The Trump dossier (2016) – hashtag #GoldenShowerGate – was put together by a former British spy in 2016 and made public by BuzzFeed earlier this week. In 35 pages it outlines Russia’s relationship with Donald Trump, its operation to get him elected US president (WikiLeaks was part of it), and the blackmail it holds over his head. Trump won the election and becomes president next week.
Russia says the dossier is a “hoax”.
Donald Trump tweeted:
“FAKE NEWS – A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!”
and used Russia to back his claim:
“Russia just said the unverified report paid for by political opponents is “A COMPLETE AND TOTAL FABRICATION, UTTER NONSENSE.” Very unfair!”
It was paid for by Trump’s opponents, he is right about that. It was opposition research paid for first by supporters of Jeb Bush and then by Democrats.
But it is unlikely to be a hoax. The spy in question is believed to be Christopher Steele, now in hiding. He is well-regarded by both British and US intelligence. Which is presumably why US intelligence thought it important enough to bring to the attention of the president, the president-elect and top lawmakers – even though it was unverified raw intelligence.
The FBI and some in the US press have known about the dossier since before the election, but said little about it. They say it is because they could not tell how true it was. A courtesy they did not extend to Hillary Clinton when it came to WikiLeaks or Anthony Weiner’s computer.
Some of what it says:
- “Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions within the western alliance.”
- Trump “and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals.”
- Russia has compromising information with which it can blackmail Trump, notably a golden shower sex tape of Trump with some call girls. It also has compromising information on Hillary Clinton: phone calls where she opposes her stated public positions.
- Putin wanted both Trump and Clinton to oppose the TPP trade deal. Both did.
- Putin hates and fears Hillary Clinton.
- Putin was behind the DNC hack and the John Podesta emails that appeared on WikiLeaks.
- Trump spies for Putin on Russian oligarchs in the US.
- Trump and Putin were surprised by the backlash in the US when people began to suspect Russian meddling in the election.
- Trump does not mind if the US press looks into his business ties with Russia – there is not much there and it draws attention away from huge bribes and kickbacks in China and elsewhere. His business ties with Russia lie mainly in the future:
- Trump, by way of Carter Page, promised to drop sanctions against Russia in exchange for “up to a 19 per cent (privatized) stake” in Rosneft, the state oil company.
Trump has been acting strangely about Putin and Russia, and the dossier makes sense of that – but maybe too well.
– Abagond, 2017.
See also:
- The Trump dossier (PDF) – read the whole thing
- fake news
- conspiracy theory
- Russia
- The 2016 election for US president
- Donald Trump
- Trump’s media blacklist – BuzzFeed is on the list
- Hillary Clinton 2016
- WikiLeaks
- Donald Trump
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Abagond 
Abagond, you’re singing for your supper aren’t you?
“But it is unlikely to be a hoax. The spy in question is believed to be Christopher Steele, now in hiding. He is well-regarded by both British and US intelligence. Which is presumably why US intelligence thought it important enough to bring to the attention of the president, the president-elect and top lawmakers – even though it was unverified raw intelligence.”
Unverified raw intelligence is another way of saying it’s gossip.
“The FBI and some in the US press have known about the dossier since before the election, but said little about it. They say it is because they could not tell how true it was. A courtesy they did not extend to Hillary Clinton when it came to WikiLeaks or Anthony Weiner’s computer.”
Is the FBI in the pay of Putin, or do they just hate HRC so much?
Have you heard of the Zinoviev letter? “The “Zinoviev letter” was a controversial document published by the British Daily Mail newspaper four days before the general election in 1924. It purported to be a directive from the Communist International in Moscow to the Communist Party of Great Britain.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinoviev_letter
Fraud and hoaxes are part of the US “democratic” system from its inception. Voter fraud is as American as apple pie!
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I think this puts to rest any doubts that abagond engages in the dissemination of DNC and government propaganda.
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This America we live in is amazing. I can imagine not just Russian Americans but the entire Slavic Ethnic American Population is under scrutiny right now. Good job America, you didn’t make it just about the Russian Political Power but all Russian people when you say the “Russians” are involved in Hacking. All of them are to blame…..
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“… you didn’t make it just about the Russian Political Power but all Russian people when you say the “Russians” are involved in Hacking. All of them are to blame…..”
@ TeddyBear
Well duh, of course they are! Since all Asians are math prodigies and exemplary model minorities, and all Blacks are super athletic/scary, criminally minded and lazy, isn’t it likely that all Russians, regardless of their physical location, are extraordinary computer technicians, aka hackers??
I’m not sure if that qualifies Amerika as an amazing place though. Racist, bizarre and stereotypical? YES!!
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None of this, or any valid news about Trump, Putin, China, etc. is understood by the average Trump voter. And that’s just the way he wanted it. They are already having voter remorse, and he isn’t even in office yet.
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@thefansforum
“They are already having voter remorse, and he isn’t even in office yet.”
I’ve seen signs of that, too.
Reminds me of the old saying: “you break it, you buy it”. Unfortunately the 75% of the citizenry that didn’t vote for Trump and the Repubs will have to walk on broken glass for the next eight years thanks to Trump supporters.
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I despise this euphemism “fake news”. Let’s just call it what it is…PROPAGANDA.
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“The Russians are Coming. The Russians are Coming.” – I’m breaking out the popcorn.
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Total propaganda! It’s an obvious bought and paid for shill report by a British spy against America’s elected president. THAT’s borderline treasonous. The reason it wasn’t reported before is because it was extremely questionable and Trump was supposed to have lost anyway. Now, in desperation, they’re throwing everything to see what might stick.
It’s interesting that the same people who’re “concerned” that Trump may have benefited incidentally from leaked information about Hillary – which they questionably claim Russia provided and have no evidence Trump solicited – are OK with a foreign spy being verifiably paid to concoct information about the President-Elect?
They’re desperate to connect Trump to Russia so if there was actual information that he paid a Russian to spy on Hillary the media would have been tearing him apart. Yet his oppositon verifiably did something similar to what his foes wish to pin on him and we’re supposed to view it as credible and aboveboard. The lack of principle and duplicitousness is astounding!
These nasty, mendacious democrats, who’re so hungry for power, have made me more assured that they need to get the hell out. Their astonishing dishonestly and refusal to accept the results of the election suggest that they could be more dangerous than Trump.
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Golden showers? GADAMMIT! Just when I change my avatar too!!!
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This document appears to be nothing more than a cheap form of political agitprop. Goebbels, the Reich Minister of propaganda for Nazi Germany would be proud of such a report.
Moreover, I’m not one that really cares a whole lot about politics. However, since President-elect Rump was chosen, the Demorats have been behaving like a group of vampires in response to suddenly being hit by a dash of glaring sunlight. Quickly, … someone grab a stake!
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Would Putin put the entire colored population of the entire world at risk by backing Trump and his team?
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what we got a week before the inauguration? watch out for flying kitchen sinks.
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“The FBI and some in the US press have known about the dossier since before the election, but said little about it. They say it is because they could not tell how true it was. A courtesy they did not extend to Hillary Clinton when it came to WikiLeaks or Anthony Weiner’s computer.”
Wow. Such a blatantly false equivalence. The dossier is unverifiable hearsay. WikiLeaks and Weiner’s pc were the actual words of Hillary and company. Gossip versus fact. And the FBI had no control over what WikiLeaks released.
” They say it is because they could not tell how true it was”
In Clinton’s case, they coiuld.
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@ nomad
The FBI brought Weiner’s PC into play BEFORE it even checked to see if it had any new emails, much less ones that were damning. It did not wait to look into the matter first. That is NOT the procedure it took with this dossier.
As to WikiLeaks, we do not know to what degree the emails have been cherry-picked, edited or taken out of context. If I went through your emails or eavesdropped on your confidential conversations, I am pretty sure I could create a damning picture of you. And not because of anything wrong you have done, but just because of the abuse such a process lends itself to.
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Oh, please. You would find no high crimes and misdemeanors in my email. But whatever you found would be fact based. Just as with Clinton’s. You can bet that if the Intel community had something factual on Trump, they’d have released it long before the election. Face it. Your girl was a criminal. IS a criminal. WikiLeaks revealed it. That’s why she didn’t get elected. Not because the media was on Trump’s side or because he had help from Russia. Almost the entire corporate media and Google too acted as Hillary’s PR machine. This dossier is just a blatant effort to delegitimize a legitimately elected president. It is seditious and unseemly. And dangerous.
https://off-guardian.org/2017/01/14/34734/
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/
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@ nomad
Then why on Allah’s green earth did they wait till AFTER the election to make the dossier public? With friends like that, who needs enemies?
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@ nomad
On the 2016 threas you said:
So once again, why would they sit on the dossier?
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“So once again, why would they sit on the dossier?”
For the same reason its being rejected by sane people, some on this very thread, today. It’s bs. The Intel Community and MSM are rightly chastised for putting it forward.
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Abagond, I understand what you are trying to do, tar Trump with the Putin’s poodle brush the way he, Trump, tarred Obama with the Kenyan thing. I get the goose, gander angle you’re trying to play here. The only problem is that you’re not the right guy to pull it off. If you must go down that path, you need to amp up the hysteria. You need to start making sh*t up and be a lot shriller than you’ve been so far. It worked for Trump didn’t it?
Pay no mind to hypocrites like nomad and resw, they don’t have a problem with such tactics when it’s applied to Obama or HRC so any complaint from them is just partisan bs. The only objection that I have to such approach, aside from the fact that you don’t strike me as up to the task, is its quixotic nature. There was an audience for the birther thing since it tapped into a deep vein of yahoo racism that the GOP was all too happy to exploit, can you say the same for the Democrats? I have no problem with the “Trump the Traitor” meme, all is fair in love and war.
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I certainly haven’t been following this story closely, but the general impression I get is that most political pundits agree, it’s a blatant attempt to smear Trump. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has disowned the dossier “releasing a 200-word statement to the effect that he was shocked, shocked, that the dossier had found its way into the press. Such leaks, the statement said, “are extremely corrosive and damaging to our national security.”” So the Intel community is backing off.
Daniel Lazare suggests that this may have been an attempt, on their part, to keep Trump from taking office.
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/01/14/the-scheme-to-take-down-trump/
If it was it was a desperate one. Like the Russian hacking accusations no evidence was provided. How could it have been expected to be successful? But that is how desperate the establishment is at this critical juncture. We are a week away so look out for the kitchen sink. These people are capable of anything. And they’re desperate. That’s a dangerous combination.
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there go gro jo. pulling bs out of thin air. cant have a decent conversation without the baseless ad hominem bs. give it a rest gro jo.
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@ gro jo
What does the Zinoviev letter have to do with the topic in question?
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This is interesting and makes sense in picturing the activities of one of some Russian counter-elitarian subgroups aiming to take power after Putin’s voluntary or involuntary resign.
So I wouldn’t say the Trump affair is an entirely Kremlin project; it’s more like a project being performed by Kremlin on behalf of one of many Russian elites’ sub-groups (and, yes, although there are over 100 different languages and nationalities in Russia following several different religions apart from the Orthodox Chrisianity, they are all ‘Russians’ to a foreign observer – just like most of Africans are ‘Blacks’ 🙂 )
The economical partnership between Trump and Russia is OK for me as long as it promotes foreign investments into Russian economy; they were drawn away from the Russian market between 2014 and 2016 in remarcable volume because of Russian internal policy becoming more and more ‘ethnocentric’ then, whatever the meaning of ‘ethnocentricity’ in a country united by a tacit knowledge unarticulatable even for those who share it could be 🙂
What is more interesting to me, however, is which Spanish speaking countries are key players in world economy in the light of the TPP issue.
As for the political tastes of the Americans, or the internal American affairs, these are none of my business.
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a Russian nagpo, we are talking of political frauds, the Zinoviev letter was one of the biggest attempts to sway an election in a particular direction.
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” on Sat 14 Jan 2017 at 18:02:59
nomad
there go gro jo. pulling bs out of thin air. cant have a decent conversation without the baseless ad hominem bs. give it a rest gro jo.”
You mean you don’t like it when the spotlight is on your boy? Get used to it. As for your hypocrisy, let me point out to you that you were on the bandwagon demonizing Obama for eight years, now, all of a sudden, telling lies about a president elect is “…just a blatant effort to delegitimize a legitimately elected president. It is seditious and unseemly. And dangerous.” Where were you the last eight years? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander!
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this is all just presumptions. spotlight on my boy. this is baseless assumptions..
I don’t see no geese. I see some goof blowing smoke. give it a rest.
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Im so happy I found you. New to blogging and I surely love your work!
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nomad. You. Are. Funny. Deny all you want. Write a single thing you don’t like about Trump?
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why does that bother you so? you got trump on the brain? I don’t care what you think of my politics. but quit making stuff up. I’m an advocate of Trump? That’s your delusion. Believe what you will. And my partisanship. What party would that be? All presumptions in your head. I’m not going to debate the issue. I’m just going to say. Give it a rest.
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See, I knew you couldn’t do it. You can’t even say, like everybody else that his hair looks fake! 🙂
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so nice the president makes me look like less of a nut, have a nice day, next friday it is,so glad the intelligence apparachtniks what is plural in russian again? got this, peeing omg have a nice day gtfo
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give it a rest grojo
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Or: Putin knows that Trump will be the downfall of America.
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Anything is possible. This is in the news:
Jewish settler group ‘invited to Donald Trump’s inauguration’ amid concerns over President-elect’s stance on Israel
Yesha Council says it has received invite to ceremony after UN condemns illegal settlements
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/israel-settler-groups-invite-donald-trump-inauguration-ceremony-yesha-council-jewish-settlements-a7525716.html
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v8driver
it’s ‘apparatchik’, not ‘apparatchNik’, and in Russian the word is used mainly for Communist Party bureaucracy.
The Plural is ‘apparatchiki’, just like for any Masculine Animate 🙂
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@gro jo
So far, your implicit statement of the Trump dossier being a hoax has not been proven yet.
Moreover, the dossier, the bullet-pointed facts and the hypotethesis of ties between Trump and [one of the Russian counter-elites in] Kremlin explains a lot about some internal events at my side of the Atlantic Ocean.
So I think it’s more ‘true’ than ‘false’.
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@gro jo
“Pay no mind to hypocrites like nomad and resw, they don’t have a problem with such tactics when it’s applied to Obama or HRC so any complaint from them is just partisan bs.”
Too bad you have no basis for that asinine assumption.
But I am glad to see that you’re back to defending your girl again. She’s lucky to have such loyal supporters like you and abagond. Both of you deserve that Christmas bonus.
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I think it’s all propaganda and here say. Maybe CNN released it now to boost their sagging ratings.
Trump and friends attacked Obama his entire presidency with unsubstantiated rumors about birther, he is a secret Muslim and having affairs.
Rational people don’t take this stuff seriously.
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resw, can you write a single thing you don’t like about Trump?
a Russian nagpo, my take on the Trump dossier is that it’s gossip, rumors spread as facts, like all the crap about Obama being born in Kenya or HRC’s daughter being Webster Hubbell’s child instead of Bill Clinton’s. I have no problem with people spreading that kind of garbage as long as they don’t try to convince me of its veracity. When they do, I give them the resw and nomad treatment. If you have some grand conspiracy theory on Trump, please share it with the rest of us. Let me help you get started. What’s with all the East European babes Trump keeps marrying? Is he running a sex slave racket? Take it away maestro.
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Of all the stuff I have read or seen about the dossier, this is the best I have seen so far, even if it is from “PBS NewsHour”:
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtOTmXTCCbE)
They do not pretend to know how true it is and take a wait-and-see approach.
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@ michaeljonbarker
Then the dossier is a bit of poetic justice. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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@gro jo
” I give them the resw and nomad treatment. ”
You are absolutely right. You do resort to fabricating stories and defending for your girl, which is why I’m so confused.
I thought you and abagond received your last paychecks the Friday after the general election. I had no idea you were still on the payroll.
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Public Service Announcement:
While everyone here debate and peruse over either the veracity or infidelity of this so-called “Trump dossier”, meanwhile, over in the Baltics region, the U.S. government is deploying members of the CIA, Special Forces and nuclear missiles with the intent on threatening Putin’s Russia into conformity to Amerikan satisfaction.
To me, this so-called “Trump Dossier”, whether it is sheer propaganda or true to its very core, really doesn’t matter much. Why? Because it’s simply a distraction tool designed to eschew scrutiny away from Amerika’s provocative military activity taking place on Russian borders.
Even further, while nuclear war looms over all of us through the destruction of humanity, and as instructed from parental oligarchs, the corporate owned, main stream media in the US is noticeably muted. Instead, they’d much rather speak of a supposed “Golden shower gate document.”
Zachariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Zephaniah 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Jeremiah 50:9 For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows (missiles) shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain.
https://sputniknews.com/military/201701121049539376-us-nato-russia-caldicott/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/25/russia-unveils-satan-2-missile-powerful-enough-to-wipe-out-uk-fr/
Now, we will resume our original debate concerning this so called ‘Trump dossier.”
End of public service announcement, Selah!
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@ blakksage
According to the dossier Putin WANTS the US to focus on the Baltics because it draws attention away from Ukraine.
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Trump is fraudulent and this whole election was fraudulent. The Orange Hitler is not my president. He can’t be made normal because you can’t normalize abnormality.
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“According to the dossier Putin WANTS the US to focus on the Baltics because it draws attention away from Ukraine.” – Abagond
Abagond, war and propaganda is ultimately a game of deception to move people in a government desired path. Putin may sell this point within that dossier all he wants to, but personally, I’m not buying it. Who, or what President in their right mind would want a nuclear capable military within the scope of their backyard, uninvited?
During the Cuban Missile Crisis, did President Kennedy say the following to the citizens of this country: We are happy to invite the Soviet Union’s military personnel and missiles in Cuba because it’s too darn cold to conduct military exercises within their own country. Hell no! President Kennedy wanted them out of Cuba because they were too darn close to the U.S. mainland and it made him appear weak.
The U.S. military is conducting military exercises in Lithuania (Baltics), a mere 700 miles from Ukraine. However, rest assured, the real reason seems to be, due to Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014. Russian and Amerikan oligarchs were sparring over this contested region immediately prior to the annexation.
Again, the dossier may hold some truths but it seems to be to be mostly propaganda. The propaganda portion is what seems to be inflaming the U.S. government’s reasoning, whether contrived or not, to perhaps attack Russia or threaten to do so and at the same time delegitimize President-elect Rump as Commander in Chief and how he got to be, all at once.
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I dunno, Trump’s family and inner circle can’t even keep him off of twitter. The idea that Trump can be controlled by the Russians seems like pure fantasy.
What has happened is that a bombastic reality TV star is about to be president of the U.S. That has allowed the MSM to sink to the level of the National Enquire. Fake news is a now a thing but the lines that seperate tabloid news and the MSM no longer exist anymore.
I just saw that FB is going to try a new program to sort what is fake news and what is real news. So social media will become the ministry of truth
Ever since the election I have been in a kind of idiological free fall. I have been re-evaluating my core beliefs but have yet to park. I’m OK wandering in the empty lands.
I have stopped watching the MSM and have focused on healthier things. My mental health has improved and I’m more relaxed and less depressed.
Too much ugly holds you down.
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Reality TV has swallowed up the reality of the US.
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I think the fake news meme has less to do with actual fake news, like the kind produced by Macedonian teenagers, and more to do with not wanting to face up to the full reality of a President Trump. The label “fake news” allows people not to admit to what is going on.
The dossier may or may not be more or less true. We just do not know yet. But calling it “fake news” gives people a way not to take it seriously, to play it down.
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“Fake news” also gives Trump an easy way to weaken a free press and thereby increase his own power and corruption.
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@abagond
“The dossier may or may not be more or less true.”
LOL. Depends on what the meaning of ‘is’ is. “more or less true”.
“So Clapper do you stand by that story?”
Clapper: “It’s more or less true.”
It may or maynot be true puts it in the same category as ufos and lizard men. Conspiracy theory. If we are going to accept this conspiracy as fact why not more important and even critical conspiracy theories such as those of 9ll?
““Fake news” also gives Trump an easy way to weaken a free press and thereby increase his own power and corruption.”
Presuming we have a free press. How free can it be when it just regurgitates government talking points and hides from Americans what is really going on geopolitically? Free press? You must be using the phrase euphemistically.
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Speaking of a free press, this guy just died of a ‘heart attack’ not longer after revealing CIAs control of Western media.
Leading German Journalist Admits CIA ‘Bribed’ Him and Other Leaders of the Western ‘Press’
“I’ve been a journalist for about 25 years, and I’ve been educated to lie, to betray, and not to tell the truth to the public. … The German and American media tries to bring war to the people in Europe, to bring war to Russia. This is a point of no return, and I am going to stand up and say … it is not right what I have done in the past, to manipulate people, to make propaganda against Russia, and it is not right what my colleagues do, and have done in the past, because they are bribed to betray the people not only in Germany, all over Europe. … I am very fearful of a new war in Europe, and I don’t like to have this situation again, because war is never coming from itself, there is always people who push for war, and this is not only politicians, it is journalists too. … We have betrayed our readers, just to push for war. … I don’t want this anymore, I’m fed up with this propaganda. We live in a banana republic, and not in a democratic country where we have press freedom. …”
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/10/leading-german-journalist-admits-cia-bribed-leaders-western-press.html
” The label “fake news” allows people not to admit to what is going on.”
On that I agree. Preparation for war with Russia.
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Preparations, by Obama, Clinton, that Trump has interrupted. But Obama is pressing on anyway, in these final days of his administration. Sanctioning Russia and moving troops to its border. Every provocative action he can manage. It wouldn’t be so urgent if Hillary had won. He would have been sure that she would follow up on the planned war. But with Trump. that’s not so sure. He’s making noises about getting along with Russia. So Obama has to do whatever he can, in these last days, to lock Trump in an adversarial stance against Russia. To continue what Obama started.
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@ nomad
By a “free” press in this case I mean one independent of Trump that can stand up to him and not just mouth his talking points.
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abagond
‘By a “free” press in this case I mean one independent of Trump that can stand up to him and not just mouth his talking points.’
well we certainly have that. but I wouldn’t call it free. I call it controlled. and as far as trump is concerned I call it biased. heavily biased.
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perhaps trump thinks he’s making his own ‘real news’ by proclamation via twitter
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@ nomad
If the dossier in fact came from Steele, which is easy enough to find out, then its claims should be taken seriously. His intelligence in the past has been reliable. He is hardly some YouTuber ranting about lizard men. That does not mean he is necessarily right in this case. It just means his claims are worth looking into to see how true they are. Turning a blind eye to them would be unwise.
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There was a time when all U.S. citizens trusted the MSM. My grandmother told me that her father always trusted what was written in the newspapers because it was “true”. When JFK was president the people trusted what he said about the Cuban missile crisis and he could have rallied U.S. citizens to war if it had come to that. Some in the media knew of JFK’s sexual escapades in the White House but the culture in the media at that time meant not to talk about it.
The Vietnam War was the beginning of the anti war left but that was outside of MSM. But people began to question the media and U.S. foreign policy. By the time the Regan years arrived some anti war left were in MSM which allowed critisim of Regans militarism.
By the time Clinton arrived the media had a liberal Democrat wing and a conservative Republican wing. Foreign policy was pro imperialistic and that was supported in both media wings. Domestic issues like abortion and gun control were hot button issues. The prison complex was built and mass incarceration happened with little media criticism. But tabloids under Clinton began reporting “news” which would get picked up by the MSM and Fox began its rise. Alternative news sources became more legitimate.
Today I would describe the news as being controlled not by conspiratorial Orwellian over lords but by capitalism. In other words there is a market for sensationalism so there is a race for click bait and media share. Some of fake news is about creating content to stay relevant. So there is multiple idiological devides in this country and a market for their consumption. It has devolved to the point where talk about golden showers at the six o’clock news cycle now the new norm.
What was once free speech is now click bait speech. To control free speech would mean controlling the Internet. The greatest threat to freedom in the future would be the publics inability to critically parse what now gets reported as news within our so called “information age. “.
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@v8driver
“perhaps trump thinks he’s making his own ‘real news’ by proclamation via twitter”
Trump certainly thinks so. His supporters also think he is bypassing the “liberal media” and speaking his truth directly to them.
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One thing I mentioned but forgot to expand on was what happen to the anti war left. It certainly wasn’t around under Obama.
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I”f the dossier in fact came from Steele, which is easy enough to find out, then its claims should be taken seriously. His intelligence in the past has been reliable. He is hardly some YouTuber ranting about lizard men. That does not mean he is necessarily right in this case. It just means his claims are worth looking into to see how true they are.”
Yeah, I think they already done that.
Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has disowned the dossier “releasing a 200-word statement to the effect that he was shocked, shocked, that the dossier had found its way into the press. Such leaks, the statement said, “are extremely corrosive and damaging to our national security.”
There is no higher intel authority than this.
“Turning a blind eye to them would be unwise.”
Nobody’s turned a blind eye. MSM has hyped it with salacious glee.
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@blakksage
“The U.S. military is conducting military exercises in Lithuania (Baltics), a mere 700 miles from Ukraine.”
Actually it borders Russian territory, so your point is even more valid.
“However, rest assured, the real reason seems to be, due to Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014.”
Crimea is the probably the least of the West’s concerns. The West has been trying to pull all the former Soviet nations away from Russian economic influence since the fall of the USSR. Ukraine is the most important to the West because of its oil fields and the pipeline.
The Western msm is hiding the fact that this is really a war between Western energy companies like Exxon, Chevron and Shell and Russian giants Roseneft and Gazprom. The US government is facilitating this war with the help of its financed msm and other propagandists like abagond.
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“One thing I mentioned but forgot to expand on was what happen to the anti war left. It certainly wasn’t around under Obama.”
The anti-war movement was purposely decimated by the new creation of designated “protest zones” and the prohibition of photos of dead servicemen & women and photos of coffins returning to Amerika from war zones and the lack of an Amerikan national war protest leader to succeed Cindy Sheehan – all which occurred under Bush 2. War protesters were also designated as unpatriotic non-supporters of the troops supposedly fighting overseas to defend Amerika’s freedoms.
Obomber based his campaign on “CHANGE” and bringing the troops home. By the time he took office the anti-war movement in Amerika had been nullified, never to be (effectively) heard from again. Instead of protesting the war, enraged people began protesting/questioning Obomber’s legitimacy as POTUS.
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the bias here is telling. a story presented with literally no evidence is treated as if it is real news. similar Hillary related stories were relegated to a much higher requirement of proof. for ex the illness stories. although ample evidence was already on the web, with bobbling heads and uncontrollable coughing fits and mental lapses, few here took it seriously until she collapsed on the 911 anniversary. likewise all of the other conspiracy theories surrounding her. none are taken as seriously as this particular tissue thin accusation. conspiracy theory about Clinton.bad. conspiracy theory about Trump. good.
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Most of the media hung itself by being so unabashedly partisan (and pro-Hillary) in the lead-up to the elections. If the media were actually reporting the real story, that Trump had an actual path to the presidency, they might have survived his victory with credibility intact. That same media will be very critical of Trump during his presidency but because of the monumental blow to their trustworthiness and influence that the election result represented, he’ll be largely impervious to their haranguing. Sure, they’ll preach successfully to the choir but if they couldn’t sway people before the elections, they aren’t going to do so after their impotence and irrelevance have already been proven.
This is unfortunate because it means that even verified negative information about Trump (unlike the “golden showers” propaganda) will be viewed with suspicion when it comes from the disgraced media. The fact that the media bet on a horse and lost, thereby allowing Trump to trample them on his way to the presidency, has made him more powerful. Reporting unverified information with questionable sourcing as credible will not help their cause. Trump is already armed and that just hands him a bullet with “you’re fake news” written on it.
Yet, there is an irony in that Trump doesn’t seem to be “loved”. Yes, he has his hardcore supporters but it seems to me that many people have their reservations. To the extent that polls can be believed, some seem to reflect that. However, the disruption to the entrenched political connections and dynasties that he represents seems to carry some weight. The alternative candidate was running on “more of the same, but in a pantsuit” and a fair number of people were not happy with that.
IMO, therein lies Trump’s biggest weakness: being unable to deliver. I think those who unshakably despise him intuitively get this and are secretly, or not so secretly, hoping that he’s a terrible President. From their perspective anyone who cooperates with Trump, even for worthy causes, is betraying the cause of making sure he fails. He gets it too, which is why we see the TPP being killed before he even entered the White House and deals being brokered to keep jobs in the US. Furthermore, his political opponents’ tools to obstruct him are going to be limited because the Democratic Party was trounced and the Republicans have majorities. It’s going to be an interesting four years.
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@ nomad
In that 200-word statement Clapper did not say the dossier was false. He said:
Not making a judgement is not the same thing as making a judgement that it is false.
More:
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/224-press-releases-2017/1469-dni-clapper-statement-on-conversation-with-president-elect-trump
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@nomad
RT, Donald Trump and others are by calling it fake news.
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not making a judgement is lack of endorsement. he also said it should not have been disseminated.
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‘RT, Donald Trump and others are by calling it fake news.’
it certainly looks fake to me.
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Obama’s latest last minute move. Increase the power of NSA surveillance. Just now! Tell me, if he was so concerned about what fascist thing Donald Trump might do, why is he equipping the incoming prez with more surveillance capability? These are some strange last moves. The sanctions against Russia, taking over the election process thru homeland security. removing the head of security the day of Trump’s inauguration.
Obama has really expanded the power of the presidency, giving him the power to kill American citizens or imprison them without trial. These powers he must have known he was passing on to the next inevitably white president. And now, even when he knows who the next guy is, he’s expanding the authoritarian powers even further. Literally just days before leaving office. Taken together, these are some strange machinations.
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@gro jo
I don’t like the mixture of sex and politics; the result is either disgusting at its best, or fascsistic at its worst.
I think I’ve said enough here and I am not having too much free time to give you a free lecture about Russian internal affairs and its balance of power with all its elitarian and counter-elitarian subgroups.
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@nomad
“And now, even when he knows who the next guy is, he’s expanding the authoritarian powers even further. Literally just days before leaving office. Taken together, these are some strange machinations.”
Not so strange if you view the two parties as united in their service to the One Percent. What does the One Percent want? To do anything they wish and not have the pesky citizens of this country get in their way. As far as they are concerned the rest of the population is just here to pay taxes. That is it. Anyone not paying taxes is labeled a “useless eater”. The Dems and the Repubs have a plan to eliminate those sectors of the population that fit that label.
Obama is just doing his part to set the plan in motion. For that he will be richly rewarded.
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@nagpo if you don’t give us a lecture, surely donald trump’s tweets will set the story straight!
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@Afrofem
“Obama is just doing his part to set the plan in motion. For that he will be richly rewarded.”
True that. He has always been the enemy. He used to try to keep it hidden. Here at the end hiding it is not so important. It’s one thing to expand the power of the presidency when you don’t know who the next president will be. That’s bad enough, for the first black president. Because Dem or Rep, the next prez with expanded presidential powers, like extrajudicial assassination, was going to be white. Obama might have assumed before the election that the next prez was going to be Hillary, who would handle these powers ‘wisely’. But now he knows the next prez is a supposed fascist, Hitler even, yet he expands these powers even more. It’s not surprising to me that he did this, but it might surprise some of his followers, especially the ones out in the street protesting the coming of a putative fascist to power. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy.
The other stuff Obama is doing is very strange. The sudden expelling of Russian diplomats. And this is very strange.
“Without explanation and just a week before inauguration, President Obama has suddenly announced he is removing the Major General in charge of the DC National Guard who helped plan and was set to oversee event security that day, effective right in the middle of the ceremony the very minute after Donald Trump is sworn in as president.
The termination is unprecedented and out of decorum with such a high state function taking place,”
“Federalizing” the elections is also strange. Moving troops to the Russian border in strange. when the incoming prez has clearly signaled he wants to normalize relations with Russia. All of this activity in the last weeks of his administration. And you can bet that he was entirely on board with the dossier smear. This is strange. Most outgoing presidents try to facilitate a smooth transition when the other party wins. This one is trying to make things as difficult as possible, especially by threatening war with Russia.
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What I don’t understand …
Why are people blaming Obomber as if he’s the sole individual responsible for broadening the executive branch’s power base?
Obviously he has co-enablers in the other two branches, or he wouldn’t have been permitted to extend the powers of his office – and – it’s not as if Clinton or Bush2 (and those prior to them) haven’t done the same exact thing. All 3 branches are responsible for this, not one individual person. Congress, the Senate, the Supreme Court do not get a pass.
The Amerikan police state is at war, committing the same offenses against the ordinary people: aggressive surveillance, strip searches at schools and airports, police shootings of unarmed Black people, government spying, government lying, censorship, cover-ups, retaliatory arrests, the criminalization of lawful activities, looking the other way when high crimes against the state are committed by people in high places, warmongering, indefinite detentions, SWAT team raids, torture, asset forfeiture and more. Who talks about the constitution anymore? What constitution??
So why are all these anti-Trump people now so concerned about what Trump might do to Amerika? Could they not see the “DANGER AHEAD!” signs posted upon virtually every wall in Amerika that said, in effect – like Humpty Dumpty – Amerika was heading for a perilous fall – eons BEFORE Trump ever considered running for office?? Where was their collective voice then??
Amerika has been primed for any POTUS willing to follow in the same or similar footsteps of other previously (s)elected POTUS … that’s willing to follow orders.
Yeah, Amerika is full of fakery. About 50% of it is found in its people. The other 50% or so might be found in its news medias.
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And this is rich. Outgoing CIA director Brennan upset that Trump compared CIA to Nazis. If the shoe fits. They employed Nazis and adopted Nazi techniques. Why shouldn’t they be compared to Nazis? Guess the comment hits too close to home. Reflects too much truth.
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@Fan
“Why are people blaming Obomber as if he’s the sole individual responsible for broadening the executive branch’s power base? ”
He’s the one that most pretended to be a friend of the people, especially black people. I want to disabuse black people of that notion. Judging by the way they are celebrating his legacy and crying over his departure, most are still not aware. Don’t realize he’s every bit the fascist as the one they’re protesting.
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@nomad
I was talking to my mother and my sister yesterday. They had no idea that Obama had murdered US citizens (Anwar al-Awlaki and his son). I just assumed they knew.
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And Obama has done a lot of it. Arrogating the right to kill American citizens is beyond anything any other president has done. That’s a huge expansion of power. Unparalleled.
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These people who are protesting Trump’s inauguration. Who would they have in his place? Bernie would be better, but that ain’t going to happen. Hillary? Worse than Trump. Biden, though actually also worse than Trump, would seem a better replacement to most. Maybe that’s why Obama awarded him the Medal of Freedom last week. A way of anointing him as the default, should Trump be removed. Another of those last minute flurry of Obama moves.
Why doesn’t he do something useful with his final days?
Presidents are known for giving pardons in their final days. You think Obama might pardon Manning, Snowden or Assange before he leaves? The president that has prosecuted more whistle blowers than all other previous presidents combined? Will Trump beat that record? Will Obama pardon Hillary before he leaves office?
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Forgot Pence. The worst of all possible alternatives.
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This is why I can’t get behind the extreme Trump opposition especially since alternatives are scarce. IMO, people are too concerned with personalities. Just as some were irrational in their support for Obama and their expecting the world from him, they are just as irrational in viewing Trump, the individual, as the embodiment of all that is evil. How did a man who is seventy years old and has been in the public eye for decades, having been praised by individuals such as Jesse Jackson, suddenly become such a grave menace who’s going to send us to gas chambers?
This is a perception that was created by exaggeration of his obvious flaws in order to ensure and accentuate the drama of Hillary’s victory. We know from the DNC emails that they definitely wanted him to be propped up in the media. Evil would have been vanquished as the first female president rose to power and all the pundits would have pat themselves on their backs. Somehow things did not go according to plan and we are just left with a ghostly and extreme hysteria.
Yet, had Trump not won, the dangers Clinton represented in the presidential office would have been largely ignored by the left just as Obama could do no wrong. Mrs “I’m with Her” had developed a cult of personality around herself and there is a mirrored cult of hate that follows Trump. They hate Trump as much as they loved Hillary. But it’s primarily about politics and personality not principle. Trump presents, possibly deliberately, an “unsophisticated” persona in the sense of Marima Ani’s “rhetorical ethic”. His apparent directness is not culturally valued and is seen as characteristic of lower classes. As such, he’s viewed as a lout by opinion makers as much as he may appeal to the common man. However, people with properly manicured “images” are quite free to do everything that it is feared that Trump might do with the blind support of celebrities and others who consider themselves “cultured”.
So in my mind this whole affair has unmasked the underlying hypocrisy of the Democratic Party. The danger is not centered on one person but in institutions and powerful groups. It seems evident to me that Trump represents a BLOW to a faction of those interests or else he would not be so thoroughly opposed by powerful people. They are not beyond playing on our fears, whether justified or not, to advance their aims. You won’t find me out there protesting on the 20th. I hope he safely and peacefully takes the presidency. No thanks to President Pence. (I believe that the VP pick was entirely strategic; throwing a bone to a certain segment of the Republican base.)
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“How did a man who is seventy years old and has been in the public eye for decades, having been praised by individuals such as Jesse Jackson, suddenly become such a grave menace who’s going to send us to gas chambers? ”
Bernays might know.
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@v8driver
Just wait before Kremlin starts to negate its participation in events that didn’t happen yet. Like bribing all white American cops.
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Ok nagpo
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@Origin
Yeah. Not sure where you live but neither here nor offline have I come across any of these supposed Hillary Clinton worshippers that you and the rest of the Trump Non-Fan Club keep referring to. Even though I, like most US commenters here, live in blue counties.
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‘Yeah. Not sure where you live but neither here nor offline have I come across any of these supposed Hillary Clinton worshippers that you and the rest of the Trump Non-Fan Club keep referring to. Even though I, like most US commenters here, live in blue counties.’
Good point. Since the Clinton worshippers don’t so much worship her as hate her but vote for and defend her anyway. They ardently defend her and everything she does. Even though they hate her. Rather than a cult of personality they should be called the Hillary Non-Fan Club.
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@”neither here nor offline have I come across any of these supposed Hillary Clinton worshippers”
I guess you haven’t looked in a mirror lately nor have you read your campaign colleagues’ or your white racist master’s comments.
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nomad wrote: “You think Obama might pardon Manning, Snowden or Assange before he leaves?”
He just did, are you going to praise him for it?
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Obama commuted Chelsea Manning’s sentence. http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/17/politics/chelsea-manning-sentence-commuted/
Will Trump pardon Snowden or Assange?
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@nagpo some over here say its russia vs china now, how dialectical!
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@gro jo
no because he shouldnot have imprisoned him in the first place. its a spiteful pardon not releasing him til may. is just cosmetics. do a few miniscule good things and let your fans magnify them as evidence that you were progressive. that should make you less disgusting in my eyes, but it doesn’t. because its a token gesture. you’ve got to pardon a bunch more people to change my opinion.
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“Will Trump pardon Snowden or Assange?”
you just said he did. which is it?
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praise him for stop torturing manning? already in frail psychological condition. extend the imprisonment for 6 months. attempted suicide I think. sounds a little sadistic.
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Russia is sure seemingly trying to make some moves, so to speak; it’s like a new cold war now with the new depliyment of forward armor and much in sure that is hidden but it seems likw its spiling over into dem vs rep.
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Wasnt trump tweeting about being on camera in foreign hotels before samantha bee came forward or who ever scooped it important fact to check
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what a great week. the end of the age of Obama. with no Hillary aftertaste.
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@v8driver
‘Russia vs China’ also means ‘Russia vs Trump’, which ist actually quite opposite to the state of things as described by some of internal observers in the United States.
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“Yeah. Not sure where you live but neither here nor offline have I come across any of these supposed Hillary Clinton worshippers”
Not everyone who voted for HIllary is a member of that group but, yes, it exists. I also did not say that everyone who hates Trump loved Hillary. My point was the focus on personality which puts someone like Obama in an advantageous position and makes Trump easy to hate. (I was responding to someone’s, probably Fan’s or nomad’s, comment on what Obama was able to get away with.)
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“I also did not say that everyone who hates Trump loved Hillary.”
Reading the original post back, I see that was actually a reasonable interpretation of what I said. So to clarify, I don’t think Trump haters and HIlary worshippers are the same exact people although there is clearly some overlap. Rather, I was comparing the intensity of focus on the individual, whether it’s adoration or hate. This allows the broader issues to fly under the radar.
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@nagpo trump saying he wants jobs back in the us is explicitly taking a swipe at china so i dont follow it seems like a tautology.
New russians tanks this year too, huh?
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@nagpo hostile takeover, like?
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@v8driver
Dunno about the new Russian tanks and how to bring them to the other side of the Atlantic ocean in a low-cost way Perhaps some climate control weapon with some Nibiru reptiloides recruited by KGB to become infiltrated into the White House Administration would suffise.
If not, then the Chinese communist banks with Russian gouvernment investments for bribing American cops and middle-level officials would bring the New Russian Order (though it lookse more like chaos from the inner perspective). Something of the above would work, I guess.
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not another one with the greys and reptilians!
i stand corrected, it says 2015 model year
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http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/us-tanks-roll-into-germany-to-bolster-nato-deterrent
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Trump never criticizes Netanyahu either. Or many foreign heads for that matter. mainly americans. and mainly those that attack him first. Who can blame him for that? Oh, right. The fake left.
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“Not sure where you live but neither here nor offline have I come across any of these supposed Hillary Clinton worshippers that you and the rest of the Trump Non-Fan Club keep referring to.”
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@ Abagond,
Has the murky mists and fogs of fakery that swirls around you … much like it has to one of your own favorite acolytes, his wee lordship, who has changed his name in order to distance his participation from his longstanding record of embarrassing/shameful accounts … come to infect your own personal inner balance of fairness and impartiality?
You used to be a truth-teller. What happened to you? Is the truth too plain, too boring, not controversial enough?? That said, I’ll come to the point.
Please show me where I have kept referring to you and your motley crew of followers as “Hillary Clinton worshipers.” Can’t find two occurrences?
Okay then, I’ll settle for one.
Calling people Abagond worshipers or blue-pill swallowers isn’t quite the same as referring to them as HC worshipers (or siding with white nationalist party members as I supposedly did, according to Linda – whom I haven’t seen around here in a score of Sundays ever since she made that horribly wayward accusation.
It’s indeed the highest form of fakery when you take something one (or two, or three …) of us says and attribute it as something said by anyone or everyone in the group! I’ve seen that on page ONE in my borrowed copy of the White-Supremacist Dirty Plays Hand Book
Nice trick, if you can get it not to back-fire.
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@gro jo
no because he shouldnot have imprisoned him in the first place. its a spiteful pardon not releasing him til may. is just cosmetics. do a few miniscule good things and let your fans magnify them as evidence that you were progressive. that should make you less disgusting in my eyes, but it doesn’t. because its a token gesture. you’ve got to pardon a bunch more people to change my opinion.
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“Will Trump pardon Snowden or Assange?”
you just said he did. which is it?”
No no, nomad, you can drop the fake outraged lefty bit ok? Obama is letting Manning out of the hoosegow against the expressed wish of his military/intelligence people as well as the GOP. My question to you is, will Trump do the same for Snowden and Assange? Have you tweeted him to that effect?
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LOL! I did call them Hillarions. I suppose that could be interpreted as Hillary worshippers. Though I was thinking more in terms of Hillary defenders. They all seemed to claim not to like her but defended her ardently. She could literally do no wrong. Sold SOS office? No biggy. Stole Dem primary? Oh well. Killed gaddafi? Stuff happens. Very ironic. The epitome of lesser evilism.
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gro jo where do you come up with this off the wall myopic distortions. when the truth is in plain sight. you said he pardoned all three. don’t try to divert. how the hell would I know what trump is going to do? nobody does. but I know what barack has done. and its a bloody shame. I hope trump causes no where near the carnage barack has caused. only time will tell.
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You can say you “hate” ice cream all day long. But if you write about why ice cream is so good, get upset when people tell the truth about its calorie count and fat content, tell people they should be buying ice cream, and then go out and buy ice cream yourself, then you should not be too surprised if people think you like or even worship ice cream.
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It was interesting to hear BHO lie so bold facedly at todays press conference about Ukraine, citing it as an example of Russian aggression and the reason for sanctions, when in geopolitical actuality Russia was reacting to Obama interference in the politics of Ukraine, orchestrating a Nazi fueled coup, Similar but more voracious to what he is accusing Russia of doing in the 2016 US election. Ukraine was a US orchestrated coup. Everybody outside of the MSM propaganda bubble knows it.
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come to think of it, if an entity is thought incapable of doing wrong, that is worship.
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nomad, where do you come up with these off the wall myopic distortions. I specified that it was Manning he pardoned. You seem to have trouble reading:
“gro jo
nomad wrote: “You think Obama might pardon Manning, Snowden or Assange before he leaves?”
He just did, are you going to praise him for it?
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gro jo
Obama commuted Chelsea Manning’s sentence. http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/17/politics/chelsea-manning-sentence-commuted/
Will Trump pardon Snowden or Assange?”
So you won’t praise him, I knew it?
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Nobody in the press corp challenged him on it either. They all agreed on the narrative and the president congratulated them on their having worked together with him. And indeed they had. The cordial back and forths, in contrast the contentiousness of the Trump press conference, made it clear that the prez nd the press corp were indeed working together to paint a particular narrative. All that falls outside of that narrative, the proverbial Overton window, does not exist. The truth is what our government and the MSM tells us it is.
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“So you won’t praise him, I knew it?”
To the best of my knowledge I believe that to be a true statement. But let me add a hell to the no.
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@nagpo you are one outside obvserver to a freak flag, for sure. what the heck do you do for fun i can only imagine, like working on rusty salvaged ak47’s or something
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this is channeling sum of all fears, i did read that last time in the detention center with much pleasure, the berlin chapters, the only thing was them identifying the bodies after the apc’s or afv’s i rather had the running street battle
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@v8driver
‘not another one with the greys and reptilians!
i stand corrected, it says 2015 model year’
Why, don’t you think extraterrestrial sentient beings should not be discriminated against human species and have the same civil rights on planet Earth as humans have?
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@v8driver
For fun, I visit this tread and read what people say and think about politics, it’s quite a fun by itself. Politics are usually a mixture of human prejudices, clichés and conventional thinking in any country, culture or community.
And, speaking about fears and weapons, you’ve forgot to mention the Shape-Shifting Hypnotising Octopus.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/735175/vladimir-putin-killer-octopus-organism-46-b-russian-army-secret-weapon-russia
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The slippery slope of censorship of the Internet. It begins. …Well, it already begun…
It continues.
‘Facebook blocks RT from posting until after Trump inauguration
This is insane.
RT has been blocked from posting content to its Facebook page. The ban, according to the Facebook bot, will last until Saturday 10:25pm Moscow time (2:25pm EST) and will extend across US president-elect Donald Trump’s inauguration.’
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@nagpo you are one outside obvserver to a freak flag, for sure. what the heck do you do for fun i can only imagine, like working on rusty salvaged ak47’s or something
My beloved Cthulu being co-opted into a war. For shame!
Why, don’t you think extraterrestrial sentient beings
We are already here!
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@Heneith
“We are already here!”
Heh.
This is massively OT, but years ago there was a passionate African lady on youtube who always spoke forcefully against the tendency of Africans to adopt the spiritual outlook of other races. IIRC she was from the Congo and had both English and French videos. Eventually she put up a video talking about the origin story of her own people and part of it was that they came from elsewhere, as in, not Earth. It was actually pretty detailed, with art and music, but it’s a shame that the youtube channel is not around anymore. I remember some people asking in the comments if she really believed that and she said she believed her elders instead of “Adam and Eve”. IIRC, that was the first time I’d heard a non-Christian, non-Muslim, African offer an opinion on human origins.
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It’s finally over. They pulled this person from out of nowhere and made him a symbol of black progress. Held him up as if he represented me. My wishes. My concerns. He never did. Our fake black president. Good riddance.
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To bad rubbish to Donald Trump.
At least Aipac, the illegal settlers of israel , the white Nationaliss( who are going to cry soon) and all the b-side entertainers must be happy with the new president of the USA..
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What is wrong with my comment that it is thrown into moderation?
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Reblogged this on Boycott and commented:
http://tiny.ph/DjW2 hem day
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http://tiny.ph/Bhez danger
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Moby puts himself on the record as saying:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/moby-donald-trump-russia-connection_us_58a2265ee4b094a129edf17c
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@ Nomad
“It’s finally over. They pulled this person from out of nowhere and made him a symbol of black progress. Held him up as if he represented me. My wishes. My concerns. He never did. Our fake black president. Good riddance.”
Except the struggle is far from over. The STRUGGLE has so many fronts, endless battlefields, countless heads. Slay one head and two or three pops up in its place. Lose a bad president and the next one winds up worse than the one before… They’re all fake in that they’re taking the country in the wrong direction. Life isn’t getting better. It’s getting worse as society is collectively moving toward the dark ages – AGAIN – with Amerika leading the way.
Here’s one particular AMERIKAN pathology summed up quite well in an op-ed piece. It’s worth looking at.
It points a glaring light of the current sad state of affairs in today’s Amerika:
http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_Deep_State_OligarchsPlutocrats_Want_To_Keep_America_Drugged/57004/0/38/38/Y/M.html
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@Fan …
Agreed. The part that’s over is this motherfracker pretending to represent me just because of his skin color. Motherfracking a–hole.
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@abagond
If Moby believes it, it must be true.
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@ nomad
argumentum ad Mobium.
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Fan
What’s over is this motherfracker making me an accomplice to his crimes.
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tawdry publicity grab regardless of its accuracy, tres gauche
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Barack Obama. The A-hole that wouldn’t leave.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/03/obama-first-u-s-president-try-take-successor.html
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This fits the Don Jr email that came to light in July.
Trump is not enforcing the sanctions against Russia.
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It seems the Russians had the goods on Hillary Clinton too:
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration
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HIllary was a disaster because it was painfully obvious she was incredibly corrupt but the whole country would have been celebrating a female president and defeating Trump so nobody would have cared. I like that Trump is being watched closely. Yet I wonder why investigations cannot come up with anything concrete (Mueller?). However it is curious that Trump hasn’t implemented the sanctions that have already become law. Incompetence or favors?
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The ties to Uranium deals when Clinton was secretary of state was stuff I pointed out months ago before the elections.
This article was from 2015:
Bill also received huge speaking fees that reek pungently of disguised kickbacks.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/356323-bill-clinton-sought-states-permission-to-meet-with-russian-nuclear
So with alleged Don Jr. shenanigans and all of the above Clinton nonsense, we were screwed anyway.
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HIllary was a disaster because it was painfully obvious she was incredibly corrupt but the whole country would have been celebrating a female president and defeating Trump so nobody would have cared.
Dictionary definition of a politician. It’s just a matter of degrees.
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@Herneith
Indeed. The million dollar question was always “who’s worse”? The fact that Trump had no record as a politician actually worked in his favor but it remains to be seen whether he’ll survive four years as one.
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Amidst the Muller probe the other thing I was considering is that, given the claim that Trump was wrong if he cooperated with the Russian government to obtain “dirt” on Hillary Clinton, it is extremely illogical to wish Hillary had won. In that case you would have had a president open to blackmail by a foreign power with that same “dirt”.
So if this whole scenario is to be believed Russia was holding all the cards anyway. Either they have a Trump administration indebted to them because of their providing assistance with damaging information on Clinton, or a Clinton administration potentially blackmailed by damaging information after it had won.
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How does the nation prevent the repeat of such a non-choice in 2020?
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It’s doesn’t matter if the Russians helped because the Electoral Votes are what mattered. There’s just enough hateful people in Congress in itself that put Trump in office. That says much about the true nature of America and Americans especially the dominate population.. They know who they are.
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