Black Identity Extremists (2017), or BIEs for short, is the FBI’s name for violent Black anti-racists in the US. Micah Johnson, who shot police in Dallas in 2016, is an example. The FBI says it is an actual movement.
The FBI report on BIEs was sent to police departments in August 2017. It was not meant to be made public. Foreign Policy magazine outed the report in October.
The FBI defines BIEs in a mangled sentence as:
“individuals who seek, wholly or in part, through unlawful acts of force or violence, in response to perceived racism and injustice in American society and some do so in furtherance of establishing a separate black homeland or autonomous black social institutions, communities, or governing organizations within the United States.”
The FBI warns:
“it is very likely that BIEs’ perceptions of unjust treatment of African Americans and the perceived unchallenged illegitimate actions of law enforcement will inspire premeditated attacks against law enforcement over the next year.”
“Perceived” / “perceptions” – the report uses that language throughout. Racist policing is a “perception” of Black people. But “the BIE movement” is not a “perception” of the FBI.
Since the Ferguson riots in 2014 the FBI has feared that some Black people might take it into their heads to try killing police officers. In the past three years, six have. Thus the “movement”.
The FBI does not count “spontaneous” killing of police officers, just those planned and carried out for ideological reasons. Ideology can be determined by one’s links, likes, tweets, rants and searches on the Internet.
Do you suffer from BIE? Know the signs:
- Getting upset about police killings of Black people.
- Showing an interest in BIE or Black separatism.
- Calling for armed revolution or the killing White people.
- Planning to kill police officers.
Mental health was not brought up in the report, even though killing police officers is suicidal for Black people.
Moors: As the FBI tells it, four of the six got part of their thinking from the Moorish Science Temple of America. The Moors say they came to North America from North Africa before Columbus, and therefore long before the rise of the US government. Some are “sovereign citizens”: they do not see themselves as US citizens and do not recognize the authority of the US government or the police. Even before the BIE report, the government saw sovereign citizens as a terrorist threat.
Threat assessment: The BIE report comes out just as the Justice Department is pulling back on reforming violently racist police departments. There are, by the way, at least six known killer cops.
Black Lives Matter: The fear is that BIE will be used as an excuse to crack down on Black Lives Matter – Cointelpro 2.0, as The Root calls it.
Fox News is already using the BIE report to make people think Black Lives Matter protesters are violent extremists. For example, under the headline “FBI cites black extremists as new domestic terrorist threat” they show a Black Lives Matter protest:
– Abagond, 2017.
Source: FBI (the report itself), Fox News, The Root.
See also:
- BIEs
- Korryn Gaines – used sovereign citizen ideas
- killer cops
- Ferguson
- Black Lives Matter
- Cointelpro
- Fox News
- Black Liberals – this post has a good summary of the main schools of Black political thought
- White American terrorists
- If I kill a cop
- The invisible foot – on Black people’s neck
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Yet, white boys are killing cops almost every damn day.
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How timely.
This is sadly comical.
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“…establishing … autonomous black social institutions, communities,”
That sentence may be mangled, but very revealing.
Other groups in this country are celebrated for establishing autonomous social institutions and community structures. I’ve often heard or read some European American praise Asians and Latinx for their cohesive communities and cultural institutions.
Whether it is ethnic language schools, cultural centers, businesses or shopping centers staffed by and catering to Koreans, Vietnamese, Mexicans or Guatemalans, autonomy is cited as an asset. Those communities are praised as examples of what Black people could achieve if they weren’t seeking “handouts”.
Yet, that sentence reveals the deep seated fear of some White people at high levels of government of Black folk slipping the colonial yoke. To them, “violent Black extremists” are as threatening as healthy, cohesive and “autonomous” Black communities.
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@ sacmom2
“Yet, white boys are killing cops almost every damn day.”
And they often live to tell the tale…
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The ghost of Hoover…smdh
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I’m going to be a bit controversial here. In some cases I do think the media pushes a trouble with authority or dying by the hands of the law and black people objective to uphold a stereo-type and push hysteria making a community suffer even more. It’s up to you to do the deep dive research and discover what is presented in easily accessible media and what is not. This is not to take away from any the brilliant civil and historical information presented through the endeavors of Abagond.
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The irony is rich because not too long ago there was a report like this:
https://www.salon.com/2017/01/31/fbi-investigating-white-supremacists-infiltrating-law-enforcement-agencies-report/
So those with “black identity” [also known as “black people”] are being “extreme” if they hate/distrust an institution brimming with white supremacists. After all, we should know that they’re actually “very fine people”.
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Saw this meme on my timeline “The law system is like bleach; works perfect for white, But destroys colors.
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immediately i heard about this, and i thought ‘moorish americans.’ i’m unaware of any overarching ‘movement’
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@ TeddyBearDaddy
Good points. That was far from controversial.
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i guess in some sense it parallels the typically white ‘fringe’ conspiracy theorist so-called, ‘right wing’-ish; like the character ‘dale gribble’ in ‘king of the hill’… my brother in law is doing it the hard way, so i have some familiarity about it ie ‘moorish americans,’ again a contradiction in terms if you renounce your driving privilges and basically citizenship to become a ‘woke’, a ‘whole person,’ etc.
the corporations and then it’s down the rabbit hole into equity in the international banking system blah blah its too much for me at that point, anyway…
maybe some people are starting camps? who knows
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also a couple moorish friends on fb i talk to the one guy a bit about it all too
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Haha, I like in the report how they state separatism, or the want of autonomous (black owned) social institutions as a signifier of a BIE.They do not want Black Americans to start any positive political movement/ideology.
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Perceived/Perceptions So this the language being used in this era of fake news and alternative facts under the regime of 45 where troglodytes with tiki torches are seen as “good people.” Black people are being murdered by law enforcement and we are perceiving like this is just some figment of our imaginations. Black people protesting the death of black citizens by law enforcement makes black people enemies of the state just because we are asking stop killing us.
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Bear in mind Jeff Sessions is the head of the Attorney General office and the FBI report to him. This reminds me of what they did in the 60’s with Cointelpro and The Black Panthers. When black folks are demanding liberation and freedom the establishment will find a way to try and oppress. Black Lives Matter ✊🏿
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“In its report, the FBI noted it has focused attention “on individuals with BIE ideological motivations who have committed targeted, premeditated attacks against law enforcement officers since 2014,” citing six such cases and speculating that those isolated incidents may be part of a swelling trend that would lead others to do likewise.” – || https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-targets-black-activists-83628a5eb611/
A mere six cases of supposed BIE is a threatening ground swell according to the FBI’s or the alphabet police comical standards. But yet, within the same vein and perhaps resting at the core of the suspected six cases targeting law enforcement personnel: discrimination, racial profiling, injustices, oppression and police brutality are noticeably disavowed. In fact, within the FBI’s own crime database, 173 so-called African Americans were unjustifiably murdered at the hands of law enforcement in 2017 alone.
Due to the FBI’s own data, and the unabated frequency of the murdering of unarmed Black Americans, leads me to believe that there is unquestionably a clear cut case of White Identity Extremists (WIE) that exists with the confines or ranks of law enforcement.
No doubt, their collective objective is to murder innocent so-called African Americans and subsequently utilize this phantom BIE movement or platform as a precursor to kill even more of us. In short, they now have an official decree or excuse to do so. As the ROOT succinctly put it, “COINTELPRO 2.0.”
The United States of Amerika, has got to be the wickedest nation on the planet.
Cheap theatrics!
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@afrofem
In America, in most cases, political power is about demographic numbers. There are so many traumatic stories involving more marginalized (not enough of a population) groups around the country that don’t make it to CNN etc… And because of sheer numbers there is more instances of white people interacting and even having traumatic encounters with law enforcement. But the agenda is law enforcement and black people sensationalized in major media outlets first and foremost. But the percentage of these cases is still skewed in racial bias when it comes to percentage and demographics.
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So when black folks protest or file citizen complaints about illegal searches and seizures, police theft of property, police violence in the form of needless beatings and brutality; cases of blatant police disrespect for the dignity of black people and actual state-sanctioned murders by police, their names will be placed on the terrorist watch list by the FBI.
This whole is a lynching.
They’re simply trying to scare us.
And that’s good.
Because that’s when we wake up and becoming even more united when the devil shows his true colors
What can they do to us that they have not done already ?
Bring it.
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@ blakksage
“…there is unquestionably a clear cut case of White Identity Extremists (WIE) that exists with the confines or ranks of law enforcement.
No doubt, their collective objective is to murder innocent so-called African Americans and subsequently utilize this phantom BIE movement or platform as a precursor to kill even more of us.”
Yup!
However, their plan is neither cheap nor theatrical. It will cost Black people their lives and it is all too real.
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@ TeddyBearDaddy
Thank you for clarifying your statement upthread.
You make a good point that Southeast Asians, Pacific Islanders, Guatemalans, Hondurans and Salvadorans, etc. also face a great deal of police violence. Violence (beatings and murders) against those groups rarely makes the media splash that some high profile cases of anti-Black violence make in various media outlets.
You are also correct that, “because of sheer numbers there is more instances of white people interacting and even having traumatic encounters with law enforcement.”
One thing I notice when I visit the site, Killed By Police, is how many people of all ethnic and racial groups are being killed by police.
http://killedbypolice.net/
That site doesn’t compile information about the numbers of beatings, taserings and other violence, only the unfortunate souls who perished. A lot of that information is kept under wraps because if the full scope of their violence was known, perhaps more people of all backgrounds would take action to stop violent police behavior.
What do you think are the reasons for the media white-out about other groups?
Why don’t those other groups protest the violence against them?
Do you think they would also be declared “identity extremists” if they worked to end police violence against their communities?
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@afrofem
It’s to push the perception that there is something wrong with black people
“that’s why they have these types of confrontations with law enforcement on a regular basis”. It’s a conundrum by the media. You report the story to show the injustice but then you only look for one ethic/background scenario first and foremost to sensationalize. It’s sad and wrong at the same time. When you think the media is doing you a favor they also seem to be trying to uphold a vicious wrong stereo-type to the general public.
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@afrofem
And let’s face it, most South, East and South East Asians do not have the political power to fight the backlash. There were some vile mass killings/shootings involving some Asians in mid-west that did not make it to mass media outlets. Some are grateful for this because the backlash against such a marginalized group would be horrendous on a nationwide scale. You can google it if you want. I’ll give you a hint “Wausau, WI”…
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@ Afrofem @ TeddyBearDaddy
I’m aware of some protests by Native Americans, but those tend to only get local media coverage and only right around the time of the murder.
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@ TeddyBearDaddy
The shootings of Black people by the police get a lot of media because the killers are public employees. They are paid by tax dollars. That includes the tax dollars of Black people.
The shootings you are pointing to against various Asian groups seem to be carried out by private individuals.
Both types of killings are designed to create terror in the communities that are attacked. That is how the two types of violence is similar.
I disagree that Southeast and South Asians lack “the political power to fight the backlash.” I think the political power to change this situation for smaller groups can be found in forming coalitions with other people who oppose racially motivated mass killings. That is how to leverage a small population and amplify its political voice.
In the Seattle area, pan-Asian groups advocate for one another all of the time. Japanese American non-profits help build culturally appropriate housing for the Hmong. When some police harassed Vietnamese American teens some years back, the entire local Asian community backed them and forced the city to apologize. When a celebrity chef opened a restaurant with posters of ugly anti-Chinese stereotypes, local Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese Americans worked together to create a boycott. His restaurant closed after one year of their “cold shoulder”.
A lot of Asian groups that were traditional enemies in the “old country” find they have to work together in this country. Working together can be more powerful than you realize.
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@afrofem
Demographics matter more than you’ll ever think. Like I said most of the stuff detrimental against Asians, particularly Police killings, physical harassment etc don’t make it to leading news outlets. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-tommy-le-police-vietnamese-20171005-htmlstory.html
That man’s family probably won’t get any justice.
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(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Q0ueUDoBM)
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“However, their plan is neither cheap nor theatrical. It will cost Black people their lives and it is all too real.” – Afrofem
It is also quite evident that you missed the central point of my post. When you find some time of idleness, brush up on your comprehension skills. Understanding things of this world is quite an eye opener. I wish you well!
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@ blakksage
gales of laughter
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“gales of laughter.” – Afrofem
Our feelings are mutual to a certain extent. However, I encourage you to take your lack of comprehension skills more seriously. Have a good day!
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Just Cointelpro 2017.
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Even NPR uses this “perceived injustice” language when it comes to Blacks:
(http://www.npr.org/2017/10/13/557459193/trump-set-to-address-values-voter-summit-for-first-time-as-president)
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“Perceived injustice” (aka “what they see as injustice”) is just a way to try to gaslight Black people. What happens to Black community members is real, not perceived. They have played this “perceived” game for a long time, but Black people now have the video to prove the reality of bias and injustice..
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@ Afrofem
And it never ceases to amaze me how mainstream America tries its damnedest to deny the evidence, as if they’re trying to deny reality itself. Then again, rejecting reality for a virtual world of its own making is one of the hallmarks of mainstream America and White Supremacy in general.
If you’re hoping for the VR glasses to slip off at any moment, there’s a huge stockpile of Gorilla Glue and duct tape they have access to.
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@ Mack Lyons
So true. Even video “evidence” is not enough to jog them out of their alternate reality.
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Just to complicate matters: one of the approaches the Russian trolls apparently use is to set up fake accounts based on BLM:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/media/blacktivist-russia-facebook-twitter/index.html
It appears that the same Russian agency is simultaneously running fake accounts geared towards white supremacists:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/05/politics/heart-of-texas-russia-event/index.html
So it looks like there are at least two different potential infiltrators to worry about: the FBI and the Russian govt.
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You gotta wonder if the end goal of the Russians and their ongoing disinformation campaign isn’t to just discredit the notion of democracy by disrupting America’s democratic processes, but to foment a civil war in the U.S. by pitting BLM and its supporters against the alt-right and its supporters. That’d be a hell of a way to destabilize the U.S. and tilt the playing field in Russia’s and China’s favor.
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It seems there is a disinformation campaign to paint BLM as unwitting tools of the Russians.
Buzzfeed, a hipster site of record, has an article that is a mish-mash of skimpy evidence. The article, “These Americans Were Tricked Into Working For Russia. They Say They Had No Idea” paints Black activists as dupes for “the “American Department” of the St. Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency”.
According to the article, the Russians allegedly funded rallies, self-defense classes and websites where they posed as Black American activists. This was typical:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rosalindadams/these-americans-were-tricked-into-working-for-russia-they?utm_term=.ywlgmDVEd#.uo9yjOK0X
Several parties are smeared in this article:
✦ the “nefarious” Russians
✦ the “dumb-as-a-bag-of-hammers” Black activists
✦ the “inattentive” social media platforms
This campaign reminds me of the constant refrain by White supremacists during the Civil Rights era that Black activists were “communist dupes”. This is a more sophisticated disinformation campaign. It is designed to undermine Black activists by sowing doubt and confusion.
It also pressures social media platforms to censor Black and Left political speech lest they play into the hands of the Russians. Google and Facebook have been particularly aggressive in censoring Black and Left voices.
Black Agenda Report described the effects of Google’s censorship recently in this article:
https://www.blackagendareport.com/google-censors-the-real-left
Of course, there are the obligatory swipes at the Russians. There is skimpy evidence to back up the claims in the article. It could be the Russians or it could be anyone with money and time on their hands who want to suppress Black activism. That would be a long list.
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@ Afrofem
I would not blindly trust that Buzzfeed report. It is based on a report by RBC TV in Russia, which from what I understand is not free of Putin’s influence.
On the other hand, I did check out one of the websites they said was set up by Russian trolls, blackmattersus.com. Some of the English did seem like it was translated from another language – like non-idiomatic English and strange word choices that were off. In one article, there were missing the‘s, which is a common mistake native Russian speakers make in English.
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@ Abagond
“I would not blindly trust that Buzzfeed report. It is based on a report by RBC TV in Russia, which from what I understand is not free of Putin’s influence.”
Agreed. That is why I referred to them as, “a hipster site of record”. I think of them as a US government propaganda outlet.
Parts of the article seemed based on flimsy evidence. Also coming so close on the heels of the FBI report makes the BLM/Russia connection in the article highly suspect.
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The second article I linked to above, the one on the Heart of Texas, described right-wing white secessionists, racists, and Islamophobes who were also drawn into activities like public protests through websites now suspected of being Russian fakes.
So if the whole Russian sabotage thing turns out to be true, all sorts of people got taken in — and keeping that narrative at the forefront is important. The Buzzfeed article should have given equal time to white people who were fooled just as badly if not even worse.
I say “if not worse” because I noticed that the individuals interviewed by Buzzfeed were not wholly gullible — they all had growing doubts and noticed red flags that led them to either break off contact or ask enough pointed questions that the alleged Russians ghosted.
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eading all these comments I just have to speak up controversially against majority of the comments here. First of all I agree to the fact that there’s serious racism in America and that whites tend to be more racist than blacks.
But I care less about the whites. I’m largely indifferent to them I only see people based on their personalities n not race. My concern is with the blacks and how they respond to racism. Responses here clearly shows that you guys don’t understand the white man. First if your claim is that majority of white cops are racists, then why do you act surprise when there’s a police shooting? And if your claim is that majority of govt institutions have been hijacked by white supremacists then who are you guys complaining to? And if the white men are demons you make them to be what are you doing about it? So far the best blacks have come up with is black lives matter.
Now the core value of BLM (which was even started by a white)makes sense, but it has time and time again fallen into traps and has discredited itself in the process because some people used it as a medium to air hate speeches, riot, loot people. instead of focusing on purifying blm, they keep throwing blames back at whites who try to point those out.
It’s sad because I think a lot of blacks feel very comfortable playing the blame game. Rather than blaming and blaming why not focus on the more pressing issues which is common among blacks which is for blacks to unite in a single front, stop black on black crimes which is way more than police brutality and then like an arrow tip pierce the hearts of the true racists in America. until blacks do that for me it’s an endless circle you running and what’s painful the most is that innocent people die.
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For instance, this post talks about BIEs and majority of responses sound like they are defending extremism. Instead of talking about what makes blm not a BIE you throw back the racism blame again. What if there are truly elements of racism in blm and other black groups? What are you doing counteract it? Once more you have taken the bait and black groups will keep getting less credibility in the eyes of America.
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@Diza musa, you appear to be just another incoherent troll. Tell me something, have you ever checked out the FBI’s own statistics regarding white-on-white-crime? Whites are killing their own kind at a rate of 84% of the time, hence, Stephen Paddock. For Black-on-Black crime, it’s at 93%, therefore, your so-called concerns or proposal is in fact an empty gesture or better yet, fake as hell! So, quit worrying about Black-on-Black crime and turn your concerns towards your own people. After all, White Lives do Matter, … don’t they??
By the way, have you ever wondered why the Amerikan government or the FBI (aka, alphabet police) never deemed the KKK, neo-Nazi, neo-Confederate, even some police officers or the Skinheads as White Identity Extremists (WIE)?
Well, I’ll tell you what I think. It seems to me that the FBI has came up with this ruse of an idea of so-called BIE simply as an excuse to justify further killing of Black men, even if they’re unarmed.
Move on Diza musa, you’re an underpaid agent it seems!
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
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@ Diza musa
You are smoking some pretty powerful joints laced with acid.
Enjoy your trip!
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@blakksage
Lolz your response are so predictable, first of all I’m not a troll. I’m black but African. I’m well aware that there’s something like white on white killings. The difference is that they take more responsibility and try to clean up their mess more than blacks (watch discovery) and this post is talking about blacks and not whites if you want me to talk about them I can do that.
“By the way, have you ever wondered why the Amerikan government or the FBI (aka, alphabet police) never deemed the KKK, neo-Nazi, neo-Confederate, even some police officers or the Skinheads as White Identity Extremists (WIE)?” – if you read my comments very well I never said racism doesn’t exists or white supremacists doesn’t either but the fact that they exist doesn’t mean we should use that as excuse to tolerate extremist views among blacks. Most sensible whites hate kkk or disassociates from them.
@afrofem yeah it makes me think smarter am enjoying my trips except the acid part.
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If blacks don’t take responsibility for their own as they should they will become easy pickings for white supremacists.
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@ Diza musa
It’s simple. The issue is just, the white supremacists, but the entire foundation of all places (nations and continents) operates on a back drop of a white supremacy system. I want to be free of this system altogether. I think BLM is weak and doesn’t have the incite to do much.
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@TeddyBearDaddy
“I think BLM is weak and doesn’t have the incite to do much” – that is exactly my point. And BLM is the biggest coalition formed by blacks. White supremacists or as more recently the alt right groups are far more advanced than BLM. Blacks keep falling for the same bait over and over making it easier for them.
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Watch Jared Taylor an alt right activists debate wilfred reilly a black professor in political science in Kentucky state university. The debate took place in KSU a predominantly black college ( I stand to be corrected) in front of predominantly black audience and yet professor Reilly still lost the debate. In short he was torn into shreds. I’ve not seen any BLM leader that will be able to intellectually match Jared Taylor.
What we need are a new crop of enlightened and intellectually sound black activists and not emotional activism.
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@musa
I highly doubt any White Nationalist can hold a candle to anybody with a bit of a
brain in intellect. I know for a fact that a piece of joke such of yourself could ever hold a debate to any serious posters here.
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@Diza musa
What you white nationalists have to prepare for is an globalized people of color coming after you and your white supremacist agenda and campaign. There will be blood and your people will still continue to be genocided. I’m sorry.
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My concern is with the blacks and how they respond to racism. Responses here clearly shows that you guys don’t understand the white man.
You’re right, we need someone like you to edumacate us!
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@TeddyBearDaddy
I am not a white nationalist for Christ sake. What you posted just confirmed what I said in my first comment. I am an African but yet I can spot the issues inherent in the black communities and for spotting them out you call me a white nationalist. Well-done!!
Either you misunderstood me or I don’t know.
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@Herneith
That has been my point and for some reason they call me a white nationalist. Look up the debate in my previous comments and you will realize that we blacks really need to up our game.
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@Diza, you are headed off towards the deep end in a hurry. I noticed that you responded to everyone except yours truly. Therefore, quit deflecting and get back to my original questions? Which was, ….
By the way, have you ever wondered why the Amerikan government or the FBI (aka, alphabet police) never deemed the KKK, neo-Nazi, neo-Confederate, even some police officers or the Skinheads as White Identity Extremists (WIE)?
What are white people doing collectively to combat this senseless phenomenon referred to as White-on-White crime?? Personally, it really breaks my heart to see white people killing each other on a regular basis without reason.
(Diza: aka, sticky notes and stapler replenisher; on demand coffee-maker; errand and water-boy as needed; on-call printer and copier associate; on duty package weigher; stock room organizer; napkin dispenser as needed; ink cartridge/toner swapper.)
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Diza Musa
I am rarely here but even reading your comments there are a lot of white nationalist red flags. Whites that pretend to be black often fail to realize code words in what they say give it away.
Fyi there have been and may still be other Africans and non-american blacks on this blog so you may want to skip the assumptions.
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There are still plenty of white supremacists living in South Africa. Someone could truthfully say they are African and yet still be non-black (European or Asian in ancestry).
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Solitaire
Very true and casually slipped my mind.
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@Diza musa
You think I’m an idiot? I’m not black nor African btw. But the coding in your language, as another poster mentioned, is a dead give-away of your true intentions. Jared Taylor and any other white nationalist are complete idiots. They are cunning sociopaths that can never win a debate against any opposition.
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@ Sharina
Hey, how are you? Missed seeing you around here. School going ok?
Didn’t see until after I posted that Diza musa said “we blacks” in the comment right above yours. So maybe I’m off base. Or maybe they only said that to avert suspicion, after leaving it up in the air in earlier comments. Who knows?
At any rate, it does seem odd that a black African would trot out the U.S. black-on-black-crime argument.
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@ Diza musa
How about providing a link for that debate at KSU?
And maybe also give us some explicit examples of Jared Taylor’s compelling intellectual arguments.
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@solitaire
You can check it out on YouTube link here
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KqoqN4kXk3s)
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@Sharinalr
I avoided terms like we in the comments because I’m not American, I’m a black African. As black as you guys. If it’s Africa you want me to talk about i will tell you what Africa’s problem is, it’s corrupt politicians and governments and a mix with post colonialism. But post colonialism should not have brought african countries if they had strong leaders who stood for their people.
Do you know that in south Africa’s xenophobia more Africans especially Nigerians were killed than any white. Now this is an issue and needs to be addressed by we Africans.
Is it a crime to identify problems within ourselves First before we face outsiders?
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I don’t know if anyone tried to understand my point before labelling me a white supremacist. Maybe because I’m too scientific here. A scientist identifies a problem before solving it. In identifying problems names have to be assigned to facts and facts that I listed are that – blacks kill more blacks than white kill blacks, that we don’t like taking responsibility for ourselves, that we are ill prepared to take on white supremacists intellectually and politically, that BLM is not doing enough by focusing on cops cases only. All these are facts. After identifying them we need to find solutions to them.
But right now what you guys are doing are merely name calling people which doesn’t stand against a white supremacist who already prides in that name.
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Really?
So the NAACP, HBCUs, Jack and Jill, the Congressional Black Congress and 100 Black men don’t matter?
Indeed.
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(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqoqN4kXk3s)
As usual, skip to the comments for maximum LULZ.
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@Diza must: You are a white supremacist you are not fooling anyone.
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@Diza musa: I wouldn’t be surprised if you were s Russian troll coming to this forum with your anti-black rhetoric.
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@ Satanforce
Thanks for the link.
Seems a rather obscure video for a black African to just happen to stumble across. But what do I know? Maybe Diza Musa regularly monitors Stormfront for anti-black hate speech and got it from one of their links. /s
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@ Solitaire
“Maybe Diza Musa regularly monitors Stormfront for anti-black hate speech and got it from one of their links. /s”
Yeah, right. LOL!
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@Afrofem: I suspect this Diza musa is just a white supremacist troll.
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@Afofem & Solitaire: Google Diza musa he is an African with a YouTube supposedly he’s in the entertainment business in Africa.
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@ Mary Burrell
Scroll down the Google results and there’s several Facebook profiles for different people named Diza Musa or Musa Diza.
Still could be a white supremacist who just pulled the name off the internet.
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@Solitaire: You are right who knows. I am still maintaining it’s a troll.
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@ Mary Burrell
Pretty sure it’s a troll of some sort.
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I think these two comments were stuck in moderation a long time:
Also Diza Musa provided a link to the video before Satanforce did, but apparently it was also caught in moderation and so I saw Satanforce’s first.
@ Diza musa
I meant no disrespect by thanking Satanforce for the link to the video; it was only that yours didn’t appear for a long time.
If you really are who you say, a black African, may I ask why you seem to have a higher opinion of white people’s response to crime within white communities? Such as in your statement: “they take more responsibility and try to clean up their mess more than blacks”
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In order to defeat an enemy you must be able to think like your enemy and understand him.
As one comment says, you guys clearly don’t understand how white people think. I stumbled across the video because I go in depth in research about stuffs before drawing conclusions and solutions even if it means watching anti black videos.
I’m not begging you guys to believe I’m African but at least understand what I’m trying to say that blacks approach needs to really step up. There’s something fundamentally wrong with our approach.
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@satanforce I maybe wrong about BLM.
@solitaire I don’t have a higher opinion of whites, they commit even worse crimes than blacks (like the ones shown in discovery IDX). One that caught me is a boy who killed his entire family just because he wanted to get their money or so. I could go on about the bad side of whites forever. The point is every side has its bad side and since we are talking about blacks and not whites my discuss has to focus on problems within the black culture.
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Diza musa
It wasn’t the lack of WE that gave you away, because I don’t use WE when I emphasize what blacks need to work on. What you spoke on is common to anyone who frequents an African blog or reads. So I am not convinced you are telling me anything African that I don’t already know from African commenters here. So no I don’t believe you are black African as I have never heard too many Africans refer themselves as such.
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Solitaire
School is going great. Got a class I hate this semester, but this chapter is almost over so I am thankful for that.
The big read flag for me is that most Africans I speak with refer to their ethnicity. Ie Nigerian. That was a major read flag for me. Not to mention we have had several people speak on what blacks need to fix, but some white obsessive and some in a manner of beat the white man. He is a bit too white obsessive to me. Focused more on not being as good as the white man and less on playing the white man’s game if you know what I mean.
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Diza musa
Thing is I understood clearly what you were saying just like I understood how quick I were going to switch it up when called out. You complain of name calling and no one understanding, but you fail to realize you are not the first or the last to take your approach. So people have less patience for bs. Just as you clearly explained yourself to take a victim approach, you could have easily done so in the beginning. Just as you claim to be a scientist, then you realize that all factors must be accoubted for in solving a problem. With the discussion being on any oppressed group, it is foolish to ignore a factor such as white supremacy and the effects of slavery and colonization on the mentality.
This post doesn’t appear to be on black people and what they need to fix. This post is on how whites use further methods to oppress and silence.
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Even when you look in the media, you hardly ever see black people making things , workking, or engaged in a training montage like in Rocky, or Kung-Fu movies. Of course, this will have an effect on the minds of people who only see black people through these media.
Maybe all Black people should learn Kung fu to start.
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effing typos (Please replace original Abagond.)
Some comments. Not related to anyone in particular.
Being a black man who has spent most of his life in a majority black country, I feel like an alien from outer space whenI look at America. Or someone from an upside-down alternate dimension. For example. When I see phrases like:
or the like, from (usually) white posters, it tells me one very important thing. Black Americans are implicitly, not considered as American citizens. They are thought of as something other, usually mere dependents with theiir hands out, but not as people who are considered American citizens. Even when you look in the media, you hardly ever see black people making things , working, or engaged in a training montage like in Rocky, or Kung-Fu movies. Of course, this will have an effect on the minds of people who only see black people through these media.
But there are also black people,who look at white people, and get the wrong ideas. They see white people, and get colourstruck. So when I something like
I have to my scratch my head. I look at that last part and say, yes! We do need a new breed of technocratic, high-tech, highly disciplined, politically aware black man. Not some Michael Eric Dyson wannabe who wants to “diversify” or whatever crap liberal concept is in at the moment. Instead, we need clones of Carl Stone and Arthur Lewis for the new millenium who will develop wealth (not income) and make linkages from Missouri to Mozambique. So if white banks don’t want to give black Americans money, African credit unions will see the economic viability that is there. And I’m sure Caribbean and African software developers can find a decent market for video games in America, and vice versa.
However, if we look at the first part of the above quote, you can’t get from there to my scenario. We have people who prefer avery calm idiot, over a very loud idiot, because the very calm idiot is able more able to use misleading statistics. In other words, the calmer, whiter idiot won the Tone Argument. Connect that with the second quote, and you end up with a generation of blacks that do not act in their own interests, but rate themselves by their ability in comparison with white people. In other words – Black People: The Asian Edition. Economic Prosperity without the Political Power for it to matter, never mind the a black version ofteh bamboo ceiling. This type of thinking is prevalent with Very Serious Blacks, black Con-servatives and Black Immigrants Who Came Here With Nothing. They lack the ability to go from the purely metaphysical to the moral, technical and strategic goals that black people must achieve that are unique to there various situations in the world.
They are like those guys who thought they could fly by strapping wings to their arms and jumping of cliffs. We all kow how they ended up. At least until we figured out aerodynamics, and made planes that were better than birds. So its time to stop to stop trying to be birds, and be pilots of our own destinies.
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@ satanforce
“… a generation of blacks that do not act in their own interests, but rate themselves by their ability in comparison with white people. In other words – Black People: The Asian Edition. Economic Prosperity without the Political Power…
This type of thinking is prevalent with Very Serious Blacks, black Con-servatives and Black Immigrants Who Came Here With Nothing. They lack the ability to go from the purely metaphysical to the moral, technical and strategic goals that black people must achieve that are unique to there various situations in the world.”
Agreed.
There is also the factor of learned helplessness which is a direct result of sustained and extreme violence dealt to African Diaspora individuals and groups over the past 500 years. Whether on the Continent, in the Caribbean region, or in the Americas, Black people who started on the path to self-determination were hammered down without mercy.
Think of all of the Maroon Wars of the past 400 years that occurred from Brazil to Jamaica to Southern Florida (aka The Seminole Wars). In each case there was a conscious and concerted effort by Euro-descendants to remove the “rogue elements” of Black people who wanted to be “pilots of their own destinies”.
Haiti is a case in point. The Euro Powers That Be (EPTB) are so terrified of the example of a free group of Black people that they have waged a relentless war of theft, propaganda and aggression against the Haitian people since the early 1800s. Even to this day, Haiti is occupied by foreign troops whose express purpose is to keep the EPTB boots on the necks of the Haitian people. The ability to loot Haitian resources and exploit Haitian labor without resistance is important too.
US history is full of examples of Black folk repeatedly trying to establish economic, political and social power centers in their own communities. In the post Civil War era up to the Civil Rights era, there were direct violent attacks on those Black Americans who dared to try out their wings. Since the Civil Rights era, the EPTB shifted tactics. Now the preferred methods are community demolition (Urban Renewal), drug epidemics (Crack), mass imprisonment and gentrification.
Black people languish, not from lack of trying, but by deliberate effort by other people with a vested interest in keeping Black people (throughout the Diaspora) off balance and on the bottom of a global economic system.
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@ Diza musa
“you guys clearly don’t understand how white people think”
Could you elaborate on this? What do you understand that people here don’t?
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@Diza musa
”…it has time and time again fallen into traps has discredited itself in the process…”
Sure, because this world is a place of distruction and distraction. Anything that has been started shall come to an end or to its ultimate form.
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@Diza musa
”…you guys clearly don’t understand how white people think…”
Absolutely, for it’s impossible to fathom something non-existent, e.g. a race-based thought pattern. As it was said by Confucius, ‘It’s a hard task to see a black cat within a dark room. Especially when there is none’.
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@sage
We need to just start copying and replacing their words with the white version when they come around.
@hernieth
Or Combat Pistol. There is a reason The Spook Who Sat By The Door was put out of circulation for over 30 years. And why they teach you about MLK Jr. but not about the Deacons for Defense. We must remember that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And that moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.
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(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxtMoaV42n8)
More relevant than ever for you people. Read the comments.
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@Sharinalr
I am an African. Nigeria is not an ethnicity but a conception designed by the British colonial powers for their own interests. If I tell u my ethnicity it would take 10 years before you understand it.
Nigeria has over 500 ethnic groups and most don’t have anything in common. Currently the biggest security issue in Nigeria is not only Boko Haram as the media makes you think but also the Fulani herdsmen genocides. You can google that up. They are a semi nomadic tribe in the British handed most powers to because they tended to be more submissive than the predominantly Christian tribes in the south. The current president of Nigeria is a Fulani.
There has been tension in Nigerian in areas where the Ibo tribe are and a call for secession from the Nigerian state. The predominantly Christian biafra secessionist groups have claimed marginalization by the British controlled predominantly Muslim Hausa/Fulani north ever since the end of the Nigerian civil war. Nigeria is on the brink of another civil war and if the secessionist groups prevail this time around I wouldn’t be calling myself a Nigerian.
So yes Nigeria is a name not an ethnicity or even a nationality.
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Like I said before I no higher esteem for whites or low esteem for blacks. But yet I would acknowledge any great achievements from any groups. Be it from the orientals, Arabs, blacks , jews etc. But I acknowledge them as a human accomplishment and race would be the last thing on my mind. But since we’re talking about one group oppressing another, then I have to sight examples from within that group.
I give you an example, in Nigeria the ibos are known to be the most industrious and successful people in Nigeria in terms of businesses. We make references like ‘you think like an Ibo man’ when we are talking about someone who is succeeding in business even if he’s not an Ibo. Does that means ibos are a higher breed of humans than the remaining tribes of Nigeria? No !
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It is a known fact that
1. Black Americans view racism slightly different from native Africans.
2. Blacks in Europe view racism slightly different from Americans.
When Africans emigrate to America we see it as a land of opportunities where dreams can be actualised. We tend to integrate and do very well given the harsh conditions we came from. So we view America with a much more appreciation.
I know systematic racism exists but I wonder if it’s too extreme that it prevents blacks from achieving greater heights. At least your former president was black.
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@Diza
What about the Yoruba?
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Diza musa
Like I said. Most Africans I know do not refer to themselves as African. You can write an essay all day and night in hopes it will have sway, but the more you talk the more I call b.s.. Most if not all you say is anything a white nationalist troll can find online. It does not matter if it is a European derived name. The point is that not one African I have spoken to has called themselves African. This is a fact found on any blog with focus on those who live on the continent.
Don’t assume how long it will take me to understand your ethnicity. The mere fact you chose to tells me you have none to present anyway.
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Chose not to*
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@ Sharina
Every African I’ve met in real life has been proud to state their ethnicity and to explain as much about it as their listeners want to hear.
Of course, that’s just my experience and it’s possible that not everyone feels that way. Perhaps Diza musa has a reason for not wanting to discuss it.
But I agree with you that it seems unusual.
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@ Herneith
“What about the Yoruba?”
My thoughts exactly. This phony African, “Diza Musa” tears a bigger hole in his/her mask every time he or she writes.
This talking point is also a serious red flag:
“When Africans emigrate to America we see it as a land of opportunities where dreams can be actualised. We tend to integrate and do very well given the harsh conditions we came from. So we view America with a much more appreciation.”
Straight from the White Supremacist “assimilation” handbook. It is the same drivel another unrepentant White Supremacist wrote on another thread recently.
Also the silly assumption that the “knee-grows” on this forum are so ignorant that they don’t know the difference between a continent, a nation-state and ethnic groups.
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Diza musa
This comment here https://abagond.wordpress.com/2017/10/10/black-identity-extremists/comment-page-1/#comment-383154
Is oozing with white nationaliat rhetoric. Your # 1 is a known fact and your #2 is like a duh moment where I wait for you to realize that you have said nothing….and I mean nothing that has not been heard before.
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@ Sharina
First of all, good to read your thoughts again.
Second, thanks for further unmasking the phony African, “Diza Musa”.
“Don’t assume how long it will take me to understand your ethnicity. The mere fact you chose [not] to tells me you have none to present anyway.”
Aye!
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Solitaire
Yeah. I will admit that some people like to remain anonymous, but his comments are laced with way too much white racist rhetoric for it to be a coincidence. I mean dude had the nerve to say orientals. WTF
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@ Solitaire
“Every African I’ve met in real life has been proud to state their ethnicity and to explain as much about it as their listeners want to hear.”
Same here. You can’t shut them up.
I don’t blame them for their pride. It is something for African/Black Americans to aspire to someday.
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@ Diza musa
You have a valid point that no American will fully understand your ethnic background just from you stating what it is. Yes, it could take 10 years and we still wouldn’t understand it the way someone who is of that ethnicity understands what it means.
But I posit to you that the same thing can be said of what it means to be an American, and more specifically what it means to be black in the U.S.
You said: “When Africans emigrate to America we see it as a land of opportunities where dreams can be actualised. We tend to integrate and do very well given the harsh conditions we came from. So we view America with a much more appreciation.”
This is a very different experience from what it is like to grow up in the U.S. and to be taught about those opportunities and dreams from earliest childhood but at the same time to see all around you that people of different races are treated in different ways, that you aren’t really considered a full first-class citizen, that even if you achieve such a high success as president of your nation you will still be subjected to blatant racism including death threats.
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@ Afrofem
There’s also an unusual amount of the broken Africa stereotype in his/her remarks.
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@Heneith
Your question was addressed to another participant, but pls consider the fact that Yoruba make about 21% of the total population in Nigeria. The geographical borders of Yorubaland don’t coincide with those of Nigeria.
Also, the Yoruba empire was more like a confederation of separate state cities.
All these facts put together make me to reconsider a valid definition for an ethnicity, which is obviously something different from thhose based by race, culture, nation or religion (cf the minzu definition for ‘nationality’ under the constitution of the Republic of China, where the Hui minzu is defined by their Islamic belief rather than by ethnicity, language, etc.)
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I actually know some Yoruba people. I constantly ask questions as to their culture, history and viewpoints in general. I also know Rwandans and Ghanaians in particular Ashanti. As Afrofem says they love to talk about their backgrounds. These are highly educated people as well (not that that means anything).
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“an ethnicity, which is obviously something different from thhose based by race, culture, nation or religion”
Culture is a huge part of ethnicity. People who understand themselves to share a specific ethnic identity generally have many cultural traits in common (food, stories, music, dances, customs, social practices, kinship patterns, etc.) and point to those cultural traits when explaining what it means to be their ethnicity.
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Igbo fetishism is usually a dead giveaway. The fetishism for Igbo is strong with them.
They don’t seem to realize that we can study ,like they can study us. But that is the arrogance of their subculture.
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@Herneith
A mixture of ethnicities, or one of ethnicities with a particular backgrund, would complicated phenomenon, something difficult to describe in a phrase or two. An irrelevant ethnicity of African background is also a phenomenon which is difficult to describe.
American cultiure is that of self-boasting and self-marketing. From what I’ve learned about Igbo culture, it;s more reserved, caring, tacit and socially responsible..
Also, an ethnicity within an African frme could be constructed as a set of complicated relationships to many subcultural groups, not obvious for an outside observer
Or an idea of ethnicity itself could be something absolutely irrelevant within a particular African cultural frame.
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@ Diza musa
“If it’s Africa you want me to talk about i will tell you what Africa’s problem is, it’s corrupt politicians and governments and a mix with post colonialism. But post colonialism should not have brought african countries if they had strong leaders who stood for their people.”
So does every African nation have corrupt politicians and weak leaders?
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@ Solitaire
Africa is a country.
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The yorubas are largely indifferent towards the struggle for secession. They are relatively content with their position in Nigeria. After all Lagos, Nigeria’s economc hub is their native land. The major struggle is between Hausa’s/Fulani and the Ibo’s.
The Yoruba’s practice 3 religions, Christianity, Islam and traditional religion.
About 43% Christians and 45% Muslim’s. The remaining are traditional worshippers.
The ibos are more difficult to rule. They tend to be arrogant and the British had difficulties with that. Even before the British came they never had any fixed central government only autonomous villages runned by the igwes.
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@ Abagond
Sorry, I forgot. 😉
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@Abagond & Solitaire: I see what you did there. 😉☺️
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lol that was the last meaningful interchange i had with tbt/diary the yoga set coming around asking about yoruba
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@nagpo, considering you’ve told us your name means ‘black’ then is it your proclivity to ‘black magic{k}?’
“Absolutely, for it’s impossible to fathom something non-existent, e.g. a race-based thought pattern.”
it is totally possible, and it needs work to circumvent or obviate it, things pop into my head constantly of what i’ve heard, what i’ve been told, what i’ve seen on tv, that is not correct, sir.
sublimation, you must understand that,
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wow i just can’t even pin down a good example, let me think for a minute
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@v8driver
My nickname here (not name) has at least two meanings, one of which is ‘black’, that’s right. As for ‘proclivity to ‘black magic(k)’, that depends mainly on what you define as ‘black’ (which is not always the same thing as ‘evil’ or ‘wicked’ or ‘malicious’, etc.), and what you define as ‘magic(k)’ (which, again, cannot be always easily told from ‘advanced technologies in applied [mass] psychology’).
All in all, the meaning of ‘black’ is broader than that of Manichean dichotomy of ‘good’ and ‘evil’ in many traditions, especially in those Post-African ones. Here I prefer to be primarly neutral.
I do have some relations to some lineages in different traditions (which could be (Post)-African or not), and I had some initiations in this life and body of mine as well, but, as I have told before, I don’t have any firends in O.T.O.
I do have some relations to Golden Dawn, but that differs from the O.T.O. and a way coplicated to be explained on this site, which I attend mainly for fun and a happy life after my third divorce.
An example of what? Sublimation? Whom was that saying addressed to?
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@ Afrofem
I wish more people would realize this, so they don’t do the stupid thing and assume that our problems are 100% self-inflicted. Case in point:
And here, Diza musa spouts off the same boilerplate argument that countless whites and black immigrants who make the mistake of seeing themselves as somehow superior to black Americans have regurgitated for decades. All to make black Americans feel as if it’s only themselves keeping them down.
If we’re finally browbeaten into believing that, it would finally take white American society off the hook for its role in hindering black progress.
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@ Diza musa
Your writing about different groups in Nigeria still shows you to be a phony.
Your mask is slipping…slipping…slipping….
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@ Mack Lyons
Everyone in this country is immersed in a pool of anti-Black propaganda. It is cottage industry that fattens the wallets of countless think tank “fellows”, academics and journalists.
Much of the ideology of White Supremacy rests on notions of the “despised other”. There seems to be a group everyone can toss their psychic garbage on and feel purified of human error, failings and responsibility. In this country, Black folk are relegated to that garbage dump.
In other places, denizens of the dump may be the Roma (all of Europe), the San (Southern Africa), the Dalits (India and the Desi Diaspora), or the Burakumin (Japan). All of the groups at the bottom of their respective societies face constant violence. Every aspect of their culture mocked. Each group is told that they are the cause of their own oppression.
Learning history is one way to avoid being browbeaten into believing the the propaganda. At least for me it has been a way to understand the whys and the hows of White Supremacist ideology. History has been my primary deprogramming tool.
Learning history has given me a deep appreciation for the strengths of Black people: adaptability, creativity, endurance and utter persistence in the face of seemingly hopeless situations.
Since Black people are human, there are self-improvement challenges. That is true of every group. Yet, with all we have to do, I’m still amazed at our history of trying again and again to build healthy identities, families and communities——like at this critical historical moment.
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These white people know very well what day it is. They play ignorant, they aren’t. They feign ignorance so as not to be perceived as racist or white supremacist. They harp on ‘black pathologies’ (as if they don’t have pathologies), whatever deflections at hand to sustain their white supremacy. Black people have come far given the hideous treatment meted out to us. I’m with Afrofem on that. This is how I prefer to see it, with that being said, I am under no illusions that everything is hunky dory…not by a long shot. We are very resilient as a people given our history and even currently.
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@Herneith, Afrofem
“We are very resilient as a people given our history and even currently.”
Indeed, many of the people who got treatment similar to ours are no longer here on this earth.
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@nagpo: talking to you, I am familiar with thelema and GD. sublimation, the eagle, etc, look it up.
so is it black as in opposite of the norm or phenotype (skin color)
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@v8driver
I’m not a big fan of the Thelema, to put it mildly.
Let’s just take ‘Russian Nagpo’ as a synonim for ‘Black Russian’ for the sake of simplicity. Which, again, could be just a drink.
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From where I sit, the term Black Identity Extremism is an attack on the Black community, Black men, and Black women. It meant to destroy anyone who advocate justice for Blacks and POC. It’s also an attack on Black women activists such as the founders of Black Lives Matter or just simply being outspoken.
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@afrofem
If you think am trying to prove what I am to you your wrong. I could careless what you think I am.
The issue like I mentioned earlier is that racism still exists as a fact. But the problem is how blacks responds to it. That is the point of pressure.
The white man has mastered this craft long ago when they first came to Africa and have expressed their hate towards blacks in various forms. The biggest racists are not the kkk or black killing police. The real racists are the ones working behind the scenes.
They know anytime a police kills a black person and blacks go on demonstration, they can easily discredit. Examples of cases are Sandra Bland case, Michael Brown’s and even oj Simpson’s. Does it comes as surprise to you that the term them black extremists is used to describe black groups? Because some of the police (and I say not all) are just foot soldiers and puns. They are just used as distractions because they know exactly how black groups would respond to every police brutality on blacks. Now you have people discrediting blm as extremists. Now they can decide to provoke another police incident and cause angry black youths to protest angrily and loot and vandalize and perhaps carry weapons and then they’ve hit jackpot-the excuse they were looking for to outlaw blm. And in your country you know very well they can do it, that is why I mentioned at the beginning that blm has been taking the bait and will lose this way.
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@ Diza musa
I find it interesting that so many White people and their allies harp endlessly about the Black Lives Matter coalition. They drone on and on about how “violent”, “extremist”, “racist” and “threatening” Black Lives Matter activists are in the scheme of things.
None of those labels are based in fact. BLM activists have shown great restraint and self-discipline in the face of extreme provocation. Perhaps that is why bigots detest them.
The Movement for Black Lives/BLM have one central demand: that the police stop killing Black people. It is that simple. Within that simplicity is the idea that Black people have a right to life, human respect and self-determination.
Perhaps that is why bigots attempt to paint BLM as an extremist coalition. They still view Black people as a “species of property” with no rights, whatsoever. Therefore, when Black people demand an end to the slaughter of our community members, fearful bigots project onto BLM the ugliness that is inside of the bigots themselves. To bigots, Black people existing people free from State violence is a revolutionary concept.
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I stumbled across something ta-nehisi coates was saying regarding his book ‘between the world and me’ (i guess when it was about to come out) and took some heart to his definition of categorization of ‘those who choose to identify as white’ (para.)
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/tanehisi-coates-between-the-world-and-me/397619/
Otherwise, it’s kind of difficult to refute martinez prima facie ie from a historical perspective. processing please wait!
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It is not the action but the reactions they are after. For instance in order to paint Latinos as bad people, they would rather ban drugs. They know anything illegal creates smuggling, gangs, crimes, competitions etc. And when these gangs go into war, they finally get the much needed excuse to ban Latinos from America.
The pattern is create an action in order to cause a reaction and use that reaction as the excuse to carry out their real intentions.
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If you think am trying to prove what I am to you your wrong. I could careless what you think I am. – Diza Musa
Well then, why do you post?
The white man has mastered this craft long ago when they first came to Africa and have expressed their hate towards blacks in various forms. The biggest racists are not the kkk or black killing police. The real racists are the ones working behind the scenes. – Diza Musa
You know what, on second thought, phuck you! My mom told me this when I was a child: When a crash test dummy goes in to action, watch, listen and take notes because you could learn a lot. Therefore, keep it up with your matrix inducing posts!
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oi, so, anyway, i’m not trying to get all psychologically deep and theoretical, it’s been summed up as has been described here as not all whites, but the caveman, and trogs in the caves of the mediterranean or whatnot, the pyrnees, and of course clay men and all that fun stuff, it’s just off the rails and promoted by religions a lot, ham, jephath, moe larry and curly and all that fun stuff, given me tbt/diary flashbacks!
but i have trotted it out and wasnt able at the time to go next order like some raskolnikovian superman ie ‘badge and gun’ mentality, that is certainly true in the military industrial/contractor revolving door
that’s my main angle or i guess what i can think of to keep me sane, or close to tolerance as possible
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