The perfect victim is the victim of a crime or wrongdoing who has nothing “wrong” with them, like a police record.
To be a perfect victim in the White American edition you need at least three of the four following qualities:
- white
- defenceless – women, children and old men are presumed to be defenceless
- innocent – no police record or committing a crime at the time, no out-of-wedlock births, etc.
- not a victim of White American power
This is just my rough guess, so let us see how it works in practice:
Jews who died in the Holocaust:
- white – check
- defenceless – check
- innocent – check
- not a victim of White American power – check
A perfect four! We must never forget!
Africans who died in the Middle Passage:
- white – ERROR
- defenceless – check
- innocent – check
- not a victim of White American power – ERROR
Only two points. These you must “get over” otherwise you will become Stuck In The Past.
Missing White Women:
- white – check
- defenceless – check
- innocent – check
- not a victim of White American power – check
Cool! Extra points for being young, good-looking and coming from a well-to-do family. Carry on.
Trayvon Martin:
- white – ERROR
- defenceless – check
- innocent – check
- not a victim of White American power – check
Three points: pretty good, but he needs strong support. Fortunately he is a perfect victim to blacks. If he had a police record or was a year older or was shot by the police, this one would be no-go beyond the black community.
Note on black men: Because whites see them as somehow dangerous even when unarmed and racially profile them as criminals, they rarely score above 1.0.
Dead Iraqi Children as shown on Al Jazeera television:
- white – ERROR
- defenceless – check
- innocent – check
- not a victim of White American power – ERROR
Too bad. The same goes for Dead Palestinian Children since Israeli power is seen as part of American power. To Arabs, though, these are perfect victims.
Black African children in refugee camps:
- white – ERROR
- defenceless – check
- innocent – check
- not a victim of White American power – check
The last one counts as a check because most Americans do not understand how their country has screwed up Africa. But at a three these children need someone to push their case.
Now let these very same children go to a bad American public school in a poor black neighbourhood:
- white – ERROR
- defenceless – check
- innocent – check
- not a victim of White American power – ERROR
Or get killed by the police, like Aiyana Jones:
- white – ERROR
- defenceless – check
- innocent – check
- not a victim of White American power – ERROR
See how it works? They are no longer worthy of protection or concern by White Americans.
Rosa Parks:
- white – ERROR
- defenceless – check
- innocent – check
- not a victim of White American power – ERROR/check
In the North she was a three because whites there could disown Jim Crow rule in the South. But again, she needed strong support, which required her to be a perfect victim to blacks, which she was.
See also:
@Abagond
Jews who died in the Holocaust:
– white – check
– defenceless – check
– innocent – check
– not a victim of White American power – check
Now, can we clarify once and for all, is the general concensus that Jewish people are white? More than once I have seen ‘white’ commmenters refute this classification of Jewish people either categorically or by including them in the ‘other’ category. What makes this so I wonder?
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@ Demerera:
Great question! I would like to know, too.
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@ Abagond
Great post! Being able to illicit empathy and sympathy from America counts too. They have to be able to imagine themselves, their dad/sister/son, etc in that EXACT same plight. If not, as with blacks, (you know because we’re not fully human), it’s doesn’t count.
@ Demerera
White Puritanical AmeriKlan don’t think Jews are white simply because they are “different”. And different = bad. Also, Jews deny Christ. Which, again = bad. No one “good” denies Jesus. That’s why Muslims are hated, Buddhists are “weird”, Mormons are “crazy” and Scientologists….well…. insert any vile insult you wish about them.
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@Truthbetold
White Puritanical AmeriKlan don’t think Jews are white simply because they are “different”. And different = bad. Also, Jews deny Christ. Which, again = bad. No one “good” denies Jesus.
So, should point 4 here really be ‘check’ or ‘error for the most part? Can Jewish people who identify with their Jewish heritage ever truly assimilate even though they share the same hue of skin as their other white counterparts?
Jews who died in the Holocaust:
– not a victim of White American power – check
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@Demerera
“Now, can we clarify once and for all, is the general concensus that Jewish people are white? More than once I have seen ‘white’ commmenters refute this classification of Jewish people either categorically or by including them in the ‘other’ category. What makes this so I wonder?”
I disagree. Judaism is practiced in west asia, africa, and southern europe. The southern europeans were not the only or the source of that religion and its people (followers). The original concentration camps during the Third Reich were created in southern africa (I believe) and a good amount of African Jews were almost exterminated by the German presence in Africa. The majority of Jewish people who were “cleansed” in Europe were white Europeans but it isn’t reasonable to equate white with Jewish.
Also I can’t find the picture now but there was one similar to the below picture. It depicted “Der Negger” (The N*gger) , “Die Deutsch” (The German) having lines linking up to “Der Jude” (The Jew) to imply that the Jews were bastard children of German women and African men (The Rhineland Bastards, for example). But like mentioned above most were equated with the “others” who were nonwhite and thus inferior.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_ph.php?ModuleId=10005479&MediaId=2435
Very good explanation of the US “perfect victim” standard.
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@deedee7789
I disagree….
Hiya – Apologies what is it you disagree with, my question or the fact that there is any ambiguity at all as to how Jewish people are categorised or none of these things? 🙂
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@Demerera
“Now, can we clarify once and for all, is the general concensus that Jewish people are white?” <- With this. I explained why in my post.
Also, have you all read on racialicious…
"The Line Between Solidarity and Appropriation: Learning from Jewish Blackface in History [Essay]"
http://www.racialicious.com/2011/11/17/the-line-between-solidarity-and-appropriation-learning-from-jewish-blackface-in-history-essay/
It is an interesting essay that mentions the assimilation process for some Jewish people during a specific era and why it could be helpful to assimilate.
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@ Demeera
The proof that jews are white.
Israel is in the middle east yet it is considered a european country.
Turkey is both in asia and europe, yet it isn’t really considered a european country.
Some white commentators might disagree but that is purely on religious reasons, not racial reasons. Jews reject christianity but in a weird way christianity is an extension of judaism. The battle between the 2 is to get jews to adopt christianity.
I disagree with deedee7789,
Jewishness/judaism is racial/religious. To be a jew, you need to practice judaism as a religion and you need to be of jewish descent i.e. from a long line of people calling themselves jews, usually not black. Proof of the pudding, in Israel itself, the motherland, blacks are discriminated against just like arabs, doesn’t matter if you say you are jewish, if you don’t look “white” you are not.
The first concentration camp was built in Namibia to be precise, people exterminated there had nothing to do with religion, purely racial i.e. whites are superior blacks are inferior.
Namibia Genocide
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL8E006CE5618C0876&v=iXgIhSjWGhE&feature=player_embedded)
“In the early 1900s, Germany invaded Namibia. This documentary from the BBC outlines the events that lead up to the deaths of 3/4 of the population of Herero people, and 1/2 of the population of Nama people.”
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@wilson
My biggest flaw is that I do not see Judaism as equating to a race. With that being said, I can’t say that because the people in Israel discriminate against blacks that somehow being white and Jewish is the only was of really being Jewish. The current inhabitants of Israel are not the original inhabitants so I would have to disagree with that example. Thank you for the correction on the concentration camp location. and I agree that it was from a racial standpoint for their extermination. There was also African Jews who were exterminated but like you mentioned it was more so because they were African rather than their religious practices. But the people in Africa and Southern Europe are just as “Jewish” as the people in West Asia and I stand by my original statement.
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@wilson
Also, when and why is Israel considered a European country? I don’t look as much into politics so I assumed that since it is in Asia then…it was a asian country. You can just use a link rather than explaining it if you want because I really didn’t know that.
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@ deedee7789,
I agree with you inasmuch as there are people in africa and asia who say they are jewish and practice judaism. However, in reality that is not enough to get them accepted as jews by people who claim to be really jewish i.e. ppl from Israel. Israel is like the vatican of jewishness. Lets not forget that jesus in the bible got into trouble for preaching to ppl who didn’t appear racially to be jewish(gentile), jesus was like, anyone can get to heaven as long as they accept the word of god, jews were like, “Ehhh, NO!”.
So I think for the most part to be accepted as jewish you have to be white, but anyone can claim to be jewish.
“The current inhabitants of Israel are not the original inhabitants so I would have to disagree with that example.”
Those in israel would disagree. They will say they got kicked out by the romans and are now going back to reclaim there god given land.
Very political. In summary, I think abagond is right in saying jews are white at least as it relates to the holocaust.
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@wilson
“In summary, I think abagond is right in saying jews are white at least as it relates to the holocaust.” Agreed.
Also, I have never read the bible so O.o yeah fail on my part for not getting your references. It looks like you are right on the authority of the Isreali government on who is “Jewish” because the Ethiopian Jews were found as legitimate Jews by the Israeli government. I was kinda surprised by that but your explanation made it clearer. Although, I do find it a bit..strange that one nation is considered the authority but I get why.
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@ deedee7789
“Also, when and why is Israel considered a European country? I don’t look as much into politics so I assumed that since it is in Asia then…it was a asian country. You can just use a link rather than explaining it if you want because I really didn’t know that.”
Ok, here is a map of the middle east http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/me.htm
You’ll see israel is actually not in asia but in the middle east surrounded by arabic countries, one can even say it’s the odd one out.
Personally I don’t know why it is considered to be european considering where it is on the world map. All I know is that it is in everything europe does that is only eligible for european countries. My hypothesis is simply because those in israel right now are actually european who got exported to a piece of land on the desert and just claimed it to be theirs much to the horror of the population that was already there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93European_Union_relations
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Jewfaq.org does a better job than me for another question, while inbounds, probably tells more about the respondant than anything. I pondered this more than a couple times as my exwife is jewish. My ancestry is euro. To answer the question you i think you need to define whether youre discussing people that converted or descendants of the semetic people, so that ethnic categorization becomes murkier with.the religious boundary overlaying the physical characteristics. I also throughout school and work have known many jewish people and I feel it is safe and reasonable to say jews would tend in the us to selflabel as caucasian. My boy michael (with the xwife) was watching tv with me a while ago and he said, ‘daddy we’re not white, we’re pink.’ So that is what it is
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“Now, can we clarify once and for all, is the general concensus that Jewish people are white? More than once I have seen ‘white’ commmenters refute this classification of Jewish people either categorically or by including them in the ‘other’ category. What makes this so I wonder?”
The ones converted to Judaism in 700 A.D. are genetically white. They pretty much are of Eastern European decent. With those very strong Eastern European features, i.e. long, prominent noses, dark hair, wide eyes.
The other whites who try to deny that Eastern European Jews are white are the ones who believe in this sort of ethnic cleansing of the white race. Excluding them because they have some pinned up issues from their past.
The Jewish Holocaust was basially just that; centuries old pinned up issues between white ethnic groups.
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“Personally I don’t know why it is considered to be european considering where it is on the world map.”
Umm …
“Although Israel is not in Europe, it considers itself culturally part thereof”
Because Israel considers itself culturally more like that of Europe than of any other surrounding countries. And the Europeans seem to all agree that Israel shares some European culture.
Me being in Canada, I don’t consider Israel to be European in any sense, not even culturally. Because any country that was a colony of European powers at one time could have therefor been considered “European” but most aren’t. USA/Canada sure isn’t considered European in any sense, and Canada still retains most cultural heritage of the British/French while incorporating multiculturalism into the fold.
It strikes North Americans as odd, but Europeans seem more sure of Israels view.
So in essence, Jews would therefor be considered “white”. I’ve always considered them white also, but that’s mostly due to their skin colour/tone.
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Well, you’re alienating your Jewish readers of all colors, including myself.
I can understand why you would try to classify Jews as white, and in in many cases white-skinned Jews (which I concede are the world majority) have become fairly “White” in America. I also do not support Israel’s policies and see that color, and a strong cultural bond, plays a role in Israeli actions and politics.
I don’t see the American right and white-skinned Jews as being ‘the same’. I view it as an unholy alliance between my people and a rabid dog that is scarcely being held by a chain that will inevitably break one day.
Also, while you may not see it in the media, there are many holocaust deniers and many people of all colors, white, black, etc… would be happy to “punish” Jews in a heartbeat if they could do it with impunity.
You can talk about race, and it requires honesty. You raise some valid points that many people simply don’t want to acknowledge including many Jews. But until you’ve seen the view from a perspective that lies beyond boundaries, like mine, you don’t get the whole story. Please don’t think that you do, because while I’m being arrogant and maybe condescending and insulting out of angry right now, you still do a disservice to yourself in search of the truth when you think you’re seeing the whole picture from your point of view.
First I felt alienated from this blog because I wasn’t “Black” enough, being mixed, in a comments thread on biracial/black female leads on TV. Now I’m feeling alienated because I feel a strong push to try to deny my family’s suffering and victimization – and no, 50 years or so does not turn the tide of hundreds upon hundreds of years of persecution any more than the civil rights movement “ended” racism.
And finally, if you don’t want to take into account my perspective as a Black, mixed-race Jew with a white-skinned parent, at least take into account the Eurocentric way you view the Jewish people.
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Thank you all for your responses regarding my initial query. It does seem that the inclusion of Jewish people in the statement above is apt when all is taken into consideration.
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@wilson
“You’ll see israel is actually not in asia but in the middle east surrounded by arabic countries, one can even say it’s the odd one out.”
“The middle east” is in the continent of asia…I was talking about continent not region.
@phoebeprunelle
“The ones converted to Judaism in 700 A.D. are genetically white. ”
What is genetically white? Does this mean that their genes were mostly similar with whatever “white” is? Also, isn’t it possible that a genetically white person isn’t “racially” white? That kinda goes along with the outdated one drop rule, a person who is like 1/16 black is considered just black (weird right). I really what to know because I still strongly disagree with the over sweeping sentiment of Jew = white because it reads like saying all Jews = white which is something that I strongly disagree with.
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@Mamzer HaKodesh
First I felt alienated from this blog because I wasn’t “Black” enough, being mixed, in a comments thread on biracial/black female leads on TV.
Mamzer – which blog are you referring to? One on here? Doesnt this comment also suggest that due to your bad experience that you have ‘generalised’ also – something you seem to be accusing other commenters of doing?
Just as you are responding, as is your right to the comments from commenters on here, many commenters are writing about their experiences/knowledge have informed their understanding of the perception of people.
It seems unfair to be cross with individuals for that but instead, do as you have done and stated your opinion so that people can look at this and take it into account from someone like yourself who is ‘in the know’ so to speak. To my mind, it is the more personal accounts that add value.
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@ deedee7789,
““The middle east” is in the continent of asia…I was talking about continent not region.”
I actually didn’t know that. Learnt something new today.
Thanks and sorry.
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Thank you Deedee. This is what a part of what I’m referring to – classifying people by eurocentric rules.
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Could some one give me a definition of “White American power”?
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“What is genetically white? Does this mean that their genes were mostly similar with whatever “white” is?”
I think you are reading too much into to it. This is not a hard fast thing, but phentotypically–Jews of Eastern European descent are white. Sub groups–all it is is just variations of the human species. When people take a step back and stop being emotional they will see that there is nothing wrong with acknowledging variations among humanity. It is how we evolved. The problem is when people use these variations for evil and design social constructs such as racism.
It can be said about anybody that they have x amount of African ancestry and x amount of European ancestry and so forth. The reality is that social constructs are very powerful. And based on the way a person looks–this world will determine who is black, white, Asian, etc genetically.
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Btw–Judaism is a religion, not a color. The problem is that people have come to associate Judaism with one sub group simply because historically they have monopolized it.
Yes there are black, Asian and other people who practice Judaism, but the ones of primarly Eastern European descent are the keepers. Much like the Arabs are the keepers of Islam, although all Muslims are not Arab.
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@Demerera –
I was referring to a previous comments thread here from a repost about Black/Biracial girls and women with white boys/men on TV. I think it was called, “Um, it isn’t about us”, or something similar.
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@ Mamzer HaKodesh
If you feel alienated, they why post on this blog? I feel alienated everytime I walk outside of my door in society that my ancestor’s free labor and blood helped to build…
“I don’t see the American right and white-skinned Jews as being ‘the same’.”
I do, both groups of Whites (as a whole) are hardcore believers in White Supermacy and our racist foreign policy in the middle east….
“Also, while you may not see it in the media, there are many holocaust deniers and many people of all colors, white, black, etc… would be happy to “punish” Jews in a heartbeat if they could do it with impunity. ”
And your point is what exactly? White Supermacy has be punishing people of color for the last 400 years: lets not start with the oppression olympics.
“But until you’ve seen the view from a perspective that lies beyond boundaries, like mine, you don’t get the whole story.”
Abagond is writing from his point of view and past experiences, why does he need your two cents to “get the whole story’?
Sounds like more derailing talk to me….
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@phoebeprunelle
Khazarian Empire, consisted of mostly of Turkish people (mixed Caucasian and Mongolian), Russian, other eastern European regions. Ashkenazi Jews (Germany based) descend from this group. There are other large (Talmud) groups but the German Jews were mainly descendants of the Khazarian Empire who would have been identified as “white”. Genetically the Khazarian Empire was diverse but still very European. I wanted that sort of explanation although you did hint at it with mentioning “Eastern Europeans”.
You were general and so your post was misinterpreted. The Ashkenazi Jews are not the source and does not represent all people who follow the Talmund. So the Ashkenazi Jews can be viewed as genetically white but the other ethnic divisions do not descend from the Khazarian Empire (700 AD converts) and cannot be assumed to be “white” as well. Do realize that I am not implying that you feel that all Jewish individuals are white since you clearly know some of the history. But I still disagree with a comment that implies that ALL instead a specific group of Jewish people are white.
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@ stevenhaws
“Could some one give me a definition of “White American power”?”
The power of committing acts of terrorism against people and nations of color (i.e. slavery, geniocide of native americans, violent overthrown of progressive/non-algined governments and leaders, theft of other people’s labor and natural resources including oil) and calling it ANYTHING BUT what it is……..
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“But I still disagree with a comment that implies that ALL instead a specific group of Jewish people are white.”
Who is saying that?
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“Sounds like more derailing talk to me….”
Derailing because he happens to be mixed black/white(jewish) and disagrees with the point of view stated? Huh, go figure that.
“The power of committing acts of terrorism against people and nations of color (i.e. slavery, geniocide of native americans, violent overthrown of progressive/non-algined governments and leaders, theft of other people’s labor and natural resources including oil) and calling it ANYTHING BUT what it is……..”
Oh god no, because then you’d need to include every single thing anyone of any nation and colour has done because we all know human ignorance towards others is not tied to one race alone.
“Abagond is writing from his point of view and past experiences, why does he need your two cents to “get the whole story’”
Because he’s stated he’s black/jewish so therefor his input would be highly sought then no? Unless ofcourse you’re being extremely biased in what viewpoints YOU want to see, but I doubt Abagond agrees with you on that point then, as he allows anyone who agrees or disagrees to state their point.
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@Yawn
“Oh god no, because then you’d need to include every single thing anyone of any nation and colour has done because we all know human ignorance towards others is not tied to one race alone.”
Great way to walk away from the point, we are not talking about ignorance here, we are talking ABOUT WHITE SUPREMACY: noen of the examples I have provided originate from ignorance, they were intentially though out and plan with the foundation that a white lfe is worth more than a person of colors…the only ignorant person here is YOU~~~
“Derailing because he happens to be mixed black/white(jewish) and disagrees with the point of view stated?”
Yea, because, as Abagond and others have clearly described as a FAVORITE derailing tatic that Whites love to use, Mamzer tried to turn the discussion into how what Abagond wrote made HIM feel, as opposed to trying to address what was written.
“Because he’s stated he’s black/jewish so therefor his input would be highly sought then no? Unless ofcourse you’re being extremely biased in what viewpoints YOU want to see, but I doubt Abagond agrees with you on that point then, as he allows anyone who agrees or disagrees to state their point.”
Hahahaha, this is coming from the fool that tried to pass off white supermacy as an action of ignorance…
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@ Yawn,
I’d like to challenge you further on this;
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“The power of committing acts of terrorism against people and nations of color (i.e. slavery, geniocide of native americans, violent overthrown of progressive/non-algined governments and leaders, theft of other people’s labor and natural resources including oil) and calling it ANYTHING BUT what it is……..”
Oh god no, because then you’d need to include every single thing anyone of any nation and colour has done because we all know human ignorance towards others is not tied to one race alone.
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You are masking a characteristically white trait as a universal human characteristic which I think is very deceptive of you.
Tell me any other culture not influenced by european imperialism that acts as you say:
>> Oh god no, because then you’d need to include every single thing anyone of any nation and colour has done because we all know human ignorance towards others is not tied to one race alone.<<
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So I have two people conflicting what White American power is.. does anyone on here actually agree on anything? lol
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finally a video of trayvon @ the convenience store has been desseminated to the public. if I did not know him. from that video I would assume he is a violent thug. he looks battle hardened, and nothing like the 4 year old photo most people are used to associating with the criminal he was.
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@ Abagond,
I find white women to be an interesting case because they are both a victim of this AND a victimizer. Usually they can be “slut-shamed” for being women who are victims of sexual assault or sexism, but it’s usually very tame compared to the sort of treatment women of color are given for the same situation. Also they have their own hand in exploiting this to hide their unsavory activities at the cost of the lives of black men, women and children.
Mamzer Hakodesh,
Yeah, usually people who aren’t white but are Jewish are often left out of the Jewish narrative. I also get annoyed when people claim all Jews are “white”, it can negate the experiences of PoC who are Jewish from all over the world. IMO it was a white supremacist society that made it so that Jewish people who were white were allowed to take center stage at the exclusion of others. If it weren’t for the complexion protection and the fact that their most obvious oppressors were enemies of the U.S. (Germans), they would be treated just like the other “imperfect victims” and the Holocaust would likely have been excused or ignored like much of Germany’s other atrocities.
@ Yawn,
Come on man. You aren’t being clever, you’re just derailing worse than anyone else. I thought you understood how complex this crap is on the open thread.
“Derailing because he happens to be mixed black/white(jewish) and disagrees with the point of view stated? Huh, go figure that.”
No, derailing because he’s contributing to making the post about the ethnicity of “jews” when it’s about “perfect victims”.. He doesn’t disagree with the post, he’s disagreeing with making all jews white for the sake of an argument. Though I think the initial attempt to argue over the race of Jewish people is derailing. I actually agree with him, you can’t just classify all Jews as white (anyone who’s studied the history of the area or the religion would know that the Abrahamic religions didn’t just generate in Europe, it started and spread that way, going through Africa and the Mediterranean, even Asia first), but white supremacy made Jews “white” to justify their anger over the holocaust and their involvement in that area of the Middle East, to the exclusion of everyone else who wasn’t white but was Jewish. The Jews only became acceptable victims because complexion protection and the nationality of their oppressors let them be so. If the Holocaust took place purely in Africa or the Middle East (or in America), they would not have been “victims” but acceptable targets.
“Oh god no, because then you’d need to include every single thing anyone of any nation and colour has done because we all know human ignorance towards others is not tied to one race alone.”
You know better that that, Yawn. Come on. Stop trying to look for a way to make things appear to be a double standard and think back to what you’re perspective would be if you weren’t raised white and weren’t given a choice to be anything else. You know no one said bad actions are tied to one race alone, THAT is derailing more than anything else in this thread. This blog isn’t about saying that white people weren’t the only ones, because, to many PoC (especially in European or Western countries) they ARE the ones in power doing these things. Invalidating their experience to be facetious is just rude, calling it “ignorance” is a BS cop out. You should know that.
People have no time to just excuse crap as ignorance, because “ignorance” doesn’t make you become a person who knowingly agrees with ideas which leads to policies which hurt men women AND children purely based on their skin color. Ideas like who can be a acceptable victim, for example.
“Because he’s stated he’s black/jewish so therefor his input would be highly sought then no? Unless ofcourse you’re being extremely biased in what viewpoints YOU want to see, but I doubt Abagond agrees with you on that point then, as he allows anyone who agrees or disagrees to state their point.”
No, because this isn’t about people who are “black/jewish” this is about PERFECT VICTIMS. His perspective is very important IMO, but don’t use him to try to make things about some bias against white people? How about you add to the discussion on Perfect Victims?
For example,
I’ve noticed that in North and South America, indigenous people (who are visible PoC) are often considered imperfect victims. People don’t fight as hard for them as they would for people who are visibly white, because people often attempt to justify what they’re put through (i.e. they drink, they gamble, they steal through casinos, we gave them land). You can almost expect to have your life put through a microscope of you aren’t white and are a victim, because they always try to focus on you instead of the culpability of your victimizer.
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@ Steven Hawes,
“So I have two people conflicting what White American power is.. does anyone on here actually agree on anything? lol”
Why should they have to “define” what it is for you? Isn’t there an entire blog here that has examples and definitions for what that means? Are you asking for it in regards to this context?
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@ Stevenhaws,
Sorry for the mispell.
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“Yea, because, as Abagond and others have clearly described as a FAVORITE derailing tatic that Whites love to use, Mamzer tried to turn the discussion into how what Abagond wrote made HIM feel, as opposed to trying to address what was written.”
But he’s not white, he’s mixed black/jewish. So are you saying that because he’s not fully black his individual voice on the subject (especially relating to those about jews as he himself is one) is equal to how those of whites act when in opposition to a position and should be shrugged off?
“Hahahaha, this is coming from the fool that tried to pass off white supermacy as an action of ignorance…”
How did “white” supremacy begin? Belief in the notion that one race was more superior to another. Are you to tell me that no other race on this planet has not had thoughts like that? Racism and white supremacy was born out of ignorance and flawed science, the difference is whites pursued it whiles others were incapable of due to various reasons.
@Ace
“You know better that that, Yawn. Come on. Stop trying to look for a way to make things appear to be a double standard and think back to what you’re perspective would be if you weren’t raised white and weren’t given a choice to be anything else. You know no one said bad actions are tied to one race alone, THAT is derailing more than anything else in this thread. This blog isn’t about saying that white people weren’t the only ones, because, to many PoC (especially in European or Western countries) they ARE the ones in power doing these things. Invalidating their experience to be facetious is just rude, calling it “ignorance” is a BS cop out. You should know that.”
But the thing is that is exactly what this person has stated, especially when related to white supremacy.
“The power of committing acts of terrorism against people and nations of color (i.e. slavery, geniocide of native americans, violent overthrown of progressive/non-algined governments and leaders, theft of other people’s labor and natural resources including oil) and calling it ANYTHING BUT what it is……..”
Can this be anymore friggin bias? Are you to tell me no other colour has ever done these things, and do do these things? And to tie it to “white” supremacy alone while ignoring the fact that HUMANS not just whites did these things, and continue to. That friggin viewpoint is what pisses me the hell off.
Gah whatever, I’m sorry Ace. I can’t, I really can’t no more. The more bull I read by some people the more bitter I get and the more hate I feel for anyone not white, I’m done.
It was an interesting blog to read, and I stayed because I hoped I could get some insight from some amazing people like you and a select few others and get a better perspective on life instead of the simple view I see it from but I’d rather live in ignorance seeing how racism can be a one-sided argument against whites and nothing more contrary to what I was taught growing up in a multicultural society.
@Abagond
I may not agree with your topics sometimes but I really do believe in my heart you’re not seeing the topics you post about like some of these commentors see them. I really believe you are against racism and the system of white supremacy, not against whites and whites alone.
I’m just not coloured enough to digest your posts emotionally, and healthy. I’m still stuck in the rose-tinted world I grew up in.
Hopefully others will be able to succeed where I can not, and understand to the full extent the message behind your posts.
@MK82
Laugh all you want, in the end either people will smarten up and stop with the stupidity or Truthbend and the like will be correct. Not just the USA but the West will be submerged in racial war and in the end who wins when theres nothing left? In that situation only stupidity thrives.
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On the subject of being a perfect victim, on top of what abagond has said:
– I think you need to have a job if you are a PoC… Preferably be middle class or above. Infact scrap that, you ideally need to be young and going places(have good grades or excel at sports and get high recommendations from white ppl in positions of authority) if you are a PoC.
– I also think you must not be a woman of colour. Women of colour cannot be perfect victims.
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@wilson
– I also think you must not be a woman of colour. Women of colour cannot be perfect victims.
Unfortunately I have to agree with this and generally, neither do WoC expect to be cut any slack either – Resigned almost to this…
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@ Mamzer HaKodesh
” Now I’m feeling alienated because I feel a strong push to try to deny my family’s suffering and victimization
I’m curious do you ever feel alienated when you think how the other side of your family has been treated for so long in america ?
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Demerera,
You said, “Now, can we clarify once and for all, is the general concensus that Jewish people are white? More than once I have seen ‘white’ commmenters refute this classification of Jewish people either categorically or by including them in the ‘other’ category. What makes this so I wonder?”
I know, right? Why is it those white commenters now separate themselves from white Jews? Do they think that Jews are another ethnicity or race that is no way related to whites? Do they hold some kind of contempt for Jews themselves? To go even deeper, what does it mean to be ‘white’ to the white commenters?
As a side note, I see that Brahms is back and is already trying to pull the black guilt/white victim card once again.
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Aaah, yes. The world according to Abagond. Where he simply states his opinion and declares it to be so! Actually, I partially agree with what Abagond says in this post. Where I disagree is when he declares the natural tendencies that everyone shares to be exclusive to whites so he can take a shot at his favorite bogeyman.
Here’s the dealio. MOST people have more sympathy for those like them. And MOST people have more sympathy for innocent, defenseless victims over criminals and a-holes. The possible exception being when those criminals and a-holes look like them. And then most people will still try to claim they were “innocent victims”. You know, the way you guys did with Trayvon and Blueford.
Yes, I know some of you said they weren’t “saints” or “perfect victims”. But that’s only because you coudln’t deny their previous misconduct. It still didn’t dissuade your views that they were innocent and defenseless in the given situation. What’s more, several of you even tried to use their previous misbehavior as a straw man in defending them. Like Abagond does here by suggesting that even though evidence disclaims their innocence its only a “white supremacist” mentality that keeps others from seeing it. In other words, Abagond has created a straw-man defense of criminals and a-holes who look like him.
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More ideas on being a Perfect Victim:
– White people need to approve of it for it to be so. It doesn’t matter what black people say, what matters is what white people say since they know best. If they say you are a perfect victim, you are a perfect victim, if they say you aren’t, it doesn’t matter if the whole non-white population of the world says you are, you are not.
Inspired by duckduckgoofs. Give credit where credit is due.
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@wilson what matters is what white people say since they know best.
Are you saying others aren’t entitlted to an opinion? And that they should just shut up and agree with you because blacks know best?
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The whole idea of perfect victim is a white idea. This helps them sleep better at night when they do something bad since they can rationalize it away as “they needed it since they aren’t perfect”. So for example, they could go and enslave ppl, commit genocide because those other ppl weren’t White, weren’t civilized, weren’t christian, were savages etc.
They have just changed the requirements to fit the contemporary world but the underlying dynamic is the same. They commit a crime and then intellectualize it away so they can sleep better and MOST IMPORTANTLY make there victims feel like they SOMEHOW DESERVED IT.
Not only that it helps nullify resistance from their victims since their victims internalize the rhetoric that they feed them i.e. if you become PERFECT then you won’t have these things happen to you.
Guess who gets to define PERFECT? You guessed it, THEM.
Good one duck, I look forward to your further elucidation of what we should think. Why don’t you cast some of that white light on our dark souls.
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@ duck,
I see you are trying to get me caught up in a never ending circle of rhetoric,
“Are you saying others aren’t entitlted to an opinion? And that they should just shut up and agree with you because blacks know best?”
Hahaha I can ask you this aswell, since your opening line was
“Aaah, yes. The world according to Abagond. Where he simply states his opinion and declares it to be so!”
thus you denying abagond his right to an opinion in a rather sarcastic way. LOL!
And now you accuse me of that implying that I am denying you, your right to an opinion.
Hypocrisy! Another White talent.
To quote a native american during the settlement years:
For your opinion if you didn’t already know, No I am just stating what requirements a Perfect Victim needs to satisfy to be considered such by people like you duckduckgoofs.
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@ Yawn,
If you are still here, i don’t mind discussing with you on the Open Thread why I think we’re coming to two entirely different conclusions about this post and blog. No one is telling you that you’re “too white”, and if you are interested in discussing race you are going to have to discuss topics that might be hard. But keep in mind you have the privilege to overlook such conversations but people like me don’t (as I recall the only difference between you and me is that couldn’t pass for white if I tried), and you will ultimately lose out as much as I would by choosing to “give up” in the way you are thinking. No one wants to completely invalidate the feelings of the people who ARE constantly victimized by white people (the vast majority) to spare the feelings of people who could care less about them. If you aren’t one of those people, then you should not feel like you are included in the white-supremacist narrative.
@ Duck,
“What’s more, several of you even tried to use their previous misbehavior as a straw man in defending them. Like Abagond does here by suggesting that even though evidence disclaims their innocence its only a “white supremacist” mentality that keeps others from seeing it. In other words, Abagond has created a straw-man defense of criminals and a-holes who look like him.”
Odd, going past the fact that your post is absolutely hypocritical…I don’t remember seeing anyone defend someone by using their “previous misbehavior” as a “strawman”. How can you apply that logic to Aiyana Jones? What did SHE do? How is it HER fault that white supremacists (and sadly a lot of white people) tried to blame a little girl for her own death?
It seems as if you are missing the point of this post. The fact is that if you aren’t a “perfect victim” in the eyes of a white supremacist society, you recieve less care, less outrage, and less support. It’s so pervasive that even in other communities, like feminists and gays, they will not lift a finger to defend their own members if they aren’t white enough to fall into their standard of perfect victimhood. On the other hand, white people who had just as much of a pattern of previous misbehavior often have that fact overlooked to focus on them as victims. It’s a real pattern, so what’s wrong with talking about it?
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If the incident involves the police, they also have to present themselves in a way that the majority of White people deem `innocent.’ e.g. If a Black person gets shot by the police and they are dressed like a `thug’, they are not a perfect victim.
My family in the UK has experienced this. One of my family members styles herself in the same way as people that are assumed to be troublemakers. At night, a man attempted to rape her. She was crying and hitting him. Two policemen rounded the corner, told the man to go home and arrested her. She resisted, they pressed charges.
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1. Jews are called white in my example because nearly all the Jews Hitler killed are seen today by most White Americans as white. Remember, this perfect victim thing, as talked about in the post, is a white point of view, so what matters is what most of them think, not the genetics and history and all that. So, yes, it will be Eurocentric.
2. I said in the post this is “just my rough guess”. Further, this is a blog, not a scholarly journal, so, yes, it is going to be full of my OPINIONS, some truer than others.
3. I did not say nor have I ever said that whites are UNIQUELY evil. I know enough history to know that is not true. BUT MOST of the evil visited upon people of colour in America, particularly upon native and black Americans, does come from white people. I know enough history to know that is true too. So, yes, when I talk about evil it will almost always have a white face due to the time and place I find myself in history. If whites are going to do evil shit in the name of whiteness then, yes, they will get called on it AS whites.
4. @ Brahms: Flash mobs, at least in the way you talked about them in your comment, are off-topic.
5. @ Circus Boy: The videotape of Trayvon at 7-Eleven is also off topic, but I allowed it because it was just dripping with the sort of racial profiling I brought up in the post. So thank you for an example of what I mean. People can talk about your comment in regard to THIS post, but this is not going to become a “Trayvon is a Thug” thread. If you want to comment further on that topic do it here:
On this thread, though, you can talk about Trayvon’s perfect victimhood or lack thereof.
6. “Everyone does it”, even if true, does not make it right. A life is a life is a life. Sam gave an excellent example on another thread about what American soldiers do (most of the time) when the enemy throws down his gun. Jesus gave an excellent example by hanging out with prostitutes and tax collectors and saying how we should visit people in prison and help the poor. We are ALL God’s children regardless of our past sins, despite our skin colour and all the rest. But MANY “good” Christian white people have FORGOTTEN that and think you can measure a man’s worth – and they act accordingly. That is just PLAIN FUCKING WRONG. It leads to SICK and EVIL behaviour.
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@ wilson The whole idea of perfect victim…
That whole comment of yours was a canard which could just as easily be said of blacks as whites or anyone else. Should everyone simply accept it as “true” because its your preferred narrative?
I see you are trying to get me caught up in a never ending circle of rhetoric,
Not at all. You could have simply answered, “no”. But for some reason you were unable to do so. So I ask again, “Are you saying others aren’t entitlted to an opinion? And that they should just shut up and agree with you because blacks know best?”
Hahaha I can ask you this aswell, since your opening line was
You could ask it if you like. And I’d be happy to answer by saying I haven’t told anyone to shut up or that their opinion wasn’t valid because of their race.
thus you denying abagond his right to an opinion in a rather sarcastic way. LOL!
When have I denied anyone a right to their opinion? I’ve simply disagreed and replied with my own. Its a strange mentality that claims a dissenting view denies others a right to an opinion.
And now you accuse me of that implying that I am denying you, your right to an opinion.
I haven’t accused anyone of denying me a right to an opinion.
For your opinion if you didn’t already know, No I am just stating what requirements a Perfect Victim needs to satisfy to be considered such by people like you duckduckgoofs.
You’re merely repeating Abagond’s straw man. I’ve repeatedly said that whether one has a criminal history is irrelevant if it doesn’t pertain to the incident in question. Even prostitutes get raped sometimes. I made that point perfectly clear in a comment about Trayvon weeks ago.
Hypocrisy! Another White talent.
Pardon me, but you sound kind of racist.
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@ Abagond,
Very good response. Great points, all of them.
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circusboy,
Well, I didn’t think you would step outside of the other post. Yet, I see you still think judging people by outward appearances is an intelligent way to think. Besides, it has nothing to do with the topic, but hey, you’re just way too smart to follow simple directions.
Duck,
You said, “Aaah, yes. The world according to Abagond. Where he simply states his opinion and declares it to be so! Actually, I partially agree with what Abagond says in this post. Where I disagree is when he declares the natural tendencies that everyone shares to be exclusive to whites so he can take a shot at his favorite bogeyman.”
You simply don’t get it, and I don’t think you want to get it. The posts that discuss race primarily come from experience, what we lived through as a PoC in America. Most likely what Abagond went through is similar to what other PoC have gone through more or less.
However, as demonstrated by certain commenters on this blog, that is simply unacceptable because it is racist against the white man. There in lies the fallacy. You care more that he is referring to white people and their racism as opposed to what PoC have to deal with on a constant basis. As a response, you consider that whining, complaining, and prefer it if we simply shut up, not talk about it and smile especially when the commenters play the blame game on us like Brahms does.
You also said, “Here’s the dealio. MOST people have more sympathy for those like them. And MOST people have more sympathy for innocent, defenseless victims over criminals and a-holes. The possible exception being when those criminals and a-holes look like them. And then most people will still try to claim they were “innocent victims”. You know, the way you guys did with Trayvon and Blueford.”
Starting off in ebonics is real telling, but anyway, who in your mind are victims and who are the criminals? What colors are they?
From your posts, I assume that most of the time your image of the innocent victims are mostly white and your interpretations of the criminals are mostly blacks. And the common mantra from certain commenters are that black people are not victims of anything, but white people are victims of vicious black racism. That is the only absolute that they firmly stick to not matter what. To them there are no such people as black victims. None.
No one said that Trayvon and Blueford were innocent victims. No one. But the common habit I see with certain commenters is that if a black man is killed, he must’ve done something to get himself killed. Therefore, we should not have any sympathy for him. He deserved to die.
Finally, you said, “Yes, I know some of you said they weren’t “saints” or “perfect victims”. But that’s only because you coudln’t deny their previous misconduct. It still didn’t dissuade your views that they were innocent and defenseless in the given situation. What’s more, several of you even tried to use their previous misbehavior as a straw man in defending them. Like Abagond does here by suggesting that even though evidence disclaims their innocence its only a “white supremacist” mentality that keeps others from seeing it. In other words, Abagond has created a straw-man defense of criminals and a-holes who look like him.”
The first part of your third paragraph helps identify how little mercy and sympathy this society has for certain people. It’s part of the American culture and puritanical belief that if you’ve sinned or broke the law in the past, no matter how hard you try to redeem yourself, society must never forgive you. It’s an example of an overdeveloped sense of self-righteousness.
This is especially true for black men. To you, if they’ve committed a sin or broke a law in the past, that’s a call for death. And if they die, they deserved it. Period. Why else would you use Trayvon and Blueford, two black males, as examples? Wouldn’t it be logical to conclude that you believed that they got what was coming to them?
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@ abagond I did not say nor have I ever said that whites are UNIQUELY evil. I know enough history to know that is not true. BUT MOST of the evil visited upon people of colour in America, particularly upon native and black Americans, does come from white people.
Most of the “evil visited upon people of colour” in America comes from those of the same race. That’s true for whites as well.
“Everyone does it”, even if true, does not make it right.
I never said everyone doing it made it right. My disagreement is that you painted those qualities as uniquely “white supremacist” while ignoring that everyone does it. That you’ve added a disclaimer after the fact acknowledging that whites aren’t “uniquely evil” doesn’t change that. You can’t have it both ways.
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@ ace Odd, going past the fact that your post is absolutely hypocritical…I don’t remember seeing anyone defend someone by using their “previous misbehavior” as a “strawman”.
The straw man is in accusing me of using the alleged victims’ previous behavior to justify my opinions when I haven’t done so. Since my opinions don’t support the alleged victims the straw man being used to attack my opinion is an attempt by others to use their previous misbehavior as a defense. Abagond’s post is just an extension of this.
How can you apply that logic to Aiyana Jones?
I haven’t.
It seems as if you are missing the point of this post. The fact is that if you aren’t a “perfect victim” in the eyes of a white supremacist society…
You’re entitled to your own opinions but you’re not entitled to your own facts. And I’ve noticed that on a number of occasionas you’ve claimed “facts” that weren’t.
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The idea that “Jews are not white” it´s a funny and recent (XIX century)”aquisition” of the Anglo-saxonic world. It´s the same people that equalizes Europe and White, specially north-western europe (nordics). For the vast majority of europeans, it´s obvious that North-Africans and West-Asians are generally whites (in caucasian sense), only a bit more dark than average south-european; “Generally”, because some show partial ancestry from Black slaves (ex:slavery in Irack or Palestine only finish in XX century, due to European rule); but if you look like Sadam, Assad, Khomeiny, etç… You are white! – In fact, “white” it´s not a good word, since Caucasians, from the Pole, to northern India and the Saara, show a large spectrum of “shades” (not even counting with admixtures). Hell, Caucasians are not even European in origin, but West or Central Asian; they arrive in Europe and North-Africa about 45 000 years ago, why should be called Europeans?- Europe is not even a Continente, but only a subset of Asia, like India…
Also Dee-Dee, you get all wrong… the first Campos de Concentracion are built by Spaniards in Cuba, and used against Blancos, Negros e Mulatos. They are closed by Americans. After, the British built others in South-Africa to use against Afrikaners (Whites);this was in 1900, and Third Reich (Germans) start in 1933, in Europe; Germans never killed any african jews; all Jews killed in Holocaust are caucasians. In fact, Judaism start in West-Asia (caucasians), spread to North-Africa(caucasians) and Europe (caucasians). After they arrive in China, India and Ethiopia, giving origin to the first non caucasian Jews.
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@ Kurika,
No, first of all, Jewish religion did not wind up in Europe after it’s creation, not for a long time. Those people who followed it before that were not considered “caucasians” until it was time to attempt to link them together to appropriate important events. It makes no sense to try to apply the logic that they’re all caucasian and therefore part of the same race. Not anymore than you can just use “black” to lump anyone who isn’t in the “chosen race” together. Also, the Germans killed African people purely due to their dedication to aryan superiority, they had many holocausts before the “important” one.
Thirdly, again, this thread isn’t about the ethnicity of the Jewish people, it’s about perfect victims?
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@ Duck,
“Most of the “evil visited upon people of colour” in America comes from those of the same race. That’s true for whites as well.”
Are you trying to invalidate the experiences of racism that people experience to pull a “you do it to each other”? You know that no one is talking about that.
“I never said everyone doing it made it right. My disagreement is that you painted those qualities as uniquely “white supremacist” while ignoring that everyone does it. That you’ve added a disclaimer after the fact acknowledging that whites aren’t “uniquely evil” doesn’t change that. You can’t have it both ways.”
And yet you’ve demonstrated that you can in regards to black people. Secondly,, no where does he ignore the fact that “everyone does it”, but this blog is not about invalidating racism by claiming “Well I heard you people do it too”. Because that sure as heck doesn’t change the fact that racism happens or make it easier for it’s victims to swallow. Why should he always have to spare the feelings of people who could care less when they trample on his? I don’t recall black people in America coming up with slavery, Jim Crow, or institutional racism, so how can he really say, “Well we do it to”?
“The straw man is in accusing me of using the alleged victims’ previous behavior to justify my opinions when I haven’t done so. Since my opinions don’t support the alleged victims the straw man being used to attack my opinion is an attempt by others to use their previous misbehavior as a defense. Abagond’s post is just an extension of this.”
No it isn’t, it’s a continuation of what’s been discussed constantly on this blog, which is, why is it that black people and other PoC can’t be “victims” in the same sense that white people can? If you would like to contribute to that discussion, I’m sure you could
“I haven’t.”
Well you claimed people were using someone’s previous misbehavior as a defense, so how has someone used her previous misbehavior to defend her, since she was a little girl who did nothing and yet was killed by cops?
“You’re entitled to your own opinions but you’re not entitled to your own facts. And I’ve noticed that on a number of occasionas you’ve claimed “facts” that weren’t.”
I thought you didn’t like “strawmen”. Honestly, you aren’t the judge of whether or not my “facts” were or weren’t true, especially since you prefer to waffle on that. I’d ask you what “facts” i’ve claimed that weren’t true, but then I know that people like you like to act like you’re the judge on whether or not our experiences are valid or not, which plays into exactly why black people and other PoC’s are often put on trial when they’re victims. Things aren’t untrue just because you don’t want to acknowledge them.
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I think this whole discussion shows why the topic is important and why this blog is so important.
“Jewish race”???? I mean, that can only come from a person who has lived all his/hers life inside the racist system. What next? Catholic race? Lutheran race? Buddhist race? Atheistic race?? Philosphical race? Political race?
One can see in a discussion such as this one how the racist system infects the minds. People begin automatically cathegorise others by their “race”. That is the main purpose of the racism. The concept of race. The very idea that there are separate races.
Despite the fact that the science has shown by now without a question that there is only one human race in the world, the racism is doing fine. That is why there are the prefect victims and the flawed ones. Racial separation works that way if and when it is allowed to do so. when it is part of the thinking of the people living in it.
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Duck,
You said, “The straw man is in accusing me of using the alleged victims’ previous behavior to justify my opinions when I haven’t done so.”
But before that you said, ““Here’s the dealio. MOST people have more sympathy for those like them. And MOST people have more sympathy for innocent, defenseless victims over criminals and a-holes. The possible exception being when those criminals and a-holes look like them. And then most people will still try to claim they were “innocent victims”. You know, the way you guys did with Trayvon and Blueford…
Yes, I know some of you said they weren’t “saints” or “perfect victims”. But that’s only because you coudln’t deny their previous misconduct. It still didn’t dissuade your views that they were innocent and defenseless in the given situation. What’s more, several of you even tried to use their previous misbehavior as a straw man in defending them…”
It seems to me you’ve taken up that position, but then deny it in as little as a couple of responses.
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@brothawolf You simply don’t get it, and I don’t think you want to get it.
I get it. I just don’t agree with it.
Starting off in ebonics is real telling, but anyway, who in your mind are victims and who are the criminals? What colors are they?
Da victims be whateva color dey be, yo.
From your posts, I assume that most of the time your image of the innocent victims are mostly white and your interpretations of the criminals are mostly blacks.
Regardless of whatever images you think I have, I’m well aware that there are victims and criminals in all races. Therefore, my only “interpretation” is based on the evidence.
No one. But the common habit I see with certain commenters is that if a black man is killed, he must’ve done something to get himself killed. Therefore, we should not have any sympathy for him. He deserved to die.
And what I see with certain commenters is that if a black man is killed he was must’ve been the victim of racism regardless of whether he was beating or pointing a gun at someone else.
It seems to me you’ve taken up that position, but then deny it in as little as a couple of responses.
I think there’s a miscommunication. I don’t understand your criticism.
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@ ace Are you trying to invalidate the experiences of racism that people experience to pull a “you do it to each other”? You know that no one is talking about that.
I was simply stating a fact which can be supported with statistics. Yeah, I know… statistics are “racist”.
And yet you’ve demonstrated that you can in regards to black people.
I don’t recall doing so.
Because that sure as heck doesn’t change the fact that racism happens or make it easier for it’s victims to swallow.
Ah, yes, the eternal victim.
Why should he always have to spare the feelings of people who could care less when they trample on his?
I haven’t asked Abagond to spare anyone’s feelings.
which is, why is it that black people and other PoC can’t be “victims” in the same sense that white people can? If you would like to contribute to that discussion, I’m sure you could
I never said blacks couldn’t be victims the same as others. But it sounds like some want to have “special” victims and I don’t do “special”.
Well you claimed people were using someone’s previous misbehavior as a defense, so how has someone used her previous misbehavior to defend her
I never said anything about Alaina Jones.
Honestly, you aren’t the judge of whether or not my “facts” were or weren’t true, especially since you prefer to waffle on that. I’d ask you what “facts” i’ve claimed that weren’t true, but then I know that people like you like to act like you’re the judge on whether or not our experiences are valid or not
Do you think I should surrender my judgement to “people like you” instead? I don’t think so because I have to be responsible for my own judgement. People like you. People like me. People like us.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNcjWdHD6GQ)
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Duck,
I see you like to nitpick certain statements and base your argument on those statements alone.
For instance, I did say, “You simply don’t get it, and I don’t think you want to get it. But I also said, “The posts that discuss race primarily come from experience, what we lived through as a PoC in America. Most likely what Abagond went through is similar to what other PoC have gone through more or less.” And that was in just one paragraph alone. Why was the rest discounted in your explanation?
Then you responded to the beginning my next paragraph with a mock-ebonic statement. It’s a common thing those with racist mindsets do, and by doing so, they also stereotype a certain people, in your case, black people.
Moving on, you continued: “Regardless of whatever images you think I have, I’m well aware that there are victims and criminals in all races. Therefore, my only “interpretation” is based on the evidence.”
But from what I’ve seen with comments alone, whites seem to be more worthy of being referred to as victims while blacks have no reason or right to do so. On the other hand, you will identify with them being criminals and jerks in a heartbeat.
If you truly believe there are victims and criminals of all races, then you wouldn’t discount any testimonies from black people or any other PoC for that matter the instant you read or hear it.
Ace, I hope you don’t mind me responding to his comments directed at you.
The bottom line, the same line that’s been mentioned time and time again, is that black people don’t want to be treated as “special” victims. How is explaining and expressing their experiences with racism is the same as being asked to be treated special? Black people simply want to be treated with the same rights and privileges as whites who take theirs for granted. Yet, to you, that’s too much to ask. Somehow, to you that means that we want to be given the royal treatment.
Finally, you think that just by listening to what PoC go through dealing with racism is surrendering your judgment? Seriously? Why should your “judgment” matter than that of Ace, Abagond or myself? Why should our stories concerning our bouts with racism be discounted?
Even if you think it’s complaining, that doesn’t and shouldn’t make it any less important to have it acknowledged. Like I said in another post, you’re more concerned about this blog “trashing white people” as opposed to learning, confronting and conversing about the racism they deal unto us which always have a negative effect on PoC.
And PoC have every right to express their pain even if it hurts you. It’s not about you here. It’s about us.
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@duckduckgoofs:
“And then most people will still try to claim they were “innocent victims”. You know, the way you guys did with Trayvon and Blueford…”
Ok. Now tell me what crimes those two were committing when they were killed? What was their crime when they were shot dead? What crimes they had been found guilty? How many times they had been convicted of a crime? How many times they had been arrested, convicted and sentenced to jail or prison?
And this time, show us the descicions of courts. Not your opinions. Not your theories. Just stone cold hard facts. No explanation is requied. Just the proof of their criminality as the law demands.
And I assume you have no problem to come up with their criminal history since you know that they were not “innocent victims”.
So, please. Show us all what crime those two were committing when they were shot dead. Tell us all what crimes they had done in the past. And no wiggling or excuses this time, my friend. You MUST know they were criminals, since you implied that they were guilty, not “innocent victims”. Thank you very much.
PS. If you can not come up with any hard documented proof of their criminality, I think you have shown yourself to be just another racist BS artist.
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@ Duck,
I think you accuse people of exactly what you are. You know this to be true, admit it. You get a kick from it.
“Pardon me, but you sound kind of racist.”
Hahaha, again accusing me of what you are. You are so “kind of racist” you are blinded by it. The worst racists are those ppl that are and think they are not.
Look I have read countless responses of you invalidating the views of the majority black people on this blog, it is consistent.
You might say it is NOT racist but the consistency shows. You reject black views, you accept(or more importantly remain silent to) white views.
In terms of whites being hypocrites, don’t even try and defend it. The WHOLE non-white race knows WHITE people are the biggest hypocrites on the planet, COUNTLESS written records from the very first people whites encountered who at first thought they were “What you see is what you get” but learnt later that “what you saw” was an act. The consistency is there. Even today MOST non-whites will attest to that view.
I might aswell save you the hassle duck, both of us are like oil and water. Let us just agree to disagree. We all know you don’t want to face the enormous amount of ancestral guilt you have pent up inside you.
As a side note, I admire your expertise at dodging and deflecting, if you were a boxer you’d make Muhammad Ali look like a school boy. That’s a compliment.
Finally, to answer your question:
“Are you saying others aren’t entitlted to an opinion?”
No sir. In fact I like reading your opinions, everytime I do, it re-affirms what I think, which is that abagond is spot on about white culture.
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@ brothawolf I see you like to nitpick certain statements and base your argument on those statements alone.
When you write me a book don’t expect me to address every single point. And when Ace is writing me a book, too, there’s just no way.
Then you responded to the beginning my next paragraph with a mock-ebonic statement.
When you make an issue of me saying “dealio” how can I not answer in ebonics?
But from what I’ve seen with comments alone, whites seem to be more worthy of being referred to as victims while blacks have no reason or right to do so. On the other hand, you will identify with them being criminals and jerks in a heartbeat.
Yeah, poor little trayvon only wanted to beat the shit out of mean ole racist zimmerman. And poor little blueford was only pointing a gun at the mean ole racist officer. And then the little black children were murdered in cold blood!!! Who are you kidding? That’s not what happened.
The bottom line, the same line that’s been mentioned time and time again…
This is kind of what I think is going on.
http://www.hoover.org/publications/hoover-digest/article/7727
Even if you think it’s complaining, that doesn’t and shouldn’t make it any less important to have it acknowledged.
You don’t seem like the worst guy in the world. But I don’t have time to answer the rest because I’m tired, don’t really care and will probably say something mean.
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@ Sam
Do finnish courts typically prosecute corpses?
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@brothawolf
>To go even deeper, what does it mean to be ‘white’ to the white commenters?
means getting sunburnt for one thing, other than that, couldn’t rightly say
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@ everyone
I dropped out of the conversation last night when it tuned into a “people of colour deserve to die” thread.
Aren’t you tired of fighting rationally with white racists who come here EVERYDAY, on a black blog, just to antagonize? We can’t have not one place of our own to discuss pertinent issues concerning our people.
It doesn’t matter how much you pick apart their reasoning and try to patiently explain why their theory has no merit…they’ll pretend they never heard you and keep talking about why you’re inferior, bad and need to be killed off.
I’ve come to the revelation that most whites in AmeriKlan hate people of colour. We took something from them. Whatever that is, I don’t know. Even Yawn, who’s Canadian, comes here once in a blue moon to assure us of his apathy…and he’s a fellow hybrid, which makes his nonchalance…interesting.
White supremacy states that those who won’t join them will perish. WE know that. Being tan/brown/chocolate/mocha we HAVE to know that. Our lives depend on it. What shocks me is, other whites don’t seem to know that. They casually saunter along with their ignorance and apathy and think it’s just a “coloured” problem.
Duck, Circusboy( who’s a latin man…what gives? They hate you too…)and hordes of other racists will race home after a long day…pop open a Bud and settle in their favourite chair with the sole purpose of mental bullying.
Abagond, I know you never stated that whiteness is unique in its evil…so allow me to say something please…
Whiteness=power. Power=Supremacy. Supremacy=evil.
There…I said it!
Big F-ing deal.
I’m tired of this. Mentally and physically. Every thread designed for honest discussion…honest evaluation….destroyed by people who belong somewhere else. Why come here then? Every day?
I’m doing a post on Blackaholics Anonymous…It touches on this very subject.
Even though we’re “inferior” and “lowly” whites can’t seem to get enough of us.
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Perfect Victim …some other touched on points
Must not be a foreigner/ingenious (ty Ace for suggestion)
If a foreigner, must speak perfect (majority language), wear non-traditional clothes, and be fully assimilated, otherwise your loyalty to (insert country here) is questionable. Why do you hate (insert country here) so much? You leave your crappy country and just take jobs, send money home, and you never really want to be apart of (insert country here). Definitely don’t have a accent.
If indigenous, same rules as foreigner. Don’t speak native tongue, never wear native dress unless to amuse spectators in shows, MUST fully assimilate. Don’t talk about past injustice to your people otherwise you are a whiner and probably have a grudge against (insert country here). You have no history or achievements that need to be acknowledge because you had no history until (insert majority race here) came around. You should be grateful and if not you will be made to learn. You need (insert majority race here), they don’t need you.
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@ Duck
One day, I hope your little subnormal brain will be able to grasp the concept that racism actually exists, but that hope is probably in vain. Is it really that logical to you that, rather than racism possibly being a real thing, that instead everyone who talks about it just must be experiencing the exact same delusion as each other (and before you say “NO THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID BOOHOOHOO”, that is what most of your comments have implied)? I doubt you believe that, it’s just that confronting the fact that racism still exists will cast a bad light upon you, and you need to defend your delicate fee fees from the horrible r-word through victim blaming and denial of simple facts.
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@ Deedee
Great comments. Yes, being a foreigner doesn’t “count”, does it?
@ The Noun
Do not be fooled, Duck knows that racism exists…they are the originators of it. This is classic denial and derailment. He’s hoping that we are too dumb to realize.
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@truthbetold
All whites benefit from “White Priviledge.” American, Canadian, Spanish, Jewish, Italian, etc. Just because whites fight with each other, doesn’t negate their whiteness at the same time. As african-americans, we can no longer play that game. We’re digging a deeper hole for ourselves and also making it easier for so-called ethnic whites to continue exploiting our race and culture for their own benefit. Spanish and arab whites play us like suckers all the time, but, a lot of us fall into the trap. Essentially, we target our anger at one group of whites, when in reality, other whites who claim to champion our cause are equally bad or worse. It’s important that we get the bs out of our brains. We suffer because of what we don’t know, not what’s already known…Ditto!
As it relates to victimhood…Majority Rules! Whites have power, therefore, they can bestow value or no value to others however they want. Absolute power creates a “pack mentality” in those that have gained power thru unjust means. In order for whites to maintain power, black people must remain deaf and blind. Placing greater or lesser value on the lives of black people is mental conditioning. If a blackwoman is killed, raped, or abducted…the media hides the story by design. Hiding such cases creates a false perception in the minds of blacks and society in general. Whitewomen are victims of violent crime, therefore, the media focuses more attention on the cases that involve white females because whites are the majority. Also, a lot of people have a goolish mindset when it comes to violence against whitewomen, it’s celebrated in white society. It’s sicker than sick. I don’t believe the right is white argument. White media makes a big fuss about missing whitewomen because it sells…Bottomline! Hollywood helped create this insanity with all of the horror flicks over the years. Typical, naive white female is killed in all kinds of ways on film, and it’s celebrated in the culture…Insanity!
Tyrone
MindScape
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@tyrone I’m sorry , but that was a well dressed load of poop.
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@dave
If you’re offended, that’s okay. I’ve dealt with your kind before dave, Nothing New! Obviously, i struck a nerve. If my thoughts didn’t make sense, you wouldn’t have attacked me…Ditto! I made a lot of sense, therefore, you marginalize my intelligence. dave, Tyrone is a free blackman, don’t insult my intelligence? I know how the game is played better than you do…Real Talk! I made you blink…LOL!
Tyrone
MindScape
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@ Tyrone
Thanks for that detailed explanation.
I’m writing a post called “I Saw It” in the next fews days that touches on that very argument of white women as victims.
I just needed to vent my frustration; I’m tired of not having a safe place to talk to my people.
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@ dave
Then why are you here, with us, addressing the poop?
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@deedee
I co-sign Truthbetold – great observations
If indigenous, same rules as foreigner. Don’t speak native tongue, never wear native dress unless to amuse spectators in shows, MUST fully assimilate.
Totally true this one. A lot of my Asian friends said they used to feel ashamed when they were ‘caught’ out wearing their salwar kameez outside of school. This was in no small part from people saying to them ‘why you wearing pyjamas/p*ki clothes?
Another thing is, if you have a ‘foreign’ sounding name, be ready to have it anglicised whether you like it or not..
(scrunched up face) “What?”, “whats your name mate?” “F*ck that, i’ll call you Ali, thats nice and easy to remember”
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@ Demerera
Many foreign born/ mixed race/ “other religion” folks do that, ie Jackie Chan, Maggie Q, Charlie Sheen, Winona Ryder and too many to list. All in the name of whiteness. That’s why I admire Chiwetel Ejiofor…..
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@ duckduckgoofs,
I feel slightly ill after reading your comments. I hope that someday in the future, when a historian is studying about race relations in this century, the person will come across this blog archived somewhere, and see what you have written.
The narrative you are all attempting to create is an example of the lengths people who think like you will go to preserve the status quo. This kind of thinking and reasoning also leads to a disregard for the sanctity of human life, and makes it easy to brutalize, abuse, harm, oppress, and even kill those whom you have deemed as less worthy. There is no rationale to your way of thinking, and you are just proving what Abagond, and so many others here are saying about the practice of White Supramacy. When you devalue others you also devalue yourself, and in mainstream culture it is reflected in the mass media where images of violence and death abound. There is an uptick in violent crime, a war on women and children, and other problems such as drug abuse, rape, murder, and robbery, to name a few. It is not just a problem of POC committing these crimes, but a commonality in this culture because of the underlying principles on which this country was founded, and continues to function accordingly. The U.S. was founded on violence, vigilante justice, enslavement of other humans, and genocide. I have seen in other countries and cultures how this has played out, and within those cultures a concept of white skin/light skin, equals superior status.
@ Mamzer KaHodesh
One of my earliest childhood recollections, is seeing numerous emaciated dead bodies being pilled into mass graves in a black and white film about the Holocost. I studied under a Rabbi to get a better understanding of the Jewish people and the unique history of the Jews.
One of the textbooks I had for the class stated in the opening paragraph that “the Jews were believed to be nomadic people originating from somewhere near Ethiopa.” I learned the difference between what defined Ashkenazic, and Sephardic Jews. My firm belief is that before and during the Holocost Jews were seen as outsiders and POC by Europeans, and all the prejudices applied. I believe the reason why there was such hatred for Jewish people is because they were POC. So often during slavery, when White Supramacy disguised as Christianity was used to keep the slaves in line, most slaves identified with the struggles of the Jewish people. In todays world throught DNA testing, it has been substatiated that there are/were Jews throughout all of Africa. When I am walking through my old Uni and I see a banner about a lecture to be given by a scholar about Jewish/African roots, that tells me something. What Abagond was talking about was that the perception of European Jews as white, as the reason why the Holocost is taken more seriously. There was a man by the name of James Cameron, who might be of interest to you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Black_Holocaust_Museum
Yet the Holocost that James Cameron refers to was not taken so seriously. Why is that?
I think that you are uniquely situated to be able to understand and bring clarity to issues facing both Black people, and Jewish people. Why not start with viewing the information here and seeing where this applies to your experience, and where there are similarities between both groups of people in the struggle against oppression?
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@ Anonymous
Duck isn’t interested in education. Only amusement. Remember Bliff? Same thing.
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@duckduckgoofs:
“Do finnish courts typically prosecute corpses?”
No, but you do, so I assume you have something to back up your claims. Right?
And since these two guys were not “innocent” in your eyes, I just asked you to provide some proof that they were not innocent, that they were criminals you claime they were.
Or do you try to say that you just think that n*****s are criminals and that is the reason why these two were criminals, or do you have their rap sheets or convictions or anything to back up your claims?
Or was I right when I called you BS artist?
This should be very easy for you. All you need to do is show us all the criminal history of these two killed guys and thus prove that you are right when you call them criminals who just got what was coming. That is all I ask. Show us why these two dead young men were criminals.
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“Duck isn’t interested in education. Only amusement. Remember Bliff? Same thing.”
Yes totally right. I think it is amusing to him. He is able to derive pleasure from our suffering. Very sado masochistic.
He gets power through engagement. If he were simply to be ignored, he’d lose all his power, probably throw a huge tantrum in the process aswell.
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@duckduckgoofs
…And then the little black children were murdered in cold blood!!! Who are you kidding? That’s not what happened….
Yeah cos this would NEVER happen right?
Depravity knows no ends does it! Instead of sticking to the two appalling crimes that have been discussed about at length, your comment seems almost to be waiting in anticipation for the next murder(s) to happen.
FFS, think about this for a moment will you. The feelings surrounding Trayvon and Blueford are still so raw for many.
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Duck,
You said, “When you write me a book don’t expect me to address every single point. And when Ace is writing me a book, too, there’s just no way.”
You could’ve addressed every single point, but you CHOSE not to. Not that I care really. In fact I expected it, somewhat.
Then, you said, “When you make an issue of me saying “dealio” how can I not answer in ebonics?”
Again, it was your CHOICE. No one on this blog spoke to you in that fashion. So, why mock us in that speak? A plausible explanation would be that you really don’t take us seriously especially when we disagree with everything you’ve been taught.
Furthermore: “Yeah, poor little trayvon only wanted to beat the shit out of mean ole racist zimmerman. And poor little blueford was only pointing a gun at the mean ole racist officer. And then the little black children were murdered in cold blood!!! Who are you kidding? That’s not what happened.”
The real question is who are YOU kidding? You want to find any reason, real or fake, to justify their murders and the murders of other black people by police. Then, you will try to deny that you hold any bias in favor of those killings. So, who are YOU trying to kid?
Finally you finished off by saying, “You don’t seem like the worst guy in the world. But I don’t have time to answer the rest because I’m tired, don’t really care and will probably say something mean.”
First of all, thanks. Second of all, it may be a good idea to just drop it altogether. Don’t you think?
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Speaking of (im)perfect victims – and cold blooded murder:
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@ Truthbetold
I got tired of fighting people like that a long time ago. I know it won’t lead anywhere, which is why I just don’t bother. I don’t comment a lot and often only read. When I scroll down to read others’ comments and see it peppered with familiar trolls’ names, I roll my eyes and close the browser window.
I know for others it can be difficult to resist arguing, but you know that even when you win, you lose because they’re not listening and they’ve already got their views carved in a diamond slab. They are only here to irritate: acting like they floated down on a cloud from the heavens to deliver the irrefutable truth and we should be flattered they thought of us since we’re so unworthy of their presence.
The only place on this blog that is truly safe from this bollocks is the thread on people’s first experience of racism.
@ Deedee7789
Excellent point. If you’re a foreigner and a POC it is difficult to fall under the definition of the perfect victim.
@ Demerera
YES a thousand times. While I did not have a `foreign’ sounding first name I definitely got a lot of unnecessary badgering about my surname. Then all the mail where people had anglicised and/or butchered it believing it can’t possibly be a real surname of someone living in the UK.
Today, I still expect it to be mocked at least once when I pop back to Europe. Once it happened the moment they saw it at passport control.
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white – ERROR
defenceless – check
innocent – check
not a victim of White American power – check
defenseless?? wrong he attacked a grown man
innocent false he had extensive school & juvenile record
this is not a black blog and if it is that is entirely racist in itself.
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@truthbetold
Appreciate the feedback. It’s very important that we debunk the “Victimized White Female” argument that is inherent in society. The fundamental point that i was trying to get across to dave and others, is that, “Whitewomen Ain’t Got It Like That.” As it relates to the media and white society crawling over each other to cover the latest missing white female. From a black person’s perspective, It’s Creepy! Giving attention to one race of women as it relates to violence is strange to me. Blackwomen deal with the same ish, but, we’re led to believe that it’s not as bad for sistas…Bulls**t! The slippery slope that whitewomen have created for themselves, is that, they’ve made themselves and each other targets of sick men on this planet. What woman would want to be a white female right now, as it relates to violence and exploitation of women in general? Why i say all of this? “Race Decoded” is what i strive for on this blog and other blogs. Challenging conventional wisdom is a life and death proposition in my mind. Those who lack “logical thinking” don’t survive on this planet…Ditto! Fundamental Point…Whites placing more value on their lives is expediting their destruction…Reverse Logic! If my life as a black person is not valued, Why should i value the lives of others who are not of my tribe? Truth, stay true!!!
Tyrone
Free Aquarius
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@ circusboy
Yet mainstream TV, newsarticles and educational programming isn’t racist? Your argument is laughable. Mainstream America is white-oriented due to the fact the whiteness is the default. And let’s be honest, when the default depicts another group, it has the ability to debase that group that is unlike them. That’s why BET became what it became. And why the history book are written the way they are.
When most whites see a “black based” program, blog, article, show. magazine, they cry racism!! “NO fair!!!” They, like you, do not understand that they are the ones being represented in this country. So we, as coloureds, try to find a more honest representation of who and what we are.
Understand?
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@anonymous
Whites have been blinded by their own stupidity for so long, they don’t see what’s creeping up in their rearview. From an early age, i saw the cracks in the armor. Whites fighting with each other as if they were from different planets…Observation! White spaniards and arabs not wanting to assimilate into american culture, Why? If they hate each other so much…They’re Doomed! The epic battle is between white folk, not black v. white. All of the bloodshed that we see is a result of white self-hatred manifested on a global scale. Whites have been at war with each other from day one…Ditto!
Tyrone
MindScape
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@ Tyrone
You read my mind:
http://diaryofanegress.com/2012/05/17/hes-got-betty-davis-eyes/
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if whites are so stupid why do we run everything?? why is any nation with all black leadership starving or asking for international aide.
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Abagond,
Circusboy seems obsessed with the Trayvon Martin case as he has brought it here to try to derail this post.
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@Bulanik: Sasha Baron Cohen has a knack for lampooning ethnic groups no one really gives a toss about. West Asians simply aren’t on the list of “people we should pretend to avoid lampooning,” so it’s safe for him. Dress him up in blackface and his schtick doesn’t seem as funny anymore. Thanks for opening my eyes to that fact.
@Iris:
The fact that these people return to the blog day in and day out like dogs to vomit tells me all there is to know about them. They get a sick thrill out of “rattling our cages” with their special blend of BS.
I respect Abagond’s motives for letting these flies buzz around. Every word they utter is only confirmation of Abagond’s arguments.
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@ Mack lyons
These people believe what they are saying. They must…their lives depend on it.
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@brothawolf
>To go even deeper, what does it mean to be ‘white’ to the white commenters?
To be considered “responsible” for things I have absolutely no control over.
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@ Abagond
“The last one counts as a check because most Americans do not understand how their country has screwed up Africa. But at a three these children need someone to push their case.”
South and Central America, yes. Africa, no. Africa was screwed up by the European powers before America was more than a third rate country, especially by the French.
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the only one who screwed up africa is the black people there who sold their natural resources int\stead of exploiting them themselves, nobody to blame but other black africans (you can be white or chinese and be an african)
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@ Iris
“If the incident involves the police, they also have to present themselves in a way that the majority of White people deem `innocent.’ e.g. If a Black person gets shot by the police and they are dressed like a `thug’, they are not a perfect victim.
My family in the UK has experienced this. One of my family members styles herself in the same way as people that are assumed to be troublemakers. At night, a man attempted to rape her. She was crying and hitting him. Two policemen rounded the corner, told the man to go home and arrested her. She resisted, they pressed charges”
That was so horrible Iris! Sorry to hear about that.
Just 5 days ago while i was still on a short trip, in my paternal grandparent’s house in the States, i heard a similar story.
One of my cousin’s co-workers acquaintances’ girlfriend (black) almost had a similar experience but fortunately, there were two witnesses who came to her rescue, and testified against the “White monster”, he was arrested by the police and given the rightful punishment.
We were told by my cousin that his co-worker’s acquaintance said that it was only God who knew what he would have done to that monster, who was well known in the neigbourhood if he had gotten away with it; because he is aware of horrible experiences of women especially black women, and his girlfriend happens to be one.
We’re grateful it happened that way, and the guy didn’t get himself into trouble; although his girlfriend remained traumatized.
_ MK82
@Yawn
“Oh god no, because then you’d need to include every single thing anyone of any nation and colour has done because we all know human ignorance towards others is not tied to one race alone.”
Great way to walk away from the point, we are not talking about ignorance here, we are talking ABOUT WHITE SUPREMACY: noen of the examples I have provided originate from ignorance, they were intentially though out and plan with the foundation that a white lfe is worth more than a person of colors…the only ignorant person here is YOU~~~
YOU CAN SAY IT LOUDER MK82!
I might be wrong but from his/her screen name (Yawn); i can deduce that he is Asian. I repeat: “i might be wrong.”
And if he/she’s a racial minority person; he/she can not tell me that he has never encountered WHITE SUPREMACY!
Unless he/she’s in Asia; where Asian institutions, ideas, fashion, integrated business concerns etc are conventional.
To make things short, where whiteness represents the norm.
Whiteness, I don’t even know why i used that word because whiteness is the state of being unsullied by sin or moral wrong; lacking a knowledge of evil.
Qualities that almost all of them, lack.
@ wilson
“The whole idea of perfect victim is a white idea. This helps them sleep better at night when they do something bad since they can rationalize it away as “they needed it since they aren’t perfect”. So for example, they could go and enslave ppl, commit genocide because those other ppl weren’t White, weren’t civilized, weren’t christian, were savages etc………………………………
Guess who gets to define PERFECT? You guessed it, THEM.
I’d also add that, it is due to their psychological disorder of “Striving for perfections” that this world is in cistern, because right from the beginning they have always created barrier amongst people of the human race.
Jews weren’t, perhaps i should use the present continuous tense because it still exist till date, Non christians are not perfect, blacks and other minorities aren’t perfect, beauty is not in the eye of the beholder; beauty is what they have defined to be beautiful; being apparently different from them is a sort of malfunction, blah,blaaaah,bla. bla. blah!
According to psychology: “people move in the direction that is opposite to the direction they want to avoid the the most. This means that the person who strives for perfection usually does it because he is not feeling perfect.
People who strive for perfection do it to hide their own flaws and to escape from being evaluated. After all if they did everything perfectly then they will not give a chance for anyone to evaluate them.
Perfectionists or the people who strive for perfection feel that they are somehow defective and that’s why they do their best to prevent people from digging behind them.”
I don’t think that their obsession with perfection will ever come to an end.
“Good one duck, I look forward to your further elucidation of what we should think. Why don’t you cast some of that white light on our dark souls”
That really made me laugh out loud!
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The Only One Who Screwed Up Africa Is The Black People There Who Sold Their Natural Resources Int\stead Of Exploiting Them Themselves, Nobody To Blame But Other Black Africans (You Can Be White Or Chinese And Be An African)
Who takes a self-admitted clown seriously, seriously? You are a clown in more ways than one.
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[…] victim” that took place in the wake of the Trayvon Martin shooting. According to Abagond, a perfect victim is “the victim of a crime or wrongdoing who has nothing ‘wrong’ […]
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[…] perfect victim […]
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Otto Warmbier?
My feeling is that the other Americans (of Korean descent) not yet released are not perfect victims.
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Abagond this is Christi I apologize for writing a racist’s comment on white woman tears I sincerely apologize for that.but recently I seen a commercial on help feeding the Holocaust victims I have no problem feeding anyone but why is it the Holocaust count and not forgotten but slavery should be forgotten so again why should I waste my time on the Holocaust when my people were victimized the most.these are people who can careless about blk people it hurt my heart for too see such of a commercial I just didn’t know what to think I been wanting to know all my life what is it that whites hates blk people so much their privilege and white supremacist ways and if blk person even speak up for there people they find ways to bring them down.i applaud your site love reading cause you talk about situations other people want dare to do they find no problems with what’s going on in America.
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