Vincent Chin (1955-1982) was a Chinese American hunted down and beaten to death by two White American men because they were thrown out of work due to the success of Japanese car companies – even though they knew he was Chinese, not Japanese. The white judge fined them $3000 each and gave them three years’s probation.
They never served a day in jail.
As the judge put it:
These weren’t the kind of men you send to jail… You don’t make the punishment fit the crime; you make the punishment fit the criminal.
And:
We’re talking here about a man who’s held a responsible job with the same company for 17 or 18 years and his son, who is employed and a part time student. These men are not going to go out and harm somebody else. I just didn’t think that putting them in prison would do any good for them or society
He was surprised at the outcry at his sentence.
Chin’s wife-never-to-be said:
I never committed a crime in my life. Does that mean I could kill and get away with it?
It brought Asian Americans together as never before. The protests led to a federal civil rights trial – but only because Chin was an American citizen. After a trial and an appeal both men were cleared of all charges.
His mother sued them for the loss of her son’s income and services. As her only son he was expected to support her in her old age. She won $30 a week from one and $200 a month from the other.
On June 19th 1982, on the night in question, Chin was at the Fancy Pants strip joint in Detroit with three friends: Robert Sirosky, Gary Koivu and Jimmy Choi. Chin was getting married in a week and they were celebrating. Chin was 27 and worked as an industrial draughtsman.
Also at the bar were Ronald Ebens and his stepson, Michael Nitz. Ebens had been laid off by Chrysler three years before. When he saw Chin he said:
It’s because of you little motherfuckers that we’re out of work.
He called him a “nip” and a “chink”. A fight broke out. They were thrown out of the bar.
They continued their fight in the parking lot. When Ebens got his baseball bat from his car, Chin and Choi ran off.
Ebens and Nitz hunted them down. They gave a man $20 to find out where they went, saying they were looking for a “Chinese guy”, talking about “busting his head”.
About a half hour later they found Chin and Choi at a parking lot near a McDonald’s. Choi was able to get away, but Nitz caught Chin in a bear hug. When Chin broke free, Ebens ran him down, hitting him several times on the back and head, cracking his skull.
Chin said, “It’s not fair” and slipped into a coma. Four days later he was dead.
His wedding became his funeral.
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A great example of the american racism at work. Did they get rid of that judge? I mean, what he did was against the law, was it?
“You don’t make the punishment fit the crime; you make the punishment fit the criminal.”
That, I think, is against what we all understand by the law. The punishments are designed precisely to fit to the crime. And once the crime is done, the doer is a criminal. And once you kill a person, you have become a killer, a murderer in this case because this was not an accidental death in some scuffle.
They decided to get those guys and had a weapon. That is intentional. That is planning and executing the plan. That is a murder, not unvoluntary manslaughter.
And more so, this was a race motivated murder.
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That judge’s logic is just outright scary and this was in the 80’s! Every way you turn it, it’s a bunch of evil inexcusable crap. That’s that lynching mentality right there, one yellow man was as good as another, somebody just had to pay because you’re angry? The fact that these guys didn’t seem to have a healthy fear of the “long arm of the law” for doing something like oh I dunno hunting someone down and beating them viciously, causing fatal injuries says a lot.
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It’s a sickening crime. I was living in Detroit at the time. You probably cannot overstate the anti-Asian sentiment that infused Detroit and its culture. You wouldn’t dare drive a Toyota or Datsun car in many places — you risked having your car smashed to pieces by baseball bats. Etc. Vincent Chin was a highly visible crime, largely because of its highly unjust outcome, but it was only one of many anti-Asian crimes committed in Detroit in that epoch, and the criminals committing them were both black and white.
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This is why I hate judges. They interpret anything and everything into their own personal opinions.
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Disgusting and despicable; both the crime itself, and the lack of punishment for the murderers. Judges and/or juries seem to be the main reasons that true justice will never see the light of day – personal bias always wins out.
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Abagond:
Asians are thought of as honorary white people, specifically those who hail from China, Korea, and Japan. Is that really the case? If the victim had been an asian female of Chinese ancestry, would the verdict have been different? A lot of whitemen are in relationships with asian women, It’s something to think about.
Tyrone
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This sorry case highlights how the system works. Not only does the cultural substrate provide the basis for such mob action but the institutions often condone it while attempting to maintain an illusion of justice.
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Does anyone see how ludacris this is not only because they targeted the wrong ethnicity (Chin was Chinese not Japanese) but that the reason eastern vehicles were selling better than American ones was because…American people were buying them!! Being generous lets’ assume the population was 80% white…it would have meant the majority (white people) were the ones with the buying power causing the result. What a despicable verdict! It makes me livid when I hear people say “America has succeeded because God has blessed our morals and Chrisitan actions!” I don’t even have the strength to begin to explain how ridiculous that is on so many levels.
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My God.
There were so many things wrong with this aside from the murder. This is undeniable proof of how racist the injustice system is. I know if the races were reversed the “judge” wouldn’t have been as lenient or forgiving.
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Oh, Good grief. So reminiscent of the lynchings in the south where they beat, shot, hung black men with impunity. It was not justice that those horrible “men” got off so easily.
Acts like this come directly out of the type of scapegoating the neocons favor. I am so disgusted and saddened. I barely have words.
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The judge in this case was Charles Kaufman. He was known for giving out light sentences to first-time offenders, not just white ones but black ones too, like Greg Mathis. Partly due to Kaufman’s mercy Mathis was able to turn a new leaf and in time become a judge himself. He is best known as the Judge Mathis on American television.
Unlike most judges, Kaufman himself had once been a prisoner – in a Japanese prison camp during the Second World War.
Kaufman believed that Chin’s death was an accident, that Ebens and Nitz meant to “punish” Chin but not kill him outright. Partly this was because they were drunk at the time, leading to errors in judgement. Partly because they had never been in trouble with the law before.
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By the way, the bit about “These men are not going to go out and harm somebody else” is very much like what the judge said at first about James Craig Anderson’s alleged killer, Deryl Dedmon. He was not locked up right away since he was not seen as a danger.
I agree with Gen and poetess that this was pretty much a lynching, from the racist scapegoating to the law turning a blind eye to the horror of it. That cultural template was already in place, allowing events to unfold as they did.
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This whole post makes me sick to my very soul! 😦
2 men got away with murder! I hate to use the term ”racist” but this just screams it.
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BTW, today’s overturning of the Amanda Knox verdict in Italy provides an interesting contrast to this post (and the Troy Davis execution).
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I remembered reading about Vincent several months . No matter how this judge justified it, it was a hate crime and it was very sick.
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It’s interesting to note that the Asian-American community wasn’t a cohesive unit until Vincent Chin’s murder. At the time, Asian-Americans of different ethnicities were only involved/interested in issues that occured within their respective communities. Mr. Chin’s death changed all that and brought all Asian-Americans together.
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Btw, when the murder of Mr. Chin happened, my mother became quite cautious. She made a living as a sewing machine operator and she told me a lot of the white people were grumbling because her company started to hire immigrant sewing machine operators with a lot of experience.
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I remember first reading about him way back on the 44s
http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2004/04/04/where-are-you-vincent-chin/
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since I believe its a total joke that abagond is going back to the 80s to spew his “I hate white people” rants I have a video joke for you
enjoy
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now you can turn that frown upsidown abagond
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Dave,
Why do you think it’s a total joke that Abagond goes back to the 80’s to bring up this tragic crime? Furthermore, why do you think he hates white people? I’m curious as to how you and others like you think the way you do.
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@ Brothawolf
Dave and many of the white people who occasionally come to this site never want to discuss race honestly because they know what they say, think and feel among themselves in the “White Chamber”. Therefore anything Abagond writes about is racist. Come on now am sure there are many racist incidents we can pull up TODAY on non-white people just because he chose this story does not mean he reaching ‘far back’ (the 80’s is not that far BTW).
I may not agree with some wording by Abagond in some posts (that could do with the fact am African and I do not experience white racism on a personal level) but his premise makes sense to me 100% of the time
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@brothawolf, malakia et all:
Well Dave here does not like the fact that nasty things happened way back when. He also reveals his youth by saying ” I believe its a total joke that abagond is going back to the 80s to spew his “I hate white people” rants”. I was living in USA back in the 80’s as a young adult and that was not so long ago.
And the crazy thing is this, Dave: similar kind of things happened in 1880’s too! Yeah, really! And they still do!! Doesn’t that make you think, like, what the F is going on here? No? Okay…
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@Dear Derailing Dave,
Why oh why must you insist on taking this blind route down the old ‘Abagond hates white people’ rant!!!!
You seem to refuse to see from the example that yet another miscarriage of justice had occured and yet another failure of the justice system has been revealed which has unfortunately perpetuated throughout the years. This and cases like it are NOT isolated incidents Dave.
Instead of taking this post and other’s like it as a personal slight against white humanity, look at the heart of the matter – a non-white man was slain by 2 guys in what they confessed was a racially motivated crime yet, they were not held to account for this. WHY WAS THIS/IS THIS STILL ABLE TO HAPPEN???
Yet you bleat on about the fact that discussing this is racism toward whites! I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here – surely you are not that deluded?
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@ Dave:
Right, next year 1982 officially slips into what white people call Ancient History. You got to give me credit for beating the deadline on this one, however narrowly.
It is not like this stuff has stopped:
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Malkia, Sam,
I know. However, sometimes I want Dave or anyone else like him directly even though 9 times out of 10, they will show up and disappear quickly leaving their one or two sentences trying to derail an entire blog. And I know that even though some will respond, they may try to derail more and more turning their presence into mere entertainment.
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yeah but you guys never said if my video was funny or not.
my point is that “individual” black people beat and hurt and kill white people more often then the other way around . and the beating of asians at the hands of whites because of “a racist turf war’ is very rare.
But even though some of the families of the white victims fall into the “see look at these bad black people” mentality. –it is frowned upon. in my opinion. but when the hateful white retaliates its seems ok to blame all people with light skin. according to the “popular” opinion
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@ dave
Have you ever worked out logically why that statistic is so?
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soooooooooooooo even though I think this story is terrible, and If you knew me you would know I feel bad hurting insects. I think that It is outdated and I think that the mainstream media shys away from young whites getting beaten because of thier skin presently more than others.
I think that the only time you do hear about anti white violence is on youtube and it gets dismissed because skinhead groups (who have no respect amoung civil rights groups) jump on the stories and they get no legitimate press when stories like this still get play 30 years later.
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there are alot of reasons king. but it needs to stop and at least where I live in philly most of the whites are irish, italian, german, polish, greek immigrants just looking to feed thier families like the next guy
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Dave,
…And those reasons are…
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part of it is robbery and easy targets, some of it is young kids who have the wrong ideas of people just like the two white guys in this story
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@dave: Nobody here is saying that it is wonderful that black guys are beating up white guys, doing muggings and robberies. But what we try to say is this: racist crimes have happened, happen, and that is a Fkin shame.
Now, what do you think would happen if two black guys would say out loud: Lets get some honkeys, we gonna fk some whitey! And then they would go out, meet total strangers and beat one to death with a baseball bat. You think a judge would say: These guys are not a threat to nobody, they were just frustrated because the whites are taking all the managing level jobs from the blacks.
“These men are not going to go out and harm somebody else. I just didn’t think that putting them in prison would do any good for them or society.”
You think any judge would say that of two black guys who just had killed a white guy? And let them walk? Did that ever happen? Why not? I mean, there are lots of understandable reasons for blacks to be frustrated enough to go out and kill white men for venting their frustrations. Then why not let them walk away from murder just like these two?
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Dave I hate white people who are racist .Whites will attempt to call blacks racist but racism is white supremacy . Only whites can practice racism . Whites have tried to seperate the 2 words .Same thing with the term race card . Whites in their arrogance will accuse blacks of playing the race card .Whites people invented the race card when they decided to enslave people based on color, when they called black people 3/5 human , Whites invented Jim Crow . The Prison Industry , Whites will attact the nation of Islam for calling for seperation yet they practiced it for hundreds of years . Whites invented sundown towns that still exist today . White people stole all the land from The People here in North America and called them savages . White men raped more women and girls of color than anyone on the planet. Every day we get reports of their wickedness. The problem Dave has is that deep down he does not like what he sees. You can talk about blacks acting out now. Basically who did they learn from? Who did blacks observe and imitate as the most violent creature on the planet? White men. Who burned humans alive and bought their families from church to watch. Who raped little black girls as young as 5 ? White men . Your animals and untill you change you deserve to be hated.
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Meant attack not attact. Dave and others like him cannot be reasoned with. They will be removed from this planet by God himself. God is not partial and he will not forever be sllent as they have perverted his word to kill millions .
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you know why you can’t reason with me on this issue , because look at the stance you took. your house is built on the foundation of a lie. and mine is strong. but don’t bring god into it I am a deeply spiritual person and just because I’m white doesn’t mean you can do what you did. try doing that to a religious jew or a muslim and see how they act. well don’t ever tell me what is between me and god.
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@sam it is terrible what the judge in this case did. my point is when you shed light on a case from 1982 it just seems to me that you are forcing a racist agenda to justify your own hate of white society.
just my opinion. it doesn’t mean I agree with the murderers which is what at least the one was who kept hitting the man or the judge. I am saying what is going on right now in 2011 is “flash mobs” for the fun of beating white people is being ignored in my opinion
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Dave,
Blogs like this isn’t for white people’s comfort. You are just trying to escape from the reality and truth that white people commit violent crimes against POC anywhere at anytime. You can’t face up to that truth because you’ve been conditioned to think that white people are basically good. And you do this by pointing out that black-on-white crimes happen more often trying to shift away from the topic.
That part about how the flash mob thing is ignored is absurd. It was all over the news. It was one of the most circulated topics of the summer, and you’re in here crying that it’s not getting enough attention. Puh-lease!
Dave, you know what this subject is about and yet, you stay here trying to get it to where it satisfies you by victimizing white people. That’s a self-serving attitude. You don’t care about Vincent Chin’s murder or any other murder of POC committed by whites. All you care about are white vicitms who are killed by POC, mostly blacks. I doubt you even care about white-on-white crimes because that shatters your white supremacist mentality. I mean whites killing other whites? That’s crazy. It doesn’t happen very often in your little world. SMH.
Until you realize that the lives of POC are just as valuable as whites, you will not get any support from here. White lives are valued all the time in the mainstream and local news. Don’t come in here or any other anti-racist blog crying about white victims.
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Also Dave,
Don’t tell us the obvious and tell us it’s terrible what the judge did, and then go into an anti-white tirade. This actually happened, and murders like this are still happening. Like I said, you don’t give a damn about that because it’s all about protecting white people from us nasty POC who are out to destroy you. That’s what it’s all about with you. Deal with it.
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for Dave Blacks make up the most victims of racial hate crimes, Whites make up the biggest offenders
Racial bias
Among the single-bias hate crime incidents in 2009, there were 4,057 victims of racially motivated hate crimes.
71.5 percent were victims because of an offender’s anti-black bias.
16.5 percent were victims because of an anti-white bias.
3.7 percent were victims because of an anti-Asian/Pacific Islander bias.
2.1 percent were victims because of an anti-American Indian/Alaskan Native bias.
6.2 percent were victims because of a bias against a group of individuals in which more than one race was represented (anti-multiple races, group)
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/victims.html
By race
In 2009, the racial breakdown of the 6,225 known hate crime offenders was as follows:
62.4 percent were white.
18.5 percent were black.
7.3 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (multiple races, group).
1.0 percent were American Indian/Alaskan Native.
0.7 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander.
10.2 percent were of unknown race.
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/offenders.html
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@ cj-canadian
Thank you.
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brotherwolf I am not the one conditioned you are . the statistics are total bull becuase of the sins of the past which civil rights laws were written
in fact the new federal hate crimes law written by eric holder attorney general is based on “historic groups of victims” not current.
you are purposely ignoring the fact that there are way more white victims of violent crime by black offenders then the other way around
it is totally rediculous that one group gets a free pass for the same crime because of the the history of offenders that happen to share the same melanin content, but are not related to me at all being an irish , italian american immigrant.
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@ cj-canadian
There is a 92.6% chance than Dave will state that those figures include “Hispanic Whites,” and everyone knows that Hispanic White people are not White and should not be counted.
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Well, I was wrong.
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and by the way abagond why do you let people who are black talking about me getting killed off (khalidx)because I don’t agree with him on this blog. no wonder they threw you off before. not cool
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@ Dave:
Divine vengeance does not count as a call to violence.
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@ Dave
Black criminals essentially live in a White society. It would be quite difficult for them not to have contact with Whites—drive through White neighborhoods, deal with White businesses etc.
On the other hand, White criminals do not live in a Black society, and rarely *need* to interact with Blacks interests, unless they specifically choose to do so. As a result, most White criminals are not going to try and find the Black neighborhoods and carry out their crimes there. They also probably won’t be hanging out there and end up committing a crime of opportunity.
However, as soon as the Black criminal leaves his neighborhood, he is more or less in “White territory.” Even so, Black criminals victimize Blacks most of the time and White criminals victimize whites most of the time. However, if Black criminals commit more crimes against Whites, it is because they have greater access, information, and opportunity in white society (being surrounded by it) than is the case with White criminals victimizing Blacks.
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“brotherwolf I am not the one conditioned you are . the statistics are total bull becuase of the sins of the past which civil rights laws were written
in fact the new federal hate crimes law written by eric holder attorney general is based on “historic groups of victims” not current.
you are purposely ignoring the fact that there are way more white victims of violent crime by black offenders then the other way around
it is totally rediculous that one group gets a free pass for the same crime because of the the history of offenders that happen to share the same melanin content, but are not related to me at all being an irish , italian american immigrant.”
Dave,
In other words you don’t deny that you care about white lives if and only if they are victims black crime. You never refuted that.
Cj-canadian listed stats to counter your argument. You haven’t. All you’ve done was repeat yourself over and over again trying to derail the post to suit your desires which is the old “care about us white people” method. The reason why you think the stats are false is because they show something you hate to read.
Dave, in all honesty, man up and say that you hate black people. Be done with it and admit it. Take some accountability that your people have a serious problem against us POC like you’ve been demonstrating in this and other posts. Seriously, it’s getting sad.
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And Dave,
If you care so much about black-on-white crime, here’s a suggestion. Go to blogs like Unamused, Gl Piggy, and Half Sigma. I’m sure you will feel more at home there.
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No you are wrong I don’t hate anyone. I’m just combating the bias on this blog. I do feel that on a blog that is based alot on the negativity of white people I should be allowed to have my points taken seriously. Because I am white. If there was a blog based on “the hearts of black people” and I don’t mean a skin head blog . but a blog such as this where the people come across as being fair.you don’t think there would be a million outraged blacks throwing thier two cents in
I most of the followers of this blog shoud just man up and shave thier heads and make some sort of a black swastica tattoo on thier heads and admit that they are black bigots.
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@dave: Just to put some crime on some perspective here. How many mafia guys you know has been condemned to death by any court? I think the most recent was Tommy Pitera, who used to chop up victims in bathtubs. But Anthony Casso, admitting 37 murders, did not get that. Many many mob guys get 15 to 25 sentences for all sorts of crimes, including murders. Sammy Gravano admitted participating in 19 murders, some believe he did more than that, and walked away from all that to become the biggest extacy dealer in south west after he testified for the goverment.
The heroin flood into black urban areas was the result of some 200 to 250 white mafia guys, working mainly out of New York, New Orleans, Kansas City, St.Louis etc. After the WW2 the US mob connected again with their brethren in Sicily and collegues in France (the corsicans) and strated to import really heavy duty heroin into USA. Goverment was not that worried as long as it stayed in black neighbourhoods. This is a historical fact. You can check it from anywhere.
Only after the heroin epidemic started to effect whites, the congress passed tuffer laws in late 1950’s. Before that a major heroin dealer who got caught with few hundred kilos got perhaps 6 years. The black criminals dealing dope in black urban areas got arrested regularily, went to jails etc. but the importers, the mafia guys, went on.
In 1960’s south east asian heroin replaced the european. CIA’s Air America was in the thick of it. They smuggled heroin from Van Pao in Laos to Thailand and sometimes helped it to reach Vietnam and from there on the corsicans and americans took it to the USA. One of the biggest importers was the boss of Tampa and Florida, Santo Trafficante. But already in the late 60’s early 70’s things were bubbling in Sicily.
From early 1970’s onward the sicilians brought in tons of heroin and were in cahoots with their US brothers in crime. This became later know as the Pizza Link. It went on at least to the 80’s, propably later on.
You see what I am saying? The drug epidemic which destroyed many black urban areas were built and managed by white criminals. They controlled the trade. They guided it. They made most of the money. Yeah, what about Big Bad Leroy Barnes? Well, he got his product from the italians in Pleasant avenue. Almost all of the black drug barons bought their stuff from the white whole sale dealers and traders. That was the whole idea.
And if we think what were the cumulative results of this thing after some 40 years, we can start to understand the scale of criminality a bit better.
I am not saying that black criminals are good guys, nobody is saying that. Absolute majority of the black americans do not like nor support black criminals. They hate criminals as much as you do. What the majority of the black americans do not say is that because of the white gangsters and their crimes, all the whites are gangsters or their active supporters. You see?
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“No you are wrong I don’t hate anyone. I’m just combating the bias on this blog. I do feel that on a blog that is based alot on the negativity of white people I should be allowed to have my points taken seriously. Because I am white. If there was a blog based on “the hearts of black people” and I don’t mean a skin head blog . but a blog such as this where the people come across as being fair.you don’t think there would be a million outraged blacks throwing thier two cents in
I most of the followers of this blog shoud just man up and shave thier heads and make some sort of a black swastica tattoo on thier heads and admit that they are black bigots.”
Arrgh!!
Dave, let me ask you, do you combat the bias on sites like Stormfront or Chimpout to name a few? Do you combat the bias on blogs like Unamused, Gl Piggy, and Half Sigma? I bet the answer to both questions is no.
Check this out, why should anyone here including myself take you seriously, when you don’t take us seriously. There are reasons why there are blogs like this and that is to break down the kind of thinking that you have. This isn’t a blog promoting anti-white racism. This is a blog that’s about truth. It’s not because your white that people are disagree with you. It’s because you have a white racist mindset, and if you deny that, there’s nothing more than anyone can tell you.
You can tell the black people who frequent this blog and other blogs against white racism to paint swasticas all you want. That doesn’t change that you’re proving that you have that racist mindset and that you don’t wish to learn anything nor accept any hint of responsibility.
Yes, I am aware of black-on-white crimes because like I mentioned in one of my responses, the news media will print and broadcast those crimes more often than if the races were switched. This blog highlights white-on-black crimes not mentioned nearly as much in the media or in textbooks. Does that mean this blog is anti-white? No. Does that mean those who come often to this blog are anti-white? Not all of them. So, why does talking about white crimes against POC is the same as being anti-white? They are not the same! No one here advocates violence against white people. Somehow that’s what you thought it was about which is a symptom of the illness of white-minded thinking. To you ANY topic that talks about race from the point of view from POC and ANY topic that points out the flaws and actions against POC by whites, is automatically anti-white.
What’s the problem, Dave? Do you hate hearing about white people doing anything wrong? Well, I hate hearing about black people doing anything wrong, and guess what, THAT’S MOST OF WHAT YOU HEAR AND SEE IN THE MAINSTREAM NEWS MEDIA. I have no choice but to hear about it, but your people have the privilege of being presented more balanced, and you have the privilege of being seen as individuals. We don’t have it that easy. Whites are seen as basically good while we are seen as basically black. Don’t disagree, but that’s the way you see black people as especially if they attack a white person.
Whites are not above committing heinous acts against POC and themselves simply because white people are human beings. The lives of POC matter just as much as the lives of whites. That is what this blog is about. That is what this entry is about. You’re just trolling around for selfish purposes. The day you realize that, the better off you will be.
The end!
Anyone else want to chime in?
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first of all I do not and will not accept the term “poc” in the context that you use it. because I do not see any east asians, or indians or hispanics making up a fair portion of the naacp.
that is a political term and I have no problem with asians at all. In fact I don’t have a problem with most black people as long as thier fair.unlike you brotha. because your point of view that when a white does it he is seen as an individual to me is like saying the sky is red.
no freaking way you are right on that. that was my whole point and why i’m making such a big deal out of this. we take heat not as individuals from people like you way too much. because of something that happend four hundred years ago. but I am not allowed to lump you into the same pot for something that happened yesterday YOUR WORDS “black criminals” not black people but on this blog its “SEE ALL WHITE PEOPLE ” not white criminals. and when blacks do kill and rapethe blame seems to get put on us go figure. and you are the one who is brainwashed. you need to hear another point of view but you just don’t want to eat your brussel sprouts. even though thier good for you
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and I stumbled onto this blog because I was mistreated one time with my kids when I went out to eat. My two year old son (now four) was crying, and this was at an all you can eat restaurant, so no offense but there were alot of black people there like most all you can places around.
and the table next to me made some pretty hateful remarks. so when we got home I looked up black racism in the context of what was said and I came across abagonds blogs. in fact there is alot that you can search and you will find this site. but I will take your advice at check out these “opposite point of view” blogs and I’ll bet the conversation will still be dominated by blacks.
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Dave,
I’m gonna dedicate a blog response to your comments in a couple of days because this conversation is going nowhere. So, stay tuned.
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@dave:
“and I stumbled onto this blog because I was mistreated one time with my kids when I went out to eat. My two year old son (now four) was crying, and this was at an all you can eat restaurant, so no offense but there were alot of black people there like most all you can places around.
and the table next to me made some pretty hateful remarks.”
That is unfortunate and I am sorry to heart that you were mistreated, but seriously. That is your proof of the anti-white racism?
“the table next to me made some pretty hateful remarks.”
That is unfortunate and not nice, again, but seriously: you think blacks in USA do not get that all the time?
Perhaps it is the difference on backrounds but I do not get that easily disturbed. Perhaps I have seen too much unjustice around the world that an mistreating incident and hateful remarks do not shake my world to the ground.
I’ve told here before that I have been once in a situation in US where one black guy particulary wanted to kick my ass because of my color. Other blacks on the scene did not. Nothing came out of it. He was threatning me, he told me he was going to kill me, he was going to do this and that. Was I offended? No. It was him talking. He was venting out what ever he was. He was not the official spokes person of all the blacks. He was not the officially elected representative of all american blacks.
And on that note, first time someone told me he was going to kill me was a white guy way back when. I was told many times I will be killed or beaten up by white kids when I was young. I was told hundreds of times I was going to get beaten up by white guys. And I was white myself. I was beaten by some white guys and I did beat up other white guys. Did it make me anti-white racist? Of course not. No more than few black guys who tell me they hate me being white or a black criminal who robs me or black guy who beats me up is going to make me a racist. They do not represent the whole black population no more than neo nazis or white criminals represent the whole white population. Ok?
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well sam alot of whay you said makes sense and I’m not saying there isn’t a tremendous amount of white racism. But the problem I have when there is a backlash from it who do you direct it to if you have no idea which is the white racist between the good man. so it gets directed at all white people unfortunately and after decades of that . there becomes a counter backlash directed at blacks from good whites, then they are called racist and I believe it has now become a cycle. but that doesn’t mean these types of conversations are bad
Its funny I always hear from black guys that they have to “educate” any white person who has an opinion about the subject. My parents are from philly and when the houses become section 8 they are just given away to black people and these are good people the salt of the earth. but if they are disappointed about this they are racist. that becomes frustrating for alot of people.
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and brotherwolf is this anti dave blog supposed to scare me away and will it be for my benefit or yours
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I think maybe you are missing some content here? What you are saying doesn’t make sense.
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Thanks for keeping VIncent Chin’s story alive. It’s shameful that I knew nothing about his story until I began the process to adopt and began to research Chinese-American history in order to be a better parent to my transracially-adopted child. There is no excuse for the lack of education in this country generally about Asian-American history.
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No, Dave. Just trying to vent my frustration and to try and stop you from derailing this topic any further.
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[…] around Abagond’s blog, I came across a topic pertaining to a young Chinese American man Vincent Chin who was murdered in 1982 by two white men because, according to the blog, “They were thrown […]
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My two year old son (now four) was crying, and this was at an all you can eat restaurant, so no offense but there were alot of black people there like most all you can places around..
I hear you Dave! I once went to a Bingo Hall to play Bingo! I was surrounded by a multitude of slovenly looking white folk chain smoking and cussing a blue streak! When I managed to catch snippets of their conversation(when the werem’t cussing out the Bingo caller for not calling the winning number which they needed for the last ten calls), they said some very nasty things to me! No offense to slovenly, cussing chain smoking white folk. They accused me of jinxing them among other things! When I got home,(I lost!) I looked up slovenly white folk and came upon millions of websites catering to that topic.
but I will take your advice at check out these “opposite point of view” blogs and I’ll bet the conversation will still be dominated by blacks.
No Dave. Blacks aint’ gonna go to blogs which blatantly racially abuse them! If you are going to insult someone, at least do it with a modicum of manners!
But the problem I have when there is a backlash from it who do you direct it to if you have no idea which is the white racist between the good man.
You direct it to the person calling you a n***er at the time.
Seriously, you are f***ed! This is a post about a gross miscarriage of justice yet you prattle on about some idiot making ignorant remarks to you in an’ all you can eat buffet’. Next time complain to the restaurant, not on a blog!
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response to brother wolf still awaiting moderation on his blog
why is it you think YOU care more about the life of this asian man who you know nothing about than me.
you don’t
I’m sorry but you don’t. you don’t care about this man. you care about persecuting whites for someone you don’t even knowd. you are the one why is trying to derail my point of view.
I will admit you are right about one thing. It was wrong of me to put up a funny video on a serious topic such as this and I do feel bad . I had a close cousin who was murdered by a drugged out white guy over 80 dollars that my cousin didn’t even owe. the guy was on acid. and even though it is years ago if the topic came up on a popular blog on wordpress I would get fired up. but I will apologize to the chin family for that not to you and your googy tribe on abagond.
I feel that the whole point of the chin blog was to villianize whites. just my opinion, I don’t know abagond.
And by the way if you really want to know what happened at the restaurant I was just one little thing. it didn’t hurt me or make me who I am. It did make me go home and google someething about black racists and somehow I was led to abagonds blog. I never said It was some kind of life changing experience.
If you really must know what was said here goes. One young lady said that all white parents keep thier kids on a leash and thats why they act up like that. another person an older black man said if that was his kid he wouldn’t have it. again not that bad I was merely explaning an incident prior to finding this site. a little rude but not as if I was lynched or something.
chill out man. Yeah I come across harsh but alot of it is in responce to the commenters. like that one guy who said people like me should be eradicated because I disagree. yet you stand by and do nothing. or those black isrealites who come on from time to time i very rarely see them even get thier hand slapped, but look at the length you just went to publicly try to humiliate me.
but guess what brother like hulk hogan I guess it will have to be brother angainst brother brother.
and at least two of the sites you recommend are vile.
I was sickened by them .
how could you in good conscience recommend them to a father of 2 shame on you
dave said this on October 7, 2011 at 4:35 am | Reply
awaiting moderation? you sure can dish it though………wow
dave said this on October 7, 2011 at 4:41 am | Reply
another thing did abagond get permission from the chin family? how do you know this is what they would want. two guys starting some sort of hate war sparked in thier sons dishonor. maybe you should chastise him as well?
Do you in your heart really believe his intentions were 100% pure?
dave said this on October 7, 2011 at 4:57 am | Reply
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and by the way brother wolf you were so sure I would run and hide.
my wife is tougher than you . I’m used to getting yelled at.
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I told you it would be brother against brother brother
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I think I identify with mr t’s character in this case
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@dave: Well, dave, abagond does not need a permission from the Chin family or from any one else connected to that case. It is public knowledge, it was news, so everyone involved have been outed all ready. It is out on the open. There is no secret information here. No confidental infromation.
If you shoot somebody on the street, do not think that your name, or that of a victim, does not come out. They do, perhaps only in court, but they eventually do come out. After all, it was a public space, out on the open.
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@ Dave I stumbled upon this blog because one of my favorite clients is African American (AA) who moved to Kenya about 8 years ago. He is a doctor got married here and raises his kids here. I wondered to myself what would make this seemingly successful young man leave the US (greatest country on earth, right?) to a “third world” country. We are not badly off but we are not America! He started telling me stories, hard stories to listen to most like Abagond’s and many black people on this blog.
So I have been reading this blog for over a year now and I have learnt a lot and the truth is even though I am black, I am not AA. I do not live in a predominantly white country, there are no subtle cues in my society that can play at my psyche and many other things that I have been raised in this blog. As a black person all I can really do is empathize but I cannot truly understand. I have just recently started commenting because I feel that I can now confidently have a conversation about the issues discussed on this blog.
Point of all this is Dave, is listening is an important and fundamental aspect of communication and all you seem to do is reply with self-serving comments (as an observer this is obvious) and just want to prove you are right rather than listen.
There is a Swahili saying that empty cans make the most noise. LISTEN Dave read the entire blog because everything is connected. Let it sit with you and marinate on it and then comment. It does not hurt to listen.
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@ malkia
well I listened to you and I will do that from now on.
thank you for talking to me as a person and not just a “white” person
I appreciated that
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and by the way
God bless Vincent Chin and his family
I meant no disrespect to you and yours believe that
It was self serving
Malkia was right
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“and by the way brother wolf you were so sure I would run and hide.
my wife is tougher than you . I’m used to getting yelled at.”
Why am I not surprised?
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I will commend you for apologizing to the family Dave. I will give you that much.
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All people of color and none people of color look a like in the dark.
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OMG, just realized that the Vincent Chin incident has just recently become ancient American history. There is no need to examine it or study it anymore and it has no relevance to the present day.
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As the judge put it:
These weren’t the kind of men you send to jail… You don’t make the punishment fit the crime; you make the punishment fit the criminal.
I want to believe that the Judge was a senile idiot, but that’s probably not true at all.
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Reblogged this on Life in Anglo-America.
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@Kiwi,
I know that you were not born yet during Vincent Chin incident, so you can only hear about it 2nd hand. It’s like how I was not born yet during Emmett Till, so I can only imagine the national mood at that time.
But I DO remember Vincent Chin. In fact, I had just completed an Asian-American studies class at university, and I wonder if you can imagine the mood just before and just after Vincent Chin and how electrifying it was. For those of us who grew up before the Vincent Chin lynching, we only heard of these vague family stories about how they chased ethnic Chinese out of towns in the late 19th century, rounded them up and lynched them in public. There was nothing taught in our history books, and the last of the survivors were dying off by the time I was born.It was like folklore. I didn’t know how much of it was true. My childhood was the time of Bruce Lee and Kung Fu and the Fall of Saigon. The late 70s- early 80s was the time of the refugees pouring out of SE Asia as well as the time the brain drain foreign students started to fill the graduate schools.
But Vincent Chin reminded each of us that white mob vigilantes could go out and chase down innocent law-abiding Asian-Americans and lynch them with impunity. It was the 1980s, but it was like nothing had changed since the 1880s. Besides this, those that grew up in the Japanese American internment camps who had spent decades quietly going about their business, trying to fit in among whites, recalled what they went through in their youth, and now they were middle-aged. The feelings of Asian Americans who served in the Vietnam War and were dehumanized at g**ks were now in their 30s. and it lit a spark in them too. The US had pitted Chinese-Americans against Japanese-Americans in the 1940s and the young ones found reasons to join forces in the 60s-70s over the Vietnam War, but now in the 1980s, they were joining forces across a wider spectrum.
That is why, I believe with my heart, that the Model Minority Stereotype being pumped up into full gear in the mid 80s was no accident. Sure, it was mentioned back in 1966, but its message was getting swamped out by the Vietnam War and the strides in Civil Rights and Affirmative Action, which also benefited Asian-Americans. But in the 80s you heard the messages all the time that WHITES love Asians, they are so much better (smarter and well-behaved) compared to blacks. The stereotypes were the exact opposite of blacks. There is no doubt that part of the strategy was to dispel the growing unrest after Vincent Chin, and they poured their heart esp. to those post-65 brain drain and refugee immigrants, esp. with their anti-Communist stance.
You say your parents were in the US already during Vincent Chin. do they remember it? Did you ever ask them about it? Do they know anything about the massive ethnic cleansing and lynching campaign against Chinese-Americans in the USA in the 1880s-1890s. I know it is not their family history, but do they know about it?
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@Kiwi,
Would your parents object to the teaching of Asian American history in school, or if you took a course in it? Would they think it as a waste of time and money?
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I would imagine that some parents would be concerned that time and money was not spent on something “useful”, eg, STEM stuff. or finance?
So, are they interested in your learning ANY history or culture? The history of Taiwan? Chinese literature? Or do they think it is perfectly fine to replace the knowledge and study of “your heritage” with white Anglo American heritage?
If they think that the learning of Asian American history, culture and politics is unimportant or irrelevant to their lives, what is relevant? Do they make no connection between “Yellow Peril” and how they are treated in the workplace?
And also, what about you? For example, is the story of Vincent Chin relevant to your life? Or the experience associated with the Chinese Exclusion policies for the 100 years prior to that? I am sure that at one point in the past, you thought you could just magically become white, just like Gene Yang. What heritage and culture is relevant to you, now, in the present?
I am disgusted with the way they teach US history and culture in the schools and in the media. That is one reason I come to this blog.
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@Kiwi
I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with you here. I think that the Bamboo ceiling works in tandem with both the Yellow Peril stereotype and the Model Minority stereotype, but more the former than the latter.
Yellow Peril refers to two different things. Yes, it does refer to the rise of economies of East Asia and the potential economic and political threat that such phenomenon pose to the USA. However, that was not the origin of the Yellow Peril stereotypes nor necessarily even the main theme of Yellow Peril.
Originally in the 19th century, Yellow Peril referred to the fear that Asians would take over the USA, not as an outside country, but as a growing infestation that would threaten the way of life of white people, depressing their wages or livelihood or destroy their culture and civilization and replace it with an alien one of Asian origin. Even the fear of a mongrel nation created the fear that their alien nature would eventually show through and take over the country.
The fear of a mongrel nation still shows itself in the attitude of seeing white women marrying Asian men, but it has somewhat been mitigated when Asian women marry white men. There is a belief among a minority of white people that a white man can raise the mongrels to be “Americans”. But I still do believe that a majority of whites will always see Asians as an alien race that threatens their way of life and are not assimilable.
The original meaning of Yellow Peril did not refer to the threat of economic and political clout of East Asian nations.
The theme shows up in American popular media where Alien beings infiltrate US society and before white people know it, their society has been replaced with aliens. That was the basis of the Asian exclusion acts and the notion of Aliens ineligible for citizenship. This formed the core of Yellow Peril.
Bamboo ceiling is where the Model Minority meets the Yellow Peril, but with a core Yellow Peril theme. Model Minority stereotypes depict them as smart, but docile worker bees. Yellow Peril stereotypes keeps them from attaining any position of power or influence, lest they threaten the “American” way of life. That is why they do not want to see Asians on the board of directors, as CEOs or in other top management positions (at least not in any large number). They do not want to see them in top political positions either. They want to be in a world where true “Americans” call the shots, not an alien race of beings. They do not even want to see it represented in fiction. If it is a piece of fiction, then it is a dystopian theme.
This is Yellow Peril at work and the original meaning of Yellow Peril and the version of Yellow Peril that is still strongest in the USA.
The rise of Japan or the rise of China is also another form of Yellow Peril – the idea that an alien race will become so powerful they will threaten the American way of life. But even if China and Japan fall flat on their face economically and politically, Yellow Peril in the USA will still be as strong as ever.
Think of it this way – what do Americans fear more – an alien planet with superior technology or in infiltration of aliens among them that threaten to take over by replacing the local culture with an alien one.
No it hasn’t. Yellow Peril is still strong as ever (maybe not as strong as the late 19th century, but still very strong). That is why the Perpetual Foreigner stereotype is required to keep them as an alien race of beings.
We need a post on Yellow Peril.
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@Kiwi
You still seemed wedded to the notion that Yellow Peril refers exclusively to the threat of an Asian nation attacking the USA or gaining so much economic (or political or militaristic) clout that they can take over the USA in that way.
Yellow Peril does include that, but that is just a corollary of the original fear. It was not originally formulated on that concept (back in the 19th century) nor is it the only or primary form of Yellow Peril fear that is in force today. The fear that Yellow Peril generated was founded on the notion that an alien race and culture would infiltrate the USA and take over or replace the American way of life with an alien one, or to crowd out America until aliens are running the country, not true Americans.
How to stop this from happening?
– Exclude them from coming in
– Prohibit the ones already here to become citizens
– Prohibit them from owning land, business, or engaging in any occupation that would be in competition with whites
– Prohibit them from marrying whites
– Prohibit them from getting married with Asian women and having children
– Prohibit them from reuniting with their families
– (in the beginning), kill them, lynch them, drive them out, get rid of them any way you can.
– Force all of them to carry valid ID cards. If one is found not carrying a valid ID, deport him.
If you notice, all of the measures enacted to help white Americans mitigate their fear of Yellow Peril had nothing to do with the threat of an attack by another country. However, it did help create the notion that Asian Americans must remain permanent aliens, so once they were allowed to immigrate and naturalize, they still had to be subjected to the Perpetual Foreigner stereotype to make them permanent aliens (at least in the minds of whites and in the USA media).
I don’t think that it was extended to include the notion of an attack by another country until the USA was actually attacked by another country (ie, Pearl Harbor). Since WWII, Yellow Peril also included the notion of being attacked or threatened by an Asian Nation. With the postwar economic rise of Japan, it was extended yet again to include the notion of a foreign “alien” nation having enough economic clout to challenge or even overwhelm the USA.
Yellow Peril existed way before Model Minority. Model Minority was created to control angry militant blacks in the 1960s. Then a campaign to thuggify blacks, paint them as welfare queens, etc. to roll back Affirmative Action surfaced in the 1980s. Model Minority experienced a resurgence, again, in an effort to control blacks.
But, what happens when immigration policies favour brain drain, when Asian Americans begin to become more educated than whites, when they are drawn to fields that pay higher earnings, etc. This invokes the fear of Yellow Peril again in the
That is why I think the Bamboo Ceiling is more related to Yellow Peril than Model Minority. It is similar to the official measures enacted 1860s – 1960s to keep Asians out lest they upset white Americans’ image of their country and their way of life. Now that they are in the country, measures have to be enacted to keep them out at least of influential or powerful positions or in anything that will upset white Americans’ image of themselves, their country, or their way of life.
Actually, I should say that Bamboo Ceiling is the solution of exercising Yellow Peril prevention measures over a Model Minority. Prior to the 1960s, Asians were prevented from immigrating to the USA or to become citizens. The barriers erected were much more stringent. Now, the former measures to control Yellow Peril have been scaled back to become a Bamboo Ceiling.
Summary:
– “Yellow Peril” started as fear that an alien race would enter and take over the USA in an osmotic fashion, slowly eroding the American way of life and the entitlement of white people. It was later extended to include threats of attack by Asian nations or being overwhelmed by their growing economic or military clout.
– “Perpetual Foreigner” is used to control Yellow Peril
– “Model Minority” is used to control blacks and to relieve white guilt about racism.
– “Bamboo Ceiling” is a scaled back version of the alien control measures that the USA used pre-1960s. It is a way to control for Yellow Peril in an environment where Model Minority is operating.
Pre-1960s Asians were effectively barred from entering most fields altogether. Post 80s they are barred from most senior management and political positions, a scaled back version of what operated pre-60s.
This is how I see it.
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@ kiwi
This invokes the fear of Yellow Peril again in the
Sorry, should be
“This invokes the fear of Yellow Peril again in the … in the eyes of whites.”
We talked about many terms applied to Asian Americans, eg,
Yellow Peril
Alien Ineligible for Citizenship
Perpetual Foreigner
Model Minority
Honorary White
Bamboo Ceiling
For Yellow Peril, you had initially assumed that it referred to the vilification of certain countries (eg, North Korea) or the economic, political or militaristic rise of Asian nations that could threaten the USA (eg, China and Japan). As I said, I don’t think Yellow Peril originally meant those things, but the meaning was extended later to include those things.
Likewise, I don’t equate Model Minority with Honorary White. Model Minority has been around officially at least since 1966, but when you read any of those articles, did you see any suggestion that whites thought of Asians as something similar or close to whites? I don’t think so. In fact, the articles suggest that they (Japanese, Chinese) are very different from whites and also blacks (but somehow similar to each other). On the one hand they mention that some very violent, dehumanizing, and socially disruptive racism were meted against Asian Americans, including some things that even blacks did not have to suffer, or at least not to the same degree. They also reiterate that Asians were very much visible minorities, and have indeed not been able to join the American melting pot like European ethnics could. They also point out that they commit less crime, and are less violent than even whites. The 2nd generation did not create a large number of delinquents in the same manner that European ethnics did. Finally, they are used as an example a racially visible minority subject to very harsh racism, yet avoiding the same kinds of pathologies associated with blacks. The explanation is cultural and family values.
Model Minority had nothing to do with Honorary White. In fact, prior to the 1980s, most whites had little if any contact with Asian Americans. It would be more likely to meet an ex-vet who had fought in Asia than to meet one that actually knew many Asian Americans.
The concept of extending Model Minority to embody the concept of Honorary White did not come until much later, probably not until the mid-late 80s, ie, AFTER the Vietnam War, after Vincent Chin, after the normalization of US China relations, after the economic rise of Japan and as the Cold War was drawing to a close. This was after Brain drain families started moving into the suburbs and white people actually started meeting them and their kids went to school with them.
After white people starting getting to know actual Asians, they realize that they are not really very different. Perhaps the advantage of getting to know brain drain Asians is that they are unaware of the US historical treatment and status of Asian Americans. They basically have a clean slate on that and white liberals can also wipe their slate clean.
To provide an analogy of what would have to happen to blacks for the same thing to occur – they would have to wipe out 90% of the existing black population with slave ancestors and then actively encourage African brain drain immigration until African brain drain immigrants started to exceed slave descendant blacks, essentially replacing their history. Maybe by then whites could think of blacks as not much different from whites. That is not likely to happen (except maybe in small isolated pockets like Silicon Valley?), and whites seem wedded to the need to maintain a black caste that can be controlled.
So I will have to disagree with all of the following points:
First of all, Perpetual Foreigner and the Model Minority ARE NOT opposites. They were hand in hand with each other. How else to keep a group to maintain a minority label unless they are stereotyped as Perpetual Foreigner (based on racially visible characteristics)? I would purport that the Model Minority stereotype is quite dependent on the Perpetual Foreigner stereotype.
As I said above, Model Minority was never created to suggest that Asian Americans were Honorary Whites. That was added later, mostly by white liberals, to erase any guilt associated with any prior racism. Then it would be very similar to how whites have erased their guilt towards Irish or German immigrants (and later Italian, Polish, etc.) by simply relabelling them as “white” and erasing that history. Republicans still tend to use Model Minority in a manner closer to the original sense of the term.
I agree partially with the idea that Yellow Peril seems to contradict Model Minority – hence the need to enforce a Bamboo Ceiling – a way to deal with the Yellow Peril associated with Model Minorities. Model minorities are not menacing as long as they are not powerful.
As I mentioned in a prior comment, Yellow Peril created a whole slew of actions used to keep Asians from coming to the USA, from becoming citizens, from forming families, from having access to participation in politics, the economy, etc. from the lynching, massacres and ethnic cleansing all the way to the Japanese American internment. Since they were officially treated as foreigners and aliens, there was no need to create a term for why it happened. I never heard the term Perpetual Foreigner when I was growing up. I think it is also a new term that started appearing post 80s to describe the phenomenon. I suspect that the term was more promoted, perhaps even coined by Asian Americans to describe what was happening to them.
Perpetual foreigner is a form of control, a means to exercise control measures to deal with the threat of Yellow Peril.
Regarding the view that Yellow Peril was a primarily masculine stereotype and the emasculation of the Asian male as a Yellow Peril counter measure is an interesting thought that deserves further consideration. There is definitely a lot of work that needs to be done to address the male / female disparity in the treatment of Asian Americans by whites, and I do not trust the work done by Asian women married to white men (esp. those that also bash Asian men).
Kiwi, since you have no family narrative that includes Asian American history and it was not taught in school, I think it would be a great idea for you to take some Asian American studies courses. For one, you would have more opportunities to meet or contact scholars on the subject, and you would have the chance to research some of the topics that interest you. Maybe you can make it more clear in your mind about how we got from Yellow Peril and Coolie to Model Minority and Honorary White and Asian Male Emasculation.
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I think that Yellow Peril can help explain the emasculation of Asian men by whites, but it is difficult to use that to explain why Asian women do it too.
For some, maybe they have internalized the Yellow Peril stereotype held by whites, and seeing that as applying more to men than women. Still, that would not explain all of it, esp. for those who did not grow up in the USA.
Something must be glorifying white men in Asia, or bashing Asian men there for that to work.
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Do you think we know (or Abagond knows) enough to do a post on Yellow Peril? I think it is a key theme that has shaped US domestic and foreign policy, including immigration and its war machine.
Personally, I feel it has had almost as much influence on US history and culture as Manifest Destiny. They are both related anyhow. Perhaps Yellow Peril emerged as a threat to Manifest Destiny.
Manifest Destiny is mentioned in our secondary school textbooks, but rarely is Yellow Peril.
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And the beating goes on…
“Michael Vitar, who played Benny “The Jet” Rodriguez in the flick, allegedly attacked the 23-year-old USSB student on Halloween night.
According to a search warrant obtained by TMZ, 2 of Vitar’s friends, both of whom are firefighters, spotted Samuel Chang passing out candy in the street of his gated L.A. community. The firefighters suspected Chang was passing out tainted candy and confronted him.
The warrant claims the 2 firefighters began beating on Chang, restraining him with a chokehold. The legal docs claim Vitar — now a firefighter as well — joined in, mid beating. The warrant says the beating was so bad that Chang’s pulse stopped and the firefighters had to get their gear and revive him.”
http://www.tmz.com/2016/01/16/sandlot-michael-vitar-attack-halloween-photos/
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WTF
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Couldn’t find this news on mainstream US media, but found it on a UK paper:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3351914/Sandlot-star-turned-LA-firefighter-Michael-Vitar-charged-group-assault-man-caught-handing-candy-Halloween.html
King’s quote did not mention that Chang was handing out candy on Halloween night – so what he was doing should theoretically be normal behaviour in the USA.
Apparently, once someone is dehumanized, it is easy to commit violent assault on him.
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What I cannot understand is why they thought he was passing out tainted Halloween candy? Why did they think that?
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King
You know people of color are always out to poison sweet little white children.
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Yes, of course we are.
I myself never leave home without at least 2 hemlock brownies in each pocket. But really… 3 guys (all firefighters) beating him to literally to death?!?
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King
Maybe they thought he might use his super genius powers and needed the extra backup to stop him.
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OK,
found this one.
(http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/sandlot-star-arrested-assault-article-1.2459369)
Michael Vitar, known for ‘Benny the Jet’ role in ‘The Sandlot,’ arrested for assault
Has the news been covered in LA where it occurred?
Amazing how they all get put on administrative leave while they take months or years to evaluate the case. Alas, this case also does not have a perfect victim.
Any other severe beating incidents of other non-blacks by public security forces reported since the Indian man visiting his son in northern Alabama last year?
If the Samuel Chang had died, would it be another “Vincent Chin” moment and wake people up?
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@ sharinalr
He should have used his super genius powers to slowly make them eat his poison candy.
@ jefe
I have not seen it on the TV news or in the newspapers and it happened three months ago! The only place that I found it was on TMZ. It’s being treated as an unimportant non-story.
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@King,
Well, I found it mentioned in those UK and NY news sites, so a few other places picked it up.
L.A. (and by LA, I mean the govt and the owners of mainstream media) probably does not want a riot (or even a mild protest with the slightest risk of it escalating). Perhaps news on a back page in NY or the UK will not be too provocative for LA. Will have to check the Asian American news sources to see if that was covered anywhere.
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@ jefe
Well I did some checking, and I still can’t find it in any obvious place out here. If it was ever mentioned it must have been back-paged in the papers, and I’m quite sure that it has not made it to broadcast news.
I wonder how often these kind of incidents against Asians are simply ignored.
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@ jefe
What Asian American news sources do you recommend?
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Who would you say is the “Black” Vincent Chin
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@ Lounar
Start with this list:
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