Trayvon Martin’s family shares personal pictures with GlobalGrind. Pictures courtesy of Martin/Fulton family.
Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/Trayvon-Martin-9-Days-Before-Death-Photo#ixzz1sIoGb8Rj
The pictures of him in the orange Reeses’s T-shirt were apparently taken nine days before he died.
Thanks to deedee7789 who linked to these pictures in the comments of The Thuggification of Tryvon Martin.
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Where are all the “gold teeth” and “thug life” posturing I have heard from Racist Whites, He just seems like a typical 17 y.o.kid from the pictures. I think those people have watched too many ‘Lil Wayne”, Snoop Dogg and “Rick Ross” videos. Those three rappers are ‘entertainers’, they are supposed to scare decent people.
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Beautiful family and a respectable young man.
RIP Trayvon.
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Yeah, a “nice” kid. Except he attacked an armed man and paid the price. May his death be a lesson and a warning to other thugs, of all colors, that the armed citizenry is no longer going to take it any more.
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It’s so heartbreaking. Trayvon was a handsome young man, and he looks like the sweet kid his friends describe. The other thing revealed in the photos is that his parents have provided a variety of opportunities for him, interesting experiences to round out his perspective coupled with a supportive extended family.
I’m a believer in the right to possess and use weapons for legitimate self defense, but this ain’t it. Zimmerman was a vigilante loser wanna-be cop, trying to make himself into the hero and man he knows in his heart he never will be. In his amateur zeal, he lost sight of the possibility that a kid walking down the street migh just be … a kid walking down the street. He picked a fight with the kid, wasn’t man enough to finish what he started, so he shot the kid. There is no interpretation of those facts that supports a conclusion of legitimate self defense. If Zimmerman escapes criminal punishment (which is a real possibility under a literal reading of the overbroad language in Florida’s SYG statute) it will be a travesty of the highest magnitude.
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I need a break from this. It’s too much.
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You can tell Trayvon enjoyed being around his family. Very sweet. It saddens me this young man had so much promise and in an instant, his life is over. Btw, Bliff, shut your trap. You have no shame. Disgusting.
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Bliff,
try something new like shutting the h’ll up and growing a pair of ba’ls, you cowardly, disrespectful, worthless, POS, racist doushe. Get off this board, you are not welcome here.
Abagond, can you at least ban this vermin for awhile, he is a disgrace to the decency of normal human beings…this shoe-bottom human waste has taken up enough space here and adds absolutely NOTHING of value when he speaks.
It’s at your discretion that he is here, I think he has served his purpose and should be shown the door.
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@ Linda:
Regarding Bliff, I’d stick a virtual foot up where the sun doesn’t shine. 😉
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Trayvon Martin RIP, I hope Zimmerman gets life.
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leigh204,
Amen to that. I can’t stand Losers who can only talk tough using a keyboard.
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@Linda, Leigh204
Such nice young ladies and some of my biggest fans. How civil they are.
Get off this board, you are not welcome here.</i.
Sorry, Linda, you don't get to decide who is and isn't welcome. Maybe you're not welcome.
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Bliff,
My mother told me to be kind to animals and idiots, but POS like you don’t classify as an animal, and since you’re dumber than a rock, you don’t classify as an “idiot”.
Don’t worry, Abagond will get to you soon enough, coward with a keyboard.
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Linda, Leigh
Co-sign
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Like it or not, Bliff offers a plausible (albeit insensitive) scenario.
We don’t know if Martin really attacked Zimmerman as Zimmerman alleges, but it’s certainly a possibility. Anyone who completely discounts that, particularly when presented with happy family photos of the deceased, is an irrational person.
“Blanc2” provides a perfect example of irrational thinking.
Blanc2 has no way to know if a “fight” was picked, and what type of fight that would be, and then ignores the possibility that Martin ended up beating Zimmerman in such a way the Zimmerman justifiably uses lethal force.
I don’t think this gross display of non-rational thinking would bother me so much if it were confined to a few internet fora, but my God it’s everywhere.
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Bliff, delusional as usual….you are a waste of space
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Randy,
believe it not, normally I don’t mind you..but you need to step aside on this one.
Nobody on this post cares about Zimmerman.
Abagond posted this as a memorial Trayvon Martin.
It would be nice if you can whip out your “human” side and show some respect to the dead and the people who would like to acknowledge this boys life and death.
We didn’t know this boy and neither did you…but RESPECT is a human trait and not hard to honor.
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@Blanc2
I’m a believer in the right to possess and use weapons for legitimate self defense, but this ain’t it.
But it seems time and time again that some people can’t seem to rationalise what is legitimate and what isnt or else they ‘choose’ to flout the law and attempt to make their reason for shooting be within the confines of the law. Either way it demonstrates that in the main, people are not responsible enough generally to be licensed to carry guns.
Think of some of the commenters on here, the cyberscum that probably are licensed gun carriers – do you think they would use their guns legitamately OR attempt to legitimise Illegitimate gun use. You could be going round in circles for day, years even in some cases.
It seems some people shouldnt even be trusted with a sharp pencil let alone a gun.
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Abagond, Please delete my comments that are in moderation.
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Awe this reminds me of my 13 year old brother. I like these pictures and I want to see more of that too. Trayvon Martin was an handsome and respectable kid. He will be missed by his family, friends, the Black community and hopefully America.
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@Randy
Like it or not, Bliff offers a plausible (albeit insensitive) scenario
I would be appalled if anyone would go to a funeral and say – ‘that f*cker deserved to die, he should have been more careful crossing the road, now X could face going to prison for drink driving because of this’ or would you write in a bereavement card ‘i’m glad XXXXX died, she was a drain on the Health care system – who told her to have unprotected sex with her husband (who was having an affair) contract AIDS and die, she was a waste of space?’
Randy – Do not waste my time analysing the scenarios above. The only thing that I am trying to demonstrate here is that people think these things….maybe, but, out of decency, when a dedicated method of memorial such as this blog to enable commenters to pay their respects, others should allow this to happen without insensitive remarks.
Having identified the comment is insensitive, be a decent individual for once and follow through with what you say rather than skirting round the issue and doing you ‘jury’s out’ approach to commenting.
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Randy: It’s possible that Zimmerman’s self-serving account of events is what actually happened. Possible, but not plausible, given what we know. The universe of information about those critical moments preceding the physical confrontation is small, and much of it has been reported.
There are two living witnesses. One is Zimmerman himself, who has had a couple of community college classes on law enforcement and an amateur interest in police work — enough so that he had begun using a pidgin of hollywood police jargon in his many calls to the police; enough to learn how to create a lie that might exonerate him — and who obviously has a huge dog in the hunt: preserving his own skin.
The other is Trayvon’s girlfriend, who has stated that she heard Zimmerman confront Trayvon physically. She may also be biased, but she has far less motive to lie than Zimmy.
Zimmerman said that he exited his vehicle for the purpose of ascertaining location information to relay to the police. This rings false given the almost autistic persistence with which Zimmerman has patrolled this small neighborhood for the year or so he has lived there, including numerous calls to the police. It smacks of a lie. Zimmerman knew exactly where he and Trayvon were. He didn’t need to exit his vehicle to figure that out.
We also know that Zimmerman’s was somewhat of a loser, a difter sponging off his dad, with no history of ambition or acheivement. The one thing he did have, though, was a couple of “victories” in his neighborhood watch role — a few instances where he was able to alert the police to a genuine bad guy, and apparently once when he personally collared some kid who was engaged in a crime. A few atta-boys from neighbors. It was the one piece of his life that gave him a sense of accomplishment, a feeling of worth as an individual. It’s easy to see how his fantasy life became focused on a craving for more hero stuff. In other words, Zimmerman had a personal motive to confront Trayvon. “All right, Mr. DeMille, I’m ready for my close-up.”
We don’t know much about the physical evidence (ballistics, etc.). We do know that the location of the shooting — far from a street, in the area of a pedestrian walkway between rows of houses — also impeaches Zimmerman’s story. Zimmerman would not be in that place if his intent was to ascertain location. He could only have been there to confront Trayvon.
The prosecution team may attempt to introduce in character evidence of Trayvon. Based on the character evidence that we know of him via the media, Zimmerman’s account doesn’t seem consistent with Trayvon’s personality, never mind it’s not particularly consistent with general human nature. Most people would not go off, unprovoked, vs an annoying, pestering individual, no matter how weird he seems. This would be particularly true of a teenage boy talking on the phone to his girlfriend. Girls are catnip to boys. An alligator could be gnawing on his leg, but if she’s whispering sweet stuff in his ear he’s not gonna notice. Never mind the fact that, unless he himself was physically attacked, Trayvon had zero motive to confront Zimmerman unprovoked within feet of his front door.
I recognize that a jury might decide anything. Among litigators it’s generally perceived that jurors are for the most part inattentive idiots who don’t understand the proceedings and whose results are at best random, and sometimes worse than random because they can be swayed by emotion or prejudice. Thus, in a trial it’s anyone’s guess as to what might happen.
However, there is enough public information to reach a pretty solid conclusion about what actually lead to the confrontation. I stand by my conclusion.
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@Bliff:
The closest thing to a fan you’ll ever get is when people fan their faces when you fart. 😀
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Linda and Demerera,
Point taken. I’m not a very sentimental person and so didn’t recognize this post as being outside of the debate on the issue.
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@Demerera
‘that f*cker deserved to die
Unfortunately, Demerera, NOBODY has said anything like this. Throughout this entire Treyvon Martin stint on this blog, many have said “he didn’t deserve to die”, while NO ONE has said “he deserved to die.”
The entire Treyvon Martin case has nothing to do with anyone “deserving” anything. As usual, in this unfortunate incidents, a series of events unfolds that ends up tragicially.
Any change in any of the events, any change in any decision and action by any of the players would have changed the outcome. If GZ had not followed TM, if GZ did not have his gun, if TM did not attack GZ or had gotten off of him when he started screaming, then the shooting would not have taken place.
There’s no “deserving” in any of this. Like a Greek Tragedy, that so much of life is, it’s what “happens” that counts. We are all responsible for all of our actions that lead up to any outcome. That makes GZ and TM both responsible for what happened.
The legal disposition of the case is another matter. The law has to be uniform and applied uniformly, and has to defined to apply Justice as best as it can in the vast majority of cases with some what differing details.
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@ Bliff,
“I would do it again” –
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/anders-breivik-tells-norwegian-court-i-would-do-it-again-7653557.html
– this is what your kind is distilled to. Blind rage and hate. Doesn’t matter that in Norway it took 77 lives as a preemptive strike on multiculturalism or in Sanford Florida it took 1 life as a preemptive strike on Blacks. The same gasoline fills your tanks.
Which is how you can so easily concoct a diabolical scenario wherein you think Trayvon would deserve to die.
Another tragedy in this story is how you and Anders are alive but already dead. You could have both contributed to a fundamentally more peaceful society but instead you peddle hate. That is a tragedy in and of itself.
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@JT
Your opinion is wack. There is no similarity at all between the TM case and the Breivik cases. You and the other racists just want to call “Raciss” whenever you get a chance, like in the TM case.
Which is how you can so easily concoct a diabolical scenario wherein you think Trayvon would deserve to die.
If you wrote this after reading my post at Tue 17 Apr 2012 at 15:46:41, then you are truly an idiot. In that post I explained why “deserving” plays no part in the TM case at all.
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American is so racially gaslit that racism seems “normal”, but on a post like this the racists come out in the light of day and we can see their scales. They are more ugly than even we imagined.
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Bliff
@JT
Your opinion is wacko. There is no similarity at all between the TM case and the Breivik cases. You and the other racists just want to call “Raciss” whenever you get a chance, like in the TM case.
Which is how you can so easily concoct a diabolical scenario wherein you think Trayvon would deserve to die.
If you wrote this after reading my post at Tue 17 Apr 2012 at 15:46:41, then you have no idea what you are talking about. In that post I explained why “deserving” plays no part in the TM case at all.
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Abagond,
I hear you but how much longer do we have to see their ugliness on your Blog, it’s too much now.
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@ JT
And how much “gasoline” run blacks?
The race who kill at rates literally over 700% higher than whites?
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@ Bliff,
It is every bit related. Yours is a mentality that obfuscates the moral significance of Trayvon’s death with fear-based notions of Black people and legal semantics.
The fact of the matter is that Zimmerman had no reason to get out of the car except a racist vendetta. Whereas Anders Breivik was more calculated and ruthless but still executed his goals based on a racist/political vendetta.
In both cases, right-wing militants with an ax to grind become armed and take the lives of innocents.
And as for your post – i think you have said that Trayvon deserved to die routinely without those particular word choices. So yes, i am holding you to the expression of that sentiment.
You need to decide what type of human being you want to be Bliff, Randy, Doug1111 etc. How do you want to treat people that are different than you and how do you want them to treat you. This choice is entirely in your hands and has nothing to do with POC. You can find meaningful, positive, and long-lasting relationships with POC or you can alienate them and isolate yourself from that beautiful possibility. This is what you can choose between.
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@ Linda
YOU are the problem and not bliff.
Bliff is a well-spoken exponent of a different viewpoint than the majority here.
He is INVALUABLE here because he’s one of a very small group bringing a much needed balance to these blogs.
The worst sin is to demand to “shut off” anyone that doesn’t agree with you.
If you don’t agree with him, DEBATE him in intelligent discourse and see who’s reasoning prevails.
I’ve debated Abagond himself in other blogs. We have completely antipodal beliefs but we volley it with facts and reasoning.
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@ The inconvenient truth,
And i would encourage Linda and others to be honest about how emotion affects their thinking. Just because you are unaware of how your emotion drives your thinking, doesn’t mean that they should be so intellectually dishonest.
What do you feel when you think of Trayvon’s murder?
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My heart aches when I see these pictures…a promising young life, cut short because of the irrational hatred of a racist cretin. I certainly don’t see a ‘thug’ in these pictures; I see a young man who was well-loved by his family and friends, and who loved them deeply in return. A happy family…shattered by a souless bastard.
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“The inconvenient truth
@ Linda
YOU are the problem and not bliff.
Bliff is a well-spoken exponent of a different viewpoint than the majority here.”
Linda says,
Yes, I am a problem for you racist blowhards who have nothing valuable to say, including you.
Stormfront is there for your kind to debate. The same way you wouldn’t dare confront a group of black and brown people with your racist crap in person,
I will not sit by and listen to you spill your hatred here.
You are an unnecessary lie.
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JT,
Emotion and intellect are 2 words that don’t apply to these race realist because they are not here for intellectual conversation, they just want a platform to be heard because it’s safe in cyberspace and Abagond allows them to be here.
All they do is repeat their sentences over and over again, as if, repetion will turn their fiction to fact…they are dishonest, liars who are cowards.
I wish Abagond would ban them but he wants the world to see how pathetic they are.
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Notice almost all those pictures besides the horse (which I’m in speculation that’s a family event) and I would assume most elder black folk frowns upon their children dressing “thugged out”
Would a black teenager show up in church with saggy pants and a gold grill?
For the churches sake I hope not.
Does people really expect the family to release the pictures that would show him in a bad light? of course not, and neither would the media.. every shot of Zimmerman seems to make him look lighter and lighter, and the pictures of Treyvon using air brush makes him look younger and younger, then the old pictures of him they keep spouting of every news channel.
and I love everyone has a judgement that he is already guilty of murder.. when no one was there. not one of you was there to point out that he was a “murderer” almost everyone here would rather point a finger too an escape goat as quick as they can. I am not saying he did not murder him in cold blood, or it was indeed a scuffle and Zimmerman was attacked.
If this was truly a memorial blog, than the words Thug Out should have nothing to do with the post.
Btw.. Charlse Manson I’m sure had some cute teenager pic
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@ Steve Haws,
Are you really arguing as the theoretical executioner of Trayvon Martin?
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@ JT,
Forgive me, that I am not exactly what you meant as a Theoretical Executioner, I am sorry for my ignorance, if you can explain more on that that is fine
My post more then enough is too hopefully bring in a valid point and opinion that the media its self has blown this more out of proportion than it truly is. It is the media that fuels the fire in peoples bellies and makes them think out of logic.
I really hope I did not offend in honesty I am a white 27 y/o 260 lb’s Stay at home father who watches three different news and crawl through the internet, looking up the views and basing my opinions on my own personal research.
As I am white, un-fortunetly life has made me a little biased and I really wish I did not have to apologize for it. but I am trying to think on the most common ground that I can.
This Post as I said before got misrepresented when someone had to state he is not all Thug out. Which they are only looking in his life on one side, there has been plenty of more Latest pictures of him with his grill, his sagging and flipping off the camera, and I am more then sure everyone here has seen them.
So stating he is a beautiful and innocent child from side of the spectrum is of course is gonna happen, because no one wants to believe in the worst in people. and I can say the same exact as Zimmerman
Zimmerman was in the wrong morally for shooting Martin (By Law he may not be wrong) and he very may well as started the fight and then shot him, and then instead of hiding the body he played Stand your Ground law, which had been exercised by a child not too long before Stabbing another student twelve times with a knife and walked because of witnesses and the stand your ground law.
If Zimmerman did choose to murder Martin, and use the Stand Your Ground law, then that is wrong on Zimmerman, and should be put away 50-life if not implement Death Penalty (I currently not sure if Florida has the Death Penalty)
I hope this clarified please let me know if you have any questions.
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@ Steve Haws,
I am White too. Don’t give yourself excuses.
I think you have represented yourself more thoughtfully with this most recent post. I have objections to some of your points but I am going to withhold them because i am tired of this debate. I need a break and to get back to studying preparations.
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@ Steve Haws,
I am White too. Don’t give yourself excuses.
I think you have represented yourself more thoughtfully with this most recent post. I have objections to some of your points but I am going to withhold them because i am tired of this debate. I need a break and to get back to studying preparations.
I think this is the nicest thing I have seen on this blog… and I really do thank you ^_^
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“Steven Haws
This Post as I said before got misrepresented when someone had to state he is not all Thug out. Which they are only looking in his life on one side, there has been plenty of more Latest pictures of him with his grill, his sagging and flipping off the camera, and I am more then sure everyone here has seen them.”
Linda says,
The things you mention represents alot of teenagers (white, black, brown) of today, I see too many white boys walking around with their pants sagging down
and white girls with tatoos and ring piercing in “very” interesting places…
the area in Miami that TM was from, gold teeth used to be popular, he might have worn it as a joke because hardly anyone wears it now…no one knows.
What do you think of the white girls who flashed their tatas on “Girls Gone Wild” videos?
Do you believe they are “all” promiscuous because they pulled up their shirts and thought it was funny.
We’ve all been teenagers once and if our current employers held us (as adults) up to standards based on some things we did as Teenagers, most people would be unemployed.
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You white defenders of Zimmerman wouldn’t care if Martin was naked, he had the right color to justify his death his “skin color”. Give me a break,All of your lame defense sis just plain ol racism, if that’s the case then I have the right in a school to carry concealed weapons beause young white males are most likely to be ‘spree killers” in school settings.
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@Newsoul
Wow… just wow… would have the same tune if you knew that there was a black defender? or is all you can see is black and white? did you know that we just had an anniversary of Vtech? According too you, we have to worry about those Koreans too eh?
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@JT
It is every bit related.
No, there is no relation between Breivers and TM. Breivers was a deranged mass murderer. TM was shot in an altercation, arising from some misunderstanding. No relation.
The fact of the matter is that Zimmerman had no reason to get out of the car except a racist vendetta.
No, there is no necessary “racist vendetta”, except where you would like to fabricate one. He was a watchman and he was checking on someone he thought was suspicious. You have no business saying he is a “racist”.
right-wing militants with an ax to grind become armed and take the lives of innocents.
GZ was no “right-wing militant”, just a watchman.
i think you have said that Trayvon deserved to die routinely
If you still can’t figure out that neither I, nor anyone else, ever said he “deserved” to die, then I can’t help you.
How do you want to treat people that are different than you
Neither you, nor any one else on this blog, has any idea how I treat anyone in my life. You only know what I say on this blog. I only trash people on this blog when they make outrageous statements about whites. The Abagondites think they are so open minded and non-racist, but white people are. I think most of you are a bunch of close minded, racist, hypocrites.
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@The inconvenient truth
Thanks for the support. Pretty rare on this blog, where the Abagondites think they’re so open-minded and non-racist, but they turn around and spew racist hatred toward whites, mostly for things that never happened to them personally.
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@Linda
Somehow you’ve appointed yourself the overseer of this blog. I’ve noticed you’ve trashed people who you don’t agree with. Maybe you’re not as smart and open-minded as you think you are. Maybe you should listen. In general, you blacks are a bunch of whiners who want to blame your own underachievement on whites.
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@Newsoul
You white defenders of Zimmerman wouldn’t care if Martin was naked, he had the right color to justify his death his “skin color”.
This statement is racist. Your brain can’t see beyond it’s racist mindset. If you believe this, then you nothing of the TM case, except for what you want to believe.
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@Linda
I have never said that black people are the only ones, and I am sorry for my stating that not all teenagers have gone through such things, even the country bumpkin white kids that I know of, and I have been known to wear Pipe Jeans, long black hoody, and my Belt past my knees (was the urban get up in North Cali in the 90’s) but you know what? I never wore it to church, and I was looked at as a hoodlum and for every right I really was lol.
and as far the woman on girls gone-wild in which is really a bi-racial program I know this because I am a pervert and watch quite a bit of that show, granted yes a majority of the woman on there are white, and I believe that woman on there has no respect for them selves… I still think they are hot, black white, and red or yellow. and I am all for woman with no respect for them selves if they choose to be this way.
There has been no listing as me Damning Martin for making him self look Thug., hey good for him! Does the parents approve? Probably not. Does america in general look a thugs like its a bad thing.. more then likely. Why because of Stereotypes. and When I say America I mean everyone, every race that is above 30 (usually) in which that is the news geared towards.
All That I am asking is true equality in which will never happen because of Mob Mentality that Both sides of the equation has.
If anymore questions or a debate please feel free ^_^
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@Bliff
……that f*cker deserved to die?……
Unfortunately, Demerera, NOBODY has said anything like this…”
Unfortunate is it that nobody has said this? I am sincerely hoping that you mis-typed this part or else your actual response belies the point you are trying to make hereafter…
Throughout this entire Treyvon Martin stint on this blog, many have said “he didn’t deserve to die”, while NO ONE has said “he deserved to die”
Since you dont speak for the masses on this blog it is pointless putting this statement here, particularly when ALL of your other commentary in one way or another suggests otherwise.
Bliff said: …..Except he attacked an armed man and paid the price. May his death be a lesson and a warning to other thugs….
Lets not try to dress up the semantics here – by holding him up as an example, labelling him a thug and saying a lesson can be learned from his death, a death where there are STILL arguments as to whether there was significant justification on the part of Zimmerman, you ARE in effect saying that he deserved to die.
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@ bliff
Maybe you should listen. In general, you blacks are a bunch of whiners who want to blame your own underachievement on whites.
really, in general blacks are whiners. And u say youre not a racist huh, sounds like u r. How many blacks do u personally know that are whiners?
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I see the net klansmen are here again. The fact is they lied again and again in previous posts about the murder of Trayvon and they got caught again and again. Now they are here again spilling their BS around like horses on diarreah.
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@Steven Haws
Those pictures are not before the ones posted above. Also, some of the ones you mentioned were from a Trayvon Martin that was not the victim. Although that doesn’t rule out the possibility that he did dress up in the “rap” culture (I don’t feel it is necessarily Thug attire).
I think my comment was misinterpreted. The second photo threw my attention because it was a hoodie and Martin died in a hoodie. I couldn’t see a “thug” from that picture and I imagined that was how he looked in the hoodie Zimemrman saw him in. I was not suggesting that Martin was an innocent young man, not into “rap” culture, or anything like that because I do not know that young man’s life. I have no right to judge him whether that judgement is good or bad.
I am really shocked by the sort of comments that have been tossed around in this post. RIP to Trayvon Martin and I hope his family can get peace with the trial with Zimmerman being proven innocent or guilty.
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Bliff,
What is your problem? Seriously, you say you’re not a racist, but a race realist, but you’ve typed the most racist and sexist shit I’ve read. What’s up with you?
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“The inconvenient truth
@ JT
And how much “gasoline” run blacks?
The race who kill at rates literally over 700% higher than whites?”
Wow! Where did you get this statistic? I am guessing a dark, tight place below your waist because that is not even possible. Please indicate your source.
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@Bliff
“Yeah, a “nice” kid. Except he attacked an armed man and paid the price. May his death be a lesson and a warning to other thugs, of all colors, that the armed citizenry is no longer going to take it any more”
“The entire Treyvon Martin case has nothing to do with anyone “deserving” anything. As usual, in this unfortunate incidents, a series of events unfolds that ends up tragically.”
Are you bipolar?
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@Bliff
“This statement is racist. Your brain can’t see beyond it’s racist mindset. If you believe this, then you nothing of the TM case, except for what you want to believe.”
Why yes, I am a racist, I live in the United States of America and grew up with all of it’s racial propaganda. I don’t go around saying “I’m a race realist” and then go around saying the most vile racist things on this board. And like most “race realists” as usual, conventionally ignore my main point of the epidemic of Young White Men shooting their fellow classmates in AMERICAN CLASSROOMS.
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The sad thing is that they needed to publish these photosto humanize someone who did nothing wrong. Trayvon was the VICTIM here, it doesn’t matter if he was a thug or Steve Urkel. if we killed every sullen looking, stern-faced, posturing teenage boy, there would be none left.
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@Steve Haws
The last 20 years have been an epidmeic of young white american males ‘shooting their classmates’ in American Schools’. From North, South, East and West Young White AMERICAN MALES have been killing their classmates with a blodshed that if it was done in New York, Chicago or Philly people like you would be ranting and raving like CUJO. But “you people” make all sorts of excuses and I have heard them all from..
1 They were bullied
2. People didn’t understand them
3. Blamed Marilyn Manson
From White shirnks on T.V. all I heard were some lame excuses except these were some violent sociopaths raised in the suburbs on violent music inattentive 2 two parents who worshipped guns and violence like it was candy. And were total bullies and the schools Cops and their parents knew it. But since they were ‘White Boys’ it was swept under the rug like bad trash until the lid blew and like Kip Kinkel killed his mom, dad and about 10 classmates. I don’t see people like you blaming Nirvana, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam but if that were a Black Kid who killed a Cop ‘Congressional Hearings by Republicans.
That’s where my contempt for many White Americans reside.
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@ Newsoul
You have to just see people for what they are worth. It is so easy to get consumed with hate when you read, hear, and experience the vile things that racism cause. Please don’t allow an idiot to take you there like that. Bliff is clearly an idiot. He is a racist who doesn’t want to be called a racist; my favorite kind, that like to back up his racist views using pseudoscience and biased statistics. These people never look at the statistics that refute what they say because they are willfully ignorant. I look at numbers like disparities in white and black dismissed cases, insanity plea results, self-defense cases, and jury selection practices. But these are the numbers they don’t like. Don’t let hate consume you. It can turn you into an idiot like some of the other “race realist/racist” here.
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@the inconvenient truth
The race who kill at rates literally over 700% higher than whites?
That is the biggest exaggeration of black murder rate I’ve heard to date. The second biggest was on Youtube where the channel said it was 600%. Now I know people like you are imagining these numbers. If that was true, it would’ve been a major news story worldwide. Oh, but since it isn’t, it’s because the media is leftist, right?
It seems like their hatred for blacks is so strong it can destroy their sense of reasoning, logic and humanity in cataclysmic ways.
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Cleonette and Newsoul,
I always say that whiteness is never based on logic, but on emotion. Bliff and his “race realist” comrades are driven by a need to feel better than good. That’s why they say their racist dribble because that’s their drug. But if you call them out on it, that’s when they get upset. That’s when they play the victim. If you present information that trumps theirs, that is unacceptable whether they ask for it or not. This is the part I can’t understand. They ask for proof or evidence. You present it. They reject it anyway. That is not a logical or mature way to “exchange ideas” as they claim they’re doing. So, you have to conclude that they’re not here to exchange ideas, but to disrupt and enforce their racism in a blog against their motives.
Bliff and his gang are lost as hell, and they prefer it that way. They prefer to be better than human than just being human. That is a sign of mental delusion.
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Perhaps Bliff is a performance artist, demonstrating with his own unique blend of racism and ignorance just how someone like George Zimmerman would come to view himself as a victim and a kid coming out of a 7/11 with some Skittles as a vicious threat.
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@ Brothawolf,
“The race who kill at rates literally over 700% higher than whites?
That is the biggest exaggeration of black murder rate I’ve heard to date. The second biggest was on Youtube where the channel said it was 600%.”
Race realists and so-called “intellectuals” like Heather Mac Donald from the Manhattan Institute have used those figures in debates on CNN to silence complaints about Police harassment against African- Americans, and they always claim they get it from the DOJ.(usually cherry picked to favor their viewpoint). Isn’t that ironic, Conservatives and Race Realists generally hate government and all it stands all it stands for until they “cherry pick” stats they like to defend their point of view then it’s all good.
if I hated the Government as much as these people claim to I wouldn’t use one stitch of the DOJ stats or the mainstream media, but it seems they want to court those same institutions they despise.These people want it both ways, and it’s the height of arrogance.
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@Newsoul
if I hated the Government as much as these people claim to I wouldn’t use one stitch of the DOJ stats or the mainstream media, but it seems they want to court those same institutions they despise.These people want it both ways, and it’s the height of arrogance.
Thank you!
It honestly makes no sense to use the government or the media as reliable sources of information pertaining to race. You can not find out how blacks are by statistics alone, nor can you learn about black people from television a.k.a. the idiot box. Yet, these race-realists who try to portray themselves as intellectuals use them anyway. What’s more hilarious is when they complain that the media doesn’t pay much attention to black-on-white crimes. And yet, before you know it, they post a link to an article where such a crime occurred. Hello? LOL
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@Newsoul
Because White people are bread with the gene to recklessly put them on a shooting spree.
Myth: All Black men are aggressive.
But apparently White People are the aggressive… are you serious? are you actually putting up double standards?
Ya know what kinda bugs me.. is the fact that you are putting up “statistics” when we all know that statistics on this board has no leeway what so ever?
And as far as white people blaming Marilyn Manson.. you do realize even white people laugh at that… right? kinda like black people laugh at the glove not fitting?
Everything you have just said had justified that you are in no level too even attempt to debate on such matters because you are just one sided, and I am the white devil.
the fact that you bring up news that is swept under the rug. I can show you stories and small town new articles that was heinous that was never brought nationally.
What most folks here does not realize that a black man will never be considered racist, and has to prove that he is.
a white man is racist right out the door and its a struggle to keep your own identity and prove that you are not racist and that is a burden you will never have to feel, because white people have to watch what they do no matter what in the case of fear a persecution
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Race aside, here is the bottom line: A grown man who runs around like he’s rent-a-cop and repeatedly calls the cops on people in the community (to the point where people have complained about him) has chosen to follow a teenage male around with his fully loaded gun and claims the teen attack him and so he had no choice but to shoot…with his gun, that was loaded, which he carried with him, as he approached that teen…are we catching on to what I’m saying?
I doubt the teen (I’m not using names, let’s just try to picture it as any teen, so you can get my point) attacked the grown man “unprovoked,”and if so, the grown man, once again, approached him, fully armed…why did he need a gun? Correct me here, but even actual security guards, not all carry a gun.
The teen was NOT on that man’s property, that man did NOT catch that teen sneaking through his window…so…need I go on?
That man should have been arrested a loooong time ago. You would think people were crying out that Zimmerman should get a lethal injection, the way some others sit there and vouch that he MIGHT be innocent. Wake up already! We just want him to serve time for the crime. He would be getting clothed and fed in prison, meanwhile someone’s son (who was minding their own business) is six feet under! How can you pity THAT?
If he was arrested already, we would not be here trading facts like we’re characters on Law & Order.
I guess I can’t be a vampire for Halloween, cause if some psycho shoots me, the media will post my party pics and claim I worship Satan and the dark arts. Let’s not forget me “flipping the bird” at some dive bar, that photo would surely prove I’m a real outlaw. Seriously, what is going through some people’s minds?
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@steven:
And are you persecuted? Are you at present in prison because you are white? Have you been arrested because you are white? Have you been tortured because you are white?
Are you a refugee? Who or what is persecuting you because of your skin color? Name one institution, country or police force which is hunting you down because you are white?
Thank you very much.
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@deedee7789
I really have nothing to respond to this, I will have to check in on those pictures that you have stated, the only thing I have to say is well, I guess a single persons opinion about what Thug attire, Might not be the same as majority of Americans, however I could be wrong.
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@sam because we have consecration camps set up for every colored person in every state of america. But we don’t talk about it. because according to you, we are torturing everyone? If I have to watch my tongue on things that I do not believe is right, one ones man view as a standard racist, than that person is marked for life. You are thinking of literals you sound as if there was an actual war going on.. and if so that is the most racist thing I have heard yet. instead of fighting, people should find an equal ground.
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@ brothER wolf
(I’m don’t say childish slang like “brotha” -I’m an ADULT)
You say that when I claim blacks commit crime at 700%, it’s ridiculous. SORRY BUT IT’S TRUE
According to Department of Justice 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than SEVEN TIMES (yes, that’s 700%) higher than the rates for whites.
Blacks are also your own worst enemies.
You are victims of murder 6 times more than whites, with 94% of your killers being other blacks!
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/intimates.cfm#intgender
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You know what’s hiliarious about you blacks? You really do want it both ways.
How MANY blacks write hip hop songs about all the shootings and violence they saw growing up in the ghettos, and describe how proud they are to rise above all the violence around them, yet when a white person sites the numbers that verify their stories, suddenly it’s all “non-sense”
There’s no limit to your hypocrisy!!
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You made a tiresome diatribe on the other thread about how you were leaving forever Inconvenient Truth. Don’t let the screen door hitcha where the good Lord splitcha. 🙂
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@ brother wolf
You said: “It honestly makes no sense to use the government or the media as reliable sources of information pertaining to race… ”
So we ‘stupid whites pretending to be intelligent’ now can’t even use government statistics because you decided “it’s all a lie”?
We “foolish” whites don’t generally believe something unless we’ve seen supportive evidence from many different vantage points. So I guess those blacks who live in the ghetto who speak about all the violence they’ve seen are really just all liars too, right?!
So all the recorded and documented 911 phone calls of shootings and bodies recovered are all just “made up”, right?!!
So I guess all those “phony” statistics of terribly dangerous inner cities like Camden, Detroit, parts of D.C., North Philly, etc.., are all just “fake” because those areas are actually “beautiful and safe”, right??!?!
SEE THIS IS WHAT I MEAN!!!!
The amount of denial from blacks!! YOU DISGUST ME!!!!!
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@ ConvenientTruths,
Look at the thread. This is about Trayvon Martin and his life. Not the ax that you need to grind against Blacks. You are way off topic.
Please let the door hit you on the way out.
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@Demerera:
you ARE in effect saying that he deserved to die
You still don’t get it, because you don’t want to get it. This shows how anti-white and racist the blacks are on this site. They want to smear whites every chance they get. You WANT me to say that TM “deserved” to die, that’s what it’s all about. You WANT to smear people who disagree with the anti-white bias on this blog.
Here in Pittsburgh a teenaged girl died in an auto accident last year when she was texting while driving, missed a curve, ran off the road, and was killed. She didn’t “deserve” but her irresponsible actions led to her death. Hopefully, now that she is dead, her death will at least be a lesson to other teens not to text and drive.
Would you agree with this ? Of course you would.
It’s exactly the same with TM. Would you agree? Even if you’re a close-minded, smug-in-your-supposed-antiracism Abagondite, of course you would agree.
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@ Inconvenient
The violent crime is true. It is not made up. I have never ever denied it. But it is only part of the truth, even of the black people who live in North Philly. I have family there so I can tell you that from personal experience, not from watching television or reading crime stats on Stormfront. To make it The Truth about black people to the point where Trayvon becomes a suspicious guy and a thug just for being a black male, THAT is a lie, a profoundly racist lie. But it is a lie many white people hold onto because they do not want to face the truth about themselves:
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@Cleonette
Are you bipolar?
Four out of five of my doctors say no, and also say that my breath is fresh and minty. There is absolutely no contradiction between these two quotes. See my response to Demerera up above. TM did not deserve to die, and those that say that I said he deserved to die are simply lying and wishing I had said that. Since this is black, white-bashing blog, that is what these people here do.
TM did not deserve to die, but out of his death, a message to help save other people can be drawn. This message, to thugs of all colors, is the watch out for the armed citizenry. I would rather have the potential thugs be afraid of their potential victims being armed than the other way around.
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@abagond
make it The Truth about black people to the point where Trayvon becomes a suspicious guy and a thug just for being a black male, THAT is a lie
No, Abagond, this statement is a lie. GZ targeted TM because there HAD been breakins over the past year and that black males were some/all of the burglars. So GZ targeted TM because:
* GZ was a watchman
* There had been break-ins by young blacks in the near past
* TM was not familiar to GZ. GZ “thought” he was black, he wasn’t even sure.
TM was shot because he jumped GZ and did not let him go even though GZ was screaming. When I was 17, if I thought I was being followed, I certainly would not go up and confront my follower. I’d get away as quickly as possible because who knows, he may have a gun or something.
So TM was NOT shot because of some overall statistic about the crime rate of black males. He was shot because of some very localized and immediate reasons.
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“Bliff,
TM was shot because he jumped GZ and did not let him go even though GZ was screaming.”
How do you know this happened Bliff, were you there?
Doug and I had this conversation…GZ verbally told his version of events but this is not a fact nor can it be supstantiated because no one saw this beginning of the altercation.
Witnesses say the saw them struggle..1 saw GZ on top, 1 saw TM on top, 13 year old boy recanted because he said he told the cops he didn’t see anythng but they pressured him to say he did.
So unless you have information beside GZ’s verbal statement, then you are giving your opinion, based on GZ claims, as if it is a fact…it is not a fact because Zimmerman’s excuse has yet to be proven true.
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Bliff, your name should be spliff because you’re surely smoking something given you ridiculous comment.
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@Bliff
You still don’t get it, because you don’t want to get it. This shows how anti-white and racist the blacks are on this site
Trust me, I am not anti white. I abhor people who ‘maintain’ they are for ‘justice for all’ whilst all their actions, responses, attitudes and commentary suggest otherwise. These are NOT people to be trusted.
This is an absolutely ridiculous attempt to categorise me by the way and only a fool would fall for it. You still dont realise that people dont fall in to neat little categories do you *SMH*
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@Bliff
Would you agree with this ? Of course you would.
It’s exactly the same with TM. Would you agree? Even if you’re a close-minded, smug-in-your-supposed-antiracism Abagondite, of course you would agree.
Do NOT presume to know my thinking or my rationale on things. You pose these points as questions but they are merely rhetorical devices to try to demonstrate what kind of person you think I am and want others to think to.
These tactics are tedious – you have your own agenda and by ‘asserting’ things about commenters you are trying desperately and in vain to portay people as being ‘anti’ to show unbalanced thinking.
The only person who is less than objective here is YOU – try to keep that in perspective when responding to the comments of others on here.
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@Demerera
You still dont realise that people dont fall in to neat little categories do you
Why would you tell me this? Look at the dozens and dozens of times the Abagondites constantly try to put me in the “racist” box. Perhaps you should address this comment to your fellow Abagondites, who violate this constantly, especially with people who don’t tow the party line. Oh wait, I forgot. The Abagondites are so righteous and anti-racist that they couldn’t possibly be closed-minded or racist against whites, could they now.
Do NOT presume to know my thinking or my rationale on things.
Yet you tell me I think TM “deserved” to die despite my explanations to the contrary. Aren’t you being a hypocrite – telling me not to do what you were doing to me?
Furthermore, you never answered my question – do you agree with what I said about the teenaged girl dying in the auto accident? Do you agree that also applies to TM?
Instead of insulting me – “only person who is less than objective here is YOU” – why don’t you try dialogue? Or are you too good to talk to a “racist”?
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@ Bliff,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naïve_realism
George Zimmerman had the responsibility to stop following Trayvon from the vehicle outwards (and probably even before while he was in the vehicle). Trayvon looked suspicious to Zimmerman over other neighbourhood youth because he was black. Not because he did something to incur Zimmerman’s suspicion. He was armed with skittles and iced tea. Your man, Zimmerman was armed with a pistol. The burden of responsibility was on Zimmerman since he was the ADULT and he WAS LOADED.
Take responsibility for where you piece of $h% right wing militants F&$K up.
Now seriously, get the h#LL out of this Trayvon memorial thread you sick excuse for a human.
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@JT
Trayvon looked suspicious to Zimmerman over other neighbourhood youth because he was black.
Hey, JT, at least try to be fair and impartial. Your statement should read as below:
Trayvon looked suspicious to Zimmerman over other neighbourhood youth because he was black AND because there had been some break-ins in the complex by young blacks AND because GZ did not know/recognize TM.
There. That’s better. Now you can start to pretend you’re fair.
George Zimmerman had the responsibility to stop following Trayvon from the vehicle outwards
GZ was a watchman, he could follow a young black male, whom he did not recognize because there had been break-ins, nine in the past year, if my memory is correct. The dispatcher told him to stop following TM. At that point, the timeline is a bit fuzzy. Was GZ already out of his car at that point and was walking back to his car when TM approached him? Not sure, so I don’t know if he listened to the dispatcher or not.
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“Bliff,
Was GZ already out of his car at that point and was walking back to his car when TM approached him? Not sure, so I don’t know if he listened to the dispatcher or not.”
How do you know TM approached Zimmerman?
No one knows if TM approached GZ or if GZ approached TM first…there are no eyewitnesses to this.
You are giving your opinion based on reports of Zimmerman’s verbal claims…this is not a fact in the case.
Zimmerman is telling his version of the story…that is not a fact, it is his verbal explanation, and no one knows if this is true.
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@Bliff
Two interesting things that you mentioned that are troubling.
“What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law
enforcement agency.” <-From the handbook. As a neighborhood watch it was Zimemrman's responsibility not to pursue a potential suspect which could potentially put him at risk.He was wrong to get out of the vehicle according to the neighboorhood watch handbook.
The observation section also mentions observing from within a home or vehicle. Places that would not put you at risk. He did not have to get out of his car to figure out the location, his car was on the street where signs would have been located as well house numbers in the front of buildings. Also, the handbook mentioned a Block map to have to have information to report location quickly.
That is another issue. “Learn your neighbor’s names, including all
occupants of their residences. Be able to recognize them and their vehicles without any hesitation.” <Also from the handbook. He should have known his neighbors, who would be visiting and identifying himself to them so he is known as the neighborhood watch. That was laziness on Zimmerman's part.
The Neighborhood Watch Handbook..
Just some points from the handbook.
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@ Bliff,
Wow were you dropped on your head as a child?
The job of watch people is not to engage it is to notify the police force. He played vigilante after noone responded to his repeated calls. 46 in the previous year to be correct.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/17/2700249/trayvon-martin-shooter-a-habitual.html
Moreover he was unable to elaborate on what made Trayvon look suspicious. He knew in his head that he was racially profiling Trayvon but it wasn’t something that he wanted to repeat to others and state that it was his sex and race (and probably height) that made him think Trayvon was guilty of something which inspired him to surreptiously follow Trayvon.
The police force has more important things to do than to respond to everyone one of Zimmerman’s inklings. So in frustration and racial animus against Blacks he engaged Trayvon Martin. That does not mean that Trayvon deserved to be murdered.
We don’t need to care why you think that is okay. Those of us with a conscience realize that something innately abhorrent about killing youth and then trying to justify it as self-defense (when the leading homicide investigator and sound specialists have determined that Zimmerman was not acting in self-defense and that Trayvon was the one crying help!).
http://gothamist.com/2012/04/01/experts_say_it_was_not_george_zimme.php
Your pseudo-intellectualised brand of racism doesn’t wash.
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@Bliff
Furthermore, you never answered my question – do you agree with what I said about the teenaged girl dying in the auto accident? Do you agree that also applies to TM?
You did not present this as a question. You wrote in a rhetorical and unintelligent way telling me what I thought. In response to your question I will say this: It is ALWAYS a tragedy when someone dies so needlessly, regardless of who they are or the circumstances.
Bearing in mind that I thought this blog was supposed to be a kind of memorial for Trayvon, for once in my life I have to agree with Randy in that your initial statement, that you posted on here was which highly ‘insensitive’– it was neither decent, respectful or necessary on this particular blog and I demonstrated why I thought this in my first response to Randy.
There are other blogs on here where you can go to debate the situation – to do so on this particular blog is, at the very least innappropriate and at the most in extremely poor taste.
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@deedee7789
Thanks for the reply.
As a neighborhood watch it was Zimemrman’s responsibility not to pursue a potential suspect
It is not clear that GZ was “pursuing” TM. Most likely, he was watching him (not pursuing), then moving back toward his car, when TM approached him.
Learn your neighbor’s names, including all
occupants of their residences.
True, but in TM’s case, he had only been there a short time and GZ had no idea he had moved in/was visting at the time, so he looked like a stranger to him.
I don’t necessarily support GZ; it’s just that this blog is so heavily biased against him, that I find myself playing Devil’s Advocate in this case. Another reason why I come to this blog – you Abagondites NEED some balance against your ultraliberal, anti-white, black whiner POV.
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“Bliff,
It is not clear that GZ was “pursuing” TM. Most likely, he was watching him (not pursuing), then moving back toward his car, when TM approached him.”
Linda says,
Can you please make it clear that this is your opinion because you do not know if TM approached Zimmerman.
Stop saying this as if this is a fact and verified, it is not…
“bliff states@ “anti-white, black whiner POV”
This is the reason no one on this board takes you seriously; you come off as the biggest cry baby on this board.
when you stop making divisive comments, then everyone can view your statements as actually having value.
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@bliff, inconvinient truth et all:
Ok, just answer me for this one question.
I have lived in USA twice. During both times I visited black neighborhoods in day time and at nigh time. I visited black night club. Once I even walked from Harlem to the 96th street subway station around elevn o’clock at night. This was late 80’s during the hight of the crack epidemic. I was not disturbed by a single black person. Cops once asked how I was doing, though.
Why I was not a)robbed b)mugged c) killed d)raped e)hijacked f)drive-by-shot when I was living in USA in the 80’s and early 90’s? I am white european male. How it is possible that nothing happened to me in black neighborhoods, or in mixed neighborhoods were I actually lived?
Why it was that I had no problem with black americans? You are claiming that my behavior would be a suicide. I’m here. Why?
Can you explain why nothing happened to me at all?
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Trayvons body was found far away from where GZ vehicle was parked, which was almost 100 ft the house he was staying at. Zimmerman was pursuing Trayvon
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@Spliff
Trayvon is in no way complicit in his death, no matter how desperately you want that to be true. He was doing absolutely nothing wrong except walking while black in his father’s neighborhood, period. He had no obligation to grin and shuffle and answer Zimmerman’s questions. Zimmerman to Martin was just some strange man following him, and for all the teenager knew GZ was some type of pervert, rapist or serial killer.
Given GZ history of violence and disregard for authority we can reasonably assume that he provoked any actions Trayvon may have taken against him that day. If so, the teenager was “standing his own ground” to defend himself. However the events unfolded we know that Zimmerman was in flagrant violation of Neighborhood watch rules by carrying a gun and that he chose to disregard the police dispatch and stalk and confront an innocent, unarmed teenager.
Everything that happened from that point on was a result of events George Zimmerman put into motion. I honestly believe that if he had not killed Trayvon, he would have killed someone else eventually. In contrast, Trayvon had no criminal record or history of violence.
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@sam
How it is possible that nothing happened to me in black neighborhoods
Guess what, Sam, back in the High Times (1970s) I went to college in a large city and the university was located right on the edge of a large black ghetto. Nothing ever happened to me either. Of course, I never walked through the black section at night. I rode my bike through the black area during the day once or twice. And the campus area was brightly lit and college students outnumbered any locals in any place I might have gone on campus.
This whole “whites fear blacks” has been blown, deliberately, out of proportion by Abagond and other black blogs to try to show that whites are frozen with fear about blacks, which means we are racists, of course.
All of this ignores context. People fear situations in which they are unfamiliar. In this context, whites may be afraid, or maybe a better term would be cautious, if they are in a known high crime area that they are unfamiliar with. The “cautious” then becomes “fear”.
Few whites go around fearing blacks all the time. The whites who aren’t around blacks often, would have little chance to fear them because they are not around them. The whites who are around blacks often would know better how to assess a potentially dangerous situation and avoid those few situations. In either case, whites spend little time fearing blacks.
Even in high crime areas, the crimes tend more to happen at night and probably in certain areas and contexts. If one knows about this, then they will exercise caution and avoid the crime. People are probably victims when they are not being cautious or aware.
So, Sam, I’m not surprised nothing happened to you. And I don’t think most white people would be surprised. I guess you knew or learned how to safe in Harlem and reduced your chances of being a victim.
What the h$ell were you doing living in Harlem anyways??
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@Linda
This is the reason no one on this board takes you seriously
No, this is the reason you keep responding to nearly everything I post…because I get to you and you can’t stand that. Everybody here takes me seriously…that’s why they have to spend so much time insulting me….because I tick them off and the Abagondites have no real answers for many of my comments.
Again, this blog NEEDS people like me. We keep you simple-minded Abagondites from patting each other on the back, because you are so proud of yourselves at being the big anti-racists. We rock your world, and yinz are getting dizzy.
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@ Bliff, Inconvenient, etc:
Your comments make it crystal clear why Trayvon got killed, that most likely Zimmerman is guilty of murder.
[NOTE: Nearly all comments about Zimmerman from this point on have been deleted as off topic (April 22nd 2012)]
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“Bliff,
No, this is the reason you keep responding to nearly everything I post…because I get to you and you can’t stand that”
Linda says,
As usual, I see you skipped over my questions as to the false opinions you keep repeating but I don’t expect much from you, cry baby.
you are delusional and of course, don’t have very good comprehension skills or you understand most posters here DO not agree that your presense brings anything to the table.
I respond to you because you are a coward and a liar who needs to be called out for the insulting things you say
Abagond lets you stay here so you can continue to show what a simple low-life joke you are and like I said before, you never fail us.
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Whoever this Bliff “person” is, he probably doesn’t have any more concern for Zimmerman than he does for the murder of Trayvon Martin … he is simply here to toy with the Negroes. He’s trying to show how clever he is. That was also Lara’s purpose for posting here (ever wonder why these “people” would waste so much time writing scores and scores of comments to their supposed inferiors? Something is amiss here.) He has no respect for us and is behaving in the same way as a guy who gets pleasure at razzing the caged monkeys at the zoo. The same was also true for the banned “person” who couldn’t seem to keep his mind off a Black “dong”.
If anyone has seen the series of beef jerky commercials which feature a trio of nimrods out camping in the woods who deliberately set out to frustrate and anger Bigfoot by getting his trust and than pulling a prank on him… well, Bliff represents the nimrods….
Others of the these white racists are here to indoctrinate/brainwash impressionable readers by bombarding Black blogs and message boards with disinformation on Black IQs and crime stats ( I personally would not give white racists a format to spread their seeds of hatred for Blacks, but this blog doesn’t belong to me.
Carry on.
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Bliff,
Don’t you fear blacks yourself, especially if you see a large group of them in a certain area at any given moment in time? You say that you went through a black area during the day, but never at night. That’s generally an indicator.
Are you implying that black neighborhoods are automatically high crime areas? If so, you are just basically turning the black community into one huge criminal monolith. It’s a mistake that people like you love to make time after time.
Basically, you’re just trying to make it seem that black people are the people more likely to engage in criminal or violent behavior which will heighten after sunset. It’s laughable, really.
And Bliff, this blog needs you like like Fox News needs Tim Wise. Everything you’ve said in here isn’t new, isn’t profound, and is far from being non-racist. You see with you, being anti-racist is the same as being anti-white. You are unable or unwilling to tell the two apart. You want racism against blacks to exist. You justify racism against blacks because to you, one way or another, they’ve asked for it. But Lord forbid any form of racism, which is minimal compared to white racism, against the good, intelligent, innocent whites.
The bottom line is that you’re not here for an exchange of ideas. You just want to shove yours down the throats of everyone who doesn’t think the same way as you do. If you were here for an honest conversation and an exchange of ideas you would use ad hominems at every chance you get. You wouldn’t call people names like an kinder-garden student especially if they respectfully and maturely disagree with you. You wouldn’t say that you haven’t done any of the things mentioned. And, you wouldn’t be using the victim card when you get what you dish out.
You are too intellectually and emotionally immature to have a serious conversation with concerning race. That is the truth, sir.
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Brothawolf
“The bottom line is that you’re not here for an exchange of ideas. You just want to shove yours down the throats of everyone who doesn’t think the same way as you do. ”
I can go on the Huffington Post and and see these same types of people, they are not here there for dialogue they want you to think they are smart because they can “cut and paste” statistics from “Stromfront” and the DOJ awnd put Black Progressives in their place. I call that “Black Guilt” and it’s supposed to shame you into debating other reasons for those high stats.
Just watch how conservatives like Dinesh D’ Sousa and Heather Mc Donald have used those tactics and watch the room go silent because there is Black Shame in the last 40 years as our strong intellectuals have passed on or silenced while these ‘Black Leaders or media who don’t know how to challenge these people, and I think that was intentional. If there was an oposing view then those stats they cite would be more gray. African- Americans need to create an intellectual class who know media to refute those statistics like we do here.
“You wouldn’t say that you haven’t done any of the things mentioned. And, you wouldn’t be using the victim card when you get what you dish out. ”
I have had these people cite ‘their best black friend” like you have to cite the race of your friend, I don’t treat my friends like that, or their black girlfriend or wife while they are citing Black crime statistics in the most vile racist manner possible. Or they act like total victims like you insulted their character by calling them racists.
“You are too intellectually and emotionally immature to have a serious conversation with concerning race. That is the truth, sir.’
Many of these people are exactly what you said and they can’t take it, I would rather deal with a committed racist than someone who is a “race realist”
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Newsoul,
I believe you when you said that you could see these “type” of people on news sites like Huffington. Their presence on these and any anti-racist sites virtually serve no purpose other than prove that this nation is far from being post-racial as some people believe. They also give a clear image as to how the white racist mindset works when it lurks in cyberspace.
These race realists as they call themselves are just sniveling cowards who’s afraid of being called what they are, racist. Doug stated that there is a difference between the two designations. I wanted to know what is it? He has yet to answer.
They know they are racists. They use that term “race realist” as a weak shield against being called that. They are afraid that they no better than the KKK or skinheads. For all we know, they probably are members, but for reasons unknown they can’t admit it. Hell, they may have even been kicked out lol.
In the end they refuse to consider that they are the ones with the problem or a list of problems. They are in strict denial that they are psychologically broken and disturbed. Tisk, tisk.
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As a white guy, I agree with Sam, about black neighborhoods and white people, and, Ive been in more black neighborhoods than Sam.
I pretty much never have had a problem, and, I was there lots at night, working in night clubs. Ive seen fights break out in bars of all colors , so that is a normal thing, but as far as feeling threatened personaly, no…
I dont lallygag in any neighborhood, that is just common sence
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This one case, tragic as it is, has re polarized the people in america, and you are helping them do it. It is taking energy away from occupy and other good causes, the ahole is behind bars……move on man.
I know this is off topic, but please listen to the man’s words.
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@bliff:
I did not live Harlem, but close by and I happened to stay there with some friends. So when the party broke up, I decided to walk home instead of taking a buss or subway. So I walked. Yes, I saw some junkies and drunks, but no more than any other big city where I have been. And yes, the cops drove past by and came back and asked if everything was ok, to which I answered yes. They looked at me and went on. And yes, I knew how to take care of myself and I guess that gave me the confidence not to be hysterical.
@BR:
Yes, the biggest fights and most dangerous ones too that I have ever seen, have been in totally white crowd. The biggest beating that I have received where given by white guys, It was a white guy who hit me in the head with a bench, yes, with a bench.
White guys have kicked me into the head, not once, but twice. White guys have hit me in the face. Kicked me into stomach, chest, legs, arms, white guys have knocked me out couple times. I have had stiches on my face because some white guys couple times. White guys have tried to stab me, chain whip me, hit me with a baseball bat, with nunchakus, batons, iron pipes, knuckledusters and such. White guys have told me many times that they are going to kill me, some have propably tried too.
Do I live in constant fear of the white guys? Do I live in a fear all the time? No. I live my life like a normal person. I wake up and do my job, eat lunch, watch tv, read books, do some stuff with my friends, enjoy the gym etc. Just like any normal guy does.
I am not proud for what has happened in my past, I am not happy that I got beaten up or that I have dished out some of that stuff too in the madness of my youth, but do I have somekind of a esoteric fear in me? No. I refuse to be affraid. I believe that fear is the gear of hatred and violence. The more scared you are, the more violent you are. More aggression. More extremism. And USA for some strange reason is a country that lives and breaths fear in high octane. And that is a huge problem, huge huge problem in that culture.
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Dave,
Take out a loan and buy yourself a clue for once. Fighting against racism is a good cause. It’s just as important–if not linked–to the Occupy movement.
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@brothawolf, did you actually watch the video? Fighting against racism is good, but that is not what this has become about . It has become about hating people different from you . You are just as guilty of that as the people who you get the most mad at on here. If fact if it were up to you , you would have their first amendment rights taken away. See if you help to take the freedoms from white people , you can bet that they will take away your rights sooner or later.
I’ve earned alot of clues. You are stuck behind a brick wall. Stay there if you want .
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@sam, just because you were beat up by “white” guys doesn’t mean that if you walked through a bad area everyday, you wouldn’t eventually get messed with just because those guys happened to be black.
So in effect you are saying black people are more peaceful and less violent because of race, no matter how bad the neighborhood is . Maybe you are just naive.. You are kind of being biased against white americans
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Demerera has said that I only make controversy to get attention, then she is sometimes surprised by my positive comments.. Like there is a some battle inside me. But I will look inward for a minute. Remember sometimes a person is his own doctor first, if you know what I mean. I make mean comments sometimes to pick a fight. But my ultimate goal is to get the positive message out. Sometimes you peops on here are so hard headed and so one sided, as are your minority white anti-commenters that I feel I need to get your attention to let you hear a well needed voice of reason. I took a different route this time with the Stephen Seagal Vid…….A well needed positive message.
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also@sam……Just because you lived in America, doesn’t mean you know more than us who have lived here our whole lives. Having positive and negative experiences from both races. But don’t think it is only white people who are guilty of profiling. There are black people who have had similar experiences from white and black and then profiled their white counterparts. Like “Now I have to tell my son not to wear a hoody………..see how white people do you”……….How is that not profiling. It is just as wrong to do it the other way around. We are all guilty of it and some of it is our own fault and our families. Some of it is the conditioning from the media…….”Divide and conquer”
Ultimately it is up to you to make your own choice. You chose to agree with some of your black counterparts on here that white americans have some social disease. You never met my Italian family……..You never met my Irish family …….and you sure as heck don’t know me. So stop generalizing yourself, because other wise your opinions to me don’t hold as much weight.
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“Ultimately it is up to you to make your own choice. You chose to agree with some of your black counterparts on here that white americans have some social disease. You never met my Italian family……..You never met my Irish family …….and you sure as heck don’t know me. So stop generalizing yourself, because other wise your opinions to me don’t hold as much weight.”
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Hey dave,
For the umpteenth time – read racism 101!
Why is it that everything said here about whiteness, or racist whites, or various personal experiences is taken so personally by you???
Is it because the “shoe fits?”
Or, is it because you simply refuse to hear various people people say in various ways – IF something said here does NOT apply – let it fly?
Stop trying to make this all about you. It’s not about YOU – or Italians, or the Irish.
It’s about Trayvon Martin and how whiteness – YES WHITENESS – framing is to a large extent responsible for his death, as well as many of the problems the world has.
FWIW, Demerera is among the best “profiler” I’ve seen on this board. She’s judiciously read/pegged you correctly on more than one or two occasions.
Regarding Sam, and others, it looks to me like you’re trying really hard NOT to get the points being made. You come at the race problem as if the two groups (non-whites & whites) are on a level/equal playing field. Guess whose trollish company of fiends that point of view puts you in? Is that how you wish to be perceived here?
Everyone here (and everywhere) HAS issues/conflicts. BUT, the thrust of this thread/blog isn’t about being sympathetic toward unfair things that happen to white people, or YOU. Society and the media caters to and supports poor/middle class whites. They don’t offer the same for blacks – which is why Abagond saw fit to create a counter-space.
“Like there is a some battle inside me. But I will look inward for a minute. Remember sometimes a person is his own doctor first, if you know what I mean. I make mean comments sometimes to pick a fight. But my ultimate goal is to get the positive message out. Sometimes you peops on here are so hard headed and so one sided, as are your minority white anti-commenters that I feel I need to get your attention ..”
Those positive messages you speak of that comes out of your pugnacious antagonism has about the same effect as snowflakes in hell – totally meaningless in the heat of fires you help to create.
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Great points, Matari
I hear you Sam, and you know,you had the right frame of mind in America without prejudged stereotypes of what black people are suposed to be.
Dave, I guess I have to reiterate again, I worked in lots of black neighborhoods at night, would be loading equipment on the street at 2, 3, 4 in the morning, in Harlem ( Club Wells among others),south side of Chicago, west side of Chicago ( Safari Room, High Chaperal, Pumkin Room, Checkmate among many others), Bed Sty, South Bronx, in Los Angeles , Inglewood, never a hassle
In Bed Sty, we got ripped off by the club owner…..white mafia dude
I have been ripped off worse by white collar crime than any one, I am an equal oportunity burglar victom, meaning I have been burglurised by people of all colors
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Abagond,
After 2 days of leaving this thread, I came back only to see more hatred being posted against a murdered boy. Wasn’t this post supposed to be a celebration of Trayvon’s life? To show he was just a normal, ordinary kid who hung out with family and did ordinary stuff?
It breaks my heart to no end seeing him happy and relaxed with the family, riding his horse, hugging his little sister and wrapping his arms around his sweet little girlfriend. If only he knew what lay ahead of him…
I know I’ve said this so many times on so many posts but White America is diseased. Only a twisted, diseased mind would come to a black blog, dedicated to people of colour, by a person of colour, designed to educate, explain, heal, and understand our patholgy of blackness in America, and violate us again and again.
I left this post when Bliff showed up to torment. I keep asking myself; Would these people go to a site dedicated to Caylee Anthony and say if only she had behaved better, her mom would not have murdered her? Would they insinuate that Jon Benet Ramsey deserved her violation due to the fact that she paraded herself
around the stage in a bikini?
Race remains the 600lb elephant in the room. We ALL know it. Especially those who wish to desperately deny it. Race remains the reason why these hateful savages come here to taunt us. Race remains the reason why Randy and Doug fight tooth and nail on the Zimmerman post to prove that this kid carry candy deserved to die.
Abagond, I’m tired. Worn out. I don’t know if you feel it but I do.
Whites have proven time and time again how gleeful they are in celebrating our pain. Yet WE are the subhuman ones!
They get up every day with a clear purpose of our slow destruction whether it’s in the boardroom at work, in our backyards with unhealthy homeowner competition, with “friendships” designed to suck you dry and with mental and physical violence designed to keep us enslaved til death.
I made a decision about 5 years ago to banish White Americans from my life in ALL forms. I used to wonder if I was being rash and unreasonable.
Reading these comments on your blog, confirms that I’ve made the right decision.
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@sam
White guys have kicked me into the head, …. hit me in the face. Kicked me into stomach, chest, legs, arms, …. knocked me out couple times. I have had stiches on my face …..stab me, chain whip me, hit me with a baseball bat, with nunchakus, batons, iron pipes, knuckledusters and such. ….told me many times that they are going to kill me, some have propably tried too.
What the h$ell kind of live do you lead that this would happen to you. To even get into these situations means you got major problems. You’re not a normal person, sam.
Do I live in constant fear of the white guys?
If you read my posts, I and nearly all white people don’t live in constant of blacks either. It’s a myth that Abagond and other black scammers are trying to blame on whites.
And USA for some strange reason is a country that lives and breaths fear in high octane. And that is a huge problem, huge huge problem in that culture.
This is not true at all. Americans do not go around living in fear the majority of the time. We do not have a culture of fear.
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@parfum bleu
a guy who gets pleasure at razzing the caged monkeys at the zoo.
Hey, these are your words not mine. But I like them.
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@Linda
Linda sez,
false opinions …cry baby….you are delusional….don’t have very good comprehension skills ….coward and a liar….simple low-life joke you are
Linda demonstrates her open-mindedness. Of course, she’s not racist. What a lovely lady.
I think whites of the past saw this in blacks years ago. That’s probably why they felt they had to keep blacks under wraps, in order to have a civilized society.
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@Truthbetold
I’m tired. Worn out. I don’t know if you feel it but I do.
Truthbetold retires to her fainting couch for the 54th time, with a bad case of the ‘vapors’.
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@ Truth
I agree: the pictures are heartbreaking and some of the comments past sickening. There IS something seriously wrong with white people. The older I get the worse and worse they seem.
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“Bliff,
Linda demonstrates her open-mindedness. Of course, she’s not racist. What a lovely lady.”
Linda says,
Bliff, you and I NEVER had a discussion about my racial views, so you have no idea what I believe in.
I definitely have NO open-mindness where you are concerned because you are an admitted race realist (racist) who likes to say insulting provocative statements.
“Bliff,I think whites of the past saw this in blacks years ago. That’s probably why they felt they had to keep blacks under wraps, in order to have a civilized society.”
Linda says,
Yes, and that’s why I, as a foreign brown woman, intend to teach you uncivilized white Americans some manners…but you are a poor learner
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Truthbetold,
I like reading your posts, the things you say have value and makes for interesting discussions.
you know you can’t take Bliff seriously…
he’s just a coward who feels brave to say things in cyberspace that he can’t say in real life…don’t let people like this get to you…
that’s why I pick at him so he can continue to show us what a pathetic loser he is.
I do agree that the blog hasn’t been the same since Abagond allowed these clowns to stay.
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@ Bliff,
Why don’t you respond to the rest of Truthbetold’s words? You can only pick the statement that you have a silly one-liner set up for? What does that say about you who claims to be old but has the sensibility of a Ringling clown (e.g. Miguel Miquel).
You need to examine yourself and the toxins you generate. They will cause you to degenerate even more over time. Something that is obvious has already been transpiring for decades. Being consumed by hate is like a meth addiction. It will corrode your body and soul.
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@ Linda
Thanks for the lovely compliment.
Bliff represents, at least in my perception, to be what the majority of White Americans think of us but will never say.
Cyberspace is an excellent tool to peak into the minds of racists.
Doug’s drunken slip was more truthful than any other of his post’s.
Randy’s slyness and college-level vocabulary is a great way say without actually saying he hates us.
These people probably sit next to us at work, church and are probably some of our “friends”.
It’s scary to believe that people like them really so exist. This isn’t a movie, it’s real life.
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“truthbetold
These people probably sit next to us at work, church and are probably some of our “friends”.”
You’re right,
I caught one (white co-worker) at work making racial statements online and when I called her out, she expected me to understand because she “wasn’t talking about my people”…but prejudice against one still affects all.
funny enough, it was another white co-worker who turned her in and got her in trouble.
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Sam (..looking at Linda’s comment)
“funny enough, it was another white co-worker who turned her in and got her in trouble.”
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That elusive “tipping (or turning) point” MIGHT arrive when it’s firmly established that racist whites can no longer take for granted the traditional silence and inaction of other whites in the face of racial bigotry.
In other words, when/if enough whites STAND up and are vocal/active against all forms of racism/white supremacy – maybe racism might lose it legs. Otherwise it will remain intact – short of some catastrophic/violent event(s).
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Randy & Bliff,
Okay this where I lose sight of what you two are saying with this self defense BS:
Self defense only applies if someone else attacks you. It does NOT apply if you confront someone on the street with a loaded gun just on the “suspicion” of wrong doing and no actual evidence and end up killing the person.
Zimmerman was CLEARLY the aggressor. Know how we know this?
1) He admitted to following Martin at the time he alerted the authorities.
2) Said authorities told him that HE DID NOT NEED TO BE FOLLOWING TRAYVON, and he continued to ANYWAY.
WHAT reason was there for him to LEAVE HIS CAR after he called 9-1-1? The police were already on the way at that point and he knew this.
Answer that for me.
2) What was Zimmerman “defending” himself against at that point? NO ONE was attacking him at that point and what more was there for him to do? Trayvon was found dead on the sidewalk NOT by Zimmerman’s car.
3)Why would he confront Trayvon, with a loaded weapon, unless he intended to use it at some point?
4)If he just wanted to ask a few questions, ascertain his location( considering he lived in the neighborhood, doubtful) why bring the gun?
I know what you’re going to say next, you’re going to say “Trayvon could have been armed for all Zimmerman knew.”
Right. Trayvon could have had a weapon, which means it stands to reason that Zimmerman should have STAYED IN HIS VEHICLE LIKE THE AUTHORITIES HE HAD ALERTED TOLD HIM TO DO.
None of what he did up to the point of his leaving the car constitutes a crime, but it’s a decent amount of evidence for intent, considering what happened AFTER HE LEFT THE CAR TO CONFRONT TRAYVON.
5)Why do you both keep ignoring the simple fact that Zimmerman confronted Trayvon when he had NO REASON TO DO SO?
6)And have you seen him in police custody a minutes after the shooting? Not a mark on him. No bandage on his supposedly “broken” nose. No scratches, contusions, bleeding, bruises. Nothing.
7) And he didn’t go to a hospital so…how bad were his “injuries” that he supposedly sustained, that he felt NO need whatsoever to seek medical attention, or take it when it was offered, but he felt alright KILLING someone?
I don’t care what Zimmerman claims he did, or claims Trayvon did AFTER he left the car. If he had just waited for the police to come, instead of trying to play George Zimmerman: Neighborhood Watchman Armed and Dangerous, an seventeen year old boy would be alive today.
Also I believe legally lethal force is only permissable when someone is MET with lethal force. Police officers can shoot someone on suspicion of a weapon because they have a “Licence to Kill” and even they have to follow procedure.
Zimmerman was not a member of law enforcement so….no dice there.
If Trayvon had a weapon or pulled a knife on Zimmerman, then MAYBE he would be able to argue self defense. But Trayvon had no weapon. And if Zimmerman was worried he might have one, again he could have just…I dunno…STAYED IN HIS CAR!
Trayvon was not trespassing, he was not breaking and entering, he was not harming anyone, so…. WHAT REASON WAS THERE FOR ZIMMERMAN TO ENGAGE HIM WITH A LOADED WEAPON AFTER HE ALREADY ALERTED THE AUTHORITIES TO THE SITUATION AND KNEW THEY WERE COMING SHORTLY?
I await your responses.
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Randy and Bliff,
I would like to also remind you that trials aren’t decided by supposition, and what if (What Trayvon attacked Zimmerman after he confronted him?), they are decided by FACTS and EVIDENCE. And based off of what is now known, Zimmerman has no defense. None whatsoever.
@ Everyone else
Unfortunately this is the state that acquitted Casey Anthony with no charges, not even child neglect, after she told numerous lies and didn’t report her daughter missing for a month, while she partied with at the club so…. I’m not expecting much. This is also heavy KKK territory and lets face it, in this country black people don’t have to do anything to be attacked and killed.
White people try so hard to act like those things are in the past that it’s right in front of their faces they refuse to see it for what it is.
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Handsome young man.
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Randy & Bliff,
This victim blaming BS is seriously ridiculous. Don’t like the fact that an unarmed teenager was shot? Easy way to deal with that, it was obviously the kids fault. Case closed.
What if he was your child?
Would you be playing Devil’s Advocate (very apt turn of phrase) and siding with reasonable doubt THEN?
Would you be defending Zimmerman if Trayvon he was YOUR son?
Is that what it would take for you to condemn the perpetrator instead of the victim?
I seriously hope no one shoots you after following and then confronting you late at night with a loaded weapon while you were walking around being a law abiding citizen in your own neighborhood.
You would just stand there and not try to defend yourself, or call for help right?
And if you did and you were fatally shot, clearly you’d be just as guilty as the person who shot you for anything of questionable taste, or bad you may have done in your life. Like if you got a speeding ticket earlier that day. Or you got fired from work.
*eyeroll* SMH
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@Linda
Bliff, you and I NEVER had a discussion about my racial views, so you have no idea what I believe in. I definitely have NO open-mindness where you are concerned because you are an admitted race realist (racist)
Well, apparently the big racial discussion between Bliff and Linda has commenced, proceeded, and adjourned. Outcome – We have never talked about racism, but Linda will not be open-minded, so……….what? Don’t even bother?
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@Wong Chia Chi
WHAT REASON WAS THERE FOR ZIMMERMAN TO ENGAGE HIM WITH A LOADED WEAPON
Oh, I can’t imagine why……….MAYBE BECAUSE TREYVON WAS ON TOP OF GZ BEATING THE CRAP OUT OF HIM ?! Could this possibly be the long lost reason you seek ??
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@truthbetold
These people probably sit next to us at work, church and are probably some of our “friends”. It’s scary to believe that people like them really so exist.
Yes, us normal, reasonable people are probably pretty scary to you emotional basketcases. Just remember, truthbetold, whenever you turn around, Bliff is there…watching…just watching.
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“Bliff
@Wong Chia Chi
WHAT REASON WAS THERE FOR ZIMMERMAN TO ENGAGE HIM WITH A LOADED WEAPON
Oh, I can’t imagine why……….MAYBE BECAUSE TREYVON WAS ON TOP OF GZ BEATING THE CRAP OUT OF HIM ?! Could this possibly be the long lost reason you seek ??”
Linda,
and how do you know this Bliff? were you there?
Witnesses say they saw them struggle..1 saw GZ on top, 1 saw TM on top, 13 year old boy recanted because he said he told the cops he didn’t see anythng but they pressured him to say he did.
So unless you have information beside GZ’s verbal statement, then you are giving your opinion and repeating Zimmerman’s unproven excuse.
There is no evidence that supports Zimmermans words, so please post the video that you have in your possession that will show that Zimmerman isn’t lying.
as I stated to you before, every lie or untruth you repeat, I will call you out on.
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@ Bliff
Was Trayvon beating him when he was in his car?
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@truthbetold
I left this post when Bliff showed up to torment. I keep asking myself; Would these people go to a site dedicated to Caylee Anthony and say if only she had behaved better, her mom would not have murdered her? Would they insinuate that Jon Benet Ramsey deserved her violation due to the fact that she paraded herself
around the stage in a bikini?
Even for you, truthbetold, with your emotional irrationality, this is a stupid comment. Caylee was 3 or 4 and Jon Benet was 6. To compare them to Trayvon who was 17 and a football player is the epitome of ridiculousness.
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Wong Chia Chi:
Of course not. I’d be an emotional wreck. That’s why we have an impartial legal system.
Wong Chia Chi:
I’m not defending Zimmerman, but rather defending reason and rationality. I don’t know what happened, and neither does anyone else here. Therefore, anyone who believes they have enough information to render a definitive conclusion is simply not being rational.
Wong Chia Chi:
It’s entirely possible that Martin attacked Zimmerman and was beating him severely. In that scenario, Zimmerman would be the victim who was defending himself.
Wong Chia Chi:
Thanks, I hope so too. However, if someone follows me around and I attack them and start beating their head against the ground, they would have the legal right to use force against me.
I’m not saying that Martin actually did that to Zimmerman, but it’s entirely possible.
I don’t speak in terms of possibilities and doubts because I’m too bashful to share my real beliefs, but rather because it’s the most accurate way to describe such a situation.
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@dave:
“@sam, just because you were beat up by “white” guys doesn’t mean that if you walked through a bad area everyday, you wouldn’t eventually get messed with just because those guys happened to be black.
So in effect you are saying black people are more peaceful and less violent because of race, no matter how bad the neighborhood is . Maybe you are just naive.. You are kind of being biased against white americans”
My point is that when you keep ranting and raving about the criminality of the blacks and how vilent they are, I just wanted to tell that perhaps there are violent white guys too. And I have not said that black people are more peacful or less violent. I just told you what I have experienced.
And by the way, I was not beaten up by white americans either. They were my fellow country men. 😀
“You chose to agree with some of your black counterparts on here that white americans have some social disease.”
I never did. Racism is not a disiease. It is an ideology. To me racism is in the system, or The System. And it seems that is part of the american system. I see it more part of the sickness of the whole society.
@bliff:
“What the h$ell kind of live do you lead that this would happen to you. To even get into these situations means you got major problems. You’re not a normal person, sam.”
I am a quite normal guy. I just grew up in a neighborhood where all kinds of things happened. Lots of kids and very little to do and so on. Lets just say we invented the things to do and they were not always nice things. But now I am a taxpaying citizen who likes nice evenings reading a book etc.
“Americans do not go around living in fear the majority of the time. We do not have a culture of fear.”
Yes you do. Guns, crime, murders, killings, robbings, wrong kind of people, fear of the dark, fear of the nights. It seems mostly think of these things. Nowhere I have been told so many things I am not supposed to do as I have in USA. And these people were thinking what is best to me. Don’t go there, don’t go here, don’t talk to them, don’t look at them, watch out for this or that, look out for that and this. Constantly. All the time. Beaware. Watch out. Be alert. What is that if not fear?
@matari:
I just brought my own experiences up just to show some other white commenters that things are not so simple as they want to believe.
As for the comment on what linda said: you are absolutely right. The biggest reason why these racists are running around like this is that most whites stay silent. White Silence is the major reason for the whole mess. That is also why I opened my mouth.
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Wong Chia Chi:
Not according to Florida law. Even if you are an aggressor, you can use force to defend yourself if the other party is using a disproportionate amount of force against you. In other words, even if Zimmerman was acting hostile, that would not deprive him the legal right to use force in defense if Martin begins to beat him severely.
This point is where many people seem to go astray. They mistakenly think that any action by Zimmerman which might seem aggressive to Martin would then deprive Zimmerman to the to defense, and that does not appear to be the case under the law.
Wong Chia Chi:
In my experience, people with concealed carry permits, especially in the south, often pack them whenever they leave the house.
Wong Chia Chi:
As stated above, “confronting” does not deprive someone of their right to use self-defense if they believe they’re facing severe injury or death.
Wong Chia Chi:
Presumably evidence from the EMTs on the scene will be revealed at the trial and answer those types of questions.
Wong Chia Chi:
If Zimmerman’s account is true, and of course we don’t know if it is, then the reason a 17 year old is dead is because he attacked a guy with a gun.
Wong Chia Chi:
From what I’ve heard lawyers discussing, Zimmerman’s reason doesn’t appear to matter. If Zimmerman’s story is true, then he was acting in self-defense. If not, then he unlawfully killed Martin.
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I’m not saying that Martin actually did that to Zimmerman, but it’s entirely possible.
http://nation.foxnews.com/trayvon-martin/2012/03/29/abc-zimmerman-captured-surveillance-video-after-shooting
By the way, he doesn’t have a mark on him the police surveillance video.
How is it possible for him to have been “attacked” and “had his head bashed bashed on the ground” with no bruises or no bleeding, no swelling, no scratches. No bandages or medical attention to at least corroborate his “attack” story.
The back of his head looks perfectly intact to me in that video.
So he somehow “had the crap beaten out of him” with no visible injuries sustained, MINUTES, after the attack?
I don’t speak in terms of possibilities and doubts because I’m too bashful to share my real beliefs, but rather because it’s the most accurate way to describe such a situation.
You just contradicted yourself. You said it’s “possible” Martin attacked Zimmerman, but then go on to say that you don’t want to speak in possibilities.
You clearly are speaking in possibilities, and what ifs.
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=( “Black hair before grey” I believe is a Korean expression to express the unnatural and painful experience of losing a child. Thanks for sharing these pictures of Martin, may he rest in peace.
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Student of the World:
You didn’t parse my sentence correctly. I’m saying that I speak in possibilities because that’s the most accurate way to describe such a situation.
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@ Randy
http://nation.foxnews.com/trayvon-martin/2012/03/29/abc-zimmerman-captured-surveillance-video-after-shooting
How is it possible for him to have been “attacked” and “had his head bashed bashed on the ground” with no bruises or no bleeding, no swelling, no scratches. No bandages or medical attention to at least corroborate his “attack” story.
The back of his head looks perfectly intact to me in that video.
So he somehow “had the crap beaten out of him” with no visible injuries sustained, MINUTES, after the attack?
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@ randy
Why are you so focused on the “possiblities” when the facts and evidence tell the story?
I’ll repeat my other questions just to see what you come up with:
1)WHAT reason was there for George Zimmerman to LEAVE HIS CAR after he called 9-1-1? The police were already on the way at that point and he knew this.
Answer that for me.
2) What more was there for him to do? Why did he follow Trayvon after he lost sight of him? What reason was there for him not to just wait until the police arrived like he was instructed to do?
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3) Trayvon was not trespassing, he was not breaking and entering, he was not harming anyone including Zimmerman. So why did immerman feel the need to stalk him?
Even IF Trayvon attacked the George Zimmerman he was defending himself from someone who was stalking him while he was walking alone at night.
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Student of the World:
The image below appears to show an injury. However the broader question is a good one, and is likely to be presented as evidence in the trial.
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@ Randy
The part you’re conveniently ignoring is that by “following” Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman was ATTACKING Martin. How was Martin to know what Zimmerman’s intentions were?
FOLLOWING Martin, on foot, was not a part of his job as a member of the neighborhood watch. He already did his job by a alerting the authorities. Initiating contact with Martin was
a)not necessary
b) he was told not to continue doing it!
So Zimmerman was “defending” himself against an unarmed seventeen year old that he was stalking, after he was instructed not to?
The fact that he had to look for Martin in the first place for the “attack” to even begin shows that Zimmerman was the aggressor and not the victim.
What victim follows after their attacker?
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@ Randy
You’re clearly grasping at straws. I don’t know where you got that still but in the real time video his skin is intact. You can see the top and back of his head when he gets out of the police car in the first 14 seconds of the video.
You would take a photograph, that’s clearly been tampered with by someone, and that’s from the internet, over real time footage?
Are you joking me?
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Student of the World:
An aggressor retains the right to use force in self-defense if the other party uses disproportionate force against him. Zimmerman following Martin does not grant Martin the right to beat Zimmerman’s head against the ground, nor does it deprive Zimmerman the right to use force to defend himself in that situation.
Basically, you’re suggesting that if Person A follows Person B, Person B can beat Person A to death and say, “well, he WAS following me, so I’m entitled to beat him to death”. That’s not how the law appears to be written.
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Is that photo even from a reputable news source? It’s not even zoomed in it just looks like someone photo shopped it darker and then put red over it.
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@ Randy
What victim follows after their attacker?
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@Randy
An aggressor retains the right to use force in self-defense if the other party uses disproportionate force against him.
Disproportionate? Zimmerman had a gun. What weapon did Martin have?
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@ Randy
“An aggressor retains the right to use force in self-defense if the other party uses disproportionate force against him.”
That goes against what the definition of what an aggressor even is.
ag·gres·sor/əˈgresər/
Noun:
A person or country that attacks another first
So basically you’re suggesting that if Person A stalks Person B while they are
a)walking by themselves
b)at night
c) they are a minor
d) Person A does not identify themselves or state their intentions toward Person B
d)Person A ignores instructions to stay away from Person B
Then Person A can shoot Person B in ensuing confrontation, that Person A INITIATED and say they were defending themselves because Person B who is now dead and can’t defend themselves, attacked Person A
The law doesn’t appear to be written that way either. And even the governor who drafted the law said Zimmerman has no protection under it.
And admitting that George Zimmerman was the aggressor, which he clearly was, means that Martin was in a position where he had to defend himself.
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Student of the World:
776.041 Use of force by aggressor.–The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant;
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@ Randy
When George Zimmerman left his vehicle he lost his claim to self defense at that point.
When he decided to leave his car, after he was instructed not to by the emergency dispatch not to do so, George Zimmerman started the sequence of events that lead to him shooting and killing Trayvon Martin.
There was no reason for him to be stalking Trayvon on foot.
None.
It wasn’t in his job description as a member of the neighborhood watch, it went AGAINST his job description actually. George Zimmerman wasn’t supposed to have a weapon either!
And IF, very big IF, a fight happened, Zimmerman started it by STALKING A SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD BOY WALKING ALONE AT NIGHT WITHOUT STATING HIS INTENTIONS OR IDENTIFYING HIMSELF.
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(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant
According to what you just posted Trayvon was in HIS legal right to confront Zimmerman.
Not the other way around.
According to Zimmerman Trayvon disappeared : ” Zimmerman told police officials that he lost sight of Martin and went around a townhouse to see where he was. Then he claimed Martin confronted him and punched him, knocking him down.
So Trayvon noticed Zimmerman following him. He walked away from the area of immediate danger and hid himself from Zimmerman’s view.
At that point Zimmerman
1) got out of his car
2) followed Martin on foot, after he was instructed not to do so
Trayvon, at this point, would’ve exhausted every reasonable means of escape under the stand your ground law and was in HIS legal right to defend himself by using force. He tried walking away, and he was hiding when Zimmerman came after him.
At this point Zimmerman has still
1) Not identified himself.
2) Not stated his intentions.
This is assuming he was attacked by Martin at all which I don’t believe but even in this hypothetical scenario Zimmerman is still has no legal protection under the stand your ground law.
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@Randy
It’s funny how you and people like you employ these “rational” arguments when defending the crimes of white people.
I don’t know if you just enjoy defending indefensible acts, and white people collectively just happen to have committed so much of them, that you find yourself in this position often, or if you seriously believe what you try to argue.
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WOW.
You guys, you know who you are, are sick.
How do you sleep at night?
May God have mercy on your souls.
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@Truthbetold
I understand your sentiments sister, I do. And I have always since I began visiting this blog.
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More on the Scott / Cervini case:
http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490755/awaiting-verdict-in-roderick-scott-trial–911-call-released/
Jurors continued deliberations in the Roderick Scott trial Friday.
Scott is charged with first-degree manslaughter, and he is accused of shooting Christopher Cervini, 17, on April 4 on Baneberry Way in Greece.
Scott admits he shot the teen, but claims he did so in self-defense with his legally-registered hand gun when the teen lunged at him.
Jurors were sequestered Thursday night and resumed deliberations at 9 a.m. Friday morning. At 6 o’clock Friday evening, the jurors asked for a review of evidence and a read back of Scott’s testimony from where he told Cervini to stop.
YNN also received a copy of the 911 call Roderick Scott and his girlfriend placed following the shooting of Chris Cervini. His attorney, John Parrinello, released it. The call was not submitted as evidence in the trial, thus the jury never heard it.
Cervini, his cousin and another teen were drinking gin and rifling through cars outside Scott’s house looking for cigarettes at the time of the shooting.
Defense Attorney John Parrinello delivered his closing arguments Wednesday. He said Scott shot the teen because he feared for his life when Cervini came towards him.
Scott, who took the stand in his own defense, testified that he walked down the driveway and saw a person standing on the sidewalk. He said he chambered a bullet because “I wanted to protect myself and I intended to.”
Prosecutor Julie Finocchio delivered her closing arguments Thursday morning. She told jurors that although Cervini and the two other teens were doing things they should not have been doing, that jurors promised not to let those facts dictate how they decide the case.
She had emphasized that the case came down to whether or not Roderick Scott intended to hurt or kill Chris Cervini, and whether the shooting was justified.
Finocchio said the trajectory of at least one of the bullets that hit Cervini disproved the self-defense claim by Scott. She told jurors that Cervini was shot from behind which proves the teen was not coming towards Scott at the time of the shooting.
She also said that while Cervini did come towards Scott at some point, it was after he had been shot. She believes Cervini fell to his knees, and was in the fetal position, which put him in a position where he could crawl.
Defense Attorney John Parrinello requested a mistrial several times. All those requests were denied by Judge David Egan.
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@ Randy
Nice try though :(. And I love the way you say my argument is irrational when you haven’t actually attacked my points, except the ones where you had a little bit of room to argue based of of supposition.
That’s such a latch ditch ad homiem too, claiming what someone is saying is irrational. Without really providing a counter argument to dispute what they’re saying.
Randy…I expected better.
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And in my opinion they are doing a bit of CYA with the Stand your ground law, because this case show’s the law has many flaws.
That it does. But that still doesn’t change the fact that they said it doesn’t apply to the Trayvon Martin case. And they wrote the law so I think they are allowed to say how it gets interpreted and enforced, especially if it’s being misapplied.
There are sure to be some differing legal arguments but Randy was acting as what I was saying was completely far fetched and “irrational”. Yeah turns out it’s not.
Have they retracted their statements in wake of more facts coming out about the case?
I can’t find anything that says they did so I’m assuming they stand by what they said. But correct me if I’m wrong.
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@ JT
And because of his daddy, he will most likely have a reduced sentence.
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It is Zimmerman’s dad that has been perpetuating the lies about having his head bashed in:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/04/20/zimmerman-s-wife-he-s-not-violent.html.”
We are supposed to trust the filth coming out from this unrepentent family? Their interests are to slander Trayvon’s memory and ensure George Zimmerman doesn’t go to jail. We shouldn’t be trusting a word that comes out of their lying mouths.
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@ JT
“I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of your son,” a stoic Zimmerman said from the witness stand. “I did not know how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am and I did not know if he was armed or not.”
This is Zimmerman’s statement in court.
How…unemotional. I wonder about his mental health.
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@ JT
White supremacy will destroy itself from the inside out. Because white people trip over themselves making excuses for pyschopaths and murderers, just to maintain their image of superiority to everyone else.
Even with Casey Anthony, what community would acquit that woman for what she “allegedly” *sarcasm* did but white people? White female’s fragility is so cherished that even an unrepentant pathological liar, and negligent mother, at least, child murderer at worst, gets a pass.
The justice system in this country has always been ridiculous, but white people keep so much faith in it despite it’s glaring flaws and injustices, even when they become it’s target.
White people are so busy being scared of “the other” that they downplay or excuse crimes that people they know commit. Even when those crimes affect them more! It’s like if they can’t scapegoat another race, they’ll just act like it’s no big deal.
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@ Truthbetold,
Zimmerman can’t handle apologizing to black people I guess. Just like every other psuedo-apology we’ve seen. I’ve seen serial killers show more emotion and say more thoughtful things than that.
I love how even now, in a thread about TRAYVON, we’re focusing everything around the racists and Zimmerman. Black people can’t even have a memorial thread without it being made about the men (or point of view) that killed them. I didn’t come to this thread thinking I’d see Bliff, Inconvenient Truth and others managing to do what they usually do. I expected some manner of human decency, but I suppose that’s just impossible. Even now, instead of admitting they were wrong, using wrong pictures, or made an assumption of a young man and his family, they just rather grasp for straws and find other reasons to blame them for his death. Why can’t they just say “No. he did not deserve to die, not like that. Yes, it’ kill me to lose my loved one like that.” Where’s the basic, human empathy?
Frankly, at this point I don’t care what Zimmerman thinks, and I’m far beyond caring what Bliff or Dave think. He is a killer who thought to follow and shoot someone without legal permission to do so. I don’t know if I would be friendly if some weird older guy came huffing and puffing asking me if I lived in a neighborhood. Why would I even answer that? That’s asking to have some creep follow me (and then if I were hurt in my home there’d be some racist douchebag trying to justify how me being approachable meant I deserved to die). Last time I checked, teenagers don’t have to ask permission from crazy white men to be able to walk around in their parent’s neighborhood. I’m so over it. Its too emotionally draining for me. We’re not “black”, but me and my brother do have a darker skin tone and that boy could be my brother. They dress the same. He is also autistic. A man like Zimmerman would shoot him without regard because A: he’s darker skinned and loves hoodies, and B. he doesn’t communicate effectively due to his autism. I can’t handle the idea that there’s some freak out there who’d sit there and justify his death. Why not right? He doesn’t have good record for communication at school (even though he has good grades) due to his autism, clearly if he died it would be his fault for not turning to his killer and answering him clearly after being followed.
This is a screwed up world where the victim (as long as he/she is black) is treated as less important than the person who killed him. We understand and comfort the parents of dead kids who put up old pictures of their children (their most cherished, as is their right) when they’re white, but when they’re black they’re treated as being “dishonest”. Racist people can’t see black people as human enough to treat their dead loved ones with any ounce of respect. There always has to be this suspicion, like even black victims and their families have to PROVE that they’re victims worthy of “precious white sympathy”. They know damn well if it were their loved ones, they’d have nice pictures up, they’d want other people to be able to treat them fairly without regards to their race or financial standing.
It’s just…
Emotionally killing me. I don’t like that these racists are given the same leeway as people who genuinely want to discuss and debate these issues. It’s not my blog, but it’s tough to read people being continuously insulted with the same damn arguments, to the point where ti’s become a game and they can’t even make a thread about a young black victim without some jerk trying to derail it and insult black people by using that young man’s death. There’s no ounce of respect given towards the victim or the people who share his blood or skin color, and it’s ridiculous.
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I agree with Ace.
Bliff, Dave, Inconvenient Truth and Randy are BANNED FROM THIS THREAD.
If they post here they will be banned from the blog.
If they want to take issue with my decision, they can do so on the Open Thread.
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Zimmerman is also off topic here.
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Trayvon’s name and memory will not be forgotten no matter what these race realists do or say.
@ Ace,
Amazingly said. Couldn’t dream to have put it better! Thank you!!!! I can’t believe the lack of caring they exhibit. It makes me sick.
@ Abagond,
Nice call but can we extend that thread ban to a blog ban? LOL =) You knew id try 😉
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@ Ace
Reading your post made me cry.
Your words are beautiful and heartfelt, Ace.
I understand about your little brother. One of my second cousins has a mild development disorder and we also struggle with communication. Ace, does this open your eyes? To the insanity and raw hatred of some people? Are you shocked? Because I am.
Don’t laugh, but I used think that this kind of mentality only happens in the big screen with some mega director barking orders at his actors. I always read about people’s experiences with hatred but never really understood. Until I experienced it. It is very real, my friend. And your little brother, you or any member of your family with brown/tan/dark skin could have been Trayvon.
I crumbled that night when I saw his face.
I was so upset but couldn’t figure out why. My brother was the one to make the connection that Trayvon looks like our nephew, Andrew.
This shooting is so damn hard for more than one reason.
Not only do we train our kids to act and speak a certain way around the police but now we have to warn them on how to behave around perfect strangers?
What do you tell a child to do and say when a vigilante with an axe to grind approaches them? They aren’t the police, yet they can take your life for the simple fact that you exist. And to add salt to the wound, you have obvious racists that come on this particular thread, for Travyon’s memory and defile him for shits and giggles.
Ace, my grandma, a Lakota Sioux told me tales of the devil. He takes many forms, is everywhere and whispers in your ear. You know that voice that whispers to you to act out in vengeful anger?
That’s Him.
That same voice whispers in the ear of many posters here. Willing them to come here, day after day, to agitate, curse, torment, laugh and spew the most vile hateful sentiments about us.
You probably saw that I’ve written many times that I’m in constant mental discontent about them. I feel sorry for them, for they are lost. But I also have contempt for their wicked ways.
Take a deep breath and relax.
God misses nothing.
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@Ace
I don’t like that these racists are given the same leeway as people who genuinely want to discuss and debate these issues. It’s not my blog, but it’s tough to read people being continuously insulted with the same damn arguments, to the point where ti’s become a game and they can’t even make a thread about a young black victim without some jerk trying to derail it and insult black people by using that young man’s death. There’s no ounce of respect given towards the victim or the people who share his blood or skin color, and it’s ridiculous.
A heartfelt post. Well said.
I tried to demonstrate the ignorant and unpleasant way in which these people were coming across in a post which caused Bliff to get irate as I guess he was unhappy with the fact I was trying to control the tone of the blog.
I stopped commenting on this particular blog at the time myself because I could see that it was effectively being hijacked.
The more they posted their salacious comments, the more others tried to defend things but nevertheless they were the winners, sullying a blog which was put up in the hope of being a positive testimony, a memorial to the death of Trayvon.
It would be nice to think that maybe Abagond could clear off the rubbish on this particular blog and leave all of the decent and respectful comments – I as a parent would like to think that if in the future, Trayvon’s parents/family/friends were browsing the internet and came across this, it would be a positive memorial to the tragic and needless loss of Trayvon.
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@dave
Having come on here today I am a bit perplexed about the mention of my name in a comment from you further upthread, a comment which seems really random….?
Demerera has said that I only make controversy to get attention, then she is sometimes surprised by my positive comments.. Like there is a some battle inside me. But I will look inward for a minute.
Are you trying to get my attention dave? Is that it? I am happy to chat with you on a level but this thread is not the place to do it.
I would be grateful if you could elaborate on the Open Thread as to why you felt it necessary to raise on here in the first place or what your intentions were?
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@ Abagond,
Honestly, I have to thank you for that, personally. I know that I personally could not sit here and read another insulting, baiting post like the ones they were coming up with. I actually felt ill this time.
@ Truthbetold,
I cried writing it, actually. I appreciate the compliment, I didn’t want to derail this but I had to express just why his death (and the reactions to it) makes me feel so hurt and angry.
“I understand about your little brother. One of my second cousins has a mild development disorder and we also struggle with communication.”
One of the things I will always regret is sitting there and asking him if he could “act normal”. We were in an IHOP. As if I had the right to judge him on what he could not control and base his worth on how well he sticks to my idea of what a person is or should act/look like. I remember it really upset him, and seeing how certain people justified that young man’s death reminded me of how I talked to my brother that day.
“Ace, does this open your eyes? To the insanity and raw hatred of some people? Are you shocked? Because I am.”
Yes and no. Yes because I can no longer sit there and act like that hatred is some weird extreme that no one has to deal with. No because I’ve always sort of knew it was there. I just thought the privileges I had (my fathers complexion protection, our money, our education) could protect us from it. I feel no safer knowing that we need every bit of those to keep from being just another disenfranchised family of color.
”
Don’t laugh, but I used think that this kind of mentality only happens in the big screen with some mega director barking orders at his actors. I always read about people’s experiences with hatred but never really understood. Until I experienced it. It is very real, my friend. And your little brother, you or any member of your family with brown/tan/dark skin could have been Trayvon.”
And that’s what scares me. That in the end, my brother, myself, my family will be deemed as worthless because a bigot with a gun thought his autism was scary. All of that wasted life and potential. I never understood it, in fact, for a long time I was the sort of person who agreed with that. I had it in my mind that black people earned the hatred they get, and if they’d only been less “this” or “that” they’d be treated better. I was a very hateful person then. Now…all I can think of is what if that was my brother. What if that was my reality, day in and day out.
Yeah, I saw him in the pictures with his family, and it reminded me of our trip to sedona and the pictures we took. Imagining the loss was what really broke me.
I understand completely. Though that’s what scares me. How can you feel safe when you know that there’s a wanna be cop out there thinking he can approach your kids and doing the safe thing can get them killed? They aren’t even cops and yet they’re allowed to follow you and if necessary “put you down”? How are kids going to feel when they know they can’t venture out to the movies and walk home or go to the store for some quick snacks while their white friends do, just because there’s someone out there who might feel “threatened” by them and might act on that? Then you have people who justify stamping on the freedoms of these people by telling them they can’t walk where they want, wear what they want or be a typical teenager. Worse still, you’ve got people who are just being sadistic and feeding off of the pain of the family.
“Ace, my grandma, a Lakota Sioux told me tales of the devil. He takes many forms, is everywhere and whispers in your ear. You know that voice that whispers to you to act out in vengeful anger?
That’s Him.”
Wow…that’s poignant. Because even now, I think of those people and I grit and gnash my teeth in anger.
“That same voice whispers in the ear of many posters here. Willing them to come here, day after day, to agitate, curse, torment, laugh and spew the most vile hateful sentiments about us.”
Again, that’s poignant. Wonderful choice of words, and honestly I can agree with you. That’s not very different than the view my parents have always taken. The thing that gets me is that they’re so unrepentant. It’s one thing to make a mistake, or say horrible things. It’s another to do so, and feel happy about that. I don’t think I’d be as upset if they weren’t so disrespectful and brazenly snotty about it. Thank you for sharing your grandmother’s tales, I appreciate that you are willing to do that.
“You probably saw that I’ve written many times that I’m in constant mental discontent about them. I feel sorry for them, for they are lost. But I also have contempt for their wicked ways.”
Yes I’ve seen that but its tough to stay in the “happy medium” of hating their actions but seeing them as someone to feel sorry for. Your better than I am. I’m falling into the “contempt” category myself.
“Take a deep breath and relax.
God misses nothing.”
Very true. That knowledge still gives me comfort in the end.
@ Demerera,
It was clear at that point what their intentions were, and that was watching black people squirm. It’s like they know the knife is in deep, so they keep twisting it in different directions. It’s gross.
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Bliff shut the hell up it is people like you who are burning in hell now and when you die your goin to be right beside them burning in hell you need to learn some respect for the dead let trayvon rest in peace
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There was no need for Trayvon to die.He was an innocent boy.Shame on the commenters making disgusting remarks about him.
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Police have enough evidence to lock up zimmerman trust me i know alot about this case
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[…] Trayvon Martin’s family shares personal pictures with GlobalGrind. Pictures courtesy of Martin/Fulton family. Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/Trayvon-Martin-9-Days-Before-Death-Photo#ixzz1sIoGb8Rj The pictures of him in the orange Reeses’s T-shirt were apparently taken nine days before he died. […]
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Unfortunately, you are all letting your emotions get the best of you. The photos above show a man, and if Trayvon had killed Zimmerman, he would have been charged as an adult in a court of law. You cannot argue that. If anyone on this board knew Trayvon personally, as in have spent more than 24 hours with him in person, please raise your hand….. I thought so. None of you have done that. You are inserting yourself and opinions into this case which make you seem mentally ill. There are some really nice photos of Charles Manson when he was young too. Would you say he was such a sweet boy? Unless you knew this kid personally or were at the crime scene as a witness you need to stop and consider all sides of the story because you all sound like you need psychological help. But just show me your photo when you were 12. I will say you look like such a sweet kid who enjoys spending time with their family.
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Jackie:
If anyone on this board knew Trayvon personally, as in have spent more than 24 hours with him in person, please raise your hand….. I thought so. None of you have done that.
And i’ll wager that you havent either.
There are some really nice photos of Charles Manson when he was young too. Would you say he was such a sweet boy?
Are there? – He doesnt seem to be all that photogenic to me but I take your word for it.
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“Jackie, Unfortunately, you are all letting your emotions get the best of you. The photos above show a man, and if Trayvon had killed Zimmerman, he would have been charged as an adult in a court of law.”
The only people who see a “man” are white POC like you…I’m sure Trayvon looks just like every black boy you see anyway because “don’t they all look alike”
go launder and press your white robe for your next rally.
Now that the trial will start soon all the sewer rats are coming up for air.
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@ Jackie
You right we don’t know trayvon personally, but we also don’t know George Zimmerman either. The problem is people think George is automatically innocent even the police thought so or they would’ve tested his blood for drugs and alcohol too not just trayvons. The problem I have with this case and many others is not how young or old he is, but what happened. Even if he was a grown man he is 17 and was still considered a child, it isn’t right that they think he is guilty automatically.
i’m upset with the fact that George got to walk away as if nothing happened because the police didn’t do their job. Here’s an example of another stand your ground case, it happened in Georgia but the person who shot in self defense is in prison. John mcneil confronted a man to leave his property but the man pulled out a knife. john fired a warning shot but the man charged at him with the knife and john shot and killed him, now do you think that is self defense or not? If you answered yes then good, because that is a perfect example of self defense, and the law failing. If a man who shot someone on his property gets prison time then if the law is equal shouldn’t another man have to stand trial and let the jury decide if he is innocent?
http://www.salon.com/2012/04/11/when_stand_your_ground_fails/
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It makes me so sad that the racist White AmeriKKKlan media sees him as a thug because of the color of his skin and because of some of his indiscretions. I am 17 and a Black girl and this boy was walking to the store to get ice tea and Skittles for his little brother. And this George Zimmerman guy targeted him and thought he was suspicious because he was a Black boy wearing a hoodie and walking out late at night. So he felt that it was his right to protect the neighbor from criminals(which was George Zimmerman’s job since he was the neighborhood watchman), he got out and fought him and he came out alive and Trayvon came out dead.
George Zimmerman deserves to go to jail and I hope he does. What he did was wrong.
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So was this
A gangsta thug who deserved what he got.
And Zimmerman’s not white, btw.
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@Bobby
You are not the sharpest troll are you?
The first photo is so blurry you can’t tell who it is (guy does not appear to be the same build as Martin)
The second photo is of gold teeth, which is not a sign of a thug. Ever hear of gold fillings? I am sure everyone who gets them must be thugs then?
http://www.webmd.com/oral-health/guide/dental-health-fillings
“And Zimmerman’s not white, btw”—Interesting that you would say that considering that you just equated white looks and features to being white. You even went so far as to argue that people that Egyptians (many of who are of the same skin tone of Zimmerman and look) were white. I guess people are only white for convenience?
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@Bobby,
“A gangsta thug who deserved what he got.”
So you knew Trayvon personally? What we do know is that he was an unarmed teenager who is now dead.
“And Zimmerman’s not white, btw.”
Tell that to his physician who declared him as White during court testimony. The Sanford police told reporters he was White. Black people didn’t assign his race in all of the media coverage. His ethnicity is Peruvian and White. Considering patients identify their race with their doctors you can take this issue up with Zimmerman.
BERNIE DE LA RIONDA, LEAD PROSECUTOR: And do you recognize that exhibit as part of the medical records that are kept at your family practice?
LINDZEE FOLGATE, PHYSICIAN’S ASSISTANT: Yes.
RIONDA: I’ve highlighted certain parts that I want to ask you specifically about. So if you can just make reference to those.
FOLGATE: OK.
RIONDA: That record would indicate he was a patient of yours and he’s got his name George M. Zimmerman, 27 years old, male, race white, is that correct?
FOLGATE: Correct.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1306/28/cg.02.html
Zimmerman could be White, Brown, Yellow or Purple and it doesn’t justify his actions. All of this deflection does not diminish the fact that Trayvon was falsely profiled and unarmed at the time of his death.
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@bygodsloveandgrace
Thank you for those transcripts. I was not aware his doctor identified him as white. As the saying goes…..White until you commit a crime.
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OFF TOPIC: Whether Trayvon Martin was a thug.
There is already a whole post and thread on that:
Please continue the discussion there. Any further comments on it here will be deleted.
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@ Sharina. You’re very welcome.
@ Abagond. Apologies I was caught up in the discussion and will do better to abide by the rules.
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@ Abagond
Sorry for straying as well.
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