Welcome to Hispanic Heritage Month, which in the US runs from September 15th to October 15th. During this month I try to do some posts having to do with Latin America, particularly Latin Americans in the US.
Some posts I am thinking of maybe doing (listed in alphabetical order):
- Afro-Mexicans
- Are Hispanics becoming White?
- Arizona: a brief Chicano history
- Bartolome de Las Casas
- Eduardo Galeano
- immigrant
- Is Latin America Western?
- Mexican Americans
- Mexican American mass deportations
- Mexican War
- United Fruit
- William Walker
Because of Trump, I particularly want to do the one on deportations.
Here are the posts I have done so far (to be filled in as I do them):
- Frida Kahlo – I did this in 2014, but list it here since there were several requests for it in the comments.
- The Killers: When You Were Young
- Selena: Como la Flor
- Shakira: Ojos Así
- coffee
- Mixtecs
- Meso-America
- Colonial Mexico
- Zoot Suit Riots
- Yuri: Soy Libre
- William Walker
Suggestions are welcomed.
– Abagond, 2016.
Update: Due to all the election-related posts I have wound up doing, I have extended the month to end on October 31st.
See also:
Yes please on the Afro-Mexicans.
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Do something on Aztec and Mayan culture. Or maybe something on the natives of the Amazon region.
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It’s not a race but a culture @ ‘Are Hispanics becoming white?’
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Keep it positive.
Try not to relive the past.
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Regarding the Mexican-American War, please don’t forget the participation of African Americans in that war.
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@Allen Shaw
A people without knowledge of their history is like a tree without roots.
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William Walker, in context of the freebooter movement, its manifest destiny ideology and the threat the USA was to the independent nations of the Caribbean and Central America.
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The waning of Mexico and the waxing of the USA at Mexico’s expense. 55% of its territory in now part of the USA.
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55% of its territory is now part of the USA
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A post on ancient Aztects and Incas and Mayans. And Montezuma.
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@Allen Shaw: Would you tell the Jewish people not to remember their past? I get it that you like trolling on this blog site but would you tell them not to remember the Holocaust? You and your white paternalism. What makes you think you know what’s best for black people and other people of color?
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Frida Khalo and Carlos Santana and Celia Cruz and Carmen Miranda.
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@Mary Burrell
I like that list, especially Celia Cruz and Frida Kahlo.
I would like to add to the list:
▷The folk medicine of Mexico, Curanderismo and its practitioners, curanderos (masculine) or curanderas (feminine).
▷Colorism in AfroLatino Caribbean cultures.
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@Afrofem: Yes I love that and Iove that next month in October The Day of The Dead will be celebrated.
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@Afrofem: Yes to colorism in AfroLatino Caribbean cultures and yes to folk medicine. And spirituality like Santeria which is practiced in many cultures in the Caribbean and some Spanish speaking countries.
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I’m pretty fascinated with Frida Khalo. Probably one of the most interesting person I’ve ever read about. Her struggles are legendary.
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How about a post on the late Dr Sebi, a wonderful healer, nutritionist and herbalist from an Afrocentric pov who was formerly based in Honduras? His recent passing has the hallmarks of subterfuge and coverup.
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How bout one on the National Council of La Raza.
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@Fan …
Oh fan I love that suggestion!!! When I first heard of him I was fearful then that they would kill him. I hope he has taught others his techniques before his recent demise.
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Something on Dizzy Gillespie would be nice. He did a lot to merge music and latin music.
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“I hope he has taught others his techniques before his recent demise.”
@Sharina
I believe he left his NATURAL plants formulas/compounds with family, friends and associates. Let’s hope his legacy/business remains uncompromised. Like many of us he leaned towards giving most people the benefit of the doubt.
I wonder how much longer he would have lived beyond 82 if he wasn’t terminated while incarcerated over questionable charges?
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The Olmecs. And Van Sertima’s theory of Egyptian origins.
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@Abagond.
Does Latin American mean Mexican or all America South of Texas? It would be interesting to hear something about the beginnings of modern Brasil . Portuguese speaking but Latin none the less and with the highest level Of African American people in the world, outside of Africa itself.
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^ I mean African people out side of Africa
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@ Zoe Jordan
Most Latinos in the US are from Mexico, so it gets pride of place, but all of Latin America is fair game.
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Hey Allen Shaw.
When I was a toddler my Dad took me to live in Morocco for a couple of years.They were a couple of the best years of my life! Guess what? I just relived the past AND I was positive. The 2 are not exclusive. Just saying 🙂
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” on Fri 16 Sep 2016 at 22:15:57
Afrofem
@Allen Shaw
A people without knowledge of their history is like a tree without roots.”
So what make you believe that you have some type of superior knowledge of a people’s history? What level of authority do you speak? Are you some renown Professor of African-American history?
Or are you somehow implying that others do not know history?
It might be that some people have lived more history than you can read about. Some of current history has been distorted with hysteria.
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@Allen Shaw
” What level of authority do you speak? Or are you somehow implying that others do not know history?”
I speak with the authority of an African American person who has taken the time to read, listen and learn as much as I can about the history of my own people. That reading, listening and learning are an ongoing and never ending project—-I learn something new everyday.
I’m not implying that you do not know history, I am stating bluntly that you seem to have large gaps in your understanding of African American history and the consequences of that history on the lives of African Americans in the current day.
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As a Latin American whose parents are from Mexico, I can tell you that the issue of whether Latin America is Western or not, is a very complicated issue. It is made even more complicated by the fact that terms like the “West” and “Europe” are usually taken out of their proper contexts by different continental powers. Because of this confusion, Europa is depicted as this Nordic looking lady when in fact she would have appeared more like a Lebanese woman.
Hispanic or Spanish America, I would say, is Western but not like the traditional “core” Western states(France, Germany, Britain, USA etc). I would say that it gets this from Spain itself which, in an odd and unbelievable way, is composed of two “nations” for lack of a better word, north and south. The north being more conservative, exclusivist, “uptight”, top down authoritarian, Eurocentric, German in a sense. The south particularly Andalucia(where the majority of the Spanish came from as well as the medieval base of Mozarabic/Andalusi culture) is more open, inclusive, relaxed, liberal, egalitarian and almost anarchic.
Spanish America is basically a Southern Spain but free from North Spain and Europe. Just like the US is basically England(s) but without the Feudalism that the English/British have kept, so to Hispanic America is South Spain/Andalucia without Core European culture. Even a Spanish writer like Jose Ortega y Gasset wrote that Latin America begins in Despeñaperros(a canyon that is considered an entrance to Andalucia).
Anyway that is my opinion in regards to that topic. Also I forgot to mention the huge Aboriginal American and African influence in Spanish America.
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@ Jason
An interesting question. The people who tried to conceputalize “the West” have always struggled in placing Latin America. Leopold von Ranke (mid 19th century) consideres it Western, but he seemed to mostly think of the European emigrants, not American Indians or slaves and their descendents. Samual Huntington consideres it non-Western but it doesn’t fit his argument well and his reasoning is very superficial and unconvincing.
I wouldn’t consider Germany a core Western nation. The idea to do so is realtively new (post-WW2) and not (yet?) universal.
I know to little to about Spain to asses your claim that the north is more conservative and Western, but during the civil war Catalonia was the republican heartland and the South was quickly controlled by the Franquistas. Though I don’t know if thelatter was just a military development because their troops came there frist or if it was rooted in society.
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@Kartoffel
I am not familiar with Leopold von Ranke’s writings. I assume he was referring to the Latin American upper classes, Criollos. But I wonder how he defined the West? I suppose it was the stereotypical definition of the time. But if he did mean the Criollos then I guess he did have a point because even today in Latin America the members of the upper classes do try to be proper Europeans. But the Latin American commoners(plebe or plebeians as the upper classes called them) also are “Western” but they are “unorthodox”, they stray away from “proper” European Christian morality. I think something similar goes on in Black America as well. Black Americans are Westerners, in my opinion, but they are “unorthodox” because they descend, in part, from those English Christians who did not conform to what was considered proper English Christian behaviour. The key difference between Spanish America and Black America, other than the linguistic difference, is that racial separatism or segregation and anti miscegenation really is supported by a big majority of Anglo/White Americans. The pro miscegenation tendency is something you either find among some middle class White American intellectuals or poor, non racist White Americans. In Latin America there is discrimination but racial segregation or anti-miscegenation, especially among the commoners, will really have a lot going for it. Well that is my opinion I hope I don’t offend people, I know it sounds controversial.
I think you are correct about Germany, I should have put Western or Rhine Germany. Eastern Germany was never really influenced greatly by Roman culture and Eastern Germans were the first to convert to Protestantism. Core Europe is composed of France, Western Germany, Benelux, Northern Italy and England roughly.
Nationalism in Spain, from what I’ve read, has either an Ethnic or Civic/Liberal streak to it. The former is more prevalent in the north, it could either be focused on pro-Spanish or non/anti-Spanish. Chief examples are the Basques, their Nationalism tends to have a racist tone. CEDADE, a group of ethnic nationalists in Spain had its headquarters in Barcelona. Nationalism of the civic type is definetly more prevalent in the south and also in Spanish America. It was in Cadiz, Andalucia that Spain as a Nation State began really with the liberal Constitution of Cadiz.
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@Kartoffel
I meant to say “it will not have a lot going for it”.
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@ Jason
I tried to look up the Ranke qoutes I remember and the only one I found quickly was from 1824: “Actually New York and Lima concern us (Germans) more than Kiev or Smolensk.” (translation by me). If I remember correctly it was in the broader context of how he wanted to teach Germans to see themselves as part of a Western culture. He almost definitly only meant the European emigrants in the Americas (I’m not sure if he differantiated between Latin and Anglo-Saxon America, but probably not at the time). That seperates him from contemporary Western authors who write on Latin America. They seem to not differentiate between Latin Americans of European descent and those of Amerindian or African (Except perhaps the most radical racists). At least to my knowledge mainstream Western authors like Huntington don’t culturally differentiate between Argentinians (almost completly White) and Uruguayans (almost completly Amerindian). Though the Argentinians might do.
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While I agree with the result of your argument, I don’t think that WEstern Germany is more Western has anything to do with Catholicism or what ereas were controlled by the Romans. Eastern Germans weren’t the first to embrace Reformation but all of Germany did, but it was the South that was controlled by the Emperor who reintroduced Catholicism. If anything there is a negative corrolation. All the old bishop cities are on the left (Roman) side of the Rhine and because they disliked their Bishops they had a special incentive to emrace Protestantism.
I think that Western Germany is more Western resutls from the stronger influence France had over the area during the Early Modern period. But that influence ceased in the latter half of the 19th century and the difference between Eastern and Western Germany in this regard is mostly the result of the political seperation after WW2.
Overall I consider only UK (and its colonial Anglo-Saxon off-shoots), France and the Benelux to be core Western nations.
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Hispanics already think they are as white as fallen snow. A lot of them are mixing with white people to whiten their race. They even have a Spanish saying referring to and encouraging each other to do it. They feel that it is “bettering the race”. They, like many black people have a lot of self-esteem, self-hate and feel kids that look like them (lacking colored eyes, blonde or light hair, ECT Caucasian phenotypes) aren’t good enough in and of themselves. It is a dishonor to their ancestors. What is wrong with have dark hair, eyes, stereotypical Latino look? Every minority wants to be “white” since they can’t become white or pass they try to whiten their kids so they can pass as white and blend into a society where whites are the ruling upper class and the white aesthetic is cherished supreme as the ONLY standard of beauty.
So, yes that group of people are trying to make the next generations of their people white. They can never be so want to ensure their future offspring will be at least passable. Then say those mixed Hispanic offspring have a baby with someone who is white just like with blacks any Hispanic ethnic features/phenotypes will be diluted out by 3rd generation making the kid predominantly white. Asian, Indians, Hispanics, African Americans every one is trying to whiten their race.
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@ Abagond
Maybe extend Hispanic Heritage Month to the end of October?
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Update: Due to all the election-related posts I have wound up doing, I have extended the month to end on October 31st.
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Afrofem The more you think you know about history, is written by people who do not really know the history.
The more beatings, denials of liberty, living in poverty and all other negative aspects of the past are just repeated over and over louder and louder, yet they are never compared with the lives of others who lived during the same time
period.
Only so many words were written during the period of slavery and it has been covered over and over. The only thing different is some Black people are now reading what was written long ago.
During the period of the 1930’s educators spread out all over the south and interviews individuals who were slaves and others who had lived during the early period of Jim Crow. It is all there for you to read and hear the same way that I read it and heard it.
Please stop being so full of your self because you are now catching up with information that others have known for years.
Time marches on and people must change with time.
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@ Allen Shaw
“During the period of the 1930’s educators spread out all over the south and interviews individuals who were slaves and others who had lived during the early period of Jim Crow.”
You are correct about the interviews of former slaves in the 1930’s. I read a collection of those remembrances in the book, Bullwhip Days, edited by James Mellon.
It was a fascinating look into the everyday lives of our ancestors as they survived bondage:
☛long hours in the broiling hot sun on the cotton, sugarcane, tobacco, indigo and rice fields of the South.
☛tending gardens, hunting and fishing to supplement meager rations of cornmeal and salt pork.
☛performance quotas for every slave, even the infirm and new mothers.
☛running away and hiding in swamps, sometimes for years on end.
☛outdoor church services held under the watchful eye of overseers.
☛occasional barn dances with fiddling, dancing and singing contests.
The book consists of 29 life stories of former slaves collected by the Federal Writers Project between 1934 and 1941.
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One question, Allen Shaw. If you believe that “Time marches on and people must change with time”, why do think anti-Black racism continues to flourish in America? Why hasn’t that changed with time?
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Because just like there are prejudice White people there are prejudice Black people and thus each keeps feeding the hate of each other.
No matter how long life exist there will be individuals who find it necessary to hate someone else. Do you see the fighting going on among the Muslims? Do you see the problems that occur in Black Africa? What is the problem in all of the different parts of the world where there are no Blacks?
Racial hatred, Religious bigotry, ethnic fighting all going on; yet you only seem to see the problems in the United States.
It seems as though you are stuck on finding hateful White people instead of those who are not working against the Blacks. And you deny that any White people are attempting to do any good for Blacks.
It is not helpful to say that all white people are bad or prejudice and it is not a true statement.
Please remember I have already been called a house nigger so do not bother to call me one again unless you just like to say it.
Once again in spite of all of the success of Blacks this site continues to harp on the problems associated with those Blacks who are not progressing. Yet I have not yet read of any solution which will help a person who does no want to or cannot learn and make it apply to the masses. Individuals can be helped; however the masses cannot be changed by any one program.
Come up with a workable solution!
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@Allen Shaw
What solutions (series of programs) would you propose for the masses of Black people?
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I am satisfied that the problem lies with those who do not take advantage of the programs that are available.
Do not be so sensitive about my term “masses” because when you look at the volume of individuals today who are unemployable because they will not get up and go to the schools to learn.
Each time I comment about a solution I get an echo; however no real response to my comments.
Why would you ask me for a solution, when it is you who is crying about how White people hate Black people.
In areas where there are high volumes of unemployment in the past people picked up their belongings and moved to a more profitable area. Large numbers of individuals moved from the south to the north. Farmers learned how to work on the assembly lines. Now Hispanics are doing the work that used to be done by Blacks. Why?
Remember before you send back an echo of what I say try to think of something that might be useful.
Someone ask me if I thought the Jews should forget their past. I do not believe anyone should allow their past to cripple their future. First the Jews are an ethnic group of individuals who have both a common religion and ancestry and also they are one of the most productive group of individuals.
The Black individuals who live in the United States are a small part of a much larger racial group of individual who have multiple religions, believes and actually are spread out all over the globe. The have very different stories to tell and all have suffered the same types of destructive behavior. Some have moved forward and other have fallen behind.
The number of success stories of Blacks in the United States proves that when one apply effort to themselves they can succeed. Be they laborers, administrators or any other skill Blacks have moved upward in large “masses”. Yes once again I used the word “masses” for your sensitive eyes to read.
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@Allen Shaw
the problem lies with those who do not take advantage of the programs that are available.
Can you list three programs you believe are most helpful?
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Afrofem No I cannot and it would not make any difference if I were to list 200, you would still find some way to cry out “disadvantage – White Hate”.
You are determine to believe what you believe and like so many others use lack of opportunity and White hate for all Black problems.
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@Allen Shaw
“You are determine to believe what you believe…”
It seems that you are describing yourself and your own mindset.
Your inability to answer straightforward questions about “your White folks” may be an indication that they are not so good after all. Otherwise you would be able to cite chapter and verse the good they supposedly do for others.
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Afrofem So your theory is that the White folks is responsible for the Black folks. I have not said anything about what White folks have or have not done. i said over time many programs have been brought forward and not taken advantage of.
The government is not White, the government is the government.
You are a constant complainer, expecting others to help when all you can do is talk about the past. Every tub must set on it own bottom and not expect other tubs to hold them up or to pick them up.
You need to get over your thinking that someone is going to do something for someone else.
You are correct I cannot think of one gift that is given that is appreciated.
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Did Afrofem claim she was looking for ‘handouts’, and by extension did anyone here? You are despicably obtuse. I don’t think anyone here is looking for ‘handouts’.
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“You need to get over your thinking that someone is going to do something for someone else.”
Isn’t this what government is all about? Someone doing something for someone else?
Isn’t that one of the founding blocks of civilization?
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@Allen Shaw
You may be grateful groveling to White people for their “programs”. You may continue to bash Black people who are aware of what this country truly owes Black people. You may denigrate those Black people who are willing to struggle to achieve what we have already paid for with blood, labor and sacrifice.
I am not. I fully subscribe to the words and sentiment of Frederick Douglass in his 1857 West India Emancipation speech. To me, his words are as relevant now as 159 years ago. As long as the struggle continues, Douglass’ words ring true through the decades:
http://www.blackpast.org/1857-frederick-douglass-if-there-no-struggle-there-no-progress
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Herneith What did she mean when she ask what has the White done for the Black?
Solitaire the government offers programs which all individuals are able to take advantage of.
Afrofem The slaves of yesterday paid a price, yes and it was a terrible price; however “your tub” must set on its own bottom. You get no free ride because of the contributions of your ancestors. They expected that you would bone up and get with the program. They volunteered to serve in the Civil War and every war since. They added to the upward mobility of our nation as soon as they were freed from slavery without one word of pay back. Now over 150 years later you are looking for a hand out.
If you are educated help some one who is not. If you are successful help someone who is not. If you are not educated or successful get to the local school and start to learn how to learn which will enable you to earn.
The government is not something that does anything for any single person. So stop looking at the government like it is an it.
“You may be grateful groveling to White people for their “programs.”
I have worked my life and without a doubt benefited from more than one government program and you are totally correct I am thankful for each and every one of them; however I am unaware of groveling to anyone. You believe that you somehow are different then others. you probably have taken advantage of the programs and now you want to belittle the programs so others will not take advantage of them.
“We must do this by labor, by suffering, by sacrifice, and if needs be, by our lives and the lives of others”
And the former slaves did pay with their lives fighting for the union during the Civil War and not to be redundant every war since.Today Blacks are among the leaders of the military and they have been every since General Benjamin O. Davis Sr.
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@Allen Shaw
You and I both know this discussion is not about government programs. This is about the White majority in this country (and globally) enjoying a high standard of living at the expense of everyone else. Black labor and the wealth it creates for White dominated businesses, governments and individuals is never acknowledged or respected—-simply taken.
According to you, “Every tub must set on it own bottom and not expect other tubs to hold them up or to pick them up.” If only that were true in real life. For centuries, the Black “tub” has been holding up other people’s “tubs”. All we get in return is a lot of lecturing, finger wagging, disinvestment and outright theft from the people in the other “tubs”.
You know you have a weak set of arguments—-rants, really. That would explain your extreme reluctance to engage in a well researched and honest discussion. If you choose to continue with your worldview, so be it. In my opinion, that worldview has little to do with the lived reality of the majority of Black people.
Allen Shaw, I’m signing off here. You can box with your shadow from now on.
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“For centuries, the Black “tub” has been holding up other people’s “tubs”.
Please explain this remark. How is it possible for the Black “tub” to hold up anything when the majority are in one part of the nation and the large metropolitan areas. Please study a population map sometimes.
That is just a fallacy of thinking. You are jumping back to slavery which ended over 150 years ago.
Oh by the way I noticed that you said good bye and you were signing off and dismissing me as insignificant because I do not agree with you.
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” You are despicably obtuse. ”
Hence his dubbed nom de plume – Mister Bobble Potato Head … or BPH for short!
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@Allen Shaw: Afrofem was right to dismiss you as insignificant because with all your self righteous posturing pulling one self up by the bootstraps nonsense it’s patently obvious you are not only absurdly obtuse but you are a pathetic bootlicker it’s so disgusting. With that being said you are derailing the thread with your anti-black foolishness that has nothing to do with Hispanic Heritage Month. You need to work harder and do better.
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Mary Burrell Dear Mary you dismissed me last year when I suggested that people should do “hard work”. Don’t you remember?
You have a different view about life than me, consequently what you say has no bearing on any thing I say.
I am a voice of decent on your pure site telling you that the more you complain the worse off things get. Thanks for the compliment.
Your voice should be one of encouraging one to educate themselves and work hard seeking a better life.
I believe if you go back to the beginning of this conversation I responded to someone
Sep 16 Allen Shaw
Keep it positive.
Try not to relive the past
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Sticks and stones may hurt my back; but names will never hurt me.
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I don’t know about being a voice of dissent. more along the lines of kerchief headism. It has nothing to do with ‘living’ in the past, it has to do with the ramification of such actions perpetrated on a people. It has nothing to do with ideology either.
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Sticks and stones may hurt my back; but names will never hurt me.
How about this: Sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me!
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A study of the history of the world from 1400 until 1940s shows cruelty that whips seems mild.
If a person keeps their sight on one small portion of the world and ignores the balance of the world anything they speak of will be distorted.
I am unaware of any place in the United States today that whips and chains are acceptable. Could you provide me with such information? Or are you referring to the days before the Civil War which have come and gone?
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“I am unaware of any place in the United States today that whips and chains are acceptable. Could you provide me with such information? ”
Your rose-colored bubble lifestyle’s disjointed Point of View is showing yet again
That’s why you have a new name… because you’re apparently grossly unaware of so many things. For instance, the US has greatly progressed (if you can call torture a progression) from whippings to water-boarding. They even hire specialists & sub-contractors in other countries to do much of this immoral and dirty work for them. What occurred in Cuba’s Guantanamo Bay, a once popular US occupied terror-tory, is well documented. Even a bobble-potato head should know of this! Or know that anyone can be assassinated or disappeared indefinitely without benefit of due process/open court trials by people in high places.
This will be the last time I’ll provide you with any requested information seeing how YOU regularly refuse to answer the simple inquiries commenters here ask you.
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Oh I see, even though waterboarding has been declared illegal by this administration, you want to go back to the past.
I doubt if you even know what waterboarding is. You are searching for some way to imply that the problems of Blacks has something to do with the war on terror.
By the way it is a small mind that believes that they can impact someone by calling them a name.
All you have to do is provide some relevant facts about Blacks that is occurring today and not 150 years ago or against middle eastern individuals who may be hostile to this nation.
Explain why so many Blacks cannot read and comprehend when they have Black teachers and are in Black schools in Black neighborhoods which they refuse to leave.
Explain why Blacks are reluctant to want to learn new things which may help them progress.
If you deny my above statements provide facts.
You want me to answer what questions specifically. I have not seen any questions.
Finally, it is very difficult for Blacks to compete today. Basic labor is being performed by those individuals who are from outside this nation. Jobs that Blacks had like roofing, carpentry, brick laying and butchering seem to be to difficult or underpaid for Blacks. Failing to pass test is a major problem preventing Blacks from progressing. Blacks are concentrated in the southeast which is the poorest part of the United States and opportunities are limited. The same applies to the major metropolitan areas where they are consolidated into the poorest and most disadvantaged part of the community. Efforts to have them join the main work force become extremely difficult.
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“By the way it is a small mind that believes that they can impact someone by calling them a name.”
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The conscious people here already know that nothing can be said or done that might impact you. (More than a few have tried to reason with you, to no avail!) People who peer through cracked rose colored lenses can’t experience epiphanies as can forward practical honest thinkers. Their views are skewed and distorted – terribly out of proportion from the reality conscious people experience… like your implying that only middle eastern people have been deemed terrorists! A significant part of the Black problem has to do with people like you – living life in a fog of half-truths and delusions. Why do you resist the people’s efforts to help you??
Your nom de plume is more of a description of your personal condition than it is a mere name. After all, bobbling potato heads can’t be and refuse to be intellectually challenged as demonstrated time after time after time.
The people here were talking sense to you, but you refuse to hear it.
Seems to me that you’re exactly like those Blacks YOU see as a lost cause.
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