Do Brown lives matter? By Brown, with a capital B, I mean non-Black POC (people of colour) in the US, anyone who is neither Black nor White: Latinos, Asians, Natives, Muslims, Others, etc. And, the way things are going, maybe Jews too.
Note: Strictly speaking Latinos and Muslims are not races, but in the US in the 2010s they are close enough, certainly close enough for the purposes of this post. “Muslim”, by the way, includes Sikhs, and any Arab person, since most Islamophobes do not know the difference.
It should go without saying that Brown lives matter. But over and over again, whenever I do a post on Brown lives, some commenter, sooner or later, is going to inform me that said Brown people do not like Black people, meaning that I should not waste my breath on them.
But Brown lives do matter:
- Because all lives matter. While it is understandable that Blacks will be mainly concerned about Blacks, Asians about Asians, Whites about Whites, and so on, that concern should never be so narrow and limited as to shut out concern for others. Pro-Black should not mean anti-Brown. After all, if it is wrong to be against Black people because of their skin colour, it is wrong to be against anyone else because of their skin colour.
- Because racism against any strengthens racism against all. It is all part of the same mindset – White supremacy. Although racism takes different forms against different races, racism tends to weaken or strengthen as a whole. At least in the US. The Chinese Exclusion Act, for example, was passed at the same time as Jim Crow laws. Likewise, the Immigration Act of 1965 was passed during the Civil Rights Era.
Part of why I do posts on Brown people is because White people are not as good at hiding their anti-Brown racism, particularly their Islamophobia. It gives me a better understanding of their much better-hidden anti-Black racism.
Divide and rule: In the US people of colour either hang together or they will hang separately. So long as Whites are able to divide people of colour against each other, Whites will rule, no matter how small their numbers.
I used to think 2042 would be some kind of turning point, the year Whites become less than half the US. I no longer believe that. The rise of Donald Trump makes clear that a good number of Brown people (and some Blacks too) will vote for an open racist.
Counter-frames: I need to do a proper post on Brown Trump voters (and Black ones too), but it seems that many Asians and Latinos are too new to the country to fully understand what is going on. They have weak counter-frames, as sociologist Joe Feagin would say. They trust Whites too much and believe in the fool’s gold of becoming honorary Whites. They have not lived through enough US history to learn the hard way.
– Abagond, 2017.
See also:
- The three pillars of US racism – my main way of thinking about it
- Oppression Olympics – see the thread below for an example (I am saying that even before I post this!)
- counter-frames
- Islamophobia
- people of colour
- Che Guevara
- The nadir of US race relations
- The Trump Era
- two-race model
- Black Liberals
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“The rise of Donald Trump makes clear that a good number of Brown people (and some Blacks too) will vote for an open racist”
I believe that many Blacks, Brown or people of color what ever you want to call them voted against Mrs. Clinton more than for President Trump.
I doubt if anyone will ever know, because as President Trumps falters more individual will start to hide their vote.
Certainly the few anti Lying Hillary individuals who comment regularly on this site will never change. They will love Mr Honest (Not a liar) Trump until their dying day.
You do remember “any one is better than that Lying Hillary Clinton with her cheating everyone in sight”.
Once again “be careful what you ask for you might get it.”
How Does President Pence sound?
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“How Does President Pence sound?”
Way better than President Allen Shaw!
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“The rise of Donald Trump makes clear that a good number of Brown people (and some Blacks too) will vote for an open racist.”
sure. when the 0nly perceived alternative is a closet racist who’s crooked and wants to go to war with Russia.
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“How Does President Pence sound?”
he’s vice president and ive never heard him speak but I imagine he sounds like a chipmunk
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I’m a bit shocked you took such a strong stance on including Brown people in this post, considering most of your post center on Blacks.
Recently for the protest involving “life without immigrants” the true racism of whites came out. A teacher posted how much quieter and more in line his classroom was without immigrants. Another posted how clean the classrooms were and fast the lunch went because they did not have to wait on the “government leeches”. A student even said that his grades were better and all those gone were low grade students anyway. It hurts. However, it must be said that this should be a wake-up call on what white supremacy really is. Supporting it has gotten them nowhere.
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There is no “people of color solidarity”. Why don’t you understand this?
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sure. when the 0nly perceived alternative is a closet racist who’s crooked and wants to go to war with Russia. and has been responsible for bombing many many brown people and destroying the most prosperous nation in Africa.
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“Whenever I do a post on Brown lives, some commenter, sooner or later, is going to inform me that said Brown people do not like Black people, meaning that I should not waste my breath on them.” – Abagond
In most instances, I believe you get this type of response or antagonism from Black people targeting Brown people stems from us having been and still are being utilized as the workhorse, for lack of a better term on Amerika’s long term conditioning plantation. Damn near all, if not all of the so-called civil right laws have been enacted due to the civil skirmishes and mass protestations of American Blacks. But ironically, we probably benefit the least in return.
Yes Brown people, you have also been successfully conditioned by Amerika’s social machinations. More to the point, as a group, you have been socially steered, perhaps unknowingly by the implementation of B.F. Skinner’s Operant Conditioning Theory. A theory designed to reward the less confrontational group and in the alternative, punish the more confrontation and aggressive group. In short, it’s a behavior modification system.
I must say Brown peoples, you have conformed to the standard well enough to reap a slightly larger piece of the social pie due to being too damn docile and unassertive. Just don’t think you’re special.
Due to the ebb and flow of our struggles, the social gradient for Brown people have always rested on a static, but diminished arch, thereby, reaping the benefits from our tears, sweat and blood in battles against white supremacy, without Brown people having to put up much of a fight for them to state their case.
Oh, … pardon me, we as Black people have fought their battles already, therefore, no need for them to state their grievances.
We as Black people are the primary soldiers here. This explains why we feel the brunt of whatever supposed new tool employed to keep us in our place. Now, its tRump’s turn. We as Black people are the foot soldiers in confronting the marshalling of counter forces that seek to destroy us. We have been the guardians of social mobility and carried the leadership mantle for quite some time now.
I know that “divide and conquer” is the ultimate objective of white supremacy. However, at some point, Brown people must begin to carry their own dead weight. This includes newly arrived Black and Brown immigrants as well.
We as American Blacks are getting tired, therefore, you OTHER folks, step up to the plate, it’s your turn!
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“They trust Whites too much and believe in the fool’s gold of becoming honorary Whites.”
Yet, there is the paradox of Asian, Arab, Jewish and some Latino Millennials ignoring that playbook and seeking coalition with their Black cohorts. Many of the Millennials seem to realize that they will live in a plural America and world.
They seem to want to balance honoring their ethnic heritage with some degree of harmony with other non-European groups. That is a far cry from the attitudes of previous generations who saw Whiteness as the American Holy Grail.
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“The rise of Donald Trump makes clear the complete and utter failure of the Democratic Party to represent its core constituents. Until the Dems can put forth better candidates than Clinton and Obama they can kiss the possibility of any future presidency goodbye. The Obama administration revealed the scam. The jig is up. Since youre never going to put forth a progressive candidate you might as well crawl away and die. I’m not falling for lesserevilism ever again. Let the Democratic Party die! Greater evilism all the way.!!! Devil take the hindmost!!!
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@blakksage
Exactly!! That is the common theme among a lot of Black people, particularly Black Americans. We have carried the weight of our movements and theirs on our back and we are tired. Most Brown people feel that we should still carry and will call us racist if we don’t openly step up to do so. They have got to do the work. Oddly enough they don’t see this expectation of us as the same as white see us as slaves to their will.
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“Damn near all, if not all of the so-called civil right laws have been enacted due to the civil skirmishes and mass protestations of American Blacks. But ironically, we probably benefit the least in return.”
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“We have carried the weight of our movements and theirs on our back and we are tired. Most Brown people feel that we should still carry and will call us racist if we don’t openly step up to do so.”
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Since we are still in many ways at the bottom of the ladder, I say let them do their own heavy lifting! Their businesses don’t treat us well or with respect in (or out of) our own communities and their BROWN voices are rarely heard whenever whiteness rains down psychological and/or physical devastation upon us! (Yet somehow many of us manage to thrive in spite of it – let the BROWN folks get their own mojo or juice!)
We have no business helping anyone else MORE than we are actually helping ourselves. PERIOD!
The only place we need to look for solidarity is to the Spirit Force (anointing) that lives withIN ourselves. If we could learn to do this (in unity) we will have finally found the KEY to our own reality-destiny!
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A thoughtful and well stated piece and one i’ve heard since the 60’s and before that as class and race can be equally destructive and oppressive. It how far you are on the spectrum to the left as to how much credence you give to one over the other.
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@ Afrofem
Agreed, and I think the generation coming up behind the Millennials is going to be even stronger in this respect.
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“So long as Whites are able to divide people of colour against each other, Whites will rule, no matter how small their numbers.”
White people know this and they do it on purpose. It is a strategy used from the highest positions in the land down to the local school boards and town halls. They use divide-and-conquer because it works, and they will continue to use it until it stops working.
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I think abagond explained previously about how “Whites” expand their definition of “White” to include more people….Blacks can do the same?…why not make “Black” a symbol not of race but of oppression so that all who are dealt with unjustly or oppressed are “Black” in the American context? So Blacks can even have “honorary Blacks” and other such things?
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“… why not make “Black” a symbol not of race but of oppression so that all who are dealt with unjustly or oppressed are “Black” in the American context? So Blacks can even have “honorary Blacks” ”
@ Anon
PLEASE point out to me these people who would willingly volunteer to become Black, temporarily, honorarily or otherwise.
Black Hispanics/Latinos (Dominicans/Mexicans…) usually distance themselves as far away as possible from Black people.
Even those irish people who refer to themselves as Black irish do not want any true (or pretend) association or connectivity with Black people. That especially goes for one particular confused/lost/loser racist irish poster who hangs out here because he’s too lonely when he inhabits his own site. Anyway, everyone wants to appropriate our slang, music, fashions, styles, etc all while simultaneously DISLIKING and HATING Black people. They want our stuff but don’t want us too close!
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“…whenever I do a post on Brown lives, some commenter, sooner or later, is going to inform me that said Brown people do not like Black people…”
“Pro-Black should not mean anti-Brown”
It is very misleading to suggest one has to do with the other. There’s nothing “anti-Brown” about pointing out a group’s disdain for blacks. That’s like saying abagond’s attention to white racism is somehow anti-white.
“The rise of Donald Trump makes clear that a good number of Brown people (and some Blacks too) will vote for an open racist.”
Whether you voted for Trump or his opponent, you still voted for an open racist. That means you too, abagond, despite your weak attempts to ignore her open racism. And despite the paycheck you receive.
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@resw
“Whether you voted for Trump or his opponent, you still voted for an open racist.”
Yep. I call her a closet racist because people, dont seem to recognize her racism. Otherwise how could they lament the fact that she lost to a racist? What the heck was the difference? One racist lost to another racist! What’s the big deal? Why all the protests? Especially when you’ve had a racist in black face for 8 years. Trump is just continuing Obama’s racist (anti-black, bombing and deporting brown people) policies. Whether you voted for Trump or his opponent, you still voted for a racist. When have we ever voted for anything els? Reagan was a racist. Bush was a racist. Clinton was a racist. Bush was a racist. Obama was a racist. Trump is a racist. I think that’s one of the prerequisites for the job.
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A rare occasion where I kind of disagree with Abagond.
I don’t think it’s a question of becoming an honorary white…outside the US they ARE white and they treat blacks accordingly.
I’ve lived in Latin America and traveled throughout north Africa and the middle east…people there do NOT have sympathy/empathy for black people or any concept of solidarity with us. In most cases they treat Blacks with open disdain, disrespect and outright hatred. There was never a black civil rights movement or leader in any of those places…but when they get here and their whiteness is stripped and they’re put in “their place” suddenly they want to take advantage of black Americans’ long-established history of resistance and fight for justice. They’re firmly on the side of whiteness until they lose theirs. Everyone’s a George Lopez until the roundups begin. I was an abeed until YOU got banned.
Yet again blacks are not the problem here…white racism is, and it’s not unique to the USA. They want our platform and our strength, not our brotherhood.
I empathize but I don’t have any illusions about their hearts and minds.
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Addendum: they’re not “Brown” until they get here, that’s a function/construct of the US…elsewhere they’re white and their main concern is to regain that white status and its privileges. They’re perfectly willing to use us to do it.
We’re the toughest people on this planet. That is no secret. People want to attach themselves to that historical strength…but only when it suits them. When it comes to our issues, blacks tend to march alone.
I don’t see it as divide and rule…you have to first be united to be divided. Their goal is to make sure their white status transfers to the US, NOT justice and equal rights for blacks.
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Afrofem,
I agree. There are more coming up that are trying to bridge the gap, but they too have anti-black attitudes that appear and still need to be dealt with before any real collaboration can take place. We have had to ask several people to leave because of this and an unwillingness to self critique the issue.
Fan …
Thank you!!!
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@munubantu
I think your query about Black people and immigrants has been answered.
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@nomad
“When have we ever voted for anything els? Reagan was a racist. Bush was a racist. Clinton was a racist. Bush was a racist. Obama was a racist. Trump is a racist. I think that’s one of the prerequisites for the job.”
It does indeed.
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@Butthenwhy
“I empathize but I don’t have any illusions about their hearts and minds.”
Same here.
I might add that I observe and empathize, but don’t harbor illusions about where Black people stand in the global racial hierarchy.
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@ Butthenwhy
This is why I would like to see my North American Black cousins to show more curiosity and interest in knowing other societies outside Western countries (White societies). A visit to any Latin American or Middle Eastern society can be a eye-opener, especially if it is an extended visit where you have the opportunity to go beyond first impressions. After that I doubt that your Weltanschauung would not be severely shaken, in particular regarding races and race relations.
In the 80’s I spend some years studying in Germany. I remember that foreign students there were organized not only according to nation of origin but also by region (aggregate of nations). One thing that struck me at the time was the fact that all students of Maghreb’s origin were associated in pan-Arab organisations (which included non-African Arab students) and not even one with a pan-African one (that would include Black African students). First I thought that it was merely an organizational thing. They preferred probably to associate themselves with others based on culture rather than continent. But soon I had closer encounters with students of North African origin and I realized that they didn’t like to be called ‘African’.
I remember also one film that I saw at that time with my German girlfriend. It was a French-Algerian film that depicted the life of Algerians in France. I felt a deep identification with those Algerians who were oft mistreated by French citizens and abused by police and other authorities, as the film showed. But at one point I was struck by one of the Algerians characters who, protesting his condition, said something like “these people here mistreat us so badly, as if we were Blacks! this it’s not fair!”. I was so deeply offended that my girlfriend had to calm me saying ‘that was only a way of expression they used, certainly not intended to offend Blacks’
Fast-forward to the present…
One very interesting thing of the present times is the way Black African governments relate to Arab governments (from North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula). The relationships are mainly friendly, even when there are reports of abuses committed against Black individuals or groups in Arab countries. The last case was during the war in the former Republic of Sudan (that splinted as a result of said war). An older case was the mistreatment received by dark skinned persons in Mauritania, which even pretended that they were not nationals of that country. Essentially most Black African governments didn’t voice any significant protest to their Arab partners at ex-Organisation of African Union (now African Union).
The main conclusion is that Black African governments follow economic interests in their relationships with other governments, including the Arab governments. This is in opposite direction with what they did in a recent past vis-a-vis the Apartheid regime in South Africa. In that case they decided in unison to stand against the regime in all modes possible, seeing the regime as an insult against Black humanity, in general, and not only against the South African Blacks, in particular.
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@munubantu
I’m as regular as regular gets, but I’ve been fortunate to travel 5 continents and live on 3 because I’m fascinated by people, and want to learn everything I can about black people wherever we may be.
To my mind we are magic and almost always make everything better. Pick a continent. Pick a food. Pick a language. Pick a fashion. Pick a music genre.
So I’m admittedly, proudly, biased.
I have many (unsolicited) opinions, but mostly I believe we need to cut ourselves some slack because no one else faces what we do, and we need to stop worrying about everyone else and let them carry their own weight. They always come to us when they need us while we struggle alone.
We’re almost a billion strong and rising. Smart, beautiful, creative, resilient, funny, loving people…and everyone knows it. Own it.
So yes, brown lives matter but they can’t only notice us when they’re suddenly treated like us. We see them just fine.
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“But soon I had closer encounters with students of North African origin and I realized that they didn’t like to be called ‘African’.” – Munubantu
Perhaps you got this type of response due to most of North Africa/Middle East, especially the country Egypt, in reality, are descendants or lineage of the Ottoman Turks. Those students were correct, they aren’t really African!
“This is why I would like to see my North American Black cousins to show more curiosity and interest in knowing other societies outside Western countries (White societies). A visit to any Latin American or Middle Eastern society can be a eye-opener, especially if it is an extended visit where you have the opportunity to go beyond first impressions.” – Munubantu
I have a question for you. Why is it so difficult for you to grasp an elementary concept that people have different life experiences? Generally speaking, people’s individual experiences are independent, not dependent upon someone else’s encounter (insert Munubantu’s experience here).
Furthermore, you are incapable of pollinating us Black Americans with your rosy picture of other cultures and what we should feel about them, simply due to your personal experience. After all, how does that actually work? Would it involve denying the fact that someone of another culture refuse to provide service you at a restaurant? Does it involve denying the experience of having the door slammed in your face after submitting an application for a small bucolic? Would it involve deny having experienced being arrested for a crime you didn’t commit (insert Senorita here or some other national damsel)?
If it involved denying any type of personal experience merely to fit Munubantu’s proposal/personal narrative, it would not only be overwhelmingly weird, but highly irrational, teetering on the brink of being absurd!
Just because your experience while in South America was different from the average person’s experience on this board, still doesn’t make you any less or more correct. Sorry ‘bout that, but you do not have the authority to project your experiences upon other people. Move on!
Selah!
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Honestly I love Abagondsr blog. I’ve leaned so much
But F**K Latino’s, Asians, Arabs.
Let the wall fall on the top of them for all I care.
Latino’s, Asian’s, Arab’s can’t stand black people and they all love white people.
Black people have been puting in work for 500 years against white supremacy. Now sh*t is getting heavy they are looking for some help or some bond with blacks.
They’re quaking in their boots, because all that ass kissing for whites, all that being a watchdog for whites has come back to bite them on there ass.
If your a team down in the 4th quarter, I’m not bothered how the other across town is getting on. F**K EM.
Treat them EXACTLY how they treat us.
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I agree with EVERYONE that says we should not be defending Arabs or Latinos!!! Those assholes have never once had our back then have the arrogant nerve to demand that we stand with them when white mommy and daddy give them a nasty little spanking. Not this time fools HOLD YOUR OWN NUTS!!!
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@ blakksage
I agree.
In fact, I don’t want to project anything upon anybody here.
What I want is to share some of my life experiences with other people.
Sharing, is the keyword.
It is up to those other people to extract whatever they find valuable and reject the rest. It was always so, anyway…
Peace.
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@blakksage
North Africans are not the descendent of “Ottoman Turks”. They are actually a multiracial people, sort of akin to Puerto Ricans. They are a mixture of native North African, Arab, European (Spanish), and West African. They are generally about 10-15% West African, often Senegalese. They are not from the Caucuses. Check out YouTube for North African DNA tests.
And they are well known racists. I was planning a trip to Morocco last year, and changed my mind after reading some of the horrid experiences of West Africans in Morocco. I’d rather not pay to be spat on in front of my kids. Don’t want my kids to see their mother fighting in the streets of Marrakech.
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@Patent Clerk,
thanks for giving me a brief moment of chuckles!
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@abagond…(https://youtu.be/gY5kmChE5XU)
Thoughts???
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@Patent Clerk
“North Africans are not the descendent of “Ottoman Turks”.”
LOL! It never fails smh
In case you didn’t know, “Ottoman Turks” ruled the N. African coast directly for CENTURIES. For example, Muhammad Ali Pasha, who was born in Ottoman Greece, ruled Egypt from Egypt.
So unless you can tell us where he, his Ottoman successors and all the Ottoman Turks he let into Egypt suddenly vanished, I’ll have to logically conclude that people in that region also descend from Ottomans.
“They are a mixture of native North African, Arab, European (Spanish), and West African”
No not everyone, and certainly not a majority of N. Africans, share that admixture.
And most European admixture comes from the Ottoman slave trade (which involved millions of slaves from all over Europe), another part of history many N. Africans ignore–like the existence of mostly indigenous black N. Africans like the Masmuda of Morocco, the Toubou in Libya, etc.
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@nomad
“Yep. I call her a closet racist because people, dont seem to recognize her racism. ”
Right, the msm doesn’t like to dwell on open racism at the hand of the political elites, and abagond just makes excuses for it. I recall when abagond first claimed it was all “dog whistles”, and then when I pointed out specific examples, the argument shifted to Trump is “MORE openly racist”. Then when I pointed to racist policies, his argument suddenly was about “more power”.
In other words, excuses on top of excuses.
Abagond talks about playing the “oppression olympics” but is guilty of playing the open racist olympics when it comes to establishment Democrats, especially the leader for whom he campaigned.
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@resw
“Trump is just continuing Obama’s racist (anti-black, bombing and deporting brown people) policies. ”
What Blanc2 said really fleshes out this statement.
. “…What is happening now, in the first weeks of Trump, has mostly been planned for months, beginning under Obama. Obama’s nickname “deporter in chief” was well earned.”
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@Patent Clerk said: “North Africans are not the descendent of “Ottoman Turks”.”
Then resw chimed in: “LOL! It never fails smh.”
THANK YOU resw, I find comical when people like Patent Clerk post a comment referring to history, but yet, clearly they don’t know a darn thing about history.
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@Deb
Only watched the first few minutes. I know where Yvette is coming from. I get the same kind of accusations. One of my friends even likened me to Bill O’Reilly! LOL! The brother makes kind of the same point I’ve been making. Essentially they’re all racists. What’s the sanity in protesting Republican racists and not Democrat racists? When the Democrats are more insidious and dangerous? Like Obama. I disagree with the brother in this instance. Obama was -is- a racist.
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“It was always so, anyway… – Munubantu
I find out feelings towards each other to be quite mutual, so, anyway……EFF U!!
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@ Deb
Thanks. I will let you know what I think.
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@Kiwi
‘ Blacks and Whites share a common interest in denying Natives sovereignty and self-rule and they worked together to strip Natives of their homelands.’
Where are you getting this from? Sounds bogus.
Also this.
” some Blacks who were former slaves went on to own Black slaves themselves.”
The blacks who owned slaves were seldom if ever slaves themselves. They were generally the offspring of pre-Revolutionary free mulattoes.
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As long as we are making a distinction, That was a faction of browns to whom black lives didn’t matter. Much like South Africa during apartheid.
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“Because Asians, Latinos, Muslims etc are relatively newer to the country, Blacks and Whites share a common interest in shutting out other races to preserve their privileged position in the world’s mightiest empire.” – Kiwi
Hahahahahaha, …smh!
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@blakksage
“their privileged position in the world’s mightiest empire” ick!!!
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@ Deb
I saw the first half hour of that Yvette Carnell video. Based on that:
She assumes the whole immigration issue is about “jobs”. That is like saying the Muslim ban is about “terrorism”. Or that the War on Drugs is about drugs. It is a racist dog whistle.
Most Trump voters are not being thrown out of work by Mexicans or other immigrants. Far from it. Instead they are afraid of becoming a minority. And why is that? Because deep down they know what a terrible deal minorities get. So instead of trying to make the US fair for everyone, they cling to their advantages like a greasy pole, with stuff like voter suppression and immigration control. To help them do that is a huge mistake. And to give Trump and Sessions any bit of legitimacy would be even worse since they are only deepening the racial nadir.
That is not to say the US does not need a sensible immigration or drug policy. It does. Both are hideously screwed up. But Trump, from his rhetoric and early moves, is hardly the person to set it right.
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Kiwi was always anti-Black. He was attracted to this forum because he thought the Black people here were too intellectually challenged to notice his bigotry. He thought he could guide Black people with his superior Asian wisdom and they would be grateful.
What a shock when Black people proved they had minds, opinions and concerns of their own——-and they didn’t mesh with his opinions and concerns.
A greater shock is the level of pushback on his dearly held beliefs. How dare Black people refute his poorly thought out and presented claims about their lives! Not to mention the repetitive tropes he employs to bash Black people.
Oh the horror!
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@Fan @resw
Comments deleted for talking about another commenter’s sex life.
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@ Abagond
How is mentioning what kiwi himself brought to this site, droning on and on about white men – asian women relationships talking about his sex life???
smh
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@ Fan
That is not all you said.
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@ abagond
What part of what I said was about his sex life???
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@ Fan
Are you nuts? I delete a comment and then you reproduce it and ask me what is wrong with it.
Until further notice, your comments will be automatically moderated. If you try to avoid moderation, you will be banned.
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@ Fan
It is the bit about the locker room that got the comment deleted.
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Wow, I have been following this blog for 6 years and I have never seen that. Did I miss something?
Anyhow the comment policy specifies about another commenter’s sex life, and I have seen that here sometimes, including this specific time (before it got deleted).
The comment policy says nothing about discussing one’s own anyhow, unless it is “about genitals”, “obscene or linked to obscene material”, “necrophilic”, etc. Do people think that we need to revise the comment policy?
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@ abagond
*”Are you nuts? I delete a comment and then you reproduce it and ask me what is wrong with it.
If you try to avoid moderation, you will be banned.”*
So, a longtime regular asking you a specific question is ground for banishment??
You know what? You should do whatever is on your heart and mind to do!
That part about the locker room had nothing to do with his sex life! Why not just admit that there is a certain group of people here that you don’t like because their political view of the US and understanding of how the world works differs from your own point of view – thus you use your power as site owner to delete certain comments that aren’t even borderline violations of your comment policy.
You allow a white racist to remain after he: insults a Black woman by telling her to fook the dead, puts up racist images of the president and his wife as chimpanzees, insults Sharina and Herneith (two more Black women) for no good reason while conversing with another white racist troll, blithely uses your blog to spam and champion everything under the sun that’s a part of his pathetic agenda. Now you’re threatening to ban me for asking you to point out my infraction because I had the audacity to re-post my comment after you deleted it.
Resw is dead on the nail right about your relationships with scrib and some others here. Even I sometimes wonder whose site this is. Kiwi began as your fan & supporter but somehow fell to the dark side when he began attacking all manner of things BLACK.
Yet your hate of the anti-Hillary group supersedes even your dislike of the kiwi rhetoric.
What in the hell happened to you, Abagond?? Where did your Black warrior heart go? Or were you just jiving and pretending all along??? Shame on you!!
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Jefe
You didn’t miss it but simply ignored it. Any long time lurker or commenter know that kiwi Harped on white men/ Asian women relationships for years. In fact that was part of the reason he did not like biff and others was based in their relationships with Asian women.
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You add that is probably the reason he spazzed on p**** because she chose a white man to date and not him or someone like him.
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@abagond
LOL. I said nothing about anyone’s sex life. But you’re forgiven for not understanding the meaning of the word “emasculate”.
And yes, I stand by that comment, as well as the one about kiwi’s complete ignorance putting the “smart Asian” stereotype firmly to rest.
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@ Fan
I would not ban you for questioning a deletion, but for trying to avoid automatic moderation.
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@Fan…
+1000. Abagond’s hypocrisy and bias has been exposed thoroughly. This is just another example to add to the list.
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correction: Abagond’s LIES, hypocrisy and bias…
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The genial host’s bias was there for all to see. I make him uneasy so my comments are arbitrarily sent to moderation only to come out of it unmolested, minutes to days late!
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resw, aren’t you engaging in the pot (you) calling the kettle (Abagond) black?
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@Sharina
Yes, of course I know about that part, and how much he harped on it. In fact, I even replied to a few comments that were particularly scathing about their offspring.
But, I recall that they were pretty much all about relationships, not about actual sex.
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@gro jo
No.
I actually back up my claims. Too bad you can’t do the same.
And the only reason you and your racist colleague lord of mirkwood have been rightfully moderated lately is because I demonstrated abagond’s bias towards you both on multiple occasions.
Abagond’s just trying to save face at this point. But don’t fret, keep espousing your love for your boss and hate for Trump and Russia, and you’ll be back in his good graces in no time.
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@Jefe
“recall that they were pretty much all about relationships.”—True, but his inability to get or maintain a relationship is what fan… and resw were poking fun at. Both comments were categorized as remarks on sex life and deleted. If they are now considered sex life talk then it is safe to say kiwi always talks about his sex life.
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resw, I have one question for you, are you Omarosa?
“Abagond’s just trying to save face at this point. But don’t fret, keep espousing your love for your boss and hate for Trump and Russia, and you’ll be back in his good graces in no time.”
Thanks for proving the point I was trying to make. Yes I do hate Trump based on his long record of racism. Does the Central Park jogger rape mean anything to you? Probably not. I have no love or hate for Russia. I admire the Russians for their capacity to survive disasters. HRC, the ‘boss’ you refer to I hate as much as Trump, her good friend. I wrote the following on her campaign against Sanders: ““Support: She is heavily supported by big banks and, at least according to opinion polls so far, Black voters. She runs about even with Sanders among White voters.”
Let me get this straight, Black voters support her? BLM wants her to apologize? Apparently, it’s not just poor Whites who vote against their interests. It’s obvious that mass lead poisoning, and its deleterious effect on brains, didn’t start recently with Flint, but decades earlier!… on Sun 28 Feb 2016 at 07:46:47
gro jo
“You’re tricking yourself if you think either one of them has black people’s interests at heart. Bernie doesn’t care enough about black voters to even pander to them.”
True. So, how much is Clinton paying you to shill for her?” https://abagond.wordpress.com/2016/02/27/hillary-clinton-2016/#comments. “on Sun 1 Jan 2017 at 22:47:40
gro jo
“I expect with a Trump presidency, Putin will have the green light to expand Russian influence abroad including military incursions.” Really, to what end? Russia’s intervention in Syria was based on the need to curb the Jihadists unleashed by the USA and its Arab Sheikh allies. Ukraine was the handiwork of the CIA that now cries foul because the Russians allegedly unmasked HRC for the two face liar she is.” https://abagond.wordpress.com/2016/12/31/2016/#comments
I can produce more quotes in the same vein. Abagond has a ways to go to catch up with you in the bs artist race.
“And the only reason you and your racist colleague lord of mirkwood have been rightfully moderated lately is because I demonstrated abagond’s bias towards you both on multiple occasions.
Delusional as ever. I haven’t been around lately due to the fact that Abagond’s parroting the mass media’s claims about Trump and Putin bored me, and to protest the seeming cancellation of Black History month. I commented to get a rise out of you. It worked.
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@gro jo
“resw, I have one question for you, are you Omarosa?”
No. Are you Debbie Wasserman-Schultz? You sure are shilling like you are.
“I haven’t been around lately”
“Recently” and “lately” are relative, genius.
And yes, abagond has only started moderating you and your racist colleague lord of mirkwood, after I pointed out abagond’s bias:
“I commented to get a rise out of you. It worked.”
Apparently you’re the delusional one.
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@sharinalr
“True, but his inability to get or maintain a relationship is what fan… and resw were poking fun at. ”
For the record, I have no knowledge of kiwi’s comments about relationships as I didn’t read any of them nor abagond’s posts about the same.
Abagond somehow contorted two words, “emasculate” and “locker room”, to accuse me of talking about someone’s sex life. Maybe that kind of thing happens at abagond’s gym, but not at mine.
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resw, now everybody knows that you are a liar, and a snitch. Your parents must be so proud.
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@gro jo
Your denial of the FACT that you called another commenter “nono” for months proves that you’re the liar.
And I’ll accept your “snitch” label since it’s not a stigma in my culture. But abagond already knew you were breaking his rule repeatedly, he just allowed it because you’re a fellow campaign colleague and nomad doesn’t repeat you guys’ propaganda.
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Delusional as ever. Where have I denied calling nomad “nono”? I did so until a snitch ratted me out and I stopped. I mistakenly thought it was “nono” who objected, it was you all along. Now go report me to your boss, the chief censor.
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“Where have I denied calling nomad “nono”?”
Backtracking as usual, I see. I take it accusing someone of being a “liar” was yet another of your many baseless claims.
“Now go report me to your boss”
Good try. But any regular reader can see that abagond despises me because I don’t buy his propaganda and I regularly call out abagond’s lies, hypocrisy and bias.
That’s why he falsely accuses me of breaking rules and deletes my comments MINUTES after posting them.
On the contrary, abagond lets you break actual rules for MONTHS at a time because that’s your reward for supporting his favourite candidate.
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resw, not only are you a snitch and liar, you don’t know how to read. The rule was that if somebody objects to the name change he/she complains to Abagond and the violator is warned not to do it again. Sharinalr did so and I stopped, Lordy never complained so I kept on calling him by that name. I thought nomad had complained so I stopped. I never dreamed that Abagond let you browbeat him into violating his own rule! My esteem of this gentleman has gone down a few notches more. Good job on intimidating him though. I guess it pays to be a pain in the butt. On a more serious note, let me thank you for your mentioning the “indigenous black N. Africans like the Masmuda of Morocco, the Toubou in Libya, etc.”! It’s these nuggets of useful information that stops me from writing you off completely. I’d like you to expand on them if that’s not to much of a burden for you.
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@gro jo
Interesting. Now why would someone have to rat you out for something you were doing publicly? Everybody, including Abagond, could see your abusive behavior for themselves.
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Interesting. How was it abusive to call you by a diminutive of an obviously fake name? Doubly interesting was your passivity in the face of such ‘heinous’ attack.
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I don’t respond to every jerk with a chip on his shoulder. Its a waste of time. Where do you get this crap? Who said heinous? You. Give the pettiness a rest.
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“nomad
I don’t respond to every jerk with a chip on his shoulder. Its a waste of time. Where do you get this crap? Who said heinous? You. Give the pettiness a rest.”
Is this the best you’ve got? nomad, haven’t you learned by now that I’m better at this put-down stuff than you are?
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in your delusions. your put downs are pretty asinine and juvenile. but hey, as long as you think so. that’s all that matters.
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@gro jo
“The rule was that if somebody objects to the name change he/she complains to Abagond and the violator is warned not to do it again.”
No need to make things up. The comment policy clearly states, and I quote, “I reserve the right to delete comments that are: ad hominem attacks or name calling (OR USING PEOPLE’S WRONG NAMES).” Nothing else.
“It’s these nuggets of useful information that stops me from writing you off completely.”
I know, I educate you constantly. And I’m still waiting on some “nuggets of useful information” from you.
“I’d like you to expand on them if that’s not to much of a burden for you”
And I’d like you to be reasonable for once, but I guess we don’t always get what we want.
@nomad
” Everybody, including Abagond, could see your abusive behavior for themselves.”
We can’t expect gro jo to be reasonable. He’s just upset his colleague abagond revoked his special privileges in order to save face.
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@blakksage. It’s a biological fact. Go to YouTube and find out for yourself.
And regarding history, just because someone rules a region doesn’t make the people in that region the same ethnicity. South Africa was ruled by Western Europeans for centuries. That doesn’t mean that most people in South Africa are Western European (or even partially so). This is true to an even greater extent in West Africa and India. You would hard pressed to find a West African or person from India with majority European ancestry (or any at all). While Ottoman Turks may have ruled North Africa, they did not mix extensively with the native population, as evidenced by DNA. North Africans are generally native North African, Arab, European, and West African. Those are the facts.
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@Patent Clerk
“This is true to an even greater extent in West Africa and India.”
Apples and oranges.
First, W. Africa was ruled by W. European countries for at most a period of 100 years before the big wave of independence.
N. Africa (for the most part) was ruled by Ottomans for 500 years.
Many Ottoman Eurasians emigrated to N. Africa, while very few Europeans emigrated to W. Africa primarily due to their inability to survive/acclimate to the climate/diseases.
So you should learn this important aspect of history before making such silly comparisons and learn to accept N. Africa’s evident Ottoman blood and culture.
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@blakksage. It’s a biological fact. Go to YouTube and find out for yourself.
And regarding history, just because someone rules a region doesn’t make the people in that region the same ethnicity. South Africa was ruled by Western Europeans for centuries. That doesn’t mean that most people in South Africa are Western European (or even partially so). This is true to an even greater extent in West Africa and India. You would hard pressed to find a West African or person from India with majority European ancestry (or any at all). While Ottoman Turks may have ruled North Africa, they did not mix extensively with the native population, as evidenced by DNA. North Africans are generally native North African, Arab, European, and West African. Those are the facts.
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@ gro jo
Comment deleted for not using a commenter’s right name.
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Not to go sideways but… The british ‘administered’ india for a minute
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Asian
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There’s the ‘percentages’ again?
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Poor gro jo needs some tissue.
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@gro jo
I never thought I’d see you so emotionally strewn. I love it.
And let’s see if abagond treats his “Stronger Together” campaign colleague gro jo the same way he treated Fan… (i.e., automatic moderation) for reposting the same thing abagond had moderated.
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@gro jo
Deleted three comments here and one on the Russiagate thread for not calling a commenter by his or her right name.
Your comments are moderated till further notice.
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