Biden wins! On a Saturday afternoon, November 7th 2020, after three long days of counting mail-in ballots, Biden at long last has won enough states to become the next US president.
Kamala Harris will be the first woman vice president – 100 years after women got the right to vote. And the first Black woman. She stands a good chance of becoming president some day. Truman, Nixon, Lyndon Johnson, Ford, Bush I, and Biden himself were all vice presidents.
But the US is not out of the woods yet. Trump is still president till January 20th and there is no telling what he might do. He still claims he won the election. He has put up a non-scalable wall round the White House and will not promise a peaceful transfer of power.
Trump’s many lawsuits seem to be going nowhere. So far. He cries fraud but has no facts to back it up. The aim is to get one of his lawsuits up to the Supreme Court where Republicans have a 6-to-3 majority. If they throw out enough votes, Trump wins.
Trump could screw up the Electoral College. Like by getting Republican state lawmakers to send in their own slate of electors. Or somehow delaying electoral votes. That would likely throw the election to the House of Representatives, where each state would get one vote. There are more red states than blue states. Trump wins again.
Right-wing terrorists (known as “militias” by the White Liberal press) are also a wild card. They have already tried to kidnap and execute a governor! Trump has already told the Proud Boys to “stand by”. They could either amount to nothing – or dog the US for years or decades to come. In the short term, that will largely depend on Donald Trump.
If Trump gives a concession speech that will be huge. It is one of those Norms of Democracy that people in the US took for granted in the days before Trump. It is not required by the Constitution. If necessary, Trump can be removed from the White House after 12 noon on January 20th by the Secret Service as a trespasser. But if he concedes, then most of his 70 million supporters will accept the outcome of the election.
After Trump comes Mitch McConnell. He is the Senate Majority Leader. If Republicans keep control of the Senate, McConnell remains in charge. McConnell could block all federal judges and Supreme Court justices Biden might name, and even Biden’s picks for his own cabinet. He can block all his legislation. Biden, as an old-school senator, is used to compromise. McConnell is used to obstruction. Biden is also a Wall Street lackey. Therefore, most likely Biden will in effect become a moderate Republican – unless he faces huge protests from the left.
And MAGA Land is going nowhere. Their threats of emigration are probably overblown. And Trump will still be out there whipping them up. Or someone like him. His defeat in 2020 was not enough to discredit Trump or Trumpism.
– Abagond, 2020.
See also:
- Immediate reactions to other election victories:
- 2008: Obama wins!!!
- 2016: The Trump Era
- US Election Day 2020
- predictions:
- the next few months: Predictions for the 2020 US election
- the next 100 years: The future of race in the US
- Donald Trump
- Mitch McConnel
- Joe Biden
- Kamala Harris
- electoral college
- White Liberals
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This is no victory, really. Just a polite, even more pernicious version of what’s been going on since 1492.
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He hasn’t won, but is only projected to win and be elected, according to the polls. On December 14th, according to the official, legal procedure, the Electoral College will meet to cast their electoral votes and choose the president who will be inaugurated on January 20th. Then there’s the Supreme Court, that could force a recount of legal votes, especially seeing the Democrat swing states conducting malevolent behavior such as blocking the windows of the ballot counting, not allowing certain poll watchers approaching from a certain distance (I guess poll watchers need binoculars now), and and hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots with the vast majority being for Biden being counted into the official polls at 5AM with no poll watchers present – definitely not sus guys! Just move along! No investigation needed! No court case needed! Move along boys! The Democrats think people are honestly stupid, and think they can somehow refute the clear videos of their nefarious behaviour with their “fact-checkers” which don’t even refute what they claim to be disproving and have essentially turned into leftist apologist blogs. So much for neutrality and fairness. Neutrality and fairness are a virtue in our time. Nobody is above the law, not the leftists, not the conservatives, not Biden, and not Trump – evidence and the truth shall triumph above all else. Period.
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A sober assessment of the facts.
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“And MAGA Land is going nowhere. Their threats of emigration are probably overblown.”
Where are they threatening to go? Not Canada, right?
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“And MAGA Land is going nowhere. Their threats of emigration are probably overblown.”
Where are they threatening to go? Not Canada, right?
Something to think about. If you add family members to Trumpsters they would number around 145 million people. The same population size of Russia.
So they won’t go anywhere since their community size would make them the ninth largest country in the world.
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The election of Biden is only step 1.
The U.S. is like a patient that was bleeding to death. Biden is merely the applied tourniquet, but the patient still needs treatment. The patient still needs a blood transfusion. This transfusion is the enormous task of winning the two Senate seats in Georgia, or else a Republican-led Senate can paralyze another Democratic presidency …and Mitch McConnell will be a de facto co-President.
After we recover from the heady gin of Biden’s election, progressives have to focus laser-like on Georgia: anything less than a sweep is a loss.
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We need the two run off Senate Seats in Georgia. Then McConnell will no longer be Senate Leader and Biden can get things done.
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Trumpism is not gone it will just morph into something more insidious.
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I hope the new administration remembers the Native American population in Arizona that helped them to victory.
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This is all a scripted reality. This is far from over. Biden is the projected winner. Trump will sue and claim voter fraud. The court might overturn the election and claim Trump as the winner. They’ll be riots in the streets. They will lockdown the entire country. If people disobey there will be martial law. They will try to round up people and put them in quarantine camps. You don’t think so? Watch the film Contagion from 2011. It shows the whole plan. It’s called predictive programming. I could be wrong. But if you watch the film you’ll see it looks like we’re headed that way. If that happens they can usher in the New World order. It’s called order out of chaos. We’re living in scary times my friends. Be prepared and protect yourself. God bless 🙏🏾
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This is a fitting end to Trumps campaign. lol
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/i-saw-donald-trump-s-presidency-come-crashing-down-at-four-seasons-total-landscaping-b1699962.html
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Also Black women are the backbone of the Democratic Party. Black women helped Biden-Harris secure this victory. Black women who are the most disrespected and ignored in American society helped save our democracy. Black women get things done.
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A perfect storm of discontent helped Trump to become president and I don’t think a Biden presidency automatically implies that the underlying issues will be addressed. In fact, people like John Kasich are already encouraging Biden to marginalize democrats deemed “too progressive”, such as AOC.
Having been made irrelevant in the GOP by Trumpism some republicans will be trying to colonize the democratic party to shift it further right. So Biden will be pulled from both directions and I think his natural inclination is to be willing to defer to republicans
We probably have to look a little back into history to contextualize our time. I wasn’t in the mood to say too much so, seeking economy of expression, I started out with a list … and it became something else.
Fractious election: G.W is chief.
Umpteens dead: September of grief.
Calls for blood: Invasions galore.
Killings abroad: Economy’s poor.
Elections anew: Obama contends.
Relief arrives: for Wall Street friends!
Yells for Change: Let’s “Occupy” them!
‘Twas put down: Mayor’s one of ’em.
So we arrive at a point of inflection,
A female vies for presidential election.
Forget that she’s an iffy selection,
Entangled in probes, corrupt perception,
And status quo in a State of insurrection…
Trump wins! “Russia sins!”
Up goes, people’s woes.
Reign’s done, Biden’s won.
Eh shart, back at the start !?
That sums up how I feel having experienced all those things.
Loud “solutions” such as a black president, a female president, a blatantly racist president are all distractions which differ only in whom they appeal to. In the end, they all give tax cuts and bailouts to those who really pay them while some Americans get mad and look for someone powerless to scapegoat for it all.
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Anyway, Trump being forced out of the presidency after one term is a net positive and I hope that the right lessons will be learned from this era.
As Mary stated, the dem. party can’t afford to take votes for granted. If it doesn’t find a way to start delivering for the people doing the voting, who knows what 2024 will bring.
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I noticed in the news today that Biden and his group are already meeting, organizing and deciding their first steps of their administration.
Is this right? Are they not supposed to wait for the clearance of the legal challenges advanced by Trump and even in the case they win, to wait until inauguration day in January 2021?
Why the hurry?
Because Covid-9 can’t wait? Hardly. This problem will take time to be dealt with, anyway. I don’t understand all this hurry.
Proceeding in this way, their opponents will claim that they are “going too thirsty to the pot” and it will appear that they behave like Trump in reverse (Trump is being too “calm” to move, in the probably last days of his presidency)
P.S.:
In our corner of the world some intellectuals continue to make some fun of the USA. “They are like us, here in Africa. Elections are heavily contested and a President is refusing to let the Presidency… and the supposed winners are eager to take the seat of Presidency. Too African-like processes…”
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@munubantu
I’m not sure Biden is doing anything too out of the ordinary here (of course, the pandemic itself is unusual). The new president will be inaugurated in January but the country must continue to be governed in the interim and the new administration is expected to “hit the ground running”. The outgoing administration is usually facilitating the transition at this time.
As reported in this Fox news article, Obama was already meeting with Trump to discuss the transition on November 10, 2016, after Hilary Clinton conceded.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-trump-meet-at-white-house-discuss-transition-of-power
What’s different is that Trump hasn’t conceded and we don’t know if/when he will. Yeah, that’s very “tinpot dictator” in style.
Also relevant is the Presidential Transition Act:
https://presidentialtransition.org/publications/presidential-transition-act-summary/
So, by law, the president-elect starts getting treated like the president in some ways as soon after the election as possible. He or she already starts getting national security briefings.
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If I remember correctly, in another contested election, George W. Bush started his transition team while the vote recounts were still on-going.
The big difference then was neither candidate — Bush or Gore — was an incumbent president refusing to leave the White House.
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@ Munubantu
Here is a link to an interview with the director of a nonpartisan organization that supports policies to enable a smooth presidential transition:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/politics/trump-biden-transition-of-power-delay/index.html
Among his major points:
⚬The federal government is too large and complex for candidates to wait until after Election Day to start planning for their potential transition.
⚬The law allows a certain amount of governmental support for transition planning much earlier, right after the summer conventions where the Republicans and Democrats choose their presidential candidates.
⚬Nothing would be harmed if Trump’s administration cooperates now with Biden’s transition team but then overturns the election results in court. It’s in the best interests of the nation that both Biden and Trump be as ready as possible before January, no matter which one does end up as president.
⚬Delays in transition planning can be detrimental to national security (and in fact are believed to have contributed to 9/11).
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@ Solitaire
Thanks.
I hope that the USA citizens will be able to overcome these difficult moments as smoothly as possible.
I never thought the day would come I could say “I pray for America”.
There are real dangers appearing at the horizon.
The current POTUS is making changes at the top of the military and no one knows for sure for what. I hope he only wants to settle some scores with some individuals, and doesn’t intend to make use of the military as a whole like a personal tool for whatever sinister purpose. I hope.
People oft say that societies become stable as they develop strong institutions. This is something that we in the developing world think is the missing element in our societies. But the current events in the USA show that appropriate attitudes from top individuals help to foster and maintain that stability. And when this changes, a society can be on the verge of collapsing. Ask the Argentinians, who at the first half of the XXth century enjoyed a first world status, but in the second half went through military dictatorships that contributed to a general deterioration of their social and economic situation during and after that.
Be on the watch…
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@ Munubantu
Yes, this is a very uncertain time. Rather like when a spouse who’s being abused finally takes steps to leave, that is the most dangerous moment when the risk of being killed is highest. The USA is trying to kick Trump out of the house, but we can’t have him evicted until January. We need a restraining order, but the judge refuses to issue it (i.e., high-ranking Republicans are refusing to take steps to calm Trump down and convince him to concede). We have to be very vigilant until he no longer has any power.
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dear old abagond:
5 days and for your post on perhaps the most important (and controversial) event in 4 years and you can only come up with 20 comments.
No mention of the details of the allegations of election fraud being made.. and why would you have any? They are completely ignored by the MSM, just like the hard evidence of Biden treason and incest was. It’s like living in an alternate reality.
There are many different fraud claims, so they can get confusing, but the dead people voting thing is more of a distraction, though it shows intent. There are serious claims that the election systems were hacked or compromised to change and delete votes.
Here’s something recent from Giuliani explaining:
There are also a ton of people claiming they saw outrageous fraud in the key liberal swing state strongholds that happened to stop voting late on the night of Nov. 3, and then suddenly the vote totals started going massively up for Biden.
There were actually a lot of indicators of fraud in the numbers (numbers of Biden votes in mail in ballots that should be randomized by coming in from all over the state rise seemingly magically in computerlike stages late at night on the 3rd when it was clear Trump was winning, 90%+ turnout in Wisc. when 60-75% would be expected and was observed in other key states, hundreds of thousands of ballots blank except for a Biden vote). It’s too much for me to address well in 1 post.
Here’s what 1 guy found:
https://www.pscp.tv/va_shiva/1BdGYYjgkgQGX
I don’t know how things will turn out. We’ll see what the recounts/audits find and what the courts rule. Trump needs to get Pennsylvania (which seems very likely based on all the claims) and probably 2 of Georgia, MI, WI, AZ or NV (other states like Virginia could also potentially come into play)
I do know that, whatever happens, at least half the country will never believe that Biden won legitimately (and more may join that number when they review all the crazy data from that night).
Fox news viewership has collapsed after they called AZ for Biden before polls closed (in what is looking like it will be one of the closest races in the country) and they cut away from the President’s rep saying it was lies (it’s not their job to do that).
There are many on the far right who are excited about the prospect of Biden stealing the election and Trump becoming a martyr (more than of a Trump victory in some cases), because they see it as a way to wake more “normies” up to the fact that real change within the current system is impossible.
I’m not sure what the next few weeks will bring, but if you’re in a big city, you might want to stock up on basic supplies.
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This is what fraud looks like:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1325592112428163072.html
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Biff!
You were missing for like a week! Were you off counting ballots (or at least supervising the counts) as I suggested in another thread? If not, you should have been or some people might say you really let your country down.
Hey, did you hear that George Soros’ best friend is on the board of Dominion? A company that makes voting software also makes major hospital record keeping systems? Rigging elections may only be the start. What if the COVID numbers are fake? Someone could be hiring actors to go on MSM pretending to have dead family members and everything!
Republicans should start electing smarter people and getting them into positions of power. Trump was warning about all this for months and couldn’t even convince his own administration to put the fraudsters in jail. Even his Fox News buddies wouldn’t talk about all the evidence. Haven’t they learned that you have to reveal all that evidence to the public in order to force Mitch McConnell to form investigative committees so we can finally have fair elections?
Hey, I wonder, are Trump supporters kicking themselves for not figuring out how to get their dead relatives to vote?
Or wait… maybe there was widespread fraud perpetrated by the very fine people on both sides and that’s why Trump managed to even make it a close race. One of my neighbors is applauding the 102% voter turnout… Our area sure has a lot of Republicans… Hmmm….
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OMO:
Thanks for your advice. I voted. I don’t have a family situation that allows me to take significant time off to count votes at this time, but I appreciate your genuine concern for that.
Yes, Soros is evil and trying to change the US for the worse. Yes, Covid was definitely used, at least by the MSM, to try to get Trump out of office. Most people in the US are ready to move on from the lockdowns. Why do big city leaders try to scare people about rising case numbers, and get them to give up Thanksgiving and Christmas, in addition to never going to church, which violates their most fundamental right of assembly and worship, when the death rate has been collapsing? https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/
Re: getting people in jail, that’s the thing, who whole system is hopelessly corrupt. When you hear a whistleblower harassed by FBI officials, who are trying to get him to recant his statement, rather than investigating the fraud it uncovers, it helps you realize that.
Of course “turnout’ needed to be artificially increased in Republican districts to wipe out Trump’s advantage. If you watch the second video in my first e-mail, you’d see that it appears votes are switched more in redder districts to cover the fraud.
Anyway, as I said, I don’t know if Trump hangs onto the presidency, because the media is desperately trying to hide the evidence.. dismissing it out of hand. They don’t have experts from Harvard/MIT, etc. going through all the evidence (not just one set) and all the red flags caused by the data and saying they believe it was all legitimate… why not?
Here is what people with numbers’ experience have actually said about all the red flags raised:
https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/
Once enough people realize their vote doesn’t even matter because everything is rigged by the deep state the system completely loses its legitimacy.
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@ Biff
Dude. This is what your own link at the L.A. Times currently says:
“Death tallies are expected to grow. The state has averaged 38.4 daily deaths over the last week. When case counts increase, the death toll typically rises soon after.”
National death rates have in fact started to climb back up into the four digits. Hospitalization numbers are breaking records.
“get them to give up Thanksgiving and Christmas”
Did you not see what happened in Canada after their Thanksgiving Day in October?
Or that in the USA we already have massive proof that gatherings of extended family have fueled numerous outbreaks?
No one is asking you to “give up” Thanksgiving and Christmas, just to scale back on the family gatherings. Is it so hard to celebrate with just your nuclear family?
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@Biff
“I don’t have a family situation that allows me to take significant time off to count votes at this time,”
“Once enough people realize their vote doesn’t even matter because everything is rigged by the deep state the system completely loses its legitimacy.”
Two thoughts…
A. It’s weird that you believe Democrats have the time to participate in democracy more than Republicans do. Your own situation aside, If you believe the vote is illegitimate, then you believe that more half the citizenry is Republican (It’s just under half the citizens even if you did believe the vote). All those folks couldn’t have been too busy right? Couldn’t they have have stepped up to be involved? To believe that massive fraud occurred, to the tune of at least hundreds of thousands of votes is to accept that Republicans allowed it to happen right under their noses, despite Trump’s warnings. It also assumes that cheating was relatively easy but, only Biden supporters cheated.
B. Is it possible, to the extent there is any sort of “deep state”, that it is the wealthy pulling strings for their own benefit? After all, both candidates are beneficiaries of that. Maybe a bi-partisan deep state wanted a Biden presidency and a Republican majority Senate. A stagnant government supports the status quo and why would anyone getting rich off me want to change the status quo?
Now, I will offer a detail you may not have considered… not to change your mind (as you’ve previously questioned my honesty) … just to offer you some personal insight if you choose to believe it. Republican-leaning middle-class suburbanites all send their kids to college. College kids lean left and love rallies but, don’t typically show up to the polls in significant numbers. Purely anecdotal information here but, several college kids in my area came home to vote or voted absentee according to the parents I’ve spoken with. Likely presenting as Democratic votes in traditionally Republican areas.
In fact, I think that’s Trump’s true legacy. He campaigned on draining the swamp and what he really did was energize an entire generation of “lazy kids who were raised by the internet” to become engaged in politics. Long term… that might actually drain the swamp. An 18-year old kid in Michigan got elected to his local school board. How cool is that?
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“Why do big city leaders try to scare people about rising case numbers”
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https://dailyyonder.com/new-cases-put-80-of-rural-counties-in-the-red-zone/2020/11/10/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/coronavirus-midwest/2020/11/12/90508b72-250f-11eb-952e-0c475972cfc0_story.html
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We will have to agree to disagree about the lockdowns. The lockdowns hurt everyone, especially young people (I have a kid who has been severely depressed as a result of them and have also seen my own health suffer), while only really protecting the very old and infirm.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8942667/School-closures-cut-lifespan-average-child-THREE-MONTHS.html
The old and sick should be the first to get the vaccine that has been developed, tested and approved, which was confirmed internally in late October, but mysteriously didn’t announce until right after the election was finished. Anti-Trump FDA colluding with Pfizer. Yes, the fix is in…
Apparently, Georgia’s RINO governor and SOS were on the grift from Dominion and in on the fraud, so they are making the recount/audit into a joke (not even checking signatures).
Congrats, guys. There’s no point in voting after this. Just sit back and let the Globalists/Wall Street/ and Big Business continue to plunder the economy. I’m sure this will work out real well for you and your families.
Serious question, if there was solid evidence out there that fraud had been used to manipulate the election and that it gave Biden the win would you guys even care?
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@ Biff
“I have a kid who has been severely depressed as a result of them and have also seen my own health suffer”
Are you familiar with cognitive behavioral therapy? It can be very effective for situational depression.
“the vaccine that has been developed, tested and approved”
Wrong. The press release announced interim results of an ongoing trial. That means testing is not complete. The FDA has not yet approved the vaccine for emergency use, although that may happen soon. It needs to be stored at -70° Celsius, which requires special equipment that very few health care facilities currently have, so the logistics of distribution will be a major hurdle.
“Congrats, guys. There’s no point in voting after this. Just sit back”
I’m sure you would love for us to stop voting. If you can’t convince us to change who we vote for, persuade us to sit it out. Either way it’s a win for your team.
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@Biff
“Serious question, if there was solid evidence out there that fraud had been used to manipulate the election and that it gave Biden the win would you guys even care?”
That’s two questions:
First – Yes, I would care, and I absolutely believe we have an imperfect system. So, I’m OK with improving the system in terms of increasing accuracy. I’m not OK with “improvements” that limit our ability to vote. However, in spite of it being imperfect, accepting that there was very likely individual “fraud” or deliberate cheating that likely occurs in every election. But, I do not currently believe there was any wide-scale conspiracy involving hundreds of counties or millions of voters, etc… 300-3000 incorrect votes in either direction is what I believe. Any state within that margin should go over their result with a fine toothed comb.
Second – If the fraud was perpetrated in Biden’s favor, and not in Trump’s, ultimately costing him the election, I would be more disappointed in my fellow Americans than I am now. But, the country is changing and it changes slowly by design. Then, I’m more moderate than most here and this election wasn’t about conservative vs liberal for me. For me, it was as you say… orange man bad. It’s difficult to shoot down remarks from my racist uncle at Thanksgiving when he’s just parroting the president.
Democracy is important to me and I would be just as upset about democratic manipulation on a national scale as I am at Trump’s self-centered disregard for the future of the United States and the well-being of my fellow citizens. So far, I have seen nothing to indicate he’s fighting the good fight. It seems like he’s going scorched Earth on our democratic systems and we’re damned lucky the incoming administration consists of two people with a wealth of experience at the federal level to be able to go from zero to functioning government on day 1.
Serious question for you now. If he leaves office, avoids New York prosecution by running to Russia and builds a giant real-estate development in North Korea, will you begin to accept that he never had your interests at heart?
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Serious question, if there was solid evidence out there that fraud had been used to manipulate the election and that it gave Biden the win would you guys even care?
Of, course, I would care.
Here is the problem…
An old story… in an African village…
A man, member of the small community, a respected hard-working person, always getting off bed very early and going to work in the farm or in the bush.
But one day he came earlier, screaming, “lion, lion… it’s coming… let’s flee”.
Everybody left their homes and fled.
After an hour, no lion in sight. They all returned.
A few days later a similar episode took place. “Lion, lion”, the villagers fled. The lion never came. And they returned.
People began to wonder what was going on.
“Are you serious pal? Have you even saw the King of the Beasts?”
A few weeks later again the man came running and crying, “flee everybody, it’s coming, the lion…”
Nobody moved. They looked him in the eyes. “Are you crazy? Lately you are behaving like a child. Let us in peace. We have got things to do. Grown-up things.”
But then, the roaring became audible… for everybody to hear! The lion was approaching… People tried their best to flee. For some it was too late! A few got killed.
Moral of the story. The man played 2 times, lying to his fellow villagers about a lion coming, when there was none. He lost his credibility. When a serious event was coming nobody took him seriously.
This is a tale of America today. A would be king, leading the society for a few years, took the road of lying “with gusto” many times, almost everyday. He described his method as “faking the truth” until no one could tell truth and falsehood apart.
Now, nobody believes him. Except the dedicated followers. Outside of the country is even worse.
“Hydrochloroquine, injecting light, disinfectants… it will go away quickly… blah, blah, blah”
How can someone believes that the elections were rigged based on his words? Impossible. He lost his credibility long time ago.
But the due process is already under way running, reviewing whole electoral process, so there is hope that if he is telling the truth, that will arise, one way or another.
But in the meantime, accept that most people have every right to be skeptical.
P.S.:
A serious question that I have been asking myself related to the monitoring of elections. In my own country a few years ago. The opposition (of the governing party) cried “rigged, rigged”. In all electoral tables there were individuals of the main parties looking at the process. Besides international observers. But when the cries of “rigged, stolen elections” began I noticed a singular pattern. The cries were general. No specific mention to specific tables were made.
Now I see the same pattern in the antipodes of world and ask myself how bad examples are easily copied.
Frankly, in my whole life, this is the first time I watch a politician of a first world country behaving like some politicians in the third world. This is not good for America. And its adversaries out there are closely watching…
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Solitaire: There are no more “wins for my team” at the ballot box if they can get overwhelmed by massive fraud, so if this doesn’t get fixed, we may turn to voting for AOC types in primaries to speed up the collapse. And many people may be willing to consider other means.
OMO, please seek out the data. It clearly shows fraud–it’s literally riddled with statistical impossibilities. If the Dominion system could be hacked, changing hundreds of thousands of votes doesn’t take a lot of people to do. Yes, if Trump fled to Russia, I’d be as upset with him as I am at De Gaulle fleeing Viche France.
Munubantu, you’re believing media lies and stuff they put out of context about Trump–and you don’t even know it. There are very specific accusations of fraud being made here by others (not just Trump). I linked to a couple of them, but there are many more. However, if you just look at the first couple pages of google searches or the main media sites you’ll never see any of them, because the media has decided to disappear them.
Anyway, you guys can have your fun (nice to have a pic of the VP instead of the Pres–will be interesting to see when she assumes the throne), and we’ll all see what’s coming I guess.
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“They are completely ignored by the MSM, just like the hard evidence of Biden treason and incest was.”
” Why do big city leaders try to scare people about rising case numbers, and get them to give up Thanksgiving and Christmas, in addition to never going to church, which violates their most fundamental right of assembly and worship, when the death rate has been collapsing? ”
Never mind the death rate, what about the pedophilia rampant in churches, tell us about the auto-da-fés you and your church members have undertaken to cleanse Christianity of this nocive practice?
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@ Biff
“we may turn to voting for AOC types in primaries to speed up the collapse. And many people may be willing to consider other means.”
The collapse of what?
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@Solitaire
“The collapse of what?”
Whiteness.
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@ Open Minded Observer
I don’t think that’s what Biff is talking about. I doubt he wants to see whiteness collapse or would work towards that end. Note the pronouns:
“There are no more ‘wins for my team’ at the ballot box if they can get overwhelmed by massive fraud, so if this doesn’t get fixed, we may turn to voting for AOC types in primaries to speed up the collapse.”
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https://twitter.com/DenverFlynn/status/1327390181809328128
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My bad. I was reading too quickly. You’re right. I change my response to “Society” because maybe he truly believes progressives will destroy America and people like him will be able to ride up from the ashes.
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@ Biff
Is Open Minded Observer correct? Is the answer society?
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So Trump admitted Biden won the election in his sore loser way. He says he will be back in 2024. I hope he and his goons are in prison by then.
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@ Mary,
“So Trump admitted Biden won the election in his sore loser way. He says he will be back in 2024. I hope he and his goons are in prison by then.”
I thought Trump conceded as well but then he sent the below tweet.
“Why does the Fake News Media continuously assume that Joe Biden will ascend to the Presidency, not even allowing our side to show, which we are just getting ready to do, how badly shattered and violated our great Constitution has been in the 2020 Election. It was attacked ….perhaps like never before! From large numbers of Poll Watchers that were thrown out of vote counting rooms in many of our States, to millions of ballots that have been altered by Democrats, only for Democrats, to voting after the Election was over, to using Radical Left
….owned Dominion Voting Systems, turned down by Texas and many others because it was not good or secure, those responsible for the safeguarding of our Constitution cannot allow the Fake results of the 2020 Mail-In Election to stand. The World is watching!”
He’s going to drag this out until he’s kicked out in January. It’s sick and sad.
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While reading yet another business book, I came across these tips for dominating a well defined market niche. As I read the tips, I realized how Trump has used niche marketing techniques to draw an audience to (and make raving fans of) his presidency, The Trump Show.
The book’s author, Mike Michalowicz, summarized his tips with these observations:
The Toilet Paper Entrepreneur by Mike Michalowicz pages 66-67
It is hard for people who are not in Trump’s political niche market to
understand why specific groups willfully ignore Trump’s many negatives (fake billionaire up to his eyeballs in debt, emotional instability and general incompetence among others).
Not only do they ignore his negatives, they adore and defend him against “a common enemy” (or enemies). They do so because he fully understands his base of support. He speaks to them using words, phrases and gestures that appeal just to them. He says aloud, what they think and feel.
They feel they are part of an exclusive club—the Trump Show audience and fan club. “Fan” being short for “fanatic”.
Trump serves his voting niche with policies that allay their White Anxiety over perceived loss of status to Black people. More about White Anxiety here:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-voters-economy-election-2020_n_5fa453ddc5b67c3259ac62f4
When seen through a marketing lens, it is easier to understand why some groups reject objective reality and stick with emotional appeals.
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@ Afrofem
This seems to be the basis for much of the right-wing information space in the US. It is not just Trump: Fox News and preachers do it too. All three depend on audience size. And all three sow distrust of outsiders, of alternative sources of information, of “alternative facts”. That means a huge part of the US, people like biff, are no longer part of “the reality-based community”. Which in turn has made it hard for the US to deal with the pandemic. You get complete ignoramuses who think they know better than doctors or even world-class epidemiologists.
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@ Afrofem
A passing comment on this thought of Mike Michalowicz.
The underlying assumption must be that the “group” you attract is large enough.
If it is a minority, that idea/practice could not lead to a possible win.
Trump had significant chances to win because a significant portion of the White population see the reality the way he tells them. This an inescapable conclusion that American society at large, and other political parties in particular, must contend with, in the future.
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@ biff
Republicans push the idea that voter fraud is common in order to pass voter suppression laws. But in actual fact, voter fraud just is not common enough to tip a presidential election. Republicans have become victims of their own propaganda.
Trump’s best hope of a legitimate victory at this point is finding some sort of bug or hack of the Dominion voting software that many states use.
The reason for the sudden surge in Biden votes is because certain states counted mail-in ballots later than in-person ones. Trump urged his voters to vote in person on Election Day. Those were counted first, giving him an early lead that melted away as the mail-in ballots were counted.
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@ biff
If Fox News’s “job” is to be a mindless propaganda outlet for Trump, then yes, they were not doing their job. But if their job is to be a credible news outlet, then it looks like maybe they are starting to grow a backbone.
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@ biff
This is a huge danger. Hopefully, with Trump’s lawsuits falling flat, most people will realize he is just a sore loser.
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@ biff
If the MSM were as evil and biased as you seem to think they are, then why did they declare Trump the winner in 2016?
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Biden and Harris are both just as evil and vile as Trump. Biden with the crime bill that created Mass Incarceration, Harris locking up Black Women over Truancy laws, and even prevented an innocent man from being released from prison even though they had proof that he wasn’t a criminal.
Biden is just as racist as Trump was, wanting schools to remain segregated to keep his white kids from interacting with black children, for one. He and Harris also have plans to allow at least 500,000 Indian immigrants into America.
This is nothing to celebrate.
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@ munubantu
“The underlying assumption must be that the “group” you attract is large enough. If it is a minority, that idea/practice could not lead to a possible win.”
Yours is a logical answer that assumes a perfect world.
In the messy realm of human affairs, a “minority” can win if:
✔︎ they are willing to employ dirty tricks (including the use of targeted violence).
✔︎ create structural barriers to their adversaries winning (e.g. voter suppression laws).
✔︎ engage in unrelenting propaganda that energizes their members while simultaneously demoralizing their opponents.
The Republicans in the USA have done all three and more to “win” even though they are a numerical voting minority in this country. Even when they draw in portions of the Latinx and Asian populations in future elections they still may be a numerical minority.
Energy, organization and perseverance are key to winning. The Repubs have all three.
The only reason Trump was trounced in this election is that record numbers of the US electorate could not stomach another four years of him. It only took a major pandemic and an accompanying economic depression to push them to action.
Mike Michalowicz’s point is that to dominate a narrow niche market, a business owner need not be overly concerned with “large enough”. An energized group of raving fans/followers/customers can be force to be reckoned with even without majority numbers.
To your point though, the Repubs still held their own in the downticket races for the Senate (???) and gained in the House of Representatives.
Celebrated anthropologist, Margaret Mead, once said:
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Trump fires DHS cyber security chief Chris Krebs. So you tell the truth and get fired when you work for Trump. And when you lie and enable his sick narcissism, you get promoted and rewarded.
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Oh Mary… Haven’t you heard? The “truth” is just a deep state plot against the president. 😉
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Hair dye running down Rudy Guiliani’s face. 🤣🤣🤣
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I’m not American, but I would have voted for Bugs Bunny to get that turd out of office. His deleterious effects spread to other countries.
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Did Sidney Powell’s Kraken ever get released? LOL
I noticed Fox & Newsmax “clarifying” that they never had any evidence to support any of the various conspiracies relating to voting machines.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/smartmatic-dominion-voting-systems-software-election/2020/12/19/id/1002355/
Apparently all it took was a sternly-worded letter from Smartmatic’s lawyers to scare them into it.
… and just in case Biff is lurking, before you hit me with Russell Ramsland’s forensic report, read it… all of it… ignore anything subjective or opinions about intent and just read it for facts. Don’t give me 86% error rate without being able to tell me what that error was. Also, while reading it, consider that a hand recount by members of both parties verified the machine-tabulated results of Antrim County were within 11 votes which represents < 0.00073% error. If you apply that error rate to the entire state of Michigan, Trump could hope to see ~4,000 additional votes leaving him 120,000 votes shy of flipping the state.
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@ Afrofem
“The Toilet Paper Entrepreneur by Mike Michalowicz”
Oh, the irony that 2020 brings! A once niche market, now people will buy any toilet paper brand they see whenever they find it!
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Interesting,
“Business as usual” engaged…
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/11/13/headlines/cecilia_munoz_who_defended_family_separations_under_obama_joins_biden_transition_team
Wonder what “The Resistance” is going to say about that appointment…
(I have a hunch)
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So, during the pandemic, President Trump had been pushing hard to have schools reopened for in-person classes. It was widely accepted that there was a strong economic motivation behind this push because Trump wanted the economy to rebound to help his reelection campaign.
Here’s Politico covering that angle:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/08/trump-reopen-schools-353245
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So it’s interesting hearing basically the same concern from one of Biden’s top economic aides, Brian Deese, who’s from BlackRock and will be appointed of the National Economic Council
https://www.fox23.com/news/trending/stimulus-check-update-biden-unveil-plan-1400-payments-unemployment-extension/4KRDKR7SUJEZDMWC7ISLGR45MA/
It’s not surprising, but a reminder that the fundamental priorities of govt will not spontaneously change under Biden. In fact, it was reported some time ago that he promised as much to his rich donors.
https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/joe-biden-to-rich-donors-nothing-would-fundamentally-change-if-hes-elected/
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I was looking for my first post in this thread from 2020, because I remember the gist but didn’t remember exactly what I said or where I said it.
It’s the 13th post from the top.
Part of it:
The first letter of each line deliberately spelled a, somewhat expletive, phrase (which I didn’t point that out at the time). I was obliquely referring to the way the candidates were engineered so that many people were voting unenthusiastically for the “least terrible option”.
Then after recalling Bush->Obama->Trump->Biden terms, I considered that we were essentially “back at the start” with Biden winning. That is, this would be as if Hilary had won and the policy direction of the Biden admin would remind people why the putatively anti-establishment (“drain the swamp”) Trump won in 2016. In other words, he’d have a valid chance to win again.
Now with a Biden/Trump rematch looming, that last line is incredibly literal. However, to vote for Biden in 2024 one will have to support, ignore or rationalize away his arming of Israel while it mercilessly bombs civilians in Gaza and blocks food from reaching them despite a global pressure to desist. Many had commented how a “lesser of two evils” approach allows evil to up the ante. This has become evident *real* fast!
Now one has to cosign a possible genocide if one thinks it’s MORE important that Trump be kept away from the Oval Office. Yikes!
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Say what you want about him, but Trump kept us out of major wars (going against the neocon uniparty establishment to do so). Partly as a result of that, inflation was under control. The border wasn’t totally open the way it is now. I don’t think you guys care about any substantive stuff like that. You’ll still all vote for Biden, because Trump gives you bad feelz, no matter how many hundreds of thousands of brown people die in Gaza with support from Biden.
Specific Question: Hypothetically, if it were shown that (1) the CIA/FBI knew that the Hunter Biden laptop was legit (showing that Hunter and his dad were selling out the country for millions of dollars in kickbacks from countries like China, Russia and Ukraine) AND (2) they intentionally lied and said the laptop was Russian disinfo, basically forcing Twitter, Facebook and other major social media sites to ban references to it, in order to get Biden elected in 2020, would it matter to you guys? Would it make the 2020 election any less legitimate in your eyes?
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@ Biff
Hypothetically, if it were shown that (1) the categories of “race” that you use have no basis in science AND (2) the genes that determine traits like melanin production, hair texture, and facial features are in no way connected to intelligence, morality, ethics, etc., would it matter to you?
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Solitaire:
So.. this post is entitled “Biden Wins!” My post above is directly related to that topic. Yours has nothing at all to do with it. You are clearly trying to derail the discussion, implying that no anti-Biden facts should be considered Because Racist (TM) (i.e., bad feelz).
That said, I have no interest in any current “science” that has determined men can actually be women based on their feelings, rather than chromosomes, and that can easily be bought off by drug companies to suppress abundant evidence of horrific side effects from certain mRNA “vaccines”.
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@ Biff
My post above is directly related to that topic. Yours has nothing at all to do with it.
You brought up a hypothetical genetic connection between race and intelligence on the How White People Think thread but have since been refusing to discuss the topic there.
implying that no anti-Biden facts should be considered Because Racist (TM) (i.e., bad feelz)
Biden is a racist.
That said, I have no interest in any current “science” that has determined men can actually be women based on their feelings, rather than chromosomes, and that can easily be bought off by drug companies to suppress abundant evidence of horrific side effects from certain mRNA “vaccines”.
How are either of those topics related to the scientific study of race?
Where is your cut-off point? Are you not interested in any current “science” having to do with genetics? Or any current “science” of any sort after a specific date?
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Solitaire, so you basically admit you’re choosing to derail the discussion on this thread in an attempt to get me to address something raised on another thread, where I specifically said I didn’t think it was worth continuing the discussion and explained my reasoning. We’ve been at this for years (literally). There comes a point where we just have to agree to disagree on certain topics.
That said, re: a cutoff point for “science”, a useful question is whether a topic is politically/culturally charged in the relevant time/place. If so, it’s unlikely that scientists can be very objective about that topic, especially if “wrongthink” gets you fired or your funding cut. Another useful metric is to ask would serious scientists across the world agree with a certain statement, even in private? I can pretty much guarantee that if you met up with top Chinese geneticists in an informal setting, they’d laugh in your face at the idea that people of all races had the same innate average intelligence and would ridicule as incredibly dishonest your attempt to say anyone disagreeing with that thinks it’s because of a specific gene for melanin or hair texture.
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@ Biff
“so you basically admit you’re choosing to derail the discussion on this thread in an attempt to get me to address something raised on another thread, where I specifically said I didn’t think it was worth continuing the discussion and explained my reasoning.“
The connection is your hypothetical question about the election. You’ve asked it (or versions of it) multiple times before, for years now. At what point do you decide it’s no longer worthwhile to pursue that hypothetical question? Especially seeing that you refuse to answer others.
“There comes a point where we just have to agree to disagree on certain topics.“
There is no “have to” here. I don’t have to agree to that, not when you’re spreading false information that is harmful to marginalized populations and to society as a whole. And especially not when you bring the same racist propaganda up over and over again.
“I can pretty much guarantee that if you met up with top Chinese geneticists in an informal setting, they’d laugh in your face at the idea that people of all races had the same innate average intelligence“
Where is your proof that the top Chinese geneticists disagree with the scientific consensus that the inheritance of genetic traits do not correspond with historical racial divisions?
“your attempt to say anyone disagreeing with that thinks it’s because of a specific gene for melanin or hair texture.“
You were the one who brought it up, positing a correlation between skin tone and intellectual ability.
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I have been curious whether more information coming out (including the Twitter drops showing deliberate CIA/FBI interference in suppressing factual info about the Bidens, as well as 2000 Mules before that) would lead more people to question the integrity of the 2020 election here. However, it’s tough to say when there are so few people commenting at all anymore.
What do people here think is going to happen in the 2024 election? Anyone excited about 4 more years of puppet Biden and expanded wars in Ukraine (the next phase is sending in NATO troops) and the Middle East (enter Iran), together with more unprecedented inflation as we print money to pay for these wars and to further line the pockets of the elites in the process?
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‘memba when that was a good thing? well not to say trump would have been stellar, but, in 20/20 hindsight, well food’s way more expensive!
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I’m not voting for either Biden or Trump. Not sure yet who I’m voting for.
MAGA blue is just as delusional as MAGA red.
You can’t strengthen democracy while being complicit with genocide.
I don’t think the last election was rigged. I don’t think whatever the Biden’s did to enrich themselves is any different than any other politician in political power.
What makes Biden uniquely evil is his casualness when considering whether Palestinian lives matter because they clearly don’t based on his decisions.
There are no discussions about Palestinian self determination, about their rights to self defense, civil liberties and property rights.
An American from New Jersey can claim some magikal right of return and get a home in the West Bank stolen from a Palestinian family and we are suppose to pretend that’s OK.
Or that the thousands of Palestinians held without charges aren’t as equal as the Israeli hostages likely buried under the rubble somewhere.
It’s my opinion that the American political system has been compromised by the State of Isreal through AIPAC in a way that makes accusations against Russian interference in elections/government laughable.
Is Trump any better on Isreal ? His son in law thinks Gaza is prime beach front property and imagines a Trump tower would like nice there.
What drives Trump is his ego. If public opinion shifts against Isreal he’s likely to go along with it as he distrusts the neocons.
Biden has received millions from AIPAC. He’s sold his soul and there’s a hot place in hell for him that the Pope can’t reach.
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If Biden continues to run Trump wins.
Biden has no path to victory. He has lost Michigan and polls from a handful of tight swing states have him behind.
It’s possible he steps down at the convention and a Harris/Newsom ticket or something similar emerges.
Even that might not be enough to save the Democrats. The coalition that elected Biden is split over Palestine and the destruction in Gaza to complete to ignore.
This is MJB.
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@Malcom Heights / MJB
“It’s my opinion that the American political system has been compromised by the State of Isreal through AIPAC in a way that makes accusations against Russian interference in elections/government laughable.”
Agreed.
They’ve had a very corrosive effect on our so-called democracy. Particularly First Amendment rights.
They make politicians, academics and journalists quake in their boots.
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“They make politicians, academics and journalists quake in their boots.”
“In both of his last two campaigns, Proxmire refused contributions and spent less than $200 out of his own pocket, which covered the expenses related to filing re-election paperwork, and he mailed back unsolicited contributions. He was an early advocate of campaign finance reform.[21] Throughout his Senate career, Proxmire also refused to accept reimbursements for travel expenses related to his official duties.”
If politicians, academics and journalists didn’t have their snouts in the lobby’s money trough and acted like senator Proxmire did in his last two campaigns, AIPAC wouldn’t be a problem.
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Am I the only one to see how appropriate Origin’s 04/01/2024 post is given the meaning of that date? April Fool’s Day.
Since when did American voters not vote for genocidal politicians. The difference between Trump and Bidden is that the former wants the deed done expeditiously while the latter insists on mouthing off seemingly ‘humanitarian’ nonsense.
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I thought MJB was some variant of FJB at first. Was trying to look it up. Lolz!
These comments indicating that, because seemingly all politicians are rotten to some extent, that Trump and Biden must be equally corrupt are a cop out. That kind of thinking effectively prevents you from noticing any corruption at all (since your assumption is that everyone is equally guilty of it).
Trump did not get us into these horrific major wars (and yes, his advisors like Pompeo and Bolton absolutely would have started major wars if they could have). Biden did. Trump is not nearly as corrupt as the Bidens. If they could nail Trump for taking bribes to sell out the country (“10% for the big guy”) they would have. Instead, they are trying to fine him almost a billion dollars (meaning they will confiscate all his business assets) and throw him in prison for the rest of his life for a real estate loan years ago where the banks were paid back in full (with interest) because they claim he inflated the value of his assets, which the banks confirmed they knew about and accounted for when issuing the loans. The banks involved even said they would happily do business with Trump again. The NY governor said don’t worry to any other real estate investors, as otherwise they would leave NY state because they all exaggerate asset values to a certain extent. It’s like North Korean justice.
I agree that all the control of both major parties by Israel/AIPAC is repugnant. Pretty sure both Trump and Biden feel they need to kowtow to that lobby to have a shot at winning. However, until you support genuine populist candidates (Trump and RFK JR. are the only ones worth mentioning in the current race), the Democratic party will do whatever they want, including killing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, and completely take you for granted.
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Since when did Trump’s supporters become so concerned about the plight of the Palestinians? Trump’s son-in-law is contemplating beachfront condos in Gaza sans its original inhabitants once the ‘slum clearing’ operation is over. Will he cut big daddy in on the loot? Will big daddy Trump allow substantial numbers of bruised and traumatized, possibly resentful Palestinians, with keen recollections that the bombs rained down on them came from the USA, in the country? Will biff et al, applaud such magnanimity?
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“If politicians, academics and journalists didn’t have their snouts in the lobby’s money trough and acted like senator Proxmire did in his last two campaigns, AIPAC wouldn’t be a problem.”
I think they prefer jostling at the feeding trough to sliding on the slippery floor of an abattoir, a la
➣ “suicided” journalist Gary Webb*
➣ former Labor prime minister Jeremy Corbyn
➣ exiled academic Steven Salaita
*He ran afoul of another group of gangsters, but was used as an example to all journalists.
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“Trump is not nearly as corrupt as the Bidens.”
ROTFL!!!!!
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Corruption is not the only thing to consider. Trump is stupid. The man is as thick as a brick, with an ego so large that he brags about being a genius.
He also emulates dictators. He didn’t even pay lip service to the tradition of peaceful and respectful transfer of power.
Neither of these two candidates is someone I would gladly vote for. But only one of them has called for termination of the Constitution.
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@ Biff
Looking back on this thread, I see that in Nov. 2020, I asked you twice to clarify a statement you made. Here:
(https://abagond.wordpress.com/2020/11/07/biden-wins/#comment-501983)
and here:
(https://abagond.wordpress.com/2020/11/07/biden-wins/#comment-502082)
I’m still interested in hearing your answer.
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Solitaire:
You asked what I meant by “the collapse”.
This may help. https://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf
I don’t believe the US will exist in its current form in a decade or two. Seems crazy till you think about the great empires before it. Doubt the US will collapse at exactly at 250 years, but if it did that’s 1776+250=2026. The warning signs are pretty clear to anyone paying attention, but then you are gonna vote for Biden… so that wouldn’t be you.
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@ Biff
So when you wrote:
“we may turn to voting for AOC types in primaries to speed up the collapse. And many people may be willing to consider other means“
you were in fact talking about the collapse of American society. Thanks for the verification.
How ironic]p that you have often accused me and others here of wanting “to burn it all down” when in the quote above you’ve declared your willingness to do just that.
It’s one thing to work in positive ways for the change you’d like to see. It’s another thing altogether to work for societal collapse, with the turmoil, destruction, and death that entails.
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Solitaire:
The collapse is coming no matter what any of us do, which you’d realize if you read the link provided (now almost 50 years old, but perfectly describing the degeneracy of the current age–see below). Better it be a quick and relatively painless peaceful separation than massive civil war and ethnic cleansing later on.
A relevant quote: “Decadence is marked by:
Defensiveness
Pessimism
Materialism
Frivolity
An influx of foreigners
The Welfare State
A weakening of religion.
(f) Decadence is due to:
Too long a period of wealth and power
Selfishness
Love of money
The loss of a sense of duty.
(g) The life histories of great states are
amazingly similar, and are due to internal
factors.
(h) Their falls are diverse, because they are
largely the result of external causes.”
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@ Biff
As far as the article you linked to, the author gets his average duration of 250 years for empires through flawed methodology.
It’s ironic that he begins his article by stressing the importance of looking at all of world history as a whole, because the only way he gets this 250-year number is to ignore empires in China, Africa, and elsewhere which lasted more than twice that timespan.
He also dishonestly ends the Roman Empire in the year 180, when it actually fell in 476. He ignores the fact that the eastern half remained an empire, referred to as the Byzantine Empire, until 1453. He places the end of the Ottoman Empire as 1570, but it actually didn’t fall until 1922.
The foundation of his theory consists of lies, arbitrary revisions to historical consensus, and cherry-picking.
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@ Solitaire
“It’s one thing to work in positive ways for the change you’d like to see. It’s another thing altogether to work for societal collapse, with the turmoil, destruction, and death that entails.”
White Christian Nationalists and Christian Dominionists actively seek chaos.
They believe only through chaos can they dismantle secular, pluralistic democracy and replace it with White supremacist theocracy.
They don’t have to work too hard right now to induce chaos.
Nearly all of our democratic institutions have been hollowed out by corporations and plutocrats for fun and profit.
As a result, many sectors of society are pretty shaky. White Christian Nationalists think if they just keep jabbing here and there, the entire edifice will keel over.
Then they can make their move. They can set up their “Handmaid’s Tale” society and run the country as they see fit.
Maybe they will prevail and maybe they won’t. We shall see what the next five years brings.
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@ Biff
“Better it be a quick and relatively painless peaceful separation“
So I’m curious — what would this look like? Into what parts does the nation separate? Who goes where?
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Afrofem, this Handmaid’s Tale stuff is liberal women’s wet dreams-literally. That kind of society never existed in the US and I’ve never heard conservatives say they wanted that. Things are obviously getting worse for most people in the US and have been for some time. That means we are moving in the wrong direction. So it’s about making meaningful changes to fix that. Whites are the only people in the world called “supremacists” when they want to live among a majority of their own people. It’s ludicrous. You guys don’t support Israel’s attacks on the Brown people in Gaza, but you don’t realize when Jews take over your mind with this nonsensical anti-White drivel.
We will indeed see if Solitaire is right and there’s nothing to worry about for the Globalist American Empire. Maybe it’s got another 1000 years in it after all. Lolz!
Solitaire, re: separation, it’s hard to know how things will play out in practice, because there are so many variables in play. You could have a state like Texas declare independence if the ruling elites insist on continuing to use the National Border Patrol to facilitate invasion, rather than to stop it. Other states might join it. If Trump gets reelected, you could have California wanting to secede (it has been talked about before). Then, the more rural parts of CA (i.e., most of the interior) might decide it will go a different direction. Separation becomes more likely when we have a serious economic reckoning, which is long overdue.
There are a lot of things that could play a role in the collapse. China, Russia, Iran and the other BRICSIA+ nations are on a collision course with the GAE economically. If we got into a major all out war (we already have some saying US soldiers should go to Ukraine, the Middle East and Taiwan), the working class Whites who have formed the bulk of the GAE fighting force might decide to sit this one out. Or maybe you have thousands of saboteurs (including e.g., truckers) who, in response to future mandatory lockdowns or forced vaccinations (which historically didn’t exist in the US or other free societies and are an indication that the US is no longer free) decided to cut off supplies and power to the major liberal cities.
As to who goes where ultimately, I’m not sure, but when nations break up, e.g., former Yugoslavia, they tend to form more ethnically homogenous blocks. Most dissident Whites I know, like the vast majority of people in human history, just don’t want for their kids and grandkids to become hated minorities in the near future, but would probably be open to different solutions to achieve that, based on what’s practically feasible. They accept that the glory days of the US are gone and it’s now mostly about survival for their descendants.
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“You guys don’t support Israel’s attacks on the Brown people in Gaza, but you don’t realize when Jews take over your mind with this nonsensical anti-White drivel.”
Given that the people of Gaza are “brown” in your view, why the concern on your part for them?
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gro jo,
I don’t think that only White lives matter. You must think I’m some kind of monster to imply that. I don’t support needless bloodshed. Some of those affected in this situation are my brothers and sisters in Christ, though so-called Christian politicians in the US don’t seem to care much about the lives of Palestinian Christians.
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@ Biff
“this Handmaid’s Tale stuff is liberal women’s wet dreams-literally.“
The word you’re looking for is nightmare.
“when nations break up, e.g., former Yugoslavia, they tend to form more ethnically homogenous blocks.”
That’s the part I’m most curious about. What’s going to happen to families of more than one race? Where are biracial children going to go?
“I don’t think that only White lives matter. You must think I’m some kind of monster to imply that.”
Perhaps it’s because you write things like: “Most dissident Whites I know, like the vast majority of people in human history, just don’t want for their kids and grandkids to become hated minorities in the near future” without ever having any concern for the populations that are already hated minorities. In fact, you like to come here to say and quote hateful things about those minorities.
“though so-called Christian politicians in the US don’t seem to care much about the lives of Palestinian Christians.”
Most Americans don’t know they exist, much less that their families were also displaced in 1948. Most American Christians barely know anything about the Eastern Churches and don’t think beyond Protestants and Catholics.
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Solitaire, yes, a horrible nightmare for liberal women, just like Fifty Shades of a Gray. lolz! That’s why they can’t stop watching.
I don’t have all the answers about what will happen when the collapse hits. As I said, there are lots of different scenarios that could occur. You don’t even believe there will be one, so you don’t have to worry about anything I guess.
My words here aren’t motivated by hate. I just want to preserve my people and culture, and I hope others can do the same–if they don’t want to be a minority, they should be able to move to a place where they can be in the majority.
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@ Biff
“yes, a horrible nightmare for liberal women, just like Fifty Shades of a Gray. lolz! That’s why they can’t stop watching.“
I don’t think there’s a lot of overlap between the two audiences. Some, maybe, but a lot of feminists have expressed criticism of Fifty Shades of Gray.
You appear to be suggesting that women watch or read The Handmaid’s Tale because they find it sexually arousing??
“You don’t even believe there will be one, so you don’t have to worry about anything I guess.“
Whether or not I do believe it will happen, I’m still interested in knowing how you and other dissident Whites plan to restructure things if you get the chance. It’s always best to be informed and prepared.
“I just want to preserve my people and culture, and I hope others can do the same–if they don’t want to be a minority, they should be able to move to a place where they can be in the majority.“
I know you may find this difficult to believe, but there are people who actually have extended families of more than one race, sometimes more than two. And again you may find it difficult to believe, but those people love everyone in their family and don’t want to be torn apart from each other. Why do you assume that everyone only wants to be with their own racial group, or their own ethnic group?
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Maybe it’s Fifty Shades of Gray for the more intellectual type. Of course it’s “arousing” to many of the female viewers, but you’re probably unwilling to even admit that women are viscerally attracted to powerful, dominant men.
If there was a peaceful separation, you could have places like CA and NY that could continue down the road to becoming woke Latin American style multiracial paradises, ruled over by a heavily guarded light-skinned elite, and then some boring fly over states that would remain majority White and have more traditional Christian American egalitarian type societies. It could give everyone what they (think they) want.
Anyway, once again we’re drifting off topic. I’d rather discuss the upcoming election here (a new post on what’s going down in the Middle East now would also be welcome).
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@ Biff
“boring fly over states“
Wow, way to insult my home state and the place I love.
Why should I be forced to leave the Midwest because you don’t think I belong here?
Why should I be forced to live in a city when I’m used to small towns and open spaces?
Why do you think everyone not on the coasts is a White nationalist like you?
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“Anyway, once again we’re drifting off topic. I’d rather discuss the upcoming election here (a new post on what’s going down in the Middle East now would also be welcome).”
Israel got its wake up call. Despite prior warning, the help of the US, UK, France, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, Iran showed it can reach out and ‘touch’ Israel via its missiles. Israel’s nuclear arsenal is now a threat to its survival since a few salvos directly hitting Dimona nuclear plant could spew radioactive waste all over that nation.
You never replied to my question. “Will big daddy Trump allow substantial numbers of bruised and traumatized, possibly resentful Palestinians, with keen recollections that the bombs rained down on them came from the USA, in the country? Will biff et al, applaud such magnanimity?”
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Sorry to hurt your feelings, Solitaire. Maybe everything will work out just fine and the GAE can remain intact and top dog for many decades to come and keep running record debts and deficit spending. The economists have said it’s fine and that this time will be different. What me worry?
Gro Jo:
Yes, Iran sent a few missiles over and Israel had to spend over $1 billion to shoot them down. Iran could outlast Israel in a conventional fight, especially (as is likely) if it has some support from its Muslim neighbors and BRICSIA+. Israel had to understand that it would invite retaliation by targeting an Iranian consulate–a bit no no in terms of international rules. The media is reporting it as if Iran did all it could, but failed. That’s far from the truth.
To answer your questions, probably yes (if this election isn’t stolen as well) and no. The Israelis would like to ship all of Palestine off to the US and Europe. It would serve their purposes very well in the short term. In the long-term, young people are massively turning against them. We may actually see a lot of Israelis abandoning Israel for the US and other places if things get really lit over there.
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@ Biff
“Sorry to hurt your feelings, Solitaire. Maybe everything will work out just fine and the GAE can remain intact and top dog for many decades to come and keep running record debts and deficit spending.”
Interesting that you pivot to economics to avoid discussing the topic of ethnic cleansing (which you brought up).
Let’s say you’re right and the USA is going to fall from its position as a superpower very soon.
First of all, there’s no guarantee that the nation itself will split apart. Superpowers and empires have declined in the past without the core nation immediately dissolving.
Secondly, even if the nation does fall apart, even if separate states do declare independence, why do you think that necessarily means I would then be forced to move thousands of miles away from my home?
And how do you propose to force me to leave?
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Solitaire, I should have realized you were a woman, because you have the female solopsism in spades. It’s not all about you or all about me either. I didn’t say everyone would be ethnically cleansed or forced to move away. I said more ethnically homogenous groupings were likely if there was a collapse and reorganization. That doesn’t mean everything would be totally homogenous. And yes you are right, a physical break-up of the US isn’t even for sure. However, there are a lot of people (myself included) who think it would be for the better than the path we’re currently on (which is leading us to be a Latin American style third world country with all that implies) and those numbers will grow in a collapse type scenario.
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@ Biff
“Solitaire, I should have realized you were a woman, because you have the female solopsism in spades. It’s not all about you or all about me either.“
Biff, I should have realized you were dense, because anyone with two brain cells would comprehend that I was using myself as an example. No, it’s not all about me, because there are many more like me in the “flyover” states.
“I didn’t say everyone would be ethnically cleansed or forced to move away“
You said to me previously: “If there was a peaceful separation, you could have places like CA and NY.” If I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you thought I already lived in CA or NY or one of the other places that you’ve referred to in the past as Democrat-run urban hellholes.
But I don’t. I live in a small town in one of what you call the “boring fly over states” which, as you stated above, in your desired scenario would become a White and “traditional Christian American” society.
You very clearly laid out a scenario where my options are to stay here while your “dissident Whites” transform the place I love into a nightmare or to move very far away from the place that I love.
And I’m not just speaking of myself. There are tons of us who were born and raised here in the Great Flyover, some who have generations of ancestors buried here, who have very deep roots in our states and our towns. Why should we submit to becoming second-class citizens or worse in order to remain in our own home?
“It could give everyone what they (think they) want.“
No, it wouldn’t. I’m explaining to you why that is the case.
You have presented this scenario as “a peaceful separation” and “relatively painless,” but it’s not.
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Yes, Solitaire, relatively peaceful compared to potential ethnic cleansing. The current system is unsustainable and, obviously, when there’s a collapse it could get pretty nasty. I don’t pretend to know all the details. It’s fine to justify yourself, but it doesn’t matter. I’m sure a lot of people in the Spanish Civil War or Yugoslavian break up felt it was pretty unfair. I don’t care to endlessly debate speculative possibilities with you.
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@ Biff
“Yes, Solitaire, relatively peaceful compared to potential ethnic cleansing“
What you’re proposing is ethnic cleansing. The term doesn’t only apply to mass killings. One type of ethnic cleansing is to force an ethnic group to leave.
“obviously, when there’s a collapse it could get pretty nasty.”
The collapse you want to happen and said on this very thread that you were ready to actively work for. I don’t see you doing anything to try to avoid it getting pretty nasty.
“it doesn’t matter.“
Oh, it does matter, just not to you. You don’t care who gets hurt as long as you get what you want.
Apparently you don’t believe in property rights, either.
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biff, How do you plan to police your children’s sex life? Your pure white utopia may not be theirs. You can’t exclude the possibility that they might be attracted to “…woke Latin American style multiracial paradises, ruled over by a heavily guarded light-skinned elite…) This NYT story shows what can happen to parents who insist to policing such things.
( https://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/18/nyregion/teenager-and-boyfriend-admit-killing-parents-prosecutor-says.html)
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Alright gro jo, this still doesn’t have much to do with the election. Again, I’d say it’s not about me or my family personally. It’s about finding a way for Whites to not be bred out of existence within a couple centuries (something that doesn’t seem to be a danger for blacks, arabs or asians generally–though many asians have massive fertility issues, which I’ll address below). I don’t care much about NYT propaganda (even back in 2000). When they run a story like this, you have to ask why they are doing it, because they ALWAYS have an agenda.
For me personally, I just try to teach my children about the way the world works from a young age. For a daughter, it might be tougher–an elite education is a good way to ensure she gets brainwashed and makes it unlikely she will have multiple kids. A religious school or community college where she can attend from home would probably be safer. I get that you will think that’s horrible and borderline abusive, but the current system clearly isn’t working for educated women. Korea’s birthrate, for instance, is estimated to have fallen to .68 this year, despite all the incentives provided for family formation. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/28/fears-for-future-as-south-koreas-fertility-rate-drops-again#:~:text=The%20average%20number%20of%20babies,population%20at%20its%20current%20level. That’s insane (it’s less than 1/3 of the accepted replacement level) and national suicide. We’re not there yet in the US, largely because we have just imported more fertile people, but that’s just a recipe for population replacement.
Radical problems call for radical solutions. If you think about it rationally, it’s pretty obvious that young women shouldn’t be in the workplace before they’ve had a family and maybe shouldn’t even be going to college first. They should be strongly incentivized to have a family first and then businesses would be incentivized to hire them (and schools to admit them) so they can have a career–there’s plenty of time to work between 35 and 65 or 75. Most women aren’t very happy wasting their prime fertility years in a cubicle having dead end relationships anyway. The numbers don’t lie there either.
(waiting for Solitaire to interrupt with an angry diatribe)
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@ Biff
“A religious school or community college where she can attend from home would probably be safer.”
There will still be non-White students and international students at those schools. What are you going to do when your hypothetical daughter at a Christian college meets a fellow student who is the child of Palestinian Christian refugees, or a Christian immigrant from Ghana or Korea or Brazil, and they fall in love and want to get married?
What are you going to do if one of your sons wants to marry a good Christian girl who is the daughter of an AME minister?
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I think it’s time for some policy statements again; luckily, from me, they only come every few years…
I mean, the EU is raving about war, as is Iran, Israel, the Ukraine, and Russia, for starters.
I don’t want war. I don’t think any civilian does. No one wants to think they’re going to have to watch a ballistic missile approaching or a helicopter gunship strafing after them.
On the other hand I don’t want anyone to think their corny philosophy or religion has the right to do the same to us,
Gotta start somewhere
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“On the other hand I don’t want anyone to think their corny philosophy or religion has the right to do the same to us,Gotta start somewhere”
Not entirely sure what you’re getting at. Seems to me you’re statement is a lament for the end of Western impunity. Now missiles will fly west to punish westerners who go looking for trouble. A good thing, I say.
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“If you think about it rationally, it’s pretty obvious that young women shouldn’t be in the workplace before they’ve had a family and maybe shouldn’t even be going to college first. They should be strongly incentivized to have a family first and then businesses would be incentivized to hire them (and schools to admit them) so they can have a career–there’s plenty of time to work between 35 and 65 or 75. Most women aren’t very happy wasting their prime fertility years in a cubicle having dead end relationships anyway. The numbers don’t lie there either.”
Wow, bruh. that’s deep. White women should be saved from being cubicle careerists having meaningless sex, the path of perdition, to become what nature, god, pick your poison, intended them to be: Brood mares!
Doesn’t this ‘vision’ of yours make the following statement to Afrofem disingenuous?
“Afrofem, this Handmaid’s Tale stuff is liberal women’s wet dreams-literally. That kind of society never existed in the US and I’ve never heard conservatives say they wanted that.”
Your utopia recreates the essential part of that novel.
Bruh, how do you plan to incentivize them to pick your path over the one leading to “…woke Latin American style multiracial paradises, ruled over by a heavily guarded light-skinned elite…”?
It’s interesting that you dismiss the NYT article as propaganda. The father of the young man was an acquaintance of mine, his distress over this tragedy was nothing of the sort. The tale is as old as mankind, a guy named Shakespeare told a similar story a long time ago.
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It may be important to note that South Korea is the 15th highest-ranking country in population density. (Also, several of the nations ranked above it are small islands.)
The current density of South Korea is 533 people per square kilometer (1,379 per square mile). Compare this to their 1955 density of 227 per square kilometer. (The United States is currently at 37, for comparison.)
As of this year, 82 percent of South Korea’s population is urban. The country is largely mountainous, which limits the available land for further expansion.
South Korea has experienced several decades of rapid population growth, along with increased longevity. Mammals—including humans—have a natural tendency to breed less in over-crowded conditions, especially when there’s a low infant mortality rate.
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gro jo:
We’re talking about getting back to 2.1 replacement level, not having 10 kids and not multiple wives. Most women actually want 2+ kids. It’s 100% natural for both men and women to want children and that doesn’t make people brood mares. If you’re saying that women have been mere “brood mares” for 99%+ of human history, till they were liberated by the cubicle, that’s on you, bruh. Like you can’t undo the globalist programming in some areas.
They’d like to have kids and many would like to have a meaningful career as well. My proposal enables them to do this in a way that the current system obviously does not. Very smart women should have more kids, but in the current system they have fewer. That leads to the population getting dumber, which is not a good thing at all.
Solitaire:
Lots of bad things could happen to kids, including getting seduced by the trans culture (which was almost non-existent a couple decades ago) and chopping off their junk, getting hit by a bus or becoming a skank who can never pairbond. And, yes, the results of B/W relationships are famously bad, with offspring who usually (exception proves the rule) grow up without an involved father and learn to be jealous of and hate Whites. My job as a parent is just to do my best to prevent bad outcomes, but ultimately there’s no 100% sure way to do that.
Saying it’s OK for Korea to be at less than 1/3 of replacement level (and dropping like a rock) because it’s a crowded country ignores the underlying issues. Most Korean women would also like to be a mom. The current system doesn’t support that in practice. Again, I’m not saying they need to go back to having an average of 5+ kids like in the 50s, just that they need to reach sustainability, rather than resorting to importing foreign workers (which the globalists say they must do, despite the relatively crowded conditions).
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@ Biff
“exception proves the rule“
That phrase you keep using… it does not mean what you think it means.
https://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-exc1.htm
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/exceptional-proof/
“Saying it’s OK for Korea to be at less than 1/3 of replacement level“
I didn’t say it was OK. I said it’s explainable, that it’s part of nature. And I don’t believe the birth rate will keep “plummeting.” The article you linked to said if the current trend continues, Korea’s population could be halved by 2100. But that’s more than 75 years away. I don’t believe this trend will continue for anywhere near that long. You’re getting sucked in by sensationalist journalism.
If anything, South Korea’s current situation is due to overly rapid population growth over the course of about 30 to 40 years. That’s the underlying problem. You know what you said above about “relatively painless?” Well, some Koreans in the younger generations who want to be parents might not end up having children, or they might only have one child when they would like to have two. That is sad and unfortunate. But it’s relatively painless compared to other ways nature has of imposing a course correction on overpopulation.
“And, yes, the results of B/W relationships are famously bad, with offspring who usually (exception proves the rule) grow up without an involved father and learn to be jealous of and hate Whites.”
How interesting. I took care to make sure my examples included multiple different races, yet your reply focuses exclusively on Black/White. I also asked you what if your son married a Black woman. Based on the above, you suggest that in such a case your son would not be an involved father and his kids would grow up primarily with their Black mother. That was somewhat unexpected, I must admit.
“My job as a parent is just to do my best to prevent bad outcomes, but ultimately there’s no 100% sure way to do that.”
GroJo may be asking you how you’d prevent it, but I’m asking you what you would do if that “bad outcome” occurs. One of your sons brings home the young woman he wants to marry. Preacher’s kid, devout Christian, conservative in her morals and attire and behavior — and she’s Black.
What do you do?
Are you going to disown your son?
Are you going to refuse to see your grandkids?
If your White Dominionist prediction comes true, are you going to advise your son to take his wife and children off to NYC or Los Angeles, since they won’t be welcome in the new “ethnically homogenous block” where you are?
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“And, yes, the results of B/W relationships are famously bad, with offspring who usually (exception proves the rule) grow up without an involved father and learn to be jealous of and hate Whites.”
Hilarious, where did you pick up this spurious ‘statistics’ from? The offspring of B/W relationships I’m most familiar with, since they are family, have been well adjusted, prosperous and successful. Your exception proves the rule is your ticket to evade facts you don’t like.
The number of kids a woman has isn’t what would qualify her as a broodmare, it is the fact that she is defined mostly by her function to procreate.
In decent, “…woke Latin American style multiracial paradises, ruled over by a heavily guarded light-skinned elite…” children will be educated to have the opportunity to choose how they will live, in some cases, that will involve “..chopping off their junk.” Like you, I don’t like such choice, but it isn’t for us to tell somebody else what’s in their best interest.
“Very smart women should have more kids, but in the current system they have fewer. That leads to the population getting dumber, which is not a good thing at all.”
More spurious statistics. If this ‘claim’ is true, how do you account for the Flynn effect showing the exact opposite? IQ tests tend to show an upward trend as far as ‘intelligence’ goes.
“My job as a parent is just to do my best to prevent bad outcomes, but ultimately there’s no 100% sure way to do that.”
Very wise of you to recognize that it isn’t up to you how the next generation will be. What I’d like to know is how you’d cope if things didn’t work out according to your plans. What would be your reaction to a human being who shares a quarter of your DNA and has the legitimate right to call you “Gramps”?
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Solitaire and gro jo, look I get it that you guys would rather rehash racial issues than discuss the upcoming election or geopolitical events. However, we’re not going to agree on this stuff. You think it’s great that Whites are becoming a smaller part of the population in previously White supermajority countries. I don’t. Maybe I should turn it around and ask if Whites want to ensure that their descendants can live in countries that are majority White 100 years from now (as their people almost all have for the last 1000+ years) what is the best way to ensure that result?
Is the answer to accept anything foisted by the Jewish controlled mainstream media? grojo thinks so apparently:
“In decent, “…woke Latin American style multiracial paradises, ruled over by a heavily guarded light-skinned elite…” children will be educated to have the opportunity to choose how they will live, in some cases, that will involve “..chopping off their junk.” Like you, I don’t like such choice, but it isn’t for us to tell somebody else what’s in their best interest.”
I’d say nah… just as it would be for most of human history if you do something super destructive to the society you are essentially cast out. If this happens, the negative behavior is contained and not encouraged. There is actually less suffering in the aggregate because of the containment. Our ancestors knew these truths and lived with them for 1000s of years, and we saw some Disney movies and other propaganda and were told this stuff that is necessary for preserving civilization is intolerant or hateful. Need to deprogram from that. Btw, Flynn effect observably has been reversing in the West. Maybe you can figure out why (the scientists would lose their funding to discuss the main reason).
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@ Biff
“I get it that you guys would rather rehash racial issues than discuss the upcoming election or geopolitical events.”
I would rather you answer the questions posed to you, all of which arose from statements you made on this thread.
“However, we’re not going to agree on this stuff.”
Where did anyone say this is about agreeing? You come to this blog all the time to express beliefs which you know that no one here will possibly ever agree with. But then when you are challenged, you try to use “We’re never going to agree” as an escape key.
“You think it’s great that Whites are becoming a smaller part of the population in previously White supermajority countries. I don’t.”
What I think is that a hundred years ago, you would have been obsessing about how Anglo-Saxons in the USA were going to be outnumbered and overrun by Italians. I think this “population replacement” idea is a manufactured panic which you’ve swallowed hook, line, and sinker.
“Maybe I should turn it around and ask if Whites want to ensure that their descendants can live in countries that are majority White 100 years from now (as their people almost all have for the last 1000+ years) what is the best way to ensure that result?”
You and your fellow “dissident Whites” can save up your money, buy an uninhabited island, and test everyone’s DNA for racial impurity before allowing them into your monoracial paradise.
“I’d say nah… just as it would be for most of human history if you do something super destructive to the society you are essentially cast out.“
If your son married a Black woman, would this be super destructive to society in your eyes?
“If this happens, the negative behavior is contained and not encouraged. There is actually less suffering in the aggregate because of the containment.”
You say stuff like this as if you know nothing about history. There’s less “cutting off junk” in our present era than ever before. Eunuchs were an institution in cultures all around the globe for thousands of years. They generally were not given a choice, and in the process many young boys died of medical complications. In Europe it was done for music, to make male sopranos (castrati) — a completely unnecessary reason.
“Btw, Flynn effect observably has been reversing in the West. Maybe you can figure out why (the scientists would lose their funding to discuss the main reason).”
Once again Biff alludes to his belief that intelligence is somehow genetically linked to race, but if anyone tries to follow up on the issue with him, he will whine that it’s off-topic and derailing.
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“Btw, Flynn effect observably has been reversing in the West. Maybe you can figure out why (the scientists would lose their funding to discuss the main reason).”
I should take your word as fact?“I’d say nah… just as it would be for most of human history if you do something super destructive to the society you are essentially cast out.“
How do you plan to do that?
“Maybe I should turn it around and ask if Whites want to ensure that their descendants can live in countries that are majority White 100 years from now (as their people almost all have for the last 1000+ years) what is the best way to ensure that result?”
Happy to oblige. Go East young man, move to Russia. (https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2023/08/our-very-own-what.html)
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For future reference, just going to note that the discussion above was continued to some extent on the thread at this link.
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I think it’s the quotation marks. Ever since WordPress did this update, I’ve been having trouble with it changing straight quotes to curly (usually going in the wrong direction, too).
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