The first Biden-Trump debate in 2024 was hosted by CNN on June 27th. The two debated twice in 2020, the last time they both ran for US president. Their parties have not yet officially named them as candidates for 2024.
Overall: Biden lost. Biden seemed every bit like the 81-year-old man that he is – and his age is one of the main issues in the campaign! If the debate had appeared in print with a fact check, he would have won. But that was not how it was presented in front of the two-thirds of voters who said they would watch it on television.
The polls going into the debate: Real Clear Politics average for June 3rd to 25th 2024:
- Biden: 45.1%
- Trump: 46.6% – up by 1.5 points
The visual:
- Biden: looking lost, bewildered.
- Trump: confident, impatient.
Fact check: number of false or misleading statements according to CNN:
- Biden: 9
- Trump: 30
On Black America:
- Biden: could not even fill the two minutes given to him.
- Trump: seemed to say even less.
Quotes:
- Biden: (talking about the national debt:) “We’d be able to right wipe out his debt. We’d be able to help make sure that all those things we need to do – childcare, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our healthcare system, making sure that we’re able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I’ve been able to do with the – with – with – with the COVID. Excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with – look, if – [says nothing for six seconds, then:] – we finally beat Medicare.” – embarrassing “senior moment”.
- Trump: (on whether he would respect the results of the election, after being asked three times:) “If it’s a fair and legal and good election – absolutely. I would have much rather accepted these but the fraud and everything else was ridiculous that if you want, we’ll have a news conference on it in a week or we’ll have another one of these on – in a week.” – not reassuring because there was no evidence of fraud last time, yet he did not accept the result.
Trump seemed much sharper than Biden – but he was making up stuff and avoided questions by going back to an earlier topic. He said little to nothing about climate change, Black America, the opioid epidemic or how he would deal with the wars in Ukraine and Gaza. He kept on about immigrants, saying stuff like:
“He [Biden] decided to open up our border, open up our country to people that are from prisons, people that are from mental institutions, insane asylum, terrorists.”
Age: Biden is 81, Trump is 78, only three years younger. But Trump seemed no worse than when he was, say, 40, while Biden seemed much worse than he did just months ago when he gave the State of the Union speech. Maybe it was an off night – Obama lost his first debate with Mitt Romney in 2012. He has four months and another debate to prove other.
Convicted felon: Trump is a convicted felon, the first to run for US president. Biden pointed that out but was unable to make the blow land.
– Abagond, 2024.
See also:
- past debates:
- 2020: Biden-Trump I, Biden-Trump II
- 2012: Obama-Romney I
- CNN
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abagond,
Glad to see you back in form and getting posts up quickly after important events!
I gotta say, though, that this post misses the mark. Why are you still carrying water for Genocide Joe? You are basically saying, hey Joe lost, but he would have won if the debate were in print (really? with the quote you yourself provided from Joe?). Also, maybe just “an off night”? Comparing his performance to Obama v. Romney? Really?!!
You didn’t even mention all of the talk about potentially replacing Biden on the ticket, and there was a ton of it from all around the Democratic party. Easy to find many examples, but here’s one:
https://x.com/TheYoungTurks/status/1806536752175452265
“not reassuring because there was no evidence of fraud last time, yet he did not accept the result”. Lolz… still at this? Please. At a MINIMUM, if you’re honest, you should admit that the CIA intentional interference in the election (now admitted that they lied about Hunter’s laptop being Russian disinfo and forced the major media platforms to censor what they knew was the damning truth about the Bidens right before the election) severely compromised the election and fed into Jan 6.
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Sadly, the debate may have overshadowed a master class in dealing with the MSM:
https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1806034521369776406
check out the whole thing if you haven’t already.
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I swear, both major parties are going to keep running these cranky senile old fogies for president until the Millennials are firmly in their 40s, and then skip right over Gen X. Once again it’s like we don’t even exist.
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@ Solitaire
Oh so true!
I’m sick of voting for the “lesser evil” or voting 3rd party.
There should be age and term limits for all three branches of government. No more lifetime judicial appointments.
They’ve actually had to shoo some senators out of Congress (like Feinstein-D-CA) who were well past their sell by date.
Old as dirt and too arrogant to bow out gracefully!
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@ Afrofem
Do we have to stop with age, or can we put a temporary hold on all White men?
200+ years of having the government all to themselves, and I am so tired of seeing their faces and listening to their jabbering.
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Solitaire,
You don’t even see the massive hypocrisy in your short responses above!
You are worried that your particular generation (Gen X) will get skipped over in leadership positions. Yet, in the very next statement, you yourself advocate skipping over all young “White men”. Unbelievable.
This actually already happens. When there are DEI requirements (effectively quotas), the White men who already have good jobs keep their heads down and keep their jobs. New positions go to diversity hires. Younger White men just starting out are SOL and often can’t support a family, but no one cares as long as the quotas get met–least of all you who are actually advocating the insane position that no White men should be added to government positions in a still majority White country.
If you had kids, you’d be worried about the opportunities they will have, much worse on average than early Gen Xers like yourself (as I’ve said many times, it’s clear that opportunities to buy a home, start a family and enjoy the American Dream have gotten further out of reach for each generation after the Boomers). Instead, you are worried purely about yourself and your generation. You’re no better than the out of touch Boomers you despise.
And you live in a majority White country in a majority White area (based on what you’ve said before) by choice and this is what you really think of White people. You can’t even imagine someone publicly saying, let’s put a “temporary hold” on all black sportsball players or a temporary hold on all jewish bankers, but you can make your ridiculous statement without fear of repercussions, even as you decry supposed “White” power (and pretend to believe it’s just coincidence that all these politicians have “baby-sitters” from one particular foreign country and no others).
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Karma. I remember the joy over Soviet gerontology. Where’s the American sense of humor now?
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@ Solitaire
I feel you.
From my vantage point, there are also plenty of regressive, reactionary Black men who need to be put on “hold”.
Some of them, along with their White counterparts, have been lodged in the centers of power well past their sell by dates.
The graybeards in the Congressional Black Caucus come to mind.
Like the White politicians-for-life who claim to represent you, they are all about power and perks for themselves and their immediate kin.
They don’t even try to hide their disdain for their “constituents” any longer.
Their venality is on full display for all to see.
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Speaking of “jabbering”, I’m also ready to see the back of their media enablers.
On the local and national levels, so-called journalists act as stenographers and propagandists to those in power.
They turn the original purpose of journalism on it’s head by literally (not figuratively) afflicting the afflicted and comforting the comfortable.
The only glimmer of hope in this situation is the slow, steady unmasking of these mountebanks in this historical moment.
People have to actually see the unabashed ugliness of those in power before they respond.
It is no accident that right-wing think tanks have been trying their darnedest to muddy the meaning of the term “woke”.
That term was originally used by Black Twitter to describe the state of being politically awakened and seeing the whole system of oppression ⎯ aware all of the “isms” that operate in our lives.
Nothing scares right-wing think tanks and their funders more than an awakened and aroused population unwilling to fall for their divisive propaganda any longer.
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Well, at least Kamala Harris is a brilliant orator. What can be unburdened by what has been.
https://gab.com/NeonRevolt/posts/112700720174945499
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@ biff
Well, aren’t you outraged. You, from the one demographic that has never been legally restricted from holding the highest office in the land. You have no idea what it’s like to grow up gazing over that long line of presidents where not a one of them looks like you. You have no idea what it feels like for your demographic to have been excluded for hundreds of years of your own nation’s history.
“Younger White men just starting out are SOL and often can’t support a family”
Everyone in the younger generation is affected, not just Whites, yet repeatedly you only bring up young White men.
“as I’ve said many times, it’s clear that opportunities to buy a home, start a family and enjoy the American Dream have gotten further out of reach for each generation after the Boomers”
People of color have been managing for generations to raise families without buying homes or enjoying the American Dream. And throughout most of U.S. history, many Whites didn’t own their home. During the 1800s, between 30% to 50% of city dwellers lived in boarding houses—that’s not even taking into account single-family apartments. And yes, many boarding houses accepted families with small children. Your “white picket fence” American Dream of suburban Whiteopia is a product of the post-WW2 economy and real estate advertising campaigns. It is a relatively recent aspirational goal in U.S. history, and it’s not ecologically sustainable.
If you want to get down to brass tacks, it’s been harder for every generation to achieve that “dream” since the WW2 generation. They no doubt had it hard in their early life and during the war, but they were the young generation enabled to live that suburban dream of the 1950s, and to a lesser extent the Silents who followed them. But things started getting rough again quickly. You mentioned the part of the nation I live in. Have you ever read about the farm crisis of the 1980s? Do you know how that crisis destroyed not just individual families but whole communities throughout “the great flyover”? It was mostly Silents and Boomers who were impacted; they were the ones raising young families then.
And why do you think people here would care very much about young White men not being able to buy houses? You write about it like you’re weeping over the sheer injustice, like the very idea should move everyone to tears.
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@ Afrofem
Yes, I wrote that knowing full well I was exaggerating for effect. There certainly are regressive reactionaries in every demographic. Not to mention outright loons like Marjorie Taylor Greene (a Gen Xer and a woman, but not one I would want anywhere near the atomic briefcase).
Biff makes blanket statements that he means literally, like rounding up POCs into racially-segregated enclaves or halting all immigration of non-White peoples. So it figures he can’t recognize when someone else is using a blanket statement to just blow off steam.
I would be perfectly fine with never having any more White or male politicians for the rest of my lifetime. Let women of color run everything! But realistically I know even if that scenario came to pass, there would still be some conservative politicians who I wouldn’t agree with.
“On the local and national levels, so-called journalists act as stenographers and propagandists to those in power.”
Too true.
“That term was originally used by Black Twitter”
Isn’t “woke” older than that? Doesn’t it go back to at least the Great Depression? Although I can see how Black Twitter could have brought the term into broader public awareness.
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@ Gro Jo
Wasn’t that the same time that we had Alzheimer Reagan as president?
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/kamala-harris-standby-democrats-plunge-220011680.html
“Kamala Harris on standby as Democrats plunge into panic mode”
Is this happening? Wow…
Solitaire, you are doubling down on the hypocrisy. Older Whites were so privileged, therefore it’s fine to skip younger Whites and have them disproportionately pushed out of jobs for the sake of DEI, but oh no when it affects me (Boomers in positions of power) it’s so unfair!
Now living the American dream is “not ecologically sustainable”, so it’s good that there will be more poor peasants (ever notice how wealthy climate change activists never want to ban private jets?). You will own nothing and you will be happy. Eat the bugz, lolz!!!
The US was a White supermajority country for almost all of its history. In black supermajority countries, most people in power are black (yes, South Africa was an exception in the past) in asian supermajority countries most people in power are asian. I’ve said I’d rather live in a country where my people are in the majority. There’s nothing abnormal about that at all if one considers human history honestly. Forced DEI for its own said is, as you might put it, “a relatively recent aspirational goal”.
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@ biff
“Solitaire, you are doubling down on the hypocrisy. Older Whites were so privileged, therefore it’s fine to skip younger Whites and have them disproportionately pushed out of jobs for the sake of DEI”
You’re putting words in my mouth. Afrofem and I were discussing the three branches of government. You’ve exaggerated that into pushing younger Whites out of all jobs everywhere. And as I said upthread, I wasn’t seriously advocating even banning White men from government positions, just letting off steam.
With my initial comment, though, I only suggested barring White men, not all Whites. You could still be represented in all three branches by people of your own race, just not males.
“but oh no when it affects me (Boomers in positions of power) it’s so unfair!”
I didn’t say that, either. I’m pretty much resigned that my generation is going to get skipped over for the presidency (not for all positions of power). It almost happened to the Silents. Depending on which cutoff years you go by, Biden is either a very late Silent or a very early Boomer. The Silents never got a president who was not a cusper, amd they never got one while still in their prime years. Many of them didn’t live to see Biden’s presidency, considering they mostly were even older than Biden—so as far as they were concerned, they never had a president of their own generation. This has been a historical pattern for the so-called “reactive” generations, and all indicators suggest that Gen X is likely to have the same outcome vis-a-vis the presidency.
“I’ve said I’d rather live in a country where my people are in the majority.”
And I’ve said you can go back to Europe any time.
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@ Solitaire
That may be the case. I only became aware of the term through Black Twitter and Black blogs in the 2000s and 2010s.
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@ Solitaire
What Biff and his ilk like to forget is how prior to the 1980s farm crisis, many independent farmers and rural communities had functional economies that provided jobs and housing for local residents in “the great flyover”.
Nearly every American small town had a grocery store, hardware store, gas station and diner that employed local residents.
In farm country, there were also farm equipment dealers, feed stores and roadside stands selling produce.
Those (predominantly White) economies were devastated by the one-two punch of sky high Federal Reserve interest rate hikes and later, the incursion of Walmart.
It wasn’t Affirmative Action or Diversity initiatives that mortally wounded Main Street, it was wealthy White people on Wall Street and corporate boardrooms pulling the rug out from under working class White folk.
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Interesting article about the history of the word, “woke:
https://www.goodto.com/family/family-news/what-does-woke-mean-origins-definition
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“@ Gro Jo
Wasn’t that the same time that we had Alzheimer Reagan as president?”
It was, the Democrats made a ‘bipartisan’ pact to hide that fact. Biden is getting no such courtesy.
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The above is incorrect, the jubilation regarding Soviet gerontology predated Reagan. Reagan was an emulation of that trend.
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A little more on the history of “woke”
https://web.archive.org/web/20220510164352/https://believermag.com/kashana-cauley-word-woke/
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Thanks Solitaire.
Good to learn more.
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“it was wealthy White people on Wall Street and corporate boardrooms pulling the rug out from under working class White folk”
You are so close to getting it, Afrofem. Do you know why they shut down Occupy Wallstreet type activity after 2011? It hit a little too close to home. One percenter is not too far from two percenter.
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NY Times Editorial Board Urges Biden To Quit Race – Did Trump Administer Premature Kill Shot?
Thursday night’s presidential debate mortally wounded President Biden’s political career, and now the New York Times has hammered a significant nail in the coffin — publishing an editorial bluntly declaring that “the greatest public service Mr. Biden can now perform is to announce that he will not continue to run for re-election.”
With this development, Biden’s departure from November ballots is taking on an air of inevitability. At the same time, Team Trump is reckoning with what may have been a strategic error — enabling a premature kill shot that could leave Trump facing a worse matchup.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ny-times-editorial-board-urges-biden-quit-race-did-trump-administer-premature-kill-shot
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Yet, you and your fellow right-wingers continue to furiously punch down on the powerless masses of Black and Brown people instead of the powerful few.
You mouth the word “elites” but avoid confronting them at all costs.
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