all the blacks who live in the ghetto who write books or hip hop songs talking about all the violence and bloodshed they’ve seen growing up.
But when a white person brings the statistics that backup the stories of these people, then suddenly it’s “nonsense and lies!”
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LOL. Thats all I have to say. It has been proven that per capita blacks are 8 times likley to commit murder than whites even though there are more poor whites then blacks tenfold. So poverty cant be used as an explination. Its just in their blood look at africa. You dident really think it would be different by simple relocation did you? A mean pitbull will be just as mean in NY as it will be in lets say canada.
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Black men rape very young girls all the time, it’s called “pulling a train”. It’s a way to prove their masculinity and the black community protects these men by remaining silent because they don’t want black men to look bad in the eyes of non-blacks.
Your willingness to throw black women and girls under the bus to “prove” your point is duly noted.
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oh! I don’t mean that black men are somehow worse than non-black men. They all suck. It’s just that black women are conditioned to silent endure gross amount of sexism (while non-black women speak out more) in order to protect the precious black dood from racism. It’s a spectacularly unhealthy dynamic.
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Let’s setttle it here:
People of ALL RACES commit crimes regardless of social status and celebrity status. Please stop looking at the color of one’s skin to determine whether or not they are bad. Race doesn’t matter to me and shouldn’t matter to anyone else. A criminal is a criminal.
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Having read all of this, I will respond to the inconvenient truth’s latest comment.
First off, you are right, in that there is a larger percentage of blacks convicted than whites. The problem with this, however, is a staggering misunderstanding of how statistics work. Black males are prosecuted for crimes more than whites. At the same time, they are often for misdemeanors, such as drug offenses and so on.These studies take into account minor lockups, and as such, are often blown out of proportion by those who rely on raw numbers without facts. It is also reported that whites are less likely to be incarcerated for a crime than a black man who commits the same crime. For example, blacks make up around 13% of pot users, yet make up a large portion of arrests. Not to mention that reports note on whites who are more likely to use more serious narcotics.
So no, at the moment, there is no clear cut signifier of race and crime, and other factors must be observed. Anybody stating otherwise are nothing more than faux journalists using psuedo-science. It is also worth a mention that singling out a race for crime is unconstitutional for law officials to do.
At the same time, there is a problem with black culture that needs to be addressed. This fixation with criminal life in our youths is one that needs to be bought to attention. Rap videos, baggy, half worn pants, and things such as this add to the negative stereotype.
At the end of the day, for every criminal that a cop arrests by way of random ‘stop-n-search’, there are many innocent citizens getting held up for crimes they did not commit.
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Newark ….. Camden …. Detroit …… Flint ….. Gary …… Washington D.C. ….. St. Louis …..East St Louis …. Memphis ….. Patterson …… Wilkes Barre ….. Harlem ….. Watts …… Chicago …… New Orleans …… Philly ….. Reading …… New York City …..Cinncinatti …… Baltimore….. can anyone tell me who lives in and runs the cities which year in and year out makes the FBI ‘s deadly cities list ….can anyone tell me who has the highest drop out rates in the nation ….. can anyone tell me which group has a 73 % unwed birth rate ….. can anyone tell me who has the highest prison population as a % of the whole ….. LOL….don’t believe your own lying eyes
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oh and one other thing to keep in mind reading government numbers on crime ….. always look for the hispanic crime numbers ….if they are not included as they often are not in government crime numbers then they are rolled into the white crime number ….. the government considers hispanic as a culture ….not a race …..and no they are not under other
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i find fault with so many things.. black crime (especially black on black crime) is out of controll and i actually feel that it’s underreported to keep us ignorant to the hundreds of dead black youths turning up everyday in the morgue. i find fault with the black community for not wanting to swallow the medicine that we (not necesarily the ‘white man only’ are unraveling our own communities. i find fault with the white racists who are so concerned with these crime statistics to post and blog about them but aren’t concerned enough to go into the innercity to mentor anyone. but while i am angry at the black community for not taking responsibility, im just as angry at white people who want to try to seperate themselves as far away as possible from being apart of the problem. if you actually sit down and read a book on black history (i hate that term because its realy simply US HISTORY) – and im not talking about slavery im talking the past 60 years, you would see how the plight of black people was DESTINED to happen…. ahh but i am hopeful,….
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@ Jasmine C
I agree that more must always be done in the Black community to help fix the legacy of imposed dysfunction. I think that we must always keep in mind the extraordinary conditions under which this problems were created, but that doesn’t negate the need for serious self reflection and hard work among Blacks.
But that being said, every Sunday morning there are messages of responsibility and morality are preached in the Black community. There have been longstanding positive messages from organizations like the Urban League, the NBCD, the SCLC, the NAACP urging higher Education and discouraging teenage pregnancy, drug abuse, and gang membership. These same churches and organizations have offered a myriad of tutoring programs, mentorship programs, and youth leadership programs. I just want to highlight that there has been a lot of effort toward achieving improvement in the Black Community, even though more is needed.
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i find fault with the white racists who are so concerned with these crime statistics to post and blog about them but aren’t concerned enough to go into the innercity to mentor anyone.
But why a white racist be expected to go into the inner city to mentor anyone? How many Black people even go into the inner city to mentor anyone? Why would you even want a white racist even near black youth? This is the kind of thinking that I don’t understand when it comes from Black Americans. My parents are older Black Americans and they don’t understand this thinking either..
Black Americans need to stop pleading with whites to care about them and instead they need to care about each other in more ways than just words and more words.. Obviously, if Blacks really cared about each other, a lot more of them would do a lot more for each other. I hope no one brings up the so-called Willie Lynch letter that talked about how whites have programmed Black Americans s to always be divided and hate themselves and each other. That’s just an excuse for Blacks to take the easy way and keep doing bad things to each other. It also makes whites sound very superior if they could program Black people so successfully.
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@ Jorbia
I think that what Jasmine C was saying is that if a person is concerned about the problem (Black or White) why not be a part of solving it, rather than just bitching about it? Doesn’t that make sense?
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But that being said, every Sunday morning there are messages of responsibility and morality are preached in the Black community. There have been longstanding positive messages from organizations like the Urban League, the NBCD, the SCLC, the NAACP urging higher Education and discouraging teenage pregnancy, drug abuse, and gang membership. These same churches and organizations have offered a myriad of tutoring programs, mentorship programs, and youth leadership programs. I just want to highlight that there has been a lot of effort toward achieving improvement in the Black Community, even though more is needed.
These messages have obviously not worked because the problems among Black Americans have gotten a lot worse than in previous decades. Have these messages been analyzed to determine whether they’re hitting the mark?
My aunt is a Black American church going woman, so when I lived with her, I went to a lot of churches with her. I noticed that almost all of the pastors may have given lip service to taking responsibility, but they also gave the message that just about everything was out of the control of a person. They blamed a lot of the negative behavior among Blacks on racism or on satan. They gave the impression that somebody is always out to get you if you’re Black.
Practically all of the ministers were Black males who had lived compromised lives, so I concluded that they were pushing their own distorted view of life on their congregation. The people in the congregation didn’t analyze anything. They usually just accepted what the minister said and went along with it.
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@ Jorbia
Well, my statement was to say that the messages are being said. But as to their effect, that is a complicated matter. A messages strength must be measured against it’s counter messages The question is whether these messages are strong enough to counteract the massages being given by Black athletes, actors, and music celebrities. That is a big reason why the messages are less effective than they might be.
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@jorbia yeah you kinda mistook my words, no i don’t want the kkk in the innercity lol, and i don’t want to force them to ‘care’ about black people, in fact they already do ‘care’ care enough to rant on it and attend hate rallies but they dont care enough to try to solve the problem. also i find that when i try to explain how the black community got to where it is today and the power of knowing ones history, it is met with the notion that im giving excuses. its kind of like instead of calling a woman in an abusive relationship dumb for staying, you are much more helpful by encouraging her to take a look at why she has such low self esteem in the first place. – is that giving her an excuse? maybe but so what if it contributes not as a crutch but as a stepping stone out. analyzing her past isn’t going to be the sole remedy though, she has to have options.. ya dig? now how do we provide options is the question. – i say for instance working to find employment for excons. i knew this man who ran a business that exclusively hired excons(ones with potential and motivated to turn their lives around) and could you believe the critisism he recieved for that!
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Okay, Jasmine C, I understand you better now, but do you really think that white people can solve these problems of Blacks? I don’t think that most white people can grasp the depth of these problems.
I’m not saying I understand the problems of a Black American ex-con either, but I believe that it would take more than a job to keep most of these males out of prison. I believe that most of them need a father figure in their lives who will have endless patience with them and a commitment to reform them. You may be saying that you think that white men should come into the inner city and volunteer to be this father figure. I don’t believe that ex-cons have a good work ethic. Most of them are probably compulsive and lack self-control. Do they know how to handle their frustration and anger?. These are skills and habits of mind that it takes years to develop in most cases..
I think that Black Americans need to be more specific about what they want from white people. Do Black men want white men to teach them how to be husbands and fathers? Do they want white men to teach them a good work ethic? About finances? Do they want white men to teach them how to set up businesses and run them?
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well it seems to me you are using very dubious language “do i want white men to come teach them good work ethic, finances, business?” lol well somebody needs to be teaching it.. and if it just so happens that the qualified, passionate, innercity jr. high history teacher, or basketball coach, etc. just so happens to be a white man, then no i wouldn’t have a problem with that. but i brought up the whole volunteer thing in my original post to drive my point about bloggers who dont actually do anything is all… i wasn’t suggesting it was the key to all our problems. and about the ex con working stuff, i didn’t want to bring my personal experiences onto another blog post but ok here we go…. one of the ex cons i was talking about just so happened to be my father and yes, that opprotunity for him was a lifechanging one. he made a very stupid decision when he was in his twenties and spent almost two decades locked up for it… when he got out it wasn’t easy for him to find work and if that opprotunity hadn’t come through for him he may have broken down and made another stupid decision. so that one man’s business decision to hire ex cons (he was once an excon himself actually years and years ago- not many people knew that but thats why he felt so much compassion) ———— i believe people think about ‘helping the innercity’ and think about giving aid to a bunch of adults who have made bad decisions. but i dont. i think about the children there who are destined to fall into the cycle of poverty and uneducation and violence……… why wouldn’t someone be moved enough to come try to save them?
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@Jasmine C.
well it seems to me you are using very dubious language “do i want white men to come teach them good work ethic, finances, business?” lol well somebody needs to be teaching it.. and if it just so happens that the qualified, passionate, innercity jr. high history teacher, or basketball coach, etc. just so happens to be a white man,
I’m asking for specifics because so many of these discussions are very vague.
But now that you’ve said you would specifically want somebody like white men to come into the inner city to teach Black men, I think many white men would be shocked to read that they’re being asked to do this or that they would even be welcomed in the inner city, that is, outside of a high school setting.
The main issue is whether they’d be safe moving around in the inner city. Do you think they would be? Sites like this one do not reassure white people that they would be safe in the inner city. Most white people would want a large police presence around them if they came into the inner city and you know how Blacks would complain about that.
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firstly you have twisted my words around in so many ways… how did you equate.. ‘i don’t care what color they are mentoring innercity YOUTH can be a benefit’ to ‘white men teaching black men’.. and just imagine! if you feel to scared to visit a junior high and mentor, how do you think an innercity kid feels growing up in there! … i would think that compassion sometimes gives people enough COURAGE to go against odds.. and anyway, i dont understand why people keep jumping on this whole ‘volunteer’ thing when i clearly stated that i didn’t mention it as a key factor in solving impovrished innercities/crime but as to prove a point to people who like to bitch and complain about high crime statistics but don’t feel moved enough to go mentor an innercity kid or something of the like… now i did mention things like providing jobs for ex cons to keep them off the street… now that is a more important factor i would think to reduce crime…. i mean, the goal is to stop crime right… or is the goal to just sit here and bash. another idea, there could be more money put into providing opprotunites instead of harsh jail sentences for first time drug offenses…. did you know that a black youth is 45 times more likely to be convicted on their first offense than a white youth who has an identical case?… i mean thats a hard fact right there that speaks volumes about racism AND the justice system. and the sad thing is someone will say that stating a statistic like that is pulling a race card… im providing ideas here people, not perfect ones but atleas im trying. maybe you could improve on one of those, bring up pros and cons of one of those… other than, but what if im too scared or what if the ex con is realy rotten on the outside… lets just leave the decaying innercity schools to continue to have overly large class sizes and lets just leave ex cons to turn back to the streets as a means of supporting themselves… yeah.. lets just do that… but you know what… you can choose to see a young black boy as potential to be a doctor/lawyer/inventor or a thief/rapist/murderer right now, the environment many of those little boys are growing up in (no one chooses to be born in the hood) are set up to lead them to failure… ill give you an example.. a girl growing up in suburbia has probably never seen a pimp before, if she wanted to become a prostitute she would have to travel outside her comfort zone to find one, and even then why would she look to a pimp to provide for her when she has nice clothes, good food etc. being provided to her at home? now take a girl the same age growing up in the innercity. she’s targeted for recruitment by pimps everytime she walks to the bus stop. she doesnt have nice clothes, but guess who’s offering? and thats only the tip of the ice berg to the many distractions those kids are surrounded by on a daily basis. now do both girls have opprotunity to an education(we’ll save the arguments on whether its equal education for a later date) yes. but who is more LIKELY to succeed and who is more LIKELY to become a prostitute? oh but wait, its too dangerous to go in there and do anything about it right
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Blacks don’t go into schools and shoots up everyone. Blacks don’t go into movie theatres and shoots up everyone.
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Abagond I love your blog. Im a 20 year old black girl from Detroit and I read your blog everyday. It makes me happy to know there’s someone out there can write down and explain these things as eloquently as you can. I hope to be as good a writer as you. Keep up the great work!
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@ Brahms
If we’re going to go with your ridiculously silly racist logic, wouldn’t that make traditionally European settlers in the Americas some of the most savage, emotionless and dangerous people on the planet?
They survived initially almost SOLELY due to the aid given to them by native American groups, which they then preceded to slaughter and wipe out with disease – often under the guise of benevolence, such as inviting natives into settlements for ‘celebration’ and slaughtering them when they arrived (it was the other way around for Christopher “Responsible for Caribbean genocide of 8+ million people” Columbus and his merry band of bloodthirsty looters – they would be let into Arawak settlements, clothed, given gifts and fed before proceeding to disembowling and slaughtering their inhabitants, beheading children for laughs and feeding infants to their dogs).
They then used the oh-so-supremacist notions of terra nulius and Manifest Destiny like the typical Christian jihadists that they were to justify displacement of locals and forceful appropriation of land (a.k.a. stealing land), oppression of locals and mass enslavement and exploitation of the African masses who were taken as property by their European overlords.
Not using this as an reasoning for ‘all white people being savages’, as that’s just more (less powerful) racist nonsense. I’m simply taking your racist argumental fallacy to its logical conclusion.
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@m Andrea
You are dead wrong about your “pulling trains”
It’s not black males raping anybody. Sometimes these young ladies are very promiscuous. And they ALLOW 3,4, and, 5 guys have sex with them at once. And afterwards, in an attempt to save face, will report that they’ve been raped so they don’t look like a slut.
My little cousin got caught up in a “rape” case and it was totally phony. It was consentual, and only when her reputation was looking bad, did she report rape
So please gtfoh with the black males raping people bs.
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And another thing @ m Andrea…
When have black women ever been silent? I’ve never met a black woman that would sit by and take anything she didn’t like.
So once again g.t. entire f.o.h
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And @ Dave…
Wtf are you talking about? Violence is in who’s blood exactly? I can’t think of a genocide that white folks didn’t engineer and facilitate, if not do it their damn self
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@m Andrea
I’m not tryna bring it to you…I just don’t appreciate you coming on here talking like black women are some pathetic weak and timid people.. my sisters are strong, matter fact the strongest of all women, and don’t take mess from anyone
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mussandrad,
you are playing into a stereotypes about black women, which don’t help us at all. They are racist. Black women and girls do get raped. Don’t try to defend black men by downplaying that fact and buying into stereotypes or promiscuous, strong, unrapable black women.
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That wasn’t my point.
My rape example was a white girl.
And you’re buying into the sex charged black male stereotype. Which isnt true
I never said black women were unrapable. I wasn’t even referring to black women when I made my rape comment. I I said they don’t silently take anything. Because you know yall don’t sit silently whilst somethingbyou don’t like is happening. I’m saying black women speak up. Even moreso than black men at times.
My rape examples were about women in general, not black women. I know first hand, women of all races get it innnn, and if they look slutty they will make up a rape story. I’ve experienced this many times.
I was speaking up for black women, not talking down about them.
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So again.. nobody is bashing black women. A commenter said black women sit silently and take abuse..you know like I know, that just ain’t true
My rape comments were in defense of black males. Because we are not sex charged deviants who go around raping females.
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Mussandrad,
I was talking about your replies to m Andrea.
In defending black men you made it seem like black women are too strong to be silent.
Black women are the least likely to report sexual assault.
I’m not buying into the stereotype of black men as sexually aggressive. I’m talking about the truth of America’s rape culture.
I understand you want to defend black men against the black brute stereotype but I wouldn’t do it by trying to portray women as lying about rape when it is known that less than 8% of rape accusations are false and most rapes aren’t even reported.
I’d point out how rape is an American problem. While men do most of the raping. Women and men feed into our rape culture.
I recommend reading this:
http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/one-reason-why-false-rape-allegation-statistics-are-so-high/
It explains the statistics and why so many people don’t report rape.
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I agree with most of what you said, but I stand by my point that occasionally, women of any given race DO report rape to save face. In my 20 some odd years, I’ve known for this to happen more than an actual rape. Now that’s not to say men don’t be raping, because they do.
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Mussandrad,
“In my 20 some odd years, I’ve known for this to happen more than an actual rape. ”
Statistics show that is wrong. How would you even know? A woman recanting doesn’t mean she wasn’t raped. Just means she didn’t feel like going through all the bs.
Yes, sometimes women lie between 2% – 8% of the time. Not that much right? But think about how much lower that would be if all rapes were reported. It would be negligible.
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when will whites apologize for hitler, stalin, and bieber?
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/Jorbia: Do Black men want white men to teach them how to be husbands and fathers?/
don’t think we need to take parenting advice from the people who brought us jerry sandusky.
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