The fig leaf argument excuses a greater evil by bringing up a lesser evil. Like if your mother caught you taking five cookies from the cookie jar, you point out that your brother took one. Or if there is a plank in your eye you point out the speck in your brother’s eye.
It is a common sort of argument used by white racists. Like excusing the millions upon millions of people killed by whites in racist genocides in Europe, North America, South America and Australia by pointing out the Rwandan genocide which killed fewer than a million.
Some whites seem to honestly believe in this argument (“Africans took part in the slave trade!”, etc), but in practice it is more a derailment than anything.
It is a good way to derail almost any talk by blacks of the evils of white history. Let them say whatever they want about slavery, genocide, lynchings, institutional racism and blah, blah, blah, blah. Just wait your turn and then bring out some statistic about black street crime. Blacks will then feel the need to defend themselves against the lesser charge and forget about the greater one against whites.
Cool trick!
That is the unserious use of the argument. It does not require personal belief in it – it is just a cheap trick to derail an argument. It works well for those who care more about winning an argument than in trying to understand the truth of things.
Arguably it is also a white racist defence mechanism – a way for whites to avoid facing up to the truth about themselves.
At the serious level, though, whites have committed evils on a scale way beyond those of blacks. Because whites over the past 500 years have had vastly more power than blacks. It is not even close.
Take murder, for example. In 2009, according to the FBI, blacks in America killed 245 more whites than whites killed blacks. If you extend that back to the day the slaves were freed, that comes to something like 36,000 murdered white people.
But that is just street crime. What about all the blacks who died in the slave trade? What about all the blacks who were worked to death on purpose? That comes to 27.3 million dead black people. The African Diaspora (of which Americans are a fourth) will need more than 25,000 years of street crimes just to catch up.
Maybe if we throw in black genocides against whites that will help to speed things up – except that there have been none! At least none that have killed over a million whites. The same goes for whites who died because of the black slave trade. Or who were worked to death by black slave owners. And so on.
If we made a fig leaf that was 1/25,000th the width of the human body it would not even be as wide as a hair.
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Great post, abagond. Time and time again commenters here have witnessed this argument by racists particularly white racists who come on your blog. As you mentioned, they’ll trot out the, “But blacks do it, too!” comment as if that makes white racists any less culpable.
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Abagond said on another thread that he didn’t consider whites “uniquely evil”. Yet time and again he brings up whites shortcomings (both real and imagined) in an attempt to use it as a club with which to beat them. And yet when someone points out that others have done similar he wants to call it a “fig leaf”. That’s very hypocritical of him. Apparently, he wants whites to lay down while he beats them. Tough titty. It ain’t happening.
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The problem is ,Abagond,that not all genocides are morally equal. I use morally not in the sense of the slave morality advocated by liberals, but in the sense of advancing or retarding human progress which I believe is the only factor of value.The difference between the Rwandan genocide and the ones you mentioned is the difference between two types of genocides: genocides of envy and genocides of progress. In an genocide of envy (which is usually the most murderous of the two) like Rwanda and Nazy Germany the majority population turns against a successful minority out of sheer spite. The differences between the two are merely of organization and style. The Germans with their higher IQ could craft some pseudo science excuses for what was a pure tribal tantrum. The Rwandans took a more hands on approach but the results are identical. The reason why these types of genocides are so viscerally morally repulsive is that they are completely destructive, they do nothing except to deprive a society of it’s finest intellects and to debase civilization.
In contrast the genocides in North America, South America and Australia were done in the name of human progress. I prefer to have a civilized Australia instead of one inhabited by some flint knapping savages with the lowest IQs on record . In America the same applies. In primitives vs civilization I always side with civilization. The same applies to black slavery. While it sucked for them, the capital created by slavery permitted an enormous improvement in economic conditions in Europe and the jump start of the modern era. This is the difference between these things.
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@davser
By any chance would you be RH negative?
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I’m O
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The reason I ask is that…If I allowed myself to think like that then I would fall into the “teachings” and “beliefs that I am a “God” that “Descends from a pure blood line” I would wipe out all the majority of Human Race because they are considered to be “primitives” with “lower IQs” in comparison to the “Gods” that Have RH negative blood. This ideology was based off of some beliefs that span from the fact that our blood attacks and kills the babies in our wombs that do not share our blood type (Yes…That portion is true…unfortunately). These people are actually trying to have our blood type designated as its own race! It reminds me of “cult” beliefs.
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Genocide of progress, eh?
Let me kill your child, your father and your friend so i may be smarter and more open minded tomorrow.
If industry is progress
Then a genocide at industrial level is
a genocide of progress
Genocide of progress !!! accept no substitute!
(warranted with a fair level of european-ness)
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All genocide is equally abhorrent and does not count as a speck in anyone’s eye.
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@ davser
For someone who just criticized Nazi Germany, you sure do seem to enjoy genocide. Explain to me this, do you honestly think any of those genocides you mentioned were in the name of “progress”? Because they were not, they were in the name of greed and hatred, plain and simple. And those “savages” were civilizations as much as those who tried to wipe them out. Honestly, if anyone was being savages, it was the people who decided that entire cultures were clearly unimportant enough that it was A-OK to murder them all without a second thought. And the fact that you and way, way, WAY too many other people think that some bullshit “Manifest Destiny” or some natural “superiority” made it okay to go murdering millions of people shows that you have who’s “civilized” and who’s “savages” flipped.
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I do this at times with loved ones.
At least i it admit. For every one wrong i dish out, I derail their anger by pointing out numerous times that they have wronged me. Can’t explain it though. Seems to be human nature.
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@ davser
I often think about what could have happened if Africa, Australia, South America, were allowed to progress. Maybe we would have found the cure for cancer, some awesome means of living on this earth without destroying it. Timbuktu was one of the greatest centers of learning, and even Europeans studied at the University there. China, Japan and India had their own unique cultures too.. so I don’t get it. When the Nazis in Germany wanted to prove the superiority of the White race they went to Tibet. They were trying to rewrite history to prove that it was whites (Aryans) who were superior. They borrowed heavily from Tibetian Buddhist culture and occult pratices. The guy at Prophet.tv was running a good documentary about this. Yet almost daily he rants and raves about Black people, and what is wrong with us. It is sad to watch at times, because he has been given a profound level of understanding about spiritural warfare, but fails to recognize his own bais. So listening to him is a “bit like taking the bitter with the sweet.” I’ve learned in this culture I have to take what I like and leave the rest.
Perhaps the cure for cancer existed in the Amazon, but due to the Spanish conquest the cultures were destroyed. So I often wonder what could have been contributed to this world that we missed out on because of European aggression and destruction of other people’s cultures. How many of us would like to slap the guy who burned down the library at Alexandria. Those cultures were not static, and they would have progressed quite nicely if left alone. White supramacy is so pervasive and so far reaching that one can go to just about any country in the world, and find out with a minimum of observation how the culture has been impacted, and the psyche of the people have been overshadowed by White supramist ideology and thinking, an example is how they treat each other based on skin tone. There is no justification for genocide, and davser don’t forget the Rhawandan genocide happened in part because the French colonist favored one group over another, divide and conquer. This created animosity and hostility between the two groups that lasted well after the French left. The Willie Lynch theory is alive and well today, and goes a long way toward explaining what is happening among people of color worldwide. Genocide and the pratice of genocide cannot be justified in any context. Maybe it was Europe that was truly not ready to encounter the world yet, maybe Europe needed a little more time to evolve beyond a one sided world view?
Progression of civilization: Egypt->Greece->Rome->Western Europe, conquest of world, each progressive culture starting with Greece borrowed heavily from the past cultures before it. A good way to figure this out is take a look at the God/Goddesses of the Yourba culture, them look at Egypt’s, them Greeces, and Romes, then the Catholic church. What made it easy for Europeans to pratice what you call “genocides done for human progress” is the discovery of Chinese gun powder, then creating weapons, and having had diseases that indigenous people had not been exposed to.
http://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/show/episode3.html
http://robwrite.hubpages.com/hub/Why-the-Native-Americans-ultimately-lost-America
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them look at Egypt’s, them Greece’s
Yikes!
then look at Egypt’s, then Greece’s
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@ Davser,
I just vomited reading your comment. Despicable.
“In contrast the genocides in North America, South America and Australia were done in the name of human progress. I prefer to have a civilized Australia instead of one inhabited by some flint knapping savages with the lowest IQs on record . In America the same applies. In primitives vs civilization I always side with civilization. The same applies to black slavery. While it sucked for them, the capital created by slavery permitted an enormous improvement in economic conditions in Europe and the jump start of the modern era. This is the difference between these things.”
What the hell, I am sorry to say this as I know it is against the rules, but, you are a big fat r-cist… Of the worst possible kind, on a scale from 1 to a million, you sit on a billion.
You have just classified us non-whites as NON-HUMANS. You say, “yeah it’s ok to commit genocide for human progress”… Uhmm excuse me? WHOSE PROGRESS? You mean WHITE progress don’t you????? All of a sudden, White progress is HUMAN progress. What in Gods Planet…. So according to you, whites can descend upon africa at this very second, wipe out the whole population and if they say, “yeah it had to be done, no more black crime, not to mention all that uninhabited land, we have achieved progress, wait wait, not just progress, Human Progress” you’ll be like, “Yessssssssssssss that’s my kind of genocide”….
Wowzers… I am in shock.
Wtf, that means you believe all that BS about black inferiority white supremacy shyt.
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I just wrote a comment currently awaiting moderation… I have now regained my composure after suffering through davser’s comment..
Time to dissect it in a logical manner to see the inner workings of the deranged white mind.
1st paragraph,
It is a clear example of the white mind doing its “rational” thing, in this case building up to the 2nd paragraph where the slime underneath the veneer truly comes out.
2nd Paragraph
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“In contrast the genocides in North America, South America and Australia were done in the name of human progress. I prefer to have a civilized Australia instead of one inhabited by some flint knapping savages with the lowest IQs on record . In America the same applies. In primitives vs civilization I always side with civilization. The same applies to black slavery. While it sucked for them, the capital created by slavery permitted an enormous improvement in economic conditions in Europe and the jump start of the modern era. This is the difference between these things.”
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After rationalizing to convince us what kind of genocide is the VALID one, here we delve much deeper into the working of his mind.
First of all he talks about HUMAN PROGRESS?
That is funny, HUMAN? Who exactly are these HUMANS? Is it black people? Is it the native americans? Is it the aborigines? Is it all of us as a collective? Or is he doing something more insidious? My black eyes read Human Progress as White Crime.. All of a sudden White has turned to HUMAN and Crime has turned to Progress. Yes talk about a gift with words…
Then he talks about savages vs civilization…
Who gets to define what a savage is? I guess it is us HUMANS… What about civilization? Yes us Humans as well…
In Conclusion
We get to see that Savages are standing in the way of civilization.. And we get to see that progress is getting those savages out of the way of civilization. We also see that savages are not human since they don’t equate to human progress. We also get to see that this particular brand of genocide is progress, I guess we can call it Progressive Genocide, the morally acceptable kind.
Lastly, who gets to define all these terms… Humanity who as it turns out is the deranged white person.
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You know what crossed my mind when I read this post? The Arab Trader argument.
Davser,
Morally equal genocides??? There are no such thing as morally equal genocides! Hell, there is no such thing as a moral genocide period!
Then after your first paragraph you continued, “In contrast the genocides in North America, South America and Australia were done in the name of human progress. I prefer to have a civilized Australia instead of one inhabited by some flint knapping savages with the lowest IQs on record . In America the same applies. In primitives vs civilization I always side with civilization. The same applies to black slavery. While it sucked for them, the capital created by slavery permitted an enormous improvement in economic conditions in Europe and the jump start of the modern era. This is the difference between these things.”
Even if it was for “human progress” as you say, that doesn’t make it glorious by any means. I agree with Wilson when he explained it brilliantly when he said “That is funny, HUMAN? Who exactly are these HUMANS? Is it black people? Is it the native americans? Is it the aborigines? Is it all of us as a collective? Or is he doing something more insidious? My black eyes read Human Progress as White Crime.. All of a sudden White has turned to HUMAN and Crime has turned to Progress. Yes talk about a gift with words…”
Davser, that comment was filled with BS mixed with stupidity with a side helping of moral bankruptcy.
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@ wilson
+1
I had the almost same reaction when I read this nonsense. I literally almost puked in my own mouth.
I was waiting to be in the comfort of my home to write an answer to that disgusting post but you basically wrote what I was going to respond.
Thanks for exposing that lunatic for what he really is.
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You know Davser might not be so wrong with his classification of moral vs immoral genocides…(at least in terms of how white people view genocide)
I have always wondered why the International Criminal Court mostly only ever prosecutes Black/Brown people for crimes against Humanity…
It has never dawned on me that they might be using the same definition..
I guess that means Blair and Bush didn’t commit any crime. In a twisted way they are pioneers of humanity, advancing humanity forward, getting the savages out of the way for the sake of progress.
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@Davesar of course the smart and intelligent Europeans had to destroy to make “progress” for everyone….I mean HUMANS! Everyone knows they are the most superior and strategic race on the planet! Geez, just so smart and resourceful. Enough to replace ALL/cover up the “savages” culture and put theirs in because “Their culture is all right! and theirs wrong”. My goodness, it seems you guys always gotta help “fix” everything and help these poor clueless dumb non-whites(savages) to fit in *sad face*, because they’re just not intelligent enough to understand the full concept of civilization and progress. I mean it’s not like your ancestors EVER learned or took from them? Please, like anyone would go against someone as moral/right/smart as you. Clearly you know the diffrence between right and wrong.*Rolls eyes*
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By and large these arguments are used to point out the hypocrypsy of the other side, saying the white race is irredemably evil and uniquely tainted when even they themselves admit the biggest difference was power…..now have white cultures gone farther than most other cultures even when put in similiar incidents?
Yes; we do seem to be on average somewhat worse than most other cultures when it comes to bigotry or violence in general.
Its not only used to point out the hypocrypsy but the racism as well…..its okay to hate white people because of what they did to your ancestors but not to hate black people or any other race despite whatever they may have done to your ancestors or today?
Sure throughout history white people have been horrific bastards but comparing the current black people to the historic white people?
Kind of seems like a strawman
That being said Davser there is coming off as kind of racist….why? Because ultimately any genocide can be profitable, kill the people take their stuff and either sell or keep it for your own, you profit and progress can continue thanks to your enhanced economic status.
That and almost every racist act can be traced to keeping the other group down or punishing them for doing well.
Often has more to do with economics than crime or morality.
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Abagond is engaged in what is known as “moral relativism”. What he fails to see are that the numbers aren’t really the point. It is the intention and moral failings of individuals which allow mass killings to occur. Tallying up the score and pronouncing one race worse is basically nonsense. Pointing at someone else when you live in a glass house is also nonsense.
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@Davser:
That is one dumb argument. Let’s flip the script and apply your lunacy to the genders. Men have slaughtered, indulged in rape and rapine in some form since time immemorial. Women complain constantly about their ‘useless’ husbands or boyfriends. Yet, women have never slaughtered men en mass for whatever reason. By your druthers, if women had committed genocide against say, the most aggressive men, it would have been alright if it improved civilization. You know why they didn’t Davsar? Because they were needed to take out the trash and do outside chores, also to bring home their pay checques. Given your aggressive remarks, you would be at the top of these man slaughterers list. Think about it Davsar, you wouldn’t be here to type your racist tripe unless you are just a cowardly racist blowhard looking to get a rise out of folks. Well I for one am not taking your bait!
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@Joshua
“Abagond is engaged in what is known as “moral relativism”. What he fails to see are that the numbers aren’t really the point. It is the intention and moral failings of individuals which allow mass killings to occur. Tallying up the score and pronouncing one race worse is basically nonsense. Pointing at someone else when you live in a glass house is also nonsense.”
What you are engaging in is what is called “moral absolutism”. What you fail to see is that abagond is pointing out the white people that come on here throwing numbers around and trying to derail and demean personal thoughts, feelings, and experiences of his or people he cares about. I feel from reading abagond’s posts that “the intention and moral failings of individuals which allow mass killings to occur.” is what he has expressed through his articulate and educational writings and that the point of this post was that “Tallying up the score and pronouncing one race worse is basically nonsense.” Also… “Pointing at someone else when you live in a glass house is also nonsense.”…is exactly what you did to abagond in your comment.
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@ Davser
So I take it all the whites should be wiped out too, by the high-IQ Chinese, particularly if in 50 or 100 years they get a clear technological lead over them (as the Chinese have many times before). That would count as human progress to you?
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@ Michelle
“What you are engaging in is what is called “moral absolutism”. ”
Darn right! But you were wrong about everything else. Abagond seems to think that stealing one cookie isn’t as bad as five, and so the person who stole only one is perfectly justified in telling off the bigger thief for stealing. Apparently so do you. I don’t.
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Ok, abagond. You bring up many points that are hard to argue with, but I will give it a try to play devil’s advocate.
I have learned on here to pick my arguments wisely , because the people on here are very well versed on this subject (especially history) so I usually don’t try to jump in on what I know little about.
What I do know is that the people in power care little of the race of the weak and poor. How about when British troops burned churches during the Revolutionary War with innocent people in them.
How about how Union troops during the civil war raped and stole especially poor farms in the south that were not well off and had no slaves. Do you think they thought twice and said “Wait a minute, these are fellow whites.” No they took advantage of their power.
You are right the powerful in this country and around the world are full of white people. But I don’t think you should put that on poor whites. That’s all I’m saying.
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@ Joshua
I agree. Now go tell the Other Sam that:
And every other racist fool who thinks they can understand the True Nature of Black People through crime stats.
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@ Joshua
Killing one person is wrong, but killing ten or a million is even more wrong. If I murder two people I get a longer sentence than if I murder just one. Bank robbers are dealt with more severely than shoplifters. Etc.
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also how is it a lessor crime if someone loses his/her life. I see where you are getting at in the big picture. Tell that to the family of the victim.
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@ Duck, V-4, etc
Whites are not uniquely evil. That is a straw man that white commenters bring up over and over again, like it is part of their training or something. I have never ever said that.
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dave,
You said,
With all due respect, almost all of your comments are based on you jumping into subjects you know little about, and race/racism is one of them.
Moving on…
Don’t you see what that is? I think sam (Not the Other Sam in the post about the two racist white girls) explained it to you once.
Somewhere along history, white people in power tricked poor whites to get them from joining with poor black slaves against their slavemasters. Somewhere, they used a trick that will get those poor whites to side with them, and that trick involves white skin. They told the poor whites that even though they’re at the bottom, they are still a valuable asset because they have white skin.
As a result, poor white people from then up until today will tend to side with rich and powerful white people who don’t have their best interests at heart. Why, because of all the privileges that come with white skin and whiteness. They may end up screwed in the end, but in the end those manipulative wealthy white people were not the problem. It’s people of color who are the real problem. And some poor and poorer whites will eat it up.
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@brothawolf, I have posted alot on personal experience and have used that mostly in my arguments. Have I also tried to counter what I feel is wrong when people have said that white people in general have it in thier DNA to be evil with counter arguments, yes.
But I don’t go into a history lesson like Doug and others to do that. I speak mostly what is on my mind and my heart. You are probably right some on that has been manipulated by racist American TV and books. But I would like to think that I am a fighter when it comes to that. I feel pride that my thoughts are my own and I try to fight for what I believe in. I have gone off on people in my own family who have put down blacks across the board. I expect the same from you.
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abagond
Whites are not uniquely evil. That is a straw man that white commenters bring up over and over again
It’s not a straw man. You say, “whites are not uniquely evil” as a disclaimer and then devote most of your energeis trying to prove whties are worse than everyone else. You even tried to defend it in your last comment to Joshua.
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@ Dave
Not all crimes are committed for racist reasons, but many are. And whites as a whole benefit. Not just the rich and powerful ones either. Working-class white households, for example, have more wealth on average than black middle-class ones. Why is that?
Davser, to his credit, was honest about how whites as a whole benefit from their crimes:
White Americans are a huge criminal gang. Everyone in the gang benefits from its crimes even if they did not pull the trigger, sotospeak. Not just the crimes of robbing blacks of hundreds of millions of man-years of back pay and robbing Native Americans of billions of acres of land, but even ongoing crimes, like underfunded black schools.
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@ Duck
I have no idea if whites are the worst. The Mongols, for example, are arguably worse. How would you even determine that?
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Very good explaining abagond, that’s all I could ask for. You are a gentlemen.
I was a misfit in my own high school so maybe my beef is outside color lines but lines of class and popularity and such. I really don’t feel like I’m a member of the gang you describe. Maybe it was my own bad choices in life that has excluded me from the club………I don’t know. Sometimes I feel it is me and my young family against the world.
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*gentleman
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“White are not uniquely evil”; we all know that this statement is absolutely true; But it’s also true that White Westerners(Germany, France, Britain, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Netherland, USA, Australia) are the bloodliest and most sadistic murderers in the history of Mankind. The people of those countries basically should be very very very humble; But strange enough they are deeply proud and happy of what their forefathers did. “Genocides are acceptable for Human progress or civilization? What civilization are you talking about? the Money system? the technology? the vaccines? the bombs? weapons that can kill as much human beings as possible? The people of the above-mentioned countries were taught that they were superior, which apparently gave them the right to rob, kill and destroy innocent victims all over the world. Theirs sons and daughters todaysay that what their ancestors did was cool. The very evil that conned them into thinking that they were superior is the same that shall bring punishment upon them. They had time to repent, but they didn’t. The Reaping is coming, tic tac, tic tac…
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@SD I really haven’t studied European History alot. Other that what I learned in middle school and on the history channel and I know some of that is BS.
I am proud of my Italian American maternal Grandpop who came with nothing, loved all people including polish immigrants (he learned fluent polish for his friends) and black people and other Italian Immigrants who came after him who he took under his wing. He had a deep hatred and disdain for the so called Italian Mafia and used to yell at us when we would watch old gangster movies including “the godfather.” He hated that crap.
I’m proud of him because he was a saint, He makes me proud to be Italian American.
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abagond
I have no idea if whites are the worst. The Mongols, for example, are arguably worse. How would you even determine that?
I don’t know. Why don’t you ask SD? Better yet, since its your blog and you claim whites aren’t “uniquely evil” why don’t you prove it by taking him to task? Moreover, there was a little implied threat at the end. Strangely enough, those sort of comments don’t get a peep out of you. And then you wonder why I don’t trust you as far as I can throw you. tic tac tic tac.
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Oh, come on, the Mongols were not that bad, they just cultivated a horrible reputation, so new enemies/targets could be moved to a surrender with reasonable conditions much easier AND they allowed the people who had been conquered to do all the history writing.
Just imagine, how would US history LOOK if whites did not care about history much and all historians were either Afro-American or Native…
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Apart from the Mongols, I am unfamiliar of any other group of non-whites that have committed genocide without the influence of white people (Germany, France, Britain, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Netherland, USA, Australia) either directly or directly, for example we all know what happened in rwanda is due to what the french did..
I am with SD, the Nazi’s thought they couldn’t be stopped, they thought they were far superior, they thought it’d go on forever, they thought they could take on the whole world and win. Tomorrow is coming, it is inevitable. Power doesn’t last forever… I say repent for what your ancestors have done, recognize the injustice permeating the world today, don’t be an enabler…
One day, the world will look very different from how it does today… This period of tyranny shall come to an end. All non-whites the world over will be free again and this time we will have the knowledge of the white person. It has been ingrained in our DNA through centuries of sustained genocidal acts.
Don’t worry though, we are not you. When we have power, we do not turn into megalomaniacs and terrorize the whole Planet.
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@ duckduckgoofs
Why should Abagond care if you trust him? Who are you? Do you really think anyone needs to assuage your own conscience? Abagond keep dropping the knowledge. This blog is definitely a nice change of pace then the reality I live in.
@ SD tic toc tic toc 😀
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I feel the need to clarify my position. What i mean by progress applies to the human species, but not necessarily to all individuals. Image the species as a multistage rocket going into orbit. As fuel is consumed it becomes necessary to eject the lower stages of the rocket in order to lighten the burden and allow for easier acceleration . Mankind isn’t a single-stage-to-orbit design, no mater how much we like to delude ourselves.
My ideal world would have avoided WW2 to ruin Europe, kept the USSR contained until it’s economy imploded discrediting communism and established a global order based on technocratic principles. I would separate the global population into three categories based on IQ , industriousness and organizational capability. Tier 1 would be Europe, North America, Australia and northern Asia (China, Japan, Korea). These would be high industrial countries (the types that make computers and spacecraft) which would lead the pack and establish global politics. The next would be tier 2 populations such as Latin america, the Middle East , India and South-East Asia which would deal with with light industries demanding large numbers of low skilled workers (making sneakers to give an idea). of course it’s possible for a second tier nation to improve itself to the level they become tier 1 and are treated as such. For example if India, or Argentine or Peru get their shit together and become advanced orderly societies they can play with the big boys. As for blacks and certain populations like Papua, I’m sorry but they will have to stay under the colonial boot. One-child policies would have to be established in such territories and blacks gradually reduced to certain reservations. The black population today in Sub-Saharan Africa would be about 20% of what it is today (the same program for the US). I’m not saying get rid of them since that would be a massive loss of genetic diversity but we don’t need 1 billion blacks in Africa. Instead populations from tier 1 and 2 would be encouraged to settle in Africa. Imagine if all those high IQ Chinese that were aborted alongside Indians whites , Latinos would have been living and and creating a new America in Africa. Imagine clean cities, modern highways, advanced factories and farms instead of shanty towns, rutted roads and rusting industrial ruins of a bygone colonial age. This would be a word of megaprojects , of geological engineering , of Moon colonies mining material for our orbital factories, of kilometer long solar power satellites, of mars expeditions, of great prosperity. Of course there would be problems to deal with like out of control capitalism ruining everything. While capitalism is very efficient system certain aspects of it, especially the banking and financial systems and their flock of rent chasers, have to be kept on a short leash and focused on real life objectives and investments and not making money via hedge fund tricks.
As for blacks their situation is tragic but determined by inescapable biological factors. While most reasonable persons could have accepted in the 60’s the theory that barring oppression blacks will be able to rise as fellow citizens, this theory has been clearly disproved by the global failure of blacks to operate anything resembling an advanced orderly society, or even a mediocre livable society like South America. While the curse of South America is mediocrity the curse of Africa is outright failure. And let’s can the theory that whites are conspiring to keep the blacks down. You think we want a huge population of uneducated, violent and unemployable incompetents in our midst. I don’t enjoy paying taxes to warehouse black criminal youths and to pay for the EBT of their baby mamas.
This brings me to another problem: multiculturalism. While an extremely flawed idea it might be make it workable with two exceptions: blacks which are extremely disruptive and criminal and Muslims which are extremely aggressive and intolerant. It’s possible to live next door to other racial, ethnic and religious groups even if you don’t like them especially. But living next to groups of blacks and Muslims is so dangerous as to make life unlivable.
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@mashiara4life
Don’t you know that duckduckgoofs is the ambassador of white people everywhere? I mean, the stupid, vile things that come from his maw aren’t ever things that I agree with, but other than that he speaks for us all. So obviously everyone needs to stop being factual and accurate and just agree with everything he thinks, or else his poor delicate feelings might get hurt. [/he probably believes it]
@dave
Wonderful job missing the point there. Unless your grandfather is the living embodiment of Italy, I don’t think him not being in the Mafia somehow negates everything that European nations have done throughout history. Explain to me how you somehow magically “know” that history was lying and Europe was innocent of well documented fact, aside from the fact that your grandfather was a nice guy.
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Hi Dave! I think you should learn some european history then and you will see that it’s one of murder, destruction and violence at its utmost expression. Your granddad was a good person and you should be proud of being his grandson, not of being “italo-american”. Italy and America just like any other nation on the face of this earth are satanic institutions(the concept of nation is european). More than any other nation the 10 countries I’ve named earlier(including america and italy) are the luciferian headquarters. So when you say you are proud to serve them,(BTW Pride is what got Lucifer here) your granddad is probably weeping in the other world. Basically one should be happy to serve God, by loving all his fellowmen no matter if he’s blue, white, yellow or green; that’s what Black people have been doing all along; at least most of them. And that’s what allowed the devilish French, spaniards etc
to subdue them. They couldnt imagine a human could do all of those atrocities to another human being. Now they know. When Divine Justice falls upon those nations, together with the other white countries, we shall build the paradise this Earth was meant to be. [Wilson is right. We are not like them(the white). Once we get back power we shall be ready to forgive them and we will.
The very fact that duckduckgoofs named the Mongols is typical white denial!He just hopes that other people are just worse rather than aknowledging the atrocities of his forefathers. Only God knows in what race there are more evil people, what we do know for sure is that Whites(France, Spain etc) have perpatrated more evil deeds than any other people on this planet. But their egos wont let them admit that, that’s why they shall reap what their fathers have sown. Do not be deceived, God cannot be mocked nor fooled…
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I would separate the global population into three categories based on IQ , industriousness and organizational capability. Tier 1 would be Europe, North America, Australia and northern Asia (China, Japan, Korea). These would be high industrial countries (the types that make computers and spacecraft) which would lead the pack and establish global politics. The next would be tier 2 populations such as Latin america, the Middle East , India and South-East Asia which would deal with with light industries demanding large numbers of low skilled workers (making sneakers to give an idea). of course it’s possible for a second tier nation to improve itself to the level they become tier 1 and are treated as such. For example if India, or Argentine or Peru get their shit together and become advanced orderly societies they can play with the big boys. As for blacks and certain populations like Papua, I’m sorry but they will have to stay under the colonial boot. One-child policies would have to be established in such territories and blacks gradually reduced to certain reservations. The black population today in Sub-Saharan Africa would be about 20% of what it is today (the same program for the US). I’m not saying get rid of them since that would be a massive loss of genetic diversity but we don’t need 1 billion blacks in Africa. Instead populations from tier 1 and 2 would be encouraged to settle in Africa. Imagine if all those high IQ Chinese that were aborted alongside Indians whites , Latinos would have been living and and creating a new America in Africa.
Mentally ill, historically illiterate numbskulls like these are driving people away from your blog Abagond. Please cull them.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_fallacy
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@ Abagond
“Killing one person is wrong, but killing ten or a million is even more wrong. If I murder two people I get a longer sentence than if I murder just one. Bank robbers are dealt with more severely than shoplifters. Etc.”
Here is where opportunity and intent come into play. Killing 10,000 is worse than killing 1000, but it doesn’t mean that the the one killing the 1000 is less evil or more moral than the one killing 10,000, or a million – give him time. Robbing five banks has more of an economic impact than robbing one, but in both cases the morals involved are the same. If someone is a mass murderer and kills only 10, we don’t say he is a better guy than one who kills 50 – we condemn and hopefully execute both.
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@duckduckgoofs
Whites may or may not be inherently evil, but, the origin of whites on this planet did not originate from a “happy place” more or less. As black people, we forget that whiteness in and of itself was born out of despair. Europe is cold and unforgiving, Who would be happy in that environment? Enslaving africans and conquering “The Americas” was about survival just as much as it was about money and power. Whites can’t pick and choose when to get outraged. Throwing up examples of black failure is not gonna lessen the spotlight on them, they need to know that. As Abagond stated, it’s a distraction-tactic. Focus black folk over here, while they get away with murder over there, Clever? Black people can and will do wrong, but, whites can’t throw stones at us because they’ve done much worse throughout their time on this planet. This is the fundamental point that we as african people should never forget…Ditto!
Tyrone
Race Decoded
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@ Tyrone:
Well said!
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@Tyrone
Well said!
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@abagond:
Yes, working class has more wealth than blacks and that is the way they have been bought and corrupted by the elite. Truth is that some 80% of all the wealth in USA is owned by few thousand people. That is some serious sheit.
Racism was always a way for the elite to get what they wanted and still is. And just like Brothawolf said, that is how we are all hoowinked by the elite. Instead of being on the same front against those who steal and rob all of us, some of us are fooled to think: at least I am white.
The rich and the powerful need this thinking. It blinds those white ants to work for them, to advance their interests for few scraps and pennies and most of all, watch the poor and opressed.
We must be very alert and look real hard to see the structure of the racism and its reason, its real purpose. From the beginning it has been a tool for a purpose, it has been a vehicle to achieve power and wealth, divide the people in segments and sub segments so that they do not realize their true power in numbers.
When we digest and inhale and take racist thoughts in our minds, we begin to see the world as separated segregated sections who are at continious war between themselves. One good example is the way how the shade of color defines ones value in american racism: Darker the skin, more african the features, less valuable you are, uglier you are etc.
Latinos are less white but almost white. Asians are not white but can behave like whites. But tamilis of Ceylon are too dark and poor, so they do not count. More european latino is better he is and more dark he is worse he is. And in latin American countries, the native population is the bottom of the barrell everywhere. Worst you can be is to be a native.
All of this, the whole system, is at place to divide us who do not benefit from the System. It makes us look the wrong way, to hate the wrong people, and forget the basic wisdom: follow the money. That is the real trail of racism.
@davser:
I feel really sorry for you. You must be really un educated and ignorant.
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@Joshua
An Individual’s or culture’s morals sometimes prohibit them from understanding another individual’s or culture’s morals and accepting it as moral. There is much debate as to what is or isn’t moral considering there are many individuals and cultures that continually defy their own or their culture’s moral beliefs. One moral belief of some individuals and cultures is that killing is wrong…but turn around and claim that killing for territorial, religious or racist beliefs is justified. Another moral belief in some individuals and cultures is that all man is created equal and, therefore, should be treated as such with dignity and respect…yet they turn around and claim that a person’s color of skin, race, religion, culture, economic status, and intelligence defines whether they are treated with respect and dignity and justifies their behavior that goes against their own moral beliefs. Do you think it is morally correct that that our own country does not abide by its own original constitutional beliefs and laws? Because in my moral opinion…if they did then they would never had to make amendments to the constitution. They would have already recognized that all POC, races, religions, cultures, economic status, and intelligence fell under the their moral belief that all men are created equal and, therefore, should have been treated as such, with dignity and respect.
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Abagond:
AmeriKlan was made rich and powerful on the powers of derailment. And evil, greed, hatred, lying, stealing, cheating, raping, scapegoating….
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For sure, white people are not on any higher moral footing than anyone else in the world. It is interesting to take a look at world statistics about death in histroy
:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll
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That Davser reads like a walking advertisement against chronic inbreeding. A cesspool of misinformation and delusions!
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Exactly right, Tyrone.
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@davser
This is what it boils down to: If you can’t use the surplus black population as damn-near-free labor or a source of endless amusement, then why not decimate the population, perhaps in the same manner white Americans managed to decimate the native American population until it was (and remains) safely contained in sparse pockets where it’s left to commit slow-motion suicide?
You genuinely believe that your plan will actually help the rest of the world. And that’s where the problem lies. Your people have always operated under the aegis of “good intentions,” even when the motives behind your works are less-than-noble. And those “good intentions” have always been used to pave a road to Hell for everyone else.
Sure, with your plan, those poor hut-occupying brown folks will get modern roads, electricity, etc., but at the cost of untold generations of ethnological and national turmoil. It also suggest that without the benevolent help of the “betters,” these poor brown folks wouldn’t learn how to rub two sticks together, let alone learn how to build their own advanced infrastructures.
It’s part and parcel in the constant reaffirmation of the average “Anglo-Saxon” European descendant’s supposed superiority over other tribes and ethnic groups. Of course, you’ll fight to say otherwise. I almost expect it.
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ATTN White visitors of Abagond: It’s not all about you. Some of you guys can be rather self-centered and downright blockheaded.
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Sure, with your plan, those poor hut-occupying brown folks will get modern roads, electricity, etc., but at the cost of untold generations of ethnological and national turmoil. It also suggest that without the benevolent help of the “betters,” these poor brown folks wouldn’t learn how to rub two sticks together, let alone learn how to build their own advanced infrastructures
I know you mean well, but your statement is quite misguided. There are major cities, smaller cities, metropolis’, districts and university towns all throughout the continent of Africa–and this is not the doing of its colonizers.
Most modern day Africans have no idea whatsoever what it is like to live in rural areas or living in traditional homes. Africans now are largely urbanized. The ones who are rural people are those who have subscribed to this way of life for generations and yes you can go to certain rural places in Africa that transport you back almost to ancient times; but this is not the norm!
With that said, even with all of its infrastructure and modern cities, Africa still has a long way to go and any rational person knows this is due to years of colonialism and its undoing of Africa economically and socially..but..Africa is on the move, by black Africans.
Antyway, won’t continue to take away from the discussion at hand.
Cheers! 🙂
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@Abagond
In the post; “Why do whites demonize, hate and fear black people” you come close to saying just that.
You say white people bring it up as a strawman, perhaps the reason white people bring it up is because if you don’t out and out say it, it seems like at times your coming pretty close to it or hinting at just that.
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The comment by “davser” reeked of a misguided sense of superiority.
“As for blacks and certain populations like Papua, I’m sorry but they will have to stay under the colonial boot.”
So Blacks, simply Blacks, oh yeah, and people who’s skin practically looks “Black” are just that expendable? They are not human???
“Imagine if all those high IQ Chinese that were aborted alongside Indians whites , Latinos would have been living and and creating a new America in Africa. Imagine clean cities, modern highways, advanced factories and farms instead of shanty towns, rutted roads …”
So everyone BUT Black people have high IQs??? There are NO clean cities, modern highways, or advanced factories in Africa? Really? “davser” has not come across this in ANY COUNTRY in the entire CONTINENT of Africa???
I wish I could laugh at such ignorance, but this is the reality of some people’s rationale, its this thinking…this unwarranted disgust and fear that does a great disservice to Black people. This logic simply says the entire world should basically disregard Blacks.
Eliminate Blacks off the Earth! But then what? Will the planet join hands and walk into the sunshine? No. Why single out one race? Constantly???
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@$0.02
Thanks for putting you 2 cents in and pointing out those ignorant comments! I totally missed them! 🙂
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