The vice presidential debate for the 2016 US election took place last night, October 4th 2016. It was between:
- Tim Kaine, Democratic senator of Virginia, Hillary Clinton’s pick for vice president;
- Mike Pence, Republican governor of Indiana, Donald Trump’s pick.
Demeanour: Pence came across like a president, Kaine like a Boy Scout leader. Either way, it was a refreshing change from the Donald and Hillary reality TV show.
Pence retained his dignity by never losing his cool – and by not trying to defend Trump! Seeing Rudy Giuliani and Chris Christie these past days humiliating themselves by trying to defend every fool thing Trump says has been so sad and so disheartening. Pence kept above that. He was his own man. Overall that seemed the wisest course of action, but it did allow Kaine to ask why anyone should vote for Trump if his own vice president is unwilling to defend him.
Kaine, on the other hand, seemed proud to defend Clinton. He presented her views more forcefully than she does. She talks in an overly careful way that sometimes comes across like some kind of lawyerly lie. But Kaine did interrupt too much.
Police and the courts: Both Kaine and Pence agreed on the need for community policing and criminal justice reform. Pence even avoided supporting Trump’s call for stop and frisk.
Religion: They did not talk much about themselves, except towards the end when asked about their religious faith. Pence avoided – and Kaine failed to nail him on – his homphobic policies that flow from his religion.
Worst line: was said by Pence: “You whipped out that Mexican thing again,” belittling the concern of those who think Trump is racist for saying “that Mexican thing”.
Fact check: Statements rated False or Mostly False by PolitiFact:
Kaine: “both Donald Trump and Mike Pence think we ought to eliminate the federal minimum wage.”
Pence never said that.
Kaine: “Donald Trump wrote a book and he said Social Security is a Ponzi scheme and privatization would be good for all of us.”
Yeah, 16 years ago. Trump no longer believes that.
Pence: “Hillary Clinton failed to renegotiate a status of forces agreement.”
Obama’s fault, not hers.
Pence: “They want to expand (Obamacare) into a single-payer program.”
Never said that.
Pence: “Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine want to continue the policies of open borders, amnesty, catch and release, sanctuary cities.”
Clinton is only for sanctuary cities.
Pence: Donald Trump “never said that” more nations should get nuclear weapons.
He said Japan and South Korea should.
Pence: “You didn’t stop the [Iranian] nuclear weapons program.”
They did, for at least ten years.
Pence: “We have the smallest Navy since 1916.”
Only if you count the number of ships, not their size, power or cost.
Pence: “We delivered $400 million in cash as a ransom payment for Americans held by the radical mullahs in Tehran.”
Trump said this too. The US owed Iran that money.
Pence: “Less than 10 cents on the dollar in the Clinton Foundation has gone to charitable causes.”
– Abagond, 2016.
- 2016 election for US president
- Clinton-Trump Debate I
- Biden-Ryan Debate – the VP debate from four years ago