White guilt is where white Americans feel bad for the wrong they have done to blacks and other people of colour.
The right wing uses the term to put down white liberals, who are pictured as helping blacks to ease their own sense of guilt.
They are wrong about white liberals: at best liberals are just trying to help those who voted for them so they can win re-election, like anyone else with any sense. As it is, white liberals mostly take the black vote for granted and do little to help them. As for the right, they just want a way to bad mouth any reason against cutting taxes.
That is white guilt at the public level. It is just a bit of cheap political rhetoric, part of the right’s bag of tricks.
The more interesting level is the psychological, what goes on in the hearts and minds of white people. Here is how I make sense of it:
Most white Americans seem to think racism is a thing of the past. Black people are either living in the past or making a big deal out of nothing. Whites only notice the more extreme cases of white racism, like the Klan. Whatever troubles blacks have is their own fault. So from this point of view there is absolutely nothing to feel any guilt or shame about.
Case closed, right?
Wrong. There is more to it than that. You can tell because whenever you point out cases of racism, like how poor blacks in the city go to bad schools, the defences spring right up. Too quickly. They take it too personally, more personally than it makes sense to, and their most common defence is to shift blame in one way or another.
You have touched some nerve. The blame-shifting shows that they know it is true and are trying to avoid a sense of guilt.
It seems that most whites have had the experience of taking a wrong turn and winding up in some poor black neighbourhood. So they know full well how unequal American society is, that their material comfort and safety comes at a cost to black people.
They will deny it, but deep down they know full well what is going on and what their part in it is. They know they are turning a blind eye to it and benefiting while others suffer for no reason other than the colour of their skin. Deep down they know. Not even the sweet lies at night of Rented Negroes on cable news can make it go away.
Thus the guilt and shame, the quick defensiveness, the blame-shifting.
It is why they do not like to talk about race, why they do not like to think of themselves as “white”, why they are afraid to squarely face up to their own racism. And why they fear black men: no matter how many they lock up they still do not feel safe.
– Abagond, 2009.
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what i have noticed with white guilt is that they try to shift the blame on to the POC to make them feel better I remember one white boy in my school was like “africa sold slaves to european so why are they made at us?” and I replied true few crooked rulers did but many of them resisted the slave trade and some countries had a ‘shoot on site’ policy for europeans and then talked about africa’s resistantce to the slave trade which shut him up and made him feel even more guilty
BTW I love your blog!
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As well, When Africans had their own slaves, these slaves were more like servants who intermarried with their descendants and became absorbed into the community to become one. They were not regarded as sub-human century after century abused, raped, denied simple priviledges like marriage and family stability.
If you ask an African if one of their ancestor was a slave, they probably wouldn’t know.
I’m sure if the African people were aware of the degrading de-humanizing longterm treatment they were getting from the Europeans, they would have stopped it immediately and ran the Europeans off their shores
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as far as the africans hand in slavery don’t shift it to rulers and such because the slavery involved arab and black arabs which still takes place. here’s one link that delves deep into it “Islam, Colourism and the Myth of Black African Slave Traders” http://www.rootswomen.com/ayanna/articles/10022004.html
as far as white guilt, i watched this documentary by a brit on those nazi twin popstars that made headlines a while ago. when their nazi stage mother moved them to montana and they finally went to public school one of them expressed on how she felt guilty when they began to talk about mlk and the civil rights liberation movement and who it wasn’t her fault. it was interesting, but unlike the docu maker, it didn’t mean their was this significant shift in the girls and the views they were taught from the cradle.
unearned privilege will always leave a person feeling guilty and not wanting to lose that privilege and the knowledge that actively or passively keeping that privilege is selfish, leads to more guilt.
of course, as long as nobody brings it up, they don’t have to feel guilty, feel the need to defend, deflect, or dismiss. then the anger at having to confront the guilt which leads to attacks and accusations. and then they go back to pretending.
this is the real neverending tale
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The problem of the matter is what might be termed ‘The Black mentality’- a mentality of unambition, petty criminality, sloth and conformistic thought. And I am pissed off by it. Black people have to realise that as a people, they represent nothing but an economic black hole-that if it were to sink into the sea nobody would notice until they found that they had more money than before. The problems of Blacks lie with Blacks, purely and wholely.
Perhaps you can to some extent train black children to be polite and to have good work habits, but intelligence is an inherent trait that cannot be taught — you either have it or you don’t. Polishing granite doesn’t turn it into a diamond.
The funny thing about people who say that blacks need a change in environment or to be “educated” in order to advance is that this was precisely the argument behind colonization (and, indeed, blacks did behave better, had better standards of living, and had more opportunities for advancement under colonization than they do now).
It’s this difference in mentality that explains the differences in achievement between blacks and other races. Unfortunately, this racial difference is inherent, it’s not just a bad habit blacks accidentally fell into one day and can easily come out of.
Of course, not *all* blacks fit the pattern, but the majority do, and it’s the majority that makes the difference.
If blacks want to advance, they ought to take a good long look in the mirror instead of blaming all their problems and shortcomings on Whitey.
One need look no further than what Gandhi thought about blacks (he considered them inferior).
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That last comment was a cut and paste job from the comments on this page:
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to the cut and past comment by david
you know, when i see a white person say “whitey” i instantly think they are some ignorant jerk, who thinks that the only problems out there, are the ones they themselves go through.
the word “whitey” in my opinion destroys the white person’s argument, and anything they have to say, more than likely is false and isnt important, because, its obvious the person is ignorant to other peoples experiences and they are obviously ignorant to reality to start saying lame lines like “blame whitey”.
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Abagond
This is no cut and past (excuse the pun). The only time I see white guilt mentioned is when black people bring it up. Believe me, white people do not have any guilt complex about african slavery and the past.
The strongest and most adabtable servive and that is the bottom line. We can chat on this blog and go around in circles (because that is all that is happening here) or you can leave or your hate behind and enjoy life without the crap!!!!!!
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I don’t think he is trying to bring about hate.
Fact is that the tag line of his blog is “500 Words A Day on Whatever I want”
You don’t have to agree with what the man says, but you have to love the fact that we live in a country where anyone can say their opinions in an open forum with risking persecution for it.
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Thanks for posting that cut and paste link from that comment Abagond, which pretty much proves that David, in fact, cannot think and make intelligent comments on his own without swiping them from another site’s comments. hahahah pathetic.
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Wayne:
I disagree.
1. If they felt no shame and guilt about race, they would act differently. Their arguments would be different, not blame-shifting ones. They would not waste their breath trying to defend slave traders and racist policemen.
2. It is mainly the right that uses the term “white guilt”. They use it to bash liberal policies.
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Alwaysright101 said:
you know, when i see a white person say “whitey” i instantly think they are some ignorant jerk, who thinks that the only problems out there, are the ones they themselves go through.
Strange, that is just what I think too.
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There’s no reason for whites to feel guilty for being more successful at the game of survival than others. If blacks had had the means to colonize the world the way whites did, I’m sure they would have done so without hesitation, and they probably would have done it with a lot less compassion. All this talk about whites being uniquely evil and so on is just sour grapes from a bunch of sore losers.
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Racism and homophobia are twin diseases in Post-Obama America and will be deemed psychological disorders that require heavy medication in the near future. Of course, only white people can be homophobic or racist and they will be heavily sedated so as to eradicate the only source of evil left on the planet that could disrupt THE AGE OF OBAMA.
Black people however, can do no wrong when it comes to racism nor homophobia. So 96 percent of Black people voted for Obama in the 2008 election? So what? Black people just wanted to feel proud and ensure that they could see the day they never thought they would in their lifetime!
That’s not racist! It’s racist to even point out that 96 percent of Black people voted for Mein Obama! Black people are immune from being called as a racist, for only white people can be racist.
And, only white people can be homophobic, even though 70 percent of Black people voted to defeat Gay Marriage in California:
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igor…remove the chip from your shoulder.
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Act diffently? Maybe it’s black people that have the guilt complex about being slaves! Maybe your generation should stand up and be proud without the hang-ups and throwing the nigger word around like its something to be proud of!
Maybe the leaders in Africa should care for their people, maybe, maybe, maybe. It’s all a bunch of crap! We all the same, with some differences. How many Europeans have died in the last century at our own hands and you bitch about your history and blame everyone else but yourself?
All races have pro’s and cons. This blog is tiring! You stuck in limbo man!!! Just move on and enrich your life as a individual and leave the skin behind.
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1010
Remove the stick from your eye first!
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I think his point is that he cannot leave his skin behind. That is very much what he is trying to convey.
Ease up.
Also, the problems in Africa, notwithstanding 400 years of the best and brightest being eliminated, is the fact that Chinese, Soviet and American Oil companies have created tribal wars where there were none.
Though I do agree with the “N” bomb problem.
As I say, a forum for debate is always fantastic. Thanks for providing it.
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Christopher Herz
Skin! Can’t live without it. lol
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1010p:
I just deleted your comments where you made personal remarks about Wayne. You do not prove him wrong by speculating on his personal life.
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Right: “leave skin behind” – easier said than done.
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David & Igor:
It would be nice if you read the post and the comments and gave your own thoughts about what is said in them rather than arguing against points not raised here.
For example, no one here said whites are uniquely evil or that blacks are not racist. So why are you arguing those points?
If we were all talking over dinner you two would come off as a bit mad. We would look in your eyes and notice you are not looking at us.
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I always say “[white] guilt is a useless emotion.” Another blogger somewhere put it better when they noted how white guilt does no good for either PoC or white people.
Anyway, evidence that “white guilt” is one of the conservative/right fave topics:
“Shakedown” by Kenneth R. Timmerman
Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson… calls [Rev. Jesse] Jackson… a “race hustler”1 who has cashed in on white guilt to fund an opulent lifestyle and a personal power base.
“White Guilt” by Shelby Steele
“As the counterculture merged with the civil-rights movement, America was exposed for its racial hypocrisy and, consequently, lost its moral authority… “white guilt” became the moral framework for America. Steele argues that liberal whites embraced guilt for two reasons: to avoid being seen as racists and to embrace a vantage point where they could mete out benefits to disadvantaged blacks…”
Rush Limbaugh referenced Steele’s book, etc…
So, those of you white people out there who are supporting Barack Obama, you are racists… You’re attempting to assuage all of your white guilt by supporting Obama, is worthless, because you’re just exhibiting racism because you know he’s not a “real black.”
Speaking of Obama, Charles Krauthammer, in his “The Speech: A Brilliant Fraud” column, reduced Obama’s speech on race to “little more than an elegantly crafted, brilliantly sophistic justification” of Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s “racial lies and race hatred” (which is odd because Krauthammer took aim at statements Wright made explicitly about “the government”). A “sophistic justification” Krauthammer claims Obama made by trying to establish a “moral equivalence” between Wright and whites like Geraldine Ferraro and Obama’s own grandmother AND by playing on “white guilt” by daring to contextualize Rev. Wright’s so-called “hate speech.” (Of course, Krauthammer had nothing to say about the false moral equivalence Obama tried to make between Black anger and White resentment which he privileged both directly in the speech and indirectly by attempting the false moral equivalence.)
Finally, Vdare’s Steve Sailer broke it down like this well before Obama proved to be a viable presidential candidate:
White Guilt is just another ploy in the Great American White Status Struggle. Minorities are merely props for [whites] asserting moral superiority over other whites.
Finding and punishing Guilty Whites has become a national obsession.
I guess I’d have to agree with that and, outside of clownish Black CONservatives like Steele, Peterson and Tom Sowell (who pulled a Limbaugh, commented on Steele’s book and, in 2008, rendered Obama unfit to be prez no matter how much he met “other people’s psychic needs, including a need to dispel white guilt by supporting his candidacy”), this white guilt stuff has been the fave rave of White (and not-so-white) CONservatives for decades in their battle to gain “moral superiority” over their white liberal family and friends.
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Thank you. “White guilt” sounds much more like a Rush Limbaugh term than anything anyone on the left would say, black or white. And yet, for all that, I think Limbaugh is right (did I just say that?), it just works at a much deeper level and more universally among whites than he imagines. It affects him too.
Shelby Steele says:
As the counterculture merged with the civil-rights movement
What, is he on drugs?
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There’s no reason for whites to feel guilty for being more successful at the game of survival than others. If blacks had had the means to colonize the world the way whites did, I’m sure they would have done so without hesitation, and they probably would have done it with a lot less compassion. All this talk about whites being uniquely evil and so on is just sour grapes from a bunch of sore losers.
you are wrong loser. actually blacks did travel the world and DIDNT feel the need to colonize. we are not hateful and evil like you. but alot of blacks do need to know who and what we are deeling with regarding your race. i know who and what you are, but many blacks dont thats why they will marry your people and have children by your people. i will admit that blacks dont know how to be ruthless. but, i think black women could actually go toe to toe with white people if the time ever came. black women have absolutely no love or fear of you. i think if the shit ever hits the fan, black women have the mentallity to deal with you on same level you deal with us. i must say white people arent playing and you take no prisoners. i saw that new movie “district 9” and it just reminded me of the fact that white people arent playing with black people and do whatever necessary to make the world a good place for themselves ONLY. bump everbody else on it and fuck karma!!
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actually blacks did travel the world and DIDNT feel the need to colonize.
This history needs to really be taught quick, fast and in a hurry with a loudspeaker. Otherwise, intellectually lazy folks, Black and White (Skip Gates that means you) drunk with White apologetics try to dumb down and bend historical facts to aid White folks who have a “that means we are [uniquely] evil” complex.
I don’t know whether “ruthless” is the term but the Palestinian reaction to Israeli occupation is instructive here. The civil rights struggles of the last century in the U.S. could have easily consisted of the type of violent tactics Palestinians have used but it did not. South Africa also complicate Igor’s grade school race logic.
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Nquest
Can you give me a more “detailed” comment on reference to SA in your last comment.
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To Jasmine or NQuest:
actually blacks did travel the world and DIDNT feel the need to colonize.
Can you give an example?
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To Abagond:
If they felt no shame and guilt about race, they would act differently.
Their arguments would be different, not blame-shifting ones.
I think I know but could you clarify what do you mean by a blame shifting argument…? If one group blames another group for their troubles and the other group says no we are not the cause of those troubles is that automatically blame shifting..?
They would not waste their breath trying to defend slave traders
Who defends slave traders?
racist policemen.
I like to evidence when accusations are thrown around that a policeman (many of who are black in places like Detroit (65%)) is racist. Sometimes they are.. sometimes they are not.
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To Jasmine and Nquest:
actually blacks did travel the world and DIDNT feel the need to colonize.
Africans colonized plenty, although predominantly in the continent of Africa:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_expansion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyo_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghana_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songhai_Empire
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racist policemen.
Let me rephrase that.. although I times I can agree that policemen can be racist (although now there are plenty of black, Latino, and Asian policemen.. for example Detroit’s police force is 65% black..) what I see often… is the reasoning.. “this wouldn’t happen to a white person..” when I have researched some of the incidents .. I have found cases .. where yes indeed.. it had happened to a white person…
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Uncle Milton:
1. Commenters like to inform me that the Arabs and even Africans traded slaves. Almost out of the blue. Why do they keep bringing this up? I think they are trying to excuse the Atlantic slave trade. But why waste your breath defending something so clearly evil? I think it goes back to an underlying white guilt.
2. I was writing a comment on blame-shifting, but it is growing into a post. Once it is up I will link to it here:
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Uncle Milton:
The question here is not whether the police are racist, but why whites feel the need to defend and believe the police so much. That level of trust is naive and dangerous.
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Commenters like to inform me that the Arabs and even Africans traded slaves. Almost out of the blue. Why do they keep bringing this up? I think they are trying to excuse the Atlantic slave trade. But why waste your breath defending something so clearly evil? I think it goes back to an underlying white guilt.
I have seen some people… who clearly don’t have white guilt.. hate maybe.. make such comments. I would have to see the context….
I talked about the Arab slave trade on the thread about white men marrying black women in response to a woman on the thread who was talking about how unique the transatlantic slave trade was and tying this into black women marrying white men. I pretty much thought her comments were out of context. She claimed she dated white men but appeared to have a lot of anger towards whites.
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Abagond
You do realise that police are the last line of defence against anarchy. Imagine what the consequences would be if there were no police for a month in the USA. People need to be controlled!
Sure there are a couple of rotten apples as there are in the general population but you should be thankful that your law institutions are generally the best in the world.
I do realise that your perspective is very American and you have no real concept of extremely violent crime. The police do their job and you sleep save in bed at night at the end of the day.
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“It is known that ancient Nubia/Axum traded with India…”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship
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I forgot to put in how white guilt drives white race fear, so I changed the last line to this:
And why they fear black men: no matter how many they lock up they still do not feel safe.
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do realise that your perspective is very American and you have no real concept of extremely violent crime. The police do their job and you sleep save in bed at night at the end of the day.
let me ask you a quick question. when have the police ever STOPPED a crime? and like michael moore said in the book STUPID WHITE MEN, white people have a mental illness when it comes to crime, the pretend black people commit all the crimes when white people do the most sickist most horrible shit to people. in the book he says he crosses the street when he see’s a white man coming. in other words, he is one of the few white people that know about the crimes that white people do. like i said in another post: WHITE PEOPLE WILL KIDNAP YOUR CHILD, HAVE ALL KINDS OF SEX WITH HIM, FILM IT, MURDER THE CHILD AND THEN JUST THROW HIS BODY ANY OLD WHERE!! what OTHER race would do this?? the white race is the only race!!! white boys go from state to state kidnapping and killing people. white people have torture chambers in their basements. damn i could go on and on. i will ask again DO WHITE PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK THAT BLACK PEOPLE DONT KNOW ABOUT THE CRIMES WHITE PEOPLE COMMIT?? is that why you go all over the web with stupid crime statics trying to convice us that we commit more crimes? give it up white people because black people know about you.
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Uncle Milton:
‘The question here is not whether the police are racist, but why whites feel the need to defend and believe the police so much. That level of trust is naive and dangerous’.
Abagond, don’t you realize that ‘Uncle Milton’ is trying to educate us black folk? Why stick to the argument at hand when he has an opportunity to do so? You should be thankful that he is taking time out of his day to educate black folk! Sarcasm aside, these types of replies are prime examples of diverting from the topic. As to whether or not ‘Uncle Milton’ posts this stuff can be related to ‘white guilt’, I don’t know and could care less. Notice that his moniker “Uncle Milton’ carries a patronizing tone?
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jasmin
Black men gang rape six month old babies here in SA because they think it will cure them of Aids. What race would do that?
Stop being so childish in your comments. All people’s are guilty of sick behaviour. SA’s most famous serial killers and rapist’s are black.
Black men break into homes and torture people with hot irons that they plug into electrical points. They also gangrape woman in their 60’s and 70’s. Young black teenages rape their own grandmother. There have been cases where early teenage black boys have sex with goats and sheep in the rural community!!! This is documented in the local black government national Tv and newspapers. It aint white controlled!!!!
What about central Africa, where black people hack young adolesant albino children and sell it for medicine on the local traditional market (Can you imagine chopping a 10 year old girl into pieces to sell for a profit!!!
All you idiots are as guilty for racism and ignorance as the “white folk”. Put that into your blogs. Abagond!
Ya can all write yo crap and pat urselfs on da back and think you all different but at the end of the day we all the same and ya full of brainwashed BS!
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I have to agree with Wayne about this. Sick, criminal behaviour is not limited to one racial group.
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Wayne:
1. All races are capable of sick behaviour. I have never once said otherwise:
2. As Herneith pointed out in the comment right before yours, this is a common way whites have of diverting the topic: instead of talking about white people, make it about black people. I have a post on that too:
The post for this thread is about white guilt, not albinos in Tanzania.
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To Herneith:
Notice that his moniker “Uncle Milton’ carries a patronizing tone?
Quite an assumption on your part about why I use Uncle Milton. (which I had used on blogs before I ever posted here…)
I originally chose the moniker because I was arguing with a bunch of anti-Semites. (Milton Berle was Jewish as is my father…)
Abagond, don’t you realize that ‘Uncle Milton’ is trying to educate us black folk?
Another presumption on your part…. Abagond has posted several times that whites (or it seems a large majority of whites..) have a great deal of trust towards police… I can not say how most white people feel about police but among the ones I know there is not much faith in their police. I don’t where Abagond gets his information on the subject. Perhaps comments on blogs which tend to be skewed.
When a person who is not white makes a broad sweeping generalization about white people that is incongruous with my experience I will reply. (If I have the time and the person doesn’t appear flagrantly racist..)
It’s not a matter of “educating” black people but a rebuttal to his statement. If you or he would like to comment I am willing to listen or you can continue with you logical fallacies.
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To Abagond:
The post for this thread is about white guilt, not albinos in Tanzania.
Wayne was replying Jasmine’s post..do you feel her post is more on topic than his..?
She basically has repeated the same comments on multiple threads.
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Yes Uncle Milton!
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To Wayne:
All you idiots are as guilty for racism and ignorance as the “white folk”. Put that into your blogs.
No need to attack everyone Wayne.. although I may disagree with Abagond on a number of issues.. he tends to be pretty civil. Jasmine is of course a different quantity.
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To Herneith
Yes Uncle Milton!
Umm.. ok. Still open to debate about what white people think about police. From my experience, poor whites are not exactly thrilled to deal with the police, neither are most leftists. I’ve had police officers pull guns on me twice. Once while I was walking around fairly late at night in a city in Alabama and once when I was pulled over and got out of my car in Illinois. In both cases I was clean shaven and had short hair.
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Uncle Milton
Silence is an indcator of what your beliefs are and I’ve read some shocking comments against the white race, which abagond condones.
My asumption is that he believes them to be true but will not jump on the bandwagon as he also wants to be considered reasonable, unlike jasmin, who does not care and lets her hate fester!
Everyone on this blog is racist in different degrees, that’s why we are drawn here in the first place.
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I let people have their say. It does not mean I agree with what they say.
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Uncle Milton said:
Wayne was replying Jasmine’s post..do you feel her post is more on topic than his..?
The argument went like this:
Wayne: Whites feel no guilt.
Abagond: They do. You can tell by the way they defend racist policemen.
Wayne: The police are your friends.
Jasmine: Not to black people. Whites like to blame blacks for crime when it is whites who do some sick shit.
Wayne: Blacks do even sicker shit. They hack up albinos and sell them for parts.
Jasmine was still kind of on topic: white blame is part of white guilt. But it was Wayne’s defending the police – without any apparent sense of irony – that pulled the thread off topic. I should have stopped him there. But by the time he was talking about albinos it was cleary way off topic.
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But it was Wayne’s defending the police – without any apparent sense of irony
Well Wayne is from South Africa, the racial composition of the police force of SA is as follows:
Police forces of South Africa Composition
Today, the force is completely integrated. The force’s composition is:
*Black/African: 61.9%
*White: 24.0%
*Coloured: 10.6%
*Asian/Indian: 3.5%
http://en.allexperts.com/e/s/so/south_african_police_service.htm
So the majority (by US standards 72%) of people, he’s defending, when he is defending the police, are black.
The situation in SA might be quite different than in the US.
As for the Jasmine/Wayne dialogue.. I could have responded to some of Jasmine’s logical fallacies.. (a variation of which she seems to repeat quite often.. ) but I chose not to.. In my opinion Jasmine likes to bait white people and Wayne rose to the occasion.
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To Abagond:
Jasmine: Not to black people. Whites like to blame blacks for crime when it is whites who do some sick shit.
You’re paraphrasing.. she stated that only whites do certain crimes here in her own words:
“what OTHER race would do this?? the white race is the only race!!!
Which is false.. as Black&German also recognized.
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Right, it was a paraphrase. Wayne said something like that too:
Black men gang rape six month old babies here in SA because they think it will cure them of Aids. What race would do that?
Where I part company with both Wayne and Jasmine is in thinking any one race is uniquely evil or sick. Blacks and whites and people everywhere have the same underlying human nature with all the good and bad that that brings. Whites have done way more evil in the past 500 years but that is only because they have had way more power.
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To Abagond:
Right, it was a paraphrase. Wayne said something like that too..
True… I took it as his quid pro quo towards Jasmine.. he did at least say “All people’s are guilty of sick behaviour.”
From this comment to me:
Silence is an indcator of what your beliefs are and I’ve read some shocking comments against the white race…
I gather that he hasn’t been on many blogs in the US that discuss race.. or . umm.. who knows.
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“Whites have done way more evil in the past 500 years but that is only because they have had way more power.”
Oh, no way! That struck a nerve.
Please don’t make me dredge up Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Charles Taylor, Robert Mugabe, or Mao Zedong. Evil knows no color or nationality. Those guys make my English slave-owning ancestors look like teddy bears. There’s just no comparison. And they were slaughtering THEIR OWN PEOPLE. Somehow, in my eyes at least, it makes it that much worse.
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Black men gang rape six month old babies here in SA because they think it will cure them of Aids. What race would do that?
Stop being so childish in your comments. All people’s are guilty of sick behaviour. SA’s most famous serial killers and rapist’s are black.
Black men break into homes and torture people with hot irons that they plug into electrical points. They also gangrape woman in their 60’s and 70’s. Young black teenages rape their own grandmother. There have been cases where early teenage black boys have sex with goats and sheep in the rural community!!! This is documented in the local black government national Tv and newspapers. It aint white controlled!!!!
What about central Africa, where black people hack young adolesant albino children and sell it for medicine on the local traditional market (Can you imagine chopping a 10 year old girl into pieces to sell for a profit!!!
All you idiots are as guilty for racism and ignorance as the “white folk”. Put that into your blogs. Abagond!
Ya can all write yo crap and pat urselfs on da back and think you all different but at the end of the day we all the same and ya full of brainwashed BS!
OH I AM LATE LATE LATE RESPONDING TO THIS ISHH!!!!!!! THAT RAPING BABIES BULL PROVED TO BE AN INTERNET HOAX !!!! AND THE ONLY OHTER THING I CAN SAY ABOUT THEM LIES YOU ARE PRINTING ABOUT BLACK CRIME IS TWO WORDS!! SOUTH AFRICA!!!!! OF COURSE WHITE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PRINT LIES ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE TO MAKE YOURSELVES LOOK GOOD!!! HA HA HA DO YOU THINK FOR 1 NATURAL ASS MINUTE I BELIEVED ANTTHING YOU SAID ABOUT MY SOUTH AFRICA SISTERS AND BROTHERS ??? YOU FORGOT TO SAY SOUTH AFRICAN BLACK PEOPLE EAT OTHER PEOPLE TOO!!! WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD BELIEVE ANYTHING SOMEONE FROM SOUTH AFRICA SAYS NEGATIVE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE???? YOU MUST BE A FOOL TO THINK FOR 1 MINUTE BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA BELIEVE THAT SHIGGITY YOU JUST TYPED!!!!!
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remember if we were anything but peaceful YOUR WHITE ASSES WOULDNT BE IN CHARGE!!!!!!
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Uncle Milton said:
From this comment to me:
Silence is an indcator of what your beliefs are and I’ve read some shocking comments against the white race…
I gather that he hasn’t been on many blogs in the US that discuss race.. or . umm.. who knows.
I am shocked that he, Wayne, is shocked.
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jasmine:
You are a waste of time!
abagond:
It’s an expression mate! This is a blog that generaly has civil debates. Therefore I do not expect idiots to be given space for such pathetic comments as jasmine.
However you do condone hatefull, afro-centric and anti-white comments here but crack down and delete anti-black comments which is a blight against your blog and you.
As thoughtful and intellegent as you are, you are just the same as all racists at the end of the day.
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Listen:
This is a very sensitive subject.
Being a white male, I get SICK and TIRED of blacks blaming their problems on whites.
It happened 150 years ago!!!! Move on people!!
Yes it’s okay to talk about issues here and there, but quit living in the past and move on!
NO white person TODAY has ANYTHING to do with your shortcomings. I am sorry and apologize for what my ancestors did and the stage that was set forth today.
Black people need to QUIT blaming whites for their problems. It’s too easy because we are white.
No job? Blame the whites. No money? Blame the whites. No rights? Blame the whites. No equal opportunity? Blame the whites.
I am tired of certain blacks who put all their issues upon whites when not one of us has anything to do with your past. It’s just to easy to blame the whites.
Instead of blaming us, why waste your energy when you could easily get off your lazy @ss and do something about it?
I forgot, it’s too easy to blame the whites.
Sorry if my comments seem disturbing, but I do not apologize nor will I for having my opinion.
All of us need to quit living in the past, and look at the present to see what WE all can do to better ourselves.
Living in negativity only brings forth negativity.
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woah…azrazyel you need to calm it down again. Firstly there is alot going on today, alot of systematic racism that is targeted against minorities. The wealth that was generated from the past due to slavery and the systematic disadvantage of blacks was subsequently passed on to the descendants of the whites who owned slaves/land. So yes slavery does still have a direct impact on blacks of today. You look at situations like in w.africa with the cocoa/rice trade and basically the forced slavery that goes on by european/american subsidized countries and you’ll know yes…there is still systematic racism. please do some more research and think before you just comment.
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I really don’t want to take the time to research.
I base on what I personally see/hear and go forth from there.
I’m just basing this from my perceptions from what I have come to know. Not a worldwide view.
Yes it is saddening when I see other countries still fallen victim to the past.
But what I said only pertains to certain blacks speaking it. In no way am I saying all of them do that.
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ok
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Azrazyel said:
I’m just basing this from my perceptions from what I have come to know. Not a worldwide view.
You do not perceive racism, except for the more extreme cases, because it does not affect you directly.
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Yes I know that abagond!
It does not affect me directly.
Only enough to complain on a blog such as this.
Just saying that the shortcomings from ‘some’ (not all) albeit it is difficult, ‘some’ (not all) need to quit blaming the white people for their issues.
Complaining won’t get you anywhere. Doing something about it is a whole different story.
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Excerpt from Stuff White People Do blog,
Post Topic:Stuff White People Do
-Think that racism is dead
-They (many WP) focus on individual attitudes—racially hostile attitudes—so as to limit the scope of racism to the hearts and minds of benighted souls.
-Not systematic discrimination in housing, the criminal justice system, education, employment.
-Not racism with any kind of heft or history to it, but just attitudes.
-That way, anyone can be racist and all racisms are equal.
-They can say, “Hey, racism is a 2-way street!” That’s their new favorite saying
-Nowadays, only biological white supremacy, racial slurs (especially the “N’ word”), and explicit racial violence will get a white person labeled a racist.
-Therefore, many whites respond to charges of racism by saying things like, “I’m not a racist…Some of my best friends are black…I’ve never enslaved any black people or terrorized them with dogs and firehoses…I’ve never burned a cross on a black family’s lawn or called anyone ‘N.’”
-You see? Nazis and Klansmen are the only racist whites from this perspective.
-This isn’t the only view, but it’s been the default for decades.
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You got that right.
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abagond: Shelbey Steele coined the term “white guilt” I believe…doesn’t that kind of debunk your argument that it is just a tool used by the right?
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White guilt = fear. Fear that blacks will someday do to them what they have done to us.
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Interesting post! I think i have been able to relate with the content of it in the past. It came part and parcel with a family who didn’t properly prepare me for injustice – it was something that i had to shake out of myself, at least nominally, over the course of my somewhat short lifetime. Nonetheless, i think a lot of the white posters on this website will be able to relate to the content of this post. Especially, the trolls.
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Liberals and democrats started the kkk, started teh confederate states so they could keep slaves and invented welfare to keep black people poor. Republicans are anti slavery and pro business which equals more jobs for everyone. Why would a black person vote democrat? Learn your history.
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I am a little confused…someone on another blog site said “I don’t know Sister poor Michelle she sounds like she is suffering from White guilt.”…I really do not know how to respond to that. I searched it and everything I have read is bad and pertaining to liberals. I am not a liberal…but I do feel horrible when I read life experiences. I feel compassion…I did not realize that was wrong. I don’t understand how I can be put in a stereotype of “white guilt” , I read where that term was started by racist white people that used it as a way criticize white people that defended black rights and did go along with white racist views…so I am so confused. Can anyone tell me how having compassion for people is wrong?
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sorry I meant to say “did not go along with racist views”
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Ummm gee maybe it has something to do with the fact that most of the people who have physically attacked me at random, have been black. I was born in 1988 up North and am a child of politically correct liberals. What does that make me?
Affirmative action? I’m all for it. BET network? Well sure, us whites have every other single channel out there and its about time black people had their own network.
But when it comes to making excuses for physical violence, unless the person attacking me is LITERALLY starving with his ribs showing, of course I’m a scared racist, when I hear those comments from other white liberals I almost wanna start a militia my own damn self just like them country boys.
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Tim Wise needs to pay for my mother’s broken arm. She wasn’t attacked for being WHITE. She was attacked for being POOR and having to work late nights, and not having a car and so she had to walk through the snow.
She was attacked for being POOR, regardless of the race of the attackers, I’ve dealt with black female neighbors getting jumped.
Maybe redirect some angry urban white folks, to black people in the neighborhood who are angry at the same problem? A lot of black folks are willing to help out troubled youth, but not when they get violent toward women of ANY color.
There’s no law saying that being an anti-racist ally and defending affirmitive action has to be done in a violent way. Violence against black people was wrong then, violence is wrong now.
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As for the country white folks who are mad, especially in white areas, they really are racist and I”m saying that as a poor white person who has visited my rural, more well-to-do truck-owning counterparts from time to time. They claim not to be racist but as an educated liberal you know how that goes.
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-Think that racism is dead NOPE I am well aware that store owners, bus drivers, and others treat me better because I’m white.
-They (many WP) focus on individual attitudes—racially hostile attitudes—so as to limit the scope of racism to the hearts and minds of benighted souls. What am I supposed to focus on?
-Not systematic discrimination in housing, the criminal justice system, education, employment. Nope, its there, I’ve witnessed it.
-Not racism with any kind of heft or history to it, but just attitudes. Nope I know that it is a tradition.
-That way, anyone can be racist and all racisms are equal. Not necessarily. Black people suffer more racism than white pepole.
-They can say, “Hey, racism is a 2-way street!” That’s their new favorite saying
Racism against white people is RARE. If it amounts to physical violence, by all means, it should be taken seriously. While using “the word” should be worse than using the word “honkey”, there should still be SOME punishment for a schoolchild of one color to racially ridicule a child of another color, even if black people doing it isn’t “racist” that doesn’t make it ok.
Should a white student calling a black student “n” get MORE punishment than the word “honkey”? YES. Does that mean that honkey should get NO punishment? NO.
I don’t see how this is racist and I am NOT saying that in the “deeerrrpp black people are the real racists deerrrrrp” sense. I’m saying that from the perspective of a supporter of affirmative action.
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I think your reading into defensiveness in the wrong way often times my brother brings up slavery before he brings up modern racism which cause me to get defincensive as I feel like I’m being blamed nobody likes to be blamed. As I was explaining on your white pride page im of jewish and German heritage how am I supposed to feel its very weird am I supposed to feel guilty and pissed off at myself for what happened to my own great grandmother. We are a blended nation.all civilizations throughout history have skeletons in there closets I believe some people have white guilt but however guilt is only good if your the one directly responsible for it or can change it somehow. Slavery was awful Nazis were terrible it was all horrible and terrible I don’t excuse any of it but nobody can change it. Gay bashing is terrible domestic violence is terrible treating somebody badly becuse they are diffent right now is terrible and there is still a chance we can do a part to change it . The first thing we could do is to focus on right now what can we do to stop what’s happening now not the past even though we should Never forget the past. My brothers and I went to the same school we all lived in the ghetto my brother being a athlete went to college and isn’t in the ghetto any longer I’m still here. Not all poor people are black friend most black people aren’t poor any more. white people can be poor too. thought you speak as if they can’t be. My son gets just as hungry as my nephew does when we are broke. When my neighbors and I would collect cans to get a new pair of shoes we weren’t black and white we were poor. Why divide ourselves. And what exactly do we do now
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How can I help stop systematic racism and discrimination and give my son and nephew a better world I really sincerely want to know is there anything I can do?
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I mean look at some of these posts all angry at each other why not just stop fighting and try to fix the problem a certain few people want control want to keep others down they turn us against each other so we keep each other down so white people think all black people blame them for there problems so they don’t see systematic racism. And so black people think all white people have a hand in the process so they don’t see that they aren’t the enemy. Its a touchy subject I know but still. The system is going to keep everyone who is poor disabled non strait female and non Aryan down if people don’t work together.
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[…] As an African, I can always sense that the white man wants to be free from the guilt, and consequenlty has developed numerous tactics of dealing with the white Guilt. […]
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There is no reason for anyone to feel guilty about being born with white skin. I mean, we weren’t consulted before we were born. None of us, white or black, chose our skin color. What we can do is use our influence to stay informed and open to what people of other races have to say, be empathetic, and speak out against racism in any form. What has been done to blacks in this country is HORRENDOUS. However, guilt is an individual thing. My parents and grandparents on both sides came to the U.S. in the 20th century. I was never taught any form of racism. However, many whites are and it is sad. My white family has actually experienced being treated badly for not agreeing and acting like many whites do concerning race. Ignorance and lack of empathy for others is a major problem. So is selfishness. We have to care about others as we care about ourselves.
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@ Lisa
I think you misunderstood the term – white guilt. To keep it plain and simple, ‘white guilt’ is NOT about feeling guilty about being born white, it’s about the inherited guilt of whites benefiting from things that black people had to march, fight, and die for. In America, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Jews didn’t have to go through the things that blacks and other people of color had to go through. Instead, the descendants of these European immigrants were part of a white American melting pot.
Lisa, I highly recommend that you read these books:
Also, click on these links:
http://randleusfederman.weebly.com/african-americans.html
http://randleusfederman.weebly.com/asians.html
The above links show the many barriers whites set up to prevent Black and Asian-Americans from enjoying their piece of the American pie. I can’t say the same for the European immigrants who flocked to the ‘land of the free’ at the turn of the 20th century.
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http://randleusfederman.weebly.com/african–americans.html
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“Hari Kondabolu on “Racism vs. White Guilt” ”
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8eUkp0Ak4U)
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