Birthers are racist. They do not see blacks as Real Americans, which is why they have a hard time seeing Obama as the true American president.
White racists see whites as the Real Americans. They see the others – blacks, Asian Americans, Latinos, Muslim Americans and even Native Americans – as People Who Live in America by Accident.
You saw that on television after Katrina hit New Orleans: it was like it was another country, the kind you send help to after several days. Like Haiti or some part of Africa – with bodies lying in the street and everything. It was like it was not a true part of America.
White racists do not see Obama as truly American. They:
- Question his manner of birth – in spite of the facts (Birthers).
- Question his religion, making it seem un-American (Secret Muslim, Rev. Wright).
- Question why he does not wear a flag pin.
- Talk about taking back “our” country, even though they never did that under past Democratic presidents (Tea Party).
- Or, when they are for him, notice that he is “half white”, Not Truly Black.
Even the last one refuses to see blacks as Real Americans.
This is not about his father being foreign-born. After all, there are six other presidents who had foreign-born parents: Arthur, Buchanan, Hoover, Jackson, Jefferson and Wilson. Where, then, are the six other Birther conspiracies?
The Democrats did try to make an issue out of Chester Arthur, but it never caught fire. Neither did questions in the 2008 election about McCain being born in the Panama Canal Zone. Why is that?
Even more damning: most people have no idea where Joe Biden’s parents or John McCain’s mother were born. Were any of them foreign-born? Does it matter? No, of course not. Biden and McCain look white and speak with an American accent and that is “good enough” to count as a Real American. No long form birth certificate required.
Some say the Birther thing is just ordinary party politics. The sitting president is always picked apart by the other side. Clinton had Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky. Bush had his National Guard service and his losing battle with the English language.
But the Birther thing is not like that:
- It is completely made up.
- It is driven by the grass roots, not the snakes in Washington.
- It strikes at the American president’s very Americanness, not at some wrongdoing or incompetence.
More: In July 2009 only 47% of the south thought Obama was born in America while 93% of the north-east did. The north-east is more Democratic, true, but not by that much.
Yet more: a study by Eric Hehman in the March 2011 issue of the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology showed that whites who are more prejudiced against blacks are also more likely to see Obama as un-American. Whites who were not prejudiced did not see him that way. Neither did blacks, prejudiced or not.
See also:
- TheGrio: Goldie Taylor: Why Obama shouldn’t have had to ‘show his papers’ – excellent piece
- G.L. Piggy: Responding to Abagond on Birtherism – which is in answer to the following post:
- Birthers
- The four kinds of humans
Of course birthers are racist. Why else the whole hoopla? No other reason than a black man in the WHITE house.
The picture on top speaks in volumes. The nazis were birthers too. You had to get a very long form to prove your racial identity. Same thing is going on here. Excately the same thing. These morons just do not see it because they are not wearing uniforms and funny looking shorts and leather belts. But it is the same thing all over again.
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During American slavery free black people were often stopped and asked to show their “papers.” Here it is 2011 and President Obama is being asked to show his.
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That’s the other thing that’s so ironic when it comes to nonserviam’s typical bs claim that Rev. Wright is racist and racist specifically for saying, “G-d damn America!”
Implicit in that claim (one in which numerous White Americans have made) is the idea that America=White.
The Whites as “real Americans” idea was front and center in the 2008 election with both Hilary Clinton and Sarah Palin playing the that card rather overtly.
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The circumstances of Barack Jr.’s birth and Barak Sr.’s/Stanley Ann’s “marriage” are definitely very murky. However, moral dubiousness aside, it looks like (at the moment) he was born to an American citizen on the American soil, so there is nothing in the law of the land, apparently, that disqualifies him from being POTUS.
The real issue, of course, is whether BHO Jr.’s shining record of accomplishments qualifies him to hold onto the Presidency. But that is for voters to decide.
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There’s, of course, an issue of Barry Soetoro’s possible Indonesian citizenship, but… whatever. There are bigger problems with BHO Jr.’s presidency.
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“There’s, of course, an issue of Barry Soetoro’s possible Indonesian citizenship, but… whatever”
Really…who cares!!! Obama can be anything he wants because HE did not RUIN the US American economy.
George Bush, Republican president, and the Republican controlled Congress f-ked up the country by spending money on a war they did not budget for, chose to ignore and silently stood by as big corporations started sending away the middle-classes jobs overseas to China, India; made it possible for banks and investment firms to make a killing in real estate by saying nothing as the fed reserve decreased the interest rate points (because that bubble is what continued to prop up the failing economy after the dot.com bubble)
…these sore losers (Republicans) won’t shut up and try to attempt to correct the problems that THEY helped create and propagate on their watch…
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You will not find me among the Bush admirers.
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Whine, whine, whine, comparing birthers to Nazis is nothing more then an attempt to argue by volume and drown out the other side of the arguement. President Obama prefers to let the birther distraction because he can not justify his own agenda. Obama complained loudly about President Bush’s foreign policy and then continued it while blasting the president he is emulating. As for the economy President and Senator Obama has only made the economic crisis worse by his management and profligate spending.
The left and leftists (for the most part) are not sincere in their attack on racism and racists. More often (95%) it is nothing more then a card played to shut up political opponents. Where was the defense of Condelleeza Rice when she was subject to racists attacks? Where was the defense of physical assaults on black people who were part of the tea party? Is this tolerance?
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When do the war crime trials begin against the birthers begin? Should be an interesting Kangaroo court.
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This theory doesn’t explain the black birthers. See the movement spawned by Pastor Manning, as but one example.
There’s much more to it than race. As someone mentioned in the prior thread, “birtherism” is complex because Americans have hundreds of overlapping factions, sects and competing worldviews – sometimes trapped up in a single brain. It’s conspiracism, and that isn’t limited to race.
There’s a good deal of plain old dirty tricks, here. This started a political maneuver and it’s blossomed from there, but at the root it remains the work of a political campaign attempting to delegtimize a competitor.
It is of course,easier to delegitimize a black candidate/President, but that’s a different story.
Paranoid conspiracism is a feature of the American moral and political landscape. Birtherism is part of that. There are obviously racists who cannot accept that Obama is a duly elected Presient, but to assume that all Birthers is racist is a less than rigorous argument.
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Birth certificate or not, Obama is a lousy prez. Idk why it matters whther birthers are racist or if white racist see us as being “real Americans.” Why take these ppl seriously when they are not worth. the time?
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@ e-dub
I believe the left is far more serious about fighting racism than you give them credit for. There are no results though, because everytime one mentions a problem with racism, the right puts their fingers in their ears and screams “Anti-Racism means Anti-White!” and “Stop with the White Guilt!” Someone has to give, and it the responsobility doesn’t lie with those trying to stop racism.
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A LOT, maybe even most Black Americans do not see Hispanics and Asians as real Americans. To be honest, I don’t think they are necessarily racist for it. They are just reacting to what they perceive as the ‘other’ and what they see in the media. Its possible that whites do the same.
I mean we can speculate over whether birthers are racist or not all day, but we have no way of knowing unless they took a poll where the majority actually come out and say they hate blacks.
Fact is some are racist, some are conspiracy theorists, others just hate liberals, and others are all three. I don’t believe we can claim ALL or even the majority of these folks are racist. I think this post is a little unfair to those birthers who are simply missing some screws in their head
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“This theory doesn’t explain the black birthers. See the movement spawned by Pastor Manning, as but one example.”
two words: House Negro
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“A LOT, maybe even most Black Americans do not see Hispanics and Asians as real Americans. To be honest, I don’t think they are necessarily racist for it.”
I do.
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@King
Do you mind expounding on that? I mean, not seeing a certain group as real Americans maybe wrong, but I fail to see how that translates into hatred or race supremacy.
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Sure. I don’t see racism *only* as race supremacy, but also as ascribing entire races of people with certain characteristics, based on their common appearance, lineage, or culture.
But then again, if one sees themselves (and their own ethnicity) as fully American, but sees other groups of American citizens as non-Americans (based on their ethnicity) I’d say that there was a certain brand of racial supremacy at work.
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King, I agree. Somebody not seeing Hispanics or Asians as American solely because of their race is racist.
@Cynic
racial hatred or racial supremacy is one kind of racism. according to Oxford, racism is the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race , especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
note that inferiority or superiority is not a necessary feature of racism. so, to think that being American is a quality that Hispanics or Asians cannot have, even though being American has nothing to do with race, is racist.
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They don’t want to see a black as president. I mean, just say that! Atleast, be honest about it.
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@King
I am not speaking about ppl who explicitly see another group as not really being American, I was more-so discussing those who implicitly feel this way.
@Angelsanddimensions
Your Oxford definition does not pertain to my example. The ppl I am discussing are well aware of the fact that Asians & Hispanics can be American citizens. The question is, do they really see these groups as being an integral part of the American identity & culture? If you owned your own grocery, would you put the teriyaki chicken in the meat/frozen foods isle or the ethnic/foreign section? Someone’s propensity to stick the teriyaki in the ethnic isle may be rooted in prejudice, but that doesn’t always mean racism.
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I agree with The Cynic. Personally, the thing I care about is how Obama’s (America’s) foreign policy sucks, and at this very moment in time is killing thousands for very dubious reasons. Reasons that even come above race – imagine that!
Ad he is half-white. Just saying.
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“Sure. I don’t see racism *only* as race supremacy, but also as ascribing entire races of people with certain characteristics, based on their common appearance, lineage, or culture” – King
Ascribing what? But I think I know what you’re getting at and blacks do this all the bloody time, so please.
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@ Cynic
I’m not sure that I understand the distinction?
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@ sailorscout1986
“ascribing entire races of people with certain characteristics“
What is it that you are asking? Which characteristics?
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And also, coming from a non-American pov, I think it’s true to say that the first people that comes to most non-Americans minds when they think of an American are indeed white and black people. I think people overseas don’t necessarily see Asians or Latinos as American for some reason. Racist? No. Stupid and out-of-date? Yes.
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@ King – My apologies, I read your sentence wrong. My point still stands though. Being black we know very well that a large proportion of blacks think we’re selling out or just pain weird if we don’t behave in a certain way that they deem as being..well black!
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@ sailorsscout1986
Large or just vocal? It’s funny because I see more complaints ABOUT this act, than the actual act itself. And it’s not like those blacks stop what they’re doing anyways, as most just say “whatever” and become bitter towards said blacks/mentality. The main people that this shaming tactic seems to work on are whites, when they’re called “Anti-White, White Guilt Pushers!”
Which is just a new-age, sanitized, version of “Nigger Lover”. Given the context that it’s always used.
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@ Thy Cynic
That’s actually quite true, but don’t forget that on the flip-side, many Hispanics and Asians view blacks (native or immigrant) as a “stepping stone race”, to gain white acceptance.
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I think we should just let white ppl, and whoever esle, hate Obama. Yes, I know racism has fueled a lot of the ire thrown at the POTUS, but we can’t go around calling EVERYTHING white folks do racism. If Obama was conservative I don’t believe folks on the right would attack him much as they do.
Think of it like this. If Obama was a Repub, do you think he would of won the Black vote? Regardless of the answer to that last question, can we honestly say race had nothing to do with how many blacks voted for him? Would it be ok to assume that most voted solely based on race?This analogy may be hard to understand(I suck @ explaining these things), but all I’m trying to say is that there are several factors involved here. Its complex. Not as easy as saying “birthers are racist.”
White anger in politics usually expresses itself in resistance to social programs for the poor(E.g. welfare queen stereotype) and not personal attacks
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Franklin – when people use the term ‘white acceptance’ I often wonder whether they mean ‘assimilate into predominant (white) society’. Is there something so terribly wrong with trying to assimilate?
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@ The Cynic
No, I’m sure that race had as big an impact as most think, because blacks didn’t vote for black republican Allen Keyes, when HE ran for president.
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I meant:
No, I’m sure that race DIDN’T have as big an impact…etc…etc…”
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To play off the 2nd paragraph of my last comment; I feel as though the “birthers are racist” belief is similar to the “Blacks voted for Obama just bc he was black” belief. Yes, race probably played a role, but those statements are way too simplistic. They don’t take into account all of the factors that come into play in these situations…
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@sailorscout1986
Joining whites, abandoning your cultural ways (which is always manditory), and keeping the racist status quo alive because “Hey! You’ve made it”. You can’t see anything wrong with that? There was a post on here called “The White Club” that goes into this with greater detail.
Heck! The word “assimilation” (which blacks tried to do right after slavery ended, mind you) alone should send off some warning signals.
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Lol it looks like Obama is on a roll with the conspiracy busting this month. Not only was he born in America, but him & Osama Bin Laden actually are 2 diff ppl! 🙂
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@ Cynic
Yeah, it’s gonna be tough for dopey Donald to say, “I’m very proud of myself,” after this coup.
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Franklin – Well i think you’re seeing this in a simplified way, but I’d rather not get into an argument over black americans today.
In other news..Obama caught Osama!!
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@ The Cynic
But that’s impossible! Obama and Osama! They sound so similar that they HAVE to be one in the same. Plus they’re both the same complexion, and they’re both Muslims! It just fits! It just HAS TO! How DARE you smash my version of reality! Now who am I going to demonize? Oh wait…
(*Turns attention back to “Hispanics stealing Amurkka’s” jobs*)
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@ sailorscout1986
No, believe me…I’ve had this discussion many many times. And it always come back to my initial statement. But I agree, I’d rather not get into such a discussion at the moment.
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Icing to the cake
“With all the back and forth between President Obama and Donald Trump in recent weeks, Twitter flared up with amused conspiratorial comments when NBC News cut away from Trump’s The Celebrity Apprentice on the East Coast to carry coverage of the announcement. After the NBC News coverage concluded, the broadcaster switched to local news. The breaking news also slightly delayed Apprentice on the West Coast.”
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@Cynic, we don’t have an ethnic/foreign section in our groceries. the blacks you’re talking about assume there are only a few certain types of ‘American identity & culture’, and anyone else who does not fit one of those stereotypical representations of Americans is not ‘inherently American’. it’s stereotyping based on race, and that’s racism.
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Uh-oh! How many people want to bet that Trump’s going to make a televised appearance, ordering to see Osama’s Death Certificate?
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@anglesanddimensions
Meh… if you wanna call that racism then go right ahead
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Abagond stated:
“Or, when they are for him, notice that he is half White, not TRULY Black.”
Fact: If Obama worked at the local Sears, at some office or was a bus driver, NO WHITE PERSON WOULD CARE IF HE HAD A WHITE PARENT!!! He would simply be the nice BLACK bus driver or the nice BLACK guy that sales washing machines at Sears.
It is true that the only way ALOT of white people can follow him is by constantly stating, “He’s not Black, he’s biracial.” But at the same time no other Black person recieves that type of consideration about their racial makeup.
The “average” BP, no matter how light, is always percieved as Black by the average White person, if they can discern from your features ANY level of Blackness.
If you go on Youtube there’s all of these videos put there by White people to give Black people a “lesson on genetics” so Black people will come to understand that Obama IS NOT THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT, but the first BIRACIAL PRESIDENT.
I’m always amazed, because you can tell Obama’s white parent LEGITIMIZES his leadership for a certain segment of White people that follow him and accept his leadership, and they constantly feel it’s their duty to remind Blacks that, “OBAMA IS NOT BLACK!!!”
For ALL the “OTHER Black people” in the world who have INSISTED upon this same point for generations have found their cries have fallen on deaf ears. Well, THEY should have run for president!
Jada
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“losing battle with the English language”
LMAO. You are something else Abagond. I take it you read Chuck Ross’ blog on your previous post. Doesn’t it make you ill how the nay-sayers will bring up all manner of obscure facts to ignore your charge? I mean, can we really compare Chester Aurther’s situation to that of Obama?
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@jada
“Fact: If Obama worked at the local Sears, at some office or was a bus driver, NO WHITE PERSON WOULD CARE IF HE HAD A WHITE PARENT!!! He would simply be the nice BLACK bus driver or the nice BLACK guy that sales washing machines at Sears.”
This is too damn true. I personally see Obama as a non-blk individual of Afro-descent, but I agree that a lot of racist just HAVE to make a big deal of his white mother in order to legitimize his presidency.
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I feel racism was a major factor in the Tea Party and resistance to the Healthcare bill. I can’t deny the fact that racism often rears its ugly head in the realm of politics. This racist driven politics is often directed towards Blacks (sometimes Hispanics & Muslims), but nv other groups (Asians, Jews) in the US. Whether this racially motivated politics hurts these groups or not can be debated…
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hmmm… well how come nobody, has ask ‘ASIANS & LATINOS’ why they leave there homland. to come to america?
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the scary part isn’t that birthers exist, it’s how mainstream they are.
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Abagond:
The birther issue was created by Hillary supporters during the 2008 presidential campaign, not by republicans. After Hillary lost the nomination to Obama, the issue of his original birth certificate was picked-up by hardcore conservatives and independents who saw it as a legitimate and worthy issue to speak on. Obama’s father hails from Kenya, but he was born in Hawaii, and raised in Indonesia, which created a lot of curiousity. The issue should have died back in 2008 after he became president, but it didn’t. As a conservative, I’m not gonna make excuses for the bulls**t, because that’s what it is, Bulls**t! Instead of focusing on Obama’s far-left policies and members of his cabinet who support dumb-ass ideas, they wasted time chasing a birth certificate. Real Talk! A lot of whites in this country voted for Obama despite his radical leftist ideology because they assumed that voting for a black president would shut black people up for good as it relates to race and racism. Obama was the perfect candidate for white america…Biracial…White Mother…Ivy-League Educated…Well-Spoken, etc. In the eyes of whites, he was “The Colorblind Messiah” that they’ve been wishing for. Obama’s nomination is a life-lesson for whites that they’ll never forget. Choosing mixed-race over real black backfired on them. Choosing the smooth-talker over substance backfired on them. Choosing the hollywood backed candidate over boring backfired on them. Obama’s presidency is an example of white people allowing their arrogance and stupidity to get the best of them. But, we as black people have egg on our faces as well. Obama ignores issues that are important to black folk, such as school-choice, crime & violence, illegal-immigration, penal reform, abortion, tax reform, etc. He doesn’t focus on the bloodshed in Sudan, Congo, Nigeria, Somolia, and other african nations that are dealing with radical islamic elements within said countries and tribal-war as well, but he can focus on Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, and Syria…Bulls**t! The only trip I remember him taking to sub-saharan africa was to Ghana. Abagond, the birther issue is just one of many issues that have pissed-off a lot of people in this country, as it relates to Obama. I’m glad the issue is over and done with, so, we can focus on the real problem, which is his far-left ideology and policies!!!
Tyrone,
Political Power…Economic Power…Cultural Power…Sexual Power
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Abagond:
As black people, we can’t get distracted with the bulls**t. I view the birther issue as trivial and a waste of time. Self-hating black males in the hood running around killing black people is a major concern to me, not a piece of paper. Blackmen transmitting HIV/AIDS to countless numbers of blackwomen in the US, Africa, and other parts of the world concern me, not a piece of paper. Abagond, what is Obama doing to help black folk on this planet? We can’t afford 4 more years of liberal bs, Can’t afford it!!!
Tyrone,
Political Junkie
I’m Out Abagond
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Tyrone,
Sometimes I have a hard time believe you’re a real person.
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I am sorry, but birtherism is just another form of racism. All you have to do is be black in America to know it to be true, in fact, all you have to do is be non-white in America to recognize it. I see it everytime I do something good:
I see it in how they try to play down my achievements by trying to say it wasn’t “deserved” or legitimate. I saw it in those little backhanded “compliments” on how I got to school.
I see it in how hard they try to figure out and point out what my racial background is when they realize they can’t pretend I’m not competent. More more competent I was, the less black I was to them.
I see it in how they assume I am a liar or have some ulterior motive behind everything I do. I saw it in how I was accused of cheating when I got A’s like every other kid in my class did (who happened to be white).
I see it in how I can’t seem to win. No matter what I do, my achievements can’t truly be recognized for what they are, I have to be second, or have to tie, or have to have cheated.
If I give into them, I am seen as just trying to make a “distraction”, if I don’t I am seen as “hiding something”.
And in the end, its that same sick feeling I get when I see these freaks at the borders. Its the idea that they will never accept me as an equal, they would rather pull this country into an abyss than let a non-white person do their job. We’re there to be scapegoats for their failures, never to be leaders on our own right. Any time I succeed, they will always see it as some imbalance or slight against themselves. It messes with their idea of how things should be, and it directly contradicts with their “superiority” to have to admit that this president is not a liar, and that he is competent. They actually have to WORK to be on top, they can’t use their networks and their whiteness to get those jobs, or those offices anymore, and it bothers them. They can’t assume that due to their skin color, they will be considered the first priority in this country, and it is scary. They want to take this country back: Back to a state where people like me, or Obama, could never be president.
This isn’t White America, anymore, it is America. These things have never fit together, and we’ve all made the mistake of assuming they were one in the same. They need to learn how to separate the former from the latter.
And they won’t as long as we refuse to call birtherism out on what it is: Racism.
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@Tyrone – i agree with you on a lot of your point. except i don’t think obama should focus more on the plight of africans abroad more than american blacks. he’s the president of america, not blacks. america would do better to concentrate on diminishing debt, improving education and infrastructure, and decreasing spending on the military. africa no one can save africa from itself.
and to those who say that if obama was just a normal person then he would be called ‘black’ by whites, then yes that is true. but if you’re of mixed heritage and it matters to you so much to be addressed as a person of mixed heritage, then just correct people when they call you black. simples.
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Even AFTER the release of the long form 23% of whites STILL think Obama was not born in America (down from 31% in February). For Republicans that is 32% (down from 47%). For Americans as a whole, it is 20% (down from 27%). Unfortunately, this is more than just a few nut cases that you can laugh off.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/03/972626/-Daily-Kos-State-of-the-Nation-Poll:-Birthers-wane,-but-GOP-still-in-fantasy%C2%A0land
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@Abagond
The logic astounds me. They would just rather see him as un-American, to the point where they’ve collectively become paranoid and delusional.
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I don’t think there is no logic behind this. These people simply don’t want a black man to be President. Emotion outweighs logic in this situation.
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I wonder where all the so-called birthers and birther-lovers are now? Heads bowed in shame (secretly, of course) at causing such a superficial distraction when as President Obama stated, there are much more pressing issues to debate. Where are they now? Flooding the victims of the 200 plus tornadoes in Alabama with support, perhaps assisting them in getting proper documentation to submit to FEMA. Where are they now? What distractions are they concocting now in the aftemath of their epic failure? Like my Black, southern, one and a half generation removed from slavery grandmother would say “we got bigger fish to fry!”
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[…] here, expect national politics to be missing from the upcoming posts. Much of it is an exercise in futility […]
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What I want to know is…
What are those birthers going to do now that the so called “Un-American” president got Osama? One of their arguments was that he was too lenient on Muslims in general, so how are they going to deal with this? I’m honestly curious about what their agenda is going to be now? They’ve been awful quiet in my neck of the woods down in “progressive” (yeah right) Arizona.
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“Choosing mixed-race over real black backfired on them. ”
So… you seem to think that blackness has some sort of substance outside of the context of racism. That it’s a real thing of value. a concrete thing as opposed to a social construct. Hence your assertion that people of mixed race aren’t “really black”
I would assert that anyone who is directly affected by anti-black racism is black because racism is the only reason blackness or whiteness means anything in the first place.
The only difference between you and a white HBD’R is that you like BP and they don’t. Everything else about your ideology is the same because you believe race is a biological reality. Ironic no?
Also, if race is a biological reality than racism is justified really. I mean if you feel that being pure black is so awesome than wouldn’t whites have a right to feel the same about white purity? Segregation would be perfectly reasonable following your logic.
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@ Jason
Exactly. It’s the pot calling the kettle non-Black
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@ King
Yeah, It’s funny/tragic/very common for people to become exactly the thing that they rail against in others. I guess that’s proof that we’re really all the same.
It’s just like hating your own reflection really.
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@ King & Jason
Co-sign.
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There are a lot bigger problems to worry about than Obama’s birth place. For example, the failing American dollar, the 14 trillion (and growing) dollar debt, western government lies and
so on.
Whether the birthers are racist or not also does not change the fact that Obama, along with the vast majority of other politicians, should not be trusted. Most are ideologues and don’t really care about the greater population. How many times has Bin Laden been killed now? Like 9?
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Abagond,
I have a half serious thought provoking question for you
Do you think Pro Wrestling is real
I don’t know how old you are but I get the impression we are about the same age I’m 37
I’m not sure if it was wrestle mania 1 or 2 .I haven’t researched -just going purely from memory, also not sure if you are or were a fan -I really havent been since the rock left. But do you remember how much Hulk Hogan “hated” roddy piper, and Hulk teamed up with Mr. T against Piper and Paul Orndorf. I think piper might have even called T a nig—-
Those guys were all good buddys behind the facade of the stage. and the rest of the good vs bad was all a show. now most of the audience rooted for the good some rooted for the bad(ie most average white people voted for obama) (ie George W and Bill Clinton are really the best of friends) (ie Donald Trump problably was a huge benefactor of the 700 billion dollar stimulus that obama signed right after office, being a goldman sacs and other share holder) see where am going.
Do you think most of America really sees Trump , or Sarah Palin or even Old McCain and a serious opponent to obama.
They are all the wrestling bad guys laughing at the audience for really taking this seriously. while they all go out for a beer after the show.
Obama will win easily again, especially after this bin laden thing.
And you are doing what they want you to do preaching hate for the average working class white man
you need to wake up.
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its a good song
its funny
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Dave:
I never took much interest in pro-wrestling because I assumed the whole thing was in fact fake.
Trump is widely regarded as a buffoon. He does not have a chance. He leads in the polls only because of name recognition.
Most people do not see Sarah Palin as presidential material. It is part of why McCain lost. Her resigning as governor makes her even less serious.
The rich in America do use race (and religion) to divide the working and middle-class, making enough of them vote against their class interests. It is part of why there is no proper left wing in America.
I am not preaching hate. I am seeking to cut through all the racist lies. That in itself does not make me racist but anti-racist. It does tend to make white people look bad but that is because they hold those lies close to their hearts and clothe themselves in them.
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dave,
I am a wrestling fan (Rock and Eddie Guerrero were my overall favorites). Yes, the spectacle of politics serves to keep the rich elite in power. However, do not think that those who talk about the “common” man really care about you. That was shown in the past 8 years. The difference between wrestling and politics is that wrestling requires skill and talent; you have to get people to suspend their disbelief. Politics just requires you to be a great liar.
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The only thing wrestling and politics have in common is that you have to put on a show. The best show you can give will make people love you or love to hate you depending on the individual.
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I know the solution to politicis:
VOTE INDEPENDENT!!!
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@serpentus
Mmmm. Probably not.
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Why are we having this type of discussion in 2011
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Yes the birthers are racist. ALOT of Whites feel that only Whites are true citizens of America because they are the majority and rule the country.
Yes, President Obama is a USA citizen and he was born in Hawaii.
NOT ALL Whites are racist or think like that but a lot do.
@Dave
I have nothing against Whites but Whites aren’t perfect. I hate it when people feel White is right and perfect when it is not. Whites are just like any other race of people.
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