Racial profiling is where the police, the FBI or other law enforcement singles you out in part because of your race. It affects one American in nine. It is a common experience for black and Native American men, but it affects Latinos and Asians too.
For example:
- In 1992 the Denver police had a list of suspected criminals. It listed 80% of the people of colour in the city.
- The Los Angeles police had the name and address of most young black men in the city – because it had stopped them!
- From 1986 to 1995, at the height of the Crack Era, not a single white person in southern California was found guilty of breaking any of the crack laws passed by Congress – even though plenty of whites used and sold crack.
- The FBI spies on Muslim Americans in Detroit looking for a terrorist plot.
- People of colour driving on I-95 in Maryland in the 1990s were four times more likely to be stopped and searched by the police – even though whites were more likely to be found with drugs or contraband.
See below for posts on nine more cases.
Racial profiling:
- Is based on offensive stereotypes that as generalizations are anywhere between untrue to useless.
- Creates distrust of law enforcement among people of colour, making policing worse not better.
- Creates a self-fulfilling prophecy by filling prisons with people of a certain kind.
- Criminalizes race – driving while black, the Japanese American internment, etc.
Contrary to stereotype:
- 70% of shoplifters are white,
- 94% of domestic terrorists are not Muslim,
- whites and blacks use drugs at about the same rate and
- most people in America, no matter what their race, are citizens – even most Latinos and most Asians.
The case of Seattle: In 2002 the University of Washington studied drugs and policing in Seattle. In a world without racial profiling the police would follow citizen reports of drug dealing and, if they truly cared about protecting Seattle, they would look at hospital records to see which drugs were the most dangerous. The police did neither. Instead they went after crack dealers. Crack was not causing all that much violence while heroin was sending way more people to the hospital. But crack was the one drug in Seattle more likely to be sold by blacks. Even in places where whites and blacks were both clearly selling drugs, the police were still far more likely to arrest blacks.
The Seattle police were not so much fighting drugs or crime as locking up black men.
From 1964 to 2001 that would have been racist in the eyes of the law. But in Alexander v Sandoval (2001) the Supreme Court overturned “disparate impact” as proof of racism (except for cases brought by the federal government). Now you must prove intent. In effect, the police are only racist if they say they are.
To Michelle Alexander and Angela Davis racial profiling makes possible the new peculiar institution: the mass incarceration of black men.
To John McWhorter racial profiling makes possible black victimology.
Source: Mostly from Michelle Alexander & Cornel West, “The New Jim Crow” (2012).
See also:
Unfortunately not much has changed since slavery and jim crow.Heroin and cocaine are strong drugs but the prison sentence for crack is more,the difference is the race of the users.While i do think people shouldn’t do things to land themselves in prison i understand the differences of enviornment,and laws can affect black men the most.They use the black brute stereotype to justify their fears,its the same fear they had when nat turner revolted.They always are quick to point out when a black person does something wrong and say well he deserved it,but if its a white person they say oh he needs help.White men get rehab while black men get prison.I’ve seen too many cases where a white person kills their child or molests a child and get out on parole,while a black drug dealer/user gets jail time.I think there should be seperate prisons for people who are going to be released and the hardcore murders.Prison was supposed to be to rehabilitate the individual and get them to serve their time,but its turned into an overcrowded insitution that doesn’t focus on rehab.The people who are going to come back into society will be messed up worse than when they went in because they are surrounded by predators who’s crimes were more violent.There is no let’s help this person so they can be a better memeber of society,its lets throw him in the tank with sharks.Then when he comes out like those hardended criminals he is more likely to commit a more violent crime and return,thus giving the prison more money.It’s all about money not fixing the broken or weak but making them into repeat offenders.
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Slavery/jim crow: blacks are enslaved forced to work for free
Now: black men imprisoned doing free labor[modern slavery] 14th ammendment
Slavery /jim crow: Black families would be split up by being sold to different plantations
NOw: Black men are imprisoned/seperated from their family.
slavery/jim crow:: 14 yr oldEmmitt till murdered for whistling at a white woman
Now: cases like17 yr olds Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis,murdered for being at wrong place wrong time.
Slavery/jim crow: Blacks called ni@@rs by whites
Now: rappers and their white fans use the word ni@@a
Slavery/Jim crow: Slave patrols and bounty hunters
Now: police racial profiling
Slavery jim crow: Eugenics and sterilization
Now: planned parenthood
Not much has changed the only difference is whites are afraid to be called racist now,so they create laws and privatize prisons and use the media to create fear.fear=wanting to protect from harm=buying guns=wanting to use guns/sell=more guns in wrong hands=more crime=more news stories=more fear=new laws=new ways to enforce those laws=more people in prison=less jobs/less rights=person reoffending=more money for prisons
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I’ve been profiled for 48 years and have come to accept that’s the way it will be until I die. Almost every time I go in a store, the employees look at me as if I’m a suspicious character. Someone is usually watching to see what I’m up to. Because of this, there are stores who will never get my business. Every time someone uses the phrase “post-racial,” I just shake my head. Those who aren’t profiled say I shouldn’t be so sensitive. I think some people want to live in a fantasy world. If it’s not happening to them, that means it doesn’t happen. My son has been pulled over by the police too many times although he’s never been arrested. Yet he’s still harassed.
It won’t stop until so-called white people acknowledge profiling andstart speaking up and admit how degrading, humiliating, and wrong this is. Good people shouldn’t have to live this way.
I’m sick of it. I could say so much more, but I’ll stop right here. Thanks for letting me vent and thank you for the post. I am re-blogging.on Shapeshifters.
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I retweeted this.
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Never been stopped / pulled over for DWB, but I have been followed in stores — almost always white owned and often in lily white areas.
I pretty much stopped shopping in stores located in white communities after a middle-aged man in a motorized wheelchair attempted to slam into me from behind, while a younger white woman stood waiting in the walkway, watching the whole thing. When I looked up at her, she quickly turned her head. I guess she was disappointed the wheelchair ‘accident’ she and the other dirt bag concocted hadn’t worked out as they planned.
I should have called the cops and demanded that they view the store’s surveillance video for evidence that it was an attempted assault, but I was so horrified by the whole thing that I immediately left that store (Walmart) and that town (Centereach, NY) as quickly as I could.
There were occasions, oddly enough though, that I was openly and brazenly followed and watched by the owner, a Caribbean woman, of a neighborhood beauty supply store. She would move from aisle to aisle right along with me, her arms folded across her chest and her eyes riveted on me the whole time. She made no attempt at pretending she wasn’t trying to prevent ME from stealing HER products. When she had more than one customer, she’d call someone out from a back room to help keep an eye on the other customers.
I put up with that unnerving BS on two separate occasions before I stopped patronizing her store altogether. Her stuff was overpriced, often by several dollars compared to Korean owned shops, but I wanted to patronize a Black-owned business.
It was doubtlessly this woman herself who drove her customers away, as the store did not stay in business long after it first opened.
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Abagond, I’m reading The New Jim Crow as well. Well, I was. I’m taking a break right now because it made me so angry I couldn’t sleep.
“To John McWhorter racial profiling makes possible black victimology.”
What do you mean by that?
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In 1992 the Denver police had a list of suspected criminals. It listed 80% of the people of colour in the city.
The Los Angeles police had the name and address of most young black men in the city – because it had stopped them!
Minorities are more likely to be victims of crime. And the victim reports show their attackers are nearly always other minorities. Such disparities mean the police cannot deploy their resources where people most need protection from violence “in minority neighborhoods” without producing racially disproportionate stops. If we want the police to be effective, they have to go to where the crime is. When they don’t that means grandmothers and children have to run the gauntlet of gangs and drug dealers to walk to the corner grocery or to school.
From 1986 to 1995, at the height of the Crack Era, not a single white person in southern California was found guilty of breaking any of the crack laws passed by Congress – even though plenty of whites used and sold crack.
The second half of that is deceptive. Crack users and crack dealers are overwhelmingly black. In fact, that’s the most common argument against the disparate sentencing between crack and powder. Of course, the reason for the disparate sentencing between crack and powder is because blacks demanded harsher sentences in the 80′s to help fight the drug epidemic. Now the same blacks who demanded harsher sentences call them “racist”.
People of colour driving on I-95 in Maryland in the 1990s were four times more likely to be stopped and searched by the police – even though whites were more likely to be found with drugs or contraband.
I don’t have any information about I-95, specifically, but according to a survey of 80,000 civilians conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics in 2002, an identical proportion of white, black, and Hispanic drivers – 9 percent – were stopped by the police in the previous year. And the stop rate for blacks was lower during the day, when officers can more readily determine a driver’s race, than at night.
whites and blacks use drugs at about the same rate
Blacks and whites use at the same rate but blacks are 5 times more likely to sell.
94% of domestic terrorists are not Muslim,
Not true. The majority of domestic terrorism in the US since 9/11 has been muslim.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/11/opinion/bergen-terror-september-11/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
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[…] "To Michelle Alexander and Angela Davis racial profiling makes possible the new peculiar institution: the mass incarceration of black men." […]
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/23/mc-hammer-arrest-_n_2751630.html
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http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/15875/apparently-pakistani-in-french-means-terrorist/
The above is a link to a story about a Pakistani mans experience of racial profiling in France.
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@mstoogood4yall
good comparisons
@radicalhope
I have experienced the exact same thing ,however I’ve developed a counter – I steal from them.
It’s a real good feeling to know that you’ve outwitted them and gained in the bargain.
And just in case you think its wrong – remember our stolen labor,resources and culture; or how about the fact that corporate america alone throws away more everyday then you or I could still in a lifetime
@Churchs
are you male or female ,black or white?
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@ mstoogood4yall
“Slavery/jim crow: blacks are enslaved forced to work for free
Now: black men imprisoned doing free labor[modern slavery] 14th ammendment
Slavery /jim crow: Black families would be split up by being sold to different plantations
NOw: Black men are imprisoned/seperated from their family.
slavery/jim crow:: 14 yr oldEmmitt till murdered for whistling at a white woman
Now: cases like17 yr olds Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis,murdered for being at wrong place wrong time.
Slavery/jim crow: Blacks called ni@@rs by whites
Now: rappers and their white fans use the word ni@@a
Slavery/Jim crow: Slave patrols and bounty hunters
Now: police racial profiling
Slavery jim crow: Eugenics and sterilization
Now: planned parenthood ”
“Black men imprisoned doing free labor” are there because of their own
bone-headed decisions, not because of white intervention.
“Black men imprisoned/separated from their family.”
See above reason.
Young whites using the N-word is no one’s fault but black rappers for disrespecting their ancestry in the first place. If the word was left behind with the likes of Jim Crow, Bamboozled, Carpetbagger, and Scallywag, and thus truly deemed as taboo by modern blacks, there would be little discussion of it today. But instead, it was twisted with a custom- ending inflection, and then released back into the American lexicon for ANYONE to use at their discretion.
My favorite:
Slave Patrols compared to Police Racial Profiling.
If the majority of people doing the crimes look a certain way, then…?
Eugenics and Sterilization:
Planned Parenthood.
Slaves would have given anything to keep their family nucleus in tact but you can thank the actions of rappers and the like for the many fatherless children out there. Yes, whites do the same, but it is no where near the magnitude as we have seen in the black community.
I am not afraid to be called a racist, and I am as equally not afraid to call you one. Shame on you and your closed and biased mindset.
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SOME THINGS BEARS REPEATING …. so that WE might remember… and never forget.
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”Nutricide” by Dr. Llaila Afrika
“Conversations with supposedly nice, well-meaning Caucasians can cause
destructive emotions, anger, boredom, frustration, and stress in African people.
Since African people are highly melaninated, it causes them to be highly
emotional psychic and spiritually sensitive. Therefore, Africans can feel
Caucasians are deceitfully hiding their insincerity and are dependent on word
order or a logical, rational thinking, which relies on word process. In other words,Caucasians feel that if something makes sense to them it must make sense to everyone. This is arrogance. This is part of their religious belief in the myth of White Supremacy. Caucasian conversation has no rhythm and relies on words (fragments) to explain their ideas.
African conversations are chemical and rely on the holistic visualization of the
concept (picture) to explain the holistic ideas. Caucasians typically move to
prove their ideas with statistics, research, or laws of average. African people
typically are in harmony with nature and themselves, and use direct, honest
and open ideas as proof. This is confusing to hear for the linear communication ear of Caucasians.
Words to African people are used in a ritual and ceremonial ethnic fashion and paint pictures. Words for Caucasians are not culturally based, but imagined to be a pure form of logic process. They do not see how Eurocentric their words are. Caucasian words are based on superstitions, self-centeredness, and the collective mental illness of being a psychotic (White Supremacy is a psychosis.)
They tend to focus on a single idea (fragment) and ignore the total ideas as a
concept of spiritual and communal rhythmic harmony.
Fundamentally, the problem with Caucasian and African communication is the mentally ill (Caucasian) talking to the sane (African.) An African would have to be “out of his mind” and into the Caucasian mind in order to communicate effectively with a Caucasian. An African “out of his mind” usually has adopted Caucasian thinking processes and does not see the Caucasian as a part of a mentally ill civilization. In any case, Caucasian conversation is nutritionally draining to Africans because of the built-in psychosis of it, the arrogant insulting tone of it, and the double-talk nature of it (conflicting ideas, right and wrong mixed, important words are long words, etc.).
Caucasian conversation is a series of words being processed and is
self-centered. It causes Africans to have stress, emotional torture, mental
confusion and it is spiritually upsetting. Africans may not consciously be aware of the sympathetic nervous system reaction to the Caucasian verbal assaults, but they do feel a sense of vagueness and emptiness from Caucasian “word salads.” Caucasians typically use cliches, socially pleasant sentences, “I am a nice white person talking to a Negro” tone in their voice; “I am not a racist, but I am white and superior” tone, and the African’s inner self reacts to this toxic verbal energy. The melanin dominated African holistically feels the toxic energy and they must ignite the immune system to defend them from Caucasian word use. It nutritionally requires extra vitamin B6, phenylanlanine, yucca, suma gingko, tryptophane, rosemary, gotu kola, L-dopa, niacinamide, methionine, tyrosine, ginseng, and a natural diet consisting of raw food to cope with the subtle energy loss caused by the “word” abuse (unholistic conversation) of Caucasian White Supremacists.”
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@Mbeti
You say it’s wrong to steal, but yet you do it yourself and rationalize it away with an ‘eye for an eye’ mentality.
Why do you think your moral credibility isn’t underminded by taking that approach? While it definitely makes you feel better, how does it contribute to positive change?
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@Matari:
The article you posted by Dr. Laila Afrika is incredibly racist and full of pseudo-scientific claims.
He says, “Since African people are highly melaninated, it causes them to be highly emotional psychic and spiritually sensitive.”
I interpret this to be saying, “Because African’s have dark skin they are emotionally psychic and spiritually sensitive.” How is this any different from the White Supremist’s claim that whites are superior in every way because they are white?
I think this kind of stuff is incredibly unhelpful if we’re to move towards a more fairer, equal society–if that’s what you want.
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@Mike
Your Correct there – thus I have little moral credibility only counter action.
As To positive change ,I’ll leave that to evolution.
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“…if we’re to move towards a more fairer, equal society–if that’s what you want.”
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Mike. I didn’t think or beleieve that this little piece would flatter Caucasians. And if you think that it’s racist, obviously you don’t know what racism, or the spirit thereof, is. Not sure what racism is? Just read this blog, IF *your* reading comprehension is adequate…. I’m not very hopeful, as most whites don’t really KNOW/understand – and don’t want to know/understand what racism truly is!
What I want is WHITE people, as a collective, to SELF- reflect, SELF- analyze, STUDY and then deconstruct their whiteness. But I won’t be holding my breath, waiting for the virtually impossible to happen.
As long as *whiteness* persists, a fair and equal society is utterly unobtainable, and any noise(s) suggesting otherwise is just noise and BS.
Oh, and thanks for proving the good doctor’s point!
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@mstoogood4yall Your first reply is very on point! Prisons are an industry. And black men are the raw material that’s processed through it. It has nothing to do with with rehabilitation. The system needs black criminality. It feeds off of it. It creates jobs for judges,prison guards,lawyers,police etc. That’s the reality that most people want to run away from.
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I found the Nutricide article very interesting and flattering,but then I’m not Caucasian/albinic.
@Legion are you?
Caucasian/albinic ?
male/female?
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@Mike You said:
“I think this kind of stuff is incredibly unhelpful if we’re to move towards a more fairer, equal society–if that’s what you want.”
The question should be do those in the elite power group want to create an equal society?
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@ Legion
If the abstract posted by Matari is racist. By whose definition are you judging this to be by? Perhaps you’d like to share this definition so we can all examine it and see if we all agree?
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@Kwamla:
Here’s the definition you requested. According to the Oxford Dictionary a racist is someone who believes:
“each race or ethnic group possesses specific characterisitics, abilities, or qualities that distinguish it as inferior or superior to another such group.”
This definition was pulled from Abagond’s post, “How to tell if a white person is racist.” https://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/11/15/how-to-tell-if-a-white-person-is-racist/
Of course you can decide whether this definition is acceptable or not. But if we choose to you it, then clearly Dr. Afrika’s claim is racist.
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Correction: “But if we choose to you it, then clearly…” should read, “But if we choose to use it, then…”
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If race is a false concept and we are one species with differing and varying phenotypes then its really about different niches and competing populations.
However to reconcile this with the fact that the tropical melanin phenotype is dominant whereas the subtropic albinic phenotype is subordinate.
Also one group is extremely aggressive proportionate to its subordination in relation to all other phenotypic groups.
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@Matari:
Claiming that African’s have access to some special way of knowing because African’s have more melanin in their skin is a racist comment. Please see the definition of racist I posted earlier. If you don’t like the definition, please suggest another. If you agree with it, then why don’t you agree with me?
Thank you for stating what you want, because that’s the one question that keeps popping in my mind. Obviously I can infer it from the kind of topics written about and the content therein, but it’s good see it explicitly stated.
I’m white. I’m also Cuban. I’ve lived overseas (I’m American). I’ve experienced discrimination because I’m American. Before you get upset, I’m not equivocating my few experiences with a life time of experience being black in America or where ever you live. What you want is for white people to be open to criticism. I am – that’s why I read and write on this blog. All people are fallible. I know that I unknowingly hold beliefs that are racist. The problem is I’m blind to them, which is why it’s important to me to discuss these things.
Would you tell me what you mean by “whiteness” if you mean more than privileged attitudes and behavior? Thanks.
@Kushite Prince:
I make no distinction between privileged and oppressed people when evaluating beliefs for racism. However justified a privileged or oppressed person may feel in their beliefs, racist statements on their own.That being said, I see your point. More contention is that comments like Dr. Afrika’s will serve as more justification for white racists to think their stereotypes are true.There’s a lot of discussion about the racists tactics white people use. I simply request that we use the same criteria to assess all claims about race — regardless of the claimant’s skin color and cultural background.
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Correction: ” However justified a privileged or oppressed person may feel in their beliefs, racist statements on their own.”
Should read: “However justified a privileged or oppressed person may feel in their beliefs, I think racist statements should assess based on content.”
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Aba
I’ve been a victim of this invention for so long, I actually have my documents ready and waiting. My family’s number and one good friend’s number is on speed dial so when I get pulled over, they can hear what takes place or the machine can record the events that take place.
Profiling is a disease of a diseased race. As a black woman, I’ve never stolen anything and do not sell or deal drugs. White police do not care who you are as long as you do not look like them. That alone give them reason to interfere with your life and hopefully put a 1 centimeter piece of steel into your body.
I agree with Matari entirely and do not have ANY contact with these “beings” that lack a soul. It is detrimental and pointless.
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It’s quite interesting and telling how WHITENESS (aka the Oxford dictionary) currently defines ‘racist’ and ‘racism’,
That would be on par with permitting a child rapist to specify what “molestation” is!
Or, an all white town/county/mob to define what petty offense deserves a *lynching* and banishment of all people of color – when the uppity offender happens to be black.
I digress … but most people WITH ample melanin will get the point.
(Nowadays, everything, anything and anyone qualifies as *racist* – which intentionally renders the word as meaningless/useless.)
Whiteness is a demonic conception conceived in the deepest depths of Hell!
It IS the greatest threat to all life in the known universe.
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@Mbeti:
False concept as in:
(1) a concept that doesn’t track closely with empirical data or
(2) not very useful?
I think you may be committing the fallacy of composition if you’re implying that racist behavior is caused by our genes. Wikipedia states it this way:
“The fallacy of composition arises when one infers that something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some part of the whole (or even of every proper part).” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition
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@Mike
What we currently label as racism is nothing more than a form of group-ism derived from our phenotypes.
However as several other commenters comments indicate belief as apposed to science and reason are obstacles as well.
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@Matari:
Do you see you’re derailing substantive discussion when you say, “I digress…but most people WITH ample melanin will get the point.”?
You want me to be self-reflective and self-analyzing and more willing to listen to opposing view points such as your own, but you immediately reject a definition from the Oxford definition because the author’s were mostly likely white.
If you don’t care for the definition I offered–which would also put you at odds with Agabond since he used this definition himself–then please say why that definition is inaccurate, insufficient, etc.?
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@Mbeti:
You said, “What we currently label as racism is nothing more than a form of group-ism derived from our phenotypes.”
Well stated.
“However as several other commenters comments indicate belief as apposed to science and reason are obstacles as well.”
Good point.
@Matari:
Please know that I’m sincerely trying to understand your perspective.
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Matari
Please do not get sucked into it.
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@truthbetold:
You said: “I agree with Matari entirely and do not have ANY contact with these “beings” that lack a soul. It is detrimental and pointless.”
If you don’t have any contact with them, then how can be so sure you’re right that the white race is diseased based on your admittedly limited experience?
There are white people, like myself, who are committed to fighting racism.
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“Please do not get sucked into it.”
@Matari and truthbetold:
I recognize I have to earn the right to be heard – fair enough. Hopefully I do.
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“Please know that I’m sincerely trying to understand your perspective.”
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Read Abagond’s ample number of blog posts pertaining to “racism” as practiced in America. My perspective matches most of the posts he has written on the subject. Though I’m probably more radical than him.
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@Matari:
I have. It seems to me you think only white people can be racists. If you agree, it seems to me that’s the most significant difference b/w your position and Abagond’s. (Abagond: please correct me if I’m interpreting your writings incorrectly concerning this point.)
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This is a well written article. I am always afraid for my brother who is fourteen, because he doesn’t understand that most of White America see him as a thug not based on his character but based on his skin color and race. What happened to Trayvon better not happen to my brother! I find it sad that many White police officers only want to put Blacks in jail. Times are crazy! I don’t think these times aren’t much different frlm the 1960s.
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Yo mike ,you too have a limited experience,limited in that you don’t know (or maybe will not acknowledge) the pain and suffering inflicted by members of your group.
And as to your commitment ,that does not mean that you should or must be accepted by all or any “black”/melaniated person.
While there are many white/albinic people I respect and admire I still would not want to be in close proximity to any of them by choice at this point not just in my life but due to the current sociopolitical condition we all live with.
I don’t know if its albinism itself or the historical abuse meted out by various albinic populations or a combination of both ,but the vast majority of white/albinic people are noxious disgusting and ugly to me.
But I learned long ago (and have to be repeatedly reminded unfortunately and fortunately ) that any particular group or thing good or bad is but a small part of this vast universe ,and I and we occupy temporarily a tiny part of that.
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@ Mike
I am glad that you are a White American man against racism! There are Whites against racism and I applaud them for that but you will never understand the experience Blacks have to go through in this country. You will never experience racism because you are White and have White privilege. Whites in America benefit from institutionalized racism in country. No, I am not blaming everything on Whites at all nor do I try to. Sad to say but they aren
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@Mbeti:
You’re right – my experience is limited and even though I’m aware of the pain and suffering inflicted on blacks by whites, I can only do my best to listen and empathize as I’ve only been discriminated against a few times while living overseas. Compared to the racism blacks have and continue to endure in America, my experience in this respect is truly limited.
You said, “While there are many white/albinic people I respect and admire I still would not want to be in close proximity to any of them by choice at this point not just in my life but due to the current sociopolitical condition we all live with.”
Understood. Confronting a-hole behavior on a daily basis leaves one drained and damaged. I think the abusive and willfully ignorant disposition whites display is cultural. Furthermore, I think humans generally don’t deal with differences–cultural and phenotypical–very well. Whites aren’t taught how to deal with differences very well–especially in way that doesn’t condescend.
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The topic “our 2nd amendment right to own firearms to prevent tyranny,” begs this question.
1. How is racial profiling different from this threat?
2. Why doesn’t the NRA get involved?
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@kiwiitos
Because albinic/white peoples highest priority is not economics its compensating for their subordinate genetic phenotype ,esp against the most genetically dominant phenotypic group – “black people”.
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A significant caveat to the discussion on profiling is that as segregation increases (and it is), there is less and less need to sort through white people to pick out black and brown people. No cop in South LA for example has to do that to arrest any number of black and brown people–that’s just who is around.
The real profiling in this case is done by area. Imagine importing the style of police found in South LA to the Valley–white people being stopped at noon for drunk driving stops?! “Gang suppression” efforts that stop every young white male in a given place? Stopping white people and searching their cars because violated some minor traffic law or installed their carseat wrong?
Police have decreased their racial profiling (and they haven’t really, they’ve just gotten more clever at it) but have always treated black and brown neighborhoods of color differently. That’s the REAL profiling. And it’s all legal, because those laws really do exist–they just aren’t enforced for whites in wealthy neighborhoods. And not enforcing the law isn’t a crime.
Note that this ties into the claim that more blacks commit crime as well. Drug crime is a matter of police strategy, not crime report. Beckett’s point in the Seattle study is that if you only arrest black people for dealing drugs (which is what she observed), the white people dealing drugs are never reported and never caught. This means that Churchs can say that “blacks are 5 times more likely to sell.” And s/he can’t be disproved by statistics.
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@Adeen:
You’re right – I won’t understand it the way you do because your experiences aren’t mine. I recognized several years ago, through the help of a friend who’s black, that there are significant cultural differences b/w blacks and whites that really make it hard to understand each other. Differences in language, different ways of interacting, etiquette, music, politics, values, etc. The usual reaction is to conclude prematurely that’s something wrong with “them” and not “me” or “us”.
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@vivzig:
Good point – using statistical data without understand how it was derived can lead to false conclusions.
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It’s not until whites truly experience racism at the exact same levels as us will a slight possibility of understanding what we’ve been saying for years exist. We can tell them how we’re victims of racial profiling, but they won’t listen simply because they’ve never been through it. So, their logic means that since they’ve never experienced racial profiling, it doesn’t exist. Therefore, if you have, you must’ve done something to anger the police.
Thank goodness I haven’t been a victim of racial profiling, but I know that there will be a good chance that I will simply because of the way I look. Not only that, there will be excuses to rationalize it while negating my thoughts and feelings.
One of my co-workers, who’s a white woman, told some students – black students that the police are our friends. I really wanted to calmly and verbally disagree with her, but I didn’t want to lose my job. I wanted to tell them that the police are your friends as along as you’re white. They’re best friends if you’re white and middle class. And they’re BFFs if you’re white and rich.
To the police if you’re black and brown, you are a potential suspect. You don’t have to do anything wrong. You’re only crime is that you were not born white. I wanted to say that to the kids, but I didn’t know how to without making them feel depressed. I felt helpless and frustrated.
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@Peanut
so we might not make it to old age,huh.
No nice full life for us,no grand children ,oh well since this is a population issue
and the majority of our population appear incapable of effectively defending ourselves even from each other – I take solace in the fact all life dies and those who would replace us are still and will always be in many ways inferior.
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California is broke but the amount of money that can be made through prisons is a very good incentive to build them. http://www.correctionsproject.com/studyMaterials/Corrections_ch3.pdf
Money isn’t it all what it is about. Same people would lock their own grandmothers up if it could one make them money or two save them money.
Wish I had more time to visit this issue.
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@ Mike
“…“each race or ethnic group possesses specific characterisitics, abilities, or qualities that distinguish it as inferior or superior to another such group…”
The problem you have with unquestionably taking on board and applying such general definitions is that logically from this. Anyone can be racist?
If we understand the phenomenon of racism as being different from simple prejudice: Racism =White Supremacy then it places the behaviour firmly in the context of a group or person with a specific mindset.
As Matari commented:
“…That would be on par with permitting a child rapist to specify what “molestation” is!…”
White supremacy is the specific behaviour of certain white people. Which Black people, who it is used in the first instance against, experience as White Supremacy. And which Racial Profiling is just one observable form of this behaviour.
I would add….In my view a more qualified working definition of racism would be:
“…The idea of white superiority/Black & non-white inferiority translated through thought, word and behaviour…”
I wouldn’t see the “Nutricide article” as racist according to this definition. More an attempted response to explain or account for this aberrant behaviour from a particular group of people with this embedded mindset.
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@Kwamla:
Implicit in your comments is the assumption that only “black and non-white” people get to define what ‘racist’ means. I’m sorry but I reject that.
By defining racism in the manner you suggest, blacks and non-white’s can never be racists. My experience tells me otherwise. That’s a convenient definition as it stacks the deck in your favor. If I accept your definition then I can only conclude that because my skin is white I can never be as spiritually sensitive as blacks (ref. Nutricide article).
I think the definition I offered is more useful in that it lets no one of the hook – black or white.
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I think the definition I offered is more useful in that it lets no one of the hook – black or white.
That’s mighty white and convenient of you. Whites invented racism in order to enhance their power structure. Hence a black person may be prejudced but not racist. Blacks are at the bottom of the heap in white supremest society, regardless of class. The harsh words directed at whites is but a reaction to white supremacy which is inherent in whites’ psyches in varying degrees. Some whites are aware as to how white supremacy works but they are miniscule in numbers. Most walk around with their heads up their buttocks and aren’t interested in exploring their racism. Even the few who would be consdered ‘enlightened’ recognize they are still racist but will at least try to diminish their racist thoughts by deconstructing their ‘whiteness’. Besides which, the white folk will not relinquish their power any time soon. So debate away Mike in an effort to understand racism, you will never get it.
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I never liked the definition racism = white Supremacy primarily because of its imprecision as well as subconsciously reinforcing what it states.
Even though the albinic/white population originated “racism” and the only effective or systemic form of racism is that practiced by the albinic/white population.
And That therefore all non albinic/white populations are subject to and reacting to the “racism” practiced by the albinic/white population.
Theoretically any group can discriminate based on phenotypic traits (race), in practice the albinic/white populations are the ones with the most motive or self interest.
And Therefore to me racism (phenotypic group trait bias ) = white(albinic/albino) Supremacy (social dominance or hegemony).
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After reading the comments of another commenter named ‘Mike’ on the posting called ‘why do whites hate, demonize, …?” I’m changing my user name to ‘Mike2’.
Please don’t mistake me for him.
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It is customary when quoting figures to post a cite, less one be accused of pulling them out of one’s butt, Abagond.
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@ Mike
“…That’s a convenient definition as it stacks the deck in your favor. If I accept your definition then I can only conclude that because my skin is white I can never be as spiritually sensitive as blacks (ref. Nutricide article)…”
Mike “white privilege” is also a convenient asset to be born with. If as a Black or person of colour I accept your proposed standard definition of racism. Then I can only conclude that because my skin is Black I can never be afforded white privilegeas an asset in the same way as you can.
All this is assuming of course you understand and acknowledge what the concept of white privilege is?
As I commented before using Matari’s analogy:
“…That would be on par with permitting a child rapist to specify what “molestation” is!…”
White privilege can be seen as analogous to the child molester being granted the privileges of being able to define what “molestation” should be while at the same time continuing to carry out those same molestations. A practice similar to what has recently prompted, among other things, the present Vatican Pope to stand down!
However, YOU can get to be more spiritually sensitive as Black people by listening, observing, taking note and then applying what the more spiritually sensitive and aware Black people and POC are saying to you!
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@ Mbeti
Actually, Racism = White Supremacy is a more, not less, accurate way to define racism than the standard definition which implies anyone can exercise this dominance.
In a world where anything “white” is perceived as superior and anything “Black” or “non-white” is perceived as inferior the standard has already been set and applied.
To argue otherwise is to argue for the existence of more than one competing standard. But where is the cultural, social, economic, educational or historical evidence for this? This in itself should be self-evident to realise!
Those people who would argue for double or competing standards always overlook or deny the existence of these global cultural, political and historical factors. Surely if they exist we should be able to discern them?
Compare it say to the dominance of the US as a global military power. Which out spends more than the rest of the worlds countries collectively combined on military defence. If the US sets the standard on how much it spends surely we would know if any other country came even close to spending equalling this standard?
Of course other countries like China, Russia and the NATO pact spend Billions of money on defence but do they even come close to the US? No!!!
Such is the dominance of the US in this area of defence so too is this unchallenged global standard and dominance of white supremacy on this planet.
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@ Joshua
Most of this post comes from Michelle Alexander & Cornel West, “The New Jim Crow” (2012).
I generally do not cite sources since most of what I know is not hard to find out.
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@ Mbeti
“…Theoretically any group can discriminate based on phenotypic traits (race), in practice the albinic/white populations are the ones with the most motive or self interest…
As I explained above, I agree, in practise this is far from the case. But I would also like to highlight a not so readily appreciated factor in defining white people. Particularly from the studies of Melanin.
All peoples have Melanin (including white people) its the basis of all life just as its cousin chlorophyll is for plants. Its the qualitative and quantitative differences we observe in people not simply the quantity differences alone. Even Albinos have Melanin its just the quality which is different. This quality can and is changed by internal factors. Dr Jewel Pookrum is someone to research to find out more on this.
Another already scientifically acknowledged FACT. An “African Eve” is the genetic template for ALL human beings past and present existing on this planet. This is the scientific evidence for “thinking” in terms of one race rather multiple races on this planet. The FACT that what we know as “white” people were originally derived from this African template points to BOTH our mutually inescapable and inextricable links. White people are a part of us (Black people) and we are apart of them regardless of whether we like, accept, reject or deny this reality or not!!!
However, what should also be clear from this template evidence is that white people would not and could not have existed without Black people on this Earth. Further white people are actually dependent on the existence of Black people and POC for their own continued survival. Their numbers globally are dying out and the “quality” of their Melanin probably has a lot to do with it.
This is what makes the concept and ideology of white supremacy so ridiculous. It also shows just how interconnected and interrelated we ALL are (Black and white)
We truly do need the other to not just survive…but prosper. Regardless of whether those who practise the behaviour of a white supremacist mindset acknowledge and accept this or not…Black people and POC will continue to be around surviving, even prospering….The question is will white people?
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@Kwamla
Very Well and professionally expressed.
And to be expected from someone of your caliber ,I’ve observed your very informed and educated dialogue with others and it is a privilege and honor to directly dialogue with you.
That said you’ve made some valid points that needed to be expressed and upon which I will explore later.
The main point that stands out is why and how the quantitative and qualitative differences result in the psychopathology of a population.
In regards to nature – the traits of “whiteness” are genetically subordinate to the traits “blackness”.
Yet currently we are under the domination(successful aggression) of a genetically subordinate and psychological pathological population group.
The question then becomes why and what does it mean.
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@Kwamla:
“Further white people are actually dependent on the existence of Black people and POC for their own continued survival. Their numbers globally are dying out and the “quality” of their Melanin probably has a lot to do with it.”
Source?
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I am going to re-post some thoughts I have had for a long time about the nature of whiteness. They will most definitely defend some, but I tend to liken that to a black boy being told “history supports your inferiority–your violent nature, your inferior intellect.You are savage, uncultured…yadda, yadda, yadda.” You catch my drift.
As I continue to read and to “feel, absorb” the world around me and the ppl I interact with–through observation (of news, media and entertainment) mostly and just they way things “click” in my mind–these are some of the conclusions that are not based on “white science or conjuring/putting together of numbers and race based feeling to somehow statistically support a racist “fact”.
Since they are observations of mine, of course there is no study (here in the USA) that will support this but I have come across the ideas from others who inherently observe these same things I do in ancient and modern history.
I wrote:
But soooo many characteristics and connections to mother Earth they lack–like the the separation of science and discovery from spirituality. Their OBSESSION with weapon development and the “cool”ways you can kill a man. They ‘explore’ this Earth to a fault..digging up things and raping the lands and ppl…What are they looking for?
Their obsession with creating realities through, politics, banking and “fake-a-nomics” to support their privilege and worship of paper money and material possessions…. and they are historically “possessed with evil spirits” that need constant eradication…they know how hollow they are spiritually and they laws of attraction speak for themselves…
They are the original herd mentality. They follow each other blindly–just look at the political spectrum and the non sense they are being fed and actually try to justify in a debate. (Talk about poisonous environment)
The ultimate insult in my opinion–is that they outright admit where the cradle of life exists but will study and follow historical religion/spiritual belief that proves their “science” 10 fold from EVERY OTHER continent but Africa. Have you seen how they have suddenly flocked in droves to the ancient belief systems and practices of:
India
China
South Americas (Mayan civilization/beliefs)
and other other “far east” belief system that focuses on the development of the spiritual self and preservation of the third eye?
As a ppl–those spirits/souls who inhabit the Caucasian…live in a dense and dangerous fog of evil, denial and outright resentment towards the original ppls of Earth. The universe is self correcting and beginning to purge herself of them and they know it. On a subconscious level–and with the help of the coded media, they know they can’t sustain the black and browns as a source of labor for their riches while simultaneously trying to eradicate us.
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I also said: (in regards to my observation of their spiritual connection to Mother Earth)
Also why they hair is lifeless, long, stringy, dull.
Why they have NO rhythm–the real soul connection to this planet that comes very natural to others (us the most)
Why they have no culture–they are the leeches that they were when they originally settled here and have taken advantage of ALL OTHER ppls of this Earth by undermining original human respect, knowledge and spiritual connections original ppl have to Mother Earth.
I agree with the notions that they are losing the ability to recreate and their women are having sooo many problems reproducing ( Only as an adult did I come across such real TROUBLE for the white women I know, young women, getting pregnant.) No other culture had ever had the rates of infections, endometriosis, overall unexplained infertility than them.
White ppl have literally spent their entire existence oppressing others and taking physical things (resources, raw materials and precious metals) giving them this demi god-like status and then building entire empires around them.
They have ALWAYS acted as if they have been playing in someone else’s yard..with someone else’s tools. They over develop communities and have vehemently been against sources of free energy and living as one in a true “green society.”
I could go on, but seeing as I’m already steering off topic. I will end it here.
SK
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“I could go on, but seeing as I’m already steering off topic. ”
*******
SK-
Since the subject IS racial profiling, it seems that you are perfectly ON topic, imo. Your profile/observations appear very legitimate/accurate.
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@Mike2
cosign
I’ve heard the – they are a “tiny” percentage of the global population numerous times ,even by the great Dr.welsing ,but actual numbers are never shown.
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you want to talk about racial profiling a black and a white in the car forget about it
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honestly Reading, PA good with that not busting chops on the whole IRR thing, I must say.
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This is sad. Things really haven’t changed.
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Hey I just wanted to say I’ve been a big fan of your wordpress blog for a long time (I’m a long time lurker) and I was wondering if maybe you could visit my page and tell me what you think. My little blog also deals with racism, but with more of an Asian centric focus since I’m Asian.
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@ Mbeti
Why thank you Mbeti! I am honoured by your praise and thoughtful comments.
I am sure we can continue to enjoy fruitful dialogues.
“..The main point that stands out is why and how the quantitative and qualitative differences result in the psychopathology of a population.
In regards to nature – the traits of “whiteness” are genetically subordinate to the traits “blackness”.
Yet currently we are under the domination(successful aggression) of a genetically subordinate and psychological pathological population group.
The question then becomes why and what does it mean.?…”
I’d agree…That is a good question and does require doing some research in many different, and not always readily appreciated, interconnected areas of life. Many of which I am still perusing. The answers are there but you need to pursue them on more than just an intellectual “objective” level. You need to analyse them on a personal and spiritual level too. Otherwise you will continuously remain confused.
I suspect you actually just beginning to do this for yourself…
Historically in a whole range of societal issues (science, education, economics, health etc, etc…) we have not been told or even been privileged to know the whole or REAL story. This is deliberate and planned by a controlling elite which goes beyond the imagined administrative and managerial capabilities of a superior or subordinate group of white people. It has to…! It makes no rational sense otherwise because so much REAL knowledge and information has been hidden away from all of us.
For as you correctly state:
“…In regards to nature – the traits of “whiteness” are genetically subordinate to the traits “blackness…”
This is FACT and if you study the scientific research that has already been done in this area (a lot has already been done trying to prove the inferiority of African people) you will find this is not disputed. A key area to look at, as I’ve already mentioned, is the study of Melanin. Which is a substance still to this day science cannot fully replicate or fully understand.
“…Yet currently we are under the domination(successful aggression) of a genetically subordinate and psychological pathological population group.
The question then becomes why and what does it mean.?…”
Its no accident this has happened and is the case. And its certainly not through any REAL or innate white supremacy. Which can easily when understood and analysed properly in ALL areas of life be found to be FALSE and wanting….And if anything, a complete reversal of the truth!
Those answers lie deeper in the spiritual historical origins and legacies of peoples on this planet and BEYOND!.
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@ SugarKiss
I really love your spiritual inspired reflections/thoughts SugarKiss and have to say you are 100% spot on in your perceptual feelings!… I too concur with Matari on this your on topic!
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@Mike2
Here is one report sourced for you to consider. I shouldn’t have to do this for you but you seem genuinely naive in this area so I am endeavouring to help you out!
Census: White Population Will Lose Majority In U.S. By 2043
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/12/census-hispanics-and-black-unseat-whites-as-majority-in-united-states-population_n_2286105.html
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@ Kwamla and Matari
Thanks so much. Those types of thoughts or loose conclusions draw criticisms and raise eyebrows but I do think you “feel” me on this.
Good to know.
SK
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Don’t know where the rest of my avatar went, lol.
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@Kwamla:
This source doesn’t address your claim “…of their Melanin probably has a lot to do with it.”
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@ Mike2
Do you actually know anything about the study of Melanin that has been carried out over the years? Do you genuinely really want to know more about this? Then why not do some research yourself and see what you can come up with. You may surprise yourself!
Surely you’re not asking me to provide all this research for you? Are you?
Am I really bothered about whether you feel I have address my claim here or not?
Mike2 Please!!!
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@Kwamla:
Yes, I’m actually interested. It’s a new subject for me, so please direct me to sources you think are worth reading.
Thank you in advance.
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@ Mike2
This paragraph is taken from the same comment I made to Mbeti from which you also quoted me. I wonder can you see a possible source to research there?
Are you telling me you could not have read this yourself? This is what I mean about having to do all the work for you!
If you were really that interested you could have found this out yourself by simply reading….!
This is lazy and less than honest reading on your part…
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@Kwamla:
You’re right, I overlooked it – thanks for reminding me.
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@ Solesearch
McWhorter thinks that racism is pretty much dead – overthrowing Jim Crow laws in the 1960s was the magic cure. But “vestigial” racism like racial profiling allows blacks to continue to whine and play the victim, like it was still 1922, instead of getting it together and moving on.
He thinks racial profiling is not a big deal: It mainly affects only the black working-class, it is not a sign of racism in society at large but just among the white working-class that fills the ranks of the police and, besides, the police used to beat up the Irish and Chinese so what is the big deal?
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And it doesn’t matter what your accomplishments are in this society. Actor Forrest Whittaker was in New York in a high end bodega in ritzy part of town and was stopped and frisked by an employee for shop lifting. Last Sunday MC Hammer was in a strip mall parking lot and got the gestopo treatment from mall security. Go figure.
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John Mcwhorter makes me so angry. What universe does he live in? He needs a serious wake up call. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
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@abagond
I’ll believe racism is over once there are no longer laws that overtly support it and no one really cares about race any more. The first part would probably be the easiest to accomplish but the second would require some significant cultural change and the prevention of the transmission of racist beliefs to new generations.
It might not happen in our lifespans but I do hope we get to the point where no one is intentionally disadvantaged for something like race.
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@Mary Burrell
I am always followed around in stores and public places when I go out with my siblings and mother as if we are criminals. It makes me frustrated because I know I am not a criminal.
I am glad you gave examples of Forrest Whitaker and MC Hammer because these incidents remind me that MANY people in White America just see us as the n word and inferior to Whites. It makes me sad but many Black teens(I’m 17) my age aren’t aware of the racism of society because they feel that that racism can’t affect them. Just because the Jim Crow era is gone doesn’t mean racism is over. We have a long way to go before we are actually a post racial society. We shouldn’t judge others by their skin color or race!
No, not all Whites are racist. Many of them are though.
Plus I think America putting Japanese in internment camps in the 1940s was an form of racial profiling in one of it’s most cruel and visible forms.
This country has a long history of marginalizing and treating minorities poorly. To this day, White America still benefits from genocide, institutionalized racism and privileges that their ancestors put in place for them.
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@Adeen: Excellent points young queen.
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@Kwamla and @Matari:
Please consider: http://www.academia.edu/199944/Melanin_Afrocentricity_and_Pseudoscience
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@Adeen and mary burrell
I too have experienced this all of my adult life and I ask – what is your legal recourse?
How many times do you have to be harassed and even assaulted before you have legal grounds to bring suit -I mean ,because your not a criminal right.
In my isolation and abandonment I have and will continue to “break” the “law”
which has little to do with morality truth or justice.
So to steal from and disobey criminals – what does that make me?
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@Mike2
Your link motivated me to sign up with http://www.academia.edu – interesting resource for the seriously intellectually minded – as I’ve always been – indeed I’m currently working a “paper” and now I have somewhere to submit it for peer review.
As to the specific paper referenced – I’ve heard and read the author before and he is known for refuting the african – olmec link ,(unsatisfactorily in my view).
And on this subject I need to see more african and african american scholars weigh in before I accept the word of one scholar as law.
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@ Mike2
Are you serious mike2? This is a supposedly old scientific essay (1993) designed to ridicule any serious study on the proper role and function of Melanin in the Human anatomy.
Can you not find anything more up to date? Have you looked at any of Dr Jewell Pookrum’s more recent books on amazon at all? Where you may find links to other people who’ve studied this subject as well?
Much of what is told in science about the role of Melanin and organs like the pineal (gland?) is factual wrong? You need to do a bit more research if you really want to understand this. And while your at it don’t forget to do a bit more research on the origins of white supremacy as well! They are connected!!
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@Mike2
I’m currently almost finished with http://www.academia.edu/199944/Melanin_Afrocentricity_and_Pseudoscience
First ,my deepest gratitude and appreciation for providing the location of this extremely valuable information.
I been searching for such a critique and analysis of the The ISIS Papers for years ,its the main reason I was begging Abagond for a review,
and while this “paper” does not focus exclusively on that particular work, it is well represented.
Several problems I still have as I continue my studies and complete said “paper” ,while it is dated 1993 ,some two years after the publication of the The IsIs Papers 1991, its a “paper” published in a obscure scientific academic journal – thus the primary reason it was not well known by the general nor interested party public.
In the same institutions the routinely discriminate against and exclude people who look like me.
Also at least one or more black scholars esp the ones referenced by this “paper” should have responded ,yet so far I’ve heard nothing.
@Kwamla
the age of the document in question is irrelevant.
checked books by Dr Jewell Pookrum on amazon after first skipping so cheesy youtube vids when I googled the name first.
Will review thoroughly in due course but I suspect yet another black Pseudosciencist.
While racism-white supremacy is a big problem fighting it with LIES – which is what Pseudoscience amounts to – is pathetic ,cowardly and of course dishonest.
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@Mbeti:
Being new to this subject, I immediately noticed how hard it is to find reliable information about it.
I also want to say thanks as well. My initial reaction to the “racism=white supremacy” claim was very skeptical. I appreciate you and Kwamla taking the time to explain how you got to that conclusion. I actually discussed this with a few white friends of mine. They were really surprised (which probably won’t surprise you=) ). They certainly disagreed but I think it did make them think a little more deeply about this problem instead of dismissing it right away.
Regarding studies of Egypt, I think we need to follow carefully where the evidence leads, knowing there are limits to what we can really know about our history. The work by black studies scholars is very important to getting a more accurate view of things. And like all research is should be scrutinized by a community of experts.
I’m bothered by the political/ideological motivations behind Melanin Theory. Dr. Pookrum and Dr. Afrika don’t appear to have the sort of scientific training they claim they have. They make empirical claims that aren’t backed by any research that I can find that’s been peer reviewed by other scientists. Biological science like nutrition research is actually pretty hard. There are many variables that a researcher can’t sufficiently control for, so drawing definitive conclusions from a few studies is hard to do if they care about being honest. Knowing this, that’s why Dr. Pookrum and Dr. Afrika’s claims strike me as pseudoscience.
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@Mike2
Its a complex problem – what are the psychological motivations and/or pathologies that cause people like Dr. Pookrum and Dr. Afrika to engage in pseudoscience if they are actually engaged in pseudoscience as – racism is itself a pathology that would exclude these two black people from a fair and unbais scientific fact review – I say fact review rather than peer due to the separation of phenotypic groups(races) makes the the word “peer” seem quite hollow.
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Some good news: a federal judge found New York’s stop-and-frisk policy unconstitutional!
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2013/08/12/judge-nypd-stop-and-frisk-unconstitutional.html
http://abagond.tumblr.com/post/58064468794/fuckyeahmarxismleninism-federal-court-finds
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Thanks for the update.
But there was no background to the case in the links you provided.
I wonder
– will the court appoint the outside lawyer?
– will other cities and counties follow suit? Is there an organization out there tracking LA and Chicago too?
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@ Jefe
The case was Floyd v City of New York:
http://www.ccrjustice.org/floyd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd,_et_al._v._City_of_New_York,_et_al.
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Did you join the lawsuit?
Any inclination whether NYPD will appeal?
I skimmed it, but could not find the wording how the court will appoint or approve the external legal party to supervise the compliance.
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IF you can believe it, this NY judge ruling made top headlines here almost 10,000 miles away.
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but when some one does somthong to a hispanic no one lifts a finger.
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Now the incident in the high end store Barneys with the young black woman who purchased an a handbag and the young black brother, who purchased an expensive belt with is debit card, and Jay-Z is in the mix. Damn, can’t black folks have nice things too?
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^ apparently not its was crazy to me they waited until they purchased their items and left the store then had the police on them smh. I’d never heard of barney’s the only barney I know is purple with green dots rofl. I don’t buy expensive things like that but to each his own. Imo black ppl should learn to produce those nice things and have priorities in order, it is a shame to see ppl with expensive accessories and no home or car.
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jay z has been a sellout, he is about profit, ppl should not support him, he says one thing and does another.
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profiling is efficient and leads to the protection of Americans. The fact is that racial profiling is based on statistical measures and is based in a complex probability equation. racial profiling is in fact a mathematical proof, having knowledge of the department of homeland security I can shed light onto that fact. On a qualitative note rather than quantitative. Racial profiling is based in precedent and the overall behavior within the races. You should also know that racial profiling despite its political incorectness has been extremely successful in preventing crimes, large and small. And to reiterate it is the most efficient way of doing so. In a world where seconds matter in regard to national, domestic security, as well as crime, there is no time for “following citizen reports of drug dealing and looking at hospital records to see which drugs were more dangerous. Although heroin may be more dangerous, in the case you are referring to as well as the time, crack cocaine was the main narcotic by volume being sold at an exponential rate in relation to heroin, as such the priorities of targeting crack dealers was a correct decision. I also noticed you mentioned how white and black persons use drugs at the same rate, however you did not mention the fact that african americans make up the greater majority of drug dealers in regards to all illegal narcotics, as well as in numerous other criminal acts. The fact is the numbers do not lie, racial profiling works, and it works extremely well. Despite its political incorectness the world we live in today does not allow for measures anything less than this to protect your way of life. If racial profiling was not allowed you yourself as well as all of america would have a much greater risk (mathematical) of danger and a threat to the american way of life. This blog is living in a dream world and does not acknowledge the proven facts and statistics in the vast majority of your articles that argue otherwise. The fact that you write blogposts that ignore the actual provable facts in order to prove your point is not only irresponsible but a poor “journalistic” effort. You could very well prove your point but to do so you would have to use all the information and suport your thesis in light of the facts of the issue. If you are unable to support your thesis after including these facts, then you should not post the article to your blog, doing so transforms your posts from insightful analysis to a form of propaganda which just circulates information that leads to ignorance among your readers who due to your post do not have the full facts. Please allow your readers to adequately discuss and gain knowledge based on the subjects at hand by presenting all the material rather than just what serves your purposes.
Thank you and have a nice day, please consider my suggestions.
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@james
at the expense of violating tens of millions of people’s civil rights. Some as severe as the torture, incarceration, even death of innocent persons.
Whose “America” are we protecting?
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Ha-ha, but as James points out, it is mathematically sound and scientific:
I suppose that means that if we profile enough millions of people and deny them their civil rights, we can, with a high degree of probability, catch a criminal or terrorist or traitor.
Where the mathematical proof falls short is about how many persons, who are not being profiled, are actually criminals or terrorists or traitors.
Little old nice white ladies should organize crime and terror – they’ll never get caught. Or again, maybe they are doing just that very thing — — and getting away with it.
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From the Washington Post:
Racial profiling has destroyed public trust in police. Cops are exploiting our weak laws against it.
Racial profiling and excessive force by police are unconstitutional. But they’re still happening.
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/15/racial-profiling-has-destroyed-public-trust-in-police-cops-are-exploiting-our-weak-laws-against-it/)
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https://flipboard.com/topic/racism/judge-says-racial-profiling-likely%2C-tosses-charges-against-man-after-toronto-roa/a-xWvkE9L1SPCc_2oeT07VLQ%3Aa%3A5975696-a77903a0b2%2Fthestar.com
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@Hernieth
Thanks for the link. As if “carding” the Afro-Canadian population in Toronto wasn’t egregious enough.
It seems the cops in Canada are in “monkey see, monkey do” mode. In other words, they have been looking at too much American television and decided they want to act the same flawed way as their American cousins.
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Not really, they have been racist for generations, you just don’t hear about it that much in the States. Whereas they may be more blatant in the States, they are insidious here. Take your pick as to what is worse. white supremacy has been around since the inception of this country(Canada). The whites are more ‘polite about it when there are lots of ‘minorities’ around. When you are the only one in a group, well, let the games begin. I find them to be grossly hypocritical when they look down on the Yanks when it comes to racism..
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Gee, I just saw this article posted yesterday.
Watch Nashville, Tenn., Mayoral Candidate Tell Roomful of Black Voters Racial Profiling Is ‘Absolutely Necessary’
https://www.theroot.com/watch-nashville-tenn-mayoral-candidate-tell-roomful-1825969607
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Looks like Ralph Bristol is taking a page from the Clinton, Obama, Trump playbook: publicly insult Black people as a dog whistle appeal to White supremacist voters.
To cynical politicians and their intended audience, this behavior positions them as courageous truth-tellers and leaders.
Unfortunately, it’s a tactic that works for most people who use it in the current environment.
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