Emmett Till (1941-1955) was a 14-year-old black boy who whistled at a white woman and was savagely beaten and killed. That was in 1955 in Mississippi in the American South. The two men who killed him were white. They walked free.
Emmett Till lived in Chicago, his mother’s only child. She sent him down south to Money, Mississippi to spend two weeks during the summer with his cousins.
One day he and his 12-year-old cousin walked into the Bryant Grocery Store. The owner’s 21-year-old wife, Carolyn Bryant, was there. The cousin said Till whistled at her. Once he whistled they ran. Till liked to play pranks.
In Bryant’s account, Till took her arm and said, “How about a date, baby?” She broke free and he came behind the counter, put his hands on her hips and said, “What’s the matter, baby? Can’t you take it?” He said things too obscene to repeat. He told her not to be afraid, that he had been with white women before.
Just then, as she tells it, another coloured fellow entered the store, took Till by the arm and led him out. Outside the store Till made another obscene remark. She went to her car to get her gun and they ran off.
Three days later two white men came in the middle of the night and took away Till at gunpoint. The men were Roy Bryant, the husband, and his half-brother, J.W. Milam.
Four days after that Till was found dead in the Tallahatchie River north of town, his head wired to a big, heavy cotton gin fan.
The body was sent back to Chicago to his mother. His face was gone, his head partly crushed, his left eye hanging out of its socket. Only a ring told her that it was her son.
His mother had an open casket funeral so that everyone could see the savage thing that had been done. Jet magazine printed pictures, pictures burned into the brain of probably every grown black American of the time:
The NAACP called it a lynching, but unlike most lynchings this one went to trial.
Bryant and Milam were arrested. The trial lasted five days. It took the jury of white men one hour to come to a verdict: Not guilty. Bryant and Milam, knowing they could not be retried, later told Look magazine that they did it.
Eleanor Roosevelt, the former first lady and a leading white liberal of the day, said maybe the jury was not sure the body was Emmett Till’s, that maybe the accused could still be put away for kidnapping, something they had confessed to. They never were.
Earlier that year in Mississippi Lamar Smith and George Lee were killed. They were black men who had been registering blacks to vote. Unlike Till’s death, theirs never became big news.
Emmett Till’s mother said,
My son was a sacrificial lamb, he was sent to play a special role and I don’t think he died in vain.
Ten weeks later Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat to a white man.
– Abagond, 2011.
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Good post. And this happened in 1955, not 1905, 1885, or 1865. 1955, the Fifties, coonskin caps, the baseball bats, the Yankees, Joe DiMaggio, Marilyn Monroe, drive-ins, Elvis, rock’n’roll, dungarees, casinos in Cuba, etc etc.
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Abagond, I have been reading your blog now for 3 years, I just want to say THANK YOU for everything that you blog about. You have opened my eyes to so many things and I can’t thank you enough. I feel like the internet is not a reliable source for history. I couldn’t imagine what was going through Emmett Till’s mind at the time. My heart goes out to him, and his family. It takes a strong person( almost supernatural strength) to handle what his mother saw after his murder. I cannot type anymore… I am speechless.
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@sam:
Exactly. 1955 – the ‘Good Old Days’, as some Americans call it! Those same ‘Good Old Days’ where Southerners engaged in lynchings and would send postcards of those crimes to distand friends and relatives. They would stand there, in their Sunday best, smiling for the camera while desecrated bodies hung behind them.
And people still want to claim that “it’s all in the past so GET OVER IT!”
Amazing. Fascinating. Pathological. Sickening.
And the band plays on…
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Emmett Till’s life was definitely not in vain. I’m reading the book, At the Dark End of the Street: Black Women, Rape, and Resistance – a New History of the Civil Rights Movement from Rosa Parks to the Rise of Black Power, by Danielle McGuire. It brings to light the life of Rosa Parks and how there was more behind her giving up her seat that day. The truth is constantly being revealed.
Here’s a link for anyone interested.
http://www.booktv.org/Program/11849/At+the+Dark+End+of+the+Street+Black+Women+Rape+and+Resistance+a+New+History+of+the+Civil+Rights+Movement+from+Rosa+Parks+to+the+Rise+of+Black+Power.aspx
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That bitch (Carolyn Bryant) is still living and NEVER apologized to Ms. Till and the rest of her family. I do remember Emmetts mother got on nationwide tv (oprah) and forgave those who were involved in her sons murder…Now that was a REAL woman. that took ALOT of courage to do something like that. May she R.I.P.
But the demons who killed her son is in hell where they belong…but before they died those son-of-a-bitches suffered for what they did. I think Ms.Till said the “men” both had cancer or sumthing. Anyway, the bitch who is responsible is still alive and kicking. I’ll never forget how Ed Bradly (before he died) tried to interview HER….and her son ran him and the camera crew off thier property. No matter now, I’m pretty sure she’s living in guilt and shame…. will be until the day she die. You reap what you sew.
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The horrible wretch is still alive I think. She is 72 years old and living in Greenville, Mississippi by her married name, Carolyn Dunham. Every single time I read her “truthful” account of what happened I think of the wretch who lied and started the Rosewood Massacre. That poor poor CHILD. He was tortured and put through such pain and misery and they got away with it. It is for reasons such as these that I MUST believe in the Lord. I simply must. There is simply to much unaccounted for ugliness in the world for me to go on thinking justice will never come. I wonder why no one tracks her downs and hounds her for interviews. Or will the “investigations” begin once everyone involved is dead. I don’t mean to sound bitter, but this story enrages me. Always has and always will.
RIP Emmett
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The first time I learned about Emmett Till was from an Ebony magazine at my grandparents house. When I saw the picture I burst into tears. I was about his age when that happened and it was so difficult for me to wrap my mind around the fact that there are people in this world so utterly hateful that they would torture and murder a child.
No, his life was not in vain from my perspective. I’m glad his mother can forgive, but I never will. Leave that to God. I say never forgive and never forget the monsters who perpetrated such atrocities . Each and every one of those SOBs should be brought to account for their crimes. Just like the former Nazis were hunted down and tried.
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Isn’t this similar to what lead to the Tulsa (Black Wall Street) bombings?
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Emmett Till’s father, Louis Till, was ‘executed’ in Italy. WWII for the alleged rape and murder of 2 Italian women. The circumstances surrounding this event is sketchy.
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Only 9 comments on this thread but over 1,750 on “Black Women That White Men Like”. Interesting.
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@ a
Look at the dates when both threads were created respectively.
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I highly recommend everyone to read
Death of Innocence: The Story of the Hate Crime that Changed America.
This book will have you in tears. It’s a disgrace Emmit Till’s mother, Mamie Till-Mobley, doesn’t receive the recognition of starting the civil rights movement. She wanted the world to see the injustice and brutality done to her son. The story was told in newspapers throughout the world and stirred international outrage.
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My gosh! As a child, I first saw pics of Emmett Till’s bloated face in the casket and I broke down just as poetess did. Such a handsome young man to have suffered so cruelly and horribly. What happened to him was beyond disgusting and profoundly wicked…just plain evil.
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@ leigh
Indeed, the child hardly looked human once they were done with him.
It must have been very difficult for his mother.
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@King:
I couldn’t bear to look at the pic again. I remember quite well how he looked. I can’t imagine what his mother went through to see her baby like that. 😦
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Abagond, I am a big fan of your blog, but I think it kind of disrespectful to not show the picture of his body. That is the reason why it is so famous. His mother, Mami Till, allowed an open casket funeral and the press all over the world to expose the ugliness that American racism is. I think you should honor that and have a picture of Emmet Till’s body.
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@Imwriter
Why is it disrespectful to not show it? I mean I understand what you are saying but it seems like your trying to lecture someone on how to use the pictures of a hate-crime victim’s body…definitely let me know if I mis interpreted that, heh. if I did I apologize.
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This story is heartbreaking. I remember seeing this in a sort of most infamous crimes article, I think it was Times, and it was about when my interest in crime peaked. I remember not being able to make out anything in the picture but knowing that that child was physically destroyed by those bigots. Seeing this picture and finally being able to make out the features gives me a sort of fridge horror at the idea that someone could do this to a person, and it be seen as “right”. It is like when I saw that Four Little Girls documentary and saw the bodies of those children. God it gave me nightmares.
If this story doesn’t make people think about how harmful racism truly is, then sometimes I wonder if there is any humanity left in the world.
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unbelievable. thanks for this
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Great post as usual Abagond.
The important thing about this case is that it continues, maybe not to the extreme as with Till’s death, but it continues in some way, shape or form against black people who were vicitms of savage hate crimes that continue to this day.
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@blaque ink: And there is whole sub culture and tradition of hate crimes doing well in USA. Blacks, jews, dissidents, wrong religion, what ever… Really weird and creepy that this is still alive.
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He was so young. I can’t imagine the shock, grief, and absolute horror his mother must have felt losing her child this way.
This is the part of history blacks are told to forget and get over while most of us 30-somethings have parents who are about the same age as Mr. Till would’ve been. This isn’t something you just “get over” or “move on from”.
It really infuriates me how we are supposed to have a selective memory when it comes to American History. We should be proud and remember every detail of the American Revolution, the Boston Tea Party, and the voluntary immigration of Europeans in the early 20th century. But when it comes to things like Mr. Till, Jim Crow, the kidnap and rape of Recy Taylor and Betty Owens, we’re supposed to charge it to develop amnesia.
All I have to say is this. Having these discussions about these events in history and the social climate surrounding them are so important and might be the only way to ensure it is never forgotten or trivialized despite the fact that it might make certain people uncomfortable.
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Reminds me of incidents in our not-so-distant past when innocent men (walking along and minding their own business), were captured, tied to trucks and drug to their deaths. Their bodies were literally torn apart. There were no accusations against these men that would spur such violence. The were killed just for the hell of it. Sad.
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@ Pelo:
You stated what I was going to. Not so long ago, in Texas (late 1990s?) a man was tied to the bumper of a pickup truck and drug for miles, by people he had been having a beer with not a half hour earlier…
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The Emmett Till story is one that is very sad to me. Being from the South I know how alive racism still is to this very day and just to think that a black man was killed for something so petty, is hearbreaking.
I remember when I was a child JET magazine ran the story of Emmett Till and they showed the photos from his funeral and it said that his mother wanted the casket left open so the world could see what they had done to her son.
…I still remember that.
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I remember seeing his picture when I was a teenager. That image is seared into my mind; I’ll never have to see it again to remember what was done to him. As for the white woman in question, may God have mercy on her soul. I NEVER bought that story about Emmet “whistling” at her. Back then relationships between Black men and Caucasian women were not as common as they are now. A Black man knew that he could be killed for even looking crossways at a precious white woman let alone whistling at her. I’m sure Emmet’s mother would have schooled her son on how to act while in the South. Heck, Black parents STILL have to school their kids about being Black and being careful about not doing certain things. At least my parents did that with me and my brother.
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I agree with you Darkbeauty. There is no justice in this world, but I do truly believe that the Lord knows and sees all the ugly, hideous things that we have done to one another. I do believe He will judge us all one day. NO ONE will be able to hide behind corrupt judges or judicial systems. NO ONE.
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What pisses me off is that shit like this happens to blacks yet when OJ is acquitted, white folks wanted to act like it is the crime of the century. Blacks were lynched, burned, dismembered and their attackers get off free for years (!), yet whites don’t give a damn about that. The only thing they can think of is OJ and not of the blacks who have been killed at the hands of whites and whose families never received due justice. Everytime I talk about a black person being killed and the killers being “proven innocent” whites always want to say “Well, OJ Simpson blah blah…”. For once they knew how it felt, and yet they still have no empathy. There is something wrong with that, it’s unnatural they way they act…seriously.
Sidenote:So many people are saying that these acquitted criminals will pay in hell or that God sees their crimes. Sometimes I think that is an easy out. It’s just a way for people to ease their minds when they are helpless in a situation. You never know, there may not be an afterlife, there may not be a God. Justice should be dealt out on earth, not in some spirit world by a God who may not even exist.
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There was also Mary Turner, who was hung upside down from a tree, burned, had the fetus cut out of her uterus and shot several times. Her white attackers stomped on the fetus and crushed it’s head. They got away with it.
http://www.maryturner.org/
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Suggested reading: Without Sanctuary: Lynching Photography in America by James Allen.
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A guy named Kenneth Beauchamp also directed a great documentary about the Till lynching: The Untold Story of Emmett Louis Till.
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A 14(!!) year old boy playing an innocent prank – who would have at that age? Come on you hypocrites raise your hands!
Only in a totalitarian system a 14(!!) year old would have been transformed by adult savages into what we see in the disturbing picture King posted. Only in a totalitarian system those kind of things are wiped under the rug. Only in a totalitarian system the perpetrators get away with a slap on their hands (and silent ovations from the so-called silent majority). Only in a totalitarian system such as South Africa under apartheid, n@zi Germany and the United… errm (fill in the blank).
Before you get your knickers in a twist, fascists, the USSR, Cuba and North Korea belong to the totalitarian systems. Yep. However point me to just one case from those countries where a 14 year old boy got lynched unchecked by savages for whistling(!!) at a woman.
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@ aiych
Oh, I know that story too. And I wonder why we are called savages.
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aiych…So true….so true. And I’ve never heard of this lady named Mary turner. thanx for that info.
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Reading “At The Hands of Persons Unknown: The Lynching of Black America” changed my perspective on America. I knew that it is a country as bad as any other, but that really brought home to me how impossible it is for White Americans to just overcome racism in a couple of decades. They reveled in it gleefully and now I think there is an anger that they can’t do that anymore since they have to affect such sober tones as they proclaim racism a horrible thing from the past.
I HIGHLY recommend this book. It is a detailed history of lynching and its impact on blacks and whites. It’s also a page-turner. I learned so much there. What really gets to me still is all the bodies that have been pulled out of rivers like the Tallahatchie – bodies that have never been identified, just so many black (mostly) men. For example, when they were searching for those three murdered civil rights workers (James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner), other bodies were pulled out of the rivers and bayous.
That’s why you can’t really take seriously official lynching statistics. Throughout much of US history it was just too easy to kill some black people and there be no record other than black families sometimes mentioning how “Uncle Ray” went missing. And we know that to this day no one cares when black folks go missing.
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Abagond,
Thank you for writing this post about Emmitt Till. May he never be forgotten by anyone.
La Reyna
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@king- Sadly, in ten years this thread will still not come CLOSE to 1,750 comments!
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and your point is…
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Everytime I hear this I always cry. It was 1955 the good ol days indeed. And white people wonder why I kiss my teeth when they gush about how “cool” it would be to live back then this of course is when they finished watching Grease.
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@ a
Probably not, but people often comment on issues that they are dealing with at the time of the posting.
We remember Emmett Till from our history books. He is an icon of the Civil Rights Movement who dies too young, and too horribly. But this is not Dancing With the Stars. A post doesn’t translate into a vote for which topic is the most worthy of our remembrance. 🙂
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Those photos are disturbing.
There’s a documentary about Hurricane Katrina that features rednecks on tape bragging about how many black men they shot in the aftermath of the hurricane.
Random black men walking down the street, standing at bus stops and trying to escape New Orleans were shot, injured and killed by rednecks and none of those rednecks got punished.
Heck, they proudly showed their faces on the videos you can find on Youtube, bragging about how it was “pheasant season.”
That was 2005.
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@Mell, I have family from/in New Orleans and it was that bad. I saw some of those Youtub videos and they are horrific.
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https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/12/20/the-white-gunmen-of-katrina/
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Could you please write about the lynching of black women?
Most people don’t realize that black women, like laura nelson, were also victims of lynching, many were raped just before being murdered and several were visibly pregnant.
http://henriettavintondavis.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/black-women-who-were-lynched-in-america/
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What a heartbreaking story. I have to say that for some reason, in between now and the last time I read about Emmett Till, I’d somehow put out of my mind that he was only 14. How sick to take such an awful revenge on a child, just for playing a silly prank.
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“Innocent” Emmett Till conducted a sexual assault. He in no way deserved what happened to him, but can we cut the BS about his being an innocent victim? If this is the best icon you can come up with you have a problem.
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And how do you know he conducted a sexual assault?
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@ Mencken
What sexual assault? If you’re going by the story of the white woman in question, then all I have to say is “Rosewood” and “Black Wall Street”. If this is the best way for you to cope with white history, by denying it, you have a problem.
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You people are just funny.
I see how it goes.
Anything a black person says is automatically true.
Anything a white person says is automatically false.
Calling that logical must be a black thing, I wouldn’t understand.
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@ Mencken:
So you think Carolyn Bryant’s story is believable? What if Till were white, would it still be believable? Does it make any kind of sense, given the age difference? Now add to that that her husband is up for murder. Is she still believable?
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Given what a high percentage of black males in this country, even at very young ages, are foul-mouthed, sexually harrassing idiots with an intense desire for white p*ssy .. yes, it’s TOTALLY believable.
I have seen it happen myself, more than once – without the same outcome, of course.
I suggest you check out DoJ interracial sexual assault figures – for every black woman attacked by a white man hundreds of white women are attacked by black men, in some years the number of white-on-black assaults is so low DoJ doesn’t even bother to run the number.
Plenty of little Emmetts out there …
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@ Mencken
Or in other words… you have no idea if EMMET TILL committed a sexual assault.
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Equally you have no idea that he didn’t.
Two versions – that told by whites, that told by blacks. You obviously have a race-based preference; as do I.
Difference is mine is also supported by general assumptions about race and conduct which are massively borne out by actual crime statistics.
PS I’m not going to celebrate Black History Month anytime soon, but I’m pretty sure there are two t’s in Emmett.
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“You obviously have a race-based preference; as do I.”
No I don’t.
I can’t say for certain whether Emmet Till took Carolyn Bryant’s arm and said, “How about a date, baby?” (Which is what Bryant reported to the police) Does that rise to the level of sexual ASSAULT in your eyes?
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Sure you don’t …
To quote the relevant section of the original post IN FULL: “In Bryant’s account, Till took her arm and said, “How about a date, baby?” She broke free and he came behind the counter, put his hands on her hips and said, “What’s the matter, baby? Can’t you take it?” He said things too obscene to repeat. He told her not to be afraid, that he had been with white women before.”
Do you NOT think that’s sexual assault?
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ASSAULT? Probably not. He did not touch her sexually or in her private areas. In fact, that sort of thing was done by White men to their secretaries all the time in that era, and it was not considered assault in those cases. It would certainly be considered “sexual harassment” today.
If Emmett was actually guilty of acting as described, the actions would have been crude, disrespectful, and forward, but not criminal.
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Touching her on the hips (the second time she said he touched her), in combination with saying “things too obscene to repeat” would be enough to result in charges in my jurisdiction, if the victim felt physically threatened.
Per the definition from the National Center for the Victims of Crime: “Sexual assault takes many forms including attacks such as rape or attempted rape, as well as any unwanted sexual contact or threats. Usually a sexual assault occurs when someone touches any part of another person’s body in a sexual way, even through clothes, without that person’s consent.”
I deal with EEO issues all the time, including sexual harassment, and if there is actual touching involved, particularly of a semi-sexual area like the hips, especially if obscene language is used, you have passed from harassment to assault.
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But we aren’t really talking about your jurisdiction in the year 2011 are we? We’re talking about the definition at the time of the alleged occurrence.
Is that not correct?
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How else to judge it from 2011?
I’m sure you think nearly all white people circa 1955 were deeply racist, when most were simply reflecting the mores of the time.
How is this different?
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“I’m sure you think nearly all white people circa 1955 were deeply racist”
It depends what you mean by “deep.” They were certainly submerged in a more overtly racist system than they are today. It was still wrong, but it was also much easier to be wrong and to think wrong back then.
Emmet Till was accused of doing something that White men did back in those days with impunity. Emmett Till was only 14 years old at the time. But Emmett Till never got a chance to prove whether or not he did anything wrong, because White adults kidnapped and brutally murdered him. Neither of the White murders were punished in anyway for murdering a child or kidnapping him, even though Roy Bryant, and J.W. Milam confessed to the latter. [A Federal Offense]
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You are quibbling over “deeply” … wow, amazing. “Think wrong” … are you actually a Maoist or or do you just sound like one?
Who were these white men doing all that sexual harassment and assault? Please name a few. You seem so informed on this matter, should be easy for you.
Otherwise you are simply throwing up a straw honky to excuse Emmett Till’s criminal conduct. What happened to him was wrong and awful, and the white men who did it should have faced stiff punishment, IMHO, but that does not change the fact that Till started it all with his criminal conduct.
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“You are quibbling over “deeply”
Hahaha! You should drop the thinly stretched attempt at superiority just try to be more precise with your words (if you are capable of it). “DEEPLY RACIST” is a rather clumsy thought, which is why you should not have let it tumble from the depths of your clumsy mind in the first place. 🙂
“Who were these white men doing all that sexual harassment and assault? “
So then… you are looking for a list of men from the 1950s who slapped their secretaries on the rump and made inappropriate advances? You’re right… that probably never happened… or if it did, they probably lynched the guys who did it and ripped off their faces.
“Otherwise you are simply throwing up a straw honky to excuse Emmett Till’s criminal conduct. “
Hahaha great … so when a child is killed by adults and never gets a trial, then you assume the dead child to be guilty of the crimes based on the accounts of the very people who kidnapped and killed him. I ask you, do you realize how stupid that sounds, or are you trying to be entertaining?
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I don’t shuck-n-jive, I leave that to your team. You’re better at it. Must be genetic.
Knew you couldn’t name any.
The straw honky trick works on some people, but not this honky.
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I think my point is made then.
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But for those following along (if any) notice how this dullard tries constantly to divert the attention from the actual atrocity.
Observe how, no matter how often I return to the murdered and disfigured child, he continues to place the onus upon the murdered victim himself… or else upon proving that any White men slapped a White woman’s butt in 1955, or any other nonsense that he can invent. Anything will do to quickly skip over the real subject at hand.
The murder of Emmett Till
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@ King:
Exactly! These two White guys admitted it because they knew they wouldn’t be charged with the same crime twice. Cowards, they are. Two grown men gruesomely killed a child. Yes, a CHILD! Somehow this fact goes over Mencken’s head.
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Mencken: “I’m sure you think nearly all white people circa 1955 were deeply racist, when most were simply reflecting the mores of the time.”
Clearly missed the “It was the Times!” post…
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Yes, and George Wallace was not trying to defend Jim Crow but “maintain the status quo”, as they teach in Texas.
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Mencken said:
I have:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/04/03/black-rape-statistics/
Vastly more white men rape white women than black men. Should every accusation against them also be instantly believed? Or are there special rules for white men?
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You are, again, funny.
Nice to see you have deleted “offensive” postings.
Just another day in BRA!
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Kinda hard to have a debate when the HNIC keeps deleting my posts.
Free speech … not so much!
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And of course there is an obvious lapse of logic in Mencken’s “thinking.”
He is choosing to believe the account of events from the very same people who admitted to kidnapping Emmett from his relative’s home in the middle of the night. So these men had just admitted to committing a felony kidnapping that was linked to the murder of a juvenile, but their word is still to be believed?
Ask yourself what law school Mencken attended?
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“Free speech … not so much!”
Which article of the Constitution does freedom of blog speech come under, genius?
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Georgetown, actually.
And you?
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[…] or my kind. Oscar Grant is one of the many blacks that have been unfairly killed; do you remember Emmet Till, Christopher Foster, Aiyana Jones, and the countless […]
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I’m sorry I do not understand English
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Actually, this goes back to some of the comments I read. “Black people tell the truth, and white people tell false” or whatever it was I read in the earlier comment. Documenteries and stories from back in the days that I read and seen, it was the white folk, that always did false stories or accusations, and it really pisses me off to see how ignorant they acted back in the day. Now if you look up the N word (referring to a black person), it means ignorant, not black but ignorant. So you tell me who was ignorant. Now Im not racsist. But looking back at this stuff, going all the way back to the slave days, it really makes me sick to my stomach, it almost makes me want to hate the race that is on this earth who thinks they right because they are white. But that is not right. The stuff people did a long time ago was wrong. But it isnt fair to the good white people now days. But at the same time other races are holding a grudge because of the ignorant stuff that was done a long time ago. Now again I am not racist. My Best friend is white, and is the bestest friend I ever had. But like I said even to people like her, who doesnt have a racist or ignorant bone in her body, it isnt fair to people like her. But back to reality. Nobody is truth or false. But just going back to all the racist movies and stories it seems like the white folk did lie alot.
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and not saying that this lady int he emmit till story lyed, there is PROBABLY some truth to her story. But to another comment, the 2 guys that murdered emmit have cancer or something, that goes to show that karma is real. What goes around comes around, and that the cancer was just the first part of their pety lives, on earth, because we all are on earth for temperary, but where we go next is forever………
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If I could make some observations:
From what I’ve read (roughly 5 or six articles as well as the wikipedia page, for what it is worth), it seems to me that Emmett had a stutter that would cause him to whistle, I think what transpired between Emmett and Carolyn was a simple misunderstanding. Emmett was from up North, where social norms where very different (I think he proudly carried a photo of his white girlfriend for all to see), so he was probably more comfortable around white women because of that climate, and maybe what happened was he accidently whistled in her direction (maybe as he was talking to her) and sort of shrugged it off or maybe even childishly flirted a little (like calling her pretty or something, nothing obscene), he was allegedly a charismatic young boy, as the age of 14 it’s still pretty cute when guys (politely/coyeshly) flirt with adults). Regardless, I’m sure a subconcious barrier was breached, because witnesses saw Carolyn run for her gun (so apparently there was some sort of dilemma, at least in her mind). Maybe in hindsight, it seemed silly to her, and embarrassed, she exaggerated her story to cover her embarressment (we know she was lying because her stories kept changing so drastically). Or maybe she simply was not used to a black gentleman (he was said to be tall for his age, maybe she mistakened him for an adult?) even making eye contact with her, so having been indoctrinated all her life to see black males as threatening, she genuinely seemed to react fearfully.
If it weren’t for the eyewitness accounts of her running to her car to grab a pistol, I might lean to the other side and say maybe, based on the attitudes of her husband and his friends (as well as Jim Crow South), she didn’t like him being so bold about having white friends and fabricated the entire incident knowing he’d get a beating next time he showed up. But the fact that she ran for her gun makes me think that, at the time, she genuinely thought she was being threatened. Over time (there was a decent sized gap of time before her husband returned home) it became over exaggerated in her mind. As a woman, I’m always very hesitant to call a woman an outright liar who claims a form of assault , and too me, at the time she seemed distressed. However, I can’t really buy that a fourteen year old boy of apparent African lineage in the fifties would be so bold as to grab her hips and shout obscenities to a woman, particularly a white woman. (expecially since a white man could have walked in at any moment). I know he was from Chicago, which as stated before, appeared more relaxed, but that sort of behavior would have gotten him in severe trouble even up North. I think there were actually laws against swearing around women (I believe fines would result).
Of course I know a lot was made from the character of his father. I can’t seem to find whether or not there is any credeance to the charges made against him. I’m sure some would argue that there may have been some bad behavior learned from his father. I can’t debate that (I simply don’t know enough about it) but from what I have read, it didn’t seem to fit in with the character of Emmett. So it seems more likely that there was a misunderstanding that got out of hand (at least to me). It most likely stemmed from being a clash of cultures or the result of his stutter/whistle.
I found this story particularly touching because of the youths age and the brutality of the crimes. For the record, I’m white. I’m actually shocked though that there was any sort of trial to begin with. Most of my family resides and came from the South, and I’ve heard plenty of stories about the cruelty of the Jim Crow era, but I have to say, I have observed acts of kindness from relatives toward former black servants/caregivers (from the 40s, 50s, and 60s, when they were employed), and have never truly heard of them being considered anything less than human.
Now to rant:
I have to say, I keep finding it particularly disturbing visiting forum after forum, blog after blog on this case, and hearing such crass generalizations to whites, both then and now. What really ticks me off, is the declaration that whites can’t empathize with injustice or cruelty to blacks. But when we DO express sympathy, or try to understand and right wrongs, we (as whites) are told we are suffering from “white guilt” and are subconciously selfish. Which is it? Many are (and have since the fifties and long before) have/are trying to help correct the wrongs of the past, and as basic HUMAN BEINGS, understand and desire to end the suffering. But many are reluctant when we (whitey) are CONSTANTLY told we are to blame, we are evil, we always have been, we are all apart of the “U.S. of KKK.” That breeds frustration and resentment, and it needs to be stopped. What needs to happen is to acknowledge the past (in all its forms, both good and bad, let the truth of the past push forward future progress) and work together to grow and learn. We may be moving slowly toward progress, but just the fact that we do have a bi-racial president who was not only nominated but won, does speak volumes. I know that by saying that, I’m not erasing history or automatically assuming that we are living in a post-racial America (America is, in reality, divided in more ways than one) but it is GENUINE progress, the kind that was absolutely unimaginable in the 1950s! I don’t doubt, that if Emmett had lived to see this he would have joined many in tears of joy, just at the possibility of it. I’d like to walk away from this tragedy thinking that it’s one of life’s cruel lessons, that often tragedy and sacrifice comes (seemingly a requirement at times) before progress. That doesn’t excuse what happened to Emmett. He should be alive today, having a chance to do something with his life. He may have done great things had he had the oppritunity to become an adult. And I weep for his mother. No parent should have to lose a child in such an awful way. But because I’m white, I am sure I will be told that I can’t “truly” sympathize. But I’ll admit to being white, and witnessing the effects of “white priviledge,” which is extensive in some areas. As a woman, I’ve also experienced discrimination in many areas, which suprisingly people blow off as me just being a “sensitive” feminist. Just viewing a certain parties picks for political presidential contenders scares me, it’s shocking how open they are about their bigotry (when it comes to race, sex, sexuality, religion/lack of, and class differences, I’m appalled at their viewpoints). It’s like they don’t try to hide it anymore! I think its become acceptable because of the divisions that are still in place by a broken (though slowly mending) system. But if we continue the division, we will eventually regress back, because we can easily be picked apart, and being turned on one another will guarentee that the divisions will never be mended.
Except for a certain political party, I don’t think anyone is really asking people to “get over” or “forget” what people like Emmett and his mother endured (I’m certainly not, it was a long and scary time for anyone not a white male christian, and expecially for blacks and native americans). I think it’s great that this story is still told and promoted. Victims of horrible crimes like Emmett should not be forgotten, and his story is expecially important because of its political/social message. He is a reminder at how bad things can get if we regress (which I’m seeing heavily in certain states and political circles).
Anyway, those are my thoughts. I appoligize for rambling and any grammer/spelling eras that has occurred. If you read all through this, thanks for hearing me out.
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@Jessa
Apologies to all if this does not come out clearly – I have tried to italicise the comments and embolden to ensure that the writings from the commenters are easily identifiable.
You start off by saying it seems to me that Emmett had a stutter that would cause him to whistle, I think what transpired between Emmett and Carolyn was a simple misunderstanding.
This is a HUGE understatement IMO Jessa.
Emmett was from up North, where social norms where very different (I think he proudly carried a photo of his white girlfriend for all to see), so he was probably more comfortable around white women because of that climate, and maybe what happened was he accidently whistled in her direction (maybe as he was talking to her) and sort of shrugged it off or maybe even childishly flirted a little (like calling her pretty or something, nothing obscene), he was allegedly a charismatic young boy, as the age of 14 it’s still pretty cute when guys (politely/coyeshly) flirt with adults).
I’m confused, what does him carrying a photo of his so called White Girlfriend around have to do with this story unless you are trying to say that he showed it to the accuser and taunted her with it in some way? Even if he did, it shows how fragile things were there for BP that she could take this as an affront to her dignity as a WW being put upon her by a young BM.
Regardless, I’m sure a subconcious barrier was breached, because witnesses saw Carolyn run for her gun (so apparently there was some sort of dilemma, at least in her mind).
There was no ‘subconcious barrier’ Jessa, there was a very real and definitive WALL but unfortunately the ‘rules’ differed dependent on race/class etc. Also, laid out in the way you have here, what an earth could cause a female to run out to her car and grab her gun, particularly if there were witnesses around so she wasn’t in an isolated area i.e. out alone walking home in the night, and not just ask for help instead? During the era that this awful murder happened, this WW would have to do very little before WP would come to her aid – particularly if there was a BP involved. I’m not saying you are wrong in the main about WP and their fear of BP though. I sense that many WP are continually fearful of an ‘uprising’ from BP, particularly those who are mindful of all that has gone on before and are sorry that things couldn’t have remained that way.
Maybe in hindsight, it seemed silly to her, and embarrassed, she exaggerated her story to cover her embarressment (we know she was lying because her stories kept changing so drastically). Or maybe she simply was not used to a black gentleman (he was said to be tall for his age, maybe she mistakened him for an adult?) even making eye contact with her, so having been indoctrinated all her life to see black males as threatening, she genuinely seemed to react fearfully.
Even if she did create a story to cover her embarrassment she would have known the severe implications of this. It was extremely irresponsible and the only outcome would have been a horrible consequence for the accused. Also, even if she did mistake him for an adult initially, I’m pretty sure that by the time she circulated her accusations she would have been made aware of the fact that he was a teenager. BTW, WP did not fear BP per se as BP were/are powerless to do anything either defend themselves. ‘No justice – Just us’. IMO It is naïve to presume that this would have been the case at this time, don’t forget, The ideas for Civil Rights Acts were still in their infancy. BP were not equal to WP and the punishments and penalties doled out at the time reflected this. Living in the U.S and having family from the South, you must know this far better than I do even if you are not keen acknowledge this.
Over time (there was a decent sized gap of time before her husband returned home) it became over exaggerated in her mind. As a woman, I’m always very hesitant to call a woman an outright liar who claims a form of assault , and too me, at the time she seemed distressed.
The emboldend comment at the end makes it sound as though you were there!
I found this story particularly touching because of the youths age and the brutality of the crimes. For the record, I’m white. I’m actually shocked though that there was any sort of trial to begin with.
I would be MORE interested in your take on WHY the woman lied i.e. perhaps she was secretley charmed by Emmett and was terrified she would be found out for having ‘mucky thoughts’ about a POC. Also what are your thoughts on the perpetrators of this cowardly act?
Most of my family resides and came from the South, and I’ve heard plenty of stories about the cruelty of the Jim Crow era, but I have to say, I have observed acts of kindness from relatives toward former black servants/caregivers (from the 40s, 50s, and 60s, when they were employed), and have never truly heard of them being considered anything less than human.
I guess you would have to ask the said black servants/caregivers whether when they were in the employ of your family if they ever felt like they were treated as anything less than human. I don’t think this is your intention at all but, unfortunately Jessa your post thus far, smacks of desperation:-
Desperation to justify a so called ‘misunderstanding’ that resulted in a brutal murder of an adolescent
Desperation based on mere supposition to absolve the accuser of responsibility for her part as an instigator in the murder of Emmett
Desperation to downplay the situation that was very real and harsh in terms of how BP were treated by White society and how strongly this was implemented in the South
Desperation to act like you have not benefited from a system that discriminates people based on the colour of their skin or where they are from in the world.
Maybe you didn’t mean it to come across that way but, your whole commentary on the Emmett Till case comes across as a poor apologist argument in support of why that Woman accused Emmett of doing something that so called, made her feel threatened, and not acknowledging how this was played out i.e. his brutal murder. In the case of Emmett Tills accuser, it seems that what you are saying is that her perception of his intention was potentially skewed. I must say, in the first few paragraphs of your post, your stance is not clear either and could be open to misinterpretation (as I may have done). My example here by the way, is something I would potentially label a ‘misunderstanding’ as this doesn’t leave an indelible mark on you as an individual – not ‘lies’/half truths that led to the slaying of an individual.
That doesn’t excuse what happened to Emmett. He should be alive today, having a chance to do something with his life. He may have done great things had he had the oppritunity to become an adult. And I weep for his mother. No parent should have to lose a child in such an awful way.
Agree with you here 100%
As a woman, I’ve also experienced discrimination in many areas
I can appreciate this too.
Victims of horrible crimes like Emmett should not be forgotten, and his story is expecially important because of its political/social message. He is a reminder at how bad things can get if we regress (which I’m seeing heavily in certain states and political circles).
Absolutely. I am intrigued, where do you see the regression taking place? Maybe you could get involved in some of the other posts on here as some people think that this is an exaggeration on the part of some of the American commenter’s on here.
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I think the fact that Mrs Till forgave them was a sure sign of the type of forgiveness that God is talking about. The same kind of forgiveness he gave us when Jesus died on the cross. I pray that I would have that type of forgiveness in my heart.
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That is what happened in Tulsa on black wall street in 1921 because someone supposedly whistled at a white women
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[…] Emmett Till’s photo from 1955, showing him as the young naive boy he appears to be in this novel: from https://abagond.wordpress.com […]
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1955. Oh the good old days
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Reblogged this on … but I digress.
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It was 57 years ago yesterday when Emmett Till was taken by evil doers. He would’ve been 70. RIP Mr. Till.
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A Gathering Of Waters is a beautiful and harsh account of fiction juxtaposed by black historical facts. I loved reading that book this past summer. I wonder if that awful Carolyn Dunham conscience is eating at her. But then again demons have no conscience.
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I meant Carolyn Bryant. That foul witch.
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The first time I saw Emmet Till I picture I was in an all white class in Chicago in the 80’s. I am pretty sure it was in 5th grade and there I sat in a cold sweat looking around not wanting to cry infront of those kids. I really wanted to, I was shaking but I force myself to stop because I knew those kids were going to make fun of it. The teacher even asked me how I felt (infront of the whole class); how I felt couldn’t be express with all those kids around waiting to taunt me. So I said, It is wise to know where you are. I tried to say it as dead as possible I was plenty scared.
Emmet Till’s picture hurt me to the bone and left a scar on my soul, he was a fellow Chicagoian. I went home went to bed early and cried for hours his picture seared into my brain. It made me realize, even as cautious as I thought I was being I needed to make sure I was more. It made me think I wanted to protect my little sister from this experience. Yet, you cannot 100% protect against bad things. It was also the first time I thought about carrying a recorder around because I had to take public transportation and then walk to my school (Because the school bus wouldn’t come into my area) because cops would regularly harass me and my sister. I wanted proof I still believed that the law would work if you had enough proof, I know naive.
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That is a powerful statement the open casket serving as a reminder of what hatred was in the deep south. America needed to see that image of that poor young man, his features mangled from hateful southern racist monsters. That image is was and is still today etched in the mind of Americans from the 1950’s to today.
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I am not sure if was is the right verb there Mary. I’ve worked in the South and think that dragon isn’t close to being slayed.
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So sad. My little brother is the same age as Emmit Till when he died.
Emmett Till’s death was very sad and heartbreaking. In fact, I couldn’t sleep thinking of how badly deformed his corpse looked.
Carolyn Dunham is a wicked woman. She sure will get what is coming to her.
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@Jessa
Honestly it is nice to hear from you although I know you wouldn’t truly understand me as a young, Black teenage girl or my experiences.
I live in a small Forrestt Gump like town and most of the Whites in my town are racist. Don’t get me wrong, I know NOT all Whites are racist
but majority of the ones in NOcala are(nickname for Ocala).
I really wish we can all get rid of the racism and sexism that plagues on our society as a whole. We have made some progress as in the Black community but we have a long way to go before we are economically, politically and socially at the same level as Whites and are treated the same as Whites in America. I know I sound naive because of my age but I think we can do it.
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@ King of Trouble: You are right. I was struggling with that sentence. But you are right there are still many with this sick mind set. I forgot about the poor man that got dragged to death not so long ago in a Texas town. There are many monsters and demons that still live that have not been slain.
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@ Adeen; I made a mistake the white woman that lied on Emmitt Till was Carolyn Bryant not Carolyn Dunham.
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@ Mary Burrell, no problem. I use to say WAS all the time, till I worked down South. I grew up in the KKK back yard of my city in Chicago and even I was shook. When I worked there it was first time a cop called me boy. I hadn’t done anything he pulled me over and told me of trying hard to scare the beejezus out of me. With recorder in hand I went to the police station to report the harassment. (I will never learn.) All of a sudden this cop as a black sister-n-law so it wasn’t meant to be racist. Hmmm.
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So some of sentences have gone to pot. “I hadn’t done anything but he pulled me over and told me I was driving too slow, and then tried hard to scare the beejezus out of me.”
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This 1000000000 Types of Sad… When I saw The Movie About Him About 5 Years Ago, I Had Nightmares About His Death. RIP Emmitt Till!! You Didnt Know Because You Wasn’t From Down Here, but Let The Men That Did That To You Rot in Hell!! Str8 Up Folk!!
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If it was true that Till harassed that woman in any way, then I can understand the blind rage that led her husband to murder. If I witnessed my wife or daughter being harassed in any way I’m afraid I would have dropped him in his tracks right then and there. I don’t condone murder, but a sure way to find trouble is to disrespect anyone’s family, especially a woman on her own without a means of protecting herself. Growing up in my neighborhood in Brooklyn NY, our parents taught us right from wrong and keeping our nose clean, and as a 14 year old I NEVER would have thought of disrespecting a woman, white, black, or green.
Respect breeds respect, and disrespect breeds trouble, I don’t care whether it’s 1955 Mississippi or 2013 anywhere.
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[…] There are also other ones who showed the way with their lives but never imagined we’d remember them today with so much affection and sadness: Treyvon Martin, George Stinney, and Emmet Till. […]
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[…] Emmett Till (1955) – his two killers, white, were charged but not convicted. […]
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[…] my boy.” Thousands came to the viewing, delaying the funeral three days. Jet magazine printed close-up photos of Emmett in the […]
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I have known about Emmett Till for a long time but I had never seen what those wicked men did to that beautiful young man. I am shaking now with rage and there are tears in my eyes. I’m glad there is a God and that there is justice in the universe.
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I have known about this childs brutal death for many years. In fact in January this year 2015 i sent a recorded delivery letter to the white house asking why there was no tribute to this this beautiful boy who was murdered by these sub human imbeciles. I never recieved a reply and l know they received it.Carolyn Bryant instigated his murder and should be held to account even in the 21st century. Mrs Till died without ever getting justice for her boy, she wrote countless times to President Eisenhour and never ever got any response. I suppose the having the vote from the south was more important than the brutal murder of this child. Also, why does America never acknowledge that Rosa Parks thought of Emmett Till that day on the bus and she dug her heels in further and remained seated. I am surprised no one has ever murdered Carolyn Bryant, but what life has she had when she has to keep herself hidden and protected by her son. Carolyn Bryant has no respect in this world, certainly not in the way MrsTill has been given the utmost respect for what she has gone through and her unconditional forgiveness to the scum who murdered her only child. RIP BEAUTIFUL BOY. I would have been proud to have you as my son.
Letitia Jarvis
Scotland UK.
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Emmett Till died 60 years ago today. RIP.
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Rest in Peace Emmett Till.
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RIP, Emmet Till.
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The current administration’s DOJ has reopened Emmett Till’s case.
WHAT!
Does anyone have any more information regarding what this is about?
The DOJ is reopening the investigation of Emmett Till’s death. Will its findings mean anything?
The Trump administration’s handling of civil rights issues is prompting skepticism.
(https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/7/12/17565464/emmett-till-case-reopened-justice-department)
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Emmitt Till would have been 79 years old today. May he Rest In Peace.
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On this day today in 1955 Emmitt Till was abducted and vicious and savagely murdered. May he Rest In Peace.🕊🙏🏿
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65 years ago today twelve men acquitted the killers of Emmett Till.
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Did any of you hear about Quawan Charles from Lousiana? It’s still unclear what exactly happened but some people are saying there are shades of Emmett Till.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/12/quawan-charles-death/
I think it’s really strange, in the first instance, to take a minor from his home without his parents’ knowledge or permission then, furthermore, to allow that minor to escape your supervision without seeing to his return home. That’s at least negligent. It’s really sad for the child and his parents because it really did not end well even if the Irvins did not deliberately hurt him.
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There is a gofundme page set up for the family to have an independent autopsy done.
BE WARNED:
There are graphic photos of both Till and Charles on the page.
Charles has a gash on his forehead and pieces of his upper and lower lips seem to be missing.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/26s4fjvluo
You have to suspect the people who last saw him alive, and the police seem a bit too content to look away from them.
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Saw most of ‘women of the movement’ last night. I was initially dismissive of the counseling offered during the credits but 4-5 episodes in, it was very heavy viewing.
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took a while, but here’s the pushback:
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=63211
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Abagond, why the uncharacteristic silence re. the fusillade of Mr. Jayland Walker?
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/07/14/opinion/heres-proof-against-carolyn-bryant-donham-emmett-till-case-is-it-enough-convict-her/
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