Alan Blueford (1993-2012) was gunned down on the streets of Oakland, California by the police in the early hours of May 6th 2012, his body left to lay there for four hours, his family not informed. Like he was some stray dog. He was to graduate high school in June.
The police said that when they were on their way to answer another call they saw the suspect (Blueford) and two others standing at the corner of 90th and Birch Street at about midnight. The police “believed the young men had a concealed weapon,” so they stopped and got out of their patrol car with guns drawn. The suspect ran. One of the two officers ran after him. According to a witness the suspect ran down the street shooting his gun. The police said he shot the officer in the stomach. The officer returned fire. An ambulance rushed both to the hospital: the officer lived, the suspect died. A gun was found 30 feet (10m) from where the suspect was shot down.
Then the police said there were only four shots – three at the suspect and one at the leg of the officer, possibly from “friendly fire”.
And then the police said when the suspect pointed his gun at the officer, the officer fired three shots back but the suspect fired none. The fourth shot came from the officer shooting himself in the foot.
And, as it turns out, the ambulance took the officer to the hospital but not Blueford.
The police did not tell his family that he was dead, even though Blueford always carried ID. When his family went to the police station to get answers, they were made to wait in the lobby for two hours – and then were told that he died but little else: the police said it was still under investigation by internal affairs.
Blueford’s family doubts he had a gun. Even if he did the police themselves admit he did not fire one. And since he was running from the police it is unlikely he would turn to point it at the officer without firing. The family says he was shot in the back.
Blueford’s father:
I know my son would never shoot a gun. My son is just getting his life together. He’s graduating. There’s hardcore criminals that don’t pull guns on a police officer. This is unimaginable.
Blueford is not the Perfect Victim. While he helped disabled children and wanted to become an X-ray technician, he was also on juvenile probation for a break-in in 2011.
MC Hammer has known Blueford since he was six and spoke at the protest at the police station a week later.
No arrest has been made.The police will not even say who the killer cop is, only that he or she is on paid administrative leave.
The case will be investigated by the Oakland police, both by their internal affairs department and a homicide detective, as well as the Oakland district attorney’s office.
See also:
- November 19th 2011: Kenneth Chamberlain
- February 2nd 2012: Ramarley Graham
- February 26th 2012: Trayvon Martin
- March 21st 2012: Rekia Boyd
- Oscar Grant – also Oakland
- Sean Bell
- Aiyana Jones
- slave patrols
- The police
- The black brute stereotype
- How to be a victim…
It’s like the Trayvon Martin case was a challenge for them to see if they could do it again. Black and Brown lives mean nothing to them. What makes me most angry is that this gusano is on PAID LEAVE. I wish that it had been a white boy, then maybe those cabrones would have some fallout to deal with rather than just waltzing away from murder.
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…And the saga continues. SMH.
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This is depressing.
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What has happened here AGAIN is beyond tragic, it’s downright abominable. Ugh. I feel so sorry for his family. The officer responsible is being paid administrative leave pending investigation. Wth?! That’s pretty much a paid paid vacation. And for what? The senseless killing of this young man? Wow, just wow!
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@ Abagond
Noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m tired now. And I just started my shift.
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damn. i’m from oakland and this is my first time hearing this. the police does not give a damn about black people, period. i’m tired of hearing young black men getting shot for no reason. if this keeps up, i can see a race war happening.
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and this is why i don’t watch the news. too much depression shit.
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Where are the strong African American leaders? When are they going to take a serious stand to stop the bloodshed?
Don’t African Americans have a case at the UN? I am no scholar but African Americans have enough hard data to show that their people are clearly being targeted/persecuted in the USA.
They probably won’t get a “conviction” but if somebody is ballsy enough to build a case and take it to the UN it would receive international attention and shame the USA on their territory. They would be forced to take serious actions.
Again, I am not qualified to know if that is a possibility or just a fantasy.
Perhaps, someone can shed some light on if that would be possible or not?
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According to this report the police officer who shot Alan Blueford was named either Manual or Miguel Masso:
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2012/05/16/18713543.php
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Is this ever going to stop?
@HD – the UN is not impartial and is unlikely to act against the government of one of its most powerful members. Also, without wishing to diminish this, there are even worse injustices going on which the UN can’t or won’t do anything about.
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@ sanabituranima
“the UN is not impartial and is unlikely to act against the government of one of its most powerful members”
Probably true but the purpose would be to raise awareness and get international attention.
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@ Uncle Milton
I heard it was Miguel Masso. Not sure where that is coming from.
@ HD
The USA is BEYOND shame. White Americans practise Super-Elastic, Shame-Proof Moral Reasoning ®.
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From Uncle Milton’s link:
HD take note! That is what I am talking about.
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This is just the beginnings of America become a police state and eventually falling under martial law. POCs are the test subjects. I have been saying this for years. This story is so jumbled that I can barely follow it. It’s like a high school version of “he say, she say”. It’s an open invitation to anyone who wants to kill black men to just join the police force. This is scary. I have to pray harder and harder as I get older for God to prevent hate from entering my heart. Racist whites or so-called race realist are the scum of the earth. I wish their mom had swallowed them instead.
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R.I.P Blueford…I wish for peace for the family.
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@ Abagond
Unrelated but you might want to check it out….
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/trayvon-martin-shooter-had-two-black-eyes-broken-nose-court-records/article2434316/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Home&utm_content=2434316
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All apart of “The Plan.”
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…” It’s an open invitation to anyone who wants to kill black men to just join the police force….”
^^^^THIS. I’m convinced that the KKK, morphed into the police force. I hate to ask, but, why did he run? Why? Why? hWy? yhW?
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@ Oyan
Nerves…fear, anxiety…just seeing those bobbies is enough to make anyone scram. Which is what they want as an excuse to shoot you.
Don’t think I’m crazy but my family and I now have a system of total connection when one of us leaves the house.
We text each other to say, ” At the store.” Or ” Home now.” Or something like that…we keep tabs on each other just to know where the other one is at ALL times.
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Oh by the way, Oyan and everyone else…the KKK ARE the police in the “good ole days.” The NRA was formed with the intention of killing off blacks.
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Whose fingerprints were on the gun they found? That seems like a very important question but no one here has bothered to ask it. Why not? Because it’s not a necessary part of their preferred narrative.
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Here we go!
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@ Truthbetold,
I’ve mentioned it in another thread, but I have cops in my family. NYPD. I always find it heartbreaking when cops dishonor the force by doing things like this. So do they.
The fact of the matter is that we have bigoted citizens. Since their bigotry isn’t questioned, we wind up with bigoted cops. We get bigoted officials, and bigoted jurors. Their biases don’t go away the minute they’re sworn in. It wouldn’t even matter if the majority of cops weren’t bigots. The fact that at least a few of them are, and they have the badge and gun to give them the power over the lives of others, is what makes it so frightening. And since they are not severely punished, we are taught that black life means less, and there is no deterrent against excessive force in the future.
I am a firm believer that certain cops are trained to be harsher and shoot first in regards to black people. All you need is one of those cops, and you have a dead black man.
@ Duckduckgoofs,
“Whose fingerprints were on the gun they found? That seems like a very important question but no one here has bothered to ask it. Why not? Because it’s not a necessary part of their preferred narrative.”
So why don’t you enlighten us. What is their “preferred narrative”?
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I’m telling ya’ll. Something’s going to happen that will push people over the edge. This shooting is leading up to that moment.
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I want to say this is unbelievable, but it really isn’t. It’s almost like the police keep trying to see how much racism, violence and murder they can get away with before the public tries to stop them. I’m just hoping this causes at least something of a media uproar to draw some more attention to this kind of shit that goes on way too often and that many (mostly white) people seem to be largely ignorant of.
(Expecting a “race realist” to come in any moment now)
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I remember a lady who told me that she was married to a guy who was proposing that Black men in particular be placed on the endangered species list, and she delineated why he felt that way. It was so long ago that I do not remember the conversation, but I remember pondering this idea. I am beginning to think that with all of the events that have been happening one after another, this idea should be put forth again. Perhaps this time, all Black people should be considered for such a list, and included in the language should be “endangered humans.”
The police departments seem to attract a good number of people who are dogmatic, and authoritarian, but without a good moral compass to handle such a stressful job. People who have no real understanding of cross cultural differences, or what the job of police officer entails, seem to make it onto the police force for some strange reason. They are not only a danger to themselves, but to other police officers who do their job, and to the citizens they are supposed to protect. Our police forces are becoming more militarized, and I think that at worse we are headed toward martial law. My prayer is that people including the so called “race realist” will begin to wake up. America is at a critical juncture politically, racially, and economically, and the focus needs to be on working together to overcome those problems. It is depressing to read another article about a questionable shooting of another young Black man.
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@ Brothawolf,
I get that feeling too sometimes. When people are regularly pushed and treated like crap, they don’t always shrug it off and hope it won’t happen again, and again, and again.
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@ Anonymous
This is what they want, our destruction…
http://diaryofanegress.com/2012/05/13/the-plan/
Cops are just like you and me with bad days, anxiety and depression; and hate in their hearts. They too watch the propaganda and fear the black man.
I’m scared that something is brewing and soon we’ll all be in danger.
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@ Brothawolf and Ace
I felt it from Rodney King. Blacks have looooooooooooong memories. And so do Natives, if you get my drift.
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Will it never end? So many lives lost to mind-warping racism.
@ Brothawolf, Ace and Truthbetold
I’ve also been having the feeling something is bubbling under the surface. I don’t even live in the US, but watching what is happening there leaves me with expectations of something explosive. It’s as if the fuse is lit, but I have no idea how long the wait will be until it blows up.
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@ the noun
Believe me when I say that whites are very well aware of our plight. They are the creators of it.
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Its like one step forward and two steps back…
As the rationalisations start coming in from the police or anyone trying to defend this, there is something else that is very ominous in the background, the bigger picture , the picture that speaks to much bigger issues at play here…that just seem to be a part of the social fabric that has always been in place and just doesnt seem to go away in time. Things that go all the way back to the “slave patrol” days…
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“I’m telling ya’ll. Something’s going to happen that will push people over the edge. This shooting is leading up to that moment.”
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I could be wrong but I suspect that we are still quite a ways away from *critical mass.* Perhaps that time might arrive when more people aren’t as absorbed in how their favorite sport teams and personalities are faring in this year’s playoffs? Or caught up in some other well orchestrated distractions that serve to keep people off balance, unfocused, divided and disorganized.
The *controllers* are experts in knowing how to distract/dissuade people from seeing and reacting to what’s happening right in front of their faces. Plus, there’s a lot of people of all persuasions who aren’t willing/desiring to see anything more, or less, than what they’re accustomed to seeing/believing.
America couldn’t operate the way it does – as a land of great pretense – without the willfully ignorant supporting this Beast.
It’s the fractured common people’s inability to empathize coupled with their racist (superior) attitudes that makes the following scenario a distinct possibility.
First they came for the black people,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t black.
Then they came for the brown people,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t brown.
Then they came for the Asians,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t Asian..
Then they came for white folks
and there was no one left to speak out for me!
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@ B.R.
Yep.
This “slave patrol” mentality only is here because no one really stood up and held the people who made this accountable. Now we have a modern society that still views black lives as worthless and criminal, mixed with a lack of accountability to ever deter it, and so we have people in positions who think that way, and who have the power to take it out on any black person who gives them an excuse to.
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I’m tired. I’m sorry, but it’s getting worse. It’s getting worse out there.
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@ truthbetold
“I’m scared that something is brewing and soon we’ll all be in danger.”
I am afraid this is the case as well. I just don’t want to give in to fear, because I think that is part of the plan too. For poc to become fearful, and these racist types do anything and everything to create a sense of fear as a means of contoling people. When people are afraid it is hard to respond from a place of rationality. I think this is part of the plan. I think that the people who want things to go back to the old slave patrol days, don’t get it. People after a prolonged period of time dealing with oppression wise up, and get sick and tired of being afraid and will begin to resist.
@ Matari
“First they came for the black people,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t black.
Then they came for the brown people,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t brown.
Then they came for the Asians,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t Asian..
Then they came for white folks
and there was no one left to speak out for me!”
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Matari
I don’t think it will happen quite soon as well because it will have to be something so major and so emotional that it will be like Chernobyl. Something huge will trigger a reaction so catastrophic that it will cause a major explosion, AND the flow of power will continue, spread all over, and remain for years afterwards.
Man! I love my analogies lol.
I don’t think the murder Alan Blueford will be that spike in power as this has happened many times before. I don’t want to say we’re complacent with it, but we’re not nonchalant about it either as we’ve seen with past incidents with police and white-on-black murders. Still, America’s true racist demons are revealing themselves more so after the election of Barack Obama. When he got elected, the sleepers woke up – some of them and hate crimes increased. None of them were causes for a revolution or riot though, but there’s a chance a meltdown will occur.
It’s not a question of if, but when.
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@ Brothawolf,
I don’t think this will be the catalyst but, like with the TM murder, we are seeing people’s true colors. People are again having to reevaluate their place in this society and whether or not they’ve really gained any ground. They know they can’t trust the system to protect them. They’re constantly being reminded how little has really changed, how little they’re valued. It’s like an abuse victim who has a slow anger building up, not just from the terrible treatment, but also from how she’s told she deserves it, how she’s worthless.
The more people defend or excuse the behavior of bigots (especially violent ones), the more we will see these situations. All it takes is some man to go on a shooting spree or bomb a place heavily populated with “minorities” (or something that represents something symbolic to people of color) and people might explode, especially if white society acts disinterested or unwilling to take a stand against such an act (like an “acquittal”). Imagine what would have happened if the attempted MLK day bombing actually did what it’s builder’s intended and they were given a light sentence.
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Great posts, Matari, Ace, Brothawolf and Danila
There is an interesting article in the Huffington post related to this discusion ( not about this exact case, however)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/blackonwhite-crime-and-th_b_1521775.html
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@truthbetold I swear I pick the worst word choices in the world, because I did actually mean to say “uncaring” but then went and typed a totally unrelated word.
@Ace Honestly, I’m not too far from believing that would’ve happened. After all, white terrorism is apparently not terrorism at all according to white society.
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“People after a prolonged period of time dealing with oppression wise up, and get sick and tired of being afraid and will begin to resist.”
Resist? Hah! Please, media are reporting more and more about cases related to white on black murders to furthur fuel the fires while simultaneously staying quiet on attacks against whites for fear of a white backlash.
The situation in the USA is only going to get worse and worse until someone strikes first, and I’ll be surpirsed if it isn’t whites.
In the end, nothing will qwell this. It’s going to happen. No side wishes to bend to those they see a wrong, no side will win this.
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This is not a conflict between two equal sides. I suggest you read this: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/the-asymmetry-of-racism/ (Obviously, murder of anyone by anyone is never ok.)
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@ Yawn
Why, look at that. This man has uncovered the secret conspiracy that black people have with the media to oppress those poor whites who are never heard when one of their own gets murdered!
Seriously, it’s not like there are two perfectly equal sides in this, and white murder victims are pointed out, discussed and mourned far more often than victims from other races.
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A lot of outrage over a shooting that may have been justified, based on little factual information in opposition. This is not a poster child for any case that blacks are picked on.
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@ Yawn
You classify yourself as a hybrid. You come here and cry that you desperately want to “know” your Native bloodline yet you are so quick to dismiss any and all claims that people of colour have regarding racism?
Why? What do we have to gain by lying? No one listens to us anyway…
You’ve said you are not a white man in that exchange you had with Ace. She expressed, quite eloquently, her dissatisfaction with treatment of her(and mine) people. You agreed.
Now this?
You’re hateful. And racist. And proud.
And that is a dangerous combination.
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“Why, look at that. This man has uncovered the secret conspiracy that black people have with the media to oppress those poor whites who are never heard when one of their own gets murdered!”
Who said anything about a conspiracy? It’s fact, ever since the T.Martin case the media has reported constantly on more and more cases being blamed by white racism. The thing is though, innocent whites who have been attacked by mobs in retaliation for the lop-sidedness of the case have the media sweep it under the rug, as if it say “not as important”.
It’s funny when the media is leading the way to a race war.
But whatever, as I’ve stated many times, racism will never be totally eliminated. So I’m not totally shocked if the USA degrades into complete chaos.
I’ll be sitting here patiently waiting with a bag of popcorn though, it should be an interesting spectacle to behold. Well, until it spills up here into Canada.
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@Truth
“You classify yourself as a hybrid. You come here and cry that you desperately want to “know” your Native bloodline yet you are so quick to dismiss any and all claims that people of colour have regarding racism?
Why? What do we have to gain by lying? No one listens to us anyway…
You’ve said you are not a white man in that exchange you had with Ace. She expressed, quite eloquently, her dissatisfaction with treatment of her(and mine) people. You agreed.
Now this?
You’re hateful. And racist. And proud.
And that is a dangerous combination.”
Yes, I’m a hybrid. Also m’lady I find “people of colour” to be racist in itself, as whites are a colour no? But I digress, it’s hard to keep up with the thought pattern of Americans. I’m tired of trying to be compassionate to something that doesn’t really register for me. SW6 (I think that’s his name) seems to resonate with me more, but I suppose that’s due to him being from the UK and then Canada, where racism isn’t as vile as it is in the US.
Also, I agreed with Ace (wasn’t aware she was a she but huh) because she remained quite neutral when she was talking to me, that is something I appreciate plus, her story resonated with me more.
And no, I’m not hateful … nor racist, Nor proud.
You see my apathy towards what’s going on in the USA as something that’s hateful, no .. just ironic. Come on, I’m giving you want you dream for, confirmation about your own biases. In the end, we both know the USA is going down swinging. I just find it amusing, that’s all.
And I never dismissed any and all claims of racism .. I actually AGREE that racism in rampant. From the tinniest action to outright in your face racism, it exists, I’m not denying nothing. But I know nothing will change, a “race” war is going to happen, I just hope it doesn’t spread north.
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Look’s like I spoke to soon .. yay .. god us humans really do need to just go extinct.
http://www.therecord.com/news/local/article/726335–sister-of-dead-teen-questions-robbery-self-defence-story
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Can I ask what is the point of this post? What is the conclusion we are supposed to draw or what conclusion has Abagond drawn from this?
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Abagond:
When are we as black people gonna realize that “history” is real? If it happened to previous generations of black people, the same ish can happen again in the future. A lot of blackmen in this country are in denial about what’s taking place. We’ve been distracted by sports and entertainment, which prevents us from paying attention to the real. The average blackman in this country is focused on hip-hop, sports, whips, bling, sex, etc. Most of us are not members of this blog and other black blogs which help to educate and inform our people. The reality that we as blackmen have to come to grips with, is that, we’re hated by other men simply because we’re black. Understand, it’s not just about whitemen, i’m talking about all non-black men. It’s easy for chicanos/indians and asians to come on this blog and empathize with the brothas when they’re contributing to the problem as well. I want other men to understand that all of us are not suckers. Don’t come with the fake tears, because, their situation is not the same as ours. I don’t care what anybody says. We’re fighting two levels of evil as blackmen…those within our race and those outside of our race. I’m tired of so-called good white folks and others pretending to care when they don’t because their sons are not being gunned down in the streets. If they really cared, none of this bs would be taking place. All of the multicultural crap doesn’t matter black people. How can society condone the killing of innocent black people, yet, vote for a so-called black president at the same time? I’m trying to wrap my head around that. Cali, the bluest of blue states…New York, bluest of the blue…Florida, purple in every sense of the word. All three states voted for Obama in 2008, What did it accomplish? As i’ve said a million times, those who claim to love us the most, blank blank blank. Oftentimes, the same group of other men that are always in our faces, are killing us at the same time. Black folk know the deal, no need to expound on that point. We continue to die because we’ve been living a lie from day one, as blackmen, we don’t connect the dots. I love my life, therefore, i make it my business to know what the f*** is going on at all times.
Tyrone
Free Aquarius
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@ Tyrone
Well stated.
I agree that black men in this country are fighting 2 wars but the foundation of our war is based on self-hatred caused by centuries of brainwashing, emasculation and destruction of our families aka slavery.
The war with white supremacy…that’s self-explanatory.
Money, in the form of sports, endorsements, movies, etc, provides black men in AmeriKlan the opportunity to fill that special void that can only come with low self esteem. We never had “it” before so now…we gorge. And FLAUNT it!
You are right….how do we as one people correct it? Those of us that are aware of it really do try..but the system, in one way or another, keeps us back intentionally. Tyrone, I am an educated lass but I’m working( HARD ) on leaving my world of medicine…I can’t fight them anymore. I know that feeling of giving up. I gave up once too…and it landed me in the hospital.
Black men( and women too ) are TIRED of the same shit! Every day! It doesn’t matter how hard you work, go to school, try to be a good dad/mom, brother/sister…you fail in one way or another!
As for the reason why black men don’t come on here or Brothawolfs blog or Field Negros blog…I don’t know….maybe they don’t know it’s out there. When you have young ‘uns to feed and your rent is due and your back is tired…who cares to sit in front of some laptop and cry to strangers?
I know and feel your frustration, believe me…but what to do? There’s a war going on with our people. It won’t stop till we’re destroyed.
Tyrone, read The Plan at my blog…you’ll like it.
http://diaryofanegress.com/2012/05/13/the-plan/
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@ Yawn
What’s your problem, bloke?
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Like I said on a another thread: they are in panic. Today the news reported that last year was officially the first year when there were more “minority” child births than whites with european backround in USA. Their world is slowly eroding. More children of color than white children. And because of the demography and the numbers, it will be even more this year and the years after that. That is why they are lashing out so violently. They are desperate. Desperate and violent.
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“What’s your problem, bloke?”
Nothing, you seem to assume I have one.
I could very well ask you the same thing, but we both know where that would lead to anyway.
Like I said, humans are all the same everywhere. I’m against all forms of racism and all forms of hate-crimes, but I’m not about to believe in the non-sense double standards that any attack on whites can be called nothing but a normal crime.
“That is why they are lashing out so violently. They are desperate. Desperate and violent.”
In the USA maybe, but us sane whites have better things to worry about besides what colour someone happens to be and to lash out at something like that is stupid anyway.
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@sam
I agree with your point, whites are losing it. What was the ignition that re-ignited the fire as it relates to hatred of blackmen? In my opinion, the inter-racial issue is the straw that broke the camel’s back. Again, the IR issue is part of the link that i talk about so much. Sam, this issue more so than any other fuels the animosity of other men who wish evil upon us. Yes, other ish adds to the problem, but, the black male/white female looms large. Think about it, What do men cherish the most on this planet? Of course, most folk would say women, which is correct. Whitewomen are choosing blackmen over their own men, on the flip side, whitemen had to rape blackwomen. All the crap they’ve done, and they’re still losing on both ends. I’m not trying to trivialize the killing of Alan Blueford and other blackmen, but, a lot of this ish revolves around sex and women. Men hate other men for two reasons…they want to be like a specific race of men…their women choose a specific race of men over them. Remember, sex and violence are linked in more ways than most of us would like to admit. Racist cops killing unarmed black males is about racial animosity within that officer, not those of the unfortunate brotha with a slug in his chest. Cause & Effect is what we should remember as black people going forward. Sam, stay true blackman!!!
Tyrone
Free Aquarius
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To play devil’s advocate, I do think that Yawn has a point – well, sort of. I think that at this time (as with all times, I mean who are we kidding), we need unity. It’s incredibly hard and I’m not saying we should just go along and be silent. But with the changes that are going to be coming to the world and to the US, race divisions will be an easy distraction from threats that would be weakened by true American unity. I personally think it’s a difficult thing to try for. So many Black Americans have been trying to just live in peace for so long, and we keep collectively getting the short end.
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@truthbetold
Appreciate the feedback. Blackmen and blackwomen as well gotta take the blinders off if they want to survive on this planet. Some of our people have been living in “Disneyland” too long, It Shows! All of this insanity never went away, it went underground. We’re so shocked about black people being gunned down like deers, Why? Black folks in the hood thinking one way, those in the burbs thinking differently, Why? Yes, our race has come a long way, but, the fight still goes on. Blackmen are starting to love themselves and blackwomen as well. That can’t happen in the minds of others, because, black unity is teflon in every sense of the word. Keeping blackmen at odds with who they are is part and parcel of what we’re fighting against. “Black Eros” is our shield. No weapon known to humankind can defeat or enslave B.E. Truth, it’s a perilous time for our race right now. The senseless violence in this country, radical islam in africa, hiv/aids, socialism, etc. I’m confident in our race, we’ve been thru this fire before. Our ancestors were pushed into the fire, walked thru the fire, and escaped the flames to ensure our survival as a race on this planet. We should never forget that, Never! I will check out the blog, Thanks!
Tyrone
Black Eros
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@ Mamzer
Yawn is apathetic. He’s stated that it doesn’t affect him but it does…I’m writing a post tonight about that in fact. Unity is the opposite of supremacy. That’s why we’ll never acquire it. Too much is at stake. Whites are running scared and it shows; they are preparing for this race war…whilst we are preparing for living our lives, raising our kids, buying that house, building that shed in the backyard…etc.
Our race is under fire. And sadly, some of our own people are the cause of it for a little thing called money. Michael Steele, Amy Holmes, Juan Williams, anyone?
I just don’t know what to do anymore with this situation. We mind our own business but everyone is obsessed with us! That is the real reason why they’re here on this blog…to see what the Negroes are up to.
Satanforce said once, ” It’s to see how they measure up against educated college/university level blacks.” Perhaps he was right? They love it here.
As for Mr. Blueford, he is one of many to come till we say enough.
They we’ll set the world on fire.
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truthbetold I just don’t know what to do anymore with this situation. We mind our own business but everyone is obsessed with us! That is the real reason why they’re here on this blog…to see what the Negroes are up to.
Not exactly. Nearly every one of abagond’s posts is about the big bad white folks. That’s about all you guys ever talk about. Its not surprising a few whites would straggle in when you’re talking ish about them. If you weren’t talking about them I doubt any would have ever come here.
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Id be here, I ve learned so much .
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goofs,
We talk ish about the things they do when it comes to PoC. This is one places where we go to talk about it without being told how wrong we are.
I doubt anyone here would go to somewhere like Chimpout and waste their time over there because the outcome is predicable.
Also, the last line sounds like shifting the blame to the victims of racism and not the perpetrators which happen to be largely white.
This post is one of those examples that remind us that we are not safe in this country BECAUSE we’re not born with pale skin. There is no logic or morality in that simple policy.
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@duckduckgoofs:
Why don’t you just kiss the white man’s buttock and be done with it? Right or left buttock, doesn’t matter.
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[…] more and more reports pertaining to police murdering black men and women, to racial profiling continuing at extreme rates against black and brown men, to the continuous […]
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@ brothawolf We talk ish about the things they do when it comes to PoC.
I don’t think you care about “PoC” at all. You just want them to agree with you.
Also, the last line sounds like shifting the blame to the victims of racism and not the perpetrators which happen to be largely white.
Not at all. I’ve found that those whom you claim to be “victims” are often the perpetrators.
This post is one of those examples that remind us that we are not safe in this country BECAUSE we’re not born with pale skin.
And this post reminds me that some people scream racism before they even know the facts.
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@ Herneith Why don’t you just kiss the white man’s buttock and be done with it? Right or left buttock, doesn’t matter.
Why should I kiss yours instead?
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“I don’t think you care about “PoC” at all. You just want them to agree with you.”
I made a mistake with the italics.. That was my response to Brothawolf’s first comment.
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“This post is one of those examples that remind us that we are not safe in this country BECAUSE we’re not born with pale skin”
Is this what we are supposed to take away from this post? All black people are not safe in this country because a cop shot a black kid with a police record that started running when he saw the cops?
So by that logic does it mean that white people should assume that they are not safe in this country when a white person is assaulted or murdered by a black person?
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“He’s stated that it doesn’t affect him but it does”
This sound be good.
“Whites are running scared and it shows; they are preparing for this race war…whilst we are preparing for living our lives, raising our kids, buying that house, building that shed in the backyard…etc.”
I just cut my back and side lawn not to long ago, but I suppose I could call it lynch practicing according to you. No, most whites I know are not running scared nor are they even remotely worried about a race war, Canada is reletively safe. What I stated was I do not want the USA’s delusion crawling north. And the link I gave was an example of what I meant by things never change, even in Canada if anyone who’s white is involved directly or indirectly, someone throws out the racism word like candy being given to kids on halloween. This is why I’ve said before and again we can change the system of oppression, but we can’t change the mind of humans.
“I just don’t know what to do anymore with this situation. We mind our own business but everyone is obsessed with us! That is the real reason why they’re here on this blog…to see what the Negroes are up to.”
Truth, we both know if Abagond was only posting topics related directly to blacks and other minorities and never typed anything with “white” in it, his blog would be dead. That’s why so many flock here, whites want to see what the hubra is about, and blacks and others want to feel like they are all one and the same.
You know, kinda like those White Nationalist sites where some of the registered members and commentors who agree with some of those nasty racist aren’t even white, but they agree with the notion you know “one nation for each race”
blah blah ..seperation blah blah and whatever the hell those tools believe.
“Satanforce said once, ” It’s to see how they measure up against educated college/university level blacks.” Perhaps he was right? They love it here.”
Eh so so, I only enjoy the views of those you’d label “house negros” or whatever it is. Some have the same stance as I do, against all forms of racism
from all sides.
Plus I’m not the smart, and I was taught growing up that I should respect everyone, if I’m smarter than them or not. So generally intelligence has no barring to me, hell some people make more sense from my own ramblings than I can (ace showed that).
*As for Mr. Blueford, he is one of many to come till we say enough.*
A shame. No one deserves to have their life taken away.
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I’m tired.
I had a long day…
I’m not going to fight tonight..first Ramarley, then Trayvon,,,now Alan…all young and good-looking and hopeful for a future…
http://diaryofanegress.com/2012/05/17/hes-got-betty-davis-eyes/
If you think that this DOESN’T affect you…because you are white…read this.
Night Folks.
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goofs,
Not at all. I’ve found that those whom you claim to be “victims” are often the perpetrators.
Like who? And on that note what makes them any more of the problem than the people who continue to support the systems that continue to keep us down in one way or another?
And this post reminds me that some people scream racism before they even know the facts.
We don’t scream racism like some sort of conditioned immediate reaction like some trained animal. By the way, what facts are you referring to?
Aaron,
Is this what we are supposed to take away from this post? All black people are not safe in this country because a cop shot a black kid with a police record started running when he saw the cops?
So by that logic does it mean that white people should assume that they are not safe in this country when a white person is assaulted or murdered by a black person?
If you want to take it like that, by all means. This is what I, as an individual, take it as whenever I hear about stories like this. Why? Because I could be the next one.
And why is that whenever something like this happens, the first thing that comes from some people’s mouths are that the murdered had a police record? Is this a ploy to try to make people have less sympathy for the dead? Is this a tactic to try to get people to not feel for a black person if he or she is killed by police?
Anyone in this or any other nation are not 100% safe from anything. But here in America, PoC have to live with the burden of ending up killed because of the way they look, meaning their skin determines whether they live or die. I’m not saying that it’s absolute, but that is part of the fear many PoC have.
However, when a white person is murdered by a black person, that seems to be an automatic call for caution whenever white people see black people anywhere. To them most or all black people are gunning for them.
And most of the time, whites who were victims of black crime were not victims because of their skin. It’s because of circumstance.
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@ Yawn
Before I shut down my computer…I’m going to ask you that you think about what we’ve been saying here. Nothing more….
G’Night.
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“This post is one of those examples that remind us that we are not safe in this country BECAUSE we’re not born with pale skin”
Is this what we are supposed to take away from this post? All black people are not safe in this country because a cop shot a black kid with a police record started running when he saw the cops?
So by that logic does it mean that white people should assume that they are not safe in this country when a white person is assaulted or murdered by a black person?
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Nope. By that logic it means that white people should assume that they are not safe in this country when black cops earn paid leaves for murdering white kids who did nothing more than start running when they saw the cops.
When that becomes as commonplace as cops murdering Blacks, then you’ll truly know your azz is in a sling.
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And in the last ten years, how many cops shot black people who werent doing anything but running away? Or to make it easier, how many times did it happen in 2011?
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I’m tired of these babies being cut down in the prime of their lives. I’m also tired of our society’s nonchalance about these deaths. And can we please stop automatically blaming the victim?! It’s like you have to be a saint before anyone dares to show some empathy towards another human being.
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@ brothawolf By the way, what facts are you referring to?
There aren’t many facts because investigators are usually under a gag order until after the investigation is complete. Which is why black race-baiters like to talk ish while the investigation is on-going and run away before the report is released. However, there is one fact that was released. Police found a GUN at the scene. At the very least, that should give one pause not to run around talking trash. But, of course, it won’t.
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Aaron,
You asked, “And in the last ten years, how many cops shot black people who werent doing anything but running away? Or to make it easier, how many times did it happen in 2011?”
I’ll leave you this article that shows a total of 17 black men shot and killed since 1999:
http://www.theroot.com/multimedia/beyond-trayvon-black-and-unarmed
But wait, there’s more…unfortunately. 29 more black people have been killed by police/security in 2012. The report is located at the bottom:
And you mentioned 2011. Well:
http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/03/miamis_spate_of_cop_shootings_of_black_men.html
http://madamenoire.com/111124/exclusive-activists-pursue-justice-for-black-man-killed-by-uncertified-georgia-cop/
http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2011/08/riots-erupt-in-london-after-police-shoot-black-man/
http://sfbayview.com/2011/unnamed-young-black-man-killed-by-oakland-police/
http://gothamist.com/2012/04/04/shocking_death_of_unarmed_marine_ve.php
http://brownwatch.squarespace.com/police-brutality-watch/2011/3/8/unarmed-black-man-killed-by-baltimore-police-was-informant.html
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/16387288/man-killed-by-police-laid-to-rest
http://www.yourblackworld.com/2011/08/08/black-college-student-killed-by-campus-police/
http://www.workers.org/2011/us/black_youth_gunned_down_0804/
There may be more, but that’s all I could find online.
Happy?
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goofs,
No one is saying that Blueford was an angel. If there was a gun found at the scene, it has to be examined to see if it was fired or not.
Are we saying Blueford was an angel? No. We are saying that when it comes to the police not only are we not given the same treatment as middle/upper-class whites and Asians, but we can’t trust them to handle a murder case objectively especially if members of their precinct were the killers. This is why we have a hard time trusting them. They are like a gang or mob to some of us, including myself.
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@ DuckDuckGoofs,
“There aren’t many facts because investigators are usually under a gag order until after the investigation is complete. Which is why black race-baiters like to talk ish while the investigation is on-going and run away before the report is released. However, there is one fact that was released. Police found a GUN at the scene. At the very least, that should give one pause not to run around talking trash. But, of course, it won’t.”
Yeah police found a gun but it wasn’t fired. I don’t see what your issue is whenever anybody talks about black people being victims of violence. You seem almost intent on claiming “race baiting” whenever someone talks about it and recognizes a common pattern of race being involved in the situation. It’s a known fact that police often show a disregard to the health and safety of black people, even children. No one is claiming Alan blueford was a perfect victim, but they are getting tired of black people being shot down for doing things that would just get a white man arrested. If they break the law, arrest them, question them, that’s fine. But don’t just look for any excuse to shoot them like rabid dogs. They have rights too.
To you, anyone is a “black race baiter” if they don’t subscribe to the typical “only white people can judge what is racist” mentality. I’m sorry but a black person will have more of an ability to judge a black-focused racial situation than you would. So I don’t want to hear you pretend to be some rational party here.
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@ Aaron
Just as killing a cop or a judge is way worse than killing a private citizen, so too getting killed by a cop for no good reason is way worse than being killed by a private citizen. Both are a far graver threat to law and order than ordinary street crime.
Having a criminal record is not an excuse for being gunned down in the street. And, in any case, the police did not know that at the time.
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@ Duck
The police found a gun but it was not fired and, given what we know, it is unlikely it was even pointed at them.
There have been plenty of cases in the past where the police have got away with murder, so given that AND their shifting story in this case, I am 90% sure I am not jumping to conclusions.
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@ Brothawolf
Thanks for the many links.
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@ Abagond,
If it means anything, I’ve mentioned I have NYPD in my family before, so this isn’t coming from someone who has a distrust of cops. Even they acknowledge the terrible fact that the police have been acting much harsher towards black men, women, and yes children, than anyone else.
Even if he didn’t have a gun, I am certain that he could have been treated harshly or shot. And cops have even been found guilty for even making up phantom PoC to blame things on when they want attention, just like everyone else. it’s no far stretch to presume that they take care of their own and will do their best to cover up for a cop with a racial agenda. It doesn’t matter how many good cops don’t think like they do, all that matters is that it takes ONE racist cop with a gun and a god complex, and you’ve got a dead person.
In fact, i’d say that excessive force against black men, women, and children is one of the most apparent examples of racism, because these are people acting with a racial bias who are in the position to use that bias to ruin the lives of other people. It’s easy to roll your eyes and start crying “race baiters” when you’re not the usual target of this.
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@ brothawolf No one is saying that Blueford was an angel. If there was a gun found at the scene, it has to be examined to see if it was fired or not.
It doesn’t matter whether Blueford was a mass murdering rapist who had just robbed a liquor store. Nor does it matter whether the gun was fired. Neither has any bearing on whether the officer’s use of force was justified. Simply having a gun in your hand in that type of situation justifies the use of force.
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@Ace To you, anyone is a “black race baiter” if they don’t subscribe to the typical “only white people can judge what is racist” mentality. I’m sorry but a black person will have more of an ability to judge a black-focused racial situation than you would.
No. One becomes a race-baiter when they make accusations they can’t support and brush aside evidence that doesn’t support their view — like a gun being found at the scene. And I’ve never said only white people can judge what is racist. But from what I’m reading here I’d trust their judgement before I’d trust yours.
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@ Abagond There have been plenty of cases in the past where the police have got away with murder, so given that AND their shifting story in this case, I am 90% sure I am not jumping to conclusions.
I don’t doubt that plenty of officers have gotten away with murder. But there have also been plenty of cases in which the prevailing opinion has been wrong until after all the facts were known. So I’d rather just stick to what we know and wait until the investigation is complete. And i think you probably should, too.
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@duckduckgoofs:
Well, the cops have killed innocent white victims too in USA. I think one instance it was a homeless individual who was killed because, well, he was homeless. Some years ago, I think back in the 80’s, they shot a kid who had a plastic toy gun in his hand on his own home yard. That kid was not obeying orders which was propably understandable since he had a toy gun, was playing on his home yard and did not even understand what was going on. He was ten yrs old or so.
The thing is that when cops start to behave like this, they are no longer upholding to law. They are running amok. They are abusing the law. They are disregarding the law. They are no longer a police but a paramilitary organisation punishing and terrorizing the people, they are not for the people nor they no longer protecting the people.
If it is ok in your mind to shoot running person on the back without any reason, then it is ok for you that cops can execute anyone at any time at any place at their will. And that, my friend, is not how a civilized society works. That is how a dictatorships and totalitarian societies operate.
Also, if it makes it allright to kill anyone with a police record, think again. If any of your friends or relatives have ever been arrested by the police for speeding for example, they are in those police records. Does that give the police the right to shoot them at sight?
And before you start ranting and raving about this or that, I have lots of friends who are cops but over here they do not shoot people at random and very seldomly if ever use firearms. Even when they are attacked physically they usually deal with those with their skills and abilities to handle those situations. That is because in my country most of the cops on the streets are serving society and try to keep everyone safe, even the offenders who are also humanbeings. They do not call arrested persons suspects but customers. And we have killers, gangs, gangsters, drug dealers, thieves, rapists, child murderers, muggers and the lot in this country. Not that there is not violence or cops are not using force, they do, but they do not just shoot people for running away, even if they are suspects. I mean, that does not serve justice in any way if the suspect is killed before arrest, does it?
As for this case, Buford was not a massmurdering rapist so why do you use those terms? Subtle manipulation from your part, eh?
And the gun? Not fired. Whose gun it is anyway? It was found on the “scene”. What frigging scene? There was no scene but a place where this kid ran away from! It became a “scene” only after the cops killed him for trying to get away.
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goofs,
You said, “It doesn’t matter whether Blueford was a mass murdering rapist who had just robbed a liquor store. Nor does it matter whether the gun was fired. Neither has any bearing on whether the officer’s use of force was justified. Simply having a gun in your hand in that type of situation justifies the use of force.”
The key word is ‘force’. That’s not the same as murder.
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goofs,
I should’ve said that force is no excuse to kill.
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“No. One becomes a race-baiter when they make accusations they can’t support and brush aside evidence that doesn’t support their view — like a gun being found at the scene.”
Which is what you do constantly, so what are you?
No one brushed aside the fact that there was a gun at the scene, and o one is trying to play him up as a perfect “angel”. They feel the use of force was unjustified, and it was. That’s all there is to it. And it’s easy for you to say it’s justified when you’re not the one targeted, but I bet you would think differently if you had to watch your friend get gunned down because they happened to have dark skin and therefore were treated like a mass murderer with a gun in their hand.
“And I’ve never said only white people can judge what is racist. But from what I’m reading here I’d trust their judgement before I’d trust yours.”
Of course, I’m not white. Of course I couldn’t possibly know how race affects situations like this more than a white person…If only I said things that you agreed with. Then I’d have trustworthy judgement 🙂
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@ brothawolf I should’ve said that force is no excuse to kill.
Posing a significant threat of serious bodily injury or death grants an officer the use of deadly force. A suspect brandishing a gun or even a knife qualifies.
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@ sam If it is ok in your mind to shoot running person on the back without any reason,
He wasn’t running when he was shot nor was he shot in the back.
Also, if it makes it allright to kill anyone with a police record, think again.
That was the opposite of my point.
As for this case, Buford was not a massmurdering rapist so why do you use those terms? Subtle manipulation from your part, eh?
No. My obvious point was that even serious crimes do not in themselves justify the use of deadly force. The only thing that justifies the use of deadly force is an immediate threat of death or serious injury to the officer or others.
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@ Ace
You like meaningless one-upmanship.
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@ duckduckgoofs
“And I’ve never said only white people can judge what is racist. But from what I’m reading here I’d trust their judgement before I’d trust yours.”
… seriously, I don’t even trust my own judgement on race matters more than most of the people here, for the simple fact that I can’t really be said to experience racism in my day to day life, while they certainly do. Taking their experiences and both treating them as anecdotal and assuming they are constructs that exist just so people of color can whine about, and I quote “the big bad white folk”, while also assuming white people just MUST know better and that they just automatically look at race in an objective, realistic manner does nothing more than show that you are far, far more racist than you think you are.
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Yeah, Duckgoofs, you arnt coming across too logical here even though you self tout yourself as stat oriented…
Why dont you just tell us what your mix really is, and go into detail about your shooting incident ?
I think you will feel much better
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“… seriously, I don’t even trust my own judgement on race matters more than most of the people here, for the simple fact that I can’t really be said to experience racism in my day to day life, while they certainly do. Taking their experiences and both treating them as anecdotal and assuming they are constructs that exist just so people of color can whine about, and I quote “the big bad white folk”, while also assuming white people just MUST know better and that they just automatically look at race in an objective, realistic manner does nothing more than show that you are far, far more racist than you think you are.”
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DOH !!!! *as some use to say back in the day*
In other words, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with the implication contained in TheNoun’s statement!! : ))
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@Brothawolf
A race war is precisely what they want to happen. As black people, we should not fall into that trap. If that conflict took place, they would be justified in killing as many black males as they could. Pay attention to what i’m gonna say black people? Whitemen didn’t kill us off when they had the chance, us being blackmen. We were a necessity they couldn’t live without, in terms of breeding with blackwomen. Racist whitemen have always beat themselves up, as it relates to not finishing the job. Slavery is over, they got what they wanted. Therefore, blackmen are disposable in their minds. Chicanos are the mules nowadays, they do all of the dirty work. The dilemma that blackmen bring to the table, revolves around whitemen and others having absolute power over everybody and everything. Out of all the men on the planet, we’re the only race of men they truly fear…Think About It? The powers-that-be don’t f*** with other men like they do compared to us. As i stated in a previous post, (Cause & Effect) is key to understanding this issue.
Tyrone
MindScape
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“We were a necessity they couldn’t live without…”
Tyrone speaks the truth. That’s why when slavery ended, they wanted to ship us back to Africa.Our purpose, to serve them and make them rich, was fulfilled.
Guys, this killing of our people is being done on purpose. And we’re falling into the traps.
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goofs,
You said, “Posing a significant threat of serious bodily injury or death grants an officer the use of deadly force. A suspect brandishing a gun or even a knife qualifies.”
If a gun was found 30 ft. from the scene, that doesn’t necessarily meant that it was Blueford’s. Also, it looks like the police keeps changing their story. Why would they be inconsistent with what happened?
The bottom line is that if a suspect does brandish a gun or knife, there are still ways to subdue and disarm the suspect without killing him. Since this was a black man, he appeared more menacing to them, and as such, killing him like an animal was the course they took.
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Tyrone,
I don’t doubt what you’ve said at all:
http://brothawolf.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/the-race-war/
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white people project that POC are intrinsically violent…never clearer to me that white people are intrisically violent against POC especially Black Men. Who is the animal: the one who acts only on instinct and fear, from carefully placed racist programming or the one who is shot dead merely for the act of living, breathing, being while Black? This is just too much.
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“Posing a significant threat of serious bodily injury or death grants an officer the use of deadly force. A suspect brandishing a gun or even a knife qualifies.”
How much significant threat does someone’s back, desperately running away, pose to anyone? And, as a gun was found so many feet away, if it even was Blueford’s, it probably was intentionally dropped or thrown down and, as it was so far away from Blueford’s shot-in-the-back corpse, it probably wasn’t being “brandished” (waved around threateningly) at the murderous cops in the first place.
Shooting someone who is trying to run away from you is NOT self-defense; it is murder.
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@ Stephanie
Whites project their violent tendencies on to us. The past doesn’t lie.
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@ Brothawolf If a gun was found 30 ft. from the scene, that doesn’t necessarily meant that it was Blueford’s.
That’s true. There are a lot of possibilities depending on whose fingerprints are on it. With the information we have at this point, there’s no way to draw a reasonable conclusion.
Also, it looks like the police keeps changing their story. Why would they be inconsistent with what happened?
According to Abagond’s post, the police haven’t changed their story. The first account was from a witness and differs from the police account. But the second and third accounts are from police and are consistent. Go back and reread it. The only difference is that they changed friendly fire to the officer shooting himself. Which, of course, would also be friendly fire.
The bottom line is that if a suspect does brandish a gun or knife, there are still ways to subdue and disarm the suspect without killing him. Since this was a black man, he appeared more menacing to them, and as such, killing him like an animal was the course they took.
It doesn’t work that way. When a suspect is armed with a knife and one of the officers has a taser they might try to disarm him. Otherwise, they shoot to kill. And when it comes to a gun they always shoot to kill. You can disagree but that’s standard procedure. I’ve always thought shooting someone with a knife was unnecessary in most situations. But the law considers it justified.
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@ TheNoun
That was a nice discourse but I never said any group knew better than another. Ace was the one who claimed that privilege. I simply said I wouldn’t trust her judgement.
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@ BR I think you will feel much better
I feel pretty good right now. But thanks for asking.
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@ Duck
The police changed their story considerably. At first the officer was shot in the stomach by Blueford, which gave the police good reason to shoot him dead. Now it is that the officer shot himself in the foot.
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@Truthbetold
Most definately…whites are foaming at the mouth to hurt POC.
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Abagond,
Thank you.
Duck,
You said, “When a suspect is armed with a knife and one of the officers has a taser they might try to disarm him.”
I said, “if a suspect does brandish a gun or knife, there are still ways to subdue and disarm the suspect without killing him.”
What you’ve said was one example of the point I was trying to make. They could’ve tased him, or in a less painful way, talked to him. If Blueford was shooting at them, they had a right to shoot back, but it doesn’t appear that that was the case.
It looks more and more like it was only the police that did the shooting. Not only that, according to this post, help was provided to the officer who shot himself, not to Blueford whose body was left behind.
All in all, the police shot first and didn’t bother to ask questions later. The reason why they starting firing was most likely the same reasons behind the police murders of Oscar Grant, Sean Bell, and other black men killed by cops.
Many cops see black men as frightening.
An ex-police chief by the name of Norm Stamper admits that this in his book “Breaking Bank”:
Simply put, white cops are afraid of black men. We don’t talk about it, we pretend it doesn’t exist, we claim “color blindness,” we say white officers treat black men the same way they treat white men. But that’s a lie. In fact, the bigger, the darker the black man the greater the fear. The African American community knows this. Hell, most whites know it. Yet, even though it’s a central, if not ‘the’ defining ingredient in the makeup of police racism, white cops won’t admit it to themselves, or to others (p. 92)
As a side note, it’s not exclusive to white cops as we’ve seen in Sean Bell’s case.
Stamper continues to how it gets no better through due-process:
Race and Class discrimination are all too real in every phase of the criminal justice system, from arrest to sentencing. Impoverished black defendants are far more likely to wind up on death row than rich or middle-class whites. Of the 3,700 inmates now awaiting execution nationwide, 43 percent are African-American. Black defendants are not accorded the same due process rights as whites, their cases are not given the same scrutiny and consideration afforded white defendants. Not now, not ever, not in this country! (p. 54).
This helps give some insight as to why Blueford’s body was left behind, and why the police poorly did their job informing the family. Simply put, the life and death of Alan Blueford and countless other black males are not a huge concern in this society. Period.
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By the way, I found Stamper’s quote here:
http://joydegruy.com/2009/uncategorized/a-harm-to-themselves-and-others-black-mentally-ill-and-imprisoned/
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@ brothawolf
The police are not required to try to disarm a suspect nor are they prohibited from shooting first. It doesn’t matter what either of us think about it. It’s still the law. The rest of your comment was a red herring.
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@ Abagond
The police may have changed their story. But according to what you wrote in that post they didn’t. According to your post the two versions the police provided were consistent. According to your post the different version was provided by a witness. I was just going by what YOU wrote.
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@ Duck
My mistake, my wording was ambiguous. I made it clear.
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Abagond
I understand now. I came on a little strong in that last comment. Sorry about that.
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Duck,
Just because the cops are not required to try and disarm the suspect or prohibited from shooting first, according to you, doesn’t make it right or justified.
It may be the law. I dunno, but not all laws are just. It goes far beyond what the law says and how it’s used when it comes to certain people. And from what I can tell, laws in this country are mainly used for controlling the poor and protecting the rich.
The second part of my comment was not a red herring. It’s to further the point I was making.
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@brothawolf look at all the wars in this culture going back to europe. It is usually the poor fighting the battles for the rich and sometimes its like they are having fun with peoples lives playing a big game of risk or stratego.
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Dave,
I never thought I’d say this to you, but that’s my point exactly.
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@ brothawolf
There have been several studies testing reaction time. And those studies show that someone is usually able to draw a gun and shoot before another person can respond. Therefore, police aren’t going to give someone a chance to drop the gun. Because if the person decides to shoot instead then the officer is going to get shot.
http://pqx.sagepub.com/content/14/4/323.abstract
http://www.policeone.com/Officer-Safety/articles/3705348-New-reaction-time-study-addresses-whats-reasonable-in-armed-suspect-encounters/
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@duckduckgoofs:
“When a suspect is armed with a knife and one of the officers has a taser they might try to disarm him. Otherwise, they shoot to kill. And when it comes to a gun they always shoot to kill. You can disagree but that’s standard procedure.”
Perhaps in practise but most police organisations do not try to kill a suspect as their first priority as a policy. Most police officers do not have to use their service gun ever during their whole careers. Some use them regularly which pegs the question why it us usually the same cops who are involved in these shootings. I think those trigger happy american cops are hust scared shitless and shoot first even with a slightest provocation or even without that.
As for the shootings in general, usually they are confused and chaotic. That is why in this case one cops shot himself too. Those clean neat surgigal shoot outs you see on the movies do not exist in the reality. Nor in this case. That makes me wonder, how the hell we have only cops shooting and we have dead black guy and one self inflicted wound if there was such a chaos and confusion, UNLESS the cops were scared shitless and went for it in a snap without the other party even trying to do anything.
If you think that those movie shoot outs happen in reality, think about this: In the legendary shoot out in OK Corral (actually it was not in OK Corral but in a alleyway behind the corral) you had four guys who were armed and at least three others who were armed. The distance between these men was from five to ten feet. Three of the men were known gun men, Doc Holliday, Wyatt Earp and Tom McLaury, so we had experts in there too.
The alley way was some ten to fifteen feet wide, so the whole area where the shooting took place was about fifteen feet wide and ten deep. And there were two horses in that space too.
In about thirty seconds they shot about 25 to 30 shots at each other. At least one was shot with a shotgun from roughly ten feet away. Three guys died, one was wounded on his calf, one was wounded on his back, one got a scartch on his hip and two got away without any injuries. Two horses got no injuries at all. All this from the distance of ten feet at max by men who were known for their abilities to use fire arms. Legendary stuff.
Now here we have one cop who shot himself on leg and a single dead black guy who was shot in the back. All the shooting was done by cops. Not a single shot was at them. What that does tell you? There was no fire fight, no shooting back and forth, but there was an execution. The only question is Why? Why these two cops decided to shoot that black guy just like that?
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Brothawolf, that was some very compelling testimony you brought in from that police officer
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@ sam Perhaps in practise but…
I agreed with that graph – except for the cheap shot at America.
As for the shootings in general…
I agree with that graph too – except for the part about being scared. A lot of cops are adrenalin junkies.
If you think that those movie shoot outs happen in reality…
I sure am glad you told me what “real shoot outs” are like.
Now here we have one cop who shot himself on leg and a single dead black guy who was shot in the back. All the shooting was done by cops. Not a single shot was at them. What that does tell you? There was no fire fight, no shooting back and forth, but there was an execution. The only question is Why? Why these two cops decided to shoot that black guy just like that?
The coroner’s report says Blueford was shot in the front not the back. There’s not enough information to reach a conclusion. But since you asked what “it tells me” I’ll offer what I believe is the mostly likely scenario based on the limited information available.
Its midnight and the officers notice three young men acting suspiciously. One appears to be concealing a handgun. So they draw their guns and approach the suspects. The suspects run and the officers pursue. Blueford stops running and turns around. The officer assumes Blueford has the gun, thinks he’s turning to shoot and shoots first. But Blueford doesn’t have the gun because he ditched it while he was running. Or perhaps Blueford’s friend had the gun and he’s the one who ditched it while they were running. Or perhaps none of them had a gun and one of the cops dropped it to cover up a mistake. There’s only one thing we know for sure — that gun got there somehow. That’s why I want to know whose fingerprints are on it.
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@ Duck
If the police acted as innocently as you think, then why the lies?
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@ Abagond
I can’t answer that without seeing the actual statements from the police department. I just went through the first 5 pages of google results for oakland police blueford stomach and I couldn’t find a single mainstream article in which the police say the officer was shot in the stomach. I couldn’t find anything indicating how far away the gun was, either. In fact, the only articles I found in which those were said were radicals who claimed Blueford was “murdered”, “executed”, etc. You’ll understand if I don’t accept those as unbiased sources. I’m not saying you’re mistaken about what the police said. It’s just that you’re asking me to speculate on why someone allegedly said something when I can’t even find a first hand account of them actually having said it.
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@ Bulanik
I truncated sam’s comments to indicate which graphs I was referring to without having to repeat his entire comment. I wasn’t truncating them to misrepresent what he said. But you were. You criticized me for criticizing his comment while omitting most of what I was criticizing. That’s dirty pool.
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duck,
You said, “There have been several studies testing reaction time. And those studies show that someone is usually able to draw a gun and shoot before another person can respond. Therefore, police aren’t going to give someone a chance to drop the gun. Because if the person decides to shoot instead then the officer is going to get shot.”
First thing’s first, we know that cops are human, and as such will make mistakes. There’s no argument there. We all know that not all of them are crooked, and we know they have stressful jobs.
However, it still doesn’t negate the fact that just like all other institutions in this land, it is still plagued with racism can be deadly not just to themselves and suspects, but to civilians. The links I posted where several known examples how policing can go horribly wrong, and those links don’t include brutality.
Just like there are studies that test reaction time to prove your point, there are also stories that show that police have shot at black men because they thought they were holding a gun, when it turned out to be anything but, like a wallet or cellphone. Several unarmed black men have been shot every year because they APPEARED to have a gun. How often have you’ve heard of unarmed non-black men shot because they appeared armed, but weren’t?
Suspicion of being armed and having objects mistaken as guns is part of the story. The fact that Blueford was a black man helps cinches the continuing saga that men like myself are forced to deal with. We are this nation’s poster children of gangsters and thugs who carry guns, deal drugs, start violence, rape women, and rob people. Is it because we are? No. Only a small section of the black male population fit those images, not the majority and certainly not me. But that is the justification behind racial profiling, mass incarceration, and ‘shoot to kill’ orders or responses.
The statement from the former police chief Norm Stamper that’s posted in an earlier comment says it all. It came from someone who’s been there. So, why should it be discounted as a ‘red herring’? Furthermore, why try to defend the police? Everyone should be held accountable for taking a life, and police should never be an exception just because they supposedly upheld the law?
Who’s law?
The bottom line is that suspect or not, black men are at risk of being brutally assaulted and murdered by cops. Every year…No, every month, there’s a news story about a black man harassed, assaulted or killed by police. Yes. Some of them were suspects of crime, but others were not. But no matter what it is, one thing is clear, they struck fear into the hearts of police because they were black men.
I’ve yet to hear white men treated the same way at the same frequency as black men. Is it because they are less violent? No. So, in the end there is no if’s, and’s or but’s about it. Race was a factor in blueford’s murder.
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@ Brothawolf
Nice speech. But it has nothing to do with Blueford. As I told sam earlier, it wouldn’t make any difference whether Blueford was a mass murdering rapist who had just robbed a liquor store. And I’ll tell you now, it wouldn’t make any difference if these two cops were card carrying members of the kkk. The only thing that matters are those facts relevant to the shooting.
As I’ve done more reseach, I’ve discovered that the preferred narrative is false. Team Blueford is claiming that he was unarmed and shot in the back while running away. Whereas the police have reported three independent witnesses who saw Blueford point a gun at the officers. Moreover, the coroner’s report says Blueford was shot in the front. Therefore, he couldn’t have been shot in the back as he was running away. In other words, you guys are going to have to find another Great Black Victim.. Because it doesn’t look like Blueford is it.
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@duckduckgoofs:
What cheap shot at America? I was talkin about those cops who seem to get involved in these kind of situations more often than not. And if you read what I wrote, you would’ve noticed that I said: most of the the police officers go trough their whole careers without ever using their guns. That means most of the cops are not trigger happy or, like you say; adrenaline junkies. Most of them do their jobs. BUT some do things which really are questionable.
Lets go trough your answer:
“three young men acting suspiciously”
Meaning what? Being outside at that time? I thoughed it was the land of the free which means you can stay up and out when ever you feel like it, where ever you feel like, dressed the way you feel like dressing up.
“One appears to be concealing a handgun”
Right. These super cops saw at mid night, in the darkness, that one of those black guys was appearing to be concealing a handgun. I thoughed that concealed hand gun is concealed, hidden from the view. But perhaps these cops had an x ray vision.
“So they draw their guns and approach the suspects.”
Suspects of what? Concealing a hand gun? So they drew their guns because they thoughed these guys might be armed but did not actually see any guns on them at that time, because, it appeared to be concealed, that is hidden from sight.
“The suspects run and the officers pursue”
Once again: suspects of what? Hiding a gun? Or just being out at night? Or being black guys out at night? Perhaps these guys thoughed that those cops with their guns drawn will shoot them, which they of course did. I have run away from the cops when I was a kid because back then our cops used to beat up kids who stayed out too late. Or let their dogs take a bite from us. So we had a reason to run. Just like these guys. After all, one of them was shot dead.
“Blueford stops running and turns around.”
Perhaps he got winded? Maybe he thoughed that since he had done nothing wrong, he does not have to run? Perhaps he just took his chances with the cops? We will never know, since he is dead.
“The officer assumes Blueford has the gun, thinks he’s turning to shoot and shoots first”
Key word is Assumes. He was just thinking that this black guy has a gun. So he shot him. Killed him actually. But, as we know now, he did not have a gun on him at the time of the shooting nor was he turning around to shoot anybody. So the cop made a big mistake. He shot an un armed man dead. And perhaps it was a mistake. But it was deadly.
“But Blueford doesn’t have the gun because he ditched it while he was running. Or perhaps Blueford’s friend had the gun and he’s the one who ditched it while they were running. Or perhaps none of them had a gun and one of the cops dropped it to cover up a mistake.”
That is right. We have no knowledge about that friggin gun. It just appeared there. I also would like to see whose fingerprints are on that gun. BUT even if they are Bluefords, that does not change the fact: cop shot un armed man dead. Period.
Even during the war, if your enemy throws down his weapon, what are you supposed to do? I know, in reality it is more difficult and shit happens, but what is the principle? After a hard, life threatning battle, after hours of fire fight, with your buddies dead around you, perhaps even you slightly injured, and you enemy throws down his weapons, what you are supposed to do?
That is right. You take them as prisoners of war. You detain them. I know that US soldiers have done this litterally thousands of times. They do not usually mow down un armed enemies (sometimes they do, but not usually) who stop running and fighting. They take them as prisoners of war. Period.
Even after they have been shot at by those same guys for hours and even days. Even after their friends have been killed by those same guys. You understand? And if young american soldiers usually can do that in a bit more stressful situations than in some peaceful city street back home, I wonder why some cops can not do it on that same peaceful city street? Why they think that it is Ok to shoot a man dead who has stopped running and is “turning”?
Perhaps they are adrenaline junkies, but I think the more likely scenario is that these guys are scared, so scared that they shoot first, no matter what. Those 18,19 year old kids in Irak or Afganistan had more nerve than these cops. They took thousands of prisoner of war. Thousands. In a hostile enviroment. In enemy land. Surrounded by enemies 24/7. Land mines, snipers, fire fights, grenades, rockets, and yet those kids did not kill every one at sight. They did not kill those who gave up.
They did not even kill all of those talebans and Al Qaida fighters about whom your government said the Geneva conventions do not protect since “They are not enemy soldiers but enemy combatants” (mr Rumsfeld). Those american soldiers did what every soldier does when his enemy quits. They took them as prisoners. Even the ones who were branded as terrorists and thus were excluded from the rules of war!! That is how you behave when you have the balls and nerve. That is how you behave when you do things right. YOU DO NOT SHOOT UN ARMED MEN DEAD. Period.
You understand what I am saying?
@bulanik:
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Duck,
You said, “Nice speech. But it has nothing to do with Blueford. As I told sam earlier, it wouldn’t make any difference whether Blueford was a mass murdering rapist who had just robbed a liquor store. And I’ll tell you now, it wouldn’t make any difference if these two cops were card carrying members of the kkk. The only thing that matters are those facts relevant to the shooting.”
Would it have made a difference if he was a pastor with a spotless record that has done community service for the city? Again, no one is saying he was a saint, but I’m using the “what if” scenario because it seems like you’re trying to make it seem that those who commit crimes, which in your narrative are always connected to violence, don’t deserve grief no matter what, even if they did it in the past. I’m just saying.
Moving on, you said, “As I’ve done more reseach, I’ve discovered that the preferred narrative is false. Team Blueford is claiming that he was unarmed and shot in the back while running away. Whereas the police have reported three independent witnesses who saw Blueford point a gun at the officers. Moreover, the coroner’s report says Blueford was shot in the front. Therefore, he couldn’t have been shot in the back as he was running away. In other words, you guys are going to have to find another Great Black Victim.. Because it doesn’t look like Blueford is it.”
I’m curious to know what kind of sources you used to obtain the information. Even if there were three witnesses, how could anyone know other than the police that the witnesses weren’t produced? From the information from this post, their word seems too flaky to take seriously.
If the source you got said that the coroner’s report stated that Blueford was shot in the front, why would the family say that he was shot in the back?
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@brothawolf Would it have made a difference if he was a pastor with a spotless record that has done community service for the city?
Not to me.
I’m curious to know what kind of sources you used to obtain the information. Even if there were three witnesses, how could anyone know other than the police that the witnesses weren’t produced?
My source regarding the witnesses and coroner’s report is the San Francisco Chronicle.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/16/BAH71OJ5CS.DTL
From the information from this post, their word seems too flaky to take seriously.
Abagond’s post doesn’t cite any sources and I haven’t found any mainstream sources to support the claims.
If the source you got said that the coroner’s report stated that Blueford was shot in the front, why would the family say that he was shot in the back?
Because they’re angry over the death of their son and looking for someone to blame.
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Brothawolf:- If the source you got said that the coroner’s report stated that Blueford was shot in the front, why would the family say that he was shot in the back?
duckduckgoofs:- Because they’re angry over the death of their son and looking for someone to blame.
Aha – the old ‘Blame Game’ rears its head again because of course, this young man is responsible totally for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. To think otherwise is ENT and interferes with the creation of official ‘facts’ that suddenly become available after the event
*SMH*
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More trumped up fake white oppression from this site. A guy was running from the cops with a gun – a gun. Any white guy who runs from police while holding a gun and gets shot is one more criminal off the streets – but I’m white, I don’t cry for criminals. Some of you may need a quick lesson in civility – if you are carrying a gun (legally or not) and you get into an encounter with cops – tell them you have a gun immediately, and be very polite about it. What you don’t do is run with it – holding a gun while resisting or running from police makes you a legal target.
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Demerera,
Exactly what I saw thinking.
Duck,
So, are you saying that if Blueford’s parents were to blame their son for getting himself killed, that’s more appropriate if not logical while thinking that the police were only doing their job and should not be held accountable?
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@demerera
Though not illegal, most would consider hanging out on the street corner after midnight to be the wrong place at the wrong time. But that wouldn’t make him responsible for the shooting. Neither would having a gun nor running from the police make him responsible for the shooting. What would make him responsible for the shooting is if he pointed that gun at the officers the way three eyewitnesses claimed in their sworn statements.
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@brothawolf
Regardless of fault, do you think the parents aren’t angry and blaming the officer for the death of their son ? For that matter, aren’t you angry and blaming the officer as well?
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@ Brahms,
“More trumped up fake white oppression from this site. A guy was running from the cops with a gun – a gun. Any white guy who runs from police while holding a gun and gets shot is one more criminal off the streets – but I’m white, I don’t cry for criminals. Some of you may need a quick lesson in civility – if you are carrying a gun (legally or not) and you get into an encounter with cops – tell them you have a gun immediately, and be very polite about it. What you don’t do is run with it – holding a gun while resisting or running from police makes you a legal target.”
You really need to learn to read. White oppression isn’t “fake”, and fortuniately your not the judge of whether or not to validate racism. Firstly, no they don’t. In many cases, white men who have SHOT at cops are taken in without being shot, and it’s an established fact that cops are harsher towards black people in general. Secondly, no one here is “crying for criminals”, keep your bs strawmen out of the argument if you can’t handle READING what you are complaining about, okay? No one here needs you to “whites-plain” to us how to survive a cop encounter, like we’re children who need you’re “white logic” to scold us on how to behave. Thirdly, we already know that doesn’t work out well when you’re a black man, more often than not. And hilariously enough, what you’ve just said has nothing to do with civility.
@ Duck,
Well what’s wrong with being angry and blaming the person who decided to shoot their son when he was running, not shooting at them or posing a real threat? Isn’t that a normal reaction for parents who lose their child?
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@ Sam You understand what I am saying?
Yes, I understand what you’re saying. But your comment is irrelevant because I’ve provided a source that shows your assumptions were wrong. I realize you didn’t know that when you wrote it because I hadn’t posted the link yet. As for soldiers holding guns — they get shot, too.
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@ Ace Well what’s wrong with being angry and blaming the person who decided to shoot their son when he was running, not shooting at them or posing a real threat? Isn’t that a normal reaction for parents who lose their child?
Yes, I think its normal to be angry and blame the officer who shot their son. That’s why I gave brothawolf the answer I did. It was demerera who made the silly comment about “ENT”. However, you’re ignoring eyewitnesses and physical evidence that shows Blueford was armed and facing the officers when he was shot. Or did you just accidentally overlook the link?
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@ Duck,
No I’m not, I find it depressing that there is a “shoot first” attitude when it comes to black people, something that actual police officers have verified. That’s the issue that I have. Demererra had a point, many people often try to dismiss conversations about police violence by claiming the victims of this are somehow thinking in a way they wouldn’t if they weren’t’ upset, i.e. you, by being white and unaffected, are somehow able to view the situation through a logical lens that they (and therefore anyone who shares their skin color) cannot. That’s how ENT applies. I feel that they are justified in their anger, there’s no way anyone can argue against that, and yet people try to act like that’s something irrational for them to feel.
I read the article and it gave me more questions than answers, sadly. How is someone going to spot someone two blocks away, shoot him two or three times and then claim he had a “gun”? If he did have a gun, that doesn’t invalidate the fact that he (unlike violent felons) wasn’t violent and he was working on completing school and getting his life started. If he didn’t have a gun out, aimed and ready to shoot, shooting him like that was a rash and far too common reaction.
I could see doing the usual thing and taking him down (cops aren’t just armed with guns you know, they have the training to take people down non-lethally), arresting him, what not. I don’t have an issue with arresting people who are actually committing wrong doing. That’s fine. I take issue with him being shot like that, but I take even more issue with how the family was treated after his death. They should not have had to wait like that or have this information kept from them, it would be something they would have the right to be angry with.
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@duckduckgoofs:
“As for soldiers holding guns — they get shot, too.” Yes they do, by thousands, and still they do not usually shoot those enemies who surrender and drop their weapons.
My problem is this: Blueford did not shoot. It was dark night. No one knows weather he had the gun or not on him, whose gun it is etc. BUT even if it was his gun, he did not have it on him when he got shot.
You have eye witnesses who now claim that Blueford had a gun and was pointing it towards the cops. Who are these three? Where is that gun, if there are no fingerprints on the one found on the scene? And if that was his gun, why it was found away from him if he was going to shoot the cops, like you claim? Guns and people do not fly around when shot, they just collapse.
And most of all: how the hell the cops saw a concealed hand gun at night???
Three shots, all shot by cops, one dead black guy, one cop shooting himself on a leg. One bullet killed the kid, another hit a leg of cop and one went where ever it went. Does that sound like a shoot out with a dangerous gangbanger/thug (a term which you propably will come up sooner or later)? No. It sounds like two cops, scared shitless for some reason, spotted bunch of young black guys, stopped, and those guys got scared (for a good reason since one of them ended up dead) and ran and the cops shot at them.
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Duck
I asked you, “So, are you saying that if Blueford’s parents were to blame their son for getting himself killed, that’s more appropriate if not logical while thinking that the police were only doing their job and should not be held accountable?”
And you replied, “Regardless of fault, do you think the parents aren’t angry and blaming the officer for the death of their son ? For that matter, aren’t you angry and blaming the officer as well?”
How about we do this: I’ll answer your question when you answer mine.
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Ace,
Thank you! That’s what I was trying to tell duck for the longest, but what a surprise. He still doesn’t get it.
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@ ace No I’m not, I find it depressing that there is a “shoot first” attitude when it comes to black people, something that actual police officers have verified.
There’s pretty much a “shoot first” policy against any suspect armed with a gun regardless of color. I’ve already explained why in the comment discussing reaction times.
many people often try to dismiss conversations about police violence by claiming the victims of this are somehow thinking in a way they wouldn’t if they weren’t’ upset, (..) I feel that they are justified in their anger, there’s no way anyone can argue against that, and yet people try to act like that’s something irrational for them to feel.
But most grieving people AREN’T thinking the way they would if they weren’t upset. Emotions aren’t rational and they do cause people to think irrationally. I’m not saying that it’s abnormal. That’s just the way it is.
If he didn’t have a gun out, aimed and ready to shoot, shooting him like that was a rash and far too common reaction.
Three witnesses say he did.
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@ brothawolf I asked you, “So, are you saying that if Blueford’s parents were to blame their son for getting himself killed, that’s more appropriate if not logical while thinking that the police were only doing their job and should not be held accountable?”
I don’t think it would be normal for the Blueford’s to “blame their son for getting himself killed”. But from a purely logical standpoint its not unreasonable for an officer to shoot a suspect armed with a gun. If I were faced with that situation I would be stretched to my emotional limit. But I don’t think I’d be in denial about what happened. I don’t think his parents could accept it even if there were video of him pointing the gun at the officer.
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@duckduckgoofs
It was demerera who made the silly comment about “ENT”.
Taken in the context of the original remark I was responding to, the comment above is not ‘silly’ at all. You talked about the anger of the parents and them wanting ‘someone’ to ‘blame’ i.e. anyone as long as ‘someone’ is held accountable. This thought process suggests, rather than ‘rational’ thinking, emotive thinking hence the term ENT.
Of course, it is quite possible that the family just want justice…ever thought of that…..
Though not illegal, most would consider hanging out on the street corner after midnight to be the wrong place at the wrong time.
Why? If its a bad neighborhood then I guess you take your chances however, there were many times in my ‘yoof’ that after a night out partying and frolicking some of my friends and I would stand and discuss the night or make plans for another outing much to the annoyance of the neighbours.
I could understand if someone called the police if they were causing a disturbance to ‘move them on…’
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duck,
I asked, ““So, are you saying that if Blueford’s parents were to blame their son for getting himself killed, that’s more appropriate if not logical while thinking that the police were only doing their job and should not be held accountable?”
You replied, “I don’t think it would be normal for the Blueford’s to “blame their son for getting himself killed”. But from a purely logical standpoint its not unreasonable for an officer to shoot a suspect armed with a gun.”
But before all that, you said “They (Blueford’s parents) are angry over the death of their son and looking for someone to blame.”
But was Blueford armed? According to your source, there were witnesses and a coroner’s report. What good reason do the readers have of taking it objectively? For all we know, the witnesses could’ve been produced, and the coroner’s report could’ve been false.
This could be an attempt to justify the murder of a black man. We’ve seen it done before. How do we know this is any different? Because the newspaper said so? Yeah, right.
In any case if Blueford wasn’t armed, then there should be no reason to shoot him. There is no logical or reasonable reason to shoot an unarmed human being. And since this case is looking more and more fishy, I’m thinking that Blueford wasn’t armed which will lead me to your questions:
“Regardless of fault, do you think the parents aren’t angry and blaming the officer for the death of their son ? For that matter, aren’t you angry and blaming the officer as well?”
I know the parents are angry, upset, and miserable over the death of their son. Why shouldn’t they be? I’m not a parent myself, but I know that losing a child due to murder is a horrific feeling. Why? Because the cause was another human being. It’s not like losing them to natural disasters or accidents.
And yes. I am angry, and I do blame the officer as well. I know reading this will make you feel satisfied deep inside, but I have every right to be angry because this has happened before many times to other black men, especially the unarmed ones.
Yet, some people, mostly white, have the nerve to tell us that we shouldn’t feel angry. We should be glad that there’s one less “thug” in the streets to worry about. This is the same argument put forth by certain people about the Trayvon Martin case.
White people have no right to tell PoC when to get angry or what to think. If the parents of Alan Blueford are angry at the officer for murdering their son, THEY SHOULD BE! If I’m angry at the police for yet another murder of a black man, I SHOULD BE! Just because you don’t feel the same way doesn’t give you the power to tell us how to feel.
But that’s why you’re here, isn’t it?
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Very well put, Brothawolf
Duckgoofs, what Im missing from you is some kind of look at the bigger picture. There is something ominous about all reports that we see on this blog of various black men or women , getting killed , by police or neighborhood watch people who are armed and self appointed. And in some of these cases the victoms are innocent or unarmed . It should be disturbing to anyone interested in humanity and some kind of justice out here. And, it smells of racism, the kind of strain that is prominent in our society in this day and age. An insidious not blatentenly out in the open , but, implied underneath in a viscious way, draped in semantics and rationalisations…
Where do you stand on this , Duck? I wonder if your mix has any black blood in it ? just curious…
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rally for alan blueford at the da’s office, wednesday at 3pm.
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To serve and protect?…Is it still available nowadays?
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@ Everyone
Let us not forget Alan Blueford!
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Watch the video to the end…Oscar Grants Uncle gives his thoughts.
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[…] illegal activities, but because of racism embedded in the criminal justice system. I’m sorry that young Black men can be murdered by cops and barely make the news. I’m sorry that we actually believe […]
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The county decided not to bring charges against the policer officer who killed Alan Blueford. Senior District Attorney Keneth Mifsud wrote:
The police’s internal investigation is still going on. So is the federal civil rights lawsuit brought by Blueford’s family against the Oakland police.
More:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/alan-blueford-killing-off_n_1955211.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
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Sadly, I’m not surprised.
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