Not everyone on this list is necessarily racist – thus the word “presumed” – but most of them are probably more racist than most Americans. The list is in alphabetical order by first name. Thus Ann Coulter is under A, Pat Buchanan is under P, and so on. Those with links are featured in posts of their own:
- Alex Jones
- Ann Coulter
- Azealia Banks
- Ben Stein
- Bob Barr
- Bob Dole
- Bruce Willis
- Caitlyn Jenner
- Carl Icahn
- Chuck Grassley
- Chuck Norris
- Clint Eastwood
- Dan Quayle
- David A. Clarke, sheriff of Milwaukee County
- David Duke
- David Horowitz
- Dennis Miller
- Dennis Rodman
- Dick Cheney
- Dick Morris, political adviser
- Dinesh D’Souza
- Donald Rumsfeld
- Ed Rollins
- Erik Estrada
- Fran Tarkenton
- Fred “The Hammer” Williamson
- Gary Busey
- Gene Simmons
- Grover Norquist
- Herman Cain
- Herschel Walker
- Hugh Hewitt
- Hulk Hogan
- Jack Nicklaus
- Jack Welch, former head of General Electric
- Jackie Mason
- James Caan
- James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family
- Jan Brewer, former governor of Arizona
- Jared Taylor
- Jean-Claude Van Damme
- Jeanine Pirro
- Jeff Foxworthy
- Jeff Sessions
- Jerry Falwell, Jr
- Joe “The Plumber” Wurzelbacher
- Joe Arpaio
- John Boehner
- John McCain
- John Ratzenberger
- Jon Voight
- Joni Ernst
- Kenny Rogers
- Kid Rock
- Kirstie Alley
- Laura Ingraham
- Liz Cheney
- Lou Dobbs
- Lou Ferrigno
- Michelle Malkin
- Marco Rubio
- Mark Levin
- Matt Drudge
- Michael Savage
- Michele Bachmann
- Mike Ditka
- Mike Pence, governor of Indiana
- Mike Tyson
- Mitch McConnell
- National Enquirer
- New England Police Benevolent Association
- New York Post
- Newt Gingrich
- Nikki Haley, governor of South Carolina
- Norman Podhoretz
- Orrin Hatch
- Pamela Geller
- Pat Boone
- Pat Buchanan
- Pat McCrory, governor of North Carolina
- Paul LePage, governor of Maine
- Paul Ryan
- Peter Thiel
- Piers Morgan
- Randy Quaid
- Reince Priebus
- Richard Petty
- Rick Scott, governor of Florida
- Roger Ailes, former head of Fox News
- Rudy Giuliani
- Rupert Murdoch
- Rush Limbaugh
- Sam Brownback, governor of Kansas
- Sarah Palin
- Scott Baio
- Sean Hannity
- Shawn Merriman
- Stacey Dash
- Steve Forbes
- T. Boone Pickens
- Ted Nugent
- Terrell Owens
- Tim Allen
- Trent Lott
- Wayne Newton
How I made this list: these have all endorsed Donald Trump for US president in the 2016 election. I threw out those who:
- are friends or family (like Omarosa);
- are single-issue (like the NRA);
- have personal reasons to want to see the Clintons fail (like Juanita Broaddrick);
- ran in the state Republican primaries (like Ben Carson), being honour-bound to support the winner.
That is not to say that some of these are not racist too, but I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.
“Incomplete”: I do not have space for all those in the public eye who support Trump, much less those who oppose him and yet are racist too. Thus the word “incomplete”.
“Presumed”: Since Trump is basing his campaign on racist appeals, those who support him are presumably racist too. Some, though, might have Perfectly Innocent Reasons for supporting a flaming racist.
I made this list for future reference. In 2008 I made a list of people who thought Sarah Palin won the vice presidential debate. That has proved useful.
– Abagond, 2016.
See also:
- 2016 election for US president
- The Sarah Palin Kool-Aid Drinking Society – Rudy Giuliani, Michelle Malkin, Rush Limbaugh and Pat Buchanan made that list too.
- The word racist
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Actor and former pro football player Fred “The Hammer” Williamson is a racist too. He has endorsed Donald Trump as well.
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You are just as wrong about this list as Malcolm X was wrong about “house niggers”.
Any field hand knew that some field hand was the “tattler to charlie”, not some house nigger who did not get anywhere near the field hands.
And you cannot assume to know who the racist are. I suppose you mean anti black racist not just racist. That is unless there are no anti white racist in existence.
It is highly likely that most of the names you listed could fit in some category as racist, however you need more information then voting for “the donald”!
Some people are just unaware, ignorant and actually believe that in spite of his foolish-stupid rhetoric has a good business sense and might somehow bring back jobs. To you or to me they may be foolish; however I feel you should be careful about throwing the word racist around so freely.
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List looks spot on to me…Any white man who disowns, wilfully, the condition of Black America as just excuses or complaining and truly believes that Black Americans have the same opportunities and privileges as whites is racist, whether they like it or not!
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So who has ever said such a thing. Does an Italian receive the same treatment as a German in Germany.
The world is full of unfair situations and most individuals are doomed to remain at the bottom of the ladder.
Those that do not like it climb up by any means possible.
The social system in the United States is not helped by the heavy concentration of African Americans in the South-East portion of the United States and the Major Metropolitan Areas.
Within the African American communities, many individuals rise to fairly high levels of economic status.
Many college level African Americans are making their way into the Board Rooms of Corporations and Companies and are filling high level positions within the companies.
We have to find ways to increase the progression of African Americans by encouraging them to believe there is room for them when they qualify and we need to assure that no artificial barriers are left in place.
One job at a time, one qualified student at a time entering the work place identifying the barrier and knocking it down.
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There are very few names on this list I was surprised by, and a few I’d long suspected of questionable thought processes anyway, like Van Damme and Willis. Only one of these names really surprised me and that was Ally. Not because I’m a fan, but because I hadn’t thought about her in over a decade or more.
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Azealia Banks? I am so familiar with her..
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“One job at a time, one qualified student at a time entering the work place identifying the barrier and knocking it down.”
@Allen Shaw
I wonder how/why Abagond left your name off his list of presumed racists? Maybe you are significant enough to be on that racist list?
We are well beyond and past needing one job at a time. Why should we work for OTHERS when we ought to be working for ourselves, producing our own NON-GMO natural foods and making our own medicines??
We don’t need jobs. We need ownership of our own LAND, manufacturing, production, marketing, advertising, shipping, airplanes and transportation plus all manner of other businesses. We need these heavily concentrated BLACK populated areas, wherever they might be, for all sorts of good reasons!
We no longer want the fallen crumbs from others’ tables. It is well past the time to produce our own banquet. This is the legacy/thought projections we should instill in those that follow us, not the same BS that keeps us at the bottom of the ladder – hoping that THEY will give us a job.
The only barrier in existence is found in our collective minds. We are a super people with extraordinary powers and abilities held captive by some mechanism/lock in our heads. It’s time we destroy that lock!
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* Maybe you aren’t significant …
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Fan You are correct, I am not significant.
I just study the facts and present them. By the way since neither you nor anyone else can qualify to actually say who is racist, especially using such a poor basis for the determination it would make no difference if I were on the list. I would still be the same person that I am.
I would still continue to bring out the faults of any discussion. Perhaps you should actually read what I write and rebut it instead of making some trite remark.
Note the following: Number and percent of African Americans in the following states
33 Delaware 223,770 24% S 223,770
30 District of Columbia 333,526 51% S 333,526
22 Arkansas 486,414 16% S 486,414
19 Missouri 777,418 13% S 777,418
18 Mississippi 1,143,789 38% S 1,143,789
17 Tennessee 1,179,277 18% S 1,179,277
16 Alabama 1,329,356 27% S 1,329,356
15 South Carolina 1,391,305 29% S 1,391,305
12 Louisiana 1,550,575 33% S 1,550,575
9 Virginia 1,756,757 21% S 1,756,757
8 Maryland 1,903,068 32% S 1,903,068
6 North Carolina 2,317,007 23% S 2,317,007
4 Georgia 3,302,269 33% S 3,302,269
3 Florida 3,559,668 18% S 3,559,668
39 West Virginia 83,321 5% SC 83,321
25 Kentucky 408,684 9% SC 408,684
Totals 21,254,199 except West Va and Ky 492,005
Percentages 0.465363519% 0.010772515%
0.476136034% of African Americans live in the above 16 states. That does not include Texas. Perhaps you might like to study and report what the number of African Americans are living in Major Metropolitan Area that are in the other states. Living together in the “Black neighborhoods”
Now “you” should go and lift them up instead of speaking about what “they” should be doing. I believe they are doing the best they can and as I stated one by one moving up on the economic ladder, as they become educated thru colleges and trade schools and applying themselves.
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” I believe they are doing the best they can and as I stated one by one moving up on the economic ladder, as they become educated thru colleges and trade schools and applying themselves.”
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@Allen Shaw — Have you always talked out of both sides of your mouth at the same time, or is this something that you’ve recently developed??
If colleges truly educated, Black people would experience a greater financial slice of America’s economic pie. There would be less disparity between Black wealth and white wealth. The system is designed to deliver the LEAST to Black people. And yet you wish to remain within that system? This is why your name should be on this racist list.
Have you noticed that colleges and universities don’t teach us how to OWN banks, credit unions, stocks and stock exchanges????
All of this education and what do we own? Jobs – that are at the mercy of OTHERS and their economy. We’re still the last hired and first fired! Or didn’t you know??
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The inclusion of blacks on the list renders the term meaningless. Not everyone who supports Trump is necessarily racist. What’s the alternative. If you’re going to put people on a racist list for supporting a racist candidate, then open the floodgates for Hillary Clinton supporters.
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You know she started Birtherism. Right?
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Reblogged this on The Militant Negro™.
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@Abagond, I think you meant to type Peter Thiel not Paul Thiel. And if you’re going to include him you need to add a good chunk of Reddit and 4chan users.
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“ran in the state Republican primaries (like Ben Carson), being honour-bound to support the winner.”
Ted Cruz also ran and had no qualms refusing to endorse Trump. Cruz must be a flaming anti-racist by the criterion of this post!
Can’t wait for this election to be over so you can recover from your electoral fever. It has a deleterious effect on your mental faculties.
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@ Anne
Thanks.
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@gro jo
I noted in the post that you can oppose Trump and still be racist.
I am not going to fault someone for keeping a promise. When they made that promise none of them dreamed Trump would win, maybe not even Trump himself. Instead the fear was that Trump would lose and go independent and split the Republican vote.
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@Allen Shaw…
Well said and also true in my opinion. However, comparing typical bias for the human condition of Blacks in the United States, where POC were systematically oppressed for 400 years and who still feel the systemic effect from ambiguous means of oppression and white culture, are two different topics.
The culture in this country for white America is that Blacks are inferior, criminal and incapable of being civilized. This election proves that America is still very racist and very unequal. POC should fight, pull themselves up and do all the things you describe but that doesn’t mean at the same time you don’t fight for equality and discuss these topics with each other. Discussions like this can make a difference, discussions like this can open some people’s eyes.
The United States is my country and I do love my country but it does carry itself as the best of the best. Well I know that we are not the best of the best at many areas and one of those areas is racism and equality. We need to keep the conversation going and remember, the laws have only changed a mere 40-50 yrs ago, there are lots of families that don’t have the means, the fortitude, the strength; mentally or physically, to climb up out of the mire created by 450 years of brutality. In these cases it would be better to lead a common life if they had an equal chance at a normal middle class living if things were much more equal.
Discussions like this are only bringing forth the truth that bias in this country is beyond normal bias and is woven into our minds, our schools, our history, etc..If we don’t continue to expose it and point our fingers at it, there is a chance it will go on ambiguous and relevant for many more decades or longer, than it has to…
Peace my Friend…
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Nomad….
If you support Hitler are you a Nazi, a racist? Yes you are. If you support Trump and his ideology then you are part of the white supremacist culture and by default are a RACIST.
This man said that because an American born and raised judge, with Mexican decent, was unfit to try his case…The implications alone in that comment is 100% racist, if you can’t see that and ignore the 60 other comments he has made against anyone who is not white, it’s because you are a part of our racist culture and would be “Presumed Racist”.
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It’s a double edged sword, buddy. You support racist Clinton? You must be a racist.
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Nomad….Please give me irrefutable evidence Hillary is a racist and I will no longer support her…simple as that. But if you layout more right wing assumptions based on conjecture and half truths so that I have to be delusional and bias to believe them then your nothing but another misguided conservative for believing such apparitions…
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If you gonna take that attitude look it up yourself.
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Nomad is a conservative ? Lmao
Hillary has the same racist assumptions about Blacks today as she did when she said “we have to bring them to heel”. Her paternalistic placating attitudes in going after the Black vote is about her assention to power.
Hillary has stopped short of calling Trump a racist himself personally but critisizes his “racist rhetoric and tone” and has pointed out that his base of “depolrables” are racist, xenophobic ect.
The list of politicians and influential people who have called Trump a racist outright is preety small.
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I’ve already given you one. You chastise Trump for Birtherism (which is not really racism BTW, but since you consider it racism and seems to be the primary basis by which Trump is so designated, I’m using it) when Hilleary Clinton is the Mother of Birtherism. That’s right. I said it. Hillary Clinton gave birth to Birtherism.
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The Clinton campaign was first to plant the “birther” story based on an incorrect book introduction that stated that Obama was born in Kenya.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp
But it didn’t end with questions about where Obama was born the Clinton campaign also “othered” Obama by the “Muslim picture”. Trump and the right picked up these campaign smears and advanced them.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton
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The skepticism about Obama’s place of birth is reasonable and justifiable due to the paper trail he himself left behind declaring he was born in Kenya.
Not racist at all.
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Who the hell are super predators?
The USA global network of an ever expanding military industrial-complex??
Uh, nope… Ask Hillary!
Who ordered the HIT on Qaddafi in Libya because he was trying to move Africa away from a non gold backed currency?
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@ nomad
Hillary Clinton is racist too, but under the present circumstances, an anti-racist would support her over Trump. Trump is making nakedly racist appeals and pushing nakedly racist policies that go beyond even her level of racism. So guess who is gathering under his flag.
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@ nomad
Birthers are racist:
You are sticking your head in the sand.
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Nomad…
The Harvard Law book was a typo, proven already and had nothing to do with Obama, your believing smear campaigns and propaganda. Every single media outlet and fact checking site has already dismissed such dirt.
Second of all why didn’t Trump bring up the point that Hillary was the catalyst for his doubt? Why wait 6 years and then blame it on Hillary..Typical scapegoater, typical snake in the grass, par for course with him.
Trump has been proven to be the biggest LIAR ever to run for office, he lies 73% of the time he makes a statement opposed to Hillary’s 9%…thats a HUGGGE gap.
Trump is what is exactly wrong with this country and the world. Rich little daddy boys who have never lifted a finger in his life to get what he has. Born with a silver spoon in his mouth, raised as a white supremacist, raised to believe he is not touchable and when he wants something he takes it…He has raped 3 women we know of, he bribes people by admission, he believes in torture, he is a CHICKENHAWK, his daddy paid for 5 deferments so he could stay home and snort cocaine with his rich white buddies and rape college girls, he has extorted 3500 business owners, defrauded thousands of students, claimed bankruptcy so he again didn’t have to pay his bills, he calls POC the problem when it is wealthy white men like him whom are responsible for just about every modern day economical and social dysfunction…If you believe in a man like this you have a flaw in your psyche.
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@ Allen Shaw
Comparing anti-Black racism in the US to anti-Italian feelings in Germany is at best like comparing a cold to pneumonia.
Germany did not enslave Italians for hundreds of years, live under nakedly anti-Italian law for nearly a hundred years and then lock up Italian men in unheard of numbers for another 20 years. The anti-Black feeling in the US goes way beyond “normal prejudice”.
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@ Allen Shaw
You are refusing to see what is going on.
I mean racist against anyone who is not White.
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@ Michael Cooper
Thanks. I added him to the list.
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Group…
The “superpredator” remark, which Priebus and Trump referenced, was in the same speech a few lines later.
“But we also have to have an organized effort against gangs,” Hillary Clinton said in a C-SPAN video clip. “Just as in a previous generation we had an organized effort against the mob. We need to take these people on. They are often connected to big drug cartels, they are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called superpredators — no conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first, we have to bring them to heel.”
The full context of this incident does link children and superpredators, but nowhere in the speech does she directly label African-American youth this way.
However, backlash from this speech has followed Clinton into this year’s election. Two Black Lives Matter activists confronted Clinton at a private fundraiser in February, telling the candidate she owes black people an apology.
One day after this confrontation, Clinton released a statement to the Washington Post’s Jonathan Capehart, expressing regret for her word choice.
“Looking back, I shouldn’t have used those words, and I wouldn’t use them today,” she said.
It is obvious these are racist remarks but it is also clear that she was talking about criminals and a criminal enterprise, like the mob. She admitted she was wrong and apologized, something you will never hear from Trump. As for calling her a racist, I don’t agree. I know which whites are racist and she, as far as I know, is not racist…I hope. I don’t think her comments make her racist but of course I am not Black so my vote doesn’t count in the end and I have learned to trust Abagond and his fellow members for better guidance in these matters.
I did live through the 90’s and crime was rampant, worse ever, even here in California, where I could tell you numerous stories and experiences that affected myself and my family and friends, something had to be done. Unfortunately the 3 strikes law has been corrupted by racist cops and a racist system but it did originally make a big difference by getting violent people off the street. But just like anything else in this country men twisted it and used it to achieve an agenda instead of justice and safety it was used to further the destitution of people, mostly Black people.
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@ nomad
Hardly:
In the VERY FIRST SENTENCE IN BOLD I said: “Not everyone on this list is necessarily racist.”
It is relative not absolute. As I said above, an anti-racist would support Clinton under the present circumstances.
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I’m upset about Bruce Willis he always appeared to me to be amiable and intelligent.
@ Allen Shaw
I’m not picking on you honestly but some of the things you say just don’t make sense…
No of Italians murdered by German police in the last 50 years is 0
I think most of the world is aware that the treatment of some races in the U.S. (African American, Native American, Latin) Is about as bad as it could be.
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Debating Trump/Clinton breaks down to a kind of political oppression olympics.
If you take the racism away from either Trump or Clinton they both still represent moving the country towards different forms of tyranny.
Both will expand the power of the State though Trump will take it in the direction of a police state by federalizing all police across the United States. That will then give them the legal right to question, detain and expell people who don’t have the right papers. It will exasperate more police misconduct and add another layer of protection for police officers.
His economic plans of tariffs and protectionism will tank the economy and create another recession. His instinct will be to increase droning and his temperate will be hawkish.
He is not worried about deficit spending.
He is running because of his narccism and has no ideology beyond “brokering a deal.”
Hillary will be hawkish as well and never saw a war that wasn’t a good business opportunity. She will likely kill the Iran deal. She is not worried about deficit spending. Whatever party platform concessions the DNC made with Bernie will only happen if passed through Congress but don’t look for her to fight for them. She won’t persue any program that conflicts with the statis quo and the establishment is solidly behind her. She has her own narcissism, sees herself as “breaking that glass ceiling” and is driven by self enrichment. She won’t sign on to immigration reform and will continue the number of deportations at the same rate of Obama’s who has set a presidential record for deportations. Their won’t be any seat at the table for Hispanics anymore then there was under Obama. Her “justice reform” will not affect incarceration rates and she will continue to support the industrial prison complex.
I don’t think she will tank the economy through her economic policies as they will favor the corporatism of banks, Wall Street and trans national corperations.
The media is complicit in this charade that has become American democracy. Never has it become so clear the rigging and collusion behind the two party duopoly and this illusion that we have a “choice” in voting in “change”.
When we add nativist, racist and xenophobia to the picture we see not a post racial society but rather a toxic society where whites rage at their perceived phobic enemies, blame “culure” and “government” yet reach out to despotic figures and demand more government intervention to protect the nativist privileges.
The “change” Trump will bring will be an acelerated attack on civil liberties on a scale never seen before during “peacetime”. Rule by executive privilege to bypass Congress and the courts.
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“I know which whites are racist and she, as far as I know, is not racist…I hope.”
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The above is a problematic statement – on so many levels… well, on at least three!
Moreover, Hillary PLAYED the race card with her super-predator remarks. She issued a coded phrase to white people who believe that crime is mostly a cold blooded Black thing — as if most of the people convicted and caged are violent offenders, Or, as if Black kids are responsible for acts like mass school/church violence. This forecast of super-predator crime rates & doom never materialized. In fact, the rate of crime decreased
Interesting how white pathologies are never truly examined by white people.
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@Fan “Have you noticed that colleges and universities don’t teach us how to OWN banks, credit unions, stocks and stock exchanges????”
Well Fan in order to own a bank or stock you purchase them. If you have worked and have a 401 (K) retirement you probably own a portion of all of them.
It is highly likely that no one individual owns a bank!
I do not know if you went to a school of higher learning or graduated from a qualified high school; however they probably taught the subject and you were absent or did not hear what was being said. Also, when attending school most students are require to buy books or they are supplied. If the student read the book they enhanced their knowledge base; however it is rumored that many students did not read the books and just listen to the teacher.
People make choices with what they do with their earnings. Perhaps you should just take a little time to study up on Investments.
I am quite sure that there are many of “us” that own stocks and bonds and are unaware of it because we do not have an interest in learning where our retirement savings go.
Fan, there is no actual way to determine wealth of individuals, because of time and circumstances. Most wealth is a world wide affair and no one looks at all of the people of the world.
It is true that in the United States there is a disproportionate distribution of wealth. If anyone says there are millions of White “dirt poor” people someone is going to say “they are only talking about “Black Poverty” and do not want to hear no Uncle Tom talking Sh–“!
Enjoy your day.
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@William the Conquerer The true solution is to legalize drugs. That would kill the entire drug market overnight.
Replace the drug market with clinics to help those individuals who become addicted to drugs.
The three strikes law was poorly written in the beginning and allowed juvenile offenses to be used as a part of the three strikes.
Naturally the law used the law to it advantage to rid the streets of individuals who they deemed “problems”.
Nobody remembers that the law was passed at the request of the African-American Community to stop the use of “Crack Cocaine” which was devastating the community.
“Be careful what you ask for you might get it”.
African-Americans live in consolidate areas and become easy targets for any activities. It will always be this way unless the African-American disburses into the entire population and that is unlikely to happen.
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Fan…
“I know which whites are racist and she, as far as I know, is not racist…I hope.”
My point was that being white and male I get to see behind the curtain. White men who are racist will almost never speak honestly or be themselves around POC, women, in public, etc..However, when that locker room door shuts and it’s just us white guys in the room I hear the TRUTH about how these people think and feel. I look like one of them and since they are so visually convinced about who a person is, they see me as a typical white conservative who won’t mind a good old Black joke or a good Black bashing of our President. I grew up with these guys, I still occasionally get caught in the middle of a racist collaboration among my clients when I am working within one of their homes. POC will never know for certain what these white men say or believe behind closed doors, but I do…Thus, I know what a racist is and I know which whites are not racist but like all of us have learned racism or get called out for shit we are sometime oblivious to but have absolutely no ill intent. I have worked my entire adult life to rid myself of my learned racism and I fear that sometimes nothing I do can keep me from being perceived a racist by a few simple words meant to describe a situation and not to demonize an entire group of people…
Hillary was clearly attacking violent, desperate and mean people who prey on others, like your sisters, your mothers, your grand parents, etc…The criminals in the 90’s included all groups of people, white, Black, Hispanic, etc…She was speaking about a specific area and specific criminals at the same time trying to protect women and children in these areas who are more often victims of these criminals.
Violence against another human being is the cut off, Black, white, whatever, once you have begun to prey on other human beings, raping, shooting, robbing, you must be taken off the streets and punished. We cannot work on improving our situations if we are afraid to leave the house, afraid to go to school, burying our parents or worse, our kids, etc.. At the same time I am completely aware of why most people turn to crime…despair, poverty, lack of a good education, environment, it’s time we spent billions on these issues and stop spending it on our corporations and war…
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Racists like Allan Shaw try to sound intelligent but your lack of knowledge is embarrassing . If you have a college education it’s doesn’t show. Maybe you couldn’t afford the right books.
Their are plenty of private banks that are locale and Black owned.
There is no difference between crack cocaine and free base cocaine other then Blacks smoked “crack” and whites smoked “free base”. The prison sentences were dispapotionatly different but then the State had ramped up incarceration rates and needed the bodies.
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Omarosa should be on that list and her choice of friends like Donald Trump is suspect.
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Omarosa Manigault and Allen West and Allen Keys and that boot licking sheriff from Milwaukee and evangelical Pat Robinson.
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@abagon “Germany did not enslave Italians for hundreds of years, live under nakedly anti-Italian law for nearly a hundred years and then lock up Italian men in unheard of numbers for another 20 years. The anti-Black feeling in the US goes way beyond “normal prejudice”
I get your point, yet you are speaking about 50 years of history in Europe and 400 years of slavery. I would suggest you read the history of Europe before you deny the mistreatment of anyone. Remember people did not flee Europe because they were happy campers. The cruelty of Europeans is noteworthy and that includes European Russia. Study the history of China and then come back and talk about cruel behavior. Did you happen to pay any attention to the problems in Yugoslavia?
http://www.history.com/topics/bosnian-genocide
How many people did Pol Pot kill?
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/pol-pot.htm
How many people died during the beginning of the Communist period in Russia? How many Jews died and were kept imprisoned. What was the death count in the Hutu-Tutsi war?
Did you take a peek at Nigeria when they were fighting?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War
For you to claim to be a historian and fail to actually see the true ills of this world is almost folly!
Today we have the advantage of 20/20 hindsight; however we cannot be blind to the past and ignore all other mistreatment except the harsh treatment of slaves and “Jim Crow”. And just in case you may have forgotten or choose to ignore try to remember that African-Americans own African Americans during the slavery period; therefore it was not just a racial thing! Please do not respond that they only bought their families to free them.
Yes, the African-American has had a terrible time in the United States; however every effort is being made to offer opportunities to them to advance. The rate of advancement might not suit you; however if you are honest you will have to admit that opportunities are available to those who wish to take advantage of it.
Following chart shows the population of African-Americans living in 16 South-East States. Each state has no more than 38 percent of the population which is African-American, except the District of Columbia. They total almost 50% of the total population of the African-American community.
33 Delaware
223,770 24% S 223,770
30 District of Columbia
333,526 51% S 333,526
22 Arkansas
486,414 16% S 486,414
19 Missouri
777,418 13% S 777,418
18 Mississippi
1,143,789 38% S 1,143,789
17 Tennessee
1,179,277 18% S 1,179,277
16 Alabama
1,329,356 27% S 1,329,356
15 South Carolina
1,391,305 29% S 1,391,305
12 Louisiana
1,550,575 33% S 1,550,575
9 Virginia
1,756,757 21% S 1,756,757
8 Maryland
1,903,068 32% S 1,903,068
6 North Carolina
2,317,007 23% S 2,317,007
4 Georgia
3,302,269 33% S 3,302,269
3 Florida
3,559,668 18% S 3,559,668
39 West Virginia
83,321 5% SC 83,321
25 Kentucky
408,684 9% SC 408,684
21,254,199 492,005
0.46536352 0.01077252
0.47613603
What is your agenda?
What do you want?
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@michaeljonbarker “Their are plenty of private banks that are locale and Black owned”
Please identify the totally Black owned banks!
Look into the background and see where the money is coming from.
Also at no time have I ever implied what my academic level is.
If calling me a racist helps you sir have at it.
I know who I am!
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Abagond
“It is relative not absolute. As I said above, an anti-racist would support Clinton under the present circumstances.”
An anti racist would not support a racist. A relative absolute is ab oxymoron.
William the Conquerer
“The Harvard Law book was a typo, proven already and had nothing to do with Obama, your believing smear campaigns and propaganda. Every single media outlet and fact checking site has already dismissed such dirt.”
Show me where.
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@Abagond.
Sorry, read that wrong. Forget that first part.
“, an anti-racist would support Clinton”
F–k Hillary.
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@Allen Shaw: We all know who you are too a racist.
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@Allen Shaw
Here are 21 Black owned banks in the U.S. according to the FDIC. Magic Johnson has invested money in Black owned banks in Los Angeles and helped in start ups. There are also online banks and credit unions.
Fractional banking allows for a percentage of deposits to be matched by the Federal Reserve.
http://saintheron.com/news/there-are-over-21-black-owned-banks-in-the-u-s/
One United is the largest on line Bank.
https://www.oneunited.com/about-us/
This will help educate you on how banking works.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking
This is the Federal Reserve page on how to open up a private Bank.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/banking_12779.htm
You have made erroneous arguments across various threads that can be easily discredited by just googling. That’s why is suspect you have little education as you have no critical thinking skills. I haven’t bothered with you before because I’m tired of pointing out the obvious to boys who still live at home.
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michaeljonbarker What was my question again/
“Please identify the totally Black owned banks!”
You have not shown that the Black owned Banks are entirely owned by Blacks.
“In order to be listed in our directory the bank must have at least 51 percent African American ownership”
Who own the 49%? (Your own reference)
Fractional banking is a part of all banks and is nothing strange. It has nothing to do with who owns the banks.
When will you and Mary understand. Of course I am not as intelligent as you. I have never ever claimed to have any age, knowledge or education, why other than being an Uncle Tom, racist pig, a– hole I have no reason to exit according to those of you who are the dictators of quality for the Black race!
I do not mind if you never respond to me; however if you do be factual and do not read into what I say other than what is there!
I will continue to research and respond to the articles that are published on Abagon. I hope they are honest and fair and not written to cause those who do not grasp social issues to get involved in heated situations they do not really understand.
You make a general statement that I make erroneous statements but instead of individually identifying them you want to lump them together and make an accusation of all of my erroneous statements. That is really poor workmanship and does not speak well for such a high level intellectual. Something that even with my minimal education and lack of knowledge, I do not do.
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Nomad…
If you read the article in Snopes, which only states that the pamphlet written about Obama and distributed at Harvard did indeed exist and it does say Kenya…Big deal, a school pamphlet and a editor who wrote the entire article or brief on Obama. She admits that she never spoke with Obama nor was given permission do any such thing. Her statement is below…When you want to get the TRUTH about someones birthplace you pull a birth certificate, not a random school leaflet littered with dozen of typos and mistakes….produced by students about a man who is not altogether well known at the time. Typos and mistakes are made every day in literature about people and their demographics, the fact a political party spent 8 years looking for anything and searched under every rock, every straw of hay and still has not found one single CREDIBLE shred of evidence that this President has ever stepped out of line or done anything but represent himself as the almost PERFECT MAN is a big failure on the part of the GOP and it’s racist agenda…
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp
The editor of the biographical text about Barack Obama which was included in the booklet maintained that the mention of Kenya was an error on her part and was not based on any information provided to her by Obama himself:…Obama out, Mic drop!
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The FDIC identifies the banks I listed as being “Black owned”. Apparently your research dismisses that based on your assumptions about “them”.
Can you show that banks are 100% owned by whites? Of course not and that’s not the point. Your mind is blown that Blacks actually have wealth to make partnerships to create banks that investors in there community. Why is that ? Because banks have a history of discriminating against Blacks.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/07/15/black-owned-banks-credit-unions/87118624/
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Dinesh D’Souza : I know a few Indians, especially those of India’s Catholic community who have heard of, and are embarrassed by him. White colonialism has indeed very deeply affected the psyche of some Indians.If its brown, sticky, smelly but stuck on the rear end of a white man …. then it must be chocolate.
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michaeljonbarker I did not make any assumptions I copied out of the reference you gave. I know no bank is owned by any one race and would never make such a statement.
Banks are owned by people with money. When people deposit money into the normal checking and saving accounts they do not own the bank.
I am glad to hear that people are depositing their money into the local Black Banks and since that deposits are protected everything will be find.
Your conversation does not mean that the Banks are not controlled by outside forces; yet since this is the second attempt at this and many of the senior Bank Officers probably had their training at much larger banks, they should be successful.
The question is can a “Black Bank” loan money to a person with a low credit rating any faster then a “White bank”. Most of the White Banks that I have gone to had Black lending officers.
I have no way of knowing nor will I even look at the number of Blacks that have stock in the normal “White” banks. Where is your retirement money invested?
“Your mind is blown that Blacks actually have wealth to make partnerships to create banks that investors in there community.”
Where did you read anything that I said that even sounds like that. Any few football players could start a bank. Oprah could open a bank by herself. I have stated that many Blacks have move to the top of the ladder. Blacks have been and are Chairmen of Boards CEO and COO.
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@William the Conquerer
“..Hillary was clearly attacking violent, desperate and mean people who prey on others…The criminals in the 90’s included all groups of people, white, Black, Hispanic, etc…She was speaking about a specific area and specific criminals at the same time trying to protect women and children in these areas who are more often victims of these criminals.”
In a recent Mother Jones article written by Kevin Drum, A Very Brief History of Super-Predators, he describes who coined the term, “super-predator” and the atmosphere surrounding that hysteria in the mid-1990s.
This is how Dilulio described these supposed “super-predators”:
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/03/very-brief-history-super-predators
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Yet, Dilulio, the Clintons and a host of other policy makers have overlooked one crucial element in the rise (and fall) of violent crime rates—–lead poisoning in childhood. Lead was routinely used in the early 20th century in housepaint, household plumbing and as a gasoline additive. The juvenile crime wave of the 1960’s to the1980’s is linked to leaded gasoline in particular. According to another Mother Jones article, the effects of lead poisoning include:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health
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What I find most fascinating about this discussion about 1990’s hysteria over criminals is that for the past decade and a half, America has dealt with a massive increase in crime. The nature of the crimes have not been addressed by policy makers nor have the criminals faced public outcry or negative consequences. I’m referring to the large scale financial crimes that have crashed the economy, thrown millions of people out of work, stolen the homes of ordinary people in all walks of life and looted the national treasury.
The people who committed those crimes could easily be labeled “super predators”. They certainly fit the description:
▷absolutely no respect for human life and no sense of the future.
▷ place zero value on the lives of their victims, whom they reflexively dehumanize.
▷capable of committing the most heinous acts of financial and social depravity.
Instead this class of sociopathic criminal is celebrated in the media as “winners” and “go-getters”. They have taken a sledge hammer to the economy and suffered no consequences. Many people don’t even think of them as criminal. That term seems to be reserved for low income individuals engaged in street crime.
I think we should enlarge our understanding of what constitutes “criminal behavior” and seek legal sanctions against all criminals equally. We should consider the victims of criminals and insist on restorative justice for their pain.
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Allen, I do not know if you went to a school of higher learning or graduated from a qualified high school; however they probably taught the subject and you were absent or did not hear what was being said. Also, when attending school most students are require to buy books or they are supplied. If the student read the book they enhanced their knowledge base; however it is rumored that many students did not read the books and just listen to the teacher.
People make choices with what they do with their earnings. Perhaps you should just take a little time to study up on Investments.
I am quite sure that there are many of “us” that own stocks and bonds and are unaware of it because we do not have an interest in learning where our retirement savings go.
Today we have the advantage of 20/20 hindsight; however we cannot be blind to the past and ignore all the racist accusations leveled at white people. And just in case you may have forgotten or choose to ignore try to remember that white people owned white people during the slavery period; therefore it was not just a racial thing! Please do not respond that they only bought their families to free them.
Yes, white people are having a terrible time in the United States; however every effort is being made to offer opportunities to them to advance. The rate of advancement might not suit you; however if you are honest you will have to admit that opportunities are available to those who wish to take advantage of it.
Now Allen you should go and lift them up instead of speaking about what “they” should be doing. I believe they are doing the best they can and as I stated one by one moving up on the economic ladder, as they become educated thru colleges and trade schools and applying themselves.
The social system in the United States is not helped by the heavy concentration of white people in the South-East portion of the United States and the Major Metropolitan Areas.
The following chart shows the population of white people living in 16 South-East States.
Delaware. White people 618,617
District of Columbia. White people 231,471
Arkansas. White people 2,245,229
Missouri. White people 4,958,770
Mississippi. White people 1,754,684
Tennessee. White people 4,921,948
Alabama. White people 3,275,394
South Carolina. White people 3,060,000
Louisiana. White people 2,836,192
Virginia. White people 5,486,852
Maryland. White people 3,359,284
North Carolina. White people 6,528,950
Georgia. White people 5,787,440
Florida. White people 14,109,162
West Virginia. White people 1,739,988
Kentucky. White people 3,809,537
You see whites make up 67.4375 % of the population
I don’t think you do well in trolling so my advice to you is to go back to school or learn a trade. If you work hard and pull yourself up with your bootstrapes you might be able to live in a nice neighborhood someday.
http://atlantablackstar.com/…/10-richest-black-communiti…/2/
White people live in consolidated areas and become easy targets for any activities. It will always be this way unless white people disburses into the entire population and that is unlikely to happen. When it does you might even try to move to a city.
http://www.blackenterprise.com/…/top-10-cities-for-african…/
Some people are just unaware, ignorant and actually believe racism is a thing of the past.
I just study the facts and present them. By the way since neither you nor anyone else can qualify to actually say who is racist, especially using such a poor basis for the determination it would make no difference if I was or wasn’t as the figures speak for themselves. Yup.
What is your agenda? What do white people want?
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Allen Shaw….
“the African-American has had a terrible time in the United States; however every effort is being made to offer opportunities to them to advance.”
First of all stop referring to people as them…Second of all please explain to me how America has made efforts to bring Blacks out of the mire created by white America from 450 years of brutality?
Please explain every effort, because these are examples of every effort when a culture or country oppresses or commits atrocities against a group of human beings:
1. Japan and the USA rebuilding and replenishing of infrastructure and economy after dropping 2 atom bombs on women and children…That is making every effort after vaporizing approx 140,000…of course nowhere near the 8 million Blacks killed in America but close.
2. Israel and the USA, Britain and Egypt’s collusion in bringing Jews to the southern part of Palestine and the subsequent $4 billion dollars a year with a discretionary budget of up to $13 billion. Again we rescued Jews, we didn’t do anything but rescue them and somehow we have done more for the Jews than our very own countrymen who we lynched 40,000 times and not one single person spent a single day in jail, last lynching was in 1970 by the way and most of them occurring from 1865 to 1965.
3. Banks and the bailouts over the years paid for by our hard earned tax dollars, in addition to corporate welfare and record profits going into the hands of a very few. We or should I say conservatives, have spent every effort to cater to corporate America while Blacks still live in the same ghettos that existed in the 1600’s. 1700’s, 1800’s, and so on…
4. Great Britain and the rebuilding after WWll…again another helping hand to white men and women while Black Americans still suffer at home at the hands of a brutal white supremacist system.
When the civil rights laws were passed it was essentially the Independence day for POC in this country and more so for Blacks. Blacks finally had a starting point where they could fight back, however it would be decades and decades before real change occurs. Whites were still racist, our culture was still racist, whites still owned and ran everything and the very powerful would still being doing their part to quell any progress made by the masses. Of course there will be success stories and when a Black man or women makes it in America believe me they fucking earned it because their climb to the top was most likely ten times harder than the climb to the top for a white person.
After 400 years of inhuman brutality and oppression, conspiracies to subdue an entire culture and starting out with absolutely nothing, the civil rights laws freed men and women but it left them with nothing and institutionalized. Blacks have always been taught that they were stupid, insignificant, don’t speak, don’t look at white people, you can’t eat with white people, you are not as good as white people, etc, etc…How does a people go from 400 years of ingrained dysfunction and jump right into the wonderful white supremacist world of capitalism, here’s a clue…IT”S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE!
Now what does this wonderful beautiful loving country do to lift our fellow countrymen up from the mire, 100% created by white America, NOTHING, NOTHING!
No govt legislation, bailouts, no slavery reintegration act, no billion dollar clean up the ghetto money, no interest free loans for housing like so many white people got through the years, no homestead decrees, no money into education, no govt funded college policies to right the 400 years of suppressed education, NOTHING.
Blacks built most of this country and created billions of dollars of wealth for white aristocrats and families so their reward is affirmative actions, which any good racist manager can get around with half a brain. So I for the life of me cannot believe you have some delusional fantasy that this country has ever done anything for Blacks and of all the atrocities committed by this country against human beings, Blacks should be at the top of the Stimulus list…We should not be spending $6 trillion dollars on illegal wars, we should be spending our tax dollars on getting our impoverished cities and people out of the hole and get these kids educated, fed, jobs, INCLUSION!
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@michaeljonbarker
LOL! Good one!
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Afrofem…
Thank you in droves…and I couldn’t agree more with the entire post. The lead poisoning really grabbed my attention as I work in an industry where this comes up quite often…Thank you.
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@Afrofem
Hat tip and a huge applause for laying it all out so succinctly!!!
Thank you.
@William
“Hillary was clearly attacking violent, desperate and mean people who prey on others, like your sisters, your mothers, your grand parents, etc…The criminals in the 90’s included all groups of people, white, Black, Hispanic, etc…She was speaking about a specific area and specific criminals at the same time trying to protect women and children in these areas who are more often victims of these criminals.”
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Seems like you don’t know who the real Hillary is. It’s not hard to find out. Google is your friend! You should begin when her husband was the governor of Arkansas and continue to the present.
I’ll say this though. She doesn’t have a leg molecule to stand on when it comes to her attacking supposedly “… violent, desperate and mean people” given her own criminal past and present. It’s really worse than the pot calling the kettle black, given her own affinity for crime (/Vince Foster’s supposed suicide and MORE).
That so many people are ignorant of her and her husband’s well documented sociopathic tendencies, in the age of the Internet, defies my ability to comprehend! The mainstream media has chosen to look AWAY from instead of AT this evil woman. Apparently so too have sleeping, ignorant, Amerikans with their heads buried deep in the sand.
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“Some people are just unaware, ignorant and actually believe racism is a thing of the past.
I just study the facts and present them. By the way since neither you nor anyone else can qualify to actually say who is racist, especially using such a poor basis for the determination it would make no difference if I was or wasn’t as the figures speak for themselves. Yup.”
.LOL LOL
That’s the best imitation of Mr. Rose Bubble Potato Head, I’ve seen…
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Fan
“Seems like you don’t know who the real Hillary is. It’s not hard to find out. Google is your friend! You should begin when her husband was the governor of Arkansas and continue to the present.”
All conservative attack sites and all propaganda, nothing but conjecture and lies set up with half truths, typical political attacks…Where is your evidence, how can you possibly claim to KNOW THE REAL HILLARY? That statement alone is ignorant unless you are an actual friend or acquaintance. You CHOOSE to believe the rhetoric conservative sites and I choose to wait for evidence that can prove that every single attack where law enforcement has not gotten an indictment is just politics as usual…however Trump is a completely different story, he has been convicted of several crimes and has been indicted several times.
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/we-investigated-donald-trump-is-named-in-at-least-169-federal-lawsuits/
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@ William
Okay then. The overwhelming evidence has been presented by various witnesses – across the political spectrum – regarding both Clintons. I would hardly call the Haitian people, conservative.
Their criminality is a matter of record, not a conservative conspiracy. Even the *Clinton Foundation*, by itself, should be enough to give any THINKING person pause. You can believe what you wish, of course.
Me? I know snakes when I see them. Or hear their hissing and rattling.
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Fan…
You mean this Clinton Foundation…
https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-foundation/478
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Fan…
By the way the Clinton Foundation gets an A rating from charity watchdog groups, once again proving that all of what you hear in the media is politically motivated LIES!
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Please excuse mee William ….
Ah sorely must be mistaken. Missus Hillary and her upstandin’ husbond are de most remarkible upstandin citzen servants, evah!!
Golly gee, dude… what must I a ben thinkin? Ah better back off dem bananas some. Maybe al dat possium be messing with mah thinking.
Sho ya right, and fo shore I’ve been Conquoredy!!
Piece!
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@William the Conquerer
“Nomad…
If you read the article in Snopes”
I take Snopes with a grain of salt. I’ll be back to comment more on this after I have read thru some of the recent comments.
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Fan
So tell me Fan, who should I vote for, who should I support? Jill Stein? Someone I know nothing about, someone who has no record of service?
I think I see why you have become so angry at my support for Hillary, your a Bernie voter…well I have news for you, so was I. I voted for him in the Primary, even though he waited to the last minute to announce his candidacy. He lost and now I have to move on regardless of the implications that votes were not counted, these claims are made every single election by every single side that loses. Funny how no one talks about voter fraud when they win an election.
I was never a huge Hillary fan, I was upset when she didn’t support the President and when she made comments making him look bad, knowing the struggles he was facing against a obstructionist congress. However she voted the same as Bernie did 93% of the time and that about as close as I need so I am voting for her.
I am a Democrat and I do not want Trump and the GOP to screw up and decimate the accomplishments Obama has made during the last 8 years, Bernie supports her and I supported Bernie, no one knows her as well as the man who worked side by side with her for 8 years and no internet “STORY” is going to tell me differently. By the way for every internet Google search against Hillary there is one that exonerates her. Like Fact Check and Politifact.
Besides, am I not allowed to support her? You have the right to disagree with her or despise her but let the anger go when someone doesn’t support the people you do…Trumpo is a different story, he is blatantly evil, cruel and racist person.
Your Massa and Dude statement is just ugly and uncalled for, that’s all I will say about that.
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@William the Conquerer
When this malefactor starting betraying black people right and left back in 2009, it became obvious to me he was a Trojan horse. I wanted to know about his shrouded background too. Guess that makes me a birther. So be it.
And he further clouded the issue by releasing an arguably forged document. “Multiple layers, weird objects inconsistent fonts “. Made me wonder why.
And I wonder where the person who made the mistake on the year book got her info. There must have been something that made her “assume” that he was born in Kenya. With this kind of smoke around this malefactor I say ‘trust but verify’. Actually I just say verify. Because I don’t trust this CIA groomed liar. The birthers have a right to be skeptical. I have a right to be skeptical. If that makes me racist, I guess that’s how it has to be. Fan said it well. “since neither you nor anyone else can qualify to actually say who is racist, especially using such a poor basis for the determination it would make no difference if I was or wasn’t as the figures speak for themselves.”
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The white person who denies racism and white supremacy are a thing of the past and black people need to stop living in the past is a racist and a white supremacist. As long as white people deny there is no racism and black people only play the victim card those whites may need to do some self reflection. For those white people who refuse to acknowledge White Supremacy as a problem that needs to end, it means you have no intention of ever doing anything about it and are fine with the status quo as long as it benefits them. Which is how passive white supremacist think. And when black people go along with the system of white supremacy and have no problem with it that makes them c**ns and sellouts trying to appease the dominant culture and trying to assimilate in the dominate culture.
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@abagond
thanks for the link
I have been hesitant to call Obama a racist. now I feel free to do so.
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Nomad…
She came up with Kenya because that is where his birth father and brother are from and where he descend from but not where he was born…any research at that time may have led a person to believe he was from Kenya.
To tell you the truth I don’t care if he was born on the moon. This all inclusive privilege that if you aren’t American you are not worthy is just more bullshit created and meant for the white supremacist who wrote the Constitution. A document meant for white slave owners, rapist and murderers of men. A 250 year old document which much of it as worthy today as a manual on on the Yoke….
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@Afrofem: Your post on lead poisoning and it’s effects on the brain development of young children is insightful I have been reading many think pieces on environmental racism. Water pollution and lead poisoning effects people who live in disadvantaged communities here in the United States. Crime is a symptom of poverty along with other maladies that plague low income communities. But many don’t want to have this conversation they just want to paint all black people with this dirty paint brush.
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William the Conqueror
“To tell you the truth I don’t care if he was born on the moon. ”
I don’t either. I’m saying its not racist to be skeptical.
In case you can’t tell, I am not a fan.
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Well, yeah. Yeah I do, on second thought. I wouldn’t if he were a good guy. But he isn’t, so I do. Keeping it real.
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@nomad
” I have a right to be skeptical.”
I honor your right to be skeptical and your skepticism.
Since I never trusted Obama, when the birthers started their rants, I studied their proof. You make a good point that birth certificates and hospital records can be faked. So those pieces of evidence were unconvincing to me.
Nearly impossible to fake are newspaper birth announcements from mid-20th century America. Their information generally came directly from county health departments. Those birth announcements were generally short and to the point: parents name and address and baby’s gender. People had to pay for more extensive announcements of birth, engagements, weddings and death in those days.
For example:
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Correction:
I consistently misspelled Dilulio. His last name is correctly spelled DiIulio.
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“Your Massa and Dude statement is just ugly and uncalled for, that’s all I will say about that.”
@William,
I guess I didn’t get that memo! When did “Dude” become an offensive word?? And as for “Massa” I checked my last little post three times … I couldn’t find any mention of Massa – whatsoever.
If that’s indicative of your reading/viewing skills, no wonder you think the Clintons aren’t so bad!
If it was uncalled for, as you seem to think, so was your preachy tirade about how you as a white man KNOW more about who is racist because racists reveal their true selves to YOU backstage – as if Black people can’t tell who are the racist people pretending that they aren’t. We’ve been seeing through the BS for some centuries.
At this point I don’t care who anyone votes for. If voting could/would change anything for the better, it’d be illegal. Just about everything involving our rulers and overlords is rigged against the common Amerikan.
(S)elections are rigged, asset forfeiture laws are rigged, society moving towards a cashless system is rigged, even our personal electronic devices are rigged. Let me not talk about taxes, fees, dues … Too big to fail, too big to go to jail.
If the original Temptations sang a song called Ball of Confusion a long time ago, I wonder what they would be singing today — if they were still around??
Most politicians who indulge lobbyists (pay to play money men) in my opinion are low life entities. I just find that the Clintons are especially lower than the lowest!
POTUS… They’re all just figure heads (with a little power) who answer to more powerful (and hidden) entities than themselves.
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@Afrofem
It has always been my contention that the birthers were somewhat misdirected. Focusing on that one document. To my mind it was only a piece of the puzzle and could have been a ruse to obfuscate something else. “Send the birthers off on a wild goose chase with a doctored birth certificate. Make them look stupid. While what we are really hiding is over here.” And likely has to do with the CIA. Play chess? Misdirection is part of the game.
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@ Fan
“…society moving towards a cashless system is rigged…”
Ah, I see you have been reading about that “bankers hands in our pockets” surveillance scheme, too.
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Fan….
You know what you were doing with your broken hillbilly sarcasm, stop acting like a child, you know damn well what you were doing.
Tell me how you can tell the white people at your work who are racist and who are not? Your assumption that one guy may be racist could be shyness, awkwardness, etc… You have no idea who is racist unless they have exposed themselves to you. My comment was meant to expose the ambiguous racism that lurks among the conservative party. I have been politically involved for 20 years and I can say with certainty, not all Republicans are racist but all racist are Republican…
But no matter what I say I think you are one of those people who is going to believe what you want about me and when I give you honesty you’ll chock it up to lies or pandering….Peace off!
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@Fan and Afrofem.
You might like this. Former world bank president gives a speech at Stanford about the coming monetary shift. It’s not a conspiracy it’s a business model.
(https://youtu.be/6a0zhc1y_Ns)
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@ William the Conqueror
What is the proper pronoun for people if I should not use “them”?
My statement was “is doing” not “was doing”.
If you want to talk about individual reparation do not compare your conversation with nation building, talk about reparation and not all around it. I will not comment on that subject (Reparation) at all.
I do not believe it is helpful to condemn an entire race of people as racist and then expect them to joyfully write a public law that is going to be beneficial to African-Americans.
In fact I feel that it is just plain stupid.
Each individual sees live as they see it and have experienced it. Try not to condemn others because they did not have your experience or understand issues the way you understand them.
In an open forum, every thought should be welcome. If a person does not agree it should be there right to rebut the statement on an individual basis, not condemn the entire individual or statement.
While Abagon makes every attempt to present a balanced blog, it has a tenancy to be pro African-American which makes it difficult for those of us who might have a neutral view.
For all who might read this comment, my education, background and any other information has nothing to do with what I say, so do not bother to try to delve into anything except that which you read. I truly believe that most of those individuals who blog on this site have more education then I do. I am positive they have more experience living in the poverty areas of the nation then I, because they say they do, and they imply that I do not have any such experience.
I have decided that there is no useful conversation I can add to this blog now that you have brought out the thought (Reparation) that I have been actually asking Abagon to admit to.
Follow Up:
When you deposit money in a check or saving account you get practically nothing back in return.
If you buy a bond, or a CD you start to receive a little more interest on your money.
If you deposit money in a checking account that you are not going to use for paying bills, you are giving money to some rich investor who is using your money and not paying you back for its use. In addition you will probably be paying a monthly or annual service charge for the service that you are being provided.
If you buy stock in a reliable company you will be “tiny owner” and will also probably be paid an annual dividend while continuing to own the stock which may grow in value.
To Mary, Fan and others: I continue to remind you of my lack of knowledge, low breeding, and no education as you have proclaimed over and over. And Mary I just totally believe in “hard work”. I have “worked hard” all of my life; however I have performed very little manual labor other than cutting my grass.
I am Black/White/Yellow/Red! I am 5 years old I am 100 years old! So what! I am not applying for a job!
Good bye until the next subject.
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Does Kenny Rogers really count?
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“I continue to remind you of my lack of knowledge, low breeding, and no education”
Self hating white man. We will add you to our prayer circle.
Your education is not the issue rather you inablity to conceive other competing social constructionism.
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Comment in mod. YouTube link
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“You know what you were doing with your broken hillbilly sarcasm, stop acting like a child, you know damn well what you were doing.”
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Oh Great WHITE FATHER, William, I always know what I do and with whom I’m doing it with … or, to. By the way, where’s your sincere apology for accusing me of using a word I never used? Oh wait, you’re William the Conqueror.. a WHITE guy, right? I could possibly die waiting for that apology. Never mind!
But I’m still waiting on that memo about that supposedly terrible name I called you. What was it again?? Was it “dude?”
You wouldn’t happen to live way out West, on a horse ranch, by any chance, would you??
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“Tell me how you can tell the white people at your work who are racist and who are not?”
You figure that out, daddy! (Maybe it’s that vaunted ole Black magic.) While you’re pondering that, take a look at a recent Abagond post about the Stono Rebellion. You remind me very much of something I pasted on that thread from wikipedia. And now you show up to prove the point. How wonderful of you. : /
specifically:
“If any one or more of them, at any time, are inclined to raise their heads to a level with their master or overseer, humanity and their own good requires that they should be punished until they fall into that submissive state which was intended for them to occupy. They have only to be kept in that state, and treated like children …”
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Soooooo now you can see that my child-like behavior/training towards you is all natural/real/inherited/passed down, (dad or do you prefer father??)
Or maybe that other word that begins with a “M”you lied about and said I used??
In closing I’d like to share some child-like words with you (you may or may not know). I shan’t assume you already know these, well because …
Say these with me now: P-A-T-E-R-N-A-L-I-S-T-I-C. Good, good..
Now try this one: c-o-n-d-e-s-c-e-n-s-i-o-n not bad…
Okay – last one: p-a-t-r-i-a-r-c-h-y
Nice chattin with you pops. Come on back sometime when you can stay awhile!
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“You wouldn’t happen to live way out West, on a horse ranch, by any chance, would you??”
ROFL
The dude seems like he has rejected Dudism.
https://www.facebook.com/Dudeism/
Out West “dude” is a cool word.
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“To Mary, Fan and others: I continue to remind you of my lack of knowledge, low breeding, and no education as you have proclaimed over and over. ”
@Allen Shaw
The only thing I recall proclaiming about you is that you likely live in some rose colored bubble (and hinted that you might have a Mr. Potato Head). That’s it!
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“The dude seems like he has rejected Dudism.
https://www.facebook.com/Dudeism/
Out West “dude” is a cool word.”
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“Dude” certainly isn’t offensive on the east coast. Maybe it’s a problematic word in TEXAS?
Maybe William is giving some thought to signing up for a Dudist position in Dudism so he might get over his offense of the “Dude” word.
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at firstfirst I was not going to reply period and definitely not until I read some comments,but I have been reading this blog for some years and while its difficult to see and prove – black people ,including abagond generally support all the racism they say they are agaiNest.
For instance why of all the people on that list was that particular person chosen to be the poster person?, why even have a poster person?
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@michaeljonbarker
A big shift that enables bankers to get a cut of every transaction you make from a pack of chewing gum to purchasing a house.
Then there is the snooping in your personal business aspect and selling your transaction history to the highest bidder….
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Speaking of the (stellar charitable) Clinton Foundation:
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Former_Haitian_Senate_President_Charges_Clinton_Foundation_with_Massive_Fraud/54153/0/38/38/Y/M.html
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Fan…
Lets take a look at the entire comment and move away from the one word you seem to want everyone to focus on…Oh and by the way, what were you saying about my “reading/viewing skills”? Maybe you should start with the man in the mirror before you throw around insults that describe yourself better than they describe others…
” Please excuse mee William ….
Ah sorely must be mistaken. Missus Hillary and her upstandin’ husbond are de most remarkible upstandin citzen servants, evah!!
Golly gee, dude… what must I a ben thinkin? Ah better back off dem bananas some. Maybe al dat possium be messing with mah thinking.
Sho ya right, and fo shore I’ve been Conquoredy!!
Piece!”
You see how when you include the entire TRUTH and not the bait and switch bullshit you choose to play, we can clearly see how you were being condescending, mawkish and childish…
Dude was not offensive but at the time when I was responding I was going by memory and chose not to scroll up to see the entire comment…this trollish behavior is a waste of time, semantics.
I am not perfect but I am sincere…I may have come off like some white savior but that is not my intent. Anyway I am done with this subject and if I said or sounded superior or racist I apologize to you and the room..but you also have responded offensively and intently and I responded accordingly.
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@Afrofem
“Ah, I see you have been reading about that “bankers hands in our pockets” surveillance scheme, too.”
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/your-money-or-your-life-whats-behind-the-latest-government-scam-to-rob-you-blind-2_092016
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In regards to claims about the Clinton Foundation, 89% of monies went to charitable programs, which garnishes the foundation an A rating. Smaller charitable tributaries or secondary charities on the fringes typically see little or no money until they are placed on the primary list, this is the half truth portion of any charity that has been politicised but it is mere political publicity.
Considering all of the organizations affiliated with the Clinton Foundation, he said, CharityWatch concluded about 89 percent of its budget is spent on programs. That’s the amount it spent on charity in 2013, he said.
We looked at the consolidated financial statements (see page 4) and calculated that in 2013, 88.3 percent of spending was designated as going toward program services — $196.6 million out of $222.6 million in reported expenses.
We can’t vouch for the effectiveness of the programming expenses listed in the report, but it is clear that the claim that the Clinton Foundation only steers 6 percent of its donations to charity is wrong, and amounts to a misunderstanding of how public charities work.
— Robert Farley
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/
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Most of these names I’m not surprised if they are proven racists. In fact, about 95% of them are suspect. The rest I never knew.
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https://duckduckgo.com/?q=clinton+foundation+scam&t=ffsb&ia=web
Imagine what other better known search engines have on the scandalous Crooktons Foundation.
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Fan…
Of course I cannot be 100% certain that Hillary or Bill are good people or that the stories printed about them aren’t true. I do know their record of voting and the results and they are much better than the alternative.
I voted for Bernie but it didn’t work out so at this time I choose to support Hillary, if I am wrong, I’ll eat my words and discontinue supporting her but the alternative is a uber wealthy white supremacist with power issues, this type of person is exactly what the Bernie movement was intending to kick out of Washington, not made leader of.
In conclusion Fan, I don’t want to fight any longer, I agree with most everything you have said on this thread about govt and America, accept your views on the Clintons. As regard for her comments about “Superpredators” and “bringing them to heel”, I asked myself this question; “would she have used those exact descriptions to describe criminals from other areas of the country, with lighter skin color, such the Hells Angels, the Mafia, the KKK…I believe she would have. The words are an apt description of people who murder, rape and pillage towns all over America, from every demographic. I also agree with the term used for Wall Street criminals who sit in their high rise offices worth more than most of us will ever see in a lifetime, who with a signature can ruin thousands of peoples lives and who bilks retirement account money from elderly people and who commits fraud to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars and yet gets a slap on the wrist if caught and prosecuted.
I truly wish you the best
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“…Fan, I don’t want to fight any longer”
Were we fighting? I didn’t know. Playing with the likes of you is hardly a fight.
“As regard for her comments about “Superpredators” and “bringing them to heel”, I asked myself this question; “would she have used those exact descriptions to describe criminals from other areas of the country, with lighter skin color, such the Hells Angels, the Mafia, the KKK…I believe she would have. The words are an apt description of people who murder, rape and pillage towns all over America, from every demographic.”
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When was the last time you were examined for Dementia? Or, delusional thoughts and behaviors? Are the waiting times at your local psych hospitals too long?
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“I truly wish you the best”
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Save the BS, Willy. It’s not working over here. I only hope that the next Black person you find yourself in the company of will quickly see through your smoke, mirror and lights production, and will regard you as the terminal rapscallion you undoubtedly are.
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Rapscallion, I like that.
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@Fan
Thanks for the link.
The article focused on the government and hackers (that’s scary enough), but my great concern is the misuse and larceny by private entities of digital “cash” and it’s digital trail. Corporations selling transaction records to data miners who aggregate the data and sell your profile to the highest bidder. It reduces everyone to walking around naked before the powers that be.
What about the right to be left alone?
P.S. Rapscallion; hadn’t heard that one in a while. (chuckle)
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Fan…..
WORD!
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@Afrofem
It has always been my contention that the birthers were somewhat misdirected. Focusing on that one document. To my mind it was only a piece of the puzzle and could have been a ruse to obfuscate something else. “Send the birthers off on a wild goose chase with a doctored birth certificate. Make them look stupid. While what we are really hiding is over here.” And likely has to do with the CIA. Play chess? Misdirection is part of the game.
For example, I would be concerned about his place of birth, but I would be concerned about other anomalies in his background. Working for a CIA front after college for example. And noticing how reluctant he was to release the 28 pages re Saudi Arabia, I would be concerned that this was out of obligation to the Saudis for financing his college education.
(https://youtu.be/RP8gIzfvy7c)
“It’s possible this guy is senile, but there’s no doubt that he was a big Obama supporter and fan. Not an enemy.
If he was senile at the time of this report, he did hold important elected positions, so he’s not a flake coming from left field.
He’s basically saying that Obama’s Harvard Law School career was paved by Khalid Al-Mansour, the advisor to Saudi prince Al-Walid bin Talah.”
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/obama-watch-1/weird-obama-testimony.html
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Bowing to his benefactor
https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/britain-finance-economy-g20125057-300×300.jpg?w=300&h=300&crop=1
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Fan …
“Speaking of the (stellar charitable) Clinton Foundation:”
This is an outrage. Just what I thought would happen when Obama announced aid for the Haiti earthquake. Well, no. Much worse than I imagined. Racist rip off Clinton Foundation. Racist first black half white president.
(https://youtu.be/nlS4SimQfv8)
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@Mary Burrell
“For those white people who refuse to acknowledge White Supremacy as a problem that needs to end, it means you have no intention of ever doing anything about it and are fine with the status quo as long as it benefits them.”
IMO you’d be hard pressed to find many who are genuinely interested in ending a system that specifically benefits them.
@William the Conqueror
“Please give me irrefutable evidence Hillary is a racist and I will no longer support her…simple as that”
How about her defence of a former KKK grand dragon, whom she called her “friend and mentor” and “a man of surpassing eloquence and nobility” and whom she as Secretary of State “relied on for his advice and counsel”?
What makes her and slick Willie racist is that they took a page right out of the racists’ handbook to justify Byrd’s service to the KKK, saying he was just “a country boy from the hills and hollows of West Virginia”, “he was trying to get elected”, and the classic, “there are no perfect people.”
The Clintons are Dixiecrats through and through.
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Resw
I will research this and get back to you, thank you.
Unfortunately I fear your comment about whites not wanted to share our privilege with others may be true.
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RESW….
“What makes her and slick Willie racist is that they took a page right out of the racists’ handbook to justify Byrd’s service to the KKK, saying he was just “a country boy from the hills and hollows of West Virginia”, “he was trying to get elected”, and the classic, “there are no perfect people.””
This is disturbing to me.
I read that Byrd had changed, apologized for what he called the worse mistakes of his life but was that enough, was his apologize politically motivated? He was well into his middle aged years before denouncing decades of bigotry and service in the most racist group in history. In 1964 he voted against the civil rights act, 20 years after he joined the KKK, why would anyone oppose something 400 yrs overdue. His letters to Senators during his youth about serving with Blacks is disgusting and signs of inherent racism, can that type of hate be unlearned? I don’t know but I do believe in forgiveness, however in this matter my forgiveness doesn’t count.
I don’t have a problem with her being friends with the man if he changed, I myself have racist friends and family members that I grew up with, when they weren’t racist, or sure didn’t show any signs of being until they were older and became cynical and spoon fed too much media bias for their experiences with Black people. I would think most of us know people who are racist or prejudice to some degree or towards one group or another.
Thank you Resw…
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Abagond…
If you would, could you give me your take on Hillary, do you think she is a racist? Being friends with white people racism comes with the territory, I have life long friends who have racist views and some who are racist, does that make me racist? At their eulogies I would say good things about them, the things about them that are good anyway…
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Looking at some recent exchanges on this thread reminds me of law professor Derrick Bell’s Five Rules of Racial Standing, in particular rules one and two.
begin excerpt:
FIRST RULE
The law grants litigants standing to come into court based on their having sufficient personal interest and involvement in the issue to justify judicial cognizance. Black people (while they may be able to get into court) are denied such standing legitimacy in the world generally when they discuss their negative experiences with racism … No matter what their experience or expertise, blacks’ statements involving race are deemed “special pleading” and thus not entitled to serious consideration.
SECOND RULE
Not only are blacks’ complaints discounted, but black victims of racism are less effective witnesses than are whites, who are members of the oppressor class. This phenomenon reflects a widespread assumption that blacks, unlike whites, cannot be objective on racial issues and will favor their own no matter what. This deep seated belief fuels a continuing effort – despite all manner of Supreme Court decisions intended to curb the practice – to keep black people off juries in cases involving race. Black judges hearing racial cases are eyed suspiciously and sometimes asked to recuse themselves in favor of a white judge – without those making the request even being aware of the paradox in their motions.
end of excerpt
http://genius.com/Derrick-bell-the-five-rules-of-racial-standing-annotated
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@ William the Conquerer
Hillary Clinton is a racist. Not as bad as Donald Trump, but still bad:
I am voting for her only because Trump is far worse.
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@ William the Conqueror
Duh, because it was a racist dog whistle:
For it to work there has to be plausible deniability and yet have a fair expectation that it will appeal to racists who will fill in the blanks with their own stereotypes. Her super-predator was just the Black Brute stereotype repackaged, a stereotype as old as Jim Crow, the stereotype that drove lynching and, later, White flight, police brutality, and, partly thanks to her, mass incarceration.
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How could you forget to add Mel Gibson??? He’s a fire-breathing racist!!!
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“How could you forget to add Mel Gibson??? He’s a fire-breathing racist!!!”
@Natalie
Please explain.
He’s a fire-breathing racist to whom? Blacks – or (white) Jews??
Or, the (white) irish?
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@William the Conqueror
“was his apologize politically motivated”
Well he did say, ” Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don’t get that albatross around your neck. Once you’ve made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena.”
See? Not because it was wrong to be a racist terrorist, but because it was bad for your political career.
“I don’t have a problem with her being friends with the man if he changed”
He wasn’t just a friend but a “mentor”. She also called herself a “Goldwater Girl” and still honours J. William Fulbright. She even married Bill. These are all racists according to their actions not just rhetoric and she chooses to hold them in high regard.
Since Hillary has had a long career of honouring racist people, saying and doing racist things, and worst, supporting racist policies, anyone who supports her should be a “presumed racist” too.
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Just remember: Republicans who are disowning Trump now, in the wake of the hot-mic scandal, drew the line at White women: they were quite comfortable with him condoning violence against Black and Latino men and all the things he has said to the country about Mexicans and Muslims.
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@Abagond
Good point. Lots of squealing now, none earlier. It would serve them right to lose the Presidency, the House and the Senate. We still don’t know how this rollercoaster election season will end.
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@Afrofem
Rollercoaster is right. I am reading “The Making of the President 1968” by Theodore White. That was even more of a rollercoaster.
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