On this blog, March is White History Month – or European American Heritage Month, if you prefer. Not all posts will necessarily be about White History, but probably more than in other months.
Black History Month in February was a bust! I will do a post on Lee Daniels on Monday but then dust myself off and call it a month. I need to stick to mainly doing posts that have a 24-hour turnaround. Bacon’s Rebellion and Racism before 1400 were not that.
You can make suggestions in the comments below, of course, but this time I am going to play it completely by ear. That means there will be no formal list of projected posts this time.
After I complete a post, I will add a link to it below so you can check back at this page throughout the month:
- Herodotus
- The Birth of a Nation
- Jane Addams
- How to write about White History
- The DOJ report on the Ferguson police
- Mitochondrial Helena
- segregation academies
- The Proto-Indo-Europeans
- Germani
- Angles
- English Americans
See also:
- Why there should be a White History Month
- “Your blog is anti-white”
- Post ideas:
- Promised posts
- What I was not taught about American history
- Poll results from last year
- The comment thread below:
I just did a site revision for a Quaker who was very active in early Civil Rights. He has some great stories. http://afriendlyletter.com. I might have mentioned him here, I did somewhere in the past month. He got to spend time in a jail cell with MLK and Ralph Abernathy ’cause the sheriff in Selma in a Stupid White People moment wanted to isolate all the ‘important’ people arrested during the day’s march, and since Chuck was White, the sheriff assumed he must be important. Actually, he was the just-hired intern, a complete nobody. He had spent the day being one of four young guys surrounding Martin as a shield against snipers. Months later he found out there actually was a sniper on one of the roofs that day. He saw lots of threats coming in all the time. He’s been writing for a lifetime now. There are lots of stories about Quakers heavy into abolition.
I worry all the incidents lately that inflame the polarity between Black and White is more conniving by covert instigators with hidden agendae. It would be good to counteract that with stories about anomalous and non-compliant White people. The country has quite a history of them, that it readily likes to forget.
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..Was totally lookin’ forward to more Black History Month topics-but life happens to us all..this month’s “White History” should be quite an interesting subject as well though!
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Oh no you Didn’t!
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The Landover baptist church website.
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It would be nice if you could dig up some nice stories about Whites. Most or at least many of the comments I read on this site are anti White!
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How about a post on Lyndon Johnson?
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– Maybe a transitional about the historical administration of black folks as black in white societies, and how the lack of such leads to the assumption that, say., Miss Jones must have been white.
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How about a post on the white slave owners who passed on their vast fortunes to their ‘black’ heirs? Such individuals give the lie to the Jefferson worshipers who claim that he had no choice in keeping his ‘black’ children in bondage. Quite a few of these ‘black’ kids turned out to be just like dear old dad!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_Lewis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Kingsley
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/secret/famous/pendarvis.html
http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/articles/pages/4474/Stanly-John-Carruthers-1774-1846.html
http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/03/black_slave_owners_did_they_exist.html
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Though I believe that white people get enough exposure,especially when black children go to schools where black history is totally disregarded,it’s still something I’d like to see only if it’s not what I already know.
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Since you’re doing this, I think it would be pertinent to have most posts focus on the events, people, and technology that created the White Race and proliferated White Supremacy:
Bartolomé de la Casas
Dred Scott decision
Roger B. Taney
Samuel Colt
Maxim Machine Gun
British Raj
Boxer Rebellion
Matthew C. Perry
Filibusters (military)
Berlin Conference
Sharecropping
Chain Gangs
Eli Whitney
Redlining
Cointelpro
The Prison Industrial Complex
The Contras
The CIA & Cold War Asia
Reconstruction & The Nadir of Race Relations
The Gilded Age (for the Libertarians)
Rhodesia
The Nuclear Age
Andrew (muthaf*ckin’) Jackson
The Central Park Five
Open & Concealed Carry
Apologies if you’ve already covered some topics.
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How about the European Americans and Jewish American involvement in the NAACP?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_for_the_Advancement_of_Colored_People
And the Niagara movement is also interesting…?….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niagara_Movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadir_of_American_race_relations
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Artists, Scientists, and others:
Horatio Alger
Ayn Rand
Thomas Edison
Nikola Tesla
Albert Einstein
Friedrich Nietzsche
H. G. Wells
Issac Asimov
Walt Disney
James Watson
D. W. Griffith
Gutzon Borglum
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My peak picks:
* Restrictive Covenants – fits well with school segregation, sundown towns, blockbusting
* Boston School Busing Boycott – OVERDUE
Films, TV, books depicting white US history
including
* Birth of A Nation (1915) – aka The Clansman – silent film released on March 3, 1915, exactly 100 years ago. PERFECT subject for White History month this year – 100th anniversary. (I am thinking about watching it – if time permits could do a first draft.)
* How the West was Won (1962) – star-studded hollywood blockbuster. PERFECT for white version of US history.
* Pearl Harbor (2001)
White Historical figures
Andrew Jackson (1767 – 1845) – policies towards Native Americans, slavery and Texas / Mexico.
Roger B. Taney (1777 – 1864) Chief Justice of Supreme court, staunch slavery supporter; presided in the Dred Scott decision
Thaddeus Stevens (1792 – 1868) staunch anti-slavery abolitionist who opposed President Andrew Johnson during reconstruction with alleged mistress Lydia Hamilton Smith
William Lloyd Garrison (1805-1879) (abolitionist)
Woodrow Wilson (1856 – 1924) – make “the world safe for democracy.”
Strom Thurmond (1902 – 2003) America’s longest running Senator; Staunch segregationalist and opposer to Civil Rights for most of his career. Had black daughter (Essie Mae Washington-Williams)
J. Edgar Hoover (1895-1972) FBI Chief
George Wallace (1919 – 1998) Alabama’s most famous governor and presidential candidate
Elvis Presley (1935-1977)
**any white female anti-racist
Political Parties
Whig Party
No-nothings
Tea Party
Green Party
White Political Groups
Ku Klux Klan
White Citizens Council
White government policies
Homestead Act
G.I. Bill
War Brides Act
White Cultural groups
Franco-Americans (eg, in Northern New England)
Cajuns
Amish
Mennonites
Ozark Hillbillies
Swedish-Americans
the Scotch-Irish (and contribution to white American culture)
Jewish Americans
White Muslims
“Black Irish”
“Black Dutch”
“American” ancestry
Other stuff
Pre-Anglo white American history, eg, in the territories of New France and New Spain
White LIberal Guide to … to complement the Republican User’s guide
Republic of Texas (1836 – 1845)
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One more
Haoles – White history in Hawaii
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When was the first time in history that the term “White” was used to refer to races of people?
Could anyone give a reference so I can read it.
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^^^^
Sometime in the late 17th century terms like White People and White Race entered the English language. The idea of a White Race is probably a little older since it takes a while for language to catch up with the culture.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people#.22White_people.22_and_modern_racial_hierarchies
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3298065?uid=3737536&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21103326622643
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Is White history month about white Americans generally or specifically about white supremacy/ whites relationship with non-white people?
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@ Kartoffel
It can be anything about Europe and its diaspora, but, right, White American racism and its history will be of bigger concern on a blog like this.
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^ White Americans “generally” includes white supremacy and relationship with non-white people. Since the definition of “white” in America is in relationship with non-white people, how can one adequately cover White American history otherwise?
For example, the Boston School Busing boycott was all about white people fighting for white people’s rights.
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I also forgot to mention about
Regents of the University of California v. Bakke (1978)
Fisher v. University of Texas (2013)
Each a case of a white person fighting for “white person’s rights”.
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“It would be nice if you could dig up some nice stories about Whites. Most or at least many of the comments I read on this site are anti White!”
I think it’s strategic. With all the research into what happened to my Serb family in the ghetto of Croatia, there’s lots of damming evidence that it was the CIA instigating that race war. Then when I look at recent events and the evidence that the polarity between the races here is stepping up, and you’re hearing more and more people on both sides talking vitriol, it would seem unwise and irresponsible to throw more fuel onto that fire. It’s also potentially playing right into the hands of those connivers, if they are indeed lurking in this scenario, playing us all.
When the intellectuals in any group start saying even subtle things to exacerbate tensions like that it can have an influence on unstable personalities who wind up doing ridiculous things like shooting a Chinese and Hispanic cop in New York or pulling random white people out of cars and beating them to death.
It’s not an issue of what White people deserve, it’s an issue of what’s politically sound strategy. The Black underclass I believe is in terrible danger. The great genius of Black people in America has been their ability to achieve seemingly impossible things peacefully — or in the case of the Civil War — let the white people fight it out, at least till the end. Or like Legend’s song ‘Glory’ fight the war with peace. It’s a beautiful thing. It’s the only survivable strategy for a minority, speaking as one from a minority that’s presently on the brink of extinction. Nobody ever used the word ‘militant’ figuratively on us, and look where it got us.
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@ Allen Shaw
According to the Online Etymology Dictionary:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=white&searchmode=none
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Linda,
Generally speaking if you don’t want to inflame black people don’t admonish them about inflaming racial tension.
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It’s kind of strange… Even here, where the narrative is POC-centric, it is still true that every month is White history month – because of what White people do, constantly, to force ourselves into the lives of POC. Obviously, once again, the actions of police are foremost in my mind after the shooting of the homeless man in LA. Even though the shooter seems to have been a black officer, the police force is a White organisation – I mean in its nature and agendas rather than in officer demographics.
I have no suggestions for this month. I just look forward to some interesting perspectives. I’m expecting to spend much of the time wincing…
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Abagond,
every month is “white history” so why do they need their own month, when they are on 365 d/year.
Anyway, as the coon representative requested, do you plan to do any “nice” stories about European Americans?
because I’m sure, none of us has ever read, studied, or learned anything “nice” or “positive” about white/Europeans
the white western scholars who wrote, published, and distributed the educational material that was used to
indoctrinateteach us at school,Must have missed other “positive” Eurocentric views and history, than the typical ones taught to us.
Thank God you are doing “white History month” to fill in those blank holes
I’m waiting with bated breath to learn about more European philanthropist, philosophers, scientists, inventors, explorers, settlers, tribes, history, and a whole host of stuff not covered by the white western media.
Turning off my sarcasm now, Abagond… carry on
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@L.K. Carter
You’re correct. It’s about what we deserve.
The best strategy, imo, is to starve the Beast and strive towards sovereignty. Decentralize the police, break their unions, and/or replace them with community-based security forces. We build communal/cooperative institutions to do for ourselves in the realms of education, nutrition, medicine, security, housing, media, etc., until we are functionally, culturally, and politically independent from the U.S. If the Kurds can do it, we can.
That’s not true at all. Fredrick Douglas encouraged African Americans to enlist and prove ourselves men. We were active participants in the Civil War as soldiers, spies, scouts, sailors, saboteurs, and nurses.
If you’re going to make an abolitionist reading of the Civil War (which isn’t wholly accurate), then it didn’t start in 1861, but 1776 wherein many African Americans fought on behalf of the British Crown for the promise of emancipation. Or perhaps even earlier than that, when we’d raid British Colonies on behalf of the Spanish and earned the name “Negr@” from our alliance. We continued to fight that war after 1784 via slave insurrections, poisonings, assassinations, and playing no small part in the Sacking of D.C. during the War of 1812.
The Civil Rights Movement was an insurgency against the state. MLK and his crew were the only ones who were strictly pacifist, and even he employed armed guards when Federal guns couldn’t be counted on. There were many-a-riot and most groundbreaking legislation (now falsely credited to MLK) was rushed in response/fear of said riots. Organizations like the Deacons for Defense, the Black Panther Party for Self Defense, Robert F. Williams “Negr@s with Guns”, and our legacies of armed resistance are written out of history and/or vilified by Whites.
Independence is the only survivable strategy for minorities, which is why the world map changes nearly every year. Centralized Nation-State Republics/Democracies are mechanically incapable of upholding the human rights of ethnic minorities.
It got some of you here, if I’m not mistaken:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia
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Hi Abagond,
I love to see you talk about the idea that whiteness is a social location of power, not an identity or culture. This is from an article about the subject:
Noel Ignatiev: “Whiteness is not a culture. There is Irish culture and Italian culture and American culture – the latter, as Albert Murray pointed out, a mixture of the Yankee, the Indian, and the N@gro (with a pinch of ethnic salt); there is youth culture and drug culture and queer culture; but there is no such thing as white culture. Whiteness has nothing to do with culture and everything to do with social position. It is nothing but a reflection of privilege, and exists for no reason other than to defend it. Without the privileges attached to it, the white race would not exist, and the white skin would have no more social significance than big feet.” – A quote from ‘The Point Is Not To Interpret Whiteness But To To Abolish It.’
Whiteness” ≠ culture; cannot be culturally appropriated; it’s not about individual Whites from specific countries.
http://www.gradientlair.com/post/62942791249/whiteness-is-not-a-culture
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Look up White Man March
Please check the origin of St. Patrick day
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How about that heifer Queen Victoria and that beyotch Elizabeth I? How about inbreeding in the royal families of Europe which led to a bunch of loons running countries there? A lot of familial dysfunction which led to historical tragedies and destruction. World War I anyone? King George VI, Kaiser Bill, and Tsar Nicholas II were first cousins.
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Has anyone seen
– accounts by Native Americans of early European colonizers / invaders or subsequent accounts of Anglo-Americans.
– accounts of Europeans involved in the African slave trade from an African perspective?
It would be nice to see a blog post on that. Or does anyone have links to information?
Also, what about the Vietnam War defectors who relocated to Canada? That should be a good documented account of white Americans emigrating from the US. Any other mass emigration of whites from the USA?
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I agree with Veronica that “white privilege” is not about “whiteness”—but about the power of the elite (Hegemon). And they use underprivileged whites as well as POC for their own benefit. That is why talking about white privilege as a racial narrative is unhelpful because it distorts the reality that all peoples are being abused for the benefit of the privileged few….and that this is deliberate and systematic.
So, in some ways…like with the different strategic goals of Booker Washington and Du Bois or with MLK and Malcolm X, The white “supporters” weaken, rather than strengthen, the movement….?…
If the narrative is changed to target the abuse of privilege/the abdication of the obligations that come with privilege…perhaps a conversation can occur where all oppressed human beings (of all colors/ethnicities) can work together for justice. Only by bringing Justice to the forefront, can we also bring out compassion because oppression and injustice wipe out compassion and mercy from the hearts of those who do injustice.
here is a video about white privilege (Tim Wise)
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AMY2Bvxuxc)
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@ Linda
LOL. That is how I feel about doing “nice” posts on Whites.
@ Allen Shaw
Have you also asked CNN to do a “nice” news story on ISIS?
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– The Trail of Tears
– white slaveowner sales of their mixed children
– early European-American inventors who relied on black inventors (like Bell, Edison, and Maxim)
– African-American origins of country music
– “white flight” through the years.
@Allen Shaw
“Anti White” or anti racism, police brutality, slavery, discrimination, bias, etc.?
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White segregation:
Whites are by far the most segregated race. The average neighborhood a white person lives in America is 80%+ white whereas the average neighborhood a black person lives in is 50% black. This has nothing to do with whites being the majority. Most whites live in nearly all-white worlds because they ran from blacks when they tried to integrate with them in the cities. They murdered Native Americans and ghettoized much of the small remaining population to reservations. They excluded the Chinese and other Asians from coming to America and only wanted the cream of the crop to live amongst them after that and ghettoized the remaining ones.
Yes, whites are ~70% of the population; although this statistic is probably a bit fudged to make America look whiter by adding Latinos who consider themselves “white”. But most big cities and metro areas are far from being overwhelmingly white. Yet, you have neighborhoods and places where white people meet up in NYC, SF, DC and Philly that are 90%+ white. This does not happen on accident. Black segregation was the end result of whites saying “there goes the neighborhood” when more than two black families moved onto their street.
Unlike whites, blacks had no qualms about living next door to whites or any other race for that matter. It was racist whites who left because of racism. Blockbusting and redlining scared racist whites to pack up their collective sh!t and run for the hills, quite literally. And once whites left, they took all the jobs, economic prosperity and opportunity with them. History will repeat itself as majority-white suburban areas will become the new minority-majority ghetto areas in the decades to come.
Older city neighborhoods that were once 100% white became 100% black from Detroit to Queens to Baltimore. Tidy shopping strips in formerly white neighborhoods became centers of population control where unemployed men armed with military issue firearms hung out in front of bullet proof glass liquor stores and hustled illegal drugs grown and cultivated thousands of miles away in a foreign nation imported by Uncle Sam to oppress a seething population of angry mostly minority population in the aftermath of the race riots of the 60’s and the nationwide disappointment of the murders of Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X.
But white segregation is not purely about economics. It’s about racism. In America, you have lower income white communities from Buffalo, NY to Hampden in Baltimore have stayed 90%+ white as the result of the white desire for segregation.
White segregation is why whites speak in a patronizing faux “blaccent” using street slang parroted from mainstream Rap records when speaking to blacks and other minorities. White segregation is why you have to check off your ethnic background on job applications. White segregation is why black college graduates are more likely to be unemployed than white high school grads and that a white man who is a convicted felon has the same chance of being hired as a black man with a squeaky clean record. White segregation is why whites believe stereotypes about blacks, Latinos, Native Americans and Asians are actually facts.
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I prefer October as White History Month, but if it’s March in this blog, not an issue to me. What is beginning to bug me, however, is the lack of distinction between Continental Europe and the British Isles. I think that the British Isles should be be considered a separate entity and that whites in diaspora within the Commonwealth and the United States should be divided into those of Continental descent and those descended from the peoples of the British Isles. In my mind, the idea of calling all whites “European” is just about worn out. European, to me, means “of Continental European descent”.
I use Anglo-Celtic as a “catch-all” for all of the people of British Isles descent, other than the Irish. That mean English, Scottish whether Catholic or Protestant, Welsh or Ulster (Orange) Protestant, known in America as Scotch-Irish. My usage indicates a need both for a “catch-all” term for people of British Isles descent and terminology which notes the distinction between the Irish and Great British peoples. Anglo-Celtic and Irish accomplishes that, but what is the catch-all?
I think I’m pretty good at picking up on these kind of ideas. In the mid-1990s I live in a neighborhood in West San Jose (CA) where there was a very large apartment complex occupied by both Indians and various Middle Eastern nationalities. These people all seemed to get along by the way, probably because they all were, unlike men raised as Americans, capable of proper behavior. The slang terms my friends used to describe these people, which I with linguistic ability was not above parsing, brought to my mind the need for a “caqtch-all” term which encompassed all of these people and what they had in common.in the American context. I settled on the term “South Asian” years before it became current.
Any suggestions for what terminology will work? Meanwhile, expect this idea become an issue in the future. I think it is rooted in an actual cultural and phyletic reality, and morever one which is significant to the people it might affect.
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@anon
Actually, learning about which areas we are privileged in and which areas oppressed works as a tool for us to be able to get along and do activism together across differences. You’re supposed to learn about where you stand in terms of gender, class, sexual orientation, citizenship, able-bodiedness, etc. etc. in addition to race.
If the fact that all these social divisions exist to prop up the capitalist economic system is obscured in the media etc. I’d said that that is done on purpose to take the teeth out of the concept of privilege as a tool to build alliances.
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@ Speak Out
Colonization used the “tool” of allocating privilege to “divide and subjugate”—that is, by allocating some privilege to one group over another, they created an “ally” in their oppression/subjugation.
Divisions into “honorary white” or including underprivileged “white” into the (elite) white category serves to divide and disenfranchise communities and hide the real beneficiaries of privilege—the elites.
That is why racial narratives can play into the game created by the white power elites—because they confirm the divisions… But this game can be played by the oppressed as well—just as the white power elites expanded their definition of who is included in their “club” so can the oppressed….The more inclusive and united the oppressed are—the more powerful and effective they will become……
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i grift and grind and use every opportunity to do wrong
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so rare for me to be alone even not by the train tracks i dont think
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@anon
When doing certain kinds of activism (where numbers matter) I find that all that matters is: are you able to see the greater good? and: are you willing to act to support the greater good? If the answers are yes and yes people who also prioritize the greater good will welcome you.
When it comes to working with others who are oppressed in areas where you are privileged, the concept of privilege is helpful.
White people need to acknowledge the difference between white privilege and class privilege. All whites have white privilege but not all whites have class privilege, or male privilege, or straight privilege, etc. etc. Just like people of color have both privileges and oppressions. That doesn’t change whose interests social divisions ultimately serve.
“The more inclusive and united the oppressed are—the more powerful and effective they will become……”
I agree, but it’s hard to be united if you haven’t taken the time to examine your privilege and try to learn how not to oppress others who are different from you. Similarly, the less you see (the more you are blinded by unexamined privilege), the less effective you are at bringing about change.
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@SanFranpsycho415
“But white segregation is not purely about economics. It’s about racism. ”
Right, and even in upper income communities, there is white flight. This is a great topic for white history month that Abagond will hopefully consider.
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@resw77
I’ve seen this gradual white flight where I live in a diverse integrated middle class town in suburban Maryland where the white population has dropped by ten percent since the year 2000 and continues to drop little by little every year.
But white self-segregation in America is very real. Whites tend to only socialize and interact with other whites no matter where they live. According to a recent study, the average social network of white person is 90% white and a full 75% of whites had completely white social networks with no visible minorities.
Segregation of whites from other races is quite jarring where I live in the DC area. The DC area is so segregated that you can cut DC down the center of the city around 13th St NW to separate the greater black DC area in the east in Northeast, Southeast DC and bordering Prince Georges County, Maryland from the greater white DC area to the west in Northwest DC, Chevy Chase, Bethesda, Kensington and Potomac in Montgomery County, MD. Montgomery County has diverse areas like Silver Spring, but these areas are mostly diverse because of the large immigrant populations of Salvadorans, Hondurans, Nigerians and Ethiopians along with a sizable population of middle class blacks and whites who don’t mind integration. African immigrants and their children easily outnumber native blacks descending from slavery in Montgomery County. But the monied areas of Montgomery County like Bethesda, Kensington and Chevy Chase are shockingly white. Even upper middle class blacks who can afford to live in Montgomery County would rather live in an upper middle class black-majority area in PG County because the rampant snobbish and condescending daily microagressions of snooty DC area white people is rather unbearable to anyone who doesn’t belong to this group. But what goes on in DC is just a microcosm of the rampant white segregation that exists in every city and metro area in the country.
Asians are by far the least segregated race in America. Being Asian in America is hard because you will probably be subjected to the same tired racist stereotypes of being “good at math”, tiny penises and eating dogs anywhere you go in America. The average white person in America doesn’t have to deal with people of a different race asking them if they are inbred or abuse meth everywhere they go because of the convenient segregation which gives them the illusion of being raceless and “normal”.
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@ Speak out
The distinction you made between white privilege and class privilege was interesting….
I agree with what you wrote.
Perhaps we also need to acknowledge a discrepancy between our principles and our reality. I think most of us can agree that the principle of equality (all human beings are of equivalent worth) is essential to the fair and just implementation of laws, rules of behavior, conduct of our government …and so forth…However, reality shows privilege is inescapable—because we are not clones of each other—our differences can create advantages and disadvantages. Therefore, in order to harmonize our reality with our principles, we need to have a paradigm that assigns more obligations/responsibilities to those who have advantages and more entitlements/privilege to those who are disadvantaged……a clear example of this is how we understand handicapped parking. This paradigm should be carried over to all of our understanding of the structures of privilege…..?…..
Today, there are some people who feel they are entitled to privilege and perhaps this arrogance makes them less compassionate and less tolerant…?….so, when examining privilege, we also need to acknowledge the bias of “entitlement” that may contribute to blinding people?……
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@SanFranpsycho415
Yes, DC suburbs, particularly areas in eastern Montgomery, and in PG, like Bowie, and in Charles Co. there is white flight from upper middle class and affluent blacks. Other areas like the Atlanta suburbs see this same trend with white flight in eastern suburbs like DeKalb, Gwinnett and Rockdale Cos.
As to Asian Americans, however, most studies I’ve seen suggest they are just as segregated as blacks (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/25/local/la-me-ff-0626-asian-segregation-20130626), even in the DC suburbs and especially around NY, LA and the Bay area. I remember the WSJ article 10 yrs ago about white flight from Asians in SIlicon Valley where they profiled a few schools where white student population had dropped a lot: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB113236377590902105
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Allen @ SanFranpsycho415 @Linda Keres Carter
I thought I was going to stay off of the subject, however your have brought forth a thought that needs to be supported.
Anyone who looks at a population map of the United States and any European nation will notice a separation of Blacks or an absence of Blacks in the lives of most White individuals.
Perhaps with the exception of seeing Blacks in movies, recreation parks and visits to a major metropolitan area in the United States or college many Whites do not come in contact with Blacks. When White in Europe came in contact with Blacks they saw them as an oddity. On one occasion I found myself to be the only Black in a massive theater which the speaker acknowledged by a joke about “instead of the Black market they had Blacks coming over the borders. (Schwarze kommen über die Grenzen) While Living in Germany for three years I never had any German show me any disrespect. The fact that Black servicemen were asked to show their tails during World War I and II proves the lack of contact with Blacks by Germans!
Ethnicity, nationalism and regionalsim have been the White man’s means of separation in this world and if you study the tragedies in Europe during the past 400 years you will witness events that will shock you. Read the story Linda Keres Carter about her ethnic group. Look at her Site!
“Where and when can we find the first signs of “Germanism” in a sense of not simply germanophones tribal kings(of Goths, Vandals, etc) but as the predecessor of the modern German nation, conscious of its similarity in language, customs etc?”
“Before nationalism was ‘invented’, there was regionalism. A citizen of Berlin was a citizen of Berlin before anything else. Nationalism made ‘Germanism’ possible.”
***************And everyone please read the entire content of a person’s blog and do not nit-pick portions. *********
Black individuals cannot change the “paradigm” of individuals who believe that the spoil’s goes to the strong and Blacks cannot change the paradigm alone!
Take a moment to study the tragedies of 1900 – 1999. With the acceptation of the deaths in Africa which have been Black on Black:
“Blache bloody history of Hutu and Tutsi conflict stained the 20th century, from the slaughter of 80,000 to 200,000 Hutus by the Tutsi army in Burundik”,
“Idi Amin Dada Estimates for the number of his opponents who were either killed, tortured, or imprisoned vary from 100,000 to half a million,”
“Mau Mau More than 11,000 Mau Mau died before the state of emergency ended in 1960, or Arabian (Islam) on Blacks (possibly Christian),”
“Tens of thousands of people have died in the conflict, 1.5 million have been displaced and 2.5 million are in dire need of food aid in South Sudan, which declared independence from Sudan in 2011.”
Deaths due to wars and territorial claims, religion, oil grabs, anti-Jewish behavior six million Jews killed in Europe, The separation of Yugoslavia back into the separate ethnic groups, the Russian deaths prior to World War II:
The war in Bosnia and Herzegovina: The most recent research places the number of victims at around 100,000–110,000 killed (civilians and military).[
Soviet historian Roy Medvedev estimated that about 20 million died from starvation, executions, forced collectivization, and life in the labor camps under Stalin’s rule.
It is estimated that 11 million people were killed during the Holocaust. Six million of these were Jews. That is the approximate number of Blacks that were brought to the Americas and surrounding Islands.
http://www.infoplease.com/country/russia.html?pageno=3#ixzz3TcNKKUQL
The massive deaths in China, the starvation of the North Vietnamese people, two World Wars, and The German people have twice in one century attempted to dominate the balance of non-German people (French). (WW I and WW II) The continuing disagreement in between Russians and Ukraine is an example.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/pol-pot.htmhttp: //news.yahoo.com/photos/ukraine-launches-first-major-offensive-against-the-pro-russia-forces-slideshow/ukrainian-pows-cast-shadows-next-human-remains-dig-photo-162658068.html
Do I need to go on?
Blacks need the opportunity to retrain into new jobs which will replace the two previous jobs, labor in the south 1621 – 1960 and the automobile and other industrial companies that closed or moved to foreign nations! Once they are fully employed they will feel empowered and they will not feel victimized to the extent that they do now. It is highly likely that some or many Blacks will be required to once more change locations because remaining in highly concentrated areas of Blacks is going to impede their upward mobility.
The Federal Justice Department needs to continue to apply pressure on the communities in the United States that fail to provide protection to all off its citizens! Make them pay with some serious financial loss. Let us hope that the move by the Justice Department to not only force Ferguson, Mo to pay dearly “financially”, but set an example that will wake up other cities that are currently acting out in such a heinous manner! It would be nice if the proposed legal action that the federal government takes includes the entire St Louis, Mo County and maybe other surrounding areas.
Finally, while it is wonderful to read all of that history about where Black people are and how we are all the same and to get the history lesson about Egypt, Nubia, North Africa Ethiopia, Sudan and the Middle East, also to know that Black people were the first people known to man, if North Africans called themselves Black 3 thousand years ago, it does not help us solve the unemployment problem in the United States today.
Being unemployed or under employed is the real problem and every effort should be made to get the Cities, Counties, States and Federals government to establish priorities in defining jobs, providing training of the unemployed and creating jobs (think infrastructure with a priority of the unemployed instead of those who are currently employed). Perhaps a new Program like the one first proposed by the Obama Administration when he first took office and which the Republican Party sabotaged!
And please understand politics well enough to realize that the Republican Party and some religious leaders have used every means available to undermine this current administration. They have done so even when they should have realized that they are jeopardizing our Nation’s standing in the world!
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@Kiwi
OK, I agree. I should’ve said Latinos are nearly as segregated as blacks. Both on average live in areas that are 45-46% same race, 35% white, etc. Asians, are less segregated. http://www.s4.brown.edu/us2010/Data/Report/report2.pdf
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@Allen Shaw
“And everyone please read the entire content of a person’s blog and do not nit-pick portions.”–‘I will speak for myself and say NO. It is ridiculous and a complete waste of time and space to address every single thing in anyone’s post and even more ridiculous to address things you don’t disagree with.
Furthermore it is a childish request. If your argument stands and is sound you will be able to deal wih it regardless of what a person picks out. If it is not sound then you will try to structure their responses for your advantage.
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@Allen
I’ve read it and re-read it days ago. She means well, but L. K. Carter’s take on Afro-American history is skewed to say the least. Calling us Second-Rate Serbs is quite telling as to how little she know about the history of Black militancy; it didn’t start in the 50s and 60s, it started in the wake of the Haitian Revolution at the latest, and resulted in the 1811 Rebellion of New Orleans.
First: Labor doesn’t determine the movement and location of industrial capital, capitalists/grand bourgeois do. Unless Black workers and the community at large pools its resources collectively and purchases land and industrial capital for ourselves, the Black Recession will not improve.
Second: We will never accomplish full integration. Never. If it were possible, it would have occured decades ago and slavery wouldn’t have lasted for as long as it did. Remember, Blacks and Whites were never closer together than during the Antibellum period, when we’d live under the same roof, eat the same food, and even bear each other’s children. If such intimate witness of Black life in the flesh can’t spontaneously cause them to recognize our humanity and the immorality of slavery and racism, nothing will. The more we try to integrate, the more entangled we become in systems of power that mean us harm.
We are not and will never be Americans. If we were, we’d be considered part of the majority just like the Polish, Irish, Italians, etc., whose populations aren’t much different than ours. Once we accept this, we can strategize and navigate this country more shrewdly and affirm our bonds of history, culture, and community to whatever ends it takes us.
Let me first encourage you to research Reconstruction. While you do so, keep this quote in mind:
– A. Einstein
European centered history teaches White American children how to relate to other White people and how to deal with the world at large. This is done by establishing White people as united agents of history and all others as passive or supporting beings. African centered history establishes African people as agents of history, teaching Black children they have an obligation to Black people and must confront the world at large as a united force. Without an African centered history you create a generation that is isolated from the greater Black community. It’s because of this isolation that we don’t know how to organize in a positive, constructive manner. Disorder becomes inevitable, and we cease to realize the potency of collective effort We need African history so we can value the lives of our Brothers and Sisters and live and work together harmoniously.
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taleoflions
Very well said.
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@anon
“we need to have a paradigm that assigns more obligations/responsibilities to those who have advantages and more entitlements/privilege to those who are disadvantaged……a clear example of this is how we understand handicapped parking. This paradigm should be carried over to all of our understanding of the structures of privilege…..?…..”
I don’t have answers, but this reminds me of how a white Frenchman told Franz Fanon that being Black was like the Frenchman having an amputated leg or something, and he just had to accept his racial “handicap”. Fanon didn’t want to look at it that way. Thoughts your comment brings up: that there is a difference between “privileges” that are caused by nature/God/genetics such as being musically talented and privileges that are caused by systematic, institutionalized forms of oppression. Also that there are deaf people for example who are very proud of being deaf and don’t want to be seen as being disabled, disapprove of “fixing” deaf children with hearing aids, etc.
“Today, there are some people who feel they are entitled to privilege and perhaps this arrogance makes them less compassionate and less tolerant…?….so, when examining privilege, we also need to acknowledge the bias of “entitlement” that may contribute to blinding people?……”
Yup. Aka Republicans. “Entitlement” is a good term to use for this since white people are so big on labeling people as “entitled” to discredit them. Especially when we are standing up for our rights. To hear white Republicans talk, Entitlement is the biggest problem in our society. I think people of color would say it’s Abuse of Power.
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@Allen Shaw
This deserves its own post as you’re clearly demonstrating the depths of our collective (mis)education. We are conditioned/trained to labor for the enrichment of a society that is not and can never be our own. The purpose of education is to train the next generation to solve the problems their people face. There is so much that our community needs that if we directed our energy towards solving our problems there would be zero unemployment. However, because we are trained to solve other people’s problems, we don’t work to improve the living conditions of the Black people around us. I have misgivings towards Black Bourgeois, but we certainly can’t achieve uplift by contributing our time and energy to White owned capital.
If you think being surplus labor for Bourgeois elites would improve our image of self, your analysis is profoundly flawed.
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Allen Shaw @ taleoflions
[ley-ber]
Synonyms
Examples
Word Origin
noun
1.
productive activity, especially for the sake of economic gain. (No. 1Meaning)
2.
the body of persons engaged in such activity, especially those working for wages.
3.
this body of persons considered as a class (distinguished from management and capital ).
4.
physical or mental work, especially of a hard or fatiguing kind; toil.
5.
a job or task done or to be done.
6.
the physical effort and periodic uterine contractions of childbirth.
7.
the interval from the onset of these contractions to childbirth.
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Allen Shaw @ taleoflions
See inside of the ********** ***********
“Calling us Second-Rate Serbs is quite telling as to how little she know about the history of Black militancy; it didn’t start in the 50s and 60s, it started in the wake of the Haitian Revolution at the latest, and resulted in the 1811 Rebellion of New Orleans.”
***** I believe that most thinking people respect Black militancy! I do not believe every non thinking individual in the United States respects any one group or people. ************
taleoflions commented on Welcome to White History Month 2015.
“And everyone please read the entire content of a person’s blog and do not nit-pick portions.
“I’ve read it and re-read it days ago. She means well, but L. K. Carter’s take on Afro-American history is skewed to say the least. Calling us Second-Rate Serbs is quite telling as to how little she know about the history of Black militancy; it didn’t start in the 50s and 60s, it started in the wake of the Haitian Revolution at the latest, and resulted in the 1811 Rebellion of New Orleans.”
***** I believe you turned the article around. My understanding is she implied that they were second rate below Blacks! The stories she told are written by a woman who married a Black man and found that she is now a Black woman in the United States. She has spoken about the problems of another group of individuals that have suffered due to the ethnic cleansing of Yugoslavian people. It is unfortunate that a human is so blind to other individual’s problems that they refuse to even admit that others may have possible suffered as much as they have! Even when the entire ethnic group has nearly been slaughtered. ***********
“Blacks need the opportunity to retrain into new jobs which will replace the two previous jobs, labor in the south 1621 – 1960 and the automobile and other industrial companies that closed or moved to foreign nations! Once they are fully employed they will feel empowered and they will not feel victimized to the extent that they do now. It is highly likely that some or many Blacks will be required to once more change locations because remaining in highly concentrated areas of Blacks is going to impede their upward mobility.
First: Labor doesn’t determine the movement and location of industrial capital, capitalists/grand bourgeois do. Unless Black workers and the community at large pools its resources collectively and purchases land and industrial capital for ourselves, the Black Recession will not improve.
LABOR:
1. productive activity, especially for the sake of economic gain.
2. the body of persons engaged in such activity, especially those working for wages.
3. this body of persons considered as a class (distinguished from management and capital ).
****** You do not mean that all unemployed Blacks are going to be part of management and capital do you?
Maybe just a few of the Blacks can provide basic trained labor (productive activities)? ******
“Second: We will never accomplish full integration. Never. If it were possible, it would have occured decades ago and slavery wouldn’t have lasted for as long as it did. Remember, Blacks and Whites were never closer together than during the Antibellum period, when we’d live under the same roof, eat the same food, and even bear each other’s children. If such intimate witness of Black life in the flesh can’t spontaneously cause them to recognize our humanity and the immorality of slavery and racism, nothing will. The more we try to integrate, the more entangled we become in systems of power that mean us harm.
We are not and will never be Americans. If we were, we’d be considered part of the majority just like the Polish, Irish, Italians, etc., whose populations aren’t much different than ours. Once we accept this, we can strategize and navigate this country more shrewdly and affirm our bonds of history, culture, and community to whatever ends it takes us.”
****** I do not know who “we” is”!
I have been a positive part of the American life and I am aware of volumes of other Blacks who are comfortable with their status. The fact that others are dissatisfied with their situation means they will have to pursue alternate solutions. I cannot comment on the part of your conversation about “we can strategize etc. That is up to those who you refer as “We”. **************
“The Federal Justice Department needs to continue to apply pressure on the communities in the United States that fail to provide protection to all off its citizens! Make them pay with some serious financial loss. Let us hope that the move by the Justice Department to not only force Ferguson, Mo to pay dearly “financially”, but set an example that will wake up other cities that are currently acting out in such a heinous manner! It would be nice if the proposed legal action that the federal government takes includes the entire St Louis, Mo County and maybe other surrounding areas.
Let me first encourage you to research Reconstruction. While you do so, keep this quote in mind:
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
– A. Einstein”
******* Smart people say thing about many things: I believe for the many years that I have lived there has been a constant positive upward movement for Blacks in this Nation! ******, “Blacks and Whites were never closer together than during the Antibellum period, when we’d live under the same roof, eat the same food, and even bear each other’s children” ****** I do not; however recall any time in my reading of history or having any conversation with any Blacks who came from the Southern States that experienced that which you just described. The Federal Justice System has continuously forced change upon the activities of those who would deny others benefits. For those who do not want to wait I am sure they will take appropriate action when the time comes. ***********
“Finally, while it is wonderful to read all of that history about where Black people are and how we are all the same and to get the history lesson about Egypt, Nubia, North Africa Ethiopia, Sudan and the Middle East, also to know that Black people were the first people known to man, if North Africans called themselves Black 3 thousand years ago, it does not help us solve the unemployment problem in the United States today.
.European centered history teaches White American children how to relate to other White people and how to deal with the world at large. This is done by establishing White people as united agents of history and all others as passive or supporting beings. African centered history establishes African people as agents of history, teaching Black children they have an obligation to Black people and must confront the world at large as a united force. Without an African centered history you create a generation that is isolated from the greater Black community. It’s because of this isolation that we don’t know how to organize in a positive, constructive manner. Disorder becomes inevitable, and we cease to realize the potency of collective effort We need African history so we can value the lives of our Brothers and Sisters and live and work together harmoniously”
****** As I attempted to point out on several occasions European history was written mainly with no thought whatsoever for Blacks, because they did not encounter Blacks in their everyday life until World War I. Large numbers of Whites in this Nation to not have any contact with Blacks! And those Blacks who remained in Germany and France enjoyed a wonderful life until Hitler rose to power! Once again, if you are an educator it is fine to study the history of North Africa and the Middle East; however our history is in the Sub Saharan area of Africa. I have “personal pride” and do not need bolstering; however if I were a person looking for pride, I would be looking at the places that my ancestors came from last, not 3 thousand years ago. *****
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Allen Shaw @ sharinalr
Yes you are correct! If you were to read all of one person’s thoughts you would know what you agreed with or did not agree with.
If you do not read what is written than you will have to admit that the person preparing the Blog has a right to believe that you agree with them!
My arguments stand until someone shoots them down! That is why they called it a debate!
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@Speak Out
Yes, you are right. In my view, those privileges that are taken from exploitation of others are “stolen privileges”. During colonialism–people were exploited and oppressed so that the “(white) privileged” could have their luxuries, freedoms—and recently, there was an update about Ferguson on the Intercept—which says that the police, judiciary and city officials exploited and oppressed the black residents to extract funding. (what it does not say—but one might infer—is that this funding went to safeguard the “security” freedoms and paychecks of the (white) privileged residents.)
Perhaps “white flight” isn’t just about land prices—but about Aparthied…?…
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@Solesearch:
I don’t think that was the claim made. The claim was there were some other groups behind the scenes of the “race battle” that were inflaming tensions, not that Black people were inflaming tensions.
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Abagond, if it is not too late , if I make a few suggestions for white history month.
1. Why there are still hate groups in the USA and not the Black Panthers.
2.A comparison of Jim Crow laws and apartheid in South Africa.
3. Medical apartheid.
4.white history from Black American/ African/ Africans in diaspora/Native American/ First Peoples from South America, Australia and New Zealand perspectives.
5. European philosophers who name most of the world’s people, “savages”.
6. A brief history of white interference in the last 500 years.
Apology for typos. Written from my phone.
Thank you.
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@Allen Shaw
“If you do not read what is written than you will have to admit that the person preparing the Blog has a right to believe that you agree with them!”—-People are free to believe what they want, but it is not wise to assume anything. When you assume you make an a** out of U and ME. A person preparing a blog, or post as you stated earlier, really can’t tell who reads what to begin with. If a person did not read it it is not safe in any measure to believe a person agrees or disagrees with you. For example….I did not eat that cake, but I agree that cake is good. How can I agree to the goodness of a cake never eaten? What sense does it make for the baker to believe I think it is good if I never tasted it?
When a person clearly quotes your words and respond then it becomes very clear in a few minutes whether they agree or disagree with you. The guess work is over. If they are not quoting it and disputing it that does not mean they did not read it but that they likely have no qualms with it.
“That is why they called it a debate!”—Yet whining about how someone is suppose to respond is not a debate. It is good ole fashion whining. Whining that is not necessary if your argument stands and is sound. If it is not…… then you will try to structure their responses for your advantage. As I already said.
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@ Speak out
“Yup. Aka Republicans. “Entitlement” is a good term to use for this since white people are so big on labeling people as “entitled” to discredit them. Especially when we are standing up for our rights. To hear white Republicans talk, Entitlement is the biggest problem in our society. I think people of color would say it’s Abuse of Power.”—I agree, but it is not just Republicans. I notice a string of white people quick to yell entitlement towards Blacks and Hispanics. Yet I can’t get any of them to address the entitled white kids that take to social media once a day.
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@Allen Shaw
Many could actually, and thereby collapse two classes into one:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative
http://www.shareable.net/blog/a-decade-after-the-take-inside-argentinas-worker-owned-factories
“We” are those of us who recognize and accept membership in the Black Community, and must work together to improve our condition on this Earth. If you feel differently, you have every right. You got yours.
Random tangent; do you find it curious that Americans from sea to shining sea were willing to enlist on the behalf of some 3000 strangers after 9/11?
My point was that if racism were caused by racial isolation, we ought to expect the Antibellum South to be the least racist time and place on Earth wherein many Whites interacted with Blacks constantly, some even having children borne from a Black womb.
There has been nothing continuous about the Federal Government’s actions. Half a generation after the Civil War, the Fed withdraws its troops and the Nadir of Race Relations begins. In the 70s and 80s, the Fed instigates the Drug Wars and expand the powers of the Police & Surveillance State into the leviathan that is here today. Just last year, the Voting Rights Act is gutted in the Supreme Court. So, the Post 60s era, which in some circles is called the Second Reconstruction, has been thoroughly gutted like the First. Third time’s the charm?
It’s not about pride. It’s about socialization; turning Black individuals into members of a Black/Pan-African community with a history, culture, and destiny in common. Just as European history socializes individuals into becoming German, French, British, American, etc., and members of Western Civilization with a common history, culture, and future. The only difference is that the Middle Passage and Chattel Slavery broke the legacy of African traditions and histories, so there is for us a need for a rebirth and rediscovery not unlike the Italian Renaissance. Pride is just a side effect.
On the matter of Egypt: there is no geological barrier between the Nile River Valley (NRV) and the Sahel, which is the gateway into the rest of Tropical Africa. There’s no reason to believe that there wasn’t a transmission of people and culture between the NRV and the rest of Africa. Even if there wasn’t, we have no less claim to that history than Anglo-Saxons have to Classical Greece. That being said, the history of Africa aside from Egypt is woefully neglected; The Sahel Kingdoms, The Swahili Coast, The African Great Lake Kingdoms, The Niger Delta Kingdoms, and Kongo River Kingdoms are all as fascinating as Egypt and no less worthy of study and appreciation.
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@ Sharinalr
Is that your best shot? You win!
Remember always and stand for it: “my mind is made up don’t confuse me with facts”!
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@ Sharinalr
Entitled is a legal term. Such as: I am entitled to Social Security – I am entitled to a Government retirement payment for my military or civil service!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entitlement
I am unaware of any Black people being entitled to any thing specifically for Blacks!
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Allen Shaw @ taleoflions
This may be long; however it may help!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative
“A cooperative (“coop”) or co-operative (“co-op”) is an autonomous association of people who voluntarily cooperate for their mutual social, economic, and cultural benefit” Wonderful idea for a community; however as a broad national or world system I would judge it to be a hopeless adventure!
Communist: Basically the same as a co-op except on a larger scale: Tried many times in many places around the world. I am unaware of any successful attempts!
Socialism: Same music with a different tune: Same problem big organization ends up with powerful leaders, who create a dictatorship!
The Fellowship of the Believers
Act 2:42 The Holy Bible “they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.”
Above tried and went away or I have not been able to find it!
Jim Jones: Need I say more!
No matter what system is selected the end depends on who is the leader!
taleoflions commented on Welcome to White History Month 2015.
in response to abagond:
On this blog, March is White History Month – or European American Heritage Month, if you prefer. Not all posts will necessarily be about White History, but probably more than in other months. Black History Month in February was a bust! I will do a post on Lee Daniels on Monday but then dust myself […]
@Allen Shaw
You do not mean that all unemployed Blacks are going to be part of management and capital do you?
Maybe just a few of the Blacks can provide basic trained labor (productive activities)? ******
Many could actually and thereby collapse two classes into one: ****** that is what is going on now. **************
*********I will pass on the following. I need to have time to study: ********** http://www.shareable.net/blog/a-decade-after-the-take-inside-argentinas-worker-owned-factories
****** I do not know who “we” is”!
I have been a positive part of the American life and I am aware of volumes of other Blacks who are comfortable with their status. The fact that others are dissatisfied with their situation means they will have to pursue alternate solutions. I cannot comment on the part of your conversation about “we can strategize etc. That is up to those who you refer as “We”. **************
“We” are those of us who recognize and accept membership in the Black Community, and must work together to improve our condition on this Earth. If you feel differently, you have every right. You got yours.
*************** I have to admit that I am aware of such movements all of my life and I have as of this date not seen any prove that anything positive had been produced since the attempts to return to Africa. I believe Marcus Garvey failed to get the troops on board and eventually failing left the country. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/garvey/sfeature/sf_words_pop.html
My understanding is that when the slaves were returned to Africa, they were returned to Liberia where they almost immediately attempted to enslave the African people. Please correct me if I am wrong!
“Americo-Liberian rule (1847–1980)
Between 1847 and 1980, the state of Liberia was dominated by the small minority of black colonists and their offspring, known collectively as Americo-Liberians. The Americo-Liberian minority, many of whom were mulattos or Afro-Americans, were generally richer than the indigenous people of Liberia and exercised overwhelming political power.[7]”
http://www.thenagain.info/WebChron/Africa/Liberia.html
http://www.liberiapastandpresent.org/ColonizationSociety.htm an interesting article *************
Random tangent; do you find it curious that Americans from sea to shining sea were willing to enlist on the behalf of some 3000 strangers after 9/11?
**********I did not agree and I believe a much larger number of individuals did not believe in responding the way that President Bush responded to 9/11. The results of the actions taken have literally bankrupted the United States and are part of the current problem we are having now employing Blacks. Sometimes a view from a higher plateau is required. That war was fought with a sledge hammer or even larger instrument when a tack hammer or even smaller hammer should have been used. Think religious intolerance. ****************
I do not; however recall any time in my reading of history or having any conversation with any Blacks who came from the Southern States that experienced that which you just described. The Federal Justice System has continuously forced change upon the activities of those who would deny others benefits. For those who do not want to wait I am sure they will take appropriate action when the time comes
My point was that if racism were caused by racial isolation, we ought to expect the Antibellum South to be the least racist time and place on Earth wherein many Whites interacted with Blacks constantly, some even having children borne from a Black womb.
****************I hopeI did not say that racism was caused by anything. I don’t believe anyone can define a natural aversion of one person to another it is too deep.
Just for the sake of this conversation let us suppose we blame the economic and social problems of Blacks on a few problems other than racial: (All of these questions could be asked of a White person; however we are talking about Blacks now!) Yes I know Racism is definitely a major part of the problem!
What is the current total wealth of all Blacks in the United States and what is the current total wealth of whatever percent of the Blacks that are going to join in your new paradigm?
Without the financial support of the US Government with Medicaid and other social programs which is paid for by those individuals in the United States that currently have jobs and security and may not join in the enterprise where will the funds come from to assure success?
Are Blacks attending schools to increase their knowledge in some field that they might succeed in? When I was young we had vocational schools to train the individuals that had no skills.
Do Blacks who live in blighted areas currently contribute their time cleaning their area and supporting the community?
Do Blacks limit the birth of children to those that they can afford to keep and do they marry the mothers of the children that they produce? D
Do Black mothers have children with multiple fathers while not married to any one, thus leaving their children confused as to the proposed normal family norms?
Are Black men acting as role models for their children or do many of them produce children with multiple mothers, which make it impossible for them to show the young men that being sexually strong is not the most positive thing that a Black man can be?
Who will employ all of the Black people receiving income for services to the rich when they are no longer living in any area that is close to the rich? Football and Basketball come to mind. That income would be gone.
Do black men bring their paycheck home and contribute it to the household or do they consider it their money and give to the home that which is left after they have provided for their personal comfort?
Do fathers of multiple children and children of multiple mothers have sufficient income to support the children or have they developed a dependency on the “system”?
Did someone actually grab Black people and force drugs into them or were Blacks looking for a moment of pleasure. Would a person eat something they did not like or want? Is the Federal government really responsible for my son taking drugs?
Ask yourself if there are other things that Blacks can do without help that they are doing now. If they were living without the help of the government would they do ‘needed responsibilities’ if they are not doing them now?
Ask yourself if Blacks are not ready to participate in the current environment where are the funds and abilities coming from when they are participating in the new paradigm in the new yet undetermined location that they select for themselves?
Ask yourself who are the new leaders of this new society and how will they assure success without using excess power? Think various African leaders and how they have mistreated their people.
Ask yourself about the labor activities of Blacks. There are thousands if not millions of Black tradesmen currently working in this nation. Most of them that have learned their skills are highly competitive. They are so competitive that I do not have the funds to hire them for my property in the “ghetto”. They are employed by the rich White’s and Black’s that live in the high cost area or are in businesses. What is left is the new coming up and those who have failed to be hired by the rich. The work they perform is many time not up to standard and has to be redone because they did not understand the requirements. They leave patches that you can see, unfinished work or failure to even complete the work on time or at all. It may be that when your paradigm begins you will find that those highly skilled workers are not going to leave the lucrative market to join you.
Ask yourself doesn’t the new Paradigm sound like communism or socialism *****************************
There has been nothing continuous about the Federal Government’s actions. Half a generation after the Civil War, the Fed withdraws its troops and the Nadir of Race Relations begins. In the 70s and 80s, the Fed instigates the Drug Wars and expand the powers of the Police & Surveillance State into the leviathan that is here today. Just last year, the Voting Rights Act is gutted in the Supreme Court. So, the Post 60s era, which in some circles is called the Second Reconstruction, has been thoroughly gutted like the First. Third time’s the charm?
************* The voting record of Blacks is terrible, has been and even when they vote they vote without knowing the facts. Many Black’s vote because of religious beliefs (their Minister tells them who to vote for) which work against them, because they normally side with issues which are detrimental with their own good! Religion and politics is a bad match, yet it is our common strategy to think in religious terms when voting. Black leaders many times do not understand politics; therefore they find themselves working against the individuals who could help them. Pay attention to the “Tea Party” today and watch it self-destruct because they do not understand politics!
A person chooses what they believe, so I will not argue with your statement. I believe that since Abraham Lincoln became President of the United States there has been an ebb and flow of progress in social justice in this nation. Only if a person has failed to study all of the different changes could they not understand that there has been a straight line upward in the living standard of Blacks. There have been positive sides and negative sides but always upward! I have faith that the latest moves by the Federal Justice System will have a powerful effect on the way Blacks are treated. Not immediately!
I personally do not believe that as much damage has occurred because the southern states are not required to do certain things as currently believed. It is up to the citizens in the states to educate themselves, if they choose to vote. Eventually the majority will win. A long as the average individual cannot discuss intelligently the issues there are going to be problems.
Black leaders must find ways to lead programs that explain complex political problems to voters so they can make intelligent decisions.
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. . . Once again, if you are an educator it is fine to study the history of North Africa and the Middle East; however our history is in the Sub Saharan area of Africa. I have “personal pride” and do not need bolstering; however if I were a person looking for pride, I would be looking at the places that my ancestors came from last, not 3 thousand years ago. *****
It’s not about pride. It’s about socialization; turning Black individuals into members of a Black/Pan-African community with a history, culture, and destiny in common. Just as European history socializes individuals into becoming German, French, British, American, etc., and members of Western Civilization with a common history, culture, and future. The only difference is that the Middle Passage and Chattel Slavery broke the legacy of African traditions and histories, so there is for us a need for a rebirth and rediscovery not unlike the Italian Renaissance. Pride is just a side effect.
************** The choice to be Pan American Is individual and I will not attempt to comment. Each person must make up their mind based on that which their life experience teaches. To belong to the Black Muslim should be an honor, to be a Christian also; to belong to any positive social group should be encouraged! ***********
On the matter of Egypt: there is no geological barrier between the Nile River Valley (NRV) and the Sahel, which is the gateway into the rest of Tropical Africa. There’s no reason to believe that there wasn’t a transmission of people and culture between the NRV and the rest of Africa. Even if there wasn’t, we have no less claim to that history than Anglo-Saxons have to Classical Greece. That being said, the history of Africa aside from Egypt is woefully neglected; The Sahel Kingdoms, The Swahili Coast, The African Great Lake Kingdoms, The Niger Delta Kingdoms, and Kongo River Kingdoms are all as fascinating as Egypt and no less worthy of study and appreciation.
****************** This is an “old saw”! Over and over I speak of this! Yes, there is no doubt that “African Blood” is everywhere; however that is not the question!
No matter how much African Blood there is in the Sahel and area north, the majority of Black individuals living in the United States have blood that come from sub Saharan Africa and therefore we should be searching the traditions and socials mores of that area. All of my studies have indicated that people from the north removed Africans from the south and either turned the men into Eunuchs or included them into their society and they disappeared as “only Blacks”. Same with the women who were used as labor or turned into sexual slaves, the children becoming whatever the local individuals were.
If anyone believe that “one single drop” of Black blood makes them black, they should also believe that one single drop of white blood makes them White! We are what we are!
Spending time telling some American Black that he comes from kings when we should remind them that American Blacks are among the strongest physically fit individuals and have survived years of mistreatment is not helpful. Now it is necessary that they become fit for the new future, which does not include hard physical labor in the volume as the past!
Blacks have advanced more in education then other individuals, which means that what is needed is training for those yet untrained. *****************
History is about long periods of time! Speaking of failure after 51 years is not correct thinking!
Thank you for your return comments and I hope some of what I say is of some benefit.
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@Allen Shaw
I am not proposing that we return to Africa. I propose that we (re)build our political connections with those on the continent.
You ought to have read the whole article. Co-ops have a higher survival rate than traditional top-down businesses. Unlike Communism, Socialism, and (neo)Liberalism, capital is owned by workers directly rather than by the state or individual businessmen. It is the centralization of capital control in the hands of the few, whether it’s private business owners or government bureaucrats, that leads to Plutocracy and Dictatorship.
My personal idea is to mimic the tactics and horizontal organization of the Black Panther Party. They’re better known for walking around with firearms, but it’s the breakfast programs, free clinics, and supplementary education programs that were the true heart of the Party. There’s no reason vocational training can’t be implemented. They were able to fund these things with donation and a membership fee, but of course they had to gain the trust and faith of the community. When there is an effective grassroots movement in the Black community and a sense that there’s progress happening here and now right down the street, people tend to act right.
Skip to 35:33
https://soundcloud.com/imixwhatilike/dhoruba-bin-wahad-the-black
Does Walmart not resemble a dictatorship in its own right?
It certainly has its similarities, but I would hope to avoid the top-down vertical organization that makes corruption, power abuse, and dictatorship inevitable. This paradigm would likely lead to the democratization of the work place. There may still be a weakness in the realm of innovation.
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Sorry Abagond, I didn’t know it would embed itself like that.
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@Allen Shaw
I feel sorry for your confusion, but my comment was not meant as a shot or means to win anything. It was nothing more than a simple response to your simple request. If you are making more of it than it is then that is an issue you need to deal with.
““my mind is made up don’t confuse me with facts”!”—You can view things this way if you choose, but you may want to avoid trying to confuse your facts with your opinions. *shrugs*
“Entitled is a legal term. Such as: I am entitled to Social Security – I am entitled to a Government retirement payment for my military or civil service!”—I know what entitled means. So what is your point? Need to prove you know something here? Misread my post? Wanted to add to my comment to Speak out?
“I am unaware of any Black people being entitled to any thing specifically for Blacks!”—Neither am I, so what brings you to this assumption that I do? I stated and let me clearly repeat myself “I notice a string of white people quick to yell entitlement towards Blacks and Hispanics. Yet I can’t get any of them to address the entitled white kids that take to social media once a day.”
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I wonder if anybody remembers or cares about Viola Liuzzo who was killed by the KKK fighting for civil rights in 1965. There were a few whites who died for the cause of civil rights for black Americans.
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@Mary Burrell
Yes. She left behind 5 children in her death. Perhaps abagond should do a post on her.
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Allen Shaw
@taleoflions @sharinalr
Thank you for your comments.
I will take it under advisement that when comments are made and no response is made that the commenter has chosen to not respond and it does not indicate any agreement.
I would have liked to receive some comment concerning some of my remarks, however I will have to wait until someone else comments.
I will wait for new subjects to comment on!
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@Allen Shaw
” I have faith that the latest moves by the Federal Justice System will have a powerful effect on the way Blacks are treated.”
“Ask yourself” if there was really such a thing as the American “federal justice system” would so many Americans have had to fight for justice since the founding of the U.S. and would blacks still have to wait for this “powerful effect” that you speak of to be treated justly?
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Don’t be fooled by this new campaign folks. These campaigns look nice on paper but there is no trickle down effect. They pull these ‘policies’ out of their arse when publicity or propaganda calls for it. As soon as the commotion dies down, it’s back to the same old same old.
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Allen Shaw @ resw77
Yes.
Justice is in the eye of the beholder.
There are City laws, County Laws, State Laws and Federal laws. It takes time to change any law and someone is not going to be happy ever.
Each individual has a choice to believe what they wish. Some people believe in utopia and others believe time is required. Some wrongs will probably never be corrected.
I have seen changes in difference states.
Justice is not a steam roller!
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@Allen Shaw
“Justice is in the eye of the beholder.”
While that obviously explains why many Americans have had to and still have to fight for justice, how can you say “Yes” America has a system of justice, but then say it’s in the eye of the beholder? Is that not contradictory to you?
If America were truly a just society, then why does America’s so-called “justice system” tolerate discrimination, police killing unarmed civilians, etc. etc. etc. ? Are you arguing that discrimination and police brutality are just, simply because someone believes they are just?
“It takes time to change any law… Justice is not a steam roller”
You remind me of Thomas Jefferson, who said that god’s, “justice cannot sleep forever.” He knew in his heart that there was no justice in America, but assumed it would come some day in the future. That’s the reason there’s no justice in the US. Its legal system was founded on injustice. Thus, as Jefferson put it, ” Our children see this, and learn to imitate it.”
https://stuckonthepuzzledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/61917_cartoon_main.jpg?w=625&h=300&crop=1
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resw77, love the cartoon about justice “seeing colour”
here’s a story that illustrates your cartoon to almost a T:
“Garbage man jailed for 30 days because he came to work too EARLY and annoyed residents of wealthy Atlanta suburb”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2984054/Garbage-man-thrown-jail-30-days-getting-work-early-annoying-residents-wealthy-Atlanta-suburb-houses-professional-athletes-rap-star.html#ixzz3TjPlxi8k
Kevin McGill, 48, who works for Waste Management Inc, took a guilty plea deal after violating an ordinance in Sandy Springs, north of Atlanta, that bans collections before 7am.
The worker was also sentenced to six months of probation, when he will pay fees to Sandy Springs
The bin collector didn’t have a lawyer when he was sentenced,
A representative for the company went to the courthouse with McGill, who expected to be ordered to pay up to a $1000 fine, Ms Bandoh said.
However, the Court Chief Solicitor Bill Riley asked for a 30 day sentence for the offense of picking up trash around 5am in the suburb and the judge granted the stiff penalty.
Mr Riley has stood by the request for jail and says that ‘fines don’t seem to work’ and ‘The only thing that seems to stop the activity is actually going to jail.’
The solicitor said that residents of Sandy Springs, which include professional athletes and executives for Delta Air Lines, begin calling 9-1-1 when they hear early garbage men, according to WSPA.
He said it was the right decision to punish McGill, who had only been on the route for three months, rather than his company, which the city has contracted to pick up its residents’ trash.
Marla Prince, a spokesperson for for the company, told DailyMail Online that
she had not heard of a driver going to jail for a similar incident in the firm’s South Atlantic area of Georgia and the Carolinas.
(He now has an attorney) He’s the employee. He’s not the employer. Sentencing him to jail is doing what?’ Ms Bandoh said.
‘This is the most excessive punishment for an ordinance of this nature I’ve ever seen,’ she said.
For anyone who is interested in letting those rich b’s in Sandy Springs, Georgia, know how you feel about this “punishment” of a hard-working black man, who has NO criminal record — just wife and kids
here is their contact info: cityattorney@sandyspringsga.gov
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Allen Shaw at resw77
No I believe that time changes everything and “no one” gets what they want. In my home the term “it’s not fair” was not allowed to be used.
If people do not like what is happening they make every effort to change it. In this nation the way we change things is through the ballot box, using “knowledge and collective effort”. “All laws are done thru the politically active collective effort of people and today I do not see any “collective” effort of Blacks.
Most people think the President is “all powerful” and do not seem to be aware that Presidents do not make laws; but only act thru the powers given to him by congress and the few provisions that established his position in the constitution.
Almost all city, county and state governments today in the United States are controlled by the Republicans and a large portion of those states are controlled by the “Tea Party”. There has been a 6 year period where very few laws have been changed or new laws begun. With the exception of the votes for President Obama the Black participation in voting has been disappointing.
More people must become politically wise and political active belonging to larger groups of other voters that have similar wishes. If there is a large effective Black politically active collective effort, other than the NAACP I am unaware of it. What I read about is individual complaints about the failure of the government to provide relieve yet no real effort which represents a movement.
Much talk on radio and TV and comments in black publications; however no real single powerful voice! I read more “I hate that bum Obama for failing us and hardly any support for even the NAACP which use to represent blacks!
Remember the old story about the sticks! If sticks are lying around loose on the ground each stick can be easily broken; however if all of the sticks are collected up and tied together it becomes extremely difficult to break them!
Most injustice is at the state level yet most Blacks blame President Obama for not changing the laws. Which seems to means many people do not understand the difference between the two.
This Black prison system is too complex for me to understand or discuss: If you wish see the following
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=4988
In the federal government voters allowed the “Tea Party” to block the President’s agenda for the past 6 years, yet they now blame the President for failing to accomplish anything! One Black minister stated “we gave him everything, still the nigger failed” No other President has ever been maligned the way the current President is being treated.
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Allen Shaw @ Linda
I have a thought that I am not sure will work but I would like to place it on the table for consideration.
Why don’t the citizens of the state, city or county get together and file a partition for a change to the constitution to correct these wrongs.
Many states in the south have massive Black populations and could easily get the required signatures need to have a ballot put up for a vote.
These problems are local not federal and the federal government has no way of ever correcting them!
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Allen Shaw @ Abagond
This is a way out suggestion that perhaps everyone will think not feasible; however why not put it out their.
Many southern states have large Black populations and many individuals cannot vote because they have a criminal background, can’t pass a test or some other reason.
Recommend Amendment to the Constitution: Federal and States
Voting being a right guaranteed by the constitution “and the pursuit of Happiness” should not be denied a citizen except for mental incompetence.
The incompetence of an individual should only be established individually by the highest court in the state!
All individuals declared to be incompetent by the state should be provided a livelihood which is equivalent to the care received by the individual receiving the highest Medicaid assistance in the state:
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http://www.nj.com/hunterdon-county-democrat/index.ssf/2015/03/white_history_month_sign_stirs_up_flemington.html
“FLEMINGTON [NJ] — The sign in the deli window says, “CELEBRATE YOUR WHITE HERITAGE IN MARCH, WHITE HISTORY MONTH.”
I thought Abagond was making that up, white history month.
Aparrently not. Me and the wife had been circling around this somewhat tangentially, in that her self esteem has always been fairly high, and she suggested i ‘love the skin i’m in’ …
it’s very unfortunate that the moniker ‘white p*ide’ has been co-opted by the white nationalist movement … so much so that off the bat it implies some ‘twisted and sinister’ ulterior motive to intimate using those two words in succession…
@everyone talking about ‘traditional human rights’ supposedly granted by the founding fathers and the preamble, declaration, and bill of rights, please cf. to the rise to precedence of the ‘separate and certainly not equal’ agencies, courts, etc. that have sprung up in the guise of ‘national security’ or ‘efficiency’, to wit: Family courts, FISA courts, Federal agencies, etc. etc.
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http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/5-ugly-truths-about-race/
“Exclusive: [Black Conservative Pundit] Mychal Massie supports white deli owner in hot water over sign”
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In regards to the garbage collector in Georgia that Linda mentioned i have been seeing this on different blog sites and this is just unbelievable. The rich white man’s sleep is disturbed and the poor black man goes to jail for doing his job. The is one glaring example of “white privilege.”
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@sharinalr
I think Republicans are the ones whose beliefs most exemplify values directly shaped by the rich white men who control the world and have organized every institution to serve their interests. I’m not sure if I’m putting it well since I’m tired, but that’s why I specify Republicans. I know white Republican is almost redundant since the Republican party is almost completely the party of white people. And I know this kind of thinking appeals to white people in general as “dog whistle politics”.
I was on a mock jury once sitting next to a young probably lower middle class white guy who was going on about how if you don’t have health care it’s your own fault, and I wanted to shake him and ask if he’s ever thought about whose interests benefit from those kinds of beliefs.
But yeah, it could be that the concept of entitlement is a white culture thing. Good topic for white history month.
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@Linda
Thanks for that article. Who knows if the outcome would’ve been different if he were white? But my educated guess that it would’ve been different is based on the fact that blacks get stiffer sentences for the same crimes in America.
@Allen Shaw
“In this nation the way we change things is through the ballot box”
This nation has had a ballot box for how many years now, 240? The problem is that when the majority is unjust, as it has always been, the ballot box is completely useless for bringing about justice. This is especially the case since Jim Crow at the ballot box is alive and well:
http://www.npr.org/2012/01/16/145175694/legal-scholar-jim-crow-still-exists-in-america
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/11/3/jim_crow_returns_interstate_crosscheck_program
So you’re absolutely wrong. Most justice has come not from voting, but from revolution, executive orders and judicial decisions, certainly not from the majority of Americans.
“All laws are done thru the politically active collective effort of people and today I do not see any ‘collective’ effort of Blacks”
Whether or not you see something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. And despite your blindness, blacks in America have long made a collective effort at seeking justice and equal rights. The majority, however, has long made a collective effort to deny the minority of such justice and rights. Surely you’ve seen this throughout history.
“yet most Blacks blame President Obama for not changing the laws.”
SMH. How do you know that most blacks blame Obama for not changing laws? Obama has an 86% approval rating among blacks.
And not sure what your point is for mentioning either Obama or the BJS stats you linked. Please explain.
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Here’s a little White history that’s also Black History. My friend, Chuck Fager, just got back from Selma, the clip below is of a TV interview in Raleigh. He was there 50 years ago as an SCLC go-fer. There’s a pix of him in the same cell he shared with Dr. King and Rev. Abernathy. (The sheriff thought he must be important since he was White so he put him in same cell. He was a nobody.)
http://abc11.com/news/local-activist-back-in-selma-on-50th-anniversary-of-bloody-sunday/548505/
He’s got a number of posts about Selma now and then, Confederate neo-secessionists, a recent revelation that the Underground Railroad was mainly run by Black freemen, with a few too many White showboats taking credit. He’s got posts about Quaker abolitionists. He wrote what’s considered one of the best histories on Selma, ’65. He told me how he was researching the day he spent one of four guys surrounding King to obstruct snipers, only to find out there really was a sniper up on a roof that day. Very prolific guy. Quite a life.
http://afriendlyletter.com/
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Oh, you’ll also find a recent posts about the Chapel Hill murders. He lives right there and spent some obsessed days following it.
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“Noam Chomsky on the Roots of American Racism”
“The national poet, Walt Whitman, captured the general understanding when he wrote that “The nigger, like the Injun, will be eliminated; it is the law of the races, history… A superior grade of rats come and then all the minor rats are cleared out.” It wasn’t until the 1960s that the scale of the atrocities and their character began to enter even scholarship, and to some extent popular consciousness, though there is a long way to go.
That’s only a bare beginning of the shocking record of the Anglosphere and its settler-colonial version of imperialism, a form of imperialism that leads quite naturally to the “utter extirpation” of the indigenous population — and to “intentional ignorance” on the part of beneficiaries of the crimes.”
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I am beginning to wonder how old the individuals that are commenting are.
Were you sheltered all of your life.
There has been no change in the relationship of people in this nation since the beginning.
My son In Law reminded me of his father’s words: “There are some good White people and there are some bad White people and there are some good Black people and some bad Black people”
All of the conversation going on this site is history – why does any reasonable individual care what color Alexander’s heir was. What they need to understand was he carried a large army across a lot of territory and become known in history as a successful leader who died young.
He was a bad ass!!!!!!!!!
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“This group wants to banish Andrew Jackson from the $20 bill”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/03/03/this-group-wants-to-banish-andrew-jackson-from-the-20-and-replace-him-with-a-woman/?tid=sm_tw
“Slate pitched the idea of doing away with the seventh U.S. president’s face on the $20 bill last year, writing: “Andrew Jackson engineered a genocide. He shouldn’t be on our currency.””
“Organizers are asking visitors to vote for one of 15 women they’ve selected as possible candidates to replace Jackson in a survey that is also doubling as a petition. The group hopes to collect enough signatures – about 100,000 – to justify sending a petition to the White House on the issue, asking the president to recommend the change to the Treasury.”
“The group envisions the campaign lasting through March, which is Women’s History Month.”
“Although the new campaign still seems a longshot, a similar petition also prompted Britain to announce in 2013 that it would put Jane Austen on the 10-pound note.”
Among the women to vote for are Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, and Rosa Parks. I for one would love to see Andrew Jackson off my 20s and one of the above on.
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” 9 Things America Needs to Understand About Native Values”
Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2014/07/07/9-things-mainstream-america-needs-understand-155670?page=0%2C0
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Sounds good – since there is no written record of the times discussed it is questionable.
People are people and they are the same all over the world.
Some “very very” good and some “very very” bad and just as many in-between
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Allen Shaw @ resw77
YADA, YADA, YADA; Piffle; prittle-prattle
“So you’re absolutely wrong. Most justice has come not from voting, but from revolution, executive orders and judicial decisions, certainly not from the majority of Americans”
Please provide me with history of revolutions that have brought justice to the poor and lower educated people!
“Whether or not you see something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. And despite your blindness, blacks in America have long made a collective effort at seeking justice and equal rights. The majority, however, has long made a collective effort to deny the minority of such justice and rights. Surely you’ve seen this throughout history”.
Collective action can mean the efforts of more than one as few as two (2); however the collective action I am referring to means and organization at least as large as the NAACP or the Civil rights movement. Can you name me such a Black group that is active today? I believe that negative does not need help!
The Nation of Islam’s stated goals are to improve the spiritual, mental, social, and economic condition of African Americans in the United States and all of humanity. This organization is equivalent to a church group; however it is considered a “hate group” by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
“SMH. How do you know that most blacks blame Obama for not changing laws? Obama has an 86% approval rating among blacks.”
I read about it and I see it; however actually I don’t know so let us forget it! My bad!
Approval rating has dropped 8 percent in the overall black population in 6 years.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/180176/blacks-approval-president-obama-remains-high.aspx
https://cloud.real.com/s/tUAwjV?lang=en&email=share
https://cloud.real.com/s/IVAr4V?lang=en&email=share 9 minutes NAACP Do for Your Self
Forgive me!!!!!!!!!!! Relax you can only learn when you take time to try to understand!
“President Obama’s high-mileage, new stupid war” is a video of a song about peace President Obama’s name is not mentioned in the entire recording.
“And not sure what your point is for mentioning either Obama or the BJS stats you linked. Please explain”
It has to do with justice! If I included the correct reference it contains the statistics of who is in jails and who controls them the study will show that federal prisoners are a small part of the prison population. Most prisons are city, county and state controlled and therefore the federal government has no control over them. The federal government has already set into motion a review of the federal prison system. Therefore no revolution was needed for Attorney General Holder to order the review.
I call that justice! “If you do not want to do the time do not do the crime!!”
You want change use the laws that are available to you. Understand the law. Research, hires lawyers, encourages Black lawyers to do pro bono work researching laws.
You want to live a satisfactory life, not rich just comfortable, get off your rear and get trained to do something that pays a living wage. I would say work hard but some people do not thing working hard is a requirement.
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@Allen Shaw
“I am beginning to wonder how old the individuals that are commenting are.”
No need wondering your age because it’s clear you naively assume that with age comes wisdom. But often, you can’t teach an old dog new tricks, such as changing your archaic thinking that Alexander was so great for being a colonial invader. There’s nothing noble in using deadly force to steal other people’s land and subjugate people, as you’ve been taught to believe.
“Please provide me with history of revolutions that have brought justice to the poor and lower educated people!”
You tell us. Weren’t you alive during the French and Haitian Revolutions? And no one said anything about bringing “justice to the poor and lower educated people!” I simply said “justice,” which is universal and clearly a difficult concept for you to comprehend.
“It has to do with justice…Therefore no revolution was needed for Attorney General Holder to order the review.”
Neither was the ballot box. It was a decision made by the Department of JUSTICE, and although you can’t seem to recall, I said, “Most justice has come not from voting, but from revolution, executive orders AND JUDICIAL DECISIONS, certainly not from the majority of Americans.”
“get off your rear and get trained to do something that pays a living wage”
What does that have to do with justice in America via the ballot box? Nothing.
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What is past is past.
I did not say Alexander was great I said he was a “bad ass”
The balance of your comments are based on words that you choose to have different meaning then I do. It does not make you anything only I can be the dumb stupid person that realizes that nothing can be done about the past and with all of today’s problems to solve believe we should be concentrating on current problems rather than what race someone was 2 or 3 thousand years ago!
I understand a combative person! So I won’t even offer that none of your examples brought any justice to anyone just a change in the way thing were run!
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@Allen Shaw
“What is past is past.”
And much of what has been done in past has direct effects on the present.
“only I can be the dumb stupid person that realizes that nothing can be done about the past ”
This is a thread on white history month, so don’t be surprised to hear one discussing the past. If you don’t like it, go elsewhere.
White history is clearly important to many white people, or else they wouldn’t write history books, build museums of history, collect historical artefacts and souvenirs, conduct reenactments, run the History Channel 1 and 2 or make movies and documentaries about historical events, or chant slogans like “never forget.”
And no, I didn’t suggest that one could change the past, but clearly one can change one’s views about historical events and their effects on the present.
“we should be concentrating on current problems rather than what race someone was 2 or 3 thousand years ago”
You’re the main one on this particular thread who is talking about what race someone was 2 or 3 thousand years ago. Who else is?
“So I won’t even offer that none of your examples brought any justice to anyone just a change in the way thing were run”
Perhaps to you, the Haitian Revolution that effectively ended forced slavery and set the majority free did not constitute bringing justice to anyone, but in my opinion, it did.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Revolution
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Allen Shaw, what’s the point of this long quotation from Wikipedia? What are you trying to prove or disprove? The last sentence you quote is a lie, France didn’t continue the slave system in Guadeloupe but restored it in 1802 around the same time they tried to do the same thing in St-Domingue. The place is now called Haiti because the free people of St-Domingue put paid to the French scheme to re-enslave them as they did to the Guadeloupeans. In your opinion, should they have meekly accepted the French yoke? Boyer was a swine who initially was part of the very force sent to re-enslave the people and a member of the cabal that assassinated Dessalines. He represented the Haitian counter-revolution, not the revolution. The 14 ship fleet that was used as the excuse to capitulate to French blackmail wasn’t even half the forces arrayed against Toussaint Louverture in 1802. http://www.ijnhonline.org/2010/12/01/the-ugly-duckling-the-french-navy-and-the-saint-domingue-expedition1801-1803/
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“The end of the Haitian Revolution in 1804 marked the end of colonialism on the island. However, the social conflict that was cultivated under slavery continued to affect the population for years to come. The revolution left in place the affranchi élite which continued to rule Haiti, while the formidable Haitian army kept them in power.”
The above statement is what i wanted to sho. Sorry about the mass of data. The people of Haiti are still suffering from poverty left over from that new form of “freedom”.
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@ Allen Shaw
I deleted your long comment that you posted by mistake.
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In other words they should have returned to slavery and according to you they would now be happy and prosperous? It’s obvious to me that your knowledge of Haitian history is superficial. Based on your comment, the present state of Haiti was foreordained because whites weren’t in charge? You make a fetish of the “plantation system” because of its wealth generating power, what you leave out is the human toll it took to create that wealth. Why don’t you tell us how many slaves died each year doing the work called for? while you’re at it tell us why free men would subject themselves to such torture? The affranchi élite didn’t continue to rule as they did prior to the revolution for the simple fact that despite the fact that they owned 25% of the wealth of St-Domingue, they had no rights a white man was obliged to respect. They were routinely discriminated against. The Haitian revolution turned them into full citizens. By the way, the affranchis were both blacks and mulattoes. Haiti, after Cuba,was the second richest country in the Caribbean in the 19th century. The Haitian peasant was a free man living on land he occupied, not somebody’s slave or tenant. That’s what the Haitian revolution did for the people of Haiti.
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Thanks, gro jo.
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First I want to thank you for the information you included in your post, I have included it in my collection of data concerning that period of time and having only perused it will use it for reference in the future. While it did not really have anything to do with my original question it was proof once again that nature and stupidity many times play an important role in matters at hand.
No, my friend I have not said and will not say that the people living in any down trodden way should be satisfied with their conditions. I ask you to name me one nation that had gained from revolution. Since Haiti today and has since the revolution remained one of the poorest nations on earth I question the wisdom of that revolution. Compare the difference between the two nations on the island.
So, let us not beat a dead horse! You believe what you believe and I will continue to keep my mind open to truth and knowledge and not stubbornly step in a quagmire because I believe someone walked safely thru it.
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@Allen Shaw
The Domincan Republic isn’t all sunshine and rainbows:
http://uhurunews.com/story?resource_name=haitian-lynched-in-the-dominican-republic
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@Allen Shaw
Depends on how you define justice.
Revolutions tend to be more successful when they are lead by an anti-authoritarian party of sorts. Nevertheless, Cuba has a very impressive education program in spite of its poverty and dictatorship:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Cuba
There’s also Cape Verde, which from what I’ve gleaned seems pretty fantastic and rapidly improving:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Verde_Islands
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@ Allen Shaw
Did I miss something? They were poor as slaves too. The revolution freed them from slavery AND freed them from being worked to death in a matter of years. How is that not a win? How do you question the wisdom of that?
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@abagond
Not to mention that Haiti’s poverty is very much imposed upon by France and the U.S.
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I yield to those individuals who are living in this nation, probable doing very well comparing slavery to poverty!
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As I stated above, Haiti was the second richest nation of the Caribbean in the 19th century. The people of Haiti Black, Mulatto and every other race were all citizens regardless of color. The Haitian peasant generated enough wealth to keep his family above starvation and enough of a surplus was created to allow the ruling class to live like kings. Revolutions don’t occur to justify themselves to your peculiar standards. The current state of Haiti also has something to do with the US invasion that occurred in 1915. Haitians were taxed to support said occupation. True, roads, hospitals and schools were built but businesses were also destroyed by the occupier and the over concentration of political and economic life around Port-Au-Prince is also due to the needs of the Yankee invader. The claim that post independence Haiti was miserable should answer the following question: Where did the Haitians find the money to build palaces and the largest fort in the Americas, http://thetouristparadox.tumblr.com/post/3437620041, as well as public education on the lancasterian model with the help of Thomas Clarkson and Prince Saunders, http://books.google.com/books/about/Henry_Christophe_Thomas_Clarkson.html?id=iPHJxBCjqUgC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Saunders, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Lancaster. King Henri Christophe was able to amass a hoard estimated at between $40-$60 million before he committed suicide. The man was even contemplating buying what is now the Dominican Republic from Spain! A Haitian named Sylla Laraque was so wealthy that he gained the reputation as the 3rd richest man of France. He financed Louis Bleriot’s 1909 crossing of the English Channel and built this vacation spa in France: https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422579428&v=LRTCMhpgO8I&x-yt-cl=85114404#t=30 which is still thriving to this day as this link shows. http://www.saint-lunaire.com/francais/visiter-saint-lunaire/patrimoine.html. There are perfectly good explanations for Haiti’s present condition, none of which can be blamed on the Haitian Revolution. The accusation should be leveled at the counter-revolution that started with the assassination of Dessalines in 1806 and culminated with the shameful capitulation to French blackmail in 1825.
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@ Allen Shaw
Do you also question the wisdom of the American Civil War? Most Black Americans lived in poverty till the 1960s and many still do. Would it be better if Blacks had remained slaves?
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@ Taleoflions
I notice that Allen Shaw never touches on that point.
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What part of I Yield do you not understand!
You believe and I believe two separate thinking processes.
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“A Woman’s Place Is on the $20”
“Amazing this idea hasn’t come up sooner. “Australians have a man on one side of each note and a woman on the other,” said Matthew Wittmann of the American Numismatic Society. “It’s pretty remarkable we can’t find a woman for any denomination.”
Among the bills that are circulating now, the featured faces are all founding fathers (Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton, Franklin) plus Jackson, Lincoln and Ulysses Grant, who graces the $50 bill.
The nominees for replacements were chosen from a list of 100 women by jurists who were asked to consider both achievement and obstacles overcome.
Gloria Steinem picked Sojourner Truth, the escaped slave turned abolitionist orator. “I’m not sure Sojourner Truth would want to be on the $20 bill, but I would like her to be better known — by any means necessary,” she said.
Steinem wanted a Native American, or in her words, “a woman who was here before all those bonkers, hierarchical, monotheistic, Europeans arrived.”
The Native American issue looms large when it comes to replacing Jackson, who sent the Cherokee Nation on the Trail of Tears. Lately, Stone said, she and Howard have decided that when they announce their three top vote-getters and ask people to pick a winner, they’re going to add a fourth option: Wilma Mankiller, the first female chief of the Cherokee Nation. (“People felt it would be poetic justice.”)”
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“Louise Erdrich on Wilma Mankiller, the First Female Cherokee Chief”
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/03/18/putting-a-woman-on-the-20-bill/louise-erdrich-on-wilma-mankiller-the-first-female-cherokee-chief
“Let’s replace Andrew Jackson — who defied the Supreme Court and brutally evicted the long-farming Cherokee onto the Trail of Tears — with Wilma Mankiller, first woman elected principal chief of the Cherokee Nation. A descendant of the survivors of that cruel march where some 4,000 peaceful people died, Wilma Mankiller led her people with forceful calm. She fiercely advocated to improve health care, government and education. She was a native rights activist, and a person of kind dignity who took pride in keeping alive Cherokee traditions.
In America, the most widely recognized Native American women are the ones who contribute to the national mythos (in story) by assisting white men in the business of taking Indian land — Pocahontas and Sacagawea. Wilma Mankiller was another kind of woman entirely, and she was a hero. It would be poetically just for her to replace Jackson and I love the thought of her soft and majestic face on money. Not to mention the satisfying contrast of her ferocious name.”
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“Gloria Steinem: Put Sojourner Truth on the $20 Bill”
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/03/18/putting-a-woman-on-the-20-bill/gloria-steinem-put-sojourner-truth-on-the-20-bill
“I’m not sure Sojourner Truth would want to be on the $20 bill, but I would like her to be better known — by any means necessary.
Born into slavery, she still was free in her mind and she worked for universal freedom. Torn from home, children and the man she loved, she still honored the bonds of love, loyalty and friendship with others. Long after she finally had her own freedom and a secure home, she traveled to speak and organize for universal adult suffrage, regardless of sex or race.
By opposing cynical — and successful — efforts to divide a suffrage movement that had been a radical and potentially majority alliance, she taught us that racism and sexism can only be uprooted together.
In this time of racist violence, including in our own streets, and sexist violence that has created a world in which there are now more males than females, we need that radical alliance. Her strength and her vision can inspire us right now.”
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/28/1325409/-St-Paul-police-violently-arrest-a-black-man-for-sitting-on-bench-waiting-for-his-children-VIDEO?detail=email
Now this is something you can jump right on!
Ask your followers to assist this man in seeking legal justice for this violation of his rights.
Maybe he needs assistance with “real money”!
You have a chance to punish the bank, the police and the police chief, also the owner of the facility. All of them and each one individual should have funds removed from them, large amount of funds.
Start you revolution here using the law as your weapon.
Do this to every one who violates the rights of a citizen.
Remember “squawking” on this site does nothing – take action in the courts!
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P.S. The thing that the man with the money loves more than anything is “M O N E Y”!
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P. S. We Are Not Helpless!
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Allen Shaw, aside from telling others what they ought to do why don’t you tell us what you’ve done in this case. By the way, I’m still waiting to hear you say something on west African culture, since they are the only ones you feel we have a right to lay claim to. Here are some images from these cultures:
http://www.authenticafricanbronzesandceramics.com/
http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/2012/feb/20/akan-weights-land-in-memphis/ what can you say about these cultures? Do you have an opinion on the claim that Abu Bakr II sent a fleet to the Americas? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_II.
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gro jo,
great article about the Akans.
and I just wanted to put it out there for those people who aren’t familiar with west or north African history,
that when this article says “Islamic Traders” — these were not the so called “white Arabs” of today that is always shown from the middle East
it’s important to understand that the “Islamic Traders” of those times in Africa were the Muslims that came from the Sahel – which means out of the Mali and Songhai empire
these were the large vast empires ruled by black African Muslims such Abu Bakr II and Mansa Musa
http://www.blackpast.org/gah/songhai-empire-ca-1375-1591
the same black African “Islamic Traders” who controlled the trans-Saharan trade routes between northern and western Africa until the end of 1500s
Picture of Muhammad Toure aka “Askia the Great” (powerful emperor of Songhai)
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Nice post Linda, I wonder what our self-styled ‘expert’ on West African history and culture has to say on the university of Sankore, and its eminent scholars such as Ahmad Baba and Mohammed Bagayogo? http://muslimheritage.com/article/university-sankore-timbuktu
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@Allen Shaw
We don’t all live in St. Paul
We don’t have to punish the police, we have to disband them.
It’s the law and its faithful agents that are denying our human rights. How do you wield a weapon that’s firmly within the grasp of your enemy? If we have to struggle against the laws and lawmen of America through Slavery, Jim Crow, and to this very day what does that tell us about the nature of American law?
There’s a lot more than squawking going on here. It’s people trying to make sense of the “hows” and “whys”, not simply the “whats”. Sure, Sharpton could go on down to St. Paul, shake hands, give a speech, grab media attention, and maybe win in the courts and make everyone feel good about his victory. Meanwhile, Black men get beat up, thrown around, and gunned down like business as usual from coast to coast. Then it’s the whole Sharpton song and dance again, like a glorified game of Whack a’Mole.
The emotional impulse to punish is raw and it feels good when it’s satisfied, but punishing isn’t enough and never has been. We need to understand why these things happen so we can work to ensure it never happens again. That understanding can only happen behind the scenes in forums like this where we share and challenge knowledge, ideas, and opinions.
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“What lawyers & judges won’t tell you about juries”
http://www.prorev.com/juries.htm
“The right of juries to judge both the law and the facts — to nullify the law if it chose — became part of British constitutional law.
“It ultimately became part of American constitutional law as well, but you’d never know it listening to jury instructions today almost anywhere in the country. With only a few exceptions, juries are explicitly or implicitly told to worry only about the facts and let the judge decide the law. The right of jury nullification has become one of the legal system’s best kept secrets.”
“Merely raising the issue of nullification can make prosecutors nervous, for it takes only one person aware of the right in order to hang a jury…Despite the refusal of courts to inform juries of their right to nullify, American juries have periodically exercised it anyway. In recent years, some peace protesters have been acquitted despite strong evidence that they violated the law. In the 19th century northern juries would refuse to convict under the fugitive slave laws. And in 1735 journalist Peter Zenger, accused of seditious libel, was acquitted by a jury that ignored the court’s instructions on the law.”
“The history of jury nullification suggests there is little to fear. In those states where the concept is respected to some degree it has had minimal effect on the overall functioning of the law. Nullification has, on the other hand, played a little noted but significant role in the advance of religious and press freedom, the abolition of slavery and the building of a labor movement.”
“If a juror feels that the statute involved in any criminal offence is unfair, or that it infringes upon the defendant’s natural god-given unalienable or constitutional rights, then it is his duty to affirm that the offending statute is really no law at all and that the violation of it is no crime at all, for no one is bound to obey an unjust law.” — Chief Justice Harlan F. Stone”
“When a jury acquits a defendant even though he or she clearly appears to be guilty, the acquittal conveys significant information about community attitudes and provides a guideline for future prosecutorial discretion…”
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Allen Shaw @
Taleoflions
We Are Not Helpless!
Stop “squawking” start Suing! See the results of suing in the above site!
“Nothing tried, nothing gained”!
I am not going to attempt to engage in a conversation about Africa. If you want to know start reading about Sub Saharan Africa the same way I did 35 years ago and continue today.
Unclutter your brain of Blonde headed North African of thousands of years ago for the next six months and attempt to become familiar your true ancestors.
Don’t expect me to read your lessons.
Keep remembering no one is a blind as a person who refuses to see, no one is a deaf as a person who will not hear and no one unlearned as one who refuses to learn!
While it is true that you have all of the right in the world to spend your time on North East Africa you might give a thought that the time span between the time the first individual was born in Northeast Africa and now could be as much as 5 million years. It is my understanding that the DNA does not go back far enough in Sub Saharan blood to identify North African blood. (Just a rumor – check it out)!
Black people need closer ancestors to be proud of then that. I have said many times I am extremely proud of my ancestors, even though I cannot trace them back to Africa, because I know that those who arrived here were strong survivors who adapted to this country and survived.
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@Allen Shaw
Let’s be honest here….you don’t know anything about Africa which is why you are doing this dancing game. Your knowledge is very limited at best and in case you have not noticed these guys are likely testing you to see how much it is you actually do know without them having to school you.
I suspect you are trying to do a rush brush up of Africa to appear more knowledgeable on it, but those in here more knowing will catch you on that in a heartbeat.
As to your constant advocation of people taking action, you need to worry less about what others do (which is likely more than you) and focus more on what you are doing (which does not seem like much).
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Allen Shaw
@sharinalr
You are so correct! I do not know anything; however instead of you wasting your time trying to get under my skin you could better spend your time finding out something about sub Saharan Africa.
You see it really does not make a bit of difference what I know or do, it is what Black’s are going to do!
Did you for instance read about the large court case that a Black person won that I provided you or were you too busy trying to think of someway to insult me!
Try to remember you are not important enough to be assigning duties to others!
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“Gro Jo @ Nice post Linda, I wonder what our self-styled ‘expert’ on West African history and culture has to say on the university of Sankore”
Linda says,
apparently, our self-styled “expert” doesn’t know sh’t since he thinks the Mali and Songhai Sahel traders were living in the Northeast and that the original Berbers of north and west Africa were “blonde” !?!
see, this is what happens when supposed black people drink, breathe, and wallow in the white American/European bathwater — they absorb the half-truths like sponges.
the ignorance is blinding.
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Linda, you’ve got to admire the guy’s tenacity, he even managed not to see the image of Muhammad Toure a/k/a “Askia the Great” you included with your comment! Maybe our ‘expert’ is colorblind when it comes to civilization? Anything above the village level is invariably white! You might find this video of interest.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh3lU3QOc9c)
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@Allen Shaw
Spending a few minutes each day watching you ramble on about the nothing you know is never a waste of time. It is always nice to be reminded of the lengths of ignorance in the world, so you can clearly know how to address it. As to knowledge on Africa, watching those in here bring in real knowledge is a lead on in deed. You should pay attention.
I see a bit of reading comprehension in your posT. I never said it mattered what you do, because it is clear as day you do nothing you preach of, but seem to hypocritically want to tell others what to do. Yet the odd thing is you don’t have a clue what they do and base this on nothing more that your need to grasp for straws.
No, I did not read your article. Besides I didn’t go to school to get a degree in criminal justice to get legal advice from and article and a fool.
“Try to remember you are not important enough to be assigning duties to others!”—I love how you make little sentences that apply you as you try to apply them to others. The art of projection. Touching.
If it is insulting to ask you to be honest then you have proven to be a very dishonest person.
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@Allen West
That case wasn’t large or groundbreaking at all. The Klan is a glorified punchbag that the Justice System uses to obscure its own racism. The reason I’m not interested in seeking justice in US courts is because it’s near impossible to indite officer “friendly”:
http://m.thenation.com/article/190937-why-its-impossible-indict-cop
We need a political movement that will groom its own electoral candidates for local offices. We need to appeal to the UN and America’s rivals on the grounds of human rights violations. We need to end the corporate control of utilities and real estate of our neighborhoods and transfer ownership directly to the people and laborers. We need to decentralize or disband police and provide security ourselves for ourselves. What we don’t need is 60’s era Civil Rights tactics which did nothing more than protect me from being called ni88er in public and produce a Civil Rights Act that gets weaker and weaker due to the actions of the Supreme Court itself. Your time is past, and your tactics are outdated. The Man defeated your generation, but you still think you won.
American Law is our enemy and will never serve to protect us. If there is anything to be learned from Black History it is that.
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@Allen Shaw
“Stop “squawking” start Suing! See the results of suing in the above site!”
Right, that’s justice. A $7M settlement, and all that’s received is a $225k property? No wonder they didn’t appeal. Does anyone really believe UKA had no more assets than its headquarters?
If this lawsuit were not against the klan, a federally designated terrorist organisation, but against a racist police officer with no known terrorist ties, would the result have been the same? And, many klansmen don’t dress up as ghosts anymore. They wear badges, robes and 3-pc suits like other attorneys. And if not, they can usually convince a jury of their peers that they felt threatened and had reason to pull the trigger.
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@Taleoflions
Well said.
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We need a political movement that will groom its own electoral candidates for local offices. We need to appeal to the UN and America’s rivals on the grounds of human rights violations. We need to end the corporate control of utilities and real estate of our neighborhoods and transfer ownership directly to the people and laborers. We need to decentralize or disband police and provide security ourselves for ourselves.
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American Law is our enemy and will never serve to protect us.
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TOL
I like this! Are you opening up a new Black Panther Party national/regional office or are you running for office?
Grassroots!!
Either way, you got my vote.
The problem is I’ve never seen voting change anything of real significance. It’s just like American law. An enemy, a charade, a pacifier.
So if the laws are our enemy (since these laws usually serves those who make them), what’s the solution?
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“The day the Klan messed with the wrong people”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/01/17/826081/-The-day-the-Klan-messed-with-the-wrong-people?detail=email#
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@ Speak Out
Great link.
Those racist terrorist prickkks always become cowards whenever the playing field is even and not tilted in their favor!
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@ Just Me
Yup. In Charles Evers’ book about him and his brother Medgar, he talks about how his father stood up to the Klan and later he and Medgar did too, using their WWII experience.
Real bravery is shown and respect earned by living life in a good way and treating others with respect like in the Native values link I posted upthread.
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@Just Me
I can’t do anything personally right now because at the moment I’m in the Poconos and not where I want to be, D.C. I became depressed and needed time away from college to sort myself out as my grades were suffering. I’m better now, but I can’t participate in a community that’s miles away. All I can do is learn and interact online. Other than volunteer work, I’m basically caged here.
The problem it seems to me is when our political participation begins and ends with voting. The men and women on the ballot (generally) aren’t members or leaders of the Grassroots. Second, we must use the Democrats without being co-opted by them. This is where the Black Caucus has failed. Third, we tend to wait for a messiah figure, which is understandable but it means that the political thrust all but dies with the leader. Mayor Lumumba’s election was a great accomplishment, but the failure to produce another successful candidate after he passed shows the weakness of the Black Messiah model. We ought not be lead by people, but ideas. Ideas can’t be assassinated (not to say Lumumba was assassinated).
Ultimately, you have to trust your instincts as to what course of action is best and learn as much as possible. You can’t look to me or anyone else to be the shepherd. I have my opinions, but they’re just that: opinions.
Laws are amoral and malleable, they serve and protect the powerful. We must attain power to control the law and protect ourselves because no one else will.
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