US White nationalism (1776- ) is the belief that the US should be by and for White people. Some, not satisfied with the US, want to try again, creating a new White ethnostate in North America.
The two kinds:
- Explicit White nationalism – speaks in open terms, saying stuff like “Jews will not replace us”, “white ethnostate”, “white genocide”, “black-on-white crime”, “immigrant invasion”, “Reconquista”, and the 14 words: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”
- Examples: alt-right, neo-Nazis, the Klan, VDARE, Stormfront, Christian identity, Identity Evropa, American Renaissance, Council of Conservative Citizens, Richard Spencer, David Duke, Dylann Roof, Robert Bowers, Wade Michael Page, Pat Buchanan, Steve Sailer, Kevin MacDonald, Jared Taylor, Peter Brimelow, Republican candidate Art Jones, Congressman Steve King, Madison Grant, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson – and “the very fine people” at the Charlottesville riot.
- Implicit White nationalism – speaks in dog whistles, like “Make America Great Again”, “Make America Safe”, “our country”, “clash of civilizations”, and “globalist”. Above all, it avoids the word “White”.
- Examples: Republicans (see below).
In Whitespeak, “White nationalist” means just the first kind.
Like with racism, most White people in the US seem to believe in the implicit kind – after all, the country was founded on it – but somehow regard only the explicit kind as bad or dangerous.
Scapegoating: Despite the Asian brain drain, hundreds of years of Black slave labour and then more than 150 years of cheap Black, Latino, and Asian labour, despite most of the country being built on Native land, somehow White nationalists still see people of colour as being bad for the US, as the cause of its ills.
Anti-Semitism: Some, but not all, White nationalists see Jews (“globalists”) as the greatest threat of all to White people. Thus Hitler – and thus Robert Bowers, the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter.
Their huge policy issue: immigration.
The Republican Party is now the party of White nationalism. Trump did no worse in the midterm elections that just took place than Obama or Clinton in their first term. That means Trump is no longer an electoral fluke but the new normal for Republicans: the Border Wall, the Muslim ban, family separation, fear-mongering over refugees, Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria, etc. He has lost little Republican support for any of it.
It comes as no surprise, not after 50 years of the Republicans’ Southern Strategy of whipping up White racist fears to get votes, and with Whites set to become a minority in less than 30 years.
Richard Spencer says explicit stuff like this:
“We conquered this continent. Whether it’s nice to say that or not, we won. And we got to define what America means, we got to define what this continent means. America at the end of the day belongs to White men.”
Does Donald Trump disagree with that?
Neo-Nazi tactics: Trump even uses the two main neo-Nazi tactics:
- Fear-mongering: Instill fear of the unknown.
- Scapegoating: Blame others for the troubles of White people.
And he uses one more: White Christian identity politics.
– Abagond, 2018.
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You can blame you blame them.
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Reblogged this on Project ENGAGE.
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bigbig40boy = a low quality troll spewing nonsense again.
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Says the leftwinger freak baby killers.
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Lol, says the Democrat freak party
GAYS, FEMINIST, HOMOSEXUALS, ATHEIST, DEVIL WORSHIPPERS, AND ABORTIONISTS.
The party of the Devil.
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@ Big Boy
It’s just embarrassing how bad you are at trolling. You need to take a remedial course.
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@Solitaire
His troll game is so weak. It is almost sad.
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@ Sharina
I hope for his own sake that he’s not a paid Russian troll because he certainly hasn’t managed to earn his daily potato.
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Trolling is an art. Do it too heavily, it becomes so obvious nobody feeds you. Do it too lighthly (my contributions to Conservapedia, for example) and nobody will even get offended
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Lol, the dumb ass Democrats can only come up with troll, you’re wrong on that leftwing hippies.
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Build The Wall and Just Say No To Feminist.
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Feminist should stay out of mens business and go back into the kitchens were you women belong then you won’t get sexually abused.
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I’m voting for Trump in 2020!
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Can you imagine America run by black people and women, It would be a pink homosexuality third world ghetto. Pink cookies.
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Ban bigboy. Not entertaining.
No big blue wave but at least the house flipped which should hinder Trump.
Watching liberals march for Sessions firing was a bit surreal. He is white nationalist. But I get the why behind it. Trump will put a crony in Sessions place.
There are still close races in Az and Fl and the Republicans of course are interfering with completing the ballot count.
In my state of California there were no third party choices on the ballot. It is preety much a one party state. I am optimistic about our new governor who understands tech.
I also like Colorado’s new governor as well.
So where does white nationalism go from here? It’s an old paradigm that has risen and transcends both parties.
I think some white Democrat voters are secretly supporting Trump.
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@ M JB
“In my state of California there were no third party choices on the ballot.”
Really?!? What happened? Granted it’s been over 20 years since I lived in CA, but there were always Libertarians and Greens on the ballot, often other parties as well.
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@Solitare
It’s called the “Top Two System”. So some this election cycle on the ballot were choices between two Democrats with no Republican challanger. And of course it also excludes third parties.
Voters changed this with the Democratic party behind it.
Naturally I oppose this lol. I’m a liberal but part of being liberal is being inclusive of other political parties.
http://amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2018/06/04/what-california-jungle-primary-means
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Edit: “So this election cycle some of the choices on the ballot were between two Democrats with no Republican challanger.”
I also need to correct that this kind of voting system originated with the Democrats. The proposition to change the voting rules were pushed by Govener Schwarzenegger who thought that this would help independent voters.
Anyway I think it needs to go ack to the way it ways with all parties on the ballot.
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@ MJB
Thanks for the explanation and the link. Wow, I’ve never even heard of this system, but according to the article California is not the only state that has it.
I agree with you, it does unfairly eliminate third parties.
I can understand, though, how this system could be seen as more fair because the top two vote-getters in the primaries are the ones who advance to the general election. But to see it that way, someone has to be thinking only in terms of the two major parties and not caring that the third parties are shut out.
I remember being impressed by the strength of the third parties in California (relative to pretty much any other state I was familiar with). How bizarre to see that change so drastically.
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@sharinalr
I cannot imagine how Abagond gets these low level trolls still… It is ridiculous given that they cannot even stay on topic nor create an argument using reasoning that (if White) their beloved Greek “ancestors” contributed to greatly.
I have, however, noticed a surge in unrealistic Black people who talk about the woes of the Democratic Party as if hatred and diminishing Black life is a two party system, mutually exclusive and bred based purely on your political orientation. Not one of them can explain what the Republican Party will do for them. Surely, mooching off the Black vote whilst denying them access to greater political power sucks, but my goodness, how is just abruptly cutting off social welfare programs without solutions to a long standing issue molded by a system that the dominant group of people has created ever appropriate?
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Then you may as well ban liberals on here too.
At least Trump is trying to stop the illegals from invading America. How many liberals would want illegals in their neighborhoods.
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@Bigboy
Thats what liberalism is. The free movewmnt of people’s, trade, products, ideas, money across boarders without restrictions.
Authoritarian left build walls to keep people in. Authortarian right builds walls to keep people out.
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@Bigboy.
You are safer if you live in an immigrant community.
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/is-illegal-immigration-linked-to-more-or-less-crime/
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Who made you the leader of black people?
What has the Democrats did for black people except welfare and ghettos. Black people fellow Democrats like flies after shit.
You don’t even have to say anything if you’re a Democrat , the gullible black people will still vote Democrat.
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Look at Afrofem and Mary Burrell two fine upstanding Negros defending the Democrats and homosexuality and i guess they love abortions too, it wouldn’t surprise me.
American women kill babies like it’s going out of style, its a Democrats thing.
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You can’t reason with a liberal.
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@ Big Boy
You’re at the wrong place. Everyone you’ve directly interacted with so far is not a Democrat.
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If White Supremacists believe they are so big and bad – let them go and “conquer” and steal another land mass – acquire some people to work it over to make them rich – and then build their massive wall, Which by the way, I don’t think they will need because no one of color is going to want to be where they are.
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@ dorisjean23
Let them have Antarctica!
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@ofbordelloandmen
Agreed. As much as white are losing their jobs for their racism you would think this recent troll would have a bit more tact. I guess he believes no one can get his IP address. Sign….he will learn the hard way. Then again this recent one might not have a job.
“Not one of them can explain what the Republican Party will do for them.”—And they never will. They know the republican party will do no more for them than the democratic party. Brainwashed maybe.
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@bigbig40boy
1) Democrats wouldn’t be begging for black votes if they were just giving them to them.
2) Republicans are NEVER presenting anything worth voting for them for.
3) I love abortions and wish you mother would have exercised her right to one.
4) had you been a democrat, then you might have taken advantage of educational opportunities.
5) “You can’t reason with a liberal.”–No you can’t reason with stupid. Which is why I don’t know why anyone is trying.
6) I am sure they could come up with more than trolling, but all you are doing is trolling and not presenting a logical argument. If you have one then present it so it can be refuted. However, I wager once refute you will whine about it so.
But be blessed and may Jesus, that middle eastern man y’all love to call on so much, have mercy.
@Abagond
I am sure you will delete this, but please also delete his comment calling Afrofem a she boon. Not to mention this obvious trolling is ban worthy.
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Close the borders and build the wall that’s the only way to save the working poor American jobs.
Vote Trump in 2020! They should send me to patrol the border, i don’t mind killing illegals.
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California is a liberal cesspool.
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You know white people built this country.
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Trump, Trump he’s our man if Trump can’t do it no body can! Just say no to liberal Democrats!
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If open borders Democrats win the Whitehouse in 2020 get ready to learn Spanish and we will have drive-thru abortions clinics, McAbortions.
No use looking for a blue collar jobs all the illegals will have them. Look at all the Government papers that is bilingual instead of making them learn English.
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@bigbig40boy, I know of someone who trawls the net looking for one special topic to troll. Are you like that, or are you a generalist? Trolls usually have one of two objectives: 1)to cause posters to engage with them rather than the topic or 2)by sheer volume of posts, to get posters to abandon the thread altogether. You seem the latter.
This is my first and last response to you. I’ll wait for Abagond.
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@ Sharina
He’s like Bobby M on meth.
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@ Richard_III : This big big 40boy: is probably a paid troll or a Russian troll or just some random weirdo that is a Trump chud that this current administration has emboldened to spew their hate.
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@ Abagond
I agree with Michael Jon Barker and Sharina that Big Boy has already earned banning.
I understand the whole philosophy of pet lizards and letting the sunshine in on their foulness and besting them in open debate. But Big Boy isn’t interested in debating or discussion, just freestyle trolling.
As Richard_III said, Big Boy seems to be using the tactic of flooding the threads with nonsense in order to shut down any discussion. It would therefore seem to serve no constructive purpose in allowing him to continue.
If you disagree about banning him, could you at least make him keep on topic, please?
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@ Abagond: This troll has crossed the line using the ugly word “she boon.” This is an ugly attack on a black woman.
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@Mary
If they are paying him, then they should ask for a refund. His troll game is comical and predictable.
@Solitaire
I don’t think that is meth talking. Just his stupid.
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@ Mary Burrell
I’m surprised that’s not a moderated word.
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@ Sharina: Low IQ troll not even a clever one.
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Didn’t Trump just declare that he was a nationalist two weeks ago? Then when the young black woman reporter at the press release on this pass Wednesday questioned him about that same statement he made he stupidly answered that her question was racist. This is how his twisted and narcissistic personality works it is so abhorrent.
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@ Solitaire
I deleted the she boon comment (and many others that were stuck in moderation). I will keep him on topic.
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@ Mary
Yes. That was part of what led me to write this post.
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As a black American man, I support the revamping of immigration in this country. It truly needs to be fixed because immigrants, legal and illegal alike, are taking advantage of this country’s immigration policies to the detriment of native born Americans. Beyond that score, I do not care one whit for white nationalism. By the way, immigrants from all over the world deeply harbor anti-black sentiments.
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In regard to this past Wednesday press conference with Trump it disturbs me to see a seasoned professional like April Ryan be treated so poorly by Trump and the White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Jim Acosta gets treated badly the current administration only because they question Trump and his gaslighting and lies and his evil administration.
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@ Abagond
Thanks!
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@Mr. Mitchell
What do you feel is a detriment to native born Americans? Not just jobs because most of them are taking jobs that “native born Americans” have deemed themselves too good to bother with. Now native Americans are the only true native born in my book so if a revamp happens we all need to be to be finding our natural roots out of this country. Though I will add that immigrants are having children in this country who are then or should be considered native born american.
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What’s needed is livable wages and universal health care. A comprehensive, education system would help also. Right now, for example, there is a dearth of tradespeople. Why not promote the trades? The wages are great in many instances with the trades Whingeing about immigrants is but a distraction to the real issues at hand…
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@ Herneith
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I read some time ago about how the average age of tradespeople and utility workers is over 45 years old. They have a hard time attracting young men and women. Many don’t even consider those very well paid (80k to 120k plus) jobs. They certainly qualify as family wage jobs.
A lot of young Black children are cheated of a decent education by the school system. They don’t have the skills or the guidance necessary to consider all options, including a lucrative and respected career in the trades.
As to universal healthcare, I recently read an article about how universal healthcare could lead to universal voting——-something that scares the minority party Repubs to death. The article notes:
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/heres-the-real-reason-why-republicans-fear-medicare-for-all/
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When it comes to the mediocre troll, Big Boy two thoughts come mind:
➽ This from Toni Morrison:
Is there anything more pitiable than a low quality troll with no arguments and no game?
➽ From Abagond:
Big Boy isn’t good enough to wipe the feet of the truly amazing and vicious trolls that commenters on this forum have wrestled to the ground. He is like a four year old yelling insults he doesn’t understand. As such, he (or she) does not deserve reasoned counter arguments, attention or further comments.
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Vote Trump or learn Spanish.
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Yes, they want a white ethnostate but that’s what they wanted from the beginning!
Charles Darwin:
Abraham Lincoln in 1858
Benjamin Franklin in 1753
William Shockley (Nobel Prize for Physics) in 1956
Susan B Anthony in 1869 reply to Frederick Douglass
The explicit statements of “fringe” white nationalists in 2018 are the explicit statements of respected leaders of society in 1820. The difference in what is allowed to be said aloud does not reflect a change in foundational principles. The ideas that underpin white national identity have to remain or there wouldn’t be a white national identity.
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@ Big Boy
Comment deleted. This is not Chimp Out. If you continue to imply commenters are animals you will be banned.
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@ Origin
The original White nationalists who formulated “White ethnostate” foundational principles thought they could steal land from the Native population and free labor from kidnapped Africans and remain a people apart from all others . They did not consider the natural consequences of their actions.
Famed Afro-Brazilan musician, Gilberto Gil, once described the thinking of White nationalists this way:
They planted the tree. Chopping it down will be more difficult than expected——even with power tools.
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i think trump’s team speaks russian and chinese i bet, but it’s a new show, american horror show apocolypse or whatever sheesh makes ya think,
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@Afrofem
“The original White nationalists who formulated “White ethnostate” foundational principles thought they could steal land from the Native population and free labor from kidnapped Africans and remain a people apart from all others . They did not consider the natural consequences of their actions.”
I had actually written a post addressing this from the perspective of how it emanates from the core of white cultural identity (an essentially cancerous, isolating concept of “self” which then seeks to grow by consuming “others”). I linked this to the untenable economic system and its ravaging of the environment – which it is ideological unable to reverse despite the existential threat – and concluded that the whole thing is coming down within the lifetimes of most people alive today. (Unfortunately, a computer error forced me to reboot without saving or posting it.)
But yes, they’re like a puppy with a long paralyzed tail who finally catches it and starts eating only to realize the truth when its back foot is about to enter its mouth. “They did not consider the natural consequences of their actions” and they still don’t. If they did then they wouldn’t be shocked that refugees from countries destabilized by the US government are showing up at the border. https://www.thenation.com/article/how-hillary-clinton-militarized-us-policy-in-honduras/
There are also going to be more refugees as a result of climate change which Western countries are believed to contribute disproportionately to. For example, hurricanes are likely to become more intense as the oceans gets hotter. If a hurricane such as Maria is linked to warmer seas then the many Puerto Ricans who had to flee the island after it was devastated by the storm are essentially climate change refugees. Expect more. People who live closer to the land will be hit harder and earlier because they don’t have food being shipped in from all over the world.
We’re approaching the era of consequences.
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OK I’ll be nice to your black buddies .
I love chimp out and YouTube they have more freedom of speech than this site.
Those sites aren’t in love with blacks, gays, feminist, illegals, Asians or any other leftwing pro black and pink groups.
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If the Democrats win the Whitehouse the feminist, gays, black liberals and illegals will go crazy.
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You non whites should pray that you were born in America.
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Thanks North Korea for removing my comment you made Mary Burrell happy, whites 0 blacks 1 in political correctness.
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I love Donald Trump because he doesn’t kiss people asses especially Democrats.
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Lol, Twitter, Facebook, WordPress is home of the leftwing ideologies.
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What’s the difference between WordPress censorship and China or Korea.
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https://www.goldenvisas.com/usa-e2-visa
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@ Origin
“…ideological unable to reverse despite the existential threat…”
I have pondered that aspect of Capitalist/European craziness for years now. I think about a group of people who tell anyone who will listen that they are “superior” or “high IQ”, yet have repeatedly destroyed their own natural surroundings for the illusion of wealth.
I’m in the middle of reading Mark Kurlansky’s (Eurocentric) historical examination of salt. In the book, Salt Kurlansky describes how the English denuded forests for hundreds of miles to provide fuel for their saltworks (boiling brine). The Americans in the Northeast degraded dunes and coastlines with their saltworks.
They are still at it today with the desperate exploitation of oil, gas, water, timber and precious metals on a global scale. We have the technology to move past fossil fuels, conserve water, regenerate forests and recycle metals, etc. Yet, a certain group is so driven by the ideology of grabbing more with no thought to consequences. They are driving every living thing to the brink of extinction (including themselves), but are unable to recognize limits or stop themselves.
In the end, it makes a person see who is richer and wiser: the “primitive” hunter-gatherers who live sumptously on the interest of their local surroundings or the “advanced” nation-states that consume the principal (resources) of their environment and experience extremes of poverty, overconsumption and discontent.
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You doth protest too much. You love all those groups you named elsewhat would be your reason to live?
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Hee hee hee… I am not, troll.
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Lol, dumb ass leftwingers, i wouldn’t vote for a Democrat if they were paying people.
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this guy 40 is becoming a real nuisance, but if you look here over the last few days, there have been 3 or 4 trolls popping up (and I dont go to the open thread!)
I don’t know, it’s hard to quantify but there is a definite vibe or something that seems to be pretty pervasive like anyone who reads how I’ve been really trying to keep the racism inherent in me down to a less than simmer, wow, i mean really stuff just pops into one’s head lately, really inappropriate things, words, it’s been just happening … nothing really happened in my relationship etc or on the street to justify it, I barely watch tv, just my 4 shows a week, and I read the news, facebook, and come here. it’s no rhyme nor reason to it, it’s a thing though, if you ask me, just out of the blue, and then i just wonder like wtf just happened it doesn’t connect to anything else or whatever, some wierd stuff, man….
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F all liberals you’re ignorant trolls with no purpose. Thump’s a damn fool who needs to be impeached. America’s failing because of the immigration problem BS. All these greedy politicians are stuffing handfuls of money in their pocket and leaving a poor in the middle to pick up the tab. Dumb suburban liberal got news, feminist got milk. Shut up and go build the wall that nobody’s going to pay for. The wall fictional it is only in the liberals dreams ( day dreamer’s).
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This should be the subject of a post, as this phenomenon is much more recent, developing in just the last 40-50 years or so. Whites have gained a heightened sense of awareness that they did not have before that.
White identity politics is about more than racism《/b》
A political scientist on the rise of white identity politics in America.
https://www.vox.com/2019/4/26/18306125/white-identity-politics-trump-racism-ashley-jardina
White Identity Politics by Ashley Jardina
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41861294-white-identity-politics
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Thanks for the links Jefe!
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Abagond,
I understand why, as a black man, you oppose White nationalism. I can respect that, after all, I, too, stand up for the interests of my volk.
But let’s be fair – can you really blame White Americans for not wanting to become a minority in the country their ancestors built for them? Look at what happened to the White minority in Rhodesia when they lost power. Look at what’s happening to Whites in South Africa now. White nationalism is a completely rational position for White Americans to espouse.
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That said, antisemitism is not rational. It’s not the fault of the Jews that mass migration is destroying the West, and many Jews, such as Eric Zemmour and Stephen Miller, are among the greatest nationalists.
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