George Zimmerman (1983- ) is an American insurance underwriter who has been charged with second-degree murder for the killing of Trayvon Martin. He is currently out on bail awaiting trial. Zimmerman admits to killing Martin. At issue is whether it was self-defence.
February 26th 2012: Zimmerman was a neighbourhood watchman who was studying to become a policeman. Although he was not on duty that night in his gated community (The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, Florida), he was driving down the street when he saw Trayvon Martin walking alone in the rain in the dark. He had not seen Martin before and thought he looked suspicious. He informed the police. They said they were sending an officer.
That is where Zimmerman’s duties as a neighbourhood watchman ended. But, against the instructions from the police, he got out of his car and followed Martin. They got into a fight and Zimmerman wound up shooting him dead.
He told the police it was self-defence. He said that Martin was beating his head against the sidewalk and threatening to kill him. The back of his head was bleeding, but he was not hurt badly enough to be sent to the hospital.
The police did not buy his story. They wanted to charge him with manslaughter, but the state attorney said they did not have enough to prove it in court. So the police let Zimmerman go free.
In early March the story went viral on the Internet of a 28-year-old white man in Florida getting away with shooting dead a 17-year-old black boy walking back from 7-Eleven armed with only a bag of Skittles and an Arizona Iced Tea.
On March 17th the recordings of the emergency calls were made public. On one you could hear the cries for help cut short by a gunshot. The story went national. There were protests calling for Zimmerman’s arrest.
On April 11th, more than a month after the shooting, Zimmerman was arrested on a charge of second-degree murder. Bail was set at only $150,000. He is now out on bail awaiting trial.
Race: Zimmerman identifies himself as Hispanic according to his voter registration. His mother is from Peru while his father is white (Baptist, not Jewish), a retired judge from Virginia. Zimmerman has a great grandfather on his mother’s side who was Afro-Peruvian. Early news reports said Zimmerman was white. The New York Times later said he was white Hispanic.
Weight and height: Zimmerman is 185 pounds (84kg) and 5 foot 8 (1.73m). Early news reports said he weighed over 200 pounds. (Martin was taller but lighter: 158 pounds (72kg) and 5 foot 11 (1.80m). Early news reports put him at 140 pounds.)
Arrested in 2005: Zimmerman was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” – both third-degree felonies. Charges were later dropped, which allowed him to get a permit to own a gun.
Domestic violence: Also in 2005 a judge granted his girlfriend a restraining order against him. Zimmerman counterfiled and was granted one as well.
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The more I learn about GZ, I’m more than convinced he’s guilty as hell of killing Trayvon.
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neither one of these peoples past is important, the only thing that matters is trayvon on top of zimmerman trying to kill him. leigh you need to learn more about trayvon if you think past history matters in this case. stand your ground demands that zimmerman is innocent.
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And after Trayvon’s murder, open season on black people continues with Rekia Boyd and Alan Blueford, to name a couple.
I find it insult when people try to excuse the murders of black people even the unarmed ones. To them they are guilty of something and deserved to be killed. It’s…I have no words for such a mentality.
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it’s not known wether or not trayvon was murdered. most likely he was killed out of self defense. I find it insulting that you make trayvons killing about race when there is nothing about race in this case. these other cases have no analagy to the trayvon case. open season on black people?? get over it dude you act like blacks are the only people to ever be oppressed. affirmitive action is now putting white folk out of jobs to give your people jobs they are unqualified for just to meet a quota. open season?? black people are not being slaughter by the tens of thousands in the streets, you sound like a race baiter.
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AmeriKKKa. Meet your new boss, same as the old boss. Black people stay getting the shaft in this country. It will continue to be so until the Second Coming. It’s just going to get worse because there is a perceived loss of power. Violence against Black people is par for the course when discussing the history of race in America. The only difference is the internet, the availability of information and the ability to disseminate said information. Racism is a birth defect of this country. This case instills within me a quiet rage.
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I read a report, and , Im sorry Im not linking it, where it said that Zimmerman was on two differant kinds of perscription pills…
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his medication had nothing to do with trayvon sitting on his chest pounding zimmermans head into the pavement.
amerikkka?? the kkk is so irrelevant it’s impossible. black people getting the shaft?? sorry black people are getting preferential treatment in government jobs and university placement. in government jobs being given jobs they are not qualified for just to meet a quota. also in univerisity’s to fill diversity quotas even though they are not likely to even finish.
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Yes Miguel. I already know you hate Black people. I don’t need to get into a discussion with you. It would be an exercise in futility. Don’t like what’s being said on the blog, well, no one is forcing you to stay here and hear the Negroids whine. Good day.
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@ B.R.
I wonder if the defense is going to try to use that. Do you know what kind of prescription medication it was?
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Miguel, have you ever considered how many white Americans have gotten preferential treatment for jobs? So if we get even a fraction of Black Americans who are ‘unqualified’ and have preferential treatment over white employee candidates, there should be no change at all to job performance…unless you’re saying that white candidates are magically ‘more qualified’ (even though most white Americans don’t have to compete against equally or more qualified people of color since they get preference for being white).
Anyhow, I have a question. One thing that does raise eyebrows is that Zimmerman is has reportedly shown signs of physical injuries the night of the killing. That does lend some credence to his theory, but not much. I wouldn’t be surprised if he harassed Trayvon and Trayvon tried to defend himself. In fact, it makes a lot more sense than Zimmerman’s claim that a boy getting candy suddenly attacked him. Yeah, that’s pretty ridiculous. Never mind. Question resolved.
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@Miguel Miguel
Why are you posting on this blog? You’re not going to find anyone who thinks like you here, or that will agree with you.
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@4socialjusticenow
I would agree with him too an extent, but nothing as brash as he had been posting the last few days under Circusboy but yeah, why in the hell do you come onto a blog such as this, just to attempt a fight with belligerent babble, and attempt to make white folks like me look terrible? please think a little more.
as far as the topic, you have to give it to Treyvon he would probably have an upper-hand, because he was in shape, and was muscular due to football (I would assume anyways) Zimmerman kinda looks kinda fat, driving around instead of walking around for a neighborhood watch.
Zimmerman looks more Mexican than White(Caucasian) and that is how I have been seeing it so far, bust most of what I have observed on both sides is unreasonable hype on both sides of the case portrayed on every news media (barring the sites who are blatantly biased.
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Ugh……Miguel just stop. So mind numbing *Rubs temple*
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You certainly can afford to look fat and out of shape when you own a gun. But it should not be that easy to kill a man or a teenager, well that’s true for most folk. It was an argument against conscript army when it was realized that humans would rather endanger themselves than be put in a situation in which they would have to kill some unknown person.
It’s hard to believe there are people going around making excuse for the death of teenagers as if the world were a better place without him/her living in it.
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@ Miguel Miquel:
I’m sorry, but I didn’t ask for your unsolicited, seven PhD’s advice. Thanks.
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@ Abagond
Since this murder and its hidden context, coupled with multiple shootings of blacks due to this race war, my entire family and I have changed our daily routines. We text or call each other now constantly when going to the market, etc. We only get gas during daylight and no more walking to the lake.
This case has opened my eyes more than I can express about the sickness that dwells within the hearts of AmeriKlans. When you can justify the killing of a boy, who did NOTHING wrong and rally behind his killer…It tells me that God is just waiting for that precise moment to take back his world.
I always knew from childhood that something was wrong with us…you know, humans. I knew without a doubt from my youth, that whites hated us. I never really understood why though…till I began to research the monstrocity called White Supremacy.Then I realized why the murders, the rapes, the lynchings took place. AmeriKlan is a sick place indeed. And having white skin allows the sickness to fester and become JUSTIFIED.
Abagond, you know what’s funny? Everyone who was asked this simple question: “Would you still be behind Zimmerman if he had killed a blonde boy by the name of Chad?”…Cannot answer directly. They look away, they change the subject..they deflect the argument and talk about the fact that Trayvon smokes weed. Which is illegal…so he deserved to be shot. All without flinching..all with a straight face…with no remorse..no sorrow…nothing…as if he’s a stray dog being put down. Are these people even human? Where is that Puritanical soul they keep ramming down our throats? Just yesterday I saw an article about the death of JonBenet Ramsey and how AmeriKlan was “aching” for her…
I’m so saddened that slavery and it’s aftershocks remain right here in my own backyard. I’m also sad that if that was my husband, brother or dad..or ME, we both know this country has no feelings for women of colour…AmeriKlan would applaud that another n****r was dead.
Sorry to ramble…I have so much on my mind. We blacks need to start banding together. Put aside all the petty differences and unite. They’re coming for us…soon…and they won’t stop till the war is over.
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Darqbeauty , here :http://hiphopwired.com/2012/05/21/george-zimmerman-high-on-pills-during-trayvon-martin-shooting/
I definitly think that is relevant, especialy related to carrying a weapon
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@ Miguel/Circusboy
I feel sorry for you.
As a Latin man, you should know better. This country is fighting to have your people..all of them..deported for fear that you’ll take their jobs away from them.
In Arizona, my uncle tells me that many Latinos or “Latino-looking” people are pulled over, harrased and shot because of the racism over there.
Tell me tell you something once and for all.
I know this for a fact, so just listen.
In this country…concerning white Supremacy, if you are not one of them…you’re an “other”. Other=enemy. Other=bad. Other=needing to be put down like a dog.
Your own internalized racism mixed with your prejudice for blacks is clouding your mind. When this race war begins, you and your people will not be spared. Due to the complexity of Latin America, with the mixing of African and Asian blood, you, Miguel, are considered coloured.
Understand?
Coloured=inferior.
Understand?
I always shake my head when other coloureds hate other coloureds…I don’t get it. In the eyes of whitness, if it’s not white…it’s black.
Understand?
I won’t be responding further…you are dumb. And I just don’t have the strength.
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I’ll tell you a (racist) joke that is often told here in France.
“One day in Paris there’s an argument between Morrocans and Algerians. It gets out of hand and the Morrocans kill 3 Algerians. The Algerians want revenge and come back with reinforcements and kill 4 Morrocans.
What’s the score?
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7-0 for France.”
I’m just telling you this because to the average white racist this case is – mutatis mutandis- exactly similar. A latino killing a black man and ending up in jail? 2-0
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^^^Then why can’t they see that?
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@truthbetold
I just saw your question…I was in the other zimmerman blog until I realized that Miguel Miguel was not answering my questions and he jumped over to this blog. But to answer your question…I feel that If a white kid was gunned down by a black/latin/asian/arabic…etc then you better believe the police would not only arrest and charge them…but beat them down as well. I only get my opinion from watching the news and watching you tube videos and just living life. by the way…my sons name is Cody lol 🙂
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@Miguel/circusboy
I found you! I thought you were avoiding my questions lol 😉 So I will copy and paste them here for you to answer ;D….@Miguel Miguel
you only answered one of my questions…I now know you think I am racist.,..but you did not answer…Who are you saying I am racist against? And…Are you saying I am a thug? Please….enlighten me 😉
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@Miguel Miguel
Since I just found you over here I thought I would copy and paste this as well…I am assuming you did not see it because it came after my questions that were not answered so…here you go…
“I know that race should not be an issue in this case.”
I do agree with that statement…It shouldn’t be about race! But…the hard sad truth is that IT IS! You cannot say that it isn’t when you implied that what he was wearing and behavior made him a thug. From my understanding and beliefs that range way back to the first time I ever heard the word “thug” used…was to describe a black male involved in gang/drug related violence. The term “hood” was used to describe the same type of activity for white males. Not sure what the terms for white men now are because I am out of the loop on that but the point is….by stereotyping and using that term you sound racist. Also you claim to not be racist…but consider the fact that you just might be an Unknowing Racist and with that acceptance you can then choose to become an Enlightened Racist (like myself) and LISTEN and LEARN so that you may actually become free from Racism.
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it’s not prejudiced to know blacks have more violent criminals per populace, nor is it prejudiced or racist to know that in major city’s government jobs are given to the biggest loudest talking least qualified applicants merely for the color of their skin. Martin Luther King must be rolling over in his grave. I know for a fact that we have a black president not because he was the man for the job , because i work downtown and all black folk said they were going to vote for the man because of the color of his skin.
hate black people ?? One of my business partners is black. He buys & sells cars & is a very intelligent go getter. I”ve known him for years & years. He was friends with my father 20 years before I even really started dealing with him on business. we have been many places together & have lunch regularly. hate?? I don’t have a hatefull bone in my body , I love everybody.
yes I know I”m colored. I live in an area surrounded by REDNECKS, & NARROW MINDED PEOPLE (including people of color mexicans ,blacks, ukranians,russians etc.) I converse with evrybody and try to help as much as possible . I give money to homeless people (when they do something to earn it) I feed starving artist(just for being themselves & trying to earn a living). I don’t hate anyone for their race color or creed. I’ve been told my whole life I’m not white because I speak different languages. which to me is funny because you would think that speaking multiple languages is a good thing because it takes education & intelligence to do so. when I was young my skin was bronze because I lived in Miami FL. when I moved back up north I lost my pigment and was very fair skinned and even whiter than some white people. even still I got beat up daily in school for not being white & dating a black girl. I take great offense @ being called a racist because I’ve put in my dues as a black man.
with all this being said , I can read and comprehend enlish on a better scale than most native speakers @ a very high level. the stand your ground law says zimmerman is innocent no matter who attacked who. this has nothing to do with race.
a young man who did nothing wrong?? he attacke another man. period that is illegal he did do something wrong. there is nothing a person can say to another man that justify’s putting their hands on them.
dumb?? I have 7 phd’s . what is your education?? truth betold??? you are totally emotion based. none of your statements have anything to do with facts or real law.
slavery has nothing to do with today’s modern world. black’s still are uneducated not because of the system but because of the attitude of hip hop culture and black mentality that to be educated is not black. I’ve seen this happen many times. black boy’s follow a girl into book store, and when they find out she (a white girl) is there to study & not just hang out , they beat feet, quicker than a cat can lick it’s own ass.
Slavery??? it’s really high time blacks get over slavery . black were probably slaves the least of all cultures that have ever been enslaved & they did it to them selves. black people in Africa sold other black people into slavery. this is not something that white or other people did to black people , they just took advantage of another commodity on an open market , human forced labor. the term slave comes from the slavic nations who were the first slaves. my people the spanish were slaves for 700 years and we hardly ever mention it , or use it as a crutch or excuse for not trying, & or blaming other people for our shortcomings. GET OVER IT ALREADY.
LEIGH you asked for input by posting in an open forum.
truth be told blacks have more rights now than anybody else. hate crimes laws are unconstitutional as the 14th amendment states we all are supposed to be protected equally. to say that a person being attacked and their color mentioned in the attack makes the crime any worse is unequal.
the supreme court has even said they would not prosecute black people intitmidating white people at voting stations. tell me this is equal rights. no it’s not it’s special rights .so to say that blacks don'[t have equal rights.
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Another interesting thing is that in the 180+ evidence document released by Ms. Corey, a neighbor said that Mr.Zimmerman was a “laid back” sort of guy but that he was also very likely to “provoke” another person. Also, a witness mentioned seeing two men running, The one behind being about 10-12′ (feet?) behind. Also, because the medical report (listed as homicide) of Trayvon Martin has his wound being a contact shot (circle and gun residue on his skin, shirt, and hoodie) that went through his heart and a part of his lungs then it makes it clear that they were very close to one another at the time that Mr. Martin was shot. It is a possibility that it was in self defense, however, I have some doubt since Mr.Zimmerman had the gun to Mr.Martins body at his chest.
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@CIRCUSBOY/MIGUEL
The FACT that GZ ignored 911 operator and pursued a teenage boy (which is evident from the 911 call) that was walking home then got into an altercation with him and shot him DISQUALIFIES HIM FROM THE LAW THAT YOU SAY YOU HAVE IN-DEPTH KNOWLEDGE OF BASED OFF OF YOUR 7 PHD’S. HE DID NOT USE EVERY MEANS POSSIBLE TO PREVENT THE ALTERCATION. HE GAVE UP HIS RIGHT TO CLAIM THAT LAW WHEN HE CHOSE NOT TO PREVENT A LIKELY ALTERCATION THAT ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE KNOWS…IF YOU CHASE AFTER A PERSON THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE IT AS A THREAT TO THEIR SAFETY. ALSO…WHILE STUDYING FOR YOUR 7 PHD’s AT WHAT POINT WERE YOU TOLD THAT A TEENAGER WAS A MAN? PLEASE STOP CLAIMING THAT YOU CAN COMPREHEND THE LAW BETTER THAN MOST…BECAUSE YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY WRONG AND IT MAKES YOU LOOK IGNORANT. THERE IS SOMETHING MISSING FROM YOUR LOGIC THAT YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF….JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE LAWS PROTECTING “BLACKS” DOES NOT MEAN THAT PEOPLE OBEY THEM!!!! WHAT WORLD ARE YOU LIVING IN??? BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN THAT VERSION!
P.S. Are you ever going to answer my questions???
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@ Miguel Miquel:
I still didn’t ask for your unwanted advice, Mr. Seven PhD’s. Thanks.
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It’s funny how one particular individual has all these credentials and yet has no common sense.
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@ leigh204
You do not seriously believe that this guy has 7 PhDs, do you?
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@HD I do not think anyone other than Circusboy/Miguel Miguel believes he has 7 PHDs. But if he does…he probably bought them from one of those websites that you pay a few hundred dollars and get a diploma.
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Miguel,
Why can’t you get over slavery? you always bring it up. XD
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Miguel/circusboy,
Your constant need to remind us of your make-believe Ph.D’s is annoying enough, but your obsession with defending a killer is getting sickening, and your insight as to how black people are predictably insulting.
For someone who said in another post that you don’t care about Zimmerman, you seem to go out of your way defending him and making him into the real victim. To someone with even a GED, that doesn’t make any sense. So, it’s obvious that you care a great deal for this man as you seem to have him on your mind whenever and wherever you comment.
At the same time Miguel/circusboy one can conclude that you want Trayvon Martin to be a violent thug so badly that you would say anything to support Zimmerman. We can all tell in your comments loaded with contradictory and predictable stock statements that have been used ad nauseum by other certain fellows.
You can tell us how many Ph. D’s you THINK you have as long as possible, but if you continue to spew the typical, predictable, “I’m not racist, but…” lines over and over again like a tape recorder, it shows that you barely have what it takes to even earn a certificate of completion for completing the 4th grade.
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By the way Miguel/circusboy,
Slavery is way off topic here. Someone with your intelligence should know that.
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@ Everyone
Miguel claims to be Hispanic.
@ stevenhaws
I agree with hype is outrageous on both sides of the fence.
On another note, I personally could care less of the race of Zimmerman or Martin for that matter and personally I don’t see why the race is such an issue. The issue should be someone is dead.
Personally Zimmerman does not look overweight to me and based on the 911 calls he was not too overweight to jump out of his car and run after Martin. Even with MArtin being athletic I just have a hard time believing that Zimmerman just laid down and took a beating.
If that was me I would have scratched, bit, punched, heck I would have done anything to get away. Once I got away then I would have yelled for help.
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@ leigh204
You will not truly believe his stupidity until you fully read it for yourself.
Did you hear his theory on Martin being the stalker? LOL!!
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@ Miguel
“yes I know I”m colored. I live in an area surrounded by REDNECKS, & NARROW MINDED PEOPLE.”—Explains your stupidity.
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The more I learn the more I am inclined to believe he is guilty. For starters it is just bothering me to no end that this man did not fight Martin back.
I actually could believe him if he had punched Martin, bit him, something but he did none of that. He made the choice to just shoot. After having a look at the bruising, I was also quite surprised that it was not more.
I also have been hearing information that Zimmerman shot because Martin reached for his gun. Here’s a big question??? Where was his gun for Martin to risk reaching for it? I could only think of two places a gun would be for someone to think reach for it…either Zimmerman had that gun drawn or he was in the process or drawing it.
If Martin was beating him and he shot him then, the question you have enough strength to pull a gun out of your waist band and pull the trigger, but you are too weak to fight back. Makes you wonder.
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@ deedee7789
That is where some of or rather most of my reservations come in. If you are fighting someone what are the chances of such a clean chest shot like that.
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@ Miguel Miquel
I am also waiting on a logical answer to my question.
Are you saying that the men that signed the “Stand your ground Law” into law can not read English?
I know you won’t answer but it is funny watching you squirm like the lying worm you are. If you actually decide the answer it will be full of nonsense crap that has nothing to do with what I asked.
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@ Michelle
He won’t answer because he has no answer for you. He knows he is wrong, so he repeats the same mess in place of answering you or responds to someone else to avoid answering you. He has not level of facts to provide. Hence his lack of links or any other facts to provide to the post.
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@ HD:
Sure, I do. 😉 He received all his doctorates from Clown U. 😀
(I was kidding, of course! I don’t believe anything this guy claims.)
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Sharina,
You’re right. Miguel is incapable or unwilling to answer any questions, especially if they get down to the heart of the matter.
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@ Sharina:
Oh, I believe in his stupidity. His comments are truly laughable. And also, look at him. He has the “duh” expression all over his face. 😀
And, yes, I read his theory regarding Martin stalking Zimmerman. Unbelievable.
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“Miguel Miquel
a young man who did nothing wrong?? he attacke another man. period that is illegal he did do something wrong. there is nothing a person can say to another man that justify’s putting their hands on them.”
Linda say,
Miguel, you keep making this statement. I had this discussion with Doug, now I will have it with you.
Please provide a reference to the evidence that states that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman.
Zimmerman’s bruises shows he was getting his butt kicked but it does not show who STARTED the fight….
The only person who states that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman is Zimmerman himself…he is trying to claim self-defense to explain why he pulled the trigger…
most people who shoot someone tend to tell the police that they had a reason to do it…does it mean the shooter was correct in pulling the trigger…sometimes yes, sometimes no…that’s why the judicial system is in place for these circumstances.
Zimmermans statement is NOT FACT, it is his verbal explanation that he needs the police, courts, or jury to believe because NO ONE witnessed the actual beginning of this fight.
This is a ‘he say/she say’ case with only one person involved alive to tell his version of events…dead men can’t speak and defendents tend to want to cover their a’ses…that’s why the police tend to not take a defendents word at face value.
that’s why third party corroboration or tangible, factual evidence is used by the court of law.
So, unless you Miguel, were present when the fight began between Trayvon vs Zimmerman, you are only giving your opinion and your opinion is not a Fact.
You were not there when this fight began and there is No Evidence that supports your theory that Travyon attacked Zimmerman or that Trayvon started the fight.
so, please provide the detailed reference that supports your OPINION that Trayvon hit Zimmerman first.
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@ leigh204
I actually could not stop laughing when he came up with that theory.
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does nto matter either way even an attacker can claim stand your ground if they percieve their life in danger , so even if zimmerman attacked( no motive for zimmerman to attack he was not hiding and casing houses for break ins.) he still can claim stand your ground. martin had no reason to fear for his life and had a way out so he had only motive to attack.
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@ Miguel Miquel
At what point did you come to the conclusion Martin had no reason to fear for his life. So a person carrying a gun is safer than a person who is not? LOL. Man start posting some facts. It was funny the first few comments, but as an adult you need to do more than tell jokes with your life.
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Miguel,
You keep stating that Trayvon was there casing the houses. And you’ve based this off of nothing but your own limited view on who black people are. Trayvon’s father lived in that neighborhood, and he was visiting there.
And you say Martin had no reason to fear for his life? Are you serious? If someone, anyone had a gun and confronted you, you wouldn’t be nervous? Miguel, common sense is not your strong suit.
Linda made the point clear that you weren’t there to witness anything. Furthermore, you haven’t either read any reports or done a lot of research on this case. You don’t even answer the questions asked to you. All you’ve done, which is more than clear, was try to turn this deceased teen into a no-good thug and turn Zimmerman into a noble protector for killing this thug, a person’s life to which you have no regard over.
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You finally got Zimmerman’s height and weight right. But it looks like you’re still fudging Trayvon’s a little bit. The incident report lists him at 6’0 and 160 lbs.
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I was a teen in the early 1990s, close to where I grew up there was an apartment complex that had a security guard at night. He failed the police academy written exam. I know that because I heard it strait from one of his relatives.We used to cut through there to get to these woods where everyone used to drink beer.
Back there we would have bon fires and fire up and drink. But we really weren’t up to serious crimes. We were just being dumb kids.
Now this failed wannabe police security loser. Used to chase us and try to detain us.
One night he went too far and knocked a 15 year old kid to the ground. Luckily the kid wasn’t seriously hurt but he could have been.
I think when people are making this all about race they are missing the point that this guy could have done the same thing to a white kid who he thought was up to no good. If my friends back then were around now, with their Slayer t-shirts and FU attitudes and ripped jeans. (We were kind of bad as* back then) were cutting through that place and one of then whopped his but, the same thing might have happened.
Was race also involved ……absolutely . But I think it has been blown out of proportion.
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cont. f that I know it is blown out of proportion. You guys don’t want to hear about black racists who hurt or kill whites. But you will take a few cases and try to put it across the board on all whites. I know that is few and far between and good black people shouldn’t be held accountable for the actions of a few. But if you don’t have that same good will attitude then why would the people you argue with (including me) not take a contrary point of view and bring up some crimes by blacks on whites to counter that. With every action is an equal an opposite reaction. Stop trying to make such a science of the mind of the evil white people over one case. If you don’t want people to do it to you. Take the high road if you are indeed better.
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dave,
In the first place I doubt he would be just as suspicious and gung-ho if he saw a white kid in street wear, especially a hoodie.
Second, whenever black-on-white crime is brought up, those crimes lead people to judge an entire group based on those incidents real or not. Plus, they are likely used by regular people to support their fears and hatred of black people altogether.
Third and speaking for myself particularly, I do not refer to the entire white race in my views, nor do I refer to white people as being the issue. Although there are many whites here and around the world who do have that racist mentality.
Also, considering the history that white Europeans have put PoC through, it seems reasonable to be upset at white people, but many do not hate them. Still, history in regards to genocides and rapes should never be discounted if it refers to white people. Yet, the instant that it does, the first response is always “That happened a long time ago. Get over it!”
Which leads me to the fourth point to which white-on-black crime, present or past, is put down by whites in a heartbeat. It’s a way of saying that our experiences and pain don’t matter as opposed to the experiences and pain of whites. And, that is where the black-on-white crime argument usually enters.
Fifth, when PoC talk about their experiences and pain resulted from racism, that is not the time to argue with them. That is the wrong to step over their concerns with yours. It is their time to finally speak candidly and honestly without any filters or editors. That seems to the point you, for some odd reason, can’t or won’t grasp as evidenced in your comments.
Sixth, black people, for the most part, have taken the high road while whites have continued to ease on down the low road. Any attempt to rise has been met with brute and deadly force from white people, civilians or government and police officials. History has shown that to be true. So, what’s the point in being the better man when there are no such men in my race according to white people? It makes me wonder if they know what they want let alone know what they’re talking about.
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To add to my final paragraph in the last comment that is not to say that black people shouldn’t strive to be better. They have against adversity, but not all are so lucky and it is those left behind that most white people love to death because they confirm their disdain.
Whenever a black person suffers and cries, somewhere a white man is smiling and laughing.
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but my brotha, It isn’t all white men laughing. Yes, you are right some are. But just as you hate the generalization of your whole race, you have to be careful not to become in reverse what you hate the most.
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Great points , Brothawolf
Look, Dave, I dont get what is the problem with discussing only why are black men and women getting gunned down when they are unarmed and innocent of doing anything wrong just because of an assumtion based on stereotypes.
There is thread after thread on this blog with this reacurring theme.
If you want to start a blog about black on white crime, feel free, that is that suject on its own, not this subject
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also brothawolf, I never met anyone in my life , family or friends, that have hurt a black person in the way you describe that I know of. That is the truth. Have I heard the N word used with hatred yes. Have I heard many inappropriate black jokes, yes. Have I seen division and animosity and jealousy, yes. Have seen those same things the other way around, yes. We need to bridge the gap , not make it bigger.
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@B. R.
I’m just saying why people, including myself have brought it up in the past. I realize I was wrong at times.
I’m just saying that even though race was a factor with Zimmerman, It wasn’t the main factor. The guy was a ticking time bomb wannabe cop that could have killed anyone from any race.
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@Dave
You really need to think about what you just said…
“also brothawolf, I never met anyone in my life , family or friends, that have hurt a black person in the way you describe that I know of. That is the truth. Have I heard the N word used with hatred yes. Have I heard many inappropriate black jokes, yes. Have I seen division and animosity and jealousy, yes. Have seen those same things the other way around, yes. We need to bridge the gap , not make it bigger.” and “@B. R.
I’m just saying why people, including myself have brought it up in the past. I realize I was wrong at times.
I’m just saying that even though race was a factor with Zimmerman, It wasn’t the main factor. The guy was a ticking time bomb wannabe cop that could have killed anyone from any race.”
1. Just because you have not seen it happen does not mean that it does not happen.
2. If you consider yourself to not be racist…then sit back and read other blogs and posts that describe what is racist to a person on the receiving end. You may not feel as though it is racist…but if you TRULY care about people…then you will listen to what those things are and stop trying to defend yourself with crime statistics and what you have or have not seen.
3. Try to see this issue through the eyes of someone who lives this everyday. You might find yourself humbled.
4. To say to someone that race is not the main factor would be easy to say if you do not live on the receiving end.
5. Yes their are individuals out there that would kill someone from any race…But a statement like that is something that has been used for years to try and cover up the racism in this country. I understand that you may not have meant it that way…but generations of white families have tried to silence the black community with these types of remarks. This type of thinking was instilled in us by our prior generations and is passed on. Try to break the cycle by informing yourself not defending. Sit back and listen and learn. Don’t take things personal if they do not apply to you, just become aware that it does apply to others. If they do apply….humble yourself….allow that guilt, remorse, and embarrassment to surface…apologize sincerely…and keep learning so that we can truly bridge the gap.
It is in my humbled opinion that if you do not allow yourself to do the above mentioned things…then you can never truly be free of racist views.
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Just because you don’t believe it is true does not mean it is not true.
@ Dave
I want to make note that it is more than some white men that want to see blacks fail. It seems that the good whites are actually in the minority. I am happy to say I have been around good blacks, whites, and Asians so I can not attest to how bad things are as far as racism.
@ Michelle
Yes, the gap needs to be built but the biggest issue is people stereotyping and refusing to get to know each other based on that belief. We all need to start getting to know each other as an individual and not as a skin color.
@ Brothawolf
I agree. Blacks have always taken the high road. They always turn the other cheek and as a result when we do rally about something the comments are always “those blacks are out of control or they are just looking for a reason to riot.” A great example is the Martin case.
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@Sharina
I agree with you…I was just commenting on what dave said “Have seen those same things the other way around, yes. We need to bridge the gap , not make it bigger.”
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“Miguel Miguel,
does nto matter either way even an attacker can claim stand your ground if they percieve their life in danger , so even if zimmerman attacked( no motive for zimmerman to attack he was not hiding and casing houses for break ins.) he still can claim stand your ground. martin had no reason to fear for his life and had a way out so he had only motive to attack.”
Linda says,
Miguel, I didn’t ask you about Stand Your Ground, I asked you if you have a reference stating definitively who started the fight.
Zimmerman can say and claim anything he wants, but you Miguel, cannot vouch for Zimmerman because you were not there to witness this event nor do is Zimmermans self defense claims valid as fact.
Also, please provide the reference that states that Trayvon was hiding or casing houses, since all reports state he was on his way home back to his fathers house.
so if you have extra information that the news reports failed to publish, please share your references.
You seem to be saying alot of bulls’it without backup reference, so start providing it or stop talking out your a’s.
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Thank you for doing another post on Trayvon Martin’s story. I think about his loss and the lack of justice for him nearly every day. I really hope Zimmerman is locked away for life. He took the life of a young man who did nothing wrong except “look suspicious.”
Recently i came across this piece about the very suspect relationship between the Sanford Police Department & Zimmerman:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/23/george-zimmerman-sanford-police_n_1541250.html
No wonder why he has been given very favorable treatment since day 1).
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“duckduckgoofs
You finally got Zimmerman’s height and weight right. But it looks like you’re still fudging Trayvon’s a little bit. The incident report lists him at 6’0 and 160 lbs”
Linda says,
If you look on page 2 of Trayvons autopsy report, it lists him as 71 inches (thats 5’11) and 158 lbs.
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/357522-trayvon-martin-autopsy.html
and Zimmerman weighed in at 185 lbs when they arrested him in April.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/04/george-zimmerman-to-enter-not-guilty-plea-in-court-hearing-today/1
Based on the police report, Zimmermans weight was not recorded when he was detained in February, so no one knows how much he weighed on the night of the event, and according to his family, he lost weight since February.
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What’s the matter Miguel? Facts got your tongue.
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I was given this link that shows the crime scene and how things are set up.
It was presented to me last night on another blog. After looking at the scene I was extremely surprised at a few things, one being why was Zimmerman in that area, why did he say no one helped when he called for help, and why the story about the gun from his family.
This is the million dollar question for me. Why on earth was Zimmerman even in the location? He does not even live on that side and could have easily turned right from the main entrance to get to the area of the community he does live. If you check he is no where near it.
Why does he claim no one helped him? If I am not mistaken his magic eye witness it the one that yelled for Martin to get off of him and went to call 911. If that was so then help was on the way. Also I find it strange that at the prospect of the police that Martin did not run. Makes me wonder what the witness actually said to Martin and if Martin even heard him.
Lastly this story about the gun is getting a little ridiculous to me. As I have stated several times my husband is a gun owner. He has a holster but often times carries it in his waist band. From my understanding so did Zimmerman, so why would he run after Martin with a loaded weapon in his waistband. The gun could have fallen out and hurt a innocent bystander, could have fallen out and hurt himself etc. I find it hard to believe he chased him with the gun in his waistband.
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dave,
You said, “but my brotha, It isn’t all white men laughing. Yes, you are right some are. But just as you hate the generalization of your whole race, you have to be careful not to become in reverse what you hate the most.”
I do not generalize the entire group. Most of the time I use words like ‘some’ or ‘most.’ And if I don’t, it is not meant to be taken as a summation of all white people.
The point is that there are places to go where we can vent our frustrations because, whether you like it or not, whether you realize it or not, this is a white racist society we live in, and we can’t just sit back and take it because doing other wise is hurtful to whites? So, why should only they get to feel normal or good while we are expected to take our lumps and like it?
dave, here’s the thing. There are white people that will generalize an entire race whether they are Average Joes or Corporate Big Wigs, they will see all or most of us as based on the small minority of us that fits their prejudices. I always use the news as an example of this because they focus on the small minority of criminals to dominate most of their crime news in the first ten minutes of their programming. Yet, why is it that you rarely hear about any positives they’ve done? Is it because black people are incapable of doing anything positive? No. But to the people in the newsroom, it’s not news.
I remember one black man who told the story that he rescued a few people from a burning building. It didn’t make the news. He and his family and friends had to pressure -yes, pressure the newsroom to run his story. When they did, it wasn’t even on the front page. But we now that if that or any other black man were to rob, murder, assault, or rape someone, it would blow up on Page One.
And it is this mindset that not only gave Zimmerman the usual “slap on the wrist” for his murder of Trayvon, it is also that same mindset that has caused racists all over the country to come out and cast Trayvon into the bowels of hell. To them he deserved to die. Why? Because he was just another n*gger.
If you don’t believe me, ask Miquel, the man who claims to have 7 Ph. Ds but can’t put together a simple sentence structure to make his hollow points.
You also said, “also brothawolf, I never met anyone in my life , family or friends, that have hurt a black person in the way you describe that I know of. That is the truth. Have I heard the N word used with hatred yes. Have I heard many inappropriate black jokes, yes. Have I seen division and animosity and jealousy, yes. Have seen those same things the other way around, yes. We need to bridge the gap , not make it bigger.”
Well, I’ve never met anyone in my life, family and friends that have ever hurt a white person, but I’ve known a few of them that have instead been hurt by whites, not physically but emotionally and that can be more painful than physical pain.
So dave, if you’ve heard all those and seen all those, why didn’t you confront them? Why didn’t you express your animosity towards that kind of mentality? Why were they excused, but black-on-crime is the main priority?
In the end, it’s not us that need to do the heavy lifting to bridge this gap.
I fear this conversation is veering off topic. I’m going to stop here.
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@Linda
“Based on the police report, Zimmermans weight was not recorded when he was detained in February, so no one knows how much he weighed on the night of the event, and according to his family, he lost weight since February.”
Page 4 of the link at the bottom of the post. The police report has been updated with the missing information. Zimmerman was 200 pounds the night of the murder. He had a substantial weight advantage.
@Sharina
If I remember correctly there was a mention that Mr. Zimmerman was coming back from a store and noticed Mr/Martin during a “patrol”. I wish I remember the link >< so take that information lightly. But you bring up many great points. There are many things that just don't add up.
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Sharina wrote: “Also I find it strange that at the prospect of the police that Martin did not run. Makes me wonder what the witness actually said to Martin and if Martin even heard him.”
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Trayvon probably didn’t feel the need to make a run for it (if he indeed was on top and could make a run for it) due to the fact that it was actually Zimmerman who was the aggressor in the altercation. It was Trayvon who was the one defending himself against unidentified (adult) male assailant Zimmerman (who trailed the minor in a vehicle, then gave chase to the boy on foot, and who doubtlessy grabbed a hold of the kid as he caught up to him during the chase).
Trayvon in defending himself from his aggressor would have no reason to run from the prospect of the cops being called in.
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@ Linda
I was aware of the autopsy report but I wanted one of you to quote it. Thanks for obliging. And since at least some of you knew about it, why didn’t you or one of the others readers point it out when abagond said zimmerman outweighed trayvon by 40 pounds? Because you’re dishonest. That’s why. Just like martin’s parents were dishonest when they claimed he was 6’2 and between 140-150 pounds. Clearly, based on the autopsy you just quoted they were lying.
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@ deedee
I don’t know how true this is, but someone mentioned the position of the body. It was noted ( and again not sure how true) that Martin’s feet were toward the sidewalk and his head face down in the grass. If you have any information on that do you mind providing it. If this is true then Zimmerman story is really starting to stink.
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@duckduckgoofs
The 185lb was after he was taking into custody around the time that Ms. Corey charged Mr.Zimmerman, That was not his weight during the incident. The 40lb difference was during the actual incident so I would have to disagree with this:
“And since at least some of you knew about it, why didn’t you or one of the others readers point it out when abagond said zimmerman outweighed trayvon by 40 pounds? Because you’re dishonest. That’s why. Just like martin’s parents were dishonest when they claimed he was 6’2 and between 140-150 pounds. Clearly, based on the autopsy you just quoted they were lying.”
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@ Duckduckgoofs
I for one did not even remotely look at the report to quote who weighed what. So at what point are you claiming I am being dishonest? I can’t be dishonest about something I did not personally research myself to even make a quote on. I swear you look for anything to try an make someone look bad and in the end you are only hurting yourself.
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@Sharina
Referencing the link I posted:
pg 16
Officer Raimondo reported Mr.Martins dead body was in the “general direction of north”…
pg16
Officer Sastaigo(sp?) reported a keychain and flashlight near the T-portion of a walkway.
I will try to look at the link in more detail but so far no police officer reported the exact location of Mr. Martin as far as the sidewalk was concerned. I will have to look into more.
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@ duckduckgoofs
Also the last time I checked Abagond is an adult. If he made such a mistake on something then you call him out since you so caught it. It is ridiculous that your are sitting in here and waiting on everyone else to call him out and for what reason. Are we two years old now? Do we a hold back up crew to prove we are right on things? You have a voice on this thread so use it and stop hiding behind everyone else to do your bidding. Not everyone is that hung up on weight or skin color for that matter. Why are you so hung up on these things yet refuse to speak more than two lines regarding it? If it means that much to you then say something. Say it to Abagond and stop nit picking at everyone else when you have an issue with the information he provides and the things he says. Take it up with him.
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Correct: Do we have to have a whole back up crew to prove we are right on things?
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@ deedee
Thank you.
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@ Parfum Bleu
Good point, but I still have to question how much of what the witness said is true? I know if you see two guys fighting then you don’t usually get involved, but if you actually see a fight and think the guy is seriously getting hurt then why do you not help. Why would the witness just be like “Oh stop it get off of him….I am going to call the police.” I am starting to find that hard to believe that he sees a person get hurt and all he did was run in the house to call 911. With the abundance of cell phones these days on top of that. Also he can account for them fighting for 2 to 3 mins, but has no clue who started it. I say he is suspect.
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@Sharina: It was nighttime and raining, so it is possible that the guy who called 911 could only make out 2 figures fighting, and then just ran off to call the cops -or- he might have made out that one of the fighters was a young Black male (making the potioning of the 2 fighters unimportant, as the Black guy would typically be viewed as the true culprit in the fight regardless of who was on top ) and didn’t want to chance getting involved other than to call the cops. Lots of people, though, do not want to get involved enough to even call the cops, so I’m not surprised that he didn’t try to physically intervene between to strangers fighting.
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A possibility, of course, is that Trayvon was NOT on top when he was shot, as one witness (Witness 12, I believe) has gone on record as stating that immediately/moments after the gun was shot, she, the witness, saw Zimmerman on top of Trayvon. So, while the scratches on the back of Zimmerman’s head can be taken as an indication that he was on the bottom at some point during the tussle, they cannot be taken as an indication that he was on the bottom for the duration of the tussle.
For me, it is this positioning, Zimmerman on top, which goes a really long way in explaining why the front of both his jacket and his shirt wasn’t drenched and smeared with blood — as they definitely would have and should have been if Trayvon had been on top when the shooting occurred.
Then there’s the witness who claims she heard the sound of a very young voice whining, and that this whining stopped with the firing of the gun (we know that young Trayvon couldn’t linger–and, therefore, could no longer whine in fear–as he died immediately when the bullet tore through his heart). So, if we imagine that it’s Zimmerman who is on top and holding Trayvon down, it’s easy to see how Zimmerman could quickly retrieve his gun, place the gun squarely on the chest of the boy beneath him–a boy who is whining in horror as he knows he’s about to be murdered–and then pull the trigger….
All done in the dark and all done before the witness can get back from alerting the cops.
Of course a scenario such as the above would be difficult to construe as just a case of self-defense.
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@ Sharina
Meow.
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@duckduckgoof
You yourself need to realize that you are LYING when you say…
“Just like martin’s parents were dishonest when they claimed he was 6’2 and between 140-150 pounds. Clearly, based on the autopsy you just quoted they were lying.”
I myself, and this just may be the case with Trayvon’s parents, did not and do not always know exactly how much my kids weigh. To say they are lying…one would assume you know them personally and they told you they were lying. I do have a question for you though….does the weight factor make any difference as to whether GZ is guilty or not? I am only asking because…I never mentioned a discrepancy in the weight because it was not an issue to me. I was more concerned with someone’s son was murdered and he was made out to be a thug, as to say they believe he deserved it, and a crazy man with a gun was free and was not being arrested.
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@ Michelle
1 Even a stranger knows the difference between 5’11 and 6’2 so its guaranteed his own parents would. Ergo, they lied.
2 Abagond was the one making an issue of weight. I simply corrected his figures.
3 You and the rest of Team Trayvon didn’t seem to have much of a problem with abagond’s shady figures until it didn’t go your way.
4 Waah.
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@ duckduckgoofs
I am being fair with you the same as I am mostly with everyone else. But I will present this question to you again. How am I being dishonest (I am team trayvon)? Show me a post where I have personally drawn a conclusion based on weight or height. Show me where I have even hinted at it being something I used as evidence in this case.
Take your time.
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Here is something I would like for all of the “self defense” claimers to take into consideration….since facts do not have an effect on your rationalization….
Now when you read this I would like for you to try…I know it is hard…but try really hard to forget about your beliefs that Trayvon was a “thug” and “deserved it”…I know I know…some of you may not have typed it on here…but to me it is the only possible thing that I can think of for your justification. And I want you to try….again I know it is hard…but try to forget your beliefs that GZ was this “innocent” and “law abiding” citizen that was “protecting the neighborhood”. Try to forget about the “neighborhood watch” because we all are neighborhood watch…some of us just don’t care to have a title or be bothered with schedules that someone else makes for us. NONE OF THAT MATTERS FOR WHAT I AM ABOUT TO TELL YOU…
VISUALIZE YOURSELF AS THE DRIVER
Scenario #1 (Visualize yourself as the driver):
You are driving through your neighborhood and you are driving past someone who is acting suspicious…stop it…I told you to forget about the “thug” stereotype…you decide that something needs to be done…but you are unarmed and are unsure if you would have the upper hand if things went bad because the other person might have a gun. What do you do?
a. pull over, but stay in your vehicle, and call the police and let them handle it?
b. pull over get out of your vehicle call 911 and chase after the person of “suspect” not knowing if you will have the upper hand?
Scenario #2 (Visualize yourself as the driver):
You are driving through your neighborhood and you are driving past someone who is acting suspicious…again…stop it…I told you to forget about the “thug” stereotype…you decide that something needs to be done…you have a gun and aren’t sure if you would have the upper hand if things went bad because the other person may or may not have a gun. What do you do?
a. pull over, but stay in your vehicle, and call the police and let them handle it?
b. pull over get out of your vehicle call 911 and chase after the person of “suspect” not knowing if you will have the upper hand?
NOW…VISUALIZE YOURSELF AS A TEENAGER WALKING AND RUNNING
(*****THESE SCENARIOS ARE DONE A LITTLE DIFFERENT-SO STOP CRITIQUING AND PAY ATTENTION TO THE MEANING*****)
Scenario #1 (Visualize yourself as teenager walking):
You are walking through your neighborhood and you notice a man pull their vehicle over, get out and make a phone call. You continue walking but are more aware of their presence. Then you notice the man staring at you as he is talking on the phone. He continues staring at you as he is talking. You start to feel unsafe and are unsure if this man is calling his friends to come help him….kidnap you or beat you up. What do you do?
a. Remember what your mother told you about staying away from strangers and RUN!
b. Continue walking even though you are scared and know what your mother taught you?
Scenario #2 (Visualize yourself as the teenager running)
You are now running through your neighborhood to get far away from this man…and suddenly he starts running after you. You continue running but realize this crazy man is not going to stop chasing you and you become tired and/or you worry about leading this crazy man back to your house where a young kid is. What do you do?
a. Stop, turn around and ask ever so kindly…”Excuse me kind sir…but may I ask why you are following me?”
b. Stop, turn around and stand your ground and say…in a strong tone…”Why are you following me?”
Have I made it clear yet? Do you find yourself feeling a slight bit wrong? Do you ever think you can get over your egotistical racist views to admit you were wrong? It is okay…we won’t bite. We actually have more respect for people when they can admit they were wrong.
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@duckduckgoof/miguel miguel/circusboy
I am on to you! *wink wink* 😀
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@duckduckgoof/miguel miguel/circusboy
I am still waiting for you to answer my questions 😀
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the correct way to defuse a situation like that is to just go home & call the police. don’t even talk to the dude. because that most likely is what started the situation . when trayvon said “you got a problem” zimmerman probably said hell ya you little motherfucker, then trayvon probably thought words spoken to him that he does not like gave him the right to put his hands on a nother humab being.
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hahaha young men trayvons age do not get tired from running mere miles.
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AND THERE WE HAVE IT EVERYONE….
MIGUEL MIGUEL JUST ADMITTED TO GEORGE ZIMMERMAN BEING THE AGGRESSOR. LMFAO…..MIGUEL MIGUEL YOU ARE A LOST CAUSE AND DON’T EVEN KNOW IT!
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@ Miguel
What does giving to charity have to do with anything? I donate blood, I’m an organ donor, I donate money to cancer research and March of dimes, etc. so what? You are not the only person who does it?
What you have yet to do is provide facts. Only thing you have done is build a solid case against Zimmerman. If any man is upset about someone staring at them then it is reasonable to say he has anger issues and in his anger it is also reasonable for him to shoot or kill someone.
At this statement you are probably going to say, but Martin Blah blah blah and I am going to[ insert Miguel quote] and you are going to disappear for a few days.
Your theories suck. You suck and I suggest you start finding some facts to back you up instead of planting this large amount of psycho babble on the board.
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@ Miguel
It is obvious from your comments that you do not know what facts are. Try defining facts and tell me what in your post leads to facts. You talk but are afraid to provide links. When someone confronts you with actual facts, then you are quick to ignore or run off.
I am still waiting on you to refute what the “stand your ground” co-signers and law makers have said regarding Zimmerman not being able to claim it and why he is not. I see you keep believing he can, yet you refuse to acknowledge the statements of the very individuals who would know this law better than anyone. I even gave you some links, but you refuse to click on them. You actually refuse to research the case period.
You are the only Zimmerman supporter in here running off of pure fiction. There is a racist blog that would more fit your standards regarding this case.
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I sure do know the facts. there is nothign to know better than anybody else it’s plain english. even the aggressor can clam it if they are percieving death imminant. no I did not admit zimmerman agressor, quit twisting word’s around that just arent there.cussing someone is not grounds for being attacked. words do not justify any kind of violence in a civilized society, no matter what you call them . trayvon should have just went home. remember crime went down 80% after trayvons removal from the scene.
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“duckduckgoofs
@ Linda
I was aware of the autopsy report but I wanted one of you to quote it. Thanks for obliging. And since at least some of you knew about it, why didn’t you or one of the others readers point it out when abagond said zimmerman outweighed trayvon by 40 pounds? Because you’re dishonest. That’s why. Just like martin’s parents were dishonest when they claimed he was 6’2 and between 140-150 pounds. Clearly, based on the autopsy you just quoted they were lying.”
Linda says,
Total BS…if you had known about the autopsy report, like the lying, blowhard you are, you would have posted it. You are the most dishonest person on this board.
You are dishonest with yourself, as well as everbody here, especially when you post comments like this.
You and I have never spoken on this board. If you wish to address me, don’t bring to me your arguments with other posters. I am not here to correct Abagond nor do I give 2 sh’ts about how you feel about this case.
Also, please provide the direct qoutes where Trayvon’s parents STATED their son was 6’2 or his weight….I don’t remember reading or hearing that direct quote coming out their mouths, so if you have that references, please share.
If you want honesty, start with yourself. Start showing references about an event that you did not witness.
You are not the arbiter of Truth, especially when it comes to this case.
You have no 1st hand knowledge about the events that night nor do you personally know the 2 people involved in this case. So, post what you read and stop spreading your opinion like it’s fact.
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“deedee7789
Page 4 of the link at the bottom of the post. The police report has been updated with the missing information. Zimmerman was 200 pounds the night of the murder. He had a substantial weight advantage.
Linda says,
Thanks for the update, Dee.
I had seen the original partial report in the beginning of this case, so it’s good to know that there is official information now, so that people can stop speculating.
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“Miguel Miquel
no matter what you call them . trayvon should have just went home. remember crime went down 80% after trayvons removal from the scene.”
Linda says,
Miguel, the newspaper reports state that Trayvon was going home after leaving the store .
If you have read any news reports about this case, then you have at least read the stories which stated he was returning home to his father’s house.
If you havent’ read any, Here’s an excerpt from one story:
“February 26, 2012
While certain details remain a matter of heated disagreement, here’s what we know: Neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman, 28, was driving his SUV though his Orlando-area neighborhood (known as the “Retreat at Twin Lakes”) when he called 911 to report “a real suspicious guy,” a “black male” walking around. That was Martin, heading back to the house where he was staying after a 7-Eleven run.”
http://theweek.com/article/index/226211/the-trayvon-martin-case-a-timeline
and since you’re not a mind reader or psychic, you have NO IDEA what Trayvon was doing after Zimmerman stopped talking to 911.
so, please explain your opinion (and provide references) because your opinions seems to contradict almost every news report written about this case.
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@ Miguel Miquel
I nor did anyone say cussing someone was stand your ground, but you just stated that a few posts ago.
“the correct way to defuse a situation like that is to just go home & call the police. don’t even talk to the dude. because that most likely is what started the situation . when trayvon said “you got a problem” zimmerman probably said hell ya you little motherfucker, then trayvon probably thought words spoken to him that he does not like gave him the right to put his hands on a nother humab being.”—-Does this post look familiar to you? You are implying that Zimmerman cussing at Martin is was room for him to claim stand your ground. Remember based on your little scenario Martin did not cuss Zimmerman.
You need to stop talking. You make yourself look dumber by the post. Try using facts because again…You do not know them.
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@ Miguel
“trayvon should have just went home. remember crime went down 80% after trayvons removal from the scene.”–Provide the facts to back that up. Until then find a dark hole and crawl in it.
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Miguel,
You said, ” words do not justify any kind of violence in a civilized society, no matter what you call them . trayvon should have just went home. remember crime went down 80% after trayvons removal from the scene.”
First off, this is NOT a civilized society. It never has been and probably never will be. No civilized society would be so knee-deep in denial about its own pathologies from the past to the present.
Second, Trayvon was walking home back to the gated community given the information.
Third, Wow! If there was an Olympic event for the most racist ignorant comments given by one person, you would qualify.
You have made no effort whatsoever to back up anything you’ve said. We ask for prove, facts, links, anything to support your ridiculous comments, and you’ve done no such thing. The only information you’ve provided was “Good Morning America.” of all things.
It’s fair to say that you’re running past empty and are now in extreme desperation to protect your idol Zimmerman.
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yesterday has nothing to do with today. nobody is being oppressed or sprayed down with fire hoses get over it. I don’t give two shits about zimmerman , I can read a law that is written inbasic english most of the redneck republican dumbasses in florida can unerstan. no matter who attacked how or if racism was involved zimmerman is innocent.facts to back that up?? why don’t you have the sherrif of that county email you stats reguarding break ins for that county. post them here. me do your research?? prove me wrong I welcome you to attempt o elighten me. I don’t give two rat shits about zimmerman, so he’s latino?? that does not make him any moer special to me that a china man.cussing someone does not give them the right to put their hands on another person nor is it creating a confrontation in any circumstance.
the newspaper report martin was going home after leaving the store . how the fuck would they know what was in the mind of martin?? does not make sense.
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@ Miguel Miquel
When did I say someone was being oppressed? Again with your stupid rants about nothing.
“.facts to back that up?? why don’t you have the sherrif of that county email you stats reguarding break ins for that county. post them here.”—You are the dummy making the claim so I would expect you to have the class to support that claim, but apparently in the time it took you to get 7 phds you neglected to get common sense or any amount of class.
“prove me wrong I welcome you to attempt o enlighten me.”—Miguel “the fail” you have been proven wrong by not only me but just about everyone in this room. If you are looking for enlightenment seek God.
“, I can read a law that is written inbasic english most of the redneck republican dumbasses in florida can unerstan.”—Man you need to read this sentence and read it again. Either they understand the law or they don’t. I am going to take a guess and say you agree that they know the law and understand it. With that being said you are some what stable enough to realize they said that “ZIMMERMAN SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CLAIM STAND YOUR GROUND.” I did caps seeing as you are having a hard time reading what I said. Here is a link to an article where they stated such a statement.
1. http://www.guns.com/florida-stand-your-ground-authors-zimmerman-charged-shooting-trayvon-martin-6539.html
2. http://www.bradenton.com/2012/03/20/3950645/fla-lawmakers-say-stand-your-ground.html
3. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-_n_1371171.html
Take your pick I have more if you so need it.
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@ Miguel Miquel
You being Latino has nothing to do with this case. Heck you in general have nothing to do with this case, so why do you keep providing your background in place of hard facts. If I didn’t know any better I would say you are trying to make up for….lacking areas.
You are the only one making Zimmerman special. Granted Zimmerman seems to have a heap more sense than some of his supporters (you being the dumbest of the bunch).
“how the fuck would they know what was in the mind of martin?? does not make sense.”—What doesn’t make sense? A black teen going home? Pathetic. Just as you can make that statement I can easily say; Why was Zimmerman in that area when he lived on the other side of the gated community? No one knows what he was thinking either, but considering where he was I can take a guess.
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@ Sharina “Show me a post where I have personally drawn a conclusion based on weight or height.”
I didn’t say that you, specifically, referenced his weight. But since you’ve interjected yourself — Do you or do you not consider weight a factor?
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@ Michelle “does the weight factor make any difference as to whether GZ is guilty or not?”
Not to me. Team Trayvon was making that claim. Are you saying you no longer consider his weight a factor?
I am on to you! *wink wink*
Actually, you’re not “on to me” because I’m not miguel/circusboy.
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@ Linda Total BS…if you had known about the autopsy report, like the lying, blowhard you are, you would have posted it. You are the most dishonest person on this board.
I saw it on Wikipedia and was hoping some fool would take the bait and prove my point. And it looks like you were the one. Thanks. 🙂
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“@ Linda Total BS…if you had known about the autopsy report, like the lying, blowhard you are, you would have posted it. You are the most dishonest person on this board.
I saw it on Wikipedia and was hoping some fool would take the bait and prove my point. And it looks like you were the one. Thanks. ”
Linda says,
Duck, Good try but *wink wink* you FAIL!
The biggest fool and amusement on this board right now is you and the other phony ‘realist’
Ducking, bobbying, and weaving your way out with smarmy and sarcastic comments doesn’t stop you from looking like the a’s you are! *wink wink* 😉
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@Miguel Miquel
“the newspaper report martin was going home after leaving the store . how the fuck would they know what was in the mind of martin?? does not make sense.”
Page 26 “Capias request” by SPD for Manslaughter Charge
“..investigation reveals that Martin was in fact running generally in the direction of where he was staying as a guest in the neighborhood.”
@duckduckgoofs
Team Trayvon
*facepalm* . Honestly I’m not on a “team” but ok…..
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@ Linda
I’m going to type reeeeaaaaal slooooow so you can keep up. Abagond was using the same bs about Trayvon’s weight that most of you were using. I wanted to prove that at least some of you knew it was a lie but kept saying it anyway because you’re liars. And the way to do that was to get one of you to admit that Trayvon’s real weight wasn’t 140. So I referenced the police incident report that listed him at 160 hoping one of you would respond with the autopsy report lising him at 158. It’s only 2 lbs but I figured you’re that petty. And dumb. And you were. So you showed your azz and got owned. A lot of “wink”ing and smilies doesn’t change that.
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@duckduckgoof/miguelmiguel/circusboy
you are all the same! trying to detract from the facts and steer people away from the truth. Trying to make everyone feel as though their life experiences mean nothing and are not true. You focus on trivial things and you have no empathy for the fact that a person was placed in a position of defending his life and lost it. You are the reason that this type of thing happens. Get over yourselves and stop trying to demean this situation.
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DUCKDUCKGOOF/MIGUELMIGUEL/CIRCUSBOY
YOU ARE ALL THE SAME
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DUCKDUCKGOOF/MIGUELMIGUEL/CIRCUSBOY
YOU ARE ALL RACISTS
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DUCKDUCKGOOF/MIGUELMIGUEL/CIRCUSBOY
YOU CAN’T GET PAST YOUR OWN IGNORANCE TO SEE THAT WHAT YOU ARE TYPING IS INSULTING AND MEANINGLESS
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DUCKDUCKGOOF/MIGUELMIGUEL/CIRCUSBOY
YOU ARE TROLLS THAT BULLY AND PREY ON PEOPLE TO BREAK THEM DOWN
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DUCKDUCKGOOF/MIGUELMIGUEL/CIRCUSBOY
YOU HAVE NO CONCERN FOR OTHERS FEELINGS
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DUCKDUCKGOOF/MIGUELMIGUEL/CIRCUSBOY
YOU ARE BLIND TO RACISM AND OPPRESSION BECAUSE YOU ARE RACIST AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING ON HERE IS AN ATTEMPT AT OPPRESSION!
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@ duckduckgoofs,
It is funny that you can try and get into such moot points about Trayvon’s murder as his weight. It sounds like you really want to create dissidence instead of support the deliverance of justice to Zimmerman.
It is pretty scary that you represent the white man … especially in your interactions with POC.
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@ Linda
I’m going to type reeeeaaaaal slooooow so you can keep up. Abagond was using the same bs about Trayvon’s weight that most of you were using. I wanted to prove that at least some of you knew it was a lie but kept saying it anyway because you’re liars.”
Linda says,
You can type any speed you like, doesn’t change the fact that you are full of s’it and you are a liar. *wink wink* 🙂
Keep believing your own hype, Duck…ignorance is bliss just like your blatant denials.
You knew NOTHING until I educated your dumb a’s, You’re Welcome, yuma!
You don’t know me nor have we EVER spoke on this blog, so I was not the person you were waiting for–I’m on Team Linda, chica.
Your stupid disagreements with others amuses me because you like to bask in your ignorance…every now and then, the correct information needs to be introduced to keep balance…that’s something you fail to do, so I am here to correct you.
Keep squirming, maybe you can type your way to honesty about who is petty and dumb on this board, since you show your simplicity every time you post.
I like how you keep coming back to me, so that I can continue to own your dumb a’s and show you for the clown you are.
Play on, Duck.
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@ DuckDuckgoofs
If I am not mistaken you did say Team Trayvon, so it was appropriate for me to inject myself. Secondly no, I do not consider it a factor for a two reasons.
1. I have been known to state my child is bigger than they really are simply because she only really goes to the doctor for her check-ups and if she is sick (not every month or day). If she grows a bit in between I assume she is a certain height and weight but I am not certain.
2. Weight or height has nothing to do with who may or may not have started the fight. Either way if you are fighting someone then both parties should have bruising if it is indeed a life or death situation. A person can be bigger than me, even a different sex from me, but one thing is certain if they attack me then I am going to hit them back.
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@ DuckDuckgoofs
P.S. I thought Martin was 6’3″ 185 and Zimmerman was 5’9″ 200 lbs, but then again this is why I stay away from media reports because the height and weight of both parties keeps changing.
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“Sharina
@ DuckDuckgoofs
P.S. I thought Martin was 6’3″ 185 and Zimmerman was 5’9″ 200 lbs, but then again this is why I stay away from media reports because the height and weight of both parties keeps changing.”
Linda says,
Sharina, that’s why I posted the autopsy report.
I noticed that different numbers were flying around, so I wanted Everyone on the board to read the latest information for themselves.
But Duck, like a self-centered wuss, took it personally and decided to try to attack me.
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The only reason why i think weight is important in this case is because Zimmerman and his lawyer are clearly using it in his case for public perception. Look at how much he slimmed down relative to when he was arrested (look at that mug shot!) he was a bit of hulk himself and now he has skin and bones to his name. The difference being that when the jury thnks whether Zimmerman was defending himself or vice versa – his new size is going to look more plausible for his defense than his old size.
Which is amongst the many underhanded things we have seen from his camp.
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Miguel,
You muttered, “yesterday has nothing to do with today. nobody is being oppressed or sprayed down with fire hoses get over it. I don’t give two shits about zimmerman , I can read a law that is written inbasic english most of the redneck republican dumbasses in florida can unerstan. no matter who attacked how or if racism was involved zimmerman is innocent.facts to back that up?? why don’t you have the sherrif of that county email you stats reguarding break ins for that county. post them here. me do your research?? prove me wrong I welcome you to attempt o elighten me. I don’t give two rat shits about zimmerman, so he’s latino?? that does not make him any moer special to me that a china man.cussing someone does not give them the right to put their hands on another person nor is it creating a confrontation in any circumstance.
the newspaper report martin was going home after leaving the store . how the fuck would they know what was in the mind of martin?? does not make sense.”
Now, it’s getting sadder and sadder by the minute.
First, no one mentioned anything about oppression or fire hoses. Neither has anything to do with the topic. So, stop pulling stuff out of your rear and call it a legitimate response.
Second, for the millionth time, people like Sharina, deedee, and Linda have presented links and research to back up their arguments. The only thing you came up with is “Good Morning America.” They are doing what you are afraid or incapable of doing, provide facts and links.
Third, what does the stats regarding break-ins have to do with anything? Oh! I know. It’s just another pathetic attempt to justify Trayvon’s murder.
Fourth, again, the ladies I’ve mentioned have proven you wrong over and over again. It’s you that refuse to accept it because it paints your hero in a bad light. And instead of proving anything to back up your comments, you horribly argue against them with nothing in your corner. You fight back with poor spelling, a lousy sentence structure, inability to understand and read laws and racist ignorant beliefs.
Honestly, why we spend our time talking to you is nothing short of mind-boggling.
Fifth, you DO care about Zimmerman enough to spend weeks and weeks meagerly arguing in his defense providing nothing viable to convince anyone that he is the victim. Still, you go at it.
You’re just a train wreck waiting to happen. Plain and simple.
Sixth, how do you know what Martin was thinking let alone doing. You based his actions on your own racist beliefs about young black men. So, you are hardly any more credible than the newspaper.
It’s over Miguel. You’re just wasting your time. You’ve already established some major points:
1. You’re racist
2. You’re in severe denial of being racist.
3. You think black people worship a criminal thug culture.
4. You think Zimmerman is the real victim.
5. You think Martin deserved to die.
6. You know as much about America as you do how to write a sentence.
7. You know as much about American law as you do on how to spell it.
8. You’ve proven that racism can dumb-down someone’s mind.
Any questions or comments?
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@Brothawolf
Well said! I wish I could write and get my point across as good as you 🙂
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Thanks Michelle,
You’ve done very well too, but don’t let the likes of Duck and Miguel get to you because in the end, that’s what they want.
Contrary to what they say, they are not at all interested in an intellectual argument, nor are they capable of one. They are here just to have fun at our expense. They are examples of internet racist trolls.
Duck believes he knows more about racism, race and black people more than we do. This is a code saying, “I don’t care what you think. It’s all about what I think, and if you don’t agree or like it, you are stupid and need to shut up.”
Miguel believes he is not a racist and knows black people more than black people. He also believes he is highly educated (7 Ph.ds), been around the world, and dated black women. Still, he concludes that black people are thugs and loving it and if they get shot, they deserve it. He will explain it with poor sentence structure, extreme misspellings, and a racist mentality equivalent to an 8 year-old.
So you see, neither of them are to be taken seriously, and they only have themselves to blame.
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You muttered, “yesterday has nothing to do with today. nobody is being oppressed or sprayed down with fire hoses get over it. I don’t give two shits about zimmerman , I can read a law that is written inbasic english most of the redneck republican dumbasses in florida can unerstan. no matter who attacked how or if racism was involved zimmerman is innocent.facts to back that up?? why don’t you have the sherrif of that county email you stats reguarding break ins for that county. post them here. me do your research?? prove me wrong I welcome you to attempt o elighten me. I don’t give two rat shits about zimmerman, so he’s latino?? that does not make him any moer special to me that a china man.cussing someone does not give them the right to put their hands on another person nor is it creating a confrontation in any circumstance.
the newspaper report martin was going home after leaving the store . how the fuck would they know what was in the mind of martin?? does not make sense.”
Now, it’s getting sadder and sadder by the minute.
First, no one mentioned anything about oppression or fire hoses. Neither has anything to do with the topic. So, stop pulling stuff out of your rear and call it a legitimate response.
LIST ONE RESPONSE THAT IS NOT LEGITIMATE THEN SUBSTANTIATE WHY IT IS NOT.
Second, for the millionth time, people like Sharina, deedee, and Linda have presented links and research to back up their arguments. The only thing you came up with is “Good Morning America.” They are doing what you are afraid or incapable of doing, provide facts and links.
LINKS??? REALITY IS NOT BASED ON A INTERNET LINK. WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENEED HERE.
Third, what does the stats regarding break-ins have to do with anything? Oh! I know. It’s just another pathetic attempt to justify Trayvon’s murder.
IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHY ZIMMERMAN FOLLOWED SOMEONE THAT FIT THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT ROOFERS IN THE AREA CONFIRMED WERE YOU BLACK MALES BREAKING INTO HOMES IN THE AREA. ITS A REAL ATTEMPT AT DESCRIBING THE CLIMATE OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT. SELF DEFENSE IS NOT MURDER.
Fourth, again, the ladies I’ve mentioned have proven you wrong over and over again. It’s you that refuse to accept it because it paints your hero in a bad light. And instead of proving anything to back up your comments, you horribly argue against them with nothing in your corner. You fight back with poor spelling, a lousy sentence structure, inability to understand and read laws and racist ignorant beliefs.
RACIST?? TELL ONE THING i’VE SAID THAT I RACIST.
Honestly, why we spend our time talking to you is nothing short of mind-boggling.
Fifth, you DO care about Zimmerman enough to spend weeks and weeks meagerly arguing in his defense providing nothing viable to convince anyone that he is the victim. Still, you go at it.
You’re just a train wreck waiting to happen. Plain and simple.
Sixth, how do you know what Martin was thinking let alone doing. You based his actions on your own racist beliefs about young black men. So, you are hardly any more credible than the newspaper.
NOT RACIST BELIEFS BUT REALITY i’VE SEEN FROM MY OWN LIFE ON HOW BLACK PEOPLE OF ALL AGES ACT BECAUSE I WAS THERE WATCHING MY BLACK FRIENDS CONSTANTLY HAVING A HORRIBLE TIME IN LIFE.
It’s over Miguel. You’re just wasting your time. You’ve already established some major points:
1. You’re racist
2. You’re in severe denial of being racist.
BECAUSE i’M NOT
3. You think black people worship a criminal thug culture.
THEY DO IT’S CALLED HIP HOP CULTURE AND THE MAJORITY OF AMERICAN BLACK PEOPLE ARE IN IT. THE REST OF THE BLACK WORLD LAUGHS AT AMERICAN BLACKS.
4. You think Zimmerman is the real victim.
HE IS THE REAL VICTIM HERE HE WAS BREAKIGN NO LAWS AND WAS DEFENDING HIMSELF.
5. You think Martin deserved to die.
NO i DON’T BUT HE BROUGHT ONTO HIMSELF BY ATTACKING AN ARMED MAN.
6. You know as much about America as you do how to write a sentence.
i KNOW TEACHER AT MIT & STAMFORD WHO CAN BARELY SPEAK ENGLISH THAT TEACH PHD LEVEL CLASSES, OR USE PROPER GRAMMER. IDEAS ARE IMPORTANT NOT GRAMMAR. ENGLISH IS NOT FIRST LANGUAGE NOR ONLY ONE.
7. You know as much about American law as you do on how to spell it.
AMERICAN LAW?? MY STEP MOM WORKED IN A LAW OFFICE i HEARD MORE ABOUT LAW BY 15 THAT YOU WILL EVEN KNOW. LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JUSTICE IN THE MANNER YOU THINK IT DOES.
8. You’ve proven that racism can dumb-down someone’s mind.
Any questions or comments?
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yes i know black people just as well as other black people because in reality socially ,& genetically I”m a black man. my great grand uncle is a black hatuey indian in cuba. socially I’ve been told all my life I”m not white because I chose not to speak english whenever possible. so yes I know other black people just as well as other black people even almost married a black woman after being with her 6 years as a couple , then 4 more as friends with benefits. don’t talk about what you do not know about another person.
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You’re wrong about me michelle. I care. I do. There’s no one else quite like you. And just to prove it I’ll say it in a song.
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@brothawolf: Well said.
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Miguel,
Now, I’m starting to get to you as I see you’re typing in caps. Let’s break this down, shall we:
You screamed, “LIST ONE RESPONSE THAT IS NOT LEGITIMATE THEN SUBSTANTIATE WHY IT IS NOT.” Allow me to use your statements as perfect examples:
“yes most black people are dead wait seeing as the majority of them are on welfare or food stamps. to observe this is not racist just factual about a social group that just happens to be black.”
The majority of people on welfare are white Americans. This is an example of your racist micro-minded beliefs.
You further screamed, “LINKS??? REALITY IS NOT BASED ON A INTERNET LINK. WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENEED HERE.”
I agree. Reality is not based on links, but my comment was stating that, “People like Sharina, deedee, and Linda have presented links and research to back up their arguments. The only thing you came up with is “Good Morning America.” They are doing what you are afraid or incapable of doing, provide facts and links.
I also agree that we don’t know what really happened during the time of the shooting. So far, it’s safe to say that only two people truly knew, and one of them is dead. Nevertheless, people like Sharina, Linda and deedee are researching with what they can find from the internet. And they based their conclusions on that.
I’ve based my conclusions on the same kind of information I can find, the kind of information that doesn’t try to paint a dead 17-year old into a thug just to make the public, particularly the black community, not care about him the same way you’ve been doing for the longest. Are all this research objective? Not entirely. Still, I take it is part of a continuous sage of society’s obsession to devalue black lives.
You haven’t based your conclusions on anything since you went on your “Free George Zimmerman” campaign. You haven’t even used links to conservative websites that basically agree with you, not that that would help anyway. And you certainly haven’t copied and pasted any information outside of Wikipedia assuming you’ve used it.
Moving on, you said, “IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHY ZIMMERMAN FOLLOWED SOMEONE THAT FIT THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT ROOFERS IN THE AREA CONFIRMED WERE YOU BLACK MALES BREAKING INTO HOMES IN THE AREA. ITS A REAL ATTEMPT AT DESCRIBING THE CLIMATE OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT. SELF DEFENSE IS NOT MURDER.”
And where did you get the information about the roofers from? Anyway, it doesn’t matter. Trayvon did not deserve to die from that night even if most or all of the suspects in those break-ins were young black men. That doesn’t mean that ALL young black men are subject to suspicion – and execution.
Face it. Zimmerman is a wanne-be Bernie Goetz without his medication.
Then you said, “RACIST?? TELL ONE THING i’VE SAID THAT I RACIST.”
How about a bonus. I’ll give you five of your own racist statements:
1. yes most black people are dead wait seeing as the majority of them are on welfare or food stamps.
2. black americans all over do say to be educated is not black.
3. so yes honestly I can say with all honesty(not biased I love all people ) that black peole are very lazy uneducated & prone to crime.
4. THEY DO IT’S CALLED HIP HOP CULTURE AND THE MAJORITY OF AMERICAN BLACK PEOPLE ARE IN IT. THE REST OF THE BLACK WORLD LAUGHS AT AMERICAN BLACKS.
5. if your looking for a a racist scumbag then someone with a shaved head is probably the first person to look for. same thing if your looking for a crack dealer , a black male about 17-25 years of age. etc….
How’s that?
The rest of your capitalized responses are too weak to respond to at best. You’re just using the usual defenses you’ve been using for a while now:
You think Trayvon started a fight that led to his death.
You think your views on black people are based on reality.
You think Zimmerman is the real victim.
You think you’re an intellectual.
Miguel. you’ve lost, my friend. Your defense of Zimmerman is weak, fragile and based on your own prejudices. It’s obvious you’re recycling your statements over and over again. Now, try to weasel your way out of this one by repeating yourself once more. You know you want to, and I know you will.
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Thanks, Sam.
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Nice slicing and dicing , Brothawolf
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I don’t even know why people like Miguel bother coming to websites like this, it seems that they only come here to post drivel, not to read the article for content or participate/ engage in meaningful conversation. Sometimes I wonder if its worth responding to people like him whose only intent is to spread hate, spew generic stereotypes and share statistics that are obviously skewed. Thank you brothawolf, Leigha and others for trying to enlighten this individual but I don’t think its going to get through to him. Its really sad that there are people that think the way he does and whats even more sad is some of these people go on to reproduce and spread their ignorance to their children.
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shasha debunking myths & totall all out bullshit is meaningfull. however it’s not my fault some people have fixed thinking that people who think martin is all innocent don’t understand. read for content. sure I’m all in for it. however I don’t believe everything I read for fact .
I think ?? whatever you don’t know what I think or how many hours I spend every day reading all kinds of books or sitting in coffee houses having rational discussions about all kinds of thing including this . rational people believe zimmernam is innocent. this includes black people who know martin attacked zimmerman & got exactly what he deserved.
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ok…now I am bored
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Miguel: First of all my name is Sasha not Shasha, further evidence of your poor reading skills. Second of all, you are a sad individual. Even if I wanted to respond to you, your poor grammar and sentence structure reads as that of a 2nd or 3rd grader so to even acknowledge you would be silly because clearly you don’t have the mindset to express yourself like an adult. This is the last time I will address you.
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@ Miguel Miquel
“read for content. sure I’m all in for it. however I don’t believe everything I read for fact .”—This is where you need to stop talking. You have not been presented with opinions when we quoted laws to you and provided facts to you. You were given hardcore facts. When you were given these facts you made the choice to dismiss them and obviously you have been dismissing a lump sum of facts when you came up with your ridiculous conclusion, That is your problem and have been since day one. You are confusing facts and opinion. You believe opinion to be fact and fact to be opinion.
This is why I have said to you educate yourself on the case with facts and stop using opinion to run your case. No and because you failed to listen you are now making yourself look like a fool for all the world to see. You have no idea what is going on in this case, you are constantly contradicting yourself, and your theories are so far gone its just unbelievable.
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@Miguel
“I think ?? whatever you don’t know what I think or how many hours I spend every day reading all kinds of books or sitting in coffee houses having rational discussions about all kinds of thing including this . rational people believe zimmernam is innocent. this includes black people who know martin attacked zimmerman & got exactly what he deserved.”—-Rational LOL. If don’t care if the people that agree with you are black, white, Asian, etc. If they are dumb enough to believe you are rational then I am inclined to believe they are not. Even idiots drink coffee and open books, but not necessarily read them.
Again you do not even get why I personally think the way I think about you and it has little or nothing to do with your support for Zimmerman. It has to do with your ability to ignore facts and support Zimmerman. You ignore every fact and spread a range of lies about Martin to make your conclusion look better. Only an idiot would do such a thing and you are in the lower class of Zimmerman supports. I have said it once and I will say it again…..It is Zimmerman’s supporters that make him look bad.
Done reading those nice links of facts yet.
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@ Linda
Thank you very much for posting that report. I personally do not see the big deal people are making about the weight. It does not change that Martin was shot and killed.
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Concerning the “weight issue”, it matters to people who pictured Mr. Martin as a fit and muscular teenager who possibly overpowered and overwhelmed the “less” physically fit Mr. Zimmerman. Because it brings into question if Mr. Zimmerman would have been able to exhausts all means of escape before pulling the trigger and ending Mr. Martin’s life. Remember that Mr. Zimmerman and some witnesses (although the news reports four witnesses story changing after watching the news…O.o) mentions Mr. Martin pinning down and beating Mr. Zimmerman. Height and weight play a factor in that story, how big of a factor, not very big but still a factor to consider. It also falls into the misrepresentation of the two young men in the media and how people would perceive weight and the strength of the two young men based on the outdated photos which have fortunately been updated. That may be where some people had issues with the handling of the case but then again that is my assumption and their explanation will be much more worthwhile.
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@ Deedee
Thanks for that. That was an interesting take in regards to the weight and height issue.
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@ brothawolf
A standing ovation. That was well said.
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Miguel,
You said “shasha debunking myths & totall all out bullshit is meaningfull. however it’s not my fault some people have fixed thinking that people who think martin is all innocent don’t understand. read for content. sure I’m all in for it. however I don’t believe everything I read for fact .”
I believe the last sentence because you watch shows like “Good Morning America” get your information, my friend.
Plus, you said, ” whatever you don’t know what I think or how many hours I spend every day reading all kinds of books or sitting in coffee houses having rational discussions about all kinds of thing including this . rational people believe zimmernam is innocent. this includes black people who know martin attacked zimmerman & got exactly what he deserved.”
Oh, will you quit lying to us and yourself about how intelligent only you are and how the rest of us aren’t just because you supposedly read a lot of books, had intelligent conversations, and blah, blah, blah. That is a sign of a delusional narcissistic personality disorder.
And what would you know what counts as rationality and what doesn’t. All you’ve been doing is hiding behind that facade that it was rational that Zimmerman is innocent and Trayvon deserved to die that night. That is not rational or logical. That is, at worst, wishful thinking. Still, it is an opinion based on that kind of thinking and nothing more. It’s a shame. Even 5th graders can tell the difference.
Miguel, all you’ve done was become a horrible but perfect example of many of what abagond has written in regards to what white people think, say and do in regards to race and blacks.
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sash , I really don’t care if your name is spelled alopecia, propecia, or laquisha. you can be as ignorant as you want to be. sentence structure is not as important as content or so you would say if somebody was attacking your precious ebonics. you have such a double standard. if your theory was true einstein would have never have been listened to either. but of course you know what an idiot he sounds like at times when he spoke. your lack of education and ignorance seems to bring out an ugly side of you that pretends that since martin is your kind he must be innocen.t
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Miguel,
You said, “sash , I really don’t care if your name is spelled alopecia, propecia, or laquisha. you can be as ignorant as you want to be. sentence structure is not as important as content or so you would say if somebody was attacking your precious ebonics. you have such a double standard. if your theory was true einstein would have never have been listened to either. but of course you know what an idiot he sounds like at times when he spoke. your lack of education and ignorance seems to bring out an ugly side of you that pretends that since martin is your kind he must be innocen.t”
In the first place Sasha has way more common sense, intelligence, and maturity than you.
Second, She wasn’t even using ebonics, and she was correct. Your spelling and sentence structure is atrocious.
Third, You did it again. Your racist side showed up in the last sentence. You assume that she lacks education and is full of ignorance just because she has the nerve to call you out on your BS. Furthermore, you assume that just because Martin was black that’s the only reason she has to defend him.
But here you are defending Zimmerman because he’s of the same group as you. You know it and I know it. So, don’t be so quick to call others a hypocrite.
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@ Miguel Miquel
Again here you are making race an issue in this case. How is the skin color of Sasha a factor in whether Martin is innocent or not? Heck last time I check Martin was not on trial?
“sentence structure is not as important as content”–I can agree but you have not provided a substantial amount of content that is worth reading and remotely taking seriously. You have written dribble. Nothing you say makes sense and you are dumb enough to contradict yourself in one whole paragraph.
“or so you would say if somebody was attacking your precious ebonics.”—At what point was Sasha speaking ebonics? The fact that you could not spell her name tells me you need to be on some type of Ebonics.
“your lack of education and ignorance seems to bring out an ugly side of you”—LOL. Remember when I said you contradict yourself. Anyway she seemed to be quite eloquent in dissing you. Does it make you angry that she proved to be more intelligent than you? Does it make you angry that you are constantly being proven wrong about black stereotypes in this room?
I can’t wait for Sasha to respond and rip you a new one. How did that saying go about attacking the people you perceive to be the weakest link?
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Sharina,
Right on, sista.
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“however I don’t believe everything I read for fact .”
I think this was clear to all of us when we read your opinion of the Stand Your Ground Law.
“rational people believe zimmernam is innocent.”
Your opinion of what is “rational” is irrational.
Since you love to read…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationality
“In philosophy, rationality is the exercise of reason.[citation needed] It is the manner in which people derive conclusions when considering things deliberately. It refers to the conformity of one’s beliefs with one’s reasons to believe, or with one’s actions with one’s reasons for action. However, the term “rationality” tends to be used differently in different disciplines, including specialized discussions of economics, sociology, psychology and political science. A rational decision is one that is not just reasoned, but is also optimal for achieving a goal or solving a problem.
Determining optimality for rational behavior requires a quantifiable formulation of the problem, and the making of several key assumptions. When the goal or problem involves making a decision, rationality factors in how much information is available (e.g. complete or incomplete knowledge). Collectively, the formulation and background assumptions are the model within which rationality applies. Illustrating the relativity of rationality: if one accepts a model in which benefiting oneself is optimal, then rationality is equated with behavior that is self-interested to the point of being selfish; whereas if one accepts a model in which benefiting the group is optimal, then purely selfish behavior is deemed irrational. It is thus meaningless to assert rationality without also specifying the background model assumptions describing how the problem is framed and formulated.”
and…
Rational Thinking as a Series of Steps http://www.ascd.org/publications/books/101017/chapters/Rational-Thinking-as-a-Process.aspx
“Much of what we do in everyday life involves a process—a series of actionable, repeatable steps that can be performed to accomplish a desired goal. For example, we have a process for baking a cake, writing an expository essay, and changing a tire. A process is a meaningful, repeatable series of steps that produces an outcome. Every process requires inputs to produce some output.
Let’s consider that we are making barbecued ribs. To make delicious barbecued ribs (output), we need fresh meat, a tasty sauce, and other ingredients (inputs). We also need to ensure that the grilling (process) is good. We can have the best-tasting sauce in the world, but if we let the ribs burn, we’re not going to have tasty ribs.
Let’s now look at the rational-thinking process. In arriving at a conclusion, we must take a series of inputs and do something to them (a process).
The same logic that applies to the ribs applies to the rational-thinking process. A sound conclusion (output) requires high-quality inputs (e.g., accurate information and access to the right people) and a high-quality thinking process. Focusing on the inputs is not enough to ensure success; we need to give equal attention to the process or what we do with the inputs—how we collect, organize, and analyze them.
Let’s look at a specific situation where rational thinking applies. A group of student-athletes has been asked to recommend a districtwide substance abuse policy for all student athletes. The output for this situation would be the substance abuse policy. What would the inputs be? They might be statistics on substance abuse by student athletes or opinions from students, coaches, administrators, parents, and board members on what should be done. Maybe the inputs would include examples from other districts’ substance abuse policies. As with most complex situations, some ideas and opinions might conflict. How do the students get from juggling all these inputs to developing a sound student-athlete substance abuse policy?
The process of rational thinking is needed. But where did we learn to think rationally? Most people can’t cite a specific way they learned. Typically, they learn through osmosis or experience. If you ask most people what steps they go through while thinking, they are unable to articulate them. Consequently, they are unable to critique their own thinking process—and unable to teach others. Myers (1986) uses an analogy to show this difficulty:
When we see a juggler effortlessly tossing oranges in the air, we fail to appreciate the first stumbling efforts and the hours of practice that laid the groundwork for that proficiency. The same holds true for expert critical thinkers. All experts started as novices—struggling with basic concepts, questions, and issues—as they developed the thought processes that would help them make sense of things. The problem is that by the time they have achieved their expertise, many of those thought processes have become so automatic, internalized, and implicit that the experts have difficulty explaining explicitly how they think. (p. 16)”
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eloquence does not include dissing on someone. nor did I bring up skin color. again your racebaiting fails.
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deedee
Your comment explains motive for those lying.
So who claimed Trayvon only weighed 140 pounds?
And who claimed Zimmerman weighed 240 and even 250 pounds?
And were not both claims proven false by the arrest and autopsy reports?
So who was it that was lying? And why were they lying if not because they’re racist?
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@ Miguel Miquel
Again your stupidity shines. Who actually was race-baiting? No one baited you into talking about race because you did that all on your own. Here a nice definition of race-baiting for you : the making of verbal attacks against members of a racial group. Link to support the facts http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race-baiting.
Miguel quote [black’s still are uneducated not because of the system but because of the attitude of hip hop culture and black mentality that to be educated is not black.] Now who is race-baiting idiot. Care to run away to your stupid corner again.
Now I will be more than happy to also provide lings to where you are constantly bringing race into the equation regarding Martin and Zimmerman. You have gone off topic to mention race in this case.
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@ Miguel
“nor did I bring up skin color.”—Actually you did bring up race. LOL. Man is that not proof enough you are dumb. DId you not quote this statement…Miguel quote [your lack of education and ignorance seems to bring out an ugly side of you that pretends that since martin is your kind he must be innocen.t]. Is your level of ignorance on such an state of emergency that you do not even realize you are talking about race here. She is black….Martin is black….You tried to make a diss on her and you got dissed.
Also because you do not seem to know the definition of eloquence I will provide that with links.
Eloquence: : discourse marked by force and persuasiveness; also : the art or power of using such discourse 2 : the quality of forceful or persuasive expressiveness. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eloquence
Eloquent: 1: marked by forceful and fluent expression
2: vividly or movingly expressive or revealing . http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eloquent?show=0&t=1338349889
I am going to take a wild guess here but I am going to say those 4000 dictionaries must be collecting dust.
Again Sasha was very eloquent in her dissing you.
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Miguel, you said “eloquence does not include dissing on someone. nor did I bring up skin color. again your racebaiting fails.”
1. You’re one to talk. You’ve made it a habit to do so in your nonsensical responses.
2. You’ve made it about skin color since day one. Not only that, you’ve associated skin color with innocence to a large extent.
You can not truly be this obtuse.
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@ brothawolf:
Oh, believe me. He truly is. 😉
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nop e I’ve not dissed on anybody nor used ad homny,m attacks. I’ve seen martin suporters constantly bring up color & race when mentioning these issues and ad homnym attacks on those that are not brain dead followers of the church of thuggery where a criminal is not a criminal.
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@ miguel miquel
Sharina=Martin Supporter
Now that we have that understood. Where have I mention race in regards to this case. I am still waiting on you to point to a quote where I have factored in the race of Zimmerman or Martin as the reason for my conclusion. Name just one.
“nop e I’ve not dissed on anybody nor used ad homny,m attacks.”—Really Miguel are you seriously going to contradict yourself yet again. [your lack of education and ignorance seems to bring out an ugly side of you that pretends that since martin is your kind he must be innocen.t} I guess that statement does not ring a bell to you. [believe what you want to believe because you live in your own tiny narrow minded world based on a media lie.] how about this one?
“I’ve seen martin suporters constantly bring up color & race when mentioning these issues and ad homnym attacks on those that are not brain dead followers of the church of thuggery where a criminal is not a criminal.”—I will make it easy on you. Find one supporter on this blog that has mention race regarding Zimmerman or Martin. Still waiting on those facts that say Martin was a criminal.
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@ miguel miquel
You have not provided facts in this case only rants. I will admit you rarely use ad hominem but you use it none the less. When you don’t have an answer to provide on the thread or you can not provide facts but you still want to comment then you attempt to use ad hominem. Does not work out because you always look like the fool.
All you have to do is provide one fact to support something you say. That is it. You say Martin is a criminal, then provide facts to that. Police report, proof he had burglary tools on him that night. etc. Stop making it up as you go. You are pretty much running on blind loyalty and no way of supporting your information.
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Miguel said:
That reminds of something Robert Lindsay said last week on his blog:
Which gets to an extremely serious point: what blacks see as acts of injustice whites do not because they:
1. Assume that American society is more or less just.
2. Assume that anything a black person says in defence of another black person is done out of blind race loyalty and therefore holds little weight.
Thus issues like police brutality and racial profiling are seen in a completely different light – and therefore remain in place.
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Mgiuel,
Give it up. Now you’re sounding like a desperate whiner.
You said “nop e I’ve not dissed on anybody nor used ad homny,m attacks. I’ve seen martin suporters constantly bring up color & race when mentioning these issues and ad homnym attacks on those that are not brain dead followers of the church of thuggery where a criminal is not a criminal.”
You HAVE used an ad hominem against Sasha when you said “your lack of education and ignorance seems to bring out an ugly side of you that pretends that since martin is your kind he must be innocen.t”
And as always, your racist mentality shows up again in this comment starting with denial and ending with an another ad hominem attack against those who strongly and reasonably disagreed with you.
Do you even know know what ad hominem is. Considering how you don’t know that half of what you’ve said is racist, I doubt it very much.
Sharina is correct. You have not provided any facts to any of your comments. All they are are just racist, ignorant rants with no foundation in the case let alone reality itself.
We’ve politely requested for facts. You ignored and continue to vent as if no one has made any comment towards you at all. We’ve asked you important and educated questions. You ignored them and, as usual, continue to vent as if no one has made any comment towards you at all. And when you do respond, lo and behold, you repeat, restate, reiterate your usual rantings.
And now, you’re running out of steam because you can’t come up with anything new. You’re way too incapable of doing so.
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@ Duck:
I corrected the post:
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ok I got my but kicked again in reading the responses to my comments. All of what you all said makes sense and it is very hard to argue. So I was thinking long and hard to respond.
The only way I can come back at yous(yous is from philly, you all sounds non tough to me) who responded to my comments, is to say you are MOSTLY on point.
But I was not the one who originally strayed from the topic………that’s pretty much all i’ve got.
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I will say this. The fact is that it is human nature to profile. White people are not the only ones guilty of it. But the fact that Zimmerman had a previous anger issue………..WITH A POLICE OFFICER, tells me he should have not had a gun. Let alone a license to carry. Could it be his father’s connections, and not his race that is the main issue? I understand his dad is a retired judge? If he was half black and not half Latino this still could have played out the same way. But since he has no or little African blood everybody jumps on the “See, look at these white racists” bandwagon.
I know there are racist whites that have not looked at this case objectively. Some of which are now banned(rightfully so)from this blog.
But if you really want whites to look at this objectively then do the same.
I know, the ball should be in our court given the history. But come on a snake is a snake no matter what color it is.
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This is completely from memory, but wasn’t there a Korean shop owner in south central L.A. that shot and killed an innocent customer because of racial profiling, and taking it out on the next black kid that fit the part of whatever the owner was mad at ? Now given the history passed down , which includes some profiling of it’s own. If that shop keep was white wouldn’t it have taken on a different life?
Think about it and be fair.
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Ok this time I did cut and paste just to make it easier. People have unjustly accused me of this in the past on the written word. I have copied and pasted videos from youtube…………….this is the second time I cut and paste the written word the first time was after the death of MCA from the Beastie Boys.
Murder of Latasha Harlins – March 16, 1991
Latasha Harlins was a 15-year old Black young woman. She entered a liquor store on Figueroa on March 16, 1991 to buy some orange juice. She picked up the juice and put it in her backpack. She took out the money to pay for it and approached the counter. The woman running the store was Soon Ja Du, the sister of the Korean Store owner. She accused the girl of stealing, and attempted to take the backpack. Latasha hit Du in response to this. As Latasha turned around, Du picked up a gun behind the counter and shot her in the back of the head. At the same time that the King video was still being shown, a video of the murder was shown on TV. Black residents in South Central were very angry, but the story did not get very much coverage outside of LA. Ice Cube wrote a song called “Black Korea,” about this murder. Du was charged with murder.
Verdict for Du – October 1991
All of South Central was enraged when the verdict came back for Du. Instead of being incarcerated, Du was given probation and forced to pay a $500 fine. She did not serve any jail time for the murder of Latasha Harlins. This put a deep strain on the relationship between Koreans and Blacks.
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@Dave
In my opinion….I think the blatant neglect of the Police and their dismissive response to an eye witness account that depicted Zimmerman as the aggressor led to a lack of justice and was what raised questions and accusations of racism….not just that Zimmerman was White or Hispanic.
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@Michelle you are right there. My thing is the big picture. Look up the taco bell self defense case against a half latino, half white, mentally challenged guy walking his dog. The accused(young black man,22 years old or so)claimed self defense and his name was not even given to the media. Now the family doesn’t claim racism by the police but incompetence and error. In my opinion that is a case around the same time that could have been high profile if the races were reversed.
Yes there are racist judges, DAs, police, defense attorneys, jurors etc. and I get this goes beyond one case vs. another recent one. There have been countless black men on death row even who have been innocent, and as much as you WANT to pull those injustices into this case to fortify your argument……….it is still wrong to do. Just as it is wrong for white people to bring other cases (as I did with the taco bell murder) into this one.
Some people might then argue what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
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My point of this video is not to say that black people are bad to justify anything, but rather that the laws on self defense need to be re-written so the cops can do their job easier and not try to diagnose such a law. regardless of race. Then you could without the shadow of a doubt find out if the cops were racist or in error.
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Dave,
Once again, I was almost with you until this video.
We all know there are cases similar to that of Zimmerman. We all know there are cases where black men shoot unarmed non-blacks.
What YOU need to know, if you want to, is that Zimmerman’s actions and the subsequent actions that proceeded his actions including the time it took for the police to finally arrest and charge him is a reminder that institutional racism by and large is against the lives of black people. The numerous black men who are on death row like you said is an audacious reality of how heavily racist this nation’s justice system is.
You said that it’s wrong for white people to bring up cases such as the one reported in the video you uploaded. So, why did you do it? Are you really trying to illustrate that self-defense laws need to be re-written?
Even if the laws are changed, injustice against PoC will continue and the system will continue to look the other way. Why? Because in the end black lives don’t matter.
We are already reminded of black crime everyday through the news. Do you not think we are aware of that? Not all of us are going to defend the thug responsible for the murder of the hispanic male. (I know I won’t.) Still, news reports like this not only help strengthen the stereotype of the violent black male as it has been for a few decades, but it quietly suggests that most black men are like this. It is part of the reason why Martin and other black men are killed without so much as a tear from the mainstream society.
What you won’t hear is what led up to the shooting from a socioeconomic or even a historical view. Thus, the belief that black people kill for no reason carries on.
And what you certainly won’t hear often are black men who do not kill, rob, or rape. You won’t hear about black males who raise their children, teach and mentor other children, have good jobs and nice families, etc. Why is that? Is it because that’s not common in the black community? Well, if you consider the news as a reliable source of information, then yes.
I’m sorry Dave, but I think you still don’t understand.
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@Dave
I am not sure what you are saying….I don’t understand why you are bringing up other cases and their outcomes. Are you saying that Trayvon Martins parents shouldn’t seek justice by reaching out to americans for support through media? I feel it would be wrong for anyone to bring up cases to try and deflect from this case. In my opinion it is like saying “You shouldn’t want justice for Trayvon because these other cases weren’t given justice”. People come on here acting as though Trayvon “deserved” to die and bring up black on white crime links to justify that attempt at reasoning…so yes in my opinion it is insensitive to mention those cases. Think of it like this.. someone you cared about was killed by a (insert race) person and someone from that race came to you and said with links of (insert race) crime on (insert race) crime….would that make you upset and feel like they were trying to demean that person’s death? would it sound insensitive to you? I feel that just because some people don’t claim racism does not mean that others shouldn’t…especially if that is what is happening. Some people have a hard time understanding what is racist or insensitive (which can also be racist) because they are not on the receiving end. You cannot tell a person they are wrong for having hurt feelings or different views than you…if you do, then those hurt feelings turn to anger.
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@duckduckgoofs
I’m sure it doesn’t matter to you anymore now but I will still provide my input. I honestly don’t know who made the claims. I actually never really thought about weight until all of the evidence was released by Ms. Corey. I will say that I don’t feel that the dishonesty had to do with racism. I feel it was more like a “rally cry” to get more support. If that was the case then it is despicable because to me lying is a very horrid thing.
On another note, something that was an interesting discussion in my old writing for media course was when it was appropriate to mention race when reporting on crimes. Some felt (me included) that it is good to do if the suspect is at large because it is a descriptor but that it should only be used to help find the criminal. We also had a discussion on misrepresentation by using certain photos. A man accused of robbing a couple had a photo in the paper of him looking “thuggish” and we did feel that the newspaper was trying to paint the young man a certain way. The article was very unbalanced with literally pages for the couple telling their side but a paragraph that just mentioned the outcome of the case for the accused young man. He went to prison even though it was based solely on the couple’s testimony (where they didn’t even see the robbers face but they just “knew” he had to be the guy).
Media representation can really influence a case. I would be surprised if an impartial jury can be found if this goes to trial. No one is without bias.
@Miguel…
The documents may help you with defending Mr. Zimmerman. It would be better to argue with the most recent evidence. The “Laboratory Report” parts may be of interest to you. The results for the blood found on Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. Martin were interesting and I would really enjoy a discussion on it because I have many questions about the results.
@dave
It may have been better to just mention that the “Stand Your Ground” law needs to be reexamined rather than bringing up other cases because it is not very clear what was your intent from just mentioning the other cases. It can be better at times to state your idea and then back it up later if need be.
@Michelle
Great response to dave.
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@ Dave
I am just going to say this and leave it be. Find one comment I made that stated anything about this being based on race. Please don’t generalize.
For those that you feel are jumping on the “white racist” bandwagon, then you really need to look at why. Not because of Zimmerman’s skin color but because of the whites that handled the case and pretty much dismissed it. Yes you had one that did not feel the story added up but he was basically shut down by someone over his head.
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@deedee7789
Thank You 🙂
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Michelle,
Thank you. You said it much better than I could.
Please note that this is how Dave acts and reacts to posts like this.
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To Brothawolf:
What YOU need to know, if you want to, is that Zimmerman’s actions and the subsequent actions that proceeded his actions including the time it took for the police to finally arrest and charge him is a reminder that institutional racism by and large is against the lives of black people.
Did you realize when you responded to Dave that the case he cited is an example of a Black man killing an unarmed Hispanic man and claiming self defense and that he has not been charged..? Almost two months has passed since the shooting. Was the shooter (I will not describe as a thug or a murderer since this has not been proven..) justified..? On the surface it sounds like no… but there has been no media uproar nor widespread calls for justice and the shooter (not identified except that he is Black…) has not been charged.
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To Michelle:
I am not sure what you are saying….I don’t understand why you are bringing up other cases and their outcomes.
Repeatedly, in the media and quite frequently on Abagond’s website there have been claims that if the inverse had happened, eg if Trayvon Martin (or any Black man…) had shot and killed George ZImmerman and claimed self defense then he would have been immediately arrested. Dave is just presenting an example, barely discussed in the media, where a Black man shot a Latino, claimed self-defense, and has not been charged.
See the video in my post above.
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Ok lets be fair and say the system is messed up. What I personally find annoying is people who still believe the system is fair. It is not and I think connections have a big pull in how most cases go.
Do I think the black guy should be charged in the case mentioned above? Yes, but I also must say I do not know the whole case. The fact that it was mentioned that he has the mental capacity of a 12 year old is not really a plus factor because twelve year olds can be very knowledgeable and very dangerous. The bottom line is he was killed unjustly and again I can not fully speak on this case because I do not know it well enough to give an certainty of an opinion.
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Milton,
The reason why there was a media uproar with the Martin/Zimmerman case is because the black community made it into an issue the media needed to address. They basically pressured the media into reporting this case in the mainstream.
In the case of the justice system itself Zimmerman’s case AND the case that you and Dave are presenting should give you clear examples of how broken the system is. But it seems like the two of you are more interested in the fact that people, in this blog especially, are unreasonably more focused on the former than the latter.
Like Sharina, I don’t know enough about the Taco Bell shooting to make judgments. I will say this: It is wrong to imply that we should be more focused and more concerned with other cases as opposed to certain ones according to you. It’s almost like saying we don’t have the right to talk about certain issues, but you think you know what we should talk about, and that is just wrong.
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To Sharina:
The bottom line is he was killed unjustly and again I can not fully speak on this case because I do not know it well enough to give an certainty of an opinion.
That’s my feeling.. superficially it sounds as if the shooter believed he was being attacked by man with a lead pipe but in reality the victim just had a dog leash. Therein lies the problem with average citizens legally carrying weapons. (Or even some cops…) You have to keep a very cool head if you are going to carry a gun.
While doing some research on the Marissa Alexander case I found some stunning examples of “Stand your ground” defenses. I’ll see if I can find the likes.
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@uncle milton if you do not know enough to say with certainty then you cannot say anything much less that martin was killed unjustly. martin was attempting to kill an armed man.
the la liquor store killing had nothing to do with racial profiling it had to do with theft and misunderstanding. I’m getting tired of people pulling the race card(as here where political pressure caused an innocent man to be arrested and money to be wasted on a trial). same with the claims that if the roles were reversed the black man would be in jail instantly. the taco bell shooting proves otherwise.
I”ve not ad homnym attacked anyone . however calling a retard a retard is not ad homnym. it is far time for american blacks to think they are being picked on when in fact they are being given a pass on things othe races don’t get a pass on .
reverse racism is far worse than simple racism.
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@ Miguel Miquel
You need to stop jumping into a conversation when you have no idea what we are even talking about.
“I”ve not ad homnym attacked anyone . however calling a retard a retard is not ad homnym.”—Ok so based on this statement it is completely ok for us to call you out on your stupidity and retardation. We weren’t using ad hominem attacks. We were simply stating facts. Facts that you prove each post.
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@everyone…
After this comment I am officially done replying to inconsiderate people that continue to ignore the fact that it is wrong to come on this particular post and try to derail and demean this tragedy. I am not opposed to learning about other cases…but this is not the place. If you have any respect for people you will post them in Open Thread.
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@ Michelle
I understand where you are coming from. Some I feel like people are saying this case is less important than others. None of them are less important because they all play an importance. It shows how much our justice system sucks period.
In this case the fact still remains that Martin was gunned down unjustly. I am so sick of people feeling like a gun in the answer to all issues. It is not and it should not ever be. These dumb laws are making it were people are not taking responsibility for there actions anymore. If you take a persons life then you can not just simply give it back. If Zimmerman had been trained properly then I doubt this situation would have happened. Martin may have been wounded but not dead.
As a gun owner I pride myself of safety and proper training. There is just too much at stake.
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“reverse racism is far worse than simple racism.”—Here it is ladies in gentlemen. The most stupid comment of tonight. Courtesy of our neighborhood clown Miguel.
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To Brothawolf:
In the case of the justice system itself Zimmerman’s case AND the case that you and Dave are presenting should give you clear examples of how broken the system is. But it seems like the two of you are more interested in the fact that people, in this blog especially, are unreasonably more focused on the former than the latter.
I am not sure what you mean by being more focused on the former than the latter. If you go back to the original posts about the case I raised the deep flaws of the Stand your ground law. I stated under California law that I though that Zimmerman would have been charged with Voluntary Manslaughter.
From your initial responses I thought you and Michelle did not really initially understand the shooting in Tucson. Michelle had classified it as a Black on White crime (no..not to the police..) and you had described the shooter as a thug. (Given that the shooter had permit to legally carry a gun.. he probably was not a thug..)
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Miguel,
You said…You know what? It no longer matters what you say because all you’ve said was the usual things white people have said in response to subjects where race and racism are both center stage. And if you truly believe that reverse racism is worst than simple racism, you are way more ignorant than I thought.
You are not intelligent enough to even have a conversation about bubblegum and clam shells. Rush Limbaugh sounds more intelligent than you right now, and you’re much less likable than he is.
In short you are once, twice, three times a moron.
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Court revokes bail for George Zimmerman
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18304581
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@ v8driver
Thank you very much for sharing that information. I will read it as soon as I get settled.
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So he insisted that he was financially broke when he had 135,000$$ in his bank account; just like he insisted that he had to kill trayvon or he would be killed when he tracked him down and forced a confrontation.
George Zimmerman has a pattern of belligerence and pattern of obstruction of justice/lying, not to mention a willingness to cozy up with the Sanford PD. I would be very hard pressed to say GZ doesn’t deserve a life time in jail as bubba’s byotch! Hate this coward.
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@ JT
I have not read the article yet but based on the title I can tell he lied about something. It shocks me how this man will lie about the littlest things.
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@ Sharina
“”Prosecutors had asked Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. to revoke Zimmerman’s bond because they contend that he was disingenuous at an earlier bond hearing when Zimmerman’s family and attorney claimed that he was cash broke. The motion filed by prosecutors claims that Zimmerman “misrepresented, mislead [sic] and deceived the court.”
During a bond hearing on April 20, Lester set Zimmerman’s bond at $150,000, and days later Zimmerman walked free. It was later revealed that Zimmerman had received upward of $200,000 from supporters, a sum that he did not reveal to the judge or to his own attorneys.””
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/george-zimmermans-bond-re_n_1563304.html?ref=canada&ir=Canada
What i find really sad about this story is that the trip up was how he lied about his financial status. AS IF that is the worst thing he’s done here.
RIP Trayvon Martin.
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@ JT
Thank you for that. It is sad the amount of money he got from supporters. I orginally thought he only lied about the fighting but the more I research the more I realize this man may have been lying about much more in the case of Martin. He seriously is starting to come off as someone who lies about any and everything. Yet his supporters are eating it up, even when he flat out lies.
I recently pointed out one of those lies to Miguel and he completely dismissed it. I don’t know who is sadder…Zimmerman or his supporters.
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@ Sharina,
To deny the reality of the situation allows them to maintain the same framework of looking at things and assimilate all information into those same schemas. It is a true disappointment that they aren’t willing to accommodate that this man is a racist vigilante that delivered injustice and took an innocent life.
Zimmerman is what they are and thus for them it is like looking in the mirror. Why else would they donate 200 000$$ to someone who killed a black teen.
Honestly, sometimes this world baffles me.
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If you watch the courtroom hearing, the judge is Very pissed. It’s unfortunate for Zimmerman that he got caught lying so early in this case. This is the same judge that has the authority to dismiss this case before it goes to trial.
His wife (and/or GZ himself) can be held in contempt of court/perjury for stating she (and he) did not know about the money. The day before the bond hearing, the wife and Zimmerman were recorded by the jail discussing the money (how much to move) in code.
Since this is a ‘he say/she say’ case with only one living witness to the entire event, Zimmerman’s credibility may have just taken a hit in the eyes of the judge.
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why else?? because he is innocent . lies /??/how much money the man has in the bank has nothing to do with trayvon sitting on his chest pounding his head into the cement. nothing else matters. the man is innocent.
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iti is awesome that people support him guilty or not.
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“Miguel Miquel
why else?? because he is innocent . lies /??/how much money the man has in the bank has nothing to do with trayvon sitting on his chest pounding his head into the cement. nothing else matters. the man is innocent.”
LInda says,
Miguel, I love how you don’t let little things like Facts get in your way of posting your mystical opinions. It’s awesome how you continue to make comments as if you and Zimmerman are best friends and you were there when the fight started. Since no one saw Trayvon ‘pounding Georges head in the cement’, your opinions of the event have NO truth in them or relevance
nor do they have any place in this discussion, which are based on newspaper reports, since none of us were there to witness this event.
Now, on to reality and FACTS.
The reaity is, your opinions or support, Miguel, doesn’t change the fact that Zimmerman already stated he is guilty of pulling the trigger and taking another persons life.
He is not on trial to prove if he is innocent or guilty of killing Trayvon (he already admitted he did it), he is on trial to prove it was a justifiable homicide under the laws of the state of Florida.
Since Zimmerman is the only person left alive and his version of events cannot be disputed by Trayvon (who is dead in case you forgot), Zimmerman NEEDS this judge to believe his story.
I agree, the money shouldn’t have been a big deal but unfortunately, Zimmerman turned something simple into a big problem for himself because, he and his wife, were not honest when the judge asked them about their finances when they were under oath during the bond hearing.
Based on comments by the judge, I believe the judge Cares very much about the fact that Zimmerman lied about the money in the bank.
The judge just determined that Zimmerman LIED while he was under oath, that’s why he revoked his bond and wants Zimmerman back in jail in 48 hours. Zimmerman was dishonest to the one person on this earth (the judge) that can make or break his future.
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Miguel,
You said, “ti is awesome that people support him guilty or not.”
You know what’s equally amazing? The fact that you are intensely obsessed…err focused on the belief that Trayvon started the struggle that ultimately resulted in his death.
Let’s just end this. What you think and what you say are OPINIONS. You have nothing to back it up. Absolutely nothing. It is your opinion that Trayvon started any fight and that Zimmerman is innocent.
Here’s the bottom line, when you grow up and respect our comments supported by reports, data and other means, maybe then we will respect your (ha ha!) opinion.
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@ bro
You’re right that it’s Miguel’s opinion that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman just as its your opinions that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon. Either one could have happened. But the physical evidence and witness testimony does support Zimmerman’s claim of self defense. It doesn’t PROVE it but it supports it. And you should be smart enough to know that a reasonable doubt equals a not guilty verdict.
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@ bro
I’ll even go one further. Not only does a reasonable doubt equal a non guilty verdict but insufficient evidence to support a murder or manslaughter charge means that Zimmerman should have never been arrested. A dead body by itself isn’t enough to support a murder or manslaughter charge.
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Duck,
You said, “You’re right that it’s Miguel’s opinion that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman just as its your opinions that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon. Either one could have happened. But the physical evidence and witness testimony does support Zimmerman’s claim of self defense. It doesn’t PROVE it but it supports it.”
And there is physical evidence and witness testimony that support otherwise.
Continuing from there, you said “I’ll even go one further. Not only does a reasonable doubt equal a non guilty verdict but insufficient evidence to support a murder or manslaughter charge means that Zimmerman should have never been arrested. A dead body by itself isn’t enough to support a murder or manslaughter charge.”
If there is insufficient evidence, that is.
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@ DuckDuckgoofs
“But the physical evidence and witness testimony does support Zimmerman’s claim of self defense.”—The evidence and witness testimony only support a physical altercation. It does not support who started it, thus does not fully support Zimmerman’s claim.
“Not only does a reasonable doubt equal a non guilty verdict but insufficient evidence to support a murder or manslaughter charge means that Zimmerman should have never been arrested.”—That is not what reasonable doubt means but ok. He still should have been charged and put through the justice system like anyone else. He killed someone and admittedly so. He should have been arrested, given a bond hearing, and let the jury determine it. The fact that you state he should not have been arrested tells me you are starting to subscribe to Miguel magazine.
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When I read these comments…I honestly cannot wrap my head around the “reasoning” that GZ is not at fault for chasing after and instigating, regardless of who attacked who first.
When I heard the 911 tape of GZ continuing to chase TM down after he was told not to…I immediately thought that he had a choice to avoid the a confrontation…but he chose to pursue…he also had the choice of shooting TM in the leg or arm or somewhere less fatal…but he chose to shoot him in the chest…which is what law enforcement is trained to do to make a kill shot. Then I found out that Zimmerman was in the process of trying to become law enforcement…did he already have that training? If not…it is still common knowledge of what areas shot would kill someone…Then there was a witness that asked if he needed help and said he was calling 911 and within seconds a shot was fired…so I asked myself…”Why would he shoot him if he new help was on the way?” “why would TM, if he was the one on top, continue hitting him if 911 was being called?” or “did he really continue hitting him?” or “did TM stop hitting him when the witness came out and gave GZ the ability to grab his gun and shoot him?” and “Was TM going to stand up when GZ grabbed his gun and shot him causing TM to fall to the ground with his hands under him avoiding getting blood on GM because he was not directly on top of him anymore?” and “did GZ know he was wrong and when he realized he would be in trouble he shot and killed the only person that could have a rightful claim against him?”
I raised so many questions in my mind…but the only thing that stuck out to me was that there was choices that he had and the choices that he made had a consequence and that was that a person was killed. We all are faced with choices…But George Zimmerman’s choices ended fatally. How can you not see this?
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@ duckduckgoofs
I took the liberty of pulling up a nice definition of manslaughter for you.
“Voluntary manslaughter occurs either when the defendant kills with malice aforethought (intention to kill or cause serious harm), but there are mitigating circumstances which reduce culpability, or when the defendant kills only with an intent to cause serious bodily harm. Voluntary manslaughter in some jurisdictions is a lesser included offense of murder. The traditional mitigating factor was provocation; however, others have been added in various jurisdictions.”
“Involuntary manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought, either express or implied. It is distinguished from voluntary manslaughter by the absence of intention. It is normally divided into two categories; constructive manslaughter and criminally negligent manslaughter.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter
Seeing as you comment may have proved you did not understand it or know it. Now I could go down and tell you what evidence has been provided that puts Zimmerman in that category, but I am going to give you an opportunity to brush up before commenting again.
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@ Miguel
Because you are the dumbest in the room so far I will break things down for you.
The man in on bond. This means he is out of jail on borrowed time. A judge can make the decision to take that away at his leisure, but in this case it is because of Zimmerman’s lies about finances. It was not revoked because of him killing Martin. That has nothing to do with it and the fact that you are actually dumb enough to try and leak the two is ….(no words).
Just another one of Zimmerman’s lies catching up with him. Not the first one and it will not be the last.
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Also for everyone that is harping on reasonable doubt.
REASONABLE DOUBT
The level of certainty a juror must have to find a defendant guilty of a crime. A real doubt,” based upon reason and common sense” after careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence, or lack of evidence, in a case.
Proof beyond a reasonable doubt, therefore, is proof of such a convincing character that you would be willing to rely and act upon it without hesitation in the most important of your own affairs. However, it does not mean an absolute certainty.
1. Is it common sense for any reasonable person to chase a person they claim is dangerous or “Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he’s coming to check me out, he’s got something in his hands, I don’t know what his deal is.” (Zimmerman’s words)
2. Is it common sense for someone to say they will meet the cops and then decide not to meet them and tell the dispatcher “Actually could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at?” (Zimmerman’s words)…Remember he is scared of Martin. Most people will stay on the phone out of fear. Like one of the 911 callers did. About a 14 min call.
3. Is it reasonable, if someone attacks you to just lay and take the beating? (Makes me wonder if Zimmerman was preparing his defense right then)
4. Is it reasonable for a man that lives on the other side of the gated community to be over in an area he did not have to or need to be?
These are only a few common sense questions that any reasonable person would ask. Not to mention that Zimmerman is constantly changing his story and lying. Most of his lies come from his family making up a story for him and then having to change it when new evidence is revealed.
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Jury members can, and probably often do, vote with hearts rather than their minds.
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@ Parfum Bleu
I am going to go with often.
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@ Parfum Bleu
It is sad to me that person losing their life is ok an it is sad that so many people want to justify it by saying “self-defense.” This was not a life or death situation here. If it was then I would say “hey, it is what it is.” Zimmerman made choices and they were bad ones and I hope a jury sees that.
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@Sharina
Agree! 🙂
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@ Michelle
Thank you. 🙂
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Michelle & Sharina,
How much do you want to bet that Miguel will come back with a response that will include one or both of the following in poor spelling and bad sentence structure?
1. Trayvon started the fight with Zimmerman
2. Zimmerman is innocent.
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@ brothawolf
LOL. I can put $100 on that.
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This just in:
http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2012/06/judge-revokes-george-zimmermans-bond-gives-him-48-hours-to-surrender/
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@ brothawolf
Better yet he may call us all racist. I will respond with “what statement did I say that was racist?” then he will disappear.
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The sad part is I honestly believed Zimmerman was truthful up until he got into a fight with Martin. I always believed he lied about the fight because it is too easy to blame the dead guy.
Now I just think this guy is a flat out liar. I can’t believe anything he says now. No need to lie about finances at all, passports, any of that if he was Mr. truth. He is lying about stupid things and small lies add up to big ones. He is hanging himself. Can’t blame Martin for that now can you Zimmerman.
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@Brothawolf, Sharina
I think Miguel has what is called “selective reading” similar to “selective listening” lol 🙂
I was using a simple math equation with GZ’s lies….it goes like this…
Guilt + Hiding funds acquired from charity + Hiding second passport = Intentions of Fleeing = Admission of Guilt
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@ Michelle
That would only apply if he reads. LOL. Some of his comments have me questioning that.
“Guilt + Hiding funds acquired from charity + Hiding second passport = Intentions of Fleeing = Admission of Guilt”—Love it. 🙂 I was wondering though. If he did indeed kill Martin in self-defense then why would he need to consider fleeing??? I guess he was really just a big ball of lies all along. Once again it has been proven that I gave him more credit than necessary.
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@Sharina
You are better than me! 🙂 I didn’t believe anything he said after I heard him continue running after TM on the 911 call…then he didn’t want to tell 911 where to have the police meet him…he told them to have them call him when they get there. It sounded fishy to me from the beginning.
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Sharina writes: “Zimmerman made choices and they were bad ones and I hope a jury sees that.”
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ITA!
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@ Michelle
There goes me giving anyone the benefit of the out anymore. Well if they kills someone I mean. LOL.
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@ Parfum Bleu
Even that statement I made is a complete understatement to the things he did.
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@Sharina
We all learn from our mistakes! lmbo 🙂
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no that person is just subscibing to how the law really is and not the political trash your trying to push.
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the man’s finances hav3e nothing to do with anything nor should he be forced to tell anyone his true finances , that would not change anything. to revoke his bond over his finances is petty.
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intentions of fleeing?? he would have already have absconded if that were the case.
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wow you people make it seem like coming back with a logical & corresct repsonse is a bad thing , all of you racist keep making it seem like trayvon was a model citizen and it has already been proven this is not the case.
however none of either persons past counts . the most important fact is this , trayvon was banging zimmermans head off of cement. nothing else matter on either side other than this. racism or criminal intent on the other side. the only thing that matters is zimmerman’s perception of death @ that moment. that alone justifiy’s killing even the pope @ that moment no matter who started the fight or what other laws were being broken by either party in the issue @ hand. precendents from other cases do not matter, nor does how much money zimmerman raised for his defense.
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as for my grammar and spelling I do very well for someone who speaks enough of 6 different languages to live anywhere on the planet, & hold 7 phd’s in various engineering disciplines. ideas are what’s important not trivia like spelling or grammar. i know many professors who cannot speak or spell word one in english who teach in world class institutions .
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“this person thought that dressing like a gangbanger or a drug dealer was an appropriate thing while walking around in a neighborhood he did not belong to. society has glorified this type of hip hop rap behavior. dress like a drug dealer get treated like one. you cant blame the person who reacted to this. many youths who follow this culture are known to carry weapons in inner city’s and known to shoot people indiscriminately lets look at the whole context of what has happened here not just the media spin al sharpton and the liberally biased media wants us to see.”
“however none of either persons past counts”
So you changed your mind? .
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http://diaryofanegress.com/2012/06/03/extra-extra-read-all-about-it/
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@ miguel miquel
I see you are still stupid. Carry on then.
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@ Miguel Miquel
Trust me when I say your spelling errors are the least of your worries when it comes to how dumb you really are.
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@ cleonette
Miguel has contradicted himself more times than he can count. He is really doing nothing more than twisting and trying to recite things people with actual sense have said so as to try and make himself seem smarter or more logical than he really is.
I don’t don’t know how many times he as tried to word a paragraph the same as mine or even construct it the same as mine in order to twist it to make Zimmerman seem innocent. Not to long ago he tried to use my scenario to make Zimmerman seem innocent. He is beyond the point of crazy.
He would try and use brothawolf’s sentences but I don’t think Miguel’s level of intellect will allow him to grasp what he is actually saying.
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@Sharina
I gave up on Miguel last week…it is a waste of time trying to reason with him. 😀
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@ Miguel
There are only 3 PHds you can get in the United states in the field of Engineering. Doctor of Engineering (D.Eng.), Doctor of Engineering Science (D.E.Sc., Sc.D E.), and Doctor of Environmental Science and Engineering (D.Env.).
It takes 4 years in for a bachelors, 3 1/2 if you take summer course. The Doctoral program usually takes a few years to complete, so if you took 7 then that is about 12 years of schooling plus the 4 years getting a bachelors is about 16 years of schooling.
Now let me give you credit and say you started right out of high school. So at the age of 34 you would have 7 phds. Now we know only 3 of them could have been gotten in the states based on the profession you claim you got it, so where did you get the others? I would think very carefully if I were you before coming up with another lie.
“the man’s finances hav3e nothing to do with anything nor should he be forced to tell anyone his true finances , that would not change anything. to revoke his bond over his finances is petty.”—I don’t think it was a matter of finances as much as it was of him lying.
“no that person is just subscibing to how the law really is and not the political trash your trying to push.”–I personally don’t get involved in politics too often, but if the law was working the way it should in this case Zimmerman would have been arrested and charged a long time ago. Heck the trial may have actually been over and this discussion would not be happening. You could even continue to pretend to not be racist.
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@ Michelle
I use to feel sorry for him, but I realize he is willingly this way. He has a ton of sources, many of which others have provided for him including yourself, and he still refuses to use facts to make his case.
Only thing you can do is laugh at him.
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yeah laugh like all of society is at you people for not being able to understand a basic sentence. lying about the money has nothing to do with being attacked by a ruthless criminal. there are many other than the 3 you refer too. evedently you don’t know how a phd works.
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Miguel,
You said, “wow you people make it seem like coming back with a logical & corresct repsonse is a bad thing , all of you racist keep making it seem like trayvon was a model citizen and it has already been proven this is not the case.”
How are responses any more logical or correct than the next person’s? From what I’ve seen people like Sharina, deedee, Michelle and others have done their research and are more knowledgeable at this subject than both you or I.
As far as the calling us racist bit goes it’s old. You’ve made numerous comments that are racist. I pointed them out earlier in this very post in a comment you haven’t objected to.
No one here, including myself, has ever made Martin out to be a model citizen. We know he wasn’t. You, on the other hand, was trying your hardest making him out to be lower than a thug with nothing to back them up.
Then, you said “however none of either persons past counts . the most important fact is this , trayvon was banging zimmermans head off of cement. nothing else matter on either side other than this. racism or criminal intent on the other side. the only thing that matters is zimmerman’s perception of death @ that moment. that alone justifiy’s killing even the pope @ that moment no matter who started the fight or what other laws were being broken by either party in the issue @ hand. precendents from other cases do not matter, nor does how much money zimmerman raised for his defense.”
I knew you’d mention the same old blather again. You’re sounding more and more like a broken record. You can’t come up with anything new or convincing.
This leads me to conclude that without a shadow of a doubt that you really aren’t serious about this case. You’re just here to entertain yourself by using the lamest and cold-hearted means at your disposal.
We all know you don’t have 7 Ph. Ds. We know you’re not as knowledgeable as you constantly imply over and over again. So, stop living in a fantasy world. The real deal is that you are nothing more than a mere troll. And it’s amazing that you’re still at it on this and no other subject.
Give it a rest. You know you’re bored of this, as we are.
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wow the backpeddling in here is impossible. there is plenty of inherit racism in suporting martin. yes many people here have made statements to martin being totally innocent and blah blah.
7 phd’s verifiable yes. I’m working on a project involving aerospace technology, aviation, mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, advanced materials sciences, & advanced ergonomics. the finished product will go about 300 mph get 500 mpg and cost less than $20k. cold hearted?? whatever guess that’s why I have open invites to live in many friends homes all over the world. no other subject”””????? I talk to about 200 different people everyday concerning anything from this to space elevators. don’t pretend to be able to speak down to me you mongrel. read the words after unless in the florida law and you will see nothing matters but zimmerman perceiving his death being imminent.
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No offense Miguel but my brother is an aerospace engineer and if you do wan’t to prove it…… tell me some tech breakthroughs about your project, I will tell him……. Then report on the open thread……. sound fair everyone? 7 doctorates sound far fetched to me though. I am even on your side of some of what you say but it doesn’t sound like you’re being 100.
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@ MiguelMiquel,
And evidently, you do not know how to spell ‘evidently’! Please do us all a favor and read an ‘Introduction to English Spelling and Grammar’ book. It will make reading your anti-black/anti-Trayvon rants a little less nauseating.
By the way, you do know that Zimmerman’s witnesses have been changing their story, left-right-and-centre:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/23/trayvon-martin-case-witnesses-change-stories_n_1539077.html
No wonder why nothing he says adds up (including this nonsense about having his head bashed against cement). it’s not true!
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@ Miguel
I never once said the money had anything to do with him being attacked nor did anyone in this room. What was said was that Zimmerman lied about the money and his lies are adding up.
As far as your PHd lie I can give you the link of a list of PHds in the United States. It is actually only those three in the field of engineering and considering I am working on my PHD in psychology I am pretty darn sure I know how it works. It works different depending on your field as far as schooling and requirement, but I am sure my brother-in-law can give me more information in regards to it considering he has his PHD in engineering and works in the field. Here is a link to help you out of that lie or that just exposed your lie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doctoral_degrees_awarded_by_country
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@ Miguel
“don’t pretend to be able to speak down to me you mongrel.”–Wow he just proved how much of a down heart racist he is. If nothing else did this sure as heck did.
“7 phd’s verifiable yes.”—You do that and I will tell you if they are counterfeit or off the back of the captain crunch cereal box. Hey if they are counterfeit then hurry and run to Florida and turn yourself in just in time for you to share a cell and become but buddies with Zimmerman.
“whatever guess that’s why I have open invites to live in many friends homes all over the world. no other subject”””?????”—This does not make you sound GQ. This makes you sound homeless.
“I talk to about 200 different people everyday concerning anything from this to space elevators.”—Actually you have been talking about the circus and taxi driving on occasion. Even a bit of traveling across the country. Not sure where you found time for the PHD oops 7 PHDs, but ok you are entitled to lie. Zimmerman must be your idol.
“read the words after unless in the florida law and you will see nothing matters but zimmerman perceiving his death being imminent.”—You read the word unless. You have read nothing more than parts of the law you like and think gets Zimmerman off, but you fail to read what is after that unless. “and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or (b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.” Any of that ring a bell or are you just ignoring it? I am going to say ignoring it.
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@ Miguel
Now on to business.
“wow the backpeddling in here is impossible.”—Where have I back-peddled or do you even know the definition of that? How I felt about Zimmerman is somewhat the same. I always thought he should get Manslaughter, I always thought he did not mean to shoot Martin, and I thought he was pretty truthful. New evidence has been revealed that says otherwise and now I have questioned a lot about Zimmerman. I question even more so how truthful he was about that fight. I still believe Martin fought with him and I have since day one, but I know if someone was following me and chased after me then I would be ready to fight in defense of myself and with me being a female I feel that way more so in the world today. You on the other hand are different. You have been back-peddling and contradicting yourself since day one.
“there is plenty of inherit racism in suporting martin. yes many people here have made statements to martin being totally innocent and blah blah.”—I am still waiting on you to find one statement I said that was racist or had to do with race period. Again you bring up race in every post. I am glad you finally started to say many, but you still have not pointed to one individual in this room that stated Martin was innocent. I for one never once said he was a model citizen and I have also gone so far as to say almost all teens are not.
““don’t pretend to be able to speak down to me you mongrel.””–Ignoring the racism in that…I have earned the right to talk down to you. Not because of your race but because of your willing stupidity. I think every single person in this room Martin or Zimmerman supporter has earned that right. You have been given a fair chances to argue facts or your opinion off of facts or some little tidbit you have found, but you unbelievably choose to be ignorant. You are on the low end of the spectrum…not to be taken seriously.
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I am afraid that it is now open season on Black males. The Zimmerman case seems to have sent a message that it is ok to kill young Black men.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/27/us-usa-wisconsin-shooting-idUSBRE82Q02620120327
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/03/john-spooner-shoots-darius-summons_n_1566004.html
I am also confused, America seems to have a new ethnic group “Hispanic White”?
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@ anonymous
Thank you for sharing that and that really is a sad case indeed. Do you mind sharing it on Open thread?
It is so similar to the Zimmerman case it is almost funny. This case and the way it was handled has brought many people to believe such behavior is justified. All those people in defense of Zimmerman’s actions failed to see what type of hell gate has been opened as a result of this.
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Sharina
No problem, I will cut and paste the response to the open thread.
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“yeah laugh like all of society is at you people for not being able to understand a basic sentence.”
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OMG, that’s ‘rayciss’! You’d do well to confine your gibberish to the one person you’re responding to rather than making unfounded statements about millions of others.
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@ Parfum Bleu
That is his biggest problem. He is actually trying to lump everyone into one category. That is why half the time it is hard to tell who he is responding to.
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Evidently Miguel is a balloon man…
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I would like to point out that everything Miguel has said about not being able to read sentences and how Martin supporters are racist; He was actually talking about himself. If you will notice how he brings up things that describe what he is doing to a “T.”
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Zimmerman is asking to be released from jail (well since he asked, and he’s not Black, then i guess he should be let go, right?………SMH…. This guy is the height of unrepentant. He should be rotting in jail for a lifetime for what he did.)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/04/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE85207Q20120604
“Mr. Zimmerman knew a significant sum had been raised by his original fundraising website. We feel the failure to disclose these funds was caused by fear, mistrust and confusion,” the lawyers said.
“The gravity of this mistake has been directly illustrated, and Mr. Zimmerman understands that this mistake has undermined his credibility, which he will have to work to repair.”
Zimmerman solicited money for his defense through a website, TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.com, that has since been taken down. It has been replaced by a new online site for contributions to Zimmerman’s defense called gzdefensefund.com.
The Zimmerman lawyers said in the statement on Monday that $204,000 was raised through the original website and an additional $37,000 was contributed to Zimmerman’s defense through the new site.
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I have notice something about Zimmerman. Everyone else is speaking for this guy, which leads me to believe they all know he is a liar and would probably stick his food in his mouth if they do not speak for him. That also tells me that they believe he is an idiot screw up.
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correction foot instead of food
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@ parfum not unfounded to state what everybody already know. evidently I struck a nerve by tellling the truth which you people can’t seem to handle.
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@ Miguel
This is funny coming from the guy who is getting laughed at by Martin and Zimmerman supporters alike. LOL. You can’t even read let alone understand a basic sentence and that is what everyone no matter what color have been either saying or pointing out to you.
Evidently you can not handle the truth. Anytime someone presents it to you, then you run away or pretend they did not write it. Oh not to mention how often you contradict yourself.
You still have not been able to handle that your stupid. Truth you prove every time you speak. You still can’t even handle how racist you are and yet you keep talking like you are not. Hopeless you are.
You are still trying to glance over what Dave presented to you and he nicely did it at that.
The sad part is everything I have said to you in regards to you lack of….everything; you are now regurgitating it as if you said it and that is when it is a known fact you are losing an argument.
Doug did it right before he snapped and now you are doing the same thing. It is actually quite sad and pathetic. Now you are at the bash people stage because you have no facts to back your claim and you are tired of people proving you wrong. Turn into the bigot you know you are and have that total meltdown
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hahaha not a bigot or ready for a meltdown however I’m going to walk away from your ignorant people and let you find out from reality. I don’t care if the man is guilty or not it’s just the media hype and lies about what stand your own ground really means. which is that zimmerman is most likely innocent. have a fun time with your racism you try to mask as other peoples racism.
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My comment in moderation was more referring to Miguel than to you Sharina, but hopefully if it passes, you can tell from the second paragraph on down.
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Darn. So I guess he is not going to take Dave’s Challenge.
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@ Miguel Miquel
It does not matter if you believe yourself to be black or white. As you keep forgetting my stance of stupidity can be found in all colors and you also forget how racist your comments really are.
Let me define bigot for you. Bigotry is the state of mind of a “bigot”, a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who exhibits intolerance or animosity toward members of a group. Now let me show you this statement that you said ““don’t pretend to be able to speak down to me you mongrel.” Now tell that lie again how you are not a bigot. This is only one small piece of proof, but I am sure if you actually read some of your paragraphs you will see what a real bigot you are
It is sad you have to tell yourself you are winning an argument to make yourself feel better. Poor fool. Must really suck to be the room loser.
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@ Miguel
“no I ran through this on information I researched.”—Also. Don’t pretend you do research. Like you keep pretending you are not racist and you have 7 ph.ds and you are intellectual blah blah blah. The jigg is up. We know you are dumb. You don’t need to act anymore. We are not at the circus.
Just be truthful with Dave and the rest of the room and we may actually forgive you.
Oh and Miguel. I am still waiting on that proof you have that I am racist. You know..Those racist comments you claim I said or how you claimed I was making this case about race. Come back when you get that ok Mr. delusional.
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Oh well. My comment didn’t pass. Still, I think Miguel said enough already to brand himself.
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@ brothawolf
Neither did my last one as it seems. I did see it though.
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@ Miguel:
You claim that George Zimmerman is innocent and was merely trying to put a stop to the beat-down he was getting at the hands of Trayvon Martin, but somehow can’t see that perhaps Trayvon was acting in self defense, since he was the one being stalked in the first place. I would think with all those PhDs you’d be a little more perceptive, or at least more willing to weigh all sides of the story, but maybe mental acuity isn’t something one learns in grad school?
As I understand it, Trayvon was walking down the street, minding his business, talking to his girlfriend on a cell phone. Zimmerman began following him in his car, then exited his vehicle and tried to accost him on foot. Zimmerman was armed with a gun. Trayvon was “armed” with…a cell phone. And Skittles. Oh, and an Arizona Ice Tea. Dangerous weapons, those. Especially when you mix the tea and Skittles together. Such a powerful arsenal of stuff…
Now, if it were me, I might try to run or I might confront the assailant, depending on a variety of other factors and what I felt at the time would yield the best results for me. And in fact, this is what MOST PEOPLE would do, which is why there’s actually a name — no, excuse me, a medical term — for this phenomenon. It’s called fight or flight response. It’s our body’s automatic, INBORN mechanism that pushes us to “fight or flee” perceived attack, harm or threat to our survival. So, if I see some strange dude with a gun following me on a dark, rainy night, I’m going to run with the quickness, I’m going to try to get in a lick or three before he has the chance to take me out, or perhaps some combination of both those things. And believe this, I wouldn’t stop until I disabled the attacker (or his opportunity to attack me) and was well out of harm’s way. That’s what people do. Heck. It’s what every member of the animal kingdom does.
Trayvon may not be The Perfect Victim, but his behavior was fairly normal given the situation.
And, since I’ve got your ear, Miguel, would you mind explaining why someone with so much education, so many degrees, so much knowledge, and so many skills is hustling a balloon business on Facebook? And why someone with so much to offer in terms of technological innovation and know-how has spent most of his life in the circus driving rigs, cleaning animal poop, and tossing peanuts to the audience? Why would someone with 7 PhDs do that? Is that how you blow off steam in your free time? I must say I’m impressed. I’m impressed that you have free time at all, because most of the people I know with just 1 PhD, don’t have that luxury. Most of them don’t have time. Most of them are making policy or running NASA or writing books or conducting research or teaching at major universities and generally making the world go around. They certainly don’t have time to be “The Balloon Man,” much less to argue with people on a blog. Hat tip to you, Miguel, because you must be *really* special to do that…
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because balloons are steadey money. I do circus stuff because it allows me tons of free time to further my studies. there are tons of people with phd’s who don’t do something like running nasa a phd is not that big if a deal if your smart.
trayvons behavior was far from normal. a normal person would have went home and called the police . most of my life?? no only 14 years. driving a big rig is a huge responsibility that I did as a favor for a friend who owns a circus. my research is conducted in my spare time and will use all of me expertise and more. why don’t I have anything going big time yet?? i don’t have millions of dollars to work with so my research takes more time. I have time to be the balloon man, study several hours a day, go hiking a few more, work out for a few, have a social life, be here , & still travel more in a month that you will see in years. cleanign animal poop?? somebody has to do it and the animals really appreciate it. there is no such thing as a dishonerable job, work is work. though I only worked a menagery one time. . I also work on people cars on the side. not everybody is going to fit into your narrow minded mold of what you think a phd holder is. free time that’s all I have in life. I do what i want when I want.
martinsn so called self defense. if you are so afraid of someone following youy , it does not make sense to go out of your way when your 70 feet from your home. the best response if you are supposedly afraid of the big mexican is to run into your home and call 911. but martin did not do that he confronted a man with a loaded gun . the rest is history and stand your ground says zimmerman is innocent no matter who started the fight.
on private property a person has no expectancy of not being questioned or not to be followed by the security in place there. a gated community is all private property every inch including the streets. so to say that anyone would be afraid of the man everybody in that neighborhood is the neighborhood watchmen is a misnomer and an outright lie.
just because your narrow minded lifestyle includes working 40+hours a week , does not mean that my life includes such slavery. I earn my own money as I see fit and in such a way that allows me to enjoy my persuits. so you see there is time to do all those things and much more whenever possible.
bigot??? nope I was talking about you as an individual not a social group.
racist??? I don’t feel myself superior to any other social group. you failed on both of those. god bless you and your narrow minded racist thought patterns. why are you racist?? because you think that if the roles were revesed it would be any different. god bless you and your narrow minded parroting of the liberal medias agenda to start a race war.
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Miguel,
I want a snake, an eel, and an earthworm. I’m sure a balloon man with 7 PHD’s can handle that? lol
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I just dropped by to see what’s going in the George Zimmerman thread and I see Miguel’s still at it.
@ cleonette:
LOL! Your comment made me chuckle. 🙂 Hey, Miguel, while you’re at it, I want a balloon hat. Btw, nice lederhosen. 😀
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@ Miguel
You need to read this definition again Bigot Bigotry is the state of mind of a “bigot”, a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who exhibits intolerance or animosity toward “members” of a group.
[don’t pretend to be able to speak down to me you mongrel.] this statement shows you intolerance of me because I am black and I am inserting my intelligence on you. Ouch does it hurt balloon man.
[it’s not prejudiced to know blacks have more violent criminals per populace, nor is it prejudiced or racist to know that in major city’s government jobs are given to the biggest loudest talking least qualified applicants merely for the color of their skin.] This statement shows your racism and bigotry.
[so yes honestly I can say with all honesty(not biased I love all people ) that black people are very lazy uneducated & prone to crime.]
You have been intolerantly devoted to this belief or rather opinion of blacks being low class and thugs in each of the statements I have presented. You have shown the blatant animosity towards blacks. Look at your reaction to Sasha, who was speaking very intelligently, and you decided to tell her she was speaking ebonics when it was clear English (something you can not handle). Not to mention you need to make Martin out to be a stalker and your blatant disregard for a tragedy, but the glorification of it.
“why are you racist?? because you think that if the roles were revesed it would be any different.”—Oh so now you are pulling the old put words in a person’s mouth trick. Second sign of a loser in an argument. Never once have I discussed or even mentioned the roles being reversed because I never once mentioned race in the Zimmerman case. If you are looking for a loser try Miguel the fail.
It is amazing that I got the definition for you and you still could not read it. OMG really are you that dumb.. You lost a long time ago and the only thing happening now is poking fun at you. Too bad you are too slow to catch up.
Just a side note. You are also losing the argument a tad bit further by trying to repeat something that has already been dis proven. Zimmerman can not claim “stand your ground.” You should spend time finding out why. Also Martin was not 70 ft from his home, yet something else you need to research.
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@ Miguel
“god bless you and your narrow minded parroting of the liberal medias agenda to start a race war.”—This would be the 10th time of me telling you this and yes you are pulling a major doug here, but I don’t look at the news. I never have even though my grandma is constantly telling me I should to find out what is going on. My facts came from Zimmerman’s own mouth and no one tells a lie like he can.
Just so happens all of that lying is catching up and too attached supporters like yourself can not handle it.
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@ Sharina,
Isn’t it how frightening how wrong these white bigots get it? So wrong that they are willing to donate +$237 000 (the apprx. new tally) to a proven LIAR and a SELF-ADMITTED killer’s bank account.
Instead of donating that money towards a cure for cancer or hiv, they think that their money is best spent towards George Zimmerman’s defense.
SMH!!!!
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@ JT
I agree with you 100%. These are also the same bigots that harp day in and day out about taking responsibility for black crime, yet here they are paying for a man and condoning his crime.
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@ Sharina,
Very true! Culpability apparently is a one way street for them.
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condoning? no the are supporting a probably innocent man. you are trying this man in a court of public opinion which has nothing to do with real justice. read the law it does not matter who attacked whom.
you still have not read a dictionary there is nothing in my actions or words that fits racist. yes you are right if the roles were reversed zimmerman would have never been arrested or even questioned as the burger king shooter and several other black on white crimes of late.
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a worm ?? a snake?? a 1 year old child can make those things. I make complex 8 -10 balloon creations.
a man’s life is just as important as cancer as it’s not just about him but anybody falsely accused of a crime like this. $270 k is nothing not even a significant amount when it comes to the fight against cancer . if those people believe he is innocent it’s not a waste of money because it’s their money to do with what they chose to , not yours or mine.
yes zimmerman can claim stand your ground because of the word unless, then goes on to state if your percieve your life in danger and cannot escape. someone sitting on your chest banging your head into cement satisfies that. its a basic english statement that needs no legal interpretation. it was written that way for simple people like you to understand.
[it’s not prejudiced to know blacks have more violent criminals per populace, nor is it prejudiced or racist to know that in major city’s government jobs are given to the biggest loudest talking least qualified applicants merely for the color of their skin.] “This statement shows your racism and bigotry.” no it does not this is a fact that in philidelphia black men were given advancement in position when they were not qualified for the job to meet a quota , overqualified white men were told this to their faces in the philidelphia fire dept. to knotice this fact isi not a sign of racism as it does not make me any superior to anyone else to know this fact. university of berkely same thing for admittance . so no I'[m not a racist or a bigot ,you only wish I was so you could justify your own racism.
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I must say that you all have a lot of patience dealing with Miguel’s foolishness. It seems he is obsessed with this post and no other aside from the ones that talk about the Martin case. If he doesn’t care about Zimmerman, why does he stick to the issue so intensely?
And for the record, I still don’t believe he has 7 Ph. Ds. No one with those many credentials can be this…this…you know.
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@ brothawolf
I don’t think anyone believes he has 7 ph.ds. It is not just his speech or demeanor, but the fact that he was so quick to dismiss a simple challenge by Dave. The fact that when asked for proof he pretends it was not asked, but then has the nerve to say he has proof. Not to mention the fact that when I provided proof of only 3 Doctoral degrees in engineering he was quick to try and tell me I have no idea what I am talking about.
I think all that time in the circus has made him delusional.
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Delusional is not the right word for him LOL!
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persistant. I don’t care what you think about my education when my inventions start coming off the assembly line. I’ll have the last laugh on that one. persistance is the key to success nothing else matters not education, not intelligence. last iq test was 165 . all that time in the circus has taught me things about the world not many other people learn then I went on to earn my phd’s. why do I stick with this ??? ask yourself the same question as this applies to you to , you hypocrite. much love zimmerman is innocent.
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“yes you are right if the roles were reversed zimmerman would have never been arrested or even questioned as the burger king shooter and several other black on white crimes of late. “—Here you are making it about race again. Oh did you hear about that black on white crime where the guy shot a 13 year old in the street in front of his mom. tragic.
“yes zimmerman can claim stand your ground because of the word unless, then goes on to state if your percieve your life in danger and cannot escape.”–What does the rest of it say. I notice every time that you neglect to include what the rest of that law states.You exclude it basically because it proves my point and not yours. Remember can not escape and not trying to escape are two different things.
“someone sitting on your chest banging your head into cement satisfies that”—hmmm no. If someone was on my chest banging my head against cement, then I would do a quick ball punch and bite him, scratch, etc. May even reach for a rock and smash him with it or hit him with my gun, but not lay there.
“ts a basic english statement that needs no legal interpretation. it was written that way for simple people like you to understand”—Like the lawmakers you keep claiming don’t understand their own law. LOL. Oh but Miguel and his PH.d in clowns knows all about the law. LOL.
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@ Miguel
“no it does not this is a fact that in philidelphia black men were given advancement in position when they were not qualified for the job to meet a quota , overqualified white men were told this to their faces in the philidelphia fire dept.”—This is where you are trying to twist it around and make it seem like you are less racist and more intelligent than you are. The statement [it’s not prejudiced to know blacks have more violent criminals per populace, nor is it prejudiced or racist to know that in major city’s government jobs are given to the biggest loudest talking least qualified applicants merely for the color of their skin.] You stated all blacks and all jobs given to blacks were that way. If you had said something like blacks men in the phillidephia fire department were given advancement and were not qualified, then you would be stating a fact, but you did not. You went on to try a lump all blacks into that one category, thus that statement makes you a racist and a bigot none the less.
“university of berkely same thing for admittance”—What does the University of Berkely have to do with anything. We already know you do not have 7 ph.ds and before you stick your foot in your mouth….You do realize people can check to see if you attended it and if you have received 7 ph.ds.
“so no I'[m not a racist or a bigot ,you only wish I was so you could justify your own racism.”—Yet again you still have not proven how I am racist. You have proven how you are but I am not asking how you are racist.
Sorry Miguel, but you were begging to be made a fool of. 😦 Don’t cry. “everybody hurts……….sometimes” LOL
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Correction Philadelphia. Excuse that horrible spelling.
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@Sharina
lol you are my hero! I could not continue arguing with Miguel…it was hurting my brain. You are much stronger and persistent than me and I admire that! 🙂
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@ Michelle
I don’t think I am stronger than anyone else in here lol. I just laugh at a lot of the stuff he says. You just can’t take it serious. Nothing he says is that of a logical person. Even when he tries so hard. I just die laughing
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I must say that you all have a lot of patience dealing with Miguel’s foolishness.
@ Brothawolf,
Id take a hundred Miguels over ONE Doug1111. That guy was maddening. Miguel is kinda amusing. And not just because i can imagine him riding one of those tiny circus tricycles. teehee. =P
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@ JT
LOL.
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no you people made it about race when you mention role reversal and saying the black man would have been immediatly jailed and or sent to the electric chair not chance for parole etc.. you also made it about race when you called a minority a racist.
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@JT
They can keep both Doug and Miguel. LOL I can’t take anymore of their stupidity. Good thing one of them is banned.
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yeah brothawolf you are glad that someone who does not suport your narrowminded viewpoint has been silenced from refuting your lies & bigotry. stupidity?? I gues an invalid can work their way around the entire north american continent & always have a place to stay. you are a race baiter .
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@ Miguel Miguel
You must love proving me right because here you are again doing it. I asked you what did I say in regards to race. I meaning Sharina. I did not ask you what everyone else may have said regarding race. You keep saying you people and you have not singled out not one individual that talked about the role reversal. Not one of my post have I talked about it, but you just brought it up again, shoving your racism in everyone’s face and still so dumb you denying it.
“you also made it about race when you called a minority a racist.”—You proved you were one then you got called one. That is not racist idiot. That was could hard facts with proof to boot.
“yeah brothawolf you are glad that someone who does not suport your narrowminded viewpoint has been silenced from refuting your lies & bigotry”—Actually if you were alive for it, Doug got banned for several reasons. Doug was also the one who pointed out where you were wrong in the law. LOL.
“I gues an invalid can work their way around the entire north american continent & always have a place to stay.”—Yes, a dedicated and hard working one can. Again with your always have a place to stay. Are you hinting at you are homeless or something. That has nothing to do with anything.
“you are a race baiter.”—Define race-baiter.
Your argument are weak.
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@ Miguel Miguel
It is funny how you are rallying for Zimmerman supporters now. You blew them off a long time ago. You were such a bigot and stuck in your preconceived notions that you refused to acknowledge any facts about the case and any facts about yourself.
Doug told you Zimmerman could not use stand your ground and you were wrong about how it did not matter who started the fight, but you started ranting on and on about how he and everyone else was wrong. After that he quickly got band because of his clear racism and calling me a B-word. Knowledge Jealousy. Similar to what you are doing.
Oh and Remember Dave you politely asked you about information on engineering? You quickly ignored him.
You have dug a hole so deep on your Zimmerman stance that not one person wants to even bother helping you.
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I”m rallying for justice not particularly zimmerman himslef. the law reads he is innnocent. I have no knowledge jealousy towards people who know far less than me honey.
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@ Miguel Miquel
“persistance is the key to success nothing else matters not education, not intelligence.”—-Persistence is only part of the equation. There is also hard work and while education and intelligence was once not part of the factor in 1900s. It is today. Education not so much, but your ability to understand what is going on is key. I also take this little sentence as a sign that you do not have the ph.ds you claim to because now you are trying to justify your lie.
“last iq test was 165.”—Want a cookie? I know others with the same or higher.
“ask yourself the same question as this applies to you to , you hypocrite.”—How does your life in the circus apply to anyone other than yourself?
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Sharina
I have skimmed the posts (too long to read in depth) and I have come to the conclusion that the individual you are currently debating with cares nothing for law and is thoroughly enjoying himself relieving the murder of Trayvon again and again and again.
You pointed out that even those who agreed with him to an extent, he alienated!!!! lmao
Anyway, I salute you for your persistence with this. Hope it doesnt take its toll on you though 🙂
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@ Demerera
Thanks. One Thing about Miguel is he is a clown…literally. Every debate with him I see nothing but a clown and some guy riding around on a tiny bike (courtesy of JT).
A lot of Miguel comments are said to make himself feel good about himself. He feels smart and that he has done a good deed. My job is to knock him back down a few pegs. Cruel I know, but fun. LOL
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@ Miguel Miquel
I never said you were jealous of me. I said knowledge Jealousy and I was referring to Doug, but I am flattered that you admitted you are jealous of my knowledge. It’s ok I am a humble person. I will try not to allow my knowledge to blind you. I always wondered why you were standing in my shadows. Took so long to actually catch up to the conversation, using my words and my sentence structuring etc. Now I know. LOL.
Now on to seriousness. You can not read can you or either you can not understand a basic sentence or both. When I said rally I was not referring to you were rallying in support of Zimmerman because as I have said and you still don’t understand…I don’t care who you support. I was referring to how you were all praise of Doug (A Zimmerman supporter) and how he had sense, yet he was another who told you you were wrong on something and you dismissed him. Doug is a racist supporter at that.
This is why as a collective group we laugh at you. Its funny watching you pretend to be smart and pretend to know more than everyone else when you really are the underdog in this complete situation. A guy who knows nothing about the case could come in here comment and still know more than you.
It is amazing how low your comprehension skills are. I stated to you to support Zimmerman with facts or some facts you have found to be interesting and you took that for something else. I stated knowledge Jealousy in reference to Doug and you thought it was talking about you (FYI the fact that you were quick to defend a statement that did not refer to you tells me all to clear of your jealousy). You are losing it in this case.
You already lost your so called debate. You lost before you started. You still can’t provide facts and you are still neglecting proving your invisible Ph.ds and How you claim I am racist. I know you tried to say I was racist based on statement’s that I never even made, but that is a terrible failed attempt on your part and goes along with your failure to comprehend.
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@ Miguel Miguel
Also stop calling me honey. I am not y our honey. I have a husband to say those things to me if I really wanted to here that. Every time I see you type it it makes my skin crawl.
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correction hear
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Miguel,
Better to be a race baiter and a race hater like you.
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Miguel,
1. You are not interested in supporting a law as much as you are protective of George Zimmerman. Your comments show that you’re more interested in seeing him free than you are questioning the Stand Your Ground law that is in center stage.
2. Whether you want to admit it or not, Zimmerman killed Martin. That is killing. Do you understand? He didn’t have to kill him even if he was protecting himself.
3. Martin would be alive if it wasn’t for Zimmerman’s suspicion on him. Period.
4. You have brought nothing that says or proves that Martin has attacked Zimmerman. So why should anyone take your word for it? Is it because of all of the 7 Ph. D’s you supposedly have? That is not good enough.
5. You are not capable or competent enough to discuss this case any longer. Questions were directed towards you. You never answer. You repeat and reinterpret your same opinions over and over again. And, one can hardly believe you anyway due to your atrocious spelling, lies about your credentials, and your racist – that’s right, racist mindset that you constantly deny about.
6. In conclusion you are not hear genuinely to discuss the case, but you are just here to piss everyone off to satisfy your idol mind. You are the living definition of a troll, someone who doesn’t care about others who come and disrupt a discussion. There is nothing you can say or do that will prove you are not. You’ve said and done enough already to draw that conclusion. And if you continue to deny it, you are being less than a man.
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Miguel,
I suggest you read, if you can, this article that describes your mindset about this case perfectly and dismantles it piece by piece:
http://www.timwise.org/2012/05/of-children-and-inkblots-trayvon-martin-and-the-psychopathology-of-whiteness/
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hahaha, you”ve done nothing tto me sharina, you would have to be important to my world to count. the only things I say are so you know were I”m coming from.
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@ Miguel Miquel
I don’t even think you know where you are coming from.
“hahaha, you”ve done nothing tto me sharina, you would have to be important to my world to count.”—I never said I did anything to you (must be those poor reading comprehension skills of yours). In fact I have pointed out that you made yourself look stupid. The only thing I take credit for is highlighting your failures. As far as being important….I know I am….I am not trying in anyway to look important to you, so please do not get the wrong idea. Just so I can be clear….Stupidity is not flattering in anyway so don’t get the idea that I care about your opinions of me or you. It is one thing for you to be stupid, but you look stupid.
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Sharina,
This guy reads what he wants to read even if it doesn’t exist, and he believes what he wants even if it isn’t rooted in truth or reality. This is how racism warps the mind of so many people.
They destroy the boundaries between reality and fantasy, turn their sense of morality inside out, and helps contribute the depreciation of the intelligence of those “infected” by it. Hence, his poor sentence and grammar skills, his belief that Zimmerman is innocent, his negative stereotypical view of blacks, his belief that Martin got what he deserve, and his denial that he is indeed “infected”.
Miguel is the poster child of how damaging the racist mindset can be on a person’s psyche and intelligence.
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Not to mention his claim of numerous Ph. Ds in one field is too much to swallow. Yet, as ‘grin and bear it’ pointed out he still has enough time to comment on a blog and hustle balloons. Something doesn’t add up and we know it.
So, one has to conclude that this man is lying about his education to make himself look smarter, or he made them up because he’s intoxicated and they, as well as his so-called travels, are hallucinations produced by his inebriation like little pink elephants.
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race hater?? I don’t hate any races dude. I have friends in every nation on this planet. to mutch to swallow?? believe what you wnt to believe. enought time??? yes I’m self employed & can spend as mutch time all day long doing whatever i want to with nobody to look over my shoulder and tell me otherwise. this includes reading technical manuals and taking classes all day long if I want to.
so called travels ?? been to every mid to major city in the usa 7 canada about 6 times each for over a week at a time. probably even been to your town & tried to sell you popcorn or cotton candy.
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@ circusboy9010
I believe my eyes and based on your posts you can not spell, you have not reading comprehension, and the you are a bigot.
The thing you don’t realize is it is not a matter of believing what we want to believe. You actually provide the facts each time you respond to someone. You keep back-peddling on so many issues as if we would ignore what you stated previously. **shacks head** sad really.
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Miguel,
Yet, you come up with some stupid racist conclusion about Blacks in America based on nothing but negative stereotypes. I wonder how your black friends would think if they were to hear you talk about their group like that.
Now, knowing you, you’d probably say the tired old line that “I have black friends who would agree with me” BS. Don’t even go there with that. You are practically becoming more predictable by the day.
I won’t go into what you do to make money because that’s way off topic. I will say that your constant need to bring up your lifestyle may be a front to hide something, but I digress.
The bottom line is that you continue to prove us right about you every time. And your defenses are weak and fragile. Like I’ve said a million times on this post, the ladies and gentlemen who’ve spent much time trying to prove where you are wrong and mistaken do so in the hopes that either you may learn something or that you may cave in, leave or get yourself banned.
I’ve admitted that I, myself, am not as eloquent and knowledgeable as these people, but I’ve tried to get you to see that your reasoning is wrong on a whole new different level, the level of morality. It is a level that you are deeply lost in, so lost that you don’t know where your heart is in regards to this case or when it comes to race and racism.
You try your best to make it seem that Martin somehow asked to get killed, that he was the one who started the struggle violently, but you haven’t sent any articles, reports, nothing to back up your claim. Is it because you haven’t even try to look up anything, or is it because you can’t? Either way, this is why none of us can take you seriously, among other things.
We are not demanding justice for Martin simply because he is black. To assume so is ludicrous. We demand justice because this is unfortunately common with us. In this nation our lives don’t add up to a hill of beans. It is not an exaggeration or some kind of hallucination to “cover our own shortcomings”. It is the sad truth. Crimes against us are treated radically different from that of White victims. Most of our victims are treated with less respect and dignity than that of whites. Even the families of those victims are treated poorly as opposed to whites.
There are tons of information to support the disparities in racial treatment in the justice system. Why is it not credible to you?
According to you, it is our own fault things are the way we are. According to you have a culture that abhors education, worship crime, and protect thug and gangster lifestyles that you’ve implied that we follow. You believe that most black people blindly dedicate themselves to said lifestyles which is the reason why we are still down, imprisoned or dying.
That is the very heard of the white racist mindset that you possess. It is written in plain sight every time you make a comment.
Yet, you continue to deny that it is racist. You call it facts, and that conclusion is why people, including Zimmerman supporters, are laughing at you. But for some reason you are too stupid, blind, high, drunk or all four to see it which would leave any rational person to believe that you nothing more than a mere troll.
At the end of the day it becomes increasingly apparent that you are defending and supporting a killer for reasons with racist implications. Now, you will try to deny it once again. You will bring up your seven Ph. Ds again. You will try to bring up how Martin started the fight. You will try to prove us right about you as much as possible humoring no one else but yourself. However, one fact can not be refuted:
A child was killed.
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Miguel,
If you still don’t believe that a child was killed, what about this:
http://www.blackyouthproject.com/2012/06/another-unarmed-black-youth-shot-killed-darius-simmons-was-only-13-years-old/
Did the neighbor had a right to shoot and kill this child because he was protecting his property?
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@ Brothawolf
Well said. I cry every time I hear about the 13 year old. It is extremely sad the action that was taken by this heartless old man and for now I just prefer not to make too many comments on it.
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Sharina,
Thanks, and it pisses me off when I hear about news like the one I posted. It’s a continuing message to me that black life here in America is worthless by society’s corrupt standards. And it has nothing to do with the supposed myth that black people are inferior in morality and intelligence like some people would like to believe. It has everything to do with this nation’s pathology against PoC carried out by individuals and institutions.
Miguel,
If you are as educated as you say you are, research should’ve been your priority in subject matters like this. That means looking up information that is not grounded in any political affirmation to conclude that the problem is within the group itself. As one would see, making such conclusions have no credible or educated evidence. Yet, it has strong supporters who identify themselves as “race realists”.
You’ve implied in another post related to Zimmerman that a few represents most or a whole, and to you that is not racist but reality. Therefore, since you’ve seen and/or heard about a few black males who were involved in criminal activity, that means major portion of the black male population is involved in criminal activity in one way or another.
That is a prime example of what is known as sampling error which leads to stereotype fixations and racist imagery applied to the whole group. And that is at the root of your justification of Martin’s murder. You believe that he started the violent struggle, and that he was rightfully shot. And this is based on what? Testimony? From who? Where did you get this information from?
If you can’t or won’t provide anything to support your conclusions, then how on Earth are we expected to simply take your word for it? Your supposed accolades are not enough to simply believe you. No one in their right mind would believe you just because you said so. So, you need to get that straight.
Like I said, the biggest problem I have with you is that you’re defending a murderer of a young unarmed male. If you don’t have anything to support your claims that he was dangerous, then I, as well as everyone else, will have to assume that you are disingenuous about your claims. And you have no one else to blame but yourself, bud.
In closing I will ask you again because you have a habit of ignoring certain questions, in the case with the 13 year-old black boy who was shot by his 75- year old white neighbor, will you honestly tell me that the older neighbor had a right to kill a little child to protect himself and his property?
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Tricycle riding bigoted clown that supports child murders? I wonder how the circus would feel and the parents of said circus would feel about your views. I can just see you making klan hoods out of balloons. Even your facebook friend is disgusted by your comments about Trayvon.
So are you going to answer Dave’s question? And you already showed your true nature when you called Sharina a mongrel. A waste of sperm and egg if there has ever been one.
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Excellent response, Cleonette.
So are you ever going to answer Dave’s question? How about my question for that matter about the other case? Why can’t you be a real man and answer us as we have answered to you?
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For those of you interested in keeping up with the case, George Zimmerman’s wife, Shellie, just got arrested for perjury.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-12/news/os-george-zimmerman-wife-arrested-20120612_1_perjury-charge-prosecutors-deputies
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@ Linda
Thank you for that. I will read up when I get the chance.
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I just heard about that. It’s getting worse and worse for Zimmerman.
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A lot of the comments I’ve read regarding Shellie Zimmerman being arrested for perjury is ridiculous. These commenters say Mrs. Zimmerman shouldn’t be at fault because the prosecutor was being overzealous. Say what?! She straight up lied under oath for crying out loud.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/04/lying-to-a-judge-what-was-george-zimmerman-thinking.html
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Amazing commentary on the Trayvon-killer’s defense case. The dynamics have truly changed with Zimmerman being proven to have lied repeatedly to the court under oath.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/26/george-zimmerman-evidence-police-doubt-self-defense_n_1628209.html?utm_hp_ref=canada&ir=Canada
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The tables turned on Trayvon’s killer: his lies are being torn apart.
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@ JT
Thank you for sharing this. As I have stated before small lies turn into big ones and he has officially put his foot in his mouth. The sad part is his story and what can be heard on 911 tapes does not add up at all. Man he is just stupid. I wonder what the Zimmerman supporters have to say now.
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ha ha now police doubt self defense?? this sounds highly political , according to martin supporters it was the police who let him go free(it was the states attourney who found this case was not worthy) . you people need to get your lies straight. it’s not about supportint zimmerman its’ about what the law states concerning syg. zimmerman passed a lie detector test the next day. please support your arguement the tapes don’t add up???? I’ve not heard anybody support claims with facts.
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anyway, zimmerman is a racist,so what if he is hispanic please there is a good percentage of hispanic that identify themself as white, even when they have african ancestry and features. racism is not just black and white, you have the white wannabes and white supporters as well. he is a racist. Do hispanic\ spanish racist sound better?
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@ circusboy9010
We have already established that you have no idea what the law states concerning syg. Also if you cared to view the article you would know that it states clearly what lies Zimmerman himself have been telling. His starting lies to his now lies. The article pretty much is breaking them down.
Also I would like you to pay close attention to the difference between a lie detector test and a voice analysis test. One is extremely inaccurate and guess which one Zimmerman actually took. Taking into consideration that he was possibly on medication at the time plays a major part in him passing any type of test.
Now I would actually like you to take your advice and support your statements with some facts for just once. Only once.
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@ circusboy9010
Seems to me it is about time Zimmerman starts getting his lies straight.
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@ Medium
I agree that many of them do identify as white. The more lies Zimmerman is getting caught in the more I am starting to question if he is not racist.
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Now the FBI investigation has concluded GZ is NOT a racist when he shot TM. *smh*
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/12/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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@ Leigh
Thanks for sharing. Although I am not surprised, I really hope this guy goes to jail.
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I don’t believe this Trayvon is as innocent as they make him look. I luv how the Black community luv to make noise when it’s a non-Black attacking a Black, yet the majority of the crimes against Blacks are done by other Blacks.
The numbers of shooting in the Black community should be an embarrassment, however they only make noise when it’s not about them.
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@ Anomymous
You know as much about the black community as you know about anything else. Which is nothing.
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@ Sharina:
Isn’t it interesting now that all these witnesses (people that George Zimmerman knew or were acquainted with) say there is no way he is racist. Even his former fiancée, whom he had attacked, commented GZ had friends from different racial groups. Yet this the same GZ who left a post on his MySpace page saying:
Not a racist? Riiiight. *sarcasm* Even if George Zimmerman wasn’t a racist, it doesn’t make Trayvon Martin any less dead.
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@ Leigh
I agree with you on that. Someone once mentioned him harassing an employee because of his ethnicity, so I guess they did not question him.
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@ Sharina:
The guy in question was of Middle Eastern descent. And he remarked GZ singled him out from the getgo portraying him as some terrorist named Achmed saying, “Noooo, I keel you!” Apparently, GZ enjoyed making comments in front of an audience at the former co-worker’s expense. Not only is he racist, but a douchebag as well.
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Now poor ol’ George has requested for a new judge because he feels the judge is biased against him. GZ alleged the judge should be removed from the case because the judge stated, “By any definition, the defendant has flaunted the system. It appears to this court that the defendant is manipulating the system for his own benefit.” Remember that “little” omission on GZ’s part regarding his assets at the last bail hearing? Heh, George Zimmerman didn’t like being called him out for the liar he is.
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@ Leigh
I hope the judge does not recuse himself. Zimmerman is proving to be a liar by his own merit and wants every person to that sees it to be removed.
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@ Sharina:
Exactly. GZ is one slick fellow trying to pull strings for his own benefit. His actions until now show he’s nothing, but a liar and a murderer.
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I am sick and tired of Zimmerman thinking that he is above the law!! What B.S.! Not only does he think that he is above the law but he also gets treatment that is superior than your average child killer. I would throw the book at him, including no bail, since the moment he was first arrested (which was way after when he should have been arrested).
He has to be the most infuriating racist bigot in recent memory.
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More testaments to Zimmerman’s character: he is now accused of molesting a family friend for over a decade:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/george-zimmerman-_n_1676729.html?utm_hp_ref=canada&ir=Canada
Watch for two results from the race realists: either spin to defend him from the liberal bias or them turning against Zimmerman for this crime and not the Trayvon murder.
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Some interesting quotations from another one of Zimmerman’s victims:
“I was afraid that he may have done something because the kid was black,” the witness told investigators. “Because growing up they’ve always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don’t like black people if they don’t act like white people. They like black people if they act white and other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people.”
“The woman said that Zimmerman’s Peruvian mother was among the more boastfully racist of the clan.”
“… she was coming forward when she did because she thought that Zimmerman might have shot and killed Martin because he was black, and that she finally felt safe enough to make a report when Zimmerman had gone into hiding after the shooting.”
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheets/2012/07/18/cheat-sheet.html#4
Surprise, surprise. Zimmerman slithers out from underneath his rock to face Hannity in whats sure to be a ridiculously soft-ball interview that portrays him in a positive light. Expect more anti-Trayvon lies. Do not expect the decade-long molestation of a family member accusations to be satisfyingly addressed.
Red-meat, white, American conservatives will be in heaven. It’s their icon GZ in primetime with one of their favorite hosts. It’s sickening.
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@jt vs like here where there are one sided anti zimmerman lies, half lies, outright lies, innuendo, myths, & boldfaced lies about the whole situation as if martin where not a criminal or a thug. remember the roofers who say who was breaking into the homes/??/ of course not that would come to close to home an show that martin really was casing homes that night.
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The clown is back! Literally and figuratively!
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I think GZ words “All in God’s Plan” summarize his position February 26th 2012. This guy is a certifiable right wing, racist, loony tune. God had *NOTHING* to do with you murdering Trayvon.
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thought this would be a fact filled non racist viewpoint here. seems like there are a lot of hate filled racist who are pronouncing a man guilty without even having all the facts the state does.
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My opinions are no more representative of other members on the board than yours of hispanic community more larger. Do yourself a favor and stop throwing straw men at us. Thanks.
On more factual news: Zimmerman demanded a month in a hotel for his interview with Barbara Walters. Its almost as if he thinks he is a celebrity for what he did:
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/bawa_no_deal_n5D91YJ6kJkpnN5AkpJ3YK#ixzz214GD4000
Chain yourself to the sinking ship of George Zimmerman, trash conservative racists. Please sink together.
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@ Abagond,
What is your opinion on the “All in God’s Plan” comment – do you see it as someone being nervous in an interview or as more reflective of his mentality more widely?
JT
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@ circusboy9010
The biggest lies are coming from Zimmerman supporters these days as they make every failing effort to justify the murder of Martin. Even you have made up several lies in an effort to justify it. He was casing house, he has a drug history, Martin was a thug/criminal, and the best one coming from you in regards to what the roofers saw.
“remember the roofers who say who was breaking into the homes/??/”—-The roofers actually did not see “who” was breaking into the homes. What they saw was two black males in the yard at the time of the break-in. Those same roofers spotted those two males with a white kid and another black kid on bike later that week. One of the boys out of the group was found with the stolen property and arrested. It was actually a total of 10 days and no burglaries when the incident happened with Zimmerman and Martin. He actually started to follow martin and call 911 because he thought his behavior was similar to what a criminal would act like.
As far as Zimmerman goes; what lie did anyone tell of him. He is a liar and has been doing that regularly.
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@ JT
Thank you so much for sharing that. This guy is mad crazy. Seriously he wants for someone else to pay for him and his wife to have a hotel room?!! What is he smoking??!!! I have to agree the thinks he has reached celebrity status.
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Hi Sharina,
Yes he is messed up – not through the so-called liberal media but through his actions and insanity!!! He needs to distinguish between ‘famous’ and ‘infamous’ so he can get a clue of how to act because he falls under category number 2.
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Memo to everyone.
Maybe this comes off as demanding or bossy or disagreeable.
But why the heck have people stopped posting on this thread (other than Sharina, Leigh204 and I – not counting Circusboy9010 who is even still here driven by his own racial animus) ???
Zimmerman is still loose.
Trayvon’s justice has not been reconciled with the tragic events of Feb. 26 2012. The outcome is undecided.
And what?
Nothing to say?
Sorry but either this thread needs to increase in traffic or another thread devoted to recent spat of racially motivated killings needs to take its place.
It might be hard but Trayvon and those like him need to be honored. He did not deserve to die nor be forgotten and dishonored by our racist media and legal system.
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*bump*
Zimmerman’s ‘bizarre’ legal week.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmermans-bizarre-week/2012/07/20/gJQA78SZyW_blog.html
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Barbara Walters on Zimmerman
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George Zimmerman went on national tv to do an interview which clearly shows it’s nothing short of sheer stupidity. Let’s hope Ol’ Georgy is given enough rope to hang himself. It’s only a matter of time.
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I agree Leigh. Zimmerman was misguided in his Hannity interview decision. He thought he could defuse something that was defusable: his guilt!!! No amount of his pretend sorrow for Trayvon will change things. As he said, he would not change a thing about how he acted – it was God’s plan.
Lock him away and throw away the key, Flordia judicial system.
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@leigh why would it be stupidity??? you clearly think he is guilty when you don’t have even as much evidence as the state did when they decided to drop this highly political case, for lack of evidence.
2jt you don’t know he is guilty. your pronouncing him guilty is showing your inherit racism.
@circusboy The biggest lies are coming from Zimmerman supporters these days as they make every failing effort to justify the murder of Martin. Even you have made up several lies in an effort to justify it. He was casing house, he has a drug history, Martin was a thug/criminal, and the best one coming from you in regards to what the roofers saw.
none of those things are lies they are known facts.
@circusboy“remember the roofers who say who was breaking into the homes/??/”—-The roofers actually did not see “who” was breaking into the homes. What they saw was two black males in the yard at the time of the break-in. Those same roofers spotted those two males with a white kid and another black kid on bike later that week. One of the boys out of the group was found with the stolen property and arrested. It was actually a total of 10 days and no burglaries when the incident happened with Zimmerman and Martin. He actually started to follow martin and call 911 because he thought his behavior was similar to what a criminal would act like.
reply…the roofers saw what eventually were the ones caught . this has been corroberated by the police .
As far as Zimmerman goes; what lie did anyone tell of him. He is a liar and has been doing that regularly.
so he lied about his money. that has nothing to do with his actions on that night. the court has no right to set his bail based on his income or amount of money on hand.
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The more that comes to light about Zimmerman is the more validated I am in my opinion that this guy is certainly troubled. He has a clear pattern of behavior of harassing other people. At least two other people have come forward now to expose past behaviors on his part to shed some light on this disturbing individual. I didn’t watch the whole interview, but I saw a clip of it, and the fact that he had the nerve to say that he wouldn’t change a thing about that night just goes to show his despicable nature, and how he thinks he is always right. He probably views himself as some kind of a martyr. Awful, self-aggrandazing POS.
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@ everyone
Zimmerman’s case is being funded by the Koch Bros. of wall street. They, being apart of the supremacist elite, will try valiantly to defend this man of murder. With enough money and the influence of wall street, he’ll probably walk away scott free.
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To truthbetold:
Zimmerman’s case is being funded by the Koch Bros. of wall street.
Do you have a link to this story..?
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@ circusboy9010
Zimmerman did not just lie about the bail bond money. He has told several lies about the incident itself. He got caught in one of those lies when the 911 tape came out. He originally stated that he never chased Martin but was attacked by him when he got out to get an address (just found this out). 911 tapes on the other hand revealed that he actually chased Martin.
Bail bond hearing he stated he thought Martin was a little younger than him. 911 tapes revealed he thought Martin was late teens. So his finance were not his first lie and I don’t think will be his last.
As far as what the roofers saw I do not dispute that they saw those that were caught, but I do dispute your belief that Martin was casing houses. He was not and to bring up that as a defense for your case was completely irrelevant. Everything you have said are lies and none of them are facts, because you can’t know facts if you were not there. Zimmerman never once said Martin was casing house so how do you know that to be fact? No criminal record has been released n Martin so how does he have a record? He had thc in his system that amounted to being smoked several days ago so how does that equal a drug history? See you will have no answers but you will come back talking about how it is fact and nothing to support it.
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@ circusboy9010:
Shouldn’t you be making balloon animals or something instead of lecturing us, what, with your EIGHT PhD’s and all? 😀
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“circusboy9010@
The biggest lies are coming from Zimmerman supporters these days as they make every failing effort to justify the murder of Martin. Even you have made up several lies in an effort to justify it. He was casing house, he has a drug history, Martin was a thug/criminal, and the best one coming from you in regards to what the roofers saw.
none of those things are lies they are known facts.”
Linda says,
Circusboy, why do you keep referring to Trayvon as a thug?
Was he in a gang? did he have a police record? or are you talking about the facebook picture with him wearing sagging pants?
Are you aware that the website everyone keeps talking about was not Trayvon Martins (the dead one that Zimmerman killed)—it belonged to another boy named Trayvon who is very much alive and lives in Georgia?
Are you calling the deceased Trayvon Martin a thug based on a living Trayvon’s facebook page?
The no longer living Trayvon did not have a facebook page prior to his death.
Michelle Malkin falsely reported that Trayvon had a website showing a picture of him with his pants down but she admitted that she was WRONG, and it was not Trayvon Martin.
Correction, 8:56 pm ET March 25, 2012: We made a mistake. The photo on the right is not of the Trayvon Martin who was shot by Zimmerman. We apologize to our readers and to the Martin family.
http://twitchy.com/2012/03/25/why-teamdueprocess-is-important-for-justice/
Excerpt from a Right-Wing news blog:
http://www.rightwingnews.com/crime/the-fake-trayvon-martin-flipping-the-bird-pic-vs-the-real-trayvon-martin-flipping-the-bird-pic/
“He’s got the pants hanging down and the double middle fingers flipped up. He looks like a thugged out little punk — and yes, you could definitely visualize him attacking George Zimmerman. The problem is, that’s not the real Trayvon Martin.
Before we go any further, let me note that not only have I not posted that picture here before, I have written on RWN and on Twitter that isn’t the real Trayvon Martin.
It came from the Facebook page of Trayvon Martin. This Trayvon Martin is from Savannah, Georgia, not Florida”
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that’s funny the biggest lies I’ve seen are from people supporting martin , a known criminal who was casing homes when spotted doing so attacked a law abiding citizen..
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“circusboy9010
that’s funny the biggest lies I’ve seen are from people supporting martin , a known criminal who was casing homes when spotted doing so attacked a law abiding citizen”
The only liar on this post is you, yuma circusboy. You have no proof showing this dead boy was a criminal but you think it’s OK to smear his name.
Responsible adults don’t make the decisions Zimmerman made and only cowards like you, get on an internet site and malign the dead.
Anybody who supports Adults who kill kids and teens are pieces of sh’t, just like you.
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@ circusboy9010
They are not lies and you would know that if you were into facts as you claim. Your whole argument of plea on facts is based solely on what Zimmerman said happened yet you dismiss the things he says based on what you want to believe happened. You weren’t there so you would be the liar in this case.
Point to one article or something where Zimmerman said Martin as casing houses??? Just one.
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@ circusboy9010:
Ah, so you ADMIT Zimmerman lied? lol! If he lied about his finances and his passport then what else could Zimmerman have lied about, Mr. Eight PhD’s? That’s right. He lied about what happened the night Trayvon Martin was killed. That’s what!
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only 7 phd’s nothing can be proven about the night things happened except for one thing one of the dregs of society was removed from our midst and buried in the ground like the trash he was.
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you make it seem like elite is a bad thing. elitism is a good thing. everybody should try to be the best at what they do. that is one of the bad things with today’s society. success has been demonized.
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George Zimmerman will be his own undoing. It’s only a matter of time.
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influence of wall street?? you make it seem like justice is for sale. this simply is not true. many billionares have gone to prison. it’s about what’s right and money just happens to buy attourney’s that know what the law is. stand your ground is a basic tenement and apply’s to mr. zimmermans case no matter who started the fight.
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Liegh204
So true. Recently I saw a story about sexual abuse allegations against him.
Whether that’s true or not, the guy’s a maniac just from what he already know.
By the way, I’m hoping they set up a defense fund for James Holmes. Maybe I should take the lead with that project! If gunning down innocents who are going about their business (watching movies or buying food) is a service to society he should get a medal.
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The names of six secret witnesses have been released.
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/20120725names_of_6_secret_witnesses_in_george_zimmerman_case_released/srvc=home&position=recent
The witnesses’ testimonies are interesting particulary this one:
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@ Origin:
Not only is he a killer, but a disgusting pervert, scumbag to boot!
Hey, if you need anything, donations and such, I’m there to lend a hand. Why shouldn’t we help out this outstanding pillar of society?
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@ Leigh and Origin
Why not donate when society plays vilify the victim and make a hero out of the criminal. We all might as well. It just makes me so sick listening to people call this boy a thug. Makes me even sicker seeing them make up lies in support of Zimmerman and still convince themselves it is not a lie.
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@ Sharina:
Yes, it sickens me, too, that Zimmerman supporters such as the inebriated-looking clown with the supposed multiple PhD’s don’t want to admit their hero is lying through his teeth. I pray that George will be exposed for the true SOB that he is.
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@ Leigh “George Zimmerman will be his own undoing. It’s only a matter of time.”
I’ll bet that’s what you said about Duke Lacrosse and Tawana Brawley, too.
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@ abagond:
Duckduckgoofs is trying to rile me up, but it won’t work, though.
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Thanks abagond.
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@ Duck
I really wish people would stop bringing that up because it is irrelevant to this case. Those in the case got found out to be liars fairly quickly did they not??? Just as Zimmerman is being found out to be a liar fairly quickly as well.
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George Zimmerman’s wife, Shellie, has pleaded not guilty to perjury according to her lawyer. She outright lies to the court under oath and it’s recorded, too, and she’s not guilty? Imagine that.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/20120728shellie_zimmermans_new_attorney_files_not-guilty_plea_on_her_behalf/srvc=home&position=recent
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@ Abagond
My mouth dropped when I read that. I am still speechless.
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Ol’ Georgie Porgie has requested the judge to stop a court order regarding his medical records. All this talk about George fighting for his life and all the injuries he sustained during his confrontation with Trayvon Martin seems questionable. If what George says is true then why stop the court order? Hmm. Curiouser and curiouser.
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/George-Zimmerman-Wants-to-Stop-Subpoena-for-Medical-Records-166896766.html
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zimmerman is not my heroe. stand your ground as a law being upheld is my goal!!! it does not matter who starts the fight to stand your ground it matters the person who kills another person was fearing their life.
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@ Circusboy
Do you even fully understand that law or are you just spouting what you were told?
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@ Sharina:
The clown has 7 PhD’s. Of course, he fully understands the “Stand Your Ground” law. 😉
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Circusboy came back?? Haven’t we suffered enough.
Anyway, circusboy, you know good and well that you would call for an execution if the races of the shooter and victim was reversed. You’ve made it known how much you know black people through nothing but stereotypes.
And like Sharina said, you probably don’t even know what the law is about. You only go by what you were told, and you seem to hold on to that very well.
Seriously, let it go.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZMQRXr3Ers&feature=context-vrec yes it is basic english and exonerates mr. zimmerman.
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no I know all races from experiences working with all people from all creeds in the world’s largest entertainment company. I have m ade friends from people all over the world!!!! keep your racist rants away from me or my life.
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yes the law specifically states it does not matter who the initial agressor was, only that the person who kills the other one was in fear of theirl life being taken. pretty much basic english. only a racist would twist those facts to mean anything else.
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@ Circusboy
Nowhere in that law does it say it does no matter who started it. The law specifically has a section for “The Aggressor,” so where are you getting this idea that it does not matter who started it?
“only a racist would twist those facts to mean anything else.—-So true and you have been twisting them since day one.
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@ Circus
The youtube video was a joke and failed to take into account may things. Even though author pointed out his own error. *smh
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yes sharina read the law I’m not a racist I love everybody equally , that is a reason why I alway’s have a free place to stay no matter where I’m @. here it is once again.
776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
read part a after the (2) this is what is described by travon beating the mans head into the sidewalk. just that alone exonerates mr. zimmerman. I don’t care if zimmerman was green or purple or trayvon was yellow!!! the law is what is important!!!! racist’s are making this into a situation that it’s not about.
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Circusboy,
Talking with you is like going around in circles and I’m starting to get dizzy from reading your responses. We’ve already established not once, not twice, but more times than we care to count that you have said racist things in regard to the victim and the color of people he belongs to.
It’s also been established that you have twisted the facts to support your conclusion that Martin was the aggressor. You’ve anything to make Zimmerman out to be the victim and he clearly wasn’t. He was an overzealous vigilante who took a young man’s life. Period. End of story. See ya later.
What’s not so surprising is that you are still hung up on this issue. You can’t change out minds, nor can you convince us with your arguments. We stand by what we believe to be true. If you think different, go ahead. But don’t lash out at the rest of us when you know you’re faltering badly.
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@ Circusboy
Just because you always have a place to stay does not conclude you are not racist so you can quit using that as a conclusion that you are not racist. That just means you have some nice and humble people in your life, but says nothing about you.
Secondly, I put the law in there in the first place and I have access to lexis nexis so I know full well what the law means, but you have only copied and pasted it to prove my point.
Think about what aggressor means. It is the individual that started an altercation. Now if the law did not care who started it, then why would it even need a section for the aggressor? It would be pointless to outline the duties of the aggressor only to say it does not matter who started it.
Please start using some common sense.
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@circusboy:
You’re like the Timex watch ad;’takes a licking and keeps on ticking.
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being an aggressor does not mean you release your right to remain alive. no I have not made any racist statements. yes having friends of all creeds all over the planet does indicate my lack of racism , or they would see right through me! it is not twisted to know martin had the motiviation to be the aggressor as his activities had been discovered. he is a known thief and drug user.
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the victim is not always the dead person!!! the media has ignored hundreds of similiar situations where blacks have killed whites in hatred. for the record I’m black/german/spanish/cuban/mexican. I’m more of a minority than any of you!!!
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@ Circusboy
Did I say that? You are avoiding the question in it entirety. You stated and I quote ” It does not matter who started it.” My question to you was that if it does not matter who started it then why does the law have a section outlining the duties of the aggressor? That has a simple answer to it and I was wondering if you would get some integrity and answer it but I see you want to beat around the bush.
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no beating around thebush here. fact accordinge to the law zimmerman is innocent because he was fighting for his life. it does not matter who started it though most likely martin was the aggressor.
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If Zimmerman had struggled with Martin, as he has claimed, if the two had struggled, wrestled and fought the way Zimmerman said, in all likelihood Zimmerman’s gun (and holster) would have bore it out — there would have been fingerprints, sweat, or some other form of DNA to support that fact. But guess what? None found.
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there is not alway’s going to be any of those things just be present just because there was a struggle! sweat does not have dna. what you are suggesting is entirely circumstantial evidence that is not present on every part of every piece of evidence. you are twristing the facts to suit your position.
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@ grin and bear it:
Martin’s DNA wouldn’t be on the grip of the gun because it’s obvious Zimmerman was in control of the gun. Look at the aftermath.
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Zimmerman’s lies are finally catching up to him. The snivelly weasel, he is.
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I hope Leigh, I hope so. He has spat on Trayvon’s memory too often for too long. So have the fans of Zimmerman. Like Circusboy9010. Clown-in-Chief.
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Is circusboy still defending Zimmerman??
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@ JT:
I’m crossing my fingers…AND toes that Zimmerman will be punished because his actions from Day One have demonstrated he is a liar, cheater, and a murderer. Martin’s family has been through so much and I pray they will finally get the justice they deserve.
@ brothawolf:
What can you expect from someone will multiple PhDs. I mean, really. It’s fricking DNA evidence, how can anyone refute that?
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I can’t even believe the things that circusboy will argue.
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no I’m defending justice, of which zimmerman just happens to be on the right side of. there is no reason for martins prints or dna to be on the gun.
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For someone who doesn’t care about one man, he sure spends a lot of time on blogs about him.
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again brothawolf it’s about the law and justice. stand your ground is a great law and needs tobe upheld . zimmerman is just a victim of racial bias in the media against anyone who is not black. lot of time??? more like a few minutes a day or so .
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He;s not even using the stand your ground law….Move on already…uh…
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So originally Circusboy was just a White Mexican, and now he’s a Black/White/Cuban/”Spanish”/Mexican? LOL! Ethnicities are not trading cards that you just happen to pick up, you dolt!
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I”ve alway’s been all the above. franklin. my black greatuncle in cuba has ancestors in spain , my indiod mother is mixed from mexico. your the dolt !!! oh my pigmentation is what you see somewhat white. as there is no race of mexicans however there are aztecs, tultecs, & mulmec indians there, also there are chineses , german & many other cultures. so yes I am all those things.I also speak many languages unlike your ignorant american ass.
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@ Franklin
If you listen to him long enough he will tell you about his 7 phds and world travel. LMFAO
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@ circusboy
Whoa slow down. Speaking different languages does not make you less ignorant. Much of what you say in here is based on pure ignorance.
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To Cleonette:
He;s not even using the stand your ground law….Move on already…uh…
There will be a hearing next April to determine if Zimmerman’s actions fall within the “Stand your ground” law:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/121026/zimmermans-stand-your-ground-hearing-set-april
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@ Circusboy
The Mesoamericans you meant are called “Toltec”, not “Tultec”. Notice that you spelled “Mulmec” correctly, which leaves me to believe (once again) that you’re full of it. Because who actually misspells the ethnic group they belong to? Oh, those who only belong to them on an internet forum. You’re a white, Anglo, fraud/pretender, and nothing more.
And being mixed, as you desperately want us to believe, (but clearly aren’t) doesn’t protect you from being a complete dolt.
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nope I”m not a toltec though I have some pueblo blood. I”m anything but a anglo.there is nothing ignorant about facts. here is another one if tm was so innocent why did his dad call juvy hall before he filed a missing persons report?? yes speaking more languages does mean lack of ignorance. of course one like you who speaks only one cannot understand the study of words and semantics or how learning and travel kill ignorance and prejudice like the stuff in your brain. we are all created equally and we all quickly become not so, this is a good thing and a thing to be celebrated. not all mexicans have aztec blood nor is there a race of mexicans or spaniards though we do have a very interdependent social structure and very much intermingling of races and cultures.. anything but white though as us spaniards were slaves for 900 years and the moors have a very strong genetic influence. not that there is anything wrong with being cocozoid. beginning to believe you trolls on here are very inherently racists’.
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@ Circusboy
Do you know the definition of ignorance or is it a word you think sounds pretty and use it. Like the 7phd lies you keep flipping. You keep assuming you are the only one in here that speaks other languages thus your own ignorance. You belie e you know the truth of this case and the world. Thus further ignorance. You believe several languages and world travel measures intelligence…all things that deapen your ignorance.
I called your bluff several times and several times you fail to provide proof of your so called facts. If half of what you day is true then you have links right? Of all the languages you speak you cant name one…of all the phds you have you don’t realize that the United States only offers 3 in the field you claim to have it all in…Martin was so bad and did everything under the sun but still no links or anything.
I proudly learned and speak Tagalog and Korean and will be learning Spanish in the next year, so get over yourself.
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@ circusboy
More languages just means you can spread your ignorance in different languages, but it does not stop you from being ignorant.Your intent dictates that. I know Tagalog and Korean because of respect and love for my friends who did not speak English very well. So this just proves what everyone already knew…You wouldn’t know truth if it was tattooed on you.
I am sure many people in here know different languages, but you own bias and racism allowed you to conclude otherwise. Keep talking because you prove my points so well.
My comment is in moderation.
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good for you on your learning . you are very wrong about those fields. a phd can be in anything you want to and one can make their own degrees. though I did not and they are offeryed. I’m not going to do your work for you. if you think tm is so innocent prove it.http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002704640
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of all the languages I speak?? ok spanish, english, both very well . some of the following german, russian, french, japanese, chinese, italian, & old latin.
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@ circusboy9010
I know phds can be in different fields but it was actually you who told everyone that you have 7 phds in engineering alone. I even looked it up and provided a link to prove you wrong. I have done nothing but your work for you sir (the whole room has to be correct) and you still are looking for me to do it which I refused to further.
Secondly you are starting to scramble by switching things around deflect on the non-answers you have. I never said Martin was an angel. I said he was a teenager and like many teenagers he is not perfect, but I still believe Zimmerman was over-zealous in his response. Not sure what point you want to prove in the link, but seems like you want to show me an unreliable witness who first supported Zimmerman and now has no idea who was screaming. Not much of proof..sorry.
Congrats on those languages.
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there are more than one phd in every field. you tell me what it matters who was screaming?? a person can be screaming while on top of another person out of rage too. it just seems all of this attacking of a man protecting his neighborhood is racially incited by racist’s on here, that twist facts to suit their agenda. yes a whole room can be wrong when they share the same hatred for anything not black. overzealous?? it’s not illegal to follow someone on private property. if the kid was so innocent he would not have attacked mr zimmerman.
knoowledge is power!!!
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@ Circusboy
I am clearly stating to you again “I Know That There is More than one PHD in every field.” I am clearly aware of this, but you seem to repeat this and avoid what I am saying to you and what I have in the past provided links for you to see. It was you who stated that you have 7 PHDs in Engineering (not any other fields). You may be referring to the different disciplines of engineering, but so far you do not go into detail because you know clearly people can look it up and prove you wrong.
That may be the case that a person is screaming while on top of another person but why would they. It is just stupid for them to be screaming. That statement is a twist of facts or shall I say logic. Now you may want to go on and on about racism but like always you are the only one bringing it up. Do you not find that odd? Especially when you keep claiming people in here make it about race, yet you are always bring up race?
I did not say it was illegal to follow someone on property (it was not Zimmerman’s private property to have the right to follow Martin on); I clearly stated over-zealous which by the way means “marked by excessive enthusiasm for and intense devotion to a cause or idea; “rabid isolationist.”
You have no idea if Martin attacked him or not. You were not there so again speaking on lack of information and ignorance.
Knowledge is power if you use it.
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same lack of information you people are using to crucify him. he was authoried to do what he did and the whole neighborhood is private propety of the hoa. I’m not screaming over anybody. yes people have been knwn to scream in victory or while winning. . it does not have to be logical to be true. do you know about the rampant break ins around that area that started when tm moved in there?? do you know about the roofers that saw kids that fit tm’s description that were caught day’s later stolen goods?? do you know about the crime wave that stopped when tm was killed? how bout some facts instead of opinions or emotionally charged ones?? give ya a clue one phd is in advance composite materials construction , another fluid dynamic computation.
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@circusboy
I never crucified him, but only pointed out the discrepancies in many of his very own statements. The neighborhood is private but yet again he does not own any of it. In any situation you follow people at your own risk. Private property or not.
I never said you were screaming. People do scream when they are winning (depends on what they are screaming) but who in heck screams help when they are winning? That is not logical like it or not.
Martin was visiting not living there and those break-ins started before and one individual (that I am aware of) has been arrested. The crime wave stopped before Martin was killed. Do better research because it was a week later that Martin was killed. Zimmerman stated himself that it has been a week since the robberies. In case you have not notice a lot of what I have gone by is based on what came out of Zimmerman’s mouth which he later either changes or is refuted by evidence.
If you have those degrees why would you be needing to give me a clue? You either have them or you do not. Simple as that and no games necessary. Like I said before I know the different ones as well as the disciplines, but just want to watch what lie you will spin.,
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sure you do??? anyway’s you seem to be coming down to earth from your lofty perch. yes some of the information came out of zimmermans mouth. and alot of the other facts are gleamed from other sources, the 7-11 camera, tm own parents, the other witnesses. however zimmerman was the one yelling as he was getting his head bounced off the concrete. there has been no investigation in sound forensics to prove or disprove who’s screams they were. they were a little deep and unwavering for a teenager. I say age does not matter when you attack an adult. period. this is like hitting a woman , there are certain things a woman can do to disqualify her as such and she deserves her jaw broken just like a man . I only know about the crime wave stopping from others in his area blogging about it. if he were walking around my hood he would recieve the same scrutiny .being followed in a strange neighborhood by a well dressed person does not give the person the right to attack that person . especially in a gated community. in many of those places it would not be strange to follow a stranger (not everbody knew they kid was there visiting and his style of dress did not fit in with community standards). the only reason a person would have to attack someone is an affluent community while being followed is because they were up to no damned good. period. this is reality. ask your self those questions and how you would feel if they only persons caught and noted by eye witness to be casing and robbing homes in that area fit the description of gangbanger teens like tm. noting reality is not racist, nor is profiling. you will see that the first time the fbi used profiling it worked perfectly . why??? because if it dresses like a gangbanger ,99% of the time it is a worthless gangbanger. my degrees?? lady i don’t care if you believe me or not. I will be using my education for my inventions and I don’t need to impress anyone here , because more than likely nobody here has the $300k I need to make my inventions happen. I can do it with much less if I work really hard. good day to you , namaste.
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What do you mean, YOU PEOPLE?!
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Somebody’s off his rocker again. lol!
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Lol! 🙂
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@ circusboy
Sure I do what? All the things i said are the same things I have always said on this board, but when you lack comprehensions skills such as you then you fail to understand that.
The 7-11 video proves nothing other than his last day of life, his parents have not said much about him other than his character which does not dictate much other than a teenage boy (something else I said before), and the witnesses you claim to say has all this information have really nothing else other than anyone else has, so it all falls on the testimony of Zimmerman. You need to get your head straight so you can get out of the looney bin you are in.
Even the bloggers have said the same thing and was part of the article that showcased Zimmerman’s story. They clearly stated that the robberies happened a week before the shooting. Guy was caught and they stopped, so again do your research.
You are correct I don’t believe you because I know people who have engineering degrees and they are not shy of stating their degrees and field. They don’t play guessing games like you do which only proves the point of what you don’t have. I will again say stop concluding you know what people have and don’t have because you will find yourself with the stupid face like you did when you concluded you are the only one to know several languages.
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@ Leigh
When was he ever on it? LOL. I think I struck a nerve with the 7 phds. LOL!
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@ King
I wonder that too because he not to long ago said he was black. LOL!
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I meant you people on here. what else did you think I mean?? yes I’m black i’ve been told my whole life Im not white. my great uncle is black as theh ace of spades. so if I”m not white mongolian indiod or oriental I must be black. grew up listening to black music, along with music from all cultures. definitely not white.
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What music you listen to does not dictate your race? Should I tell my dad to stop claiming he is black because he listens to country. This is the type of ignorant stuff you say that makes you not credible.
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Oh my goodness. Circusboy, why are you always here if you, as you’ve said before, don’t care about George Zimmerman?
And I won’t even sink myself to reply to your lamest response to date, the response where you said that you must be black simply because you grew up listening to black music. By your logic, I must be Japanese because I listen to Japanese pop. LOL!
Seriously, everytime you type, you weaken the nation. Get a life already.
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I am for demoracy and freedom, you wolves are attacking a innocent man. my interest is in stand your ground law being applied where it is applicable here. I’m black because I did not grow up speaking english and us spaniards have about 30% black in us. my great uncle was a hatuey indidan in cuba. blacker than most blacks here in the usa. so yea having black music around was indicative of my upbringing. serously people laugh when people like you talk. they know that political correctness is so idiotic.
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@ circusboy
Do you hear yourself? Black music?? What exactly constistutes black or white or even asian music? Music is music and your statements are the root of your ignorance. Read what you type for once in your life. Black skin in my book does not constitute being black but only a ignorant individual like you who constantly pushes the white racist agenda would say that. My husband it lighter than you and still marks black on his paperwork.
Nothing that was said had anything to do with politics or even political correctness so what in all get out are you even talking about?
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@sharina. do you hear yourself? each culture does have their own music. music is not music. tell wat you said to any other music ethinologist other than me , and wait about 2 seconds for the hilarious laughter. whte racist agenda? I”M black and have been told that m whole life I”m not white because I speak spanish. de naciamento. it’s not white racist agenda to know we all have differences. get a grip
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@brothawolf. why are you here? to promote your racist agenda? so now facts are stupidity? I care about justice which people like you don’t care for if it’s not for a black person. you are the worst kind of racist and are worse than any kind of kk member. facts don’t make us weaker racist agenda like yours do.
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Miguel Angel Miguel, are you drinking?
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@ Miguel Angel Miguel
I hear myself but do you even comprehend what I said? I never said each culture does not have it’s own music. What I said was “What exactly constistutes black or white or even asian music?” That is a question not a statement. Notice the question mark. I never knew black or white could be considered a culture.
Secondly you don’t have to be white to push a white racist agenda. Again please learn to read and comprehend because you have no idea what ignorance you have spewed in which I have concluded you are pushing a white racist agenda. (fyi it has nothing to do with differences).
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why would a push an agenda that does not meat my cultures needs? I would explain about music but you don’t have the intellegence to comprehend. usually racist are not very intelligent.
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@ Miguel Angel Miquel
You tell me. I am not the idiot pushing white racist agenda. I am pretty good a reading people but I must admit I am no mind reader into the stupid. You speak on not having intelligence yet was not smart enough to spell it right nor to press respond next to the person who you are actually talking to. I guess because you could not intellectually debate me on anything else you might as well try music, although I am sure if you actually did understand it you would explain it. I can chunk this into yet another category that you pretend to know stuff about. Oh yes. I am so racist that I better tell my husband that I no longer love him because I am racist again Hispanics and others like him. I must disown my children as well too because there is no way I should be married to anyone outside of my race.
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Correction against*—comment in moderation.
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[…] – killed by neighbourhood watchman George Zimmerman, white Hispanic. No charges till after nationwide protests. Found not […]
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Fcuk that pos! Zimmerman had the absolute nerve to retweet a graphic photo of Trayvon Martin’s body. Ugh, this guy is disgusting!
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@leigh204
That is why I believe that anyone who thought he was innocent is stupid.
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George Zimmerman is a POS he is a sociopath and when karma comes he needs to understand that when karma returns it is a sharp knife.
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Ugh. That piece of garbage is now auctioning the gun he used to kill Trayvon Martin. He even has the gall to say it’s “a piece of history”.*smh*
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His mother is 1/4 Spanish, 1/2 Amerindian, and 1/4 Black.
He doesn’t look remotely White, rather he looks like a typical Hispanic.
But of course, you need to make him White to demonize him.
I see how you operate.
You underestimate the sheer genius firepower of my very good brain.
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Stop boozing it up!
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@Herneith. I don’t booze. You booze, you lose.
You are just jealous of me because I have a manliness you can only dream of.
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Metaphorically speaking, you are drunk on white supremacy.
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@Herneith – no no no I love all people. Just that race goes there, that other race over there, and this race here.
It’s like how you don’t put ketchup on a hot dog – you don’t put Moslems or Mexicans in America.
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@Bobby M
“Just that race goes there, that other race over there, and this race here.”
If you truly believe that, when are you moving back to Europe?
Europeans are the ones who overran the world and inserted themselves (in more ways than one) into stable, intelligent and wealthy societies.
Those European brigands made their beds and you get to lie in it…sweet dreams.
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@Bobby M:
That’s rich coming from someone descended from thieving parasites who invaded the continent, slaughtered and enslaved, committed cultural genocide the list is almost limitless. I could go on but I am sitting here eating a cranberry scone and having a cup of tea!
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Yeah right, some chest-beating, tomahawk-waving, cannibal natives were definitely the intellectual equals of Shakespeare, Franklin, Milton, and Leonardo.
For sure.
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@Bobby M
So when are you moving back to Europe?
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Looks like this PoS got punched in the face at a restaurant after bragging about murdering Trayvon Martin.
http://www.wftv.com/news/officials-george-zimmerman-punched-in-face-for-allegedly-bragging-about-killing-trayvon-martin/417278308
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George Zimmerman suing Trayvon Martin’s family, attorney and others for $100 million
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-zimmerman-suing-trayvon-martin-family-attorney-100-million-2019-12-04/
Bastard has the audacity to feel victimized after getting away with murder.
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@ Origin
I think he just misses the limelight. Plus his funds donated by fellow White supremacists may be running low.
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@Afrofem
It really does seem like a cry for attention, doesn’t it?
But it takes a sick person to embrace being a child murderer as his claim to fame.
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I need for karma to gather this fiend quickly. He’s a sociopath. God bless Trayvon’s parents.
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