Russiagate

Thu Mar 2nd 2017 by abagond

Russiagate (2016- ) is the scandal where US President Donald Trump and his top people are suspected of secret ties to the Russian government.

As of March 2nd 2017 there is no proof, just curious facts that point to something strange going on. It is like living in a spy novel:

Trump only says nice things about Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Trump publicly asked Russia to hack Hillary Clinton, his Democratic opponent in the 2016 US election.
Trump will not make his tax returns public.
Jeff Sessions, Trump’s Attorney General, lied under oath about not talking to the Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak.
Michael Flynn, Trump’s first National Security Adviser, lied about talking to the Russian ambassador. Trump kept Flynn on for weeks even after he knew Russia could be blackmailing him.
Rex Tillerson, Trump’s Secretary of State, was awarded the Order of Friendship by Russia. As head of ExxonMobil, Tillerson made a $500 billion oil deal with Putin that was blocked by US sanctions against Russia.
Wilbur Ross, Trump’s Secretary of Commerce, was a partner in the Bank of Cyprus, which launders money from Russia.
Dmitry Rybolovlev, also a partner in the Bank of Cyprus, bought a mansion from Donald Trump in 2008 for $95 million. In 2016 he flew back and forth between Moscow and US cities where Trump was campaigning.
Oleg Erovinkin was found dead in the back seat of his car. He was suspected of helping Christopher Steele, the former British spy who put together the Trump dossier (which lays out the Russian ties).
Five Russian diplomats have died in the four months since the US election, one of them gunned down in public at an art gallery in Turkey.
Russian trolls have been supporting Trump since 2015.

Flynn and Putin (and Jill Stein!) in 2015.

Tillerson and Putin in 2011.

Putin and Trump.

Oh, and then there is the hacking of emails of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and John Podesta, the head of the Clinton campaign. Some of those emails were made public through WikiLeaks, well-timed to hurt Clinton and protect Trump.

The CIA says Russian intelligence is behind the hack. So does CrowdStrike, which handled the DNC’s computer security. CrowdStrike made its findings public.

Net worth in billions (according to Google in 2017):

200: Vladimir Putin
7.3: Dmitry Rybolovlev
3.7: Donald Trump
2.5: Wilbur Ross
0.150: Rex Tillerson
0.008: Jeff Sessions
0.008: Michael Flynn

The Trump dossier remains the best guide to understanding all of this despite the surprise twists and turns.

Investigations: Those by Congress are headed by Republicans and so far have done nothing. The FBI, though, seems to be moving forward. British intelligence is presumably looking into it.

Deep state: Some see Russiagate as an attempt to remove Trump by the deep state, made up of the CIA, Wall Street, etc, using the White Liberal press to spread fake news. But if that were true, Trump would want to get to the bottom of it. Instead he tries to play it down – as if he is hiding something.

The only good way out of this mess is an investigation that is both open and independent.

– Abagond, 2017.

Update (May 10th): Yet another one of those Curious Facts: Yesterday President Trump fired FBI Director James Comey, the man in charge of the Russiagate investigation.

Update (May 18th): Curious Fact #13: Trump passed secrets to the Russians, stuff Israel did not want the US to tell even trusted allies like Britain!

Update (May 18th): At long last, a special prosecutor has been appointed to get to the bottom of Russiagate: Robert Mueller. He was the FBI director from 2001 to 2013, under Presidents Bush II and Obama, the one right before James Comey.

Update (May 18th): And, oh yeah, there is reportedly a memo James Comey wrote right after meeting with Trump on February 14th in which Trump asked him to drop the investigation of Michael Flynn, a key part of Russiagate. If true, that would be obstruction of justice, a crime, enough to get him impeached – even if the whole Russiagate things turns out to be unfounded. “The cover-up is worse than the crime.”

Update (May 23rd): Former CIA head John Brennan testified before Congress that:

“I encountered and am aware of information and intelligence that revealed contacts and interactions between Russian officials and U.S. persons involved in the Trump campaign.”

He was not sure if it was collusion, but it was clearly something the FBI needed to look into.

Fox News, meanwhile, has at last admitted that it had no facts to back up its Seth Rich conspiracy theory that it has been pushing: that it was Rich, not the Russians, who had given WikiLeaks “thousands of emails.” Snopes debunked it.

Update (May 27th): The Washington Post reports that:

“Russian ambassador told Moscow that Jared Kushner wanted secret communications channel with the Kremlin”

And that is just the tip of the iceberg since we do not know what secrets he wanted to tell the Russian government without US intelligence knowing.

Jared Kushner is Trump’s son-in-law and right-hand man.

Last night CNN and MSNBC went nuts over this while Fox News (and RT) seemed strangely unconcerned:

Update (July 11th): New York Times newsflash that I just got on my phone: The Times now has the email to Donald Trump Jr. offering Russian aid to “incriminate Hillary.” His reply: “If it’s what you say I love it.”

Update (October 24th): President Trump missed an October 1st deadline on carrying out sanctions against Russia and will not say why.

Update (December 2nd): Flynn has flipped, turning state’s evidence, the first of Trump’s inner circle to do so. In Watergate terms, this is the John Dean moment, which came about 13 months before Nixon resigned.

Update (July 2018): Further updates in this post: Russiagate update #1.

See also:

Russiagate update #1 – July 2018
Trump dossier
Russia
- Russian hackers
- Russian trolls
conspiracy theory
fake news
deep state
Guide to Trump
scandal
- The Death of Outrage – my guide to scandal
- Watergate
White Liberals
How to remove a US president
Jill Stein

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on Fri Mar 3rd 2017 at 18:40:55 Glenn (freedom of movement) Robinson @glncv

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on Fri Mar 3rd 2017 at 18:53:06 nomad

Oh god dam. Based on nothing. We get it. Its an antitrump antirussian blog. I wish it would go back to being a black blog. This is propaganda. I wish you would do some of the other topics youve talked about. Wheres the posts on RT and the deep state.

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on Fri Mar 3rd 2017 at 18:54:47 resw

@abagond

I can accept the propaganda and baseless conspiracy theories, as we’ve come to expect that from you by now.

But “according to Google”? This is a new low for you, abagond.

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on Fri Mar 3rd 2017 at 19:14:44 Mack Lyons (@DDSSBlog)

I guess everyone here missed the whole “500 words a day on whatever I want” tagline.

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on Fri Mar 3rd 2017 at 19:25:29 resw

“I guess everyone here missed the whole “500 words a day on whatever I want” tagline.”

No, but I did miss the comment policy that prohibits expressing opposing opinions to his “500 words a day on whatever…”

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on Fri Mar 3rd 2017 at 19:29:57 Allen Shaw

Good summation of the current thinking.

I agree we need an investigation; however we should be sure we are not jumping ahead of the facts.

It could be that those super rich individuals who have business all over the world are just the wrong people to be in political positions.

It took quite a while for them to finally catch the individuals who were doing the dirty work in the Nixon period.

We must be patient.

How about covering the Affordable Care Act Repeal and bring everyone up to date. Who will lose.

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on Fri Mar 3rd 2017 at 19:48:29 nomad

Mack Lyons (@DDSSBlog)

I guess everyone here missed the whole “500 words a day on whatever I want” tagline.

nope. i certainly didnt. though i seem to have missed the part that says without criticism.

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on Fri Mar 3rd 2017 at 19:56:59 Deb

@nomad…“This is propaganda.”

I’m with you ‘Mad. There was no hacking of DNC/John Podesta emails. From Craig Murray’s blog:

Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, who is a close associate of Assange, called the CIA claims “bullshit”, adding: “They are absolutely making it up.”
“I know who leaked them,” Murray said. “I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/12/cias-absence-conviction/

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on Fri Mar 3rd 2017 at 20:14:11 nomad

for someone who doesnt believe in the deep state, abagond is certainly amenable to spreading its alleged memes.

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on Fri Mar 3rd 2017 at 21:15:24 FOB

Is it a coincidence that Sweden is a pillar of liberalism and social democracy, right on Russia’s doorstep? I don’t think so.

Russia is not threatened by Swedish democracy or their values, only by their proximity to Lativa, Lithuania, Estonia. More specifically, the Swedish island of Gotland in the middle of the Baltic sea right cross Russian controlled Kaliningrad.

Pretty sure Russia has no intention of invading Western Europe, US or the rest of Sweden since that would mean nuclear war and MAD (mutually assured destruction). The parts they possibly do want to invade are Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia.

Westerners foolishly believe that “they hate us for our freedoms” or some such nonsense. Russians only care to the extent that US and Europe make aggressive moves close to Russia’s borders in former USSR countries. If the West didn’t meddle or try to control the energy supply lines to Russia, Russia wouldn’t care whether the West was democratic, authoritarian, communist, socialist, or whatever. Westerners simply have an over-inflated sense of their so called “Western values”. After all, Brexit, Trump and the rise of right wing parties in Europe are all functioning within democratic systems.

The rise of a (non-democratic) China, which is now the biggest threat to white supremacy on the planet, is making so many people in the West anxious and thus there’s ever increasing hand-wringing about the preservation of “Western freedoms and values”. We shouldn’t forget that racism, colonialism, etc are also Western values.

(None of this is meant to imply that Putin is a nice guy or anything of the sort. He’s a very bad man, to put it simply.)

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on Fri Mar 3rd 2017 at 22:13:09 Mary Burrell

Is this enough to impeach Trump?

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on Fri Mar 3rd 2017 at 22:48:19 Brothawolf

He hasn’t been in office for three months, and Trump’s already involved in a political scandal of the highest caliber. But then again, suspicions were made about his ties to Putin before he was elected.

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on Fri Mar 3rd 2017 at 22:50:21 Brothawolf

Mary Burrell,

I wonder about that too, but seeing how Democrats are, I don’t know if they have enough backbone to try it, especially without irrefutable proof of some kind of treason.

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on Fri Mar 3rd 2017 at 23:04:17 v8driver

Innit king karl gustav of sweden like the anti-tank gun?

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on Fri Mar 3rd 2017 at 23:41:18 Mary Burrell

According to Merriam-Webster the look up for the word recuse is 45,000%.

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on Fri Mar 3rd 2017 at 23:44:40 Mary Burrell

@Brotha Wolf: After that joke of a State of The Union address the Democrats drank the orange Fool-Aid.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 01:33:01 abagond

@ nomad

“Oh god dam. Based on nothing. We get it. Its an antitrump antirussian blog. I wish it would go back to being a black blog. This is propaganda. I wish you would do some of the other topics youve talked about. Wheres the posts on RT and the deep state.”

Holy cow, you are the one who keeps talking about this stuff! You talk about Russia and Putin way more than anyone else on this blog.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 01:47:47 abagond

I put in “according to Google” as a warning. It is what you get from a cursory Google search. The numbers are probably roughly right, within a factor of two, but I cannot vouch for any one of them. That would require further study that is beyond the scope of this post. If I get better numbers I will update it. I have looked into Trump’s net worth and $3.7 billion is a reasonable number.

The point, though, is that some of the Russian characters in this drama are way richer than the US ones – meaning they are open to corruption. Trump in particular, who will not release his tax returns and is therefore presumed to be corrupt.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 02:04:33 abagond

Mary Burrell

“Is this enough to impeach Trump?”

You would most likely need proof that Trump knowingly worked with Russian intelligence AND for at least 10% of the Republicans in the House to vote for it.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 02:37:33 abagond

@ Brothawolf

I thought Trump or Hillary would be sunk in scandal, they are both sleazy characters, but I never dreamed it would be this quick and terrible.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 03:08:22 gro jo

Trump is getting what he deserved. This whole Russian puppet meme is likely to be as bs as the Kenyan Obama one which got Trump to the White house. nomad and others on this blog had no problem with that. The boot is on the other foot now so they whine. I love Abagond’s sense of humor. The best gags of this post are:
1) “The only good way out of this mess is an investigation that is both open and independent.” With such high stakes at play, where are you going to find such independent types?
2) “Oh, and then there is the hacking of emails of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and John Podesta, the head of the Clinton campaign. Some of those emails were made public through WikiLeaks, well-timed to hurt Clinton and protect Trump. The CIA says Russian intelligence is behind the hack. So does CrowdStrike, which handled the DNC’s computer security. CrowdStrike made its findings public.” You forgot to include the FBI because Comey’s eleventh hour intervention did HRC no favors.
3) “The Trump dossier remains the best guide to understanding all of this despite the surprise twists and turns.” No sh*t! British intelligence has centuries of lies and fraud to its credit, why would they be anymore credible than the other liars?
Trump didn’t get the message and went rogue, the deep state is disciplining him. Let’s see where that leads to.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 03:15:46 gro jo

The cartoon is wrong, Nixon used Cubans for the Watergate break-in.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 04:01:13 michaeljonbarker

I dont take this stuff serilously. There’s nothing beyond some business dealings between billionares. The MSM takes creative liberty with facts for ratings. The whole ship of state is narcissism and lies and is fake and dysfunctional.

I dont want a part of it and am focusing on my family, business and employees as they are the only things that matter.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 04:51:32 Afrofem

“…the deep state is disciplining him.”

I concur. They are tearing Trump a new one and he deserves it. His selfishness and foolishness has finally caught up with him.

It is fascinating to see people chasing their tails over this farce; working themselves into a state of high hysteria over elephant games.

I agree with michaeljonbarker. Time to focus on matters close at hand instead of being held in thrall by the machinations of the Beltway Bubble.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 05:33:32 nomad

@abagond
“Russiagate (2016- ) is the scandal where US President Donald Trump and his top people are suspected of secret ties to the Russian government.”
Suspicion without proof is the very essence of what is conventionally thought of as conspiracy theory. Propaganda is the treatment of selected conspiracy theory as fact and the propagation of it to influence public opinion, i.e. mind control. This is textbook propaganda.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 05:40:44 nomad

Oh, and as Deb points out, some of it is not just suspicion but outright lies.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 05:43:49 abagond

@ nomad

I said point-blank that there is no proof so far. I am hardly treating it as fact. Nor am I dismissing it all as untrue – because I do not know or pretend to know.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 05:45:11 abagond

@ Deb

Good point: it may have been a leak, not a hack.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 05:54:58 nomad

“I said point-blank that there is no proof so far. I am hardly treating it as fact.”
No. You are just treating the ‘curious facts’ as proof that ‘something strange is going on”.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 05:55:30 abagond

@ nomad

Not everything in this post may turn out to be true or important.. In fact, the whole Russian angle could turn out to be a red herring. But given how Trump is acting there is something he is hiding.

Secret ties with Russia, by at least some of his people, seems the likeliest explanation at this point.

I know that that is the story the White Liberal press is pushing and that that makes me sound like a dupe. But not everything they say is wrong.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 06:19:14 nomad

“But not everything they say is wrong.”
This is. Flynn and Sessions have done nothing out of the ordinary in their contacts with Russian officials. This hysteria about Russia hacking the election on behalf of Trump is a lie and pure propaganda straight from the hoary womb of Hillary Clinton, midwifed by Barack Obama and delivered to the Deep State.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 10:14:41 Brothawolf

abagond,

I thought so too. But there were questions about Trump’s ties to Russia while he was still campaigning, and Hillary’s skeletons came out as well, particularly her emails and superpredator statements.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 13:42:34 nomad

Flynn and Sessions have done nothing out of the ordinary in their contacts with Russian officials.

This is a NeoMcCartheyist witch hunt. While we are investigating Trump, Lets investigate Pelosi, Schumer and Hillary and other Russian collaborators in our government.

“Both Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer’s hypocrisy has just been revealed. They are also caught talking to evil Russians over a cup of coffee.
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We should start an immediate investigation into @SenSchumer and his ties to Russia and Putin. A total hypocrite! pic.twitter.com/Ik3yqjHzsA

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 3, 2017

I hereby demand a second investigation, after Schumer, of Pelosi for her close ties to Russia, and lying about it. https://t.co/ZLTxCuY9qU

— President Trump (@POTUS) March 3, 2017
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All of the above is just the icing to the fake news cake when Hillary Clinton herself talked to Putin inside his “inner sanctum,” and more.”
https://geopolitics.co/2017/03/04/the-trump-is-a-russian-puppet-narrative-is-crumbling-down/

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 15:18:53 resw

@nomad

“Suspicion without proof is the very essence of what is conventionally thought of as conspiracy theory. Propaganda is the treatment of selected conspiracy theory as fact and the propagation of it to influence public opinion, i.e. mind control. This is textbook propaganda.”

+1000. Apparently not when abagond, his campaign colleagues, and his favourite msm networks, NYT, CNN and Univision, do it.

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 15:42:48 nomad

@resw
LOL. There’s more evidence for Pizzagate. Where’s the series of posts on that?

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 17:21:23 Deb

@abagond…“Good point: it may have been a leak, not a hack.”

Even the Changeling slipped up on the hacking lie, calling it a leak. Again from Craig Murray’s blog:

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/01/stunning-admission-obama-wikileaks/

“In fact, the whole Russian angle could turn out to be a red herring. But given how Trump is acting there is something he is hiding.

Secret ties with Russia, by at least some of his people, seems the likeliest explanation at this point.

I know that that is the story the White Liberal press is pushing and that that makes me sound like a dupe. But not everything they say is wrong.”

I believe a “red herring” is exactly what it is, Brother! However, I agree with you that that big top clown is hiding something. I think it’s more likely got to do with them “dolla, dolla bills y’all!” (hence his continued refusal to release his tax returns) — and not only for him, but for the likes of Rex Tillerson, Carl Icahn, et, al who are all looking to line their pockets while we, the people stay distracted with all this Russia BS:

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/17/exxonmobil-state-department/

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/02/crony-capitalism-at-work-trump-adviser-carl-icahn-strong-arms-ethanol-lobby-to-save-his-company-millions/

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/28/donald-trumps-economic-policy-team-is-stacked-with-lobbyists-and-conflicts-of-interest/

And don’t get it twisted, the Democrats from, Bill & Hill, the Changeling and a host of others have been doing the same damned thing! as for the White Liberal press — no, not everything they say is wrong, but since they’re mere establishment “recorders” for access, instead of REAL investigative journalists, I tend to take what they have to say with a grain of salt.

As michaeljohnbarker so succinctly explained above: “There’s nothing beyond some business dealings between billionares. The MSM takes creative liberty with facts for ratings. The whole ship of state is narcissism and lies and is fake and dysfunctional.”

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on Sat Mar 4th 2017 at 21:58:08 Deb

@abagond…Here’s an interesting New Yorker piece by Ryan Lizza that seems more to your point that — “Some see Russiagate as an attempt to remove Trump by the deep state, made up of the CIA, Wall Street, etc, using the White Liberal press to spread fake news. But if that were true, Trump would want to get to the bottom of it. Instead he tries to play it down — as if he is hiding something”:

http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/why-hide-talks-with-sergey-kislyak?mbid=nl_170304_Daily&CNDID=17753256&spMailingID=10551620&spUserID=MTMzMTc5NjY1NDExS0&spJobID=1120288637&spReportId=MTEyMDI4ODYzNwS2

“There is nothing inherently wrong with the fact that Flynn, Sessions, and other Trump advisers talked to the Russian Ambassador. With the Kislyak affair, in which multiple conversations between Trump officials and the Ambassador have been concealed, so far, we have a coverup without a crime…And yet there was something about their contacts with Kislyak that caused both Flynn and Sessions to conceal them. McFaul, while cautioning against overreacting, said that the amount of contact was unusual, more than he had in 2008, as an Obama adviser. But the denial of contact was even more unusual. “Why are they being so deceptive about it?” McFaul asked. “That makes no sense to me at all.”

Peace, Family…

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on Sun Mar 5th 2017 at 01:46:52 Allen Shaw

If these individuals were not a part of President Trumps political team, if there had not been any conversation about Russia hacking the election. If, if!
If General Session had not failed to be total in his response when questioned.
If if if!

Now for those who wish this is a “red herring”, to those who wish this means there is a skunk in the house.

The truth is no one is going to know until the various agencies finish investigating. This has to be fully, carefully without interference done by those who have the capability to prove such things.

In the meantime President Trump should be allowed to try to accomplish some positive goals. So far, everything that his administration has attempted has turned from sugar to s—.

The last I read is they want to separate the children from the adults when people are coming across the border. Good Idea? Many of these people are fleeing nations that have threatened their lives and this is one more aggrieves action against them. How about those people.

The administration has not yet published the new Immigration Policy as far as I can tell.

The President has not publicly expressed his position on any new Health Care Bill.

Some of The Historically Black Colleges and Universities are unhappy with his paper. (At least the President of one of the Morehouse Colleges)

His cabinet is reducing programs that would have protected the environment.

It seems to me that there is plenty going wrong with this administration that people should be concerned about beside what may be true.

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on Sun Mar 5th 2017 at 01:53:18 Allen Shaw

http://atlantablackstar.com/2017/03/03/morehouse-college-president-admits-hbcu-leaders-got-duped-white-house-meeting-trump/

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on Sun Mar 5th 2017 at 05:36:51 dorisjean23

Wonder what Edward Snowden been up to in Russia.

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on Sun Mar 5th 2017 at 05:59:55 Afrofem

@Allen Shaw

Thanks for the Atlanta Black Star link. The comments were well worth the price of admission.

P.S. Trump has no “positive goals” for this country; certainly none for Black people. He and his administration are a wrecking crew bent on total destruction of the USA for fun and profit.

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on Sun Mar 5th 2017 at 08:00:04 nomad

“It seems to me that there is plenty going wrong with this administration that people should be concerned about” rather than idle speculation.

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on Sun Mar 5th 2017 at 12:53:49 nomad

” It is like living in a spy novel”
That’s what Dennis Kucinich said.
(https://youtu.be/wK_YEc5HxFA)

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on Sun Mar 5th 2017 at 22:22:27 nomad

” It is like living in a spy novel”
That’s what Dennis Kucinich said.

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on Sun Mar 5th 2017 at 23:29:11 nomad

Trump says ‘I’ll see your Russiagate and raise you an Obamagate.

Clapper says there was no collusion between Russia and Trump campaign.

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on Sun Mar 5th 2017 at 23:32:39 nomad

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF1VLgEk2_8)

(https://youtu.be/RbEvyBjweC0)

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on Mon Mar 6th 2017 at 14:07:47 resw

@Deb

“From Craig Murray’s blog:”

+1000. Thanks for sharing that. I only wonder why abagond and the msm do not report that. I’ll give abagond the benefit of the doubt; he was unaware. But, it’s troubling he didn’t consider the possibility of an inside leak.

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on Mon Mar 6th 2017 at 14:18:48 nomad

@resw
actually I have mentioned that before. cant remember exactly where. I said it was a leak, not a hack. I think I even pointed to a Washingtons Blog’s post.

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on Mon Mar 6th 2017 at 15:45:36 resw

@nomad

Interesting. So abagond was likely aware of it since you’ve brought it up before but he chooses to ignore it. I guess I understand, if the goal is to remove Trump at all costs. But it’s a shame it has to be done by such deceptive means.

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on Tue Mar 7th 2017 at 17:32:32 nomad

American propaganda can work wonders! It can sway anyone.
Joy Behar: ‘I Love George Bush Now’
BWWWWAAAAHHAAAHHHAAAAHHHHAAAAAA……

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on Wed Mar 8th 2017 at 14:09:15 nomad

Vault 7.
So now we know, even if there were evidence that Russia hacked the DNC, the CIA has tools that they can use to hack and make it look like the hack was made by another culprit, even Russia. A kind of ‘false flag’ hacking.

But I doubt that the CIA would do something that nefarious. It would be illegal.

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on Wed Mar 8th 2017 at 14:25:25 v8driver

Nomad is right this mornin! Wow this is a big deal.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-39203724

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on Wed Mar 8th 2017 at 14:30:47 nomad

I know. right? doesn’t happen often.

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on Wed Mar 8th 2017 at 15:37:10 resw

@nomad

“the CIA has tools that they can use to hack and make it look like the hack was made by another culprit, even Russia”

It still cannot be trusted because Wikileaks and Putin were in cahoots “to hurt Clinton and protect Trump” according to a propagandist I know.

“But I doubt that the CIA would do something that nefarious. It would be illegal.”

I agree, the CIA has a long track record of upholding the highest moral standards.

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on Wed Mar 8th 2017 at 16:03:06 nomad

question. if the cia hacked the fbi, would the nsa know it?

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on Wed Mar 8th 2017 at 17:15:32 resw

@nomad

Just ask Angela Merkel.

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on Wed Mar 8th 2017 at 17:30:12 v8driver

“question. if the cia hacked the fbi, would the nsa know it?”
Ask the uk, where echelon is.

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on Thu Mar 9th 2017 at 00:48:04 nomad

Comey announces the end of privacy. Not your pillow talk with your spouse. They even want your memories!!!
Welcome to the Panopticon.

(https://youtu.be/rofrzWVzJrA).

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on Thu Mar 9th 2017 at 13:00:57 nomad

v8driver
“They know the road by which you came
They know your mother’s maiden name
And what you had for breakfast
And what you’ve hidden in the mattress

Insect politics
Indifferent universe
Bang your head against the wall
But apathy is worse

It’s an inside job
It’s an inside job
It’s an inside job
Yeh, yeah

It’s an inside job
It’s an inside job
It’s an inside job
It’s an inside job

It’s an inside job
It’s an inside job”

Read more: Don Henley – Inside Job Lyrics | MetroLyrics

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on Thu Mar 9th 2017 at 13:48:32 nomad

The President Who Created the CIA Came to Regret It … Said the CIA Was a “Government All Its Own” Which Was Destroying Democracy … “Something the Founding Fathers Didn’t Have In Mind”

Now, as nearly as I can make out, those fellows in the CIA don’t just report on wars and the like, they go out and make their own, and there’s nobody to keep track of what they’re up to. They spend billions of dollars on stirring up trouble so they’ll have something to report on. They’ve become … it’s become a government all of its own and all secret. They don’t have to account to anybody.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/03/president-created-cia-came-regret-said-cia-government-destroying-democracy.html

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on Thu Mar 9th 2017 at 13:56:09 nomad

The CIA’s got no business inside. Hope Trump abolishes them and smashes them into little pieces.

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 06:47:37 abagond

@ nomad

“Vault 7.
So now we know, even if there were evidence that Russia hacked the DNC, the CIA has tools that they can use to hack and make it look like the hack was made by another culprit, even Russia. A kind of ‘false flag’ hacking.

But I doubt that the CIA would do something that nefarious. It would be illegal.”

Why would the CIA try to get Trump elected? It seems like you are just using this deep state stuff to deflect attention away from Russia. At this point you are not even trying to protect Trump but Putin/Russia.

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 06:53:10 abagond

Dave Winer on Vault7

“So predictable, I wrote on Twitter. We must be getting close to the smoking gun in the connection between Trump and Russia. They know it, so now Putin is dumping his oppo research file on the CIA and using his mouthpiece Julian Assange to rep it.”

More:
http://scripting.com/2017/03/10/techpublica.html

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 08:40:30 abagond

@nomad

I said:

” It seems like you are just using this deep state stuff to deflect attention away from Russia. At this point you are not even trying to protect Trump but Putin/Russia.”

I now find out that Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity have said much the same thing, so maybe you are just parroting the talking points of brainless Trumpistas.

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 08:48:53 abagond

Given the timing of the Vault7 dump by WikiLeaks – on the heels of Trump accusing Obama of wiretapping him – it seems that Trump and WikiLeaks are still working in concert.

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 13:20:47 nomad

aint this some crap? two paragraphs into a reply and it just suddenly disappears as i am writing it. ill try again later. wtf? bet it was the cia monitoring my keystrokes.

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 13:24:06 nomad

but for now let me just summarize. Abagond, you are delusional and paranoid.

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 13:26:10 nomad

Trump and WikiLeaks are still working in concert.
What an absurd propagandistic statement.

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 14:41:01 Solitaire

@ Nomad

“bet it was the cia monitoring my keystrokes.”

&

“Abagond, you are delusional and paranoid.”

🙂

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 15:54:53 nomad

Solitaire

@ Nomad

“bet it was the cia monitoring my keystrokes.”

given my proclivity for irony, what you have to ask yourself iswas i serious when i said that?

but why would that be outlandish when it has just been revealed that they are monitoring everything and they are capable of hijacking your keystrokes thru a program iirc known as ‘keystroke’. people who are watching you thru your tv are capable of anything. or are you just going to dismiss what has been revealed by wikileaks and bury your head in the sand?

“Abagond, you are delusional and paranoid.”
Yes he is. And thats no joke.

ps: I’m having a hard time getting comments to post. but that’s just coincidence and no cia, nsa, dnc operatives are monitoring this site to make sure black people are thinking right.

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 16:20:05 Solitaire

@ Nomad

“given my proclivity for irony, what you have to ask yourself iswas i serious when i said that?”

I assumed you were being ironic. I just thought the juxtaposition was funny.

The keystroke program is no surprise, although I was more aware of its use by abusive controlling partners to keep tabs on their victims. Anyone could be spying on you at any time. This is nothing new.

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 17:14:41 nomad

“The keystroke program is no surprise, although I was more aware of its use by abusive controlling partners to keep tabs on their victims. Anyone could be spying on you at any time..”
Is that right? I thought it was a gov surveillance program that could hijack your pc keyboard.

“This is nothing new”
That’s the attitude they want us to have. Become adjusted to your virtual prison.

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 17:22:03 nomad

@Solitaire
btw. something that happened to me several years ago. I copied an article on cia roll in chemtrailing. a note mysteriously attached itself (unbidden) to the article declaring that the air force does not engage in chemtrailing. either these intel monitors are stupid or they wanted me to know that this information (or me) was under surveillance. don’t know why they were disclaiming for the air force, but hey, that’s what happened. maybe it was air force intelligence. but again. the article in question was about cia participation. guess the air force wanted me to know they had nothing to do with it.

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 18:06:22 nomad

simultaneously my blogger blogs became dysfunctional so that I could not edit from the post page or comment on my own blogs. admittedly I had inadequate virus protection at the time. it caused me to switch blogging platforms from blogger to wordpress. I subsequently discovered that the dysfunction was specific to my chrome browser. my blogger blogs work fine on ie or firefox. still today wont work properly in chrome. beware. evil google.

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 23:37:36 nomad

@abagond

abagond
Given the timing of the Vault7 dump by WikiLeaks – on the heels of Trump accusing Obama of wiretapping him – it seems that Trump and WikiLeaks are still working in concert.

That’s farfetched. Like I say, you cant make accusations like that without some kind of reference to back it up. Show me some evidence that they are working together besides coincidental timing. It is worth noting that WikiLeaks had teased Vault 7 for weeks before Trump made his accusation of Obama wiretapping. And nobody even knew that CIA surveillance was what it contained. Not even Trump. Oh wait. I’m sure you have proof Trump knew what was going to be revealed by WikiLeaks.

And Trumps accusation of Obama wiretapping is well within the culpabilities of our CIA molded previous president. Wiretapping is part of his MO. He’s done it before.

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 23:39:28 nomad

He’s done it before..
(https://youtu.be/9qmRYnNNs5w)

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 23:46:55 v8driver

so the unclassified code … i’m just not that into it, but it would be nice in a sandbox, see what it does with a sniffer etc. eh i don’t have time for all that

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on Sat Mar 11th 2017 at 23:50:29 v8driver

actually now that i mention it you could put it in a virtualized environment and or use a router to approximate a ‘perimiter’ and have ‘custom’ dns etc. and even run the other end of it i suppose the ‘c2’ package would be available or is it just the deployable agents that you can get, i reckon the ‘servers’ would be at 2nd degree removal as well for plausible denialability

are you with me so far

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on Sun Mar 12th 2017 at 00:06:21 nomad

no. you lost me at ‘so the…’

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on Sun Mar 12th 2017 at 00:10:48 Afrofem

@nomad

“Trumps accusation of Obama wiretapping is well within the culpabilities of our CIA molded previous president. Wiretapping is part of his MO. He’s done it before.”

What makes Trump’s accusations about Obama wiretapping so very ridiculous is the fact that everyone in this society is under constant surveillance. Moreover, as president, Trump has full access to records and information about who and why a particular person is targeted for extra special attention by the alphabet services (aka “Intelligence Community”).

Trump’s accusations are just an indication of him flailing around in the Oval Office and playing “Blame the Negro”. His base of supporters love those racist memes and he never fails to deliver that type of trash to them.

More misdirection to deflect attention from his incompetence.

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on Sun Mar 12th 2017 at 00:23:17 nomad

So Obama didn’t wiretap him? Is that what youre saying? You could be right. But its not a ridiculous claim at all. Its his, his administration’s if you like, MO. He’s done it before, as Dennis Kucinich can testify.

“Blame the Negro”. Being a Negro does not make one blameless
A guilty Negro is a guilty Negro. If our Negroness made us blameless, there would be a hell of a lot less of us in prison.

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on Sun Mar 12th 2017 at 00:44:36 Solitaire

@ v8driver

Could you rephrase that in Simple Non-Tech English for us non-STEM types?

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on Sun Mar 12th 2017 at 06:13:37 Afrofem

@ nomad

No Obama did not “wiretap” Trump. “Wiretap” is such an archaic term for what goes on now. Every phone call, every letter, every text, every tweet, every social media update, every email, every blog post and comment to those blog posts are intercepted, recorded and analyzed by the alphabet services. With “smart” televisions, electrical meters and the “internet of things” (such as cars and refrigerators), corporations and governments track all of us 24/7.

Americans are awash in an ocean of snooping and pretend that they have reasonable privacy. That includes Trump.

“If our Negroness made us blameless, there would be a hell of a lot less of us in prison.”

High imprisonment rates for Black people have little to do with our guilt or blame. The prison-industrial complex is a system of financial extraction and destabilization. It also serves to keep our numbers down. Without the prison-industrial complex, Black people could easily be twenty percent of the US population instead of ten percent.

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on Sun Mar 12th 2017 at 12:30:07 nomad

‘No Obama did not “wiretap” Trump.’
I’m sure you can prove this, so do it.
Obama does not get a pass just because hes black,

well, he does from a lot of brainwashed people, not me,

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on Sun Mar 12th 2017 at 12:38:25 nomad

@Afrofem
I don’t know whether he did or not. but again, its not a ridiculous claim. and I’m not going to state categorically that he didn’t when he is certainly capable of it and has done it before. if, as you say, wire tapping is so obsolete, why did Obama do it to Kucinich? did you look at the video I posted?

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on Sun Mar 12th 2017 at 12:46:16 nomad

Wikileaks revealed that under Obama, the NSA intercepted conversations of numerous foreign officials, including UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, Angela Merkel, Benjamin Netanyahu, Silvio Berlusconi, and Nicolas Sarkozy.
So it is rather astonishing that so many disregard Trump’s claim that Obama and his aides spied upon him and his staff. There were several means at his disposal for him to do so, and it is increasingly likely that they did so. He apparently sought — twice — to get the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to approve tapping Trump communications, and was turned down once, in June of last year — a rare occurrence as in 10,000 applications in a six-year period only two were rejected. Reportedly the Obama administration tried again, using a slightly modified request and received permission. Heat Street reported this on November 7.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/03/dc_secrets_and_lies.html#ixzz4b7CmRnyu
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on Sun Mar 12th 2017 at 13:49:39 nomad

no no no.
all ive said is its not an outlandish claim.

afrofem is the one who said categorically that it didn’t happen.

as for proof, see the links ive posted.

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on Sun Mar 12th 2017 at 18:03:23 Afrofem

@nomad

My point is that everyone’s communications are intercepted, recorded and analyzed. Everyone.

To me, the issue is not if Obama personally authorized snooping on Trump. As a presidential candidate, Trump was obviously a person of interest. I doubt that Obama personally cared about Trump. The actors most likely to snoop on Trump were the Democratic National Committee (DNC). They always do opposition research and spying. Nothing unusual about that.

If Trump were under extraordinary scrutiny, as the current president he would be able to provide ample proof. He would be able to do so without compromising his sources. He can’t or won’t. I think he is blowing hot air to cover his own incompetence. Not to mention ginning up his racist base.

Classic misdirection.

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on Sun Mar 12th 2017 at 19:15:52 nomad

@Afrofem
I got your point. You just don’t get mine.

“I doubt that Obama personally cared about Trump. ”

I think he cared a great deal. Personally. He even said so. He said he would take it as a personal insult if we (black folk) didnt vote for Clinton. Because his legacy was and is at stake. That’s why he is still trying to undermine and destroy Trump.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/03/obama-first-u-s-president-try-take-successor.html

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on Sun Mar 12th 2017 at 19:33:38 nomad

The source I identified above as well as others indicate that the ‘wiretapping’ did happen.

He apparently sought — twice — to get the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to approve tapping Trump communications

There’s the proof of someone who says he did. Where’s yours that says he didn’t.

Again, my contention was only that the idea of Obama tapping Trump is not ridiculous or outlandish or beyond his evil scheming brain. It’s very likely that he did.

I know, in your mine its impossible to believe that someone as vile as Trump could be right about something, but hey, it happens.

Look how reasonable his words sound when coming out of someone else. Even Abagond had to admit

I thought Donald Trump came across better as a woman – she seemed confident and concerned rather than a loudmouth bully.

(https://youtu.be/ro6vUkit3m8)

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on Sun Mar 12th 2017 at 20:35:55 Afrofem

@nomad

“Because his legacy was and is at stake.”

Okay, I get that point. Don’t all presidents face that dilemma?

I’ve read Washington’s Blog on and off for seven years now. I consider it a trusted resource. Yet, quoting the Daily Mail (a notorious gossip rag from the UK) makes me wonder if there have have been changes behind the scenes.

I think the alphabet services want to stick it to the current president. Not sure if Obama is the tip of the spear on that operation. I’ll keep collecting information on that. Thanks, nomad.

Regarding Obama’s legacy concerns; Obama’s “legacy” was the codification of Bush era abuses into law. That legacy will stay with us for a long time to come. The rest of Obama’s “legacy” included the ACA which was basically a giveaway to the insurance industry and hastily written and enacted executive orders in the last days of his presidency.

Some legacy.

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on Sun Mar 12th 2017 at 20:56:09 nomad

indeed. my followup comment stuck in moderation.
Obama was and is desperate. Trump can potentially bring his criminality to light. Him and Hillary. That’s why they’ve thrown everything at him but the kitchen sink. Why wouldn’t they wiretap him? Desperate people do desperate things.

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 03:53:53 Afrofem

@nomad

“…its impossible to believe that someone as vile as Trump could be right about something, but hey, it happens.”

Good point. As the old saying goes, “even a broken clock is right twice a day.”

I suppose that is one danger of being around a compulsive liar; you tune him or her out and miss the times when they might be presenting facts.

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 09:52:01 abagond

The Obama wiretap thing and the Vault7 Wikileaks dump are meant as a deflection from Russiagate. It is a thief-thief move that points to Trump’s guilt about something having to do with Russiagate, something the investigation would uncover.

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2015/08/24/the-thief-thief-technique/

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 09:59:09 abagond

@ nomad

You have it backwards. It is Trump who is desperate. If Obama was out to get Trump he would have done it BEFORE the election, or at least the inauguration, when he still had actual power.

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 10:07:30 abagond

@ nomad

“He apparently sought — twice — to get the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to approve tapping Trump communications”

This is unlikely to be true because if it were, Trump could easily produce the evidence.

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 12:37:43 nomad

You]re big on IFs. An IF can be followed by any fanciful confabulation. I’m sure you have a name for that kind of faulty reasoning. Where can I find it? “If this then Trump would do the other. Give me something besides biased suppositions.

If you lead a horse to water, beggars would ride.

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 12:47:11 nomad

” If Obama was out to get Trump he would have done it BEFORE the election”
He was out to get him. Him and the MSM. And he couldn’t. Much to his chagrin.
He and the deep state tried everything short of assassination and they even seemed to be considering that, if you want to indulge in wild speculations about what was going on behind the scenes in the Hilllary/Obama/Deep State panic. He tried and couldn’t. Nyah nyah nyah ya.

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 13:46:41 nomad

“This reminds me of the breathless conspiracy theories that Obama was at the head of a Muslim plot to destroy America.”

Of course it does. How soon we forget the series of strange aggressive executive actions made by Obama leading up to the Trump presidency, including removing the head of security at the exact moment of Trump’s inauguration. Among other things.

“he would have done it BEFORE the election, or at least the inauguration, when he still had actual power.”

That he did. That he did.

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 13:48:56 abagond

@ nomad

If the deep state or the MSM were out to get Trump, they would have done it before the election.

Why did the MSM wait till AFTER the election to make the Christopher Steele dossier on Trump public?

Why was FBI Director Comey talking about Anthony Weiner’s laptop and Hillary’s emails without any solid evidence 11 days before the election – but not the FBI investigation into Trump’s advisers?

For you, the CIA, FBI, or the top journalists in the country are not enough to even raise a suspicion about the Dear Leader. But with Obama or Clinton, any old YouTube video or 4chan troll will do. Talk about bias!

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 13:53:29 nomad

I know. Its Truthstream.
(https://youtu.be/6quFfUj2boU)

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 13:55:19 nomad

Nah. It just seems like that from your perspective.

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 14:05:14 nomad

“But with Obama or Clinton, any old YouTube video or 4chan troll will do. Talk about bias!”

who am I supposed to listen to on Clinton and Obama? you?
(chuckle)

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 14:13:14 nomad

One last point. Maybe. I’m not necessarily defending Trump. I’m attacking Obama. I believe he’s capable of anything. You might think “Obama wouldn’t do that.” But I don’t. That’s exactly the kind of thing Obama would do. I say that about the fifth or sixth time now. I lose count. But don’t worry. I never tire of saying it.

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 17:16:54 nomad

@Afrofem

Glen Ford seems to agree with both of us.

When Donald Trump charged that President Obama wiretapped the Republican campaign in the weeks after the November election, the bulk of corporate media chose to treat the allegation as another example of Trump’s “alternative facts.” They trotted out folks like Ben Rhodes, a former deputy National Security Advisor to Obama, who dismissed the charge as ridiculous. “No President can order a wiretap,” Rhodes huffed.

This may be technically true, but it’s an objective lie. Presidents can cause anybody to be spied upon, simply by indicating a desire to see it happen.

https://www.blackagendareport.com/corporate_media_cut_cadence_fascism

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 17:44:55 Afrofem

@nomad

If, as you contend, Obama were out to get Trump, he wouldn’t have to work too hard. Trump is his own worst enemy. His handlers have taken to limiting any unscripted appearances by him. They are fearful of their leader’s mouth, not anything Obama can do to him.

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 18:07:02 Afrofem

I just read an excellent article by Masha Gessen at the New York Review of Books site. Entitled, Russia: The Conspiracy Trap, Gessen sounds the alarm about media obsession with Russian conspiracies causing Americans to lose sight of the real dangers of the Trump presidency. Gessen writes:

“…the Russia allegations will not bring down Trump. He may sacrifice more of his people, as he sacrificed Flynn, as further leaks discredit them. Various investigations may drag on for months, drowning out other, far more urgent issues . In the end, Congressional Republicans will likely conclude that their constituents don’t care enough about Trump’s Russian ties to warrant trying to impeach the Republican president.

Meanwhile, while Russia continues to dominate the front pages, Trump will continue waging war on immigrants, cutting funding for everything that’s not the military, assembling his cabinet of deplorables—with six Democrats voting to confirm Ben Carson for Housing, for example, and ten to confirm Rick Perry for Energy. According to the Trump plan, each of these seems intent on destroying the agency he or she is chosen to run—to carry out what Steve Bannon calls the “deconstruction of the administrative state.”

[…]Trump is doing nothing less than destroying American democratic institutions and principles by turning the presidency into a profit-making machine for his family, by poisoning political culture with hateful, mendacious, and subliterate rhetoric, by undermining the public sphere with attacks on the press and protesters, and by beginning the real work of dismantling every part of the federal government that exists for any purpose other than waging war .

Russiagate is helping him—both by distracting from real, documentable, and documented issues , and by promoting a xenophobic conspiracy theory in the cause of removing a xenophobic conspiracy theorist from office.”

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/03/06/trump-russia-conspiracy-trap/

I agree with Gesson. While we waste time, energy and attention on Democratic party inspired Russian allegations and Trump counter-allegations, Trump and his posse are destroying our country from within. I think we need to keep a focused eye and much pressure on this administration. Time to ignore fanciful conspiracy theories and get to work.

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 18:21:17 Afrofem

Propublica posted a list of Trump Cabinet members who have already lied under oath.

⚑ Scott Pruitt

⚑ Betsy DeVos

⚑ Steve Mnuchin

⚑Tom Price

⚑ Jeff Sessions

https://www.propublica.org/article/five-trump-cabinet-members-made-false-statements-to-congress

They lied while still in the stall, now that the gates are open they are off to the races, pounding our country beneath their hooves.

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 18:31:31 nomad

I certainly agree with that waste of time stuff. I spilled a lot of ink stating and restating the same thing: “Obama’s ‘wiretapping’ of Trump is not an outlandish idea.”

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 18:44:03 Deb

@Afrofem…“[…]Trump is doing nothing less than destroying American democratic institutions and principles by turning the presidency into a profit-making machine for his family, by poisoning political culture with hateful, mendacious, and subliterate rhetoric…Russiagate is helping him—both by distracting from real, documentable, and documented issues…”

Thanks for that link Sister. It covers EXACTLY what I’ve been thinking!

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 19:07:15 nomad

Afrofem

If, as you contend, Obama were out to get Trump, he wouldn’t have to work too hard.

good. he is suited to the task.

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 21:27:34 Afrofem

@ Deb

While Americans are distracted by the show of Trump vs. Obama, etc., the Repubs are still trying to flog that noxious “no-healthcare” bill over the finish line.

According to McClatchy DC,:

“The Congressional Budget Office estimates that 14 million people would lose health coverage in 2018 under the Republican legislation to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.

Additionally, the number of uninsured would rise to 21 million two years later, and then to 24 million by 2026, according to the CBO estimates.

In total, 52 million people would lack health insurance in 2026 under the Republican bill, compared with 28 million under the current law”.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article138249963.html

Of course, one major rub is the lack of a viable replacement bill to help those millions of taxpayers obtain medical coverage. Very little discussion about that.

Also there is the issue of who benefits from the repeal of the [deeply flawed, but functional] ACA/Obamacare. John McDonough, professor at the Harvard School of Public Health pointed out a fact that gets buried under Trump’s shenanigans:

“…the Affordable Care Act is significantly financed—and most people don’t know this—by a major tax increase on wealthy households, both on earned income and on unearned income. And it has been a major target, although they don’t talk about it a lot, of Republicans to repeal these tax cuts.

And just to give you some perspective on this, the bill that the Republicans put out would repeal these taxes. The 400 wealthiest households in America, because of this tax cut, will see annual tax cuts of $7 million per household. The 160 million households with incomes below $200,000 will get zero from this, except some 10 [million] to 20 million will lose health insurance coverage because of this law.

[…] the trend is clear: fewer vulnerable Americans with health insurance and bigger tax cuts for wealthy Americans and for powerful companies.”

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/3/7/the_gop_fix_for_obamacare_rich

Follow the money, not the media. The money trail will lead you to the truth every time.

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on Mon Mar 13th 2017 at 23:10:34 Deb

@Afrofem…“While Americans are distracted by the show of Trump vs. Obama, etc., the Repubs are still trying to flog that noxious “no-healthcare” bill over the finish line.”

Yep, I read this at Roll Call today and it gives a good look at how the Repubs will be selling that sh*t (dolla, dolla bills y’all!):

http://www.rollcall.com/news/cbo-lower-deficit-more-uninsured-under-house-health-plan?utm_name=newsletters&utm_source=rollcallnews&utm_medium=email

“Also there is the issue of who benefits from the repeal of the [deeply flawed, but functional] ACA/Obamacare.”

Deeply flawed is putting it nicely, Sister. Since the punk-a$$ Dumbocrats didn’t pass single-payer for all, I never understood why folk thought the ACA was so wonderful. I mean, if you had no money to get health insurance before, where in the HAYELL did they expect folk to get the money for MANDATED health insurance?? Sure, for those who could pay, having pre-existing conditions nixed was great — and right, but overall, the ACA was nothing but a GIFT to the insurance/pharmaceutical/medical folk who helped write it. Again, dolla, dolla bills y’all.

No schadenfreude intended (well, maybe a little) but, those fools who voted in Cheetos Man will be among those

“Follow the money, not the media. The money trail will lead you to the truth every time.”

No sh*t!!

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 06:27:22 nomad

“Russiagate is helping him—both by distracting from real, documentable, and documented issues…””

and its dangerous, escalating tensions between two nuclear powers for political leverage against Trump. Risking nuclear war based on no evidence for merely internal political reasons.

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 08:06:44 abagond

Republicans are trying their hardest not to connect the dots or even see the dots to begin with, while Democrats are more than happy to connect the dots, even making up some dots or connecting dots that are probably coincidental.

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 08:35:00 abagond

It is a common defence during a scandal to say that it is a distraction from more important issues:

Nixon, April 30th 1973:

“It is also essential that we not be so distracted by events such as this Watergate that we neglect the vital work before us, before this nation, before America, at a time of critical importance to America and to the the world.”

Paul Begala, April 7th 1998, then a top adviser to Bill Clinton (analogous to Steve Bannon):

“[I]n all of my travels I have not heard anybody in America say we’d like to hear more about this. What they say is, we’d like to hear what you’re going to do about tobacco, about Social Security, about balancing the budget, about fixing education, about expanding Medicare, and a patients’ bill of rights, those are the things that we’re working on here at the White House.

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 11:34:03 nomad

abagond
It is a common defense during a scandal to say that it is a distraction from more important issues.

is it also common during a made up scandal?
its not clear which scandal youre talking about. russiagate or obamagate.

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 12:03:27 nomad

@abagond

Trump publicly asked Russia to hack Hillary Clinton, his Democratic opponent in the 2016 US election.

Amazingly, I just noticed this. I guess when I’m looking at something that seems to be propaganda I don’t read too carefully. This is a gross misrepresentation, He was being sarcastic and his sarcasm was based on the presumed hack having already taken place. So he wasn’t “asking” Russia to hack. He was saying ‘I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing in the hack you’ve already presumably committed.
IF, in fact you did.’

“I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican nominee said at a news conference in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

He was taunting a biased press that was eager for the confirmation of
their conspiracy theory. You, and MSM, twisted his statement to make it seem like he was publicly asking Putin to hack Hillary.
It’s bias like that that makes me question everything you say about Trump.

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 14:07:29 abagond

@ nomad

I will check it out. Thanks.

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 14:13:26 abagond

@ nomad

Some scandals are made up, like the Benghazi affair, but that is why you have investigations – to hopefully get to the bottom of it. That applies to both Russiagate and Obamagate.

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 15:47:01 resw

@”Some scandals are made up, like the Benghazi affair, but that is why you have investigations”

This just shows how low abagond will stoop to cover for his boss.

We all know both his boss and Obama got caught in lies about the causes and reactions to the attacks. That’s what the “scandal” was really about. The inability to meet the nearly impossible “willful” standard and the fact that both abagond’s boss and Obama are skilled attorneys who know how not to incriminate themselves, don’t change the lies they told.

I can understand if one calls all this petty or pointless or wasteful, but to say it was “made up” is another of abagond’s MANY lies.

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 15:53:44 Afrofem

@resw

If Abagond is such a prolific liar, why do you comment at this forum multiple times a day?

Why not go to a site where you are in total agreement with the author and comment there?

Or are you just projecting your character onto Abagond?

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 16:10:15 resw

@Afrofem

In fact, there is no requirement to be in “total agreement with the author”
to comment. Since you apparently thought it was, I’ll take that as your admission that you supported and voted for the Democrat nominee just like abagond.

And since we’re asking questions here, why are you defending lies? And, why are you so concerned about what I’m doing? I certainly don’t come outside to corner and tell you how to do your job.

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 16:18:41 Afrofem

@Deb

I noticed in that Roll Call article, they barely touched the issue of tax breaks for the wealthiest 400 American families.

Those are the dolla, dolla bills y’all! that most concern the callous Repubs. They don’t care who suffers or dies as long as their masters are happy and they have a fat payday.

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 16:30:38 Afrofem

@ resw

You are correct. There is no mandate for “total agreement with the author”. That said, if you truly thought this site’s author was awash in mendacity, you would comment at a site more in line with your character and interests—–like a Trump worship site.

Do you really think of hectoring Abagond as “your job”? I am curious? Was that a Freudian slip? Hmmm.

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 16:47:37 abagond

@ resw

Comment deleted for moderated language.

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 16:49:26 resw

And what was that?

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 16:50:42 resw

“That said, if you truly thought this site’s author was awash in mendacity, you comment at a site more in line with your character and interests—–like a Trump worship site.”

I’ve been commenting on this site when the posts were in line with my character and interests for years before its focus SHIFTED to your girl and Trump.

And I guess I could ask why you’re not commenting on a site more in line with your interests in defending racist white men like michaeljonbarker and scribh aka lord of mirkwood.

” I am curious? Was that a Freudian slip? ”

No, I’ve never patronised you at “YOUR job” on the corner.

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 22:54:14 Afrofem

@resw

You are correct in stating that you have commented on the site for years. I found your comments from 2013 to 2015 to be sharp, witty and highly intelligent. I just wonder why you have devolved into a prickly, monotonous, defensive version of that brilliant commenter?

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 23:10:30 resw

@Afrofem

That’s much better than your defending racist white men. But I hope it pays off for ya in more ways than one because being old and lonely can’t be easy.

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 23:16:09 Afrofem

@resw

Are you describing yourself?

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 23:27:17 resw

@Afrofem

No. But I’m sure abagond will join me in thanking you for deflecting from his lie about Benghazi.

I hope this will be the last time, but Afrofem and his or her racist colleagues just can’t help derailing threads with personal attacks when commenters point out facts they don’t want to hear.

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 23:42:20 resw

^Yes, racist white Irish supremacist named scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius, I respond to personal attacks in kind.

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 23:48:56 Afrofem

@resw

Too defensive to answer a single question. Lots of fact free commentary.

So sad….

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on Tue Mar 14th 2017 at 23:55:40 resw

@Afrofem

Good try, but if you could read, I clearly answered your “single question.” But in your usual hypocrisy, you’ve not answered “why are you defending lies? and “why are you so concerned about what I’m doing?”

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on Wed Mar 15th 2017 at 05:52:03 michaeljonbarker

For my amusement:

“I’ve been commenting on this site when the posts were in line with my sock puppet for years before its focus SHIFTED to your girl and Trump.”

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on Wed Mar 15th 2017 at 15:07:54 resw

@”At the very least, in your assortment of lies, you capitalized “Irish.””

And what does my capitalisation of “Irish” have to do with anything, racist white Irish supremacist scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius?

As you know, we have a long record on this blog of you deflecting on threads about racism against blacks to talk specifically about the Irish. That’s why you are aptly labeled a white “Irish” supremacist that you know you are.

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on Wed Mar 15th 2017 at 15:13:52 resw

@michaeljonbarker

Glad you’ve admitted to having a sock puppet. But I’m not sure why you’re involving yourself here. All I did was indirectly refer to you as the racist you’ve already admitted to being:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2016/11/21/normalizing-trump/#comment-360193

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on Wed Mar 15th 2017 at 15:37:34 resw

While abagond should be rushing in to delete his favourite racist white Irish supremacist named scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius’ comment for using a MODERATED WORD, abagond will likely be here any moment with the Kleenex to wipe his white tears instead.

And it’s very telling how my comment calling out abagond’s lie about the Benghazi “affair” caused not one but three of abagond’s “Stronger Together” colleagues to react.

Yet they still pretend they “hate” her…

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on Wed Mar 15th 2017 at 16:18:29 Solitaire

@ ASG-M

“I think it’s different for ethnic slurs – they will be deleted regardless”

No, I can think of some instances where he’s let those stay with asterixes. I think it depends on context and use.

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on Wed Mar 15th 2017 at 16:31:15 v8driver

‘Are ya with me so far?’
Life in the Fast Lane

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on Wed Mar 15th 2017 at 16:40:58 resw

We know that racist white supremacist trolls like scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius have faint memories, and no surprise to see he has suddenly forgotten just how many Bernie groupies like him SOLD OUT and campaigned for the DNC candidate. Even Bernie himself SOLD OUT and campaigned for the DNC candidate.

Now, not one but four of the same “Stronger Together” campaign team that were attacking people telling the truth about their candidate have once again involved themselves here to DEFLECT from abagond’s lie about their candidate’s handling of the Benghazi “affair”.

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on Wed Mar 15th 2017 at 17:04:03 resw

^And the deflection from abagond’s Benghazi “affair” lie (and other lies in his post) continues. No one cares about scribh’s snow or where he’s going.

While abagond needs absolutely no help enforcing his comment policy on me (he does it with lightning speed), I still have to remind him about his own comment policy against talking about another commenter’s “psychiatric condition” (in addition to the use of a moderated word).

But we all know by now there’s one set of rules for the white Irish supremacist named scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius and the “Stronger Together” team, and another for everyone else.

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on Thu Mar 16th 2017 at 13:17:40 abagond

Malcolm Nance, who used to work for Navy intelligence and, last September, wrote a book about Russiagate, “The Plot to Hack America”, told Chauncey DeVega how he thinks this will end:

“I think this will end in impeachment. If it does not, the American system of government will split in two. I mean, like the Democrats will just stonewall and say, “This is treason.” Then you’re going to get the Republicans who will say, “We’re going to use every level of power to go after anyone that doesn’t agree with us.” But at the street level, you won’t see the changes. You’ll still have the right to speak out. There won’t be any arrests like there were in Russia with Pussy Riot. But people who support Trump will do all of that. They’ll come and attack you. They will silence you. There will be self-appointed groups of people and militias that will make it clear that Trump is God.”

More:
http://www.chaunceydevega.com/2017/03/intelligence-expert-malcolm-nance.html

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on Thu Mar 16th 2017 at 13:24:51 abagond

@ Afrofem

“You are correct in stating that you have commented on the site for years. I found your comments from 2013 to 2015 to be sharp, witty and highly intelligent. I just wonder why you have devolved into a prickly, monotonous, defensive version of that brilliant commenter?”

Co-sign.

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on Thu Mar 16th 2017 at 13:39:40 abagond

@ ASGM

Comment deleted for making a remark about another commenter’s psychiatric condition. That is best left to professionals.

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on Thu Mar 16th 2017 at 14:06:43 nomad

““I think this will end in impeachment”
this is a real possibility, but because president pence will be the result, i hope it doesnt happen. that would be like jumping from the frying pan into the fire. whereas nothing good can come from being burned to a crisp, tasty morsels often emerge from frying pans.

its a likely possibility. not that any russia crime actually took place, but because propaganda almost always works. especially on gullible americans.

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on Thu Mar 16th 2017 at 14:13:25 nomad

i love the smell of sizzling deep state and sliced msm in trumps frying fan

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on Thu Mar 16th 2017 at 15:33:45 resw

@abagond

“Co-sign”

Well, it’s a whole lot better than your devolution to drying white tears, defending and enabling your racist colleague scribh aka lord of mirkwood aka xpraetorius, regurgitating msm propaganda and outright lying.

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on Thu Mar 16th 2017 at 15:47:31 Afrofem

@resw

Does your boss pay you per person who unsubscribes to this blog or do you get a salary for lowering page views (and morale) month by month?

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on Thu Mar 16th 2017 at 18:08:15 resw

@Afrofem

No. But whatever the case, it can’t be worse than your shilling and cooning for free.

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on Thu Mar 16th 2017 at 18:13:18 resw

…and abagond doesn’t need any help from me getting unsubscribers and lower page views. He ran away several of his longtime commenters like taotesan and Fan… all on his own.

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on Thu Mar 16th 2017 at 18:46:16 nomad

PCR talks about American propaganda and those gullible Americans I referred to.

American propaganda, bald-faced lies, spread fear of Russia and Putin throughout the American Empire. The Empire’s response to those who confront the propaganda with the facts is to denounce those with the facts as “Russian agents” or “Putin’s dupes.” The hatred of Russia that has been inculcated by the neocons and presstitute media has resulted in Republican Senator John McCain, representing Arizona (to the disgrace of Arizonians), calling on the Senate floor Republican Senator Rand Paul, representing Kentucky, a person who “is now working for Vladimir Putin” for objecting to tiny Montenegro being made a NATO member. http://news.antiwar.com/2017/03/15/sen-john-mccain-rand-paul-is-working-for-vladimir-putin/

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/03/16/nuisance-threat-high-cost-truth-paul-craig-roberts/

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on Thu Mar 16th 2017 at 19:08:16 resw

@”The Empire’s response to those who confront the propaganda with the facts is to denounce those with the facts as “Russian agents” or “Putin’s dupes.””

Funny, that sounds just like what abagond does:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2017/02/13/breitbart-news-diet/#comment-365261

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on Fri Mar 17th 2017 at 06:02:43 nomad

@v8driver

‘Are ya with me so far?’
Life in the Fast Lane

I know. My favorite rock group.

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on Fri Mar 17th 2017 at 06:06:35 nomad

great lines from that song

Didnt see stop sign. Took a turn for the worse.

lol

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on Fri Mar 17th 2017 at 14:31:27 Afrofem

@resw

“…it can’t be worse than your shilling and cooning for free.”

Interesting that you would use the term, “coon”. Abagond wrote a lively post about the uses of that word. The most recent common use is described this way:

“…Charles Barkley, Don Lemon, Stacey Dash, Steven A. Smith, Raven-Symone, Sheriff David Clarke and non-Whites who support Donald Trump…”

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2016/09/12/the-word-coon/

You are an unwavering supporter of Trump, a White Nationalist. No matter your particular ethnic background, who qualifies as a “coon” in this context: a Trump supporter or someone who questions a Trump supporter?

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on Fri Mar 17th 2017 at 15:06:41 resw

@Afrofem

“Interesting that you would use the term, “coon”. ”

It’s also befitting of the behavior of a supposed black woman defending the racism of a white male.

“Abagond wrote a lively post about the uses of that word”

Abagond also wrote a lively post about people who use aliases like “Afrofem”:

“Use a name that seems “black” or “African”, like “Trinidad African” or “Naija Girl”.”

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/black-sock-puppets/

“You are an unwavering supporter of Trump, a White Nationalist.”

Too bad you can’t back up your asinine opinion with any facts.

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on Sat Mar 18th 2017 at 05:52:34 michaeljonbarker

I never found resw’s commentary to be original. Just generic, canned anti racism no deeper then a Google search.

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on Sat Mar 18th 2017 at 13:38:35 resw

@michaeljonbarker

Much better than your usual racist comments “no deeper th[a]n” a stormfront search.

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on Mon Mar 20th 2017 at 12:01:24 v8driver

It was stupid really but i compromised the perimeter and found her mbox file it was locked and reported 0 bytes. I was up for a week. I guess i could write that chapter first. High intrigue!

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on Fri Mar 24th 2017 at 07:48:18 nomad

Trump sez ‘I’ll see your Russiagate and raise you an Obamagate.’

OBAMA OFFICIALS COMMITTED CRIMES SPYING ON TRUMP: Trump Could Indict Obama Officials
(https://youtu.be/PAFQeWQXG7o)

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on Fri Mar 24th 2017 at 12:47:22 nomad

ObamaGate Bombshell – Bigger Than Watergate

This guy was saying that the polls were wrong before the Hillary debacle. So hes got creds.
(https://youtu.be/rFAjp4R6g8g?t=1m29s)

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on Fri Mar 24th 2017 at 14:41:41 nomad

You cant make this stuff up. If the CIA hacked the FBI, would the NSA know about it?

Well apparently THEY can.

CIA leaked proof of Trump surveillance to the FBI. FBI, which of course has domestic jurisdiction, ignored it. Sounds like a conspiracy ta me.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-22/bombshell-cia-whistleblower-leaked-proof-trump-under-systematic-illegal-government-s

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on Sun Mar 26th 2017 at 19:45:19 nomad

the plot thickens

For what benign purpose would U.S. intelligence agents spread secrets damaging to their own president – to foreign regimes? Is this not disloyalty? Is this not sedition?
On Jan. 12, writes Henninger, the Times “reported that Attorney General Loretta Lynch signed rules that let the National Security Agency disseminate ‘raw signals intelligence information’ to 16 other intelligence agencies.”
Astounding. The Obamaites seeded the U.S. and allied intel communities with IEDs to be detonated on Trump’s arrival. This is the scandal, not Trump telling Vlad to go find Hillary’s 30,000 missing emails.
We need to know who colluded with the Russians, if anyone did. But more critically, we need to unearth the deep state conspiracy to sabotage a presidency.
So far, the Russia-connection investigation has proven a dry hole. But an investigation into who in the FBI, CIA or NSA is unmasking U.S. citizens and criminally leaking information to a Trump-hating press to destroy a president they are sworn to serve could prove to be a gusher.
As for the reports of Lynch-White House involvement in this unfolding plot to damage and destroy Trump the real question is: What did Barack Obama know, and when did he know it?

Patrick J. Buchanan
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46729.htm

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on Tue Mar 28th 2017 at 13:03:27 nomad

U.S. Becomes Ungovernable, Elites Blame it on Russians

U.S. rulers are experiencing a “crisis of political governance, a meltdown of the political system,” due to the “collapse of the parties of the duopoly,” said Dr. Anthony Monteiro, the Philadelphia-based Duboisian scholar. The policies and practice of both parties “became antagonistic to the minimal expectations of the masses. ”The elite didn’t see it coming,” said Monteiro. “In order to reestablish their legitimacy, they have to say that the Russians hacked the election and are threatening western ‘democracy,’ itself.” The real crisis is “their inability to govern the country.”
https://www.blackagendareport.com/node/5673

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on Wed Mar 29th 2017 at 10:25:30 nomad

The Surveillance State Behind Russia-gate
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/03/surveillance-state-behind-russia-gate.html

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on Wed Mar 29th 2017 at 13:59:52 nomad

Russian trolls [that’s me, I watch RT] have been supporting Trump since 2015.

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on Wed Mar 29th 2017 at 14:22:52 nomad

“Correlation is cause” is a mark of pseudoscience

“Oleg Erovinkin was found dead in the back seat of his car. He was suspected of helping Christopher Steele, the former British spy who put together the Trump dossier (which lays out the Russian ties).
Five Russian diplomats have died in the four months since the US election, one of them gunned down in public at an art gallery in Turkey.

this is significant, but only if the dead bodies of cronies in the Clinton’s wake is also significant.

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on Wed Mar 29th 2017 at 14:40:43 nomad

“Confirmation bias is where you notice facts that support a belief of yours while tending to overlook those that go against it.”

the other fallacy at work here. where you dig deep for signs trump is working for Russia and ignore evidence that he isn’t. ignore evidence and common sense.

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on Wed Mar 29th 2017 at 14:59:40 nomad

And, ultimately, its a very dangerous and foolish game.

The endgame of the Russia bashers isn’t clear. Do they want to impeach Trump? Or would they rather have him neutralized and discredited, and thus become an easy target in the 2018 and 2020 elections? Regardless of the intended consequence they have opened a hornets nest they are unprepared to deal with. Intelligence agencies are now political pawns and **Democratic bloviating about an “act of war” by Vladimir Putin could very well lead to the real thing.

https://www.blackagendareport.com/is_trump_dnc_hacker

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 00:27:24 abagond

Wow, it looks like RT America finally hired a Black person:

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYXpKIG99I0)

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 04:48:50 nomad

shes been there for a while. as long as ive been watching. there are at least 2 others including an economist Edward Harrison.
“finally hired”
heres ashlee a year ago.
(https://youtu.be/MGyHkCcD_yM)

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 05:00:02 nomad

HA Goodman says correlation does not equal causation.
(https://youtu.be/r4ZURtlYpJ0?t=2m40s)

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 12:43:41 nomad

@abagond
BTW. In the video you posted, Lionel does get to the heart of the Deep State’s and its handmaiden MSM’s animosity towards Trump . He, and only him, poses an existential threat to them. That’s why they are making all of these desperate and transparent assaults upon his presidency. Desperate and dangerous. But then, desperate people do dangerous things, like provoking WW III.

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 13:20:31 nomad

see. your hatred of trump is not the same as theirs. you hate him for his racism. rightly so. they hate him because he threatens their existence. or at least their strangle hold on the American mind.

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 13:36:58 nomad

@abagond
oh. and I betcha ashlee is not a sellout like, say, don lemon. because that’s what you have to be to be a black msm reporter.

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 14:01:28 nomad

@abagond

Yes, RT has one paltry black reporter, one black economic expert, and, just recently, one black supporting comedian/commentator (on Redacted Tonight).
That’s all the black RT staff I’ve seen. But when you balance it all out, I look at it this way. MSM requires black reporters to sellout their own in order to be a part of it. I suspect that’s not true of RT. Everyone there seems to be quite, even very, independent in their thinking. To my way of thinking, one independent thinking black reporter on RT is equal to about 10 sold out black reporters on MSM.

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 15:26:09 resw

@”Yes, RT has one paltry black reporter, one black economic expert, and, just recently, one black supporting comedian/commentator”

Right, and I remember seeing Edward Harrison at least a couple of years ago. So abagond saying “it looks like RT America finally hired a Black person” was him being misleading as usual.

Bloomberg, which I watch regularly, has far more on-air reporters but just 2 black faces, one of which I’ve never seen on air.

CNBC has 1.

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 16:04:29 nomad

lol. I assumed he didn’t know, since he doesn’t watch rt. but that’s hilarious about b-berg and cnbc.

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 16:12:05 abagond

@ nomad

Ashlee Banks is the first and so far only Black employee of RT that I have seen. I have yet to see any Asians. It seems to be a lily-White station.

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 16:19:46 nomad

that’s a big so what. putting a black face or an Asian face on something doesn’t make it better or even less racist. that’s the lesson of our own msm. that’s the lesson of barack Obama. putting a black face on white supremacy didn’t help us one bit. it made things worse. cosmetics means nothing in the final analysis. in the hands of msm and identity politicians its mass deception.

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 16:22:53 nomad

abagond
@ nomad
Ashlee Banks is the first and so far only Black employee of RT that I have seen

The man who hasn’t looked claims he hasn’t seen.

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 16:54:33 resw

@nomad

“The man who hasn’t looked claims he hasn’t seen.”

+1000. SMH…can’t be trusted.

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 17:02:26 abagond

RT America is lily-White. I am not an avid viewer, but I have seen enough of it to know that.

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 17:05:57 abagond

If you want to twist it and make me the bad guy instead of RT, go for it. But it would be better if you could simply prove me wrong.

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 17:17:07 nomad

In a way, this russiagate stuff is late stage Clintonism. Its Obamaism. But Obamaism is a form of Clintonism. Conservative Democrat. Blue Dog Democrat, DINOs. Third way. Whatever. Its Clintonisn. Clintonism was given a mortal wound in the 2016 election, but like a horror movie monster refused to die. What we are witnessing is the final throes of Clintonism, as Hillary resurrects herself while Obama mans the control center. The epic battle, played out through Russiagate and Obamagate between two monsters. Deep State backed Clintonism on the one hand and zenophobic Trumpism on the other.
Godzilla on the one hand. King Kong on the other.

Who to root for?

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 17:25:27 resw

@”RT America is lily-White”

As opposed to what? CNBC, Bloomberg, Fox News, Univision? They’re all “lily-White”.

“If you want to twist it and make me the bad guy instead of RT”

The only one twisting anything is abagond.

“But it would be better if you could simply prove me wrong”

Nomad already proved you were wrong. Edward Harrison, a black man, has been on RT long before Ashlee Banks.

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 17:28:21 nomad

@abagond

If you want to twist it and make me the bad guy instead of RT, go for it. But it would be better if you could simply prove me wrong.

Youre the one that’s got it twisted. The color of the RT folk does not matter to me. I have never disagreed that they are white. Not ‘lily’ white, because there are a couple of black spots. But white. Which is why I didn’t bring up Ashlee and Harrison when you first said RT was white, some time ago. I agree. Basically RT is white. But you are the one who was surprised to see a black face and thought it was a recent addition. Its not. Ashlee has been around for a while. I don’t remember when I first saw her, but she is definitely not new. And that is what I pointed out to you when you said RT had FINALLY hired a black person. She’s been there a long time. And so has Harrison.

How statement of a fact can make you a bad guy, let alone make RT a bad guy, is beyond me. You seem to have a very Manichean outlook when it comes to anything Russian.

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 17:29:54 resw

Abagond’s favourite Univision operates in NYC and Miami, both of which are full of black Hispanics. Where are they on air?

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 17:38:05 nomad

and don’t take my word. go to YouTube. type in Harrison and black chick on redacted tonight.

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on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 18:34:54 nomad

OMG!!! The Bushes are Russian Stooges!!! They even went Fishing with Putin!!!
(https://youtu.be/Q0nkauLrC0w?t=9m10s)

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on Fri Mar 31st 2017 at 13:37:25 nomad

@abagond
“I have yet to see any Asians. ”

RT International
Nadira Tudor seems to have Asian background.
“Due to her contributions to the media world both on and off camera, Nadira won the highly-acclaimed 2015 Asian Professional Award for Media”

Emily Siu

RT America

Manila Chan and Philip Chang (haven’t seen him myself but he’s listed as onair talent)

RT has more Asians than blacks.
https://www.rt.com/onair-talent/

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on Fri Mar 31st 2017 at 15:10:47 resw

@nomad

+1000

@”But it would be better if you could simply prove me wrong”

Better now?

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on Fri Mar 31st 2017 at 15:44:48 nomad

“Deep State backed Clintonism on the one hand and zenophobic Trumpism on the other.
Godzilla on the one hand. King Kong on the other.
Who to root for?”

It’s a tough call. Not really. One evil is much greater than the other. Guess which.

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on Fri Mar 31st 2017 at 18:45:15 nomad

Just saw an RT correspondent with a Hispanic name something hyphen Santiago. seems a couple others with Hispanic surnames.

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on Fri Mar 31st 2017 at 21:16:50 nomad

Now. Back to russiagate. Marble could have played a role in planting Russian fingerprints on DNC “hacks”. Alleged hacks. We don’t know because DNC wont allow the FBI to examine servers. Isnt that strange? I wonder why the FBI doesn’t simply cease them. A crime, allegedly, has been committed. High crime. Cease. Subpoena. Whatever. Hmmmm… I wonder what the FBI would do to the average citizen if one of us refused to turn over evidence in a criminal investigation.
(https://youtu.be/3UfCMWCJsAM)

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on Fri Mar 31st 2017 at 21:18:50 nomad

sieze. cease. either way is fine.

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on Sun Apr 2nd 2017 at 12:26:47 nomad

Obama Officials [Partisans] Made List of Russia Documents To Keep Them Safe

yeah, right. safe from what? to use against who?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama-officials-made-list-of-russia-documents-to-keep-them-safe/ar-BBz7Kcz?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

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on Sun Apr 2nd 2017 at 15:01:59 resw

@nomad

“Marble could have played a role in planting Russian fingerprints on DNC “hacks”. Alleged hacks. ”

Seems CrowdStrike got caught lying, or as propagandists say, “misrepresenting”:

“VOA reported Tuesday that the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), which publishes an annual reference estimating the strength of world armed forces, disavowed the CrowdStrike report and said it had never been contacted by the company.

Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense also has stated that the combat losses and hacking never happened.”

http://www.voanews.com/a/cyber-firm-rewrites-part-disputed-russian-hacking-report/3781411.html

Not sure how much CrowdStrike can be trusted as this point. And what a surprise the msm did not pick up this story.

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on Sun Apr 2nd 2017 at 15:22:32 nomad

oh what a tangled web they weave
those whose job is to deceive

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on Sun Apr 2nd 2017 at 18:49:00 nomad

Obama partisans. Oh what a tangled web they weave.
(https://youtu.be/Ab_gO0gg2xc)

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on Mon Apr 3rd 2017 at 02:03:11 abagond

@ nomad

“Now. Back to russiagate. Marble could have played a role in planting Russian fingerprints on DNC “hacks”. Alleged hacks. ”

So the Deep State faked Russian hacks that benefit Russia, that get Trump elected, but now the same Deep State suddenly wants to bring him down after the election? How does that makes sense?

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on Mon Apr 3rd 2017 at 08:23:57 nomad

benefit Russia how?

no that doesn’t make sense, heres what does.

the alleged attack was used to demonize Russia and tarnish trump. and continue marching us to war with Russia. funny how msm and you avoid the word ‘alleged’.

oh its a tangled web they weave. indeed.

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on Mon Apr 3rd 2017 at 11:50:27 nomad

“So the Deep State faked Russian hacks that benefit Russia, that get Trump elected”

Way to read too much into the faked hack. The purpose was to plant evidence. Not to get Trump elected but to prevent him from being elected, coordinating with Hillary’s red baiting campaign assault. It didn’t work. So they went to plan B. Continue the red baiting assault to cripple Trump. The Deep State never wanted Trump. But now that they have him they want to bring him to heel.

Actually, that may have been plan C. Plan B may have been a Kennedy style assassination on election day, allowing Jeh Johnson to assume the presidency as designated survivor.

(https://youtu.be/Ab_gO0gg2xc?t=4m35s)

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on Mon Apr 3rd 2017 at 13:42:31 abagond

@nomad

” The Deep State never wanted Trump. ”

Then why in the world did they dump emails from the DNC and Hillary’s campaign and not those of the RNC and Trump’s campaign? And if they did not do it then, then why are they not doing it now? Or is the Tooth Fairy stopping them?

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on Mon Apr 3rd 2017 at 14:12:32 nomad

“Then why in the world did they dump emails from the DNC and Hillary’s campaign and not those of the RNC and Trump’s campaign?”

Who said they did. My understanding is that it was a leak. Likely from a Clinton insider.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/12/source-providing-democratic-emails-wikileaks-revealed.html

“not those of the RNC and Trump’s campaign?”

Even if that conspiracy theory is true, maybe they didn’t find any gross criminal conduct from the RNC to dump. You can bet, from the dogged way they were digging, if there were any real dirt on Trump, they would have released it.

The all sides do it argument, or as I call it now, the goosey goosey gander argument, doesn’t always work. The ‘if my side is evil than the other side must be more evil’ argument doesn’t work either.

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on Mon Apr 3rd 2017 at 14:18:47 nomad

They had the Trump campaign under extensive surveillance to boot. And still couldn’t find anything. So they’re making up stuff. Doesn’t matter in this post truth era. Americans will buy anything the Deep State sells. Just like they bought three sky scrapers being knocked downed by two airliners hijacked by superhuman Arabs. Or the magic bullet that killed JFK.

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on Mon Apr 3rd 2017 at 14:30:07 nomad

“The bullet curved, Eric!” -conspiracy theorist, Charles Xavier
(https://youtu.be/ByCY2UYLHG8)

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on Mon Apr 3rd 2017 at 17:05:37 nomad

Yass!!! I’ve said this before!

There seems to be little awareness among these left critics of the history of the term.[41] They seem not to realize that they are employing a propaganda expression, the function of which is to discourage people from looking beneath the surface of political events, especially political events in which elements of their own government might have played a hidden and unsavory role.

https://off-guardian.org/2017/04/03/the-american-left-and-the-reality-of-911-beyond-their-wildest-dreams/

Great idea for a post. History of Conspiracy Theory. I know you have a a post on conspiracy theory but you don’t discuss its origins, provenance and history of the term like you do with some of the subjects you cover, “Attic units” for example. You don’t show how the use of the term has changed over the years. I myself can remember when the term didn’t necessarily mean crazy. Before the advent of the Internet.

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on Mon Apr 3rd 2017 at 18:10:43 resw

@nomad

+1000. Any challenge to the “official” storyline is a “conspiracy theory”. Proof or no proof.

I agree, it’s a great idea for a post but I doubt a propagandist would want to write it.

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on Mon Apr 3rd 2017 at 23:33:23 Ariadne

Totally insane russian hysteria and propaganda….discover more that ”meets an eye” ….http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/03/31/sleazy-origins-russia-gate.html
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/12/cias-absence-conviction/
http://www.4thmedia.org/2017/03/fake-news-the-unravelling-of-us-empire-from-within/
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/2005/pinter-lecture-e.html

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on Tue Apr 4th 2017 at 12:42:45 nomad

Oh our black elected elite were busy trying to stop Trump. Quite admirable, except that it was illegal. Susan Rice spied on Trump for Obama.

Oh what a tangled web they weaved.

(https://youtu.be/8Ftyihr4jmE)

Stay tuned for further developments.

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on Tue Apr 4th 2017 at 21:18:02 abagond

Noam Chomsky on Russiagate:

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3SxLegl2AA)

He says that even if the Russian hacking and the Trump-Russian ties are all true, it is not a big deal. In fact, Trump’s friendlier relations with Russia is the one good thing about him! Especially in light of the NATO buildup along the Russian border, which could lead to a huge war. The Democrats should be far more concerned about all the damaging stuff Trump is pushing through, like his moves to worsen climate change.

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on Tue Apr 4th 2017 at 21:55:36 nomad

now where have I heard that before?

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on Wed Apr 5th 2017 at 13:48:00 nomad

Oh what a tangled web they weaved.

In its last months in office, the Obama administration facilitated massive leaks of Trump team members’ telephone conversations and other raw intelligence. The operation succeeded in creating great clouds of innuendo intended to buttress the totally unproven allegation that Russia and Trump operatives collaborated to meddle in the election process. In deliberating encouraging leaks, former president Obama probably committed impeachable offenses –- that may still be indictable.

https://www.blackagendareport.com/node/5696

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on Wed Apr 5th 2017 at 14:15:24 nomad

What the [Obama] administration did was create the perfect storm for a deluge -a Katrina- of leaks, and that probably is an impeachable offense. I am pretty sure that that is illegal because [the Obama] administration would consider it to be illegal because this is the administration that has prosecuted more people for revealing US government secrets THAN ALL OF HIS PREDECESSORS COMBINED. -Glen Ford

Live by the sword, die by the sword.
“For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

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on Wed Apr 5th 2017 at 14:50:36 nomad

john kiriakou
‘The CIA became politicized during the Obama administration.’

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on Wed Apr 5th 2017 at 20:37:52 abagond

@ nomad

“Oh our black elected elite were busy trying to stop Trump. Quite admirable, except that it was illegal. Susan Rice spied on Trump for Obama.”

Do you, like, get paid extra if you throw a Black person under the bus in your defence of Trump?

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on Wed Apr 5th 2017 at 21:24:15 nomad

Hey, I’m just following the twists and turns of the story. This is whats happening. Perhaps you’d rather not know the up to date developments. Perhaps you’d rather not know how crooked that cadre of black misleaders was.

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on Wed Apr 5th 2017 at 21:44:48 resw

This is yet another of many examples of abagond’s hostility towards commenters who expose truths abagond doesn’t want to hear.

To use one of abagond’s lines, “it would be better if you could simply prove [nomad] wrong”. But he’d rather throw out personal attacks instead.

Shameful indeed.

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on Wed Apr 5th 2017 at 22:15:37 nomad

These black misleaders need to be condemned. That’s what I’m doing. The Obama administration needs to be condemned by black people. Condemned and renounced. That’s what I’m doing. It must be done.

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on Wed Apr 5th 2017 at 23:53:39 abagond

@ nomad

And where better to condemn Black misleadship than on a thread about Trump!

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on Thu Apr 6th 2017 at 00:03:32 v8driver

Was obama getting elected a function of black leadership? Or was he just one to sit down and put his seat belt on? ie. the darling of the white elite set.

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on Thu Apr 6th 2017 at 00:28:58 nomad

And where better to condemn Black misleadship than on a thread about Trump!

Wherever I can. I’m not picky. Check out the Obama Retrospective.

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on Thu Apr 6th 2017 at 00:42:23 nomad

Was obama getting elected a function of black leadership? Or was he just one to sit down and put his seat belt on? ie. the darling of the white elite set.

Good question. It was a function of the Deep State, particularly the CIA, with its perception management programs. He was the last of a dynasty of CIA presidents. He was the ultimate perception management president. Solving problems by changing the way we feel about them. For example. Went to Flint and drank the water. Problem solved.

It was a function of perception management applied thru shrewd marketing and sophisticated PR.
http://adage.com/article/moy-2008/obama-wins-ad-age-s-marketer-year/131810/

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on Thu Apr 6th 2017 at 05:16:37 v8driver

ok nomad… i seem to remember something back before obama regarding rohm emmanuel having gotten a push from somewhere towards ‘bigger and better’ things, but he got enmired in some type of scandal… was it chicago in general?

but obama didn’t help whites’ perception towards… much that i can think of, and trump seems to be a backlash of some degree of tolerance or at least a pause

it’s obvious what abagond thinks about obama, personally i think it would be disingenous to say, well it could have been worse, because any given situation has the potential to get really bad, really fast.

I mean how would trump have handled ferguson (or the next one)?

From what I recall it seemed to be put off onto Michelle for ‘community relations’ and to ’empower’ girls with the ‘STEM’ publicity and wasn’t it something about girls programming computers? etc. etc. maybe the birther thing was a warning so he didn’t stray too far from the campfire…

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on Thu Apr 6th 2017 at 12:06:17 nomad

“I mean how would trump have handled ferguson (or the next one)?”

Exactly the same. No essential difference in policy or action between Barack Obama and any conservative Republican white president. None. The difference would have been us. We would have been protesting that president. Just like we are protesting Trump.

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on Thu Apr 6th 2017 at 12:09:47 nomad

As indicated above, he was worse than all of the conservative white presidents put together on whistleblowers.

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on Thu Apr 6th 2017 at 12:17:42 nomad

@v8
“but obama didn’t help whites’ perception towards…”

Not sure what you mean.

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on Fri Apr 7th 2017 at 16:56:50 nomad

Hmmmm…
Chomsky did say Trump might bolster his support by staging a false flag. I was thinking he was talking domestically. But still, the false flag chemical attack and Trumps retaliation does seem to serve the same purpose. Hillary and the Neocons approve, so no doubt his approval ratings will be rising soon.
https://news.thestreet.com/story/14077795/1/hillary-clinton-called-for-u-s-to-take-out-syrian-airfields-hours-before-trump-ordered-strikes.html

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on Wed May 10th 2017 at 16:20:47 abagond

Update: Yet another one of those Curious Facts: Yesterday President Trump fired FBI Director James Comey.

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on Thu May 11th 2017 at 14:38:44 nomad

round one goes to the deep state. round 2 trump lands devastating blow.

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on Thu May 11th 2017 at 16:52:01 resw

It was very telling how the Acting Director of the FBI responded to Sen. Rubio’s question today about Comey’s firing impeding the investigation: “you cannot stop the men and women of the FBI from doing the right thing.”

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on Thu May 11th 2017 at 20:45:04 nomad

And the way it was done! Without notifying Comey. He could have at least sat down at conference table with Comey and his Deep State colleagues and together enumerate Comeys failings. Concluding with “Youre fired!!!

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on Thu May 11th 2017 at 23:26:55 Deb

@nomad…“He could have at least sat down at conference table with Comey and his Deep State colleagues and together enumerate Comeys failings. Concluding with “Youre fired!!!”

Brother, you funny (but on point as HAYELL)!🤣

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on Thu May 11th 2017 at 23:50:50 nomad

Hi Deb!

It s a reality show presidency.

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on Fri May 12th 2017 at 00:39:16 Deb

@nomad…“It s a reality show presidency.”

Hey Brother! It’s just a more “alabaster” one than the last one…{SMDH}

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on Thu May 18th 2017 at 01:15:23 abagond

Update: Curious Fact #13: Trump passed secrets to the Russians, stuff Israel did not want the US to tell even trusted allies like Britain!

Update: At long last, a special prosecutor has been appointed to get to the bottom of Russiagate: Robert Mueller. He was the FBI director from 2001 to 2013, under Presidents Bush II and Obama, the one right before James Comey.

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on Thu May 18th 2017 at 03:29:20 abagond

Update: And, oh yeah, there is reportedly a memo James Comey wrote right after meeting with Trump on February 14th in which Trump asked him to drop the investigation of Michael Flynn, a key part of Russiagate. If true, that would be obstruction of justice, a crime, enough to get him impeached – even if the whole Russiagate things turns out to be unfounded. “The cover-up is worse than the crime.”

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on Thu May 18th 2017 at 05:04:50 Origin

A whole bunch of insinuations…no evidence. This is going nowhere, I think. Even if Trump has “ties” to Russia that’s not a crime. Obama had ties to Kenya. What are they alleging he did as a presidential candidate that was illegal? They had him under surveillance. Impeach him! What are they waiting for?

I don’t think the point of the circus is to impeach Trump but to make him unpopular with the public by ceaselessly insinuating that he’s another country’s puppet. The Dems are still trying to make the case that Trump is a greater evil than the corrupt DNC long after Americans rejected that argument in an election.

They might get egg on their faces again if the new FBI director, whom Trump will appoint, decides to revisit certain matters relating to the Obama state department under HRC. Comey himself listed several violations but declined to indict after Bill Clinton just happened to meet with then AG Loretta Lynch to talk about grandkids (rolleyes…talk about potential obstruction of justice). I truly suspect there is a minefield of possible criminal activity surrounding this issue. Since a Trump loss was confidently expected I don’t think anyone was too concerned.

This seems like the era of miscalculations (eg. Dems promoting Trump because they thought he was the weakest Republican candidate for HRC to face) and epic backfires (Trump wins election…lol). I’m almost expecting the concocted “Russiagate” to go South for them.

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on Thu May 18th 2017 at 06:50:23 Origin

By the way:

From Comey’s sworn testimony earlier in May:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/03/read-the-full-testimony-of-fbi-director-james-comey-in-which-he-discusses-clinton-email-investigation/?utm_term=.0545719d55a8

HIRONO: Yes. And so speaking of the independence of not just the judiciary but I’d like you to clarify the FBI’s independence from the DOJ apparatus. Can the FBI conduct an investigation independent from the department of Justice. Or does the FBI have to disclose all it’s investigations to the DOJ? And does it have to get the Attorney General’s consent?

COMEY: Well we work with the Department of Justice, whether that’s main justice or U.S. attorney’s offices on all of our investigations.

And so we work with them and so in a legal sense we’re not independent of the department of justice. We are spiritually, culturally pretty independent group and that’s the way you would want tit. But yes, we work with the Department of Justice on all of our investigations.

HIRONO: So if the Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?

COMEY: In theory yes.

HIRONO: Has it happened?

COMEY: Not in my experience. Because it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something that — without an appropriate purpose. I mean where oftentimes they give us opinions that we don’t see a case there and so you ought to stop investing resources in it. But I’m talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason, that would be a very big deal. It’s not happened in my experience.

Comey already testified under oath that he was not told to halt any investigation for political reasons. So are Trump’s opponents alleging that Comey perjured himself then? They really need to make up their mind whether they love or hate this guy…lol

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on Thu May 18th 2017 at 07:02:39 Allen Shaw

Origin: “long after Americans rejected that argument in an election” Mrs Clinton receive almost 3 million more votes then President Trump. The Electoral College is a poor judge of how people felt. It was Mich, OH, PA, FLA and Wisconsin that the electoral votes got screwed by “trumpsters” who believe they are going to get their jobs back. “Make America Great Again – put them blacks in their place”.
The Republican party will not impeach the president.

Have you noticed the number of individuals telling blacks that this is the day of Trump?

Pay attention! The worse thing about President Trump is he is a rabble-rouser.

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on Thu May 18th 2017 at 07:09:10 Allen Shaw

Origin Comey already testified under oath that he was not told to halt any investigation for political reasons.

Wrong read it again. “So if the Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice ”
They are not the President.

Wait for the special prosecutor.

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on Thu May 18th 2017 at 13:35:42 v8driver

It seems to be wearing into a rut over like msm seems to be saying ‘asked comey’ vs ordered cessation of an investigation seems to me that is

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on Thu May 18th 2017 at 13:43:24 v8driver

The dog n pony show brings airtime for erstwhile forgotten congresspeople of course the first one is chuck shumer anyway it also deflects off higher order questions fbi tapping scope echelon trump tower? Etc. Russians. Spies. Someone said israelis now gimme a damn break please!

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on Thu May 18th 2017 at 17:25:11 Origin

@Allen Shaw
The electoral college = rules of the game.

It wasn’t sprung on the participants; they all knew what was required to win. So Hillary spent too much of her time campaigning in states she was guaranteed to win and Trump didn’t waste his time in states he was destined to lose. He campaigned in the states that were in play more heavily than Clinton. As a consequence republicans won Wisconsin for the first time since 1984 and I think Maine’s split electoral college votes when to different parties for the first time in history. Trump actually campaigned in Maine and there was an episode of Rachel Maddow laughing at him for doing it. He had the last laugh.

My point is that everyone knew that excess votes in California and New York would not matter. It would not have mattered whether Trump lost New York by 1 million or 2 million votes. Clinton was always destined to win those areas and Trump made no effort to dent her dominance as it wouldn’t have aided him where it mattered: the electoral college. Trump had a convincing win in the actual contest that everyone knew beforehand and were presumably strategizing around. Intially, I was looking at the popular vote as well, but because of the way the rules inform campaign strategies I have put much less weight on it recently. If nationwide vote counts mattered then Trump would have spent a lot more time campaigning in major blue population centers to try to reduce the gap.

WRT to the Comey testimony, I suppose it could be strictly interpreted that a personal request from the president was not covered by Hirono’s question. However Comey gave quite a broad answer, stating that, if “we were told to stop something for a political reason, that would be a very big deal”. I can’t imagine that it would be a big deal if the DOJ asked but not the President. The only thing that could be gleaned from that is that the President would have been acting within his powers. Since I don’t think that is the case, the spirit of Comey’s response suggests that he was not asked to stop investigating for political reasons by anyone.

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on Thu May 18th 2017 at 17:57:43 Origin

@v8driver
“It seems to be wearing into a rut over like msm seems to be saying ‘asked comey’ vs ordered cessation”

To me, Comey’s previous testimony suggests that he was not put in a situation where he was told to stop an investigation for political reasons. In his response to Hirono he claimed that the DOJ could suggest that they don’t see a case and that would be fine but it would be a big deal for an investigation to be outright killed.

If I have my civics right the DOJ is part of the executive branch of which the president is the head and he picks the attorney general. If it would be fine for the DOJ to give suggestions would it be a illegal for the president to do so? Seems unlikely. I doubt that the president has to be independent from a subordinate in the same branch of government. So from where I sit Comey’s previous testimony suggests:

1) It would be ok for him to get input on a case from the DOJ (and possibly, by extension, the president)

2) He was not forced by the DOJ (and possibly, by extension, the president) to end an investigation.

I suspect Comey’s testimony was carefully considered because he likely received ample “input” from Loretta Lynch on the Clinton email investigation. Her corruption is the gift that keeps giving because they can’t nail Trump on something Comey said was fine.

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on Thu May 18th 2017 at 18:12:36 Origin

“Her corruption” meaning Clinton’s.

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on Fri May 19th 2017 at 04:42:55 Allen Shaw

Origin: America did not abandon Mrs Clinton. She loss on the technicalities.

u may be correct but you are wrong!

There is no consensus for “the Donald” even though he won the electoral count and is president.

To me this is a wasted conversation. You seem to be a pro Trump person; therefore, I have no real response I can give you. You cannot even see the problem with the President interfering with the FBI.

Go back and see what happened to Nixon when he started to think he was all powerful. In this nation, in spite of those of you who do not understand the constitution, and do not understand that the president is secondary to congress, the president cannot mess with the Department of Justice even while he has the legal right to fire anyone in his administration. If he did not want to keep the FBI Director he should have let him go with the others. He made a bad decision and it is going to cause him a lot of pain and may even unseat him.

Sop wasting your time thinking you can figure out what those people with power can and will do.

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on Mon May 22nd 2017 at 18:13:31 resw

This is really heating up. Fox 5 in DC is in hot water for recently reporting exactly what murdered DNC employee Seth Rich’s family investigator had told them:

“In an interview Monday, Wheeler told FOX 5 DC he had sources at the FBI confirming there was evidence of communication between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks. This is the verbatim of that exchange:

FOX 5 DC: “You have sources at the FBI saying that there is information…”

WHEELER: “For sure…”

FOX 5 DC: “…that could link Seth Rich to WikiLeaks?”

WHEELER: “Absolutely. Yeah. That’s confirmed.”

In the past 48 hours, Rod Wheeler has told other media outlets he did not get his information from FBI sources, contradicting what he told us on Monday….On Wednesday…Wheeler responded to our requests…where he now backtracks his position and Wheeler characterizes his on-the-record and on-camera statements as “miscommunication.””

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/254852337-story

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on Tue May 23rd 2017 at 22:04:25 abagond

Update: Former CIA head John Brennan testified before Congress that:

“I encountered and am aware of information and intelligence that revealed contacts and interactions between Russian officials and U.S. persons involved in the Trump campaign.”

He was not sure if it was collusion, but it was clearly something the FBI needed to look into.

Fox News, meanwhile, has at last admitted that it had no facts to back up its Seth Rich conspiracy theory that it has been pushing: that it was Rich, not the Russians, who had given WikiLeaks “thousands of emails.” Snopes debunked it:

http://www.snopes.com/seth-rich-dnc-wikileaks-murder/

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on Tue May 23rd 2017 at 22:45:06 resw

Of course nothing in the snopes article debunks the claim that Seth Rich sent info to Wikileaks. At this point it has become a matter of this “investigator” who was hired, with the Rich family’s blessing, backtracking from his original claim and the MPD calling it a “botched robbery” (which is laughable considering the victim NOT perpetrator was shot execution style)–with no evidence and based on faulty logic.

So we still don’t know if Seth Rich was Wikileaks’ source. But I do, however, wonder why Wikileaks would offer $20,000 for information on some random guy’s murder.

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on Tue May 23rd 2017 at 22:46:22 nomad

Snopes is hardly the final word. When the MSM and its extensions (Snopes) want to cover up somethimg they label it a conspiracy theory. The ‘debunking is premature. Way premature.

Vox, CNN, WaPo, Young Turks and Snopes and rationalwiki are garbage

(https://youtu.be/IxxAPwGAQzs)

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on Wed May 24th 2017 at 00:33:39 Origin

@Allen Shaw
Origin: America did not abandon Mrs Clinton. She loss on the technicalities.

No. She would have lost on technicalities if she had won the electoral college vote and something else disqualified her. Remember, neither party was blindsided by the need to win the electoral college and they would have strategized around this.

So she just lost, period. Trump won most of the counties nationwide it’s just that Clinton won the big blue cities by a wide margin resulting in a popular vote lead. However that’s not what matters and she couldn’t beat Trump in the relevant contest; it wasn’t even close at 232 to 306.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/fbi-russia-hacking-dnc-crowdstrike/

The Democratic National Committee “rebuffed” a request from the FBI to examine its computer services after it was allegedly hacked by Russia during the 2016 election, a senior law enforcement official told CNN Thursday.
“The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated,” a senior law enforcement official told CNN. “This left the FBI no choice but to rely upon a third party for information. These actions caused significant delays and inhibited the FBI from addressing the intrusion earlier.”
This statement is in response to reports that the FBI never asked the DNC for access to the hacked systems.

Why pass up the opportunity to catch those sneaky Russians red handed?

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on Wed May 24th 2017 at 03:09:00 Allen Shaw

@ origin “So she just lost, period. Trump won most of the counties nationwide it’s just that Clinton won the big blue cities by a wide margin resulting in a popular vote lead. However that’s not what matters and she couldn’t beat Trump in the relevant contest; it wasn’t even close at 232 to 306.”

President Trump won in the swing states. That is where the election was always won or lost. That is why they call them the swing states.

President Trump’s win is going to be a total disaster for the people in the swing states.

Those people that voted for President Trump are now going to feel the wrath of winning, when they lose their Medicaid for their families, they lose their food stamps, they lose their Medicare, when they really thought the blacks would be the losers.

Most blacks did not even get the benefits they thought they were getting.

The map of United States today is practically all red.

Yes if you read my comments I have said that Mrs Clinton loss the election; consequently, I do not understand what you are talking about.

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on Wed May 24th 2017 at 05:32:33 Origin

@Allen Shaw
I do not understand what you are talking about

OK, let me clarify. You said Clinton lost “on a technicality” and I said “no”, she lost the way a presidential race is typically lost: not enough electoral college votes. Nothing technical or tricky or way out in left field about it; that’s the way it’s worked for centuries and both candidates knew the rules going in.

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on Wed May 24th 2017 at 06:22:21 Allen Shaw

I see you are going to ignore my comments and repeat the word “technicality” until you are blue in the face.

There is no conversation hear, just you trying to somehow say that I am wrong.

The difference between the votes are very narrow and if the third party had not been involved the results could have been different. The technicality, even thought it is a part of the system is the division of votes with the winner taking all. That is a technicality.

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on Wed May 24th 2017 at 10:59:48 nomad

trump is a catastrophe, that is true. hillary would only have been a disaster

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on Wed May 24th 2017 at 12:56:07 abagond

Molly Knight‏ (@molly_knight) tweeted:

“My name is Sean Hannity and I’m here to tell you not to trust the CIA, the FBI, or the NSA. Now please welcome Kim dot Com to the show.”

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on Wed May 24th 2017 at 13:42:30 nomad

Oooohhhh. So this is whats going on. Hannity stepped out of line. MSM does not allow this kind of speculation. They dont do officially designated conspiracy theories.

Although law enforcement authorities believe Rich was killed in an attempted robbery as he walked home from a bar in Washington, D.C., in recent days Hannity had revived the specious claim that Rich was murdered because he’d leaked compromising information about the Democratic Party to Wikileaks. There is no material evidence to support that claim.
Hannity’s revival of this story coincided with increased attention on President Trump’s alleged collusion with Russia during the presidential campaign. Hannity has maintained that if Rich was, in fact, a leaker, Trump would be absolved of the collusion charge. He has always insisted that Russia had no influence on the outcome of November’s election, despite evidence to the contrary. That evidence goes far beyond the DNC emails someone—almost certainly not Rich —fed to Wikileaks, which published them last summer.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sean-hannity-shelved-fox-news-083253059.html

the official narrative is it was russia not rich. as if already proven. thats how propaganda works. hannity stepped out side the bubble for a moment and hurriedly leaped back in when he saw his job was in jeopardy.

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on Wed May 24th 2017 at 21:19:18 Origin

@Allen Shaw
There is no conversation hear, just you trying to somehow say that I am wrong.

The difference between the votes are very narrow and if the third party had not been involved the results could have been different. The technicality, even thought it is a part of the system is the division of votes with the winner taking all. That is a technicality.

…

Well, yes. I’m right and there is no need for debate. Somehow you’re managing to keep one going though. Your proposed “non-technical” rule that you believe should be used is also “winner takes all”. It’s just that you’re putting all votes from all over the country into one pool and picking the winner [popular vote] while the official method does the same thing but county by county and then the counties are tallied. This helps to keep more sparsely populated counties relevant so they’re not simply ignored by politicians. I guess centuries worth of standard operating procedures become “technicalities” when they don’t benefit HRC and deliberate Espionage Act violations become “ignorance and stupidity” when she’s guilty of them. Go figure.

On Russians being the Wikileaks source, I think evidence should make things clear. So if the people who are pussing the Russia narrative have evidence I’d love for them to share it. My problem is that I’m not seeing any evidence only insinuations. We should really hold all so-called “conspiracy theories” to the same standard and not favor some based on who utters them.

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on Wed May 24th 2017 at 22:28:13 Allen Shaw

@ Origin
The electoral vote is by state. You are so stuck on the thought you have that you ignored my comment. I did not talk about the almost 3 million individual votes. I talked about the swing states, which were very close.

Once again, the winner of the “state” takes all of the electoral votes of that state except for one or two which split the vote.

In reality there was no true mandate.

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on Wed May 24th 2017 at 23:51:25 abagond

@ Origin

“232 to 306.”

This is something Trump keeps saying but it is not true.

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on Thu May 25th 2017 at 00:24:05 Origin

@abagond
I don’t know if Trump is saying it.
That’s the number I found on CNN when I looked it up.
http://www.cnn.com/election/results/president
What are the correct numbers according to your sources?

@Allen Shaw
Clinton was told to kick rocks. It’s less about a mandate for Trump but the fact that Hillary was rejected. Look who she lost to: a completely politically incorrect businessman and reality TV star while she’s a well connected career politician skilled in the art of evasive speech. This should not have happened and very few, if any, talking heads were saying it would have happened before the fact.

My alluding to the election as a rejection of Clinton was the first thing you took issue with when you brought up the popular vote. I stick by it. She’s unpopular and even more so now, after she lost, than in November when some people were hoping that she would beat an alternative they didn’t like. The strategy of endlessly attacking Trump and hoping that people will overlook the obvious Democratic Party corruption is not going to work. It already failed.

Consider that a US Navy sailor was sentenced for taking pictures of the inside of a submarine he was working in for posterity. Now consider the magnitude of HRC’s malfeasance as Secretary of State and the fact that she not only got away scot-free but could have become president. There are a fair number of people who would never under any circumstance have voted for her or the party that propped her up. Pointing out Trump’s flaws will not cure Democrat rottenness. However, they continue to pursue the bogeyman tactic. They could be in for more shocks.

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on Thu May 25th 2017 at 08:22:32 Allen Shaw

@Origin: I now understand. You are like the conservative I communicate with. According to them President Trump has done miracles since taking office.

It is really strange how the conservative still thing it is the blacks that are going to be put back on the plantation, while not realizing that the poor whites are going back to the poverty that only they knew. You do understand the term “resin chew”.

You have the numbers correct, because of the way the electoral votes are passed out. You choose to ignore me when I explain how the count does not actually prove a mandate.
You do no what a mandate is don’t you.
Example;
Ohio 8.129574% Diff Electoral number given to Trump 18
Minnesota 1.520130% Diff Electoral votes given to Trump 10

Less then 1 percent
Pennsylvania 0.724270% Diff Electoral votes given to Trump 20
Michigan 0.223033% Diff Electoral votes given to Trump 16
Wisconsin 0.764343% Diff Electoral votes to Trump 10
Florida 1.198626% Diff Electoral votes given to Trump 29

The District of Columbia (DC) is the only place that had more than 50% for one candidate 86.776347% to Clinton 3 Electoral votes.

Look the numbers up they are interesting.

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on Thu May 25th 2017 at 15:06:10 resw

@nomad

“the official narrative is it was russia not rich. as if already proven.”

+1000

And let’s not forget, the questionable firm DNC hired, instead of letting FBI handle it, falsified information in its original report. Crowdstrike’s source of data, IISS, explicitly accused Crowdstrike of misusing its data and demanded a retraction. Ukraine Ministry of Defense also called out the false information in Crowdstrike’s report.

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on Thu May 25th 2017 at 20:35:59 nomad

as usual ha goodman is on top of this
(https://youtu.be/omOtp1TFAig)

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on Thu May 25th 2017 at 20:48:45 nomad

you can tell how much the ptb fear a subject by the media campaign against it. pulling out all the stops to keep the story from being heard. there was even a terrorist attack. coincidence of course but it did divert our attention. the seth rich story must be some kind of key to revealing high crimes and implicating high people. probably why the dnc wont give fbi access to its evidence…i mean servers.

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on Sat May 27th 2017 at 13:07:06 abagond

Update: The Washington Post reports that:

“Russian ambassador told Moscow that Jared Kushner wanted secret communications channel with the Kremlin”

And that is just the tip of the iceberg since we do not know what secrets he wanted to tell the Russian government without US intelligence knowing.

Jared Kushner is Trump’s son-in-law and right-hand man.

Last night CNN and MSNBC went nuts over this while Fox News (and RT) seemed strangely unconcerned:

More:
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-ambassador-told-moscow-that-kushner-wanted-secret-communications-channel-with-kremlin/2017/05/26/520a14b4-422d-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.1ccdc8ec6fb2)

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on Sat May 27th 2017 at 13:24:22 abagond

@ nomad

“you can tell how much the ptb fear a subject by the media campaign against it. pulling out all the stops to keep the story from being heard. there was even a terrorist attack. coincidence of course but it did divert our attention. the seth rich story must be some kind of key to revealing high crimes and implicating high people. probably why the dnc wont give fbi access to its evidence…i mean servers.”

By the same logic you can say there must be something to Russiagate if Fox News, Trump’s lapdog, had to push this story so hard.

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on Sat May 27th 2017 at 13:40:45 nomad

RT) seemed strangely unconcerned:

prolly cause the source is a propaganda news service which routinely makes false claims about russia and they need to fact check first. nothing strange about it.
(https://youtu.be/E3YFcUgIUWY)

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on Sat May 27th 2017 at 13:47:59 nomad

By the same logic you can say there must be something to Russiagate if Fox News, Trump’s lapdog, had to push this story so hard.

Not really. I dont know what story youre talking about. In any case pushing a story is not the same as covering one up. And I dont do goosey goosey gander. Each story is evaluated on its on merit.

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on Sat May 27th 2017 at 13:53:06 nomad

note. fox is just as eager to coverup the seth rich story as the rest of msm. its all deep state.

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on Sat May 27th 2017 at 13:53:17 abagond

@ nomad

“Not really. I dont know what story youre talking about.”

The Seth Rich story. If Russiagate is propaganda, then so is Seth Rich. You cannot have it both ways.

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on Sat May 27th 2017 at 13:57:01 abagond

@ nomad

“note. fox is just as eager to coverup the seth rich story as the rest of msm. its all deep state.”

Maybe now they do now that they have egg on their face, having had to retract it for lack of facts. But before then Sean Hannity was pushing it hard, almost certainly as a deflection from Russiagate.

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on Sat May 27th 2017 at 14:02:25 v8driver

considering the fbi went to israel to enable its ability to crack apple phones, i doubt ‘not asking for access’ was the same as ‘not accessing’ the servers.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-encryption-cellebrite-idUSKCN0WP17J

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on Sat May 27th 2017 at 14:05:05 v8driver

https://www.occupycorporatism.com/cia-sponsored-trolls-monitor-social-media-interact-with-users-to-discredit-factual-information/

this one is for nomad, this news source is not my normal cup of tea, nor does it proffer anything but inuendo about its actual headline, but…

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on Sat May 27th 2017 at 14:25:59 Herneith

http://herneith.d.pr/OO8DgX

http://herneith.d.pr/ppiNf

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on Sat May 27th 2017 at 14:55:30 v8driver

what if it’s not deep state but some type of disaffected ex-military officers or something the legion of doom but of course bankers have the most to gain from war

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on Sat May 27th 2017 at 14:57:42 nomad

#abagond

Maybe now they do now that they have egg on their face, having had to retract it for lack of facts. But before then Sean Hannity was pushing it hard, almost certainly as a deflection from Russiagate.

Hannity is one person and he was clearly out of step with FOX higher ups. That is hardly FOX ‘pushing hard’.

almost certainly as a deflection from Russiagate.

That’s your assumption. Your assumption, tinted with Russophobia and NeoMcCartheyism. ‘Everything is a deflection from Russiagate’. By that logic, Fox and the rest of MSM should have long ago retracted Russiagate. For lack of facts. The only way to find facts is to investigate, which apparently Hannity was prevented from doing. That is the essence of coverup You have a pronounced double standard regarding all things Russian.

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on Sat May 27th 2017 at 14:58:54 v8driver

but in terms of a more ‘statist’ economy like china, .ru, etc, the arms production companies still get money somehow, even if just for computers and parts? like it’s any different than capitalism idk that’s giving me a headache thinking about soviet tank production etc it’s memorial day weekend though!

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on Sat May 27th 2017 at 15:02:13 nomad

The ugly American
(https://youtu.be/ywLtsxpqFWE?t=2m25s)

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on Sat May 27th 2017 at 15:12:41 nomad

@v8

The bank claims as of now unidentified individuals made these DNS requests to the Trump Organization server (located in Trump Tower) in order to make it look like Alfa Bank servers were trying to communicate with the Trump Organization’s server.
According to Alfa Bank: “The cyberattacks are an attempt by unknown parties to manufacture the illusion of contact between Alfa Bank’s DNS servers and ‘Trump servers’. We have gone to the U.S. Justice Department and offered our complete cooperation to get to the bottom of this sham and fraud.”

what if it’s not deep state but some type of disaffected ex-military officers or something

Could be. Probably that CIA program (Crowdstrike?) that makes cyber attacks look like its coming from somewhere else. Part of the concerted US gov effort to tarnish Russia with false accusations.

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on Sat May 27th 2017 at 15:14:36 nomad

“soviet tank production ”
different era. lol.

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on Sun May 28th 2017 at 01:24:21 nomad

Trying to figure things out without mainstream media’s help. You’ll come out much better if you do.
(https://youtu.be/8QmGu1pXPnE?t=1m15s)

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on Mon May 29th 2017 at 03:31:19 Allen Shaw

“And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.”

JFK

Give this some thought!

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on Mon May 29th 2017 at 12:34:24 nomad

@Allen Shaw
“And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.”

JFK

Give this some thought!

I gave this some thought. I think the best thing we can do for our country is what Carl Herman at Washington’s Blog advocates. Prosecute the criminals that have usurped our government. I don’t really care where you start but I recommend starting with Obama. His list of crimes is tall and would be like opening the rats nest. All the other vermin would crawling out into the light.

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on Mon May 29th 2017 at 12:52:02 nomad

@abagond

The Seth Rich story. If Russiagate is propaganda, then so is Seth Rich. You cannot have it both ways.

this is a recurrent fallacy in your thinking. ‘if one side is wrong the other must be also’

non sequitur and does not follow. whats good for the gander is not always good for the goose. or as i call it ‘goosey goosey gander.

you should do a post on that fallacy.

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on Mon May 29th 2017 at 14:32:15 abagond

@ nomad

You readily point out the trouble with Obama, the MSM and Russiagate, but do not seem to apply the same critical approach to Trump, RT or Seth Rich. They pretty much get a pass for some reason, but you never seem to say why other than “goosey goosey gander”. Thus your double standards remain unquestioned.

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on Mon May 29th 2017 at 14:47:11 nomad

@abagond

They pretty much get a pass for some reason,

Thats a faulty interpretation. I apply the same standard to both sides. It just seems like a double standard to you because you are so embubbled in the MSM matrix. Which is totally one sided. Anything that challenges the matrix seems erroneous to you and the other MSM adherents..

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on Mon May 29th 2017 at 14:50:36 nomad

Speaking of RT and black folk, currently looking at Going Underground covering Zora Neale Hurston. You wont see such things on MSM.

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on Mon May 29th 2017 at 15:03:35 abagond

@ nomad

“Speaking of RT and black folk, currently looking at Going Underground covering Zora Neale Hurston. You wont see such things on MSM.”

Oh please, as if PBS would never do a show on her. In fact, they did, as part of their American Masters series:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/zora-neale-hurston-jump-at-the-sun/93/

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on Mon May 29th 2017 at 15:30:36 nomad

Good for them. Kudos.

But back to the point. We both have different political persuasions that can be proved right or wrong. My point was about the form of argument you always fall back on. “If one side is bad, the other is too” Or rather, from what appears to be your perspective. “If my side is bad your side is to.” Teamism. Tribalism. It does not necessarily follow. It is a complete nonsequitur, since each side must be evaluated on its own merit or lack thereof.

The Seth Rich story. If Russiagate is propaganda, then so is Seth Rich. You cannot have it both ways.

The two statements have no relationship to each other, though they give the illusion.

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on Mon May 29th 2017 at 15:58:17 nomad

You readily point out the trouble with Obama, the MSM and Russiagate, but do not seem to apply the same critical approach to Trump

my hatred is not given freely. it has to be earned. MSM and Obama have well earned my hate. not to fear. the more trump resembles obama. the more i hate him.

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on Tue May 30th 2017 at 12:45:08 nomad

@Allen Shaw
“And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.”

JFK
```
>Give this some thought! 
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” What we can do is demand .01% arrests, and encourage US military to honor their Oaths to refuse unlawful orders (there are no lawful orders for unlawful armed attacks).” -Carl Herman (he’s a lawyer)

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on Tue May 30th 2017 at 12:57:42 abagond

Abagond said:

“The Seth Rich story. If Russiagate is propaganda, then so is Seth Rich. You cannot have it both ways.”

nomad said:

“The two statements have no relationship to each other, though they give the illusion.”

My point is, you call Russiagate propaganda but not the Seth Rich story, even though the evidence for Seth Rich is certainly no better than for Russiagate.

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on Tue May 30th 2017 at 14:13:02 nomad

though the evidence for Seth Rich is certainly no better than for Russiagate.

i do not agree

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on Tue May 30th 2017 at 14:15:07 nomad

btw, what is the evidence for russiagate?

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on Tue May 30th 2017 at 16:35:58 resw

@”btw, what is the evidence for russiagate?”

Just CrowdStrike’s opinion, even though it was caught in at least 2 blatant lies about its allegations of Russian hacking in Ukraine.

I’m not convinced Russian hackers would have been sloppy enough to let CrowdStrike easily identify them. I tend to agree with people like John McAfee who founded the McAfee security software company and said:

“If I was the Chinese and I wanted to make it look like the Russians did it, I would use Russian language within the code, I would use Russian techniques of breaking into the organization,”

Maybe a sophisticated American hacker would do the same, but I’d highly doubt sophisticated Russian hackers would not cover their own tracks.

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on Tue May 30th 2017 at 18:09:49 v8driver

Lol when that TIA dept first came out it was funny .mil sysops coming oit anonymously of course saying there’s something crawling through all my servers, and with any number of ‘blind relays’ who’s to say for sure but all that teaffic crosses into ‘comercial cyberspace’ at some point, don’t underestimate the american civilian ‘knowledge worker’

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on Tue May 30th 2017 at 23:50:12 Origin

@nomad
“Thats a faulty interpretation. I apply the same standard to both sides. It just seems like a double standard to you because you are so embubbled in the MSM matrix. Which is totally one sided. Anything that challenges the matrix seems erroneous to you and the other MSM adherents..”

Exactly. The MSM presents the “Russia collusion” conspiracy theory as fact and some people clearly accept it as a fact that’s yet to be proven. I, and I presume you, treat it the same way as any other allegation. It could be true that Russia hacked the DNC but there’s no clear evidence and the DNC did not cooperate with the FBI so they could do an (hopefully) independent forensic examination of their servers. Furthermore, even if Russia did hack the DNC servers how does that implicate Trump? The fact that Trump might have benefitted from exposure of the DNC’s dirty laundry does not invalidate his presidency unless they can prove that he somehow facilitated the alleged hack. Putin saying he preferred Trump to Hillary is also not collusion, he also preferred Obama to Mccain.

I remember before the election when the links between the Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership, and Uranium sold to Russia in a deal that needed State Department approval (when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State) were disclosed nobody cared, it was all about stopping the bogeyman Trump. That wasn’t the time for “Russia, Russia, Russia”.

When Hillary was under investigation for exposing confidential emails on the internet as Secretary of State while running for president nobody cared, it was all about stopping the bogeyman Trump. She likely did this as a way to hide illegal activity and she actually deleted many emails some of which were later found on her aide’s (Human Abedin) husband’s laptop when they were investigating him for sexting underage girls.

So an IT professional connected to the DNC who was implicated, by Assange, in the leak/hack that lead to the resignation of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was murdered in a robbery in which nothing was taken and nobody cares; it’s all about stopping the bogeyman Trump. Suddenly his family has a spokesman who’s connected to the DNC and they don’t really want their son’s death investigated anymore.

Obviously his death should be thoroughly investigated and under ordinary cirumstances both his employer and his family would have been pushing for that publicly and loudly! Yet, somehow, merely mentioning him sends the MSM into a tizzy. CNN Money has a massively disliked piece on youtube wondering why the “Seth Rich conspiracy” won’t disappear. It’s obvious why it won’t: there are many unanswered questions and people are being chided merely for asking. That creates a “where there’s smoke there’s fire” effect that leads to more speculation.

I don’t want to sound insulting, but I am actually frustrated at how stupid, tribal and easily manipulated people often are. Anyway I shouldn’t say nobody cares because that is changing. On the other hand, I know many people are concerned about the possible destruction of the Democratic Party because of the mental associations they make versus the GOP. However, don’t miss the theme of the age. Trump actually destroyed the established Republicans then took down Clinton.

The only thing that will save the Democratic Party is a cleansing that would actually allow someone like Tulsi Gabbard to run. The problem is that the Democractic Party is revealing itself as a corrupt wolf in sheep’s clothing. The idea of siding with escalating evil because you always believe there is a more evil bogeyman will only cause you to be eventually overcome by a version of evil and totalitarianism that’s waving your favorite color.

If that sounds extreme, note that totalitarian systems often do not call themselves so. Communist China is the “People’s Republic of China” and North Korea is the “Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea”. The German Nazis were the “Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei” or the “National Socialist German Worker’s Party”. The 1979 Iranian revolution against the Shah was supported by the Iranian left and university students and resulted in an authoritarian Islamic Theocracy. In the US today, the extent to which most of the media acts as a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party would make Joseph Goebbels proud. Pervasive Russian manipulation of the US government is the “große Lüge” (Gross-eh Loo-guh or “Big Lie”) and they’re sticking with it. Heck, we’ve even seen Trump as a tentacle monster, the same kind of imagery used in antisemitic propaganda to portray Jews as covertly manipulating everything.

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2017/01/30/mark-bryan-the-nightmare/

Yes, I’m frustrated that our supposed alternative is a worse option than the guy in power even though he is not ideal.

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on Wed May 31st 2017 at 00:52:23 Deb

@Origin…

“The only thing that will save the Democratic Party is a cleansing that would actually allow someone like Tulsi Gabbard to run.

Amen, and Amen again on the necessary “cleansing!”

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on Wed May 31st 2017 at 00:57:27 nomad

+1000
Great analysis.

“An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it”: Mohandas Gandhi

-Russia hacked to help Trump.

The idea of siding with escalating evil because you always believe there is a more evil bogeyman will only cause you to be eventually overcome by a version of evil and totalitarianism that’s waving your favorite color.

“When good does evil in its struggle against evil, it becomes indistinguishable from its enemy.” T.S. Elliot

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on Fri Jun 2nd 2017 at 01:48:01 Origin

@Deb
Indeed. I’d love for investigations to result in indictments and prison time. If not, perhaps the party will become a husk and something will have to replace it.

@nomad
TS Elliot’s quote highlights what makes Kathy Griffin’s latest stunt, a mock ISIS-style ritual beheading of the president, so embarassing for even people on her side of the political divide. The more “sophisticated” among them, the ones that grokk the “rhetorical ethic” have turned on her and condemned her while CNN has ended their relationship with her. However, her art was the purest demonstration of what some were alleging Trump’s opposition had become.

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on Mon Jun 5th 2017 at 18:39:45 nomad

Russiagate perpetrator trolls Megyn Kelly.

We know Putin is lying but this is what the rogue state leader said.

Kelly asked about a dinner in Russia showing Michael Flynn and Putin together at the same table. “What was the nature of your relationship with him,” Kelly asked?
Putin: “You and I have a much closer relationship than with Mr. Flynn,” arranging for the interview taking place.
In Moscow with Flynn, “I almost did not talk to him. I said hello. We sat next to each other. Then I said goodbye and left.”
“This sums up my entire acquaintanceship with Mr Flynn. If (he) and I had this kind of interaction, (like) you and I, we have spent an entire day together, and Mr. Flynn was fired from his job, you then should be arrested and put in jail”

https://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2017/06/mismatch-between-putin-and-nbc-news-host.html

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on Mon Jun 5th 2017 at 22:33:52 Allen Shaw

@Nomad

I have come to the conclusion that nomad should run for President of the US they know all about all and no one else knows anything.

What do you thing anyone would expect Putin to do. He has had many years practicing deceit.

Megyn is an important person to be able to even have an interview with one of the world leaders. No matter what Putin said or did, the world now has witnessed him and his duplicity.

The reference is a blogger with no portfolio! A nobody! What experience has he had on the world political scene.

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on Tue Jun 6th 2017 at 00:08:51 nomad

@Allen Shaw

touchy. did i offend you?
putin said it. not me. im on your side. how dare he make megyn look like a damn fool. she represents you and the rest of russophobic brainwashed living in a fabricated alternate reality americans. she is you. thats why what putin says offends you.

but i didnt say it. im on your side. putin should have kept quiet about that. let lying dogs sleep. i mean let sleeping dogs lie. tiptoe past that medicine cabinet and dont wake the sleeping pills. thats my philosophy.

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on Fri Jun 9th 2017 at 16:02:19 resw

Here’s a recent interview with the former Seth Rich murder private investigator, Rod Wheeler: (https://t.co/vXeJFCW00t)

He claims he got push back when investigating Seth Rich’s employment history and also was denied access to the autopsy report, which he claims never happened before since he’s been investigating murders. He also says he wants to release the results of his investigation, which is being denied by the Rich family.

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on Mon Jun 12th 2017 at 13:12:54 nomad

https://seeker401.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/da7pshaxuaetzgs.jpg?w=1024&h=668

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on Tue Jul 11th 2017 at 15:29:26 abagond

Update (July 11th): New York Times newsflash that I just got on my phone: The Times now has the email to Donald Trump Jr. offering Russian aid to “incriminate Hillary.” His reply: “If it’s what you say I love it.”

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on Tue Jul 11th 2017 at 21:43:47 michaeljonbarker

I dunno. Maybe it’s common for foreign nationals to approach presidential campaigns to try to influence them.

I know Israeli nationals donated to the Clinton foundation on behalf of the Israeli government. I don’t see how this is any different.

One of my biggest critisims of the MSM is their hypocracy in how they cover the news. You would think by the news coverage that this stuff in unique to Trump and all other politians are above this kind of stuff. The truth is they are all corrupt.

As I mentioned in another thread this is “good” in slowing down Trump’s agenda.

Another epiphany I had was that in order to be taken seriously by the political class players must embrace Imperialism. That’s why both parties are so pro war and have the same foreign policy. This is why both parties suffer from Russianphobia and the MSM seems to be a part of this.

They have to keep their Imperial credentials in order.

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on Wed Jul 12th 2017 at 12:38:19 abagond

@ michaeljonbarker

“The truth is they are all corrupt.”

This was an argument I heard back in Watergate days in defence of Nixon and now I am hearing again, this time in defence of Trump.

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on Wed Jul 12th 2017 at 12:47:53 abagond

@ michaeljonbarker

“One of my biggest critisims of the MSM is their hypocracy in how they cover the news. You would think by the news coverage that this stuff in unique to Trump and all other politians are above this kind of stuff. The truth is they are all corrupt.”

I am hugely relieved they are going after Trump. They are SUPPOSED to be adversarial, not People magazine. I was afraid they would want to play nice with Trump once he was in power and leave him in charge of a fake reality show – as they did with Nixon at first.

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on Wed Jul 12th 2017 at 15:17:42 gro jo

Abagond, you. are. funny. Trump the clown is the main reason we aren’t yet, at war with Russia. Were you for LBJ going after Nixon’s presidential campaign for sabotaging peace talks with North Vietnam? Did you even know about it? The only remarkable thing about the Russian electoral interference thing is that it’s being revealed in ‘real time’ instead of thirty or fifty years later, as usual, in a functioning ‘democracy’. POLITICS IS A FULL CONTACT SPORT. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/31/opinion/sunday/nixons-vietnam-treachery.html?mcubz=0

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on Wed Jul 12th 2017 at 23:11:22 Allen Shaw

@gro jo We place people in powerful positions because we need to have a single voice. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”!

We can go back to any any period of time in history and point out the lies, missteps and other blemishes of those who have long since left power behind.

We need to stop thinking in terms of criminal acts when we find out later that they acted as humans do!

I believe the reason we are not at war with Russia is “Mass War is obsolete”! The combat zone today is political and financial.

The United States has placed an amateur in the White House. His administration continues to be incomplete 6 months after he has taken office and many very important positions are still vacant.

Our president is being advised by individuals who have limited knowledge of the vast subjects which need to be attended to. The president can not get people to accept positions in his administration and when they do the congress is unable to move them thru as fast as they need to.

The world does not have to do anything but set back and watch us stew.

Your comments are a subject for a book not current affairs.

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on Thu Jul 13th 2017 at 01:26:49 gro jo

Allen Shaw, you re not obliged to comment if you’re not interested in the subject. I showed that sabotage has been part of the political process for a very long time, can you deny that fact?

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on Thu Jul 13th 2017 at 01:49:59 Afrofem

@ Allen Shaw

“Mass War is obsolete”! The combat zone today is political and financial.”

To know that “Mass War is obsolete”, would be a great comfort to the people of Syria, the Central African Republic, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, The Congo, the Highlands of Burma/Myanmar and Somalia.

At this moment all of them are suffering through very real “mass war”.

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on Thu Jul 13th 2017 at 08:44:52 Allen Shaw

@Afrofem World War I and World War II were mass wars.

I think that U just like to comment back to me because U know what the word “mass” means.

I suppose today you can call just about anything a war.

The change of the word War is somehow baffling. During Vietnam they called it a police action. Congress had to declare “war”.

The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription
Article. I.
Section. 8.
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

Now I am retired and just glance at the comments for what real knowledge there is. It also helps me do research. This is my 6th visit to the constitution.

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on Thu Jul 13th 2017 at 09:08:08 Allen Shaw

@ Gro jo I believe it is far to early for any final word on the actions of individuals of the World War II and aftermath. Just because someone presents some document does not mean the fact are all in place.

Books have been written in the past 10 years about Abraham Lincoln which have corrected earlier books.

Like most subject there are at least two sides. Also people believe what they wish to believe about politics, religion and race.

Do you believe that Ronald Reagan sabotaged Jimmy Carter?
Do you believe Donald Trump is sabotaging the Obama Legacy?

Is it possible that politics is dirty business and doing someone in is just plain standard stuff. “politics ain’t bean-bag” Finley Peter Dunne 1895

Am I violating the rules again, moving the subject to change the subject or whatever it is called?

sabotage
sab·o·tage
ˈsabəˌtäZH/
verb
verb: sabotage; 3rd person present: sabotages; past tense: sabotaged; past participle: sabotaged; gerund or present participle: sabotaging
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1.
deliberately destroy, damage, or obstruct (something), especially for political or military advantage.
synonyms:   vandalize, wreck, damage, destroy, cripple, impair, incapacitate; More
obstruct, disrupt, spoil, ruin, undermine, threaten, subvert
"they were hired to sabotage the competition"
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noun
noun: sabotage
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1.
the action of sabotaging something.
synonyms:   vandalism, wrecking, destruction, impairment, incapacitation, damage; More
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on Thu Jul 13th 2017 at 15:26:27 Afrofem

@ Allen Shaw

Your definitions would hold true if the USA was still a democratic republic that considered the Constitution the law of the land. That is no longer true.

Democratic forms and institutions like Congress, the courts and voting still exist. However, they have been hollowed out. They no longer hold the same substance and meaning they once did in this country’s history.

The President no longer needs congressional approval to wage war of any size or for any reason. Our country has troops on the ground in over 80 countries. Our country is currently bombing (or helping other countries to bomb) people who have never posed a threat to Americans.

Yes, Allen Shaw, it is a real war when bombs and missiles destroy people, homes and infrastructure like water treatment plants, bridges, roads, hospitals and schools. Mass war does not equal real war.

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on Thu Jul 13th 2017 at 22:03:09 Afrofem

Correction:

Mass war is not the only type of “real war”.

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on Tue Oct 24th 2017 at 16:32:37 abagond

Update (October 24th): President Trump missed an October 1st deadline on carrying out sanctions against Russia and will not say why.

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on Sat Dec 2nd 2017 at 14:41:16 abagond

Update (December 2nd): Flynn has flipped, turning state’s evidence, the first of Trump’s inner circle to do so. In Watergate terms, this is the John Dean moment, which came about 13 months before Nixon resigned.

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