No Slappz is a commenter on this blog. I am thinking hard about banning him. On the one hand he says all kinds of brainless, racist things and yet he sticks by the letter of my comment policy: he never says a bad word, calls no one names, etc, like most trolls do. His comments rarely wind up in the moderation queue.
I tried holding an argument with him, but there is no getting through to him: he only believes what he wants to believe. He completely sidesteps or dismisses facts that go against his beliefs. He is so delusional that sometimes I think he must be a patient at a mental hospital.
Matty Boy, on No Slappz’s own blog, put it best:
His failure as a critical thinker is easily summed up in a single sentence. “It is true because I want it to be true.” All evidence to the contrary is to be ignored when no_slappz has already made up his mind. There is no man made component to climate change because no_slappz does not want there to be a man made component. Deregulation is always good because no_slappz’ world would be meaningless if this religious tenet was taken away. Never mind that the high priest of deregulation, Alan Greenspan, has had to admit this cult’s abysmal failure in public. No_slappz is like some poor sap of a Japanese soldier, still stuck on some tiny island in 1950, unaware that the war is over and his side has surrendered.
Some of the stuff No Slappz has said:
- Native Americans were not uprooted from their homelands.
- Success is not affected by how one looks – unless you are a model.
- Philip Roth was wrong when he said his book “The Human Stain” was not about Anatole Broyard.
- Asian Americans do not experience racism – because they are good at mathematics.
- Muslims and blacks are incapable of coming up with great inventions.
- Low black reading and math scores in the New York City public schools has nothing to do with racism.
I disagree with those positions, but there is absolutely nothing wrong in holding any of them – so long as you are willing to seriously and honestly defend them with facts and reasons and not pick and choose the facts that suit you. Or completely sidestep arguments against them – and then act as if you won.
I want to have a comment policy that does not favour one set of ideas over another. I do not mind if people disagree with me. But if they are not serious and just want to use my blog to spam their brainless opinions, well, I cannot go for that. But how do I make that into a rule that is clear and objective?
If most people do not want to ban him, then it will be out of the question. But if most do, then I will think long and hard about it. That is where your comments will be helpful.
Vote here:
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no_slappz suffers from diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain.
Ban his sorry behind, abagond.
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LOL.
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No Slappz is just a troll. Nothing more.
La Reyna
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This is rich. If you think he is not “willing to seriously and honestly defend them [his positions] with facts and reasons and not pick and choose the facts that suit” him, then just about none of your commenters are. If you want to be consistent, you will have to ban most of your commenters, and yourself, too.
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You should call Bellview(is that the name of the mental health institution there?) and ask if there is a patient who fits no_slappzs pathology. If there is, tell them to keep him away from any computers, then sue them for not watching him properly. Their lack of vigilance in regards to his ‘illness’, has caused you to cuss! This has caused you undue stress. Ask for 100 million dollars, that’s USD, Whatever you do, don’t ask for it in Canadian funds even though we have been wavering at parity!
Seriously though, if slappz has caused such anger, do as you see fit. Most of the time it’s like farting in a wind tunnel when responding to him. Yes he is hilarious but he is also disruptive. As I say do what you will. If you decide not to ban him give me one opportunity to cuss him out, LOL!!!
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J said:
“This is rich. If you think he is not “willing to seriously and honestly defend them [his positions] with facts and reasons and not pick and choose the facts that suit” him, then just about none of your commenters are. If you want to be consistent, you will have to ban most of your commenters, and yourself, too.”
Well, striclty speaking you are right. But then let me ask you this: is he no worse than anyone else in that regard? Or does he take it too far? Is there a difference or am I taking an unfair view of him?
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No slapz is a troll and if you ban him, he’ll get a proxy and come back and troll some more.
You do not feed or ban the trolls: what you do is ridicule them or ignore them.
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But then let me ask you this: is he no worse than anyone else in that regard? Or does he take it too far? Is there a difference or am I taking an unfair view of him?
From what I’ve read from him, I fail to see how he could be thought of as a troll. I’m pretty new to this blog, so perhaps I have not seen his worst stuff, but I’ve read most of the conversations you refer to when listing his transgressions, and, if anything, he tends to justify his positions better than most people here (also, I think you mischaracterize some of his positions above). Moreover, he’s funny and a good writer, unlike the actual trolls you have who post the same inane drivel again and again and again. His sin seems to be that he disagrees with you and your followers, not that he is somehow badly behaved.
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I never got what troll means. I have been called a troll on some blogs because when I do make a comment it is usually is in disagreement. Their arguments are usually vacuous to me as mine is to them. I find quite a few blogs only want to be preaching to their choir.
I think one becomes a troll when the response to a post is always identical no matter what the content. If the comments become a broken record I’d say ban them, especially if those comments eat up your hosting space which you are paying for.
What I hate worst is the anonymous commenter, because it is hard to keep track of who’s who.
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I disagree with banning him. I don’t mind having a diversity of opinions, even if I don’t agree with those opinions. Plus having people that disagree forces me to sharpen and refine my stances, as well as provokes me to examine my POV from a deeper level. As long as slappz isn’t attacking anyone personally, just let him be. Besides, what he says is what most whites think anyway but won’t say out loud in public.
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I don’t think Slappz should be banned either. Sure, i don’t agree with his opinions but i don’t begrudge him the right to have his opinion no matter how much they are not backed up by facts, and never wavering from his arguments, which is beyond annoying as i have seen here him causing Abagond to drop the F bomb on his own blog. :-O But since he has not resorted to nasty racist name calling by using the N word and all sorts of other atrocious racial slurs that i have seen come from other commenters in the past, I tend to just skim past anything he has to say now anyway. So he is not affecting me in any way on this blog. But his long dissertations can be quite disruptive to the flow of many a post.
He has become quite the butt of jokes on here now. 😛
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i don’t know much about this slappz guy but reading what he says, the man needs therapy. but i think you shouldn’t ban him unless he starts to harass and cuss people out like others have done. i say ignore him because eventually he’ll go away.
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J said:
“From what I’ve read from him, I fail to see how he could be thought of as a troll.”
Quite easily! He’s very disruptive, like all trolls!
J said:
I’m pretty new to this blog, so perhaps I have not seen his worst stuff, but I’ve read most of the conversations you refer to when listing his transgressions, and, if anything, he tends to justify his positions better than most people here (also, I think you mischaracterize some of his positions above).
How!? He shows no figures or facts at all! What’s worse he denies basic reality then uses futile justifications for his views!
Example – When me and no_slappz were discussing boxing! He said “there are no white heavyweight world champions!”
I said “What about the Klitschko brothers then?”
He said “The Klitschko brothers aren’t world champions!” (WTF?)
I said “They have 3 of the 4 heavyweight championship belts!”
He said “But they won them against has beens” “Most of the greatest boxers have been black!” “You’re just in denial of reality!” (WTF!)
When Abagond erased what we were discussing he said, “You only erased what were talking about because I was winning the argument!”
Don’t you think that is just a little asinine! Notice how he didn’t disprove anything what I said!
J said:
“Moreover, he’s funny and a good writer, unlike the actual trolls you have who post the same inane drivel again and again and again.”
Oh but he does! He usually rounds off with some negative against blacks and muslims! Totally avoiding the point of discussion! Typical trollish behaviour!
I admit he’s a good writer but then again who says trolls can’t be good writers!
He’s about as funny as a heart attack!
J said:
“His sin seems to be that he disagrees with you and your followers, not that he is somehow badly behaved.”
People on this site disagree with eachother and abagond all the time!
Examples – islandgirl disagrees with abagond about the women’s body!
Uncle Milton disagreed with abagond a lot as well!
I disagree with him on democracy and monarchs (he didn’t like the last shah of Iran!)
Personally I would love for him to just disappear but after thinking it through I don’t think he should be banned!
However we should all ridicule him, no matter what he says!
The Ridiculous should be ridiculed!
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abagond, you wrote:
“No Slappz is a commenter on this blog. I am thinking hard about banning him. On the one hand he says all kinds of brainless, racist things and yet he sticks by the letter of my comment policy: he never says a bad word, calls no one names…”
First, EVERTHING I write reflects easily checked facts. My views show my perspective, NOT an uninformed opinion.
If you want to declare that credible sociological work focused on blacks is “brainless” and “racist”, you can. But you are disputing statements that are well documented by respected sources. Thus, you engage in a modified form of ad hominem assaults, which, show only that you have a lot less knowledge than you think.
It’s amusing to see a post about Anatole Broyard here and further see that I may be the only commenter who has actually read some of his fiction. “What the Cystoscope Said.”
You wrote:
I tried holding an argument with him, but there is no getting through to him: he only believes what he wants to believe. He completely sidesteps or dismisses facts that go against his beliefs.”
In other words, your rebuttal to my comments was weak, but you are incapable of recognizing the weakness of your own arguments. Instead, you declare it is me who is thick-headed and lacking understanding. Nice try.
Your statement reveals that you believe you are right simply because you say so. The “facts” do not support you, and not all facts are equal.
If you want to challenge any comment of mine, do so. But be specific in your challenge. Most challenges here amount to some broad dismissal of my overall comments rather than a demand for support for what I’ve written.
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vindicator, you wrote:
“Example – When me and no_slappz were discussing boxing! He said “there are no white heavyweight world champions!”
I said “What about the Klitschko brothers then?”
In terms of the boxing Hall of Fame, one of the Klitschko brothers might rank near the bottom of the Top Ten Heavyweights. The other brother is way down the list. He does not rate.
As I said, both of them made careers of fighting second-rate boxers.
Moreover, the boxing world has the bad habit of creating new organizations that each claim to represent the best in boxing. Thus, some of their titles mean little when it comes to judging true talent.
Here’s a challenge for you. Instead of telling me I am wrong, check with true boxing authorities for their rankings of the best boxers in history. You will see that my comments are in line with their assessments. If Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson and the Klitschko brothers were all in their prime and they get into the ring with each other, Ali and Tyson would win.
Thus, we are back to my original position — blacks dominate boxing. And in the last decade, only two white heavyweight fighters were able to climb the boxing pyramid to make a BRIEF appearance near the top.
Regarding the future — Is there any reason to think we will see a boxing world where whites and blacks are equally successful? No. It won’t even be close. Maybe the Klitschkos will be the last white fighters to get anywhere near the top.
However, no one in the white world is lamenting the absence of whites among boxing champions. We prefer to see the best competitors. Race is irrelevant.
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abagond, you copied:
“His failure as a critical thinker is easily summed up in a single sentence. “It is true because I want it to be true.””
As always, I can provide credible support for any statement I make. The above claim is the standard rebuttal from people who themselves follow the “I Want It To Be True” policy.
YOu copied:
“All evidence to the contrary is to be ignored when no_slappz has already made up his mind. There is no man made component to climate change because no_slappz does not want there to be a man made component. ”
Nevermind that I did not make the preceding claim, but I do see Global Warming as a Hoax. However, the fury over Global Warming has disappeared since it was revealed that Global Warming scientists have been fabricating data AND we are in a cold spell that scientists are now claiming is part of a period of Global Cooling.
Matty Boy, the person who challenged me with the statements you posted, is a liberal thinker who gets lost in the woods when he departs from his area of expertise, which is mathematics.
You copied matty boy’s statement:
“Deregulation is always good because no_slappz’ world would be meaningless if this religious tenet was taken away. Never mind that the high priest of deregulation, Alan Greenspan, has had to admit this cult’s abysmal failure in public.”
Again, matty boy shows how little he knows. In this case he misinterprets Greenspan’s statements. However, for anyone willing to read Ben Bernanke’s statements on the causes of our Credit Crisis, those readers will learn that borrowers went on a binge when Congress passed laws empowering Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to buy mortgages of lower and lower quality.
It was not “deregulation” per se, that was a problem. It was the fact that the government assumed the RISK of deregulation. If regulated industries are “deregulated”, they should bear the risk of their new freedoms. But, in its zeal to increase home ownership, the government allowed lenders to give loans to anyone, regardless of downpayment, credit history or job security. Then the government assumed the risk — and discovered that buying real estate with no money down is real estate speculation.
When speculators lose, the walk away, and that is what the latest round of real estate speculators did. But It could not have happened if the government had not assumed the risk of default.
However, the realities are beyond matty boy’s understanding.
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ao, you wrote:
“Sure, i don’t agree with his opinions but i don’t begrudge him the right to have his opinion no matter how much they are not backed up by facts…”
Opinions not backed up by facts? Really? For example…
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either ban the nut or delete his comments that are useless and trashy and hate mongering or fake or whatever…
I don’t like the poll because it allows outsiders to post and we all saw what happened with the last poll…
i say go with what people say in the comments rather than just the poll…
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no_slappz is almost amusing in a sad way. alwaysright101 is right. Go with the comments.
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NS is properly a “shill” in the troll bestiary. Here’s what Trollore says about shills:
A shill is one who posts messages as a spokesperson or “front” for an unseen group or organization, usually at odds to the topics being discussed.
Remember, shills are creatures of darkness, and their enemy is the light. Shills can only succeed as far as they fool people, a shill is by definition an agent of deception, similar to a con artist, but acting on a target market instead of individuals.
Awareness of shills is a first defense against shills. Shills unmasked are no longer shills, no longer effective.
In the case of shills the best method is – instead – to boldly counterattack: stalk them (sometime a simple reversing of their language patterns will be enough) and debunk them. If you can individuate (or even suspect, heheh) the group/industry they have been working for, they are dead and everything they have damaged will be reversed 🙂
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Thaddeus Blanchette,
Its not hard to figure out what group no_slappz represents.
He’s a conservative with a libertarian bent as I see it.
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“I said I wondered why “J” said ANA can comment on social sciences on the rootedness post when Ana is supposed to be Thaddeus-Blanchette’s wife.”
That was not me, but rather another commenter who calls himself J. Compare the face icons.
To avoid further confusion, I will change my user name to JACK, if that’s okay.
Jack
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Thaddeus Blanchette,
I think one becomes a troll only when they don’t defend their view.
Abagond,
If you don’t have people like no_slappz visit a site like this, you will not know what kind of thinking there is out there. These people vote and can effect the political landscape. You would be able to understand how a Sarah Palin can be considered seriously as a presidential candidate. In the situation of the Old South, Negroes always knew what white folks were thinking. (Although I think no_slappz is black)
I have dove into racist sites to argue with them, a where as I’ve been considered a troll. I do it because I cannot let them think that a have safe place to spew their hate, bigotry and irrationality. Not that I would change minds, but they do have to be called out. I do try to do it with out the trite arguments they expect. No PC for them either.
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Last night when I lost my cool and used the f-word, I was this close to banning him. I am so glad I did this instead. So much good advice! This is much better than half-talking about it on other threads.
As I write this, the vote for No Slappz staying is leading by three votes. But I agree with Always Right that it is safer to go by the comments since polls can be manipulated. If No Slappz, for example, emailed his friends about this post, they would come here and naturally tend to vote for him.
Still, I never dreamed the vote would be this close. I thought it would be an 80-20 vote one way or the other, not a 55-45 sort of vote.
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Abagond quoted:
Some of the stuff No_ Slappz has said:
1) Native Americans were not uprooted from their homelands.
2) Success is not affected by how one looks – unless you are a model.
3) Philip Roth was wrong when he said his book “The Human Stain” was not about Anatole Broyard.
4) Asian Americans do not experience racism – because they are good at mathematics.
5) Muslims and blacks are incapable of coming up with great inventions.
6) Low black reading and math scores in the New York City public schools has nothing to do with racism.
Menelik responds:
if the gentleman in question is so spectacularly wrong on the above (and other) matters then why not allow him to continue to demonstrate his real or alleged ignorence? What have you got to lose?
I agree that some posters here are really very irritating (and menacing) as they also make false claims and accusations (as well as virtual threats of violence!) but Abagond has NOT sought to censor or ban them (their are two women that come readily to mind).
I believe that one should be free to challenge points of view we do not agree with. It’s called “freedom of speech”, right? And your country is called the United States of America NOT the Peoples Republic of China.
Let battle commence, I say!
Menelik Charles
London England
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No Slappz said:
“so, you wrote:
“Sure, i don’t agree with his opinions but i don’t begrudge him the right to have his opinion no matter how much they are not backed up by facts…”
Opinions not backed up by facts? Really? For example…”
“Begrudge” is not a word I use, so I know you misquoted me. I also capitalize the word “I”. Here is what I said:
“I disagree with those positions, but there is absolutely nothing wrong in holding any of them – so long as you are willing to seriously and honestly defend them with facts and reasons and not pick and choose the facts that suit you. Or completely sidestep arguments against them – and then act as if you won.”
It is not the lack of facts, it is your dishonest use of them. When I read what Matty Boy wrote I laughed and laughed because he hit the nail on the head.
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No Slappz:
Oh, sorry: I see now that you were quoting AO. My apologies.
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On a lighter note I wonder if this is a case of Slappz-stick comedy ha ha…
Sorry back to the polls
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I voted to ban no_slappz (though I never respond to his posts, because I agree with TB’s suggestion to ignore suspected trolls), but maybe rather than banning him, Abagond, you can add something to the comment policy about banning/warning commenters who post the same thing repeatedly. I’m not talking about blatant spamming (because that’s already banned), but for situations like this:
Person A: “The quick, brown fox…”
Person B: “Well, [counterpoint]…”
Person A: “The brown, quick fox…”
If someone’s nature of defense is just to repeat the original point, it’s reasonable to assume that he is only interested in stirring up trouble/derailing the thread.
You could also make a point for originality: I’ve read blogs where saying something that’s evident or already implied by the post (“The sky is blue.”) can get your posts deleted.
No_slappz,
For someone who claims to have so much scientific backing for his opinions, you certainly don’t provide any links to these “facts”. I don’t think one has to link everything upon first comment submission (that would be tedious), but if someone challenges you, wouldn’t the logical thing to do be to provide your sources? I find it weird that you expect people to just believe everything you say just because you typed it up or say you “read” it. I read that there’s a special school for young wizards in the middle of England–does that make it true?
I think you would benefit from reading any of the articles on this page: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&source=hp&q=achievement%20gap&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=ws
You’ll find that gaps in Black/White achievement span class levels, age, and family income, which leaves race as the underlying factor in variability. That doesn’t make it the only factor (obviously the other things I listed play a role), but when you control for other variables, there’s still a difference. You can find similar information on occupational and health disparities, if you are interested in those as well.
I’ve done research and other work related to educational disparities, so I’d be happy to discuss this with you, if you are interested in learning more about the knowledge base.
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Abagond,
no-Slappz appears to be a very insecure person. It bothers him that racist White people and their influence is declining worldwide…
His rantings are always dissproven by reasearch on the internet and show a dark side of blatant racism and absolute disbelief that people of African descent(as well as Asians/Indians) are becoming more richer and powerful.
He must have been frothing at the mouth when Obama became President!!
He would also lose sleep if he ever found out that Queen Elizabeth had ancestors of African decent as well. lol…
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on Sun 17 Jan 2010 at 15:39:21 J
“I said I wondered why “J” said ANA can comment on social sciences on the rootedness post when Ana is supposed to be Thaddeus-Blanchette’s wife.”
That was not me, but rather another commenter who calls himself J. Compare the face icons.
To avoid further confusion, I will change my user name to JACK, if that’s okay.
Jack
Hi J or is it Jack
Just to say I believe you was here before me. So if anyone should change their names in these circumstances then
it is me.
So I will end my post (when I remember) with “Jay”…if that is alright with you??
What do you think??
Maybe Abagond might be able to help us here in this respect.
Jay
Sorry again…but back to the polls
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Thaddeus:
Wow, thank you for that link about trolls!
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J (Jack?),
This is off topic too, but I think of the Hambone, where you slap your thighs or other parts of your body to a rhythm and/or sing. Very popular when I was a child.
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no slappz said:
Not to get off the post topic, but given that whites dominate MMA by far, I don’t think there’s any reason to think that boxing is out of reach.
MMA is largely composed of boxing, but allows the use of kicks, grappling and take downs as well. So why would blacks dominate boxing, but whites dominate MMA? I don’t think there’s any biological explanation for that. The physical demands of both sports are too similar.
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Banish won’t prevent him from commenting, he will find another way to post.
He should just be ignored, same way we do with other day-to-day trolls.
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thaddeus blanchette, you advised
“READ: http://www.searchlores.org/trolls.htm”
The best part of the very old explicaton of “trolls” is its conceptual similarity to the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion.”
However, it is really just a humorous piece, and, if you understood it, you would see it is a work of irony. At the the time, your belief in it shows how easy it is to convince you that what you believe is Right, rather than simply what you believe.
You have been sucked into one of the Urban Legends of the Internet. When you encounter someone on the Internet with views that infuriate you, the troll story allows you to believe you can judge that person based on some goofy pseudo-scientific parade of nonsense.
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J/Jay, perhaps I was here first, but it doesn’t matter. I’ll post as Jack from now on.
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@ Jasmin
“I find it weird that you expect people to just believe everything you say just because you typed it up or say you “read” it. I read that there’s a special school for young wizards in the middle of England–does that make it true?”
– I feel like I have heard this somewhere. But I still laughed when I read it. Good one.
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tulio, you wrote:
“So why would blacks dominate boxing, but whites dominate MMA? I don’t think there’s any biological explanation for that. The physical demands of both sports are too similar.”
Your reasoning goes nowhere. The same could have been said about tennis or golf a few years ago.
Why not examine the reasons blacks and whites get into various sports?
I believe your observation about white success in MMA is correct. But I do not have an explanation. However, my sense is this: blacks have yet to put serious effort into the competition. AND there is probably no money to be made.
I will bet the big names in the field make relatively little money, meanwhile they take serious beatings for the money they make. Furthermore, the organizations that might prepare them to compete in MMA are probably less visible in many black neighborhoods. Like tennis and golf.
Frankly, I expect to see a black male player dominate tennis like Tiger Woods has dominated golf. The Williams sisters long ago proved themselves in women’s tennis.
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grena, you wrote:
“His rantings are always dissproven by reasearch on the internet…”
Oh. Well, as we know, if a thought is posted on the Internet, it is a certified fact. That aside, what have I written that has been disproven”
You wrote:
“…a dark side of blatant racism and absolute disbelief that people of African descent(as well as Asians/Indians) are becoming more richer and powerful.”
As a counter to the claims of racism that rule here, I have stated many times that blacks are prospering and becoming multimillionaires through sports and entertainment. If racism were as rampant as many here claim, then the actual black prosperity in the US today would not exist. It would be an impossible dream.
But reality undermines the cries of racism.
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Blacks don’t dominate in either tennis or golf. Woods is more Asian than black, and I can’t think of any other prominent tennis players than the Williams sisters. 2 women don’t make a trend.
Yes, there is much less money to be made in pro MMA than in pro boxing. However, the prize money does not explain why blacks dominate boxing while whites dominate MMA.
There are such blacks, such as Anderson Silva for example who some argue is the best pound for pound mixed martial artist in the world. But still, most the champs are either white(when not American often Russian or E. European) or Brazilian.
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jasmin,
I read the following:
Click to access closing%20the%20gap.pdf
It’s nothing but a restatement of some obvious facts and some dubious claims.
When kids grow up amid poverty, illegitimacy, fatherlessness, substance abuse, violence and low academic achievement, they bring all that to school with them. Schools and teachers are unlikely to overcome the impact of these social pathologies. In this way, race is not a factor.
But in NY City, where the public school system has a special competitive set of schools within it, there are very few black and hispanic students in those special schools.
There are 1.1 million kids in the NY City public school system. Thirty-five percent are black, 35% are hispanic, 14% are white, 14% are asian, and 2% are other. The top competitive schools are overwhelmingly asian and white. Kids get into these special schools based on merit — they take an entrance exam. The results speak for themselves.
Money plays a very small role. Poor kids can get all the free help they need. Meanwhile, poor non-English-speaking asians arrive in the US and their kids climb rapidly up the academic ladder.
It’s all about culture — mainly family culture.
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tulio,
Woods and the Williams sisters have dominated their sports.
But aside from them, there are few blacks in either sport. However, their enormous record-setting success shows that the lack of blacks has no connection to potential success.
For a player to reach professional quality, golf and tennis require a setting that is economically beyond the reach of most blacks. Hence, we have barely seen the tip of the iceberg.
Basketball and boxing, well, that’s a different story. Have pros in either sport ever come from affluent suburban backgrounds?
Anyway, I have no doubt that if blacks were to enter the MMA they would eventually dominate the ranks. Meanwhile, the rare black competitor will probably rise to the top.
The last area of sports with little black participation is swimming. Again, another country-club sport that offers no professional opportunities unless you win the Olympics and get paid to endorse products.
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“But aside from them, there are few blacks in either sport. However, their enormous record-setting success shows that the lack of blacks has no connection to potential success.”
Yet, when someone mentions black family members that have advanced degrees in science, you are quick to point out that they are exceptions and it speaks nothing to black potential.
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tulio, you wrote:
“Yet, when someone mentions black family members that have advanced degrees in science, you are quick to point out that they are exceptions…”
True. I have stated the preceding. Because it is true.
You then added:
“…and it speaks nothing to black potential.”
Never. Never said that. Never. But you added it anyway.
What caused you to include statements I’ve never made?
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Haha! That’s hilarious. All those millions of Middle Class to rich Blacks in America are rich thru mostly sports and entertainment???? Again totally hilarious statement!! Being Black, i’ve met alot of wealthy-middle class Blacks in America and Uk and NONE of them were in the entertainment business. Slappz perhaps needs to get out more and stop watching so much TV!!! Did you keep a straight face while you were typing that statement?
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I am not sure I can vote here…
First of all, I stopped reading his posts a while ago. I just ignore them. By doing that, I am not missing anything, and I am not wasting my time on such an individual.
On the other hand, if he really wants to come back and post his trolling messages, he’ll find a way. Banning often encourages trolls and makes them look more important than they really are. Ignoring always works much better, in my opinion.
Also, I am generally against banning. Let them vomit whatever s…t they want, if they’re doing it within comment policy. It’s more realistic, at least to me, to see what kind of freaks are there.
But then again, I won’t vote for him to stay. He’s not doing anything to help the discussion. He doesn’t even insult in an original way. Nobody needs him here. If he gets banned, I won’t miss him, that’s for sure. I don’t think I’ll even notice his absence (like I said, I rarely read his posts).
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angel,
You wrote:
“All those millions of Middle Class to rich Blacks in America are rich thru mostly sports and entertainment????”
By definition, a middle-class person is not rich.
As for those blacks who are wealthy, believe what you want, but the majority got that way through sports and/or entertainment.
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i agree with thaddeus blanchette ignore the trolls, i don’t even pay attention to no slapz to be honest. let him post stuff just so he can see that no one really cares about his opinions
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No Slappz said, talking about the lack of blacks in country-club sports like tennis and golf despite the world-famous success of Woods and the Williams sisters:
“But aside from them, there are few blacks in either sport. However, their enormous record-setting success shows that the lack of blacks has no connection to potential success.”
Then Tulio said:
“Yet, when someone mentions black family members that have advanced degrees in science, you are quick to point out that they are exceptions and it speaks nothing to black potential.”
LOL. That is just what I was thinking too!
You see it here:
Lynette says:
“Yes my father received his doctorate in the United States. He received his doctorate at SUNY, Binghamton. Also, I know more than five or six Blacks with doctorates in the sciences. You fail to realize that I have lived among Blacks in academia all of my life, but I realize there is no getting through to you.”
Then No Slappz, who has been telling us that there are no or hardly no black PhDs in science because it is too hard for them, dismisses what Lynette says by saying this:
“Oh. Does that mean people who have not lived through various experiences cannot hold a valid view?
If you believe what you wrote, you believe humans must forget everything they think they know about the history of man.
Or did you mean that because you have lived among black academics, you expect to see black academics everywhere you look?
In other words, adaptive expectations. It’s sunny today, therefore it will be sunny tomorrow.”
Still stuck in his delusions about how black people are.
When blacks do well in sports, they show potential. When they do well in science, well, we must not notice that.
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I point this out because it is just the kind of thing he does.
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i don’t even pay attention to no slapz to be honest.
Same.
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No_slappz said:
“There are 1.1 million kids in the NY City public school system. Thirty-five percent are black, 35% are hispanic, 14% are white, 14% are asian, and 2% are other. The top competitive schools are overwhelmingly asian and white. Kids get into these special schools based on merit — they take an entrance exam. The results speak for themselves.”
Jasmin says:
I’m sure you realize that these tests don’t measure what they claim to and correlate more with family wealth than actual intelligence? Thus, the only thing the results show is that wealthy people do better on a given test. So, the content of the test doesn’t correlate with what the text purports to measure (intelligence).
I would also disagree with you (to an extent) about culture because that theory lacks a crucial factor: socialized expectations. If I expect you to do poorly, you will (per my standards), because I will attend to what you’ve done wrong and ignore what you’ve done right. Low expectations create self-fulfilling prophecies, which create the statistics you’ve mentioned.
One thing I think you are missing (and the reason this poll even exists, I suspect) is that differences in whatever area (I’ll continue with the educational disparities theme) are not a result of belonging to a given race. Therefore, the first of the following two statements is true, while the second is false:
1. “Fewer Blacks than Whites have PhDs.”
2. “Fewer Blacks than Whites have PhDs because they are Black.”
I think in these discussions, people say the former while assuming the latter, which makes no sense given what we know about the genetic basis for race (i.e, the greater differences within races than between them). If #2 was true, belonging to X race would mean you had A trait (by necessity) while belonging to Y race would mean you lacked A trait (by necessity) because the classifications would signify discrete categories. (For now I’m going to ignore the social indicators of race, which would make #2 true in certain instances).
Now let’s go back to culture. Culture, like race is not a discrete category either, and in addition it is acquired, not assigned at birth. In a sense, any person can adopt any culture and ascribe to its memes. So, we would expect that a White person raised in a culture of illegitimacy, for instance, would experience the same negative effects as a Black person raised in the same culture. Race, in the biological sense, cannot supercede the nature of a culture.
If the focus of your comments is some variation of #1, then you are correct and within your rights, though you don’t really bring anything to the conversation. The fact that the sky is blue is obvious and insignificant on its own; why it is blue is what matters. If the focus of your comments is some variation of #2, then that probably falls in the troll category, because that logic flies in the face of relatively simple science.
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no slappz said:
I honestly don’t know if that’s the case or not, I’ve never looked into it, but are you basing this on stereotypes or data? Is this just like you claiming that most blacks get doctorates in black history and social studies?
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No_ Slappz
For a player to reach professional quality, golf and tennis require a setting that is economically beyond the reach of most blacks. Hence, we have barely seen the tip of the iceberg.
Basketball and boxing, well, that’s a different story. Have pros in either sport ever come from affluent suburban backgrounds?
Menelik answers:
I believe the (white) Klitschko brothers, who dominate heavyweight boxing, are both doctors of sports science and grew up in a solid middle-class family. See here:
http://www.klitschko.com/eng/biography.html
Menelik Charles
London England
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no_slappz Sun 17 Jan 2010 at 12:29:29
“Thus, we are back to my original position — blacks dominate boxing. And in the last decade, only two white heavyweight fighters were able to climb the boxing pyramid to make a BRIEF appearance near the top.
Regarding the future — Is there any reason to think we will see a boxing world where whites and blacks are equally successful? No. It won’t even be close. Maybe the Klitschkos will be the last white fighters to get anywhere near the top.”
Basing on your “facts” this is my conclusion:
->Blacks success in that sport is to whites unsuccess in it as whites(and asians) success in school is to blacks unsuccess there.
“However, no one in the white world is lamenting the absence of whites among boxing champions. We prefer to see the best competitors. Race is irrelevant”
Since “no one in the white world is lamenting the absence of whites among boxing champions ” blacks should not complain of unsuccess in school as well.
That’s just the way it should be, right?
Perhaps i’m misunderstanding your point? But basing on your “facts” all I can say:
Abagond pleeease ban him! Ignore my previous comment. He is excessivly, overwhelmingly, frustratingly IRRITATING.
And if he come back with any other avatar ban him again, again and again.
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@D&nni:
This post is the funniest thing I’ve read today. LOL! Thanks D&nni for making me smile. 😀
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D&nni, lol.
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i think he shouldn’t be banned as long as he stick to rules, and who knows he may loosen up by time .you are given him the chance to be exposed to other opinions. just ignore him.
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abagond,
I’ll try to end your confusion. You copied a few of my statements and followed the statements from others
You posted:
“No Slappz said, talking about the lack of blacks in country-club sports like tennis and golf despite the world-famous success of Woods and the Williams sisters:
“But aside from them, there are few blacks in either sport. However, their enormous record-setting success shows that the lack of blacks has no connection to potential success.”
Then Tulio said:
“Yet, when someone mentions black family members that have advanced degrees in science, you are quick to point out that they are exceptions and it speaks nothing to black potential.”
abagond, in the history of American sports blacks have proven their talents. In fact, in every sport in which blacks participate, they quickly climb to the top. Until the Williams sisters and Tiger Woods arrived, tennis and golf were two sports with limited black participation. As I said, the reason for the lack of black participation in those two sports is financial.
We know the lack of participation has no connection to a lack of skills on the part of blacks. After Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier in baseball, blacks began accumulating stellar records. Thus, when it comes to athletics, once the door is open and blacks become involved, they rise to the top.
abagond, you then went on to compare the experience of blacks in athletics with blacks getting advanced degrees. Different situation. Very different.
You copied:
“Lynette says: “Yes my father received his doctorate in the United States. He received his doctorate at SUNY, Binghamton. Also, I know more than five or six Blacks with doctorates in the sciences. You fail to realize that I have lived among Blacks in academia all of my life, but I realize there is no getting through to you.”
Then No Slappz, who has been telling us that there are no or hardly no black PhDs in science because it is too hard for them, dismisses what Lynette says by saying this:
“Oh. Does that mean people who have not lived through various experiences cannot hold a valid view? If you believe what you wrote, you believe humans must forget everything they think they know about the history of man…Or did you mean that because you have lived among black academics, you expect to see black academics everywhere you look?…In other words, adaptive expectations. It’s sunny today, therefore it will be sunny tomorrow.”
I was responding to Lynette’s following comment:
“You fail to realize that I have lived among Blacks in academia all of my life…”
In other words, she was attempting to support her position by stating the people in her family circle are black academics — as if that matters.
Or, it only matters to the degree that it has colored her view of the larger picture. If she knows only black academics, then she is seeming to say that she believes black academics are more numerous than they really are.
Anyway, the meritocracy of sports is different from the meritocracy of academics.
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d&nni, you wrote:
“Since “no one in the white world is lamenting the absence of whites among boxing champions ” blacks should not complain of unsuccess in school as well.
That’s just the way it should be, right?”
It is possible you were attempting to be funny. But I think you believe you were illustrating some point with some weird form of logic.
Let me be clear. Blacks are proving they are better at most sports than whites.
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Jasmin says:
“I’m sure you realize that these tests don’t measure what they claim to and correlate more with family wealth than actual intelligence?”
Nonsense. I know what’s on these tests and I know who gets the high scores and why they get them. You can find plenty of examples of asian kids whose non-English-speaking familes arrived recently in the US.
They are poor families. But they put a very high priority on education and their kids excel.
Chinatown in NY City has lots and lots of poor residents. Nevertheless, the public schools serving Chinatown post excellent results.
But good results among poor kids are found all over the city. However, by junior high, black and hispanic students lose ground and few get into the best of the competitive high schools. Money has nothing to do with it.
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The poll now has 75 votes with 63% voting in favour of banning No Slappz – a surprising turn given that nine hours ago he was slightly in the lead. I will let it go to 100 votes or, in case of a tie, 101.
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You folks realize that No Slapz is creaming his crusty little Oshkosh B’Gosh’s due to all the attention he’s getting from this one thread?
We all realize the dude likes hearing himself talk and that he makes inflamatory statements just to waste peoples’ time.
So the time has come to ignore and/or poke fingers at the troll, people.
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No_slappz,
What does knowing what’s on a test have to do with whether the test is valid or not? (I’m using the scientific definition of validity, which is the degree to which a construct measures what it is supposed to measure.) Standardized tests in school positively correlate with wealth, not intelligence. That means that there is a demonstrable association between the test content and wealth, not that one cannot succeed on the test without being wealthy, nor that being wealthy means you will necessarily do well on the test. The trademark example: Higher temperatures are positively correlated with ice cream sales. Does that mean hot weather causes people to buy ice cream? Do you see the flaw in the logic?
“You can find plenty of examples of Asian kids…” is supposed to be solid evidence, but Lynette’s claim about being in an academic family is just anecdotal…pot, meet kettle.
I think you should read up a bit more on statistics, since you vacillate between random numbers and unspecified anecdotes. (How many Asian kids is plenty, by the way?)
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My “weird” logic was based on your previous comments about (most) black people having less education level than whites and their success in sports.
ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE (you are not a loved person!).
May God bless you!
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That previous comment was for no_slappz.
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Thaddeus said:
“You folks realize that No Slapz is creaming his crusty little Oshkosh B’Gosh’s due to all the attention he’s getting from this one thread?”
LMAO.
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that is so gross thaddeus! but made laugh out loud.
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Abagond,
I know you read the Bible. There is a scripture..”Do not throw your pearls before swine”
and “Bad associations spoil useful habits”
Your blog is so informative and too precious to let disruptive people let loose solely with the goal of trying to make Black people look inferior.
Racist White people for centuries have distorted things (like smashing the African features off of ancient Egypt statues) in order to make themselves look good.
Slappz serves no purpose except to do the same. if that means moderating every comment then DO IT! Racist Whites filter and rearrangeinformation in order to make us look bad for centuries. It’s time we redress the imbalance with facts and upbuiding articles like yours.
In the end, God created us and sees us all as EQUALS!! One race is not better than the other. But in the end, he guarantees divine punishment to those who have oppressed the weak and the vulnerable.
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I say ban him, all he does is talk about how inferior blacks are to whites on here and tries to do on Stuff white people do but Macon D deletes everything he types lol.
I’m sure sites like stormfront and niggermania will be more than happy to welcome him with open arms. And the people on his own blog would be happy that he has more time to type up his whimsical little musings.
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The poll now has 75 votes with 63% voting in favour of banning No Slappz – a surprising turn given that nine hours ago he was slightly in the lead.
They must have read his comments here and it helped them to decide. 😀
I have to agree with Ellen, on second thought. I am an administrator on a forum with thousands of members and our response to trolls is immediate banning. We have a nicely run forum because of this and our members love it because we keep it troll/hostility-free. If trolls try to sign up again with another username, we ban them again. Eventually they get tired of it and move on.
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I have to admit that I didn’t read all 95 comments. But I say let No-slapz stay. No-slapz has the right to think whatever he wants and be able to say it! We may feel its stupid or not well thought out, but if no-slapz is following the rules, then let him stay. We black folks need to be able to stand up straight even when a racist is in our midst. We don’t have to become undone just because he has racist rhethoric to spout. After all, we know what our truth is! Plus he’s an interesting counterbalance if he’s a racist. Well maybe not a counterbalance. Slightly skewed.
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Beautifully said!
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jasmin, you wrote:
“What does knowing what’s on a test have to do with whether the test is valid or not? (I’m using the scientific definition of validity, which is the degree to which a construct measures what it is supposed to measure.)”
Math tests in the early grades start with questions as simple as 2 + 2 = ? There is no bias or lack of “validity” in math tests. If a student cannot answer a question, he simply does not know how to perform the needed operations. But math is math — the universal language.
You wrote:
“Standardized tests in school positively correlate with wealth, not intelligence.”
Nonsense. If your statement were true, the kids from the richest families would get the highest SAT scores. They don’t. As a group, asians get the highest scores, and plenty of them are poor.
You wrote:
“That means that there is a demonstrable association between the test content and wealth, not that one cannot succeed on the test without being wealthy, nor that being wealthy means you will necessarily do well on the test.”
Students who live with illegitimacy, fatherlessness, substance abuse, violence, parents/siblings with low academic achievement and joblessness will suffer the effects and perform less well in school.
Thus, it can be said that a living environment that is relatively free of those social pathologies forms the base-line for a setting that allows academic success. But an environment free of social pathologies is NOT equivalent to Wealth.
You wrote:
“The trademark example: Higher temperatures are positively correlated with ice cream sales. Does that mean hot weather causes people to buy ice cream? Do you see the flaw in the logic?”
Your example is so vague that it has no meaning. What do you think it means?
You wrote:
““You can find plenty of examples of Asian kids…” is supposed to be solid evidence, but Lynette’s claim about being in an academic family is just anecdotal…pot, meet kettle…”
You erroneously connected to unrelated statements.
You wrote:
“I think you should read up a bit more on statistics, since you vacillate between random numbers and unspecified anecdotes.”
None of my statements using statistics has been in error.
You asked:
“(How many Asian kids is plenty, by the way?).”
There are 150,000 asian students in NY City. Their standardized test scores are the highest of all students in the NY City public school system, which serves 1,050,000 students. Furthermore, they lead when it comes to getting into the school programs for gifted students and for getting into the top competitive high schools, for which students must take a tough entrance exam.
Money is NOT the key.
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Just to clarify I don’t think either of them should be banned.
But if you are going to ban one offensive person then ban other offensive people too.
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abagond,
It would be helpful if is possible to number each comment. It is very hard when you come back to a site to find where you left off.
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lucia, you wrote:
“I find no slappzs view’s beyond disgusting …”
Well, it seems you want to kill the messenger rather than reflect on the work of the credible sources behind every comment I’ve made.
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The poll is now closed. After 101 votes 67 voted in favour of banning No Slappz, 34 voted against. Now I must carefully think whether it is wise to ban him.
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I’m against censorship on the basis of what someone says. If he’s not actually breaking any rules or harassing anyone, I don’t see the point. I’m not threatened by a marketplace of ideas, even some that I may not agree with. If someone is wrong, they can be shown to be wrong. If someone is annoying, the best censorship is to simply skip their posts. I won’t name any names, but there is one individual whose posts I don’t even bother to read when I see her handle, it’s a waste of time. The same can be done with slappz. If he’s intentionally being disruptive for the fun of doing so, then that’s another story. If he’s just here to debate against ideological adversaries, what’s the problem? I think we have enough firepower here to deal with him. Plus like I said earlier, he isn’t saying anything that [many if not most]whites don’t think already.
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i say ban him, we deal with enough racists in real life…nothing worse than when the racists follow you online with their diatribe….
one can only take so much crap.
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No_slappz,
Like I said, until you read up on the difference between correlation and causation and what those constructs mean, this conversation has no purpose. You can start by contemplating how items on a math test (yes, a math test, can be biased). Hint: start with word problems.
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PS. This is a great point: “If a student cannot answer a question, he simply does not know how to perform the needed operations.”
So then, doesn’t this beg the questions 1) Who was supposed to be teaching these operations? and 2) Where did s/he go wrong?
With this sentence, your POV confuses me, because it appeared that your previous arguments dealt with an innate source of intelligence (you seem to have a thing for generalizing Asians), but the statement above paints intelligence (or rather, information or “smarts” as acquired). So which one is your point?
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Listen, Abagond, Slappz doesn’t belong here.
It’s like having a drunk loud plumber at a formal gathering, trying to rip the crown away from the Prom King and Queen. … Wouldn’t the organisers throw the plumber out? He is disrupting the party and making a fool out of himself.
If there is an serious issue affecting the Black community, then our purpose here is discuss how it affects us and how we can come together in the Black community to improve or remedy the situation.
This person just spews out negativity with NO INTENTION of giving contructive criticism or offering ideas on how to make a situation better.
In the end, what is the intention of this person’s presence? He exists just to undermine/minimize Black people’s valid remarkable achievements which are regularly ignored in the media.
HE IS NOT OFFERING ANY SOLUTIONS OR POSITIVE IDEAS because he doesn’t care about Black people.
If someone cares, they will see a problem in someone but will work to help them.
An enemy will look at someone with a problem, distort and magnify that problem and make every effort to tear them down.
Don’t feel guilty about banning him. People ban people all the time from groups where they dont’ belong.
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no, i dont people should be banned because theyre idiots. i think people should just ignore him and dont give him or her the attention they want. you dont want this to become a site with 10 visitors on it. let people voice themsleves. just like america, there are far left wingers, far right wingers, and a whole lot inbetween. but we all get a voice. did you know theres a nazi party in america? A lot dont know cuz no one pays them attention to them or votes for them. just like this guy. turn away and he will weaken.
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jasmin, you wrote:
“So then, doesn’t this beg the questions 1) Who was supposed to be teaching these operations? and 2) Where did s/he go wrong?”
First, your comment above shows that you do not understand the meaning of “begging the question.”
Second, in answer to the question you meant to ask — by stating:
“If a student cannot answer a question, he simply does not know how to perform the needed operations.”
By stating the above, I meant that a student who did not know how to perform a specific mathematical operation simply had not reached the particular milestone. It was NOT meant as a statement of what a student SHOULD know but did not know.
The key point about math is its universal nature and how learning math is free from all the psycho-babble tying cultural bias to learning.
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grena, you wrote:
“An enemy will look at someone with a problem, distort and magnify that problem and make every effort to tear them down.”
I see. Based on the above statement, you believe blacks have a problem. That’s a start.
The real enemy is within. The enemy is the unwillingness of the group to see itself and assess itself in relation to the world. Willful blindness to the factors that help of hinder the group.
False pride.
By the way, have any of the world’s black nations sent relief and rescue teams to Haiti?
Have any muslim countries sent help?
On the other hand, the US is doing its usual superb job of doing everything possible. Unfortunately, due to the mess Haitians have made of their own country, it has been extraordinarily difficult to help.
The other country doing more than its share to help Haitians is Israel.
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@ Abagond
^^ That comment above. Ban him.
I don’t read a lot of blogs. Part of the reason why I visit your site is because I am able to rest my eyes from some of the more inflammatory remarks that exist elsewhere on the web.
His kind of comments get enough attention in the regular press. You have given him enough time. Ban No_Slappz. The comment above should seal it.
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I think he should not be banned. Even though he’s truly a filty piece of work. It helps to keep us sharp. I LOVE rwadin the sensible responses to his dribble. As others pointed out there is another certain someone who would need to be considered for banning if slappz is banned! Its not really worth it. A significant proportion of white people also feel just as he does… We should do as Mr. Blanchette and others suggested, ignore the troll.
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@ No slappz
African countries have sent relief to Haiti google it! Have you heard about what Senegal is doing they have offered up land to Haitians many who have descended from that country
Abagond ban this fool
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No Slappz said:
“By the way, have any of the world’s black nations sent relief and rescue teams to Haiti?
Have any muslim countries sent help?
On the other hand, the US is doing its usual superb job of doing everything possible. Unfortunately, due to the mess Haitians have made of their own country, it has been extraordinarily difficult to help.
The other country doing more than its share to help Haitians is Israel.”
Before spewing your stereotypes about blacks and Muslims can you do us all a favour and at least check the Wikipedia for goodness sake! Is that too much to ask?
Here are SOME of the black nations who have promised to help:
Jamaica
Dominican Republic
Cuba
Guyana
Trinidad & Tobago
Senegal
Liberia
Ghana
Togo
Nigeria
Gabon
Equatorial Guinea
DR Congo
Kenya
Rwanda
Namibia
Sout Africa
Botswana
Here are SOME of the Muslim nations:
Iran
Jordan
Lebanon
Turkmenistan
Turkey
Kuwait
Qatar
UAE
Indonesia
Bangladesh
Pakistan
Albania
Some of these are poor, faraway countries too – unlike America which is rich, right next door and, if it does nothing, will have Haitians coming to its shores by the thousands.
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This is why No_Slappz should be banned he is spouting of some freshly squeezed bull crap how hard is it to google something it doesn’t take up too much time I bet it takes the same amount of time for those thought to be registered in his mind.
Kiss my teeth!
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No Slappz said:
“US is doing its usual superb job of doing everything possible”
What are you talking about? Were you in a coma during Katrina or something?
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abagond, you wrote:
“Here are SOME of the black nations who have promised to help:
and:
“Here are SOME of the Muslim nations:”
Write again when that “promised help” actually arrives.
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abagond, you wrote:
“What are you talking about? Were you in a coma during Katrina or something?”
Your comment is another example of how you fall for whatever is written by goofy reporters who are nowhere near the scene of the disaster.
If you were to have read actual reports written by Katrina First Responders after they completed their rescue missions, you would have learned about the huge effort that was mobilized by the Coast Guard and others who about their business of saving people without waiting around for permission from various agencies.
Such was the case with Katrina. Meanwhile, the people of New Orleans have a long history of staying put when hurricanes hit. No one could have predicted that Katrina would tear loose a barge that would bash a hole in the levees that protect the Lower Ninth Ward.
However, if you were to give a moment’s thought to picking the most dangerous place in America to live during a hurricane, you would conclude that an area below sea level is that place.
The segments of New Orleans above sea level weathered the storm without unusual damage.
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aiyo, you wrote:
“African countries have sent relief to Haiti google it!”
Nope. All they have sent are empty promises.
You wrote:
“Have you heard about what Senegal is doing they have offered up land to Haitians many who have descended from that country.”
Now there’s a choice to consider. Which is more appealing? a life of misery in Haiti? Or a life of misery in Senegal?
Senagalese have a way of getting to the US. Haitians are desperate to get to the US. Thus, an offer from Senegal to accept Haitians, is really a gambit that opens the door to Haitians making a trip to Africa as part of going the long way to America.
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I don’t understand this belief that everyone on Earth would do anything just to go to America.
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mira, you wrote:
“I don’t understand this belief that everyone on Earth would do anything just to go to America.”
Everyone on Earth? Not at all. But at least a billion of the world’s poor would do anything for a shot at living here.
The leading nations of the world have big problems keeping people out.
The crappy nations of the world have negative migration rates because the citizens will do anything to leave. Where do they go? The answer is obvious.
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So, in other words, poor countries = “crappy nations”?
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No Slappz:
“Crappy nations?” I know you are saying that just to get a rise out of me.
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No-slappz,
You still haven’t said what your point is. You wrote this:
“By stating the above, I meant that a student who did not know how to perform a specific mathematical operation simply had not reached the particular milestone. It was NOT meant as a statement of what a student SHOULD know but did not know.”
Aren’t you characterizing knowledge as something that is acquired, not innate (or rather, not innately based on race?).
This is the million-dollar question, since you previously appeared to support doctrines of racialized science. You’ll note that I asked a version of this before, though maybe you just missed it?
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jasmin, you wrote:
“Aren’t you characterizing knowledge as something that is acquired…”
Yes. Knowledge is acquired. The pace of acquisition may vary, but everyone is born a blank slate.
You wrote:
“…not innate (or rather, not innately based on race?).”
As I said, everyone is a blank slate when born. Thus, the knowledge in the heads of ancestors is irrelevant.
Culture, more than anything else, determines how much the average baby, child, young adult, adult learns over a lifetime.
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mira, abagond, if the crappy nations of the world embraced democracy and capitalism, their status as crappy nations would change. They would become prosperous nations.
The brutal poverty that defines Haiti, most African nations, many muslim nations and most of China until recently is, as I have said, the outcome of one factor: Crappy Governments.
Crappy governments are controlled by thugs who rip-off the countries until they are run out or killed.
Recently I looked in economics textbook of mine. The book was published around 1985. In a chapter comparing the economies of many nations, it noted that in 1983 the economies of Haiti and China were equal. The same Gross Domestic Product.
Haiti today is a country of 9 million. China is a country of 1.5 billion. Yet 27 years ago, their output was equal.
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mira, abagond, I will add that all muslim nations are crappy nations. Crappiness is the inevitable outcome of an Islamic government.
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I see. So, if someone lives in a crappy nation, the only way to “light” and prosperity is to get to America. And do whatever it takes to get there?
However, you still didn’t explain what makes a nation crappy. All I see is list of things American propaganda tells Americans are eeeevil and baaaad.
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No_slappz,
Then we agree (almost, because I would say opportunity for learning will have a greater effect than culture). I don’t understand why you sometimes use racialized science arguments (i.e., the fact that X number of students who do Y are “Asian” is irrelevant if their being Asian doesn’t cause them to do Y) if you aren’t a proponent of that sub-discipline. I bet you are going to fall back on a culture argument, but I think you need to tweak it, because not all “Asians” (to stick with your example) have the same culture, so that’s a flawed argument.
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It is fascinating that my comments are so many times more compelling than the research of one of history’s biggest names.
Fascinating to whom, your alter ego?
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Sorry, wrong post!
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no_slappz said:
The brutal poverty that defines Haiti, most African nations, many muslim nations and most of China until recently is, as I have said, the outcome of one factor: Crappy Governments.
Menelik replied:
“the brutal poverty that defines Haiti, most African nations” and by extension, most 3rd world nations are, in fact, largely the outcome of the following factors: slavery, colonialism, the ‘cold war’ and Western control of the global financial and trade markets.
That you, no_slappz, apparently did not know any of this means you are in great company. Most of the posters here have an equally ahistorical, and apolitical view of such matters (including that of racial and sexual politics).
I find it more than a little amusing that they’re busy here heaping their sins upon someone with whom they actually have quite a bit in common with. Indeed, there is one particular person here according you a great deal more respect and tolarence then she ever accorded me…but then I’m Black and male so I guess this has something to do with it!
Anyway, what’s the point in banning someone who is actually helping to keep us on our toes? One learns more from the opposition than from ones friends!
Menelik Charles
London England
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no_slappz said:
…if the crappy nations of the world embraced democracy and capitalism, their status as crappy nations would change. They would become prosperous nations.
Menelik says:
and if western nations would stop exploiting the natural resources of “crappy nations” and more especially, stop imposing and keeping in power puppet leaders (e.g. in Saudi Arabia, Nigeria) to do their bidding then maybe said nations wouldn’t be so “crappy”!
Oh, and it’s funny how Western nations are only interested in spreading democracy in nations (e.g. in Afghanistan, Iraq) they seek to dominate and exploit for some natural resource.
Am I wrong?
Menelik Charles
London England
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Oh, and it’s funny how Western nations are only interested in spreading democracy in nations (e.g. in Afghanistan, Iraq) they seek to dominate and exploit for some natural resource.
Am I wrong?
Nope, you are absolutely right.
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Not necessarily. Democracy is only as good as the electorate. If you held an election in Yemen or Saudi Arabia, you’d probably end up with someone that wanted to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. And there are many capitalist countries that are 3rd world. Scandinavia is socialist and has one of the highest standards of living in the world. China is undemocratic and rising by leaps and bounds.
You try to make the world so black and white and formulaic, but reality isn’t so.
The only thing I can closely correlate to prosperity is corruption. A look at the corruption perception index shows a close linkage between corruption and poverty. If you want to end poverty, the first step is eradicating corruption, but that demands a strong culture of altruism, respect for the law and accountability as a foundation. Governments are a reflection of their population and I do believe that people get the government they deserve. Cleptocratic governments don’t just form out of nowhere, they were *allowed* to thrive.
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Tulio said:
Governments are a reflection of their population and I do believe that people get the government they deserve. Cleptocratic governments don’t just form out of nowhere, they were *allowed* to thrive.
Menelik asks:
would you like to think through the above statement again? I mean, did the people of Zaire, who elected Patrice Lumumba president in 1962, really deserve to have the Kleptocratic Mobutu imposed upon them by western nations, including the USA during the ‘cold war’?
Your comments just support my earlier assertion that many of the posters here are not much different in mindset to no_slappz insofar as he too present ahistorical and apolitical arguments!
Shame.
Menelik Charles
London England
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I’m obviously not talking about governments that were imposed on a country by outside forces.
I think though that a nation’s government says something about it’s people. There’s a reason autocratic theocracies thrive in the middle east but not in the west. Why is that?
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So is no_slappz’s ass going to be banned or not? Just curious. 😛
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Right Menelik, Lumumba was murdered on the orders of the Belgian government with the complicity of the US as they thought he was a ‘communist’ when in fact he only wished to rid the Congo of colonialism. Puppets who were also kleptocrats were put in place as you stated.
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@ Leigh. LOL 😉
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asked:
would you like to think through the above statement again? I mean, did the people of Zaire, who elected Patrice Lumumba president in 1962, really deserve to have the Kleptocratic Mobutu imposed upon them by western nations, including the USA during the ‘cold war’?
Tulio replied:
I’m obviously not talking about governments that were imposed on a country by outside forces.
Menelik asks:
was it really that obvious?
Tulio said:
The only thing I can closely correlate to prosperity is corruption. A look at the corruption perception index shows a close linkage between corruption and poverty. If you want to end poverty, the first step is eradicating corruption, but that demands a strong culture of altruism, respect for the law and accountability as a foundation. Governments are a reflection of their population and I do believe that people get the government they deserve. Cleptocratic governments don’t just form out of nowhere, they were *allowed* to thrive.
Menelik said:
No, it WASN’T obvious you were not referring to ‘governments’ imposed on a population. It appeared to me, sinced you made consistent references to “corruption” and “kleptocratic governments” that you were generally referring to AFRICAN governments since they are typically tarnished with the brush of corruption and kleptomaniac ‘leaders’!
Think about it!
Menelik Charles
London England
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I wasn’t targeting any one region. I don’t need to go to Africa to find corruption and kleptocracy. A 2 hour drive south into Mexico will suffice. These phenomena can be found pretty anywhere high on the corruption perception index.
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@ Tulio,
I think we both know that when on speaks of corrupt governments, on does not immediately think of those residing on the American continent!
Menelik Charles
London England
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Leigh:
I am still thinking about whether to ban his ass. I will come to a decision within 24 hours.
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jasmin, you wrote:
“I would say opportunity for learning will have a greater effect than culture)”
In NY City grade schools, whites, blacks, hispanics and asians are together in the same classrooms. By the end of grade school significant differences in educational achievement are staring everyone in the face.
Admission to middle school (junior high) is competitive — if the student chooses. Or the student can accept assignment to his regional middle school.
The school statistics are public information. Most of the kids getting into the competitive middle schools are asian and white.
The kids entered grade school with the same “opportunity for learning.” Over the years they did what they did in class and got into the middle schools that matched their test scores and grades.
The only factor that explain the high percentage of white and asian kids in the best schools is culture.
You wrote:
“I don’t understand why you sometimes use racialized science arguments (i.e., the fact that X number of students who do Y are “Asian” is irrelevant if their being Asian doesn’t cause them to do Y) if you aren’t a proponent of that sub-discipline.”
Again. Asian family culture.
You wrote:
“I bet you are going to fall back on a culture argument, but I think you need to tweak it, because not all “Asians” (to stick with your example) have the same culture, so that’s a flawed argument.”
If you want to drill down and examine each asian subgroup, I am sure we will find that some are better students than others. Big deal.
As a group, they do remarkably well and everyone else would benefit from doing a little of what they do.
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menelik charles, you wrote:
“the brutal poverty that defines Haiti, most African nations” and by extension, most 3rd world nations are, in fact, largely the outcome of the following factors: slavery, colonialism, the ‘cold war’ and Western control of the global financial and trade markets.”
menelik, you are just another apologist for another failed state. The slavery and colonialism argument holds water for about two generations — not 200 years.
When you whine about the impact of slavery and colonialism that ended 200 years ago, you are effectively stating that Haiti is permanently and forever a casualty of its past. Your thinking boils down to stating that since we cannot change the past, Haiti will never rise above its current misery.
Furthermore, your perspective offers the highly racist view that black societies cannot recover from long-past injustices. Of course this is a common sentiment among muslims too. Too many of them are desperate to return to the 7th century of muhammad.
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menelik charles, you wrote:
“…western nations would stop exploiting the natural resources of “crappy nations” and more especially, stop imposing and keeping in power puppet leaders (e.g. in Saudi Arabia, Nigeria) to do their bidding then maybe said nations wouldn’t be so “crappy”!”
The US pays RETAIL for those resouces that you claim are gotten through “exploitation.”
Meanwhile, the only way to de-crapify a muslim nation is to invade it, kill the leaders and force a conversion to democracy and capitalism. Even then, getting out of the crappy stage is a long shot because muslims can ruin anything.
You wrote:
“Oh, and it’s funny how Western nations are only interested in spreading democracy in nations (e.g. in Afghanistan, Iraq) they seek to dominate and exploit for some natural resource.”
Yeah, the US was drooling over the thought of all the natural resources coming our way after forcing Germany, Japan and South Korea to become capitalist democracies.
You asked:
“Am I wrong?”
Yes.
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menelik, you are just another apologist for another failed state. The slavery and colonialism argument holds water for about two generations — not 200 years.
Last time I checked, cold war wasn’t 200 years ago, and western control of the global financial and trade markets is still with us.
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mira,
Obviously you do not know the first thing about financial markets and you seem willing to ignore the fact that Haiti produces NOTHING anyone outside of Haiti wants to buy.
If you have NO products for export, you have a problem. Haiti has none.
Meanwhile, Singapore, for example, was a backwater slum until about 40 years ago.
Things can change for the better when people cooperate in successful ways. The path to prosperity is well known. No secrets. The problem is denial.
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Abagond:
Still pondering on whether to ban a racist’s ass? Please explain to me what is so meaningful and deep about No-slappz or any other white racist’s posts.
Why not just let them all post? Why bother to ban any at all?
Here you have him putting down Haitians when Haitians are dying by the THOUSANDS and the country is still suffering from aftershocks (including one that measured 6 this morning)!! Nice.
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I am pondering.
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No_slappz,
I’ll agree with Tulio that you tend to talk at people, not with them, and we’ll just agree to disagree about school because you choose to ignore a bunch of relatively obvious factors (differences in how teachers treat students, differences in teacher expectations, how class affects those opportunities–what do you do if you can’t afford books?) in order to maintain your beliefs. Per your line of thinking, the entire field of psychology should just ceast to exist, because it’s unnecessary and impossible that one’s thoughts or beliefs could have a significant effect.
General note: I’ve found that people who take a supremely authoritative stance with strangers rarely know what they are talking about. Go figure.
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Lol. Like I said n’ like Mr. Charles said it helps to keep you on your toes when there’s an idiot trollin around. Perhaps u could select slappz (and a certain other poster) to have their comments looked @ seperately. You know? :-I love posts such as these. I had no idea Darwin was racist. I knew he was a Christian though (of course I know there are many “Christians who do all sorts of foolishness not condoned in The Bible) so I never thought of him being so narrow minded. Another gd one!
Would you pls do a post about the number of hits ur blog gets and where most ppl r from pls? I’ve been meaning to ask u for a while… :-
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Here is the post:
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No Slappz can stay, at least for now:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/why-i-am-keeping-no-slappz/
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jasmin, you wrote:
“I’ll agree with Tulio that you tend to talk at people, not with them, and we’ll just agree to disagree about school because you choose to ignore a bunch of relatively obvious factors (differences in how teachers treat students, differences in teacher expectations, how class affects those opportunities–what do you do if you can’t afford books?) in order to maintain your beliefs.”
Your statement implies several falsities. In urban classrooms — let’s consider Brooklyn, NY, where I live — classrooms are racially mixed. There is ONE teacher for each grade-school class. Hence, the classroom instruction is uniform. Of course some teachers like some kids more than others. But claiming that teachers deliberately short-change minority students (who are the majority in NY City public schools) is an act of excuse-making.
Second, if you believe what you wrote, then you must also believe that black public-school teachers also commit this purported abuse of minority students.
You rasied the issue of “class”. Presumably you were referring to social class, not class in school. If you take social class into the picture, then you are pretending schools are responsible for transcending every troubling factor that affects a kid’s life OUTSIDE of school as well as inside the building.
That is an impossible task. A school cannot undo the impact of factors and influences impinging on a kid when he is off school property.
As for what teachers expect — they do not set expectations. In NY City, those expectations are standards set by the Dept of Ed. Students are tested via standardized tests to determine their level of achievement. However, the kids spend a lot of classroom time preparing for these exams. They are given direct coaching and they take practice tests. The results speak for themselves, and they repeatedly show that minority students lag white and asian students.
Books? Books are basically free. Every school in NY City holds book fairs. Prices for used books are generally less than a dollar.
Meanwhile, the book issue is a red herring. Bottom line, blacks are not big readers. Period. I have no idea where you live, but if you ever get to Harlem, look for a book store. You will find ONE. The Hue-Man bookstore, next door to the Magic Johnson movie theater. On my visits to the store, I have noticed that business seems slow, which makes me think Magic Johnson gives the store a big break on rent.
Meanwhile, the store’s inventory is weak. On some of my earliest visits I saw there were a number of prominently displayed books on topics related to how whites have mistreated blacks. Not scholarly books on slavery, but rather books by fringe writers presenting claims that were basically conspiracy-theory nonsense.
Meanwhile, Ralph Ellison’s most famous work is almost as invisible as his most famous character.
In Harlem, books are also sold at sidewalk stands, like CDs, DVDs, soap, oil and t-shirts. But those books are largely anti-white diatribes, conspiracy stories, or thug lit. And the sellers do not understand pricing, which makes me think they are simply clerks working for the Nation of Islam.
You wrote:
“Per your line of thinking, the entire field of psychology should just ceast to exist, because it’s unnecessary and impossible that one’s thoughts or beliefs could have a significant effect.”
Your preceding sentence shows your lack of logic on every level.
I am CERTAIN — it is a fact — people believe endless amounts of self-defeating idiocy. You have made your case that blacks believe the world is against them from Day One. The leading theme of this blog boils down to blacks concluding that all problems affecting the black world begin with whites.
Anyway, when it comes to school, if attitudes in school systems are anti-black, then those attitudes would affect school sports too. Is there any evidence coaches treat black athletes like you claim teachers treat students?
You wrote:
“General note: I’ve found that people who take a supremely authoritative stance with strangers rarely know what they are talking about. Go figure.”
Really? Have you tabulated numbers and researched the opinions of “strangers” to assess the accuracy of their comments? Or are you merely talking through your hat?
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No_slappz,
I can show you 15 studies that show a) teachers admit to treating students of color differently than White students b) teachers reveal their biases against students of color in association tests and c) teachers track a disporportionate amount of students of color into special education/low-level classes. Can you provide any evidence of the opposite?
“Anyway, when it comes to school, if attitudes in school systems are anti-black, then those attitudes would affect school sports too. Is there any evidence coaches treat black athletes like you claim teachers treat students?”
Yep.
I’m sure that your knowledge of bookstores in Harlem is proof of how much Black people like to read. A second grader could see how fallacious that logic is.
This conversation is going nowhere, and I really don’t care what you think, so we have no reason to interact further. If you want to learn something, I’m sure you know how to use Google. Have a nice day! 🙂
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I have to agree, that bookstore logic is pretty brainless. I love to read but only once in my life have I ever lived near a good bookstore.
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Maybe if No Slappz got out a little more he might notice there is a thing called the New York Public Library and another thing called the subway which, even if you live in a crappy part of New York, can take you to some of the best bookstores in America. Those two things together make even Harlem one of the best places in America to live in terms of books – vastly better than any white suburb I know of.
Also, in another post he said you can get books for free. If that is so, I do not know how any of these bookstores stay in business.
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abagond,
Believe what you want, but demand for goods and services is reflected by the presence of facilities that offer those desired goods and services.
As for the subway, that provides a look into people’s habits of entertainment and personal enrichment. The breakdown goes like this: on the subway, whites generally read newspapers, magazines or books. White woman might read more books than newspapers while white men pick newspapers.
Blacks mostly listen to music. However, when it comes to books, black women are most likely to read them. Black men — rarely. Very rarely are they reading books or newspapers.
as for the free books I mentioned, that was a reference to used books for kids.
One of the best places to buy books cheap is a thrift store. Salvation Army. Good Will. Whatever. There is a thrift store on 125th St in Harlem that once sold used books. But no longer. No buyers.
Obviously book buyers can order from Amazon and get deliveries no matter where they live, thus you can argue there is no need for actual bookstores. But, the fact remains that no matter what you believe, reading skills among school-age blacks are measurably lower than among whites.
Yes, there are library branches in every part of the city. By the way, each borough has its own library system. Thus, the Brooklyn Public Library is separate from the New York Public Library, which serves only Manhattan.
The feature of the library getting the heaviest use are the computers that give Internet access. Free use. That’s where the lines are.
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wrote:
Oh, and it’s funny how Western nations are only interested in spreading democracy in nations (e.g. in Afghanistan, Iraq) they seek to dominate and exploit for some natural resource.
no_slappz replied:
Yeah, the US was drooling over the thought of all the natural resources coming our way after forcing Germany, Japan and South Korea to become capitalist democracies.
Menelik says:
I don’t know what it is with you guys in the US…you just seem so apolitical and ahistorical that it defies belief! Do you really think it possible to discuss political and hisorical matters MINUS its political and historical basis?
Is every act overseas carried out by the US an merely acts of benevolence? America became a super power as a direct result of two previous super powers (Britain and Germany) fighting themselves to a standstill. America’s intervention in WW2 was purely an act of self-interest.
It’s war with Japan was more an act of self-defence than of naked aggression (though try telling that to the people of Hiroshima!) while its activities in Korea were intricately related to the ‘cold war’…
How do you not know this? Do you exist merely to bait and hate? I would seriously hate to have the thoughts in your head, really, I would!
Menelik Charles
London England
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menelik charles, you wrote:
“Oh, and it’s funny how Western nations are only interested in spreading democracy in nations (e.g. in Afghanistan, Iraq) they seek to dominate and exploit for some natural resource.”
I see from your opening sentence that you like to create a strawman you can skewer while making no point whatsoever.
Here’s something for you to consider about the US. It is the goal of the US to resolve the conflicts it enters in a way that is good for the entire world.
We bombed the daylights out of Germany and kept bombing until getting complete capitulation. Then the rebuilding process was begun. The Marshall Plan gave the world a new capitalist democracy that has been a benefit to the planet ever since the US ceded power in 1952.
The same story was played out in Japan. And I could not care less about the people who were killed in Hiroshima. If we had had an atomic bomb in 1942 and dropped on Hiroshima then, the war might have ended three years sooner. In that scenario, how many lives might have been saved? On both sides?
If Iraq becomes the capitalist democracy Bush envisioned, then it is likely the transition of the middle east from muslim backwater to the 21st century is underway.
Iraqs oilfields are capable of producing possibly 10 million barrels of oil per day. With oil production at even 5 million barrels a day, Iraq would pull in about $125 billion a year. That’s more than enough to finance a prosperous economy.
Yes, the US will benefit from a stable, prosperous, and peaceful Iraq. And so will every other nation in the world, except those nations nearby where muslim leaders want to return to the 7th century. Meanwhile, if you check into Iraq’s oil industry, you will find that contracts for oilfield work are going to companies from several countries, not the US. But the benefits are going to Iraq.
Maybe you should re-read a little Korean history. The was an invasion from the north that got the shooting started. June 1950.
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no_slappz said:
1) We bombed the daylights out of Germany… Then the rebuilding process began. The Marshall Plan gave the world a new capitalist democracy that has been a benefit to the planet ever since the US ceded power in 1952.
2) The same story was played out in Japan. And I could not care less about the people who were killed in Hiroshima.
Menelik replies:
Now this is exactly what I mean by people like you being ahistorical and apolitical. My point was that America took control of the western world. The Marshall Plan was instrumental in smoothing over this coup.
The “new capitalist democracy” you refer to stood in direct opposition to the communist ‘democracy’ advanced by the old Soviet Union.
These are basic historical and political facts. Again, I ask, why do you continue to ignore them?
no_slappz said:
I could not care less about the people who were killed in Hiroshima.
Menelik says:
And these words accurately sum up what type of human being you are: insensitive, narrow-minded, cruel and over-bearing. A bit like a ‘shock jock’, come to think of it!
Anyway, let’s call it quits since baiting people seems to be your pastime. It is NOT mine. I have a job and a 5-year old daughter to care for.
Thanks for your time.
Menelik Charles
London England
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menelik charles,
Like I said, if the US had had the atomic bomb in 1942 and dropped it on Japan then, many many many lives would have been saved because the war might have ended days after the bomb was dropped — in 1942 instead of 1945.
However, clearly the possibility of ending the war months after it began disturbs you. Probably because the outcome would have been the defeat of Japan and the triumph of freedom.
But, like most people who are simply anti-American, you want to remove the bombing of Hiroshima from its historical context and cast it as a war crime or some other ridiculous perversion of reality.
It seems to bother you that the Germans and the Japanese have succeeded nicely with their capitalist democracies.
Why is that? Based on your other comments, the only reason that makes sense is one tied to your embarrassment at the repeated failures of communism.
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“The leading theme of this blog boils down to blacks concluding that all problems affecting the black world begin with whites.”
No, the only one concluding this is you. Since you have come to these conclusions, can you provide charts, facts, statistics (mind you, only the most recent, and from creditable sources) tomes, dictionaries thesauruses, heck, any references to your above statement? Oh, and only references for this blog. They must be only for this particular blog, not blogs in general. On second thoughts, forget it! That would be like starting a riot in a paper bag, you gaseous windbag!
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herneith, I wrote:
“The leading theme of this blog boils down to blacks concluding that all problems affecting the black world begin with whites.”
You wrote:
“No, the only one concluding this is you. Since you have come to these conclusions, can you provide charts, facts, statistics, tomes, dictionaries, thesauruses…”
My claim is about THIS BLOG and how it assesses problems faced by blacks. The only data I need to support my point is a tally of posts blaming whites for black problems vs posts blaming some other source.
Obviously the overwhelming majority of posts on this site blame whites for the problems of the black world.
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Oh, of course. How scientific.
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He’s got a point. A lot, not most, some, or all, but a lot of the blame white people for EVERYTHING! Just look at some of the comments. I’m really speaking about one commenter specifically but I won’t call her out here.
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To I’m white:
So, you’re saying whites should never be blamed for anything especially when it comes to the marginalization and demonization of POC?
To No Slappz:
It’s obvious that it’s useless to talk to you about what’s true especially when the truth comes from POC. What’s hysterical is that you are trying to present yourself as intelligent and informed, but yet, not only do you sound ignorant, but you continue to prove what anti-racists are saying about most whites. You also continue to prove what abagond and other people are saying about you over and over again, and you don’t realize it.
Still, there is something psychological about this. You continue to return to the same blog you’re practically against over and over like a customer at a dominatrix parlor. Why do you keep coming back?
To other commenters who don’t know what the hell racism is or don’t want to hear what racism is from POC or anti-racists:
Why are ya’ll here if you don’t plan on taking what is said seriously? Why do you come around if after all is said and researched that you still believe that racism is over, that we live in a color-blind society, that only blacks are racists, etc. etc. etc.?
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@Will:
no_slappz keeps coming back because not a lot of people actually pay attention to his blog. He’s bored and has a lot of time on his hands. Btw, I mentioned no_slappz has a blog. To my fellow commenters, please don’t even entertain the thought of visiting his blog. I sure don’t. He doesn’t deserve any more attention. What a sad fellow.
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To No Slappz
“First, EVERTHING I write reflects easily checked facts.”
Bull; I showed you government statistics proving white people are involved in more gang homicide than blacks, and you disagreed with it, and what facts did you have to disagree? ZERO!!!!!!
To abagond
Should you ban him? It would make white people seem less ignorant. On the other hand if he does not break the comment policy it really would not be fair.
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@Ó Dochartaigh:
abagond has decided to keep this person on here because he hasn’t broken the comment policy…yet. abagond, I hope I”m not making any assumptions, but if I recall, that’s what you mentioned once before.
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Right, he has not broken the comment policy. In fact, when his comments appear in moderation I approve them without even reading them because he has never caused me trouble in the past. He follows the rules and is not easily angered. So in some ways he is a model commenter.
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I missed the poll, I think he should be on just to see how people like him think
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lol! Now you’ve done it, abagond. He already has a swelled head. It’s going to get bigger. 😉
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Damn, you actually made a post about no_slappz
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