Exceptional Negroes are those who are “not like other blacks”. They do not fit the stereotypes. Sometimes they achieve great things, rise to the top of their field. They become sports heroes, film stars, tokens, black best friends, beloved servants and so on. Some even have white fans, lovers or admirers.
If you ever notice how a white person in America can be racist and yet be a fan of Michael Jordan, vote for Obama or be married to a black person, that is the Exceptional Negro thing at work.
Whites sometimes use it to prove they are not racist – the black best friend and black president arguments – but in fact it is a side effect of:
The rules of white racist thinking:
- When whites do something good, it proves how wonderful whites are. Like inventing the light bulb, freeing the slaves, feeding the children in Africa, etc.
- When whites do something bad, it is written off to circumstances, personal failings, etc. So stuff like owning slaves, raping Africa, the Wall Street crash and two massacres in two months (James Holmes, Wade Michael Page) prove absolutely nothing about white people. Whites are individuals!
- When blacks do something good, it is downplayed, overlooked or written off as an exception. The city of Great Zimbabwe? Never heard of it. Half of American blacks are middle-class? That cannot be right. Timbuktu? Due to Arab influence. Someone does not fit the stereotypes? Not like other blacks, an Exceptional Negro.
- When blacks do something bad, it proves how screwed up they are. Psychopathic killers? Proof that blacks are violent and savage. High rates of poverty? Proof of black pathologies. Mugabe’s misrule of Zimbabwe? Proof that blacks are not fit for self-government. Someone fits a stereotype? Stereotype proved true!
In short, whites are judged according to the best among them, blacks are judged according to the worst among them.
The Exceptional Negro allows whites to feel like they are not racist – “My best friend is black!” – while all along keeping their stereotypes untouched!
Reverting to type: When an Exceptional Negro falls from grace – Vanessa Williams, Marion Barry, Jayson Blair, Joe Jett, etc – it is not due to mere personal failings, like with Martha Stewart, James Holmes or Richard Nixon, but because they are black, because the stereotypes are true after all. When they fall there is like this pretend shock, which you know is pretend because it is too quickly followed by something like, “See, it was too good to be true. We should have known better. It just goes to show.”
That comes not from a profound understanding of black people but from viewing them through deeply held stereotypes.
Not protected from racism: Being an Exceptional Negro does not protect you from racism. In fact, some whites can become even more hateful because you threaten their sad, overblown self-image. They will find ways to tear you down. It gives lie to the white claim that they would stop being racist if blacks “proved themselves” worthy of their respect.
Thanks to Sondis for suggesting this topic.
– Abagond, 2012.
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Abagond 
I see that you created an article out of my suggestion in my other post.
I’m happy that you take peoples suggestions,seriously. ^_^
The #1 poster child for an “exceptional negro” is O.J. Simpson as he didn’t associate with anyone black!
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As a part-time “exceptional negro”, I approve of this post.
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Great post! You made some excellent points!
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There are Negroes who are exceptional in the minds of whites, and even more Negroes who are exceptional in their very own imaginings –OJ was both … that is until he was accused of murdering whites of course.
I’ve run across quite a few Negroes who believe very deeply that they aren’t like ‘those other Negroes’.
Great post, Abagond.
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@ Aba
My dear,
There is no such thing as an “exceptional Negro” in the eyes of AmeriKlan. It is really called “Acceptable Negro” due to the fact that black, in and of itself, by definition cannot be exceptional.
What makes us “acceptable” is :
1. Money
2. Influence on whites only
3. Being careful never to mention your blackness too much
4. Carefully never mentioning slavery, like it has no effect on you today
5. Your humble beginnings, they LOVE this
6. Your soft-spoken speech
7. Giving praise to the white people who helped you
8. Never trying to help blacks in Ameriklan, but in other foreign countries is ok.
9. Never going too deep into politics
10. Knowing your place in the back of the bus
Following these “rules” will ensure your wealth and rise in white society. Also, I’d like to point out that blacks, although rising in prominence with the media and sports and that horrific gangsta culture, will never venture into areas like black education if they wish to keep their “place”.
Education and black power is feared and will be struck down at a moments notice. Oprah is keen on promoting her Book Club that tells the tale of the ever-suffering Negro. But never, ONCE has she told the tale of the truth of the Middle Passage and who really financed the trade.
Why?
Because she is owned by her masters and must keep it a secret. Education must be selective if you wish to remain on top. Now, you must think me mad, eh? But I’m telling the horrid truth of how we are seen and “groomed” to be famous. All black celebrities, except maybe for that struggling independent artist/ filmmaker/ painter/ musician, are given checks with the solemn promise to keep hushed about how they acquire wealth.
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Thank you for this. I don’t post often, but I always make it a point to read your posts when they come over my RSS feed. There’s always something thought-provoking to get my brain going.
This post reminds me of a sad story where someone’s very racist father liked Michael Jordan, and said it was OK because he wasn’t “really black.”
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Another gem.
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Abagond
Didn’t you once write or/and cross a post about “Acceptable Negroes?”
It may have been originally written by The AngryBlackBitch..
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Even though Tiger Woods is cablinasian, I thought he was exceptional…until his spectacular, ‘fall’ from grace. I thought Michael Jackson was ‘the exceptional Negro’ to whites, and well, we know the rest of the story…
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This post is very timely. The Olympics has brought us a new crop of exceptional Negroes! Just don’t C-walk or come from a country outside of America and they might respect you like a normal human being.
I’m going to have to give the British the prize for going so far as promoting their exceptional Negro, Mo Farah, to “European status.” I saw some British posters on one site proclaiming how, “we even beat a number of Africans for the [Mo Farah’s] gold medal.” I was puzzled. Looking at the picture of Mo, I could have sworn that an African did win. Silly me!
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Hi,
when I was a teenager, I started thinking about all this when I realized (item 3. When blacks do something good) that somehow Egypt didn’t belong to Africa… I wondered, hum, why do they try to imply that Egypt is separate from Africa ?
After a while, and some thinking and deciphering, I realized that the achievements of Ancient Egyptians were the fact of dark-skinned inhabitants of Africa (called “blacks” in the theory of races, and deemed inferior and destined to slavery). So, yes, the proofs of greatness displayed in Egypt had to be lessened, by
– spreading the artifacts Ancient Egyptians created all over the world in museums (so no one could subsequently measure the extent of the creativity in architecture, literature, sculpture, painting, culinary arts, …)
– making them “non-African” (read Cheik Anta Diop to see how African they were)
– designating themselves as specialists (“egyptologists”) (it would be interesting if Africans designated themselves as “Francologists”, “Englandologists”, “USologists”, traveled to the country of their study, took STUFF from there (unearthed corpses, took away tombs and their occupants, cut churches and city halls into little pieces, gathered every day objects from people’s homes, in particular those of these countries “great people”, like presidents, and brought them back to Africa to show the greatness in THEIR museums.)
Yeah, said like that, it does strike a cord, doesn’t it.
This is how I taught myself how wrong my civilization had gone some centuries ago when it decided it was “white”.
Peace and nice blog !
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That is silly indeed, good post once again.
Saadiyah, isn’t Mo brittish citizen, representing GB in the games, not african nation?
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Tell the truth Abagond! Love this post. Excellent as always.
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Abagond,
Interesting post. I’ve witnessed a number of these characterizations being applied. However, I would add that I most racist white people I’ve observed hold beliefs such as these as a matter of degree.
For example, they may claim that black people have a greater tendency towards violence than white people, rather than suggesting that blacks are violent but whites are not.
Regardless of whether or not such beliefs can be supported factually, it’s certainly fallacious to infer a single individual’s behavior based upon proposed group characteristics.
I’d also add that this mode of thinking applies across the board to other forms of “groupism”. Who among us hasn’t heard another person make a comment like:
– “Typical [gender]/[age]/[ethnicity] driver”
– “Typical Democrat/Republican”
– “Typical [Person who works in a particular occupation]”
– “Typical [Non -favored sports team] fan”
– “Typical [Person of a different socioeconomic class]”
– “Typical [Person of different religion]”
– “Typical [Person from a different geographical region]”
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Good post. Racism has it’s own articles of faith to which reality is forced to conform. I’ve also observed the ways of structuring reality according to racist tenets. It’s essentially the same as you put it:
Group “white accomplishments”: the typical white
Individualize “white pathologies” : the atypical white
Individualize “black accomplishments” : the atypical black
Group “black pathologies” : the typical black
The individual blacks who don’t fulfill the stereotypical expectations become your “exceptional negroes”. But the whole concept is arrived at by looking through a “funny mirror” which presupposes things that the facts, considered exceptional, actually refute.
It reminds me of a video I was watching that had a scene with a little African boy. He had very closely cropped or shaven hair and the back of his skull was quite long. Someone posted a comment that he looked like an “alien”. I couldn’t help but think: “he looks like how white people choose to draw aliens”. As fas as I know, we have no credible proof or real anthropomorphic extra-terrestrials. So it goes to show the extent to which people can live within their own constructed version of reality and have gut reactions based on that.
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@sam and @bulanik – yes Mo Farah was representing Britain, however that does not mean that he is longer African. I assume that he isn’t Somali citizen anymore. Mo is still as African as the other Africans he beat.
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If Mo Farah was just a shopkeeper in London instead of a gold medalist, do you think he’d be referred to as just British? Heh!
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This proves that the psychology of whiteness is not rooted in logic, but of emotion, and that seems to be placed above everything else.
For instance, whites hate it when you accuse them of being racist. Yet, don’t mind doing or saying things that ARE racist no matter what.
Whites want to have that “special black friend” who’s suffering from internalized hatred to agree with them and their color arousal. They want that black friend to agree with them about the stereotypes they have about blacks. That black friend is their version of Linus’ security blanket.
Those with the white racist mindset deeply desire a black achiever or hero to fall from grace just so they can dance with glee and celebrate that what they believe in is true. Nevermind the hypocrisy involved if they see white people on top fail it’s a different story. And you can forget reminding them that they are individuals and not representatives of the whole group. They are not hearing any of that.
It’s a collective self-esteem issue so deep and complex as to want to have so much indifference and disdain towards a group of people that tearing them down will make them good about WHAT they are and not WHO they are.
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I am someone of Caribbean descent, with actual experience living there. It has always bothered me when people, including black people, make a big deal about black doctors, etc. Coming from the Caribbean, the MAJORITY of teachers, doctors, etc ARE black, so seeing a black doctor, etc, is NOT shocking, or “EXCEPTIONAL.”
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Brothawolf, if you check out my blog, you’ll find the almost exact same sentence as your conclusion… The “what” and the “who”… the object and the person…
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Oyan, what the heck is cabliasian ? Asian, I get that. ca, Caribbean, Caucasian ? bl, black ?
Is this type of labbeling signaling the end of race-ism ? ’cause, man, we could find ourselves with line-long labels these days ! Plus, how relevant are those actually… not very much.
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Origin, your reference to liking an African boy’s head to the imagined head of an Alien is interesting. I found something similar on a site that is dedicated to preparing our (humanity’s) future encounter with “them”.
There was this whole post about an Egyptian bas-relief that, according to the authors of the site, showed extra-terrestrials. One was an Egyptian god, who is of a very dark green color and has very slanted eyes. The person said it was the representation of an Alien. I posted a reply saying that maybe it was simply the stylized representation of a very dark-skinned African with long and a little protruding eyes, as many Africans have (and Europeans too, as a matter of fact, but I digress).
Have you seen the 3D/colored digital representation they have made of Tut Ankh Ha Mun recently. I couldn’t believe it when I saw. I was mad, actually ! It is TOTALLY crazy to see how they don’t even realize how mental they are ! I cannot believe that they don’t see how ridiculous it is to portray that man with that long nose and those light-colored eyes when his original portraits in gold, stone, in painting show an obviously dark skinned, African man ! http://www.egyptancient.net/tutankhamone.htm
Now they even DARE put both pics together on the same page and it doesn’t bother them at all ! If you told them they have a nose in the middle of their face, they would find ways to explain to you that, no actually, this is not a nose, it’s a foot. Shoot.
They didn’t manage to change the shape of the skull, which really would have been too much, I guess. I know a whole Cameroonian family, father and kids, who have the exact same skull.
And while we’re at it, I wrote to a French magazine about 20 years ago, after they had made a very cynical and mocking article on Afro-centrist researchers like Cheik Anta Diop and Ivan van Sertima, and called a famous female French egyptologist to support their illusions. She claimed that Queen Tiye was actually “leucoderm” (as they like to say, it sounds more scientific and attempts to shut your mouth). Queen Tiye ? She looks like my Cameroonian aunt. I mean, just like her ! http://www.flickriver.com/photos/14576914@N07/4443731430/
Here, we’re not even talking about achievements, but simply the actual people. Their BEING. Not what they do or did. Who they are or were. If they were great, of course, they must be called into “whiteness”, the ultimate greatness. That is SO crazy !
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Great post.
This explains why white people new to Africa seem to like the ‘natives’ more than their fellow black citizens back home whom they cannot stop complaining about when given a chance and tipsy. In fact one told me the other day ‘i wish we could exchange our black people for you wonderful africans’. I don’t think they would want Mugabe though, he did the worst thing…holding whites accountable!
As for Mo Farah, British citizen but Somali by birth and as stated above if he was a shop keeper he wouldn’t be British. He would be just one of those Somali immigrants. But he won a medal so he can now be British.
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[…] In many respects, and in a Finnish context, all these cases represent what Julian Abagond calls in the United States Exceptional Negroes. […]
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@Randy
I have never seen you speak out against white racism once on this blog. It’s like you see nothing wrong with it. However, you claim to not be a racist…
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@exceptional finns:
Well, I just wonder why not one of those named by mr Enrique are interviewed or say anything about this? I mean, not one of those he names in there have ever used the term “exceptional finn” themselves nor the term has never been used anywhere in any context in Finland about these particular people, not by themselves or by the media. I wonder why? The only one is the writer in this blog who, incidentally, stole the very idea from abagond.
And also, why he does not mention Lola Wallinkoski at all. She is after all absolutely most visible and famous afrofinn there is?? Perhaps she is too much of a finn (she aknowledges her roots in Africa but does not want to have anything to do with her father who abadoned her mother before she was born and showed up only after she won the Miss Finland title) or perhaps she is just a black woman so she does not deserve the place in this prestigious list?
Also missing from this list is a african guy who came to Finland way back in the 80’s, studied over here, became a vetenarian, moved deep into country side and became the most successfull animal doctor his district BUT married a finnish woman, loves sauna, finnish sauna sausage, beer and has a summer place etc. just like all finns.
Also missing from the list is Larry Pounds, an american who came to play basketball, married a finn, lives in Kotka and is a nationally well known guy and who speaks finish with heavy eastern dialect, ejoys sauna and finnish past times etc.
As far as Arman goes, check his tv show Kill Arman, which you shoud be able to find from the Net. He is well known and respected tailor and fashionista, but finn enough to make a tv show like that. Perhaps the writer confuses him with some one else, since Arman has never been called exceptional in any forum nor he has done so himself?
I am not denying that there is racism in Finland, there is, but just to transplant an american idea of racism just like that to totally different enviroment just does not work. World is not just like USA and american ideas, good or bad, do not excist every where. Unlike americans on those living in USA so often want to believe.
Just ask from those people named in that story: have you ever been labeled exceptional finn, do you see yourself as such etc.? It could be done easily, specially if one lives in Finland. I would like very much here from themselves what they think about the whole concept.
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@saadiyah:
“If Mo Farah was just a shopkeeper in London instead of a gold medalist, do you think he’d be referred to as just British? Heh!”
I haven’t been in GB for some time but last time I was, those who carried citizenship were called as britts (weather their origins were chinese, pakistani, indian, jamaican, nigerian etc.) unlike those who were immigrants without a citizenship. Perhaps that has chanaged since then, I don’t know.
But if a guy has a citizenship, is representing a country in olympics, then for sure he should be considered as a guy from that country. I mean, why not? What is wrong with that??
I am curious here. How you define an african and what that means to you? Why it is so important that a guy living i Detroit or Newcastle who happens to have different looks than white fellow country men should be considered as african even when he has had nothing to do with Africa nor wants to?
I am not trying make anybody angry or insult anyone here. I just try to understand this idea. For me as a finn, those guys who moved to Sweden in the 60’s from Finland, are swedes, finns of Sweden but swedish nationals. Or those finns who moved to USA in early 1900’s are all americans, maybe american finns, but not finns in any sense. So I have a bit difficulties to get it why someone wants to call every black guy african despite were he is from or what citizenship he carries.
I know the basic idea of African diaspora but still it seems a bit strange for me. I mean, genetically and culturally a black guy from Harlem, New York, has more similarities with a white dutch guy from Haarlem, Holland, than with a masai from Masai Mara, Kenya.
Thank you before hand for the explanations and clarifications. I really would like to understand this idea, where it comes from, its history, how much it is tied to the anti racist struggle in USA in the 60’s and 70’s etc. Thank you.
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Did anyone see the discussion on either Wednesday or Thursday this week where they talked about the 100 meters and the fact that out of the 82 peeople that had run it under 10 seconds, only 1 of those individuals were white?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10-second_barrier
The presenter talked to Michael Johnson who has been involved in a programme and research on this to try and determine whether BP were pre-disposed genetically to run faster than any other race.
Michael responded in the negative basically saying that records are there to be made, taken and broken regardless. Race shouldnt have an effect on this.
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^^^^
Did anyone see the discussion on either Wednesday or Thursday this week where they talked about the 100 meters and the fact that out of the 82 peeople that had run it under 10 seconds, only 1 of those individuals were white?
Apologies – The discussion took place on the BBC Olympics 2012 programme
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In terms of the comment above, Wikipedia states that Colin Jackson for example, who has a diverse racial background noted that both his parents were talented athletes and suggested that biological inheritance was the greatest influence, rather than any perceived racial factor. Furthermore, successful black role models in track events may reinforce the racial disparity.
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Cynic:
I don’t speak out against black racism either. I’m willing to consider ideas which are contrary to my own personal opinions.
What I challenge are people who hold logically fallacious beliefs, such as those who object to racism of one orientation but practice or don’t object to racism of other orientations.
Also, I debate on the nature of racism, believing that not only isn’t it an invention and tool of just one particular group, but that it’s merely a subset of a larger human tendency of “groupism” which manifests in a myriad of forms we see everyday. You could probably name 20 of them off the top of your head right now.
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Racism is very negative, but there can be no doubt that it can benefit one group to be racist to another. If I am a White racist and hate Black racists, there is no “logical fallacy”. I support the racism that helps my people and at the same time I’m against the racism that helps my enemies. I’m not saying I support this attitude, but where is the logical fallacy? It makes perfect sense.
And almost every person of color on this blog would agree. However, there is a difference between a headache and a brain tumor. One type of racism may be more pernicious than another type. Not all racism is equal.
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@Bulanik
You, Randy, are in the business of subjugation and the psychology of subjugation. You want people of colour on this blog to feel inferior and be de-humanized, in accordance, and within the confines of “civilized” challenges and debates, whilst you pretend you are the most “civilized” among us….
She has a valid point here Randy. If many were looking at your posts, this is the conclusion that most would come to…
Bulanik talks of ‘Plastic Brits’. You appear to be a perhaps ‘diluted down, bigot in denial….’
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Randy is exhibiting usual European tribal mentality. It runs through his veins. Stop expecting more from him. You will not find it.
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Nothing Randy posts surprises me anymore. It’s typical Randy with his song and dance routine.
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The last part is well illustrated by the vitriol that attaches itself to President Obama on a daily basis.
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SomeGuy:
A tip of the hat to you sir! I agree that your conclusion is correct, and have realized my own mistake. What I meant, and should have stated, is that it’s fallacious to claim that racism as a whole is immoral, and yet practice or otherwise tolerate certain forms of it yourself.
Particularly, I have observed that many people who consider themselves “anti-racists” (presumably orientated against all types of racism) nonetheless practice or tolerate racism against some (unfavored) groups.
Bulanik:
I am unable to conceive of the basis of your argument when my comments are directed towards treating all people equally.
Somehow equal treatment equates to “subjugation” and “dehumanization”? I would argue that the opposite is true.
Demerera:
Et tu?
I don’t recall making a single bigoted comment. Perhaps, just perhaps the frame with which you’re seeing this discussion is so far to one side that a person in the exact center is perceived as being off the page.
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Randy, could YOU name 20 types of “racisms” out of the top your head right now ? “Racisms” that compare with actual racism, that is white supremacy ? That have such a scale, have lasted for so long and done so much damage ?
I can’t. Stop lying to yourself. Be honest.
I am so fed with my fellow Euro-descendents from Europe or the Americas not being willing to recognize facts. Racism is still a political tool use to oppress, in particular Afro-descendents. It is still so deeply rooted in US law (but has been removed from French law for instance, from the Revolution on), to a point that you have schools telling you in NY state that if you don’t “choose” a race (or several now, it has changed a little in the last 20 years, it’s even more ridiculous) for your kids, “someone from the school will assign a race your child appears to belong to”… That is OUTRAGEOUS !
It is a modern time reminiscence of colonial law. Period. It has changed, it has just evolved.
I am reading a book on the construction of colonial societies in the French West Indies and it is sooo sick ! And so much of it is still here. With these white-minded people in full denial.
Racism is racism. It is the creation of our Europeans ancestors in the 17th and 18th centuries (oh how racists hate it when we remind them of that fact, they hate it so much). Out of the will to first classify, which can be seen as scientific, that’s Blumenbach’s work, but then leading hierarchy in the classification (that’s Linné, among others), as a tool to develop exploitation in the frame of capitalism. It is a political tool. That’s why it is still in the law.
Every time I react to a racist on forums or in debates (who knows I am light-skinned), it is the same discourse. “Maybe we are racists, but they too blah, blah, blah.” Every time ! It’s a pattern because it’s a disease.
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@ Randy
I’ve already squashed that “Anti-Racists are really hypocrites!” theory of yours in the past. But I see you’ve pretended that it’s never happened. Much like every other point of yours that has been refuted by the posters here. A stupid theory of yours gets shot down and you pretend that “it was all just a bad dream.”
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@Sam
Not being from britain but I can understand the basic idea inregards to “Plastic Brits”.
If your not from Britain, then your not british. If your not born there, your not from there, and no matter how long your there or how well you fit in, you’ll never truly be one of them.
Also it feels cheap for lack of a better word; the Olympics aren’t supposed to be like some kind of corporate basketball team where they do all they can to get the best players for their team or trade them next year for another one across the continent.
Its supposed to be about what your country represents, what it can “grow and produce” so to speak, a representation of that countries culture, people and what they accomplish.
I mean; just grabbing someone from another country all the way across the sea because their mom was born there or having an immigrant whose been there a couple months as an athlete just seems “off”.
To put it another way; no matter how much these athletes accomplish or do, it would be an indication not of the country they are representing but the countries that produced them.
Its a way of winning but at the same time; losing any real sense of national pride or deceny. If the only way you can win is to get athletes from some where else, that doesn’t speak too good of you, the general you I mean, not “You” personally or your nation or whatever.
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@cornilia:
“I am so fed with my fellow Euro-descendents from Europe or the Americas not being willing to recognize facts. Racism is still a political tool use to oppress, in particular Afro-descendents. It is still so deeply rooted in US law (but has been removed from French law for instance, from the Revolution on), to a point that you have schools telling you in NY state that if you don’t “choose” a race (or several now, it has changed a little in the last 20 years, it’s even more ridiculous) for your kids, “someone from the school will assign a race your child appears to belong to”… That is OUTRAGEOUS !
It is a modern time reminiscence of colonial law. Period. It has changed, it has just evolved.
I am reading a book on the construction of colonial societies in the French West Indies and it is sooo sick ! And so much of it is still here. With these white-minded people in full denial.
Racism is racism. It is the creation of our Europeans ancestors in the 17th and 18th centuries (oh how racists hate it when we remind them of that fact, they hate it so much). Out of the will to first classify, which can be seen as scientific, that’s Blumenbach’s work, but then leading hierarchy in the classification (that’s Linné, among others), as a tool to develop exploitation in the frame of capitalism. It is a political tool. That’s why it is still in the law.”
well said.
@v-4:
Ok. I get that. Like many european countries and arab countries do when they recruit africans to run for them in the games etc.
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*Disclaimer!*
Hi, I’m Phoebe, but my last name isn’t Prunelle and i am an exceptional Negress…
Yes at times i shuck n jive to get good marks in school… i also deny my African heritage when it is convenient for me to do so by saying that i am really mixed race with Native American…
I cannot stand to be around ghetto culture (e.g. loud talk, big gold bamboo earrings, long neon colored nails, gold teeth etc..)
I only hang out with other young black women who graduated from Spelman or Bennett College…
I received the UNCF twice to complete undergrad if i can do all of this then white people are not our problem, it is other black people who like to shame us exceptional Negroes and Negresses…
Cheers!
🙂
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@ Phoebes
LOL!
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@Cornlia
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/exceptional-negroes/#comment-141485
Your comment above. I really enjoyed. Thank you for your insight.
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Cornlia:
I was speaking about the nature of racism and how it appears to be a manifestation of a common human tendency towards “groupism”. If you want to compare “groupisms” to see which has had the greatest negative affects, then that’s a different discussion altogether.
Cornlia:
Convenient, but easily disprovable theory. There’s a racism described in the Bible for one thing. Also, racism among African peoples with the characteristic types of oppression, dehumanization, and violence.
See here: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/the-herero-and-nama-genocide/#comment-140432
And here: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/08/03/africa-the-last-13000-years/#comment-140565
I’m sure one could find numerous other examples all over the world and throughout history, but a theory needs but a single counterexample to be disproved.
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Franklin:
Squashed you say? Sorry if I missed it. If it’s not too much trouble, perhaps you might copy/paste a link to your earlier post.
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*Shakes his head and sighs!*
Randy you try to come off as an intellectual, but if you do not understand by now what these and other topics of race are about in this blog or other anti-racist blogs, then either you are extremely slow are the prime example of stubborn denial I ever seen.
When we talk about racism we:
-Talk about how it affects people of color personally and systematically.
-Discuss how it is more destructive than racism exhibited by people of color against whites.
-Talk about how is affects us mentally and emotionally to the point where some of us adapt to the racist mindset against our own peoples.
-Discuss how history -yes, history including slavery, yes slavery – is a major contributing factor as to how people of color are in the state they are today.
-Talk about how whites such as yourself are still living in a world of lies and see nothing wrong with it.
-Discuss why whites prefer to live in a world of lies.
-Talk about why living in said world of lies is harmful not just to people of color, but to whites as well.
As we can see the final point is seen here in your responses Randy. People are dumbfounded as to the level of wanton ignorance shrouded in a false studious jargon as if you want us to see you as some “civilized” individual who knows better than we do about a subject you deny that has any plausible meaning in today’s world – like Bulanik said.
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@ Randy
It starts with my direct response, which in a nutshell talks about “Seeing the Bigger Picture”, here:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/racist-white-teen-girls-goes-on-a-rant-about-blacks/#comment-117324
Then you tried to shift goal posts, here:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/racist-white-teen-girls-goes-on-a-rant-about-blacks/#comment-117360
Then I called you out on your blatant BS tactic, here:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/racist-white-teen-girls-goes-on-a-rant-about-blacks/#comment-117364
Although the discussion was ended with the first quote of mine, I just included the following ones for the readers here, so they can see how tedious it is to argue with you. Since you’re skilled in Mental Gymnastics AND repeating your moronic theories that consistently amount to nothing more than “huge piles of crap.”
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@randy:
“Cornlia:
It [racism] is the creation of our Europeans ancestors in the 17th and 18th centuries (oh how racists hate it when we remind them of that fact, they hate it so much).
Convenient, but easily disprovable theory. There’s a racism described in the Bible for one thing. Also, racism among African peoples with the characteristic types of oppression, dehumanization, and violence.”
Sorry, pal. The racism we know today and discuss about today is a product of the slave trade and big business of conquering and colonization. These brought in the need for explanation for the atrocities committed by the europeans across the “newly discovered” globe.
This is simplfied version how it came about:
Since God had created the whole world and humanbeings were all children of Adam and Eve and God’s creations, how can we slaughter them etc. at wanton? How can we justify slavery as a big business?? Elementary, my drear Watson: Let us claim that these OTHER people are not really people at all, but animals just like any other animal do they were given to us by God to exploit any way we can, just like the fish, lambs, cows etc.
This was the Birth of racism as we know it. Your use of concepts like “groupism” etc. do not say anything about it. Even the romans, the super nazis of antiques, did not think race as we know it. Even for them, no matter how xenophobic they were, being roman meant citizenship. That is why they had emperors like Philip the Arab, brittons and some others.
Even the crusaders aknowledged their adversaries as humans, despite the fact that they even ate them and behaved less than cordial way many times towards them, because even they were on satans side and heretics, they were men.
To put it simply, references to races in older texts do not refelct the same consept of race or racism that we have today. We have the “Modern” racism. One good point here is the realtions between the english and the scotts and irish. In medieval times when they were really truly going for it and killing each other and destroying their countries, they saw themselves as separate races BUT as humanbeings, with kings, noble men, knights, soldiers etc. on BOTH sides. It was only after the Birth of real racism, the irish became see as animals, dumb and dirty and sub human.
As a matter of fact, if you read old texts carefully, there is a a lot of debate among the nobles about their kin, are they the same race as we are and to which race the king belongs etc. meaning the family blood line. Not weather or not they are animals or sub humans. For those in power everybody below them were subjects. It was only later, in the 1500’s century and onwards, that the racism was truly born and even later, in 1800’s when it became ” a science”.
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I think this is kinda exaggerated..
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Mugabe? Really? Is that your only example of an African leader? Mugabe is a marxist terrorist that is destroying his own people for his own gain.
Now I get what your intended aim was but please – because Zimbabwe was once a colony they have the luxury of blaming their failed state on the white man (a typical African mindset and one being used repeatedly in South Africa as well by the marxist terrorist regime of the ANC who is also running what was once a great economy into the ground – but sure blame it all on the white man while they ensure that everyone black, white, mixed-race, indians etc – are starving).
Now, please go and look at places like Ethiopia which has never had a white government. Which was never colonised and has always been allowed to progress on their own – fantastic economic powerhouse right?
How about Haiti? They’ve been black ruled for 100+ years – economic powerhouse where everyone is happy and wealthy right? Not on your life.
The problem with black rule is that they have never truly understood what it was like to run a country – not a little tribe. It was the arrogance of the blacks that is now ruining the countries and forcing them into third world poverty. Instead of taking time to learn from the whites they pushed them out under threat of death and violence and now they blame all their ills on the whites because they have no clue what they are doing? Typical African mentality of entitlement and victimhood.
Seems like black Americans – despite living in one of the richest nations in the world with every opportunity at their feet are still playing the victim and race card. pathetic.
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@ Giggles
Thank you for illustrating one of the points in the post – that white racists judge blacks by the worst examples.
In the Western Hemisphere Haiti is easily the worst case and you jumped right to that. How interesting. And also, as they posts says, you account for their failure not as an exception nor through circumstances, like the huge debt France and America put on Haiti that took over a hundred years to pay off, but credited it to their race, as proof of how screwed up blacks are.
This would be like me saying that whites cannot properly govern themselves pulling up, say, Russia and Colombia as proof. There are probably worst examples than those but because the news is not constantly putting down whites they do not spring to mind – like how Zimbabwe and Haiti do.
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I point to Russia and Columbia and see communism as a cause (see ANC in South Africa and Mugabe as Aftican results of communism) – the same problem that Africa has. And I never said that it was a “black” thing – I said that it was the arrogance of those nations who had no idea that running a country takes more than the ability to vote and own things. Zimbabwe is proof of how 1 racist marxist took over a country, destroyed it in less than 20 years and then blames the whites who built the country into what it was for his failures – and then still goes back and asks those same “evil white colonists” for a handout when 1.6 million of his people are starving because of his regime.
I’ll show you Germany – completely decimated after WWII due to war debts as well as sanctions. In less than 20 years Germany had built itself up to a prospering nation and is now the economic powerhouse of Europe and is almost single-handedly sustaining the Euro. Now compare to Haiti.
I will continuously be branded a racist because I point out the flaws in your way of thinking. And FYI – I never said it was “black people” – I said it was a victim mentality that you all seem to share. I have no problems with a black government (I live under one myself that is trying its utmost to destroy the white population based on misinformation and a determined effort to destroy all education in South Africa). I have a problem with governments that cannot do their jobs and are too arrogant to ask for assistance in learning and growing ie: every single African country that is 3rd World, filled with corruption, crime, starvation and disease – all because the black people felt that they were “owed” something. The same entitlement attitude you now have.
As Americans I would think that this would not be an issue for you – you all have the very best of opportunities – its up to each and every single one of you to make the most of it whether in the face of diversity or not. Slavery was abolished hundreds of years ago and you still have a victim mentality – whites are against us and hate us etc. I do not understand the entitlement thought processes that black people are seemingly so fond of holding onto. And I take offence at being labelled racist simply because I point out flaws just because they so happen to apply to a black population.
And just so you know, I understand colonialism and how it affected black people in Africa – to en extent black South Africans have an excuse – Americans? Not so much.
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And I note that you didn’t even counter my mention of Ethiopia.
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@ Giggles
Again, you are doing just what the post says – comparing the best of whites with the worst of blacks.
Right, because this not a debate about black rule. It is not what the post is about. I was trying to tie your somewhat off-topic comments to the post itself.
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I was going to chime in and provide counter examples to the copy-n-paste white stupidity that is Giggles post, but I don’t like to venture off topic when it comes to an overly emotional white, who can’t read.
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And your ad hominem arguments are only appealing to people who have the same view point as you.
You are the one who mentions “Mugabe’s rule in Zimbabwe”. I was pointing out that it is not simply Mugabe’s rule in Zimbabwe. But look at all the other African countries and those run by blacks.
The simply truth is that communism appeals to blacks because they like getting free things without having to really work for it. And Communism is what is tearing the countries down. Now, if you find a black man that will actually subscribe to a capitalist thought pattern is is invariably a success.
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And I like to try and remain as liberal as possible when confronted with a black imbecile that is exactly telling of why black people cannot think logically – all you see is the fact that I’m not on your side.
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@ Giggles
It is not ad homimem – I made it clear why your thinking is illogical. I called it racist because that is what it is. You are cherry-picking to make whites look good and blacks look bad. Germany and Haiti? I mean, get serious. I can play that game too, if you like, but you would immediately call it racist and ridiculous. Because it is.
If your argument were merely about the ills of communist rule then it would not be racist – but then there would be no reason to bring in Haiti either.
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@ Giggles
I made it very clear in the post how people like you think, why it is illogical and why it is racist. It has nothing to do with which side you take.
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I am not trying to make whites look good – white people have enough to tarnish their reputations.
I simply point out the inadequacies of a black run government and I’m racist. And every single black run country has its roots in communism – the whole idea of “give back to the people” is communist in nature.
And I call you racist because you are quite incapable of conceding the fact that black people screw up their countries because they were not ready to govern when they took power. In fact, you refuse to admit to any fallibility on the part of a black instead attributing it to the whites. That is racist.
Now because I actually do have a job and don’t wait for handouts I’ll go do that instead of rubbing shoulders with the dregs of international society.
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@ Giggles
I have written parodies of white racist thinking. Here are some of them
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/08/04/are-the-british-human/
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/07/19/native-europeans/
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/bma-black-mental-age/
That is how ridiculous your style of thought seems to me. The first one is based on racist cherry picking, what you do, the second on racist framing and terminology, the third on ranking people according to a racist standard.
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@ Giggles
It’s not that you’re not “not on my side”, which I don’t care about. (Which is just you demonstrating how much you over estimate your own self worth.) It’s that you chose simply the latest topic on a “black blog” as an opportunity to vent, and go off on a tangent that at its core was nothing more than a giant Red Herring. Which really just demonstrates that you’re yet another overly sensitive white who can’t take criticism, and in the mists of his knee-jerking rant of “critiquing blacks”, he engages in a predictable personality projection. Where he clearly accuses someone else (blacks) of doing the exact same thing that drove him to comment on this blog in the first place.
You’re not nearly as clever as you wish you were, as I could see right through you. Another “Transparent White Poster”, if you will.
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You mean RACIST black blog. and blacks don’t need me to critique them – the way they live their lives, destroy anything and everything around them and expect to be given everything does that for them. And then when they are called out on their blatant hate-mongering and inaccuracies and own perverted view of their own innocence and persecution they call me racist. then so be it – I am a racist. And that shows already that I am better than you – I admit it. you hide behind a false sense of justification because you are unable to actually compete in any meaningful sense with a white person. I’m sure your next welfare cheque is on its way better go wait for it to land in your lap.
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@ Giggles
Racist black blog? Hardly. So much for hiding behind “the telling unfortunate truths doesn’t make you racist” line, eh? Guess that only works one way.
It’s funny how it only takes a tiny bit of prodding to erode away that notoriously false and thin white veneer of “wanting an honest discussion” to uncover the white troll beneath. You’re a joke, and your next response will no doubt prove this even further. Also note that I never once called you “racist”. But since you jumped the gun and outed yourself when you became hilariously emotional, you just saved me and all of us here some time.
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Giggles, what makes you think black Americans are playing the victom card ? They are active in all aspects of American life, aceiving and contributing to society .Factual studies have shown with out a doubt that there are racist obsticles and discrimination in various aspects of life, like looking for housing, schools in black neighborhoods are less taken care of, bank loans, looking for jobs, problems with police ,etc You expect people to not be angry and concerned about that ? To not discuss it and point it out and put it into historical perspective ?
……. there have always been exceptional people in the black community that just didnt show up on white radar…
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I actually agree with you on this point – somewhat.
It’s not that the Black Africans in some countries didn’t want to learn from Whites, they weren’t given the opportunity to learn administration and how to build and maintain infrastructure. You need engineers for many of these things. You have to be taught this in schools; the very same schools that barred Blacks from learning these things because it would make them independent. If you have a severe lack of engineers, it doesn’t matter how many workers you have. You need planners and people who understand technical mathematics and how to make things work smoothly and efficiently. Black African in certain countries were not allowed to learn these things, so how do you expect them to transition smoothly without these vital skills?
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@giggles: Oh, those darn commies, again! Oh no, where are the jews?
Wake up, dude! CCCP collapsed 20 years ago, you ignoramus. There are no communist countries in the world today, dummie.
“I’ll show you Germany – completely decimated after WWII due to war debts as well as sanctions. In less than 20 years Germany had built itself up to a prospering nation and is now the economic powerhouse of Europe”
And with this statement you reveal how ignorant you really are. West Germany, BRD, did not built itself up at all. It was built up mainly by americans, american cash and by the political desicion by the western allies to favor it in trade and business. That is the reason behind the Economic miracle of BDR. Sure, germans worked hard, but like you said, after the war they nothing to work with. That is why the american capital, Marshall aid and non profit loans etc. were essential for that economic recovery. Reason was that there was DDR, communist East Germany, which was scaring the bejezus of the pants of the west.
I think you really should go back to school or at least back to some history lessons, or google some facts.
And I just wonder why you were so adamant to claim that you are pure african on the other thread and over here go berserk about the “blacks”. But then again, you are true blue boer and that explains a lot. Yes, I know YOUR history too.
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You present a childish argument. You must be very young or very naive. You don’t know anyone here personally, but you’re acting as if you know everyone intimately. How are you better? You could work at Walmart and I could be a Doctor. You don’t know anyone here or what they have or have not accomplished. You act as if you’re better than an entire group of people, you have little to no knowledge of.
If you are better, you certainly don’t seem like it from what you have posted so far.
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Brothawolf:
I was unsure how to respond to your comment. Forgive me if the text below is rather disjointed.
You seem to be suggesting that what is desired is understanding and empathy. Is that all?
No, I don’t think so. Ultimately, you and others are arguing for changes in personal belief systems and practices, and changes in public policy.
So then what is the nature of this challenge?
Basically, you’ll need to persuade people who up until this point have not embraced your views, and then get them to implement specific policies.
And you hope to accomplish this with merely an appeal to empathy? I would argue that empathy and rationalism are not opposed, but rather can (and must!) work together.
Empathy is merely a tool by which one party’s viewpoint can be understood by another party.
What then? Here’s where I go back to rationalism. Any problem is only solvable by properly defining the issue and carefully developing, testing, and implementing a solution.
If all you want is sympathy, then you and GWLs like JT and sam can go off and have yourselves a nice man-cry. Of course, that would change nothing.
If you want real and lasting changes to personal and public policies, then you’re going to need water tight, razor sharp definitions of the challenges and solutions and be able to defend your beliefs against the best rational arguments you can find (better yet, seek them out!). Through iterations of this process you’ll turn a lump of carbon into diamond.
Brothawolf:
I claim nothing of the sort. I’m just a regular guy who desires to think and communicate with as much logic and clarity as I’m capable of mustering.
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Randy, I am talking about present day, 300-year old racism. The one that Afro-descendents are presently undergoing.
“Racism” in the Bible is part of what racists (the real ones) refer to to justify their ideology (not science).
“Racism” in Africa ? If there is any, I’ll let Africans take care of it. It’s none of my business.
Unless… of course, you’re talking about actual racism introduced by the Europeans, as is the case in the creation of “races” amongst African, the root of the problem in Rwanda.
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This Giggles character reminds me of DuckDuckGoofs, someone who wants to add his 2 cents because he is a know-it-all and wants to also disrupt the discussion.
and this person also sounds like a white American, only white Americans talk about “victims” “race cards” and “entitlements” and link it to black Americans — whites outside of US do not know or care about these political issues that the white American media likes to talk about–that’s an American thing.
Abagond, I love how your white American racists come here and try to pretend that they are European or non-American to try and show how enlightened they are when it comes to black people in general whether from Africa or any other country but their ignorance of other cultures is astounding and it’s what out’s them
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Thank god , or we’ll be just as crazy as you guys. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/04/us-europe-mental-illness-idUSTRE7832JJ20110904
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@ Jared
lol That’s awesome. Thanks for the link!
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@Giggles
Until reunification took place, the US government gave West Germany upwards of $1,000,000,000/year in cash (on top of “Preferred Trade Partner” status, plenty of those now-demonised H1-B visas, discounted building materiel such as concrete and steel, and more than its share of positive publicity.) In fact, when updated to modern dollars, Germany received more financial aid from the US *alone* in forty years than Haiti has *ever* received in international financial aid.
But wait, there’s more! America (until 1993), had over 200,000 military members stationed in Germany on any given year. Those military members (for the most part) spent at least 50% of their biweekly paychecks in the local economy. A young American soldier (and the vast majority of *new* military members were and still are sworn in between the ages of 18-21), would have found himself living in a country in which beer was a dime, a full meal was $0.50 and an entire night with a licensed prostitute was less than $10 (never mind the various good time girls, war widows and the “I’d never/I wouldn’t normally do this, but…”, women, all of whom could be enjoyed for less than $5 cash or supplies.) The running joke among mid-ranked military officials upon learning that yet another young man was being sent to West Germany (as recently as the 1980’s, I should add), was, “There’s another Chapter 13.” It was very common for soldiers to fight any attempt to return to America, and for any non-married returning soldier to arrive at his new base with dozens of boxes and empty pockets. For a young man who was accustomed to earning $1/day or less, Germany was a country in which their rent and utilities were pre-paid, their creature needs were free (chow halls and showers were/are free for the lowest ranks) and Uncle Sugar *gave* them 2-3x as much money in two weeks as they’d earn in a month (this was an especially apt comparison for minority enlistees, who would have earned half as much as their white counterparts in pre-Civil Rights America.) What do you *think* they did with their money, when they were living in a country in which a full stomach and empty testicles could be had with the cost of 1/2 a day’s work?
Here’s an example of what your “average” soldier (post-war) did with his money, assuming that he didn’t meet base levels of attractiveness for women in a country in which having access to *chocolate* on a more-than-monthly basis meant that you were well in middle class status.
Monday-receive $40 check
Monday night-10 beers for $1.50, oral sex with woman for $2 of chocolate
Tuesday night-same amount of beer at same price, same sex for same price with different woman
Wednesday night-same and same, substitute nylons or a dozen pairs of shoelaces
Thursday night-same and same, substitute schnapps for beer, substitute English lessons
Friday night-5 beers and 5 shots for $3 (in town with hotter women), around the world sex with hotter woman for $5/entire night
Saturday night-same as Friday night
Sunday-tithe and rest
For the mathematically challenged, that’s $30 spent by *one lower rank* soldier in *one* week. Thirty dollars that was injected directly into the West German economy, not frittered away among the higher classes of German society. That’s $30 in one week at a time in which $30 was a month’s rent and bread and some meat (because even a relatively stupid German knew how to get/grow his or her own fruits and vegetables.) In a year, a relatively “temperate” low-ranked soldier (let’s assume that he gets burnt out on easy sex and cheap beer in a year’s time) would have added close to $1000 to his local economy. Now, remember that at one point, America was swapping out upwards of 50,000 low-ranked military personnel per year. Most of whom would have either been too poor or too “shy”/repressed/disciplined to do something as low as get drunk and fornicate on even a weekly basis in their own town… If you assume that 10% of the newbies and 10% of the permanent party members were going all out, that would mean that there would be about 20,000 men spending $1000/year ($20 million) on their local bars and brothels. In fact, according to the majority of the veterans who I’ve known and with whom I’ve served, the number is more like 50% ($100 million/year). The American military spent so much money on beer and p*ssy (in Germany) that the *word* “Bar” in German is functionally equivalent to “brothel”. And for those men who didn’t go all out on an alcohol/sex binge, there was still plenty of cheap food, tailored clothes, intra-national travel, novelty/cultural items, etc., on which to spend their monies. And that’s just counting your privates and airmen, marines and seamen. I’m not counting the British, French, Irish, Scandinavian, etc., soldiers (or countries’) money, either.
But yeah, “Germany got rich by selling their own items without anyone else’s help.” You’re ignorant of your own historical incompetence. Please, step your game up.
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“Bulanik
Linda, and even if both these groups do have a united front now, and say they are The Same, could Giggles tell us the exact reasons why that is so?”
Linda says,
I agree.
Would be interesting to hear since both countries (USA and South Africa) were invaded and occupied by Europeans, who would not have survived if they did not receive help by the indigenous population (black/brown) that ended up being enslaved and killed by the white settlers/invaders.
Only exception is that the Native Indians have not been able to take back their ancestral lands.
anyway, don’t want to stray too far off topic.
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The author of this blog is obsessed with white people LMAO… All it ever is is how black folks are treated unfairly… meh
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Good catch Linda lol. America has its own terminology. Come to think of it, “race card” is a funny term. Are we playing a game here?
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Says the atheist who spends much of his time speaking out against the religious. 😛
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That would be a good point if my entire blog focused on religious people, but it doesn’t. I’ve gone months without even mentioning the topic… Abagond though is all about white people and black people, but mostly white people. Its about how white people view blacks, or how they view native americans or asians. Its about how white people think etc. Its all about white people.
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Hey, he blogged about an Asian guy last year, ok.
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@ Big Boss
Well, as far as I know, this isn’t a general blog. It’s a blog exactly tailored for the issues Abagond talks about. So, I don’t see how it’s strange to talk about the very thing you are trying to study – Black and White relations.
It’s like going to a website about Italian food and asking why are there so many pasta recipes.
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“Abagond though is all about white people and black people, but mostly white people. Its about how white people view blacks, or how they view native americans or asians. Its about how white people think etc. Its all about white people.”
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Boss-
Yes, it’s a wonderfully revealing smorgasbord about systemic RACISM/WHITE SUPREMACY – the delusional manufactured justifications for it, how this persistent mistreatment affects people who aren’t white – every nuance of how it works, is maintained and refined – and the frequent white troll(s) who inadvertently visits this blog and proves (by being an example of) the very point described in many of his posts.
It’s among the best blogs on the net that tells/demonstrates the truth about the ills of WHITENESS, don’t you think??
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@Jared, i read that study, i have been hearing this for years…i think they may not be getting enough sunlight.
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Cornlia:
Here’s a conceit common to claimants of the “racism was invented by Europeans” trope. When called on it, the inevitable response is something like, “well, I meant that European racism was invented by Europeans.”
Sorry, but that’s a tautology, and it downplays the very dehumanizing and genocidal forms of racism which have been documented for thousands of years.
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It is funny how all racists have the same comments ready at hand when “theirs” are attacked.
Yes, RACE-ism, was invented in the 17th century and was developed and used as a tool of exploitation in the subsequent centuries to subjugate dark-skinned Africans, so called blacks, in particular. And other so-called races too who somehow got rid of the racial epithets to call themselves who they are.
Of course there have been other forms of rejection, subjugation and destruction, on small scales and over short periods. Not like the deeds of white supremacy. That is why it is such a problem, actually.
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Franklin:
That’s actually not a bad argument to make, though you’d be claiming that anti-racists actually do acknowledge that racism against white people exists, but that they’re simply too busy putting out a bigger fire to worry about it.
As comments in these past few posts have demonstrated, there’s quite a few people who hold a belief that racism is an exclusive invention and tool of Europeans used against non-Europeans.
Further, your defense of apparent hypocrisy by self-labeled “anti-racists” falls flat in one important aspect. You cited a teacher who curves a few test scores to benefit a larger group of students. Presumably the teacher stands for academic honesty and yet is contravening it by that act.
What you’ve missed is the effect of knowledge of this for-the-greater-good dishonesty. Maybe it works if the act is all in secret, but should the knowledge become publicly available, the integrity of the entire organization can come into question.
In the past, I’ve suggested that anti-racists who hold racist beliefs should instead argue in favor of “corrective racism” and hold a debate from that more honest platform. Such an argument would be immune to charges of hypocrisy. Heck, it might even be successful.
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@ Randy
Either tell what in the world your argument has to do with this post OR continue your debate under Broken Record #4:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/blacks-are-just-as-racist/
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^^^ Sorry, it does appear to be off topic.
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@ Franklin
If you want to reply to Randy do it on the designated thread. Otherwise you are helping him to derail this one.
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Hey Phoebe,
It’s either the lack of sunlight or guilt is weighing heavily on their minds.
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Abagond:
As with other aspects of life, being a respectable “Negro” has pros and cons. The Pro…you’re liked and accepted by white society, thus, you have access to certain aspects of the majority society that your fellow black sisters and brothers don’t have. The Con…becoming an honorary member of the dominant group pulls you further away from the grassroots of your community, race, etc. Oprah Winfrey is a perfect example of why this mindset is problematic. Desiring to be the “Queen” of daytime tv, she abandoned the black community in exchange for likeability by whites, whitewomen specifically. With the creation of her own network(OWN), she wrongly assumed that liberal whitewomen would continue to support her, Not So! Because of that, the network is struggling to make money. Oprah tossed blackwomen aside, and now she’s begging them to come to her rescue, otherwise, the network will fail. Oprah should be a lesson to all black people, don’t forsake your own to be liked by others.
Tyrone
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Jared, guilt mixed with a whole lot of “genetic insecurity”.
😉
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Giggles: Germany owes many many widows and orphans and countries more reparations than she can ever hope to pay. If you ask me, she’s earning on stolen dime.
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I find it interesting that the focus by so call “real Blacks” is always about what Whites do, yet the majority of issue facing Blacks globally is really Blacks on Blacks. I bet if those South African police were White, there would be a major outcry, and those so call “Black leaders” would be all over it.
The amount of violence, neglects, viciouness, etc.. which exist amongs Blacks is never honestly discussed.
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Now, please go and look at places like Ethiopia which has never had a white government. Which was never colonised and has always been allowed to progress on their own – fantastic economic powerhouse right?
Ethiopia was colonized by Italy throughout its history. It wasn’t consistent colonization, as they overthrew the Italians on various counts; nonetheless, they were colonized. Ethiopians were also taken to the Middle East as slaves.
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“Again, you are doing just what the post says – comparing the best of whites with the worst of blacks.” Abagond please explain what you mean by we Haitians being the worst of blacks? Haitians have contributed materially a hell of a lot to the liberation of blacks in the western hemisphere by making our support for south american liberation from spain contingent on freeing the slaves.
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@ Gro Jo
I was addressing Giggles who was comparing Germany and Haiti economically, so “best” and “worst” means in terms of economics. There are black countries right next to Haiti which are not as poor. Likewise Germany is one of the richer white countries. Giggles was cherry picking, just as the post says. On a moral plain, Germany is among the worst, way worse than Haiti. But again, as the post predicted, Giggles chose not to make that comparison either.
Note that even economically Haiti is not the worst black country but then neither is Germany the best.
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Next time a Giggles type shows up and starts talking nonsense about blacks being unable to rule themselves ask him what became of the 40 acres and a mule they were supposed to get after 1865. The idiot claims that blacks refused to learn from white, he should thank his lucky star for that, had we been apt pupils we would have done to them what they did to us.
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Gro Jo I had never read you around here, but I like the comment above ^. It always gets me that other so-called “whites” (I am classified as “white” in the US) never get that. Do they *really* want others to act “whitely” ?? Really ?
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Giggles made several claims that members of this community took seriously, they shouldn’t have bothered since he was doing it “just for shits and giggles”. I’ll restrict myself to his comments on Haiti. According to Giggles Haiti is 100+ years old in fact it is 209 years old. Giggles said “You mean RACIST black blog. and blacks don’t need me to critique them – the way they live their lives, destroy anything and everything around them and expect to be given everything does that for them. ” What has anybody given Haitians and what have Haitians destroyed? The Haitian peasant using very primitive tools managed to feed the nation for over a century and created enough extra wealth to allow a tiny “elite” made up of mostly whites and mulattoes and some blacks to live like kings, two of them took the wealth created in Haiti to France where they contributed to the advancement of France’s aviation industry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Terres_Weymann, http://books.google.com/books?id=5_7IRHZGyzMC&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=haitian+financed+bleriot&source=bl&ots=npqxf0fZA3&sig=PcgVKeWWqyz5y-14HY1aFCTf-cg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dGhoUZTRL8e64AOC84GABg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=haitian%20financed%20bleriot&f=false. When the centenary of Bleriot’s crossing of the English channel came in 2009 no recognition for the role played by mr. Laraque’s money in the feat came. In 1807 Haiti was so poor without the good kind French that King Henry’s kingdom alone had trade with Britain worth £1,200,000 or $6,616,560,000 in 2011 dollars. Universal free education was started, help was given to Bolivar and other Latin Americans to get rid of Spanish rule and abolish slavery, and several impressive constructions were undertaken. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citadelle_Laferri%C3%A8re.
Giggles also said “Instead of taking time to learn from the whites they pushed them out under threat of death and violence and now they blame all their ills on the whites because they have no clue what they are doing?” Here are the words of Charles Leclerc, Captain General of the French expedition to Saint-Domingue “Since terror is the sole resource left me, I employ it”, and, “We must destroy all the mountain negroes, men and women, sparing only children under twelve years of age. We must destroy half the negroes of the plains…” Who can learn anything from such severe teacher? Henry Christophe had the misfortune of sending his oldest son, Ferdinand, to France to be educated, the poor kid was promptly killed because he insisted on getting the education his father had sent him for and also because his father had the balls to fight the French attempt to restore slavery. I have my own complaints against Haitian culture that are based on facts not racist myths. After the fall of Christophe’s kingdom his positive reforms such as universal education were dismantled by this “elite” because with the access to universal education their pretense to knowledge would have been seen for the sham it was.
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Helpless Darkie become the Poster Child to become the face of poverty porn for money from white guilt. If the Poster Child fall hard without high help. She or he become the stereotype
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You need proper citations.
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@Ashlee
You need to learn when to use a citation.
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Blks being violent.white people read this columbine and mass shootings why you lost your wife are you about to go broke.let me see Everytime I hear a story some white man are white woman took out the whole family for insurance money it can happen to any race of people but whites lead the nation in being violent.a restaurant fight between two gangs in I think Waco TX.but the feds was scared to take action against them fearing for their life but you out hear killing blk young males and all kinds of evil stuff.note this my blk people when white people open their small lips and say blk teenagers are blk people period are violent go to columbine on they ass.timothy McVeigh any one ,David koresh they asked was he a Messiah hell no he is not.not if you impregnating under age girls had them in a standoff where eventually where majority of them lost their lives.
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