In these days when the Trayvon Martin shooting is big news, some see a double standard. Why are we making a big deal about a white or Hispanic man killing a black teenager when blacks kill and beat up and do terrible things to white people all the time?
For example, commenter Sick & Tired said this:
What about these people? Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, James Kouzaris, and James Cooper, John Sanderson, Frank Motta, Nancy and Bob Strait,Robert Purvis,Hannah Wheeling??!!!! I could go on and on! Where was Jackson, Farakan, or the black panther party? OH wait the victims were white and were murdered by blacks!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the meantime over the past two months Al Sharpton has protested the murders of Ramarley Graham in New York and Trayvon Martin in Florida – both black males killed by white or Hispanic men.
But what makes the Trayvon Martin case so terrible is not the race of his killer (which is why it is beside the point whether he is white or Hispanic or white Hispanic or whatever) but the actions of the authorities in letting him go free. As if the lives of black people do not matter. As if they are not worth protecting.
Compare Sick & Tired’s list of outrage to Al Sharpton’s:
What becomes of black-on-white murderers:
- Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom murders:
- Lemaricus Davidson: death by lethal injection
- Letalvis Cobbins: life without parole
- George Thomas: life without parole
- (the other two pictured above were accessories and got prison terms less than life)
- James Kouzaris and James Cooper murders:
- Shawn Tyson: convicted of two counts of first-degree murder
- John Sanderson murder: three suspects arrested
- Frank Motta murder:
- Treven Lewis arrested and charged with second-degree murder
- Nancy and Bob Strait murders:
- Tyrone Dale David Woodfork arrested and charged with first-degree murder, first-degree burglary, two counts of armed robbery and assault with a dangerous weapon
- Robert Purvis murder:
- Brian Beasley: life without parole
- Hannah Wheeling murder:
- Brian Wonsom: 85 years
What becomes of white-on-black murderers:
- Ramarley Graham murder
- Richard Haste: no arrest, no charge
- Trayvon Martin murder
- George Zimmerman: no arrest, no charge
See the difference? This is not about “hating whitey”, selective outrage or trying to score points. This is about a miscarriage of justice. That is the very reason for the protests – because without them little will be done.
Despite what some say the media circus over Trayvon Martin is the exception not the rule. For example, if you google “Ramarley Graham murder” right now my post from two months ago is listed first.
And that is the thing: White civil rights go back hundreds of years and are taken for granted. Black civil rights only go back to the 1960s and cannot (yet) be taken for granted. As the Trayvon Martin case makes painfully clear.
See also:
Not to mention Oscar Grant, Derrick Jones, Danroy Henry, Frederick Jermaine Carter, Kenneth Chamberlain, Rekia Boyd……..
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Valid points, Agabond, but I think there’s more to the widespread interest Trayvon Martin matter than just black/white. The facts of the Trayvon murder are extraordinary regardless of race. As discussed, most lethal violence occurs between people already associated in some way, and the small fraction that occurs between random strangers is ordinarily committed in connection with a crime, or with police overstepping their authority. It doesn’t make the loss of like any less tragic, but these scenarios are ones that we have come to understand as part of the general level of risk facing all of us.
Trayvon’s case doesn’t fit any of our ordinary fact patterns. The kid was just walking home from the store enjoying a call with his girlfriend. Zimmerman is a strange, obsessed, nebbish of a man who took it upon himself to create this situation, and the 911 tapes show that Zim was profiling Trayvon because of his race. It is every parent’s worst nightmare.
Some friends of mine lost a daughter several years ago to a drunk driver. The daughter was 19, attending a prestigious university where she was thriving, and was on her way back home from her night job when a drunk in a stolen vehicle ran a red light and hit and killed her. That is also a parent’s worst nightmare. Again, however, as a society we have learned that drunk drivers and the deadly conditions they create are an ordinary part of our national landscape. It’s not exotic.
Zimmerman — a private citizen armed with a legally permitted gun stalking young people — that is an exotic situation for most of us. The visceral response is that this set of facts should not be allowed to exist, and thus the foot dragging by law enforcement to bring this lunatic to justice is maddening.
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Yeah, I heard about that story when it popped up a few years back. What made me back off was when white supremacists started clinging to it. When the narrative gets driven towards a circus, I tune out.
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I remember that story, and was horrified. What kind of crazed, madness was this? Black people don’t support this kind of evil, unlike the support being given to Zimmerman by non-blacks.. Also, there are many stories of similar crimes of this nature being perpetrated by whites/nonblacks, which doesn’t make it any less despicable.
The Trayvon Martin incident, has horrific historical precedence, links with the ongoing story of racial profiling, police/(wannabe) authority abuse and brutality against black Americans, and racial politics involving black Americans. I agree with ‘Blanc2’, the Trayvon Martin story is much different, certainly not the horrible torture of those two young white people, but differs in the lack of professionalism, nonchalant dismissal of the Sanford police, towards Trayvon, and his family, and the squaring off of social and political groups in the discussion on the character of the victim, which is Trayvon.
If you had polled black people on the story involving the two young white victims, there would have been 100% outrage;no hemming and hawing on why were they in that neighborhood, no talk about how they were possibly buying drugs and so on.
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Blanc, you have nailed the issue, I guess.
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@ Abagond
Your post is excellent.
What most white Americans fail to realize, again, is the race of zimmerman is irrelavant. It’s the clear message that black life in the United States means nothing. And if it’s a male youth, then there MUST be a justification for the killing.
White supremacy and privilege blinds them as to why we are outraged. They wonder why we aren’t angry when we kill our own people, as if we throw parties or something.
Abagond, have you ever realized that when a white child gets murdered, a new law is put into place, i.e. Megan’s Law?
Where is Till’s Law? Boyd’s Law? Graham’s Law?
Where is the outrage from white society?
Oh, wait! No outrage…black lives are fully expendable.
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@ Oyan
You forgot one more thing: No people hacking into somebody’s personal accounts in order to “prove” that they “deserved” to be killed.
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The responses to this will be quite interesting……
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@ Satan
You know what I’ve noticed in the US with most whites regarding this topic? Self reflection is a dangerous thing.
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I co-sign with the people here who see the differance…
There is this theme of thinking someone is guilty or carrying a gun
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Cue in the trolls in 3, 2, 1…
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@abagond:
Excellent post once again. Our resident trolls are now trying to figure out how to nullify this. They go to their brtehrens in Stormfront etc. and ask advice and “convincing” arguments to counter this. I guess some one will come up with some “scientific facts” which explain this away. And as usual, they shall be right because they are white (americans).
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Excellent post.
The difference is , as others have said, that black killers of whites tend to be arrested, charged, convicted and if they are in a state which allows it, have a better chance of getting the death penalty.
In the Zimmerman case he wasn’t even arrested. Were it not for social media and some very vocal folks we wouldn’t even know about it. The other difference is that with the exception of a few literally insane people, blacks generally won’t be lining up to defend a black person who killed an unamed white child and hint that the kid probably deserved it. Whereas conservative/racist whites do.
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Thank you, Abagond, for pointing out the difference in this case (GZ/Trayvon) between other cases where people are killed…
The fact that there is typically an ARREST…especially if a black man pulled the trigger.
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I was actually curious about this discrepancy myself. This does explain a lot.
This is turning into theater, really. It’s soap opera, isn’t it? A man is dead and the media is making it into entertainment. I also think that some people are afraid of this winding up like KONY 2012. I’ve got some worry about that, but the physical evidence looks less and less in Zimmerman’s favor every day. Whatever they’ve got up their sleeve had better really wow the audience.
Personally, I stopped watching all 24-hour news networks long ago. Just wait until people’s attention drifts away back to their own quotidian worries and the news media finds the next big human interest story that reflects current issues in some way.
One last thing I couldn’t help but notice: Is it just me or are a lot of these big human interest stories in the past few years coming out of Flordia?
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Abagond —
I agree with your post 100%. I am a middle-aged white guy. I am also a news junkie — and for decades now, I have read the same story in the news every couple of months. The story goes like this: An unarmed black man was beaten or killed by the police. It turned out he was doing little or nothing wrong. The black community protested. There was an internal police investigation, or maybe a trial, but either way the cops got off. Rodney King … Amadou Diallo … Sean Bell … many other names I can’t even remember anymore. And now Trayvon Martin — not even killed by a cop, but some trigger-happy neighborhood watch clown. It makes me sick.
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@Abagond
Another sham Abagond post. Let’s see….let’s list about 10 black-on-white murderers and their sentences. For the white-on-black, let’s just list 2 out of the hundreds that could be listed; and two not arrested, but whose cases are really still open and they may be indicted, we don’t know yet.
That’s the problem with these case-by-case posts. Everybody focuses on just the one case, without looking at the big picture. In this way, it seems like this one case is everything.
We see that in the Trayvon Martin case, in which the entire media is just focusing on this one case, which then becomes the STEREOTYPE. Who doesn’t like stereotypes, Abagond? Maybe you.
The fact remains that black-on-white crime exceeds the reverse, and that’s the big picture.
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“Bliff
The fact remains that black-on-white crime exceeds the reverse, and that’s the big picture.”
Linda says,
But the point is, Bliff, “Were the black offenders arrested for committing a crime?
yes or no, Bliff.
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Thank you, Abagond-excellent post (again, the troll mind will not see this point-complete and utter denial is their 1st defense against the Truth)
@truthbetold
right on schedule, LOL!
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@Linda
“But the point is, Bliff, “Were the black offenders arrested for committing a crime?
yes or no, Bliff.”
No, the point was were the white offenders arrested. I have answered your question.
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“Bliff,
No, the point was were the white offenders arrested. I have answered your question.”
Linda says,
no you didn’t, Bliff, you left my question unanswered.
Please answer my question that was posed to you, which is,
“Were the black offenders arrested for the crime that they committed?
yes or no?
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@ Linda
Bliff, like many white racists, cannot answer. The truth burnes his tongue. Truth is something that white America will never and can never speak. It’s amazing, isn’t it?
The apathy, the amusement…
I learned it’s a necessary tool for survival in the white mind frame.
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“Bliff,
No, the point was were the white offenders arrested. I have answered your question.”
Linda says,
you bring up white offenders, that’s a good topic.
So tell me, Bliff, in the” hudreds of cases” you state are out there (I know you like statistics), can you show an overall comparison of white offenders arrested when the victim is black versus black offenders arrested when the victim is white.
It would be great to see the balance so that people on this blog can understand why you feel Abagond is being biased in claiming black offenders are disproportionately arrested for their crimes when it’s a black-on-white crime.
I mean, if white-on-black offenders are being arrested at an equal ratio as their black counterparts, it’s important to show it so it can be acknowledged.
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@Linda
It would be great to see the balance so that people on this blog can understand why you feel Abagond is being biased in claiming black offenders are disproportionately arrested for their crimes when it’s a black-on-white crime.
Abagond showed 10 black and 2 white offender cases. I was criticizing his conclusion from just showing a few recent cases. Since they are recent and he named the cases, it could lead people to prematurely conclude these results are typical. I criticized him for that.
So, shouldn’t you be directing this question to Abagon? It’s his blog, he made the original statements.
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Bliff,
So, shouldn’t you be directing this question to Abagon? It’s his blog, he made the original statements.”
Linda says,
But you are the person objecting to these statements made by Abagond.
So in order for him to validate your objections, you need to show him that based on actual cases (perhaps on an annual basis to not complicate things) that white-on-black offenders are arrested on an equal ratio as black offenders.
or at least bring in 8 more recent white offender cases to balance things out if you think Abagond isn’t being fair.
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@Bliff
You are still avoiding Linda’s questions. She is more concerned with your reasoning and what data you have seen to back your reasoning. She just wants to understand where you are coming from besides having issue with recent reports being compared. At least that is how I took her questions.
@Abagond very interesting post. Sometimes I think the reason for the outrage is interpreted differently. I assumed it was because of a lack of arrest regardless of if self-defense was proclaimed (concerning the Martin case). I guess I would assume that the police should of had that claim determined in court rather than releasing the potential suspect based only on his words.
@Bulanik
The thirteenth amendment I believe has a sentence saying slavery is still usable as a form of punishment for crime. A criminal cannot vote, etc basic American rights that are lost due to having committed a crime. I think your post brings up some interesting points. Of course slavery isn’t being used now but some elements from policing potential offenders due seem to be influenced by past laws regarding how to deal with the Black population, immigrants, etc.
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@ Bliff
The point of the post is not to prove something about the nature of x-on-x crime in America. It is to point out that many whites are missing the point about the Trayvon case and cases like it. You can tell from the countercases they bring up, like the ones brought up by Sick & Tired.
If I wrote a post about lynching in the 1920s and you said that more blacks murdered whites than whites lynched blacks it would be an apple and oranges comparison that misses the point.
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Well, here’s an 18-year Black guy who got shot by two security guards because he was walking unarmed towards a car outside his family’s home in Dekalb County, Georgia. Both shooters have been arrested and released. I’ll wait for the big uproar. Oh wait, no I won’t. Both shooters were Black. It ain’t “Justice for Ervin Jefferson”, it’s “Stop Snitchin'”. That family can suffer privately in silence.
http://newsone.com/nation/crime/newsonestaff9/ervin-jefferson-unarmed-teen-killed-georgia/
Then there’s the gang shootout at the funeral in Miami. Someone showed disrespek to the departed, who had committed suicide rather than get arrested for trying to use a stolen credit card at Bloomingdales. 12 wounded, including a 5 year-old girl and 2 dead. Nobody arrested. No “Justice for the Miami 14” it’s “Snitches Get Stitches”. Don’t expect Jackson and Sharpton to drive down the road a piece and make a noise about this.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/02/2728339/funeral-home-shooting-leaves-questions.html
If George Zimmerman was Black, no one outside of the Twin Lakes gated community would have heard about the shooting. There’d be a pile of stuffed animals where Trayvon got shot, and cops wouldn’t be able to arrest anybody because of “Stop Snitchin’ “. And if the cops did get Zimmerman there’d be all kinds of agitation about arresting Zimmerman because “He was a good boy who was getting his life together. Like in Cleveland, Texas last year when the 11-year old girl got gang-raped six times by the 19-member Slut Them Bitches gang and the protestors came from far and wide to protest on behalf of the rapists.
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The fact is; race does matter here or there wouldn’t be such an effort to make Zimmerman white when he’s obviously not.
And the protests/media stories are about Trayvon being killed and focusing on Zimmerman, they aren’t primarily focused on the police and their methods here.
Also isn’t it considered an arrest when they handcuff you and take you down to the station for questioning? If so; then hasn’t Zimmerman been arrested then?
And Bliff is right about Abagond’s examples.
That being said; I wouldn’t be surprised if Abagond was right and there was a pretty distinct difference between what happens to those who commit criminal acts on black people and black criminal acts on everybody else.
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Hey Bliff,
Why don’t YOU do the research to your own question? Construct a counter-argument to Abagond’s post and THEN bring it here for open debate?
Or is that just too much work for you?
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@truth
I don’t think that lack of self-reflection is something that is an exclusively white issue, especially living in a country with 90 percent of the population being black. I think that that type of self-denial comes from a society that has a system that encourages basically “psychoanalysis in reverse” and thought terminating cliches instead of actual wisdom.
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@TheFirebrand
Hey, do I tell you what to post and when?? I post what I want and when.
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@Bulanik
I am not familiar with America’s laws or its judicial system but it’s very clear that there is one law for whites and another for blacks
Well, at least you’re honest. You obviously don’t know about American laws. However, you have allowed yourself to be brainwashed by black sites like this one. Shame on you for speaking without knowing !!
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@Bulanik said:- I am not familiar with America’s laws or its judicial system but it’s very clear that there is one law for whites and another for blacks
@Bliff said:- …..Shame on you for speaking without knowing !!
Well Bulanik at least you are Open minded and willing to learn and are not coming from entrenched, stale, insular, tired PoV like SOME…
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@Demerera
How is Bulanik “open-minded”?? To me, she just parrots all the junk here on this site and what you find on other black sites.
My ideas are “entrenched, stale, insular”. I write all my own stuff. I’ll bet I’ve brought up stuff you’ve never read anywhere.
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@V-4
Also isn’t it considered an arrest when they handcuff you and take you down to the station for questioning? If so; then hasn’t Zimmerman been arrested then?
This is a big deal and this is why people are upset with the Sanford PD handling of this case. Recently released surveillance video of Sanford PD HQ showed Zimmerman handcuffed being escorted into to the station with police officers.
It appears that Zimmerman was under arrest. To any lay observer we would automatically formulate “individual + handcuffs + police = arrested”.
Zimmerman claimed self-defense.
Zimmerman was not booked.
Zimmerman was released.
No charges were pressed. Even though the two Homicide detectives for this case filed an affadavit stating Zimmerman ought to be charged with manslaughter.
Read that last line one more time… for good measure.
Zimmerman’s account is not standing up to scrutiny.
There’s probable cause for his arrest and that’s what the Martin Family is seeking. An Arrest. That’s what the communities of organized dissent who rally for Treyvon want. An Arrest.
I have to side-bar here to reitorate this. ARREST.
The Justice train jumped off the track, and we are trying to set it right again before it can move forward.
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@TheFirebrand
Settle down. There is a grand jury convening in a week or two. They will probably hand down an indictment. So you’ll get your arrest/arraingment.
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@Bliff
My ideas are “entrenched, stale, insular”
As you didnt put this as a question and merely as a statement, it suggests that you are taking ownership of all that is distasteful and negative about you. Jolly well done you 🙂
BTW, what black sites are you talking about? Are you accusing me of posting/linking to sensationalist propaganda if so, where is your evidence?
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Okay this whole “Zimmerman is Hispanic” thing is killing me. The male (I cannot bring myself to call him a man) is biracial. His mother is Peruvian, Latino, Hispanic or whatever and his father is in fact White. Please do not ignore the fact that it is completely possible that this person may have learned any racial bias he may have from his both of his parents. White poeple are not the only group to have preconceived notions about black people. Having said that, I don’t care what color he is, but I beg you all please stop applying the “one drop rule” to this guy just so you can maintain that this issue it isn’t about his race on his part because it is stupid. How is it possible to use a racist system used to devalue people of mixed background to prove that Zimmerman’s background is inconsequential? But… Zimmerman sure does look like a white guy to me. They come in different skin tones too, not just people of color.
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@truthbetold:
You nailed it on the head, right there…
Selective outrage, indeed. That’s how a lot of white people are when it comes to non-whites: selectively polite, selectively honest, selectively honorable – the list is endless.
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Bliff
Abagond showed 10 black and 2 white offender cases. I was criticizing his conclusion from just showing a few recent cases. Since they are recent and he named the cases, it could lead people to prematurely conclude these results are typical. I criticized him for that.
If you want more examples of the latter, look at the see also links at the bottom of the posts. Plus, there are others examples listed by other commenters of recent so-called white-on-black murders.
And let’s be honest for once. You think black-on-white murders are more common way before you criticized Abagond. So, don’t even try to paint him as the “bad guy” for something you believe in, pal.
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Linda says,
But the point is, Bliff, “Were the black offenders arrested for committing a crime?
yes or no, Bliff.
Bliff says,
No, the point was were the white offenders arrested. I have answered your question.
Oh boy…
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@Bliff
“Hey, do I tell you what to post and when?? I post what I want and when.”
Didn’t think to try and answer my question first, did you?.
What and when you choose to post is clearly at your discretion (and obviously irrelevant to my question).
I’ll rephrase my question: Can you present to us a counterargument to Abagond’s post?
This is Debate Fundamentals 101.
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Jay From Philly,
Oh, here we go again.
Jay are trying to give us that old “Blacks only get outraged when the killer is white, but do nothing if the killer was black” argument? In any case it sounds like an attempt to move away from the subject and try to blame black people, again.
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@Jay…excellent. Spoken directly from the side of honesty and experience. I can relate to alot of what you write.
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Jay has designated himself to be neighborhood watchman/constable.
That’s why he always has stats ready about Philly.
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Jay
Just for the record…
Blacks are not overjoyed when we kill, rape, torture one another.
Please stop spreading lies.
We are fully aware of the criminal elements that partake the black culture. We speak of it constantly. We rally against it. Write endless articles about it. And seek to educate inner-city youths about the “traps” that are being set. You just don’t hear about it!
Most crimes against blacks, by blacks, are rooted in internalized racism and hatred. I am not making excuses, just facts.
The number one precursor for violence is poverty. Poverty creates hopelessness and depression. Then anger is converted into crime.
I know many blacks in Philly(I live in rural NE PA) that have fallen victim to the system that sets them up to fail. Unless you have a good, solid family background, with an iron will, coupled with the need for change, desending into crime will be a given.
A few have fought…gone to school, have debt up to their eyeballs, can’t get jobs because they have a “black” name but keep on praying for that change to come. Most don’t make it.
It’s easy to look out the window and see as you wish, as a white man, but it’s more complicated than that.
I know…
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Yes, folks in Philly must be so reassured that they have such a vigilant, diligent CSO in their ‘hood’ 😉
I agree, Jay does seem pretty ‘hot’ on crime statistics but it seems that this is more down to first hand knowledge due to the dodgy company he keeps rather than through specific research….
I only hope that this diligence extends to ALL crimes commited regardless of the race of the perp.
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@Truthbetold
Jay from Philly is the kind of white man who seems he knows more about black people than black people themselves. As such he shows up sporadically to tell us the constant theme that black people, black men rather, act violent for no reason.
Now, he’s trying to tell us how we are more concerned with white-on-black crime than (I hate using this term) black-on-black crime, or so it seems.
Like you said, we don’t enjoy killing, robbing, drugging, or raping each other. The only black people who do enjoy that shit are likely the ones you see on TV which is vastly ran by white men. So, Jay needs to start putting two and two together and stop trying to think that the answer is anything but four.
To Jay, Dave, Bliff, and any other like-minded people.
Also, black people are just as outraged when it comes to black-on-black crime as we are with white-on-black crime. Both are reminders that our lives don’t amount to much in this nation. So, we do something about it as much and as hard as we can. Yes, there is still a considerable about of violence in poor black communities, but from my experience, those who criticize what we do and how we react are usually the ones who do nothing and don’t react. So, Jay from Philly is one of those people who tell us what we’re doing wrong, but won’t help out in his own neck of the woods probably because he’s too scared of black men.
One can not learn about black people from the media or from other white people. Why don’t they learn from black people themselves instead of relying on the left-based media they love to condemn but use as reliable sources or from so-called experts of race realism who are way more invested in dividing races than any POC who calls out racism?
The point Abagond is making is that white lives are valued way more than the lives of blacks. This is evident in sentencing. The chance of being handed the death sentence is if your victim is white is considerably greater than if the victim was black. Of course it’s not definite, but nothing is 100% certain in all such cases.
Plus, one can not rule out that all-white juries are still common in some courtrooms all over the country. That is also an important factor in the sentencing of killers of whites.
The sad truth is that some who are tried, convicted, and sentenced, may be innocent or have been innocent. This is especially true when in some black-on-white murders.
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FYI
Around the nation, white supremacists and their fellow travelers are brandishing copies of a 1999 booklet that purports to show that whites have every reason to be terrified of blacks. For people from former Klansman David Duke to an array of neo-Confederates, The Color of Crime: Race, Crime and Violence in America has become a kind of Bible that shows them that they were right all along.
Sponsored by the New Century Foundation, an organ of white separatist author Jared Taylor, The Color of Crime is being circulated in hard copy and via the Web site of Taylor’s magazine American Renaissance.
This dubious report, in slightly modified form, also has appeared in the Journal of Social, Political and Economic Studies, a periodical that is home to the writings of many “intellectuals” whose views about race are similar to Taylor’s.
In this latter publication, Taylor’s co-author is Glayde Whitney, a Florida professor who recently wrote a positively glowing introduction to Duke’s racist and anti-Semitic autobiography.
Based on a cursory examination of 1994 data about interracial crimes between whites and blacks — less than a sixth of all crimes committed that year — Taylor comes to a series of what he describes as “startling conclusions” about black criminality. Blacks, he claims, are vastly more likely to attack whites than vice versa and, in fact, are far more prone to criminality in general. The reason, Taylor suggests amidst a blizzard of misleading statistics, is their blackness — something about black genes, or perhaps black culture, that endows African-Americans with a natural proclivity to criminality.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2000/summer/coloring-crime
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Hmmmmm……
Funny, eh? Since on a much larger scale, whites are the criminal, deviant ones.
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I believe that many of the ‘naysayers’ ‘white’ posters are actually, posting as if, had they, been black Americans, their response would have been, violent, vicious, vengeful, hateful, psychotic, demented and the like. They’re responses, are actually, ‘self-reflecting’ projection.
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@ poetess:
Thanks for the info and the link…much needed and appreciated! 😎
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Prettyg, great points about Zimmerman. Hispanics can be white also.And it just doesnt really make any differance
Jay from Philly, you know, you make a compelling point about the black security guards
Poetess, you have hit the nail dead on the head. This may be one of the underlying themes at play here. White people are getting so paranoid that they start stereotyping, profiling and arming themselves, too ready to shoot a young black male because they are sure they are committing or going to commit a crime.
That is what seperates this from the black killing whites examples shown. And, it needs to be addressed and talked about and confronted on its own merits not bringing in other types of crimes kind like this, like the guards Jay is talking about.It is an absolutly valid subject to address on its own
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To PrettyG:
Okay this whole “Zimmerman is Hispanic” thing is killing me. The male (I cannot bring myself to call him a man) is biracial. His mother is Peruvian, Latino, Hispanic or whatever and his father is in fact White.
The press initially described him as White.. now generally they have described him as White and Hispanic. Apparently he thought of himself as Hispanic before shooting Trayvon Martin.
“George Michael Zimmerman, born Oct. 5, 1983, Voter ID #107862946, registered as a Democrat in Seminole County, Fla., in August 2002, according to state voter registration documents. According to the document, Zimmerman’s race is officially listed as Hispanic. The son of a white father and Peruvian mother, he has been described as a “white Hispanic” in most media reports.”
Of course Latinos/Hispanic people can certainly be virulently racist against Blacks:
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Isn’t that called “lethal” (not legal) injection?
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Dagnabbit, I wish I was smart enough to counter argue points like Abagond. Can I borrow your brain for just day? PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE
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I hope this comment doesn’t get me banned, but Bliff that was weakest piece of SHIT I’ve ever seen as an attempt at a counter argument. You’re not even acknowledging whats being said, just going to the old fail-safe “blacks commit a whole buncha crime” non-argument.
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@ porkpiehat
Good article. Thanks.
Most minority on minority crime, feelings of racial hatred and fear is due to being in a white supremacist society. EVERYONE wants to be included with the elite. The privileged. The top dogs.
Racial hate and violence is a poor way to be in the white club. Or an honorary member of that special club but in some minds, it’s an acceptable way.
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@ brothawolf
Perhaps a career in corrections isn’t the best way to free oneself of racial stereotypes, eh?
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Ahh oops… porkpiehat was a joke id I used on April 1st.
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@prettyg
Zimmerman doesn’t look white to me, his facial features aren’t white and his skin seems to have something of a different skin shade to it.
When the story first popped up; all we had to go by was his name, zimmerman and then the picture that did show up intially seems to have had a lot of flash going on with it and making his skin much paler.
To put it this way; to white people Zimmerman isn’t white, maybe to mestizo’s he’s white and to black people he’s white but not to white people.
This isn’t even a “one drop” thing, this more like what a 30% thing? And thats not including whatever random pieces of groups he might have on top of that.
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[…] of politics. There have actually been a few more killings of black folk in recent weeks that have injusticewritten all over them. The recent killings of Trayvon Martin, Rekia Boyd, Kenneth Chamberlain and […]
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Truthbetold,
Never lol.
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@SatanForce
I think that that type of self-denial comes from a society that has a system that encourages basically “psychoanalysis in reverse”
You’re degenerating into black psycho-babble…..and you had such a potential !!
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Poetess,
I heard about “The Color of Crime” and I agree. From what I can see online, a lot of racists do use that as their bible. It is something like the ten commandments for them to use to justify their fear and hatred, and Jared Taylor is their Moses leading his white people to freedom.
The murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom is like the ultimate testament to whites, especially white supremacists, of the inbred savage nature of black people and their lust for violence against “innocent” whites. The minute this story came out, white supremacists were scattering to get their hands on it and twist the story around to make it sound even more gruesome. Some have added that the people had their breasts and genitals removed which turned out to be false.
Granted, what happened to them was a terrible, but some nut cases will use black-on-white murders and will turn them into horror stories. Thereby, try to make not only the murderers but the black community in general to be full of inhuman predators out to get them apparently for no reason other than they are white.
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@Satanforce
I think that that type of self-denial comes from a society that has a system that encourages basically “psychoanalysis in reverse
Can I quote you on that?
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@Demerera
My ideas are “entrenched, stale, insular” As you didnt put this as a question and merely as a statement, it suggests that you are taking ownership of all that is distasteful and negative about you.
Oh, my, my kingdom for a ?, my kingdom for a ?
BTW, what black sites are you talking about? I believe that was posed to Bulanik, who is not you, unless your middle blog name is Bulanik, and you go by D. Bulanik.
Are you accusing me of posting/linking to sensationalist propaganda if so, where is your evidence? I made no such statement to either Bulanik or D. Bulanik, so you are quite insane, Madame.
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Sometimes I wonder how much of interracial crimes committed by Black offenders to White victims deal with perceptions of wealth. There is a stereotype that White = wealthy/rich that some people believe so some crimes against Whites by non-Whites could be motivated by believing that wealth can be obtained. But the need to murder the victims, I don’t understand. I’m sure robbery carries a lighter sentence than murder so that just strikes me as odd. If any have an answer it would be very helpful.
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@brothawolf
Jay makes no mention of the reactions whites have when they learn of murders committed by other whites. Taking Jay’s personal theory under consideration, you’d think there would be a constant wailing and gnashing of teeth upon every white-on-white murder.
In reality, the reactions are the same as anywhere else: muted, unless it happens to a)someone they know, b)close family members or c)the crime in question is particularly heinous or shocking. It also helps to have media outlets ready to sensationalize certain crimes for high Nielsen ratings and greater ad dollars.
Jay’s theory on the languorous black reaction to black-on-black crimes is little more than a derail of the discussion at hand.
@V-4
I assume the above is designed to neutralize the racial aspect of the Trayvon Martin case. Smother Zimmerman’s “white” origins and the entire case goes from being about white injustice against ordinary black Americans to just being about some random asshole getting away with murder. The fact is that Zimmerman is about as Latino as Taco Bell, but many choose to downplay his “white” origins in an effort to pull the fuse out of the powder keg.
If George Zimmerman’s father was black, his mother white and his skin pale to the point of passing for white, on the other hand, I doubt anyone would trip over themselves to remove Zimmerman’s “blackness” from the equation, especially if Trayvon Martin was Troy Martin, an innocent 17-year-old white kid with a bright future ahead of him. Zimmerman’s black origins will be played up as proof positive of the defective qualities of black genes, as well as a cautionary tale against race-mixing. In addition, Zimmerman’s white mother would be denegrated as a slut and whore of the highest order for cavorting with black men, while pointing to her “defective byproduct” of a son and his actions against an innocent white child as the end result. No one would attempt to play up his “white” origins.
Oh, and Zimmerman would definitely be in jail, as I type. In earlier eras, he would have been dragged out of his cell and hung on the nearest sturdy oak until dead.
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@Bliff
Being the diligent individual you are, you could have listed those “hundreds of cases” yourself. Instead, you’re relying on Abagond to do your work for you. In addition, you proceed to piss all over Abagond’s blog post with accusations of statistical unfairness and you spend the rest of your time dodging Linda’s pertinent question: “Were the black offenders arrested for the crime that they committed?”
Abagond already answered that question, at any rate: life without parole, lethal injection, 85 years, etc. The whole point of Abagond’s post was to illustrate how convictions are a sure thing for blacks harming/killing whites, yet whites find it far easier to avoid conviction or even arrest for harming/killing blacks, something that’s been a semi-permanent fixture on the American landscape. After all, the value of a single black life has always been artificially depressed throughout American history.
And before you go on a tirade about how “blacks don’t value their own lives” vis-a-vis inner city/urban/ghetto crime, ask yourself if its merely the symptom of a larger problem that’s extraordinarily easy to spot. After all, someone had to tell them their own lives weren’t worth shit, first.
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Well, I have not seen too many white americans protest agaist the white serial killers or killer cops who have killed an innocent (homeless) white man, so…
It is pretty weird to claim that black americans are not protesting against black crime. They have done so for decades. For some reason it very seldomly gets into the news.
Just read what Malcolm X or Martin Luther King said about all these decades ago. Did they say that black criminals are better than white? No. Never did. On the contrary, they used some pretty heavy language against black criminals precisely because they knew how they would be used in white media and by white racists as examples, just like here, and most all: because they were hurting humanbeings and their own.
I remember when gangproblem was at its peak in LA back in 1980’s, there were several demonstrations against the gang violece in black communities. Some even made it to the news. Not many though.
I remember there were demonstartions and protests against the crime wave in NYC back in the late 1980’s by black people who were sick and tired of gangsters killing them and selling crack to their kids etc.
So when bliff and his “race realist” buddies here are saying or implying that black americans do not protest against black criminals, that is a load of BS, as usual. Black americans have done it many times for decades. But for some strange reason their protests in that respect do not usually get any news coverage. Race is not the issue there and that is not “good news item”. When race is brought up, that is a “controversial issue” and good news, because the news companies can run with that story for weeks and months.
I forgot which town/city it was, a smaller place in north east or north, in which the local black residents got enough of the local gang bangers and got rid of them by themselves by collecting the evidence, by their own neighbourhood watch and by being strickt parents. That did not get too much attention in white media. I saw it years ago in documentary and even in that documentary that was just a small bit.
Revealing.
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I don’t know why any of you are arguing about Zimmerman’s race, it’s completely irrelevant, the point is that he wasn’t punished, or even thoroughly investigated for what he did. It would be no different in principle if I shot Trayvon Martin and got off scot free, and I’m undeniably brown.
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Another thing on this the whole “Hispanic Race” thing, I’m sick and tired of “Hispanic” being called a race, it’s a culture, if you don’t speak Spanish and participate to some extent in a latinoamerican culture, YOU ARE NOT LATINO. Being Latino is about culture, not something in your blood. The proper term for my race is mestizo, or given the one drop rule of Angloamerica, a Native American. A Spaniard from Spain is white, a mixed latino Caribbean is Mulato or Black. In essence, stop saying Hispanic is a race, it’s no more a race than Anglo North American. Pure, over-simplistic American ignorance.
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deedee
Sometimes I wonder how much of interracial crimes committed by Black offenders to White victims deal with perceptions of wealth.
I’m sure that plays a role in the selection of some victims. I couldn’t really put a number to it.
But the need to murder the victims, I don’t understand.
I don’t either. I can see killing someone for a reason. But killing someone for a car and $200 out of an ATM is just crazy.
Let me offer a thought along the lines of your thinking. Most people don’t commit crimes against someone of another race because they are racist. There are plenty of racists of all colors who’ve never broken the law. To be sure, many interracial crimes may appear to have a racial motive. And they may well hate the race of the person they attack. But you’d be surprised at how many of those same people who commit hate crimes have also committed even more gruesome crimes against their own race and even their own relatives. They don’t do that because they’re racist. They do it because they are mean. Race is just how they chose to express that meanness during that particular crime.
I hope you understood what I was trying to say.
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@Sam
Well, I have not seen too many white americans protest agaist the white serial killers or killer cops who have killed an innocent (homeless) white man, so…
It is pretty weird to claim that black americans are not protesting against black crime. They have done so for decades. For some reason it very seldomly gets into the news.
That’s what I’m screaming (lol). I always think it’s nothing more than hypocrisy that whites will shake their fingers at black communities whenever violent crimes occur. They don’t think blacks do anything to try to stop it, and when black folks do tell them what they’re doing, white people still have the audacity to tell us we’re not doing a good enough job.
However, they are extremely silent when it comes to violent crimes in their own hoods committed by other whites. There are no movements, marches, or even meetings to address the problem of white-on-white crime.
The only times when whites seem to consider any movements against crime and violence is if, and only if, the criminal was a black, or in some cases brown, person, and/or the criminal excuses his actions by what he or she watched, listened, or read in the media. Only then do they start movements against violence, but they mobilize against the media.
I remember when gangproblem was at its peak in LA back in 1980′s, there were several demonstrations against the gang violece in black communities. Some even made it to the news. Not many though.
I remember there were demonstartions and protests against the crime wave in NYC back in the late 1980′s by black people who were sick and tired of gangsters killing them and selling crack to their kids etc.
There were. It was a major issue for the black community back then, and mostly black people were involved to try and stop the violence. The hip-hop community even made a video with a collaboration of then-famous rappers called “Self-Destruction”. A few years ago, Local Jersey rappers revamped their own version of the video. Rappers in the West Coast did the same thing to stop the violence and produced the video “We All in the Same Gang”.And it’s not just those videos, and the movements went beyond just music.
So when bliff and his “race realist” buddies here are saying or implying that black americans do not protest against black criminals, that is a load of BS, as usual. Black americans have done it many times for decades. But for some strange reason their protests in that respect do not usually get any news coverage. Race is not the issue there and that is not “good news item”. When race is brought up, that is a “controversial issue” and good news, because the news companies can run with that story for weeks and months.
“Race realists” are all about learning what they want to learn and consider anything to counter their ideals pure crap. And some of them will tell you why you’re wrong while calling you names lol.
Most news companies in the past and present are ran by white males. They may have a very selective and limited view as to what constitutes as crime and news. To them the more violent and more “unusual” the crime, the better it is to report it. Like their motto goes “If it bleeds, it leads.”
Now, they mix that in with their racial mindset, and voila. You are more likely to see black men as criminals and suspects way more than you see them as victims or role models. The latter is said to not be considered “newsworthy” because people are more attracted to violence and a reason to fear.
I always say that if one lives by what he learns from the news media alone, one will end up being afraid and have a deep disdain for black people. The fact is many people learn from the television way more than they should.
I forgot which town/city it was, a smaller place in north east or north, in which the local black residents got enough of the local gang bangers and got rid of them by themselves by collecting the evidence, by their own neighbourhood watch and by being strickt parents. That did not get too much attention in white media. I saw it years ago in documentary and even in that documentary that was just a small bit.
I may have seen that documentary, but the most recent one “The Interrupters” showed Chicago residents trying to prevent escalating situations among poor black and brown residents. The people the film showcases were former gangbangers themselves.
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sam
Well, I have not seen too many white americans protest agaist the white serial killers or killer cops who have killed an innocent (homeless) white man, so…
I doubt protests would stop a serial killer.
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@destructure: You are absolutely right about that.
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@brothawolf:
Back when I was living in US there were two black guys causing harm in the area where I was living. Both were wanted and the sketches were shwon of tv etc. THE ONLY RESIDENT WHO DID ANYTHING OTHER THAN WAITED FOR THE POLICE WAS A BLACK GUY.
This guy was from South Side Chicago and had to move from there because some “stuff with the white guys over there, you know”. Never asked and he never told who they were but I think we know what he meant. But he was the only guy who actually was on the look out, who helped elderly at evenings etc. Former who-knows-what himself.
And, when a white woman was attacked by a black rapist in our building, guess who went to help her in the middle of the night? Right, the same black dude. When I got there this guy was already there helping the white woman after he chased the attacker away, and when I got there, he took after the attacker. Did not get him but was able to give a good describtion of him to the cops.
Now, how this fits into the stereotypes or any kind? Former god-knows-what black guy helping a white woman and trying to get the attacker who is black etc. For some reason, for the reason you stated there, these stories are never told. For some reason we do not read in the newspapers “FORMER BLACK GANGSTER SAVES A WHITE WOMAN FROM BEING RAPED”. Oh no. Never that.
At that time I did not think about the color issue at all. I just thoughed he was brave guy and did a good job. Much later, years later, I realised how different the reality can be from the one we are presented by the media.
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@brothawolf
It’s all about the validation of their currently-held beliefs. They have little to no interest in learning anything new or of note about these and other race-related issues — not unless they can use what they’ve learned to validate their beliefs and boister their own internal narrative.
@destructure
Indeed. However, if said serial killer was preying on the black community, would black Americans be obligated by their white counterparts to protest anyways, given the narrative about blacks not protesting crime in their communities? Just asking…
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@Mack Lyons
The whole point of Abagond’s post was to illustrate how convictions are a sure thing for blacks harming/killing whites, yet whites find it far easier to avoid conviction or even arrest for harming/killing blacks,
With his obviously biased sample of 10 black on white and 2 weak white on black cases, he demonstrated nothing of the kind. My original point, which still stands, is that his evidence for his main point – the difference in case outcome which depends on race – is not only weak, as presented, but obviously biased.
If he wants to make the case, he should present some statistics on the difference, not list a few cases. Anybody can bias their position by listing only 12 cases.
My original post was to criticize the weak evidence he presented in support of his point. I am under no obligation to re-do his post to show either that he is right or wrong. That is his job, not mine, unless I choose to do so. It’s a perfectly valid comment to criticize his statements without me having to re-do his work.
For the white-on-black murders, I can think of a few off the top of my head that could have been added to Abagond’s list
* The Jasper, TX truck dragging death leading to 2 death sentences
* The recent case in AL or GA in which the blond kid ran over a black teenager, which lead to a life sentence
* In late 1990’s a Marine from Camp Lejeune shot an interracial couple to death and he was convicted.
This are 3 strong cases I thought literally off the top of head without doing any Web search at all. A simple search would lead to more. Abagond could have done this, he knows this, but he presented biased evidence regardless.
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Mack Lyons
Indeed. However, if said serial killer was preying on the black community, would black Americans be obligated by their white counterparts to protest anyways, given the narrative about blacks not protesting crime in their communities? Just asking…
Its understood that serial killers are crazy people acting alone. Its certainly not the fault of a community being weak on crime. And there isn’t much anyone can do about it except try to catch them. So I don’t think anyone expects a protest. Personally, I think marches and protests are dumb.
However, contrast a serial killer to the overall crime rate. If a community has an attitude of not wanting to cooperate with the police and “snitches get stitches” then one could argue that the community as a whole is actually contributing to the crime problem. Again, I don’t think a march or a protest is going to help. That calls for a change in attitudes.
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There was a serial killer on the loose killing black women in Charlotte, North Carolina. The police did nothing about it till there were protests:
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@ Bliff
You missed the point of the post. Wilfully so, I suspect.
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@Bliff
Personally, I find it a bit unbecoming for a blog guest to direct how the blog owner creates his or her blog posts, but moving on…
These three cases were resolved after massive amounts of local, regional and even national outrage. The murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom were shocking, but outside of the families wanting justice, there wasn’t nearly the outrage required to start, maintain and successfully close an investigation with a captured suspect(s) headed to trial. Black-on-white criminal cases are often resolved to satisfaction with greater ease and alacrity than most white-on-black criminal cases.
The cases you’ve posted managed closure after a period of public scrutiny brought on by ample amounts of outrage from the black community. The two examples Abagond posted have yet to be resolved despite the ever-growing amount of outrage and scrutiny from all corners. And to add two more examples that you could easily find on this blog alone in under a minute, there’s the cases of Rekia Boyd and Kenneth Chamberlain, Sr., both which have yet to be resolved.
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@abagond
You missed the point of the post. Wilfully so, I suspect.
Not at all. You just like to move the goalposts at will.
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@Mack Lyons
cases were resolved after massive amounts of local, regional and even national outrage.
Apparently, you have no idea how the American system of justice works. The cases are handled in a court of law after an arrest or arraignment. The suspect is found either guilty/not-guilty.
The fact that there is a lot of public outrage going on at the same time may or may not have some impact on the police investigation/judicial process. Usually, the effect of the public outrage has little to do with the actual proceedings. People, especially the outraged ones, just think so, egged on the the guillible press. The outrage and the proceedings happen at the same time, so people erroneously conclude there is cause-and-effect here, when it is really just correlation.
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@ Bliff
Apparently you think I am so brainless that I would make a statistical argument based on a sample size of two.
The 10 and 2 cases are not meant as some kind of random statistical sample. They are called EXAMPLES to ILLUSTRATE my point of how CERTAIN WHITE PEOPLE are not getting it about Trayvon Martin.
Sick & Tired saw his examples as equivalent to the Trayvon case, as equivalent to what people like Sharpton protest and I write about. But his examples show that he missed the point. He is not the only who comes up with those sort of examples. Others have too, on and offline. That is why I wrote about it.
If you want to tell ME what my point was and then tell ME how I failed to prove it, then live in your delusion.
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@Mack Lyons
Thats the thing; Zimmerman’s skin isn’t pale at all……seriously in your mind if that guy were to walk around claiming to be an englishman or a pure blood german you think he could with no problem whatsoever or even go to spain and try to pass?
Or to put it this way; if he were part black, with darker than white skin but pale for a black person skin and had black features? Would Zimmerman being “white” even come up?
Most Mestizo’s call themselves white, despite being a far sight closer in appearance to their native blood than their anglo-blood.
Internalized self-hate doesn’t make it a reality, just means they can’t accept who they really are.
And people can say its purely about goverment/police corruption but this desire to call someone white who isn’t white…..well would point the other direction.
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@Abagond
Here’s some “examples” for you to help round out your list. Don’t thank me, as if you would, these are courtesy of AmRen.
•In Kansas City, a 13-year-old white boy named Allen Coon was doused with gasoline and set on fire by two older blacks saying, “This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy.”
•Haley Pettersen, a 15-year-old white girl in a leg cast in O’Fallon, Ill., was out walking her dog when she was attacked by two black girls who said, “This is our territory white girl.” One girl grabbed Haley by the hair, and the other one started hitting her in the face. The perpetrators ran off only when some neighbors came out, but the attack left Haley with a swollen left eye.
•In Kansas City, an unnamed 50-year-old white man was left with a fractured hip and other injuries after being beaten by a group of blacks shouting racial epithets.
•Gary Allder, a white man in San Antonio, came home to find that his house had been burglarized, ransacked and tagged with racial slurs such as “Die Whitey.”
•Travis Eugene Winemiller, 16, a white Polk County, Fla., inmate, was beaten, choked and strangled until he was unconscious by three black inmates. They then hogtied Winemiller and said, “This is how you slave a real cracker,” and threatened to kill him.
•Jacob Appel, a 15-year-old autistic white boy, was attacked by three blacks at his bus stop in Palm Bay, Fla. The blacks taunted, used racial slurs and chased the victim into the street where he was nearly struck by a car. The only reason the offenders were caught is that one of the attackers posted the video on his Facebook page.
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@ Bliff
Right, you are making the same mistake as Sick & Tired.
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“Personally, I find it a bit unbecoming for a blog guest to direct how the blog owner creates his or her blog posts …”
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The above could also be stated this way:
Personally, I find it extraordinarily hilarious for a “real racist” TROLL to direct how the blog owner creates his blog posts …
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Abagond,
How is it that the self-professing intellectually superior white people that come here frequently demonstrate a consistent inability to read and fully comprehend basic English??
This is NOT a rhetorical question.
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@Bliff
Dude, American Rennaissnce? My Firefox won’t even allow me to access that site, because its blacklisted as racist.
@everyone
As of now,from henceforth and whatnot, I propose that a new term be created , specifically for use on this blog.
A bliffism is a phrase or utterance that has three of the following characteristics:
1. obvious
racismrace realism2. made though it was already contradicted by a previous post, just slightly above
3. made from an implicit assumption that then results in question begging
4. moving of goalposts
Here are some examples.
Neo-liberalism? Shoulda used capitalism!
and number 2. here ,>Africans have no written (ideographic/logographic/typographic)
(Franklin schooled him earlier, see the post number)
and my personal favourite,
Show me that black people are being targeted by the police!!
Now, I know that these statements would normally be filed under ‘brainfart’, but these are special case that merit mentioning. What do you guys think ?
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Good examples, Bliff,
now out of your 6 examples, at the time of the news reports:
“were these criminal offenders found so that they could be arrested?
“were all the criminal offenders arrested and arraigned?”
did the white communities have to protest in favor of the victim to get the police to arrest these criminal offenders?
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@ Satan
LOL!
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“V4,
Internalized self-hate doesn’t make it a reality, just means they can’t accept who they really are.”
You’ve just described almost the majority of Central and South America 🙂
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@destructure
That was the the intent of my question. I’ve seen some suggest that Blacks commit more hate crimes against Whites and that there is a lot of anti-White hate going on. As far as crimes go, I also don’t feel that just because the offender and victim differ in race that it is due to hatred. Some criminals are just opportunistic (rape even though intent was to just rob, etc..). I understood the point you were making because it was similar to what I was trying to get at.
@Bliff
Try to think of the points in Abagond’s post as independent of all others. I didn’t see it as a “this is the way things are all the time”. Just as an explanation of why the Martin case is so troubling. There are many factors as to why a criminal in a interracial crime may not be caught. Lack of a good description, shock on the part of the victim, lack of reporting of a crime, and/or many other factors. But when the perpetrator is known and in police custody and then released without the case being taken to court and judged then something appears to be clearly wrong with the procedures followed to handle that case. Comparisons on which is worse is unnecessary (not stating that is what you have done) because any violent crime committed against someone is wrong on its own. Rather it is the way that the case was handled that seems to follow a particular pattern depending on race of the offender and victim as well as social class (thug [perceived to be lower class usually] vs model citizen [perceived to be middle class and above usually] analysis of a victim or offender).
@V-4
That is the annoying thing about race, it always changes. Race in Latin America is so complicated so even if both of Zimmerman’s parents were Peruvian his race could possibly still be identified as White. Also pale skin doesn’t usually indicate White. But what does is up in the air to me. There was a doc by PBS ” Race: The power of an illusion” and when talking about rights for immigrants it came down to classifying people as White or non-White and the judges who decided that had no set standard except that Whiteness is determined by the average White male (O.o). But you are right that some people forget that Hispanic is an ethnicity. I remember a girl trying to correct me and saying that Hispanic means White -_- when I was explaining that it is was an ethnicity that could have any race .
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@satanforce
bliffism – Love it !! Keep spreading the Gospel of Bliff. My notoriety grows by the day.
Neo-liberalism. Right, for the all years i’ve been following current events, i don’t ever recall seeing this term used in this context. It was surprise to me. The “liberalism” turned me off. If it was up to me, Neo-liberalism would not be called “Neo-liberalism”.
“Most of subSaharan Africa was preliterate before the coming of Europeans.” What I actually said. The desert kingdoms were literate due to their contact with the Arabs and other Semites. Some developed writing around the Ashanti and Nigeria areas of West Africa. Besides that, most of subSaharan Africa was preliterate .
“show me that Black people are being targeted by the police”. This link to one of my comments does not show me saying that. My comment at that link was talking about white people being treated leniently by the police.
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@deedee7789
Try to think of the points in Abagond’s post as independent of all others. I didn’t see it as a “this is the way things are all the time”.
I responded to the part of Abagond’s post that I felt like responding to. I don’t have to respond to the whole post or even the main point of the post. I still think that, even as examples, the reader would read the post and get a biased view of, at least, the black-on-white as opposed to the white-on-black murder case handling. One could argue that is not the main point of the post, but the examples certainly have an impact on the main point, because they are listed as evidence of the main point.
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he fact remains that black-on-white crime exceeds the reverse, and that’s the big picture.”
There are SIGNIFICANTLY more white people in the U.S. than black, so it makes LOGICAL sense that the majority of victims of crimes are white.
PS. INTERRACIAL crime does not = hate crime.
It’s MOTIVE that matters. The majority of white ON black crimes are HATE crimes while the majority of black ON white crimes are NOT hate crimes. In other words, when whites attack blacks it’s because they hate black people.
When blacks attack whites, it’s because they’re robbing then. So, your interracial crime stats mean nothing in context.
PS. There are many white people contributing money to Zimmerman’s defense team.
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@Mel
WTF
“INTERRACIAL crime does not = hate crime” Then there are a lot of white people being falsely accused of hate crimes.
“When blacks attack whites, it’s because they’re robbing then.” This whole post has been talking about murders. You mean blacks restrain themselves to only rob white people??
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@Linda
now out of your 6 examples, at the time of the news reports:
“were these criminal offenders found so that they could be arrested?
“were all the criminal offenders arrested and arraigned?”
My comment explained they were all convicted. What in the world does “at the time of the news reports” have any thing to do with the dispostion of the cases? Contrary to common opinion, Linda, the news organizations have nothing to do with the police investigation/judicial proceedings.
did the white communities have to protest in favor of the victim to get the police to arrest these criminal offenders? Contrary to the prevailing opinion on this blog, white people accused of crimes are not treated more favorably by the police. The white offenders were arrested, convicted, and sentenced.
In the Jasper, TX case all white public response was strongly against the white defendants. However, the case proceeded and any public response had no effect on the case.
Furthermore, there was no whining by the white community that they were being treated unfairly by the police – big difference between blacks are arrested and whites are arrested.
We don’t idolize our criminals like blacks do with OJ Simpson, Abu Jamal, and Troy Davis. We just send them to prison.
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@ Matari
They know perfectly well what I mean. They cannot be that stupid. If it was my writing that was at fault then blacks, not just whites, would misunderstand me. It is an act, one of their racist defences, like white women’s tears..
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Abagond:
Great blog and I concur that the arguments put forth by white racists in regards to the way black people are going on about Treyon Martin is hilarious if not downright saddening.
Off topic, are you going to do something on Howard Martin? The black officer shot 28 times by 4 white police officers and HE is being charged with murder. Not the four officers though. Also are you going to do something on Kendrec McDade?
Just wondering and keep up the good posts.
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@ abagond
Bliff stated:
” I responded to the part of Abagond’s post that I felt like responding to. I don’t have to respond to the whole post or even the main point of the post.”
Wow.
That pretty much sums up selective outrage, no?
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Or a bliffism.
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@Satan
I prefer “Bliff’s Principle of Partial Response”.
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How odd that Randy and Douglas are missing from this thread.
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@Bliff
For the white-on-black murders, I can think of a few off the top of my head that could have been added to Abagond’s list
* The Jasper, TX truck dragging death leading to 2 death sentences
* The recent case in AL or GA in which the blond kid ran over a black teenager, which lead to a life sentence
* In late 1990′s a Marine from Camp Lejeune shot an interracial couple to death and he was convicted.
This are 3 strong cases I thought literally off the top of head without doing any Web search at all. A simple search would lead to more. Abagond could have done this, he knows this, but he presented biased evidence regardless.
First of all, you do not get to decide what a person should talk about on his or her own blog unless you both modify and post topics. Other than that, don’t tell Abagond what to write.
Second, there will always be exceptions to the rule, and exception don’t necessarily cancel the rule especially if they are few and far between.
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@truthbetold
” I responded to the part of Abagond’s post that I felt like responding to. I don’t have to respond to the whole post or even the main point of the post.”
Wow.
That pretty much sums up selective outrage, no?
No, sounds like DISCRIMINATION. Commenters here comment all time on any fine point on any comment they select and choose to comment on. It is only me that is being criticized.
That’s OK, though. I’ve said this blog could use a wider range of opinions. The fact that some commenters are responding to my comments, and demanding even that I respond, shows that the commenters find that different opinions brings something to the blog.
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@Bliff
We don’t idolize our criminals like blacks do with OJ Simpson, Abu Jamal, and Troy Davis. We just send them to prison.
You wanna bet?
What about the “Barefoot Bandit”? He became popular on Facebook. He had T-shirts made. He even had a song about him for goodness sake!!
And what about Bonnie and Clyde, two of American history’s most notorious robbers? They are more seen as celebrities than the scourge of society. They had movies, songs, and musicals based on their exploits.
Don’t forget about “The Runaway Bride”. She skipped out on her marriage willingly, went missing, and blamed the whole mess on a nonexistent Hispanic man and a white woman. She was charged for giving false info to the police. BUT, there was a musical play based on her, and I remember that Hollywood wanted to turn her story into a movie!
You don’t idolize your criminals, my ass.
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@Bliff
I prefer “Bliff’s Principle of Partial Response”.
A spade is still a spade, genius.
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@brothawolf
“Barefoot Bandit”…..Bonnie and Clyde…..The Runaway Bride
Good one. Maybe I should have said “we don’t support our criminals, and blame it on racism” instead of “we don’t idolize our criminals.”
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@ Brothawolf
Spliff is here for a pissing match with intelligent black men.
He knows he can’t compete, in more ways than one, so his ammo is his computer.
I’ve met a “Spliff” in every job, every neighbourhood, even in my past circle of friends. He’s compelled to argue rubbish because you’re black and smart and have valid points.
And we all know, in the minds of racists, that’s a no-no.
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“Bliff,
My comment explained they were all convicted. What in the world does “at the time of the news reports” have any thing to do with the dispostion of the cases? Contrary to common opinion, Linda, the news organizations have nothing to do with the police investigation/judicial proceedings.”
Linda says,
Bliff, please don’t be simple.
Your sarcasm doesn’t hold up when compared to your aptitude.
You showed cases of black-on-white crime and the black offenders were arrested and by your above explanation, convicted.
You were supposed to show white-on-black crime where the white offenders are arrested, arraigned, and put through the judicial system for adjudication…
that was your original complaint, that Abagond was being biased.
and if at all possible, you were to show cases of when the white community had to protest in order to get the police to do their jobs and make an arrest.
this would have been a comparable example showing the hurdles that white communities have had to go through similar to what black American communities feel they have to endure just to get the police to act.
“Bliff states “Furthermore, there was no whining by the white community that they were being treated unfairly by the police – big difference between blacks are arrested and whites are arrested.”
Yes, I agree, the white communities usually don’t have to protest because the police do their jobs and arrest the black or white criminal offender Especially when the victim is white…
You have yet to show that white offenders involved in white-on-black crimes are arrested / convicted on an equal ratio as black offenders involved in black-on-white crimes…
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@Bliff
Good one. Maybe I should have said “we don’t support our criminals, and blame it on racism” instead of “we don’t idolize our criminals.”
Maybe you should, and you would still be caught with egg on your face. In a sense turning white criminals into cultural icons is supporting whether you like it or not.
I already came up with two more names to counter your choice of words: George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.
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abagond
There was a serial killer on the loose killing black women in Charlotte, North Carolina. The police did nothing about it till there were protests:
I doubt that. The problem with identifying serial killers is that its hard to distinguish them from regular murders until someone notices the pattern. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of young black women murdered by thugs. So the police may not realize it as quickly.
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What do you guys think ?
Hear, hear! I feel a pohem coming on! First there was the one armed bandit Thordaddy. Now there is everyone’s favourite philosopher dispensing brain farts. Does it get any better?
“Bliff’s Principle of Partial Response”
How about ”Bliff’s Priniple of Wet Brain Farts Usually Preceeding a Particulary Large and Excruciating Dump” or ‘How I bullsha+ My way into Posterior, I mean Posterity’
How odd that Randy and Douglas are missing from this thread.
They are on vacation.
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More likely, they took their online, mutual stroke-fest to the privacy of their parent’s respective basements…
Eeeewww…I need to bleach my brain for letting it think such filth! 😎
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@LInda
You showed cases of black-on-white crime and the black offenders were arrested and by your above explanation, convicted.
No, Linda, the 3 bullet items I listed were all white-on-black crimes.
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Abagond, did you hear about Anna Brown? She was a homeless Black mother who died after the police dragged her from the hospital. I died on the inside the more I read about it.
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“Bliff
@Abagond
Here’s some “examples” for you to help round out your list. Don’t thank me, as if you would, these are courtesy of AmRen”
Then you proceeded to list 6 cases, which did not illustrate your point of white-on-black crimes. I questioned you on these 6 cases, as you well know….
That’s alright, Bliff, I’ll leave you alone so you can continue to complain just for the hell of it…I know you’re here to amuse yourself, as I am also getting amusement out of you and your exercises in futility.
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Linda
I know you’re here to amuse yourself, as I am also getting amusement out of you and your exercises in futility.
No dangit. Bliff’s never said that. I’m the one who’s here to amuse himself.
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Abagond you nailed it.
It’s amazing how some white people love to whine about how there are double standards when it comes to race and outrage.
Deep down, if you asked any of them if they would rather have been born black, none of them would say yes.
The inconsistency is ridiculous.
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W.E.B. DuBois in 1903:
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@ Mira
Thank you for the correction.
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@paserby
Deep down, if you asked any of them if they would rather have been born black, none of them would say yes.
If you asked any of them if they would rather have been born stupid, none of them would say yes, either.
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@bliff:
“Maybe I should have said “we don’t support our criminals, and blame it on racism” instead of “we don’t idolize our criminals.””
Oh yeah? Ask any americanitalian what was the myth about the cosa nostra for decades. Or ask FBI. Oh yes, the myth was: when italians first came to USA they were discriminated against by the wasps and the irish. That is why they banded together and formed these societies, just like they had in the Old Country against normans, french and arabs invaders. These societies were our thing, a thing of italians, which is in italian Cosa Nostra, Our Thing.
That myth was and is BS ofcourse but it shows that yes, even the whites, in this case some americanitalians, have idolised and created myths around their criminals. Come to think of it, Jesse James was also discriminated against and haunted by the rich white men from north, according to the myth which is also huge pile of BS.
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“bliffism”…that is some wit you have their , Satanforce
Very paiful to read those words by DuBois, Abagond, painful because they aply to today as much as back then
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@paserby
Deep down, if you asked any of them if they would rather have been born black, none of them would say yes.
I second, third, fourth, fifth……..that
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@abagond
“W.E.B. DuBois in 1903:”
And todays dateis???………..Talk about living in the past and pimping off of that Golden Age of Oppression & Slavery…..the gift that keeps on giving
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@linda
I am also getting amusement out of you and your exercises in futility.
If this amuses you, then you lead a very boring life. Why don’t you take up golf??
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@truthbetold
Spliff is here for a p!ssing match with intelligent black men.
He knows he can’t compete,
Really, really,really, LMAO over this one. Oh, truthbetold, the things that come out of your mouth ! You need to quit medicine and go into comedy. You are a natural. There should be problem getting people to laugh at you.
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@sam
“La Costra Nostra…jesse James”
Sam, you have a wealth of useless knowledge. What do you do all do day….just read the encyclopedia?
Someday you’ll use that knowledge to actually answer the question at hand.
This reminds me of the time I brought up female genital mutilation in Africa and you gave me a lecture on the Thirty Years War, 1618-1648.
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“Bliff
@linda
I am also getting amusement out of you and your exercises in futility.
If this amuses you, then you lead a very boring life. Why don’t you take up golf??”
No thanks, Bliff…
Golf is an analytical game that makes sense–that’s to be taken seriously; so when I want to laugh, I come here, where you continue to never fail me…
and guess what — with technological advances of today, I can even laugh at you while working.
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Reading internet forum comments on the Trayvon Martin murder, from this far off country that I live, the impression I get is that the poor guy just HAD to be killed!
What a country!
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@Joe
internet forum comments on the Trayvon Martin murder,
Well that shows you how biased the media is. The Trayvon Martin case is starting to turn out like the Duke lacrosse case. There was a super public outrage when the Duke case looked like a white-on-black crime, because the Black race-baiting industry screamed racism all over the media. Then the truth came out.
In the Martin case, the picture that is emerging is that Zimmerman was walking back to his car when Martin came up to, punched him in the nose, knocked him down, and started beating on him. If this scenario holds up in court, then Zimmerman is walking !!! In this scenario, GZ is justified in shooting Martin. I would like to see more of these thugs like Martin put 6 feet under; they’ll finally get the message.
Furthermore, Joe, it was either ABC or NBC news that spliced Zimmerman’s 9-11 call that made it seem that GZ was following Martin just because he was black. But no, that’s not correct. GZ only told the 9-11 operator that Martin was black after the operator asked him about Martin’s race. This is a deliberate race-baiting move.
So, if it seems to you that Martin was targeted, it’s only because of the biased media reporting.
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@ Joe
Thank you for sharing. I have a friend in Nice that tells me how outraged and scornful Europeans are about Americans and this case.
The thing that America fails to realize is we are a Global Nation.
Everything we do is on display for the whole world to see, hear, judge and discuss.
Since most Americans(white) believe that this country is the end-all, be-all of God’s plan, how shocking it is to them to realize that they are NOT liked or respected. Even feared for their outright justification of violence.
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A self-defense shooting is legal – all evidence points to the innocence of Zimmerman.
So now let’s be honest- or let me speak for you (so you don’t have to ). What this is really about is the overall alienation blacks feel in society – an alienation blacks blame on whites. YET, the alienation was created and managed, to this day, by blacks themselves. You see, under Jewish-lead black liberation, blacks decided to separate themselves from whites; they didn’t want the slave-master’s name, his clothes, his speech, etc.. So the blacks developed their own culture – which was basically done by taking the inverse of everything white. Whites have loving families; blacks will have single mothers and gangsta dads; whites think education is important; blacks will make illiteracy a tenet of keeping it real. etc..
So you set up this oppositional culture and you need the “White Man’s World” nonsense as a daily rationalization for the crap you’ve created for your children.
I have no pity.
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Delusional stuff. We aren’t living in 1890 or whenever this was written. Today, not only does somebody as guilty as OJ get off but the black problem is completely covered-up by the white media. You should be rejoicing – what more could you want? If the majority of whites knew of the criminality of the black and the impact it has on decent society – you’d be having problems (which is why the media does what it does) – its not that complicated.
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@Brahms
So now let’s be honest- or let me speak for you (so you don’t have to ). What this is really about is the overall alienation blacks feel in society
Why on earth are you presuming to talk about a people you know nothing about? Your bitterness and vehmence on any topic associated with BP stems from the same feelings of alienation you alluded to on another post when last we met in cyberspace. You have proved that as a result of this you are unable to look at BP objectively.
You talk about honesty? Really? I doubt you have enough pity to go round, you are too busy licking your own wounds and feeling piteous towards yourself…
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Selective outrage:
JonBenet Ramsey
Elizabeth Smart
Caylee Anthony
Laci Peterson
Chandra Levy
Natalee Holloway
Natalie Wood
” We are saddened by the tragic loss of these fallen angels…”
(cue in the white woman tears…)
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Rekia Boyd….who?
Trayvon Martin…Blacks can turn skittles into a deadly weapon.
Abner Louima…well, the cops were just doing what felt right.
Amadou Diallo…should’ve known better than to carry a wallet.
Rodney King…I heard he a an uzi 9mm in the glove box.
Sean Bell…well, Bachelor parties can get out of hand, folks.
Kenneth Chamberlain…old folks are soooo grouchy.
Oscar Grant…well, a taser and a gun look alike to me.
Ramarley Graham…ganja is a hellvua drug.
That’s all folks….
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The last time I checked Zimmerman is Black. He is mixed raced but 1/8th makes the cut as we all know. He looks Black as well as being a Morbid Fat Ass.
People have gone out of their way to prove that Martin was No Angel. However that does Not take away from the Fact that this Fat Scum Bag killed him in more or less cold blood. 1 reason I do not live in a gated community. The civil patrol think that they have Cop Powers and they Do Not.
This Male needs to be charged, convicted and given the Death Penalty.
I do not and I have told my kids not ot pay attention to anything a Dumb Assed, Fat Ass Guard might have to say.Mind your own business ignore them and if they get stupid about then Dail 911 and call the Police. Some respect if dumb Ass is in Uniform as he is at least working and trying to do his job and being all he can be. Don’t go out your way to make his life any rougher then it is.
But No Uniform and not eaither Real Police or Rent A Cop then No. Plus if he can’t speak english when the Police arrive have him checked for being an illegal.
When some one iworking in a store and they can’t speak English. I go loudly Are you Legal!! Are you Legal!!! Whoop Whoop are you Legal!!!
The exception being an Enthic Food Store or Eating Place then I don’t expect it and I am Nice.
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Ronald, you umm…yeah. Your words speak for themselves.
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I see this as Black on Black Crime. We call each othe the Fning N Word all the time. Also the Social Graces of a Cast Society withing a Cast Society. Middle Class light skinned and/or passing blacks vs poor dark skinned blacks. Poor Dark Skinned Blacks get the short end of the stick, as happened in this case.
In a lot of cases Black Men that might be in the Home are Not in the Home because Black Women cannot collect Social Services and Entitlement Programs such as WIC and Food Stamps. So they have to leave or are driven away by Old Black Bitty Women or the Social Services System.
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Ronald, what kind of people do you hang out with that you call each other the N word all the time? Because I am Black and have an extensive extended Black family and numerous Black friends and we don’t call each other that word at all. You know there are Black people who listen to things other than degrading rap. We are the people who invented jazz, blues and rock and roll among countless other styles.
It sounds like the people that you know who are ignorant enough to use the N word would be ignorant enough to play the paper bag test games. Perhaps you should find new acquaintances, because your generalizations don’t apply to me, nor do they apply to anyone on this blog.
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@ Darq
I agree. Almost all the black people I hear using the n-word are on television or in rap songs – content produced by white companies largely for white people. I hardly ever hear a real black person say it. Not only was I brought up not to say it, but since it has been used against me by white people I have no earthly desire to say it either.
It is unlikely Ronald is black: his blacks are stereotypes and seen in terms of social policy.
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@ abagond
I find it so weird when white people say, “Well BLACK people can say it.”
Like why do you want to be able to say it so much? Does it really bug them that much that they can’t say the word? That’s what I get from the whole argument. Selective outrage at its finest.
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@ abagond,
Yes, I got the feeling that he was an impostor as well. Subtle clues that they give off that are oh so evident to us. They’ve been doing this since dressing up as Native Americans to start trouble. Fascinating that they need to resort to deception in order to prove their “point”.
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I think the actual ‘selective outrage’ comes from the fact that the media is so quick to jump on any situation of white on black violence with an obvious (or even perceived) racial motivator, where as cases of black on white hate crimes are generally ignored. It’s that the media projects white people as racist and black people as not.
Almost every case of black on white racial crime, even the worst cases against children and families, such as cases listed by Bliff above, never make it to mainstream media. But any case of racism against blacks at all, even the smallest cases without substantial evidence, become front page news. Like a professor claiming racial profiling by the cops.
The media is also very quick to pin a case of white on black crime as racial. Or if it is a racial crime, to label the offender as white, like the Trayvon case.
And like the Tulsa case, which is likely a racial hate crime, the offenders were instantly labeled white. But while the accomplice appears to be white, the shooter is actually Native American, and does not appear white in the least. This obviously large mistake has barely been acknowledged as of yet.
It reinforces the mainstream idea that white people are always racist, where as hate crimes by blacks and other minorities are non-existent (in the eyes of the media anyway).
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Abagond:
The media is not on our side, black folk need to accept this harsh reality. CNN, HLN, MSNBC, FOX NEWS…the same bs takes place. When the suspect is black and the victim is white/other, media outlets focus a lot of attention on the story compared to when the victim is black and the suspect is white/other. As i’ve said before many times on this blog, all non-blacks have conflict with black people. It’s not just white people that we have beef with. A lot of us have been brainwashed by those in the civil-rights movement to view whites as the bogeyman only and other colored folk as allies of black folk on this planet. This false premise has hurt our race in this country and abroad.
Black people in the US defend white arabs, who in turn, have wreaked all kinds of havoc among blacks in North Africa…racism…radical islam…terrorism…rape of blackwomen, etc.
Black people in the US defend asians, who in turn, have set up a caste system based on lightness or darkness of skin. White asians are superior, brown-skinned asians are inferior. At the same time, asians are lumped in with black people by default.
Black people in the US have accepted the false premise of hispanic/latino despite the fact that neither is a racial classification. White spaniards on the top, mestizos/indians in the middle, and blacks on the bottom. Spanish blacks are the bedrock of spanish culture, yet, they’re still second-class in the eyes of whites and mestizos. But, blacks in the US are quick to lump the same hypocritical whites and indians in with our struggle when neither participated in the civil-rights movement anyway. In essence, non-blacks pretend to be allies of black people for the sake of exploitation purposes. I apologize for swerving off topic, but, it’s very important that black people stop thinking that whites are the only group of people on the planet that have conflict with us, because it’s not the case. Understanding this reality allows us to view the crime issue and race truthfully. I’m not saying all of this to hate on non-blacks, i’m saying it because it’s reality. I can only go by what i’ve witnessed with my eyes and ears black people, there is no fantasy involved with this issue. Friends or Foes? Black people have a lot of foes and few friends…Real Talk! Again, others seek to control and exploit black people, therefore, we have no true friends but ourselves!!!
Tyrone
MindScape
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The George Zimmerman example in this case does not apply, since he did not murder Trayvon Martin, he acted in self defense. Don’t see how you can make the comparison.
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Black people are lying when they say this is not about race. The fact is initially everyone thought that Zimmerman was white. The next set of facts go as follows: The media only reported on this and blew it up because they thought Zimmerman was white. Had Zimmerman been black and done the exact same thing with the exact same lack of arrest, the media would not have said a thing and even if they had mentioned it, Sharpton, Jackson and Co. would not have gone to Florida to make such a huge fuss. This is purely about race for black people plain and simple. Its the Duke LaCrosse “rape” case all over again except in this case, Zimmerman clearly isnt white.
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@ Aaron
Maybe you see race which says a lot about you , but what you see and what a black person sees can be two different things. I for one saw a man kill a teenager. Zimmerman could have been purple and it would have made no difference. He was not put through the proper steps of law as he should have been. If he had you nor I would be here having this conversation.
@ Tim Dean
Giving the evidence in this case it could be self-defense, but the more discrepancies that appear it really makes you wonder whether it was or not. Until you can present some facts on whether it was self-defense or not…don’t just make things up because that is what you want to believe.
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Wow, that this argument should have legs makes me sick. I remember a sign on the water fountains that said “Whites Only.” I remember the funeral of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King and as a naive 8 yr old white girl in an all-white town, I likened his death to the martyrdom of Jesus, and believed with all my heart that racism was over. I never thought about it until my college friends hooted with derision at my naivete, that that nasty discrimination thing was over and done with. I don’t believe in God any more, and I am not believing much in humanity either. Doctor my eyes…
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@ lisafrommars
Considering the town I grew up in I know what you mean in believing that racism is over. I believed that for a long time until things that I saw online made me really realize that it was not over. The Martin case being one of those things. I never saw such blatant hate and racism from white commenters in my entire life. I saw blacks being called monkey’s and whites yelling about how blacks are getting their way all the time and I was thrown back. Every now and then someone would be bold enough to say the n-word and I just could not believe it. I had to come out of my bubble then and start to realize that I live in a small time with a small percentage of white people who are fair and kind. The rest of the world is not like that.
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Who cares about black people they can afford to lose some numbers . i just want blacks to understand that they stink ,that includes ther homes, car clothes ,hair etc. male and female black people smell nasty they never shower or even bother buying or putting on deodorant. ther so use to ther nasty smell they cant smell it. all you nasty ass musty black people stink and thats a FACT.
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@ Jose o’lay
LOL. You want to know what is so funny. If you are Hispanic you know all the things you just said are things I have heard people say about Hispanics. I guess when my husband’s Hispanic co-worker said some hispanics are so jealous of blacks they will say whatever, then it must be true.
Now if you are white it is even more funny considering I knew several white families (very nice people) who thought having lice, pin worms, and other bugs living in your home was ok. These families also thought cat piss and sh*t every where was cute too. They never even took out the litter boxes because; as one woman put it, it is ok…cats are very clean. These same families also thought taking a bath once a week was ok. I baby sat once and by the time those kids got out of the tub the water was black as night. If it was up to me they would have stayed in there for a week. Not to mention one of the families boys would pee in the bed (10 years old) and throw the piss wet undies under the bed.
Oh and by the way that is a FACT and obviously common considering how easy it was for these families to talk to people about it like it was nothing.
Then again idiots like you have selective memory and selective outrage when it comes to FACTS anyway.
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@Charles, I know my comment is way after the fact, but I appreciate your honesty and candor. If only there were more White people like yourself, willing to publicly acknowledge the truth.
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The obvious difference is that the Trayvon Martin killing was not murder. Also, there was an arrest on the night of the killing: George was taken by police to the station, interrogated, tested for drugs, his gun held as evidence, etc. That’s an arrest. That no charges were filed (originally) does not mean he wasn’t arrested. And, of course, due to the predictable and pathetic selective outrage and pressure, absurd charges of second-degree murder were eventually filed. He’ll walk, of course; there’s no evidence to support anything close to second-degree murder. At worst, a manslaughter charge would have been at least vaguely plausible.
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@ Zaphod
I am going to ask you to define murder and we will go from their.
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Also I do want to remind you that a jury can consider a less charge. I also want to point out the definition of second degree murder :1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable “heat of passion” or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender’s obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.
Now the definition of manslaughter: The unlawful killing of a human being without malice or premeditation, either express or implied; distinguished from murder, which requires malicious intent.
Some would actually consider Zimmerman playing cop as dangerous conduct and a complete lack of concern for not only his own life but Martin’s as well, so second-degree is a possibility.
I am more for manslaughter though because evidence does point to the fact that if Zimmerman was indeed scared of Martin he would not have followed him. The altercation took place not near Zimmerman’s vehicle as he keeps claiming, but actually in between Zimmerman’s vehicle and Martin’s presiding residence. If Zimmerman was on his way back to his vehicle and the fight started then there is no way they ended up there.
Now you just proved a prime example of selective media outrage. You are more concerned with Martin and the lives of black people that you failed on all aspects to show any concern for the lives of other men or women that have suffered. You can cry all day that it is the media fault but in all honest the media only shows what the audience wants to see. It is as popular as it is because whites like you are concerned with it to such a degree that you have the “so what” attitude towards white victims. The only time they are every of any concern is when you want to bring up black crimes.
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I hadn’t heard it put that way good point. I do want to point out though that a lot of people want more media coverage why half the time the guilty party goes free when it a politically charged case so I don’t understand why people even want media coverage half the time
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[…] selective outrage […]
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Selective outrage plus justice served. White nationalists and propagandists, like Colin Flaherty and Jared Taylor, love exhausting energy on Black crime but never do they exhaust energy on the justice served on these Black individuals.
Selective outrage plus lying on the innocent. Whites, particularly White women, like Susan Smith and Ashley DePew (honorary White woman), love to blame the Black man for their own or White boyfriend’s wrong doings.
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