February is Black History Month in the US and on this blog.
I need to get back to the practice of doing history months, where I try to write five to ten posts on the past and present of a particular continent and its diaspora, especially its diaspora in the US (where I live).
I never wind up doing as many posts as I would like, and that is frustrating and disappointing, but I do wind up doing more posts on the subject than I would otherwise – at least for the non-Black months.
Here is the schedule by race and continent:
- Jan:
- Feb: Black / Africa
- Mar:
- Apr: White / Europe
- May: Asian and Pacific Islander / Asia and Pacific
- Jun: Aboriginal / Australia
- Jul:
- Aug:
- Sep: Hispanic / Central and South America
- Oct:
- Nov: Native / North America
- Dec:
Note: My months generally start late and end late!
Remarks:
- Hispanic Heritage Month runs from September 15th to October 15th.
- White History Month I have moved from March to April because April is Confederate History Month! Heritage not Hate! How can I resist? Jefferson Davis here I come!
- Australia is not part of the US, as of this writing, but its history is similar enough to be enlightening to many living in the US or Canada.
Posts for Black History Month 2022:
Promised posts:
- chapters of “The 1619 Project”
- slavery in Libya
- War in Ethiopia
- African Christianity
- “Dum diversas”
- Moors
- South Africa
- voter suppression
- Wilmington Riot
- Zimbabwe
Proposed posts:
- Black Britain
- Egypt
- Uganda
- Kenya
- Tanzania
- D.R. Congo
- Mali
- Nilo-Saharans
- Ghana Empire
- Wolof Empire
- Africanisms
- 1619
- Angela of Jamestown
- Royal African Company
- African Burial Ground (New York)
- Africa Free School (New York)
- Haitian Revolution
- spirituals
- Sojourner Truth
- Liberia
- Republic of Maryland
- Draft Riots
- Reconstruction
- US racism in the 1800s
- US racism in the 1900s
- Negro Doll Factory
- pan-Africanism
- Langston Hughes
- Stokely Carmichael
- Afrocentricity
- Thurgood Marshall
- Mahalia Jackson
- Jessye Norman
- racial wealth gap
- Black Lives Matter
- voter suppression
- whoever Biden nominates for the Supreme Court
- Hunter Biden’s laptop
Actual posts so far:
Suggestions are welcomed!
– Abagond, 2022.
See also:
- Black Americans – a brief history (and a history of the history)
- history months past:
- Black – 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021
- White – 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021
- Asian – 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 (a bust) 2021
- Aboriginal – 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021
- Hispanic – 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021
- Native – 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021
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Abagond 
“Hunter Biden’s laptop”
ROTFLMAO 😂😂😂
“White History Month I have moved from March to April because April is Confederate History Month! Heritage not Hate! How can I resist? Jefferson Davis here I come!”
LOL!
Speaking of March, I’d like to recommend giving a nod to Women’s History Month. I’m not suggesting to add another full heritage month to the already ambitious schedule you’ve laid out here, but just one post about Black women’s history. Maybe also give a similar nod to Pride month.
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I hope that any article you write on South Africa and Rhodesia/Zimbabwe will take into account both sides of the story.
You can’t truly understand apartheid without understanding the Boer War, and how the trauma of losing 1/5 of their population in British concentration camps led the Boers to be very untrustworthy of outsiders. Apartheid was really about making sure the Boers had a country to call their own, that after trekking and fighting for their independence, they wouldn’t become a stateless minority group.
That said, some actions were committed by the apartheid government that went too far, and the apartheid government should have ceded more land to the Bantu tribes to build actually viable nations on (as opposed to the gerrymandered exclaves that couldn’t support themselves that were created).
In the case of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, don’t forget that Ian Smith’s goal was always a reasonably paced transition to multiracial rule, not eternal white rule. Also please remember that he lost an eye fighting against fascism in WWII, and that he was never corrupt or ostentatious like Mugabe was.
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I hope that your post on South Africa will present both sides of the story. Remember all the Boers endured during the Boer Wars and the Great Trek, before you judge them too harshly…
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“I hope that any article you write on South Africa and Rhodesia/Zimbabwe will take into account both sides of the story….Apartheid was really about making sure the Boers had a country to call their own…”
Oh please!
Thieves, murders, rapists and torturers painting themselves as bedraggled victims may be in fashion (back of hand to forehead), but it won’t wash away the blood of the people they’ve harmed for centuries.
The Boers already had a country to call their own—Holland.
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@Afrofem
“Thieves”
The Boers didn’t steal a thing. They were hardy and intrepid pioneers who built modern nations in the wilderness. Bantus had no concept of land ownership, anymore than elephants or zebras did.
“Murders”
Like the farm murders of innocent Boer farmers by wild Bantus in the “New South Africa”?
I know you meant to write “murderers”, but how can I take you seriously when you don’t even bother to proofread your comments before you post them?
“Rapists”
This never happened. Bantus in South Africa don’t have European admixture in their DNA, which they would had Europeans actually raped their ancestors. (See African-Americans for an example of this)
“Torturers”
This never happened, either. Conditions in apartheid prisons weren’t great, but there was no medieval-style torture of inmates.
And you can’t deny that the society built by the Boers was on a higher level of cultural and technological sophistication than anything the Bantus ever did. The fact is, Bantus never developed any high culture.
Most of the ancestry of Boers is not from the Netherlands, actually. It’s like telling White Americans to go back to England.
Land belongs rightfully to the first people to build a civilization on it, not to whatever tribesmen occupied it first. Blacks had the rest of Sub-Saharan Africa, Whites even gave up Rhodesia and Namibia. Demanding South Africa as well was pure greed.
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@ Paul Kruger
“Land belongs rightfully to the first people to build a civilization on it, not to whatever tribesmen occupied it first.”
This is your opinion. It is not international law.
I honestly didn’t expect to see you back here again after you failed to respond to the last few comments on the Pilgrims thread. Your idol Kruger was far less educated than people like Nelson Mandela, Patrice Lumumba, and Ho Chi Minh — the ones you characterize as illiterate primitive tribesmen. Kruger certainly wasn’t smart enough to come up with any new innovations or advances in civilization on his own. He couldn’t hold a candle to a mind like Gandhi’s.
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@ Paul Kruger
Your comment to Afrofem:
“I know you meant to write “murderers”, but how can I take you seriously when you don’t even bother to proofread your comments before you post them?”
From your previous comment:
“…how the trauma of losing 1/5 of their population in British concentration camps led the Boers to be very untrustworthy of outsiders”
I know you meant to write “untrusting” (or better yet, “distrustful”), but how can I take you seriously when you don’t even bother to proofread your comments before you post them?
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@Solitaire
I got busy and I couldn’t respond to the Pilgrim thread.
Kruger lived in a different century. The proper comparison to Kruger is Dingaan, a treacherous, illiterate murderer.
The proper comparison to Mandela is Dr. Hendrik Verwoerd. Dr. Verwoerd had many degrees and spoke multiple languages at a native level, with no foreign accent.
Dr. Verwoerd was the White MLK – both men had doctorates (although MLK plagiarized much of his thesis), and both men were murdered in the 1960s for defending their race.
Gandhi was a profoundly creepy man who slept naked with his teenage niece in his 70s.
Even if that wasn’t the case, why would any self-respecting Westerner like those who fought against Western interests?
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@ Paul Kruger
FYI, I had a comment to you stuck in auto-mod, right above your latest reply. It showed up just as I was typing this one.
What exactly are “Western interests”?
“Kruger lived in a different century.”
So what? There were plenty of non-white people who lived well before Kruger who were better educated, had sharper minds, and personally contributed more to the advancement of knowledge and civilization than he did.
You’re welcome to go back to the Pilgrims thread any time and explain to me how the Vietnamese used spears and slingshots to run the French and the USA out of their country.
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@ Paul Kruger
Having done some research online, it appears that the following statement is false:
“Bantus had no concept of land ownership, anymore than elephants or zebras did.”
The Bantus and the Khoisan both practiced communal land ownership, which is different from what you’re accustomed to (i.e., individual title), but which is still a valid type of land tenure with set rules and penalties for breaking those rules. Strangers are not allowed to use this land without being granted permission, and the community will defend the land from encroachment by outsiders. Various types of use (e.g., fishing, hunting, agriculture) of the same tract of land may be extended to different individuals/families, or all uses of the tract may fall under the purview of one individual/family, depending on the land tenure rules of the community. This is definitely more complex than the territorial behavior instinctual to elephants and zebras.
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“Land belongs rightfully to the first people to build a civilization on it, not to whatever tribesmen occupied it first. Blacks had the rest of Sub-Saharan Africa, Whites even gave up Rhodesia and Namibia. Demanding South Africa as well was pure greed.”
Land (territory) belongs to the humans and other species who inhabit that land. Particularly those societies who are indigenous to that land or territory.
Building a European
“civilization”colony on said land/territory is wholly irrelevant.Just because you refuse to acknowledge the beauty and sophistication of the indigenous cultures of Southern Africa (or anywhere outside of Europe) doesn’t negate their beauty and sophistication. Not to mention their ingenuity or humanity.
That willful refusal points to profound ignorance of other cultures plus the corrosive effects of White supremacist ideology.
Using your pretzel logic, I have the right to enter your home and take what I want because I’m “technologically advanced” or some other BS.
Then I would also be entitled to harm you and your family in myriad ways.
Oh yeah, I could imprison you for resisting my invasion, then torture you and your family because I’m so “civilized”. A civilized murderer
Finally, I could upbraid your family for being “greedy” when they insist I leave their home.
That reasoning is a lame cousin to “might makes right”. No matter how you dress it up, there’s still a tear a mile long in the back of this argument exposing the ugliness of it’s backside.
“Torturers”
This never happened, either. Conditions in apartheid prisons weren’t great, but there was no medieval-style torture of inmates.”
Tell that to Steven Biko and the thousands of indigenous South Africans tortured to death by the White South African government.
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2015/07/25/steve-biko/
“Rapists”
This never happened. Bantus in South Africa don’t have European admixture in their DNA, which they would had Europeans actually raped their ancestors.
Tell that to Sanda Laing whose two “White” parents recessive genes brought forth a Black child. There were certainly Bantus in the woodpile in those two families.
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/05/13/sandra-laing-a-black-girl-born-to-white-parents/
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@ Solitaire
Good show! LOL!
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@Solitaire
Western interests are the interests of ethnic Westerners and Western nations. From my perspective, colonialism was good, since it made Western companies richer, and gave Westerners more land to live.
You can’t lump all non-Whites together. Confucius doesn’t give Bantu tribesmen any moral right to land. Boers were an early modern society, Bantus a Stone Age or maybe Bronze Age society. Bantus never created anything worthwhile in the fields of art, culture, science, or philosophy prior to European contact. Even now, they’ve created very little.
The Vietnamese had favorable terrain, and unlike Bantus, they actually had a civilizational history.
But Vietnam doesn’t make me sad the way Rhodesia, Algeria, or South Africa did. Why? Because there was never a major Western settler population in Vietnam. If I were the American president in the 60s, I would have come to the defense of Rhodesia and French Algeria instead of Vietnam.
Communal land ownership is primitive and not worthy of consideration. The Bantus didn’t build any civilization on the land
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Paulie the comedian is back to entertain us: “In the case of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, don’t forget that Ian Smith’s goal was always a reasonably paced transition to multiracial rule, not eternal white rule. Also please remember that he lost an eye fighting against fascism in WWII, and that he was never corrupt or ostentatious like Mugabe was.”
Ian Smith: “Let me say it again. I don’t believe in black majority rule ever in Rhodesia—not in a thousand years. I repeat that I believe in blacks and whites working together. If one day it is white and the next day it is black, I believe we have failed and it will be a disaster for Rhodesia.”
If Smith wasn’t joking, Black rule would be ok one thousand and one years after 1965 or in 2966. Mugabe and Nkomo shortened his plans by 986 years. They were much smarter than Smith, so, ostentation was in order.
“The Bantus didn’t build any civilization on the land”.
Right. Great Zimbabwe was built by whites who vanished into thin air. Touching to see an adult who still believes the childish lies his parents told him.
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“Boers were an early modern society, Bantus a Stone Age or maybe Bronze Age society. Bantus never created anything worthwhile in the fields of art, culture, science, or philosophy prior to European contact. Even now, they’ve created very little.” More stupid jokes. Bantus were stone or bronze age? How dumb are you?
“The Haya were centuries ahead of European metallurgists
When Anthropologist Peter Schmidt first visited the Haya people of Tanzania on the western shore of Lake Victoria, nine years ago, his goal was to study their complex heritage, which is passed orally from one generation to the next. On that and subsequent trips, he not only accomplished what he had set out to do but made a serendipitous discovery that alters the history of technology.
Writing in the current issue of Science, Schmidt and Metallurgy Professor Donald Avery, both of Brown University, report that as long as 2,000 years ago, the Haya people were producing medium-carbon steel in preheated, forced-draft furnaces. A technology this sophisticated was not developed again until nearly 19 centuries later, when German-born Metallurgist Karl Wilhelm Siemens, who is generally credited with using an open-hearth furnace, produced the first high-grade carbon steel.”
“The archaeology of Igbo-Ukwu revealed bronze artifacts dated to the 9th century A.D. which were initially discovered by Isiah Anozie in 1939 while digging a well in his compound in Igbo-Ukwu, an Igbo town in Anambra State, Nigeria…Peter Garlake compares the Igbo-Ukwu bronzes “to the finest jewelry of rococo Europe or of Carl Faberge,”[2] and William Buller Fagg states they were created with “a strange rococo almost Faberge type virtuosity.”[3] Frank Willett says that the Igbo-Ukwu bronzes portray a standard that is comparable to that established by Benvenuto Cellini five hundred years later in Europe.[4] Denis Williams calls them “an exquisite explosion without antecedent or issue.”[5] One of the objects found, a water pot set in a mesh of simulated rope is described by Hugh Honour and John Fleming as
The high technical proficiency and lack of known prototypes of the Igbo-Ukwu bronzes led to initial speculation in the academic community that they must have been created after European contact and phantom voyagers were postulated. However research and isotope analysis has established that the source of the metals is of local origin and radio carbon dating has confirmed a 9th-century date, long before the earliest contact with Europe. The Igbo-Ukwu artifacts did away with the hitherto existing colonial era opinions in archeological circles that such magnificent works of art and technical proficiency could only originate in areas with contact to Europe, or that they could not be crafted in an acephalous or egalitarian society such as that of the Igbo.[2] Some of the glass and carnelian beads have been found to be produced in Old Cairo at the workshops of Fustat thus establishing that a long-distance trade system extending from Igbo Ukwu to Byzantine-era Egypt existed.[7][8][9][10] Archaeological sites containing iron smelting furnaces and slag have been excavated dating to 2000 BC in Lejja and 750 BC in Opi, both in the Nsukka region about 100 Kilometers east of Igbo-Ukwu.[11][12]”
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Paul the comedian is back to entertain us: “In the case of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, don’t forget that Ian Smith’s goal was always a reasonably paced transition to multiracial rule, not eternal white rule. Also please remember that he lost an eye fighting against fascism in WWII, and that he was never corrupt or ostentatious like Mugabe was.”
Ian Smith: “Let me say it again. I don’t believe in black majority rule ever in Rhodesia—not in a thousand years. I repeat that I believe in blacks and whites working together. If one day it is white and the next day it is black, I believe we have failed and it will be a disaster for Rhodesia.”
If Smith wasn’t joking, Black rule would be ok one thousand and one years after 1965 or in 2966. Mugabe and Nkomo shortened his plans by 986 years. They were much smarter than Smith, so, ostentation was in order.
“The Bantus didn’t build any civilization on the land”.
Right. Great Zimbabwe was built by whites who vanished into thin air. Touching to see an adult who still believes the childish lies his parents told him.
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@ Abagond
A lot of the comments on this thread are getting thrown to auto-mod.
I know that the name of the nation that begins with a Z is a moderated word, and that’s what triggered comments by Gro Jo and Paul Kruger to go to temporary limbo.
But this comment by Afrofem:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2022/02/09/welcome-to-black-history-month-2022/#comment-580425
and my comment here:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2022/02/09/welcome-to-black-history-month-2022/#comment-580414
didn’t use the Z-word. Are there other words associated with southern African nations (like B–r) that are moderated?
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@ Paul Kruger
“Western interests are the interests of ethnic Westerners and Western nations. From my perspective, colonialism was good, since it made Western companies richer, and gave Westerners more land to live.”
You haven’t specified what those interests are. Unless you’re saying Western interests are limited to getting rich and powerful, not anything more.
Also, how are you defining “ethnic Westerners”?
“Communal land ownership is primitive and not worthy of consideration.”
Again, this is your opinion, and it’s an uninformed one that tells me you’ve never studied anthropology or world history in any depth.
But you have to at least admit that it’s more complex and civilized than the territorial instincts of elephants and zebras.
Which brings me to this question:
Why do you think it’s acceptable to come to a blog written by a Black American on topics concerning Black people, with a readership that is primarily Black including some commenters in Africa (at least one of whom identifies as Bantu), and liken Black Africans to elephants and zebras? Why do you think it’s okay to come to this Black space and describe Blacks as primitive, wild, illiterate, and ignorant? Is that civilized behavior on your part? Because it seems rude and uncouth to me.
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Why waste your time responding to a white south African racist?
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“Communal land ownership is primitive and not worthy of consideration. The Bantus didn’t build any civilization on the land”
When I was around 9 years old, I sat down with one of my mother’s sociology textbooks to see if I could learn a few more words that day.
I turned to a page where the author had a table that compared “civilized” societies with “non-civilized” societies.
The “civilized” side included: the written word, the wheel, metal working and agriculture among other attributes.
The “non-civilized” side included: verbal communications with no written word, stone tools, no wheels or beasts of burden and hunting and gathering.
Even at that tender age, I understood the author (a White male academic) was describing European society as “civilized” and other societies as “uncivilized” in varying degrees.
I also understood that his definition of “civilized” was flawed and far too narrow. His definition was based solely on mechanical technology.
Left unmentioned were attributes I associated (then and now) with the word “civilized”. Behaviors and modes of thinking that centered around how people treated each other. How they treated the land around them. How they viewed their place in the scheme of things. How they viewed the Divine.
At 9 years old, I didn’t have the vocabulary to describe those concepts of “civilized” that rested on behaviors and modes of thinking. Yet, I knew technology alone was not an indicator of “civilized” or “civilization”.
Plus, even at 9 years old, through my reading, I was able to think of two exceptions to that author’s definition of “civilized”:
◉ The Aztecs and Maya never developed the wheel, yet had remarkable technical cultures and social sophistication beyond anything in Europe at the time.
◉ The Aboriginal people of Australia fit the author’s view of uncivilized, yet had highly developed social and spiritual cultures that made European culture look like a barbaric backwater.
I had already begun to question the use of words like, “the world” or “international” to describe things that only happened in the USA or Europe. I knew at 9 years old the world include many more people than just Europeans or Americans.
The word “primitive” seemed yet another way to elevate European technical culture over other cultures. “Primitive” started sounding phony and nonsensical to me even then.
What I’ve realized since adulthood is that those classifications and labels are a way for “ethnic Westerners and Western nations” to justify theft, murder, rape and torture of the rest of humanity.
They tell themselves (and anyone else who will listen) those myths to feel good about themselves. Simple ego elevation.
Then there is the profit motive.
In 1975 acclaimed author, the late Toni Morrison dissected White supremacists motives in a speech. She explained why racist myths continue to swirl around the cultures of “ethnic Westerners and Western nations”.
The most famous quote from that speech is:
https://latinolikeme.wordpress.com/2015/10/28/the-function-of-racism/
For people like P. Kruger and his or her compatriots, there will always be one more thing because race isn’t the issue, profit is the issue.
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@ Solitaire
I just unmoderated “Zimbabwe” in honour of Black History Month. It is beloved by racist trolls, but it is also an actual country in Africa.
Afrofem’s comment was moderated because it had more than two links. A YouTube link or a third link will get your comment moderated.
I do not know why your comment was moderated. Presumably an accidental match on something moderated, but it is not clear what. A false positive.
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@ Abagond
Thank you for the information. I originally counted only two links in Afrofem’s comment, not stopping to think that the photo also constituted a link.
“I do not know why your comment was moderated. Presumably an accidental match on something moderated, but it is not clear what. A false positive.”
OK, so then Boer isn’t a moderated word. Guess it was a glitch this time, no big deal.
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So I’ve been reading up on Hendrik Verwoerd, the guy Paul Kruger called the White MLK. Verwoerd is known in South Africa as “the architect of apartheid.” He was a Nazi sympathizer who vocally opposed the admission into South Africa of Jewish refugees fleeing Germany and who published Nazi propaganda during WW2, when South Africa was on the Allied side.
And get this, he was born in the Netherlands. He was a first-generation immigrant who could have gone back home any time.
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@ afrofem, solitaire
liked your comments/replies (re:Paul)
In Islamic philosophy, the type of arguments put forward by Paul are called “Devil’s logic” = an arbitrary criteria of “superiority” is chosen upon which to base justifications for unfair entitlements.
The opposite of devils logic would be arguments based on the starting premise that all humanity is of equivalent value….that we are “family”. (Unity/Tawheed)
So, according to Devils logic–if–P has siblings…but P decides that he is “superior” because he went to college and his siblings did not…therefore he was entitled to everything his siblings possessed….and any harm done by him to his siblings was therefore justified.
That is how one loses one’s humanity and turns into monsters…..
the opposite (Unity) would be…
P is poor and has an intellectually disabled sibling…P goes through much trials and hurdles to finish college…he then responsibly uses his education/privilege to better the personal and social environment for his sibling as well as for others less privileged so that they too may have benefits.
That is how one becomes more humane…..and builds happier societies/nations…
Apartheid (and colonialism) is a system based on devils logic.
Therefore it will never contribute to the human family.
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@ Abagond
Black Britain and Nilo-Saharans get my vote.
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@Afrofem
Being indigenous means nothing if your culture is primitive. As Winston Churchill said, “I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time.”
Bantu cultures had no beauty or sophistication. They were primitive. I don’t care about “humanity”. I am an ethnic Westerner first, second, and third, a man fourth, a citizen of my state fifth, and a human last.
I fully acknowledge some non-Western cultures are beautiful and sophisticated, for example Japan. The only civilizations of note Africa ever had were Egypt and Carthage (descended from pre-Islamic Middle Easterners), French Algeria, Rhodesia, and the Boer/Afrikaner civilizations (descended from Europeans).
You have no right to enter my home since you are no more sophisticated than me. What percentage of your ancestors were literate in 1700 or even 1800?
If you were genuinely more civilized and technologically advanced than my people, it would be my right. And in fact, the Boers were way nicer than they could have been. After all, Bantus are now 80% of South Africa, whereas Amerindians are only 1% of the USA. And look where our kindness got us. Bantus are far more anti-White than Amerindians these days…
Biko was a radical militant who was a threat to the stability of the state. As Les Miserables says, “death to each and every traitor!” And the number of prisoners killed by the Afrikaner government pales in comparison to the number of German civilians killed by allied bombings and “expulsions” (brutal, murderous ethnic cleansing), or even the number of black Africans killed by black African governments. If the United States government had taken a more aggressive approach to subduing the BLM movement, it wouldn’t be wreaking so much havoc…
Sandra Laing was clearly the result of an affair. And yes, most Afrikaners are about 5% non-White genetically, a mix of Khoisan, West African, East African, South Asian, Indonesian, and a little East Asian. There is no Bantu blood in them, since Bantus were not in the Western Cape during the Dutch Cape Colony days, and by the time the Afrikaners encountered Bantus, there was a strong taboo against having “relations” with native tribes.
@gro jo
Did you even read the quote you posted? Smith believed in multiracial rule, as he clearly says in the quote.
Mugabe and Nkomo were murderous tear-o-wrists (intentionally misspelled to avoid my comment not showing up) who shot down airplanes full of innocent civilians. And the country Mugabe created proves Smith right.
Great Zimbebwabwabwe (lol! Funny play on words, but last time I wrote the Z-word, my comment didn’t show up, so I’m writing it like this) pales in comparison to the buildings of European Classical Antiquity. Very primitive stuff. It’s considered to be “Iron Age”, even though it was built about a millennium ago, and in Europe, the Iron Age ended 2,500 years ago. So your argument for Bantus being advanced is that they were only 1,500 years behind Europe. Lol!
Bronze artifacts pale in comparison to writing, philosophy, sophisticated music and literature. I looked up their appearance, and they are nowhere near the marble statues of Classical Antiquity.
@Solitaire
Ethnic Westerners is another word for indigenous Europeans and their diaspora. Western interests means keeping uitlanders (members of foreign ethnic groups) out of our lands, increasing our wealth, and acquiring new lands to settle.
As for elephants and zebras, they may be slightly less sophisticated than Bantus in terms of land ownership, but they never destroyed a Western nation, so I have no problem with them.
I can ask you a similar question: why do Africans (and Muslims) think it’s acceptable to migrate to Western nations en masse? Brits are a minority in London, Frenchmen are a minority in Paris, 35% of the under-50 population in the Netherlands isn’t ethnically Dutch, 1/4 of births in Ireland are to a non-Irish mother.
And then they have the gall to tell us that our homelands are too White, like that Muslim in Scotland did. Humza Yousaf, and no, I don’t care that he was born there. A dog born in a stable isn’t a horse.
It reminds me of one of my favorite songs, “Sludge Factory” by Alice In Chains, which begins:
“You insult me in my home, you’re forgiven this time”
They migrate en masse to our homelands, and then they insult us in our homelands. Sure, we’ve mostly forgiven them up until now, but the Winds of Change are finally starting to blow in a different direction. Look at Eric Zemmour’s growing popularity in France. BLM and other anti-Western blacktivist groups seem to think that the White man has an endless tolerance for seeing his heroes vilified, his people replaced, his children disadvantaged by affirmative action, but they are wrong, and always have been wrong. We may forgive them this time, but our forgiveness is wearing quite thin…
And sure, Ian Smith was defeated (mostly because other Western leaders stabbed him in the back), but let others rise to take his place until the West is free!
@Afrofem
If you are not literate, you aren’t civilized. Literacy is what separates history from prehistory.
Europeans aren’t the only civilized people. East Asians are civilized, as are upper-caste Indians, as were Middle Easterners before Islam, as are Latin Americans (although their civilization is a Western civilization that has been adulterated with African and Amerindian elements)
The Aztecs ripped people’s hearts out as a sacrifice to their false gods. Evil.
The Aborigines were the most primitive to ever exist. Their spirituality was false, and they were even more backwards than the Bantus.
Colonialism was even good for the natives of Africa, believe it or not. We taught them to read and write, we told them about God, we have them schools, libraries, and hospitals.
@Solitaire
The fact that you would expect Boer to be a moderated word says a lot about your prejudices.
Dr. Verwoerd wasn’t perfect, but allowing a mass migration of Jewish refugees would have made Afrikaners a minority of South African Whites. The only alternative would have been letting them in, and then classifying them as non-White. Why would Afrikaners throw away the opportunity to have a state of their own?
Britain should have allowed unrestricted Jewish migration to Israel before WWII.
@anon
It’s not arbitrary. No sensible person could think that illiterate tribal primitives are on the same level as literate and educated Westerners.
All of my siblings went to college. And colonialism did involve Westerners using their superior civilization to uplift the Bantus. Unfortunately, the Bantus chose to be stubborn and ungrateful. That’s on them, not us.
@Afrofem
“Black Britain” only exists because of traitorous immigration policies. Hopefully what’s wrong will be set right.
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“Did you even read the quote you posted? Smith believed in multiracial rule, as he clearly says in the quote.” Yes he did believe in “multiracial” rule as long as Blacks were the ruled and Whites the ones doing the ruling. Messrs. Mugabe and Nkomo showed him up for the deluded fool he was.
Did it ever occur to you to ask why Rhodesia was history after 15 years instead of 1001 years? You sneer at Great Zimbabwe, fine, now tell me why Whites were eager to claim it as part of their heritage?
“So your argument for Bantus being advanced is that they were only 1,500 years behind Europe. Lol!”
You skipped the following in your Kruger rant: “Writing in the current issue of Science, Schmidt and Metallurgy Professor Donald Avery, both of Brown University, report that as long as 2,000 years ago, the Haya people were producing medium-carbon steel in preheated, forced-draft furnaces. A technology this sophisticated was not developed again until nearly 19 centuries later, when German-born Metallurgist Karl Wilhelm Siemens, who is generally credited with using an open-hearth furnace, produced the first high-grade carbon steel…Frank Willett says that the Igbo-Ukwu bronzes portray a standard that is comparable to that established by Benvenuto Cellini five hundred years later in Europe.[4]”
By the way, several creators of the “writing, philosophy, sophisticated music and literature” you brag about were of black African ancestry.
Writing/Literature- Machado de Assis (Brazil), Alexandre Dumas (père et fils) (France), Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin (Russia).
Philosophy- Gaston Berger (France)
Sophisticated Music- Chevalier de Saint-George, George Bridgetower, Samuel Coleridge-Taylor.
You’ll be tempted to point out the white ancestry of my sample, fine, but you must also explain why they managed to outshine their white relatives and whites in general.
“Colonialism was even good for the natives of Africa, believe it or not. We taught them to read and write, we told them about God, we have them schools, libraries, and hospitals.”
Mugabe was even better because more schools, libraries and hospitals were created during his rule. A number of highly educated Africans are the beneficiaries of his rule. By the way, Mugabe was vastly superior to Smith as far as intellect goes. Ian Smith was a dumb jock who, “…passed the exams to gain his commerce degree (“by some miracle”, he recalled)…”
while Robert Gabriel Mugabe can claim the following ACADEMIC DEGREES:
Bachelor of Arts (History and English) (BA) degree from the University of Fort Hare (1951)
Bachelor of Administration (B.Admin) from University of South Africa (Unisa)
Bachelor of Education (B.Ed) from the University of South Africa (Unisa)
Bachelor of Science (BSc.) in Economics from University of London (External Programme)
Bachelor of Laws (LLB) from University of London (External Programme)
Master of Laws (LL.M) from University of London (External Programme)
Master of Science (MSc.) in Economics from University of London (External Programme)
The struggle to kill Rhodesia was one between a dumb white jock and a subtle and sharp black intellectual. It was an unfair fight whose outcome was predetermined.
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@gro jo
Smith believed in eventual progression to power sharing between Whites and Blacks on a 50/50 basis, and thought it would come by 2000.
Rhodesia was stabbed in the back by other Western nations. America should have fought communists in Rhodesia instead of Vietnam, where there was no significant Western population to protect.
It’s funny you call it a “Kruger rant”. The fact that South Africa keeps Oom Paul’s name and portrait on its most valuable coin shows that even Bantus recognize that Kruger has a more high-class association than any Bantu figure.
I believe Whites claimed Arabs built Great Z…if it were up to me, we would have dynamited it during the colonial era.
OK, one East African tribe did some metallurgy thing. Still pales in comparison to all the great inventions and philosophy from Europeans.
All the people you mentioned were raised in Western cultures. My argument was about Western vs African culture, not race. There is a small subset of African natives who are intelligent enough to do well when raised in a Western culture.
And it’s utterly ridiculous to claim Pushkin (1/8 Black) and Dumas Sr (1/4 Black) and Jr (1/8 Black) as examples of great Black intellectuals. Might as well claim Malcolm X (who had a White maternal grandfather) as a great White intellectual then.
Mugabe was a brutal tear-a-wrist (spelled that way because the proper spelling results on the comment not showing up). He stole land from Whites and caused the destruction of an Anglo-Saxon nation. Much of Rhodesia’s infrastructure comes from Smith, even today.
A small number of educated Africans benefiting doesn’t outweigh the displacement of 300,000 of my people (Whites).
Smith was a better leader than Mugabe. Mugabe, not Smith, caused famine and hyperinflation. Smith was a modest and decent man who drove his own car without a massive entourage of hangers-on and security guards. Mugabe used his power to enrich his family and friends, Smith didn’t. Smith fought against Mussolini in WWII, Mugabe didn’t. Smiths grandparents were all literate, none of Mugabe’s were.
So even if I accept your characterization of Smith as a “dumb white jock” and Mugabe as a “subtle and sharp black intellectual”, the “dumb jock” did a much better job of ruling the country.
May Mr. Smith’s memory be a blessing to all proud Westerners, wherever they may reside.
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@ Paul Kruger
Re:
“murderous tear-o-wrists (intentionally misspelled to avoid my comment not showing up)”
&
“Great Zimbebwabwabwe (lol! Funny play on words, but last time I wrote the Z-word, my comment didn’t show up, so I’m writing it like this)”
If you had read through all the comments before posting, you’d have seen that Abagond removed Zimbabwe from the list of moderated words.
You also should have read the comment policy long before now:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/comment-policy/
“The fact that you would expect Boer to be a moderated word says a lot about your prejudices.”
No, it means I was trying to figure out which word in my comment tripped the wire. There’s a list of moderated words in the comment policy, but it doesn’t contain every single moderated word. You may note for yourself that there are already anti-White racial slurs on that list. If someone in the past had frequently used Boer as a racial slur, the word could have ended up being moderated.
“Why would Afrikaners throw away the opportunity to have a state of their own?”
It sure seems like the Afrikaners got trounced repeatedly by the British. It could also be argued that the British had a superior culture — art, literature, music, etc. — as well as military superiority over the Afrikaners. By your own logic, shouldn’t the Afrikaners have willingly and gratefully submitted to the rule of the superior civilization?
“I can ask you a similar question: why do Africans (and Muslims) think it’s acceptable to migrate to Western nations en masse?”
But you didn’t answer my question, which is why you personally think it’s acceptable and civilized behavior for you as an individual to come to this Black space and insult Black people.
I can also ask you a similar question: why do indigenous Europeans think it’s acceptable to migrate to non-European continents en masse?
I could answer your question by going into a long explanation about how African and Muslim immigration is a direct result of Europeans first invading, colonizing, and exploiting their lands.
Or I could address the question on the level at which your intellect appears to work and say, if primitive people ape their betters — as you appear to believe — then it’s on the “civilized” people to be smart enough not to role model behavior they don’t want copied. There’s an ancient indigenous European saying: “Turnabout is fair play.”
“I don’t care about “humanity”. I am an ethnic Westerner first, second, and third, a man fourth, a citizen of my state fifth, and a human last.”
How telling of you to admit to your own inhumanity like that.
I also noticed that you’re not couching your opinions as much in your most recent comments. Already you’re dropping not-so-subtle threats of violence against POC. How much lower will your mask slip?
“we told them about God”
Are you a believer?
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@ Rabab
Good to see you again. Hope your studies are going well.
“Why waste your time responding to a white south African racist?”
It’s for the lurkers. We know some of them benefit and grow from reading these exchanges, because some of us used to be lurkers.
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@ Paul Kruger
I sense that you are full of racial resentment against colored people (or non White people). Probably you feel they should not being enjoying the big benefits in standard of life from the civilization that Whites created. They should have remained as colonized subjects. The world until the middle of the XXth century was essentially right, almost perfect, despite some “nuisances” like World War II or the Cold War that came next. Are you following me? Am I right?
An interesting guy in American politics, who could be your best friend, if you both met, is David Duke. He went to Russia several times and could not stop saying out loud how happy he was being in a so pure White society there. If only America could follow that pure example! See, https://www.cbsnews.com/news/david-duke-to-russia-with-hate/
But, back home (USA), it seems that bureaucrats were not impressed, and they searched his home looking for possible malfeasance.
David Duke dreams of a worldwide unity of the White race. Like you dream.
But I bring bad news for you both: it will not gonna happen soon, probably not in the next decades or even a century.
And the reason why?
Let’s try to make an abstract mental exercise.
How many missiles equipped with a nuclear device are there in America?
And in Russia?
Let’s assume some thousands of them in both arsenals.
Next question. Where are the overwhelming majority of those deadly objects pointing to? The answer is… the answer is… the answer is…?
To Africa!!!
Wrong answer: the overpopulated cities of Lagos or Kinshasa are not in the cross-hairs of neither the USA or Russia. Despite the many millions of Blacks living there!
It seems that the men in power in both countries do not share your super-hate of Blacks and do not plan to kill them in large numbers! Jesus why?
The answer is… the answer is…?
Yes. They are pointing to each other. They plan to annihilate large places where the majority of citizens are …. … … White!
And this devilish situation is not gonna change anytime soon!
And the dreams of a worldwide racial cohesion of Whites is just a dream.
You cannot like, but this world is a much more complicated place than it appears at first sight.
But let me digress a little bit and follow me to the animal kingdom.
Let’s stop close to a swamp full of water and… crocodiles!
Do you see the bigger one out there?
It is after females and occasionally it looks to potential adversaries. Not the small ones, you know, these are not big game. But other large ones which can dream of overriding it and catch the females for themselves. For them it will keep a eye and the adrenaline ready for a fight! Do you see?
This is our world, in the human as well as in the animal kingdom!
Note – Pardon my mistakes. English is not my native language.
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“It’s for the lurkers.” Not in my case, I do it to ridicule idiots like Paul. Abagond could spare his audience the bother of reading Paulie’s rants by blocking his bs. I blame Abagond for this crap. Apparently he has some kind of arrangement with the University of Niggrology to let their graduates matriculate by posting their delusional nonsense here.
Now back to our brand new Niggrologist.
“And it’s utterly ridiculous to claim Pushkin (1/8 Black) and Dumas Sr (1/4 Black) and Jr (1/8 Black) as examples of great Black intellectuals. Might as well claim Malcolm X (who had a White maternal grandfather) as a great White intellectual then.”
Clueless as ever aren’t you? You should take that complaint up with your fellow whites who never tired of reminding Pushkin and Dumas père of their racial affiliation to blacks. My challenge to you is to explain how descendants of an inferior race, “…only 1,500 years behind Europe.” managed to catch up and surpass the average European, surely such feat deserves an explanation. How come the children, grand children of Marie-Cessette Dumas managed to outshine their white relatives? How come Abram Petrovich Gannibal, engineer, cryptographer, polyglot, father to Ivan Gannibal, Russian hero of the Russo-Turkish war (1768-1774) and great grand father of Pushkin, contributed so much to a culture that wasn’t his? The fact that you consider Malcolm X a great intellectual doesn’t speak well for your intellect. X was charismatic but no thinker. My point is that this Western culture you wish to defend is as much mine as it is yours because of the contributions of the people mentioned above and others like Matzeliger, Rillieux, mensah, Olukotun, etc.,
“So even if I accept your characterization of Smith as a “dumb white jock” and Mugabe as a “subtle and sharp black intellectual”, the “dumb jock” did a much better job of ruling the country.”
How could you avoid doing so, he was quite modest about his intellectual achievements, hence his “by some miracle” remark. Mugabe was the most educated head of state during his tenure. If Smith did such great job ruling why was he dropped by the “WEST”? Your talk of ‘betrayal” is nonsense since his regime was helped by the same “WEST” until it was determined to be inviable.
“A small number of educated Africans benefiting doesn’t outweigh the displacement of 300,000 of my people (Whites).”
In your judgement, not mine. I’ll let the facts speak for themselves: “The value for Secondary education, pupils in Zimbabwe was 957,461 as of 2013. As the graph below shows, over the past 43 years this indicator reached a maximum value of 957,461 in 2013 and a minimum value of 49,845 in 1970.”
Under the ‘terrible’ Mugabe the number of secondary education pupils in 2013 was 19.2 times what it was under the very modest Ian Smith and 3.19 times the white population you claim was displaced. As for land theft, your 300,000 whites stole the land from blacks as well as their labor power at gunpoint.
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Bantu cultures had no beauty or sophistication.
How would you know? Your rants indicate an ideologue who is grossly ignorant of other cultures.
I find Bantu cultures beautiful and sophisticated and I’ll admit I have a lot to learn about the wide variety of Bantu cultures on the Continent.
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The Aztecs ripped people’s hearts out as a sacrifice to their false gods. Evil.
The Spanish tortured, eviserated, and burned thousands of innocent women and men as sacrifice to their false notion of God during the Inquisition.
The Catholic Church in Spain basically terrorized the population of Spain and its colonies for several hundred years. Nearly all of the people killed were victims of false rumors and innuendo.
I find that evil.
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@ Afrofem
And it wasn’t just the Spanish, nor only the Catholics. During the same era, Protestants in a number of European countries were also torturing innocent people and burning them at the stake.
Basically, at the same time Aztecs were offering human hearts to their gods, the Europeans were offering burnt sacrifices to theirs.
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@ Solitaire
Very true!
Catholics and Protestants alike were involved in that orgy of killing.
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I don’t care about “humanity”. I am an ethnic Westerner first, second, and third, a man fourth, a citizen of my state fifth, and a human last.
Has it escaped your notice that to be all of those labels you must first be human?
Perhaps you are not human. Perhaps you are a mutated eel, egret or elk?
If so, I would love to read about your mutation in a science journal. Should make for fascinating reading.
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@Solitaire
I have read the comment policy. That’s why I write “tear-o-wrists” or “tear-a-wrists”. I didn’t realize Zimbabwe has been removed from the list. I will stop writing Zimbebwabwabwe now, even though it cracks me up. I love laughing at primitive names and cultures, but that’s off topic.
Rhodesia is a much better name from an aesthetic standpoint. It looks more like a country name, for one thing (think Indonesia or any of the other countries that end in -a or -ia). It’s more civilized-sounding as well.
How could anyone think that calling someone a Boer is an insult? Boers represented one of the greatest manifestations of the human spirit.
The British won the war but ultimately lost the peace. In 1907, the former Boer Republics had Afrikaner Prime Ministers, in 1910, South African became a self-governing dominion with an Afrikaner PM, in 1948, a legal system to protect Afrikaners was put in place, in 1961, the Afrikaners ditched the British monarchy and South Africa was fully independent.
And the British and Afrikaners are equals from a civilizational standpoint. It’s not humiliating to be beaten by your equals the way it is to be beaten by your inferiors. And the only reason Rhodesia was beaten is because it was the sacrificial lamb. Other Western countries sacrificed it to appease liberal blacktivists.
Let others rise to take Smith’s place until the West is free!
You get what you give. Blacks constantly demand access to White spaces and then insult us and demand we change things to suit them. And whereas I’m just a commentator on a blog, millions of Africans have forced their way into Europe, and I fear that it is demographically doomed.
Back to “Sludge Factory”, the Alice In Chains song I referenced:
“Now the body of one soul I adore wants to die
You have always told me you’d not live past 25
I say stay long enough to repay all who caused strife”
This almost certainly isn’t how Layne Staley meant it, but here’s how I interpret it from a pro-Western perspective
The body (demographic makeup) of one soul (Western civilization) wants to die (Westerners becoming a minority in our own homelands)
Unless repatriation of uitlanders begins before 2025, it will likely be too late and the West will have passed the demographic point of no return
However, Westerners shouldn’t throw the towel in just yet. We should stick around long enough to “repay all who caused strife” (to give those who tear down our statues and fill our countries with unassimilable uitlanders and destroyed the Western countries in Africa a piece of our mind)
Why can we migrate elsewhere? Because we spread our superior civilizations. Compare Boer society to Bantu society. Whereas migrants in Europe are dragging the continent down.
I don’t care why Africans and Muslims are coming to our countries to replace us. It only matters that they are and they must be stopped. And even if you think colonialism was wrong, all the leaders from back then are dead (the British Queen is a powerless figurehead who doesn’t count). Why should modern Westerners be punished with replacement migration for something we aren’t personally responsible for?
The only reason that third worlders are even able to migrate to our countries is because we were far nicer to them during the colonial era than we could have been…
P(ickers) O(f) C(otton) aren’t hiding their hatred for our history, our heroes, our monuments, or their desire to demographically replace us. Why should I hide my distaste for their devious ways?
I never made any threats. Private citizens committing acts of violence is primitive, third world behavior. Do I wish that Western governments, both past and present, had been far more willing to apply violence to protect Western hegemony? Yes. But I have never personally threatened anyone, nor would I. It’s beneath me.
@munubantu
You are correct. The world was at its best in the early/mid 1900s.
I don’t care for David Duke. He is too obsessed with the Jews. Jews are our allies, not our enemies. Israel was a good ally of South Africa and Rhodesia.
And Russia has a growing Islamic population, unfortunately.
I’m completely against brother wars (wars between Western nations). If we had circled our wagons and worked as a united front to defeat the third world populations in the mid-20th century instead of killing tens of millions of each other in the World Wars, we would still rule the world today.
@gro jo
Oh, please. Pushkin and Dumas were not seen as being fully African. They were mostly White with some admixture. And they didn’t surpass Europeans. A small percentage of Western cultural, artistic, and intellectual figures have some Black blood. So what? Even Paul Kruger (my namesake, the Boer leader) was 1/256 Khoisan. Doesn’t change the fact that he was a White man who looked White, acted White, and fought for Whites. The one drop rule is stupid. If you act and look White, and ally yourself with Whites, it doesn’t matter if you have a few percent of whatever in your blood.
Look up the Bell Curve. There are some Africans with high IQs, who can succeed when raised Western.
The fact that 1% (if that) of Western cultural/intellectual/artistic figures had some black blood doesn’t give blacks a claim to Western civilization. If it does, then Whites have a claim to everything African-Americans ever created, since virtually all of them have significant Anglo-American admixture (20% of their genome on average).
Smith turned Rhodesia into the Breadbasket of Africa. Mugabe turned it into a basket case with hyperinflation and 1/4 of the population living elsewhere to escape the poverty and starvation. Mugabe had more education, but he was far worse at running the country. Between Smith and Mugabe, I’d bet money on Smith being in Heaven and Mugabe not being there right now.
Smith was dropped by the West because opposing Rhodesia was an easy way for politicians to gain Black votes, and because many Whites in the 60s and 70s were quite self-hating.
Sure, maybe more students went to school under Mugabe, but more people starved under him. And I don’t care about the well-being of the Bantu natives anyway…Smith defended the Rhodesian Whites, Mugabe stole from them and drove them out of the country. I am loyal to my volk, just like you are to yours. The Bantu tribesmen had no right to the land, anymore than the Amerindians or Aborigines did. Churchill explained this decades ago.
@Afrofem – Bantus never had high culture. Nothing akin to opera, theater, or literature. They didn’t even have proper clothing.
The Spanish Inquisition had its excesses, and they were wrong to target Jews, but their crusade to rid Spain of Islam was noble and righteous. If only the French had done the same in Algeria…
If modern societies still burned people at the stake for subversive ideologies, BLM, feminism, CRT, and other anti-Western ideologies would have been nipped in the bud years ago…Burning may be a bit cruel, but we have less painful methods these days.
And to be human one must be a mammal, but no one identifies as a mammal first and foremost. There is nothing on earth that I share with Bantus. Just like the their Jean Valjean and the noble Inspector Javert.
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“Oh, please. Pushkin and Dumas were not seen as being fully African.(True) They were mostly White with some admixture.(True) And they didn’t surpass Europeans.(False) A small percentage of Western cultural, artistic, and intellectual figures have some Black blood. So what?(It undermines the white superiority myth) Even Paul Kruger (my namesake, the Boer leader) was 1/256 Khoisan. Doesn’t change the fact that he was a White man who looked White, acted White, and fought for Whites. The one drop rule is stupid. If you act and look White, and ally yourself with Whites, it doesn’t matter if you have a few percent of whatever in your blood. (We are in agreement here. My conclusion is that white is just another way of saying thief. Your ” Oom Paul” was down with the program of robbery so he belongs to the white race. If race was the biological fact you and other racists like to pretend it is your “Oom Paul” wouldn’t exist.
“Look up the Bell Curve. There are some Africans with high IQs, who can succeed when raised Western.(and lots of whites who fail when raised that way).
“The fact that 1% (if that) of Western cultural/intellectual/artistic figures had some black blood doesn’t give blacks a claim to Western civilization. If it does, then Whites have a claim to everything African-Americans ever created, since virtually all of them have significant Anglo-American admixture (20% of their genome on average).”(Everything African-Americans ever created is part of Western civilization regardless of your opinion)
“Smith turned Rhodesia into the Breadbasket of Africa. (bs) Mugabe turned it into a basket case with hyperinflation and 1/4 of the population living elsewhere to escape the poverty and starvation. (With the help of the ‘West’ because he refused to allow them to shirk their responsibility for dispossessing the African population during colonial time) Mugabe had more education, but he was far worse at running the country.(19.2 times the number of secondary pupils and black farmers benefiting from growing tobacco instead of a handful of whites tells me you are a crybaby loser) Between Smith and Mugabe, I’d bet money on Smith being in Heaven and Mugabe not being there right now.(Whatever)”
“Smith was dropped by the West because opposing Rhodesia was an easy way for politicians to gain Black votes, and because many Whites in the 60s and 70s were quite self-hating.(bs, they saw Smith as a dumb jock who was wasting their money so they dropped him and his enterprise like any other bad investment. Being a racist, therefore, a sentimental slob, you just can’t grasp such cold logic.)”
“Sure, maybe more students went to school under Mugabe,(No maybe about that) but more people starved under him.(That claim is backed by what? The Breadbasket claim pertains to the fact that Rhodesia exported foodstuff It says nothing about how adequately the African population was fed. Under Smith and Mugabe, the Africans got their food from African farmers) And I don’t care about the well-being of the Bantu natives anyway(Nobody claimed you did)…Smith defended the Rhodesian Whites,(I care not one whit about that) Mugabe stole from them and drove them out of the country.(Mugabe returned the land to its rightful owners.) I am loyal to my volk, just like you are to yours. The Bantu tribesmen had no right to the land, anymore than the Amerindians or Aborigines did. Churchill explained this decades ago.(Since the Africans gained the knowledge to force your ‘volk’ to cough up what they stole, your ‘volk’ deserve what they got”
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*off-topic dien bien phu was not won with slingshots and spears, nor was the vietnam war, sorry,
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There is nothing on earth that I share with Bantus.
What a hoot!
Now you are descending into ever more ridiculous rants in an attempt to refute our comments.
Your desire to be a White supremacist troll (which gives a lot of pleasure) on a Black-oriented site is overriding your gray matter.
LMBAO!!!!!!
Of course you share attributes with Bantus. You share a common humanity, art, music, dance, storytelling, science and the need for community.
If those basic human elements are missing from your life, you are the impoverished one.
The Bantus of Southern Africa, the people of the global African Diaspora, the Maya of the Yucatan, the Inuit of Alaska, the Mapuche of Argentina, and the Karen of Thailand all have a firm grip on their humanity. Among many ethnic groups who have no problems with their humanity.
They are all doing fine without you and your ilk.
No validation from lazy, ignorant White supremacists is needed for them or for me.
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@ Paul Kruger
“The British won the war but ultimately lost the peace.”
Only because the British were nicer to the Afrikaners than they could have been.
“in 1961, the Afrikaners ditched the British monarchy and South Africa was fully independent.”
How long did the Afrikaners manage to keep power?
“And the only reason Rhodesia was beaten is because it was the sacrificial lamb. Other Western countries sacrificed it”
If a nation does not have the strength to exist on its own, it’s the fault of that nation.
“And the British and Afrikaners are equals from a civilizational standpoint.”
How many Nobel Prize winners in the sciences and literature are Afrikaners? How many are British?
Who are the world-renowned Afrikaner philosophers, artists, sculptors, composers, musicians, poets, novelists, playwrights?
What great inventions and scientific discoveries have been made by Afrikaners?
Where is the Afrikaner Isaac Newton or Stephen Hawking?
You don’t see any irony in quoting Alice in Chains when African Americans invented rock-and-roll? Where is the Afrikaners’ new and innovative musical genre that swept the whole world, changing the face of popular music forever?
“I never made any threats. Private citizens committing acts of violence is primitive, third world behavior.”
I never said you as a private citizen made threats towards another private citizen of immediate personal violence.
But you write things like this:
“Sure, we’ve mostly forgiven them up until now, but the Winds of Change are finally starting to blow in a different direction. Look at Eric Zemmour’s growing popularity in France. BLM and other anti-Western blacktivist groups seem to think that the White man has an endless tolerance for seeing his heroes vilified, his people replaced, his children disadvantaged by affirmative action, but they are wrong, and always have been wrong. We may forgive them this time, but our forgiveness is wearing quite thin…”
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“We should stick around long enough to ‘repay all who caused strife'”
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“Burning may be a bit cruel, but we have less painful methods these days.”
Everyone here is smart enough to understand what you’re implying. You are not the first White supremacist to come here dropping those veiled remarks about the impending retribution.
“Blacks constantly demand access to White spaces and then insult us and demand we change things to suit them”
The problem with this statement is you believe all spaces not specifically built by Blacks are White spaces. That isn’t true. A blog that focuses on politics or literature or science or history is not a White blog. Black Americans have just as much right as White Americans to discuss the politics of their nation on a blog that is about U.S. politics, for example.
The accurate comparison would be with websites that are specifically dedicated to discussing Whites as a race or to a particular European ethnic group. Many of those White websites are virulently racist, like Stormfront, and you will rarely ever see any Blacks go there to lob insults and derision.
“Why can we migrate elsewhere? Because we spread our superior civilizations.”
In the process those “superior” civilizations committed horrendous atrocities like race-based chattel slavery, torture, and genocides.
Afrofem had a point about the ability of “primitive” cultures to have superior ideas and practices. I can think of one example right off the top of my head. When Sitting Bull came to the capitol in DC, he was horrified to see little White children, gaunt and shivering and dirty, begging in the streets. He 0⁰couldn’t understand how such a powerful leader of such a rich nation could allow his own people’s children to starve. In Sitting Bull’s culture, a chieftain was supposed to make sure his people had food, shelter, and clothing. He would have been ashamed to fill his face with good food while children of his tribe went hungry. Annie Oakley wrote of how on many occasions she saw Sitting Bull turn out his pockets and give his coins away to ragged White street urchins. Is it more civilized of a volk to let their poor suffer, even the small children? Do marble sculptures and opera and oil paintings somehow negate the suffering of those children?
“The one drop rule is stupid. If you act and look ⁰⁰White, and ally yourself with Whites, it doesn’t matter if you have a few percent of whatever in your blood.”
But over on the Pilgrims thread, you kept trying to claim as Native American men who were mostly White, looked White, and acted White.
“Look up the Bell Curve”
An old and out-dated book that has been debunked over and over and over again.
“The Bantu tribesmen had no right to the land, anymore than the Amerindians or Aborigines did. Churchill explained this decades ago.”
Churchill’s opinion is not international law. One quip about a dog in a manger does not constitute a logical and substantive argument, much less an ethical one.
“I am loyal to my volk, just like you are to yours.”
You want racial superiority, not equality.
And you’ve never really defined who your volk are.
There is absolutely no requirement on Abagond’s blog for you to give personal information about your race, ethnicity, or nationality. I’m not asking you to do so, either.
I’m simply making the observation that on the Pilgrims thread, you wrote your comments like you were an American. For example:
“If China tried to conquer America, I would take up arms initially, but if they beat us decisively…”
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2021/11/25/pilgrim-fathers/#comment-570461
But on this thread you’ve sounded more like a South African:
“After all, Bantus are now 80% of South Africa, whereas Amerindians are only 1% of the USA. And look where our kindness got us.”
Or maybe Rhodesian:
“Great Z…if it were up to me, we would have dynamited it during the colonial era.”
But from somewhere in Africa anyway:
“Colonialism was even good for the natives of Africa, believe it or not. We taught them to read and write, we told them about God, we have them schools, libraries, and hospitals.”
Maybe you consider your volk to be the generic White, the indigenous European, regardless of ethnicity or nationality? If so, you’ve got a long row to hoe before getting most indigenous Europeans to accept that idea. They’re busy squaring off in the Russia vs Ukraine conflict at this very moment.
“If we had circled our wagons and worked as a united front to defeat the third world populations in the mid-20th century instead of killing tens of millions of each other in the World Wars, we would still rule the world today.”
Even by the time of the World Wars, your “indigenous European Western societies” were no longer solely White. Black Americans fought for their nation in both World Wars. In the second, Black troops from Francophone Africa liberated Paris, and Native Americans devised a code that was crucial to winning in the Pacific theater.
If England should attack my nation for the third time, it won’t just be White Americans who will repel the British forces. There will be Black Americans and Native Americans — exactly as there were in our first two wars against the British — and joining them will be Americans of Middle Eastern and Asian/Pacific Islander descent. We are all Americans and owe no loyalty to England or any other European nation.
“If modern societies still burned people at the stake for subversive ideologies, BLM, feminism, CRT, and other anti-Western ideologies”
I like how you snuck feminism in there. Apparently women are also on your list of inferior uncivilized beings, White or not. Please explain how feminism can possibly be an anti-Western ideology when it was formulated by Western women using Enlightenment principles and philosophy.
“Just like the their Jean Valjean and the noble Inspector Javert.”
If you expect anyone here to respect your intellect and knowledge base, you need to use factual references, not fictional literature (and misinterpreted rock song lyrics).
“I’d bet money on Smith being in Heaven and Mugabe not being there right now.”
I noticed you never answered my question about whether you are a Christian believer. Are you?
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@gro jo
Please learn how to write in paragraphs instead of just jumbling everything together.
And believing that Europeans are, as a group, far superior to Africans, as a group, doesn’t mean that there are no dumb Europeans or smart Africans. Some dogs are aggressive, and some wolves are friendly. Does that negate the fact that dogs are, as a group, far tamer and friendlier to humans than wolves are, as a group?
White doesn’t mean thief. We don’t commit 50% of the crime despite being 13% of the population…
Oom Paul fought for his volk and spread his civilization into the darkest of continents. Race being biologically real doesn’t change the fact that it is possible to breed with other races. Dogs, wolves, and coyotes can all breed with each other and create fertile offspring.
I would not consider rap “music” to be Western. Western music also has a melody and a harmony. Some guy with a name like “Big D Money” spewing obscenities over a computerized beat doesn’t count, sorry.
Africans were not dispossessed, since they had no possessions. They were too primitive to have the idea of private property. In an ideal world; Rhodesia and the old South Africa would still be here.
Sure, some Africans benefited from Mugabe, but far more suffered because of him. And as I’ve said before, Africans don’t matter to me. Mugabe hurt my volk, and that’s all that matters to me.
Call Smith a dumb jock all you like, it doesn’t change the fact that he was smarter and more educated than George Floyd, and better at running a country than Mugabe.
If you are unaware that Mugabe’s hyperinflation led to widespread food shortages and 1/4 of the population fleeing the country, you don’t know enough about this topic to have an informed discussion about it with me.
Most of the farmers were White until Mugabe robbed them of their farms. As Inspector Javert said, “Once a thief, forever a thief, what you want, you always steal…”
The Africans didn’t beat my volk with knowledge, they collaborated with treacherous, self-hating Whites to stab us in the back. It’s similar to how the Bantu chieftain murdered Piet Retief and his scouting party. Treacherous and evil.
@Afrofem
I am not a troll. I am serious. Sharing a “common humanity” is meaningless, since it applies to everyone, and thus is a useless distinction. You might as well say I share a “common mammal-ness” with the pig that I ate for lunch. The well-being of uitlanders is as insignificant to me as the well-being of that pig.
I don’t share music, art, dance, or storytelling with them. My Western music, art, and storytelling is at a much higher level of sophistication. Dance is a primitive and vulgar thing, laced with disordered sexuality.
As for science, Bantus had none until we so kindly taught them about it. We may both need a community, but we should have separate communities. It’s like trying to mix milk and soda.
(And the “nothing on earth that we share” line is another reference to Les Mis)
@Solitaire
The British killed 1/5 of the Boers in concentration camps. That’s not being nice.
The Afrikaners were in power from 1907-1994.
Zimbabwe would collapse without Western aid. Rhodesia thrived under pressure, and was only defeated because of leftist treachery and Soviet/Maoist weaponry.
Have you heard of Dr. Christiaan Barnard? The man who performed the first human heart transplant?
There are far more Brits (and diasporic British populations around the world) than there are Afrikaners. But per capita, Afrikaners have produced as many Great People as the Brits have.
Alice In Chains has nothing to do with the original Black “Rock and Roll” music. I admit, early Rock and Roll in the 50s and early 60s was Whites playing Black music, but by the mid/late 60s, Whites took it in a completely different direction. The only thing that is similar between Chuck Berry and Alice In Chains is the instrumentation, but even there, the guitar tones were completely different.
Original Rock and Roll was vulgar dance music, Whites made it into a sophisticated art form. If the Beatles hadn’t Europeanized it, it would have the same negative reputation that disco does today.
As for Chuck Berry, he was a pervert who spent time in jail, and hid cameras in the women’s toilets at the restaurant he owned. He also urinated and farted on young White women in the 80s. Not a good guy.
The music of John Edmond, Clem Tholet, and David Scobie (all White South Africans/Rhodesians) is much better than any Black music I’ve ever heard.
I never implied that I would seek retribution. I intend to vote for leaders who will repay all who caused strife, who will deport uitlanders, who will save our Western civilization, but I am not personally violent, and I am a threat no no one.
And I am not a White supremacist, since I don’t believe in the one-drop rule.
I don’t believe all spaces not built by Blacks are White spaces. Japan is not a White space. Japan belongs to the Japanese, and Whites should only be allowed in as tourists.
Sure, Blacks rarely go to European ethnic websites, but millions of them go live in European countries, which is destroying Europe demographically. I’d much rather have Blacks say mean things on White websites than have Blacks migrate en masse to my homeland.
Slavery was a mistake, since it meant that America had multiculturalism built into it. It’s the perfect example of why capitalism is flawed. Profits must never come ahead of the volk.
Those starving children should have been put to work like in “Oliver Twist”.
Those men still identified with Amerindians. That said, I would accept them as members of Western society since they looked mostly White and were assimilated and civilized. I don’t mind Amerindians if they aren’t trying to assert tribal sovereignty and they adopt Anglo culture. I don’t care if someone says “I’m a Cherokee American” and they mean it the same way that some White guy means “I’m an Irish American”. It’s when they want to maintain their tribal cultures and sovereignty that I object.
The Bell Curve is true, even though it irritates you.
Churchill’s “quip” was more intelligent than anything MLK or Obama ever said.
You also want racial superiority. You want Afrikaners to be displaced, you want statues of great White figures to be destroyed, you want Europeans to become a minority in our own homeland
My volk is Europeans and their diaspora. I am not loyal to the country I am a citizen of, since the government is hostile to my volk.
I am 100% against Brother Wars, be they Russia vs Ukraine, World Wars I and II, or Napoleonic Wars. Russia should instead use its army to “deal” with the Muslims in the Caucasus.
The non-European population in Europe was negligible until traitorous Western leaders used Hitler to argue that ethnonationalism is wrong, and therefore, Europeans must submit to Replacement Migration. Hitler was evil, because he was wrong to treat his fellow Westerners (Jews and Slavs) as if they were inferior.
If “American” can mean someone of any ethnicity and/or religion, it’s a meaningless identifier that no sane man could possibly take pride in.
I have nothing against women with traditional values. I despise feminism with everything in my heart and soul. Traditional women from my volk who have many children are among the most noble people on the world. The invention of contraception led to a demographic calamity for civilized people, since apparently Africans and Muslims don’t know how to use it.
What is your problem with fictional literature? Let me guess – you don’t like it because it is an example of European cultural superiority over Africa?
Also, my song lyrics aren’t misinterpreted. I am bringing an ethnonationalist interpretation to these songs. Have you not heard of literary analysis? A reader/listener/viewer can always bring their own interpretation to a text, even if it isn’t the interpretation the original creator intended.
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“@gro jo
Please learn how to write in paragraphs instead of just jumbling everything together.(Replying to your rants doesn’t require paragraphs)”
“Western music also has a melody and a harmony.(Atonality in its broadest sense is music that lacks a tonal center, or key. Atonality, in this sense, usually describes compositions written from about the early 20th-century to the present day, where a hierarchy of harmonies focusing on a single, central triad is not used, and the notes of the chromatic scale function independently of one another.[2] More narrowly, the term atonality describes music that does not conform to the system of tonal hierarchies that characterized European classical music between the seventeenth and nineteenth centuries.[3)”
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@gro jo
Go ahead, write like that. It just makes you look ignorant and lazy.
Atonal “music” is garbage, and it is only a small fraction of Western music. Even it has melodies (but not harmonies). Rap is just someone spewing obscenities over a beat that sounds like computers making love.
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@ Paul Kruger
“We don’t commit 50% of the crime despite being 13% of the population…”
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/04/10/reading-while-white-crime-statistics/
“Race being biologically real doesn’t change the fact that it is possible to breed with other races. Dogs, wolves, and coyotes can all breed with each other and create fertile offspring.”
Do you know that dogs and wolves are the same species? At one time they were listed as separate species, but modern genetic science has verified that dogs and wolves are in fact the same species, sharing 98.9% of their genome. Humans across all races share 99.9% of their genome.
Coyotes and dogs can produce viable offspring, true, but this almost never happens in the wild. Their breeding patterns and modes of raising offspring are too variant. Coydogs are the creation of human interference.
“And believing that Europeans are, as a group, far superior to Africans, as a group, doesn’t mean that there are no dumb Europeans or smart Africans. Some dogs are aggressive, and some wolves are friendly. Does that negate the fact that dogs are, as a group, far tamer and friendlier to humans than wolves are, as a group?”
That’s a false analogy. Dogs are tamer and friendlier due to centuries of human interference in their evolution. We’ve used intentional breeding programs to select for traits that aid in the domestication of dogs.
“Africans were not dispossessed, since they had no possessions. They were too primitive to have the idea of private property.”
This simply is not true. Of course they had possessions. Of course they had the idea of land ownership. That’s why they fought to try to keep it.
“In an ideal world; Rhodesia and the old South Africa would still be here.”
Go ahead, misuse semi-colons like that. It just makes you look ignorant and lazy.
“Dance is a primitive and vulgar thing, laced with disordered sexuality.”
Not a fan of ballet, I take it?
I’m surprised then that you mentioned opera as one of the great Western artistic achievements, considering how many are about illicit affairs, promiscuity, adultery, etc. Let me guess — you’ve never actually paid any attention to opera, but you know it’s supposed to be “High Art” so you threw it in your list. Did you know many operas have dancing sequences?
“The British killed 1/5 of the Boers in concentration camps. That’s not being nice.”
The British could have been less nice and reduced the Boer population down to the same percentage as Native Americans. But see what thanks their kindness gets. The Brits spared over half of the Boers, and you complain?
“The Afrikaners were in power from 1907-1994.”
They had a fully independent nation only from 1961 to 1994.
“Have you heard of Dr. Christiaan Barnard? The man who performed the first human heart transplant?”
That’s a count of one.
“There are far more Brits (and diasporic British populations around the world) than there are Afrikaners. But per capita, Afrikaners have produced as many Great People as the Brits have.”
You’ve named exactly one Afrikaner. One. I can narrow down this comparison to only English born in England after the first Afrikaners migrated and still name hundreds of famous Brits, some of whom laid the scientific foundations necessary for Dr. Christiaan Barnard to perform that operation. You haven’t come anywhere close to proving that the Afrikaners could hold a candle to the English in scientific achievements.
“but by the mid/late 60s, Whites took it in a completely different direction.”
Whites didn’t invent it and therefore can’t lay claim to it. One of the most groundbreaking musicians who took rock into that completely different direction was Jimi Hendrix.
“Original Rock and Roll was vulgar dance music, Whites made it into a sophisticated art form.”
Whites also turned it into Satanic death metal. Are you really trying to argue that all White rock is squeaky clean? Whites created punk rock, too. Are you seriously going to argue that’s a sophisticated art form?
“If the Beatles hadn’t Europeanized it, it would have the same negative reputation that disco does today.”
Disco wasn’t Europeanized? Explain ABBA then.
“As for Chuck Berry”
And the name Alice in Chains refers to holding a female in S&M bondage. Staley was a drug fiend who died from a speedball overdose at 34. Your point is?
But if you want to go that route, I can dig up plenty of perverted dirt on many famous European composers of classical music. You really want to go there? Shall we start with Mozart’s feces fetish?
“The music of John Edmond, Clem Tholet, and David Scobie (all White South Africans/Rhodesians) is much better than any Black music I’ve ever heard.”
Of course you’re going to think a song called “Rhodesians Never Die” is better than anything by the many Black musicians in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. You’re entitled to your opinion.
“I never implied that I would seek retribution. I intend to vote for leaders who will repay all who caused strife, who will deport uitlanders, who will save our Western civilization, but I am not personally violent, and I am a threat no no one.”
I never said anything about your own capacity for violence. I asked why you think it’s civilized to come here and talk about Black people being “repaid” for “strife” and being deported. That’s threatening language. It’s intended to make POCs afraid.
“And I am not a White supremacist, since I don’t believe in the one-drop rule.”
Let me guess — you came to that conclusion after getting your DNA results.
“Profits must never come ahead of the volk.
“Those starving children should have been put to work like in ‘Oliver Twist’.”
It’s amazing that you could write those two statements back-to-back in all seriousness. Are those children not part of the volk? Dickens makes it very clear that profit was put ahead of the children’s well-being. In real life, those children were paid so little that most were still hungry, dirty, ill-clothed, and ill-housed or homeless. Many also ended up dying young or being crippled for life from industrial toxins or damage caused by the machines (not just in accidents, but deformations from the effects of repetitive labor on growing bodies).
The whole point of child labor was putting profit first. Children could be paid far less than adults and were easier to exploit.
“The Bell Curve is true, even though it irritates you.”
There have been multiple books devoted to taking The Bell Curve apart systematically. Have you ever read any of them?
“Churchill’s ‘quip’ was more intelligent than anything MLK or Obama ever said.”
That’s your comeback? I was expecting at the very least you would know of a more substantial argument from one of Churchill’s books or speeches. You mean you can’t direct me to a single substantive argument from any author that supports your contention? I could easily provide links to lengthy pro-slavery treatises (and anti-suffrage ones, for that matter) that present in-depth arguments and rationales. Unsubstantiated snark is the best you can do?
“You also want racial superiority.”
Absolutely not.
“You want Afrikaners to be displaced”
What’s done is done. I don’t think they had any ethical or moral right to the land, just the same as White Americans. But if they can live in peace and harmony now with their fellow South Africans, as one nation and one people, I have no objections.
“you want statues of great White figures to be destroyed”
Me personally? Not necessarily destroyed, but some statues relocated from public spaces, especially from government and judicial buildings, where they have for decades been used to intimidate non-White citizens. And not all statues, of course. The problematic statues are not targeted for representing great White people wholesale. It’s specifically the statues of certain White people who harmed others because of their race or skin color.
“you want Europeans to become a minority in our own homeland”
Quote me where I ever said that.
“The non-European population in Europe was negligible until traitorous Western leaders used Hitler to argue that ethnonationalism is wrong, and therefore, Europeans must submit to Replacement Migration.”
Replacement migration is a White supremacist myth.
“If ‘American’ can mean someone of any ethnicity and/or religion, it’s a meaningless identifier”
Of course it’s not meaningless. It stands for the willingness to uphold, protect, and defend the Constitution. Anyone of any ethnicity or religion is capable of that.
“I have nothing against women with traditional values.”
Barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen, right? Basically slaves to do your bidding. No political voice, no money of their own, no control over their own bodies, no such thing as marital rape. Forced to have child after child after child regardless of whether their own physical health is destroyed.
“What is your problem with fictional literature? Let me guess – you don’t like it because it is an example of European cultural superiority over Africa?”
I don’t have any problem with fictional literature — you have a reading comprehension problem. My point was that when you’re debating real-world topics, you look a fool if most of your quotes are from made-up sources. How would that go over in a college term paper for political science or history or economics? Is the professor going to be impressed because you quote Les Miserables?
“Also, my song lyrics aren’t misinterpreted. I am bringing an ethnonationalist interpretation to these songs. Have you not heard of literary analysis? A reader/listener/viewer can always bring their own interpretation to a text, even if it isn’t the interpretation the original creator intended.”
I’m quite aware of that theory — and also very aware that many creators would disagree and would take issue with interpretations too far off the mark. For instance, Charles Manson had his own interpretation of the Beatles’ White Album, particularly “Helter Skelter.” The Beatles are absolutely correct in objecting to and rejecting that interpretation. The creators should always have the final say over what their own work means, especially when someone misinterprets it to nefarious ends.
And while I guess it’s good you have at least a passing acquaintance with Oliver Twist, it doesn’t compare to having read historical nonfiction — hard facts and numbers — pertaining to child labor during the industrial revolution. Or having read primary documents of the period, like the parliamentary reports and the debates over the child labor laws.
If you want to give the impression that you know anything of value about real-world issues, you don’t do it by only quoting fiction. I’d have thought your college professors would have drummed that into your head. Even a literature major has to take some courses in other disciplines.
I’m going to take your refusal to answer my question about whether you’re a Christian believer to indicate that you know it isn’t going to go well for you in this discussion whichever way you reply.
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@Solitaire
The post you linked to doesn’t change the fact that Black (especially Black males age 15-45) commit a disproportionate share of crime. I don’t care about Senegal, the White population there is minuscule, so it is irrelevant to me.
You walked right into my trap. Just because dogs and wolves are the same species doesn’t mean that they are interchangeable, or that it’s a good idea for them to live together. Now apply that to my European race and George Floyd’s African race.
And with regards to coyotes, Europeans can produce viable offspring with Syrian refugees, but just like coydogs, it is unnatural and the result of meddling, in this case, of liberals meddling in European affairs and flooding the continent with uitlanders.
And you don’t think that millennia of a civilization gap could lead for different traits being selected for in Europeans and Africans. Look at Ashkenazi Jews. It didn’t even take a full millennium for restrictions on their land ownership that forced them into intellectual professions to make their average IQ a full standard deviation above gentile Whites.
If a human went into the land of a pride of lions, the lions would fight back, but that doesn’t mean lions have a sophisticated concept of land ownership or a right to the land.
I don’t really see the appeal to ballet, but it is far less oversexed than African forms of dance. Ballet dancers don’t twerk while wearing a thong.
Personally, I would rate Les Mis above any opera. In a way, it is a modern opera, since it is sung through with no spoken dialog. It also has no dancing, which is frivolous and detracts from the story.
By opera, I meant the long, complex musical scores of opera.
The Boers were more civilized than the Amerindians, and they had more disease immunity. It is a blood libel against Whites to say we intentionally wiped out the Amerindians. Did Xi Jinping attempt to wipe out White Americans in 2020?
They had just as much self-rule as any other White Dominion did from 1910-1961. The early 60s were the golden days for South Africa.
How about the great statesman Jan Smuts, who helped establish the UN and was instrumental to the allied war effort?Winston Churchill wanted General Smuts to be his successor if he died during the war.
Blacks didn’t really invent Rock, either, then. It’s played on Western instruments using Western scales.
Jimi Hendrix had White ancestors, and even his innovations are not the same as Alice In Chains. Rock was social dance music when Blacks did it, Whites turned it into expressive art.
Punk Rock is still more sophisticated than tribal drumming or hippity hop! But grunge beats any Afrodiasporic music. Satanic death metal was a fringe movement in rock.
The Beatles added structure and harmonic interest to Rock. ABBA was just Europeans playing a carbon copy of African music.
If Alice In Chains’s name reflects negatively on them, how about NWA? It stands for “N——rs with attitudes”. Another anti-White double standard. Imagine if President Trump had said “I’m so fed up with those n——rs with attitudes” when BLM was burning the country down. There would be so much outrage. But because they were, um, “urban residents”, they got away with it.
Layne Staley was a troubled man, but he didn’t hurt anyone except for himself. He didn’t point a gun at a pregnant woman’s stomach the way George Floyd did. He didn’t urinate on women the way Chuck Berry and R. Kelly did. And he didn’t beat women the way XXXTentacion did.
Mozart was a strange and perverted man, but he was an exception. Most European composers weren’t like that, whereas most rappers are unrepentant gangbangers who brag about it in their “music”.
“Rhodesians Never Die” has a better message than “F—k the Police”. And they had lots of songs that weren’t about Rhodesia. Listen to “Big Boy Blue” by John Edmond. A song about the plight of whales. (This is distinct from the plight of Wales, which is currently suffering from a migrant infestation. SAD!)
Well, Blacks seem to think it’s okay to talk about repaying Whites for the “strife” they wrongfully believe we caused them decades ago. Mugabe’s theft of White farms was explicitly framed as repaying Whites for cause the Bantu race “strife”. And deporting uitlanders in our midst is a perfectly respectable idea that is likely to increase in popularity as more Whites wake up to the Great Replacement and the evils of CRT.
Actually, my results from both AncestryDNA and 23andMe say I’m 100% European. It’s because many people with small amounts of foreign admixture are good, loyal Whites who look and act indistinguishably from full Whites and are 100% loyal to the West. And if you are an African-American, you have no ground to stand on here, since you’re probably about 20% European genetically yourself. Do you see yourself as an authentic Black in spite of your admixture?
Child labor doesn’t have to be back breaking or abusive. Just an hour or so a day to earn food, in decent working conditions. No reason a 10-year-old can’t mop the floors of McDonalds after school.
The Bell Curve is a theory that fits the evidence. Africans, on average, don’t achieve as much as Europeans, on average. This is true in Africa, and it is equally true in the West. They also didn’t develop civilization like we did.
You want a defense of colonialism? Here:
“I would say colonialism is a wonderful thing. It spread civilization to Africa. Before it they had no written language, no wheel as we know it, no schools, no hospitals, not even normal clothing.”
Ian Douglas Smith, may his memory be a blessing
If you support affirmative action, you support Blacks receiving preferential treatment.
If you support Black culture being taught in Western schools, you support the cultural displacement of Whites in our own homelands.
Afrikaners and Bantus aren’t one people. They are vastly different. Renaming towns and provinces is an act of cultural aggression against the Afrikaner volk.
If you feel intimidated by the statue of General Lee, how do you think I feel about the statue of MLK?
You called replacement migration a White supremacist myth. Meanwhile, Swedes have gone from 96% to 63% of the population in their own homeland in the last 60 years. At that rate, they will be a minority in their homeland in the 2040s.
Defending the Constitution is meaningless if you wish to replace the ethnic group that wrote it. I don’t care if some headscarf or turban loves the Constitution with everything in their heart and soul. They aren’t culturally Western if they dress like that.
In my ideal society, most people would have no political voice, so it’s a not like I’m singling out women here.
There’s no reason that women can’t do some part-time work to earn spending money once the kids are in school.
Marital rape isn’t a thing. When you marry a man, you give consent that can only be revoked with a divorce. If you don’t want children, don’t marry or engage in intercourse.
And having children doesn’t destroy your health. My great-grandmother had more than 10 kids, and lived for more than a century. She did far more good for the volk than Harriet Tubman.
Les Miserables could actually be a good source for a history paper, since it is historical fiction.
Manson was an idiot who made White people look bad. The same is true of Roof and Tarrant. Chauvin was a sacrificial lamb on the altar of social justice. Also, Layne Staley wrote those lyrics, and he is dead, so he cannot offer feedback on my interpretation.
I am a Christian, but I see Christianity as the spiritual expression of European-ness. Just like how many Jews are fairly secular but still feel a strong connection to Judaism as an expression of their heritage.
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The discussion we are following at this thread can convey falsely the impression that South Africa is a lost society, a basket case of a country engulfed in a permanent tribal or racial crisis.
The country has its problems for sure but is far from a war-zone. Blacks, Whites and citizens of other backgrounds who live and work in that country are making their effort in improving the country’s social and economic prospects for the future. For some reason the late Mandela called his country, the rainbow nation.
There are surely people who dislike the current situation and developments in the country and mostly for personal reasons. Maybe they weren’t able to fit in the new political and social dispensation that Mandela and de Klerk worked out, back in the nineties, and that created the basis for the vibrant democracy that is practiced there. Such people can visit places like this blog and rant infinitely, distilling their poison. We must understand them*.
On the other hand, and in the midst of the Covid-19 pandemic, that is worrying everybody on the planet, let me show you all, how an excellent team of researchers in South Africa, were able, last year, to begin to understand the main clinical and epidemiological characteristics of the new variant of the virus – called omicron – and help the rest of us, in other countries, to confront it adequately.
See the “rainbow” team in the list of researchers who, in a good collaborative effort, achieved that, https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00017-4/fulltext
Let’s guess the ethnicity of some of the members of this team (I will not write here the names but only their positions in the list):
— 1. White Afrikaner
— 3. Black South African
— 4. White South African (English speaker)
— 5. White Afrikaner
— 7. Black West African
— etc.
Some names hint at Muslim persons. And at least one at a person of East Asian background.
People work. They don’t obsess with race.
P.S.:
* The ranting at this thread doesn’t sound as coming from a White South African to me. Not Afrikaner. Not even a White South African of another background.
Of course I can be wrong, but he is too generic in his references to Southern African issues. Seems to be a White person of some other place, “educated” on racial issues of South Africa by reading.
** As a side note and regarding the discovery of the omicron variant of the novel coronavirus take a look at another researcher, this time from Botswana, https://www.voanews.com/a/scientist-says-omicron-was-a-group-find/6339275.html
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@ Munubantu
“The discussion we are following at this thread can convey falsely the impression that South Africa is a lost society, a basket case of a country engulfed in a permanent tribal or racial crisis.”
Yes, it’s this:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/the-broken-africa-stereotype/
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@ munubantu
I agree with your observation:
“Seems to be a White person of some other place, “educated” on racial issues of South Africa by reading.”
PK is a generic White American troll who pulls statements out of his/her backside with no concern for veracity or logic. He/she can’t even be bothered to do basic research.
His (or her) statement that, “Zimbabwe would collapse without Western aid.” means that PK is “educated” on White supremacist websites like Breitbart that whip up anger, fear and resentment against non-White people. They also trade heavily in genocide as a “Final Solution”.
A bit of research would show that Zimbabwe is not a recipient of Western aid. In fact, Zimbabwe is currently on the US and Europe’s economic sanction list.
https://allafrica.com/stories/202010230201.html
Western countries are actively preventing trade and investment in Zimbabwe because they failed to install a puppet government in Harare and they are punishing the people for reclaiming their land.
Since PK is intellectually lazy, he or she merely combined the trope of Africa would collapse without
WesternWhite aid with the word Zimbabwe.Even more research would show that the outflow of raw materials (like oil and gas, minerals, timber, flowers, chocolate, and fish) from the African continent far exceed the paltry inflow of
WesternWhite economic “aid”.However, PK can’t be bothered to do that much work when he/she can just repeat junk they’ve read on White supremacist websites.
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@munubantu
South Africa hasn’t completely collapsed yet, but it’s an increasingly hostile place for Afrikaners and other Whites. You have Julius Malema inciting hate against Whites, trying to take their land, remove their statues, and flood their town of Orania with Bantu indigents.
South Africa wasn’t Mandela’s nation. Transkei was his nation.
Bantus aren’t keeping up their end of the deal. Whites agreed to cede political power in exchange for Bantus leaving them with their wealth and land and protecting their heritage. Now, you have Bantu politicians trying to rob them of their wealth and land and everything is getting renamed. Last year, Port Elizabeth was renamed some alphabet soup nonsense. Bantus are trying to rename Pretoria, the capital of the old Transvaal, named for Boer hero Andries Pretorius, even though Whites are still a majority in the city.
Why won’t you people be happy that you got almost all of Sub-Saharan Africa? Why not leave us Whites with South Africa? You got Rhodesia and Namibia, but it wasn’t enough for you.
Muslims should not be allowed to reside in Western nations on a permanent basis.
I’m not letting you trick me into revealing my nationality. Nice try.
@Solitaire
The only time Africa wasn’t broken was during the colonial era.
@Afrofem
I don’t support mass killing as a solution to the demographic problem, that’s Bantu-tier behavior. I support kinder methods, like vasectomy and deportation.
From the official US Aid website: “USAID has provided more than $3.2 billion in development assistance to Zimbabwe since its independence in 1980.”
That’s $3.2 billion more than they deserve.
Ian Smith was not a Western puppet. If he was, why did the West stab him in the back?
And the local Bantus didn’t reclaim their land, they stole the White man’s land. I relish their suffering, it’s what they deserve for what they did to the White man. It’s a crying shame the West continues to prop up Bantu countries that could not survive without us. Pull the plug, just like Terri Schiavo.
Raw materials? We buy those, it’s not like we just take them. Keep in mind we could have completely wiped out every African native during the colonial era and taken all the resources, but because we are nice, we didn’t do that. Compare that to what Shaka Zulu did to his fellow Africans. We are less violent than you people have ever been. 13% of the US population, 50% of the crime. And you wonder why I want to free Derek Chauvin?
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@ Solitaire
Your anecdote about Sitting Bull reminded me that civility, responsibility, obligation, mercy and honor should be at the heart of any “civilization” worthy of the name. Thanks.
A society that depends on technology alone as an indicator of “civilization” is like a barbaric emperor with no clothes.
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@ PK
“The post you linked to doesn’t change the fact that Black (especially Black males age 15-45) commit a disproportionate share of crime.”
Do they, though? There’s plenty of evidence to suggest that Black people, especially Black males, are more likely to be arrested and imprisoned than Whites for the same type of crimes. That’s been discussed elsewhere on this blog (ad nauseum, which is why that post I linked to is part of the broken records department). I suggest if you want to argue the point further, you take the topic of Black crime rates to an appropriate thread. And you should read through the old comments first.
“You walked right into my trap.”
You think it was your trap? Silly boy.
“Just because dogs and wolves are the same species doesn’t mean that they are interchangeable, or that it’s a good idea for them to live together.”
Dogs are an artificial variation of wolf that only exists because of direct human interference, and your reply told me you don’t understand what a breeding program historically entailed.
Let’s say, for example, that a breeder wanted to select for white fur. The breeder has a female dog with white fur, and that dog whelps a litter in which one male pup has white fur. The breeder then back-breeds the mother to the son. Any pups born of the resulting litter which do not have white fur are culled, traditionally by drowning them in a bucket right after birth. The breeder then continues to select for the desired trait by in-breeding mother to son, father to daughter, sister to brother, while culling all pups who do not exhibit the desired trait.
With a trait like friendliness towards humans, the culling would happen later on, when the pups are old enough to ascertain their temperament, but before they are old enough to mate.
If humans vanished from the earth today, the various dog breeds would quickly disappear because dogs themselves don’t care one whit about breeds. That’s why so many mutts exist, and that’s exactly the direction which dogs, left to themselves, will take.
The traits that enable canine domesticity, such as friendliness towards humans, have no desirable purpose from an evolutionary standpoint if humans no longer exist. Those traits are not beneficial to a wild dog in a natural environment, and dogs therefore will increasingly revert back to more wolf-like traits and behavior.
If with the absence of humans the wolf population begins to rebound, wild dogs and wolves will mate and have offspring until, after sufficient time, they are no longer distinguishable from each other.
“Now apply that to my European race and George Floyd’s African race.”
The genetic variations between human populations do not correspond to what we call race:
https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12052-019-0109-y
The same observation holds true between dogs and wolves, since dogs are basically a “breed” of the wolf species.
“And with regards to coyotes, Europeans can produce viable offspring with Syrian refugees, but just like coydogs, it is unnatural and the result of meddling, in this case, of liberals meddling in European affairs and flooding the continent with uitlanders.”
Again, a false analogy. Humans are all the same species; coyotes and dogs are not. Humans take coyotes captive and force their breeding with dogs, even using artificial means such as artificial insemination. Coyotes and dogs will not choose to mate when left to their own devices. Europeans and Syrians choosing to marry and have children together is an entirely different thing. Such pairings between Europeans and Syrians have been happening since at least the Roman Empire.
“And you don’t think that millennia of a civilization gap could lead for different traits being selected for in Europeans and Africans. Look at Ashkenazi Jews. It didn’t even take a full millennium for restrictions on their land ownership that forced them into intellectual professions to make their average IQ a full standard deviation above gentile Whites.”
https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/do-iq-tests-actually-measure-intelligence
“If a human went into the land of a pride of lions, the lions would fight back, but that doesn’t mean lions have a sophisticated concept of land ownership or a right to the land.”
Lions don’t fight humans over territory. They compete with other lions for that. When a lion marks his or her territory, it’s done in ways that humans can’t always detect, but other lions will recognize immediately. Humans and lions share the same ranges, which they use in different ways for different purposes.
Lions will attack humans for other reasons, but not simply because they live in the lion’s territory.
The Bantus and Khoisan and other Black Africans who lived on the land knew this because they studied the natural behavior of the animals around them and taught that knowledge to their children. If this had been a question on an IQ test, they would have scored a point and you would have gotten it wrong.
“I don’t really see the appeal to ballet, but it is far less oversexed than African forms of dance. Ballet dancers don’t twerk while wearing a thong.”
So you’re unfamiliar with ballet’s full extension moves and the dance belt. Not surprised. African dance cannot be reduced to twerking.
“Personally, I would rate Les Mis above any opera. In a way, it is a modern opera, since it is sung through with no spoken dialog.”
Sorry, Les Miserables is a musical, not an opera. I see you’re unfamiliar with operatic recitatives and the fact that some of the most famous operas have spoken dialogue.
(https://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/theater/musical-or-opera-the-fine-line-that-divides-them.html)
“By opera, I meant the long, complex musical scores of opera.”
You don’t seem to know very much about the advanced forms of classical Western art. How can you with good conscience cite opera as an example of White superiority when you as a White person ignore opera?
“The Boers were more civilized than the Amerindians, and they had more disease immunity.”
None of which has anything to do with the superiority of the English to the Boers. If they’d already eliminated 1/5 of the Boers’ population, they could have done more. Put all the Boers in concentration camps doing hard labor on starvation rations and little sleep; immunity levels will plummet.
“They had just as much self-rule as any other White Dominion did from 1910-1961.”
Only because the British allowed it.
“How about the great statesman Jan Smuts, who helped establish the UN and was instrumental to the allied war effort?”
He’s not a scientist, and the UN wasn’t his idea. It doesn’t prove your claim that “the British and Afrikaners are equals from a civilizational standpoint.”
Who are the world-renowned Afrikaner philosophers, artists, sculptors, composers, musicians, poets, novelists, playwrights?
What great inventions and scientific discoveries have been made by Afrikaners?
Where is the Afrikaner Isaac Newton or Stephen Hawking?
But thanks for mentioning that Smuts was instrumental to the war effort. That reminded me of something I forgot to mention last time:
“I don’t mind Amerindians if they aren’t trying to assert tribal sovereignty and they adopt Anglo culture. I don’t care if someone says “I’m a Cherokee American” and they mean it the same way that some White guy means “I’m an Irish American”. It’s when they want to maintain their tribal cultures and sovereignty that I object.”
You ought to be grateful the Navajo hung onto their culture. Because there were still young men who spoke Navajo fluently, they were able to devise the only code that Japanese military intelligence was unable to break.
“Blacks didn’t really invent Rock, either, then. It’s played on Western instruments using Western scales.”
Who invented music? Who invented the drum? Who invented the first string instruments?
What exactly do you mean by Western scales? Is the whole tone scale used by Debussy and his peers a Western scale? Is the pentatonic scale historically exclusive to Western music?
“Jimi Hendrix had White ancestors”
This is lazy (il)logic. Any time you have to concede that a Black American achieved something of note, you point out their White ancestors. Any time you want to disparage Blacks, you place the blame on their being Black. Why not put the blame for African American criminals’ behavior on their White ancestry? After all, most of those White ancestors were not good men, but rapists.
“Satanic death metal was a fringe movement in rock.”
A fringe movement that was and is uniquely White. It’s only one example where Whites took rock music into unsavory or unsophisticated regions.
“The Beatles added structure and harmonic interest to Rock.”
The Beatles didn’t do anything different with harmony from what Motown groups had been doing since the 1950s. In the early days, before the Beatles had written much of their own, their performances were full of covers of songs by Black American artists, including Chuck Berry. Their first album has a cover of “Twist and Shout.” When they hit it big and toured in the USA, the Beatles insisted in their contracts that their audiences not be segregated.
“ABBA was just Europeans playing a carbon copy of African music.”
That is your very uneducated opinion. You can’t hear the difference between ABBA and Diana Ross? What about the BeeGees?
“If Alice In Chains’s name reflects negatively on them, how about NWA?”
The only reason I brought up the name and Layne Staley’s being an addict is because you tried to disparage all of Black rock-and-roll by mentioning Chuck Berry. We could play tit-for-tat for days, because there have been both Black and White musicians who have named their bands unsavory things and committed criminal acts. My larger point doesn’t require that exercise.
“Layne Staley was a troubled man, but he didn’t hurt anyone except for himself.”
Fine. Look up Phil Spector, then.
“Mozart was a strange and perverted man, but he was an exception.”
No, he wasn’t an exception. Did you not read the part where I said I could dig up plenty of perverted dirt on White classical composers? Do you really want me to continue? I can think of at least three off the top of my head who were pedophiles.
“Rhodesians Never Die” uses a basic folk rock progression, a standard 4/4 time signature, with a predictable melody line and v/c/v. It breaks no new ground.
When I google “Big Boy Blue,” the search results are all for Ella Fitzgerald and the Mills Brothers. 🤔
“Well, Blacks seem to think it’s okay to talk about repaying Whites for the “strife” they wrongfully believe we caused them decades ago.”
Not “repaying Whites” but Blacks being recompensed for hundreds of years of unpaid labor.
It’s okay, I believe I know already what your blind spot is, that makes you think this type of behavior you’re exhibiting is acceptable. And the reason you can’t fathom why most White people in this day and age are repulsed by your beliefs.
“It’s because many people with small amounts of foreign admixture are good, loyal Whites who look and act indistinguishably from full Whites and are 100% loyal to the West.”
At what blood quantum do you draw the line?
“Child labor doesn’t have to be back breaking or abusive. Just an hour or so a day to earn food, in decent working conditions. No reason a 10-year-old can’t mop the floors of McDonalds after school.”
We weren’t talking about the modern day. And even now, an hour’s wage at McDonald’s would not enable a homeless child to buy sufficient food and clothing and school supplies and health care, much less pay rent. But we were talking about the children who were on the streets in the 1800s, in the USA and the UK, who had no other choice than to work under the abusive conditions I described to you. Which society’s attitude towards needy children was more ethical and moral? The one where the leaders enabled those children to be exploited for profit, or the one where the leaders made sure all children were cared for?
“The Bell Curve is a theory that fits the evidence.”
I’ve read the book, and I’ve read the rebuttals. You apparently have not.
“I would say colonialism is a wonderful thing. It spread civilization to Africa. Before it they had no written language, no wheel as we know it, no schools, no hospitals, not even normal clothing.”
Still not a substantive argument; there’s no structural examination of the ethical underpinnings. What philosophy or belief system does this defense of colonialism arise from? What older writings, by which authorities, does this defense rely upon? What era can it be dated to? I’ll give you a hint: one of the most essential documents that formed a basis for your argument is actually referred to by name on this specific blog page.
“If you support affirmative action, you support Blacks receiving preferential treatment.”
Common misconception of how affirmative action really works.
“If you support Black culture being taught in Western schools, you support the cultural displacement of Whites in our own homelands.”
Are you saying Black Americans aren’t Westerners?
“If you feel intimidated by the statue of General Lee, how do you think I feel about the statue of MLK?”
Did MLK take away your right to vote or your ability to serve on a jury? Is his statue placed at courthouses to remind you that you’d better not try to exercise your rights as a citizen?
“You called replacement migration a White supremacist myth.”
It’s a myth that there’s any type of orchestrated plot to replace Whites through immigration.
“Defending the Constitution is meaningless if you wish to replace the ethnic group that wrote it.”
That’s your phobia talking. You have a delusion that all the non-Whites serving in the military today, who have sworn to defend the Constitution, want to deport or kill all Whites. You’re projecting on them your own stated desire to eject all “uitlanders.”
“They aren’t culturally Western if they dress like that.”
Being free includes the freedom to dress as one likes.
“In my ideal society, most people would have no political voice, so it’s a not like I’m singling out women here.”
No surprise, LOL!
“There’s no reason that women can’t do some part-time work to earn spending money once the kids are in school.”
So you’re not a hard-liner anti-feminist. But how long will that take if women are supposed to pop out a kid as often as possible? When the oldest starts school, there will be younger ones at home and yet more to be born. It could be 25 or 30 years before she ever earns a dime.
And you’re going to give married women a right to the money they earn? Apparently you don’t know that was one of the earliest campaigns of the first feminists, to change the laws that gave all control of the wife’s money to her husband.
“Marital rape isn’t a thing. When you marry a man, you give consent that can only be revoked with a divorce.”
It shouldn’t be considered a blanket consent 24/7/365, but that’s how it was.
A woman who doesn’t feel ready physically yet to endure another pregnancy should have the right to say no to her husband.
A woman who has recently given birth and still is recovering physically should have the right to say no to her husband.
A woman who doesn’t feel capable of handling any additional children should have the right to say no to her husband.
A woman who is exhausted physically from a difficult day of dealing with her brood, who is in the early stages of pregnancy and suffering from severe nausea, who is sick with the flu, who has a stomachache or a migraine, should be able to say no to her husband.
When the earliest feminists talked about a woman’s right to control her own body, this is what they meant. If you don’t believe me, look it up.
“And having children doesn’t destroy your health. My great-grandmother had more than 10 kids, and lived for more than a century.”
Your great-grandmother’s experience doesn’t prove squat about all women. And you don’t know that she didn’t have a prolapsed uterus for 50 years or more. It is a known medical fact that frequent pregnancies and labor are often detrimental to women’s health. If you don’t believe me, look it up.
“Les Miserables could actually be a good source for a history paper, since it is historical fiction.”
Your history professor assigns a paper on the causes of the June Rebellion. Drawing solely from the musical Les Miserables, what are those causes? And will you be able to give sufficient exposition and details to fill ten to fifteen printed pages?
“Also, Layne Staley wrote those lyrics, and he is dead, so he cannot offer feedback on my interpretation.”
You admitted on your own accord when you first wrote about your interpretation that you know “This almost certainly isn’t how Layne Staley meant it”
“I am a Christian, but I see Christianity as the spiritual expression of European-ness. Just like how many Jews are fairly secular but still feel a strong connection to Judaism as an expression of their heritage.”
So that’s how you excuse your failure to abide by the most essential tenets of Christianity. Interesting.
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I have a comment to PK in moderation (too many links)
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“Why won’t you people be happy that you got almost all of Sub-Saharan Africa?”
Oh, look! We’ve got a “you people” now! My bingo card is almost full.
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@ Afrofem
This is a quote attributed to Sitting Bull:
“The white man knows how to make everything, but he does not know how to distribute it.”
And this one has been confirmed:
“The love of possessions is a disease in them. These people have made many rules that the rich may break, but the poor may not! They have a religion in which the poor worship, but the rich will not! They even take tithes from the poor and weak to support the rich and those who rule.”
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These comments have gotten so lengthy I’ve been composing in a word-processing program and then doing a cut-and-paste. And I accidentally missed transferring one section of my latest reply, from the music discussion:
“and even his innovations are not the same as Alice In Chains.”
LOL! No, they aren’t the same — Hendrix regularly makes the list of the top 10 rock legends of all time by experts in musicology.
“Rock was social dance music when Blacks did it, Whites turned it into expressive art.”
That’s your opinion.
“Punk Rock is still more sophisticated than tribal drumming or hippity hop!”
Dude, I like punk rock. I’ve got comments on other posts at this blog attesting to that fact. It doesn’t change the reality that punk rock was all about simplifying and de-sophisticating the sound. The punk rock ethos was all you need to know is three chords … or maybe two, or just one… and it doesn’t matter if you’re out of tune half the time, or you’ve only been playing the guitar for six weeks. Just get up on stage and play, and if no one likes it, screw ’em! It is the antithesis of sophisticated complex rock, a big middle finger to the innovations of the late 1960s. And grunge arose directly out of the punk scene; it was originally considered a sub-genre of punk.
If you think African drumming isn’t complex, you’ve never paid attention. If only B.R. still posted here, he would have a field day with this one! (FYI, B.R. is a White professional musician who has made an extensive study of African and Afro-Brazilian music.)
But you could easily investigate this on your own by looking it up. Here’s a place to start:
https://www.britannica.com/art/African-music/Musical-structure
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@ Solitaire
Seems like Sitting Bull and Toni Morrison were on the same page in their assessment of the ruling class. Their observations were separated by decades with no change in the intervening years.
Sad to say, their observations still describe how this society operates.
“They even take tithes from the poor and weak to support the rich and those who rule.” ⁓ Sitting Bull
“[Racists] were only and simply and now interested in the acquisition of wealth and the status quo of the poor.” ⁓ Toni Morrison
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@Afrofem
A civilized nation shows no mercy – just like Inspector Javert. Feeding peasant children is insignificant compared to reading and writing.
@Solitaire
If you don’t want to discuss Black crime, fine, it’s not the crux of my argument.
It is cruel to kill dogs. I feel far more sympathy for homeless dogs killed in shelters than I do for George Floyd or Trayvon Martin (aka “No Limit N—-a” on Twitter)
Your point about dogs reverting to wild behavior without humans around applies to Africans, too. They behaved much more respectably during Apartheid and Jim Crow than they do now. They gave their children nice, normal names. They dressed more nicely and spoke without so much slang. Now that Whites no longer control them, they revert to their normal way of being.
If human biodiversity is a myth, then how come DNA tests can tell you with a very high degree of accuracy what continent your ancestors are indigenous to?
Look at an Australian Aborigine, then look at an Afrikaner or an Anglo-Saxon. Do you really think we’re the same?
Marriages between Europeans and migrants should be banned. The half-caste offspring almost always are raised Islamic instead of European.
Syrians weren’t so bad before Islam. In addition to that disgusting religion, they got significant admixture from Peninsular Arabs and East Africans. Yuck!
Trying to discredit IQ is an implicit recognition that Europeans score higher than Africans.
Many lions attacked the Voortrekkers, so they had to kill a lot of the lions. My mother almost got attacked by a lion once.
Bantus and Khoisan had no formal education before European contact. They taught their children a bunch of primitive nonsense, and possibly a couple of true facts as well. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Open your eyes, you can’t deny that African dance is far more sexualized than European dance. Europeans are more chaste and modest, in general. White people didn’t sing songs about “big bootay” until contact with Africans.
Les Mis is a musical with the best elements of opera. Much better than Hamilton. I don’t care for most opera, since I don’t speak Italian. Some of it is in German, which is close enough to my native language that I can understand a few words here and there.
I mostly listen to folk and rock. I listen to some opera arias occasionally, I listen to rap never.
The Boers did a good job of getting international attention on Britain’s atrocities, and that’s a big part of the reason Britain stopped. Not my fault Amerindians had pathetic PR skills.
One of the reasons Britain allowed it was to end the guerrilla war that was causing significant losses to Britain. Whereas Britain pulled out of the rest of Africa because the Americans and Soviets pressured them to with the help of the UN. Despite Jan Smuts’s role in the founding, it sadly turned against his volk with great treachery.
You want Afrikaans music? Look up “De La Rey” by Bok van Blerk.
The plans the Japanese had for the West wasn’t half as bad as what has really come to pass – mass migration and liberalism.
Blacks didn’t invent music. Tonality comes from Greece – look up Greek musical modes.
I mean that the forms of African-American music with a scale use scales based off of the 12-note octave, which originates in Greece. Look up even temperament. Which African invented that?
The most accomplished Blacks have more White ancestry than the least. Walter Sisulu had a White father, Winnie Mandela had a White grandfather (she was evil, but effective at her evil mission), Trevor Noah has a White father. Compare Barack Obama and Cory Booker to George Floyd and Trayvon Martin. Obama and Booker are both light-skinned and ~1/2 White, Trayvon and especially Floyd were very dark, which means it’s highly unlikely they had significant European admixture.
The fact that the White men laid with their African slaves shows that they didn’t hate Africans, the way liberals claim. I find men who “transition” to being women to be absolutely repulsive. I would never lay with one. You don’t lay with something you hate.
If you think Satanic death metal reflects negatively on Whites, how does Lil Nas ax’s satanic music reflect on Blacks?
The Beatles blended Rock and Roll with the Western popular song tradition that has its origins in writers like Irving Berlin and Stephen Foster.
ABBA, Ross, and The Bee Gees all sound like noise to me.
Fair enough with regards to Staley. But Staley didn’t harm others like Berry.
Phil Spector? Look up R Kelly.
At least the White composers had the decency to keep their perversions private. We only know about it from reading private letters and journals. Whereas Chuck Berry’s only #1 hit was a song about playing with his snake.
Rhodesians Never Die is a pleasant and uplifting song, even if it breaks no new ground. Do you really think “we in da club, homie, yo dawg!” is groundbreaking or even intelligent?
Google “Big Boy Blue” “John Edmond” (with both sets of quotation marks), and you should find it on YouTube. It has multiple borrowed chords, such as bVI, iv, and bVII. Most Black music is just the same chords, over and over. Look up Professor Ethan Hein. He’s a leftist, but he has explained this.
Hundreds of years of unpaid labor? You didn’t do that. No one deserves to be compensated for their ancestors labor from centuries ago.
Most Whites probably agree with me deep down, but they suppress it to achieve popularity. Many of my peers would never say it in public, but get a few drinks in them and let them know their secret’s safe with me, and they’re dropping more n-words than a rapper, only they/we say it with the hard r on the end!
Generally, if it’s 1/8 or less, and not phenotypically visible, it’s okay. Up to 1/4 can be accepted if the person is exceptional.
You could subsidies the child worker, but they would still have to put in an hour or two of labor a day to earn part of their keep.
Working builds character, so I don’t feel sorry for the street urchins of the past. Maybe if Blacks worked more, they would have less time to riot and loot?
The problem with welfare is that it is stealing the fruits of someone’s labor to help someone else. Didn’t you just complain that Whites “stole” labor from Blacks? Lol!
The rebuttals are ideologically motivated.
Mr. Smith’s quote is based on the White Man’s Burden, which I wholeheartedly endorse with my entire soul and everything inside of me.
Affirmative actions means giving Blacks an unfair advantage.
Black Americans are a quasi-Western creolized population of mostly African origin. They are less Western than Afrikaners, and they have become less Western over the last century. 100 years ago, most had Western names, now many have pseudo-African names. Kwanzaa wasn’t a thing 100 years ago. Rap is far less Western than Motown was.
MLK helped turn the USA from a Western Anglo nation into a Third World “ship” hole. (I’m sure you can do the substitution for ship). MLK hated Afrikaners and Dr. Verwoerd’s government. Cecil Rhodes fought a war against the Boer Republics, yet the Afrikaners didn’t touch his statue when they were in power. Also, the right to vote is stupid, as is democracy, or as I cal it, dumbocracy. Statues of King and Mandela and similar figures remind the White man that he has been defeated.
Even if it’s not a nefarious plot, the effect is the same – Whites are being replaced demographically in our homelands.
I don’t care about the American constitution whatsoever. It’s part of the reason the racial situation is so bad over there. I don’t care about “freedom”. I care about order and my volk.
Women can do part time work during high school and college, and once all the kids are out of diapers.
I don’t care about a woman having a right to control her own body. I care about my volk having enough babies. There is a two-syllable word that begins with f that describes my ideology.
My great-grandmother was a wonderful woman who had wonderful health. Could your great-grandmother even read and write?
As it says in Les Mis, the death of General Lamarque combined with frustrations that the new king was no better than the last set off the June Rebellion.
Layne Staley likely didn’t understand the demographic problem since Seattle was very White during his lifetime. I live around multiple races, so I understand it.
The most essential tenet of Christianity is to love your family. My volk is my extended family.
“Honor thy father and mother”
And “you people” is a nicer way of saying it. I’m sure you can think of what word I wanted to say instead of “people”…
Sitting Bull didn’t understand religion, since he was a pagan animist. He learned his lesson in the afterlife…he’s burning.
I have also been writing my comments in a word processing program. I guess we have something in common, after all…
I never denied Hendrix is considered a rock legend. However, his music is very different from Alice In Chains. Jerry Cantrell has a completely different playing style.
Once again, Professor Ethan Hein, a Black-loving leftist, has said that Rock originated as a social dance music in the Black community.
Punk Rock had three chords, which is three more than traditional African music! Also, I prefer early 2000s pop-punk to the original punk rock.
Grunge has far more than 3 chords. Have you heard Alice In Chains? They also had complex time signatures like 7/8 woven into their songs.
African drumming is boring and repetitive. No emotion or novelty toward it whatsoever.
@Afrofem
I have a funny nickname for Sitting Bull (insert an h into the first word). He couldn’t hold a candle to Dr. Hendrik Verwoerd.
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@ Munubantu
Such people can visit places like this blog and rant infinitely, distilling their poison. We must understand them.
I’m starting to think in this particular case we’re also dealing with someone who has, shall we say, certain learning differences or even atypical neurology. There are several indicators which would suggest it.
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@ Afrofem
To be fair, a few Whites have understood this, too.
For example, the French author Victor Hugo wrote an essay called “To The Rich” in which he says:
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@ Solitaire
Even if true, there are two things wrong with this: a) even psychiatrists do not diagnose over the Internet and b), even more to the point, it is a logical fallacy, an ad hominem argument. Paul Kruger’s statements, like anyone else’s, stand or fall in the end based on fact and reason, not his state of mind. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/ad-hominem-argument/
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@ Abagond
I know, sorry. But I meant it more as an explanation of why I’m preparing to drop out of this argument. I don’t feel it’s actually fair if I continue. There are minority/majority privilege issues involved, and I don’t feel competent enough to not cross the line. Probably I already did so, not just in what you quoted above but in some of my recent interaction with him.
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@Solitaire
You’re actually dealing with someone who has a college degree and a very high IQ. I tested several years ago out of curiosity, and mine was around 140.
Victor Hugo wrote the book that the Les Mis musical was based on.
It’s funny that you want to drop out of the argument. I take that as an indirect admission of defeat.
As for majority/minority privilege, Blacks receive advantages when they are a majority (Black Economic Empowerment policies in South Africa), but also when they are a minority (Affirmative Action it the US). So Whites lose whether we are a majority or a minority. SAD!
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@ PK
I have a learning difference/disability called dyscalculia. I also have a high IQ and a college degree just like you do. In graduate school, I had a position teaching academic courses for first- and second-year undergrads. I’ve also worked one-on-one with college students dealing with dyslexia and dysgraphia. Having a learning disability doesn’t mean someone is stupid.
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@ Solitaire
More than a few White people understand how the ruling class operates.
The entire (White-led) Progressive Movement a century ago was a protracted struggle against Robber Barons and their enablers.
After decades of bitter struggle and some wins (like Social Security), first wave progressives knuckled under McCarthyism and a Red Scare.
Now we are back to Square One. The struggle continues….
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@Solitaire – I don’t have any disabilities or mental illnesses. If having a disability isn’t an insult, why did you try to discredit me be claiming I had one?
@Afrofem – I have nothing but contempt for the ruling class. They’re the ones importing masses of unassimilable uitlanders into our homelands for profit.
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Why is intelligence an arbitrary criteria of superiority?
—a) any criteria used for claiming superiority is arbitrary and false if the starting premise is that all humanity is of equivalent value.
—b) because the measure (test) for intelligence is arbitrary. If the premise starts with the assumption that all human intelligence is of equivalent value (and benefit) in all its diversity–then testing/measuring only a particular type of intelligence and then claiming it as “superior” is false and arbitrary.
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@ Afrofem
Do you remember a few years ago MJB posted about a group called Redneck Revolt/John Brown Gun Club? Your most recent comment reminded me of them and I went to look at their web page. It appears that lately they are taking inspiration from Fred Hampton. Since the start of the pandemic they have begun doing things like mobile soup kitchens, free contactless grocery delivery for people who can’t afford the typical fees, free clinics for changing brake lights and headlights, clothing drives, etc.
I don’t know if there are any other progressive groups coming out of the White underclass and doing outreach to that community instead of giving them up to the Radical Right-wing. But there needs to be. They were the backbone and the sinews of the Progressive Movement of the last century.
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@ Solitaire
“… [White] progressive groups coming out of the White underclass … They were the backbone and the sinews of the Progressive Movement..”
We have to remember the Progessive Movement of the early 20th century had several engaged sectors: organized labor, farmers and suffragists pressing for the vote. They struggled for decades to make change happen.
Some contemporary White progressives identify as Antifa. The Radical Rightwing loathes Antifa as much as they loathe Black people. Perhaps more. Remember how hysterical Trump became over the nightly protests in Portland, OR during 2020?
I saw some of the same Establishment hysteria over Antifa in Seattle. There is a strong organized sector of working class White people in Seattle who do service outreach. This has earned them a lot of sympathizers.
I also personally know some “middle of road” White people in Seattle who support a Socialist city council member. The local business Establishment tried three times to boot her from the city council, but failed because of her support from young working class White people who benefit from her citywide tenant and employee protection initiatives.
Divide and rule has been a successful strategy for wealthy, White heterosexual, Christian men since Colonial times. Anytime an individual or group tries to erode social divisions and build coalitions across ethnic lines they are met with violence.
Fred Hampton’s coalition building with working class White groups, Latinx (Puerto Rican and Chicano) groups and resurgent Native American groups scared the heck out of The Establishment and led to his assassination.
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@ anon
…all human intelligence is of equivalent value (and benefit)…
Agreed. There are lessons to be learned from all societies.
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The early “progressives” were white supremists.
Wildrow Wilson loved “The Birth of a Nation” and it was the first movie shown at the Whitehouse.
Progressives did organize unions against industrialists but also made sure that those jobs went to white people exclusively.
The original Progressives helped expand Jim Crow laws. They were for expanding the class interests of white people but no one else.
https://paw.princeton.edu/article/racism-progressive-era
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@ MJB
You’re not wrong, and yet the Progressive Movement was a very large umbrella, including people who didn’t agree on every issue.
The following link is to an in-depth article called “The Progressives: Racism and Public Law” that examines the changing views on race during the Progressive Era. It does come up as a pdf, so it might not work well on mobile.
http://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2767&context=faculty_scholarship
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Colonialism is founded on a supremacist ideology—and the U.S. was a colony—therefore it was founded on a supremacist ideology just like all other colonized parts of the globe. It may use “words” (in its declarations and documents) to pretend otherwise—but intentions and actions show the real landscape (the system)…..
Such an ideology gives unearned rights and privilege’s to one (elite) group of people which makes them have more wealth/power and consequently keeps them above the law/justice.
wealth=economic system
power = political system
law/justice=judicial system/laws/rights
….unless all 3 are critiqued and interrogated….one cannot get a full picture of the “system” because all 3 elements work together to create “The System”.
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@ Solitaire @ Afrofem @ MJB
It’s interesting to see the similarities between developments that took place in USA, South Africa and maybe other parts of the world where a population of European origin (mainly British) cohabited with populations of other races (Black, Amerindians, etc) at similar periods (for examples the end of the 19th century and begin of the 20th)
Regarding South Africa, I would like to call your attention to the so called Rand rebellion, where the upper working class of Whites reacted violently to the possibility of promotion of Black labor in the mines. The uprising were smashed in a bloody way by the capitalist state.
A curious relic of that period, that followed the Bolshevik revolution in Russia a few years before, was the motto chanted by the White working class, “Workers of the world, unite and fight for a white South Africa!”.
The White working class, at that time, saw itself and its destiny as to guarantee a place at the table of the ruling elite and a total obstruction of any attempt to include people of other races.
That spirit translated later in the ideology and political-social system of Apartheid in South Africa.
Let’s add that attempts to evict workers of Asian descent, that happened in the USA, also happened in South Africa at the same time. The similarities in historical processes are striking.
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To see more details about the Rand Rebellion, look at the specific article in Wikipedia.
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@ MJB
One of the things I like about Redneck Revolt is that it’s actively anti-racist. Their firearms workshops and shooting range days are specifically designed for Blacks and other POC. (And they also try to make it a comfortable place for women and the LGBTQ community.) The car clinics are open to anyone but are specifically targeted to the Black community with the goal of reducing their chances of being pulled over by the cops for a burnt-out light. Their booths at gun shows are not just for outreach to Whites but also to provide a welcoming space for POC.
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@ munubantu
“The White working class, at that time, saw itself and its destiny as to guarantee a place at the table of the ruling elite and a total obstruction of any attempt to include people of other races.”
“Whiteness” was cooked up by the White ruling class to keep the White working classes from turning on them first and foremost.
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/tim-wise-on-the-creation-of-whiteness/
It keeps White working class folk distracted in the same way parents keep toddlers distracted to reduce wailing and acting out.
Whiteness and White supremacist ideology also provide White working classes with just enough benefits—the wages of Whiteness—to produce emotional solidarity with the White ruling class.
Classic divide and rule strategy and it has worked like a charm for over 347 years everywhere White people settled outside of Europe.
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@ MJB
“Wildrow Wilson loved “The Birth of a Nation” and it was the first movie shown at the Whitehouse.”
You make good points.
Woodrow Wilson’s administration did pass Progressive reforms like outlawing child labor, mandating an 8 hour workday for railroad workers and antitrust legislation to reduce corporate collusion and corruption.
Woodrow Wilson was also a Democrat in 1912. At that time the Democrats were reactionary White Supremacists who carried water for corporate interests in the same same way Republicans do now.
The Republicans were still the Party of Lincoln. A lot of Black people who were able to vote, voted Republican. That doesn’t mean the Republicans loved them back. The Republicans pimped Black people for votes the same way Democrats do in these times.
Democrats of that era used a great deal of lies, innuendo, overheated rhetoric and physical violence to suppress Black political participation. That was especially true of Southern Democrats.
In North Carolina, the Democrats launched a bloody coup in 1898 against Black and White politicians in Wilmington, who were members of the Populist party.
The Populist Party bucked the White Supremacist trend in the South at that time. According to a 2020 New Yorker article, “What a White-Supremacist Coup Looks Like”:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/04/27/what-a-white-supremacist-coup-looks-like
In November of 1898, mobs of White Democrats massacred scores of Black residents of Wilmington and forced Black middle and upper class citizens to leave town.
A History.com article described the lasting effects of the Wilmington Massacre:
https://www.history.com/news/wilmington-massacre-1898-coup
It’s true that “The original Progressives helped expand Jim Crow laws. They were for expanding the class interests of white people but no one else.”.
Yet there were exception and pockets of resistance even in that period of American fascism. Many Black people and some White people lost their lives fighting against political and economic repression.
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I will respond more later. I have been busy doing various things. I just want to say that even though the the Boer Republics are currently nonexistent, we will get them back.
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“…I just want to say that even though the the Boer Republics are currently nonexistent, we will get them back.” Thanatotic. Your desire to be wiped off the face of the earth is strong, just like Hitler’s.
“Paul Kruger’s statements, like anyone else’s, stand or fall in the end based on fact and reason, not his state of mind. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.”
Your claim is bull, wrong 22 out of 24, such statements belong in the trash. Note that you’ve contributed nothing to this ‘debate’ why is that?
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We will get it back…
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“We will get it back…” Like Ian Smith got Rhodesia back. Mugabe the magnanimous saw fit to let him rest in peace where he was interred, a future Mugabe will do the same for you. Now a musical interlude for ‘dear’ old Oom paul: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlKccuS_ayk). So much for the ‘virtue’ of white women.
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Rhodesia, I am less sure about, since the Anglo-Saxon population was ethnically cleansed by hateful Bantu hordes. But we will get the Boer Republics back…
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Also, @gro jo, Mr. Smith was cremated and his ashes were scattered at his farm. So Mugabe wasn’t magnanimous at all. Also, if it’s okay to mistreat Whites who live in Africa, then it’s okay to mistreat blacks who live in Europe. But Indigenous Europeans are so tired of sharing their countries with those of foreign origin. I optimistically predict repatriation efforts to begin within this decade. Also, I am optimistic that Zemmour can lead to a return of French Algeria, hopefully with punishment for the natives for ever daring to think they were equal to the French.
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Oom pah pah Paul, you are a riot. ” Also, I am optimistic that Zemmour can lead to a return of French Algeria, hopefully with punishment for the natives for ever daring to think they were equal to the French.” I love your bizarre sense of humor! Ian Smith’s cremation is your version there are others.
” Ian Douglas Smith
Birth 8 Apr 1919
Midlands, Zimbabwe
Death 20 Nov 2007 (aged 88)
Cape Town, City of Cape Town Metropolitan Municipality, Western Cape, South Africa
Burial Burial Details Unknown
Memorial ID 23018411 · View Source”
You may be right about that, the person people wanted disinterred was Cecil the pederast. Funny how flexible your ‘morality’ is since you’re proud to be associated with a known pedophile. Cui bono, eh?
I recalled Mugabe’s magnanimity toward your boy because he let him live, didn’t take away his farm and let him run his mouth off about how ‘bad’ things were in Zimbabwe.
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It’s fascinating what you can stumble upon online! Just now I went to read the Wiki article on Cecil Rhodes and discovered this gem:
https://www.uncomfortableoxford.co.uk/
There are some free resources on the website, including the archive, which “compiles hidden and unfamiliar histories of Oxford, focusing on inequality and prejudice, while bringing to light unlikely heroes and amplifying overlooked voices.”
https://www.uncomfortableoxford.co.uk/blogs
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Rhodes was buried, Smith was cremated. Mugabe tolerating Smith’s presence doesn’t count for much when he stole land from Smith’s volk and chased most of them out of the country.
I could point out that White Americans have been very magnanimous to the blacks, letting them stay after they had outlived their usefulness to Whites (abolition), and even giving them full civil and voting rights in the 60s, despite the fact that the country was founded for Whites. by Whites. If White Americans and South Africans had been mean, the blacks of America and South Africa would have gone the way of the Germans of East Prussia.
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