The deep state (by 1997) is a conspiracy theory that sees a shadow government at work against the “shallow” state of presidents and senators and so on.
In the US the deep state is seen as being led by the CIA, long practised in secret plots to overthrow governments.
Some on the left, like Glenn Greenwald and Glen Ford, take it as a given.
On the right it has lately become a talking point among Trump loyalists:
Pat Buchanan:
“But the deep state is after larger game than General Flynn. It is out to bring down President Trump and abort any move to effect the sort of rapprochement with Russia that Ronald Reagan achieved.”
Newt Gingrich:
“Of course, the Deep State exists. There’s a permanent state of massive bureaucracies that do whatever they want and set up deliberate leaks to attack the president. … This is what the Deep State does: They create a lie, spread a lie, fail to check the lie and then deny that they were behind the lie.”
Sean Hannity:
“It’s time for the Trump administration to begin to purge these saboteurs before it’s too late.”
Professor Timur Kuran of Duke University, who has studied an actual deep state, the one in Turkey, says:
“A deep state involves more than an array of vested interests. It involves vested interests that are coordinated by a powerful agent and that obey a hierarchy. In many autocracies, the dictator often blames failures on a deep state ostensibly commanded by an enemy of the legitimate state. Often the perceived enemy is a foreign agent, such as the CIA. In Turkey, which is now an autocracy, President Erdoğan’s team justifies his ongoing witch hunt by invoking Turkey’s deep state.”
Erdogan used the idea of a deep state to go after the media, the courts, intellectuals and business people, throwing hundreds in prison, undermining democracy and strengthening his own power.
The term in fact comes from Turkish: derin devlet.
The earliest uses of “deep state” as a political term that I could find on the Internet in English:
- 1997: Google Books
- 1998:
- 1999:
- 2000:
- 2001:
- 2002:
- 2003:
- 2004:
- 2005: New York Times
- 2006:
- 2007: The Guardian
- 2008: BBC
- 2009:
- 2010: The Economist, Infowars
- 2011:
- 2012:
- 2013: RT
- 2014: Black Agenda Report, Bill Moyers
- 2015: The Intercept
- 2016: Breitbart News
The Economist in 2015, talking about countries moving towards democracy:
“Forgiveness [for figures of the old regime] can thus hasten a transition. But it also carries risks. When members or sympathisers of the old regime are left in place, a “deep state” – a subterranean network of military and intelligence officers, and others – can develop to threaten its successor’s long-term health.”
As took place in Egypt, Thailand and Russia, but not Iraq or East Germany, where elements of the old regime were rooted out (some which became ISIS in the case of Iraq).
The term “deep state” is a double-edged sword. It can save a democracy but can also destroy it. In the US it seems likely the term will go the way of “fake news”, becoming little more than glorified name-calling by Trump loyalists.
– Abagond, 2017.
Sources: The Economist, Pat Buchanan, Politico, Rolling Stone, The Atlantic.
See also:
- conspiracy theory
- Trump Era
- Russiagate – which some say is a scandal made up by the CIA to weaken or remove Trump.
- Michael Flynn
- terms
- Erdogan
- ISIS
- military-industrial complex – which some see as part of the deep state.
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Abagond 
Interesting that you left out the textbook example of a deep state – Pakistan.
But a deep state doesn’t necessarily have to be either a ‘there is one’ or ‘there isn’t one’. The US doesn’t have a deep state to the extent that Pakistan has one, but the bureaucracy is big enough with enough ideologues, and the military industrial complex is large, powerful and entrenched enough, that calling it a deep state is fairly justified.
We’re essentially witnessing a civil war among the US elites.
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Speaking of the deep state, see Chomsky’s recent comments:
“Well, you can understand why the Democratic Party managers want to try to find some blame for the fact—for the way they utterly mishandled the election and blew a perfect opportunity to win, handed it over to the opposition. But that’s hardly a justification for allowing the Trump policies to slide by quietly, many of them not only harmful to the population, but extremely destructive, like the climate change policies, and meanwhile focus on one thing that could become a step forward, if it was adjusted to move towards serious efforts to reduce growing and dangerous tensions right on the Russian border, where they could blow up. NATO maneuvers are taking place hundreds of yards from the Russian border. The Russian jet planes are buzzing American planes. This—something could get out of hand very easily. Both sides, meanwhile, are building up their military forces, adding—the U.S. is—one thing that the Russians are very much concerned about is the so-called anti-ballistic missile installation that the U.S. is establishing near the Russian border, allegedly to protect Europe from nonexistent Iranian missiles. Nobody seriously believes that. This is understood to be a first strike threat. These are serious issues. People like William Perry, who has a distinguished career and is a nuclear strategist and is no alarmist at all, is saying that we’re back to the—this is one of the worst moments of the Cold War, if not worse. That’s really serious. And efforts to try to calm that down would be very welcome. And we should bear in mind it’s the Russian border. It’s not the Mexican border. There’s no Warsaw Pact maneuvers going on in Mexico. And that’s a border that the Russians are quite reasonably sensitive about. They’ve practically been destroyed several times the last century right through that region.”
(https://www.democracynow.org/2017/4/4/chomsky_half_the_world_is_laughing/)
These developments have been running throughout the US foreign policy regardless of who was officially in the White House. Why? Because there are enough ideologue civil servants and military officials running the foreign policy apparatus – i.e. ‘the deep state’.
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@Chinnam
“We’re essentially witnessing a civil war among the US elites.”
Interesting. What spoils will the winners secure for themselves?
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“The deep state (by 1997) is a conspiracy theory”
LOL. I stopped reading right there. Maybe I’ll try again tomorrow.
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You disprove your own thesis. Major figures on the right and left take the Deep State as a reality, not just a ‘conspiracy theory’. You might have cited a couple of people who don’t believe the Deep State exists.
Also interesting.
That’s exactly what happened with Trump, being sabotaged by a subterranean intel network of Obama loyalists.
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@nomad
“…being sabotaged by a subterranean intel network of Obama loyalists.
I think you are giving Obama way too much credit. Obama is part of the Deep State, but he does not head the Deep State. It existed long before his birth. He played his part to perfection, pacifying Black people and Progressives while he managed the Empire.
I also think the Dems created this Russian diversion to keep Trump off balance. In the end though, Trump and his posse are their own worst enemies. Hard to feel sympathy for any of the players in this farce.
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@Afrofem
“…being sabotaged by a subterranean intel network of Obama loyalists.”
“I think you are giving Obama way too much credit. ”
Not saying that Obama is the genesis of the Deep State. I am saying that, incidentally, his sabotage of Trump is a microcosm of the way the Economist says deep states work in other countries. The similarity is uncanny.
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As regards the supremacy of the Deep State in American politics, no president has challenged it since JFK.
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And to speak of the American Deep State as equivalent to deep states in other countries is misleading. Those deep states do not have worldwide control and influence and surveillance capabilities. The US’s deep state is a mega-deep state. As the sole superpower on earth, the US deep state is The Deep State. That’s the deep state I’m talking about.
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@nomad
Cut the bullshit and just call it what it is, a capitalist state. There are different factions within the capitalist establishment, some are more nationalistic and some are more “neoliberal”, global, internationalist. You rightwingers aren’t fooling anyone in identifying the “deep state” with the neoliberal faction, your faction is just as part of this system as they are.
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@Jason Muniz
Whole different cross section, Muntz. Not the topic under discussion. The post is called “deep state”. That’s what I’m addressinf. And since you approach me in such a belligerent way, kiss my a–.
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“You rightwingers aren’t fooling anyone in identifying the “deep state” with the neoliberal faction”
And what neoliberal faction would that be? The one that killed JFK or staged the Twin Tower false flag?
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@ nomad
“The US’s deep state is a mega-deep state. As the sole superpower on earth, the US deep state is The Deep State.”
Agreed.
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“In the US the deep state is seen as being led by the CIA”
Rightly so. Truman, the President Who Created the CIA Said the CIA had become a “Government All Its Own”, And “all secret. They don’t have to account to anybody.”
Not even to the surface government. The elected officials that pretend to set the agenda. (An agenda that for some reason is always war). The CIA controls the press and chooses our presidents. Sounds like the CIA is the Deep State.
It is certainly the executive branch thereof. I wonder if the Deep state has three branches like the surface state. I wonder what the other two could be.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/03/president-created-cia-came-regret-said-cia-government-destroying-democracy.html
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So McCain’s happy, Hillary’s happy, Rubio’s happy, Bill Kristol’s happy, neocons happy, all Trump had to do was bomb a Syrian air base. Finally he’s on the regime-change bandwagon right? After Saddam and Qadafi America has to keep going, replacing M.E governments, paving the way for American-armed (“rebel”) Islamic terrorist horrors then accepting refugees from such hotbeds without questioning whether they are terrorist fighters themselves [that would be racist..sarc]. As long as Trump proves to be a puppet they’ll be happy and they’ve used their controlled media to demonize him to such an extent that Americans are begging for him to be a puppet.
The people who have been tarred and feathered as racists and Russian spies, like Flynn and Bannon, have been forced out or marginalized while Trump’s advising team has become replete with warmongering neocons. The false narrative of Trump’s inappropriate ties to Putin [allegations of pee pee tapes concocted by paid British spy and politicization of harmless, routine, state-department arranged meetings with ambassadors etc.] has driven a further wedge between Russia and the USA when there could have been a thaw since it has created a climate in which cooperation is politically inexpedient.
Russia is the ultimate neocon prize on the “grand chessboard”. This was publicized long ago. So if things go “according to plan” they get their war to depose Assad, Syria becomes a full-scale Islamic terrorist nightmare like Iraq and Libya, Russia possibly enters the fray [they’ve already suspended an agreement for safe passage of US flights over Syria], a humanitarian crisis results, America is pressured to take refugees, ISIS terrorists get exported, and TPTB have their growing army of internal mercenaries similar to those employed in “third world” destabilizations for when Americans start to get uncooperative.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Assad destroy his chemical weapons 3 years ago? Wonder where he got the new supply of nerve gas. And if he didn’t have chemical weapons, maybe somebody else is guilty. Like last time this happened. I wonder why Trump is not smart enough to realize that. Oh, he is? Well then maybe something else is going on.
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“I wonder why Trump is not smart enough to realize that. Oh, he is? Well then maybe something else is going on.”
The only thing that went wrong was your childish belief in Trump. The poor bastard was “shown the instruments” and decided to play ball with the deep state like all his predecessors. At least you aren’t trying to come up with some bs excuse for him.
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gro jo
give it a rest gro jo. youre spouting fabricated nonsense again.
oh. I mean, why don’t you give it a rest.
talk about issues, not your puerile vendetta against me. what? you still smarting?
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The Deep State works in mysterious ways.
We are subsumed in the unreal now, and may be about to incinerate ourselves in its name.
Imagine the Cuban Missile Crisis – only the Cuban Missiles may not even exist.
That is how grotesque we are.
https://off-guardian.org/2017/04/08/is-the-sarin-also-a-lie/
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In fact, Trump seems to have reversed himself rather dramatically. One could say his policies are looking very Pencive.
http://warincontext.org/2017/03/06/vice-president-pences-deep-state/
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@ gro jo
“The poor bastard was “shown the instruments” and decided to play ball with the deep state like all his predecessors.”
LOL! So true!
Now they are hailing him instead of grousing about him.
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Nomad, how has my comment eschewed the issues? You seemed perplexed by your boy Trump’s volte-face on Syria and confronting Russia, I tried to explain what you see going on. I fully anticipated his current attitude when I posted the following a few weeks ago:
You didn’t know I could tell the future did you? Lol. To your credit, you resisted the temptation to come up with lame excuses for him.
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What you are doing is casting aspersions. Give it a rest. I mean, Why dont you give it a rest. As usual. You’ve said nothing remarkable, that I am aware of. But its good to see you think so highly of yourself. You should always keep hope alive.
The part that’s a fabrication is your usual misrepresentation of my position. Straw man argument. Misinterpret what someone says then proceed to argue against the misrepresentation you’ve created. Give it a rest. Oh, excuse me again. I mean, Why don’t you give it a rest.
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Give what a rest? That you didn’t know what you were talking about when you claimed that Trump was the man who stood between us and nuclear Armageddon? Now that you’ve been unmasked as the naif you are, you don’t want to discuss it? What does RT have to say on the subject? I’ve read that Putin is cutting Trump some slack because he knows that your boy is under severe pressure. How do you think it will end?
Your friend, give it a rest gro jo.
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That’s what I’m talking bout. Perfect example of what I just said. Fabricate a position for me and then proceed to argue against that. Give that s@#$ a rest. Youre the one that don’t know what I’m talking about. And that’s because youre too busy navel gazing. But blather on if you feel you must. Oh wait. I should have said “Why don’t you give that S@#$ a rest. I know how sensitive you are about being told what to do.
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Nomad, I asked you a question, why don’t you try to answer it. How do you think it will end? I’m trying to have a dialogue with you, quit acting butthurt and engage me in an intelligent debate. I haven’t fabricated sh*t, I’ll let you make my case for me by quoting you verbatim:
On that I agree. Preparation for war with Russia.
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“Preparations, by Obama, Clinton, that Trump has interrupted.” Seems you were a tad premature, it doesn’t look like Trump interrupted anything. Yeah, I know, give it a rest. Your buddy, giveitarest gro jo. 🙂
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Gro jo
Please forgive me for not wasting my time reading all of that bs.
Summarize that for me. But in the meantime let me reiterate what I have said to you many times. Give the straw man argument a rest why don’t ya? Somehow I don’t think the screed you just posted is anything but the same kind of meaningless disingenuous arguments I’ve endured from you before.
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“Gro jo
Please forgive me for not wasting my time reading all of that bs.
Summarize that for me.”
You are forgiven and I will gladly summarize what you wrote. According to you, Obama and HRC were leading us on the path of destruction when Trump, like a Deus ex Machina, came to lead us away from that path. If I’ve misread you feel free to correct my error. The point that I made above is that your claim was a will-o’-the-wisp.
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It’s obvious what happened. They showed Trump the movie.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsfHtII4yRk)
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@gro jo
my advice to you. take a course in reading comprehension. I have no inclination to try to explain to you where you went wrong. its a fools errand to try to correct willful ignorance.
how many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb?
one. but the light bulb has to really want to change.
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Gro jo
To your credit, at least you know who runs the country.
The Deep State. Some people don’t even believe the Deep State exists.
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@Solitaire
Bill Hicks: back and to the left.
(https://youtu.be/8aaqN7SqLpU?t=2m44s)
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“The term in fact comes from Turkish: derin devlet.”
I find this a dubious attribution. but be that as it may. even if the use of the term is as recent as you say, the phenomenon it defines has been alive in America at least since the JFK assassination.
New rule, if most of the things your government does is secret and hidden from the public (euphemistically called ‘classified), you have a deep state.
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“my advice to you. take a course in reading comprehension. I have no inclination to try to explain to you where you went wrong. its a fools errand to try to correct willful ignorance.”
Now, now nomad, it’s unfair of you to refuse to correct my error after I took the trouble to compress your thought into a single sentence. It looks like you don’t want to discuss your views on this matter? Say it ain’t so, did you think this blog was an echo chamber?
“Gro jo
To your credit, at least you know who runs the country.” Aw, shucks, coming from you nomad, that’s high praise indeed! The deep state predates JFK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
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Gro jo
Dam right. Glad you recognize.
Yep. Still do.
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Time to get it right Ababgond. Podcasts:
https://www.trendfollowing.com/2016/05/08/ep-448-mike-lofgren-interview-michael-covel-trend-following-radio/
http://www.tombarnardpodcast.com/mike-lofgren-822-2/
Please read:
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state
Followed by:
Now, get it right.
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Schumer warned him. Brennan threatened him. The Intel Community run this country. Apparently they made Trump, shrewd businessman that he is, an offer he couldn’t refuse. How slow and stilted were Trump’s words of war to Syria. It’s like he was mouthing words prepared for him by someone else. Like he had become a puppet. What a transformation!
One good thing about the Trump episode, the Deep State had to surface like a stealth submarine and come out into the open where everyone could see to bring him down. Had to get all of their operatives out into the open, writing articles to convince the people they are not seeing what they are seeing. A slew of articles and psychological operations, like fake news and phony dossiers. Trying to convince people that there is no Deep State. It’s a conspiracy theory, which is a social control term designed to make people look the other way. Go back to sleep America. Go back to shopping. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Repeat after our MSM gatekeepers.
We do not live in a cryptocracy.
(https://youtu.be/XCtIdpBocNA?t=39s)
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On the other hand…its wise to acknowledge the spooks.
(https://youtu.be/4sKzPBu2M8A)
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@ nomad
“back and to the left”
I got the reference immediately, didn’t even have to click on the video. 🙂
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@ nomad
The use of “deep state” as a political term first appears in English in 1997 in relation to Turkey. That is what I could find going through Google Books. If you can find an earlier instance, I am all ears. But you are right: in the 1960s people did talk about Kennedy being killed by the CIA. That implies a deep state, but as far as I know, no one called it that back then.
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@ nomad
If the deep state is not a conspiracy theory, then nothing is. Please note that some conspiracy theories turn out to be true. But also please note that as a conspiracy theory it is a) sensationalistic and b) hard to prove – which means many will believe it on slight evidence, making it a glorified rumour until it is proved.
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@ satanforce
I did see Mike Lofgren expound at length about the deep state on Bill Moyers. But that is just one interpretation of the term – the deep state as unelected vested interests that affect government, an update on the idea of a military industrial complex. From what I could tell, though, that is not the main way the term has been used. The Economist is closer to the mark. But to show that there is disagreement about the term, I quoted both Newt Gingrich (institutional deep state, much like Lofgren’s) and Timur Kuran (conspiratorial deep state, much like The Economist’s).
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The idea that Obama is in control of the deep state is laughable. He, like Trump, like Nixon, like Bush II, changed his tune once in office and started acting just like all the presidents before him, going back to at least Kennedy. It is as if they are all reading from the same script. I do not call that the deep state, especially since it has conspiratorial overtones, but the plain old military industrial complex.
Stark examples of these sudden Oval Office conversions are Trump’s tweets on Syria, before and after becoming president, and Obama’s speeches on the Iraq War, before and after becoming president. I did a post on the Obama case:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/obama-then-and-now-war-in-iraq/
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John Ehrlichman, a top adviser to President Nixon, on the Democratic “holdovers” (he used that word) in the executive branch:
Nixon himself saw the Senate, the anti-war movement, the press, the television networks, independent foundations and the federal bureaucracy as plotting to cripple his presidency. He did not call it a “deep state” – he called it “the Establishment”. A better word might be “paranoia”.
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@abagond
That sounds like something that makes sense, but it doesn’t. It’s a totally nonsensical statement. Conspiracy theories exists, whether the Deep State is one or not. It just happens that its not.
It’s not hard to prove at all. Lofgen does a good job.
The biggest part of the Deep State, the CIA -as I say, the executive branch- is a fact. The CIA is not a conspiracy theory. It, like the controllers it works for, is a conspiracy fact. It can be researched, studied and revealed. The exposure of it is taking place right now with the WikiLeaks leaks.
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The name it is called by doesn’t matter. “A rose by any other name.” Perhaps you are right and the term only came into usage in the 90s. I reiterate. The phenomenon it defines existed long before that. We have had a deep state since at least the sixties. It may not have been called that, but that’s what it was.
New rule. When the Intel Community assassinates the elected president, you have a deep state.
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@Abagond
You really do have much to learn when you can write things like this:
Unfortunately, it is your reluctance to examine those same sources which you conveniently write off as “conspiracy” or “paranoia” which may be preventing you from researching deeper into such issues.
Imagine how you would think if you based everything you knew on what did or did not happen in the Bible? You would probably classify everything that had no mention or reference in the Bible as “Fake News”!
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Abagond doesn’t have a problem questioning the story after a police shooting and seeking additional details beyond the official narrative. However, as he takes Trump’s presidency very personally he is inclined to dismiss or minimize information that puts Trump’s rivals in a bad light and accept information that puts Trump or his associates in a bad light. Since most of the MSM and abagond align in their complete disdain for Trump he is quite comfortable to take their reports as gospel in political matters.
Now it’s also easy to understand why racist people never question the police reports after fatal shootings of black people even when the circumstances are suspicious. The police should be trustworthy and a conviction that they are cannot be considered outlandish. Indeed, it would be conspirational and paranoid to suggest that the police lie and it is convenient to trust them when you are not bothered by the outcome of the fatal encounter.
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@abagond
As I have said, “conspiracy theory” is a social control term created by the very Deep State under discussion (specifically to cover up the JFK assassination). Far from causing many to ” believe it on slight evidence” it has just the opposite effect, causing many to reject without examination. It’s a derisive term. People avoid association with it to avoid the disapprobation of the community at large. Very few people who ‘believe in conspiracy theories’ do so without examination and more often than not extensive examination. So that assumption of yours is false.
Please note too that when conspiracy theories are found to be true they are no longer called conspiracy theories. They are called facts. Like the NSA spying for example. So to call something conspiracy theory is, in line with the CIA’s use of the term, is to, in effect, call it a lie. It is to say that it is not true. And, further, that it is not based on evidence or rationality.
That’s why the Deep State is not a conspiracy theory. Because it is based on both.
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@abagond
If you are referring to my comment, I have already explained to Afrofem that that is not what I was saying.
He was a puppet. But the Deep State faction that supported him can still be called Obama loyalists since they are loyal to the political disposition he took under their puppetry.
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@nomad
“Rightly so. Truman, the President Who Created the CIA Said the CIA had become a “Government All Its Own”, And “all secret. They don’t have to account to anybody.””
+1000. Straight from the source.
“Wonder where he got the new supply of nerve gas. And if he didn’t have chemical weapons, maybe somebody else is guilty. Like last time this happened. ”
Remember what John McCain said in 2012:
“I believe there are ways to get weapons to the opposition without direct United States involvement”
As I said on the open thread, John McCain made a “secret” trip to “rebel-held part of northern Syria” in February 2017, and just over a month later there’s a convenient “chemical attack” in the “rebel-held part of northern Syria”.
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@Origin
“So McCain’s happy, Hillary’s happy, Rubio’s happy, Bill Kristol’s happy, neocons happy, all Trump had to do was bomb a Syrian air base. Finally he’s on the regime-change bandwagon right?”
Not yet.
The attack on Syrian bases can be characterised by the msm as merely a publicity stunt, with Putin and Assad’s approval.
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@resw
“I believe there are ways to get weapons to the opposition without direct United States involvement”
This was at the link nomad posted.
http://web.archive.org/web/20130129213824/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html#comments
That was from 2013. The non-archived link no longer exists on the original site for some reason.
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@Origin
They took the original link down because they settled a libel suit with Britam Defence for 100k+. So I can’t trust that the private chemical weapons transfer ever happened….at least not by Britam Defence.
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@resw
I figured there was something behind the mssing article. Thanks for the info.
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Abagond, its really sad to see that you have devolved to this level. I was hoping that you would have something left. But you’re out of energy. No energy left. You need some steam to get that energy going.
Lets look at the the differences between Lofgren’s model of the Deep State (LDS) and the traditional Iron Triangle/ Military -Industrial Complex (MIC).
Deep State actually incorporates Eisenhower’s original Military – Industrial Congressional Complex. Ike had to leave out the Congressional from his original farewell speech. It also includes Silicon Valley, NSA, and the financial sector
LDS can then be used to show how all Departments (not just Defense) are affected and the interconnections among them. So with think tanks, theories and laws as edges, and the departments and industry as nodes, we can make connections between, say, the financial industry and the MIC. Or Silicon Valley and workfare.
LDS goes further to show the actual political and legal machinations that have caused the breakdown of Congress ex. Newt Gingrich’s neutering of congressional staff, and their replacement with think-tanks. Also goes further, to show the effect of lobbying on infrastructure. A 500,000 USD donation by Solyndra led to a 500 million USD bankruptcy.
LDS is international, showing how the main .1/% individuals are basically stateless individuals who use the state to their advantage. They can moveoverseas on a whim, pay little to no local taxes, yet use the state;s organs to their advantage.
Master became the servant. LDS has examples of tail wagging dog, like BlackWater mercenary threatening to kill State Department employee if he filed complaint while in Iraq.
Abagond. You have gotten weak . Lame. Watered down. Just look at your posts. Just look at your commenters. Do your commenters respect you? No!!! They are not sending you their best comments. Their comments are lame, their comments are deceitful. Very deceitful. You only have one option. Give me a password and make me a co-webmaster. Together, we can make this ablog to be proud of, a blog to celebrate. A blog we can have pride in. Give the blog to me, and I will
Make Abagond Great Again!
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That is rich. The US government uses chemical weapons (pepper spray, mace, tear gas and more) against its own people every day with utter impunity.
Charity and consideration begins at home.
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@ satanforce
Above and beyond.
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“Abagond. You have gotten weak . Lame. Watered down. Just look at your posts. Just look at your commenters. Do your commenters respect you? No!!! They are not sending you their best comments. Their comments are lame, their comments are deceitful. Very deceitful. You only have one option. Give me a password and make me a co-webmaster. Together, we can make this ablog to be proud of, a blog to celebrate. A blog we can have pride in. Give the blog to me, and I will
Make Abagond Great Again!”
So, Abagond’s blog is the USA and satanforce is Trump! A pretty good parody, keep it up. What’s the world coming to, I’m writing nice things about satanforce!
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@Origin
You’re welcome, and at least one member of Congress, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, is publicly voicing doubts about Assad being behind the “chemical attacks”:
https://t.co/fETssThsLF
And the msm is going after her for daring to doubt the neocons for what they not proven.
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I will save this blog from itself. Yes! I am the saviour, because only I have the power to repudiate and save the blog and make it great again. I will save the blog! Abagond;s opics are weak. They are unfocused, they are vindictive, they are anti-black, they are anti-MAGA , and worst of all, they are low-energy! UGHH!!
#MAGA. #alt-black. #alt-center. #BlackLivesAreExpensive. #IAmAMan.
http://www.mikelofgren.net/yes-there-is-a-deep-state-but-not-the-right-wings-caricature/
http://www.mikelofgren.net/the-deep-state-2-0/
Goldman Sach’s (Bannon’s former alumnus) is up 38 percent since the election. Anyone here made any money off that? You can’t go to war without a war chest, now can you?
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Okay. Its pretty clear that the CIA is the executive branch of the Deep State, which according to Cynthia McKinney has two major factions, the Globalists and the Pilgrims (Nationalists/Make America Great Again). It controls both phony political parties. But who’s at the top of the Deep State pyramid? I wonder? George, do you have any ideas?
(https://youtu.be/6oBo8CJxatQ)
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Remember when Wesley Clark blew the whistle on Deep State war plans? (The Deep State’s agenda is war…humf …yeah….what is it good for…)
Somebody from the Deep State must have told him to shut up, because he no longer wants to talk about it.
(https://youtu.be/_pGkFMho6Co)
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Who could they be now? I say the CIA is the executive arm; the muscle, if you will. They carry out all of the mandated operations. But what about the rest of the Deep State syndicate? Who could they be now?
Former C.I.A. officer, Philip Giraldi says it
(he article then goes on to dismiss Giraldis assertions.)
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