Some white people have trouble reading American rape statistics.
White commenters will say stuff like this:
Fact – blacks rape white women 2000 (yes 2000) times more than whites rape black women.
or this:
In the United States in 2005, 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a black man, while between zero and ten black females were sexually assaulted or raped by a white man.
They back this up with the infamous Table 40 or 42 of the US Department of Justice’s yearly “Criminal Victimization in the United States, Statistical Tables”.
Here are the latest numbers for black-and-white rapes from Table 42:
Table 42. Personal crimes of violence, 2008:
Percent distribution of single-offender victimizations, by type of crime, race of victim, and perceived race of offender
…
Rape/sexual assault (a), Race of victim:
- White only 117,640: perceived race of offender: 74.9% white, 16.4%* black
- Black only 46,580: perceived race of offender: 0.0%* white, 74.8%* black
The star means “Estimate is based on 10 or fewer sample cases.”
So if you take 16.4% of the 117,640 white women raped in 2008 that gives you 19,286 white women raped by black men! That means that even if as many as ten white men raped black women that year, the highest number allowed by the table, blacks rape white women 1,927 (yes 1,927) times more than whites rape black women.
So our commenters seem to be pretty much right.
Well, no:
Misreading #1: The numbers are not about “rape” but “rape and sexual assault (a)”. Sexual assault means any kind of unwanted sexual touching, like groping or kissing. And the “(a)” means “Includes verbal threats of rape and threats of sexual assault”. So it is way more than just rape. Rape is probably just a small part of it.
Misreading #2: Notice that the star meaning “ten or fewer” applies not just to white-on-black “rape and sexual assault (a)” but to black-on-white cases too! So if we claim that ten or fewer black women were raped by white men then we should also say that ten or fewer white women were raped by black men!
Misreading #3: The star means “Estimate is based on 10 or fewer sample cases”, the key word here being “sample”. They did not ask everyone in the country but a sample of 77,852 people, about one in 4,000. So there could have been as many as 40,000 black women raped by white men that year!
Misreading #4: The reason for the star is because ten or fewer sample cases are way too few to draw any firm statistical conclusions. Mere chance could throw the numbers way off.
As it turns out, of the 77,852 people surveyed, only 56 people reported “rape and sexual assault (a)”. According to the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN) only 7.5% of sexual assaults are rapes and of those only 6.7% are between whites and blacks. So out of the 56 sample cases, maybe only 4 were rape and of those probably none were interracial.
So this is a case of white people seeing what they want to see, of misreading facts to fit racist stereotypes.
See also:
- US Department of Justice: Criminal Victimization in the United States, 2008 Statistical Tables
- “The average African IQ is 70″ – another case of reading facts to fit racist stereotypes
- black rape statistics
- The black brute stereotype
- The pure white woman stereotype
- confirmation bias
- reading while white: history and news
- reading while white: this blog
Abagond – I think you “see what you want to see” as well. Statistics can be used to say whatever conclusion you want to come to as you have just done and as other posters do as well. And as you suggest that statistics don’t tell the story, your logical position should be to toss all statistics out. Or are you just angry that the statistics if read properly do not support the conclusion you have already come to? Pretty simplistic don’t you think in supporting what you and others want to say. At the end of the day, both sides in this discussion become increasingly polarized.
Perhaps you should read the recent statistics and information forwarded by black advocacy groups like the NAACP. They don’;t seem to agree with you either which is again why you don’t cite them..
And you forgot one more interesting statistic- the number of black men who rape black women – pretty high number and far higher than any number you want to use. And then matched up with the number of white men who rape black women. Perhaps the problem black women have with rape is with black men – not white men? But then you don’t want to hear that do you? . We’re not talking about that are we because you can’t use it to support your argument that all white men are despicable and should be taken out and shot by all the exemplary black people.
Get a life – this is 2011 – are you part of the solution or part of the problem?
When I first saw this blog I thought it was an interesting discussion that included issues about white and black people trying to get along and live together. But I seem to have been deeply wrong. As the father of two Fijian girls and the partner of Fijian women, I absolutely will not show your website to them. We seem to do pretty good without your blatant racism towards white men and lack of any interest in creating a positive dialog.
You and the other posters don’t need to abuse me with your answers as I am terminating my membership as soon as this email is sent.
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A lot of people have been overly influenced by propaganda that says Black men are desperate for White women. And the rape narrative is apart of that propaganda and has been around for hundreds of years. So it’s no wonder that many people, including Black people, ignore the fact that most crime occurs within ethnic groups. Black on Black and White on White, etc.
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@Bob
We seem to do pretty good without your blatant racism towards white men and lack of any interest in creating a positive dialog.
Interesting Bob, because your input thus far has been to assert that certain ingrained aspects of history did not happen. It seems you too prefer to ‘see what you want to see’ in terms of the fact that you not once, but twice stated on different blogs that rape against black women was not committed in slavery times. If you opened your eyes and looked, the evidence is all around you as the descendents of these slaves live and breathe in the here and now.
You and the other posters don’t need to abuse me with your answers as I am terminating my membership as soon as this email is sent.
Just as you have your opinions Bob so do other posters. As you seem happy to live in this bubble that you have created with your family then so be it. For the record, I understand your fears and concerns however, I dont agree with the way you try to mislead others and yourself…..
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Only 56 rapes/sexual assaults out of 77k reported crimes? At this point I don’t think it’s possible to draw any conclusions about who is raping whom!
There’s no epidemic of strange black men raping white women and there never has been. For one thing, stranger rapes are the rare kind. Most people (be it women, men, or children) are raped by someone they know. As we know, white people tend to avoid knowing black people if they can. There are no black guys roving around white neighborhoods attacking only white women. It’s hard enough for black guys to “rove” white neighborhoods for good purposes, much less nefarious ones.
I also think it is possible that black people are much less likely to report rapes and sexual assaults. I don’t have any research on that, just personal experience. With only 56 reports out of 77k crimes, it’s clear most people don’t report anyway.
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@Bob,
You’ve exercised your colonialist positioning to marry a Fijian woman. You’re the ultimate racist.
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@ Ann,
Not if she proposed.
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It seems the white lord and master knows best.
Succinctly (and aptly in this instance) put Bulanik
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Excellent post Abagond senpai, I wish was as good at fact-finding. One day….one day
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Demerera, Bulanik,
Have you two thought about starting a blog page because you have a lot of information. Please consider it. You always have excellent responses to Abagond’s posts.
As for the post itself it’s simply hard to believe that black men are roaming around raping white women in outrageously high numbers. Like Bulanik said this is part of the image of the hypersexualized black male who lust for white women and is hellbent on taking away her “innocence.” In the minds of white men black men are nothing more than big d*cks with brainless black bodies. The d*ck is in control of the black man according to them. This is the center of their fetish with the black male rapist myth.
White people are so obsessed with the black male rapist, they will even make up news reports, statistics, and crime reports. This not rational thinking by any means. These are not even moral acts by definition. They are just lies.
I ALWAYS say this, while they are so worried about the black brute rapist who will deflower another “pure” white woman, a white man, or two, is raping a white woman or even worse, a white child. This is a messed up society when a man responsible for so much destruction has made it so that he is STILL respected and love and at the expense of the people he destroyed.
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The meme that launched ‘Birth of A Nation’, and hundreds of lynchings, circa 1900’s thru 1940’s.
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Seems like Herman Cain also likes that tender succulent white women meat… Who could blame him ?????
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Proud,
Thank you! Rape is about power, conquest, and dysfunction. There is no love or romance involved.
I call it some kind of fetish. Assuming that Craig is a white man, white dudes seem to have this warped fetish for black men raping white women. I doubt they are truly protective of white women as they say. If they were, they wouldn’t be so obsessed with only black men violating white women. They wouldn’t pull stats and reports out of their asses. They wouldn’t float around online searching for anti-racist sites to tell them how black men are (put any large number here) times more likely to rape white women.
These white males have a disdain for white women because while they proclaim that black men are coming for their women white males somewhere are raping white women. White males have raped PoC and white women for more years than there are characters in this response. For some reason, that’s not important or as arousing to white men. They have some kind of passion for black men raping white women, and that is the very definition of mental sickness.
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From what I’ve observed the interracial rape statistics often get pulled out along with interracial mugging statistics and the “we’ve paid you back 100 times over for the wealth made through slavery in welfare payments” the moment institutionalised, structural racism starts to be exposed and presented, when the extent of White racism and oppression is revealed and the central role of White people in the suppression and sabotage of Black progress is presented and proven with undeniable facts and evidence backing it up and the White racist can’t refute it.
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On the subject of Pornography the new fetish White people have is the “cuckold” one, where the White man sits there and watches his wife have sex with a “Black Buck” and then when the “Black Buck” has “finished” and left his seed inside the White woman she then commands the White Cuckold to eat it, and he does. No I’m not making this up.
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Oh yes white men are raping black women left and right and black men are innocent little lambs. That’s what you getting at right?
proudchocolategirl. Oh really, I grew up in a black community and if you don’t want to sexual harassed/raped on the street and be followed by a gang of black men you don’t smile or make eye contact. Black Americans thinks if you make eye contact with a woman she wants you.
Oh you are young and quite naive.
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“Read Eldridge Cleaver’s “Soul on Ice,” and you’ll see this cuckhold fantasy is nothing new…”
Yes, but the White man wanting to eat the Black man’s seed out of his Wife’s genitals is a new twist on an old fantasy right?
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Agabond, usually I find your posts to be logical, focused, and well founded on good data, but here I’m not quite sure where you are going. We all know it’s easy to mis-use stastics. We also know that the Federal crime data set is incomplete or inaccurate for a number of reasons (including data on hate crimes). Your analysis goes beyond simply impugning the data, however; it’s tortured in the way one associates with extremists, such as the Aryan nationalists.
Most rapes occur between people who already know one another or have some community or social connection of some sort. Thus, the majority will naturally be mono-racial.
The data does support a conclusion that, among rapes that are not mono-racial, very few nowadays involve white men raping black women. For the most part, if a black woman is raped, it is by a black man. This is certainly consistent with anecdotal data I have observed in my lifetime.
There is a certain irony in this for white men who, like me, are in biracial families. We hear over and over again that, among other things, black women who marry white men are in some way betraying black women, some notion that they are condoning or affirming or at least ignoring the practice of white men raping black women. Certainly there was a time in this nation when that was common. However, if current-day rape statistics were the sole deciding factor in the ethnicity of black women’s dating choices, black women ought to run, not walk, to Swirltown.
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You make it out like more WM are raping more BW than BM are raping WW TODAY. Simply not true on what I’ve seen.
I’m of African decent but I’m not AA. One things that is very different between our kinds is that we don’t feel the need to coddle our men. Your arguments makes it seems like you would be the first one to go on TV and say “my boy ain’t done nuthin’ ” and ” She knew what she was doing ” after him and his homies went and gang raped a 12 year old girl. I find that kind of behaviour to be the most disgusting thing I’ve seen in American when I lived there.
Also the last comment made it seem like Quiana Jenkins had it coming in your mind.
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@Sandra
“Simply not true on what I’ve seen.”
What you saw on TV (which over reports Black crime and under reports White)? From what you saw in the hood (which is filled with nothing but black on black crime)? From what you saw in a middle class white neighborhood (where Black men are routinely profiled and followed)? Empirical evidence collected by the federal government isn’t go enough for you?
“One things that is very different between our kinds is that we don’t feel the need to coddle our men.”
First suspect comment coming from this so called African person. Aren’t most African societies and ethnic groups patriarchal? And if I am wrong about this assessment please tell me the ethnic group that you come from.
“Your arguments makes it seems like you would be the first one to go on TV and say “my boy ain’t done nuthin’ ” and ” She knew what she was doing ” after him and his homies went and gang raped a 12 year old girl.”
You comment doesn’t pass the smell test for a person claiming to be “african but not AA”. Your comment sounds more like a racist white person’s attempt to write in stereotypical black “language”. And for your education Sandra nobody in the hood uses the word “homies” anymore….
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As far as WM raping BW goes, we know that rape has been used as a weapon to shame BW into silence.
I’m quite sure that during the civil rights era, before we had the rights to vote, sit where we wish on the bus, at store counters, in diners, etc. – when BW went door-to-door to gather signatures, how many of them were abducted, raped and beaten by Klansmen, and then thrown to the side of the road like a bag of trash? How many survived these encounters, yet didn’t report them because of police officers who would only believe that they were prostitutes who “got what they deserved”?
http://www.randomhouse.com/…/at-the-dark-end-of-the-street-by-danielle-l-mcguire
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@Bulanik
Whenever I ponder this issue, it always feels like it is the black man’s Reputation that is being manipulated and slandered – as a mechanism of social control.
Excellent and accurate point here. It is the intention to do just that, mark the black man out as being some kind of sexual pariah who’s all encompassing desire is to ‘mate’ with women as though he were some kind of animal constantly on heat. It also serves to dehumanize BM, and portray them as continually acting on their impulses in the most base and savage way.
The repressed and inhibited, use Sex as a device to determine good from evil and anyone who is deemed as to have a seemingly pronounced ‘sexuality’ due to generalisations/stereotypes/physicality is on the side of the devil. As WP often claim to have brought Christianity to the ‘Godless’ black continents where the people ran around bare, and were deemed to behave like ‘primitives’, this serves to confirm to some WP that without their so called ‘civilised’ teachings, POC would have been ‘humping’ everything in sight.
In all honesty, I havent seen one bit of definitive data that either supports or disproves the idea that most rapists are BM or that BM are pre-disposed to commit this kind of act. What I have found though is that of the WM who make these assertions on here, there is generally an underlying and common factor – that of feeling emasculated as an individual. It may not necesarily be due to encounters, negative or otherwise with BP but, it is used as a way to shift blame and elevate themselves. Often, WM who assert high BM rape statistics will also state that WM rape on BW rape didnt happen – ever. Does this reflect latent/submerged feelings of sorrow and guilt? I doubt it, for in these instances it is merely a way of highlighting the so called ingrained, inherent and sexual deviant nature of the BM in contrast to the so called decent and honourable WM.
The crux of the matter is that rape is a heinous and appalling crime where, regardless of what ‘colour’ the perpetrator is, castration often isnt good enough.
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Abagond:
I understand your point, but, we can’t continue to sweep s**t under the rug, as it relates to violence and criminal-minded black males. As a race of men, we have a serious problem in this country and abroad as well. Blackmen are committing acts of violence against blackwomen and whitewomen as well. There are a million excuses as to why violent blackmen think and act the way they do. Bottomline, the bulls**t needs to stop. We live in a country that promotes violence against women…hollywood…video-games…hip-hop, etc. Why are blackmen trying to be like their slavemasters? We’ve taken on the mindset of the men who enslaved and raped our women…Real Talk! Abagond, any blackman that doesn’t love blackwomen doesn’t give a damn about other women as well. I wanna stress this point to whitewomen, in particular. Running around with self-hating blackmen is foolish. If they don’t care about the women that created them, Why would they give a blank about whitewomen, asian women, etc. Being an “Uncle Tom” is cool with the “Y” generation, Hell No! It’s not cool to hate blackwomen and women in general. Are you a champion of women, Yes or No!!!
Tyrone
Black Eros Movement
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MK82
Oh yeah we all live in huts and obey the might man. What is this magic machine I’m using?
Sorry buddy. This is 2011. We do as we pleases.
Just google one of the bigger rape scandals and watch some interviews. You’ll see what I’m talking about. But then again you might not. Got to preserve that male privilege and have all those male identifying women on your side.
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@Brothawolf
Thank you! Rape is about power, conquest, and dysfunction. There is no love or romance involved.
and
white dudes seem to have this warped fetish for black men raping white women. I doubt they are truly protective of white women as they say. If they were, they wouldn’t be so obsessed with only black men violating white women. They wouldn’t pull stats and reports out of their asses. They wouldn’t float around online searching for anti-racist sites to tell them how black men are (put any large number here) times more likely to rape white women.
I wholehearteldy agree with what you say here. One guy on another blog started to go into the intracacies of why WW ‘dont’ rape BW and it was sickening that he was trying to make out he was above it all yet seemed to revel in detailing what was so preferable to WW as oppossed to BW in these type of instances. His appalling comment left me in no doubt that he was less concerned about the actual crime of ‘rape’ but about the comparison between BM and WM and their sexuality.
BTW, I thank you for your earlier comments but I fear that I am neither objective enough nor as patient as yourself and abagond. 🙂 Besides I learn so much from the interactions on here – both the good and the bad and I also get a perspective of issues in other parts of the world too. Its nice to think that my contributions are noticed though 🙂
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@Proud,
“I read an article about how white men are the largest consumers of interracial porn and a common theme that we discussed in my class within that porn was groups of black men sleeping with one white woman (i’m giving nice language) at the same time… and surprisingly these are largely consumed by…white men…so you might be on to something…maybe it is some kind of warped fetish…can’t really explain this appeal, but u might just be right…”
@Bulanik
“Is there any doubt that titilation plays a HUGE part in thee white racist understanding of rape stats? You do know that a MAJOR theme in pornography is BBC (Big Black C***)? Of course the narrative – if you can call it that – centres on the white female who makes out she is pure but really wants to be ‘ravaged’ by the BBC, lots of it?
Black men used to be white men’s slaves in America, and the essence of this persists and lives on in pornography and the white racist understanding of rape. We can not be blind to this, and we can not underestimate its pervasive influence. The pornography industry is massive, it makes money because it feeds fantasy and is fed by fantasy. The Black Buck sells.
The black male is a powerful stimulant for the white racist imagination which feels “entitled” to pleasure from the dark body…that equates black skin with ‘animalism’, believes Africans are dark primitives. White racism is grounded in a sense of it’s own high civilization, yet nevertheless hemmed in and un-sexed by it. That’s why fantasy is so useful! That’s why exaggerated black male statistics are necessary .
One common theme is pornography is the cuckolding fantasy.
The white man comes home to find the white wife in congress with her black lover, etc. Yet the white husband observes the proceedings with secret relish and does not disturb it. What is this, but white male sexual fear AND desire encapsulated and personified?”
Very interesting and very true.
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When the lurid and evil history of White people’s unprovoked crimes against Black people for centuries are being discussed with credible evidence: the rape of Black women, lynching, torture, using Black babies as bait for alligators, depraved sexual abuse and psychological abuse, it upsets and annoys White racists, as it conflicts with the fantasy view they have of themselves as good, decent and morally superior people.
So White racists misuse and invent statistics about Black rape against White women and Black violence against White people so they can try and justify all the violence and rape they actually did commit in the past with “yeah and you rob and rape us all the time right now!” which is basically the playground tactic of “you did it too!” and an attempt to draw a “both sides are equally guilty of crimes against each other” false equivalence.
They also do it to try and justify the lynchings they committed as necessary to control the “wild Black rapists and killers” and to try and justify the systemic institutional racism they practice today as being a natural reaction to all the supposed crimes Black people commit against them.
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@Demerera
“I wholehearteldy agree with what you say here. One guy on another blog started to go into the intracacies of why WW ‘dont’ rape BW and it was sickening that he was trying to make out he was above it all yet seemed to revel in detailing what was so preferable to WW as oppossed to BW in these type of instances. His appalling comment left me in no doubt that he was less concerned about the actual crime of ‘rape’ but about the comparison between BM and WM and their sexuality.
BTW, I thank you for your earlier comments but I fear that I am neither objective enough nor as patient as yourself and abagond. Besides I learn so much from the interactions on here – both the good and the bad and I also get a perspective of issues in other parts of the world too. Its nice to think that my contributions are noticed though.”
When I blog, I’m not always objective and I’m no expert. However, most of what I write is based on things I’ve experienced, seen, read, and heard. I admit, my blog isn’t the best, but I write from the heart. Also, you can control who gets to say what. You can stop trolls from coming in if you want. I dunno. Just a suggestion
But back on the subject, I find it troubling that guys like that are “concerned” about what kind of girl gets raped, but will likely do nothing about it in real life. Also, most of them will not hesitate to make up outrageous stories about how a white woman was gang-raped in so-and-so. To me that tells me that not only are they too concerned with how traumatic rape really is, but in their sick mind, they actually support it. That explains why the black male-on-white woman rape mythos is the subject of the day all the time. That’s why any and all rapes against women of color go unnoticed because in their minds, they asked for it.
At least that’s how I see it.
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one thing i will say is that bw may be a little too street smart to be raped by wm. i remember as young girl growing up from about nine to seventeen, while walking to the store, white men always summoning me to get into their car. of course, we black girls already knew that wm were perverts and we would never even dream about getting into a car with one of them.
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oh yea, and yes, i remembered i too experianced a wm exposing himself to me. i was on a public bus and a sicko white old ass man took out his small limp dick and started masterbating right then and there.
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@Tyrone
“I understand your point, but, we can’t continue to sweep s**t under the rug, as it relates to violence and criminal-minded black males. As a race of men, we have a serious problem in this country and abroad as well. Blackmen are committing acts of violence against blackwomen and whitewomen as well. There are a million excuses as to why violent blackmen think and act the way they do. Bottomline, the bulls**t needs to stop. We live in a country that promotes violence against women…hollywood…video-games…hip-hop, etc. Why are blackmen trying to be like their slavemasters? We’ve taken on the mindset of the men who enslaved and raped our women…Real Talk! Abagond, any blackman that doesn’t love blackwomen doesn’t give a damn about other women as well. I wanna stress this point to whitewomen, in particular. Running around with self-hating blackmen is foolish. If they don’t care about the women that created them, Why would they give a blank about whitewomen, asian women, etc. Being an “Uncle Tom” is cool with the “Y” generation, Hell No! It’s not cool to hate blackwomen and women in general. Are you a champion of women, Yes or No!!!”
I don’t think Abagond was trying to sweep the problem under the rug. I think he was trying to point out that black men are not a group of natural-born rapists. However, I still agree with what you’re saying. I also like to add that a black man that doesn’t care about black women doesn’t care about himself. Period. No self-respecting black man, or any man for that matter, would harm a woman. Sadly, we live in a society that promotes violence and hatred towards women for power and profit.
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I’m not a troll, I’m a person who has a sick father. I have grown to like some of the people on here , but why do you hate me. Because I disagree with you, you peops need to take a long look at why you ignore unfavorable statistics, and glorify favorable ones.
what about prison rape stats.
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@MK82:
First suspect comment coming from this so called African person. Aren’t most African societies and ethnic groups patriarchal? And if I am wrong about this assessment please tell me the ethnic group that you come from.
You comment doesn’t pass the smell test for a person claiming to be “african but not AA”. Your comment sounds more like a racist white person’s attempt to write in stereotypical black “language”. And for your education Sandra nobody in the hood uses the word “homies” anymore….
I am also under the impression Sandra is not what she claims.
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@Bulanik
Oh yea. Black men definitely have privileges over black women. Even though we both are in the same boat, we still have advantages according to our communities due to our gender. Just like you mentioned, the black community’s patriarchal mindset will defend most black men in a heartbeat. There was at least one exception in 1993 when the black community condemned Michael Lewis (Little B) for a murder he most likely never committed, but the thing is the victim was another black man who was painted as some hard-working, good father when he was anything but.
We seem to see saving black men as a higher priority than saving black women probably from believing what you said about the belief that black women have privileges over black men.
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@ Blanc2:
The data DOES NOT support your kindly picture of white men and black women, just as it DOES NOT support the black rapist stereotype. In fact interracial rape is so rare that you cannot draw ANY conclusions about it from the DOJ numbers. That is the whole point of my post. I bring up the DOJ numbers because they have been repeatedly used on this very blog to support the sort of Jim Crow fairy tale that whites seem to hold so dear to their hearts.
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@ proudchocolategirl
I pretty much agree with your perceptions but can give no reason for the strange hang-ups white men have about black men and sex.
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To Abagond,
This is so true and it goes further than the fixation on Black man as rapists of White women. Both political parties promote the idea of an oversexed Black man ravishing White women. Didn’t George Bush Sr. used the Willie Horton ad to exploit White peoples’ fears and hatred toward Blacks? He did and won the election which would have otherwise have gone to fmr. governor Michael Dukakis. The fact that Republicans use the Black rapist mythology to win votes says more about their racism than anything else.
Steph
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Also more race baiting from the Republican party:
Race Baiting in the Willie Horton fashion? David C. Foster says:
Democrats call for condemnation of offensive CA36 web ad featuring stripper and ‘gangbangers’
By Rachel Rose Hartman
Democrats are expressing outrage over a web ad launched yesterday targeting Democrat Janice Hahn in California’s upcoming 36th District special election.
The web commercial, which claims to be paid for by a new group called “Turn Right USA”, accuses Hahn of giving gang members money so they can “rape and kill again.” The ad features a faceless blonde, white woman (Hahn is blonde and white) grinding on a stripper poll and getting bills stuffed into her shorts, as two black men portraying gangsters sing: “Give me your cash, b*tch, so we can shoot up the street. Give me your cash, b*tch, so we can buy some more heat.”
Hahn, a Los Angeles City Councilwoman, employed reformed gang members to participate in Los Angeles gang intervention programs.
The creator of the ad has identified himself as filmmaker and recent attack ad creator Ladd Ehlinger, who writes on his personal website that the ad simply makes him laugh:
The ad’s funny. It makes me laugh. So if, for some reason, it’s pulled by [sic] youTube, a thousand will be launched in its place all over Algorez’ Internetz. Because you’re only drawing more attention to your past of supporting criminals, Janice, and forcing policemen out of their jobs for doing their duty. So there you go. Claim victimhood all you like, but how many people were victimized by your coddling? There’s a reason Mayor Villaraigosa took the program away from you. He’s a Democrat. So are you. Think about it.
Ehlinger has been trying to establish himself as the viral political ad man. He gained some notoriety in 2010 for a Dale Peterson for Alabama Agricultural Commissioner ad that showed Peterson calling people “dummies” and for a 2010 ad on behalf of another candidate that portrayed then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as a wicked witch.
Since Turn Right USA is an independent group, it appears the Republican running in California’s 36th District race–advertising executive Craig Huey–has no direct connection to the commercial. But regardless, Democrats are calling on Huey to address the offensive spot.
“Craig Huey must condemn this offensive and sexist ad, and demand that the ad makers immediately take it down,” Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Deputy Executive Director Jennifer Crider said in a statement Tuesday night. “This ad does not reflect the values of California’s hardworking women and men. Craig Huey’s silence should send a chilling message to our mothers, sisters, and daughters that this kind of outrageous and sexist material is tolerated.”
The Los Angeles County Democratic Party Chair Eric C. Bauman called on Huey to “repudiate this ad and its content” and accused perennial candidate G. Rick Marshall of being behind the PAC.
“An online ad, released by Turn Right USA, depicts women as strippers, uses African American actors to depict gangbangers, and features lyrics such as ‘Give us your cash b*tch, so we can shoot up the street!,” Bauman said. “This exploitation of women and African Americans to ridicule Janice Hahn’s campaign and to suggestively portray young African Americans as criminals is an insult to women and African Americans in Los Angeles and across America.”
“This ad is incredibly offensive and sexist to all women,” Hahn campaign manager Dave Jacobson told TPM. “The producer of this ad should be ashamed of himself and Craig Huey should be ashamed to have this kind of thing produced on his behalf.”
Hahn is favored to win the Democratic-leaning seat in the July 12 runoff. Huey’s second-place win in May’s all-party “jungle” primary was a surprise to many who believed two Democrats were most likely to emerge from the race.
Hahn received an endorsement Monday from former President Bill Clinton, who cast Hahn as the answer to “right-wing extremism.””
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“In fact interracial rape is so rare that you cannot draw ANY conclusions about it from the DOJ numbers.”
Do you recognize the paradox in your statement? In fact, the conclusion is that, according to the data, instances of white men raping black women are rare. That was my point. I made the point because it contravenes the worn-out racist meme about “the white man raping the black woman” that is brayed in certain venues whenever the concept of black women entering into relationships with white men comes up.
By the way, I agree with much of what proudchocolategirl said, especially (a) in general, the concept of the random guy jumping from behind a tree to accost and rape a woman who is a random passerby is rare, and (b) in the big picture, the problem isn’t white men, or black men, but men in general — men are messed up sexually and emotionally and perpetrate all manner of vile, pernicious and disgusting acts.
I’ve used the latter point many times to defend the Boy Scouts refusal to allow gay men as troop leaders. I do not believe gay men have a special franchise on pedophilia. However, they are men. Men will hump all manner of inappropriate victims given half a chance. For exactly the same reason, I wouldn’t want a straight man to be a leader of a girl scout troop.
By the way, I’m pretty sure proudchocolategirl recognizes that I threw in my “run to Swirltown” comment just to stir up some sh#t. I say that because I also agree with her on the fundamental point that women should not be taught to look to men as a solution to their life issues.
As to the thesis that at least some significant part of white America tends to fetishize the concept of “The Black Man” raping “The White Woman”, I wholeheartedly agree that this is the case. If there is one element of America’s racist legacy that remains perhaps most prominent and pervasive today, it is white America’s terror of the sexuality of black men.
On the point of your DOJ statistics, you’ve seen me comment in other contexts (i.e. — hate crime data) about the multiple levels of error with respect to the gathering and collating of this type of data at the national level. In addition to mere flaws, there are almost certainly insidious agenda-driven elements infused within this data system.
Thus, your point about the “16.4%” number in the black-on-white rape category. If the DOJ’s data is correct, 16.4% of 117,640 comes to almost 20,000. However, if the sample size was small, as you indicate, one wonders how the DOJ reached its 16.4% conclusion in the first place given that this is an extrapolation from a small data set.
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Race Baiting or Blaming the Victim? White Females Say They Were Raped by Black Athletes
by Dr. Boyce Watkins
On the Today Show, two students from Indiana University and Wake Forest came forth to claim that they were raped by two athletes after a long night of drinking. As a college professor, I can testify to the high number of sexual assaults that occur as a result of excessive alcohol consumption on college campuses, which is one of the reasons why I regularly campaign against it. As they mention on the Today Show, one-in-five women on campus is sexually assaulted, and I consistently tell my girls to be mindful of this issue when they make personal choices. Personally, I never drank in college (or after), for I had no interest in continuing the legacy of alcoholism that runs in my genes. There’s nothing nerdy about being sober.
Consuming alcohol doesn’t give anyone an excuse to commit the act of rape. At the same time, it’s hard for the rest of us to distinguish between consensual sex with a woman who likes to hang out with athletes (i.e. groupies) and inexcusable behavior on the part of men who presume too much. Additionally, the video conjures up disturbing imagery of the white female damsel in distress being attacked by the big, brutish black man. Perhaps the Today Show could have shown more balance by presenting a black female victim or a white perpetrator, instead of presenting the story as if it were a product of the Willie Horton School of Media Management. As the experience of President Obama shows us, millions of white Americans still fear black men, and there is a reason that the OJ trial meant so much to America.
You can watch the video by clicking here.
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This is how low the Republican Party can go to play the race card regarding Black male sexuality. Here’s the 2006 ad regarding Harold Ford:
That is evil on the part of the Republican party and they wonder why we don’t vote for them.
Steph
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Many excellent posts, and this thread has made me think. I try to collect my thoughts here, many of which have been posted before, but:
It should be common knowledge by now that most rapist know their victims. Hence, like pointed out by sever people, intraracial rapes are the most common. The rest is just propaganda to upkeep racial stereotypes and status quo of segregation. About rape in general, in ancient times, raping enemy soldiers was a common practice of humiliating and submitting vanquished males.
The sexuality of blacks, especially BM, probably dates back centuries to the colonial times, when in order to justify conquering foreign nations (for profit), it was handy to label said nations as primitive, sub-human cousins to the crown of creation, the WM. Makes exploitation less of a burden to one’s psyche.
Also, maybe the white conquerors where secretly envious of natives who might not been inhibited by the stranglehold of christian anti-sex morality. This was quite evident in the case of ‘Bounty’ at least.
WM in general have seen all females as their property, as well as males of the conquered cultures. Not quite human, men felt they could do whatever they wanted, and that attitude still remains among some men. WM were the dominant males, who owned not also the bodies and sexuality of all women, but men of other races as well. Might makes right.
About the fascination of BM sexuality: it is quite common in S&M circles that dominant males are turned on by being submissive. So, maybe WM, who are envious of the sexual reputation of BM, are sexually turned on by becoming sexually submissive to BM who are of a lower social status, and get turned on by BM controlling their sexual property, WW? Maybe BW are just so far distanced in sexual hierarchy, that WM don’t really care what happens to them? And that some BM acknowledge all this, and relish in the opportunity? It is quite understandable that men want to be complimented by their sexual prowess, but WM being the one highest in social hierarchy is the only one who feels that they can ‘afford’ to be submissive? I think some BM are doing them a disservice playing the part of sex machines, not realizing that they are just a cog in the machine, submitting to a narrow role. All this stereotyping, stunting ethnic minorities as mere representatives of their sexuality works in the favor of the ones in power, ie WM. And they want to keep it that way. Those in power never want equality, because it would mean sharing power. Of course sexuality is a mere side note, it is really a question of economic power, and who controls economy, also controls sexuality.
On a lighter note: why the hell in popular imagination even extraterrestrial males are attracted to human (white) females? They probably don’t even have the required sexual organs to submit them to ‘faith worse than death’? I suppose they have some sort of Galactic Kama Sutra in their possession, lol!
All that being said, I prefer BW over WW. 😉
Incoherent babble, but I hope some of you find at least some of this interesting.
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@Hannu,
Also, maybe the white conquerors where secretly envious of natives who might not been inhibited by the stranglehold of christian anti-sex morality. This was quite evident in the case of ‘Bounty’ at least.
What say you about the perception of Scandinavians being ‘saucy’? This is how the Brits view people from here and Nordic countries generally. I wonder why some nations ‘appear’ to be less inhibited than others and why they are perceived to be more ‘open’ so to speak?
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@Demerera
Only some of us… 😉
I’ve always thought it mainly meant Scandinavian women, not so much local men. And especially Swedish women (Swedish Bikini Team http://www.swedishbikiniteam.com/), and I think Swedes are all full of themselves, lol! Having been a near-significant European power during the 30-year war has left them with a (Bud) light version of a power hangover of the British Empire, lol! But still here as well the ideal man is ‘tall, dark and handsome’. Not as much demand for blond men as there is for blond women. And the blondes take full advantage of it, even the most average ones think they are the bees knees. And foreign male tourists who drool after long blonde fair just inflates their egos.
Scandinavian countries are probably more egalitarian and people are more judged by their individual skills and abilities, rather than their social background. And since the highest possible education is available to people of even the most modest of means enables individuals to realistically pursue their place in society, be it high or low. At least that is the nordic ideal that is stressed through out Scandinavia. How well it manifests itself, I let other people to judge. That’s what we like to believe ourselves.
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Listen folks, these men who type this tripe around the web, are weirdos who are lusting after black men plain and simple. Either that, or they want to keep them away from white women. The white men who subscribe to this are bizarre. They don’t care about the actual rape victims. If they did, they wouldn’t racialize these acts.
@Hannu:
I beg to differ! Four arms are better than one! Just ask my hubby Tars!
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In the case of Polynesian societies, their sexual ‘hospitality’ might have had something to do with the fact (?) that they didn’t have STDs before Europeans. I suppose sexual morals stem from the need to control birth as well as sex diseases. I don’t know, just my guess.
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I wonder if female tharks had two g-spots as well? What purpose would extra arms have? Who wants to cut off heads anyway? Hmm, maybe they should have extra heads as well?
Green power!
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I wonder why Burroughs inhabited Mars with so many different colors… Good idea, though. He did work as an army scout at some point and greatly admired indians and wrote a couple good adventures featuring an apache protagonist…hmm, that actually turned out to be a kidnapped white kid, so that he could romance this white woman…
Oh well…
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@Hannu
This seems to stem from ‘foreign’ films that were broadcast in the 50’s where maybe more flesh was shown in these films than British films of the time. The ‘Raincoat Brigade’ of the time would probably be able to confirm this though of course, they would have to do so anonymously, such would be the shame of it all 🙂
In terms of the UK’s perception of Scandinavians and the French too tbh, being more ‘sexualised’, is, to my thinking due to the fact that in the UK, pornography and the promotion of porn has always ‘on the surface’ been more restricted than other Western European countries. The suggestion being that if you really wanted to see something off of the ‘top shelf’ that you would go and watch a ‘foreign’ film with subtitles where there were ‘no holds barred’!!!!!
This brings to mind the film Betty Blue – The amount of people who were maintaing their interest in this was for its ‘art’ whilst leaving the movie theatres with a stonking hard on!! The same with Madonna’s S*X book as I recall.
Whilst this perception of Western Europeans may not be as widespread as the myth of BP, its quite telling that this hasnt been used as a weapon against them. If we look back even further to Roman times to the orgies and sexual debauchery that took place – the knowledge of which is prominent and legendary to this day, this hasnt damaged the perception of Italian people in the present either.
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@ Stephanie Brown:
That ad was one of the main reasons Harold Ford Jr lost the race. The part at the end where the blonde says, ‘Harold, call me,” was especially damning.
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I’m not claiming to know statistics on the matter, but are people aware of the white-on-black rapes that occurred routinely in the Jim Crow south? I wasn’t until I saw this woman interviewed a while back on CNN.
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There was the concept of Swedish Erotica. Where it stems from, I have no idea. THe more obscure, the more titillating and assumed to be more liberated somehow. No idea.
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Re Nom de Plume’s link
@Bob – are you still lurking in cyberspace? I wonder what your thoughts are on that footage? Still gonna deny that WM on BW rape ever happened? Tell that to the victims, of which it seems there were many but I hope you can still look your daughters in the eye…
My overall point here is that rape crimes have been committed for centuries against all ‘races’. In terms of the black experience of this, I would say that this was never probably documented due to the fact that most would stay silent on the subject having been aware that these matters were never pursued as they would be for a WW. As for the ones that did speak out, they were often cast as the criminal having to relive the trauma again but this time, also having to defend their innocence where despite being the victim, the fact that it was a BW making the allegations, it becomes an open and shut case. The said female was generally deemed responsible or guilty in some way, cos lets not forget, WM didnt find BW attractive did they so surely she would have done something to entice them!
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@Demerera
Bob reminds of the ‘Bob’ in Twin Peaks, lol!
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@Hannu
Bob reminds of the ‘Bob’ in Twin Peaks, lol!
I remember the furore when Twin Peaks was about to air but never watched – dont know why…from memory I think I would have liked it. More than anything I remember the theme tune, not sure why that is either lol
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I remember me and my friends gathering around tv when it aired. Spooky, wonderful moments. David Lynch is a genious.
Lots of gorgeous women. None of them black, a disappointment in hindsight. Would’ve added an extra tension, rrrrrrrrrrr. 😉
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Demerera wrote:
“@Bob – are you still lurking in cyberspace? I wonder what your thoughts are on that footage? Still gonna deny that WM on BW rape ever happened?”
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Denial, Delusion, Deceit and Derail are the FOUR greatest “rivers” in that MYTHICAL land called WHITENESS, The ways of whiteness says so – but most whites in America looking through their racial frame can’t see or admit this truth, even if it was literally written plainly on their face.
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@proudchocolategirl:
“yes, i knew black women got raped by white men durning jim, it still happens in prisons today.
“no one cares about black women being raped though by any man…of any color so…what can I say?”
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As far as prison rape goes, I remember the North Carolina Joann Little rape case from back in the 70s. A corrections officer who was up to no good made a trip to her cell. She defended herself by stabbing him with an ice pick.
You are so right about people not seeming to care when bw are sexually assaulted. It gives you an idea of how people view bw in terms of status. I included the Jim Crow vid because people tend to focus on slavery rape perhaps not knowing about the ones that occurred in recent history.
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Tyrone:
“As a race of men, we have a serious problem in this country and abroad as well. Blackmen are committing acts of violence against blackwomen and whitewomen as well.There are a million excuses as to why violent blackmen think and act the way they do.”
Do you have any proof of this?
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@Matari
but most whites in America looking through their racial frame can’t see or admit this truth, even if it was literally written plainly on their face.
Bob and people of his ilk are a prime example of this and the ‘4 D’s’ you so aptly used to describe this stance. In Bobs situation it is further compounded by his IR relationship and the fact that he has mixed race children. The ugly truth is too hard to take at times it seem
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Bulanik,
Well said. Also, the notion that wm treat women better than black men gets under my skin alot. We know the track record of wm when it comes to the treatment of women in this country and around the world. Not good.
La Reyna(Stephanie Baldwin)
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To all those statisticians looking for or quoting on WM on BW rape in centuries past….
We all agree that taking another ‘human’ being by force and thereby having non consensual sex is rape, which is a crime, right?
In terms of quoting statistics from yesteryear there is absolutely NO WAY that reliable statistics would have been recorded, let alone documented and the simple reason is this – BP were not deemed to have feelings, let alone be a part of the ‘human’ race so WM were able to dispense with the rules relating to law and morality – they just didnt matter because the people involved didnt count!
The propensity of WP of a byegone era was to label BP monkeys and apes – the most primitive of people. The preconception being that they cant know what they want and what they dont want as they are not smart enough. It was up to WM to ‘show’ them!!
Therefore, when a WM decided to ‘get his end away’ and choose an unsuspecting BW as his prey, no ‘crime’ was being committed. The WM was sewing his oats or relieving himself and ‘defiling’ a BW would not constitute ‘rape’ because rape only occurs between human beings…see the logic here?
Besides, who wants to acknowledge the dispicable things WM would do with something that to their mind resembles the most base and animalistic form of being…now do you see why the statistics you seek from the past are absent?
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@Bulanik
But does any rapist consider their prey to be fully human in the act of raping them? The feelings of their prey are irrelevant and utterly inconsequential.
I understand what you are saying here and whilst there is much credence to what you state in terms of the fact that the rapist does not consider the victim in terms of their ‘feelings’, I would still say that it is essential that the perception for the rapist is that this is a real live person.
We have already discussed the fact that this is an act which is often caught up with feelings of a personal lack of empowerment on behalf of the perp. In this case, I would argue that it is extremely important to view their victim at least as a human, otherwise, they will not begin to regain that element of power and control that they feel is missing.
Keeping me on my toes here Bulanik 🙂
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@Bulanik
As his wife, she could not refuse his unwanted sexual attentions either, could she? It was truly ” to have and to hold.”
I agree with you in terms of the ‘blind spot’ in terms of emotion and feeling and the perception of the woman being a ‘lesser being’ but a ‘human being’ nevertheless otherwise, how would the rapist get the sense of the victory, the feeling of empowerment?
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Having re-read my comment above, I want to tread carefully here, I dont prophess to know what motivates an individual to commit such a heinous crime but I guess, as previously suggested, that for some, feelings of disempowerment and emasculation may come in to it. However, my gut says that there has to be some element of ‘humanity’ at play here also. I’m not sure how this plays out between two people in a relationship but, in terms of the other kinds of non consensual type of defilement, I cant help but think that on some level, the criminal recognises that the victim is ‘human’ on even the most basic of levels.
As his wife, she could not refuse his unwanted sexual attentions either, could she?
I would say that she probably could and would, whether in the most overt or subtle of ways, hence the justification for the WM slave owner to go and defile the BF slaves. I am mindful of the fact that for many, the act of sex was merely to procreate and not for pleasure….
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@ Nom de Plume:
“I’m not claiming to know statistics on the matter, but are people aware of the white-on-black rapes that occurred routinely in the Jim Crow south? I wasn’t until I saw this woman interviewed a while back on CNN.”
I made the very same mention upthread. It appears that few people are aware of the rapes during Jim Crow times; they wish to believe the whitewashed, sanitized ‘history’ tripe that has been commonplace in American schools for decades. The Klan’s “night riders” did more than burn crosses and homes, and bomb churches…
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@ Bulanik & Demerera:
Excellent points – very well-stated.
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The Rape of Black Women by White Men: Systemic Racism Again
By Joe .
The New York Times did an interesting story on Michelle Obama’s mixed-racial ancestry (h./t. Jessica), one that is also revealing of the unwillingness of most whites to fully face and thoroughly assess the rape and sexual coercion of black women by white men–likely hundreds of thousands of times, over 350 or so years of our 400+ year history. It may, perhaps, be a weak start toward that assessment. (There is, to my knowledge, no major social science book on this subject.)
Stephanie Baldwin
The story begins with some genealogical research by the Times and genealogist, Megan Smolenyak:
In 1850, the elderly master of a South Carolina estate took pen in hand and painstakingly divided up his possessions. Among the spinning wheels, scythes, tablecloths and cattle that he bequeathed to his far-flung heirs was a 6-year-old slave girl valued soon afterward at $475. In his will, she is described simply as the “negro girl Melvinia.” After his death, she was torn away from the people and places she knew and shipped to Georgia. While she was still a teenager, a white man would father her first-born son under circumstances lost in the passage of time….Melvinia Shields, the enslaved and illiterate young girl, and the unknown white man who impregnated her are the great-great-great-grandparents of Michelle Obama, the first lady…
During our very long slavery history, well more than half our total history, young people were sold away from their parents, and were listed and treated just like cattle, as here. Notice too the timid language here” father” and “impregnated,” for the rape and sexual coercion that confronted a great many black women during slavery.
The Times continues a bit later with one of two passing references to this coercion:
While President Obama’s biracial background has drawn considerable attention, his wife’s pedigree, which includes American Indian strands, highlights the complicated history of racial intermingling, sometimes born of violence or coercion, that lingers in the bloodlines of many African-Americans.
Well, again we get the very tame “intermingling,” followed by the awkward “sometimes born of violence,” since “usually born of violence or coercion” would be more accurate. In the slavery era most black women were owned and controlled by white men. The word “pedigree” here seems more than a little inappropriate since it is more often used of animals like dogs (h./t. Jessica).
The Times then adds this:
When her owner, David Patterson, died in 1852, Melvinia soon found herself on a 200-acre farm with new masters, Mr. Patterson’s daughter and son-in law, Christianne and Henry Shields. It was a strange and unfamiliar world. … In Georgia, she was one of only three slaves on property that is now part of a neat subdivision in Rex, near Atlanta. …. It is difficult to say who might have impregnated Melvinia, who gave birth to Dolphus around 1859, when she was perhaps as young as 15. At the time, Henry Shields was in his late 40s and had four sons ages 19 to 24, but other men may have spent time on the farm.
There is no discussion of the literally totalitarian system in which black women were usually at the mercy of whites, especially white men, for their material survival. The could be beaten into subservience, including into coerced sexual relationships at any age. This was true during slavery, and often true under the near-slavery of Jim Crow segregation that lasted nearly to 1970.
One son of hers, Dolphus Shields, was listed on census forms as “mulatto” (a derogatory term in origin and use) became a carpenter and church-founding deacon in the city of Birmingham, Alabama.
As for his ancestry, Dolphus Shields didn’t talk about it. “We got to the place where we didn’t want anybody to know we knew slaves; people didn’t want to talk about that,” said Mrs. Heath, who said she assumed he had white relatives because his skin color and hair texture “told you he had to be near white.” …. But as his descendants moved forward, they lost touch with the past.
One of these was his distant granddaughter, Michelle Obama.
The Times asked some leading scholars to comment on this story, and among the acute comments were these:
Henry L. Gates: “Some of this inter-racial sexuality was voluntary, we now know, but far more was coerced, a reflection or a result of a profound imbalance of power. Because of a confluence of factors — the illegality of miscegenation, the prevalence of sexual abuse and rape as the source of these relationships, infidelity, guilt, shame, and disgrace — both black people and white people had a certain interest in keeping these relationships in the dark, as it were.
Annette Gordon-Reed, a visiting Harvard law professor : “That we’ve just started speaking openly about the complexity of black ancestry doesn’t surprise. … There’s also a lot of white Southern anxiety in denials of these tangled blood lines. Acknowledging them requires admitting what went on in the South. . . . Some of those planters really were living like polygamous patriarchs of old with wives and concubines and bunches of kids. That’s the truth of early American history.
Once fully instituted, the two-centuries-plus years of slavery arrangements became much more than a machine for generating wealth. They constituted a well-developed system for the social and sexual control of men and women. During slavery, and later under legal segregation, many African and African American women were sexually coerced and raped by white men, including white sailors, slavemasters, overseers, and employers. Such sexual violence symbolized white male power to everyone in local communities. Under the North American system the children resulting from coerced sexual relations were automatically classified as black, even though they had European ancestry. Indeed, it is estimated today that at least three-quarters of “black” Americans have at least one “white” ancestor. No other U.S. racial group’s physical makeup has been so substantially determined by the sexual coercion and depredations of white men.
Numerous surviving narratives from enslaved women have accounts of such sexual exploitation by white men. For example, in 1850 a prosperous Missouri farmer, Robert Newsom, bought Celia, then a fourteen-year-old, and soon thereafter attacked her. Over the next five years, Newsom sexually attacked her many times, fathering children by her. In summer 1855, when Newsom came to Celia’s cabin to attack her again, she hit him with a stick, and he died. In a travesty of justice, Celia was convicted in a Missouri court of the “crime” and hung in December 1855. Black women typically had no redress for such brutal crimes against them.
One of the most oppressive aspects of U.S. racism lies in this coercive sexual reality, which weaves itself through various manifestations of systemic racism to the present. White men often coerced and raped African American women with impunity during the country’s first three centuries. We clearly much more research and deep discussion of these issues.
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@proudchocolategirl:
“you should read catherine fisher collins on the imprisonment of african-american women, there is a whole section on sexual abuse of black women in prison from guards.”
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I will definitely check it out. Thanks.
@sepultura13:
I overlooked you earlier comment. I knew stuff like that went on back then, but had no idea it was so rampant.
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I beg to differ with those who claim that the master-slave relationship were non-consensual and coercive. Haven’t you read those Mandingo books? Also who wouldn’t drool over a man like this? :
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTpQSosAWa092X-afkRdS08E-fiqDgyFQ1zlwAEEyapzqVrGZoCrw
Yes, the slave women were tearing their clothes off to get with clowns like this! Seriously, anyone who would argue that rapes and coercions were not the order of the day back then needs to have their heads examined. Stories about white men living with their black mistresses in a loving relationship are just that, stories. Being a slave there was no choice involved due to the power differential between owner and slave. A lot of black people have oral traditions within their families of a distant white male ancestor, many are ashamed of this. No they were not romantic tales. An ancestress of mine was a white man’s by-blow. Her white ‘father’ had her taught how to read and write(illegal to teach a slave to read and write at that time) so she could act as a governess to her presumably half-siblings and white relatives. Her mother had seven children and was married to another slave. All but one were for her husband. The one for her husband was sold and the family didn’t contact his descendants for another 100 years!
This ancestress’s brother purchased her and her two youngest children. Her two sons escaped to Canada. Again, after fighting in the Civil War, they also lost contact after seeking out their family and not finding them. It took them over one hundred years to find them in Canada and re-establish contact. A descendant of this white slave-owner threatened to commit suicide when a black descendant approached them and apprised them of the fact that their ancestor had children for slave women. More often than not this was, is, an ‘open secret’ among these white families down yonder(South) Nope, these ‘relationships were not romantic, but coercive(for whatever reason, better housing food, plain rape etc,) What I find particularly baffling is when people try to romanticize some of these relationships. There is not ifs buts or never you mind about them.
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With the extensive history of BW/Black girls being raped/molested/brutalized by WM slavemasters/other WM in America (WITH NO FEAR OF PUNISHMENT), it’s no wonder that, to this day, ANTI-BW HATE is such an acceptable mindset in American culture.
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@stephaniegirl
There is, to my knowledge, no major social science book on this subject.
I think the comments of the scholars aptly addresses why there is no documented evidence on this subject. My guess is that many WP reading it would rather use this broadsheet as ‘fish n chip’ paper than digest the contents…
Really interesting article and at last, some acknowledgement of what happened in these times. Thanks for posting it.
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@Bulanik
Demerera, what I feel may be hard to accept is how common the ‘rape’ mindset is.
What do you mean here Bulanik? Are you saying that you think this is just beneath the surface in a lot of men – can you elaborate a bit more here?
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“In a survey of male college students:
35% anonymously admitted that, under certain circumstances, they would commit rape if they believed they could get away with it.”
http://www.dps.siu.edu/cp_sexual_assault.htm
Chilling. It may even be more since not all of them will have admitted it.
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On the subject of rape, I think women who falsely claim they’ve been raped and get found out should get the same amount of prison time the man they falsely accused would have gotten had he been found guilty. They shouldn’t get the derisory sentences that are commonly handed out for this, they destroy innocent men’s lives and also make it harder for the real victims of rape to be believed and get justice.
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@ Bulanik
No way is it an over reported crime, I didn’t mean to suggest that women make up false allegations often, as you’ve shown it only happens a tiny percentage of the time. But when it does happen they plaster it all over the newspapers sensationalise it and I think that helps contribute to women being disbelieved and so i think the women who do this should do the time they would have let the innocent man do, as a deterrent. At the moment a lot of the reported sentences are just a slap on the wrist.
When I was older, I overheard discussions occasionally among black men in which they said”… the black woman has always had it easier because she could always let the white man rape her to get privileges not open to a black man.”
Sick and sad. They obviously don’t understand the amount of trauma rape victims go through. I’ve heard men say they wouldn’t mind being raped by a woman and that they would actually enjoy a female stranger forcing themselves on them, I think some men may imagine that what they think it would be like for them would also be the same for women and therefore no big deal and a big fuss about nothing.
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Abagond:
Whitemen get what they want. They parade countless numbers of whitewomen all over network & cable tv, internet, fashion mags, and porn mags daring blackmen to take a bite of the apple. Yes, a certain group of whitemen in this country get off on seeing blackmen bed whitewomen, It’s Real! A lot of whitemen have “Penis Envy” as it relates to their lack of blackness. Whitemen pushing whitewomen to bed blackmen has never made sense to me. Reading many of the other post clicked a light on in my head. The black male/white female dynamic is starting to make perfect sense to me. Whitemen say they fear blackmen raping their women, and at the same time, pushing whitewomen onto the same group of black males they claim to fear so much. This explains their obsession with the urban black male, who comprise much of the jail population, sports, and hip-hop. Experiencing black manhood thru the white female…Voyeurism! Not trying to offend whitemen, just stating the facts.
Tyrone
Black Eros Movement
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The elephant in the room that most everyone is ignoring here is that the horrific WM-BW rape accounts being given here are largely a thing of the past. Slavery was outlawed in this country in December of 1865. There was another century or so of Jim Crow. The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964. And the big question is—when was the last time you heard about a white man raping a Black woman? And how long ago did that take place? In response someone will scour the Internet and find an article about a Black woman raped by a white man sometime in the last half century somewhere out there on the Great American Plain or in a foreign country, if necessary, but that doesn’t really diminish that white on Black rape is almost nonexistent. This argument comes up whenever a Black woman accepts an invitation to have coffee with a white man after work. And it only happens when the woman is attractive, no one screams slave rape over who Whoopi Goldberg is attached to.
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If black women are so innocent and chaste, then why when I go on a website like Seeking Arrangement are there so many black women looking for sugar daddies?
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@Lara
If black women are so innocent and chaste, then why when I go on a website like Seeking Arrangement are there so many black women looking for sugar daddies?
So, bearing in mind the subject matter here, are you saying that that Black Women only have themselves to blame if they are raped and defiled? And this is simply because, according to you, the website that you and presumably millions of others frequent to look for men online, a handful of women have been open and upfront about what they want in terms of material things? Clearly you are not just a voyeur when you log on to this website but I wonder how honest you have been….
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“If black women are so innocent and chaste, then why when I go on a website like Seeking Arrangement are there so many black women looking for sugar daddies?”
I’m going to call your bluff here. Sure, there are Black women looking for sugar daddies. And they sign up on a website for it. It doesn’t mean that all Black women are gold-diggers, just the ones on Seeking Arrangement. That same logic is used by Black militants and and white liberals to halt discussion of crime in the Black community—“What about Columbine/Jasper, Texas/VaTech/ i.e. 10 incidents that occured over the last quarter century?” as if the actions of a few angry loners over a long period of time somehow negates ever bringing up how the seven Black-on-Black shootings in the in one section of town previous weekend.”
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@Jay from Philly
In response someone will scour the Internet and find an article about a Black woman raped by a white man sometime in the last half century somewhere out there on the Great American Plain or in a foreign country, if necessary, but that doesn’t really diminish that white on Black rape is almost nonexistent.
Why is it SO important to you to disprove that WM on BW rape can and does happen? Never mind the numbers/statistics here – I think it is clear that often this crime does not get reported or the way in which the reports are collated differ from region to region or maybe country to country in that there seems to be no standardised way to define what is deemed assault/attempted/actual rape.
This argument comes up whenever a Black woman accepts an invitation to have coffee with a white man after work. And it only happens when the woman is attractive no one screams slave rape over who Whoopi Goldberg is attached to
You pull out the ‘Whoopi’ card – I fail to see how what she does in her consensual sex life compares with the crime of rape. You got to admit, that point is irrelevant.
What is interesting though is the point that you make about Black Women and WM ‘hooking’ up and the interpretation of this therein. I wonder here whether you allude to some factual reporting on this matter which you are trying hard here to pass off as something innocent that got out of hand? Why even bring this example into the mix? What 2 consenting adults do is neither here nor there – we are talking about the crime of rape here.
BTW, White Woman that are socially deemed unattractive probably have been raped too. Dont forget, looks are subjective and moreover of the type of person that commits this crime, no two are the same. Just because from your perspective you would not rape/rape BW it does not mean that other WM are the same as you either historically or in the present day.
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When your out of wedlock birthrate is over 70% and there is a slew of pornographic movies on the internet starring your women, it seems a little silly to say you dislike being sexually exploited.
This idea of black women cowering in fear of white men is absurd. I’ve never noticed black women to be particularly submissive to men. The most scared I ever saw a black woman was when she discovered a snake on her front porch. Stop trying to act like prissy white women, it isn’t you.
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When your out of wedlock birthrate is over 70% and there is a slew of pornographic movies on the internet starring your women, it seems a little silly to say you dislike being sexually exploited.
I’m not sure who you are talking about here – this does not apply to my people, and certainly not me either having been in my relationship for nearly 20 years.
Also, I dont look at porn – you seem very knowledgeable about this, perhaps you would care to recommend some for the more innocent and chaste of women? Come to think of it, I didnt think there was this kind of porn…so this must mean Lara that you are less ‘chaste’ and ‘innocent’ than the BW that you are trying to put down.
I think you need to focus on your own shortcomings after all, these women are not trawling websites for available men like you seem to be….
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If black women are so innocent and chaste, then why when I go on a website like Seeking Arrangement are there so many black women looking for sugar daddies?
Do you have the website address? My last ‘sugar daddy’ died of heart failure at the age ninety. Of course it didn’t help that he died before signing his will. I need a ‘man’ like that quick! I guess we are both in the same boat as you go to sites advertising for ‘sugar daddies’?
When your out of wedlock birthrate is over 70% and there is a slew of pornographic movies on the internet starring your women, it seems a little silly to say you dislike being sexually exploited.
A girls got to eat! You are a joker ‘Lara’, hilarious, and I think, purposely so! No one is that dense.
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“You pull out the ‘Whoopi’ card – I fail to see how what she does in her consensual sex life compares with the crime of rape. You got to admit, that point is irrelevant.”
Because whenever a BW decides to go out with a white man somehow it becomes “slave rape”. Unless this happened pre-1865, it’s not possible.
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Jay,
Why would you even bother with a black woman and her bad attitude? I don’t get the appeal.
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White male-black female rape has happened and does happen today. Just because you don’t see it, read about it, or hear about it, doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen or doesn’t happen. We live in a society that essentially protects the white man from any deplorable image or accusation.
As far as Lara is concerned I’m not even going to start. However, I will say this if one has to use websites and statistics as proof of the black woman’s supposed hypersexuality while trying to sound intelligent, one acknowledges one’s own racism and ignorance.
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“this is the classic jezebel stereotype….same ole same ole been there…said that”
It came from somewhere, maybe because it’s true.
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So were you successful in finding the sugar daddy you were after Lara, or did you strike out? 🙂
What type of arrangement were you after Lara, were you seeking a rich man for marriage or did you just want to exchange s*xual favours for a rich man’s money?
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Lara,
I’ve checked out the website you mentioned, and most of those women were white. So, within the confines of your “logic”, tell me why are so many white women looking for sugar daddies according to the site?
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There are a lot of black women on there also. If that’s how they want to make a living I don’t really care. However, I don’t want to hear anything about how white society exploits black women and portrays them as overly sexual. They are more than happy to continue to do that on their own.
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@Lara
Jay,
Why would you even bother with a black woman and her bad attitude? I don’t get the appeal.
I beg to differ, you are the knowledgeable one here with your talk of BW flouting their sexuality in porn. Brothawolf looked at the site and stated that the majority of women on there were white, yet you STILL try to maintain that this somehow ‘pales’ in comparison compared to the black women. Are you worried that the BW are competition and would diminish your potential for attracting punters?
Incidentally, having just done a google search for this website the first search that comes up is #1 for Sugar Daddy Dating. Tut tut Lara, methinks you are a goldigger in a poor disguise.
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Because whenever a BW decides to go out with a white man somehow it becomes “slave rape”. Unless this happened pre-1865, it’s not possible.
Maybe this is in your locality/state. I think in the ‘wider’ world, people are aware that in the case of this kind of coupling, it is down to individual choice. I’m sure Robert de Niro does not get tagged with this label despite his seeming preference for BW.
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@Lara
“There are a lot of black women on there also. If that’s how they want to make a living I don’t really care. However, I don’t want to hear anything about how white society exploits black women and portrays them as overly sexual. They are more than happy to continue to do that on their own.”
That doesn’t answer my question. And why can’t we point out that white society exploits black women and portrays them as overly sexual? Is it because it’s TRUE? So, once again, I asked why are so many white women within the website looking for sugar daddies?
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I asked why are so many white women within the website looking for sugar daddies?
You’d be better served asking her why she is going to this ‘Golddigger’ site to start!
@Lara:
Any luck finding a wealthy older man with a heart condition yet? if you did and he has any older brothers give them my number….(000) 000-0000!
How about you Lara? What stereotype do you fit? You put me in mind at some of those curmudgeons at the Bingo Hall.
However, I don’t want to hear anything about how white society exploits black women and portrays them as overly sexual.
Lara stick to your tomfoolery, stop using escort dating sites to illustrate your points.
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Herneith,
I should’ve caught that from the start. I’m glad you and Robert did.
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agree with proudchoc girl and danilla, while these statistics are made up, they were made up primarily to hide white crimes, as all around the world white crimes are far more prevalent, blame shifting is a favorite of the wicked, that,s why I like Whitewatch . info BTW Abagond that link needs to be replaced with the “.info” one.
my youtube channel: xxphantommasterxx
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Now see? I don’t understand these statistics. I just checked the most recent data (2010) on the FBI crime statistics web site (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43), and in almost every category, the majority of arrests for violent crime (including rape) were of white perpetrators. In fact, the majority of all arrests for all crimes were of white people, with the exception of two categories: robbery and gambling. Furthermore, what never seems to be mentioned is that violent crime has actually decreased over the last 10 years or so. So where are these statistics coming from, and how do the numbers of crimes committed differ from “arrest” statistics and/or conviction rates? And which of these numbers are actually being quoted? Where did white folks get the idea that these hoarding masses of black folks are marauding through every township raping, murdering and pillaging everyone and thing? Inquiring minds want to know…
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I am so sick and tired of white women screaming about being raped. You need to tell your white men to stop promoting pronography. All men are affected by what they see. Just watch the interview that was done with Ted Bundy before he was exucuted. White women are not the only ones who are raped. Black women get raped to. You just don’t hear about it on the news. The media is controlled by white males. They will only show you what they want you to see. White males still feel that black women are not capable of being raped because we are stereotyped as being sexually promiscous. All black women are not prostitutes contrary to what you have been brainwashed to believe.
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Hmm, where is Nicole?
Great post, I’m sick and tired of hearing this drivel. *Bookmarks*
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@proudchocolategirl and Bulanik
I didnt get the sense that Onitaset felt there was much of a difference between the ‘union’ of BW/WM whether consensual or not.
Unless I read it wrong, there seemed to be a lot of disdain here which seemed to be particularly backed up by Nana agreeing with his comments where previously (unless their are 2 people with the same name or I have the wrong blogger in which case I apologise) Nana too has implied that he/she does not agree with race mixing on a different blog.
In itself, this is fine – everyone after all is entitled to their opininon/preferences. What concerns me about the comment is that it seems to condescend, unwittingly, to the opinion of some WP about BW in that they are too foolish to understand and contexualise things that have happened in the past, thus enabling them to make rational choices in the here and now.
Neither does Onitaset talk about the pairing of BM/WW so I guess that must be OK then?
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@Bulanik
I only rape after office hours, after all it’s just a hobby, not a job. But I do need a release, even though my job as supervising torturer in the Department of Animal Cruelty is highly rewarding.
The stupidity of some of the comments here…
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@Bulanik
Well, if you’re in the mood of getting raped, come over! I’m sure you’re totally oblivious to the difference between an equal relationship an abusive one, so why not have a go at me?
Does she go, eh? Do you, eh?
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Have a lovely and warm Christmas, Bulanik.
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“…So what does that say when society says “you’re too ugly to be raped?” not only does it dehumanize black women, but it transforms the act of rape itself into something positive as if rape is a compliment to a woman…when rape is a violent act that is more rooted in dehumanizing, degrading and hurting a person than paying them a compliment…there’s nothing positive about it….so that really pisses me off I can’t stand it…”
@Proudchocolategirl
I also like to add, as Abagond wrote in another post, the myth that black women are promiscuous (part of the “Jezebel stereotype), always ready for a lay. That makes the crime of rape against black women into a meaningless act because the mindset says that “She’s asking for it.” So, the rapist won’t think it’s a crime because the black woman wanted to be rape.
Plus, white men have been secretly attracted to black women (as possibly evidenced when Rep. Sensenbrenner made a comment about Michelle Obama having a big butt which indicates that he could’ve been checking her out), and some still are but are afraid to admit it. In the past white men raped black women because he wanted her sexually, and he wanted to get some no matter what even if she said no. Since he saw black women as “less than human” raping her was no big deal because she didn’t matter.
As a side note even though you hardly hear about white-on-black rapes today as opposed to the opposite, I still believe it happens, but is grossly underreported. I don’t think it happens in large numbers as it did in the past because interracial rape today is rare, but I think it happens even though news outlets ignore it for cases of intraracial and interracial rapes regarding black-on-white. But overall, the damage done in history is still here.
It’s no surprise that this mindset towards black women by white AND black men and the historical trauma felt by black women still exist today.
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@Bulanik
As usual excellent points – in particular, this in response to Onitaset:
However, sometimes people forget BW are thinking, feeling individuals. They sometimes underestimate the fact that BW possess free will, and have the ability to use it.
Unfortunately it’s not the first time on this blog-site that BW’s intelligence, consciousness and choices have been underestimated or ignored.
Dont get me wrong, I have seen some appalling examples of BW/WM pairings (and vice versa) – no dignity, pride or self respect on the part of BOTH parties towards each other or the wider world but, having said that, those individuals were doomed from the start unless, they met up with someone who was able to uplift them somewhat.
I just think we should we be careful who we accuse of rape. I think we should also be careful who we expect rape from!
Yes, so do I. Experience has informed me well that some men are just not on this planet in terms of how they interpret things and their expectations therein. On the flip side, it is shocking and upsetting to have ‘trusted’ a male acquaintance/friend only to discover that they have a totally different agenda to you. Maybe some can be F*** buddies and manage to maintain that friendship but I have found that even whilst in a relationship, if a man has designs on a female, he expects that to be realised!
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My comments were taken out of context. But seeing how I was invited by someone unreasonably angry at me, I will remark that ‘rape’ relates to the ‘hatred of women’ (and men) and this hatred is linked to European philosophies. The umbrella term for European philosophies is “Occidentalism.”
For my part, I write on topics to do with the three main philosophies, “Occidentalism,” “Orientalism” and “Originalism.” The last of which is the ways of African people from times immemorial.
“Rape” is a thing of European culture. That Africans rape relates to our being inundated with European culture. The cure to African rape is recovering our African culture: Originalism. The concept of returning to the beginning is “Sankofa.”
I do not care to debate rapes in Africa. These are influenced by European culture. Europeans hate women. Europeans went in Africa, saw the respect given women, and destroyed it. If you care to read an account of pre-colonial Africa’s view on women, see this post on my blog: http://africanbloodsiblings.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/of-ibn-battuta-the-14th-century-berber-traveler-in-africa/
Besides that, I can list African women of high esteem until the cows come home.
More, it’s worth mentioning that African men are raped often. Indeed, Africans of ‘import,’ like politicians and musicians, partake in homosexual acts with Europeans as a matter of policy. I recall reading a recent piece on it; but woe, I find the discussion worthless. We ‘talk’ too much to no end.
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@Bulanik
Unfortunately it is apparent even in the most advanced and equal of human societies, like the nordic ones (ahem, ahem), that rapists are too often understood, and that their behavior and actions are normal and accepted to any heterosexual male who is being tempted by their uncontrolled desires. That a woman is to be blamed for expressing her gender through her garments.
That is a shame, and something we all need to address and to be vocally against. It is NOT the fault of the woman if a man cannot withhold his urges.
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I am not surprised that a European would claim that the “most advanced and equal of human societies” are European societies, namely Nordic ones. It’s ironic, seeing how even the brutal Ancient Romans considered the lot savages, while praising Africans.
I am not surprised seeing how the Danes had a twenty-year ‘secret’ organization bent on ridding Denmark of ‘foreigners.’ It was so secret that businessmen, politicians and cops were a part of the scheme: http://www.todayszaman.com/news-253855-businessmen-cops-among-members-of-danish-racist-group.html
More 41 of the ‘ethnic minorities’ in a street poll in Finland reported being a target of racist behavior. The reporting news site, summed Finland as “a scary place.”: http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/htimes/finnish-papers/17100-finlands-a-scary-place.html
More, earlier this year, a fascist, Anders Behring Breivik killed 77 people.
But because these are Europeans, I am not surprised that these are considered the best example on earth, and my, how their attitudes can instruct African people. For instance (these are Hannu’s words), they understand rapist, and in their societies a rapist’s behavior is normal; more men have urges to rape in this society that they need to control!
All that said, I am a bit surprised that though many are vocal against me, no one is vocal against what passed for commentary. Why are the Nords being praised? Why are rapists being excused as ‘normal?’ And why should we allow someone to consider ‘raping’ a matter of not controlling one’s urges?
I admit to not esteeming White people, but the admission of urges to rape seems more hateful than what I would write.
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A Black woman is safer sleeping in her car in a white neighborhood than she is sleepin in her own apartment in a Black neighborhood.
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That may be true, raping a woman in her car is rather troublesome and may attract unwanted attention, but as a gentleman, I wonder how safe she would be sleeping in her own bed in a white ‘hood.
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Um…a gentleman, a TRUE gentleman considers rape wrong. Period. And your “faux concern” is a lot of posturing by a man who is the least of such women’s concern.
Worry about the women in black neighborhoods being beaten and raped by black men.
Of course that would require actual work, and not just a lot of sitting and theorizing.
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Of course rape is wrong, I was just pointing out with a bit of flair, and self mocking, that in a reasonably busy street, a woman sleeping in her car could indeed be safer than in her own bedroom, certainly if we count rape-of-spouse and incestious rapists. With other words, Jay’s comparison, even if true, is not informing…
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@Jay from Philly
Man, you really hate black people, don’t ya?
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“Until the late 1970s, most states did not consider marital rape a crime.”
That’s enough said. Were I a woman and were ‘rape’ my largest fear, I would prefer to be a Black woman amongst 100 Black men, than a White woman even near a White child.
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Bulanik,
I’m sorry I didn’t check out your question sooner, but I will try to answer it as best as I can.
I know that the majority of people who read his work, talked to him, or knew him personally would want to keep Cleaver’s legacy positive. After all, he was one of the founding members of the Black Panther Party, a talented author, a revolutionary, and activist. Cleaver was one of the most important figures in American history, especially during the 60’s and 70’s.
The problem is when it comes to leaders in history, particularly male leaders, we tend to leave out the not-so-flattering parts. As far as Eldridge Cleaver goes relating to this subject matter (because I don’t want to derail the topic), I heard about his admittance to raping black women to practice raping white women for insurrectionary purposes. (He revealed this prior to the creation of the Black Panthers) I thought about that and I had to ask myself, since when does one need practice raping someone?
Even if what Cleaver said was for a cause for liberation, the ends he was seeking for doesn’t justify the means. Raping black women for “practice” reasons is still a terrifying act, and it’s deplorable that he used his black sistas. It sends off a disturbing clue as to how he views women. It shouldn’t be viewed as noble because rape traumatizes victims.
Even if Cleaver was working towards his goal, it was still wrong how he went about doing it. What kind of a black revolutionary truly wants his people to be free if he looks down upon certain members of his people due to gender and sexual orientation (I also heard he had a disdain for James Baldwin).
I hope this answers your question.
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Jay you are absolutely right, iam a black woman and i definitely feel much more safer in an all white neighborhood than an all black neighborhood. Most young black men simply cant be trusted and that’s the truth.
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There are White neighborhoods that would frighten you like nothing you have ever experienced.
Just think–Gun sales spiked after Obama’s election.
Sure, certain neighborhoods in the cities seem quiet compared against the apartment-complexes; but none of these “hoods” remotely compare against the actively bigoted Whites whom openly attack us on sight.
It’s also worth noting that the White ‘liberal’ doesn’t intimidate us simply because we can not connect the dots as to who is kicking us out of our homes, who is charging us extra for food, who is blocking our children from being hired, who is making our spouses get fired, who doesn’t want us to associate with one another on a race-conscious basis, who is sending us to prison, who is mis-educating us, who is sponsoring the negative music on the radio, who is beating us on the streets, and who watches even their own kin starve to death.
No Black person is responsible for your high phone bill, your higher rent and your highly unhealthy diet. But somehow, you feel ‘unsafe’ around Black people. One group is killing you slowly, but the other group is your nemesis. This is called social-conditioning and, honestly, a dearth of critical analysis. Something you were purposely not taught.
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@Janet
So, most white men can be trusted; is that what you’re saying?
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@ brothawolf et al.
The commenter Jay from Philly is a troll. He, and I suspect some of the other commenters after him, are members of a small subculture known as “Black Women Empowerment”. or BWE. Now, I have no problem with the empowerment of black women, especially in America, where they have it hard, but BWE as used here is quite Orwellian.
1. Their solution to the problems facing Black people, is to “divest”. ie leave the Black community, which they see as pathological and inherently unsustainable.
2. These women plan to accomplish this through interracial marriage. I am dead serious. And this is where the (obviously white) Jay from Philly comes in. Now, I have absolutely no problem with IR relationships, except when it is predicated on
3. the demonisation of Black men and the Black community. The major pathology affecting BWE is their internalised racism. For every compliment about Black women and White men , there is almost always a backhanded slap against black men, whether it be rates of IR marriage, educational achievement, rates of incarceration or (in this case) falsified crime statistics.
The BWE subculture has internalised all of the negative stereotypes about Black men, especially the Black Brute, and seek to inculcate others into this subculture. The sad fact is that they are merely the female equivalent of Black men such as tnameat on White Goddess – putting other races of the opposite gender on a pedestal, while demonising your own.
You may want to read this – or not.
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@janet
Jay you are absolutely right, iam a black woman and i definitely feel much more safer in an all white neighborhood than an all black neighborhood. Most young black men simply cant be trusted and that’s the truth.
What makes you feel ‘safer’ being in an all white neighborhood Janet and why is it that you feel that BM cant be ‘trusted’ exactly?
From a female perspective I could understand if you felt threatened by say a large group of men if you were out alone.
Thinking about the Stephen Lawrence case, it is fair to say that even men out alone/with a mate, should be concerned too. In this instance these were white youths who set upon an innocent black youth who, with his friend was trying to get home before his curfew. BTW, this happened in a particular area of London that was at the time deemed predominantly white.
Maybe you should take a stroll out with Jay – he seems to know whats what and where is al’white’ to go whilst also being knowledgeable about ‘black ghetto’s’ in his locality. Jay also seems to have indepth knowledge about the resident crimelords in his ‘hood’ too so i’m sure you’ll be in good hands here!!!!!
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@Demerera
“What makes you feel ‘safer’ being in an all white neighborhood Janet and why is it that you feel that BM cant be ‘trusted’ exactly?”
She probably watches the news.
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Which explains why the media can’t be entirely trusted.
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The ‘janet’ person is an obvious troll as well, parroting the same tired shit that all of the other trolls say.
I have a question for ‘Satanforce’, though: You rail against this so-called ‘BWE movement’, but completely ignore the ‘BME’ that has been going on for decades. The things you claim that the ‘BWE’ is encouraging have been going on against BW for quite some time and nobody talks about that double-standard. Please don’t think I’m defending the ‘BWE movement’, either – empowerment doesn’t come from having a mind-set of “if I can’t beat ’em, I might as well join ’em!” 🙄
*SMDH*
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@ sepultura13
I am all for the empowerment of Black men, especially, the type that is espoused by websites such as White Goddess, Black Men Vent and Sgt. Willie Pete! Those guys are great! I love how they call out Blck women on their BS. Black women should stop dating thugs and et with Nice Guys and Good Black Men…..like me!
But you know what forget that, I don’t want any Black women. They’re all a bunch of single mothers and hoes!Why do you keep making babies with these loser and thugs? That’s why you’re all unmarried and with sick with herpes. I’m done talking with you. I’m gonna put up a Wall of Silence, because I hate myself cant stand Black women! I’m gonna go get me a White woman!!
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ah, strikeout tag didn’t work on “hate myself”
You know, everything wrong in the Black community is black women’s fault – and I’m not gonna talk about anything that may affect black male-female relationships like
1. Parental rejection from single mothers
2. Parental alienation by single mothers (your gonna be worthless just like your daddy!)
3. Black men internalising stereotypes about Black women especially due to unresolved issues with their mothers (above)
4. Black men taking out their nger via demonisation of Black woman and sexualised aggression
I’m not gonna talk about that. Nope. I’m just gonna go marry a white woman and live happily ever after. Not gonna deal with my problems.
And now a word from Thugtician
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK18biNmOjo&list=UUi8Ux6GeYmSoaSQkawZ0Eow&index=6&feature=plcp
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What’s Abagond
I see the little BWE movement and No Wedding No Womb minions are here. Considering the whole No Wedding No Womb was 1 big epic fail.
Women control who they lay down with. If about 70 to 80 percent of black women have child out of wedlock.
Explain to me why the 20 percent are doing the right thing?
But they can’t explain it. They need to bash black men and make excuses.
Jay from Philly is a joke. He is the same person that left his so called “bad neighborhood” because he saw hooker and John transactions with black women and “rainbeau men”.
LOL I just let him keep talking because he is hilarious to me.
He said black women are far more safer sleeping in HER CAR in a white neighborhood than an apartment in a black neighborhood.
LOL Why she can’t have an apartment in a white neighborhood. She is relegated to the side streets of white neighborhoods.
LOL WTF
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Black women are safer in a shelter in a white neighborhood than a 3 bedroom house in a black enclave of any big city. (The statements are sheer absurdity)
They are just about as safe as the white community where numerous white women that get kidnapped all the time. (They seem to all be from white neighborhoods).
I haven’t seen “Precious” type black women get kidnapped in years. Perhaps they are not reporting it. (Plausible argument)
Seems real safe to me.
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Newsflash there middle black neighborhoods. Philly Guy act like every black person lives in the hood. LOL
Get out of the prison you clown and go traveling.
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@Lara
@Demerera
“What makes you feel ‘safer’ being in an all white neighborhood Janet and why is it that you feel that BM cant be ‘trusted’ exactly?
Lara: She probably watches the news.
Well I have heard some really unpleasant stories about people who ‘hook up’ with people on dating websites but it doesnt stop certain people trawling them does it….:-)
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tnameat was something interesting to discover. A real Uncle Ruckus.
It’s questionable what good there is in presenting tnameat to Abagond’s audience.
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The news is not entirely bad. It appears that opening up a newspaper will reveal a constant barrage of attacks on the First Lady of the United States. What’s more, these attacks are made by White men: Whether she looks like the Grinch, whether her backside is too “Black,” whether her demeanor is like that of Maria Antoinette, etc.
Though I am not fond of the term “BWE,” certainly empowering Black women by raising White men seems backward when the main destroyer of Black women are openly White men. Just look at who is attacking the First Lady. More–it’s not just men in power; the constituents support this assault and the non-constituents, your daily internet trolls, promote these insults on a daily basis.
More and more, I see that the problem for the Black community is a lack of Philosophy. For instance, truly, we are not supposed to have a conception of man and woman in competition, but in cooperation: erstwhile–most all of us buy into the fabrication that Black women and Black men are opposing one another.
Personally, I love the Black woman as my sister, and view her as a family member. We should analyze the “BWE” and “BME” and see whether this perception follows through.
Hotep!
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@Mr. Laurelton Queens
I have to stop you here. In the first place it’s not always the case. Some women don’t have a choice and are forced into sex. We call it rape.
Second, why is having a child out of wedlock a bad thing?
Third, even if the child has two parents it doesn’t guarantee that child will be well-behaved and have a bright future.
Fourth, statistics don’t explain the whole story much less are considered reliable.
Fifth, Why is the blame mostly on black women? What about the boys that go out, impregnate women and disappear. At least most of these single moms are there for their kids. Where are the males?
I’m not trying to cut you down or nothing, but I don’t think it’s right to put the blame on black women. And there’s nothing wrong with black women empowerment especially since they live in a world that puts them down, and the truth is some black men join in on putting them down. For real.
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@Satanforce
There are so many things wrong with this response, but I will respond by saying that black men who throw black women under the bus as a means of empowerment doesn’t know that to empower himself he must help empower his sistas as well. Uplifting yourself while tearing down your female counterparts is a sign of sickness, not intelligence.
Satanforce, let’s just say that you are indeed a black man. You reject black women. Yet, you came from a black woman. She created you. So, by the process of retrospection and association, that may very well indicate that you reject yourself as well. You can’t be empowered if you demonize the people who gave birth to you and the people you are a member of – your birthright.
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One more thing, Satan, you must not be too nice of a guy if you condemn black women, hate yourself, and call yourself “Satan”.
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@ brothawolf
The whole idea of sarcasm is completely lost on you, isn’t it?
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No, but then again, you made it obvious that you weren’t serious. I missed it, and misjudged where you were coming from. I apologize, and I take back my responses.
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brothawolf said:
“@Mr. Laurelton Queens
Women control who they lay down with. If about 70 to 80 percent of black women have child out of wedlock…Explain to me why the 20 percent are doing the right thing?”
brothawolf said:
“I have to stop you here. In the first place it’s not always the case. Some women don’t have a choice and are forced into sex. We call it rape.”
vindicator says:
How many of them were raped? I’d say it was very little!
brothawolf said:
“Second, why is having a child out of wedlock a bad thing?”
vindicator says:
http://www.cis.org/illegitimate_nation.html
I have nothing against illegitimate children per se (I am illegitimate!)
brothawolf said:
Third, even if the child has two parents it doesn’t guarantee that child will be well-behaved and have a bright future.”
vindicator says:
That’s true. However, the link that I showed you clearly states the problems that come with illegitimacy. By and large the best way to raise a child or children is with a loving, married male and female couple!
brothawolf said:
“Fourth, statistics don’t explain the whole story much less are considered reliable.”
vindicator says:
Agreed! However, if statistical data is collected and analyzed properly. It does help quantify the situation or subject.
brothawolf said:
“Fifth, Why is the blame mostly on black women? What about the boys that go out, impregnate women and disappear. At least most of these single moms are there for their kids. Where are the males?”
vindicator says:
Women have always held the sexual power. Remember the saying: Men display, Women choose!
The fact many of BAW seem to pick thugs and deadbeats over the “good” BAM yet they’re suprised and complain that the thugs and deadbeats are not there for their children.
Are the men that do this responsible for this? Of course they are!
However this could’ve all been avoided if BAW (in fact women in the anglo speaking western world in general) actually make better choices in picking up men.
What many feminists (including the BWE crowd) and their sympathisers (Manginas) don’t understand is that when a women knowingly and consentally sleeps with a man (regardless of his social status or morals) and falls pregnant by that man, SHE IS NOT A VICTIM!
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@Brothawolf, Satan actually means something like “Opposer” in its original Hebrew form, if you know that, and you assume that Satanforce knows it too, the name might very well just mean something like “Counterforce”,
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I don’t buy the whole “its because black women are dating thugs wahhh!!!” argument. In lieu of any empirical or statistical data, I believe that such an argument is bogus one, that is not supported by even an inkling of anecdotal evidence. Where are these doctors of medicine and law that are dating and having children with Jaykwon and Davonte? Are they hiding in the shadows somewhere?
@ Onitaset
Anyone who could make a statement such as the one above is obviously not educated or intelligent, and could not possibly have gone to college, or have any tertiary education.
You do not understand the modern synthetic theory of evolution, or how traits are passed on via genes. If you did, you would understand that the Black man has evolved separately from black women. The Black man, forced to work hard not just in the cane and cotton fields, but in mines, metalworks and carpentry, became strong, intelligent, wise, noble. selfless.
The black woman, on the other hand, realised that she could gain advantages and power for herself by mating and interbreeding with her white slave master. Thus, an devilish alliance was forged, and as result, the black woman began to inherit the following traits – deviousness, vanity, promiscuity, lesbianism and looseness. This is why the black woman, as opposed to the Black man, so resembles a feral monkey, gyrating itself in the various strip clubs and music videos.
And you would call such a beast your “sister”, much less mate with it? Shame on you! I suggest you read “Evolutionary Dynamics” by Nowak, as “The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom, 1750-1925” to educate yourself. Do not be fooled by Jewish lies!
Just check the link on Abagond’s site about internalised racism.
Just as an (extreme) example is the link below, in which on of the founders of BWE, advises Black women to have their daughters learn Parkour to so as to escape the “roving bands of Black rapists” that apparently inhabit Black residential areas!
http://sojournerspassport.com/since-you-keep-your-black-daughters-living-as-unprotected-prey-in-black-neighborhoods-you-should-at-least-train-them-in-parkour-and-free-running/
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Hotep. Please do not overdo the sarcasm. For one thing, it’s unappealing to be insulted for the sake of a petty humour.
More, you quote too many of our worse elements. It’s almost like an advertisement with you.
Finally, I was lectured yesterday for being accepting of Africans: “COINTELPRO is in effect.” Some “Blacks” are not “Blacks.” Look what you are doing. Demote what seems destructive and promote what seems creative.
Hotep!
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OK, fine, I’ll stop clowning.
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I don’t buy the whole “its because black women are dating thugs wahhh!!!” argument.
Nor do I. From this broad’s perspective, if anything, I find such men to be comical, sad, entertaining and in need of help. As potential amours or husbands? Ah no. Most of the females I know steer clear of these types of men. I think this is another mode of brainwashing being fed to blacks. Gangtresses and Thugstresses are who these men are dating. In other words, like is attracted to like in most instances. Those that make these claims serve as examples of internalized racism.
@SatanForce:
OK, fine, I’ll stop clowning.
You should use sarcasm with some of these white racist clowns who post here. Otherwise, carry on!
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Brother,
You can clown if you want to. I just don’t remember when clowning helped us. Feel free to do what you want to; but remember what your goals are, noble African Brother.
Sister,
The “Gangstresses” and “Thugstresses” individually have more humanity and a wider range of emotions in their pinkies than the collective of European people. These are as much your sisters as your mother’s daughters. Please take them under your shelter; like our ancestors counseled their communities for our whole betterment.
Hotep,
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@Onitaset:
You are right however, what I am trying to convey here is the myths perpetrated by the self-loathing people promulgating these myths. They refer to these folk in such terms. I see nothing wrong with a trades-person hooking up with a professional, or across class lines. However, I would not hook up with a criminal or gang member still active in that lifestyle regardless of how much help I wished to extend them. They would have had to been out of that lifestyle to the point it was a distant memory.
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Sister,
When the time comes, find the best partner for your children, then raise those who will pour libations to you, as you do your ancestors.
Those propagandizing myth have an agenda. We do not need to borrow their language. You are so very smart. When you speak as the enemy does, those who seek your counsel will be more susceptible to the lies.
Let the self-loathing spit in the wind while we self-loving wear our faces clean.
Hotep!
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Let me respond to me allegedly putting down the BWE. (Considering they deserve it because they provoked the fight with black men).
The reason I say black women bear the burden of the out of wedlock birth rate is because they can choose better men to be with. Yes mistakes happen. Rape that leads to a child does not happen often in America.
Regretting having a child by a man is not “rape”. I think you got the 2 confused here. Rape is a crime.
Secondly, the BWE do not take personal responsibility for their mistakes. Everything is blamed on black men. Right down, to a hang nail the BWE get on their toes. They even black men for not getting a “white guy”.
Do black men bear responsibility for the out of wedlock rate? Well, yea to some degree. Not every black man can put up with the bs some black women bring to the relationship. Black men are “human”. However, black men never get a “pass on their mistakes”. Nobody has “sympathy for us”. They don’t say “well the black man was indoctrinated that is why you spanked that redbone with the big ass”.
However, with BWE is “oh she depressed”, she ain’t know any better. Slick Tyrone enticed her out of her panties.
I am not going to stay with a black woman that is stupid, lazy, overweight, and suffer entitlement issues.
I don’t care what these so called intellectual black people say about it.
They always praise the black simp that takes on a woman with 3 kids that are not his.
Praise the black man raising his child with 1 black woman or the black males married to black women.
Its not so much the out of wedlock birth rate that is the problem. The problem for black women is their “ability” to keep a long term relationship.
That is the issue.
Nice blog Abagond. I am going to have put you on my blog roll. The conservations are great here. I read this blog and blackmenvent.com
The conservation here is very compelling here.
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Africans are individually incomplete; partnership is the art of completion.
Condemning the single African woman mistakes the paradigm for our Philosophy. She nor her Brother, the African man, are perfect without one another.
That said. Only she can complete the African man and share in their attained perfection.
She, the African woman, is the only worthwhile attainment for the African man. This stated, critiquing her for her imperfections reflects mis-education.
Think. Marriage purposes raising a family. How can you have an African family without the African woman?
Search through each. Counsel those behind, become counseled by those ahead, and find your mate. Never curse your Siblings. Love them for their self-love. Those children, born in wed-lock, born to divorced parents, born to marriage couples, born however, are as much your children. There is no need to curse their mothers.
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Just because YOU say it’s very little doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s true. Many rapes in this country alone go unreported. It’s hard to say what the number really is.
Okay.
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The idea behind my sarcastic posts was not so much that the mocking of any posters, but to use irony to show the logical conclusion of the BME thought system.
The above is the logical conclusion that must be reached by any Black man who blames Black women for the problems with black people – that the sexes evolved separately, and are thus two different species, and as further shown by brothawolf
All forms of irony (esp. Socratic) and sarcasm is useful, especially when you need to show some of these people just how truly retarded their belief system is.
African-Americans not using humour to help themselves? I know you watch The Boondocks and the Daily Show. The entire format of television makes it so that only humour can be used to effectively broadcast didactic and moralitic messages.(1)
(1)Amusing Ourselves to Death – Neil Postman (1985)
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Laurelton Queens, Satanforce, and any other brotha who’s into blaming black women, let me say this responding to Queens.
Listen, putting down black women whether you think they deserve it or not, is not a revolutionary maneuver. It’s the exact opposite. In effect it’s just repeating the words of the white racist mindset that also puts down black women. When brothas put down sistas by using the same language used by racists, what does that say about the mentality of these brothas?
Rape that leads to pregnancy may happen more often than we are lead to believe. Just because you or I never hear about it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen often. Also, no one was trying to say that having a child out of regret is rape. No one.
I agree to a certain extent that some black women don’t take responsibility for their mistakes, but men are no better, including black men. Plus, one must consider, as fellow blogger J.Writer would say, the aggravating and mitigating factors behind this. It’s not because they were born this way.
Yes. Black men are human too. I’m a black man myself. Black men do bear the responsibility for the OOW birthrate, but to then say that it’s because they can’t put up with the black woman’s B.S. is a cop out. Of course, it’s hard out there for a black man, but what makes you believe that it’s not as hard or more hard for black women? Why is it not understandable to see what they go through. It’s hard enough to live in a society that condemns them up and down, but to hear it from black men, the men that’s supposed to love, protect, and support them must be crushing to hear. Putting most or all of the problems going on in the black community on black women will do absolutely nothing to fix the situation. It’s like these conservative politicians blaming black people for all things wrong with society.
Brothas, you should care what (some) intellectual black people are saying about this especially if they’ve done research and have been on this earth longer than us. They are telling us that blaming each other is just another form of divide and conquer. Within this society, black people were taught to hate themselves and each other because they were black. To say that black women are (and I quote) “stupid, lazy, overweight, and suffer entitlement issues” are repeating the lines spoken by racist white people. So when you say things similar to this in regards to black women, then it just illustrates you have internalized what whites have said about us for centuries. Period.
There are brothas who are raising kids that are not his, and they deserve praise. He’s doing something that a man is supposed to do for children, loving them and caring for them. What’s wrong with that? They deserve as much praise as black men who do care for their children and are married to black women.
The REAL problem here is, and forgive me for being blunt, you have been hurt in someway by black women, and you take your frustrations out on most or all black women. Brothas, please believe me when I tell you this, but this will not help in anyway. Like I said, you must realize that this disdain you have for black women is the kind of hatred this society wants you to have. Don’t give into it. I know some black women are a pain, but you need to know that we are all in the same boat. We can’t condemn black women anymore than they condemn us. To do so will play right into the hands of a society that hates us and wants us to hate ourselves.
Now you may disagree with what I’ve typed, but all I’m asking is to sit, think, and read.
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Agreed.
What are you talking about? I love these hoes! Oh , right. Gotta stop clowning.
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@ brothawolf
Well said.
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@brothawolf:
Do you have a significant other by your side? Because if you do, then your lady is one lucky woman. We need more supportive, loving, honorable men like you.
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Possibly, but, honestly, you do not present yourself as very good at it.
“Sarcasm” has a satirical tone. You do not give the impression of ‘disbelief;’ but ‘strong belief.’ So it just looks ugly.
For instance, you write:
Ridiculous as it may be; it’s not unbelievable that one could think that.
If you want to satire them, you should make the satire more explicit especially since we can not hear you. In essence, it’s just not funny to write about the ancestors in such a fashion and, really, your technique is off.
You are repeating their insults to an extreme, but never directly insulting them. Your means of insult, essentially, is like “Gangster Rap” is an insult to mainstream culture; but even less direct. More or less, it seems that you are calling the ‘racists’ stupid, forgetting that some are actually more stupid than you can portray.
Except that you never explicitly attribute the opinions to anyone but yourself.
Maybe if you wrote, “I recently read some Brother who thought that Black women and men evolved separately because of a White conspiracy–you sound like that Brother” then that’s a brilliant debate tactic, but writing “I believe that Black women . . .” isn’t.
First off, “Daily Show?” Second off, “Neil Postman?” Third off, “Boondocks helped us?” Fourth off, “Only humour can . . . effectively broadcast didactic and moralistic messages.”
I’d call you on “Socratic” but that’s meh.
That fourth issue should just sound stupid. Is this more of that sarcasm? You’re not doing it right, man. I mean–hasn’t “music” broadcasted . . ..
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@ Onitaset
We’re just going to have to agree to disagree.
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Strangely enough, that’s the one thing that Black folk agree upon: disagreeing.
I want to know how in the world can you disagree on something so agreeable?
I’m just messing.
You have a point. It’s your style. I’m simply telling you the reasons why it’s hard to get. Maybe you should consider working on it.
Hotep
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Leigh204
Nah. I’m a lone wolf. Thanks for the compliment, but I admit that I was there where these guys were. I also admit that sometimes women do give me a pain, but I realized that we give them a pain as well.
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@brothawolf
I’m afraid that after re-reading your comments, your arguments add up to attacking a strawman.
You had stated that:
When what had been stated was
Queens had made that statement about a specific person, not the entirety of Black womanhood. Specifically, what he perceives as the prototypical example of a member of the BWE. Harsh , yes, never mind the implication of even getting together with woman who you did not initially see for her stupidity, laziness and entitlement issues (I’ll give obesity a pass). Of course , my understanding is that Queen – and myself have shown an exclusive attraction for Black women also does not square with your belief that we are disdainful towards Black women.
What we do have disdain for, are Uncle Toms of any gender who seek to make Black men out as rabid rapists by misquoting statistics and playing on Black Brute stereotype. They are quite free to make such remarks, they just need to realise that they will be mocked, scorned, chased, clowned and ran off the Internet like the damn dirty scoundrels they are. I don’t like guys like those. They need to go bleach themselves, straighten their hair and stop calling themselves black, most of them is Republicans anyway.
Calling out these pigs and monkeys on their B.S. is certainly not a revolutionary move. And that’s great. A revolution is 360 degrees, such a manoeuvre will simply take back exactly back to where you started. And considering the rates of incarceration, unemployment and powerlessness in the Black community (an in America overall), that seems to be exactly where you are all headed.
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Satanforce,
Even if it was a strawman, the adjectives mentioned in Queens’ response were stereotypical of black women in general. And if you have a certain preference towards a certain kind of black women, that’s all good. I was saying that to focus frustration and disdain towards black women is harmful. If you aren’t the type of guy to do so, I apologize.
Next, you should have a disdain for ANYONE that make BLACK PEOPLE out to be a race of robbers, murderers and rapists. There are Uncle Toms and Incle Tomasinas out there, but they are not the only ones responsible, and it’s not just black men that is being painted in a negative image. Black women are also targeted.
Lastly, where WE are all headed??? What makes you excluded, if that’s your intention? Brotha, you are in the same boat whether you like it or not. This nation is digging its own grave and taking a lot of people with it. I’m just saying.
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Yeah I think he had misquoted me.
I clearly said I wouldn’t be wit a fat, lazy, stupid black woman with entitlement issues. I never stated all black women were this way. Secondly, I made the point that out of wedlock births falls primarily on the black woman. She chooses who will be her “child’s father”.
Statistics shows that 60 percent of black women with “more than 1 kid” got a different father for that kid. Clearly, there is something wrong going on here. If different men are knocking you up. How is that the black man’s fault for your piss poor decisions.
You made an implication that I was hurt by black women. Na I am hurt that I got to play the game they are playing. That is not an indictment of all black women. I am just going off what I see out in the streets.
When a black man is winning on them. They got a problem with him. You didn’t get an opportunity to “trap that black man”. You couldn’t make him “bow his head”. Now he hates every black woman.
The sheer absurdity of that argument. If I kiss their ass, they love me.
Do you think I like seeing black women ‘semi prostituting themselves” because they are broke? (Increasingly because of the economy)
I talk about things everybody “dodges”.
I just write about the harsh realities of black relationships and the black community.
You said this…
@ brothawolf
“Like I said, you must realize that this disdain you have for black women is the kind of hatred this society wants you to have. Don’t give into it. I know some black women are a pain, but you need to know that we are all in the same boat.”
I got disdain for hoodrats, semi prostitutes, self hating black women that using white men to get back at black men.
When a successful black man switches the “game on them”. Now we hate black women and etc. How i hate black women and got a daughter? Its just a weak excuse in a losing argument.
But if you are a quiet “simp”, and take the bs they do to you. They seem to love you.
Its unfortunate that many of these women will do the right thing when the guy is “not black”. Now they want to lose weight, cook, clean, and hold a job.
You was supposed to be doing that when you was with a black man that was holding you down.
Now you want to whine and complain after you created this drama with black men.
Most black men walk away from the beef or rather not address it. I don’t turn the other cheek. My track record speaks for itself.
It would be different to me if a majority of black men “did something to them”. Some of these black women choose the wrong men. Now they want to take it out on educated black men.
I just give them back their medicine. They don’t seem to like it when black men slap them back!
Anyway,
I do respect Abagond and Wolf’s opinions. You already know what I do. In my personal opinion, you need to ask yourself. Why your opinions never get out there? Nobody “encourages” white women to be with black men. You don’t see books for that.
You don’t see black men on the panel defending themselves. The media will just have a bunch of disgruntled black women putting down black men.
If you seen a panel with black man defending themselves. Please show me the clip or segment.
I am going to back away from any of my statements at all.
Good day
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We’re going to have to agree to disagree on that one. Obesity, stupidity, laziness and especially narcissism are by no means traits associated exclusively with Black women.
We are not “the type of guys to do so”. I don’t know what vindicators problem is though.
If you check my initial response again, it was about a white male member of the BWE regarding that particular subcultures stereotyping of African American men as rapists. You can see an example in a link to one of their websites here:
http://sojournerspassport.com/since-you-keep-your-black-daughters-living-as-unprotected-prey-in-black-neighborhoods-you-should-at-least-train-them-in-parkour-and-free-running/
My writing of my disdain for them was also a rhetorical way of getting back on topic, about black rape statistics
I am a Jamaican who lives in Jamaica with strong links to the United States.
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Queens,
(Pt. I)
I clearly said I wouldn’t be wit a fat, lazy, stupid black woman with entitlement issues. I never stated all black women were this way. Secondly, I made the point that out of wedlock births falls primarily on the black woman. She chooses who will be her “child’s father”.
First, what I was saying trying to say, and I guess I should’ve made it more clear, was that even though that’s your preference, which is okay, and that it describes a certain type of black woman, it could still be taken out of context. Like myself, some people would think that you’re describing black women in general. Plus, white people think that black women are the same way. So, no matter how you say it, it will still be offensives to certain people. Second, I don’t think most of the responsibility falls on black women for OOW births. Again, black women, like any other woman, can not make babies alone. Responsibility also falls on the men who impregnated her. Also, what is wrong with OOW births?
Statistics shows that 60 percent of black women with “more than 1 kid” got a different father for that kid. Clearly, there is something wrong going on here. If different men are knocking you up. How is that the black man’s fault for your piss poor decisions.
Statistics are NOT RELIABLE, nor do they tell the whole story. They are misleading and can be fixed to suit the mainstream’s agenda. You mean to tell me what you will allow these “numbers” to tell you that something’s wrong with black women without any further research or questions as to whether that’s true or why that is so?
Plus, you mean to tell me that there was no possibility that some of those black women may have been tricked into having sex or worse than that, raped? If so, how is THAT the fault of the black woman when it could be possible that some where looking for love, but got played? Is that her fault as well?
You made an implication that I was hurt by black women. Na I am hurt that I got to play the game they are playing. That is not an indictment of all black women. I am just going off what I see out in the streets.
Nevertheless, you are hurt though, yes? And even so, what you see on the streets is NOT universal. When I checked out your blog, most (if not all) of them pictured black women in a negative light, AND I also brisked through some and noticed that you’ve written your own personal experiences not to mentioned loads of videos to prove your cases. They are subjective, not objective, and if you are not indicting black women, why is almost all of your posts show black women in a negative light?
It’s one thing to say you don’t indict all black women one way or another, but your blog suggest otherwise. Somehow or another in your posts, it’s the black woman’s fault.
When a black man is winning on them. They got a problem with him. You didn’t get an opportunity to “trap that black man”. You couldn’t make him “bow his head”. Now he hates every black woman.
The sheer absurdity of that argument. If I kiss their ass, they love me.
Do you think I like seeing black women ‘semi prostituting themselves” because they are broke? (Increasingly because of the economy)
I talk about things everybody “dodges”.
I just write about the harsh realities of black relationships and the black community.
It sounds kinda chauvinistic like you want black women to serve to your needs and wants without question, but God forbid black men serving black women.
Judging by your posts, you love black women enough if they prostitute themselves because that gives you a reason to continue your disdain on them. What about the black men as pimps using these black women? Don’t you have a problem with them as well or is it all the fault of the black woman again? Think about it.
Why don’t you talk about BLACK LOVE and BLACK SUCCESSES? Why don’t you talk about how racism contributes to the destruction of the black community? Why don’t you talk about the black women in a positive light? Those are the things that are dodged quite often in this society. Don’t you think?
And if you are talking about the harsh realities of black relationships and the black community, you sure seem to be obsessed with the supposed “screw-ups” of black women. Let’s not forget that you talk from a personal view that’s not the same for all black men or black people. We are no monolith.
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Queens,
(Pt. II)
I got disdain for hoodrats, semi prostitutes, self hating black women that using white men to get back at black men.
I understand, but why is it only black women? What about the white men who are using black women against us? What about the white men who have contributed to destroying black communities? What about the self hating black men that use white women to get back at black women?
When a successful black man switches the “game on them”. Now we hate black women and etc. How i hate black women and got a daughter? Its just a weak excuse in a losing argument.
First off, what is this “game”, and second, I’m sure you love your daughter, but having a daughter doesn’t mean that you don’t hate black women. I’m not saying that you do, but your blog shows you have issues with them. Ask yourself this, if your daughter has children by more than one male, are you going to look at her the same way you look at black women through the words in the blog?
But if you are a quiet “simp”, and take the bs they do to you. They seem to love you.
I’m curious, did that happen to you or someone close to you? Whatever the case, no one who screws you over and over again loves you no matter what race or gender you are.
Its unfortunate that many of these women will do the right thing when the guy is “not black”. Now they want to lose weight, cook, clean, and hold a job.
Even if that’s true, why do you think that is? Again, it sounds more like frustration than truth. Plus, it sounds close to the typical male ideal of women cooking and cleaning for her man.
You was supposed to be doing that when you was with a black man that was holding you down.
Now you want to whine and complain after you created this drama with black men.
Most black men walk away from the beef or rather not address it. I don’t turn the other cheek. My track record speaks for itself.
Man, you are on a blame black women campaign are ya? Why is it always her fault and never the black man’s What makes you think black men don’t create drama themselves?
I’m curious to know about this “track record” you mentioned.
It would be different to me if a majority of black men “did something to them”. Some of these black women choose the wrong men. Now they want to take it out on educated black men.
I just give them back their medicine. They don’t seem to like it when black men slap them back!
And some black men choose the wrong women. It goes both ways. And some of them want to take it out on most or all black women. What good has come from that when we give each other the same medicine but no one gets any better?
Anyway,
I do respect Abagond and Wolf’s opinions. You already know what I do. In my personal opinion, you need to ask yourself. Why your opinions never get out there? Nobody “encourages” white women to be with black men. You don’t see books for that.
You don’t see black men on the panel defending themselves. The media will just have a bunch of disgruntled black women putting down black men.
If you seen a panel with black man defending themselves. Please show me the clip or segment.
I am going to back away from any of my statements at all.
Good day
All I’m asking is that you consider what you’re saying. You’ve mentioned that you’ve been hurt, and I’m sorry that you are, but to take it out on black women will help no one especially you. You missed my basic point that we are ALL IN THE SAME BOAT, and to demonize black women contributes to dividing black people. You may disagree, but in the end that’s what you’re doing. Not to mention that you seem to place more blame on black women than you do on white racism or the black men who’ve sided with them. You can tell me different, but your blog is proving otherwise.
Re-examine yourself not only for your sake but for your daughter’s sake.
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Dear Brothawolf
You said this to me..
“I understand, but why is it only black women? What about the white men who are using black women against us? What about the white men who have contributed to destroying black communities? What about the self hating black men that use white women to get back at black women? ”
What about white men using black women? I don’t get your point! If a white guy is picking you last for dating, how are they using you. You are either too stupid to see they are not interested. Even if that is the case that white man want you. How the hell black men keep getting bashed for their piss poor decisions even when they got a white guy. They say black men scare “white men off” from them. I suggest you do some research. They are too stupid to see they are being used. I have no sympathy for certain black women who bash black men. I am not new to blogging or following this issue. I appreciate the lecture. However, I have been doing this for a long time. Black men and white women got nothing to do with this topic. I explained my position on black men dating white women.
“First off, what is this “game”, and second, I’m sure you love your daughter, but having a daughter doesn’t mean that you don’t hate black women. I’m not saying that you do, but your blog shows you have issues with them. Ask yourself this, if your daughter has children by more than one male, are you going to look at her the same way you look at black women through the words in the blog? ”
What are you saying about my daughter? Let me tell you something. If she did the wrong thing in life. I would reprimand her for it. So far, I have raised her pretty good considering her mother wasn’t on the right track in life.
If my daughter had a child by more than 1 man , I wouldn’t be happy about it. However, I will look at the circumstances and get on the child’s father’s ass. Again, if she chooses to deal with undesirable black men I do not approve of. She will hear about it.
I have dated my share of black women. In no certain terms their fathers made it be known how to treat their daughters. Many of the fathers have explained to their daughters how to deal with a man. My blog does not talk about all black women. I distinguish what is going on in the black community. Most of the black women I have dated “with active fathers” were good women. I got nothing negative to say about them. Nor do I got nothing negative to say about black women that SUPPORT black men.
You are worried about how it “looks to the public”. My daughter never had sex for Mcnuggets. My daughter wasn’t having sex with other young boys because she felt peer pressure. None of those things has happened. Would you rather me ignore what is going in the black community I live in???????
Let me see what else you said about me
“Even if that’s true, why do you think that is? Again, it sounds more like frustration than truth. Plus, it sounds close to the typical male ideal of women cooking and cleaning for her man. ”
What is wrong with being a typical male. I work 50 hours a week, I would like my woman to cook. If not, she can find another guy to be with. I don’t have be an ideal male to you. I am pretty sure you like doing laundry, cooking, and etc. I can do all those things myself. Why would I need her for? Why should I cook and clean if I pay all the damn bills in the house.
You are stuck in that “simp culture”. I have been there and had to reevaluate that whole thing. I would talk about marriage and “what men do not get out of it”. That would be more controversy than its worth. Let’s not go there about “typical male ideal”.
Listen I don’t think you know me very well. It is all good. You will get to know me.
You said this
“Man, you are on a blame black women campaign are ya? Why is it always her fault and never the black man’s What makes you think black men don’t create drama themselves? ”
I don’t know what you are talking about. My response is to them bashing us years ago. We don’t have the media outlets letting us spout reckless lies. The downlow myth, not enough good black men, and etc. These are all lies but you believe them right. Now you dispute statistics about black women with more than 1 kid have different fathers. I guess you ‘choose” what you want to believe right???
I could go on about it. You need to get a backbone or something. I don’t create nothing. I only respond to what they say.
That whole BWE campaign BLAMES BLACK MEN! Where do you see black men on the media saying negative things about black women on “mainstream news programs and articles”.
You need to address that problem before you talk about what I supposedly do. I don’t get mainstream attention or media outlets saying “yeah black women are messed up go date a white guy”. Hey here is my book “Is Marriage for white people”.
You show me a media organization that actively promotes white women with black men?
Name me 1 that does that.
Let me continue on.
I ain’t done yet!
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Sorry for the delay
I am at work.
You said this
“All I’m asking is that you consider what you’re saying. You’ve mentioned that you’ve been hurt, and I’m sorry that you are, but to take it out on black women will help no one especially you. You missed my basic point that we are ALL IN THE SAME BOAT, and to demonize black women contributes to dividing black people. You may disagree, but in the end that’s what you’re doing. Not to mention that you seem to place more blame on black women than you do on white racism or the black men who’ve sided with them. You can tell me different, but your blog is proving otherwise.
Re-examine yourself not only for your sake but for your daughter’s sake.”
I do not take out anything on all black women. I don’t know what you even mean. I suggest for their sake you tell them stop bashing black men. When its all said and done, men protect women in their “own tribe”. White men uphold “white women”. Black men uphold “Black women”. We are not in the same boat here.
You are either a dominant black male or your not. I place blame where it needs to be put. You want me to say that No Wedding No Womb was “our fault”. I ain’t tell you to sleep with Tyrone that “you knew was a player”. After you messed up, you go on crusade for white men that pick you last. You god damn right you are an idiot and to be blamed.
Your own black men double lap you even in “interracial dating”. They are not even winning that. You are being picked last by non black men, your own men is upset at you. Yet, you want me to blame “myself” for my so called anger. I ain’t angry bruh, I am passionate. A big difference here. I am getting the black women I want trust me. I like 1 right now, we get along. Things are good.
Why should I bow my head for their mistakes. They take their piss poor decisions out on good black men. There is no way around that.
Don’t talk about my daughter again. I don’t talk about kids or people kids.
I don’t even know if you got a child. I suggest you worry about your own kid before you talk about mine.
I am very good parent for your information.
Perhaps, your mad because you lay down for everything.
I am not you, I don’t feel like you, I do not think like you period!
Let me continue on.
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I am back again
I don’t even know why you even picked a fight with me.
You said this…
“Statistics are NOT RELIABLE, nor do they tell the whole story. They are misleading and can be fixed to suit the mainstream’s agenda. You mean to tell me what you will allow these “numbers” to tell you that something’s wrong with black women without any further research or questions as to whether that’s true or why that is so? ”
Now they are not reliable. I guess the Sociology Department of this Ivy League school is all wrong right?
But you accused me of hating black women off pure speculation. Yo assume you know what goes on in my head and “other black men like me”.
I read the research and methodology on that. It seems pretty accurate to me. Plus I live in the black community. About half the black women I meet have kids by different men.
I don’t even think research was really necessary if you live in the black community.
Let’s see what else you said….
“Plus, you mean to tell me that there was no possibility that some of those black women may have been tricked into having sex or worse than that, raped? If so, how is THAT the fault of the black woman when it could be possible that some where looking for love, but got played? Is that her fault as well? ”
TRICKED INTO WHAT??????????????
How about they tricked a “negro” into “keep a negro around baby”. Yeah, when they are so desperate for you be in their lives. They start saying ” I missed my period”.
Do you believe black women should take personal responsibility for themselves. They are not children, they are grown women!
Stop it son!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You sound soft bruh. You need to read your paragraph again. You sucking up too much man.
I can’t let you do this to yourself anymore. Black women walking around with a second baby by a rapist???
C’mon son
Regret is not rape! (Perhaps that should be a bumper sticker or something)
Let me go get a drink. This is all too much for me.
What excuses is next for them?
Those pesky black women drugged up my HI C Orange soda when they bought me a “Happy Meal from McDonalds” now I am pregnant.
That is equivalent to what you are saying!
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To Brothawolf
You said this…
“Nevertheless, you are hurt though, yes? And even so, what you see on the streets is NOT universal. When I checked out your blog, most (if not all) of them pictured black women in a negative light, AND I also brisked through some and noticed that you’ve written your own personal experiences not to mentioned loads of videos to prove your cases. They are subjective, not objective, and if you are not indicting black women, why is almost all of your posts show black women in a negative light?
It’s one thing to say you don’t indict all black women one way or another, but your blog suggest otherwise. Somehow or another in your posts, it’s the black woman’s fault. ”
Are the BWE showing positive images of black men??? (QQ around). Where is your beef with that? (insert excuse here for them)
I don’t see your point. That is your perception about my blog. I hear what your saying about my blog. I back everything up with statistics or research. Most of my readers give me articles and I read them. If you want to dispute the “numbers” and say “well its some type of racial conspiracy”. Be my guest, I tend to rely on numbers instead of “personal feelings”.
I read articles from the NY Times, Newsone, The grio, and etc.
Again, your problem with my blog is”your problem”. Everybody is “biased” to some degree on their blogs.
If you are looking for a consensus agreement on “black blogs”. You will not find one. I don’t understand where you are coming from. Perhaps, I should kiss the ass of every black woman blogger that bashes us.
I am not going to back down anytime soon.
You said this…
“It sounds kinda chauvinistic like you want black women to serve to your needs and wants without question, but God forbid black men serving black women.
Judging by your posts, you love black women enough if they prostitute themselves because that gives you a reason to continue your disdain on them. What about the black men as pimps using these black women? Don’t you have a problem with them as well or is it all the fault of the black woman again? Think about it. ”
(Rubbing my chin)
I am kind of lost by this statement. Who would want black women to prostitute themselves? You sound a bit angry and bitter towards me. What about black men pimping black women. Tell those women “don’t let them pimp you”.
I don;t get your point. When has anybody told a black woman “what to do”?
You call me male chauvinistic. Simply for what reason, because I am confidant and I tell you what I am about. All my relationships I did everything. I was the leader. I never had any problems with black women wanting me to be “the leader”.
That also includes “sexually”. I won’t say all black women (you got a problem with that of course). They want a man to be a leader, not soft, and mean what he says.
None of your little slick comments bother me. At the end of the day, more black men feel like me.
You can keep cleaning up their mistakes and making excuses.
I won’t be doing it at all.
Oh yeah, it was the black man’s fault, a black woman prostituted herself for Mcnuggets too?
The guy that told on her “wasn’t black”. He could have gave her money to get something to eat. He could have called social services instead of putting her in jail.
Apparently, society wants to see black women prostituting themselves. I never caused this country to put black women in these dire economic circumstances. The very same “rainbeaus” was supposed to bail them out right? There is a current movement to eat off the white man’s plate. He is supposed to marry them, pay their bills, and etc.
Society is pimping them, more like big corporations are. The salaries paid for black people are slave wages. The average black person can’t raise a family off of the income they make.
Black women went from first for employment to last. You blame the pimp for black women so called prostituting themselves. You need to blame society for not providing jobs that make those women transition to a better life.
You busy focusing on a couple black pimps.
You need to read more. Before you feel like you can challenge me.
It is way different when we talk on here. My blog reflects a small segment of what I believe.
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Excuse the spelling mistakes.
I was writing in a rush.
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@bulanik
Before leroi jones became amiri baraka he was married to a white woman & they have two kids. One of them publised a book (her name is jones, cant recall her first name) about that & growing up black/biracial.
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Bulanik,
Where do I start? Well, I don’t think it’s hard to see how Iceberg Slim’s legacy has influenced a considerable amount of people, including some black men in the entertainment industry like Ice-T and Icecube. To a certain number of brothas then and now, he was a definition of young black manhood. He was a pimp. He was in prison a number of times, and he got out by making money as an author which most of his work talked about his life not dissimilar the way most rappers sing about their lives in the streets.
Some people are unaware that Slim thought his profession as a pimp was a blow to white oppression, but some like the Black Panthers strongly disagreed especially when he (Slim) used his own people.
I think Slim’s legacy is similar to the legacies of contemporary and past gangster rappers. Now that we live in an age where TV and technology is addictive, some young black males see them as role models because, according to the images they see in most rap vids, they get girls, money, bling, cars and big houses. And some will see them as examples of how black men are supposed to me.
Was this the answer your looking for?
I’ll respond to you soon Queen but it will be on my blog because I see where this is going. I need to clear some things up with you and put it to rest. Plus, this is starting to veer way off topic of Abagond’s post.
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[…] Anyway, back on the subject. Me and Mr. Queens have had a back-and-forth ever since he made these statements within his first comment on one of Abagond’s blog posts: […]
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A blog battle . . ..
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The USA is 75% white, so of course there will be “more” white rapists. Don’t you understand stats at all? Blacks make up only 12% of the USA, but commit over 43% of all rapes in the USA. Can you comprehend this?
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@ Bulanik
“Kathleen is beautiful”
Isn’t Kathleen as a woman, marrying him and remaining married to him and posing in pictures with him sitting on his lap after his book came out a condoning of what he did? How could she marry him and stay married to him? When I read his account of what he did I felt sick to my stomach.
I suspect he may have been an actual psychopath. Psychopaths enjoy reliving the sadistic acts they perpetrate against others and they are egocentric to the extreme and love to boast about the evil things they did and got a away with, and revel in the pleasure of getting away with it. That is probably why he wrote his disgusting little book.
They sometimes join legitimate groups with noble aims to use them as a cloak of respectability. He may have used the Black Panther party as a vehicle to meet his psychopathic need for constant excitement and for opportunities to be sadistic, violent and have a group of people to manipulate and play power games with and have power over. He clearly cared nothing about Black people raping Black women for “practice” and then later becoming a right-wing Republican.
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So you lied again. In the DOJ victims report SEPARATES rape versus sexual assault, using these definitions, it’s on their website.
Rape
Forced sexual intercourse including both psychological coercion as well as physical force. Forced sexual intercourse means vaginal, anal or oral penetration by the offender (s). This category also includes incidents where the penetration is from a foreign object such as a bottle. Includes attempted rapes, male as well as female victims, and both heterosexual and homosexual rape. Attempted rape includes verbal threats of rape.
(verbal threats during a crime or physical attack
Sexual assault
A wide range of victimizations, separate from rape or attempted rape. These crimes include attacks or attempted attacks generally involving unwanted sexual contact between victim and offender. Sexual assaults may or may not involve force and include such things as grabbing or fondling. Sexual assault also includes verbal threats.
Also, as far as the sample: 10 or less, that’s a pretty crappy standard if they do that, especially on such a heinous crime as rape, but, not every percentage as that asterisk * next to it. Some some are counted out, and others aren’t.
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[…] got a nice post on how this stat is manipulated, but common sense should tell you that 0-10 Black women raped by […]
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[…] brute stereotypes manifested in popular culture everyday. From the controversial vogue issue to the manipulation of rape statistic to make Black men look like brutes, this caricature continues to be a part of American […]
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Reblogged this on Tower Of Rebel.
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Filthy Niggers. End of Story.
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^^^^ I allowed the above comment through just to give an idea of the kind of people who visit this post.
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^^^Ban imminent^^^
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Opps.
You got to him first Abagond lol. But yea, those are the types.
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[…] Please read more about this false rape statistic at abagond’s […]
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Click to access cvus05.pdf
Criminal Victimization
in the United States, 2005
Statistical Tables
Rape/Sexual assault/a
White only victims 111,490 / White offenders 44.5% Black offenders 33.6%
Black only victims 36,620 / White offenders 0.0%* Black offenders 100.0%
Blacks raped/sexually assaulted/a; 37,460 whites.
Whites raped/sexually assaulted/a; A statistical 0% of black victims based on the 10 or fewer reported cases sampled.
*Estimate is based on about 10 or fewer sample cases.
a/Includes verbal threats of rape and threats of sexual assault.
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According to the FBI table 43 blacks per capita commit 440% more violent crime than whites commit per capita.
Did you know that blacks make up 13% of the population yet commit more murders every year than the remaining 87% combined?
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Yes..Black men are demonized for no reason !! I mean there is no danger at all for white women to walk into a black neighborhood right?
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@Bulanik
A fair amount of White women are also obsessed with the Black ding dong. I know several White women who were date rape victims and guess what? None of them filed a police report. Many White women are too ashamed to report this type of crime. I bet the White bigots who come on here complaining about Black men raping White women are just mad because the Black guys beat them to it.
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There was a time when black women who reported white rape were ignored by the authorities. So, it was common for black women to feel that it was futile to report the crime. Now, more blacks report it, but too many are still leery. White women probably do not report all rape, either, especially spousal rape. That is probably more common for black and white women. Men of all races rape more than is reported. Children (boys and girls) and men are raped every day. Women seldom rape men. Men do most of the raping. Women sometimes take advantage of young boys, but they seldom force them. The “rape” is statutory.
Men have talked of women seducing them forcefully or even overpowering them, especially when they were under the influence. They rarely reported it because the sickos enjoyed it and laughed about it. Many young boys, after maturing, have related how older women introduced them to sex. These men often do not feel that they were violated. Even though they were boys, they felt lucky to have attracted a mature woman. This kind of mentality has caused many men to rape without responsibly weighing the consequences that their advances would not be accepted as they, themselves, accepted the same from older women. Are they excused? Of course, not!
I do not understand the mind functions of some men. No man has a right to rape anyone, regardless of race. “We do not rape your women; we rape our own, so rape yours and not ours!” This is the message I am getting from some commenters. How sick. No one should rape another human being– black, white, or blue!
All reported rape cases do not make it to the “books” if it cannot be proved. It is almost impossible for a poor black woman to prove rape without undeniable evidence, and then, it is often said to be consentual. This is especially true if she does not have money to get a good, effective lawyer who will not sell her out. There has been cases where evidence was present, but not beyond a shadow of a doubt. All kinds of things play in an attempt to get a rape conviction. A TIME TO KILL is a fine example of what black women have had to deal with.
Why should there be a lot of white man/black woman rape anyway? They do not associate as much as white women and black men. Most rape occurs between familiars, according to the experts. I suppose they guessed that because many rapes are not even reported. There are fewer black women than white women. Much has to do with the numerical differences. So, naturally, more whites are raped. It is not a secret that many a white woman has falsely accused a black man. This behavior goes all the way back to slavery. Many black men have been railroaded and imprisoned for rape they did not commit. Some have been imprisoned for consentual sex that was called rape when he and the white woman were caught. Some scorned women who were ditched, physically abused, part of a one-night-stand, did not get her money or felt used, even for a short or long period of time, accused the man of rape to get even.
It may be true that black men commit more rape, but I believe that white men get away with a lot of rape and other crimes under the advantage of well-paid, shrewd lawyers and race entitlements.
Some worship statistics. I do not because there are many weaknesses involved in the gatherings.
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Regarding all this talk about porn, the black male/white women theme, and the musing on why white men would want to perpetuate this theme:
porn is Jewish not white; start with the facts instead of a false conclusion. So, why would Jewish males want to foster BM/WW sexual relations?
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[…] Thanks to Destructure for pointing me to the Afro-centric blog called “Abagond“. In response to one of my replies there, I was directed to the following post: […]
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According to the Department of Justice 32,443 white women were raped by black men in the United States in 2006. Whereas not a single black woman was raped by a white man. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0602.pdf (Table 42)
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@ Alex
Did you even READ the post? Or the report you are quoting?
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@ Abagond regaring the commenter Alex I like Mark Twains quotes about lies and statistics and statistics being like ladies of the night one you lay them out you can do anything with them.
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To paraphrase a quote by Chauncey Devega, statistics are just a dumb person’s way of trying to sound intelligent.
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I like that Chauncey Devega quote and I believe that it’s true. I never believe statistics especially when it applies to marginalized people.
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[…] don't really care about this thread, but I was interested enough to go this far. Reasonable blog about the questions stats with cites I skimmed this. It seems to break down where the information in the OP comes from and how it gets […]
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[…] white nationalist, and racist sites. A thought-out rebuttal to this racist tripe is here: reading while white: black rape statistics | Abagond I mean seriously, GTFO with this random racist […]
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i keep reading the words “probably” “maybe” and “about” id like just solid answers..
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“The numbers are not about “rape” but “rape and sexual assault (a)”. Sexual assault means any kind of unwanted sexual touching, like groping or kissing. And the “(a)” means “Includes verbal threats of rape and threats of sexual assault”. So it is way more than just rape. Rape is probably just a small part of it.”
Does this change something? Does this change fact that “37,460 white females were SEXUALLY ASSAULTED or raped by a black man, while between zero and ten black females were sexually assaulted or raped by a white man”
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Duke Wayne,
Where did you get that number from?
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Demerera, I dont think you read through bobs statement above. I not ounce saw him state in denial that black women were raped by their some slave owners. He only pointed out that he thought at first this was about black and white people trying to live together in harmony. And that are you part of the solution or part of the problem. I noticed In 1 of your other blog titles you mention that white people try to make excuses or direct blame elsewhere, the funny part is that’s exactly what you did above. Rape is rape and is wrong no matter the color of the perpetrator or the victim. Im tired of watching different races and religions hating on each-other. We all bleed the same color. There is good and bad in all races and religious beliefs. Slavery has happened to all races and still exists now. Most women and children of all kinds of races, forced prostitution is a form of slavery and women of all colors throughout time and history have continually been forced into this by men. But you are not going to find me hinting to all men being evil as you hint to white people being evil. Why because just as all white people are not racist or believe themselves better then black people, not all men want to force women to be prostitutes. Its also sad that white people are still solely blamed for black people being slaves when Nigerians, for example, explicitly teach about their own role in the trade – See more at: http://hnn.us/article/41431#sthash.2gBaGtAi.dpuf. And white people have been slaves too. Julius Caesar was said to have enslaved one million White Gauls for the Roman Empire. EITHER WAY SLAVERY IS WRONG, AND NOBODY DESERVES IT. but it did not happen to me personally or you. You have never owned a slave and neither have I. But why are people who did not commit these atrocities expected to apologize for something they had no part of. would it be right if you had to apologize to a white person that got attacked by a black person you dont even know? Peace and love to all of every color, and I hope 1 day I will finally set to see a world where our differences are seen as the beauty it is, and we all embrace and love each other as equal.
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Sabrina Antunes,
1. Pointing out racism does not mean that you hate white people. It means that something happened that affected you in a negative way that is linked, directly or otherwise, to racism And it also means that who or whatever’s responsible must be held accountable.
2. What does slavery have to do with this? I looked at both comments from Bob and Demerera, and neither one of them uttered the word. So, what are you talking about?
3. Taking liberal high road does not erase the reality that there is indeed racism and misogyny, nor does it refute that we live in a white male supremacist nation with plenty of blood on its hands. And it certainly doesn’t mean that you are above racism or sexism. See, you can say how you’re not going to hint that all men and white people are not evil, but the fact is NO ONE EVER SAID THAT. That’s something YOU interpreted. Speaking for myself, I don’t hate white people. I DO hate what so many of them try to make me hate myself and deny ever having any hand in it.
4. Peace and love can not be attained through decided ignorance. Maybe, just maybe, there will be such a world were color doesn’t matter, but as a black man in America, I CAN NOT afford to think that way for obvious reasons. And unless you can understand that, frankly, we have nothing to talk about.
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@ Duke Wayne
The “fact”? As noted in the post, when I looked up the most recent DOJ survey for myself BOTH black-on-white and white-on-black “rape and sexual assault (a)” were “ten or fewer” in their sample survey. Ten or fewer is not considered enough to make a firm estimate. Thus the asterisks.
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