Aiyana Stanley Jones (c. 2003-2010) was a seven-year-old girl shot dead by the Detroit police in a military-style raid on her home in the middle of the night. This was at 4054 Lillibridge in east Detroit at 12:40 am on Sunday May 16th 2010. The police were looking for a murder suspect, who it seems they later found in the upstairs flat of the house.
Her father said he put her to bed on his mother’s couch, covering her with her favourite blanket and then went to bed. The next thing he knows there is a loud bang and then a gun shot. He ran to the living room to protect his daughter. She was on fire. Before he could reach her the police stopped him and made him lay down on the floor, face down in his daughter’s blood.
Her grandmother was in the living room when the flash grenade came through the window and hit Aiyana. It went off with a big flash and a bang. Aiyana caught on fire; the police burst in and the grandmother threw herself across Aiyana. Then:
They blew my granddaughter’s brains out. They killed her right before my eyes. I watched the light go out of her eyes. I seen it.
The police say that the grandmother either bumped them or put up a fight which made their gun go off, shooting the girl in the neck or the head. As if we are supposed to believe the police have guns that go off by accident.
People on the street said 20 policemen showed up for the raid and in spite of toys in front of the house and people shouting that there were children inside, the police proceeded with their raid.
A&E, the television channel, has been following the Detroit police for months for their show “The First 48” about the first 48 hours of murder cases. They had at least two cameramen there filming. It was worse than even the family knew: after the policeman threw the grenade through the window he fired his gun into the house, shooting on unarmed men, women and children! Their little story blaming the grandmother was a lie.
Throwing a flash grenade into a house full of people in the middle of the night to storm it with guns drawn to take someone is the kind of thing American soldiers did in Iraq against a military enemy. And now the Detroit police apparently thinks it is all right to use on black people too.
Drive a half hour east of Aiyana’s house and you are in Grosse Pointe Park, an upper-middle-class suburb that is 93% white. Somehow I find it hard to imagine the police doing this stuff to the good white people there in their nice houses.
This is more than a tragedy, this is more than a “mistake” – how many times have we heard that! No, someone gave the orders to do it this way with complete disregard for innocent lives.
R.I.P., Aiyana. I know you are with the angels.
– Abagond, 2010.
Update (2015): Unlike many such cases, this went to trial, but after two hung juries, in 2013 and 2014, charges were dropped in 2015 against Officer Joseph Weekly, in the “interest of justice”.
See also:
Abagond 
Please, include a link to this story!!
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: ( am speechless..
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I saw on the front page of MSN news yesterday.
I cried.
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Omg, what a horrible thing to have happened! What the police did was absolutely unnecessary and look at the cost. An innocent’s blood was spilled. The poor grandmother. I’m so sorry for the family’s loss. My prayers & condolences go out to them at this time. Aiyana, you will always be in the hearts of many. RIP sweet child. 😦
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“To protect and serve.”
Fail.
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This story has brought tears to my eyes. Thats all I can say for now.
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No words to describe it. To just kill an innocent child, do these people have hearts?
RIP Aiyana. Your family needs all the strength and will and faith now.
Just a sidenote:
the kind of thing American soldiers did in Iraq against a military enemy.
… and civilians. But let’s not derail the subject.
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I’m looking at Aiyana’s pic again, and seeing her beautiful smile knowing what happened to her is heartbreaking.
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Baby…she was a baby.
This is bullshit.
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I’m reminded of Obama’s comments on the Henry Louis Gates affair, and how he was roundly attacked by conservatives for not unconditionally supporting the police. Those people need to read stories like this for some perspective.
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Very sad story. Unfortunately, I hear alot of people asking why the family was hiding a fugitive in their home and excusing the police. Since we do not have the entire story, I will hold back on prejudging what happened except to say that it is always tragic when a child dies unnecessarily.
RIP Aiyana.
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The family was not hiding a fugitive – he lived in the upstairs apartment. It is one of those houses with an upstairs and downstairs flat. I lived in a place like that once – the people downstairs had very little idea what I was up to other than what I subscribed to and who my girlfriends were.
Further he is merely a SUSPECT. If you watch the show “The First 48” you will find that the police are OFTEN WRONG!!!!
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this is just ridiculous…the story doesn’t even make sense. what an unecessary tragedy. the police should be sued and held accountable for this foolishness. Then the lying on top of that…someone needs to get a human rights attorney or something
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also even if the little ole grandma did fight back (which i highly doubt) you don’t shoot someone and a little girl for someone fighting back like that unless its a physical threat, i hardly think she posed a threat…that is excessive force right there…seriously
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this is sick and unfair. how can the police kill a little girl like that when the grandmother was trying to save her? but once again it’s a mistake. i guess oscar grant was a mistake, i guess the guy from new york who was supposed to get married was a mistake. man fuck that. they know and we know it wasn’t a mistake. the police use that statement as a damn excuse all the time and it’s always a black person. and then they wonder why N.W.A did a song called “fuck the police”. sorry for the language but it’s sick and sad how innocent lives are taken for no reason. the little girl didn’t get the chance to grow up and live her life. my heart goes to her parents and may she rest in peace.
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May 13th was the 25th anniversary of the bombing of the MOVE house in which 5 children along with 6 adults were burned to death.
This police action was thought up by the Police Commissioner and condoned by the Mayor with the advice of the Managing Director, who had been a General in the military. I didn’t think there was any serious effort to remove the children or to seek another solution. MOVE was a Black Liberation group and the final decision makers were Black.
Since the police have began to use Military tactics to fight the “War on Drug”, I think they have forgotten their public mission. Too many of these incidents have happened. They may be influenced by returning veterans or some are military wanabees. Why would it be necessary to use a flash grenade to arrest a suspect? Why would they even have such weapons? Some aspects of their behavior are racist, but it is spilling over in other neighborhoods. Having a combat attitude, can see only the enemy and the enemy is non-human. Unfortunately children are always part of civilian casualties.
May peace come to be with the family.
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Sad, sad, fucking sad man! If that was my girl I would go mental.
The rozzers need to stop recruiting trigger-happy fascist idiots straight off the playstation.
…this is a world-wide issue by the way…
People expect PROFESSIONS which involve a lot of responsibility for human lives such as MDs and aircraft pilots to be absolutely flawless. When it comes to coppers however, it seems like collateral damage is almost expected – “Well, those guys need to shoot sometimes, don’t they?”
Unfortunately it seems like the majority is still that type of people that grasp for excuses or look away when their tax money gets wasted on police incompetence but are always the quickest to shout “socialism” when public initiatives are suggesting constructive ways of improving the system.
There’s too much complacency out there.
Condolences to the family.
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Abagond wrote:
“No, someone gave the orders to do it this way with complete disregard for innocent lives.”
There is copious evidence that white policemen don’t need orders as long as the “innocent lives” are “innocent black lives”.
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I was so appalled when I read this yesterday, and the blaming of the victim thing sickens me but does not surprise me people who did not read the full story saying “they shouldn’t have been habouring a fugitive anyway.” WTF they were not! The suspect lived above them.
I am disgusted but not surprised, this is why the song “Fuck the police” will never get old
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With regard to:
“Unfortunately, I hear alot of people asking why the family was hiding a fugitive in their home and excusing the police. Since we do not have the entire story, I will hold back on prejudging what happened except to say that it is always tragic when a child dies unnecessarily”
Forgive me especially with the horrible nature of this story.
Here we go again, the same ‘mindset’ but operating on a different level but nevertheless with the same ‘outcome’
ie the lack of ability to attach ‘appropriate blame’ at the ‘instigators of racism’, in this instance the police. Consequently an opinion has to be reserved, since it is very difficult to complete the usual reflex action of ‘blame the victim’.
Notwithstanding the assumption that the raison d’etre behind the story is based upon a ‘fugitive’
It would be of interest to know who are these people you are reffering to, and what class and/or race they belong to?
When you go on to say:
‘I hear a lot of people asking why the family was hiding a fugitive in their home??’
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I watched the family’s press conference yesterday. It was very sad and made me very angry. Locally on radio shows and in the newspapers a lot of people (mostly non-Detroiters)are blaming the family. The “liberal” response is it’s a tragedy and these things happen and let’s move on while the “conservative” response is to say tough s***, they probably deserved it. There seem to be very few non-Detroiters who unambiguously place the blame on the police. Evidently the cop who pulled the trigger has been in trouble before.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100519/METRO01/5190352/Cop-in-Aiyana-shooting-helped-needy-kids–sued-for-earlier-raid
Also per Fieger (the family’s lawyer) there is a videotape that shows that the shot came from outside the house.
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@ Aiyo:
Co-sign.
@ Hathor & Dahoman X:
I think this operation was way too military and I think the police lost sight of that fact because it was “only” black people who stood to be hurt or killed. I do get this feeling that the police think black lives are expendable.
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A beautiful life lost so tragically. I hate to imagine that same sh*t could happen to my children while visiting their relatives in the US.
Totally unrelated: Abagond I love your blog. Mola akuonekanie na asante sana!
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This puts a lump in my throat. I sincerely hope that the police are held accountable, and unfortunately for the family I think this will entirely depend on the competence of whatever lawyer they have, and that of course it will be in a civil proceeding. The police department certainly won’t establish justice on their own; I’d guess that the local D.A. will stay away or find a slap-on-the-wrist charge (if the D.A. finds any criminal aspect to how the police acted–it’s all about political moves imo anyway).
There is no way I’d live in Detroit, let along the State of Michigan, or for that matter any other major metropolitan area in the U.S. Police overstepping. corruption, gang battles, daily shootings. This is not a way to live and raise kids. I feel very badly for those who do not have the ability to get the h*ll out.
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truly sick…made the father lay in his child’s blood. Blatant disregard for humanity.
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This is truly sad. A tragedy…
One would think with the technology available to law enforcement today, they would already (or SHOULD) already know where occupants are inside the house: such as child in living room, etc…
I am not defending teh police, for I think they were in too much of a “rush” both physically and mentally to catch the “bad guy” that they simply didn’t follow a safer protocol where the family was involved. In addition, I will add that my experience in the Military and handling firearms has taught me accidents do happen: Moreso in real time situations where you are not in a “controlled environment”. If you have your finger on the trigger, you’re going into the house where you expect to be shot at, you’re trying to identify the target, you get shoved, hit, trip, stumble, pulled, pushed – a shot could inadvertently be fired. I honestly don’t believe any officer of the law would kill a child on purpose in such a manner.
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@ Phoenix
I hate cops too (for the most part) and I’m White. I’ve been treated like shit too. I can only imagine if I was Black in some of those instances.
It seems these officers are in need of “remedial training” for sure. And I agree, why isn’t the media making a bigger deal about this? WTF ?!!!
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The police say that the grandmother either bumped them or put up a fight which made their gun go off, shooting the girl in the neck or the head. As if we are supposed to believe the police have guns that go off by accident.
This is supposed to make us feel better? That cops can barge into our houses whenever they like, with weapons that are set to such hair-trigger sensitivity that an old lady bumping them can make them go off?
Gee, thanks guys. I feel safer already.
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With regard to:
‘I honestly don’t believe any officer of the law would kill a child on purpose in such a manner’.
Realistically, I do…
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@ J
You really do? I’ve been all over the world: Primarily Middle East, Europe and South America. I could see this happening in many other countries OTHER than the U.S.
I am not naive by any means. I’ve been exposed to atrocities and horrors most Americans only see in movies. If I had any idea (in this day & age) that a man would kill a child just because they could, who has sworn to protect and serve the public: Look out, because I’m about to become Vigilante #1. I have zero tolerance for abuse and mistreatment of children in any form.
I see this as an accident. And like Thad said, (to paraphrase) “If these idiots have the right to barge into my house in the manner with which they did, I don’t feel very safe at all.”
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If you read the Shady Grady link you will find out that this very same policeman who killed Aiyana has pointed his gun at children before, even at a baby!! What on earth for!?
He is white by the way. He has been a policeman for 14 years so he is no rookie. They have not fired him – just put him behind a desk for now.
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Oh yes, I do believe it ColorofLub!!
I have seen such an incidence over here with Charles de Menezes the Brazilian shot 11 times in the head at close range and in public, on the tube by undercover police officers.
One of the eyewitness to the event said, ‘Why did he have to run??’ Almost as if to absolve the officers of this heinous crime.
Here is another example of the ‘mindset’ that I had alluded to earlier.
Where people can identify injustices they can only identify it in some ‘repressive Third World countries’ – but never on their own doorsteps, with the ramification, that they will always find some ‘justification’ to support an arm of ‘state’. And in essence they will never see the need to ‘challenge’ the injustices, because they do not see anything ‘wrong’ with ‘things’ at a fundamental level. Here read that the system sufficiently rewards them more than enough to even entertain such a thought
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@ Abagond, what on earth is a person who has pointed a gun at a baby still doing in the police force? sad.
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I wonder, is there something that can be done to prevent this sort of things- or at least to make (white) people more aware of what’s going on?
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@ Abagond
I’ll read that link. If that is true, then this guy is a Menace to Society and should be relieved of duty.
I’m trying to get a mental visual on this: A Detroit Police Department that is racially integrated with officers of all backgrounds, a Black Mayor, First ever Black Woman Police Chief, with Black population of Detroit that can make or break their careers – and they “allowed” this White cop to continue his professional career?
Something is just not adding up here.
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I have been lurking for awhile, and thought now is as good as any to participate more fully.
Regularly, people mention that there are POC within the department/system and that this somehow changes the nature of the situation or should. I think this is due to a limited understanding of what racism is. Racism is a system. It is set up by the dominant group, but maintained by more than just the oppressors. As someone might have mentioned, the oppressed tend to identify with their oppressors more than their fellows, especially when representing the system (and this country was founded on a system of racism, sexism, classism, and other -isms). Hence POC very often remove themselves from other POC and try to re-create themselves as, in the case of the cops, blue, as opposed to brown, and even working class. They then work to maintain the system of oppression and what little benefit they attain from it.
Changing the color of the players does very little, when in order for those POC to attain the positions they must play the game as it already exist, and hence maintain the racist structure.
I hope that made sense.
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Hi Col O’ the day
I don’t have time to find the link right now but the Detroit Police Department has been under federal oversight for at least the past decade or more for shoddy investigative work and excessive violence (not just shootings) towards civilians.
The Department and City are predominantly (though not exclusively black). Unfortunately because sometimes folks put too much emphasis on just getting black faces in high places, the relatively high rate of civilian shootings or assaults by police has not as of yet engendered the sort of response that it would if more of the officers or political backers involved were white, instead of black.
In addition, my hypothesis is that the incredibly high unemployment rate and crime rate in the city also has a paralyzing impact on political activism.
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@ dedgurlcingztheblooze
It makes sense. Thanks for sharing. By the way, you’re name gave me chills when I read it. Poetic and sad… I really feel for the girl.
I read the link in Shady Grady’s comment. I’m even more perplexed now than before since this person started groups to help children. I then read that this person “allegedly” pointed a gun at children during a raid. I haven’t been able to find any additional details other than the allegations. (Think Devil’s Advocate here.) I’d be better able to judge if I could compare history between accuser and accused to get a more balanced view.
As I’ve said before though, the actions of all these officers involved seems to lead to borderline imcompetence in their approach. I just don’t understand the “M.O.” in this situation at all.
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@ Shady Grady
That makes more sense now. One reason I tend to hate cops in general is that often times “authority” goes to their head.
If the Detroit Police really have that many problems, I can see how this is an abuse of power regardless of it being a Black or White issue. However, The fact that this is not getting played up in the media is ABSOLUTLEY Racist! I am in 100% agreement here. If this had happened to a White family it would be International News. WTF! WTF?! WTF???!!! DAMN…
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@Col O’ day
You know I hadn’t thought about my name in regards to this situation. I have been using it as well as other spelling and shortened variations for several years now. When you pointed that out, I actually had to hold back tears.
Sadly, I doubt this family will receive any justice.
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Disgusting.
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Its very sad indeed.
But you might want to think about what I said many, many times before:
If you choose to commit crime, you are not only putting yourself at risk but everybody around you, including family and friends.
The moral of this sad story is DO NOT COMMIT CRIME, DO NOT HANG AROUND CRIMINALS AND PLEASE FOR GODSAKE PEOPLE.. RAT CRIMINALS OUT!!!! STOP WITH THE “NO SNITCHIN” HORSE-SHIT
Also this guy is a murderer, the police have to do everything in their power to ensure their safety in catching scum like this.
I believe also the Granny interfered with the police, causing the gun to go off…smh
When the police say FREEZE, DO IT!!!!
Trust me, this hero of civil service is probably going through hell of regret as we speak. Nothing will free him of the guilt, he will never be free of it.
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Mira
“the kind of thing American soldiers did in Iraq against a military enemy.
… and civilians. But let’s not derail the subject.”
You are in NO position to judge our great men and women in uniform.
You are nothing but a lowly peon compared to them…bottom line.
The only comparison to this story with whats going on here is that in both cases criminals were being hunted down!!!
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Wow, this is just so so sad. Four posts on racist policing – this one, the mass incarceration one and the two on SB1070 – and people are siding WITH the police.
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Abagond stated
“The police say that the grandmother either bumped them or put up a fight which made their gun go off, shooting the girl in the neck or the head. As if we are supposed to believe the police have guns that go off by accident.”
Yes they do. It’s called an accident. If you need to blame anyone blame the criminal whom the police were hunting. Blame the granny for interfering instead of following police commands.
It’s a tragic situation..one that could’ve been avoided.
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Great White,
Give me a break. “Hero of civil service?” What are you smoking? You kill a child and you’re a hero?
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Abagond stated “Wow, this is just so so sad. Four posts on racist policing – this one, the mass incarceration one and the two on SB1070 – and people are siding WITH the police.”
The Police are heroes, my lost friend.
Just like our men and women of the armed forces.
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Natasha W
Great White,
Give me a break. “Hero of civil service?” What are you smoking? You kill a child and you’re a hero?
Natasha, Police are heroes. They deal with scum on a daily basis that you only experience on TV.
So please, stop with the ‘holier than thou’ routine. This HERO will never be the same after this. He will be in the hell of regret FORVER. DO YOU have any compassion at all?
Just like when I had to smoke a few Iraqis, it’s not anything I wanted to do, I had to do it. I will not forget them.
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@Natasha W
Yep if you are white and kill a child of colour then you are a hero.
Again with blaming the victim, how are you supposed to know that your neighbours are involved with illegal activity? Unless of course you are all up their business
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Great White,
“Police are heroes.”
BS.
The police are not heroes for simply doing their job (and quite terribly, might I add), like everyone else.
“They deal with scum on a daily basis.”
The police, in the main, are scum.
“So please, stop with the ‘holier than thou’ routine.”
You’re the one who is making a hero of someone who murdered a child for no reason at all.
“This HERO will never be the same after this. He will be in the hell of regret FORVER. DO YOU have any compassion at all?”
This has to be one of the most idiotic statements ever made on this blog.
Do you have any compassion? Someone murdered a child and instead of worrying about the family and the life that was taken, you’re worried about the murderer. You’re a piece of work. Please tell me you are just playing dumb, cold, and daft.
“Just like when I had to smoke a few Iraqis, it’s not anything I wanted to do, I had to do it. I will not forget them.”
Of course you won’t. What’s an Iraqi and a black or two anyway?
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@ Great White
I hear what you’re saying, but aren’t you really just trying to ruffle some feathers here and play off of people’s emotions? First, you have to understand that this hits home for A LOT of people, principally A LOT OF Black Americans.
Whether this incident was an accident or not, there have been too many similar ‘unprovoked’ incidents where Black people have been killed.
What happened here seems like a follow the “cookie cutter” plan for staging a raid that could have been avoided. It was standard procedure, right? By the book? BULLCRAP. Maybe a new chapter needs to be added to the book because this could have been handled differently.
How do your Black brothers feel about this? Do they take the same stance as you in your ‘military’ analysis? I am not trying to intentionally offend you, but if I had to make an educated guess, I would say you don’t have many Black brothers in your unit and/or you didn’t serve with many (gettting personal with them on an individual basis.) Which would lead me to believe that you are in a predominantly White Natl Guard unit from a rural area that was ‘Activated’ to go to Iraq.
If you were truly close to your Black brothers serving this country, I’m not sure your responses would be “directed” at certain individuals in this thread they way they so obviously are. ——-Just my $0.02……..
By the way, Thank you for your service. Sincerely.
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“The police “were excited; they were on TV,” said Oak Park attorney Karri Mitchell, who is representing the family of Aiyana Jones. “They didn’t have to throw a grenade through the front window when they knew there were children in there.”
‘Ron Scott, director of the Detroit Coalition Against Police Brutality, said he’s never heard of police using flash grenades while executing search warrants.
“That’s usually done during barricaded gunman situations, but this is the first time I’ve ever heard of them doing it for a search warrant,” Scott said.’
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100517/METRO/5170371/1409/METRO08#ixzz0oP28uMo4
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Very disturbing
Abagond, I dont agree that this post is related to talking about the Arizona law.
Where police racism could be a very negative result in that law, there are very complex issues going on about illegal immigration than just if the police are racist.
There are going to be legal actions people can take in Arizona if there is racist police actions.
I dont apreciete lumping me in with supporting of racist police if you ,in any way , thought that I was arguing for that (which Im not sure if you think that or not)
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Col,
“I hear what you’re saying, but aren’t you really just trying to ruffle some feathers here and play off of people’s emotions? First, you have to understand that this hits home for A LOT of people, principally A LOT OF Black Americans.”
I’m sure the police knowing they were in a black neighborhood aided in their “hastiness” to throw grenades and fire without warning. But the point of the matter is that the police used excessive force in their desire to show off their “toys” for the camera, and a child ended up dead. The cop who killed Aiyana should be held responsible. Being reckless and not taking the proper precautions in such a delicate situation, and then lying about it when you realize the result of your actions is inexcusable.
But knowing how things like this work, the cop will probably get his badge taken away, at best. While civilians who kill a child get life in prison or execution. Like I said on another post, cops are demigods in the US. I know firsthand how the police lie and make it seem as if they were “provoked.” And the “good” police, 9 times out of 10, don’t say a word or aid in the cover-up. Luckily their is video evidence in this case, but this story is nothing new.
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@The Great White Man
Armoured and armed to the teeth, shooting unarmed people (children) from a safe distance. Heroes, huh?
Take a good look
http://www.collateralmurder.com/
You would have to be suffering from severe brain damage and/or delusions to call such actions ‘heroic’. Mind you, this is far from being an exception.
Anyone in his right mind would call this ‘psychopathy combined with a severe case of paranoia’.
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@ Natasha
I think you and I are on the same page. The only difference is that I think the person responsible is whoever gave the orders for the raid to be conducted in the manner in which it was done.
Also thanks for sharing the link:
“We know it was an accident, but the method that they used in executing the search warrant was flawed. The family understands that the officer is not a monster. He didn’t intentionally shoot a 7-year-old girl.”
Like I said, I think whoever ordered this “show boat” should be held accountable.
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The great white man,
I guess you know if your neighbors are criminals.
There have been instances where the police got the address wrong from a typo. You should hope that never happens to you. You can also tell them how much you love them, while they burst in your door.
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…and throw grenades in through your front window.
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Col,
To that I say: you do the crime, you do the time. Why should that catch phrase only apply to civilians? The “They made me do it” excuse can be used in many situations.
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Natasha,
I hope you’re not confusing me with the philosophy, “you do the crime, you do the time.” (or confusing me with any other posters here on this blog.)
I think you’re trying to take this in a direction that is going to end up in a philosophical debate better left to a different thread and topic.
You and I should agree to disagree:
1. You think the individual should be held accountable. (I would agree if it could be proven he ‘intentionally’ shot an innocent child.) However, I do believe it was an accident and any of his fellow black officers could just have easily had the same happen.
2. For this reason, I say the individual who authorized this showboat raid should be held accountable.
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Col,
I hope you’re not confusing me with the philosophy, “you do the crime, you do the time.” (or confusing me with any other posters here on this blog.)”
No, I’m not. I’m just repeating a phrase that has been made many times on this blog, recently.
“You think the individual should be held accountable. (I would agree if it could be proven he ‘intentionally’ shot an innocent child.)”
They shot into the house knowing that there were people inside. And I think the children’s toys that were on the front lawn and the neighbors yelling at them that there were children inside should have given them pause. Anyone can put two and two together and realize that if there are children in the house and you shoot and throw grenades into the house, the kids may be killed. They intentionally put many lives in danger. I’m in no way trying to vilify the police involved in this case, but I will not make excuses for what was clearly very poor judgment.
“However, I do believe it was an accident and any of his fellow black officers could just have easily had the same happen.”
I’m pretty sure they didn’t go there with the purpose of killing a child, but the fact that they ignored all warnings can not be denied. In that sense, it was no accident.
I didn’t know the race of the police officer and I don’t really care. Plenty of black officers would do the same, I agree, so it’s not like it makes a difference.
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@ Natasha
You said, “They shot into the house knowing that there were people inside. And I think the children’s toys that were on the front lawn and the neighbors yelling at them that there were children inside should have given them pause.”
Me: That was actually my complaint from the beginning. There should have been enough intelligence ( as in who’s inside, how many people, relation, male/female/adult/child, what the probability is given certain factors, etc…) I was under the impression they made the decision to go in “blind”. (Dumb, Dumb, Dumb…) But if in fact the POLICE DID KNOW who was inside and still carried out the raid in the manner they did, then shame be on all of them!!!
Either way, its Dumb and Dumber no matter which way you disect this one! And the innocent suffer the incompetence!!!
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The officer who shot into the house needs to be put in prison. His intentions do not matter: You do not shoot on unarmed, innocent people and then, when you kill one of them, say, “Oops! I didn’t mean that!”
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All the other stuff like “they were harboring a fugitive”, “the grandma got in the way”, “they shot by accident” is excuses to take the focus off the reality. The police killed an innocent 7 year old girl, whose only crime was being poor and black. It is bs that the child had to see this in the first place–you think the cop would agree to those actions if he had a seven year old daughter in his house that the cops wanted to get into?
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@ Abagond,
I think its more complicated than that. I don’t think any of the officers entering that house intentionally pointed their guns at a child ready to take out a 7 year old.
(If, “IF”, this particular individual did do that, then you are right Abagond AND I AGREE with you.)
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No, it is not more complicated than that: it was caught on film! The story about the grandmother bumping them or whatever is a lie the police made up to make it seem like an accident.
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I never said it was a lie. I’m not covering for the police nor do I condone their actions. F*&* the Police.
I just think you’re setting a dangerous precendent by saying any officer responsible directly or indirectly for the death of a civilian while in the line of duty shall be immediately judged and sentenced to prison time. (i think that is a bit radical)
The person who ordered this raid should be held accountable. In second order, the individual. Jail time? I’m not sure.
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I wouldn’t have any problems putting that officer AND whoever ordered he operation in jail.
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*the operation
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The story gets even worse that night they arrested the grandmother. How ridiculous
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/aiyanna-jones-family-meets-with-fieger-20100517-ms
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I will say the officer should do jail time if the video proves he “intentionally” fired into the house after the flash bang grenade.
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Col:
And shooting on unarmed men, women and children is in the line of duty?
I agree that whoever ordered this kind of raid on a house with a family in it should be held accountable too.
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I agree that whoever ordered this kind of raid on a house with a family in it should be held accountable too.
By all means, arrest them all. I am not usually a “setting the example, let’s get revenge” person, but there needs to be a clear message sent here, a message that these things will not be tolerated in the future. Nothing can bring little Aiyana back, but maybe this case will help changing police methods and force people to face their own prejudice about black neighborhoods.
Also, news should report about this case and not to let it be forgotten.
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This type of things happens everyday, and also across the world with People of Colour – nothing will be done to redress the issue
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So, you don’t think they will be punished? You don’t think most of the people will realize what’s going on?
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I don’t know if it this situation will ever get to the point of criminal charges. I doubt it. But it is worth pointing out that although the County Prosecutor is a black woman the larger County in which Detroit resides is about 60% or more white and resulting jury pools tend to be something like 90% white or more.
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Great White Man,
C’mon these people did not commit any crime! The police raided the wrong flat(or town house whatever) ITS THE POLICE’S FAULT!
They throw a grenade into the house, a GRENADE! These are not insurgents in Iraq these are red-blooded AMERICAN CITIZENS. What the police did was UNACCEPTABLE. Moreover even if these people were the suspects the police were looking for(which they werent) there is no excuse to treat them in such a manner.
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Are you mad Mira??
(that was my initial thought, no reflection on you though)
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I should have added, if anything they will be ‘promoted’, that is the usual scenario in the UK
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Are you mad Mira??
(that was my initial thought, no reflection on you though)
I guess I am. Apart from being in a bad mood for personal reasons, this thing really got me. I don’t know why. I know it’s not the first time it happens, and unfortunately not the last, but still…
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But I guess I don’t trust the police in general and I don’t consider them friends and protectors.
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Great White Man sez:
“DO YOU have any compassion at all?”
Y:
Not for people who light innocent children on fire then shoot them dead in front of their closest relatives. No compassionate at all, period.
I hope his ass is haunted for the rest of his life, may Aiyana Jones rest in peace and haunt this bastard’s dreams for all of eternity. I couldnt care less for scum who murdered a child and forced her father to lay face down in her blood. I truly wish the worst life has to offer to this man. I have never been so angry about someone I didnt know personally. I hope he rots in hell.
I dont know what would make me happier his ass being throw under the jail or him committing suicide, I honestly dont know which is better.
I mean all of this from the bottom of my heart.
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If you choose to commit crime, you are not only putting yourself at risk but everybody around you, including family and friends.
Sorry, there are policies and procedures that govern how ‘raids’ are conducted. You have to have some sort of planning and intelligence in place before resorting to such. You must take into account the logistics involved. Certain things, such as who is in the house, who actually is a tenant in the house, the house or dwelling place itself etc.. Had they done this, they would have known that the alleged murderer lived in an apartment upstairs. This appears to have been conducted this way because it was being filmed for television! As quoted in one of the links, they resort to this when there is imminent possibilities of death or serious bodily harm such as an armed suspect in a siege situation or a hostage situation. This is the nth degree type of ‘raid’. The situation described in regards to this case was anything but.
It’s a tragic situations..one that could’ve been avoided.
Yes it could have been avoided had the police done their jobs correctly instead of ‘grand standing’ for the television show.
The Police are heroes, my lost friend.
The police are human-beings with all the foibles everyone else possess. Besides, they applied for this job, they were not drafted or forced to take the job.
He will be in the hell of regret FORVER. DO YOU have any compassion at all?
Compassion for this onanist? Nope. However, I do have compassion for the family who experienced this horrific event, and by extension, the people who live in that community who experience this type of treatment to various degrees, on a constant basis.
I don’t know if it this situation will ever get to the point of criminal charges.
Perhaps not. Look to the publicity department to start churning out ‘dirt’ on the family in the coming weeks to neutralize or alleviate their own culpability. If they do charge him, it will be due to the video taken by the television show. They may charge him if it becomes politically expedient to do so. ie; the video provides incontrovertible proof that he lied
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I am so mad, I don’t know what to do!! That is so tragic. Poor baby!
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Y says,
Great White Man,
C’mon these people did not commit any crime! The police raided the wrong flat(or town house whatever) ITS THE POLICE’S FAULT!
They throw a grenade into the house, a GRENADE! These are not insurgents in Iraq these are red-blooded AMERICAN CITIZENS. What the police did was UNACCEPTABLE. Moreover even if these people were the suspects the police were looking for(which they werent) there is no excuse to treat them in such a manner.
laromana says,
Y, I couldn’t agree with you more.
There is GOOD police work and BAD police work. This was BAD police work and there is NO EXCUSE for the CARELESS death of an INNOCENT CHILD.
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I wouldn’t even have known about this story if not for here.
Here’s another recent incident of cops storming a house guns blazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbwSwvUaRqc
They thought the guy was a drug dealer but all he had was a pipe with some marijuana resin in it.
I’m not anti-police, but whoever is responsible for these incidents needs to be put on the chopping block.
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I heard about this, and I was beyond shock. There are no words to describe this. I don’t know what to type, but the MAJORITY of you already made good comments.
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I felt like i was going to throw up when I saw all the white people at other websites justifying the death of the girl. Whites deserve a taste of their own medicine. Its just sickening what they say….its hard to believe they are considered human since they seem to have no real emotions.
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white people = sociopathic. all of them.
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I knew I would get flak for telling the truth.
I feel for the little girls family, I really do but I’m sure these people were aware of the scumbag being hunted by the police…turn his azz in..bottom line.
This is a tragedy, nothing more.
Bad things happen when people commit crimes.
This little girl is gone because of the killer in the upstairs apartment…not the police.
The Police are Heroes….and this Hero will be suffering the rest of his life, along with the family of this little girl.
And this would never happen with me, my confused friends, for one I make it my buisness to know my neighbors, and two if the police were ever to break down my door I would follow all commands of the officers, not interfere with police in such a critical situation. I will deal with the mistake after the situation has been resolved. Point is…. respect the police.
The Police never want to kill someone who is innocent..Servicemen are the same way, you kill the enemy but you always remember and honor the enemy.
I have the highest respect for an enemy who wears a military uniform, fortunately they were just that.
I would have less compassion for terrorist scum whom hide in civilian clothes.
I did not have the honor to 86 some of these islamic terrorist scum, which if I did, my compassion for them would be very minimal.
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on Wed 19 May 2010 at 22:54:30 Mira
But I guess I don’t trust the police in general and I don’t consider them friends and protectors.
Well, when a criminal event happens to you or your family, just get over it.
Don’t call the PO-PO, agreed?
SMH
What has the world come to?…smh
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the police have become the gestapo…but instead of praying on Jews they are praying on blacks.
I know with the police they don’t care if you did the crime or not, they don’t even seem to care if you fit the description. Its like if they a black person is a black person and to them there is no difference as long as they have a black person.
What is scary are cases like Dymond Millburn who was attacked by police yet the suspects were white!! and she is being sued by them for daring to “resist” arrest. Ugh, when will this nightmare end?
Oh yeah, I know when…when white people start experiencing what we go through then they will care and actually criticize the police. But that probably won’t happen.
There probably are some (i use that term lightly) good cops out there…but my question is why aren’t they speaking up against these bad cops?
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I can’t take the “great” white man seriously…its easy for him to say that stuff, he is white, he will never have to worry about what many blacks will have to go through.
and way to go justifying her death and excuse the real culprit…the officers, “great” white man.
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I do not justify her death, my lost racist friend.
It was an tragic accident that could’ve been avoided.
Criminals are to blame, not the POLICE.
The Police are HEROES!!!! You should give them a proper salute, thumbs up or a simple hand shake everytime you see one.
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@alwaysright101
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He may make it his “prioity” to know his neighbours but you can never know the going ons in their house but because this self proclaimed “great white man” is so bloody great he knows that Aiyana family knew everything and was fine with it hell I bet he even thought they were invovled.
I hope that police gets everything he deserves and more the proof will be in the pudding i.e. the footage that was recorded.
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is the “great” white man supposed to be a troll or just some parody of your typical racist white person??
I mean, although he gave the same justifications and excuses for the police as the other racist whites on other websites, none of them seemed to go as far as calling them “heroes” for what they did….
heck even the name “the great white man” is hard to take too seriously.
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I suppose there are a couple of things to be put into perspective for the reactionaries.
Wherever in the world you are – at least it applies to most developed parts of the world:
Who pays the police? Exactly, the tax payer.
Do we live in a democracy? I hope so. I don’t know about you but I do.
Can we demand that our hard earned cash is being put into top notch service in civil protection? Absolutely!
Can we, as paying citizens, demand that incompetence be sanctioned when there is obvious blunder? Absolutely!
The ‘police are heroes’ statement is tear-jerking bollocks for Fox “news” zombies.
Flawless service for citizens is the BOTTOM LINE. That’s the least you can expect. The irony is that coppers usually deliver impeccable work in protecting themselves and each other. However in ‘doing their job’ they often enough ignore the fact that they have to deliver the same level of quality to the citizens.
If an electrician delivers a shoddy job ‘by accident’ which causes a fire because of the sub-par quality, the worker will get sacked and the company most likely legally prosecuted.
It’s really as clear cut as that and it’s good that it is. It teaches certain people to think twice before they take on a profession that requires a lot of responsibility, quick judgement and thorough execution, such as policeman.
Who said being a policeman out in the field is easy? Reactionaries have to quit idolising police/military, luring clueless youths with this pathetic ‘hero’ and ‘cameraderie’ crap and keeping them clueless trigger-happy muppets throughout their career.
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i hate how our tax dollars pay for these racist murderous cops paychecks.
if the court would for once in their lives hold the police accountable, then maybe police officers would learn to think and make sure they have all their facts and evidence.
criminals with guns aren’t the only ones that scare me. people who are gun crazy and have no healthy fear of guns and the damage guns can do are just as scary.
this is why i hate right wing pro gun “activists” dangerous people who should not be allowed to own guns at all. and the police force is full of them.
also those who idolize gun crazy cops and call them “heroes” scare me too.
this is why i say i fear americans more than i fear terrorists and the possibility of another 9/11 type attack.
domestic terrorism at the hands of americans is considered okay…i mean no one ever condemns mcveigh or the dude who flew into the irs building in fact they hang them up as “heroes” too.
man this country is going to end up like the roman empire but first its making a stop in Germany’s history by trying to recreate the Holocaust only using blacks as the victims this time.
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Alwayspsycho101 stated:
“this is why i say i fear americans more than i fear terrorists and the possibility of another 9/11 type attack. ”
Well, we can’t have you scared like that. Tell you what, If you are African American, I believe their are several west African countries that have open immigration policies for people just like you. If you are not AA, might I suggest Canada, or at the very least, the Mariana Trench?
Don’t worry, the US of A will be better off without people like you.
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actually “great” white man, this country needs people like me and less people like YOU. you are exactly the type of dangerous people I am speaking of.
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“on Thu 20 May 2010 at 10:20:41 alwaysPSYCHO101
actually “great” white man, this country needs people like me and less people like YOU. you are exactly the type of dangerous people I am speaking of.”
Wrong little lady, you are the exact type of person we need to be deported.
You are a traitor to the United States of America. You embrace our enemy over your own countrymen.
People like you need to be rounded up and sunk to the bottom of the Mariana Trench in 55 Gallon Drums..
In LEAK free drums, as not to infect the ecosystem of the tube worms with your filth.
Bottom Line.
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i find it funny that “great” white man makes fun of my username, when his gives off the aurora of insecurity and an inferiority complex not to mention, he is the one who is psycho for calling murderers heroes and defending and justifying the death of an innocent child.
no normal person would ever think like that…but then again this goes back to what i said earlier…white people = sociopathic. how else do you explain this girl’s murder and someone else’s support for her murder?
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i am not betraying anyone. how is being against racism and the evils of the cops betrayal?
at the end of the day, its guys like you that keep on making america look bad. when europe has stereotypes about america, they almost always think of white people and their boorish behavior. the world is laughing at america and most americans still think they are superior to the world.
your idea of america is nothing but white supremacy and racism…what sane person would support that?
what sane person would support the police in murdering innocent children?
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alwaysPsycho101,
I do not justify anything. It was a tragic accident.
This noble civil servant will suffer for the rest of his life in the hell of regret.
Now please….Get out of the US of A!
You are a TRAITOR!
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there you go again defending a murderer!!! would you say the same thing if he killed your kid??
why don’t you just take your white supremacy over to russia. there are too many of dangerous right wingers as is.
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i don’t get why i keep arguing with this immature person. its like arguing with thad or noslappz….
in the end, i will be more american than “great” white man will ever be…at least i don’t go around defending murderers, and racists.
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Who the hell cares about Eurotrash whining about Americans?
I travel anywhere in the world and I’m treated like royalty.
Including Africa and Caribbean.
When will you people understand? We don’t care about other peoples feeling toward us, you are either with us or against us.
I don’t care. All I know is that many Europeans are starting to free themselves of this liberal blindness. They are waking up to find out people who don’t like them are taking over their countries……We will stop it. I applaud these Europeans.
Soon the Eurotrash will be a thing of the past.
Eurotrash: Scum who destroy WWII memorials, Scum who protest every little thing the USA does, Scum who want society to embrace everybody elses culture but their OWN!!
Bottom Line..
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on Thu 20 May 2010 at 10:43:39 55GallonDrum #101
i don’t get why i keep arguing with this immature person. its like arguing with thad or noslappz….
in the end, i will be more american than “great” white man will ever be…at least i don’t go around defending murderers, and racists.
You are the racist, by your OWN words, You are a traitor, again by your own words, embrace murderers of American citizens. You support 911….All in your own words.
You will never be a great American. You are traitor.
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its called tourist money….anyone will treat americans like “royalty” so they take their money while talking about them behind your back. and while you keep thinking you are superior because you are being treated like “royalty” you are really just someone they find inferior and fun to laugh at especially when you walk around thinking you are above an entire country you are visiting.
and if americans keep up with this “we don’t care what the world thinks because we are superior” we are going to end up just like the roman empire.
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i never said i supported 9/11. i said that americans like you are scarier than terrorists.
and yes, at the end of the day, i make a better american. at least i don’t support racism and murdering children like you. at least i don’t make heroes out of murderers, YOUR WORDS.
you must be a fox news junkie, rewriting what someone said to spin it around, so very typical of conservatives.
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and yes, don’t even try to argue with me that you didn’t say you support murderers.
when you defended and called a murderer a hero you basically supported him. a great american you will never make.
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55 Gallon Drum #101 stated:
“i never said i supported 9/11. i said that americans like you are scarier than terrorists.
and yes, at the end of the day, i make a better american. at least i don’t support racism and murdering children like you. at least i don’t make heroes out of murderers, YOUR WORDS.
you must be a fox news junkie, rewriting what someone said to spin it around, so very typical of conservatives.”
You must be another LIEberal nutjob…smh
Soon the western civilization will be rid of people like you. I might not be alive to see it, but the only way for the survival of our civilization is to deport weak feeble minded people who embrace our enemies instead of their own countrymen. We will need to purge all of the universities of liberal wackjob professors teaching young minds to be traitors, falsehoods of history and to hate the US of A and its Allies.
It will be great day!!
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and the white supremacy, race war, the holocuast will prevail, stuff has finally come out of your mouth. its about time you admitted it.
you are right civilization will get rid of people like you. remember, the white race is dying and no of color really cares all that much.
not a single liberal teacher/professor i had gave me the views of anti-racism, anti-conservatism, anti-sheer american boorish behavior, it was right wing racist/supremacist, boorish americans like yourself that gave me that perception.
you guys do a good job all on your own making enemies and causing young people to support the Democrats.
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“great” white man still doesn’t get it. black people still get killed by police when they do follow the rules. wake up already!!! are you just going to sit around and keep giving the gestapo a pass? i guess you are going to have to lose a loved one or something before you finally wake up.
remember…the gestapo has killed white people before for no reason to…so you aren’t exempt. stop living in a fantasy world and join the real world.
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55 Gallon Drum #101 stated:
“you are right civilization will get rid of people like you. remember, the white race is dying and no of color really cares all that much. ”
I see you subscribe to racist fairy tales also…smh
We are not dying you lost woman. We will never die. and I’ve exposed your racism, not mine. I never said people of color, did I? I said LIEberal traitors.
There are plenty of black people who support patriotic views, these people are called realist. They are PROUD Americans, They are PATRIOTS of HONOR. They don’t dwell in the past like you ENVIOUS OF THE WHITE MAN TYPES do. They will be side by side with us helping to round up traitors. You will see in a few years time. It will start with more laws on immigration. The one in Arizona is just a small taste.
Remember, don’t poke a sleeping bear. American Patriots have been lenient to people like you for too long, you keep poking and poking and eventually the bear will awake and then you know the rest…..
Keep pushing…lol
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if people like you are the definition of “patriots” then america is doomed.
yeah we know you want america to be the next spot for the holocaust.
and yes, your race is dying out and no one seriously cares except for white supremacists!!!
i will become proud of america the day white americans stop supporting racism and stop being racist and will stop trying to keep this country in the cave times.
at least i know my country’s faults and admit them, unlike you. the america you are apart of is not the united states of america because this country has faults. a true patriot doesn’t try to hide them.
but then again you are not a patriot.
i would never fight for this country…only way i ever would is if the enemy is worse than whites which i find hard to believe as no other race has caused so much turmoil worldwide than white people specifically your type.
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55 Gallon Drum #101 stated:
“would never fight for this country…only way i ever would is if the enemy is worse than whites which i find hard to believe as no other race has caused so much turmoil worldwide than white people specifically your type.”
You see you are a racist..lol and a dishonorable person. A low life.
Yes the day will soon come when you will be wiped off the face of this great country. When the great ships circle the Mariana Trench and the dumping begins.
It will be a great day indeed.
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what it all comes down to “great” white man is that you are a racist who supports racist cops murdering innocent people. everyone sees through you. no one other than your fellow racist comrades support you.
and the day will come when whites exist no more. it will be a great day indeed.
i can’t wait for your race’s existence to be snubbed out by interracial marriage.
and as i said before, i will not fight for this racist country. i am not fighting to keep racism by white people alive.
now do us all a favor and stop being a broken record and say something new, you are getting boring with your holocaust “kill all minorities” garbage.
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and just so you know, you may call yourself a racial realist, but they are still racists in the end.
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The so called great white man,
Several factors read wrong in this case and makes yyour so called “hero” and everyone involved in the raid not a her,
1)Since when did excecuting a warrant involve grenades?
2)Kids toys outside and neighbours cought on tape warning of kids in the apartment.
3)Blaming the grandmother for their own mistake.
I dont care how much he lives in regret but he is responsible for death if an innocent child and that is unforgiveable. You dont get flak for saying the truth(which you didnt) you get flack for being an A*hole.
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@ Abagond
Your question to me, “And shooting on unarmed men, women and children is in the line of duty?”
Me: That is what I was trying to determine based on the news reports and video (when it actually gets shown) If these police officers started firing without being fired upon, then they are WAY OUT OF LINE: Some should be jailed and the rest suspended to send a loud and clear message to Law Enforcement organizations around the country. That is why the key words I have been using is “intentional & intent”.
I wanted to clarify, so you understand my position a bit better. When I first read your post, you made it seem like this individual officer went in, identified the child, pointed the gun at her and pulled the trigger. The scenario I had in my mind based on the reports was different. I was envisioning lack of organization and complete chaos when the officers gun went off.
Now, to finally answer your question above. “Hell no. Shooting unarmed women and children is not acceptable. Those individuals should be held accountable.” Like I said, if these officers started firing unprovoked, then ALL the officers should go down. Black/White, I don’t care.
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Police chief gets in on reality show deals.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100520/METRO08/5200433/Detroit-Chief-Evans-gets-in-on-reality-TV-action
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To Abagond…
Great White Guy sez:
Yes the day will soon come, yadayadayada.
I’m willing to put up with having to read racism. Hell, people accuse me of it often enough and there is no solid consensus as to what constitutes racism. One of the great things about Abagond’s board is that he really restrains himself from censoring people.
Normally I am 100% anti-censorship.
But I draw the line at having to read people’s masturbatory fantasies regarding final solutions.
Can you please tell Great White Nazi up there to cool it, Abagond? Either that or sh1tcan him. Either is fine by me.
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55 GALLON DRUM #6795 stated:
To Abagond…
Great White Guy sez:
Yes the day will soon come, yadayadayada.
I’m willing to put up with having to read racism. Hell, people accuse me of it often enough and there is no solid consensus as to what constitutes racism. One of the great things about Abagond’s board is that he really restrains himself from censoring people.
Normally I am 100% anti-censorship.
But I draw the line at having to read people’s masturbatory fantasies regarding final solutions.
Can you please tell Great White Nazi up there to cool it, Abagond? Either that or sh1tcan him. Either is fine by me.”
I see we have another bleeding heart here..smh
Blame the officer but not try to fix the root of the problem..smh
When will these people stop pulling the race card and come back to reality?
The Great White Man has all the answers…You cannot go wrong when taking my suggestions into action.
Bottom Line
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Aiyana’s aunt is engaged to the murder suspect according to the article. Creepy.
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The Great White Man
You are evil! A child is dead. First, she is set on fire, then shot in the head! What if this child was your kid? And then you said that if there hadn’t been a crime, then there wouldn’t have been a “mistake”. How is throwing a grenade in a house with children in it a mistake? I can see knocking the door down and with guns drawn, announce “It’s the police”. But throwing a grenade in the house! This poor girl was fire you jerk! A mistake!!! One day evil men like you will be judged so don’t be cocky. Your day is coming!
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Jeri, I beg of you do not waste time with Lame White Man… He is trollin’
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Cox attacks Sharpton; Sharpton responds.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100520/METRO/5200490/Cox–Sharpton-trade-barbs-in-Aiyana-Jones-death
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And this would never happen with me, my confused friends, for one I make it my buisness to know my neighbors, and two if the police were ever to break down my door I would follow all commands of the officers, not interfere with police in such a critical situation. I will deal with the mistake after the situation has been resolved. Point is…. respect the police.
You sound confused. In fact you sound like the neighbourhood gossip. You better hope and pray that the hair trigger gun doesn’t go off ‘accidentally’ otherwise, at worst, you will be dead, sh****** through a colostomy bag, or eating pureed foods for the rest of your life! In any case, you will not be around to tell the tale!
What has the world come to?…smh
If you smack your head enough times, maybe you will smack some sense into it.
The Police are HEROES!!!! You should give them a proper salute, thumbs up or a simple hand shake everytime you see one.
How about the middle finger up for malfeasant officers like this? If you go around trying to shake the polices’ hands and saluting them, they may cart your behind off to the local asylum for observation!
If you are not AA, might I suggest Canada,
May I suggest the Antarctica for you? That way you can regale the penguins with your diatribes.
People like you need to be rounded up and sunk to the bottom of the Mariana Trench in 55 Gallon Drums..
In LEAK free drums, as not to infect the ecosystem of the tube worms with your filth.
Oh, so espouse murder for people who disagree with you? Perhaps the police should cart your behind off to jail or an asylum as those threats constitute uttering death threats, a crime, my confused ‘friend’.
You will never be a great American. You are traitor.
Stop projecting onto others your own feelings of inadequacy!
I might not be alive to see it, but the only way for the survival of our civilization is to deport weak feeble minded people who embrace our enemies instead of their own countrymen.
Thank God for small miracles!
<em.Bottom Line.
What’s the top line?
I see we have another bleeding heart here..smh
Keep smacking your head guy, you may either; 1) knock yourself out, or; 2) knock some sense into it. Have a nice day.
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alwaysright101 said:
“white people = sociopathic. all of them.”
You might like this post from two weeks back – not sure if you have seen it:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/the-hearts-of-white-people-the-science/
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on Thu 20 May 2010 at 18:13:23 Jeri
The Great White Man
You are evil! A child is dead. First, she is set on fire, then shot in the head! What if this child was your kid? And then you said that if there hadn’t been a crime, then there wouldn’t have been a “mistake”. How is throwing a grenade in a house with children in it a mistake? I can see knocking the door down and with guns drawn, announce “It’s the police”. But throwing a grenade in the house! This poor girl was fire you jerk! A mistake!!! One day evil men like you will be judged so don’t be cocky. Your day is coming!
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Yes it was a mistake, a grave mistake. The officer will now be in a hell of regret for the rest of his life. He will suffer along with the family.
Again the root of the problem is criminality, not the police.
It does burn me up to see this little girls picture, but we must correct the problem, so this little girl would not have died in vain.
We need all citizens to step up and start “Snitchin” on these sick criminal mofos.
Remember, this sick individual killed a kid. He is a dangerous criminal.
The Police have every right to use extreme measures to ensure their own safety.
Was this operation planned wrong or at least couldn’ve been planned better, yes it was. The officer and the immediate leads will no longer be on the force or at least never able to participate in field operations again.
Bottom line….It’s a tragice mistake. It is not an intentional action.
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Rest in peace, Aiyana Jones. May justice be served for this girl who never deserved this evil injustice.
Police have a history of killing Blacks, including Black children for no reason other than their race. That’s injustice. I hope the family sue the DPD and the police officer serve life sentence without parole and not let him get away with this.
La Reyna
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@la reyna
we could only wish but we all know the courts will give the gestapo yet another pass. i wouldn’t be surprised if the murderers get awarded like most typically do.
there is no such thing as justice.
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@ OP:
Look within to realize why this bothers you so much. Unfortunately, the world will only change when you give people (or police, in this case) some concrete reason to change. In fact, police brutality will only change when YOUR OWN PEOPLE learn to change their behavior. The sad truth is that black people in America today are mistreated largely because non-black people fear your tendency to carry out violent or otherwise obnoxious habits.
Asians and latinos do not tend to complain about police brutality today. It turns out they also are less likely to commit violent crimes than black people. Further, they are more likely own their own businesses and NOT rely on government handouts (i.e., food stamps and welfare / disability).
I know, I know, you are probably wishing to point out that their success is because whites are somehow “less” racist against these groups. I can agree that, in America anyway, racism from whites is most usually directed towards blacks. However, I happen to know that it is usually BECAUSE of the behavior of blacks that many whites are so racist toward them.
Think about it. You can only bring lasting change to this world when you learn to make changes from within. The opportunity is there. People literally die for the chance to come work in America. Do you want your legacy to be one of chronic complaints or one of honor and dignity?
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RIP Aiyana Stanley Jones.
Some of you are ridiculous and just nasty saying ridiculous things that don’t even truly deserve a response that I’m also positive you would not say if she had been your child….the damn hypocrisy.
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The sad truth is that black people in America today are mistreated largely because non-black people fear your tendency to carry out violent or otherwise obnoxious habits.
The sad truth is that you actually may believe the tripe that you just wrote.
I know, I know, you are probably wishing to point out that their success is because whites are somehow “less” racist against these groups.
No, I am not wishing to point out anything, can’t speak for anyone else.
People literally die for the chance to come work in America. ?
Yes, there are millions of illegal immigrants in the States right now. Many died trying to cross the border. Are you blaming this kid for getting shot by the cops? If not, what does Latinos, Asians, and Hispanics have to do with this post? This post is about a little girl who was shot due to police bungling, yet you go off on a diatribe about why whites are racist towards blacks. You imply that it’s the kid’s fault this calamity befell her. You are a miscreant of the first order!
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@ Hernieth
“You imply that it’s the kid’s fault this calamity befell her. You are a miscreant of the first order!”
Please explain. It was not my intention to imply or state anything of the sort. You should explain yourself if you wish to make unfounded claims.
The OP all but blames the racist “white” establishment for the death of this child. Hence, I saw fit to explain why some people are still racist in this day and age. This is a tragedy, but I don’t think white people deserve the blame. Detroit politicians are mainly black.
Think before you write. The problem with many black people in America is that they feel they do not need to take responsibility for anything. This poor young girl dies because some loser scumbag could not just turn himself in to the police like a civilized human being. Instead, he wanted the police to come get him. If anyone deserves the blame for this tragedy, it is him.
Black people will not advance in society until they learn to take responsibility. Society does not owe you anything. Once you begin to realize that, life will become much easier.
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does matter what people say there are still heartless idiots who blame the victims
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@ realist (I love when racists/racialists call themselves “realists”)
“The sad truth is that black people in America today are mistreated largely because non-black people fear your tendency to carry out violent or otherwise obnoxious habits.”
And that has to do with what? Whites’ paranoia and fear of black people or the actuality of the matter?
“Asians and latinos do not tend to complain about police brutality today.”
Is that so? Seems like you need to do a little more research:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/23506261/detail.html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/06/361356.shtml
“Further, they are more likely own their own businesses and NOT rely on government handouts (i.e., food stamps and welfare / disability).”
Maybe you do a search on black-owned businesses. There are many and they are doing well. Meanwhile, stop stereotyping people. There are plenty (and I do mean plenty) of whites on welfare and there are plenty of blacks not on welfare. Abagond has a post on this very subject.
“I know, I know, you are probably wishing to point out that their success is because whites are somehow “less” racist against these groups. I can agree that, in America anyway, racism from whites is most usually directed towards blacks. However, I happen to know that it is usually BECAUSE of the behavior of blacks that many whites are so racist toward them.”
One can tell you’re white as can be from this statement. Whites will be racist because whites have “othered” blacks in their minds; blacks are second-class citizens. This has everything to do with the history of this country; old habits die hard.
“Think about it. You can only bring lasting change to this world when you learn to make changes from within. The opportunity is there.”
I agree… go tell that to your fellow whites.
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“The OP all but blames the racist “white” establishment for the death of this child…This is a tragedy, but I don’t think white people deserve the blame. Detroit politicians are mainly black.”
Of course! It’s a twofer. Blame blacks and blame politicians.
But where did the OP blame whites? Maybe I missed that because I read the words “Detroit police” more than once in that post and subsequent comments suggest that the author believes the police are at fault.
“Think before you write.”
Ha!
“The problem with many black people in America is that they feel they do not need to take responsibility for anything.”
And the problem with you is that you won’t stop stereotyping blacks. Good grief.
“This poor young girl dies because some loser scumbag could not just turn himself in to the police like a civilized human being. Instead, he wanted the police to come get him. If anyone deserves the blame for this tragedy, it is him.”
If you’re going to put fault on the suspect, you have to put equal fault on the police. There were many other ways that they could have went about apprehending the suspect, without putting others in peril. They are just as responsible as anyone else. You want to teach about personal responsibility, then that needs to apply to everyone.
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realist
You need to shut the fcuk up and take your ass back to stormfront. An innocent child died at the hands of careless crooked ass cops. If the cops were on their job they would have seen the toys outside. They would have listen to the people yelling that there were kids inside. Most of all they would have known that the guy lived upstairs.
This is a tragedy, but I don’t think white people deserve the blame.
I guess the police = white folks to you. I dont know what race the police officers were and dont care. All I know is everyone involved should get fired, die, then burn in hell. And they will. I hope you burn in hell with them.
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Please explain. It was not my intention to imply or state anything of the sort. You should explain yourself if you wish to make unfounded claims.
You imply it is the little girls fault by ascribing modes of behaviour to blacks which in turn cause whites to be racist towards them. If it wasn’t for their bad behaviour, this little girl wouldn’t have been shot.
The OP all but blames the racist “white” establishment for the death of this child.
The OP blames the police for this bungled raid.
Hence, I saw fit to explain why some people are still racist in this day and age.
Yes, and you are an arbiter as to why some are still racist. That is not an explanation, that is an excuse for those who already hold racist views but are looking for justification of said views.
The problem with many black people in America is that they feel they do not need to take responsibility for anything.
You know every black person in America? I doubt you know any.
This poor young girl dies because some loser scumbag could not just turn himself in to the police like a civilized human being.
No, as iterated before, this little girl died due to police bungling and for the chance to grandstand for the television show which was filming them. Something tells me they did not follow procedure for this raid. As a result a little girl has been killed. That you keep bringing up white racism, speaks to your own paranoia more so than anything else. You are an apologist for police bungling and brutality, you seek to place the blame elsewhere.
Black people will not advance in society until they learn to take responsibility. Society does not owe you anything. Once you begin to realize that, life will become much easier.
What does black people advancing in society have to do with a little girl getting slaughtered in her own home? Your malfeasance is showing!
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Herneith
please dont allow yourself to be bother by “realist”. Anybody ignorant enough to attribute bad behavior to “black behavior” isnt worth the effort.
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funny thing is with that guy is he is doing the whole “You are the ones making me racist” crap that i have heard so many times before
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^^^^
I know. They say that but we all know damn well that their racist beliefs came before hand. Many of the racist stereotypes about black criminality were around before black crime skyrocketed in the late 60s early 70s. How many racist have you heard say “I became racist after my mother was murdered by a [insert race here] man?”
I have heard any, most say they are racist because of watching blacks do dirt on the news and because of crime stats.
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@realist:
Stop chatting “Sugar Honey Ice Tea”. You are making the blog stink!
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First and foremost: this is an absolute tragedy. That girl died needlessly. I cannot imagine what her father is going through now and I can only pray that life gets easier with him with time. The police obviously deserve most of the blame here. Throwing a grenade into a house is something soldiers should do, not public servants, as Abagond stated.
Moreover, I am not racist. I have worked for many black people and had many black people work for me. I have black friends and I tend to like black music much more than, say, latino or white music. I have visited Africa and was deeply moved by my experiences there.
Nonetheless, I have been around many racist people (of all colors) in my life. In my experience, the racism coming from white people tends to be directed toward black people, and vice versa. (It gets less clear cut when you are dealing with latinos and Asians.) Morover, I notice that white folks (for the most part) are generally racist against white people for the violent crime.
I admit that the popular media likes to sensationalize crime in America. However, within the past two decades or so, organizations such as the NAACP have done a good job of keeping reports of race out of the news stories. I really don’t notice an anti-black bias (with regard to crime, anyway) in the popular media. But despite the presence of any such bias, black people do commit more violent crimes. I can show you federal crime statistics, if you wish. Moreover, there are enough black elected officials and bureaucrats to ensure that bias is not skewing those numbers. (Note, I am only talking of violent crimes here. I realize that sentencing policies for nonviolent crimes are blatantly racist toward young black men.) These inflated numbers show why some white people are still racist (most of them, anyway).
Likewise, I have noticed that young black people who are racist against white people perceive white people as acting differently around them and possibly holding racist views against them. However, with the older generation, the racism tends to stem from memories of all the horrors of a Jim Crow South.
My point is that it is important to understand why people are racist against each other. Frankly, misunderstanding is what can cause, say, police to throw a grenade into a house full of sleeping people. I was always curious why some white people did not like black people (and vice versa). In general, I think people are racist because of a combination of experiences and beliefs. Experiences cannot change, but beliefs can. There are no easy solutions here. However, the best first step every person can make is to look within for ways to change for the better.
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Fuck these police and they wonder why people hate em so much. They would have never done that in a white neighborhood and accidentally killed some little white girl. If you think drugs aren’t dealt in white neighborhoods you are naive or a liar. The thing is the cops and American society as a whole DO NOT VALUE BLACK LIFE, that is why shit like this continues to happen because guess what, it’s just a nigger. Then they will try to justify it with bullshit because guess what, just a nigger. Fuck these police I do not respect a fucking cop at all!
And fuck this murder-sympathizing idiot a couple posts above me who is still defending the police. Stop drinking the police koolaid, you think they are gods with a gun and a badge. As long as this shit doesnt happen in YOUR neighborhood it’s all well and good.
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Everybody is so appalled by this, but none of you people are appalled that 95 percent of black people are killed by other black people and that black kids are being killed everyday in the hood by other blacks. It takes a black kid to be killed by a white cop for black people to get angry. Furthermore, 3 times more policemen are killed annually by blacks than vice versa. Abagond, your selective outrage is absurd and just proves how much of a phony and bigot you really are.
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@Andrew
Oh we are not appalled by that please provide us with where anyone on this blog said that they wasn’t.
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Andrew:
Please do not put words in my mouth or presume to read my mind. I know two people who were killed in black-on-black murders, so yes I am appalled. I have yet to do a post on it – though I have talked about it in bits and pieces here and there. But this post is about Aiyana and the police, so please do not derail.
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I have little to no respect for cops, and I don’t care if this was an accident. Yes, I think having authority goes to their head. This will catch up to the cop that killed that innocent little girl. This is one of the reasons why white people have such a high suicide rate. They have to live with the evil that they inflicted upon people of color or maybe people in general and then it catches up to them after some years have passed and then they blow their brains out because they can no longer handle the guilt.
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This is why I hate America and white people
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While I feel very sad that a young innocent’s life was tragically cut short, all this coverage regarding Caylee Anthony’s untimely passing by her mother goes to show you that the media is biased. I was on one site and the people on there were talking about poor Caylee Anthony. What about the other poor POC who received very little coverage? It’s positively maddening.
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“The great white man”
Abagond, I know this is very late, but do you not know a trol/racebaiter when you see one?
As for the story, cases like this happen faar to often. It’s said. there were 26 men killed in the beginning of this year alone due to looking “suspicious”, but a little girl is pushing it.
I swear, everyone that tries to dance around this issue by saying “incompetence” or “accidents” are in denial. Police across the country have been killing innocent black men and women for years, and they ALWAYS have an excuse for it. They get off. Why? Zimmerman has people that side with him over a horsepiss law called “stand your ground”. While a mentally disabled black man, whose competency level is lower than the standard, can be executed for killing a police officer?! These bastards can kill children and get off!?
Why do people keep trying to downplay it!? What are people afraid of!? Especially the BLACK folks who try to be too perfect to the point of downplaying obvious racism against our own kind.
They all make me sick, and the folks trying to silently defend the police by saying “incompetence” need to get a reality check.
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Now we know eactly what the whites agenda for blacks in America is..If u can’t figure it out, God help u.
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when people take innocent lives, especially children, their body is gone but their soul isn’t it goes to our creator of them, of mankind, and of the beast and the fowl of the air…all will come back to him! GOD! You see, iblis (the devil) doesn’t judge as to what is right or wrong! He has no conscience! Iblis has been at war with GOD from the beginning of time! He makes mankind cause mischief in the land! He makes them do all sort of evil just with a whisper! Before you know it your acting on what you think is right! It’s all around us, everyone waking, sleeping & moment we live or breathe…iblis (devil) was against god ever since he created adam the first black man that ever existed while he was still in heaven with god! He couldn’t understand why GOD was creating him! He thought to himself GOD would replace him, he thought he was better then gods first creation he was making out of clay! He argued with god about it and that worried iblis…Iblis rudely questioned his creator god, the creator of the heavens and earth and everything in it! The creator of him in fact, an immortal, being made of fire! GOD even created the jinn!! Iblis didn’t mind that! But he did mind and worry when GOD created this being! He became exceedly jealous! He would walk pass his body lying their in heaven over the period of time god was creating him! GOD wanted him to be special! His first creation of man! What iblis failed to realize is that he creates what he wills and he causes death to what he wills even if iblis disagrees with it! How ungrateful and puffed up he was to think he was better then someone else and to argue with god about his decision to make man! A Black man at that!
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[…] "Aiyana Stanley Jones (c. 2003-2010) was a seven-year-old girl shot dead by the Detroit police in a military-style raid on her home in the middle of the night. This was at 4054 Lillibridge in east Detroit at 12:40 am on Sunday May 16th 2010. The police were looking for a murder suspect, who it seems they later found in the upstairs flat of the house." […]
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Femi that was a brilliant comment. Abagond, absolutely Great Blog. I teared up because I didn’t know all those details.
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This excellent video is dedicated to Aiyana. Warning: it’s very sad.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzzMOMkjm8A)
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