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The white racist guide to talking to blacks about race

Fri May 4th 2012 by abagond

How to talk to black people about race as ably shown by the white racists on this blog:

Things to know:

Blacks are emotional thinkers – They are not objective and neutral like white people. They do not care about facts and reasons. They are like children: they measure truth by their feelings. They see the world as they wish it were – with themselves starring as the Eternal Historical Victims.
They are brainwashed by their leaders – Racism died in the 1960s but their leaders maintain power by brainwashing them into thinking racism is still holding them back.
They live in the past – why else would they keep bringing up Ancient History, like slavery or Jim Crow? History has nothing to do with the present.
They want to make whites feel guilty – so they can get handouts instead of pulling themselves up by their bootstraps like everyone else.
There is nothing you can learn from them – they are crybabies who are incapable of understanding their true nature or that of American society. As proved by their lack of success in America and the hellhole that Africa has always been.
Know the stock white racist arguments – the race card, reverse racism, black pathology, the president is black, Africans sold their own as slaves, Get Over It, Stereotypes Are True, etc.

Stuff to do:

Talk down to them – because they are like children. Besides, why in the world would you show respect to anyone not your equal?
Prove they are inferior – with IQ scores and crime statistics. They need to face up to their true nature for their own good. Because you care.
Make it about winning the argument – not about understanding their viewpoint. After all, whites understand blacks way better than blacks understand themselves.
If you are losing the argument:
- Derail – throw the argument off its tracks. Like by changing the subject, accusing them of racism or making it about your white feelings.
- Play dumb – Act like you suddenly do not understand simple declarative English sentences. That way you do not have to answer their point.
- If in doubt, repeat your talking points – much better than admitting you are wrong.
Stereotype – no need to listen closely and try to understand what they are saying. Just see which of the Five Negro Arguments it is closest to and go with that. Blacks are incapable of deep thought or insight.
Belittle their experience – they just like to whine and imagine stuff. Or: It happened to you too.
Show fake concern – remind them that you are interested in Dialogue (while not taking anything they say seriously) and Answers (while dismissing all of theirs and offering none of your own that requires anything of whites).

In short, do not talk with them but at them. It is all about you talking and them listening. It is a one-way street because they have nothing of value to say. Why would they? They are black.

– Abagond, 2012.

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259 Responses

on Fri May 4th 2012 at 22:03:26 stevenhaws

Well, the first top I have to agree, the second part, looks more or less the structure of an internet debate with a few things taken out and put in to address as a racist argument. but who knows lol

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on Fri May 4th 2012 at 22:09:15 brothawolf

Another win!

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on Fri May 4th 2012 at 22:17:50 yoknyamdabale

That about summed things up, sadly so!

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on Fri May 4th 2012 at 22:32:54 duckduckgoofs

Excellent article, abagond. Very poignant!

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on Fri May 4th 2012 at 22:51:58 Menelik Charles

Cosigned!

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on Fri May 4th 2012 at 22:57:22 duckduckgoofs

Oh, wait. Was that supposed to be a parody?

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 00:00:20 Mack Lyons (@DDSSBlog)

Dead on, more or less.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 00:06:31 Oyan (@Oy_aN)

..”Prove they are inferior – with IQ scores and crime statistics. They need to face up to their true nature for their own good. BECAUSE YOU CARE….”

Hilarious.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 01:08:54 truthbetold

WOW!
Good one.
Let the trolling begin!!!!

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 01:17:45 louiejacuzzi

Not gonna d-ride, Not gonna d-ride, oh who am I kidding, this was a killer post Abagond

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 02:15:52 Iris

Reading articles like this is one reason why I love this blog.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 02:30:38 Ace

Wow, this is hilarious because it’s so true.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 02:47:13 leigh204

As always, abagond, spot on! 🙂

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 03:13:12 cleonette

@ leigh

co-sign!

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 06:03:28 SomeGuy

Black Puerto Rico FTW!

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 08:05:49 Inconvenient Truth

I just want to know the pink elephant in the room: WHAT IF THE POINTS WHITES MAKE ABOUT BLACKS ARE ACTUALLY RIGHT?

But anyway, let’s backpedal a bit. We are at an impasse here and so we need to get to THE TRUTH.

On the one side, are the blacks. They maintain that much of the anger and violence within the black community (amongst other factors) stem from a long-standing resentment of slavery from the white man.

Whites do not share this belief but instead, assert this as excuse. They cite inconsistencies in this logic, pointing out that blacks are ironically even their own ‘worst enemy’.

Whites point to the fact that blacks perpetrate crimes against their own race at by far the highest rate. How does acrimony for slavery explain the high rates of black-on-black violence?

So how about countries where black slavery was never even an issue? Let’s examine England.

In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race.

The figures showed that even though blacks only make up 12% of the population of London, they commit 66% of the total shootings. This means they commit shootings at 550% percent higher than their population.

Yes, not 10% or 25% higher, 550 percent!

Of the other forms of violent crime, blacks commit robbery 417% higher and sexual assault at nearly 300% higher than their population.

So even in countries where black slavery wasn’t even an issue, blacks commit crime at literally HUNDREDS OF PERCENTS higher per capita.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 08:33:39 brothawolf

The inconvenient truth,

First off, the last time I checked, you were leaving in a huff crying and moaning how no one listens to you and your “truths”. But just like these fools, you are obsessed with us robbers and sexual deviants. lol Why else would you return after saying you wouldn’t return?

Second, Why are trolls like you hung up on the notion that black people are angry about slavery as if it’s the only travesty that happened to black in America? Furthermore, what makes you think we are angry about slavery? And finishing up this chain, what makes you think we are angry?

Third, what figures show that outrageous percentage (550%) of black crime in London?

Fouth, what figures show those other outrages percentages (417% higher in robbery and 300% in sexual assault)?

I swear. You’re trying to make it sound like black people have nothing but crime on our minds and that’s all we do by the sounds of those percentages. It’s unrealistic and just plain hyper-exaggerated.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 08:47:36 cleonette

According to those statistics every black person has to have murdered, raped, or burglarized at least once in their life. Maybe even all three. I’m still in my twenties so I still have time to fulfill my stereotype.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 08:48:07 malkia

@ inconvenient truth

Here’s an idea….poverty is directly linked to people being prone to committing violent crimes or just crimes generally. Ever thought about that.

Poor people, hopeless people, people without much access to economic wealth, people who were brought up in families where poverty is the gift that keeps on giving…I think you get the idea.

High rates of violence within black communities or countries is just a symptom of economic disparities between those who have and those who don’t.

But according to you, we are violent because its in our DNA, right? Is that not what you are trying to imply? SMH

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 09:15:51 cleonette

The burglary part will be difficult for me, however, because I am afraid of guns and really not that fun of violence. Will any any other black people on the blog offer to help me rob someone? If you plan on raping someone on the same night, we can reschedule. And don’t forget to bring the crack rock. It helps me stay angry about slavery and I like to save a little to make my rape victims a bit more compliant.

My cousin didn’t do his homework last night and made a F. That is totally the white man’s fault! I told him not to worry about his grades. He can make all F’s and get into an awesome college because of affirmative action! Better yet, he can still make F’s in college and if they don’t give him his degree, just say its racism! Works every time! Then that good ole affirmative action will help him become CEO and still get his food stamps because of his multiple false identification cards! His 4 baby mommas live in the projects and drive an Escalade.

We living the life off of this $300 government check! Who needs a job! I love it when the kids have to dodge bullets from the gang banger drive-by shootings! They get so flexible from dodging all those bullets that they grow up to play in the NBA or NFL! It’s no problem when one of them get shot. We just bury them! I mean, who cares if other black people kill black kids? It only matter if a white person kill a black! Then I have to pull out my old riot baseball bat that has been passed down from generation to generation. I love riots! How else would I get a big screen TV!

I’m going shopping tomorrow. I really hope a white person follow me around the store so I will have something to complain about! I mean, my day just doesn’t not seem complete without some good old racism to complain about. I just love being disrespected! I hope the cops pull me over on the way home too for no reason. How else am I supposed to have an excuse for why I can’t do better in America!

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 09:29:27 Inconvenient Truth

So we get to the truth by eliminating variables.

Whites have scored yet another milestone and established that black crime is NOT because of resentments and the residual oppressions from slavery and segregation.

Black crime is astronically high throughout the world where black slavery wasn’t even a consideration!

The moment emotions and PC are put to the side and one wants TRUTH, EVERYTHING becomes very simple.

Blacks are by far the oldest race, and as such, they are the most primitive.

When you start to consider what behavior someone primitive might engage in, it easily and elegantly summarizes blacks.

In fact, the evolution of mankind is measured largely by how evolved his skull is.

If you look at the progression of the human skull, you will see how important moving away from an ape-like skull is to evolution.

Taking all feelings and passions out of this, you can plainly see how primitive and ape-like the black skull is compared to the white skull. Make no mistake, it is vast difference.

If we know blacks are the oldest race, and we can readily see their features are the most primitive, how is it so shocking that they ARE THE MOST PRIMITIVE RACE?

It’s a simple issue that’s been made complicated because of feelings. But the truth transcends “feelings”.

Then, moving this forward, all the other issues now make sense. Because black features are the most primitive they are consequently the least attractive.

Now we’ve explained the important reason “why” behind blacks being generally less attractive.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 09:55:57 Inconvenient Truth

@ malkia

You said that violence has more to do with low-income levels instead of race. Let’s examine that:

There’s around 1.5 million blacks in Britain. There’s 13 million people people in Brittain who live in poverty.

That means that even if EVERY SINGLE black person was poor, the vast majority of the poor (11.5 million) would still be other races.

So if the vast majority of the poor aren’t even blacks, WHY ARE ALMOST ALL OF ALL THE SHOOTINGS FROM BLACKS!?

Yes, clearly blacks are more violent.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 10:19:38 cleonette

Somebody wash the sheets; he’s have a statistically induced orgasm…

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 10:25:04 Inconvenient Truth

@ brotherwolf

If 12% of the population commit 12% of a crime, then their rate of crime matches their population. These people don’t commit crime disproportionately high or low, but exactly even.

If that 12% were to commit 24% of a crime then their rate of crime would be literally double (which is 200%) their population.

Blacks make up only 12% of London yet commit 66% of all the shootings. That means proportionately they commit shootings literally 550% higher than their population!

It’s outrageous!

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 10:37:03 Inconvenient Truth

************ By the way I’ll be busy for the day, so I won’t get to answer any more responses.************

Abogand should have the gumption to balance every subject he writes by electing an intelligent white to construct a rebuttal.

These are indeed important issues, and both the black and white communities need to have a fair say in order to get to the Truth.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 11:08:17 Matari

Inconvenient Truth – you want the truth .. ?

Given all the anecdotal evidence on how WHITE CRIME, globally, is excused, overlooked, dismissed, covered up, watered-down, under-counted and so forth, why should black people believe any, or all, comparative published *rates* of black/white crime that’s mostly compiled and collected by a very racist culture (WHITE SUPREMACY) with an established and proven built-in system of implicit, and explicit, racial bias??

Wouldn’t this be similar to expecting that stellar organization known for its unwavering self-righteous objectivity (the Klu Klux Klan) to conduct a fair, HONEST and just investigation and court proceedings involving the rape and murder of a black woman by one of its own white male members???

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 11:20:19 leaarong

100%+ all true! Shame actually this still happens, but what can one do but fight the good fight against them..and this!;-)

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 11:22:05 leigh204

@ Inconvenient Truth:

Abogand should have the gumption to balance every subject he writes by electing an intelligent white to construct a rebuttal.

Before you criticize Abagond, you should learn to spell his name correctly. And Abagond has every right to write whatever topics he chooses without so-called intelligent whites refuting what’s in HIS blog. Why is it you don’t see whites who write topics about blacks have black people rebutting? Yeah, I thought so. Btw, as an intelligent white, are you referring to yourself? lol!

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 11:39:54 B. R.

Its not whether someone is angry about slavery or not, its about the fact that black slavery to the Americas, from Africa, still has lasting affects on anywhere that these slaves were brought. This is just a fact.

And, last time I looked, England was involved in the slave trade and most of the black people who immigrated to England , come from one of its slave colonies like Jamaica.

This skull bs is pure racist dogma, and especialy your takes on beauty, inconveniant lies. Have the guts to admit your own personal taste, but, get it the heck out of my face because it just doesnt aply to my tastes. You absolutly cant speak for the tastes of others.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 12:17:23 sam

@inconvinientruth:

“I just want to know the pink elephant in the room: WHAT IF THE POINTS WHITES MAKE ABOUT BLACKS ARE ACTUALLY RIGHT?”

Well, they are not, if you imply that the statistics are a)realistic b)it is because of biology.

We all know that in USA blacks get imprisoned and arrested and booked and end up in to statistics from crimes which the whites never do. Example: white kid smoking a joint in university campus never gets more than slap on the wrist if even that but a black somking a doobie on the street will get arrested and goes to court and may end up in jail. So those statistics are twisted from the get go. Same applies in statistics of many other countries.

There is no biological explanation for crime what so ever. Never has been, never will be. Why? Because crime is a a)social issue b)legislative issue c)the most powerful criminals are mainly white.

In case you do not know, the history of black communities in USA is directly linked to the alliance between the racist cops, government and white organized crime. In 1920’s and 1930’s many urban black communities were on the rise, such as Harlem NYC. They talked about Harlem Renesance. Then, after the prohibition was abolished, the white gangsters started to import drugs, mainly heroin and cocaine, into the USA. In order to keep it going on, white organized crime made a deal in many cities with the police and the governing bodies: they would sell drugs only in black neighborhoods and the cops would look the other way.

This started in 1930’s but exploded in 1940’s after the WW2. In Harelm the so called Pleasant Avenue connection, controlled by the Lucchese mafia family, operated totally openly for at least a decade. Only in late 1950’s the new laws brought serious convictions for drug crime. Before those you could get caught with 250 kilos of heroin and get max 5-6 years in prison.

The massive drug business across the nation by white organized crime demolished whole black communities and brought them down. Black criminals were selling the dope on the streets and in their neighborhoods but the whites provided it. Leroy Nicky Barnes was considered by many as being a black godfather but his dope came from Gambino mafia family. The same happened again in 1980’s crack epidemic. Black guys sold the stuff on the corners but the guys who brought the cocaine into the country by tons were white organized criminals. And again, black neighborhoods were brought down by the narcotics and their off shoot criminality and despair.

All experts agree that the main reason for absolute majority of crime is poverty. All experts agree that gang problem appears in all societies where the society has in all purposes abadoned a section of that society. We know that because of racism in certain societies blacks happen to be many times more often poor and abadoned. Thus the problem.

BUT just look at Russia. How do you explain their criminality Inconvinent? Isn’t it inconvinient that there is a huge and extremely brutal crime in that country which has no black population almosta at all? Who are those committing those crimes over there? Who are those thousands who belong to gangs, mobs and mafiyas over there? Not blacks.

BUT majority of russian criminals are poor. That is an absolute fact.

So your attempts to show that blacks are prone to crime because they are blacks is not only false, it is also very childish and immature, and very ignorant. The problem is poverty, desperation, lack of education, lack of future etc. And this is a problem even in those countries where there is high crime rates or criminality despite the lack of black communities.

What you really need, Inconvinienttruth, is knowledge. And it will not hurt if you get some truth too. And try to remember; you are n ot the spokes person for all the whites, nor you ever will be.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 12:26:59 wilson

Excellent article. Love the picture.

Where can I get it?

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 12:52:47 ListenToLeon (@ListenToLeon)

This was great. Gotta love how racists went from hiding behind sheets to hiding behind screen names in comment sections. Cowards.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 14:50:38 Bell

It’s just like Honey to the Bee. I can see that our “Inconvenient Truth” just couldn’t resist coming back here!

I can imagine him traumatizing and itching himself for not being able to comment on the Thread ” First experience of white racism”
Well, atleast he respected and didn’t make a fool of him/herself by complying to Abagond’s regulation!

_ Inconvenient Truth

@ brotherwolf

If 12% of the population commit 12% of a crime, then their rate of crime matches their population. These people don’t commit crime disproportionately high or low, but exactly even.

If that 12% were to commit 24% of a crime then their rate of crime would be literally double (which is 200%) their population.

Blacks make up only 12% of London yet commit 66% of all the shootings. That means proportionately they commit shootings literally 550% higher than their population!

It’s outrageous!

What a great fantasy you’ve got Inconvenient truth!
You know what? I think you could make a lot of money exploiting those fantasies of yours.

“So how about countries where black slavery was never even an issue? Let’s examine England.

In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race.

The figures showed that even though blacks only make up 12% of the population of London, they commit 66% of the total shootings………………………..”

I guess you don’t need to be reminded that England isn’t an exemption when it comes to institutional racism and inequality: employment discrimination, racial profiling, unequal Funding for School Districts.

And all sorts of Social and Systematic oppressions and social injustices (because that was how white made their wealth and position; and they see to it that it still goes on, up till date; in order not to lose that position in society)

From an article I recently read.

“Racist firms (in London) keep black unemployment high

Ethnic minorities are not sharing in the new prosperity, despite growing labour shortages, as legislation fails to prevent employer discrimination”

As you may well know, people commit crimes for some of these reasons:

Economic; power; anger; boredom, fear, peer pressure, opportunity; Because they do not see the benefits of adhering to conventional social values; A pervading emphasis on being successful, just to name a few!

Mind you, i do not condone crime of any kind.

So if whites (unrightfully) gain access to things like: 99% Possility to be empolyed over a non white person; even though that person qualifies more than the white person.
To make it short, they benefit in short route!

Benefitting from the institutional racism; that they themselves created, all kind of Social and Systematic oppressions and social injustices etc. why do they (in general; in England, America etc) commit crime at the rate in which they do?

I think I have the answer to that. It is because, it’s their nature; it’s simply innate!

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 15:28:40 Inconvenient Truth

@ matari

Let me see if I get your… “logic”

You say ignore those (“racist”) crime statistics but believe anecdotes as evidence?

So now crime statistics are “made up” but stories are more reliable than facts and figures, right??

So if all this “black crime is made up” by supremacists I guess all those dangerous ghettos ‘don’t really exist’ either, right?

I guess the gunshots you hear there are all ‘actors’ right?

And all those blacks who are proud they rose above the influence of the streets, and have years worth of stories from witnessing drug hustling, stabbings, shootings, etc.., these people are also all just “imagining things too”, right!?

It’s amazing how blacks will sympathize with blacks who tell these horrific stories of how violent life in the ghetto was but when whites validate these stories with statistics, we are ‘making things up.’

Your thinking is so absolutely RIDICULOUS I will never speak to you again.

You are literally too feeble to dignify.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 16:16:40 duckduckgoofs

@Sam

We all know that in USA blacks get imprisoned and arrested and booked and end up in to statistics from crimes which the whites never do.

Nope. I’ll Use your example of smoking pot. Blacks and whites smoke pot at about the same rate. But
prosecutors in majority black areas have too much other crime to worry about prosecuting someone for smoking pot. So they offer them a lesser charge in exchange for a guilty plea. Black users get off with a fine. Black dealers are the ones going to jail. But prosecutors don’t have time to prosecute them, either. So they offer to charge them with a lesser offense in exchange for a guilty plea. A dealer pleads guilty to possession and goes to jail for that instead. White areas have lower crime rates so prosecutors there aren’t as lenient. They don’t offer plea deals as often and when they do its not as good a deal. So the difference isn’t so much a matter of who uses drugs more but who deals drugs more. An assistant DA told me that. I tend to be skeptical of anecdotal evidence. But I looked up the rate of plea bargain for drug offenses and blacks were offered plea bargains more often.

All experts agree that the main reason for absolute majority of crime is poverty.

Men commit a lot more violent crime than women. Does that mean more men are living in poverty?

BUT just look at Russia. How do you explain their criminality Inconvinent? Isn’t it inconvinient that there is a huge and extremely brutal crime in that country which has no black population almosta at all?

You say Russia has a higher crime rate than the US. And that’s true. But Russia doesn’t have a higher crime rate than blacks in the US. Not even close. The latest figures I have show Russia’s homicide rate is only 12 per 100,000 compared to the black homicide rate of 26.5 per 100,000. Moscow even has a lower crime rate than New York.

But Russia’s crime rate is higher than other white countries. It’s mostly from a couple of areas that have been in a state of undeclared war since the Soviet Union broke up. When they get that under control, the crime rate will be just as low as the US. In fact, before the Soviet Union broke up their crime rate was lower than the US.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 16:30:04 truthbetold

@ Inconvenient

The only ridiculous thing here is you.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 16:51:17 anonymous

@sam

I guess inconvient truth forgot to mention other white countries in which crime, and poverty, abound. Romania, Moldovia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Ukraine, Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria.

@ inconvient truth

Greece has fallen, Italy is in danger, London might be next, so for all the so called superiority you indirectly claim to have based on race and shanzi a$$ statistics, looks like the so called superior race has run Europe and
America into the ground. It’s “Birth of a Nation” a repeat of the period after reconstruction in the U.S. when lies where told about Black people, and around the time period during which the KKK was formed. What is happening inconvient truth, is that it is “game over.” As usual, whenever the economy tanks, racist behavior increases. Another thing is that we have a Black President, Black people moving into prominent positions in society, other so called minorities moving into positions of prominance, seem to equal an uptick in white racist behavior. Case in point, Danny Chen, Jeremy Lin, and the stupid racist behavior that went along with those situations. Nigeria, Ghana, Senegal, China, Vietnam, Korea, Brazil, and many other so called “third world countries” are moving forward economically, while the west is in decline.

I have said this over, and over again. Inconvient truth, white supramacy was given to you as a means of social control by the elites who run this country. They don’t give a darn about you at all. You are merely a means to an end, and essentially, they are through using you and people like Bliff. There is a move toward a one world government, and now they are simply using people like you and Bliff to create social unrest, keep us all fighting against each other in order to gain control over us all. You have been taught and well versed in how to us white supramacy to maintain the status quo, but there is no longer any status quo to maintain. As Alex Jones once said about the elite class in this country, and their intentions toward us all “they are finished with you.” So inconvient they are done with us, and could care less if those of us deemed as inferior to the elite class of any race kill each other off, or die.

I am seeing a major backlash in Christianity, and it should not surprise me, when the dominant theme is that Jesus is White, and so is God. Case in point, are some of what I currently have heard coming out of the mouths of religious leaders who should know better. So I definitely, feel that it is a major move in this society to “put Black people back in their places” by, using the same tactics used in the past. The killing of Trayvon Martin, Danny Chen, Troy Davis, Shaima Alawadi, are just a few examples of the use of violence by people like you, after being further indoctrinated by the extreme right, and religious leaders to go out and do something vicious and stupid to attempt to return to what you call freedom and liberity. The shooting of Gabrielle Giffords is an example of this, and the case of Timothy James McVeigh is a real good example of how this works. I consider McVeigh an excellant example of a disenfrancised white male, and the end result.

I also want to let you know that any 1st year Criminal Justice student is taught about how the Unified Crime Reports are manipulated. I will give you a hint, it starts at the local level. Since you seem to be so knowlegeable, I can only encourage you to do some research, because the statistics you were quoting didn’t make sense, and Great Britian seems to parallel the U.S. in terms of social ills and racism. So they are essentially suddenly deciding there are too many people of other races occupying the land, the economy is tanking and now suddenly there’s a back lash. So the same thing is happening in Great Britian, make it look like POC are violent, the cause of all ot their problems.

I guess scape goating and white supramacy go hand in hand.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 17:01:33 truthbetold

@ anonymous

Thank you for that wonderful explanation.
The Columbine Massacre is another example of white terror gone wrong. Funny that you should mention the Lone Wolf, McVeigh. Many whites, are simply unable to accept that he is , indeed, “one of them” so they deflect it as him being a “nut” that has no bearing on white society.

Because of this blatant denial, coupled with the desperate need to be seen as morally decent people, the cycle with repeat itself.
Probably til we’ve all been destroyed.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 17:35:22 SomeGuy

HAHA! I absolutely love how Inconvenient Truth has basically confirmed Abagond’s blog post by being a real, life specimen. Brilliant!

Although, you did miss a few, I.T. How about showing me some fake concern and then we can call it a day, eh?

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 17:55:06 Matari

“Your thinking is so absolutely RIDICULOUS I will never speak to you again. ”

*******

Actually, my thinking in right ON POINT, and it scares you! Your grasping at all sorts of straws (as in men) instead of “logic” indicates you have no real counter argument.

As far as you not talking to me goes, Thank You.

But why should I believe you?

After all, aren’t you a real racist (or race realist – same thing actually) whose penchant for believing in heriditary factors based on race supports your belief system? Who tells bigger lies than white people who are mired in whiteness? No one! According to YOUR way of thinking – lying is in YOUR blood/genes.

Given the outrageous and countless lies told historically (and presently) by many in your white collective, why do you think that I or any non-white indidvidual should believe one word that comes forth out of anyone’s mouth that is invested in white supremacy?

Don’t be fooled by your tolerated presence here. You’re not bringing anything new/original to the discussion table that hasn’t already been said here or elsewhere. All you are is a PERFECT example of those things – whiteness – that Abagond aptly illustrates. In other words, you are merely an object lesson/teaching point. Kind of like a show and tell of how racists act, persist, on the run and the pathetic foolishness you clowns pull out of your old and tired bag of tricks.. Funny thing is, you can’t even hold a candle to some of the smarter, better, more racist intellectual trolls that have been run out of here. Heh.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 18:39:13 abagond

@ cleonette

“Somebody wash the sheets; he’s have a statistically induced orgasm…”

LMAO!

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 18:40:42 abagond

I did not bring my frog for show-and-tell, but I knew one would show up.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 19:22:32 B. R.

Co-sign Matari …

“So if all this “black crime is made up” by supremacists I guess all those dangerous ghettos ‘don’t really exist’ either, right?”

Now lets just examine this.I just want to ask all the blatent “race realists” , and, statistics beleivers if they beleive these things :

1) white people packed newly arrived black Americans from the south, into neighborhoods in urban centers thoughout the USA that the realtors and local politions created by scaring white home owners into fleeing by weaving tales of property values going down by blacks moving in.

2) the 1937 Tax act was new drug laws that were put into place by Anslinger, a freind of Randolph Hearst, and, they were laws aimed at targeting minorities to put in jail.Part 2, there is a “prison industrial complex that thrives on jailing minorities in drug busts to sustain their corporate goals

3) most black on black homicide , that isnt a personal known aquaimtance , is a result of this drug trade, that represents for a some black males who are economicly disadvantaged backgrounds th only way for fast upward mobility, not saying it is right , just saying it is what is….and some of these black males sometimes make these choices because :

4) one of the over riding themes on the First Experiance thread is that black people in America face racism and discrimination and regection right the moment they hit the American educational system..they perceive very quickly that society does not have a place for them and they will face discrimination based on their color at many turns they can make in their lives

So, ghettos were basicly created by white people, drug laws were created by white people and they were targeted agains minorities, black Americans realise really fast that society is not in their favor,some young black males turn to the violent drug trade to make quick money, they shoot each other for territory to sell the drugs,and, media blows it up to make it seem like statisticly , black Americans are more violent than white people and that all white people should be afraid of the black violent horde outside of thier neighborhoods ready to pounce on the first white person walking down the street

And you get these race realists making up stories based on skewed statistics that are easy to see through if you look up from the paper and try to see humanity , historical facts, and real life

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 19:25:54 abagond

@ Inconvenient Truth

1. Thanks for providing a living example of what my post talks about. Keep going with those crime stats! And do not forget the IQ scores! Skulls are so 1800s.

2. You do know, right, that the free Britannica online is from 1911? There have been biological discoveries since then. Like that whites are part Neanderthal but blacks are not. It is the only case I know of certain genes being present in some continental races but not others.

3.

“Abogand should have the gumption to balance every subject he writes by electing an intelligent white to construct a rebuttal.”

That means either you are not white or not intelligent. Or do not know how to construct a rebuttal.

Except for one post, the comment section is open to all races and all intelligences – much to the dismay of many – so construct away. I hold myself to 500 words but white commenters are not even held to that limit. Comments must be expressed in Modern English and I reserve the right to delete comments that use racial slurs, resort to personal attacks, call for violence or are off-topic – but none of those things prevent an intelligent rebuttal.

I have bent over BACKWARDS to allow whites to speak their mind so long as they can do it in a civil manner.

So the lack of intelligent white response is not through a lack of gumption on my part.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 20:20:55 Inconvenient Truth

@ matari

I’m sorry if this is a bit rude but, you are just not smart enough to debate white people with your knife to a gunfight intelligence.

Your paragraphs are just emotionally charged ramblings that sloppily stumble over one another like mindless drivel.

I’m sorry
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@ Leigh, you’ve always been too timid to roll your sleeves up and really get into a debate. You’re a couple lines kind of person with an impact that’s nominal & ineffectual. If you say something or do not, it affects nothing.

Look, the moment I submit a post, however one may feel about it, it’s provocative and tide changing.

I quickly take over the ‘zeitgeist’ of the blog by shifting the balance and putting blacks on the defensive (which is where IT SHOULD BE)

I use a readily intelligible common sense approach, peppered with statistics, and validate it by irrefutable real-life observation.

Instead of being a couple line critic, you should construct a developed argument. Stop being a lazy contributor

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 20:24:57 phoebeprunelle

You know I wonder why white people always talk about how violent blacks are when we didn’t:

1. Start all of the misery, death and decay that the world has seen in the past 2,000 or so years
a. the Spanish Inquisition
b. the burning of women (i.e. so called witch hunts) just because a woman loved animals, could gather the right herbs to cure inferitiliy and other illnesses, etc. walking in the woods
c. the Christian Crusades (taking innocent lives in the name of Christ)
d. the persecution of women simply because they were women (includes dunking [emersing a woman under water until she drowned], burning at the stake[Joan of Arc et. al], branding, etc.

2. WWI
3. WWII
4. The Bosnian War (mass genocide/white tribal wars)
5. Let’s not forget; approximately four summers ago, Russia invaded the small country of Georgia and almost declared war.
6. Afghanistan/Iraq Wars (again worship, believe and live the way we (whites) do and we will leave you alone.

It’s really never ending. I think white people just need to be honest about their ultra aggressiveness and deal with that instead of the projection they put on blacks, Asians, Indians, and other folk of color. We (people of color) have not been irresponsible enough to drop nuclear weapons on people causing almost three generations of children to develop cleft lips and other facial deformities in their mother’s wombs.

Really, this is madness.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 20:34:16 Inconvenient Truth

Really Abagond?

I guess you just conveniently ‘miss’ all the times blacks call whites “trolls” here.

Later tonight I will respond to your items of contention.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 20:41:52 truthbetold

@ phoebe

Whiteness is evil. I wonder if it’s inborn? They seem unable to view themselves as the lying, cheating demonic forces they are. Even with all your exapmles, they gloss over it, as if it’s unheard. I’ve never seen anything like it.

Watching them implode is quite fascinating. It’s like they can’t help themselves, their sickness is so deeply ingrained…
My only fear is the undercurrent of violence they bring with them. Like a simmering pot of water.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 21:15:25 sam

@duckduckgoofs:

“In fact, before the Soviet Union broke up their crime rate was lower than the US.”

BUAHHAHHAHHAH! Are you friggin serious???? The statistics of Soviet Union?? You are funny, man!

The statistics of Russia??? You gotta be jokin!!!! 😀

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 21:23:36 Matari

Inconvenient ..

You just proved my other point.

What’s that?

“I will never speak to you again. ”

Which of course makes you a LIAR – but as you real racists like to espouse your beliefs in genetics, predispositions and such, YOU apparently come from a long line of liars.

BTW… We don’t randomly call white people RACIST trolls. Just the deluded ones who actually are.

“…your knife to a gunfight intelligence.”

Abagond – they’re sending children (trying to sound like a grownup) here after us now! *smh*

IT …. Your local whiteness club must be getting extremely low in their available pool of racist trolls to send here in an attempt to antagonize.. if they’re sending you. Does your mummy know that you’re on her computer?

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 22:41:23 Sasha A.

This is funny and sad at the same time because it’s the absolute truth.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 22:42:18 duckduckgoofs

anonymous

I guess inconvient truth forgot to mention other white countries in which crime, and poverty, abound. Romania, Moldovia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Ukraine, Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria.

Actually, the homicide rates in those countries are all very low. The per capita income isn’t as high as most developed countries but compared to the rest of the world its still pretty high.
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@phoebe I think white people just need to be honest about their ultra aggressiveness and deal with that instead of the projection they put on blacks, Asians, Indians, and other folk of color.
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I don't recall anyone saying Asians and Indians were particularly aggressive. Neither of those have a very high crime rate. Its actually quite low. And from what I've seen Asians, Indians and Whites tend to get along fairly well.

@Sam The statistics of Russia??? You gotta be jokin!!!!

Not at all. Most communist countries have low crime rates. Russia’s homicide rate spiked after the Soviet Union collapsed and now its returning to normal. If you’ll notice their former republics also have fairly low crimes rates.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 22:46:57 brothawolf

Inconvenient truth

You said, “If 12% of the population commit 12% of a crime, then their rate of crime matches their population. These people don’t commit crime disproportionately high or low, but exactly even.

If that 12% were to commit 24% of a crime then their rate of crime would be literally double (which is 200%) their population.

Blacks make up only 12% of London yet commit 66% of all the shootings. That means proportionately they commit shootings literally 550% higher than their population!

It’s outrageous!”

You’re right. It is outrageous. So outrageous it’s hilarious.

Did you come up with those stats yourself, did someone do it for you, or did you find them from another website and did the old “copy and paste” bit?

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 22:48:16 Jared

@ Inconvenient Truth :
Why then do glasgow scotland and finland has the highest murder rates in western europe : http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/sep/26/ukcrime.scotland

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 22:51:04 leigh204

@ Inconvenient Truth:

@ Leigh, you’ve always been too timid to roll your sleeves up and really get into a debate. You’re a couple lines kind of person with an impact that’s nominal & ineffectual. If you say something or do not, it affects nothing.

My brief comments are nominal and ineffectual enough for YOU to respond to me. It’s also not necessary for me to waste precious time having a discussion with the likes of you as you’ve proven time and time again you’re incapable of an honest debate.

Look, the moment I submit a post, however one may feel about it, it’s provocative and tide changing.

I quickly take over the ‘zeitgeist’ of the blog by shifting the balance and putting blacks on the defensive (which is where IT SHOULD BE)

I use a readily intelligible common sense approach, peppered with statistics, and validate it by irrefutable real-life observation.

Instead of being a couple line critic, you should construct a developed argument. Stop being a lazy contributor.

I daresay I’ve been on this blog longer than you have. I’ve contributed plenty throughout the years and what have you contributed? Ramblings of a typical whiny, defensive, and deflective, white racist doesn’t count.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 22:51:52 brothawolf

Inconvenient truth

You said “By the way I’ll be busy for the day, so I won’t get to answer any more responses.”

Okay. Tell me how your Klan meeting went, kay?

“Abogand should have the gumption to balance every subject he writes by electing an intelligent white to construct a rebuttal.

These are indeed important issues, and both the black and white communities need to have a fair say in order to get to the Truth.”

No. It’s Abagond’s blog. Therefore, he and only he gets to decide what gets posted just like any other blogger. You are no position to tell him how to handle his own blog.

If these are “important issues”, do yourself a favor and start a blog on your own. That why you can write whatever you want, when you want and how you want it. Sounds neato, doesn’t it?

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 22:52:41 Dodo

@ anonymous
Romania might not be rich but crime rates are waaay lower than USA.

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Romania/United-States/Crime

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 22:53:05 brothawolf

Jared,

Good question to inconvenient truth. Of course his response would be, “Cause the black immigrants there are causing the most crime.”

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 22:53:26 Jared

This link is a bit more recent : http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/shocking-rise-in-scottish-knife-crime.15457796

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 22:59:29 brothawolf

Matari

Inconvenient truth said “Your thinking is so absolutely RIDICULOUS I will never speak to you again.”

He’ll speak to you again. He’s that emotionally unstable and a potential racist online stalker. Oh wait! A few comments later…

Inconvenient truth to matari:

I’m sorry if this is a bit rude but, you are just not smart enough to debate white people with your knife to a gunfight intelligence.

Your paragraphs are just emotionally charged ramblings that sloppily stumble over one another like mindless drivel.

He says you are the emotionally charged one here. But in what was supposed to be his final responses, they were littered with exclamation points. And in his earlier comment he never wanted to speak to you again.

Ha Ha. Inconvenient truth, you crack me up.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 23:04:10 brothawolf

phoebe,

You forgot man-made disasters like Chernobyl as well as other environmental crimes . No black person was responsible for that.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 23:16:17 Herneith

will Any Any Other Black People On The Blog Offer To Help Me Rob Someone?

Yes, I Will. I Just Got Back From A Smash And Grab Sale Downtown. I’m Going Out Again Tomorrow, Care To Join Me? I Know All The Best Places!

i Love Riots!

So Do I! The Last Time I Went To A Riot, I Was Able To Refurnish My House! Can’t Wait! I Need Some New Electronics!

body Wash The Sheets; Hes Have A Statistically Induced Orgasm

Being The Brilliant White Person That he is, he Should Invest In Kleenex And Vaseline!

nd Should Have The Gumption To Balance Every Subject He Writes By Electing An Intelligent White To Construct A Rebuttal.

Count Yourself Out Then Joker, You Can’t Even Spell His Name.

Thinking Is So Absolutely Ridiculous I Will Never Speak To You Again.

Promise? Bring Back Prohibition! Are you drunk?

are Literally Too Feeble To Dignify.

You Are Literally Feeble-minded!

sorry If This Is A Bit Rude But, You Are Just Not Smart Enough To Debate White People With Your Knife To A Gunfight Intelligence.

You’re White So Why Are You So Dumb? You Must Be A Genetic Anomaly.

i Quickly Take Over The Zeitgeist Of The Blog By Shifting The Balance And Putting Blacks On The Defensive (Which Is Where It Should Be)

The Only Thing You Quickly Did Was To Forget Taking Your Psychotropic Medications, Liquor Doesn’t Help! As For Answering And ‘Constructing’ An Intelligent Rebuttal, There Is Was Nothing ‘Intelligent To Respond To to start in regards to you and your ilk. Keep The Jokes Coming! Oh, And Try To Come Up With Something More Original Other Then The Usual Alcohol Fueled Tropes About Blacks.

later Tonight I Will Respond To Your Items Of Contention.

Will That Be Before Or After Your Customary Quart Of Liquor?

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 23:22:03 Matari

Brothawolf

Inconvenient Truth is both inconsequential, and incontinent… which explains that rather offensive odor that accompanies his presence.

Someone at the nursery school or old folks home needs to re-size his Pampers or Depends, whichever it is, for a proper fit.

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 23:27:50 Herneith

If he was a ‘smart’ white man, he would invest in the Pampers and Depends stock!

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on Sat May 5th 2012 at 23:36:27 SomeGuy

Most communist countries have low crime rates.

That’s because most of the crimes are done by the government and they wouldn’t report themselves, now would they?

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 00:14:03 Inconvenient Truth

@ Brotherwolf

Really? Even your name is childish. You’re presumably a full-grown adult and yet you still call yourself “Brotha”.

It’s just so embarrassingly tacky…

Anyway, notice the pettiness here: It’s such a “grave sin” to get in a final word after you’ve said you were finished with a person? As usual blacks focus ON THE WRONG THINGS.

Brotherwolf, you are so dry and out MEANINGFUL rebuttal that you derail the subject into saying I’m crazy or a klan member or whatever lame comment might come to you.

LOOK, all said, blacks have a substantially higher proclivity towards violence. PERIOD.

You can easily verify it by looking at their rates of crime within any given population or even by simply walking through nearly all black neighborhoods.

My other point here also stands. The point since blacks are the oldest and most primitive race and consequentially have the most primitive features, they are generally far less attractive than whites.

Juxtapose a black face and white by looking at them both from the side. The black actually resembles a monkey. When honest, blacks themselves readily admit this.

http://www.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1BdjJ5LUlag&ei=RsGlT6eDLoOI8QSytPTAAw&usg=AFQjCNGnAFp3Mds_R8-OPcc6Pq-A0FzPlA

Debate me head on.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 00:22:47 Inconvenient Truth

Use this link instead:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFYQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1BdjJ5LUlag&ei=_sKlT6_VFo6m8ATP2YWwAw&usg=AFQjCNGnAFp3Mds_R8-OPcc6Pq-A0FzPlA

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 00:26:57 Mack Lyons (@DDSSBlog)

“Abogand should have the gumption to balance every subject he writes by electing an intelligent white to construct a rebuttal.”

Abagond is not obligated to do that. Remember first and foremost that you are a guest here and that you should act accordingly.

I have bent over BACKWARDS to allow whites to speak their mind so long as they can do it in a civil manner.

You shouldn’t have to. I’ve found bending over backwards for ungrateful people to be tiring and highly unproductive.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 00:33:44 Pentagon

Inconvenient truth.

Brush up on some evolutionary biology before you go on quoting it. Also, read the bottom of the page 21, by the British govt. Criminality has nothing to do with natural proclivity, and everything to do with other factors.

Attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder, and often depends on inner beauty-or lack therof…

Click to access horr19c.pdf

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 00:41:53 truthbetold

@ Inconvenient Truth

” blacks have a substantially higher proclivity towards violence. PERIOD. ”

Ok.
Fine. No problemo.

If what you say is indeed true, then whites have a higher proclivity towards:

1. Sexual deviancy
2. Sociopathological behaviour
3. Mental illness including anxiety, paranioa, depression and tendencies toward suicide.
4. Pederesty.
5. Terrorism

Only a masochist would come here a get anniliated by us…and come back for more.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 01:21:54 B. R.

No , Inconveniantruth , look at the faces from upside down, and look at the lips of the white man and compare them to the monkey, then pull out a razor and take off the extra hair on the body, you know , from the monkey….., that is like some white men, and, check out how lily white that monkey is…the skin is of a white man…this truth may be inconveniant to you…

And, I say again, speak for yourself about what is attractive and not.You are not the judge and jury of what every person finds attractive….its an insult to listen to you ramble on about this like you are the authority

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 01:22:26 duckduckgoofs

truthbetold

Your argument doesn’t make sense. That would be like me saying, “If dogs bark then pigs fly.” Either one of those may or may not be true. But neither has anything to do with the other.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 01:25:59 duckduckgoofs

Inconvenient Truth & BR

I don’t care who started it but I would appreciate it if you both stopped with monkey stuff. Everyone is roughly 98% genetically the same as chimpanzees. So everyone shares at least some simian characteristics. What someone looks like has no bearing on their intelligence or character.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 02:40:43 brothawolf

Okay Inconvenient Truth,

You screamed, “Really? Even your name is childish. You’re presumably a full-grown adult and yet you still call yourself “Brotha”.

It’s just so embarrassingly tacky…”

What in the world does me calling myself “Brotha Wolf” have to do with maturity, let alone this post? You’re seriously harping on that to begin your response. That’s immature from someone who calls himself “Inconvenient Truth” who uses exclamation points and capitalized words to convey his fragile emotions while showing yourself a prime example as to what this post is about everytime his makes a comment.

Moving on…

“Anyway, notice the pettiness here: It’s such a “grave sin” to get in a final word after you’ve said you were finished with a person? As usual blacks focus ON THE WRONG THINGS.”

So this is about winning the argument, is it? Again, you’ve proven yourself to be an example of this post. And how do you know what blacks focus on? Your racist 19th century venting hints that you know about as much about black people as much as Barbara Bush.

As far as focus on the wrong things, who are you to say what is wrong to us when you don’t even know us.

Thens you said, “Brotherwolf, you are so dry and out MEANINGFUL rebuttal that you derail the subject into saying I’m crazy or a klan member or whatever lame comment might come to you.”

I’m not known to derail any blogs period. What I’ve said to you goes along with this post, and it shows you can’t deal with it. Yet, you still come back.

Next, you screamed ,”LOOK, all said, blacks have a substantially higher proclivity towards violence. PERIOD.

You can easily verify it by looking at their rates of crime within any given population or even by simply walking through nearly all black neighborhoods.”

Let me guess, you got this from statistics and numbers alone. Therefore, you’ve leaped into conclusions without questions, right? And let’s be real, you haven’t even stepped foot into a black neighborhood to make such a statement.

In any case it’s funny how you’re obsessed with black myths of being natural born violent criminals when history has proven that white people have committed the worst atrocities against mankind and nature for years. Phoebe, has given a list of examples of the violence committed by white men. But who are we kidding? That doesn’t matter to you, does it? All that mattes is what black people are doing to satisfy the racist darkness in your mind.

“My other point here also stands. The point since blacks are the oldest and most primitive race and consequentially have the most primitive features, they are generally far less attractive than whites.

Juxtapose a black face and white by looking at them both from the side. The black actually resembles a monkey. When honest, blacks themselves readily admit this.”

You really must have gotten your information from the 1911 Britannica or older. It’s clear you’re saying this to make yourself feel better about being white. You tear us down using outdated research because that’s the only kind you can count on to excuse your hate. We’ve seen it all before, kid. Your racist mindset is nothing we haven’t seen before, and it will not have any significance other than it shows how white people like you think. So, thank you for providing evidence of how dysfunctional, juvenile and warped the white racist mindset is.

Give him a round of applause, folks.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 02:41:50 brothawolf

I wonder how long it’ll take before Inconvenient Truth breaks down.

*Gets out the popcorn.*

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 03:08:20 Jerry Tenney

I think the arguments about crime are misleading. The fact is that the laws concerning crime are definitely a function of class. The behavior of the lower economic class are more severely punished. The box that people live when poor is smaller, more stressful. Rich people are fewer but there harm can be much greater. It is not technically a crime to shut down a factory town or force craftsmen into assembly lines. But rich people do this and if they can racialize the circumstances of poverty, well then they well let ignorance and bigotry conceal their role.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 03:38:43 abagond

Inconvenient said:

“I’m sorry if this is a bit rude but, you are just not smart enough to debate white people with your knife to a gunfight intelligence.

Your paragraphs are just emotionally charged ramblings that sloppily stumble over one another like mindless drivel.

I’m sorry”

Good work! That’s right: blacks are not terribly bright and are emotional thinkers.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 03:41:34 abagond

Inconvenient said:

“Look, the moment I submit a post, however one may feel about it, it’s provocative and tide changing.

I quickly take over the ‘zeitgeist’ of the blog by shifting the balance and putting blacks on the defensive (which is where IT SHOULD BE)”

Wow, you just keep it coming! A point for derailing the post and another point for making it into an argument to “win”!

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 03:46:54 abagond

@ Inconvenient

“My other point here also stands. The point since blacks are the oldest and most primitive race and consequentially have the most primitive features, they are generally far less attractive than whites.

Juxtapose a black face and white by looking at them both from the side. The black actually resembles a monkey.”

Wow, you are not taking it back to the 1800s but the 1700s when Western science still believed that beauty was objective and a sign of racial superiority:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/06/09/the-white-beauty-ideal-as-science/

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 03:47:47 Herneith

I Wonder How Long Itll Take Before Inconvenient Truth Breaks Down.

He already has hence his lunatic ramblings, he is suffering from OCD. Due to his condition he has a compulsion to go to black oriented blogs, spew a bunch of bullcrap, and invite people to join in his delusions. Sad but funny at the same time. Will the comedy never end?

As Usual Blacks Focus On The Wrong Things.

And you focus on your delusions. It must be a full moon tonight.

Brotherwolf, You Are So Dry And Out Meaningful Rebuttal That You Derail The Subject Into Saying Im Crazy Or A Klan Member Or Whatever Lame Comment Might Come To You.

Like I wrote, you are delusional. After comparing black people to monkeys, claiming that they are naturally violent, and other generally lovely compliments, do you honestly think they are going to ‘debate’ and ‘rebut’ your ‘arguments’? I don’t think so. That would be like farting in a wind tunnel and just as exciting, not to mention a colossal waste of oxygen and time.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 03:53:32 a proud Black conservative

Wow. Where to begin. I stumbled across this blog just browsing around the internet. I have to ask the question, do you all realize that you are as racist and discriminatory as the ‘white’ people you claim are so ‘evil’ and ‘immoral’? Wow, you just did exactly what ‘they’ did to ‘us’ (us black people that is) in the past. Congratulations! Now you are the racists!!!

It might surprise that many of the things that white people ‘know’ about black people happen to be true, No, not the genetically, physically inferior stuff because I’m in agreement that is all just junk science for the real racists. I’m talking about the ones about how they are brainwashed by their leaders (Sharpton, Jackson anyone?) and how blacks do live in the past.

Black people are absolutely stuck in the past. No living black person has ever been a slave and no white person alive today has ever owned a slave. So why are you all still blaming slavery for your failures and white people’s success? How about you stop blaming other people and get up go to school and work your behinds off to make something of yourselves. I look at it like this: my slave ancestors helped build this country and I’ll be damned if I don’t honor their pain and humiliation by not working my butt off to make something of myself and partake in the fruits that they were forced to produce. Stop blaming slavery, it is over! *Note: this is not to say we should’t study the history of it thoroughly. As a history major I believe we must learn our history to better appreciate their suffering and make sure we don’t let it happen again.

As for being brainwashed, well we are. We let people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson herd us into believing that everything is racist and that everyone is out to get us. We must be brainwashed because even though both of them have been proven false on race issues several different times. Examples include, but are not limited to, the Duke lacrosse case and the Brawley rape accusation. These men are race baiters and they make their money on betraying the trust the black community has in them. They make money on telling people white people hate you, and then turn around and support actual things that keep black people down. A con job if I’ve ever seen one. Martin Luther King Jr. must just rolling in his grave.

The reason why blacks are still poor in America today is largely due to the Great Society welfare programs set up by the DEMOCRAT Lyndon Johnson. He was a racist, he said “I’ll have them niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years” after he passed the Civil Rights act of 1964. All of the welfare programs were designed to keep black people in intellectual, economic, and social enslavement. I’ll have you know that black people were actual coming up pre-Civil rights movement. That is the whole reason why there even was a civil rights movement, black people were getting there stuff together and began to demand equal rights. Since the implementation of the Great Society, black people have regressed economically and in all other areas. I know you will all call him a ‘house nigger’ (or an aunt Jemima in my case), but I urge all of you to read up on some Thomas Sowell.

Almost all of the programs implemented by democrats have hurt black people, and yet you say it is the republicans who are the racists? Let’s examine abortion. Abortion has affected black people more than any other group of people, and guess what, it was designed to do just that. Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood and advocate for abortion, believed that we should encourage abortion for those people considered ‘undesirable’ which included blacks, Hispanics, and eastern Europeans who were immigrating into the country in vast numbers at the time. Want to take a guess what percentage of abortions blacks have had since it was made legal in the 70s? 45%, nearly half of the abortions in this country are preformed on black woman. Ever wonder why the black population hasn’t increased in percentage since the 1950s/60s? Well, abortion is why. Funny how its those racist republicans who want to limit abortion.

The big one….education. We’re all in agreement that our black children are stuck in disgustingly failing schools, right? Do you know why this is? It’s because the democrats/liberals are invested in keeping them there. Dems are in bed with the teachers union. Both make their money by keeping children in schools. In other countries they have parental school choice. Those countries out-preform the U.S. in education. Republicans have a strong track record for advocating for parental school choice. For proof of this look at REPUBLICAN governor of Louisiana Bobby Jindal (who happens to not be a white guy, but a minority). Democrats control the schools that our black children are suffering in, and Democrats control the cities that our black people are suffering in, and yet you all keep voting for them. There is a quote that applies to this situation perfectly and it goes like this: insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Well I could say more, but I know most of you won’t listen. I can only hope that your children can open their eyes and see the truth one day. Open for any and all discussion, just ask that you keep it civil.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 04:10:01 SomeGuy

LOOK, all said, blacks have a substantially higher proclivity towards violence. PERIOD.

Psst! Over here, buddy.

::opens up his long, beige trench coat::

Here, I’ve got the good stuff…

http://whitewatch.info/

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 04:21:39 brothawolf

Oh look! Inconvenient truth has the perfect back-up, the proud black conservative.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 04:31:14 Herneith

Proud Conservative:

Is that you RR?

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 04:51:17 cleonette

@ a proud black conservative

You are just as worst as some of these racist that come in here. How do you figure anyone is here is blaming anyone for their failures? How many people in here do you see evening posting this list of white induced failures? As I see it, most of the people commenting in this blog are highly educated and speaking up for they one who are limited by institutional racism.

Just because you haven’t experienced what other people have experienced, who do you think you are to come here and tell people how to feel. Nobody is in here praising Al or Jessie. I am my own leader and I don’t need to be saved. Maybe if you went out into some communities that you are so ready to come in here an demonize, you would realize that these are real people, with real problems despite how they think they ended up in that state.

Maybe you should go read the “Experience” blog and see for yourself. Everyone in there posted about what happened and how they overcame. You came in here with your noise in the hair and stepped in a pile of sh*t. We can all smell it. Good for you if you have not had to experience any racism ever in your life, but don’t come in here lumping everybody together and calling people racist just because they are willing to call it out. It sadden me that I have to talk to someone like you about this subject. You just keep being a proud black conservative. I guess they use lube when they bend you over for a nice easy ride.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 04:52:31 dave

I’ll be honest Ace kind of beat my but on that last argument we had so I’m a wounded warrior.

She did make me re think alot. as hard as that was.

I will say this. Doesn’t it depend on where you live on if you are the one talking down to the black person in the argument.

I don’t think I talk down to people because I didn’t go to college and although I have alot to say some of the people on here run circles around me with vocabulary. It doesn’t mean I’m stupid. I can play chess with the masters and my deductive reasoning and math skills are off the charts.(Don’t say I made this all about me) I’m just giving you some background.

I feel like where I live there are some of the nicest black people on the planet……….Chester Pa. There are also some aholes. But isn’t that anywhere.

Heres my thing when you lump all white people in the category of the tread , It becomes an us against them argument. That isn’t venting about white racism. It is saying I don’t like that white guy because he’s white and has different views.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 04:59:26 cleonette

And another thing. Sweetie, if you depend on the government, any government to save you, you are already lost. There is no difference between democrat and republican! They use the same arguments against each other. Nothing ever gets better, it gets worst. The government is about 95% of the problem no matter who is holding the reins. You need to wake up! Education is not about actually educating kids. It’s about indoctrination and capitalism. You have to self-educate. You have to seek knowledge on your own. Textbooks, newspapers, and the media are no different than the comics. You don’t even what to know how many people are laughing while reading your post. You are lost, sweetie.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 05:04:54 SomeGuy

Black people are absolutely stuck in the past. No living black person has ever been a slave and no white person alive today has ever owned a slave. So why are you all still blaming slavery for your failures and white people’s success?

We bring up current events and get accused of whining about slavery?? Your post is exactly what someone White would say who has has little experience with actual Black people. Seriously, bro. I have a hard time believing you are Black. Maybe you can scan your Ghetto Pass so we can take a gander.

Out of all the issues that are brought up here, a small minute fraction actually involved slavery. If you didn’t notice Mr. Bourgeoisie, when the slaves were freed, then were not provided with the keys to the city. Blacks have been targets of abuse, post-slavery, from 1865 to 2012. In other words:

It ain’t about slavery, homeboy!

Wake up, stop supporting the status quo, who hate your guts, and get with the program. Conservative indeed, negr0 pleeeeeze!

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 05:06:45 cleonette

@ brothawolf

I mean literally! Who is this clown?

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 05:12:46 cleonette

My grammar sucks when I get angry. lol Sorry guys! Nice of you to admit when you are wrong Dave.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 05:23:25 brothawolf

But Dave,

You said, “Heres my thing when you lump all white people in the category of the tread , It becomes an us against them argument. That isn’t venting about white racism. It is saying I don’t like that white guy because he’s white and has different views.”

Like I and other people have said a million times, white people lump all black people in the categories of criminals, violence, laziness, and stupidity, and they have been for centuries. Not only that, they want us to believe it and smile about it.

Black people have asked nicely not to judge them collectively and negatively. They peacefully protested. They told their own stories and viewpoints. They even tried to integrate with whites. Still, by and large whites hung on to their racist beliefs. So, why isn’t it natural to flip the script and talk about white racism? Why is it so wrong for us to speak out on the problems of white racism?

Most black people are tired of trying to play nice and polite not to hurt white people’s feelings, but white racists, confessed or not, are not as civil. As proof, look at Inconvenient Truth’s and his comments as well as the comments of past and present trolls including the “race realists”. Why on Earth wouldn’t anyone be sick of the kind of responses made by people like him but yet still think they are good, intelligent people?

cleonette,

I have no idea. Part of me hopes this is a sock puppet of someone else who’s current or have been here.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 05:27:37 joshua

@brothawolf

Environmental disasters: see Lake Chad, among others.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 05:35:10 Sharina

@ a proud Black conservative

This is where I take issue with your post and many other people who claim that blacks are mad about slavery. I for one have never met a black that is mad about slavery. The blacks I have met have all been mad about how whites have treated them in their own experience.

I am going to go with older blacks for this one. Many of them do not trust white people and rightfully so. They have been subjected to all kind of racial inequities in life. Did you forget Jim crow laws and segregation? Heck not to long ago there was a police officer caught on video who had pulled over a black person and was heard spouting out all kind of racial slurs. He has been suspended. These things are not of the past and for you as a person to push it off as it does not exist is beyond me. I have not personally experienced it, but I am not going to down play a persons experience and chop it up to black people are wrong.

My husband would call you a bold face lie in heart beat for that one. My husband is Mexican and has not once but twice (times he has told me) has a white person flex superiority on him. One of the most recent times was when we were in a Mexican restaurant and he was making a to go order. The pay line and the order line are the same. While he was telling the guy what he wanted a white female shoved her way in front of my husband. He described it as she seemed to have been use to doing that and getting away with it but also that was the first time he wanted to hit a woman. He also noted that as he looked her dead in the face she had the nerve to act scared.

Another thing I want to note on you post is you assume most blacks are democrat. From what I have been noticing lately you are assuming wrong. You also assume wrong if you believe republicans are out to help the blacks any more than democrats.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 05:36:41 Sharina

@ a proud Black conservative
“I know you will all call him a ‘house nigger’ (or an aunt Jemima in my case), but I urge all of you to read up on some Thomas Sowell.”—First of all I do that approve of the use of “n**ger. Any real black person would not.

Secondly, what grown man refers to himself in third person? You have officially become suspect.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 05:40:37 americanasanguine

This is my first time posting but I have been lurking for awhile. Inconvenient Truth is actually one of the lamest racist posters I have ever seen. Even most of the “race realists” I have ran into can do better than “science” from the 1800’s. What’s next? Spontaneous generation and bloodletting hemophiliacs?

Inconvenient Truth, I honestly suggest that you should go to your local community college to improve your “superior white mind”.

And “a proud Black conservative” pretty much posted the same typical list of stock cliches that abagond posted. Those same tired arguments are more predictable than weather forecasts. I am surprised he didn’t bring up the stereotype of the welfare queen driving a Cadillac.

And thank you abagond for this blog. I have really enjoyed it.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 05:40:42 Inconvenient Truth

******Ladies and gentleman TIME FOR MORE INCONVENIENT TRUTH******

Two words:

Simian prognathism (explained later)

@ Brotherwolf,

Stop quoting Abagond’s vain attempts to invalidate differences in skulls amongst the races.

Really? Are you actually trying to refute something that’s visible in PLAIN SIGHT!? As As I’ve said, look at the side view of most blacks (maybe even yourself!) and compare them to whites.

The fact is, differences in skulls between races have been corroborated by research even to this day.

The African skull is quite different from the Asian and Caucasian skulls, indicating a much greater genetic distance between Eurasians and Africans than between Europeans and Asians.

And then there’s “Simian prognathism” (a protruding jaw with a recessed nose)

This is a very primitive trait that is characteristic of apes. This feature is HIGHLY relevant in the evolution of mankind. We can see the progression of mankind by how far he has evoluted away from this ape-like skull.

In a comparison between the orangutan (the most primitive and thus most prognathistic) the black skull and the white skull.

When there is simian prognathism the jaw is long and narrow, as in the orangutan, and when the face is flat, as the white jaw is, the length is actually less than the width; as expected, the jaw on the typical black jaw is in between the jaw of the orangutan and the jaw of the white.

The point is black skulls are more prognathistic (ape-like) than whites.

Finally a comment made from Abagond. He said blacks had NO link to Neanderthals. That only whites have genetic links to Neanderthals. I was laughing hysterically when he said this as though it was a curse word against whites.

Yes, his statement is ABSOLUTELY TRUE. But Neanderthals had the LARGEST BRAIN OF ANY species of mankind, even man now!

In fact, they had brains that were 13% larger.

So yes, blacks have absolutely no genetic links to the form of man with the largest brains.

ZERO

Whites absolutely do!

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 05:46:43 Sharina

@ cleonette

Don’t feel bad. I do the same thing.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 05:47:48 SomeGuy

@ Inconvenient Truth

The Sperm Whale has the largest brain. Is it the smartest animal? No. A Large brain means nothing. Neuron density and Neo-cortex size is more relevant.

Go take some science classes, man. Stop embarrassing yourself.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 06:02:45 SomeGuy

Excess neurons are those said to be available for intelligent adjustment to the environment over and above those needed “for transmitting impulses to and from the integrative centers”

Kenya: 8,400
African American: 8,700
European American: 8,500
England: 8,600
France: 8,600

source: How “Caucasoids” got such big craniums and why they shrank. – Current Anthropology Volume42, Number 1, February 2001
q2001 by The Wenner-Gren Foundation for Anthropological Research.

Ironically enough, this information was collected by Rushton himself.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 06:03:28 americanasanguine

@ Inconvenient Truth

Please go to your local community college and take a few courses in Biology, Logic, Anthropology, History and a few statistics classes if they are not too heavy for you and then get back to us. A few visits to mental health services may also be in order.

@ dave

abagond is clearly talking about white racists. Not all whites. If you are not racists then you shouldn’t get offended and these things would no apply to you. Or are you having issues which abagond identified on this entry https://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/the-not-all-whites-argument/

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 06:03:35 sam

@duckduckfools:

“@Sam The statistics of Russia??? You gotta be jokin!!!!

Not at all. Most communist countries have low crime rates. Russia’s homicide rate spiked after the Soviet Union collapsed and now its returning to normal. If you’ll notice their former republics also have fairly low crimes rates.”

First of all, go to any former communist east european country and call them communists. See what happens. For your info: the communist east Europe collapsed 20 yrs ago so I think you should get a new clock or something.

I don’t know where you live etc. but as an european, I guarantee you that any statistics coming from certain countries should be dealt with very much caution. Greece is a prime example. The forged their whole national budget years ago just get into the euro zone. Yes, they made a fake budget for the whole state, a nation, in order to gain the admission, which they did despite their real budget being down the tubes. Well, actually, nobody knew since there was no realiable data in Greece until very recently. And by the way, greeks see themselves as whites too.

As for dropping homicide rate, like one vory veteran of the great gangster wars of early 1990’s said openly in an documentary interview: “We used to be called criminals, I was personally accused of trying to kill Jeltsin, but now we are all businesmen.” He lives now in southern France, tending his businesses (what ever they are) and tending the issues of the local russian colony. He has built couple russian orthodox churches and is known for his charity. He also has star tattoos on his kneees signifing that this is a man who does not kneel down for no one (traditional vory tattoo).

If you go to certain areas in Tallinn, Estonia, you will see that perhaps there is some crime left after all. You go to Narva and certain areas there, you will see behind the official statistics. In Riga, Latvia, they used to have very serious crime problem untill recent years, even on the streets, and still do not know how far and wide the local crime syndicates influence spreads. Lithuania has its own problems. All Baltic states are known for drug trafficiking, organised pickpockets and thieves, prostitution, and human smuggling to the western Europe and their neighbouring countries. Estonia has alaraming HIV problem, officially under the carpet, some 70-80% of its prostitutes carrying the virus. As for Latvia and Lithuania, no one knows, because there are no realiable official statistics. And all Baltic states have very few blacks, as you may know.

Poland has the most severe football hooliganism problem in whole Europe today. It also has very strong local organised criminals, major drug problem, and heavy presence of ukranian and russian organised crime.

Tsek Republic has its own criminals, but had very heavy russian and ukranian organised crime presence in certain areas of economy, both illegal and legal. Night clubs are very much organised crime busines. Prostitution is wide spread and controlled by organised criminals. Also child prostitution is a big business in Tsek Republic.

Ukraine was actually run by orgaised crime since the collapse of the old Soviet Union. First president was actuall one of the leaders of organised crime in that country which made the protesters and opposition calle their very own country as a mafia state. That was not political rethorics. That was a fact. That is why so many journalists were murdered etc. What is the situation now? We do not know, but Yulia Timoshenko is in prison and fears for her life.

Belo-Russia still lives under the old system and diktator, so no one really knows. It is suspected that many criminals harbor there if they pay enough for the gorvernment. Some incidentd suggests that Belo-Russia is one country where cyber crime is launched from.

Romania was actually controlled by the former members of the brutal communist regime after the fall of communism. They just picked up new slogans, killed the former dictator without any real open trial or investigation, and took over. It still is by large. They are the real local organised crime, a fact which many outsiders do not seem to get.

In Bulgaria, the former secret service was actually working hand in hand with the sicilian mafia for decades. Bulgarian cops, military and secret police provided safe routes, logistical assistance and even men for the international drug smuggling. This was called as the Balkan route by US officials. It was the one behind the sicilian Pizza link, which brought few tons of heroin into the USA back in 1970’s-80’s. Bulgarians were also assisting turkish Babas and their criminal organisations.

When communism collapsed, many former secret service agents and men turned into out right criminals and/or joined known criminal gangs and organisations. It is well known that bulgarian gangsters are controlling the drug smuggling in and out of their country, trafficking of women, prostitution etc. Bulgarian organised crime has murdered journalists, cops, even people in the churches. Official statistics?

Former Yugoslavia was well known in Nordic countries and in Germany of its criminals. Sometimes know as yugomafia it imported a wide range of criminals who formed a loose network of crime from Yugoslavia all the way up to Sweden. It still excists. Serbia has very powerful and strong organised crime groups, some of whom where behind Slobodan Milosevich. Google a guy called Arkan and you get the picture what was going on. What is going on now, we can only guess.

Albanian ja kosovan crime groups are one of the most feared and strongest in Europe. They are known as clans or families and very often are such. They have tradtional vendetta just like in Sicily, they are very violent, highly intelligent and even over there in USA. As for the statistics of Albania, I do not know if anyone can verify any of them.

And as for the dropping crime rate: Sicily. After the mega trials, arrests of Toto Riina and his cohorts, crime rates have officially dropped. Murder rates have blunged down. But is mafia gone? Is there any more crime or criminals in Sicily? Go and find out. Just be pretty careful.

You understand what I try to convey, what I am saying? There is crime and criminaliy everywhere. If you ty to make a statement that blacks are more prone to crime while denying the social context of that, you are a liar. It is not the black skin, it is the poverty and despair.

Mexico? Have you seen the recent statistics, my correction, estimates? And are you telling me that mexicans are blacks?

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 06:07:13 dave

ok *dave gives brothawolf handshake* if you accept it.

Guess what I have my own carpet cleaning business that is struggling . That means I do most of the work my self and some of my “employers” customers are black. Most of them are nice , not all , but most are nicer on average then my white customers especially my residential customers. Commercial customers are more difficult because they are usually property managers and not owners.

When I have conversations about race on here from my perspective I am not talking about those “regular” people. but I feel some of these discussions lump all white people in one basket. I have felt recently at some customers houses after the Treyvon case went national that some of the customers kids felt uncomfortable around me. Like I am a larger man, but I really am a softy. I would never hurt anyone.

By the way this was two or three times at the most, so don’t think I feel that way all the time. With that said I think we have something in common there………..You don’t want all black people to suffer for the crimes of a few and I don’t want my kids to be profiled for the reverse reasons.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 06:08:24 SomeGuy

Thank you for your insight sam. Much appreciated.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 06:18:48 anonymous

@duckduckgoofs and dodo

About your comments. I have talked to individuals from those countries and did some research, and there are some major problems with crime. I will take your comment into consideration, and review some data related to it. Took a look at the link you provided, thanks. It seems that for a lot of Eastern European countries after the fall of the Soviet Union there was an increase in violence, prostitution, kidnapping, trafficking of women, mafia activities, street children, and violent street gangs. I know that after the death of Nicolae Ceaușescu, there was absolute chaos in Romania. Some friends of mine were in Romania for an extended period of time, and when the government fell they barely got out alive. I have also spoken with people from Russia, The Ukraine, Bosnia. and Serbia. Could it be in some cases stricter law codes, changes in the legal system, and/or the economies of these countries getting better?

In the case where I spoke with someone from the Ukraine, I was told that they would never take their child over for a family visit due to kidnapping fears, with the child being from the West, and that it was not as safe to go for a visit as it used to be. I did some research on these countries pertaining to crime as well. I have spoken with individuals from Russia, and from what I could gather in terms of research, and conversations, Russia is undergoing tremendous change. I know for awhile the Mafia controlled quite a few things in the country, and carried a lot of weight, even in the political arena. There is also a rise in Neo Nazi type groups, and attacks on individuals they deem as outsiders. If I remember correctly, Russia is dealing with a problem with alcoholism, and drug abuse. So its off to google, epsco host, and so forth I go.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 06:22:33 brothawolf

Inconvenient truth,

You said,

“Stop quoting Abagond’s vain attempts to invalidate differences in skulls amongst the races.”

I’ll do that if you stop using ancient research to validate differences in skulls among races. Seriously, using research that old and outdated doesn’t back up your argument, not by a long shot.

“Really? Are you actually trying to refute something that’s visible in PLAIN SIGHT!? As As I’ve said, look at the side view of most blacks (maybe even yourself!) and compare them to whites.

The fact is, differences in skulls between races have been corroborated by research even to this day.

The African skull is quite different from the Asian and Caucasian skulls, indicating a much greater genetic distance between Eurasians and Africans than between Europeans and Asians.”

First off, who still believes this dribble today (who isn’t a race realist)? And second, appearances in skulls matter about as much as why some bears are black and others are brown.

“And then there’s “Simian prognathism” (a protruding jaw with a recessed nose)

This is a very primitive trait that is characteristic of apes. This feature is HIGHLY relevant in the evolution of mankind. We can see the progression of mankind by how far he has evoluted away from this ape-like skull.

In a comparison between the orangutan (the most primitive and thus most prognathistic) the black skull and the white skull.

When there is simian prognathism the jaw is long and narrow, as in the orangutan, and when the face is flat, as the white jaw is, the length is actually less than the width; as expected, the jaw on the typical black jaw is in between the jaw of the orangutan and the jaw of the white.

The point is black skulls are more prognathistic (ape-like) than whites.”

Where do you get this information? Seriously? This is something I’d expect to hear from someone from the 1700 to 1800s.

“Finally a comment made from Abagond. He said blacks had NO link to Neanderthals. That only whites have genetic links to Neanderthals. I was laughing hysterically when he said this as though it was a curse word against whites.

Yes, his statement is ABSOLUTELY TRUE. But Neanderthals had the LARGEST BRAIN OF ANY species of mankind, even man now!

In fact, they had brains that were 13% larger.

So yes, blacks have absolutely no genetic links to the form of man with the largest brains.

ZERO

Whites absolutely do!”

Sooooooo, what you’re saying is that larger brains mean more intelligence?

Sighs!

Inconvenient truth, I asked this to another commenter, and I expect honest answers:

Have you considered for one moment that you were brainwashed into believing in genetic differences, black crime rates, and how blacks are similar to monkeys? What makes your “truth” more important than anyone else? What makes your “truth” the only truth you would accept?

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 06:24:18 brothawolf

Dave,

I’ll “shake your hand” when it genuinely appears that you’re understanding other points of view and not just those of people who look like you.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 06:28:08 Inconvenient Truth

***********Are blacks less intelligent? The Nail in the Coffin******

Pay special attention on point number 4. -Brain size differences.

1. The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

2. Race Differences are Most Pronounced on Tests that Best Measure the General Intelligence Factor (g). Black-White differences, for example, are larger on the Backward Digit Span test than on the less g loaded Forward Digit Span test.

3. The Gene-Environment Architecture of IQ is the Same in all Races, and Race Differences are Most Pronounced on More Heritable Abilities. Studies of Black, White, and East Asian twins, for example, show the heritability of IQ is 50% or higher in all races.

4. Brain Size Differences. Studies using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) find a correlation of brain size with IQ of about 0.40. Larger brains contain more neurons and synapses and process information faster. Race differences in brain size are present at birth. By adulthood, East Asians average 1 cubic inch more cranial capacity than Whites who average 5 cubic inches more than Blacks.

5. Trans-Racial Adoption Studies. Race differences in IQ remain following adoption by White middle class parents. East Asians grow to average higher IQs than Whites while Blacks score lower. The Minnesota Trans-Racial Adoption Study followed children to age 17 and found race differences were even greater than at age 7: White children, 106; Mixed-Race children, 99; and Black children, 89.

6. Racial Admixture Studies. Black children with lighter skin, for example, average higher IQ scores. In South Africa, the IQ of the mixed-race “Colored” population averages 85, intermediate to the African 70 and White 100.

7. IQ Scores of Blacks and Whites Regress toward the Averages of Their Race. Parents pass on only some exceptional genes to offspring so parents with very high IQs tend to have more average children. Black and White children with parents of IQ 115 move to different averages–Blacks toward 85 and Whites to 100.

8. Race Differences in Other “Life-History” Traits. East Asians and Blacks consistently fall at two ends of a continuum with Whites intermediate on 60 measures of maturation, personality, reproduction, and social organization. For example, Black children sit, crawl, walk, and put on their clothes earlier than Whites or East Asians.

9. Race Differences and the Out-of-Africa theory of Human Origins. East Asian-White-Black differences fit the theory that modern humans arose in Africa about 100,000 years ago and expanded northward. During prolonged winters there was evolutionary selection for higher IQ created by problems of raising children, gathering and storing food, gaining shelter, and making clothes.

10. Do Culture-Only Theories Explain the Data? Culture-only theories do not explain the highly consistent pattern of race differences in IQ, especially the East Asian data. No interventions such as ending segregation, introducing school busing, or “Head Start” programs have reduced the gaps as culture-only theory would predict.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 06:33:20 abagond

@ Inconvenient Truth

IQ scores! There you go, I knew you could do it!

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 06:41:40 abagond

@ Inconvenient Truth

“******Ladies and gentleman TIME FOR MORE INCONVENIENT TRUTH******”

So who is the gentleman?

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 06:46:40 sam

@abagond: 😀

I think this guy must be a teenager or seriously un educated fellow. Amazingly childish stuff, even for a racist. Skull measurements? Brain sizes? I mean, really. This guy is straight out of some comedy sketch.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 06:54:12 abagond

@ Inconvenient Truth

“Juxtapose a black face and white by looking at them both from the side. The black actually resembles a monkey. When honest, blacks themselves readily admit this.”

Wow, you are so good at this: Only take black people seriously when they say something bad about black people:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/10/29/the-five-rules-of-racial-standing/

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 07:00:22 abagond

@ Sam

I thought he was just an attention whore or Bliff’s little brother, but it takes more than passing interest to know about simian prognathism. Though one wonders how he could have found out about it and NOT know it is out-of-date science.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 07:05:07 Inconvenient Truth

Ok I’ve used up too much of my time on this blog.

I easily thwarted any logical resistance to the unequivocal fact that blacks are more primitive and less intelligent.

Indeed, everything is simple once you have intellectual honesty and accept

the Inconvenient Truth…

I’ll return in days to come.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 07:07:20 abagond

@ Inconvenient Truth

“2. Race Differences are Most Pronounced on Tests that Best Measure the General Intelligence Factor (g). Black-White differences, for example, are larger on the Backward Digit Span test than on the less g loaded Forward Digit Span test.”

My school sent me to a psychologist to test my intelligence. The question I most remember was in a g-loaded part. It showed a suburban house and I had to say what was missing. Good show!

I also remember the part where I had to repeat numbers backwards. I thought it was moronic. Little did I know that the fate of 40 million people hung on my answer.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 07:08:41 Parfum Bleu

Awww, you beat me to it, americanasanguine!

I was going to recommend that Inconvenient should at least take a course in physical anthropology & human variation…crack open a library book, or something … before embarrassing himself any further.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 07:16:11 SomeGuy

Ok I’ve used up too much of my time on this blog.

I easily thwarted any logical resistance to the unequivocal fact that blacks are more primitive and less intelligent.

Indeed, everything is simple once you have intellectual honesty and accept

the Inconvenient Truth…

I’ll return in days to come.

Great. A good specimen is hard to find. We wouldn’t want to lose you.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 07:19:25 Parfum Bleu

Inconvenient Truth wrote: “I easily thwarted any logical resistance to the unequivocal fact that blacks are more primitive and less intelligent.”

LOL! Did you think by posting that convenient lie that you’ll trick lurkers into believing you didn’t slither away from here red-faced with shame?!.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 07:19:52 americanasanguine

Well my own IQ has been measured to be roughly 145. That has been pretty much consistent my entire life. I have also scored in the 99% in math and science on standardized tests my entire life. That being said, I don’t know too many people who put much stock in such tests. Inconvenient, if you are such a brilliant Caucasoidal man what have you did with your intelligence? I actually know tons of smart people of all races including smart white people. (To make a play on a cliche, some of my best friends are smart white people.) Quite a few of the really smart people that I know use it to make money. (I know several people who are the CFOs of Fortune 500 companies.) I know other smart people that use their skills to better society as doctors or researchers. In reality though, a terribly high IQ is not necessary for success. Most business owners and doctors don’t have substantially higher IQs. Not everyone I know who is high IQ is necessarily an academic (and anyone who has spent even a semester in college would know that) and they are perfectly fine with that. I don’t believe education = intelligence. Yet none of the above people are quoting studies from the 19th century in blogs. Please tell me what you have achieved with your white brilliance Inconvenient.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 07:25:50 cleonette

They don’t know the difference between science and psuedo-science nor facts and theories. I question people who still believe that whites have fair skin because of cold weather. If that was so, why are Inuits or Eskimos so tan? Why do polar bears have black skin? Just theories I wonder about….

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 07:26:59 americanasanguine

@ Parfum Bleu

I would love to be a fly on the wall while he preaches to a professor of anthropology at his local community college about his crackpot theories.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 07:40:32 Parfum Bleu

It would certainly be good for a laugh, americanasanguine. We would have to wait for him to get through high school first though!

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 07:41:17 cleonette

@ americana

OMG me too! I would pay admission. The public school system might even make him a mockery. lol

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 07:47:40 dave

as far as black crime stats. I know most black people aren’t running around looking to kill people. But neither are white people doing that or going around molesting kids like a free for all. The latter has been discussed on this blog without the anger of the majority.

In fact I thought some of the commenters feel like most white men are like that, but no one puts them in check. That has been some of the things that made my tea kettle over flow here. Right now I am calm, but some of my more “colorful” comments have been a “response” to what I perceived as blind hate.

I now realize after talking to ace that the comments I’m responding to may have also been an angry response from what they have come across with racist whites. So they make some colorful comments to insult “them” not all white people and I think that’s where I have gone wrong here in recognizing that these commenters are also resoponding to white racists and not all white people. Maybe it took awhile to get through my skull.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 07:53:17 satanforce

I just skimmed through the 116 comments above and I’m like “really!!” Jesus Christ people its the weekend. Don’t spend it feeding trolls and losers dammit!!!

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 08:09:07 cleonette

Dave, I seriously doubt anyone seriously believe all whites are evil. All of us pretty much live in diverse areas, have diverse friendships and other relationships. Families are diverse as well. There are good people, bad people, and good people who make bad decisions. You see the way certain people come here and their whole purpose is to prove how black skin automatically makes you bad. It’s frustrating and we have a right to say its wrong to think that way without being laughably labeled racist. If you don’t feel that way, we are not talking about you, so please don’t get defensive. It helps to put yourself in someone’s shoes first.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 08:16:39 dave

@cleonette I’ll try that from now on. I can’t promise that I will never give a white point of view at times, but I will try to be more respectful about it. Thank you for being cool about it.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 08:21:33 americanasanguine

@ Parfeum Bleu and Clonette

True, he would have to get through his GED before he could take the basic freshmen 101 courses that he so desperately needs. I am not sure if his IQ that he makes such a big deal about is up to the task.

@ dave

Even though I have lurked I don’t really know you well enough to know how you generally blog. But if I am to take your post at face value and not insinuate any sarcasm or snark from it I would say congratulations on your realization. I am new to this particular blog but I am a veteran at blogs in general. Remember that blogging is a way for people to vent legitimate grievances and venting may or may not be consistent with your world view or be sensitive to your feelings. This does not invalidate what is being said. There is no reason to be defensive if it truly doesn’t apply to you. I know there are other white people on this blog (sam, Mia, B R and others) and I have never seen them get defensive.

@ satanforce

You are correct. At the same time it is fun to mess with them.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 08:26:54 brothawolf

Ok I’ve used up too much of my time on this blog.

I easily thwarted any logical resistance to the unequivocal fact that blacks are more primitive and less intelligent.

Indeed, everything is simple once you have intellectual honesty and accept

the Inconvenient Truth…

I’ll return in days to come.

No comment…

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 08:32:56 americanasanguine

@ dave

Do you think you may be projecting what you have seen white supremacist behavior (I would like to clarify and reiterate that I am not calling YOU a racist or supremacist) onto black people? A good proportion of whites (and I did not say racist whites) do not interact that much with black people. Most of my white associates had very limited interaction with black people until they were adults. If you are white and you truly want to limit your contact with blacks you can do so.

Black people do not have that luxury. If you want an education or a good job you will interact with a diverse group of people. Black Americans consume the same media that white Americans also consume and that portrays whites as individuals. Many of us have to get along with whites to function and it’s not uncommon to have white family members, friends, or lovers. It would be very difficult for most black people to view all whites in a monolithic way.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 08:47:05 cleonette

Dave, I understand. I know it would feel horrible to be placed in a category with the likes of some of these bloggers on here like duck, doug, inconvenient, etc. At least now you know how we feel when they come to this blog attacking, everything about black people and trying to prove how horrible our skin is. When I am ignorant about a subject, I just sit back and listen until I learn. After that I seek knowledge on my own. I don’t use a lot of stats because they lack content. Life is way more than just black and white.

My instructor gave us this analogy once. A group of blind men were in a lab. They were told they were going to learn about frogs. The men sat at the table with the frogs on top. The men scared the frogs away. One frog spilled a box of pencils in his escape. The blind men picked up the pencils and examined them. The instructor returned to the room and asked them what they thought about the frogs. They said the frogs were long, hard, and pointy on the end. The instructor told them they were wrong, but they insisted.

That is how some of these “race realist” are. They are blind, ignorant, and take all the negative information about black people at face value. They are like the blind men arguing with the instructor that a pencil is a frog.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 08:51:37 dave

@americanasanguine Yes but some of the younger blacks on here may make the same mistake as me in reverse and take comments directed at white racists for all white people and have a seed of hatred planted. Would that happen with most people…….no. But it could happen to some. So maybe more clarification is needed when you vent about “white supremacy” or “white racists”

I know I’m reaching here, all in all abagond is a respectful dude. and I don’t think he is trying to spread hatred. Am I saying he has to start singing around a camp fire for hands across america. NO. this blog would then be very boring. Maybe some unity at times is needed though.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 09:04:10 cleonette

What exactly do you mean by unity?

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 09:13:08 americanasanguine

@ dave

I am very new here but I am glad that you take the time to at least listen. I am familiar with Chester PA and there would be a much different discourse of race relations if people would just take the time to listen. I can assure you that abagond doesn’t want this to be a us vs. them discussion and neither do the vast majority of black people. You seem like a nice guy and I would encourage you to continue to listen without getting too defensive about situations. I understand that sometimes blogging can get very heated.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 09:13:51 dave

Like I said I’m reaching you probably aren’t going to find much unity with the haters here. Buy maybe every once in a while try. I know people have and it must be exhausting, but like the prodigal son maybe some of them would come home.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 09:17:57 americanasanguine

@ dave

The only hater I have seen on this particular thread so far is Inconvenient Truth who seems to have been laughed out of the room for being so ridiculous. Can you point to any particular haters?

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 09:21:58 Inconvenient Truth

I’m sorry, I just have to respond to some of the idiocy here.

@ SomeGuy

WOW YOU ARE REALLY OBTUSE aren’t you?

Here’s your logic:

You say sperm whales have the largest brains so therefore brain size is not important.

It’s AMAZING how feeble your critical thinking skills are. You tell me to go to college ha ha me?!

OH MY GOD, LOOK AT YOU!!

No, your problem is not just a lack of education, clearly you are about as sharp as a bowling ball.

When we compare brain size (obviously) we are comparing brain sizes WITHIN HUMANS.

The size of whale brains vs humans are OBVIOUSLY IRRELEVANT because the anatomy and physiology of their brains are COMPLETELY unrelated to humans!! A whale brain is a WHALE BRAIN, while a human brain is a HUMAN BRAIN!

CAN’T YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND THIS!?

Yes, people are correct here in saying I might pop a capillary dealing with these (biting my tongue) ‘people.’

I’m just shocked at how hollow minded these people are!

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 09:27:16 americanasanguine

Speak of the devil.

@ Inconvenient Truth

What have you been able to accomplish with your particular superior white mind?

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 09:29:22 americanasanguine

And nice use of question and exclamation marks at the same time. Everyone I know, both negro and Caucasoid, is such a fool compared to your incredible intelligence.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 09:45:44 americanasanguine

“CAN’T YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND THIS!?”

@ Inconvenient Truth

I don’t think I can. Using all capital letters, ending a statement with “!?” and an abominable and contradictory abuse of the apostrophe would have landed me in hot water. My 7th grade English teacher would have set me straight on this. But I thought it was only lowly, ape-like black people with their primitive “ebonics” that ever mess the English language up? Surely a superior white person such as yourself is incapable of doing such a thing.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 09:51:23 abagond

@ Inconvenient

Talking down to SomeGuy. Another point! Wow, you’re good.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 10:04:01 Inconvenient Truth

@ americanasanguine

Americana, I can assure you that while your unfounded ego is immeasurably beyond mine, my education (and more importantly critical thinking skills) VASTLY exceeds yours..

(I haven’t read anything AT ALL pithy or insightful from you; just your cheap backseat commentary of me and your self-congratulatory comments. It’s reasonable to deduce your education to be around high school level. I’m sure I’ll soon hear stories of your “world-class post grad” education which would be hilarious tripe)

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 10:05:19 abagond

@ Inconvenient

“When we compare brain size (obviously) we are comparing brain sizes WITHIN HUMANS.”

Oh wow, I get it: So like men have more intelligence than women! Cool.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 10:16:33 abagond

@ Inconvenient

While you have been kind enough to prove that I was not just imagining stuff when I wrote my post, and I thank you for that, you need to step up your game and lose the outdated science. It is embarrassing. There are plenty of new scientific papers and findings out there to cherry pick from and misinterpret. There are whole blogs devoted to it. I list some of them here:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/12/29/hbd/

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 10:19:23 americanasanguine

@ Inconvenient Truth

There is nothing insightful to say when someone does such a great job of making a fool of themselves as you do. I have already stated that I do no believe that education is equal to intelligence but because you believe you have such an amazing Caucasian mind I wonder what you have did with it. Like I said, some of my best friends are smart white people (and black people and others too, but you seem to be focused on white intelligence so I will just limit myself to the smart white people for now), and they generally have something to show for it. Please tell me what you have accomplished with a brilliant Caucasian brain such as yourself. I am not here to toot my own horn or that of anyone I know but you seem to be especially impressed with yourself. Tell me wise one of your superior intellect and reasoning abilities.

Normally I don’t even harp at typos and but your continual use of punctuation and capitalization has convinced me that you are a unsung savant. You didn’t have one grammatically correct sentence in your last post so that must be a sign of brilliance. Why has your genius gone unrecognized all this time?

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 10:35:31 Inconvenient Truth

@ americanasanguine

Oh no…

You’ve just shot yourself down and transpired your weak critical thinking skills.

These are posts on a blog. It is certainly NOT a formal colloquy or a disquisition.

The rules of writing are obviously relaxed in blogs, just as the rules of educated speech are relaxed and replaced with colloquialisms at informal meetings. How tough is that to understand!?

You really can’t grasp the use of caps and superfluous exclamation marks to show heightened emotion!?

I’m shocked at how parochial and underdeveloped your reasoning is.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 10:42:16 Ace

Dave,

My intent was not to “beat” you. I don’t sit here waiting for white people to come online so that I can bite their heads off.

The fact of the matter is that we aren’t against white people because they are “white and have different beliefs”. Racists with “different beliefs” (many which mirror the examples above) have the power to ruin our lives, set us back economically, or even get us killed. Look at Inconvenient Truth for example. Imagine if he had a say over where we rented, or our health care? Imagine if he had a say over our employment or was in charge of our safety? Now…imagine if he was the one who had a say over college admissions?

When we discuss this, often we are met with the examples Abagond has presented above, or comments from people like Inconvenient Truth. They insist they know us and our motivations better than we do, only because we aren’t white and therefore aren’t worthy of their consideration, let alone respect. I don’t think there’s anyone here who doesn’t value the freedom (that includes the freedom to be who you are) to speak your mind. But with that freedom comes the responsibility to not abuse it. Racists abuse their freedoms to get away with destroying the freedoms of others.

I am not black, but even I don’t like being told how to deal with the inequality I deal with for being a PoC and a member of the LGTBQ community. You seem to understand that labeling us as people who hate whites because we do not like what racists have said or done here (or in the offline world) is problematic, because it dismisses our real concerns in favor of straw-men and just takes us in circles. If you don’t want to be labeled with people like Bliff and Doug, I’d recommend doing your best to understand and listen to what we’re saying about these experiences.

@ Inconvenient Truth,

So…where’s that special black people education you have which qualifies you to speak on their potential or intelligence?

You know what? Keep talking. Maybe you’ll say all of the things in this blog post and I can draw up a bingo card.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 10:44:08 americanasanguine

LMAO. Nice defense of: “It’s just a blog! So if I speak in ‘OMG did u c dat!??!?!?!!!!’ it’s all OK because I still have SUPERIOR CAUCASIAN INTELLECT and IQ. Heck, i gotz studies from 1834 4real!!!?!?!?!?!?!!!!?!?!!!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!??!?!?!?!?!”

Emotion? I thought negroes were supposed to have the “heightened emotion”. Caucasians are supposed to be the calm, cool, and collected ones. As you said, it’s just a blog, so why the emotional investment?

And for the billionth time, please tell me evidence of your Caucasian brilliance. Like I said, I don’t care if you have any advanced degrees necessarily but have you started any businesses? Do you have any works of art or music? And yes, there are multiple forms of intelligence.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 10:59:37 Inconvenient Truth

@ americanasanguine

You just wrote:

“…I have already stated that I do no believe that education is equal to intelligence…”

You do “no” believe?

Oops!!

See, I can get pedantic VERY quick and start listing your flaws like this one as well as your misuse of punctuation, run-on sentences, etc..,

If need be, I can proactively tighten up my writing then scrutinize and deconstruct EVERY part of yours. Believe me I will!

You DON’T want that so drop the pettiness!

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 11:05:03 abagond

No grammar wars, please. People of all races make mistakes in English in comments all the time. Some extremely intelligent people have bad spelling, while some of the most brainless comments on this blog were written in perfect university-level English. For some commenters English is a second language. And so on.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 11:15:41 americanasanguine

@ abagond

Ok, That is fair. There is plenty of other material.

@ Inconvenient Truth

So please tell me about your amazing Caucasian accomplishments in life. You should either be rich or working in research from what I gather from your preponderance of intelligence. You have failed to answer this question for me several times.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 11:19:30 abagond

@ Americana

Inconvenient can answer if he wishes but no one should feel compelled to answer personal questions in a public forum.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 11:34:39 americanasanguine

@ abagond

You are right again abagond. Which makes the idea of anyone taking his assertions at face value even more absurd.

On a more serious note, I have found everything in your OP to have manifested itself in some form in my life. I am 26-years-old and went to a predominantly white, upper middle class private, all girl school. I remember the girls being able to spout off this sort of rhetoric by rote as early as the fourth grade. Many of these girls had “yuppie” parents and I am sure that is where they learned it from. One girl gave her 8th grade speech on “The Bell Curve”. I find it disturbing how young many children are indoctrinated in this and I do believe that it is completely deliberate. There is little variation between person to person on what is preached.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 11:38:28 Inconvenient Truth

@ Abagond

We have to get YOU informed!

You can’t keep shouting to your readers how all comparative anatomy studies pointing out blacks features as primitive, are all unfounded and outdated.

You’re spreading NONSENSE and it’s not right!

While the theories of craniometry, paleoanthropology, anthropometry, etc.., of the 1800s and early 1900s were by no means perfect, modern thinking came from it and it now certainly substantiates blacks as most primitive.

There are indeed differences in bone density, our skulls have less resemblance to apes on a very real gradient depending on race, etc..,

Make no mistake, each race has a different evolutionary status.

I will write at length about it in a few days.

But right now I’m dying in exhaustion from relaxing my rules and replying all night!

******GOODNIGHT/MORNING!*********

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 12:07:20 sam

@abagond:

“My school sent me to a psychologist to test my intelligence. The question I most remember was in a g-loaded part. It showed a suburban house and I had to say what was missing. Good show!

I also remember the part where I had to repeat numbers backwards. I thought it was moronic. Little did I know that the fate of 40 million people hung on my answer.”

A good friend of mine never finished high school, he was studied by child psychiatrist who did IQ tests on him and announced that this kid is seriously under the norm and recommended special care, she also stated that future is so bleak that this kid will end up in jail unless he gets special education. He never did and quit the whole program when he had the first chance.

Today that child psychiatric is searching bargains from the frozen food sections in local mall as a pensioner and other sale offerings, and that kid is a millionaire who does busines from Seattle to Berlin and is one of the very few european specialists in his field.

So much so for the IQ tests.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 12:10:05 sam

@inconviniet:

Perhaps you should quit if this is so hard. I mean you have to fight not only all these black people but also whites like me, who have studied and learned something. And also the international science community which knows that there is only one biological human race around.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 12:16:30 cleonette

Inconvenient, would be like that man who died ‘again’ after learning he received CPR/mouth-to-mouth from a black person. He’s a lost cause.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 12:40:40 Jared

@ sam:I seriously doubt that France and Germany would put their futures at risk without first investigating weather the Greek economy was up to par

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 13:41:24 wilson

Inconvenient Truth is a proper unabashed racist. Abagonds observation as evidenced in his articles is top notch for him to be able to dissect them down to a T such that we can see them function just as described.

Amazing.

Inconvenient Truth, I assume as a white supremacist you are better than the best black person that exists in the world or has ever existed or will ever exist. That means you can do anything and be anything. Amazing!

Does the real life facts show this kind sir? Are you richer than the richest black person? Are you more intelligent than the most intelligent black person? I mean society is designed in such a way as to favor those like you so with that extra boost combined with your natural “Godliness” you should be light years ahead.

I only ask this since you are a supremacist and you are obviously this way since your life has proved to you, you are just a God amongst mere mortals. You deserve to be treated as such especially in the eyes of lesser races. Isn’t that what you want deep down? Isn’t this, the inconvenient truth that you hold so close to heart?

Should I call you Master? I mean since clearly you are just better, you know like a ferrari to a beatdown VW beetle if that. Maybe a super sonic jet to like a bicycle.

Lastly and this is on a serious note, since you are on such a level that we can’t even fathom from the depths of depravity that is our blackness, can you please describe in your own words, if made president of the world and given the right to do whatever you want with no resistance, how will you construct society with all you know about race.

Thank you in advance, your lordliness, your radiance illuminates me.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 13:49:51 cleonette

“Lastly and this is on a serious note, since you are on such a level that we can’t even fathom from the depths of depravity that is our blackness, can you please describe in your own words, if made president of the world and given the right to do whatever you want with no resistance, how will you construct society with all you know about race.”

I can’t wait for this answer! I’m trembling from my toes to my little primate brain! lol

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 13:58:34 truthbetold

Glad I left this post last night.
Too much energy wasted on white racists.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 14:09:11 wilson

@ Cleonette,

We can only hope that our primitive brains can comprehend what he says if he chooses to answer. 🙂

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 15:39:54 Bell

@ a proud Black conservative

“Wow. Where to begin. I stumbled across this blog just browsing around the internet. I have to ask the question, do you all realize that you are as racist and discriminatory as the ‘white’ people you claim are so ‘evil’ and ‘immoral’? Wow, you just did exactly what ‘they’ did to ‘us’ (us black people that is) in the past. Congratulations! Now you are the racists!!!

It might surprise that many of the things that white people ‘know’ about black people happen to be true, No, not the genetically, physically inferior stuff because I’m in agreement that is all just junk science for the real racists. I’m talking about the ones about how they are brainwashed by their leaders (Sharpton, Jackson anyone?) and how blacks do live in the past.

Black people are absolutely stuck in the past. No living black person has ever been a slave and no white person alive today has ever owned a slave. So why are you all still blaming slavery for your failures and white people’s success? How about you stop blaming other people and get up go to school and work your behinds off to make something of yourselves. I look at it like this: my slave ancestors helped build this country and I’ll be damned if I don’t honor their pain and humiliation by not working my butt off to make something of myself and partake in the fruits that they were forced to produce. Stop blaming slavery, it is over! *Note: this is not to say we should’t study the history of it thoroughly. As a history major I believe we must learn our history to better appreciate their suffering and make sure we don’t let it happen again……………………………………”

Ummmmmmmmm, I can sense the presence of a white ************ disguised as a black person on this blog!!

Or should i say; perhaps, he/she sees things through rose-coloured glasses or he/she doesn’t live on planet EARTH!

_ sam

@duckduckfools:

“@Sam The statistics of Russia??? You gotta be jokin!!!!

You understand what I try to convey, what I am saying? There is crime and criminaliy everywhere. If you try to make a statement that blacks are more prone to crime while denying the social context of that, you are a liar. It is not the black skin, it is the poverty and despair.

Mexico? Have you seen the recent statistics, my correction, estimates? And are you telling me that mexicans are blacks?”

Excellent recital Sam!

“There is crime and criminaliy everywhere”

Noooooooooo, are you joking? Those are things that pertain to Blacks and Blacks alone. Anything(Anybody) White= lawful, just, fair,correct, beautiful, intelligent, upright, smart; you name it!

Aaahhhhhhhhh,aaahhhhhha,ahhha,ah!

Joke apart.

They convey Black= criminality,negativity etc, as a conviction to disguise their true nature!
How sad!

That’s why they’re fond of manipulating the so-called statistics for their own good, pleasure and use them as an excuse to defend and continue with RACISM.

It’s Intellectually -dishonest and meanspirited .

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 16:23:39 SomeGuy

@ Inconvenient Truth

Wow you have some fairly sharp barbs in that biting post, guy. I think I may be mortally wounded! Medic! HAHAHA.

Let me respond to your little histrionics fit, eh?

You say sperm whales have the largest brains so therefore brain size is not important.

If you actually had competent reading comprehension skills, you’d clearly see that’s not solely what I stated. Taking people’s statements out of context…tsk, tsk. For shame!

I didn’t say brain size was not completely irrelevant when I wrote this follow up statement:
Neuron density and Neo-cortex size is more relevant.

But, of course, you’re merely covering up for me catching you off guard for saying something completely ridiculous without researching it first. I understand. You’re undereducated, so I’ll cut you a break, kid. But just this once. No more free rides!

When we compare brain size (obviously) we are comparing brain sizes WITHIN HUMANS.

Which brings me to my next point. I clearly followed up my post with a second post with sourced information to support my statement on neurons, which you conveniently ignored. But of course you wouldn’t respond. You’re merely a “cut-and-paste” scholar. Unfortunately, you are cutting from a 1947 World Book Encyclopedia. Did they find Hitler yet?? HAHA!

Here, I’ll reprint the info for you. I wouldn’t want you to do all that needless scrolling up:

START

Excess neurons are those said to be available for intelligent adjustment to the environment over and above those needed “for transmitting impulses to and from the integrative centers”

Kenya: 8,400
African American: 8,700
European American: 8,500
England: 8,600
France: 8,600

source: How “Caucasoids” got such big craniums and why they shrank. – Current Anthropology Volume42, Number 1, February 2001
q2001 by The Wenner-Gren Foundation for Anthropological Research.

Ironically enough, this information was collected by Rushton himself.

END

Yes, people are correct here in saying I might pop a capillary dealing with these (biting my tongue) ‘people.’

You’ve validated nearly every point Abagond made in his original post. Yes, nearly every single one with your highly embarrassing rants. Who is the stupid one, now? You saw what was written at the top of this page and yet you still, STILL, followed suit and voluntarily made a complete arse out of yourself by proving Abagond 100% correct. HAHAHA! You fool! What’s worse is you don’t even realize it. Pathetic.

Let’s face it, I.T. You’re a cut-and-paste, wikipedia star scholar with the personality of a red headed step-troglodyte.

Stick to little league, brah.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 16:30:01 Alisa

Wow great discussions here.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 17:05:43 Jared

““Wow. Where to begin. I stumbled across this blog just browsing around the internet. I have to ask the question, do you all realize that you are as racist and discriminatory as the ‘white’ people you claim are so ‘evil’ and ‘immoral’? Wow, you just did exactly what ‘they’ did to ‘us’ (us black people that is) in the past. Congratulations! Now you are the racists!!!”

I think that proud black conservative is a robot in disguise

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 17:51:08 Linda

“Inconvenient Truth,
So how about countries where black slavery was never even an issue? Let’s examine England.

In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race.

The figures showed that even though blacks only make up 12% of the population of London, they commit 66% of the total shootings. This means they commit shootings at 550% percent higher than their population.

Yes, not 10% or 25% higher, 550 percent!”

Linda says,

Inconvenient Liar, this is why you have no Credibility. The only thing you can ‘honestly’ do is copy and paste information from Wikipedia and then copy, cherry pick, and paste info from the only newspaper source Wikipedia mentions– June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph

12% blacks in London, really?

“per wikipedia–Figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that in 2007 an estimated 10.6 percent of London’s population of 7,556,900 were black”

What you ‘truthfully’ forgot to do was mention that the Sunday Telegraph got their data from the Metropolitan Police statistics of 18,091 people, the article states:

“The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 men and boys who police took action against for a range of violent and sexual offences in London in 2009-10

They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes, 54 per cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun crimes, 67 per cent. Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob and snatching property.”

So, the metropolitan police shows statistics of ONLY 18,091 men and boys of ALL races that they arrested in 2009-2010 and you somehow tied this into the 10% black population of London….

Do you see any numbers showing out of this 18,091 people of all races, how many men in total were arrested for the gun crimes category?

because that’s the number the police had to use to calculate 67% black men participating in that category..but this number was never mentioned in the Telegraph article.

Is that 67% black people out of what– 10, 100, 5000 total number of people of all races arrested for gun crimes that year

based on a survey of ONLY 18,091 men and boys of ALL races with a total population 7,556,900 of people in London….yep, black people in London sure are scary.

where did your 550% come from besides out your a’s

Since the Sunday Telegraph didn’t show the ACTUAL police report with the breakdown of these 18,091 people of all races per category, where is the validity to your claim?

The Sunday Telegraph also went on to say:
“The figures do not take into account that any one perpetrator may have committed numerous offences.”

GTFOH with your race realist lies …I realize you have a need to share your hatred of black people but you need to stick to your own country.

Thanks for being a breathing example of Abagonds post.

Here’s the article in it’s truthful words
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 18:10:04 Herneith

@inconvenienttruth:

All liquored up and no place to go! Calm down now!

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 18:28:26 Sharina

@ Dave

As I was reading through your post and the comments others have made to you it reminded me of something very interesting. A few years back I watch a documentary on a guy who is an active skinhead member. He was saying how the goal is no longer to make mobs and rally about blacks, but it is now to plant them into the government system. I use to laugh it off and not even take it seriously. As of late I have slowly began to see their efforts at work. Racist whites are trying to push a war between whites and blacks in my opinion.

The thing with the news. Most logical whites realize that the news has always showed in detail a black perp, but would refrain from that with a white perp. Now that they show each perp equally all I see on boards is complaints about how the media is biased towards whites. Not all of those comments come from racist whites either.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 19:19:07 duckduckgoofs

@Sam

I never said there wasn’t organized crime in formerly communist countries. There’s organized crime in every country. Nor did I say it wasn’t influenced by social, economic and political factors. In fact, I said specifically that it was.
I said crime in formerly communist countries had spiked due the instability and was dropping now that they’re getting things under control.

Now, it may be that other countries have higher crime rates due instability themselves. Such is the case with Mexico as it is currently fighting a de facto war against drug lords. Even so, it’s homicide rate still runs about half that for US blacks.`If you want to argue that instability is one of the factors contributing to those higher crime rates then I’d agree.

But let’s not dismiss statistics simply because we don’t like them. Not that every study or statistic is accurate. But most studies and statistics that are peer reviewed and accepted by mainstream professionals probably are.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 19:24:32 duckduckgoofs

A note to everyone.

Several have suggested that “a proud black conservative” is probably white. I think that’s probably true. But I also suspect “inconveniet truth” is probably black. As many have pointed out, they’re much dumber than usual. How stupid does one have to be not to connect the dots?

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 19:38:53 Herneith

Yeah right.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 20:06:38 Herneith

As many have pointed out, they’re much dumber than usual.

They start drinking and smoking spliffs, snorting cocaine to early. They should start around 3 p.m. so their posts are more coherent.

How stupid does one have to be not to connect the dots?

It’s not a matter of stupidity, but a matter of this; Does anyone actually give a shi+? It can be entertaining watching them implode. Besides, I need a break from ironing!

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 20:11:56 SomeGuy

But let’s not dismiss statistics simply because we don’t like them.

You mean like how some European descendants conveniently dismiss the multitude of White crimes documented in books, journals and other popular media?
When did the spike in Black crime occur? When drugs hit those neighbors. Black people don’t grow cocaine, don’t manufacture cocaine, don’t ship cocaine into the country. Yet crack cocaine has destroyed many Black communities and spiked the crime rates heavily out of proportion.

And let’s not forget two things: One, most Blacks are in prison due to DRUG crimes, and Two, most drug users are White Americans. This is backed by both the FBI and the DEA. Most drug users, in America are White.

Now, who is the fool? The one hooked on that poison or the one smart enough to realize there is profit in the misery of his oppressor? HA!
Now, do you wish to dismiss that simply because you don’t like it?

Not that every study or statistic is accurate. But most studies and statistics that are peer reviewed and accepted by mainstream professionals probably are.

It depends on who the peers are that are doing the reviewing. I can take any statistical study and justify anything. Why are so many bigoted Whites obsessed with stats? Because you can play with them and manipulate perception very easily with just the right “peer reviewed” lubtish.

No one is saying Black don’t commit crimes. But if you think that somehow Europeans are biologically less criminal, you either don’t know your own culture that well or you are in serious denial.

But I also suspect “inconveniet truth” is probably black. As many have pointed out, they’re much dumber than usual.

…

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 20:20:55 Herneith

But I also suspect “inconveniet truth” is probably black. As many have pointed out, they’re much dumber than usual.

How very convenient for you goof(that’s an apt moniker by the way). I can’t wait for this incontinent truth to return and duke it out with you! Let the gut laughs commence! This puts me in mind of that old saying; “If I wanted to hear from an arsehold I’d fart”. Well right now I do, anything to get out of ironing!

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 21:29:06 Sharina

“But most studies and statistics that are peer reviewed and accepted by mainstream professionals probably are.”—-I disagree. Just because it is excepted by mainstream professionals does not mean it is always true. For example….Do you take everything the FDA approves? Is everything they approve of actually good for you? What about the things they don’t approve of….How many of those things actually work?

Professionals make mistakes too.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 21:39:28 duckduckgoofs

@Someguy

When did the spike in Black crime occur? When drugs hit those neighbors. Black people don’t grow cocaine, don’t manufacture cocaine, don’t ship cocaine into the country. Yet crack cocaine has destroyed many Black communities and spiked the crime rates heavily out of proportion.

Yes, black crime spiked with drug use. Whites don’t normally grow or manufacture cocaine either. As for shipping drugs into the country. blacks and whites both do as well as asians and hispanics. Wikipedia has some pretty pictures of the top drug lords, including several blacks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_lord

And let’s not forget two things: One, most Blacks are in prison due to DRUG crimes, and Two, most drug users are White Americans. This is backed by both the FBI and the DEA. Most drug users, in America are White.

Most whites are in prison due to drug related crime, too. What’s your point? Blacks and whites both use drugs at about the same rate. In majority white areas the majority of drug users are white. In majority black areas the majority of drug users are black.

Now, who is the fool? The one hooked on that poison or the one smart enough to realize there is profit in the misery of his oppressor? HA!

I think they’re both fools. It’s interesting however that you (incorrectly) lay all the blame on whites for importing drugs which destroy black communities through gangs, violence, addiction and even imprisonment for drug related crimes. Yet gloat over the fact that it also harms some otherwise innocent white drug addicts as well. That doesn’t strike me as smart at all. It’s just hypocritical and bigoted.

Now, do you wish to dismiss that simply because you don’t like it?

You’ll notice I haven’t dismissed anything except your implied (and demonstrably false) assertion that only whites import drugs. Whereas you’ve dismissed any black culpability in the drug trade. And even gloated over the damage it does to others. *smh*

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 22:03:42 brothawolf

I knew Inconvenient truth was going to return a lot sooner than “days to come” just to talk down to someone who made a good point about his “brand of logic”.

Inconvenient, if you seriously can not see why you’re doing nothing but proving Abagond and the rest of us right about how white racists like you think like so many others, then you are the living outlier of the white superior mind.

Right now, many of us are laughing our butts off by your ridiculous responses because they not only solidify this post, but you do so in a childish way. You also proved my point by racism breeds immaturity:

http://brothawolf.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/racism-breeds-immaturity/

You are losing in the worst way. Soon, you’ll flip out just like you did the last time. Cry, moan and even curse us out while screaming how you’re never coming back, and in a few days return with the same old crap and more emotional instability.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 22:40:02 Bell

@ Jared

““Wow. Where to begin. I stumbled across this blog just browsing around the internet. I have to ask the question, do you all realize that you are as racist and discriminatory as the ‘white’ people you claim are so ‘evil’ and ‘immoral’? Wow, you just did exactly what ‘they’ did to ‘us’ (us black people that is) in the past. Congratulations! Now you are the racists…………………………………!!!”

Dear Jared,

If you said/wrote that just to arouse emotional excitement, well then, you’ve succeeded.

1. Do you realise that we are not talking of the past on most occasions but the present? And even if we do talk of the past, it’s legitimate because whites still hold on to the past to oppress us up till date.

2. I advise you go to the ” first experience of white racism” post.
Most of those horrible things happened to the individuals; people like me and most, if not all of the commenters, at an innocent stage of their life.
At a stage in life where you find yourself in a Racial War, you had nothing to do with.
At a stage in life, where you find yourself being used as an object of activity that frees or expresses the mean and evil creative energy or emotion by fustrated fellows, haters, losers, insecure, ignoble, heartless, gready, selfish and unscrupulous people.

Sometimes in situation where you’re powerless(perhaps, i should say always powerless) without defence, traumatized, confused and perplexed, and lets not talk about the emotional and psychological health problems that goes along with it. And lets not forget; sometimes even physical problems.

3. I don’t know if you’re a self-styled “Black Person” or not.
Well, for me, it’s irrelevant.
I know that people of all races, religion, etc go through discrimination in one way or the other.
But if you are a black person; as you claim and you live on Planet Earth, you can never, i repeat never convince me that you have never undergone overtly/covertly racism from a white person.
Unless you’re in a country where there are no or very few whites.

I hope you know the difference between being racist and recounting your racial experiences.

And i also hope that you know the difference between being a racist and being a racially oppressed person.
You should know that if you’re black.

You said:”I have to ask the question, do you all realize that you are as racist and discriminatory as the ‘white’ people you claim are so ‘evil’ and ‘immoral’?

1. I don’t think a reasonable person would ask a question like that, because in the first place; the owner of this amazing blog did not make a regulation saying: ” Hey guys, this is a black blog, and only blacks are allowed to come here. People who are not black are not allowed to comment, debate, etc.
Because I’m(we are) black and superior, we do not pay attention to others because they don’t have anything serious to say, they’re not worthy of being noticed neither to be listened to. Only blacks are human, and people of other races are sub-human, therefore they don’t deserve consideration, because they are inferior.”

No, Abagond didn’t do so.

2. Did you notice that most of the commenters on this blog usually use the words “some whites and not all whites”, sometimes when commenting?

We know because we’ve been taught sometimes by our parents, grandparents, relatives etc; despite the fact that they’ve gone, and keep undergoing racism from whites as well. That we should never generalize people, unlike 99.9 of white people. Because they have and are still being taught to always generalize, because they are the oppressors and not the subjugated people, and they enjoy being racist! They take delight in it.

@ duckduckgoofs

“A note to everyone.

Several have suggested that “a proud black conservative” is probably white. I think that’s probably true. But I also suspect “inconveniet truth” is probably black. As many have pointed out, they’re much dumber than usual. How stupid does one have to be not to connect the dots”

You might be right about that, honestly i do not give a **********

As for “inconveniet truth” that would be an act of cowardice and stupidity!

Because i understand why someone would(always) use a screan name on the internet. It is intelligent and legitimate; as long as he or she acts in a civil manner and abide by the law.
But i don’t know why anyone would cast off his/her race, and go into baseless and unwarranted argument with people of his/her own race.
I repeat, it would be an act of cowardice, and pathetic as well.

I refuse to believe that “inconvenient truth” is black.

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 23:44:15 cleonette

“innocent white drug addicts”

LMAO! What is the azz are YOU smoking?! LOL! Ignorance is bliss….

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on Sun May 6th 2012 at 23:47:56 cleonette

I was laughing so hard, I typed is instead of “in”.

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 00:30:33 duckduckgoofs

@ cleonette

You took that out of context. I said “otherwise innocent” meaning they haven’t harmed anyone as opposed to a rapist or a murderer who has. I generally view addicts the same as I view alcoholics. The only ones they’re really hurting are themselves.

@Bell But i don’t know why anyone would cast off his/her race, and go into baseless and unwarranted argument with people of his/her own race.

To be a straw man.

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 02:24:07 SomeGuy

Blacks and whites both use drugs at about the same rate.

Don’t take it up with me. Talk to the DEA. They say otherwise.

I think they’re both fools. It’s interesting however that you (incorrectly) lay all the blame on whites for importing drugs which destroy black communities through gangs, violence, addiction and even imprisonment for drug related crimes. Yet gloat over the fact that it also harms some otherwise innocent white drug addicts as well. That doesn’t strike me as smart at all. It’s just hypocritical and bigoted.

When the Germans took over France, the French resistance did a lot of things the Germans considered criminal. What’s YOUR point? You misunderstand my position. I like crime! I’m not against crime in general. Crime can be a good thing. It can be a tool for good or evil. My sole position is speaking against those who think Blacks are more criminal biologically than Whites. That’s it.

And I didn’t say WHO brings the drugs in, did I?

You’ll notice I haven’t dismissed anything except your implied (and demonstrably false) assertion that only whites import drugs. Whereas you’ve dismissed any black culpability in the drug trade. And even gloated over the damage it does to others. *smh*

As for the drug import trade, it’s not a business even closely dominated by Blacks and furthermore I mentioned specifically cocaine. A drug smuggled in by Hispanics, sold by Blacks and largely consumed by Whites. I didn’t deny Black culpability in the drug trade, I said it destroys Black communities, didn’t I? I know White pushers aren’t in those areas. But where do they get those drugs and who ALLOWS them into the community? That’s the real question.

It’s a smart move on the White bigots part. Let the Black community destroy itself, even if it costs the lives of a few innocent White folks. Strategic and ruthless. That’s how this all began and that’s how it all will end.

I don’t fault you for believing and pushing your propaganda in White circles. But this isn’t that environment. I don’t have to be a nice guy (as long as I obey Abagond’s rules, of course). I’m trying to survive and see some of my people survive too, through educating them about the real struggle. I’m not going to sit up here and allow your B.S. Statistics to pass without comment.

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 02:51:30 Kay

Sadly, that is true. But, you did forget to bring up my favorite argument, “I’m not racist, but [insert racist comment here]” Although maybe that doesn’t fit, because it is usually used by people who are racist but are in denial about their racism. Fun fact about crime statistics: White-collar crime (as in stuff like finacial scams and stealing pension funds) usually impacts more people and can often cause more damage than other crimes. And most of it is committed by white men. (For example, the real estate industry’s shady lending practices involving predatory loans that caused a lot of people to lose their homes. And also, Wall Street.) But does it much media attention? Hell no. Do the people responsible often get away with it? Hell yes.

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 03:40:09 duckduckgoofs

@ Someguy

Don’t take it up with me. Talk to the DEA. They say otherwise.

I’ll let Van Jones take it up with the DEA. I got the source from one of his articles.

You misunderstand my position. I like crime! I’m not against crime in general. Crime can be a good thing. It can be a tool for good or evil. My sole position is…

I think your sole position is whatever you feel like first and justify it after the fact.

As for the drug import trade, it’s not a business even closely dominated by Blacks and furthermore I mentioned specifically cocaine. A drug smuggled in by Hispanics, sold by Blacks and largely consumed by Whites.

But you think that’s a good thing. Because it hurts white people right?

But where do they get those drugs and who ALLOWS them into the community? That’s the real question.

I don’t know. Ask Marion Barry. haha

What do you care who lets them in the community. You like crime. You complained about blacks getting arrested for drug related crimes. Make up your mind – do you want people arrested for drugs or not?

It’s a smart move on the White bigots part. Let the Black community destroy itself, even if it costs the lives of a few innocent White folks. Strategic and ruthless. That’s how this all began and that’s how it all will end.

So you think it’s a ‘racist conspiracy’ eh? I think it’s just greedy mothergrabbers who would sell their own mothers for a buck. I’m talking about whites, blacks, hispanics, asians and anyone else involved in selling that garbage. A lot of those fools even use it themselves.

I don’t fault you for believing and pushing your propaganda in White circles. () I’m not going to sit up here and allow your B.S. Statistics to pass without comment.

Propaganda doesn’t have anything to do with it. Not liking the statistics doesn’t change the reality. There are plenty of statistics I don’t like, too. My only litmus test for whether a set of stats are true is whether they’re true.

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 03:42:19 cleonette

@ Duck

No, I didn’t take it out of context. You said white, innocent drug addicts. Well, are there black, innocent drug addicts as well?

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 03:52:36 SomeGuy

@ duckduckgoofs

Alabama, Alabama, We will aye be true to thee,
From thy Southern shores where groweth,
By the sea thy orange tree.
To thy Northern vale where floweth,
Deep blue the Tennessee,
Alabama, Alabama, we will aye be true to thee!

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 04:07:49 SomeGuy

My only litmus test for whether a set of stats are true is whether….

…they support White Privilege.

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 04:34:56 duckduckgoofs

@Cleonette No, I didn’t take it out of context. You said white, innocent drug addicts. Well, are there black, innocent drug addicts as well?

Of course there are otherwise innocent black addicts. But Someguy was laughing at the “misery” of white addicts specifically. Therefore, my response only mentioned white addicts.

@Someguy

You won’t get anywhere with me acting like that.

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 04:38:51 SomeGuy

@ duckduckgoofs

Ok, cool. I’ll just lay it all out there then.

I think you’re being just a tad bit disingenuous. You’re acting like you walked down the street and tripped over some crime statistics. You purposely went out of your way to gather select information about a specific group of people. Do you collect data? Are you a dataphile? No. You are trying to collect data that supports your idea about White Supremacy and Black inferiority. You’re acting like it’s a coincidence that you have that information. Something you just keep around the house. You’re also acting like you aren’t posting on a blog specifically for Black people. I mean, who are you trying to fool? If certain types of crime hinders people like you then GOOD. Too bad.

Just because I don’t like the statistics?? lol Please. As much crime as your people have committed on this planet, Black people can rob and steal seven days a week for the next two centuries and still not catch up to Europeans. Sitting there hiding behind some statistics and a plastic smile. Please. You’re here to disrupt harmony. Don’t play that neutral role. I’ve seen your other posts. You think you’re different than the average White bigot, but you’re wrong. You are just like them. You use their tactics, you use their idioms, you ARE them.

Plain enough for you?

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 04:58:47 Ace

@ Someguy,

My thoughts exactly.

@ Everyone,

Anyone ever get tired of always having every discussion go back to “crime statistics” as if that proves something? What point is there to defend bigoted statements with “Well x people do this, so lets not ignore the statistics because we don’t like them, blah blah stupid blah”? That doesn’t explain why the typical white supremacist doesn’t know how to hold a conversation with black people without resorting to one of the examples listed above and wonderfully displayed by Inconvenient Truth and Duckduckgoofs?

What I want to know is , when people would get offended by being treated this way if it were white on white, why is it okay to to talk to blacks about racism this way? It just makes no sense to try to use bigotry to explain bigotry, there’s no truth to it.

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 05:21:17 duckduckgoofs

@ Someguy

Actually, I am a dataphile. But I also like to read blogs and debate people I disagree with. I enjoy it but if I did it to people I knew in real life I wouldn’t have any friends. So I do it on the internet as a hobby. This is a regular thing for me. Sometimes I discuss race. Other times it’s religion, politics, economics, you name it. Some people play video games and others play solitaire. I do this.

As for me being “them”. That’s debatable because I’m mixed. But I sure as hell don’t agree with you. haha

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 06:16:48 SomeGuy

@ duckduckgoofs

Fair enough. I guess we must agree to disagree. By the way, I’m mixed as well, but identify as African American.

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 15:44:31 Tyrone

Black People:

(Don’t Blame Me)

This is the typical mindset of most whites as it relates to black folk. I wasn’t around when x, y, and z took place, therefore, i and other whites have no responsibility to fix the mess our white forefathers created on this planet. Of course, it’s lazy thinking on their part. They can pass the blame on to folk that are no longer here, meanwhile, they live swell because of what their european ancestors put into place. Oftentimes, this mode of thought shows itself in white liberals who think they know what’s best for black folk at all times, as if we can’t think for ourselves. We can be upset about it, but, we allow the foolishness to continue with impunity. Whites and others do what they do because we allow them to do it. If we allow them to punk us, Why would they wanna stop the gravy chain from churning when they get so much benefit from it? Think about it black people? White racism can only hurt black people who don’t know, not those of us that do know…Ditto!

Tyrone
MindScape

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 15:57:40 Tyrone

@duckduckgoofs

The illegal drug trade is “The Epitome” of racism. Drugs are imported into the country by white spaniards and native-americans in south america, and consumed by whites more so than any other race. At the same time, black males are killing each other in the streets, killing blackwomen and children with stray bullets, drive-bys, selling poison to their own people, serving more jail time than others when everybody else gets a slap on the wrist because white judges don’t want naive whitemen to get raped in prison by black thugs. And, the same goes for blackwomen as well…harsher sentences, no leniency with regard to domestic violence, raped by prison guards, and so forth. This is the criminal justice system in a nutshell.

Tyrone
MindScape

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 19:01:06 Bell

@ duckduckgoofs

“But i don’t know why anyone would cast off his/her race, and go into baseless and unwarranted argument with people of his/her own race.”

“To be a straw man.”

Well duckduckgoofs, i think you are right!

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 20:34:33 stevor

That’d be like obama talking about telling the truth and “transparency”. Oh yeah, he already did that and GOT AWAY with it because there’s so many LEMMINGS out there.

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 20:51:50 duckduckgoofs

@ Bell

Thank you, sir. Is not the guy a complete pinata? Its just too obvious. haha

@Tyrone

You say drugs are “consumed by whites more than anyone” but that blacks are “selling poison to their own people”? That seems a contradiction. And why isn’t it poison when blacks are selling it to whites as well?

I’ve explained the apparent discrepancy concerning the criminal justice system in an earllier comment.

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/the-white-racist-guide-to-talking-to-blacks-about-race/#comment-127678

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on Mon May 7th 2012 at 21:23:26 sam

@duckduckgoofs:

First of all, I live right next to Russia and I have been there, even when it still was the biggest state of USSR. We could get travel visas in to the USSR.

According the official statistics of USSR there was no prostitution at all, which was strange since all the hotels hosting westeners were full of prostitutes in 1970’s and 80’s. There was no crime to speak off, which was strange too since there was all kinds of crime, including street crime, organised crime, economical crime, corruption, black market racketeers and some of the most profilic serial killers in the history.

All the statistics of Soviet Union were subject to the official party line and that line was that things are better in USSR than anywhere in the west. That is why they were breaking all the records in agriculture and industrial production all the time, despite the constant shortages in almost everything from cars to bread, from boots to toilet paper, from electricity to water.

I would not base any of my assumptios on anything in USSR on those statistics.

As for the drug commerce which demolished most of the black areas in urban USA from 1940’s on wards, that has been well documented and told in many palces and medias by many participants and by official raports etc. DEAs history tells the story as well.

In 1940’s CIA made a deal with certain criminals whom were known as Million dollar men. These guys were untouchable. Tampa mafiaboss Santo Trafficante was one. Gambling boss Meyer Lansky was very likely one. Most likely the boss of Louisiana Carlos Marcello was also one. And it is known that there were others too. Many former DEA agents have told how they were about capture a certain gangster boss when all of a sudden their own boss Harry Anslinger took away the investigation, dossiers etc. and the cases dissappeared mysteriously. Many agents had a full proof cases which went down the tubes. Some agents got kicked out, transferred, sometimes framed and arrested themselves.

From 1940’s to 1960’s the main importers of narcotics, heroin and cocaine, into USA were the corsican (french) crimals and the mafia. From 1950’s to early 1980’s Sicilian mafia brought in tons of heroin annually. Columbians got into the game in 1970’s. Chinese brought in heroin which they sold by tons to the mafia which supplied ethnic gangsters who then distributed the drugs to the dealers. The chinese heroin trade peaked in 1980’s.

It is undeniable fact that white organized crime created many of the ghettoes with their trade and thus the drug culture which still ravages the black neighborhoods. It is also undeniable fact that the parts of US government helped them to do so. Air America and introducing heroin producing laotian general Van Pao to Trafficante is just one example from 1960’s. Contra Gate is another (guns in, cocaine back in, in the same CIA airplanes).

As to the fact where the majority of narcotics go, veteran DEA agent Mike Levine (who was about to arrest general Noriega back in 1980’s, only to be betrayed by the CIA and his own government in a trap which almost cost his life) has stated in openly that the majority of the drugs coming in the country are consumed by middle class white citizen. Not only he proved it few times during his career but also calculated it: the black neighborhoods do not have the capital for it. It is that simple. Harlem is too poor to consume all the coke coming in to the NYC. It is an economical fact.

When millions and millions of whites take a sniff only couple times a year, couple times a month etc. it amounts a huge amount of kilos. These people are not junkies, are not degenerates, usually are working, doing just fine and think they use the drug just for recreational purposes. Sure. But they are the ones who make it so profitable. Granted, there are black middle class members who propably do the same. But the point is, the black slum areas do not have enough capital to pay for all these drugs.

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 01:21:12 Uncle Milton

To Sam:

As for the drug commerce which demolished most of the black areas in urban USA from 1940′s on wards, that has been well documented and told in many palces and medias by many participants and by official raports etc. DEAs history tells the story as well.

Disagree, most of Black areas of the US were fully functional until the 1960s. Crime in the US dropped markedly from the mid-30s to the early 60s. Drug consumption had actually dropped through the late 50s from the early part of the century.

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 01:50:58 joshua

@Tyrone

“White spaniards and native americans?” Get real. The people who control the drug trade are of primarily mixed race, at least for what comes out of the Americas. The leaders of the cartels are well known. Massive amounts of money has been a terribly corrupting influence.

You are right about the sentence bias in the system though. At least the last time I checked, white preferred forms of a drug like powder cocaine carry much less of a sentence than crack for example, even though there is little difference except route of administration.

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 11:21:54 sam

@matari:

I did not mean that they collapsed at once back in 1940’s but slowly eroded untill the final collapse in the 60’s. If you look at the causes behind Newark riots for instance, you will see that the corruption in the city hall and organized crime influence to that city government were the major reason for the explotions. Add to that the drug trade and results were what they where.

Even though I am not a big fan of official statistics, speaking of organized crime some results give us a hint what and how things have been in the past. This is from the official FBI site:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/organizedcrime/cases

Listed are cases they consider as major organized crime cases in USA from 1930’s up till today. There are no black criminal organisations at all on this list which tells you how things have been at least in the past.

That being said, it is true that nigerian criminals are becoming more and more active internationally. Thus far it is unclear is there an organisation/organisations or loose network of professional criminals in Nigeria, but nigerians are the only black criminal group that has been identified and considered as a threat internationally. All other major criminal groups even today are either asian or so called white. Latin american organisations can be seen white or brown.

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 12:05:27 Matari

Sam

“@matari:

I did not mean that they collapsed at once back in 1940′s but slowly eroded untill the final collapse in the 60′s. If you look at the causes behind Newark riots for instance, you will see that the corruption in the city hall and organized crime influence to that city government were the major reason for the explotions. Add to that the drug trade and results were what they where. ”

*****

Did you intend to address the above comment to me, or was it meant for someone else?
: )

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 15:45:57 sam

@matari: Oh sorry, to uncle milton! 😀

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 18:25:17 duckduckgoofs

@ Joshua You are right about the sentence bias in the system though. At least the last time I checked, white preferred forms of a drug like powder cocaine carry much less of a sentence than crack for example, even though there is little difference except route of administration.

He’s right about their being a difference in sentencing between crack and powder cocaine. But he’s wrong about the reasons for it.

Concerned about the deadly effect of crack within their own communities, black members of Congress demanded the 1986 federal drug laws. The bill that was passed — which included the crack/powder sentencing disparity — did so with the support of the majority of black congresspersons. None at the time objected to the sentencing disparity as “racist.” Even so, only 0,5% of the blacks in prison were tried under the federal laws that contain the sentencing disparity.

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 18:29:12 duckduckgoofs

Sam

First of all, I live right next to Russia and I have been there

I never said there weren’t prostitutes and pickpockets in the Soviet Union. The US has them, too. But the issue was homicides not prostitutes and pickpockets. And it’s a little harder to cover up a DEAD BODY. When homicides are unaccounted for it tends to get noticed.

All the statistics of Soviet Union were subject to the official party line

The evidence doesn’t support you so you hide behind the spectre of the “evil empire”. Boo! But the numbers started increasing in the 80’s while the communists were still in power. If they were manipulating homicide statistics then why didn’t they manipulate them then? Because its exactly like I said – homicide rates went up as the USSR destabilized. And they’re dropping now that things are under control. They didn’t just spike after the USSR collapsed. It was a gradual increase up and a gradual increase down. Exactly what one would expect.

I would not base any of my assumptios on anything in USSR on those statistics.

And I wouldn’t base my assumptions on anything a Finn said about Russians. You’re not exactly the best of friends now are you?

As for the drug commerce which demolished most of the black areas in urban USA from 1940′s on wards

Drug use in the 1940’s was miniscule compared to today. Drugs weren’t common until the 70’s and 80’s. By then it was dominated by South American cartels not mafia. So that long book you wrote about the mafia is irrelevant.

Even though I am not a big fan of official statistics, speaking of organized crime some results give us a hint what and how things have been in the past. This is from the official FBI site:

Did you even bother to read those indictments? Drugs were hardly mentioned. Most of the crimes were white collar i.e. securities fraud, racketeering, loansharking, extortion and money laudering.

You have no idea what the mafia does in the US. The US isn’t Europe. The mafia doesn’t control the drug trade here. A few individuals dabble in drugs but most have rules against drug trafficking. They consider it too high profile. It attracts attention which puts their racketeering at risk.

Many former DEA agents have told how they were about capture a certain gangster boss when all of a sudden their own boss Harry Anslinger took away the investigation, dossiers etc. and the cases dissappeared mysteriously.

The DEA wasn’t created until 1973. Anslinger died in 1975 at the age of 83. He never had anything to do with the DEA.

Contra Gate is another (guns in, cocaine back in, in the same CIA airplanes).

That shows how much you don’t know about “Contra Gate”. The Iran Contra operations were about selling guns to the Iranians to fund the Nicaraguan Contra army in their war against the Sandanista communists. At one point, the Contras ran out of money and started trafficking drugs to fund their military. Most of the allegations came from an agent named Webb. And he never even claimed to have made a direct link between the CIA and the Contras.

has stated in openly that the majority of the drugs coming in the country are consumed by middle class white citizen.

I never said otherwise. What I said was whites and blacks use drugs at about the same rate. Since the US is majority white its obvious that the majority of users would be white.

In summary, whites don’t control the drug trade any more than blacks do. And you can hardly blame white drug users when blacks use drugs at the same rate. When it comes to drugs, whites aren’t doing anything blacks aren’t doing. So what we’re left with is a feeble attempt to scapegoat whites for others’ problems.

What’s more, you’ve done what everyone does when they can’t support their arguments — they try to overwhelm their opponent with BS. It’s a logical fallacy called “shotgun argumentation”. I don’t have to do that because I can support my position. My comment is only long because I had to disprove yours.

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 18:52:03 cleonette

Sam, give up on this dude. No matter what you say he won’t believe you because you are black. You can say you brushed your teeth last night and he want a statistic to prove it. He has no clue what validity and context means either.

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 20:25:40 SomeGuy

When it comes to drugs, whites aren’t doing anything blacks aren’t doing. So what we’re left with is a feeble attempt to scapegoat whites for others’ problems.

I think you’ve validated our very argument there, which is that every so-called race and ethnicity commits crimes and does drugs. The problem is this: When we offer an explanation for a spike in Black crime, you don’t want to hear it. But when we talk about the excess of White drug use and other activities, then you brush it off. Then you imply we do the same exact thing that you yourself is guilty of. Now are you trying to bring a balanced argument or are you fighting for the “White man”, which you are not?

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 20:36:34 B. R.

Sam is white , Cleonette but I get what you are saying

Duckgoofs, could the murder rate posibly have been lower in communist Soviet Union before the 50’s because Stalin was murdering millions ? 20 miilion ? You are good at statistics, look it up.

I think Sam is acurate about the mafia in the drug trade back in the day…over time , things have changed.

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 20:47:06 SomeGuy

@ duckduckgoofs

I think in your case there is much confirmation bias. You’re very willing to accept your own information unquestioningly while completely dismissing everyone else’s simply because it doesn’t fit into your pre-conceived reality. Then you project this bias onto everyone who questions your own presented information, which, by the way, you have not shown any sources or support for.

You said you’re a dataphile, but you seem to only collect the information that you’re comfortable with accepting. You’re hiding behind stats without an explanation other than “Black people are (biologically) more criminal”. The people who gathered those statistics you’re using said no such thing. Government collected criminal statistics typically do NOT offer explanations such as the one you are presenting.

You’re offering your own unprofessional opinion as to the etiology of Black crime. I don’t think you are qualified to do that. I also find this strange, considering you fight tooth-and-nail for White people, when you’re not a White person. Can you explain this?

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 20:50:11 duckduckgoofs

@cleonette Sam, give up on this dude. No matter what you say he won’t believe you because you are black.

Sam isn’t black.

@ SomeGuy I think you’ve validated our very argument there, which is that every so-called race and ethnicity commits crimes and does drugs.

Yes, every ethnicity commits crimes and does drugs. But it doesn’t validate your argument. If whites used drugs at a much higher rate then I would consider white drug users a special problem. You won’t hear whites denying that “meth is primarily a white drug”. Now, if you try to attack them with it they’ll hit you with something else. But they won’t call meth statistis “racist”.

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 21:00:00 duckduckgoofs

@ Someguy You’re hiding behind stats without an explanation other than “Black people are (biologically) more criminal”. The people who gathered those statistics you’re using said no such thing. Government collected criminal statistics typically do NOT offer explanations such as the one you are presenting.

I don’t think I’ve said that, either. In fact, if you had read all my comments the only explanations I think I’ve offered were that social factors influence crime rates. And that the crime rate spiked after drugs became more common. Now, I do think biology influences criminality. But I think biology is a factor in the criminality for every demographic.

I also find this strange, considering you fight tooth-and-nail for White people, when you’re not a White person. Can you explain this?

That’s the second time you’ve asked my background. I can’t answer that question without providing personal information and I’ve already explained why I won’t do that.

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 21:19:30 duckduckgoofs

BR Duckgoofs, could the murder rate posibly have been lower in communist Soviet Union before the 50′s because Stalin was murdering millions ? 20 miilion ? You are good at statistics, look it up.

The homicide rate in Russia prior to Stalin was around 10 per 100K which is actually lower than it is now. The rate did, however, drop in the 50’s when Stalin was in power. I’ve no doubt the gulags had a lot to do with it. In fact, that’s one of the reasons crime in the US is lower now than it has been previously. The US incarceration rate is huge.

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 21:23:36 SomeGuy

I don’t think I’ve said that, either. In fact, if you had read all my comments the only explanations I think I’ve offered were that social factors influence crime rates. And that the crime rate spiked after drugs became more common.

Well, that changes everything then. You don’t believe Black people are more criminal than White people, you just believe Black culture is more criminal White culture – or as you put it “social factors”.

That simplifies the argument immensely. If you study both Black and White cultures, especially historically, you can plainly see European crimes that have been documented in various books for centuries. I guess that is a side benefit for Black people, that our history is not as well documented.

If this isn’t a question of shady biological claims, then you are actually fighting from a weak standpoint. Studies in Black crime and even Black sociology as a whole is a relatively new phenomenon. Whites and even other cultures so rarely write about Africans and their diaspora, than scant information is available on the social history, mores and culture of Black people as a group.

White people on the other hand have written countless volumes about European and White American society, history and yes, crime. We can plainly see every wrinkle and blemish in White people’s culture. You don’t even require stats to prove the criminality of Whites. The data is endless.

Now, I’m not saying White society is more criminal, but if you look at the documentation WITHOUT EXPLANATION then you may get that picture.

See how that works.

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 21:53:09 cleonette

Ok, Sam is not black, but my beliefs are still the same. Anything that doesn’t support your racist views must be wrong. Duck knows more than anyone, can argue any topic, and everyone else in the world is wrong.

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 22:04:08 Ace

@ Duck,

“That’s the second time you’ve asked my background. I can’t answer that question without providing personal information and I’ve already explained why I won’t do that.”

Actually, I am curious about this, because you had no reservations about asking for information on my ethnicity in the open thread. Why would that information be any more damning for you than it would’ve been for me?

“Yes, every ethnicity commits crimes and does drugs. But it doesn’t validate your argument. If whites used drugs at a much higher rate then I would consider white drug users a special problem. You won’t hear whites denying that “meth is primarily a white drug”. Now, if you try to attack them with it they’ll hit you with something else. But they won’t call meth statistis “racist”.

Which you also just did in the open thread. You said that using statistics to portray pedophilia as a “white problem” was something “black racists” do. So again, please inform us why that is acceptable one way but not the other?

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 22:05:21 cleonette

“But they won’t call meth statistis “racist”.”

Most likely because they use meth stats like its some sort of white people disease. No one is constantly on television talking about we have to do something about all these white meth heads! They must be meth heads because they are white! See the difference. Besides, why would whites be racist against themselves?

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 22:47:25 sam

@duckduckgoofs:

“The evidence doesn’t support you so you hide behind the spectre of the “evil empire”. Boo! But the numbers started increasing in the 80′s while the communists were still in power. If they were manipulating homicide statistics then why didn’t they manipulate them then? Because its exactly like I said – homicide rates went up as the USSR destabilized. And they’re dropping now that things are under control. They didn’t just spike after the USSR collapsed. It was a gradual increase up and a gradual increase down. Exactly what one would expect.”

Boo hoo, you did hide behind false statistics and did not even know it 😀

I have never thoughed Russia or USSR as Evil Empire, that is an invention of american conservatives, Reagan and other simpletons. To us they have always been neighbours, nothing more and nothing less, even during the wars. Not the best of neighbours all the time but never ever this mythical Evil you guys so much like to think they are. Just russians.

I happen to know lot of russians who live in Russia. Do you? How many times you have been there? As why the statistics started to grow back in late 80’s, did you notice a small thing called Glasnost?

It was an attempt by Mihail Gorbatshov to try to save USSR from total collapse and one key factor was to find out the real situation in the land. Did not work out that way, USSR collapsed any way, but they found forexample a whole city of 500 000 people in Siberia which had existed for decades BUT only on paper. So all the money that had been allocated to that city by central government had been stolen for decades from top to the local level. That might be a hint for you about the statistics of USSR.

They were manipulating homicide rates all the time but had to bring them towards the reality after Gorbatshov started his campaign of Openess, Glasnost. Just like every other statistics.

“But the issue was homicides not prostitutes and pickpockets. And it’s a little harder to cover up a DEAD BODY. When homicides are unaccounted for it tends to get noticed.”

And yet Andrei Tshikatilo was able to murder dozens of people for decades without any one getting wiser. And he was not the only one. There were several serial killers on the loose but because they did not officially excist in USSR they were not chased untill very end of USSR and after it. And adding to this, there were millions of children living in the streets of USSR whom nobody cared or counted and they died by thousands. Many were orphans from the civil war in 1920’s (someone estimated that during the Stalin period there were some 2 000 000 street kids in USSR. of course they did not excist officially at all) and WW2. There still are thousands of street kids all over the country. Nobody knows how many even today. There are only estimates. And nobody knows how many of them are killed every year either, not even today. Why? Because they are not in your beloved statistics.

“Drug use in the 1940′s was miniscule compared to today. Drugs weren’t common until the 70′s and 80′s. By then it was dominated by South American cartels not mafia. So that long book you wrote about the mafia is irrelevant.”

Who you are kiddin? During prohibition it was fashionable to hop into to the dozens of opium dens in NYC. In Hollywood in 1920’s movie stars put up parties where drugs were used openly. One of them even sent a small spoons to all of whom she invited, that is, for the whole jet set of LA at that time, mayor included. And did you ever heard of 60’s? I think somebody was smokin something funny back then too.

And did you ever hear of Pizza Connection? Check that one out. It was just one mafia heroin pipeline to USA and there were others too. Feds were able to trace over 1,4 billion dollars on that alone. And that was all sicilians in NYC, Mid West and Philly. Small potatoes, eh?

“The DEA wasn’t created until 1973. Anslinger died in 1975 at the age of 83. He never had anything to do with the DEA.”

Okay, if you wish to split the hairs, Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs, which was doing the job previously, BNDD for short. Read Douglas Valentines The Strenght of Wolf, The secret history of America’s war on drugs for starters on that subject. Excellent book.

“Did you even bother to read those indictments? Drugs were hardly mentioned. Most of the crimes were white collar i.e. securities fraud, racketeering, loansharking, extortion and money laudering.”

Yes, that is how RICO cases are usually structured. Money laundring is commonly connected to the drug trade as anyone knows. But if you do not believe that the mafia was running the drug business, do not take my word for it. You can settle for few dozen testimonies of the mafia rats like Anthony Casso, who personally murdered some 30+ people and brought in alone tons of marijuana, cocaine and heroine from the 60’s up to his capture in early 90’s. And he was not alone. There were dozens of others.

“That shows how much you don’t know about “Contra Gate”. The Iran Contra operations were about selling guns to the Iranians to fund the Nicaraguan Contra army in their war against the Sandanista communists. At one point, the Contras ran out of money and started trafficking drugs to fund their military. Most of the allegations came from an agent named Webb. And he never even claimed to have made a direct link between the CIA and the Contras.”

And that shows how naive you are. The fact is that iranians never ever paid so much for anything that it could have covered the cost of the so called secret war in Nicaragua run by Ollie North et al. Iranians did not buy a thing. Your government gave them stuff so that they would not spill the beans which they had learned after they captured and tortured the CIA station chief in Lebanon (Hizbollah did it for them). But they needed money for the nicaraguan mess. That is why they did the switch with arms and coke. They did the same shit in Laos during Vietnam war and guess what? The very same guys did it there too!! 😀

“What’s more, you’ve done what everyone does when they can’t support their arguments — they try to overwhelm their opponent with BS. It’s a logical fallacy called “shotgun argumentation”. I don’t have to do that because I can support my position. My comment is only long because I had to disprove yours.”

Ok, just for starters here is a short list for you for some reading on the subject so we can start a dialogue:

– Pino Arlacchi: Mafia Business – the mafia ethic and the spirit of capitalism.
– Pino Arlacchi; Men of Dishonor.
– Mike Levine: Deep Cover.
– Mike Levine, Donald Goddard: Undercover.
– A.G.D. Maran: Mafia – Inside the Heart of Darkness.
– John Dickie: Cosa Nostra The History of Sicilain Mafia.
– John Follain: The Last Godfathers – The rise and fall of the mafia’s most powerful family.
– Letitizia Paoli: Mafia brotherhoods.
– Thomas Repetto: American mafia A History of It’s Rise to Power.
– Gus Russo: Supermob.
– Gus Russo: The Outfit.
– Clara Longrigg: Boss of bosses – A Journey into the heart of the Sicilian mafia.
– Salvatore Lupo: History of the Mafia.
– Ralph Blumenthal: Last days of the sicilians – at war with the MAFIA.
– Alexander Stille: Excellent Cadavers – The mafia and the death of the first Italian republic.
– Virgil W. Petersen: The Mob – 200 years of organized crime in New York.
– Raimondo Catanzaro: Men of respect, A social history of the sicilian mafia.
– Roberto Saviano: Gomorra.
– Selwyn Raab: Five Families: The rise, Decline, and Resurgence of America’s Most powerful Mafia Enterprises.

These give you a nice overview of the subject and something where to start from. After that I recommend you read some of the court transcripts from some of the major mafia trials and/or the testimonies of the mafia witnesses. And once you gone trough them, let me know and I’ll give you some more books to read which give you more detailed information about this subject.

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 23:09:16 louiejacuzzi

Here’s a bit of stat porn for all the race realist statsturbators, before 1980, the percentage of black males who had before age 30, been incarcerated was b/t 3 and 7%. Today that number is close to 30%. A number like 15-20% could probably make a case for something being wrong with black people, but 30% is flat out ridiculous. Even after adjusting for IQ, we’re still more likely to get thrown in the clink. Black’s are statistically more educated than Hispanics, but their household is still around 20% higher. Even adjusting for education, we still get paid less.

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 23:51:30 duckduckgoofs

@ Ace Actually, I am curious about this, because you had no reservations about asking for information on my ethnicity in the open thread.

I didn’t ask you. You volunteered the information.

Which you also just did in the open thread. You said that using statistics to portray pedophilia as a “white problem” was something “black racists” do. So again, please inform us why that is acceptable one way but not the other?

That is a claim black racists make. My main objection was that the claim is false.

@ louiejacuzzi Here’s a bit of stat porn for all the race realist statsturbators…

And crime is down, too. So it must be working. Seriously, crime is down. But I agree the numbers are too high. And I think Welfare and the Drug War are the two biggest reasons. What would you do differently to change it?

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on Tue May 8th 2012 at 23:56:57 cleonette

Welfare and the Drug War? lol. I can’t…lol

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on Wed May 9th 2012 at 00:43:13 Ace

@ Duck,

Actually, no. I said I was indigenous in a response to someone else, and you asked me what tribes, then told me I should make an effort to find out for sure because you heard people claim they were indigenous because they heard they were “part Indian”.

You thought it was okay to ask me what tribes, so how is that any less personal than someone asking what ethnicity you are, since you’ve claimed to be “mixed”. I’m just wondering why you took such aversion to Someguy’s question.

“That is a claim black racists make. My main objection was that the claim is false.”

And what you are defending was a claim that white racists make. Which is it? Are the numbers true or false? Can you use statistics to prove conclusions about races of people or not? You’re taking a completely different position in this one than you did in the other one. Why is one true and the other isn’t?

“And I think Welfare and the Drug War are the two biggest reasons. What would you do differently to change it?”

What does welfare (an assistance program which primarily benefits white people) have to do with black crime numbers? I am curious why you view Welfare and the Drug War as the biggest reasons for high numbers in this context.

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on Wed May 9th 2012 at 03:14:48 duckduckgoofs

@Ace And what you are defending was a claim that white racists make. Which is it? Are the numbers true or false?

Who makes a claim has no bearing on whether it is true. And whether one claim is true has no bearing on the other. She made a claim that is often made by black racists. My objection, however, is not that the claim was racist but that the claim was false.

Can you use statistics to prove conclusions about races of people or not? You’re taking a completely different position in this one than you did in the other one. Why is one true and the other isn’t?

Statistics can be used to determine the frequency of certain behaviors and characteristics for a given population. No, I’m not taking a different position. Because the evidence supports one conclusion and not the other.

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on Wed May 9th 2012 at 03:33:48 Ace

@ Duck,

“Who makes a claim has no bearing on whether it is true. And whether one claim is true has no bearing on the other. She made a claim that is often made by black racists. My objection, however, is not that the claim was racist but that the claim was false.”

But you support claims made by white racists, yet want to argue against claims made by black people. Clearly, if the “who” didn’t matter, you wouldn’t be so inconsistent. Yes, it does have a bearing. Either statistics can be used to predict or make conclusions about groups of people or they can’t. There is no, “Well this time it’s different”.

“My objection, however, is not that the claim was racist but that the claim was false.”

But you said her claims were the same ones being said by “black racists”, therefore you were saying her claims were racist. I’m going to ask again, why is her claim absolutely false, yet you support claims that are actually proven false? Is it because one is a claim about white people, and the other is a claim about black people?

“Statistics can be used to determine the frequency of certain behaviors and characteristics for a given population.”

But in the open thread you said it can’t. You also claimed Cleonette’s claims were false. So what is the difference between then and now?

“No, I’m not taking a different position. Because the evidence supports one conclusion and not the other.”

How does the evidence support one conclusion and not the other? How is one form of evidence somehow more true than the other?

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on Wed May 9th 2012 at 04:39:06 duckduckgoofs

@Ace But you support claims made by white racists, yet want to argue against claims made by black people. Clearly, if the “who” didn’t matter, you wouldn’t be so inconsistent.

First, why do you say white claims are made by “racists” but black claims are made by “people”? You’re being inconsistent.

And, second, you say that if one claim is true then another claim must be true as well. But there is no logic in that. If one person says “dogs bark” and another says “pigs fly” does it follow that either both must be true or both must be false?

I’m going to ask again, why is her claim absolutely false, yet you support claims that are actually proven false?

First, her claim by implication is false because the evidence doesn’t support it. And, second, none of the claims I support have been proven false.

How does the evidence support one conclusion and not the other? How is one form of evidence somehow more true than the other?

Let’s make sure we’re on the same page. My objection is to her implied claim that her anecdotes prove a higher level of deviancy. Her anecdotes may or may not be true. I’m doubtful that they are. Regardless, they don’t demonstrate a higher level of deviancy because 1) small sample bias makes them unsuitable for conclusions and 2) other evidence doesn’t support a higher level of deviancy.

You can’t possibly be this dumb. I think you’re being willfully ignorant.

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on Wed May 9th 2012 at 05:03:48 Ace

“First, why do you say white claims are made by “racists” but black claims are made by “people”? You’re being inconsistent.”

Nope. Because white PEOPLE and white racists are not the same thing. You don’t have to support racist views because you are white. The claims made here are usually made by white supremacists. Cleonette is not a “black racist” nor is she a “white racist”, so her claims are made by a “black person”. Sam’s claims are not made by a “white racist” because he is not a racist. If your trying to grasp for straws to imply that I am working with a bias, try again please.

“And, second, you say that if one claim is true then another claim must be true as well. But there is no logic in that. If one person says “dogs bark” and another says “pigs fly” does it follow that either both must be true or both must be false?”

No, that’s not what I said. You should read it again. I said that either statistics can be used to make something true or they can’t. You can’t argue that it’s fine to use statistics in this case because the “data” proves it, but then say it’s not okay to use in another case. You can’t argue that statistics can predict behavior for SOME people, but not everyone else. And that’s a bad metaphor.

“First, her claim by implication is false because the evidence doesn’t support it. And, second, none of the claims I support have been proven false.”

But that’s inconsistent, how is her “evidence” any less true than yours? And yes they have. Many times.

“Let’s make sure we’re on the same page. My objection is to her implied claim that her anecdotes prove a higher level of deviancy. Her anecdotes may or may not be true. I’m doubtful that they are. Regardless, they don’t demonstrate a higher level of deviancy because 1) small sample bias makes them unsuitable for conclusions and 2) other evidence doesn’t support a higher level of deviancy.”

Exactly. A small sample bias makes them unsuitable for conclusions and other evidence doesn’t support it. However, you argue that, despite this, the same kind of information (with the races flipped) can be used about black people, and have some degree of accuracy. This is despite constant debunking, variation, etc. Right up there you say that you believe that statistics, like those, can be used to predict behavior.

“You can’t possibly be this dumb. I think you’re being willfully ignorant.”

So I’m dumb now because I don’t agree with your hypocritical inconsistency? Okay 🙂 Are you going to say you “don’t recall” if I bring that up later on?

How am I willfully ignorant? You don’t think that maybe that’s a little silly?

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on Wed May 9th 2012 at 06:14:01 duckduckgoofs

@ Ace If your trying to grasp for straws to imply that I am working with a bias, try again please.

There’s no grasping necessary. The first thing you do is look at a claim and ask if it’s “racist” against “PoC”, The first thing I do is look at a claim and ask if it’s true.

I said that either statistics can be used to make something true or they can’t.

Statistics don’t “make something true”. They simply measure frequency of a behavior or characteristic.

You can’t argue that it’s fine to use statistics in this case because the “data” proves it, but then say it’s not okay to use in another case. You can’t argue that statistics can predict behavior for SOME people, but not everyone else.

I haven’t done that. The statistics support my case and refute hers.

But that’s inconsistent, how is her “evidence” any less true than yours? And yes they have. Many times.

What is her “evidence”??? She hasn’t provided any that would support the claims being made.

Exactly. A small sample bias makes them unsuitable for conclusions and other evidence doesn’t support it. However, you argue that, despite this, the same kind of information (with the races flipped) can be used about black people, and have some degree of accuracy.

No. I don’t. Small sample bias applies to her anecdotes because shes only dealing with a few people taken or over a short period of time. It wouldn’t apply to large numbers of people or taken over an extended period of time.

This is despite constant debunking, variation, etc. Right up there you say that you believe that statistics, like those, can be used to predict behavior.

FIrst, the only one who has done any debunking is me. And, second, I never said statistics can be used to predict behavior. I said they’re used to measure behavior or characteristics.

So I’m dumb now because I don’t agree with your hypocritical inconsistency? Okay Are you going to say you “don’t recall” if I bring that up later on?

No. I said, “You can’t possibly be this dumb.” I still don’t believe you can be as dumb as your comments suggest. I think you’re being “willfully ignorant”. That means you are pretending to be dumb in order not to accept a valid argument.

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on Wed May 9th 2012 at 06:43:45 Ace

“There’s no grasping necessary. The first thing you do is look at a claim and ask if it’s “racist” against “PoC”, The first thing I do is look at a claim and ask if it’s true.”

True = racist against PoC?

Odd, since, if I recall, the first thing I did was read your very racist words in the Zimmerman thread and go from there. I didn’t have to see if your comments would have a racial bias, you prove it every time. And if you really did focus on “truth” I doubt you’d be arguing points that support statistics that would demonstrate the alleged “criminality” of black people or make blanket statements that do. I suppose you “don’t recall”.

“Statistics don’t “make something true”. They simply measure frequency of a behavior or characteristic.”

Well, if they don’t “make something true”, why argue from a point that supports statistics?

“I haven’t done that. The statistics support my case and refute hers.”

I thought statistics don’t “make something true”.

So pretty much you found “statistics” that prove your bias so they support it, and you claim “the statistics” refute hers. That’s convenient.

“What is her “evidence”??? She hasn’t provided any that would support the claims being made.”

Well she gave specific cases from her job experience which, as I recall, dealt directly with working with specific people charged with specific sorts of deviancy, all in an attempt to make the point that black people are no more defective than white people are.

What I want to know is, where is this magical evidence that supports YOUR case, right here?

“No. I don’t. Small sample bias applies to her anecdotes because shes only dealing with a few people taken or over a short period of time. It wouldn’t apply to large numbers of people or taken over an extended period of time.”

I think, in the Zimmerman thread, you pretty much said that it did, and it proved things about black people as a whole. Which is it?

Yet you claim that the statistics that support YOUR case WOULD apply to large numbers of people and were taken over an extended period of time? Again, how are the statistics that prove your claims any more valid?

“FIrst, the only one who has done any debunking is me. And, second, I never said statistics can be used to predict behavior. I said they’re used to measure behavior or characteristics.”

Yeah. I’m sure you were the ONLY one. Out of everyone in this thread, you were the only one.

“No. I said, “You can’t possibly be this dumb.” I still don’t believe you can be as dumb as your comments suggest. I think you’re being “willfully ignorant”. That means you are pretending to be dumb in order not to accept a valid argument.”

My comments suggest I’m dumb because I’m arguing with you? Well that’s a cute little gem right there. Do I really have to copy and paste the lovely things you have come up with?

And I hardly believe your arguments have ever been valid, except for the one where you said statistics couldn’t be used to make conclusions about entire groups of people…at least until I realized that black people didn’t count under that.

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on Wed May 9th 2012 at 20:23:31 duckduckgoofs

@Ace

I see evidence as things like facts, statistics, logic, etc. Whereas you obviously see evidence as anecdotes and “discourse” based on unfounded assumptions. I’m not interested in playing those rhetorical games right now. But I appreciate you sharing your opinions with me. I’ve really enjoyed our exchange. Maybe we can do it again later.

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on Wed May 9th 2012 at 20:24:52 duckduckgoofs

@Sam

“Boo hoo, you did hide behind false statistics and did not even know it”

Maybe so. But if you’re right then they have all the western experts fooled, too. So unless you have a smoking gun I’m going with them.

Source:
Crime in the Soviet Era. Federal Research Division, Library of Congress.

“According to Western experts, robberies, murders, and other violent crimes were much less prevalent than in the United States because of the Soviet Union’s larger police presence, strict gun controls, and relatively low incidence of drug abuse.”

Who you are kiddin? During prohibition it was fashionable to hop into to the dozens of opium dens in NYC. In Hollywood in 1920′s movie stars put up parties where drugs were used openly.

I don’t think 1920’s opium dens are relevant to modern cocaine trafficking.

Feds were able to trace over 1,4 billion dollars on that alone. And that was all sicilians in NYC, Mid West and Philly. Small potatoes, eh?

1.4 billion is small potatoes in the US. And, once again, I don’t think 1960s heroine is relevant to modern cocaine trafficking.

I think the DEA knows a little more about the history of drug trafficking than you do. And they have a nice timeline called Illegal Drugs in America: A Modern History that summarizes the major periods.

Enforcing New Drug Laws 1919-1950.
“These controls, domestic law enforcement, and a societal shunning of these much-feared substances combined to largely eliminate heroin and cocaine from American life for close to half a century. With each passing decade, drug use so declined that by World War II, drugs were viewed as a largely solved social ill.”

Rise of the Modern Drug Culture 1960’s-1970s.
“By the 1960s… When many of the 76 million baby boomers embraced not just drugs, but also dealing and trafficking, the drug culture exploded”

The Return of Cocaine and the Rise of Cartels 1970s-1980s.
“During the 1970s, cocaine reappeared. The price dropped steadily, and by the mid-1980s, six million Americans used it regularly.

By then, drug mafias based in Colombia were powerful, well-organized, and entrenched. When their middle-class customers began to shun powder cocaine, these criminals refocused on traditional inner-city drug markets. They introduced crack, an intensely addictive and relativley cheap form of smokable cocaine, setting off America’s most devastating drug epidemic.”

The DEA Today 1990s to Present.
“The sheer magnitude of new addicts and street-level dealing, along with the extraordinary wealth and power of the Colombia and Mexico-based drug mafias posed a gigantic national challenge.

Today, drug gangs from Mexico dominate many aspects of the American drug trade. In the late 1980’s, the cocaine mafias turned to long-established drug traffickers along the 2,000-mile Southwest border to help smuggle cocaine across to America. For decades, small-time Mexico-based mafias had trafficked in marijuana and black tar heroin. In the 1980’s, thanks to Colombia-based traffickers, they expanded into cocaine and became far more powerful. Paid at first in cash, by the late 1980’s, the Mexico-based gangs were being paid in cocaine. And so, they began to carve out their own distribution systems. In the mid-1990s, traffickers from Mexico further expanded into methamphetamine, a market they quickly came to dominate. Starting on the West Coast, they have been rapidly expanding, saturating region after region with this highly addictive drug. Like other traffickers who preceded them, the traffickers from Mexico depend on high levels of violence and corruption.”

As you can see, it’s exacly like I said with the following noted correction:

“Drug use in the 1940′s was miniscule compared to today. [Cocaine] wasn’t common until the 70′s and 80′s. By then it was dominated by South American cartels not mafia. So that long book you wrote about the mafia is irrelevant.”

Once again, I think the DEA probably knows a little more about the history of drug trafficking than you do. So unless you have a smoking gun I’m going to have to agree with them, too.

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on Wed May 9th 2012 at 20:45:20 cleonette

@ Duck

“The statistics support my case and refute hers.”

What stats refute my experiences? Please indicate them here because I even remember asking for research about it because there was a lack thereof. Besides I said there was a high level at my job, I even gave the specific numbers and I did not compare them to society. What the heck is wrong with you?!

I remember you clearly state in the blog about Zimmerman that Trayvon was casing houses to rob yet I have not seen you come up with any evidence to back that up either. You are a racist who doesn’t like to be called a racist. Need a stat for that? 99.9% of the crap Duck say on here is either racist, bigoted, prejudiced, wrong, a lie, a copied and pasted stat, an attack on POCs, things that support racist views, or nothing positive about POCs. How about that stat? Need context to support that stat? Just look around but only if you are white because black people are not objective, right? We are not the proper judges of racism.

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on Wed May 9th 2012 at 21:18:31 duckduckgoofs

@ Cleonette

I was responding to Ace’s comment about what was being discussed on the Open Thread. I would rather not have the same discussion scattered amongst several different threads. I’ll respond over there.

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on Thu May 10th 2012 at 06:39:09 sam

@duckduckgoofs:

“During the 1970s, cocaine reappeared.”

See? It REappeared. It did not come out of the blue. Cocaine had been fairly popular in 1910’s too.

“By the 1960s… When many of the 76 million baby boomers embraced not just drugs, but also dealing and trafficking, the drug culture exploded”

And you said that it began in 1970’s.

“Maybe so. But if you’re right then they have all the western experts fooled, too. So unless you have a smoking gun I’m going with them.”

Yes they do, if these so called experts go along with soviet statistics. Many do not, including experts on soviet history.

“So that long book you wrote about the mafia is irrelevant”.

Really? Well, not according to your FBI and government who made the Cosa Nostra their main target back in the 70’s. But perhaps they did not know shit from shanigans?

As for the mexican “gangs”, you do know that those so called “gangs” include the mexican government officials, federal police and military members from generals down? You do know that Los Zetas were originally members of the army special forces? You understand that the drug war that is going on south of your border is not between the good state who wants to stop it and bad crooks who do not? It is a war for the control of the multi billion dollar trade which is financed by the vast majority of drug users in USA, that is the ones who have the money, which is majority of the population and those who really do have money. Guess who they are?

“1.4 billion is small potatoes in the US. And, once again, I don’t think 1960s heroine is relevant to modern cocaine trafficking.”

Really? Your government did not nor does think so. And just to let you know, the Cosa Nostra heroin operations went trough form 1950’s up untill 1980’s. In NYC alone there were estimated 200 000 – 500 000 heroin addicts in 1980’s alone. But I guess, that is nothing at all.

And just to widen your horizon, N’drangheta is considered by many to be the most powerful mafias at this very moment. That is the calabrian mafia. One napolitan camorra clan controlled the whole blue jeans trade in the state of Florida for a while, worth of some hundreds of millions of dollars, this was discovered by accident in Italy during a another investigation (Roberto Saviano, Gomorra). Camorra also runs most of the toxic waste disposal busines in Europe.

Like the magistrate Giovanni Falcone once said: “When we hear nothing from the Cosa Nostra, that is when we should get really worried. That means everything is working well for them.”

And in conclusion: where are those black organized criminals in your quotes? That was the point you tried to put forward earlier. Mexicans, yes, I said so too. Columbians, yes. I agreed on that too. But where are those home grown black american crime organisations? Yeap, that was my point.

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on Thu May 10th 2012 at 07:21:38 Ace

@ Duck,

“I see evidence as things like facts, statistics, logic, etc. Whereas you obviously see evidence as anecdotes and “discourse” based on unfounded assumptions. I’m not interested in playing those rhetorical games right now. But I appreciate you sharing your opinions with me. I’ve really enjoyed our exchange. Maybe we can do it again later.”

No you don’t, or else you wouldn’t be so inconstant, hypocritical, downright false and unwilling to answer any questions that call out the bias in your “arguments”. You also implied I was “dumb”, “willfully ignorant” etc, yet you claim you’re reasonable. If I were black you’d probably feel you won something from that. I always find it funny how, when “logical” people like you can’t back up your statements or explain them in ways that are actually true or consistent, you decide to take your toys and go. In fact, I’m sure I can compare some of this to the examples in Abagond’s post, and I’ll probably get a bingo.

@ Cleonette,

He thinks that it’s okay to use statistics about black people but not white people. That’s pretty much what it is. He thinks your experience was “false” and “refuted” because the “statistics” don’t prove it. Which is a complete flip from what he said in the Open Thread, which I pointed out to him, as you can see. I apologize if I stepped on your toes by asking about that, my main thoughts were thus: if you argue statistics can be used in one case without providing extra evidence, but completely refuse to believe the other case, there’s hypocrisy there.

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on Thu May 10th 2012 at 08:01:36 jw

This post reminds me of a similar topic,that you already wrote about.

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on Thu May 10th 2012 at 20:15:53 cleonette

You see, I already have people like him figured out. His arguments have about the same value of purse lint. He argues his points simply because he is racist, no other reason. He is not here because he is concerned about blacks in general. His arguments indicates that he just thinks of black people as a problem for whites and how POCs inconvenience whites. We should all assimilate into American, white culture, or worship them. It’s a bully concept. Try to beat me or join me, but if you get close to beating me, I am gonna call all of my friends and get you!

The very people who represent the upper crust of our communities, come to this blog; people who really don’t fit into his stereotypes. None of the people that he likes to bring up in his stats are here so why bring it up here to people it really doesn’t really apply to. The intelligent, educated, respected, upstanding, etc., who only share a skin color with the people involved in his beloved stats; why here and why us? It’s because it kills him that we are intelligent, educated, respected, and upstanding among many other positive traits. It kills him that we do not fit into his stats. He doesn’t wish that the people in his stats were more like the people in this blog. He wish the people in this blog were more like the people in his stats. He see every black person as less than no matter who they are. If he didn’t, why is he here arguing with the people that are not like all the “bad” people he complain about?

He knows this is a safe environment here, behind his computer screen among the educated POCs who don’t fit into his fave stats and stereotypes. I dare him to go outside and go up to someone who perpetuates any of his stats and stereotypes and spew it to their face. If he comes out alive, I would like to hear about it. But we all know he will end up like that man here in Alabama saying all that racist foolishness and ended up in the hospital beat within a inch of his life.

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on Fri May 11th 2012 at 18:16:25 Adeen

@Dave
I am a Black teenager and I don’t think all Whites are bad. Whites are like everyone else:some good some bad. I, just like Blacks hate racist Whites not Whites in general
@Cleonette
I agree with you 100%. That is the reason why A lot of Whites not all Whites hate Michelle Obama and the Obama family. They are a smart, intelligent family that doesn’t fit the sterotypes out there about Blacks.
I am not racist but I am telling the truth.
I am sick of people in America downgrading racism and others denying it. Racism does exist and when he acknowledge it exists, well we can try to get rid ot racism for good. Racism is a ugly and vile sin.

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on Wed Jun 20th 2012 at 21:43:07 NeedsMoreDiversity

Reading through this I see a lot of anti-white racists hating on the white race. God damned double-standards. Non-whites do not belong in Europe, the past is no excuse for your continual failure, I don’t care even if you are able to work and not commit crimes; Africa/Asia/wherever you’re from needs you. All you ever see if whites doing humanitarian work.

Overwhelmingly it is whites who are doing everything to help out non-whites. All whites get in return is their countries being overrun, being told they are racist for wanting to preserve their heritage and purity and have their own nation, and being discriminated against all the time for not being “diverse” enough.

The only way to preserve true diversity of cultures and peoples though is for everyone to stay in their respective area and respect borders not globalization and swamping all white countries out of existence. Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, White Countries for Everybody? Anti-racist is a codeword for Anti-white.

You know it. All of you are just economic opportunists, who you don’t care about anyone and especially not people in your own homeland, here to get a free ride off of white success.

If you had any respect for other races you wouldn’t intrude upon them, constantly make demands of them, and try to turn the place into a copy of where you came from while you’re at it. I won’t be surprised if you call me a racist because I’m white and care for my own people, but I fully support all people of other races who live in their own homeland, follow their own way of life, speak their own language, etc. All tribal peoples are A-OK to me.

Since I want to save the indigenous population of Europe from egalitarian marxist traitors trying to destroy us all and create a One World Government where whites except for Jews have been bred out of existence you’re going to hate me. You will ignore the double-standards it takes for you to do this though. In reality, those of you who oppose whites having a homeland of their own, who don’t even want to bother you in your nations, and would even trade with you and maybe accept migratory workers are the racists.

You set back this world with your backwards hateful thinking. Cowards and free-loaders will continue to run to white nations instead of staying home and fighting or working to bettering the situation in their country. Refugees are not really refugees, they never ever go back, and the immigration system is always abused. Nobody should ever immigrate on a permanent basis to a continent their ancestors did not originate in. There is no need for it and it just creates ethnic tensions and eventually ethnic cleansing when things get really bad in the country.

Stop hating whites, love your own people, we don’t want to bother you in your country, we don’t really hate your race we just hate the ones giving us problems. If a white man (more likely a jew) is giving you a problem in your nation you have our hearts with you. Just stop harming whites that aren’t part of the globalization problem, know yours (and ours) true enemy, and focus your hate on them.

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on Wed Jun 20th 2012 at 22:06:19 SomeGuy

@NeedsMoreDiversity

Ok, cool. So, that means all Europeans in Africa, exploiting all those natural resources can pack up all their sh!t and take their behinds back to Europe. Let’s see how long you last without zinc, gold, copper, oil, diamonds and all those precious things that you’ve gotten used to and that are scarce in “White” territories.

And don’t even think of any snappy comebacks about the lack of African technology, because if all the professional African America engineers, doctors and scientists went back to Africa, they could open schools and spread all the knowledge they’ve acquired.

Try finding natural resources that easily, bro. Ain’t going to happen.

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on Thu Jun 21st 2012 at 00:43:40 Sharina

Abagond was so kind as to say white “racist” this time and they are still too stupid to get it. All I can say is WoW!!!!

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on Thu Jun 21st 2012 at 02:35:32 brothawolf

Wow! There are so many things wrong with NeedsMoreDiversity’s comment, I don’t know where to start. Then again, why should I? He did most of the work himself. lol

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on Thu Jun 21st 2012 at 02:37:25 Sharina

@ Brothawolf

I agree. It is that type of stupidity where you have to sit back and just laugh.

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on Thu Jun 21st 2012 at 02:44:11 truthbetold

” If you had any respect for other races you wouldn’t intrude upon them, constantly make demands of them, and try to turn the place into a copy of where you came from while you’re at it.”

Wow….

All I can say is ….
EXACTLY.

***end sarcasm***

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on Thu Jun 21st 2012 at 02:47:47 truthbetold

@ Someguy

And they wonder why????

http://diaryofanegress.com/2012/05/30/why-i-no-longer-keep-white-friends/

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on Thu Jun 21st 2012 at 02:49:32 brothawolf

Truthbetold,

” If you had any respect for other races you wouldn’t intrude upon them, constantly make demands of them, and try to turn the place into a copy of where you came from while you’re at it.”

LOL! If this isn’t a classic case of projection and hypocrisy, I don’t know what is.

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on Thu Jun 21st 2012 at 04:01:27 SomeGuy

@truthbetold

A few days ago I read all of your blog posts. I didn’t comment, but enjoyed your insight. I hope you continue to update it.

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on Thu Feb 28th 2013 at 14:55:25 Jack

White people are emotionless cut throat ruthless people who will step on and over anyone to get what they want.

They have no sense of family, once grandma is 72 she is placed in “the home” and rarely visited.

They are all about the haves and the have nots, if you can’t do anything for them they could care less about you. So don’t try your luck asking for a favor.

When it comes to hard work history show’s that white people aren’t strong enough to get the job done themselves. Whether it be the blacks who brought this country from being a joke economically through the cotton fields, or it be the Asians who built the rail roads expanding this country west, where the white man sub sequentially, killed, raped, and stole land from Native Americans and Mexicans.

At the end of the day the white man has no moral fiber and currently over seas killing and lying for oil. This is a people who will kill, Iie and sabotage to get what they want. They are to to be trusted, not with your money and especially with your life.

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on Thu Feb 28th 2013 at 15:00:49 Jack

But even though certain people aren’t to be trusted love the all the same. Just love them like that cousin who has sticky fingers. Love him but don’t take your eyes off of him for a second

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on Mon Sep 23rd 2013 at 18:06:55 Nature's Classroom: Slavery as a Scared Straight Program?

[…] Twitter) that most of the former students and parents who enjoyed the program and who don’t “see what the fuss is about,” appear to be white or non-black people of color, so wouldn’t understand why some might find […]

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on Mon Sep 23rd 2013 at 18:09:11 Nature's Classroom: Slavery Re-enactment, a "Scared Straight" Program?

[…] Twitter) that most of the former students and parents who enjoyed the program and who don’t “see what the fuss is about,” appear to be white or non-black people of color, so wouldn’t understand why some might find […]

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on Sat Nov 23rd 2013 at 04:19:05 tika

Every thing that we are Has and Is Conditioned into our very DNA Via torture Torment Degrading mistreatment & fear ….How can one progress if the world around you is made up for you to fail? where jim crow laws where put in place to do a number on the already damaged minds of A Great race (African Race) deliberate search and Destroy …smh wow thats some Creepy shit…NEVER FORGET WE!!! (((the decedents of slave’s never asked nor did My African ancestors that were stolen from our land)))!!! to come here too be among u evil monster alien creepy weirdo freaky pasty face cannibals…yuk wtf are you kidding me

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on Wed Mar 26th 2014 at 22:57:36 Yoseph Rez

God. These comments are absolutely hilarious.

Anyone who has to refer to themselves as an “intelligent white” is clearly lacking in said faculty.

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on Wed Apr 2nd 2014 at 18:47:57 Raziel Jaffarri Bey

This is some white supremacy thinking here. Try this truth from one of your own scholars. Guess you’ll debunk the truth to support your illusional way of thinking. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mSASrzCuBw&feature=em-share_video_user)

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on Wed Apr 2nd 2014 at 19:08:17 sherlont

Reblogged this on uniqueperfection.

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on Mon Aug 10th 2015 at 00:38:39 magnus

We have to set aside away from blacks, just to proove we are smarter than them with an awesome leader to go make all the factories we need to outproduce them.

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on Wed Feb 3rd 2016 at 14:30:36 tayefosterbradshaw

Totally reblogging this!

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on Mon Jun 27th 2016 at 20:44:54 Josh Hughes

I live in the “dirty south” and the majority of violent crime is committed by blacks. I would say that the demographics 70, 20, and 10. White, black, and other. I do stereo type, and I am a little racist, but really who doesn’t prefer to be surrounded by their own race. I try not to judge people but when I’m working and drive through the projects and there are guys between the ages of 20 and 40 walking down the street or sitting on their porch that I pay for (taxes)its hard not to. I have friends who are black and brown and they are great providers father’s and intelligent people. I don’t think the problem is necessarily race but the government that has brainwashed them and supported them. They don’t seem to understand that the Democratic party wants them to be reliant on the government, thus having their vote. But what is so shitty about the whole situation it that it is another form of slavery that they are oblivious to and when you try to explain. I realize that that our background is apples to oranges but any fool can see that they are just being taken advantage of by tax payers money for their vote every four years. If they think all these wealthy white people, Hillary, Lynch, Pallosy, Ried, Warren, care about their well being, they are fools. Do they really think that they mingle with black and Hispanic folks in their neighborhoods/mansions, no. They are simply a number like the rest of us. Racism is not dead, but it is not near as prevalent as it was in the 50s and 60s. Wouldn’t it be great if we could unite and take our country back a one people instead of the separation that is being force fed to us

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on Mon Jun 27th 2016 at 21:21:06 sharinalr

Josh Hughes

I don’t see myself building a bridge with an in-the-out the closet racist. Learn something about blacks people and then return.

1. Blacks choose the lesser of the evils in politics. They are clear that dems are no more for them than Republicans.

2. Has it occurred to you that those young blacks might actually be off from work that day you saw them?

3. With white people on government assistance and welfare I would think you would be equally as willing to let them know the dangers of government slavery.

Did I miss anything?

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on Tue Nov 22nd 2016 at 03:27:11 RobertSalvador

You know the facts: crewseenonfixation is common sense

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on Tue Nov 22nd 2016 at 05:38:37 Afrofem

@Josh Hughes

” Racism is not dead, but it is not near as prevalent as it was in the 50s and 60s.”

Right after Hard Right White Supremacist is named president-elect, “Josh Hughes” comes here and tries to gaslight other commenters with worn out platitudes about how much better it is now. Hah!

“Josh” racism is alive and kicking in all areas of American society. You may be fooled, we are not.

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