Ramarley Graham (1993?-2012) was an 18-year-old man in New York who was shot dead by police who broke into his home without a search warrant. He was the third person in a week shot dead by the NYPD.
There are different accounts of what took place. The police’s story is already falling apart. Here is the best sense I can make of it ten days after the murder:
On Thursday afternoon, February 2nd 2012, Graham and two friends come out of a corner shop at White Plains Road and East 228th Street in the Bronx. The police are watching the shop because they know that marijuana is being sold there. But instead of going after the owner, they follow Graham and his friends.
They think Graham has a gun: because of how he adjusted his waistband and the “way he carried himself”. Later one of them “sees” part of a gun sticking out of his waistband.
Graham walks up to his house and goes in. Seconds later four policemen run up with guns drawn. They try to kick down the door. One of them gets in through a back way and lets the others in.
Graham's house at 749 E. 229th Street
They run up to the second floor where Graham lived and break open the door. They pull a gun on his grandmother. Graham runs into the bathroom. They follow. Bang! His six-year-old brother starts screaming: “They killed my brother!”
They search the place: no gun at all. Just a small bag of marijuana, probably not even enough to get arrested for.
They took his grandmother to the police station for questioning. They held her for seven hours, not letting her take her heart medicine. They forced a statement out of her.
While you are reading this post about two black or Latino men in New York City are being stopped by the police and searched for weapons and drugs. It is called “stop-and-frisk”.
About 85% of all people stopped and frisked are black or Latino –
- even though only 52% of the city is black and Latino,
- even though whites are just as likely to have drugs,
- even though whites are more likely to carry weapons.
And sometimes it goes beyond stopping and frisking. Sometimes beatings are included. Or sodomy. Or being thrown in jail for a day or two even when they find nothing on you.
And in Graham’s case, it led to murder.
Officer Richard Haste approaches Graham's house
The killer cop is Officer Richard Haste, a 30-year-old white man. The police have taken away his gun and badge and put him on desk duty while they “review” the matter.
Graham's neighbours protest the killing
The Bronx district attorney’s office is looking into it, which could lead to a trial. Hundreds of Graham’s neighbours have protested the killing. Featured chant: “NYPD – KKK”. Al Sharpton says he is not going to let this one rest.
Graham's parents. (Credit: Robert Stolarik for The New York Times)
See also:
- The police
- Sean Bell – another unarmed black man killed by the NYPD
- Adrian Schoolcraft – the inner workings of the NYPD
- Romona Moore: a Missing Black Woman – another example of how little the lives of black people matter to the NYPD
- mass incarceration of black men – in case you did not know
Abagond 
Watching the video right now leaves no doubt in my mind that those cops murdered that poor kid. My sympathies goes out to his family. What a horrible thing to have happened.
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I don’t understand why this Officer Richard Haste (the irony of his last name) is still around even though he has a desk job. He should be fired and prosecuted.
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This better be an open and shut case. The police involved are G-U-I-L-T-Y!
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The killers of Sean Bell still have their jobs.
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And yet, people don’t understand why we don’t trust the police. Watch. People will make all kinds of excuses to support the NYPD’s latest hunt.
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There’s another story out there that I think you should check out, and this involves a black policeman getting shot by 4 white policemen, but is found guilty of attempted murder!
http://www.blackyouthproject.com/2012/02/black-policeman-shot-28-times-by-4-chicago-cops-found-guilty-of-attempted-murder/
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@brothawolf:
I’ve been reading several articles on the Ramarley Graham murder and a typical comment was, well, he was running away from the cops so he probably wasn’t innocent. Wth? And another comment regarding the forced entry, some people (white, of course) said the cops had no choice but to break into the house because they had to catch Ramarley Graham before he dumped the alleged drugs down the toilet. Un-fricken-believable.
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@brothawolf:
Thank you for the link. My goodness. This case doesn’t even make any sense. It’s appalling there is so much injustice going around. It’s sickening.
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I’ve been following this story and it makes me so angry. Like seething angry. Uniformed modern day overseers. They are held accountable to no one but themselves. It’s funny because people of color having been saying all along that police terrorize like no other. Now that it is happening to “them”, it is suddenly time to take up arms. Police brutality is not some entity that manifested overnight. It is a funky golem a long time in the making and the calling. Ask any person of color. You might learn a thing or two.
My heart breaks when I look at his mother. A mothers grief always saddens me deeply. May Yah be with his family and give them strength.
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Leigh,
It’s beyond maddening. I still don’t have any words to express my anger over this.
Darqbeauty,
“It’s funny because people of color having been saying all along that police terrorize like no other. Now that it is happening to “them”, it is suddenly time to take up arms.:
Unfortunately, in a white racist society, the lives of POC don’t measure up to the lives of white people. This is why this problem of police brutality and murder isn’t much of an issue if white people aren’t victims. This is why our cries for help have gone unnoticed because overall, POC don’t matter.
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I am getting out of America. I am going to let the folks that want it, have it.
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@ brothawolf,
This also illustrates how racism affect and hurts, detrimentally, not only people of color, but whites as well. It is a problem that has gone on unchecked and now that it has spilled over into their yards, threatens to spiral out of control. The number of convictions against police involved in murder (because that’s what it is, let us not mince words) is so abominably low, that it can only bespeak of a concerted effort to keep one another out of jail. We know it as the Blue Code of Silence. And jail is, understandably, the last place they an officer wants to end up. Not with all those angry Black and Brown men.
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When I heard this story, I was stunned.
How many of us must die at the hands of these monsters before something is done!
Are we so expendable?
Do we mean NOTHING???
White racism is the downfall of the white race.
White racism is the downfall of America.
White racism will mean the end of us all.
Remember you read it here first, folks…
I feel for his poor mother. Imagine her pain. I feel, literally, sick watching this.
Ray Kelly better get it together or this will be London all over again.
Sadly, folks, the genocide of black males has been an ongoing theme here in the US. If it’s not genocide, then it’s the new Jim Crow; incarceration!
What did this fellow do to be hunted and shot down like an animal, in front of his family, in his own home?
The day of reckoning is upon us.
God help us all…
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@ darq
My friend’s brother is a cop with the Newark, NJ police department.
A police officer, especially a white one, who goes to jail…
( use your imagination)
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I’m so riled up…I need to sleep this off and continue tomorrow.
Night folks.
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Disgusting. Though what’s even worse is that we all know the murderer may well get away with it…
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What do people expect? NY is a city run for liberals by liberals and as long as the police are part of the political process–what else can happen. It will be political back room deal because no one can own up to the truth. The police do a necessary but often a very ugly job and until people can stand up and say a beat downs happen you’ll really have a mountain to climb when police abuse their power.
This is at first blush appears to be a case of murder. If I was Al Sharpon, I would ask for a special prosecutor from outside NY.
To name a name: Vincent Bugilosi
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Thank you for the online petition, Peanut. I signed it. This incident never should’ve happened and yet it happens over and over again. Justice for Ramarley!
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I have a friend who is a police officer. No matter how obvious any news like this seems, he always sticks up for the cop and offers a plethora of excuses for really bad behavior. He likes to talk down to “civvies” like myself as if we can’t possible judge any situation which involves the police. Sad really.
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This is a guess, but the fact that they had no warrant, no respect for regulations what so ever, he had no gun, and just came from the drug spot. There is no way they came after him for a dime bag. Maybe unjustly arrest him for one, but not kill him. This leads me to Most likely dirty cops involved in that particular drug org and somehow viewed this kid as a threat. Just a guess though. either way dirty cops.
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Peanut, I can see how that would be difficult. Try google.com.
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Were they racist and dirty….f yeah…But some of it is no respect for poor people as well. they knew his only power was to snitch on them and they took him out, they basically are the biggest gang in new york and they act like it.
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The Feds need to take over the NYPD.
Thanks for the info, Abagond.
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Another brother gunned down in cold blood, and no justice is going to prevaile.’
guys when incidents like these happen i have noticed that on Abagond all we do is send some condolence, feel sorry for the family and supporting the victims.
but i think guys that we need to do something, we tried to demonstrate but it never changes, we also thought since Obama is the president things are gonna change slightly but it doesn’t seem like that.
we need to share idea’s and come up with a strong action that will make the government see our plight.
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@badwolf: Liberals? What the… I bet these guys are not liberals nor are their leaders.
What amazes me again and again is that this goes on and on and on. Year after year, decade after decade. The really big question in my mind is this: what the heck is wrong in the whole policing culture in USA? What is wrong when the police sees citizen as an enemy? Why the poor are the enemy? What is going on in the police academies around the country?
Ok, lets assume this guy bought a dime bag or what ever. I don’t care if he bought a whole bale of grass. Like dave said, no search warrant. And then, shooting him? If you are so scared that you go shooting people just like that, if you can not take the pressures of the job or have mental problems, you should not be a police. Because that is what the job is all about: keeping level head when the situation, what ever that might be, gets tricky. But this?
All around the country SWAT teams are attacking homes, wrecking homes, confiscating stuff not even mentioned in warrants, arrests, abuse of powers, violence, extortion, prosecutors trying to “win” cases instead of making sure that the laws are upheld, all kinds of really weird stuff goes on all over USA. What is going on?
And keeping mother for seven hours? What is that? I tell you what it is: it is the same what was going on in good ole USSR. It is the same kind of behaviour we saw in Third Reich. Security apparatus running amok. The attitude that they are The Law, they define the law, the apply the law, they do what ever they want because they ARE the law. Which they are not in any sense, they should be working for the people according the law.
Until there is a real overhaul in the educating and training of the police, this will continue. Unless there is total reverse from militarising the police towards civilizining the police, this will go on. Security forces of all kinds have internal logic in their existence. They try and take all the space allowed to them. That is a fact all around the world. Unless civli authorities take a real hard look at this, nothing will change.
People forget the revelations of Serpico case. It was not just about few cops in Bronx taking bribes and abusing their power. It was the revelation of corruption as a way of life in NYPD. Later, the SIU scandal showed that it was all over the force, in all units and services. Why? Because the leaders of the force tolerated that. They allowed it silently. They upheld the Blue Wall. The two mafia cops? Two decorated detectives working actually as mob hit men? That should have send shivers down to spines of the police leaders and civil authorities.
This case and the others show that nothing has changed fundamentally in 40 years. Corruption of individuals, corruption of powers is still alive. And unless the leaders denounce this, they send the message to all cops that this is ok with them. Unless the prosecutors act on this, they send the same message. And if they bring up the Blue Wall, they tell rest of the population that they think themselves as the separate group, a privlidged group, not the same as the people they are supposed to protect and serve. They draw the line, a border between themselves and the rest. They say: “we are not you, with you, for you. We are are here for us.”
It is a hard job, it is a difficult job, it is a necessary job, but it is there to protect the people and uphold the law. It is the job of the cops to make sure that all men, even criminals, are treated according to the law and that no one is above the law. Not one. Not even a cop.
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I pray Justice will be served. My condolences go out to the family.
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I really feel for the families loss, but on the other hand – the police are just doing their job.
Have you ever wondered what they go through when they are approaching an accussed individual, they get shot at, sometimes even murdered.
I am not saying that they have the right to shoot at innocent victims but i am simply saying that we should not look at the situation from one angle – there are also issues that no one ever speaks of when cops are shot down in cold blood,
and if it’s like that then it’s tough luck to the cop who mind you also have loved ones and family members who cares about him.
Read this link – http://www.theblaze.com/stories/nypd-hero-cop-killed-by-recently-released-violent-felon-with-a-warrant/
I think we shouldn’t let our emotions speak for us. the truth of the matter is the police men when they walk back into their homes after work they send a prayer to the lord because any day can be their last.
i am not glad with what the policemen did but they are also human and sometimes humans makes mistakes.
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No, “Justice”, they are not “just doing their job”. Their job is NOT to kill innocent men in front of their grandmothers and six-year-old brothers. This isn’t just a “mistake” – this is racism. They had no concrete evidence that he was armed.
He was inside his own house. He was not a threat to them. They didn’t need to shoot him.
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There is no justice here.
We need to take a long, sober look at Ramarley Graham – the innocent for whom we mourn.
We need to take a long, sober look at the “war on drugs” – the discriminatory institution for which we remain vigilant against.
We need to take a long, sober look in the eyes of Richard Haste – the institutional figure who must be persecuted.
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Also, can you imagine if the situation were even the least big ambiguous? If there weren’t video footage? If they had found a gun hidden in some drawer somewhere? If he had a quantity of marijuana or another “illegal” substance.
How they would have defended the shooting as an act of self-defense like this goober above has just done (the poster by the name of “Justice,” ironically).
SMH.
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@ Justice / Enough / Mutenhesanwa / Mandingu / African
You are banned for using sock puppets.
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I remember the case of Amadou Diallo, an UNARMED young Black man with NO POLICE RECORD. He was gunned down by the NYPD in his own apartment building. The guy was just trying to open his front door. Forty-one shots later, the police said they THOUGHT this 22 year old street vendor had a gun. My guess is he was probably reaching in his pocket for his keys.
I read about other NYPD cases where Black and Latino men were sodomized with police batons. Abner Louima, a Haitian immigrant, was picked up by the cops, beaten on the say to the precinct, put in a cell and beaten again before being sodomized with a plunger in the precinct bathroom. Mr. Louima had to have reconstructive surgery. How can you do stuff like that to people and call yourself a human being?
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Right, breaking down a door without a warrant is not a “mistake”. Nor is sodomy one of those split-second decisions they might get wrong.
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@ nom de plume
Most whites in America still believe that blacks are not fully human so it’s a good excuse for bad treatment.
As for the police…well…black men have had a long standing tumultuous relationship with the police since the days of slavery.
What we are seeing in modern day America is the continuation of that on a much more political scale.
No one is going to admit that race directly plays a role here.
It’s going to be swept under the rug.
This could be the precursor for a riot against the police.
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I’ve been thinking hard about this incident and other incidents with the police and black males.
How soon before it spills over to black women?
How soon before the police start shooting black children?
How soon before ANY person of colour is shot down like an animal by these racist monsters?
How long will America make excuses and turn the blind eye?
This is the reason why we can’t move forward as a nation.
We are such liars!!!
Preaching to protect and serve, yeah right!
I’m so sick of this right now.
For every person of colour that has a coloured male in the family, young or old, the constant fear that one day they will leave the house and never return is a reality that whites will never understand.
For every person of colour that has a coloured female in the family, young or old, the constant fear that she will be raped by an authority figure is a reality that whites will never understand.
I want white America to know that YOU created this system of fear, hatred, contempt, violence and tension in this country.
I want white America to know that YOU are DIRECTLY responsible for mothers that weep for lost sons, fathers that no longer smile for the loss innocence of their daughters, siblings that live in fear for their brothers and sisters and a community in disarray.
Look deep into your souls filled with hatred and darkness and feel the pain that you have caused others.
May God have mercy on your souls…
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Abagond, great post. Hopefully this story and others like it will gain some traction in the media.
With the continual militarization of police departments around this country as a result of the failed war on drugs, I am saddened but not surprised that this has happened and continues to take place in New York City and other major metropolitan areas. Add faulty legislation like The Patriot Act and the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act), sooner or later all citizens not a part of the 1% will face scenarios like the one mentioned.
Willful ignorance and fear of the unknown by white america gives rise to demogogue politicians and sociopathic cops that ultimately have a duty to represent and protect us, but when in reality they both fail to provide any real solutions while falsely reassuring all of us that the status quo will be maintained and that our better days lie ahead.
Solutions to the above mentioned issue should be the retraining of cops, especially those coming home from the wars overseas. Also, getting rid of The Death Penalty, Legalizing Marijuana, repealing parts of The Patriot Act and the NDAA are all items that need to change.
But will these things happen? Doubtful. However, movements like OWS are a start. Establishing a day or week to protest and possibly shut America down, thereby limiting or halting business and political transactions. Then, maybe just maybe the 99% of us will be taken seriously.
Reading stories like the one mentioned and others like the tragic story of Troy Davis, I am embarrassed as an American and my hope is that we all desperately need to change our way of living. Oscar Wilde once said that “The U.S. is the only modern country that has gone from barbarism to decadence without ever being civilized.” I fear that we as a nation are so polarized currently that the only way to solve our problems and not be so racially and politically divisive would be for the economy as we know it to collapse, thereby forcing the hand of the haves to interact and cooperate with the have-nots. Just a thought.
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@ TL
” Solutions to the above mentioned issue should be the retraining of cops, especially those coming home from the wars overseas. Also, getting rid of The Death Penalty, Legalizing Marijuana, repealing parts of The Patriot Act and the NDAA are all items that need to change. ”
Like sensitivity training, retraining cops produce officers who know how to abuse the system and get away with it due to the bias of the legal system
Racial profiling is real.
Showing cops how NOT to be racist will only give them better ideas and make them more efficient killers.
Tony Bennet said we need to legalize ALL drugs, like Amsterdam.
I agree that the failed War on Drugs is partly to blame for this.
The death penalty will live on in America because it favors the killing of black men. This legal criminal act by the police will continue til a noted WHITE person gets murdered, then white America will “wake up” and start to take notice of how unfair the police departments are.
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@Truthbetold
Sad but true. What would you suggest as possible solutions? better salaries? more officers? prohibiting military veterans from serving? psych tests? jail time and reduced benefits?
I’m not sure there are any solutions to police abuse. The majority of cops that I have come into contact with all have sociopathic tendencies and turn a deaf ear to possible solutions.
Would it matter if suspects would not flee the scene thus disarming the adrenaline rush/agressive nature of the officers in question? Also, what would the dynamics be if in the african-american and hispanic communities if both of their respective groups young males (1 in 3 AA, 1 in 5 HA) were not incarcerated for non-violent crimes?
Is there any willpower, faith in changing our country’s police institutions?
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@Truthbetold:
How soon before it spills over to black women?
How soon before the police start shooting black children?
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In my part of the country, a 92 year old black woman was gunned down. She had a gun at home to protect herself like many people. She lived in a low-income neighborhood. The police somehow “thought” her home was a crack house. When she heard intruders kicking her door down one night, she grabbed her gun and started shooting. The cops opened fire, killing her. They got off the hook because they were only protecting themselves, of course. I don’t remember an apology or any compensation being issued to the woman’s family.
POC have it hard, but I think black men have it the worst when it comes to abuse and harassment by the cops.
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@TL
What would you suggest as possible solutions? better salaries? more officers? prohibiting military veterans from serving? psych tests? jail time and reduced benefits?
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There are plenty of low-salaried people who work in understaffed situations who don’t abuse and kill people. Also, I don’t think there is evidence that people with military backgrounds are more prone to violence. Something else is at play here. Perhaps having some power, a badge and a gun brings out a very dark side of some very sick/racist individuals. An officer I once knew told me all police departments (in the US) require psych testing as part of the screening process. If the applicant doesn’t pass, he/she is weeded out. It’s obvious some nut jobs manage to slip through the cracks.
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@ TL and nom de plume
“What would you suggest as possible solutions? better salaries? more officers? prohibiting military veterans from serving? psych tests? jail time and reduced benefits?”
All these questions you raised are excellent but futile.
The white police officer has one goal:
To protect white Americans from the black brute.
By killing off the black man, the white woman, white neighborhood, white school, white mindset is safe. The black man remains the biggest threat to white society. Therefore, they must be destroyed.
How is this different from 1912?
How is this different from the days of the overseer, chain gangs and Jim Crow?
America is such a F-ing joke.
Only a truly sick, depraved, twisted, psychopathological mind would continue to condone the genocide of innocent men…and go home and feel good about it!
What will they do when it turns on them?
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This is the biggest problem that I have with cases like this: somehow, despite the fact that criminals are built up as being almost superhuman, the cops never use excessive force in their capture. If you’re a stick-up kid who shoots or stabs strangers for $50 and 6 chicken wings, you’re arrested without a shot; if you’re a teenager who likes to get high, you’re dead before you can get into your house. If your friends call you KG because you handle drugs by the kilogram, you get caught without being beaten; if you’re a military veteran who came home without even being shot at, the cops will shoot *you* when they’ve been called out to arrest the person who was actually causing trouble. The guy who was groping (and later, molesting and literally dragging off) women in Park Slope was apprehended sans bloodshed; Sean Bell died because he and his friends were set upon by plainclothes cops waving guns in the dark. It’s at the point in NYC where brothers have noticed that its *safer* to have a record than to be clean (because having a record means that the cops see you as a threat, whereas having no record turns you into prey.)
If there’s any consolation to this state of affairs, its the fact that at least 1/2 of the marks on this map are of white victims (which means that the average non-minority is beginning to realise that these tactics aren’t only being used on “those dirty mud people.” The fact that it had to trickle up to “innocent” white people before anyone began tracking the events is abominable in and of itself.) And, remember, these are cases with SWAT cops overreacting on *innocent* people, this doesn’t keep track of cases in which regular cops with the SWAT mentality have overstepped their boundaries for bs reasons.
http://www.cato.org/raidmap/
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@MaMu1977
So basically cops, like our military, are bullies with guns.
The authorities justify their malicious atrocities by fabricating the image of a super evil suspect as drug-induced crazies that will murder and rape anyone at will. The same way that our government purports the image of the ultimate terrorist: a fanatical muslim who will shoot to kill or bomb any and all non-muslims when in actuality, it is a frustrated, out-of-work, possibly homeless person who wants a better life for themselves and their family left with nothing after our military has pillaged their country in the name of democracy.
And yet as most americans are told that they (the cops & the military) are getting the bad guys regardless of the issues and contexts, those people remain woefully asleep in their ignorance.
like Truthbetold stated earlier, “America is such a F-ing joke.” Sooner or later a revolt on a massive level will pass.
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A Policy of STATE TERRORISM DIRECTED AT BLACK AND LATINO’S
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/14/rev-al-sharpton-nypd-lawsuit_n_1277222.html
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I am Brazilian, and here people have accepted the extreme brutality and open fascism of the police forces, they are like the criminals.
I hope this don’t happen in the USA.
sorry for the bad english.
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@ a third worlder
It’s already begun. When the mainstream, aka white, are being affected, then and only then will people try to fix it.
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That poor family. The sacrifice officers make isn’t lost on me but this was totally barbaric and I doubt that if that kid would’ve been white with a Meth lab in his basement they would’ve been so needlessly savage.
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Is it not telling that on this very thread you find an absence of Doug and Mik? It’s kind of hard for them to put a spin on this one.
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@SomeGuy:
It’s very telling. It’s obvious they can’t make up bs lies when the video recorded what went down.
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The police used to be very violent and brutal in Finland, there were several deaths in jails annually back in the 40’s and 50’s and even in the 60’s that was not un usual. Then they changed the training programs, the whole thing, and the mind set. Instead of being state discipliniars and punishers, cops became guys who work of the public and help the citizen. They even changed their talk so that perps and suspects and criminals became customers. Yes, even today the police may say about a know criminal “This person has been our customer often”, “This individual is old customer” etc.
How ever, in recent years there has been a change towards the militarising of the police force. Where as back in the 70’s and 80’s there was just one special unit which had heavy weapons, helmets, machine guns and assault gear (and that was anti terrorist unit), today almost every police station and some of the patrols have them at hand at all times. When in the 80’s it was extremely rare that the police would be doing any sieges, today they happen more and more often in cases which have no need for such activities at all such as arresting quarrel some drunks at their homes etc. Back in the 80’s a finnish police was usually armed with a fifteen inch rubber club. That was it. Perhaps a pistol if anticipating troubles. Today, many police have a tazer, telescopic club, maze, a gun etc. on them all the time.
All this have been explained that the New criminals are more armed and dangerous than the ones in the past, but cases were any criminal would have pointed a gun against the police are extremely rare. Actually late 1920’s and early 30’s were the most dangerous times for finnish police. There have been very few cases were anyone has shot a police at all, the most recent was by a danish armed robber years and years ago. I have no knowledge of any finnish criminal shooting the police in the past 10 ot 20 years. The police has shot few criminals during that time, not killing them but still.
But heres the thing: the finnish police have been training with the FBI and ATF and some european partners since 1990’s. Now where does this idea of the police as a strike force or paramilitary organisation comes from? Why the idea of policing is again turning towards the violent and opressive tactics? Well, hmm…
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To Leigh204:
It’s very telling. It’s obvious they can’t make up bs lies when the video recorded what went down.
You’re Canadian, police in the US do not need a search warrant to enter a dwelling under certain circumstances:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exigent_circumstance_in_United_States_law
For example, if the police had just observed Ramarley Graham participate in a shooting or robbery the above actions would have been legal. Since they state they thought they saw a gun but didn’t find one.. (and of course killed Mr. Graham…) at minimum this is a royal misapplication of exigent circumstances. I doubt the killing would fit California’s definition of murder but possibly involuntary or voluntary manslaughter.
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@Uncle Milton:
To Leigh204:
It’s very telling. It’s obvious they can’t make up bs lies when the video recorded what went down.
What does my being Canadian have to do with the US police not needing a search warrant under certain circumstances? I’m pretty sure the whole world is watching you guys there in America and shaking their heads with what they see.
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To Leigh204:
What does my being Canadian have to do with the US police not needing a search warrant under certain circumstances?
You made a statement that the video is damning evidence.. it isn’t.since in some circumstances their actions would have been legal. However the statements (and actions) of the police are pretty damning.
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Some males want to control others and are hungry for the kind of authority that has respect built in. Some of these males have a desire to maim, brutalize, and kill others. There are also Black police officers who are just as brutal. Some of these Black police officers also rape Black women in some of those low income communities. So if you’re that type of sicko, what better job to get than become a police officer in America? Black American males are a perfect target group to unleash these desires on because they already are viewed as aggressive and less-valued.
Black American males are now mostly viewed as problems since they are viewed as not of much help to their women or their children, and a menace to others.
If there were no Black or Hispanic males to kill, these types of men with their sick desires would find another group to go after and it would be white males since Asian males are not viewed as aggressive. It wouldn’t be as satisfying to kill them since they’re not viewed as physically challenging.
I believe that a lot of whites won’t ever admit it, but they are happy that the police do these killings from time to time. It keeps other black males in fear and under control, just like hangings did during slavery. So as long as the police don’t kill an embarrassing number of Black men, most whites can rationalize and stomach it. It insures their safety.
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@jorbia
I’ve always believed that most whites would be more than thrilled if we were back in chains. So good for the ego…
And yes, a certain sense of justified happiness does occur when we die off.
As for the next group of people to bully?
Well , after we die, the asians die, latinos die…
How about people with glasses?
Or people how have the letter ‘ r ‘ in their name?
That’s what they want.
Total control of everyone.
@ someguy and Leigh
Yes, where are Doug and mik?
where is their ” reasonable ” explainations for this?
Cowards.
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@ everyone
When will white America understand that it is the very system they created that’s turned back to bite us all?
Poverty, police brutality, drugs, violence…
It goes on and on.
When will this stop?
This is so sad. I saw the mother on tv yesterday and she said she fears for her life. Imagine that, folks. You son gets murdered and it’s YOU that is afraid.
Go figure.
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@ Truthbetold
Yes, where are Doug and mik? where is their ” reasonable ” explainations for this?
I’m assuming Doug and mik are white. Of course, they will rationalize it. What else would you expect them to do? These killings serve as safety insurance for all whites. This is why Black American men shouldn’t care what guys like that say.
Black American men need to figure out what they can do outside of what whites think. That’s not going to help. It hasn’t helped yet, if these killings have gone on for a long time as this thread suggests.
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@ jorbia
I agree with that. The Klan with the badge.
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@ Abagond
I agree with that. The Klan with the badge.
Maybe because I’m a woman, I don’t understand why so many Black American men seem to become targets deliberately. If these Black men already know that the sickos are looking for them, why do they do stupid things to attract their attention? Why don’t they know better?
Let’s not try to rationalize the stupid things that Black American men do either. If I were a Black American man, I wouldn’t walk around looking, dressing or actiing like a thug because I would know that is going to attract more attention from these types of sickos. That’s like an invitation to brutalize me. So, I would probably wear a suit and tie.
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Certainly there are good cops and bad cops, but due to the fact that we give cops guns and authority, the bad ones are uniquely situated to inflice a great deal of harm.
The police unions have unfortunately caused the police forces of many cities to become a sort of mafia. Their tactics include defending/shielding all officers, even the bad apples. The fact that among these bad apples are racists who engage in racially motivated injustice makes this even more execrable.
The first step toward dismantling this racket is to dismantle public employee unions, at least those that apply to police officers. The next step is to make public all information about individual officer behavior, so that the taxpayers who hire these officers can make informed decisions about whether they want any particular individual on the force.
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@Blanc2
The police unions have unfortunately caused the police forces of many cities to become a sort of mafia. Their tactics include defending/shielding all officers, even the bad apples. The fact that among these bad apples are racists who engage in racially motivated injustice makes this even more execrable.
Most unions and other organized groups do the same thing. You’re describing a brotherhood or a family and this is exactly what attracts some men to become police officers. It’s like gang membership. The gang always defends its own.
If police officers don’t feel that they have each other watching their back, then who in their right mind would become a police officer? They don’t make much money, do they?
What exactly would be the motivation for any of this to change? Complaints from Al Sharpton?
Don’t expect for whites to change because this is working for them. The answer lies with Black American men. They’ve got to do something different.
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You wanna cite some examples of that? Or are you just using the Big Black Rapist archetype to rationalise to yourself why brutality against black men is justified?
You mean dress like this guy here?
I don’t understand either. I mean, in this day and age, why should any black man in his right mind dress casually and walk in groups of more than two? I guess they don’t realise that they live in a police state. Maybe because I’m a man, I don’t see why so many Black American women seem to become targets deliberately. It’s like they want to kill themselves – like this 92 year old woman! What the hell was she doing not doing anything at all! Doesn’t she know any better?
http://www.womanist-musings.com/2009/03/black-women-get-beat-by-police-too.html
Yah sah! I’se be a good darkie so Mr. White Man won’t beat me no more! Ah won’t try to institute systematic change and racial justice ’cause its all gonna take too long anyway (or form a political party for self-defense.)
I swear to God, woman, you make my day worth it.
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@Uncle Milton:
To Leigh204:
What does my being Canadian have to do with the US police not needing a search warrant under certain circumstances?
The video didn’t show the cop(s) shooting Ramarley Graham, yes, but these particular police were using aggressive tactics such as trying to forcefully kick down the door hoping to catch him in the act of dumping drugs down the toilet without a warrant. As you said, in some situations their actions would’ve been legal, but is it so in this case? Not to mention that Ramarley Graham may have carried a gun. Whatever transpired, we know that a young man lost his life. I do hope there is justice, but you do live in America after all. Justice for wronged blacks or any POC in a similar circumstance? Not very likely.
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This young man could have worn a 3 piece suit. He still would have ended up like this. Those police officers were hunting young black male-he fit their stereotype and were looking for blood. *SMH*
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If the NYPD were held accountable for previous acts of “excessive force” these types of killings would be avoided, I believe. It’s tragic to even believe that an innocent man was murdered cause police “thought” he had a gun.
Insane.
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Abagond:
Blackmen in this country need a reality check, and black folk in general. Police officers are licensed to kill, they have a gun and badge. Police officers can kill unarmed, innocent black males with impunity, and come up with some bulls**t excuse to justify it. Police officers have the criminal justice system on their side, which has always been racist toward black people…judges, prosecutors, public-defenders, officers, and so forth. White cops shoot to kill blackmen, but don’t do the same when the so-called suspect is white, white-hispanic, etc. Blackmen should not trust law enforcement in this country. We should avoid them like the plague. I don’t commit crime or hang around others who do, therefore, they have no reason to mess with me…Period! Blackmen think that race is no longer an issue, Really? They can think that if they want to. All the insecure blackmen in this country, keep being stupid and blind to what’s going on…Keep Being Stupid!!!
Tyrone
Black Eros
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There’s no doubt in my mind the poilice officers will get away with it. They always do. They may even get promotions.
What’s the point of the KKK when they can become police officers? It’s easier that way.
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@Mel
Racist white cops have been members of “The Blue Shield” from the jump. Any sane black person on this planet should be aware of this harsh reality…Bottomline! The cops will probably get a slap on the wrist, as per usual. The same bs takes place all over this country and abroad as well. As blackmen, we need to realize that the fight is not over, it’s not gonna be over for a long time to come. Some blackmen don’t like to hear that, It’s Real! Blackmen can ignore the realities of the world at their own risk. I refuse to be a victim of jealous, bitter police officers with a gun in their hand. All blackmen are in danger, not just those of us who reside in the hood, let’s not forget that.
Tyrone
Free Aquarius
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Folks:
Jim Crowe= mass incarceration of black men
KKK= police officers
Lynching= shooting of black men
The more things change, the more they remain the same.
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@Truthbetold
The sickest aspect of this bulls**t, is that, law enforcement justifies the wickedness of dirty cops by throwing thuggish blackmen in our faces. That’s how they excuse away other incidents similiar to what happened to Ramarley Graham. Young black males are runnin’ wild in the streets, therefore, cops have to be on guard more in black neighborhoods, Crap! Crazy whitemen kill cops too. The saddest part about this insanity, is that, innocent black people have their lives stolen from them because of the actions of other black people. Cops feel like they have to be “Rambo” in order to rid our neighborhoods of crime and violence…It’s F**ked Up!!!
Tyrone
Free Aquarius
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@ Tyrone
Whites commit crimes all the time but you never hear about it unless it’s an epic tale. You know what I’ve noticed?
When listening to the news, the anchor NEVER says ” A white man gunned down a school today.”
They will say, however, ” A young black male gunned down innocent students today.”
Now why do you suppose they did that?
Hmmmmmm…
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@Satanforce
Yah sah! I’se be a good darkie so Mr. White Man won’t beat me no more! Ah won’t try to institute systematic change and racial justice ’cause its all gonna take too long anyway (or form a political party for self-defense.)
I swear to God, woman, you make my day worth it.
I think that Black American men who talk like you are one of the main reasons why some of the young guys get killed. They listen to older Black men who talk tough. You have all of these fighting words while you’re safely on the internet, but your words didn’t stop the bullets that killed him.
It is irresponsible to get young males all fired up and acting aggressive toward the police, thinking they can deal with the police all by themselves because at the end, it was just that young man alone dealing with the police all by himself. Where were you with your fighting words?
It is better to be silent and bide your time so that you will be alive to fight another day than to talk big and bad today and get shot to death today.
It’s also better to camouflage yourself by wearing a 3-piece suit if you’re trying not to be a target on Wall Street than wearing a thug suit.
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Jorbia, what about Aiyana Jones. She was only a little girl and she was killed by police. Was she acting aggressively?
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You can do a simple search on this forum to find that I have quite a bit more than “fighting words.”
You are creating a false dichotomy between aggressive black males haranguing cops, and black men passively submitting to an irrational, aggressive, racist authority by disguising themselves in cheap suits bought second hand from the Goodwill. I am simply saying that black people from all walks of life now have a good, solid reason too organise and pool their resources, money and experience to create a New Civil Rights movement, based on decentralised leadership.
Ah yes, its those black men’s fault that they were shot to death. Too damn loud.
http://www.blackyouthproject.com/2012/02/black-policeman-shot-28-times-by-4-chicago-cops-found-guilty-of-attempted-murder/
I think that Black American women who talk like you are one of the main reasons why some of the young girls get killed. They listen to older Black women who talk tough. You have all of this hatred and racism against black men
while you’re safely on the internet, but your words didn’t stop the bullets that killed those women
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my son is 4 years old…..john john… he’s my best buddy…. If someone shot him in cold blood I would never recover from it.
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now if that happened….I still have my daughter and my wife……..but would I be able to hold the anger in?…..I don’t know….probably not.
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Problem is, you can wear the three-piece suits, keep your mouth shut and bide your time, and any color-aroused cop with a hankering for killing a black American can and will still do just that. Your dress and mannerisms don’t matter to a group of people who regard your existence as worthless. You’re nothing to these people.
This can’t go on forever. If white America won’t unfuck itself and take genuine steps towards reconciliation on ethnic relations with black Americans, sooner or later holy hell is gonna break loose, and it could take a wide variety of forms. I’d hate to see what would happen once the fear and disgust of crooked cops and the system that supports them catalyzes into an absolute hate that transcends and nullifies any fear they’d have of them.
I have a feeling there’s gonna be a second civil war coming and once again, race will be at the forefront of the hostilities. And this time, the country may not survive.
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@sanabituranima
Jorbia, what about Aiyana Jones. She was only a little girl and she was killed by police. Was she acting aggressively?
Why go to extremes? I’m not talking about very rare incidents. I’ll bet that if someone searched long enough, they could find an isolated incident of a young white girl getting shot by the police too. I’m not disputing that there is a higher chance of a young Black girl or an old Black woman getting shot by the police than white females.
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@Satanforce
You can do a simple search on this forum to find that I have quite a bit more than “fighting words.”
I don’t know what you mean by “quite a bit more” but if you’re talking about words, then I’ll say again that words do not stop bullets.
You are creating a false dichotomy between aggressive black males haranguing cops, and black men passively submitting to an irrational, aggressive, racist authority by disguising themselves in cheap suits bought second hand from the Goodwill.
My point is that if you believe that there are hostile folks around you and you can’t defend yourself, it’s not smart to deliberately be a walking target. You’re asking to be brutalized. Someone said above that Black American men need a reality check. Your statements are exactly why. You have a lot of bravado, but nothing else. Swagger will not defend you from bullets.
I am simply saying that black people from all walks of life now have a good, solid reason too organise and pool their resources, money and experience to create a New Civil Rights movement, based on decentralised leadership.
Then why don’t you Black American men go ahead and do that? No one is stopping you. That’s what men do. You Black American men say you want to be the leaders. Then go ahead and lead that. You spend too much time on the internet forums wasting your energy talking.
Ah yes, its those black men’s fault that they were shot to death. Too damn loud.
This is pure internet theatrics. You’re too emotional.
I think that Black American women who talk like you are one of the main reasons why some of the young girls get killed. They listen to older Black women who talk tough. You have all of this hatred and racism against black men while you’re safely on the internet, but your words didn’t stop the bullets that killed those women.
Silly. I can see the debate tactic you’re using but it doesn’t fit because I’m not talking tough. I’m talking just the opposite of tough. I would tell a woman to be quiet if she’s up against a much more powerful opponent. I would tell her to bide her time so that she could survive to fight another day.
I would tell any grown Black woman not to talk tough around my daughter if I had one unless she’s going to be there to take the beating or the bullet when the fists and bullets start flying at my daughter. I wouldn’t allow my daughter to even be around that kind of irresponsible talk. Or I would teach her to ignore it.
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@Mack Lyons
Problem is, you can wear the three-piece suits, keep your mouth shut and bide your time, and any color-aroused cop with a hankering for killing a black American can and will still do just that. Your dress and mannerisms don’t matter to a group of people who regard your existence as worthless. You’re nothing to these people.
This defeatist position you’re taking.
Black Americans need to stop thinking so much about how white folks look at them and think most about building themselves up to be people who function well. Another thing Black Americans need to do is be honest. If a group of people is “handling their business” other people can only criticize you to a small extent or they will look ridiculous in the eyes of the world. Even if whites don’t like Asians much, they don’t criticize Asians much because for the most part, Asians are handling their business.
How does any group of people handle their business? They build up their communities and carry themselves in a respectful way. A lot of Black Americans do carry themselves in a respectful way, but a significant percentage of them don’t. This is undeniable.
I know you Black American men don’t want to hear this, but there is no way around this if you want things to change for the better. First things first. You don’t need to try to fight back against the police first. You first need to start marrying the women and stay together so you can raise your children well. Of course, all of you men will deny that you are OOW fathers or say you’re raising your children well. But some of you have to be some of those abandoning or negligent fathers. Be honest about it and change that. If you don’t want to do that, then stop having sex with fertile Black women because a lot of those women will get pregnant. Some of them will have sons who will be filled with confusion and anger. They will become dysfunctional.
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@ Mack Lyons
This can’t go on forever. If white America won’t unfuck itself and take genuine steps towards reconciliation on ethnic relations with black Americans, sooner or later holy hell is gonna break loose, and it could take a wide variety of forms. I’d hate to see what would happen once the fear and disgust of crooked cops and the system that supports them catalyzes into an absolute hate that transcends and nullifies any fear they’d have of them.
I have a feeling there’s gonna be a second civil war coming and once again, race will be at the forefront of the hostilities. And this time, the country may not survive.
I could be wrong, but you should assume that those in power already have various plans in place to stamp out what you’re talking about. I’d bet they’ve had those plans in place for decades and are wondering what’s taking so long.
But to follow your hypothetical uprising, after it’s over, the masses of Black American men are still going to have to build themselves into well functioning men, so they may as well make this their highest priority now.
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I agree Jorbia, not to sidetrack the topic here but I have always wondered why this board shies away from one glaring fact that we all know. Absent fathers.
Abagond have you done a post on that yet? It’s no coincidence that from the US to the UK, about 70% of black children are born out of wedlock.
I’m not excusing these trigger happy police officers, after all that is what sparked the London riots.
A ‘baby daddy’ well known drug dealer was killed, apparently he was unarmed.
I’m not excusing racist cops, goodness knows London Police can be some of the worst.
It’s pointless to look to the white community and/or racist police department to sort out our problems. What black people need to do is rid their communities of the scum within.
Start ‘snitching’ on the scumbags, damn the consequences. Maybe police officers drag their feet in dealing with black issues because we are not proactive in our protest against the very people who are killing their own.
London Metropolitan police have a special task force, Trident, for black on black crimes. That’s how out of control it is.
You’d think we as black people would work with them, but they are often met with a wall of silence.
I never hear a peep out of black people when a black man dies at the hands of another black. Now add a white person to the mix, then they’ve had enough.
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In London it’s getting to a point now where I can’t even open up a newspaper daily/weekly and not see yet another young black man either stabbed or shot to death. I woudn’t be surprised if there are other incidents that aren’t even reported.
It doesn’t seem to faze anyone anymore. It’s ‘ho hum pass the butter’ kind of reaction. WE show other communities that we don’t value our own young men.
An utter disgrace!
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@Merrimay
I have always wondered why this board shies away from one glaring fact that we all know. Absent fathers.
When absent fathers are talked about on most internet forums that Black people frequent, the men blame the women. The men will say that the pregnant Black woman can choose to have the baby or not, and that the men have nothing to do with whether a Black baby is born or not. Black men need to know that some women are not going to abort their babies.
Using contraceptives is usually harmful to a woman’s body in one way or another. There are known and unknown side effects to contraceptive use. This is why people need to be disciplined, take relationships seriously, and use wise family planning.
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Fatherlessness is off-topic here unless it you can link it to police brutality. Otherwise it will become a serious derailment from the OP.
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It would be interesting to find out what percentage of Black men who are brutalized by police don’t have live-in fathers. I know my father and my uncles have told my brother and cousins how to behave around the police. I’ve heard them talking about this. They have been told to never argue, to never challenge, to be super polite, to apologize for any misunderstanding even when the police are wrong, and to then come home or call and tell other people in the family if they’ve been mistreated.
Some of you might think that’s being a punk, but there are better ways of handling these situations than having the lone, young Black man trying to either confront or deal with a police matter all by himself. Not saying that any of this happened in this particular case.
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Jorbia:
This is like advising a woman whose husband beats her that she should keep the house cleaner and make sure dinner is always on time.
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@Abagond
Jorbia:
This is like advising a woman whose husband beats her that she should keep the house cleaner and make sure dinner is always on time.
I’m sorry but that sounds like a defeatist attitude to me. I agree that it’s tough, but I think that certain types of behavior are more likely to get a Black man brutalized than others. It’s not totally random.
In the example you gave, complaining is not going to change her husband. I would never encourage her to try to physically fight him because that will give him an excuse to kill her. Instead she should carefully plan to get away from him to her own house. A lot of women in previous generations lived with this kind of fear and brutality. That’s why they value feminism so much.
I think it would be a much more effective strategy for Black American men to use their time and energy to build their own communities. The payoff for that would be great because people would have much more respect for them. The respect is important because someone doesn’t have to like you or accept you to respect you. Many men now have no choice but to respect women more these days because women have become much less dependent on men. Black American men should do the same with whites.
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I see jorbia is still spouting her BWE nonsense. Saying that if BAM stop dressing like “thugs” then they’ll get less hassle from the police.
Now that sounds defeatist.
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I heard about this survival technique on the radio. Being “super polite” and apologizing when the officer is wrong puts me in the mind of slavery and Jim Crow. I’m not suggesting that people should go off or become belligerant and argumentative around anyone with a gun. I would treat the officer as I would anyone else. No more, no less. No man should have to alter his behavior to the point of becoming docile so as not to offend. He may think he is respecting the officer, but what does this kind of submission do to his self-respect as a man? If someone is hell-bent on abusing you, I believe they will do so regardless of your behavior.
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@ Jorbia
Consider yourself fortunate that I didn’t make a long comment about your one-sided “man-up” posts before Abagond chimed in. Normally I don’t mind discussing these issues, but seeing a dishonest black women shifting the blame solely on black men is a bad way to begin the conversation. Which you did, since you didn’t place any fault on black women whatsoever. That sort of balance is something that one would do reflexively, if they actually believed it.
If you want black men to “man-up”, then you should be fair and tell black women to “lady up” instead of “whoring up”, because last time I checked it is ultimately women who decide if sex ever happens in modern society. Which, despite a few odd exceptions is “the way it is.”
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@vindicator
I see jorbia is still spouting her BWE nonsense. Saying that if BAM stop dressing like “thugs” then they’ll get less hassle from the police.
Now that sounds defeatist.
BWE? What’s this got to do with that? Or do you just want to talk about BWE? Maybe Abagond will make a post about that and those who want to talk about it can do it.
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http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Officer-threatens-to-make-up-evidence-after-arrest-of-innocent-men-139266773.html?tab=video&c=y
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I will be doing a post on BWE. So save that stuff for then.
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Can’t wait for that one!
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@Nom De Plume
I heard about this survival technique on the radio. Being “super polite” and apologizing when the officer is wrong puts me in the mind of slavery and Jim Crow. I’m not suggesting that people should go off or become belligerant and argumentative around anyone with a gun. I would treat the officer as I would anyone else. No more, no less. No man should have to alter his behavior to the point of becoming docile so as not to offend. He may think he is respecting the officer, but what does this kind of submission do to his self-respect as a man?
In that case, the man has flimsy self-respect in the first place. What good does self-respect do to a dead man? I was in the car with a white guy once on an interstate highway, and he got stopped for speeding. Things got a little tense, but he kissed up to the cop and we laughed about it later. He still got the ticket, but it didn’t get nasty. I wouldn’t respect a man who started arguing with a cop in a situation like that. I wouldn’t ever go out with him again.
If someone is hell-bent on abusing you, I believe they will do so regardless of your behavior.
This is not true. Talk to confrontation experts about this. There are even things that women who are about to be raped or killed can do to lessen the chances of being raped or killed. It doesn’t work all of the time, but it can make a difference. I think most women would want to at least try those techniques.
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I don’t know. Ask one of them whose doing just that right know.
I laughed so hard I farted. Really woman, you make my day worth it.
You’re too emotional. Stop using Internet theatrics about “talking tough”. No one here is “talking tough.” We are just a bunch of adults having a mature discussion.
I smell a concern troll……
It matters when white police are willing to use any aggressive measures to get their numbers up, or when they are being redlined, or are presented with public defenders who are so bad that as many as 2/3 of these public defenders getting fired or disbarred.
You mean like this?
http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2012/02/07/young-black-men-succeeding-in-higher-education-new-research/
Its called Atlanta. Oh, and I do believe that Abagond did a post on the Tulsa Riots.
What I find interesting about ANTI-BM BW such as yourself, is that you will find any, and every way to deflect even the most heinous and violent actions done by white men, on black men, back onto black men themselves.
Young black man murdered in his own home by police who attacked him without justifiable cause or a search warrant? Its because he was smoking weed and wearing “thug clothes”.
Root cause of black men getting killed by police? Their fathers were absent. (the corollary would be then that their mother;s presence contributed to the outcome, but that only goes to show how ridiculous your argument is.)
In truth and in fact,the problem is black people. Black people like you, who feel that young black men who look a certain way, speak a certain way, and don’t deny their identity to conform to a white supremacist society, aren’t worthy of the same level of respect as the rest of humanity.
Black people like you who feel that the solution to black people’s problems is to just nod politely and say “Yah sah, Mr. Policeman.”
Black people who think that its black people that should change – not whites.
The problem, more than ever now, is people like you.
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@Franklin
If you want black men to “man-up”, then you should be fair and tell black women to “lady up” instead of “whoring up”, because last time I checked it is ultimately women who decide if sex ever happens in modern society. Which, despite a few odd exceptions is “the way it is.”
I think a lot of women of all races are out there not being ladies or “whoring up,” as you call it, if you’re talking about what I think you are, so why single out Black American women?
If a lot of other men are not manning-up, I don’t hear about them complaining about various things that are directly connected to them not manning up. When Black American men don’t man up, it causes the Black American community to fall into disarray. If Black Americans had a solid community base, it would be a lot better for all. Just a mere suggestion.
But if you want to blame everything on racism, go ahead.Nothing is going to change and you should know that because that’s been done for a very long time and these incidents still occur.
@Abagond
I will be doing a post on BWE. So save that stuff for then.
Well, no one should expect me to comment on that thread because it would be pointless. I was simply mentioning to the other commenter that BWE was another topic.
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Oh, and I guess these women were talking tough, right?
http://www.womanist-musings.com/2009/03/black-women-get-beat-by-police-too.html
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@Satanforce
We are just a bunch of adults having a mature discussion.
Adults having a mature discussion would face reality. The reality is that whites do not have to change and complaining or begging them to change and be nice is not going to change anything. It doesn’t matter whether I or you think they should change. It’s immature to think that just because I or you merely want something that it will make a difference. Yes, I think whites should change. So let’s see whether that will force them to change.
Whites can change one day and change back the next day. Black Americans have no leverage to maintain any white change, but Black Americans men can change themselves. If you don’t think Black American men should change, then what can I say.
Black American people have marched, begged, and complained enough. It’s time for another strategy. If Black American men focused on building up their own communities, they would be more successful at implementing any strategy. Even marching and demonstrating was more effective when the Black American community was more intact.
Did you mention Atlanta? The last I heard, a lot of Blacks are getting out of there. They say it’s the behavior of Black people that’s driving them away.
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@ jorbia
Can you offer any sound, tangible resolutions?
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@Satanforce
I don’t watch those videos because those are very selective videos which don’t further the discussion about strategy. i could just as easily find videos of Black American men brutalizing Black women.
I thought strategy was being discussed here. You’re too emotional. All you can do is parrot what I say and post videos.
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@Truthbetold
@ jorbia
Can you offer any sound, tangible resolutions?
First of all, Black American men need to turn over a brand new leaf in order to earn the respect of Black American women. They are not going to be able to do anything without the women. But they need the women to respect them, not just tolerate them.
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@ Satanforce,
that jorbia woman has absolutely zero regard for the lives of black men whether they be innocent or guilty. Her posts on here could almost be words uttered by the racially hostile cops themselves!
I knew when I 1st started reading this post that either the usual team of BWE Black male baiters would flee under the Confederate flag or come out seeking to make those devils in uniform no different than your average Black cop!
Its people like jorbia why I say that relationships between white men and her are in no way representative of racial harmony or even romance but are instead racial alliance against Black men in which white men are but silent partners.
Geez, if I had issues with my mother, I sure wouldn’t take them out on random Black women on the internet lol
Know what I mean?
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OK. You wanna to discuss strategy (instead of the actually topic). Fine.
Community credit unions Most Jamaicans do not purchase securities in the form of stocks and bonds, but instead use the credit unions that are made available at their workplaces or communities, Unlike commercial banks, credit unions do not have the type of overhead, and are thus able to beat both banks and commercial paper in returns. Black people should endeavor to set up such financial institutions to enrich themselves. I also recall a similar set of credit unions being set up in poor areas of South Africa
Community food plots A few years ago when oil was hovering near 140 USD, I was given a class project to create an urban farming project that could be used for middle class to lower class people. The project that I created was feasible for when oil was at or over 65 USD a barrel. I am not aware of black Americans eating habits, but the plots I worked on were easily able to yield 90lbs of yams (feed a family of four for several months), as well as bananas and plantains – and without fertilizer. I did not grow any fruits, but I feel that fuit plots would put a lot of corner stores out business, not mention cut down on the use of food stamps
Cultural Diversification I am using this as an euphemism for FUCK HIP-HOP. Black people need to create alternative cultures that do not merely reflect their current situation, but give meaning to the past, guidance for the future, so as to explain and give meaning to the present. The blues, dancehall music and hip hop only encourage self-pity and a will to nothingness. A new cultural shift will have to take place to lift blacks out of their anomie and malaise.
Any further ideas can be discussed in the Open Thread.
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Sadly, the police actually don’t need a warrant. It’s called Plain View. For instance, if the police claimed they saw or smelled drugs they have the legal right to go into a house.
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@Satanforce,
I think your ideas are great. What took you so long?
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Menelik , you damn loser, where the hell were you and Rocky when the black men, white women thread was being hijacked by trolls and BWEs? I and another dude had to hold the fort all by myself!!!
During any discussion involving sellouts, race traitors, Uncle Toms, manginas and other such crazies, there should always be a cadre of black men to confront such liars and distortionists with a view to creating chapters and meet-ups in the real world to make strategies and make change.
Tim for the gloves to come off against these sell-outs. No sense going on HBD and other such sites, when you have people like the above here.
Thank you for that. We do have a similar system in Jamaica. Usually, dude gets caught, swallows his spliff, so that its his words against the police. Police takes him to petty summons, and dude pays a 300JMD (almost 4 USD) fine.
He doesn’t get murdered in his own home.
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@satanforce
Economic independence for black people is of course most desired, but I don’t think it’s economy that’s causing all this police violence against BP. I remember reading on this blog that most Blacks are middle class now, and also if i remember correctly, as far as harassment is concerned they didn’t spare a professor.
And in any case, I’m not up about the kind of poverty that there is in the US, can poor people afford plots? One would assume that poor people gather around the cities, build up slums and work cheap at factories and shops and rich people’s homes.
IMO, black people must unite, organize and mobilize for political power. They can start with %-wise representation(quota) in the locality’s police force and if possible, black policemen for black neighbourhoods. Enough black men and women have died already, there is no need for more deaths to prove that white policemen for black people is a potentially dangerous situation. I think this may be an incentive for black people to form communities that are geographically united. I have other ideas as well but I’m too sleepy to type right now.
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@ angelsanddimensions
I have replied to you here
https://abagond.wordpress.com/open-thread-2/#comment-113391
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@ Satanforce,
Bro, I had no idea of the battle you referred to! What’s the topic’s title in full? Anyway, you can hit me up on Facebook to alert me in future of any such ‘battles’. I wont hang around, Bro!
Peace.
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What does style of dress, speech, absent fathers have to do with police officers forcibly entering a home, shooting a young man without reason, hauling an elderly woman to jail to be questioned for over 7 hours without any thought to her age, health, or grieving state? Why is it that someone always want to dig in the bag for some magic tricks to pull wool over our eyes when these cases come to light?
This shyt has been going on for far too long, and it needs to stop. These friggers are using black men as a meal ticket by keeping them imprisoned with trumped up charges in many instances, and sending their kids off to college, paying their mortgages and shyt on black women and children’s tears. This 18 yr old kid should have lived! He should have had the chance to get an education/ vocation and make a place for himself in the world. He should have had the chance to be a husband, father and a shoulder for someone to cry on. He should have lived to give his mother grandchildren, or brush her hair when she can no longer do it for herself. Who gives a rat’s azz about a lil dope bag of weed. How many of us did things we should not have done at his age; underaged drinking, sex, smoking weed ( I didn’t, but I knew a few ppl who did at that age) using our parents credit card without permission etc..should we also have been gunned out for simply breathing? This is cold blooded murder, and I hope his family does not stop until every single officer involved in this loses their job and the ability to ever be an officer in any force in the US and are also criminally prosecuted for this heinous crime.
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@Truthbetold
As black people, we need to realize that, local news stations and newspapers are on the same team. I’ve observed white news editors whitewashing shootings and other acts of violence with impunity. If the suspect is black, they make sure to mention that to the viewers, if the suspect is white, race is not mentioned in the story. Leaving out the race of the suspect when they’re white or other non-black, creates a false perception in the minds of black folk and others as well. Only black males commit violent crime, thus, creating paranoia in the minds of white cops who unjustly kill innocent black people. On the flip side, a lot of white cops are killed by violent whitemen as well, because they Ass-U-Me. And, the same goes for blackwomen as well, as it relates to men of other races. Yes, too many blackmen on this planet have blood on their hands, but, that doesn’t justify law enforcement adding to the death count. It’s bad enuf that we have to fear our own, and cops as well, WTF!
Tyrone
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No surprise here. Cops here in the Pacific Northwest have been getting away with murdering unarmed POC for years…AND, it’s called ‘following proper police procedures’!
An unarmed, suicidal man was shot multiple times in the back while following police directives – and this has been called ‘proper procedure’.
http://www.kgw.com/home/Portland-police-sued-by-family-of-man-shot-dead-in-January-106633453.html
A native american woodcarver was killed by police in Seattle after they approached him without cause and demanded that he drop his 3-inch long buckknife that he was using for his street crafts. The murder victim was nearly or completely deaf, so did not hear the demands to drop his ‘weapon’ and he was killed. This has also been labeled a ‘justifiable use of force’.
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Woodcarvers-family-to-get-1-5-million-from-city-1359018.php
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I was stupid enough to even take part of the police story for granted (that there was a chase). Graham appeared to have been walking calmy and casually into his grandmother’s home before police were seen frantically pursuing him.
I guess someone decided a black man needed to die that day.
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SMH, Thank You for bringing his name out of the Shadows. Unfortunately We dont hear all the stories of Police Brutality. It is painfuly hard not to feel Helpless. How do you fight the Organgized Crime which we refer to as Law Enforcement?
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He had a long record. It was just a matter of time before he killed someone. Not now.
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