The Clinton-Trump Debate III (October 19th 2016) is the last debate between Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton before the election for US president on November 8th, three weeks away.
The big bombshell came when Trump was asked whether he would accept the outcome of the election if he lost. Trump:
“I’ll keep you in suspense. OK?”
Trump has been dogged by a sex scandal, but for the past few days he has been saying the election is rigged. He had no proof, but the press went nuts all the same. Subject changed!
At the debate Trump continued his Black outreach:
“Our policemen and women are disrespected. We need law and order, but we need justice, too. Our inner cities are a disaster. You get shot walking to the store. They have no education. They have no jobs.”
and his Latino outreach:
“And once the border is secured, at a later date, we’ll make a determination as to the rest. But we have some bad hombres here, and we’re going to get them out.”
and his outreach to women:
“Nobody has more respect for women than I do. Nobody.”
and later said of Hillary Clinton:
“Such a nasty woman.”
Trump continues to talk like a Putin puppet, especially when denying the truth of what Clinton said of the hacked emails coming from WikiLeaks:
“We have 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyberattacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin and they are designed to influence our election.”
Hillary Clinton’s weakest moment came when asked about pay for play, where she hooked up those who gave money to her favourite charity, the Clinton Foundation. She said it was all above board, but the question made her uncomfortable.
Fact check: Statements that PolitiFact rated as Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire:
Clinton:
- He said, well, if we have them [nuclear weapons], why don’t we use them
- There’s only one of us on this stage who’s actually shipped jobs to Mexico
Trump:
- [under Clinton] we will have a Second Amendment which will be a very, very small replica of what it is right now.
- She wants to have open borders.
- ICE last week, endorsed me.
- The NAFTA deal signed by her husband is one of the worst deals ever made of any kind, signed by anybody.
- Wrong [disputing Clnton’s claim that he “went after a disabled reporter, mocked and mimicked him on national television.”]
- that this election is rigged … I say it’s rigged
- Wrong [disputing Clinrton’s claim that he was for the Iraq War]
- [Obamacare is] destroying our country. It’s destroying our businesses, our small business and our big businesses.
- when you ran the State Department, $6 billion was missing. How do you miss $6 billion? You ran the State Department, $6 billion was either stolen – they don’t know.
- [Clinton’s] plan is going to raise taxes and even double your rate.
- those stories [of women accusing Trump of forcing himself on them] have been largely debunked.
– Abagond, 2016.
Source: mainly PolitiFact.
See also:
- earlier debates
- Sep 26th: Clinton-Trump Debate I
- Oct 4th: The Kaine-Pence Debate (vice presidential debate)
- Oct 9th: Clinton-Trump Debate II
- Obama-Romney Debate III – the third debate four years ago
- 2016 election for US president
- Democrat – Hillary Clinton 2016
- her paid speeches – bits of which came out through WikiLeaks
- pay for play
- “open borders”
- Republican – Donald Trump
- his sex scandal
- his Black outreach
- Trump and Russia
- Democrat – Hillary Clinton 2016
- Russian trolls
- Mock Spanish
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I guess Democrats conveniently forgot that Gore refused to accept the initial results of the 2000 election. It took him until December 13, 2000 to accept defeat, that’s after getting a manual recount only in 4 Democrat-leaning counties in Florida and waiting for the Supreme Court to decide.
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Colluding media censors anti-Hillary comments
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He always says things are rigged and he never apologizes for his boorish remarks that disrespect people of color and women.
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Have you not seen these videos yet showing bare, outright proof that the DNC in commiting voter fraud?
This is corruption.
(http://youtu.be/5IuJGHuIkzY)
(http://youtu.be/hDc8PVCvfKs)
It’s over.
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It’s as if anyone who supports Putin, is a “Putin-Puppet”…
According to your logic.
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“I guess Democrats conveniently forgot that Gore refused to accept the initial results of the 2000 election. It took him until December 13, 2000 to accept defeat, that’s after getting a manual recount only in 4 Democrat-leaning counties in Florida and waiting for the Supreme Court to decide.”
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“The Florida vote was ultimately settled in Bush’s favor by a margin of 537 votes when the U.S. Supreme Court, in Bush v. Gore, stopped a recount that had been proposed by the Florida Supreme Court. That in turn gave Bush a majority of votes in the Electoral College and victory in the presidential election.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount#Controversial_issues
How very convenient …
I recall the fanfare of the US Supreme Court’s (s)election of W Bush 16 years ago. What stood out the most to me back then was the controversy about the different type of chads (punched out holes/indentations in paper ballots) among numerous other voting irregularities. Rigged election? Check out the above wiki link and decide for yourself.
W’s first selection, um election, was won on the basis of hanging chads, pregnant chads, missing chads, dimpled chads, blushing chads, bloated chads, lonely chads, divorced chads, creeping chads, preying chads, invisible chads, aborted chads, stolen chads, angelic chads, lazy chads, widowed chads and definitely cheating chads. Rumor has it that there were even some deadbeat unemployed chads. Imagine my shock!!
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Ugh. Can’t wait until it’s over. Worse campaign EVER. America looks like some jackasses and I feel like I need a five-year shower from all the mudslinging.
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Whether you like Trump or not, we know who Hillary is. Her warmongering record is UNDISPUTED. She joked about the murder of the AFRICAN leader, Muammar Gaddafi, she has committed numerous war crimes around the globe, she has lied continuously about her record, she once called black youth “Super predators” and she lIed about her support for the TPP, and last but definitely not least, she has BROKEN THE LAW with a private email server and her disposal of thousands of emails. And there have been several deaths of people connected to her campaign and people who were going to testify against her that should raise alarms with everyone. Wherever the Clintons go, death follows…
This is not about Trump, or whether he’s a racist or liar (he is) but so is . Hillary. Even worse, has blood on her hands. She has been in political office under one of the most corrupt administrations in US history and has sat at the helm of Secretary of State while the US illegally and immorally attacks nation after nation, killing hundreds of thousands of people. Even Trump can’t match that.
Trump is not a puppet of Putin, Trump is the by-product of a growing number of people who are sick of “business as usual” politics and the same old lies and rhetoric of democrats and republicans — all professional lifelong politicians (who, by the way work for the same people, the banks, Wall Street, and the globalists)
I do not understand why or how so many black people, especially, cling to the Democrats when the Democrats have done NOTHING for black people. I do not understand why it is acceptable to black people that politicians like Clinton come to their churches ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS and then are never heard from again until it’s time to run again.
I do not understand how black people could be sooooo mad at the Clintons when she was running against Obama four years ago YET all is forgotten and forgiven now that she isn’t. Where is our self-respect????
I don’t understand how Clinton OR Obama could have any credibility with anyone after they called each other every thing but a child of God four years ago. Obama called Clinton a liar over and over again and she talked about him like a dog but now they’re the best of friends?? And let’s not forget how Bernie Sanders said she wasn’t fit to be in office and now he’s one of her biggest supporters?
See, I know they’re all liars and deceivers — that’s what politicians do for a living, and I know they are the puppets of more powerful people who pull their strings but what is wrong with the voting public who keep falling for this nonsense over and over again and seem surprised when life gets harder and harder and they get poorer and poorer and their rights get weaker and weaker?
The real question isn’t whether you like Trump or Hillary. The real question is what is wrong with us?
I would strongly suggest all avail themselves of information OUTSIDE mainstream media because if anyone is going to push that nuclear button, it will be the warmonger, Hillary Clinton.
We are at the most dangerous precipice in world history and at the greatest risk for nuclear war than we have ever been. One source I would recommend is Paul Craig Roberts who can be found on youtube and on his website.
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http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/
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@ resw
most people, once they pick a side, the thinking part of their brain shuts down completely. At that point they will either accept or dismiss whatever doesn’t support their current point of view–regardless of how illogical it may be.
Which is why it’s so easy for the public to be fooled and manipulated and eventually dominated and exterminated.
If Trump believes the elections will be rigged — and who can argue that is a possibility after the Gore/Bush election??–why wouldn’t he or any candidate have the right to challenge it?
I believe with absolutely certainty this election will be rigged. I believe there is one candidate that the banks and Wall Street and the military industrial complex and the hidden hands of the real power brokers want for President
and it ain’t Donald Trump.
I also find it highly suspect that after Trump mentioned Bill Clinton’s record of rape (which I’ve heard about for YEARS), that suddenly all these women are coming out of the woodwork to say Trump has molested them…
Why now?
I believe it’s due to Trump’s rising numbers and Hillary’s falling numbers. I have seen videos of the low turnouts for Hillary. I do NOT believe for one minute that mainstream is going to tell the truth when they are owned by the same people who funded Hillary. Let’s be logical here.
I also believe there’s a possibility there won’t be an election in November but that’s off topic
Only time will tell.
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@Lord of Mirkwood
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@ Lord of Mirkwood:
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Fight fire with fire, so they say. Fight a monster with a monster.
It’s amazing to me how thoroughly orchestrated and manufactured and faked Hillary’s campaign has been on every level. Rigging the primaries, using green screens at here rallies. Even down to this. Full spectrum public deception.
(https://youtu.be/ewRk6QBWpLU)
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Trump kept using the word “bad hombre ” and “bigley.” The wall he wants to put up I suppose is to keep those so called “bad hombres” out. And went he talked about abortion it was cringeworthy and embarrassing, ” They rip the baby from the womb.” I just blank stared at my television screen. His ignorance is appalling. After all his boorish comments about women, he called Hilary a nasty woman. I switched channels i had enough. I forgot to mention how he likes to spew how in the inner cities we black folks are getting shot walking to the store and we have no education it’s just terrible. But he is going to fix that and make America great again.
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Since Donald Trump called Hilary “nasty ” Janet Jackson’s Nasty is now in heavy rotation on the airwaves.😂😂😂😆
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Trump is not a Putin puppet. Trump is just as likely to launch nukes at Russia as Hillary is. As America declines in economy and influence the likelihood of nuclear war raises as a last Hail Mary to reset the chess set.
Hillary blaming the Wikileaks dumps on the Russians is just a deflection away from what the emails contain.
I’m surprised Abagond is spreading American propaganda. Wikileaks also released emails tied to the main political party in Turkey. The email release their hurts Erdogan, a potential Putin ally, so Assange isn’t working for the Russians.
The only link that ties the hack to the Russians is the code originated in Russia. A good hacker would use the Russian code to leave a “finger print” as a decoy pointing to the Russians. It could have been anybody.
https://www.wired.com/2016/07/wikileaks-dumps-erdogan-emails-turkeys-failed-coup/
Hillary blaming the Wikileaks dumps on the Russians is just a deflection away from the content of the emails.
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When Haiti was mentioned they both looked like two deer caught in headlights.
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@Trojan Pam
“most people, once they pick a side, the thinking part of their brain shuts down completely.”
LOL. IMO it’s intentional. America was built on the double standard and most American voters are intentional hypocrites.
“If Trump believes the elections will be rigged — and who can argue that is a possibility after the Gore/Bush election?”
What’s worse is how the mass media are pretending that Trump not committing to accepting the election results is worse than Gore actually not accepting the election results, as if that’s somehow rational. They really take the public for complete fools.
“Why now?”
Very convenient isn’t it? I said several months ago that Clinton was going to have to make this election about women in order to win. But I foolishly assumed it would be done respectfully. I had briefly forgotten just how “nasty” she is.
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@ michaeljonbarker
If anyone had studied the situation in Russia from sources OTHER than CNN, and CBS and the local news media (all of it owned by six companies) they would see a vastly different picture of Russia.
You want to know what Putin said about Hillary and Trump? Look on youtube and hear his words with our own ears. I have listened to his speeches many times. I understand why he says what he says about Trump and why he says what he says about Hillary.
Why do we need the media (which we know lies all the time) to interpret someone’s words for us? Are we intelligent enough to do our own interpretations?
I agree, they don’t know who hacked the DNC — that’s if they were hacked in the first place, which I find suspect, largely because it feels like a DISTRACTION from discussing real issues — like breaking the law and destroying private server emails.
Do people understand the MAGNITUDE of that criminal act? Do they understand that she knowing broke a law that would send you or me to prison for decades? It’s not even a question of “if” she did it, she’s admitted to it.
If we think the people that back Hillary — the George Soros (look him up), the big banks, Wall Street, mega-corporations (that own the media), the globalists, and the hidden hands of those who control all the before-mentioned entities — are good for America and its people,
I wholeheartedly agree that you should vote for HIllary
however, if you’re one of those people who think those entities caused our problems, then maybe, it’s time to ask yourself why you would vote to have more of the same.
Frankly, I don’t care who anybody votes for. I doubt I’ll waste my time since I believe the elections are rigged and have been rigged for a long time — meaning, however they want as president WILL be the president.
So, all this scary talk about Trump the boogeyman really amounts to self-mental mutilation via the democratic party programming the black mind
What bothers me is the lemming mentality where people will know the people they support don’t care a whit about them but will defend them even without knowing the issues OR what kind of voting record these people have.
And it really bothers me (and yes, I must say it), that black women will jump on the Hillary bandwagon because “she’ll be our first female president!”
Knowing they have NOTHING in common with that white woman, or any white women (whose white female organizations NEVER support issues that affect black females even when we are slaughtered by police)
Knowing this white woman Hillary could give a DAMN about them and doesn’t even consider black females as equals to white women, and called the product of black wombs “super predators.”
That is one thing I will never understand.
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@ resw
I think this lazy minded thinking is encouraged via the widespread obsession with entertainment and social media and narcissistic “selfies.”
Neither party gives a damn about any of us.
And to defend someone with a 30 year track record of doing absolutely nothing for black people just makes no sense to me
or one with an 8-year track record (Obama)
I just don’t get the attachment
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@ nomad
I agree that the Hillary campaign has been largely fraudulent, from paying people $1500 a day to disrupt Trump rallies, to one of her aides being caught admitting to voting fraud. And the six or more people attached to her campaign who have died mysteriously, some after it was alleged they were getting ready to testify against her (look it up).
Does that mean Trump is clean? No.
But he doesn’t have the machine that Hillary has to do that much dirt even if he was so inclined
Another thing is WHY does the Hillary campaign need to engage in such tactics? If Trump has such low numbers in the polls–according to mainstream media polls and the Clinton camp–why risk so much just to sabotage him?
the answer should be obvious.
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It seems to me the real puppet is a Hillary. There is already hard evidence that Jewish donors directly influenced her talking points in regards to her position on Isreal. Then there is the hundreds of millions of dollars funneled to her campaign by special interests.
I’m voting third party. I’m in a state that will go for Hillary so my vote won’t elelctical Trump and if either the Greens or the Libertarians get 5% of the vote that qualifies them for voter access and matching federal funds.
If your in a swing state I would vote for Hillary over Trump. If your not in a swing state then vote third party. My 2 cents.
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@ michaeljonbarker
based on what you just said about Hillary, why would you advise voting for her under any conditions? Please help me understand this. (no disrespect intended).
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Trumps best speech yet.
(https://youtu.be/jmQzQbJ82jM?t=6m43s)
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Trump: Hillary met my campaign team “and I got the chance to meet the people who are working so hard to get her elected. There they are. The heads of NBC, CNN, CBS, ABC. New York Times and the Washington Post”
Hillarious!
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Greenwald demolishes the Putin connection.
Ohh and the 17 government agencies included the department of labor, the Coast Guard, the Department of energy ect.
Quotes below from Zero Hedge.
“Well it turns out that was one guy, namely DCI James Clapper: the head of US intelligence. The same man who committed perjury before congress after his NSA surveillance program was leaked. He issued a statement that included the phrase:
“We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.”
The very next sentence is also of interest:
“Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government.”
The word “confirmed” does not appear anywhere in this statement.
So when HRC stated the “17 intelligence agencies have confirmed” I was anticipating what that would turn up in the “fact checking” apparatus, which allegedly exists to objectively test the assertions of both candidates in real time.
The “fact checking” around this statement would be comical if not infuriatingly Orwellian: ABC called it “a true fact”.
Above paragraphs from Zero Hedge.
The U.S.goverment (representing corporations) the DNC, and the media are in collusion. This has called some to call the election rigged but when Trump says it, ironically, nobody believes him. ”
I say it’s heavily favored towards a specific outcome but ultimately it is voters who decide.
@TrojanPam
Trump is more likely to curtail civil liberties on a greater scale then Hillary. He has no idiology that grounds him to a specific set of ethics beyond his own egoism. His instincts are Authoritarian, thus Federalize the police, check peoples papers, deport, extend police privileges through “cutting the red tape” and bring the hammer down on those who are not American born or those who don’t look white.
As a business owner I need a stable economy in order to survive. Trump brings uncertainty. The stock markets have figured in a Hillary win and a Trump surprise will cause a major adjustment in markets. Trump’s protectionist economics will affect Wall Streets bottom line which is why money usually set aside for Republicans have gone to Hillary instead.
Trump can’t bring jobs back. He can try to stimulate the economy through tax cuts but he runs the risk of increased deficits. Hillary similarly has promised increased spending with tax increases to off set deficits but tax increases will not happen for the rich.
Trump has threatened to force American companies like Apple and Amazon to make America great again by dictating how they would run their businesses.
Trump will crack down on the press he doesn’t like. Trump wants to expand survellince on Muslim Americans. Trump wants a wall and will deport “undesirable” humans.
His vision is one of Nationalism within a right wing Authortarian framework that does not respect the Constitution or The Bill of Rights. His is a foreign idiology and many Americans would rather give up freedom for “security” because they feel entitled
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Don’t Feel Bad for The American People Because They Deserve This Election
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Don%E2%80%99t_Feel_Bad_for_The_American_People_Because_They_Deserve_This_Election_%28Gonzo_%26_Conjure_%E2%80%9916%29/54806/0/38/38/Y/M.html
WARNING: Rated R – Language. Rated X – Brutal Honesty. Rated XXX – Nudity
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Slytherin Admin
“It’s as if anyone who supports Putin, is a “Putin-Puppet”…
According to your logic.”
My like assumes you meant ‘anyone who doesn’t support Clinton, is a “Putin-Puppet”…
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@michaeljonbarker
1. My source is PolitiFact:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/19/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-blames-russia-putin-wikileaks-rele/
The Department of Labor was not one of the 17 agencies. The 17 were: Air Force Intelligence, Army Intelligence, Central Intelligence Agency, Coast Guard Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency, Energy Department, Homeland Security Department, State Department, Treasury Department, Drug Enforcement Administration, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Marine Corps Intelligence, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office, National Security Agency, Navy Intelligence and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.
It is unlikely each one looked into it independently, but they do make up US intelligence and shape its conclusions.
2. Assange may not be working for the Russians, but neither is he the one hacking the US elections. He seems to be more a clearinghouse, a conduit.
Whoever is behind the current wave of hacks favours Trump: they have not released anything from the Trump campaign and they did not release the DNC stuff till it was too late to help Sanders (who had a better chance of beating Trump according to polls) but not too late to hurt Clinton.
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even alt cartoonists jumping on neomccartheist bandwagon
http://images.dailykos.com/images/297900/story_image/TMW2016-09-14color.png?1473522666
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@michaeljonbarker
According to US intelligence she is right. If true, it is a far more serious thing (a foreign power trying to affect the election) than anything found in the leaked emails SO FAR (I expect worse to come). So I would not call it a deflection.
If you look at the timing, the WikiLeaks was itself the deflection, from Trump’s Gropegate.
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wow. that seems upside down to me. the leaked convention conspiracy and intention to deceive the public is the diversion from TALKING ABOUT grope? that verily wags the dog.
that’s what I mean by minimalizing
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@ nomad
Read what I wrote.
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I forgot there were people on here who seem to purposely misread or twist what I say.
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@abagond
“According to US intelligence she is right. ”
“US intelligence” can hardly be considered credible:
CIA Lied About Torture: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/cia-lied-torture-senate-report-suggests/
NSA Lied about Surveillance: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-clapper-says-he-misspoke-didnt-lie-about-nsa-surveillance/
DHS lied about deportations: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/12/deportations-come-mostly-from-border-dhs-chief-say/
State Dept lied about Iran deal: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/01/politics/state-department-edited-iran-video/
DOD lied about Iraq: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/iraq-war-wmds-donald-rumsfeld-new-report-213530
I could go on and on………
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@Abagond
It’s still speculation until Russia is confirmed as the actual source of the hack. Hillary claiming all 17 agencies collaborated the evidence making it a “fact” is stretching the truth. That’s why I see it as propaganda.
What annoyed me was showing a picture of a Putin with Trump as his puppet. Even though Trump benifits indirectly from the Wikileaks drops there is no connection between his campaign and the Russians. The real puppet is Hillary. There is email evidence that Jewish donors scripted her talking points towards Isreal for example. That’s a puppet.
Agree the Assange is a conduit. A post about him and other whistle blowers like Snowden and Manning would be cool.
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@resw
That is why I said “according to”.
@michaeljonbarker
I added a question mark to the caption for the puppet picture since it has not been proved.
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@ resw
“The mainstream media is not … (repeats talking point from the biggest TV news channel).”
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@abagond
I wouldn’t know if I’m repeating a talking point from the “biggest TV news channel”? But how would you know? Are you a regular viewer?
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John Mccaffe, cybersecurity expert, thinks Iran is behind the DNC hack.
“John McAfee — in an email exchange and follow up phone call just moments ago — said sources within the Dark Web suggest it was Iran, and he absolutely agrees. While Russian hackers get more media attention nowadays, Iranian hackers have had their share.
A computer hacker briefly hijacked Twitter.com in 2009, redirecting users to a website and claiming to represent a group calling itself the Iranian Cyber Army.
Earlier this year, Iranian hackers were charged by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) over cyber attacks.
Why Iran? “The Iranians view Trump as a destabilizing force within America,” said McAfee. “They would like nothing more than to have Trump as President.”
What about Russia?
“If all evidence points to the Russians, then, with 100% certainty, it is not the Russians,” said McAfee. “Anyone who is capable of carrying out a hack of such sophistication is also capable, with far less effort than that involved in the hack, of hiding their tracks or making it appear that the hack came from some other quarter. The forensic tools used to assign culpability in a hack are well known, in the cybersecurity world, to be largely ineffective. They may, sometimes, correctly identify an unsophisticated 15 year old as the source of a hack, such as the teenager who hacked the FBI less than a year ago. But they are completely ineffective against large, sophisticated groups of hackers such as those run by the Russian State.”
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nice one, fan. check out this one
![](https://politicalfilm.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/she-wolf-wall-street-hillary-copy1.png?w=500)
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“sources within the dark web?” might as well use a magic 8 ball
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@nomad
This new enforcer for the banksters and the NWO will be:
SHOWING IN NIGHTMARES ALL ACROSS AMERIKA
The first NIGHTMARE showcase will likely be expected in Abagond’s neighborhood, followed by an immediate follow-up HORROR SHOW at MichaelJonBarker’s location!
It’ll be riveting to watch all those Amerikans who voted for her (perceived lesser evil) regret their inane pick as they are collectively tormented by miserable policies and practices enacted by the FIRST FEMALE thief/hit-woman, vote stealing HRC.
I can hear the sound of roosting pigeons’ wings flapping in the sky as they hastily approach their home …
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You would think we were electing the anti Christ.
Hillary will just be an extension of Obama, only more war like. I think the email scandals will continue after she is elected and she is a one term president.
It’s possible that Trump doesn’t do anything he is on record as saying he will do. Maybe he will surround himself with “real smart” people and he becomes a Trump version of George Bush.
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“Hillary will just be an extension of Obama, only more war like. ”
That’s absolutely terrifying.
“You would think we were electing the anti Christ. ”
She’s close.
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“Maybe he will surround himself with “real smart” people and he becomes a Trump version of George Bush.”
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George “W” Bush was probably the least brightest (and most embarrassing) US president in the modern era. He came in with a crooked VP and a set of neo-con cabinet appointees that put the country on a (profitable for Blackwater) War on Terror trajectory after lying about Saddam’s WMDs and yellow cake uranium – which brought hundreds of thousands of needless deaths and a Patriot Act I & II that stole a bunch of freedoms out from under sleeping Amerikans. Not to mention TORTURE, DHS and the new enemy combatant Amerikan policy where anyone could be held uncharged indefinitely, free speech zones, etc… You might as well stick to comparing Trump to Hitler, if you going to compare him to Bush.
Given the Clintons’ penchant for crime it truly amazes me when people say the she’ll just be an extension of Obama. Obama’s a cub scout compared to those who aren’t compelled to obey any laws.
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Monsters
https://i1.wp.com/libertyblitzkrieg.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Screen-Shot-2016-10-20-at-9.55.02-AM-1024×421.jpg?w=720&quality=80&strip=info
https://politicalfilm.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/delegitimize-copy.png?w=720&quality=80&strip=info
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@nomad
Apparently Amerikans are committed to voting for the lesser MONSTER, rather than a viable alternative sane candidate. That two party kool-aid must be terribly addictive.
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I don’t know what it’s going to take. Our vote has become cosigning on the dotted line for endless war. Did anybody imagine 8 years ago that this is where we’d be. Weren’t the wars supposed to wind down? Didn’t they give Obama a peace prize? Wasn’t Guantanamo to have been closed? Who’da thought Barack Obama would usher in the age of mass surveillance and unbridled police brutality? Don’t these people see where lesser evilism leads? Hasn’t Obama demonstrated that clearly? What’s he bombed now? Fifteen countries? And we have learned to accept war crime as everyday reality with every drone strike. How he has transformed us. He has normalized atrocity. We don’t even blink. That’s the thing about cosigning monsters. YOU become the monsters. You might as well be over there blowing those children apart with your own hands. Me, I’m not cosigning no more monsters.
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And we learned to accept war crime as everyday reality with every drone strike. How he has transformed us. He has normalized atrocity. We don’t even blink. That’s the thing about cosigning monsters. YOU become the monsters.
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Monsters = Beast = Prophesy
What I find puzzling is how exactly was the anti-Iraqi (and Afghanistan) war protest movement in Amerika completely nullified??
Perhaps W Bush’s declaration after 9/11, “You’re either with us, or with the terrorists” eventually worked as intended.
War Is a Racket by General Smedley D Butler should be required reading for every Amerikan GI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
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“What I find puzzling is how exactly was the anti-Iraqi (and Afghanistan) war protest movement in Amerika completely nullified?? ”
a psychological operation named barack Obama
a weapon of mass pacification
the great normalizer
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hmmm…
pacifying peace movement
doesn’t sound quite right
weapon of mass anesthetization?
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@ michaeljonbarker
Thanks for responding to my question. I can understand your points but I see it as a case of the horse already out of the barn, meaning, we have already LOST most of our rights.
Obama just signed over control of the US internet to the United Nations and has recently spoken out in support of censorship of those who are misleading the public — i.e. censorship of alternative media that refutes and often disproves the garbage spewed by mainstream media.
I would suggest all check out all the executive orders signed by Obama during his two terms in office, the extension of the Patriot Act and other unconstitutional “laws” that literally strip away our rights.
While we have been sleeping the government has been plotting and planning in secret.
Also, speaking of economic instability, we are already on the precipice of economic collapse. The real unemployment rate is well over 25%, even higher in the black community. More people are on food stamps than any time in US history. A record number of children live in poverty. The stock market is manipulated and is best described as a balloon getting ready to pop. I could go on and on and it will continue DEFINITELY if Hillary is elected because she is simply a white female version of Obama (or he’s a black male version of Hillary)
either way they both take orders from the SAME PEOPLE.
Trump? Well, he’s a unknown quantity who is making promises he can’t keep. However, with Trump, he’s a pie that is probably poisonous but it’s a definite FACT that Hillary is a poison pie.
If I set the two dishes in front of you, point a gun at your head, tell you you must pick, then say, “one plate is poison” and “one plate is probably poison”
which one would you pick?
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@ nomad
I remember telling people back in early 2008 when Obama was running for president, that he spoke privately to a group of globalists and said he would start more wars. I told them to check out the video on youtube where an audience member asked him if he belonged to the CFR — the Council of Foreign Relations (look them up) and his exact words were:
“I don’t think I belong to the CFR.”
How does someone NOT know if they belong to any group, let alone the CFR??
And what I already believed about him from his short tenure as U.S. Senator was confirmed. That he would be a warmongering puppet for the white elite to put a BLACK FACE literally on their crimes. And that his candidacy had been planned long before anyone ever heard of him.
And now we are at war all over the planet, in Africa, the Middle East, and have now pointed our trigger finger at Russia, Syria, and China
And if Hillary gets into office, she will continue the strategy that already exists
And if people can’t see something wrong with waging war in every corner of the globe, frankly, they must have some screws loose.
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“Hillary … is simply a white female version of Obama”
and no black person should vote for that again
“While we have been sleeping the government has been plotting and planning in secret.”
While you were sleeping, they came and took it all away.
(https://youtu.be/Yr0sD89jX7M)
And they’ll keep doing it and doing it and doing it and doing it and doing it until we all wake up wake up wake up wake up.
Of course he can’t sing it like Don Henley. I suggest you listen to this one while watching the visuals in the video above.
(https://youtu.be/J_iM97ggx70)
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@Trojan Pam
I like your posts but this is the second time you’ve admonished me to look something up. Rest assured that if you state something that I am unaware of and am interested in I will look it up. So there is no need to say that. To me, anyway.
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@ nomad
My apologies, my advice to look something up wasn’t directed at you, it was a general comment for those who need more proof
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All our media (except Fox) shilling for Hillary
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@Trojan Pam
thanks. I thought that was the case but due to past bad experience w some catty bloggers I had to check. I again, love your work.
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I know nobody around here likes Infowars but I myself draw from whoever is telling the truth. Paul Joseph knocks this out of the park on the self destructing mass media. It’s like we are living under Communism where no dissent is allowed and the media speaks in one voice and selects our dictator for us.
(https://youtu.be/GpLAzAZXi2A)
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@nomad
On one end I blame the media, but I also blame people for not doing the research.
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Trump continues to prove what a low-life he is, and sadly, a sizable portion of Americans love that about him.
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I guess I’m really going over to the dark side here, but don’t let your hatred of Trump blind you to the truths that he is revealing. Because after Hillary is elected, this behind the scenes monster is what you’re going to dealing with. But its going to be even more vicious. More powerful.
(https://youtu.be/EYozWHBIf8g)
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Thought all would find this interesting
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBFEyN0sAqQ)
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Another interesting video
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLGG8VlDAOc)
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Aside from racism (of which by the way Hillary is not blameless)
Michael Moore Explains Trump’s Appeal Like Only He Can
(https://youtu.be/jOcstHhtL4Y)
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October surprise?
http://cnn.com.de/news/amish-commit-vote-donald-trump-now-lock-presidency/
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That’s a satirical site. With headlines such as this:
‘Police Officer On LSD Attempts To Save Anti-Masturbation Dolphin Mascot From Imaginary Fire’
and this:
‘Donald Trump Says The Earth Is Flat’
The ‘author’s bio’ or About us’:
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@Herneith
Shoulda known. However, here’s a real October surprise.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/303300-fbi-reopening-clinton-email-investigation
I think.
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@ Herneith
The best part is the phone number of their complaint department in your quote is actually the number for the Westboro Baptist Church (google them if you’re blessedly unaware of these douches in your Canadian oasis).
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http://www.blacklistednews.com/Unprecedented_Surge_In_Election_Fraud_Incidents_From_Around_The_Country/54935/0/38/38/Y/M.html
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This goes beyond election fraud to outright conspiracy among powerful players in government and in the media and some nongovernment orgs.
” Because almost 100% of mainstream media sources, as well as several prominent publishing news sources are implicated in the leaks in colluding with the Clinton campaign. These “news” sources (as you will find in the leaks below) have conspired to get Hillary elected, by only reporting anti-Trump smear pieces, manufacturing or exaggerating scandals, and hiding anything damaging to Hillary. Most are even donating big money to the Clinton campaign in order to keep the globalist status-quo. These revelations are the stories journalists dream of, but CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post, Politico, Huffington Post, AP, and several more are all implicated in the leaks. This is why the media has been so one sided this election season, and why only 6% of people trust the mainstream media. Trump hasn’t helped with some past comments, but asCNN said here, the media is doing everything they can to help Hillary and give her a free ride.”
They’re about to start war with Russia over Hillary’s cynical accusations against Putin to bolster her campaign. Never mind that it risks WW3.
(https://youtu.be/MhIIIXp8lXw)
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http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=16720
forgot link. oh well. long as I’m making a second comment let me quote further
Is Russia behind the leaks?
“Despite Hillary stating at the third debate that 17 intelligence agencies have said Russia is behind it, there is no proof that Russia is responsible for these leaks against her and the DNC. In fact, even Politico (who has been implicated in these leaks several times with Glenn Thrush) gave her claim a negative fact-check. There is no definitive proof, even from Hillary, only theories that it “could” be Russia. The reason for this constant claim by the media (as if it is 100% truth) is to pivot away from what is actually in the damning leaks and get your attention onto “evil” Russia. This immature approach by Hillary and the media, in conjunction with other recent foreign policy blunders, has led to extremely increased levels of tension with Russia, not seen since the Cold War. Julian Assange has strongly indicated that insiders in the DNC and US government are responsible for the leaks, including hinting at one DNC insider who was killed shortly after the DNC leaks. Regardless of who the hacker is, it does not take away from the validity of what is actually in the leaks.”
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The biggest conspirator possibly Google.
(https://youtu.be/PFxFRqNmXKg)
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Or the FBI who refused to indict despite ample evidence.
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Interesting article by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, hope all will read with an open mind
What Is At Stake In The Election
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45750.htm
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Colin Powell’s caustic comments about Hillary and Trump
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBZS5tEQHe4)
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I am voting because I think its the wisest most mature choice.
We African Americans have been and still to a degree denied partispation in the political process and not just us ,numerous other groups in numerous other countries and half our species based on gender.
I didn’t vote in few to any previous election because I was not mature enough to understand the political process.
This time its not just the presidential election I am interested in ,it about ballot measures and propositions and how they are funded ,its not about what “they” are going to do for you or to you but what you can do in cooperation with others to advance your own interests and the common good we all desire and share.
On here I hear Trojan Pam as well as on the street when I talk to some of my fellow African americans, how you should not vote, what have the democrats done for black people or how racist they were and still are.
But the thing is ,its not what they have done or will do ,its what we can and are willing to do for ourselves.
I am not waiting on reparations or an apology or for white people to stop being racist or even all black people to get it together,unite etc
I going do what’s in my best interest with the black people and other people that share those interest in a intelligent informed and cooperative manner.
And I find that passivity negativity and non fulfillment of one’s civic duties and responsibilities to be a part of the problem not the solutions.
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@Mbeti
“But the thing is ,its not what they have done or will do ,its what we can and are willing to do for ourselves.”
For most voting blocks it’s quid pro quo. The black vote is very valuable to the Democrats, as they cannot beat Republicans in the presidential race without it Yet the Dems haven’t done anything for blacks because black political leaders don’t demand or even ask any more. Hillary hasn’t promised a single thing to blacks–yet she’s getting 90%+ of the vote. That is a crying shame.
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@ Mbeti
To my recollection, I have NEVER told anyone to not to vote, I have said (over and over and over again) that each person should make up their OWN MINDS what they want to do. And to get informed about the issues (which most voters never bother to do).
I find it odd that if a black person doesn’t vote Democratic it is somehow synonymous with not voting when there are three choices on election day
1. Vote for HIllary
2. Vote for Trump
3. Vote for a third-party candidate
I don’t think it’s intelligent to continue to support political parties and their candidates who have done NOTHING for you and who promise you NOTHING.
If we have no expectations of them, why are we voting for them? And if we have expectations, shouldn’t those expectations be based on what we already know about them (because we’ve done our homework?)
I don’t understand how voting for a candidate like that is in the best interests of black people or anyone else (and I guess I never will)
In any case, do whatever you feel the need to and I will do likewise.
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@resw and Trojan Pam
both of you seem to be saying the same thing
because democrats in general are not specifically and publicly making appeals or offers to African american voters and because the african american community in general has not made “any” demands politically specifically to the democratic party – why vote or why keep voting democrat.
Specifically @trojan pam
you my not have said it but you definitely seem to imply it.
“I find it odd that if a black person doesn’t vote Democratic it is somehow synonymous with not voting when there are three choices on election day
1. Vote for HIllary
2. Vote for Trump
3. Vote for a third-party candidate
I don’t think it’s intelligent to continue to support political parties and their candidates who have done NOTHING for you and who promise you NOTHING.”
First your “nothing” is an exaggeration and distortion.
two I am supposed to ignore the obvious limitations of the american two party system.
Any third party candidate no matter how appealing has virtually and actually zero chance of wining ;its either democrat or republican or abstain.
“And to get informed about the issues (which most voters never bother to do).”
I used to be that way but as I have said I’m maturing (inspite of much opposition and little support);
and last time I checked a great portion of the ballot includes state senators , jugdes and district attorneys ,as well as measures and initiatives (that may or may not become law) that have little to do with one’s party affliation.
I havn’t read you or anyone else here discussing those aspects of the political process.
Or how to make or contribute to making a race,gender neutral system just that.
as opposed to entrenching one’s in group identity interests to the exclusion of all else.
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‘First your “nothing” is an exaggeration and distortion.’
not an exaggeration. they’ve done worse than nothing
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@ Mbeti
As long as I did not tell anyone to not vote, your belief that I “implied it” is simply YOUR INTERPRETATION of what was said.
You said: “I haven’t read you or anyone else here discussing those aspects (state senator, judges and district attorneys) of the political process.”
Because that is NOT the topic of this post. It is about Clinton and Trump.
If you choose to discuss those aspects, feel free to be the first.
For the record, I have no interest in making this system or any system “gender neutral” as I appreciate the differences between male and female, believe they exist for a reason, have no intention on being “politically correct” (aka swallow whole whatever nonsense the media manipulators shove down our throats)
Also, the only way to make this system a non-racist (or “race neutral” in your words) is to eliminate the system of racism/white supremacy, which means we must talk about it rather than pretending it doesn’t exist.
yes, I am “entrenched” in my group identity’s interests because EVERY OTHER GROUP is entrenched in their group identity’s interests (and seem to be benefiting greatly from it).
Do you have a choice to be something other than black? If so, please explain how you’ve accomplished that great feat.
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“For the record, I have no interest in making this system or any system “gender neutral” as I appreciate the differences between male and female, believe they exist for a reason,”
Really! Very interesting.
So restricting this convoy to just trump vs Hillary third debate – I can’t comment since I didn’t watch as I was already Decided and didn’t’ hear the media say any thing new just same racist sexist BS.
However if I may ver slightly off topic to gender and the role of women in American society- are you saying its acceptable that women didn’t’t get the vote until 1929 and it is also acceptable that their are certain activities that only males are qualified for and any activity women engage in they should always have less status ,recognition and pay?
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The biggest conspirator possibly Google.
‘Google has power to control elections, can shift millions of votes to Clinton’
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/364910-robert-epstein-google-hillary-clinton/
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@ Mbeti
“are you saying its acceptable that women didn’t’t get the vote until 1929 and it is also acceptable that their are certain activities that only males are qualified for and any activity women engage in they should always have less status ,recognition and pay?”
What??
that’s so off the wall, it’s not worth a response. Have a good day.
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@all
It figures!
I say this because even though I was attempting dialog with commenters here I know others are readriing this.
And I say “it figures” because in addition to a open forum on the internet ,the mental ill in varying degrees as well as the hostile the indifferent and our limited knowledge and communication skills.
When I first joined this blog I had a vision of dialoge with an vest array of honest truthseeking African Americans and others- how delusionally naive I was and still am to a certain extent.
I still hold to it as a vision for many reason that I am no longer as willing and interested to shareshare – maybe someday😢
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@Mbeti
“”When I first joined this blog I had a vision of dialoge with an vest array of honest truthseeking African Americans and others…
Many of us shared your vision when we moved from being lurkers to commenters. Vision can clash with reality when interacting with other people on an open forum or any social setting.
People grow up with different experiences and therefore see the world differently. People tend to believe their own version of “The Truth”. That can lead to disagreement and division. On another thread, you acknowledged that very real human tendency with this comment:
Mbeti, I think you hit the nail on the head with your comment from that thread. I would add that this “universal process” is inherent not only in large populations but in human groups of all sizes in all types of social settings——this forum included.
To me, the beauty of this forum (and most social interactions, both online and offline) is the opportunity to learn from others, to seek consensus and to recognize the difference between fact and opinion. In essence, this forum can provide an opportunity to be exposed to other people’s thoughts and experiences. That can expand your understanding of “truth”, if you are willing to keep an open mind.
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@ Mbeti
If I was dismissive or disrespectful to you, then I apologize
I do not want to discourage you or anyone from sharing their opinions, especially on a blog that is not even mine (!)
In answer to your question to me:
“are you saying its acceptable that women didn’t get the vote until 1929 and it is also acceptable that there are certain activities that only males are qualified for and any activity women engage in they should always have less status, recognition and pay?”
Absolutely not. I was speaking of the politically correct dogma that wants us to accept non-truths as in “a gender-free population.”
What the heck is a gender-free population?
When did being a male or female become politically incorrect?
I am dismayed when people allow the satanic controllers of the society to define REALITY for them instead of using their God-given common sense.
Especially when their true agenda is control aka a “new human order,” not a respect for people or their human rights
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@Afrofem
Thank you for your kind words😊
@Trojan Pam as well as everyone else
the comment this African expresses my view on this matter far more eloquently
“The 2016 election for US president post
munubantu on Sat 5 Nov 2016 at 13:23:04 ”
Specifically @Trojan Pam you said
“I am dismayed when people allow the satanic controllers of the society to define REALITY for them instead of using their God-given common sense.”
The god concept? Satan?
You do realize that – and I’ll quote what I read at YOUR blog – your christainty is a Slave tradition ,correct?
I used visit your blog regularly as I thought your insights into racism were quite informative ,however after you started religious ratings I left.
Even here you used be quite incisive and reasonable, however not much as of late.
Anyway we all change ,I see it in abagond,myself this blog in general etc
I hope once the distortion that is this election is behind us that you may again grace us with your insights and that they inform ,until then I am compel to disagree with most of your recent comments but I am always willing to listen and discuss.
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@ Mbeti
Thanks you my American brother!
I’m African but I can’t escape feeling a certain interest and even concern with things related to my African American brothers.
Interest in their culture and achievements.
Concern with some situations that they are forced to live (for example: police brutality) despite being in a industrialized and advanced society.
Concern with their well-being through these turbulent political processes in their land.
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@ Mbeti
I have NEVER said anything about Christianity or being a Christian. I believe in God but I do not practice any religion and I guarantee you will not find that on any of my blog posts, any religious rantings or any claims to being a Christian.
I believe in the duality of the Universe, where there is good, there is evil. That is my belief
Regardless, it does not matter if you or I believe in Satan, what matters is many white supremacists do and they have Satanic rituals and we ignore their beliefs at our own risk.
However, we can always agree to disagree and if me mentioning God every blue moon is enough to drive people away from my blog despite all the other information I post
then those people would be better off not wasting their time there. There are many other blogs that might be more to their liking.
No offense taken
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