“White is right” is the idea that mainstream White American culture is always right. It determines what is “normal” and acceptable and what is not. It is that by which everything else is judged. It is a narrow, racialized, racist ethnocentrism.
Note: In this post, as in most posts on this blog, “white” means White American.
If you could hear the heart of American culture beating, you would hear this:
white is right
white is right
white is right
white is right
It courses through every vein of the culture. It is the message that every American gets hit with, day after day after day. At school, on television, from the news, from friends, from family.
It is like it is in the air or in the water. It is inescapable. It brainwashes. No matter what your colour. People are taught to be ashamed of their true selves if it does not fall within narrow white norms.
So:
- White English becomes the most right.
- White women become the most beautiful.
- American society becomes the most just, a model for the whole world.
- The white account of history becomes the most true.
Each of these should be laughable, but they are not.
Side effects:
- white as “default” and “universal”
- the melting pot
- conformity among the white middle-class
- internalized racism among people of colour
- the white lens
- imperialism
- weaves
- The white belief that they have no culture
- The white belief that they are Basically Good
- The white belief that they are the good guys of history
- Angelina Jolie’s lips
Black women have had full, beautiful lips since forever, but the mainstream American culture saw them as big and ugly. But on Angelina Jolie, a white Hollywood actress, they became beautiful. Suddenly.
Likewise, tanned skin was considered ugly till the late 1900s when it became prized among the white upper middle-class.
Or: jazz and hip hop were dismissed as ghetto music, even by the black middle-class, till white people started liking it.
Tanned skin did not change. Jazz music did not change. Big lips did not change. Just the White Seal of Approval.
An idea that comes out of a white man’s mouth is taken way more seriously than anything a woman or person of colour says – even when he is just repeating what they said.
Most Americans regard the Bible as the Word of God. But even that is judged by White American culture, not the other way round. While many do determinedly stick to their understanding of the Bible, others simply set their idea of right and wrong according to “what everyone does”. “Everyone” meaning Most White People. Because white is right. Righter than God.
Even clear evils like genocide and slavery, which no one in their right mind would waste any breath defending, are excused and downplayed! Because otherwise it would become apparent that white is not always right, that in fact it can be wrong in extremely terrible ways.
See also:
In reference to your “white seal of approval” aren’t those examples of WP accepting black cultural contributions as “right”? I mean those things aren’t white, so if “white is right” than they would be wrong.
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Great post. I’m also reminded of how black women have worn cornrows for decades, but they only became popular after Bo Derek sported them in the movie ’10’…talk about insulting.
Or, the song ‘Rapture’ by Blondie: it was considered the first rap song to gain popularity on ‘American Top 40’, but really, it was a safe, sanitized, “whitewashed” type of rap song; “Rapper’s Delight” by the SugarHill Gang had already been out for 4 or 5 years, but since it didn’t make the “white music lists” then it went largely undiscovered and listened to.
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Sing it, Abagond!
Haven’t been here for awhile–glad to see you’re still challenging ignorance and putting out info that seems to never get discussed by mass media.
I’m glad you put the weave comment in because black women in America will fight to the death to say that hair relaxers and weave is just a fashion statement and not a form of denial/ acceptance of their natural hair texture
just had this discussion with a few of my weave-queen co-workers about the concept of “good hair”, “bad hair” (some black actor said he wanted kids with good hair) — people can find rationale for just about anything…the word “nappy” was uttered one time too many and I just walked away from the discussion thinking “this s_it is scary and deep-rooted”
we need to stop supporting and upholding concepts of ourselves as black women that originated with white people’s idea of what is pretty and what is ugly
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@jasOnburns:
“In reference to your “white seal of approval” aren’t those examples of WP accepting black cultural contributions as “right”?”
No, because whiteness has never accepted cultural contributions from other races/ethnicities. It steals and “refashions” parts of other people’s cultures without giving an ounce of credit or respect to those who not only created the culture in the first place, but who live and breathe it every day. So, a cultural aspect is never considered “right” in mainstream USian society until whiteness appropriates it, thereby making the aspect completely devoid of context and history.
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@abagond: Good post! I would like to add the christian images in USA/many parts of the world. The Jesus looks more like a sad art student from University of Michigan, than a jewish rabbi who lived 2000 years ago.
Every one knows that if there was an individual whom can be seen as the historical Yeshua, he certainly did not have pale skin, pale blue eyes nor fine thin straight flowing hair. If he ever excisted he was black/dark haired, most likely curly hair too, brown eyed and his skin was not pale but mediterannean olive brown. In short, semitic.
And yet, here they are, all those sad looking whiter than white guys in their shining robes and bedroom eyelashes posing as the Saviour, in thousands of thousands of images. In books, paintings, comics, pictures of all sorts.
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Here is an interesting quote that touches on the idea that ‘white is right’:
[all emphasis mine]
“A discussion of the experience of the beautiful in the context of European culture illuminates this point as well. On a conscious level the attempt is made to separate this experience and raise it “above” its effectively emotional aspect. That presents special problems as even the European philosopher is forced to recognize that the person must react intiially to what she considers to be beautiful with her sense and with her feelings; i.e., that one apprehends beauty initially as sensation. Therefore philosophers in the European tradition found themselves in the position of intellectualizing; that is, making “conscious,” in a technical sense, even the emotional aspect of the perception, apprehension – the experience of “beauty”.
Again, as with the attempt to merge rationalism and religion, the results are very strange. One consequence has been “aesthetics” or the “science” of the aesthetically valid: a rationalistic discussion of the rules by which the experience of the beautiful takes place, of what properly constitues beauty in a “logical” sense. Of course, this discussion purports to have UNIVERSAL significance. European philosophers never claim to describe THIER OWN aesthetic experiences (and in truth one doubts that they could possibly be), but they do claim to describe the proper rules for determining the “beautiful” and to describe the nature of “true” aesthetic experience. They are setting the “standards” for judgement and criticism. But none of these discussions is satisfying to anyone but European philosophers. One questions their motives and the reason the subject occupies the attention and energy it does. The answer is that this speculative/philosophic activity functions in its own way to reinforce and validate the cultural asili [generative seed] and to strengthen the national consciousness; the collective self-image as superior to others, a UNIVERSAL STANDARD FOR HUMANITY.”
Yurugu: An Afrikan-Centered critique of European Cultural Thought and Behavior.
[This book is dense reading but contains so much food for thought. “Aha, I always observed this, thanks for helping me make sense of it”..I said that so many times while reading.]
“White is right” is in actually an aspect of how the culture sees itself and this, of course, influences anyone raised with the understanding that they are a part of it. This is how they can destroy while not seeing destruction but the establishment of “order”. It is really their order. But no TRUE order exists except that which they have defined as such. They see their particular viewpoints as truth and see it as their responsibility to bring that truth to others even if it kills them.
Remember that Euro-enculturated Asian Dr. that claimed black women are ‘scientifically’ ugly? His claim was not that she is ugly from the standpoint of the European aesthetic (something we have known) but that she is ugly according to objective and universal truth. In other words, it is not their mere opinion but a ‘discovered’ fact that ALL do well to accept. One would question the motivation for funding such “academic research” if it didn’t serve a vital role of supporting the cultural self-image of superiority. It comes from a thoroughly megalomanical cultural foundation that tries desperately to inferiorize and control anything that is not “us”. Even seemingly contradictory behavior can be explained with this understanding
Quote:
“Megalomania is a psycho-pathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence. ‘Megalomania is characterized by an inflated sense of self-esteem and overestimation by persons of their powers and beliefs’.”
A quotation by Bertrand Russell gives his interpretation of megalomania: “The megalomaniac differs from the narcissist by the fact that he wishes TO BE POWERFUL rather than charming, and seeks to be feared rather than loved. To this type belong many lunatics and most of the great men of history.”
-Wikipedia [funny that their own definitions of dysfunction are so fitting when applied to their own culture]
This accounts for the contradiction between hatred and the apparent desire to get close to the hated thing: that is, the desire for POWER over it. That’s why Europeans could not resist settling among loathsome and inferior “natives” to exercise dominion over them. That explains why Jolie’s thick lips are taken as a sign of beauty in a woman otherwise considered white. It represents white CONQUEST of what appears to be someone else’s domain and its associated sense of fulfilment. I consider obsessive tanning to also be a manifestation of this. Elvis Presley’s deification as KING when he was only a whiteman competently handling Africanized musical and dance tradition (as preserved and transmitted by African Americans) is yet another. I am not saying that each person consciously understands these attitudes; they simply act in ways sanctioned and encouraged by the longstanding cultural personality.
[Your posts set of ‘light bulbs’. I’m going to stop promising to keep initial responses brief…ha]
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So what PoC need to understand is the white ploy of presenting their particular viewpoints as objective, universal truth and using it to bully others into accepting definitions that go against their interests and nature. If you get caught in this trap it is TREMENDOUSLY and insiduously devastating to your sense of self as well as being totally debilitating.
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Is this what you mean, Sam?
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I was thinking about Blues music and how the “popular” face of that genre is quite frequently that of a white person.
Does the white seal of approval also morph into cultural appropriation?
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Siah’s response adequately answered my question.
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@siah
I think what you describe happens. I also think that many WP genuinely appreciate certain aspects of black culture. If a white person prefers to listen to black music or likes african art or reads books by black authors that person is essentially saying to the world ” this is good, I
like it”
I have known plenty of very racist WP who loved jazz or blues or hip-hop though. and of course there are all the other non art related contributions that blacks don’t get credit for. Like the front porch.
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In case anyone was wondering…
“Other nationalities and cultures contributed to early American porch design as well. The Spanish, and later the French, developed galleries in New Orleans to provide shade and air circulation in that hot, humid climate. The galleries were actually of African origin, having been brought over by slaves to Brazil and the Caribbean. European plantation owners quickly saw the advantages of the African-style houses the slaves had built for themselves.”
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I am a dark skinned female, slender nice body, pretty smile with asian eyes smooth skin. Sometimes I wear my hair straight and sometimes I wear my hair in its natural nappy state. I know that I am beautiful everytime that I look in the mirror!
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Oh man! Abagond, you beat me to this topic. I was gonna write about this lol. But, you’ve written it much better than I ever could.
On the subject though, I’ve seen this kind of conditioning in the classroom. I notice that black kids love to hug white female teachers more often than they do black female teachers. Most of the time they don’t hug black teachers at all. I even see this in after school activities. A few black kids flock toward white female teachers and workers, but none of the black women got any hugs.
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http://www.myblackhair.nl/nicolle-jasper-wint-topmodel-of-colour-2011/
I was a bit wondering, does it amaze anybody here that a white looking, natural straight haired, half white wins a model contest withh no full whites allowed as contestants? At least Nicolle has the decency to be actually surprised she won, that classic African beauty was second.
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@king: Oh man, right on! I split my pants laughing at that one! Great example!!! It is hysterical. I think Monty Python got it too in the LIfe of Brian. Oh man, oh man.
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@teddy: ööh… No.
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About the culture: funny thing, I never even think the american music, no matter what it is, as white. I mean, we all know where it came from. Britney did not invent her stuff, not did those men in grey suits in the offices if the record company. I think there are good white musicians who play american music, which is black. Get it? American = black music. Sometimes some whites just pretend that its is not black music, but we all know that fact.
And on that note, once one punk rocker was ranting and raving how brave some punk rockers are when they are singing so daring songs and look like that. I laughed at him and told him about Little Richard. Try this: it is 1950’s, communist scare and mccarthyism, bible and patriotism, all that, and over here we have a really black guy, a bit gayish, playing this thing called rock n roll, in the deep South, where they were still lynching blacks and the conservatives and the KKK openly oppose that music. Now who do you call brave?
Punk rocker was a bit embarrassed.
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brothawolf says,
Oh man! Abagond, you beat me to this topic. I was gonna write about this lol. But, you’ve written it much better than I ever could.
On the subject though, I’ve seen this kind of conditioning in the classroom. I notice that black kids love to hug white female teachers more often than they do black female teachers. Most of the time they don’t hug black teachers at all. I even see this in after school activities. A few black kids flock toward white female teachers and workers, but none of the black women got any hugs.
laromana says,
brothawolf,
Your inciteful observation demonstrates how ANTI-BW HATE is a major manifestation of “White if right” thinking. In America, BW don’t have to DO ANYTHING “wrong” to earn ANTI-BW HATRED. They just have to BE BLACK women.
Historically, American culture/media have SINGLED out BW for HATEFUL treatment. BW HATERS have always attacked the humanity, dignity, and femiminity of BW SOLELY because they are BLACK women.
The sad thing is that the MANY in the BC (especially ANTI-BW BM) also PROMOTE/CONDONE ANTI-BW HATE while upholding the “White is right” mindset.
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Damn Angelina Jolie is hot! And yea, everything cultural white (and middle class) is seem as normal in America.
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Angelina Jolie’s lips. I’ve never understood why she is praised for this feature while our (naturally occurring) full lips aren’t. Not saying that hers aren’t. I just don’t understand why the same feature is seen as ugly on one group of people but praised when it occurs in another. I remember being teased for having “fat” lips as a child; now everyone and their mother wants what I already have!
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@ mochasister
You know why!
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I think one of the most horrible effects of this “white is right” attitude is how it makes people of color feel about themselves and other people of color. I am a school teacher and it saddens me when I see little children of color draw themselves with white skin, blonde hair and blue eyes because it’s “prettier.” Or sometimes they won’t want to play with other children because their skin is “dirty”. It’s bad enough that the people with the power despise and denigrate anyone who is different from them; people of color start accept this about themselves as well.
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I don’t think most people–white, black, or other–in contemporary America view black ppl’s lips as ugly. Smh… even if they did why would it matter? Also, has anyone considered the possibility that Angelina’s lips are praised bc they are seen as novel or unique on a white person?
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I’m sorry but in contemperary society the people who make the rules are the elite 2% and yes they are white , but they do not give a crap about thier color at least not nowadays they care about greed. they outsource jobs allow illegals to work illegally. They invest in blowing up our mountains to get coal. they don’t care about poor whites or middle class whites. in fact yes they are racist but they keep down other whites who would take thier rich titles and lands. they would rather see poor blacks kick poor whites asses because they think they can exploit the poor blacks easier by giving them a false sense of victory
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@mochasister:
You must’ve read my mind because I don’t get the hoopla over AJ’s lips either. I was also teased for my full lips as a kid (an Asian kid at that) particularly in high school. I had received a week of detention for spitting in a white girl’s face when she referred to my lips as the n-word lips.
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The Cynic says,
I don’t think most people–white, black, or other–in contemporary America view black ppl’s lips as ugly. Smh… even if they did why would it matter? Also, has anyone considered the possibility that Angelina’s lips are praised bc they are seen as novel or unique on a white person?
laromana says,
Cynic,
Every BLACK/NON-WHITE person on this post who has commented on being put down for having full lips CLEARLY stated that this happened to them in the PAST.
Also, it DOES MATTER when the “White is right” HYPOCRITICAL DOUBLE STANDARD declares Black ppl’s lips “UGLY” and then, magically, praises them as “BEAUTIFUL” on AJ, just because the feature is “seen as novel/unique on a White person”. This attitude is OBVIOUSLY WRONG and needs to be confronted/changed.
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by the way did you see the recent mtv video awards…no white men. except for lady gaga dressing up
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@Laromana
“Every BLACK/NON-WHITE person on this post who has commented on being put down for having full lips CLEARLY stated that this happened to them in the PAST.”
Have you never heard of sampling bias? You can’t possibly believe a racist troll prone site (or any site on the internet for that matter) is an accurate indicator of America’s general view toward the full lips many black have.
“This attitude is OBVIOUSLY WRONG and needs to be confronted/changed.”
-It’s more-so the unique aspect I was focusing on and not the white part. You could replace the word white with Asian, Indian, Black, or Native American and it wouldn’t change what I am saying. I am speaking of an entirely different thing than the whole “white is right” concept.
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dave,
I think your pathological obsession prevented you from SEEING the white men who actually were there. In droves. Among the audience, and among the winners:
http://www.mtv.com/ontv/vma/2011/winners.jhtml
You’re displaying the symptoms of something called “attention blindness” (and sometimes, “inattentional blindness” or “perceptual blindness”). You should look it up. It’s a particularly nasty disorder when it crops up in racists. More generally, and as many studies have shown, this type of racial blindness causes most white people to overestimate percentages of non-whites in given mixed-race environments.
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i disagree with linda. i will never understand why some black women are so quick to lump every black woman who straightens their hair as a way to look like a white woman or conform to society’s standard. granted there are some but why is it a problem when it comes to our hair? last time i checked, it’s my hair and i should be able to do what i want with it. i’m still a black woman either way and i bet half the women who criticize black women for getting relaxers or wearing weaves have done it or their mothers have had a relaxer in their hair. as far as angelina jolie, it will always be the media praising white women for having features that black women been having for years. won’t change and probably will never change.
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lil’vina, yes, you are free to do with it what you want, but why ruin your hair? There are quite some advantages to having your natural hair, and I guess that quite some of those women are indeed rather recent converts to the be-yourself-with-your-own-hair gospel, just trying to free their sistas from the slavery of unnatural hair.
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the Cynic says,
Have you never heard of sampling bias? You can’t possibly believe a racist troll prone site (or any site on the internet for that matter) is an accurate indicator of America’s general view toward the full lips many black have.
laromana says,
I don’t see the relevance of “sampling bias” to BLACK/NON-WHITE INDIVIDUALS on this post commenting on past incidences of being put down by Whites for having full lips.
the Cynic says,
-It’s more-so the unique aspect I was focusing on and not the white part. You could replace the word white with Asian, Indian, Black, or Native American and it wouldn’t change what I am saying. I am speaking of an entirely different thing than the whole “white is right” concept.
laromana says,
It would be just as much a “White is right” HYPOCRITICAL DOUBLE STANDARD for Whites to declare Black ppl’s lips “ugly” on them but then magically declare this same trait to be “pretty” on a WHITE/NON-BLACK person.
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I think the main problem with “White is right” is that you become too indoctrinated to even consider another side to the issue. Like, if the earth and sky were reversed, could you still think clearly enough to determine which was which? Same principle: when many White Americans are confronted with a completely different perspective of history and racism, they freeze up, unable to flip the script for one second. And in response to this emotional reaction, they reject the bulk of what’s being said.
I’ve seen it time and again, whenever race has been brought up in my classes people suddenly lose the ability to think. It makes you wonder if it really is true that racism is America’s national disease…
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I face the “WIR” attitude almost everyday…I’m so glad that someone else can summarize their thoughts on this theory and in fact I’m not crazy in my assessment of the mindset I face, especially as a BW in the workplace.
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@Laromana
Have you not read a thing I wrote? I don’t think most Americans look down to full lips, even when it’s on a black person. In fact, I think most Americans(black and white) think full lips look better
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“laromana says,
I don’t see the relevance of “sampling bias” to BLACK/NON-WHITE INDIVIDUALS on this post commenting on past incidences of being put down by Whites for having full lips”
I read you wrong the first time, but even when you look at it from that angle it still seems as if you have fallen victim to sampling bias. You can’t use a few events from anonymous individuals on a blog as the rule for an entire society.
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The Cynic,
I think the distaste for full lips on Black women is a historical thing, but now it’s pretty rare from what I’ve seen. Probably because of the induction of lip implants and such.
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Full lips on Black people (even among Blacks) was historically looked down upon, as was big butts. How can Whites justify calling those features ugly now when they’re running to plastic surgeons to get fuller lips and bigger backsides? Of course that kind of ridicule doesn’t exist now, at least not in the media.
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@ saadiyah,
I don’t know how they can justify it, but I’ve learned that it happens in large part as a residual result of white supremacy. That is, white people back in the day cast non-white people, especially indigenous and African people, as uncivilized. Part of that was casting them as “sexual”–loose, lusty, careless, and so on. That “Other” also became the locus in the white imagination–which had cast its own people as civilized, in control, and thus relatively unsexual–for sexual desirability.
And so, today, such apparently non-white features in women (who are also cast by concurrent, interwoven patriarchal control as the site of sexual attention) as bigger butts and lips remain, in the white imagination, more desirable.
At the same time, bizarrely enough, white beauty standards remain, in general, the most favored ones. For BEAUTY, that is. Which is a somewhat different aspect of femininity from SEXUALITY.
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@leigh204
Dang! A full week for spitting! Oh well, some things are worth it; I bet she never messed with you again! I remember I got suspended for three days for fighting a boy who had touched my butt.
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This is yet another interesting post. That’s why The Help by K. Stockett was such a blockbuster sensation both in book and on screen. There are books out there that touch on the same subject matter, but it just doesn’t have that Midas touch unless a white person does it.
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@mochasister:
I did receive a whole week of detention for spitting, but get this. The girl who called my lips the n-word received ONLY three. Apparently, making a racial remark wasn’t considered as serious. If I knew I would be getting a week for spitting, I would’ve popped her in the mouth. I was absolutely furious at the unfairness
of the situation.
Anyway, the girl and I had detention in the same classroom, and I dropped a note on her desk. I wrote if she said anything to me like that again or called me a racial slur, I would be more than happy to fight her after school. She kept her distance from me following my note.
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@ Leigh:
I am shocked, simply shocked! NOT! If you did not spit on her but merely complained she probably would have received zero days.
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Damn Leigh204 you gangsta.
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Leigh, if you got a week for spitting, imagine if you had given her a shot to the chops, after all SHE is the victim anyway you slice it.
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Once agian Aba is on point. 🙂
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teddy, it’s all about how you take care of your hair. we focus so much on hair and not on what’s more important. plus i’ve seen natural hair women don’t know what they are doing or know how to take care of their hair.i just think it’s childish and stupid to put others down because you don’t agree with it. hell i was rocking natural hair long before it became popular. now all of a sudden, everyone wants to go natural. nothing wrong with it but don’t be a hypocrite.
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@Lil’ Vina. Co-sign. Natural woman going around guilt tripping others with self-hatred, need to get a life. To me, it’s silly for both black/white folks to look down on each other. White and Black America are just inbred cousins. Bleaching is very unhealthy, too. James Masters had a lot of health problems, due to bleaching his hair to play Spike on Buffy. I never idolize whites in general. Its just plain weird. Their hair gets lice, has to be washed almost daily, spider veins, a large square jaw, and big nose. Light skin doesn’t seem fun to have with those sunburns. I hate sunburns. Also, AJ’s lips are large, odd looking and I’m not a fan of pink lips. Maybe it’s her body………. Atleast, she brought in more brunettes in Hollywood. The blonde that I really like is strawberry and platinum ( which is very rare to have naturally). Also, I never saw big butts as a black feature or attractive. Not because of white’s opinon, but the fact myself don’t have those features. But then again, race was just something white people inveted to feel special.
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I’m white, and as a teenage girl in the 80s, I got compliments on my full lips. Usually sexualized compliments, however. (DSLs, etc.)
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lil’vina,
I’ve been natural for over 20 years because like you, that’s my choice.
I like your statement:
“plus i’ve seen natural hair women don’t know what they are doing or know how to take care of their hair”
I find it sad that so many black women don’t know how to take care of their own hair.
Most say it’s too hard to manage–that’s why most get hair relaxed or wear weave….prior to hair relaxers, our mothers used hot combs, prior to that they took care of their natural hair and actually knew how to do it.
I’m all for fashion statements, I think it’s fun to change up styles and wear something different but that’s not what I was talking about.
The post is referring to how white America infiltrated the black psyche…whether we as black people realize it or not…
I stand by what I say, because to me, when black women call their own hair “nappy”, call someone elses hair “nappy”, rush to the salon to relax the new “nap” (new growth) then yes, I think they have a hard time accepting what they were born with…that attitude has nothing to do with freedom of choice or fashion.
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@ sam – I absolutely love this description you stated above:
And yet, here they are, all those sad looking whiter than white guys in their shining robes and bedroom eyelashes posing as the Saviour, in thousands of thousands of images. In books, paintings, comics, pictures of all sorts.
Absolutely perfect!! The “bedroom eyelashes” especially…I’d never thought about it that way, but it’s deliciously accurate! 😀
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you’re right linda that there are black women who don’t like their hair because it is nappy and hard to manage. i’ve always had a love/hate relationship with my hair but i wouldn’t change it. i’ve learn to accept the fact that this is my hair. one thing i love about our hair is that it is so versatile. i can wear braids, dreads, straight hair, natural hair, etc. it is sad that there are black women who don’t love their hair but i don’t put black women as a whole who choose to straighten or wear weaves. the whole point i was making is that we should focus on more issues that is affecting the black community other than hair. but i guess that’s just me.
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usagi, i agree. i get tired of some natural hair women looking down on women who do what they want to their hair, when i’m pretty sure they were rocking weaves and relaxers before natural hair became in style.
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I see things just the opposite. I believe that many black people have been socially conditioned by modern day activists to detect racism in every shadow and behind around every corner. I’ve heard for example that the expression ‘black Friday’ is racist even though it in actuality represents an abundance in the Holiday shopping season. I’ve heard that the term ‘black hole’ is racist even though it is a legitimate scientific term which has nothing to do whatsoever with skin color or race. I’ve heard that everything ranging from KFC to asking, “May I help you”?, at the grocery store can be construed as being racist. If you offer a black person assistance in a store as an employee you’re really just keeping tabs on them because you fear they may steal something. Or at least so I’ve been told. So some white employees may compensate by avoiding black shoppers. Then that becomes racist too.
I’m not saying that institutionalized racism does not exist. But you can fall victim to the paranoia of assuming that everyone is obsessed with the fact that you’re black or of a different skin tone. Quite frankly many of us have better things to do. You have to learn to use some discernment and not mold your perceptions about your environment with false preconceived notions.
Racism in its current form has often been used as a political tool and a means to end debate and social discourse. Those who opposed socialized healthcare for example were deemed “racists”. Any rational person understands that there is no logical connection between the two subjects but the media and certain high profile demagogues gladly exploited it anyway. It’s an easy out. The problem with misidentifying and overusing racism for political or other self-serving reasons is that eventually it cheapens the value of true racism. When everything is considered racist, really nothing becomes racist. In other words people will eventually suffer from racial fatigue and it becomes background noise to be tuned out. It’s like a parent who yells abusively at his/her child all of the time. Eventually the child learns to disobey because he understands that the yelling will occur regardless of what he does. As long as you’re going to be accused of wrongdoing no matter what you do, why bother changing? Racism works the same way.
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It’s interesting that white America has often been classified as this devilish evil empire with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. That none of the wrongs of the past have been reconciled. That minorities have little or no opportunity for personal advancement and the pursuit of happiness. That at least we’re expected to believe. If that were true, how does one explain that literally millions upon millions of immigrants from all parts of the world (including Africa) come here VOLUNTARILY seeking an education and a better way of life? Many put their very lives at risk just to get to in to this country. Take the influx of immigrants entering from the Mexican border for example. Many die in the desert or drown attempting to traverse it. Millions of Africans such as from Nigeria have migrated here without even knowing English. Many of them were still able to acquire an education, take of advantage of the numerous social programs available to them and become highly successful as a result. This all despite the supposed impediment of being black in color.
What’s even more interesting is reading commentary or watching Youtube videos uploaded by some of these African immigrants describing their various personal experiences here in the US. They’re often quite thankful for the opportunity to be here and to be able achieve what they have for themselves in such a short period of time. They also speak of the mistreatment that they often receive from African-Americans who don’t seem to appreciate their success as immigrants.
I think I know why. It shatters the illusion that a black person cannot make it in this country without extreme luck or inside connections. That after all isn’t the narrative of self-failure that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton wish to promote. There is a mind set that has become so pervasive amongst so many in the black community. Once again it appears to be a case where they’ve been socially conditioned by certain activists to believe that they are not able to aspire to something better in life. Perhaps such African immigrants should become the new role models to replace the old misleading race pimps out there?
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“The megalomaniac differs from the narcissist by the fact that he wishes TO BE POWERFUL rather than charming, and seeks to be feared rather than loved. To this type belong many lunatics and most of the great men of history.”
-Wikipedia [funny that their own definitions of dysfunction are so fitting when applied to their own culture]
Sounds like the perfect description of 90% of the rappers out there.
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The term ‘nappy’ to describe natural hair is a classic example of the ‘WIR’ mentality, IMO – I prefer to call it ‘natural’, because, well…that’s what it is! Natural…unadulterated…no chemicals or phony extensions that look, well….fake! 😎
Some women seem to be fine with looking phony….I’m glad I’m not that shallow.
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Blaming white people for everything has morphed in to sort of a popularized social trend. You can often hear minorities debating about which is more oppressed by white people. “Oh yeah, well guess what happened to me and my people”. “That’s nothing, you should see what happened to me and mine”. Back and forth with each side trying to one-up the other in competition of the poor-me game. It has become an addiction passed on from generation to generation. A race to the bottom. “I have it worse”. “No I have it worse”. You often find African-Americans becoming very upset when the plight of homosexuals for example is addressed in any capacity. They don’t wish to have another supposedly persecuted group stealing their thunder.
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But statistically speaking we’re not supposed to talk about which race actually commits most of the violent hate crimes in the US. That would be racist. Only white people can be racist we are often told.
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What is wrong with having personal preferences in terms of what one finds physically appealing? Are black men who exclusively prefer full figured women racist as well? Are they unfairly discriminating against other body types? Should they be reprimanded for having their own taste in females? Should we mandate under federal law that larger women be more prominently displayed in the media in order to appease those who prefer it? The concept of beauty is a trivial and superficial matter anyway.
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I’ve also learned from reading this blog that as a white person I should never under any circumstance be friendly towards a person of color as I’ll be accused of not being myself. It’s nice to know that black people are able to automatically read my mind and deduce my intentions telepathically. It seems that a white person is guilty no matter what he/she does? If I’m rude to a black person according to the blogger I’m acting as a racist but at least I’m being myself. This thinking predicated on the false assumption that all white people are racist. And if I’m friendly however I’m being fake and only feigning politeness in order to stab you in the back later. I wonder how Obama got elected if all white people think like this? Must be some yet to be determined force of nature? But knowing that it’s a no-win situation I can save myself a lot of time in the future.
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Blaming white people for everything has morphed in to sort of a popularized social trend.
I would look at this as a sport more so than a trend. I blame white people everytime I run out of toilet paper for example, espeacially when I’m in the midst of having a bowel movement. Some of my most profound thoughts on whites come about during this type of crisis, and it is a crisis, ask anyone who has ever been in this situation!
“Oh yeah, well guess what happened to me and my people”. “That’s nothing, you should see what happened to me and mine”.
How did you know this? Such insight. It’s better than the ones I get sitting on the toilet. You’ve discovered our secrets. We all sit around, preferrably in the ghetto, a back alley or on a stoop, drinking malt liqour, strumming on a bajo, getting progressively drunk whilst complaining about ‘our’ groups and the wicked white folk. That is all we do!
You often find African-Americans becoming very upset when the plight of homosexuals for example is addressed in any capacity.
Yes we are upset for there are no black homosexuals and the homosexual has usurped our title of street fashion mavens! With all those homosexuals out there, the white women are poaching our men, we have a right to be angry at the homosexual! Are you homosexual?
They don’t wish to have another supposedly persecuted group stealing their thunder.
The homosexual already has!
But statistically speaking we’re not supposed to talk about which race actually commits most of the violent hate crimes in the US. That would be racist. Only white people can be racist we are often told.
Interesting! Just what are the statistics of whites talking about blacks?
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“I would look at this as a sport more so than a trend.”
I’m glad to hear that you run out of toilet paper on ocassion. But most of the diarrhea appears to be leaving your upper orifice. Maybe free toilet paper can become the next Obama entitlement? Let’s keep our fingers crossed. We can’t have people being forced to buy their own toiletries now can we? That would be racist.
“How did you know this?”
I know this the same way that many black people have declared themselves to be experts on white people. Kind of how this very blog is set up. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. It’s funny how assumptions are never appreciated when it’s the other way around, Immediate defensiveness. And what’s with your perverse scat fetish? Every comment involves you evacuating your bowels.
” Are you homosexual?”
No. Are you?
“The homosexual already has!”
I thought misery loved company? Can’t they share in the pity party?
“Interesting! Just what are the statistics of whites talking about blacks?”
Talking about people isn’t a crime the last time that I checked.
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“Myself has such ‘helpful’ advice. Myself ‘knows’ a lot. S/he even hints that there aren’t even Black homosexuals”
When did I hint that there aren’t black homosexuals? Please quote me. See what’s actually there rather than what you wish to see.
“…and that praising hour-glass shaped women is naughty time-wasting”..
You can worship big boned women all that you want. That’s the point. No one is preventing you from your BBW worship. Who is stopping you? Please tell me so that we can contact the authorities immediately. God forbid a full figured woman is walking around out there untouched.
But you’re right. Everything is racist. Everything is worth complaining about. We should set aside a national holiday where we can all sit around and imagine new supposedly racist things to gripe about.
God is actually a racist for making the night sky black and stars white. Where can we file a complaint?
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“Maybe Myself’s butt implants are leaking?”
I won’t make the obvious skin bleach joke in return. That would be racist.
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“Do homosexuals come in one colour only?”
No. And I never said or even implied such if you actually read the quote.
“Big boned-ness is not hour-glass shape. I’m afraid many women are hour-glassed and small boned.”
Big-boned is just a euphemism anyway.
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“Myself”s implications are perfectly clear”
Which race did I identify homosexuals as? It has nothing to do with race. It’s a sexual preference. I was commenting on the hostility that many African Americans hold towards that particular sexual preference. I repeat. Sexual preference not race.
You can imagine your own skin bleach joke.
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Maybe free toilet paper can become the next Obama entitlement?
Make sure it is Cottonelle! I’m not American so what does Obama have to do with it? As for diarrhea, perhaps some Maalox will suffice. Good advice though! Perhaps the diarrhea will keep the sport going faster!
Let’s keep our fingers crossed.
Keep your fingers and legs crossed that I win the lottery tonight!
I know this the same way that many black people have declared themselves to be experts on white people.
Impressive! The only things I am an expert in is handbags, footwear, clothes and men! Who are these people and where did you meet them?
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
I’ll take a gander!
It’s funny how assumptions are never appreciated when it’s the other way around, Immediate defensiveness.
I appreciate them to no end! I love offensiveness espeacially when it is tastefully done and funny at the same time.
And what’s with your perverse scat fetish? Every comment involves you evacuating your bowels.
I’m sitting on the toilet as we speak! It is indicative of the shit you are babbling on about.
” Are you homosexual?”
No. Are you?
I am a homosexual man trapped in the body of a woman and proud of it!
I thought misery loved company? Can’t they share in the pity party?
Where’s the fun in that?
We should set aside a national holiday where we can all sit around and imagine new supposedly racist things to gripe about.
Yessss!!!! We can sit around griping and drinking coffee, then we can repair to the Bingo Hall!
I won’t make the obvious skin bleach joke in return.
What does that got to do with leaky butt implants?
Where can we file a complaint?
blowitoutyourhole.com
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You have missed the point, Myself.
Not only that, Myself has missed the boat!
Thank you for educating us that homosexual is a sexuality.
No one knew this before you pointed out that it wasn’t a race!
Yes, I thought homosexuals were only white men! Thank you! I wonder what else ‘Myself’ will grace us with Bulanik?
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“Thank you for educating us that homosexual is a sexuality.”
Well then why did you struggle so much with basic reading comprehension in your last three posts where you falsely accused me of narrowing gay people down to one color? I agree. I shouldn’t have to point out the obvious. But I can’t help it if you can’t detect the obvious.
“No one knew this before you pointed out that it wasn’t a race! And has nothing to do with race!”
So now you’re blaming me for your own incompetence? That’s grand. You’re the one who misread my comment and now you feel insulted because I’ve been forced to correct you? If you don’t like being corrected then don’t make so many mistakes.
“I wonder if Black homosexuals experience homophobia, too!”
Of course they do. African Americans are often insensitive to homosexuals of ALL races. Where did I ever identify homosexuals specifically by race? Still waiting and hearing crickets…..
A black person for example can be prejudiced against an obese person even if they too happen to be black. You’re arguing against a strawman.
“I don’t imagine jokes about my own skin bleaching – it’s not my aesthetic.
It was your idea, remember?
Yes, my idea in response to another racist joke. So what?
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“Yes, I thought homosexuals were only white men! Thank you! I wonder what else ‘Myself’ will grace us with Bulanik?”
Someone needs to grace you with the ability to read a sentence.
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Re-posted for emphasis.
Where did I ever identify homosexuals specifically by race? Still waiting and hearing crickets…..
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Someone needs to grace you with the ability to read a sentence.
Someone should grace you with the ability to write one. What do leaky butt implants have to do with race?
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“Someone should grace you with the ability to write one. What do leaky butt implants have to do with race?”
So you’ve already given up on the last debate? Come on. That was too easy. And over something so simple too.
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Which race most typically adores the big booty? I’ll give you a hint. Not white.
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Watching Myself reflexively knee-jerk all over this thread while confusing snark for a valid argument is just hilarious. Especially when he/she actually tried to accuse blacks of engaging in (the notoriously white) tactic of “The Suffering Olympics.” Which, if I remember correctly, is the morally bankrupt argument used by whites against blacks, when they bring up slavery.
“Well Native Americans had it worse than you! So shut up!”
“You don’t hear Jews aren’t cryin’ the blues!
These types of whites aren’t interested in any sort of discussion, because they predictably demonstrate what Zek said earlier.
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@ Myself
Which race has suddenly and increasingly placed emphasis on their women wearing Apple Bottom Jeans? Which race designed a special pair of them that have a large plastic implant sewn into the seat to create the illusion of a large butt? Here’s a hint:
It rhymes with “Fright Sheeple”…
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I mentioned on my blog how I was conditioned for a long time not to see the “real world” i.e. the racism that still exist, that oppression still exist, and that I was a black boy in a white supremacist nation. For a long time when I was young, I drew white people as cartoons because I watched cartoons a lot when I was little. So, I started to create my own ideas were white people were the main characters. I never realized how brainwashed I was. I never thought what I did was a bad sign until a black male art teacher told me that I should draw things that reflect who I am, a black male. After that, I turned to drawing black people as main characters for ideas for cartoons I thought of. But, I still had the “slave mind” in automatic.
For a short time, a few years ago in fact, crime was higher than usual around my area. As you know the only way black people get in the front page story of most newspapers is if they are suspected of a crime. Sure enough, stories of black criminals appeared including the story of one brotha who shot and killed another brotha and went off hiding for more than a year. Until then, I was haunted by “WANTED FOR MURDER” fliers with his face in the center. Everytime I saw that flier, I felt an uncomfortable sensation within my stomach. I felt like people, especially white, were looking at me like I was a potential criminal. This is how I feel EVERYTIME I hear about a crime where a black person is a suspect. I wrote about it last year calling it Black Shame. I know POC experience the same thing in a nation like this. That’s why I avoid all news, except for Democracy Now, because I’m afraid for the worst. The most bizarre part is that I haven’t committed any crime, but I still feel intense shame whenever I see a mugshot of a black person or seeing a black person shackled up and escorted by police. It makes my heart hurt enough to want to curl up in a ball, close my eyes, and hope to feel better about myself.
The funny thing about the murder I mentioned was that two years earlier, a white man killed his foreign wife, and they have YET to find him. There were no wanted fliers for him at all.
For a while, I, like a lot of people, black and white, blamed black people for the way things are. I was unaware of the specter of racism that was haunting us in secret that was making brothas kill each other. I was angry at my people not just because of the so-called black-on-black crime, but seemingly turning a blind eye to it. Since then, up until today, I try not to succumb to self-hatred of my own skin, the skin I was born with and the skin that defines who I am. I try not to allow the matrix of whiteness coerce me into cursing out my creation. However, it’s still a struggle. Even though I see things clearer than ever before, I’m still fighting inside. I fight my own mental self-destruction. I fight to make sure young people don’t end up trapped. I fight to free myself from the bondage that still has a hold on my soul.
Now, that I’m more aware of how whiteness operates, my mind is so much more enlightened than it was in the past. However, my frustration and anger has grown due to the truths I’ve discovered, especially to the truth that I was asleep for a long time. I was angry that I didn’t see the writing on the wall sooner. For a long time, I was a POC conditioned to look down on my own people, and I am deeply ashamed of it.
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This was funny. Oh man. 😀 Way to go herneith 😀
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“brothawolf says,
Oh man! Abagond, you beat me to this topic. I was gonna write about this lol. But, you’ve written it much better than I ever could.
On the subject though, I’ve seen this kind of conditioning in the classroom. I notice that black kids love to hug white female teachers more often than they do black female teachers. Most of the time they don’t hug black teachers at all. I even see this in after school activities. A few black kids flock toward white female teachers and workers, but none of the black women got any hugs.
laromana says,
brothawolf,
Your inciteful observation demonstrates how ANTI-BW HATE is a major manifestation of “White if right” thinking. In America, BW don’t have to DO ANYTHING “wrong” to earn ANTI-BW HATRED. They just have to BE BLACK women.”
How hot were the white teachers? Were the white teachers hotter than the black teachers? Perhaps that’s one of the reasons. People that are beautiful tend to get a lot of breaks in life.
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Serpentus,
Not all of the white teachers were fine, and there was one black teacher I thought was a queen. I would hug her all day long lol.
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I admit that I did get hugs and handshakes from kids and teens even though I’m average in the looks department. Then again, I am liked by a lot of kids.
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Wow! Just looking at the posts from @Myself and noting the fact that even though he/she really didnt have anyone to engage with, he/she spent the best part of 3 hours spouting barely concealed ‘White is Right’ zealoted diatribe to vent about the mistreatment of WP by the BP who have been mistreated by WP lol. Anyone heard of the phrase ‘chip on their shoulder’ – Myself is living proof of this statement.
Myself states ‘I see things just the opposite. I believe that many black people have been socially conditioned by modern day activists to detect racism in every shadow and behind around every corner.’
.’…But you can fall victim to the paranoia of assuming that everyone is obsessed with the fact that you’re black or of a different skin tone’
Yet, the first thing you do when something you dont like/dont understand (I cant rule out the latter in this instance) comes along is the very thing that YOU state BP are needlesly paranoid about – directing comments about skin tone. Do you not see the irony here…
@ Bulanik – “Maybe Myself’s butt implants are leaking?”
@Myself ‘I won’t make the obvious skin bleach joke in return. That would be racist’.
Why dont you just admit it – you felt unerved and enraged to see a forum for black people, by a black person that doesnt kowtow to the sensibilities of the generic breed of individual aka ‘Black person fearing White person’ and you felt threatened by this.
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i agree with demerera
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I like Hereniths comment lol
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I hated to interrupt your precious black pity with some much needed perspective. But once again you have proven my point. Black people absolutely despise it when the focus of victim is placed on anyone but themselves. Demerera’s post like others is a working example of this phenomenon. When a black person creates blog entry after blog entry filled with sorrowful stories of black plight and oppression the person is rewarded and congratulated with great praise. A true trailblazer. Yet when someone of another color posts a few comment in the public comment section they are castigated as a zealout espousing thinly veiled racism. It is perceived as a direct threat to the black poor-me monopoly going on here. “This is our business and business is good”. Blame whitey sure is a trademark money maker. Just ask Al Sharpton. He has built an entire career around it.
The vast majority of the posts contained in this blog are inherently race related. So yes, it’s pretty difficult to discuss racial matters without actually including comments about race and skin tone. Is that racist now too? Must we invent a new word for that now? The paranoid hypersensitivity comes to light once again. No irony to be seen here. Move along.
I won’t admit to anything because you don’t speak on my behalf. I’m perfectly capable of expressing my own views for myself. But once again you have reinforced my point that black people like to play the role of pseudo-psychic mind reader.to feed in to their own baseless assumptions about white people.
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Which race has suddenly and increasingly placed emphasis on their women wearing Apple Bottom Jeans? Which race designed a special pair of them that have a large plastic implant sewn into the seat to create the illusion of a large butt? Here’s a hint:
It rhymes with “Fright Sheeple”…
Which color race pushes skin bleach, weaves and hair relaxers and creates entire documentaries about having, “good hair”. It rhymes with crack.
You want to have it both ways. When white people select their own option of what is perceived to be attractive in society you complain. When white people conform to other forms of beauty you complain as well. You are addicted to complaining. You’re a complaint addict and you need professional help. This falls directly in to the, “Everything is racist” category.
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“Watching Myself reflexively knee-jerk all over this thread while confusing snark for a valid argument is just hilarious. Especially when he/she actually tried to accuse blacks of engaging in (the notoriously white) tactic of “The Suffering Olympics.” Which, if I remember correctly, is the morally bankrupt argument used by whites against blacks, when they bring up slavery.”
The Suffering Olympics? So you’ve coined a special little term to describe a white person defending himself against your own delusional paranoia? I understand that you wish to monopolize the blame game strategy. It would be so much nicer if white people would just sit back and allow black people to make broad sweeping generalizations without challenge. Now who is is the one who really doesn’t want to have an open discussion? Actually, you want to have a discussion which is one-way and entirely framed by you and your parameters.
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“Herneith, I fell asleep before seeing your comment to Myself”.
That’s funny. I fell asleep WHILE reading them.
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“That explains your inability to think….”
My inability to think like a fool.
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Enjoy your afro then.
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“Actually, I have naturally loose, silky waves.
Assuming foolishly, again?”
So YOU admit that an afro isn’t a natural look? How terrible of you. There should be a protest. I’m calling Sharpton. Someone gather the signs.
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@Myself, in a way you are right, but let me tell you about a broadcast I saw shortly, one was a white proper historian, the other had gone for stereotypical black history, if you heard him he sounded exactly like some no good N-word professor of black history (The fun part was that he was, judging by name and looks, actually from South Asian descent).
They were talking about the story a guide tells to visitors in one of the still extant slave fortresses on the African coast. The most beautiful slave women, were selected, given a bath, berought to the governor´s room and raped there. The white guy told reasonably, there is no evidence at all for that story, only for the fact that black women WERE raped in the fortress, that is beyond any doubt, but the story about the selection, the washing before the rape and the governor´s room, has no historical backing at all, not even from a grandchild´s massa or so. It could be, but for all we know the rapists selected the women on virginity, lack of fierceness, low value or not all, and the washing may have been afterwards or not at all and it coulds happen everywere in the fortess.
The response of the `Black history` guy, it could have happened that way, so it is true. Of course that kind of thinking drives one crazy, just as a black man´s denial of the existence of early (and ineffective) abolitionists.
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@Myself, continued, So that kind of stuff has driven you crazy, I understand, so I would advise you leave this board and to stay away, in the interest of your own sanity.
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The tolls are coming out in full force on this blog, I forgot who once said this, but judging from the responses from individuals such as Myself, Jason, Zek and the rest of their lik I believe it to be true “If White people don’t like what you are saying or doing, it must be the right think you are saying or doing…”
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@Myself
‘But once again you have reinforced my point that black people like to play the role of pseudo-psychic mind reader.to feed in to their own baseless assumptions about white people’.
Talk about assumptions –
I hated to interrupt your precious black pity
YOU assume you know what race I am
Just ask Al Sharpton
You assume I know about Al Sharpton
black people like to play the role of pseudo-psychic mind reader.to feed in to their own baseless assumptions about white people.
You assume incorrectly that my comment relates to ALL white people when any fool can see that it is written in direct response to YOUR post.
I wont assume as you have done throughout your response to me, I will merely assert that YOU are the one who has done nothing but make baseless and unfounded assumptions about a race of people that you clearly do not know and you certainly don’t engage with on a personal level.
Do you understand now why people on here refute your comments and respond in the way they do?
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But once again you have proven my point.
What point? Could it be that you are not getting the ‘point’?
Black people absolutely despise it when the focus of victim is placed on anyone but themselves.
Actually, we would prefer the focus be taken off of us so we could have some respite form the micro-assaults aimed at us on an almost daily basis.
When a black person creates blog entry after blog entry filled with sorrowful stories of black plight and oppression the person is rewarded and congratulated with great praise.
And so they should be! Pity Party poopers such as yourself, notwithstanding.
Yet when someone of another color posts a few comment in the public comment section they are castigated as a zealout espousing thinly veiled racism. It is perceived as a direct threat to the black poor-me monopoly going on here.
If the shoe fits, wear it! In order for a gearbox such as yourself to have any power to pose as a threat to myself, you would have to be signing my paycheque, you ain’t. Posts from an anonymous persons as yourself are nothing but fodder for jokes and hilarity. Opinions are like bungholes, everyone has one. You can chose to respond or not. You chose to respond, I am responding to your f***tardness with more f***tardness, understand. We are individuals. What one black person posts does not mean we are all bobble head figurines in complete agreement over everything. Even the white folk have varying opinions. There may be consensus on certain topics, there may not be, what of it? If you disagree and would like to place a complaint, email blowitoutyourhole.com. The only thing I want to know about ‘Al Sharpton’, is who his hairdresser is.
The vast majority of the posts contained in this blog are inherently race related.
Well it’s like this; if the writer of this blog was writing about handbags, footwear, cosmetics, man whores and clothes, I bet the majority of the responding posts would for the most part be about that! Understand?
But once again you have reinforced my point that black people like to play the role of pseudo-psychic mind reader.to feed in to their own baseless assumptions about white people.
If I were a ‘psychic mind-reader’, I’d predict the winning lottery numbers, not the mind of a fatuous person who doesn’t have a clue, nor wishes to acquire one.
Which race has suddenly and increasingly placed emphasis on their women wearing Apple Bottom Jeans?
What the **ck are ‘Apple Bottom’ jean? Do you wish to discuss how racist you are or fashions?
You are addicted to complaining. You’re a complaint addict and you need professional help.
You are right, we need therapy but not the kind you are alluding to. We need shopping therapy! LETS GO SHOPPING EVERYONE! You appear to suffer from that malady called Yankeeism, we are not all Yanks(shout out to all my peeps in Yonkers or is it Bonkers?). Perhaps you need some therapy with the anti-xenophobia movement. A lot of intersectionality going on here. You are all over the map!
Actually, you want to have a discussion which is one-way and entirely framed by you and your parameters.
Who doesn’t. If you don’t like, email gearboxesareus.com, perhaps they can assist you.
My inability to think like a fool.
No, it reflects your inablity to think period. The fact that you responded to my nonsensical replies proves this. If this is a debate, it is one-sided. Have a nice day.
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Herenith & Bulanik
You know whats happened in the case of ‘Myself’ dont you? It probably came on the web following a situation where he/she had been ‘bested’ by a POC, licking his/her wounds and determined to find validity about the fact he/she indeed is superior over BP due to his/her own race.
On seeing the link to Abagond and the post there-in ‘White is Right’ the poor dolt followed the said link only to find to his/her dismay that this was not the article that they were expecting. Instead, there were people on here who were challenging the mentality behind the ‘White is Right’ theory and thus, he/she became further enraged and felt it pertinent to advise everyone that BP are NOT marginalised and that instead BP suffer from a mental condition called ‘paranoia’ and that even though he/she feels the need to respond to ‘slights’ with racially motivated responses that any racism felt by BP from this is them playing the race card!
Poor thing, Didums – I wonder if ‘Myself’ will be happy that I am actually putting the focus and the sympathy his/her way now. 😉
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All of this whining and complaining is fantastic. I’m giving you exactly what you want. More self-pity ammunition to use on yourselves.
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If a black person is racist he/she is elevated to the status of ‘civil rights activist’ following in the footsteps of MLK. A true hero of the minority masses If a white person is racist he/she has a deep-rooted psychological disorder. This is what I call the race pimp double-standard. The race card can be played at any moment. Always be prepared to be accused at any given time.
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@myself
Have you not noticed yet how you have had no support throughout almost all of your comments, and that the amount of comments against you have risen. This is of course because your comments are senseless and as demerera says, ‘baseless’. I also think that it is quite apparant that no-one cares about your stupid posts, and the amount of your supporters will sadly (for you) not increase, infact I reckon it will depleat soon because you and your sad friends will realise you are outnumbered and should stop commenting and leave Abagond.
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“What point? Could it be that you are not getting the ‘point’?”
I already explained it but apparently you’re blind as well as incompetent?
“Actually, we would prefer the focus be taken off of us so we could have some respite form the micro-assaults aimed at us on an almost daily basis.”
“Micro” is a good way to describe it. In other words insignificant and typically blown out of proportion.
Damn girl, you know what happened to me today? What girl? A white person actually had the nerve to politely say hello to me. What!!!! You know damn well he was trying to be racist.,Al Sharpton explained it me in his best-selling book Race Pimping For Beginners. I highly recommend it.
“And so they should be!”
So my assertion was correct.
“In order for a gearbox such as yourself to have any power to pose as a threat to myself, you would have to be signing my paycheque, you ain’t. ”
Who ever said I was trying to pose a threat? That’s your own irrational interpretation. I could care less about your paycheck or what you do for a living.
“We are individuals. What one black person posts does not mean we are all bobble head figurines in complete agreement over everything.”
It’s too bad you’re wholly incapable of recognizing that white people are the same way. But blog postings such as this one prove that most black people do not understand that concept. Either that or they’re just unwilling to accept it. Once again the race pimp double-standard comes in to play. Black people generalize about white people constantly as these previous comments demonstrate. But when a white person does the same suddenly the ants come out a marching in droves. Do as I say, not as I do.
“The only thing I want to know about ‘Al Sharpton’, is who his hairdresser is.”
Whoever he is he should be fired.
“If I were a ‘psychic mind-reader’, I’d predict the winning lottery numbers, not the mind of a fatuous person who doesn’t have a clue, nor wishes to acquire one.”
So stop pretending to know what white people are thinking then pseudo-intellectual. I know that you’re a charlatan. You didn’t have to tell me that. You’ve simply deluded yourself in to believing that you have a clue. Keep living a lie if it’s more comforting.
“Which race has suddenly and increasingly placed emphasis on their women wearing Apple Bottom Jeans?”
Who cares? I’m not interested in fashion or where to purchase tacky gold plated teeth.
“The fact that you responded to my nonsensical replies proves this.”
It would be racist to simply ignore your absurdities. So I’m humoring you.
“What the **ck are ‘Apple Bottom’ jean?”
You tell me. I didn’t mention it. Franklin did. Oops. You better accuse him instead.
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“Have you not noticed yet how you have had no support throughout almost all of your comments, and that the amount of comments against you have risen. This is of course because your comments are senseless and as demerera says, ‘baseless’. I also think that it is quite apparant that no-one cares about your stupid posts, and the amount of your supporters will sadly (for you) not increase, infact I reckon it will depleat soon because you and your sad friends will realise you are outnumbered and should stop commenting and leave Abagond.”
I’m not looking for support. I don’t need someone else holding my hand like others here do. The truth is not an Abagond popularity contest.
If my comments are senseless then substantiate your claims with content.
Apparently they do care. Look at how they’ve come out of the woodwork to confront me in no time. I knew they would. I lure them in with the self-pity bait and they come swimming in from miles away. Who can resist a perfect opportunity to blame whitey? It’s wore than a crack addiction.
I need a fix. I need a blame whitey fix. If I don’t get my daily dose of deflecting personal responsibility I become dizzy.
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@Myself:
Keep the jokes coming!
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“Maybe myself had a little of that “focus” directed at him for one moment, once, and wanted to let off some steam?”
The author of this very blog is a self-proclaimed racist and you all seem to adore this person. I thought you all appreciated racists? I guess only ones that complain incessantly about whites huh? Yeah. The old race pimp double-standard always in play. Don’t talk about being victims of racist when you’re involved in exchanging racist jargon yourselves. That is unless you’re comfortable being hypocrites?
I’m just shifting the focus to add some much needed perspective.
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“We all sit around, preferrably in the ghetto, a back alley or on a stoop, drinking malt liqour, strumming on a bajo, getting progressively drunk whilst complaining about ‘our’ groups and the wicked white folk.”
This is an interesting quote. As usual black people are far better at creatively describing black stereotypes than white people are.
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“I bust out laughing with the big bones remark,”
Easily amused.
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“Now you are not making sense. Whose afro should I be enjoying? Are YOU dreaming about enjoying one?”
The unnatural looking ones.
“You assume we are all Americans on this blog 🙂
You assume we all know about Sharpton. :-)”
Just more problems with reading comprehension on your part. So you’re not supposed to discuss American social/political politics with non-Americans? Why do British newspaper discuss Obama then? Come up with better arguments.
“Signs? Protest? What are you on about? Are you sleepwalking?”
I’m trying to conjure up an anti-white protest. You know, with protest signs and such.
“You sound lonely, and threatened. Do you want to make Black friends, or something by listing your Good White Person’s grievances?
I’ve learned form this blog that you’re not supposed to be nice to black people. I’m just following the advice.
I often hear black people say, “I’ll bet you don’t even have any black friends”. This of course implying that you aren’t worthy of expressing an opinion about black culture. But if you explain that you do actually have black friends you’re greeted with another popular go to response. “Oh, like having a black friend changes anything, you still owned slaves”. Yet another example amongst many where everything is considered racist.
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@Bymyself formerly known as Myself
The question has to be asked why are you here? If you think we are all racists, shiftless Negros would should be happy to be living in AmeriKKKa, why waste your time with the comments? As told your fellow White supremacists Jason and Zek, you can withdraw yourself from Abagond’s viewership, and instead turn on the T.V., read the newspaper, radio, etc. and you will be comforted with the unending message that White people are “the greatest people on earth” who have done nothing wrong to anyone.
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“Talk about assumptions”
It never bothered you before. As long as the fraudulent suppositions are written about white people that is.
“YOU assume you know what race I am”
You share the mindset regardless. It doesn’t much matter to me beyond that. Maybe you’re a self-loathing white liberal? I doubt it though.
“You assume I know about Al Sharpton”
I assume that you’re at least intelligent enough to use Google. Am I giving you too much credit? I will no longer do so.
“You assume incorrectly that my comment relates to ALL white people when any fool can see that it is written in direct response to YOUR post.”
I said black people, I didn’t say YOU. It was a general comment. The same as 95% of the non-specific comments made about white people around here. It’s amazing how upset people become when they get a taste of their own bitter medicine. The old double-standard.
“Do you understand now why people on here refute your comments and respond in the way they do?”
Because it feels so good to play the role of victim.
I can see that I’m really upsetting the apple cart around here. God forbid a varying viewpoint is discussed. It was much more entertaining when it was a one-sided anti-white polemic-fest.
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“The question has to be asked why are you here? If you think we are all racists, shiftless Negros would should be happy to be living in AmeriKKKa, why waste your time with the comments? As told your fellow White supremacists Jason and Zek, you can withdraw yourself from Abagond’s viewership, and instead turn on the T.V., read the newspaper, radio, etc. and you will be comforted with the unending message that White people are “the greatest people on earth” who have done nothing wrong to anyone.”
For the same reason that minorities from all of the world seek haven in the so-called evil white USA. The same reason that many complain about this country but refuse to leave.
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@bymyself
Blacks have been in this country have been here just as long as whites, native Americans even longer! People of color HELPED to make this country what is it: my ancestors provided free labor that built this county (the white house) and created wealth (major banks and blue blood families). I will take myself back to Africa when YOU take yourself back to where YOUR ancestors came from…..
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“Have you not noticed yet how you have had no support throughout almost all of your comments”
Do you think I’m surprised? I’m not blaming white people for everything under the sun including when it rains, if my alarm clock doesn’t go off, if I lose my car keys, if I sprain my ankle etc. I’m assuming a very controversial position here. The notion that maybe, JUST MAYBE people are largely responsible for the quality and condition of their own lives. That maybe you are responsible for your own mistakes and advancements in life. That forever blaming someone else becomes habitual and self-defeating. It does not serve your own best interests. It’s a hindrance to your personal experience.
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“Blacks have been in this country have been here just as long as whites, native Americans even longer! People of color HELPED to make this country what is it: my ancestors provided free labor that built this county (the white house) and created wealth (major banks and blue blood families). I will take myself back to Africa when YOU take yourself back to where YOUR ancestors came from…..”
That’s fine. But I’m constantly reminded that it still a terrible place. That black people to this day are merely modern day virtual slaves. It’s so egregious that it’s an unbearable existence to be black in America. So bad and yet every possible excuse and reason is made in order to stay here.
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@ Myself
“You assume I know about Al Sharpton”
I assume that you’re at least intelligent enough to use Google. Am I giving you too much credit? I will no longer do so
Oh, so now you want me to do research on Al Sharpton as fodder for YOU so that you can label me as another follower of him his politics thereby supporting your stereotypical viewpoint – duh, silly me!!!!
“YOU assume you know what race I am”
You share the mindset regardless
What is this ‘mindset’ you speak of? Where have I espoused my thoughts of this particular blog? I have merely responded to your raging rants about ‘double standards’.
Maybe you’re a self-loathing white liberal? I doubt it though
to see ‘Self loathing’ in its true form, you ought to look in the mirror.
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“White people are “the greatest people on earth” who have done nothing wrong to anyone.”
Yeah, because that’s always the main headline in the NY Times.
Hell, we’ve become so politically correct in the US that we can’t even depict a black person as a burglar in a commercial promoting home security. That would be racist.
Just watch MSNBC some time. It’s the complete blame whitey cable news experience.
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@ByMyself
Your response doesnt stand up in terms of the posters here, none of whom IMO are looking to blame to anyone for anything – they are just talking about what they have experienced. I think you are fighting an unecessary 1 man battle but the real battle is going on in your own head.
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“Oh, so now you want me to do research on Al Sharpton as fodder for YOU so that you can label me as another follower of him his politics thereby supporting your stereotypical viewpoint – duh, silly me!!!!”
From now on I’ll assume that you’re too lazy to actually research the topics that you’re choosing to comment on. You speak from ignorance. I gave you too much credit. I shouldn’t have. Now I know better.
“What is this ‘mindset’ you speak of? Where have I espoused my thoughts of this particular blog? I have merely responded to your raging rants about ‘double standards’.”
The blame whitey mindset that draws people to this site like flies. I see nowhere on this site that you’ve complained or objected about the endless amounts of swill and drivel written on here about white people. Assumptions based on nothing more than self-righteous finger pointing. But when I made a few critical comments you sure couldn’t type fast enough with your defensiveness on full tilt. That’s a double-standard. It’s what I’ve learned to expect.
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“Your response doesnt stand up in terms of the posters here, none of whom IMO are looking to blame to anyone for anything – they are just talking about what they have experienced. I think you are fighting an unecessary 1 man battle but the real battle is going on in your own head.”
I read an exchange where posters were bantering back and forth about how white people suffer from psychological disorders. No one person in specific. Just white people in general. It’s exactly the kind of thinking that they are so adamantly opposed to when it’s a white person behind it talking about a black person. It’s a double standard. The author of this blog is a self-proclaimed racist. And yet he is spoken about with such high regard and praise by most posters here. That’s great. They’re racist. They should at least have the integrity and the intellectual honesty to own up to it as the author of this blog has. Quit being so dubious and shifty.
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Guys, please don’t even bother with this Myself fellow. He’s getting some perverse thrill when you pay attention to him.
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For the same reason that minorities from all of the world seek haven in the so-called evil white USA. The same reason that many complain about this country but refuse to leave.
After they have been here for a couple of months they change their tune. Anywho, this non-debate has put me in mind of this:
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“Guys, please don’t even bother with this Myself fellow. He’s getting some perverse thrill when you pay attention to him.”
It’s too late for that. Look at the piles of responses that I’ve already received. They can’t resist the temptation. I know it.
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“After they have been here for a couple of months they change their tune. ”
Yeah, they join blogs like this one and bitch. But they never pack them bags. They know they have it too good here.
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@
Myself
are you serious?..what is your problem?
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“are you serious?..what is your problem?”
I’m just a white person who recognizes that black people hate us regardless of what we say or do so why even bother to try and make amends? I don’t try anymore. Instead I give them exactly what they expect.
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well just because someone likes to wear hair that aren’t theirs doesn’t make them phony.
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“Yeah, they join blogs like this one and bitch. But they never pack them bags. They know they have it too good here.”
Of course! White people raped and piliged the lands and resources of Africa, Asia, and Latin America and used those inputs to build up the US and Europe. We are coming over to enjoy what’s rightfully ours : )
Bymyself you sense of privilege makes this too easy….
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“well just because someone likes to wear hair that aren’t theirs doesn’t make them phony.”
That’s a comment that a black woman is most likely to make about another black woman. The militant Lauryn Hill types take offense to any black person going for what they perceive to be a more European look.
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@ Myself & anyone who believes in ANY sort of “reverse racism.”
http://www.timwise.org/2002/06/honky-wanna-cracker-examining-the-myth-of-reverse-racism/
I suspect that this article will more than amply counter YOUR “whiny contentions” regarding so-called black racism towards white people. After reading this article I would urge you to CONTINUE TO READ Mr. Wise’s articles, since you obviously can’t hear (or believe) what PoC are telling you. Why not use your time doing more “productive” pursuits??
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@Myself
Re Al Sharpton:- ‘From now on I’ll assume that you’re too lazy to actually research the topics that you’re choosing to comment on. You speak from ignorance. I gave you too much credit. I shouldn’t have. Now I know better’
Getting ahead of yourself here. It is YOU who constantly mentioned his name in your posts – not me. I refrained from commenting on him for the very reason that I know next to nothing about him. Besides, I’n not always entirely convinced about what the press say about people either and it isnt necessary for me to go and raid the archives of ‘you tube’ to hear what he might have to say purely to satisfy you.
‘I see nowhere on this site that you’ve complained or objected about the endless amounts of swill and drivel written on here about white people.
And neither have you witnessed me being a detractor of white people either.
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“Getting ahead of yourself here. It is YOU who constantly mentioned his name in your posts – not me. I refrained from commenting on him for the very reason that I know next to nothing about him. Besides, I’n not always entirely convinced about what the press say about people either and it isnt necessary for me to go and raid the archives of ‘you tube’ to hear what he might have to say purely to satisfy you.”
You know nothing about him. That’s not my problem. If you cared enough to learn you could. I’m not going to spoon feed his bio to you. I think you’d relate quite well to his racial politics. Just a hunch.
“And neither have you witnessed me being a detractor of white people either.”
You’ve been on my case since I’ve got here.
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man the troll are coming. guess abagond touched a nerve.
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“man the troll are coming. guess abagond touched a nerve.”
I think I severed a nerve. And maybe a jugular vein too.
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“We are coming over to enjoy what’s rightfully ours : )”
Because you appreciate the end result obviously. Your use of the word “enjoy” speaks volumes.
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“….jugular vein? Oh, I think that is the leaking silicone from the butt implant talking. Again.”
Or you sure you haven’t just misread why comments again? Maybe you need another weave that fits better? It’s blocking your vision.
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As I’ve said before. I bait and I goad and they come for the bait every time.
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“Can you not see you are being played with?”
The guppy says as it eagerly takes the bait dangling before its eyes.
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Keep responding guppy.
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How does the bait taste? Shall I season it for you the next time?
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Oh no. All of the world’s problems are the results of white people. I’m outraged and prepared to throw a childish temper tantrum just like you. Let’s hold our breath together until we turn blue and stomp our feet in defiance of the white man.
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“Add a drop of some tanning lotion next time. Or are you still right while white?
You supply the lotion. I’ll get the skin bleach for you. Michael Jackson said he’d loan you some.
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It’s so easy blaming other people for your own inadequacies. No wonder you’re so good at it.
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“You might be talking to a white person…….”
I might be talking to anyone. So what.
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Anyone of any color that is. I could care less.
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When you lost your keys the other day it was my fault. The evil white man has found a secret way to make you forgetful. We developed this magic potion in our secret underground science labs. We spray your neighborhoods with low-flying planes. There ought to be a blog written about this. It’s a very serious issue.
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You know nothing about him. That’s not my problem. If you cared enough to learn you could. I’m not going to spoon feed his bio to you. I think you’d relate quite well to his racial politics. Just a hunch.
Clearly you have an obsession with Al Sharpton that I dont care to share – I’m sorry that I am not making your marginilised view easier whereby anyone who doesnt agree with you is some kind of militant or bleeding heart liberal.
‘Just a hunch’ – *Sigh* Again with the assumptions
“And neither have you witnessed me being a detractor of white people either.”
You’ve been on my case since I’ve got here.
LOL, you’re nothing but a meglomaniac with a tiny ego that needs stroking. It seems that disagreeing with your comments upsets you so much that anyone who doesnt agree with what you say entirely has to be labelled by you in the negative.
The only reasonably sensible thing you have said in all of your posts is:-
The notion that maybe, JUST MAYBE people are largely responsible for the quality and condition of their own lives. That maybe you are responsible for your own mistakes and advancements in life. That forever blaming someone else becomes habitual and self-defeating. It does not serve your own best interests. It’s a hindrance to your personal experience
IMO, this post is supposed to reflect how the ‘White is Right’ mentality can manifest itself and the repercussions therein. It does not say that ALL BP blame ALL WP for the problems they face in day to day life.
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Guys, once again, please don’t give Myself the attention he’s looking for. It’s obvious he has an agenda.
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Perhaps Herneith should have another go at the laughing donkey?
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@myself
do you unerstand what my profile name represents?..it means i see both sides
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“Clearly you have an obsession with Al Sharpton that I dont care to share – I’m sorry that I am not making your marginilised view easier whereby anyone who doesnt agree with you is some kind of militant or bleeding heart liberal.
‘Just a hunch’ – *Sigh* Again with the assumptions.”
It’s not about Al Sharpton. It is his divisive views. Many of which are expressed routinely in this blog. I can’t help it if you’re bothered by my accurate observations. Remember, white people aren’t supposed to be fake. We’re supposed to be up front and tell it how we see it. Don’t complain when I give you this brutal honesty.
It wasn’t an assumption. It was a guess.
“LOL, you’re nothing but a meglomaniac with a tiny ego that needs stroking. It seems that disagreeing with your comments upsets you so much that anyone who doesnt agree with what you say entirely has to be labelled by you in the negative.”
And yet you’re still back for more. I’m just reeling in the line. Stop being so painfully predictable. It makes it too easy to anticipate your next move. Besides it was all revealed in chapter 5 of Race Pimping For Beginners. I think you read the book huh? I like inspiring your contention. I don’t want you to agree with me. Mission accomplished.
” IMO, this post is supposed to reflect how the ‘White is Right’ mentality can manifest itself and the repercussions therein. It does not say that ALL BP blame ALL WP for the problems they face in day to day life.”
The biggest promoters of this ridiculous ‘white is right theory’ is black people. They need to invent these false boogiemen to attack and tear down to make themselves feel as if they’re moving forward. It’s such a convoluted way of thinking. African immigrants who come to the US haven’t been subjected to this kind of self-destructive brainwashing. Look at how quickly they are able to attain success and without all of the telltale griping and moaning. Many of them will explain that they don’t understand why so many African-Americans complain so much when opportunity is so abundant in the US. Negative outlooks often breed negative experiences.
It matters not if you’re not an American. It’s just an example.
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“Guys, once again, please don’t give Myself the attention he’s looking for. It’s obvious he has an agenda.”
Are you issuing orders?
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Leigh204@ Guys, once again, please don’t give Myself the attention he’s looking for. It’s obvious he has an agenda.
I know you’re right Leigh – whats the saying? You can’t argue with Stupid…something like that lol – think its an American saying so probaby have it wrong
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“Correct for rational and accountable individuals – people with some measure of mental balance. Not the case here, methinks…”
I agree. Most black racists here do not fit the criteria aforementioned.
Whitey did it to me. That’s right. Whitey. He planned it all. Everything. From the very start. It’s all his fault damn it! He and his cohorts conduct secret meetings in their ivory towers and they plot the complete and total destruction of black culture. We must take action now before its too late. I mean they already took Oprah off the air. That was planned in an underground bunker by a white guy. I just know it.
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‘I like inspiring your contention. I don’t want you to agree with me. Mission accomplished’.
Turns you on does it? You dirty little bugger you.
Enough now – on that note I refuse to engage with you to assist you in your quest for w*nking material.
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“Turns you on does it? You dirty little bugger you.
Enough now – on that note I refuse to engage with you to assist you in your quest for w*nking material.”
Surrendering? That quickly? Come on. I symbolize the white boogieman that oppresses you. Fight the good fight.
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“do you unerstand what my profile name represents?..it means i see both sides”
It’s vehemently racist to consider any perspective other than black. One-dimensional thinking is dually encouraged at all times. Disagreement not allowed. Intellectual fascism enforced at all times.
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‘Surrendering? That quickly? Come on. I symbolize the white boogieman that oppresses you. Fight the good fight’
My dear, this is borderline harrasment but I shall indulge you one last time for the time being though in terms of ‘blame’ I do blame myself for engaging in debate with you – I should have seen the signs with your obsessiveness about Al Sharpton.
Bless you – you dont figure that highly to be any kind of spectre or bogeyman in my life dearest.
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“My dear, this is borderline harrasment but I shall indulge you one last time for the time being though in terms of ‘blame’ I do blame myself for engaging in debate with you – I should have seen the signs with your obsessiveness about Al Sharpton.
Bless you – you dont figure that highly to be any kind of spectre or bogeyman in my life dearest.”
Knew you’d be back.
Harassment? You’re the one licking the link and scrolling down to find me.
But you’re right. The white boogieman was never intended to be an individual but rather an aspersion cast upon the collective.
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@Demerera:
That’s right, D. You can’t argue with Stupid aka Myself. 😀
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Would someone please post a bulletin. Don’t respond to the white person. Red alert! Do not respond to the white person. He is planning our destruction and he’s here taking notes. He’s writing it all down and he plans on using it against us.
Red alert! DEFCON 1! White man with an opinion!
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New flash: most of those Africans immigrants are the from the middle and upper classes of the societies from which they left, and for every African immigrant that YOU say says that African Americans complain too much, I can point to another that says that WHITE RACISM is endemic in the USA and see the connection between the African American experience and their own experience with European aka WHITE IMPERIALISM….
But let me guess Mr. All seeing, all knowing white person, your information is non-biased and accurate, and my information is some racists propaganda that I learned from Al Sharpton…..
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“New flash: most of those Africans immigrants are the from the middle and upper classes of the societies from which they left, and for every African immigrant that YOU say says that African Americans complain too much, I can point to another that says that WHITE RACISM is endemic in the USA and see the connection between the African American experience and their own experience with European aka WHITE IMPERIALISM….
But let me guess Mr. All seeing, all knowing white person, your information is non-biased and accurate, and my information is some racists propaganda that I learned from Al Sharpton…..”
And many of them couldn’t even SPEAK ENGLISH when they arrived! Now how’s that for a REAL obstacle to overcome? I always see this rage directed towards African immigrants from other black people who seem to be jealous of their success. They don’t believe that being educated makes you a sell-out to the white man, or an Uncle Tom. They don’t go around calling each other “house nigga”..
And yes, there are plenty of people who see racism everywhere that they look just as they’ve been conditioned and trained to do so.
No. My information is all a carefully crafted and clever deception designed to destroy your cultural identity and keep you perpetually oppressed. Now go write a blog about it.
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damn where is abagond when you need him? all this fighting is pointless.
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AHA!! Herneith!!! That will set thing’s right! Hahaha!!
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Nice to see people spamming the the comment section with redundant videos.
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It s a LAUGHING ASS!
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Most of them come from former English speaking colonies, try again please…
Education is something that black people have always pushed for, that is what a big portion of the civil rights movement was about (unequal education$ that is what the whole issue about charter schools are about…..
So please save the “black people don’t like education” trope for someone else….
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Damn, I see there’s a new troll on the block, a rather conceited, arrogant, racist troll at that. I guess that’s what that person calls him/herself “myself” cause it looks like it’s all about him/her.
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“Education is something that black people have always pushed for, that is what a big portion of the civil rights movement was about (unequal education$ that is what the whole issue about charter schools are about…..
So please save the “black people don’t like education” trope for someone else….”
I read a news report about a young black girl who was beaten to death on a bus by several black thugs because she committed the sin of, “acting too white”. In other words she was educated, articulate and likely to become a productive member of society.
Studies and surveys have been conducted which show that such sentiments are indeed prevalent. Bill Cosby has addressed this issue and was of course vilified for it.
Jesse Jackson even accused Obama of acting white.
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“Damn, I see there’s a new troll on the block, a rather conceited, arrogant, racist troll at that. I guess that’s what that person calls him/herself “myself” cause it looks like it’s all about him/her.”
But it’s OK for the author of this blog to admittedly be a racist?
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@ leigh204
You’re right. Arguing with stupid aka myself is rather pointless.
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“Studies and surveys have been conducted which show that such sentiments are indeed prevalent. Bill Cosby has addressed this issue and was of course vilified for it.”
Present your evidence and I will present mines, or is the words of a white su
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By the way, my “racist” comments about keeping black people perpetually oppressed were facetious. I’m just playing in to the white privilege paranoia that is so popular around here. The idea that whiteness is this ominous and ineffable presence that can shape shift and pass invisibly through walls in the middle of the night to invade your consciousness. It’s something that you have to be on guard for and protect yourself from all times.
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Or is the word of a white supremacist evidence enough?
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http://peabody.vanderbilt.edu/acting_black_hinders_gifted_black_student_achievment.xml
“Gifted black students often underachieve in school because of efforts to “act black,” new research has found, offering insights into the achievement gap between black and white students in the United States and why black students are under-represented in gifted programs….”
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“Or is the word of a white supremacist evidence enough?”
Bill Cosby is a white supremacist? Clever disguise.
Bill Cosby candidly describing materialism over education.
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/billcosbypoundcakespeech.htm
“..And these people are not parenting. They’re buying things for the kid — $500 sneakers — for what? They won’t buy or spend $250 on Hooked on Phonics…”
“… I can’t even talk the way these people talk: “Why you ain’t where you is go ra?” I don’t know who these people are. And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. Then I heard the father talk. This is all in the house. You used to talk a certain way on the corner and you got into the house and switched to English. Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can’t land a plane with, “Why you ain’t…” You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. There is no Bible that has that kind of language. Where did these people get the idea that they’re moving ahead on this. Well, they know they’re not; they’re just hanging out in the same place, five or six generations sitting in the projects when you’re just supposed to stay there long enough to get a job and move out…”
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Bymyself
I am debunking the last round of your racist rants, after this point I am done with you…
“Gifted black students often underachieve in school because of efforts to “act black,” new research has found, offering insights into the achievement gap between black and white students in the United States and why black students are under-represented in gifted programs….”
Interesting you choose to focus on the lack black in “gifted programs” and extrapolate this as to mean that Blacks as a whole don’t value education. Ok I will bite, here is my EVIDENCE that supports my argument:
Among blacks ages 25 and older, 82% have at least a high school diploma Vs. 14% in 1950.
Among blacks ages 25 and older, 19% have a bachelor’s degree or higher Vs. 2% in 1950.
http://nces.ed.gov/naal/lit_history.asp
2.5 million, number of black college students in fall 2008, this is roughly double the corresponding number from 25 years earlier.
High School dropout rates for African Americans have decreased substantially in the last thirty years, dropping from 33.5% in 1974 to 17% in 2005.
http://www.postsecondary.org/
Ohh let me guess, the only reason why more Black are getting an education is because good old White folks such as yourself are getting us to value acting “white” right? Or will your retort be that they are only getting these degrees because of affirmative action?
Back to that so called study you linked on your post:
“They surveyed 166 black 5th- through 12th-graders identified as gifted in two Ohio school districts.”
Very small sample size with self reported results….
“Sixty-six percent of the students surveyed reported knowing someone who had been teased or ridiculed for doing well in school, while 42 percent reported being teased for this reason themselves.”
So is bullying of the smart kids a Black issue or an American issue? Let me guess, when Bill Gates was in high school all his white classmates admired him, and he was one of the more “popular kids”…….
“Bill Cosby candidly describing materialism over education.”
So Bill Cosby’s perspective is a valid argument in regards to the failures of the Black community, but Tim Wise’s opinions, as a white man, are not valid in regards to White people’s failure to address their own toxic “white mindframe” that you and most other White people have? Furthermore, is materialism a Black problem or an American problem? Last time I checked most of the people purchasing homes that they couldn’t afford during the housing bubble didn’t look like me….
“Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads.”
Every White person speaks Standard English? That is a shock to me…….
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I’m glad that you’ve provided us with these figures because it melts away the illusion that you’re so heavily invested in believing that black people cannot possibly become successful in the US because the white man has set up so many traps along the way. How do you reconcile this discrepancy in your own mind? You want so badly to blame evil whitey for everything and yet we find that they DO have equal opportunity to an education and an improved standard of living if they’re willing to work hard for it.
We have affirmative action, hiring quotas based on race and all sorts of entitlement and other social programs specific to aiding minorities. You become irate whenever I bring up the successes of African immigrants as if you’d rather see them falter. As if their personal failure would help to bolster your rigid views that being being black in white America is a barrier that is nearly impossible to overcome.
The study that I linked to does show that many black students correlate being “too smart” with being white. Even at the level of advanced studies. That’s where you’d least expect to see it and yet even there it exits. You try to shrug it off but it’s actually a very deeply troubling discovery.
What kind of sample size would you expect to see in a high school survey? It’s not a national poll.
Bill Gates may have been bullied but did he deliberately sabotage his own education in order to conform to his detractors? Apparently not.
When were the people who purchased homes identified individually by race? I don’t recall ever seeing that report?
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“Ohh let me guess, the only reason why more Black are getting an education is because good old White folks such as yourself are getting us to value acting “white” right?”
As always you miss the point. The idea isn’t to get young black people to act white. It’s to teach them not to associate being “too smart” with being white. That intelligence is an attribute best suited for people of all colors, religions, genders and creeds. I had no idea black people had this many hang-ups about white this and white that. Not to this extent at least.
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“Every White person speaks Standard English?”
That’s not what he said. His point was that you’re not going to get a job flying a plane when your vernacular is, “Yo Dawg”. Not unless you work for Ghetto Airlines..
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*Sighs at Myself’s comments*
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The first “Yo Dawg” I’ve seen on this blog came from you, username “Myself”. Why even bring that here when you can see for yourself that no one (save for you) is writing in Ebonics?! You’re full of stereotypes and girlish snark. You have absolutely nothing to teach us. Why have your hissy fit here?!
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‘We have affirmative action, hiring quotas based on race and all sorts of entitlement and other social programs specific to aiding minorities.
Where I am from, there is something called ‘Positive Discrimination’ that has been put in force following amendments to the Equality Act. Initially, when these new aspects of legislation were introduced there was a lot of scaremongering in the press, things such as ‘pakistani men will get jobs over us white men cos their asian’ that kind of thing.
What it was supposed to do is re-dress the balance. By that I mean that there was still a lot of institutionalised marginalisation going on in the case of some employers – less so for big industries but more so for smaller businesess when the hoi poloy would need to mix more with staff.
I remember talking to a colleague who’s father had a small engineering concern where he proudly told me that his dad disregards CV’s with the name Ali, or Ahmed on them cos he wont employ paki’s!!!! Hopefully, this kind of attitude is lessening but it is examples like this that remind me of why it has been felt necessary to address attitudes like this.
Realistically, if I was one of the minority groups affected, would I want to work in an organisation like the one in the example I gave? No. Would I want to rail against the injustice that went on there? I would personally say, stuff them, they are missing out on my expertise and take my self off to a more progressive organisation.
Overall though, what are your thoughts on Positive Discrimination? Is it a fair process? Can it work? Does it work or does it serve to further ignite real or perveived injustices?
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Myself
“do you unerstand what my profile name represents?..it means i see both sides”
It’s vehemently racist to consider any perspective other than black. One-dimensional thinking is dually encouraged at all times. Disagreement not allowed. Intellectual fascism enforced at all times.
I’m living proof that this is incorrect – literally!
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“Overall though, what are your thoughts on Positive Discrimination? Is it a fair process? Can it work? Does it work or does it serve to further ignite real or perceived injustices?”
I don’t have a problem with policies which are intended to level the playing field for minorities in terms of employment opportunity. My problem lies with those who continue to promote the myth that no efforts have ever been made to seek balance within the confines of racial inequality in the US. Sure it’s not a perfect system and there will always be those who will demand more (like 40 acres and a mule) but honest efforts have been made. What irks me most are those who ardently refuse to acknowledge any progress whatsoever in an almost cult-like fashion. Progress of any sort takes the wind out of the hate whitey sails. They are like urban failure-mongers and tragedy vultures.
Look at how certain people react impulsively to my posts when I point out that black people in America both native and otherwise can most certainly achieve. It’s as of some of them wish to say, “Stop your white lies”. “No we can’t”. “Whitey holds me back”! But if I post about certain black youth who do not seem to value education for various different reasons I see the exact opposite response. “Oh yeah, look at how well we have performed according to the official statistics”. You can’t have it both ways. I’m asking folks to remain consistent and at least pick a side. You can’t argue logically when you’re jumping back and forth between two diametrically opposed positions.
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“The first “Yo Dawg” I’ve seen on this blog came from you, username “Myself”. Why even bring that here when you can see for yourself that no one (save for you) is writing in Ebonics?! You’re full of stereotypes and girlish snark. You have absolutely nothing to teach us. Why have your hissy fit here?!”
Are you familiar with BET? Watch that for a bit and you’ll see what I’m talking about. This kind of vernacular has been popularized by urban music most notably hip-hop. Besides, I was imply echoing the sentiments of Bill Cosby.
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“I’m living proof that this is incorrect – literally!”
What is your racial make-up?
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“Are you familiar with BET?”
A company that is run and owned by a White corporation, aka Viacom. Viacom also owns MTV, and in my opinion both channels show nothing but trash programing. But of course BET is a reflection of ALL BLACK PEOPLE AND OUR CULTURE……….But I forgot, those White people we see on Jersey Shore speak proper English, and conduct themselves in such a proud manner. A credit to the White race : )
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“A company that is run and owned by a White corporation, aka Viacom. Viacom also owns MTV, and in my opinion both channels show nothing but trash programing. But of course BET is a reflection of ALL BLACK PEOPLE AND OUR CULTURE……….But I forgot, those White people we see on Jersey Shore speak proper English, and conduct themselves in such a proud manner. A credit to the White race : )”
I thought you said that you were finished with me? You’re the second person to claim that and then come back for more.
I agree in part with one point that you made. You brought up the Jersey Shore fools. I agree that they’re idiots. But I thought this was a vast evil whitey conspiracy exclusively perpetrated against the innocent black people? You just defeated your own argument. Once again your nagging paranoia about white people has prevented you from seeing the bigger picture even when you have the facts at your own disposal. You’re blinded by the race card.
Did I say BET was a representation of ALL black people? Could you do yourself a favor and for just once in your life stop immediately leaping to conclusions? What style of music sells best with the black youth in particular? It’s hip-hop music and that’s exactly where such slang and colloquial expressions have been popularized. How is that the white mans fault? How did the white man create a demand for hip-hop culture in urban communities? Black people are being forced to accept hip-hop culture against their will? Is that how it works?
I love this argument in particular. Black people love to declare their desperate need to control their own image in the media. So let me get this straight. Let’s use 50 Cent as an example here. Does he not dress himself like a thug or does the white owner of BET select his wardrobe for him with threats at gunpoint? Does the white owner of BET write his lyrics for him? Does the white owner of BET control his public behavior and how people judge him according to his own actions? Quit pretending as if black people are all victims of some kind of nefarious white subliminal mind control program and as a result they’re unable to dictate the direction of their own lives. Don’t you ever get sick of it? EVER?
One question. Wasn’t BET actually sold to Viacom? That makes the person/entity accepting the offer guilty?
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Myself says
I don’t have a problem with policies which are intended to level the playing field for minorities in terms of employment opportunity.
Ok, you dont have a problem but do you think you are part of a majority who thinks this way or the exception?
My reason for asking this is that clearly something is still going wrong in terms of employment hence the reason for a shake up of this kind.
Sure it’s not a perfect system and there will always be those who will demand more (like 40 acres and a mule) but honest efforts have been made.
Yes clearly honest efforts have and are being made but are they working? How do you stop a WM from feeling as if he doesnt have a chance against candidates who otherwise fit the bill i.e. female, homosexual, POC etc?
Bulanik
Positive Discrimination is a tricky one. I have my reservations about it’s long term effects and moral sustainability.
I like the idea behind it but I agree with you in terms of moral sustainability. At times it seems as though there almost is another layer which needs to be countered first, that of personal prejudice/perception however, this is neither feasible nor realistic. Life and industry can and must go on and the only way an organisation can succeed is to have good employees in its employ.
Recruitment processes are changing to make it more difficult to ‘screen’ people before they are invited to interview. Things such as assigning a ‘number’ to the employee rather than clarifying their name at selection process will no doubt play a part in ensuring that people are selected more on talent/skills/capability than anything else. Thereafter at interview stage lies the potential problem when Mr/Mrs Hirer has seen Mr/Mrs Candidate and uses the ‘visuals’ to base decisions on employability.
Of course, not all organisations recruit in the anonymous way I have just mentioned so this lack of consistency can and probably could lead to bias in terms of selection just by looking at a candidates name or potentially where they live.
For it to work, the whole process needs to be monitored from start to finish which I know is a pain and potentially micro managing for some organisations who do promote and hire a diverse workforce.
Talk about feeling abandoned and betrayed! Thus, as law, Positive Discrimination is useful, but – it fuels social division rather than social cohesion.
I think there is a lot of truth in what you say here. I remember at work a few years ago, we had Equality and Diversity training and the White Males left the room feeling demoralised and saying ‘basically if you are a white man, you are last in the pecking order for jobs’. I dont have statistics but my guess is that not only are organisations male dominated but I would suggest that they are also white male dominated so it was alarming to me that they came away thinking like this.
Consistency certainly is needed though in order to promote and support social cohesion. It should not be felt that just because you are a WM that you will no longer be as employable as someone who ticks all the boxes on the Equality bill but how to go about this? I wish I knew. I will have to fall back on an old cliche for the time being ‘you can please all of the people some of the time but you can please all of the people all of the time’ (think thats it) 🙂
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One last point. If 50 Cent suddenly dressed in a luxurious suit and tie, spoke articulately and promoted a positive message how many albums would he sell?
He’d be called a sell-out, a white-wash, an uncle Tom, a “house nigga” and a fraud etc. “He ain’t hood no more”. He’d be abandoned like yesterday’s news. That’s not my fault as a white person I hate to tell you. I know that it pains you dearly to hear that because blaming me for everything is like a religion for you. But it’s reality.
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^ As an addendum to my comments above NO-ONE should be actively discriminated against – wasnt sure whether that was clear cos at the end I seem to have gone of at a tangent.
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“You’re blinded by the race card.”
Personal acts not included, this is coming from a person that can’t even keep their arguments as to why “its all black peoples fault” straight, lol
“What style of music sells best with the black youth in particular?”
90 percent of the people who purchase hip-hop music are White males in the suburbs, so try again…
“Could you do yourself a favor and for just once in your life stop immediately leaping to conclusions? ”
Can you take your own advice for ONCE????!!!?
“Let’s use 50 Cent as an example here. Does he not dress himself like a thug or does the white owner of BET select his wardrobe for him with threats at gunpoint? Does the white owner of BET write his lyrics for him? Does the white owner of BET control his public behavior and how people judge him according to his own actions?”
And your point is what exactly? People in the “hood” don’t need to see 50 cent on TV to get an idea of the “street” life, in its in front of them everyday….
Furthermore, 50 cent isn’t even popular anymore, so please update your scary black rapper stereotype……..
“Don’t you ever get sick of it? EVER?”
Shouldn’t you be asking yourself the same question?
“That makes the person/entity accepting the offer guilty?”
That was a business deal, the programing of BET changed after the White boys took over. But of course, you being the ALL MIGHTY WHITE PERSON, you should have known that already, you seem to know everything else about being Black and Black culture, lol.
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“Ok, you dont have a problem but do you think you are part of a majority who thinks this way or the exception?”
It’s probably about 50/50. Politically speaking liberals would be more inclined to support such policies while conservatives would not. Independents might split either way. Generally speaking of course. It’s not all just white folks chiming in either. They’re are black and Hispanic conservatives as well. Take Herman Cain for example. People like to assume that political views correlate directly to racial makeup and they do not. Though I’d admit that most African Americans tend to be more liberal in their stances.
“Yes clearly honest efforts have and are being made but are they working? How do you stop a WM from feeling as if he doesnt have a chance against candidates who otherwise fit the bill i.e. female, homosexual, POC etc?”
You can’t legislate for corrections of basic human nature. Federal government cannot and never will be able to change people’s feelings and emotions. We can only make sincere efforts to effect positive change. But we can never create a perfect utopia where everyone is pleased all of the time. If that becomes our main objective we will inevitably end up dissatisfied.
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“One last point. If 50 Cent suddenly dressed in a luxurious suit and tie, spoke articulately and promoted a positive message how many albums would he sell?”
50 cent has been doing much of that as of late, but the problem is White people aren’t buying his albums anymore……..They preferred him when he was wearing the dew rag….
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“As an addendum to my comments above NO-ONE should be actively discriminated against – wasnt sure whether that was clear cos at the end I seem to have gone of at a tangent.”
You’re probably one of the few rational, level-headed people posting here. You don’t seem to have become so married to the notion of when-in-doubt-just-blame-white.
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“No we can’t”. “Whitey holds me back”!
Still here a**cr**k? You must be a masochist who enjoys punishment! Well let’s pretend I am a dominatrix!
They are like urban failure-mongers and tragedy vultures.
You bemoan the fact that a bunch of negroes get together and critique the system of white supremacy. We should be greatful for whatever crumbs are thrown us. That is what your code talk alludes to.
Progress of any sort takes the wind out of the hate whitey sails.
Progress allows you to feel good about yourself espeacially when flagellating a bunch of negroes on a blog. The fact that you ascribe motives, philosophies and garbage in general to a group or groups of people, was my first clue that you were an a***c***k of the first order. And no, you can not teach me ‘about progress and racsim’, you belligerent fool.
Look at how certain people react impulsively to my posts when I point out that black people in America both native and otherwise can most certainly achieve.
We are reacting to you obtuseness, also, it helps to while away the time whilst housecleaning. Plus, you are comical in your obtuseness! Take your ‘Great White Bwana teaching the lowly Negroes’ act elswhere and these things will not concern you.
I’m asking folks to remain consistent and at least pick a side.
You don’t get it do you? This isn’t a ‘debate’. Posters are making fun of you for the most part. Those that seriously engage you are accused of blaming ‘whitey'(by the way, I’ve never heard a black person use that term, must be your white paranoia coming to the fore).
What is your racial make-up?
I’m from Uranus, crack out the Preparation H!
Finally:
Email blowitoutyourhole.com or gearboxesareus.com for further elucidation.
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“50 cent has been doing much of that as of late, but the problem is White people aren’t buying his albums anymore……..They preferred him when he was wearing the dew rag….”
So maybe white people should just boycott all forms of black culture? No. You’d still complain.
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50 Cent Talks Technology and Investments at CES
http://www.cnbc.com/id/40970078/50_Cent_Talks_Technology_and_Investments_at_CES
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50 Cent Talks Technology and Investments at CES
http://www.cnbc.com/id/40970078/50_Cent_Talks_Technology_and_Investments_at_CES
Yeah, in which song? His fans aren’t flocking to the CNBC website in search of stock tips. Last time I checked he was saying that it’s fun to get shot,
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@ Myself
‘You don’t seem to have become so married to the notion of when-in-doubt-just-blame-white.
I dont. I firmly subscribe to the fact that if individual 1 does something to sabotage me/p*ss me off and I have advised/warned them that of this then I take it out on the individual who has bothered me – regardless of what race/gender/nationality they are – I dont discriminate 🙂
It has be said though that peoples individual day to day experiences will and does have an effect on things going forward. If you live in an area where you have been burgled consistently (i’m thinking of a poor guy where I used to work), you most certainly will want to move out of the area and may build up a loathing for the poeple therein (this was a notorious area where the so called dregs of society were sent to live) and he as an ‘outsider’ not just due to race (he was a philipino man) but also due to the fact that he wasnt brought up locally and didnt have an extended family locally. Is he right to hate the area and the people it seemed to breed? Rationality says no, but in terms of his personal experiences it would be understandable if he built up a marginalised and mistrustful view of things. No amount of educating is going to change this guys mind cos he’s the one living in the situation day to day.
Sometimes its not until you take a step back and are able to move away from the situation can you see things rationally and clearly.
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I almost missed this round of blathering.
I’m not in to pretending. That appears to be a black hobby. You enjoy imagining all sorts of non-existent situations and scenarios which promote self-pity and victimization. At that you’re an expert I must concede. Congratulation at excelling in self-destruction. Keep up the good work.
Complain all that you want. Please. By all means Complain and until you pop a stinking blood vessel in your head. I could care less. Chronic complainers are not and will never be productive members of society. They’ll just waste their days passionately involved in their black complaint cult. You must be the leader? Lead your ignorant followers right in to the toilet and don’t forget to flush afterward. Blind leading the blind. Successful black people are tired of pulling your dead weight. Ask Herman Cain.
So continue to oppose progress of any sort then you idiot. Continue to oppress yourself with your illogical addiction to feeling sorry for yourself. Keep doing it. You’re good a it. Practice makes perfect. And lord knows you’re putting the hours in.
You’re reacting to the fact that I’m dissolving your petty white privilege myths which you have invested so much time and effort in. Time that could have been better spent actually doing something positive. But no. The negativity addicts and complaint activists are in too deep to stop now.
Now please excuse me as I continue to develop this secret subcutaneous microchip technology to be embedded in all black people around the globe. Once the white rulers have successfully implanted you with these chips your minds and bodies will become subject to remote control with hand held devices manipulated by Dick Cheney in his secret underground bunker. Write a blog about it.
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“Personal acts not included, this is coming from a person that can’t even keep their arguments as to why “its all black peoples fault” straight, lol”
I don’t blame black people for everything. I just blame them for contributing to many of their own problems. I know that’s 100% inconceivable to you. Always leaning on the blame whitey race crutch.
“90 percent of the people who purchase hip-hop music are White males in the suburbs, so try again…”
90%? Made up figure?
Whites purchase so much black music but they’re still all racist. Another logical fallacy.
And how much of what you own right now was researched, developed and sold by the evil white man? Why don’t you boycott all of those materialistic items instead of feeding in to the evil white capitalist system if you’re so dedicated and principled?
“Can you take your own advice for ONCE????!!!?”
Example please.
“And your point is what exactly? People in the “hood” don’t need to see 50 cent on TV to get an idea of the “street” life, in its in front of them everyday….”
So then why were you trying to blame the white owner of BET for having proprietary control over the black social image? It turns out they have no problems developing their own image as you’ve just admitted. Gee. What a shock.
“Shouldn’t you be asking yourself the same question?”
As soon as you man up and finally stop blaming me for everything I’ll quit. That won’t be happening anytime soon.
“That was a business deal, the programing of BET changed after the White boys took over. But of course, you being the ALL MIGHTY WHITE PERSON, you should have known that already, you seem to know everything else about being Black and Black culture, lol.”
Yes. A business deal. A two-way transaction agreed upon by both parties involved. Which means that the former black owner gladly offered the sale. Blame the black man for being a sell-out to the white man. But I guess the seller was the victim right?
And yes, that’s when the white boys began dressing your black role models. Every black celebrity has a white minder living with them at all times who controls his/her every decision in life. I read about that in chapter 6 of Race Pimping For Beginners.
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@Bulanik
Demerera, what’s your take on this reaction you witnessed?
How did others (men, women, Black, Asian, White) in the training session interpret this incident?
Actually, the man running the training was a black man – I wonder if this enhanced this feeling of alienation from the guys??? There were no men of colour in this session as they were not based locally or in different sectors of the organisation. White women did not feel marginalised, after all the legislation supports them as females. Others were not vocal in their opinions.
The organisation as a whole maintained that they were adherents to the Equality for All legislation however, there were many other social imbalances that were rife throughout coupled with much nepotism and ‘old boys networking’. Suffice to say it was an extremely unpleasant environment within which to work as it was an organisation that was set up to help and support the vulnerable and infirm but was ran by totally immoral, f*cked up individuals who made it their duty to flout the law and behave unprofessionally at any turn. A BIG learning curve for me which I would not want to repeat nor would I wish on anyone either.
What did the white males who walked out understand ‘equality’ and fairness to be, actually?
I was shocked – perhaps naively that they came away thinking this. I listened to them vent and let them get it off their chests. When the conversation ceased I said ‘this legislation is supposed to re-dress the balance’ to which one of them responded and said ‘yeah but where does that leave me?’ and I asked him whether he had felt or indeed been discriminated against as a white male in his life thus far to which he replied no. I then asked him why he felt it was a problem that this would be (hopefully) a way of making it a level playing field for all and he sheepishly responded that this was not how it felt to him. I asked him why and he couldnt (maybe wouldnt) articulate it.
To be fair the term ‘re-dress’ the balance/imbalance had not been used in the training session at all and I cant altogether rule out that these guys did not understand the term ‘re-dress’ in the context of this legislation – as silly as it sounds. This is based on my day to day interactions with them in the course of our professional lives and in fact, one of the guys is the guy I mentioned previously who told me that his father actively screens CV’s and disregards Asian applicants.
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Their anger and despair rises to the surface fast, it seems, when there is even the mention of being treated just a little less than White, a little less than Male.
I had to take similar ‘workshops’ as there were Human Rights injunctions against my employer, these workshops being one of the orders they had to complete. They were one day exercises in futility to say the least. You had your requisite angry white man who espoused resentment of the whole process. You also had the angry white woman who was frightened of having to share any of the gains made, they didn’t give a hoot about racialized females. Lastly, there was the clueless racialized person. I had to attend these one day ‘workshops’ off and on over the years. This has effected nothing but more resentment and animosity. The only thing this effected ultimately were death threats against blacks and black homosexuals.
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Demerera said:
Their anger and despair rises to the surface fast, it seems, when there is even the mention of being treated just a little less than White, a little less than Male. Just a slight loss of status, for a moment, just to even numbers out a tad, to level out the playing field, and, BAM! An avalanche of unhappiness. The world becomes contaminated and just plain wrong. Resentment. Jealousy. Inability to think, and think lucidly and rationally. Were they, in fact, disoriented?Can they only think when things are on their terms and the attention is on them? Then accusations of unfairness fly. Only they matter, and to hell with the Others.
This is so very true. Where I live, a lot of WP seem to feel extremely threatened at the very idea of any PoC being on equal footing, no matter what the scenario. I see whites practically running down the sidewalks to get ahead of / in front of any non-white they see, as if a daytime stroll is suddenly a marathon that NEEDS to be won! Pathetically fragile egos those types seem to possess, no?
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Blame whitey… Must…. Blame… Whitey… Personal responsibility does not compute….. I repeat…. Does not compute….. Reality overload…..
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@ Bulanik
@sepultra13
That was in fact my comment
You took the words right out of my mouth Bulanik lol.
Will hopefully check in sometime tomorrow to respond to your post Bulanik – ttfn
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Abagond, I understand your rationale for allowing certain ppl to continue posting on your blog. They fit the full bill and receipt of everything this blog is shining light on, but don’t you just get weary and want to push that ban button at times?
@ topic: Well one of the ways I have exorcised myself from white mind control is to cancel my cable subscription. As a matter of fact, I have no access to viewing the TV since I have not bought one of those digital converter boxes to get the new digital signal. I choose very carefully what I read, listen to, or view on the internet. White is right is not just for whites, it is a mental programming aimed at having all ppl believing in the white ideal. They start you off by introducing their traditional bedtime stories, which is the child’s first foray into being held a mental captive by the white ideal. As you progress in your schooling you are taught about European history and culture. By the time you are an adult you are owned. While the white man’s physical slavery was abolished he made sure to keep the mental slavery intact for as long as their are mental slaves to be had . At least now I see more POC finally waking up and emancipating their minds from the shackles of the white ideal.
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Mabel,
are you telling me that using a black model (showing a lot of skin and natural hair) to sell ladies’ hygiene products, two white and one black (no straight hair on that one either) to sell visits to a casino, a WM-BW (natural hair again) to advertize a bank and a black male showing lots of skin to with black baby doing the same to sell baby care products, to a white majority consumers base is something that still would be noticed around you? I mean by whites too?
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Gosh am afraid I shall be quickly known as the girl who always starts posts with words like “as an African…” ha ha! But its the best I can offer.
White is right mentality affects us here in Africa too. Anything foreign has to be better especially anything European. The Bible books we read as kids in Sunday School were full of depictions of white Adam & Eve, white Isaac, white Jacob, white angels, white Mary, white God damn even Lucifer was white! And they were all blonde and blue eyed, real Nordic looking people. So we have been conditioned to think that the white race is better after all even God is white! There you go! A continent of misled people. How do you recover from this? Go to any church especially a Catholic Church in Africa and you wonder….Am sad and angry now.
The hair, I don’t even want to start on that but most African women don’t really reflect on what relaxed hair and weaves mean to them. I am glad for one thing though, I am beginning to see lots of women with locs and braids. BTW African men have an overwhelming dislike for weaves, I have no idea why just a random fact.
White as the standard of beauty, not really sure if this is so pervasive in Africa. Maybe a little bit. After all most tend to think Ethiopians, Eritreans and Somalis have the most beautiful women (TBH some of them are breathtaking) but the reasons for this sometimes point to self-hatred and condescension of “Negro” features. And maybe the hair thing. But generally, since Africa is full of black men and women, we still tend to prefer each other and see beauty in us all.
Appropriation of African music….hello? Paul Simon anyone? This guy made millions off an album that was ONLY great because of the cultural sounds of South Africa i.e. Lady Smith Black Mamabazo and people are calling him a genius! SMDH!
Finally (and this is a biggie for me!) white celebrities “Saving Africa”. The depth of my feeling for this is so profound I am overwhelmed sometimes. Africans are helpless idiots and infants never mind that half the problems (if not 90%) of what is wrong with Africa can be directly related to colonialism and neo-colonialism after all we have only been independent as a continent for an average of 40-something years. Our economic systems were set up for failure and dependence on our colonial masters and now Bono and company want to save us? How about campaigning for fair trade, how about campaigning for an end to subsidies to farmers in Europe and the US, how about shutting down the World Bank and the IMF which kills our economies, how about boycotting corporations that flame wars in Africa in the name of minerals, how about Shell and Exxon in Nigeria, how about many how abouts??? How about that? No you wouldn’t do that, its easier to take photo ops with poor African women and children who look like skeletons and hold huge concerts (with the same recycled African artists who have to beg to be part of the “Save Africa” concert). That’s easier than trying to change the root cause of poverty in Africa and the 3rd world because that would shut out doors for you at the White House and other presidential houses in Europe. White liberals are sometimes the worst racists and bigots of them all and that is the Truth.com. Tell it to the birds, I am deaf!
Bob Marley said it best we need to emancipate ourselves from mental slavery none but ourselves can free our minds.
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@ Myself As an African (here I go again) am not blaming a white man for ALL the problems in Africa but trust and believe that if i follow the crumbs on what is rotten in my motherland a lot of it leads to colonialism and neo-colonialism. Now we shall do all we can to get ourselves right but sometimes some things are bigger than us and would require a complete overhaul of the world systems which, whether you want to admit it or not, has conspired to keep POC around the world down for centuries.
Is it not ironic that it is the global south countries (3rd world countries) have the most resources and are the most poor? Is that really on us?
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@ malkia:
If you ever want to do a guest post on white celebrities “Saving Africa”, my door is always open. Guidelines here (the big one is that it has to be 500 words give or take 20):
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@ Abagond I will do that thanks!
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@malkia looking forward to your guest post. What region are you from if you don’t mind my asking?
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@Bulanik
In a way, this reminds me of news reports from post-apartheid South Africa. The white Afrikaans-speakers started murdering their families (and committing suicide afterwards) one after the other, when moves were made towards Black-rule. Why? Apparently, a desperate attempt to retain some kind of power – namely over the their families.
Studies of this phenomenon showed:
“…that certain individual characteristics or interactional styles such as emotional immaturity, impulsiveness and poor problem and coping skills interacting with other problematic contextual factors also led to particular feelings of hopelessness and despair…”
On the subject of apartheid there was a programme on at the weekend called ‘Mixed Race Britain – How the world got Mixed up’ which is part of a series of programmses being broadcast by the BBC at the moment including ‘Mixed Brittania’.
The former programme showed how the people of Cape Town – Section 9 (I think that was the number) were ousted from their community. They were all from diverse racial backgrounds and had lived together harmoniously for years and they were forced to leave – the programme maintained that one of the factors was that the authorities did not like this interbreeding virtually on their doorstep as the area was close to government offices. Anyway, it went on to feature this couple who apparently due to their interracial relationship had broken not one, not two but three laws just by being together. They continued their courtship despite this and eventually got married. When they returned to their hometown they were summoned to the local police station where the female was treated with disdain and her german white husband was treated with reverance.
She remarks how the first thing the police officer said to her was ‘and you are blick -correct’ (translation of South African for black lol) – at which she burst out laughing much to their fury.
Fear of the unknown and feeling the need to cover this up therein is a definate precursor to ignorance and hatred. This is coupled with the deep down feelings of insecurity and insignificance and can manifest itself in the way you describe – the need to subjugate and opress others.
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@ JasonBurns
I am from Kenya, East Africa.
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@ Malkia, does that explain why you did not include Kenya when you listed the African countries with the most beautiful women?
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@ Teddy
No, I was just making a point. I think all African nations have beautiful women. But sometimes when you hear Africans or even black people talk about beautiful women from Africa they always mention Ethiopian, Eritrean and Somali women (usually called “Horners” because they are from the Horn of Africa).
Reasons for it is always that they do not look “African”, they have soft hair, longer and slimmer noses etc which are not typical “negro” features, whatever that means.
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Well, with the dominant group of English speakers still being of European stock, typical negro features are not so much features setting the main Sub-Saharan group apart from everybody else, but those features in which the people of Sub-Saharan descent are different from whosoever is at that moment included as “White”. With other words, the Horners are considered more beautiful, because they show greater similarity to Arabs and Europeans, and I have the incliniation to think there is something wrong with that.
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@ Teddy
We agree on this. Is this then a “white is right” mentality? Sure. After all, some of the most arrogant statements and internal racist remarks I have heard are from people from the Horn of Africa (HOA). They, through a lot of mental conditioning, have been led to believe they are superior to other Africans since they do not have typical “negro” features. In fact they call us “kichwa or nywele ngumu” which in Swahili means hard or nappy hair. They have a word for “black Africans” in Somali similar to this. Ironic, because apart from their hair and features they are just as black as we are some even darker. Very sad.
Africa has the diverse looking people and therefore there isn’t any one look that can define Africa. We differ from region to region, each group of people has adapted to their climate differently and their looks emphasize this point.
Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. No one race has the advantage of beauty. But if I was an alien visiting earth, I would probably think the most beautiful women were white because that is the most perpetuated image in the world. Look at the most “Sexiest People Alive”. The further you are from the white beauty standard, the uglier you are.
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@ Bulanik
Thanks!
Do we think that people from the HOA are not “black enough” I am not sure I have gotten a sense of this here. Kenya has a large concentration of Somali, Ehtiopian and Eritrean refugees and citizens. Do we think of them less African? No. Some are light-skinned most by the way are brown skinned chocolate looking people. So they are “black” to us. Its just mental stupidity I think. A lot of conditioning that they are Cushites and not Bantu (taught by the colonialists).
In fact the most light skinned black people are in Southern Africa yet I do not hear remarks on them.
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@ Bulanik
Oh right, I understand now! Thanks for the links! Read them and I have seen similar articles on what the predominantly white fashion industry deems to be “African” looks. HOA women are just as much African as women from Central Africa. I think that is what I was trying to get that across although from a different angle than what you were trying to express. In fact aren’t the Ethiopians one of the oldest peoples of Africa?
TBH, I no longer read Western news stories on the continent or as a matter of fact on POC countries. If i need to know about the Middle East, I look for online newspapers from there, if I want to read about African Americans, I read Black blogs and so on and so on. As has been discussed often here, the history of the world is told through the white lens and truth is it is never flattering or pretty when reflected upon non-white people. We are always portrayed as savages or helpless infants instead of human beings with a wide range of human experiences. We are a stereotype always and those who don’t fit this stereotype are the exception never the rule.
Its always a single story. I truly wonder why. What do you get out of it?
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@ Bulanik
Sorry – I got posts mixed up; this is why I try not to comment when I’m at work! Too many disctractions, LOL
Just wanted to let you know I loved what you stated. Very true and on point. 😀
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Abagond:
Whites partake in racial and cultural theft. They’ve been doing it for a long time, and will continue to do so as long as they maintain political and economic power on a global scale. Blackness=Money…Black Beauty=DNA…Black Sexuality=Pleasure. They’re the 3 building blocks of white interaction with black people. B3 is the foundation of white american, european, arab, and latin culture…Believe It! Black people who don’t know the root get run over. Knowing “The Root” is the key black people…Think?!
Tyrone
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Are genocide (against natives) and slavery (of africans), historically committed by whites, really downplayed in American discourse? This is a serious question, I’m from Canada.
Do you think white people should feel guilty for crimes committed by their ancestors? America was built on the oppression and cultural genocide of natives, and on the slavery and then segregation of blacks. Are most white Americans deluded into believing that the United States has been some kind of “moral beacon” to the world?
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Where were you, when heaven and earth was created.
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Another example of white is right is orator Tim Wise. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a fine speaker. It’s just that we’ve been saying these things for centuries and it gets ignored.
Tim says it, and whites pay attention and ask how they can do their part to end racism.
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@Aaron
Absolutely! White americans take pride in the “good” and “heroic” things that their ancestors have done…and brag about it. I feel that we should own up to and feel guilt. But I don’t think it should stop there…they should educate themselves by listening and learning…then once they are in a place that they are able to make a change then they should!
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I know this may be a little off topic but I have to comment on the picture you used of Angelina Jolie…I have met so many people that have different views on her as a person, her beauty or in some cases people think she is ugly, and her work as an UNHCR Goodwill Ambassador. I have always swayed back and forth with my opinions of her but I have always found her attractive…especially her lips and eyes. Many people have told me that I look like a “thicker version of her” and most times I am not sure how to respond because of that one word “thicker” I was thin and toned in my younger years due to sports and the army but in my late 20s I started becoming “thicker” (another word for fat). Because I live near a military installation I am always running into people that I met in the army. Well…the white acquaintances would always comment how I have gained weight and it hurt so bad to the point that I was afraid to go on post to shop at the commissary for fear of running into someone I once new. I never made the connection, until reading this article, that it was always the white people and never the POC that always focused on my weight as if there was something wrong with me. I know I am not obese but the way they look at me and talk to me is as if I was. I finally overcame my fears and I started going back…but it always lingers and I am cautious when I do go…trying to avoid eye contact with someone I recognize. I have a question…Is weight as important to POC in terms of beauty as it is to white people?
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*sorry for the typos
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Sorry I pressed enter too soon I had another question I forgot to put on earlier…How do POC develop their ideas of beauty as opposed to white people?
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[…] just said something about how the predominantly White casting helped to uphold Hollywood’s “White is Right” brainwashing when some Right Wing evangelical type told me that I was “missing the point” […]
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Maybe it is Hollywood or just the way a country sees its own progress. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:American_progress.JPG
Just keep laying down those lines.
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white is only right if you decide you want to be with a successful working man and live in the suburbs #truth
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@whiteisright
You don’t have to marry a white man to get that. # actual truth
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I know you don’t HAVE to but the odds are in your favor. I never felt this way until it was brought up to me by my Peurto Rican friend who’s mother tells him to find a white guy he told me she said white is right.. I get it. Dont get me wrong, obviously there are alot of white guys who are lazy and suck too. But the mainstream yuppie is not Peurto Rican.
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a tad bit extreme but you’re completely right. I myself (who is not white) have found myself thinking these exact thoughts – why is it that I feel that when a white person does something it’s ok but if a person of color were to do it – it would be wrong?
it’s ridiculous. 2013….education needs to be implemented.
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but to those of you saying to be successful you need to be white – you couldn’t be further from the truth. success has nothing to do with the color of your skin, especially not in a capitalistic society. don’t make excuses, just work hard.
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@myself
white people conducted genocides in the 1800/late 1900s. One example would be Winston Churchill (who your people adore), conducting a starvation-genocide on the people of India – millions were killed. That was in NINETEEN FOURTY SEVEN. not even 100 years ago. Things like that contributed to the slow down of other countries economies. The british empire killed and crippled many nations for their own personal gain. That gain seems to be something people like YOU seem to think you’ve/your ancestors have earned. Other nations are the reason Britain is where it is today – and through that America and Canada are where they are today (since they are of british descent). Even with the gain of wealth through the expense of other nations – Britain, and America are now being shadowed by the same nations they once held captive. Do not think highly of yourself you uneducated twat. just because you have a high opinion of yourself does not make it so for others. Power in other nations is rising quickly, had you ever gotten past high school, you would know these things already.
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I by no means am saying any one race is perfect, I am simply saying that no one is race is perfect.
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WOW!!!!That’s What I Have To Say About This Article..
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There is no such thing as “white English”. You appear to be referring to “American English”. In fact literally every single human who is born in America is capable of speaking American English, and the vast majority of people of all races who were born in America are capable of doing and will indicate that they have some minimally basic level of intelligence by doing so. Harrowingly, a few people chose to refuse to speak English and to use made-up words, extreme aggression, and very bad grammar instead. This choice indicates that they have chosen to join a particular subculture that is known for violence and other horrific things. Of course, if any particular black or white American does not wish to be violent and horiffic, they will also be speaking normal American English since their choice of people to interact with will, in that case, not include that violent group.
Since it is obviously possible for a particular race to inherently for all individuals, contain a specific personality or interest etc., it is also very obviously impossible for “white” Americans to “impose” any culture on any other Americans, other then that of individuals such as if you personally meet a daily chess player and then personally become a daily chess player.
“Basic human decency”, such as not being violent, using basic grammar at almost all times, helping others, arguing logicially, etc., has nothing to do with your race, and if you choose to instead refuse to participate in basic human decency, that is your personal problem and your friends, if any, will not be good ones.
Your narcissiam does not excuse your lack of basic human decency or basic understanding of concepts such as “TV shows exist and everyone can watch them.”
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