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  1. A new Open Thread!

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  2. Afrofem, when we started this debate I asked you to state the white privileges Whites have. Your comments clearly show that you resent whites for said privileges but you are a little vague in stating what these privileges are. You provided a list of advantages whites enjoy and call them privileges.
    Let’s define privilege and take them one by one:
    1) priv·i·lege
    ˈpriv(ə)lij/
    noun
    noun: privilege; plural noun: privileges

    1.
    a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.
    “education is a right, not a privilege”
    synonyms: advantage, benefit; prerogative, entitlement, right;
    concession, freedom, liberty
    “senior students have certain privileges”. I would agree with you that Whites have more freedom than others because they are white. Privilege, restricted to that definition, is incontrovertible in my opinion, but wrong if you claim Whites have special rights that nobody else enjoys.
    2) “The net worth of the average White family is nine times the net worth of the average Black family.” How is that a special right that only Whites
    enjoy? Some Asians do better than Whites and some Blacks do better than the average Black family.
    3) “The White privilege of those unemployed White workers also means that they don’t have to worry about constant police harassment in their neighborhoods or the spector of long term imprisonment for “broken windows” offenses.” All you’ve shown here is that Blacks have not attained full equality under the law, nothing else. Whites enjoy full citizenship. That’s a right not a privilege in the sense that they are getting something they have no legitimate right to. Blacks have, correctly, always fought for the same right.
    4) ” Your hypothetical “redneck GI” is more privileged than Colin Powell on several fronts. It is a false argument to conflate the White enlisted man’s privilege bestowed on him by virtue of his skin color to the privilege of rank earned by Colin Powell. Ditto for any White working woman and Oprah (a favorite strawman) of White privilege deniers.” Interesting, you believe in the privilege of rank as long as it’s earned? I’m certain that you can find a number of whites who satisfy your criterion. Can you deny that Bill Gates earned his privilege? John Henry Thompson, the inventor of the Lingo software language is virtually unknown probably because he’s black. Is this a case of unearned white privilege? Could be, US society isn’t wired to celebrate black creativity on equal terms with white creativity. Maybe, it might be because one made an indecent amount of money while the other didn’t. Getting back to my hypothetical “redneck GI”, please tell me how his privilege allows him to disregard an order from Powell that could cost him his life?

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  3. @gro jo

    I wouldn’t exactly call this a debate; more like a discussion.

    “…Your comments clearly show that you resent whites for said privileges”

    You are joking, right?

    I think any system that confers unearned privileges on the basis of skin color, gender or any other criteria is due for an overhaul. I’m not resentful of individuals. The system is the problem——and the solution.

    I will add more thoughts tomorrow. It has been a long day….

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  4. @gro jo

    …wrong if you claim Whites have special rights that nobody else enjoys.

    I do see European descent Americans as having a full tranche of privileges that other Americans do not enjoy. Every single White child knows that he/she is part of a dominant group and that that makes them “normal” and everyone else less than normal or desirable.

    Conversely, every Black American child realizes around the age of four that everything about them is considered less than “normal” or desirable. It is a crushing realization that some Black children internalize, personalize and never recover from.

    Peggy McIntosh, author of White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack, describes White privilege this way:

    “As a white person, I realized I had been taught about racism as something that puts others at a disadvantage, but had been taught not to see one of its corollary aspects, white privilege, which puts me at an advantage.

    I think whites are carefully taught not to recognize white privilege, as males are taught not to recognize male privilege…I have come to see white privilege as an invisible package of unearned assets that I can count on cashing in each day, but about which I was “meant” to remain oblivious. White privilege is like an invisible weightless knapsack of special provisions, maps, passports, codebooks, visas, clothes, tools and blank checks.[…]

    The pressure to avoid it is great, for in facing it I must give up the myth of meritocracy. If these things are true, this is not such a free country; one’s life is not what one makes it; many doors open for certain people through no virtues of their own.[…]

    My skin color was an asset for any move I was educated to want to make.

    […]obliviousness about white advantage, like obliviousness about male advantage, is kept strongly inculturated in the United States so as to maintain the myth of meritocracy, the myth that democratic choice is equally available to all. Keeping most people unaware that freedom of confident action is there for just a small number of people props up those in power and serves to keep power in the hands of the same groups that have most of it already.”

    http://nationalseedproject.org/white-privilege-unpacking-the-invisible-knapsack

    McIntosh goes on to list 26 everyday ways in which she can count on White privilege to smooth her interactions with other people and how she think s of herself.

    One privilege on the list really hit home for me:
    “10. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.”

    I’ve had retail workers demand picture identification on a regular basis when I use credit or debit cards. The workers who are most insistent about ID are Latino and Asian immigrants, plus some Black people. In some cases, I would be the only person in a checkout line who was expected to produce ID.

    So yes, gro jo, White privilege is not a chimera to me. It is all too real.

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  5. “One privilege on the list really hit home for me:
    “10. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.”

    I’ve had retail workers demand picture identification on a regular basis when I use credit or debit cards. The workers who are most insistent about ID are Latino and Asian immigrants, plus some Black people. In some cases, I would be the only person in a checkout line who was expected to produce ID.

    So yes, gro jo, White privilege is not a chimera to me. It is all too real.”

    If that’s what you call a privilege, we are already in agreement. You failed to note the following passage I wrote above: “I would agree with you that Whites have more freedom than others because they are white. Privilege, restricted to that definition, is incontrovertible in my opinion, but wrong if you claim Whites have special rights that nobody else enjoys.”
    As I’ve indicated on the previous thread, the only privilege whites enjoy that nobody else does is to receive lenient treatment after killing a nonwhite person. I’ve used credit cards, routinely, without having to show ID. In my experience, the demand for ID has occurred mostly at establishments run by Hispanics, not Whites! Our experience match!
    Are you sure you quoted this accurately? It makes no sense: “10. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.” What does “… I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.” mean? Why would it be a good thing to have one’s skin color not work against the appearance of financial stability?
    Let’s sum up. The stuff you present are rights that Whites have and Blacks don’t due to the history of the USA. Blacks should strive for parity, not some nonsense about Whites giving up the rights they enjoy as full citizens. The whole white privilege thing, except, in white on black or any other person of color homicide, is nonsense.

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  6. @gro jo

    We will have to agree to disagree.

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  7. Fair enough.

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  8. “10. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.”
    Oh, I get it now, she was saying that her white skin did not undermine the appearance of financial stability.

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  9. @gro jo

    One question: What event or series of events led you to your conclusion that White privilege is “nonsense”?

    We all come to this forum with widely disparate experiences and outlooks. What shaped your opinion on White privilege?

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  10. @ Herneith

    Thanks for the link. Chauncey DeVega is one of my favorite writers. His podcasts are also a blast.

    P. S. Is there a Black History month in Canada?

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  11. P. S. Is there a Black History month in Canada?

    Yes, such as it is.

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  12. @Herneith

    Which month?

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  13. “What shaped your opinion on White privilege?”
    As a kid, I spent two years rubbing shoulders with whites in French boarding schools and as a guest during the weekends at the homes of white families. I came away from this experience with a more realistic view of whites. Most of the White privilege claims are at odds with my personal experience. The waitstaff at these institutions, regardless of their personal opinions, waited on me the way they waited on all the other boarders. Every Thursday, we would stroll along the town’s canal where boats called péniches were docked. I never had a doubt that I was better off than the kids I saw on these boats. Enough with the biographical detail, on to the shakiness of the whole White Privilege concept.
    Your hero, Chauncey DeVega wrote: “White privilege is a concept which describes the unearned social, political, economic, and other advantages that white people receive because of their skin color…An acknowledgement of privilege often requires that a person reorient themselves in the world and reconsider their relationships with other people.”
    So, White individuals, no matter what their personal circumstance, have the power to upend a system that’s “…an invisible package of unearned assets that I can count on cashing in each day, but about which I was “meant” to remain oblivious.” by reorienting themselves in the world and reconsider their relationships with other people!? That,to me, sounds like a variant of Dorothy clicking her heels and saying “There’s no place like home”. My view is that most of what’s called “white privilege” is white people enjoying their rights as citizens of a republic. Blacks and others should aspire to do the same, not demand that Whites give up what they earned through revolutions and reforms.

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  14. @Abagond

    Will you be writing about the ongoing prison strike? I have been reading about prison slavery and I am disgusted.

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  15. on Fri 21 Oct 2016 at 15:10:01 Lord of Mirkwood

    @Abagond

    Yes, a post on the prison strike would be great.

    The people striking are incredibly brave and deserve to have their story told. To me, this episode brings to mind the Irish freedom’ fighters hunger strike in the Maze Prison. Then and now, it takes staggering courage to stand up to the powers that be when you are completely in their grasp.

    I call God’s blessing upon all the strikers.

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  16. @ villagewriter

    Yes I will.

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  17. @gro jo

    I saw this article and thought of you:

    https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/heres-what-economists-dont-understand-about-race

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    Why should Black people “aspire to” enjoy the rights of citizens of a republic when they contribute to the economy & culture, pay taxes, fight wars and have even deeper roots in said republic than the White citizens (most Black families have been in the US for 300 years versus an average 150 years for White families).

    Why are the rights of Black Americans conditional on the goodwill of others and the rights of White Americans guaranteed in theory and practice?

    From my perspective, your statement, “White individuals, no matter what their personal circumstance, have the power to upend a system…” ignores the fact that European-Americans don’t have to “upend” anything. They are free to access the riches of this society to the extent that they know what is available. Many low income White Americans are simply ignorant of all that is available to them. Why should they care? Many White Americans with less than a high school education earn more than Black Americans with college degrees.

    That to me, is the very epitome of White privilege.

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  18. “@gro jo

    I saw this article and thought of you:

    https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/heres-what-economists-dont-understand-about-race” In what way did the article make you think of me?
    “Why should Black people “aspire to” enjoy the rights of citizens of a republic when they contribute to the economy & culture, pay taxes, fight wars and have even deeper roots in said republic than the White citizens (most Black families have been in the US for 300 years versus an average 150 years for White families).” Because they don’t have a choice in the matter. Whites will not give up any of their hard won rights to please Blacks or anybody else. Blacks will have to continue to challenge the social system as they have since they landed in the Americas.
    I don’t see why you would object to the term “aspire to” unless you are claiming that Blacks have already achieved the goal or the goal is no longer worth persuing.
    William Darity, Jr. is correct when he wrote the following: ” “There’s actually something convenient about those arguments in the sense that if you took them seriously, it would mean that blacks were fully capable of engaging in the self-correction to improve their situation, so there would not necessarily be any need to rely upon social policy that would require the political support of whites,”…“Obviously there are always going to be individuals who are outliers, who accomplish great things with minimal resources. But if we’re thinking about patterns at the average, then I think one of the most dramatic statistics that we’ve discovered in the work that we’ve been doing is that blacks with a college education, that is, blacks who have a college degree, have two-thirds of the net worth of whites who never finished high school. That’s a stark sense in which somebody has taken personal responsibility, has been motivated, has achieved, but there’s not the same payoff.”… “If you buy the black dysfunction story, then the key is for young black men to pull up their pants or the equivalent,”… “But that’s a very different policy from saying, well, we should assure all Americans a human right to work. Or even if we don’t talk about an employment guarantee, then at least the basic income guarantee.”…“If we’re concerned about black-white disparities specifically and we want to have a race-specific policy, then I think we have to start talking about a program of reparations [for slavery].”… “If we are not willing to pursue race-specific policies,” Darity argues, “then we need universal programs that are race-conscious in the sense that they will disproportionately benefit the most disadvantaged groups even though they are programs that everyone is eligible for.” One such program would be a Federal job guarantee. ”
    The candidacy of that old faker “Bernie” Sanders tells me that a number of Whites would go for something like a Federal job guarantee. Thanks for introducing Darity to me. He stands head and shoulders above DeVega.
    “From my perspective, your statement, “White individuals, no matter what their personal circumstance, have the power to upend a system…” ignores the fact that European-Americans don’t have to “upend” anything.”
    Shame on you Afrofem for misquoting me. Here’s the quotation in full: “So, White individuals, no matter what their personal circumstance, have the power to upend a system that’s “…an invisible package of unearned assets that I can count on cashing in each day, but about which I was “meant” to remain oblivious.” by reorienting themselves in the world and reconsider their relationships with other people!? As it shows, I’m questioning the claim that European-Americans can change a system they are oblivious to after DeVega tells them about it. They would simply disbelieve him and dismiss his argument as nonsense. So, harping on about “White Privilege” is a waste of time in my opinion.
    “They are free to access the riches of this society to the extent that they know what is available. Many low income White Americans are simply ignorant of all that is available to them. Why should they care? Many White Americans with less than a high school education earn more than Black Americans with college degrees.

    That to me, is the very epitome of White privilege.”
    You’ve already clearly stated your antipathy to them in your original comment. “@villagewriter

    Thanks for the link.

    I found John Ibbitson’s argument full of false equivalents and maudlin sympathy for working class White people. Sympathy I don’t share.”

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  19. Afrofem, I don’t know if you realize it but your claims about poor whites sounds like the stuff White conservatives say about poor blacks. You could make a fortune making all those ignorant whites aware of the ‘limitless’ opportunities available to them!

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  20. For anyone who is interested:

    Nightmare online magazine (horror and dark fantasy) (http://www.nightmare-magazine.com) is running a special issue in October called “People of Colo(u)r Destroy Horror!” in the same vein as the Lightspeed magazine special issue I posted about here:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2016/01/01/star-wars-the-force-awakens/#comment-317534

    Nightmare also published an interesting essay by Tananarive Due in July about anti-black violence, police brutality, and horror literature:

    http://www.nightmare-magazine.com/nonfiction/h-word-writing-horror/

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  21. @gro jo

    I am absolutely shame-less! LOL!!!

    I find it hilarious that you would defend people who skate on their unearned skin privilege every day of their lives. People who become angry and defensive if you so much as speak standard English to them.

    I grew up with the people you are defending. They are not strangers to me. I understand them like a mongoose understands a cobra. I know they would harm and abuse cosmopolitan, European prep school you just as readily as they harm and abuse a poor, Black tin-roof shack dweller from Alabama.

    So no, I have no sympathy for the “people from Peoria”. I recognize their humanity and would give them basic respect——–which is way, way more than you or I would receive in return from them.

    They chose over the past forty years to sway to rightwing snake charmers and now they have to pay the piper. They had the power to collaborate with Black people and others to build a country where everyone thrives. They chose otherwise.

    We will all have to suffer through a long period of instability, because they chose their vaunted White privilege over the good of the nation.

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  22. @ Herneith

    Thanks for the link. I will have to read it later tonight.

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  23. @Abagond: Are you going to do a post on Deborah Danner the black woman who suffered from schizophrenia and was shot dead by cops.

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  24. @ Solitaire: Tananarive Due is one of my favorite writers of the genre of horror.

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  25. @Solitaire: Thanks for that link it looks wonderful.

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  26. @Solitaire: I have the Nightmare magazine podcast don’t know how I missed the website. Thanks again this is my kind of thing.

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  27. “@gro jo

    I am absolutely shame-less! LOL!!!

    I find it hilarious that you would defend people who skate on their unearned skin privilege every day of their lives. People who become angry and defensive if you so much as speak standard English to them.”
    Oh, come on now, where have I defended anybody? If they are skating on their unearned skin privilege, how can they also be ignorant of “all that is available to them.”?
    Where have I denied that they enjoy more breaks than non-whites? I’ve only argued that what DeVega and you claim to be absolute advantages are relative ones.
    I’ve held off on the sarcasm in this discussion with you because I admire and respect your intellect. It pains me to see you resort to silly accusations like the one above or twisting my skeptical question regarding DeVega’s program to deprogram Whites, to make it appear as if I’m trying to excuse White racism.
    If this discussion pains you, I’m perfectly willing to drop it, since we’ve both already expressed our views on the subject. I have no wish to see it degenerate into a litany of unfounded accusations

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  28. “They chose over the past forty years to sway to rightwing snake charmers and now they have to pay the piper. They had the power to collaborate with Black people and others to build a country where everyone thrives. They chose otherwise.”
    Really? What was going on in 1976 to lead you to such conclusion?

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  29. @gro jo

    This discussion didn’t “pain me” in the least. Whether you meant it or not, I saw it as a devil’s advocate argument. You made me think of the weaknesses of my arguments. That is a good thing.

    My basic position is unchanged.

    I don’t worship DeVega. I’ve read and listened to him enough to recognize my own disagreements with both his style and substance.

    Finally, I think the only people who can “deprogram Whites” are other European Americans. They won’t listen to anyone else.

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  30. I already know about the Boston school busing pogroms. I was curious about the collaboration with Blacks part of your comment, when was that on the agenda and who put it there?

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  31. @ Herneith

    I finally had a chance to read that article that included comments from Elaine Brown.

    I found the author, Tim Slater’s style to be filled with typical British sarcasm and sensationalism. In the author’s rush to label BLM as ineffective, the author leans heavily into hyperbole such as:

    “Politics is about seeing the world as it is and how it might be. But BLM’s pessimistic, conspiratorial views on ‘white supremacy’ render it incapable of seeing either. And its chronic lack of vision has brought it into conflict not just with former Panthers, but with the old civil-rights establishment.

    As the US-based journalist Jenny Jarvie notes, civil-rights veteran and former mayor of Atlanta Andrew Young recently said BLMers were ‘unlovable little brats’ who lacked ‘a clear message’. Atlanta activists responded in an unfortunately bratty fashion: ‘It is dismissive and disrespectful to ask black people why they are taking to the streets, affirming their lives and healing.’”

    Quoting Andrew “Sell-Out” Young in the same article with Elaine Brown is an insult to Brown. While I understand Brown’s frustration with BLM, I am reminded of two things:

    1. The Black Panther Party (BPP) was far from perfect. They were a group of twenty-somethings trying to challenge a vicious system with very little help or guidance. I don’t think they ever truly understood the strengths or weaknesses of their adversaries. I deeply respect their effort and their sacrifice (many members are still being held as political prisoners to this day.)

    2. BLM/The Movement For Black Lives is far from perfect. They are a group of twenty-somethings trying to challenge a vicious system with very little help or guidance. I don’t think they truly understand the strengths or weaknesses of their adversaries (some of whom they are accepting funding from—–big mistake). I deeply respect their effort and their sacrifice.

    In other words, I see BLM’s struggle as a continuation of BPP’s struggle. At least they have the guts to make a stand.

    I hope they don’t suffer the same fate. Only time will tell….

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  32. @ Mary Burrell

    You’re very welcome! I’m just happy someone found it of interest!

    I really like Tananarive Due’s science fiction and fantasy work. I have difficulties with the horror genre, but many stories are more like dark fantasy which doesn’t bother me. I make sure never to read Nightmare late at night because some of the stories are too creepy for me and I can rarely tell which ones by the title alone.

    If you look back in the archives, they also did special issues called Women Destroy Horror! and Queers Destroy Horror!

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  33. @gro jo

    “I was curious about the collaboration with Blacks part of your comment, when was that on the agenda and who put it there?”

    1. Before his assassination in 1969, Fred Hampton of the Black Panther Party was able to build a coalition in Chicago that included the BPP, the Puerto Rican Young Lords and a working class White group called the Young Patriots. According to Jakobi Williams, associate professor of African American and African diaspora studies and history at Indiana University. in an interview with Aaron Leonard:

    “The Black Panther Party on a national level worked diligently to form coalitions that transcended race under a rubric of class struggle against the US capitalist system. What makes the Illinois chapter of the Panthers so profound is that they were able to reach and exceed the goals set forth by the Party’s founder in a city with much racial strife. There were at least six major racial explosions in the city of Chicago in the 1960s alone.

    Due to the genius of Bob Lee and Fred Hampton, they were able to build an alliance with the Young Patriots, poor southern white migrants located on the north side in Uptown and many of its members used the confederate flag as its symbol. Bob Lee was able to demonstrate the commonalities of their struggles and the ILBPP [Illinois Chapter of the Black Panther Party] had community service programs to solve all the issues that the poor white migrants faced such as: the Free Breakfast Program, the Free Health Clinic, and several others. The Panthers trained the Young Patriots and other poor southern white migrants how to set up and maintain community service programs that benefited their community and thus a coalition between the groups was established setting the stage for the creation of the original Rainbow Coalition.”

    http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/157874

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    2. Just prior to his assassination in 1968, Dr. Martin Luther King was putting the final touches on planning a multi-ethnic Poor People’s campaign (march and encampment) in Washington, DC.

    In March of 1968, Dr. King met with “The first gathering of over fifty multiracial organizations that came together with SCLC to join the Poor People’s Campaign, took place in Atlanta, Georgia in March 1968. Key leaders and organizations at this session included: Tom Hayden of the Newark Community Union, Reis Tijerina of the Federal Alliance of New Mexico, John Lewis of the Southern Regional Council, Myles Horton of the Highlander Center, Appalachian volunteers from Kentucky, welfare rights activists, California farm workers, and organized tenants.”

    According to the site of the current Poor People’s campaign,

    “King emphasized the need for poor whites, Blacks, Latinos, Asians, and Native Americans to unite. He asserted that the Poor People’s Campaign would only be successful if the poor could come together across all the obstacles and barriers set up to divide us…”

    http://poorpeoplescampaign.org/poor-peoples-campaign-1968/

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  34. @Solitaire

    I can’t take horror films. My husband loves the genre. When I asked him how he could look at it, he told me that nothing in those films was a bad as real life.

    He’s right, real life can be pretty horrific.

    Thanks for the link.

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  35. @ Afrofem

    Right there with you on the movies. Your husband is absolutely correct about movies vs real life. But the thing about horror movies is they’re designed to scare us, artificially setting off all our autonomic responses to fear. Some people enjoy this as a cathartic release in a safe environment. I think with me, it overloads my system and I carry the fear response for too long after the movie’s over.

    The weird thing is, the times I’ve been in the most danger in real life, I’ve never been afraid until after the threat has passed. I have no idea why I react so badly to scary movies and so calmly in life-or-death situations.

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  36. Thanks for the history Afrofem. I was aware of all these initiatives by MLK and FH. I would even say that’s probably the reason they were murdered. What’s not clear to me is the role played by poor Whites in the destruction of these initiatives. FH was murdered by a black police spy who infiltrated the BPP. MLK’s assassin appeared to be part of organized white supremacist groups. The BPP lost several members killed by people connected to Ron Karenga, the Black Nationalist who gave us Kwanzaa. The feud between BPP and US(Karenga’s group) was manipulated by the FBI as part of COINTELPRO. I would appreciate it if you’d go into more detail on the role played by “people from Peoria”, “cobras”, in this story.

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  37. @ gro jo

    You’re right. That reply is something out of “opposites day”. I should have turned off my computer and turned in for the night instead of continuing to write.

    My error. I will provide a coherent answer later.

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  38. @ Solitaire

    I have similar reactions to emergency situations. My mind becomes clearer and sharper. I don’t succumb to panic at those points.

    My husband has a keen appreciation for well done psychological horror. Yet he sits through more gruesome physical horror with equal relish.

    When I see depictions of physical violence, I think of the consequences of that violence: shattered eardrums, long term back pain, migraines, loss of limbs, painful recuperations and stressed relationships.

    If a torture scene comes up, I will walk out of the room. I have read so many accounts of people trying to put their lives back together after torture, that all I think about are the long term effects of that depiction of torture.

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  39. @ Afrofem

    “My mind becomes clearer and sharper.”

    Yes! And everything slows down, like time itself is being distorted.

    About the depictions of physical violence, torture, etc, do you have the same reaction for any movie or does it depend on the genre? The reason I ask is, although such scenes are always disturbing, I find that I can handle them better in serious films where the implications of such violence are explored.

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  40. @Afrofem:

    Your husband should watch that television series ‘The Exorcist’, not the movie! Most of the people find it frightening, I found it to be akin to a sopa opera about demons!

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  41. @Herneith: For many years in the genre of horror films The Exorcist scared me the most. The demon’s voice done by the late Mercedes Mccambridge scared me and the makeup used on the girl. But I watch The Walking Dead today in 2016 in my dark living room and it doesn’t bother me. The zombies make the same gutteral sounds as the demon in film and the makeup is the same. I had to laugh at my silliness for being scared. They are about the same visually. The show on FOX is pretty good i like it.

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  42. I am more afraid of the real monsters walking around in real life than I am of the ones on the small screen.

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  43. @Solitaire

    I walk out or cover my eyes on all torture scenes regardless of genre. It hurts to see other people in pain.

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  44. @ Herneith

    I will bring it up to him. He loves that scary stuff. He doesn’t even jump at the worst scenes.

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  45. @Mary Burrell

    “I am more afraid of the real monsters walking around in real life than I am of the ones on the small screen.”

    Agreed! There are lots of real life monsters in this world.

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  46. I always wondered at these demonic stories. If I was a demon, I would come to earth and live in the lap of luxury, not roll around in my own bodily waste, projectile vomiting, spinning my head around with snot and pimples all over my face. The obscenities, maybe.

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  47. Interesting reflections of a White officer regarding the complex relationships between the police and Black communities in the USA, after a close encounter with a Black youngster driving while Black,

    (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/12/us/officer-traffic-stop-fb-post-trnd/index.html)

    I only hope that his thoughts will make his colleagues think too.
    It’s too soon to give up hope.

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  48. @munubantu

    Thanks for the link.

    I am cynical and suspicious of those White “feel good” stories, especially ones involving the police. I consider them pro-police propaganda—–copaganda. A sub-genre of “White savior” propaganda that floods US media daily.

    Red flags in the story for me included:

    ⚑smiling White cop in full uniform holding a baby (images of babies are used extensively in the US to sell everything from soap to automobiles).

    “I truly don’t even care who’s fault it is that young man was so scared to have a police officer at his window. Blame the media, blame bad cops, blame protestors, or Colin Kaepernick if you want. It doesn’t matter to me who’s to blame. I just wish somebody would fix it.”

    Fascinating to me that this police officer is criticizing consequences (media coverage, anti-impunity protests and Colin Kaepernick (?) instead of causes ( a system of police impunity, extreme police violence and police militarization).

    “He wants to create a nonprofit whose goal is to establish change the way officers police”.

    Hmmm. Do we really need another non-profit or do we need justice and sanity in public policy and enforcement?

    ❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅❅

    Copaganda is extremely pervasive in the US. The police have their own broadcast television channel. The majority of US television drama shows center around law enforcement agencies at the federal, state or local level. When a cop is injured or killed in America, the national media will refer to the police as “heroes” and call them “our police”. Just the other day a national news anchor lied on air and said that on-the-job death rate for cops has gone up fifty percent. The reality is just the opposite. According to Huffington Post:

    “Data released by the FBI on Monday shows that 2015 was one of the safest years for U.S. law enforcement in recorded history, following a sustained trend of low numbers of on-duty deaths in recent decades. […]

    The data contrasts with the claims from some conservative media outlets and police union bosses who have continued to peddle the narrative that officers are under siege. The past two years have seen a surge in police reform activism in the wake of Michael Brown’s death in Ferguson, Missouri, and other high-profile instances of police killing civilians. But critics of this movement allege that groups like Black Lives Matter promote violence against officers, and have helped wage a “war on cops.”

    That misinformation may have contributed to a skewed public perception of the issue. In a 2015 Rasmussen poll, 58 percent of voters said they believed there was a “war on police” in the United States.

    But the FBI’s data has repeatedly contradicted these claims.”

    So I tend to think of articles like the one you shared as attempts to shift the narrative away from a corrupt system to a decent individual. Naked propaganda or copaganda in this case.

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  49. @ Mary Burrell

    “Are you going to do a post on Deborah Danner the black woman who suffered from schizophrenia and was shot dead by cops.”

    Yes.

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  50. @gro jo

    Still working on my comment to you….

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  51. Boy, oh boy, I feel bad for the “cobras” from Peoria. A ton of cogitation is about to drop on their heads.

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  52. Folks, I need your help! I need to purchase a new vacuum. Any suggestions? Preferably an upright.

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  53. @gro jo

    ”I was curious about the collaboration with Blacks part of your comment, when was that on the agenda and who put it there?”

    There have been many times over the course of this country’s history that White people could have collaborated with Black people in ways that would have been mutually beneficial. They chose not to because they thought White Privilege would shield them from some natural or human made scourge. Most of the time they just didn’t care about the lives of Black people.

    There are at least four instances in the past thirty years that White people have chosen not to collaborate with Black people and the country as a whole has suffered as a result. They include:

    The Drug War – White people account for 80 percent of drugs bought and sold in the US. Those numbers have stayed constant for decades. Yet, the corporate media has convinced many Americans that the nation’s drug problem has a Black face. From Reefer Madness in the 1930s to the Crack Epidemic of the 1980s and 1990s, Black communities have borne the brunt of government attempts to regulate what people put in their own bodies.

    The so-called Drug War has ushered in many anti-democratic changes to laws and enforcement practices: militarized police, harsh sentencing guidelines that abrogate the power and discretion of the judiciary branch and the growth of the Prison Industrial complex. At any point, White Americans could have shown compassion for Black addicts and their families, but instead cheered on the criminalization of entire communities.

    Now, White America is in the grip of three simultaneous drug epidemics: Methamphetamines, Heroin and Opiates. Now they are wailing about “compassion for addicts and their families” and “treatment, not prison”. Result: Missed opportunities to add sanity to drug laws.

    The 2000 Presidential Election – Bush was selected in the 2000 election through the use of various forms of organized chicanery. From rigged voting machines to altered voter rolls to physically blocking Black voters from accessing the polls, many of his methods ran roughshod over the rights of Black citizens.

    When Black voters put up a hue and cry about voter abuse, the White owned media spent months pooh poohing those concerns. I remember months of editorial pages and letters to the editor dismissing the concerns of Black voters and their “imaginary” problems at the polls. They were labeled “sore losers”.

    There were some White citizens who were also upset about the theft of the election, but they just couldn’t bring themselves to work with Black citizens to nip that problem in the bud. Result: Missed opportunities to reform the electoral system.

    Bank Bailouts – The massive bank bailouts following the Financial Crash of 2008 infuriated the majority of ordinary Americans across racial and class lines. There were many national and local groups that tried to band together and pressure the government to end cash infusions to the banks, prosecute and imprison the highly placed thieves that crashed the system.

    After the crash, the majority of White Americans simply hunkered down and looked the other way as numbers of Black people, Latinos, and low income White people slid off the edge of a financial cliff, into a chasm of joblessness and house evictions.

    Now many Americans have joined the “precariat”———just one thin paycheck from homelessness. The bankers who crashed the system? They still wallow in million dollar bonuses. They also bribed Congress to make sure there wouldn’t be any nasty legal repercussions for their Wall Street casinos.

    Result: Missed opportunities to reform the financial system.

    Emergency Manager Laws in Michigan – After a generation of deindustrialization, the state government of Michigan ended revenue sharing with local municipalities, instead of raising taxes on the wealthiest Michiganders. This left many local towns and cities struggling to cover basic services.

    Governor Rick Snyder and other Republicans decided that some “disaster capitalism” was just what Michigan needed. They passed an anti-democratic “Emergency Manager” law. To their credit, the people of Michigan pushed back with a statewide referendum overturning the law. However, lame duck Michigan legislators with nothing to lose overturned the will of the people by nullifying the results of the referendum.

    Since 2011, it’s been dictatorship and hard(er) times for the blackest and poorest Michiganders since. Roughly 50 percent of all Black Michigan citizens are under “emergency management”. This is how Abagond describes the power of the emergency manager:

    ”An emergency manager is not elected. He answers only to the governor. He has the power to override the democratically elected city government, its laws and contracts (except with banks). He can do pretty much anything except miss a bond payment.”

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2016/01/23/flint-water-crisis/

    Instead of continuing to fight against this affront to democracy, the White citizens of Michigan averted their eyes, leaving the Black citizens to struggle on their own. Collaboration would have made a tremendous difference in the lives of everyone in Michigan. Since it is overwhelmingly Black people affected (so far), White residents couldn’t care less.

    Result: Missed opportunities to shore up democracy and prevent the ongoing Flint Water Crisis.

    As far as I am concerned, all of these situations could have been avoided if the “people in Peoria” gave a care about other human beings————their fellow citizens, instead of being wrapped up in their White Privilege. They forget that we are all connected. Black people suffer today, White people suffer tomorrow. Working together could ameliorate a lot of that pain, both today and in the future.

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  54. Afrofem, it took you four days to come up with this list of grievances against an abstraction called White People with equally abstract White Privileges?
    What your list shows is that Blacks and poor minority communities are the proverbial canaries in the US coalmine. The ills of the society are manifested first in their communities. Does it mean that Whites are immune as your talk of privilege would imply? No. Note that I’m not claiming that you’ve argued something so demonstrably false.
    Speaking of coalmines, coal miners who are overwhelmingly white can hardly be called privileged since they are exposed to work related diseases when they are in demand and pushed aside when no longer needed. I’m disappointed by your comment because it doesn’t answer my question: “I was curious about the collaboration with Blacks part of your comment, when was that on the agenda and who put it there?” I expected you to write about Jesse Jackson’s run for president in 1988 and how the Peoria “cobras” sabotaged his campaign or some other political development like that. How about Wallace’s 1968 presidential campaign and how Nixon’s law and order program broke the South from the Democratic party, as LBJ predicted that Civil Rights legislation would? You haven’t told me anything new.
    “As far as I am concerned, all of these situations could have been avoided if the “people in Peoria” gave a care about other human beings————their fellow citizens, instead of being wrapped up in their White Privilege.”
    My dear, this is embarrassingly preachy. White working class people can’t stop their employers from hiring cheaper Asian labor or exporting jobs to Asia in the pursuit of higher profits, yet you expect them to do things that would benefit minorities?
    “Roughly 50 percent of all Black Michigan citizens are under “emergency management”…Instead of continuing to fight against this affront to democracy, the White citizens of Michigan averted their eyes, leaving the Black citizens to struggle on their own. Collaboration would have made a tremendous difference in the lives of everyone in Michigan. Since it is overwhelmingly Black people affected (so far), White residents couldn’t care less.”
    What has the Black political class done to distinguish itself in this struggle? Have Blacks thrown the rascals out and elected new leaders ready to fight? How come Blacks were more defiant when they had less power in the 1950-60s?
    You dump all the blame on Whites and let off the Blacks who have worked hand in glove with Snyder. Does the name Kevyn Duane Orr mean anything to you? Is he an honorary white? Should we be “proud” that a “brother” was put in charge of squeezing the last nickel out of the city? Narrow racial thinking leads nowhere.

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  55. @gro jo

    Thank you for sharing your opinion.

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  56. Afrofem
    You are welcome. Anytime you want to discuss this subject further, I’ll gladly engage you.

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  57. @ Herneith

    Thanks for the link. I’m not surprised. Facebook is primarily unethical.

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  58. @Herneith

    Wow.

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  59. @ Herneith

    The “diversity” question on Monster.com:

    http://dailyoftheday.com/does-race-matter-when-youre-applying-for-a-job/

    Monster never worked for me. Now I know why.

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  60. on Sat 29 Oct 2016 at 17:54:42 Lord of Mirkwood

    The North Dakota police have moved in and dislodged the peaceful protesters of the Dakota Access Pipeline at Standing Rock. They used SWAT teams and police dogs, reminiscent of Alabama circa 1963, to do the foul deed.

    Bernie Sanders is still fighting the good fight. Yesterday, he wrote a letter to President Obama demanding that he stop the pipeline, citing the horrendous environmental impact it will have. Our planet is at stake. This is just another reason why I love Bernie Sanders – platonically, of course. Maybe “idolize” is a better word 😉

    http://www.attn.com/stories/12357/bernie-sanders-sent-powerful-letter-president-obama

    And this morning, Bill McKibben wrote an incredibly powerful op-ed in the New York Times, which I must have re-read at least thrice.

    What’s happening along the Missouri is of historic consequence. That message should reverberate not just on the lonely high plains, but in our biggest cities, too. Native Americans have carried the fight, but they deserve backup from everyone with a conscience; other activists should join the protest at bank headquarters, Army Corps offices and other sites of entrenched power.

    The Native Americans are the only people who have inhabited this continent in harmony with nature for centuries. Their traditional wisdom now chimes perfectly with the latest climate science. The only thing missing are the bodies of the rest of us joining in their protest. If we use them wisely, a fresh start is possible.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/opinion/why-dakota-is-the-new-keystone.html?_r=0

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  61. I’m surprised that anyone thinks any politician cares about the environment. Both parties take money from Big Oil. The entire Washington Establishment, (funded by the people) think The People are an impediment to their highest priorities. Talk about a disconnect!

    It’s time for those “latte” environmentalists to follow McKibben’s summons and protest at banks, Army Corps of Engineers offices and North Dakota (brrrr) to stand with the Native Americans on the front lines.

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  62. @Afrofem
    Regarding your assumption that Michiganders (of any colour) couldn’t care less about the Emergency Manager Laws and are looking the other way…

    We actually cared enough to take the 1990 version to the ballot box and vote it down (which you stated, so thanks for noticing). Legislators then replaced it with something “different” but essentially the same in 2012 that’s more difficult to overturn. We have sued and lost… most recently in September where a FEDERAL appeals court upheld it. This will go all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. This is a NATIONAL issue now. Because if the rest of Americans continue to think of it as a Michigan problem, the Supreme Court will establish a precedent that allows even more consolidation of power at the State level. I’m not certain what the solution is when a City’s government fails it’s citizenry… but I haven’t seen where replacing inept and sometimes corrupt local officials with inept and often corrupt State officials is any improvement. So, OK, maybe this boils down to “Not all White people” whining… I don’t know… but I figured you may care that We The People are trying to work within the system. (yep, I know how lame that sounds).. we’re just getting beaten down at every turn. The story really is no different than what’s playing out all over the U.S. right now. Those in whom We The People have bestowed power have become too comfortable in their belief that we won’t take it back.

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  63. @Open Minded Observer

    I was aware of the broad strokes of the Emergency Manager regime. Thanks for filling in the scary details. Especially the entry of the Supreme Court in this matter.

    Your comment, “The story really is no different than what’s playing out all over the U.S. right now.” really hit home. Republicans in the Washington state senate recently gained a majority and they have been attempting to abrogate the power and autonomy of progressive counties and municipalities in the Western part of the state. They are wading in with heartless proposals against the homeless, workers pay and obstructing the democratic governor’s initiatives.

    They seem to be pushing for a highly centralized Banana Republic style of government which makes it easier for the billionaires to control outcomes.

    I really agree with your last sentence:

    Those in whom We The People have bestowed power have become too comfortable in their belief that we won’t take it back.

    Well said.

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  64. @Henerieth,
    That’s fake, fake, fake. They proved that years ago.

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  65. @Afrofem
    “They seem to be pushing for a highly centralized Banana Republic style of government which makes it easier for the billionaires to control outcomes.”

    I would agree.

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  66. That’s fake, fake, fake. They proved that years ago.

    Fake perhaps, but comical nonetheless!

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  67. @Herneith: I never believed this i believe this is a hoax

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  68. Abagond-what’s your thoughts on Hamilton the play and or the book that inspired the play? Thanks

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  69. https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#category/updates/1582894f7631e6b8

    Love it! I don’t watch sports but this is Chicago where the shopping is great! Cleveland is a backwated in comparison!

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  70. on Thu 3 Nov 2016 at 16:21:14 Lord of Mirkwood

    I hate Cleveland just for their mascot. For that reason alone, I wished great amounts of ill upon them! Them and Washington football, I despise them both with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength! Besides, Chicago is one of America’s big Irish cities! Go Cubs!!

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  71. @LoM

    “Besides, Chicago is one of America’s big Irish cities!”

    Irish, Black, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Polish, Greek, Italian, Jewish and German, etc.

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  72. on Thu 3 Nov 2016 at 23:09:51 Lord of Mirkwood

    Yes, I was being a little intentionally over-the-top there. Kind of like Herneith is sometimes. 😉

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  73. @ Afrofem

    They used to say that after Warsaw, the city with the next largest Polish population was Chicago. (Not sure if this was 100% accurate, though.)

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  74. @lifelearner

    “Abagond-what’s your thoughts on Hamilton the play and or the book that inspired the play? Thanks”

    I have not seen the play (way too expensive) nor read the book, so I do not have an informed opinion.

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  75. @LoM

    World Series exuberance?

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  76. @Solitaire

    I could believe it. There are large Polish communities all through the upper Midwest.

    During my time there, I ate my share of kielbasa and sauerkraut. I even attended a polka party once.

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  77. on Fri 4 Nov 2016 at 11:47:09 Lord of Mirkwood

    @Afrofem

    As I said, I was really just rooting for the Cubs because of my views on Cleveland’s mascot. I normally don’t follow a lot of sports, I have to say.

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  78. They have fantastic hamburgers there if you discount McDonalds and burger king! Jimmy Jacks is absolutely delicious! Don’t mention the Mom and Pops Mexican food!

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  79. Chicago deep dish pizza is without compare!

    Chicago-style hot dogs are good except I have to leave off the peppers, which makes them a little less authentic. Still yummy, though.

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  80. on Fri 4 Nov 2016 at 15:24:03 Lord of Mirkwood

    Oh no…not deep dish…my pharyngeal reflex is in full blast.

    The best kind of pizza has a thin, burned-black crust, and preferably comes with clams on it. Give me one of those and I’m in Heaven!

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  81. on Fri 4 Nov 2016 at 15:30:15 Lord of Mirkwood

    Edit: charred, not burned.

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  82. I prefer thin crust myself. I wasn’t impressed with the deep dish pizza, mind you, I only went to fifty joints.

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  83. I’m starving!

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  84. Sardine sandwhiches are a no go!

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  85. I think I spelt sandwich wrong, starvation muddles one’s mind!

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  86. I don’t understand you thin-crust pizza types. It’s all about the dough!

    One of the local delicacies in St. Louis is cow brain sandwiches. The thought alone will cure your hunger pangs.

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  87. Local delicacies in Seattle are Chicken Teriyaki, Pho (Vietnamese noodle soup), Papusas (cornmeal cakes stuffed with savory fillings from El Salvador), Hot Links (hot, smoky beef sausages popular with Black people) and salmon roasted over an open fire (Native American style).

    To me, deep dish pizza is overkill but, I don’t like too thin a crust. I like to make my own pizzas. I usually make a medium thick, slightly sweet crust with loads of hot Italian sausage and artichokes.

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  88. @Herneith

    Sardine sandwiches?

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  89. @Solitaire

    Cow brain sandwiches?

    Whatever floats your boat.

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  90. @LoM

    Pizza with clams? Are they in a red sauce or white sauce?

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  91. @ Afrofem

    Oh no, not me — I was never brave enough to try a cow brain sandwich even before I went (mostly) vegetarian.

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  92. Since it is Native American month, I have to give a shoutout to fry bread. As bad for you as the name sounds, but mmmmm good!

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  93. Sardine sandwiches?

    Yep, with mayonnaise, onions and black pepper. As vomit inducing as it sounds. It was a lunch staple when I was a kid along with bologna and spam. Needless to say, I threw them out and begged the teachers for lunch money! Head cheese? My grandmother used to make that!

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  94. on Sat 5 Nov 2016 at 14:57:02 Lord of Mirkwood

    @Afrofem

    White. Usually with a bit of garlic and maybe even a little olive oil. The style of crust and baking comes from the Naples area (indeed, pizza places in my area often call themselves “Neapolitan), but I don’t know about the clams – those might be a New England specialty.

    Pho is delicious, but I can’t eat too much of it due to my long-running resolution to stay off mammal meat. Do you know of a seafood or vegetarian version?

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  95. on Sat 5 Nov 2016 at 15:00:15 Lord of Mirkwood

    @Solitaire

    I just looked up fry bread on Wikipedia. Sounds a lot like the fried dough they serve at fairs. I bet a real serving of it in a South Dakota Native nation would be far better.

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  96. on Sat 5 Nov 2016 at 15:56:25 Lord of Mirkwood

    @Afrofem

    I don’t know if they’re the same thing as papusas, but where I live there are several street vendors who sell arepas, also a cornmeal cake with bountiful toppings. I think they are from South America proper. I always get mine with shrimp.

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  97. @Herneith

    I put up with bologna sandwiches as a kid, but luckily my grandmother and mother never thought of sardine sandwiches. They both hated spam, so I was spared that treat.

    For many people who lived through the Great Depression, cheap sources of protein were highly prized, so I understand the logic behind sardine sandwiches.

    Growing up in the South, we always had odd meat meals: oxtail stew, highly seasoned braised pork neckbones, turkey necks and rice, pork ribs and sauerkraut. Sometimes we had bone filled buffalo fish or muddy tasting catfish, dredged in seasoned cornmeal and fried to perfection.

    They were always accompanied by greens (turnip, mustard or collards), beans (great northern, pinto, crowder or blackeyed peas) and cornbread. There were also a variety of other vegetables in season on the table to fill out the meal.

    My Northern husband always jokes that I grew up eating “the back ends of animals”.

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  98. @LoM

    Some restaurants here serve pho with chicken, shrimp or tofu (in a chicken broth). Beef is most authentic, but there are a lot of vegetarians and vegans here.

    Papusas are actually stuffed (like ravioli) with cheese, beans or meat, etc. and topped with a tart slaw. Arepas sound more like a South American version of tostadas. Are your arepas like this:

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  99. on Sat 5 Nov 2016 at 18:57:37 Lord of Mirkwood

    @Afrofem

    They look like this at the street carts:

    You can barely see the corn cake under all the heavy-laden tomatoes and guacamole. Here’s a clearer photo from a sit-down restaurant:

    The corn cake is on top of the yellow rice.

    What I can definitively say is that they don’t come in sandwich form!

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  100. @ Lord of Mirkwood

    I have had pho that used seitan for the meat substitute.

    The first fry bread I ever had was described as “Navajo fry bread” and I see from the Wiki page they have a strong claim to having invented it. However, it is similar to sopaipilla, so it may be a variation of that (plus it looks like the Spanish got the word and basic idea from the Arabs). Definitely a “fusion” food.

    If you go to any powwow that is authentic and large enough to have food vendors, you should be able to find some. You can ask for Indian tacos without the meat, or you can just buy a piece of plain fry bread, which is good all by itself. Fry bread with honey and a light dusting of sugar is divine. Personally I think it is fluffier in texture than fairground fried dough, but that may depend entirely on individual recipes.

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  101. @ Afrofem

    ” turkey necks and rice”

    My mother eats this. She’s also a big fan of gizzards, fried frog legs, and pickled pig’s feet.

    Spam is a big deal in certain parts of the Asian American community, especially if they’re from Hawaii, but also immigrants from countries like Korea and the Philippines where spam was a major protein supplement during and/or after WWII.

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  102. Jill Stien and Gary Johnson discuss there differences on PBS. Part 3 airs tonight.

    http://ivn.us/2016/11/05/johnson-stein-what-presidential-debate-should-look-like/

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  103. @Solitaire

    Since I try to purchase free range or pasture fed meats, those cheap meals of my childhood are too expensive to buy now. They take a lot of preparation time and my husband won’t touch those dishes with a ten foot pole. So they are not worth the time and effort for one.

    I knew spam was big in Hawaii, but I didn’t know about the Korean Spam connection.

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  104. @LoM

    Those two photos of arepas are interesting.

    One with all of the ingredients tossed willynilly into a styrofoam container. The other carefully plated with a rice ring, fancy reduction sauces on the side and ribbon of sauce on top.

    Which one tasted best to you?

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  105. I am getting concerned that there will be post-election violence in America

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  106. @ Afrofem

    I’m not sure exactly which all Asian countries the spam phenomenon took place in, but definitely Korea and the PI. I’ve heard people go into raptures about “the perfect breakfast” of spam, kimchi, scrambled eggs, and leftover fried rice.

    Then there was the time in California when some Filipino American students showed up at our door saying, “So-and-so’s mother sent him a balikbayan* box! We’ve got spam!!! Can we borrow your rice cooker?”

    (*This term usually refers to a box of goodies sent from the U.S. to family members back in the PI, but they were using it more loosely to mean a care package from their California hometown.)

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  107. on Sun 6 Nov 2016 at 21:12:19 Lord of Mirkwood

    @Afrofem

    I have to say, the best arepa meals I’ve had have come from the carts. They’re delicious wherever you get them, but there’s a certain je ne sais quoi about getting it right off the grill on the street.

    When you get them from the carts, too, they tend to have more of the fried texture and taste (as in butter and oil). Maybe not completely healthy, but certainly delectable.

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  108. Not sure if this is what Afrofem was getting at, but personally I’ve found, whatever the cuisine, the visually artsy and fancily plated stuff never ever is anywhere as good as the ones where the cook didn’t care how it looked, just how it tasted.

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  109. @villagewriter

    We are concerned, too. Especially with all of the military grade weaponry floating around this country.

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  110. @LoM

    I thought so.

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  111. on Mon 7 Nov 2016 at 00:20:57 Lord of Mirkwood

    @villagewriter

    Something very like this has happened before in America, where the losers of a political campaign refused to concede at any price. We call it the Civil War. The losers of the 1860 election were so mulish that they formed their own country and caused at least 620,000 military deaths, to say nothing of civilians.

    And yet, it came with a platinum-golden lining when the aggressors were finally defeated – the abolition of slavery.

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  112. A petition to “sign”, if you so choose. It’s for putting a halt to the Dakota Access Pipeline

    .http://standwithstandingrock.net/take-action/

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  113. Donald Trump said that he wants to make America GREAT again.
    Hillary Clinton said that America is already GREAT.

    Fact is that many people worldwide admire and love America.
    Maybe some Americans aren’t aware of this. They should think again.

    Look how this African expresses his admiration of America.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/08/opinions/young-africans-us-elections/index.html

    This is GREAT!
    And food for thought too!

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  114. on Tue 8 Nov 2016 at 23:05:52 Lord of Mirkwood

    @Legion

    I just went and signed the petition. Thank you very much for bringing it to my radar screen.

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  115. So, what are the chances of a third political party in the US really succeeding?

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  116. Just finished partaking of melted extra-old cheddar cheese on bread (stone milled), slathered with vegan margarine(butter too cold)! If that doesn’t clog up the old arteries and colon, I don’t know what will. Discuss!

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  117. I just saw this trailer for a movie currently in the theaters about Mildred and Richard Loving and their Supreme Court case. I don’t remember if it has been mentioned anywhere on the blog earlier so will link to it here.

    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33g-ZHBQdNU)

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  118. @Abagond,
    Have you ever heard of a theory called memeisis? Would you be open having a guest post on it?

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  119. I am in the PRC and can access wordpress at the moment.
    First time in 4-5 years at least.

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  120. @ LoM

    My pleasure.

    In light of Trump’s victory it appears the entire project will be going ahead, though. On a practical level opposition/protest against the pipeline will need to swell immensely, to seriously challenge the economic interests and climate change denial mentality at play.

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  121. my comma placement leaves a little to be desired, however, I think you get my points. 🙂

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  122. RIP Gwen Ifill

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  123. @ Michelle

    I just did a post on fake news:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2016/11/17/fake-news/

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  124. North Carolina Governor trying to steal election. North Carolina legislature trying to pack state Supreme Court with Republican judges.
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/11/21/pat_mccrory_is_trying_to_steal_the_north_carolina_governorship.html

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  125. @ Michelle

    Thanks for sharing that link.

    That is some serious skullduggery in NC. I guess the Repubs are anxious to fully participate in Trump’s America. Little things like the law or the will of the voters won’t get in their way.

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  126. Vice did a report on the recent conference of alt-right organization NPI that happened over the weekend. We really need to have a running post on Trump’s America.
    http://www.vice.com/read/heil-trump-this-is-the-alternative-right
    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/food/article/20844314/maggianos-little-italy-apologizes-after-hosting-white-nationalist-dinner

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  127. on Thu 24 Nov 2016 at 17:31:04 Lord of Mirkwood

    Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

    We need a day to meditate, contemplate, and be thankful for what we have in this life.

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  128. Happy Thanksgiving, LoM.

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  129. Happy Thievery Day!

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  130. on Fri 25 Nov 2016 at 14:17:32 Lord of Mirkwood

    Like this comment if you hate Black Friday and are going to stay out of chain stores today.

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  131. @Herneith

    Brilliant!

    Thanks for sharing those images.

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  132. on Fri 25 Nov 2016 at 18:57:40 Lord of Mirkwood

    @Herneith and Afrofem

    Indeed, the irony is quite nice! I love nothing more than to see right-wing Nazis’ (il)logic flop and die. Meself wonders how Der Führer Drumpf would respond?

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  133. More articles about Trump and his racist supporters. I really think we could do a separate tab about him.
    Anyway, racism and the internet has existed for years. We are only now beginning to recognize it because Trump has legitimized it.
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/trump-white-nationalists-hate-racism-power

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  134. Need to do research to learn if Fidel Castro was a villain or hero even though he was a dictator.

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  135. @ Mary Burrell

    He was probably a bit of both. He managed to outlive five presidents who wanted him gone.

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  136. @ Mary Burrell

    It depends on who you ask. Capitalists, US imperialists and their hangers-on (like most of the US press) will have reason to demonize him.

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  137. A lot of people had reason to demonize Castro when he came into power. Then he did a lot of stuff that made him a villian in his own right. Though compared historically and globally, there are way worse. I don’t have particualry strong feelings towards him and his regime, but the Left’s infatuation with him is pretty disgusting.

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  138. Fidel Castro supported anti-colonial movements in Africa. His intervention in Angola was one of the many reasons why apartheid eventually fell in South Africa. Viva Fidel: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1iUe3NmMh8)

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  139. @villagewriter

    Agreed!

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  140. Slightly off topic but I think this is a good article on the true nature of many Silicon Valley folks.
    http://thebaffler.com/blog/mouthbreathing-machiavellis

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  141. @villagewriter

    I was shocked by Fidel’s death and many expressed a hate for him, while others a love. I don’t know much about the man but if you can share why the demonization when I hear good things. What made him great to you?

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  142. @Michelle

    Thank you for posting that. Interesting enough we have touched on the black sock puppet on this blog quite a few times. Nice to see mainstream catching up on it.

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  143. Good or bad, Fidel was loved by the ladies!

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  144. @Villagewriter

    This quote stood out to me:

    We are now being advised about Cuba by people who have supported the apartheid regime these last 40 years,” he said on a visit to Havana in 1991. “No honorable man or woman could ever accept advice from people who never cared for us at the most difficult times.”

    The truth in this speak volumes. We are always taught that those who fight the tyranny of western governments are evil or wrong. Yet we don’t questions the legitimacy of their statements. I often wondered this about Osama bin laden. Was he bad or was he trying to fight the united states back for what they were doing to his people.

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  145. on Wed 30 Nov 2016 at 14:21:56 Lord of Mirkwood

    @villagewriter

    Those are good articles, and they document a part of history that is almost never discussed in America.

    I would add his support of the Irish hunger strikers (Bobby Sands et al.):

    http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/fidel-castro-was-a-strong-supporter-of-irish-hunger-strikers-and-bobby-sands

    The funny thing is that many of the Cuban exiles in the U.S. had been prosperous under the corrupt right-wing dictator, Fulgencio Batista. Batista was no better than Castro. So when those exiles and their descendants in Florida screamed about taking a hard line with Havana and undoing 1959, what were they really pining for?

    Yet despite all of this, Castro was still a dictator. He murdered political opponents.

    In the end, I can’t say I was affected by the news of his death. I was neither jubilant nor in mourning. In light of all the other stuff going on in my own national backyard right now, it was just kind of like, “Okay. An old man died of old age on a small island.”

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  146. @ sharinalr

    I think we can find the answer only in what they fought for, not what they fought against. Especially if they came into power and the system they created was worse (for the average person) than the system before, we can judge them.

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  147. @Lord of Mirkwood

    If you can celebrate the mass murderer Napoleon with impunity despite his misdeeds all over the world. Let me celebrate Fidel Castro who helped chase away murderous colonialists who raped the continent of Africa for centuries. The USA was flying around Cuba like the vulture it is waiting for the right moment to pounce but Fidel never gave up. They pushed him to the wall and their assassination attempts made him paranoid.
    With the limited resources he had he helped educated our doctors and engineers while at the same time giving his people free education and good healthcare. VIVA FIDEL

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  148. @Taotesan

    I saw your long post on programming #30. Wanted to reach out and ask you how you are doing? I am truly sorry such hateful things were said to you.

    There were some things you said that rang so true for me that it was deafening. As I get older I too have become less sympathetic towards whites. It started as a indifferent feeling and to be honest it still it. Though the more I interact with them online (solitaire has been an exception) the more I realize that I don’t care for their lies. They are draining. Like dealing with a borderline personality disorder patient who abuses you over and over again yet wants you to love them always.

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  149. @Kartoffel

    “Especially if they came into power and the system they created was worse (for the average person) than the system before, we can judge them.”—True, but what constitutes worse? In many of the articles I have read, thanks to villagewriter and other sites, Batista had plans on only making Cuba good for white-skinned Cubans. Allowing them to oppress the dark skinned Cubans and Fidel stepped in to stop that. Plus if the western countries cut off trade, because of their hate of Fidel, then how are they to make Cuba better or more fruitful?

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  150. @villagewriter

    “With the limited resources he had he helped educated our doctors and engineers while at the same time giving his people free education and good healthcare. VIVA FIDEL”

    I so agree! Many Americans would kill for free education and excellent Cuban healthcare. The infant mortality rate for Cuba (4.50 per 1,000 births) is below that of Canada (4.60 per 1,000 births) and the USA (5.80 per 1,000 births).

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

    The Cubans were even willing to send doctors to the US Gulf Coast after Hurricane Katrina, but were rebuffed by Bush.

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  151. @ sharinalr

    I judge the “better or worse” in regards to the general life chances of the average person living under the regime. That the situation worsened for the elite doesn’t count of course. By general life chances I mean how much one’s ability to better one’s situaion is impeded by economic, political and social hurdles. The more control an indiviual has over his won life, the better. Of course improvement in one area cannot forever counterweigh lack in others.

    I know too little about Cuba to assess the situation specifically. But my gerneral perception is that for most Cubans’ life chances improved after the regime change. Of course after sixty years of rule the former regime can’t be the standard of comparison anymore. The embargo certainly hindered the regimes chances to impove the standard of living, but it doesn’t excuse the denial of political freedom. That wouldn’t cost anything.

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  152. @Afrofrem

    “The Cubans were even willing to send doctors to the US Gulf Coast after Hurricane Katrina, but were rebuffed by Bush.”

    They probably knew he was going to embarrass the US government because the Cuban doctors would have been extremely efficient. Cuba sent doctors to Ebola stricken areas in West Africa while the WHO was still debating on how to intervene and America was panicking. Fidel was a real man; he was the man.

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  153. Just got home from the store, where I saw this article on the newsstand:

    “A first-of-its-kind investigation by USA TODAY shows that black people across the nation – both innocent bystanders and those fleeing the police – have been killed in police chases at a rate nearly three times higher than everyone else.”

    http://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/blacks-killed-police-chases-higher-rate/

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  154. @Kartoffel

    Most afro-cubans that have commented on threads seem to be okay with Fidel as a leader. They say good things not bad. Those that say bad are usually those “white passing” Cubans. So I am curious on what life is like in Cuba. Was it as bad or are we just told it was that bad.

    Most Americans measure the good or bad based on the idea that many Cubans swam over here. However, that could be based on opportunity alone.

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  155. So I read actor, George Takei, tweeted there was an uproar of a Black Santa being hired in the Mall Of America. And in the internment camp, the Santa was Asian. Really? White people get bent out of shape over what colour Santa is? Psst. Just a sidenote. Santa isn’t real. 😉

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  156. on Mon 5 Dec 2016 at 02:37:41 Lord of Mirkwood

    The Army Corps of Engineers has halted the Dakota Access Pipeline!!!

    The decision may not last past January 20. But in this bleak winter of politics, I need at least one thing to celebrate with jubilation. Thank God and Wakȟáŋ Tȟáŋka. This is one of the best things I’ve seen all year.

    Thanks and praise!!!!!!

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  157. @leigh204

    “Santa isn’t real.😉”

    LOL! Tell that to Fox News, they still gripe about his real skin color every year.

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  158. @LoM

    This is just a way to clear the encampments and block future access to the construction area.

    Sorry to be a downer, but I’ve seen this movie before and know how it ends.

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  159. Westworld blew my mind last night.

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  160. Will future African American’s (2025-2050) be told to get-over the history of police brutality and all the negative things that will happen because of the election of trump? Will future black people in Netherlands be told to get over the history of black pete? Will they sing Kumbaya again?

    A people that celebrate sociopathy and psychopathy will never see anything wrong with oppressing other people who don’t look like them. I think that racists could wipe out an entire population and still go back home and sleep like babies because their bible tells them they are gods, they are righteous and the others are Amalekites should be dispossessed and their wives raped and their children enslaved.

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  161. @ villagewriter

    Will future African American’s (2025-2050) be told to get-over the history of police brutality and all the negative things that will happen because of the election of trump?

    That question implies that things will get better first.

    I think that racists could wipe out an entire population and still go back home and sleep like babie

    If the early Federal Republic of Germany is any indication that is quite possible.Though during the crimes the murderers used a lot of alcohol.

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  162. on Sat 10 Dec 2016 at 22:43:06 Lord of Mirkwood

    I have finally gotten around to starting Season 4 of the BBC’s Luther, which came out on Netflix in the U.S. a little while ago. Anyone else watching it?

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  163. @LoM

    Saw it a while ago on dvd. Over the top good as usual. Idris Elba and the rest of the cast is superb.

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  164. on Sun 11 Dec 2016 at 01:40:52 Lord of Mirkwood

    @Afrofem

    Haha – Idris Elba and “superb” are superfluous! I loved his line to that gang master asking “Which police?” “The police.” I love his humor like that. Plus his no-nonsense, fearless demeanor. Brooks zero BS from anyone.

    Of course, I have to tip my hat to Benny the Irish tech expert as well. He and Luther himself are my favorite characters (although I do like Martin Shank).

    I’m going to watch the second episode momentarily, so no spoilers please! 😉

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  165. @LoM

    Luther faced a poisonous dilemma in that episode. What do you think of what he almost did?

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  166. @Abagond,
    I don’t remember if you have a Dylan Roof post but here is something worth reading. I don’t remember people talking about who his main influences were but the CCC was a big one. Also pay attention to the link between the CCC and Steve Bannon. http://wonkette.com/609447/white-power-charleston-church-murderer-convicted-wonder-where-he-got-self-radicalized

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  167. @ Michelle

    Thanks. My main Dylann Roof post is here:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2015/06/18/dylann-root/

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  168. Has anyone read Joseph Allen Hill’s “The Venus Effect”? It’s a gripping piece that interposes the pervasive omnipresence of police brutality with classic SFF scenarios. No matter what Apollo does (or doesn’t do), there’s no escaping the Grim Reaper who happens to wear a police uniform.

    Unless he’s white, of course. That probably explains why 99.9 percent of SFF protagonists are white or assumed white. White guys and gals aren’t hunted by the police like prey.

    @ villagewriter

    Will future African American’s (2025-2050) be told to get-over the history of police brutality and all the negative things that will happen because of the election of trump? Will future black people in Netherlands be told to get over the history of black pete? Will they sing Kumbaya again?

    I know this is a bit morose, but in light of the above, it makes you wonder why more black Americans haven’t taken the lessons showcased by Modesto Brocos to heart.

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  169. Wow.

    That was a very powerful story about anti-black police violence.

    I also suspect it was a direct salvo in the ongoing war about the future of science fiction. One of the main arguments of the (mostly white male) Sad Puppies contingent is that modern science fiction has lost the sense of wonder, the fun, the adventure, the excitement of Golden Age SF as it has become more socially conscious and more inclusive. In this multi-layered work, it seemed to me that Joseph Allen Hill was demonstrating exactly why black SF authors don’t usually write those types of carefree adventure stories of pure escapism.

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  170. Happy Holidays to everyone 🎅🏿🌲☃️

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  171. Everyday is a blessing in life and every friend a reminder that humanity isn’t lost. Some good friends have passed these recent years but their memories remain etched in my mind and I visit them in their dreams. I have learned that the fragility of life can be held together firmly in the moment. And that every moment rooted in peace and love nurtures the earth beneath my feet and the humanity that walks upon it.

    Have a Blessed holiday season and a prosperous new year.

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  172. Have a Blessed holiday season and a prosperous new year.

    Maybe I’ll win at Bingo tonight!

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  173. @michaeljonbarker

    Beautifully expressed!

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  174. @Mary Burrell

    Wishing you and yours a warm and loving Christmas.

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  175. @Herneith

    I hope you get to yell Bingo first. Have a great holiday!

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  176. Happy Holidays to everyone!

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  177. @Afrofem: Have a great holiday.

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  178. @michaeljonbarker: That was lovely.

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  179. @michaeljonbarker: Westworld was awesome.

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  180. Rest In Peace George Michael.

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  181. While we are still enjoying these holidays and the year’s end approaches quickly, let’s watch what other people in other parts of the world do in December…

    Le Dîner en Blanc – Abidjan (2015)
    It was one year ago but still rings… a small taste of Africa…

    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N77dShfmRM)

    Let me end by saying: Happy New Year of 2017 for every soul in and around this blog!

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  182. @munubantu

    Happy New Year to you as well! Thank you.

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  183. @Afrofem

    Thank you very much!

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  184. @Abagond

    I just scanned your reading list this AM. I’m familiar with the last three authors and read Parable of the Sower. I’m going to force myself to finish Parable of the Talents by Octavia Butler. I put that sequel down years ago because it was so intense; a nightmarish, dystopian view of America’s future. It seems that future is now possible and Butler’s work might help make sense of it all.

    I hope some of your impressions gleaned from those five books end up as future posts.

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  185. Let’s see if my new avatar wrks.

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  186. Ex-see-lent!!!!!!

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  187. @ Afrofem

    I will probably do a post on “Parable of the Sower”.

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  188. Happy New Year to all.🎉🎉🎉🎉🎊🎊🎊

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  189. Peace and Love for 2017 everyone xxx

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  190. Happy New Years!!!

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  191. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/%e2%80%98this-is-sacred-land%e2%80%99-nuns-fight-their-own-order-to-save-historical-plantation-from-being-sold/ar-BBxLsL2

    “This land and property embody extraordinary American history, African American history. It’s extremely important that we save it.”

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  192. on Mon 2 Jan 2017 at 13:28:47 Anonymous Poster

    Abagond, I’ve been reading your entries on writing, your style guide, differing forms of English, and the like over the past couple of weeks. They’ve made me reconsider my own way of writing and how I approach the crafting of my thoughts. But there is one specific subject that, unless I’ve missed something, you have yet to cover in one of these entries: contractions.

    What, if anything, do you have to say on the usage (or avoidance) of contractions in writing?

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  193. “One of the main arguments of the (mostly white male) Sad Puppies contingent is that modern science fiction has lost the sense of wonder, the fun, the adventure, the excitement of Golden Age SF as it has become more socially conscious and more inclusive. In this multi-layered work, it seemed to me that Joseph Allen Hill was demonstrating exactly why black SF authors don’t usually write those types of carefree adventure stories of pure escapism.”

    What would happen if some “black author” did write such a story?

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  194. @mike4ty4

    What would happen if some “black author” did write such a story?

    Good question? Would it be accepted on its own literary merits? Would it be rejected by the Sad Puppies because of the ethnicity of its author?

    Samuel R. Delany faced those questions forty years ago with his work including Trouble on Triton.

    http://allreaders.com/book-review-summary/trouble-on-triton-37916

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  195. @Afrofem: I think i read on of his short stories in the Dark Matter anthology.

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  196. @ Mary Burrell

    I will have to give his works another reading. They were too deep for me when I was younger.

    The Dark Matter anthology had some truly fascinating stories. Thanks for reminding me.

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  197. @ mike4ty4

    I suppose some individual Sad Puppies would be cool with that. But consider that another one of their main arguments is that they cannot identify with protagonists who are female, people of color, queer, and/or trans. Presumably many of them would only be cool with a POC author writing a Golden Age-esque fun adventure story if the protagonist was not also POC, because otherwise the Sad Puppies could not “relate” to the main character.

    The Sad Puppies also complain bitterly that too many of SF’s top awards are going to POC, LGBT, and women, and they recently rigged the Hugo Awards to get demographic results they preferred. Considering that, I don’t think they’ll be appeased even if all the non-white non-straight non-male writers began publishing only fun adventure stories.

    Incidentally, I believe that in The Venus Effect Joseph Allen Hill directly addressed the Sad Puppies’ argument about relating to the main character: “That Apollo was a big phony, totally unbelievable. Guys like that went out of style with Flash Gordon and bell-bottoms. It’s not just about liking the protagonist. You have to be able to relate to them, right? I think that’s how it works. That’s what everybody says, anyway. To be honest, I don’t really get the whole “relatability” thing. Isn’t the point of reading to subsume one’s own experience for the experience of another, to crawl out of one’s body and into a stranger’s thoughts? Why would you want to read about someone just like you? Stories are windows, not mirrors. Everybody’s human. Shouldn’t that make them relatable enough?”

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  198. @ Afrofem
    @ Mary Burrell

    Delany can be a highly challenging author to read, especially some of the longer works. I’ve found his short stories generally to be more accessible. Most of them are collected in the following anthology:

    https://www.amazon.com/Aye-Gomorrah-Samuel-R-Delany/dp/0375706712

    You may already know this, but besides the challenges he faced being African American and gay, Delany is also severely dyslexic. Although I think today his condition would be diagnosed as dysgraphia; if I remember correctly, he has no problems reading but with writing. He has trouble deciphering his own first drafts because not only is his spelling bad, but sometimes he writes an entirely different and unrelated word from the one he intends.

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  199. @ Anonymous Poster

    In writing I avoid them except in quoted speech and where it would sound awkward not to use it (like in “Would not you say that?”). I use cannot instead of can’t. The contractions most people use did not become common in printed English till the 1800s. In general, they are not necessary.

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  200. @Solitaire

    Thanks for the link and some contextual information about Sam Delany’s writing style. I will have to re-approach his novels in the future. Perhaps it is best to start with his short stories first.

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  201. @Solitaire

    Interesting link to the story of Catholic order and the historic boarding schools. It is an unfortunate, but common story throughout the country.

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  202. @Afrofem & Solitaire: This guy has led a colorful life to say the least.

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  203. Speaking of colorful lives…

    I just read an article on No Longer Quivering called 7 Ways the Kardashian Family and the Duggar Family Are the Same.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2017/01/7-ways-kardashian-family-duggar-family/

    No Longer Quivering which bills itself as “a gathering place for women escaping and recovering from spiritual abuse”, is a blog critical of the Quiverfull Movement, an extreme patriarchal Christian group in the US.

    We will be hearing more from groups like Quiverfull during the Trump/Pence years.

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  204. @ Afrofem

    Oops, I hope it didn’t sound like I was implying Delany is a challenging author due to his learning disability. It’s because he’s really f-ing smart and (for example) started integrating his interests in academic areas like linguistics into his novels. I do think the short stories are the best place to start, and his earliest novels are also easier reading than some of his denser work later. Those are all interesting, too, but he really makes the reader work to keep up with him.

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  205. @ Solitaire

    Agreed. You do have to work to keep up with Delany.

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  206. My friend Patrice Quinn singing with Kamasi Washington. Enjoy.

    (https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=XDXNzucphEw)

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  207. Folks, I need your advice! I am a first-time driver(failed my first test on Tuesday) However if you fall off a bike you get back on. I intend to keep trying until I get my license! My request to you is this, any suggestions as to a car for a first-time buyer? I ran my car up on a snow bank trying to parallel park and had a hard time getting out. I wanted to desperately laugh but had to rein myself in. I was nervous and excited at the same time! Thanks in advance!

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  208. @ Herneith

    A Ford Fiesta or Honda Fit. Something small and easy to maneuver.

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  209. FYI, if you use Twitter or have a verified twitter account, WikiLeaks is planning to collect your personal data and use it for some type of surveillance.
    http://wonkette.com/610191/wikileaks-really-mad-somebody-leaked-cia-report-before-russia-could

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  210. @ Henrieth

    If snow and ice are in issue then look for an all wheel drive vehicle like a Subaru. It is less likely that you would get stuck as the car senses when you get stuck or slide. AWD cars have sensors that measure traction for each tire and has differnt differentials in the transmissin that kick in to split the traction between both the front and rear tires to help better control the car. It’s simular to four wheel drive except that you don’t have to manually put the vehicle into four wheel drive.

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  211. @ Herneith

    I second Afrofem’s suggestion. Small cars are much easier to handle and maneuver when you’re a beginning driver. Parallel parking in particular is easier if the car is small.

    I failed my first two tests, you’re not alone! If you can postpone your next test until better weather, please do so. You will make it easier on yourself if you take the test when the driving conditions are good (no snow or ice on the ground, not when it’s raining).

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  212. Thanks for your advice, Afrofem, Soltaire, and Baker. I test drove a Kia Soul at the dealership last evening. It drove like a dream! Had I had this vehicle at the test, I would have passed the test with flying colours! The difference between the Soul and that sh^t box Corolla was like night and day! I was trained on the Corolla. Anyhow, here’s to the next test!

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  213. @ Herneith

    Good Luck!

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  214. Assange given peace prize.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8505669/WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange-given-peace-prize.html

    My friends observation made me laugh..

    “Obama, the first peace prize winner to actively pursue with violent intent, another peace prize winner.”

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  215. @michaeljonbarker

    Good old peace loving Obama. LOL!

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  216. @ Herneith

    “I test drove a Kia Soul at the dealership last evening. It drove like a dream! Had I had this vehicle at the test, I would have passed the test with flying colours! The difference between the Soul and that sh^t box Corolla was like night and day! I was trained on the Corolla. Anyhow, here’s to the next test!”

    Follow your instincts! You WILL get your driver’s license. Enjoy the process… later on driving won’t seem as much fun, or challenging. It’ll become mundane. Enjoy practicing and learning … the more you do it, the better driver you’ll become. 🙂

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  217. Who’s ready to watch the season finale of Sherlock tonight?

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  218. I had mentioned on another thread that I was re-doing my bathroom. It was just finished so last night we decided to enjoy our glorious new shower. The problem was there didn’t seem to be enough water pressure and the water wouldn’t get real hot. So I turned up the water heater and tried it again this morning. Still no hot water. Turns out that the plumbing and valves for the new shower are California energy compliment so the hardware has been designed not to allow scalding water and limits the water pressure. I now have to figure out a work around so I can get me fire hose water pressure and scalding water back. lol

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  219. @ mjb

    “Still no hot water. Turns out that the plumbing and valves for the new shower are California energy compliment so the hardware has been designed not to allow scalding water and limits the water pressure.”

    Are there no (instant) Hot Water On Demand systems permitted in California? Or is that not energy compliant enough for your state??

    Isn’t there a budding water shortage/crisis going on in Cali??

    If I were considering relocating to some other locale in the states as much as I like warm weather and sunshine Cali would be the first location scratched off my list of possibilities.

    Why?
    Fires, Earthquakes, Government, Earthquakes, Fires, quirky laws like the new one that actually decriminalizes child prostitution …, broke treasury, unbalanced budget, high cost of living, whacky politicians, Hollyweird, San Andreas Fault Line, Fires, etc…

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  220. Man, making a $50 donation to the Southern Poverty Law Center in Jeff Sessions’s name sure does feel good.

    I sent him an email letting him know I had done this, and telling him that I’d be watching him. Of course, I got an auto-reply telling me that his office was too busy to process emails from states other than Alabama. Oh well!

    Off to watch Sherlock pretty soon! So tense and nervous…

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  221. @Fan:

    Thanks darl!

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  222. Chelsea Manning will be freed!!! President Obama just commuted her sentence.

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  223. Yay!!!!!!!!!!

    My wildest dreams wish that the government would drop charges against Snowden during the next three days, too.

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  224. My wildest dream is that the election of Trump was just a bad dream and i wake up and racism and police brutality is no more.

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  225. Obama burnishing his legacy with just a couple of days to go.

    I wonder if he has the guts to commute the sentences of Leonard Peltier and Mumia Abu Jamal?

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  226. @ Mary Burrell

    Yes!

    Dorothy’s ruby slippers would come in handy right about now.

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  227. @ Afrofem

    Yes, I am watching to see if he pardons them too.

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  228. @ Afrofem

    Actually, Obama can pardon Peltier but not Mumia, who is in state prison. Mumia himself just tweeted:

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  229. Mumia only follows 173 people on Twitter, so I am going to follow everyone he follows. But before I do that, just for the record, here are the 37 people he follows that I already follow:

    jesse Williams @iJesseWilliams
    Amanda Seales @amandaseales
    Stanley Nelson @StanleyNelson1
    The Source Magazine @TheSource
    MONIFAH @THEMONIFAH
    EBONY MAGAZINE @EBONYMag
    JamilahIsoke Lemieux @JamilahLemieux
    Ben Jealous @BenJealous
    Ms. Lauryn Hill @MsLaurynHill
    Amsterdam News @NYAmNews
    Wyclef Jean @wyclef
    Okayplayer @okayplayer
    Kevin Powell @kevin_powell
    Lance Is A Genius @fuzethemc
    Jill Scott @missjillscott
    StopMassIncarceratio @StopMassIncNet
    Talib Kweli Greene @TalibKweli
    dream hampton @dreamhampton
    asha bandele @ashabandele
    Democracy Now! @democracynow
    Davey D @mrdaveyd
    ErykahBadoula @fatbellybella
    COMMON @common
    DROGAS Light 2/10/17 @LupeFiasco
    Jasiri X @jasiri_x
    Occupy Wall Street @OccupyWallSt
    Michael Eric Dyson @MichaelEDyson
    Tavis Smiley @tavissmiley
    Che Butter Jones @OccupyTheHood
    Marc Lamont Hill @marclamonthill
    Danny Glover @mrdannyglover
    Spike Lee @SpikeLee
    Chuck D @MrChuckD
    NAACP @NAACP
    Lumumba Bandele @Lumumbabandele
    KANYE WEST @kanyewest
    Cornel West @CornelWest

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  230. @Abagond

    Thanks for the in-depth information!

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  231. “I had mentioned on another thread that I was re-doing my bathroom. It was just finished so last night we decided to enjoy our glorious new shower. The problem was there didn’t seem to be enough water pressure and the water wouldn’t get real hot. So I turned up the water heater and tried it again this morning. Still no hot water. Turns out that the plumbing and valves for the new shower are California energy compliment so the hardware has been designed not to allow scalding water and limits the water pressure. I now have to figure out a work around so I can get me fire hose water pressure and scalding water back. lol”

    that is not california, tht is a worldwide standard. largely due to the fact that the EU requires it, so manufacturers have made them all compliant to the EU standard to facilitate production. it is for electric showers. electric showers are not heated by the boiler system, but by the actual unit underneath the shower which plugs in to a regular plug. that has advantages as it means that it is not possible to “run out” of hot water. e.g. running a hot tap in the kitchen no longer causes hot water in the shower to run out.

    the disadvantage is tht it becomes very easy for the water to reach boiling point. at which point, it could severely scald individuals. such as children. boiling water can cause serious burns. when the electric shower detects too-high a temperature, it automatically switches off. it could be that the unit inside the actual shower is faulty.

    but most likely, you have the wrong fuse in your plug. you need a 5A fuse (not a 13A fuse, which are far more common in everyday appliances).

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  232. @apportune:

    Did you christen your new toilet by taking a dump to see if it flushed properly?

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  233. sharina is so petty, look at her running around giving likes. and she’s the only one as well. sharina wants to make friends!

    you’re all so disconnected from reality, you’ve resorted to having ‘cyber friends’

    awwwww. i’m piling up the tissue boxes here people!

    it’s like a little incestuous gated community.

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  234. @Herneith

    I think apportune is Jealous of you. Maybe you should introduce him to beelzebub.

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  235. @sharina

    to suggest jealousy would be to suggest that i have affection for you… ?

    are we developing affection for one another already sharina?

    how pleasant that would be! a little glow to warm up my blackened and cold heart.

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  236. @apportune

    No, you can be jealous of someone and not have an affection at all. Poor thing.

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  237. @sharina

    Logic! use it!

    you suggested i was jealous of the attention herneith was getting from you, why would i be jealous if i did not want that attention myself?

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  238. @apportune

    It should be a crime to be as daft as you. Wanting attention doesn’t equate to having an affection for me.

    A person can be jealous of a complete stranger and they did not even know the person enough to have an affection.

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  239. Isn’t it weird that a white woman can lie on a boy, get him killed, have the murderers get off, and everybody can just go about their business for 60 years? “Hey, I lied and got a kid killed, sorry ’bout that, now I’m going to go back to my life that I’ve been living.” Doesn’t this show a really strange and disturbing side of white folks that stuff like this can happen? Or am I simply insane? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…/emmett-tills-accuser-admits…&

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  240. @Rex

    It is not weird at all. None of it.

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  241. @ Rex

    Business as usual. White people have been showing that side of themselves for hundreds of years. They and their hangers-on are pretty much the only people who do not see it.

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  242. I knew the answer to this question as I typed the comment. It is business as usual, but I can’t help but be mad at it. I feel like punching someone.

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  243. I like the new top image. It’s even more impressive in full.

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  244. Abagond,

    Yes, thank you. It’s really chilling.

    I do hope you all in the US stay safe. I am relatively near, in Canada.

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  245. I’m a few days late, but please, everybody send your prayers/best wishes to Québec, which is currently in recuperation mode after the terrorist attack on Sunday night. I would give my message in French, but it would be deleted, so here we are.

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  246. Some much-needed hilarity:

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  247. Does anybody else here simply not care about the Super Bowl?

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  248. @Scribh

    Super Bowl? What is a Super Bowl? (LOL!)

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  249. Here’s a Super Bowl:

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  250. Oh God, Lady Gaga is the WORST PERSON EVER. I don’t know why I just subjected myself to ten minutes of her. Apparently I am into masochism.

    I am going to have to detox on a heavy diet of Parsonsfield, the Decemberists, and La Bottine Souriante. How about bringing Bruce Springsteen back to the halftime shows???

    At least I watched only exactly one minute of football itself before I decided, “Yeah, not for me.” Sorry, TV networks. Wasn’t born in Alabama.

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  251. A tied game with a minute to go.

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  252. @Herneith

    So right you are! LOL!

    (It would really be super if it were filled with lobster bisque with a hint of sherry.)

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  253. That does look like the type of bowl that would be used for lobster bisque, but may I please have my Super Bowl filled with chocolate fudge ice cream topped with fresh strawberries and raspberries?

    (How is it we always end up talking about food on the Open Thread??)

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  254. I didn’t care about the Super Bowl and took a nap.

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  255. @Solitaire

    Because food is fun!

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  256. @Mary Burrell

    That sounds like a good plan.

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  257. Speaking of food, I’ve recently come across a particularly exceptional Mexican place where I live. The fish tacos are out of this world!

    On a different note, I suppose that many people would consider it pitiable that I, as a red-blooded ‘Murican, had no idea who won the Super Bowl until I read the New York Times this morning. Or that I have no idea how the basic rules and scoring of football work, in any case.

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  258. @ Scribh

    You missed an amazing game. Way better than Lady Gaga’s half-time show.

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  259. If you didn’t finish watching it, why bother ask?

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  260. @ ASG-M

    “Sorry, TV networks. Wasn’t born in Alabama.”

    American football originated in the Ivy League schools of the Northeast. And please note the name of the team who won yesterday. Aren’t they located in your home state?

    Everything you dislike about the USA you push onto the South. Nope, no football fanatics in New England or California, nary a one.

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  261. ^^^
    And, there goes the tongue-in-cheek…straight over her head…

    I didn’t want the Patriots to win because Trump was rooting for them. But, you know, regionalist that I am, I didn’t want Atlanta to win either. Most importantly, though, I’ve just never cared for football. Cross country for me!!

    Also, when have I ever said anything about a home state? scratches temple

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  262. @ Scribh

    You could have done what thousands of progressive New Englanders were doing: rooting for the Pats but donating to a charity or political cause every time they scored or whatever. It’s easy to do with all those ActBlue sites (headquartered in MA!)

    http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/02/05/anti-trump-patriots-fans-just-went-viral-trolling-trump-beautifully/

    Of course, if you’re just too sophisticated for football (and pop music), then that’s another matter entirely.

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  263. This is somewhat late but I just saw it today — for anyone who is interested, in December, Fantasy magazine did a special issue called “People of Colo(u)r Destroy Fantasy!” It is on the same order as the special POC issues by Lightspeed and Nightmare magazines earlier in the year, with both free and pay-to-view content, including fiction, essays, and authors’ roundtable.

    Fantasy was folded into Lightspeed a few years back and is pretty much a defunct website now except for the special Destroy! issues (to date: POC, women, queers).

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  264. on Thu 9 Feb 2017 at 13:12:10 An Scríbhneor Gael-Mheiricéanach

    Snowed in today. It’s already put a healthy blanket on everything and it’ll be falling for another 8 hours. That means a nice, relaxing, home-cooked breakfast with time to actually read all of the paper. Maybe some snowshoeing too! And yeah, it’ll mean shoveling later. But a large part of me doesn’t want to go out and despoil it. Looking out my window now, the natural beauty of it is divine.

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  265. @Herneith

    Priceless!

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  266. @Herneith: LULZ😂😂😂😂😂😂

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  267. Abagond, that morbidity count of yours says 2016, though I’m thinking you mean for 2017.

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  268. A new picture of Harriett Tubman ‘discovered’:

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  269. @Herneith

    😂😂😂

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  270. Thanks Herneith!

    Too bad everyone thought they had to look so serious in early photographs.

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  271. Compare and contrast with Abagond’s dream journal. This is an old note on my phone that I found recently. I have not changed anything except for what is in brackets. What is in regular parentheses was originally so.

    For those who analyze the nature of relationships and interaction between Asian women and “white” men, the first one may be of particular interest. (Warning: one part gets PG-13.)

    Notation des Rêves

    Thu 28 May [2014] – Cannot make heads or tails of it 18 hours later, but what I remember: I was standing in a room very much like the bar in the [place name redacted]] in terms of style, but it was smaller and I, along with my mysterious companion, were the only people there. My companion was a woman from Hong Kong (I believe the dream may have even been set in Hong Kong). Her words are still very clear to me, one of the only clear things I remember: “Help! I’m being exploited!” Perfect English, and I remember she had a soft voice. She was based on that new waitress at [a Chinese restaurant near me], down to the glasses. I remember answering her, with a tone of desperation, “I’m sorry, there’s nothing I can do!” Sexual fantasies must have kicked in as well, because I dimly remember the two of us kissing at one point. Later in the night, two points of the dream are still recoverable to me: the image of standing on a boat leaving the docks and seeing the Hong Kong SAR flag, and of desperately trying to remember the woman’s face. In the dream, she had a (stereotypically Chinese) name: all I remember of it now is a “Ch” sound in her surname. It may have been “Chang.” Anyhow, what a weird dream.

    Sat 22 August [2014] – Another weird dream that I thought I would write down here. I am writing this the evening after the fact. This might take the cake for a weird one. So, I can’t remember much of the beginning parts, except for some feeling that being in Menemsha [a town on Martha’s Vineyard, in Massachusetts] was involved, somehow. I just have that feeling! But by far the clearest (in my memory) and weirdest part was that at the very end, just before I woke up. It started off on a rooftop, looking out over what appeared to be a busy airport full of drab terminals. (I think I was on the rooftop of one of those drab terminals.) Unlike the dream from last May, written above, I did not play an active role in this dream; rather, I was watching as if the events unfolding in front of me were in a movie. I did not interact with the people I was watching, nor do I believe they were cognizant of my presence. Now for the bizarro: the people were two Harry Potter characters, Sirius Black and Hermione Granger. The first line I remember HG saying was, “And you lied to me!” SB looked apologetic and downcast about something. Then, all of a sudden, the setting changed. Now we were on top of a high metal tower surrounded by ocean, like an oil rig or a cell tower (in the middle of the sea.) I was very conscious of the height at which we stood, and afraid of falling. SB and HG were still the dramatis personae, but with a twist: HG appeared to have a mermaid’s body. How on earth does the brain come up with these things? The mood of the conversation between them was drastically different from that on top of the airport terminal; it was jubilant and adoring. Mermaid!HG was singing the praises of SB for rescuing her from some sort of imprisonment on top of the isolated tower. So the story turned Rapunzel! It made no sense, since we were chatting in an airport just a minute ago…but whatever. Now is the part where my brain starts taking issue with J.K. Rowling’s writing of the Harry Potter series: SB and Mermaid!HG were clearly starting some sort of romantic relationship, I guess based on the former’s rescue of the latter from whatever ordeal she had been subjected to? Mermaid! HG said something about daylight (had the sun just risen over this ocean? I can’t remember). Then all of a sudden, I was down in the ocean, at the bottom of the tower. SB and Mermaid!HG were still on top, but I was not alone; a whole bunch of tourists or other kinds of Average Joes were in the water as well. Even weirder, a wooden sailing ship had suddenly appeared just about 50 yards away! We started swimming towards it, but not with any urgency; the water was calm, the daylight was broad, and I remember the feeling of just having a good time. For some reason, I also recall looking back mid-stroke and seeing our two Harry Potter heroes atop the tower. I turned back around and took in the view of the ship to which we were swimming, and that is when I woke up. About 7:35 A.M. What an inventor the sleeping mind is! The dream also spawned a sudden [rekindling of] interest in Harry Potter, and after I had gotten the sleep out of my eyes I began noodling with Half-Blood Prince.

    July 28 [2015] – Not a dream in the strictest sense, but something weird. I was leaving Ireland today after a wonderful week. I did not want to go; I wanted to stay in this peaceful, non-GOP-infested country with European sensibilities and a blood connection for me.

    [information of a highly personal nature redacted]

    About two hours into the flight from Dublin to JFK, I decided to try to get some sleep. I put the airline’s pillow behind my head (neck pillow was foolishly packed away in luggage) and closed my eyes. I felt the tug of sleep, the inhabitance of the twilight zone. And then the strangest thing happened. I started to hear “Danny Boy.” A couple of things were intriguing. It was in a very high key, higher than it was normally sung. The even more interesting part of the case was that the voices I heard were all girls. Not one girl, but a whole choir of them. Like the [a group of female singers I saw in Ireland], I suppose.

    These voices were not loud. They were almost a whisper. At first I wasn’t sure if I was hearing anything at all. But it was very distinct. I heard the words – “oh Danny Boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling” – sung to the correct tune. Another aspect of this was that they didn’t feel like a normal imagination of music. I had hummed “Danny Boy” to myself as the plane took off from Dublin, as it happened, but I hadn’t been thinking about it when I closed my eyes. These voices just came into my head, beyond my conscious sovereignty over my mind. I do not think I could have tried to put another tune in my head, even if I had wanted to. It was as though these choir girls were, in fact, an external source.

    Here is another strange thing. When I was thinking of “Danny Boy” at the plane’s takeoff, there was a line I could not remember. I could not for the life of me recall it. I stumbled on it and had to skip over it. But these choir girls sang it very clearly. “‘Tis I’ll be there, in sunlight or in shadow.” Believe me, I’ve remembered it since then.

    They did the second verse normally and were even harmonizing.

    A dream? Although I was tired and in the twilight zone, I was definitely awake. I know because at one point during the song, I opened my eyes, and was conscious of doing so, and looked down at Bill Bryson’s “The Mother Tongue” sitting on my tray table. I had my eyes open for about three seconds before closing them again. But even in those three seconds, I could still hear the voices, ever so faintly. So, if it was a dream, it was not a normal sleeping dream.

    And the song definitively stopped at the end. If I were just daydreaming the tune, it would probably repeat some parts after the last word. But I didn’t hear the choir again. When they were done, they were done.

    The guy sitting next to me had earbuds in. So that could be one very logical explanation. He was listening to a choral arrangement of “Danny Boy,” probably very loudly, and a tiny bit of the sound seeped out. If that was the case, then the story ends here.

    But I feel like it was something else. I don’t know why. It seems too perfect – I had the song in my head just two hours previously, I was having mixed (to say the least) feelings about leaving Ireland. A message from someone? Maybe I’ll never know, but I can have deep-held feelings.

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  272. Please donate!:

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  273. Any comments about the Oscar nominees this year?

    I saw “Hidden Figures” last night, and I got a pretty strong “White Savior” vibe from it. Not that there was a single character playing the role of the white savior, but it still was reflecting a white liberal belief that through the actions and considerations of sympathetic whites, blacks overcame their obstacles in the 1960s (and this happened and was somehow fixed 50 years ago).

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  274. @”Not that there was a single character playing the role of the white savior but it still was reflecting a white liberal belief that through the actions and considerations of sympathetic whites”

    Well it definitely included one fictional white saviour played by Kevin Costner who uttered the lines, “No more colored restrooms. No more white restrooms…Here at NASA, we all pee the same color”.

    And of course that never happened in real life. Neither his character nor any of his white colleagues ever took such action.

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  275. ^ there were many white saviour characters in the film, but no single one. For example, the judge was also a saviour. The white school board in West Virginia were saviours. The policeman in the opening highway scene was a bit of a saviour. Even John Glenn was one of the saviours.

    ie, things improved due to the collective behaviour of sympathetic or recently enlightened whites (who remain that way after their epiphany).

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  276. I just polished off a delicious omelette consisting of old cheddar cheese, red onions, mushroom and garlic! The omelette was washed down with a freshly brewed cup of coffee. Jealous? Discuss!

    Oh, I forgot, 2 pieces of stone ground multi-grained bread slathered in butter!

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  277. This is how I spent my Sunday. Rain storms hit L.A. hard and a few trees came down. This is a large Elepo pine that fell over on a home. We spent Saterday clearing it off the roof and went back Sunday to get the rest of the tree down. The tree snapped at the base so the entire weight of the tree is on the home. The home was red tagged until we could get the tree off the home.

    (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=228990864231580&id=100013620035347)

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  278. I enjoyed Hidden Figures and then i read that the scene where Kevin Costner destroyed the white only sign over the ladies bathroom didn’t happen. I suppose they want to throw the white savior character in so that whites won’t look like the monsters that many of them were back then. There is always some whitewashing done.

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  279. I am happy for the black actors and actresses nominated for Oscars and SAG and all the other accolades. I have especially enjoyed Mahershala Ali in Netflix’s Luke Cage as the villain Cottonmouth and his role in Hidden Figures and House of Cards. I haven’t seen Moonlight yet and I need to see Fences.

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  280. @michaeljonbarker: Glad you are okay and survived the savage storms.

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  281. @ Abagond

    I Ain’t Your Negro- was a great doc, I got to see the film last w/e. I’m surprise that you haven’t done a review yet. Highly recommend!

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  282. Abagond: Jordan Peele directed Get Out going to see it today. You should check it out.

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  283. Will be watching Moonlight as well and will probably check out Fences later.

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  284. @Mary:

    it is opening here in Toronto. It is a must see for me.

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  285. @Herneith; It was interesting to say the least it was well done.

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  286. @Mary:

    I’ll be taking my niece.

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  287. @Herneith: Let me know what your thoughts.

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  288. @ lifelearner @ Mary

    Thanks for your recommendations!

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  289. Watched Moonlight on Saturday morning it was well done great acting. Hope Mahershala Ali wins an Oscar i need to see Fences although i am familiar with the play because i took a couple of courses in theater and drama. And read some of August Wilson’s plays. Hope Viola and Denzel win a little gold man. I have to check out I Am Not Your Negro.

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  290. @ Herneith

    “Oh, I forgot, 2 pieces of stone ground multi-grained bread slathered in butter!”

    That looks like a vegetarian or vegan (except for butter) style breakfast.
    Glad you’re being good to your heart! 🙂

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  291. That looks like a vegetarian or vegan (except for butter) style breakfast.
    Glad you’re being good to your heart!

    No one’s perfect!

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  292. “No one’s perfect!”

    Funny… I always thought Alpha females were… ya know, those special females who thrive when it comes to shopping – watching for marriage opportunities with a well to-do older gent with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel all while taking the reins in female-led relationships.

    Seems like as close to perfection as anyone can get. {{swoon ..}}
    LOL
    😀

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  293. I order you to go get me some food and make it snappy!

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  294. If the user with a purple monster avatar is taking our orders, I will have a loaf of brown soda bread with a platter of cockles and mussels to celebrate the coming of Irish-American Heritage Month, in 3 hours and 29 minutes (in my time zone).

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  295. If the clueless pointy head dodo misfit would consider …

    “… I will have a loaf of brown soda bread with a platter of cockles …”

    Whenever I’m in my service to others mode it’s *ALWAYS to females – which explains in a large way why YOU wish to be included. Get in where you fit …. though I suspect that the female/gay/hetero/bi/irish/leprechaun communities are about as interested in you as the Black community here is) not that any group’s lack of interest in you is enough to deter you from your dire pitiful need for self-abasement, self-humiliation and self-embarrassment.

    In the meantime, I suggest you continue to munch on the dense loaf of brown soda FEET that you apparently keep stuffed in your oversized toothless mouth. I don’t feed trolls. Not even the fatally confused ones

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  296. @ ASG-M

    Once again, you entirely miss the point. Fan is not taking food orders from all and sundry — Herneith is giving orders. Watch out or you might find a few unpalatable orders directed your way!

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  297. @Solitaire

    Is there something about tongues in cheeks that causes them to magically escape your vision?

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  298. And I wouldn’t be interested in being served by a Trump-shilling N@zi anyway.

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  299. @ Solitaire

    “Watch out or you might find a few unpalatable orders directed your way!”

    Can’t you see that Abagond is protecting him from me (I am ALL things unpalatable to this super-genius)!!

    I get banned or tossed into moderation HELL while he’s free to hurl (unanswered) every weak-azz insult that comes into his pathetic puny brain.

    I think Abagond wants me to go away.

    I think I shall oblige him. I’m not one for remaining where I’m not wanted, and where the host needs to like his own comments because hardly anyone else will, except his own personal darling white racist troll.

    Pathetic and sad.

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  300. One Hitlerite down. Resw left to go.

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  301. https://abagond.wordpress.com/open-thread/#comment-366069

    Right, this comment is that of a liberal, progressive saint, a poor victim of Scribh’s Bernie-Bro passions. Except it’s not. It’s actually quite the opposite. It’s the comment of a depraved, homophobic, misogynistic, Hibernophobic troll with possible racial separatist inclinations. If the user with the purple monster avatar is still reading comments here, I will inform him that I am neither gay nor female. But if I were, would it matter? – ’tis the question. Of course, he seems fully capable of perpetrating abuse regardless of the victim’s background, as evidenced by the ethnic slurs and stereotyping he has thrown at me for over a year.

    Also, I guess I have brown feet now! Somewhat amusing in light of this troll’s other insults of choice.

    I wonder, how many times do you have to say “white Irish racist” before others forget that you are an abusive and sexist homophobe while the person you are slandering is a Sanders supporter?

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  302. @ ASG-M

    “….while the person you are slandering is a Sanders supporter who says horrible things to and about black women

    FTFY

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  303. Finally saw Moonlight today and so many of the scenes and cinematography look like they come directly out of the playbook of HK director Wong Kar-wai, eg, Days of Being Wild (1990), Chungking Express (1994), Happy Together (1997) and In the Mood for Love (2000), particularly the latter two. In fact, one of the songs played in Moonlight (in Spanish) is the same exact song used in the opening scene of Happy Together showing Iguassu Falls in Argentina.

    Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed it, particularly because I was just in Miami this past October as well as took a ride through my old neighborhood in Anacostia, SE, DC, but the lasting impression I got from it was how much it copied from Wong Kar-wai’s style. And Wong Kar-wai has directed a number of very great films.

    And I am glad this film won the Oscar for Best Picture as I found LaLa land a bit meh.

    The following article explores this idea and includes a Youtube clip that shows a montage between Moonlight and the two latter films mentioned above.

    The side-by-side comparisons that show how a Hong Kong director influenced “Moonlight”
    https://qz.com/920627/the-side-by-side-comparisons-that-show-how-hong-kong-director-wong-kar-wai-influenced-oscar-winner-moonlight/

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  304. @scrib aka lord of mirkwood

    “One Hitlerite down. Resw left to go.”

    As we can see, abagond continues to allow his favourite racist commenter and campaign colleague free reign to launch “ad hominem attacks” and “name calling”.

    We all know you share more qualities with Hitler than any regular commenter. And since you mention his name and “Nazi” far more than anyone else, we all can see clearly have a little fetish or obsession with him.

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  305. *we all can see YOU clearly have a little fetish or obsession with him, as many white racists do.

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  306. If this goes on for another four to eight years, I thing we’ll be okay Trump and his hangers on have done nothing but embarrass themselves.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jeff-sessions-russia-trump_us_58b86f4ce4b01fc1bde6e0cf?

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  307. @Solitaire

    A pity I couldn’t get a comment in here at any point earlier today. I am dealing with some big developments in my personal life, so be a little patient.

    So, I said I was a Sanders supporter.

    Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders.

    Not the racist Hitler imposter, Trump. Not the right-wing Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, or Ben Carson. I supported Bernie Sanders.

    The most progressive candidate in last year’s election. My personal hero. Not some racist right-wing nut. BERNIE SANDERS.

    If you’re not with me, you’re with Trump. And his trolls. Are you going to abet fascism or are we, as progressives, going to stand together, in the words of my hero?

    The only thing worse than a Trump troll like Fan or resw is someone who stands by and does nothing to combat these forces of right-wing evil. Are we going to become completely like Germany in 1933, or are we going to save democracy? I’ve made my choice. Now you make yours.

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  308. @ ASG-M

    “I supported Bernie Sanders. The most progressive candidate in last year’s election. My personal hero. Not some racist right-wing nut.”

    So what? Someone can support Bernie Sanders and still be racist.

    “If you’re not with me, you’re with Trump.”

    Only two choices, eh? Nah, I think I’ve got more options than that.

    “Are you going to abet fascism”

    Reminding you of your failings equals fascism??!!

    “or are we, as progressives, going to stand together, in the words of my hero?”

    The best thing to come out of my dealings with you over the last year is I now understand much, much better — vastly, infinitely better — why so many POC dislike and mistrust white liberals/progressives. It’s been instructive, to say the least.

    You and I have had some points of agreement at times on this blog. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with you about everything. I don’t have to “stand with” you in order to be a progressive. You don’t get to define what that means for me.

    “The only thing worse than a Trump troll like Fan… is someone who stands by and does nothing to combat these forces of right-wing evil.”

    I don’t think Fan is a Trump troll or a force of right-wing evil. He’s been riding your ass lately, but you’ve earned it.

    “Are we going to become completely like Germany in 1933, or are we going to save democracy?”

    Oh, spare me the hyperbole. You’re not going to “save democracy” through your flame war with Fan, and you’re definitely not going to enlist me in your little battle.

    “I’ve made my choice. Now you make yours.”

    Child, you seriously need to get over yourself.

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  309. Well, if anyone ever thought Sanders didn’t have racist groupies, scrib aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius is your proof.

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  310. No surprise to see abagond’s racist troll and Hitler worshipper lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius hypocritically crying about others spreading conspiracy theories, with no proof, but spreading conspiracy theories of his own.

    But we can only expect hypocrisy from a racist Bernie groupie who sold out and campaigned for Bernie’s chief opponent.

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  311. @ ASG-M

    “You don’t want to be called a progressive? That’s fine”

    You misunderstand me. I proudly call myself a progressive. You don’t get to define what that means to me. You don’t get to make a rule that I can’t be a progressive if I don’t “stand together” with you in your little flame war.

    “Abagond’s already written about Russian trolls. This is exactly what they do! Open your eyes! They come onto Internet communities that oppose fascist agendas and poison the well by trying to sow discord between progressives.”

    The discord between you and me has nothing to do with Russia. It has everything to do with your racist behavior and industrial-strength blinders. No Russian troll has sowed this discord between us — it’s been present for more than a year, evident within just a few days after I first began commenting here.

    “Don’t you see how nomad promotes Russian state propaganda RT? How these people bend over backwards to excuse everything Russia does? I know you see it, because you’ve called nomad out on it recently!”

    I don’t think Nomad is a Russian troll. I think he has soured on the U.S. for good reason. I think he is looking at Russia through rose-colored glasses, but that doesn’t make him a Russian or a troll or a neo-N@zi.

    Do you have any idea how offensive it is for you to be throwing around the term neo-N@zi at people of color?

    “So no, I do not think that it’s crazy to say that standing up to Fan … could constitute saving democracy”

    Interesting how “standing up to Fan for democracy” dovetails with his criticism of your racist behavior.

    “These neo-N@zi trolls, those reincarnations of Goebbels, they’re messing with you! I’ve studied history and political science extensively. I know exactly how this works. Strongmen make their opponents weak and confused and doubt themselves.”

    Get a grip! This is a website! Just one tiny corner of the huge internet where some of us come to engage in discussion. The fate of the world does not hinge on your winning arguments here (or your running Fan and Taotesan off this site, which believe me, has not gone unnoticed).

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  312. @ Fan…

    ( i know i have a backlog of comments).

    Do not go. Give them hell. You are one of the few sanest voices (amongst others) on this blog.

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  313. @resw

    Comment deleted for use of French.

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  314. @Solitaire

    This is a website!

    Exactly. It’s a public space visited by many people. I may be wrong, but I think Abagond once wrote that there were 100 lurkers for every commenter. A lot of people could be reading the propaganda that Fan, resw, and nomad are churning out. And if they get demoralized here, they will carry that demoralization to other places. Maybe they’ll even start repeating the talking points. And so the Russian trolls will have done their work.

    And notice how, like clockwork, another person I suspect of being a part of this conspiracy has turned up to give encouragement to Fan. See? I think there’s a 30% chance I’m wrong. 70% chance that this is somehow a plot.

    Abagond did a post on “Russiagate” today. To me it is becoming more obvious with each day what is going on. There is a far-reaching plan from the Kremlin to take down liberalism and democracy. I cannot shake the feeling, seeing the apologetics for Russia that certain people on this site make, that they are somehow a part of it.

    And, by the way, here comes “the I-word:” – there is a crucial battle going on right now in the North of Ireland. There is a special election in which the pro-British Democratic Unionist Party is squaring off against Sinn Féin. If Sinn Féin wins, it will not only be a great victory for the cause of Irish freedom, but it will be a black eye to the xenophobic Brexit agenda – and Trump, and Putin, by extension. Ireland, right now, is on the front lines of the battle against the right wing (and people in the 26 counties of the Republic are among the most pro-EU people in Europe; the far-right has virtually no traction). As I write this, both parties have 27 votes, with two seats left to be reported.

    You seem to have made your choice, but I must admit to some frustration that you cannot seem to see the severity of the crisis liberals and progressives all over the world are facing. We are in full survival mode. A year ago at this point, I was championing Bernie Sanders’s policy agenda, thinking about positive change to be enacted (universal healthcare, free college education, $15/hour minimum wage, ban on fracking, etc.). Now I am literally fighting for things as elemental as the preservation of the truth.

    If you ever reconsider, my door is always open.

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  315. @abagond

    Here you go again proving how shifty your comment policy is:

    “I reserve the right to delete COMMENTS that are….
    in another language without English translation”

    See “COMMENTS,” not a WORD within a comment. If so, you’d have deleted several of your racist white Irish supremacist’s comments by now, such as this one:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2015/01/13/islamophobia/#comment-302955

    See? I don’t just say you’re biased, I actually provide evidence of your bias.

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  316. Taotesan is right.

    And the fact that Abagond has to resort to protecting his racist white Irish supremacist named scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius and using his moderation powers to exact revenge on commenters who bring up facts abagond doesn’t want to hear just shows abagond’s deceit and intellectual weakness.

    So yes, “Give them Hell”, especially the racist white Irish supremacist, who’s very, very easy to break.

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  317. @ resw

    Oh please. Lord of Mirkwood is the whole reason I had to add French curse words to the list of moderated words. As to the “oui” in your example, it hardly requires translation, no more than, say, “numero uno” – quite unlike your little dig.

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  318. “quite unlike your little dig”

    And that’s what it’s all about, folks. It has nothing to do with the comment policy. Thank you very much for proving my point and for showing how biased you are.

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  319. @ resw

    The French word you used, lèche-culs, was an insult, so, yes, it counts as a dig.

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  320. Right, abagond, suddenly it’s no longer about language because you got caught allowing lord of mirkwood to use French. So now it’s about “an insult”.

    How shifty.

    Now, I wonder why you’re only now choosing to moderate “an insult.” Given your racist campaign colleague has been insulting others all day long, calling then both “Hitlerite” and “Neo-Nazi”.

    Oh, I remember. Because he’s insulting commenters who say facts you don’t like.

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  321. @resw

    I deleted the comment because it used French. If I deleted your comments because they used insults, there would be very few left.

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  322. LOL, abagond. I don’t insult anyone who doesn’t insult me FIRST, including you. And as you know, me pointing out your unfair enforcement of the comment policy, deceit and hypocrisy are 100% backed up by appropriate examples of your unfair enforcement of the comment policy, deceit and hypocrisy….and propaganda.

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  323. …until you deceitfully delete them (as you have done before).

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  324. @ ASG-M

    “You seem to have made your choice, but I must admit to some frustration that you cannot seem to see the severity of the crisis liberals and progressives all over the world are facing.”

    Do not get all sanctimonious on me, child. I was fighting the good fight while you were still in diapers. I am well aware of the crisis. I see no great danger in the free exchange of ideas on Abagond’s blog. If there truly are Russian trolls here who hope to sway my beliefs or cast doubt in my mind, they’ll have to work a good sight harder than anything that’s passed so far.

    I’m going to say it one more time, so listen up: my issue with you has nothing to do with Russia, Trump, or Sanders. Those are actually all points where we have been in substantial (not absolute) agreement. But that agreement does not make us best buddies, and it definitely does not mean I will turn a blind eye to your racist treatment of certain individuals, including but not limited to Fan.

    “If you ever reconsider, my door is always open.”

    Bundle up warm, son, so you don’t catch your death of cold standing in the draft.

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  325. @Solitaire

    What? Are? You? Smoking? My “racist” treatment of Fan? Look at him! He could not go three comments without some racist leprechaun reference! I pushed back vigorously, but never made it about his background or any group of people to which he belonged. A couple comments above, I could have tied his crass remarks to the strain of homophobia that some allege exists within the black American community. But I didn’t. I pushed back against him.

    Taotesan, you have half a point: one time, I went over a line – over 16 months ago now. I’ve extensively apologized for it, twice. I’ve done my part in making amends for our past rancor. She, on the other hand, cannot seem to go a day of active commenting without some conspiracy theory about “the Jews did slavery! The Jews did slavery!” It’s interesting, actually – stepping back from the sort of bitterness I used to feel towards her has allowed me to more fully see, with a clear mind, that she is a pure and simple anti-Semite.

    I think that in recent months, I have actually exercised remarkable restraint with both of these individuals. I take breaks from commenting for weeks at a time to cool down when I cannot take the abuse any longer. It would be very easy for me to go full Mr. Hyde, as I did on one occasion before, but I haven’t.

    At this point, nobody has shaken my conviction that Fan, resw, nomad, and possibly taotesan are somehow connected to Russia. I think it would make a lot of sense. If white nationalists worship Russia, and are also known to work hand-in-hand with extreme black separatists (see: George Lincoln Rockwell and Elijah Muhammad), you have yourself a viable conspiracy of right-wing ethno-racial separatists, each working for their own group, but all connected to the Kremlin.

    You happen to have caught me in a good mood today. Sinn Féin did not win the greatest number of seats in the North of Ireland, but British unionist parties are, for the first time, not a majority. I am also considering taking a job in Bernie Sanders’s home city next year, which would put me closer to the Québec border and in a bastion of progressivism even more so than where I live now. So I’m not inclined to slam you. But maybe I’ll close the door and say you can knock on it.

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  326. ^^^^^
    I see they let Edmund Kemper out on parole

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  327. @ ASG-M

    “My ‘racist’ treatment of Fan?”

    For one thing, you keep calling Fan a neo-N@zi. I ask again: do you understand exactly how offensive it is to a black person to be called a neo-N@zi?

    “He could not go three comments without some racist leprechaun reference!”

    Oh my poor widdle thing, how oppressed you are. Bless your tiny green heart. sniff

    Do you realize people here are not prejudiced against the Irish per se? It gets directed at you and you only. Why is that? I’ve mentioned a few times that I also have Irish (and other Celtic) heritage, yet not once has anyone thrown a slur my way. Why is that? If I remember correctly, Michael Jon Barker and v8driver have also mentioned their Irish (and/or Scottish?) heritage and no one has yet to call them a leprechaun. Why is that?

    “I pushed back vigorously”

    You should be apologizing for your missteps and working to correct your behavior instead of pushing back.

    “I’ve extensively apologized for it, twice.”

    You had to be pushed to do so by myself and other people, both times. First you made a faux apology that was really just a half-@ssed explanation. You then dug in your heels and strongly resisted making a true apology for quite some time before finally offering what was in its wording a real apology but which lost much of its meaning because of how late it came and how much you had to be prodded to reach the point of actually apologizing. Not very long after this, you disparaged Taotesan’s intelligence (along with Herneith and Sharina) for no other apparent reason than trying to impress a French racist troll.

    What you said was so bad that even if you had immediately apologized profusely on your own accord, Taotesan would be well within her rights not to accept your apology. Compounded with your reluctance to admit your wrong-doing, I don’t know that there is any possible way you can make amends. But to truly make amends, you would have to do significantly more than what you have so far. To start with, you could stop disparaging Taotesan every few days. Just leave her alone already.

    You’re really lucky Abagond dropped the ball on that one. You should have at the very least been thrown into auto-moderation, if not temporarily or permanently banned.

    “I think that in recent months, I have actually exercised remarkable restraint with both of these individuals. I take breaks from commenting for weeks at a time to cool down when I cannot take the abuse any longer.”

    Stop fooling yourself. You get quite a number of kicks in yourself. You reap what you sow.

    “It would be very easy for me to go full Mr. Hyde”

    If it’s easy for you, perhaps you should consider that a personal failing. It would not be easy for me to get to the point of saying what you did to Taotesan. Maybe you should take several hours between reading a comment to/about you and responding to it, so that you don’t fly off the handle in a white heat and say abusive things.

    “You happen to have caught me in a good mood today…. So I’m not inclined to slam you.”

    Right, you only slam black people.

    “But maybe I’ll close the door and say you can knock on it.”

    I would advise you, sir, not to hold your breath.

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  328. @Solitaire

    Argh! I do not think I have a choice but to “get all sanctimonious” at this point! You are not seeing what is right in front of you! There is a network of right-wing trolls on this blog pushing Trumpism on us! If you think Fan is such a saint, how do you explain why he never bothers to engage the Trump regime on its own (de)merits, instead deflecting to Obama and Hillary over, and over, and over? Either he is shilling for Donald Trump or he is massively, massively confused! Given the animosity he directs towards both Hillary and Bernie, I think the former. As for resw, Michael Jon Barker has speculated that he could be a Caucasian racist trolling Abagond’s liberal politics.

    To start with, you could stop disparaging Taotesan every few days. Just leave her alone already.

    No. No. No. If you are going to defend Fan when he calls out bullsh*t “racism” on my part, then I get to call out anti-Semitism wherever I see it. You do not get to tell me to acquiesce to that neo-N@zi crap – yes, I said it – because of melanin levels in said fascist. I’ll also call out what I see as examples of neo-N@zism wherever I see them. The world is no longer safe. The Allied victory of 1945 is no longer assured. Fascists are running the government in Russia, America, they’re halfway there in Britain, and they’ve got a serious shot in France. Racial separatists and anti-Semites of any color are all part of the same piece – a plot stretching across the world, a plot to put up barriers between human beings and throw hate into love’s rightful place. The plot also aims to destroy democracy and put in various tin-pot autocracies in its place. Liberalism, progressivism, and social democracy are under attack from all sides. I must fight. I have to stand up. Because, evidently, you won’t.

    I do not think I am going to directly engage taotesan ever again, but perhaps you could ask her if she is secretly working for Vladimir Putin? Again, I swear I am not crazy. I am fully aware of everything that is going on around me. I have no psychological condition. I am a concerned citizen of the world, opposing autocracy.

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  329. ^^^
    And since I left that comment here 40 minutes ago, I’ve read about Trump’s brain-damaged tweets about Obama supposedly having wiretapped Trump Tower. No evidence. And he misspelled “tap” as “tapp.”

    This is insane. I am not going to countenance people obfuscating what is going on for a single second. I can’t afford to. If you live in America, neither can you.

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  330. It appears as though the battle with the right wing and authoritarianism is also being fought in South Africa, where, in the person of Jacob Zuma, there has been a Trumpian leader for several years.

    (South Africa has really gotten the worst of leadership from both sides: actual N@zis until 1994, a corrupt Trump clone now, with a brief ray of light between 1994 and 1999.)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/tim-knight/we-have-our-own-trump-here-in-south-africa-zuma/

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  331. @ ASG-M

    “There is a network of right-wing trolls on this blog pushing Trumpism on us!”

    Even if that is in fact true, so what? They aren’t going to convert me to Trumpism, they aren’t going to sow doubt and confusion in my mind. Are you wavering? I’m not. Let them roar.

    “If you think Fan is such a saint”

    I never said Fan is a saint, did I? Cut it out with the hyperbole. I’ve noticed the snipes he’s been taking at me and Afrofem with regards to you, but so far I’ve kept my mouth shut about that — even though the particular metaphor he’s been employing touches on an area of great personal pain for me. Unlike you, I don’t flail my fists around wildly at every slight, real or imagined.

    “how do you explain why he never bothers to engage the Trump regime on its own (de)merits, instead deflecting to Obama and Hillary over, and over, and over? Either he is shilling for Donald Trump or he is massively, massively confused!”

    I can think of at least two other options. Fan may be exactly what he represents himself to be, someone who is highly skeptical of the political process, thinks it’s all a farce, and is disgusted by what he sees at the hypocrisy of those who are more critical of Trump than they were of Obama. Or this may be his way of psychologically minimizing the threat that Trump presents, a coping measure and a defense mechanism. There are probably other possibilities but I’m not going to spend more thought on that right now. Suffice it to say that it’s not the either/or scenario you presented.

    “then I get to call out anti-Semitism wherever I see it. You do not get to tell me to acquiesce to that neo-N@zi crap – yes, I said it – because of melanin levels in said fascist. I’ll also call out what I see as examples of neo-N@zism wherever I see them.”

    You’ve criticized Israel in the past and stated your belief that such criticism does not equate to anti-Semitism. Likewise, if someone points out that rich Jewish families have exploited the diamond trade in South Africa or that Jewish merchants were involved in the trans-Atlantic African slave trade, that does not necessarily equate to anti-Semitism. And if you do feel the need to call out something you believe is anti-Semitic, you can do so without flinging out labels like neo-N@zi and fascist.

    “The world is no longer safe…. Racial separatists and anti-Semites of any color are all part of the same piece – a plot stretching across the world, a plot to put up barriers between human beings and throw hate into love’s rightful place…. I must fight. I have to stand up. Because, evidently, you won’t.”

    You can choose to fade into the white background any time you wish. I’m not saying that you will, BUT you have that option. If the worst comes to pass and Trump moves to create the white separatist nation that people like Richard Spencer desire, you can make a choice whether to fight or whether to hide. Your skin color gives you that out.

    Abagond doesn’t have that out. Nomad doesn’t have that out. Fan doesn’t have that out. Afrofem doesn’t have that out. Brothawolf doesn’t have that out. Mack Lyons doesn’t have that out. Mbeti doesn’t have that out. If Trump starts rounding up African Americans to ship them “back to Africa,” you won’t have to worry about yourself or your family or your girlfriend. They, however, will all be on the front lines whether they want to or not. Sharina is in a double bind since her husband is also Hispanic. What happens if Trump decides to send her husband “back to Mexico” and to send her somewhere in Africa? What happens to their children?

    Can you not see how it is offensive for you to position yourself as the sole righteous warrior against Trump compared to them? Your life and your liberty are not on the line.

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  332. @Solitaire

    You’ve criticized Israel in the past and stated your belief that such criticism does not equate to anti-Semitism. Likewise, if someone points out that rich Jewish families have exploited the diamond trade in South Africa or that Jewish merchants were involved in the trans-Atlantic African slave trade, that does not necessarily equate to anti-Semitism. And if you do feel the need to call out something you believe is anti-Semitic, you can do so without flinging out labels like neo-N@zi and fascist.

    When I criticize Israel, I always frame it in those terms: “Israel.” Even better, I will often name specific political parties (most often Likud) and individuals (Netanyahu), not Israelis as a whole. I am fervently opposed to virtually everything the Israeli regime has done in the past several decades, from the wars in Gaza to house demolitions to institutional discrimination against Arab citizens of the country. Yet, in my intellectual engagement with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I have given pride of place to Jewish critics of Israel: Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, and, wait for it, Bernie Sanders, who staked out a position on the issue far more pro-Palestinian than his Gentile opponent. I also give pride of place to Israeli Jewish critics of the government – there are many, and you’ll find them very quickly by poking around the liberal Israeli newspaper Haaretz. I am also very strongly against the strain of anti-Israel activism that is capable of referring to the Holocaust as “white-on-white crime.” (Full disclosure: I support a one-state solution to the conflict where that state is secular, with absolute equal rights for Jews and Palestinians.) Simply put, there is no possible way to confuse my anti-Zionist stance with anti-Semitism.

    On the other hand, in a lot of taotesan’s comments that I have seen, the word “Jewish” comes up a lot. Jewish miners. Jewish traders. The Jewish “innocence project.” Jewish, Jewish, Jewish. Why? Why these comments that sound like a proliferation of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories (Jews control the media, Jews control the economy, Jews control the world)? Why even bring up their Jewishness at all? Why drag alleged Jewish misdeeds onto completely irrelevant threads? Why call someone who expresses disagreement a “Judeophile”? I’m sorry, but I still think taotesan is an anti-Semite, and I will continue to think so until I see an extremely definite indication to the contrary. There is just too much fishiness about her attitudes towards Jewish people.

    You can choose to fade into the white background any time you wish. I’m not saying that you will, BUT you have that option. If the worst comes to pass and Trump moves to create the white separatist nation that people like Richard Spencer desire, you can make a choice whether to fight or whether to hide. Your skin color gives you that out.

    I’m not going to argue about this one. Maintaining that “I’m-Irish-not-white” line for half a year has been too exhausting for me, since both in real life and online, nobody cares what I think about my identity. However, from an anti-Trump standpoint, real-life me is already on the line. Since white nationalists don’t tend to congregate on this blog, you haven’t really gotten to see me in battle mode against them (except, perhaps, with Bobby M). You haven’t seen the emails I’ve been sending to the White House multiple times a week, giving them my real name and home address, excoriating the Trump administration. You haven’t seen the one I wrote yesterday, ranting about the evils of Sessions. You haven’t seen the petition I submitted to the White House “We the People” page back in January, under my real name and address, opposing the renewal of the Dakota Access Pipeline (in fairness, nobody saw that, since the Trump regime basically shut down the petition function and it never went through to the public page). You haven’t seen the $50 donation I made to the Southern Poverty Law Center in Jeff Sessions’s name. You haven’t seen the way that in real life, I use the limited but crucial platform I have to passionately speak out against cases of white nationalism in history – and tie it to the present. There’s a lot you’ve missed about what I’ve been up to.

    The government has my name and address and all the things, ranging from cool and collected to insults and the occasional bit of profanity, that I’ve said about them on the record. If they start going after dissidents, my name will be on the list. I’m in it now, deep in it, and probably the only way to get out is to hop the border. One of the reasons I’m considering the move to Burlington. So, I’ve been fighting against Trump vigorously. I’m looking at what Fan, resw, nomad, and others are doing here, and I’m judging them by their actions. If they can’t even speak out from under the cloak of anonymity, I think that the most likely scenarios are that they’re cowards or flat-out shills. I never said I was the sole righteous warrior in the world, and there’s a chance I might be going completely crazy about this Russia thing, but I’m prepared to say on the record that I am a better resister of Trump than any of them.

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  333. @ ASG-M

    “If they start going after dissidents, my name will be on the list. I’m in it now, deep in it, and probably the only way to get out is to hop the border.”

    Oh yeah, your name is going to be way up on the list, right up there with the POC who organized the women’s march, the BLM activists, the Natives who put their bodies in front of bulldozers to stop the pipeline. Yep, you’ve sent some nasty e-mails, Trump’s brownshirts are going to be knocking on your door any day now. /s

    This is a waste of my time. Spin your little fantasies all you want of being the white savior and resistance fighter. Bet it makes you feel all warm and tingly inside.

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  334. @Solitaire

    Nothing to say about the anti-Semitism issue? You’re just going to ignore those two gigantic paragraphs?

    We are clearly talking past each other. You know, this may be a waste of my time as well. I have a pile of history research papers to read and evaluate before the first of April. Most likely we have nothing more to say to each other, if you persist in your frankly incomprehensible stance of apathy.

    Spin your little fantasies all you want of being the white savior and resistance fighter. Bet it makes you feel all warm and tingly inside.

    Now I think I know why you have decided to paralyze yourself and take no action.

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  335. Folks, scribh is valuable in that you get an in depth as to how supposed ‘white liberal’ thinks, albeit in a long winded manner. Their motto is to deflect, deflect, deflect. Ignore him. He will eventually get tired of spewing his garbage if he gets no responses. Liberal or conservative, it’s two sides of the same coin, white supremacy.

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  336. Herneith is right. And scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius is also living proof that racists can be “liberals” and Democrats, just like the woman for whom he campaigned.

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  337. @the above user

    For the last time, I am unequivocally not xPraetorius,
    You want to see racists? Go check out the Trump administration which you seem to so adore. (Of course, 70% probability says you’re working for them, so…)
    Show me one instance where I “campaigned” for Clinton by making any argument other than lesser-of-two-evils.
    When you realize you can’t, answer this: when will you stop lying and <em<gaslighting the community here?

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  338. ^

    Thank you for reminding us how your name should be spelled, with a capital “P”.

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  339. If you do a cursory Google search for “abagond xpraetorius,” you will find his post from August 16, 2013: “Notes on xPraetorius.” Not that hard to find the right spelling, especially if you are being accused of being “xpraetorius” and do a search to find out who he is/they are.

    Couldn’t answer any of my other points, I see. Tell me, do Vladimir’s feelings get hurt when a scrawny nobody from the Northeastern U.S. busts one of his trolls?

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  340. ^

    Moving forward I’ll try to spell your name with a capital “P”. I know how sensitive you racist trolls are about these things. One time I referred to your organisation with lowercase “k”s and all hell broke loose.

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  341. I now see very vividly the way in which the Trump Era has made hysterical people no longer beholden to facts, reason, or common sense.

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  342. Never Liked the term ‘white privilege’. I prefer ‘white supremacy’. White privileges are meaningless, much like the word racist. Anyone and everyone can use it, in effect, obfuscating systemic and institutional white supremacy.

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  343. “I now see very vividly the way in which the Trump Era has made hysterical people no longer beholden to facts, reason, or common sense.”

    That must be why the racist troll called scrib aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius wrote several long-winded posts full of unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. After all, misinformation is the cornerstone of his klandestine organisation.

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  344. Hey, troll, riddle me this: if I were actually racist and/or a white supremacist, why on Earth would I spend so much time criticizing the Trump administration and the Russian Federation, two white supremacist lodestars? Why would I be actively sabotaging my cause at every turn? White supremacists look up to the authoritarian, ethno-nationalist Putin regime as an inspiration and they control the Trump government with Bannon, Sessions, Miller, & co. If I were racist, why in the world would I have voted against Trump? Why in the world would I be so vigorous in opposing that bastard?

    I’m pretty confident you can’t answer any of these questions. Because all of your accusations of “white Irish supremacist” are nothing more than lies.

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  345. ^

    When they start pretending like being anti-Trump is equivalent to not being racist, you know it’s time to do something about the white heroin epidemic.

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  346. How about actually answering my questions? I’m not going to let you off the hook so easily. I’m going to make you substantiate your allegations. Answer my questions.

    If you can’t, or won’t, then your mantras will be decisively revealed as bullsh*t.

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  347. if I were actually racist and/or a white supremacist, why on Earth would I spend so much time criticizing the Trump administration and the Russian Federation, two white supremacist lodestars?

    White supremacy can be liberal and or conservative whether extreme or centrist. Anywho, I’m going to relax and digest the delicious meal I just ate! Oh, the pleasures of life!

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  348. I don’t know why scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius expects me to answer stupid questions posed by racist trolls. He’s been posting racist comments on this blog for nearly 2 years, as I’ve pointed out on numerous occasions.

    But then again, white supremacists have selective memories……

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  349. No answer provided to any of my questions. I’m disappointed. I’ve actually been keeping this site open while I work, refreshing the browser every couple of minutes.

    Well, for what little remains of the 6th of March in the Eastern time zone, I have better things to do than expect a troll to substantiate his insults. Then again, the lack of substantiation – the fact that he simply can’t answer – is decisive proof that the troll is, in fact, a troll, and that his insults constitute but hot air.

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  350. @AGM
    A little advice. Don’t argue so much. Try being more self aware. There is a reason for what other commenters are saying but you have to be willing to understand their point of view. And hers a big clue, if you spend more time fighting to prove you aren’t something, then maybe you are. If it isn’t true, let it go and move on to a more important issue.

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  351. @ ASG-M

    “if I were actually racist and/or a white supremacist, why on Earth would I spend so much time criticizing the Trump administration and the Russian Federation, two white supremacist lodestars?”

    Because they serve as Racist Uncles to you. There are gradations of degrees, and many white people point to the worst overt racists to argue that since they aren’t that bad, they can’t be racist.

    I could go into a longer explanation, but this has been pointed out to you before, especially (numerous times) by Abagond.

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  352. The racist white Irish supremacist troll foolishly thinks changing his name twice, being a Bernie groupie, kissing abagond’s rear and actively campaigning for the DNC’s candidate makes anyone think he’s any less of a bigot than he’s shown himself to be.

    Unfortunately for him, no one has forgotten his long history of racist comments and behaviour on this blog, which are still there for all to see under all three of his aliases: scribh…, lord of mirkwood and xpraetorius.

    A few more tears, and abagond will be here in no time with the Kleenex

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  353. @ ASG-M

    “Nothing to say about the anti-Semitism issue? You’re just going to ignore those two gigantic paragraphs?”

    I was thinking it over and calming down. Sometimes I do that.

    Jews are a group that have both been the oppressed and the oppressors. They haven’t just been the oppressors in Israel, either. In South Africa, they have played a leading role in the blood diamond industry, among other precious gems and metals. The South African apartheid government was in collusion with Israel. And so on.

    Taotesan, being from South Africa and having lived under apartheid, has direct reason to consider Jews an oppressive group, just as she has direct reason to consider whites an oppressive group. I think the word “Jewish” comes up a lot in her comments because she is ranting about the oppression that Jews have subjected onto her people.

    You have ranted here extensively about the English because of their oppression of the Irish. At times someone reading your rants could easily surmise that you hold a murderous hatred towards all English people across the board and would be flabbergasted to find out that you are part English and (at least as far as literature is concerned) consider yourself an Anglophile.

    I live with someone who regularly rants about how horrible white people are. I don’t take it personally. I understand there’s an implied “not all whites.”

    I haven’t been able to fully figure out Taotesan’s views on the Jewish people yet, but that’s my take on it so far. Not so much anti-Semitism as saying “get your foot off my neck.”

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  354. @Anne

    Well said.

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  355. Just saw this photo. I’ll call it the ugly side of Mardi Gras:

    Oh yeah and the beads are chock full of toxins:

    “Independent research on beads collected from New Orleans parades has found toxic levels of lead, bromine, arsenic, phthalate plasticizers, halogens, cadmium, chromium, mercury and chlorine on and inside the beads. It’s estimated that up to 920,000 pounds of mixed chlorinated and brominated flame retardants were in the beads.”

    https://theconversation.com/the-destructive-life-of-a-mardi-gras-bead-71657

    Fun, fun, fun!

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  356. @Afrofem

    Wow. “Fat Tuesday” celebrations can clearly lead to a lot more than a potbelly! (I’ve always wanted to go to New Orleans for Mardi Gras, but now I have second thoughts…)

    All those element names give me unwanted memories of high school chemistry.

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  357. @Scribh

    Yes, all of that plastic trash ends up somewhere. Some of it in our bodies.

    The heavy metals and chemicals on the beads were a surprise.

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  358. @ Afrofem

    “The heavy metals and chemicals on the beads were a surprise.”

    That’s what happens when our government allows businesses to build factories overseas in countries with no environmental or safety regulations. Do you remember a few years ago the reports of toxic material and medical waste being used in the stuffing for teddy bears?

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  359. @ Solitaire

    I live with someone who regularly rants about how horrible white people are. I don’t take it personally. I understand there’s an implied “not all whites.”

    But the “not all Jews” is never implied. Nobody has yet seriously tried to form criticsim of some Whites into an anti-White racist ideology. When the critics of Israel/some Jews sound exactly like the open Neo-Nazis, the suspicion they might be anti-semites, too, is pretty reasonable.

    Taotesan, being from South Africa and having lived under apartheid, has direct reason to consider Jews an oppressive group, just as she has direct reason to consider whites an oppressive group. I think the word “Jewish” comes up a lot in her comments because she is ranting about the oppression that Jews have subjected onto her people.

    As far as I understand it Jews took part in the oppression of South African non-Whites as Whites and not as Jews (different from the oppression of Arabs in Israel). So to address them as Jews seems no less anti-semitic than addressing the oppression of the working class by the bourgeoisie in late 19th century Europe as “It’s the Jews”, just because some of the capitalists are Jewish.

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  360. @Kartoffel

    I did not want to get myself further bogged down in this thread, but that was perfect. Thank you.

    Some months ago, when I was doing some Google research about modern anti-Semitism in the U.S., I came across a video of a (Caucasian) woman on a plane, standing in the middle of the aisle and vowing to “tell the truth about the Jews.” Obviously an anti-Semitic tirade. Now change the speaker to a black South African, but keep the idea roughly the same – “Jews” (not “a very small group of wealthy people who happen to be Jewish,” but “Jews”) are responsible for all the greatest crimes of history and are conning the world. Is it different? I would argue no.

    I especially like your point about the Jewish bourgeoisie in Europe. It perfectly encapsulates the proper response to this anti-Semitic rhetoric. Likewise, with Israel, saying “it’s the Jews” is off base because the Israeli leadership does not speak for act on behalf of all Jewish people. Not even close.

    I would also add that this sort of anti-Semitism is especially perverse because, among the opposition to apartheid by “white” South Africans, Jews were massively overrepresented. In the 1956 Treason Trial, 14 of the 23 “white” defendants were Jewish, as were all five of the “white” ANC members (out of 17 total) arrested in 1963. Harry Schwarz and Helen Zille were both Jewish. Virtually no Jewish South Africans supported the National Party (which itself had anti-Semitic roots from the World War II era).

    During the thirties many Nationalist Party leaders and wide sections of the Afrikaner people came strongly under the influence of the Nazi movement which dominated Germany from 1933. There were many reasons for this. Germany was the traditional enemy of Britain, and whoever opposed Britain appeared a friend of the Nationalists. Many Nationalists, moreover, believed that the opportunity to re-establish their lost republic would come with the defeat of the British Empire in the international arena. The more belligerent Hitler became, the further hopes rose that the day of Afrikanerdom was about to dawn.

    The National Party of D F Malan closely associated itself with policies of the Nazis. Jewish immigration from Eastern Europe was controlled under the Aliens Act and came to an end during this period. Although Jews were accorded status as Europeans, they were not accepted into white society. The Kelvin Grove sports club for example had an exclusive Europeans Only and No Jews policy until recent times. Some 11 such sports clubs had similar policies. Many Jews lived in mixed race areas such as District Six, from where they were forcibly removed to make way for a whites-only development. The architect of grand apartheid Hendrick Verwoerd studied in Germany where he obtained a degree in psychology. Many of the apartheid eugenics programmes that targeted native Africans can be said to have been inspired by racist theories which dominated the campuses of the time, as evidenced by the use of Nazi race indexing tools.

    In 1936, Verwoerd joined a deputation of six professors in protesting against the admission to South Africa of Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany. Following these demands of the Nationalist Party, Eric Louw, later Foreign Minister, introduced another anti-Semitic bill that strongly resembled Nazi legislation – the Aliens Amendment and Immigration Bill of 1939. His bill was a means of suppressing all Jews. This bill suggested that Jews threatened to overpower Protestants in the business world and were innately cunning and manipulative and that Jews were a danger to society. To support his claim, Louw maintained that Jews were involved in the Bolshevik Revolution and therefore intended to spread Communism worldwide. This bill defined Jews as anyone with parents who were at least partly Jewish regardless of actual religious faith or practices.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_South_Africa

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  361. “Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!” – a direct quote from Lord of Mirkwood aka scribh

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  362. @ Kartoffel

    “But the “not all Jews” is never implied.”

    Uh, implied means it’s not stated or written out. So how can you say for sure that the implication wasn’t there?

    A lot of times, people jump to the conclusion that “all” is meant when it isn’t. For example, Abagond recently did a post about white liberals where he didn’t specifically state that it wasn’t meant as a blanket statement about all white liberals, but he ended up having to add such a statement because so many people (including LoM/ASG-M) got their knickers in a knot about it.

    Abagond even has an entire post on this in the Broken Records Department:
    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/the-not-all-whites-argument/

    “Nobody has yet seriously tried to form criticsim of some Whites into an anti-White racist ideology.

    Sure they have.

    “As far as I understand it Jews took part in the oppression of South African non-Whites as Whites and not as Jews”

    That I don’t know. They seem to have been considered a separate group from Christian whites during apartheid.

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  363. @ ASG-M

    “‘Jews’… are responsible for all the greatest crimes of history and are conning the world.”

    Could you please provide a link to a comment where Taotesan says that?

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  364. @ Solitaire

    Now I get the impression that you’re playing stupid to derail the arguement, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt because you haven’t struck me as a troll so far.

    So for clarification: One can only imply something if there is the reasonable expectation that the receiver would understand it as such. Otherwise the communication fails. But one cannot reasonably expect that the receiver will automatically add a “not ALL Jews” because anti-Jew statements are very often not qualified in such a way. They are just anti-semitic. So the burden to prove the non-anti-semitism is on the one who makes the anti-Jew statement.

    All that is not true for anti-White statements. Here the “not ALL Whites” is very common and expected. To clarify that the statement is not part of a general anti-White racist ideology is unneccessary.

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  365. All I did was say a few words to my African American brother, Fan… and all hell breaks loose. Goes to show you how dangerous Black love is.

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  366. @ Kartoffel

    “Now I get the impression that you’re playing stupid to derail the arguement”

    That’s not a tactic I use. If I come off as playing dumb, it is either a failure to communicate my point clearly or actual stupidity on my part.

    “One can only imply something if there is the reasonable expectation that the receiver would understand it as such.”

    That would be a definition of successful implication. People quite often believe something is understood only to discover the receiver did not understand it as such. That was the whole point of the examples I gave ASG-M about rants, including the ones he himself indulges in regarding the English.

    The only person who can tell us exactly how she intended her remarks to be taken is Taotesan. The rest of us are just guessing.

    “But one cannot reasonably expect that the receiver will automatically add a “not ALL Jews” because anti-Jew statements are very often not qualified in such a way. They are just anti-semitic. So the burden to prove the non-anti-semitism is on the one who makes the anti-Jew statement.

    I see no difference between this and any other group. If communication is to be utterly clear, people should always add the “not all” clarification, whether they are talking about Jews, Christians, Muslims, men, women, blacks, whites, LGBTQ, straights, etc. Technically, then, ASG-M should preface his anti-English rants here with the “not all” caveat. He also makes many blanket statements — sometimes bordering on violent — about other identity groups. Usually they are sub-groups of the white U.S. population that he blames for all types of racism and conservatism in order to absolve his own identity sub-groups from the same. He practices the same type of rhetoric.

    “All that is not true for anti-White statements. Here the “not ALL Whites” is very common and expected.”

    No, it isn’t — or at least not in the U.S. White people don’t understand it’s implied at all and get into an uproar about it. Hence the post Abagond wrote on that very topic.

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  367. inconsistent comment on him policy : inconsistent policy on him,

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  368. Wow, I go away for a few hours and this thread completely blows up. I have a lot of people to respond to, and it may take multiple comments, so, in order:

    @Kartoffel

    I think Solitaire has a point about being more consistent with the “not all.” I will indict myself on this. In fits of passion I get carried away with indignation and anger and throw something onto the keyboard such as “the English are imperialist bastards.” Obviously, I should put a “not all.” At the very least, J.R.R. Tolkien, Charles Dickens, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Geoffrey Chaucer, John Hobson, Jeremy Corbyn, and Trevor Huddleston fall outside that category (and that is a very short list). I have to remember that at one point, 60% of British people supported a united Ireland. I also have to remember that not all people in the Southern United States are racists or conservatives, and that, in fact, there is a tradition of progressivism there that is almost as old as the region itself.

    However, to understand anti-Semitism, some more context is needed. Conspiracy theories about Jews being behind various atrocities, lying about their role in history, and controlling the banks/governments/world is a classic anti-Semitic trope. I’m sure you don’t need to be told what happens when that gets out of hand. (Remember the “Judeo-Bolshevik” plot to undermine the Vaterland?) Theories of a Jewish conspiracy – of the evil, scheming, rich Jew – have been an essential staple of anti-Semitism for centuries, at least. RationalWiki – one of the best sources of information, if I may indulge in a short commercial break – has some good stuff on it:

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/International_Jewish_conspiracy

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evil_Jew

    Applied to the specific context of anti-Semitism, throwing out conspiracy theories and failing to include a “not all” disclaimer is very dangerous. It is not out of the question that the person doing so has anti-Semitic tendencies. I think that is where you and I are in agreement.

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  369. @Solitaire

    Could you please provide a link to a comment where Taotesan says that?

    Well, she never comes out and says those exact words, directly. She instead makes copious use of dog whistles that any good anti-Semite would recognize and lap up instantly.

    I can give you two examples of such dog whistles (two links is the maximum number I can get through without my comment going down in Abagond’s moderation filter).

    First, let us go then, you and I, while the evening spreads against the sky, like a patient etherized upon a table, to the White Liberals thread:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2017/01/18/white-liberals/#comment-363365

    Jewish people weren’t the topic of this thread. She introduced the Jewish element into it. She could have made her point about “white liberals are exactly the same as conservatives, etc., etc., etc” without bringing Judaism into the mix. She refers to “the Hollywoodizing? of slavery to lay all the blame on gentile whites…” suggesting that Jews control the film industry and are using it to spread their nefarious Jooooooooowish agenda and brainwash the world. Classic anti-Semitic conspiracy theory right here, that the Jews control the media. We also get a line about “Jewish prominence in the genocide of Native Americans…” What is she talking about? I have studied American history in great detail. I have never come across a Jewish organization calling for the Plains people to be annihilated to make room for the industrious sons of Abraham. I have seen a lot of that cr@p emanating from Protestantism (again, not all Protestants), and to a much lesser extent from certain people in the Catholic Church, but never from Jews. If the Jews really pioneered the settlement of indigenous land, then why are there tiny percentages of Jewish people in Montana, the Dakotas, and Wyoming?

    Now, the Israel thread:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2006/07/15/israel/#comment-319341

    This comment starts out with a basis in history and reason. There was collusion between the Israeli government and that of old South Africa. Israel is indeed an apartheid state. It’s not insane to compare Palestinians to black people in pre-1994 South Africa. These are all valid points. But then, we readers get bitten by the anti-Semitism monster.

    That ‘many south african jews did not support apartheid’ is not corroborated by South Africans in general, but the nice PR that money can buy in media like Haaretz, Forward, Jerusalem Post ,used to whitewash their role as “innocent non -racists’ in both apartheids. Notwithstanding that they comprise of the richest community on the planet all at the expense of cheap South African Black labour and beneficiaries of one of the worst crime against humanity.

    The “richest community on the planet”? Richer than the billionaires in India who live in private skyscrapers above the Mumbai slums? Richer than the billionaire class in the U.S.? Richer than everyone on the Fortune 500 list? All Jews in South Africa? There’s not one of them who doesn’t live in a mansion? Unsubstantiated rantings about money-grubbing Jews should set off major red flags for anyone with a basic knowledge of 20th-century European history. The National Socialists came to power in Germany on promises to take the country back from Jewish bankers. Twelve years later, six million Jewish people – as well as 6 million other people including Catholics, leftists, Roma, LGBT people, resistance fighters in other European nations – were dead.

    (I would say that it is not Jews keeping large swathes of South Africans in poverty – it is the government, led by Trumpian strongman Jacob Zuma, which despite its nominal socialism has descended into corruption. One of my heroes, Archbishop Tutu, has spoken out extensively about the degeneration of the ANC from a left-wing freedom movement to a status quo political party. I feel a Lord Acton saying coming on…)

    Also, the passage I quoted has a nice gem about evil Jews using their filthy money to buy out the media (thus completing the “Jews control the media”) part of the anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.

    Anti-Semitic? Or just coincidentally happening to line up with tons of well-recognized anti-Semitic canards?

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  370. @ abagond

    Perhaps you restore some dignity to Black History Month by writing on
    ” The Secret Relationship between Blacks and Jews” Volume’s 1 and 11 written by NOI.

    It contains strict historical evidence from Jewish respected sources in their leading role in the chattel slavery of kidnapped Africans, the genesis of the Curse of Ham, their part in the genocide of Native Americans, the formation, participation and collusion with the Klu Klan Klan, amongst other historical facts hidden and suppressed from African Americans and the rest of the world.

    If you frame it from the historical evidence itself and not the sell-out slant by Gates and propagandist cover-up by Wiesenthal et al.

    In doing so , on this blog, African Americans can get to learn about the people who have by prestidigitation and dirty tactics , expunged history by manufacturing a shared history of oppression, when in fact they were/are the original oppressors.

    Since you are from the Caribbean, a post on the “Jewish Onslaught” by Professor Tony Martin(R.I.P), would shed light on the dirty tactics to cover up the greatest crimes against humanity.

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  371. Jewish Onslaught

    the formation, participation, and collusion with the Ku Klux Klan (a rabidly anti-Semitic, neo-N@zi organization)

    the people who have by prestidigitation and dirty tactics, expunged history by manufacturing a shared history of oppression, when in fact they were/are the original oppressors

    the dirty tactics [used] to cover up the greatest crimes against humanity

    Plus, citing the Nation of Islam, which RationalWiki describes as “a cult chimera consisting of fringe Islam, black supremacism and Scientology-levels of crank magnetism…Nation of Islam has traditionally been xenophobic and Black supremacist, to the point of naming all people of European descent “White Devils” and only “potential humans”.[2] They believe the Jew is responsible for much of the evil done in this world; there are even off-the-cuff statements by members regarding AIDS being intentionally designed or administered onto the Blackman by Jewish doctors, saying that: “We know that the Jews are the most organized, rich and powerful people, not only in America, but in the world. They’re plotting against us as we speak.”… A spokesman of this organization, Khalid Abdul Muhammad, praised Hitler and posited that the Jews deserved the Holocaust because they undermined Germany.

    Now, to inject some more sanity from RationalWiki:

    Common to all Evil Jew caricatures is the idea that all Jews act in unison — ie, they are in a perfect race-based conspiracy…The Jews are alleged to have leveraged their power in the financial industry and involvement in Freemason and Illuminati conspiracies to have completely taken over the world. Many of these “theories” were codified in the pseudohistorical hoax The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Besides banks, Jews are commonly alleged to especially control the media, governmental bodies, academia, and the arts…

    The prosecution rests.

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  372. @ abagond: why are my comment to you in moderation?

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  373. why are my comments about mirkwood under moderation?

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  374. @ taotesan @ An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    You are not to make personal remarks about each other. I just deleted several comments where both of you did. Say whatever you want about Jews. Say whatever you want about me. But do not make personal remarks about each other.

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  375. @ taotesan

    If you want to chew me out, you will have to do it without making sideswipes at ASGM.

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  376. @ Abagond why did you DELETE four of my commments after publishing them since there was no offensive words or wording , then moderating them ?

    And then restore mirkwoods?

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  377. Unsubscribe

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  378. @ taotesan

    See above.

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  379. @Abagond

    Fair enough.

    I hope my long comments to Kartoffel and Solitaire stuck to the substance of anti-Semitism. If I went into personal territory that was not my intention.

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  380. @ Fan… Herneith , Sharinair, Nomad, resw ,Trojan Pam, Mbeti ,Mary Burrell, Blakksage, Brothawolf, munubantu and a few others that I might have left out ,thank you for your part in my education.

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  381. @abagond

    you can delete ALL my comments on your blog.

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  382. Last September I said:

    “@taosetan @Lord of Mirkwood

    Do not directly address each other or make any personal remarks about the other. You can still comment on the other’s comments.”

    See:
    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2016/08/30/the-star-spangled-banner/comment-page-1/#comment-333857

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  383. @ ASG-M

    So when you believe someone may be anti-Semitic, the way you handle that is not with the kind of measured discourse you directed to me above, but instead by telling them to go commit necrophilia with the corpse of the dictator who was responsible for horrific crimes against their own people?

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  384. @Abagond

    If you are going to do a comment deletion spree, I would humbly ask you to save the comments I quoted as possible examples of anti-Semitism. Otherwise I don’t know how much sense this whole discussion would make.

    On the other hand, if you do decide to delete all of taotesan’s comments, I would not mind you deleting the comments in which I suggest anti-Semitism on her part. I would also ask for all of my comments on the threads “commenter” and “racism is dead” to be deleted.

    Thank you. I write with so much appreciation for all the good work you do here.

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  385. @”Well, she never comes out and says those exact words, directly.”

    Goes to show how much that racist white Irish supremacist scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius lies, as racist trolls tend to do.

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  386. @Taotesan

    You’re welcome and thank you as well.

    Please don’t let abagond’s preferential treatment of his racist white campaign colleagues chase you away. And understand he’s still devastated at the US election results and has not yet recovered. To make matters worse, his completely desperate attempts to spread propaganda are just not working.

    When he comes to his senses, abagond will one day regret that he started using his own blog to campaign for a racist, attack truth tellers and advance white supremacy.

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  387. @Solitaire

    “Do you remember a few years ago the reports of toxic material and medical waste being used in the stuffing for teddy bears?”

    First I’ve heard of it. Not really surprised. Global manufacturing is in a race to the bottom in terms of costs and quality.

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  388. Just caught two Americans living in my country using Malware to steal money from our banks. Their connections are in Spain, Moldova and other East European nations.

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  389. Hey Abagond did you see Get Out? I thought it was a pretty good social commentary on racism especially among liberal whites. It has so many layers to it as well and the acting was pretty good. I think you should do a review on it. Here’s the trailer for anyone not familiar with it.(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sRfnevzM9kQ)

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  390. @ Queenie

    I have not seen it yet, but if and when I do I will certainly do a post on it.

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  391. @Abagond; You have to see Get Out so much to unpack after viewing. I can tell you every black person in the theater clapped at the end of the film.

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  392. @taotesan: Please don’t go.

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  393. @taotesan:

    Please do not go, your posts are empowering and illuminating.

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  394. on Fri 17 Mar 2017 at 14:54:30 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    Happy Cultural Appropriation Feckfest Day to all.

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  395. “Happy Cultural Appropriation Feckfest Day to all”

    Since a British child named Patricius was kidnapped by Irish thieves and enslaved in Ireland, you could say the Irish appropriated St. Patrick himself.

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  396. Folks, I just consumed a large bowl of cheese and shells pasta, jealous?

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  397. Yes.

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  398. @Herneith

    Home made or out of a box?

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  399. Perversley, out of a box. It is supposedly ‘organic’. Usually, I make my own but I was starving and desperate. Desperate times call for desperate measures as it were. It wasn’t that bad actually.

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  400. @Herneith

    I just hope it was good and satisfying.

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  401. (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/30/what-it-means-to-be-black-in-britain-today)

    A poetic and at times poignant testimony of human existence in a racialized world. Interesting article.

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  402. on Wed 22 Mar 2017 at 05:39:42 grin and bear it

    Abagond, you have to do a post on this movie called “The Intruder.” I’ve just seen it on You Tube. It stars William Shatner and was directed by Roger Corman — yes, king of schlock Roger Corman. Given the film’s title and director , you’d think it was about space invaders or monsters from the deep. Wrong. It’s about a smooth talking racist who arrives in a southern town just as the town’s schools are forced to integrate. I’m interested in hearing other people’s impressions of the film, and I’m curious to see your take on it. Plus, it needs to be discussed given that the language is very similar to what we’re hearing today but with a different ethnic group as the subject.

    (https://youtu.be/DGkLnjn8E3k)

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  403. @ grin and bear it

    I will do a post on it, probably this weekend. Thanks.

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  404. on Wed 22 Mar 2017 at 16:46:17 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    I am not going to apologize for standing up to right-wingers, regressives, and fascists.

    Everything’s always my fault, isn’t it. Nothing to say about resw, blakksage, or Fan (back in his day). Nothing to say about how Fan used the concept of femininity as an insult. Nope. It’s always the progressive’s fault. Everywhere, every time.

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  405. Racists aren’t “progressive”. Plus the only “progressive” ideal that racist white Irish supremacist scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius ever talks about is getting freebies on the taxpayer’s dime.

    That doesn’t make him a progressive, just a racist freeloader.

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  406. @ ASG-M

    It isn’t that you stand up to them, it’s how you do it — positioning yourself as a victim being “oppressed” by POC, using aggressively offensive language and insults, not listening to much less conceding to valid points they make, badgering people until they leave instead of attempting to persuade and convince, refusing to see your own faults and cupability.

    It isn’t that you’re a progressive. It’s that you seem to be happy, even proud, that you’ve run Fan and Taotesan off. You’ve made it clear that there are other targets on your list who you would be happy to see go as well. You are silencing people.

    Let me say that again: It isn’t because you’re a progressive. It is because you, as a white male, have undertaken to silence and run off people of color with whom you disagree.

    You, a white male, are silencing people of color in a space that was meant for them to be able to talk and discuss freely.

    As liberal as Abagond is, it is pretty clear this is a black space first and foremost, not a progressive space or a liberal space.

    Stop trying to shape it to be what you feel comfortable with or what you think it should be. White men have already done far too much of that.

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  407. “As liberal as Abagond is, it is pretty clear this is a black space first and foremost, not a progressive space or a liberal space.”

    LOL! Hilarious. That must be why abagond has teamed up with his resident white racist troll to target self-professed black commenters that didn’t support the candidate for whom abagond campaigned.

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  408. @ ASG-M

    “Nothing to say about how Fan used the concept of femininity as an insult.”

    Right, because it’s the epitome of anti-sexism to tell a woman to go f*ck a corpse.

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  409. And let’s be clear here, scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius did not “run off” Taotesan and Fan…, abagond did.

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  410. @scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius

    Please, you didn’t “run off” anyone. Don’t flatter yourself. They left because of the actions of abagond, not you.

    And I’m glad you’ve admitted your love for racist President FDR who was the only one in history to intern people of a certain ethnicity just like your other idol Hitler.

    It’s one of dozens of examples on this blog that prove you’re the racist you know you are.

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  411. on Thu 23 Mar 2017 at 02:57:40 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @the racist black British supremacist resw aka resw77

    yawn

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  412. Resw and LOM create a toxic enviroment in the blog. Not surprising that they are both white.

    Abagond puts up with it because of free speech.

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  413. @michaeljonbarker

    Then go to another blog. You’re just upset that I’ve exposed you for the racist you’ve admitted to being.

    @scribh

    Too bad that doesn’t change the fact that your “favorite President” whom you love is the only one in history who interned people of a certain ethnicity.

    But what else can we expect from the same person who defended blackface multiple times on this blog?

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  414. @ MJB

    “Abagond puts up with it because of free speech.”

    And gets bashed for it to boot.

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  415. Abagond gets “bashed” for his lies, hypocrisy and preferential treatment of his white racist campaign colleagues. And yes, I’ve provided lots of proof of all of this.

    And nothing is worse than how abagond allows his white racist campaign colleagues to derail nearly every single thread about white racism against blacks, and as I’ve pointed out numerous times, much to their chagrin.

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  416. A good example of such white racist campaign colleagues and their supposed black lackey derailing a thread about racism against blacks as noted not just by me but several other commenters:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2016/12/27/jacqueline-craig/

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  417. The pot calling the kettle black.

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  418. @abagond

    Then do as I’ve done and actually back up your false claims with evidence. But you’d rather lie, being the deceitful person you’ve proven yourself to be.

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  419. Abagond used to call out the scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius for derailing: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2015/11/03/teachingracism/#comment-298928

    But that was before the general election campaign season. Now abagond gives him free reign as a reward for helping him campaign for the DNC.

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  420. on Thu 23 Mar 2017 at 15:27:39 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @resw

    Do you remember how Abagond has said many times that he hates Clinton? I can only speak for myself, but it looks like he was a Bernie Sanders supporter who only tepidly decided to vote for Clinton for the sole purpose of stopping Trump. It makes sense to me because my trajectory was exactly the same.

    Of course, you hate Bernie as well (because you’re probably a right-wing troll), so facts and reason like that wouldn’t matter to you anyway.

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  421. @ resw

    And I give you free reign as a reward for what?

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  422. @scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius

    I don’t care who abagond said he hates. It doesn’t change the FACT that he spent numerous posts advocating on her behalf and admittedly voted for her himself.

    And do you remember when you said “Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!”?

    It’s yet another of many examples showing your true racist white supremacist colours (and love for Hitler).

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  423. on Thu 23 Mar 2017 at 15:34:32 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    Oh, and Mr. Racist Black British Supremacist resw aka resw77,

    Do you even care about the fact that the GOP (N@zi) Congress is currently gutting the (paltry as is) healthcare that Americans have? Or are you too wrapped up in your vendetta against liberals to care about the well-being and lives of millions of human beings in this country? Or are you just shilling for Trump? (I think you are.)

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  424. @abagond

    “And I give you free reign as a reward for what?

    LOL! You’re a riot. And how’d I know you couldn’t come up with evidence to back up your false claim?

    You’ve falsely accused me of breaking rules you know I didn’t break just to delete my comments that did nothing but expose your deceitful motives, such as the time you FALSELY accused me of advertising, while allowing Mirkwood to advertise his failure of a blog dozens of times.

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  425. Unless Hillary Clinton and the Breakfast Club personnel are members of the alt-right movement, this was a major off-topic derailment, with an anti-black racial slur thrown in to top it off:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2016/08/26/alt-right/comment-page-1/#comment-333504

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  426. First, the post was not about white racism against blacks, which was what we were actually talking about.

    Second, my first comment was in response to another comment about “Clintons” so therefore I was not the first nor the second to comment on the “Clintons”. Abagond commented on the “Clintons” even before I did.

    And third, no one used coon as an “anti-black slur.” But nice try.

    Looks like abagond’s white racist campaign colleauges are struggling today.

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  427. I admit that I should have moved that discussion from the Jacqueline Craig post to here or another appropriate thread.

    But I do not regret challenging blatant homophobia from a straight white male Russian commenter. I don’t regret a single word I said to him.

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  428. michaeljonbarker makes a good point.

    Resw, if you hate Abagond so much and think he is so unfair, Breitbart’s comment section awaits your full time attention.

    Scribh, in arguments and in life it takes two to tango. Insult-fests create a toxic atmosphere without anything of real value being added.

    The rest of us come here to relax, give value to the commentariat and learn something. Selfish personal agendas are a big time waster and boring to boot.

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  429. LOL. How’d I know the white racists’ lackey would chime in to defend her massas? I mean, it’s just like old times, when they spent numerous threads all trying to do something Abagond specifically said not to do:

    “”The way to disagree with someone is to disagee with their STATEMENTS, particularly the FACTS and REASONING that underlie them.
    Not with their (guessed-at) motives.
    Not with their (guessed-at) RACE.
    Not with their apparent personal faults.
    Not with their grammar or spelling.”

    Each and every one of them derailed multiple threads and has “guessed-at” (wrongly) my race, motives, nationality, etc.

    And abagond has not once done anything about it.

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  430. @ ASGM

    Commented deleted for talking about taotesan.

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  431. @ Afrofem

    “Insult-fests create a toxic atmosphere without anything of real value being added. … Selfish personal agendas are a big time waster and boring to boot.”

    Unfortunately, this is exactly what trolls thrive on. It gives them a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Many a place on the web has been ruined by their attention-seeking behavior.

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  432. ^When you can’t dispute commenters’ “STATEMENTS, particularly the FACTS and REASONING that underlie them” then do as the white racists do and call them a “troll”, guess at their race, gender, nationality, etc.

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  433. @ ASG-M

    I see you ignoring me. You dive right into anything you can make into a political argument, but you refuse to discuss your own behavior towards POC.

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  434. on Thu 23 Mar 2017 at 18:01:00 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @Afrofem

    As usual, you are right. I am not going to call resw by that appellation again.

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  435. As usual, Afrofem is being a hypocritical. Preaching about not using “insults” right after using an insult him/herself.

    S/he did the exact same thing on the UN Reparations thread while simultaneously defending his/her massa scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius and even lying to hide his usual racist derailment.

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  436. on Thu 23 Mar 2017 at 20:15:28 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @Solitaire

    I have a busy life. I have work to do, which demands my attention. I might try to get back to you later, if my schedule will permit.

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  437. @ Solitaire

    “Many a place on the web has been ruined by their attention-seeking behavior.”

    True.

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  438. on Thu 23 Mar 2017 at 23:50:01 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @Solitaire

    Okay, listen up. 3/4 of my Internet-related brain are devoted to resw, since I’m still waiting for him to respond to my question about healthcare. Because, very frankly, that is what I am concerning myself with – current politics in America. With the other 1/4 of my brain, I am going to make myself very, very, very clear.

    If you want to discuss politics with me here, I am all in. Let’s talk about healthcare. The environment. Every single thing relating to the Trump administration that you can think of. I will talk to you for hours about Bernie Sanders. You’re accusing me of diving into political discussions? Darn straight. Both of us are living in a country under threat of falling to fascism. THAT is what I am concerning myself with. Politics – specifically, resisting Trump. I do not have time on this thread for the stupid joke of a conversation that you seem to want to have.

    If it is really pressing you, email me at scribh5 at gmail dot com. I will put your questions on my “to do” shelf to look over one of these weekends, should I get bored. But on this thread, help me fight Trump and the GOP or get out of my way.

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  439. @ ASGM

    Right, so you are giving the finger to a sincere commenter and instead want to give care and feeding to a troll.

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  440. @”I’m still waiting for him to respond to my question about healthcare”

    Well you’ll keep waiting because I don’t answer stupid, irrelevant questions, as you know.

    @”so you are giving the finger to a sincere commenter and instead want to give care and feeding to a troll”

    LOL. The insincere “trolls” are your white campaign colleagues who have derailed countless threads about blacks and white racism to talk about LGBT, the Irish, etc. and to harass me about my race, gender and nationality.

    And there’s nothing trollish about calling out their racism and checking you on your hypocrisy and lies, whether it hurts your ego or not.

    You used to call out your racist commenters’ racism too, but now you’ve become one of them, which is why your longtime supposed black commenters see right through you and are dropping like flies.

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  441. on Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 03:13:40 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @resw

    Feel free to leave my healthcare question unanswered. In turn I will operate under the assumption that you are heartless and do not care whether millions of people live or die so long as it is good for the “free market” and “competition.”

    You could end this quickly by telling me that you do, indeed, care about Americans’ health services. You could do what I’m doing and stand with Bernie Sanders to protect the lives of my fellow human beings.

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  442. on Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 03:17:18 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @Abagond

    I do not know if reason or human decency can ever appeal to resw. What I hope to achieve by engaging him right now is for the benefit of everyone else on this thread. I want to show, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he is pro-Trump and anti-progressive. I am using a mixture of the Socratic method and appeal to his heart (not that I expect anything to come from an appeal to that which does not exist) to reveal his right-wing tendencies. Kind of like what I did with anti-Semitism of somebody else (on this very thread).

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  443. @ ASGM

    You are wasting your time: he is a troll.

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  444. @ Abagond

    It isn’t a waste of time in ASG-M’s mind, not when he can avoid examining his own faults while positioning himself as a crusader for justice and getting to feel all self-righteous.

    I don’t know whether ASG-M is a troll or not, but I’ve obviously been wasting my time on him.

    I actually hope he is xprae because that would mean he’s a construct and an experiment, not a real human being, and therefore ASG-M’s ability to do harm to POC would be limited to this blog.

    Anyway, I wash my hands of him.

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  445. on Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 04:35:35 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @Solitaire

    Let me put the xpraetorius question to rest for you. I did not know of this blog’s existence until the autumn of 2014.

    Rest assured that I am an actual human being. No researcher conjured me, unless we are all living in some sort of Matrix thing, in which case all of us are false constructs. Rest assured that I am not a troll either. I do not comment here to get a rise out of people or poison wells (I think that is the definition of a troll?). I am genuine in my political beliefs.

    Anyway, I see you’ve made your choice about how to handle the events of this thread and the current situation in American politics. It disappoints me greatly but I guess that deep down I wasn’t expecting anything more. You seem to have chosen the roll-over option. You are going to do nothing to defend liberal values against the conservatives. Quite frankly, it sickens me.

    It’s after midnight.

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  446. LOL! How funny that the same scribh aka lord of mirkwood who defends blackface, says the Nazi salute, and “loves” the only President who put people in concentration camps (all facts) is preaching about “human decency”.

    And abagond is actually here defending him. I only wonder why he was nowhere to be found when scribh aka lord of mirkwood started his disgusting personal attacks against numerous commenters on this thread.

    I’ve long claimed bias, and abagond keeps validating that claim.

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  447. on Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 04:57:13 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @resw

    It is almost 1:00 in the morning where I live, and I’m going to have to wake up at 5:30 to get ready for work, and I’m still devoting my energy to dealing with you. I want Bernie Sanders to find me and hand-deliver me a merit badge. Or pay for my move to Burlington. Or both.

    You are silent on healthcare, so I’m going to assume that you’re a heartless pile of fascistic trash who does not care about human lives. Next up: the death penalty. Do you or do you not believe in state-sanctioned murder? All you have to do is say one word: “no.” If you do not do this – and I know you’re following this thread, so you can’t plead ignorance – I’m going to assume that you do believe in the state killing people out of a barbaric desire for revenge. And I am going to count that as further evidence against you.

    For reference: Bernie Sanders believes in the total abolition of the death penalty.

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  448. @ ASG-M

    “Quite frankly, it sickens me.”

    Then we have a point of commonality: your behavior sickens me.

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  449. There are two types of commentators on this blog; Those that write abut there personal experiences with white racism and whites who theorize about white supremacy. Some whites who view themselves as “allies” are still just racist. Resw comments over the years lack any reference to personal experience and are an intellectual understanding of racism. Its got white all over it.

    LOM

    “Kind of like what I did with anti-Semitism of somebody else (on this very thread).”

    You refuse to listen. You are viewing anti-Semitism through a Western lens.

    Taotesan’s comments about his personal experience with Jews in Africa doesn’t make him anti-Semitic and are valid criticisms. The economic supremacy of some Israelis in different parts of Africa is a very real thing.

    When I was traveling through Tanzania, Kenya ect and I would ask “Who owns this coffee plantation?” And the answer was “Israeli’s”. The same with shopping malls in cities to farms out in rural areas.

    The diamond industry is a major export of Israel making up about a third of there export revenue. Five billion dollars a year in polished diamonds that originated from the African continent. That five billion dollars should stay if Africa with Africans polishing and trading their own diamonds. But that would mean Israel and the West giving up economic dominance of that resource.

    The U.N. is suppose to be an independent democratic organization but who really controls it ? The West and their forward position, Israel.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/official-resigns-israel-apartheid-report-170317182241142.html

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  450. on Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 05:13:19 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @michaeljonbarker

    It’s eminently possible to criticize Israeli businessmen without bringing up the word “Jews” or “Jewish” even once.

    Historically, Jewish people have been so rottenly treated that any Jews who happen to be “oppressors” in Africa are where they are in spite of being Jewish, not even close to because of it. Plus, as I noted in another comment, Jews were strongly represented in the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa, making the anti-Semitism of that commenter even more perverse.

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  451. As we can see, self-admitted white racist michaeljonbarker, who’s clearly and creepily obsessed with me, is once again involving himself to do what abagond specifically said not to do:

    “The way to disagree with someone is to disagree with their STATEMENTS, particularly the FACTS and REASONING that underlie them.
    Not with their (guessed-at) motives.
    Not with their (guessed-at) RACE….”

    Why does abagond never have anything to say about this trollish behavior but is so quick to call people trolls who tell truths abagond doesn’t want to hear?

    Further validation of his bias.

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  452. on Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 05:28:44 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @Solitaire

    Then it seems as though we find ourselves at a good old-fashioned impasse.

    You know, despite the disagreements we have had in the past, I’ve always counted you as an intelligent commenter. If I had to name four members of this community who I highly respected, they would have been Abagond, Afrofem, Michael Jon Barker, and you. Now that number is whittled down to three. Because I look at you now and I see a shell. You won’t stand up to resw (partly because you, for some self-defeating reason, neutralized yourself on the “Hitler was democratically elected” thread by making an oath to Sharina to not engage with him, pleading with her to “hold me accountable.” It’s a shame, because that was one of your best threads; your takedowns of resw up to that point were comments I would laud to the skies). Barbarians – Trump & co. – are at the gates, Rome is burning, and you are fiddling. You are fighting the bigots 10% of the time, like with “a Russian nagpo.” 90% of the time, you’re either AWOL or, if the despicable homophobe’s name is Fan, you are defending him. Yes, it sickens me. Let it not be said that I was responsible for the severing of what good relations once existed between us. I offered you multiple chances to come to the good side, the side of resistance to Trump and of love over hate. I made into clear that I wanted you on my side – on Bernie’s Sanders’s side, on the side of reason and truth. You didn’t take me up. So here we are. At a good old-fashioned impasse.

    And with that, I banish myself to bed for a sleep of under four hours.

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  453. And even if michaeljonbarker never admitted to being racist, he exposes just how racist he is each and every time he implies that blacks and the many other non-whites can only comment a certain way.

    And his thinking that all commenters on this blog fit into two categories just goes to show his deep level of provincialism.

    It’s sad that in 2017, people in the US still have such archaic mindsets.

    @”your takedowns of resw up to that point were comments I would laud to the skies”

    LOL! Clearly you didn’t read the thread. The discourse ended with an apology made to me for false accusations.

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  454. @ ASG-M

    “You know, despite the disagreements we have had in the past, I’ve always counted you as an intelligent commenter.”

    Not true. The first few months that we interacted, you didn’t have any respect for me and called me all sorts of names. Not sure when that changed, don’t care — wasn’t ever trying to earn your respect.

    “If I had to name four members of this community who I highly respected, they would have been Abagond, Afrofem, Michael Jon Barker, and you. Now that number is whittled down to three.”

    Good.

    Your respect is fickle and easily lost. Around Thanksgiving you told Sharina that you would vote for her in any political office she would care to run for (I think on the Programming Note thread). A couple months later she had p*ssed you off by continuing to call out your racism and you were telling that French troll that you didn’t like her and heavily implying she wasn’t intelligent.

    “Because I look at you now and I see a shell.”

    You have never seen me. You have never heard me. You have never listened. You have no idea what I’ve been saying to you.

    “You are fighting the bigots 10% of the time”

    You are a bigot, and I’ve been fighting with you about that since Day One. I have fought with you more than anyone else, maybe more than everyone else combined. And now I’m done.

    “Let it not be said that I was responsible for the severing of what good relations once existed between us.”

    The only reason there was anything resembling good relations between us is that I was trying to keep lines of communication open. I was responsible for the “good” relations, and I now am responsible for the cessation of that effort.

    D.O.N.E.

    Hands. Washed.

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  455. on Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 13:39:39 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @resw

    Death penalty opinion…going once…going twice…

    (We’re going to do Keystone XL next, since the Trump administration has just approved it.)

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  456. on Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 14:08:42 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @Solitaire

    Not sure when that changed

    In late August. Right about the time we had the in-depth historical discussion about the War of 1812 (and counterfactual history) on the Star-Spangled Banner thread.

    You have no idea what I’ve been saying to you.

    Oh, I have a pretty good idea. You’ve been taking differences of opinion between us and chalking it up to “industrial-strength blinders.” You’ve been telling me to submit to categorizations and classifications that feel wrong to me, telling me to accept being called a racist, telling me to shut up with my stupid opinions and let truly disgusting people like Fan, resw, and others who shall remain nameless to run wild. If there is one positive outcome of the interactions between us, it is that I have taken a more holistic view of my countrymen. No, I do not assign Southerners collective guilt for the Civil War or their states’ conservative policies. Not anymore, at any rate. I recognize the vibrant presence of progressives and good people everywhere (even if I would still rather live in Vermont than Alabama). I learned that much from you – the “not all” point you made to Kartoffel on this very thread, and my response to it, sums that up nicely.

    You are a bigot

    Who, besides Abagond, has been the voice most polemically critical of Trump on this blog?

    You have been reduced to raving and slanderous falsehoods.

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  457. @scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius

    You should accept being called racist because it’s true. At least according to abagond’s logic, you’re a “colour-blind racist”:

    “Colour-blind racists say things like this:

    It’s not race, it’s economics …”

    and scribh aka lord of mirkwood said:

    “When you get down to the heart of the reparations debate – as with everything – the issue becomes class. ”

    “You see, once you take away the economic issues, Black Power can fizzle and die because there’s simply no need for it.”

    So yes, you’re a racist according to abagond (at least according what abagond wrote, but we know how deceitful abagond is).

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  458. on Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 14:52:29 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @resw

    Leave Abagond out of this.

    So, I now assume you’re okay with state-sanctioned murder. Let’s go to the environment. Do you or do you not believe that corporations should be building gigantic pipelines that will wreak havoc on the Earth, eventually causing us all to die?

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  459. @scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius

    You’re also a racist according to michaeljonbarker, who said this about you (and he’s the expert):

    “Racists love to talk about I.Q.”

    After scribh aka lord of mirkwood randomly told sharina this during an argument:

    “By the way, I have an IQ of 157″

    So yes, you are racist according to your ”

    @scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius

    You know, you’re also a racist according to michaeljonbarker, who said this (and he’s the expert):

    “Racists love to talk about I.Q.”

    And scribh aka lord of mirkwood randomly told sharina this during an argument:

    “By the way, I have an IQ of 157”

    So yes, you are racist according to your “highly respected”
    michaeljonbarker.

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  460. on Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 16:19:39 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @resw

    Kind of hard to take you seriously when you make mega-typographical errors like that and don’t see them before posting your comment.

    Keystone XL…going once…going twice…

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  461. @an scribh

    It was a wordpress and browser issue, but I’m glad it made you prove abagond’s point in “How to derail an argument about racism” in which he states “The trick is to never take what they say seriously”

    “If their English is bad, jump on that.” Same applies to “mega-typographical errors”

    Abagond also said (at least on paper, but since he’s deceitful it cannot be trusted):

    “[Colour-blind racists] rarely think of themselves as “white” and avoid saying the word “black” in public, even when they are thinking it. Their supposed colour-blindness is a front.”

    scribh aka lord of mirkwood said:

    “Identifying myself by race has been a very confusing thing for me. In the 2010 Census I marked, well, you-know-what because I didn’t know what else to do.”

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  462. on Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 18:27:29 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @resw

    Appealing to a narrow sense of Abagond’s words while simultaneously disparaging his integrity is a new low, even for you.

    I assume that you’re fine with Keystone XL. Now please tell me what your views are on corporate campaign contributions. Are corporations people? It’s a simple yes or no.

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  463. @”narrow sense of Abagond’s words”

    So “narrow” that Abagond has outright said you exemplify his “words” (at least before you two started campaigning together):

    “Lord of Mirkwood gave a perfect example of #4: Play up how racist the other side is.”

    scribh aka lord of mirkwood: “The divide in America among issues like Ferguson and police brutality in general is NOT black-white, it is red-blue. ”

    It’s sad how abagond went from pointing out his racism to defending it. It’s a good reminder of the dangers of supposed blacks like abagond allying with open racists like scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius.

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  464. on Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 19:37:32 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @resw

    I see you’re still hung up on the crazy theories about the DNC controlling this blog. So. Very. Pathetic.

    Corporate personhood…going once…going twice…

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  465. @abagond

    “Some of ASGM’s racism is textbook. Just off the top of my head:”

    +1000.

    It’s good to have the old abagond back. Time will tell if he stays.

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  466. @ ASG-M

    If you were serious about battling the Trumpsters, you would be holding forth on the alt-right blogs and subreddits, not fighting black people here who know more about racism and oppression and subjugation than you ever will — including some, like Taotesan, who aren’t even in the U.S. and therefore have nothing to do with Trump and the GOP you rail against.

    You have no substance. You’re nothing but a bully.

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  467. @ munubantu

    Thanks for linking to that Guardian article upthread about Black British citizens.

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/open-thread/#comment-367578

    I like how the author, David Olusoga, gave historical details like the ship that heralded the mass immigration of West Indians to the UK and what life was like for those immigrants from the 1950s to the 1980s. I knew it was rough, but Olusoga added so much terrifying detail, it felt like Alabama in the 1950s.

    ◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎◎

    munubantu, I have a question: What does having a Bantu identity and heritage mean to you?

    I have done some reading about Bantu language groups and the Bantu Expansion throughout Africa over the past 1500 years. I tend to think of the Bantu in the same way I think of Slavic people, Tamil people and Arab people; as people bound by language, culture and sometimes religion.

    What do you see as essential to a Bantu identity?

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  468. @ Afrofem

    I’ll try to answer your question about “a Bantu identity” later, maybe in multiple comments, because the question has multiple facets.
    It’s interesting that you see similarities in Bantu people, Slavic people, Tamil people and Arab people. Can I ask you which similarities do you see?

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  469. @munubantu

    To me, the similarities include people of widely varying ethnic groups, and in some cases, phenotypes classified under one broad language and cultural umbrella.

    I am aware of the multitude of dialects and cultural norms the various peoples under those umbrellas develop. On occasion, I have read about the various groups trying to determine who forms the center and who is on the margins.

    For example, under the Arab umbrella, the people in the Arab peninsula and the Levant seem to form the center, with the people of the Maghreb and the Sahel on the margins.

    With the Bantu people, the umbrella seems especially wide and amorphous. I haven’t done as much research on the Bantu people, other than cursory reading about the Bantu Expansion on the Continent. I am curious as to who forms the Bantu center and who is on the margins? Or are the Bantu groups so decentralized as to make that structure (center and margin) meaningless?

    I have to admit I am taking a shortcut by asking you about the Bantu people. I would like to learn more and will consider your observations a way of beginning more study and reading about this group of humans.

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  470. “It’s good to have the old abagond back. Time will tell if he stays.”

    Time’s up.

    I mean, giving a platform to an open anti-black bigot, Kiwi, to post something that ignores facts and sounds like something Bill O’Reilly wrote speaks volumes about this new abagond.

    At this point the best we can do is hope and pray for his recovery.

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  471. @munubantu

    Take your time; I look forward to reading your observations over the months to come.

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  472. on Wed 29 Mar 2017 at 18:02:28 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    I thought it would be interesting to share a copy of this email I just sent out (from my Scribh account, of course). It was addressed to The Mad Monarchist, a Texas-based blogger who supports reactionary and monarchist causes around the globe. He is someone who believes, for example, that the British were benevolent colonial masters, that the Japanese invaded China for its own good, and above all he constantly obsesses over “demographics,” hysterically claiming that European peoples are “disappearing” in the face of immigration. I decided to take him down a peg. The email was titled “Hypocrite and reprobate.”

    Dear Mad Monarchist,

    I just looked at your blog and saw this quote at the start of your post about Facebook:

    “No big deal, right? In the grand scheme of things, no, but it did infuriate me as the sort of petty tyranny common in tin-pot dictatorships.”

    Tyranny? Well, maybe it was a case of tyranny. I’d defer to your judgment in this case, since you’re the expert on all sorts of tyranny! As evidenced by your support for brutal imperialists in Japan and for far-right loyalist terrorist gangs in the North of Ireland, for the hyper-aristocratic slaveholders’ rebellion of the 1860s, for the Spanish Empire, for the ancien régime in France, for absolutism, for the Russian monarchist mass murderer who committed WAR CRIMES across Asia [Roman von Ungern-Sternberg, a true psychopath who serves as the mascot of this lunatic’s blog], your Québec-bashing…I could go on!

    Maybe “hypocrite” is the wrong word to describe you, since in other posts you have been blatant about your opposition to the equality of every human being. Maybe you’re just a flat-out depraved reprobate!

    On top of that, your apocalyptic rantings about the people of European countries “disappearing”, and your constant obsession with demographics, is not supported by the barest of facts! The population of the Netherlands is 78.3% ethnic Dutch; Germany is 79% ethnic Germans; Sweden is estimated to be 80% ethnic Swedish; Norway is 83.7% ethnic Norwegians; ethnic English are 79.8% of England; and so on. Poland is a whopping 93.52% Polish!! So, you see? Basic facts just don’t match up to your bullshit! I got those off of Wikipedia! Where did you get your numbers? Breitbart? InfoWars? That would go a long way towards explaining why you fumble around in a world of foggy untruths!

    I’m happy to be living in Burlington, Vermont. That way I can stay a safe 2,000 miles from ever having to meet your sorry posterior in person. [NOTE: Technically I’m not moving there until June, but he doesn’t need that information.]

    Best regards,

    AN SCRÍBHNEOIR GAEL-MHEIRICEÁNACH (the Irish-American writer)

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  473. @ An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    The British Empire was only a good thing for the British Aristocrats. But here is a former Indian ambassador reminding the snotty British just what their “great empire” was all about:

    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7CW7S0zxv4)

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  474. on Fri 31 Mar 2017 at 17:51:47 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @villagewriter

    Thanks for sharing the video. That is some great history by Dr. Tharoor. And he clearly has a sense of humor, too, like the best debaters – skewering and ironic. He also has a great career as a promoter of world peace and understanding between nations at the UN.

    The Mad Monarchist has this to say on the topic of the British Empire:

    It was, generally, well administered, pragmatic, moderate and profitable. The British Empire brought prosperity to many areas of the world, brought the benefits of civilization, modern technology and genuine progress to many corners of the globe that had previously known only darkness, and isolated stagnation.

    What a liar. Ireland, India, China, and Zimbabwe were great civilizations before the British even put ships on the sea. Not to mention that human beings are human beings and have the right to self-determination irrespective of whether they have been great civilizations or not.

    I don’t know what Britain can/should do in terms of monetary reparations to former colonies – and right now, the UK government should probably focus its finances on improving the lives of British people wrecked by neoliberalism and austerity. But they could definitely start by giving the Koh-i-Noor back to India. Mrs. Windsor has enough jewels as is.

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  475. on Fri 31 Mar 2017 at 18:29:29 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @villagewriter

    I have a comment to you in moderation, but long story short: thanks for sharing the video link. It was great.

    The Mad Monarchist has yet to respond to my email. I just sent him another one calling him a coward.

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  476. “It was, generally, well administered, pragmatic, moderate and profitable. The British Empire brought prosperity to many areas of the world, brought the benefits of civilization, modern technology and genuine progress to many corners of the globe that had previously known only darkness, and isolated stagnation.”

    If that were true, the British Empire would have squashed Nazi Germany like a bug. On paper it was the largest empire ever seen. In practice it could barely hold its own against Germany.

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  477. @Abagond

    Indeed, they needed the full strength of the U.S. and the USSR – plus European governments in exile and most of Latin America – to do it with them.

    On a related note, I don’t remember if this topic has been brought up on this blog before, but Hitler admired the British Empire and looked upon them as an inspiration for his “Master Race” and “Thousand-Year Reich” ideas. Not only that, but most British aristocrats admired the Nazis up to the time of World War II (and, truth be told, some kept those sentiments even during the war). This article from Vice Magazine provides a sordid assortment of some of these connections.

    https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/royal-family-nazi-salute-british-empire-history-fascism-832

    “…When the British aristocracy praised Hitler for standing up to Communism, it wasn’t because they were worried about being sent to a Siberian gulag. It was because fascism promised to violently suppress an insurgent working class.

    “The affection was mutual; Hitler himself was a great Anglophile and an admirer of the British Empire. The Nazis took careful lessons from Britain’s ability to administer a vast swathe of the globe with a relatively small group of clerks and soldiers, as well as its unflinching readiness to exercise mass genocidal violence whenever its rule was threatened. The British example was a major factor informing German policy in occupied eastern Europe. After all, among the great inventions of the British military, somewhere on the far side of the list from Teflon and radar, is the concentration camp.”

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  478. In large part it’s true that World War II was a contest between conservative, reactionary Axis powers and democratic, even left-leaning Allies (FDR’s America, the Soviets, many elements of the French Resistance), but that’s only if you ignore the leanings of Britain in the first half of the war.

    Fittingly enough, it was probably the war against Hitler, more than anything, that moved British politics to the left, leading to the creation of the UK’s expansive welfare state by the post-1945 Labour government. In this sense, the Allied victory in World War II could be interpreted as a victory over the old aristocratic elements of Britain, as much as it was a victory over Hitler. Especially since those two beasts were so closely intertwined.

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  479. LOM said,

    “In large part it’s true that World War II was a contest between conservative, reactionary Axis powers and democratic, even left-leaning Allies”

    So WW2 was a battle between conservatism and liberals lol.

    Both Hitler and Mussolini were democratically elected Socialists that embraced nationalism.

    Stalin ruled from 1924 to 1952 and is directly responsible for the deaths of 30 to 40 million people. Stalin invented the deep State.

    George Orwell was writing about Stalinism.

    WW2 was a world War between white people over who which white people were going to control the world’s resources.

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  480. @ michaeljonbarker

    “WW2 was a world War between white people over who which white people were going to control the world’s resources.”

    So true!

    1984 made that clear. Which portion of the Global North, specifically.

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  481. @michaeljonbarker

    Mussolini was only democratically elected if you really torture the meaning of the phrase. After the coup in Italy in 1922, the Fascists passed the Acerbo Law, designed to rig future elections in their favor:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acerbo_Law

    Moreover, in the 1924 election, the Fascists used intimidation to achieve victory. By the time the 1934 election rolled around, there weren’t even opposing candidates (it was instead presented as a “referendum” for or against Mussolini), and Mussolini’s government got 99.84% of the votes. Really? I’m not buying that that’s “democratic.” It looks like the Fascists used some dodgy tactics:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_general_election,_1934

    As for Hitler, the National Socialists in Germany won 38% of the vote in July 1932 and 33% in December. That gave them pluralities but was by no means a ringing endorsement by Germans, and did not get Hitler to the position of chancellor. What got him there was President von Hindenburg appointing him in January 1933 after a lot of smoke-filled-room dealing and skullduggery between unscrupulous politicians. That’s not “democratic.” There was an election after the Reichstag Fire where Hitler did get another plurality, but let’s see what happened there. For weeks, N@zi th u gs had been breaking up Social Democratic assemblies and beating the attendees senseless; the Hitler government had banned Social Democratic newspapers (and newspapers of the Centre Party). Just days before the election, Hitler used the Reichstag Fire to suspend most civil liberties for Germans and then arrest the Communist leader, Ernst Thälmann. That’s not a fair, democratic election. And even with all that, the National Socialists only got a little under 44% of the vote. That’s not a democratic endorsement.

    I also disagree that the Fascist leaders were socialists. Hitler started his career, as I’ve mentioned, by censoring, arresting, and physically attacking actual leftists in Germany. The first concentration camp, Dachau, was established in 1933 to use left-wing dissidents as slave labor.

    The “Hitler was actually a socialist” line is most often used by right-wingers to attack progressives and the Democratic Party. Don’t buy it.

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  482. From RationalWiki article on Hitler and socialism:

    An entirely US-centric argument, spurred on by certain batty ideologues and infamous websites, claims that Adolf Hitler was not the far-right, anti-communist nationalist that everyone else remembers him to be, but rather an egalitarian socialist. Much like the Discovery Institute and their assault on the theory of evolution, this attempts to evoke the association fallacy on anyone who practices left-wing politics, and by that standard, anyone who slightly leans to the left is an adherent of fascism…

    For this argument to be even close to being solvent (fans of Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, we’re looking at you), good chunks of history need to be thrown out the window:

    That the 96-member Social Democratic Party of Germany was Hitler’s main opposition in the Reichstag, and the only political party that attempted to halt the laws that established him as dictator and brought down the Weimar Republic. In fact, all of the ideological predecessors of today’s conservative and classically liberal parties voted unanimously for the law, while the SPD voted unanimously against despite the presence of SA ‘guards’ in the building.

    That the first political groups targeted during the Nazi ascendancy were pacifists, trade unionists, and communists;

    That the Strasserites, the only strand of Nazism that could be referred to as left-wing (ie. pro-working class in nature), were all killed off (with a handful of conservative dissidents) in what we all know as the Night of the Long Knives.
    We’re waiting…

    Not only did Hitler make clear he wanted to eradicate the Bolsheviks and any elements of Communism on the planet, every type of leftie on earth, from the Soviets to the British Labour Party to George Orwell, saw the Nazis as bad news. Nonetheless, because Stalin wanted to consolidate power in the government, he adopted the all-or-nothing “social fascist” policy; as a result, across Europe and Asia, the German Communist Party spent more time demonizing moderate dissidents as fascists (sound familiar?), rather than the actual Nazis who were keen to murder them all as soon as humanly possible. Trotsky, of course, called this point, but like almost everybody else in the 1920s thought of Hitler more as a cranky tool of German business interests than a genuinely sociopathic authoritarian that could manage to get enough political support. It was only into the tumultuous ’30s, and later, the liberation of the extermination camps in Eastern Europe that the Allies realized who they had really been up against.

    After Hitler banned the SPD they worked against him in exile (as “Sopade”) and wrote the “Prague Manifesto,” which called for the overthrow of Adolf Hitler.[11] Yep, sounds like they got along just fine.

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  483. A few years ago, white “liberals” couldn’t help pointing out that white “right wingers” loved comparing Obama to Hitler.

    Now it’s white liberals like scribh aka lord of mirkwood who just can’t stop comparing people with whom they disagree to Hitler.

    Despite scribh aka lord of mirkwood’s opinions, his fuhrer made it clear that he was a socialist and that nationalism and socialism go hand in hand:

    “You cannot be a true nationalist without also being a socialist; you others cannot be true socialists without also being nationalists.

    To be a nationalist means loving one’s own people more than all others, and worker to be sure that it can hold its own among them. If this people to hold its own against the rest of the world, I must wish and work for the health of each member, to see that things go as well as possible for each individual, and therefore the whole. But then I AM A SOCIALIST!”

    Whether you agree with him or not, that’s what he thought of himself and that’s what he projected onto the electorate. So that’s why scribh aka lord of mirkwood has to quote a tertiary source whose

    “Decisions are made by the will of whoever shows up and does stuff” -RationalWiki.

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  484. on Mon 3 Apr 2017 at 18:37:59 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    From Thought Co: “Was Adolf Hitler a Socialist? Debunking a Historical Myth.”

    Richard Evans, in his magisterial three volume history of Nazi Germany, is quite clear on whether Hitler was a socialist: “…it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth of, socialism.” (The Coming of the Third Reich, Evans, p. 173). Not only was Hitler not a socialist himself, nor a communist, but he actually hated these ideologies and did his utmost to eradicate them. At first this involved organizing bands of thugs to attack socialists in the street, but grew into invading Russia, in part to enslave the population and earn ‘living ‘ room for Germans, and in part to wipe out communism and ‘Bolshevism’…

    When Hitler came to power he attempted to dismantle trade unions and the shell that remained loyal to him; he supported the actions of leading industrialists, actions far removed from socialism which tends to want the opposite. Hitler used the fear of socialism and communism as a way of terrifying middle and upper class Germans into supporting him. Workers were targeted with slightly different propaganda, but these were promises simply to earn support, to get into power, and then to remake the workers along with everyone else into a racial state. There was to be no dictatorship of the proletariat as in socialism; there was just to be the dictatorship of the Fuhrer.

    The belief that Hitler was a socialist seems to have emerged from two sources: the name of his political party, the National Socialist German Worker’s Party, or Nazi Party, and the early presence of socialists in it…

    Before 1934 some in the party did promote anti-capitalist and socialist ideas, such as profit-sharing, nationalization and old-age benefits, but these were merely tolerated by Hitler as he gathered support, dropped once he secured power and often later executed, such as Gregor Strasser. There was no socialist redistribution of wealth or land under Hitler – although some property changed hands thanks to looting and invasion – and while both industrialists and workers were courted, it was the former who benefitted and the latter who found themselves the target of empty rhetoric.

    Indeed, Hitler became convinced that socialism was intimately connected to his even more long standing hatred – the Jews – and thus hated it even more. Socialists were the first to be locked up in concentration camps.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/was-adolf-hitler-a-socialist-1221367

    The whole thing is a good read.

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  485. Thanks for providing someone else’s OPINION, not a primary source, as I’ve done. The fact is your fuhrer called himself a socialist and campaigned on being a socialist, just like someone else I know named Bernie Sanders.

    So apply the same standard to your crush, who said, “I am a socialist”:

    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_QLek6Qvzg)

    Yet “he supported the actions of leading industrialists” like the gun manufacturers, and has no plans to replace capitalism with socialism.

    That doesn’t sound socialist to me. And many real socialists would agree despite what Sanders calls himself and projects onto the electorate.

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  486. @ An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    I thought so too. Hitler did not call for ownership of means of production by workers (Socialism) nor advocate for government takeover of all means of production (Communism). He was pushed into power by very wealthy elites. The man was not socialist or communist at all.

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  487. @villagewriter

    Exactly. There’s a reason that socialists and fascists are still ideologically polar. Hitler murdering leftists throughout his tenure might have had something to do with it, as well.

    And now we have a troll attempting to compare Bernie Sanders to the aforementioned German dictator. Shocking and sad. Especially since so much of Sanders’s family was exterminated in the Holocaust.

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  488. The facts are the facts. I can’t help that they expose scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius’ and his ilk’s double standard.

    And scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius has compared more people to Hitler than anyone on this blog. In fact, he obsessively talks about him far more than anyone else on this blog.

    He does it so much to deflect from his own racism, which were thoroughly demonstrated above.

    Abagond calls it his “Racist Uncles: It is always someone else who is racist – Hitler, the Klan, the South, the 1950s, their uncle – but never them. How strange!”

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  489. on Tue 4 Apr 2017 at 17:45:45 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @resw

    Now, with the historical facts discrediting your viewpoint, you go in for the ad hominems – a good old accusation of racism. It’s a pity you have nothing to back it up.

    How do you account for the assault and murder of Social Democrats and Communists by the brownshirts? How do you account for the use of leftist Germans as slave labor in the first concentration camps? How about the well-documented animus that Hitler held towards Bolshevism and the Soviet Union, from the time he wrote Mein Kampf?

    You sure sound like a right-winger. As I’ve already said, “Hitler was actually a liberal/socialist” is a favorite talking point of FOX News Republicans (that rare breed of conservatives that still views Hitler as evil). What do you hope to gain out of repeating it?

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  490. @scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius

    “Now, with the historical facts discrediting your viewpoint, you go in for the ad hominems”

    Unfortunately for you, nothing I said was discredited. Certainly not by you.

    And as usual, you were the first to use “ad hominems” (N.B.: your comment is still there for everyone to see).

    “You sure sound like a right-winger. As I’ve already said, “Hitler was actually a liberal/socialist” is a favorite talking point of FOX News Republicans”

    Funny since I never said anything of the sort. All I did was I quote both of your heroes and appropriately call you out on your hypocrisy and double standard.

    Try harder next time.

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  491. I forgot to LMFAO @ “a good old accusation of racism. It’s a pity you have nothing to back it up.”

    As you know, I’ve backed up my claims of your racism several times on this thread.

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  492. Sorry to come in off topic: I think it was Afrofem who recently posted a link to a podcast or webinar related to internet privacy, surveillance, etc. And An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiricéanach posted immediately afterwards with a reference to the related U.P.D.A.T.E. acronym.

    I’ve checked multiple posts, but I can’t find the comment with the link. Hopefully I’m not losing my mind – if anyone knows what I’m talking about and can share the post that has that link, I would greatly appreciate it. Many thanks.

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  493. Here you go, Raven. Afrofem’s comments, which introduced Dr. Marc Goodman’s ideas, are here, and mine is below hers:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2006/12/11/republican/#comment-368394

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  494. An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiricéanach:
    Ah, the Republican post – I never would have checked there! Thanks a bunch for replying, I really appreciate it. Have a great day/evening!

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  495. @Herneith

    I left home late this morning after reading that article. Infuriating, yet routine.

    Wealth, education and stupid driving were all eclipsed by race as a determinant for auto insurance.

    The long string of “official” denials from the states, insurance companies and the commenters at Propublica were an indication that the authors struck pay dirt with this article.

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  496. @Herneith

    Wow, excellent article. Thanks.

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  497. According to the New York Times, the US struck Syria with 50 cruise missiles. They hit an air base about an hour ago:

    (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/world/middleeast/us-said-to-weigh-military-responses-to-syrian-chemical-attack.html)

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  498. Welp, it didn’t take our new isolationist America First president very long to start lobbing bombs at the Middle East.

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  499. @ Solitaire

    At least the War Witch is not president, she who was going to drag us into Syria and thereby WW3. We dodged the bullet on that one!

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  500. On the strike of US military on Syria I must say that, not putting aside my doubts about Trump in general, I agree with his decision this time. Third World dictators oft show a total disregard for human life and, unless a superior power (superior to their own power) intervenes they feel free to do their dirty acts.
    I’m not naive and I can see the context:

    Assad is confronting a vicious and persistent enemy who doesn’t shy to cover himself in the midst of the civilian population and from there attack governmental positions, so Assad decided that in order to kill his enemy he wouldn’t shy himself to gas and kill even the civilians around; and this is the point where I draw the line: to kill so many civilians and in a such a barbaric way is not acceptable; not for me, anyway; this contrasts to drone attacks which appear to me to be reasonably selective (I’m fully aware that in this blog this is not exactly a popular position, but it’s my position anyway) in the sense that the ratio between killed civilians and enemy combatants is kept to a minimum, in the case of drone attacks; wars are oft messy business but even them are subject to some rules;
    Trump launched this attack in a moment when he was receiving a state visit by the Chinese President and with the North Korean affair on the agenda one can suspect that he wanted to score some political point: warn the Chinese that unless they act to control their “rogue” smaller brother (=North Korea), he will feel free to act against him the way he feel fit; so the missile attack can be interpreted also as a message; but, I repeat, in my mind, humanitarian considerations of the case are more important than the “context” that could explain away or minimize the merit of Trump’s decision;
    It has been said that Trump was apparently a Russian Trojan horse in the midst of American political life and that would explain his friendliness to them; this missile attack he ordered against Assad, who is backed by the Russians, will be a decisive test to that hypothesis; even a casual observer can now sense that some frictions are growing between Trump and Putin after the attack; let’s way and see what comes out of the whole episode;
    This Trumps’s act also underscores a fate of many American Presidents: they can come with a strong Peace agenda (Obama came also 8 years ago wanting to withdraw from or remain outside foreign conflicts… remember?) but the harsh reality of world affairs at some point will get them. Let’s see how the peaceful profile Trump painted of himself will remain or not.

    Only some thoughts…

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  501. Sorry, where is:

    Let’s way and see…

    should be:

    Let’s wait and see…

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  502. on Fri 7 Apr 2017 at 14:58:30 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    I’m going on the record now: STOP THIS WAR. I am completely opposed. It is 1898 all over again. I think this is a horrible decision by Trump, in line with my general pacifist convictions. I am certainly not going to be volunteering for military service (not that I would have anyway). If the draft is ever reinstated, I would much rather put myself in exile in Montréal than ever pick up a firearm.

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  503. @”According to the New York Times, the US struck Syria with 50 cruise missiles. They hit an air base about an hour ago”

    Put into perspective, McCain took a secret trip to “rebel-held part of northern Syria” in February 2017 and has since been drumming the beat of striking Assad.

    These are the same “rebels” McCain is on record acknowledging the US armed a few years ago.

    A “chemical attack” happens in “rebel-held part of northern Syria” and everyone blames Assad, not the “rebels”, with no evidence.

    McCain is running his mouth everywhere today, saying things like the attack is “eight years in the making.”

    And this NYT article has propaganda written all over it with statements like, “Fighting terrorism was Mr. Putin’s stated goal when he dispatched the Russian military to Syria in September 2015, though its main effect has been to shore up Mr. Assad”.

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  504. *beating the drum, lol

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  505. “A “chemical attack” happens in “rebel-held part of northern Syria” and everyone blames Assad, not the “rebels”, with no evidence.”

    I noticed that too.

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  506. @Herneith

    Thanks for the link. I loved how ProPublica refuted the Insurance industry falsehoods point by point. This passage struck me:

    “While the industry criticizes ProPublica and Consumer Reports for not using company-specific data, such as individual insurers’ losses in each zip code, it does not make this information available. If the industry would release it, we would welcome the opportunity to take a look and continue the conversation.”

    https://www.propublica.org/article/the-car-insurance-industry-attacks-our-story-our-response/

    In fact, ProPublica and Consumer Reports were forced to use state data because the insurance industry is so secretive. Then they have the gall to criticize the report for not using insurance company data. Sounds like the types of racist deflections we see everyday online and offline.

    This image shows what happens everyday to Black people with all industries:

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  507. Otherwise known as the Black Tax.

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  508. Folks, I am sitting here eating left over beef stew mixed in with left-over basmati rice! Delicious! I had to share!

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  509. I have leftover basmati rice and leftover palak paneer waiting for me in the fridge.

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  510. Not a fan of palak paneer, too rich for me. However, I can vacuum up a plate of curried chicken and basmati rice! I had some at an Indian restaurant on Thursday evening. It’s a good thing curry can be prepared in so many ways!

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  511. on Sat 8 Apr 2017 at 19:08:11 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    Aloo Gobi cauliflower is to die for.

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  512. I have yet to come across a vegetarian Indian dish that I don’t like, but Palak Paneer is my all-time favorite. I do prefer it not to be really oily, though.

    I hate green peas, but I will eat them no problem in Daal or Mattar Paneer.

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  513. The one time I went to England, I learned real fast to order the curry! That and the plowman’s lunch were about the only things edible on most menus.

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  514. Don’t forget Saag Paneer with a cool cucumber raita and some crispy pappadum on the side.

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  515. This poor woman was the victim of the Perpetual Foreigner stereotype: [https://www.facebook.com/SteveKuzj/videos/1287265758020185/]

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  516. a victim – undoubtedly not the only one

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  517. Don’t have to wait too long for another incident to hit the national (or in this case, international) news.

    I was just wondering if people here thought that there was any element of racial profiling in the targeting of passengers to be bumped from the United Airlines Chicago –> Louisville flight and the subsequent the beating and forced removal by police.

    Social media in HK is abuzz with this today and most seem to think so.

    But I read it is also the #1 trending item both on twitter in the USA and the #1 trending item on Chinese weibo. Offering a coupon for a free flight would have cost a couple hundred dollars (I gave up a seat on an overbooked flight once for that). But recovering from this PR disaster could cost tens of millions. UA can no longer effectively use the catch phrase that they have the most number of direct flights from the USA to China on any airline.

    UA’s CEO did not directly apologize for the incident, but rather for inconvenience that the action caused. faux pas on top of faux pas.

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  518. @ jefe

    I will be doing a post on this later today.

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  519. @jefe

    “I was just wondering if people here thought that there was any element of racial profiling in the targeting of passengers to be bumped from the United Airlines Chicago –> Louisville flight and the subsequent the beating and forced removal by police.”

    No.

    But I’d love to know how you came up with that conclusion.

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  520. And did I miss the “beating” on the video?

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  521. @resw

    No.

    Thank you for sharing your opinion.

    I didn’t come up with that conclusion whatsoever. That is why I was asking. Why did you assume that I came up with any conclusion at all?

    I asked it because I noticed that social media in HK was abuzz with this in the past 24 hours and some of them mentioned this as a factor. Some simply said that UA is renowned for poor service.

    And not only social media in HK, but also mainstream media in the USA mentioned that the victim implied that racial targeting was a factor, as has twitter in the USA and tens of millions of weibo users in China. Millions have come up with this conclusion. I did not form the conclusion, but was wondering if anyone thought race was a factor or not.

    However, even if race played no factor at all, it is almost beside the point, as the perception has been affected, particularly as the airline carrier touting itself as the one with the most US china direct flights. I am now waiting for them to offer half-price roundtrip tickets from HK to NY. I took my last trip to DC from HK on United (although some segments were codeshares on Japanese carriers).

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  522. Interesting that the Louisville Courier-Journal did some digging and found out that Dr. Dao had a criminal record, a prior arrest record on drug-related offenses in 2004.

    David Dao, passenger removed from United flight, a doctor with troubled past
    http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2017/04/11/david-dao-passenger-removed-united-flight-doctor-troubled-past/100318320/

    Apparently some interested party is seeing if they can somehow vilify the victim. I think at this point it is not going to be enough to save United’s stock prices or the boycott backlash.

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  523. Another observation:

    2 of the officers removing the passenger were black men, including the one that dragged him out. If UA cannot vilify the victim, I wonder if they will try to vilify the “perpetrators”.

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  524. “Why did you assume that I came up with any conclusion at all?”

    Because you asked about “racial profiling” in the same sentence that you invented the claim that a “beating” had occurred and then ended your post by noting United’s lack of apology, as if something wrong had occurred. You even labeled it as “faux pas on top of faux pas” but now expect me to think you haven’t reached “any conclusion at all”?

    Please.

    And do you have the video of the “beating” because I can’t seem to find it? And if United committed a “faux pas”, what was it?

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  525. @ Jefe

    From what I have read, United did offer vouchers, first $400 each and then $800, but got no takers. They were authorized to go up to $1000 but instead chose at that point to remove passengers. Supposedly they used a computer program to randomly select the passengers to be removed. The airline does have a right to do this, but United has also issued a statement that the subsequent incident did not follow standard operating procedure (without details on the exact deviations from SOP).

    They were trying to make room for 4 United employees who had to work in Kentucky the next day. As the Chicago Tribune pointed out (links below), this presumably meant United had other options, like putting the employees on a different flight. It’s possible, though, that the employees had to meet certain FAA regulations about amount of sleep between work periods and needed to leave right then.

    It’s difficult to imagine that United would have treated a 69-year-old white man who identified himself as a physician in the same brutal manner, but perhaps they would have. They certainly had other options, though, such as accepting his reasons for needing to stay on the flight and moving on to the next name on the computer-generated list.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-united-drags-passenger-0411-biz-20170410-story.html

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-united-airlines-doctor-dragged-leggings-edit-20170410-story.html

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  526. @Solitaire,

    This might sound a bit off topic, but this is one of the reasons I wish the USA had a high-speed rail system. I am sure the airline industry must be lobbying hard against it, but it would solve a lot of these short-medium haul transportation bottlenecks.

    Imagine if we had a high speed line from Chicago to Atlanta (via Indianapolis, Louisville, Nashville, Chattanooga), Louisville is only 290 miles from chicago, which could be reached in 2 hrs. via high speed rail. But instead, everyone is forced into going through airports. There are few other options.

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  527. @ Jefe

    The oil companies and auto manufacturers might also be lobbying against it. We have a critical dearth of public transportation options in the US, not just the lack of high-speed trains but even regular passenger trains, city bus services, etc.

    I was rushing earlier and made a couple mistakes above. I just corrected one (the attribution of the SOP quote) in a comment on Abagond’s “United Airlines Flight 3411” post.

    The other mistake: the article quoted a passenger as saying they were offered vouchers of $400 and $800, then United as saying they offered $1000. I misread that to mean $1000 was the limit that the United officials were authorized to offer; in fact, I don’t know what the ceiling was.

    And not exactly a mistake but a clarification: the information about the “volunteers” being chosen by computer seems to be what one passenger says they were told. United has said the passengers who were removed were chosen randomly, but to the best of my knowledge United has not specified to the press exactly how that random selection was made. I also have yet to find any mention of the races of the other three passengers who were “re-accomodated.”

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  528. I would love high-speed rail for America. I’d really love to never have to drive at all, actually.

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  529. @Solitaire,

    I have many big beefs about the PRC, but one great thing they have done is connected the country with high speed rail. Last November I took the high speed train from Shenzhen to Chaoshan (a station centrally located between Chaozhou, Shantou and Jieyang in eastern Guangdong province). The distance is about 340km/ 215mi, or approximately the distance from New York to DC or Boston. It took 90 minutes nonstop (or about 2hr. 10 mins. with multiple stops). The bus ride takes 5 1/2 hours.
    I have also traveled several times from Kaohsiung to Taipei and back. The distance is also similar and it takes 1 hr. 45 mins. by high speed train and 4 hrs. by bus on the expressways.

    This has all been done in the past 5-10 years.

    As someone who has traveled often between DC/NYC/Boston dozens of times, I would love to have that option on the east coast. DC –> Boston is almost in a straight line and about 60 million people live within 1 hr. of that line. (by comparison, Taiwan only has 23 million, roughly similar to greater New York city, yet it has frequent high speed rail service.

    There are also many other logical routes in the USA, eg,
    San Diego via LA to SF / Sacramento
    DC to Miami (down the seaboard via Charleston, Savannah, jacksonville) and to New Orleans via Raleigh/Charlotte/Atlanta/Birmingham.
    Minneapolis to Chicago to Atlanta to Orlando/Miami via Indianapolis, Louisville, Nashville, Chattanooga).
    Chicago to New York (many routes possible).
    Las Vegas to Los Angeles.

    Besides the airlines, oil companies and auto makers, there is big pushback from states which would not be served by high speed rail. They do not want federal money going to those states that would benefit.

    18-19 years ago, China only had two urban mass transit systems in Beijing and Shanghai (and maybe Tianjin, I believe), and they were not that extensive. Now that have 28 systems operational and more to come into operation in the years to come. Shanghai now has more miles of track than New York City.

    In comparison, no new system has been started in the USA since 1993 (LA).

    Of course, I have also been on several systems in Japan too. They have been advanced for many decades already.

    I have the experience of living in DC / NY / Boston before (as well as many visits to SF), so I figured out how to get by without a car, but there are very few places to do that in the USA. so sad. Everywhere else, I have to rent cars.

    There are some ways that the USA seems so backward compared to other countries. Its transportation system is one. And I read they will eliminate most of the remaining long haul passenger train lines.

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  530. @ Jefe

    “there is big pushback from states which would not be served by high speed rail. They do not want federal money going to those states that would benefit.”

    Unfortunately, this seems to be a common attitude in the U.S. I’ve lived in towns that desperately needed extended city bus hours and routes — where night-shift workers in the retail, restaurant, and hotel industries, in hospitals and factories, were often walking to and from work at 3 a.m. on narrow roads with no sidewalks. And it never ceased to amaze me how many people were opposed to extending the bus service because it would come out of their taxes but they personally would never use the bus, so they didn’t see why they should have to pay.

    We are a selfish nation filled with people who will squeal loudly if some tax-funded thing they use and/or enjoy is threatened but will vehemently oppose any tax-funded thing they have no personal use for.

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  531. Also a good public transportation system has basically only positive effects within cities. Due to less cars there is more space (no parking lots) and less pollution (both air and noise). It also increases educational and employment opportunities for those who can’t afford cars.
    Once it works and is kept up to a certain standard of puncuality and cleanliness it also is well liked by those who have do pay for it and have other options. Not to be stuck in traffic every day increases qualitiy of life.

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  532. Have you seen that Stepin Fetchicit 2.0 movie “Get Out” ? Its everything wrong with black buppie movie-making. Armond White warned us that this Sambo foolishness was going to be rehabilitated over 10 years ago.

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  533. on Fri 14 Apr 2017 at 21:47:28 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    Hymn for Good Friday: My Song is Love Unknown, sung by the choir of King’s College in Cambridge, England.

    (https://youtu.be/HMart4wXsI0)

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  534. @Jefe/Solitare

    California has a high speed rail project that’s expected to cost anywhere from 60 to 80 billion to build.

    The cost comes in twice as high as China’s construction of of high speed rail but wages are considerably higher here as well as real estate and mountain terrain to build through.

    There has been some controversy over the project with “pay for play” construction companies lobbying heavily for exclusive contracts. A French company who has actually built high speed rail has been excluded from the bidding process.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail

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  535. @abagond

    When I saw this photo, I thought it looked like something you’d use as a masthead picture: http://d279m997dpfwgl.cloudfront.net/wp/2016/07/27_phillis-wheatley02-.jpg

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  536. @MJB,

    California is about the only place where HSR may have a chance. It is because it is entirely within one state,will not rely upon the US Congress to appropriate funds nor the cooperation of other states’ legislatures, and can be laid in areas that do not require extensive refitting of existing track.

    By contrast, the Northeast corridor has so many restrictions regarding large portions of its track over bridges and tunnels which have a history of use over 100 years, or over 150 years in some cases. Refitting the East Coast would require extensive upgrading, even rerouting of track and no one is willing to pay for that, particularly the states not in that corridor.

    DC Boston needs HSR badly, but I don’t see how it could ever happen.

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  537. @ Paige

    Thanks!

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  538. @Paige: That is a beautiful sculpture thanks suggesting Abagond use it as a masthead.

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  539. @ abagond

    You’re welcome! I feel honored!

    @ Mary Burrell

    No problem! The sculpture depicts the Bostonian poet Phillis Wheatley. It’s part of a women’s memorial in Back Bay, near Newbury Street.

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  540. @ abagond

    Are you going to do a post on the Chechnyan gay torture centers?

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  541. @Solitaire

    As I survey the U.S. and the various secessionist movements that exist therein, I find myself completely opposed to all of them. First there are the secessionist movements in the red states – there’s the racist neo-Confederacy the nature of which we all know, the ultra-conservative Texas separatists, and the straight-up Hitlerians who want some sort of Northwest Aryan homeland. So none of those win any points with me. When it comes to blue states, I am opposed to the secession of them because for every blue state that leaves, we lose a great deal of progressives. I oppose Hawaiian secessionists, Vermont secessionists, and the disastrous “Calexit” idea all on this principle. I want more blue states in the country, not fewer. Better to have a pluralistic republic, and fight to make it more liberal, than a collection of mini-dictatorships around the continent.

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  542. @ Scribh

    What if all of New England banded together and became its own country? (… or at least most of it, since I’m pretty sure some towns up north speak French and are probably more loyal to Montreal/Quebec than to Boston/NE, and also I think some towns in southwestern Connecticut are more loyal to New York City/the mid-Atlantic. On the other hand, we might gain some land from upstate New York.)

    I’m not advocating for a Nexit or whatever right now, but it’s interesting to think about. I’m sick of the deadlocks and warmongering in Washington, as well as the corruption of Wall Street and New York politicians like Trump and Hillary. I would love if we could have a country run by people like Bernie and Elizabeth.

    Every NE state is more liberal than average (the majority of them are in the top ten). NE is geographically larger than “Old” England and has a higher population than 69 percent of the world’s countries do. Its GDP is greater than that of about 92 percent of countries. Most NE states rank in the top ten for educational attainment and academic proficiency. The region’s unemployment rate is lower than that of the US as a whole. Massachusetts and New Hampshire were rated the two best states by USA Today, and the rest of NE ranked between #10 and #21 (they used 60 different kinds of data to determine the rankings).

    We would have to maintain friendly relations with the US, of course. I’d hate to be on the receiving end of a “military action” or be cut off from the farms of the Midwest.

    What if New England and Quebec broke off from their respective countries and formed some kind of alliance? I like to imagine the possibilities. It could be called the Evergreen Alliance, because of the tall white pines that are abundant in both regions (the old New England flag depicted one). Other possible names would be the Atlantic Alliance (since both regions border the ocean) and the North Star Nation (since both are in the northern part of the continent).

    Probably none of that will ever happen, but you never know with the way the political scene has been going…

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  543. @Paige

    (Sorry, this comment is going to be long and rambling…please stick with me to the end!)

    Thanks for sharing your ideas. I find a lot to like in them. The better part of me views New England as being the best of America, by virtue of our egalitarian and liberal politics and history, and thinks that we can do more good influencing goings-on in the preeminent world power than going it alone. Also, I have to admit that there is something cool about living in the same country as the Grand Canyon, the Redwood Forests, the Grand Teton, etc. I like the “cosmopolitan model” of U.S. society that views the presence of many diverse groups – Yankees, Irish Catholics, Jews, Caucasian Southerners, black Southerners, Native Americans, Chinese Americans, Puerto Ricans, Hawaiians – as something in which to take pride. Additionally, Bernie says that progressives have to operate on a 50-state basis, and his trips to West Virginia, Kentucky, and Mississippi have showed that, if given some pushing, social democracy could possibly blossom, even there.

    However, I think Colin Woodard was right when he wrote about North America really being 11 nations. The way I see it, the cultures of New England and the Deep South are irreconcilable. We in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont have very little, if anything, in common with Alabamians or Mississippians. This is tough for me to say since there are many Southern musicians (Jason Isbell, Lyle Lovett) and writers (Faulkner, Hurston) whom I love. Social democracy can blossom in the South, but I don’t think it can come from Southern culture; New Englanders, West Coasters, and even non-Americans are going to have to be agitating for change. In my view, New England can either try to influence the South, and turn it into the best version of itself, or simply cut off all dealings with the cesspool.

    While I currently support the unity of the United States, I could be persuaded to vote for an independent New England if a sufficient separatist case presented itself to me. I’m down with Irish and Scottish nationalism thanks to my ancestral history. But another part of the reason why I so love Sinn Féin and the Scottish National Party is their left-wing slant. I could be persuaded to vote for an independent New England if I thought we risked becoming completely irrelevant and powerless in America, if there were a clear plan for post-independence governance and nation-building in place – one that involved real social democracy. If these conditions were met, I would be one of the most fervent partisans of the independence movement in the region. And if Bernie were on board, it would be no questions asked for me. Honestly, I think an independent New England would look a lot like Norway or Sweden – down to the fishing-based economic and culinary scene!

    Re: Connecticut: there is a very small portion of the state which consists of rich douchebags more oriented towards New York than New England. Those people live in coastal towns in Fairfield County: Fairfield, Westport, Darien, Greenwich (yuck, I almost barfed just writing those locality names). The Nutmeggers who live in New Haven and to the east, such as New London County, are much more New Englander, and don’t really like Fairfield County all that much. Yet let’s be careful here. I don’t think Fairfield County should be excluded from an independent New England. Once you get off the beaches and into the interior towns, it’s a very New England feel.

    Re: Québec: I love Québec. Love it passionately. If New England separated from the U.S. and Québec separated from Canada, and the two new nations decided to merge into one, I would be totally on board. English and French would be the two official languages and the capital could be either Burlington or Montréal (or maybe there could be more than one capital, like South Africa).

    I’d like to hear more from you. What do you think an independent New England (or Nouvelle-Frangleterre) should look like?

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  544. @ ASG-M

    So you see no difference between Vermont secessionists and Hawaiian secessionists?

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  545. @Solitaire

    No. Do you? Both Vermont and Hawaii used to be independent nations that now are not.

    Vermont secessionists are a fringe bunch. Especially since elements among them started consorting with neo-Confederates. They all say it’s a strictly tactical alliance and that beyond separation from the U.S. they share no ideological goals, but it all smells fishy to me. I’m not a fan.

    I must admit I do not know much about the politics of Hawaiian secessionists. Does the greater part of the movement want to restore the monarchy? If so, my nose turns up big-time.

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  546. While we’re doing the Vermont-Hawaii comparisons, I must say it’s interesting that they are probably the two most liberal states in the country – at least by voter self-identification.

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  547. @ ASG-M

    “No. Do you? Both Vermont and Hawaii used to be independent nations that now are not.”

    Yes, I do. The differences are immense.

    Unlike Vermont, Hawaii was an independent nation of non-white indigenous people. Unlike Vermont, the Hawaiian government was unlawfully overthrown by white Americans with assistance from the U.S. military.

    Hawaiian secession is an indigenous movement of Native Hawaiians, not the wider population of the state. It is intertwined with issues of sovereignty and federal recognition of Native Hawaiians.

    Unlike Native American nations, Native Hawaiians have no treaties with the federal government and no legal recognition as a sovereign nation. As bad as Native Americans have it, most do have tribal governments (and sometimes tribal police, courts, etc.) recognized by the federal government. Native Hawaiians do not have even this much autonomy.

    The movement is two-pronged. Some would be satisfied just to get the same amount of sovereignty as the Native American tribes on the mainland. Others see this as only the first step towards regaining ownership and control of the land that was forcibly stolen from them and are working towards the end goal of the (re)establishment of a separate nation ruled by and for the indigenous people.

    Perhaps some comparison to Ireland comes to mind?

    “Does the greater part of the movement want to restore the monarchy? If so, my nose turns up big-time.”

    The movement is divided between those who want a republic and those who want a restoration of their constitutional monarchy. I don’t know which idea has more support. Although I’m not a fan of royalty and monarchies, I think this is up to the Native Hawaiians to decide among themselves. From what I gather, this is a secondary issue to their main goal, which is to get their land back.

    “I must admit I do not know much about the politics of Hawaiian secessionists.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_sovereignty_movement

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  548. @ Scribh

    I agree with much of your post. Like you, I think NE is the best region in the US (actually, it’s the only clearly-defined one). I do have warm feelings toward Northern California, particularly San Francisco (which I view as being sort of the Boston of the West Coast, with LA being the equivalent of NYC) – even if Zuckerberg does find the Bay Area too flighty and short-sighted. I see the value of New England staying and influencing the US for now, but like you, I could be swayed toward secession depending on future events.

    I too enjoy the diversity of American culture and climate. However, I can also appreciate many nations that I don’t belong to, so I don’t consider being an American necessary for enjoying Hawaiian culture or the Grand Canyon or whatever. In a way, I have a hard time really feeling united with distant parts of the US any more than I feel united with, say, Canada. Does NE have more in common with Dallas or Halifax? Are the redwood forests of the Pacific Northwest really more relevant to us than our shared white pine forest with Quebec? I guess that’s kind of what the Eleven Nations theory is about, although I don’t think of the Midwest as being united with NE or Louisiana as being united with QC.

    Also, we have a variety of cultures, climates, and terrain types just in Greater Boston/NE alone. Urban school systems in MA often serve students from dozens of language backgrounds, and only about half of all Bostonians are White (plus, many of the White people aren’t actually WASPs). In a given year in NE, you can see everything from a blizzard to a heat wave. Mount Washington contains subarctic zones while Southern NE contains subtropical beaches.

    If NE were to become a country while keeping similar borders to what it has today, I think the obvious capital would be Boston. Each former state could still have some power as a district of the new nation. Much of NE government is based on town meetings, anyway, and that wouldn’t need to change. We are already many united as one.

    If we were to collaborate with QC, I think Boston and Montreal could each have part of the government, in the South African style that you mentioned. One could have the executive branch and foreign embassies, while the other could have the legislative and judicial branches, or something to that effect. We could also have a president (or a president and a premier ministre) from each major cultural group (Anglophone and Francophone) like they do in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and let each region mostly govern itself. Alternately, we could be completely separate countries but forge strong military and trade alliances (that might be the easiest option).

    Do you have any more thoughts on the matter, Scribh? Is anyone else here from NE (or QC)?

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  549. @ Solitaire

    I think Native Hawaiians should absolutely be allowed to govern themselves in reservation-type nations if they choose. I hadn’t thought about it before, but why aren’t they given the same privileges as other Native groups?

    I’m not sure it would be fair for them to try to kick all non-Natives out of positions of power, however. I know that’s basically what White Americans did to them, but two wrongs don’t make a right (we don’t need another Israel).

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  550. @ Paige

    Minor correction, but it’s important:

    “why aren’t they given the same privileges as other Native groups?”

    They aren’t privileges that were given. They are rights established in treaties between two sovereign nations.

    Native Americans often got the short end of the stick in those treaties, and the U.S. government has broken many of the treaties. But still, that’s the key difference. Native American nations have rights that were established in exchange for secession of land.

    Native Hawaiians never entered a treaty with the U.S. government. They therefore have no treaty rights. Basically their government was overthrown and they were placed under military occupation, end of story.

    “I’m not sure it would be fair for them to try to kick all non-Natives out of positions of power, however.

    They haven’t decide what to do about the non-indigenous population. That’s a long ways in the future. They might not stop with what you suggest above; they might kick everyone else out and send them to the mainland. They might do exactly the opposite and allow full citizenship and participation for non-indigenous Hawaiians who want to stay in the new nation.

    “I know that’s basically what White Americans did to them, but two wrongs don’t make a right.”

    I think it’s up to them to decide.

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  551. Folks, I am purchasing a car. Should I pass my driving test next month, I failed the first, I will go out and get the car. I am currently down to two models; The Kia Soul and the Hyundai Tuscon. What say you? What would be your choice? I am also looking at the Kia Niro, a hybrid but none have become available in my area. Thanks.

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  552. on Sun 23 Apr 2017 at 15:26:06 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @Paige and Solitaire

    You have both given me lots to think about. I’m busy in real life at the moment but I’ll try to respond in full tonight (when it’s evening on East Coast time).

    Also, on the edge of my seat re: French elections. Mélenchon, Mélenchon, Mélenchon…

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  553. @ Solitaire

    Thanks for explaining why the Native Hawaiians don’t have their own land. The issue makes more sense to me now (although I still think they should be allowed to have reservations if they want them).

    I have to disagree about letting a state (or nation) just decide that certain people can’t live there or hold positions of power because of their ethnic background. There is too much of that kind of close-minded thinking in the world already.

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  554. Anyone get wind of this? White police officer holding 5 black kids at gunpoint.

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/body-camera-children-held-gunpoint/

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  555. Le Pen may win French elections. I am not surprised though.

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  556. @”White police officer holding 5 black kids at gunpoint.”

    If a liar reports to police that a black person (rarely a white person) has a gun or did X with no evidence at all, police can violate your rights even if you don’t fit the description given. That needs to change.

    And the liar who made the false report should be prosecuted, which often doesn’t happen, especially when the liar is white.

    And I’m going to wait for all the Dr. Dao defenders to come and express their outrage over this incident.

    I would wait for abagond to write a post on it, but since the national msm isn’t really covering it, I won’t hold my breath.

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  557. @Solitaire

    I’m familiar with the history of Hawaii. I think the anti-imperialist cause in 1898 was the right one (I recently read a good book on it, The True Flag by Stephen Kinzer) and the annexation was obviously motivated by the thirst for territorial and economic expansion among much of the U.S. wealthy. Had I been in Congress then I would have voted “no.”

    I am also aware that wealthy American businessmen controlled much of Hawaii’s land and treated their workers appallingly. But – this is where maybe my understanding needs broadening – wasn’t much of that driven out with the Democratic Revolution of the 1950s? At the very least, the big plantations were consigned to history. (Funnily enough, it was an Irish Catholic from Montana who led that movement, but I digress…)

    Comparisons to Ireland do come to mind, very clearly in fact, which is why I am of two minds on this issue. There are a couple things that I’m seeing, however, that differentiate the Hawaiian and Irish cases. For starters, while indigenous Irish are a majority throughout Ireland and about half of the population in the occupied North (and growing fast up there), indigenous Hawaiians are 10% of Hawaii as of the 2010 census. Therefore, to create an independent Hawaiian state run entirely by indigenous Hawaiians would be…um…awkward, to say the least, with respect to the other 90%. Paige’s point about Israel should is well taken. An independent Hawaii that consciously celebrates its indigenous culture, and has absolute equal rights for its indigenous people, is one thing. Ethnic cleansing of 90% of the people who live there is another. Even the most anti-London Irish republicans that I have seen have not called for driving Northern Protestant people into the sea – in fact, many strains of Irish republican thought have embraced Northern Protestants as fellow Irishmen who have simply been misguided.

    Also, Hawaii provides crucial liberal votes in national elections and in Congress. They voted for Bernie in the Democratic primaries by one of the strongest margins. As a progressive living in the United States, do I want to see that influence annulled? No, quite frankly, I don’t. Same with California. The North of Ireland does not really contribute that to the UK Parliament, since most indigenous Irish vote for Sinn Féin, which operates as an Irish rather than a British party. On the other hand, Scotland does provide a lot of left-wing power in Westminster and pulls British politics as a whole to the left, which is why I’ve seen a respectable argument from liberal Britons that calls for Scotland to stay in the UK or else saddle English people with a Tory government until the cows come home.

    Now, if we go with Paige’s proposal and New England leaves the U.S., all bets are off. I’d funnel money to Hawaiian secessionists if that came to pass.

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  558. @Paige

    Like you, I think NE is the best region in the US (actually, it’s the only clearly-defined one). I do have warm feelings toward Northern California, particularly San Francisco (which I view as being sort of the Boston of the West Coast, with LA being the equivalent of NYC) – even if Zuckerberg does find the Bay Area too flighty and short-sighted.

    I really love San Francisco and the Pacific Northwest, myself. Honestly, for me, the West Coast tops the list of “reasons I like living in this one unified country where I can go and visit anywhere I please.” However, there is not a great deal out there that I can’t find in New England as well. People say Portland and Seattle’s artisan coffee shops are the best ever, but have they even been to our cozy little corner over here?

    In a way, I have a hard time really feeling united with distant parts of the US any more than I feel united with, say, Canada. Does NE have more in common with Dallas or Halifax? Are the redwood forests of the Pacific Northwest really more relevant to us than our shared white pine forest with Quebec?

    Yup. 100%.

    You’re definitely right about the unpredictable weather…groans

    Maybe a full-on national union with Québec is far-fetched. Trade alliance would be cool with me, and maybe even an open border like the Schengen Zone. Whatever we do with respect to the Québécois, though, I would want some sort of acknowledgment from the New England government of the strong Francophone presence in the region. Maybe a national holiday on June 24, or the option of government services in French.

    “Military alliance” makes me balk. I don’t want an independent New England to be a military power. I want us to be like Ireland – neutral with a negligible military. We would become a member of the UN and use our position there to advocate diplomacy and peaceful conflict resolution. We wouldn’t touch the Middle East with a ten-foot pole; honestly, I would see no reason for New England troops to ever go outside of the country’s borders. Maybe there would need to be some presence along the western frontier to guard against incursions from the rump U.S., but ideally we would have nothing more than a glorified police force. And our actual police force, of course, would be unarmed.

    We would go full-out for renewable energy. We’d have Burlington in our nation. They could export their tactics to the rest of the new country, which has a relatively similar climate – and solar might work even better in Connecticut and Rhode Island. We would make 100% renewable energy an immediate policy goal. We’d do strict emissions testing on cars and create emission-free zones in our cities, like the Germans do.

    And, of course, we’d have a $15 minimum wage (or the equivalent value in whatever currency), strong union rights, absolutely no entertaining of the idea of corporate personhood, strict limits on campaign contributions, maybe even a ban on super PACs entirely. We would have a publicly funded national broadcaster and handsome funding for the arts and humanities (that’s where the nonexistent military budget could go…).

    You might just have me converted to New England separatism. What do you think of my blueprints for the nature of the nation? Any more ideas of your own?

    Anyone else have thoughts about New England secession?

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  559. @resw

    “I’m going to wait for all the Dr. Dao defenders to come and express their outrage over this incident.”

    What does this police incident have to do with the United Airlines incident?

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  560. @ Paige @ ASG-M

    I’m going to ask you both to consider the strong strain of paternalism that informs your responses.

    Paige, you have twice used the word allowed:

    “I think Native Hawaiians should absolutely be allowed to govern themselves in reservation-type nations”

    “I still think they should be allowed to have reservations”

    It’s their land. Why do non-Hawaiians persist in believing that we have the right to decide what happens to that land? Why do we treat the Native Hawaiians as children who must beg to be allowed self-determination?

    “wasn’t much of that driven out with the Democratic Revolution of the 1950s? At the very least, the big plantations were consigned to history.

    ASG-M, you are not looking at this from a Native Hawaiian standpoint. What you said above is like saying “Slavery has been abolished, so it’s all perfect now.”

    Native Hawaiians live in poverty while their land is stripped of its resources and defaced by large luxury hotels and military bases that make money for everyone but them. They have poor health and low life expectancy, high addiction and incarceration rates, and are having difficulty keeping their language and culture alive.

    ASG-M brought up their low population numbers but did so as an argument against Native Hawaiian self-determination rather than seeing those numbers as an indicator that Native Hawaiians are in danger of becoming extinct.

    “Ethnic cleansing of 90% of the people who live there is another.”

    Ethnic cleansing has already occurred in Hawaii. You seem only to be concerned if it could happen to people who look like you.

    I said above and I say again that Native Hawaiians haven’t decided to do anything bad to non-Natives, yet you both seem most concerned with the possibility that they might oppress other groups rather than the justice of their regaining their land, their autonomy, and their sovereignty.

    “Also, Hawaii provides crucial liberal votes in national elections and in Congress. They voted for Bernie in the Democratic primaries by one of the strongest margins. As a progressive living in the United States, do I want to see that influence annulled? No, quite frankly, I don’t.”

    Which brings me back to my original point. ASG-M cares more about liberal votes than justice for indigenous people who have suffered oppression for over 100 years.

    ASG-M, you continue to give me insight concerning the negative attitudes many POC have towards liberal whites. You don’t care what the Native Hawaiians want, even if that could mean the difference between their continuance as a people or their extinction.

    You might pay lip service to their cause if they lived in a conservative red state. But because they live in a liberal blue state, you oppose their struggle because you value the power of the liberal votes of their state more than you value the continued existence of Native Hawaiians.

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  561. @Solitaire

    You make strong points. That description of the current state of Native Hawaiians is shocking. It sounds a lot like what is in Abagond’s post on the Sioux. Clearly issues like poor health, high addiction and incarceration, cry out for addressing. It sounds a lot like the poverty that I see every day in New England. It strikes me that the implementation of Bernie Sanders’s platform could have cleared up a lot of this.

    I’m going to be blunt: I don’t want to live in a right-wing nation until the moon crashes into the Potomac. It is bald self-interest on my part, probably. I freely admit that possibility. Don’t most humans, for better or (often) worse, look from that perspective? Right now I am looking at Native Hawaiians as my fellow Americans, and thinking about how to craft policy solutions to elevate all of them to a comfortable middle-class status. I have no animus against Hawaiians because, as I have said repeatedly, I view California and Vermont with the same lens. Maybe if Bernie had been elected and the country as a whole had started moving left, it would be a different matter. Maybe we could afford to lose Hawaii then. But now in 2017, with Trump in office, this is exactly the wrong time to be playing this game.

    Solitaire, the Google search engine dictionary defines paternalism as “the policy or practice on the part of people in positions of authority of restricting the freedom and responsibilities of those subordinate to them in the subordinates’ supposed best interest.” I’m not in a position of authority over Native Hawaiians, nor are they subordinate to me. I don’t own a sugar plantation on the Big Island. I’m a tax-paying U.S. citizen who lives in pretty much the exact geographical opposite corner of the country from them. I’m powerless in dealing with their issues, or any issues in the country, except insofar as I can exercise my First Amendment rights to attempt to influence the political process. I may not be looking at this from a Native Hawaiian standpoint – every single person on Earth has a slightly different standpoint based on the infinite tiny differences in their life experiences – and I may need to research these issues a lot more, but I reject the accusation of “paternalism.”

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  562. @ ASG-M

    “That description of the current state of Native Hawaiians is shocking. It sounds a lot like what is in Abagond’s post on the Sioux.”

    Apparently I erred in assuming that you already knew this. What, you thought they were all happily dancing the hula for tourists and raking money in hand over fist?

    “Clearly issues like poor health, high addiction and incarceration, cry out for addressing. It sounds a lot like the poverty that I see every day in New England. It strikes me that the implementation of Bernie Sanders’s platform could have cleared up a lot of this.

    Studies have shown that the more autonomy and self-determination that indigenous people possess, the better their outcomes in all aspects of life. Restoring autonomy and sovereignty is a proven solution to these problems.

    “Right now I am looking at Native Hawaiians as my fellow Americans, and thinking about how to craft policy solutions to elevate all of them to a comfortable middle-class status.”

    As with the Sioux, poverty is only part of the problem. As with the Sioux, sacred lands are being desecrated. Some are even off-limits to Native Hawaiians. Elevating Native Hawaiians to a comfortable middle-class status under your terms will not give them the power to decide what happens to their ancestral lands and their sacred places, which is an issue of great importance to them.

    “Maybe we could afford to lose Hawaii then. But now in 2017, with Trump in office, this is exactly the wrong time to be playing this game.

    We could afford to lose Hawaii? Do you not see the paternalistic attitude in that statement? Is Hawaii ours to lose? Or was it already lost — by the Native Hawaiians, through our illegal, unwarranted, and violent actions? We stole that land, and now you’re justifying that theft by saying we can’t afford to lose it.

    And playing that game? You don’t think that smacks of paternalism? Calling their struggle against oppression and injustice a game as if they are children on a playground?

    “but I reject the accusation of ‘paternalism.’

    I’m not going to get into competing definitions with you, but you should know d@mn well that what you quoted isn’t the only way the word is correctly used. Think about the use of the word in feminist theory, for example. Look up the use of the word in critical race theory, or for that matter just everyday discourse about racism. I don’t have time to do your homework for you, so google it yourself.

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  563. @Solitaire

    By “game” I mean like a game of chess. The whole Trump era is a giant game of chess. Democrats in Congress can try to block the border wall, for example, but then Trump’s move is going to be to drive us into a government shutdown. (That’s the latest thing I’m reading about.) Another example: if Hawaiian nationalists make a move, what ramifications does that have on the political scene in the U.S.? Do Californians start thinking, “Hey, secession is actually feasible?” Then what move does California make, with its over 12% of the U.S. population – and giant congressional delegation? Does the rump U.S. become right-wing for decades and decades? What effect does that have on people here without homes, jobs, or health insurance? What effect does that have on politics in Canada, or Britain, or France, or Germany, or Turkey, or Japan, or the whole world? And what move does Trump make? Does he start responding military? How many people die? I guess I’m taking a much larger view of this than you are. This is about Hawaii and yet it is not about Hawaii. Hawaii is part of a larger world in which its actions, guess what, have consequences. If its separatist movement were explicitly anti-Trump, like the Scottish and Irish nationalists are explicitly anti-right-wing and anti-Brexit, that’s one thing. If they’re not addressing Trumpism, though, then they’re missing the 2017 boat.

    As for sacred lands, there’s a very easy way to remedy that. It’s called a law in the Hawaii state legislature that flat-out says no development on sacred lands. Although I’ll admit I don’t know if the U.S. military is using them as well.

    By the way, we didn’t steal anything. A clique of businessmen backed up by the U.S. military did so. I sure as hell am not agreeing to the proposition that I stole anything from anyone. If you have ever run a sugar plantation in Hawaii, then you can feel free to confess culpability. I for one plead not guilty.

    Now, I’m pulling out my paper copy of Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary. And I am going to copy, by hand, the complete definition of paternalism, into this comment:

    pa-ter-nal-ism [pronunciation] n 1 : a system under which an authority undertakes to supply needs or regulate conduct of those under its control in matters affecting them as individuals as well as in their relations to authority and to each other 2 : a policy or practice based on or characteristic of paternalism — pa-ter-nal-ist [pronunciation] n or adj — pa-ter-nal-is-tic [pronunciation] adj

    So there seems to be, across the board, an idea of authority, of a powerful-powerless relationship, embedded in the word. Since I don’t work for the U.S. government, again, it doesn’t apply to me. Maybe you’re looking for “misguided” or “blinkered”? That’s fair. I don’t know everything.

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  564. @ An Scríbhneor Gael-Mheiriceánach

    Comment deleted for moderated language.

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  565. Oh dear. My reaction to Le Pen’s advancement down the drain…

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  566. @Afrofem

    “What does this police incident have to do with the United Airlines incident?”

    While I never claimed or claim they do “have to do with” each other, in this incident there was “mistreating”, a word you used on the other thread.

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  567. @ ASG-M

    “Maybe you’re looking for ‘misguided’ or ‘blinkered’?”

    How about “waste of breath”? That was the conclusion I came to upthread. I told you on the Jeff Sessions thread not to come over here if you were just going to waste my time, yet that’s exactly what you’re doing.

    You seem to be unable to support the rights of POC if gaining those rights might feasibly inconvenience you personally in any single way. You don’t really care about their well-being. You like to spout enough liberal platitudes to look anti-racist, that’s all.

    “Another example: if Hawaiian nationalists make a move, what ramifications does that have on the political scene in the U.S.?”

    Who cares?

    Righting a wrong is righting a wrong, end stop.

    “Although I’ll admit I don’t know if the U.S. military is using them as well.”

    Christ. You really need to read up on this.

    “As for sacred lands, there’s a very easy way to remedy that. It’s called a law in the Hawaii state legislature that flat-out says no development on sacred lands.”

    That doesn’t address those sacred lands that have already been developed. Does your proposed law allow for the removal of luxury resorts, golf courses, and military installations?

    It also doesn’t address the access to and ownership of those lands. How are you even going to decide which lands count? Are you going to return the land to the people or just have the government hold it “in trust” the same way so many Native Americans have been screwed over?

    “I sure as hell am not agreeing to the proposition that I stole anything from anyone.”

    Yes, yes. You never owned slaves and you never sailed over the ocean to kill brown people for their land and you never did nothing to nobody. Therefore you don’t have to accept any culpability in the wrongs that your nation has perpetrated.

    “I guess I’m taking a much larger view of this than you are.”

    No, you’re conflating and exaggerating and doing everything you can to find a reason not to support Hawaiian independence because the idea makes you uncomfortable.

    Be realistic for a moment. They’ve been fighting for this for decades. It’s unlikely that they’ll succeed in the next eight years.

    Yet somehow you’ve constructed a scenario where the struggle of indigenous people in Hawaii leads to Trump causing World War III.

    It would cost you absolutely nothing to pay minimal lip service to the cause of Native Hawaiian independence.

    Yet you refuse.

    Because you are not willing to support the rights of POC if gaining those rights might feasibly inconvenience you personally in any single way.

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  568. @ Solitaire

    Well, maybe “allowed” isn’t quite the right word, but I’m not sure what is. The fact remains that the US government controls Hawaii at this moment. I’m trying to say that our country should give some of it back.

    @ Scribh

    Ha ha, I like the variety of weather here, although sometimes a fast change can seem absurd. It’s fun to go snowboarding and fun to go to the beach, but not necessarily in the same month. 😉

    I definitely think we could acknowledge the diversity of language backgrounds in NE – not just English and French, though. There are actually more Spanish and Portuguese speakers in NE than Francophones, and Chinese speakers aren’t far behind.

    I’m not a military expert, but I’d certainly like the armed forces to represent a small proportion of the NE federal budget compared to the how the US spends money. I do think there could be some wars worth fighting, but not many. I would be okay with most police officers being unarmed (but we’d probably need some kind of special force for violent situations, as they do in places like Ireland, Great Britain, Norway, and New Zealand).

    Renewable energy would be great for the environment, for our health, and for keeping us out of the Middle East. I also agree with your other political ideas that you listed towards the end of your comment. I’d like to add that we’d probably need a strict trade/tariff system that would privilege NE goods. It’s no use having strong unions if companies just say, “Fine, you can keep your fair work policies, but we’re moving our operation to someplace cheaper where people are less organized.” (That’s what happened to NE’s industrial cities in the 1900s.)

    What do you think a new currency could be like? I propose that the bills (1s, 5s, 10s, 20s, and 50s) be green, orange, red, blue, and purple – like the four underground lines of the T (the oldest underground railway in North America) and the Boston commuter rail. Each one could have a NE animal on it: a bear, a deer, a whale, a lobster, and a heron, or something to that effect.

    It’s funny that I might have converted you to an idea I only half believe in myself.

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  569. @ Herneith

    Sorry, I don’t know enough about those cars to make a recommendation. If one feels noticeably better to you or seems to just fit when you’re behind the wheel, if it is more responsive, easier to drive, etc., then go for that one even if it costs more.

    Good luck on your driver’s test! Remember: “Men are only good for one thing, but how often do you need to parallel park anyway?”

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  570. @Hernieth

    The KIA Soul gets slightly better gas millage but the Tucson Hyundai is all wheel drive making it a safer ride for icy Canadian streets.

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  571. @Solitaire

    Maybe it would be better if I just stop talking about Hawaiian affairs. You are obviously much more knowledgeable about the specifics than I.

    You might just be converting me. The merits of the independence movement are just. I am just going to reiterate that I really do not want to live under fascism until I’m 95 years old.

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  572. @Paige

    That’s a strong currency idea. I would add that they should be made of polymer (as in Canada) instead of paper. That goes a long way towards nurturing the environment. We could have New England animals and natural images on one side, but do you have any ideas for people to feature? Maybe William Lloyd Garrison or Roger Williams?

    Agree with the trade protectionism thing (another Bernie idea, and one where I actually have limited agreement with Trump), but we would probably exclude Québec from the strict measures.

    What wars do you think would be worth fighting? I would only think it would be worth deploying the military if New England, or maybe Québec, were attacked. Were I the President of New England I would not even contemplate for one second involving troops in the Middle East.

    I also forgot something else: complete abolition of the death penalty for all circumstances. Sorry, New Hampshire. And no more room for the federal death penalty to worm its way into Vermont.

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  573. @ Scribh

    I was going to try to choose some famous New Englanders for the currency yesterday, but there were so many possibilities that I got overwhelmed. I really like your suggestion of William Lloyd Garrison, and Roger Williams could work too. I’m not sure if these are actually the best choices, but here are some other people I could see being popular: Benjamin Franklin, Noah Webster, Phillis Wheatley, Robert Frost, Jack Kerouac, Louisa May Alcott, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Henry David Thoreau, Frederick Douglass, Susan B. Anthony, Paul Revere, Johnny Appleseed, Squanto, the Adamses (Sam, John, John Quincy, and Abigail), the Kennedys (Jack, Bobby, and Ted)… honestly, there are too many to name. I do think we should pick people who have been dead for at least like 50 years and who are are generally taken seriously. No Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Stephen King, Steven Tyler, Joan Baez, Donna Summer, Bobby Brown, Meghan Trainor, Mandy Moore, Adam Sandler, Seth Meyers, Steve Carell, Amy Poehler, Leonard Nimoy, Matt Damon, Wahlbergs, Afflecks, etc – even though those types of current and/or entertaining people might win a popularity contest.

    If we were going to have an alliance with an independent Quebec, I absolutely think we could favor them in our trade policies. I believe some wars have been worth fighting, like the (US) Civil War and WWII, but I think the military should mainly be for defense purposes. I am also against the death penalty and would like to see it outlawed. Even Tsarnaev doesn’t deserve that kind of hypocritical treatment (to punish you for killing, we’ll kill you!)

    The slogan for our travel brochures would be “Wicked Awesome!” 😉

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  574. @Paige

    Meghan Trainor…ahhhhhhh nooooooooo…but all your dead-more-than-50-years choice are spot-on. Bobby Kennedy would have to wait until summer 2018 to make the cut, technically speaking, but I revere him as a fellow Irish-American (Irish-New Englander!) liberal. And I absolutely adore the work of Robert Frost. This is great stuff.

    I agree, U.S. Civil War and World War II were justified, but in almost every other case in history, barring the Irish revolutions, I am sympathetic to the pacifist side.

    Love that travel slogan!!!!!! For the French connection it could double as C’est le fun de venir ici!

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  575. @ Scribh

    Come to think of it, Ted died way too recently to be on that list. Still, I think he’d be a better choice than say, Meghan. 😉

    Based on my knowledge of Spanish, I’m guessing that slogan means “It’s fun to come here!”

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  576. @Paige

    Yep, it’s informal Québécois French: “It’s fun/great to come here!”

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  577. @ Scribh

    Some of my relatives spoke Quebecois. So did Kerouac, until he enrolled in the Lowell Public Schools at age six! We should never underestimate the potential of the human mind.

    Actually, I could see “Never underestimate the potential of the human mind” being a New England slogan too.

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  578. @ An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    Comment deleted for untranslated French.

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  579. @”Comment deleted for untranslated French.”

    He knows full well abagond’s rule against untranslated French, but he chose to disrespect abagond by doing it anyway because the rules didn’t apply to him for such a long time.

    So kudos to abagond for suddenly enforcing his own comment policy on his colleague, but only time will tell if the fair moderation continues.

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  580. on Tue 25 Apr 2017 at 16:03:17 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    Troll, troll, crouching under that bridge…

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  581. I want Le Pen to win.

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  582. Poor scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius is frustrated he didn’t get to use his white privilege this time and actually has to follow the rules.

    Don’t worry, abagond is only trying to save face. You’ll be back to doing what you want in no time.

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  583. @resw

    What is this privilege of which you speak? Is it the privilege of being a Sanders supporter in an America where a fascist is president and the Democratic Party power structure is still clinging rigidly to the corpse of Clintonism? Or the privilege of being an Irish Catholic and watching a far-right Brexit UK gearing up to erect a militarized border across my homeland? Oh, the world is going just great for me…not…

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  584. “What is this privilege of which you speak?”

    I could’ve sworn I said “white privilege”. But we know how unaware you racists are.

    https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2013-10/enhanced/webdr02/27/20/enhanced-buzz-17808-1382919326-3.jpg?no-auto

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  585. @ villagewriter

    “I want Le Pen to win.”

    Why? Please elaborate.

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  586. @villagewriter

    You’re playing with fire. Why on Earth would you be rooting for a right-wing nationalist whose father was a clear-cut Hitler sympathizer?

    Didn’t you admire the great communist revolutionary, Fidel Castro?

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  587. @Afrofrem @ An Scribhenoir

    If Le Pen wins then the French will quickly know what she actually represents once and for all. They had the opportunity to push Jean-Luc Melenchon to the second round of voting but instead picked Le Pen.

    In my opinion, Melenchon was the real deal; he really wanted to unite the French and change the system to favor workers. Le Pen is an racist idealist with what I would want to describe as selective nostalgia. She will not change anything, she will make it worse. We can’t be waiting with bated breath every French election season wondering whether they will elect a racist or a plutocrats puppet.

    Macron seems to me like a designer president; who has the look and says all the right things but will end up making the French more thirsty for a Le Pen type.

    But I really want her to win so that once and for all Franco-Phone Africa will open their eyes and see the French clearly. The sooner they cut ties with France the better.

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  588. on Wed 26 Apr 2017 at 18:01:40 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @villagewriter

    I agree that Mélenchon would have been the best shot. I wanted him to win. But he didn’t. I believe that advancing progressivism and left-wing causes is never worth electing right-wing fascists.

    I live in America. I’ve seen this movie already. I supported Bernie Sanders, he lost the Democratic primaries, I and all the other Bernie supporters I knew very reluctantly voted for Clinton, and still Trump won. I still think Clinton was a snake and do not regret a single moment of advocating for Bernie during the primaries, but I would much rather be spending this year pushing a Clinton administration to the left than fighting actual fascism and corporate kleptocracy which could literally destroy the planet.

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  589. @ An Scribhenoir

    I get what you are saying but it seems like the French are really getting comfy with her. Its like the French are taunting us like a bully playing with your phone near a toilet bowl; he seems like he is about to throw it inside but quickly lifts it up and laughs at you.

    I am like “Vote for her already stop taunting us”. Let them dip their hands in fire and see how hot it burns.

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  590. on Wed 26 Apr 2017 at 18:21:40 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @villagewriter

    Do you mean that French voters are making fun of the rest of the world by embracing Le Pen (at least among the ~20% who do)? Like Le Pen’s supporters are saying to other countries, “Watch this, suckers”?

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  591. @ An Scríbhneoir

    Lol…that is exactly how I see it. Its not like the 20% don’t know she is a racist. Why on earth would she be anyone’s second choice; she should not even be among the top candidates.

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  592. on Wed 26 Apr 2017 at 18:46:03 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @villagewriter

    Thanks for the clarification.

    Personally, I would never wish fascism on anyone. Especially when said fascism would equally affect the 80% of French people who did notwant Le Pen. And even if Le Pen were to win in a landslide, taking delight in other people’s suffering is not something I do.

    I agree that watching a fascist demagogue rise and rise is painful to watch. Take my word for it that it’s even more painful to live through. The way to stop Le Pen is to stop Le Pen. I really did want Mélenchon to carry the victory, but as with Bernie Sanders, it didn’t happen. If Macron’s supporters, plus the other French parties, band together to crush Le Pen, and it comes out being 70-30 or even 65-35, that will mean that fascism in France has been successfully whacked. After that immediate existential threat to democracy and to the very planet is removed, we can resume pushing for progressive and leftist reforms. Right now we’re in Hippocratic mode. Harm reduction.

    At least, this is all how I see it.

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  593. @ An Scríbhneoir

    Macron is not going to challenge the banks pushing austerity measures onto the Greeks. He is not going to call for a change in the financial world at all. Maybe he will adjust a few things here and there but nothing really significant.

    That means that young people in France will still remain dissatisfied and many of them will continue supporting Le Pen. Her popularity says something about France; she is like a symptom of a fatal disease that the French keep treating with pain killers.

    I want her to win so that a future Melenchon can finally dethrone her and actually change the situation in France. Just like sometimes doctors have to rebreak your leg to reset it.

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  594. on Wed 26 Apr 2017 at 19:23:31 An Scríbhneoir Gael-Mheiriceánach

    @villagewriter

    I understand, and I certainly detest the EU’s austerity programs (I have seen how they have raped Ireland), but let’s remember how the Third Reich ended in Germany. Not with the Social Democrats coming to power in a wave of discontent in 1937, but with a global war that left Germany bombed and burned to a crisp.

    I have viewed Macron as a weak candidate, both because of his weak-sauce centrism and his habit of putting his foot in his mouth. Way back in February when he made those remarks about Algeria, I held my breath with nausea and waited for the next polls to show Le Pen as frontrunner. But those two are what France has got. The way for real positive change is not to make things as horrible as possible; it’s to cut down on the worst harm and build a foundation from there.

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  595. @villagewriter

    “Let them dip their hands in fire and see how hot it burns.”

    I so agree with your sentiment. A lot of people in Global North nation-states think their “democratic” institutions will prevent a free fall into grinding poverty and social disorder. They are wrong.

    Sometimes the best way to learn a hard lesson is to experience hard times. Nothing corrects delusion like reality. The French and Francophone Africa need to see all of the actors without their makeup before real change can occur.

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  596. @Scribh

    “…let’s remember how the Third Reich ended in Germany. Not with the Social Democrats coming to power in a wave of discontent in 1937, but with a global war that left Germany bombed and burned to a crisp.”

    It is a lesson the Germans have not forgotten. You will notice they don’t act like fools on the world stage anymore. Using villagewriter’s metaphor, in 1937, the Germans dipped their hands in fire and experienced how hot (and painful) the flames were.

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  597. @ resw

    “I would wait for abagond to write a post on it, but since the national msm isn’t really covering it, I won’t hold my breath.”

    The Washington Post and the New York Daily News do seem to be covering it. But I am not going to do a post on it this week, certainly, since RT does not seem to have anything on it.

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  598. @ Paige

    “Are you going to do a post on the Chechnyan gay torture centers?”

    Not this week, at least. RT does not seem to have anything on it.

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  599. @ Herneith

    I saw that yesterday. I wonder if it is just more legislative theater?

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  600. I wonder where all the Dr. Dao defenders are to also defend the black man who was made to leave a Delta flight for needing to urinate during prolonged runway taxiing. Where are the media outrage and calls to boycott Delta?

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  601. @resw

    The usually excuses….just another black man doing something wrong like standing or….the media didn’t cover it so I didn’t know….

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  602. @sharinalr

    Precisely. Unlike in the Dao and stroller/verbal assault incidents, here we learned this guy’s height and hairstyle: “6-foot-3” with “dreadlocks”. In other words, “mistreating” him was OK because he’s a big, scary black guy.

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  603. Abagond – I dont know if this is the place to ask but can you do a post on Darcus Howe – I think it is important to spread awareness of what this man did as an activist for the rights of PoC and a spokesperson for the West Indian Community in the UK. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/03/darcus-howe-obituary)

    Also it would be interesting to follow up on Rachel Dolezal who remains unrepentant about deceiving people (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/25/rachel-dolezal-not-going-stoop-apologise-grovel)

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  604. @Abagond: April 29, 1992 The 25th anniversary of the LA riots. Are you going to do a post?

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  605. @Abagond : Are you watching the ABC Documentary: Let It Fall?

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  606. @ Mary

    I did not see “Let It Fall”. It is unlikely I will do a post on the LA riots since I do not have any good sources on it.

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  607. @MB,
    I was just thinking the same thing. It would be good to revisit it 25 years on.

    If we cannot get a post with enough verifiable facts, maybe we can just discuss about how it was a watershed moment in US history, esp. in race relations and in relations with the police.

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  608. @abagond

    Whats the likelihood about the posts I suggested?

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  609. @”We got another one.”

    And similarly, the police “misspoke” or lied about their motives for murder. First the car was backing up “aggressively”, now we see that was “incorrect”.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/05/01/officer-fatally-shoots-15-year-old-boy-in-dallas-suburb/?utm_term=.98ebfd0ffa82

    The police chief should be fired for lying to the public, and if that false narrative was in the police report, the officer should be charged for falsifying, in addition to his murder charges.

    P.S. where are all the Dr. Dao defenders who were crying “brutality” to defend this innocent child who was victim to real police brutality? I forgot, he’s black.

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  610. “P.S. where are all the Dr. Dao defenders who were crying “brutality” to defend this innocent child who was victim to real police brutality? I forgot, he’s black.”

    Resw: Selective outrage. They didn’t like the fact that the people taking out Dao were black.

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  611. @Rex

    “Selective outrage. They didn’t like the fact that the people taking out Dao were black.”

    I said the same thing on the United Airlines Flight 3411 thread. There were even racist trolls, who never once uttered a peep about all the unarmed blacks being killed by police, suddenly defending David Dao for being “brutalized”.

    These white supremacists are not even hiding their double standards anymore.

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  612. RIP to young Jordan Edwards gone too soon.

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  613. @ Omnipresent

    Darcus Howe is a good suggestion. As to Rachel Dolezal, I doubt I have the stomach to write another post about her. But if it is seconded, I will do my best.

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  614. @ Rex

    Thanks for the Jordan Edwards link. I will almost certainly be doing a post on him.

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  615. As to Rachel Dolezal, I doubt I have the stomach to write another post about her.

    How about some TUMS?

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  616. “P.S. where are all the Dr. Dao defenders who were crying “brutality” to defend this innocent child who was victim to real police brutality? I forgot, he’s black”.

    You make this sh*t up. I defended Dr. Dao but now I can’t hate on the police for the murder of a Black child ? gtfooh

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  617. Folks, I am going for my second road test today. If any of youse pray, do so for me! Thanks in advace if your prayers work!

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  618. @ Herneith

    I prayed for you. Good luck!

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  619. @michaeljonbarker

    “I defended Dr. Dao but now I can’t hate on the police for the murder of a Black child ?”

    Re-read what I actually wrote or get someone to help you comprehend it. What I asked was where are you people who defended Dr. Dao to also defend the innocent black child who was murdered?

    So where are you people?

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  620. @Abagond: Please no more Dolezeal please.

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  621. @ Herneith

    I sacrificed a chocolate fudge brownie to Cthulhu while chanting your name. Hope it helped.

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  622. Parallel parking did me in! Oh well, next time! I’m booking another test!

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  623. @Herneith

    Parallel parking is difficult for many people who have driven for decades.

    Just practice and try again. We are rooting for you!

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  624. @ Abagond

    Are you planning to write anything about the shooting in La Jolla? Gunman was white, targeted a group almost entirely African American (reportedly having a poolside birthday party), victims all African American and Latino, and the cops are saying they don’t believe it was a racially motivated attack.

    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/sd-me-poolside-shooting-20170502-story.html

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  625. He got his marching orders, did it immediately and gave thanks without anyone having to mention it. Amazing.

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  626. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cinco-de-mayo-in-trump-era-leaves-mexican-americans-torn/ar-BBALqRK

    “….Trump’s immigration policies and rhetoric are leaving some Mexican-Americans and immigrants feeling at odds with a holiday they already thought was appropriated by beer and liquor companies, event promoters and bars.

    Latino activists and scholars say ambivalence is bolstered by the hazy history of Cinco de Mayo and by stereotypes exploited by marketers.

    The once-obscure holiday marking a 19th century battle between Mexico and invading French forces is now a regular celebration in the U.S., where party-goers flock to bars for cheap margaritas and tacos. Television beer commercials often show mostly white actors on a beach celebrating.

    “The narrative around Cinco de Mayo seems to say, ‘this day really isn’t yours,'” said Cynthia Duarte, a sociology professor at California Lutheran University….

    Often mistaken for Mexican Independence Day (Sept. 16), Cinco de Mayo commemorates the 1862 Battle of Puebla between the victorious ragtag army of largely Mexican Indian soldiers against the invading French forces of Napoleon III. The day is barely observed in Mexico, but was celebrated in California by Latinos and abolitionists who linked the victory to the fight against slavery.

    During the Chicano Movement of the 1970s, Mexican-Americans adopted Cinco de Mayo for its David vs. Goliath story line as motivation in civil rights struggles.

    This year, some immigrant enclaves have canceled or reduced Cinco de Mayo celebrations over fears that party-goers could be exposed to possible deportation. In Philadelphia, a Cinco de Mayo-related celebration was scrapped after organizers determined turnout would drop over concerns about immigration raids.

    Others worry that parties could take a cruel spin, with revelers, emboldened by Trump’s crackdown, mocking and even attacking Mexicans. In Waco, Texas, a college fraternity at Baylor University was suspended after throwing a Cinco de Mayo party where students reportedly dressed as construction workers and maids and chanted “Build that Wall,” a reference to Trump’s signature campaign promise. The party sparked an investigation and campus protest.”

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  627. Something I just realized: people say “United States” but never “United Kingdoms”.

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  628. And why would people say “United Kingdoms”? There’s only one kingdom in the United Kingdom.

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  629. Actually, the United Kingdom is comprised of three kingdoms; Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland.

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  630. @Rex

    No, those are not kingdoms, those are countries. There is one kingdom made up of four countries (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Island and other territories) UNITED under one monarch.

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  631. @ Abagond

    Something I just realized: people say “United States” but never “United Kingdoms”.

    I doubt that’s by accident. If the English monarchy had used the plural term “United Kingdoms,” it would have been a constant reminder that the three Celtic countries not only used to be independent nations but also separate kingdoms ruled over by their own royal families. They didn’t unite willingly nor without bloodshed.

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  632. ^So funny the stories people make up.

    Last I checked Queen Elizabeth II was the only MONarch of the United Kingdom of Great Britain (an island where 3 UK “countries” are) and Northern Ireland (a UK “country”), so there’s only one kingdom.

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  633. “there’s only one kingdom.”

    And I never said otherwise. This is true, right now in the present time.

    What’s equally true, though, is in the past there used to be multiple kingdoms on that same land, before the English invaded and did what they do so well: take other peoples’ land through violence, warfare, and deception.

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  634. resw:

    “@Rex

    No, those are not kingdoms, those are countries. There is one kingdom made up of four countries (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Island and other territories) UNITED under one monarch.”

    I knew I forgot a couple, but they were kingdoms before they were countries. 🙂

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  635. @”This is true, right now in the present time”

    And that’s what I’m talking about. The name “right now in present time”.

    LOL. They will jump through Hula hoops to try to make themselves right. It’s amazing.

    @Rex

    “but they were kingdoms before they were countries”

    No, Northern Ireland was never a “kingdom”. Or maybe you can name just one king/queen that “Northern Ireland” by itself, NOT Ireland, ever had.

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  636. They were all either kingdoms or parts of them.

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  637. LOL. Some people just have to be right, facts be damned.

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  638. And I was talking to Abagond about the history of the term.

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  639. @ Rex @ Solitaire

    Thanks.

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  640. @Rex

    As I said, there was never a kingdom of “Northern Ireland”. So you were wrong, as hard as it is for you to admit it.

    @abagond

    Funny you thanked the people who completely fabricated information, not the one who actually told you the facts. Another clear example of your bias and childish vindictiveness. Grow up.

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  641. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Ulster

    Ulster

    “A historical region and ancient kingdom of northern Ireland. Largely annexed by the English Crown during the reign of James I, it is now divided between Ireland and Northern Ireland, which is often called Ulster.”

    American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016

    “(Placename) a province and former kingdom of N Ireland: passed to the English Crown in 1461; confiscated land given to English and Scottish Protestant settlers in the 17th century, giving rise to serious long-term conflict; partitioned in 1921, six counties forming Northern Ireland and three counties joining the Republic of Ireland.”

    Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014

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  642. @ resw

    Comment deleted for making personal remarks about Solitaire.

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  643. @abagond

    No one made any comment about anyone in particular. Another example of your dishonesty.

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  644. @ resw

    Another example of your disingenuousness. You cast the comment in the plural, but Solitaire was clearly its main target, especially since Scribh was not part of this exchange.

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  645. Ulster is not synonymous with “Northern Ireland”. Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan are not in Northern Ireland. So again, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland does NOT refer to more than one kingdom.

    How amazing the lengths people go to try to be right, when they’re clearly wrong.

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  646. @abagond

    You were the one who set the guidelines for responding to such comments, and I am following them. Sounds like you need to tighten them if you don’t want me doing what you sanctioned.

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  647. @ resw

    “Funny you thanked the people who completely fabricated information, not the one who actually told you the facts. Another clear example of your bias and childish vindictiveness. Grow up.”

    You are a troll so it is hard for me to feel any gratitude.

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  648. @abagond

    F@ck off. You were the one who said you didn’t know why “Kingdom” in United Kingdom was singular, I told you why, and this is the treatment I get?

    Thanks for once again proving my point that you’re biased toward commenters who tell you what you want to hear, not the facts.

    While it’s childish, as I said, it’s much deeper than that. And that’s why you should come clean to your readers about your real motives.

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  649. Resw:
    I fabricated inforamtion? I have to be right? I provided evidence of my answer–and I never said Northern Ireland or Wales were kingdoms. Northern Ireland was part of the kingdom of Ireland, but was taken by the British in the 1920s, and Wales was absorbed when the UK became a country in the 1700s. (Note that Wales also had a kingdom within its borders, the kingdom of Gwent)

    That’s all…

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  650. @Rex

    “and I never said Northern Ireland or Wales were kingdoms”

    OK, then maybe another Rex said “Actually, the United Kingdom is comprised of three kingdoms; Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland”

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  651. Then I said that they were all either kingdoms or parts of one. Enough already!

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  652. ^Exactly why I said, some people just can’t admit when they’re wrong.

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  653. @abagond,
    If you have time, can you do a post on Roger Stone? He is another Nixon/Trump link.

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  654. @ Anne

    “If you have time, can you do a post on Roger Stone? He is another Nixon/Trump link.”

    Excellent suggestion. Thanks.

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  655. @Abagond: What do you think about the cyber attack with the ransonware? Will you be doing a post on that just curious.

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  656. ransomware^^^

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  657. @ Mary

    I might do a post on it later in the week.

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  658. @ Abagond

    I just saw this article about medical and dental clinic hacking for ransom by a group called the Dark Overlord. According to McClatchy DC:

    “The hackers freeze the clinics’ records, then demand payment in bitcoin to return access. If payment is not forthcoming, the records may be released on the internet. On the underground “dark web,” crime groups pay varying rates for what is known as personally identifiable information.

    Social Security numbers can fetch about 25 cents each, while credit card numbers might bring $1 to $10, said Robert Lord, chief executive of Protenus, a Baltimore firm specializing in health care cybersecurity. Complete health records can sell for hundreds of dollars each.

    […] medical records are largely immutable and provide family history, medications, billing information, medical diagnoses, sexual history and further details.

    “They can be used for extremely complex types of fraud,” Lord said, like identity theft, medication and claims fraud, and abusive ad targeting.

    “Then of course there is medical blackmail. If you’re a public figure and you have plastic surgery or you’re HIV positive or have a cancer diagnosis . . . you can imagine what that could mean if your records became public,” Lord said.”

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/national-security/article150678617.html

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