Black privilege means those special rights and advantages blacks enjoy just for being born black!
Some examples from Twitter in 2013:
Trudy @thetrudz 26 Apr 2013, USA
#blackprivilege is knowing how caring Whites will inform you that “not all whites are like that” ON THE HOUR. They care about our memory!
Kokujin @Kaibutsu 25 Dec 2013, USA
@MentalOrgasm #WhatIsBlackPrivilege The ability to always have a store employee nearby – looking right around the corner.
Mychal Denzel Smith @mychalsmith 26 Apr 2013, USA
#BlackPrivilege is always having room on the sidewalk. Thanks to every single person who ever thought I was going to rob them.
The Negress @ericabrazelton 26 Apr 2013, USA
#BlackPrivilege is when you move into a suburb and whites immediately move out so you can have it all to yourself!
Zerlina Maxwell @ZerlinaMaxwell 26 Apr 2013, USA
RT @DoTPeRioD: #blackprivilege the self esteem boost you get when people are REALLY impressed that you speak ‘properly’.
Camara Mpinduzi @Pundit_AcadEMIC 26 Apr 2013, USA
#BlackPrivilege is having White men consistently tell me they want me to be the first BW they’re “with”! What an honor!
Atlegang Shole @JinJa_Shole 25 Dec 2013, South Africa
RT @QueenAraweelo: #WhatIsBlackPrivilege Having the superpower as a black woman to be both fetishised and undesirable all at the same time.
Baeroy Lindo @KayJayFDU 24 Dec 2013, USA
#WhatisBlackPrivilege Our Sistas being called ghetto for their B-Girl style, yet when a white girl jacks it, she’s called edgy.
♥Joyism♥ @LadyJUniQue 25 Dec 2013, USA
Being a part of the only group of people who is told that the way their hair grows naturally is unprofessional #WhatIsBlackPrivilege
Brotha Wolf @BrothaJamesWolf 27 Apr 2013, USA
#blackprivilege is to have people tell you “It’s just TV” but the same people will use it as a source as to how black people are.
Yemeya y Shango @MentalOrgasm 25 Dec 2013, USA
#WhatisBlackPrivilege Affirmative action helped White fem more than ANY minority yet it’s condemned for “reverse discriminaton” agnst Whites
Charlene Carruthers @CharleneCac 27 Apr 2013, USA
#BlackPrivilege is supporting a political party (and candidates) year after year, AND not “being owed” anything.
D.I.Y Beats™ @Diy_bEatZ 25 Dec 2013, USA
#WhatisBlackPrivilege having your mayor and school district shutdown 23 schools because of no money but then build a prison
Jane Doe, MD @DrJaneChi 26 Apr 2013, USA
——> RT @jordanbks: #blackprivilege is always meeting the police description
Baby Huey….Newton @the_illist_95 24 Dec 2013, USA
#WhatIsBlackPrivilege being stopped& frisked down the street from your home cuz you &your friends stole a car even though y’all were walking
Son of Baldwin @SonofBaldwin 26 Dec 2013 2013, USA
#WhatIsBlackPrivilege Using drugs at the same rate (or less) as white people, but being 4 times as likely to get arrested for it.
Friday Foster @MinoWarrior 25 Dec 2013, USA
#WhatIsBlackPrivilege The fact a whopping 63% of the prisoners freed by the Innocence Project are African American.#TheNewJimCrow
Mack Lyons @DDSSBlog 26 Apr 2013, USA
RT @PupsherLive: #blackprivilege is being shot by cops 41 times while pulling out your wallet to show ID. #Diallo
INegro Montoya @AnimainSparkstr 24 Dec 2013
#WhatIsBlackPrivilege having to rely on social media to spread the word abt the murder of ur ppl bcuz the mainstream media doesn’t care.
Source: Twitter: #WhatIsBlackPrivilege, #blackprivilege (2013). Country of origin comes either from the person’s profile or from the thing they are talking about.
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Heh, how do i get on this list? I would like to give my example of “black privilege” ^_^
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Excellent!!
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#Blackprivilege is being the largest recipients of welfare, the largest population of people behind bars and the number one reason whites get passed over for jobs, simultaneously!!!
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@ strangevisitor72
Get your facts straight, pull your head out your arse and cry me a river, simultaneously!!!
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Black privilege is when a white women like Justine Sacco tweets publically:
going to africa. Hope i dont get aids. Just kidding. Im white!
And when she got fired, white people turn it around on black people as being twitter bullies for condemning her.
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@strangevisitor72
Your list has been thoroughly debunked ten times over on this site lol.
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#Blackprivilege Having a police escort after buying a luxury item.
#Blackprivilege Having the ability to morph any small black object into a gun
#Blackprivilege Having a personal police escort in a wealthy white neighborhood
#Blackprivilege Having friendly conversations with whites about your job when you fly first class
#Blackprivilege write the words Affirmative Action on your resume and get a job, college enrollment or promotion, instantly.
#Blackprivilege not having long hours as an actor because you will die first.
#Blackprivilege having the comedic roles in movies or TV shows.
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Being a part of the only group of people who is told that the way their hair grows naturally is unprofessional
I dont understand this one.
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Omnipresent
“Being a part of the only group of people who is told that the way their hair grows naturally is unprofessional
I don’t understand this one.”
You wouldn’t understand, which is no surprise as a white person.
Interesting that you would pass over the examples that you, “do understand” and not even bother to acknowledge those with some sort of affirmation but find one that you claim to, “Don’t understand”.
This is a classic example of why white people, come to this blog, just to belittle and troll black members, not for any real dialog or understanding.
White people always are looking for something and someone black to challenge on this blog. This is why i have always said, its a waste of time, explaining, talking too and arguing with white people on this blog.
They have no intention of listening, talking and taking anything black people say, seriously.
Maybe if you were Time wise……perhaps.
Black folks on this blog need to be more concerned with patching up the rift between ourselves, than with white people that pretend to want to make things better with black people.
black people seem to never learn from our mistakes from the past…..trusting and putting too much faith in white people.
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Abagond
Can you let my comment go through – I have moderated my previous post but really dont care to censor it at all.
sondis
F*ck off and dont try to give me a hard time. Btw, I dont recall ever telling you what race I was. If you cant be bothered to give me an explanation then fine but dont try to attribute it to some tenous ‘reasoning’ when you know f*ck all about me.
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Being told that our natural hair is unprofessional. I think our natural blackness period intimidates non black people.
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Natural hair, braids, locs and twists are deemed unprofessional in the workplace in corporate America.
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And sondis
White people always are looking for something and someone black to challenge on this blog. This is why i have always said, its a waste of time, explaining, talking too and arguing with white people on this blog.
Honestly? Or is this just b0llocks for an excuse? Most people on here do not ‘engage’ with white commenters who come on here saying negative things, they CHALLENGE them.
What you have said sounds like a cop out to me. No-one is expecting you to ‘reason’ with people like that – that is pointless but, on my short time on this blog, you seem to have spent more time arguing with PoC than anything.
Having spent time on this blog, I dont think I have posted anything to warrant this kind of comment from you – none at all. I dont care what race you think I am either, look at my posting commentary to try and gauge what kind of person I am and then respond in kind to that – that is fair enough but not how you have done it.
I am too long in the tooth to take your brand of Bull$hit and, having seen the way that posts you are involved with degenerate, I would prefer that you do not direct any comments to me OR comment on anything I say – In other words, P1ss off.
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mary burrell:
Natural hair, braids, locs and twists are deemed unprofessional in the workplace in corporate America.
Thank you Mary for this – I am not sure about the workplace but in school there can be this stigma too. There was a story about a boy who was told that he couldnt attend the school if he had locs. There is also an outcry if boys get patterns in their head. Hairstyling is a form of personal expression and I understand why people try different styles to suit their hair/face/mood etc, particularly when they are young and are in a school where they are all in uniform.
Just the same as the style of hair does not affact the ability to apply yourself academically this also is the same in work. When the heck are people going to learn this.
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^^^
I meant to say ‘I am not sure about the workplace in the UK, I have not seen/heard this’ but in school there can be this stigma too.
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@Omnipresent: There was a huge brouhaha here in America with several students in schools here were they were told there natural hair styles were not in keeping with the schools policies, this from the school administrator, who was African American, and she was wearing a hideous synthetic curly afro wig. That was crazy, after the story made the news media, they revised the policy about natural hair styles worn in school. How does that affect the student’s learning?
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I love Zerlina Maxwell’s tweet about having a boost in self esteem when white’s learn that a black person is articulate. But that is the way many white people judge and stereotype all black people, they think every black person speaks ebonics. Like that stupid tweet comedian Steve Martin tweeted, this past week and had to apologize for.
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#whatisblackprivilege Expecting to be the collective voice of black people when you are the only black person present. Being called racist for pointing out racism. Having random white people come up to you asking why black people do this or that. Having to see, hear, and read constantly how black women are the worst creatures to ever roam the earth, even from black men.
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@cleonette
*applause
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@cleonett: Slows claps. I like that.
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cleonette
This is what I was trying to point out to commenter dave on the Knockout Games post
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@Omnipresent
I think a lot of things said go over Dave’s head simply because he wants them to. I used to think that if I explain enough to him he would get it, but over time I simply realized that I was wasting my breathe because he really didn’t want to get it. This is true for most if not all trolls on this blog.
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wow some great tweets on there. #whatisblackprivilege being the last ones hired and the first fired, being neglected after katrina and shot by the police.
#whatisblackprivilege being killed by police and nobody goes to prison for ur murder because black life isn’t worth spit.
or being demonized and told u caused ur own murder.
#blackprivilege is when u get executed for a crime u didn’t commit or get locked up for a long time for a crime u didn’t commit.
# blackprivilege is having a poll asking whether to call u a dehumanizing word or african american
#blackprivilege is having studies done about u every year saying how ugly or undesirable u are
#blackprivilege is being called a thug for walking home or the way u dress
#blackprivilege is being told u are pretty for a black girl
#blackprivilege is being mistaken for another black person even if they are of another gender.
#blackprivilege is having ur culture jacked and u not getting the credit for it.
#blackprivilege is having ur history remade and watereddown
#blackprivilege is having security at ur schools and being treated like a criminal
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sharina
Honestly, I think it is naivetee at times and wilful ignorance at others. I KNOW he gets it on one level but he is not honest about his posting because on a deeper level he knows that his approach is wrong.
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Fixed it for you.
“Having to see, hear, and read constantly how black women are the worst creatures to ever roam the earth, even from *STUPID* black men.”
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@mstoogood4yall: Excellent points, welcome back. Missed you.
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Hey ms mary i missed u too i was out of town for the holiday. so how was ur holiday?
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@Mstoogood4yall: It was fine.
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Blacks have no privileges in this filthy country! Let’s be real here, all we go through is racism and stereotypes in this country that continues to oppress us endlessly.
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#blackprivilege is having rappers and sellouts speak for ur race, ignorant rapper/sellout : “oh yes sir i wants to be called a n!qq4.” white media: ” breaking news blacks want us to start calling them n1qq2.”
#blackprivilege is being looked at as cool, sex object, materialistic, but not looked at as a human with dreams, love, family, and values.
#blackprivilege is being manipulated and used by everybody and told to shutup about it
#blackprivilege is having ur own crime category
#blackprivilege is having the news report a criminal is black when they are not
#blackprivilege is having to create hashtags to educate people on their ignorance then when that hashtag gets used alot the media focues on whites using the hashtage and don’t mention u.
#whatisblackprivilege having ur hair and body touched as if u are still on the auction block
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lol @ King! Thank you sir!
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King:
“Having to see, hear, and read constantly how black women are the worst creatures to ever roam the earth, even from black men.”
Fixed it for you.
“Having to see, hear, and read constantly how black women are the worst creatures to ever roam the earth, even from *STUPID* black men.”
King, this generalizing of black men goes on this blog so much, you would have to ,”fix” every comment, when regarding something being said about anything, then the black men trope being thrown in for the hell of it.
Nothing seems to be said by black women on this blog, without adding in, “black men” into whatever is being talked about. Not, “some” black men”, as to not clump all black men, together. It seems to be left like that on purpose.
Then someone like yourself or me, has to come and point it out.
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Adeen:
“Blacks have no privileges in this filthy country! Let’s be real here, all we go through is racism and stereotypes in this country that continues to oppress us endlessly.”
You speak words of wisdom…. -_-
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@Omnipresent
But that is one thing I learned from watching linda’s exchanges. They know more of what they are doing than some of us are willing to give them credit for. Though I agree with your assessment of Dave.
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@mstoogood4yall
So good to have your wise words grace the blog again.
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Cute.
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Causing death treats against the joker if you have evidence of “humoristic racism” against you and publish it? Or is that something only happening to guys with cousins in politics?
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@ sharina
aw thanks
@ omnipresent
it is good u admit when u don’t know, the reason natural hair is called unprofessional is because whites don’t really like hiring blacks anyway and when they do they want a certain kind of black person. they want a certain kind of black person that isn’t so threatening and they don’t feel challenged by. natural haired black people are stereotyped as being militant or anti white just because we choose not to obey the european standard of beauty which is straight hair. so by not conforming it is a slap in the face to them. i’ve seen alot of news articles where whites fire black managers and replaced them with white ones or lighter skinned ones. or where they fire natural haired people wearing dreadlocks, cornrows, or afros. there was even an article where they told the woman to cut her dreadlocks or be fired, and made a new hair policy AFTER she was hired.
they focus on small things to get people fired that they don’t want there in the first place.
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@ mary
i did not hear about steve martin tweet, smh i knew he was shady when i saw that dumb movie bringing down the house then he must have thought he got a pass to say things. i looked up his tweet and smh .
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@mstoogood4yall: I am so sick of all these fake apologies when these stupid people tweet these offensive things, this is how these people feel in their minds and hearts. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
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mstoogood4yall
they want a certain kind of black person that isn’t so threatening and they don’t feel challenged by. natural haired black people are stereotyped as being militant or anti white just because we choose not to obey the european standard of beauty which is straight hair.
This is messed up and beyond ridiculous. Hair is part of individual expression imo and does not reflect a persons capabilities. I think natural hair is beautiful on women. I am always amazed at the intracacies and styles that women have, fascinating stuff. I used to wear an earring and my then boss a couple of years later confessed that I wasnt his first choice at interview because of this, in fact, his assistant at the time was the one who went to bat for me! I appreciate that this is in now way the same as wearing what someone was naturally born with but it is an example of being ‘judged’ on another personal level.
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This had the potential to be a great thread; however, Abagond allows a specific troll to derail the entire thing once again.
@King, Omnipresent and Mary–great comments.
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@phobeprunelle: Thank you.
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Steve Martin has been skating on thin ice with black America for decades – did no one see his 1979 movie “The Jerk”? He is a symptom (symbol maybe) of white liberal America that has been conning black people for decades. American blacks would do better dealing with the Klan because the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t.
Great list on this post by the way. Some are quite humorous, others are kind of sad. I’m sorry you experience this in your own home towns.
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Looking it up Steve Martins Joke was to some one asking him if “lasania” was the correct way to spell a word.
He said “It depends are you in an African-american neighborhood or an Italian restaurant?”
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@ mary
rofl the apologies are the best part, they are the funniest thing to me. I am sorry i offended anybody. I apologize deeply and sincerly for my mistake, oh let me bore u with the reason why i said what i said in the first place.
They are sorry alright, they are some sorry mofo that are apologizing to save their career.
in other news isn’t it funny how c4ker barrel pulled the duck dynasty guys products but after being threatened to be boycotted by the loyal duck dynasty fans they changed their mind and apologized
“When we made the decision to remove and evaluate certain Duck Dynasty items, we offended many of our loyal customers. Our intent was to avoid offending, but that’s just what we’ve done.
You told us we made a mistake. And, you weren’t shy about it. You wrote, you called and you took to social media to express your thoughts and feelings. You flat out told us we were wrong.
We listened.
Today, we are putting all our Duck Dynasty products back in our stores.
And, we apologize for offending you.
We respect all individuals [sic] right to express their beliefs. We certainly did not mean to have anyone think different [sic]”.
oh rofl now aren’t they the same company that had discrimination lawsuits. yet they want to try to check somebody else, plz they need to sit down. and rofl they have duck dynasty stuff in their restaurants well that should tell us who eats there.
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@mstoogood4yall: It’s all about the money, they are not caring about offending people.
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i’ll add #blackprivilege is when u get to hear lame ars apologies all the time and the person giving the apology is more convinced they are sorry than the people they offended. keep the apology to urself because that apology is not for us but for u to save face and reassure urself that u are not a racist.
Now a real apology is like this, feel free to copy as i know that is what u racists do anyways. uhu hum *clears throat* i apologize for being racist, i will work on it and i am sorry i offended u and i didn’t recognize it was offensive because i am not around a diverse group of people. I thought my one (insert non white race) friend was a spokesperson for everybody of their whole race and they let some of the offensive things i said slide, so i thought i was down. U don’t have to forgive me but i need to get it off my chest, feel free to tell me how i made u feel i want to know and please offer suggestions on how to correct this behavior and let me know when i am offensive.
If u don’t know how to apologize then how in the world have u survived this long especially if u are a man. yall should be used to this by now. baby i’m sorry, women can tell when u are not being sincere and dangit so can black ppl. that bs of sorry black ppl don’t work. say what u did , say that u said something racist don’t sugarcoat it use the r word, here say it with me racist. now once you’ve mastered that you’re halfway there , oh oh living on a prayer take my hand we’ll make it i swear.
next step is really meaning it, u have to feel it, if u are like the tin man and don’t have a heart then feel it in ur gut pretend somebody punched u. then say i am sorry the more heartfelt words the better but don’t make it a long arse apology nobody wants to hear about ur dam dead dog, or somebody dying, or blaming it on the a a a alcohol.
finally write ur own apology don’t get ur publicist to do it and don’t ask ur token friend hey how does this sound is this good.
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@ mary
yeah money. but i know dam well the main reason they stopped putting his stuff on their shelves was because he offended the gay community. i hope the gays boycott them. i know they don’t care about offending black ppl because they can get away with it and not many go to their restaurant anyways, i know i never have, the name alone is enough for me to stay away.
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#blackprivilege is never having the chance to rest and relax because you have been drown in negative influence of another ethnic group.
#blackprivilege is hearing a racist joke and having to hear oh I am sorry I forgot you were here.
#blackprivilege is being asked if the size of you member is abnormally big.
#blackprivilege is hoping that your kids can stay a innocent about racism just a little bit longer than they believe in Santa.
#blackprivilege is having to tell your preteen son to watch out because this place fears him above all else.
#blackprivilege is having to be better than superman just not to get in trouble.
#blackprivilege means trying to give your daughter a positive self image in an ugly world for black women.
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@gen and phillyrider my comment was drawing attention to three “statistics” that are diametrically opposed. In other words, how can all three be true??? If I didn’t convey my thought concisely enough for you to get that I’m Black and proud, excuse moi!!!
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@Omnipresent,
What folks above said about the hair issue is true but, I think there should be a nuance added for full clarification. It’s not all naturally growing black hair styles that were/are deemed “unprofessional” by our corporate overlords. For example, when most black folks (men and women) were rocking fros’ in the 70s they still were getting jobs and even today I don’t think there’s much issues with fros’.
I think when the mostly longer styles of natural hair came into fashion, particularly braids, dreds and even some short twists, was when the corporate overlords started to really bark. But even that has softened a bit and is more industry dependent than anything now. For example, you could probably wear almost any hairstyle in academia, advertising/marketing and media but not so much in say corporate law or investment banking.
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@strangevisitor72: Thanks for clearing that up.
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@ks: I remember reading back in 2012 that Hampton University had a ban on natural hair styles in their school of business.
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No problem, Mary Burrell I’ve been here for 4+ years. I recognize you as a regular commenter and one whose responses I look forward to reading. (End of sucking up) LOL. 🙂
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@mary burrell
Wasn’t there also some recent controversy over natural hair as well?
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ks
I think when the mostly longer styles of natural hair came into fashion, particularly braids, dreds and even some short twists, was when the corporate overlords started to really bark.
Ok, thanks for that. It is still crazy to me that this could make people take issue enough with individuals not to hire them because of their hairstyle.
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@mary burrell,
Not for the students, right? As far as staff, that’s silly especially for a black school. They seem to be trying to mimic conservative business style. Why don’t they make them wear suits and ties too? lol. But I’d be surprised if they included shorter natural styles in their stupid ban. Those kind of things tend to target certain longer hairstyles.
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@strangevisitor72: You are very kind.
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@ks: I think it was the students.
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@Sharina: Yes, there was a controversy, the little girl in Tulsa with the dreds. The school didn’t want her wearing the dreds, they said that it was unkempt. It was a lot of foolishness.
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Sondis
How are you? I am good.
@Mary, Sharina & Mstoogood4yall
Anyways White don’t want us wearing our natural hair or loving each other. That frightens them and hurts their ego that they are the best thing to walk on two legs. Of course, it is less likely that White owned corporations would hire a Black person who wears their natural hair. They don’t want us to stand up against them or their racist, oppressive system so they hire people who wear Eurocentric hairstyles. To them, wearing natural hair means you are making a political statement .
Worst of all, even our own people discourage us from wearing natural hair too. They would tell us that our natural hair is ugly or unkempt. I think our hatred of our natural hair started with slavery where we were told that everything about us was wrong and nasty including our natural hair. Sadly many Blacks have passed down the hatred for their own natural hair from one generation to another thus many of us hate our own natural hair. To many Black people, wearing your natural hair means that your hair wouldn’t look presentable to the public.
These negative views of natural hair leads to incidents where a little girl had to go home because the school didn’t allow her to wear dreadlocks or when a news reporter, Rhona Lee was fired over comments about her natural short hair.
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@ mary burrell,
The students!? That’s even dumber. As I said, I think their biz school is trying to mimic corporate biz culture particularly finance and law. Imo, that’s way too early for such nonsense but overall, that’s probably more the exception than the rule in academia. Thankfully so.
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Depressing realisation of the day:
Most white people won’t get most of the examples. They’ll think it’s some kind of joke to laugh at. You know, black wit or something.
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@Buddhuu
You care what Whites thinks of us? This blog is for Blacks and other minorities to talk about issues that affect us. I don’t see why Whites even come on blogs like this. It wasn’t made for them.
And no, Black privilege doesn’t exist but White privilege sure does exist!
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“Then someone like yourself or me, has to come and point it out.”
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LOL! OMG the irony! You’re a major offender in the ‘Black women aint sh1t’ line of BS. Recall that It was you who introduced and insisted on maintaining the *NBW* brand of racio-misogyny to “this very blog”.
You, sondis, are the one that not only hates all whites but BP as well. You work under the delusion that BW and BP in general owe you something and that they are to blame for you inability to hold onto a job. In your delusional state, it is successful BW’s fault that you are a failure job-wise because they would not risk their own reputation and career by “putting in a good word” for the likes of you. It’s time for you to be an adult, put on your big boy pants and let go of mama’s teat for once.
And, in case you weren’t aware, YOU are one of those “STUPID Black men” mentioned in that comment.
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Is “Black Privilege” something that is a major problem? No imo. But is it as laughable as some of the examples listed.. hell no. I think when you put it against successful white americans then it is very trivial. But if you put it against other oppressed groups like Native Americans and people from Appalachia, they might have some beef.
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I always that that was strange how schools were up in peoples head, like a told my principal when I was kid. “If he was so concern about my hair why could he pay the money it cost for the hair-cut he wanted. I am saving my money for Space Camp.”
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@Buddhuu
And there are examples from said white commenters that served as live examples for your point. All of which took it as a laughable joke
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@Pay it Forward
And it is that type of irony that I have learned to just scroll past. LOL
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:But if you put it against other oppressed groups like Native Americans and people from Appalachia, they might have some beef.”
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Yep, they “might have some beef” but it still isn’t with Blacks. Nice try..
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I dunno dave, For example a White Appalachian can still leave the mountains, shave his ZZ Top beard, go to school, and in most circles, he wouldn’t have many barriers. But a Black person cannot simply leave his or her blackness.
Native Americans? Well, that might be a better case, but you also have to throw in the ‘Indian Casino’s’ and the “Nobility of the Red Man” meme. Many Whites claim to be 1/8th native, but you have VERY few claiming to be 1/8th Black. And although there are plenty of Indian Reservations that are certainly as bad or worse than Black ghettos, you very rarely hear of Whites complaining about Red people and their high crime rates and poor living conditions.
It might just be a draw if anything, when it comes to Native Americans.
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I hear you on that King. My thing with the people of appalachia is that they get walked on some with no activists or whistle blowers giving them help. Why should they have to leave their land?
If a mining or coal company walks all over federal regulations because they have a local judge in their pocket it has nothing to do with “black privilege.” In fact some of those people are probably related or neighbors with the ones they are hurting.. I get that. It might be more of a class thing. Like the widening gap between the rich and the poor.
Seems to me if all those people were black there might be more civil rights lawyers getting involved.. that’s all I’m saying.
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@King
Maybe; but they would have to relearn their mannerisms and different social graces. Plus catch up on a lot of school learning to try and stay competitive.
And economically speaking; the scotch-irish people do tend to exist on the same level as the African-american population.
But it would certainly be easier for them to assimilate into society than for a black person from the Appalachia’s.
Native American’s probably come out on top of the oppression olympics all the same hassles with the police but notably more poverty stricken, their women get raped at insane levels by white men and all the various cultural indoctrination in regards to white beauty standards, values etc….basically they have all the problems African-Americans have but at even worse levels.
People claim to be “1/8th” Indian so they can feel some kind of legitimate claim to being in the US or assuage their white guilt.
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Shouldn’t there be a “People of Appalachia college fund?” Or even better how about the flow of “legal” pain pills flowing in that region. If you get hooked shaving your beard might not help.
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I’m just being real with this peops. I think it is a fair way to look at it rather than making fun of people down and out no matter what color.
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Pay it Forward:
Sorry, i don’t respond to racist white people like you.
Sharina:
I don’t respond to ignorant, black men haters like you.
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@ Pay it forward
When did you become white?
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Actually, Dave there IS an Appalachian College Fund, of sorts. There are several schools that offer free or extremely low tuition to the region’s inhabitants, as well as special programs dedicated specifically to Appalachian residents at many other schools throughout the US, particularly in states like West Virginia, Virginia, the Carolinas, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Ohio.
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Shouldn’t there be a “People of Appalachia college fund?”
http://www.berea.edu/appalachian-fund/
http://www.acaweb.org/programs-services/students/scholarship-funding
I didn’t want the go into moderation so I only put in two links… I could have given you a page of them though. You just don’t hear it talked about as much, that’s all.
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Abagond I prefer if you delete the comment in moderation. It is better to stick to me scrolling past comedic posts such as sondis’ s.
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Great topic!
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Yeah, i was thinking the same about Sharina’s ignorants and ignorant comments, too.
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@sondis
Considering you don’t think I highly don’t you were doing much of that, but here is some advice….if you are not going to comment to me then don’t but making a scene in the childish sense only serves to paint you as exactly the individual you claim everyone to be and you not to be. Personally I find you highly delusional, but not in the mood to dive into that.
Good night.
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Back on topic….black privilege: being asked if your kids have the same father.
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Correction doubt*
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Is constantly having to defend your race and collective humanity from acceptable demonizations. And then when you do explain the institutional and social glass ceilings that have resulted in issues we’ve been charged with, being called “a racist.”
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When hashtags like this appear on Twitter, you will never shut me up. lol
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And “Black Privilege” was being only a part of the wild life in Africa, a continent ordained by the heavens for the white colonialist settlers only …
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@ strangevisitor72
Lol my bad, the sarcasm was lost in text. 🙂
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wow. why do ppl feel the need to assume someone is white . there are other people that come on here besides just black or white. just because u don’t agree with what they said don’t mean they are white. and there is no way to prove anybody is who they say they are over the internet anyways. and why attack someone for not understanding something.
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I see that (Mister, *I don’t get it*, aka) dave is still up to his DERAILING tactics!
Dave, why do you like this blog so much???
Have you ever considered starting your own blog, a place where you (and other folks like you) could go to complain and grumble about all the UNFAIRNESS you perceive *underprivileged* whites (sic) receiving from over-privileged black folks??
Poor/marginalized whites still have it better than poor/marginalized blacks. If you know different, please post some links. Skin color privilege is real. If you doubt that, live a month or longer as a black person and see for yourself….
but you won’t, because then you’ll have to give up your complaints.
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@Sharina and Pay it Forward,
Sometimes when you ignore relentless trolls…they tend to just skip it on out.
Also, #BlackPrivilege is when there has been a Black troll on this very thread harassing BP and Black women in general, yet some of the so called Black commenters only see fit to call out white trolls.
@Brothawolf
I feel the exact same.
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Adeen said:
I know it wasn’t made for us, that why I try to behave like a guest when I’m here. As for why I visit, well, without places like this my perspective would be unbalanced. Without blogs like this I would be uninformed. I probably wouldn’t even really be aware that many of the issues discussed here exist.
Ignorance and obliviousness amongst white people may be one of the biggest problems after actual racism. I think more white readers here would be a good thing – although more white commenters would probably be a bad thing.
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Black privilege is starring in an Academy Award nominated movie and being almost a footnote on the movie poster to some White guy who was only in the film for about 15 minutes!
http://variety.com/2013/film/news/twelve-years-a-slave-star-backs-out-of-italian-premiere-following-poster-controversy-1201003148/
– BTW, check out the ‘comments’ where 95% of the Whites are busy making excuses and trying to sweep the whole thing under the rug as usual.
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Ouch. *Cringe*.
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@Dave: Here you go with your usual tired schtick, playing the obtuse and stupid role, why are you here? You are not on this blog to learn, and all you do is derail the thread with your stupidity, I really wish you would go. You are no better than the ignorant racist trolls that come on here. Take your ignorant passive, aggressive self to Stormfront.
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@Buddhuu: You know I appreciate you and your commentary, I appreciate that you at least want to learn why some of us are angry about what is happening in this country where the racial dynamic is concerned.
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Thank you, Mary.
The thing for me is that what happens in your country is often mirrored in mine on a smaller scale. There’s a lag, but a lot of stuff flows across the pond. It would be stupid to ignore the situation in the USA.
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I am not surprised about the ignorance of the movie poster craziness in Italy, Especially when they treated the first black cabinet member Cecile Kyenge so horrible.
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@King: That movie poster is really comical, seeing how Brad Pitt only had a small scene in the film. But that is very telling of the attitudes of the Italians where black people are concerned. I always wanted to go to Italy but today not so much.
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dave
I think when you put it against successful white americans then it is very trivial. But if you put it against other oppressed groups like Native Americans and people from Appalachia, they might have some beef.
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Seems to me if all those people were black there might be more civil rights lawyers getting involved.. that’s all I’m saying.
What you are heavily hinting at but darent say is that black people are given more than enough help whether it is god given (perceived physical strength, prowess etc) or practical assistance here on earth and that they dont deserve any more. Certainly not compared to white/other(s) like yourself. I am beginning to see more and more your dishonesty is coming through. This is some brand of Bull$hit commenting.
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Mary
I agree that this stuff does happen across the pond (in the U.K) but it cannot be compared in terms of size not at all. It is a misconception, particularly amongst those not directly and inextricably linked to PoC, that the scale differs. I think it is ‘different’ however because of the history of the PoC that we are talking about here – black americans and black west indians.
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#BlackPrivilege – having introduced my only daughter standing in front of me and still being asked, “So how many OTHER children do you have.” And getting a look of surprise or even admiration when I say that she is my only child. I get this from both white and black people, but the assumption always seems to be that I’m hiding 6 more kids and some foodstamps SOMEWHERE. Never let it be said that we don’t participate in our own oppression sometimes.
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@ Omnipresent: Thanks for dialoging with me, and helping me to understand what’s happening in your part of the world, I appreciate you.
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Black privilege is having a black servant of corporate interests as president.
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That’s wierd. I’m new here so the first thing I notice is that nobody used the threaded reply to respond, preferring “@”. Just checking to see if its working.
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Yep. Works.
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@ Legion
“If she’s wise already, what’s left? “—Oh but that is only the beginning of a leader. There is much more left.
“Sondis, you do realize whom you’re speaking to, don’t you?”—Actually I think he is very much aware of who she is. Though his delusional mindset has allowed him to place individuals in the with me or against me category based on who they felt about IR relationships.
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@phoebeprunelle
“Sometimes when you ignore relentless trolls…they tend to just skip it on out.”—I hope he is one of those trolls.
” yet some of the so called Black commenters only see fit to call out white trolls”—Black and white both trolls need to be held to the same standards.
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#BlackPrivilege is having absolutely no good men in your entire local community, yet having white feminist women get mad and openly racist when you “steal their man.”
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@ThatDeborahGirl
“Never let it be said that we don’t participate in our own oppression sometimes.”—Exactly.
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@ Sharina: I already expressed how I thought mstoogood was wise beyond her years, I think she has leadership gifts. I hope she finds someone to mentor her and stir up her gifts that are inside her.
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Unfortunately, what TDG said is true. Sad and true.
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@mary burrell
I cosign that the. 🙂
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@ legion sharina and mary
thanks. *cyberhug*
@ buddhuu
it is good u come on this blog, u get something out of it and i do as well. It makes me remember there are whites that do want change and aren’t dismissive. It is interesting that whites from across the pond are more aware than the ones right here in america. malcolm x and ida b wells noticed that they recieved more support from overseas than here, but maybe it is because it is an outside perspective and you all can see some of the bs whereas the ppl here don’t want to see the bs because they are a part of it.
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@mstoogood4yall: I had to show you some love today.
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@mstoogood4yall
Have to give credit where credit is due.
“malcolm x and ida b wells noticed that they recieved more support from overseas than here, but maybe it is because it is an outside perspective and you all can see some of the bs whereas the ppl here don’t want to see the bs because they are a part of it.”—-I have thought of this as well and I believe this may hold a large amount of truth. People on the outside looking in can usually see rooms for improvement that often times the individual(s) involved can’t.
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@Legion
awww then it is I who looked at your comment in the wrong way. 🙂
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#blackprivilege Having to deal with racism, sexism, and colorism at the same d*amn time…
@Sondis Sir you are barking up the wrong tree. If ever there was a woman who loved her black kings, it was me. But I live in reality, as should you. I was not referring to “all” blk men, but a hit dog will surely holler…
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@cleonette,
Was?
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Allowing Black women to join the White feminist movement.
(http://www.forharriet.com/2013/12/dear-ani-difranco-supporters-you-cannot.html)
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@ Michael Jon Barker: That is messed up. The thought of going to a plantation where black people were brutalized is crazy. I don’t really understand feminism, but those clueless white women having some kind of meeting or event on a plantation is a slap in the face to black women. Do white feminist really have black women’s back in the struggle for equality for women?
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@mary burrell
Do white feminist really have black women’s back in the struggle for equality for women?—No they don’t. They just want support. I read a blog where a black female really put it out in regards to how black females have no place in white feminist movements and why. To different struggles for two different things.
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@Sharina: Yeah, I kind of thought as much. I was right all along, I never thought the white women had the sister’s backs, If they included the black women, it’s because they had some kind of personal agenda, and they wanted to use the black women, and after they had accomplished what they wanted they probably dumped the black women and it was back to business as usual.
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When I read the link that commenter Michael on Barker provided that whole scenario was just whack to me. I never could understand how the black woman fit into the equation where the white feminist movement was concerned.
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If these white feminist really cared about the well being of all women what about the women in the diaspora where women’s bodies are mutilated and women in Asian countries are sold into white slavery. This movement is just about priviledged white women. I could be wrong. But this is just my perspective.
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oh bawhhhahw why did that clueless woman make another account to co sign her own bs. who the he11 does that. that is so weak. then tried to “sound” black major major fail. then she brought up mlk as if that is supposed to do something lol. they use the same argument i’ve seen some so called black commenters make comments just like that, and i knew they were not black.
The funniest thing was she felt the need to pose as a black woman to defend whites. i guess some ppl assume that black ppl listen to another black person and do what they say. Suspect black person : “i’m not offended at this racist person saying this in fact i loves white people, and mlk said love everybody and he had a dream that we’d come together and stop complaining.” The reaction the imposter hopes for : ” oh yes u are so right, we need to love everybody and turn the other cheek and close our eyes to all the wrong, yes all whites are great lets get back to the good ol days,”
real reaction: ” get the f4k outta here we know u are an imposter. asplund or churchs is that u?.
oh my goodness. the lengths ppl will go to just to not be proven wrong is crazy beyond words.
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no woman fits into the feminist equation except white women. they were trying to be equal to their men and sometimes even greater than, and so they step on some toes on their way to the top and don’t care. When miley virus was objectifying a black woman nobody said anything all the white feminists were concerned with was her being sl4t shamed. then they love attacking mrs obama for dumb things. ida b wells had to deal with a white feminist that was silent on the lynchings of black ppl and had to go overseas to get support.
Think about it if ur man was running everything and wouldn’t let u do anything wouldn’t u be mad too, if ur man was having yellow fever, jungle fever, and every other kind of fetish for other women yet was jealous and would kill anybody that looked at u wouldn’t u be angry. I just look at them as some mad females that were cheated on and instead of going after the man they take it out on other ppl. Their beef is with white men, but they know they can’t directly attack them since they control alot of things and their pedestal would be taken from them. the white man giveth and he taketh away, they know they can’t bite the hand that feeds them, they may nibble at that hand but they are not stupid.
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@mstoogood4yall: “Preach”
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Back to the woman having the retreat at a plantation. she does not care because the house is nice, that is the way it was during slavery, they did not care as long as the house was nice and they could keep their lifestyle. Slaves beaten, killed, and split up, oh well the house is nice and the family is taken care of. Man going to rape another man’s wife oh well the house is nice and people envy what they have.
i look at the white feminists as being no different than the white males. they both benefit from white supremacy and have white privilege, the only difference is one has male privilege. that is whysome woc fall into thinking oh white women and us are equal we both have to deal with men and sexism. But oh we are not equal in terms of what we have to deal with and go through, yes we deal with sexism and we both bleed every month but that is it. racism is what they don’t have to deal with and it is worse than sexism, and at least they can tell which one they are being attacked for (their gender). but woc and black women don’t always know which is it we are being attacked for and so it is harder to fight a battle when u don’t even know which battle u are fighting and which counter attack to use.
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Michael Jon Barker thank you for providing that link.
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@ Mstoogood4yall, Sharina, and Mary Burrell: you ladies make every discussion here so compelling I find myself continuously looking forward to what you have to say and learning more about the ugliness of racism that I was sheltered from as a child. Growing up in a part of the country where the population was so heavily white, I had little interaction with anyone else until college. Growing up poor and female made me resentful and feminist and then becoming a social historian I quickly discovered how much I hadn’t been taught about anyone not white. I discovered just how much privilege my skin color afforded me, and though I’ve never had much money and no prestige, I know damn well how lucky I am that my struggles will be small compared to millions of people on the basis of bizarre prejudice standards which put me in that privileged category. I read your words and every day something else clicks with me just how different people’s experiences can be due to something which ought to be insignificant (aesthetics, esp. skin color). As a feminist I’m trapped between the opportunists and the people too young and naïve themselves to get what it is really all about: true EQUALITY FOR ALL, not just white wealthy women. I’m sick of the old-school types who idolize earlier feminists who stomped on women of color to increase numbers in the movement without actually bolstering the cause of ALL women. Early suffragists did that, and plenty of the modern ones still do it. But I’m determined to find people who get that anything less than true equality for all people of all races is unacceptable.
I’ll shut up now, but thanks for your tolerance of those of us who want to do something useful and positive.
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@Melanie S.
Thank you, but I am still learning myself. 🙂
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@ Melanie S. I appreciated you from the Laura Ingles Wilder thread. You were a wealth of information. I learned so much from you on that.
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@ melanie s
thanks. most of us are here to learn and grow i appreciate anybody that is willing to learn and admit they have things they need to work on or don’t know. I appreciate everyones commentary that is respectful and offers insight into their experiences so thank u for that.
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Thank you, ladies, for your kind words. I trust you’ll point it out if I sound like an ignorant idiot at any point. Just here to learn and put the knowledge to good purpose in my daily life. Racism is so inherent in American culture. One person can’t do much to stop it, perhaps, but it is important that I do what I can in any case.
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An excellent quote from your web-site Melanie, I could not agree more – much appreciated.
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Thanks, Riverside Rob. I’ve used it as a tag to my emails for years… long before I was presenting history programs. I think the message can and should be extended to include all of our interactions with children. Whether we are parents or not, we should always take responsibility for the example we set for others, but especially for how we treat children. The main purpose of what I do is to show children that it is possible to take something that fascinates you, learn everything you can about it, and turn it into a productive part of your life. In my case, that means also breaking down the barriers of history and demonstrating that all people are multifaceted and flawed; no matter how much revered (or despised) they may be, ultimately even “heroes” are just human beings. We are all motivated by the same basic things: love, hate, money, power, acceptance, justice, injustice, hunger, greed, you name it. But we can make life better for ourselves and others if we recognize the humanity in everyone around us, starting with the most impressionable and vulnerable of us all.
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Wow
Black privilege is when a movement like Black feminism (which had nothing to do with White feminism) forever changed (corrected) the academic discourse of your entire people group, and was one of the first major movements which named and shamed White supremacist patriarchy; campaigned and fought for Black men, women, and children. . . has members of its own community salute men in Black progressive movements, while spitting in the face of sistas like Bell Hooks, because they don’t know anything about it.
I don’t know why those sistas bothered.
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400 years of slavery, our genetics and history have proven that we were one of the hardest working ethnicity on earth, but honesty we are lazy and lack the skills to learn anything. There are a few that get the picture and try to make a difference in their life and their community but we are truly outnumbered by those who don’t want to try or give up. From another standpoint what black privilage do we have is such a negative standpoint. We should be thankful we have air to breathe, food on our table, and a savior that died for us ( for those that believe) white, black, hispanic, chinese who cares, we are one human race and nothing more or less, you think God cares what color you are. These topics really don’t help anyone and just tear down what low self esteem the world has given us. Why not have a positive message like “things that happen to me that still won’t discourage me from reaching my goals, or “how I help others who have been abused” We really need more uplifting blogs and forums instead of eveyone trying to bring each other down. Much love to everyone.
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Black privilege is when you have a hard time buying from vintage and retro shops because you are told “but Black women don’t dress retro…”
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Black privilege is realizing that people think you are strange and have a “fetish” because you wear red lipstick, fishnet tights and full skirts–because well, only white women have a hold on the revival of vintage fashions.
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@Legion,
I noticed the “Dis” to in that article.
Also, the “my friends be everyone” line.
That is just too creepy and wrong,lol!
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. . . Right. . . fox news will never be chastised for demonizing an entire people group, nor will the entire structure of Western institutions which oppress an entire people group, ever be held accountable. But Black people get in trouble for casually discussing these things on twitter, while being told the majority of them are lazy by someone who I very much doubt has met all 20-30 million African Americans.
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@ Anth
“We really need more uplifting blogs and forums instead of eveyone trying to bring each other down.”—I agree but when you make statements such as…..”but honesty we are lazy and lack the skills to learn anything” you point becomes completely null and void. Then you go on with statements such as …”here are a few that get the picture and try to make a difference in their life and their community but we are truly outnumbered by those who don’t want to try or give up.” So then my question to you is have we met in person? I mean since you know every black person in the world and I would actually assume every person in the world then it would only stand to reason why such comment would even appear in your post.
I leave this with you “And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”
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@Melanie S.
I always have an open invitation to learn together with anyone that wants to. My relatives were always pretty close with poor whites. My grandfather (because of his ability to pass for the honorary white type) was close with the upper class whites. This allowed me to see that much of what people call “black” problems are actually problems in the white community as well. Frankly I see it as an American problem that needs to be fixed and not some specific type of race problem where one group is chastised to work on it while the other gets to pretend like it is not happening for them.
Ok I will stop rambling. 🙂
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Black privilege is exemplified by your always having an entire police force alert and ready to protect and serve you, focusing right on you, any time you drive your car through an unfamiliar Anglo suburban community. Thank your lucky stars!
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@Anth
Recognizing oppression within society is not a net negative rather it is the first step towards empowerment.
You mentions Christianity and Gods love and how we are all part of the same human race. That may be true in principle but historically not in practice.
Conquest and Colonialism brought Christianity and that form of “civilization”. The “natives” were savages and it was to bring the gospel to these barbarians and have dominion over the world for Christianity that justified genocide, slavery and wholesale theft. Politics and economics were woven tightly into this world view. Colonization became a resource race between countries to see who could claim as much territory as possible.
Christopher Columbus landed in Haiti and within 50 years of the Spanish arrival 70% of the indigenous population were dead from murder, disease and from literally being worked to death. Natives weren’t seen to be on the same human level as their Conquers. All lands were either taken directly by force or through contracts that were never adhered to.
Part of Conquest Is the total destruction of the cultural identities of the groups under attack. One aspect of bringing in the Conquers religion and forcing it upon people is that it attempts to do away with their traditions on the assumption that the Conquers belief system is somehow more superior, just and moral. That it is a reflection of Gods will; what this does is it takes moral responsibility away from State aggression. It forces whole groups of people to conform to a new system of governance that oppresses and marginalizes their own way of life and a Religion that says resistance to the oppressors is against God.
Christianity teaches to love ones neighbor and ones enemies. It teaches that servants should serve their masters. It became a convenient tool for oppressors
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@Michael Jon Barker
Well said. Though I must admit that I never truly looked at Christianity as a tool for oppressors, but when you put it that way that adds to things I should ponder on.
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By the way, this post has got xPraetorius stirred up. He wrote two posts on it:
He comments directly each example in the post and some of those of Ms Good.
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@ Abagond
How does it feel having a stalker? ROFL
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Isn’t cyberstalking a crime? LOL
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@ Abagond
Very entertaining… 🙂
My favorite xPraetorius argument by far is:
“Look at the poster’s avatar… that is not an educated or intelligent face.”
Hahaha!! priceless logic!
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abagond:
The odd thing about xPraetorius’s post is that nobody has commented on it. Probably more people on your blog, will read it then the members of his blog.
I’m not surprised by his rhetoric, he calls every commentator a “moron”, even if he claims they have “valid points” or had something, “intelligent to say”.
He discounts everything, not agreeing with nothing.
biased much? -_-
He even focuses on how the black people, “look” and judges them, accordingly. Typical white racist.
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#BlackPrivilege is being the go-to scapegoat for all the ills of the world.
#BlackPrivilege is never being presumed innocent in a court of law or public opinion
#BlackPrivilege is being different personified,
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@lifelearner
Well said.
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Religion, much like all other institutions, will always be vulnerable to exploitation because of man’s nature, because it’s one human being/or a small few, being given authority to interpret and procelytize religious texts to an entire congregation. It’s not the text itself, but rather the interpretation. This fact is quite obvious since the pattern the susceptibility of religion and the exploitation of it, extends beyond the Christian faith, to the Muslim religion, and beyond.
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^^^
*since the pattern of
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@Sharina
I don’t believe we have ever met in person and I doubt we will ever meet in this life, I see how you are in a disagreement with my opinions on black people and non-sense blogs like these but if history teaches us anything it is that we will repeat the same mistakes over and over henceforth the lack the skills to learn anything to change. I’m not judging anyone or the black race perhaps I was in a rush writing this but this is for all ethnicities, I have been lazy and never wanted to learn anything or change my ways, but literally people don’t want to change, history is beneficial but that was so many years ago, all the hatred of history past down generation to generation and turned us into what we are today, nothing in the past will ever get solved today so just let it go and move on. If you assume I am judging then I apologize.
Good Bible Verse, but I did apologize so I leave you with this one:
“Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
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Kiwi:
…the members of our small but increasingly influential think tank…
“I scrolled down to the empty comments section and died of laughter.”
That was the same point i was making. He went through all that trouble to debunk, everything those commentators on twitter said, just to have nobody care enough to comment and agree with him.
Wishful thinking….
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@ Kiwi
LMAO. Yes, very small.
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@anth
I disagree with your hypocrisy not your statement in and of itself. It was hypocritical of you to call for uplifting speech on blogs and forums but then in one breathe try to say something that seeks to degrade and break down. You yourself did not seek to uplift but find it in yourself to preach to others of what should be done.
“I have been lazy and never wanted to learn anything or change my ways, but literally people don’t want to change, history is beneficial but that was so many years ago, all the hatred of history past down generation to generation and turned us into what we are today, nothing in the past will ever get solved today so just let it go and move on.”—-At some point I have no doubt that we all have found ourselves in the position to be lazy and not want to change or learn things, but here is the big thing in all this. Much of what has been said on this post are things that are happening NOW. Not things that happened several or hundreds of years ago. If one is of the past then I apologized as I missed it.
“If you assume I am judging then I apologize”—Instead of considering that I assumed, you may want to ask yourself how non-judging a statement such as the one you used is? You are telling people they are lazy and unwilling to learn because of xyz.
Don’t take me the wrong way as I say what I said with love.
“Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.” 🙂
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@Ebonymonroe: That is all too true. My general rule is that I don’t take seriously anyone who uses their religious beliefs to belittle other religions or other individuals. I’ve heard too many people who claim to be deeply spiritual or devout refer to that of others as “cults.”
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@Ebonymonroe @Melanie S.
I agree. When I first joined the Mormon church I was shocked and almost sickened by how often the older women would make comments in discussions about how others churches or religions were (fill in the blank). Over time I have simply learned to drown out the noise and focus on me.
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@Sharina
How can you say that it is love then call me a hypocrite. . LOL. . your funny, I pray that you truly understand that forgiveness means to forget, a lesson you should have learned in church, but I don’t think they teach that at the Mormon church, and on that note I will pray for you and wish you well. You made my year Sharina. Happy New Year!!!
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xPrae needs to sit down somewhere. Yes, all of them.
It’s funny how he/she/they continue(s) to object what anti-racist bloggers say using nothing but his/her/their personal experience as if that is the one and only truth to all things.
That’s shows another part of black privilege. Our experiences, suffering, opinions and facts are always rejected.
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And another thing about xPrae. He/She/They…Oh screw it! XPRAE believes xPrae’s denial is the ultimate truth and how anti-racists are some kind of grievance pimps looking for hand outs. And this is only based on what XPrae thinks and “sees” and nothing more. That’s not intelligence. It’s lunacy, conceitedness, egotism and a sure sign of living in a tiny bubble and told that bubble is reality.
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Black priviledge: is saying something positive about a white historical figure that is instantly believed, without any scepticism despite how unlikely it is ex: JFK was a friend of black people. While saying something TRUE and ACCURATE about about a black historical figure is INSTANTLY called into question ex: The Lone Ranger was based off a black man and was whitewashed for popular consumption.* Cue incredulous looks and demands for proof*
Or to shorten: Black priviledge is having every negative thing possible taken as fact about a person just because of the color of their skin, while every positive thing is disbelieved or disregarded as “an exception”.
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@anth
*smh*
“How can you say that it is love then call me a hypocrite.”—-Actually I called you a hypocrite first which in all honesty is what you were doing. I could have easily gotten my point across in a much more volatile manner but I chose not to. Thus me saying it in a loving manner.
“I pray that you truly understand that forgiveness means to forget”—Actually forgiveness means to let go of grudges and what not. Says nothing on forgetting and I never said anything about forgiving you.
” a lesson you should have learned in church, but I don’t think they teach that at the Mormon church”—Actually that is a lesson most people learn from simply reading the bible and not allowing people in church to interpret it for them or it can be simple common sense. Frankly you are trying to use church knowledge as a means to elevate yourself above others and pass judgement on other people. Sorry but as I remember it judge not lest ye be judged. Perhaps instead of allowing your ignorance to dictate what you believe mormons to believe…you can take the time to educate yourself properly on what it is we actually believe.
“You made my year Sharina.”—If I am the highlight of your new year you simply need to get out. LOL Anyway Happy New year!!! 🙂
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@Brothawolf
The mere fact that he is still and I mean still lurking in the shadows of abagond’s blog and making posts on it is telling in itself. I mean seriously what type of loon is he/she/ it to do that?
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wow he did a post on my comments oh rofl. this is too much. I never really spoke to him just wow.
@ kiwi
racism is worse than sexism. I have not seen a woman lynched just because she was a woman if she was a woman and was lynched she was a black woman. I have not seen where a woman was made to get to the back of the bus because she was a woman. I’ve not seen where a woman was killed for being in the wrong neighborhood after dark because she was a woman.
it was racism that allowed ppl to experiment on black ppl and dr sims to experiment on black women, if it was a woman thing he’d have experimented on all women not just black.
as for the number 1 or 2 being worse, they are both bad, people should not respond to ignorant comments but if they have to ,don’t fight ignorance with more ignorance. call them out without cursing them out which I know is hard sometimes. either way whether the person responds to a racist comment with a sexist one or reply to a sexist comment with a racist one, all they are doing is proving the other person right. whether the person is racist and thinks oh yall can’t control yourselves or a sexist person that thinks oh yall women can’t control ur emotions, either way if u feed into it they feel they’ve proven their point by getting u to respond with more anger and bigotry.
racism and sexism is about proving others wrong and proving to urself that u can do something and are worthy. but where they differ is the way people treat non whites vs women, non whites are treated worse than women in America, gays are treated worse than women.
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Sharina
The mere fact that he is still and I mean still lurking in the shadows of abagond’s blog and making posts on it is telling in itself. I mean seriously what type of loon is he/she/ it to do that?
My guess would be someone with no life whatsoever. Someone who’s obsessed with a blog enough to lurk around like a stalker search for all things to argue against even if their arguments are about as strong as wet tissue paper.
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#BlackPrivilege is being able to proclaim how proud you are of being black and racist but not ever presumed to be racist because that would be racist to presume so ……uh ok
#BlackPrivilege is the ability to form groups based on skin color but never again …..presumed to be racist. There could be no white anything without being accused of racism and hate even though most black groups are again hate groups.smh
#BlackPrivilege is to commonly commit hate crimes against people of another ethnicity but never ever get charged with a hate crime…that is only for other people to have that dubious charge and lengthy sentence.
#BlackPrivilege is the ability to commit crimes in a black community and never have to worry about being “snitched” on lol Because according to black people the police are racist lol smh
#BlackPrivilege is the ability to create fairy tale histories and religions and make a buck on the gullibility of black people without never having to prove the snake oil is the truth…..The narrative that everything good in human civilization is because of the black man and that the white man stole everything is just too good not to believe…smh
#BlackPrivilege is the ability to embrace victimhood and have your people vote almost unanimously for a party that tells you that you are a victim of racism and cannot function in this society without the parties help and handouts(Breadcrumbs) …..Oh sorry I should of labeled this privilege #DNC privilege lol
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brothawolf:
How is my brotha?
You still on the daily grind, my brotha? How folks treating you these days?
Do you have any new years resolutions, set?
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Well….I knew it wouldn’t be long before the master of delusion arrived. *scrolling past Christopher Columbus*
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@mstoogoodforyall
I respectfully disagree: a gay White man is still paid more than a White woman, or a Black man, or a Black woman. There is intersectionality in oppression, but I do agree that in the Western world, White supremacy often trumps sexism. . . to a certain extent.
And yes, women tend to be victimized in many societies just for being women, throughout history to the present. You could take sex trafficking for instance, it’s just that the Atlantic slave trade was one that was a far larger scaled business, and its effects not seized cosially or institutionally; whereas sexism has played out in various ways, through both tangibles and the intangible.
I feel the same way @Melanie S
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^^^
* Haven’t seized socially or institutionally
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@Christopher Columbus
Sir, did you notice how much you had to reach to pull those dubious examples out of your azz.
So, sir, what TANGIBLES to BLACK MEN & WOMEN have access to, at the EXCLUSION of any other group.
Because whites (all who identify as “White”) receive the most Welfare (69%) vs. Blacks (14%)
When it comes to affirmative action, White Women are main beneficiaries over every other minority
So, where is this #BlackPrivilege bro?
But if you are trolling and devoid of any serious legitimate talking points, you would not even attempt to answer that question seriously.
And I can give you ten solid TANGIBLE examples of “White Privilege” where whites have DISTINCT & CLEAR advantages over their more melaninated counterparts.
Upon request.
You couldn’t even get to 7 examples, and none of your examples, if seriously examined are RELEVANT to anyone’s way of life (food, clothing, shelter, medical care, protections & provisions.)
Good Day
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Adonis:
How you been brotha? long time since I’ve seen you around these parts, it seems as you have a life, outside of this blog, unlike most members who live on this blog.
I rarely see you, brotha wolf, king and a few other brothas comment on this blog, just like myself as i have a life.
I see you’re bringing the knowledge in form of a intellectual smack down. Its refreshing as nobody seems to speak any sense on this blog, besides amagond, brothawolf, King, myself and a few others brothas that escape me at the moment.
You’re one of the very select few. ^_^
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@Kiwi and Brothawolf
I am still convinced it is him and him alone. I would not believe it unless with my own eyes that their is more than just him. I know it is bad to assume but it is really hard for me to see more than one of them and not a single one of the others decided to comment or back him up in anyway.
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@ Adonis,
Don’t hold your breath waiting for an intelligent answer from the Columbus explorer.
@ Sondis,
What’s up brotha? Happy New Year!
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Life is good man. No kids. No crazy broad or jealous husband trying to kill me or have my sanity for lunch.
Life is good.
*Shot Fired*
*Adonis hides under desk*
It is what it is.
1. It is fruitless, because Christopher Columbus knows what he is doing. If i go to American Renaissance, Chateau Heartiste or StormFront and hit these White Nationalists with REAL or DISPUTING SCHOLARSHIP involving race-based topics, they would just ban me because I am a KILLJOY devoid of insults.
2. I like to get to the point with the xPraetoriouses, DaJokahs & Christopher Columbuses.
Part of them wants to believe the white race has some inherent superiority over blacks, but don’t want to acknowledge & address the active pedophilia acts & methamphetamine addiction that ravages white communities all across the good ole US of A, reported & unreported.
They fall into orgasmic bliss when an occasional Aaron Alexis or those four black men in “shorthills, NJ” commit atrocities against white men & women.
Totally agree. But when you are catering to women, you HAVE to be romantic & ethereal in your speech.
The harsh truth & reality is for strong men, because we actually have to slay the metaphorical dragon, so that women can be delusional in their thoughts.
(http://youtu.be/9FnO3igOkOk)
Thanks. Happy Holidays.
See you on the other side.
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@KS
I already know. You gotta have fun with trolls.
I always spar for my own development.
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Second to last comment was for @sondis
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ks:
You know what the deal is…just another black man caught up in the mix, tryin ta make a dolla outta fifteen cents.
Happy new year to you and your family brotha.
same to you too, Adonis. You fellas stay safe on new years eve!
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Thanks Adonis, Ks
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what is the heck, this moderation is getting out of hand, abagond. -_-
I can’t even quote tupac on this blog. *_*
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To be honest, there were white women lynched.
Albeit off topic–lynchings were not reserved for Black men only.
Oh yea…which leads to another Black privilege hashtag…
Black privilege is going to school for twelve whole years and still not knowing how complex Black history truly is.
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@ phoebeprunelle
the only white women I have heard about being killed were ones accused of being a witch or the ones who tried to help blacks and were killed by the kkk. But I have not heard of one being killed for being a female.
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ugh I meant the only white women I’ve heard about being lynched were ones accused of being a witch, or they because they helped blacks or they were convicted of a crime.
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@ ebonymonroe
I agree.
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^I understand, but from 1900, roughly to the1950s–the period of severe lynchings in the U.S., quite a few white women were lynched because they back talked white men…white men who didn’t keep their manners met the same fate.
You can Google it if you’d like. I can’t remember the site that gives figures to link it here.
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^ ok thanks I will look for it.
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@ kiwi
some men get defensive when women bring up sexism, but there are some that do listen. when the blackpowerisforblackmen hashtag came out I saw tweets of men listening and trying to learn, I also saw the dismissive and trollish tweets. I read an article where one brotha said he appreciated it but he then went on to criticize the black females for responding to the males that weren’t getting it. then it turned into some mess of who should’ve corrected the sexists or if they should just be ignored.
I think non white males attempt to be sexist sometimes, but they can’t really act on it, they can’t really deny a woman a job heck they too busy trying to get a job themselves. a lot of whites get defensive and say my family didn’t own slaves, but I have not heard males say anything as defensive as that when some women bring up sexism. The main thing I’ve heard from some black males that irks me to no end is when they say black women yall need to step back don’t say anything and try to make it like they are protecting us, when in reality some are trying to shut us up.
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Sharina,
I am still convinced it is him and him alone. I would not believe it unless with my own eyes that their is more than just him. I know it is bad to assume but it is really hard for me to see more than one of them and not a single one of the others decided to comment or back him up in anyway.
I did the next best thing, assume it’s one person with multiple personalities. 🙂
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sondis,
How is my brotha?
You still on the daily grind, my brotha? How folks treating you these days?
Do you have any new years resolutions, set?
Oh, the usual. Quietly angry and mostly melancholy…So far, for the most part, people have been treating me well…for the most part.
I usually don’t have resolutions to be honest. I always forget them in 14 days.
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Brothawolf:
Yeah, i dig what you saying brotha. ^_^
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I see Chris Columbus is here racially stereotyping as usual.
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Brothawolf
“I see Chris Columbus is here racially stereotyping as usual.”
You know how these white people are, its not enough they have everything handed to them, enjoying all the privileges of being white in America.
They have to degrade and put down black people and other people of color to make themselves feel good. Then you have white, bleeding heart liberals that are just as racist that come on the blog to cleans their souls. Its pathetic.
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Adonis, (and Sondis too) not to be too confrontational on this thread, but you said:
@Christopher Columbus
So, sir, what TANGIBLES to BLACK MEN & WOMEN have access to, at the EXCLUSION of any other group.
Because whites (all who identify as “White”) receive the most Welfare (69%) vs. Blacks (14%)
A quick search returned the following breakdown of welfare recipients.
The percentages those on welfare by race as of 2011 are listed below in descending order by percentage.
Black-39.8%
White-38.8%
Hispanic-15.7%
Other-3.3%
Asian-2.4%
I know you guys don’t like statistics, but here they are. A pretty even split between black and white for the recipients – not so Even Steven if you count the population breakdown. If you’ve got a source for your numbers, I’d be willing to read it.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_race_percentage_for_welfare_recipients
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^^^^
That post wasn’t mean to imply that black privilege is to enjoy more welfare benefits per capita than they deserve, it was just to clarify an error in the facts reported earlier.
Happy New Year to all.
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@ Peanut
I did see that one. I agree, it is hilarious.
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@Riverside_Rob
No, I love statistics. But the ones you gave only account for TANF, but there are many other welfare programs in the US, like SNAP (food stamps), of which 60% of recipients are white.
SNAP is much bigger than TANF btw. SNAP costs taxpayers $76.4 B and TANF only about $20 B. Big difference, eh?
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@Riverside_Rob
Yikes. Wiki answers. Really?
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@Brothawolf
“I did the next best thing, assume it’s one person with multiple personalities. :-)”—And I agree with that 200%
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@Christopher Columbus:
#BlackPrivilege is being able to proclaim how proud you are of being black and racist but not ever presumed to be racist because that would be racist to presume so ……uh ok
Black privilege is being subjected to comical tirades by loons like Christopher Columbus. Being able to laugh at racists like him and his ilk is a pleasant way to while away the time when doing household chores such as watching wax dry on the flloor! So based upon the entertainment aspects provided by these whack jobs, it is a true black privilege!
#BlackPrivilege is the ability to form groups based on skin color but never again …..presumed to be racist. There could be no white anything without being accused of racism and hate even though most black groups are again hate groups.smh
Everyone needs a hobby! Racist!
#BlackPrivilege is to commonly commit hate crimes against people of another ethnicity but never ever get charged with a hate crime…that is only for other people to have that dubious charge and lengthy sentence.
Jealous?
#BlackPrivilege is the ability to commit crimes in a black community and never have to worry about being “snitched” on lol Because according to black people the police are racist lol smh
That’s hilarious! I don’t quite think you give a dog’s turd as to what is happening in the ‘black’ community unless you can use what ever crime stats to ‘prove’ your racist points, now that’s privilege, white privilege!
#BlackPrivilege is the ability to create fairy tale histories and religions and make a buck on the gullibility of black people without never having to prove the snake oil is the truth…..The narrative that everything good in human civilization is because of the black man and that the white man stole everything is just too good not to believe…smh
Yes, you are describing the flip side of eurocentrism, what a privilege! We are discussing black privilege here, not white privilege!
#BlackPrivilege is the ability to embrace victimhood and have your people vote almost unanimously for a party that tells you that you are a victim of racism and cannot function in this society without the parties help and handouts(Breadcrumbs) …..Oh sorry I should of labeled this privilege #DNC
Your white privilege is presuming everyone posting here is Black American. Well, I for one am a Black Canadian so I don’t know what the h#ll you’re babbling about . What’s DN’C? Dilation n’ Curretage? Perhaps you’re a product of such?
Black privilege to me, is being comically haraungued by loons like you. Some choose to ‘debate’ you, I find you comical. I suppose being able have gut laughs at white racist logic such as yours is a privilege? At least it is funny! eh?
I responded to those post of Nparator(or whatever the h3ll his monniker is). Before he deletes them here they are:
1st link:
“Hilarious!!! MAD magazine has got nary a thing on you! GFYS”
2nd link;
My comments will be in red.
Why not post your comments in purple? It looks better azz crack.
The commenter is a “contributor” to Abagond’s blog, and she is a young woman with no real knowledge of things and no understanding of the world around her. That doesn’t prevent her from writing about it though.
Moi; You do the same thing so who are you to judge jackazz? In fact, this woman young or not, reads like Einstein compared to you! GFYS.
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Resw77 said:on Tue 31 Dec 2013 at 15:12:34 resw77
@Riverside_Rob
No, I love statistics. But the ones you gave only account for TANF, but there are many other welfare programs in the US, like SNAP (food stamps), of which 60% of recipients are white.
SNAP is much bigger than TANF btw. SNAP costs taxpayers $76.4 B and TANF only about $20 B. Big difference, eh?
2011 Entire Population
White 78% 234,000,000
Black 12% 36,000,000
Food Stamp Program (SNAP)
White 59% 26,550,000
Black 28% 12,600,000
Percentage of Population on Food Stamp Program
White 11.35%
Black 35.00%
So – you’re statistics are correct – whites are 60% of SNAP recipients, but they’re 78% of the population – the number shouldn’t surprise. But we see that Blacks are 28% of the recipients, yet only 12% of the population, that number does surprise – I would have expected it to be closer to the population percentage.
Lastly we see that 11 of 100 whites are using the SNAP program, but 35 out of 100 blacks are. Why the disparity, why is the usage rate among black people so much higher? I’d be interested to see which demographic pays the most taxes that support these programs, I have a hunch it’s the larger group (78%) which pays about 90% (wild guess) of the program needs.
Another question bubbles up from this – if America is so anti-black, why is that 1/3 of the black population is receiving assistance to eat, and not being starved, as oppressed minorities in much of the rest of the world are? maybe that is the black privilege that red-nex and kl@nsmen and “te@ b@ggers” speak of, the ability to bite the hand that feeds with no shame.
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@ Rob
Actually according to this blacks represent 14.1% of the population. Oh and that is 2012 make up.
http://blackdemographics.com/
Oh no he is trying to argue xprae logic. It is only a bite of the hand that feeds you if blacks were not also paying taxes. (rolls eyes and breaks out in laughter and tears)
Oh no he is trying to argue
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@ Resw77
Have fun with this one.
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Oh but would anyone like to guess the percentage of individuals by race who uses church assisted welfare programs? 🙂
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“Riverside_Rob,
Why the disparity, why is the usage rate among black people so much higher?
Another question bubbles up from this – if America is so anti-black, why is that 1/3 of the black population is receiving assistance to eat, and not being starved”
Linda says,
and the fact that you even have to ask that question, is part of the problem.
You sir, as an American, should already know what is wrong with your country now and historically, and shouldn’t even have to ask — it’s not a secret.
People like you are part of the problem R_Rob… the more you stick your head in the sand, the more you show the world the crack in your posterior__ and when the crack parts, it lets out the gas which passes for your racist white American philosophy and intellect.
and since your eyes & ears are buried with your head, I guess we now know why you persist in asking a question that has been answered for quite a long time now — that’s why your government had to set up protection programs so that black people in American could even get to work in jobs that didn’t involve holding a broomstick.
remember those good ole days (not too long ago either) when the average black person in the USA wasn’t allowed to be anything but servants, factory workers, or work menial labor jobs while happily singing Gospel spirituals (Papa duck dynasty described it well last week)
I, as an immigrant, like capitalism… but I also know how the game works and realize that it’s rigged for the majority to NOT prosper or how else can a corporation make a profit, R_Rob — “buy low, keep labor cost down, and sell high”– every business person knows the song and dance:
How McDonald’s and Wal-Mart Became Welfare Queens
“ There seems to be a ready supply of people who will work for low wages. When fast-food workers staged protests this summer to demand the federal minimum wage be raised from $7.25 to $15 an hour, even sympathetic observers weren’t optimistic about the prospects
According to one study, American fast food workers receive more than $7 billion dollars in public assistance.
As it turns out, McDonald’s has a “McResource” line that helps employees and their families enroll in various state and local assistance programs
It exploded into the public when a recording of the McResource line advocated that full-time employees sign up for food stamps and welfare.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-13/how-mcdonald-s-and-wal-mart-became-welfare-queens.html
If you haven’t noticed, R_Rob, big business Corporations, have learned how to use (and abuse) government Assistance to help them increase their profits. I’m sure you aren’t losing too much sleep over oil and farm subsidies, are you?!
but by asking your question, you are basically saying that you, as an American, are CLUELESS about your own countrys “history and financial structure” and how it works (but yet, you want us to take you seriously R_Rob)
but I know you have are not that st’pid, so once again, here you are showing your racist a’s for the New Year!
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Sondis,
You know how these white people are, its not enough they have everything handed to them, enjoying all the privileges of being white in America.
They have to degrade and put down black people and other people of color to make themselves feel good. Then you have white, bleeding heart liberals that are just as racist that come on the blog to cleans their souls. Its pathetic.
The instant black people raise up and say something that reveals a skeleton in the closet of a white racist society, that’s when some white folks go crazy and combat it with racism. When #blackgirlsrock was trending on Twitter, white women were upset and countered with #whitegirlsrock. The moment race or the word “black” plus something positive is mentioned, white people go into “oppressed mode” and whine their heads off out of paranoia. Their subordinates are no longer quiet and satisfied and that scares the s**t outta them. That’s why they want us to shut up. They still see us as their lessers.
I no longer accept that they are clueless to the realities that we deal with daily. To suggest that would mean they can’t help themselves in being…them. I prefer to think that they don’t care and are vexed that whiteness is cracking. And they are doing and saying anything to fight for it to the bitter end.
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Riverside_Rob
I dunno about the rest of the people here, but I, for one, don’t care too much about statistics. That’s not the say I won’t use it when the time is right. One of my main problems with them is when people like yourself use them to tell others about a certain group of people when it comes to their problems and issues. People will take one look at the numbers that play into their bigotry, usually without doing the math themselves, and they will manipulate them into how a group of people are and why they should be hated. In your case, you’re using “welfare stats” to prove your point. And knowing you, you’ll reach stereotypical conclusion, if you haven’t already.
So yes, I’m not into statistics, especially coming from racist hate peddlers who yearn to live in a whites-only world.
Happy New Year to you, sir.
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BoB said :
“Lastly we see that 11 of 100 whites are using the SNAP program, but 35 out of 100 blacks are. Why the disparity, why is the usage rate among black people so much higher? I’d be interested to see which demographic pays the most taxes that support these programs, I have a hunch it’s the larger group (78%) which pays about 90% (wild guess) of the program needs.”
Your asking the wrong questions BoB. People aren’t on public assistance because it’s free stuff. Their on public assistance because they have to survive.
It doesn’t show that Blacks are “more privileged” rather it shows the opposite, that Blacks resort to public assistance because of the nature of the Empire. Equal opportunity and access to markets which includes the financing to create those markets which would create wealth within those communities aren’t readily available to POC. It merely confirms that the privileges that matter are given out to the dominate groups and special economic rents given out to everybody else.
The civil rights movement has attempted to rectify the problem through quota’s and opening up education ect. It has created the illusion for Whites that racism is a thing of history but the structural privileges within the State remain unchanged and are antagonistic to any opposing group. Some POC have risen economically in spite of systematic opposition; but the ruling Empire doesn’t like economic dominance of any other group other then it’s own so the gates of the prisons were swung wide open after the Civil Rights era and the “war of drugs” and other such Three strike laws ect insure that the communities of POC are in perpetual flux. This farces successful POC to assimilate within more upward Whites communities thus draining economic and social dominance away from their own communities. History shows that any community of Color that gained economic dominance was burned down to the ground.
“Another question bubbles up from this – if America is so anti-black, why is that 1/3 of the black population is receiving assistance to eat, and not being starved, as oppressed minorities in much of the rest of the world are? maybe that is the black privilege that red-nex and kl@nsmen and “te@ b@ggers” speak of, the ability to bite the hand that feeds with no shame.”
Public assistance keeps groups surviving enough to where they still have hope that the system will work for them some day. It is the States way of placating the population because revolution is bad for THEIR business.
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Linda, your logic is faulty. Walmart and McDee’s jobs are paid what their worth, not what will sustain a family. If you’re a student or recent grad getting your first job, that’s where you go – if you’re a married father of 3, those jobs are not for you – and if you’re working one of those jobs, don’t become a married father of 3 – see how personal responsibility works?
Now, if you find yourself as the married father of 3, having to work that job, you may get public assistance, and that company may even help you out in getting the assistance you need – but don’t for a second believe that the company you work for, should pay you more because you need more. The JOB IS NOT WORTH what people need to sustain a family. NOBODY IS SURPRISED BUT YOU – so that means you’re the clueless one here.
But you’re not really surprised are you? You immigrated from a Caribbean country right? How socialist was it there (I’m really asking), because I think you might have immigrated here for more economic opportunity (I could be wrong – you’ll tell me I’m sure). If you were seeking economic opportunity, why in the heck would bring along socialist mores with you? From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs – or something along those lines – why ruin the work ethic that drives the economic opportunities in this country?
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Another set of profound commentary that seems to have gone over the head of Riverside_Rob. *smh* ROFL
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SMH at Riverside_Rob’s comment.
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Linda,
Your reply to Rob was brilliant, but this part here made me smile:
People like you are part of the problem R_Rob… the more you stick your head in the sand, the more you show the world the crack in your posterior__ and when the crack parts, it lets out the gas which passes for your racist white American philosophy and intellect.
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Also Linda,
If you haven’t noticed, R_Rob, big business Corporations, have learned how to use (and abuse) government Assistance to help them increase their profits. I’m sure you aren’t losing too much sleep over oil and farm subsidies, are you?!
This is has been known for some time now. I would say this is common knowledge, but it may be stretching it a bit when some people still don’t believe this. The fact that Rob seems clueless to that fact speaks volumes alone.
Riverside_Rob
I’m sorry, but you’re showing us that you not only live in a bubble, but chose to remain there, because it’s comfortable to you. If you want to, go ahead. I don’t have that luxury, because I can’t afford to continue to live in a dome full of lies and myths. There is still a lot I need to take in, and most of the time, it’s painful. Still, in my opinion, it’s better than continuing to live in a state of continued ignorance just for the sake of being “happy”.
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Michael Barker – you said something really interesting here:
“This forces successful POC to assimilate within more upward Whites communities thus draining economic and social dominance away from their own communities. History shows that any community of Color that gained economic dominance was burned down to the ground.”
In particular, the spot about draining economic and social dominance away from their own communities. Is that what happens when a black family escapes the crab bucket – they erode the social dominance of their community? Do those that prosper not give back into their community? If not – why not, the capital to grow business and expand success would come from within that group, don’t you agree?
I think successful blacks do try and give back – how does that community respond? Here are 7 of the top black philanthropists
http://newsone.com/1677725/top-7-black-philanthropists/
Many of their projects are global or African focused – what are they doing for the black communities in America, 1/3 of which receive public food assistance? Are these moguls creating businesses in the inner-cities, are they changing the lives of black youth, are they teaching a work ethic and an aversion to fast money through crime – or are they more likely to be role models for aspiring rappers and NBA superstars?
Maybe when the black community is worthy of the attention and the investment of the successful black class, the tide will come in for black Americans. Until then – blaming Jim crow and whites who don’t socialize with black or patronize black business is just whining and a symptom of an immature social group who isn’t ready to be where they want to be.
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SMH at Sharina and brothawolf and kiwi
You’re just cheerleaders for Linda and some other posters who can write a proper sentence. Good for you guys, we all need heroes.
You applaud when Linda says that I’m part of the problem – don’t you get it – of course I’m the problem for you, just as you are the problem for me. We’re different, there will always be some level of friction between our groups; sometimes it will be relatively smooth sailing, other times there will be much anger and division. It’s been that way for all time. When our two groups are not in contact with each other, we find things to fight about amongst ourselves – it’s a human thing. But fighting amongst ourselves seems less barbaric than when we fight with different racial groups – it’s easier to de-humanize the “other” when they don’t look like us. Blacks are no different than whites or Asians in that regard, don’t fool yourselves.
I think separate is a better way to live, for both our groups. What arguments against separation do you have?
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@Matari.. @Legion
What did I say so bad? That it exists? It does. The fact that you think your opinion is worth more than mine on a blog that you don’t own or run is proof.
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@Riverside_Rob
ROFL
Proper sentence, Ebonics, country lingo….It all goes over your head. It is ever so laughable that “proper sentence” is a defense or comeback that you have. Tells me even more so how weak your whole entire arguments are. 🙂
“of course I’m the problem for you”—Actually you are about as much of a problem for me as gas, but you can always fashion yourself to be more than what you are.
“I think separate is a better way to live, for both our groups. What arguments against separation do you have?”—Since you believe separation is better then why don’t YOU separate yourself then?
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BoB said:
“In particular, the spot about draining economic and social dominance away from their own communities. Is that what happens when a black family escapes the crab bucket – they erode the social dominance of their community?”
Your not addressing why those communities are depressed in the first place. Just because Jim Crow was lifted doesn’t mean the damage of 100 years worth of economic oppression disappeared as well. It’s like asking why doesn’t a community rebuild itself after it just got carpet bombed and all it’s economic resources destroyed. And then you want to compare it to the community that did the bombing.
The racism still exists because it is structurally built into the system.
Our government’s institutionalized racism has always excited. It was Wilson and the Progressive movement which focused on economic and social regulation, ushered in the income tax as well as Jim Crow laws and the structural privileges that accompanied it. It was during Wilsons term in office that the second movement of the Ku Klux Klan was formed with the presidents blessing. It was the Wilson white house that segregated their bathrooms and believed “that federal segregation was an act of kindness”.
The economic reforms the progressives pushed were political movements that created economic rents for the benefit of white people specifically. Occupational licensing reduced the number of people who could do certain business and this was used to restrict the number of Blacks from competing against whites. The minimum wage was used against blacks as a way to keep “undesirable groups” from gaining employment. “A minimum wage was seen to operate eugenically through two channels: by deterring prospective immigrants and also by removing from employment the “unemployable” who, thus identified, could be, segregated in rural communities or sterilized.” (Sindny Webb, Journal of Political economy, 1912) Something called the Flexner Standard was implemented in 1910 “for better trained Doctors, who would be educated at University’s instead of for profit medical schools”. The number of Black medical colleges dropped from eight to three. Funds for public education were funneled to white schools with minimal funding for schools in black area’s.
Unions were likewise racist. The AFL also started out in the 1880s with a nondiscrimination policy, but founder Samuel Gompers later came to see blacks as a “convenient whip placed in the hands of the employers to cow the white man.” Fear that black workers would take whites’ jobs haunted the labor movement for generations.
The AFL craft unions became solidly racist. In 1902 W.E.B. Du Bois, the influential black spokesman and historian, found that 43 national unions had no black members, and 27 others barred black apprentices, keeping membership to a minimum. Du Bois spoke against both “the practice among employers of importing ignorant Negro-American laborers in emergencies” and “the practice of labor unions of proscribing and boycotting and oppressing thousands of their fellow toilers.”
The private sector was racist as well. Here’s an excerpt from Douglas A. Blackmon’s book “Slavery by Another Name”.
..” But it was business that policed adherence to America’s racial customs more than any other actor in U.S. society. American banks maintained ubiquitous discriminatory lending practices throughout the country that until the 60’s prevented millions of working-class African Americans from obtaining the lines of credit that millions of white families used to accumulate wealth and move from lower to middle-class status. Indeed, the opportunity for blacks to pursue the most basic American formula for achieving middle-class status -buying a home in desirable neighborhoods where real estate values were likely to appreciate over time – was openly barred by legions of real estate agents in every city and region. Until the 1950s, rules of the National Association of Realtors made it a violation of the organization’s code of ethics for an agent to sell a home in a white neighborhood to an African American, or vice versa. It was the hundreds of thousands of individual businesses that refused to give blacks jobs, equal pay, or promotions. It was wealthy men in Wall Street and in the executive suites of southern banks that financed the organized opposition to passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.”
BoB said ” If not – why not, the capital to grow business and expand success would come from within that group, don’t you agree?”
Exactly. But the history of racial economic exploitation and exclusion proves my point. Racism of Whites and Jim Crow laws kept economic dominance squarely in White hands.
Magic Johnson got into the banking business because NO banks were loaning to POC.
Think about that.
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What a year it’s been for “black privilege.” Off the top of my head, there’s George Zimmerman getting off for murdering Trayvon Martin. You have Paula Deen waxing nostalgic about the good old days when she could actually own people. And while she lost her gig on the Food Network for spouting such nonsense (her sons still have shows on both the Food Network and Cooking Channel, AND she figures prominently on both programs), her cookbooks have been selling like hotcakes, and her cruises have sold out to standing room only crowds. Black folks have been fired, suspended or denied opportunities for wearing their normal, natural hair. Apparently, you can also get arrested after buying expensive items at Macy’s and Barney’s, and outright denied the opportunity to buy at Hermes, even if you’re Oprah. There’s the Supreme Court striking down the Voting Rights Act, various celebrities, fashion houses, and media outlets donning blackface for big fun and profits, mixed race children criticized for enjoying Cheerios with their inter-racial parents, and still more Black folks profiled and murdered merely for breathing while Black. So, essentially, black privilege means being insulted, injured, or worse at the whim of all who encounter us. Wow, what an advantage…
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@RRob
1st of all. Black people as a collective DO pay their fare share of taxes. And do work. And contribute to the empire.
2nd of all. If welfare was to go “out of business” so to speak (IT WILL NOT BECAUSE WHITES MAINLY BENEFIT FROM THE “FREEBIES”, SAME WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION). A decent segment of the white community would perish as well.
But the mainstream media would not publicly acknowledge that. Their cameras would be focused on the BLACK tragedies of the welfare loss.
Let us not play game here.
As soon as we get into race matters, that WHITE GUILT gets HEAVY.
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@MJB
Thank you for the education.
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What exactly is welfare? Food stamps? Assistance for needy families? What about unemployment and disability insurance? Social Security? Veteran’s benefits? Pell grants and student loans? School vouchers? Farm subsidies? Homesteading programs? Small business assistance? Export subsidies? Tax breaks? Energy and extraction subsidies? Transportation subsidies? Corporate bailouts? Religious exemptions? Mortgage interest deductions?
And the biggest welfare perk of them all? Benefit of the doubt, with no questions asked.
Now tell me again who receives the most “welfare?”
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Riverside_Rob,
SMH at Sharina and brothawolf and kiwi
You’re just cheerleaders for Linda and some other posters who can write a proper sentence. Good for you guys, we all need heroes.
Such a smug statement.
You applaud when Linda says that I’m part of the problem – don’t you get it – of course I’m the problem for you, just as you are the problem for me. We’re different, there will always be some level of friction between our groups; sometimes it will be relatively smooth sailing, other times there will be much anger and division. It’s been that way for all time. When our two groups are not in contact with each other, we find things to fight about amongst ourselves – it’s a human thing. But fighting amongst ourselves seems less barbaric than when we fight with different racial groups – it’s easier to de-humanize the “other” when they don’t look like us. Blacks are no different than whites or Asians in that regard, don’t fool yourselves.
Of course you don’t or won’t understand where that friction comes from no matter how many times it’s been told either to you directly or written out. I see that as willful ignorance. I see that as unwilling to understand where the friction comes from, especially if it comes from a group different from you in experience. Instead, you expect us to understand you more than you want to understand us.
I think separate is a better way to live, for both our groups. What arguments against separation do you have?
There you go with the separation argument. Give it a rest. We get it.
Anyway, your comments demonstrate another “black privilege” where our opinions, truths, statements or what have you is reversed for the sake of putting us on the spot.
If you still think separation is best, so be it. But remember, the racial tension was NOT caused by my people.
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Look I said it does exist, but I also said it is very minor. If you live in a majority black area it may be more real. I don’t mean any offense by it, I’m just giving an opinion.
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Slow clap @Michael Jon Barker
You don’t know how many conversations I’ve been in where I’ve had to explain this. It should go without saying.
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@Kiwi
Thanks for informing riverside that non-hispanics whites only make up about 63% of US population, and even that is misleading b/c it includes many “Middle Easterners” whom most whites wouldn’t dare consider white, like Dr. Mostafa Hefny: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/07/egyptian-immigrant-wants-to-be-reclassified-as-black/
@ Riverside_Rob
“f America is so anti-black, why is that 1/3 of the black population is receiving assistance to eat, and not being starved, as oppressed minorities in much of the rest of the world are? ”
First, I don’t know if it’s true that minorities are oppressed in “much” of the world, and they sure aren’t oppressed in my country. Second, US welfare programs were not created for African Americans, and whites have always been the #1 beneficiaries. Just b/c some African Americans justly take advantage of them is irrelevant.
The biggest welfare programs, Social Security and Medicare, are by far the biggest financial burdens on the US gov’t, and whites make up a disproportionately high number of recipients.
Third, I won’t even discuss the nearly $100 B spent on corporate welfare programs, for which whites disproportionately benefit.
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@grin and bear it: Excellent, words fitly spoken.
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Nparaetor responded to my posts:
According to praetorius I am a moron who suffers from Tourette’s syndrome. Folks, you can’t make this sh*t up, that’s what makes these clowns so funny. He then accuses me of being unable to post without cussing(puerile language as he puts it) Well he is right!
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Notorious responded to my comments on his blog:
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Praetorius responded to two posts I wrote via the links Abagond provide:
He reveals his racism with every word he types and tries to flip the script; another black privilege constantly having these white racists try and flip the script when they are wilfully racist.
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first time commenter here i just wanted to say that riverbob dude is an idiot . i stopped reading his comments at “11% of food stamps recipients are white and 35% are black so 11 whites out of ten are on welfare and 35 blacks out of ten are” what the fuck is yhzt shitty logic why didn’t anyone correct it? 35% of welfare recipients means out of 100 people receibing welfare 35 are black not that 35 black people out of 100 are on welfare a statistics genius like you sir should know that dammit! how many americand are on welfare? and how does that 35% translate into the numbers of black people in the US? this id not the first time i see self proclaimed math geniuses using stats in a biased way when it comes to black people. i do think that there are too many black people on welfare now ideally they should all have great jobs and make 6 figures but we know that people like you river come back to complain about how they only got it because of affirmative action and that for every well establidhed black person there’s discriminated white one right? do not even bother to answer to me
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i meant 11 out of 100 and 35 out of 100 sorry for the typo
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Agreed!
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Resw77:
No, I love statistics. But the ones you gave only account for TANF, but there are many other welfare programs in the US, like SNAP (food stamps), of which 60% of recipients are white.
SNAP is much bigger than TANF btw. SNAP costs taxpayers $76.4 B and TANF only about $20 B. Big difference, eh?
Resw77, where did you get your figures for SNAP participation…?
The census shows the breakdown as:
Click to access 12s0573.pdf
White, non-Hispanic – 32.2
Black, non-Hispanic – 22.5
Hispanic – 15.5
Asian – 2.8
Native American – 4.3
Other – 22.7 (More than one race / no data collected..)
Current participation as a percentage of each respective group:
Click to access IB-Bean-SNAP-Web-Final.pdf
White – 7.9
Black – 23.7
HISPANIC – 17.3
Ever received food stamps as a percentage of each respective group:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/12/the-politics-and-demographics-of-food-stamp-recipients/
White – 15%
Black – 31%
Hispanic – 22%
Other non-Hispanic 18%
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Adonis Said “1st of all. Black people as a collective DO pay their fare share of taxes. And do work. And contribute to the empire.”
I came across this article that confirms Adonis statement. In fact it shows the Black privilege of paying for White peoples Social Security. And if you add on top of that all the special privileges that White people are the primary benefactors of that ‘grin and bear it’ pointed out POC are paying out more then the benefits received.
“And it’s for these reasons the Urban Institute report shows the disparity in Social Security benefits by race. The average white American lives longer and has fewer offspring than a black or Hispanic American. The report shows 8.2 Hispanic and 4.7 black workers per beneficiary, yet just a 3.3 ratio for white workers/beneficiaries.”
http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/01/ken_braun_how_to_fix_social_se.html
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“Riverside_Rob,
Linda, your logic is faulty. Walmart and McDee’s jobs are paid what their worth, not what will sustain a family. If you’re a student or recent grad getting your first job, that’s where you go – if you’re a married father of 3, those jobs are not for you – and if you’re working one of those jobs, don’t become a married father of 3 – see how personal responsibility works?”
Linda says,
R_Rob, you dare to use the word “logic” in that babble that you are trying to pass off as an actual intellectual statement pertaining to people who are employed and already “personally responsible”!!
These people have JOBs R_Rob—by being employed, they are fulfilling their role in society, having a job equals being “personally responsible” because they punch a time clock, get paid, and contribute their pittance back into society —
a society that is based on CONSUMERISM by the way… consumerism means “Retail” and other Service Sector jobs- a very large part of this countries economic strength… personal responsibility doesn’t begin and end with whether you have children or not, R_Rob — these people contribute to society and perform a Service.
So, if all these people become firemen, clerks, or work some other blue-collar job — who is suppose to work the cash register, be the salesman, cook the food and serve it? Cut the lawn, the trees, pick up the garbage?
People like you say you don’t want the Mexicans here in the US to pick the tomatoes and strawberries, who should do these ridiculously low paying jobs R_Rob?
Whelp, according to YOU, it should be our next generation of “brains”: High school students and College graduates.
So, according to YOU — single college graduates should work “low paying” jobs because somehow these low paying jobs are going to help them pay back their $20,000 -$60,000 college loan
and it will free up the “non-college” unskilled or skilled workers to go do something else in life
and these low paying jobs will allow these college graduates who are holding Bachelors in Engineering, Math, Science, Business, etc– to lead or sustain them in the path of middle class and into higher paying jobs because working at Taco Bell as a post college Graduate looks “oh, so well” on a Resume when you are applying to be a financial analyst at Charles Schwab.
— yeah OK, Rob, that statement was very Logical coming from you.
So, if all of our University “brains” are working lower level, low paying jobs at Walmart and Taco Bell, what are the high school graduates, with no higher education suppose to do? what industry should they be in?
and pray tell, what jobs should a non-college educated father or mother of 3 be doing that shows he is personally responsible?
I guess he/she could always go work as a “bank teller” or “customer service” (jobs that pay just a few bucks more $9.00 to $12.00 p/h versus McDonalds $7 – $9)
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And THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is precisely how you lie with statistics:
Notice what these numbers measure: a percentage of each respective group — not a breakdown of actual program participants (which is why the numbers don’t even come close to adding up to 100%). So, in the first instance, they’re saying that 7.9% of all white people in America have used what is traditionally regarded as welfare. That’s about 18 million people. Now when you compare this to the approximately 24% of blacks who have used it, you’re talking about maybe 7 or 8 million people. Which is more, 18 million or 7 million?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/23/2013-year-in-cultural-appropriation_n_4468583.html
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@Herneith: Tell the truth about it.
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[…] black privilege […]
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To Grin and Bear it:
I was responding to res77 who stated that 60% of the SNAP program participants were white.. it conflicted with the figures I have seen so I wanted to know his sources.
I understand the figures… and it was my language not the language of the reports that you outlined in bold.. I added it for clarification.. even looking at the first figures that from the census (the source I trust the most..) it states that 32 percent of the participants are white and 25% are black.. so clearly there are currently more whites using food assistance than blacks.
And FWIW the usage by race for anyone who has ever used food assistance in the US is 15% for whites, 32% for blacks, and 22% for Hispanics.. that is from the Pew and as such is a relative narrow survey, so I am more trusting of the census even though it can also have its flaws. (And ever using food assistance can vary from 2 weeks to 30 years..)
If you want to talk about an expensive need based program then look at medicaid:
http://kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/total-medicaid-spending/
United States $415,154,234,831
It blows SNAP and TANF out of the water. (Medicaid costs are split between the Feds and the States..)
Interestingly Hispanics and more heavily represented with Medicaid than blacks compared to SNAP and TANF.
http://kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity-4/
Medicaid by race/ethnicity is
White 42%
Black 20%
Hispanic 29%
Other 9%
(Looks like there is some rounding..)
reposted/edited for clarity..
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@uncle Milton
Good. I am just here to say, that if welfare of all forms when away, whites would be affected the most, because they are invisible recipients that no one wants to talk about.
The media only will point out the “black moochers”, and their presence is not really hurting the tax-bank like that.
But take a look at those White/Hispanic families tho.
I am not advocating for anything to happen to public assistance, I am just pumping the brake of any “Closeted White Nationalist” who speaks on the “black moocher”, so to speak.
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Uncle Milton, thanks for clarifying. It just shows there are many ways to not only “interpret” statistics, but also to manipulate, skew, and massage them to fit just about any scenario. It’s why they shouldn’t be taken as “truth,” and are not necessarily more effective than anecdotal evidence, which often highlights patterns and trends more comprehensively.
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@Uncle Milton
You’re right that the SNAP stats I posted were incorrect. The Census, however, does not provide such data, rather USDA, which in 2011 indicated that 36.6 of recipients were white and 18.4% were “unknown.” http://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/default/files/2011Characteristics.pdf
The 2 points I intended to make were: 1) that TANF is one of the smallest federal welfare programs, and SNAP, of which at least 37% of recipients are white, is larger.
But both of these combined pale in comparison to the money spent on Social Security and Medicare, for which whites disproportionately benefit.For example, African Americans make up ONLY under 11% of Social Security and an estimated 10% of Medicare recipients, and receive less than average monthly benefits! http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/statcomps/supplement/2010/5a.html
http://kff.org/medicare/state-indicator/medicare-beneficiaries-by-raceethnicity/
2) The more important point, especially for people like Riverside Bob, is that African Americans disproportionately receive TANF or SNAP (the two smallest welfare programs) BECAUSE they disproportionately QUALIFY for those two programs. Just like whites disproportionately qualify for Social Security and Medicare benefits (the two biggest welfare programs).
It’s as if you qualified for a $100,000 grant. Would you really not apply for it, especially if you needed?
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Honest question: Maybe I don’t understand the term “natural hair style” because I can’t think of a natural hair style besides bald that would be acceptable in the professional workplace. Can someone help here?
I can understand and sympathize with the rest of the examples given of BP.
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@Joshua
This link will explain it better than I can. http://blackhair.about.com/od/glossary/g/natural.htm
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@Sharina
Thanks. The article made that clear and it was different than what I was assuming. I was thinking it meant it was just growing wild and unkept.
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I think I may have to take a look at twitter more. First #NotYourAsianSidekick and now #BlackPrivilege. The posts (twitter screenshots) were an interesting read. Thank you.
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whatisblackpriviledgeis how white people gave us what they wouldn’t dare eat (the waste)and we cook it, fried it, curry it ,barbeque, and brown stew it and now they too love the waste.
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BLackgal:
Here is a snippet of an article i read, where the whites in slavery days, used to not only eat the food, slaves prepared for them but also eat the slaves food, prepared for the slaves!
“Preparing for Christmas:
Most of the preparation for Christmas was done by the Black slaves. They “white washed,” the whole house and cleaned everything and they prepared the food, over the watchful eye of the plantation mistress. One of the first tasks of the enslaved African-Americans on the plantation was to bring in the Christmas tree for the white women to decorate .
The Christmas tree originated in the Southern regions of the United States. German immigrants brought the tenenbaum to the South and it spread across the United States and then the world. Some families in the South viewed the German immigrants as being in the same category as the abolitionist of the North.
The Black women who worked in the house prepared much of the food that the white family and their extended family would eat.
One task that the white people had was to disseminate invitations by hand to other white families for the New Year’s Eve Ball. Another “Task,” that white men had was to write passes for slaves to visit family on Christmas Day.
What kinds of foods did the white family eat for Christmas Dinner?
Ham, steaks, roast turkey, dressing, gravy, vegetables, bread pudding fruit, desserts and coffee
What Kinds of Foods did Those in the slave Quarters eat for Christmas Dinner?
Roast chicken, squirrel, pickled pig feet, poke salad, collard greens, eggs, ham hocks, ash cakes, persimmon wine
While the white family got to eat good, hearty meals regularly, Christmas was the only time during the year that Black families who were enslaved really had a chance to eat a full meal and not feel hunger.
Although the white families generally received the “best cut,” of the meat and the Black families in the quarters got the leftovers, the Black mothers and women in the slave quarters were able to create gourmet meals from what little they had and sometimes the white families would come and visit the slave quarters and they would eat some of the Chitlins or ash cakes that the Black family prepared…in addition to eating their own meals.”
Isn’t that something?
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@ soundis
its really sad when you hear the details. nevertheless we made some good food out of what they gave us.
Blackprivilledgeis. Is having a heritage we can be and should be proud of. because it was earned and stolen from others.
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correction our heritage was earned and not stolen from others.
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BLackgal:
indeed my friend…
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Reblogged this on La Virino Kiu Skribas and commented:
This.
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This may be too much common sense for some hard heads on here, but I’m going to try to give an example of black privilege with a “Black man’s” words. Herman Williams III, who by the way is very brilliant. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEuvkkhC3wU)
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@ dave
herman Williams is a dumbass cotton picker. now that’s common sense
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@dave
Here is a fair question. Is he brilliant because he agrees with you or is he simply brilliant?
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@dave
Looked at the video and it is merely a defense of paula deen and her using the N-word. Do you realize how much of a lack of common sense it takes for an individual to label this as brilliant? Most blacks don’t use the n-word and do not find it some what nice to be called it by another black either. If you want common sense then use it and stop looking for someone to direct you to it who clearly has none of their own.
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No. He’s a smart guy @Sharina. ..and to the person above you, I wasn’t going to respond at all to that nonsense, but I think you may be one of Abagond’s “Black sock puppets”
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@Sharina.. I posted two videos in open thread (posted last night, you can figure out the date), where he does a book read on a chapter of his book. His character of the book is speaking in the first person, so he uses a pen name. Now that in itself isn’t brilliant, but very clever. He also considers the character a space alien in a black man’s body, to try to be as unbiased as possible. That also has a double meaning. Because if you look at it spiritually and metaphysically, we are all space aliens in a temporary human body. Now that is where I think the brilliance comes from.
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@Sharina, to get back to the point of the video and how it relates to black privilege. .. The video is about the double standard of it, and what happened to Paula Deen would not have if some black privilege didn’t exist. Not whether or not “All” black people sit around all day and use the “N” word. I realize they don’t , just so you know.
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@dave
I did not see the link in open thread but I will look at it a bit later.
I understand the double standard so to speak but paula deen really did not loose much (or perhaps I don’t see a tv show lose as much).
“Not whether or not “All” black people sit around all day and use the “N” word. I realize they don’t , just so you know.”—I get that but my point is that most blacks don’t see it as acceptable for other blacks to do it either. Take for example my mother. She was a big fan of paula deen and was frankly hurt to find that she saw that as an acceptable term. My mom also does not listen to rap music or any type of music that promotes the n-word as an acceptable term. She did not turn on paula because she is a white person who said it. She turned on her because she deems the word unacceptable period.
This is something I noticed more in the older generation of blacks as opposed to the youth.
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Black privilege is when u don;t need the white man for s***!!!
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OK @Sharina I hear you there. God bless you and your family. Especially Momma. Love mine too.
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By the way forgiveness is a beautiful thing. If she still has that hate in her heart, and it’s not true that it was long ago,(she said she said it a while ago) then god will be the judge. It shouldn’t be up to “The food network” to be the judge, jury, and ruiner of careers. also if people still wanna buy her book they still should. Stores shouldn’t take it off the shelf because they are scared of politically correct consequences. Everyone should be wary of these divide and conquer social engineers.
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That’s preposterous. The Food Network is Paula Deen’s private contract employer. What you are saying is that it a free market company should not be able to end it’s association with a contractor. Nonsense! And their acting as “judge and jury” by simply firing an employee (a thing that happens every day) is just loaded language that is clearly out of place here.
Also, Paula Deen losing her TV show is not tantamount to Paula Deen “ruining her career” any more than you loosing your present job would mean that you had ruined your career. The difference being that Paula Deen has made enough money to make Croesus blush. If Paula never cooked another day in her life, she would die a very wealthy and very fortunate woman.
Again… communist doublespeak. This is a free market. Paula Deen’s books have not been banned. Anyone can buy or sell her books at any time.
(http://www.amazon.com/Paula-Deen-Friends-Living-Southern/dp/1476754527/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1389353121&sr=8-8&keywords=paula+deen)
And that includes Paula Deen herself, who could create her own website if Amazon is not selling enough books for her.
http://www.pauladeen.com
Your argument is clearly specious. The problem is that you are trying to create a special protection for racists against market forces. What you call “Political Correctness” would not work in the market if it was truly not how most people felt. Consider Duck Dynasty. If people want a product, it will ultimately succeed, and it’s detractors will be shouted down. If that has not happened with Paula Deen then it is because the judgement of society is that she is deserving of her fate.
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“Your argument is clearly specious.”
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LOL @dave, the not so undercover troll!
Specious. A clever and very POLITE way to say that your argument is full of sh@t!
King, you are truly a gentleman to the core. : ))
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dave:
Stores shouldn’t take it off the shelf because they are scared of politically correct consequences. Everyone should be wary of these divide and conquer social engineers.
Why do you expect PoC to ignore every bit of sh1te dished out to them? Even on this blog you find it difficult to turn the other cheek and that is with people that you have never even met and are unlikelty to meet either.
Stores SHOULD take it off the shelf – there HAVE to be consequences to actions otherwise people dont learn. It should NOT be about the fear of ‘Politically Correct’ consequences – people should not want to endorse people who do not aspire to have respect.
I’m sure that if you knew that a certain brand/product had links with/ employed a very senior person who had links with say, paedophilia that you would boy cot buying their stuff too – be honest and admit it if you dare!
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@Sondis, I feel somewhat uncomfortable about your use of “black” and “white”. May I suggest you watch the Ask A Slave series?
A problem mentioned there in connection with your kind of description, is that it encourages “ALL” white people, to paint themselves in the position of the upper 1%. It sugar coats slavery and racism to them.
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Paula’s recent problems are not the fault of the Food Network, the Bookstores that pulled her cookbooks, or the person who revealed Ms Deen’s racist beliefs to the public. Deen’s problems in this context are of her own making, and blame for them lies with her own mouth.
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@Onmipress Should xbox discontinue gta? I’m sure that graphic game would hurt your soul more than Paula’s book.
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Bottom line is I don’t care about the lady and never watched her show or tried her recipes. My thing is if you ban the “Nword” be sure that there are more “words” that will fall next. I believe it was a town that tried to ban the term “Brown bagging it” because someone felt that was offensive. The point is not whether Paula is right or wrong to me. The point is who are you or anyone else to say so. If she said it directly to an intern or an employee with hatred, I would get it. But black people want to feel like there is a separation with who uses the word and the line in the sand is very hard to define.
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@King the whole point was to find some black privilege, it is hard to find. But this is an example. If when George Foreman was selling his “grills” and he admitted to using some “racist” language I doubt his product would be taken off the shelves.
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Dave, Forbes reports that Paula Deen is at least worth Paula Deen, $17 million. Her books are still selling (albeit, more slowly than before)
She could have very easily done much worse in life. Paula Deen was lucky, and now, saying something very stupid has tarnished her luck somewhat. So what? All she has to do is invest her money and enjoy her grand children. Why cry over Paula Deen? She’s still a one percenter!
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@King.. I don’t care if she is rich or poor. What I think is.. the line in the sand on who can say what is more hurtful than helpful considering race relations. There is more to this life than money. Her grandkids may shun her. Or maybe that is her passion dealing with the public. Maybe she can’t on the same level now. The way I look at it is if she said “All those Italian grease balls in the Northeast make me sick and I can’t stand every single one of those degos” now that would be worse than what she did.. and guess what .. I wouldn’t give two sHites. Society tells you that that word carries more power than it does.
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@ Dave
Your original argument went to her career and livelihood. My response was to put forward the idea that her livelihood is already secure and not a concern.
Secondly, Paula Deen has not become a social pariah in most circles, she has simply lost some contracts. Like I said, she has been very fortunate… there are thousands of Southern chefs who could have been her. She was at the right place at the right time, and she worked hard to maximize her good luck. Now she is less popular because something she once said has come back to bite her. That’s the breaks, and she still comes out on top, given all of the possibilities.
The word has power because it was the banner and battle standard of oppression, violence, hatred, and dehumanization, of a large group of Americans for no other reason than that they looked different. The word never went away, and is used, to this day, by people who still wish to oppress, hate, and dehumanize.It’s power is in it’s history and in it’s present applications, tied to said history. If you’re not Black and have never been called it, I doubt if you are in a position to pontificate about its power.
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I hear you @King.
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@King lets agree she probably is a scum. I don’t know that for sure though based on a word. It doesn’t define her whole life. I don’t know much about her. I do know that there are black people who don’t know her either and all they know is they heard she used the “nword” and she’s white. That’s all some people need to crucify.
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I don’t know if she’s scum or not. All I know is that she said something racist once. I don’t know anybody who’s trying to define her entire life based on it. On the other hand, such statements and ideas seldom appear out of absolute thin air, with no connecting threads.
The challenge for me is to not react 100% emotionally about what she said. The challenge for you is to stop treating this as if it’s a tragedy that she’s had any serious consequences. People like Paula Deen, Don Imus, and Jimmy “the Greek,” are making millions in very media sensitive positions. If they tip over the apple cart with a racist comment, it’s not like they are asked to return all of their money, or go to jail, or even take a beating. In fact Martin Luther King was much more “crucified” than Paula Deen, and he didn’t do anything to deserve it. The consequences of simply being Black have most often been much more severe than being a White racist.
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@King.. Some of that had changed though. People like “The new black panthers” have been given forum to say hateful things on national news. People like Michael Eric Dyson can say things like “Some white kids need to die to make people feel the pain” also on a national news network. People don’t come out against these people as much imo.
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….and Dyson is a college professor. Who do you think is more racist? Paula or Dyson?
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Paula Deen is in the situation she is in because of her employment practices which are illegal and in violation of federal law, she treated her black workers poorly subjected then to lousy pay on the job racism and discrimination and it caught up with her big fat racist thieving ass. Period. Paula Deen is nothing but a big fat culture vulture but she will persist in this miserab;e nation because black america is nowhere near waking up from it’s stupor.
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dave
Onmipress Should xbox discontinue gta? I’m sure that graphic game would hurt your soul more than Paula’s book.
*rolls eyes* at the way that dave is trying to avoid the question.
You didnt answer my question – I know exactly why……….
Some of that had changed though. People like “The new black panthers” have been given forum to say hateful things on national news. People like Michael Eric Dyson can say things like “Some white kids need to die to make people feel the pain” also on a national news network. People don’t come out against these people as much imo.
Well done dave – you have done it again. Managed to turn the conversation around to show yet another example where a PoC says something so bad it makes you feel threatened.
Does anyone not notice a pattern with dave?
A new post comes out – he comments and talks about how ‘black people do this and that too’ he then engages with a commenter, he then pipes up with some article of some ‘latest’ thing that PoC – (ALL of them but he darent say it), are doing to decent white people. Despite people pointing out to him that PoC on a whole are not responsible for what a minority do, he makes out that whatever the latest ‘trend’ is, that it is a threat to him and all other honorary whites. Suddenly, there is a fear of ‘rioting’ and ‘reprisals’ and ‘mobs’ taking over things – btw, only dave will have seen these specific news articles that tell of this imminent danger. Then there is the ‘we are all getting $hitted on from a great height by this government’ talk. Then, he tries to say that whatever the original issue within the post that it is not as bad as what one PoC has said/done to/might do to X)
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^^^^
Re the above – apologies, it sounds quite rambly.
dave seems to want PoC people to keep turning the other cheek and not react to anything that is done to them. He seems to be terrified of PoC being in a position where they might feel unjustifiably angry about things
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Black privilege is being talked to like u are a “homegirl” and not talked to with respect. Black privilege is hearing a derogatory word be used as if it is a term of endearment. Black privilege is having to correct the people that use that word towards u because they think it’s cool to say that word and the sellout blacks have allowed them to do it so they think they can say it to every black person.
Black privilege is being on guard a lot of times and feeling uneasy being around some people. Black privilege is being called a n@@@ or a b!@ch and not being able to deal with the foolishness of ur peers who think it’s acceptable.
Black privilege sucks so if anybody wants it go right ahead.
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I never comment here, but am always reading and you just blew me away!!!
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With all due respect, there are some social privileges that come with being black in America, but many of those privileges are not real and they are tied to stereotypes. For example:
1.) Black privilege is having bad behavior being rewarded, for males at least. Some of the most prominent figures in black youth culture are unsavory characters like gangster rappers, hoodlum pro-athletes and career criminals. Some of the richest black men in America (i.e. Jay-Z) made a living glorifying a life of career dope dealing in the ghetto; a lifestyle he probably only flirted with as a nickel and dime project hustler. But figures like Jay-Z, Lil Wayne and 50 Cent are role models for millions of misguided young black men. They have built multimillion dollar empires glorifying all of the worst aspects of ghetto life in drug dealing and gang banging. Many black men have come to believe that being a drug dealer, a gang banger and a killer is a the authentic black experience because of the complete gangsterization of Hip Hop culture over the past twenty years. But a young black man who sell drugs for living and has tattoos everywhere and stays intoxicated 24/7 rarely has a shortage of women and money before they eventually burn out, die or go to jail. A rapper who makes a cheap video with the same cliche topics of murder, dope dealing and ignorance can got viral overnight. American culture makes heroes out of black men being “thugs”.
2.) Black privilege is everyone assuming you have a large penis even if you are average sized. Black male emasculation occurs in the form of mass incarceration, an uphill battle for gainful employment, but black male sexuality is never denied like how it is for Asian American men.
3.) Black privilege is never having your oppression denied. Nobody in their right mind in America aside from Fox News viewers would argue that blacks in America are not oppressed. But sometimes, it can get a little silly. A black man who is a trustfund baby from a wealthy family is not in the same boat as a crackbaby without parents living on the streets of East Baltimore. Asians are constantly denied the fact that they are oppressed in some ways.
4.) Black privilege is being left alone by other races because everyone is scared of you. If you are a black male of at least average size, other races of men will more likely leave you alone because they assume you can fight and are quick to fight at the drop of a hat. Black men are not seen as weak unlike Asian men. No non-black person wants to piss a black woman off because of the attitude stereotypes.
5.) Black privilege is all other races of people look at you like you’re “cool” even when you might be an unremarkable, untalented boring person. To draw self-esteem from the cultural contributions of other people who look like you is silly. Talented people are proud of their achievements, not the achievements of their perceived “race”. That being said, no other races dress up and try to stereotypically “act Asian” or “act Native American” or “act Indian” unless it’s a in mocking racist Frat party type of way. But all Americans of all races are constantly try to “act black” all the time because it’s perceived as cool. That is some heavy and enviable social currency that cannot be bought or sold.
6.) Black privilege is turning on the TV and the radio and seeing/hearing your people well represented. Yes, it is horrible that gangster rap has come to dominate much of the mainstream identity for young black America. But you also have diverse and positive representations of blacks in the media. In the 70’s, you had movies like Cooley High. In the 80’s, you had the Cosby Show and a Different World. In the 90’s, you had the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Martin, Parenthood as well as realistic portrayals of black life in seminal movies like Do The Right Thing and Boyz ‘N The Hood. In Hip Hop’s heyday, you had positive acts like A Tribe Called Quest, Main Source, Brand Nubian, De La Soul, Pharcyde, Jungle Brothers, Souls of Mischief, Public Enemy, Gang Starr among many others. Even today, you have popular positive black rappers like Kendrick Lamar. You have mature black male actors like Denzel Washington and Idris Elba. You have prettyboy ladies man R&B singers like Trey Songz and Chris Brown. You have many black female sex symbols like Rihanna, Beyonce, Nicki Minaj, Alicia Keys and Halle Berry.
What do Asians, Native Americans, Indians and Arabs have? Nobody really. There are no Asian American male sex symbols. Asian American masculinity is marginalized more than anyone else. There are no classic Asian American movies that show a slice of life. Where are the movies about Asian Americans living in Funktown in East Oakland? Where are the authentic TV shows about Asian American life? Eddie Huang was deeply upset about the watered down portrayal of his life story on Fresh Off the Boat. Who is the Asian American equivalent of Eminem? Afterall, Asians are more likely to be poor than whites, but you would never know that from mainstream media representation.
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