Some say that commenter resw is a troll. Others say that I just cannot stand being disagreed with. In either case, the subject is swallowing up other threads. So:
Going forward, the question of whether resw is a troll will be discussed here only and be off topic elsewhere (except for whatever post I might do on it).
Take the poll and/or comment below:
Thanks!
Update (June 27th): I banned Resw and Nomad.
Update (June 28th): There has been a surge of No votes. During the first seven days of the poll, 15 voted No (out of 99). Over the past 25 hours, 38 have voted No. The Yes vote has dropped from 65% to 47%.
See also:
- Internet trolls
- trolls past:
- xPraetorius
- Jacques
- No Slappz
- Asplund
- threads with the most resw comments:
- Open Thread (2017)
- The Isis Papers (2015)
- alt-right (2016)
- Hillary Clinton for president (2016)
- Programming note #30 (2016)
I voted “Not sure.” Because:
1) Trolls happen to be more inclined to ask loaded questions than resw has done (for as far as I’ve seen his comments).
2) Moreover, trolls often have a more arrogant attitude than I’ve seen in resw’s words.
Apart from that, I could give my judgement on resw as a person writing here, but then I might make myself guilty of an undeserved ad hominem-attack. So I’ll pass on that.
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As I noted on June 12, abagond was trying to deflect from legitimate criticisms about himself on the “Abagond used to be great but has devolved” thread. And this is proof positive.
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@resw
Just a question: why are you still here?
Maybe it is me, but if blogger X would make such a blog-post on me, I would leave, pop up at a blog of someone that doesn’t like the blogger X either, and stick there.
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nope. going to have to disagree. resw’s criticisms have been right on point. and imo necessary
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of abagond. the stuff w An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach was before my time and i have no opinion on it.
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@Jeff Elberfeld
“@resw …Maybe it is me, but if blogger X would make such a blog-post on me, I would leave”
Yes, and that’s what blogger X wants– to silence anyone who catches him in his many lies.
I just caught him in his latest lie on Monday about Chancellor Williams and Chiekh Anta Diop:
And that’s the main reason abagond and his crew have increased their personal attacks yesterday and today. It’s well documented that they initiate personal attacks against me whenever I refute abagond or call out his lies/misstatements.
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difference of political outlook does not a troll make.
i for one hope that treacherous party blows itself asunder. it is not redeemable.
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Concerning resw being a troll, I will vote NO! I find her analysis or assessment of various blog topics to be pinpointed. Moreover, I cannot speak for anyone else,.
However, in the same vein, i refuse to allow someone as manipulative and trollish as LOM aka An Scrib, to color my opinion of another blogger as well.
LOM has repeatedly attempted to derail the blog topic on this board. Hell, … he jus did so less than 24 hours ago.
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@blakksage
+1000. Like you, many commenters have called him a troll and even more people have called him racist.
Funny, I’ve never seen a poll about either.
#doublestandards
#whiteprivilege
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@ resw
“Yes, and that’s what blogger X wants– to silence anyone who catches him in his many lies.”
Leaving didn’t silence King or Kiwi. They are speaking pretty freely elsewhere.
If you pulled the same disruptive stunts with another blogger that you have pulled with Abagond, you would have been banned so fast your head would have snapped off. Plus they would have deleted all of your comments.
I know that for a fact because I that has happened to me on other sites for merely disagreeing with the blogger. I never went so far as to harass other commenters, the blogger or causing daily disruption on the forum.
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Afrofem, how has resw disrupted the forum? It’s entitled to state its opinion and everybody is entitled to ignore it or not.
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@grojo,
Actually it is hard to ignore a commenter who picks a fight with everyone. Either way, the old saying about the guilty dog barking seems appropriate in is case.
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@Anne
That’s not true, and I certainly have never “picked a fight” with you.
Instead, I recall you picking a fight with me and nomad by slanderously labeling us as “Russian trolls”, with no evidence I might add other than your ignorant opinion formed by your disgust with us questioning abagond’s questionable claims:
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@Afrofem: “I never went so far as to harass other commenters”
A lie.
Here are just two recent examples of Afrofem harassing me:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/open-thread/#comment-373194
And let’s not forget her “gaslighting” and participation in dogpiling of poor Zoe, who appropriately stated:
“Wow. You are incapable of observing how your behaviour has affected someone when you have been off the chain abusive to them? Astonishing.”
And I agree.
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Why is picking a fight with somebody wrong? If you believe that person is lying and/or wrong, what’s wrong with making your opinion known to that person and the rest of the board?
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The problem is picking a fight with multiple people even when They have lost interest in the discussion. Also most people can tell when an argument has run its course and when to stop. Sometimes no one wins the argument and you just have to move on. There are some people on here who don’t know when to let go. So either they’re not aware of social norms or they have an ulterior motive. Given what has been happening lately I believe it is an ulterior motive.
And in case you can’t tell I’m not interested in going back and forth on this because I an aware that it is my opinion. I don’t need to be convinced of anything.
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I wasn’t trying to convince you of anything. My comments were in the form of questions, addressed to Afrofem, something denizens of this blog are allergic to. I won’t detain you any further since your position is crystal clear to me. My questions were placed in moderation hell and disappeared for reasons only our genial host can determine.
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faulty premise. untrue truism.
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@Afrofem
“I know that for a fact because I that has happened to me on other sites…. ”
Well that’s never happened to me, but it comes as no surprise it happened to you since you routinely troll me and dogpile others on this blog.
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@ gro jo
“If you believe that person is lying and/or wrong, what’s wrong with making your opinion known to that person and the rest of the board?”
You know very well from reading my comments over the past couple of years that if I think if someone is lying or wrong, expressing an opinion to that person and the rest of the forum is appropriate.
Everyone has a different style in expressing their opinions. Some people employ the Socratic method (ahem) and ask leading questions of another person to weave their own opinions into the responses. Some people are will simply state their opinion and be done with the exchange. Others will refute the comments of others with their own opinion and add links, quotes and other documentation to buttress their position. Some will refute with anecdotes and parables. I think all of those style decisions are valid means of expressing opinions.
Anne made a good point upthread, when she said:
What I think is not okay is resorting to namecalling or beating the bones of a dead horse. I think commenters should have a sense of boundaries and limits. That is just my own opinion. My view about refuting arguments is also informed by this post by Abagond: “The Seven Levels Of Disagreement”
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During my lurking and early comment period on this blog forum, I read a lot of great arguments. Some were done with great skill and some with great force. My favorite commenters employed skill, force, humor, persuasion and some sarcasm. I saw a fair number of commenters who disagreed with Abagond and other commenters on various subjects. I was impressed that they could write, “Abagond, you are wrong about this or that” and Abagond would either back up his argument or write, ” you have a good point, let me change this or that.”
On a lot of blogs and news sites, if you disagree with the blogger or author, you run the risk of being cursed out, called names, having your comment deleted or being banned from the site altogether. I have personally experienced all of those outcomes.
Therefore, gro jo, when boring egotists monopolize threads for attention, their own amusement or because they are so inexperienced that they don’t understand boundaries and limits, I don’t think of their comments as honest opinion. I think of their comments as a disservice to other members of the comment community. To me, they are not adding value to this blog, they are degrading this comment community.
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@ Anne
“…the old saying about the guilty dog barking seems appropriate in is case.”
In the South, that sentiment is expressed with this saying: “only a stuck pig squeals!”
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@abagond,
Is it okay to post links to YouTube videos? Here’s an old calypso for you.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mighty+shadow+crow&view=detail&mid=14335A82E51A58251C3914335A82E51A58251C39&FORM=VIRE
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Forgot. The name of the song. Cook curry ochro. 🙂
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@”He used a very serious racial slur”
I’ve never used a racial slur on this blog.
But let’s not forget all the vile things scribh aka lord of mirkwood has said:
“Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!”
“@Adolf Hitler (Kiwi)” (which is against the comment policy, I might add)
as well as “Hitlerite,” “Neo-Nazi,” “Hitlerian,” “Nazi”.
All direct quotes.
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I’ve been lurking here off and on for a while and the only person I really got troll vibes from lately is gro jo. He had a bone to pick with Kiwi.
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Afrofem, a simple way of ending a conversation is to state that it is over and ignore further comments from the offending party. I haven’t commented on anything Solitaire wrote for nearly a year, if not more, because she always tried to claim that I was deliberately trying to ‘hurt her feelings’. Ignoring her has freed me of this burden. resw can be annoying, but it and nomad did make valid points about Abagond’s shallow reportage on RT. Our genial host gave us his negative impressions followed by a string of negative quotes from people with an axe to grind against that outfit. I was expecting the unearthing of real skullduggery on the level of Judith Miller’s lies in the NYT. rews and nomad were right to objecting to such superficial hatchet job.
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@ Gro Jo
“I haven’t commented on anything Solitaire wrote for nearly a year, if not more, because she always tried to claim that I was deliberately trying to ‘hurt her feelings’.”
Not exactly. What I said was that you tried to drag my personal life — my relationships with my spouse and my in-laws — into arguments about topics that had nothing to do with my personal life. It happened twice.
I did say that I believed you were dragging in my personal life to try to get an emotional rise out of me; perhaps that’s what you’re referring to above.
You and I do get along much better when we ignore each other and don’t interact. It has spared the other commenters what could have been constant bickering. So I agree with your overall point.
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@resw
“@resw …Maybe it is me, but if blogger X would make such a blog-post on me, I would leave”
Yes, and that’s what blogger X wants– to silence anyone who catches him in his many lies.
Apart from Afrofem’s responses, I would like to add that this would only be a short-term victory for blogger X.
After all, in the end, when more people leave and stop caring about the blog, the blog will slowly die.
AFAIK, this doesn’t count for Abagond’s blog. My experience (and not only mine, as you can see in Afrofem’s response) is that, when I pointed out a few mistakes to him, he corrected his blog posts after that.
See for example https://abagond.wordpress.com/2015/02/23/the-chapel-hill-shooting/#comment-278009 where I was not that particularly friendly to him (and got a friendly response back).
@Afrofem
Thanks for your responses I this thread. You already voiced what I wanted to write here. Thanks! 🙂
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@ Gro Jo
Also, you’re not being entirely honest about never commenting on things I write. For example, you did so less than a month ago on the Latasha Harlins thread here:
and here:
I thought our interaction on that thread was much more restrained than in the past — an improvement but probably one best seldom replicated. It’s better for the community at large that you and I don’t make a habit of it.
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@ gro jo
Comments deleted for name calling and calling people “it”.
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@”What I think is not okay is resorting to namecalling or beating the bones of a dead horse.”
Afrofem does both of these routinely. He has even created a story line about me being a “county court clerk”: https://abagond.wordpress.com/open-thread/#comment-373490
And beat that dead horse too: https://abagond.wordpress.com/open-thread/#comment-373541
I couldn’t imagine my great grandmother behaving in this childish manner.
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@ Jeff Elberfeld
An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach (boy, that’s a mouthful) fits the classic definition of a troll. He tends to ask loaded questions that end up derailing the topic and he can be pretty damned arrogant at times.
resw, on the other hand, seems like someone who has a personal bone to pick with abagond and others.
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” on Thu 22 Jun 2017 at 09:48:15
abagond
@ gro jo
Comments deleted for name calling and calling people “it”.”
Lynny can call me a troll but I can’t say he/she is stupid and off topic? You ban my comments and yet allow Afrofem’s and Solitaire’s responses to it to stay? I refer to resw as “it” since it chose to not declare a gender. I thought I was being polite by respecting its wish. What you probably really object to was my pointing out that your RT post was a hatchet job. Your dishonest comment moderation has a lot to do with alienating your readers.
Solitaire we agree that we have successfully coexisted on this blog by ignoring each other. In keeping with my principle of commenting on any foolishness I perceive, I did comment on some of your more egregious claims during our mutual ignore pact. You might want to add the following to your list of my being ‘dishonest’: ”
on Mon 7 Nov 2016 at 17:48:50
Solitaire
@ Jefe
“The author of the following article has expressed a view that this is also serving as a warning to Taiwan, which Xi wants to reunite with the PRC before the end of his term.”
I don’t mean to downplay the events in Hong Kong — but this is really disturbing. Is it possible for the PRC to do this without triggering a huge f’n war?
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on Mon 7 Nov 2016 at 17:57:21
gro jo
“Is it possible for the PRC to do this without triggering a huge f’n war?”
Hysterical nonsense. Who wants to go to war with the PRC over how it manages its territory? HK exists because PRC diplomacy wishes it.”
Our ignore pact has served us well, may it continue to do so.
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I don’t think resw is a troll. I agree with gro jo, either respond or ignore whoever rubs you the wrong way, are in disagreement with, conversely, you may choose to engage them. As for msgm, I find in invaluable in that you get an insight into how many of these white liberals think, something you may not come across offline as they are probably more guarded. The internet allows miscreants, malfeasants and white supremacist to really reveal how they think regardless of their political rants, beliefs. This can be educational and comical also.
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“I refer to resw as “it” since it chose to not declare a gender.”
And I’m OK with that because I choose not to declare my gender. Nor should my gender matter.
“How come?”
Because abagond has allowed others to call me names ever since I wrote this comment: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2016/07/23/hillary-clinton-for-president/#comment-321174
But thanks, gro jo, for demonstrating another of abagond’s double standards.
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@Mack Lyons (@DDSSBlog)
Thanks. I ‘ll take a look on that.
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@ gro jo
Two more comments deleted for name calling.
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Mack Lyons made the astute observation:
So when do we get a thread and a poll on whether A-SGM (nee LOM) is a troll?? Isn’t it long overdue?
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@ Solitaire
I will do one next week. I do not want more than one of these going at a time.
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@ Abagond
That makes sense. Thank you.
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@Jeff Elberfeld
“My experience (and not only mine, as you can see in Afrofem’s response) is that, when I pointed out a few mistakes to him, he corrected his blog posts after that.”
I’ve had the same experience, by the way.
But there’s a fine line between correcting honest “mistakes” and taking no action or retaliating in an attempt to deliberately spread false information.
The latter is assumed based on a) abagond’s reaction, and b) the subject matter.
For example, if he puts out a series of posts about a particular subject (e.g., Russia/RT or most recently, ancient Egypt–as he’s just written one about “Ancient Egypt According to Chancellor Williams” and one about “Egypt in 1275” in the same week), I tend to notice common themes.
In this Egypt series, the common theme was framing society from that time period as interracial.
The problem is he backed up his claims with something that neither Chancellor Williams nor Cheikh Anta Diop ever said. When I pointed this out to him and included a direct quote contradicting his claim, his response was not to correct his “mistake”. So I have to question whether it was a mistake.
Perhaps his response was out of spite, but knowing how diligent he is, I have to take that to mean it was a deliberate attempt to mislead his readers by misrepresenting Chancellor Williams and Cheikh Anta Diop.
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@ ASG-M
You know I’m not allowed to. In fact, I suspect Abagond has me on auto-moderation for this thread.
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Clearly an open and shut case of familiarity breeds contempt! And it’s going around.
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Anyone who does not feel free to comment openly and honestly on this thread can email me their comment at abagond at gmail.com. That goes for any other thread as well.
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I was going to keep quiet on tis thread, but no. If we are to view resw as a troll then I think there are a lot more people who need posts. LOM being the primary one.
This comment here:
So, Solitaire, you’re not even attempting to nail down resw on a thread that is about resw…
Is an indication that he is basically pushing for people to engage in an all on chastising and dogpile of a commenter. He loves the contention as long as it is someone else, but seems to feel he deserves mercy. Please hurry and do a post on LOM so I can tell him how I really feel
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“Please hurry and do a post on LOM so I can tell him how I really feel”
Be right back, I gotta go buy an industrial-size popcorn popper.
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@ resw
My non-response to your comments means I think you are a troll. Or, more precisely:
#1. From past experience I know you do not argue in good faith but are merely bent on “winning” the argument and humiliating others.
#2. Your incessant insults directed at me tell me that you mean me no good and make you unpleasant to deal with.
Also, you say so many untrue things that your credibility has sunk to zero.
So maybe you are right about Chancellor Williams, but, coming from you, it was not worth looking into. It just comes off as you trying to pick a fight. My gut feeling is that if I did get into it with you, it would turn on the ambiguity of saying Egypt was mixed-race. But along the way you would call me a liar and kick me in the face several times and laugh – regardless of whether you were right or not. Maybe it is unjust of me to say that, but that is how you come off.
If you can SUPPORT what you say, then I will likely look into it and, if you are right, issue a correction or clarification. I have no trouble with that. But just your saying something means nothing. Just as it meant nothing to me in the United Kingdoms thing.
Your comments, everyone’s comments, come with a history. Imagine that next to each avatar there is a little credibility meter. It is like that.
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@”From past experience I know you do not argue in good faith but are merely bent on “winning” the argument and humiliating others.”
No you don’t know. You assume based on your bias and hostility to not just me but other commenters and others who actually challenge the false claims that you make.
“Your incessant insults directed at me tell me that you mean me no good and make you unpleasant to deal with.”
What about your incessant insults directed at me?
When are you going to back up your slanderous lie you’ve been spreading for months that I’m Russian?
“If you can SUPPORT what you say, then I will likely look into it”
I provided you a quote from Chancellor Williams that contradicted what you claimed he said, as you know. But this is another example of you being misleading as usual.
If you really cared about getting the facts straight, the person telling you the facts should not even matter. That’s why it suggests it’s a deliberate attempt to mislead.
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@ resw
Lie? To what end? I might well be wrong in what I said, I am hardly perfect, but to say I am lying means that I secretly agree with you but want to deceive others. That is bizarre and outlandish.
Either you have a different theory of mind or, far more likely, you are trying to get me angry at you because you are a troll.
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@ resw
Where did I say you were Russian?
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@ resw
Where did that Chancellor Williams quote come from?
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@ gro jo
Yet another comment deleted for name calling.
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@”Where did I say you were Russian?”
This is a prime example of abagond’s dishonesty.
He knows he’s been misleading his readers to believe I’m a “Russian troll” for months now, but suddenly feigns ignorance. Here’s an example of that:
He also upvoted this comment by Anne, who obviously bought abagond’s propaganda (and who lied about not engaging in namecalling), calling nomad and me “Russian trolls”:
So I don’t understand why he’s so dishonest about it and why he gets upset when I point out this clear example of dishonesty.
“Where did that Chancellor Williams quote come from?”
The same book you referenced in your “Ancient Egypt according to Chancellor Williams” post, obvi. Did you actually read it?
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Resw said ,
“I’ve never used a racial slur on this blog.”
That works when your are raceless.
If people harass you its because you are a jerk.
You view Abgonds opinions as lies and propaganda. He writes how he see things and gives his opinion. Normal people understand that.
As Mack Lyons pointed out you got a bone to grind. Some switch went off in your head and you lost your mind.
Why don’t you take your attitude to WoWo’s blog and see how long you last there. Poster Snoopy and WoWo disagree but show each other respect. Thats how civil discussion sharpens differring perspectives.
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^Since abagond is on a deleting spree with gro jo’s comments, let’s see if he’s consistent and fair, and deletes michaeljonbarker’s for calling names.
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resw said:
michaeljonbarker said:
I think MJB has it right.
I have had an appreciable number of commenters on this blog for nine years now. Loads of commenters have disagreed with me. Calling them trolls has not been my go-to way of dealing with disagreement. And yet neither are trolls a figment of my imagination.
That said, my feelings can get the better of me sometimes, so just because I say someone is a troll, that does not mean I am right. But, looking back, I was right at least 80% of the time.
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@michaeljonbarker
I’ve conversed with many other commenters on this blog, even some who’ve said racist things, and those conversations have been constructive and completely free of personal attacks.
It’s only the opposite with you, Afrofem, lord of mirkwood, abagond and a few others who derail threads by initiating personal attacks like you have done on this very thread.
Your group is the problem, and the only reason you’re allowed to get away with initiating personal attacks is because you attack commenters who question abagond’s false claims.
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@ resw
MJB is not CALLING you a jerk, he is making an argument that you ARE a jerk. I pointed out the difference to you yesterday. If that difference is too hard for you to grasp, then you will find yourself banned in short order.
The way I have decided to deal with you and ASGM, in the short term, is to crack down on gratuitous name calling. Tons of commenters seem to function just fine without calling names all the time, so it is not asking too much. I am not asking for perfection, but you and ASGM can bring it down QUITE A FEW notches.
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@”michaeljonbarker said:
I think MJB has it right.”
This is an example of gro jo’s deleted comment about abagond’s blatant hypocrisy.
Abagond deleted comments of gro jo’s on this thread for calling me “it”, but allows michaeljonbarker to call me “jerk”. And even encouraged it.
So this is proof that there’s one rule for certain commenters and another one for the others.
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And by the way, gro jo explained why he referred to me as “it” and I said I’m OK with that because I choose not to disclose my gender (because it shouldn’t matter).
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@ resw
Right, instead of simply answering the question, you use it as an opportunity to bash me.
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@ gro jo
The two comments I deleted for calling resw “it” have been restored since he/she is fine with it.
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^note I said I was fine with it way up thread.
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“Right, instead of simply answering the question, you use it as an opportunity to bash me.”
No, I didn’t bash you, I pointed out an example of your dishonesty since I’m being accused of just saying it for no reason.
But abagond bashes me consistently for no reason. In response to his comment about NYT not being propagandistic, I pointed out a specific article (using direct quotes) showing that it engages in propaganda.
And abagond’s response was not to ignore it or refute it, like an adult, but to bash me with a his “Russian troll” slander:
“I was wondering why Putin did not lay off his trolls after the election. Now I see why.”
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@ resw
Just to set the record straight on this one since you keep bringing it up: I am not currently a subscriber of the New York Times and they set limits on people like me. There are only so many articles I am allowed to read a month. So I do not read every NYT article you post, In fact, I have read none of them that I can remember. So my observation had nothing to do with that article. For all I know, you are right about that article. The NYT can be propagandistic at times, as I have pointed out myself:
You have this extremely dichotomous way of thinking, If I think A is better than B, then you seem to conclude I am blind to the faults of A.
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I’m a commentor with a personal opinon. I’m not in a group. There is no “Abagond posse” out to get you.
Thats your paranoid thinking.
“there’s one rule for certain commenters and another one for the others.”
There you go with the persuction complex again.
I’ve had my comments deleted by Abagond before. Some commemts went into moderation and were never published. He seems even handed overall. But i dont take space whining about.
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@abagond
With this situation you are fighting a losing battle. No matter what you say or how much patience you exercise.
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@ sharina
Yeah, well, for the record, as they say.
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@michaeljonbarker
In general abagond does exercise equal treatment of moderating comments etc., however he does allow certain commenters to browbeat him into changing things. A prime example of this is Kiwi. When he would not get his way he would bash abagond ad nauseam. Once abagond let him have his way, he praised abagond and would even use him as sources to refute other people he did not agree with. This is abagond’s blog and while I don’t expect a dictator, I don’t expect people to just run him over.
I personally like resw and can see why he feels attacked. For ever action is a reaction and I think resw is reacting to that feeling. This post did not help it either.
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@abagond
“You have this extremely dichotomous way of thinking, If I think A is better than B, then you seem to conclude I am blind to the faults of A.”
I don’t even know what you’re saying.The point was that you “bash me” for no reason, not the other way around.
I didn’t attack you in my comment about NYT’s anti-Russian propaganda, but your response was to suggest I’m paid by Putin. That’s a personal attack and it’s slander. Dangerous slander that puts me at risk, and you spread it for months.
So yes it’s hypocritical of you to pretend I’m attacking you when you know you and your friends are initiating it.
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I don’t remember Rex initiating personal attacks during the UK tiff on the Open Thread. Perhaps I’m mistaken and someone could point me to where Rex did that.
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@ resw
How does it put you at risk? Your location and identity are well hidden.
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re: Abagond’s assertion
actually, quite a few here like that. Used to be only very few.
I guess the question is … how should the host deal with that.
Maybe make that another post?
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I interpreted this not as referring to a specific person, but to a generic person, the way “you” is sometimes used.
Maybe we can rephrase and also include the conditional tense following the subordinate clause, ie,
“If people harass others, it would be because they find them to be a jerk.
Generic, non-personal statement.
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@Sharina
Then why do you want a parallel post on AGM? You think that will help something?
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jefe
“Then why do you want a parallel post on AGM?”—If a post was done on resw and it was seen as necessary, then why not on AGM? On top of that the situation between resw and abagond is hostile and based solely on the ideas that resw feels and has felt attacked. On the other hand LOM doesn’t have that same relationship with abagond despite him screaming victim.
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@ Abagond
I see resw is using a lot of Karl Rove’s Tactic #4: Go Negative, Then Cry Foul
It is a truism in sports that in a scuffle, it is often the second, retaliatory blow that draws the attention of the referee. Karl Rove has moved this principle into the political arena. The Bush campaign typically “goes negative” early in the campaign, using scare tactics or lifting comments out of context (See Tactics #12 and #14). Once the opponent retaliates, the Rove camp calls public attention to their “dirty” campaign tactics.
More Rove tactics can be found here:
Click to access FINALKARLROVE.pdf
Or as the Southern saying goes, “a stuck pig always squeals”.
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@Afrofem
As you know, you’re always the first one to “go negative and cry foul.” I’ve shown plenty examples of you doing that on the open thread and elsewhere.
So using your logic, clearly you use Karl Rove’s playbook too.
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Respect should be guarded.
Resw’s actions are weak but Abagonds strive towards tolerance makes him weak as well.
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calling someone a russian troll is a character assault and likely to result in (justified) retaliation, what ive seen of resws criticism its been mostly about issues, theres a difference between the two types of disputes.
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@abagond
@ resw
of all the things you might have banned resw for (calling you a liar for example) the most absurd reason would be for failing to grasp a distinction without a difference.
it certainly is too hard for me.
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Meet the New Negroes
Russian is the new black.
RussiaRussiaRussia
ooo. im a dangerous outsider. must be russian.
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https://counterpropa.com/russiagate-built-racism-xenophobia-homophobia-demagoguery/
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@”Resw has never spoken about how racism has affected resw personally. Resw’s discussions on race are abstract and detached. That is a characteristic of a white person.”
This is an example of the harassment about my personal identity that I’ve been getting from a few white commenters since the election. He just won’t let it go.
Not once has abagond called out this trolling for what it is because he personally attacks other commenters who challenge abagond.
I just hope the son never finds out his father is volunteering to defend the indefensible actions of someone who believes “homosexuality is a sin.”
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@MJB
“Abogonds free speech policy allows for resw’s blatent disrespect of Abagond personally but that is not good for the character of the blog and damages it”—I can agree with that. Mainly because I see it as opening the door for others to see it as okay and in turn do it.
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@abagond
coulda fooled me. thats one of my criticisms. it creates a certain disposition in such targets, legitimate commenters that might be unfavorable to you. should avoid it as much as possible.
this is certainly true
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@ michaeljonbarker
“Resw has never spoken about how racism has affected resw personally. Resw’s discussions on race are abstract and detached. That is a characteristic of a white person.”
I noticed that too. Many of the Black commenters have woven their own personal experiences with anti-Black bigotry into their comments: Nomad’s righteous outrage in having a cop pull a gun on him on his own property or Sharina’s experience with a bigoted and manipulative fellow student. Many have included family histories such as Herneith recounting her family’s establishment in Canada.
The White, Asian, Arab and Latino commenters have also freely added anecdotes from their personal lives or the lives of people around them.
Resw, whether as resw77 (2006-2011) or resjan (2006) has always spoken of Black people and Blackness in dry academic terms, citing sources, but devoid of personal experience.
A characteristic of a female commenter is to obscure their gender identity. Generally this is done for protection on strange sites. Since resw has been commenting on this forum since 2006, that reason does not apply.
Resw’s femaleness also comes out in one of the worst aspects of female behavior, namely needling or nagging. Abagond pointed that out in a comment on the open thread:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/open-thread/#comment-373265
Resw has consistently needled the commenter who:
🌀 Is most disliked by the commentariat as a whole
🌀 Has the least self-control and ability to ignore needling
Resw’s actions have been used to disrupt and derail threads in a strategic and calculated manner. Not only does the target of her needling erupt in anger, but other commenters who dislike ASGM/LoM take the bait and descend into mob needling. Then resw, stands off to the side and makes dishonest statements like, “I’ve never once called anyone names unless they attacked me first”.
Those tactics are consistent with a sleeper troll who is also likely a White female: deception, distraction and disruption.
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@”Resw’s femaleness also comes out in one of the worst aspects of female behavior, namely needling or nagging. ”
What a sexist comment. “Needling or nagging” are not behaviors exclusive to women.
Afrofem owes every woman an apology.
And for the record, he doesn’t know my gender. As many threads as he and his white attackers have derailed to guess about my personal identity, they’ve always been wrong.
@”Abagond pointed that out in a comment on the open thread:”
Abagond also ignored that lord of mirkwood called me “xpraetorius” first, called me “apportune” first, and has called me numerous hundreds of other names from “Nazi” to “Hitlerite”, “f*ck” , etc. first.
Yet Afrofem is here defending this person whom abagond himself called a “colour-blind racist”.
That’s one reason Afrofem is to be suspected of being a “black sock puppet” and the other is his name, according to abagond’s logic:
“Use a name that seems “black” or “African”, like “Trinidad African” or “Naija Girl”.” https://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/black-sock-puppets/
Afrofem is the ringleader of abuse on this blog, and Zoe was absolutely right when she pointed out:
“Wow. You are incapable of observing how your behaviour has affected someone when you have been off the chain abusive to them? Astonishing.”
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@ Afrofem
Did a quick Google and I’m seeing comments on this site from a poster named Resjan as recently as 2012.
Can you provide more information as to why you think there’s a definite connection?
As a side note, Resjan appears to be a surname of Eastern European origin….
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@ Solitaire
Resjan and Resw are the same person (same email address), Resw admitted as much:
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@ resw
Two comments deleted for name calling.
If you want to talk about why you think Afrofem is White, fine. But do not continually insinuate it.
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@ nomad
Here is how I explained it to resw:
If you want to say stuff like:
Abagond is deceitful because …
Afrofem is a Black sock puppet because …
ASGM is racist because …
That is fine. They can be considered warnings or analyses.
But if you want to say stuff like:
The deceitful Abagond ….
The suspected black sock puppet …
ASGM, the White supremacist, ….
That is not fine. It amounts to name calling. It serves no good purpose in a civil discussion. That is as bad as me referring to you as “Our Russian troll” or “My Russian minder”.
I understand that things can get heated and people will sometimes call names. Some amount of it is natural and understandable. But for you and ASGM it has become a crutch. It lowers the level of discussion. It serves no legitimate purpose in a serious, free discussion and, in fact, seems to drive off or silence people who would otherwise take part.
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^another example of his shifty comment policy and dishonesty. No one did what he alleges, and he allows his friends to do exactly what he’s saying I and other commenters like gro jo did.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
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As I said, resjan and resw are pseudonyms that have nothing to do with my real name or personal identity.
I don’t know understand the obsession with my identity that has derailed several threads by the white attackers and Afrofem, the suspected black sock puppet because she defends people who say they’re racist, whom abagond says are racist and whose name fits abagond’s description to the “t”:
“Use a name that seems “black” or “African”, like “Trinidad African” or “Naija Girl”.” https://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/black-sock-puppets/
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@ MJB
Re: disrespect.
In most cases, commenters who disrespect me sooner or later disrespect my rules. Then I ban them. That is why most White trolls do not last long or even see the light of day.
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Not to mention you have falsely alleged that I’m a “Russian troll.”
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@abagond
thats crazy. i deont routinely call people names but if you eff w me you are likely to get name called. crutch. another insult from you that i am supposed to ignore. not a chance. you have a history of saying stuff like that to me.
tell me. since i use name calling as a crutch, what name have i called you? i can think of two youve called me. gratuitously. so tell me. who uses name calling as a crutch?
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@ resw
“Afrofem is the ringleader of abuse on this blog.”
Squealing again, eh? LOL!
Go to your blog, write about my alleged “abuse” of poor resw and post a link on this forum. I will go to your blog, show you what abuse really looks like and see how long you tolerate it when you are the blogger.
How fast will you hit the delete button on your dashboard?
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@Afrofem
The articles on my website and/or blog are about real issues, never about personal attacks or the abuse of a suspected black sock puppet suspected because he defends self-admitted racists, defends commenters whom abagond calls “colour-blind racists,” and has a name that abagond says ” seems “black” or “African”, like “Trinidad African” or “Naija Girl”.”
This blog used to be about the issues and not personal attacks before the election.
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@ michaeljonbarker
Interesting observation.
It applies equally well to a few other commentators, I think.
White individuals can learn a lot about the Black experience by reading, seeing films and other media. Some can even be lecturers at institutions of higher learning, specializing in Black issues and history, etc.
But the true distinctive traces that they can hardly fake or be intimate with, are the emotions that almost every Black person harbors, arising from his/her specific experience as a Black person immersed in a White world.
I’m not even trying to put all White persons in a kind of box of racists. But White people, either with good will or not, are not object of racial harassment or aggression (at least as frequently as Blacks are in White governed societies).
The difference between the Black and White experience can also be compared to the difference between human male and female life experience. There are certain things that only a woman can experience subjectively in her life, that a man only can have a faint idea of what it looks like.
And such differences allow a perceptive observer to execute instinctively in his/her mind a kind of Turing test as soon as he/she is in front of a White person (commentator) pretending to be Black, for whatever purpose.
I’ve seen in this blog some commentators discuss at length, and sometimes even repeatedly, the bona fides of Putin or the Russian media, or similarly extravagant issues, and I would then ask myself if in this era of Trump and the rise of White Nationalism in America, they shouldn’t care more about the aggravation of bullying of Black children and teenagers in White schools, of harassment of Black citizens by the Police and other daily issues.
Where you care is more likely where your true emotions are. And those will tell us who you really are!
I had in my student time in Europe a small but telling experience that I never forgot. It was in the 80’s and I was in the midst of a gathering of young people (mostly European an White) making a demonstration for peace and against the arms race. Reagan times…Star Wars… Cold war…the Soviet Bloc… and all that stuff! An altercation between me and a White student arose from the fact that at some point I was defending the fight against Apartheid (at that time governing South Africa and affecting all countries around it) even through the armed struggle and said student argued that peace and not more fights were more important, and adding that those fights in the World’s periphery risked to trigger a wider war at, maybe, World’s scale. Therefore the plight of Blacks there should wait (… for better times I suppose!).
In fact, I understood him quite well. I realized that things like racial discrimination and Apartheid were seen by people not affected by them as a minor inconvenience, whereas for a Black person like me it was an essential question of honor and survival. I concluded that certain things would be mostly weighted differently by Blacks and Whites (and also others groups would see them from their own standpoint).
*I am not a citizen of the Republic of South Africa but of a neighbor country that was deeply affected (through military incursions, economic sabotage, etc) by Apartheid in its last years.
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sounds like the no true black person fallacy
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@ munubantu
” Therefore the plight of Blacks there should wait (… for better times I suppose!).”
I’ve heard that statement many times over the past few decades. Never from a Black person.
Astute observation.
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@ nomad
Re: crutch
Reread the the comment. The “you” means resw. It is resw and ASGM who use name-calling as a crutch.
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@ MJB
I do not think it is because he or she is White, but because he or she is trying to hide his or her identity to such a degree that we do not even know his or her gender.
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@”Resw, whether as resw77 (2006-2011) or resjan (2006) ”
For the record, Afrofem is wrong as usual. I was not commenting on this blog in 2006. Probably not prior to the end of 2011.
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@”That is a characteristic of a white person”
Another of michaeljonbarker’s many racist comments on this blog.
I guess he doesn’t know that people who are black, brown, red, etc. can choose to be anonymous online. And that there are many people who say they’re black online but are not, and make up stories, like some commenters on this blog.
But we can’t be too surprised at michaeljonbarker’s racist comment because he warned us about this over a year ago:
“I’ve written racist stuff on this blog.”
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@ resw
You said (with bolding by me added for emphasis):
I let this comment through because you are this thread’s pet lizard. On any other thread I would have deleted it.
Here you are not using “because” to discuss Afrofem being a Black sock puppet, but as a device to get through your side swipe as you make another point. If I let it through, then your tired epithet for Afrofem makes it through. But if I delete it you will accuse me of bring a hypocritical moderator.
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@ resw
This comes off as disingenuous because it comes right on the heels of your own personal attack on Afrofem.
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@ Afrofem
And yet, going by your comments on this blog, “Notes on xPraetorius” is one of your favourite posts, a post very much in the mould of this one.
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I know, abagond, they’re allowed to attack me nonstop, but I can’t attack back.
And note, abagond made up some new rules (which are not in the comment policy), and I have followed them, but he still has something to say.
It doesn’t get any more shifty and unfair than that.
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@”This comes off as disingenuous because it comes right on the heels of your own personal attack on Afrofem.”
It’s a genuine statement, and if Afrofem had not attacked me first, he/she would not have received one in return. But you never have anything to say to them. It’s always the commenters you don’t like because we point out your lies and hypocrisy.
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@”And yet, going by your comments on this blog, “Notes on xPraetorius” is one of your favourite post”
If we’re going by the number of comments, then this post will soon rival it. But that doesn’t mean I like either.
And note, abagond is being misleading yet again, because he knows I deeply expressed my dismay with his “Notes on xPraetorius” post in 2013:
“@ Abagond
How disappointing it is to see you give so much attention to someone who consistently went off topic in your previous post in order to pontificate and contradict his own arguments.
I actually thought you were serious about not allowing xPraetorious to go off topic with comments about himself, and so I stopped replying to him in accordance with your wishes.
Yet here you are with a blog post about his misunderstandings about your topic and off-topic drivel…”
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@ resw
Right, after expressing your deep dismay, you wrote like 51 comments, your third highest before 2016, right up there with “The Isis Papers” and “Boko Haram”.
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@ resw
I do not buy this idea that you are some poor innocent who is merely giving tit for tat. In March and April, you called ASGM “aka xPraetorius” 42 times – yet he only addressed you 33 times. So, right off the top, at least 9 of those were probably unprovoked.
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@ resw
My advice to you is to lay off the name calling, let this blow over, and return to your resw77 self. That is the happy ending I would like to see.
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@ resw
Thanks for posting some of my content.
“I’ve written racist stuff on this blog. The difference is I’m more self aware of my racism. Being “anti racist” doesn’t make me a magical white person. My mind is wired to think like a racist. Recognizing white supremacy for what it is doesn’t extract a white person from being a part of it. I can control my personal interactions with people but that’s it.”
As I point out being white is recognizable behavior.
Its also possible that you are a white sock puppet 🙂
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@ resw
“For the record, Afrofem is wrong as usual. I was not commenting on this blog in 2006. Probably not prior to the end of 2011.”
This resjan comment from the Arab World thread was written in 2012, not 2006.
I misread the date, my apologies.
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“This blog used to be about the issues and not personal attacks before the election.”
Resw is nothing if not genuine, say whatever else you might say. I dont know what the conversation here was like before the campaign for the the election but what i found when I arrived was little more than a portal for DNC talking points and persecution of those who didnt subscribe. And it continues.Evidently the election negatively impacted the quality of this blog.
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then the statement
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resw did not choose to release these details and has every right to remain anonymous and keep them private. if he/she lives on the moon its nobody’s business but his/hers.
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@ nomad
“what i found when I arrived was little more than a portal for DNC talking points and persecution of those who didnt subscribe.”
Can you link to an example of that?
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This my take some time but it begins w the post that says ‘I hate Hillary but I want everybody to vote for her anyway.’ That one remained on the opening page of my browser for months.
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@ nomad
What were these these DNC talking points? What are examples of persecution on their behalf?
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@ resw
“The articles on my website and/or blog are about real issues, never about personal attacks”
A link to your website would be great. Your writing can be quite lucid and informative when you are not in rant or needling mode.
The question still stands, resw: “If I go to your blog, mirror the disrespect and disruption you have exhibited on this forum how long would you tolerate it? How fast would you hit the delete button on your dashboard?
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Resw was already suspected of being a paid troll by at least March 22nd 2016, back when he was still relatively civil:
Afrofem said:
See:
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^^ on that same thread resw said:
See:
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^^ that, by the way, is an interesting thread to read now in hindsight, not just for resw but on how Trump seemed then and whose intuitions proved sound.
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@abagond
So you’re really going to ask me that? Should be obvious. But as I say, I’ll be glad to do it. Might take some time.
The first is advocating voting for Hillary at all costs to prevent Donald Trump because he’s a racist. That was the basic DNC strategy and the sources of the talking points that proceeded.
An example of the persecution is the derogation of those that didnt subscribe as “Trump non fan club”..
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@ nomad
I’m almost positive “HRC sucks and I hate her but I’m going to have to hold my nose and vote for her” was not a DNC talking point.
If it was a DNC talking point, I’d give my right arm to see HRC’s response to that memo!
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@ munubantu
In my student days in the 1980s I was in the bosom of Reagan America protesting against apartheid!
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@ Solitaire
LMAO!
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@ nomad
“what i found when I arrived was little more than a portal for DNC talking points and persecution of those who didnt subscribe.”
When did you arrive? I delurked in late 2015 and I thought you were already posting by then.
By that time Abagond and others were already deeply critical of Obama and HRC.
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@ nomad
Yes I am going to ask you that. It is a stereotype. If anyone was cowed into silence it would have been unabashed supporters of Hillary Clinton since, off the top of my head, I do not remember any. Most of the political spectrum here ran from Bernie to Jill and beyond, well to the left of the DNC.
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^^ Ideologically I am way closer to the Green Party than the Democrats. You confuse tactical voting with ideological positions.
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Resw has been here since at least Sun 5 Aug 2012 at 13:06:17, then known as resjan:
Nomad has been here since at least Mon 28 Nov 2011 at 14:11:09:
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^^ and that post most certainly was not a DNC talking point!!!
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Nomad!!!
I’m shocked. That’s over 5 years. That’s before the 2012 election!!!
You’ve got no call to be describing yourself as a newbie here!
Until this very moment, I was positive you were who you presented yourself to be and not a troll. This has shaken my faith….
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@ MJB
You need to look at that link to the ancient Greek thread and the comment directly below it regarding homosexuality.
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@Solitaire
That is why I was a bit confused on why people thought he was new. He has been here a while and as I remember well before the election.
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@Solitaire
!oh. i am so deceptive. i dropped in from time to time. didnt join in the discussion and knew nobody here except Deb til 2016. check what i said
” I dont know what the conversation here was like” because i didnt participate. if i did, why didnt you know me? i was more or less what you people call a lurker. a lurker who delurked. orange you glad? i bet abagond is.
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and i didnt lurk the comments. abagond is on my reader. when he wrote something that interests me i would read it.
you guys need to get over the paranoia.
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@abagond
Laugh all you want. I’ll be getting to the talking points. What I said was that was the strategy upon which the talking points were based.
You say youre green. you say you hate Hillary. Your posts since the vote for Hillary post says otherwise.
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ooo. get out the pitchforks. see. this is what king was talking about. but let me say this about that…
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@ nomad
Posts like what?
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@abagond
Talking pointt the first. Or The Meta Talking Point
indeed, you left off the talking point part of that statement. ‘Trump is a racist”. That was the primary DNC talking point, for which the memos can be found in the wikileaks trove,
and while it is true that Trump is a racist, the problem with it and why it didnt work was that Hillary was just as big a racist.
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@Solitare
I’m not sure what it is your getting at. It would appear that resw belives homosexuality is a choice. I would disagree with that.
@nomad
“Persecution” seems a little harsh.
The debate was always about Abagonds pragmatism and stopping Trump based on the things Trump said.
Nobody disputed that Hillary was a hawkish neo con.
I understood Abagonds reasoning and went along with it for awhile but in the end I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Hillary.
I think what you post are things you believe and feel strongly about. I don’t think you are a troll.
I dont have a pitchfork.
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@abagond
let me check. but while im doing that, show me the posts where you express your alleged hate for Hillary. because contrary to what you may think since ‘ive been here’ since 2012, i havent read everything youve wrote since i have supposedly ‘been here’.
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ive actually ‘been here’ since 2009 because thats when i met Deb. she says she met me here but i dont remember. i knew nothing about blogging back then but i was searching around for black blogs to read because i couldnt beleive that black bloggers were accepting this travesty we called barack obama. i ended up at that shill chauncey de vega’s blog. thats where i thought i met Deb.
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@ nomad
“if i did, why didnt you know me?”
Where did I ever say that? What I said was that I was sure I remembered you already being here when I delurked. I did recognize you when I first started commenting and again when you and I had our first direct exchange. I remember way back you talking about the cop who pulled a gun on you while you were raking leaves in your lawn.
Do not give me this bovine excrement. You were commenting YEARS before I even was lurking. You were actively commenting by the time I delurked in late 2015, a good YEAR before the election. And lately you’ve been bald-faced LYING about how long you’ve been here.
You do realize if Abagond wants to, he can crunch the numbers for how often you’ve commented and when?
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@ MJB
I thought those comments sounded critical of homosexuality, equating it with bestiality. Sounded homophobic to me.
And yet on this thread:
“I just hope the son never finds out his father [MJB] is volunteering to defend the indefensible actions of someone [Abagond] who believes ‘homosexuality is a sin.'”
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The “what king said” arguments are being used as an excuse to downplay or dismiss out right lying and bad behavior. A bit of a scare tactic for people not to engage for fear of proving what king said.
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It was never about voting for the person who was “less racist”. It was about keeping the person out of office who would do the most damage to civil liberties. Based on Trumps rhetoric that was Trump.
I believe Hillary would have eroded civil liberties as well just not as rapidly as Trump wanted too. Fortunatly the chaos of the Trump administration is keeping most of his election rhetoric from happening
Abagond did cover the Clinton’s racist history as well as how both Bernie and Hillary handeled BLM.
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Solitaire has been commenting since at least Sat 28 Nov 2015 at 23:25:52:
By that point nomad was commenting about once a week.
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big effing deal. what the heck do i care?
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@ nomad
I was talking about Trump’s racism on this blog long before it became a DNC talking point. Both gro jo and I remember Trump from back in the 1980s in New York. He was racist then too. If you think we are parroting the DNC then you do not have a clear idea of who Trump is.
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@solitaire
” I remember way back you talking about the cop who pulled a gun on you while you were raking leaves in your lawn.”
I dont remember saying that here, but if I did, so what?
Get over yourselves.
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@ Sharina
“That is why I was a bit confused on why people thought he was new.”
Has anyone besides Nomad expressed that belief? People haven’t been challenging him on it, but I don’t remember anyone outright agreeing with him. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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@ nomad
You effing liar. You talk about it here all the time. You just mentioned it again THURSDAY:
You know what? Just go F yourself.
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@ Solitare
That’s typical of resw’s troll and bait.
Mutual respect among individuals (regardless of race, class, sexual orientation, religion ect) and the willingness to stand up for your neighbor rights, even if you disagree with their beliefs, insures moral equality and is what makes up a peaceful and voluntary community.
So you may think your neighbors ideas and beliefs are horrid but they have a right to conscious. What your neighbor doesn’t have a right to is interferring in your life based on their belief system if that is against your will. Similarly you can’t interfer with your neighbor just because you dont like what they believe or how they look ect.
Abagond may think homosexuality is a sin but I doubt Abagond would support laws that oppress homosexuals or interfer in the lives of gays just because he thinks its a sin.
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@Solitaire
Even though he expressed it, a few people would later respond or treat him as if he was new. For example, when he said he came after the election the response was similar to “oh okay so you missed when abagond wrote about etc.” or “Then you aren’t aware where abagond criticized Obama here.”
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uh huh. thats what you say, so it must be true.
let me tell you what i think of that…
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@ Sharina
Oh, ok. I see what you mean, and I think I do remember that.
Didn’t know if you meant people were actually coming to his defense.
I thought he might have pre-dated me by only a few months and still felt new compared to commenters like yourself. But then lately he’s been acting like he didn’t show up until after the election of Nov. 2016 and I knew that wasn’t the case.
I am so. effing. angry. right now and Abagond won’t let us swear. I’ve had to erase line after line of cusswords.
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abagond
doesnt contradict what i said. obviously hes a racist. thats why the dnc used it as a talking point. weve already discussed this. they elevated Trump, Hillary strategists did, because he was such an obvious racist. it was a talking point that didnt work, because Hillary was a racist too. and it didnt take much scratching away the politically correct veneer to see it.
What that would have to do with my “idea of who Trump is” I dont know. But You were obviously ahead of the curve there. The parroting came later.
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@Solitaire
That is also why when he claimed we had some bad history I was so confused. We had few conversation, but I do remember we agreed on our views of Obama.
I get your frustrations and that is primarily why I took issue with nomad after the election. He would say he didn’t say something, get quoted saying it, and then still deny it. Just don’t know if it is an unintentional lapse of memory or intentional.For example, the conspiracy theory type stuff. I figured that he actually didn’t see it as a conspiracy theory. Sometimes it is how people view things. Wrong or not.
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@ nomad
This is your logic:
Abagond: The sky is blue.
DNC: The sky is blue.
Nomad: All I see here are DNC talking points.
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@ nomad
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@abagond
nomad
‘This is your logic:
Abagond: The sky is blue.
DNC: The sky is blue.
Nomad: All I see here are DNC talking points.’
not my logic. yours. i would never say all.
thanks for the links..
Dont know how I missed that Feb 2016 article. Because, like Solitaire says, I was definitely here. Funny I didnt leave a comment tho, knowing what a ravenous Hillary hater I am.
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@ nomad
It was not till I endorsed Hillary Clinton that the freak-out started. Resw’s commenting, in a matter of days, went from a trickle to a full-on blast, which has continued down to this day – despite her defeat.
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@abagond
well i wouldnt know about that. tho i was certainly here during the time before that happened. must be Alzheimers or something,. all i know, as far as commenters go. is from the maya angelou post and something before that about obama, i remember Mary Burrell from that earlier discussion. other than that and random drivebys, what you probably thought of as trolling, I have not interacted with this community. before Feb 2016.
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“must be Alzheimers or something”
Yeah, nomad, I suggest you get that checked out right away since you can’t remember something you wrote TWO EFFING DAYS AGO.
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@solitaire
whatever youre talking about i have no idea. i have forgotten nothing ive wrote two days ago. the alternative suggestion is you didnt read it correctly. whatever it is. i want be losing any sleep over it.
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@ nomad
Right here:
Didn’t remember ever mentioning that on Abagond’s blog, you said, when your most recent mention was two days ago.
And now just a few hours later, you’ve got no idea what I’m talking about. Right.
Better call your doctor first thing Monday morning.
Either that or stop blatantly LYING to me.
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solitaire
i still have no idea what youre talking about. if you cant quote it quit bothering me.
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@Afrofem
“A link to your website would be great. ”
Trolls who derail various threads to personally attack me, as you’re on record doing, and suspected black sock puppets who have a name ” that seems “black” or “African”, like “Trinidad African” or “Naija Girl”” are not welcome.
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@abagond
“My advice to you is to lay off the name calling, let this blow over, and return to your resw77 self.”
My advice to you is to return the the pre-election abagond who cared more about the issues than personalities. While you’re at it lay off the namecalling, reel in your personal attackers (and michaeljonbarker admitted to initiating personal attacks on your behalf), and lay off the incessant lying.
You’ve been caught lying multiple times, including on this very thread. It’s shameful and gives a bad name to Christians.
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@”I do not buy this idea that you are some poor innocent who is merely giving tit for tat.”
I guess I am thankful whatever idea you buy doesn’t trump the facts. And you and your team are on record initiating personal attacks.
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@ Nomad
From upthread yesterday (Saturday):
Solitaire: “I remember way back you talking about the cop who pulled a gun on you while you were raking leaves in your lawn.”
Nomad: “I dont remember saying that here”
Solitaire: “You talk about it here all the time. You just mentioned it again THURSDAY”
Nomad: “uh huh. thats what you say, so it must be true. let me tell you what i think of that…”
Nomad: “must be Alzheimers or something”
Solitaire: “Yeah, nomad, I suggest you get that checked out right away since you can’t remember something you wrote TWO EFFING DAYS AGO.”
Nomad: “whatever youre talking about i have no idea. i have forgotten nothing ive wrote two days ago.”
Thursday and Saturday are two days apart. On Thursday you wrote about the cop who pulled a gun on you in your own yard. On Saturday, two days later, you denied ever having written on Abagond’s blog about that same encounter with the cop.
You either desperately need to see a doctor, or this is one of the saddest attempts at gaslighting I’ve ever seen.
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i still dont know what you are talking about.. until you can be clear quit bothering me.
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@Solitaire
oh. i see where the idiocy comes in. Sharinair said she had read me talking about that before, presumably around the time it happened in 2013. I said I didnt remember writing about that here. AT THAT EARLIER TIME. Of course ive written about it recently! Why the hell would I deny that? WTF is your problem? Eff off.
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Nomad, you quoted me when you responded, not Sharina. Your full comment:
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^and we see the same tactics used on me for months now being used against Nomad. Anyone not being willfully ignorant can see right through abagond and his dedicated attackers’ game.
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Sharina never said a damn thing on this thread about the cop incident. Quote me where she did.
The WTF here is that you’re lying to me because you got caught lying to everyone about not having been here very long, which aforesaid lie you have been using dishonestly to aid your trolling of Abagond about current U.S. politics.
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nomad
“Sharinair said she had read me talking about that before, presumably around the time it happened in 2013”—Wrong. Let me quote and correct you on what I actually said.
“That is also why when he claimed we had some bad history I was so confused. We had few conversation, but I do remember we agreed on our views of Obama.
I get your frustrations and that is primarily why I took issue with nomad after the election. He would say he didn’t say something, get quoted saying it, and then still deny it. Just don’t know if it is an unintentional lapse of memory or intentional.For example, the conspiracy theory type stuff. I figured that he actually didn’t see it as a conspiracy theory. Sometimes it is how people view things. Wrong or not.”
I only recently became aware of your backyard incident, so don’t use me as an excuse for your lies. 2013 was a busy year for me so I lurked a great deal more.
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@michaeljonbarker
“Abagond may think homosexuality is a sin but I doubt Abagond would support laws that oppress homosexuals or interfer in the lives of gays just because he thinks its a sin.”
Not sure you speak for abagond, but he not only said “homosexuality is a sin” but abagond said “I believe the Bible is the Word of God.”
And the “Word of God” makes it clear in Leviticus 20:13 :
“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
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Solitaire
Nomad, you quoted me when you responded, not Sharina. Your full comment:
So it was you not Sharina. So what and kiss my a-s
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sharinair im putting you back on ignore.
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Solitaire
if that was the case then why didnt you say so when i asked you what the hell you were talking about? instead you started taliking about what i said two days ago. learn to be clear. yall can take that he said she said bs and stick it where the moon dont shine. i dont give a flying flip.
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Please note abagond’s double standard.
His new rules he pulled out his rear (that are not in the comment policy) which he’s only applying to me, gro jo, etc.dictate that we must say:
“Afrofem is a Black sock puppet because …”
But we see he refuses to apply that same new rule to his (admittedly) dedicated personal attacker michaeljonbarker:
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nomad
You can ignore me all day and night. Don’t care, but you will not use me as an excuse to make up some silly lie. Keep me out of your bs.
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@ nomad
Why have you been pretending that you only showed up after the election when you were heavily involved in pre-election arguments?
From at least the time of the Democratic convention, you went on and on about the evils of the Democratic nominee HRC and how she was going to immediately bomb Russia if elected. You got into multiple arguments with Abagond over this and spammed the blog with videos and other links criticizing the Democratic nominee HRC. On numerous occasions you urged anti-Trump commenters to vote third party instead of HRC. You repeatedly claimed Trump was the lesser evil and argued vociferously with anyone who expressed the opposite view. You derailed multiple threads that weren’t about the election — and if Abagond declared you off-topic, you cried that he was persecuting you for being anti-HRC.
During the campaign, prior to the actual election, you were a significant contributor to the tone of the conversation here and to the overall mood of this blog.
But lately you’ve been saying you don’t know what it was like here before the 2016 election because that was before your time.
When confronted with evidence that the above was a lie, you double-downed with increasingly preposterous lies.
Why all the lies?
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@ nomad
“learn to be clear.”
Well excuse me for assuming that as a grown-ass man you were fully capable of scrolling upthread.
I effing went to the trouble of copying and pasting nearly the whole damn thing and it still wasn’t clear to you? GOOHWTBS.
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much ado about nothing. you dont like something i did? you poor hot house lily. could this be the kind of stuff king was talking about? i think so. i said i couldnt remember saying that here. you cant accept that ‘excuse’, fine w me. not my problem. dont give a flying flip.
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@nomad
“much ado about nothing. you dont like something i did? you poor hot house lily. could this be the kind of stuff king was talking about? i think so.”
+1000. It’s clear what’s the real problem here .
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@ nomad
You’re not the only person here with strong opinions and strong convictions.
You LIED to my face (digitally speaking) and when confronted with it instead of coming clean you LIED to my face again and again.
I guess if taking umbrage about being lied to means someone is a hothouse lily, then I must be a hothouse lily. It’s better than being a brazen liar.
I hope I’m a purple lily. That’s my favorite color. Look how pretty my petals are.
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@ Nomad
Everyone remembers that story but You, the person it happened to who talks about it all the time. Hell, Afrofem mentioned it on this very thread:
“Nomad’s righteous outrage in having a cop pull a gun on him on his own property”
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Nomad on February 12th:
Nomad, two days later on February 14th:
In fact, by that point, he and MJB had been the biggest users of the term “deep state”.
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@ nomad
never said i was, strawman
nope. youre lying about my lying. ive already explained the distinction between being here as an occasional visitor and actively engaging with the community. a distinction you reject so eff you.
yeah. that is better than being a brazen liar. but youre still a liar.
dont give a flip..
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Oh good lord, nomad, you say that line about “I am a man of strong opinion” all the effing time. I’m not even going to bother to go find an example because you’ll just deny it. Pretty sure you’ve used it in the last week with Sharina.
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for the record, a person can come to the same place more than once. just because you came to work, for example, yesterday, doesnt mean you arent going to come to work to work tomorrow, i came to this blog to kick a-s today. who knows, i might come again to kick a-s tomorrow.
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Solitaire
say on, strawman. has nothing to do w anything. even if it was an accurate statement, which it is not.
good, cause this is a pointless discussion.
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It’s interesting to see the combination of pedantry and eristic used against nomad because of the evident inability to do it to me.
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Oh dear, nomad came here to chew bubble gum and kick Obama’s derriere. Not only is he out of bubble gum, it turns out that it’s his rear end that’s getting kicked. What’s the diagnosis for his memory lapses? White troll Syndrome a/k/a Trump (Storm)Trooper-itis.
How could anybody have taken seriously the claim that this person is ‘black’?
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@”It was not till I endorsed Hillary Clinton that the freak-out started. Resw’s commenting, in a matter of days, went from a trickle to a full-on blast, which has continued down to this day – despite her defeat.”
Please note that abagond could not even substantiate his claim with examples.
And also note that I already said way up thread that abagond’s behavior changed first because of the cogent comments I made that were full of facts that refuted many of his claims:
“Because abagond has allowed others to call me names ever since I wrote this comment: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2016/07/23/hillary-clinton-for-president/#comment-321174”
Note that I was 100% right about my prediction Trump would win. And note all the facts I stated about Clinton. That accurate prediction and those facts got under abagond’s extremely thin skin and he hasn’t recovered since.
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Resw on November 24th 2015:
Resw on July 25th 2016:
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By the way, looking at older threads, MJB seems to have had the best intuitions about Trump. Certainly much better than Resw, who seems to be too partisan to see Trump with a clear eye.
This thread from March 2016 is interesting in seeing how different commenters got Trump right or wrong:
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Yes, abagond, I changed my mind over those 8 months of observing the pattern of voter sentiment.
Your point is?
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@ resw
Curious how it is only trolls who think I am afraid of their Shiny Rays of Truth.
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“By the way, looking at older threads, MJB seems to have had the best intuitions about Trump. ”
Oh, that was your point. To say MJB was more right than me.
Yes, his initial prediction was spot on, but he’s changed that too:
“I think you can vote third party in heavily blue states and not worry about throwing the election to Trump. ” – michaeljonbarker
And now back to your, what is it, third lie on this thread about me trying “to bait me into saying more” about my personal information that I’ve been trying for years to keep anonymous? You don’t have to say more because I think you’re already in violation of my privacy rights, and I wouldn’t be surprised if someone at the FTC agreed.
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@abagond
Truth? It serves a purpose some times, i reckon, but why is every comment i make now, ie since the appearance of this tawdry thread, auto moddied?
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“Curious how it is only trolls who think I am afraid of their Shiny Rays of Truth.”
As abagond knows, I’ve only said his “behavior changed” after he endorsed Clinton in that thread and started campaigning for her.
I also said he doesn’t like people who call out his many lies (on various subjects not just Clinton–something michaeljonbarker does not do) and people who expose his hypocrisy, like his “lesser of two evils” argument.
Michaeljonbarker, on the other hand, not only has given credence to that hypocritical argument (which nomad and I have thoroughly refuted):
“Abagond’s argument, that the lesser of two evils, Hillary, is the logical vote I think is pragmatically necessary. Abagond’s argument, that the lesser of two evils, Hillary, is the logical vote I think is pragmatically necessary. ”
…michaeljonbarker is also on record staunchly defending abagond’s despicable behavior and admitting that he serves as a personal attacker on abagond’s behalf: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2017/06/11/abagond-used-to-be-great-but-has-devolved/#comment-373785
Given those reasons, it comes as no surprise that he’s been granted special privileges.
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@gro jo
wishful thinking on the part of the begrudged
not by you or anybody here.
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And note, my responses are delayed by many hours often, both out of spite and to boost the chances that abagond’s attacks are read and my responses that refute them with facts go unnoticed. He also had to make up some new rules since then which are only applied to me, gro jo, etc. but not himself or his self-admitted attackers.
By the way, this was all part of the plan, ever since I exposed his lie on the “Egypt in 1275 BC” thread last week.
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@ nomad
“ive already explained the distinction between being here as an occasional visitor and actively engaging with the community.”
That’s an excuse you pulled out of your bubblegum-chewing ass when you got caught LYING.
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@ nomad
“i am so deceptive.”
That’s most likely the only HONEST thing you’ve said in this entire thread.
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the no true black man fallacy. you people are paranoid. i wonder if thats what king was talking about. yall have clearly gone off the rails.
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@ nomad
“i am so deceptive.”
That’s most likely the only HONEST thing you’ve said in this entire thread.
only a fool takes a sarcastic comment seriously.
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@ nomad
oh you are just so indignant. go cry about it. i mean literally instead of figuratively, which ji what youre doing here.
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@ resw
There is one huge flaw with this. The comment you cited, the one that supposedly caused me to lose my shit, does not actually contradict anything I have said.
For example, you said:
In my election post on her, written five months before, I listed one of her achievements as:
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@ v8driver
Probably a side effect of auto-modding ASGM or resw. I will see if I can fix it.
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@resw
Seriously?
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@Nomad
” i wonder if thats what king was talking about.”–No need to wonder if you look back on old threads and read King’s comments. He was talking about having a difference of opinion and being jumped on for it more than likely. Not outright lying. King ridiculed liars, racist, and ignorant people regardless of how many others did the same.
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@ resw
The way “Egypt in 1275 BC” plays into this is that you and ASGM hijacked a perfectly innocent thread to spew your usual vomit.
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OFF TOPIC: nomad as a commenter.
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@ v8driver
You should be fine now.
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oh far the good ole days and intelligent commenters like king apparently was. i dont really know for sure if he actually was an intelligent commenter w all the attributes listed. even tho i was here. or so im told..
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@resw
Bingo! Though I was here before the 2016 campaign and therefore should know what this blog was like before, I dont. Must be Alzheimers. But when I arrived or returned or however you want to put it, in 2016 I found little more than a DNC propaganda portal. Your narrative of a change in Abagond around that time sounds plausible.
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@ nomad
When did you arrive/return and why did it seem like “little more than a DNC propaganda portal”? So far you have only named one DNC talking point, one that I talked about before it would have been a DNC talking point.
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feb 2016. searching for a forum to rant about obama in his last year in office. you won the lottery.
most of the talking points are trump related. russiagate. pee gate. trump dossier. fake news. whatever the dnc was hyping. but not just the talking points but the rhetoric in general. like, for example the minimalizing of clintons malfeasance and illness.
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@ nomad
Right, so if I am a DNC propadandist where is my post on Jon Ossoff? He lost a Georgia by-election on June 20th that the Democrats badly wanted to win. They spent huge sums of money on that election. Georgia is one of my better states and an Ossoff post would not seem out of place. If they were paying me you would have most certainly seen such a post. Even if I was merely an ardent Democrat or a copy of the White Liberal press, you would have seen that post. Instead I was writing about Ancient Egypt!
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“It’s yet another example of abagond’s dishonesty… he simply cannot be trusted.”
What does that say about you when you frequent a site where the author “cannot be trusted.”?
✎ a glutton for punishment?
✎ a naive follower?
✎ a repetitive Rove-esque attention hog?
You are not compelled to comment here. You can easily migrate to wowo’s blog and become his sycophant.
Or you could send me a link to your site where I could complain about your veracity and disrespect you for entertainment.
How quickly would you hit the delete button in your comment dashboard?
Hmm?
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@”There is one huge flaw with this. The comment you cited, the one that supposedly caused me to lose my shit, does not actually contradict anything I have said.”
Here’s more dishonesty. It really doesn’t end.
What I actually said was abagond’s “behavior changed”, I didn’t say anything about abagond “los[ing] his sh!t” (because I know it’s all well calculated propaganda).
But abagond is also wrong because my comment did contradict his belief that Clinton would win.
And it was further downthread where we got to the heart of the issue: abagond’s hypocritical “lesser of two evils” argument that hinged on his false belief that Clinton was NOT as racist as Trump, which I thoroughly refuted:
So of course because he lost that argument (as he always does with me whenever facts are involved), he resorted to a false accusation that I “conflate” and “ignore” stuff (obviously he had no facts to support it):
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@Afrofem
“What does that say about you when you frequent a site where the author “cannot be trusted.”?”
The same thing it says about you since abagond is on record lying and misleading, even on this very thread.
“Or you could send me a link to your site where I could complain about your veracity and disrespect you for entertainment.”
My site and/or blog is fact-based. Lies and trolling with personal attacks are not permitted, which is why you’re not welcome. You’re best staying on a blog like this one where you’re free and encouraged to be yourself.
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@ resw
Seriously? 100%? One of the comments I deleted started out this way:
I was not going to let the thread degenerate into yet another one of your mud-slinging matches. You know and I know how ASGM would react to that. So stop with the disingenuous BS.
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@ resw
Where did I say I beHillary Clinton would win?”
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@ resw
And where did I say I believed she would win?
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@ resw
So how did my behaviour change?
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@ Afrofem
Never have I had a top commenter who seemed so unhappy! It is like he is at a job he hates 😉
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@”Seriously? 100%? One of the comments I deleted started out this way”
Yes, it was about the post even if it included personal attacks in response to lord of mirkwood, who personally attacked first: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2017/06/16/egypt-in-1275-bc/#comment-374013
As I said if I’m attacked, I will attack back. A simple solution would be to reel in yourself and your friends who always initiate the personal attacks, but no surprise you refuse to do so. You even left lord of mirkwood’s initial personal attack but deleted my response, in typical biased fashion.
“And where did I say I believed she would win?”
I didn’t say you said it, but you made it clear Trump would lose and therefore she would win:
“But part of me is glad because, barring the unforseen [sic], he pretty much sank his campaign for good.”
My immediate response was this:
“I wouldn’t count him out. This is far from over…”
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@ resw
“My site and/or blog is fact-based. Lies and trolling with personal attacks are not permitted…”
I’m so very glad you wrote that.
@ Abagond
In light of that one honest remark from resw about her attitudes re: trolling, my question to you is why do you continue to permit manipulations and trolling with personal attacks from resw or the other disruptive commenters?
What set of principles are guiding your forbearance of unrepentant trolls?
When do the needs of the entire comment community become more important than the desires of a set of drama queens?
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@Afrofem
“I’m so very glad you wrote that.”
Hopefully abagond will take action against you for your incessant trolling of me and others. But we all know that won’t be happening.
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@abagond
“Never have I had a top commenter who seemed so unhappy! It is like he is at a job he hates”
Never has Hillary Clinton had a top blogger who seemed so unhappy with her. It is as if abagond voted for someone he “hates”.
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@ resw
That comment was in answer to my endorsement which seems pretty fearful she might lose.
So, in other words, that comment on July 25th 2016, after which my “behavior [sic] changed”, did not refute any of my claims of that time.
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@ resw
I did vote from someone I hated. I made no bones about that.
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” on Sun 25 Jun 2017 at 20:33:49
nomad
the no true black man fallacy. you people are paranoid. i wonder if thats what king was talking about. yall have clearly gone off the rails.”
As a real ‘black’, aside from your mortification that Obama spent eight years as president of the USA, what else troubles you about the USA?
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^^ LMAO
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@ Afrofem
The question is, how to objectively draw the line between genuine dissent and trolling. Any suggestions?
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@ munubantu
Excellent point.
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@ Gro Jo
I am briefly breaking our mutual ignore pact to stand up and applaud your most recent comment.
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@”So, in other words, that comment on July 25th 2016, after which my “behavior [sic] changed”, did not refute any of my claims of that time.”
So I see, in your words, “contradict anything I have said” is now suddenly contradict “any of my claims of that time”. Got it.
“That comment was in answer to my endorsement which seems pretty fearful she might lose”
Right, so you were “pretty fearful” whereas my comment predicting “Trump will win, just as I predicted last year that he’d win the Republican nomination…” showed no fear at all.
People do tend to act irrationally in the face of fear.
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@ Abagond
On some level, discerning the line between genuine dissent and trolling involves a value judgement.
Perhaps I have projected my values onto a situation that works for other people and I should be more aware of my personal limits versus other people’s personal limits or the limits of the people who comment or lurk on this forum.
Lesson learned.
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@ Abagond
It appears to be a question other moderators have tackled:
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179139
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@ Solitaire
Excellent!!! Thank you.
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@ resw
If I am going to get upset at you for refuting my claims, they will be the ones I currently hold, not those I held eight months before.
In December 2015 “President Trump” was somewhere between science fiction and a sick joke, at least in my blue part of the country. In July 2016 we knew for sure it was going to be Trump and Clinton, which gave him a sickeningly real chance of winning. Which is mainly what my endorsement post is based on.
In the post I even listed swing states, which meant I thought it would be close.
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Resw said,
“Given those reasons, it comes as no surprise that he’s been granted special privileges.”
Nope. My comments go to mod before they get published. I just don’t whine about it so you wouldn’t know.
You are imaging that i have “special privileges”.
I’ve made eight comments out of the 276 comments on this thread. Your claim that I’m constantly trolling you is unfounded. You’ve made fifty eight comments so far on this thread.
Nomads comments show dissent though i believe his dissent is unfounded.
Resw has an axe to grind with Abagond so his disrespectful comments amount to trolling.
Abagonds “lesser of two evil argument” is both his opinion and a political statagy. His opinion doesn’t make him a hypocrite and a liar.
His blog certainly isn’t a mouthpiece for the DNC. Abagond writes for himself, not for another entity, therefore his ideas are his opinion and not orchastrated political propaganda.
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gro jo
youre the one concerned about whether im black or not.
you, for one thing
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dont know why abagond seemed to find that funny. i guess he has the same doubt. the no true black man fallacy.
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Afrofem
interesting rationalizations
“You guys are all just [descriptor].” “You’re a lynch mob.” “You all just want to ridicule anyone who disagrees with you.”
if the shoe fits, wear it.
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@resw
the lynch mob claims its not a lynch mob. i bet thats what they claimed back in the jim crow era. just as killer cops are claiming now. does this community fear for its life?
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@Afrofem
sorry, that comment was meant for my former friend
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abagond
not totally dnc propaganda, for sure. thats why i satd ‘little more than’. i didnt say you were paid. could have been voluntary. or accidental. you know, like accidental racists. but it certainly towed the line.
not doing a post on ossoff does not go to your favor because to do so honestly you would have to be critical of the dnc. and the centrist hillaryism that is the cause of its failure to win across the board. so not doing a post on ossoff actually reflects your desire not to criticize the dnc.
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abagond: “Excellent point”
its not an excellent point. quite the opposite. it proposes thought criteria for blackness. a terrible idea. dont you say something on this blog about the diversity of black thought and that black americans are not ideologically monolithic? .i thought i read that here somewhere.
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@michaeljonbarker
“You are imaging that i have “special privileges”.”
No, I actually provided specific examples showing you indeed have special privileges: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2017/06/20/is-resw-a-troll/comment-page-1/#comment-374588
You’ve even admitted to initiating personal attacks against me, and abagond has not said a single thing to you about it because you are working on his behalf:
Your privilege might seem normal to you, but it doesn’t apply to everyone.
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@abagond
“If I am going to get upset at you for refuting my claims, they will be the ones I currently hold, not those I held eight months before.”
I have no clue what you’re talking about at this point. Your two comments I referenced were only a month apart. You keep arguing over something I never said. My point’s been made and it need not be repeated:
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@nomad
“just as killer cops are claiming now. does this community fear for its life?”
+1000. More like fear for their egos, especially abagond.
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@abagond
Nomad on February 12th:
Nomad, two days later on February 14th:
In fact, by that point, he and MJB had been the biggest users of the term “deep state”.
a curious interjection. whats your point?
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@ abagond “Never have I had a top commenter who seemed so unhappy! It is like he is at a job he hates 😉”
You are completely correct. Without even getting into the discussion of what constitutes a troll, I believe resw should probably be banned for this reason alone.
Generally, the best way to make decisions is to think about what benefits the community. That which benefits the community will usually also benefit the individual in the long run. This issue is a great example of that principle. Not only is resw frustrating many commenters, he also seems to be frustrating himself by spending time here. He may experience a form of short-term pleasure when he manages to instigate an argument about one of his favorite topics, but does that kind of pleasure make for the overall happiness of himself and others?
I have belonged to groups that were not good for me, and I wasn’t good for them either. It is best to leave or even be kicked out of such situations.
Abagond, I know that you are a big supporter of free speech, but sometimes the unregulated behavior of the individual begins to damage the community’s inherent right to be productive. You are in charge here. All hail Mansa Abagond, our benevolent dictator who so far has made plenty of good decisions.
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@Paige
I know, how dare anyone disagree with abagond’s double standards, point out his blatant lies and respond to his and his blind followers’ personal attacks.
Off with my head! That’ll teach everyone not to throw a wrench in abagond’s propaganda machine.
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jefe said that king cited
this post bears that out. particularly the idea that a ‘real black’ most hold certain ideological positions.
i think i might be a polarizing gadfly.
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@nomad
+1000. King was absolutely right and Paige’s comment exemplifies that. There is one “community” mindset and anyone who dares think differently is a threat.
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@”I’ve made eight comments out of the 276 comments on this thread.
And the amount of times (9) you’ve commented on this thread does not negate the fact that you have been personally attacking me for months now.
And I’ve made 6 times as many comments as you because I have to respond to not only michaeljonbarker’s false accusations and personal attacks, but abagond’s, Afrofem’s, lord of mirkwood’s, Anne’s, etc. You know, like normal.
“Your claim that I’m constantly trolling you is unfounded. ”
It’s not unfounded. You admitted to initiating personal attacks on behalf of abagond because you don’t like what I said: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2017/06/20/is-resw-a-troll/comment-page-1/#comment-374588
That is trolling.
And you and your Afrofem have done it on multiple threads, including for several months simply making asinine assumptions about my race and personal identity based on your racist and sexist stereotypes.
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Apparently people like michaeljonbarker who are racists because he told us “I’m a racist” (https://abagond.wordpress.com/2016/01/25/you-are-probably-racist-if/#comment-307761) often need to be reminded that their racist assumptions that only whites can be anonymous online are not bases for drawing conclusions.
As well, people like Afrofem who are sexist because they make comments such as “Resw’s femaleness also comes out in one of the worst aspects of female behavior, namely needling or nagging” need also be reminded that their sexist assumptions are not bases for drawing conclusions.
Between their racism, sexism and mutual defense of each other, you’d think you were listening to a married couple on a 50’s sitcom.
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@ resw
Excellent. Thank you.
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@ nomad
I think soon all I will have left are polarizing gadflies.
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@resw
How is my blog a propaganda machine but RT is not?
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@ Paige
Yeah, well, I do not want to play dictator nor do I want to vote people “off the island”. Both are insular moves. Though letting trolls run amok is bad too!
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@ resw
So why are you here if you are so unhappy?
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@”How is my blog a propaganda machine…? ”
Abagond knows that over the course of the last 6 months he has touted repeated several complete lies:
his lie about me being a “Russian Troll”
his lie about me being “paid by Putin” (in response to me showing an example of NYT’s anti-Russian propaganda)
his lie about RT being owned by the Russian government.
his lie that RT “finally hired a black person”
his unfounded statement that RT is propagandist but not NYT
Not to mention his new propaganda about the ideas of the great Chancellor Williams and Cheikh Anta Diop, which I exposed less than two days before he wrote this post.
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@”…but RT is not?”
As abagond knows, I stated on May 4:
“I have not seen RT publish propaganda, but then again I don’t read/watch RT regularly, so what do I know.”
I’ve asked abagond to show just one actual example of RT’s propaganda, and the only thing he came up with was some irrelevant guy’s opinion that RT was propagandist.
Now here he is asking me to prove something he’s been trying to convince us of. This just shows how deceitful he is.
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@abagond
“So why are you here if you are so unhappy?”
It might be possible that I’m just “unhappy” with your double standards, lies and personal attacks that I only started noticing last year (out of the 5+ years on this blog)?
It could also be possible that I like 75% of the content on your blog and enjoy learning from the dwindling independent thinkers you and your blind followers keep running off lately.
Now that I’ve answered your question, please answer mine.
So why are you still in America if you are so unhappy with Trump?
Could it be that you like 75% of what America has to offer but you just disagree with how Trump and his blind followers treat people they don’t like?
Shouldn’t you leave America or try to change it for the better?
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nomad, I know you’re a UFO believer, what role have Aliens played in human history? Are they in any way responsible for the plight of Blacks? What’s your take on Sun-Ra’s UFO inspired Jazz?
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Which space aliens built the pyramids — the Reptilians or the Greys?
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^I think it’s interesting that 32 comments were generated on a thread about resw in spite of a clear ban from specifically addressing or referencing resw.
Now it’s aliens. This is the kind of derailing that happens so often, just like on the Jacqueline Craig thread and many others, but abagond never has anything to say about it.
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@gro jo and Solitaire
😂😂😂
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Resw said,
“Apparently people like michaeljonbarker who are racists because he told us “I’m a racist”.
That has nothing to do with you being a troll.
Critisizing another poster for their behavior isn’t always trolling.
You seem to want free reign in critisizing Abagond but want to shut down any critisim of yourself as “trolling”.
I sometimes respond to your disrespect through trolling but I’m not trolling other posters here on this blog regularly.
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@ Abagond
“The question is, how to objectively draw the line between genuine dissent and trolling. Any suggestions?”
Maybe it would help to ask your peers; that is, other blog owners.
This is just one forum I found for an example:
https://forums.digitalpoint.com/forums/blogging.40/
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@ resw
Yes, you are so right. So, back to the topic at hand: Are you a troll?
I devoted a whole thread to it and despite your many comments, you have never really answered the question. Jeff Elberfeld answered the question forthrightly. You have not. Instead it has been “she started it!” and “he does it too!” and “it’s so unfair!” Just so exactly like a guilty, bratty child.
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” on Mon 26 Jun 2017 at 17:09:55
resw
^I think it’s interesting that 32 comments were generated on a thread about resw in spite of a clear ban from specifically addressing or referencing resw.
Now it’s aliens. This is the kind of derailing that happens so often, just like on the Jacqueline Craig thread and many others, but abagond never has anything to say about it.”
Now, now, my little resw, why would aliens be a distraction on a thread about you? Aren’t you the one who refuses to be defined by gender? An alien attitude if you ask me! You know I love your craziness. I oppose your ejection from this forum. If Abagond bans you, I hope you’ll start your own blog. I’ll be your commenter number 1.
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^^^ LMAO
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@ abagond
“Yeah, well, I do not want to play dictator nor do I want to vote people ‘off the island’. Both are insular moves. Though letting trolls run amok is bad too!”
Is voting someone out based on their behavior “insularity,” “quality control,” or both? Is it okay to be a little insular if the high quality of your community is worth maintaining? I guess that’s up for you to decide in this case. Even if you ban resw, you can always offer him the option of returning if he decides to reform his behavior.
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@ abagond
He does seem “like a guilty, bratty child.” When I wrote, “you can always offer him the option of returning if he decides to reform his behavior,” I was picturing some of the students at the elementary school where I work!
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@michaeljonbarker
“That has nothing to do with you being a troll.”
You’re the one who brought it up, or did you forget you said on this thread “Resw’s discussions on race are abstract and detached. That is a characteristic of a white person.” https://abagond.wordpress.com/2017/06/20/is-resw-a-troll/comment-page-1/#comment-374340
You’ve repeated that racist argument dozens of times on this thread and have derailed other threads with it.
“You seem to want free reign in critisizing Abagond but want to shut down any critisim of yourself as “trolling””
No I call out your racist trolling for what it is. You are more than free to criticise what I say that’s on topic. I’ve never had a problem with anyone doing this, but if you initiate personal attacks, don’t be surprised when you get one in return (and at least mine will be accurate, like calling you the racist you’ve admitted to being).
“I sometimes respond to your disrespect through trolling”
I’m glad you admit to being a troll. Now it’s hypocritical of you to cry about someone else allegedly doing what you yourself do.
Grow up and lead by example. You’re too old to be behaving this way.
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@abagond
I was being facetious.
I am not a polarizing gadfly. Thats someone eles opinion, likely of me and someone else, an opinion i dont happen to share. i have described my attitude else where and wont repeat it here for fear of being accused of saying it ‘all of the time’.
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@abagond
wha…!?!?!…how did RT get into this?
goosey goosey gander at its finest.
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@abagond
@ Paige
so youve already decided that a. resw is a troll and b. hes running amok.
so whats the purpose of this pole? to see who else agrees? i dont.
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@abagond
“So, back to the topic at hand: Are you a troll?”
No. Now why don’t you answer the questions I’ve posed to you: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2017/06/20/is-resw-a-troll/comment-page-1/#comment-374744
“You have not. Instead it has been “she started it!” and “he does it too!” and “it’s so unfair!” Just so exactly like a guilty, bratty child.”
Abagond once again has proven that he has to reduce everything to name-calling. He is clearly incapable of defending himself with facts alone.
He and his team are demonstrating exactly why King, Fan…, satanforce and so many others have left.
@Paige
“I was picturing some of the students at the elementary school where I work!”
It’s a shame those poor children had you for a teacher.
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@gro jo
thanks for the query. i dont know if youre serious but im going to take it seriously.
yep, because i believe evidence. btw, is anybody here good at math? i have a complicated math problem. where would i go for help?
probably a very important one. probably the single most important outside of climate.
probably only indirectly and incidentally. their most major influence probably came before the concept of race.
my nephew, a musician, forced me to listen to that. he likes it. i didnt.
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@nomad
“wha…!?!?!…how did RT get into this?”
Exactly!
That tells you all you need to know (but of course abagond’s team will keep their heads buried in the sand in fear of abagond’s retaliation).
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“btw, is anybody here good at math? i have a complicated math problem. where would i go for help?”
Wolfram: https://www.wolframalpha.com/
“”What’s your take on Sun-Ra’s UFO inspired Jazz?
my nephew, a musician, forced me to listen to that. he likes it. i didnt.”
Sun-Ra was an original thinker, since you imagine yourself to be one, I thought you might have been a fan of his Black esoterica. You might like to read or have already read The Sirius Mystery by Robert K.G. Temple, on Aliens and the Dogon people of Mali.
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@abagond
okay. cool because if they mess w me im gon tell em off.
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gro jo
whatever gave you that idea. i think i told you there were no original ideas. i dont imagine myself to be an original thinker, but if you do, thanks.
nope. not a fan
i knew about the dogon. thanks for the reference.
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“i knew about the dogon. thanks for the reference.” What do you make of their connections with Sirius?
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gro jo
yeah. i never examined that closely but i knew of their ‘myth’ about their deities (ancestor figures?) coming from the stars and having an advanced knowledge of astronomy, iirc. definitely something id like to know more about.,
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Get the book an Griaule’s, they should keep you busy. Did Wolfram alpha prove useful?
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gro jo
ok. will do. just got some other things on the agenda right now.
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gro jo
come to think of it this would be a good topic for abagond. the dogon and iirc their nommos. or maybe you could do a guess post.
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Nah, I think that you and resw could tackle this subject and make a positive contribution. People are a little mad at you guys right now.
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So now since apparently mjb and i are ‘auto-moddied,’ to which i liken having been on ‘semi-probationary’ status ie when i had been drinking for days and posting, or being somewhat of a roughneck, so to speak, and since the impassioned expoundment going on here would surely brook no such a delay, messing up timestamps across the globe and through a variety of network devices, both software and hardware, was that a precautionary measure to limit discourse in some fashion (@abagond)? Normally if i getno response, i’m on to something, and this is no exception (vide supra)… #ijs
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Well strike that and partially reverse it im not auto moddied, now, but, that happened.
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I voted no btw, i dont think so
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@ v8driver
Any particular reason?
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@ resw
Who are the trolls on my blog? You have made so many accusations I have lost track.
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who gives a flip.
they can get as mad as they flippin want. whats that to me?
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gro jo
What madness here. You brought it up. Why would it be my project. You are the one presumably who has read the material. WTF does resw have to do with it? This is just pitiful. You paranoid mofos need to put your eyes on whats important.
Thats what I get for thinking you were serious instead of playing your little gotcha game. Wont make that mistake again.
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OFF TOPIC: UFOs, Dogons or anything like that.
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offff topic. that will be my reply the next time gro jo asks me one of his disingenuous questions
gro jo is nothing if not disingenuous
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people just seem to be maturing in their positions, and we all have something to say, i feel bad for resw you kinda gave me and xpraetorius a thread each about the same time, but resw done got thrown under the bus for nothing worse than i have gone on an on about
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The poll, with 99 votes, is currently at 64.65% in favour of resw being a troll. It has been slowly going up.
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Roughly two thirds of the people who took the poll think resw is a troll. I imagine a lot of those are lurkers.
Not sure why people want to spend time trolling Nomad on thread where we are all suppose to be exposing resw’s trolling.
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@ v8driver
What do you mean?
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@ MJB
I fixed your auto-moderation too. You should be fine now. It was a side effect of moderating ASGM.
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I get V8’s point.
My post’s still go into auto mod btw resw. Thats one of my privileges being that I’m one of Abagonds posse.
It makes sense. I’m over here sharpening my knives and such giving resw the slide eye.
Abagond tryimg to slow it down a bit. .
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So now you take me off auto mod !!!!
Here I thought I was special lol
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@michaeljonbarker
“Not sure why people want to spend time trolling Nomad on thread where we are all suppose to be exposing resw’s trolling.”—Honestly abagond could have done a poll for both in this thread because I believe Nomad plays off Resw. When resw says something, nomad will follow boosting it.
Not saying I agree with the resw is a troll stance, but I see the situations where one thing is said and nomad is quick to agree and even re-enforce hostility.
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Folks, I just had a tasty meal, spinach salad and chicken wings. I am sipping on a nice cup of coffee reading these posts. How entertaining! Nothing like a pseudo cat fight to end the day!
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@abagond
I won’t be answering any more of your questions until you’ve answered mine. And that’s only fair.
Besides, I have already specified on this thread who trolls me, and you already know who does it because you sanction it. So it’s a dumb question anyway.
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@sharinalr
“When resw says something, nomad will follow boosting it.”
That’s not true. He doesn’t agree with me on everything, but he’s borne the brunt of the same treatment that I, Fan…, and others have received so he’s speaking the truth. He hasn’t been defending me on other threads against the attack mob.
We are individuals.
But if there’s anyone who is “quick to agree and even reinforce hostility” it’s Afrofem, michaeljonbarker, lord of mirkwood, etc. It’s always those same three+ who initiate personal attacks against me and others together.
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@abagond
“The poll, with 99 votes, is currently at 64.65% in favour of resw being a troll. It has been slowly going up.”
Considering 72% of Americans bought the propaganda that led the US into war with Iraq, it seems your propaganda has not been nearly as effective.
I only wonder why wasn’t the poll about your plagiarism up for nearly as long?
And why didn’t you poll your readers about whether “Abagond used to be great but has devolved”?
Afraid of the outcome?
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@ resw
Because I took down the post in question.
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Abagond, I also have another comment from earlier still in moderation. I really would like to know the answer to why a teacher feels the need to ridicule others’ spelling and if she does that to her poor students.
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@ Paige @ Solitaire @ nomad @resw
Comments deleted for gratuitously taunting Nomad or referencing the same.
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@ resw
Why do you think you are not a troll?
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Sharina said ,
“but I see the situations where one thing is said and nomad is quick to agree and even re-enforce hostility.”
Yes that’s true. He follows resw’s lead.
The difference is resw is practicing sophistry while Nomad is sincere in what he believes even if he can’t remember when he believed it.
I can’t remember half my sh*t either. Whatever Nomads smoking, I want some.
Women have great memories. My wife remembers sh*t I did five years ago crystal clear. I’ll be home relaxing and then out of now where this cruise missle lands in my lap. That said their are some things best forgotten.
Hopefully nobody gets Hernith to spit her coffee all over her key board. My keyboard is hard to see because of all the smoke.
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@ resw
Your question I thought was rhetorical. I remain in the US because most of my family is here. What in the world did you think I was going to say?
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For the record, I denounced the immature comment “gratuitously taunting Nomad” made by a teacher no less. It was absolutely disgusting and typical of the ridicule King referenced in his critique of abagond’s blog.
@abagond
I meant what I said that I won’t be answering more of your questions until you’ve answered mine. Again, It’s only fair.
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Lol my wife says those talking about dogons (after a brief synopsis) will be out in the park dressed like ‘wizards and dungeons and dragons’…
@abagond crack. Etc. Alcohol, sex, domestic violence blah blah blah
And i wasnt going to say anything but technically thats corroboration on auto moddy of me and mjb ie a multiple user impacted incident so corroborated per mjb it’s 2?
And um well what else tommy sotomayer the n word etc etc so i see a troll like some dummy who is tryin to put a like stormish agenda out there? Grandpa eg as of late or shills etc they’re out there but resw{40} a troll? No. Everyone seems to be by push shove or lack of traction i guess it was put ‘no true black man’ i see it ableism trying to be a pc black hole (stepping on the shoulders) and that got us all effedup so if u aint grok that im just you know sittin round the campfire riiiight here n all
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Resw and ASGM are no longer under auto-moderation. Nor is anyone else.
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@ resw
I answered your question. Now answer mine: Why do you think you are not troll?
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@”The difference is resw is practicing sophistry while Nomad is sincere in what he believes even if he can’t remember when he believed it.”
Michaeljonbarker needs to realise that his opinion about my “(guessed-at) motives” and “(guessed-at) race”), something he knows absolutely nothing about, does not nor will it ever prove his claim.
Note that michaeljonbarker, Afrofem, lord of mirkwood, abagond, etc. are all doing something that abagond advised against.
This entire blog would benefit if they took the old abagond’s advice:
“The way to disagree with someone is to disagee with their STATEMENTS, particularly the FACTS and REASONING that underlie them.
Not with their (guessed-at) motives.
Not with their (guessed-at) race.
Not with their apparent personal faults.
Not with their grammar or spelling.
NONE of those disproves the truth of what someone says.”
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*regular moddy
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@abagond
will i be deleted if i respond to this paranoid delusional illogical bs?
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@ v8driver
Comment deleted for transphobic slur.
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Resw,
“Its not fair”
MJB “Reinforces hostility” lol
All I do is send it back too you.
Right now I’m reinforcing merrimemt.
I dont know what you thought would happen when you sh*t in a place where others eat. On this thread your the main course.
I noticed LOM went underground. He’s hoping Abagond will forget to do his troll post on him.
It will be amusimg to see how resw rationalizes how resw is not a troll but LOM is. The best move there would be for resw to argue that LOM isn’t a troll.
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@resw
“That’s not true.”—I kindly disagree. I will go into to detail on why if you like, but my point in that statement wasn’t to point the degree to which he agrees with you or not. It was more to point out feeding on your current issue with the Abagond.
An example might better explain. For example, you are treated like a troll for X reason and Nomad is feeding off the idea that he is also getting treated like X for the same reason. Ignoring the reality that his reason for being treated as such are different from yours. It creates the attitude of “Let’s give them hell back” “it’s justified”. When in reality it might be justified for one party, but the other party it is not. The other party is just looking at it as an opportunity to feel victimized and have it be seen as justified.
“But if there’s anyone who is “quick to agree and even reinforce hostility” it’s Afrofem, michaeljonbarker, lord of mirkwood, etc. It’s always those same three+ who initiate personal attacks against me and others together.”—At this point you guys are giving it back equally to each other.
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@ Herneith
The movie has about 20 minutes to go “without further commercial interruption” 😉
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@resw
+1000
imtellinya. its like im in bizarro blog world. some of what im smokin? i want some of what yall smokin.
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@Resw
You do know what sophistry means ? It has nothing to do with who I think you represent but rather how you make your arguments.
Like on the Egyptian thread. It doesn’t matter what Abagond wrote you would have found something to twist around into an argument to belittle Abagond about.
Thats a troll.
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Nomad,
“will i be deleted if i respond to this paranoid delusional illogical bs?
Have a sense of humor Nomad. I was talking about further up the thread when you were constanly quized about what you said and when you posted things.
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@ nomad
I will not delete any comments in response to it as long as there are no slurs, etc.
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@ MJB
It would be up already but I am having trouble just keeping up with this one, bracing for impact. Currently I am 20 minutes behind. Ordinarily that would not be an issue.
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@NJB
Such a stupid disjointed oblique accusation. What can you say to such a hodgepodge? Its more trouble than its worth to point out the disingenuousness and distortion of what has been said. Obviously the forgetting, that happens to us all had nothing to do with the forgeting of ‘beliefs’. It was forgetting having discussed an incident from what I gather must have been years ago. Hahaha. Very funny and kiss my a-s. This is pretty tedious petty bs. As long as you keep doing this tedious petty bs Im going to be telling you its tedious and petty.
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@sharinalr
We respectfully disagree, but if you believe that and are being impartial, surely you can see that’s not the only “feeding on…” that’s occurring here.
This is a thread about resw, and yet there have been 35+ comments made in spite of a ban from addressing or referencing resw (and that’s as detailed as I can get because there’s a reverse ban applied to me).
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@abagond
oh well thats just peachy. tie one hand behind my back, why dont you.
can i still say ‘mofos’?
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@ MJB
Exactly. The same with my comment policy. No matter what I do, he will find something to nitpick, just to give me a hard time. Not because he is genuinely outraged.
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My apologies Nomad.
This is also a true stament.
“MJB is sincere in what he believes even if he can’t remember when he believed it.”
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@ resw
What are you talking about? What are examples?
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@ gro jo
For some reason, I missed your comment upthread:
Afrofem, a simple way of ending a conversation is to state that it is over and ignore further comments from the offending party.
Sage advice, thanks.
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@ nomad
Yes, mofos is allowed, just like ish and effing.
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About the poll: it is a sanity check. If most people said resw was NOT a troll, then it is highly unlikely I would ban him, at least not for his trollish behaviour. I would just figure my feelings are clouding my judgement. But most people saying that he is a troll, is not by itself enough. He might just seem like a pain in the neck because of his unpopular views.
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As always, if you want to tell me something but do not want to say it publicly, you can email me at abagond at gmail.com.
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His actual views are more in the mainstream of this blog than, say, Kiwi or Scribh. So this idea that he is seen as a troll because of his views does not wash. What MJB said seems closer to the truth: he is a jerk or, more precisely, as Solitaire indicated, a contrarian troll.
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@michaeljonbarker
My apologies Nomad.
This is also a true stament.
“MJB is sincere in what he believes even if he can’t remember when he believed it.”
i appreciate it,dude. its just that around here labels stick and people will be referencing such remarks as if they were facts. no telling how many lurkers still believe im a russian troll.
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@michaeljonbarker
“You do know what sophistry means ?”
Firstly, that’s insulting and that’s how interactions turn negative, so please take note.
Yes I know what it means, and I also know that it is your opinion and an incorrect one.
“Like on the Egyptian thread. It doesn’t matter what Abagond wrote you would have found something to twist around into an argument to belittle Abagond about.”
And again that is your opinion, and an incorrect one.
Abagond misrepresented what Chancellor Williams and Cheikh Anta Diop said, and I even provided a direct quote that refuted what abagond alleged Chancellor Williams said as an example.
And yes, I respect both of those scholars immensely, and I also value accurate information. So no I will not let inaccurate information just slide by. And my comment about it was “respectful”. All I said was:
“I don’t know what “heavily mixed” means, but Cheikh Anta Diop never made that claim.
Chancellor Williams really didn’t make that claim either.
What he actually said of the Nineteenth dynasty was:
“So that the Eighteenth, like the great Nineteenth Dynasty of the Ramses, was predominantly black, not all-black””
But I do thank you, michaeljonbarker and abagond for proving me right by demonstrating the negative consequences that result from refuting abagond’s misrepresentations that I suspect now were deliberate.
Because after all, if it were not, like you said, he would have just accepted he made a simple mistake and moved on.
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@abagond
“What are you talking about? What are examples?”
Look at you baiting me into violating the ban you yourself put me under, or am I to believe you still don’t know what I’m talking about?
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@Resw
“are being impartial, surely you can see that’s not the only “feeding on…” that’s occurring here.”—I do. Which Is why I felt my statement”At this point you guys are giving it back equally to each other.” summed it up pretty well. A prime example, is LOM as he does it quite often.
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Nomad,
This is all Herniths fault !!!
That was my failed attempt to humur her.
I’ve been trolled.
Ban her !!! Ban her !!! Ban her !!!
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@ resw
For the rest of this thread, till further notice, you can say WHATEVER you want. I will not delete a thing. Call people whatever names you want. Call ASGM “aka xPraetorius”. Call me the N-word. Curse out Solitaire. Drone on about Nomad. Whatever you want. Go for it. If I ban you it will not be for anything you said or did on the rest of this thread – with one exception: admitting that you are a troll.
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“About the poll: it is a sanity check. ”
If Donald Trump told his Twitter followers for 10 months that abagond was a “top gang thug,” I’m pretty sure a poll of such followers would agree with him too regardless of the facts.
“His actual views are more in the mainstream…”
I beg to differ, at least since you first called me a troll “sometimes” back in September 2016 (and I’ve been commenting since as early as late 2011 by the way).
Your posts since then have been heavily political, which is different than the past, and you and lord of mirkwood’s agreed on most during the election season and after. And I don’t remember him ever refuting any of your anti-RT and anti-Russia propaganda, which you’ve milked.
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@sharinalr
“I do. Which Is why I felt my statement”At this point you guys are giving it back equally to each other.” summed it up pretty well. ”
Thanks, and I respect your honesty.
“A prime example, is LOM as he does it quite often.”
We all know about him. But I see you’re unwilling to be specific about the others…
@abagond
“For the rest of this thread you can say WHATEVER you want. I will not delete a thing.”
No thanks.
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@ resw
Note that you declined that offer. So the normal commenting rules apply. And your ban on not talking about Solitaire.
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@ resw
So you think the Chancellor Williams thing was a trap to bait you?
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@abagond
That’s great because I think the ban can help you. It demonstrated the attack target will just be someone else, like nomad. Even on a thread about resw.
Perhaps it will open your eyes to the real problem and maybe you’ll no longer be a victim. The old abagond wrote a great post on it: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/06/11/white-womens-tears/
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@ resw
Under what name did you comment in 2011? I only know you as resw or resw77 or resjan. Those names only go back to August 2012:
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Resw,
Pointing out your sophestry is an observation not an insult. You utilize it quite a bit.
Maybe your dislike of Abagond blinds you too it or maybe its just second nature.
Regardless maybe I’ll take Grojo’s advise to ignore commentors I dislike.
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Abagond, I wish my question were answered, why you don’t want a poll on whether “Abagond used to be great but has devolved”. Are you afraid of the results?
But I will still answer your question even though you’ve refused multiple times to answer mine.
“So you think the Chancellor Williams thing was a trap to bait you?”
No. I initially thought it was a mistake or at worst gross misunderstanding. As I said upthread, it was your response that made me believe it was deliberate misrepresentation. And me pointing it out was your last straw (and that should serve as a warning to anyone thinking about throwing a wrench in the propaganda mill).
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@michaeljonbarker
“Pointing out your sophestry is an observation not an insult. ”
I was referring to your implication that I didn’t know what it meant. If you frame your questions with such implications they are normally perceived as insulting.
And again, it’s your opinion what constitutes “sophistry”, and yes it implies that you know my motives, which you do not. So again, I’d advise you to adhere to abagond’s advice and and your opinion about my motives is not proof, as per old abagond’s advice:
“The way to disagree with someone is to disagee with their STATEMENTS, particularly the FACTS and REASONING that underlie them.
Not with their (guessed-at) motives.
Not with their (guessed-at) race.”
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@resw
I do not polls left and right. I thought King, Kiwi, Jefe and Mary all made good points, enough to form a basis for discussion. If my ego was that fragile I would not have done such a post to begin with.
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@ resw
The last straw was you and ASGM slinging mud on that thread, a thread that had nothing to do with politics (“Egypt in 1275 BC”). I stopped doing political posts on June 8th, with the Comey hearing, but if anything the mud slinging between you two got worse.
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@abagond
“Under what name did you comment in 2011? ”
The same. I don’t know when I started, that was my guess. But since you did a search I’ll take your word for it.
The point was, it’s curious why it took you until September 2016 to allege me of being a troll only “sometimes”. And what a coincidence it was so soon after all the comments I made refuting your “vote for Clinton anyway because Trump’s way worse” talking points.
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“The last straw was you and ASGM slinging mud on that thread, a thread that had nothing to do with politics”
Please, I was personally attacked by lord of mirkwood for my on-topic comment he didn’t like.
You could have stopped him there, but you refused. As always.
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@ resw
Oh yes, my propaganda machine, constructed in 2006 so that in 2017 I could, as you tell it, lie about you and Russia and trap you with Chancellor Williams. That sounds paranoid.
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@resw
Ok it seems I have to walk you through this. Here is your response to my statement:
“@”The difference is resw is practicing sophistry while Nomad is sincere in what he believes even if he can’t remember when he believed it.”
Michaeljonbarker needs to realise that his opinion about my “(guessed-at) motives” and “(guessed-at) race”), something he knows absolutely nothing about, does not nor will it ever prove his claim.
Note that michaeljonbarker, Afrofem, lord of mirkwood, abagond, etc. are all doing something that abagond advised against.
This entire blog would benefit if they took the old abagond’s advice:
Ect. Ect. Ect ……
As you can see from your response you cleary didn’t comprehend “sophistry” thus my retorical question if you understood what it meant.
Instead you responded with this cluless line.
“Firstly, that’s insulting and that’s how interactions turn negative, so please take note.”
“Yes I know what it means, and I also know that it is your opinion and an incorrect one.”
As i said its not an opinion its an observation of how you reason and argue on the blog.
As Abagond says:
“The way to disagree with someone is to disagee with their STATEMENTS, particularly the FACTS and REASONING that underlie them.
Not with their (guessed-at) motives.
Not with their (guessed-at) race.”
I am taking your statements that you have made on many threads throughout the blog and am pointing out a systematic style of argumemtation.
Sophistry is detected not through assumptions and motives but on the ingenuity of reason behind making a falacious augment.
How you go about making arguments is an observable fact .
It is not just my opinion, but rather conclusive evidence arrived at through reason and critical thinking.
You have been clever in using Abagonds own rules as a deflection but you are going to have to find another crutch.
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“on Tue 27 Jun 2017 at 00:19:21
nomad
gro jo
What madness here. You brought it up. Why would it be my project. You are the one presumably who has read the material. WTF does resw have to do with it? This is just pitiful. You paranoid mofos need to put your eyes on whats important.
Thats what I get for thinking you were serious instead of playing your little gotcha game. Wont make that mistake again.
on Tue 27 Jun 2017 at 00:25:38
nomad
offff topic. that will be my reply the next time gro jo asks me one of his disingenuous questions
gro jo is nothing if not disingenuous”
Gro jo was trying to humor you by arranging a play date for you with your pal resw to tackle the convergence of subjects near and dear to you, Aliens(you) and African traditions(resw). You guys could have had a great deal of fun reading the suggested material, learned from each other and not annoy others on this blog. How was I being ‘disingenuous’? I dreamed up this project out of a genuine, avuncular, interest in you and my little resw.
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Resw and nomad are banned:
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It’s excommunication time, oh well, I guess that leaves me as the only remaining critic of Abagond’s RT farce.
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Note: Even though Resw laughed at my guess of where he was from and, as I pointed out, his use of proxy servers kept his location well hidden in any case, I deleted any comment that made any kind of mention of his location.
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WTF?
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It has been pointed out to me that there has been a surge of No votes.
Compare:
As of last night 64 had voted Yes he is a troll, 15 voted No and 20 voted Not Sure or Kind Of.
Now it stands at 66 Yes, 53 No and 21 Other.
That means 93% of the new votes are votes for No. During the seven days before that only 15% had voted no.
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Does it allow a person to vote more than once?
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@ sharina
One vote per IP address. With a proxy server you could pump it up.
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Abagond said,
“It has been pointed out to me that there has been a surge of No votes.”
I also noticed on LOM’s poll that there are over 100 votes just today. Resw’s poll took a week to get to 100. I think LOM’s poll has been compromised.
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Now at 56 No votes.
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@ Solitaire
In a way I am glad he tried to cheat the poll: it confirms for me that I made the right decision in banning him.
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@abagond the other thing im trollish/agendizing about is my exhibionistic even p u blic self-pyschoanalysis sprry my$15 phone screen thingie fell off too
We’re kind having a little sit-in at our condemned plc
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@Afrofem
” Many of the Black commenters have woven their own personal experiences with anti-Black bigotry into their comments”—A good black sock puppet can do this as well. As I recall Nomad seemed to bring up the incident but carried no real emotional attachment to it. He showed more emotional talking about trump and abagond’s perceived bias. To forget the incident or mentioning 2 days later is further telling.
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